Timcast IRL - Timcast IRL #840 Democrats Indict Trumps LAWYERS, Trump MUST Surrender In 10 Days w/Conservative Ant

Episode Date: August 16, 2023

Tim, Ian, Phil, & Serge join Conservative Ant to discuss Georgia indicting Trump & his lawyers on RICO charges, Jenna Ellis mocked after invoking God following indictment, Trump announcing he will form a special counsel to investigate the Biden's, and a Minnesota losing its entire police force after everyone resigns. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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you would have a series of events, the biggest and worst riots we've seen in this country in 50 years. Far left extremists would tear down the barricades of the White House, set fire to a guard post in the church across the street. The president would be forced into a emergency bunker, into an emergency bunker underneath. Then later on, several hundred Trump supporters would breach the Capitol during the counting of Electoral College, which would result in federal agents raiding the homes of people across the country, even innocent people having their homes raided by feds. And ultimately, Donald Trump would not only be indicted in multiple jurisdictions, but

the Democrat DOJ would be preparing indictments against his lawyers and Democrats at the state level would have indicted his lawyers. If I were to tell you all that, you'd tell me I was crazy. I know for a fact, because when I said in 2018 that what we are seeing on the ground will eventually find its way to the federal government, I was told that I was crazy. Mike Cernovich says that what we are seeing right now is akin to the massacre of Tsar Nicholas's family in the Bolshevik revolution. But that happened, I believe that was a couple of years after the actual revolution,

or maybe a year or so. I'm not getting my timelines right on this one, but they brought them, locked them up, and then eventually said, you know what? We can't risk your family surviving, and then massacred his family. Call it whatever you want. You know, we can say that it's a civil war, but I think maybe that's unfair considering that requires multiple factions actually in some kind of opposition to each other. What may actually be happening is more akin to the Bolshevik revolution, but call it whatever you want. Democrats in various jurisdictions are

using the weight of government to attack their political rivals to the extent that they have now in Georgia, this news came out, it dropped around 1 a.m. or so. They have indicted lawyers for Donald Trump. In fact, one of the lawyers for Trump is actually at this point not a big fan of Trump and fairly pro DeSantis. There's a lot to talk about with this. There are many Trump personalities who started changing their tune a few months after January 6th and then a year or so after they're all of a sudden on board the Santas calling Trump a grifter and a con man. Take a look at the statements they made around or before January 6th when they were saying there was fraud, encouraging people to be active,

encouraging people to go down on January 6th. I believe that there are many personalities, lawyers, consultants, social media personalities who knew that because they had advocated for what trump was was was trying to do with his legal team because there are videos of them advocating for action on january 6th they would find themselves indicted at some point it's happening they're going after trump's lawyers the next step likely going to be personalities who are in contact with donald trump's legal team who then took to the airwaves, be it social media, digital or television terrestrial and advocated for his plans, his policies and for people to protest on January 6th. They'll say this was incitement and furtherance of the conspiracy in Georgia. They're already saying that there are many, many more unindicted co-conspirators in D.C.

They're saying that there are a few unindicted co-conspirators, and we expect they will be indicted soon as well. I don't know where all this goes, but ladies and gentlemen, escalation seems to be the only place it can go. And maybe I'm wrong and I'd love to be wrong, but every time something happens that's worse than it was a month ago, I say it seems like it'll get worse. I don't know what you call this period where Democrats in multiple jurisdictions are targeting the home of the former president, the former president and his lawyers, anyone who represented him. We already know with the J6ers, many lawyers dropped them as clients or refused to take them

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What's up, guys? Thanks for having me. Super excited. Who are you? What do you do? I'm a social media political comedian, I guess you will. TikTok, Instagram, all the platforms um i also advocate uh for protecting children in uh anti-grooming with gays against groomers been part of that for

quite some time and also uh sex trafficking in general i'm trying to bring awareness to it um so yeah we're many hats right on well thanks for hanging out it should be fun thanks we got phil how you doing i am phil levante lead singer of the happy metal band all that remains anti-communist and counter-revolutionary anti-communist you got your work cut out for you now i mean you know there's just so many commies around nowadays you know like well like 12 years ago or 10 years ago something like that i wrote this this op-ed complaining about tom morello because he's a commie and everyone's like oh no no, he's not.

Are you sure? And blah, blah, blah. Now, if I wrote that and was like, Oh, he's a commie.

Everyone's like, well, obviously. And it's like, people need to like, we need to go ahead. Ian. So you think I'll go,

I'll go on and on and on. Cause I'm concerned with anti something. Cause like, I don't know what you are, but liberal. I'm a liberal. I mean, I'm,

I'm, I am. I believe in the enlightenment philosophy i believe that we can know reality i believe that the truth does not change from person to person people will see things differently but what is true is true um so it's part of what makes instruments phenomenal in science is that we don't rely on someone to tell us what the result was. We have an instrument to decide or show us all. I am Ian Crossland, and I am drinking the pumpkin spice latte

mix right now. It's light. It is delicious. I put some peanut butter powder and coconut water in, and it tastes like Reese's Pieces cups. What's up, homies? Let's get down and dirty, dog. Oh, earlier today, I did a Twitter space with Zach Voorhees. We talked about AI and God. It was fascinating. It's on my Twitter page, but watch show and i'll the link's on my page i'll

tell you about it later again hey serge what's up uh i will definitely check that out uh i'm serge.com yeah one final thing okay i did an x space with the dude that owns spacex you think that was intentional when he bought it when he renamed it you just wanted to do it because it was that i was the guy that owns spacex elon musk yep the one and only he owns x okay so does space right on well let's jump into this first story here we go ladies and gentlemen from reuters georgia charges trump and former advisors in 2020 election case hey hold on there a minute reuters those were Those were lawyers, not advisors. I guess you can technically say that they were advisors

because they gave him legal advice as lawyers, but that's constitutionally protected. What does Michael Malice call this? Factual, but not truthful. Yes, it's factual. They advised him, but they're lawyers. Former U.S. President Donald Trump was hit with a sweeping fourth set

of criminal charges on Monday when a Georgia grand jury issued an indictment accusing him of efforts to overturn his 2020 election laws to Democrat Joe Biden. It's a 98 indictment listing 19 defendants and 41 criminal counts. Now, last night, we talked about how the Fulton County Court released the indictment against Donald Trump prematurely, took it down, called it a fictitious document, then denied it. Now what they're saying it was, it was a sample document and it accidentally

got published. It should never have happened. So they lied then or they're lying now. But take your pick. I think it's fairly obvious they were planning to indict Trump, bring these charges against him well before a grand jury was convened. And more importantly, they could have done it years ago. It is being done today for political purposes. I want to show you the indictment and some of the more silly elements of it. But the seriousness of it can be explained right here on the front page. Fulton Superior Court, the state of Georgia versus Donald John Trump. Rudolph Giuliani, who I believe was his lawyer. John Eastman, also a lawyer. Mark Meadows, that was Trump's chief of staff.

That was Mark Meadows. You've got, who else do we have? Kenneth Chaseborough, I believe was a lawyer. Jeffrey Clark was a State Department attorney. Jenna Ellis was also an attorney. Jenna Ellis was also an attorney. Interestingly, Jenna Ellis has been rather anti-Trump over the past several months and has been somewhat has been critical of him now, but also supporting DeSantis. Also, people are pulling up very old posts from her where she was very anti-Trump early on. Ray Smith, Robert Cheely, Michael Roman, David Schaefer. David Schaefer,

that one's actually fairly interesting because he met with an alternate slate of electors, then told the press. All that matters is if the court cases proceed, they'll have an alternate slate of is funny because that's Kanye West's publicist. Apparently, she had advocated on behalf of the Trump campaign to an election official that they should pursue an investigation into voting machines. That's a criminal conspiracy. Sidney Powell. Yep. Kathleen Latham, who I believe was one of the election officials who opened the door for the Trump campaign in Coffey County. Scott Hall and Misty Hampton, another election official, election officials who opened the door for the trump campaign in coffee county scott hall and misty hampton another election official i believe opened the door so what you have here you have a state department attorney being criminally charged you have a series of lawyers being criminally charged mark meadows was the chief of staff of donald he was you checked yeah okay that's what i thought i I thought I was right. Wanted to be sure, though. Criminally charged in Georgia. Why? Because of a legal theory pertaining to what the vice president is or isn't allowed to do.

Here's my view. Mike Pence does have the authority to reject votes in the electoral vote count. Richard Nixon had done it before. He chose Democrat votes over Republican votes, despite the fact that Democrats were certified. This is 1960. So using that legal theory and precedent, Mike Pence would have been able to do it. Well, Mike Pence didn't do it. There you go. Whatever. You don't got to like the guy. A lot of people don't like the guy, but that's it. They had they had a legal theory and plan. They asked Mike Pence. He said, no, it's over. Now we can see exactly why Mike Penceence refused to engage i'm willing to bet they went him and said if you go along with this you will be arrested you will be charged and we will destroy everything about your life the interesting thing is they kept making the argument the vice president

had no authority to do this and then mike pence made the mistake of doing a tv uh interview recently where he said i could have pushed the votes back and it would have gone to the state, to the House of Delegations, the House of Representatives. So he knew exactly what his authority and powers were. There were numerous articles written by left wing personalities, journalists, where they explained if Mike Pence rejected electoral votes, then House delegations would vote for the president. That's the normal procedure. So Mike Pence, Democrats, the media, everybody began lying, saying he never had the authority to do so in the first place, which wasn't true.

They then changed the laws later on to say, yeah, he can't do that. But at the time he could. So what we were really looking at was nothing criminal, but legal theory the next people in my view who will face criminal indictments television media political high-level influential personalities who are in communication with donald trump or his lawyers who then went on twitter youtube fox news whatever and advocated for these election strategies, advocated for legal challenges and to find votes, advocated for the Dominion claims. And additionally, those who encouraged protest on January 6th and those who cheered on January 6th.

There are a lot of people. I'm not going to name them. Let this be their own business, that pre-January 6th were cheering, saying, yes, yes, people should go down, and saying that people should engage in certain behaviors. Then January 6th happened. Some people actually cheered on what happened that day on social media, saying, why are people mad about this

even at leftists the gravel institute cheered for january 6th not that they advocated for it months go by a year goes by and you may notice that some of these personalities became hardcore desanta supporters and absolutely anti-trump i think there's a very obvious reason why they were crying and shaking and begging in, in hopes that if they turn on Trump, the DOJ, the state level, uh, prosecutors will overlook them and not criminally charge them. Now I can't say who, uh, necessarily holds those. I think it's, I think many of the people who turned on Trump probably felt that way. I'm not going to say I can tell you definitively any of these individuals. I will, however, point out Jenna Ellis, who turned on Trump recently, has been advocating heavily for Ron DeSantis and is now facing criminal charges and is trying to raise money. The sad thing here

is that ardent Trump supporters are not the biggest fans of jenna jenna ellis now and so she has no support she's raised a few thousand dollars for her legal defense i think she deserves a legal defense but by turning on trump and trying to go into the camp you're looking at mustering up what 10 ofP? Yeah. But does it matter at this point? Like, if you supported that from the beginning, and then you, like, last-minute ditch effort to, like, oh, I'm going to support DeSantis in hopes that I'm not going to get in trouble. I mean, obviously it doesn't matter, right? It's an ancient struggle session tactic to get someone to denounce their own views publicly before you serve their before you take them to sentence socrates refused to do it he spoke the truth until the moment he died um some people you know it is an old it is an old battle tactic

an authoritarian tactic to get the crowd because then you can say well they admitted it so right she you know she whatever they're charging them under rico what does that mean criminal enterprise saying that was a criminal organization that was conspiring to engage in illegal behaviors i think it's that is ridiculous and i mean the whole thing in my opinion is ridiculous i don't think anybody that's charged donald trump is a republican at all the whole thing the entire thing is democrats right uh well no they didn't they say jack smith who's is jack smith a democrat i'm not they look you had a republican go on tv in in uh in georgia and be like trump ruined the republican party yeah you've got neo party you've got tokens neocon and uniparty

i want to read for you act 22 of the indictment they say on or about the third day of december 2020 donald John Trump caused to be tweeted from the Twitter account at real Donald Trump, quote, Georgia hearings now on OANN. Amazing. This was an overt act in furtherance of the conspiracy. Now, a lot of people have said there are a lot of provisions in here about tweeting and one was insulting Mike Pence, calling him a wimp or something like that. And that these were illegal activities. No, no, no.

