Timcast IRL - Timcast IRL #827 Biden DOJ Files NEW Trump INDICTMENT For Trying To Wipe Server w/Angel Studios

Episode Date: July 28, 2023

Tim, Ian, Hannah Claire, & Serge join The Harmon Brothers of Angel Studios to discuss Trump being indicted (again) for destruction of security footage, Vox publishing an article saying watching Sound Of Freedom is just as bad as actual child trafficking, Bud Light announcing massive layoffs, & the disturbing TikTok trends sweeping across America. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Donald Trump has been indicted again. And you're going to love this, everybody. He's being indicted by the Biden DOJ for trying to wipe a server. I kid you not. It is beautiful irony. And I'm just, I got to be honest, I'm very, very glad they did it. Because, you know, it's only going to be a matter of days, maybe, maybe hours, until Hillary Clinton gets indicted for actually having her server deleted and

phone smashed with hammers. Now, I suppose the reason they're indicting Trump for this is so they can make the argument that, hey, you claimed for years that wiping a server was a criminal act, and here's Trump trying to do it. Now you have to be against Trump. But it actually does the inverse. Now I'm going to be like, you said no reasonable prosecutor would bring charges against Hillary, so clearly you are not reasonable prosecutors.

Right now we got this big story about Hunter Biden. They tried sneaking in an unprecedented blanket immunity deal for Hunter on all charges. And the judge caught it. Yeah, see, this is what they're doing. The Biden DOJ corrupt as they come. And we're watching it happen in real time. So we'll talk about that. Plus, ladies and gentlemen, Anheuser-B bush is laying off hundreds of people this is crazy that's how bad it's been

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to call in and talk to our guests the reason why i think it's gonna be so great as we talk about the parallel economy is that joining us today smash the like button is the harman brothers uh these are the guys behind sound of freedom's distribution and angel studios do you guys want to introduce yourselves? Sure. Neil Harmon. I'm a co-founder and CEO of Angel Studios. You can carry the mic around with you. Oh, great, great.

Yeah, Neil Harmon, co-founder and CEO of Angel Studios. And I'm Jeff Harmon, also co-founder. And there's another Harmon brother back there. We just don't have enough space, so we got another Harmon brother. There are three more. There's three more. There's too many. Holl three more too many Harmon brothers but you guys are the founders of Angel Studios

this is amazing, parallel economy we've got to build our own spaces build our own culture you guys just had a smashing success with Sound of Freedom we're big fans so right on, do you want to mention anything about the studio so people can understand and get started so Angel means ownership Angel investors So right on. Do you want to mention anything about the studio so people can understand and get started?

So Angel means ownership. Angel investors were the first to invest in Broadway, right? They were the ones who made those shows possible. And it's the same thing here. We've got over 100,000 people who've invested in the shows that we've done dry bar comedy the chosen tuttle twins sound of freedom the people are bringing these shows to market right on well it's going to be fun we certainly will talk about that there's this funny article from vox where they said sound of free sound of freedom is as dark and dangerous as child trafficking itself which is the most psychotic and

insane thing but i love it because sound of Freedom was originally owned by Disney, right? It was made by Fox, I think. Yes. And then you guys secured the distribution rights. Is that how it went down? Yeah. So Fox originally made it. Then Disney acquired Fox.

And then the producer, Eduardo Verastegui, who was here, he managed to get it out of Disney. And then we got the rights. Who knew that Fox was so into QAnon? I know. That's crazy. Can you believe Fox was so into QAnon? I know. That's crazy. Can you believe it? That's a lot of sense.

Yeah. Wow. They did it before it was a thing. They invented it. I'll hit with them. Maybe. We also have Hannah Clare Brimelow hanging out. Hi, I'm Hannah Clare Brimelow.

I'm a writer for TimCast.com. I'm so happy to be here with you guys. And Ian's here also. Yes, I am. I'm very excited to be here with you guys. Great to finally meet. Been a long time coming, so let's roll this ball down the hill.

Indeed we shall. IamSurg.com Gonna be a fun one, guys. Pleasure to meet you. Here's the big news today. We were all waiting eagerly to hear about the potential indictments. It was presumed that Trump would be indicted on something related to January 6th, but instead, this is the most

ironic and hilarious thing. The Daily Mail reports, Trump accused of trying to delete the Mar-a-Lago server and wipe surveillance footage in bombshell new indictment. Ex-president hit with more charges and head of club's maintenance is also implicated in classified documents case. The long story short of it, Trump apparently told some guy he wanted,

they say, the former president allegedly told aides to wipe security footage from his Florida club server as a way to foil investigators probing the removal of classified documents from the White House. See, that's an opinion statement. They're making an accusation. Just because Trump wanted a server with security footage wiped doesn't mean he intended to commit a crime by doing so. It's been like, oh, we're going to do a routine, like, wipe of the servers. But I digress. Carlos D. Oliveira,

Mar-a-Lago's head of maintenance, has been named as the third defendant alongside the former president and his valet, Walt Nauta. Both developments present additional legal jeopardy for the former president, who spent part of Thursday, blah, blah, blah. Just imagine this. Imagine this. It's been years since they outright said they will not indict Hillary Clinton for actually deleting public record, for having phones smashed with hammers.

So you're sitting there as Trump and you're like, we're totally allowed to do this. Comey himself said it. Okay, well, you know, wipe the server, I guess. Ah, nope, now they got you. Now you're going to be criminally charged and arrested. Sounds like they're having it actually feels like they're having fun that they are like you know let's just get him let's get trump on what what hillary didn't get on it'll be just just just desserts for donald trump i don't know if that's true it's hard for me

not to look at it and think you know now that they're arresting his head of maintenance and his ally they're trying to make him feel guilty for putting regular people in harm's way. Like they are trying everything to get him to take a plea deal to sort of bow down to this. It seems kind of sick. Man, I just was thinking of Hillary when Donald Trump was on stage with her and he was like, you'd be if I was president, you'd be in jail. They just never forget. They never forget.

One of the best debate moments in modern history. I think that's the reason why they're trying to put him them in jail right now because they're like you do not do that to the democratic party in public you do not say those things directly to hillary clinton in public unless you want to face the wrath is what this feels like i mean it just republicans sit around doing nothing and democrats are lobbying molotov cocktails figuratively and literally in new york they quite literally did and now they're trying to arrest republican electors they're charging them with felonies they're indicting trump again they're going after his maintenance guy i just it just kind of feels

like the republican party is sitting there going oh no or they're they're in on it they're they're what can they do? Republicans? Exactly. So in, say, a Republican state like West Virginia, where you have Republican DAs, they can start criminally charging Democrats. They can say, hey, hold on there a minute. You just fight fire. Is it fighting fire with fire? Barack Obama, Joe Biden, do any of the crimes they've committed extend to the jurisdiction of these conservative or Republican, or even in some cases like Republican libertarian counties or districts? The answer is, of course, yes, absolutely. Joe Biden, for instance, there was already talk from Republicans about potentially bringing charges against Joe Biden, because if he's operating out of certain territories or certain areas, I mean, a lot of

these people have property in Florida, right? Ron Deis and the florida da's could be going after people but not a single not a single da not a single republican anywhere has come up with any reason or has found any crime committed look but they are they're like um isn't congress about to impeach biden no they're kind of throwing back they're're not. They're not? No. Did they say that? Kevin McCarthy said, this may reach the level of an impeachment inquiry. Okay. All right.

I just heard that like two days ago. And they say these things so that you hear they're going to impeach Biden. When what he actually said is, we might ask the question, should Biden be impeached? We might think about it. We might. Okay. They're not even asking, should Biden be impeached? We might think about it. We might. They're not even asking, should Biden be impeached?

They're saying, if this keeps happening, we might have to ask each other if this reaches a level of impeachment. I mean, I think you asked a good question. What do we do? Or what do people do in general? How do you fight back against the machine? I don't. Well, it's the judicial system, right? You would think so.

But then I see Sam Bankman Freed released today from his charge, and he's walking out. He's a $10 billion scam, and he's going free. Hillary Clinton didn't get charged for emails. James Comey said she did nothing wrong. Hunter Biden had a pat on the wrist. Of course, that may be no longer the case with some of the charges maybe being put back on the table. But it feels like using the legal system to disrupt the people that are at the top of the legal system isn't the best method.

So how do we? I mean, I like to make culture resilient. Building culture. So, yeah, yeah. Well, we went through this because we were sued by Disney, and we learned pretty quickly that fighting the lawsuit with Disney in Los Angeles is not a place you want to be. So we were handed all kinds of crazy, crazy,

like our trial, for example, we had someone who was going to come testify from Google that we had gone to work with Google to try to get licensing to be able to skip stuff in TV shows and movies. And the judge said last minute, this person can't testify. The morning of, right? Morning of. And those decisions are decided 30 days in advance.

Yep. And then after that, the judge lets Disney testify Google's motives with their expert. So crazy, crazy stuff. And so we just decided we've got to get out of court as fast as we possibly can and fight in the marketplace. That's one place where we feel like we still can fight. And we settled in 2020. And our company, you know, when we were sued, we did like $8 million. And here we are.

We have a formerly Disney film that is winning in the market like 130 million people that don't know about your lawsuit did you really quickly explain like what was the lawsuit or what what's public about it so the way that we started angel studios is 10 years ago four brothers and a cousin we had young kids like nine under. And we wanted to watch really great, compelling stories, but have them match values. Like my nine-year-old, I didn't want him to go and speak to his sisters in certain ways when they were young. And so we created this technology that would allow you to skip, you know, skip certain language or skip nudity or whatever. And we thought if we launch this technology, we're going to collect a group of people

who care about storytelling and care about family. And then we'll be able to distribute new stories to these people better than Hollywood can. So that was the original vision. So we built the filtering technology, the skipping technology. 2016, it started to succeed and then we got sued. And then, uh, 2020, we settled and then we pivoted to, during that lawsuit, we pivoted to

creating our own stories. You, you said you settled for 8 million. Is that what you said? It was like 7.8. Uh, uh, uh, so it was a 62 and a half million dollar, um, judgment. And they basically said, we'll forgive that if you'll pay for some of our legal fees. And, uh, and we settled in 2020. So our thought process was after fighting for four and a half years and Disney had probably spent, they'd spent tens of millions of dollars trying to destroy Angel.

And we had spent millions of dollars trying to fight back it was just we got to get out of their game we can't fight inside of the system well and they cannot spend you that's one of the challenges in the legal system and the whole entire hollywood system knows that this downtown la court they call it the bank like they call it like it's called the bank because you can just take anybody there and get money out if you're a hollywood studio and so the the and and we we actually got hit really hard by disney and so there there was this this moment where you're just realizing you can't fight them on their ground we just got to opt out of this system and build an entire parallel studio system to the current Hollywood system

or else we can't rise up through their system. So how did you, so people don't know you guys, the Harmon brothers do commercial work too. You guys have done a lot of like the squatty potty stuff. You did the rainbow poop coming out of the unicorn commercial iconic. So did you take your like private money and then you were able to rebuild after the settlement or like how did you

come back from it basically because i think a lot of people might think you get grounded to dust just well i mean we almost did yeah and we don't know of a company who's a startup that has survived from a disney lawsuit so we we feel very grateful but um one thing that happened is we had two major successes while we were in bankruptcy through going through the lawsuit dry bar comedy which gets over a billion views a year it's stand-up comedy that's funny for everyone um and then the chosen which is like a top five tv series um and we just started growing like crazy during this lawsuit and, uh, and then Disney and, and, and then we had a trustee during the bankruptcy who was in charge of her company. We had to file bankruptcy.

Yes. But yeah, to protect us from Disney, there's a chapter 11 bankruptcy has this format where you can actually use it as a shield against a predator. So we used bankruptcy to protect us from Disney. Yes. against a predator so we used bankruptcy to protect us from Disney yes and and then as soon as they as soon as the trustees saw how fast we were growing with this parallel system that we were building he said to the judge these guys are gonna be able to pay off the entire 62 million dollars and Disney said wait

wait a second we actually don't want to be paid back. We just, you know. Just put them into chapter seven. Yeah, just put them into chapter seven and the judge is like, oh, you guys aren't acting in your own financial interest. I can't trust you anymore. Why didn't they want to be paid back? Because they wanted us dead.

They wanted us, chapter seven is liquidation. They wanted all our assets sold off. They wanted the judge to say, you don't have 62 million today, so sell everything off. And then we get what's left. But the trustee said, no, these guys are growing so fast.

They're going to be able to pay off this whole $62 million. I just need a plan plus interest. And Disney's like, no, that's not what we want. And- Wow. Disney's like, no, thank you.

