Timcast IRL - Timcast IRL #836 FBI TAKES OUT Man Who Threatened Action Against Biden In Raid w/Reed Coverdale

Episode Date: August 10, 2023

Tim, Ian, Phil, & Serge join Reed Coverdale to discuss a Utah man being killed by the FBI after making threats towards President Joe Biden, Elon Musk refusing to hand over Trump's twitter account to the Biden DOJ, Trump facing a fourth indictment as Georgia prepares new charges, & the collapse of the culture of America. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

We got breaking news out of Provo, Utah. A man who was posting threats harm the president. Or you have the story of an overzealous FBI targeting a morbidly obese elderly man who was a threat to no one. Either way you break it, both sides are looking at this as some kind of escalation. And there's a lot more than just that. We're now learning that Twitter was fined $350,000 for snubbing the FBI subpoena. They were trying to dig into Trump's social media and apparently Twitter in some way obstructed them. Elon Musk has previously stated

that the government had full access to everyone's private messages, their DMs, and it seems in all likelihood, Elon was actually blocking this. So we'll talk about that. We've got a bunch of other stories

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Smash that like button. Subscribe to this channel. Take the URL right now for this YouTube live stream video and share it wherever you can. That really, really does help. Word of mouth is how podcasts grow. Joining us tonight to talk about this and a whole lot more is Reed Coverdale. Hey, Tim, thanks for having me back on. Absolutely. Who are you? What do you do? Yeah, I have the Naturalist Capitalist podcast, which I actually haven't done

lately just because I've been working so much. But I'm from New Hampshire. I'm a libertarian. The shirt I'm wearing, if I want to get one thing out, is defend the guard. This is legislation that we're trying to pass around the country. We haven't officially declared war since World War Two and every police action that's taken place since then. The National Guard has been sent overseas, which is unconstitutional. If each state passes this, the president can no longer send troops overseas without declaring war. So that's something we definitely need to pass. Right on. Well, thanks for hanging out. We got Phil hanging out. How you doing? I am Phil Labonte, lead singer of uh heavy metal band all that remains anti-communist and counter revolutionary ian crossland what's up everybody let's rock and roll yeah surge.com uh yeah regarding the rebel thing you heard it here from tim so stop contacting me on twitter thank you all right everybody here's the big breaking news we got this this from the Daily Mail. Utah man Craig Deliu Robertson was shot dead by the FBI in raid after posting on Facebook

a credible Joe Biden death threat ahead of the president's visit to Salt Lake City. They say Craig Robertson, 75, was gunned down on his doorstep by agents in Provo an hour from Salt Lake City after they were alerted to his posts about the president. Messages posted on what is believed to be his Facebook page on Tuesday included bloodthirsty content about how he would. I'm going to I'm going to be light on this one, but just let's post and death threats. Very serious stuff saying the state would be famous for the actions he would commit. Really, really messed up stuff.

Now, the commentary that we're seeing from many on the right is this guy is 300 pounds. He's elderly. He can barely walk even with a cane and wasn't a threat to anyone. So I'm going to give you my immediate speculation in a second, but I want to say this first. You've got the left basically saying this is the danger of the far right, far right extremists threatening the president. Oh, heavens help me. You have people on the right being like, dude, some old fat guy posting on the Internet. It's ridiculous. But the most the best response that I've seen is. Every single time someone threatened Donald Trump, nothing happened. All of these prominent leftists, high profile individuals made death threats against Donald Trump.

Nothing happened. Kathy Griffin held up a pick, a mock severed head of the president. Nothing happened. This guy posts really awful things. Nobody should be posting that stuff. The FBI immediately shows up to his house. He gets gunned down. Now, here's what I think.

I bet, you know, they see these posts, so they're going to go and they're going to knock on his door and they're going to figure out who he is, what he's doing. They're probably going to arrest him. Many people have faced similar things. I'm willing to bet this guy showed up armed

and that was it. Yeah. Look, I mean, first of all, like there's no part of me that's going to defend this dude because like you can't threaten to kill the president at all. I just, I think it's, I think the whole thing is funny because he's dead because like it's dumb to threaten to kill the president and then uh was he like 500 pounds or something he's a three people are saying he was 300 pounds he could walk 75 years old but it's a big dude but like when the cops come to your house you don't need to like it's odd to get into a gunfight with

the cops like that should be thought of as as as a that should be infrequent you know i i think this is indicative of escalation because what i think happens is sure this guy may not be able to actually carry out any of the things he's threatening because he's morbidly obese and elderly but he certainly had some kind of intent now look maybe i'm wrong maybe the cops showed up knocked on his door and he was sitting in his couch you know covered in cheeto dust and said hey look man i was just posting nonsense and they were like too bad and then shot him which i really doubt yeah what likely happened is he was angry and said oh you want to come to my house over my you know you know for my cold dead hands i bet he

said something about freedom of speech to get off my property kind of thing yep and then he was probably armed because we know the dude had a bunch of weapons and so that this is this is this is what happens but i will i will i will stress did we get any raids when people were threatening donald trump no i've heard i've heard stories of people getting their doors knocked down and guys being like don't you do that i have a question like um his posts were direct statements that he was going to do something yeah where the kathy griffin thing is more of like, I hope this guy dies. Well, hers was just her standing there with a severed head. I mean, what does that even mean?

Yeah. Were there documented cases where people were literally threatening to assassinate Trump? Yeah. Okay. Yeah. There was a dude who rushed the stage and tried grabbing a weapon from a cop. And I'm pretty sure that dude's still alive. There was that moment where the guy rushed the stage and then Trump grabs the podium, spins around, Secret Service tackles him.

There was another moment where a guy went into a theater and tried grabbing a gun from a cop and they fought him and stopped him. And there were tons of people posting threats on social media. And we're all sitting here going like, yo, this is crazy. These people are losing their minds. So I think everybody's, that's why I'm saying escalation. Because this guy may not be a threat, but yo,

what is the saying? Those who say don't know and those who know don't say. There are people out there who probably feel the exact same way as this guy and they ain't saying anything. They're not going to go on social media and post about what they're going to do or what their plans are.

We don't, and this is the threat of complete and total destabilization. The best case scenario is the Republicans launch a massive ballot harvesting operation. They utilize ground activists to go door to door. Donald Trump wins in 2024. They clean up the corruption. They fire tons of people. there are criminal charges and trials and that's it we move on the worst case scenario in any capacity is anyone escalating this to some kind of high-level conflict i don't know about high-level conflict but i don't i don't i i definitely see more escalation in the future right you know i i just don't i don't people need to understand dude i still don't see the off ramps

you know right i agree people need to understand what life is like when conflict conflict erupts and i think one of the reasons why they're in history there are stories of countries that undergo revolution and that's it and there are stories of countries that undergo civil war and i think the issue is that for people in these countries that face revolution things get so bad most people just say whatever because i'm gonna i'm gonna try and survive when civil wars break out it's highly political and people are like there's a better way to do things they fight each other over over the way things need to be my concern here is it feels like either we enter some kind of dystopian nightmare

or it turns into some kind of full-on conflict yeah i think with this particular incident it's like phil said it depends on what happened when they showed up i mean if we find out more if he started shooting back at them right as they showed up i mean that's just kind of what you expect to happen what if you start shooting at the FBI. Especially if you're not able to move. Yeah, they're getting it. But, I mean, I do think the escalation thing is a problem. On your point about, you know, the Republicans sweeping all this corruption out, do you foresee that happening in any capacity?

Because Christopher Wray, the FBI director, he was appointed by Trump. And predicating what Trump will do based on what he did is a mistake. any capacity like because christopher ray the fbi director he was appointed by trump so and and predicating what trump will do based on what he did is a mistake they betrayed trump trump's angry and wants revenge so i expect something different from him that being said i'm not gonna i'm not saying it's a high probability or like the best probability but who else you're gonna vote for yeah like ronda sanders ain't doing it like if it's a 20 chance that trump would be success would successfully clean out the government like that's way better than any other anyone else that would be i'm not you know i'm not going to bet on donald trump being a good dude who wants to save america a lot of people are that's their bet my bet is that they

they betrayed trump and trump wants revenge i think trump won trump wanting revenge is something you can count on yeah see i'm actually this this is surprised a lot of people, but I plan to vote for Trump currently, even though I've been one of his largest critics for how he handled lots of things. But I don't necessarily see him actually fixing anything or beheading, you know, figuratively beheading a lot of his past appointees. I just think he's going to drive people crazy. And that's enough for me, like just to drive the liberals insane and make everybody mad. I don't think the deep state will let him win. I don't think they can't stop him. Well, I mean, if they have proprietary voting machines, they can stop anyone. They didn't

stop him in 2016. I know. And they may, they realized their mistake and then they stopped him. Well, he was stopped in 2020, we should say. I think Republicans screwed up in 2020. I think Republicans were in on it. It was Republican legislatures in certain states who are passing these universal mail-in voting laws. In Pennsylvania, they're the ones who helped Democrats bypass their own constitution. So I'm not worried about the deep state. I'm worried about the Republican party. But I think if Donald Trump and his supporters recognize the threats when it comes to these, these, these, you know, shady or illicit voting strategies, which were done legally, by the way,

they're just, I call them shady. If they recognize that and Trump seems to be, Trump's going to win and they know it. And look, I think it's plainly obvious. They would not be indicting him unless it was possible for Trump to win. If they if they knew they could control voting machines and they could do all this, they would not go anywhere near Trump. They'd be like, oh, geez, oh, no, here's Trump. It wouldn't matter who ran. They'd say, please run. Get all your supporters riled up. No, no, no. They are so desperate to stop him. They're talking about indicting him in Georgia next week. They're throwing everything and the kitchen sink at him in a desperate bid to stop him because they're not confident they can yeah you know the only person who can stop trump is trump and i mean he's his biggest he's his biggest he's his own biggest hindrance and i mean in 2020 regardless of all the things you're

talking about trump trump was just he was running an awful campaign in 2016. It was great. He was the new guy on the block. He was anti establishment. He was going to go in and kick everybody out who was ruining the country in 2020. It was kind of hard to make that claim after he'd been in there four years and everything was falling apart and we're passing all these giant spending bills. So I think it's really on him if he wants to win is to really, you know, listen to his base and try to understand what they're empathizing with him on. Because over the last couple of years, he's been a little bit off, you know, like he's cheering on stuff that they didn't support. And he's even getting booed at rallies occasionally.

And when he did his CNN town hall, I saw the old Trump kind of come back when he was pushing back. I forget her name to the CNN interviewer there. And he was making all the jokes that he had made in 2016. He was talking about how we need to end the war in Ukraine. I was like, OK, this is the 2016 Trump that can win an election. So I think it's really up to him if he wants to win. I agree. I don't want to push my my hopelessness on you but i there's there's no way there's no

way only state that will not stop that guy there's no way it's just funny that it's like in 2016 he won and it's like he can't win it's impossible but he did win yeah but he he won because they weren't expecting it they made sure bernie sanders wasn't able they weren't expecting it though they propped him up they thought he was going to lose to hillary they got rid of bernie because they wanted hillary and they got easy opponent in trump Bernie because they wanted Hillary. And they got an easy opponent in Trump. And then they saw their mistake. And they're like, we can never make that mistake again without Trump. I think anybody who's telling you that Trump can't win is actively trying to sabotage our path. Well, anyone saying he can win and fire everybody and save the world is also leading you down a dark path.

No, I completely disagree. It is our only solution. The FBI just raided a guy's house who was threatening death and they killed him the solutions in the private sector it's not these politicians the solution to the weaponization of government private sector we need control of our social media communication technology you need to be able to talk to your community and and rally and organize and support i would i would agree on a cultural level especially with elon musk buying twitter and then blocking government access to a lot of the information that they've been illegally, I would say unconstitutionally

stealing. But we have got deeply corrupt individuals who are weaponizing government. Now, the stories that I introduced today, not even all of them, that the FBI was systematically going after Catholics. They're they're criminally charging people who are walking on a lawn in D.C. Antifa is free to go in every respect. You've got story after story of death threats, violence, the left. They're getting away from it.

