Timcast IRL - Timcast IRL #857 New Mexico Just DECREED GUNS ILLEGAL, Democrat SUSPENDS Possession

Episode Date: September 9, 2023

Tim, Ian, Phil, & Carter join Brandon Herrera to discuss New Mexico's governor making gun possession illegal by declaring gun violence a public health emergency, a Georgia Grand Jury voting to indict ...Georgia politicians connected to Trump, & the ladies of The View complaining about immigration despite NYC being a sanctuary city. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:00:51 BetMGM operates pursuant to an operating agreement with iGaming Ontario. We got really crazy news. Two absolutely shocking stories. The first, I did not believe it when good sir Brandon read it. I said, there's no way that's true. The governor of New Mexico has just decreed the possession of guns to be illegal. That's the headline. I'm not exaggerating.
Starting point is 00:01:21 I didn't believe it when I heard it. Granted, there's a nuance to it but outright the governor has declared a public health emergency in which it is now illegal to possess a firearm in public even though the state is an open carry state this is i'll keep it light for the intro but for those that know their history when executives declare the seizure of weapons, typically, historically, in many places, really bad things follow that. I am extremely worried to hear this news breaking today and 10 minutes ago, maybe about 20 minutes ago. On top of this, new information is breaking with the release of the grand jury recommendations the grand jury in georgia voted to indict sitting members of the senate including lindsey graham three and fannie willie willis has
Starting point is 00:02:14 just declined those indictments understand the i mean this is let's just start over. The grand jury in Georgia voted to indict three Republican members of the Senate. New Mexico has just decreed possession of guns to be illegal. This is going to be a fun episode. But before we get started, hey, join us live in Miami.
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Starting point is 00:04:13 shout out your company because you guys are the backbone of everything we do. We really do appreciate that. This is going to be really interesting. Smash the like button, subscribe to the channel, share the show. Joining us tonight to talk about this and a whole lot more is Brandon Herr herrera thanks so much for having me man i appreciate it thanks for coming who are you what do you do so uh my name is brandon herrera i am uh well a youtuber on the internet i talk about guns gun safety try to uh blend entertainment
Starting point is 00:04:39 and comedy with you know trying to teach you know second Amendment activism, firearm history, all sorts of things. But also more recently, I'm now running for Congress against incumbent rhino Tony Gonzalez in CD23. I may be one of the most 2A absolutists you'll ever meet. I don't know if you've ever heard the arguments I've made, but I've even argued with Republicans about the right to keep and bear nuclear weapons and biological weapons. I have, and I am a fan. And I would love to talk about that.
Starting point is 00:05:10 Because it's not a question of whether or not it's morally correct. It's a question of legally allowed or protected. And I'm of the position that you're allowed to keep and bear arms, and arms is broad. I would love to get into that with you, because that is such a fascinating topic. It's funny when I'm talking to politicians and I'm like, can we have nuclear weapons? And they're like, no, no, I don't know if I agree with that.
Starting point is 00:05:29 But anyway, we've got Phil here hanging out. How are you doing? I am Phil Labonte. I'm the lead singer of All That Remains. I'm an anti-communist and counter-revolutionary. I'm also pretty anti-communist these days, Phil. Yes! Hi, everyone. Ian Crossland. Happy to be here. Let's roll. We've got Carter. What's up, guys? Taking a break to update Pro Tools and stuff
Starting point is 00:05:45 and filling in for Kellen and Serge, so let's do it. Here is the first story from the Santa Fe New Mexican, and I'm going to be as deliberate in my introduction here. First, Governor Banz carrying guns in Albuquerque after 11-year-old killed. You want to pull that article up? There you go. And NewsGuard certified.
Starting point is 00:06:08 100 out of 100. I can't believe this. Governor bans carrying guns in Albuquerque after 11. It's not just Albuquerque. There's like a metro limit. Governor Michelle Lujan Grisham on Friday announced a new public health order that she said will ban people from carrying firearms, either open or concealed, in Albuquerque and throughout the Bernalillo County for the next 30
Starting point is 00:06:30 days, regardless of whether they have a permit. Grisham, a Democrat, issued an executive order Thursday evening declaring gun violence a public health emergency. This is beyond unconstitutional, but I will tell you this right now.
Starting point is 00:06:45 I'm willing to believe the police with smiles on their face will arrest you if you have a weapon. The order states no person other than law enforcement or licensed security officer shall possess a firearm either openly or concealed with cities or counties averaging 1,000 or more violent crimes per 100,000 residents per year since 2021. So, because of that, it only applies to the city of Albuquerque and Bernalillo County, Lujan Grisham said, and can only be enforced by New Mexico State Police, whose presence in the state's largest city would be significant over the next month. We've seen this kind of things happen in various countries happen throughout history and they almost always i think it's fair to say always lead to very very very awful outcomes sometimes it takes a little bit longer for the awful outcome but uh typically disarming the population by decree results in
Starting point is 00:07:37 active conflict between the citizenry and law enforcement and um oh i know all of these libs are going to get so bent out of shape when I say this, but for those of you that know American history, you will know that the first battle, which wasn't really even a battle of the American Revolution, was because the crown was trying to seize
Starting point is 00:07:55 the weapons from local militia. Basically, farmers who got together and said, we do not believe these laws are justified. And they went and said, okay, well, we're going to come take all your guns from you. And they said, no, you're not. When we were setting up the show, what's the big story, I always ask.
Starting point is 00:08:11 And we've got this huge story about the Georgia grand jury indicted, voted to indict, three sitting members of the Senate, Republicans. And only because the Democrats are like, no, we're not going to do that. It didn't happen. Even though this is what the grand jury does. This is where we're at right now in this country. And then Brandon over here says, New Mexico just banned by decree carrying weapons. And I'm like, no, no, no, that's wrong. That's wrong.
Starting point is 00:08:33 Googled it. And I'm like, no, this is just some kind of like platitude. And then Brandon's like, nope, Santa Fe, New Mexico. It literally just came up in my Instagram feed. The first time I looked at it, I'm like, ah, you know, maybe this is somebody being a little dramatic on Twitter. Because, you know, sometimes people, you know, they see a story and then they extrapolate something that's not quite correct. Like, it's not all the way verifiable. They just kind of go their own way with it.