These aren't illegal actions. They are arguing that Trump tweeting proves he was engaged in a conspiracy, that he was advancing his conspiracy by tweeting this. That's so ridiculous. to to to defend yourself or or use the means that your legal means at your disposal to try to affect an outcome like it's the point was that these means were legal to try to say hey let's recount you know to see if there was some kind of uh some kind of fraud that's perfectly legal the fact that they're trying to prosecute i think i honestly think the fact that they're trying to prosecute i think i honestly think the fact that they're trying to prosecute people that were in any way in business with trump or or on team trump is this say essentially boils down to and this might seem a little hyperbolic but

essentially boils down to the same reason that they just smoked the dude in uh in utah i think that the point the the uh 75 year old dude that was making threats about the president they could have wrapped him up the guy could barely walk they could have kicked in his door and got him without killing him they didn't have to drag his body out and leave him laying on the sidewalk you know like they didn't have to do that there was an intent there which is to intimidate the american people or intimidate people that are anti-establishment. And the same thing is going on, I think, for the people that have worked with with Donald Trump. They're trying to intimidate people that are anti-establishment saying, look, if you would help people that are against the establishment, against whatever you want to call it, whether you want to call it the deep state, you want to call it the bureaucracy.

I don't give a crap what name you put on it. But if you're against that, then we're going to unleash as much effort or as much attention as it requires to neutralize you. And it's the biggest, most powerful government in history. It can do multiple things at once, taking care of you, your issues. They can do that and still do all the all the all the same stuff that they they have planned so it's not it's not some kind of problem for them to shut down shut people up or to shut people down or to or to intimidate people into silence do you think there were any personalities who got visits from democrats law enforcement and were told you're going to come out against donald trump

or we're going to come after you i'm sure i and probably the bigger personalities right i don't think yeah the big personalities so but then it you know it trickles down a little bit too because then you have the small small time right like someone like me who's on instagram or any of us that are on other social media platforms that by the way the biden administration is using young gen z influencers to his advantage where we don't well where the conservatives don't but could they go after us too then could they go after the little guys sure they do it all the time by banning your accounts that's what they're doing i think that i think i honestly do think this is all about intimidation i think that the reason that like i said that the dude in utah got smoked i think the reason they're going after all of the the people that

that were associates of trump and stuff like that i think that it's something that that the establishment wants look they've said clearly after january 6th there were members former members of the intelligence uh apparatus uh i forget the guy's name i think it was brennan was the guy that was on but he was talking he's like anyone that has anti-government uh opinions or your you know feelings everyone in america that is right of center to some degree is anti-america or anti-government right they want smaller government even people that are like establishment right-leaning people there's ostensibly smaller government but like anyone that's like a mega person or a libertarian or any kind of anarchist or or independents that

want to limit the uh the military industrial complex or people that want to limit limit the the security state and the the the surveillance apparatus all of those people are the enemy of the government now. But the problem is I want a healthy government. And if that means it needs to slim down because the government has become obese, I'm okay with the government going on a workout program. They are not. You are the problem.

I don't agree. If the government wants to preserve itself, it needs to take itself seriously and restructure itself from time to time. That's why we need to restructure from time to time as a unit. How do we do that? Well, Vivek Ramaswamy suggests that we cut the FBI. itself but it's got the guns that's why we need to restructure from time to time as a unit how do we do that well vivek ramaswamy suggests that we cut the fbi i think it's the fbi and then send a lot of the you know fire a lot of the administrators administrative guys you know but then move a lot of the necessary pieces to other parts of government homeland security cia um department

of energy he has it listed in fact and i retweeted it it's on twitter i'd love to point you to it i'm on i'm on the same page with you homie vivek is great like i i think that he's a great candidate and i think nobody can say his name the cake man we gotta call him the cake man because it's the vague like cake you gotta call him the cake man so that'll stick but to get people to remember anybody that runs or anybody that has an opposing opinion from it this is my opinion from this current administration or the left is automatically just they're like no no no no because they've now thrown out all these racist homophobic xenophobic like all these words if you're for some reason anti-government, we're seeing it now that people are thinking that the American flag makes you racist. And like, it's just it's a never ending.

No matter who you are, if you come out against the current administration, you're wrong. Whether it's Vivek, Vivek, Vivek, Vivek. Sorry about that, Vivek. He forgives you. Yes. Thank you. Or anybody else, you know,

I mean, they're even doing it to Kennedy and he's one of them. It's, I think it's, I want to, it's important to remember that anti-government and smaller government is not the same thing. You need a healthy government and sometimes it needs to be smaller or larger

to make it healthy. But if you love your government, you want it to be the healthiest it can be. And that means sometimes slimming down the bloat. I don't swear. Love the government. What's the love about the government yeah not really it's a it's a chance for us to you know coordinate national defense and protect each other it's military and economic transportation i don't like i don't want any well i mean obviously i'm i'm as a libertarian kind of leaning kind of guy i want the small the smaller government so as much cutting as as you can do i'm going to be down with so yeah let me let me start oh yeah i want to show

you a few examples uh so we did get a super chat uh virtual rifle says read act 156 there's a handful of uh of acts in this in furtherance of the conspiracy one of them is a good example act 156 donald john trump committed the felony offense of solicitation of violation of oath by public officer when he said to Brad Raffensperger, a public officer, quote, decertified. I'm sorry. He said I want to make sure I'll just read it. Public officer, he asked him to engage in conduct constituting the felony offense of violation of oath by public officer by unlawfully, quote, decertifying the election or whatever the correct legal remedy is and announce the true winner in willful and intentional violation of

the terms of the oath of said person as prescribed by law. That's probably the perfect example of what this is. Donald Trump said to the secretary of state, engage in the correct legal remedy for what is going on. And that is a is a violation of your oath of office or solicitation of violation of oath of office to ask someone to enact correct legal remedies in fact he said do a thing which may or may not have been legal or the correct legal remedy meaning if the thing was illegal you you instead do the correct legal remedy. So how is asking someone to do a legal remedy illegal? Because they are just indicting. Indictments don't matter.

As we've pointed out time and time again, women aren't legally allowed to skydive in Florida on Sunday. Ain't no woman's getting arrested for that. Disorderly conduct. What does that mean? Yeah, exactly. I've seen people in the moment engaged in free speech, be criminally charged with disorderly conduct. What does that mean? Yeah, exactly. I've seen people engaged in free speech be criminally charged with disorderly conduct. That's a charge they can slap on anyone for any reason at any time. And then they can arrest you, remove you, and then maybe you go to court and you say,

Your Honor, I was just speaking and the judge says, Okay, you're free to go, but you still got locked up. If you don't get bail, you could be in there for a month or longer if you get locked up on the weekend on a friday you're there over the weekend that sounds that what you just read about that of him asking a guy to do the legal remedy and then they're saying that what he did was illegal by asking that guy to do a legal thing i don't i still don't understand that and maybe that's because there's something in there that was here's another good here's another good one byron york says it has to lead to an illegal act eventually doesn't it look at david schaefer ga gop chair he meets with trump quote electors december 14 2020 explains to the press that electors are contingent on trump winning a lawsuit and that is forgery false

statement and impersonating a public officer that's they're charging them with alternate electors have been done before this is the democrats just basically saying we will do whatever we want and we will crush you and right now what are we getting from republicans in the gop angry tweets that angry tweets it's i'm looking forward to getting a monitor in here. Cause I gotta, I gotta read this. So, and they want this to go all the way up. You know, they want to prolong this for as long as possible because ultimately they don't want Trump to the Republicans.

Well, maybe both. They want to preserve order. That's for sure. The Democrats want, definitely want Trump. And I mean, I don't know. I mean, I don't have a whole lot of faith in Trump's ability to win. Like if he's the nominee, I'll vote for him. I'm going to vote for whoever is not the Democrat, not Biden.

But like I don't see that he's going to make a whole lot of, especially with all the indictments. I don't see that he's going to make a whole lot of, especially with all the indictments, I don't see that he's going to be bringing a lot of people over. You don't think that this motivates people more to want to vote for him? Not people that don't. Not people that don't already kind of like him. If you're not somewhat sympathetic to Trump already, if you weren't, I don't think this is making people sympathetic to him now. I don't think it's sympathetic to Trump. I think it's more of a, at this point, it's like, okay, because he's being indicted all these times, I'm going to vote for it.

I don't know. I feel like it's a mind thing. I don't think that you're wrong. I think there are people that do feel that way. I don't know that it's enough to be to win the presidency yeah okay fair opinion i mean there is no right and wrong i guess answer but well i mean we don't know you can't know until after until the election but i i personally don't feel like i feel like there are people that strongly want trump um and there are people that are always going to be committed to trump i just

don't know that there i don't know that there are enough people that would go over to trump that have been in the middle i just don't know i don't know who that voter the unsighted voter that goes over is i don't know i've i've uh it's really funny there are a lot of people who are terminally online and uh these activists online say things like touch grass. And it's like, bro, you are a leftist on Twitter who does nothing but just we like I'm going. We go out on the weekends to various different middle middle of nowhere places often. And, you know, we talk to people, ask them questions. And I found something really interesting between with friends of friends, extended family members and just people out in the general public.

People that I know a couple of years ago who are passively anti-Trump have become passively anti-Democrat. Doesn't necessarily mean they're going to vote for Trump. But a few years ago, you know, we're coming on the back end of the COVID lockdowns and the pandemic and all that. They were very much on board with the corporate narrative. Then you lockdowns and the pandemic and all that they were very much on board with the corporate narrative then you kind of destroy the economy destroy their trust for some do things they don't want to do lock them in a box and now i'm talking to some of these people and they're saying things that are passively anti-establishment anti-democrat so i don't know where they end up voting but if donald trump becomes the once again, the avatar of the anger and frustration of these people, he gets their vote. Someone someone tweeted a good point that people aren't necessarily voting for Trump. They're voting for what the machine hates the most and fears. on truth social four minutes he talked about basically about joe biden and he could count the biden crime family talking about 20 million that they got from geez was it china or ukraine

where's biden's are getting their money from all over foreign states and like that's what people are voting against i think when you're talking about voting against the narrative it's voting against a president who had a son our president's son was on the board of a in a random country on earth some ukraine halfway across earth the president's son was on a board of a in a random country on earth some ukraine halfway across earth the president's son was on a energy board in some crazy foreign country and the guy was a crackhead what and now it's at war with russia like what in the hell put these pieces together uh and that's what people are voting against if they start if they vote against them i want to jump to the story from yahoo hovindian post jenna ellis mocked for invoking God after getting indicted.

Well, you know, let her invoke whatever she wants to invoke. She tweeted, the Democrats and the Fulton County DA are criminalizing the practice of law. I am resolved to trust the Lord and I will simply continue to honor, praise and serve him.

I am deeply appreciative of all my friends who have reached out, offering encouragement and support. Jenna Ellis was a lawyer for Trump. Now she's getting roasted by Trump's most ardent supporters. We've got this tweet from Laura Loomer, professional liar and Trump backstabber.

Jenna Ellis was indicted last night. For the last several months, she has been attacking Donald Trump online with Team DeSantis. She betrayed Donald Trump. I personally think she intentionally sabotaged him because I can't fathom how anyone can be as stupid as she is and decided to support Ron DeSantis instead. She's been attacking Trump online for having his PAC pay his legal fees, even though his supporters are more than happy to donate to the cause.

