Timcast IRL - Timcast IRL #852 Trump Pleads NOT GUILTY, Proud Boy Joe Biggs Gets 17 YEARS Over J6 w/Adam Coleman

Episode Date: September 1, 2023

Tim, Ian, Hannah Claire, & Kellen join Adam B. Coleman to discuss a member of the Proud Boys receiving a 17 year prison sentence for his role in January 6th, Trump pleading not guilty to Georgia charges, Tucker warning Trump is at risk of assassination, and Alabama charging women with conspiracy to have an abortion. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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BetMGM operates pursuant to an operating agreement with iGaming Ontario. Donald Trump has pleaded not guilty and waived his right to appear in court. That's the gist of that story. We'll see what the developments are moving forward. We'll talk a little bit about it. But the big news now is that Proud Boys are being sentenced and Joe Biggs just got sentenced to 17 years already on top of the two and a half years he's already been in prison. And the reason this is so shocking was a couple of reasons. One, far left extremists who burn down police stations get less time. They get direct support from

Democrats. They win direct support from Democrats. They win millions of dollars in lawsuits. But if you are a right winger like Joe Biggs and you tear down a fence, they got you. Now, there's tons of people posting photos from the occupations, the autonomous zones, far left extremists, firebombing federal buildings. And where are the criminal charges for any of these people? And the ones that have got caught, like the guy in Minneapolis burning on the police station, four years. Something doesn't make sense. Here's the other component of the story. The judge actually told

him, if you've got a problem with an election, then you can speak out, make phone calls, file lawsuits, contact election officials, but you can't get violent. That's funny. Donald Trump is being criminally charged. His lawyers are being criminally charged. Members of the Trump administration have been criminally charged for literally speaking out, filing lawsuits and contacting election officials. In fact, they've actually criminally charged the election officials over this. So the system may in fact be quite a bit broken. We'll talk about that plus a bunch of other political stories. It's getting interesting out there. We've got a Ron DeSantis super PAC shutting down another large super PAC ceasing door knocking operations. And this is,

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Who are you? I'm Adam Coleman. I'm the founder of Wrong Street Publishing, which is an outlet where we advocate for people to speak freely, submit articles, especially opinion articles. We just got into journalism as well. I'm also the author of the book behind me, Black Fictor and the Black Fictor,

which talks about race, but other important things like family is very important these days, especially. And I'm also the columnist for human events and a frequent contributor to the New York Post. Right on. Well, thanks for hanging out. It should be fun. Thank you.

Hannah Clare Bermelow is hanging out. Hey, I'm Hannah Clare. I'm a writer for TimCast.com. I'm happy to be back, and I'm excited for this conversation. Ian's here, too, of course. Hi, everyone. Ian Crossland.

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From the Daily Mail, former Proud Boys leader Joe Biggs sobs during sentencing as he's given 17 years in prison over January 6th after begging court not to separate him from his daughter and cancer-stricken mom. Biggs, Ethan Nordean, Zachary Rayl, and Enrique Tarrio were all found guilty of the charges after they broke into the Capitol following the 2020 election. Full stop. Fake news. Enrique Tarrio was actually not there. So, yeah, his charges, I don't believe anything to do with him. He was arrested beforehand and barred from the city. Tarrio was not there. So you got to you got to correct that one daily mail. The judge ruled Biggs was qualified for a terrorism sentencing enhancement. Biggs sentence is one of the harshest handed out in Capitol riot cases,

only behind the 18 year sentence for Oath Keepers founder Stuart Rhodes. Here's where it gets interesting. So this is Joe Biggs. Many of you may know him. He worked for InfoWars. He said, I know that I have to be punished. I understand. But he added, please give me the chance. I beg you to take my daughter to school and pick her up. I wanted to see what would happen. My curiosity got the best of me. I am not a terrorist. I'm one of the nicest people in the world. Judge Timothy Kelly wasn't having it. As he said, Americans are the envy of the world and U.S. elections must be respected, telling Biggs, you did play a role in riling up the crowd. If you don't like how an election is being conducted, you can speak out, call, write or meet with election officials. You could engage in peaceful protest, file a

lawsuit. That right there is why I think we absolutely have to talk about this story because that judge lied or he's really dumb. Maybe both. If you peacefully protest like the people who were walking around the other side of the building, they're going to arrest you anyway. If you, say, sit in front of an abortion clinic, they're going to try to give you 11 years in prison because you peacefully protested. How about this? If you speak it on Twitter, they'll claim it's part of a criminal conspiracy. If you make a phone call, part of a criminal conspiracy, write or meet with election officials. Not only are they charging Donald Trump, his staff and legal team for doing these things, they've even criminally charged the election officials that they met with. So this is

insanity. 17 years. Why? What did he do? He tore a fence down. Should he have done it? No. Should he have been punished or prosecuted or whatever? Yeah. Two and a half years may be a little harsh for tearing down a fence. You take a look at what happened with the far left extremists, BLM or otherwise, nothing. So this is particularly extreme. We have some commentary here. Matt Walsh says, a man just got 17 years in prison for tearing down a fence on January 6th. Meanwhile, a guy responsible for burning an entire police station to the ground during

the BLM riots got only four years. No sane person thinks this is justice, but we do not live in a sane world. It is an insane world. And of course, Marjorie Taylor Greene has come out saying proud boys organizer Joseph Bigg sentenced to 17 years by U.S. District Judge Timothy Kelly. How many violent BLM writers are serving 17 years, especially after rotting in jail for the past two years j6ers need to be pardoned they've been persecuted enough i have um you know this this is the kind of thing that gives me a sinking feeling because what i what i did following the story is i went to look at a few forums to see what the sentiment was among trump supporters and uh fans of joe biggs and uh yo it's getting scary out there because the response from these people is

terrifyingly, as I've predicted, the view that the government is illegitimate law enforcement doesn't exist. And the perception among those who support Donald Trump is increasingly becoming. And for many already is that these law enforcement officers are no different than a guy in a clown costume. That if a person walks up to you wearing a set of clothes, it doesn't mean anything. They're now saying that this is Soviet-style communist revolution. This is what was happening in the Spanish Civil War. And if this escalates, it likely will, because the far left will not stop. They're going insane.

I don't know if they're a zombie horde setting fire to everything around them, just screeching the top of their lungs, or it's intentional. But you want to know who's at fault for the continued strife in this country? It's not Joe Biggs. It's this judge. 17 years, that's going to freak people out and not the way they think. Now, here's what I want to add before we just jump into the full conversation. The reason why they gave him 17 years, it has nothing to do with who Joe Biggs is or what he did. It's because of the mob phenomenon. And they want everyone to know that they will throw the book at you and the hammer

if you engage in any kind of mob mentality phenomenon. That is to say, often what we see in these riots with far left, you have a mob of people walking around clueless. One guy will walk up to a door at a store and jiggle the handle and then run away. Another guy will run up within a split second as he's running away and grab the handle and pull the door open. Someone else will see the door being opened and they'll peek their head in. Someone behind him will shove him in. Then people see people going in the building and they all start rushing the building. There was no immediate action where an individual thought to themselves, we should storm this

building. And that's what happens with Joe Biggs. He's just there. He has no idea what's going on. Despite the fact that they say that there's communications by the Proud Boys. Yeah, they were saying like, what are we doing? What's going on? He's there.

People start taking action and he goes along with it. So they're basically setting an example. We don't care who you are. We don't care what you've done. If you are in the mob, you're going down. And that's why the people who did not get violent and had no idea what's happening on the other side of the building are being criminally charged the courts have literally told them because you were part of a mob you are going to prison i with joe biggs uh one of those tweets is the first tweet you pulled up said that he's getting so matt walsh 17 years for tearing

down a fence but kellen you mentioned before the show He was also screaming a barricade He was also yelling At people to go in and to do stuff No no I just said They were proud There's videos of him saying We just did it Yeah we were just in there

Like heck yeah They were happy They were taking selfies Inside the Capitol And things like that And the video in the court And the trial was Someone walking up to him

Being like We just got in the Capitol What do you think and he goes awesome okay so he's just celebrating i mean there's also video of zachary real who was also sentenced today he's getting 15 years and he was also convicted of seditious conspiracy during this three-month trial uh of him saying don't go into the capitol don't go in there and they're like irrelevant to us you have to go in because later you threw something at a police officer. I mean, there are things where I can agree. Like it was.

Don't throw stuff at cops. Don't throw stuff at cops. It's out of hand. On the other hand, both of these men have young children and you're locking them up to prove your political point. Yeah. And that's pretty sick. It's the metaphor, I think, is like if a bully attacks another kid in school, everyone's

like, oh, God, you want the bully to lose. So the kid somehow fights back and he beats the bully and he knocks the bully down then everyone's like yay but if the kid starts stomping on the bully's face and smashing his skull people will run over and grab the kid and pull him off this government has gone too far by hitting these guys with 17 years they're now smashing the skull of the guy that it's unnecessary a bit brutal but i agree extremely brutal what they're doing and it's going to cause massive anti it's going. A bit brutal, but extremely brutal what they're doing. And it's going to cause massive anti... It's going to cause sentiment that people are going to start to hate the victim now.

This is right. This is even the Krasensteins are like, we think this is a little bit harsh. Yeah. I'm like, wow. And Kelly is the second judge that has said something to the effect of like, because of you, we no longer have stable elections. And because it's this judge's fault i i hope everybody make like you understand that you know to to throw a point to ian who often talks about pardoning your enemies now i don't completely agree with pardoning the worst war

criminals of our generation but there is something to be said of the chinese finger trap problem in that the harder you pull the worse you make make it. And this is the judge being the judge may as well have looked into the camera for that for NBC News and CNN and said that his goal is to destroy this country because the sentiment among those who support Trump is that they are coming for you. They are coming for your families. They are they're using violence. They're like the sentiment is not, well, justice was served. It's done the exact opposite. This is radicalizing people because the sentence is psychotic. Right. I was thinking of the sentencing disparity that Matt Walsh brought up.

Could that be the difference between prosecution and a federal with a federal judge versus like the really relaxed uh persecution or prosecution that's happening for different states in different cities perhaps but that but to the moral question it doesn't really matter all that much right right obviously we know that the feds can be more harsh they tend to win all of their cases the ones they choose but it's just when you look at these on the surface of what they are obviously we can say bro if're going to get into a fight with feds, you're going to lose hands down. But 17 years for knocking down a barrier. It was,

it was one of those like little metal barriers. Yeah. So not good. You shouldn't do it. And I think you'd go to jail for it, but you'd think someone would get like six, seven months in jail for something like that. And I feel like I have to point out even that two months,

I have to point out that the Justice Department asked for 33 years in prison and they asked for 27 for Zachary Rios. I mean, this is basically sort of half of what they wanted. And it's still, in my opinion, way too much for what happened. Right. And the one thing I wanted to bring up is the,

you remember the case where the New York City lawyers during the 2020 protests, they were caught with the Molotov cocktails. They got pretty good sentencing from it. So they weren't given lenient sentencing. Not saying that this isn't harsh, but I think it's been, I think the feds are making an example quite clearly. And it's unjustified. And like you said, it's radicalizing people as well. So they're making an example while at the same time radicalizing people, which could possibly create the same circumstance that we ended up before. And I don't think they care much about that. They're thinking that step ahead.

But I think for us who are just analyzing things, that seems like a plausible thing that could happen. And God forbid, like one of these indictments go through with Trump that, to be honest, I'm not a lawyer, but just looking at the different indictments, they don't make much sense to me. I think that Biggs' lawyer should file an appeal on the grounds that the judge advocated for criminal activity that the judge attempted to incite the uh the defendant and his associates and those listening to commit crimes and incitement to commit a crime is a crime in and of itself so i believe this judge should be impeached he should be removed and criminally charged for the crime of advocating and inciting others to engage in

electance election interference and seditious conspiracy, because he outright said, if you don't like how the election is being conducted, speak out, call right or meet with election officials. Well, as we know, based on what happened in Georgia and the federal charges, that's illegal. So I think we're going to have to ask the Republicans to criminally charge this judge, this Trump appointee judge. I'm going to throw that one out there. I don't care who appointed him.