Starting point is 00:08:55 But sure enough, looked into it, and that's exactly what it seems like just happened. I will say, Arizona didn't ban guns. Some tyrant is attempting to. New Mexico. New Mexico, thank you very much. New Mexico didn't ban guns some tyrant is attempting to New Mexico, thank you very much New Mexico didn't ban guns, some tyrant's trying to and it's up to the people of New Mexico to decide whether or not that tyrant's going to speak for the people This is the
Starting point is 00:09:13 inflection point The question we have right now is Is it a legal executive order? And the question for a person in my position is, what advice do you give the average person uh i first of all i think that it's clearly unconstitutional there is no provision in the constitution in the the federal constitution the the United States Constitution, that empowers governors to revoke the rights
Starting point is 00:09:46 of any citizen under any reason. Or to create law. Fair enough. True. So there's that. So first of all, right off the bat, it's unconstitutional. You're going to have to have people get together, peacefully open carry, peacefully disregard the law, and it's going to have to be a it's not a law though
Starting point is 00:10:06 well this is the decree this is the question i have we my position is almost always you know we challenge the law through the legal system when when legislatures pass laws it's something we have to get active on with knocking on doors and filing lawsuits. Many of these laws are unjust and get removed instantly. It is extremely likely that this thing is going to be struck down almost immediately. However, the governor did it on a Friday intentionally so that she's guaranteed a few days of this being in effect, which is using the procedure as the punishment. What do you say to the average person? This is not law. This is unconstitutional. And I would argue should be considered seditious or illegal on the part of the governor. It should be legal. It should be a criminal act to subvert the
Starting point is 00:10:55 constitution. And it is actually. The question is, who will the police in what direction will the police side to enforce this? Do we then say you must abide by decree of governor? Well, that's not legal in this country. In which case, we would say to people, disregard decree of governor? Well, now you've got police saying you're inciting criminal actions or something to that effect. The law is broken. The legal system has shattered. You're saying if you tell a cop in Newxico to defy the governor that you're committing
Starting point is 00:11:25 a crime no if you tell someone they should keep in bare arms regardless of the decree you are now inciting someone to as per the governor's view violate their public health order under executive powers which is not law but the police will say you're inducing someone to commit a crime so i did just look this up. This is kind of interesting because I agree with a lot of that. Like there is no provision that allows the governor to defy, you know, the Bill of Rights. That's very basic. But they're having state police enforce this, which is why I was really curious what the New Mexico state constitution says about it. constitution of new mexico provides quote no law shall abridge the right of the citizen to keep and bear arms for security and defense for lawful hunting and recreational use and for all other
Starting point is 00:12:09 lawful purposes but nothing herein shall be held to permit the carrying of concealed weapons which was kind of interesting so this is the new mexico bill of rights section two and uh right to bear arms is article two section six and uh it's exactly as you said we have it pulled up here and this was um it looks like as of november 2nd 1971 so the governor if the police i'm hoping the police just say here's what needs to happen we need a statement from the head of state police publicly right now to the press this is not correct it will not be enforced the citizens have a right to keep and bear arms you know as as regulated and we will not arrest anyone i'm sorry i've seen it happen too many times we all know uh the story a story that
Starting point is 00:12:59 i heard about it's actually relatively prominent a woman from pennsylvania was going to atlantic city she had a revolver in her purse she gets she crosses the bridge into jersey and gets pulled over officer comes and says you know i pulled you over and she goes i don't and then she says but i do want to let you just keep make sure you're informed i i do have my my weapon my my gun on me i do have a permit for it and it's here in my bag and he went thank you ma'am out of the vehicle please you're under arrest that's a felony and wow the only reason uh so this is a story that was told to me by a gun shop in new jersey apparently it was a big deal the only reason she got off was that her lawyers pulled up a a
Starting point is 00:13:41 case where a celebrity was given a special pass. What's her name? I don't know the woman's name. I was at a gun shop. This is what the guy told me. I've heard this story, too. I can verify that this story has gone around. Right. There was some celebrity who got special treatment.
Starting point is 00:13:57 Their lawyer cited this case, and then the DA was like, okay, drop it, drop it, drop it. We're going to lose this one. It's going to set bad precedent. But the only thing that matters to me is that the cop, with a smile on his face, said, ma'am, I know the bridge is five minutes right there. I could turn you around right now and say, just bring it home.
Starting point is 00:14:10 But I want to destroy you. Instead, he decided, I'm going to ruin your life. Right? Like, so, I'm, like, there's a lot of people that are ACAB and there's a lot of people that are very, oh, don't cross the thin blue line. Both positions are stupid. Right? Both positions are stupid. You have to have some amount of policing in your society and in your community. And if you go to communities that are riddled with crime and you talk to the normal people that are not committing crimes, they're like, send more cops. We need more police because we need to get these people that are committing the crimes off the streets. If you go to places that are high crime, the police know the people that are committing the crimes off the streets if you go to places that
Starting point is 00:14:45 are high crime the police know the people that are committing the crimes they can pick them out usually it's a you know if it's a major city a couple hundred couple few hundred or whatever you could lock those people up and that'll solve a large portion of the crime that doesn't mean that every time a cop pulls you over it's a good idea to tell them all your personal private in information concealed is concealed hush if a cop pulls you over i think you have to tell about your gun you have to tell about your gun i i think they are trying to create physical conflict in this country there's look these videos of the feds arresting j6ers with rifles pointed at them some like portly fellow walks out of his house in his shorts like scratching his face like huh
Starting point is 00:15:31 and they're just all pointing rifles what happened in provo utah when they went in that guy's house shot and killed him it it appears maybe it's not the gays but it certainly appears like they are doing everything they're possible to provoke a violent outbreak. This right here in New Mexico is basically chucking dynamite into a crowd and being like, let's see what happens. A lot of the case that you were talking about earlier where the cop you said actively chose, he made that decision
Starting point is 00:15:56 to ruin her life or at least make her life extremely difficult for the next few years. That's where I've learned a lot, just being around Donut Operator Cody, my best friend. I've learned a lot uh just being around like you know donut operator cody uh is more like my best friend he's great i've learned a lot about policing and different stuff like that through his eyes and stuff like that and a big thing that he harps on is officer discretion with stuff like that like that that's something that and i think that's where a lot of the nuance gets lost between like the a-cab crowd the thin blue line crowd like
Starting point is 00:16:21 officer's always wrong the officer's always right like officer discretion is really an important thing that is not utilized enough and i know that there's a lot of officers a lot of police officers that don't live in the towns that they that they police and i understand that there's a lot of security issues that can come up and and their safety issues if you're if you're in a place that's got a lot of crime and you're actively throwing people in jail and you live in that town, then there's a possibility of retribution and stuff. I get it. But if you have police officers that you see regularly and you know you can have a rapport with them and the police officers can have a rapport with you. If a cop knows that you're not one of the handful of garbage cans that are out there causing all kinds of problems in town the cop should and i
Starting point is 00:17:05 obviously it's not every cop but the cop really should take that into consideration so shout out to elon musk uh for helping bring awareness to this he just responded but it's like his response is already generating a reaction so i do the the story i tweeted the story out. Holy F. And so a whole bunch of people have jumped on it. That's what gives me hope, is that this was such a bold and psychotic move. It's like dropping a boulder into a pond. Everyone
Starting point is 00:17:36 notices the bang and the massive splash just shocked everybody. And the cops, the New Mexico state cops that are listening right now, or they're going to hear this story have an opportunity to exercise some discretion right now. You got to protect your citizens. I mean, especially if you swore an oath to the Constitution of not only the United States, but I imagine to New Mexico. So that's their obligation.
Starting point is 00:17:57 And you mentioned the Constitution of New Mexico. I'm sorry to cut you off real quick. But almost every state in the union has something that resembles the second amendment all of them every single one has something similar it's not the exact same thing but all of them have something like the second amendment because owning firearms is one of the things that is a clear indication that you are free california doesn't have one and it is biting them in the ass daily they must have you well actually i don't know they never really did it's a newer state relative to the rest of them but but yeah i mean so maybe hawaii doesn't as well but you know like seriously it's like the the the second amendment is supposed to
Starting point is 00:18:39 to be you know supremacy clauses means that it's supposed to be the supreme law but you know so man you know i was we were the culture war this morning was was was very interesting uh i thought it was pretty good poor alex didn't really get a chance to speak didn't really speak so i can't really you know thanks for coming anyway buddy but uh brown awu is here and the general sentiment among many of these leftists one thing i love what they do is they take tweets of mine where I say something like civil war, but they remove the context of why I said it. So it's just a bunch of tweets that blanket say civil war, whatever. But it'll be like, I don't know, there'll be an article that says something to the effect of far left extremists, you know, opens fire killing so and so. And I'll be like civil war.
Starting point is 00:19:20 And then they'll remove that story and just snip the little statement. And that imply that I'm insinuating that there's some kind of uh or that i want to happen quite the opposite but uh in our conversation every single time it comes up someone will say to me touch grass right is the old meme go talk to regular people and my response is just do you think that during like the first the american civil war that some dude walked out of his house in atlanta looked at his neighbor and said do you want civil war and then the other guy went i certainly do ah let's fight no if you lived in new york and you lived in in atlanta you'd walk outside and no one's talking about it because your life was
Starting point is 00:20:00 different you were focused on your farm or your shop or the minutia and routine of your daily lives. Everyone seems to think that you need a mass mobilization of half the country rising up and formally declaring hostilities against the other half, and that's never been the case. In this instance, the reason why this story is alarming, we've just quite literally been talking about lexington and concord over the past week when a couple hundred redcoats were like hand over your guns and they were like not you know you can pry it from my cold dead hands
Starting point is 00:20:34 and then they tried and that's considered a handful of militiamen maybe it's a little hyperboxy handful but local militiamen, regular people who had weapons, saying no was the first battle of the American Revolution. The shot heard around the world. And to even further your point, going back to the American Civil War, after you've got the revolution with Lexington and Concord, but in the American Civil War, there's always usually a focal point that happens. And it's usually some sort of government decree of some sort because uh the one in the american civil war a lot of people point to is when lincoln uh went to the south and he went to a lot of southern states and said i expect you to send me 75 000 troops so we can go invade the states in rebellion yep which is it was like
Starting point is 00:21:23 i think he demanded a north carolina and a few others and the in the response was overwhelmingly i think we're gonna secede instead yeah so a lot of people always get mad when we talk about this stuff they're like you're not a historian and you're getting the facts wrong it's like okay dude i read i read a couple academic historical papers and watch a few documentaries so i'm probably wrong but the general my general understanding was that seven i think it was seven states seceded before Lincoln was inaugurated. And then you had states, I think it was like Tennessee, West Virginia, well, not West Virginia, but Virginia itself, because there was no West Virginia. Virginia was like, you know, we kind of want to secede, but we probably shouldn't. And they're like, OK, so we're not going to.