Jenna has called Trump supporters grifters, and she's been retweeting other dissented supporters who attacked Donald Trump. Now she is crying online, begging Trump supporters to donate to her legal defense fund. Laura goes on and calls her vile and a liar. But I do think it's it's really interesting. I'm not going to say I can speak for Jenna Ellis personally, specifically. I have no idea. But there are many people who, hey, go look at their YouTube videos. Go look at things they said when they were guests on TV shows.

Who advocated for action on January 6th. Who advocated for Donald Trump's legal actions. who advocated for Donald Trump's legal actions, who advocated for alternate slates of electors and all of these things, directly demanding it be done, saying that people should occupy or people should do this that are otherwise. How long do you think until Democrats in various jurisdictions start going after them, saying that they were inciting and encouraging and those that were in communication with donald trump were acting in furtherance of the conspiracy i don't well my thought is it's tough to tell but what they want is donald trump to not be president and for there to be

order across the united states so if they start persecuting the population i think that will serve as a breakdown of order i i don't know how far you know like when you get what you want you don't want to take any more than that you got enough that's saying that they fear they could go too far yes i'm not i'm not so sure i don't care how far they go we we have not seen an instance of de-escalation yeah like i was just gonna say like where's the off-ramp what what what's the off-ramp? What is the thing that makes someone say, we don't escalate? We don't take it to the next obvious level. Federal law enforcement raided the home of some woman in Alaska because she looked like another woman who went into the Capitol.

If they are willing to lock, there's a man locked up right now. It's been two and a half years without charge or trial because he won't disavow donald trump he's in dc in in prison if they're willing to do that to random people are you saying that they would just decide like well this guy's got a million followers on on you know twitter or whatever and he was telling people to go there and engage in this behavior you think they're going to ignore Alex Jones? Well, if random. Alex Jones was leading one of the rallies outside the Capitol building. Now, he said, don't go in. But they don't care.

Right. Well, they're not doing it to random, necessarily random people. The guy was at Jan 6th. That's why he's, and the woman, they thought she was at Jan 6th. It'll be the people with the wrong political opinion. No, but they have. It's not going to be random. They have done random stuff.

I believe. Not random. I don't know. They have not gone after random people. done random stuff i i i believe not i don't know they have not gone after random people it's always politically motivated there's always people with the wrong political opinion so it's not random no right so if you have the right i think he's saying people who weren't at january 6th correct yeah i've heard that they have gone to people's homes that weren't even at jan 6th and that's to your. What if I did a podcast two years ago and I said, yeah, I really don't care what happened on January 6th.

Like, sure, it was fine. They can just come to you and come knock on your door and say, hey, you, because you agreed with what happened on J6, we're taking you in. Well, I think more likely they're going to go to the individuals

that pre-January 6th who are telling people to go there and uh there are there are a lot of quotes that i won't say but there were people who were advocating for direct action at the capitol on these like not these people were never there right but they're going to say that they were inciting insurrection more importantly there are high profile personalities who are in direct communication with Trump and his legal team and then went on TV or YouTube or whatever and said either as guests or hosts. This is the plan. This is what they're doing. It's totally legal and everyone should support them for it. They're going to say that person was part of the conspiracy.

Trump told them we need to build support. Use your platform to encourage everyone to help us. And they're going to say it person was part of the conspiracy trump trump told them we need to build support use your platform to encourage everyone to help us and they're going to say it was a conspiracy there might be people that wanted a march on the capitol and a siege of the capitol and then a prevention of the legal process there might be people that did that but a lot of those people were just there and that emergent phenomenon of mob mentality took over a lot of people were waved in by cops i've i've heard cops were taking selfies with people yeah it wasn't like everyone went there to overthrow the government that's not what happened a lot of people got wrapped up in this and i don't even know if donald trump wanted to overthrow the government i don't know this is the point no i don't think if they're willing to go after

some 60 year old dude who walked around outside and didn't even go in the building there are people who are criminally charged who never entered the building, but they were on the grounds. And that's good enough. If they're going to go after them, to the extent where they went to a woman's house in Alaska, and she wasn't even in the building and raided her home. She was actually in Washington, though.

She was in Washington at the Trump speech or whatever, but she never went in the Capitol building. She looked like someone, because're like a similar coat. So they raided her house. Well, there's people that were saying that there were hot dog vendors there. Like there were people that were playing music. They went for people that were on the outskirts of all of this.

That was going on. Like if you were in a picture, the, Oh yeah, we know that we, we see that person. We're going to go ahead and you're arrested. We're closing your bank account down. We're doing this, doing that, locking you up, whatever, whatever we see that person. We're going to go ahead and you're arrested. We're closing your bank account down.

We're doing this, doing that, locking you up, whatever, whatever they did to him. I have no idea. I wasn't there, but I will say this as an influencer online. Was I asked by followers? Hey, are you going to go? I didn't think it was going to go that way. I thought it was going to go like a totally different way. We're're like we were going to get hurt because people didn't like trump supporters so i was like i'm good on this one i would recommend you guys don't go right because maybe we'll get

hurt but they could go after all the little guys like myself at the time that might have been like go there let's go there let's let's let's. It's just crazy. I think it's going to be bigger personalities because as we move into 2024, their goal is to silence anyone who would provide public support for Trump. Yeah. So first they go for his legal team. Anybody who helped him. Many of the J6ers can't get lawyers. then they're going to target moderate to large personalities who are in the trump periphery who are advocating for and supporting trump's presidency because they want to hurt that they

want people to fear supporting trump fear and there are a lot of people who used to be the most ardent trump supporters who turned on a dime and are now saying trump's a grifter and a con man and desantis is the light in the way and i just think that's very very funny because i think i've i these people posted youtube videos you know where they were very very on board with trump and now all of a sudden they're panicking right i think i think they started to get scared interesting you know i've i've heard i've there's background there's background talk and i and i try to avoid saying stuff like this but i'm sure most of you who are listening i've heard something to this effect that people believe ron desantis is a deep state plant and it's a little bit of an exaggeration donald trump supported ron desantis so

whatever but there are people who believe that desantis is supported by deep state elements by these these you know uniparty fundraisers so that he can be the safe landing for Trump supporters, an off-ramp for them. They want total control. The uniparty will take control. Donald Trump is an anomalous. How do you get people to stop supporting Trump and support someone who's your controlled opposition? Ron De desantis does all the culture war stuff right floor looks really good but then when trump comes back ron can't manage the campaign and then he fumbles but there are a lot of people who believe that and again i'm not saying that's true i'm saying that when you like backdoor private conversations with people involved in

politics their attitude is you see the people who begin funding Ron DeSantis, and it looks like they're hoping he can be more controllable than Trump and Trump supporters will back him. Well, the only way you're going to get a Trump supporter to not support Trump is do all this other stuff that we're talking about to him when you because then you won't have a choice if he's not on the ticket. Right. So then you're going to go then by default, then you would go for someone like the same test. Trump. Isn't going to lose his current supporters. He never will. Nothing.

He can, sorry, but he can skin a cat online and people will have excuses for why he did that. And they're still going to vote for him. His base is strong. In my opinion, there are, and the only way you're going to get those sorry but the only way you're going to get

i mean i love him like i love what he did for the country so for me i never wavered from that i'm floridian so i think ron desantis needs to fix what hurricane ian did to us last year before he starts running around the country doing all this presidential stuff. But you have to get rid of Trump somehow in order for his supporters to not have him to vote for. There are instances of people that are like, well, Vivek's younger, smarter, faster, and he wants to continue what some of the policies Trump was doing. I'm going with the younger, smarter candidate. There are some people, I think you're right for the most part. The people that are emotionally invested in a human tend to stay emotionally invested in the human. I personally serve a function. I serve the function of president and I don't care what

person it is at the moment. I want the best candidate. Right. Policy. Policy, personnel, temperament, policy, things like that. Temperament's a big part of it. Yeah. The big part of where Trump's misgivings is that people don't like him, that he's alienated and insulted so many people that behind the scenes are like, yo rid of that guy he's an asshole like we don't want that same thing what happened to socrates i'm not gonna bring up socrates all night but that's the same thing socrates brilliant man poor social skills pissed off too many people in high up

positions so that's a problem with temperament and you need to be a grand unifier presidential you know i want to read this tweet from mike cernovich we have an initial tweet from jay michael waller who said not even the soviet communist party did this type of legal weaponization during its last years in power mike cernovich says right we are in the early stages where bolsheviks are shoring up power the cold war analogies don't hold up we are in the quote the czar and his family are massacred phase of history i'm curious what you guys think because obviously uh you know i was i i probably still trending on twitter i was trending all day for saying for like the 800th time you were in a civil war but this one time people were shocked that i said it oh come on it's a meme but i i i don't know if

civil war is a fair way to assess it because we may not be in active war as some people describe it but i think at the fundamental definition of multiple factions fighting over control of government you are certainly in something akin to that and many people say well maybe it's a cold civil war and that's a fair point as well or it could just be a bolshevik communist or communist revolution. I've said a bunch of times, I think that we're in the middle of a cultural revolution in the United States, similar to the one that happened in China. A communist revolution?

A cultural revolution. Yeah, I know, but... Communist, yeah. Communists are involved, that's for sure. Yeah, the thing is that it's not communist like, you know, back in the day, like the philosophies have evolved. So this is a... You want to call it neo-communist or something

like that neo-marxist that's fine because it's a new version it's based you know there's oh there's it's like there's multiple different kind of it's almost like it's a religion one overarching religion and there's different sects of it you know what i mean um so i'm not like i i know i've seen on twitter there are people that are upset that you said that and stuff. But it's like like I've I've kind of felt like we're in the in the middle of a not a an actual civil war, obviously, because there's not, you know, considerable violence in the street between warring factions. But we are in an information war. Isn't there? No, there's not like there's not. There's not. OK okay because i'm talking

about like actual gunfights oh yeah that's what i'm talking about and that's and that's what they're that's what they're the people that are upset they're upset because civil war brings to mind gunfights in american streets and that's what they don't want people to be referring to and so i want to be completely clear we are not in a civil war because we're not in there's not gunfights over territory with factions fighting the united states government fighting each other there's an information war going on i agree with that civil war cold civil war civil war period yes those that i agree with but it's not there's not gunfights we've already had uh people killed yes we've uh we had numerous. There's political violence. There's occupations, autonomous zones.

Yep. Weaponization of government by one faction. Yeah, one faction arresting their political opponents. All of this. That's why I said earlier today, all the stuff that's happening here, people that are outside of the United States context, outside of the Western context. When they look at us and they see, oh, one political party is persecuting their opponents they're arresting people they're charging as lawyers blah blah they see that and they're like that is all banana republic shit and no matter how much bill crystal and the morons at the new york times want to shove their head in the sand

and swear up and down that america's different the rest of the world sees right through their horseshit right through it because only unreliable and furthermore again the the fact that this makes america look unreliable only hurts the dollar when it's never been weaker when we've never had more debt when we've never had a a a well it's been a long time since we've had the type of income inequality that we do have in the U.S. There are a lot of problems that all of this stuff only makes worse, you know? So I don't see- Stephen Marsh says that we're in civil strife, which is the period that occurs right before

a civil war happens. Civil strife. Civil strife. Civil strife is when you have i think what do you say like 70 or more per year political deaths and the u.s is well beyond that most people just don't track these things but what people also don't realize and i have to say this every single time there was a revolution in egypt two of them actually within like a span of a year of each other if you went to the mall you wouldn't know anything was going on and because of this people watch movies and they think civil war means you look out your window

and guys in uniforms are marching down the street yeah go watch different go watch the videos of the syrian civil war where you see people walking around with groceries and going grocery shopping like people don't stop surviving and living and doing basic things like eating food and going to the grocery store simply because somewhere there's fighting going on. When I worked for Vice, we wanted to do this documentary on Syria. This is like the peak of the civil war because in Damascus they were advertising tourism in the United States. We were getting ads for Damascus nightlife. And we thought that would be absolutely wild to go to Damascus and document how people were just living their lives while there's like sarin gas attacks happening 50 miles away, highways being taken over. People were blowing each other up with shells and there's

snipers everywhere. But in the city, you wouldn't have known for the most part. So because of because of, I think, condensed history and movies people assume that there can't be any kind of warfare because the average person is going grocery shopping and i'm like yeah that's that that's what i witnessed in every place i've been to so does the southern border or any of the crime in any major city any of that other stuff contribute to the current civil war 100 so that's what i was saying so let's say this because there is i mean the death that the gun violence in in chicago and la and new york is kind of civil war the southern border i think is the biggest the biggest component that people should consider when it comes to the escalation into civil war let's say that by hard definitions

we are in civil strife as stephen marsh described it in his book titled The Next Civil War. He's actually a he described himself as a multicultural democracy kind of guy and more in favor of the liberal worldview. So be it. And he says we're not quite in civil war yet. Civil strife. Let's say that's the case. There's a various scenarios that could occur which will lead us into full scale civil war. And it's not going to be this ridiculous. I hear about the clan banging a gavel on a podium. That's nonsense. What it's going to be is that groups of militia will start forming on the southern border because of the crisis.