It is a multifaceted conflict. I certainly believe culture. And yes, to be fair, private sector is going to play an outsized role in this. But when it comes to what is happening in government, I am specifically referring to how do we solve direct short term political conflict? And when you have people threatening death, what we need is someone who's going to go in, fix the justice system in any way, even it means firing people and people who keep saying, no, he can't win. Trump can never win. I'm like, dude, you might as well just go to El Salvador right now. Because if you think everything they're doing with weaponizing the DOJ is unsolvable because

it's happening before our eyes and they're going after, they're going after now Giuliani and Sidney Powell, Jeffrey Clark, John Eastman. If you are going to sit back and say it is inevitable, it is hopeless, then you should not be in this country. You should run. You should have run a long time ago. No, no. You can acknowledge the deep state and the power they have over elections without being blackmailed and giving up. I mean, but it doesn't mean you got to bang your head against a wall to create a hole.

Like, there are other ways, I think. Like, Vivek Ramaswamy is a far superior candidate. And to act like Donald Trump's a better vote because he's more popular, I think is a mistake. You should go for the best candidate. The guy, always go for the best candidate the the guy always go for the best candidate that's how the best candidate wins well see trump is actually my number three as far as

quality of candidate goes i actually like rfk the most probably and then probably vivek and then trump i'm going to vote for trump just because he's going to cause the most chaos and the most anger from people I hate. That's honestly what I care about. I love how you think. But you would go with RFK? I mean, there's a lot of issues I have with it. Slightly. Because I'm totally not on the RFK wagon.

I'm not either, by the way. I'm not a fan, I'm totally not on the RFK wagon. I'm not either, by the way, I'm not a fan, but like, I'm opposed. I like, I like the fact that he's counter to like, basically like the, the,

the official narrative or to these apps, or however you want to talk about it. But like all of his past, uh, Oh, it's bad. Positions are awful. His position on the second amendment is position on,

on climate change and, and what to do about it. And, and if it's bad. Positions are awful. His position on the Second Amendment, his position on climate change and what to do about it. And if it's, you know, the amount of human input on climate change and all that, all that kind of stuff. All those things are terrible. So I'm super not into the RFK guy at all. Like, I know the other thing is a lot of libertarians have bought into that. And I'm just I'm extremely apprehensive i completely understand the thing is uh the the position he's running for the things he's terrible on he doesn't have much control over where the things he's mostly good on he would have a lot of control over and the things that he's good on

that he'd have control over in the executive i slightly prefer him to vivek and trump well let's jump to this story from the post-millennial because we got more big news in the destabilization of this nation breaking biden doj fines elon musk 350 000 after he refuses to give them access to trump's twitter account the district court held x in contempt for missing the deadline and the social media platform was fined 350 000 i think for elon it's probably a drop in the hat but uh wow massive credit to uh to uh elon and x for basically telling the government to go uh shove off we were uh we were talking about this a little bit earlier and and reed did mentioned back when uh apple told the fbi to go piss up a rope when the fbi was trying to get uh get them to unlock a terrorist's uh iphone they were just we're not

gonna do it but then they eventually just figured out a way to break in yeah but at least apple didn't help them do right you know which is and credit to them and this to me is kind of the same kind of situation like credit to twitter because anyone that pushes back against the feds when it comes to this type of thing i think is a good is good so we also need to protect that twitter account at all costs donald trump's twitter oh yeah one of well that belongs in the museum of natural history i mean of american history he needs to get back on it. He he truthed. We have this truth from real Donald Trump reposted by Election Wizard.

He says, just found out that crooked Joe Biden's DOJ secretly attacked my Twitter account, making it a point not to let me know about this major hit on my civil rights. My political opponent is going crazy trying to infringe on my campaign for president. Nothing like this has ever happened before. Does the First Amendment still exist? Did deranged Jack Smith tell the unselects

to destroy and delete all evidence? These are dark days in America. I completely agree. The sitting president is trying to... This is beyond Watergate.

What is this? Joe Biden just tried to steal private communications from his main political rival. Yes. Let me just repeat that for everybody. We now know. And Elon Musk obstructed this. Joe Biden running for president just tried to steal the private communications unconstitutionally from Donald Trump from his private account.

And only because of Elon Musk, they're obstructed. Incredible. I think technically and I could be wrong. Twitter his private account. And only because of Elon Musk, they're obstructed. Incredible. I think technically, and I could be wrong. Twitter owns that account. So it's technically Elon Musk's data and account. So they'd be, if they were stealing it, they'd be stealing it from Elon. But it looks like they asked him for it. So it wouldn't have been theft.

That sounds like something the NSA would say. Well, I think. We don't own any of our social media. Any reasonable person would argue that our data belongs to us i would like it to but i think legally at this point it doesn't but it should and some on some sites maybe it does if it's in their terms a lot of sites want to own your stuff i gotta tell you i i don't care what ridiculous psychotic totalitarian nazi bs the government tries to argue about why they have a right to to take my private communications they don't the fourth amendment extends to what is my private communications

and they can make all the arguments in the world that when you when you transmitted the message over twitter you gave that message to twitter now that's a bs argument from psychopaths who are trying to bypass our constitution it would be like if you went into somebody's house and had a conversation with somebody else in that house and they were recording you in their house and then you left like technically that persons that own the house would own that communication now that's kind of like twitter no it's more it's more like you have a it's more like you uh buy you rent a mailbox at a big so so out in the middle of nowhere people don't have mailboxes in front of their houses.

Depending on where you live, they'll actually have a mailbox building where everyone goes and collects their mail. Despite having private houses, they go to one spot. So, you know, where we are up in the mountains, these mail trucks can't get on some of these roads. So it would be more like they said that mailbox isn't actually yours. It's property of the post office. Therefore, anything inside of it is our fair game to open and read.

I think the post office can open and read your mail. They need probable cause. The Fourth Amendment protects us. So I will make the fair point that they're saying a judge ordered this. But that means very little to me when it is the president trying to steal the private communications of his chief political rival that's a whole degree of effed up yeah i mean just because there's a political campaign going on or just because donald trump is uh persona non grata doesn't mean that the federal government can just look into his private communications and there is an expectation of

privacy that you that people have when they use platforms like this, you know, so that's why they call them private messages. That's a big mistake. Yeah. That's why you need to encrypt your messages and have end to end encryption. Anything that is unencrypted is viewable by every government on, well,

most of the governments on earth. I would imagine at this point, you're totally right, but the average person doesn't, you know, but that's like saying it's not excuse you know that's like saying the government can spy on you unless you build a house inside of a faraday cage like no if you don't have curtains is to stop them from doing it like it's

if you don't have curtains on your windows no constitution is going to stop the cops from looking inside your that's that's not a fair a fair analogy because when you're sending a private message you are not the average person does not believe they're standing nude in front of a window they think the curtains are up so it would be more like the government has goggles that can see through your curtains and said well it's your fault for only having regular curtains yeah it's like what am i supposed you got to put up lead curtains you do you do right because the chinese government reasonable well yeah sure the foreign governments we're talking about the united states government trying to steal

trump's communications it's any anybody can do it any government could do and that's not my concern my concern is the u.s government violating the rights of american citizens and joe biden trying to steal communications from trump to cheat an election well i mean i think you did you just point out it's not he got a judge's did a judge sign it means very little when the doj joe biden is targeting his political opponent i don't care criminally charging trump i don't care they've crossed the line i just they're engaged in civil war i don't disagree with you but i have no empathy for people that continue to text on their phones with proprietary software to type on direct messages on twitter and youtube without saying this stuff like that is trackable data i get it through your head i have no empathy if you don't get that i'm sorry

i don't i have tons of sympathy for people who eat splenda and drink fluoride and do a whole bunch of other really awful things because the government tells them it's fine yeah well they should because there are there are people who should know these things but it's not the job of the average person who's a plumber or a carpenter or who works in an insurance company to read the news and do the research every day. That's what we do. And so we try to inform them. We try to tell people, hey, man, you got to encrypt your messages. Hey, you got to eat healthy.

You got to exercise and you got to pay attention to what's going on to the best of your abilities. But the point is the average person. Yo, people are out there building houses. OK, they're working are out there building houses. Okay. They're working eight, 12 hour days. They're not going to go online and research fluoride for 27 years to figure out what's going on with the water or atrazine or, or, or sucralose or other stuff like that. So they come to shows like this and we do our best to inform them to the best of our abilities. So I do have sympathy for people. They think their messages are private because it's only

between them and another person. If there was a big red stop sign on the on the thing that said anyone can see this, they would take it much more seriously. But they're not being told that they're being misled. Outside of all of that, the most important thing to consider, it doesn't matter whether or not Donald Trump can be spied on by China or Australia or any other country. It doesn't matter if private messages are not secure. What matters is even if I paint a big picture and I put it in my bedroom, the federal government does not have a right to come and take it without a warrant. In this instance, the chief political rival is being targeted by the sitting president for political purposes.

You're not going to make an argument about warrants in that case. The Constitution has been ripped to shreds and Joe Biden is cheating to try and steal 2024. I think it's interesting that the federal government often uses foreign governments as a scare tactic to let them just, you know, open season on your uh private messages too like the restrict act that's what the the tiktok ban is what it was being sold as because china's harvesting our data or whatever but then the restrict act was just basically a patriot act for all social media companies yeah five eyes spy club this is what they do the united states canada new zealand australia the uk each of them go to each other and say it is illegal for us to spy on our citizens you spy on them then share the data with us and now it's allowed that's how they bypass our human rights and you know that they they've their stories that i've heard that there are people that abuse it like dudes are asking people hey

can you watch my ex-girlfriend and that kind of stuff like you know oh yeah yeah i think the snowden revelations showed that right yeah because they because they if you're you know if you're working in the intel community and stuff you're gonna end up getting friendly with other you know with other uh other countries with other people in the intel community for other countries i've worked on the social media from the inside and it feels like walking down dark alleys at night in big cities like don't do it don't post your data publicly in direct messages on twitter if it's not encrypted do not do it because you're putting yourself in a vulnerable position if you do that and if you're taking advantage of yeah you can blame the victim but like like oh she had it coming because what she was wearing but like you just

don't go down if you if you continue to go down those dark alleys i mean i just don't have sympathy for those people if you know that there's a a risk involved but you're gonna do it anyway just because you're lazy or you don't care i screw off like you deserve it like eat it i don't know what i tell you reality is reality like if you're not going to protect yourself you're not gonna be protected yep the problem with end-to-end encryption is that if the person on the other end of your message shares that message with somebody uh well that's true that's not private yeah that's true if you go to someone and say hey don't tell anybody but you know x y and z and then they go hey everybody x y and z secret was meaningless but uh elon's doing a great job i think he's

working on end-to-end encryption for all direct messages. I'm not sure if they've implemented yet, but it's probably for this reason. I think Elon would prefer not to get fined, you know, $350,000. And it's easier if everything's just encrypted. He can go, here you go. And it's a bunch of... Exactly. He doesn't have the thing to give them, so they can't fine him. That's how Mines does it.

They don't hold the keys. Only the keys only belong to the people that are sending the messages.'s crazy what's going on right now in this country man we have this story from the post-millennial fourth indictment against trump expected in georgia next week willis has stated that she plans to announce potential charges by september 1st at the latest i don't know what to tell you man everything see happening, what do you think is going to happen in 2024? You think there's going to be, it's going to be some peaceful, everyone comes and shakes hands and smiles?

With a degree of psychotic behavior. I mean, they just gunned a guy down and killed him in his house. Yeah. Whether you're, I'm not making a comment on anything other than that, that a guy died. With the level of intensity that now I feel like it's a kind of calm before

the storm kind of thing because it has it has been really chill like news-wise when it comes to the actual election and stuff there there hasn't been any kind of big developments to talk about i mean we keep talking about you know this desantis kind of just petering out that's been the big story for days and days and days or you know maybe vevic is is getting some traction stuff but it's still it's mostly very chill you know not not big announcements or anything like that so i feel like you know that it is the calm before the storm. And it's I feel like it's going to be really, really weird with AI and the way that and the way that's all the deep fakes are. Yeah. They've only just begun.

Yeah. And I think that, like I said, now is the calm before the storm. But I think that once once the election starts or once the campaigning starts getting in going in earnest, it's going to be really weird with people aren't going to know what to believe. You're not. And it's going to be really weird. I don't know that I don't know that anyone's ever going to feel confident about who won an election ever again, just because they're going to feel like they I don't know that people are going to feel like they confidently can say that they made an informed decision that was actually informed by the truth as opposed to, you know, really propagandized. So I think it's going to be a mess whether Biden or Trump becomes the next president. And I don't think we're on the verge of some like civil war.