Starting point is 00:22:02 Then Lincoln said, hey hey these states in active rebellion i'm gonna conscript troops to go quell that rebellion and that shifted sentiment in these states to where they were like okay now now you want us to go to war okay this is this has gone too far we want us to go to war with our neighbor yeah yeah it was like not not go to war with canada or britain or france or whatever like you want us to go to war with like the state that we border. Right. Are you, are you crazy?
Starting point is 00:22:27 But this, this shifted sentiment, but I do think it's fair to say that's, that's actually, we're, we're, we're so far away from that. Bleeding Kansas is a better example of where we may be today. And the American revolution may have better analogs with the Spanish civil war,
Starting point is 00:22:40 but bleeding Kansas was a seven year conflict that, that it not even just kansas but in the territories outside of the actual states in the u.s territories with the debate over which state would be a slave state or not you had people murdering each other so i look at this history doesn't repeat it rhymes what happens today will not be a one-for-one reflection of what happened back then because the internet i mean that's that's the easy one things are very different i have in in look man you know i'm talking to brianna woo earlier and she's saying like we need to stop being at each other's necks calm down and you know
Starting point is 00:23:18 move this country forward everything they're doing does nothing but escalate and i mean that the establishment the machine the doj let's i won't even take democrats i'll say the doj when you have joe biggs get 19 and a half years in prison for for this stuff i'm like yeah you realize that's just going to make everyone angrier they like to say that it's absurd to bring up the concept of civil war so i asked a few simple questions of Brianna. Do you think the people that stormed the Capitol when Joe Biden wins in 2024 will just pat their hands and say, well, good game, everybody. We're done.
Starting point is 00:23:55 Or do you think they just say we are still angry, angry enough to break into the Capitol building? There's been no logical assessment by anyone trying who has takes issue with barbara walter stephen marsh or i there's been no logical argument against anything we've said and these are those are two democrats i'm citing specifically who have said more so than i that we are we are we are in or actively facing civil war there's been no argument as to what the off-ramp would be. Yeah, and that goes back to the classic meme of, like, who radicalized you?
Starting point is 00:24:30 You did. It's those... It's the actions of those people. Because they're just... It's almost a direct comparison to what people like Jordan Peterson have said about Ukraine. We need to figure out what victory is, because it's like, is winning a good thing in the long run? It's like, do you want to, if you rub your nose in the cat piss,
Starting point is 00:24:52 is that really winning long term, or are you just building resentment? Are you making things worse? That's, and I look at what the DOJ is doing. A video was just put up, I think it was Julie Kelly, of Enrique Tarrio on the day of January 6th, her he's being filmed they were filming this and he had no idea they got in the building he was surprised to see it and the evidence is all there this is a fabrication against him according to her tweet the feds tried to get enrique to say that he was working with trump or that trump had some involvement they wanted to connect trump directly to Proud Boys so they can put a brand name on insurrection and say Trump orchestrated it,
Starting point is 00:25:30 likely to remove his name from the ballot. Enrique refused, so they give him 22 years. Plus, it'll be 22 and a half. You know what I said? There is something Joe Biden can do if he wants to simmer things down. He can issue a blanket pardon of all the room of all j6s right now and he can say like shay's rebellion he can say it was wrong of what you did but we cannot survive as a nation if we're constantly at each other's throats that's why i think it's fair to say for those that have spent time already time served and for everyone else we are giving you a good faith effort they won't well they might that's we gotta make sure that we don't go so far as to say that the solution won't happen you have to propose a solution and allow it to hang so i get what
Starting point is 00:26:12 you're saying that that's that's probably a good perspective to have um that being said it will take democrats to stop the escalation like republicans can't like republicans and the people that are being persecuted by the Democrats, by the establishment, they're not in a position to say, okay, we're going to go ahead and chill things out. And the reason is because all of the things that they're accused of
Starting point is 00:26:37 are all things that are legal. They fabricate stuff. The guy from Infowars that's going to go to jail. Owen Schroeder. Owen Schroeder. Owen Schroeder, he was speaking. Tario was talking to people.
Starting point is 00:26:52 It wasn't incitement. These are such tortured accusations and they have to be stretched and twisted so much to make them fit. It's ridiculous. Because of that, it has to be the people that are in the position of power saying,
Starting point is 00:27:09 okay, we're going to stop using our power because the people that are not in positions of power are not in any position to say, we're going to stop escalating because they're not the ones escalating. Exactly. Tim, you brought it up. Fonny Williams actually refused to indict these people.
Starting point is 00:27:24 So that's an example of someone in power not taking the next step. Here's a story from TimCast.com. Fulton County Special Grand Jury voted to indict Lindsey Graham and two other GOP senators. Wow. The Special Grand Jury in Fulton County, Georgia, recommended charges against former President Trump, 18 of his associates, as well as South Carolina Republican Senator Lindsey Graham, as well as Georgia Republican Senators David Perdue and Kelly Loeffler. It is only because I don't I think it doesn't serve the political ends of the Democratic Party that they overlooked these elements of these individuals in the indictment.
Starting point is 00:28:03 For what purpose are they going to go after these individuals? Is it going to help them remove Trump? No, they went after Trump's staff and his lawyers. Here's what matters. It brings up a good point. The DA did not take that step. However, I push back on this. The DA took the most extreme step
Starting point is 00:28:20 of arresting Trump and Trump's lawyers. This shows the political nature of the indictments. If the grand jury said these people, as well as the other 18 plus Trump, should be indicted, and finally goes, not these three. It shows you that everything she's doing is purely political.
Starting point is 00:28:36 It also shows you in these districts, it doesn't matter what is true, a grand jury will indict sitting members of the Senate. If asked to. That is the sentiment of touching grass. It's the funny thing about when people say, oh, go touch grass. Like, you mean like a grand jury that tried to indict three Republican members of the Senate?
Starting point is 00:28:56 Those are regular people that are called in for jury duty, are given evidence and said, would you criminally charge members of of the senate they said absolutely so you want to go talk to regular people i'm telling you man people are ready people are angry and of course it's never going to be 90 or 80 but i think the american revolution was the colloquial term was a third for a third against a third don't care it's actually more like closer to 40 percent were in favor of closer to like 20 some odd percent were opposed and the plurality was like we just don't care at all if we were going to have if there's gonna be an american revolution too it would just be like the constitution is written so that we can revolve the laws and create an internal revolution without having to overthrow the government so like it would be a technical revolution which we're kind of seeing with the internet but like uh it wouldn't be like an attack
Starting point is 00:29:48 it would be a change in the system it was it doesn't have to be it could be cool it was naive of the founding fathers to assume that men in power would agree to give it up because it was written on a piece of paper i don't know i i think that's a bit of an overstatement that they that they were unaware that men uh well considering the the statements of Thomas Jefferson, I know. They were very serious about what happens to countries. Although it is true that Jefferson walked that back, the Tree of Liberty statement, and said, that's a little bit too egregious. That was pre-war talk.
Starting point is 00:30:19 It was also pretty specific on a time frame, which was a little aggressive. What was it, 20 to 30 years he said he saw he saw what happened in france right because like what year did he say that oh sorry i'm not sure exactly what year he said it but the point is like the french the french revolution that happened like right around it started like right around or after the 1807 yes like so and they were you know there were americans that were going over there and and talking to the to the French because there was all this talk of liberty and stuff. The French Revolution was- Oh, it began in 1789.
