Timcast IRL - Timcast IRL #819 Democrats Seek To STOP RFK Following Hit Piece w/ Libby Emmons

Episode Date: July 18, 2023

SHIMCAST! Seamus, Ian, Hannah Claire, & Serge join Libby Emmons to discuss the media calling RFK Jr. racist for his comments on COVID, Planned Parenthood exposed promising to hide child transgender care from parents, Obama slamming republicans for banning books, & the Pentagon accidentally leaking millions of emails to Mali, an ally of Russia. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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so as easily yes we just want him to be around people who can help him and take care of him. Yeah. What, so it's like a farm where people take... He's on a farm with other farmers? No, he's on a farm with other journalists, and they're all running around and having a fun time wearing their beards. Are they writing articles? Yeah, absolutely.

If they feel like they can. Yeah, if they want to, they can. But I think they're having so much fun skateboarding, they don't need to. Oh. Yeah. And sometimes when you go to a fun farm... It might be a while before he's back. Yeah, he may want to want to, they can. But I think they're having so much fun skateboarding, they don't need to. And sometimes, when you go to a fun farm, he may want to stay there for a minute. What, longer than a week?

You know, we just don't want to... We don't want to promise anything right now, buddy. Nah, what kind of farm? We'll probably get into it in a bit, but he's okay. He's having fun. We just don't want you to worry. We don't want you to worry. Well, thanks. Now I'm worried. Of course, we'll don't. you to worry. Well, thanks. Now I'm worried. Of course.

Well, don't. Ladies and gentlemen, tonight's stories. The Democrats are denouncing RFK after the New York Post has accused him of anti-Semitism. Gays Against Groomers did a sting operation on Planned Parenthood and the Community Healthcare Network. It's a very interesting story we're going to get into in a bit obama slams concerned parents who want to ban pornographic material from schools regurgitating the same banal this is book banning rhetoric we've been hearing from everyone on the left a pro-pedophile group slams the sound of freedom unsurprisingly that in many other stories coming up tonight but first i'd like to ask every single one of you to smash that like button i want you to smash that like button so hard that our buddy

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I'm doing good, Seamus. Thanks. Glad to be here. Yeah. Happy to have you. Happy to have you. We are also joined by the one and only Hannah Clare. Hi, I'm Hannah Clare Brimlow. I'm a writer for TimCast.com. I'm excited to be here with Libby from Postmillennial. I think everyone knows that you're Postmillennial's lady. Postmillennial Human Events. Very excited to be here with Libby from Postmillennial. I think everyone knows that you're Postmillennial's lady. Yeah, Postmillennial, Human Events. Very excited to be here. And I'm glad that my fellow Colorado traveler is back. I was just there.

I was in Colorado Springs. What's up, Tim? Saw you at the airport. What's happening, homie? I'm hearing vibration through my headset, but you guys said you're not. So if everyone in the audience is not, cool. Otherwise, I'm going to move seats. Yo, I just started my workout today.

So I was in colorado to do this music video uh i'm shot the well i don't want to i don't want to spoil it but basically i'm doing a body transformation for the for the music video and uh i was a hit the gym hard and i'm doing protein i've got to eat 2 800 calories a day now oh my goodness like a thousand calories i was eating like a thousand thousand i had like an eight percent body fat bird yeah what's wrong what's going on i just sit i mean i'm just sitting slim silence you know so this is new for me i've been chugging protein shakes and eating chicken for the for most of the day but man it feels good once you get past that that 20 minutes after that burn of your bicep it's just

like you know you get back to back to basics and then you let the let the calories do the rest i suppose i'm glad to hear it gets shredded man man. I'm excited for the music video. Thank you. And I also have to my right, the man, the myth, the legend. Serge, pushing the buttons. Yes, indeed. Trying to get this working right. Thanks, dude.

I'm Serge.com. Hope you guys are well. All right. So tonight's first story, RFK has been slammed, is anti-Semitic for a claim he made that there's a conversation that needs to be had surrounding some allegations that covid is more likely to infect or is more likely to result in mortality among certain ethnic groups so we can watch this video right now and then we'll talk about what some of the people in the press are saying about him who actually do you think youtube might get

mad at us if we play this whole thing why they're censoring no i don't think so yeah all right we'll play it you hear that no i'm not getting any audio all right well it's not coming for the audio while we get that working um we're just gonna we can talk about it yeah we're just gonna explain this so basically rfk said as i mentioned and he wasn't even saying that he necessarily believed that this was the case but he's saying that there needs to be a conversation surrounding the fact that, according to him, certain studies are showing that COVID does seem to disproportionately affect certain people. And he was claiming that the effect that it's having on people is based on genetic factors that are linked to ethnic or racial background. Now, I find it very interesting that the left is losing their minds about this because they were actually saying very similar things about COVID during the pandemic.

Yes, this was early on. The CDC was saying that COVID had a greater impact on black and brown communities, right? They were saying this specifically. They were saying, too, that if you were not taking COVID precautions, you were not only killing grandmas, but you were racist because you weren't paying enough attention. and i think it's interesting because they also made this a justification for allowing people of color to take the vaccine first so this was a right there were a whole lot of affirmative action style policies surrounding covid the implementation of treatment all of these things and now you're not allowed to say that well exactly i mean they were constantly claiming that the african-american community in particular the black community is being disproportionately affected by coven because of this we needed to be sure that they got the vaccines first and so rfk he's saying

something a bit different because he is outwardly making the claim that this is based on genetic predisposition and not necessarily cultural factors but i don't even know if he's making that claim or he's just saying that is a claim we have to investigate exactly but what happens when we listen to this and if you listen to him talking, he starts it off with saying there's an argument that, and then he starts talking that this does this, and this does this. And if you take it out of context,

it sounds like he's saying this does this, and this does this. But he preempts it with there's an argument that there are like genetic bioweapons, basically. And there's even a Newsweek. Yes. Yeah. In fact, there's Newsweek.

So maybe we can pull up the Pentagon making race-specific bioweapons to target citizens. China says, according to Newsweek, yes yeah there in fact this news week so maybe we can pull up the pentagon making uh race specific bioweapons to target citizens china says according to newsweek china's making the claim that the pentagon is doing race specific bioweapons uh and this is as this is as recent as may may 11th of 2023 yeah well and when i saw the so uh rfk put up this long thread on twitter saying the new york post is taking me out of context. They are mis misrepresenting what I've said. Here is a specific link to a study.

Here is what I meant by this. And he ultimately demanded that they issue an apology because he feels like, you know, if they did, did they? The story is still up and I haven't seen any apology. No correction at all. No correction as far as I could see, or at least acknowledge correction. And again, some of this is maybe they are making an editorial decision i'm sure you can speak to this uh well our reporter took this quote and uh well what's interesting too is if you look at the headline and you look at the story they don't really match no they don't so it seems like i know john levine wrote the story

i wonder if john levine wrote the headline or if someone else wrote that headline. I know you guys are in a newsroom, right? Like, we have people doing graphics. We have people doing headlines. We have people writing stories. And the graphic, the headline, and the story

could all come from completely different people on the, you know, on the same team. And it's all sort of blurbs. You're saying, like, oh, this is what it's about. I think it's interesting to me.

My first instinct when I see these kinds of conflicts is to say, like, wow, RFK really has them on the ropes. They do not like this. I mean, this is them really starting to launch into the Trump treatment of RFK. So for a while they were saying he's a quack. He's spreading misinformation. He's a huckster. He's trying to sell snake oil and fool people about the medical science for his own personal gain.

The typical kind of stuff you hear about anyone who gets labeled a conspiracy theorist by the establishment. But now they're actually moving into this guy's racist territory, right? They're openly referring to him as an anti-Semite simply because he said he wanted to have a discussion about the degree to which COVID seems to have affected different populations. Now, of course, the left was very comfortable having the conversation about the effects COVID had on different populations. Again, in 2020, in 2021, when they claimed it was disproportionately affecting the African American community, the black community. If there's anyone who can recognize anti-Semitism, it should be the people on the Democrat side,

because they are really anti-Semitic in a lot of cases. Pramila Jayapal came out the other day and was saying that Israel is a racist state. You have Ilhan Omar, who is decidedly anti-Semitic. You know, it seems to be in a lot of cases what the Democrats accuse other people of doing is the thing that they are doing themselves. All the time. Well, all the time. And there's another element to this, which is really important that I want to flag. They're using this term bioweapon, right? They're saying he's a conspiracy theorist. He's saying COVID is a bioweapon. And this is a term that people will generally associate with conspiracy theory. And because it's so bombastic, it sounds frightening.

But according to Sir Francis Boyle, the American author of the American implementing legislation of the International Bioweapons Convention, anything created through gain of function research is a bioweapon. This is the legal definition. of the International Bioweapons Convention, anything created through gain-of-function research is a bioweapon. This is the legal definition. So if it's created through gain-of-function research, which many of these institutions are now acknowledging given that they're saying lab leak hypothesis

is more than likely, then it is a bioweapon. That's not a controversial claim. That's literally what the law says. That's literally what the man who wrote the law has said about it. And what the left has done is, guess what? labeled him a conspiracy theorist, even though he's literally the person who is responsible for implementing that legislation and writing around it. And

they're saying he's a lawyer, not an epidemiologist. How can he be saying it's a biological weapon? Well, because whether something's a biological weapon is not a question of epidemiology, it's a question of law. And he literally wrote the thing. This is something that's bothering me right now so i'm looking at the new york times article titled robert f kennedy jr airs bigoted new covid conspiracy theory about jews and chinese is that the article in question i haven't read the article yet no it's a new york post article a new york post okay all these it looks like these other other outlets are picking up the the claim it's like a game of telephone and to be fair you could see it all over twitter too everyone starts coming out saying that rfk is racist and anti-semitic and hateful and all of these kinds of things it really it really was this classic snowball effect where you have um you know

one headline drove everything a lot of the people who are talking about this story i wonder if they even read the article or watched the interview or just ran with the headline. I'm looking at The Guardian now. White House condemned. The White House is now chiming in on it. So it's not just news organizations. Sister condemned this statement. But this is the thing that's interesting about RFK's role in his own family. From the get go, he was the media's favorite new conspiracy theorist. Right. The day that he announced that was one of the first things that came out. He questions vaccines's a conspiracy theorist and you know regardless of the fact that you don't necessarily have to take medical advice from a politician i understand that uh it is interesting that this was the brand they were going to use to uh to hurt his campaign from the beginning and now they're

just sort of going back and trying to find more evidence of this and that's why i think it's an important conversation to have uh was this quote accurately represented in the article? Is he referring to a study? Is he himself promoting false information? Because if you don't know that, it's easy to then to assume he is, in fact, this deranged person. Also, how quickly we forget everything. We forget the beginning of COVID.

We forget all of these conspiracy theories that, as they were called, about the lab leak and everything else that have proven out. Do you know what I mean? me as RFK having his Jewish space lasers moment. So for those who don't know, Marjorie Taylor Green is constantly slandered as having said there are these Jewish space lasers. It's total nonsense. Before she was ever elected to office, she made a very long Facebook post where she was saying things, which by the way, I'm not defending, I don't agree with, but she was basically saying that she thought that forest fires were started by, or potentially started she basically floated the question they may have been started by a satellite which was funded by organizations that people claim it is anti-semitic to criticize she never it's basically the equivalent of saying oh if you say something negative about george soros you're an anti-semitic conspiracy theorist marjorie

taylor green never ever ever said the jewish space lasers thing it's complete nonsense even left-wing fact checkers have said that that's not exactly true. They've given it a mixed factuality rating, which is ridiculous because it is totally false. But when you read their rationale, they say, well, no, she never said there were Jewish space lasers. She just said that this space satellite that was funded by groups that anti-Semites don't like might have started the fire. So I guess my point is this is another example of the media and the left wing establishment seeing somebody as a threat and wanting to take everything they're saying totally out of context. And I got to be honest, I've mentioned that I think RFK has

problems. There's a lot I don't agree with him on. Obviously, I'm a conservative, so I'm not going to agree with them on quite a lot. But felt similarly about trump i'm not saying i'll ever support rfk i could never support a pro-choice candidate but i remember when trump first came out of the scene i remember thinking i'm not a huge fan of this guy and then i saw who his enemies were and what they were saying about him and how they were smearing him and i began to warm up to him so the media is playing a very dangerous game if their goal is to get people to hate rfk because the american people know at this point that if you're an enemy of a press the press you're a friend of the people yeah i think that's so true well and if you're an enemy of the democrats you're probably a friend of the people

too i've got the feeling that like these organizations somebody maybe somewhere actually saw it out of context and was like he said these things and then they printed it and then whether or not they believed they were going to get them out of context and make stuff maybe they're making stuff up maliciously. Maybe they actually thought it. But I think that then the White House and the people in the O'Biden camp. I think we should call it the O'Biden camp. That makes a lot of sense.

Let's go with it. He's our biggest threat. He's obviously going to win the presidency if he's not slandered and stopped. And he's the biggest threat to the medical, pharmaceutical. Do you think he has a chance of winning the presidency? Well, Michelle Obama apparently is going to run. no what about gavin newsom he seems to be probably michelle's vp probably i think so i think if michelle runs newsom won't stand a chance does michelle obama have any more qualifications than hillary clinton did i think she has less i think she actually has less she wasn't even secretary of state yeah yeah i think she has

less i think part of her whole qualification right is being first lady she's really cool really personable from knowing obama there are a lot of compared to hillary isn't she isn't she like anti-fat people though remember her whole oh get out and move yeah healthy people i think it's the way that's i think that sorry no it's okay i think it's interesting because you're right there are lots of cool nice things people in the world that doesn't mean they all should be president but with rK, I think the biggest threat is not necessarily that he would win as a Democrat. It's that he would run as a third party and siphon votes away.