I think that's what when i went to cover opening statements that was what was interesting about sitting with the families was they were saying like kelly is a trump appointee he's been some like he's been more flexible about some things because a lot of them go into this dc courthouse being like i am in a hostile city where the jury is already biased against our case. And I have a Democrat appointed judge. They feel doomed from the beginning. And this only affirms this feeling from people who support these people saying, you know, the government is out to get us no matter what. I mean, 300 people are in jail because of January 6th. Over a thousand have been charged federally.

It just seems like I can't imagine being a business owner in a city where there were significant writing rioting during the summer of 2020 and thinking like, wow, I wish someone cared about what happened to me as much as D.C. cares about what happens to itself. I mean, they experienced so much. There was so much loss there. And yet all of the focus is on these people and one specific day. It seems it seems disproportionate to me this is not it is it is incredible naivety to think that a 17-year sentence will set an example for anybody the only example this judge has set is that there is a biased neo-lib neocon uniparty machine that will destroy your life unjustly if you speak out against them

in any way and of course that's not me defending what joe biggs did in tearing down a barricade and you know going into the capital or whatever he should not have done that i imagine riot charge would be a couple of months or something maybe followed by probation or whatever but when you look at the crimes committed by the far left it is fairly obvious they're they're being paid money when the far leftists rioted in dc and burned and set fire to buildings and garbage in the street and a limousine smashing windows the city paid them millions of dollars paid them after they got arrested when it's the right at the capitol i mean look and you've also had the left storm into the Senate and buildings and bang on the Supreme Court doors and go into the Capitol, all of that.

Not a peep, nobody cares. So all that they're doing is setting an example that you have oppressors willing to use force against you to take you from your children. And like, if you look at the forums, this is what people are saying, the radicalization is terrifying. And Joe Biden can do this. And then he's gonna say, we're not tough on crime, or we are tough on crime.

We're talking about San Francisco and New York. We locked all these guys up from J6. What they're going to say— We protect democracy. Right. They're going to say, we're battling domestic terrorism. Never mind what happens to the cities outside of D.C. Never mind the people who lost their businesses in 2020. We don't care about what happens to the cities outside of dc never mind the people who lost their businesses in in

2020 we don't care about what happens to them we care about what happens to us as the head of the government this has got to be like uh they're anticipating riots if they take trump off the ballot and they want to intimidate people into not riding or be like hey make an example of joe biggs don't even think about it 17 years if you even think about it kind of thing but like you got to understand the damage it's not people aren't machines they don't they don't respond a to b like a like a computer program and if you just you just can't test twist this man there's a reason that we have this this system built like it's built so that people in the center don't take control uh i'm sorry i'm going on about this let's jump to the

story from cnn the big news today was donald trump pleading not guilty in a georgia election election subversion case and seeking to sever his case from co-defendants who want a speedy trial that's it donald trump uh sent in a signed document saying that he was waiving his right to appear he would be pleading not guilty and And we currently await the next steps, which they're trying. Fannie Willis wants the trial to be March 4th, but that likely will not happen because what we're hearing,

they've got 12 million documents released in discovery. And there's absolutely no way a defense could prepare in that short amount of time. So it's creating an interesting predicament. But the big news outside of Trump's not guilty plea is the D.A. Fannie Willis lying to the court or it appears to the court in order to justify withholding evidence.

We have two tweets, one from Adam Classfeld saying, D.A. Willis wants to advise all the defendants in the Trump racketeering case that decisions by Ken Chaseborough and Sidney Powell to invoke speedy trial rights come with certain consequences. Mike Cernovich responded, this isn't even true. It's not how the law works, but this really is a mask off moment. Fulton County D.A. threatens to violate the rights of the defendants because she's not prepared for a trial. She actually said that if you request your constitutional right for a speedy trial, you can't argue they're entitled to discovery. They can't argue that they're entitled to notice

of the state's similar transaction evidence 10 days in advance. They are precluded from calling any witnesses whose statements were not provided to the state 10 days in advance. And the defendants can now complain, cannot now complain they have received less than seven days notice i'm seeing a ton of legal uh analysts saying like wow she's outright lying and if you actually look at the the cases she's citing for precedent none of them say what she's saying she's trying to pull a fast one yes because they're evil they're corrupt and at some point people need to realize this is not law this is not a judicial

system this is the exercise of political power and the question that's being posed by this judge in the proud boys case and by the da in georgia is can we get away with it that's the question and i wonder a lot of people said the supreme court will intervene i don't think the supreme court's going to intervene as it pertains to the proud boys no no i don't i and i they might intervene as it pertains to trump but we'll see but already we can see that democrats are willing to lie in court i mean it's not surprising we saw Kyle Rittenhouse. They fabricated evidence. That's the craziest thing to try and convict that kid. Here we are. I mean, I don't think they have much of anything. And the way that I was reading the

indictment was basically any time Donald Trump complained about something, that was part of the conspiracy. So they quite literally were listing all of his tweets, which he has a lot. And every single tweet is part of the greater conspiracy at hand. And to me, it makes me wonder, does the president have the right for freedom of speech? Does the president have the right to complain? Because we have all these different situations in the past where someone is contesting an election and we have a process in place. But that's what we did. He complained. They did a recount. They went through the process. So are you now penalizing him for complaining? Because that's what it sounds like. That's the case. Yeah. You go to prison for it now and a judge will then advocate others do the

same thing you did right so that's why the supreme court i think will step in because if it sets a precedent that you can't complain about an election that you disagree with and you can't bring claims about an election that you disagree with that would undermine the constitution the inherent aspect of the u.s constitution just allows us for a red of of our you know but i'm i keep hearing from people saying you know we've gotten super chats where they're like tim stop acting like the supreme court's not going to shut this down and i'm like just like they they responded to the texas v pennsylvania lawsuit when texas said that these other states are engaging in election practices in violation of the constitution thus subverting a process we're involved in the supreme court said no and it's the craziest thing ever because i feel like this i it was thomas and alito said we have to take this but the rest of

them were like nah we want you know what the reality is they're cowards and they just wanted the election to be over with you know i was talking to Will Chamberlain a long time ago about it, and he said, I think he said it on the show. The issue is that if they step into this lawsuit, it will expose them as having no enforcement power. And so the Supreme Court really has to do light things. When they issue rulings, it has to be done such a way that it can reasonably be accomplished. But if they try and do something more drastic like send back five or six states electoral vote counts to be re-litigated thus changing the results of the election then there's questions as to whether or not they can enforce any of these things when people resist their their their rulings yeah if they ruled on this trump case and they're like no this is not

constitutional he had a right to question the elections all the things he did was constitutionally legal and then the biden administration continues to go forward with it after supreme court declaration that would be just like tearing the threads of society apart and that's and that's what the supreme court's worried about that if they do issue a ruling and the democrats don't care and keep doing whatever they want look at this way if the supreme court intervenes and says this these charges against trump are unconstitutional they violate the supremacy clause blah blah blah blah and then the democrats say so what the supreme court no longer exists at that point and they probably want that it's like nine people

nine nine people in the supreme court right now nine people they have bodyguards do they yeah they have their own so it's like nine people with some protection against the entire federal government, the FTA, the CIA, the NSA, the FBI, and then against nine dudes sitting. And of course, some of them are women, but nine people sitting on the Supreme Court. They don't have power. It's nine old people or nine judges. I mean, but that's true of our whole system, right? You have as much power as you can. They have as much power as we consent to give them.

And that was the idea of having these three balances, these branches that bounce each other out. That's technically correct. They have as much power as police are willing to enforce against. So if the Supreme Court says something like you can no longer bar people from having guns. There's an interesting question. In New York, they ruled that uh they said precedent was set that women are allowed to be topless because it is a violation of the

civil rights act and constitutional rights for men to be allowed not to wear a shirt but women being forced to wear a shirt you still have cops arrest women regularly for going topless because those cops don't care what is legal they care about their morals and so there's apparently some like morbidly obese old woman who's in her 50s who intentionally goes around with just like massive old saggy boobs and the police will be like ma'am you need to put a shirt on and she'll go no i don't and they'll say then we're going to arrest you and she goes do it she immediately files a lawsuit and they'll say, then we're going to arrest you. And she goes, do it. She immediately files a lawsuit and they instantly settle every single time because it is illegal.

So why is it that these cops are willing to enforce something that's not a law or that's not legally enforceable, but they'll do it anyway. So the issue then becomes, the Supreme Court comes in and says, you have to release Trump. And they go, no. Supreme Court's going to bang the gavel again.

Well, we order you to release Trump. No, thank you. And then what's supposed to happen? like a rogue executive branch is like no we're not gonna then does is that when the fbi turns on the executive branch no there are the executive branch who guards the supreme court what's the the military structure that protects the supreme court from a crazy executive marshals i guess u.s marshals but i'm not sure that they're dedicated explicitly to just the Supreme Court. I'm not sure. There's a Supreme Court.

I think they're with the Supreme Court police. I might be getting their title wrong because I remember when after Roe v. Wade came out, one of the big challenges was the fact that people, you know, their homes, a lot of their homes had been doxxed. And so they were needing to sort of redouble the support that their security had. And I remember Congress specifically passing something to make sure that the protection was extended to their families because it had become so critical because these rioters just stayed outside their house. I mean, I guess they're not rioters. They're just protesters.

Yeah, the marshals are the enforcement arm of the U.S. federal courts. That's cool. Vivek wants to move a lot of the FBI over to the U.S. federal courts. That's cool. Vivek wants to move a lot of the FBI over to the U.S. Marshals. It sounds almost innocuous, but that's a big difference, serving the executive branch or serving the judicial branch. I didn't used to think it was a big difference. I thought it was all serving the American government. And I would like it to maintain that and continue to be that. I agree. And I think that makes sense as far as what Chairman Lund was saying. That's why it has to be light things. it can't be something grand

because who's going to enforce it you know so you're talking about protecting but protecting themselves but how do you enforce something like that that when you're talking about actually possibly imprisoning someone uh you know for something that great you know i don't think they have much teeth they don't have any real way of enforcing it so they like you said kind of cowards and i i from it i think that you combine what's going on with trump and the j6ers and uh and like joe biggs and they are perhaps intentionally creating a recipe for disaster they they want an explosion i i wonder if the mentality of these people is that either we win or everyone loses but why i don't know uh there's a really funny quote from michael

malice pizzagate aged better than russiagate i'm not saying that's true i'm saying these people fear criminal prosecution for a variety of crimes like Joe Biden engaging in the Burisma scandal. The things they accused Trump of turned out to be lies. In fact, Ukraine gate was the best because it turned out that Trump was actually the good guy trying to weed out the corruption. And then they go and protect Joe Biden instead. So there are criminals actively using law enforcement against the just American people who are trying to put a stop to their corruption. And it's unsurprising. People who want to play by the rules are being beaten down by those who are cheating. It's the exact same scenario when you end up with a criminal with a gun breaking into a liquor store and killing the clerk who doesn't have a gun.

The law says you can't have a gun. So the criminals don't care and do whatever they want. And the innocent civilians aren't aren't allowed to protect themselves and get victimized because of it. And now you have in the political system, Republicans being like, well, we've got to go slow and play by the rules. And Democrats are like, let's just cheat, do whatever we want, lock them all up. And then if we lose, well, we just burn it all to the ground. But I think this is this is a much bigger thing talking about how big the federal government has become. And when you talked about the establishment, you know, the only time that the mainstream

media ever said that Trump was presidential was when he bombed Syria. Yeah. They were very happy about that. They were very happy about that. I think back to Obama, one of the reasons why people were disappointed by obama because obama gave all these lofty goals like these really big things that he was going to do for the american people and what did he do he went in and played ball and did like what everybody else does and guess what they loved him for it but as soon as you start to reject those things you start to not play ball you start to reject the establishment. You start to reject war. You start to mess up with other industries, calling out corruption. Nobody likes that. And I think

this is the counter effect to it. So while some people think it's the, I don't like his mean tweets, really it's about him challenging the status quo. While I don't think he's perfect but there is there's a certain element that pisses pisses people off uh within the federal government uh that he's doing and i think this is part of the punishment for doing so you guys are playing civilization it's a game of great game tim you know it and it's as if the u.s military industrial complex funnily enough was going for a military victory they're attempting to conquer and control Earth with police state. They have military bases all over. They want order through military force.

Then Trump comes in. He's like, no, I want to change our victory condition. Let's do something cultural or something. I don't even know what his victory condition was, but it wasn't military. It was space victory. Space. Space. He wanted a technology victory.