Starting point is 00:30:50 Yeah, it was an S-show, right? It was a total S-show. No, the French Revolution. The French Revolution. Oh, right, right, right. But it was an absolute S-show. That actually, same year as the Constitution and the formation of the United States. Yeah, it's not a coincidence.
Starting point is 00:31:00 Within a couple years, they just started killing everybody. The word terrorism comes from the French Revolution. The terror is what they called it. And that was just slaying people for the horrible crime of not being enough. Robespierre went full Mickey Mouse Fantasia, dancing people to the guillotine one by one. Psychos. And it was nuts. This is what people need to understand
Starting point is 00:31:26 about things like this. A grand jury voted to indict these men. The DA decided not to do it. The DA went after the president and his lawyers. So the DA took a more extreme action and I think it shows, as I stated earlier,
Starting point is 00:31:40 this is political. The important factor here is that it shows that regular people also want to see these things done that's what people need to understand about where this goes and i will say it right now there is one strong action that can be taken to stop it all a couple actually first the indictments against trump should be dropped and joe biden should pardon the january sixers and that is how when
Starting point is 00:32:05 you're trying to resolve a conflict you have to be the one to make the compromise and that would take so much of the wind out of the sails of the current trump campaign and the entire right at the moment like i i don't i seriously don't think it's ever going to happen because they're exacerbating i mean these personalities are saying more more more no matter what yeah would you do the same would you pardon joe biden hunter biden i didn't say i didn't say joe biden i'm asking if you would because like you said you have to be the first one to to make the the first move if you want to end this conflict would you be the one to do that so let's let's slow down and talk about the specifics of charges against trump over january 6th and the people on january 6th if joe biden and hillary clinton were criminally charged
Starting point is 00:32:46 and the democratic party the dnc over the steel dossier and those moves that were made against trump with russia gate i would i would sit down with me personally and say all of that goes away we're done and the j6 stuff is done and we start here and we try and figure it out i see it like that i see it as a it has to be connected. It can't be like even Burisma. I don't think you can get a prisoner exchange without offering a pardon to Joe Biden and Hunter Biden and Hillary. Think of it as a prisoner exchange. If you can't find compassion and do it because you just want, you think it's a good move, think of it as like we're trading victims here to
Starting point is 00:33:25 try to end this is it with a white piece that would require them getting into some sort of legal trouble in the first place right and the issue is there there's nothing to drop as of right now that with hillary well you preemptively partner for this email scandal having sydney blumenthal having him set up osprey global solutions what's the point of of pardoning hillary clinton when she wasn't even prosecuted? To guarantee that she won't be prosecuted in the future. There's no chance that she's getting prosecuted. I think they feel like if Trump gets
Starting point is 00:33:54 into office, they'll all get prosecuted. I don't think Hillary will get prosecuted, but a lot of people are going to if Trump gets in. If she didn't get prosecuted the first time he was in office. If it wasn't happening then, it's... Well, I don't know. Trump is maybe about to go scorched earth. Now, I'm that i don't want hillary clinton to get prosecuted either like i hear your argument and i totally disagree i want to put all those sons of bitches in jail so that's just me though and there there lies the challenge they want to put all the j6s
Starting point is 00:34:19 in jail yeah and the only way we move forward right now is for one there are no charges against democrats for everything they did with russia gate andate and the Steele dossier, so it's a moot point. They would need to lay down their attacks and say, we're going to chill out right now and give a little and stop attacking so much. The fact that they're not is why I want to. The Republicans aren't doing anything. There's nothing for the Republicans to stop doing. Right now we say, hey, there's current active hostilities in lawfare. We're asking the Democrats stop.
Starting point is 00:34:47 The Republicans haven't done anything, so, you know, next question. Have they filed criminal charges against any of the Democrats over the Steele dossier? Over anything related to Russiagate and those lies? Has anyone done a deep investigation into what would happen with Ukrainegate and collusion between government and private law to go after Trump for subversion of our government? Was there a sedition charge? Nothing. So all that's happening now is, yeah, we're not throwing any stones over here.
Starting point is 00:35:18 We're asking you to stop. If they don't, then that I look, man, it's not about what should have what should happen is an election happens in twenty twenty four. The right person for the job wins and everybody says, OK, well, you know, we'll try again next time. That's that's not that brings up an interesting question, I think. Do you think there ever will be charges brought in the future over what's going on in Ukraine right now as far as like the Biden involvement? Yes. If Trump wins. Really? OK, well. Well, I'll put it this way. I believe that there is a probability it happens if trump wins outside of that no and that could be 17 you know what i mean i bet joe biden will pardon hunter the day before
Starting point is 00:35:56 he leaves office oh yeah of course he'll pardon hunter and hillary he might pardon a bunch of them yep of course he will that's that's what so that's why you that's why we got to pardon them first that's my point they're gonna i miss the entertaining days when the president would just pardon rappers and shit well trump did like if they're untouchable like play the game be like okay you're untouchable the issue right now i agree if they are going after donald trump in his first term to falsely accuse him of being a russian spy and then you're the whole time saying just pardon him for doing it it's like you know you've got someone who's shoved you up against the wall and put a blade to your neck and then you said you know the only way out of this is if i allow you to do it sounds like alex stein you're talking about actually i they pulled a knife on me on a show one time oh no i didn't know that yeah i'm saying
Starting point is 00:36:44 that the democrats yeah it was a joke but it was a real knife the democrats have been engaged in hostilities against the populist right since trump got elected and the right has done nothing except for january maybe i'm crazy man i i don't know if we're in the end i don't know if this is like revelation if the bible's real if forgiveness is actually valuable or if we're just tricked into thinking that kindness compassion forgiveness is valuable but it has to come from the people committing the acts it's only good in society supporters have done nothing since trump got elected if you only live is like we're only going to get past this if you apologize you never get what do we apologize for yeah what that's it's a blanket it's for everything they ever did for
Starting point is 00:37:24 what i'm apologizing for hillary's crimes before she has to but we're not you committed a bunch of serious crimes and continue to wage lawfare against us while we sit back and do nothing but we're gonna apologize to you this is how you end up dead this is how this is how this is how okay okay so then just give up everything i mean what the the way to end up dead is by suggesting a pardon? By constantly laying down and saying, hey, it's okay if you rain piss on us. Dude, what's the optional solution then? The option is lawfare.
