Timcast IRL - Timcast IRL #854 61 Antifa INDICTED On CONSPIRACY Charges Over Attack On Cop City w/Jackson Hinkle

Episode Date: September 6, 2023

Tim, Ian, Hannah Claire, & Kellen join Jackson Hinkle to discuss 61 members of Antifa being hit with RICO charges, the ex proud boys leader getting 22 years in prison, Jill Biden being diagnosed with ...COVID, & Russian State TV threatening the US with a nuclear attack. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:00:51 BetMGM operates pursuant to an operating agreement with iGaming Ontario. 61 Antifa activists or whatever you want to call them have been indicted on RICO charges out of Georgia. And this is on top of the 20 or so that have already been charged with domestic terrorism for the actions they took at Stop Cop City, which includes firebombing and throwing bricks and other objects, as well as, you know, there was a shootout and there was a bunch of violence and destruction
Starting point is 00:01:17 that happened all around the area in Atlanta, outside of Atlanta, where they burned down houses, flipped over vehicles and destroyed them. Really interesting. These charges dropped today when we're getting news that Enrique Tarrio received 22 years in prison. He was sentenced despite not actually being at January 6th. Why did he get 22 years in prison?
Starting point is 00:01:38 Because he texted other Proud Boys cheering them on during January 6th. And that's it. Ladies and gentlemen, there's a lot of news today and trying to figure out which one is the one to go is really tough. You got Jill Biden's got COVID. Joe Biden saying he's going to start wearing a mask again. Fauci saying he'll be really upset if nobody wears masks and they recommend it. You've got Tucker Carlson dropping a trailer for an interview with the guy who claims that he was having adult relations with Barack Obama. Man, Elon Musk is suing the anti-Defamation or threatening to sue the Anti-Defamation
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Starting point is 00:03:54 Who are you? What do you do? I have a YouTube show. It's called The Dive with Jackson Hinkle. And I cover geopolitics, Russia, Ukraine, Africa, China, anything U.S. foreign relations, and also some of the subjects we're going to be talking about tonight. Right on. Should be interesting considering we have that story going around about that personality saying they're going to nuke the United States. I think it's BS, but of course, you know, we'll get into it and we'll break that down.
Starting point is 00:04:16 So should be fun. Thanks for hanging out. Thank you. We got Hannah Clare hanging out. Hey, I'm Hannah Clare Brimlow. I'm a writer for TimCast.com. It's the best news on the planet and you should read it all the time. Ian's here too. Hi, everyone. Actor, musician, writer, Ian Crossland. I'm a writer for TimCast.com. It's the best news on the planet, and you should read it all the time. Ian's here, too.
Starting point is 00:04:25 Hi, everyone. Actor, musician, writer, Ian Crossland. Happy to be here at Ian Crossland. Hit me up on the internet, but let's get rolling. What's up, Calum? Hello, everybody. I'm filling in for Serge. He's under the weather today, but I'm here pushing buttons.
Starting point is 00:04:36 Let's get started. We got this story from the Associated Press. 61 indicted in Georgia on racketeering charges connected to stop cop city movement i love this stuff they say 61 people have been indicted in georgia on racketeering charges in the sweeping indictment released tuesday republican attorney general chris carr interesting interesting name alleged to the defendants are militant anarchists who supported a violent movement that prosecutors traced to the widespread 2020 racial justice protest. The August 29 indictment is the latest application of the state's anti-racketeering law,
Starting point is 00:05:10 also known as a RICO law, that comes just after Fulton County prosecutor used the statute to charge former President Donald Trump and 18 other defendants. The Stop Cop City effort has gone on for more than two years and at times veered into vandalism and violence. Opponents fear the training center will lead to greater militarization of the police has gone on for more than two years and at times veered into vandalism and violence opponents fear the training center will lead to greater militarization of the police and that its construction in an urban forest will exacerbate environmental damage in the poor majority black area i love that qualifier that defense of these far-left extremists let me just pull up that their wikipedia entry on stop cop city and they say domestic terror charges. 20 people in all were hit with these charges going back to January and December.
Starting point is 00:05:49 On March 6th, it was reported 23 people had thrown large rocks, bricks, Molotov cocktails, and threw fireworks at police, as well as having set buildings and equipment on fire, had been charged with domestic terrorism. Only two of them were from Atlanta. One was from France,
Starting point is 00:06:04 and one was from Canada. But thank you, AP, for adding that needless caveat or not caveat, but a qualifier that they're worried it will it will make environmental damage worse in this poor majority black area. This is the issue when it comes to the left, when it comes to the right. Even when you get serious criminal charges, now 81, it appears the media will do comes to the right. Even when you get serious criminal charges, now 81 it appears, the media will do everything to protect them. Take a look at this from NPR. Domestic terrorism charges in Georgia are prompting concern over political repression. And they start the story by saying when Luke Harper went to Atlanta in early March,
Starting point is 00:06:38 he thought he would be staying the weekend. A 27-year-old copywriter for Florida was just going to go there to join a demonstration and opposite of the police. But on the second night, after attending a music festival with other protesters, he was arrested and accused of being a domestic terrorist. Maybe it was like, I don't know, when that dude opened fire on police, I think more than one, and the cops shot back and one of them died, or when they went around burning buildings. But this is what you get. Right now, the other big news, which we'll get into in a second, is that Enrique Tarrio, who was not even not even at january 6 has been sentenced to 22 years in prison and what do you think the media is saying about him well they're definitely going to call him a domestic terrorist i mean the the contrast between the treatment between of these two groups or two types of people is insane uh it's impossible not to see it as uh inflammatory and an attempt to try and push differences.
Starting point is 00:07:26 I mean, yes, the AP has an article about this, but it's not being picked up the same way. So few people know about what's going on in Georgia. I mean, I honestly think, Tim, you're one of the people
Starting point is 00:07:34 who talk about it the most. And that's crazy because it's a year-long, essentially, sit-in protest that has repeatedly come to violence. January 6thth while complicated and obviously made a national impression was one day and did not cause nearly the destruction that this is happening to to fulton county so i just don't understand it it's interesting i think you know a
Starting point is 00:07:55 lot of people are celebrating the indictment but this came from i think this indictment is coming from the state level not from the local level and it's unsurprising that, you know, the Atlanta area, which is left leaning Democrat, isn't doing anything for the most part. And it's the state level government. But I'm curious. I don't know exactly where this goes. I will say I am surprised and shocked that any charges came about. But then again, Georgia is a weirdly. I don't know. How do you describe it? It's a red state, right? Kind of. It's red, but it has several major Democratic strongholds.
Starting point is 00:08:32 And it's a more interesting and like demographically complicated state than a lot of red states which are like, you know, majority white or something like that. It really is. It makes sense that it's a battleground state because it's in conflict with itself as much as it is with many other parts of the U.S's i think it's always good to just take it back to the point like these people are going to get maybe a few years behind bars if that you know it's a slap on the wrist and they're literally committing domestic terrorism they're treasonous maybe even and look at that they get a few years but they're trying to lock up julian assange for
Starting point is 00:09:02 the rest of his life look what they're doing to him julian assange thing is an assassination yeah right yeah and with this antifa thing they've not even been sentenced these are charges don't be surprised if like in dc on it was the january 20th 2017 protests yes they criminally charged 200 some odd people with conspiracy and it was a big oh heavens and that would happen they all got acquitted charges were dropped and then they were paid millions of dollars in a lawsuit so we're seeing this now but at the same time the inverse story is about people who are being raided this is the crazy thing they're starting to raid more people over january 6 they were waiting for an election year so yeah and then you know to your point julian assange oh boy yeah i mean look julian assange is a real threat to the established order julian assange did everything appropriately and
Starting point is 00:09:52 unless any information has been kept secret i can only see him doing journalistic activities and that is really damaging so what do they do oh they lock him up and they have they they essentially try to let's just say they silenced him, right? What these lunatics are doing in Atlanta is just chaos. They've killed people. They've killed people. I mean, there's... In Atlanta, they killed people?
Starting point is 00:10:14 You said they've shot... They shot a cop. The cop didn't die. Okay, well, they've shot more bullets at Americans than Putin's army has. We'll leave it at that. All right, fair point. I mean, that's true. Hold on, hold on.
Starting point is 00:10:27 Actually, there are Americans on the ground fighting in Ukraine, so they are getting shot at by Putin's forces, but they're not like I guess, declared U.S. personnel? They're not there doing official business of the U.S. Yeah, I don't think that matters, to be honest. Like, the U.S. intentionally has people
Starting point is 00:10:43 there, is intentionally engaging in this conflict what do you mean they're not in war with ukraine we're just sending them tons of money and military support yeah and intelligence and volunteers and weapons for those volunteers and training for those volunteers well we love service in this country we think it's great to help other people uh i i think the antifa story is so interesting because this is sort of the heaviest hit that I've seen to Antifa. I mean, Portland cannot get their situation under control. And in contrast, it's the same day that we see the longest sentence handed down to anyone involved in anything related to January 6th. I mean, if you can't see that the justice system has favorites, I don't know what we'll tell you uh i don't i don't know
Starting point is 00:11:25 how people can have faith in any sort of uh judicial branch of if state or whatever or anything i mean the federal government is sending thousands of people they've charged thousands of people i think it's 1,106 the last doj number i saw uh in connection january 6th uh 600 people at least have been sentenced. And in contrast, you know, Justin Jones, who's a state representative in Tennessee, got reinstated after he led a, you know, protest on the floor of the chamber that disrupted official official proceedings. I assume that's also a form of seditious conspiracy, but Tennessee has not gone after him for that. I mean, well, it just shows that, like, there are some things that we are willing to let slip by depending on what you're promoting i i do want to give a shout out to christopher carr of georgia because it's funny because you know our executive editor is named chris carr but he was absent last week he was on vacation i wonder what he was up to
Starting point is 00:12:19 maybe he's actually moonlighting as the georgia attorney general no but we often talk about how it's like we we see not a single republican or conservative do anything as the left runs rampant, firebombing. Well, he is. He is. Shout out. Now, I mean, B minus C plus, right? It's good that these psychopaths who are firebombing buildings, burning them down, flipping over vehicles, shooting at cops. It's good.
Starting point is 00:12:43 They're being criminally charged and is going after them with some like he's going after these rico good they conspire they plan these things there's the crazy video of like a hundred plus people i hope he gets all of them and arrests all of them there is a difference however i i don't i don't much care for like tit for tat in the sense that you know in georgia they indict donald trump the front runner for the Republican Party. And then you get a guy saying, oh, yeah, I'm going to arrest some extremists who are at this this cop thing. I'm like, those are totally different territories. I'm still glad that it's happening. It's not exactly whatever everyone is asking for when it comes to corruption.
Starting point is 00:13:17 You've got Democrats who have complained at the election, who lobbied election officials, who begged people to vote for somebody else who claimed Trump was a Russian spy. That's seditious conspiracy. When you have Hillary Clinton, you know, effectively, I correct him, I'm wrong, but funding the Steele dossier resulting in a fine and a bunch of other things. I mean, that's seditious conspiracy. Accusing the president of being a spy to try and win an election. That is stealing power, trying to, i guess the only argument is trump wasn't in office at the time and uh and joe biden was but the problem is we see all of that and there's no action being taken against any of the democrats who are in office who are pushing this stuff yeah it seems crazy one step at a time i suppose the i'm with you i i'm glad that these violent
Starting point is 00:14:03 protesters are facing justice. But I am concerned that... Yeah, you could call it that. A violent protest riot. These people that were shooting at the cops. Yeah, for sure. But what concerns me a little bit is that it's... I think you mentioned tit for tat that the bar is getting raised.
Starting point is 00:14:19 Like, okay, now we've decided it's okay to charge someone with 80 counts of this. Now we're going to go someone over there. Okay. Because like you said earlier, there's the left, the right, and the establishment. The establishment don't care what side of the culture war you're on. It will use that side's justification to go after that side. And then that side's justification to go back after that side and then happily stay on top of the hill. So I don't like this escalation of lawfare but
Starting point is 00:14:45 you know the guys that are shooting at cops they need to go it is lawfare but the last thing i'll say is that like you said the people that have committed all these war crimes in syria or in wherever you know they're never going to be held accountable those are the untouchables i'm pretty sure obama won an award called the peace prize yeah and you know he blew up kids you know wedding processions all that stuff yeah here's here's an important piece of the ap news that y'all are gonna love they say among those charged domestic terrorism in march near the music festival and indicted last week as thomas jurgens a southern poverty law center staff attorney jurgens lawyer has said his client wore a bright green hat a well-known identifier used by legal observers and his arrest alarmed many human rights organizations
Starting point is 00:15:27 the law center called an example of heavy-handed law enforcement intervention against protesters decalb county district attorney sherry boston a democrat mentioned her concerns about jurgens prosecution in announcing her june decision to withdraw from criminal cases connected to the movement. Listen, my friends, just explain to me where you think this country is currently at when when the Democrat district attorney outright says they are not going to prosecute or be involved in criminal cases against terrorists and Fulton County is trying to indict the front runner for the for their rival political party and his lawyers just call it whatever you want I don't care literally no but uh you know something crazy is going on something absolutely insane is happening when you have 81 people being charged
Starting point is 00:16:16 on either conspiracy or domestic terror by a Republican and a Democrat being like I'm not going to be involved in any of those criminal charges. Like these people shot at cops. And then they're like, the January 6th should be rounded up. Enrique Tarrio gets 22 years in prison. Dude wasn't even there. Wasn't even there. Well, and the majority of the people arrested are out of state in Georgia for Stop Cop City. Right.