But they're like, dude, we have all these troops. We are paying for them. We cannot stop. Just stop. We can't disband our entire fort we've spent decades building this army it's in position and trump's like i'm not doing it and dude we cannot have this guy run the country because he's screwing up our military victory i don't i don't think it's i mean that's that's one way to put it but the reality is trump's right now trump is saying one yes bring our troops home secure our borders bring back manufacturing and you have people who have built their whole lives around the liberal economic order

that is maintain world police it's not that you know they want a military victory but i get your point it's more so that trump is saying how do we make america better how do we improve the lives of our citizens whereas these people are like how do we control the world citizens be damned yeah and there that's why i feel like when you asked earlier why would they why would they do this i think it's because well there's probably different people would do it for different reasons some people probably because he's called rosie o'donnell a fat pig and they're like i i will do anything to not have that in my life you know these really but some people are afraid like he's going to screw up the victory condition. Well, let's go to the dark side from this, from TimCast.com.

Tucker Carlson says, America is speeding toward assassination of Donald Trump. That's a scary prospect. He said they protested him. They called him names. He won anyway. They impeached him twice on ridiculous pretenses. They fabricated a lot about what happened on January 6th in order to impeach him again. It didn't work.

He came back. Then they indicted him. It didn't work. He became more popular. Then they indicted him three more times. And every single time his popularity rose. So if you begin with criticism, then you go to a protest, then you go to impeachment, then you go to indictment.

None of them work. What's next? I mean, you know, graph it out, man. We're speeding toward assassination, obviously. And no one will say that, but I don't know how you can't reach that conclusion.

You know what I mean? Like they have decided, permanent Washington, both parties have decided that there's something about Trump that's so threatening to them they just can't have him.

He later commented, I don't know where it's going, but there's a collusion that's clearly imminent. I've never been this worried about anything as I am about where this is going. If people don't know where it's going, but there's a collusion that's clearly imminent. I've never been this worried about anything as I am about where this is going. If people don't get serious about their comfort zones, I think they're going to demonize him, indict him, indict him, indict him, indict him. And I think they'll blow his airplane up, Jones says, Alex Jones.

I really at a gut level believe they're going to kill Trump. There was a story in, I think it was was 2015 a guy tried grabbing a gun from a cop at a trump rally there's already been threats made against donald trump and i guess we can only hope and pray it doesn't come to that but tucker makes a really interesting point now i will counter he's not gotten pop more popular every time they've indicted him because i i i tracked the favorability and popularity of trump it is stable stable is is potentially as bad or worse stable means that there are people who don't care what the government does or says they will never abandon trump that's it it also says there are people

that no matter what will never support trump. Right. If Trump got more or less popular because the indictments, that would mean something. Becoming less popular means there are people who supported him, but now are backing away. If he becomes more popular, it means that people who didn't support him are starting to support him. No, it hasn't changed because it's locked in right now. The left and the right, whatever you want to call it the political factions are stable and that means all the things they're doing are just radicalizing people and and making the flames bigger and more dangerous which i kind of assume is what they want right i don't know i mean it's man there's a lot of scenarios in my mind but if tucker is correct i don't see how this country survives another year two years

year and a half i don't i don't think tucker's correct i forget who we had on the show but he said you can't in 2023 you can't do what you did in the 60s right you can't give somebody the kennedy treatment i think they've already done it to trump and we've seen it it's the indictments it's the mainstream media with all the pieces throughout his presidency it's all of that that they've already taken him down or at least attempted to i don't think so i don't think trump is predicted to win right now if you if so cnn reported this not my opinion calm down crack pots cnn said right now based on all the data they got it's looking really good for trump now you take into consideration that the student loan debt about to kick back on

in the next couple of weeks think about this so I was talking to my girlfriend about this earlier. I said, you know, I was passively talking about it. And then she was like, wait, everyone's got to pay back their student loans again, starting in a couple of weeks. And I'm like, yeah, something like that. And then she was like, they're not going to have the money. And I'm like, right, exactly. And then I said, and the question then becomes, how do they pay for their student loans? If right now we got all these videos of young people saying, I can't afford my bills. How are they going to pay back their student loans if student loan repayment restarts? They're not. And then I'm like, so it's kind of like 2008. They gave out loans to people who didn't have credit and couldn't afford it. And then my girlfriend was like, well, they got their parents to co-sign. She's like, a lot of these people got their parents to co-sign. And I was like, interesting. Then when these 27, 28 year olds don't pay back their loans and then the lenders say, your mom or dad is a co-signer and goes to them and says, you got to pay. And they go, we can't afford to pay.

And they go, then we take your house. And we're seeing TikToks of people that age crying, saying, I did what I was supposed to do. I got the degree. I work hard. I don't party. I did everything I was supposed to do. And I can't afford food.

And I guarantee if it becomes between student loans and putting food on your table, you're not going to pay the student loans. So you're going to let them default. But then what are you going to do when you're like, sorry, mom and dad, I'm going to, you're going to lose your house. You're going to have to pay the consequences loans so you're gonna let them default but then what are you gonna do when you're like sorry mom and dad exactly i'm gonna you're gonna lose your house you're gonna have to pay the consequences of my actions i mean that is the result of the student loan thing but i think it's going to make a very divided and bitter society a bailout also the only the only circumstance that seems to make sense would be a government bailout of the student loan system and that is going to be a disaster because that's another trillion plus instantly pumped into the economy by way of

forgiveness which will cause massive inflation or has already contributed to it but oh boy if you thought rich men north of richmond was bad wait till you go to the likes of oliver anthony and say oh here's the best part the highest income earners in the country who have nothing but disdain for you and told you told you to go learn to code just got a fifty thousand dollar freebie from the government yeah and if that happened that would mean put another trillion in would mean that your dollar is worth like 96 cents right after that happens all those people that already paid their loans back that have their money devalued are gonna go i mean maybe not all of them but it's not a lot of them get angry at people that are taking tits off the gut taking the government's tit. To go back to the initial story, Tucker is saying, where does it go next?

People need to consider that none of this stuff is happening in a vacuum. And when it came to the lockdowns and the George Floyd riots, I actually think the lockdowns were the cause of the riots, not George Floyd. We had seen protests before. I do not believe the George Floyd video is the reason why we had such massive and widespread writing i think the writing was likely people were fed up they were locked in their homes they were angry they had no income their purpose was stripped they were becoming unhinged and depressed and then they were given some you know a spark for the tinder a lot of people will probably say it was george floyd whatever the media definitely said it was george floyd but i think we talked about it at the time

that this pent-up rage from being locked up so you take a look at what's going on with donald trump as president you take a look what's what's happening now with student loan repayment about to kick in the economy may fall off a cliff in the next couple of months we got the guy from shark tank saying it you got michael burry of big short fame who shorted the housing market making a 1.6 billion dollar bet against the s&p 500 and nasdaq i think both it might just be s&p and we don't know if he's if he's uh actually cashed out yet or where he's at but he made a very very very big bet against the economy and the student loan repayment seems to make the most sense. People who don't have jobs, who can't afford to pay their bills, being told the bill comes due, they're not going to pay it.

If you go up to a 27-year-old and say, you can pay your rent, you can buy your gas, or you can buy food, or you can pay your student loans, they're going to say, okay, well, if I don't have food, I die. If I don't have gas, I can't go to work and can't make money. And if I don't pay rent, I'm homeless. Sorry, student loans ain't getting paid. For anybody that has student loans that isn't able to afford them right now, you can do two things. You can put them on a forbearance, or you can put them on a deferment, depending on your income level. So look into that. You can set them off for years and not have to pay them. But isn't most of the student loan debt basically owed to the government? Yes. Over 90, I think it's like 90, at minimum 94%. The majority of it is owned by the government. So the government gave you bad loans and then is saying you have to pay them.

Actually, we might just bail ourselves out. We don't know what we're going to do. I mean, it's a terrible system. And we're still issuing student loans. Sorry, I didn't want to cut you off. No, no, no. It's a point of irritation with me because it just seems like a terrible business model. Yet the U.S. government's like, no, it's fine. Keep getting student loans. Go to college. That's the answer. Even though we have evidence,

it's so clear the system is broken and potentially could destroy generations of family that have worked really hard to create financial stability. Yeah, I completely agree. And speaking from a perspective of a father, my son is 17. He'll be 18 in October. And I've written articles about this and talked about it on TV. Raising a son and someone who's looking like me the older he gets, and I'm thinking about his prosperity. The only thing I've ever been worried about with my son is, what is he going to do as far as college?

That's the only thing. I wasn't worried about puberty. I wasn't worried about any of that stuff, worried about him being rebellious. Never worried about that. The only thing I've ever been worried about, probably since the age of 12, is like, oh my God, my son's about to be a teenager and he's going to start thinking about what he's going to do after school. And I think about how unfair of a message it is to spread to kids that the only way for you to find success is to sign on a dotted line. You have no credit history, right? You have no income, you have no job prospects, but you have to sign on a dotted line and have hope that whatever you're intending to pursue is going to work out. And obviously, that's not what happens. And every year, some kid is competing against you, and so on and so forth. And they're unprepared. And then you send them out into the world. So they work at Starbucks making minimum

wage and tell them they have to pay back $80,000. Meanwhile, their parents told them, well, that's what we did. Yes, but you're not in their situation. You're not dealing with a gouging student loan market. You're not dealing with universities who can charge whatever they want because the federal government will pay it anyways, right? They're not dealing with these things. And parents, as a parent, I'm saying, other parents have given their children bad information and they're not

being aware of what is actually going on they're just telling them to follow my footsteps well they're following their footsteps into financial hell basically yeah it's like the area that they walked through is now flooded and they tell their kid to walk back through it that's not a good tactic it's like when parents say well why don't you just go work at McDonald's? That's how I've paid my way through college. Yeah. You can't do that these days. So how did you inspire your son? What's his next move? What advice did you give him? I told him the truth. I told him that college is incredibly expensive and you need to weigh all options. There was a period of time that he wanted to uh artistry and he wanted to go over to japan i i've told him go to other countries japan's good yeah now he's changed that idea and he's still thinking about

it but i'm not one of those parents like you have to do something as soon as you turn 18 he wants to go bounce around europe next year but he's working he's been working this entire time we started doing homeschooling but i'm having him think for himself rather than force a narrative onto him that the only way to find success in this world is through college. And for me, as someone who worked in IT, I did the same job as everybody else who got their computer science degree. I went to an 11-month program for a tech school. Instead of four years of bachelor's and crazy amounts of tuition. Yeah. My student loans are paid off. So, you know, there are alternatives.

And I think parents just have to be aware that what you went through is not what these kids are going through. They're set up for failure going that route. They're set up for a lifetime of financial hurt. And radicalization. And radicalization. And one other thing I just want to add, we're talking about the economy dipping. Interest rates for housing. You know, my wife and I are looking to buy a house next year.

We're looking at the interest rate. What's the situation that we're going to be facing? So now the kids have, I don't know how much money in debt. The interest rates are going up. So even if some kid is able to find a decent job, they can't afford to purchase a home. Rent's gone up. One of the reasons we're looking to buy a decent job, they can't afford to purchase a home. Rent's gone up. One of the reasons we're looking to buy a house is because we renewed our lease. $300 increase.