I mean, a la Ross Perot, right? I'd love to see it. I would love to see it. I read some headline that Joe Manchin is exploring a third party campaign. I don't know if that's true at all. But that is actually the biggest problem for Democrats right now

because their own base is not really sure what to make of them right yep a third party candidate in our system is actually dangerous not because they could win the White House but because they could take away from the base of one of these two parties exactly and so I would actually argue in many ways the left-wing press is more afraid of RFK than they are of Trump just in the sense that we know they kind of wanted to prop Trump up at least some of them did for their quote unquote Pied Piper strategy. We learned this from the email leaks we got from the Clinton campaign. The truth is that they think that they can beat Trump.

I'm not saying that's true, but they believe they can. They have no idea what to do with RFK. They really are afraid. And they're also afraid of him changing the status quo of the Democratic Party. One of Trump's accomplishments, one of the things you absolutely cannot take away from him is he pushed all the neocons and the war hawks out of the republican party or at least the majority of them he didn't really a lot of them well you know i mean he pushed saying that we need to have more funding for ukraine yes some of them are but like he pushed liz cheney out he definitely

changed the status quo he made it clear that there was a massive base of republican voters who were not going to go for that crap. The entire Republican establishment or the vast majority of Republican politicians who are popular are speaking out against intervening in Ukraine. So a lot has changed in the Republican Party with respect to the messaging on warfare because of Trump. Isn't it really just the Freedom Caucus people? Well, I think they're afraid that RFK is basically going to do something similar to the Democratic Party, where he's going to make it a more hostile environment for people who support those kinds of policies is rfk a populist um i don't know if i'd go that far but i think there is something to be said for him being a little bit more in that direction than anyone else in the democratic party how would you define

is he on the level of trump i don't know uh but yeah it's an interesting question how do you define populist isn't a populist someone who listens to the people as opposed to trying to do top down strategy and top down policy approaches, someone who wants to do what the people want to do? Well, you know, every political leader claims that. But I would argue that populism is probably more of a strategy than anything else. It's trying to appeal to people. It's pointing to the elite and saying these people who have pretended to care about you are actually only out for themselves or they're incompetent and they're not actually going to be able to save you. And so you need to select somebody like me who is a man of the people who will fight for you. Basically, I can't tell with Robert F.

Kennedy if he's a populist or not, because he's in with all those people. Like maybe not all those people. I don't have ideas with Biden and Obama, but he's a Kennedy. So he was raised in that world and he knows all those people. I wonder if he'd release finally the redacted report on the Kennedy assassination. You know how Trump didn't release it? Biden, Clinton, whatever his name is. Biden didn't release it.

Would RFK release it? Yeah, it's an interesting question. In in the jfk you know conspiracy theory is actually probably the most popular one that we have any polling data on at 1.90 of the american public believe some kind of conspiracy was at play in fact the united states house select committee on assassinations which was formed in the 1970s 1976 i believe ended up saying that there was some kind of conspiracy they didn't say it was the cia or the russians or anything like that but it's interesting because in contrast to the warren report which is the government document that says there was no conspiracy we actually have another

document produced by the united states government which says there was some kind of conspiracy even though they don't name names even though they don't say this is who we think did it they do say there was probably something at play that people it's so funny to officially say there was no conspiracy because like how do you know you can't know everything we reviewed ourselves and we say we did everything yeah don't ask any more questions well one thing that i think rfk really did effectively here is he pushed back against the media and he actually demanded an apology so that's the kind of energy that we yeah i think that was positive and that's the kind of energy that we see. Yeah, I think that was positive. And that's the energy we need to see from more candidates. So I appreciate that.

And I think that more Democrats who are positioning themselves against the establishment, or maybe to put it this way, who the establishment is positioning itself against, need to take that attitude. Don't bend the knee to these people. Obviously, I'm on the right. Obviously, I'm going to vote Republican. But whenever an anti-establishment candidate rises up in a party and ends up pushing them away from the kind of big government welfare,

warfare, state status quo, I'm happy about that. Interesting. I find that I want to hear a Democrat criticize RFK without conspiracy theorists in their world. Like what specifically are you mad at him about? Use a policy. But that what specifically are you mad at him about use a policy but that is what they're mad at that's all they have though that's what i find so fascinating they aren't able to use any evidence they're not able to attack his platform they just have to go for these like very uh racially charged you know uh very emotional appeals to fear that's their whole yeah that's their whole playbook right right? They set somebody up. They say that they're a problem with their racial views or what have you.

And that's what they do. And that's how they take people down. You can even see that with their attacks on Ron DeSantis, right? You have Joy Reid coming out and all of these others saying that Ron DeSantis is more dangerous than Trump, that he's more racist, more LGBT, anti, or or whatever than Trump, all of this kind of stuff. So whoever it is that is a threat to the establishment power is going to be attacked with the exact same insults and the exact same smears. And what I think is really fascinating, I keep looking. So I grew up relatively liberal, right, in Massachusetts, Catholic. So I was pro-life but used to be able to be pro-life and liberal and pro-labor and pro-life and liberal. That was like an acceptable position.

There is still a collection of pro-life Democrats. They just are like, why did you leave us behind? What happened? What happened? But so when you, there were all of these things like question authority, right? Speak truth to power. All of these very standard things that Democrats and leftists would say. And now they refuse to realize that they are the establishment.

They are the ones in power. These are the views that are, you know, taking charge, that are shaping the country. And they still act like they are oppressed you have joe biden going out there like saying basically that the lgbt community is oppressed but their flag was at the white house bigger than the the american flags you know he goes out and speaks more about transitioning kids than he does about what people actually need in this country. Absolutely. And speaking of transitioning kids, Gays Against Groomers recently did a sting operation where they had somebody pretending to be a 14-year-old girl

claiming to be trans called Planned Parenthood, who then referred her to a community health care network for help, and they proceeded to tell her that they would give her information on obtaining certain treatments. Despite her being underage, she said, I don't want my parents to find out about this.

We will play some... Do you guys remember being 14? Yeah, vaguely. You didn't want your parents to find out about anything that you thought about anything. Please knock. Yes. You better knock, or you might see me fill in oh boy and they started knocking we have um we have this this moment here uh from uh again the the footage that

gays against groomers has posted to twitter where the uh person impersonating a 14 year old tells the uh people at uh the the organization that Planned Parenthood referred her to that she has a minor that she doesn't want her parents to find out and this is what they say okay just give me one moment finding anything hold on and you're sure my mom won't find out yeah no cold cindy is when um we have to put labels on your chart. So as soon as I make this chart, it's going to be contact by phone only. And then it's just going to be the number you give me. I'm going to put no mail for your address and then that's it. If anyone ever calls for you, we can't disclose any information if it's not you.

Okay. I mean... Because I'm underage. Yeah, understood. if it's not you. Okay. You know, it's you. I mean... Because I'm underage. Yeah, understood. But we help underage patients receive care that they need and want

as long as, you know, it's not harmful to oneself. We try to help you out the best we can. Okay. I'm so nervous. My palms are sweating. I got you.

Right now... But the only thing is, right now, I'm already at the end of August looking and I'm not getting any appointment. All right. So you guys get the picture here. Basically, this person's underage. They're saying they don't want their parents to know about the treatment that they're seeking out. And this person is saying, don't worry, we won't tell them. It's a code, Cindy. Now, I want to point something out because I'm sure a lot of apologists for Planned Parenthood are going to make the claim that this wasn't planned parenthood saying that she should do this they were just referring her

which is kind of an interesting point because planned parenthood has claimed for decades that they perform mammograms and give women mammograms when they actually don't have a single mammogram on site at any of their clinics they just refer women do clinics where they can get them but of course we know they're going to embrace that double standard and say no we weren't actually providing any of this care we were just telling this person where we could get or where they could get it that said maybe they bite the bullet and they say this is affirming care they absolutely needed it it's abusive and horrible not to give it to them i also wonder if this organization that she was referred to is going to say, oh, well, when we said we wanted to give her medical care, we're just talking about like medical care that's necessary for her life,

which is a dodge that they usually use in order to not acknowledge that they're giving these children hormones that stunt their development to groom them on a path towards mutilation. Yeah. I mean, the Planned Parenthood at the beginning of recording refers this person who's obviously an adult posing as a 14-year-old to the community health care network. The community health care network, when this person asks, like, I need help, he's like, what do you want specifically? Like, I just want help. I want, you know, help.

And the operator specifically brings up hormone therapy uh so they are all aware of what a minor who identifies as transgender may possibly be seeking out or they're aware of what specifically to offer they do mention mental health care as one of the services they provide they also mention uh medical intervention in the form of hormones and i find it interesting that uh we would have anyone trying to deny this right like why when you have this kind of recording wouldn't you just double down on like well we're supposed to be doing this like this is where this kind of logic falls apart well that that's what happens right first they say we're not doing it then they say we are doing it and it's good yep A similar thing happened when Libs of TikTok called,

I forget what the name of the hospital was, but it was a children's hospital. This was last summer in Washington, D.C. Boston was the first thing. And that whole thing was very interesting because Postmillennial did some reporting about what was going on at Boston Children's Hospital. We had the intake forms.

We had the forms that said vaginoplasty would be performed on young men at the age of 17. We had these on the actual documentation from Boston Children's Hospital. The one for young women to have phalloplasties, right, was at 18. However, you could get it at 18 which means that there was prep prior to that probably exactly before you could consent you could right and so

what was interesting about that was lips of tiktok posted that boston children's hospital was doing hysterectomies on minors and that's what everyone got slammed for was that she was saying that we don't have evidence that they weren't necessarily doing that. We only have their word, but they also scrubbed their site. Anyway, so after that, Libs of TikTok, Haya, she called the Washington Children's Hospital. She posed very, very obviously and transparently, actually, if i remember correctly um as a mom seeking to get you know sex change for her underage child and she had a similar experience she ended up reaching essentially the phone answering person who said yes we do that right who said like yes we can

take care of that we could do i believe it was a double mastectomy kind of stuff like that um and now we have another situation like that uh and again this will come out where they're going to say that this is a good thing to do because i think so because gender drugs are life-saving and it's a manipulation of language we had a mom actually pose this was like a year or so ago, getting involved with the Trevor Project, posing as a 15-year-old with gender dysphoria. And the same thing happened. The mom was posing as this 15-year-old girl. The mom was referred to all of these services to get more gender medical services. And when she tried to, at another instance, when she tried to get information on detransitioning,

the Trevor Project was decidedly unhelpful and said things like, are you sure that you want to detransition? This sounds like internalized transphobia. Yep, that's exactly right. So a person can't be like groomed into becoming trans. There's no social contagion there, even though even WPATH admits there is.

But when somebody detransitions, that's because the people around them have manipulated them psychologically. They've been groomed into not wanting to be trans, basically. I think it's interesting with this call too. One of the first things I noticed that it, to me, it did not sound like a 14-year-old. Like there's a moment.

It sounded like a South Park character. Right. When have you ever heard a 14-year year old talk about how their palms are sweaty? She was like, I'm under age. Like you don't say that when you're 14. Well, my neighbor was like,

can you spell your email? And this person goes like, M as in Mary, dot, dot, dot, dot. Like if you're 14,

you're not doing that because you've never had to deal with that many calls. You just keep saying M waiting for somebody to understand what you're saying. I think what I noticed about that call is that the guy on the other end of the line was like as long as it's not harmful to the person and there's this i guess the divergence of the entire global conversation on this is is are the chemicals harmful for 14 year olds or younger or whatever or are they not and i think that's part of the problem is that the information is not clearly presented like the risks are not included and this is true for a lot of prescription medication in the U.S. But I had someone in my personal life recently tell me,

oh, well, top surgery and mastectomies are not the same thing. And I'd be like, what are you talking about? That's exactly the same thing. What do you think they're doing? And they're like, no, no, no, mastectomy is different. And I was like, what do you think is happening in top surgery? So what did they say? They couldn't explain it.

They said you leave part of the breast. No, you don't. I don't. I mean, you end up. Sometimes it gets botched and you have weird flaps and things like I've seen this. Yeah. There's different kinds of ways to perform this surgery. There's that gender surgeon in Miami who does it.

Yep. And yeeting the. Yeah. Yeah. She loves to laugh about the fact that she's mutilating yeah actually had a tiktok video about how she was only yeeting four teats during so she was sad about it one week poses with these minors but um that doctor has had a number of complications from patients because of the type the way that she does it where there's, what is it, no drainage. And so people end up, young women have ended up with rotting flesh in their bodies

and had to go to hospitals. And hospitals are like, you're going to die. Your flesh is rotting. I think that's the problem. I understand that there is an argument for you have to be conscious of someone's emotional state and we're trying to be compassionate and open-minded and whatever else. And I understand that that's where certain positions on these issues come from. But I think ultimately, if you just go back and say like, well, what are the consequences of taking high doses of estrogen, of testosterone, of removing tissue that's naturally occurring in your body, of disrupting the parts of your body that regulate your hormones?

Like there is no way that there are not costs and consequences. And I think we can all agree in this room that under the age of 18, you are not in a position to make a fully informed decision. And I think part of the problem is that over 18, the information is still not presented ethically and clearly. Well, exactly. And that's a very important point. There's a lot we can say about these surgical interventions.