Starting point is 00:16:42 So Georgia's literally under attack from people who are not from Georgia. And their attorney general is like, no, it's fine. I'm not interested in taking part yeah what is domestic they call it domestic terrorism but if a guy from france comes to the united states and commits a tear act of terrorism that's not domestic domestic means that they are americans attacking america so this is more than just a french guy and a canadian guy yeah apparently so it's just straight up international terrorism these guys came to the united states to wreak havoc on cops that's that's international terrorism if this was happening in like in in hungary or some other country you know they'd be sending in victoria newland to go and like launch a coup and install a new government
Starting point is 00:17:15 we're literally living in a banana republic right now it's insane i used to shop at a store called the banana republic it was like they were softening me i never understood why they named that store that it's like it sounds like i think i got my first suit they were softening me. I never understood why they named that store that. It's like, it sounds like, I think I got my first suit from Banana Republic. They were making it cool. It's like, hey, it's okay. It's owned by the same company that owns like Gap. That's their name. Well, then when someone says something like, you ever hear of Banana Republic?
Starting point is 00:17:36 They'll be like, yeah, for sure. And in their mind, they're thinking of like a shopping mall. Chiquita Banana. And they're like, I remember that store. They've been conditioning us for years. Banana Republic right now. Isn't that crazy that we named one of our corporate capitalist stores? Well, we didn't. Yeah, this fascist thing. They named it the Banana Republic, like after the countries that we were ripping off.
Starting point is 00:17:55 So let's jump to this story. Around the same time that we were learning that several anti-far-left extremists were being indebted on RICO charges, we also got this news. Proud Boys leader Enrique Tarrio, ex-Proud Boys leader, sentenced to 22 years for January 6th riot roll. And that roll was...
Starting point is 00:18:15 He was texting people, cheering them on. That's it. This is freaky, man. Look, if you want to argue someone incited someone else to violence, what do you get for that? A couple years? If that, depending on the seriousness or nature of the crime charles manson for instance got life for inciting those guys to go f it up i mean telling people to go
Starting point is 00:18:34 murder somebody he just said go f it up and they took that to mean okay so they went and then they ended up killing these people and they're like nope manson incited it manson's going away i don't i don't trust any of these charges and rick itario was not there this is insane here's the story they say he's been sentenced to 22 years for in prison for his role in january 6th he was one of six proud boy leaders to be charged for conspiring to stop the certification of the 2020 election tarios originally scheduled hearing was postponed blah blah they wanted 33 years he got 22 uh let's uh i want to they highlight a few things and also they gave a whole bunch of other dudes 15 to 20 years biggs got uh 17
Starting point is 00:19:12 tario was convicted for obstructing an official proceeding conspiracy to prevent an officer from discharging their duties obstruction of law enforcement during a civil disorder and destruction of government property the value over a thousand tario wasn't at the actual Capitol riot because he'd been arrested days earlier and he'd been told to leave the city. So he did. Apparently he went to D.C. instead. Prosecutors say from a hotel outside of D.C., Tarrio directed his Proud Boys to attack the Capitol without him. Tarrio's attorneys have said he wasn't in contact with any members of the organization during the riot and pointed to Nordian and Biggs as being the orchestrators of the riot. Further, they said participating in a plan for the Proud Boys to protest on January 6th is not the same as directing others on the ground to storm the Capitol by any means necessary. And that's the issue. Apparently,
Starting point is 00:19:53 that's it. He wasn't there. There was no actual plan among any of the Proud Boys to do anything. They were unarmed. Many of them just did dumb things. And if you riot, yeah, you riot, especially at the Capitolitol during the electoral vote count i think you're good you're gonna you get some serious charges but like what a year 16 months maybe for knocking down barricades or smashing windows i do think it is fair to say it is personally offensive to smash the windows of our capitol building you know man i look to american history and all the stuff. I reject and despise the corruption,
Starting point is 00:20:25 but it is amazing to go to D.C. and see all the art and all the history and people smashing stuff and bashing windows and trying to break their way in. Really, really bad.
Starting point is 00:20:34 I say criminal charges and we'll be really harsh. Let's be really, really harsh. A rioter who does this should get 18 months. And they've already served that, right? That's time served. They've already been there.
Starting point is 00:20:46 Free to go. It's crazy. So you look at these guys who, this guy burned down a police station in Minneapolis. He gets four years. You look at some of the, what is it, the Molotov cocktail lawyers. Where do they get a year? I think. 22 years?
Starting point is 00:21:00 They're ending, they're effectively ending these dudes' lives. Yeah. I mean, that's something Tarrio said today when he spoke. He said, you he said you know he's 39 he said please don't take my 40s from me i would love to get married and have children and you're going to he's not gonna come out he's like what 60 uh it's it's sad it's it's sad to see someone have to be the scapegoat i mean that's what the u.s government has done to him i'm just gonna i'm gonna play the the time travel game again because i love this game let's go back to 2017 and i want you all to imagine going to one of your friends and telling them in 2023 six proud boys will receive multi-decade sentences in prison for what the government describes as an act of domestic terror
Starting point is 00:21:46 to overthrow the seat of government. And they would laugh harder than anyone's ever laughed. And they'd say, you're a nut job. The guys singing in the bar and marching around in polo shirts and doing, what are they saying, like Aladdin or something? Proud of your boy or whatever it was? That's their slogan. Seriously? You're out of your mind.
Starting point is 00:22:04 Now look where we are. Well, there, go ahead there was one guy who uh didn't get charged who was in the capital that day and that was sergey to beat him and he was actually a ukrainian azovite soldier who happened to find himself in the capital that day and uh some photos were uncovered of him this week by laura loomer and it just i find it crazy that you have ukrainian spies that are in our capital infiltrating our seat of government and they're not charged they're allowed to come to the u.s they're allowed to go protest in orlando this week with all those guys they're allowed to go back to ukraine but then we have you know american citizens that weren't even there and they're getting 20 year sentences so this is interesting laura loomer posted this she says i've exclusively confirmed the fbi identified ukrainian operatives
Starting point is 00:22:48 and neo-nazis were at the u.s capital on january 6th and even questioned j6 was about ukrainian spies during interviews with the fbi the new york times uh actually i'm sorry this is daily dot not the new york times uh said why ukraine is now being accused of secretly orchestrating the capital riot can i just i want to explain to you what they do. It's one thing for Laura Loomer to be like, hey, look at this dude who is a Ukrainian spy who appears to have been at the Capitol. Isn't that something crazy? What do they say?
Starting point is 00:23:15 Ukraine is now being accused of orchestrating the Capitol riot, which is a massive leap from what Laura Loomer said. This is how they try to debunk the narrative. They create a conspiracy theory that no one brought up and then claim it's obviously insane. Right? Yeah. Here's the tweet from Laura Loomer. She says during the private interview with America Shaman, the FBI asked him how he knew
Starting point is 00:23:38 a Ukraine operative who took a photo with him the day of J6. Chansley didn't know the guy. And the FBI confirmed Ukrainian Sergai. How do you pronounce his name? Dabinim been in something like that there's three y's that's a lot uh was ukrainian spy who was affiliated with the nazi as of battalion this means the u.s capital was penetrated by ukrainian spies well i don't know about spies but at least a spy and the u.s government fbi have still not arrested these people or made the public aware of the foreign penetration it's an act of war by ukraine against the united states and the U.S. government and FBI have still not arrested these people or made the public aware of the foreign penetration. It's an act of war by Ukraine against the United States.
Starting point is 00:24:06 And the U.S. government has sent $200 billion to Ukraine in the last two years. The CIA is funding a color revolution in the United States via Ukrainian Nazis and American Nazis who are being recruited by the CIA, etc., etc. I do think a lot of this is a bit of a stretch. I think there's a fair question of this does look like the same guy. Are we absolutely sure it is him is what they said that the fbi and the cia asked him about this guy being a right so i mean make of make of the you know extrapolation what you will but the fact that this guy was in our capital when all these other people are being charged with insurrection what do you call that that i mean that is at its core
Starting point is 00:24:42 an act of war if there was chinese spies doing that what we we know what we would call that that i mean that is at its core an act of war if there was chinese spies doing that what we we know what we would call that but because it's ukraine and ukraine is good we have to just sit here and accept it yeah he just wandered in he was a tourist there's he couldn't have been there for any other reason nothing could be malicious i mean that's this is the question about all of january 6th which is like we know the fbi had informants from proud boys or earth keepers or different groups we know that they had people on the ground that day we know the FBI had informants from Proud Boys or Oath Keepers or different groups. We know that they had people on the ground that day. We know that the mayor of D.C. and Nancy Pelosi were offered to have additional security and
Starting point is 00:25:12 support of the Capitol and that was turned down. So if the government intelligence communities knew this could potentially happen and it was such a big deal, why didn't they stop it? Why did they let it happen? For me, that's just evidence that it wasn't. I mean, one of my favorite lines from the opening statements for the Proud Boys trial was one of their lawyers, can't remember who at this moment, said, you know, she was reading these texts where these guys are saying, so what time should we meet up in the morning?
Starting point is 00:25:37 Where are you going to be? Like, they didn't have a plan. And she just said, this group couldn't organize a group order at McDonald's. Like, they did not plan an insurrection. They did not try to overthrow the u.s government but i think ultimately that's the narrative that you know our intelligence community really needed to be the case that's why they didn't intervene with theoretically they should have if they knew it was going to happen i do think things are going to get a lot crazier in 2024 i think it'll be more heavy-handed on on the side of the left. Seeing these far
Starting point is 00:26:07 leftists be criminally charged with domestic terror in Rico. Good. Interesting. They're criminals who stormed a government facility and firebombed buildings, houses, shot at cops. Yeah, they need to be locked up. The rioters in front of January 6th who are smashing things and trying to break their way in. Yeah, they should be criminally charged too, but that's what? 16 months for a violent riot and attacking cops, not 20 years. The heavy handedness is fairly obvious. The fact that Enrique Tarrio, according to the defense, they said he wasn't even in contact with them that day. They gave him 22 years. You know what I'll tell you is really interesting about this is that apparently there was a statement released by,
Starting point is 00:26:41 Tarrio gave a statement to the judge saying he regretted his actions. Do you see this? And that, you know, he was remorseful and he shouldn't have done it he said that he's not a political zealot he didn't even know that you could over you could change the results of an election and that you know he shouldn't have compared people to founding fathers or anything like that i think and then the judge apparently said he doesn't see any reason why enrique would be remorseful over his actions or actually believe it look man it's gonna get man, it's going to get crazier. In 2024, it will get crazier. We're already seeing a whole bunch of videos of people having their homes raided by feds.
Starting point is 00:27:13 Now, in 2023, two and a half years later, there's how many people were there at the Capitol? We know that people who wandered in clueless, you know, a few hours after the start of everything were criminally charged and sentenced to a year or more. We know that the people who are storming the front actually get engaged in violence, having criminal charged, criminally charged. But there are hundreds more, maybe even a thousand more who have not yet been charged, who were there. And we're starting to see these videos pop up. It seems that they waited until the start of the election cycle. Joe Biden just announced, I guess what he's doing,
Starting point is 00:27:47 a $25 million ad buy for the next campaign around the exact same time the fads are starting to raid more people for January 6th. And don't you forget it. There were a lot of media personalities, social media figures
Starting point is 00:27:59 who were cheering on what was going on outside of what Enrique Tarrio did. If they're claiming, I'll tell you this, you guys, if they're claiming Enrique Tarrio was organizing and inciting and encouraging it so that he gets 22 years, think about what's going to happen to the people who are on these alternative social media platforms
Starting point is 00:28:16 with thousands of viewers and they were saying more, more, more. Do you think that the feds are going to ignore that? No, I think next they're going to come for media personalities. We that james o'keefe is being investigated in new york not necessarily related to january 6th but i think a large component of what they're doing is going to be the people on social media encouraging it calling for more and cheering people on they're going to say we're part of a criminal conspiracy and they were they were inciting and they knew what they were doing etc yeah i mean, this case is precedent setting. I mean, so Judge Kelly, who was overseeing this trial,
Starting point is 00:28:51 said that he said this in all of the sentencings, but today he was specifically saying, our country needs a peaceful transfer of power and you broke our tradition of the peaceful transfer of power. And so he's basically saying, these are the people that ruined democracy, which seems bizarre to me because it seems obvious
Starting point is 00:29:08 that they did not actually have a plan to do anything. Yes, they were going to a rally. Yes, they were in D.C. Yes, things got out of hand. They might need to face some charges. But the idea that it was a conspiracy seems weak anyways. And in fact, we have had peaceful transfers of power since,
Starting point is 00:29:22 right? We had midterms elections. Nobody rioted at the Capitol when Congress was sworn in for the newest term. Like, it seems actually fine. You want it to be that there is more tension.
Starting point is 00:29:31 That's my editorial take on it, that there is a desire for there to be contention between differing political factions. And the only solution is we have to lock some of you up. Right. I mean, like I've been saying, if your politicians
Starting point is 00:29:44 can only campaign on, vote for me and I will go after your enemies, then that just continues is we have to lock some of you up. Right. I mean, like I've been saying, if your politicians can only campaign on vote for me and I will go after your enemies, then that just continues the escalation. By the way, is what I think Biden can only campaign on because we're about to have loan debt repayments. He couldn't get those wiped away. We're about to have I mean, inflation is not great. We have tons of millennials who are saying I would love to buy a home and I cannot. Biden is not um a healthy person he is polls consistently show people think he is too old to run again he is the oldest sitting president in our nation's history i think he is actually very weak going into this campaign and that's why
Starting point is 00:30:16 magically this timing all lines up where trump trump's indictment the proud boy results i mean all of this is happening at once i got my my bribe from the Biden administration over the weekend. I got a letter that says they forgave $7,000 of student loan debt. I didn't ask. I didn't sign up for it. I didn't want it. And they did it anyway, because it had been 21 years. The debt's older than 20 years.
Starting point is 00:30:37 So they just wiped it off. And just such a bribe. I mean, it's just disgusting. I thought there was programs like that that have existed for a while, for like a decade at least. There's been programs to help people who are lower income or whatever the circumstances may be to help with student loans. So that's like, I know that's been a big point of contention with people who are now finding fault with Biden's plan because they're like, there's programs to help us. They already exist. We're already doing handouts.