Please no. They're like, no, we don't want to be paid off. And the judge is like, why the thank you. Please, please no. They're like, no, we don't want to be paid off. And the judge is like, why? The whole point of chapter 11 bankruptcy or chapter 7 is you're supposed to want to get paid back, not just destroy a company. Right. And so he said, I'm not going to let you do that. And then he threw it out or what?

No, no, no. Then Disney said, no, okay, we'll settle. If you guys won't ever use your technology to filter our stuff again, we'll forgive the $62 million you guys pay. Part of our legal fees. Part of the legal fees. And we'll call it good. We just went, like I said, like Jeffrey said,

we have 100,000 people who have invested, who helped make the content decisions. We went to our investors and we said, guys, we told you we'd fight this all the way. We have this chance that we can just go after original storytelling. Instead of skipping over Hollywood stuff, we make our own stuff. We tell our own stories and we control those stories. What do you guys want to do? Do you want to fight this all the way or do you want to tell our own stories? And 84% of our people said, let's just go tell the stories. And then we offered to buy out the rest of them did you get inspired during the court process to start your own storytelling so

actually we thought about doing our own storytelling at the beginning that's the only reason jeffrey's involved yeah i i told neil when he came to me neil and jordan came to me and they were like let's build this system that skips and mutes content in movies and i was like uh that happened a while back and everybody there's like 14 companies that did this and every single one got sued out of existence but how what's the what's the grounds for suing um it's copyright copyright arguments but it seems weird because if i had a movie on at home and i skipped it that's not copyright but if you have a technology that does it because the technology uses there's a there's a uh a law called the family movie act of 2005 that allows you to

skip and mute content that's transmitted over the internet we read that and said that means as long as the customers bought the content and as long as they make the choices then as long as they're making the choices then we can provide technology to skip and mute content. Disney came in and said, no, the DMCA, you're decrypting. Oh, I don't, Neil, Neil can explain it better. I think the best way to explain it was this. The Ninth Circuit basically said, we see VidAngel's argument. That was your company. Yeah, our company at the time was called VidAngel.

That sounds like a good thing. We see it. This is a novel interpretation of the law. We also see Disney's argument. And it just so happens if we go with VidAngels, there's a big hole in copyright law. Yeah. So we can't do that.

We're going to go with Disney. And we're like, wait a second. The Family Movie Act was like an exemption under the copyright law. Why is that a hole? It is a hole. It's designed as a hole. It's designed to be an exemption.

But we weren't going to win in that court. We weren't going to win in that system. What if you open source technology and just release it to the wind? We actually did set up a foundation in the middle of the lawsuit and announced that. And Disney came screaming to the courts and saying that they needed to seize

the company from us before we let any assets out of the company. What's that? Well, we were just asking the court if they would let us do it and Disney stopped it. Wait, so you're saying the technology,

which seems completely honest in today's day and age, pretty simple pretty simple yeah is is not available i mean there's got to be open source versions of this so we settled and we sold vid angel yeah off and it still works you can you can it just doesn't work for disney it just does not work for disney or warner brothers yeah so like two of the biggest producers of children's content that you would maybe want to use this for. Yeah. Weird.

So hold on. But it's doing well. You can't run a plug-in on your own browser watching movies? Is that what it is? Yeah. So you can. But you can't. But you can't do it with a modern streaming device. So you can't do it through your iPad.

You can't do it through your Roku, iPhone, all those things. You can do it through a VHS tape? You can do it on a browser. You can do it like through your Roku, iPhone, all those things. You can do it through a VHS tape? You can do it on a browser. You can do it through a Chrome browser with an extension. But you can't get it on an iPhone or something? Yeah. Because it would have to... Any modern device you wouldn't be able to do it with.

I guess technically if you used Chrome on your phone to watch, which would not be as good as the streaming app. Chrome on your phone doesn't support extensions. Right. So what you're saying is the thing app. Chrome on your phone doesn't support extensions. Right. So, so, so what you're saying is the thing that you made actually would go between an app.

Yeah. It would basically, it would basically go like, if you have your Netflix account, you'd tie your Netflix account to vid angel and it would go and it would be you. You'd make your choices. You'd say,

Oh, I want to skip nudity. And then it would go up and it would in the cloud, it contact your netflix account get your get get your get your netflix stream skip it and send it down to your you know your iphone or for to your roku or whatever and that you know that's the only way it could be done on a modern streaming device and you know for it was like 14 of the market is on on a desktop, and 86% of the market at the time was all on streaming devices. So that's how we delivered the technology. Right, right, right.

Well, I get it. I get it. Yeah. When you guys settled, and then you bounced, did you bounce out of California after that? Are you still sticking around, Cali? We're in Utah. Okay, so you were never based in California?

That's just where the lawsuit happened? Yeah. So what happened? After you settled, what was the impetus for the next generation of Harmon? Of Angel Studios? Yeah. Yeah. So after we settled, we bought Angel.com, and then we rebranded as Angel Studios, Angel

being investor. We had Drybar. We had The Chosen. Yeah. And then we just started expanding. Yeah. Tuttle Twbar, we had The Chosen, and then we just started expanding. Tuttle Twins, which you can see I'm sporting right here. The Winged Feather Saga, which is fantasy. Tuttle Twins is like a freedom education thing for kids. From Ron Paul, right?

Yeah. Yeah, it fit in that world. And then you've got Sound of Freedom now. Which is fun because we went through all this battle and Fox was acquired by Disney during our lawsuit. And this parallel story was happening. And then we ended up with the rights to Sound of Freedom here in 2023. Fox paid for Sound of Freedom to get made?

Is that how it worked? And then Disney bought them, so Disney owned it. Yep. And they were suing you when you bought it from them? Or did you wait until after the lawsuit no it was after the lawsuit and you purchased it back yeah yeah well they actually the team purchased it back and then we licensed from we became the distributor after that the team who's the team eduardo veras oh he did produce straight up did he raise money to i don't know if that's yeah yeah yeah and he uh and he worked

with disney for like a year and a half trying to and a half trying to negotiate to get it out of there. I love this. Fox News, you know, very QAnon. 20th Century Fox, right? Yeah, we mentioned this earlier that we have this article from Vox.com. Take a look. This is from like two weeks ago. Sound of Freedom wants to raise awareness about child trafficking.

Here's what it's really doing. Oh, what it's really doing. I love this. Let me just do a quick search you know fox used to say look it says that extremism is at least as dark and dangerous as the very thing sound of freedom wants to combat the crazy thing about about it is like the fox made it well fox made it not compared to law and order svu it's it's there's no evil government actors snatching kids under their arms and like running out of a pizza restaurant or anything like that it's just it's a law enforcement story that disney wanted at one point right when

they wanted it it wasn't extreme they bought it but when they don't have it anymore it is extreme i mean i think what you're doing with moving to sort of uh creating through the marketplace is really interesting. In some ways, it reminds me of what Matt Gaetz did saying, you know, Jack Smith, the prosecutor that's investigating Trump, he just was like, well, you can't have any more money. This isn't worth it. This is craziness. And I think in some way, really, that's ultimately, I mean, we talked about a lot with like Public Square. The dollar is one way to leverage power against this institution. So internally, Republicans who are in Congress could theoretically cut off some of these investigations if they cut off DOJ funding. And if you guys are able to say like we know people who are willing to spend money for entertainment that they feel represents them and we make the entertainment, then we're able to circulate this money through people who have the values.

And I find that really interesting. Well, we also learned like, I went to CinemaCon this year. CinemaCon is where all the studios come to talk to the theaters. So the exhibitors are the theaters and those are mainstream Americans. These are 3000 plus owners of theaters all across this country and they're just normal everyday middle-class heartland americans and so the studios come in and at cinema con they like it's the most bizarre experience where you've got these middle american theater owners and then you got these studios that are coming out of their bubble and then they're just trying to sell their content to the theater owners and so they're're kind of like, I don't know.

Is there like a cultural difference? Yeah, they don't really like, there's this. There's an almost adversarial relationship. But at the same time, they're sitting there whining and dining in the theaters trying to say okay we have to work with you but they walk down on that i was walking around with this shirt on this angel shirt and they're and i couldn't make it down the hallway without five six different theater owners just stopping and being like hey they pull out a cross and they're like i'm on your side like Like, why are you whispering? Keep going. And I'm like, thank you. But the amount of support from the theaters made us realize there's just this realization.

As long as we can make it economically viable for alternative content to go to the theaters, they will pick that content. They'll support it. Yeah. And that's how the money's made. Listen to this. July 3rd, we had 2,634 theaters for Sound of Freedom. July 7th, 2,852. July 14th, 3,265.

July 21st, 3,265. July 21st, 2,285. July 28th, it's coming tomorrow. What day are we? Tomorrow. This Friday, 3,411. This is like the first movie I've ever heard of that has expanded the number of theaters for four Fridays straight.

You may have misheard the number. I thought the third number you read was a 2,000. It was 3,285. And then up to 36. So it went from 3,265 to 85 to 3,411. I've noticed it consciously, the way it's expanding too. Yes. It's like caught fire, like psychological fire.

Listen to this stat. This is just on a Reddit thread. Sound of Freedom has a shot at 27 straight days, over $3 million. Even Endgame didn't do that. And I believe only a single digit number of movies have done that somewhere. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.

And everybody's like, Titanic didn't do it. They made it only to 19 days. I'd be interested to know what the record is. That's just a Reddit thread. Are tickets more expensive? Because inflation obviously has got to be playing a role. Sure, sure. How much are they now? So the average ticket price is like $11.80 or something like that.

Yeah, and if you go back to like Passion of the Christ it was somewhere $7 or $8. $7 and change. Sound of Freedom was number two for the July 14th to 20th. Yes, yes. For the week. And I think we've had four or five days

that we've been number one. But one other thing that's different is that they've refactored all the theaters to do these lounge chairs. I love it. That's what we had. And so it's actually, it's changed.

Even though the ticket price has gone up, your actual number of seats are smaller. And so it's kind of changed's changed. Even though the ticket price has gone up, your actual number of seats are smaller. And so it's kind of changed the economic environment of the theaters. Sound of Freedom's got several days. July 4th, it was number one. July 10th and 11th was number one. And July 20th, it was number one. Yes.

It's amazing. And growing. Yes. You mentioned crowdfunding because Angel Studios has a crowdfunding model. You see 100,000 angel investors, they come in and they vote on what... Do you ever find that that causes problems, like chaos within the structure or the organism? So far, what we've seen is this incredible aptitude for choosing a hit. Like our very first theatrical release was called His Only Son.

It was this little $250,000 film. Nobody would have guessed to take this film to theaters. Like you would not, this is not the kind of film you'd take to theaters. It doesn't have a big enough budget. It doesn't have any named people. First time director. It doesn't have a first time director. Like this film shouldn't have gone to theaters from lebanon the main actress is from iran and the main and the boy who plays isaac abraham isaac he's from israel like they're just no namers that are but it did well but we got the guild score and we're like whoa whoa and then we put it out there for crowdfunding and it raised uh 1.25 million in 100 hours and we were expecting to raise $400,000 in 30 days. And we're just like, okay, we got to lean into this

because what the Guild is saying. And then it hit number three in the box office against some huge, huge tentpoles. But I would assume this is one of the things that maybe Hollywood is forgetting is important. Like you guys are talking to actual people who are interested in a movie who would put their money behind movies

and saying, what do you want to see? Whereas Hollywood has their own enclave of people and they're asking each other. It's such an echo chamber. How could you get accurate feedback on what a good movie would be? Yeah. Yeah. You said the Guild. Is the Guild the small percentage of the total crowd funders?

Who's the Guild? Anybody who has invested in a previous project can be a member of the guild. And those guys are the ones who decide the future of Angel's production. There's about 100,000 people in the Angel Guild. And the idea here is that they replace the Hollywood gatekeepers. Hollywood's awesome.

All the creators, the craftsmen in Hollywood, they're great. The gatekeepers are the problem. And they're great. The gatekeepers are the problem. And they, they, they're the ones who decide like this, it has to have this much, uh, diversity figure or the, uh, this much LBT LGBTQ, it has to have this much nudity, this many sex scenes, whatever. They're the ones just like deciding these things for the, the, the content creators. And so the filmmakers are, are um they kind of move either

direction but the gatekeepers are holding holding the grounds and so the the angel guild is a replacement of the hollywood gatekeepers and that so we get 60 filmmakers a week submitting to angel studios and then these the guild goes through and votes on that content. And about 95% of it fails. And 5% gets through. To the next step. Yep, to the next step. When someone submits, they submit.