There's a lot we can say about these hormones. But I really want to flag what you're saying about someone choosing to do this after they're over the age of 18, when they have been told throughout their entire adolescence that this is something they should be doing. We recognize that groomers don't always get physical when the person is underage. Sometimes what happens is a groomer meets somebody who is underage and then they groom them into placing themselves in that role so that when they're 18, they can get together with them. If you have a 40-year-old man who knew a girl when she was 14 and 15 and was talking to her and then as soon as she turned 18, they started dating, we would recognize that that was grooming even though she was technically legally of age because we know that if a groomer gets to someone when they're young and more vulnerable, they can try to brainwash them.

And so it's a similar phenomenon. If you put a child on these hormones, then even if you're waiting until they're 18 to actually perform the surgical interventions, you've already warped their mind in the direction of embracing that intervention to the point where you couldn't say they've actually consented. Even if you did consent to something like that, it would be wrong because healthy body parts are not meant to be removed and mutilated but even so you can't make the argument that it's not grooming just because they waited until the person was over

the age of 18 to intervene surgically because groomers wait until the person they're preying upon is over 18 i disagree with you when it comes to relationships and things like that i mean if if if a if a if a man is 40 and he has a relationship with an 18 year old girl but if he knew her when he was 15 and he's planting seeds like when she was 15 i'm saying yeah we recognize universally that that's grooming yeah i mean i think that we see stuff like that throughout history um you know but i don't i don't think that you can make those kind of you kind of have to meet people where they stand, right? I mean, relationships are weird.

People have weird relationships all the time. Yeah, but a grown man knowing someone when she's underage and then dating her when she's 18 is totally grooming. Sure. I mean, in my family, I've seen relationships where the man is 31 and the woman is 20 and they get together. That's different. That's an age gap. But that's not, they knew each other when she was like a minor and young and vulnerable. And then as soon as she turns 18, they get together. That's different. That's an age gap, but that's not, they knew each other when she was like a minor and young and vulnerable

and then as soon as she turns 18, they're together. What you're picking up on is if someone saw a 14-year-old and thought, on some level, I'm conscious this person is not of legal consenting age,

so I'm going to continue to build what could ultimately translate into an intimate relationship and the conversations that happened beforehand, like while there may not be any physical contact, it's not something

that you would necessarily want a 14-year-old thing to do. It's not something that you would necessarily want it's not something that you would necessarily want but i don't think we can illegalize uh gender transition or sex changes for people who are of age and i don't think that we can similarly illegalize or make illegal is the correct terminology relationships like that like if somebody 18, if somebody is of age, somebody is of age, we have to have cut off somewhere. And I think what you're talking about too is a separate issue, which is the decline of values, the decline of morality, and the decline of a valuing

of childhood innocence for sure. But there's a difference between morality and values and what is legally acceptable. And I think we do have to make that distinction there have been uh people who have detransitioned that i've spoken to who underwent gender transition sex changes as adults who fully regret having been castrated they underwent that surgery in their 20s there was nothing to stop them legally from doing that. They are advocating for there to be more information about this for adults as well. And I think that that's fully valid and there should be a lot more information about that.

Because I think that can't make it illegal. I think you can and should. I think that's the biggest issue is that we use all of our scientific data. And I think conservatives can be guilty of this too in a way that benefits us rather than being like, here are the pros and cons, here are the risks. Like if you as a kid were around someone who was very open to you potentially transitioning when you're 18, I would hope that you were just as informed

of the lifelong consequences of your decisions and the surgical or medical intervention all along. Like if you are never given a full picture of what you're about to commit yourself to, then it's very hard to know whether that's a decision you're willing to make. And I think that's a huge problem. People don't get accurate information.

And the accurate information is just not available in a lot of cases. And I think in this case, it's done on purpose to then encourage people to make these choices. They're saying that ultimately, these things will make you happy when we know that that doesn't bear out and we know that there are consequences all along yeah well kind of from a wider view just beyond like um transitioning and sexual stuff like

grooming in general isn't necessary it's neutral like you groom someone to become something and whether you could groom them to become some healthy adult a parent grooms their child to become a successful parent like that's a form in the military you're groom them to become some healthy adult, a parent grooms their child to become a successful parent. Like that's a form in the military. You're groomed to become a soldier. Like these are, you're preparing them to become something. So if you're grooming them for sex of a minor, that's where it is. It's not that the word isn't. So you got to the word.

That's why I kind of like calling someone a groomer is like, it's kind of vague. Like, are you grooming them to be an amazing human? Then you've done your job as a parent. We know what we're using it for in this context, right? I don't know. Yeah. I mean what there's a difference between like this person is being groomed for the promotion like you said proving grooming a child 40 year old grooms a 16 year old girl yes and then when she's 18 they may well they may he may they may be talking and then when she's 18 they get married and they have a happy loving family extremely creep no she's

underaged and this guy's in his 40s and he's talking to her and they end up getting married. That's clearly grooming. She's underage. She's vulnerable. She's not in a position where she can make those kinds of decisions. It is grooming,

but it doesn't necessarily, it's not illegal and it's not necessarily immoral. I think it is immoral. If she's having sex with her when she's under 18, it's immoral, I think. It's illegal,

but I don't agree. I'm sending her like naked pictures. That's illegal. I don't, I don't. So I think it's that thing where like people have trouble finding out where the line is especially it comes to intimate communication with a minor and i don't know that we would solve it here in one night uh for me the

biggest issue is like if you don't give like if a 16 year old girl doesn't know like hey if this is making you uncomfortable you can say no even if this person is a family friend even if you feel like you're obligated like if there is not awareness of how to set boundaries then you have all kinds of problems which is an issue of the breakdown of families yeah you know the lack of real parenting i think that's an issue i got yelled out on twitter the other day because i called a teacher a groomer who was telling a 10 year old to delete an email uh discussing um gender identity stuff and the teacher was like delete this email so your parents don't see it and i was like this is what a groomer looks like and everyone's like

that's not a groomer i'm like no groomers ask you to keep secrets from your parents exactly exactly that and that's a huge part of it and i think that's true uh in all of the circumstances i mentioned and i think you can ban it i think you can have laws against it uh and i would um and i also i don't like the idea that you know it's okay for someone to have this surgery you know the day they turn 18 but the day before they turn 18 when they're 17 this surgery is awful it's awful either way you shouldn't be removing healthy functioning parts of someone's body it totally yeah i'm not i'm not in favor of it i just i i do think that um i do think that at a certain point we have to let adults make stupid decisions.

But an adult making a decision to prey upon a vulnerable minor is not a decision we should allow an adult to make. No. Because now a minor is involved. That's a different thing. And so if someone's a minor and they're talking to an adult, and then as soon as they turn 18 they're together, that's an instance of grooming. There was also this weird thing. Did you see, remember that show, the Jazz Jennings reality show? I am Jazz. I am Jazz.

I am Jazz. I never saw it, but I'm familiar. So we had a reporter looking into it last year and she found that Jazz's father was saying, no, you can't get a tattoo because it's too permanent. And then in the next scene, they were talking about cutting Jazz's dick off. Jeez.

Yeah, the whole thing's disgusting like that cognitive dissonance is wild this this culture the same sorry god oh of of people with that that hate themselves or that are sad to be what they are is terrifying i don't know where or why is it from video games and people being stuck on the internet and thinking they're just not in touch with their body because they're on the machine i think it's the culture of social media that tells you you're supposed to be seeking affirmation all the time from the outside world, right? I think that's a big thing. I mean, if you think about what are pronouns, if not saying what you think of me matters

more than what I think of myself or what reality is, there's this constant effort to get other people to view you in a certain way to give you justification and satisfaction. And I remember growing up with the idea that it really didn't matter what other people thought. And so expressing yourself sort of in a punk rock way or whatever had more to do with saying, I don't care if you think I am ugly now. And now it's very much like if you express yourself the way you want to, and then people don't celebrate it, then. Because now you're supposed to say, I made myself look ugly, but you have to tell me I'm beautiful.

That's weird. Yeah. It feels like the crowd is grooming the social media influencer. Like the influencer makes the post and then all the comments, if they're reading those comments, those comments are grooming them to become what the commenters want. Isn't that what it was? It was Tumblr. You know, Tumblr was a huge place for early gender transition conversations. Helena Kirshner talked about that.

Yeah, that was a huge deal. And I think we still see stuff like that, whether it's on, you know, platforms that I certainly am not savvy in, like Snapchat and TikTok, Discord, whatever the other ones are. I've got this feeling that shame is about to blast us over to a new story are you no yeah well i mean it's relevant but basically uh in in uh light of all these things you guys are bringing about the fact that this is externally imposed the culture tries to send messages to people we have a former president barack obama michelle's

husband oh no this is Former President Barack Obama I've always wondered what he's up to He could be the first first man I will say, while you set up that story I'm going to say The cognitive dissonance is so real It's the same thing that bothers me When you say like, hey I don't think someone under the age of 18

Should be at a drag show Someone can be like, that's life or death How could you say that? But they're okay with the idea that you wouldn't let an 18 year old heterosexual boy go to a strip club or a 17 year old you know an underage boy who's straight go to a strip club like under some circumstances we allow these things but not under others there's not an idea that like we're all in this to protect children it seems so strange to me it is strange and that And that's like State Senator Scott Weiner in California

pushed through a bill that decriminalized sex with minors if they were gay. Yeah. Saying that, you know, sex with minors, if you were heterosexual, whatever that age gap was, was legal. And I'm thinking, like, why didn't you illegalize the sex with minors instead of legalizing?

Yeah, it's weird. It's totally bizarre to me because you're telling me that, you know, children who are LGBTQ identifying are more vulnerable for, you know, depression, for anxiety, for all kinds of things. Studies bear out that most of the time they are sexually active at a younger age. But yet there's also a lot of abuse. There's tons of abuse. They're vulnerable in all sorts of ways but yet when you can take steps to protect them you're saying actually no they need to be exposed to these things like how can you not see that that is bizarre especially since you wouldn't treat straight children that way yeah right well we've

got the story queued up now apologies but in an open letter to librarians former president barack obama spoke out against the quote profoundly misguided book bans in school libraries so the former president uh wrote an open letter to american librarians uh and he appears in a tick tock video decrying right-wing censorship push now i've mentioned this before all of the rhetoric you're hearing about right-wing censorship in book bands is basically the left complaining about the fact that conservative parents have said that pornographic material cannot and should not be shown to children in public schools. And by the way, even the articles that claim to be sympathetic to this position, that these are book bands, acknowledge that this is a movement which is being led by parents parents are the ones saying

do not show this content to my children it is not right-wing special interest groups saying if you show this book to children it will expand their minds and it will it will reduce our control over the hegemonic narrative it is literally parents saying don't show porn to our children in the books that they are defending are pornographic and have pornographic content in them so uh in the letter barack obama called it uh profoundly misguided he said that books including controversial books shaped his life barack i hope these kinds of books are not the ones that shaped your life he said it's no coincidence that these banned books are often written by or feature people of

color indigenous people and members of the lgbtq community interesting is he alleging that there are books being banned because there are indigenous or black people in them it's the most ridiculous thing i've heard in my life that's exactly what he's alleging but this this part here is operative right this is the key the lgbtq plus community i agree brock it is kind of a weird coincidence that all of the books that are being banned because they have pornographic content in them are being supported by the lgbt community and your party maybe don't own that so loudly what do you guys think i think one thing that's interesting is a lot of these books and i've spoken to Moms for Liberty about this and about the different books and different moms who are like, you know, we don't want genderqueer.

We don't want flamer. We don't want a lot of these books. A lot of them are actually graphic novels. And I wonder if it would be if anyone would even notice if they were not graphic novels, because that's where you see this. You see, you know, lesbians filleting a strap on and genderqueer. And that's certainly not something that you would want in schools. And I think a lot of what is being missed is that it's not that people are asking for books to be banned. They're asking for age appropriate material to be made available to students.

You know, genderqueer has no business being taught. When I bought this book myself, we have it here on the table, I bought this book myself to check it out and to see what it was really about. And even worse than some of the images, what I thought was the most shocking

was that the main character who had been raised in a very weird situation grows up to decide to be non-binary and the book ends right as she is deciding to come out to a middle school class. And I'm thinking that's even more insidious. Why do people feel the need to, why do teachers feel the need to express their personal sexual preferences, orientations, and gender expression to their students. I find that so bizarre.

I don't remember I remember some of my teachers were married, but I don't remember anything about them. I had one fourth grade teacher who brought us all over to her house, Mrs. Fife. And I remember even thinking at the time, this is weird. Why are we at Mrs. Fife's house? This is very bizarre.