Starting point is 00:31:00 He just wants the feather in his cap. He wants to say, I'm the president that did this. Yeah, he wants the feather in his cap he wants to say i'm the president that did this yeah yes he wants the bribe well let's talk about this next story from cnn outside of the criminal charges and prosecutions we're saying there is another path the democrats may take to try and win in 2024 and that is mandates and lockdowns first from cnn first lady jill biden tests positive for covet 19 and i have to wonder why report this story? Why did the White House think it necessary to tell the world they could have just done nothing? They could have said, you know, Jill's taking a vacation. No, they wanted the world to know that she is positive for COVID-19.
Starting point is 00:31:36 Well, a lot of people immediately speculated this is it. It's how they reintroduce COVID politically at the start of the election cycle. Guess what, everybody? Joe Biden announced something like $25 million ad spend. It is beginning. You're going to start seeing all the news stories get planted. You're going to see political contention. You're going to see criminal charges. You're going to see conspiracy theories. You are going to see it all because after this, we got another story. Biden tests negative for COVID, will wear mask when close to others, White House says, and thus begins the normalization of everyone wearing masks again. Now, Joe Biden will be wearing masks in all of his videos.
Starting point is 00:32:12 We've already are on the videos that he's in all the press statements and everything he gives. You've already got schools and hospitals bringing back masks. Now the president is doing it. And lastly, Dr. Fauci concerned people won't comply if masking recommendations return. I hope they abide. I love the story because Fauci was saying the CDC doesn't mandate masks. And what he said was they recommend them. It's actually the states or the private sector that mandate the masks. So when we talk about mandates coming back, y'all need to understand it is going to be the chain store or restaurant that says, based on the recommendation by the CDC, you now must wear a mask when you come into our store. That is how they will bring back mandates. And they will say it wasn't us who did it.
Starting point is 00:33:04 We didn't lock you down the stores are choosing to do it yep a keyword private sector right the airlines are gonna implement this when the government says oh remember the last time we bailed you out not gonna happen again unless you uh make some changes to your policies so the private sector has the is their arms being bent by the biden administration so that's their tool to you know enforce and get these things through to the general public tucker carlson said he doesn't think that they're going to do the mandates again but uh more and more evidence starting to pile up that they're gearing up for lockdowns now the other news of course ladies and gentlemen this
Starting point is 00:33:39 may come as a shock to many of you whoopi goldberg was absent from View. That's right. And because she tested positive for COVID. There was a second one, too. One of the other ones tested positive, apparently. What if all The View ladies have to quarantine because they have COVID? What do they do then? Let me play the video for you guys. We have this from ALX on Twitter. Listen to the reaction by the audience of The View when they get the news that whoopi has covid and
Starting point is 00:34:05 joy behar claims it's back um as you can see whoopi is not here she has covid yes it's back it's back it's back but she's on the men she's on the tail end and she's probably back this week but sorry she's not here for those of you who are looking forward to seeing her it's back they never left it's endemic back like they made a point of saying it was endemic like it's here forever so there it is you know i just feel like the culture war is divided amongst people who seek out information to challenge their views for the most part not always and those who desperately don't want their views challenged at all and just want to be told what to do.
Starting point is 00:34:45 The people watch the view. They just want to be told what to do, what to think, what to feel. Just tell me when to jump. I don't know. I want to fit in. It'll be easy. And then everyone else is like, let me figure it out for myself. You brought up the point from Tucker Carlson that he does not believe that mandates are going to come back he did say that he'd be willing to bet his house that we're going to enter a hot war with russia and that biden's going to use that as footing for
Starting point is 00:35:08 the election to manipulate control however you know they see best fit but i'd rather have this i don't i don't want to have anything but i'd rather have this than hot war with russia yeah i think both might be true yeah it could be i mean if if we get involved in hot war with russia hold on let's slow down even tucker did says we are at war with russia that we understand but like a formal actual confrontation you know full scale or whatever if that is to happen that's what they'll do to try and win yes and if that does happen where biden comes out there's gonna have to be some kind of attack on america it's gonna have to be whatever whatever may be a legitimate maybe a false flag i'm saying before the u.s can actually formally engage in any way
Starting point is 00:35:49 i'm not saying formally declare but engage there's got to be some public support that results in a lockdown they will have to control things with an iron fist in this country if they're going to engage in direct conflict with russia but i don't know if they can i mean if that was an audience of just average americans when uh the the ginger lady when she said you know it's back you would have heard average americans laugh that's what you would have heard that's not your average american right there so how do you how do you impose that if most of america is not on board i guess it's a question of will enough people just ignore it or not is fauci are his fears correct that people will not comply if look i gotta tell you out in west virginia you know if they if they that's
Starting point is 00:36:31 just not gonna work you're not gonna get it it's not gonna happen they can try in maryland yeah in maryland it'll definitely happen because the people in maryland it's just it really is interesting this divide there are a lot of people in Western Maryland who are, you know, it's MAGA country. But then you go to the businesses and they are on their knees begging, begging the government to tell them what to do. And it's just like weird. You cross that river and then they're just like, we don't care what you do. It's just very different cultures that live next door to each other. Perhaps it's because, you know, Baltimore, more resources, resources more money more likely to be enforced people are terrified west virginia
Starting point is 00:37:09 yeah you're not really gonna see heavy enforcement so people just do whatever they want and say i don't care dude do something when we when during the lockdowns and the mandates i went to uh uh maryland's panhandle there was a bar in the middle knowing that a sign on the door being like you know masks are required as per state regulation or whatever. And then you walk in, no one's wearing a mask. And the bartender's just like washing a mug and he's like looking left and right, like shrugging, like whatever, dude, nobody cares.
Starting point is 00:37:35 But the closer you get to DC, the more the businesses are terrified, screaming at you and kicking you out. I think it happens. I like the conservative boomers during the mask mandate period because I knew so many would wear like, terrified screaming at you and kicking you out i think it happens i like they want to lock down the conservative boomers during the mass mandate period because i knew so many who would wear like a mask off their ear and be like they said i had to wear it but i don't want to like there was this funny resistance around certain there were certain people who complied they wanted you to wear four
Starting point is 00:37:58 masks and then there were other people who were like this is dumb and i don't want to be doing it and how effective can these masks really be uh i think some of the issue will come down to the state governors. I think we I mean, one of the reasons we all know Ron DeSantis's name is because he was like, yeah, we're not doing this. And he deserves a lot of credit for that. I think this time around, if there were to be some sort of pressure for mandates, there would be a lot of governors who now see that if they say no, they are putting themselves in favor of the majority of their constituents. It's all about the vision, you know, in the lead up to, you know, 2020. East Tennessee did not look like Portland. You know, there was not the same protest there. And it's all about the vision. And this time they're probably going to have some sort of a
Starting point is 00:38:41 lockdown or mandate or whatever. But it's going to be by area to create division and just cause unrest and chaos right before the election again i'd love to see uh the inter u.s migration change too like if there is a second lockdown that was one of the biggest trends i mean u-haul was constantly reporting this that the the places people were leaving were places that were more interested in enforcing mandates. I mean, this could be a way that especially rural states see a population boom that they are not expected to get. But it's very hard with the economy the way it is and these interest rates. How are you supposed to leave right now? I'm not saying it's easy.
Starting point is 00:39:15 I'm just saying there are people who will be like, I'm not doing this again. This is worth the investment. Well, I think it was very easy to say that the first time around with the housing market just being an absolute boom. Now, it's much harder. I shouldn't say it was very easy to say that the first time around with the housing market just being an absolute boom. Now, it's much harder. I shouldn't say it's very hard. Everyone's got different circumstance. But it's a lot harder than just be like, all right, here we go to West Virginia.
Starting point is 00:39:34 A lot of people are going to be stuck in areas that have mandates. We saw a lot of people leave places like California and New York and Illinois and go to Texas and Florida. I'm wondering how that affects their state. These states are not swing states by any stretch of the imagination. I wonder if, you know, Texas was turning purple. Now it's red.
Starting point is 00:39:56 Florida, the same thing. New York, Illinois, and California were never going to be red. So these moves they're making are actually helping Donald Trump. And Trump only lost 2020 by 42,000 votes votes between three states if more people start moving to i don't know wisconsin georgia or what's it what's the other what's the third state arizona i don't see how trump loses i i mean look californians are moving to arizona and these and these are more moderate
Starting point is 00:40:20 to left-leaning people who are fleeing their own policies and they're going to bring it to arizona and they're going to vote in to make things worse wisconsin i'm wondering are people from chicago leaving and then going to wisconsin voting for the same thing there's that famous tweet where the guy was like i'm leaving finally finally i'm leaving california it's bad i'm going to florida and then people were like you're going to florida but ronda henson is bad like oh don't worry i'll keep voting the same way it's like oh okay and then you're going to turn florida into california yeah thanks so much for your support yep when it comes to these uh the talk of government mandates i feel like this is once a body develops an immune response to a virus it just is totally
Starting point is 00:40:55 ready for that virus the next time it comes around in this mind virus of everybody get ready to be afraid get ready to hide in your house from this invisible thing like people are immune it doesn't doesn't mean that we're impervious to it, but people are done with it. They're done with the bullshit. They're done with being told what to do. They're done with fucking sitting in their house, being told they can't go outside. They've had it. This society is resilient. I'm not convinced.
Starting point is 00:41:17 I witnessed it when I would go to D.C. or Frederick in Maryland, and you would see these businesses drop to their knees in two seconds. Perhaps the people who moved feel the way you're describing it, Ian. But now those people are in Florida, and they're in Texas, and they're in West Virginia. The people who stayed are going to do the exact same thing. Govern me harder, Daddy. I was very positively influenced by being at the airport and seeing how few people actually had masks a couple weeks ago yes but there's no
Starting point is 00:41:50 mandates there's like six people there's no mandates i was at the library of congress today and they have the big rotunda where you know only researchers are allowed no one's really allowed in there with all the the books and documents and stuff there was only three people in that massive area now these are supposed to be like smart intelligent ivy league people that get to go into that room two out of the three had masks on so bizarre it's insane every one of those people in the view they're saying oh no the mandates are coming back covid's coming back but i guarantee you they went home and started to pull up recipes for you know homemade you know loaves of bread again as they're waving their ukraine flags it's like these people are happy they want to see it happen
Starting point is 00:42:29 because they love the control people that are really intelligent but very low wisdom they're very good at being told what to do and immediately doing what they're told and mimicking and remembering and then you know playing back i i'm very good at this see now reward me i'm very good at doing what i'm told those are that's the danger of intelligence dude if people love ratting on their neighbors people in these cities are going to are going to be vile they're going to join the mob and if the mob says mask they're going to say mask and then they're going to celebrate anybody who dying who doesn't stuff to make this conversation from the top i mean just to top down like talk about other people because i i think people my guess is that if anyone feels as
Starting point is 00:43:10 remotely as fed up with it as i do that there's no way in hell this is going to get off the ground again i barely had to touch the masks people people people didn't like it in the first place yeah but they thought they were doing good in the first place now they know there was fear i mean people were told if you come anywhere near your grandmother, she'll immediately die. That was like an insane amount of information. It's not even that. It's that the government came and issued fines and arrested people. A woman who is selling products from her store on the Internet, on Facebook, had the cops show up and threaten her with charges unless she stopped doing Facebook Live.
Starting point is 00:43:50 The reason these people cave and gave up is not because all of them are celebrating. It's because these cops are going to come and they're going to beat the crap out of you. There's a salon. How many salon owners? Like two or three got arrested? A guy giving haircuts in Michigan got arrested. A woman in, what was it? She fled Minnesota to Iowa and then the sheriff tracked her down and arrested her because she opened her
Starting point is 00:44:07 coffee shop during lockdowns. There will be some people but that terrifies people. So you go to these big cities where it takes one guy to destroy your life by destroying your business and these people will drop to their knees in two seconds
Starting point is 00:44:23 and say, we will do whatever you say government except the government really fucked up last time the cops going in there it pisses me off so much i get it man the the cops would go in there and be like you can't open your business the people be like yeah i can and they'd be like no in fact we're doing what's good for you we're shutting your business down the person like now i'm out of money the cops like good we've done our job like that doesn't you can't you can't do that to someone twice you cannot they've already you've already shocked everybody away but the cops uh either quit or fired the the ones that were on the side of freedom i'll say right i mean we had mandates not just to wear masks but also to get the vaccine so it's like a lot of people said no and they lost
Starting point is 00:45:05 their job over it those cops are gone we don't have them the cops that are still employed are ones that are just doing it for a paycheck or said yes government i'll do whatever you want look at these videos of how they arrest these j6ers it's like there's some just like a dude there's like a video of a guy going to a grocery store or something. And they run up with like rifles pointed at him. Like, dude, these are drone Gestapo morons working for these agencies. They don't care. They don't know. It feels good to be in charge of you.