You've got an old man. Traffickers were crossing his property. They get shot and killed. I don't know if he's the one who did it. They arrest him. The guy, his own land, his own own property. Traffickers coming across his property. He one who did it. They arrest him. The guy, his own land, his own property, traffickers coming across his property. He defends his property.

They arrest him. He's going to go to prison. Eventually, you're going to have people say the federal government has abandoned us. There's no law enforcement down here. And the drug and human traffickers are running rampant. We've already had, what do they call themselves? The minute men in the past and various militia groups at what point do they actually then just assert territory and all of a sudden this could already be happening right now by the way because these stories have been uh persistent for the past 10 years or so right now there could be a

faction of people on a certain point of the southern border say arizona arizona is probably a good state for it that there's open border uh barrierless border and they don't recognize federal authority because the federal government's abandoned them like i'll put it this way they're not actively planting flags and saying there's no government they're saying that doesn't pertain to us i have i don't care they then start acting on their on their behalf. What happens when one of these groups sees someone smuggling children, traffickers. Which happens a lot. All the time. And they stop these traffickers. A gunfight breaks out and they kill these guys.

And then the federal government tries to arrest them. The thing about civil war is that it's not going to be people. People have this view of civil war because of the American Civil War. That it will be two factions who will all sign treaties together. And various states will be like, we're all working together and shake hands. When in reality, it's going to be various factions within states. And if you take a look at how Syria devolved into civil war, it was various factions fighting the government. And they all had different perspectives and views and eventually started coming together. And I think that was the Free Syrian Army.

It could be wrong. We could see something similar where you have pockets, you have groups that feel the federal government is is is derelict or is is illegitimate. The indictments against Donald Trump at the federal level, if Trump is removed from the ballot, how soon until sentiment grows in various rural areas where they're like, we don't answer to you anymore. You are not the government. It takes only 10 guys or so to assert that ideology, that worldview, that if Donald Trump is removed from the ballot,

then whoever is in office is not the actual government. Confidence shatters. One of the things I think they're trying to do with the indictments is to maintain confidence that their power is absolute. But that does not work. It never works. That just leads to rapid destabilization. The Soviet Union only lasted 69 years. Perhaps we get a Bolshevik-style revolution in the United States. Democrats and their crackpot neo-Marxists gain power, and it lasts 30 years. Who knows? Or maybe when that does happen, you will get various roaming factions of individuals in

rural areas that don't answer to the federal government anymore, and the federal government can't contain them and starts to ignore them people need to understand the amount of personnel in the federal government is not large enough to contain widespread unrest not at the urban level but at the rural level where people are just simply saying we don't answer to you or they put up checkpoints or they just outright stop paying taxes or something like that i mean didn't didn't they set up checkpoints, or they just outright stop paying taxes or something like that. I mean, didn't they set up, like, was it Chaz the thing? Remember when they set up that whole... Yeah.

How many days did that go? The autonomous zone. I mean, how many days did that... The George Floyd autonomous zone, I think, was like a year or two. So why can't... Why wouldn't that happen? That's exactly what I'm talking about. Yeah, exactly.

I mean, you can kind of... Drone strike in a city? I wouldn't put it past him, man imagine what would happen and this is this is a point james lindsey makes that the reaction is the goal that either they're trying to force you to allow perverts to groom your children or they get you to react and claim your hateful bigots and they use it as justification that part imagine the inverse imagine a group of right-wing conservative types who are peacefully occupying land that is controlled by the federal government the bundys for instance remember all that that he's actually scheduled to go back to

jail i think on thursday or so back to jail i just i i don't let me confirm that but i read that yeah but and i don't want to i don't want to conflate necessarily that was a different circumstance but imagine there's swaths of federal land that are completely you know unused but it's federal land and a group of guys are just like we're going to start utilizing this we don't recognize the authority of the government what's the government going to do imagine they show up and drone strike as ian suggests yeah that reaction will result in more people having their confidence shattered in government amman bundy uh was arrested three days ago for what uh defamation what and he was released yesterday for defamation that's civil tort that's not criminal arrest warrants since mid-april after an ada county

idaho judge found him in contempt of court for refusing to show up to legal proceedings interesting for nearly a year so that he just got let out yesterday can't move property or large cash sums for two weeks eventually you're just going to have a community i mean you look at uh rich men north of richmond the viral power of the song 10 million views in a couple days wow confidence shattered in government is what leads to civil war not a group of people who are organized and then sign a document and say we hereby declare it's when random people just say you're illegitimate get off my property i'll put it this way if a guy showed up to your house let's say you got let's say you got an acre in a suburban

area or rural area and one day a guy being carried in what are those things called where it's got the sticks and the guys carry it and the guy sits in the middle i don't know yeah let's say like a throne yeah it's not a throne it's called something else i don't know the word they're carrying him egyptian stuff he says put me down put me down they put him down he walks onto your property and says you will now tithe you will you will uh pay me 20 for i am your king what all right what are you talking what are you talking about? What are you talking about? No, you're not. Right. What if a guy walked onto your property, flashed a badge, and said that he was the, the neo-lord declared

of the current region or whatever? You'd be like, wait, what? Like, what's this badge? That would be a little bit confusing. Most people don't know what a comptroller is. So if someone shows up with a badge and says they're in charge, a lot of people right now are just like, OK, we still do have in the United States people being like, look, I don't

know you are show me a warrant, but a lot of people just submit. The point comes when there will be a legitimate law enforcement officer from an agency no one's heard of or doesn't care about, or even from, let's say, like the FBI, and people just don't respect them because they feel when the fbi goes after donald trump in this way and they see on news that it appears to be completely political and illegitimate they say these people aren't actually enforcing the law anymore why would i the only only reason why you'd agree to do anything they say is out of fear of death well there's a lot of people that don't.

And that's terrifying. They don't fear death. So what happens when there's a morbidly obese 70-year-old guy who's posting online that he's going to take action against the government in very serious ways that people should not do? Then they show up to his house. What does he do? The latest report on that guy out of Provo, Utah

was that he had a loaded.357 Magnum pointed at the federal officers. That's the kind of stuff that i'm talking about now i want to make sure i'm clear on this there is a path to victory that is through the legal system is by electing donald trump they can't they're not guaranteed victory this is why they're indicting his lawyers they want a reaction they want people to get violent. They are desperate for it because people are shifting towards Trump. Trump is winning in the polls in many states. Like I said, over the past year or so, people went from being passively anti-Trump to passively

anti-Democrat, anti-establishment. I'm not saying they're voting for Trump. I'm saying that they're losing confidence and they are desperate to maintain it. One of the only ways they get it is if Trump supporters go nuts. So they're hoping that by going after Trump, they get that. You said interesting thing into that. They're not anti-democrat. They're anti-establishment.

And the establishment used to be Republican in 2006. It was George Bush's establishment warmongering party. For whatever reason, these business bureaucrats behind the scenes now snagged onto the Democratic Party. Super delegates make it nice because they can just pick their candidate no matter who gets voted what. And people are tired of it. We're having a global revolution right now of artificial intelligence, of conscious,

just the way people think since the internet's been developed, the way people interface with each other. And we need a government to catch up to that. Mike Cernovich made a really important point he said did you know that the republicans currently have a comparable majority to what nancy pelosi had when she was targeting trump with all of these with all these proceedings the republicans just have to have the nuts to do something no it's they have the republicans have balls of steel. Don't you understand? Kevin McCarthy has iron clad testicles.

People just don't understand. He's not on your side. Yeah, he's not. He is standing in front of your face with a shit eating grin, smiling, saying, I'm here for you, while holding his hand behind his back with his fingers crossed.

It takes balls to look into the eyes of an American citizen and say, I'm working for you, but knowing deep down inside, you are lying, desperately trying to the the uniparty establishment yeah i look i i think also there's a shift to when you start to see um what's going on in hawaii right now and the negligence of joe biden and how they're responding to, you know,

the, the effort to get them supplies and money and like the local government. Like, I think that things that Joe Biden is also dropping the ball on is another push for people to be like, yeah, I, I'm just done with this guy.

Like Trump comes out with, you know, a statement yesterday and does what the three-minute video or something about hawaii and people are like why didn't biden do this and this guy's not even the president right now i don't know what the federal response has been exactly i would like to know um but i feel like this is like a call up the navy strategy where you like mobilize the navy to protect and preserve that area of the united states because not only are people suffering 1300 people still haven't been found 70 people have

been declared dead or something like that the entire city of lahaina has been burned to the ground for the most part not only that it's a national defense vulnerability to have a broken area of your country that's not functioning it's an easy target so they need to protect it while your president is on the beach. He's on vacation. It's almost like they're doing everything in their power. One of the things we talked about a few years ago is that they want civil war so they can abolish the Constitution. Because that's the only way to do it.

Yeah. And there's also a push to, I know that people are pretty aware that the definitions of words have been shifting considerably the past five, ten years. People have noticed that things don't mean what they used to mean or whatever. And there's a tactic in that, too. If you can shift the meanings of the words that are in the Constitution. And the law changes. Then you can change the meaning of the law. If you can get generally.

Like woman. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. And so the thing that was pointed out, I heard James Lindsay talking about this, but it was the land dedications that you hear. If you can convince people that they're on stolen land, then they don't own that property because it's illegitimately obtained.

And that means you're not protected. None of your rights are protected if you're on stolen property. That means you have no right to that property anymore and that and so now i'm not saying that that's exactly what's going on that that's the intent behind it but that could be a very happy side effect that people could use to go after people's property you guys remember john teeter we talked about it no briefly tell me it was back in the 2000s this uh guy claiming to be from the future yes oh yeah yeah there's a website and it was you know silly nonsense but one of the things

he said was that the country would fracture into four different regions controlled by four different powers europe would control a faction china would control a faction mexico and canada would split a faction it seems to be silly nonsense but i bring it up because I don't think a revolution is possible in the United States because the country is much too big. That's just it. You look at what's going on with with the Biden DOJ ignoring Lina with him, with his son and the corruption. With the DOJ going after Donald Trump, you're not going to get every state in this country just to be like, well, that's legitimate. After 2024, here's my concern. There's not going to be a definitive winner. It could be like, I think 1876 was the year where

they were like, who do we count? And it'll be akin to this why let me ask you guys why should i assume the 2024 election will be handled better than 2020 it would be worse any reason i would encourage you to not assume anything in that regard i i the i i feel like the fact that there's not all of the issues with covid might be a reason well they're trying to do that again though well we'll see donald trump makes a bunch of claims there's ballot fraud etc etc why would i assume the trump supporters would say less i can't just know the the assumption is clear there's no off-ramp as if you said earlier phil the likelihood is that in 2024 you are going to have insane disputes over who are the official electors because trump supporters feeling slighted from 2020

are going to be out in force with and i'm talking about lawyers documents filed pre during after and then you're going to have legal challenges to a certified slate of electors there's going to be 300 legal challenges in the courts that aren't going to be resolved in time and they're going to have legal challenges to a certified slate of electors. There's going to be 300 legal challenges in the courts that aren't going to be resolved in time. And they're going to go, how do we count something that's currently in legal dispute? The judges would have to just throw all of the lawsuits off the docket, which they can't just do. My assumption is 2024 will be bedlam. I don't see Democrats and Republicans just being like, well, you know, let me know what you think with the ballots and then we'll see who the president is. You're going to have Mark Elias.