I think people are too lazy for it still. Honestly, like you might have a few people who are real amped up. But I mean, fbi has been murdering people for a long time that's you know i understand that this is politically charged but everything every murder the fbi has ever committed in the past has been politically charged so i don't think this is necessarily a new thing and uh you know if you're not online all the time you talk to people like they're a little worried about stuff but not nearly at the levels that everyone is on twitter and social media so i don't think that we're at the verge of any sort of conflict when people one of the things that i think when people say that is i think of the

the idea that there's only a certain small percentage of people that are involved in any kind of like political whether it be you know activists or whether it be you know you know um just going out and demonstrating or protesting or whether it be people that actually do you know get violent and stuff it's it's always a small minority of people that that get into you know get into that stuff like tim's talked multiple times about how when he was in egypt like you know there was a the the arab spring was like literally kicking off in egypt but at the same time there were people that were like you know at cafes just going about their normal day and i feel like the people that are on twitter

and stuff are most likely the people that are going to be would be the ones that would be at least the most likely to be politically informed so it seems to me to be to make sense that those people would be the most likely to be politically active up to up to including you know violence i think you nailed it it's it's never the majority it is never like i don't think there's there's a there's for the most part a conflict in history where the overwhelming majority of a population was actively participating in a conflict even in in world war ii we're looking at you know what was like a million some odd uh conscriptions in in in a country of at the time what was it uh how many people were

around then it's a fraction yeah it's a fraction i bet i bet that then maybe we'll like 60 to 100 million or something like that probably less what. What is it? In 1941? Yeah. 132 million. 132 million. And how many soldiers did we conscript a million? I don't know. It's somewhere around there.

Yeah. So that's like, you know, what, 0.7, 0.0 something. Yeah, it's a small percentage. That were actively engaged in the conflict. And the reality is the people who were conscripted weren't actual participants in the conflict in the political sense. It was like, I got to tell you, I bet most people didn't care. And if you went around, I bet there are people going like, yeah, but if you ask your neighbor, they don't care about Germany or what's going on. Yet somehow we found ourselves in that conflict.

So what I see happening, you get this guy who's posting on social media saying this horrifying stuff. You get Antifa. You get violent extremists who go out and the majority of people will cower. But conflict happens. Eventually, what happens is the question of who is in charge. There's that a moment Netaibi wrote about where two cars speed towards the police station, two men in suits jump out, run full speed up to the door, run inside and run to the police chief and say, arrest that man and point to each other. And now the police chief says, which one do I arrest? Who's in charge? What happens then? There's a bunch of different ways these things like this go. You have revolution. You have military takeover. In Egypt, the military took over. The military just decided, you know what?

The civil unrest is too much. And they removed the president twice in the span of, I think, like a year. But most people aren't paying attention to that. I look outside and the guy sitting in McDonald's watching soccer, he doesn't care. I went to the mall in Heliopolis while the revolution is taking place in Egypt and people were just shopping for cell phones. And if you asked any one of them, not a single person cared. And then a day later, the military removed the president who was duly elected. Why? He was he was a Muslim and the secular people in the country. There was there were more secular people than Muslim Brotherhood supporters. But the Muslim Brotherhood was the largest

faction of voters. So they won. It was a legitimate first past the post election. Military said we don't care. But the average person out shopping, I go to a cafe, I'm having coffee. Nobody's talking about it. Now you actually go out and you'll hear people talk about it. So it's worrying to me in that I don't expect the average person to care. I'm concerned about the people who are politically active and motivated. And I'm concerned with, look, if the reality is you're right, nobody cares and no one's going to do anything. Then we're dealing with a federal government that has just amplified their corruption 100 fold to the point where they're like Watergate was a scandal.

This apparently Joe Biden's still the good guy. That is a degree of corruption and malfeasance we have never seen in this country before. And what? Nothing's happening. You know, this it breaks down. If nothing happens, if we don't have a new like the best case scenario for everybody, Trump or Vivek or even Ron DeSantis, any one of these guys who pledges to fire people, the best case scenario is they do get elected. They do fire people. They do start weeding out corruption.

And we turn this ship upright and we start saving it. Otherwise, the two scenarios are overt conflict between angry political factions or revolution. Yeah, what bothers me- Psychotic despots go around and mercilessly beat, arrest, and lock up innocent people. What gets me about these faction conflicts is that I think if there's an enemy of the United States, they would want that to happen. It's very easy to destroy or take over or surpass an enemy if they're infighting, if they're in the middle of half the country's fighting itself. So they want people to walk outside and be like, hold on there.

I think you're the enemy. And the other person's like, no, no, no, hold on there. You're the enemy. I saw it on TV. They're like, no, I saw it on TV. That's what they want. So if people are brainwashed or afraid or dumbed, then they might do that. So not only do we need to weed out corruption within the government itself,

we need to control the media in a way, or at least influence the media so that people are not afraid of each other. Maybe. I think that's, that's naive. I think when you have people like these leftists have come on this show or the culture war who directly advocate for giving children sexually explicit content, I don't know what you're what

you're arguing for you tell those people i'm sorry i am not going to allow you to present this book of adult pictures to children you should be in prison and they argue i've got 80 million people at my back that tell you to stfu now you've got a problem um i'm i mean throwing people in prison for advocating for a book is different i didn't say i mean throwing people in prison for advocating for a book is different i didn't say anything about throwing them in prison you just said you should be in prison you just said that the for giving the pictures to children you said the people that came on this show no no i'm saying okay the people who are giving these books to kids should be in prison the 80 million people at their back voting in support of it and you ask them and they'll deny

it they'll say well i don't know about that, but they're certainly complicit in it. I was just going to say, I think the federal government is a lost cause and trying to kumbaya everybody into peace again is not going to happen. So I think that separation and people going

to places where people think the same way they are is the ultimate solution. I mean, at this point, when I see conservatives crying about the streets of San Francisco and like how horrible it's become, I'm just like, I don't take them seriously anymore. It's like, why do you care about San Francisco anymore? It's so obviously toast and gone or Chicago. Because they vote in our federal elections, which have an impact on whether we're going to war, whether we're not protecting our borders, whether or not the government is increasing the tax rate. So when

you have California bringing in non-citizens and using that to inflate their census numbers so they get more votes in Congress and in the Electoral College, we've got a very, very serious problem with what San Francisco is doing. Yeah, well, that's the problem right there, that they have control over us, and the solution is trying to decrease the control that these other states have over us the federal government needs to decentralize instead of trying to fix it and just get better people into these positions we need to go back to a more decentralized approach like the 10th amendment actually provided for that's the only but i don't i don't completely agree with that. I maybe would have agreed with it a while ago. But now we see the issue of these West Coast states passing laws where people can kidnap children and then sterilize them what happens when you're in oklahoma and uh is it is it oklahoma

let me make sure i have my states right what happens if you're in it might be kansas i gotta make sure i think it's i think it's oklahoma what happens when hold on yeah adjacent to colorado yeah yeah that's the point i was gonna make what happens when you're in oklahoma i think it's actually either of them, and a woman, you know, you're with a woman, she gets pregnant, and then she decides

six months on she doesn't want to be with you, so she flees to Colorado. Colorado, no limit on abortion. Oklahoma, ban on abortion. So what happens?

Yeah, I mean, I understand why people are uncomfortable with that thought, but at this point, that's the only thing that I think is going to

save pockets of society. So I'm asking you what happens next she goes to colorado and gets abortion and that man says well i guess she's going to kill my son and then just sits there and twiddles his thumbs well that's the way it is now i mean to be fair so right right now there is a it's that way now that's exactly what i'm talking about it wasn't that way before it used to be that there was a certain, like, yes, these things would happen. Yes, there are bad stories. But the more people geographically polarize

from each other, the more you're, and the more the culture divides and escalates. Maybe abortion isn't the issue, but you run into that wall of there's going to be a kid kid kidnapped there's going to be a there's going to be a guy who lives in a neighborhood and he's going to have a creepy smile and he's going to go on tiktok and say kids don't listen to your parents your parents are bad

you should do whatever you want i support you he's going to get a message from a kid who says actually i live a few blocks away and i want to get sterilization surgery and the guy's going to say i will drive you personally to california to make this happen he's going to kidnap the kid go to california do you think the parents are going to be like well guess my kid's sterilized or do you think there's going to be a conflict between the major growing cultures between states yeah i get your point is it the case where a a third party not related to a child could take a child to it? Yes. Wow.

Yep. I think that might be specifically in Washington, however. That's a wonderful question. I didn't know about that. Washington State? Yeah. I think Washington State was the one that explicitly said anybody who who helps a child receive gender affirming care will will not face prosecution in their state so when we live in a post-rational society

which we do there's no universal reason anymore and we live in a quasi-democracy where the people of the country get to decide what is right and wrong, basically. I mean, where is the win in the end there? Getting rich. I mean, there's no moral win in the end because you're dealing with people who don't believe in the same thing you do. So that's why I'm saying at this point in the game, you should move places where people do agree with you because it's the only hope. You're never going to convert the country. Sure, sure. I don't completely disagree my point is just that you have to ask yourself what happens after everyone

geographically polarizes i think the liberal cities are going to continue to fall apart i mean and then what and then what happens when people in cities don't have food or water they're gonna leave or they're gonna die i mean it it's going to get bad. They're not just going to leave. So if you look at like New York City, liberal city, most of the state's relatively red. So what is the city going to do when the city is struggling

and doesn't have food or water? The same thing the left always does. Steal it from somebody else. The easiest thing to do is to go up north and go to the rural farms and just seize their food. Hey, it's what communists do.

They're going to say the people need this more than you. They do it in california with the water they tell the farmers who are the lifeblood of the whole state and a good portion of this country that they don't have surface water rights because the surface water has to go to the liberal cities where people have voting power then the poor people who live in these in these farming districts lose access to well water when the farmers drill into the earth to get groundwater to to to grow crops you can already see how that starts to break down my experience in california during the drought made me understand the importance of the electoral college why it is absolutely necessary uh and the senate and and congress how the founding fathers did this it's

brilliant in california you have poor migrant workers and their wells for water run 30 feet deep. There's canal water running through Tulare County. And I asked the farmers, why don't you use that water there? And they said, we're not allowed to. It's illegal. Because the cities voted to take the water and the politicians say, well, the people need water first. So what the farms do then is they drill tens of thousands of feet, thousands of feet into the earth for groundwater, which drains the groundwater. And now all the poor people have no water anymore. Their 30 foot wells can't reach water and the water stops.

The electoral college changes the way the voting system would work. Now you can't just go to this small, I would say, a Republican system. And I mean that in the philosophical sense, not in the colloquial sense. You have to go to them and say, we need you all to vote. We can't just vote to take from you. So that's the point. When you look at why we break things down by states, why they have senators, so that you can't just say, we outvote you. Therefore, we get your water.

Right. And my statement is it's not broken down enough. Have you heard of the Free State of Jefferson initiative? Yes. And California trying to break into three different states? Right. Greater Idaho. Yeah, exactly. Those are the type of things that need to happen because you're right, San Francisco and LA control an entire state now. And that's the problem is all that centralized control. So if that can be removed and dispersed, I think that's the problem is all that centralized control so if that can be removed and dispersed i think that's the only peaceful solution it's not a peaceful solution i don't disagree i think it is a better move to make now but when you have 10 million people in the new york metro and it's it's falling apart and collapsing a decent amount of them leave

and a decent amount of them will band together and say we deserve it and then you get conflict you're going to have people in cities like the colorado river is a really interesting problem the great lakes are a real interesting problem you've got states i think it was arizona trying to sue to uh to claim the rights over great lakes water arguing the great lakes are part of the united states and the water should be dispersed and then you have the great lakes coalition fortunately because i believe ontario is a part of the United States and the water should be dispersed. And then you have the Great Lakes Coalition. Fortunately, because I believe Ontario is a part of it, it's now international and other states can't just drain the Great Lakes. But the Great Lakes need to be replenished. They go down if there's too much consumption.