Now, thankfully, we make decent income together, but we're a married couple. What about these kids? Right. So I just I foresee I foresee the Europe is like a European style setup that's happening in America because all the European adults that I know, most of them live with other people, live with other adults. They all have roommates. That's where we're going. Yeah. I want to jump to this story from timcast.com. Alabama attorney general says the state can prosecute people who facilitate out of state abortions. Alabama will not permit abortionists

to defy our laws and enrich themselves by marketing hopelessness to women. What did I say? What did I say a few months ago? What did I say when Roe v. Wade was overturned? My concern is that you will end up in a situation where a state that bans abortion says or encounters a conflict with its citizens, its residents, and a state that has limitless abortion. This is a component of that escalation. We've talked about even recently Colorado and Oklahoma, where in Oklahoma, it's completely banned. In Colorado, it's completely unrestricted. What happens when there's a couple, they're together, they get pregnant, as it were,

and then after six months, the woman says, I'm just really unhappy, and maybe justified, maybe not. Maybe she's a good person, maybe she's cheating, and she wants to leave. So she goes, I cannot leave my husband unless I get rid of this baby. So at, let's say, seven or eight months, she flees in the middle of the night to Colorado. The man then says the baby can survive and she's going to kill it. And he reports her to law enforcement. Would Oklahoma take action now? Apparently as of now, no, but this is what Alabama has effectively begun the process of. And not even in the scenario I described in the scenario where you have like a guy saying, please, officer, law enforcement, the baby's eight months, you know, gestated and can survive outside of the womb. Do not let her

kill it. I will raise it on my own. She can leave. I don't care. And she says, no, I don't care. I'm gone. I'm going to go do it. There's a conflict in Alabama. They're just saying outright and they can do it. Here's the story. Alabama has the power to prosecute people who help women leave the state to get an abortion, according to a new filing from the attorney general, Stephen Marshall. Marshall has challenged a lawsuit filed by two pro-abortion groups, the ACLU and the Yellowhammer Fund, against the state. The AG has asked the United States District Court for the Middle District of Alabama to dismiss the lawsuit. In his motion to dismiss, Marshall pointed out the plaintiffs are not challenging the constitutionality of the state's broad ban on abortions. Instead, they argue that because some other states allow such abortion, plaintiffs have

a right to conspire with others in Alabama to try and have abortions performed out of state. Plaintiffs are mistaken. Prosecuting someone for forming a conspiracy in Alabama is not an extraterritorial application of Alabama law simply because the planned conduct is to occur beyond state lines. Plaintiffs assert that there is some difference because the object of their conspiracy is legal where it might occur, but they don't explain why that makes any constitutional difference. And it doesn't. The conspiracy is what is what is being punished, even if the conduct never occurs. That conduct is Alabama based and within Alabama's power to prohibit.

Now, to take that interpretation of the law and apply it to the story, the scenario I was just proposing. A woman in the middle of the night decides she's going to leave her husband and travel to another state to get an abortion so that she can so she can leave him the state then says premeditated murder not the act itself we're getting you for what you planned in our state and we have evidence that you packed up prepared and sought to leave to go get aid in the killing of a human life and did she talk to anyone before did she in any way get advice from get get funding from, Planned Parenthood, for instance. What happens then in Alabama? Let's go to Alabama right now. The question I ask you, under this ruling, a woman goes to a Planned Parenthood or an

underground clinic, but Planned Parenthood is probably the better example. And they say, you know, I want to get an abortion. We can't do it in state, but don't worry. Here's the information you need to cross the borders. What happens then when the AG gets a bunch of state troopers and they surround a Planned Parenthood and say, you are all under arrest for criminal conspiracy to commit abortion? this is exactly what i was worried about when i said with roe v wade the next grain of sand in the heap is going to be law enforcement saying we've banned abortion doesn't mean you can just go do it somewhere else it's illegal and then what happens when a person is a fugitive from the law getting an abortion in you know let's say let's say oklahoma colorado is the best example oklahoma petitions as everyone's talked about with Trump and the marshals and how it would

go down. Oklahoma petitions, the federal government says a fugitive from law is currently in Colorado. What happens when Colorado says we're a sanctuary for abortion and we will not allow you to enforce this warrant? You got the makings of federal and interstate conflict. Yeah, it is kind of hard to understand what will happen. And I really don't know. Alabama's an interesting study for a couple reasons. Their abortion ban won't, that says women who obtain abortions are not civilly or criminally liable. So they couldn't go after the woman herself for going out of state. But they could go after, like, the Yellowhammer Fund would pay for her travel, let's say, or put her up on hotel. So they could go after anyone who's involved with that organization.

The other thing about Alabama to note is that they have the human life protection act which passed in 2019 which is also interesting because i remember pre-ro we were all talking about this was sort of something a lot of states were preparing for they were updating their their abortion related laws uh and with the human life protection act act it uh defines the fetus as a person legally and so so- In Alabama? In Alabama. Wow. So again, they were taking steps to define all of these things that we debate

and that are debated nationally all the time because they have a strong position on it and what they want to do. And like I said, I think it's hard to tell what would happen. Every state has different laws. So with Alabama, they wouldn't go after the woman. They would go after her friend

who drives her out of state maybe or or the the uh the whoever pays for her hotel or something like that what if she calls an uber and gets an uber across state lines do they arrest the uber driver for a conspiracy even if they didn't know what was going on i mean i think it would be hard to if like that did happen the arrest of the uber driver and this is i'm not a lawyer just play play one on this podcast, apparently. But if the Uber driver took someone out of state and then had to go to court and was like, I had no idea. I've never met this person. I work for it would be very hard to then have a conviction, in my opinion.

Yeah. How could you ever prove conspiracy unless you have a recorded conversation? Right. But if it's a couple and, you know, they get pregnant accidentally and they go out of uh out of state could if the woman can't be uh criminally or similarly similarly challenged could her boyfriend who drove around but why why can't she be why can't the pregnant woman herself be criminally charged that's just alabama law and a lot of states have something like that that that a judge will probably strike that down in two seconds i mean the law is in effect but maybe if it were to go to trial be tested it it if this gets tested you can't have a scenario where a woman is sitting, a pregnant woman

sits down next to her not pregnant friend and the pregnant woman says, I want to abort this baby. And the friend says, I can give you information on a clinic. And then they go, ah, but only the woman who said she knew where the clinic was goes to jail. What? The initiator of the criminal conspiracy is the pregnant woman herself. Now, I'm not saying women should be imprisoned for seeking abortions. Not at all. I'm actually

the more old school Democrat pro-choice position. I'm just saying these two laws can't legally exist because you're going to end up with someone challenging the constitutionality of the criminal conspiracy saying, for what reason does this one criminal act have an exception where the person who initiates the conspiracy is exempt from the law? And the judge is going to say, you can't do that. Either the law applies to everybody or nobody. And if the law itself is conspiracy and not abortion, then the pregnant woman must be charged with conspiracy along with her friend. But the part that confuses me is that you're saying that Alabama says that the fetus is a human being. So wouldn't it be conspiracy

to murder? Right. It's a great question. I mean, I'm just trying to think of like, what's the actual charge? Personally, I don't think that there's enough here. I don't think there would be enough here to prove the the conspiracy angle um and on top of that is there much enforcement for it like you can create as many laws as you want is there going to be much enforcement what does enforcement look like right yeah i hate this idea of arresting charging someone for something they did outside of the jurisdiction where it was illegal like weeds illegal in a state so you go to a state where it's legal get high you come back and they're like you're you're a fugitive you just broke the law no i didn't to clarify the ag is literally saying you are right and that the crime that's being punished is the

conspiracy to commit an act the conspiracy to go smoke pot could you imagine if they try and bust you on a conspiracy to go to a state where something's illegal to do it that happens all the time that is absolutely normal has been around for hundreds of years if you are in a state and you come together with buddies and plot a crime in another state regardless yeah they're going if it's not a crime in the other state you're plotting to go to another state to gamble for instance i'm going to vegas to gamble is that conspiracy now because it's illegal here that's why the the uh attorney general statement of like, it's an Alabama law and it's illegal here. And so that's what matters is what I just I don't think that a state can can decide what I can do in another state. That's insane. It's interesting for sure.

I mean, the idea of what it makes me think of is like how powerful all the states and how important is state residency, right? Like if you claim residency in that state state are you supposed to obey those laws more than anything else even when you're in other states it's hard to say i will say the i uh it would be interesting to contrast this law to uh the idaho abortion trafficking law so idaho bores washington washington is uh basically very pro-abortion they've got all kinds of times you can get you can undergo an abortion. But Idaho is much more restrictive. And so they had this abortion trafficking law saying like, if I'm remembering the language correctly, it's specific to minors. So if a minor got pregnant and approached Planned Parenthood or approached, you know, a friend's mom and said, can you please take me to Washington or wherever? Washington is just a key example, to get an abortion, that adult could be brought up on

criminal charges because they are, if they don't tell the minor's parents. So if they traffic a kid out, a pregnant teenager out of the state to get an abortion and bring them back, that's against an Idaho law. And the governor of Washington was really adamant that this was a terrible idea and asked them to take it down. Ian, you make a really, really good point about the absurdity of a system based on pure logic that would say, if it's illegal here, you cannot plan to do it. And that's interesting because you mentioned gambling. Texas, for instance, I just did a quick cursory search. Largely illegal to gamble in Texas.

It is a crime to place wagers on sporting events and, you know, card games. They have card houses for the most part where you're allowed to do it. So it's questionable as to what they determine to be gambling. And I guess the issue with poker in Texas is that it's considered a skill game. So it doesn't fall in the same category. But the biggest casino, I think, in the country is on the border just north of Texas in Oklahoma. And that's where everyone drives to to go. Clearly, you have to talk with your friends and make a plan to go drive up to the world's biggest the country's biggest casino i think maybe in one of

the world's biggest casinos and then i think it's like a mile wide or something and then uh commit crimes but what that really tells us is our legal system is based on culture and morality and not the written letter of the law like i said a million and one times it's illegal for women to skydive on sunday in florida google it it's true they don't arrest anyone for doing it right there's a ton of laws in the books like you can't put an apple pie on the windowsill on tuesday because it mattered back then but doesn't matter now what the question where that's being asked right now is as our culture breaks down and law becomes the pure exercise of power all that matters and i guess

this is actually a a more black-pilled prescription or or um perception perspective uh when you're looking at the joe biggs case and they're saying we're going to give him 17 years because he's a terrorist it's like were the terrorist laws written to prevent a guy from knocking down a four-foot steel barricade? I don't think so. I think they were written because we're concerned about people blowing stuff up. But now it's being applied in a way that they've decided they can. Morality be damned.

You have the question of skydiving in Florida. No one's going to enforce that because nobody left or right would agree with the enforcement of it. No one in Texas agrees that you should criminally prosecute someone for conspiracy because they went to go gamble 45 minutes away in Oklahoma. But you're right. They did conspire to commit a crime in the future. And it doesn't matter where they do it. So now the question is, when it comes to abortion, what will we see in terms of the morality? You are going to have AGs who are pro-life. You hear Seamus on the show when he says abortion should be banned nationwide. In the moral view of a pro-life AG, abortion must be stopped. In a state like Alabama where they've banned it, they're going to use the law to whatever novel claim they can to enforce a ban on abortion it sounds like uh the beginning of a pre attempted pre-crime

where they're going to get you and arrest you before you do the crime just by thinking about it kind of thing i don't like it but conspiracy is a component of a criminal action but but i think that the issue here is you're right but it shows that that laws are only enforced based on what our society deems to be morally acceptable or unacceptable. No one would stand for a couple of drinking buddies being like, we got to go up to Oklahoma on Sunday and hit the blackjack tables and the cops bust in the door like you're busted for conspiracy to gamble. Show me your ID. And no one would have thought this be this possible either.

But the issue of abortion is so morally polarized that Oklahoma, Colorado, it's banned there. What happens if you get an AG? Maybe they won't do it now, but let's give it a few years. A new AG comes in and he's thinking, I want to win political points because I want to run for the governor's office. I want to run for the Senate. The only way I do it is if I cater to the wants and desires of the people of my state. Polls come out saying 67, 80% of Oklahomans want abortion

banned and people who get abortions to be criminally charged. He's going to go, okay, if I am the AG of ending abortion, I'm going to win the governor's race in four years. So what does he do? Conspiracy to commit abortion, conspiracy to facilitate abortion, sends police to the border. What I think we're seeing with the polarization of politics in this country is Democrats aren't going to stop because their base demands it. They want to get elected. They'll do whatever they have to. Republicans don't want to stop because they want to get reelected and they'll do what their base says. Both sides are demanding more and more dissociative outcomes or dissociated outcomes. The right says no abortion. The left has unlimited

abortion. And now their states have to escalate that policy and procedure, which means in states with unrestricted abortion, they need to add more to it. Now they're going to have to. You got Gavin Newsom. I think it's Newsom right here in the article saying we will not cooperate with any state that attempts to prosecute women or doctors for receiving or providing reproductive care. Now we're seeing the escalation. Not only will these states allow unlimited and unrestricted abortion, meaning a baby at nine months, they're also saying they will defy federal law enforcement from trying to stop a woman from traveling to their state to get an abortion in defiance of their own state's laws. The right will then have to escalate in kind like this. Alabama AG is outright saying we will arrest you for conspiracy before you get the

chance. There is going to be an escalation. Gavin Newsom will then say we will use the powers of our government to protect you if they try to persecute you. And then Alabama will say if the feds won't do it, we will send our law enforcement or hire private contractors to go and retrieve the criminal fugitive. That's where you lose me. I don't know how states will have the, excuse me, have the resources to do this. If we're truly seeing women start to flee the state for abortions, I don't think any state has the manpower.