Starting point is 00:45:36 It feels good to them. I mean, these are people who are not satisfied by their own accomplishments. They're satisfied by feeling like they can do whatever they want to you. So what ends up happening is you get a small business and they might say something to you like, I really hate it, but I have no choice. They're going to find me. That's what everyone kept saying. And I see this now. We talk about it quite a bit. James O'Keefe had a really great tweet and he posted it on Instagram and he said, you are responsible for whatever life your children inherit, that all of these people who are saying, I can't stand up for what I believe in because I have kids and they're putting my kids at risk. Then you are directly responsible for what the
Starting point is 00:46:14 lives your children inherit when they are living under the boot of communists who are laughing at them, the party members who get special favors or food. it's going to be because you allow this by saying, you know, I'll just comply. I'll just give in. I'm not saying I have all the answers. I think typically, you know, I think come 2024, the reason we're seeing a lot of this extreme action is because Donald Trump's right as of right now, if the election were held today, Trump wins. That's what the polls are saying right now. That's what the analytics are saying. That's what the forecast models are saying. It doesn't mean he does win, but that's why you're seeing the machine of the Democrats panic and need something to force people into fear or,
Starting point is 00:46:58 you know, I guess more extreme action. When I look at these videos of the J sixers being, having the feds come up and point guns at them, I'm like, they're hoping for some kind of reaction from these people. Don't give it to them. All you gotta do is just make money, succeed, push back and resist where you can, and then make sure you're spreading the word as much as
Starting point is 00:47:18 possible. There are a lot of people who are like, there's this weird game where they're saying, Tim's saying not to do anything. No, I'm quite literally saying resist where possible, succeed, make money, build influence, build culture, and then come 2024, get everyone you can to vote in overwhelming numbers. Trump only needs 42,000 votes and Biden's going to lose a lot more than that. That's not a guarantee that Trump fixes anything. It's not a guarantee that Trump actually comes and saves the day at all. But it is a start.
Starting point is 00:47:46 I think that's what they fear. That's why they want a reaction. And you can't give it to them. Yeah, we got to govern ourselves outside of politics. That's for sure. Ian, I got a question. If you've been traveling a lot all over the country recently with, you know, let's say for this year so far in 2023, what happens if they start bringing start bringing you know they bring back mask mandates for trains and planes what i'm curious to how you'd handle it
Starting point is 00:48:09 because it would derail your life or you'd have to comply well i i try not to answer questions with premises i don't agree with and i feel like accepting the premise that there's going to be a shutdown if this makes it more likely i just stopped different from mask man i just stopped flying i'm almost i'm about ready to stop traveling anyway but yeah i'll just completely stop shut down private only you know a lockdown a covid lockdown is very different from mask mandates the mask mandates seem very likely there are still businesses all over maryland with signs saying you must wear masks and those colleges in atlanta were like please put a mask on i mean there, some institutions are already rolling it out in some capacity.
Starting point is 00:48:47 So it doesn't seem impossible that it'll spread. I just think it'll be very regional. I think that there will be, you know, certain sectors of the country that say yes and certain that say no. And, you know, I hope that everyone gets to live in a community that reflects their values. And I think Tim's totally right.
Starting point is 00:49:03 It's sort of like testing the boundaries. There's going to be a push to see what you will be okay with and what your reaction would be. And you have to just stay in control as much as possible. It'll be interesting because I think if the Biden,
Starting point is 00:49:13 Biden already saying he's wearing masks, it does please a lot of partisan liberal types, but it will push away moderates and independents. So in that regard, I don't know how this plan is ultimately going to help them unless they're using it to ramp up some kind of new expansive voting policy for 2024 it is kind of late though we're a few months away from 2024 and the the election cycle has already begun so any rule changes will have to come they can do it quick they can do it quick
Starting point is 00:49:43 new zealand australia whatever they they had those uh covid camps blink of an eye you know will have to come really quick. They can do it quick. New Zealand, Australia, whatever, they had those COVID camps, blink of an eye. You know, things could change very quickly. I want to jump to this next story from Newsweek. Russian state TV threatens nuclear strike on US. Oh boy. Well, Tucker Carlson said they're not going to bring back mandates or lockdowns. They already did that.
Starting point is 00:50:02 The next way that they gain control over the US, they're going to start a hot war with Russia. i think it's fair tucker does mention this we're at war with russia and anybody saying otherwise is lying u.s personnel is on the are on the ground volunteers they're using u.s equipment they're trained by nato they're trained by the u.s they're provided intelligence by the u.s missiles by the u. U.K. sending depleted uranium tank busters. Yeah, it is NATO versus Russia. It's a proxy war. Well, now we have this story.
Starting point is 00:50:31 This could be Newsweek and Western media trying to ramp up fear that there is a reason to go to war with Russia. I'll give you the long story short of it. You have this guy. It's Korchenko, right? Yes. Editor of the newspaper National Defense. He basically said,
Starting point is 00:50:51 Russia is being warned and threatened that if we misbehave or if, you know, Ben Hodge's opinion, we exceed what he considers to be the necessary permissible lines. For the use of all types of Russian weapons, he threatens us with more
Starting point is 00:51:02 than just strikes on the Crimean Bridge. He responds by basically saying, if you engage in war with us, we will not go to war with the U.S. in Europe. We will go to war with the U.S. on U.S. territory. He says, in response to your attacks on Russian military
Starting point is 00:51:18 or civilian facilities, the first strike will be a preventative limited strike against targets on the territory of the United States of America. I think it's BS. They point out in Newsweek and a couple other outlets, the most effective way to use nuclear weapons by the Russians is to claim they have them, and that's it. But it makes no sense to target U.S. civilian territorial targets, because all that would do is make their position in Eastern Europe worse.
Starting point is 00:51:44 I agree. Russia has no reason to do this. This is some random guy that goes on Russian state TV. Maybe he's looking for a better paying job and he's trying to come out and say it. But the fact of the matter is Russia controls 87,000 square kilometers of Ukrainian territory. The ratio of Russian troops to Ukrainian troops loss is insane. Ukraine's lost 400 000 plus men russia maybe 150 000 they have no reason to do something as extreme as this and that really wouldn't be in putin's you know line of governance either let's uh let's make all of the corporate
Starting point is 00:52:16 media outlets uh happy and give them an article to write about yeah what's the likelihood you think that the u.s would engage in a false flag to justify expansive uh expanding the war in ukraine i think they already did i mean that was 2014 when the maidan massacre took place the western press all said it was a bunch of uh you know ukrainian government yanukovych aligned individuals that rained down with sniper fire on the protesters in maidan square 12 years later we learned that it was actually georgian legion snipers that were out there nine years nine years nine years later 2014 and 2015 nine years later it was georgian snipers that were out there at the behest of the ukrainian now new ukrainian government you know we know that for sure i've not heard that yeah canadian
Starting point is 00:53:01 researcher look him up he did the study it It was Georgian snipers that did it. Also, in Oliver Stone's documentary, he touched on that subject. But the snipers were firing from the buildings around Maidens Square that were controlled by the A's of aligned individuals within the grab for power. So here's all I can say as to that claim western media outlets say that it's propaganda issued by russia and russian outlets say it's confirmed so this is war it's war who you say people will die yeah but just like the idea that uh i will say it's it's not above any warring nation to engage in a false flag especially as it pertains to overthrowing a government. The U.S. is going to claim and Western powers are going to claim this is what the Russian-aligned government was doing.
Starting point is 00:53:53 And Russia is going to claim it was Western forces trying to overthrow the government and stall their puppet. And then also, I mean, look at this. You have the, you know, I won't give my full opinion on YouTube, but you have the Nord Stream pipeline incident. And you had everyone in the West who's saying that was Russia. It was definitely Russia. And I think everyone knows who it really was. You can look at the the Kremlin drone attack. They were saying that was a false flag by Russia.
Starting point is 00:54:16 Then we turn to find out that the Ukrainian government put a postage stamp out celebrating a Ukrainian soldier flying the drone over the kremlin and bombing it i mean the list goes on i'm sure russia maybe they this is war let's let's happen but absolutely let's clear we have this from the washington post u.s had intelligence of detailed ukrainian plan to attack nord stream pipeline the cia learned last june via a european spy agency that a six-person team of ukrainian special operations forces intended to sabotage the russian to germany natural gas project they claimed over and over and over again that russia did it they even speculated that russia could have dropped a bomb through the pipeline so when it got to that point it blew up which makes literally no sense russia vladimir putin being like i have the perfect way to defeat my enemies i'll blow up my own oil pipeline what didn't make any sense and yet this
Starting point is 00:55:03 was the all of the western media was like that's the only explanation russia must have done it and then slowly it sort of sort of came out that oh actually that's this thing that seems improbable is actually probably not true yeah it was a it you know it was what it was whoever did it i mean that's the cia washington post saying it was ukraine who did it seymour hirsch has other ideas you know Biden administration but at its core what happened with that I mean it was an escalation of war it prevented Germany from being able to negotiate with the Russians by turning the taps back on for the Nord Stream pipeline and it made a real big issue for Europe they had to buy Russian liquefied natural gas they bought 40 percent more liquefied natural
Starting point is 00:55:46 gas from russia in the eu over the past year so i mean it just caused prices to go up you have the german economy you have the french economy of the italian economy that are all in shambles right now europe is in an inflationary crisis they're about to be in a recession germany's already in a recession i mean it's quite clear what's happening. What do you think is the ideal circumstance right now related to the war in Ukraine? Like how a peace deal resolution? Yeah. But what is it? Well, I mean, I think I think if you listen to Putin, which no one in the Western press and Western governments, they try not to, you know, i think he's quite clear about the fact that
Starting point is 00:56:25 this 87 000 square kilometers of territory they've already taken is formerly now part of the russian federation and it should be respected as such the former french president has come out last week and said that you know there should be formal referendums in these regions to actually decide whether or not they want to join russia we've already seen these elections though and they they weren't internationally regulated but these people said they want to join Russia. We've already seen these elections, though, and they weren't internationally regulated, but these people said they wanted to join the Russian Federation. And I think Russia is not going to stop and try for a peace deal again until they get Nikolaev and Odessa, which will landlock Ukraine, and also get the Kharkov region in the northeast.
Starting point is 00:56:58 I think once they get that, maybe they'll try to push for peace proposals again. But until then, I mean, it's going to be it's going to be the same old, same old people, unfortunately, are going to die because no one in the West is serious about pushing for peace. Can I ask what are the major differences between Soviet Union and modern day Russia? Well, the main differences, I think, I don't know, I think the Soviet Union was pretty base. But I think that the Russian economy today, if you look at the economy, if you talk about that, what is the basis of the Russian economy? Well, you know, Soviet Union at its start, the country was at its knees. You had basically a feudal society and the Soviet Union took it from took it from its knees to a war superpower, won the Second World War at the cost of 27 million people.
Starting point is 00:57:47 But it also centralized the important sectors of government. And we're seeing that in Russia today. Instead of in the United States where we have all these rapacious private companies that are hoarding our resources, hoarding our oil, hoarding our gas, hoarding our coal, whatever. In Russia, they have it under a public structure you know it's under the government and they can actually you know utilize these systems to benefit the people and negotiate with other countries like bricks partners and terms that are going to be beneficial to the russian economy and the central bank and that's what's happening with bricks you know they're they're expanding very fast this is this is this is this this
Starting point is 00:58:23 matters a lot pull up check take a look at this from the BBC. Russian military control. Look at this. They have going all the way down to Kursin, nearly to Odessa, all of Crimea and everything is under Russian military control. We keep getting told, or we've been told over and over again,
Starting point is 00:58:41 that the Ukrainians are pushing back, but it really feels like what they're doing is, every 10 10 conflicts that arise let's say 10 battles ukraine wins one that gets reported in the press and so everything we hear is like their their counteroffensive is working they're gaining ground this is crazy and not anybody who's been keeping track of this i mean look as russia's basically won they've taken the donbass they've taken the land bridge to crimea they've got it and it's not over yet and not just that but the cities that ukraine is taking uh if you look at the pre-war populations for these cities it's like it's like 50 homes 400 people maybe a few farms it's nothing uh in this big counter offensive that we put all this money to
Starting point is 00:59:21 ukraine hasn't even reached the first line of russian defense fortifications they have three lines of defense fortifications that they've been building up since last november behind those three lines they have tens of thousands of reservists and then back in russia they have even more reservist soldiers than russian soldiers in the whole of ukraine right now so it's only going to go in one way it's going to go i guess two ways maybe however russia wants this to end or mutually assured destruction whatever whatever happened with the bakhmut situation because i know that just was in the news for the ukraine war for a while and now progosion which i'm also curious to your thoughts about how that's all played out what's the deal with bakhmut because i feel like we've almost seen a stalemate there's been no progress either way at least someone from as
Starting point is 01:00:05 a casual observer of what's been happening in the war so yeah i'm curious to your thoughts uh wagner under the leadership of progosian uh so when he was still alive you know months ago they they fully liberated the city they took it 100 so none of it remains in ukrainian control there's still some firefighting on like the flanks the outside regions of bakhmut or artimovsk and uh basically what's going to happen over the next several months is the russians are about to start an offensive of their own because they defeated the counter-offensive from ukraine they're going to focus on the flanks of bakhmut they're going to focus on maybe hursan and they're definitely going to focus on taking back the whole strip of land in the northeast the harkov region
Starting point is 01:00:44 they're going to probably take all of that back and then we'll have some down period and then next spring is when you're going to have the large blow out of the russian soldiers pushing in the south all the way through herson to odessa they're going to completely landlock it and take all of that okay that's kind of crazy to see you know because i've not been actively tracking the maps of control but they kept saying that that Ukraine's winning, Russia's losing, they're on the verge of defeat. They kept saying that Russia is suffering massive casualties. And now, like, let's operate the assumption that the reporting about massive Russian casualties was correct and Ukraine was winning. How does Russia now have total military military control of the land bridge to Crimea and then some?
Starting point is 01:01:24 And it's not like this is, you know, under contest in mariupol russia's already gone in they've built new schools new grocery stores new hospitals they've built free apartments for the people there they're happy you know and and the the numbers are lies as i'm sure you know we can all assume they lie about everything in the mainstream press i mean ukraine's law it's it's like a generation of men 400 000 men russia's got four times the population of ukraine how could anyone ever expect that ukraine was going to win i saw a meme that could be propaganda who knows and it was a 4chan green text where it was a ukrainian dude and he was like you know one year ago i'm about i'm i'm engaged about to get married i'm working at my job making an okay wage everything's fine he was like, you know, one year ago, I'm I'm I'm engaged, about to get married. I'm working at my job, making an OK wage.