I see what I see happening with places like San Francisco and why I'm concerned about them is that as they fall into chaos, those people who live there, they need food and they need water. They need shelter and they want security. And if that falls apart, even by their own fault, they will come and take it from you. And that means maybe they just move to where you live and then start voting for things that destroy your systems. Or maybe they stay there. It continues to decay. And then eventually they just start going and stealing from farms, passing laws where they lock farms down and claim property and you get communism i mean how is that not happening under our federalist system we have now though the same thing's happening they're doing that

so every single state if we had property rights if we had a federal system that actually enforced equality under the law you have a lot less of this now someone shows up and says i get your farm they say i sue you now it goes to the federal government they supersede the state and say you can't do that you can't take someone's farm but that's breaking down and that's the issue we don't have a share like it's a it's a combination of things it's not just government it's culture we don't have a shared moral framework anymore you have the rise of leftists and the funny thing is the success of this nation gave rise to weak-minded entitled individuals who seek to steal from others without doing any of the work.

And that leads to collapse. I mean, these people vote. So they vote. They vote to take and they keep doing it. And then what ends up happening is one of two things. As the system starts to break down, you either get revolution or well, there's a few ways. Reform is really possible, but it's really hard. You're either going to get revolution or civil war if it really does escalate to

that point. And I kind of feel like when we learned the DOJ is going after Trump's lawyers. That that like, look, man, it was already unprecedented. The DOJ went after Joe Biden's political rival, Donald Trump. Unprecedented. Now they're saying they're going to go after Trump's lawyers, the people giving him legal counsel. The government basically saying if you provide constitutionally protected

services, legal representation to someone who we oppose, we're going to lock you up. There's an obvious next step to this advocacy. They're already saying they're political consultants. One of the co-conspirators was a consultant, not even a lawyer, someone who advocated that Trump file these lawsuits and seek alternate electors. The next step is fairly obvious. Those who incite criminal criminal actions. They've already made the claim that it's not free speech to incite criminal activity. Right.

So now when they say that Donald Trump's actions in 2020 were criminal, the next step beyond his lawyers is anyone who publicly spoke advocacy for Donald Trump's illegal actions was inciting people to commit crimes. And they're next. So I think the South should have been allowed to secede during the Civil War. And the rewritten history about it is that it was all about slavery, but it had nothing to do with anything else. And that has built an American dream that it's wrong to let people leave this country and wrong to let people do their own thing. And that it's morally correct to bind us all together as one country. If the South had actually left, I don't think, you know, the North was kind of doing what you're describing that leftists do is always trying to reach out and get more power. They were taxing the South a lot more than they should have been um and so that type of thing is happening now that you know the the reconstruction uh mindset has really just like

kept going and given us the progressive era and destroyed this country and unless we finally just break off and say you know what we don't all we don't all belong under the same system. We need to have, you know, different governments that, you know, respect people the way they want to live. And, you know, I just, I just think it's the only way we can go forward. And then what, what happens after that? I think that the leftists are always going to want more control, like you said, but the only way to not give it to them is starve them of it. What likely happens after a separation, if the United States were to break into two and the left called it like Jesus land and the United States of Canada, that's the meme they put out.

The next likely thing to happen is a unipolar Chinese communist planet where trade is going to be regulated under their currency and their rules and their whims. And you're going to end up with not NATO control, but BRICS control. That could go on for several decades, maybe a hundred years. Who knows what that means for Americans is, well, for one, it could mean less war. It could mean that we can live peacefully in farm in our own states and mind our own business. But it means your standard of living drops by some odd 90%. And that, and that's, you know, I'm not saying that's necessarily a bad thing. I mean, the issue is the petrodollar. It props up our economy and makes Americans wealthy based off nothing. When the, when this country splits in two, the petrodollar ceases to exist.

BRICS eventually, BRICS nations basically take over the global economy in oil trade. And that means Americans have to once again, start producing and we don't. So for those that advocate for this, the end result is going to be you will work more than you've ever worked in your life and your standard of living will be 90% lower. Me personally, I don't mind tending to chickens and animals and working on a farm and reading books and just working every day. These liberals, these leftists, they're going to cry. They're going to cry more than they've ever cried in their lives and they're going to beg to bring back back the petrodollar don't you think that's kind of an inevitability at this point though like it's that's that's why i say what avoidable yeah i mean well i mean look

in in the event that uh i really do mean it if you get a donald trump of a vague or even around desantis if they win and they actually do follow through on the things they've said it's not inevitable there's act there's there's there is a possibility that we come out on top of this successfully and that's that's still sort of bad news for anti-war individuals because the u.s machine just keeps on keeping on but to fire corrupt prosecutors to criminally charge corrupt politicians and to reform and restore the actual uh like i don't want to say uh moral framework of the past in its entirety but the core moral frameworks of classical liberalism the founding fathers believed in then things start to repair and strengthen but you've got to get rid of the

rot you got to carve out the rot first and then rebuild there's part of me that does think that if you can if you can wake up the average shit lib right the average liberal that gets conned into illiberal things because some authoritarian convinces them that they'll be safer or they'll be looked at you know as the nice guy or it's you know it's racist to not do this or whatever the the con from the the progressives is if you can convince your average bad liberal that they're being a bad liberal and they need to come back to things like the rule of law the freedom of speech that that things like the rule of law has a big effect on, you know, the criminal element in your cities. And that has a big effect on the economy.

And if you can, if you can remind liberals that these things actually do matter and that they're the way they've been voting and, and the behaviors of the politicians they're electing are actually illiberal. Then I think that you could have a positive result without some kind of massive revolution but without the people realizing that the things that they're asking the government to do are bad illiberal and producing the results that they actually don't like as long as people don't realize that as long as they think that voting for the what sounds nice is the is the

proper course of action there's not going to be any significant change i just wanted to also add that you know not just on a warfare front but on an economic front ever since we've been on the petrodollar the dollar has lost you know all its value if you look 1971 we came off the gold standard standard and then i think in 1974 we went on the petrodollar and ever since then the dollar has just tanked so i don't think it was a i don't think it was a reliable system even with you know competent leadership i don't think it was sustainable i want to show you this picture this is the only path forward right here everyone take a look that's it whoo i'm just kidding this is this this is so i pulled up some ai images that i made because i think they're funny but uh look at this guy's hat like this one guy over here is wearing a very very tiny hat for some reason

this is uh mid journey made this it's uh generalissimo trump but uh i want to show you another image this is uh what the establishment fears donald trump shaking hands with sonic the hedgehog but uh this one is actually the one I want you to see because if you were to actually if you remove Sonic the Hedgehog from this image it actually looks like a real photo of Donald Trump running down the street the average person is not going to be able to understand

that this was generated by AI granted we put Sonic the Hedgehog in it so we know this is not real but this is what I'm talking about with the political battle that's coming up this next year the deep fakes that we are going to see of audio of video it's it's no one's going to know it's real there is not i mean look if joe biden is willing to steal the private communications of trump and try and lock him up you think democrats aren't going to make fake audio of him fake videos of him you're gonna do all that and more can you i mean that that's the stuff that that is is going to be really

really difficult for people to sort through because it's not going to be it doesn't have to be like the official dnc to produce something that looks really good i mean we saw that with the desantis uh they're gonna outsource it video that had the sauna ad at the end they're yeah they're going well that was his campaign who made that or the cc yeah but what i'm saying is it wasn't difficult for them to make that it's not it's not difficult for for a person like the uh carpe uh donkdom or whatever his name like he was doing that stuff in his own time it It's not like you need some big infrastructure with, with highly skilled people.

You just need Photoshop or, or Lightroom or whatever. You're, you're, you know, a dog. Now it's not a dog. What's the,

I don't even, I don't know, but your program of choice. So, so yeah. So yes, your, your point is,

is well taken and, and, and it's, it's something that is going to be difficult to uh now i want to i want to bring up this story for everyone who said that trump can't win trump mocks chris christie's weight don't call him a fat pig the former president made fun of yes of the former new jersey governor and 2024 republican nomination rival in a speech in new hampshire it's really funny because he said chris christy he's eating

right now he can't be bothered when he said that there was like 30 people in the media that were just like yes he's back that's when a man in the crowd shouted out to prod trump sir please do not call him a fat pig i'm trying to be nice don't call him a fat pig you can't do that that is the masterful anti-insult insult of trump when he goes on stage and he says you know you've got chris christie some people call him a fat pig we don't do that it's a bead that's his that's his game and it's brilliant because he's insulting him what do you mean i said don't call him a fat pig you know trump's back i saw that as soon as i saw the story don't call him a fat pig i busted out laughing and i'm like this is what trump excels at he is an entertainer he builds confidence by

being in control of the stage and he's got it now not to mention chris christie is very pro-war so i don't know who's going to vote for that guy anyway but uh i do think this is a sign as silly and stupid as it may be that donald trump has the energy to win again i'd prefer a lot of other people to be completely honest only thing i'm really saying is i hope trump fires everybody you know yeah i don't i don't trump is good at firing people i'll give him that it's just he's never been good at hiring them so that's true and and he wasn't his first time around but i'm really hoping that this time around he's just seeing red the whole time i do yeah i don't i if it's trump great that's fine but the for me it's

like look i want a president that's going to significantly cut the government yeah he's not your best bet no but he yeah he probably i mean compared to who else again vivek maybe i'm just saying because just given like i expect him to piss a lot of people off, but I expect him to sign tons of spending bills. I mean, just looking at how he, I mean, I know I'm a libertarian, but even if you're a conservative, judging how Trump governed, like gun control, spending, expansion of government, like, he was just awful. He's the only one that looks at the uh security establishment or the intelligence establishment or whatever as the enemy i agree with you there so like do you know i i think that he would make significant cuts in the in the fbi i think it would make some i think it'd make changes like a personnel change i don't see him like actually taking a hatchet to it but do you

know the extent of what he did with the drone program i know he made it uh secretive and gave control to the generals his subordinates yeah i mean they stopped recording how many drone strikes were happening under his presidency um so they don't actually know what the number is it was very high though um you know people rightly point out how many bombs obama dropped because it was abysmal but uh trump uh i think he he didn't drop more than obama but he dropped uh more in his first four years than obama did in either four year period so it was i mean he dropped a lot of bombs and then he then there's a bunch off the record we just don't know how many i don't know how many dropped or where they were dropped or anything like that do you think that what's your view of how we handle say like afghanistan or syria just complete instant removal of all assets and personnel so i think i mean it's

a mess no matter how you leave the problem with afghanistan i think i talked about this last time i was on here was the order of operations you know like phil said that you get the people out first and the military out last but also donald Trump had made deals with the Taliban about like, Hey, we're out of here in may. And then Joe Biden came in and was dragging his feet and was like, Nope, I'm going to make my own Taliban deal and we're going to leave in September.

And then the Taliban was like, well, what the heck, why are you still here? So, you know, there are ways we could actually start pulling troops out, but Trump was actually stifled by a lot of his generals.

He wanted people out of Afghanistan. He wanted to start withdrawing and they screwed him up. That was one of the best things about his presidency was the deal with the Taliban and trying to pull him out. So the issue with the drone strikes is if you immediately remove all the troops, you get what Joe Biden did. Granted, I think Joe Biden sabotaged Afghanistan intentionally. The abandoning of Bagram Air force base was a psychotic move what i see with trump and this

is not to defend drone strikes this should never have been engaged in these wars i think trump's strategy was increased drone strikes and pull our troops out then once our troops are out decreased drone strikes we we're gone. Well, Trump increased troops in Afghanistan in the beginning of his presidency. He did start trying to pull them out eventually. But at the beginning of his presidency on war, he was awful.

Yeah, he fired 59 Tomahawks into Syria. He was just ramping everything up. John Bolton. And then toward the end, he was kind of like, all right, all right, all right, maybe I actually should pull some troops out. So I think one of the only ways you effectively withdraw from Afghanistan in the way that would be to you basically use drone strikes as a placeholder as you remove personnel and then you rescind the drone strikes. You need you need a wall to stop what happened.

And I think I think Joe Biden, as awful awful as what he did gave us a window into into into how not to respond in terms of the mistakes he did use a drone strike though after um what was it after i after that isis k bombing right he did use a drone strike and killed like 11 civilians with it or something right right right and my point is this if you are trying to actively withdraw all your troops from say afghanistan you you can't just recall them all instantly there's got to be a tapered pullback of certain areas you obviously don't abandon bagram air force base my point is that i think trump's strategy probably not even his but probably some advisor was increase the drone strikes to create pressure, get our troops out, decrease drone strikes, release pressure, we're gone.