Starting point is 00:37:56 Sue the absolute hell out of everyone that violates your rights. Trump wins. Fair enough. Trump lost by 42 000 votes that's that's in safe it's trump lost in 2020 by 42 000 votes is 0.00 did you tally the votes yourself how do you know that that number was accurate they give you a little bit they give you a little piece like it was 5149 don't worry about it you gotta you have to you have this is the most something i definitely don't believe vote tallies without seeing the code of the machines okay sure but now you're making different arguments that aren't
Starting point is 00:38:28 aren't 40 i'm sorry part of the conversation if donald trump lost by 42 000 votes across three states then the best course of action right now is ballot harvesting voter registration and political rallying commercials etc but i don't agree with the if i don't believe that he won by 42 000 votes i just haven't seen the proof you need to you need to prove me and show me the data and the code of the tallies so then what that's i believe that proprietary companies own our voting machines so you think you think they stole it from trump by hacking voting machines i think that it is undeterminable and i'm not going to believe one or the other unless i see the proof one way or the other so this is the way it works your options right now are to be trampled and have your rights stolen from you and destroyed to try to vote to win pick one these false binaries man what do you mean what are you
Starting point is 00:39:15 suggesting are you advocating for non for not voting is that the what do you what do you i guess are you advocating for so i can understand well i my point is that thinking that trump's gonna win is like a fantasy then you know what you're saying do you know what you are saying i'm saying that i don't trust the way the votes are tallied in this country you are saying they will not allow a peaceful revolution i do not believe they hijacked this country in 1913 man won in 2016 yeah i i remember that he did he can win again uh they are terrified that he's gonna win yeah he can win i just don't think it's likely now it doesn't matter if it's likely or not
Starting point is 00:39:56 the only course of action is every legal method to secure votes for Donald Trump in the hopes he takes action towards weeding out deep state corruption, cleaning up the DOJ. So what's the further than that? Something I would like to see that is a huge frustration for me because everybody's talking and everybody's caught up in the conversation of whether or not the election was stolen. What what what really drives me crazy is that there's concrete evidence of uh just different places where you know poll watchers are kicked out and and there's there's actual fraud when it comes to ballot counting all sorts of stuff and none of those people have been held accountable people making tiktoks and all sorts of stuff like those people like if their feet aren't being held to the fire then what is well let's let's say this
Starting point is 00:40:43 there are there is a preponderance of evidence of fraud occurring in several instances to the degree we don't actually know because the courts never adjudicated them absolutely there should be an inquiry and an adjudication however it's funny when you know uh i i don't think trump lost because of like fake ballots or flipping votes and voting machines i think that democrats outright said what they did in the shadow campaign article for time magazine that they had mass ballot harvesting operations that governors changed the voting rules in violation of the constitution and then when the state legislature said hey we have a question about this they said too bad so it's a procedural question not a fraud question do they allow
Starting point is 00:41:23 ballot harvesting and And they did when in many states it was legal and some states it was not. My point is only this. Conflict, crisis and violence is not winning. Violence erupting in this country is a defeat of anybody. If anything ends up happening where a fight breaks out, every time a fight breaks out or violence breaks out between the left and the right everyone's lost when january 6th happened trump and and everyone on the right took a strategic defeat even on the left everybody lost that day that what a horrible misuse of justice and politically the right lost a tremendous deal all we can say right now is
Starting point is 00:42:02 you are standing on a sheet of ice and it may be difficult to cross and it may be unlikely, but the only thing you can try and do is walk the edge and try and make it to the other side. We are hoping that there is a path forward through legitimate legal electoral means. And it seems to be based on all the data coming out right now, that's the case. It appears that what they're doing by indicting Trump and his lawyers and arresting the J6ers and decreeing guns are illegal
Starting point is 00:42:32 is a panicked, desperate attempt to create some kind of shock content where they can muster up something for 2024. Bud Light, Target, Sound of Freedom, Richmond, North of Richmond. The cultural victories are in the billions. Yeah, man. Private sector. That's where it's at. But that is reflected in the electorate with Joe Biden's numbers on the decline and collapsing.
Starting point is 00:42:53 You do not get $30 billion lost on Bud Light and no reflection in politics. Of course, the people who stopped drinking Bud Light are voting for Trump. There's, there's, there's, there's, there's, look, if you come to me and said, here's a guy who boycotted Bud Light over the Dylan Mulvaney thing, do you think he's voting for Trump? In no circumstance would I ever make a bet that person would vote against Trump. But if you look at the massive moves that were made against Target, Disney, Netflix, Bud Light, all of this is indicative of a populist, massive populist movement being successful. And the reason Republicans lose in 2020, they didn't do as
Starting point is 00:43:30 well in Congress, and they didn't do, and they win the presidency, is because the Democrats procedurally outplayed them. Universal mail-in voting, unquestionable. The 2022 election, though. The congressional election. The Republicans did not ballot harvest
Starting point is 00:43:46 they did not engage with with how the democrats were handling universal mail-in voting that was something that that trump did really well objectively in 2016 was the way that they targeted like you know uh mail-in voting and early voting and all sorts of stuff that that was it was a real shift for the republican party is to to focus on that in the campaign they didn't do it in 2020 which is mind-blowing i think it's like four to one Democrat ground activism versus Republican ground activism. Then you add in the fact that Democrats live next to each other and in suburbs, you have houses lined up, whereas in rural areas where conservatives live, the houses are far apart, meaning two Democrats can hit 100 houses in an hour and two Republicans can hit 15.
Starting point is 00:44:23 That is the advantage of the democrats in creating universal mail-in voting it was a procedural shift it was the bulk of how they pulled it off and trump only needs 42 000 in these key states so why are they indicting him in georgia they are panicked and desperate and need to get his name off the ballot because they can't win so everyone needs to recognize that the one thing they're hoping for, why are they decreeing guns illegal? They are desperately hoping that someone gets violent. About that, real quick on the guns, declaring guns illegal,
Starting point is 00:44:53 they used a public health announcement. And that was, I think, something that occurred to me. That's the same justification they used for violating everybody's rights over covid of course now the precedent so the the the covid stuff has now become precedent to violate your rights we saw it's coming yeah i mean it is but now we now we're seeing it actually start to materialize because you could really see where that was the where the excitement was building they're like oh wow these people will just roll over and let us do anything as
Starting point is 00:45:23 long as we call it a public health crisis as long as you say it's good germans the nazis did that too they were big on eugenics group exercise warning against alcohol and tobacco is a lot about public health i don't know how deeply they took that even the nazi verbiage uh when they were talking about you know jewish people or whatever like that they were they were talking about it as like a plague an epidemic and like they used a lot of just the way that they talked about it their dictionary in that way was very reflective of a public health incident yeah when they start calling people elements or like dangerous elements yep yeah and and that's already happening to conservatives you know you know the the way that they have now again people
Starting point is 00:46:00 are going to go freak out and be like oh phil's making comparisons to world war ii and blah blah and that's not my point. But because it's not just World War II. There's all kinds of places where you have one group of people demonizing another people in order to get the population more broadly to hate on the people they're demonizing. So you can apply it to World War II, but you can also apply it to a bunch of other contexts throughout history it's not exclusively something that's happened uh you know in world war ii but it works you you had hillary clinton uh you know declaring all of the trump supporters throwing him into the basket of deplorables and since then and it was probably it was starting beforehand but since then like when she made that comment, that's really when it started to coalesce that people that were outside of the Democrat establishment that were acceptable, that had the acceptable opinions. If you're outside of that, then you are outside of of our democracy and you are to be ignored and marginalized as much as they want. And now they're
Starting point is 00:47:05 using the government to clamp down on people for having the wrong political opinion. Which is something I think Trump did better than anybody else. Like the deplorable thing. He takes, like his mugshot for example, he takes something that they think is going to be a gotcha, something that they try to use against him and he just twists it masterfully.
Starting point is 00:47:22 The man is a marketer. Didn't they do an event called the Deplora Ball? I was there. People danced and stuff. What was it? No, it was at the press club in D.C., and so you walked around eating hors d'oeuvres, talking to people.
Starting point is 00:47:33 Yeah, master of marketing. And Cassandra made, I think, little Keck frog statues to give away or something like that. It was adorable. And Antifa stood outside throwing rocks and bottles at random people. Should do that stuff. And Gavin McGinnis licked one of their faces. Should do that not in D.C.
Starting point is 00:47:51 You should do it in a place where you can carry guns. Well, the thing about D.C. is that if you're a far-left terrorist who's violently attacking old conservatives who are going to a building for a private event, the police won't stop you. Yeah. The police did not arrest... As far as I know, none of these people got arrested for physically attacking people the police don't arrest leftists that are doing stuff to conservatives if the leftists are doing stuff to like
Starting point is 00:48:12 police or if they're making a noise you might get arrested but if you're leftist attacking the right they don't arrest you i mean the entire summer of love 100 you you look at these people like these antifa people that are throwing essentially makeshift bombs i.e. something that would be registered as a destructive device in any other context yeah throwing them at you know government buildings and then the next day their bail is paid and then nothing ever happens that's that point that you just made that would be a destructive device that's 10 years in prison literally any other context every single thing that they were throwing at the the federal building Literally any other context. Every single thing that they were throwing at the federal building in any other context
Starting point is 00:48:47 would have to get an NFA approval. You'd have to go ahead and have fingerprints and your passport photo taken. And you have to be registered with the federal government. And they were throwing them. And it's a $200 tax. 10 years for...
Starting point is 00:49:04 God, that's... 10 years and quarter million dollar fine and I do know for a fact because I was there for some of it during some of the riots there were ATF on the ground there investigating some of that stuff nothing ever came of it of course not because it wasn't politically you know because they had to get
Starting point is 00:49:18 the braces oh of course yeah of course the braces were the real problem the braces were running around the Molotov cocktails being thrown into 250 yearyear-old buildings. It wasn't the literal communist revolutionaries that were throwing Molotov cocktails and firebombs at the federal building. You had to get the braces because... If that had been handled properly, would it have been like the executive Trump, the president,
Starting point is 00:49:40 would have issued like National Guard? I mean, or the state would have had like National Guard if they're firebombing or attacking a federal building. What was the federal police when they went out there? Well, because they were there. Marshalls? Oh, the ATF. It was the ATF. Yeah, the ATF was there.