You're going to have the NCLU. You're going to have various factions on left and right lodging lawsuit after lawsuit in various jurisdictions before, during and after the election. And then what's going to happen is various different news sources that are at odds with each other will report various different things. And you'll have people in some areas being like, I'm hearing the Democrats won, but the Republicans have electors, too. They're being the state legislature certified the Republicans. But the media said the Democrats won. What's going on? Oh, now, look, don't get me wrong.

I mean, maybe nothing happens. I don't know. Well, you said earlier that you thought it would be impossible for a revolution to occur in the United States. And I guess I got to hold on. What I'm saying is challenging because of the size. If D.C. was taken over by an occupying force in a military coup texas doesn't go along with that that's what i'm saying there's no point where the entire country just says revolution now we're under the under the rule of communism when i say revolution i'm not always talking about a change

in government um and formate like a government like from a democracy or from a republic to a communist state i'm not talking about necessarily like that it's a revolution is like a change it means to turn forward so like a change of of the mind i know this is like a maus tactic we're going to change the minds of the people and but i do think that can be done for good as well and it can happen quickly with the internet i i i have such a problem with that kind of like changing minds because that's that's many that's trying to manufacture consent or trying to get everybody on the same page. The ability that humans have to influence people is only either coercion or it's just through argumentation. What about convincing someone or forcing them forcing but what about when you perform like

i saw you singing in front of like 10 000 people or something like that yeah but that there's no gear yeah that's i mean you can you can entertain people entertaining people and convincing people to to believe in in your philosophy is totally different and and and the idea that you could get someone just on a stage to use charisma to convince people that's a bad thing too like i mean because like hitler was super charismatic but he was also a genocidal maniac you know so you you can't just say oh this person makes me feel good you know like i was saying earlier today like i but like i my my philosophy is is fundamentally an enlightenment philosophy because i believe that we can we can

interact with reality we can see reality and we can test things and we can reason proper results and if we just go by feeling and just by say oh this guy really moves me then then you get you end up with barack obama everybody that voted for barack obama for voted for hope and change they were voting with their heart they were voting i believe in barack obama i believe in people i believe in hope and change because i am hopeful and we can change things for the better nobody agreed on what change was nobody did but everybody felt real good about it we need to have people so we were coerced well i mean we were i mean it was i don't know some people could say we're like oh worse but it was like he's cool

he's a cool talker he's a good talker he's cool he smokes cigarettes outside the white house yeah like this guy is awesome i could party with him i'm totally want change i'm gonna vote for him yes i mean that that is true the votes for barack obama were very much votes for his charisma and stuff like that and it and you know there were a lot of things that changed from when he was running to when he was in office and stuff. So, you know, I mean, that is true. But still, like, we need to have people that we need to be able to reason, not just get wrapped up in we feel this way and we want to have this kind of emotional reaction and try to connect with people and convince them and get everybody fired up. I mean, you do want people that are motivated, that believe that agree with you, but you want people that have reasoned their way to their decisions, not responded emotionally. You know, do you think I think and I should say that if someone could stand up on a stage, fully charismatic, get everyone's hearts aligned and then provide them a blueprint of strategy

technically of how to solve the system and like put it out of their hands they've they've galvanized the populace to focus on an idea that's outside of the person that that could spark a a mental a consciousness it's not just the brain it's it's like a whole full body you know people start working out they start eating healthier healthier. They start having kids. These are cultural things. I think everybody's tired. I think Americans are tired. They're tired of being lied to by both sides.

They're tired of being constantly gaslighted. They're tired of being promised things. They're tired of being locked up in their houses and lied to, coerced into doing things that they don't want. I think they're tired and there's no way to go back to like how can we get everybody on the same pay unity we need you're never gonna get that anymore because of the fatigue it's just they're just disgusted there's a war weariness i know i've sensed it for a decade just the pain the pain conscious there's the dietary weariness that comes from overeating or eating crappy food that

knocks your body out. It's hard to wake up in the morning, that fog, too much carbs, all that crap. There's that fasting is a holy tenant. I mean, we could,

I mean, we can go on and on about that, but I mean, Joe Biden, people are tired by Joe Biden too. Let's, let's jump into the next story. I want to start by showing you this image.

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It's Donald Trump, and it says revenge on it. Breaking Trump to appoint special counsel to investigate Biden family corruption if reelected. This is the reason people want to vote for Donald Trump. You want revenge? I'll vote Trump. I'd like revenge. What do you guys think? I would like justice.

And if that means forgiveness and compassion along with it, mercy, apparently. What is that? Depends on if it's Greek or Latin, right? I go with the Greeks on these. that yeah let me tell you a story ian donald trump said that he would uh criminally indict hillary clinton that he would go after she'd be in jail and then what was it two days after he got elected he's like no no we're not gonna do that it's okay donald trump should have gone after all of these people with criminal charges because they're corrupt, evil individuals.

And he didn't. Because he said, we're going to forgive. We're going to be like you, Ian. We're going to forgive everybody. And now they're arresting his lawyers. I wish he'd said that. He never really talked about forgiveness. He still talked crap about Hillary while he was president.

He didn't prosecute. He didn't direct his DOJ to prosecute. But he didn't make good. He just told Hillary to stop talking about it. Well, Hillary talked crap aboutJ to prosecute. But he didn't make good. He just... Well, Hillary talked crap about him through her... I mean, they all do it. And then he didn't go after her. Yeah.

And he should have. Because he said you would be in jail. And she wasn't. And she also denied the election, too. To an extreme degree. Yeah. What was it? Was it her campaign or the DNC that funded the sealed dossier?

It was her campaign. Her campaign. Creating the lie that Donald Trump was a Russian spy. Yeah. Stacey Abrams. How come she's not in jail? Right. Exactly.

I love that Brian Kemp is like, for the past three years, no one has brought any evidence of voter fraud. And I'm like, you mean past five years? Right. Because you're excluding Stacey Abrams? What I actually said was, yeah, but you stole the election from stacy abrams you russian nazi well do you really i mean you're allowed to question elections in the united states not well he's getting prosecuted for doing just i mean that might be one of the things but it's the it's the jan 6th it's that's not literally it georgia is not going after him over january 6th they're not going after his lawyers for january 6th but i think that's why this whole

charade began is no no georgia is going after none of the charges related to january 6th in georgia georgia has no jurisdiction there they're charging trump and his lawyers for reaching out to state legislature on one of one of the acts is that they they reached out lawyers reached out to the legislature and said you guys should vote on this and choose who you think should actually win based on the discrepancies. They said, that's solicitation of a violation of oath of office. Not January 6th. They're saying because Donald Trump had lawyers go and make the legal argument

that they should take the constitutional path of upholding their absolute legislative power to determine who gets the electors they said so that's a violation of did stacy abrams do that did hillary have lawyers go talk to electors i don't know um so the democrats had alternate electors and faithless electors you're also just now you're just arguing to degrees not whether or not i'm arguing that you're allowed to question elections the united states again where the point is that's why trump is not allowed to because Trump is being prosecuted and Stacey Abrams has done this and Hillary Clinton has already done this. So I argue it's the way Trump questions the election. Jenna Ellis, there are ways that can get you thrown in jail of questioning elections.

Yes, Jenna Ellis, one of the indicted co-conspirators, was only charged on counts one and two which is i think violating the oath of public office and rico they're literally saying because she worked for trump she's guilty of conspiracy that's it that's it now other people were charged with like solicitation of the violation of office specific things but they're going after her quite literally just because she worked for donald trump as a lawyer so no you don't get to call a lawyer. And now it looks like the federal government's gonna do the same thing. They're going to go after Rudy Giuliani and Sidney Powell and a bunch of these people.

If you, if you guys go out and tell everyone, you can't question elections in the United States anymore. You turned us into a totalitarian state. We did. Don't do it. Exactly. What you got to keep the faith.

Say it. I mean, we did. No, I'm saying if you go out and start telling people you can't do this anymore, you become a hand of the state. You don't want to become that guy that's blackpilled and tells everyone it's over. You can question elections in the United States. Yeah.

There are legal ways to do that. Oh, go ahead. No, go ahead. Yeah. No, what you're saying is, is like, we can't run around and tell people that you can't question the elections. Right. Right. Can do that.

But you will be. That's okay. Of course, you can't question the elections right right can do that but you will be that's well no okay of course you could question the election and then if you take any actions in furtherance of your questions you'll be criminally charged sure i mean it depends on how but possibly like you could literally just be the lawyer for donald trump and they'll charge with conspiracy yeah but i think my theory or my hypothesis if he hadn't told people to go to the capitol on jan 6 none of this would be happening right now and And peacefully protest? That's the First Amendment. But that's, it's literally,

many other groups and organizations did that worse. Like, I'm not saying it was right, but I'm also saying there's other organizations and groups that did that also at the Capitol. Like, they burnt down a church. Or they tried to burn a church. Or they tried to burn down a church. They set fire to it.

Where's the RICO charges for any of these guys? They were all let off. That was organized and planned. They were all let off of all charges. We still have guys that are still in jail from January 6th that were at the, just to say, the hot dog cart across the street.

I mean, come on. There's got to be a point where everybody on both sides is like, all right, this is nuts. Right. Or no, I think so.

No, I hope so. There is not. I mean, I, that's why I'm into pardons. I think of it as if you don't care, if you really don't find some kind of,

uh, like spiritual fulfillment and finding your enemies, like forgiven. If you don't get that, then think of it as a hostage negotiation and you want those Jan six prisoners out so you pardon them and then you want hunter biden pardoned as the hostage prisoner exchange yeah think of it as a prisoner exchange that's why you issue mass pardons and maybe society will freak out maybe it won't maybe it has to come from the top maybe it has to come from the people first i don't know but it can't happen i kind of think of it more like there's a

guy running around setting fires and ian is like if you please promise not to do it again we won't put you in jail it's like well i don't know about that yeah it's like saying i'm not gonna i'm not gonna put you in jail for all those fires you started if you do it again you're done but i'm we're moving forward let's not anyone light any more of those that that's kind of the mentality with the with the hope that they won't and then what happens when they do um well that's a loaded question if if they do uh then you have to put them in prison you can't just keep yeah yeah we can't keep playing the game got it i don't know it's wild to me that's all well what what what's what's the next step i mean we've got a couple months away.

A couple. We've got maybe, I don't know, seven months until we start going to the primaries. I think we got to record a million to one because we need to become a cultural center. That's a song. We need people loving us. It's a song I wrote that Ian really likes. It's the best song. It's your best song so far. And it's just the beginning.

So full disclosure i just started following your music oh love it thank you i agree it's great i don't believe it's that important i believe building culture is important because laws are only enforced on cultural grounds confidence is everything yeah if people didn't have confidence in the dollar nobody would take the dollar which is why the u.s gives dollars to countries all over the world for garbage nonsense. And that's why I say that voting Republican is good because you need actions within the government to alter policy and things like that. But for the most part, what's going to change this is building culture. Rich men north of Richmond, the corporate press is attacking it.

As a far right wing. Industry plant, fake, blah, blah, blah blah he's the most genuine guy it's like just a video of a guy singing i don't like i don't even like that's the best thing for it though but who cares if it's an industry like maybe this guy got signed a long time ago and said we're gonna put up a music video and ask people to promote it i'm like okay it's a good song yeah have a nice day the the left the people that are attacking it are the best thing for its credibility. Oh, yeah. Because the people that are attacking it are doing exactly what he says they're doing. It's the champagne social, the idea of the champagne socialist, the rich urban people.