I think the problem with Afghanistan was extending the leave date by like six months. Well, that's Joe Biden. That is Joe Biden. Right, right, right. And then Joe Biden says, we're going to pull our troops out abruptly in the middle of the night

without informing any of our partners in the region, without informing the Afghan security forces. And then they're left with no logistics. So you've got guys flying helicopters being like, where i going for fuel who's is anyone there what's happening just gone in an instant and i think it was all for political optics it was all because he didn't want of course it was trump's yep afghanistan withdrawal plan yep i mean what an evil piece of garbage was it 19 people died because of it yeah i mean i think more than that we're talking about 19 americans right yeah yeah from the isis k bombing how many how many how many civilians

a lot bystanders are caught up in this and now living under the taliban so i mean it's uh you know joe biden is plenty fair game but also george w bush is who everyone really should hate we didn't need to be in Afghanistan for 20 years. We could have had Osama bin Laden in 2001. It wasn't. I do not believe the U.S. went to Afghanistan for Osama bin Laden. No, they didn't. They went there for poppy, for heroin and oil. And lithium.

Lithium as well. They didn't go there for heroin. They went there for lithium. There's actually photos of U.S. soldiers guarding poppy fields because they were harvesting it. And that may be a component, but I think it probably resources strategic access a a pincer move on iran access to lithium seizing the region before china or russia could take it and nation building and they use osama bin laden as an excuse to launch that invasion and they use wmd as an excuse to invade Iraq. Why? Anybody know geography? Iraq's over here.

Afghanistan's over here. Iran be right in the middle. John Bolton said, I think it was in 2018, by this time next year, we'll be celebrating in Tehran. That's what their goal was. I'm glad you brought up George Bush because we talk a lot about how Biden is the worst president ever in people's lifetimes. A lot of people will say that.

It was George Bush. It was George Bush. Yeah. That guy started this. The worst 9-11 war on terror crap, the Patriot Act, all the war that we've seen in the Middle East was started by those people. All the power that the Democrats are using against conservatives now with the

Department of Homeland Security and everything. You can thank George W. Bush. I think to be fair, though, we can say that Cheney was the worst president because I don't think George almost said that Dick Cheney. I believe maybe you fair, though, we can say that Cheney was the worst president because I don't think George W. Bush... I almost said that. Dick Cheney, I believe, maybe

you can confirm this, Reid, that George Bush had actually given authority of the Air Force to Dick Cheney? Is that what it was? He had, on 9-11, it was Cheney's call whether or not to fly the planes to defend the towers. Yeah, it was Cheney's call to not shoot down the plane that hit the Pentagon. And that should have been

the president's call. That should have been the president's call. Yeah yeah but he was reading to children or something and then he was on air force one yeah no nepotistic child daddy's boy getting into power mess of a presidency and then they put his dad's buddy in as the vp to let him run the show if you don't mind me going on a short side trail here just because vivek put out a vivek ramaswamy put out a great tweet about 9-11 um and it was about flight 77 it was about the uh hijackers who flew flight 77 into the pentagon khalid al-midar and nawaf al-hasmi and how they had saudi royalty directly wiring or indirectly wiring them money uh prince bandar who was the uh the Saudi ambassador to the United States, wired money to Mayer al-Bayoumi in the United States, and then he gave it to Khalid al-Madar and Nawaf al-Hazmi, who later flew the plane hitting the Pentagon or deny a plane going down at Shanksville. But if you just deny these things instead of looking into it, you actually find out

that the true anomalies of people doing shady things are mostly involved with Flight 93 and Flight 77. And I'm not the expert on this. I just know people who are. Ryan Dawson, Adam Fitzgerald, They've done extensive research on all this stuff. Go check them out. But Flight 77, Khalid Al-Madar, Nawaf al-Hazmi, the 28 pages of the 9-11 report. Just go check that out.

It's very eye opening. I thought that for 20 years they had one story, which was it was just they were just there working together for fun. Like there was no connection. And then all of a sudden, the last two years, more documents came out that show the connection to the saudi prince let me let me read this from vivek so he's uh he says mike pence says today that he was deeply offended that i don't trust that the government told us the truth and that in the 9-11 commission report he says well i find it offensive that our government repeatedly lies to us here's the truth the fbi quietly declassified documents in 2021 that definitively reveal the government lied to the public about basic facts of Saudi Arabia's involvement in 9-11 until documents were declassified and they

changed their story 20 years later. Omar al-Bayoumi, a 42-year-old graduate student, welcomed, housed, set up bank accounts, and gave rent money to the first two al-Qaeda hijackers after they landed in Los Angeles in January of 2000. Al-Bayoumi claimed to have met the two terrorists entirely by chance. The 9-11 Commission report verified that Bayoumi's altruism was in the name of hospitality, as he claimed. The FBI, 20 years later, changed its story. In documents declassified last year, the Bureau affirmed that Bayoumi was in fact an agent of the Saudi Intelligence Service who worked with Saudi religious officials and reported to the kingdom's powerful ambassador in Washington.

U.S. government officials continue to lie about other matters of public importance, the origin of COVID, knowledge about UAPs, Hunter Biden's laptop, and how our money is actually being spent in Ukraine. The Nashville Shooter's Manifesto, with a complicit media that just accepts the prevailing narrative without question, this fuels rampant public distrust. There is no credible evidence that 9-11 was an inside job but ironically when the government systematically lies about saudi involvement and the media runs interference that lends plausibility to an otherwise unlikely claim there's no such thing as a noble lie with all due respect to the former vp the reason that people

don't trust the government is because the government doesn't trust the people man mike very well said wow he's great i want to vote for this guy yeah do it yeah i do hope he wins me too i think to be honest i don't think he's gonna win he'd need to be selected somehow like obama was well deep state needs to get involved i'm i'm surprised he's not polling higher already considering he's he's broken into second place a couple times and in the prediction markets he has i'm surprised he's just every time i see him do an event he's hitting a home run he's in he's in a grand slam well he basically he echoed or just talked about exactly we were just talking about the 20 years after the 9-11 commission report had lied to the american people about the terrorists involvement with the saudi prince but they didn't bring up the saudi prince maybe at

the time i don't know 20 years later, they admit we were lying. The Saudi prince was involved in funding these guys. When Donald Trump said that Chris Christie was probably eating, he said Vivek is catching up on DeSantis, and he's good. Yeah. Trump was like, he's good. Vivek knows how to play the game. It's all respect between Trump and Vivek.

I like it. Yeah, remember who was like that in 2016, though? It was Trump and Cruz until, right up till the end. They were like, buddy, buddy. You know, like he wouldn't tread on Trump's shoes. And then I bet the gloves come off. The fake has has handled his his reason for running and his criticism, criticisms of Trump masterfully. He's defended Trump on all of the most important things.

Praise Trump on all the good things that he's done. And I think his core issue is that he's mostly just a younger, more active and involved individual who thinks that he could do a better job. What's Trump going to say to that? Good luck. This is one area where Trump really messed up was with the Saudis.

You know, he talked about finding out what really happened on 9-11 when he ran in 2016. And then when he's president, he's over there with the saruman ball with them you know and you know dancing with the sword and you know just forgetting about khashoggi and all that so i don't know the saudi arabian prince was sending money to the terrorist hijackers before they hijacked the planes to mayra biomi who was was a Saudi student in the United States. Yeah, middleman, who then was housing and giving aid to Khalid Al-Madar and Nawaf al-Hazmi. Now, someone funding terrorists before they attack doesn't necessarily mean that they were funding the terrorist attack.

They might have just been funding these guys for fun. There's no way to know. But this is damning. This shows direct correlation between the Saudi government and the terrorist attacks on 9-11. And he's on target. Like what he's talking about here is the real deal. I mean, so many people get distracted by, I'm going to just call them dumb conspiracies, like no planes or, you know, like stuff that doesn't matter.

And he's on target. So good for him. Let's jump to the story about Trump. We got this from cnn security increases for judge assigned to donald trump's january 6th criminal case it all appears to be some kind of escalation cnn has observed more security detailed to judge tanya chutkin and deputy u.s marshals discuss security plans for the judge on monday the u.s marshal service handles security at the dc district court and the spokesman for the

service said it takes that responsibility very seriously ensuring that judges can rule independently and free from harm or intimidation is paramount to the rule of law you know you see this and this we had the story uh that we kicked off with about that guy in provo who the fbi killed and it seems like i mean look it's it seems like violence is on the horizon. And then you think about the fact that, or the story about Andy's, Andy Ngo's situation yesterday. How the entire court seemed to be against him. But Andy did win. So in this particular case, he loses against these two individuals.

But the court found the other defendants in default in default or whatever. And I think what happens is fairly obvious. Andy sues a handful of these far left extremists. Then they all meet together. And my my my opinion and assumption on what they probably did was, hey, you guys actually did it, so don't show up. They'll hold you in default. You'll lose, but we don't want it on the record that you actually did it. Then those who weren't involved will go, say, I wasn't involved. I didn't attack him.

And then you'll get a trial where it's Andy Ngo loses. So he won against a couple of defendants already. They're in default. What does that mean that they're in default? It means like no contest. They didn't show up, so they lose. So they're found guilty? It'sants already. They're in default. What does that mean that they're in default? It means like no contest. They didn't show up, so they lose. So they're found guilty?

It's not guilty. It's a civil trial. They're in default. So they made no argument. Yeah, to what extent? I'm not entirely sure. Right. Against the guys who likely attacked him.

They probably, and apparently one of the guys showed up after the fact, after he was already found in default. He tried showing up in the stands or whatever. But the story about Trump and the judge and the judge getting more security apparently people are saying that the judge is that basically what's happening is they're they're insinuating there are very serious threats from the right against the judge because of things trump's been saying and they're trying to make it look like trump is a persistent and consistent threat i support them getting security for any judge at this point.

But I do agree that I think this maybe is a play to make it look like. No, it's not. Look at look at look at the way that they they behave about the right all the time. It is constantly that the right is dangerous. We need security from the right. The right is going to do this. the right's going to do this the right's going to do that and if you look at the past couple years you know you've got justice uh steve scalise was shot by a bernie sanders supporter you got people showing up at uh supreme court justices houses saying that they're oh we're gonna you know i came here

because i was gonna kill the guy um yeah but phil a guy dressed up in a Buffalo costume and went into the Capitol once. Right? I mean, but that's the thing. He was on Michael Malice's show, by the way. He was today, yeah. Jacob Chansley. You've got actual, you know, you've got people actually throwing, you know, Molotov cocktails at police in Portland.

And all that stuff is mostly ignored. There's an attack on the White house that makes trump go into the bunker and all that's ignored but then you know the right does anything and then and it's it's uh that's the most amazing hypocritical moment right there but it's not hypocrisy i've said this a bunch there's this dude herbert marcus who wrote papers giving the logic giving the justification it's called uh uh repressive tolerance it was it came out in 1964 or an essay on tolerance i think is what it's called came out in 1964 herbert marcus is a rock star of philosophy of on the left he wrote a bunch of books uh coincidentally he was also influential

influential when it comes to queer theory he wrote this book called eros and civilization he wrote a book called one dimensional man but all these things that we're seeing in reality here in or in society now these things are all at least outlined in in leftist theory books decades and decades ago they're just manifesting in reality now all this stuff is completely predictable and you can see you can just go and find the arguments and read the arguments for this behavior if you want to. It's not like the right is making it up. Is it fair to say that Marcuse was writing like a playbook of how to win a cultural revolution in the United States? I don't know that he was writing a playbook. I think that he was more a philosopher overall than an actual tactician, but possibly, I don't know.

I don't know if you... I think I would defer to someone that's more familiar with Marcuse's stuff. I haven't studied his stuff. I see. I guess there's a difference between strategy and tactics, so is he more of a strategist? I thought that was like Salilinski stuff, that guy who rules for radicals and

he was really like a tactics dude as opposed to, so I mean I guess maybe someone like Mark Hughes was a strategy guy and then Alinsky was more of a tactics guy, you know, like on the street or on the ground how you actually affect these ideas

or make these ideas manifest in reality. I want to pull up this tweet from Julie Kelly. She tweets, Jack Smith errantly claimed that Trump was a flight risk to convince Judge Beryl Howell to prevent Trump from knowing about the Twitter search warrant. Beryl Howell agreed that Trump would flee from prosecution, writing, the district court also found reason to believe the former president would flee from prosecution the government later acknowledged however that it errantly included flight from prosecution as a predicate in its application they have already laid the groundwork

to remand trump to custody under the under the idea that he will flee if they try to uh to convict him and so this is what i was saying before. If the charges against Donald Trump are legitimate. If they genuinely believe it. Trump would be locked up right now. They would not let him leave. The man owns several jets, helicopters. He's a billionaire. He has buildings with his name on it.