Starting point is 00:49:52 And what was it, Portland? Wherever the federal building was. Yeah, I think it was. It was an amalgam of federal law enforcement agencies. So you had ICE, you had CBP, you had FPS. Even in the local ones, like where I was at at the time in Fayetteville, there was Molotov cocktail that was thrown into the market house there, like downtown,
Starting point is 00:50:09 because I think that was where George Floyd's family was from, if I'm not mistaken. It was an old building from the 1700s. And ATF was there the next day investigating. Nothing ever came of it. And technically that is something that is supposed to be an NFA registered item. But of course, nothing ever comes of it because that's not politically prudent i think that the uh the left wants the conflict
Starting point is 00:50:28 so they can use it as a pretext for removing the constitution that uh there are there are people on the left that do i don't i don't know i'm not going to say that it's the the your average democrat i think your average democrat is actually a uh a useful idiot the battle of evil yeah they're helping because they're idiots and because they don't pay attention. But yes, there is definitely,
Starting point is 00:50:48 I mean, there is a, we're in the middle of a cultural revolution right now. These fights that we're having, the culture war that we're having,
Starting point is 00:50:54 it is a cultural revolution. You can't say that we are in a culture war but say, no, we're not in a cultural revolution because there's the same thing.
Starting point is 00:51:04 Yeah, earlier when Brianna Wu was on the culture war she said that what's happening with J6ers holistically is the right direction. And I said the Proud Boys got two decades. Is that justified? And her position
Starting point is 00:51:19 was I did not look at those specific stories but I think generally it's good. And I said that is the banality of evil. The question of how do evil acts become commonplace? Because the average person just assumes it's fine, or it's the right thing, without looking at the individuals who are having their rights violated.
Starting point is 00:51:36 There is no circumstance in any sane person's mind where you knock over a temporary barricade, and you get 20, or you get 19 and a half years in prison there is no circumstance in a sane person's mind where you aren't even there and they give you 22 years only people who did not pay attention to these cases and don't care or are tribally satisfied by destroying the lives of other people would want these things to be the case i'll take it a step
Starting point is 00:52:04 further there's people that i know that i've talked to that uh think that even just being there because i've talked about a couple cases that i knew of just you know uh allegorically that were not even in the capital they didn't even get into the capital but they were just there at what later became the january 6th that they're trying to turn in the next 9-11 uh that were then investigated by the fbi and and were given a temporary ban from dc and a bunch of other stuff and people have argued in favor of that they're like yeah well they were there they should have known what that would become and what and i'm over here thinking like you are literally there to
Starting point is 00:52:38 listen to the then sitting president of the united states speak well there there are people who got uh but they fight from their jobs simply because they were in dc on january 6 nowhere near the capitol well what's crazy is that that even even if you were there even if you were listening to trump speak there who was you know well but let's clarify trump was not speaking at the capitol right right no no not at the capitol but they're but they're in dc the at a protest that is literally the first amendment is your right to peaceably assemble that is the first amendment in the bill of rights like that is that is a very constitutionally protected action and people are advocating well well they should have known yeah i i fully believe that they should have been targeted for that like that blows
Starting point is 00:53:20 my mind that people are even making that argument yeah there are people who lost their jobs because they were at the ellipse listening to Trump speak and then went home. And then people were like, whoa, you were in D.C. during January 6th. Don't know, don't care. So there are a lot of people who are in D.C. on that date who did not go anywhere near the Capitol who have had social repercussions just for that. It just seems to me. I don't know, man. There's no there's no logical argument against this getting worse.
Starting point is 00:53:50 And it's an unfortunate thing. I would much prefer to just play Magic the Gathering all day, play poker all day, then go skateboarding, play some music, and not be involved in anything like this. It'd be much better if I did one video per day where I was like like here are the new polling numbers donald trump wants to increase taxes on imports oh last night i thought chills but instead i was gonna message you and be like i just said figure i tell you in person if we win the culture war it's gonna happen in balder's gate you mean like we're gonna win a video game but the rest of the world just burns well what i meant was we'll be streaming online we'll have 100 million people watching or something like that like 10 million people will watch us stream a video game and like see the humanity in us and like
Starting point is 00:54:31 then the politics will become evident and obvious if they like you they believe you yeah the problem is i disagree there are people like you're not there's never going to be a degree of influence like that again uh because the way the internet operates i don't know you got guys like elon you got i don't know in fact you may be right but in a way you kind of it might be greater than it ever has been in the history of humanity the way that one human can rally the rest with the internet i don't necessarily know if it's one human but i do like the idea that now you have the entire information gathering source is open source uh for the first time so you're not uh relying on walter cronkite for
Starting point is 00:55:11 what america believes it's it's very uh well distributed now so like there there is a chance like that but i don't think it's going to be one person but yeah it would be it wouldn't be one individual one person's always the tip of the spear and then it's just but they're a result of their community yeah and but really what that meant that the cultural will be one in balder's gate is that if we continue to try and find a political solution to the military industrial complex it will lead us down to failure there's no there's no political there's no way to take power away i mean you need to inspire the masses and i think that's done through cultural endeavor scientific endeavor tv shows arts, arts and entertainment.
Starting point is 00:55:47 And then you get these six, nine-year-olds. By the time they're 20, they're ready to make something great. They already know. They've been thinking about it their whole lives, and they know how to do it. Do you need to inspire the masses, or do you need to inspire the 5% of people on the fence that aren't doing anything? It's fractal, so you only need to inspire a small amount that then will inspire small amounts will inspire small amounts that like it fractals out so you as an individual probably only need to inspire about a hundred thousand people maybe eighty thousand people probably the best case i've ever seen for that was ron paul like the the ramifications of
Starting point is 00:56:17 what ron paul did thank you we have a big life-size created a generation of uh of populists of libertarian populist types i look at so many of the people who today we talk with who come on the show and they're all like whatever their political views are they're like i used to watch a lot of ron paul that movement back in 2008 was more influential i i i bet you've got a uniparty democrats republicans sitting around a room being like if we just had a time machine we'd go back and we would not let ron paul anywhere near the presidential elections him and um dennis kucinich was was pretty cool he was good too yeah he was very good and mike gravel i thought those guys were and then uh you ended up with only a few years later after obama the left and right-wing populist uprising, for which Bernie is too weak to maintain and caved, and Donald Trump, who kicked the doors in.
Starting point is 00:57:10 And the corporations are like, let's profit. And the CCP is like, let's control. Let's manipulate. Create TikTok. Spam their children. It's fascinating to me. One of the talking points that we had earlier with the culture war was I was asked if I thought the intelligence agencies should be destroyed, and I said that almost all of them should be fired in government. There needs to become some kind of civilian oversight audit of all of these systems and a termination and a restructuring.