And those are the people that while they talk a good game about the working man when a working man you know or an ostensibly not wealthy not cosmopolitan person is sitting there singing a song about the struggles that they're noticing in their lives all they do is dump all over him call all kinds of names and it really he really the lyrics really do tap into things that are on a lot of people's minds but the people on the left i mean they feel like it's attacking them and they're the ones that are making it about them because it doesn't specify aside left or aside yeah obviously there's a whole lot of you know insecurity when it comes to the uh the remark about epstein island and or the the line about epstein island and stuff um but it's

not particularly right leaning it in policy it's but it is culturally right and that's why cultural leftists really hate it and it you know you can i enjoy reading the people that hate on it because it's you know well because it's like the people that like you say something about but you're not you didn't mention them by name but they're guilty so they're like are you talking about me yeah they feel quite guilty so it's yeah totally about you so i uh i'm a big fan of i thought the song was very simple if you haven't heard it yet north richmond north of richmond um it's verse course verse course pretty basic but the guy's performance is out of control we need we need that we need like we need heart-shattering sound

to to shake people out of this morose yeah i mean like i said, it speaks to the mistrust of the average, well, of the establishment by the average person. And I think that the fact that it resonated with so many people and went viral so fast and so viral so fast, I think that that's something that really has worried the establishment i mean you have rolling stone crapping on a protest crap on everybody well i mean they didn't always a protest song that's supposed to be something that rolling stone would get behind you know it's protesting against the government and and like you know in the 60s that would have been or the 70s that's that would have been right up rolling stones alley they'd have been right there cheering them on but they weren't because they're the establishment right they're the propaganda arm let's jump to this unrelated story but interesting nonetheless minnesota town's entire police force resigns leaving chief with zero prospects good hue minnesota a small town

in the southeastern part of the state lost lost its entire police force after the chief and other members of the force handed in their resignations. I think we're a little bit blindsided by it, but we're resilient. We're going to move forward. This has been three weeks now. We have zero applicants, zero prospects. I've called every PD around for the youngest guys out there getting in the game. Nobody's getting in the game. If you want to keep the PD and this is something we want to keep going with, something needs to change dramatically and drastically,

and it's got to happen now. One Goodhue City Council member praised the police force for maintaining law and order in the town of Goodhue. I can probably speak for everyone when I say that they provided excellent safety and security to our community, et cetera, et cetera, blah, blah, blah. And nobody wants to be a cop. So when I talk about what comes next,

confidence, people believing in federal government. Yeah, at least in this small town. And it's not the only place we're seeing things like this. This is just the most extreme example. The entire police force resigning. We've seen similar things before of mass resignations from various police departments. What happens to a town when they have no cops? Well, we can already see what's happening to L. to LA and New York when the law says you can't

arrest these people, when people aren't allowed to defend themselves or their property. But what happens when there's no cops? It's not what people think. People assume if there's no police officers, then you're going to have rampant crime. Actually, I think in small towns, it'll be the inverse. You know why? Because if there's no cops to arrest a criminal at all, the criminals already aren't getting arrested. That means there's no one to arrest the person for defending themselves, which means in small towns with zero police, people will start arming up. And then if someone comes in to rob their store, they get shot. Then this person says, there's no government. I don't abide by any of that. I don't know what they're talking about. They abandoned us a long

time ago. And this leads to social breakdown and and decay but maybe it ultimately leads to more community building because if there's no cops people have to go talk to their neighbors to figure out how they're protecting each other protecting each other yeah i think becoming a cop through necessity kind of is more noble than doing it for a paycheck doing it because we truly need protection and then calling the greatest among us to protect is like, that's a calling. It's important to note the population of this city, it is a city, is only 1,176. Did you see how many cops resigned? Was it like five?

It was probably five. Yeah. The entire police force is like five. But I mean, you know, they still resigned. What did they resign for? I don't think it says so how do you feel about the law that's being passed in chicago or illinois where illegal immigrants can actually become police officers now i first have heard of it there's nothing wrong with illegal. Well, illegal. Yeah, illegal immigrants should not.

Low pay and competition from larger cities was a big component. So they're getting jobs in other cities. They're getting paid more going to bigger cities. I mean, that makes sense. What's this law you mentioned in Chicago? Do you know what the name of it is or anything? In Illinois, it's being passed here shortly. I think it's November.

If you are an illegal immigrant, you can also be a police officer. Oh, yes, that's right. That's J.B. Pritzker's new law. Non-citizen law enforcement. Yeah. So should we fill Minnesota's town

with five illegal immigrants? Not all at once, if you can help it. Maybe introduce one at a time and let them get socialized and you should i think that people should like you know be like in the united states legally before they start working for the united states could you go to i feel like that's a good idea yeah i mean could you go to any country in the world and just become a police officer tomorrow confident you that's a no it could be a way to earn so why do we allow it no i don't know about that either i i don't think we should i i honestly like like i'm super for like point being is are

we this desperate right our police officers like leaving the police force and record numbers if i understand correctly i i mean i don't have any you know data on it but like that's what it seems like this is a house bill 3751 in case people want to look into it um i wonder about like letting people earn ways for people to earn citizenship um and if joining military a lot of like they do that you you can do that by joining the military and i think the military is one thing but but just coming to the united states and joining a civilian police force i think is different yeah i've never heard up to this point that that would function but maybe it would be a good way to you can buy citizenship yeah yeah one thing that people

do is they'll uh you don't need to be an american citizen to start a company in the united states so they'll start a company then they'll hire themselves and use that as justification for coming here there's also economic uh visas where it's like if you have a certain amount of money invested then you get to stay in the country i have no problem with people come to the u.s that are that are you know looking to to improve their situation and and start a business or whatever it's like that's that's that's what i mean that was it's one of the wonderful things about the united states is is we've always been open to people that want to come and want to be you know want to be free and and take advantage of the fact that we are a mostly free country you know the problem is when it's

like oh you know we're just gonna have people that we're gonna allow people to come in and then as soon as you get here we're gonna get you onto some kind of government uh you know subsidies or government program or something that's the bad thing before american citizens yeah lily no just at all. Like if you're here illegally, you shouldn't be getting government. Well, right. But they are getting it before American citizens. Yeah, true.

But they shouldn't be getting it at all. Not about. I don't think that there's a before US citizens kind of thing in that. I don't think if you're here illegally, you shouldn't be getting 100% of grade, like unemployment and stuff like that. Yeah, you shouldn't be getting those things you don't stuff like that yeah you shouldn't be getting those things you don't need I understand there are people like oh if someone's here they're paying taxes etc you know I get it that is true but to me it's just

not convincing it's like if you're here illegally you shouldn't get free services from the government beyond the immediate stuff that everyone else gets like if you show up at a hospital and you need emergency care, that shouldn't mean that you get sent to the police and get sent out of the country.

If you need the police to help you, the police shouldn't automatically wrap you up like the regular beat cops. But there's a whole lot of DHS out there and they do a whole lot of messing with your average people when they could be looking for people that have, you know, skipped their hearings for whatever they call it when they come to the country or whatever. So, you know, I wonder what percentage of illegal immigrants are actually like superheroes that are more're better off having on this in this country well probably not real not real superhero magic but like people that are like sub super human intelligent like very very top of the level they would have came here legally yeah that's that's

they they have a brain to come here legally they're probably well off in my opinion successful in their own country and then they buy a private jet to fly in and get a special class visa one of the bad things about people that come to the united states the people like that that come to the united states if they're successful people that are coming to the u.s from under you know uh people from countries that have lower economic you know output and stuff like that the people that are successful they're needed in those countries so if you're like a doctor in you know somewhere in in africa and they're and you're a good doctor in the major city in in you know whatever african country you're talking about and you leave to come to the u.s that's better for you but there's a lot

of people in africa that were relying on you being the good doctor in town taking care of them so there's it's a double-edged sword when you're like oh we're gonna do we're gonna accept we want to accept good people that can contribute to our society if you're taking them from the third world country which they have every reason to want to get out of there i get it but if you're taking from third world countries those people are the ones that are the most necessary to help build those countries that they're coming from. So it's just a struggle idea that people need to think about when it comes to immigration. Brain drain, causing brain drain on other countries. Yeah.

Yeah, it's definitely, you could argue that it's international defense to have the best brains. Damn be the consequences, but I get what you're saying. We're a holistic world and we should support other nations as well yeah i mean my grandparents came here the legal way i mean they weren't doctors or anything but they came to this country for a better life and in back in the 19 whatever it was 70s and they were like what do i got to do to be a u.s citizen what is the what what i gotta do just tell me what i gotta do do. And they did it. That's it. They were normal people.

They did it. They became citizens. They raised their families. They came here, you know. So I'm not saying there's no good people in that bunch that are coming here illegally, but I'm also not saying a majority of them are probably the rock stars that you're talking about. I think that makes sense because the super super super phenomenal humans will probably figure out how to get here legally of course because they're not going to want to go across the rio grande

when they have all these skills they're going to want to be like hey how do i how do i come here so i can because i got all these skills and we'll be like absolutely like come on over if you're trying to smuggle kids across the border you're probably not the person that should be here and if you're one of those kids it basically be here. And if you're one of those kids, it basically doesn't even matter. If you're like a 16-year-old, but you're like a super genius and you're getting smuggled across the border,

that's not, I don't know. Yeah, it's law. It's a tangent. Yeah. It's unfortunate. The cop thing in New York, I feel like, man, they've already got non-citizen voting

in parts of California andia and new york that's it global global citizen one world government whatever you want do you think there's value to letting people earn citizenship through serving in like civil like police and fire department no fire department maybe not law enforcement law enforcement you i think you've got to be a citizen fire department though i can respect that and say okay you know we'll put you on the fire department or something like that but the problem is there are people here who want to be firefighters and get paid to do it yeah there's there's huge wait lists it's very difficult in big cities to get that job it's a good job it's i guess in situations like what we got in minnesota where five they can't hire a police force like would it be reasonable to hire

no yeah to have a non-citizen enforce the law that's that's that's dramatic erosion of of your country your social standards your law yeah a guy putting out fires totally different right they're saving people i mean yeah just putting fires out you don't need to speak english or no american doctrine to put out a fire you do you probably should know you should at least know the same language as the rest of the team. With the lieutenant or captain on scene who is instructing people on what to do to put the fire out. Yeah, you've got to speak English. You're also being dispatched.

Well, you just said you didn't have to. No, you don't need to know American doctrine to put out a fire. It's a universal language. Get the hose. Buckets. Yeah. I mean, there's five people. We just need five firefighters for this town.

We got this. I think. There you go. We. We just need five firefighters for this town. We got this. I think. There you go. We can cover this police force, just this table. I think we see a lot of this stuff. Cops resigning because of what happens. I mean, it's Minnesota. I wouldn't be surprised if a component of this,

people are resigning because of what happened to Tau Tau. The cop who was simply present while George Floyd floyd was killed got he got what five years so who wants to be a cop nobody especially when you're you know i have family members that are were and are cops of in chicago and during the riots during the blm stuff they they got bricks thrown at their foreheads and they were the same cops that were playing basketball with the kids in the inner communities so they're like why am i doing this anymore like i i am a good cop i don't need bricks thrown at my head and then no support from our chief i'm out bye you guys listening anybody want to be a cop put a two in the chat if you want to be a cop and then put a nine if you

don't want to be a cop yeah put a nine if you're not interested there's got to be an alternative number he's like two there's got to be like one i guess people got to want to be cops to be a cop like you've got to have faith in the system be like i love this city so much that i want to make it safe that's one of them that's the real like caustic and and bad thing about the a-cab sentiment it's not just that that like you you know, you have issues with the existing cops. If your whole community has the attitude that all cops are bastards,

who wants to help? Who wants to be a cop? And the places that have the people that are screaming ACAB the most are places that need the cops the worst. You know, I mean, nobody wants to be a cop now. Do you think that the do you think that being a police officer in a community that has a cab written on all in written graffiti on

all the walls around and and and you can't get the the community to talk to you and help you find any you know solve crimes or whatever. Do you think that any cops want to be a police officer? I love that story from Elliot Page about some guy screaming and chasing Page into a store in West Hollywood or whatever. Because now I'm pretty sure West Hollywood has the community safety person, advisors or whatever, instead of cops. God.