He owns buildings all over the world. He could go to any one of these countries. He has the absolute capabilities to flee. The only reason he wouldn't is because he's running for president but they have made the argument already we're getting this information out of the the the twitter revelation that they're trying to seek information from his twitter account they're they're actually arguing now that trump's going to try and flee so how long until they remand him to custody how long until they make the argument that trump should not be free and then they stop him from campaigning i don't know i

thought that they were not going to do that this is this just came out today that they errantly included flight from prosecution as a as a predicate what does that mean they accidentally had his his flight risk in there and then they took it out i think they what they're saying is they did not mean to include that they feel that Trump is a flight risk when facing prosecution. That's got to be false. Yeah. Like, what do you don't make accidents at that level? Maybe.

Maybe they do. Maybe they do. Actually, I don't know. But it seems like a convenient accident to have that piece of data on and off the record at the same time. I think they're going to lock him up. They're trying to silence him. Trump's fighting back. Can you still run if they lock him up yes but he's not gonna be able to go to rallies i mean it sounds kind of fun though i'm kind of interested in that idea yeah i think if they lock

him up he still wins in fact i think it helps him and i think they know they know yes exactly i think they know putting him in jail is gonna give him a major victory look if elon musk is right that is the funniest outcome like he gets arrested and then goes to jail and then wins and pardons himself and pardons all the guards and then goes to dc that would be hilarious yes but there there are many people throughout history who have been jailed by the by their their government or political rivals and then later get out and then win hitler is the first one that's gonna say hitler i was gonna say mandela mandela's the other one napoleon was uh banished and then he came back and went right back to the revolution and started attacking again yep i don't know man i think there's a

strong possibility they lock up trump they're throwing everything and the kitchen sink i think it'd be hilarious they would piss off 100 million people if they did that like beyond man yeah you just that would be the worst tactic maybe that's the real conspiracy theory that trump really is the the you know the trigger no that civil war no that trump is deep state and in order to get him to win with the support of the people you need to make him into the martyr into the victim that people are willing to get behind interesting it's not that hard to imagine though if you think about like so just do a thought experiment with me for a second imagine if joe biden had been president in 2020 do you think all those red governors would have locked their states down yeah they would they would have been

on the opposite side they would have said oh no you know yeah they would have been like resisting the tyranny of joe biden where with donald trump saying hey guys we got to do this you know all the red states kind of like okay whatever so some didn't it's a work slowly started to turn around yeah but the the argument would be how do you get a libertarian to vote for a republican president make him funny a pro-law enforcement no you make him the martyr you make him you make him the persecuted you make him the anti-establishment you make him the anti-government i was talking about this with bitcoin i was like you know if i was a world economic forum globalist billionaire and i wanted a one world currency. How would I do it?

Because we've heard that conspiracy over and over again. They're going to make a one world government currency. Alex Jones has been talking about it for decades. I'm like, well, you got to get the crackpot conspiracy theorists to be the ones pushing and advocating for it. Because you come out against them, then you get that whole network of people paying attention to politics. They're against you and they don't want to do it't want to do it so then i see bitcoin and all of a sudden i see the likes of these anarchists anti-establishment conspiracy theorist types all saying it's the future and you have to use it and i'm like so this this you're calling it i don't know if they call it a currency these days or whatever but it's like global financial transaction

system that can be tracked by anyone at any point right and they can know everything you're doing and y'all are advocating for i'm like that's a this is like a one world unified currency well i mean you know i'm like i'm not saying that that's true i'm just saying if you want a one world currency bitcoins or i should just say crypto in general is a fast path especially considering they can track everything you're buying. Yeah. I'm a gold bug. So Phil's got to defend Bitcoin. I mean, I'm, I'm a fan of Bitcoin as well as gold and silver. And I've got a little bit of all that stuff.

I'm not a one, a one way kind of dude. That sounds a little, that the guys in town and, and a tower gang are going to pay, they're going to punish me for that. I like that. You can create your own crypto and use it locally for things, even though the government would want to take taxes from you, you can still do it.

And things like someone just texted Monero. Gustav said that in the chat. Yeah, Monero apparently is untrackable or more challenging to track. Zcash. What happens when they tell Trump, they say, where are you currently residing? It says Bedminster, New Jersey. And they say,

okay, don't leave the state. What about that? That's a half scenario. It's like, they're not jailing him because they don't want to give him any, any hard political martyr benefits. He probably would not leave the state,

go nuts on social media. They're not letting me leave the state. This is unconscionable. I'm stuck here in this beautiful palace in Bedminster, you know, but I think he would stay there and just do a lot more media. I have social media. I don't know if he went and he said that he was in Florida.

I imagine he couldn't get he wouldn't get remanded to. It's going to be a federal judge who says, like, we're going to release you, but you have to stay in a certain area because we want to make sure that you don't flee. Blah, blah, blah. Maybe. I do want to see this, you want to see trump arrested what i want trump remanded to custody i think i think what the fact that they arrested him and let him go proves they're lying about everything they they they're accusing the guy of trying to overthrow the government and they're like yeah you can go go do whatever you want yeah so what i find interesting is they can't you know prosecute him for war crimes because they'd be complicit in the same things they tried to go after you know they got to go after biden obama bush clinton oh boy we can go all the way back and they'll like the let him go thing is like we think you did a

crime but you can go it's kind of like here take this package whatever you do don't take it across the street to that 7-eleven don't do it and then they just watch and they're waiting waiting for him to take the package across the street they're like we just want you to flee man we just want you to do something to give us an excuse to crack down a hundred times harder james got big jet he can fly wherever he wants so do you do you think trump will put his foot down on ukraine because he yes the again i i judge a man by what he does, not what he says. And,

you know, to his credit, he did talk to Putin and he kept an open line of communication for the most part, but he also was the guy who initiated lethal aid to Ukraine. Obama, like he even bragged, Obama was only sending pillows and helmets or something like that.

I'm sending them missiles. And I mean, he, he was responsible for a lot of the escalation. He tore up the INF treaty, was only sending pillows and helmets or something like that i'm sending them missiles and i mean he he was responsible for a lot of the escalation he tore up the inf treaty the open skies treaty you know so i don't know like i i just don't believe what people say i believe what i do i think i think the war ends the moment he gets elected yeah i think putin is going to ceasefire and then he's going to say we're waiting and trump's going to say, we're waiting, and Trump's going to go. And I think a likely scenario, if Trump did get elected, is the Donbass goes to Russia, Crimea and the Donbass go to Russia, Ukraine retains everything else, fighting stops. I mean, I would like to think that could happen because it's a very low bar.

All we got to do is stop sending billions of dollars and the war ends, which the media is even starting to admit that now that Boris Johnson went there and disrupted peace, peace agreements. So yeah, NATO countries want, they want war. I mean, look,

I think many in the West, United States, particular, particularly are saying, this is our chance to, it's a Cassisbelli for war with Russia. We needed a way to justify war with Russia and now we have it, but Russia needs to push harder. Russia needs to attack a NATO country so that NATO can invade

Russia. That's what they want to happen. And they'll keep doing it until Russia has no choice. I wouldn't be surprised if you get NATO military forces firing from inside NATO territory at Russians. You've already got a story about a Russian strike that it was 600 feet from Romania or something like that. So we're getting dangerously close. Donald Trump is going to go in and be like, nope, no more fighting. He's going to go to the, he's going to go to Ukraine and be like, you're not getting any more money from us. And they're going to go, okay, we want peace. No more funding, no more military. You, they're not going to be able to support any, any effort against Russia. How entangled do you think the deep state is with this war right now?

How much vested interest do they have in seeing it through? 100%. Then they'll assassinate him if he tries to stop it. I see one... I think you mean to say they'll try. They'll try. They'll try over and over and over and over and over. One big problem with your theory I have is Lindsey Graham, how close that guy still is with Trump.

I mean, he is like the epitome of everything we're talking about i think donald trump wants revenge too much when he goes in he is going to be just screaming at the top of his lungs i'm not saying it's absolute i'm just saying what they've done to him now assuming it's all on the level raiding his house going after his family whatever he's he's going to go and he's going to scream at these people. He's going to be like, you're weak. You stabbed me in the back. Lindsey Graham? Sure, maybe.

But Lindsey Graham, what's he doing to help Trump right now? Nothing. These guys abandoned him. They campaigned with him a little bit. Yeah, but they abandoned him across the board. So Donald Trump may be not perfect. There's a strong possibility you get a bunch of BS. But I'll flip the coin

i think there's a good the best candidate right now for firing people in government hey maybe it's one guy i'll take it it's going to be trump no i don't think so i think it's vague because he talks about you can't literally fire people uh you can shut down um like sectors of the of the government where people work and then their jobs are dissipated and they no longer work there right you can't do individual firings um trump didn't know that apparently when he was in office he's like i can't fire them but he could have shut shut them down and he didn't i i think he's not in a good i don't know i don't want to assume too much but it seems like trump's not in a very good state of mind relative to 2016 when he was like we're gonna make america great he was talking about making

things great now he's talking about like i'm gonna go get him you let me back in there i'm gonna get him revenge i don't want that i mean 2016 he talked about the federal reserve and the bubble economy we've created and how lowering interest rates artificially is going to cause problems and then as soon as he became president without addressing any of it it was instantly the greatest economy in the world everything's fine you know so he has a way of talking about the problems when he's not in there and then as soon as he gets in he has awful people you know talking him up and you know schmoozing him and everything and then he just kind of i don't know he listens to bad advice a lot i feel like his instincts are better than the the governing he's done but you know he's just he he likes flattery he likes being

worshipped so that's so dangerous yes and you said uh that you don't want someone that's going to go in there and get them that's exactly what i want i want someone that's going to go in there and disassemble portions of the government like like i want someone that's going to go in there and get them. I want someone that looks at them as a problem that needs to be remedied. The bureaucracy in Washington needs to be disassembled. That's the biggest problem the United States has right now is the massive amounts of bureaucracy. Probably the security apparatus that was built after 9-11 has to be totally disassembled. It has to be because it's been turned on the american people now so whoever's gonna do yeah whoever's gonna do the

most disassembling and i mean it whoever's gonna do the most damage to the bureaucracy and by damage i mean disassembling like taking it apart firing people like getting rid of people that are working for the for the government ending contracts this is i'm talking about serious serious cuts to the government like we get we had a lot of people coming in here and talking about like oh i want to do this and i want to do that and stuff i want the guys that are like i'm going to take the government apart because it's too big it It's the biggest government in human history. And it's totally it has so much redundancy, so much unnecessary power. And so it violates the the rights of of people in the United States in every imaginable way.

Every single bill, every single amendment in the bill of rights is violated in some way nowadays by the federal government and we should take the government apart and stop them i agree the dis about this assembly i'm concerned about the methodology because the two guys that have been talking about are trump and ramaswamy and like vivek's pretty uh articulate and um architectural about the way he wants to end certain programs replace them with some or in some instances not replace them with anything as opposed to the what i'm hearing from trump and i haven't really talked to him about it is uh i want to go get them i'm i'm i'm going back in there to get them and it's like i want to hear about your structural reform i don't really

care about the people that much i mean that's not that's never been true i was gonna say that's trump i mean he's not descriptive like literally's not descriptive. Literally, whether or not Trump has... Trump never has a plan for that shit. I don't think that he has any kind of plan. He's going to go in there and be like, how do I take things apart? Take that apart, take this apart. He's not.

He's going to be honest if you're Google. How to disassemble federal government. And then he'll have to rely on advice and the people that play shell games with him will be like, yeah, actually, you can't disassemble that one. And he'll be like, really? And then like six weeks will go by and he'll be like why can't we do it guys whereas vivek's like stomping his foot like sign this piece of

legislation i've read the constitution 30 times like he knows exactly where to move and to put the pieces to to take this thing apart in a way that won't destroy it i want the destruction well disassembly and destruction are two different no No, they're not. Take something apart. No, they're not. I mean, you could argue. No, they are. They are. If you disassemble, if you destroy it.