Starting point is 01:02:07 Everything's fine. He's like today, log on to social media and see my my fiance dancing in a slutty dress in Germany, having a party at a rave. And I just got my draft papers. I'm to be sent to the front lines where I'll probably die. Why is my life like this? The people, people there. I mean. I got to be honest, the people I knew fled.
Starting point is 01:02:28 The people that I knew from Ukraine aren't there anymore. And they're posting pictures on the beach and other places. And I'm just like, what is Russia? Russia's moving in. They're taking. And I'm just seeing the media lie
Starting point is 01:02:39 about what's going on every step of the way. How do we end this and just say enough? Because at this point, I don't see an argument based on this map for russia gives up territory at one in a military conflict you lost perhaps a piece still could have happened a long time ago before boris johnson destroyed it and then you
Starting point is 01:02:56 could have actually preserved some of this land under ukrainian control or prevented the death of people and seeded it in the first place i don't see how this ends well for the rest of ukraine or for nato i do honestly think that if if u.s interests and nato refuse to let go of this it's going to escalate into a more direct conflict i think it depends on who gets elected trump said he sounds insane when he says i'm going to end the war in 24 hours right i believe it but yeah of course we believe it because if you withhold funding for ukraine their government collapses in hours their government employees their soldiers their pensions their firefighters their police the corrupt people you know stripping people off the streets to go on the front they're all funded by
Starting point is 01:03:41 the u.s taxpayers so they collapse within hours if we stop and trump said he's going to put a peace deal for it if ukraine doesn't like it that's the end i i think that the moment they announced trump as the projected winner russia immediately says cease fire because we know what happens when trump comes in and we want good faith efforts to put an end to this and i think ukraine agrees knowing their funding is about to end and it's time to find a safe way to retreat. Donald Trump gets on the phone. I bet the moment Trump wins,
Starting point is 01:04:13 he's on the phone saying, once I'm officially in and hands on the Bible, this is done. I bet they'll try and get him on the Logan Act or something before he's brought into office. They'll try and stop it. But I think the moment Trump is in office, he gets on the phone and says, there's no more war.
Starting point is 01:04:28 We're negotiating tonight. I'm flying out. He flies out. It's over. Like you said, the U.S. cuts off funding to Ukraine. There's no war anymore. Yeah. Either that or it continues to escalate, as you said.
Starting point is 01:04:39 I mean, the Russians, there are 27 million people serious to protecting their civilization. That's how many they roughly lost in world war ii and they see this as a similar threat so they've lost 100 000 men so far who cares i mean that's sad that's terrible but they're willing to go a lot further to protect their country their civilization and their their land than 100 000 men and they have the population and resources to commit to that. We've heard what we've heard from the press, the corporate press in the United States, is that
Starting point is 01:05:09 Leonard Putin's evil, and he's like Hitler, he wants to steal land. That seems a bit one-dimensional, even if that is the case, and you genuinely believe Putin is just evil and says, now's my chance to steal land, there is a goal to the land they're taking and a strategic value to what they're doing. We don't hear it that often in the general messaging from the press,
Starting point is 01:05:27 much like with the war in Iraq. They hate us for our freedoms, which was completely meaningless to people who paid attention. But sure, work for those who didn't. I'm curious, from your point of view, why did Russia invade and what is their goal? And what are they ultimately hoping to achieve now? To put it as quickly as possible ukraine is not a sovereign country it it's just not a real country anymore it wasn't since the u.s came in and toppled their government in 2014 you have a sovereign government
Starting point is 01:05:55 topple your your country do away with any form of you know elected representation say this guy's leading your country now if you don't like it you know they're going to stick these azovite or right sector thugs on you in the donbass they killed 15 000 individuals in the fighting many of whom were civilians in the donbass from 2014 when the coup took place in 2022 the communist party of the russian federation is the second largest party in russia they were begging putin to go in and save these people in the donbass for the past eight years they were saying you're insane why are you doing anything? Why are you withholding energy to Ukraine? Why are you doing something? So they were very critical. The other fact here is that in 1991, Secretary of State James Baker said NATO is not going to extend
Starting point is 01:06:37 one inch east pass of Germany. They violated that promise, I think like 16 or 18 times now. They got all the way to ukraine that was the red line boom i mean that that's that and uh the the violence didn't stop the escalation continued up until the week in which this war started but again i don't think this war started on february 24 2022 i think it started back in 2014 when a foreign government came in seized power and started to commit violence against any dissidents in the state of Ukraine. But is that, do you think that the goal of Russia is to oust the Ukrainian government and to establish like a legitimate government, or is it actually to
Starting point is 01:07:16 control the land into Crimea? That's what it strikes me that that's what they're looking to get. I think multiple things can be true at once you can also acknowledge that the land that russia sees it's resource rich that's 12.4 million or 12.4 trillion dollars in resources in that 87 000 square kilometers so multiple things can be true at once but yeah i think the end goal here is to have a government in kiev that is not backing nazi thugs that are killing people in the donbass and i think yanukovych was a guy who was cooed. He wasn't explicitly pro-Russian, but he was also looking at EU contracts, doing deals with the EU and integration with the EU.
Starting point is 01:07:55 I think Russia just wants someone that's going to be fair in there. But if it comes to force and forcibly putting someone in, I think we can all assume it's going to be someone who is going to be pro-Russian. Do they ever talk publicly about their war goal the russian federation of course what is their stated goal uh stated goal is denazification of ukraine uh do away with all these you know these nazi battalions nazi political parties from 2014 to 2018 there was a good deal of nazis within the ukrainian government 2018 onward it wasn't the case but the chair of the vikov narada in ukraine from 2014 to 2018 uh he was a self i mean self-described nazi this guy said well i don't know if i should say that here i'm not going
Starting point is 01:08:38 to say it but you can look it up online for yourself uh these are people who really profess these views you see the videos that laura loomer posted in in orlando this week of these guys with swastika chains and they're saying you know we support joe biden because he's sending rockets to the ukrainians these are the guys that are fighting over there these are guys in government and they're for kovnerata and they're trying to strip the russians of their ability to speak russian in russia all that stuff right so denazification demilitarization is the other goal stated goal of the russians that's just simply dealing with nato and saying you can't
Starting point is 01:09:10 come over here you can't put nukes right on our border with they're going to be so close you know they said that the us said that during the cuban missile crisis that the nukes in cuba or the missiles in cuba that was you know a threat those were putting missiles right in our backyard well i mean like if you look at ukraine they're how close they are to russia i mean it's right on the border and you're going to put nukes there that's basically putting nukes in someone's living room how do you think this ends however russia wants it then based on well so what does that mean does Does that mean Russia takes all of Ukraine? I think if the warmongers keep doing what they're doing,
Starting point is 01:09:50 you're going to have Poland that move, because they're building up Poland as an economic power. They're trying to topple Germany, France, Italy. They're restructuring the EU. Poland's going to move into Western Ukraine, Lviv, with the consent of the U.S. and the deep state. Russia will take, again, if this happens, Russia will take everything, including Kiev.
Starting point is 01:10:08 And, you know, Kievan Rus', it used to be Russian. Yeah. So it could happen. Right on. Well, let's... I was just going to ask where Zelensky goes, but we can move on. I mean, a prison, I'm imagining.
Starting point is 01:10:20 We take him as a refugee because he's on this, like, PR tour, you know? Hollywood. He's an actor. Yeah. Sure. But's an actor. Yeah. Sure. But let's jump to this next story with a hard segue. Axios reports Elon Musk threatens to sue the ADL after blaming it for X ad sales slump.
Starting point is 01:10:36 The long story short is that he said that ad revenue is still down by 60% primarily due to pressure on advertisers by the Anti-Defamation League. That's what advertisers tell us. So now he's talking about potentially suing the ADL and this is big. Part of this, Elon Musk has said there will be a data dump on all communications between the ADL and Twitter before he took over.
Starting point is 01:10:57 Holy crap. If there are people who ran businesses on Twitter, who use Twitter for a marketing tool or for awareness building, whatever, that's real monetary value. And if the ADL contacted Twitter to have them banned, I'd argue there's a very strong tortious interference claim.
Starting point is 01:11:13 And if Elon Musk releases all the communications the ADL had with Twitter, the ADL thought it was safe. We talked to Twitter. We tell them, hey, this person should be banned. Twitter says, okay, they get banned. ADL is not scared that Twitter would ever leak those communications. Elon Musk buys Twitter, and now he can open the floodgates.
Starting point is 01:11:30 If he releases these communications, the ADL could be sued into oblivion by every account. Your username could have been MagaTrumpForLife773 whatever, with underscore seven, and you have like your avatar was just a cartoon of trump
Starting point is 01:11:46 they go to twitter and say ban this person and you can argue they're interfering interfering they're defaming me and they're interfering in my agreement that i have with twitter that i'm using for my business or whatever it may be now that may be a bit of a stretch but there are a lot of accounts that had a hundred thousand followers that made money on the platform either selling t-shirts or doing streams or collecting donations. And their business was destroyed by the ADL interfering in the existing agreement they had with Twitter. In fact, if you look at Alex Berenson, this one's really interesting. Not that the ADA comes in to play a role here. This is the government. But this is a guy who
Starting point is 01:12:20 has, I don't know if at the time he had a Substack, but presumably you're selling subscriptions on Substack. The government comes in and says, ban this guy, even though he didn't break any rules. who has, I don't know if at the time he had a sub stack, but presumably you're selling subscriptions on sub stack. The government comes in and says, ban this guy, even though he didn't break any rules. So what happens? He files a lawsuit. He wins. His account gets reinstated.
Starting point is 01:12:33 Imagine all of the accounts targeted by the ADL who did not break the rules, but got taken down because the ADL threatened to lie about Twitter and claim they were sowing hate or whatever. Elon Musk about to open the floodgates again. This could be really, really big. I hope he does, Sue.
Starting point is 01:12:47 I think that's one of the best things that could happen. I think one of the kryptonites of the American social media general culture is that there are people who can say, this person is bad and you should never speak to them. You should never have them on your platform. And that can have a rippling effect. I maybe it's an anonymous account but maybe it's just someone who posts under their real name the adl which has its own political bias doesn't like them well if you're banned from twitter what stops you from being banned from paypal paypal from mailchimp from all of these other organizations that say well we heard that you were bad we heard
Starting point is 01:13:22 that you're not we're not allowed to support you. I mean, there is a really serious ripple effect that damages free speech in this culture, and the ADL has been at the center of it for a long time. I love the idea that the ADL, Anti-Defamation League, could get sued for defamation. Yeah, some people are calling them the Defamation League. But they've been sued, I guess, for defamation before. 20-some odd years ago, they had to pay out a fine.
Starting point is 01:13:42 I don't know exactly what happened with that. But this is a key component to the narrative manipulation in this country. Organizations like the ADL and the SPLC lie, lie, lie, lie, lie, lie all the time.
Starting point is 01:13:54 And, um, that's a fact. Southern poverty law centers had to apologize. The ADL is also had to apologize, uh, for, for putting out false information,
Starting point is 01:14:03 but this is what they do. The example I gave earlier is that there's this group called the Election Integrity Partnership that accused me of being a super spreader of fake news. And this is why I use NewsGuard, because now my response to them is just, oh, I don't know, take a look at NewsGuard who certified everything you said was fake news and then ask them why they claimed it was legitimate news. Don't look at me. All I can do is use NewsGuard. But the game they play is they never exactly said what fake claimed it was legitimate news. Don't look at me. All I can do is use NewsGuard. But the game they play is they never exactly said what fake news it was I was spreading. The ADL will accuse you behind the scenes.
Starting point is 01:14:32 You won't even know about it. And then the news reports come out saying you did thing or were accused of it. They'll come out and say, after being, so-and-so got banned for hate speech. And then it's just like, what did you actually say? Doesn't matter. Then the media can report it. Then regular people hear hear it and then they start making assumptions about you for a lot of people like uh for instance we had steve bannon on the show the first time he was on this show i got a message i got tons of messages from people saying they never they thought he was crazy they never actually heard him speak there was a meme that they had on
Starting point is 01:15:02 reddit circulating and it was a picture of bannon that said this man thinks his race is superior to yours and it's like steven is not a white supremacist he doesn't think that they make this stuff up they hire people to spread disinformation then they attack social media organizations to get you banned so you can't defend yourself and and it's able to happen because it's government utilizing private companies to attack, you know, what would otherwise be definitely free speech. The Ukrainian government put me on a kill list, and then I got banned from, yeah, PayPal, Venmo, Twitch, I got banned from all these things after that. So, I don't know, maybe we could talk, but I think the most interesting answer to this, and obviously any solution is going to have problems problems but if you fully nationalize big tech and take it away from these private corporations
Starting point is 01:15:48 wouldn't free speech have to be at least and maybe a better way than it is today protected on these platforms i don't really want biden administration administering uh free speech they have their own own position on who gets to speak freely and who doesn't but they don't take like medicare away from people in the United States because, at least yet, because you have different political views. Maybe in Canada they do that, but not here. But they do target your taxes
Starting point is 01:16:10 based on your political views. They do do that. Right. Not a perfect solution, but you, I don't know, it's worth thinking about. I don't think, I think it would create another monopoly controlled by the government,
Starting point is 01:16:21 but the idea of forcing these private companies to free their software code to the people as like a government action could could work because once you have access to the devices or the material software code you can make your own version of the site and they can't ban you i was going to say if the government owned social media platforms it's too much like ministry of truth for me i i'd rather have someone private neither are ideal but government's like the worst option yeah it's just not going so well in china you know no i i don't necessarily agree if uh there was a social media that was run like a public utility that was maintained by by by government workers it's
Starting point is 01:16:58 very difficult for them to come and shut off your water or something like that the idea would be only under strict specific regulations could they take your your account down like that the idea would be only under strict specific regulations could they take your your account down like with a warrant right now don't get me wrong sorry just there will be corruption search warrants are required to break into your house or for the cops to come in and they might be able to get a bunk warrant signed by a bad judge but if your account is up and you incite or commit a crime through you know saying everyone go do this at this time they go to a judge get a warrant the judges take it down they take it down then you go and they can arrest you or whatever but it could theoretically work i think it could and it's
Starting point is 01:17:32 the problems you guys brought up it's the same exact problems we have today like when i got banned from twitch one of my viewers at a foyer request found out the the organization that wrote the whole article to get me banned from Twitch was in communications with the Department of Homeland Security. They were going back and forth and suggesting names to get taken down from these platforms over Russian disinformation. So you have those problems today, and I think you'd have those problems if you nationalized Twitter or Facebook or whatever, but I think they would be far less.