Oh, yeah, The Torch. The Torch, yeah. So they'll submit like a five-minute short film. Or in the case of Sound of Freedom, they submitted the entire film. Right. Okay. His only son. Anything that's gone to theaters has to be the whole film anecdotally before i show you guys tell me the

torch you call is like this prototype five minute piece or whatever full fulfilled so technically sound of freedom was a torch is from the statue of liberty's torch i didn't know that the statue of liberty was crowdfunded yes by french people yes yeah yeah so frederick Bartaldi couldn't get any governments to fund the Statue of Liberty. And he had this dream of creating the biggest piece of art. And we all know artists will try to get their budget from wherever they can. Yes, that's right. They'll go anywhere to get their budget. But he wanted to create the biggest piece of art around the biggest idea in the world.

And he first tried the Suez Canal before he had visited America. And he got shot down he visits america and he decides this is the biggest idea america is so he goes back he gets the president of the united states to say i think that's a great idea takes back a letter because the president didn't offer him any money i mean even the washington monument was crowdfunded i don't know if you knew that but the um cause the government wouldn't pay for stuff like that back then. And they, they had times I've changed. They had, they had principles. So, so they, they, he goes back to France and he raises just enough money to build the

torch and a hand and he sets it up in the parks and he takes people up in the top of the torch and he takes pit black and white pictures of them. There's a whole bunch of them online. You can see this black and white pictures of this torch. And he raised $14 million in today's money over a decade. He'd give out little pins. Yeah. Little things.

It was the first Kickstarter campaign. Yes. First crowdfunding campaign. Yep. And he, and he spends a decade and he builds it. So we just modeled the entire brand of our company is we have torches which are the filmmakers even like every year we do what are called the torch awards where we actually give away a copper replica of the torch of the Statue of Liberty

to filmmakers. So there's yeah, we the idea is around the original crowdfunding campaign. I think a lot of the problems in today's society can be solved with crowdfunding. A lot of like roads, you're really worried about the roads. Don't wait for the government, you know, set up, but we just need maybe some organization for it, like an app or something where you can like locally send some,

some tips. Yeah. Yeah. And, and what, what happens is as soon as you engage the crowd, like when we raise the smartest money we can raise for advertising is from the crowd because everybody comes in, they can do, they, they maybe throw 50 bucks at it or 20 bucks or whatever.

And then they go out and they bring it, drag all their neighbors into the theaters. So if you get 7,000, 10,000 people crowdfunding a project, you've got 10,000, an army of 10,000 people out dragging everybody they know into those theaters to try to make that movie profitable of the a hundred thousand angel investors that you currently have. Uh, do they all invest in every movie? No, no, they don't all invest. Every single movie we bring on a giant chunk of new people over half. How do people sign up to invest? Invest.angel.com is where, um, the, the different projects go up for, to, to raise money. And there's a link there at angel.angel.com is where um the the different projects go up for to raise money there's a link there at angel.com yeah is it the same way for for writers and stuff that want to submit like as if you need more another thousand submissions so so we're not currently set up to um to take

scripts uh we only can take torches like only like projects that show a vision for what you're trying to create but there's also a link on there for the angel accelerator fund and they they have they actually they partner with some filmmakers to help create torches what it was it called the angel accelerate accelerator fund and they'll they'll help people that don't have money but have a great idea or like a great really great they're gonna have to bring their own money like they match torch like if a torch cost 100 grand they might put up 50 and then the torch would be then the filmmaker would have to

bring 50 let's talk about uh when in the culture war yeah so i think one of the reasons sound of freedom is so important is uh making 133 million dollars several days at number one proving that outside as you mentioned the gatekeepers there is a path towards success yes younger people need to be able to look at the stuff that we're creating and say there is another way to succeed. You don't have to go through the corrupt machine. We have this news story that I think plays into this. Bud Light Brewery is laying off hundreds of U.S. workers. Well, I'm kind of sad for these people, but at the same time, if you've been working at Bud Light, where over the past four months this controversy has been going on, you had

to know this was coming. Not only that, but several bottling plants had already laid off hundreds of people. So y'all should look if you work for Bud Light. I would only say I am personally I would be surprised if you were not trying to find another job because they are firing people. But this is a sign that the old guard and the gatekeepers are failing. They are losing out. Get what go broke.

And we're starting to see the inverse with Sound of Freedom, for instance. There is an inverse to get woke, go broke starting to emerge. And that is don't be woke, make money or however you'd phrase it. I don't know. Someone can come up with something catchier.

Stay based, get laced. No, thank you. Get paid. Yeah, something like that. We'll let the chat take care of that chat guys think of something that's the inverse of this because this is this is what we're seeing now we were just talking about you know donald trump is getting indicted and i was saying this earlier how do you people like what do we do how do we win we're watching this corruption i'm like they're going the wrong route.

Going this procedural procedural route to try and win a culture war is a losing battle. And and we should all know this because it's what Republicans were doing in 2016. Democrats were going to the media. They're going to TV. They were lying, cheating and stealing. They were pushing false narratives, Russiagate, et cetera, to shape the minds of the of individuals in this country. They controlled institutions. They were censoring information on media. Russia gate, et cetera, to shape the minds of the, of individuals in this country. They controlled institutions.

They were censoring information on media. They knew culture comes first, then politics. Now what you have, you have the Biden DOJ protecting Hunter Biden with this, with this insane plea agreement that tried giving him indicting Donald Trump again. And we got a SBF getting his charges dropped. Not all of them, but how convenient you give Democrats money. You don't go to jail, I guess, but i don't think that's going to play very well because if the influence that is generated in culture is coming from the likes of angel studios if the products they're buying are no longer bud light if they're not watching fox news even or cnn anymore they're

coming to other places yeah it's not like they just stopped right exactly going somewhere else exactly and that means eventually democrats aren't going to pull this stuff off they're going to slowly start losing political power because they're trying to win by writing laws or or utilizing government which i've been saying a long time doesn't work republicans keep trying to do that doesn't work great example You've got on the books laws preventing adults from engaging in lewd and lascivious acts with children. These laws have been on the books forever. West Virginia, for instance, has it plain as day. Yet the police allow children to be part of lewd and lascivious shows at adult venues, child drag performances, all ages drag shows that are explicit. Because the law has to be enforced.

The police won't enforce it, though, because of the culture, because we're at a point or we were where you have these you had this show where it said it's not going to lick itself and there's kids there and the cops go, I'm not getting involved in this, even though it is illegal, discernibly codified. The cops won't do anything about it because the culture is fractured and there's no clear winner. The police are only going to do what they think the majority would support. If Sound of Freedom is winning, if Angel Studios is winning, if shows like ours, if Cast Brew Coffee is winning, if Bud Light is failing, eventually people are going to say,

I'm here to be on the winning side. Law enforcement's going to come out and be like, we're going to go arrest the person breaking the law. It's illegal for women, unmarried women to skydive in Florida on Sunday. Is a cop going to arrest a woman who skydives on Sunday? Of course not. Why? It's illegal because the law actually doesn't matter. What matters is what police are willing to enforce. So if we win the culture war, then the police are going to enforce what the people want enforced.

No, I think it's true. I mean, the part of government is the consent of the people, right? So if you disagree with law, not only can you fight it, but also your town can start to say, like, this doesn't make sense. I mean, there are all kinds of old laws in the books. The skydiving in Florida one might be an example of things that we would not allow or accept. I believe there's a town in Connecticut where your husband's allowed to beat his wife on the town hall steps during the day,

and that never got repealed. It's just there. Now, if this happened, we would all be appalled. Like, we know some things are wrong, and I can't say why that one was on the books ever, but so much of what we do is just choosing to say like i'm not going to give into this anymore and again i think it's important to go back to the fact that for a long time you know you'd get these things companies doing something you didn't agree with but there were no alternatives right like i remember uh i can't even remember like if you wanted to boycott uh a shoe company well that shoe company is also owned by this company that's also doing this and like we saw this a little bit with

Bud Light that some people were like, well, I'll buy this one. And it actually is all under the Anheuser-Busch umbrella. So maybe we give credit to the internet here for being active and alerting people to sort of the network of companies. But it is really interesting to see people actively seeking

out change and reviewing what they're being told to do and saying, I don want to anymore i think it happens it doesn't happen at once too it'll happen like probably like a seven-year lag you make a movie that changes like a nine-year-old's mind and then when they're 16 that's when the power begins to shift yes absolutely you guys see that with your own kids well yeah totally and that's the reason that we started this is because we could see that this was a long game, right? Like the way that we were going to actually change the world for our children and for their children was by not by going and coming here to DC and lobbying and fighting over red and blue politics, but it was just in our home with our kids telling really great stories that helped them understand true principles. When the Dark Knight Rises came out,

I was at CPAC that year or something around there. And I remember sitting on this panel discussion and them saying, you know, if you're conservative and you want your children who are interested in politics to make a difference, you actually shouldn't send them to DC, you should send them to Hollywood. And I wish I could give credit to whoever said that.'ve forgotten the panelist name at this point but it's interesting because they're basically making the

point 10 years ago and you guys said angel was founded in 2013 that you guys ultimately proved which is like if you want to redirect culture you need people who have those values in a position to make that content i mean it's we know a lot of people who are creative and who have ideas but i don't remember who was on the show talking about the the infrastructure behind movie production like all all the things you need to rent and the film equipment like there has to be stepping stones to build this and ultimately you guys have proven redirecting the energy is and steve job says that the most powerful person in the world is a storyteller that he's famous for that statement.

And you can see this with Sound of Freedom. Alejandro Monteverde goes and Mexican guy, grew up, was affected by cartels. His dad and his brother were murdered. Murdered by a cartel. And he builds this movie and this story to help unite and to fight this issue. And Neil was just telling me last night that some bill in what state was it?

I think it was Wisconsin. Wisconsin or something? Like a local legislator put up a bill that's called the Sound of Freedom Bill. And they're changing laws because of this film. There was a law enforcement officer down in Texas who, after watching the film, started classes in their community and they're teaching teenage girls what signs to look for,

how pedophiles attack through social media. Those classes are happening all over. Classic QAnon right-wing extremism. Protect your family, yeah yeah look out for predators crazy stuff they showed it at congress i think sound of freedom yesterday yeah tuesday night tuesday night both sides showed up donald trump's made a comment that he wants to give traffickers the death penalty uh women as well as men i wonder i mean it's that's donald's idea yeah i'm not i was like geez why does he keep jumping to the death i don't want to derail if you guys don't want to talk about well i mean i i uh here look traffickers people that rape kids

and sell them probably deserve death but the death penalty i think the statistics are they get it wrong like four percent of the time like too much four out of a hundred people are innocent and so it's not a practical solution in my opinion i completely agree i don't i don't like i i believe they deserve it but if you can't practically make that happen without like if you were if you were trying to protect a kid who is about to be attacked by someone use whatever force you can to save the life of that child from the person committing the crime right yep if we've captured someone and kamala harris walks up to me and says see that guy over there he deserves death i'm gonna be like i don't trust you lady i mean that guy

may be evil for sure but yeah man i'm not gonna sign off on kamala harris's request i know she's the worst example i can think of you know when it comes to who would be advocating right but you have but once the power's there you gotta think of the worst person right now granted i am grateful that trump is entering the discussion it shows how powerful this movie has been that donald trump is entering that discussion and participating and he had his own screening right yeah but i mean i we've got you wouldn't believe like it's not just republicans that are asking for screeners of this movie like everybody's asking for screeners look uh there are leftist publications that are saying q anon and stuff, The Guardian did it. But the corporate press critic reviews are still, what, like 75% or better?

Yeah, I think it's down to 70% now. It just slowly gets chipped away at. But there are people on both sides of the aisle that are very powerful and state leaders all over the world asking to see this. For example, tomorrow we're flying to el salvador yeah and we are meeting with bukele bukele oh nice premiere the film but oh that's fantastic he's great he's public i can say that one but there are who else no you would be amazed and and i'm hoping that some of them when they watch it because they're they're watching it so we're talking not that

they're going to be on this live stream, but if they are or somebody who is, we are hoping that one of them will speak up. Speak up. Like just stop this ridiculousness. Everybody who's seen this movie knows it has nothing to do with politics and it has nothing to do with conspiracy theories.

To be the most bipartisan issue, stopping child trafficking. And it's just a true story. But this is what keep saying law and order svu is on the on the air for 20 some odd years i think it's still on the air right it's it's a very very popular show about law enforcement trying to protect victims of sexual abuse you guys acquired a movie and distribute it and they're so desperate to attack it it's insane yeah but i i think i think you're hitting a point here and russell, when he covered sound of freedom, he covers this point.