Starting point is 00:57:38 Because I am not the anarchist libertarian, shut it all down overnight, just ban everything. I know Thomas Massey is like, no more DOE. I'm more like, you know, audit, termination, or maybe even immediate termination, then audit, and then assessment and restructuring or dismissal. I can't think of a better formula for rot in D.C. than a federal agency that, by definition, cannot expose its dealings to the public that just seems like a breeding ground for really bad stuff but I said that the intelligence agencies were abject evil and I was like I don't understand how anyone especially on the left or democrat
Starting point is 00:58:17 after everything they've done and we know they've done would sit here and be like no they're good and necessary the NSA well we know all about the clapper lying to congress and the be like no they're good and necessary the nsa well we know all about the clapper lying to congress and the mass spying they're doing the fbi should we bring up martin luther king jr yeah but the interesting thing is what we're told by the left is climate change is bad the oceans have acidified the trees are being torn down the world is on fire and it is the fault of us in these corporations by the way they're being propped up by the u.s intelligence apparatus going to war around the world to maintain the petrodollar and then i have people come in here and say but they're doing good
Starting point is 00:58:54 work and i'm like not by your own logic if you want all of these bad things if you think america is bad fundamentally racist mass polluting and needs to stop well then why would you agree with the intelligence apparatus maintaining all these things by like you know why would you agree with the u.s military securing oil in syria with with soldiers you'd be like oil's bad stop sending our soldiers overseas to guard it but they don't they have this it's a contradictory worldview of we we like the war in ukraine for for gas and oil and we like international conflict but we'll pretend sometimes that we don't uh it's like conflict resolution i think that's part of the psyche of the human is
Starting point is 00:59:36 desire to overcome some sort of conflict like build self-esteem i find it in video games you know probably people find it with their kids probably i don't have kids but like what do you how do you find your conflict resolution working out helps me too sounds like you're talking about the power principle that that uh uncle ted was talking about ted kaczynski yeah no what is it do you ever read you ever read the manifesto so i actually i real quick before on that i was i was shocked at the lack of uh i guess inspiration that his death led to i i immediately saw him like oh ted kaczynski died i'm like and it's very public like that's going to lead to a massive rise in people reading that book and realizing uncle teddy k had some points you know that i know that's that's the
Starting point is 01:00:17 scary thing is uh sticks sticks hex and hammer made a really great point a while ago we were on a panel uh someone tried quoting some white nationalist guy. And then my response was, why are you bringing up a white nationalist in the conversation and his views? And then Sticks said, yeah, the guy's got bad views, but let's not discount an accurate quote because a bad person said it. And I'm like, oh, I completely agree with that. My view was kind of like, I think that person's trying to goad us into jumping into their, you know, conversation about Israel. But Sticks made a really great point in that a lot of really bad people said a lot of really important things. You know what I mean?
Starting point is 01:00:54 And it's like, Hitler liked dogs. You know what I mean? that you're discarding and challenging all the really dark and evil things, but you don't immediately assume everything is always going to be dark and evil, because then we'd all be like, liking dogs is bad because it makes you like Hitler. Same thing with good people, like Martin Luther King was a womanizer, but you don't shred his meaningful message because he slept around and cheated on his wife.
Starting point is 01:01:17 We'll tell that to the FBI. Oh, yeah. Yeah, let's jump into this story from the Post Millennial. Rich women of the view want illegal immigrants in new york resettled elsewhere uh what no no no no no no this is a sanctuary city okay but frankly you know i think we need to find and we've dealt with this before i i lived in in miami i was a migrant an immigrant in miami in the 80s you'll remember when we had the Mariel boat lift. 125,000 Cubans came
Starting point is 01:01:48 in a matter of six months. It puts tremendous stress on a city, on a community, on the social services. They need to be resettled elsewhere. They need to spread out. It's a massive country.
Starting point is 01:02:02 It's only going to get worse with global warming and climate change. Okay, I'm going to pause right there, Joy Behar. And I don't know the other lady's name. No, you're a sanctuary city. You voted for it. New York is a sanctuary city. We should keep sending more. In fact, I hereby call on all border states to send as many people as possible to New York City.
Starting point is 01:02:21 They absolutely should. Well, a lot of places, especially like New York, and these people will vote for stuff because they're so isolated from it like they're not there they're not on the border oh yeah you know texas new mexico arizona they have to see it every day because that is where the flood is coming yeah and they're they're over there two and a half thousand miles away like oh this is fine oh we should be a sanctuary city i'm like that's really nice you don't have to deal with it it's not your problem. And that's why they can have those opinions because it's not real to them. It's an abstraction that they don't have to worry about
Starting point is 01:02:52 that doesn't touch them. Now that's why Eric Adams is all, oh, we're always going to be a sanctuary city because the number of actual illegal immigrants that they were getting because of their geographic location was totally manageable as soon as you change the situation and start launching people into new york city all that of
Starting point is 01:03:13 that bravado about where sanctuary cities that stuff's out the window because in reality these policies that they swear up and down that they want to have don't effing work. Period. Just don't work. Like, you have bumped into reality. And when your ideology bumps into reality, reality wins. Every friggin' time. You are on the border.
Starting point is 01:03:40 You live on the border. My house is probably, as a crow flies, like maybe two and a half, three hours from the Mexican border. Two and a half, three hours? You're running for the House of Representatives for the 23rd District? Yes, TXCD23. What's the border situation like in your district? It's atrocious. The Texas District 23, I liken it to a dual-, right? It's like the western side of San Antonio
Starting point is 01:04:05 to the eastern side of El Paso. So it has more border frontage in that district than any district in the country. And it's just insane. You see a lot of these border towns and whatnot are dealing with this problem every day. And you have the class of rich liberal intellectuals that can postulate about these things but they don't have to see it they're isolated from it so they they they they get to have these you know fantastical opinions about oh this is what the way we should be treating them and oh i can't believe you do that but they're not seeing the fact that and now a statistically uh important percentage of the u.s population in the last five years the increase in the u.s population
Starting point is 01:04:45 has come from illegal immigrants crossing the southern border you know what the number is i i heard the the the term five million or the the figure five million the other day in the last uh i think since biden took office i'm not sure if that's correct i imagine so many of them are undocumented yeah five million that are documented that are away the people are aware of so like is this no real way to know is this yeah what's the sentiment of that are away the people are aware of so like is there no real way to know is this yeah what's the sentiment of the people in the 23rd district like oh from especially not only just from common sense but from all the polling that we're doing is like the the immigration issue is the number one issue in the district these people are fed up with
Starting point is 01:05:20 it and they're fed up with the way that politicians are handling it how would you protect the district what would you do different i so i i like a lot of like chip roy's stuff some of the stuff he's put up which like tony has actively worked against tony gonzalez the the incumbent republican i'm running against uh because he's it's it's it's basically just trying to shut down the border entirely which is what the guy is trying to do that's what chip roy yeah chip roy is actually i would say a really, really good Republican. He's he runs the district that Bernie Texas right down the road for me. That,
Starting point is 01:05:50 that, that district he's, he's got some really, really good stuff. Like he's, he's a very firm border guy. Shut it down. Like what would that,
Starting point is 01:05:57 first of all, what does it even look like? Is it just flat? People could just walk across a sidewalk or is there a river? It depends. There's there's, well, there's,
Starting point is 01:06:04 there's a river there that, that, that's a lot of the viral footage that's gone, you know, around the internet lately where they had the, the buoys with the, the quote unquote saw blades in the middle. Oh yeah.
Starting point is 01:06:12 Oh yeah. Those are real. We got to remove those now. Yeah. I think there, there's been a lot of moves by the Biden administration to actually actively remove border barricades and things like that. Were those put up by locals?
Starting point is 01:06:23 They were put up by the state, I believe. I believe. And it's like, they were floating buoys with literal saw blades between the buoys so people swim through their wires yeah yeah i looked at it it's not like a like a malicious looking saw blade it looks like a piece of you know sheet metal that has a jagged edge it was cutting people and killing them or something i don't try to cross no no no no no it wasn't it's obstructing u.s waterways that's why they have to remove it okay so that's it when you say shutting down what would a shutting down of the border look like because i feel like it's not like what does that mean exactly well there's a lot of border patrol
Starting point is 01:06:53 folks especially that are tasked with managing that section of the border that aren't given the equipment and anything that they they need so that they're purposely being uh i guess suppressed in that way there's a lot of frustration and a lot so uh is the headline excuse me headline from the new york daily news two bodies found stuck in rio grande floating barrier along u.s mexico border according to mexican officials yeah if you didn't know saw blades were in there you might try and swim and climb over it but i don't know if there's saw blades in there i don't think the the saw blades were the reason why they died it's what's something that's also not really talked about very often is that uh finding dead migrants is just a thing that happens in the front of texas
Starting point is 01:07:34 all the time like there's a there's a ranch down the road in in uvalde that we go to a lot uh that uh has had issues with that where like there are literally dead migrants will wash up and they just find them and that's that's a good uh two hours in from the border i feel like historically it's been the most when when countries have had to deal with mass mass migration like against their will that it's been the most gruesome defensive measures have been taken and they just don't document it because like otherwise or you hear about the roman empire getting overthrown by the immigration and let me be let me be really clear this is not like u.s defensive border policy that's killing them it's it's just the elements if you've ever tried to walk anywhere in texas with limited provisions for days at a time that
Starting point is 01:08:18 is a very very deadly venture if you're not careful walk a mile like today outside here never mind through the desert in Texas. Well, Texas is like over 100 for the entire time I was there. Yeah. The entire last week I was just back in San Antonio. It's like 107 degrees is kind of the normal in the middle of the day. What would be an example of U.S. defensive measures?