Starting point is 01:18:02 And if they did happen, you could always do a FOIA request request kind of like kind of like with health care like a public private thing where you still have private health care insurance you still have private social media but then you could have a public social media it's still be called x but yeah you'd have some sort of regulation but you don't actually need government to run it you could simply have regulation that states accounts cannot be taken down without a warrant signed by a judge so then for someone so we have these we've talked about it quite a bit actually in new york for instance occupy wall street took place on what's called a pops a publicly owned private space so the land is owned by an organization an entity but you can use it
Starting point is 01:18:41 because of an agreement they have with the city which grants them certain liability protections but also grants you free speech rights, even though it's owned by somebody. So Elon Musk can monetize, can put ads up. He's the owner, but he can't remove people because he's made an agreement on liability. That's the way it should be. When Occupy Wall Street happened, they said, we want to remove these people, and they're like, there was a lawsuit, and they're like, you can't.
Starting point is 01:19:00 It's a public space, so free speech is allowed. You can't just claim private property after the fact. The same thing should be true for twitter once you're signed up and on you have free speech they can't remove you unless you commit a crime and they get a warrant yep i was going to say it seems like social media your rights the rights of free speech aren't being extended online fully as you know like you can go outside of a starbucks e and and you could say whatever you want can't say whatever you want on Twitter. So I think if we fully extended those rights, we wouldn't need to even have the government take over. You don't even need government maintaining it.
Starting point is 01:19:34 These privately owned public spaces are maintained by the organizations that own them. And there's some benefit. Usually they get a tax write-off or something. They don't have to pay taxes on it because it's open to the public. But then they pay to maintain it. In the instance of Twitter, they get the lawsuit protections. You're not responsible for what anybody says. You can sell the ads, but you also can't remove people
Starting point is 01:19:54 unless they're breaking the law. There are challenges with that, but I think the issue then gets to what we've talked about before. If you go out in public and you have a big poster with porn on it, you're going to get arrested on obscen poster with porn on it you're going to get arrested on obscenity charges or something they're going to take it they're going to rip pull the sign down they're going to say you can't do that twitter should be the same thing i don't understand how we got to the point where we as a society still recognize you can't go out in public
Starting point is 01:20:17 and show lewd images in the and wave them around in the air but on twitter you can on any social media platform why is that you got to pay you have shown id to get into a bar you got to show id to get into a casino you can't even walk through a casino unless you're 21 you can't even bring your kids to the restaurant so a lot of casinos will do this thing where the where the restaurant is actually just on the other side of the security line so families can actually bring their kids yet when it comes to looking at adult graphic content on the internet there's no requirements yeah that's nonsense yeah no it's crazy and it you know other countries aren't like that in asia
Starting point is 01:20:51 china you don't have you don't have that sort of stuff russia is doing away with that stuff and i think i think at its core this the question of this uh issue of um hashtag ban the ADL it's like all of these issues of foreign or domestic interference in private companies is completely legal there's no first Amendment protection but Tim like you said if you have some sort of a some sort of a structure in place there that guarantees free speech it would do away anytime you have someone getting banned or taken off for something other than explicit content or illegal claim. Criminal activity. Criminal activity. You know, that's immediately a free speech issue.
Starting point is 01:21:31 I want to jump to this story. Let's get cultural. We have this one from TheGamer.com. They say, Starfield isn't woke. You're just afraid of the future. Now, many of you may not be familiar with Starfield. It's a video game. And a controversy has emerged because you can choose your pronouns in the game.
Starting point is 01:21:48 Another game just came out called Baldur's Gate, which is also sparking some culture war outrage. And I think it's worth talking about. Because there was a funny meme and it said, gamers are entering the culture war. You know, what's going to happen now? And it's like, Gamergate was the beginning of the culture war when people playing video gamers got upset over a variety of issues including gaming companies paying
Starting point is 01:22:11 media outlets to write favorable reviews for them. But this is what happened. Here's the story. Starfield has actually, Ian, can you explain what Starfield is? Starfield is a game by Bethesda. It's their newest launch, so like Elder Scrolls and Fallout, this is the new one and it's a space game
Starting point is 01:22:27 where you can fly around from planet to planet and experience different biomes. I think it's first person. First new IP by Bethesda in 25 years. You've actually been playing it, Kellen, you said. Yeah, yeah. I've not really encountered any wokeness. I mean, the pronouns thing was already default to he, him,
Starting point is 01:22:42 so I didn't even touch it when I started the game. But I'm curious what this article talks about, because so far I've enjoyed it. I haven't run into any nonsense. Is it like Fallout? Exactly. So what Fallout 76 should have been, except in space. Like, it just works well. You know, it's very in-depth.
Starting point is 01:22:57 I like it so far. They say shortly after early access began this weekend, a clip went viral featuring a bald British man screaming about how starfield is desperate to remind us of the current day with the use of pronouns and body diversity they say hundreds of years in the future a universe that reflects the progress made within our own allows players select the pronouns people in their lives choose to address them this choice is respected and is an obvious component of making your character in the rpgs opening moments so uh i i got a question pronouns are only used not in your presence or if someone's speaking about you with not with you not privy to the conversation how does it work in a video game when it's a first person game and you're involved in every conversation
Starting point is 01:23:34 they'll probably talk about you in front of you to prove they're doing it z doesn't want to go over there anymore can you type in your pronoun or do you have a list you can select from uh i think it's a list dude i gotta say i watched i watched the intro i watched mf pally time play i think it was pally time play the intro and it was it was rough man it was like woke it was like girl boss this old woman starfield was yeah is like the boss and she has no charisma and you're like why is this woman the main character and then this dude this beta dude comes up and he's like i'm gonna give you my ship for no reason and that's the that's the beginning of the game and
Starting point is 01:24:15 then it just dumps you and it's like wow this is like well that's the beauty of the game is you can completely take a left turn if you don't want to follow that that's how you know that's all that's oblivion right so you can you don't have to follow that storyline if it's rubbing you the wrong way i like that having the option you know here it says starfield doesn't even push the progressive boat all that much from what i can tell most of its companions abide by the sexuality of the player when it comes to romance while going with the non-binary gender option will also lock you to a specific protagonist voice that can't be changed no matter how you might sound or look in reality which brings me to the next story which is um balder's gate which i also i just started playing balder's gate um and this was silly and i almost just couldn't do it sorry
Starting point is 01:24:56 whatever i'm 37 the wokeness in this game was beyond was was almost just i just i just okay look usually when i play these games, I just do random character. I don't care. And the name will be random letters. Whatever, dude. It's a first-person game. You know, you're sneaking around. With Baldur's Gate, it's more of an overhead turn-based RPG.
Starting point is 01:25:19 But with Baldur's Gate, you could be... When you're creating, you create two characters to start with. And you create one more directly, and then one as a companion. And so I'm like, okay, you create two characters to start with. And you create one more directly and then one as a companion. And so I'm like, okay, you know, Baldur's Gate, Ian tried playing it. I'll play this one. And so in the character creation, you can choose body type one, two, three, or four. I think there's four body types.
Starting point is 01:25:37 There's basically thin woman, man, fat woman, and fat man. Or like wide body, I guess. Then there's gender identity and voice so you can have like a type one body which is female with a dude's face and like a female voice like you know i don't know or you can have like a woman with like a dude voice who identifies as a man identity is actually a character characteristic in the game so you can take a, totally female character in every possible way and then say, identifies as a man. And I just, I'm like, what is the purpose of this?
Starting point is 01:26:10 So here's what ends up happening. I always just do like random character creation, like, yeah, I don't care. Now Baldur's Gate is like D&D, so there's a lot more complicated choices you have to make. But let me just tell you something funny happens in the woke future of video gaming. Let me explain. When you play Fallout 3 3 and you you are
Starting point is 01:26:26 you can choose your character male or female if you choose male and then click randomize it will choose a random haircut with random facial features and make a random looking guy if you choose female you can do the same thing random looking woman with random looking hair like the hair could be long could be short could be spiky whatever you could have scars get tattoos but when you mix it all together and i pressed randomized the first thing i got was a purple haired man big masculine man face with a female purple haircut bright pinkish purple with big boobs who talked like a dude and then i was just like if the character can be male and female at the same time, random typically gives you something that is particularly. What's the what's the right word? Egregious.
Starting point is 01:27:14 No, no, no. Like a typical not normal. Like if you chose guy and then randomized guy in any other video game, you'll get some like random guy. And I'm like, oh, I'm a guy. You pick woman. Like, I'm a woman. But with Baldur's Gate, it's like every character was some weird amalgam of male and female yeah i couldn't get my guy to stop looking like a woman it was really frustrating and there's like
Starting point is 01:27:33 i press randomize one and it's like a a dude's buzz cut with a female face and a super ripped man body but talking like this like a woman i'm like identifying as a woman but looking like a big ripped guy or like the fat woman body with a big bearded dude's face talking like and i'm like identifying as a woman but looking like a big ripped guy or like the fat woman body with a big bearded dude's face talking like this i'm like it's just you know look it's one thing to make a character based on you but the issue is when they mix it all together and then when i was creating the next character who apparently is like a main character or something similar it's it's it's similar it's just like random features that don't mix and it's right i don't know it's just crazy it's just pure chaos i kept hitting other than
Starting point is 01:28:10 that the game's fine i actually enjoyed the mechanics i wanted to spend no time on character creation so i kept hitting random and it kept giving me these like these black i don't blasphemous is the right word but these like things that were like abhorrent to react to nature they were like and i just kept hitting random until a normal person appeared and i took the first one i saw that's good enough i was just i'm like i don't understand what i'm supposed to do with this maybe it's just like uh it's supposed to emulate what game devs look like they're like they're building it off themselves people have pointed that out that characters and movies tend to look like the writers of these movies or the graphic designers
Starting point is 01:28:44 like seriously there's like a meme about it where it's like there's a woman and she's and she's got characters in movies tend to look like the writers of these movies or the graphic designers like seriously there's like a meme about it where it's like there's a woman and she's and she's got like frizzy hair and glasses and she's like i made a game and the character is literally her and it's like okay but this one i i agree with you abomination might be the word yeah hideous the physical characteristics that you get don't affect the character's ability right so if you're if it looks really ripped it's not more strong than if it's not they're kind of about the same in some games it matters because of hit boxes like uh how big your character is determines if someone is like attacking you but not not this game this game is like a turn-based rpg with a bunch of different stats i the game's actually really fun um it's
Starting point is 01:29:18 kind of like i don't know i'm i'm only like an hour in and it's a bit nonsensical like random things are just happening but i'm but i'm having fun with it and it's a bit nonsensical, like random things are just happening. But I'm having fun with it. And it's cool mechanics. And I like the RPG style. It's basically D&D. But I almost turned it off right away when I'm playing this game. And it's just like, I don't understand the purpose of identity in the game. Like, seriously, the character doesn't seem to be influenced or anything by this.
Starting point is 01:29:41 But there was a funny meme, uh actually got me you know i started i i found after i started seeing all this stuff where a guy is complaining that he bought the game but all of the dude characters keep trying to bang his dude he's like my character is just like a ranger guy and all of the the companions keep trying to have sex with me like what is going on why are they all gay and that that was really interesting to me in this in this concept of where woke gaming goes in most games there was the protagonist his allies and then maybe his love interest maybe but now because these games are becoming more open world and they want to entertain all identities every interaction has to have a component of some sexual or romantic
Starting point is 01:30:18 endeavor whereas games did not used to have that they would have like one love interest that you could maybe now it's just like like you made a guy character. Well, all the guys are gay and they want to do you. And do you want that in your video games? Like, is that, do you want it?
Starting point is 01:30:31 Dude, I just want to play the dragon man. Exactly. I feel like if you wanted it to be like, who are you in love with? You'd play like Sims 2 or whatever.
Starting point is 01:30:37 You wouldn't play this game. It seems strange to me. That's been my biggest issue with this. I could really care less. It's just like, tell me a good story. I want to play a good video game to learn a good story not spend 15 minutes in character
Starting point is 01:30:47 creation like i just feel like they're hiring these teams to focus on love interests and purple hair when it's like yo like tim said i want to just fight the dragon man every come on like seriously give it a try if you have the game anybody who has the game probably experiences already but if you haven't i'm not suggesting you buy it just for this i'm having fun with the game so far it's like it's it's pretty fun so it's it's a tad complicated in a lot of ways but it's worth it but just go to the character creation hit random and you're gonna go if it's anything like divinity 2 there's a lot of combinations so like one guy can squirt oil on the ground and the other guy can shoot fire at it and make it explode so yes i believe you can do That's what the game's all about for me,
Starting point is 01:31:25 not who is the character you're going to have sex with. And it's rough for kids. Like, if you want to let your 12-year-old play a game, keep in mind there's nudity in that game that you can turn on and off. The first thing it asked me when I turned the game on, I was like, do you want nudity, yes or no? Yes.
Starting point is 01:31:39 And yes is the default. I said yes, but I was like, I think... Do not give your kids this game. It's like real life sodom and gomorrah yeah look the game's fine uh like the gameplay is pretty great i'm enjoying it it's a lot of fun uh you like roll a d20 and see i i have some critical successes that are really fun but uh i would not give uh anyone like any any child in my family my future child or like my you know my nephews or
Starting point is 01:32:05 nieces or whatever i wouldn't give this game because they're going to be confused by why the character like at the character creation stuff pronouns identity and all that stuff that's creepo indoctrination and so that story about starfield's interesting they're like it's not even that woke it's just in the future they respect pronouns bro pronouns are cult garbage nonsense not even every language has pronouns. That's the crazy thing. It is your weirdo, Americanized, white liberal cult. That's not what the future is.