I think there's like, I I've just racking my mind. Why on earth is everybody attack? Like is the left attacking this so hard, specifically the left. And I came up with four theories. Uh, the first one is Russell brands,

which I didn't come up with. He came up with it. He just said, this is a model coming out of left field. It's completely bypassing all the Hollywood gatekeepers. They hate it. And they hate it so much that they hate this model and the fact that they can't control it because they have their oligopoly that they would rather attack

the model with these conspiracy theories and just forget about the fact that the message, number two, there's groups of people who are so partisan that when the dog whistles come out they just say uh my team's on this side so therefore i can't watch it yeah there's cognitive dissonance where they're not weighing this is millions of kids being trafficked versus my partisan politics so so i'll address that right many people complain about chris evans politics because he goes on twitter and he says woke stuff he's in the movie knives out i can separate art from the artist i thought knives out was great i think ryan johnson also has questionable statements but i thought uh uh knives out was good i i i actually liked how he incorporated the politics into it

they can't see these tribalists you're referring to can't seem to do that they can't do it they can't separate it and then the third one is where you get a little more controversial, but it's like you've got $150 billion industry. There's cartels that are child trafficking cartels, and they've got their talking points. And the journalists are inadvertently grabbing these talking points probably because of one or two, but they're grabbing cartel talking points to try to downplay how significant of a problem this is. And number three is they're just all number. Sorry. Number four is they're just all in it.

Like they're all in it together. And there's just, and so it probably is Russell brands got it first and it cascades down to the bottom one. Um, the, the evil, just everybody,

all these people are evil, but there's, but it's, it's most likely economics driving it, partisanism driving it. And then the other two are probably smaller ones. Yeah. I mean, I think the partisan one is so true. If you, especially if you're getting people who are like, you know, like you were saying with the theater owners who hold up their crosses to you in secret, like these people being like, I am against child trafficking, but I don't want to say it too loud. It's a little weird, but I guess if that's your team's

line, I don't know. I identify with Russell's idea that it's economic warfare, essentially, or they don't like the model of coming in from the outside and disrupting the Hollywood model. That's terrifying. And the kids are just a side. There was that news anchor who was like, it's not as much of a

crisis as you think. Did you give your fourth reason yet already? Yeah, fourth is just the combination of is just that they're all in it of the three they're all in it they're all evil they're all part of the cartels that's the one the internet but but i don't even think it seamus uh coglan has a cartoon on freedom tunes that makes the joke perfectly okay i'm gonna spoil it for you guys because i need to make the point but it's two hollywood guys being like oh this sound of freedom you know what is going on with this it's it's succeeding they'll never change my mind they go to see the film they're crying and weeping as they watch it and they're like and as they're leaving they're like i never knew the suffering and everything they went through to bring us the

children uh you get the point we talk about how they're upset because of the gatekeepers and they're mad that you guys are basically taken over but i think there's a component of we've known for a long time because there's the i think both cory's did cory hame and cory feldman didn't did they both come out and talk about it for i think so i mean feldman definitely is vocally yeah and and then you got you know elijah elijah woods talked about this but then you also have just the general abuse of, you know, we all know the story of Harvey and everything he did. I have a friend that lives in L.A. and she's been in this world for a long time. And when Harvey finally went in, she was just like, we've known this for forever. Everybody's known it.

Seth MacFarlane made the joke. Everybody knew. Seth MacFarlane made the joke on some awards show. Then you also have Stewie Griffin in an episode of Family Guy running through the mall saying, help, help. I've escaped Kevin Spacey's basement. Like people in Hollywood know what's going on there. So I'm going to I'm going to say the tribal partisan thing, I think, makes sense because we've had people come on and sit at the studio like the cultural, for instance, and outright defend books. We have these books here where they're showing graphic images of adult activities to kids and

say it's a good book and i'm just like that's the most insane thing ever like have you no principles they don't but i really do think hollywood's got pedos who are really pissed off that you guys put out a film i think i really do think that one of the reasons disney did not want to run this is because there's high up people who are like the last thing we want is people focusing on this as a cultural issue. There's no reason for Disney not to publish this film. They had it. It was basically free. They had bought it already.

They could have put it straight to DVD or put it on Amazon and made a couple hundred thousand dollars overnight. But they decided to shut it down. Something doesn't add up with that. Because if the question was gatekeeping they could have just put it on amazon they could have put it on disney plus hey here's another offering but for some reason they said no one should see this movie that's weird and then we we talked about with with you know when we had tim here and uh eduardo uh eduardo eduardo eduardo and tim ballard when we had him here he was mentioning

that there was going to be a companion documentary that they were they were supposed to make and it was because they didn't want to do that they released the rights to the film so disney's looking at it like we're gonna have to release this film because of a contract and we're gonna have to make a documentary about it i think there are people who are high up who have certain predilections who are like we don't want two films so what's what's your win scenario so pass it off so just a film comes out hope it fails and don't make the documentary your worst case scenarios you have to make the documentary and the film comes out so they actually are looking at it like you know we we we we lose this, but we don't take as much collateral damage in terms of their predilections and what they don't want people talking about.

I think it's possible. I want to give some benefit of the doubt that maybe they just thought this isn't a brand fit, a brand fit. I don't have. You guys are so nice. I mean, technically, you're right. I mean, technically you're right. I have every reason to hate Disney. They made my life miserable for four and a half years.

But there is I think I'd like to leave that open. I think they are against child trafficking, which is kind of an interesting brand to have. Matt Kibbe, I was talking to him the other day and he he said maybe it's like baptist and bootleggers where you've got the one side they're kind of almost like a collaboration happening without them even realizing that they're collaborating one's actually against it and one's for it but they're actually making it happen together and he's like it kind of reminds him of

that in some ways there's a parallel there. I got it. I got it pulled up right here. Law and order SVU has been on the air for 24 years. It is one of the most popular television shows of all time. So there's two points to be made there. Why Disney would look at a well-made movie, which they had already and could just literally upload to Disney plus and be

like, have a nice day. They have that. They could release it, allowing Disney Plus and be like, have a nice day. They have that. They could release it, allowing them to be in a similar space. People like the show, clearly. Why would they not do it? Oh, what were you going to answer? I have a follow-up question.

So we were talking to John Irwin, because he said this movie came across his desk at Lionsgate. He was pushing for it. He was pushing for it. He was pushing for it. He saw the potential for the movie, but he said all the people that we launched through, they are the elite. They are the power players.

They are the tastemakers. And the leaders don't want to touch the film. We didn't know how to get it out the door. He said they're all calling him now being like... Yeah, everybody's like, why didn't we take that take that but then he said when i saw you guys got it i was like that was the perfect match because angel has a direct connection to the people and the people will care about this issue and they will be able to rise it to the level that the tastemakers pay attention to it and the leaders have to pay attention to it and so that's

exactly what happened when disney sold it back or to you guys, is it public how much they sold it for? They sold it to Eduardo. They sold it to Eduardo. I think they released it to him, didn't they? Eduardo released the number of what he's got into the film. It's $14.5 million. I don't know the exact details of the rest of what goes into that $14.5.

Okay, but roughly up to $14 million he paid to disney to get it and maybe disney thought they weren't going to get 14 million putting it on disney plus so they're just better off unloading it for a small dose of cash i i don't want i just i just can't speculate yeah yeah i say what you're thinking yeah i want to i want to pull up this video we have this video ian miles chong posted it says this is what's popular on tiktok meanwhile in china kids are learning about theoretical physics practical woodworking and astronomy on doyen which is their their their version of tiktok right yeah this video is disturbing it's on par with the npc girls you guys have seen that stuff where there's like ice cream i just saw it the other day and i was so confused by it my wife and we watched it like

seven times and we're sitting there going to bed and we're watching it over and over again. I'm like, what are they doing? And by the end, we just. You and everyone else. I won't let myself watch it. I want to play this video. I got to play this video. It's 23 seconds and you'll get a general idea. I don't want to be too loud, but here we go.

Oh, you want to hit the audio? I mean, guys, I'm. For those that are just listening, it is a guy who's crying and screaming and trying to stack nuts, like hardware nuts. Yeah, I don't know. I don't think those are lug nuts necessarily. Just hardware nuts.

And it's deranged. It is absolutely deranged content. If you let it roll for a second longer, he makes this weird... That's why he's popular. Is that face and that sound and stuff. So this is what kids are watching. You feel your mind disorganized as you watch it. This is what...

I'll throw it back to you guys. Are you guys familiar with Elsagate? YouTube started promoting a whole bunch of these videos of Elsa, Spider-Man, and the Joker running around doing shenanigans. It started devolving into extremely psychotic content where there were cartoons of children drinking out of urinals and consuming feces. Like 2013 or something.

This is the algorithm at the time. I think this was YouTube youtube it was an accident yeah youtube just had an algorithm that recommended what got clicked the most i didn't really think about it and it was being exploited and people were just doing keyword searches and then making whatever was getting the most clicks and it turned into this nightmare scenario i think with tiktok you look at this video pull this clip back up. I want people who are watching to see this guy's face. TikTok is promoting this stuff because I think they figured out, hey, Elsagate is destroying the fabric

of the United States and the West because the children who watch that are going to have psychological problems and trauma later in life. This is very much the same thing as are the NPC girls. There are already stories about, first, young girls facing extreme depression because of Instagram. But now you have stories of young girls developing Tourette's syndrome because they would watch a popular influencer with Tourette's,

start imitating the person, and then start developing involuntary tics in their communication style because this is social development for young people i think tiktok it's my personal opinion promotes this stuff in the algorithm because it is gutting and destroying the fabric of our of our young people this is another reason why i think it's so extremely important one you guys share tell your friends to go see movies like sound of freedom but all the other stuff that that angel studios has coming out you've got uh what's that new there's another movie you got coming out uh you've got cabr's that new, there's another movie you've got coming out. You've got Cabrini. Cabrini. The Shift,

I think. The Shift is coming out in December. Cabrini looks really good. There's a, there's a, there's one coming out in October called After Death. Oh,

cool. Dude, the Shift looks nuts. Yeah, the Shift looks good. Shift is awesome. I really want to see Cabrini. That trailer looks really amazing.

And John Lithgow's in it. Yes. Yeah, John Lithgow, and it's the same director as Sound of Freedom. It's Alejandro. Oh, wonderful.

And it's his best work yet it looks really my wife my wife and i screened it and my wife came away and she said top five movie of all time for me wow my daughter's favorite movie too wow that's amazing yeah you know uh once once we have screeners we'll let you right on right but i but i don't want to i don't want to watch a screener i'm watching theaters that's right yeah okay yeah all right yeah so like get you in the theater when it's time. I don't know if it's supposed to be a secret or whatever. With Sound of Freedom, someone reached out to me and said,

hey, we got a screener. We want you to see the film. I was like, I'm going to theaters, man. Yeah, I like you. It's so much better. Yeah, but the theater is the experience, especially there with your friends. And afterwards, we're walking out.

We're talking about the parts we liked and didn't like. And not just that. The theater is this. It's a communal experience. Everybody goes in. Do you guys know who Andrew Peterson is? No. Who wrote the Winged Feather Saga?

Great author. Amazing author from Nashville, musician, pretty big name. But he has a blog called The Rabbit Room. And on that blog, they published, it's a group of people that write on it. They wrote a blog post called The Sacrament of cinema and in it explains and this is what shifted my gears on why movie theaters are hanging on and why i think that they have a bright future is he compares the the sacrament when you go to church and you let go of everything and you get into the exact same experience as

everybody around you and you focus on this one thing which represents jesus christ and you focus focus focus and you you you take the sacrament you when you go to the theater you're surrendering all your screens all the social media and you're allowing yourself to be enveloped in an experience that director built for you and crafted for you and then immerse yourself and there's no pause button and you're all together. And so you have this incredible experience and it can be, it can be life-changing. And I think that people are hungry to get away from the social screens. And that the easiest, most simple way to do that is to head to the cinema and actually shut everything down and it's healthy for us right now where we're overstimulated so

it almost sounds weird because it used to be the stimulation spot but this is actually i think it's a way to shut things off the good news is so when we look at this video and this guy is screeching and making nonsense content which is going to traumatize kids, they're going to grow up and they will imitate. Are they going to be building spaceships? Are they going to be astronauts? Are they going to be even race car drivers?