It's called G4S. What is that? Security, private security company. It's called Securitas. you've got pmcs if it really comes to the point basically mercenaries mercenaries are you kidding mercenaries hunt down women that's insane well look at look at where we're at right now states are either banning it outright and threatening to criminally prosecute those involved like al is, or they're doing the inverse, saying that there is no restriction at all on when an abortion can take place, and they will defy the federal government from intervening in a warrant.

It is so wild that the states are so different like that. What do you think? What's your... Well, I was actually thinking that, I don't know if this is even something that could work, there could be something where we start seeing temporary residencies for women who are getting abortions, right? Because when I got an abortion, I wasn't a resident of Alabama. I was a resident of a neighboring state. And I think that could be the way that they kind of subvert that conspiracy charge. So these women or anybody who tries to help them because they became a resident and then a month later they had the abortion. So you can't say we conspired in this other state. So I think that could be something. And if states like California are like the polar opposite, well, if they're going to do that, we're going to do this.

Then that could be something that you see someone like gavin newsom saying well you know what if they're saying they can't have abortions we're going to not only we're going to say they can do it here but we're going to put them in housing here too so they don't get those charges they're just it's going to keep escalating i don't know about making it like some sort of police force or anything like that or going private security i think the the next step would be finding legal ways where they can get away with it and i think temporary housing would be one of those things they can claim residency for a period of time while they have an abortion and then they can move but but it's all it's it's all a great super chat someone quoting steve d saying it's a we're not a nation of laws we're a nation of political will from jason um yeah hutchinson and so it doesn't matter what anyone does it doesn't matter what

legal loophole someone tries to create it just matters that an agent of the state says i don't care what you call it right you got one judge telling the proud boys you should have called an election official or wrote to them you got another another da saying because you wrote to election officials and asked them to help you, you're going to jail. We're going to criminally charge you. Yeah. So it's just it's an issue of willpower. I want to jump back to student loans, though. The story we were looking at is from CNN. Student loan interest resumes Friday and payments restart in October. Here's what borrowers should know. For the first time in more than three years, federal student loan borrows.

Borrowers will be required to pay their monthly student loan bills starting in October. The pandemic-related pause, which went into effect March 2020, provided relief to nearly 44 million borrowers by freezing their accounts. Interest will start accruing again on September 1st, after rates were effectively set to zero. Since March 2020, we know that now interest rates, which are fixed and vary by loan will return to the same rate they were before the freeze but borrowers still won't need to take any action until their first monthly payment is due which means if you don't take action you will be accruing interest on your debt and then have to pay more money and for most as an aside the

difference between a forbearance and a deferment is that a forbearance means you don't have to pay but you're still accruing interest whereas a defer deferment you don't pay, but you don't accrue interest. And those are ideal, you know, if you're going to put them off. For most borrowers, the first payment will be due sometime in October, but not everyone has the same date, the exact same date. Borrowers can expect to receive their bill listing their payment around the due date at least 21 days beforehand. So will my payments be the same? They generally will be. How do I find out? Blah, blah, blah. My payments were automatic before. These questions aren't really as relevant.

What happens if I don't pay my student loan bill? Because interest will start accruing on September 1st, not making a payment will result in a borrower owing more on their student loans over time. But for the next year, through September 30, 2024, the government is providing what it's calling an on-ramp period during which borrowers are shielded from other normal consequences of missing a payment. A loan servicer won't, for example,

report the loan as being in default to the national credit rating agencies. Borrowers don't need to apply for this benefit. This is one of the funnier elements of this.

It means that as the economy starts crumbling and debt spirals out of control, you won't be able to know about it because they're not going to report the delinquencies that means when that on-ramp period ends you're going to see delinquencies from like three percent to like 43 percent overnight i wonder if we get to a point just like we were just talking about with laws

where people like i don't i don't respect that law people are just like i don't respect my debt i think there are a lot of people who say stuff like that they're like why this is like i'm never going to be able to play this off i'm not going to deal with it like there's nothing i can do i mean ultimately theoretically with consequences but this is why the argument of like joe biden campaigned on i am going to forgive student loans that was him saying essentially i'm going to bail you guys out. And that's what people, why people feel attached to him, I think, and why it's potentially the biggest flaw in his campaign because there are people who need

or are counting on the fact that they will not have to pay these loans because they see it as an impossible financial hurdle. I was going to say, the biggest problem for me is that there's no, there's nothing stopping it from happening again if they

were to bail everybody out right because unless they stopped issuing government-backed student loans which they won't do they still haven't done it sorry well even on top of that they're not doing anything as far as the universities what's their culpability to it like why why does the same school that that taught your parents how come it costs 10 times more? No one addresses that. But they can just charge whatever they want and the government just packs it up. How come the government doesn't have stipulations? Right?

Why can't you default on student loans? Right. Why can't we do? Well, then, yeah. You used to be able to. I think George Bush Jr. made it illegal to bankrupt your student loans, 2003 or something. Right. And I'm willing to bet, and I could be wrong, it's because the federal government stepped up even more with student loans. So they said, if we're going to step up even more and invest in

the American public, we can't have them all defaulting because that would default the government. Well, here we are. Rather than just be like, maybe this isn't a great system. Maybe we should consider not issuing these. Maybe we shouldn't be so obsessed with college being the one path to anywhere in America. I'm sorry. I get that banks are for profit. So they want to charge you interest to make money, which is disgusting. But that's the system.

But that the government is doing this for profit, that they're going to loan me money and then expect interest back. Like they loaned me 20 grand. I don't want to pay them back more than 20 grand. I already paid 13 000 in interest but it's not so much about a profit it's about how the modern monetary system works and with the creation of the money supply what they want you to do is pay back a grant don't get me wrong like a lot of these interest rates are greater than greater than the rate of inflation but a component of it is if uh the economy is inflating by three percent we want you to pay back comparable buying power if we give you a hundred apples we want a hundred

apples back guess what in a year apples are going to cost more money you're gonna need more money to pay back i would i'd be down with that if they if they if you pay back with a your increase with inflation if it went up with inflation that would be understandable that would be logistical but this just flat out interest rates compound interest on 18 year olds that don't aren't taught about compound interest full predatory man and i i don't refuse to pay back the interest i'm not interested in doing it here's the story from entrepreneur.com this gets worse before it gets better kevin o'leary warns of real chaos set to hit the u.s economy this fall but this is interesting i saw this a couple days ago he said you're just starting to see the chips fallS. economy this fall. But this is interesting. I saw this a couple days ago. He said

you're just starting to see the chips fall. The layering is as follow. The regional banks don't know yet what their capital requirements are going to be. So their loan books have closed like a turtle in a shell. This gets worse before it gets better. And what's it doing to small business? Killing them right now. O'Leary argued that not enough money is being

pumped into small businesses and blamed most recent Fed hikes, including a benchmark raise of point two five percent last month. Yeti, yeti, yeti, yeti. The only thing I really care about this article is it's another high profile business person sounding the alarm bells in the economy. And after learning about what's about to happen with student loans kicking in and a lot of people not being able to pay them back, it is not unreasonable, in my opinion, that that could be a large catalyst or at least a small component of i don't know if it's be the big component of the small component of some kind of economic crisis especially if it hits the the co-signers on the student on the student loan debt and then of course you have i've mentioned several times michael burry betting against the u.s stock

market it seems like the people who have a lot of money are concerned the market's going to take a hit i have no idea what that means i got people asking me every day like should i buy property right now i'm like i had no idea because they're like but the market's going to crash i'm like maybe probably i have no i have no idea what upsets me the most and so infuriating is we get these jobs numbers out every month and the white house or mainstream media take your pick they put this positive little spin on it and wrap it up in a little bow rather than just telling the Americans, hey, here's the problem. And here's what you guys can do as citizens of this country to help everybody and work towards resolving this problem because it is so complex and there's no easy solution out of this.

The economy? Yeah. I mean, this all ties into the state of the economy right now. It's not monetary, that's for sure. We're not going to fix the economy by another kind of money. It's going to be through materials. I talked with Stu Peters about this. I believe it's live on his channel on Rumble, but I'll be posting a link on that on Twitter later. The interview I do with Stu Peters.

It's technology. If we can make energy cheaper, make fuel cheaper, then the economy has become better. So if a tenth of the economy is fuel and. And so if you make, if a 10th of the economy is fuel and you make that a 10th cheaper, you've basically made 1% of your economy. You've made your economy 1% better.

You know? So it's like, that's why I'm obsessed with hydrogen fuel right now. Like, I feel like we can make cheap fuel, make cheap heat, electricity, building materials, transportation, you know, the basics. You know what the trouble is?

Is when you see these videos at a Times Square where someone goes up to another person and says, name a country that starts with the letter U and they can't do it. Or they say, like, who's the current president of the United States? And they can't. They don't know it. And they'll say, like, when did America get its independence? And they'll be like, 1871. Like, they have no idea. And you have a lot of these people, they vote.

And when you see these videos, there are powerful individuals who then are deeply offended that these people are consuming resources and polluting. And so they turn around and say stuff like, we need to get a control on overpopulation because there's too many of these people weighing us down. You then get phrases like useless eaters you get weird international policies such as you will own nothing and you will be happy and ultimately that means ian you will not get your cold fusion and your spaceships because in the event that there's an energy revolution on par with like this level of fusion energy which is insane that would mean a massive and explosive population boom that's for sure and there's a lot of powerful people who don't want that to happen you think with how expensive college is we'd be seeing some more of this uh these technological

advancements we wouldn't be seeing train derailments in east palestine with how much americans are paying for college but we're not but the other thing is like college is a is a business, right? Like, I don't even know that all degrees are equal. And I think there are programs that are probably great. But generally, people are paying to have the certificate, they are not actually always advancing to the level that we'd like them to see, or that would be implied by the fact that you went to college, a lot of people are in debt, basically having graduated by the skin of their teeth and having learned nothing. I mean, there are colleges that close during COVID because the enrollment is so low and because ultimately the business of college is failing. Small Rabbit Monkey said, yes, you will, Ian. Don't listen to Tim.

So I see that cold fusion. Thanks, Small Rabbit. No, I think we will. But I think there's powerful individuals who are trying to reduce population. And they have a reasonable fear because if every human had access to unlimited energy timothy mcveigh what else would he have blown up like the a psycho terrorist that had a horrible childhood just beat that hates humanity has access to unlimited power like that's severely dangerous so i understand why but there's scales i don't want to give everyone cold fusion packs just yet but hydrogen fuel it's lightweight and could be cheaper than gasoline i i'm thinking about what is about to hit the economy and perhaps the only solution is going

to be student loan debt forgiveness in some capacity it was easy to say when we were talking about 24 and 25 year olds up to maybe like early 30s that we don't want to forgive student loans. These older people have all paid them back. It's like, look, these people hate the why it's not fair. There's a lot of questions about fairness, about making the working class pay the bills of the highest income earners. But I think there is a harsh reality to whatever your opinion is. You're presented with two parent factions or parent paths to take one we do not bail out the people who have student loan debt and then these

people who are in their mid to late 30s and 40s don't have families don't have kids don't buy property become angry and purposeless and and violent or we do bail them out and the people who are supposed to be the crux of the economy resume working, have the load taken off their backs, and it stabilizes things a little bit. It's a question about the 2008 crisis when they bailed out the banks. Do you let the economy just course correct, shock everybody? There is going to be large amounts of death because of this, because of the economic crisis. Or do you bail out, alleviate some of the crisis, extend it for a little longer, but reduce the amount of death is serious questions. I think that the the reasonable approach that the government will likely want to take is going to be a bailout, whether Joe Biden wants to or not. And in fact, you may see this in 2024, Joe Biden coming out and saying one of the biggest drags on our economy right now is student loan debt.

And you all know it. Each and every one of you that has settled the debt that you can't pay back as you're living paycheck to paycheck. We will get it done. We will pass the pass the bill, blah, blah, blah. You got to vote for Democrat down ticket. What's Trump going to say? Well, you look at what they're doing. So if I owe Joe Biden 10 grand in debt, he's like, you can't pay that back.