Starting point is 01:32:31 Sorry. Have a nice day. Yeah. From what I've seen with Starfield, like I'm trying to play devil's advocate here because to me, that was only a tiny component was the pronouns. To me, they gave that project to a small team or one or two employees and said have fun i think it's a two-edged sword for that same reason i think the game's so great i think they've had a lot of people just be able to create their own stories and like storylines that you can play
Starting point is 01:32:54 through in the game so you're gonna get some weird stuff but you're also gonna get some really unique gems in my opinion do you think it's better than fallout 4 no no uh i don't think it's fallout i don't think it's better than fallout um are you a video game guy it's still good i like it though no but um i you know i think whoever made this game you know russia and china never would allow anything like this within like a thousand miles of their border and i think in america we have a really big problem with this sort of stuff indoctrinating the youth confusing them like tim said at a young age about all these these things that they shouldn't be thinking about they should be when i played video games when i was younger it was like we sports you know it was just dumb
Starting point is 01:33:33 stuff like that now you got all this i mean there is a vested interest that is pushing this trying to push people down this path and that path ultimately is about not having babies and doing freakish stuff yeah like mario would save the princess you'd be like i saved the girl there my my male like my ancestral dna is lit on fire because i saved the princess but now it's like mario walking in with his shirt he's kind of sweaty and like i don't want to see him pushing the princess up against the wall and like them making out like you don't need to add that stuff to super mar Brothers. And a lot of these new games are like, they're going so cinematic, but to a fault?
Starting point is 01:34:11 I don't know. I mean, I guess, how many of these games or shows really need that component in it? I don't think you need it at all, but I'm from an era where they didn't have it. Well, and I think it's because some people are just more, they expect sexually explicit content more casually all the time now. And I would blame that on pornography and the readily available access to that.
Starting point is 01:34:31 I mean, people are like, it's not compelling unless you see this. But actually, you guys are testament to the fact that video games were compelling when they had strong storylines. They're for sure moving us to a game that's a movie that is a porn where you are the main character in vr where you have an open world with abilities and but you can also have sex like that's where we're headed it's it's we're heading to a world which is going to be open world vr anything you want at all you're going to eat ice cream all day you're going to eat chocolate cake now like for the time being the vr stuff that exists there's no point playing a game where you eat cake because you don't actually experience the dopamine hit from eating the cake but once they get that neural
Starting point is 01:35:07 link going oh yeah then people are going to be eating chocolate cake all day what about drugs if they could if they could induce like a dopamine reaction in your brain by taking digital heroin in the game you're like my character's gonna shoot up i think or whatever the hell it is jet i think they make that yeah that's what they do and follow i breathe it in i think that'd be illegal because it would cause the exact same problems triggering dopamine release or whatever would cause the same part artificially or through chemical induction i think it would just cause you serious problems they'd have to ban it but don't know how you do it you're they're gonna go to like neural link drug dens where they're like we can bypass the patch and security
Starting point is 01:35:42 features to trigger whatever feeling you want yeah because at first it'll in the game you'll be taking the drug and then you'll be getting the feeling in real life but then they'll be like no no in the game you don't it's illegal to take the drug in the game they'll be okay i'm just gonna stare at flowers in the game but you're still gonna get the feeling and then they'll be like we can't stop because basically clicking like like looking at all your likes on social media is producing dopamine kind of like a drug scrolling and scrolling. Have you guys watched The Peripheral on Amazon?
Starting point is 01:36:07 Yes. Negative. Yeah. Wait, I think so. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And she's got that weird, like, it's almost like she's hung over when she comes out of the, I forget if it's a computer game or whatever it is. They're on like a branch timeline.
Starting point is 01:36:19 But when she disconnects, she's all disoriented and like weak and everything. So I wonder if we'll get something like that even if drugs aren't related that people are just so used to being in the vr when they come out it's just a total shock to the system you guys i i have a confession to make last night i went to go live moss i'm proud of you you deserve it and when i walked when i walked in, they had big touchpads. And I did not talk to a human. Where? Taco Bell. Oh. Live Mas.
Starting point is 01:36:49 Live Mas. And I got a cheese organdita crunch. And it was delicious. It was worth it. Have you seen their ad? But I ordered on the kiosk. Yep. And then it just made.
Starting point is 01:36:59 And they were like, they yell at my initials. DP. They got your order right? Yeah. I think it's kind of nice but i'm just saying like this is like you're in the future man i'm talking like very soon there's not going to be a counter you're going to walk in to the kiosk you're going to hit the buttons and then you're going to you're going to it's going to go order 17 and then you're going to walk over and
Starting point is 01:37:21 the and it's going to open up and the food's going to slide out. I don't want some smelly, freakish, blue haired, you know, who knows, you know, like Starbucks worker taking my order at 7 a.m. when I'm trying to wake up, like, just give me my order. Put that person to work on an oil rig or something. Do something. Do something useful. You know, and if you can't do that, then sucks. But we need an economy that is oriented around human prosperity not around like degenerate freaks expressing their identity handing me a latte that they didn't even do anything but that has to do with ai takeover oh yeah it does i mean like the dudes who are working there i take over but the people working there were not like you're describing it's like
Starting point is 01:37:58 a regular dude and it's just like i don't interact with him though. His labor is better used elsewhere. Yeah. I think the issue though is there's a finite amount of better use elsewhere labor. So when we automate away all the low skill jobs, what are you going to do with all these immigrants? What are you going to do with all these high school students? They're going to be locked in the Neuralink pod eating bugs and they're going to be like, life is good. I think the answer to that is, I think the answer to that is a having a shorter work week. I mean, you don't, you don't
Starting point is 01:38:29 really need people working 40 or 80 hours a week as so many are to make this country run. You could have way more free time for the average American, that American that is, has that free time. I mean, I'd hope most people, God--fearing people family-oriented people are gonna start new businesses i mean it's what's happening in china right now they've got more millionaires than ever before they got more billionaires than ever before more people being lifted out of poverty and their country's not going down a path of social degeneracy and lunacy and chaos like we are here that's what's happening in america china's going in a direction of actually increased prosperity for the average person despite what you think of the characteristics
Starting point is 01:39:09 of the country itself and what they value there i've heard that the way that they responded to covid by shutting down annihilated their economy is that not true um i mean their economy did take a slight hit but you know there's certain things you talk you can't talk about on YouTube. They viewed covid very differently than every other country viewed covid. We're going to go to super chat. So if you haven't already, would you kindly smash that like button? Subscribe to this channel. Share the show if you really do like it. Word of mouth really, really does help. And head over to Timcast dot com. Click. Join us. Become a member. We're going to have an uncensored members only show coming up tucker carlson's got an interview coming out and we're going to talk about this uh obama
Starting point is 01:39:49 and his proclivities on the members only uncensored show so we look forward to seeing you there plus we're gonna take calls from you our audience and our members let's read some super chats crazy blake says love you guys keep up the good work work. Rip Roberto. Roberto's still alive. It's Roberto Jr. I have bad news. Vanessa passed away in her sleep. Oh my gosh. Yep. Yep. Man, so few OG chickens remain.
Starting point is 01:40:12 What is a typical chicken lifespan? 10 years. Oh, wow. So these ones are going quickly. But I mean, they die for a lot of reasons. Yeah. You know, so one had cancer. The chickens that we got,
Starting point is 01:40:27 we were warned were a weak batch. We got them in the winter and it was like, you know, you're going to lose some of them because they're fairly weak, you know, in the winter and all that stuff.
Starting point is 01:40:36 But I don't know. Vanessa's been around for almost three, she was three. Yeah. And it's unfortunate. Roberto Jr., we knew had issues. he would crow he would collapse and so we didn't know what to expect and then he had a heart attack and died suddenly
Starting point is 01:40:50 it's unfortunate it's very sad but i think we've only lost maybe like five out of the massive amount of chickens that we have so you know and yeah how's his heir doing we have roberto the third and he's got a brother too so uh they need some names let's figure it out and roberto's in there as well we just you know we don't want him banging his daughters so he's good he's got to stay separate for the time being until we get uh until we move some some everybody around all right zimemaru says i like you jackson but you had one bizarre take on the avatar movie also have you guys seen the first day out trump rap song ai is going to make 2024's meme war next level i have not seen it i will look into it i started playing fallout three again so i'm interested in trying starfield but i just don't think you could ever beat fallout
Starting point is 01:41:35 three yeah i'm gonna give starfield a try i think i mean it'd be silly not to i've been playing bethesda games since the beginning i like balder's gate baldergate's fun they're close by too and uh bethesda headquarters bet Bethesda, Maryland. Well, they're actually not in Bethesda, Maryland, but they're right down the road. They're not far. Field trip, let's go. When's the new Elder Scrolls coming out?
Starting point is 01:41:53 It's going to be a couple years, because this one they were putting everything into in Starfield. And they're doing Fallout 76, and they're just pushing more of that. I don't know if that game's still getting updates. Yeah, it is. I'm pretty sure they just put out a new update. Huh.
Starting point is 01:42:06 Not gonna be wrong. It's decent. Fallout 3 is one of the best games ever made, if not the best video game ever made. It's just, it's a masterpiece. It's got Liam Neeson in it. It's got Malcolm McDowell in it. Yeah, where you go on the old aircraft carrier.
Starting point is 01:42:20 Felicia Day's in it. Yeah, Rivet City. She is? I didn't know all those actors were involved. I'm pretty sure Felicia Day's in Fallout 3. Wow. Yeah, that was groundbreaking, that game. what's your take on the avatar movie uh the blue people were the bad ones what were their why uh yeah what were they bad about they're hoarding all the resources these guys are just trying to come in and make life a little bit
Starting point is 01:42:39 better develop a little bit real quick no no she's in new vegas i was wrong about fall three anyway continue they're just the bad people they there's a this is wall street city of london they're trying to hoard all the resources from the working man that's trying to get by huh so if they they don't know they have the resources that what it is it's like oil that they aren't able to synthesize yet i think but they're living you know we we've talked about uh i want to do short films that show the opposite perspective of like these famous stories and movies like star wars is about a young kid from a desert planet who's radicalized by religious zealots taking a car they hijack a cargo ship
Starting point is 01:43:16 to go blow up a military base darth vader's a war vet a disabled war veteran like that's that's that's the story right there yeah but that's that's overt, you literally watch that movie, and that's what it is. This kid's like, oh, wow, you're going to fight the rebellion, they call it, against the Empire? The Death Star was called Project Stardust. It was a military base. Anyway, I digress. There's a whole bunch of ways you could interpret other stories. With Avatar, unlike the short film version from the perspective of the U.S. or the Earth interests,
Starting point is 01:43:44 is that they come to this planet, and they see a bunch of natural resources and the natives are brutally sacrificing children and putting on the altar and flaying them alive. And then they're like, do we ignore this or do we intervene? And then, you know, on Earth, they're like, we need to stop them from sacrificing children and pulling their hearts out. And then the activists are like, you're you're stealing indigenous culture. And one more thing. If you look at the Indian collective in the United States, that's the organization that's fighting land back for all the indigenous tribes across America right now. And guess who's the one who's funding it? It's Jeff Bezos. Jeff Bezos is funding the Indian collective land back for the indigenous people. they just want to protect the land but there's something more sinister at play all right let's read some more super chats what have we where we at
Starting point is 01:44:34 noah sanders says jackson just want you know there's a fake profile of you going around following people you follow because i posted a photo on axe and tagged you don't want someone giving you a bad name you know to be honest though that happens all the time i get messages from people like did you know that there's 87 396 accounts that are imitating you know i'm like dude whatever like what are you supposed to do and they're all on youtube and they're trying to get people to download like some crypto app or something whatever man that's the conspiracy theory why elon musk actually bought twitter because people kept making fake profiles of him and then doing Bitcoin scams. And he kept telling them to stop.
Starting point is 01:45:09 And then Twitter was like, well, whatever. So now he's like, everyone's got to be verified. No more of this. Someone copied my profile on Instagram earlier this year. And it was like crypto advice. And they messaged my older brother and were like, hello, I've gotten interested in the stock market or like something like that. And, you know, it was a very close copy that changed like one letter in my username but uh i definitely would not want to be mistaken for a crypto expert all right kalishnikov says tim you
Starting point is 01:45:33 said you like the fallout games have you tried starfield if not save your time and money it's absolutely dreadful oh really i need to know why i need to know why. I need to know why now. Yeah, what you... Okay, here's my theory. My theory is that for the last 10, like I said, first new IP from Bethesda in 25 years, well, you raised a whole generation on Call of Duty and Fortnite. So you have a lot of this rhetoric online, in my opinion, is coming from people who are addicted to multiplayer games. They see the single player, how in-depth it is. They're like, this is a chore. Well, hold on. Instagramification doesn't exist here.
Starting point is 01:46:04 See, here's the thing. Bethda purchased fallout the ip and then they took the isometric game applied its lore which is awesome to their basically like elder scrolls engine i think they bought it from obsidian right i think it was obsidian who made fallout yeah and then fallout new vegas which everyone said was way better was when obsidian may use their engine and then added the storyline the way they wanted it fallout 4 i thought was dreadful it's like you no longer had uh speech options you had like one of four buttons to press it just was not enjoyable and so while i can respect elder scrolls i like skyrim that's fun i'm looking forward to the new one i thought fall 76 was kind of bad they're like there's no people
Starting point is 01:46:49 in it like you're the people i'm like yeah yeah so i am i i am willing to bet i probably will not like it do they have a good alchemy crafting system it's yeah it's very in-depth uh bunch of different crafting stations you can do for different things um it is like choose one of four options but once you choose one option it snakes into like another three or four so it's not bad and it's a new game engine that they designed uh i don't know i just don't want to be blackpilled on everything i do enjoy it it's a video game you're supposed to have fun let's read some more i mean baldur's again i'm having fun yeah it's pretty it's pretty good uh david says ian give us a. You look like you've made progress.