No, they're going to be saying insane things or acting like NPCs and saying ice cream's so good, but we're winning. One, obviously you guys are here we're talking about Angel Studios, all the projects you have. But along with this story is Dylan Mulvaney announcing a stepping back from producing content

because only 50% of Americans like me, Dylan says. And so Mulvaney will be slowing down content. This is what happens when people speak up for what they believe in, when they say rather sternly but politely. Dylan Mulvaney has bad content, which is bad for kids promoting alcohol to kids. You know, people want to talk about gender ideology. I'm like, absolutely.

But also this the scandal starts with Dylan promoting booze to children on TikTok. Like, let's that was the whole thing. Grabbing all the beer cans, cracking them open and being like, March Madness, drink beer. And the average audience of TikTok is under 21.

These are not good things. So when we see this stuff, we complain about TikTok. Yes, there are issues with a lot of people using the platform. TikTok banned us, for instance,

for no reason. Little sour grapes there, I suppose. For no reason, we're removed. We can't even express our opinions. But I think,

this is what leads me to believe ultimately they're trying to influence young people in ways that destroy their lives when we look at sound of freedom when we look at i mean angel studios you guys are are slaying it as it's crazy the expansive growth we may not have control of all the institutions i have people say how can you claim we're winning if hollywood is owned by the left if television is owned by the left i'm like theaters one of my points was theaters are not owned by the left but my what i'm saying is uh winning doesn't mean owning everything winning doesn't mean you won right winning means you are gaining the territory in the conflict that's right and we are winning that's right what you said about the theater is

so true it's it's epically true it's been true for thousands of years beyond cinema cinema's relatively new aspect of theater but the theater since the greeks 800 bc it's a local thing it's not a global thing people vibrate together in the local community that's the ticket i had a dude when i saw sound of freedom on my to my left that was like breathing super heavy he wasn't very healthy he was drinking his diet coke or whatever he's drinking and But it like, I have love for that man. It made that experience like unique. It was in my ear and it was a little distracting

but at the same time, I'll never forget it. I'll remember that forever, that moment. And I love that guy. I just remember that guy. And it was cool to be there with him. Or the fact that I think it's, I mean, we might be seeing as much as 10% of showings of sound of freedom having standing ovations and there there's showings where people complete strangers strangers

hug each other yes and this isn't an uncommon report i think also you can't have that at home yeah since covid has basically died down the madness around covid people want to go out and socialize again and the cinema is the place. Yes. Yeah. You hear that, AMC? I'll say it. I got to say it every time. The first, the intro of Sound of Freedom is just so good. Oh, yeah.

Man, it's remarkable to me that they walked away from that. That they're like, how do you not watch that and be like, wow. This is an amazing film. Yeah. Just the intro. Just the intro, man. Really well done. We had a super chat from earlier.

Someone suggested that you guys do or somebody does a movie about the Statue of Liberty that story about the Statue of Liberty oh that would be really fun that'd be cool we are working right now

probably the first piece of it will be done next year Jordan should be talking about this part founders yeah we're building a series

on the founding of America and trying to build an entire this is so undertold Game of Thrones style yes this is so under told game of thrones with a moral compass but of course but this is such an undertold story think about how many movies you know the patriot and then you know like a bazillion documentaries dude the patriot is like one of my favorite movies of all time the patriot is such a good john adams and the patriot that's about you know that there's

that musical 1776 that was pretty good in the uk they complained but there's nothing of the british and the patriot because you get the bad guy like killing children and they're like oh how dare you it's not british you guys make your own white colonialism you know what i mean like go out there and make your own pro-british movie i think it's interesting because i i watched the patriot probably way after everyone else but after it you're like yeah let's hang an american flag like this is great like you i i feel like there is something really positive out of walking out of theater and being like i feel empowered to do something i think sound of freedom has that effect for a lot of people even if it's just be more conscious of how they can serve their local

community but like the patriot makes you want to be like yeah it's a good country this is cool stuff like yeah i think that is sort of uh along with the moral hunger in society some some way to feed that because videos like this of tiktok of this guy screaming like that's the equivalent of like fake chemical sugar that we're feeding to our young people you need to give them more substantial content for them to to feed their minds their emotions their, their souls, things like that. If you have them on the app where there's nothing nutritious, so to speak, there, then of course they wither away. You can't be surprised. This stuff's junk food.

You know what is really interesting? You bring up the Patriot, and that was made by an immigrant, right? Alejandro was an immigrant. Frank Capra, who made a ton of americana right that uh that it's a wonderful life and um uh mr smith goes to washington all these films that helped define our country made by immigrants and um that's what i love about um the cinema is that it's all about uniting around an idea rather than partisanship or or country lines it's just about uniting around an idea well and i think it's interesting too because this new study came out saying they're like only 18 of young americans consider themselves like very

patriotic which is sort of strange but when we saw uh periods and no one quote me on the data here but when we saw periods of high patriotism quote me on the data here but when we saw periods of high patriotism it's when we're in conflict when we have to pull together with people that we don't know who live in our country we feel bonded that way and to your point like i think at least in my experience like a first generation american immigrants choose to be here and they realize often why they have they have a decision there's a choice right there's there's sort of an act of love in that choice uh and i think that in some ways makes it easier to be clear about what you have when you're born into something it sometimes becomes easy to be like math not that great

because you don't have anything to compare it to right that's right i was in i was in poland and my wife and i we went to a communist museum they have a bunch of them and i was reading i was just amazing all the artifacts and everything from the USSR that were there. And these Stalin statues and Lenin statues. And then I get out and I'm looking at Google reviews. And there's all these Americans writing these one-star reviews. And they're just like, it makes communism look really bad. They need to get rid of their bias towards this. It makes communism look really bad. It was.

They need to get rid of their bias towards this. And I'm just like, what? No. These are the people who, like the people who made this museum are alive now and they lived through it. And anyway, so it's just, they forget. You're only a generation away from from freedom being gone yeah yeah yeah we need to preserve the uh i think about that when it comes to the transgender movement and just transgenderism in general if we could somehow make a movie that shows someone like going through it and you can really empathize with the person struggling with their own gender

and then you can kind of see it from the outside of what's happening to them and why they're going through it that it could remind people in 20 years like it's okay to be you like you can kind of see it from the outside of what's happening to them and why they're going through it, that it could remind people in 20 years, like, it's okay to be you. Like, you can, you know, just to give young people hope that like, if you're feeling weird, like, there's a way to- It's okay to feel weird.

Yeah, yeah. And if we don't tell the story, we won't, it won't be remembered why it happened in the first place. And then we're doomed to repeat the cycles of like, lack of faith or lack of love for self so I would love to make a movie about that I would even love to play that character

for honest kids kids need you could do a great job at that Ian kids need stories where they will look up to people yeah so that they they want to emulate something you know I read these stories online there's these there are these memes where guys like I have a kid he's kind of dumb he's five and then one day i saw him running around

and he said i'm spider-man i'm spider-man or something like that and i'm like yeah the kid saw a movie where the main character the good guy spider-man is doing these heroic things and then the kid imitates that you give positive reinforcement say these are the people we like these are the stories of heroism right now what's happening is we've had this period where there's a lot of woke movies that have no clear plot. The main characters are bad guys. Like even if you look at Captain Marvel is a good example. There's this really great video breakdown of Captain America versus Captain Marvel. Captain America sacrifices himself for his country.

He desperately tries to serve his nation even though he's not fit to do so he's willing to jump on a grenade to save people captain marvels starts off with her robbing a guy for his clothes right and so and we're so and because the guy's on a motorcycle and he goes you should smile and then she looks at him and then robs him like apparently they're they're playing this trope that women should be empowered by stealing for like she's the bad guy they tried defending it saying well yeah you know she changes later on and i'm like if kids watch that and they look up to someone who is mean nasty and entitled they're gonna grow up thinking that's the way to be and we don't want that you're gonna love cabrini because cabrini is the story of a woman who's a superhero by being a woman and she unapologetically unapologetically she's in a battle against the mayor of new york

trying to figure out how to help the poor and she's a catholic nun and she's a catholic nun but she's an entrepreneur who happens to happens to be a catholic nun yes what year does it take place it's 18 18 well she was born in 50, 56. Late 1800s. Late 1800s. Late 1800s, yeah. So she, but it's just this beautiful story of a woman being powerful because she's a woman. And I think that what we're seeing

is that people are sick and tired of nihilistic movies. Yeah. Every single movie ends with everybody's bad. You get to the end of a series that you liked and they just end with everybody sucks. Everybody's bad. Everybody's evil. Everybody's complicated. Well, complicated is fine. bad everybody everybody's complicated every well complicated it's fine but there's no like true

like good evil black white hero like that that's just missing right now every it's just they're sick of nihilism and uh we're trying to offer an antidote to that is that you know stories that amplify light but go ahead oh is this and you're talking about Francis Xavier Cabrini, the woman, the Italian American saint. Yes. It's powerful. When. First, first American saint, not.

She's the very first. First. Men or women. Men or women. Are there more? Are there other ones now? Yeah. Yeah.

Oh, cool. Yeah. I had a question. Um, basically you said that you watched you and your wife, Jeff watched that weird TikTok NPC seven times. Yeah. And like, it's junk food. You also mentioned how it's like junk food. Did you feel like gross after, you and your wife, Jeff, watched that weird TikTok NPC seven times. Yeah. And it's junk food. You also mentioned how it's junk food.

Did you feel gross? Did you feel weird afterwards? Because you were talking about how it discombobulates the soul or whatever. Oh, I said I feel my mind disorganized as I'm watching it. Yeah. It's just straight up junk food. Did you feel it happening as you were watching? Because I've had to shut that video off.

It's like brain junk food. Yeah. It's just like, I don't, I think TikTok just in general is brain junk food yeah it's just it's just like i i don't i think tiktok just in general is brain junk food but you know i deleted i think it's more like it's like drugs yeah it's correct i guess you were talking about how movies are complicated characters become complicated and that how that's kind of a problem but you were saying it's it's okay like complications okay i wonder about that because i think we do need like to reorient people you know i the reason i mentioned

that is because one of the reviewers of sound of freedom was was pointing out how they wish that the character tim ballard was more complicated but it it just happens to be a true story and alejandro and rod bar they wrote it the best they could based off the stories and what they knew about tim ballard and what they knew about tim and um and they wanted something more complex um and uh but clearly audiences just want someone to go and fight evil they want to see somebody fight evil and know that that can happen and it's giving people courage and when when somebody sees someone else like if someone sees cabrini do something someone sees tim ballard do something they say wait a second that that wakes up something

inside of me yeah because you nobody's perfect like right he's probably gotten into arguments with his wife but you don't want to make people listen to it well and he he actually tells the story because in in the film she says to him you quit your job and you go and rescue those kids he said the real story was he called her and said um honey i have a chance to rescue some kids the only way i can do it is if i quit my job we've got six kids at home you know obviously i can't do that trying to talk her he was trying trying to talk her out of it. He was trying to talk her out of it. Talk himself out of it. And then she said, I hope I quote this correctly, but she said essentially, can you rescue the kids if you stay?

And he says, yes, I think I can. And she said, then you need to quit your job and go do that. And he said, no, no, no, no, no, no. You're crazy. We'll lose our pension. All this stuff will happen. She said, you don't come home until you rescue those kids. And she said, you don't come home until you rescue those kids and then he he kept fighting it and

then he says I was kind of a coward and then she finally said I will not jeopardize my salvation by you not rescuing those kids so that was the real story right that that was but Alejandro wanted to have the hero be the hero. But he was sitting there like, I don't have any support from the state, which means maybe I've got like a 50-50 chance. That you become a widow. Yeah. That's kind of how he was feeling, whether or not that's...

Without support. Yeah. If you don't have support, if things go wrong, you're gambling. He ended up having support of the Colombian government by the end, but when he made You know, we were... He ended up having support of the Colombian government by the end, but when he made that decision, he had no support. We were listening to a lot of classic rock and older songs,

and we're hanging out downstairs. We're also, you know, we watch some older movies, and I'm just like, where are the modern masterpieces? You know, everything's formulaic, and I think it's probably fair to say I didn't grow up in the 60s or 70s they probably had their formulaic garbage music all the same yeah and we only remember the greatest works and stuff like that but man i we're really in need of a movie that will resonate throughout generations we need to get away from this formulaic stuff you know look superhero movies are entertaining i'll go see them but sound of freedom was was meaning we need movies like that even Groundhog

Day right Groundhog Day seems simple comedy but it's so good so powerful right yeah like you walk away from you want to be a better person yeah but it's fun you know it's like interesting it's an interesting idea yeah I want ice cold the system has gutted out

the place where people can play and take risks they've gone to tent poles that's where people can play and take risks. They've gone to tent poles. That's where they can invest the money. That's the way that they know how to make the cinemas work. And that's the way they keep the competition out. So nobody can get in and play with risky storytelling. And the angel model has opened that door again. Yep.