It's like, yeah, people in like vests instead of police officers or something like that. So it's, you can make this news story where you you say i was accosted by a deranged man okay can we point out that it's the left that advocated for the removal of these police so now you're even less safe have a nice day where did a cab come from do you know cops was it like inserted like it's a gen z thing it's just like no it's not i don't know i've never heard it since been around for a long long long there's um yeah it's a it's a gen z thing it's just like no it's not i don't know i've never heard it since been around for a long long long there's um yeah it's a it's a leftist 1312 really i didn't know

that 1312 is a cab with oh and that's where fuck 12 comes from oh okay i i mean i've never been anti-cop so i didn't know yeah 12 is a reference to 1312 so they're just saying f are bastards but whatever okay got it and thank you for teaching me that okay so that's like i mean my mind these days goes to like communist revolution tactic the chinese have implanted this in my in my social media now people think all cops are bastards but they're not it's like but but maybe it's more just like a self-hatred thing like things because i was so critical of the united states in 2007 because i was watching the war in iraq and the war in afghanistan and and hated it so much i was like good the u.s dollar we don't want to be hegemonic anymore stop like stop being the world police and now i'm like what is that now i'm like

realizing what does that really mean like if we just stripped ourselves of being the authority on earth that there'd be another one would step forward. So like maybe destroying our own home just because it's not the best, it might actually be the least worst. We're going to go to Super Chats. If you haven't already, would you kindly smash that like button, subscribe to this channel,

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rubicon into banana republic territory as of last night no it's communist revolution territory not banana republic territory checking in on our poll from earlier we have at least nine people down to Banana Republic territory as of last night. No, it's communist revolution territory, not Banana Republic territory. Checking in on our poll from earlier, we have at least nine people down to be cops. So I'm encouraged. Oh, wow. That's great. Fox Tashikata says, I'm not your friend, pal. That was too fast.

Cheers, Tim Cass crew. Keep up the good work. Really do appreciate it. Raymond G. Stanley Jr. says, Tim, I finally got the American flag beanie. Now I must turn it upside down to represent the current political distress status of our country and in these three years the political landscape has only deteriorated how of us who of us uh how of us have recently woke up just to realize the country has been taken over by an evil that will not that will stop at nothing

to gain power yep dev. Devin says, When will we get a guest appearance from the king? Need to hear how he feels about his return to the throne. It's long overdue. Hail to the king. And a rooster emoji. Yeah, we're not going to bring him on to IRL anytime soon. He's now in charge of Chicken City once again.

He has returned. And it's unfortunate. We buried Roberto Jr. today. Oh. He is now buried just outside of Chicken City in a chicken grave. Wow. I went and paid my respects today. I saw that.

Yeah. Roberto Jr., he was, and his sister died. They were the first eggs we incubated from the chickens. Well, they were a weak bunch. But it's weird that she died right after he died. That's really weird. Yeah. Yep. I mean, it actually makes a lot of sense their brother and sister they were incubated at the

same time in the same way and they were from the the chickens had just started their adulthood and it's their first babies and a weak bunch they're connected connected. Sure. More than. Let's read some more super chats. Paul Tascolo says, as a general rule of thumb, I evaluate the veracity of a legal document based on attention

to detail. On page 20 of the indictment, Act 2 is listed twice. They had 2.5 years to do this and couldn't proofread it. Not guilty.

Wow. Amazing. Purple says, beep, boop, bop. Thank you for that. Devin devin says tim what's your last straw what would we need to get get to in this civil war for you to leave the country or to pick up arms and fight i don't i don't know i i think i only i i'd probably only be defending myself i think self-defense there's no answer to that.

Leave the country? We're really close to the point where throughout history, people fled their country out of fear of political persecution. I mean, look, January 6th outright is an example of it. And it's fascinating how desperate conservatives are to deny reality. Not all of them. Some of them. The DOJ is arresting people who walked peacefully into a building with the doors opened by police with no warnings, no barricades, no signs. Yes, I know.

And I said every time there were people riding on one side of the building, they should be criminally charged. Even Trump said that but they're raiding the homes of people because they walked onto the capital grounds having no idea what was going on waving little american flags and then they left plato uh fled after socrates was executed the plato and a bunch of socrates other followers were like let's get the hell out of here because this is not good yep they went to yeah i mean i think people forget too that like it's the same thing is going on in canada or happened in canada with with their truckers right and they had the convoy i think they have political prisoners as well they do so they really oh yeah pretty sure that they shut down their bank accounts yeah yeah they have nothing but anyway i i think it's possible for

people to flee the country sure but then plato came back 20 years later and founded the academy right outside of athens so you know nothing's temporary a lot of people flee return when things calm back down but i hope people just understand that they indicted trump's lawyers i would be surprised to hear that no one fled the country i don't know anybody who did well max kaiser yeah but that's for different reasons economic yeah max and max and stacy went to el salvador to help with actually they didn't flee they went there to make it better there they enjoy that well they went there to help bitcoin and to to embrace bitcoin and expand upon it and el salvador has been doing amazing i guess

people that are really fleeing persecution don't announce it publicly. No. And they don't talk about it publicly. They just leave. They just leave. But, you know, you read these stories out of World War, out of Weimar, Germany, and you read these stories about people, you know, Jewish people who live in the United States and they're like, oh, my grandparents left before World War II.

And it's like, how did they know? And it's like, because they could see everything that was happening and they knew well what what the nazis were advocating for because so they got out and a lot of people didn't and stayed there and i write i'm like i read these stories people who were denying they didn't believe it could get that bad yeah they just indicted trump's lawyers i know know. His lawyers. And people are just like, oh, it's whatever. Whatever, dude.

Read, please. Read about any civil war. Read about any revolution. This is the breaking point. Is this the kind of thing, if it's a conspiracy chart, doesn't that mean that either they're all guilty or none of them are guilty? I would assume so. No, not necessarily. Because one person might argue that they were never actually privy to the conversations and that they were wrongly charged

you know what i mean yeah this all seems to stem from the fact that the belief that trump knew that what he was doing was it was wrong if they will go after your lawyers you have no legal protections in this country you have no rights they are just going to lock you up correct trump lot of j-6ers could not get lawyers because the government is going after people yeah if the if the government if the government prosecutes lawyers for defending people or for giving counsel that's violating one of the you know the the right to counsel the right to a fair trial you can't have a fair trial if the government is intimidating lawyers from working with john adams represented the british after the revolution yeah they believe everyone deserves due process so due process is done but that that's literally true that's

something like what i said earlier the the point is to strike fear into the population. Lawyers are going to be afraid to defend people that have the wrong political opinions. This is this is the the behavior of the government is intended to frighten people and to spread the message that if you if you have the wrong opinions and you are vocal about them, the government is going to come down on you. And the only right opinion is what we're saying is the Biden opinion, right? That's the only one you're allowed to have. It's not so much the Biden opinion, but it's probably the left politically. Well, Biden is 80. I don't believe he knows anything. I believe that he's being

handled. So it's not like he's the one that's making the calls. So other people are making the opinions and he's saying them and he's the mouthpiece. But Joe Biden, like Joe Biden isn't wiping his own butt. Never mind, actually. You know he's sitting there like, I am wiping my own butt, Phil. I really don't believe that he's wiping his own butt.

Alright, let's read some more. We got Infinite Soul Daddy says, can I get a shout out for my 20th anniversary my wife and i love the show also if you're going to talk nutrition you need to find a legit legit sources i highly recommend dr lane norton violin oh yeah shout out for your 20th anniversary happy to hear it hope all is going well armored jester says i never called you crazy tim i i too am cursed with being ahead of the curve i could be wrong i'm just saying all you have to do is say here's the scenario in which democrats calm down that ultimately leads to the point where biden and trump hug high five and wave an american flag together i'm being somewhat silly but just explain to me a scenario in which following these indictments trump supporters say, let's stop fighting.

DMT. Yeah, I really doubt it. Psilocybin. MDMA therapy. Beau Bierneson says, next Casper commercial idea, we recreate the scene from Psycho where Ian is in the shower and gets pecked to death, violence, screech, and all. We were just talking about that. Well, no, but Ian has been converted by the coffee so the next commercial needs to be someone else and the question people are asking is what would happen

if he didn't drink the coffee so i think what we do is we have somebody similarly waking up to the scream running but they go into the kitchen and they say get the coffee ready but there's no one there and they go crap then they run in and start trying to fumble with the coffee they can't get it and then roberto shows up and they're like i'm brewing it i'm brewing it no no and then it shows them backing into the corner and then you see just the silhouette of the rooster pecking and then you see like a silhouette of liquid spraying in the air yeah and you can see the coffee mug in the shadow. And then you hear the weird demonic crowing, and it'll just be like, drink cast brew coffee. Yeah, I like it.

Then the next idea is Ian walks into the room with his eyes glowing, and he says, hello, friends. Would you like a glass of delicious cast brew coffee? And everyone's like, oh, yeah, sure, I guess. And then one by one, they all drink it and then turn into zombies just like him and go, this is good coffee. Tastes very good. Mine's a little cold. I'll zap it with my red eyes and it'll be steaming.

And then you can have someone be like, wow, does Casper give you superpowers? And then he drinks it and then he goes, no, it tastes good. Doesn't give you superpowers. Let's grab some more super chats t-rex patch up says has luke ritkowski explained why he complains so much but doesn't vote one thing i always say is you can't complain if you don't vote tim how many mealworms do you need live or freeze dried i have no idea i i know i'm not the chicken tender i no longer take care of the chickens i used to go out there periodically and i would I would feed the chickens

and they'd all run around doing chicken stuff oh how can we answer that about Luke why does he complain all the time and not all the time apparently he came out complaining about DeSantis recently despite praising him quite a bit you in the chat Luke

why do you do it because he advocates for personal responsibility it starts with him and his community no that's just what i believe about him i don't know if he's listening right now we will grab some more super chats is it worse to not vote in your opinion um i only vote if i believe in the candidate truly i will not vote an election if i don't find any of the candidates sufficient okay that's fair But I will tell people to vote for a candidate I believe in, and hopefully that generates more than one vote. I feel like that could be more effective than one vote.

All right, Melissa Wood says, I'm more concerned now that they are hedging their bets on Trump being elected, and they are warning anyone that may accept a position with his presidency they will target and Trump's left toothless. Interesting. target and trump's left uh left toothless interesting acdc says trump has been charged with more indictments than al capone and john gotti together unreal yeah but they couldn't get capone on anything they got him on tax evasion wasn't

that wasn't wasn't that it tax evasion anthony brownlee says i live in georgia and i am sick of these corrupt politicians thinking they know what's best for me and my family i'm ready to make a stand quit my job and run for office but i'm calling for help to get started not money just information where to start uh google i suppose i'm not entirely sure maybe you could meet with local officials go to a local congressman's office and ask them and and see what they could do for you see what they can tell you trent lamalino says i had only plans to vote for dave smith but with him not seemingly wanted wanted wanting to and everything going on with trump i'll vote for 45 savage yeah i'd have liked

to vote for dave smith but i want trump to win i'm not sure dave is is running i don't know what's going on with it there was like rumors of him doing it but i don't know what's going on there's a lot of rumors going around the libertarian party about who may or may not run i've heard a bunch if i understand dave is not going to run is that publicly known well i don't if i understand i don't think there's been any kind of like confirmation that he's not but the you know he hasn't announced and everyone kind of is like running around looking around for someone for the libertarians the rumors i've heard is that the mises caucus guys are trying to find someone and their choices are awful the one of them one of the choices that i've heard is he's a friend

of mine he's a nice guy i don't know if he's i don't even i've never seen him hanging out with libertarians i've never seen him post about libertarian stuff i don't know if he knows he should do it i don't know if he knows who mises is ian ian's not very libertarian i know but not no libertarian agrees any libertarian is libertarian so it works perfectly that's as you were talking i was like how can a libertarian run the country because the whole purpose is that you've decentralized libertarian would be cool to go in there and decentralize the government though it's a funny thing about libertarianism versus communism communists believe that every communist country wasn't real communism and libertarians think each other individual libertarian aren't

are not real libertarians as soon as you want the state to do anything you're not a libertarian yeah eeyore says i'm curious if y'all heard of the gun youtuber brandon herrera running for the 23rd district of texas yes i think he'd be a great guest for the show love the show keep the great work we have we have absolutely brandon is the homie promotional email says don't know if this made the rounds yet marion county kansas police conducted a raid and seizure of local news agency reporters and their equipment happened a couple days ago. And I believe the woman who owned it, while they were getting raided, she died of like a stress heart attack or something like that. Yeah, I heard about that.