Starting point is 01:47:25 Thank you. I gained about 15 pounds. Wow. I clocked at 152. 152? Yeah. I've been carrying weights around with me throughout the day, just a couple of 15-pound dumbbells,
Starting point is 01:47:40 and then this last weekend I ate for like 48 hours. I just kept eating. I went outside, and Ian's sitting on the porch curling, and I porch curling and i was just like that's it i took him with me over to his house he's like maga man he's got a maga hat on so good do you feel like more energy and everything yeah immediately the body like um remembers like this morning i felt all groggy but i i started doing um just core exercise and that soreness starts off sore and then it starts to feel really good and then it starts to feel really good and then it starts to wake things up yeah in like six months ian's gonna be massive he's gonna be
Starting point is 01:48:10 like yeah i've just been lifting all day the new liberate king then yeah we hit the organ meat phase i'm gonna be really uh really interested to see where we go from there and bring luke in he's all about that all right crazy lemur says georgia is is blue we tried to build low-income housing in savannah georgia and they said they won't approve our project because we are white the city council is corrupt and we need an omg undercover well what's seamus doing down there just drawing cartoons like he's going to contribute to society one of these days cartoons although i do say uh i will say his latest cartoon was really really good i of course was the voice of fauci and uh you should really check it out on freedom tombs because it's clever basically covet is a comedian who doesn't want to be political anymore
Starting point is 01:48:55 and everyone's like huh and they're like shocked by it and then he basically covet basically explains you know it was always like haha that unvaccinated maga chud died that's what he gets but then when he's a democrat it's like haha he got vaccinated you know, it was always like, ha ha, that unvaccinated Maga Chud died. That's what he gets. But then when it's a Democrat, it's like, ha ha, he got vaccinated, you know, X amount of times and then he still gets sick and then dies or whatever. It's never just the virus that's killing people. It's always some political angle to it. And then Fauci is basically like, what does he say?
Starting point is 01:49:19 He's like, did you forget who made you? You should check it out. It's funny. And then he threatens him. There you go. Alright. Let's grab some more Super Chats. Wilson Fields says Riley Gaines will be speaking at West Virginia University
Starting point is 01:49:34 this Thursday. The event will be taking place at 7pm at the Mountain Lair on campus. You do not need to be a student to attend. I, of course, will be doing TimCast IRL on Thursday, and I will be here. I wonder if Taylor's going to be a student to attend. I, of course, will be doing TimCast IRL on Thursday, and I will be here. I wonder if Taylor's going to be there. But, yeah, I don't know.
Starting point is 01:49:48 West Virginia. But which camp is that? I think they're talking about Morgantown. Morgantown? Yeah. Yeah, okay. That's really far away. What is it, like three, four hours?
Starting point is 01:49:58 Two and a half hours, three hour drive, maybe? Well, a lot. If you're watching, maybe you should go cover it. I'm sure there's going to be some type of protest, even at WVU. Morgantown. Just shy of three hours. Yeah, I'm always curious to see what's happening on the college campuses, or at least nearby the college campuses if they're not allowed on.
Starting point is 01:50:19 Legama says, Mr. Hinkle, I've seen you described as a Marxist-Leninist and MAGA-Communist, among other things. I have read your Twitter, and it's full of things suggestive of a rejection of classical liberalism. True. Which one, MAGA communist? Both. Do you identify as communist? Yes. What is the value of communism? Orienting government and the economy for the public good. Yeah, but I think that's like an oversimplification or idealism.
Starting point is 01:50:53 Simply, that's what it is. I mean, I think that any communist state that takes form in America is going to have communist values or American values. Rather, it's going to be based on the history of our country, the Constitution. I think it would be a Christian communist state. And I think that we can learn a lot from China and from the Soviet Union. But you look at China today, their economy is outpacing ours. It's going to beat ours totally probably within the next five to ten years. You know, Europe is going
Starting point is 01:51:25 down. The US is going down. China lifted 845 million people out of poverty in the last 40 years. I think that we shouldn't be China, but I think we can learn things from China and the Soviet Union and other countries that have done it successfully. Successfully? Do you think China didn't do it successfully fell apart yeah they fell apart in 69 years but what did they do successfully they took their country from its knees from dirt from a feudal society basically to the economic powerhouse that defeated nazi germany the bloodiest largest battle in all of human history yeah but we're already an economic powerhouse so how would communism benefit us are we an economic powerhouse are we this byzantine labyrinth of insurance companies law firms that utilizes wall street wall street power utilizing the dollar as a as a tool
Starting point is 01:52:15 of financial pressure on the rest of the world without the dollar america is not nothing but it's nowhere near as strong as it is today. And when you see BRICS rising up, you see Russia, China, India, South Africa, Brazil, you see Saudi Arabia, the UAE, you see Iran, Egypt, seven of the top 10 largest oil producing in the nations today working to create a new global reserve currency that's going to challenge the dollar. I mean, it's not the end of America, but it's not going to be pretty for us in the future you think that centrally planning an economy is a more effective strategy uh i think sector take it i think that every economy's plan this economy in the u.s is planned to enrich wall
Starting point is 01:52:57 street rich legacy families in our country it's built to enrich the largest monopoly capital powers that reside within the U.S. I think China is a country that plans the economy to lift people out of poverty in regions like Xinjiang and also focuses on giving people tax relief, helping them create new businesses, making sure that they have enough money to afford homes and healthcare and stuff like that. I think America is a country that prioritizes every single interest of the ruling class over the interest of the working man. That's why we have 60,000 homeless veterans, 600,000 homeless individuals. We have a higher ratio of homeless in our country compared to any industrialized developed nation on the face of the earth. What about property rights would you
Starting point is 01:53:45 suggest doing away with them i think that we should i think we should just give property to the people trump's talking about this new plan for america cities he's talking about 10 new cities across the united states we'd have uh you know top elite architect uh architecture specialists throughout the country that submit plans to build new cities where people, young Americans with families, are basically going to get the opportunity to buy land, buy homes for pennies on the dollar for super cheap. And I think we should do that right now. I mean, why is it that every American is governed by debt?
Starting point is 01:54:21 Every American is in debt when it comes to their home loans. Every American's in debt when it comes to their home loans. Every American's in debt when it comes to student loans. Even medical debt is insane right now in the United States. Why is it, this is the last thing I'll say, everything about communism is about taking power away from the wealthy hordes, the Sacklers, the Rockefellers, the Bushes, all these families that are hoarding our wealth, our resources in America right now and keeping it for themselves for who knows what. Why is it that
Starting point is 01:54:50 Bill Gates and Jeff Bezos are allowed to buy up all the land in this country? And no one questions that. But the idea of giving every American enough land to get by, maybe have a small garden or a farm or something like that that's insane and no one's allowed to talk about that and that's some communist conspiracy that no one's ever going to imagine ever taking shape here well this doesn't well compromise all of the land seized by the bureau of land management we uh break it apart and we give pieces of it to uh various american citizens i was gonna say this doesn't really sound like communism it almost sounds like just a form of socialism that you're describing that you want the government to
Starting point is 01:55:28 do more for the american people because communism would be the government owns all the land we're not getting it yeah so that's not the case in china china they've given land to the people and but what i think you can say they're a weird kind of like post-communist like authoritative yeah it's like land leases right yeah well uh china is a hundred percent ml line i mean you look at mao you look at deng xiaoping you look at uh xi jinping i mean you read his his uh his books governance of china it's all an ml line it's a hundred percent marxist leninist and there's a lot of people who try to say well china's like semi-capitalist it's a a capitalist communist state. It's because they don't want to admit that communism is actually winning, whereas They're utilizing the interests of the country, oil, natural gas, to benefit the public. I mean, you look at some of the finest infrastructure that's been built in Russia, it's happening
Starting point is 01:56:36 because of the revenue generated by their utilities. We have utilities here that are only enriching these shareholders of these massive corporations that do nothing in the interest of the working man and they actually in debt many americans based upon how expensive basic utilities are let's read some more super chats heron gaming news says tim how much closer do you think we are to seeing people who voted for trump being arrested um i don't know several weeks past mean, two and a half years passed. How many people got arrested for being at the Capitol on January 6th, but didn't actually go in the building? How many people were just there at the rally, walked up the steps confused,
Starting point is 01:57:15 didn't know what was going on, and are being criminally charged? I think that qualifies for people who just voted for Trump. We're not talking about someone who smashed a window and fought cops. Yeah, I understand charges for those people, maybe two decades. It's a little bit extreme. But there are a lot of people who are like walking around, confused, bumbling about, and they got criminally charged. And they got two, even just two months is insane for someone who had no idea what was going on. So, yeah, that I think is already happening. All right, Matt's Magic Emporium says, can I come on and play tim in mtg
Starting point is 01:57:46 depends we can play uh multiplayer commander like what do you think is good for players yeah four is good for commander and um maybe once we finally get the uh club up and running which is just everything
Starting point is 01:57:58 just takes a million years because my job day-to-day is like doing this and then everyone else is doing everything else so it's like if i want want to open a club where we can play cards and hang out that's on the back burner everybody's doing their specific job and then like first thing that happens is the coffee shop
Starting point is 01:58:12 it's getting delayed because we have to do remodeling and there's permits and historic society once that's up and running then we move to second floor then we got to install like handicap stuff once that's done we do third floor So it'll be really cool to have like a, what would you call like a hobby shop? We're going to have probably trading cards. We'll see if we get
Starting point is 01:58:32 poker legalized. We've got some really awesome stuff happening on that front. We've got to figure out how to do poker properly. I don't think, I don't know what
Starting point is 01:58:40 the argument is to have it regulated at all. Why shouldn't it just be if you want to play a game where you can put chips on the table, you can. I don't understand what the point of any kind of regulation on it is. But we'll see what happens. I'm talking with the government about how we move forward with that. But then we're going to have a skate shop.
Starting point is 01:58:55 And it's going to be a place you go to hang out, watch movies, and engage in fun hobbies. Play music, maybe. It'll be rad. And then, yes, we will have Commander. And we'll have prizes. Really awesome prizes. We'll grab some more Super Chats. Raymond G. Staley Jr. says,
Starting point is 01:59:13 Tim, did you see Biden walk out of the Medal of Honor ceremony? It's becoming commonplace for politicians to disrespect the nation they represent. Everyone, please run for any and all local offices. Local offices are where it's at. That's what you need to win yep what do we got jason hudgenson says it's not stealing land you can never own what you can't defend yeah i think when you look at the arguments if you look at movies like harry potter and we're talking about doing these you know alternate views harry potter voldemort's a one-dimensional villain they never quite explain he's just a supremacist who is evil for no reason he's just like an arrogant
Starting point is 01:59:50 creepy guy it's like okay well like i'm like a tragic backstory sort of he was an orphan and he was a sociopath and his mom like conned someone into falling in love with her so he's up from this like terrible family but there's there's. But there's no logical rhyme or reason described as to what he's doing and why, other than he's just a supremacist. But that is horribly one-dimensional. Look at modern reality and actually look to a white supremacist.
Starting point is 02:00:14 They will tell you a whole bunch of stuff about why they believe what they believe. They should have gone into that with Voldemort. J.K. Rowling should have had Voldemort and like the Death Eaters explain exactly what it is they don't like about people of, you know, mixed wizarding families or whatever. Instead, it was very, very one dimensional. Imagine if imagine Harry Potter from the perspective of the right. We know the left says everyone's a Nazi. Everyone's a supremacist. Imagine what Harry Potter would look like if you inverted it based on the culture war today voldemort is actually just like we shouldn't be allowing people you know through our borders when you know we can't maintain this economically things like that it would be it would be about national sovereignty and it would be about economics
Starting point is 02:00:55 and it would be about fighting for the people of his country it's not about whether or not you have magic or don't it's about are you paying taxes to this government blah blah blah blah wizarding taxes and those that marry the the non-wizards don't have to pay or but like it's fine that voldemort's a supremacist you can totally go with that line he's basically magic hitler but just they should have like she needs to elaborate on like what it is they really wanted and it was you know overly simplistic not to mention the great wizarding war it was a civil war it was not it was it was like it was it was kind of like a political uprising within their country we know that in harry potter universe there's a bunch of
Starting point is 02:01:32 other countries at different schools they weren't fighting the war so come on do better anyway what were we talking about harry potter or something all right because uh the reason i brought that up is we're talking about avatar and what land you could own or whatever. All right, everybody. Let's see. Austin Fairbank says, Tim, since you're so obsessed with the modern day American Civil War,
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Starting point is 02:03:01 He is the worst. I'm glad he's gone saddlebags worst worst shamus uh hey goodbye everyone ian crossland follow me on the internet of ian crossland and jackson cool talking to you man especially uh we barely got into the communist stuff i like talking to people with different political ideologies i don't know a lot of people that self-identify as communists i like talking especially with you guys because usually people just soy out but like you's like, well, compromise. Let's do this.
Starting point is 02:03:27 And with the Twitter nationalization conversation too. Oh, yeah. We have to work through the logic of what the idea is, not just. Yeah, because I thought as you were talking, like, oh, I see the goal that you're looking at. I have a similar goal that I'm aiming at. And the methodologies that we use may could be end up being. I think people hear the label and they freak out. They don't ask the question well maybe that we go
Starting point is 02:03:46 deeper into it in a future date good conversation man maybe we do a culture war and get a bunch of different politics involved see you later you took the words right out of my mouth Ian maybe we can get like on here next time because he's like the libertarian guy around here it'd be really interesting to have that hear that conversation
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