I think that door is wide open now. Is it because you guys now have contacts? I'm still a little foggy on the whole process. So you, I mean, I know you have the 100,000 investors that pick the thing, they'll fund the thing. And then- We can predict the Rotten Tomatoes audience score based off the guild.

Oh, nice. And then in addition to that, we have, well, we're using- We can predict the audience Rotten Tomatoes score, not the critics. Yeah. The print and advertising marketing budget normally comes from a bank or from a big studio.

They write one check. When we're getting the checks from 7,000, 10,000 people, it's the smartest marketing funds that have ever been spent in Hollywood because all those people bring their family and friends they talk about it and so it becomes a movement it becomes something where people uh have to be part of it um and additionally like with our history of selling products and making them household names we had this moment click where we realized that selling seats

is no different than selling squatty potties. And squatty potties, by the way, work. Yes, they do. What's the movie that you guys are coming out? October, I think. October is After Death. After Death. What's that thing about? Is the trailer out? I can text you the trailer.

Jordan, why don't you get in? Yeah, Jordan, we haven't talked to you much on the show. Can you just make your younger brother do things in the background over here? I'll give you my number after the show, Jordan. I think it would be okay just showing a preview of it if you guys just want to show a rough cut of the trailer.

Is it on YouTube? No, it's nowhere. You'd be watching a draft. Let's just do it. How do we get it up? Let's just do it. How do we do it? Jordan will hook it up. It's not actually out yet. This won't be the final trailer.

This is a draft of the trailer. Yeah, but now we're, yeah, let's do it. Oh, wow, sneak preview. Timcast IRL viewers. While they send it over, can I say? Yeah, where are we sending it? Jordan, figure it out. Maybe with Surge. Yeah, go to Surge and get it with uh jordan figure it out maybe with surge

yeah i'll go to surge and get to him what is it like maybe with a bunch of your brothers maybe here i'll go i'll go get the get it and then send it to surge somehow it sends you a link and then maybe you can pull it up sorry hannah claire that's okay yeah you know we need that we probably need the video file we need to be able to play it something you'll be able to download it is it yeah okay cool yeah we can download it we'll figure that out um so having um so they're six brothers so they're nine in our family six boys and three girls and um the so in the beginning there were some struggles figuring out how to work together but after we nailed it and after we figured it out it's it feels providential how the skill sets of our family complement each other and it just so happens that there have been many

other companies that have been very successful that are brothers the disney brothers or families yeah roy roy and walt uh you've got the warner brothers you've got the Koch Brothers, the Nolan Brothers, you've got the Musk Brothers. And so when family can figure out how to work together well, there's power in that. And so it's really worked out well for us. And three of you are involved

and a cousin, you said, or all six of the brothers? So four of us and a cousin started this company. Only three of us work a cousin started this company. Uh, only three of us work here full time. Uh, we have another brother who is the showrunner for Tuttle Twins. Oh, cool.

Uh, we have a brother who is, uh, is, um, leads the consulting agency. And then another brother who ended up, um, being the operator over at Vidangel when it got sold like the guy who's the ceo of vidangel uh hired another brother to do that that's interesting so if you have more jobs you just enlist the rest of your brother no it sounds super nepotistic but it's no maybe it's nice because you guys know each other i mean the other one is the ringling brothers and there were like 400 of i mean by that i mean i think there were like eight ringling brothers and they each did different things and had different skill sets. And that was ultimately a huge part of American culture.

If you're just kind of cast from the right die, for us, the casting comes from just being farm boys in Idaho and just a farm family. That's where you guys grew up in Idaho? Yeah. And Jordan over here in the background, he left after co-founding with us. He left for a while and he started another company called Cove and grew it to like a hundred million dollar company. And then it ended up being our, like other team members and our board who decided to hire him back because we didn't feel like we could make that decision. And they hired him back and it's been great to have, like he's been like

filled out the team and helped the team so much so it's definitely not nepotistic in our unless that can be defined in a good way i'm not trying to imply it's nepotistic it's just interesting because some people feel like you know you can't work with your spouse you can't work with your siblings uh but obviously and it is it's really hard to work with family members but when you can make it work, something happens that, uh, other coworkers say, uh, you guys need to just like talk more because you have this like nonverbal communication happening where you know what's happening with each other. Yeah. And it makes it a little harder. They're like, they're like the three brothers that are operating in the company. You guys are like our together

are like our CEO. You're like the Elon Musk, the three of you together. And then the rest of us have to figure out what you guys are actually thinking because you don't- You don't need to communicate as clearly because you're- We don't. And it works really, really well. We get the,

everybody else just has to figure out how to, what we're thinking. Yeah. And so when you started the company, you were all in Utah. Is there a benefit for the film? Because there are certain states that are sort of cultivating film industries from what i understand is utah one of them so uh provo actually was one of the one of the it's a very good capitals of media like the number of youtubers that were in provo when we

first started this company it was like the fourth in the world. Yeah. Yeah. Well, cause they were, from what I understand, they led like sort of lifestyle vlogging. Yes. And, and there's, you know, the piano guys are from Utah, Devin Supertramp, um, uh, Lindsey Sterling. So there were a ton of views. But not just that it's, it's a, we, Utah has a very strong ad market so advertising agencies are very very strong in utah and we have a very very good tech market and so angel studios our core competencies are technology and marketing that is what we're very very good at and then we work with amazing filmmakers to get their content to go global so i think we can try and play it I don't know how it's gonna look

do you want to switch over and see what it looks like you just go full-screen uh we can't but it's fine if it can't I think this is screen this way so yeah I don't know if we can even do that it should should be fine yeah all right well we're doing in that yeah maybe maybe switch to the Justin just Yeah, maybe full there. Yeah, I don't know feel now I'm a screen full screen cuts. I thought yeah Go back to the other one and we'll just play it. Yeah looks bigger there So this is a rough cut Got you at school. It 1969, the beautiful day to fly.

We were about 100 feet above the ground when I started noticing that something was wrong. It was engine failure. Trees were filling our windshield. We hit that dome, boom. I found myself above the crash site. And while I'm processing what I'm looking at, I can see a pilot. And this is me.

No two near-death experiences are the same. Out of nowhere, a trailer truck hit me head-on. But they typically occur in a very consistent process. We began to go down the river, and my boat became pinned. I was drowning. The first thing that happens is called an out-of-body experience. And they come to a place of exquisite beauty. They very commonly see a light. Deceased relatives come to meet them.

The first person I saw was my grandfather. Now I'm traveling like a rocket ship straight upwards. And with that... Oh my God! I'm alive! But not every near-death experience is a good one. 23% had hellish experiences. I saw a black tunnel. I was just falling. I wasn't in fear, I was in terror.

It was just darkness. Put me back. I don't belong here. I heard a voice before I woke up. You still have a purpose on earth. I was very skeptical. I never felt alive and then dead. I felt alive and then more alive. I had full brain recordings from the dying human brain. Even though they were unconscious, they were able to give corroborative evidence.

She's describing stuff that she just shouldn't know. This ain't right. You can't be mystified by that question. What happens after you die? This really does show that there is life after death. Oh, man, it looks awesome. Yeah.

I got chills when the hellish scene happened in the, wow. That's really well made. It's an impressive, the guild, the guild picked this angel guild, pick this and it just popped out, you know,

getting 60 filmmakers a week in the guild. It's just like, boom, this is, this is one of them. And, um, and we're going october because the day of the dead is in october so that sounds fun yeah it sounds fun it's a good good juxtaposition it's like narrative documentary like cinematic components added to interviews yeah that's awesome we're we're it's it's so

cinematic are all the theaters going to be like, we got to pick up this movie because Sound of Freedom is so good. This will probably be a smaller release than, for sure it's a smaller release.

This is a, this is a littler, like there'll be enough theaters that people can find it, but it will be a smaller. This will be more similar to his own. Oh, my theater has it.

Yeah. More, more similar to his own. That's going to be fun for Halloween. That's good. Do you feel pressure now that like Sound of Freedom is so big? You're like, well, what do we do we do next well i think cabrini is going to be

bigger that level and then we've got a one coming in 2025 called david and it's a 60 million dollar animated musical because what king david and he's based on like old school disney style like the way it used to be yeah like like uh it's a bunch of people from the pixar team team that have come together winning a culture war man but this this is awesome because most musicals everybody just breaks out music for no reason and in david king david was a musician and he was called into salt king saul to actually sing to bring down his nerves or whatever it was it sounds like a emotional issue for King Saul, like schizophrenia or something when you read it. But he brings down his nerves because he's such a,

and he wrote the entire, like most of the book of Psalms, which he's just an incredible artist. So the music's all motivated throughout the entire animated musical because David's a musician. So it's a very interesting take, and I think it's going to be huge. I want to, you guys said that this trailer we just watched is a rough cut.

So what would be an example of how that would change as you're finalizing the trailer, like technically? There's tweaks for messaging mostly. The audio's mostly there. It's not sweetened yet or balanced. So maybe that didn't turn out as well online,

but you got a sneak peek. It's a sweetened yet or balanced. So maybe that didn't turn out as well online, but you got a sneak peek. It's, it's a live stream. But the, and then you've got different messaging things where there's like, should we put, like one of the debates was, does the dark stuff, should the dark stuff be so prominent in the trailer, or is that going to put some people off and we're trying to figure out if that and and my my wife responded the same way she's like that's the most that's like so

intriguing like i've never seen anybody first off these these kind of stories are very common i've i've had like neighbors that have had these type of experiences but they're're also spread out and not ever, no one's ever gone through and just like told them in a really good way. That's, that's scientific as well as good storytelling. And, um, this, this film, I read, I read a book about, uh, people call them near death experiences, but the stories are actually death experience. That's right. They're death. That's right.

Every single one of these, they're dead. Right. People who... They are legally... They're like doctors who said they're dead. 20, 19 years ago, someone lent me a book, and I was reading this guy,

collected a bunch of stories of all these different people who had different, totally and dramatically different means of dying. Some, they were sick and they were on their deathbed in the hospital some were in car accidents some people slipped fell hit their head things like this and then they all described very very similar things much like what was actually in that trailer how they described a place of beauty or a light and things like this

uh i want to ask one last question before we go super chats video games you guys gonna any video video games so we experimented with a game with what Roblox with feather I think wing feather saga will eventually be a really good video game yeah it was built in Roblox no no it's built in wing feather saga is really interesting because they animated it and they built specific kind of animation if you look up wing feather

saga trailer the this animation is designed. It will remind you, it came before Puss in Boots, the new one. Yeah. But it has some of the similarities. Puss in Boots, these guys pioneered this type of animation. And they used Epic's Unreal Engine. Unreal Engine. And they designed an entire way to animate with Unreal Engine,

which means that it's easy to bring it into a video game. Yeah. It's built to be able to make a video game. Yeah, the future, I think movies and video games are kind of coming together where you can become the character in the movie and experience it from different perspectives. I got one last question for you, Tim.

Would you let them hook your brain and body up to a recording machine, perfect resolution recording, and then let them kill you and bring you back to life? No. What? What do you mean? Just wondering. That's part two.

I wonder if that constitutes suicide. Or murder if they kill you without your consent. Well, no. I mean, if you choose to go into... In Canada, you can do it. But if you choose to go to a lab, and they say, we're going to induce death and then bring you back, would that be suicide? As long as you're in Canada, it's fine.

But I'm speaking spiritually and morally. Are you now condemned to hell for the mortal sin of killing yourself? And if they fail to bring you back, did they murder you? That's a good question. Yeah. I would assume that people are doing something like that.

Part two of After Death. I like it. But the video game stuff would be cool. Still happening. murder you that's a good question yeah i would assume that people are two of after death i like it but the video game stuff would be cool there's still after still happening one of the one of the uh final fan i played final fantasy 16 i thought it was not that good uh some people are saying it's so great i'm like uh horizon the horizon series is actually really really good i don't know if you guys have played it but it's it's it's it's great storytelling long story short uh guy invents self-replicating war machines one of them gets a company that contracts a group of these machines gets locked out the machines start self-replicating faster and faster the rate of replication overwhelms human capabilities to stop it planet gets destroyed

the last ditch effort is to build it a terraforming system on earth so the game takes place in the future after civilizations collapsed and you're fighting these gigantic machines and then you later learn those machines were actually terraforming the planet some problem happens chaos conflict etc but it's cool to to you know stories like that some people don't like it i like it although the uhbidden West is irritatingly woke in that all the bad guys are dudes and all of the heroic generals of the good guys

are women. And it's just like at a certain point come on, man. And they make you fight women all the time. And I'm like, it is kind of weird that in this game you go around just mercilessly beating women. But they wanted all of these fighters to be very prominently female. and I'm like, it's just a game where you go around beating women.