I mean, you could argue that disassembly is a form of destruction. I want it. I want disassembled in a manner in which it does not function anymore. So whether you call it disassembly, I'm saying disassembly. So that way I sound nice and reasonable. You can call it. You can call it murder the government. You can call it disassembly i'm saying disassembly so that way i sound nice and reasonable you can call it you can call it murder the government you can call it destroy you can say you can use whatever art you can you know articulate however you want well however you want not like the guy in utah you know that that that's that was very in there's a specific individual i'm talking about the government broadly the bureaucracy so i don't care if you want if you if you talk about you know how you describe it i want the bureaucracy

the function of the bureaucracy currently to end and the people that work in the bureaucracy to work in other fields that are no longer in the government like and then i want the buildings that house the bureaucracy to be raised to the ground or sold you know but like i want to like actual elimination of government bureaucracy not restructure not give it or move it around not a shell game i'm talking about get rid of jobs in the government because i want the government smaller than it is and there's and i think there's too many people that that will say that especially even or even libertarians or small government people they'll say oh we want to limit this and limit that but then they would never ever say i want to get rid of jobs they'll never actually say they want to make real cuts i want real cuts real real cuts

real painful cuts to the government i guess technically they'd be layoffs not not firings but layoffs i don't care do you call call them what you want i just want them not doing their job anymore i want those jobs gone i want those jobs if totally destroyed this is what they did in iraq though you got to be careful with the bad party that was getting rid of people that had a political that was getting rid of a political ideology in in the bath party we're saying the bad part of you that was getting rid of the party the party ideology i'm saying get rid of the function so like the when you talk about getting rid of the bath party you they what they did is they got rid of people that had an ideological perspective that's like getting rid of hussein's political party it's like getting

rid of republicans what i'm saying is get rid of whatever the function that the government that this agency does whatever their job is make the government no longer have that job so it's not getting rid of ideology it's removing a function of the government all right we're gonna go to super chat so if you haven't already would you kindly smash that like button subscribe to this channel share the show with your friends take that url on youtube post it wherever you can it really All right, we're going to go to Super Chat. So if you haven't already, would you kindly smash that like button, subscribe to this channel, share the show with your friends, take that URL on YouTube, post it wherever you can. It really does help. And head over to TimCast.com, become a member. We're going to have a members-only uncensored show coming up in about a half an hour.

And right now, I put up a poll on YouTube. Should we keep Rise with Roberto Jr. or create a memorial blend for Roberto Jr.? As of right now, 73% think we should immortalize Rise with Roberto Jr. So, if by the end of tonight's show, that is the dominant preference among all of you, what I'm going to do is we will alter the art on the existing Rise with Roberto Jr. coffee blend to add his date of birth and his date of death and in memoriam on the back but we will keep it in every other way the same which means the existing bags that we have we actually have a few thousand that are still available will be the last time

those are printed but we will keep it overwhelmingly the same i just feel like i don't want to do nothing i don't want to just have the same thing like we did nothing you know roberto jr our favorite rooster he dies and we're just like yeah we'll just keep it no no we'll make a new bag art so that means that the existing art will be unique and then there will be a very very very similar but we'll say in memoriam with his you know life on the back i think that's that that's the appropriate thing if you all agree that we should immortalize the rise with Roberto Jr. blend. I love the term rise with Roberto. Now it takes on new meaning.

It's like the spirit. It's like elevation of spirit, man. Well, the return of the king. We have to make a new blend for Roberto who's returned. Oh, the beast. He's come back because his son passed and he's got to take care of his grandkids. Is he in there now? Yeah.

Oh, okay. He's out there. But we'll read some more super chats. Let's get on with it. I'm not your buddy guy. Always the okay. He's out there. But we'll read some more Super Chats. Let's get on with it. I'm not your buddy guy. Always the first. He says, they aren't protecting Biden. They're protecting Obama.

Biden just so happens to be the key connection to unraveling the intel influence. Perhaps. Mick Zenmancer says, did I beat I'm not your buddy guy for first? Oh, so close. No, you didn't. You were six minutes late. Sorry. Where are we at?

Kenneth Hart says, Your show is not kid safe, bro. We visited my library mom, who of course rescued a pit bull. I catch my oldest son wiggling his jowls, copying Tim's imitation of Obama, saying, Too many kids.

Gotta blow them up. He put too many pits. That was a Jess Seamus. Too many kids. Gotta blow them up. Yeah, so I made the joke where it's like, Barack Obama's like, If you vote for me, I'm gonna blow up kids. And then Seamus too many kids yeah so I made the joke where it's like Barack Obama's like if you vote for me I'm gonna blow up kids and then Seamus was like gotta blow up kids too many of them hope you gotta change the population Tom Mannion says defend the guard

thanks for representing the bill read got it let's grab some more superchats SR 71 industry says Tim and gang thank you my channel would be where it is today without you i do car enthusiast gaming soon health and fitness for truck drivers guns and gear this veteran appreciates it rip roberto much love roberto jr but i i appreciate the sentiment roberto is his father who has returned his name is ro Roberto Beeks, and it was Roberto Beeks Jr. And Roberto Beeks, Mr. Beeks, he's back. William Tresh says, Tim, what are you talking about?

That nothing happened when the left threatened Trump. Republicans sent so many strongly worded letters. They did, I remember those. How dare you? They were shaking their fist at clouds. Matthew Maddox says, people tried to burn down the white house with trump inside they did and uh january 6 is more important i suppose there you go let's go ordontic says they definitely came after people who threatened trump i got a visit at work

from the ss because of an epstein meme i had him and kennedy in the same sentence and they cornered me at work and I'm a random nobody. But that's what I was saying. We've heard all these stories about them knocking on doors. The question is what happened with this guy in Provo? I think he probably should do his door with a gun. And they were like, nope. And he was like, nope. And then this is what happens.

Yeah, I think he probably got lippy. Judging off his social media. Yeah. Yeah. yeah on his belt dummy Mike E says had to send to my dog of 15 years over the rainbow bridge today

can y'all please shout out my dog Abby one of the greatest dogs ever Abby may your spirit rest in peace sorry to hear it Mike rest in peace Abby

Abby OMG puppies says the Democratic Party controls the media, and that's all that matters. Aristotle said this 2,400 years ago. Democracy is ruled by whoever masters rhetoric. Agreed.

Yep. They have a strong influence over it. I don't know, not full control, but definitely strong influence. Ryan Spalding says, the cover art of Megadeth's The System Has Failed album really resonates with current events, and that album was released in the early 2000s

do you know do you know that one the cover of the system has failed brian barwinski says ian is grounded and crystal pilled tonight 20 oh thank you oh very nice very nice i've been holding this ruby as we talk. A ruby, huh? We gotta give you that charged crystal. It's just sitting on our counter. Let's bring it. Yeah, gotta bring it over. Colton Hires says, I think it's incredibly stupid to vote for whoever will make your opponents the angriest.

Vote for whoever can bring the most change. I see that in Vivek and not in Trump anymore. Don't troll vote. I like Vivek. I want to vote for him in the primary. We'll see, though. We'll see though we'll see though i think i think it's gonna go trump but it would be pretty amazing if uh trump picks vivek for vp like i'm not not not entirely sure that would happen though what do you guys think you think he'll probably offer it to him i feel like tim scott lindsey graham i just don't yeah not lindsey

graham that 80 year old like if he if he If he chose Lindsey Graham, he loses. Yeah. Hands down. Because there are people who vote for Trump but don't like Trump, right? You put Lindsey Graham on the ticket and they're just like, I'm out. There's this thing about RFK and Trump uniting and running. Have you ever heard of that? Yeah, I'd vote for it. Absolutely.

Do you think that could happen or is it ridiculous? I don't think it's, I mean, it's a little ridiculous, but I think it could happen. You know, Trump is a New york uh he's a democrat i mean yeah i want i i want to say like he's conservative by new york standards today you know what i mean but he's like an old school democrat now yeah right and so rfk has got a lot of bad positions and a lot of past positions that are that are questionable but uh i kind of just want to see insurgent candidates storm the gates you know what i mean they go in they walk it's like, we're in charge now. You're fired, you're fired, you're fired. Sign this bill.

You know? Yep. Man, we got to have something going on. 14 All says Elon did hand over Trump's account to the government in the end, though. This is only being half reported. Yes, that is true. So the question is, was it Elonon trying to obstruct was he strong-armed let's see defect says what do you think about the department of education i just found out

their annual budget is 270 billion they should more than 10 times that of nasa it doesn't seem we are getting the value for the money doesn't seem we're literally not. And also their budget goes up every year and test scores go down, have gone down every year. Every single year they have been lower than the previous year since the inception of the Department of Education. That would be if you split up, what is it, $270 billion among 50 states, you'd have, what is the math? I don't know what the math is there six six six billion five billion per state something like that that's a lot of money that you could you could give out to the states directly it's the most important uh department that we could abolish on a uh on a uh what's the word i'm looking for not foreign policy on a uh

domestic domestic level yeah yeah i agree with that probably get rid of them all right nathan rossman bagel says vivek love him and all cannot win none of your guests can even say his name right and they are politically clued in i think that i i i i don't necessarily disagree with that the fact that no one can say his name actually matters because the dude has been speaking a lot now granted people are going to read things phonetically they're going to say vivek when his name is vivek but it seems like no no matter how many times we've brought it up no matter how many times it comes up we've even corrected people on the show and they still won't say his name also morrowind elder scrolls three

vivek's one of the gods v-i-v-e-c spelled a little different so vivek is in the consciousness already but it's vivek but we've had guests where we'll be like it's vivek like cake and they'll go oh okay and then 20 minutes later like well vivek is saying vivek some people will be like i don't know he's he's relatively new into the social consciousness and he may not win this time i'm not i don't know i want to manifest his victory but at the same time he might just win in 2028 there's a reason all his yard signs say truth not his name on them i don't know wild yeah at least in new hampshire that's what they all say really dom g says the fourth amendment is not limited to your home it includes your person houses papers and effects looking through my messages is like looking through my

mail ian roland zero looking in my eyeballs is like looking into my mind man get out of it no come on dude but but that's true the fourth the fourth amendment does he's right if if you have a stack of papers in your office laying on a desk the fourth member protects them from the government walking up and just grabbing them and reading them yeah the the it's it's it's extensive historically the imagine this have found that it's it's an extensive uh protection imagine you rent an office in a big building and you've got paper sitting on your desk so the government goes to the building's owner and says we're gonna go in and take all these private messages because they're actually yours because they're in your building and he goes

deal yeah sounds like patriot act sounds like complete nonsense we'll grab some more james denine says ian what's your favorite flavor of boot oh straight up leather dude so you can actually eat leather yeah they say i read somewhere that you're starving you gotta you gotta eat your leather off your shoes and chew it up it's animal hide i mean how does it just last forever like what bacteria can't eat it but you can or what i don't know we will get some more super chats what we have here mr howie howie says tim you mentioned a memorial statue for roberto jr i'm a professional sculptor i'm up for it in fact i just emailed a 3d render of a fun version of rj i've been working on

recently have a look uh where did you email it i will write down your name we yeah we should do this mr howie Howie Howie. But I'm just writing Howie squared, so I don't have to write Howie twice. Yeah, it would be great. We'll get a little statue of Roberto Jr. We'll put it by Chicken City. Like a weathervane? We should get a weathervane of him.

Just constantly spinning around. That's actually a good idea. We have to put it way up high, though, if you want something, you know. So a little statue is probably, you know. Redbox says, Phil, why would you rfk jr based on his past positions rather than his most recent modified positions that lean more center right because he held the past positions for longer judge a man by what he does because he's got history and and uh behavior that that you know shows that he endorses those things. The most recent stuff

could possibly be changing for what is politically expedient, whereas the things that he has said consistently in the past probably reflect his real opinions.

So that's why. Silence Do-Betters has only three percent of the american population participated in the revolution it does not take a majority to prevail but rather an irate tireless minority keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men samuel adams wow i feel like it's easier to fight a war back then than it is now, like with the spread of information and with the amount of... Well, there's porn on the internet. Yeah. I disagree.