I want to return to the time where when you saw your teacher in the grocery store, you were like, you exist outside school? Yeah, exactly. What is happening here? And it's not because they're not human

and have their own lives and can do whatever. It's just because that's the setting in which children know them. I want them to feel like there is a certain relationship in school

and I don't like the idea that you would blur the lines for your own emotional gratification, right? The other thing too is, oh, I'm sorry. Oh sorry oh i was just gonna say like the pope had this interesting comment on uh people having dogs and i'm gonna misquote it i know there are instead of children yeah he was saying like the reason one of his based quotes one of the reasons you like uh people have dogs is because there's less emotional work in this relationship uh than having children and i think there is

something similar that's happening here where it's like i specifically want children to be like wow we love you anyway whoever you are because children are innocent and when you feel like you have gotten gratification from them you know it there is some sort of secure trapped audience effect there and i think that should be also these are teachers who never properly grew up you know they're that's a huge part of it are these the role model you want kids to have yeah i mean childlike when when i was a kid which wasn't that long ago but when i was a kid you didn't even know your teacher's first name the idea that your teacher is telling you about all the perverse sexual things they're doing behind the scenes is totally insane but we know why it's happening right this is grooming they want children to be exposed to their perverse lifestyle choices

because grooming is essentially a kind of perverse exposure therapy people intuitively recoil at perversion and degeneracy and so if you keep putting it in front of the child the idea is you will slowly chip away at their intuitive sense that this is wrong that's a huge deal too like when you take a kid to drag story hour right like if you do that there are kids you can see in videos of this who recoil and the moms are like and it's always moms the moms they gaslight them they gaslight them into thinking it's good that's totally fine that's totally fine or the washington post article by a mom who was saying that she was taking her kid to the pride parade and wanted the kid to see kink and to normalize kink and or the sex ed glasses that emphasize pleasure in second grade

and start teaching kids there's no reason for a sex ed class in second grade period but there's there's something more to this too which i also find a little disturbing which is uh and i'm just sort of expressing this for the first time so if i screw it up you know you'll refine it later i'll refine it later but the idea is that um if you're a kid why do you want all of this stuff to come from authority figures you know why do you why are authority figures getting involved in what essentially should be a kid's private emotional life do you know what i mean like i had this professor in college uh Danny Kaiser, and we were studying James Joyce and Marcel Proust in his class. And the first day of class, he said,

I don't know why you guys want me to teach you Joyce. When I was your age, Joyce was mine. I didn't want anyone to teach it to me. It was for me. I wanted to learn about it myself. And he said the same thing about folk music. He was way older than us, obviously. But I think to a certain extent,

like when I wanted to read weird books when I was in high school, which, you know, like I was a weird, curious kid. I read a lot of weird books. I went and found them for myself. I didn't want anyone to teach me anything. I didn't want anyone to teach me poetry. I didn't really want people to teach me Kafka.

I wanted to read those things myself. Do you know what I mean? And so you have these people who are not just infiltrating the educational system and infiltrating that, but they're infiltrating the private thoughts of these kids who should be, if they're going to be thinking about these things, that should be their own private thoughts to a certain extent. It shouldn't be involved with adults. Or their parents at the very end. Or their, you know, talk to your parents for sure but like the infiltration of adults into children's private lives is really

messed up this is something i also want to mention that came from one of the articles i was reading about this the ala has found that in u.s public schools last year a record 2,571 unique titles were targeted for censorship often led by parent groups. Oh, no. A 38 percent increase from the 1800 unique titles targeted for censorship in 2021. Now, they're saying that as if that's an indication that our laws are becoming more draconian. We're trying to prevent kids from seeing this literature. Firstly, this is happening. This kind of pornographic content is being placed into public schools and public school libraries at a much higher rate than it was in the past. So it makes sense that you'd be seeing more people trying to remove them. I think parents are also finally starting to wake up to this stuff,

being in the libraries at their kids' schools or being taught in their classrooms. So it makes sense that they'd stand up and say something. But again, the article here acknowledges that this is led by parent groups who are saying, stop showing this stuff to our children. And also this idea that there's such a thing as being too selective about what you're allowing your child to be exposed to when they're off at a school where you have no oversight over them through the course of the day, other than the standards that you've gotten the school to agree to is total insanity. It is a good thing that parents are becoming more concerned with what their kids are looking at in schools. The fact that you try to frame that as something that I see these numbers and I go, good, more parents are involved. More parents care about their kids are reading in their ideal world. The parents sit back and say, show whatever you want to my kids. I don't care. Now I happen to disagree with that, which is why I think the fact that 2,500 different

titles are being pulled out of public schools and they're being told you can't show these to our children is good because if parents don't want their kids seeing that stuff, then the kids shouldn't be looking at it. Well, here's the other thing, though. A lot of times it's really hard to get the curriculum. I don't know if you guys are aware of that. No. I have tried to, you know, at the schools my son has gone to,

not the Lutheran school that he went to for a while. That was very easy. But so much of the curriculum is not in books. They don't send home textbooks. If the kids do worksheets, the worksheets stay at school. That's a huge thing. So COVID really opened people's minds to this. That's where I started to really see what was going on at the school

in terms of like weird racial education and whatever else. So that is, I think, one of the biggest upsides of the pandemic. That's where Moms for Liberty came in. They were like, vaccine mandates, no. Masking, no. Wait, and all these books,

all of this stuff that you guys are looking at, all of this curriculum, no. And there was even a situation where, I think it was in Chico, California. Was it the Chico School District? Anyway, it's been on my list. I haven't been able to write about it. I've wanted to for a couple of days.

Anyway, a parent was, a mom was denied the ability to look at the curriculum of the school, was told outright that she couldn't see it. And a lot of school districts, what they do is they say that the material is copyrighted, that she couldn't see it and a lot of school districts what they do is they say that the material is copyrighted so they can't send it home and they keep the stuff from the parents so the more they keep the stuff from the parents the more angry parents are going to get i know i was at moms for liberty the summit in philadelphia a couple of weeks ago and when i was talking to the moms about what was going on,

they were really insistent, you know, that they wanted to see what was going on in the schools and they wanted to be a part of it. I will just say though, did you guys see what Barack Obama's half brother said about the list that he put out? Yeah, he deleted the tweet, but he said, this man is definitely gay.

Oh my goodness. About Barack? Yeah. Dude, Barack, you gotta eat more green vegetables, man. Your hair's too white. I love you, brother. You're like a health guru now. Ian's a dietary expert ever since he started bulking up for this music video.

Long life, homie. But I'm not against it. I'm not against it. All of your comments just make me return to the refrain, only groomers ask you to keep things from your parents and your kid. Exactly. Exactly. It is weird to me that their position would be, don't talk we can't show you like there shouldn't be secrets between parents and

children obviously over time children develop independence and things like that but like the school should be able to be like no you're not it's just for me and our your kids to look at right and that is what that is what they do and not only do groomers you really cannot get this material you can ask you can go to the school. You can say, give me the material. You can say, can I see the textbooks? Can I see what's going on? It is very difficult to get it.

They say it's in the Google Classroom. And then you try and log into the Google Classroom and the password doesn't work. And they make you go get one just for adults. And then that doesn't have all the information. You can't see it. It's ridiculous. Yeah. Well, not only do... It's totally different than it was when we were kids.

Not only do groomers not want kids to... Or not only do groomers want kids to keep things from their parents, they also want to keep certain films from theaters. You guys know where this is going. We had the privilege of speaking to Tim Ballard last week. It was an excellent show. I would recommend everybody check that one out if you haven't seen it yet. But a former spokesman for a pro-pedophile advocacy group writes in Bloomberg a hit piece that was

targeting the film Sound of Freedom. Now, he made a number of arguments about how he thought that this is a QAnon dog whistle that doesn't help victims. A lot of the same rhetoric we've been hearing from the left. He was arguing that it doesn't thoroughly address the reality of child trafficking and the way it presents is misleading he said most of them are 15 to 17 rather than young children okay the film doesn't purport to be telling you the story of every single person who's been trafficked but also they're all minors every child being trafficked as a minor for him to play this oh like 15 16 17 uh so maybe people shouldn't be so concerned about it well he's making it sound like it's little kids well oftentimes it is little kids and either way it's disgusting because people are abusing children they're abusing minors uh he also mentions that in 41

percent of cases a family member's involved that's perfectly fine to point out but again this film is about global child trafficking rings it's a different story it doesn't claim to be representative of every single instance of abuse that occurs now part of what's very interesting about this particular story is he's a former spokesman for an organization which tries to d or which tries to legitimize uh pedophilia basically by insisting that pedophiles be referred to as maps or minor attracted persons this is a phrase that he has argued that people should be using so i will open it up to all of you and get your opinion yeah there's even a support group by prostasia for people over the age of 13 to discuss their pedophilia tendencies with adults.

Yes. That doesn't seem creepy at all. No, not at all. I've got kind of a creepy. This is always kind of gets me. How do we prevent child sex with minor like pedophilia? How do we prevent it? If you very harsh penalties?

Well, you can either just try and destroy the pedophiles, but then it's like it's like they can still be created like a person can still become one. How do you stop them from becoming one? Maybe you need to listen to pedophiles, tell their story from prison or wherever, but just so you understand how they got to where they were, how were they abused? Why did you feel that way?

Cause if someone can identify with them, be like, I feel that too. So I won't go down that road. Jordan Peterson talked for, I remember hearing a podcast of his, where he was talking about children who had been abused as kids. They were abused and they had been worried that they were going to grow up and become parents and abuse their own kids.

And you don't have to, right? And what he was saying is you don't have to do that. That he had spoken to more people who had grown up after having suffered child abuse themselves, grown up and said, there's no way I'm doing that, and they don't do it. So it is possible, even if you have been abused as a kid in this horrific and horrible, you know, terrible way, you don't have to grow up to live like that.

You can overcome it. We overcome all kinds of horrible things all of the time. Do you know what I mean? So this organization, what it does is it talks about how this is an innate sort of thing that you could be born with this condition, this predilection. We overcome all kinds of things that we are born with, right? Yeah, but I also, I mean, I totally reject the framing. There's a lot of people who go along with, who become monogamous, of you know we always hear like oh you know monogamy is not natural we do it anyway yeah but we believe in it even so we don't have to reject

the framing we have to reject the frame it's not true yeah it's not that no people people are not born this way it's ridiculous this is something that you know uh gay rights activist groups were trying to say for decades in order to normalize and legitimize homosexual behavior yeah but this is what we have to recognize is that this narrative that they're born this way is only ever used to create sympathy for that group of people so that you're unwilling to speak out against the actions oh they can't help themselves oh this is their attraction oh they're going to do this no they're not going to do this we don't have to accept this as an inevitability anyone who harms a child needs to be penalized in the harshest possible legal way and other people who are considering offending need to see that happen to them in

order to deter them there are multiple levels to this i was having a conversation with sean the actual justice warrior sean fitzgerald really very bright give you a very bright guy one thing he explains is that there are basically three tiers to how you get a person to comply with the law or not break it and the first and most important one is that the person actually internalizes and believes that that rule is good. That is the most effective way to stop someone from breaking a rule. And you ideally want everyone to feel that way. But then a step below it, if a person doesn't really feel like there's anything wrong with it, is for them to know that their community, the people around them are extremely opposed to it. And that if they do it and people find out they do it or ever found out they do it, they would be loathed

and detested. And there'd be a great amount of shame. And then finally you have imprisonment. Finally, you have legal penalties. This is at the very bottom. This is when those first two fail-safes break. So the most important thing to do is to help everyone internalize to the strongest possible degree that this is totally unacceptable. And then beneath that, you want to ensure that those social conventions are held up and promoted to a degree such that nobody who is ever spouting this, they're born that way rhetoric, they can't out this rhetoric, any rhetoric that makes them sympathetic to them is not listened to. And then beneath that, if these people do offend anyway, you have to inflict the maximal, harshest possible legal penalty.

So we've eliminated shame in our society. Yes, we have. That's second tier. Yeah, that's second tier. We're not supposed to be ashamed of anything anymore. We're supposed to go out into the street, parade ourselves around naked and kink filled and whatever else and have everybody acknowledge that as beautiful and spectacular. It's a very weird situation where we've gotten rid of shame. I've been saying for years now.

I don't think we have, though. Bring back the taboo. It's okay to have taboo. I don't think we have entirely, though. I think there is an argument that you should be able to do whatever. But I think there are people who then go out there and put on naked and whatever else. And they're like, and if you don't cheer and celebrate me, I will think that you're shaming me in some way. And that will hurt me.

Right. Well, now they can't really get rid of it now now we are shamed for thinking the wrong thing yeah you know that's where the shame is it's totally shifted this is something i want everyone in the audience everyone here to just pay very close attention to over the next couple years because there's something i've noticed that the left does basically every time they want to normalize something and we're seeing that occur with respect to pedophilia the The argument that's always made is this behavior, which society widely rejects is inevitable. Some minority of people are going to do it anyway.

So we have to ensure that we have a more empathetic approach to ensure that it's done safely or only done in small doses, or there's some way to accommodate these people so that we don't see all of the disastrous effects that occur. Now, of course that's not possible. You have to stop people from doing it. You can't mitigate the disastrous effects of something so disgusting through some means of employing an empathetic understanding of why the person did it, right? You just have to put your foot down and say, no,

we're not accepting this. That said, what the left always does and what they have done is once they get people to say, okay, it's an inevitability, there's nothing we can do about it, what of course happens is it becomes more socially accepted. And once it's more socially accepted, you get more of it. So the left-wing argument is constantly, we won't get any more of this thing if we normalize it. The people who are already going to do it will just keep doing it, but they'll do it safely and there will be less harm.

That's not true. It's never been true. Every time they've ever made that claim, we've gotten more of the thing that they claim to be prevented if we just gave it an outlet. So they say It's never been true. Every time they've ever made that claim, we've gotten more of the thing that they claim to be prevented if we just gave it an outlet. So they say there's a pressure valve. They say we need a pressure valve to allow this behavior.