Even if they were going to do it 50-50, you'd have some guys here and some guys there, and it's like, mostly women. But video games would be cool. Let's go to Super Chats! If you haven't already, would you kindly smash that like button, subscribe to this channel, share this show with your friends, and head over to TimCast.com, become a member to support

our work directly, and we're going to have a members only uncensored show where you as members can call in and talk to us and our guests and ask questions that's the most fun part of the night but for now we will read your super chats i'm not your buddy guy says i've come to the conclusion that western intelligence agencies specifically american have grown beyond their scope and are more of a problem than solution. Do we dissolve or reform them? If so, how? You vote for Donald Trump and then you defund and dissolve.

Or Vivek. Or Vivek. Vivek said he'd do it. Larry Elder said I could be his press secretary. Which one will really do it, though? That's the question. Vivek. Because I like Vivek. I like RFK.

I couldn't vote for Trump because he was for the lockdowns. Like I just, and his spending. He wasn't for the lockdowns. He wasn't against them. He was against them. He said, he said, we shouldn't do this. It should be by choice, but I don't have the authority. And then I don't think he said that articulately.

He was like, I can't do it. It's the governors. They could do it. They're doing their thing. He was, he was for it in the beginning. It was too for it at the beginning. The 15 days slow spread was like. Yeah. So for so for me that's where that's where he loses me but i i really like um vivek vivek and i like uh i like rfk jr i think vivek is how it is

i thought it was vivek but it's vivek like cake okay good i've never said it out loud i just read it dude he's legit that guy's awesome i mean out loud. I just read it. Dude, he's legit. That guy's awesome. We just interviewed him last week. He's sharp. He's the best guy running, in my opinion. But I'm a realist, not an idealist. And he didn't offer me a job, so what's the point?

Vivek's ability to win. We can be idealists during the primaries. Idealistically, I'd love to see Vivek win. Realistically, I think he gets a cabinet position in a Trump trump administration trump's the guy with the gravitas to win he said that he wouldn't take a cabinet position because he's not wired to take a number two position and i just thought that was like a very interesting very self-aware comment but maybe he'll change he wouldn't be able to do it he said like some people like would you see a vice president trump and it's like it's very difficult to imagine a vice president all right here we go raymond g stanley jr says tim forget about corn pop he was merely just a bad

dude coconut and monkey on the other hand are leading a domestic terrorism campaign against fellow crackheads and they'll only get probation yeah this is a story out of seattle did you guys hear about this ieds were planted there was a shootout there's a drug camp that went up in flames coconut i think was the leader a second in command was monkey like this is what's happening in these cities when people absolve themselves of their responsibilities and their civic duties yep you get coconut running around setting fires apparently there were people in a tent doing drugs fentanyl and then this guy placed a bunch ofEDs all over the place and just torched everything. One dude got like seriously burned and is in like critical condition or something.

I feel like I'm not seeing the story reported widely enough, which is also concerning. What the heck? Yeah. Yeah. Why haven't I heard about this? Well, my first thought was, is I've been launching a movie. Yeah. Yeah.

I just don't think the corporate press is going to be like, did you know that far left extremists have implemented policies resulting in gang warfare in Seattle to the point where forests like are being set on fire and IEDs are being planted and shootouts are happening. And they're assaulting people who are taking drugs that are trafficked across the border. Like, they just don't want to talk about it. Wow. Steve McGee says, if Biden said corn pop is bad, I'm going to assume he is good. Well, the conspiracy theory is that corn pop caught joe biden touching kids inappropriately and joe biden lied about the story for you know brownie points or whatever it turned out corn pop

was a good dude right you know joe biden's got that story was like the kids they'd rub my legs hairy legs it's like what and someone made a cartoon where joe biden's in a pool and the kids are rubbing his legs or whatever yeah maybe corn pop saw him and was like stop touching these kids you you freak and then joe biden grabbed a rusty chain and was like what'd you say to me great story i mean look make a movie i don't trust yeah i don't trust joe biden's version of events i called him esther and he got mad corn pop will have his day all right coco madetta says the tuttle twins books are the best my kids love them and i'm buying extra to give for birthday gifts spread the good news by doing the same what is it i don't know tuttle twins yeah tuttle twins is a best-selling book series that sold i think

five or six million copies that teach kids about the principles of liberty and economics and we've made a tv series based on the book series i'm wearing the hat um that's got this grandma cubid who's in a wheelchair and her wheelchair happens to be an interdimensional time traveling wheelchair and she takes her twin grandkids that are half uh cuban American, and flies them around to meet characters like Benjamin Franklin or Harriet Tubman or Frederick Bastier. They're just all inventors, entrepreneurs, educators. It's halfway through season two right now.

It's growing parabolically. It is a huge hit. You can watch it for free with your kids on angel the angel app or angel.com it's it's it's growing it is killer i know so good a lot of parents use total twins as part of their homeschool curriculum because they produce some some companion stuff so it's interesting that you'd offer a tv version it's the same same same writing team is doing this that wrote the squatty potty ad so that tells you how funny it is so this is it's it's a show it's a cartoon show it's a cartoon series yeah about 20 minutes per episode

we are our timeline for our coffee shop our first casper location may be this fall i'm hoping we were planning on having it open in the spring but uh we're in a historic building so that brings up a whole bunch of complications with what we can do what we can use what we can't use how long it's going to take to get things up and running. But the plan we had and the reason why I want physical space is, one, we want to have a thousand locations all over the country. The general idea that I pitch is mom's on her way to soccer practice with the kids. She wants to get a cup of coffee. She walks in and orders it.

And while she's waiting, there are TV screens and they're playing Crowder. We can get you. We can get you. Total twins for that. And well, better than that. The, the big idea, outside of the general idea, is Saturday morning cartoons where

Saturdays at like 6am we open early, we invite families to come with their kids, we play content that is wholesome, approved and good for the kids. Parents interact, build community with each other, the kids meet each other and play. There will be a food catering or something.

And then what's on the TV? It could be Tuttle Twins. It could be, what's the Daily Wire doing? Chinchilla? Yeah. So getting, supporting the parallel economy,

but just having shows for kids that are good, educational, wholesome all at the same time. We're not going to go near any of the traditional stuff that i grew up with because well they're going to sue us into oblivion and stuff like that so we're going to support the companies that support us and yeah that's that's the plan it's like secular church almost that's awesome that's awesome and total twins is every bit as high quality like um think uh rick and morty but with a moral compass.

So one of the twins is drunk and... No, it's solid. It's good. I love that you're teaching economics to kids. That's what lit me up when I was in first grade. And then they just didn't give it to me for the rest of my schooling. Yeah, we just did. I wanted it.

We just did it. Yeah, my six-year-old comes up and recounts these random facts about Frederick Hyatt. They went and met Milton Friedman and learned about inflation. And my kids are like, oh, I saw inflation at the grocery store the other day. The thing I normally buy with my money was more expensive than last. This is inflation. And I know why.

Yeah, and then they repeat the lines like, inflation kills a nation. And then, or this, a couple weeks ago, they did, they released the episode on hard money. And they talk about Bitcoin and explain Bitcoin. And they meet Satoshi Nakamoto. Ooh. Is he wearing a mask? That went super viral. It's got like a thing with Elon Musk, like blasting off with dogs in a rocket. But is Satoshi like a silhouette or something?

No, his face gets covered everywhere. you never see anything but his eyes but he's explaining the whole entire like what hard money is yeah so it's it's really fun right on all right hank fett says building culture is a slow process that means nothing if it doesn't change the people in power or how the ones we vote for present us anything we do can easily be undone by the laws they pass. Incorrect, sir. Incorrect. And I explain this after your super chat, to be fair. You super chatted and then later in the show we were talking about it.

But there are so many laws on the books that do not get enforced. That's just it. They can pass all the laws they want. If police don't enforce it, they're meaningless. It becomes civil disobedience, essentially. It's on a mass level. Cohabitation is illegal in West Virginia. A man and a woman who are unmarried are not allowed to live together okay that's kind of crazy like no cop is going to enforce that within that same law

you cannot be openly lewd or lascivious as particularly with children yet they still have lewd adult shows with kids at these pride events. No cop will go near it. It doesn't matter if the law is in the books and you can't do it. The culture in the space is shifting. We got to shift it back and say, hey man, leave these kids alone. There's this in episode six of season one of Tuttle Twins,

they cover this issue. Just looping that back in is that there's a song that this guy from Georgia who lives in a houseboat that he's parked in this boat for more than 30 days and it's illegal and he sings a whole song about everything's illegal oh yeah it's amazing anyway did you know that uh if you stop at a yellow light that's illegal and if you go through your light that's illegal no it's the interpretation of the officer so uh they can give you a ticket for either. Either way.

Either way. If you slam your brakes on, they can say it's reckless. It's an abrupt stop. Could cause an accident. You're getting a fine. If you go through it, they can say potentially speeding or they can make up a reason. Disorderly conduct is the easiest one. Every jurisdiction effectively has disorderly conduct.

You could be protesting, holding up a sign, and they say, take that sign down now. And you say, I'm not doing anything jurisdiction effectively has disorderly conduct. You could be protesting, holding up a sign, and they say, take that sign down now. And you say, I'm not doing anything wrong. Disorderly conduct. You're under arrest.

Everything's illegal. Probably resisting arrest, too. Yeah, there are tons of protesters who have been arrested for resisting arrest. Yeah, how many felonies does the average person commit a day? I think it's three. Yeah.

How can you, like, that's the funniest thing. Yeah, we have some friends who are up in Idaho and they were singing outside during COVID. They just won that. They just got an award from Moscow, that's the funny thing. Yeah, we have some friends who are up in Idaho and they were singing outside during COVID. They just won that. They just got an award from Moscow, Idaho.

They got arrested in Moscow during the COVID period. They went outside and worshiped a church in Moscow, Idaho. It made it illegal. And they went out and sang outdoors. And they were, like, tackling them and arresting them. And they just got a huge award for... They won the case. Yeah, they won the case yeah they won the case

all right i'm not sure if it was settled they won or settled sebi rose says thank you sound of freedom angels tech question have you heard of sponsor block i was reminded of it by your lawsuit open source browser extension and a database of user contributed timestamps for skipping embedded advertising in supported slash cracked players. Cool. There's a free open source browser extension. What Fandom says, just got the post that Sound of Freedom is coming to Tasmania

so Australia is getting it. Hyped to see it. Yes, it is. That's right. I think you guys posted it's going international in a bunch of places. Yeah, go to angel.com slash blog and the announcement's right there. Yeah, it's coming to all of Latin America on October.

No, August 31st. August 31st. And then Brazil's in September, I think. Yeah, September 21st. UK's September 1st. I think it's August 16th in Australia. Are all the Harmon brothers co-founders and equity holders of Angel Studios?

Or are there other investors, other people? There's four brothers that co-founded out of the six that co-founded Angel Studios. Do you have other investors? Because we're owned by the community audience and the community too. We have 10,000. But outside of that, were there prominent individuals

who were like, we're going to pledge a large amount of money to help you guys get off the ground? We have three VC funds. Yeah. And one of them, actually, their LPs are from Mexico. So that's interesting. That was the first fund that invested. Their LPs are in Mexico. And then the most recent fund that invested

is called Gigafund, which is one of the largest investors in SpaceX. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Gigafund? Yeah. Wow. That's Elon, isn't it? They did $40-something million. They put a lot of yeah. Gigafund? Yeah. Wow. That's Elon, isn't it? They did 40-something

million dollars. They follow Elon's companies and put money in. Oh, wow, wow, wow. Yeah, because they fund... They invest in companies that they believe will change their industry over the next decade. They invested in you guys? Yes. Wow. Are these guys jumping up on their desks and doing

the Lindy Hop because of the success you're having? They're happy right now. Fantastic investment, by the way. We had a good board meeting last week. They're like, guys, we've got $130 million on this movie. So Giga Fund, yeah, they've put in. And their goal is they just say any company that's going to change the world and that they believe the founders will stick around with it for a decade or two. And part of the settlement was that Jeffrey and I put up our stock against the settlement to move on. Wow.