So what I'm going to do is print money and then take it from you and pay me back sooner. And I'm like, dude, you can't force me to pay you back, Joe Biden. So no. No, let me pay you back at my pace, which is a zero because I have no interest in paying it back. But I think the libertarian response is going to be let the system crumble.

Just let it fall apart and then we'll just restart from where we are. I'm all about with putting the default on the loaners. Whoever loaned the money, you're not getting it back. I'm not all about printing up money to pay back those loaners. But the problem is the loaner is the government so they got to take the default i mean what's the point anyway it's like a trillion bucks what's the difference i mean i would love to

have one presidential candidate say when i'm in office i'm going to stop issuing student loans right because the system is broken we can see it we haven't dealt with the fallout yet but no one is saying that like why can't we just stop a terrible program from existing i gotta i gotta read this super chat from sunny summer sumner uh what does it say sumner robinson city bank has a total of is that uh 14 trillion no 14 billion 15 basically about 15 billion i was like the trillion oh no no okay i see right here 15 billion shorting the nasdaq and 7 billion shorting the s&p bank of america has 23 is that billion shorting the nasdaq and 7 billion shorting the s&p bank of america has 23 is that billion shorting the nasdaq and 18 billion shorting the s&p reminds me of the big short when the guys who bet against that the housing market were wondering why their credit default swaps

were stable as delinquencies were skyrocketing and the mortgages were becoming worthless it's because the banks were lying about what was going on so they could offload their exposure to unsuspecting smaller banks and and lenders or individuals so they would go and say hey this is worth a lot of money you should buy it then they would then as soon as they offloaded all their debt they went markets exploding have a day, and nobody goes to jail for it. And at the end of the big short, remember they said, they had a little joke.

Like, oh, we totally held people accountable. Just kidding. No, we didn't. So my question to you guys is, regarding the current situation, the current economy and student loans, should anyone be arrested? And if so, who?

Should people be held accountable? What should happen? I know you guys kind of started talking about with the defaulters. I don't know about arrest, but what I will say is if you actually want to solve a problem, you first you identify what's causing the problem. And I don't see that part. I see people are going straight to the problem and trying to bandaid it. But ultimately, they're not stopping, you know, the bleeding from the wound. The biggest issue that I see is that the federal government is trying to play manufacturing middle class, right? So that's why they're throwing all this money.

Anybody can get a student loan. That's when you start seeing for-profit colleges that don't care about anything. Whereas our parents' days, they got accepted into school. That was the only way you got a college education, right? So they had some sort of merit base. And then on top of that, they had to find some sort of way to get a loan. But back then it was reasonable. Now it's becoming an entire economy on its own based off of cheap money from the government because it's no regard. They'll just give it to anybody.

That's part of the problem. Same thing with the 2008 crash. Ultimately, it stemmed from the federal government trying to manufacture the middle class by saying the American dream is to own a home. So we're going to make it easier for everybody. And what did they do? They messed up the market and they they incentivized chaos. And that's what we're seeing with the student loan market. And they're not going to punish the people who are actually abusing it, right? The colleges, no one's talking about the colleges. Everything's about what's Joe Biden going to do. No one's ever talked about the colleges. No one ever talks about the endowment, right? No one ever-

Well, Chamberlain does. What is the- Seize the endowments. What's the endowment? Yeah, I hear that. Seize the endowments. What is the endowment right no one ever what is the seize the endowment what's the endowment yeah i hear that seize the endowments what is the endowment exactly it's basically how much money they just got sitting in reserves right so even just money that's been left to them or given to them yeah okay tax-free stuff people are donating people are donating getting a tax credit and then that generates money off of it does the government give them endowment money as well i don't i don't believe so okay i believe so. But even, even from the fact that let's say you have a college that has,

you know, $500 million. I don't know. I'm just making up a number, but they're still charging your kid $20,000 a semester, right? Does that seem like it makes a whole lot of sense? Why is it so expensive? Not saying it should be free, but why is it so expensive? And on top of that, you know, I was talking to Shane Cashman. He was an adjunct professor. They don't pay anything for these people. And they hire a whole bunch of adjunct professors. So, I mean, they're-

It's a scam. It's one big scam. And now they're saying, let's bail out everybody, keep the system in place. And guess what? In 10 to 15 years, we'll be back at the same point. Yeah. It seems like the college system is decrepit at this point and that you can educate yourself online and learn faster

more readily and from home but are the salaries of the presidents of colleges public generally speaking i don't know off the top of my head i'd be so curious to see how much money upper management is making at these schools because i had no idea about the adjunct professor thing two million yeah the uh president of yale makes 1.9 million a year and remember there's like the adjunct professors but then they hire crazy administrative blow right there was a administrator and a sub-administrator and someone who helps with the paperwork and whatever else all the way down so if the point of the institution is to have you know professors that are researching and studying things that they're good educators all the way down. So if the point of the institution is to have professors that are researching and studying things,

that they're good educators, why are they not the priority? Why do we have 85 administrators for every one professor? That's not the actual statistic. I'm making that up. But they're never incentivized to cut the fat.

Yeah. Right? They operate very similar to how the government operates. They create a job and that job never goes away. Right? So if the government said, we will only give money, but only up to a certain amount, and they started doing that wide scale, they'd have no choice but to cut the cost. Otherwise, they have no customer.

So then what do they do? They start cutting the fat. We can't have five administrators for this task. We have to reduce it because we can't afford this if we're going to keep everybody making about the same amount. So we have to start cutting the fat. No one ever does that when it comes to college debt. They always say, what's the federal government going to do for us?

They're the ones who screwed this all up in the first place. And that's by giving unlimited loans? Yeah. I mean, quite literally. But you can't default on it. You can't default on it, but anybody can get it. Were they like trying to catch up with the colleges raising costs so they would give more loans?

They'd be like, oh, we'll cover it. We'll cover it. I've always heard the inverse, that colleges raise costs because basically they were guaranteed that you would be able to pay tuition instead of being like, well, what can the average family or the average individual reasonably pay to attend our school? They were like, well, you just take out a loan, right? Like even now, I don't know if your son will end up if he's not applied to college yet, right? No, no.

Okay. So some colleges will send you like the acceptance letter. I remember this happening to me. And they'll be like, congratulations, you got a scholarship. That's so exciting. Except half of your scholarship is a loan. So they're presenting it to you like, wow, we really want you to come here. But actually what they want is for you to take out a loan to go there, which is what everyone wants you to do anyways.

That's also what the federal government wants you to do. One time we talked about on the show, like, I don't advocate that you give to your university. But if you were to, why can't you give directly to a student who is trying to pay off their student loans? Why can't you cover a portion of tuition instead of it going into a pool where then the 800 administrators that they have decide who gets it later? Why can't you have a more direct contact with the student? Because again, ultimately a lot of the money goes into the endowment, which never really reaches the people who need it, like the program heads, like the adjunct professors, like the students. Well, back to what Tim said, it's a scam. It's not really about the students, right right they give them a superficial product to

make them feel like they're learning right we go and take these useless classes to make us feel like we're we're being educated right but they leave and i've talked to so many college graduates where i'm like i don't know what i learned right so you spent four years in college you came out learning what but you owe all this money you got scammed son like i don't i don't know any other way to put it what if we had like a patreon thing for online college i know jordan peterson's working on setting up an online college and there's like phoenix university which was kind of a predecessor i don't know how that works exactly but like if you could watch the individual students learning and you're like i love that guy i love how fast he's learning i

want to give him 10 bucks a month just like that that. For a cup of coffee a day, you can. But like, not the students, the professors. Oh, yeah. You can find the professors too. That'd be awesome. But that's how you do it. So what you do is you create an online university that gets accredited, that issues degrees. And then you say, here are all the professors and all the subjects we have available.

And when you enroll in one of these classes you are paying monthly to that professor the professor like five percent goes to the university or ten like whatever like probably ten percent makes sense because there's like transactional fees and then server fees but it's basically a patreon for education and then when you complete the course you'll get a degree from the university but for me who's not even at the school i just get to watch them learn online the kids and they don't have money, some of them, so I want to fund them to go to college.

Like, I'm like in my 40s. I'm done with that shit. I just got money lying around. I want to fund, I'm just saying, I personally am not in that state yet, but there's always something

to do with your money. But I would like to, I would like to help fund kids without making them take loans out. Well, those are called scholarships. Yeah, so it to be like a proactive scholarship where like you're saying you can give money like an endowment directly to the

student yeah i wish i wish there was a scholarship that isn't administrated by this this the university that's going to serve right where i get their private scholarships there's tons of them yeah where you get to pick who gets it yeah there's this like private there's non-profit foundations and grants and there are foundations that will be like we give uh a grant to asian americans who are low income and want to go to college and then they they contact the institution they fill out paperwork and they say write us an sny we should give you the money and if you get approved we pay for your college yeah but i guess i would like to cut out the middleman where it's like if i had money i could give it directly to a student at a school tax free you know what i mean instead of it going to an administrator at a nonprofit or at a school

who then decides who gets it later. Build the technology, call it the scholarship. It'd be interesting. I mean, one of the challenges is that education is great. And I think people feel starved for that in a way.

And I wish we had more decentralized way. I mean, YouTube is the great example, right? Everyone always says you can look up anything on YouTube. You could learn so much. And that's amazing's amazing i wish that like it would be cool if cities had like more i mean public libraries do this and stuff it's it's just we default to thinking the university is what's providing the lecturers or the the things that you can go to just to learn and i think that's where we kind of get this like shopping mall effect with uh with

with universities. We think that's sort of where you go. Like after you finish high school, you go there and you get all the skills you need and then you leave and it's all kind of centrally located. But really, you know, if you're actively interested in a subject, you have to be more proactive. The university isn't going to really educate you on a lot of things, especially we've talked about this before, when you come out of high school, not knowing how to pay your taxes and things like that. There are skills that you just continue to put off. And

then finally, you're like, what, 22, 23, getting out of college. And maybe you learn something, but also you don't have any practical skills. Right. And I think part of the problem, I think, is Americans have caved in to thinking that education is institutionalized. Like, that's the only way that you can learn. So this means the only way you can learn is by going to a public school. The only way that you can have a real education, if you go to a college or a university, that's the only way. Outside of that, you're part of the what? Non-educated class, right?

Meanwhile, these people who spend God knows how much money, spend how many years within school, come out knowing nothing and making less. And like everything is the inverse and it doesn't make any sense. I think we are starting to get back, and I'm trying to do this as a parent, to tell my son that intellect is not necessarily what the teacher you know puts on your grade intellect is far more than that um intellect is about learning on your own being curious going out in the world experiencing things having a job dealing with people right and how you react to how you react to the world around you in that way like for example i'm a writer today i didn't go to school

for writing i figured that out i figured out how to do all these things by myself no one had to teach me i just ask questions i analyze things all that takes intellect all that takes curiosity but someone would say i'm not a real writer because i didn't go to school to get this to get this degree i don't need all that i don't have a college degree at all and and some people are surprised that by that because they think that i'm very intellectual in some regard credentialism it's credentialism they think that if you don't have a high school diploma you must be stupid right exactly and they wonder why they're broken in debt and like there's there's the pro athletes tons of pro athletes especially in skateboarding

easy example tons of them quit quit high school to go pro skateboarding and other millionaires. Not all of them, but they're the college graduate. Was it PhD billionaires typically have less than college dropout billionaires. And then you look at like Mark Zuckerberg and I think even Bill Gates too, right? Dropped out. No, actually no. Bill Gates, maybe not. I'm not sure.

It was Steve Jobs. Yeah. Yeah. Steve Jobs is a college dropout. I barely graduated high school. I didn't even walk with my class. Wow. You know, and- Yeah, I just stopped going.

I almost dropped out of college. At 14. I was very close. I was like three and a half years in, and I was so done with it. It was just like, what is the point of this? They're going to give me some paperwork that no one's going to ever look at anyway.

And the whole idea when I was going in was like, once you get that degree it's gonna help you get the job like the temp job where i'm typing on a computer that i don't want to be doing anyway right and they never asked and i would put it on my resume no one ever asked for 15 years no one even mentioned a college degree they're like what's your work experience that's all they cared about there's a story on fortune that says that bill gates dropped out of high school during his sophomore year, but then ultimately did attend Harvard. So I don't know where he falls into this spectrum,

but kind of interesting. Well, I love that you point out the difference between intelligence and knowledge. They're completely different. You can be brilliant and not know anything. And wisdom. Yeah, for sure.