Do not listen to that argument. Don't give them an inch because if you do, we're going to end up in a country where this stuff is totally accepted by everyone and you lose your job for saying it's wrong. Well, we did that with sex. Remember, kids are going to,

teens are going to have sex anyway. Absolutely. So let's just make sure we give them birth control so that they can do it safely or kids are just gonna try drugs anyway so let them try it at home with their parents or kids are just gonna drink anyway so they should just drink at home with their parents and all of these things have become super normalized i think though regarding a social pressure valve on pedophilia that it something like that not that doing it is is what relieves the pressure but that understanding it because if someone if you're abused when you were little and you see now the the adult that abused you breaking down sitting

maybe in a prison cell or whatever just losing losing it uncontrollably sobbing about how they were abused as a child and explaining it and being honest about what they've done okay that might bring you some sense of relief i don't think so i think it's going to be more traumatic it might be i'm not gonna say one thing but sometimes trauma can lead to really against uh researching and talking to pedophiles from prison and saying like how do we get to where we are right but i don't think that mitigates the fact that there have to be harsh punishments right like if your house caught on fire you may would you would want to know the cause if it was an electrical thing you would not want to know why so we could prevent it in the future and i understand that there's a desire to come to a place of compassion but like if you were

abused and your abuser then cries in jail and it says i was abused are you then obligated to feel empathy for them when they did something bad about rapists and murderers like yeah everyone goes normalize those things because some people are like some people who did are sad yeah right and and or some people who did that had a had a tough time well no hold on i read there's a point i really have to make here um which is that because i always try to make this but it's shimcast and i tried to say this before hannah claire uh was speaking but um i think the emphasis nowadays is put on us understanding why the criminal did this the emphasis should be on getting the criminal to understand why what they did was disgusting and should never be tolerated i'm concerned with the child that was abused growing up to become an

abuser and how do we how do we help the child once you become an abuser our only concern was how do we lock you away from everybody else and get you to stop? And the thing is, we don't know how we can get people to stop doing it. So what we just have to do is lock them up away from everyone else so that they're not capable of doing it. Finding some way to neutralize the threat. I know you agree we should lock them up. I do. And I don't think it's impossible to understand why they're doing it. I don't think that's impossible.

But we need to not have shame about listening to it. Well, I think we do shame about listening to it well i i don't think i think we do understand why they i think they do it because they're twisted perverts who get a sexual thrill out of harming children we know why a lot of times they're abused when they're little and like that's true but i think you know people will say that to get empathy for them but if someone did that to you as a child and you pass that pain along to someone else that makes it even worse how could you do that to somebody you know because because what happens is i think what happens is it happens to you so you're like that was so horrible no no no i'm okay i'm fine whatever happened to me in my life is okay i'm

okay and then you start to realize like all the things that happened to you are okay so then you remember the abuse and that's part of the okay thing and then it's like no no i'm okay it's okay it doesn't have to be that way and there's a you you know, I mean, I think that, I think a lot of it has to do with the breakdown of morality as well. And this lack of understanding that there are appropriate ways to live. It should not be a relativist society. And that's a relativist perspective.

Like this thing happened to me, so I'm going to inflict this pain on someone else. We see that with hazing, right, in colleges. And you see like that with hazing, right, in colleges. And you see, like, fraternity hazing. And so the freshmen get beat up by the upperclassmen or whatever. I don't know. I never was part of any fraternities.

And then that becomes a normal thing. And people do it. It's still illegal. People still die from hazing. Even in relationships, when one person yells at the other person, then the other person feels it's they're allowed now to yell back and it's like you've you've created a cycle and at some point you've got to break that exactly the way you break the cycle is by locking all of the people who do that up so they can't harm anybody else you just break up with the person and because well i'm talking about this situation well yeah i think i would actually say yes yeah

if you're in a relationship people you think they're unrecoverable i think a relationship, if you're in a relationship with somebody who yells at you, absolutely. I wonder about that. I also think yelling in a relationship is the same thing as pedophilia. It's very different. My point is we still draw a line at some point and say

if we want this thing to stop, we have to stop it. And if we want pedophilia to stop, we have to lock them up. They have to know that they will receive the harshest possible penalty for their crime. That will stop the pedophile, but it if we want pedophilia to stop we have to lock them up They have to know that they will receive the harshest possible penalty for their that will stop the pedophile But it won't stop pedophilia, but I think part of the argument is saying like pedophiles I mean like one at a time if that pedophile is still in jail and there's still a pedophile I guess in that sense you haven't stopped pedophilia, but you've stopped children from being abused That's what's most important like those kids aren't being abused. I don't know if a kid just see that's the man

I feel like we're going in circles. Were you about to say to say something oh i was just saying i think it goes back to libya's point i think as a society we need to decide that there are some absolute hard lines that we will not cross and for me pedophilia is obviously one of them uh and there shouldn't you know as a human being obviously you want to cultivate a lifestyle that has compassion but you can't let your compassion be so overrun that you are willing to permit other people to be put in harm's way exactly it is a false mercy mercy to the thief is injustice to the person that they robbed mercy to the pedophile is cruelty to the child that said we've got another interesting story here uh this one is a little bit lighter i know

we've been talking about a lot of dark topics tonight this is a dark topic but it's so ridiculous that it seems like something that might have come out of an onion article which is part of why i wanted to share it with all of you since this is shimcast and you know maybe we should lean into the comedy a little bit more but this is not a very dark episode we're talking about important issues and this is also to be clear an important issue but a pentagon typo has leaked to millions of sensitive uh messages being leaked to african nations so basically there is a typo that results has resulted in literal millions of messages from the defense department from the pentagon being leaked to molly basically you have to end your emails dot mil so in the same way that if you email someone at gmail.com yep it's really bad yep so when you email someone at gmail.com

right it's dot com commercial when it comes to the military it's dot m-i-l military if it's to someone in molly it's dot ml so a lot of people at the pentagon were not typing the i and so they were sending secret information sensitive information at the very least to this african nation now now to be clear for everybody in panics this is still a serious problem uh but johanna severe uh who manages mali's domain collected 117 000 emails since january of this year and many more and years prior and they're they contain a lot of information about the united states government and this is a risk which is very real this could very easily be exploited and what he basically said is that his 10-year contract managing that server expires this week. And it's clear that the emails being sent there aren't slowing down.

Let's also mention that Mali is an ally of Russia. So not to stoke the Russia, Russia, Russia flames. At the same time, this is pretty bad. This is pretty bad. What do you guys think? I think they should have had it as dot military US. What's up? So you cannot mistake.

You cannot accidentally type the wrong dot something. You have to dot very explicit word. They probably didn't think that the people who worked at the Pentagon were so horrifyingly inept

and stupid. Maybe the real problem with the deep state isn't that they have too much power. Maybe it's that they are stupid and should not have any jobs at all. They have so much power

for the normal amount of intelligence of a human being. It's interesting because the spokesman who came out to address this was like, look, we are actually aware this has been happening and the thing is, we have no way to fix it because basically they can't change the.mil. So they just need to like send out a

pentagon wide email being like please please please be very careful because there's no uh he was saying there's no there's no technical roadblock here i don't know if that's actually true i'm not a an information technologist by any means but uh it is interesting that ultimately our national security comes down to bureaucratic error. Well, don't so many things come down to bureaucratic error. If you look at, you know, the Biden administration, they're sending out these executive orders to do all kinds of things, get the agencies to do all of this kind of stuff. And it is just bureaucracy.

It's bureaucrats trying to figure out the best way to implement these things. Like look at HHS, right? They're like, oh, okay, we're going to implement trans policy by forcing insurance companies to cover all of these different kind of surgeries the agriculture department is like we're gonna stop paying for free lunches for school kids if schools don't allow boys to use girls bathrooms that's what we're gonna do so it's a it's a massive amount of ineptitude i just failure from these people who all went to nice state schools and now have

jobs that they don't want to lose and it turns out that they're idiots and fools that's the real problem that's the issue that i see with so many conspiracy theories as well it would require like a lot of these conspiracy theories would require intelligent people to be implementing these things and we are run by fools so yes do we charge them with treason because ignorance of the law is not justification for breaking it sure charge them with i'm joking but fire them all that would be ridiculous everyone at the federal government i just get them out of office save us a bunch of money that's a position start over at the very least i'll say i'm sympathetic to that position one thing i'll mention you brought up these schools that are having funds withheld from

them for people to for students to get lunches that was the department of agriculture yeah good old tom vilsack who also decided that there's that that grants for farmers from the federal government should be based on race first well that's brilliant because we need farmers based on race and everyone was like no nobody really cares about this and i'm like we're covering this story damn it we are covering this story well there's this weird thing where like every couple decades left-wingers become more comfortable outwardly saying that we need to give farming subsidies and farms to people uh not based on whether they know how to farm but whether they're politically they never heard of now

exactly this is you guys have tried the whole let's base who gets to be a farmer and whose advantage is a farmer on if we like you politically and not like whether you can farm and treating all people who can farm well equally instead of having like racial or political preferences now um i i also want to mention too part of the irony here which is the school lunches thing is probably the left's number one issue to grandstand on and this is why it's always stupid it's always short-sighted when conservatives say, you know what we need to do? We need to go after the schools that, and it doesn't happen all that often, but whenever it does, it gets a tremendous amount of press from the left smearing the right, because of course it's awful and it's terrible optics, but they'll say, look, these heartless

conservatives don't want kids to get school lunches. But then when bureaucratic incompetence results in kids not getting school lunches, we can't lay that at the feet of the people who are comfortable with completely incompetent bureaucracies. It makes me think of someone who takes hostages being like, can you believe that the police department wants these hostages to suffer

because they won't give me a plane? It's just crazy. That's like we always see in the movies. If this person dies, it'll be your fault. No, it's your stupid fault. No, it's your fault. It's your stupid fault. You're the one choosing to be the suspicion.

I also have to say, can you just put yourself in this Dutch entrepreneur's position? Who is like, hello, US government. I appear to have too many of your emails. I don't think you mean to be doing this. Apparently, this has been going on for years. And nobody stops doing it. Right. And finally, he's like, what fools and idiots.

And finally, he goes to the media and is like, this doesn't seem to be resolving itself. But I have these emails and I don't want them. And I don't think you want to be sending them. And I have to leave. You're talking about the Malaysian guy? They were probably sending them to the Russians. It's a Dutch guy who manages the domain for the government of Mali. And so he is saying, like, this is happening.

And I just want to know, like, did you call the pentagon and be like hello please help me like i i have this weird for english press one pentagon would be like yeah it would be no way to get yeah so well i you know i want to ask you this because you have more experience working in tech i know you're working for minds.com for a while you have a technology background how difficult would it have been for the pentagon over the course of the last 10 years to just kind of implement some kind of software into the computers that are being used there to set off a flag if someone tries to email a dot ml email address instead of dot ml for sure yeah yeah i mean why wasn't how difficult would something like that have been from a technological perspective i don't think that would be i don't know for sure but i would think that you could internally block

the dot ml uh uh what is that called x x decode i don't know what you, but I would think that you could internally block the.ml, what is that called? Xdecode? I don't know what you'd call that, but you could block that. Maybe they didn't even know the problem was happening, though, so they didn't block it. I mean, it sounds like he had been saying things, but yeah, maybe. I mean, maybe this is one of those things that people just never flagged or considered to be important enough to run up to the top, but it seems like a pretty massive vulnerability that there's a country that i'm wondering most of the people just want to get off at five and go home yeah i don't care this one dutch guy is like what are we doing they're

like the pentagon's like what's what's what's molly gonna do let's go home we're fine we're gonna we're going home for the evening i'm not gonna fix this i i think it's also like there's probably like i want to say there's like one person who has like miss saved some email and it's just like not aware they are the problem and it's continuously sending it out to the wrong thing. I mean, I find this whole situation so ridiculous. And at the same time, like hysterically funny. I agree with you. It's like something out of the office. That's what I'm wondering.

Is it intent? Like, is it like, I don't want to say God, it's a little too vague, but like, is there like a force that's mind controlling these people to send it to the Russian ally? Like the Pentagon staff? I think it's just poor dexterity. I think they're just, or they're rushing or not typing quickly enough. It could just be stupidity, but like. Ian, hold on.

Are you like, don't attribute to stupidity what you can attribute to. To madness. To madness. No, I don't think it's intentional. I don't think it's intentional i don't think it's subconsciously intentional shirt that's an ian shirt don't attribute to stupidity what you can do and they're like whether we realize it or not we're contributing to the demise of the liberal economic order i don't know i don't think that's really happening but it's interesting when

huge masses of people make the same mistake for a long period of time it's also interesting how much more invested people are in being careful when they have a stake in something. So for example, as someone who runs a business, as someone who's responsible for, you know, gaining their own income through the success of the operation that they've created and are building, like, I'm pretty careful when I send an email to a new domain, I want to make sure I got it exactly right, especially if I'm sending information that I think could be, you know, sensitive, like a pitch guide or like an FLA file

or something that I would want people outside of our organization to have. But these people, I think a lot of them, they just don't feel like they have that much of a stake, so they're not paying as close of attention to what they're doing. And you should feel like you have a massive stake because you're working for the Pentagon. I think that's true with a lot of people who have jobs these days. Yeah, exactly.

They don't feel like they have a stake. Have you seen this thing where, what is it, Gen Z? There's that whole quiet quitting thing. There's the take it easy Monday thing. There's the I'm not going to work as hard as I really could thing. There's like a lot of this going on. And it's like civilization. We have built civilization up to be so big and powerful and huge that it's going to take a while for it to collapse.

But all of these things are little pieces of collapse. People not taking a stake, people not caring what happens, people thinking that they're going to continue to get paid and have jobs, even if they stop doing any work. It's one of the reasons I love talking to people who own a small business.