How does that work? You put up the stock? 14 years. That means for 14 years, our stock's tied up. We're in this for at least 14 years. If we filtered Disney stuff over the next 14 years, they could come after us for our stuff. So you're really putting your word.

Yeah, we're putting our... Your livelihood. Yep, livelihood on the line. Coldy Locks Production says, I always hate when people say, don't fight fire with fire, that makes things worse. Has no one heard how they fight forest fires?

They use controlled burns to fight them, fighting fire with fire. What they'll do in fields, you'll see if there's like brush fire and stuff they'll actually burn a line yeah right and that stops the fire that's kind of like uh an example would be like if they're like sending kids to a sexualized system and you're like yeah that would be great if we could overly sexualize every little kid and that's like you burning a perimeter around the idea so that they're like okay i'm not gonna go that far so that'd be an idea of like fire with

fire i don't think in that capacity i don't i don't agree with that oh that's how i think capacities like those paul morris says become alive start to thrive jm13sc says based not disgraced i was thinking just like not woke not broke i mean it doesn't it doesn't exemplify making money though our Our goal, one, if you want to change the world, capitalism is the best vehicle. Too good actually. Go make money

on something that's going to change the world. Like the only way we're going to get sound of freedom to every corner of the earth is if we make it super economically profitable or else it will never get there. It just can't. And so that's the first thing.

The second thing that we try to focus on is focus on what you're for more than what you're against. If you focus on what you're for, you'll get further. I think you get a quicker start when you focus on what you're against. But if you focus on what you're for, you'll get a longer run. He is a good one el rojo grande says reject woke trash and rake down and drown in cash i think that was great i'm still looking for a positive one you gotta find the rhythm a little bit but it's pretty good reject woke trash and he put rake slash drown so i think i think drown in cash i like

drowning cash reject woke trash rake in the cash oh I think, I think drown in cash. I like drown in cash. Reject woke trash, rake in the cash. Oh, that one's good too. That works. Reject the cult and you won't go broke. Be based and cash awaits. There's really no good rhymes.

No, the first one was good. Reject woke trash and rake in the cash. Yeah. I'm looking for something. Get woke, go broke. That's a classic. Yeah.

It's hard to compete with that. It's gotta be rich. Something rhymes with rich. But I'm loving this workshopping. But really, I guess the idea is get woke, go broke that's a classic yeah it's hard to compete with that but you know rich something around rich but really i guess the idea is get woke go broke also does mean the inverse if you're not woke you will not go broke you know it's getting woke which makes you go broke uh mike z says the wing feather saga is amazing show and book series as a writer myself i've been working on a book for a number of years when my mother caught wind of the series and showed me it i now own the entire book series and i'm blown away on the similarities thanks angels oh yeah and my my daughter who's eight she she told me

for years frozen has been she's like elsa's my favorite movie after watching the first season of wing feather saga she said and this is after years, she said, Elsa's no longer my favorite movie. Oh, wow. Winged Feather Saga is my favorite movie. We got to crowdfund that buddy cop movie. Yeah, me and Roseanne. Ian and Roseanne buddy cop. And Mel Gibson's going to be the police chief.

I don't know if he knows that yet. No, I haven't called him yet. But you should. Yeah, Mel, give me a ring. Buddy cop. It's going to be great, man. What's the conflict? I think we need to find anti-gravity. We need to recover the anti-gravity tech because someone's trying to. cop it's gonna be great man what's the what's what's the conflict you know it's like a i think

we need to find anti-gravity we need to recover the anti-gravity tech because someone's trying to they're not cops it's like secret agents yeah the idea of buddy cop is just kind of a genre so we'll just be like two partners but buddy but it would be funny if you were both like beat cops yes i would love to see both of you be and mel gibson's like i won't stand for it and then rosanne's like ah son of a bitch i don't know only rosie can then Roseanne's like, ah, you son of a bitch. I don't know. Only Rosie can do Rosie, you know. Or maybe a superhero film where Ian, as a beat cop,

is chasing a bad guy who breaks into a graphene laboratory. For sure. Dude, we're doing graphene. And then what you do is, it's not, you know, in Batman, the Joker falls into the vat of chemicals. But in this one, it's Ian. Oh, that's a good idea. And then me and Roseanne become enemies but then at the end it's like oh I'm not going to spoil it.

No no because I'll become kind of a creepo after I fall in the vat. She's like yeah but there's tension after that you know and so we've got to overcome the tension. I'm not going to spoil the end. Hopefully it works out. Oh speaking of graphing. Thanks Serge. I saw you reach for it sir serge was holding it keeping it close let's grab some more super chats

gormall says i never believe in the death penalty until the merchant of death was released some people do things so evil the only way we can ensure they don't do it again is death if they live the chance of those evils still exist and i don't disagree the problem is when kamala harris walks up to you and says, this guy right here deserves death, I'm going to be like, yeah, lady, not happening. I don't trust you. Sorry.

Yeah. Legitimately, it's 4%. The studies show that 4% of death penalty are accidents. They don't get the right person. Think of all the things that you don't trust the state to do for you. So let's not add to the list. Bureaucratize death. It's not a good thing.

And the thing is, on the surface, when you get a governor you trust and he's like, this guy murdered kids, he was convicted, we're going to put him to death or whatever. On the surface,

it's very much like, we get it. And they do deserve death. People, so the thing about abusing kids especially this trafficking and rape and all that stuff is it's worse than murder i really do think so murder takes a life but abusing children in this way rips apart the fabric of human civilization yeah so it's like there's a reason why jesus was so like wrap a millstone around their neck and throw them to the bottom of the ocean that line from uh from caviezel was so good he ad-libbed it he ad-libbed it yeah oh so i didn't know jesus said that that's cool that's like from the bible that

is that is from the bible and that was for jesus says it is better that a millstone be wrapped around your neck and thrown to the bottom of the ocean than hurt one of his kids. It's like, he who would hurt God's children shall have a millstone cast around their neck and be cast into the ocean, or something to that effect. There's different translations of it, but the general idea is who would turn their children from me or something like that.

Yeah, he went total gangster right there. The things they do to kids, when those kids grow up they hold those traumas and it ripples out it ripples out and they act out on other kids or they act out on like most most of child abuse is kid on kid now and but because adults start it and they hit a kid and then the kid goes and does it to their peers but even beyond that a kid who is abused who grows up and struggles and can't hold a job and is traumatized and just harmed, it's going to cause ripple effects.

Destroys their life. And then all the kids they would have had or do have are affected. And it's really hard to break those chains. It's really hard. People listening know that if you're the one who has to break the chain, that is a really hard thing. And I honestly think the only way to do it is through christ that's that's the way you break the chain but chris w says angel studios please create an

unwoke cinematic universe of fairy tale remakes no i like the original content i have to say i like you guys are telling new stories i think cinematic universe is is is a good idea but the only one who's ever pulled it off was Marvel and only for 10 years because after Infinity War people are getting sick of it we are going to try to create a cinematic universe around the founders see that's cool

it's not I don't think people are sick of cinematic universes I think it's that they can't do it here's how it works I think people are sick of the fake hero stories like made up works right no i think people are sick of the of the fake hero stories like makeup made up hero stories that's what people are sick of they love to have a universe of that they get into they made iron man actually it was the hulk in 2008 i think at the end there's an end credit scene no i remember first no uh hulk was yeah hulk was the first marvel studios film

really yes and uh at the end of it uh general what's his face i don't remember his name meets with robert downey jr in a restaurant and that's the it was basically just iron man's next then they made iron man and that wasn't even the good hulk right that was no uh that was the the i i think that was considered to be the better hulk film oh is it yeah it was the one with edwardorton, I think. Yeah, is that the one in Brazil? I don't know. Maybe.

What? But so... It looks like Iron Man was released like two months before. They were both in 2008. Iron Man was May 2nd. And then in June, Hulk came out. June 8th was released in the US. On June 13th in the US. Are you sure?

That's what according to marvelcinematicuniverse.fandom. was released in the US. On June 13th in the US. That's what according to marvelcinematicuniverse.fandom.com Wikipedia and IMDB. But it's a small discrepancy. They were within two months of each other. We just loved that story because they went through bankruptcy at the same time when they started the cinematic

universe. There were some parallels. Yeah, it was Iron Man. I thought it was did the hulk get we're destroying tim's universe right now but i do think that the hulk actually like the story proceeded like like that's where the story fell but but the the general idea was they didn't actually make a cinematic universe they were just putting plugs for the next movie to get people excited. Right. But it effectively connected all the films. Yeah. And so then they were like, hey, let's roll with this.

Yeah. Whereas DC was then like, we're going to make a cinematic universe. And they just crammed a bunch of garbage into a bunch of films. And it was like, this is nonsense. It doesn't work. And that's how it feels crammed. Like it doesn't feel organic the way that other films do. That's what's happened to Marvel too now, though.

It's starting to feel more like DC. We got another shout out. I want to make some new heroes. Right. C.S. Cooper says, I loved Wingfeather Saga. Can't wait for the next season. Also, freelancers. I'm going to pitch my novels and movie ideas to Angel Studios.

Feel like expanding to Australia. What about... That was a question. Do you feel like... We have... David's coming from a south african uh filmmaker they're inside their entire studios in south africa the david movie if that's as far as ways you can get from where we're at what were you asking tim uh rip a verse eric july's coming yeah you guys you know make we we somebody can connect us yeah

make movies based i follow eric on twitter but i don't i haven't connected with him yet i don't come on eric take one of it i'm not super familiar with this comic book series other than the massive success he's had with it he has yeah and then make a movie based on these characters to be fun and take over the superhero genre away from the weird stuff that's been going on what do do we got? We'll grab some more. Lewis T says, the best movies have been from the 50s, 60s. Hollywood is so into remakes

that I think you could bring back the best of the classics and make some winning cinema. We seem to be out of movie ideas. There's gold in the past. I disagree. I agree that there's a lot of old great movies, but I'm over the remakes.

Let's get some new culture infused into the machine. That that's what people are craving i was people go ahead oh people think that that uh that it's that the golden age of cinema is behind us it's just because the model got gutted and there wasn't a path for real risk taking and storytelling and and and we think that's solved for the future the carbon age is upon us yeah the diamond age maybe let's solved for the future. The carbon age is upon us. The diamond age. Maybe let's create that. The diamond. Platinum. Palladium. That takes too long to say. Palladium age is cooler though. Palladium's hot.

That's how you do cold fusion. Weren't opals kind of a big deal for a while? I like opals. I might have some around here. You were talking about it and then the price of opals spiked. I was like, this guy really knows his stuff. This was like last year. I was thinking of the movie The Book of spiked and I was like, this guy really knows his stuff. Yeah. This was like last year. Yeah, I wasn't involved in that. I was thinking of the movie The Book of Kells

which was like an Irish production and it was just new and different and sort of based on from what I know about it from Irish mythology. It's not just like, and now we're going to tell Little Red Riding Hood again

which is a fantastic story if you read to your children but there's just more out there and I think being able to give creators sort of a fresh take and a fresh chance rather than rehashing the same thing over and over again it would be cool to see and i think that's something you guys prioritize you need to you got to give them a hero like a just an epic flaw it makes the character so good yeah i've never enjoyed the superman stuff because he's too perfect. Like I thought almost for a second when they like, which one was it where Superman almost dies?

And I was like, Oh, is he going to kill him and let his son be like, cause he has a son now that's like half and half. And I was like, Oh, wouldn't it be awesome if they killed off Superman and then let a more flawed version of Superman come up afterwards.

And then they've just made a good, and DC didn't do that i thought that would be kind of cool as if they let him self-sacrifice let his son who's now half human just man just call him yeah half man half human then uh yeah it's his son right on all right everybody we're gonna go to the members only show so go to timcast.com click join us become a member and in a few minutes we'll have that members only show. So go to Tim cast.com, click, join us, become a member. And in a few minutes, we'll have that members only show up on the front page, smash the like button,

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We'd love to have you be part of stories that matter. Right on any Any social media? Any Twitter? I'm at Jeffrey Harmon on Twitter. At Neil S. Harmon. N-E-A-L S. Harmon. Right on. People should go see that indie film, Sound of Freedom.

I've heard it's good. Yeah. Go watch Sound of Freedom. It's still hard to get tickets in most of the country. Studio converted to indie film. Yeah. Converted back. Yeah.

That was a studio film converted indie and now then somehow turned into a QAnon thing. Well, I'm really glad you guys were both here. I'm Hannah Clare Brimelow. I'm a writer for timcast.com. You should follow at Timcast News on Twitter and Instagram. It's the absolute best. And you can follow me personally on Instagram

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