Well, I didn't know that it was a woman. I thought it was a man, but I heard. Oh, was it a man? It died of a heart attack. It was like an old person who owned it. And while the police were, I guess it's like an illegal raid, they just dropped dead. Yep. Jeez.

Welcome to America. Right. Let's see. where i guess it's like an illegal raid they just drop dead yep geez welcome to america right let's see chafed bm good name says it is time for prosecutors in red states to start indicting fannie willis jack smith judge chutkan alvin bragg etc for election interference then issue arrest warrants for them and hold them without bond anything goes now yes but there's no gop they're not going to do anything they're not going to do anything so that's the thing danis says ian they want power it will never be enough for them make no mistake they want any opposition to them to be illegal yeah who's they who is they though jesus who is they though democrats yeah that's such a i got you know i gotta do this maybe maybe someone listening wants to do this

there's that song by gem from i think like the 2000s called they and just listen to the song and it's hilarious by today's today's standards because of what it implies based on the you know ac by like the aclu and the splc and the adl maybe not aclu but the adl and the splc and like what are some of the lyrics someone's like um i can't remember the song but look up the lyrics and i was thinking it would be funny to make a video where you have the song they any any song that refers to they as a protest song and then after every key line from the song it's kind of going who is they though you also have i was into muse um i forgot

the song's called but in the song they're like they will stop degrading us they will like yeah people know the song and i'm like we were skating and the song comes on they will stop uh ignoring us or whatever i don't know the lyrics are and i was and i just went who is they though and i'm like there's a lot of songs that refers to they as people in control and power. And I think we just need a compilation of every song that's talking about they, you know, or them. And then just having Kanye jump in actually,

and you could probably do, you could probably do a cover. Like you could probably do like a full song where you make an amalgam of all these different songs. And every time that line is sung, you get actually in sequence with the song. Who is they though well i'm like pitch correct it yeah that'd be great that's doable that'd be funny

where we at crunkajew says j6 was in support of pence to reject the counterfeit electors except pence was a coward and backed out so we were left with biden it's not it's not necessarily about even rejecting counterfeit it's about the the principal argument was that in some instances governors changed the election rules without the approval of the state legislature or courts did and the argument was these electors should go before the state legislation there should be a session where they vote to certify this if they want and if they don't then they make a decision and mike pence was terrified that the deep state would come for him as they're coming for everyone else so there you go

where are we at let's grab this one tyrian says did ian just honestly say trump has poor people skills he's loved by his employees he's negotiated with his enemies and helped bring peace. They attack him because he has those skills and is uncontrollable. Yeah, I didn't think I didn't say people skills. It was but it was similar to Socrates. Like he angers people.

You know, some people are well liked by everyone around them and some people are more divisive. So he pisses the people that he's pissed off is coming back to haunt him i think but like he called rosie o'donnell a fat pig in public that's crazy i think more than once it's disgusting a fat pig trine 54 says the 117th congress is in its infancy had to step over the dead body of a veteran to confirm the electoral vote for the presidency tell me again we are not in a civil war the argument against the civil war as a term is that there's not discernible factions shooting each other in the streets the argument i suppose is if it escalates to that point they will refer to this period as a civil war right right so it's like... It depends.

It depends. It'll be like Weimar Germany with all the different factions fighting in the streets. Yeah. I guess it could be, if it goes the Spanish civil war route, you get a right-wing military coup, and if it goes... It could go the Nazi route, or it could go the Bolshevik route.

Pick your poison. They're all awful. People fighting in the streets before lunchtime. Yeah. Bittoran says, how does Trump ever get a fair trial by a jury of his peers? How many billionaire real estate mogul former presidents are there? Ha ha. Yeah, there was a people are looking up the names of the grand jurors and apparently a bunch of them are diehard leftists.

Oh, nice. of the grand jurors and apparently a bunch of them are die-hard leftists oh nice i just saw the video of the 30 year old girl that was like the foreman on that one trial where she's like oh yeah like this and yeah i was eating a teenage ninja turtles popsicle when we saw that it was crazy her name is what emma emma's or not and i don't remember what is that girl's name that was crazy yeah it was crazy says, Tim, in my opinion, the next Civil War is going to be a mix of IRA guerrilla warfare tactics from the 20th century with modern 21st century resistance

tactics like hacking using technology to inflict damage physically. It's going to be all drones. No, no. I think there's going to be poisonings. I think there's like... And look what happened in Russia with that that influencer who got who was given the statue that exploded i think i think in modern fifth

generational civil war you see things like that there will be hackings there will be industrial control system hacking and things like that uh power grids shutting down but i think the escalation path for this in terms of street level violence, I don't know if we get to that point where the street level violence is inherently worse, is substantially worse than where it was a few years ago, because those extremists are now in government or the government has become extreme to where they're just arresting their enemies. So you have Antifa fighting with Proud Boys in the street. Yeah, that's phase one.

The next level is now the FBI is Antifa, and they're literally just going and arresting anyone who opposes them. So in that case, you won't see, it's a revolution. You don't see a civil conflict. And then if they win, history records, evil people were arrested. You know, the fascists were stopped before they could rise to power do you think that american republicanism can exist on the global stage yes i think it's the perfect way for the world to operate people have their own sovereign states

they can live the way they want to live and then there are uh courts and councils so that we can adjudicate problems like i have i have i have uh no problem with international treaties and cooperation on solving international problems i don't like the idea of a totalitarian communist one world government i like the idea that instead of going to war we file a lawsuit with an agreed upon third party. And then one country hears that, you know, we don't we don't fight over it. In fact, I would prefer if there was a territorial dispute. We have a soccer match over it. Like anything is better than blowing each other up.

Yeah. You know. But it knows. KCB says, I unbelievably agree with Brian Krasenstein. Interactions IRL with political opponents are usually cordial. IMO, any future widespread violence would be aimed at the government enforcers who impose penalties on any dissenters. Wrong. Just tell that to Aaron Danielson, who was shot twice in the chest for no reason. Go to any any political rally where whenever

conservatives say they're going to have a rally, the left shows up and mercilessly beats people. Years ago, I watched them throw an explosive at an old lady who then fell on the ground and it was it was uh m80 m80 i say explosive people thinking it's bigger no m80 dangerous can can kill you especially no lady she could figure out blow your hand off yeah and she falls down and gets knocked down by this and i'm like this is nuts like they're throwing mortar shells at people at each other it's it's the craziest thing that winter comes around and people forget what happened a couple years ago it's like wild man memory how memory is so yeah you had you had chaz you had them unload hundreds of rifle rounds into a white su killing two teenagers. And they're like, but interactions are cordial.

Dude, I want you to imagine the Civil War. Do you think that the dude who like worked at the shoe shop walked outside and went, oh, I'm going to go punch my next door neighbor because he's got different political views than me. That's just not what happens. Granted, granted in Syria, it's eventually what does happen in full-scale societal collapse. I think what the super chatter was intending to mean is that when you have a diplomatic conversation with someone, you can get through to them regardless of political affiliation. When it's one-on-one, not necessarily in crowds. Not true. I mean, not at rallies and stuff. That's a hard place to strike up a conversation.

But like here, for instance, on a show or something, you a lot of times can have really – that's why the United States has stood the test of time to this point is because we've been able to talk about wildly different political views. I don't know if I completely agree. I think it could be revolutionary in the sense that the left has taken control of law enforcement institutions and they're going to use them to stop the right from getting control back but why are those people not terrorists can you answer that for me which people the the when you just explained that they're throwing m80s into groups of people they're terrorists right yeah but they're not because their allies are in law enforcement there you go right and so donald trump was unwilling to use law enforcement to stop these people and they are unwilling to use law enforcement to stop

these people and they are willing to use law enforcement to stop trump they're they're they're uh there were official like uh documents that that declared antifa a terrorist organization i'm confident that that actually happened on a federal level um so federal on a federal level and he was considered i'm pretty sure the fbi i'm pretty sure they're still going after right wing well i mean they'll go after they'll go after them both they're they they don't mind anyone who challenges their authority i mean i'm personally emotionally i'm more of a right-leaning kind of guy um but like it you know, I don't like the government at all. And the government will go after left people that don't like the government.

They have no problem. There's a bill, House Resolution 272, calling for the designation of Antifa as a domestic terrorist organization. That's from 2021, 22 of October of 2021. I don't know if it's if it's passed. It was introduced in March of 21 introduced and just sitting there. The FBI and the FBI has has sufficient latitude to go after anyone that they want to consider a terrorist and the definitions are loose enough nowadays that they can pretty much just slap the the uh the moniker on anyone they want and you know the the media will repeat the story and then people will automatically believe oh well that guy's a terrorist because that's what the

government said the xbox gamer says tim how about that timcast clip featured at the end of a new trump 24 ad saw it in a benny johnson video earlier today i think the don wants to chat i have no idea to which you are referring does anybody know what he's talking about no i saw that benny johnson tweet what tweet uh four minute clip of donald trump talking but there was no ads that was on twitter on x i don't know if that's what he's referring to okay maybe not i don't know no idea how to find whatever it is you're talking about either way a benny johnson youtube video twitter video it was a twitter video all right let's uh puppy on a train says i live in ga there was a question here about mail-in ballots with duplicate signatures one of trump's requests was a

signature varication to remove double ballots governor kemp did a standard recount that's right that's right they did remove some double ballots atlanta journal constitution confirmed that but yep adam helm says ask phil if he will sing the oliver anthony song sometime that would be awesome the oliver oh the uh richmond north of richmond i'd have to learn it make a metal version, metal cover. It's screaming. Yeah. Yeah. A better future, says Tim.

It's Muse Uprising. Thank you for what you do for the culture war, sir. That's right. Uprising. Yep. They. Who is they, though? I'm still trying to find out.

Jesus. Yep. Yeah, I want to put it together. Just get a whole bunch of... So there's Gem They and there's Muse Uprising. What other songs are there where they talk about they? In Richmond, North of Richmond, he outright just says Richmond, North of Richmond are doing this thing.

He's telling you who they is. Who is they, though? People in D.C., politicians and political elites. Where are we at? Joshua Mosk says, with everything going on, we found out the government and the FBI suppressed the Hunter Biden story and a whole lot more. Joe Biden admits they had a fraud campaign going. Do you still think the election was not rigged? Rigged.

When did Joe Biden admit they had a fraud campaign going? When did he say that? What are they talking about? was not rigged rigged when did joe biden admit they had a fraud campaign going when did they say that what are they talking about uh i think they were referring to the clip when when joe biden said we put together the biggest yeah that he had like the biggest uh voter fraud operation going since like whatever great moment great moment and the full context was he was saying it was we were stopping it yeah yeah all right everybody if you haven't already smash that like button subscribe to this channel share the show with your friends it really does help by taking that url posting it everywhere and head over to timcast.com click become a click

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