Wisdom, intelligence, knowledge, experience, very different things. Like knowledge is the stuff that you learn and that can be learned in lots of different ways. And there are, I know, I know some dumb people who know a lot exactly and

there's some brilliant people that don't know anything because they just weren't around the information to learn it like i've met some dumb people in my days who can like cite tons of information from books like encyclopedic like in knowledge but they can't put two and two together those people are dangerous when they get to positions of power yeah they can tell you like who the 17th president was when they got inaugurated and they have all his knowledge and they can't explain the basics of like a logical problem or anything like that but you know and then i know people who are really really fast can solve any problem you give them a rubik's cube they're like oh i can figure this out real quick and you're like wow they're that's

that's an intelligent person and then there are people who are wise and uh they say knowledge is knowing that a tomato is a fruit and wisdom is knowing not to put it in a fruit salad yeah the application of knowledge you're right and intelligence being different because you can say intelligence is your comprehensive abilities not your understanding of application of knowledge necessarily like someone who's intelligent can solve a puzzle very very quickly but might put a tomato in a tomato in a fruit salad because they've not yet experienced it and don't understand someone that's wise might be like i don't have the time for this right now because i've got some other things that are more important yeah i always felt like school was about how much you can remember yeah i put down on the test yeah yes that's exactly what it was and i

read this really great article that said college uh no one should go to college unless you're unless your iq tested at 110 or above old articles probably from 20 years ago and the argument was that schools are basically memory centers they try to get you to remember things but they don't teach you what the things mean so you so what ends up happening is young people will gain knowledge without understanding they'll then jumble these ideas up in their minds in confusing ways because they know things but they don't understand things then they go to college and experience the same thing where many of these ideas are beyond the average person but we're trying to get average people to go to colleges you end up with people saddled with debt and unhappy and not able to find work yeah all right Alright, well, that being said, we'll go to Super Chats.

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well i'm at 59 pounds technically we can round up it's cool yeah yeah um so when i first started marketing myself everybody said chubby kanye and so i i freaking knew it that someone was gonna say that i was waiting for it a lot of them yeah a lot of them yeah the thumbnail looks a lot like it's awesome waffle sensei says is faster than i'm not your buddy you You tried, but you didn't get it. Sorry. Alright, Noah Sanders says, hate that I'm going to miss the show tonight. I'll be busy working in my truck. Just want to shout out the Discord community and the Miami show we're all psyched for. Y'all have a blessed night.

Thanks, Noah. Yeah, we're actually potentially planning some kind of VIP event because we're talking about like an elite members thing, but we might open it up to non-elite members. Well, we're trying to figure it out out i don't want to say too much until i can finalize everything with the people actually doing the work to organize it because i could just they'll get all angry if i'm like telling people things that we haven't finalized yet but we want to do like some kind of vip scenario so we want to do an elite an elite members meetup and then some kind of

vip thing but we'll figure it out bonk bonk says we need a cast brew coffee house in herkimer county new york lots of based people here and it's the birthplace of remington arms keep up the good work uh yeah we just got to figure out how to start the franchise i mean the first thing is we have to get the first location open and uh hopefully that will be within the next two months maybe three months it was supposed to be earlier in the year. But the issue is our building is a historic building. And we're trying to like, you got to respect a historic building. We have like an elevator from like the 1900s, like one of the first elevators ever put in

a building. So it's super old. And that gives us issues. Does it work? Yeah. Oh, that's awesome. But we're not allowed to let the public go on it. It is cool that people want to franchise

a business that isn't open yet yeah i know i think that's a that's a good uh i don't know good time for the community there's no reason you have to have a brick and mortar there to start franchise no i think subway didn't have one but i'm i'm not doing this because it's like oh boy here's an opportunity to get people to sell it like to buy something and we want to have a coffee house we want to start doing it and then be like okay who else wants to i don't want to just and it feels weird i'm not interested but uh i am excited by the idea i think we have so much interest it's entirely possible that within like two years there could be a hundred locations yeah all independently owned and operated and i'm thinking about the chick-fil-a method of like you can only own one location because we don't want

i don't want some corporation with investors to be like, let's purchase 50 locations. And then you get this weird corporate machine. I, Hey, I don't like that. You know, I want it to be like a individually owned and operated small business, but the brand lends people like benefits that people will find it on Google maps easier. They'll search the website and find your location. You'll get, you know, methodologies sent by us and assistance and things like that i want

to you know i want it to be more communal community stuff that's cool hopefully but uh we are looking to hire someone now to begin the process of creating the system before we even launch and then it's possible that before it opens we could even have people getting the ball rolling and opening their location. Where can people reach out if they're interested to get involved with? I have no idea. Okay. I've seen a few chats over the last couple of weeks asking about the coffee thing.

I never know what to say. Maybe they should follow the Casper Coffee Twitter. Brilliant. Yes. Follow. What's the Twitter? Casper Coffee. I think it's.

Yeah. Casper Coffee. I'll double check right now. And if anybody wants to hit me in Slack with the data of where people can contact, if they want to sign up to work with Cast Brew Coffee, let me know. It is at Cast Brew Coffee on Twitter. Follow them. And they're the ones running everything. And so they can give you more information. Also, if you go to CastBrew.com, there's a contact button at the top.

Oh, sweet. Oh, there is? Yeah. Well, look at that. It's like it's a real business. Yeah. We're branching out. We're expanding, all right?

We'll grab some more super chats. What do we got? Bocefa says, I'm still thinking of moving to New Hampshire, but then the Republican scandal is trying to get Trump off the ballot. And to quote Tim, Florida has apocalyptic weather. Where's my freedom and liberty?

Yeah. And I'll tell you, that's the thing about West Virginia is it's it's it's really great. But man, it's it's got red tape. West Virginia's got red tape. Understatement. Yeah, but it is what it is. And it for the people, not the government. But but it's it's the takeover it's the people here are pushing back uh and it's and it's really exciting i mean this the the people up in martinsburg have been coming and talking to us we're super excited for the projects we're doing uh it's this is going to be great it's

going to be a lot of fun we got some really cool stuff happening up in martinsburg and i hope to see y'all there it's a good opportunity. A lot of generational businesses, man. Yeah. Number one fastest growing city in West Virginia, Martinsburg. No, for real? Yeah, it is. Wow. And Winchester, which is just south, is one of the fastest.

I think it is the fastest growing city in Virginia. I didn't know that one. Wow. That was at least a year ago when I read that article. But yeah, I mean, I love it here. So don't come and buy up all the housing. I'm just kidding up all the housing well we want people because the concern that i'm hearing is that woke people are starting to come in yep and they're disrupting the local laws they're disrupting the culture and they're acting like they're the victims when it happens yeah they're

like weird stuff going on with like that you know martinsburg had a drag show for kids yeah and i'm like how is this happening in west virginia and berkeley county well it's because the people who live here don't understand what's going on and we need we need people to come and help reinforce that culture and back no no we're not we're not going to do that here all right we'll read some more let's grab another super chat gitch says there's a video floating around of employees of an ace hardware in seattle threatening customers with a bat and eventually a fight broke out all because the customers didn't want to wear a mask i think it's an old video though isn't it i haven't seen it floating around i saw the video yeah i saw the video i can't verify if that's actually i think it's old yeah

that happens often oh sorry all. Let's grab another super chat. Zachary Rossfeld says, I know you don't read these, but Joe Biggs isn't given those years to scare others. They want Proud Boys angry. Think about what they'll do next. Perhaps that's it. Perhaps what they're trying to do is incite a violent reaction so they can justify heavy handed violence against Trump supporters. That's why I keep saying, like, make money, protect your family. And here and here's the really, really simple thing. Here's the really simple thing.

Do not do what Joe Biggs did. You know why? They separated him from his daughter and they and they are laughing as they do it. Don't let them take you from your kids so that they can bring your kid to some adult drag, some kid drag show or something. Because, you know, this is their goal to take fathers away from the family, to break up families. So right now what needs to happen is ballot harvesting and politics. Imagine this.

The Democrats are wiggling their fingers in your face saying, I'm not touching you. I'm not touching you. I'm not touching you. And the moment you do anything, the cops jump in and arrest you. But if you stand there and smile smugly and say, I think you're doing this because you know you're going to lose next year and they're going to start crying you just got to make sure that everyone is handling things peacefully peacefully that's the way to do it because i think trump has a really strong chance to win now of course there we have some paper jets well i'll probably get to

in a second where people are like yes but we'll talk about we'll talk about it. We'll talk about it. Heron Gaming News says, Tim, can you please add Cast Brew Coffee CBC? I like that. To the links in the description. Also, I'm trying Rise with Roberto Jr. this time. Rip Roberto. Roberto Jr. Roberto's still out there. He's doing his Roberto thing.

We got to keep him separate from the ladies, though, because a lot of them are his daughters, and we do not want him, you know, banging his daughters. So he's got his own little house. But we have identified Robertoberto the third yeah have you yeah he's got he's uh he's got a white body but he's got the roberto head and tail and so he's roberto the third how many boys were there in the end to choose from i think roberto jr had three sons wow so there's one who looks really

cool roberto jr apparently knocked up one of the jersey giants i guess who then had a kid and it's it's like yeah it's gonna be big it's gonna be very very big big rooster yeah they can get super big yeah for those who don't know as you can probably guess by the name jersey giants are large large chickens they are i mean you have to use like two arms to hold very big they're very big well i mean the ones we have aren't that big i even compare to the other ones though they're big yeah yeah they definitely stand out as an aside on casper is there any plans to start selling merch because i want a casper coffee mug and i've wanted one for all the commercials that i've been working on too yes tweet at casper coffee and ask them i did i mentioned it to sarah before i'm going to

push that forward yeah all of these things are available now headbands oh do we have merch on the it's not on the website and we're really really excited because um political season kicking off means that uh they've already started their psychotic ad buys and so i just love it you know when we had Michael Bloomberg advertising on my channel, he was advertising on my channels and it's like my ad revenues through the roof and people are commenting on the video, like this video where you insult Michael Bloomberg was sponsored by Michael Bloomberg. And I'm like, that's great. Thank you, Michael Bloomberg. No, but look like he, he wants to be in front of these videos that'll exist no matter what.

If he doesn't advertise, my video comes out either way. So in his mind, he's like, I got to get a commercial on that video to give a positive message before the negative one. And so he ends up paying me to actually make the negative one inadvertently. I love it. I'm excited for all the Democrat and Republican ads that will appear on all of our channels, which we will use to engage in culture building. Did you know that Bloomberg was doing multi-language ad buys really my old job spanish language tim cast espanol oh my god my old job i worked with like 98 hispanic people and i went into one of the offices and i'm just they're listening to spanish radio station and then all of a sudden they're here michael bloomberg

and i was like he's taking our ad buys covering all his faces he was just flooding the market with money I wonder if we can get AI to do a translation I want to take the commercial that we did and dub it and have it in Spanish I mean it'll be really cool when we get to the point where the voice to text translation is

better I do not believe voice to text can accurately transcribe this whole show. I was, I did a, I did a video talking about Florida and I said, Rhonda Santus and the caption said Rhonda Santos. And I'm like, is that where that came from?