I think it's easier now than it's ever been. Offense has become increasingly... One thing we see is that throughout history, offense has increased faster than defense. Defense is incredibly difficult and always has been. You get to the point where, you know, when you have clubs and stuff, someone makes a shield and you're fairly equal in your defense and offense. You swing the club, you block it and deflect it with the shield. You swing with your club, he blocks it. And then we get bows and arrows. And now you have high speed projectile weapons that can penetrate through a shield, hit your arm, hit you in the leg,

break through your armor, even rip through plate. So once they advance between, you know, from chain mail to plate, now you still got offensive capabilities. Then you get gunpowder. Now all of a sudden armor made no sense. It's like the musket ball is going to rip through whatever you're wearing anyway. So you're better off having a light soldier who can carry more and move faster because we're using muskets. We do have bulletproof vests. We do have all these things, but the reality of warfare is today you have cyber capabilities, the ability to manipulate hundreds of millions of people overnight, instantly viruses to destroy their economy and take out their new their electrical plants, their grid. In the snap of a finger, the entire grid in the world could be shut down. I'm sure that every government has a button they could press because they've already hacked and installed viruses on everyone else's machines.

So we don't even need the minute, you know, time frame for the ICBM to launch into the air to shut a city down. Now they can just click a button and grid's gone. Right. I think like war in general is easier to fight, but the likelihood of someone in this country grabbing a rifle and heading to go fight a war i think that is less just because of the amount of uh ease people live with now the amount of technology that makes their life enjoyable i mean back in the day that's acting like you know uh people can afford their rent and people can afford food there's an entire right i think those things have to go before like any revolution yeah like any civil has to get that miserable before there's any sort of actual big conflict.

But then you're not saying anything different, right? So when people in France were fed, they didn't want a revolution. And then when the famine came, they wanted a revolution. Yeah. The same thing is true for Tunisia and Egypt. The cost of bread was going up. That's not... Every revolution has, to a certain degree, that in common. Yeah has to a certain degree that in common.

Yeah. Some kind of lack of direct access. I think it's, what's his name? The hierarchy of needs. What's that guy's name? Maslow. Maslow's hierarchy of needs. When you disrupt these things, people get mad and they'll fight for them.

Food is a critical component. Yeah. So for a lot of people who are, you know, very, very fat, so long as the communists keep people fed there ain't going to be a revolution just theirs or there won't be a civil war just a revolution so they got to make sure everyone's fat and happy and they'll be like well i got food i ain't gonna fight yeah but but i will also add saying that it's harder for people today to pick up like a rifle or something uh there's always an organization to these conflicts i think anybody who's like

thinking they're gonna run out and grab a gun is stupid and they shouldn't do anything like that. We want to win where the conflict actually occurs. And today it's a culture war. We need to win the culture. We want to win in the legal front. And I would say it's like saying people are much less likely to pick up a sword today. It's like, well, that's not the effective means of conflict. The effective means of conflict today are manipulation of the mind, social media.

I think people just still think of a generic civil war when when they hear that term they think of like north and south or republicans and democrats like grabbing their guns and fighting each other and i don't think that's accurate and that's like saying when you say war it's like what people running around with swords and shields fighting in the streets like no no dude that was thousands of years ago what you mean like people with guns no dude that was 100 200 years ago people going online right now we are being faced with a cultural revolution and it is being actively resisted and there are two principal factions at odds over who is i'm glad to say that it's substantially less violent i hope we don't get any violence but like this is

it are we going to win the cultural battle or end up in prisons let's read some more wait what is this i'm not gonna read that because i can't verify it right now all right tetris says hey tim and crew can i get a shout out my wife and i just found out we're expecting our first child oh congratulations congrats something happened to the ecuadorian president yeah well no not the president the someone that was running for president was assassinated. Whoa! So there's video going around of it. It happened at a political rally, I think.

So it's definitely verifiable, I can say. Wow. Josh says, Re-X, it'll end up being enabled on the app only, not the browser, for security reasons. The only solution I know that addresses this is CIF, It'll end up being enabled by, enabled on the app only, not the browser, for security reasons. The only solution I know that addresses this is CIF, which has quantum-resistant

in-browser code signing. And they always got some way to bypass encryption, man. They're two steps ahead for a reason. And they force people to install backdoors because they have guns.

All right, what's this? Tim Brackett says, Ripto jr really do appreciate it ryan chrisman says one of the presidential presidential candidates in ecuador was assassinated today at a campaign rally wtf wow his name's guy's name is fernando uh villavicencio dreadnought trucking llc says if somehow either trump's beat the charges on his own or the supreme court gets involved i am predicting now with 200 confidence that vivek will be trump's vp and in 28 it will be vivek as prez and rand paul as vp those are bold predictions i think you can you can take those odds up in vegas and if you get it right you'll be a millionaire sean kennelly, Kennelly,

long live Roberto Jr. He and your constant talk about roosters was the inspiration for my business name, Roosters Property Maintenance. My tagline, reliable as the rooster. Tim, just keep being Tim. All of the cast of Castle rocks. Vivek 2024. I like Vivek, man. He's a good dude. Yeah, Roberto's returned. He's got, Roberto Jrto june's got brothers you know but none of them are roberto the you know are roberto-esque so we got to figure out who's going to take the mantle of roberto the third i need to figure out how many sons he's had we think he has a couple and so one of them's gonna have to be roberto the third yeah they would do that in the middle ages too someone would just take a new name as like the seventh or something. You know, the Scottish king would become. People still do that.

Isn't James O'Keeffe the third? He is. Yeah. Jimmy. There's three of them. That's a good amount. Third one was the best one, apparently. I'm sure the other ones were good, too.

But this current this current one is a good James O'Keeffe. James the second looks like James second was probably good. He made James the third. Yeah. James third is pretty based. Paul Tascalo says, Tim tim i'm a 38 year old lawyer i feel a call to use my skills for good i'd love to contribute to the show plus share my stories experience with classified docs fisa warrants national security presidential pardons

obama and nuclear weapons well all right uh sure i guess um i don't know how you can reach out through our emails or whatever. I always just tell people to message Ian. He's on Twitter. Good luck. What do you need to do? You want to get his lawyer? He wants to.

Yeah. Is there a jobs email or anything where people submit for jobs on the discord? I think we have that. Yeah. On the members discord. We have that stuff. Diego Rivera says, read. Can you explain how Defend the Guard uses

radical decentralization to reign in the war party? Yeah, so Defend the Guard is a state-by-state legislation that makes it impossible for the president to send troops overseas unless there has been a declaration of war. We have not declared war

since World War II, but of course we've been to Vietnam, Afghanistan, Iraq, Korea, everywhere. war we have not declared war since world war ii but of course we've been to vietnam uh you know afghanistan iraq korea everywhere panama um so uh actually during hurricane katrina i think 60 percent of louisiana's national guard was in iraq um just to show you like how many national guardsmen end up over there so this would be passed state by state and every state that passes it would disallow the government from sending national guard troops unless congress passes a declaration of war which is a 60 majority which is pretty hard to do and also if a congressman is actually signing his name behind a war you know that takes a little bit of

selling to the public and a little bit of responsibility so it's a lot harder to happen than the president just deciding to send people somewhere for some military operation it hasn't passed in any state yet but it passed i think the senate in arizona and i forget what other state it passed one of the legislative branches and it's picking up steam so check it. You can support it in your own state. It's the most important anti-war legislation on the books right now. Is there a website for it? I think it's

bringourtroopshome.com, defendtheguard. You can probably just Google defendtheguard. Yeah, just Google defendtheguard, you'll find it. Jadrick Penifer says says i've got the solution what does the crew think trump is president being our monster rfk jr's attorney general

trump hates them all rfk has proven he's willing to go after them plus vivek as secretary of state as counter wef fighting the fight abroad is rfk even a lawyer isn't that what he Isn't that what he, isn't that what he was? I have no idea. Yeah. It wasn't any like fighting, uh, for people who are having, uh, coal sludge dumped in their rivers or something like that back in the other day.

Yeah. He's a lawyer. He's a lawyer. Yeah. Environmental lawyer. Yeah. I love this. You go to his Wikipedia.

It says he's an American environmental lawyer, politician, and writer known for advocating anti-vaccine misinformation. Oh my gosh. Of course. of course trash website it was so wikipedia was so like potentially awesome i mean it's still a guess is if you could get a hold of the code it depends no it depends on the topic like if you're if you're going to something that doesn't really get touched by politics or that's that's somewhat insulated from politics, it's pretty good. If you go to things that can be touched by politics,

it's getting really bad. And it's continuing to get bad. Science, are you talking about like biology? Like we can't even, nobody even knows what a man or a woman is on Wikipedia anymore. I just realized something. I know what the first thing Roberto's gonna do

once we let him out his little house in Chicken City. What's that? You know what he's going to do. Going right for her. He's going right for her. No problem. Roberto's been at Cocktown for the past, like, something like a year. Wow.

Roberto Jr., he took over, you know? He was in charge of all the ladies. Roberto hasn't seen a woman in some time. Wow. Yeah, so, you know, we had to send him a woman in some time wow yeah so you know we we had to send him off because we don't want him you know mixing it with his kids because roosters don't think twice about that yeah you know so but uh he's gonna come out he hasn't seen a lady in a long time wow get it on camera it's gonna be on camera on chicken city the wonders of the birds

and the bees for everyone to watch live let's grab some more super looks like we've got defend the guard.us uh for bill and bring our troops home.us for the org there you go i think that's where is it dio rivera said that thank you jason dobson says why would you trust somebody as president who previously headed a pharmaceutical company more power to big pharma is a scary thing well i don't trust him because of it but i like his uh experience within the organization itself he knows how to disassemble the thing but i don't immediately think all pharmaceutical companies are bad right you know like i don't like the big ones but there are smaller ones too the question is what did his company do and did they do bad things if they did

bad things then he should be criticized and challenged on those bad things but uh i don't know maybe we should we should dig into that he knows a lot about loopholes that the pharmaceutical companies use um and was talking about them on the patrick bett david town hall it was really really a great town hall from last week check it out and like they say themselves previously headed a pharmaceutical company it's not necessarily giving more power to big pharma and it's not it's not considered a biotech it's not considered pharmaceutical it's a biotech. So they do technology and drug development. You said they brought five drugs to patent, I think. Yeah.

So I guess, is that a pharmaceutical company? I wouldn't call it that. What does it say? Technology portfolio includes blah, blah, blah. Clinical trial data for pharmaceutical development, blah, blah, blah. I mean, I think if you have a concern uh legitimate concern jason dobson i i respect and agree with it you should start looking into the company and see what you find and then we should talk about it you know he ran a company what did his company do

there's criticisms over how trump ran his companies sure and then i think for the most part i'm not super concerned with the real estate you know company and what he was doing and the left certainly is but uh you know what what's what's inherently wrong with making drugs to cure diseases or whatever if he was treating symptoms and perpetuating a lot of awful garbage i think we ask him about it right ward spose says put the royal chicken family tree on it on what on the coffee bag oh yeah well i guess yeah i guess people mostly agree we should keep Rise with Roberto Jr., but I think we'll just write on the back, you know, of all future bags.

A special lineage brand where it shows all of their... So the way it works is we pre-order bags. The bags are printed. It takes a long time to make. It takes like a month and a half to make the bags. So we order a ton of bags. The coffee is then brewed in short and small batches and made fresh and then packaged and sent off. So it's relatively small batches. So I think we have like 5,000 bags empty, ready to be loaded when we start selling more product.

So after this run, which is there's 5 000 so you know you'll probably you'll probably have some time if you want to buy one there will no longer be the original bag so these bags are first edition bags that was unexpectedly uh they became very sought after very quickly well maybe not i don't know maybe nobody really cares you'll call them that if you want to have an original bag get them now because we're going to add the rest in peace roberto jr in memoriam on the back of the new ones so effectively creating a unique a unique bag you will never be able to get again and then i'm really excited for return of the king roberto's it's gonna be wild return of the king we should make a really strong like espresso yeah that'd be dope yeah because he was only removed because of circumstance he

wasn't ever violent he was never angry did he get did he rough him hard well he got like his son we had to put him in jail because he was uh roughing up the girls big daddy do they ever come back from that when they become aggressive they tone down well the issue is that you know their spurs get really big when they get older and it starts hurting the girls oh okay yeah okay and trimming the spurs is like abuse to the little luke's figuring it out we're really we're really proud of him yeah all right everybody we're gonna go to the members only section of the show portion of the show so head over to timcast.com click join us become a member and we're going to talk about naughty things so uh not for the not

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Is that the thing? I hope so. I don't know. We've been talking to him about it. I don't know if anything's on the books yet. I love having Clint. Yeah. No, Clint's a good friend of mine.

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