Locally, there's Black Dog Coffee in Trinidad and Junction. And I love talking to people who own a small business, like locally there's Black Dog Coffee in Shenandoah Junction. And I was talking to a roaster who just like started doing it for fun. And then like when he was working in construction and he couldn't do that anymore in 2007, he was like, I'll just go full time. And he's built this business where like the employees that I met there are like, no, I just I really believe in what we're doing. And I like this product and I want it to be good. There is a sense of pride of ownership. And I love that. I love that you have this idea that people are like, I am interested in this. I'm intellectually engaged in it, but also like I'm roasting coffee. I want it to be a good product. I want people to feel satisfied. Like,

and maybe that I feel bad because I always sort of joke with my friends who work for corporate America. It's like, oh, you're just, just your corporate gals. You have some jargon and you do some meetings. And like, what are you even doing? And of course, there are reasons to work for large companies. I don't want to be completely against it. But it is there is something like I'm saying, like when I was talking to Black Dog Coffee Roasters, I just really love hearing how passionate about what they what they do. And I don't know, I, i i i wish more people got to work in environments like that because when you work for sort of bigger souls corporations when you feel detached from your work it eats away at who you are you feel dissatisfied yeah

i would agree a disservice to the company that you're working for yep they're gonna do worse yeah and if they feel loyalty to you and you don't feel the loyalty to the company then that's a problem absolutely well i think a lot of people not only don't feel any kind of ownership over the work they're doing, but apparently you don't feel a whole lot of ownership over the decisions that they've made. This is something we see frequently with the student debt crisis, the student loan issues, and the fact that Democrats are trying to push to forgive all student loan debt if they can. Not the Democratic Party officially, but many people in the party want all student loan debt to be forgiven joe biden was pushing for this obviously the supreme court wasn't having it but we see here uh in some data that was published by axios here

that young americans are likely to blame the supreme court and republicans for a lack of debt forgiveness now now here's a radical idea. Maybe if you took out loans, the person you should blame for the fact that you are in debt is not the Supreme Court and not the Republican Party, but yourself. That said,

I'm sympathetic to some of the arguments that advocates for student loan debt forgiveness make just in the sense that if someone's already paid off more than they actually owed, but because they've been paying it off for so long and have such a high interest rate that they're still in the hole, I do think there's something about that which is upsetting,

especially considering these loans are federally guaranteed, so there isn't the same level of risk for the lenders who are collecting this massive interest rate. I hear all of that. That said, it's hard to be sympathetic when people who statistically are making significantly more than people without college degrees are demanding that those people pay their debts off for them. And people who also are earning at the same level as people who did pay off their degrees, but had to take less money in the moment in order to pay that off. And they want them to have their wages redistributed or their salary redistributed to pay that debt off. So just to give you guys an idea of the numbers here, if you graduate with a doctorate degree, your median earnings are $97,000 per year. Your unemployment rate is about 1%.

If you have a master's degree, your median salary is like $77,000, about $78,000, and your unemployment rate is about 2%. When you get down to somebody with a high school diploma, your median salary is $38,000 a year, and you have an unemployment rate of 3.7%. So people who have doctorates, people who have degrees, they make significantly more than people who don't have these degrees. They also are significantly less likely to be unemployed. So the idea that you could spend four to six years in an academic institution, even longer than that, depending on the track you were on and accumulate debt throughout that time period, and then step out

into the workforce after having all, you know, many, if not all in some circumstances of your living expenses taken care of through that four to six years, and then enter into the workforce, not having had a job before, but being able to make more money than people who had a job through that four to six year period, four to eight year period, depending on your track, whatever, however long you took, is totally insane and totally selfish, in my opinion. Part of it, I think, is that people expect that if they study something, they're going to be able to get a job in that field. And that getting a job in that field should be able to pay off their student loans. And I think that that's short-sighted as well. I mean, if you go to college and you study gender and then you get a degree in philosophy or whatever,

why would you think that you're immediately going to be able to get a professorship and pay off your degree with that? The idea is that you go to school. Sure, you can study what you want, but you have to then get a job that's going to pay your bills, you know, with the salary that you make. So I think that that's the,

I think that the biggest problem is the unrealistic expectations of the students who take out these loans. I feel like the loan system, and I am not an economics person, but it seems to me like it's just completely broken. I know there is an argument for like you took out the loan so you know the consequences. It does seem crazy to me that the federal government gets to say you can't default on this loan and also we will ultimately decide if we'll forgive it or not. Like this seems like a broken system. If you could default on student loans, would you issue them?

Right. Like a bank would take into account if you're getting a loan for a house, they take into account the kind of money you make, your financial history, and then they make a decision. Does the federal government take into account what we need in terms of jobs? So like if you're a nursing student, do you get a better interest rate if you take out a student loan? Like, are we giving loans to people where there is also jobs waiting for them at the end?

That system seems like it makes more sense than we currently have, which is like, you're 18 and can take out massive amounts of debt to study whatever you think may or may not, based on nothing, make money and be able to pay off this loan. There doesn't seem to be the same system that we have for every other type of loan out there. Yeah, no, I totally agree with you. I

think that if financial institutions weren't having these loans subsidized, they would be more careful about who they were going to give loans out to. I think other things might be taken into consideration if the whole system wasn't rigged by these federally subsidized student loans. You might even have financial institutions considering not only the major person has and the likelihood of getting a job and what they might earn at that job if they graduate, but also the likelihood of them graduating. What kind of student were they in high school? And ultimately, I think the loans would be significantly less expensive overall. several years ago where they essentially confirmed that universities and colleges respond to the widened access and easily available money by doing guess what raising the prices look at that and most of the raises in tuition actually don't correlate with an increased number of people in the faculty they actually hire more administrators yes i know there are many people who have made the argument centers build that exactly so i know many people who have made the argument. They build athletic centers. Exactly. And so I know many people who have made the arguments that there are many colleges that they're basically hedge funds with a kind of educational front built atop. They take this money, they invest it, they end up growing their wealth, kids are paying there to get an education. They don't necessarily improve the quality of that education as students move through and the tuition goes up and they're laughing all the way to the bank and people end up in this this kind of i don't want to call it debt slavery because that seems

a bit hyperbolic but they end up owing significant portions of their income for the foreseeable future and again the one reason i am not sympathetic to the people who push for student loan forgiveness even though i am sympathetic to people with student loans is because i don't think that people who made the decision not to go to college and who are making less than you should have to bite the bullet. Or also, I mean, I'm sure we all know people who took out, you know, hundreds of thousands of dollars in student loans. And we also know people who made the decision to go to colleges that were less expensive so that they didn't have to be burdened with that loan debt or made other decisions about how they were going to be educated. And I think that's really valid as well. I know one of my cousins,

very intelligent, wanted to go to a top school, decided to go to a state school, had enough money to pay for that, did that, and is now not saddled with student loan debt, has a good job, has a mortgage, has a couple of kids, doesn't have to pay for school still. I think part of it is the false promise that, you know, college is this door to some great, you know, ladder to the elite or just more financial comfort or stability when that's not the case anymore. I think you can falsely sell to people if you go to the most elite university you can go to. Even if it puts you in hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of debt, you are guaranteed success in the future. And that's just not the case.

Right, that's not true either. But it is more likely. I mean, statistically, the higher your degree level is, the higher your education level is, the more likely you are to earn more money. Yes, you may, as studies show, have more employment, things like that. But if you put yourself in debt, you always have that debt. It doesn't go away the first day. You would then have to budget yourself accordingly. You'd have to take a job that you can pay it off.

You'd have to choose a lifestyle that accommodates this debt. And if you don't want to have to do that, you make choices differently. And ultimately, you're able to potentially generate wealth more quickly because you don't have to immediately overcome this obstacle you've given yourself, which is massive student loan debt. Yeah, well, there's a couple different ways of looking at this, but here's one way I look at it. Firstly, if you got a degree that was very useful and you're earning a lot of money and you're the kind of person whose student loan debt we would want to pay off because you're massively

contributing, you're making enough money to pay off your student loan debts, right? If you're somebody who majored in something useless and so you're not making any money, well, why would we subsidize useless degrees? You think that if you forgive student loan debt yeah you think if we forgive people student loan debt that's not going to have an effect on the market that's not going to have an effect on the number of people taking out student loans that's not going to have an effect on tuition costs of course it's going to it's going to make the problem worse yeah it will make it worse declare the student loan debt experiment dead like that's what i want to know when can we just really overhaul this system because it seems broken and even if they forgave

some massive amount of student loan debts and by some crazy odds which is obviously unrealistic it didn't hurt uh the economy somewhere else like when do we say like okay we've learned a lesson this system is not working we are going to do something else because ultimately that's what bothers me the most but it's not a collective approach we don't have a collectivist approach no i think we should solution student loans should not have interest attached to them that's my first that's a huge issue i think if it's federally guaranteed some of the compounded interest like yeah i can't you end up having to pay interest on your interest yeah that's compounding interest and children don't understand that yeah nobody understood but also i call it the most powerful force in the universe we've called

we've sold them a false bill of goods too like pursue your dreams and everything will work out that's total crap not true it's just a lie i think your dreams have to like look there's a couple things like your dreams have to be good they also have to line up with what it makes the most sense for you to be doing in the world right there's so many layers of this like some people have genuinely bad dreams right some people want to do things that would actually not be good for the world uh and and then there are some people who want to do something good but maybe they're not the best person for it right there are a lot of layers to this i think there are a lot of people who dream of putting in no effort that's the other thing well yes there's sort of a lack of discipline like i said if if we had to line up a

bunch of 18 year olds and be like hey you could major in whatever you want but i'll tell you that these are the industries that need workers they have salaries if you get through this degree you will have money at the end like there's going to be a lag there though as soon as you say like these are the industries where we need people to come do work it's going to take what like 10 years for people to get up to speed in that area and then things better than nothing though right and i think part of it is like why don't we try why do we want to make rational decisions about their future right like why are we also indulging this culture of like you could you could do anything but you then you have to be responsible for the consequences of that

i can't say for sure you know hey we need nurses there's obvious a delay on the other hand nursing is a super flexible career if you're at all interested in the sciences, you could make any kind of career with that, even if initially you go into one specific field. What are we supposed to do with all these kids who just want to be social media influencers and they don't even want to do real jobs? Travel nurses have a huge Instagram. UBI, man. Let's just do UBI. Travel nurses have a huge Instagram.

That's what's coming. That's what's after this. Well, and this is one of the problems, right? People will talk about UBI. One of the, of course, massive flaws with it, not just as a concept, but particularly in this culture, is we don't live in a society where doing things that are necessarily the most useful for the group are the most highly valued. So you're going to have a bunch of people trying to pursue lifestyles and career choices with their UBI that actually don't really help other people.

Yeah, talking about people that are talking about things. People making, like, weed sculptures. Like, you could argue what we're doing right now is talking about people that are talking about things. People making like weed sculptures. Like you could argue what we're doing right now is talking about people that are talking about things. That's not contributing. Well, it's a storytelling. So storytelling is contributing. And if you're good at it, it's extremely contributing to society. But like not everybody, we don't need everybody to be a storyteller.

You only need a small percentage of the world to be fantastic storyteller. I mean, you really don't need, you know, you need people to do things and then the storytellers will tell the story of what you did. Well, I don't think the fact that like the careers that we're in aren't necessarily as high demand as like other things out there. And this actually goes back to trades. Honestly, there are a lot of trades that need people to pursue them because we're running short.

The fact that my particular skill set doesn't mean that I'm in a high demand career doesn't bother me. I just think that if you're 18 and being given information, hey, if you don't want to have the fact that my particular skill set doesn't mean that I'm in a high demand career doesn't bother me. I just think that if you're 18 and being given information, Hey, if you don't want to have debt or if you're going to take on debt, this is a career field you might want to consider because it will allow you to more easily pay it off. Maybe don't study interpretive dance or take a couple of classes on the

side. Like my degree is in, is in, what is my degree in? I have a master of fine arts. That's so funny. Nice. Yeah. and it's in um playwriting i was i studied playwriting uh well that's one of those masters you don't usually

end up getting a huge earning potential with did not get a huge earning potential with that uh but you know perhaps i did or a lot of my classmates did anyway right and now they're all on strike in hollywood, let me tell you something. We've got a huge earning potential, which is why we're going to go over to Super Chats. These transitions have been just incredible tonight. On the other hand, we're going to transition into a new story. That's right.

We're going to hop on over to Super Chats. I feel like Tim on the farm is not nervous for this, at least the transitions of the show. This has been a fun show, you guys. This has been a fun show. And Tim's having fun on the farm, running nervous for this, at least the transitions of his job. This has been a fun show, you guys. This has been a fun show. And Tim's having fun on the farm, running around with the other journalists. I can't wait till he's back from the farm. Yeah, he'll definitely be back.

I want you to know that Tim may like the farm. He may choose to stay there for a little bit longer. Yeah, but he's got a farm here. He'll definitely be back. What about the chickens? Have you ever considered hanging out with another guy wearing a beanie? Do you think it'd be fun to make some new friends? You know what?

This weekend, we are going to go to the skate park, and we are going to pick you out another beanie friend. That's what we're going to do. Just to keep you company while Tim's gone. Yeah, just keep you company for a while while Tim's gone. That is so considerate. Yeah, well, you know, I'm a nice guy. I'm excited for this weekend.

That's why Tim put me in charge here while he was gone. I feel like he didn't put you in charge. You just campaigned endlessly and then he was like Did you campaign? He pushed him up against the wall. I said I begged him. I begged him. I said I can't do this. Please Tim. And he said you have to. He said I need this from you before I go off to the farms.

I'm bigger than I used to be. Exactly. That's right. We have here On the other hand, we have super chats. We do have super chats. I'm not your buddy, guys, as I've spoken to enough leftists. Janelle, that Kamala didn't slip up when she said reduce the population. These people genuinely desire it. What do you all have to say about that?