Where they were calling him Rhonda or whatever. I've been calling him Rhonda since the beginning. I'm like, who's this Rhonda guy? Rhonda Santos. So it's like, yeah, we're not quite there,

but it would be really, really cool. Sounds like a Cuban neighbor in Florida. I mean, if you think about it, we're really close. We've already had this for 10 years with Google Glass, where you could say, okay, Google Translate. Oh, I just triggered everyone's devices. But then someone would speak, and then you'd see what they said,

and it would speak it to you but there's still a delay between they speak process you hear we're getting really close to the idea of a universal translator where you're wearing a headphone and you just hear your native language as they speak their native my google just tried to translate what you were saying dude talk about when he's like initiate order 51 like dude someone could come on a tv show and say alexa play fountains of wayne sorry guys it's a great band i got one and what's it's still legal for me to do that google okay google no no no no no like how disruptive is that stop stop ian ian you're ruining it okay google remind me monday through friday at 8 p.m timcast irl

boom did it work done it did i think so there you go everybody now you'll never forget isn't that insidious though how that could be manipulated like these these ads are getting more and more powerful the commands they can receive like maybe they should be yes only know your voice terrifying and i don't like that you can do it over the internet people are saying it works they're saying their phones are turning on all right well what you really want to hear is uh here's one wait wait alexa remind me monday through friday at 8 p.m watch timcast irl oh my god my wife is freaking out i wonder if our viewers people are like i can't i can't it's who's who does walls that band uh uh who did uh what's your what it's a band that i'm gonna tell everyone

is alexa to play everyone's calling you kanye yes i saw kanye east and i thought that was that's a good one uh henry back to play says ask amazon's i'm not gonna say the name but you get it the lady who will win the 2024 election why does it say something funny i don't we don't have one i think we have one we just burman is sending stop setting off my alexa that's you just said you said oh sorry i'm not supposed to say it so let's basically change your machine's name like greet it it'd be like nope not with that no okay i don't have one and i like have refuses to work in offices that have them in the past like it really freaks me out it's almost like the word alexa is a password and you should change that word so your machine responds

to a different term no for real for real you can actually you can actually have a respond to computer that's terrifying make your own weird words so that people can't trigger it i don't think so i think it has three words i think it has its name computer and like one other thing no you can name it anything yeah in the alexa app you can name you can make the device i know but you can anyway i'm pretty sure the wake command is anything. For Alexa, I've done it. You can do any name you type in there. But it works best on the first name, the original, because how many people have said the name

and have talked to the machine as all this data. We gotta get Casper Coffee on Amazon so that we can say device by Casper Coffee. Alexa, play Walls by Kings of Leon. No, come on. you know we can say device by drop some ads during Alexa play walls by kings of Leon

no it's the best album dude it's one of the best albums of the day right yeah but now people are going to be trying to listen all right you guys I'm not going to do that anymore

all right we'll grab some more here we go what do we got here what do we got here the sig p220 says the SCOTUS can issue a writ of mandamus the US Marshal Service enforces

their ruling will they not with the threat of packingamus the u.s marshal service enforces their ruling will they not with the threat of packing america the idea died with reconstruction civil war is a power grab interesting admar says with biggs's sentence i got the same pit in my stomach as when i read about ross albrecht in his sentence hit harder having a one-year-old daughter yeah both of the men reels and biggs have young children and i think that's just incredibly sad also i think biggs's daughter is living with his from what i know very ill mother so he's a male support system that's been completely removed from that family we have another casper commercial coming out soon oh yeah i saw it today and they're all

going to be each commercial is going to be part of a, a, what can effectively be turned into a movie. Yeah. Yeah. Like with portals. I was thinking my guy could travel through like dimensions or something. Well, I don't think we need to do that. The,

the arc so far is just that Ian is an acolyte of Roberto and that's it. And he's trying to trick people into drinking the coffee, which converts them. You'll love the new one. Yeah. The special effects are fantastic. All all right we'll grab another one matt speak says question for the group if trump wins will kamala certify the election no no it's okay when she doesn't do it you know of course she's gonna be like i'm not reading this and then that's it and then

they're gonna be like oh insurrection and democrats are like yeah but who cares we're the only ones who actually abuse law enforcement and republicans are gonna be like well i guess you're right okay back to the way things were sure i just imagine she would not certify it as she's cackling at the same time let's certify it we did it joe we did it we did it. It was a debate. Auntie C says, the U.S. is described in Ezekiel 1649-50. If those verses don't describe the state of our nation, nothing does. God help us.

Okay, well, let me... What did they say it was? Let me pull this up. Ezekiel 1649. And what is this? What is this a reference to? It's probably something gross, right? Let's see. Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom.

Ah, Sodom and Gomorrah. Okay. She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed, and unconcerned. They did not help the poor and needy. Yep. You know, there's going to be like a new New Testament later on. And it's just like the nation of the United States was full of fat lazy people who didn't care for

responsibility and their culture burned to the ground. Dude, that's the fentanyl thing, man, and they're lacing fentanyl with this drug that the DEA is attempting to put on a Schedule 1, the stuff they're lacing with, and they're moving marijuana this went through, Biden proposed it to Department of Health and Human

Services who accepted it, who sent it to the DEA to move marijuana from Schedule 1 to Schedule 3. So it can now become researched. And they were talking, Matt Gaetz and the head of the DEA were going back and forth about how horrific the opioid crisis is. These synthetic opiates are called opioids and that marijuana can help people get off of it. They can help their withdrawals. They can help the pain and stuff. They've known this for so long, though. Yeah, but we're finally moving it.

Like we got a president that's like, man, Hunter smokes so much. I was thinking of Biden talking about Hunter. He smokes that so much that junk anyway. All right. Jeremy B says, Hannah Clare, please assume the two handed Tiffany Gomez pose and say that MFR is not real. I don't know what the direction she's pointing is.

It's like in two directions. I did not think about this when I got dressed this morning at all. I just wrote down. No woman could ever wear that shirt ever again. I know. I also put my hair up. It was down earlier today. It's serious Gomez vibes. I didn't realize what an influencer she was. Maybe she is a fashion airline

whatever. Yeah, that's the note that you guys saw at the beginning of the show. I was letting Hannah Clare know. Did you guys see the painting that I got? The painting where she's pointing at the plane and everyone in the seats are fictional people. Did it arrive? Yeah, it's downstairs. I don't know where they put it.

But it's like Bigfoot's in the back and then there's like a jackalope and Avril Lavigne. It's awesome. Yeah, it's great. Michael McCord says back, and then there's like a jackalope and Avril Lavigne. That's awesome. Yeah, that's great. Michael McCord says, graduated in 08 with three degrees, comp sci, math, and theater. Took a minimum of 21 plus hours worth of courses per semester plus summer courses. Graduated in 4.5 years with 3.75 GPA while working two jobs and in a show every semester. But they get free money?

Dude, that's badass, man. That's a nice resume. Tell me you're doing something amazing with your life right now. I hope. Yeah, you got the drive. Congrats on all your hard work. That's awesome. I'm sorry that the government is so bad at this.

Copper Lobo says, Tim, I've told you time and time again, the plan is to agitate the right. They want civil unrest, so they can use it as a tool to abolish 2A. Once 2A is gone, our freedom is gone forever. I think it's a bit more, it's not so direct as 2A. The general idea is the only legitimacy they have is when they respond to violence.

If nobody gets violence, they'll have to fake it. But nobody should get violent. All right. A. Merrick says, Hawaii proved violent. All right. A Merrick says, Hawaii proved malice was right. Cops will follow any order up to and including murdering children. Yep, that's right.

Crazy stories about kids still in the cars when the cars burned. People don't understand because we had a guy call in a member who was a firefighter and he says, when the winds are 80 miles an hour and the fire is blowing past you and you're burning and you can't breathe you just you go down and so for the people that were trapped in their cars the fire swept in so quickly

many of them didn't make it out and those cops held them there that's it gitch says abortion is unconstitutional because it violates the baby's fourth amendment rights you mean i think you meant 14th because i don't think they're searching the baby they're technically seizing the baby but uh the 14th amendment is is interesting because it defines that no one can be denied human rights but it also says being born in this country but if those are two separate provisions then you don't need to be born to be a citizen there's a bunch there's other qualifications all right jason hudgenson says we're not a nation of laws we're a nation of political will quote steve deese bless you i couldn't do it i tried to stop the sneeze the sneeze came anyway

uh we'll grab some more a good quote from steve deese yeah we're not bound by our laws. We're oaths to uphold them. Dalimar says we are a republic. How many times does this need to be said? Each state is an independent entity with its own laws. When did this stop being taught? Because we have a federal government and the Constitution guarantees your rights over the states. That means if you are in one state, they can't deny that you have inalienable rights at the federal level. So the 14th Amendment, for instance, you can't have Colorado determine what a human is and then Oklahoma determine what a human is, because then you have disagreements over who actually gets federal rights.

The federal government has to enforce that, in which case the federal government says if a baby in the womb is a human and has 14th amendment rights you can't kill it and that changes the law in other states do you think there's any chance that all this abortion stuff's going to go back to the supreme court yes but uh probably but there's no answer there the answer is supposed to be congress and congress won't do anything about it because the democrats just need a wedge issue. And Republicans don't have any real power right now. If the Republicans had the presidency, the Senate and and the House, I'd imagine they would have they would have passed an abortion ban. I don't think so. I think it's a wedge issue for both parties, to be honest with you. Yeah, but the thing about the Republican Party is that the insurgents actually got in with the Democrats like Bernie Sanders.

They were kept out. And then AOC is establishment is as establishment as they come. Just masquerading as like a young leftist. But with the the more the Republican Party actually has dissidents and people who are who are trying to vote for things. So it's possible that they went, oh, no. Oh, whoops. We can't do it. But this time it's one thing in 2016 when you still had you know like paul ryan and stuff that i get that nothing's going anywhere then but if it were to happen now i would not be surprised i think

it's more likely that you get an abortion ban at the congressional level i think once we have artificial wombs that are like totally functional in use, then they can outright ban abortion in the whole country. But we're so far away from that. I think that's one of the only things that comes to my mind. It's like, how do you solve this issue, you know, and just be done with it? And artificial wombs comes to my mind. To think that you could ban something that's been happening for hundreds of thousands of years is like, I just what an insane in my opinion insane proposition to ban it outright but anyway i don't want to do but banning banning doesn't mean it never happens

like people have been smoking pot for eternity and then the u.s banned it and it was almost entirely wiped out people still did it still existed but for the most part people did not oh yeah i should say there's no way to effectively ban it in my opinion right just procedurally and then criminally punish those who go against the the law all right think on this as you are all conflating an act against one's self versus an act against another gambling yourself you go to get an abortion you're acting against your child who is a resident of said state ian you are wrong that is another human being well so if we're talking about a baby at eight months then you have the problem of that baby does not need to be in the womb right the baby like what i mean to say is it

could survive outside could survive outside maybe stay for a little bit right until until it is ready to be born but what i mean to say is if the baby can live outside there's no reason to kill it exactly so a woman fleeing to kill a baby that can survive on its own is murder yeah before that there's a question of did the woman invite the baby in was the baby placed there against the woman's will those are the questions i asked those are those are those are constitutional rights questions and that's why i found it interesting that alabama had taken steps to sort of legally define what if to give a fetus a legal personhood status uh years before

we even reach the roe v wade or turnover eight month old like a like a two week old baby after it's born if you stop feeding it you'd be charged with neglect homicide if it was eight month old and it's delivered but needs a machine to survive but it's for profit you got to pay money to a company to work the machine is it still neglect if you say no i don't want the machine i think at eight months the baby does not need a machine like a premature baby if it's still if it's still like machine level premature i'm pretty sure but so that's why i just picked a random number but if it still needs a machine is it is it neglect to not use the machine and just let it die but i don't think you have that choice if the baby's born premature the hospital tries to

save it it's like it's like saying you know you brought a person with a gunshot into a hospital and said don't help them they'd be like okay and then they and then they do it and then they charge the mother like cost for hey we we had to do this with your baby now you owe us forty thousand dollars and the mother's like i don't have any money which was why i was getting the abortion in the first place like but like theoretically the mother could be like i'm surrounding the rights of this child and then the child be ward of the state which is complicated in its own right but the child wouldn't die that seems like the better option to me make little super soldiers i mean that's the thing that's in place right now and it's the whole uh leave your baby in a basket at the fire department like

you can actually do that and you're not going to be charged by with by any money monetary amount any uh crimes and it relieves you of the child you know here's a good one the mcglone code says ian murder is banned rape is banned theft is banned fraud is banned and all have been happening since forever yep people used to kill each other all the time then we were like okay now we're not gonna let that happen we're going to make that not okay technically murder was always bad it was just warring factions yeah we're fine with it but uh you know fraud and a bunch of things that didn't used to be illegal are legal like fraud wasn't illegal back then you could trick someone and they'd be like well buyer beware caveat emptor tore is that right caveat i'm tore yeah let the buyer beware yeah there's still like legal fraud you know when your buddy when you tell your buddy what stock's about to pop because

you're in congress or they work for the company that's about to pop the stock and then you make the bet like that's that's fraud or that's like it's i know i get your point though that's a good point yeah that banning something can make it go away. All right, everybody. Or diminish. We're going to start getting ready for that members-only show, so smash that like button, subscribe to this channel, share the show if you really do like it. It really, really does help.

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