I thought that was amazing when she said that we should reduce the population for climate change. And I'm pretty sure she means it. And I believe that that's true because she is pro-abortion. She is pro-sterilizing kids through sex changes and she's pro-war. So she's anti-life. She's pro-reducing population

and she thinks we should do it for climate change. Yeah, I mean, by definition, right? If you're, this is so interesting because it depends on how you frame things. When someone says, there are too many people and we need to like,

you know promote methods for poverty relief in the third world such as contraceptive methods like you know that's literally calling for like population control you know what's really good for poverty relief fossil fuels that is what has raised people out of poverty globally for decades and decades and normal nuclear families mom and dad at home together. It's also very good. So we have from Michael, as a Catholic animator of half Irish descent, I'm 50% sure Seamus did not take the spoons. Which part of you is sure? No, he did.

Wait. Watch. Watch him. That's not something I would do. You guys know I wouldn't do something like that. You guys know that's not me. Yeah. Come on.

They were forks. I have never in my life seen anyone in this room use a spoon and I will stand by that see that cheer there you go she just offended me you have it from Hannah Clare I didn't do anything with the spoons she just said that occasionally Ian uses one in his coffee to stir it but I've never seen him eat soup

I don't know I just drink it out of the bowl that's weird because we have a witness saying... I definitely have seen spoons in your coffee. One big wooden spoon. Yeah, I keep using the same one. It doesn't dingle and cling because Luke was getting nuts about it. You got sick of Tim's dingling and

clinging spoons, so you hid them under the house. No, Luke got annoyed with the spoon sounds. Interesting. Now Luke... I wouldn't put it past Luke to steal some spoons. I'm just saying luke rudkowski my mom has really long wooden tasting spoons and not any other kind of normal spoons to cook with yeah so i end up stirring spaghetti in these giant pots with spoons that are like this long and like that much spoon on the end based we have here from avolver Taco. What if some Republican

decided to filibuster the sex ed book for kids and see what happens? Tell me that wouldn't bring some attention to it. I think that's a brilliant idea. Now, here's the thing. That would be public obscenity.

I wouldn't want kids to end up seeing that, but I'm curious about what the response from the media would be. The response would be the same as it's been at school boards when parents show up

and start reading these books out loud to the school board saying, why are you giving this to my fourth grader and the school board says that's too you know that's too graphic and graphic put it back on the shelf we can't listen to that here in the school board and the moms are all like you're giving this to my children isn't that nuts it's too gross to talk about it and show so put it back on the kids shelves so they give it back to the children they can look at it in private like well this is the thing they always want to hide what they're doing from you so this is another example whenever pro-lifers show like a picture of what happens in unborn child in an abortion the left goes you can't show people that like wait the people who do it are heroes

but i can't look at what's being done you know what's kind of interesting when i was in eighth grade so i went through confirmation and at my church, they showed the entire confirmation class, a video of an abortion on a big screen. Just some fun, festive stuff. I mean, it's good. And, uh, you know, I have not been able to be pro abortion ever since. I mean, I really think there is something to giving the information. Like this is very clear.

It's very clear. It was very clear. I still remember it, even though it was black and white's very clear it was very clear i still remember it even though it was black and white but that's the thing like why do we if we're gonna make people make these really difficult intense decisions why aren't we just up front about the consequences i think it's shame honestly it's such a lame thing but i think it's manipulation i think people don't want you to know kind of what's happening probably for war because i was thinking about why don't they show the horrors of war because they want to keep doing it.

Sure. And with abortion... Well, yeah, you look at like war propaganda from back in the day, and it's usually like, we're going to go over there and beat those Germans, and it's going to be...

We're not coming back until it's over over there. And they weren't showing you like the gritty realities of what happened. You can see it on Twitter now. This is the thing. Young men signed up to fight in the First World War in droves

because they were afraid that the war would end before they had the opportunity to be deployed. They thought it was going to be a fun adventure a lot of people signed up to be in the u.s armed forces after 9-11 and that didn't look fun at all i mean we saw people jumping out of buildings absolutely well i think after that but it's interesting because after that point you're right we did have uh films that i think of course couldn't capture the reality of war but

didn't sugarcoat it the way that a lot of propaganda pieces from the past did. But what they still did is they gave young men, and I think Americans in general, a sense of pride and honor in what our military had done in the past. So even though you saw the struggle, it was something that you wanted to be able to own. It was a struggle that you kind of wanted to be yours. And I think that's why so many young men were willing to enlist, even after seeing the horrific reality,

or at least the pale image of the horrific reality that could be captured in a film. And I will say, I think as a society, we have less exposure to death probably. I mean, this isn't true for everybody, but as modern medicine has advanced, you know, you go from hearing stories of like families that have 12 children and only three survive into adulthood.

That happened a lot. It doesn't have to just be war, but the idea that there are consequences, that there is sort of death and destruction around us, at one point was maybe more present. And I am grateful that we have moved past it in a lot of ways. But I do think it is important to acknowledge that there are really difficult things that happen in order for you to sometimes make the choices. And if you are numb to them, then like... That's like Albert Camus talks about having witnessed executions, like public executions.

Yeah. like albert camus talks about having witnessed executions like public executions yeah um that was something like if you used to when when there was capital punishment that would happen in public yeah and now it's very hidden well it's interesting too because that's also part of what makes it a deterrent in a massive way like doing it in public that makes it so much hanged yeah you're like you know maybe i'm not going to do the thing he did that's here's an idea not that right um speaking of crime and criminal behavior i have a very important super chat here from uh noah prunier this is a very important one that i really have to read here uh don't mind here just defending the potato man there's no proof these spoons were stolen personally i'm glad tim what got what was coming to him and got sent to the farm for these baseless accusations. Spoons come and go, but Chimcast is forever.

He didn't get sent to the farm. He chose to go. No, no, no. He got sent to the farm, but it was in his best interest. And he did get what he deserved. Tim was doing a lot of really hard work, and we care about him. So we found a nice farm for him to go to. Did he at least go on the Tesla?

Tim, his head was out the window the whole time. He loved it. I did it yesterday. He's having fun. He's in a better place, you might say. Yes. Thank you. With wind and sun.

And so the thing I want to say about the Super Chat, there's a couple things. Endless skateboarding. I want to point out the numerous ways in which this exonerates me. Firstly, he refers to me as the potato man, which means he has a racist bias against me. And he's still defending me because the evidence is extremely strong in my favor.

So we have a testimony from someone who's actually disinclined to agree with me. They're saying there's no proof I stole the spoons. That's absolutely true. They're glad. They're also happy for Tim that he was sent to the farm. They like Tim. They're glad he was sent to the farm. The proof is in the pudding.

Did you eat the pudding with my spoons? Well, there were like six spoons in the pudding i didn't i didn't do it i had nothing to do i don't even eat pudding that's a good point yeah there we go yeah no shimcast is forever i appreciate lame joke that i just made by the listen i would have gone for it i actually would have gone for it stupid jokes are my favorite i would have done the same thing do you guys think i've got low energy today or is it more settling no no no you're in a good spot listen dude you're working out you're getting amped one of the side effects is you make a dad joke every now and again you know why because you're working on that dad bod baby getting ripped thanks brother that's right um we have michael beacon uh to the bloomberg writer emphasizing the difference between ebophilia and pedophilia is never

a good look. Agreed. Also, check out Inkslayer Entertainment on the Discord, Showcase, and the .com. Thank you so much for your chat. Inkslayer. It's kind of funny because this person sent the article out being like, I just wrote this piece. Hope you guys check it

out. I worked really hard on it. And it's like, we should defend the pedophiles. Give would be i think very unlikely i think that must be so weird for like his circle to be like wow um for you interesting yeah i think defending the pedophiles is always a bad look always and also a bad for society really expose the pedophiles and i mean expose the way they think that will help people not to become them. Or will it encourage other people to become them?

I'm taking a stab in the dark. I don't know. But we haven't tried it yet so maybe. But I mean locking them up forever seems to work. So we should keep doing that.

Like El Salvador. They locked up how many people did they lock up in El Salvador? Like 30,000 people. They now have a very they went from like the highest murder rate to like As it turns out like as it turns out jails work yeah you know

putting people in jail actually works um we have from james hates everything dot ml is an easy fix at the server you can set up uh excuse me uh mallard table to redirect any dot ml to mil or better yet to uh yet an infosec box to scream at the sender see this is somebody who should probably be working at the pentagon right no he's too confident you could have taken any emails that they accidentally sent to mal not malaysia molly and then you could have them redirected to the military from them all those computers like an auto redirect yeah or you could have it sent back to them and be like, what are you doing? Stop! This is Molly. We have from Captain Titus on the Pentagon issue.

You can 100% block addresses to a firewall so all internal emails can go to that particular extension. Okay, so is everyone who watches TimCast smarter than everyone at the Pentagon? It should be, yeah. It's much smarter than the Pentagon. I just pulled the quote at the Pentagon? It kind of sounds like... Wait, wait, I just pulled the quote. I just pulled the quote from the Pentagon.

It says, while it's not impossible to implement technical controls preventing the use of personal email accounts for government business, the department continues to provide direction and training to DOD personnel. That's going super... The office of the DOD CIO oversees this matter. So they're saying like, we have an issue. We can't totally figure out how to stop it. We think that there could be a technical solution, but we're still trying to train people on what not to do.

But did they insinuate they're letting people use their private or personal emails to work at the Pentagon? Yeah. Just like Hillary Clinton. Then that's why they weren't able to change the way that the things were directing. Cause they're letting them use like Google. Yeah.

That is so ridiculous. But what they're saying is like we're still working on training them to add the I to the end of this. That shouldn't be like a big training. You know what? Because they have plenty of DEI training. They have plenty of like LGBT orientation training, but they can't tell them how to do their jobs correctly.

They want to end the QIA to that one. They're like, we have to have eyes in everything so these people remember. We have from Project Addicton says the cartoonist should be renamed Spoonin' On Shaman? Are you kidding me?

Spoonin' On a Shaman? I think that's a derogatory reference to the QAnon Shaman. Jacob Chansley. Thank you for using that's uh in that's a derogatory reference to the the q anon shaman so jacob chancely i just thank you for using the proper name and i think that my proper name should be used because here's the deal this spoon and on label that has been thrown at me by those in the establishment who are threatened by the fact that i'm speaking truth and only know how to dismiss things by calling them conspiracy theories is really a worse look for them than it is for me. You can't delegitimize every single counterfactual

that I put out there against Tim's narrative, which upholds my innocence by calling me Spoonin' On Forever. Can I have a follow-up question? Yeah, go ahead. When is your movie Sound of Spoon-Dum coming out? I just can't wait to see it. We're working on it. I also want to point something out.

Of course, there is no proof that you stole the spoons, Seamus, but there is a heavy amount. You can stop. No, you're good. I think you've said enough. I believe you. I believe that Tim had no spoons, and then you brought them back. Or you brought them in, I should say, from elsewhere.

And that's all the data we have at this point. I'm not commenting on the particulars of the situation at this point other than to say that I am innocent. We have from, excuse me, I'm going to try to pronounce this uh aemt i don't know if they want me to say like amped or you know i think it's aemt 2020 you're right where's your confidence that's a good point all this spoon questioning because these wonderful these wonderful people are are giving us their hard-earned money. I want to get their Monica Rice. You want to get their spoons right.

This is... Oh my gosh. Went to the movies tonight and saw Sound of Freedom. It's sold out in their town. I don't want to dox them. So we saw Indiana Jones instead. It's all over the place and no one's motives are clear. Everyone just wants the dial. What have the box office numbers been for i think they broke a hundred am i is that right i know they broke

50 million i'll look it up last week and then um one of my as you're looking it up one of my mom my mom just texted me she's like hey that movie you were telling me about my friend just came over and told me i should go see it i was like you should it is wild uh word of mouth thing has been so interesting to me. And it's actual. If you saw the Avengers movie, you're like, it's great. You should see it. I would probably not go.

It's interesting that this movie that people know is kind of heavy, they're still willing to go see when it's recommended to them. I'm seeing earned over $85 million since it opened on July 4th, according to Box Office Mojo. Is that really recent? That was through this weekend, I believe. And does that include the pay it forward I would imagine

that counts towards the box office I could be incorrect about that it was a joy to have Tim Ballard on the show I interviewed him

when he premiered the film in DC he was really an exceptional human being extremely just very mild mannered

very humble dude if I if I was out there doing that I'd be like yeah that's me i'm the one who stops the pedos i'm the one doing the thing and all of you humble about it he's so humble he's like part of a process i actually asked him about that same question that the um that the berlatsky prostasia guy was talking about like the difference between

you know human like trafficking and all of that stuff and i i was asking him about how the left is trying to say uh that stranger danger is not a big deal and that all of this happens at home um and he was like yeah i mean of course exploitation can come from anywhere this is what i was working on you know um but he's of course aware of all that stuff he's aware of that framing yeah he's i mean one thing that the one thing they mentioned while they were here was just what a bold choice it was to release the film on the fourth of july because all the biggest films in the country tend to be released around that date uh and they did and man they're crushing they're crushing so go see it so go see sound of freedom we're not going to stop plugging it till it's not in theaters anymore i might even see it

again honestly that movie was wild um So, Cam Girl Asuna. I don't like that name. Yeah, it's a little weird. Never attribute to stupidity that which can be adequately explained by Michael Malice. That's also fair. Did Michael Malice have something to do with this? Michael Malice, you... The spoon thing?

Just any of the stuff. Speaking of Michael Malice, I just tweeted at him yesterday. I'm concerned that the pharmaceutical industry is going to start telling people to get white-pilled. He just wrote the book. This is another dad joke, and I'm here for it. I'm afraid because they're going to be like, did you take your white pill yet? Are you white-pilled? And then they'll show their pharma med, and I'm like, oh, no.

I love bad jokes. You're like a whole new person with these extra calories and these workout routines. Look at me. I'm lighting up. Yeah, just wait. Do you feel better? No, not yet. I feel kind of bloated because I'm trying to pack in 2,800 calories and I've only got

1,700. Why 2,800? That's a lot. It's a lot because I'm trying to gain 15 pounds in two weeks. That doesn't sound healthy, Ian. No, it's two pounds a week for six weeks. Okay, that's different. Okay, that sounds slightly better.

2,800 calories. Did you buy new clothes yet? No, not yet. Not yet. Yikes. I'm going to stretch out my mediums. I think so. So we have T-Rock754 said,

our society fell when tolerance was embraced as a core virtue. Tolerating immorality is not virtuous. Why haven't conservatives had any guts that's a fantastic question i've talked about this a lot i think part of it is because conservatives have their own set of vices that they don't want anyone to criticize so they'll say something like oh like homosexuality is bad or transgenderism is bad but they like totally reject the telos of sex themselves because they won't stand out and speak up against contraceptives and so they have their own skeletons in their closet and that makes them them feel like, who am I to judge?

Who am I to say that anything is wrong in this arena? Because I'm also doing something sexually immoral. I think that's a huge part of it. I don't think that's the only thing. They've also been shamed. One thing the left has been brilliant at, and I mentioned this earlier, is firstly, they try to claim any negative behavior is totally impossible to avoid. Some people are always going to do it.

We need to give an outlet for it. And the other thing they do is they turn everything into a race analog. So whenever someone's doing something that we broadly accept is not good, they try to claim that the people doing said thing were born with a proclivity for that thing so that any criticism of them

is actually a criticism of their immutable characteristics, which they had at birth, which is essentially something that they do so that they can find a way to recapture the civil rights era nostalgia and play with the framing of these are just people who were bornophilia and not the pedophile. I mean, I will criticize a pedophile, but I focus on the behavior because if you go at the person, they're just going to tell you, hey, don't blame me for who I am. So I really focus on behavior. Well, but I think focusing on the behavior is why we should say that behavior is awful.

We got to lock them up rather than like we have to understand this person and like why they're doing this. Say that again. So, because earlier you were arguing, I really want to focus on these people and why they're doing this but but i i think that's that conflicts with what you've just said um about focusing on the behavior not the person like if you want to redirect someone's moral structure

don't go at them and they're they're doing go at the behavior itself put it out there so that they can look at it with you well i think it's also important to help people understand like when you do something it's it's proper to label you with that thing and then ideally people like don't want a horrible label and then they they don't i'm not saying that's the only factor like oh if we tell someone that this thing is bad they won't they won't want to do it but we're also in a culture where we say things like just because somebody did something once like doesn't mean that's who they are that can be true depending on how heinous the thing is like you can if you stole something once that's wrong i don't think you're a thief forever right you can repent and you can repent of anything to be fair and well that's the

that's the catholic way exactly and and that said of course if you've committed a heinous crime you still have to turn yourself in you still have to do your time you still have to stay away from children these people should still be locked up forever even if they can be forgiven by god right uh but but my greater point with this is when someone does something repeatedly they're engaging it's habitual we still don't feel comfortable saying that this is something that it's appropriate for society to label this person as like i don't know i think if you're stealing something all i think if you're stealing things all the time it's okay to call you a thief like i think it is okay to let people know that their actions come to define this is a good one man so there's also too, though, where just because you do bad things

doesn't mean you can't point out that other people do bad things. That's also very true. I would agree. Jesus does talk about this, what is it, the plank in your own eye before you remove the splinter from the others.

But I do think that we can say, and the way that you can say that, the way that you can say you're doing a bad thing is you can say, these are the appropriate values. This is the appropriate way to behave. We all make mistakes, still behave this way, even though we're all going to screw up.

You know, so it's not about like pointing fingers, but it is about establishing and maintaining a morality in society. And we used to have that. Yeah. And we have completely dispensed with a collective understanding of right and wrong it's like all the global moralities have meshed into this weird thing part of it is that phrase live and let live i find this huge conservative thing too because like the idea is you're not going to just go around criticizing everyone's just going to do their own thing but yeah yeah i understand the fear of like forcing your way of life out of someone

because you want to maintain freedom but i do think that without a collective understanding of values it's impossible to maintain we also have like a civil religion yeah exactly we would all behave in the appropriate way and we wouldn't cross those lines you wouldn't go over to your neighbor's house and take their child yeah hopefully not now people call cps because they see your kid walking home from school by themselves someone told me this story that you're on a podcast of someone who had been like an RA in college. You know, everything's going fine. And then this one girl comes to her and is crying. And she's like, I just found out that my roommate, you know, it's like into the second semester.

My roommate's been using my toothbrush and is obviously super grossed out and upset. Who behaves this way? And apparently when they talked to the girl, the other girl was like, my family all shares a toothbrush. Like, I didn't realize that wasn't something I was supposed to do. Which I think that's crazy. Morality is subject crazy. Now, are you sure?

Like, this is, you hear stories like this, you're like, it is okay to force your beliefs on other people. A whole family shouldn't use the same toothbrush. That's my thing. Then that's okay. I feel like it's okay to be like, no, we all collectively, everyone gets their own toothbrush. We reject this idea. I guess that's very communist of you. That is, I guess. It's actually capitalist. The communists would say it's okay to be like, no, we all collectively, everyone gets their own toothbrush. We reject this idea. I guess that's very communist of you.

That is, I guess. It's actually capitalist. The communists would say it's our toothbrush. I'm dropped up by the big dental corporations. That's right. I guess there's like the morality is essentially subjective to the culture of which it's built, but, or Brent, but you've got the Ten Commandments. Like there are some moralities like don't kill people.

Because if you did that, everyone would be gone. You'd lose everybody. So you can't, and that's not even a moral thing. It's just like a structurally functional thing. I don't want to waste time on it.

Yeah, no, I mean, it's all of the above. It's moral. It's functional. But AJ Cooke, well, you want to say something, Anna Claire? Did you super chat it?

If you want to say something, super chat it and I'll read it, all right? I think we should move on to Brimcast. I'm tired of Brimcast. It's happening. No.

Only night one, you guys. Take the headphones off. It's only night the table we'll see how this goes uh no i was just gonna say this toothbrush story really weirds me out i've been thinking about it for days what a violation to find out someone that you like are not like you don't know this girl in your dorm has been using your toothbrush and i find this to be like such a good example of why it's important to have common values and understanding of what's appropriate and what's not. That's a boundaries situation. I would suspect there are probably other boundaries that have not been properly placed in that family

if they're all using the same toothbrush. That's just my speculation that I think maybe these are people who don't have a healthy sense. I was thinking the underwear thing too. Are they sharing underwear? Are they sharing these forks? What did this girl do when she went to sleepovers with her friend? She was just like toothbrushes toothbrushes

do you guys wash laundry with other people in your household I mean maybe with your kids you would but like I put all the laundry

in the same pile all in one pile yeah because the smells you know it's like are you going to take that leap because once you go in you're like

you're never coming back it's a commitment level it's like do you mix your books when you like get married yeah exactly I want to it's a big trust ball I'm sorry are you going to host the show that's right, do you mix your books when you get married? Yeah, exactly. It's a big trust ball.

I'm sorry, Shane. Are you going to host the show? That's right, yeah. Thank you, guys. AJ Cook says, hey, Libby. This one's for you, Libby. Oh, wow. I get a super chat.

The super chat wants to talk to you. He's saying, hey, Libby, you saw that Noah Berlatsky did a negative review of SOF. I ran across your old Postmillennial article on him while doing my write-up for Valiant News. I've been a fan of yours since I first read it years ago. Keep on fighting. Aw, thanks. What's SOF? I appreciate it. Sound of Freedom. Yeah, I wrote that piece this morning after

I read the Bloomberg, and I'd been writing on Berlatsky a couple of times, actually. Who is this? Because I did find it shocking. I found it shocking that a an organization exists to support pedophiles i found that really surprising that's a boundary for you you're against it i thought that that was just a little too much you know i just thought that was too much yeah supporting pedophiles and supporting pedophilia are different they haven't

i understand i don't think so i understand feel like they're not. I can understand how you can see that there is a difference there. And, you know, basically I am now so, what is it? Probably conditioned by online fact checkers

that I try and be as precise as possible. But I do think that if you're supporting pedophiles, you're supporting their actions and you're supporting pedophilia. Well, because that's what the left, the left absolutely detests the logic that you love the sinner and hate the sin. So whenever they start saying, oh, we like these people who have this proclivity, given the left wing framework, that always means you affirm their actions.

The left wing narrative is that it is not possible to truly love somebody and disagree with their actions or disagree with the things they're inclined to do so when they say oh no no we just want to help pedophiles we just like pedophiles not pedophilia wrong because every single time you say you like a group what you're saying is we like their behavior and how dare you criticize that's the problem unless it's a conservative in your family in which case you're supposed to shun them at Thanksgiving and throw your wine in their face. But that's my point. There's no distinction on the left.

Bucko's in the house. What? Is he in a hat? He's hanging out. He's coming to you. It's just interesting. The left is never, ever able to distinguish between people and behavior. If you're a conservative, you have conservative views, you're an evil, horrible person.

If you're somebody who has an inclination towards homosexual behavior well that means you have to engage in homosexual behavior and if i dislike that homosexual behavior that means i hate you so conservatives hate them so when they start saying oh no no we're not saying we support pedophilia because we support pedophiles bs that's that's not how they view proclivities or what it means to love or care for someone in any other context so i don't buy it i think when i don't buy it if i were to say like i support murderers i don't that wouldn't mean that i say that yeah i wouldn't say it personally but if i was trying to truly support someone that had murdered it would be to be a emotional support structures for them to find love so that they

never murder again that's real support not yeah you go do whatever you do it's like blind i'm not blindly encouraging them to do things. Real, true, you know, love. Bucko's coming in to check on us. Home skillet. Yeah. Okay, this is a very cute little cat. So it's good to see our little lad in here.

But we're going to take it over to the after show, which will be on the- Wait, can I pimp the Postmillennial first? Well, yeah, give me a second. Just, am I, I'm sorry, are you hosting a show right now? Sorry, is this Edmund's cast? My goodness. Let's do that one. Let's do that. If we, we we're gonna take it to the after show all right at 10 10 o'clock around 10 10 uh we're going to be having the member show you guys will be able to call in and ask

your questions so go over there and check it out and uh hey libby is there anything you wanted to shout out there is listen if i don't shout out the post-millennial i hear about it do you know that i hear look i wasn't going to deprive you the opportunity i got to shout out? There is. Listen, if I don't shout out the Postmillennial, I hear about it. Do you know that? I hear about it. Look, I wasn't going to deprive you of the opportunity. I got to shout it out on War Room this morning. That was fun, too. Hey, tell us about the Postmillennial. I am now shouting out the Postmillennial.

Now you're on SimCast. Check out thepostmillennial.com. You can subscribe to the Postmillennial at thepostmillennial.com slash subscribe. Also, check out Human Events, where I'm working with Jack Posobiec and Charlie Kirk, a whole bunch of other great people. And you can find me on Twitter at Libby Emmons. Wonderful. Thank you.

Thank you, Seamus. I appreciate it so much. Yeah, no, I was happy to have you on my show. I have loved being on your show. Thank you. I'm glad you stopped by. Me too. I'm glad you stopped by.

Hannah Clare? Hi, I'm Hannah Clare Brimlow. I'm a writer for TimCast.com. You should go to TimCast.com, click on the read tab, see all the stuff from us, from me, our other journalists. Follow at TimCastNews on Twitter and Instagram. It's the best, although I'm also a fan of Postmillennial. If you want to follow me personally,

you can find me on Instagram at HannahClaire.b and on Twitter at HCBrimlow. Excellent night one, Seamus. Round of applause. Thank you, thank you. We're going to have Shimcast all week. Ian, you want to shout anything out? Bucko's drinking the water out of my cup, out of my hand. I love him.

That is so sweet. You guys, a few weeks ago we were very afraid for Bucko because there was this, we didn't know at the time, we didn't put it together, but there's this giant cloud of like burning benzene and like smoke coming from Canadian wildfires and God knows, maybe East Palestine, but it was he looked like he was going to die. Bucko was like

gasping for air. Everyone thought this is it. He was in a bad spot. He's dead. And we, so we freaked out. We took him but it was, he looked like he was going to die. Bucko was like gasping for air. Everyone thought this is it. He was in a bad spot. He's dead. And so we freaked out. We took him to the vet and the next day he was fine. Like the gas cloud passed

and he livened back up. So now, you know, we took him to the pharma. They're like, hey, well, we see he's got some issues. Let's put him on all these. And we're like, I'm struggling with, do we use pharma? Pharma wants, wanted us to euthanize him. He's obviously healthy.

He's drinking water, hanging out with us. He sleeps well. He eats well. I want to like, I truly, I believe he can heal. He can rest. I mean, nothing's perfect. And obviously we're all going to die someday, but I want to give this guy the best quality of life.

So support me and support Bucko and his longevity. I'm going to go grab him before he pees. Bye everyone. All right, Serge. Yeah, we did it, I guess. It's been a long week, but I'm Serge.com. I hope you guys enjoyed it. What was that?

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