Starting point is 01:08:40 A wall. A wall. You know, it's one of those things where it's like, you know, you can call the wall what you will, but a lot of Democrats said that the wall was just a massive waste of money. Some of the lower estimates were like single-digit billion dollars, like $8 billion, but we can give hundreds of billions to Ukraine. Yeah, that's money that they need to send to Pakistan to teach kids about gender studies. Right, right.
Starting point is 01:09:00 So it's like that's a good starting place. And also giving the Border Patrol folks the equipment and the things that they need to actually do their job. Like what? What equipment? Whether it's just, A, the ability to staff the people that they need, like the people they need to actually work at the border, vehicles, access to resources. And the states are willing to do that, but the federal government isn't. Oh. The federal government.'t oh the federal
Starting point is 01:09:25 government are they withholding federal funds from the the process or are they actually legally impeding state defense i'm not sure if they've legally impeded state defense they're they're like doing a lot like a lot of stuff like this i've seen there was one example i think it was the uh it was the the countermeasure that they put up in the water they were told to remove. But there was another one, I think it was in Arizona or New Mexico, that they were told to take the barrier down. Yeah, the shipping container. Thank you. They blocked off waterways with shipping containers?
Starting point is 01:09:53 Nope, just flat ground. And they made a makeshift wall using shipping containers, and they were like, you can't do that. And they're like, why? And they're like, we don't know, but you know. Oh my God. Yeah, so it's like a state trying to protect their own border, and the federal government actively said, and know and it's not a tax it's not a taxpayer money
Starting point is 01:10:08 thing because they if if that were the case they would just leave it there but they said no you actively have to remove this now someone said it was on twitter that the reason that they're allowing the federal government's allowing such mass migration is immigration is because uh the birth rates are down and they need new slave labor the tongue in cheek slave though they need new citizenry and like unless we're going to have a bunch of kids they're the writings on the wall and they need a larger population if they were that philanthropic about it i think they would openly say it yeah like we need more people right which is not the argument that they're making they're not they're not that transparent so there's there's obviously
Starting point is 01:10:42 something else at work what like a like, a wall? What else? I mean, is there any, how can you prevent this illegal mass migration? Well, there's a lot of things. Like I said, like giving, excuse me, giving like Border Patrol the tools that they need to actually do their jobs. A wall is a good start. But really, like a lot of the things that I think that would help are uh you know just the the removal of a lot of the entitlements too because it's like if you remove entitlements a lot of that desire to migrate goes away like you've actually seen too and it's it's a it's an actual uh observable effect the way that the u.s economy fluctuates has effect on
Starting point is 01:11:23 illegal immigration from mexico yeah which is a really interesting stat. You talk about that. That's one of the things that like libertarians like a lot. Like, so there's a lot of open borders, libertarians that don't, they're kind of like, you know,
Starting point is 01:11:34 people don't, you know, countries shouldn't exist. You should just be able to move freely where you want and stuff. The only kind of borders that there should be are property borders for property rights. If you have a, if you have property,
Starting point is 01:11:44 you can say people can come onto it, but you can't states shouldn't be able to do that and stuff and to me it's compelling in the idea that like people should be free right like that's genuinely that's what my gut instinct is but you can't have an open border and be giving away the type of entitlements that we do here in the u.s you know when you've got social security unemployment all kinds of all kinds of social programs that are that are available to people that come to the u.s that that come to the u.s or that are that are citizens of the u.s if you get rid of the entitlements then you can have open borders because the situation is you want to come here and work come work even just listen to the conversation that they're having about in new york and where
Starting point is 01:12:28 they're getting a lot of these migrants bust in the conversations they're having is like how do we logistically how do we feed these people how do we clothe these people how do we put them into homes how do we wash their clothes like how do we do all these things how do we teach their children it's like these are all just strains on the economic system. I have an idea. You don't. You don't. Because they're here illegally. And they shouldn't be here. Send them home. You got to go back.
Starting point is 01:12:50 I mean, go home. You know? Huge deportation. You support that? Now, hold on. It depends on what you're talking about. I propose a program where when people come to the border, we ask them, what country are you coming from? And we ask them a few,
Starting point is 01:13:07 we have a questionnaire about their country and our country, and they're allowed to stay because at the same time, communist leftists are lining up on the other side of the border, and we do a one-for-one swap with the anti-communist Venezuelans and Cubans
Starting point is 01:13:23 for the communist hipster Brooklynites. And I think we can all agree that's a good thing. That's like what people would do with prisoners of war. They call it repopulation, where they would just take a huge section of their populace and move it somewhere.
Starting point is 01:13:39 It's against their will. You're at the southern border, and there's a line of people and a guy walks up and is like, where are you from? He's like, Venezuela. And it's like, okay, and your views He's like, Venezuela. And it's like, okay, and your views on socialism? It's really bad. I want to go to America.
Starting point is 01:13:48 It's like, okay, and you, sir? Where are you from? I'm from Brooklyn. And you love communism? I do.
Starting point is 01:13:53 Swap! We're good. We just don't accept them back. Oh, you can't come back? No, you're gone. No take backsies.
Starting point is 01:14:00 You go to Venezuela. You go to Cuba. You go to communism land like you dreamed of so like social security goes to illegal immigrants at the at the moment i don't i really don't know what what kind of entitlements these people are getting at the moment i don't think it's social security but think about what you can get without an id yeah and there's a lot and so uh you can you can actually get an id without uh proper. And then once you have an ID, you can apply for literally anything.
Starting point is 01:14:26 People don't understand that our system of welfare, it's not like everything is integrated perfectly and they know exactly who everyone is all the time. It's not like this gigantic mainframe has your face, your social, your Facebook profile. And then when you apply, they're like, it all makes sense. Now, when you go to one agency, they're like, probably. That's why a lot of people who are not citizens get driver's licenses and they get registered to vote. There was an old lady who voted, not being a citizen because she got her license,
Starting point is 01:14:54 they automatically registered her. She did not know she wasn't allowed to do it or whatever, it doesn't matter, and they were like, that's a felony. You're going to prison. You're not a citizen. You can't vote. But it's like, that's how it works. And thank God there is no overarching entity that has all this information. Because could you imagine how scary the federal government would be if they were competent? It was just AI being like, you said 19 years ago, the way your eyes shifted when this was said indicates that you are not trustworthy.
Starting point is 01:15:24 Yeah, I've heard that the Department of Education is a total mess. The loan programs, who owes what, no one has any idea what's going on. Paperwork's lost and misplaced. The Department of Education gives out loans? In conjunction with... I don't know anything about that,
Starting point is 01:15:41 but I agree that the Department of Education is a mess. They took on a bunch of stuff. They've been spending more money every year since their inception in 1979. Grade scores have been going down every year since their inception in 1979. The idea that people couldn't be educated before the Department of Education is actually ridiculous. All of the important discoveries in the 21st century were made pre-1970, or in the 20th century, my bad, pre-1979.
Starting point is 01:16:10 Like, split the atom, design nuclear power plants, blah, blah, blah, blah. All this stuff happened before the Department of Education. We will be fine without the frickin' Department of Education. It's infuriating. People say that, oh, we're going to have people that aren't
Starting point is 01:16:25 in education, blah, blah, blah. Newton wrote the Principia. He figured out how gravity freaking works and the math to describe it without the Department of Education. I tend to lean on the side of, you know, government no matter what it's doing is the black thumb of industry. Nothing
Starting point is 01:16:41 will be better because the government runs it. It's like, should we take care of our veterans? Absolutely. That's a fantastic thing to do. Should we create a government program to do it? Fuh. That's where you get the VA and the absolute cluster that that is. I don't know
Starting point is 01:16:57 anybody that says they think the VA is really, really good. No. There's people that kill themselves in the VA regularly. There's people that kill themselves in the va regularly there's people that kill themselves in the va parking lot yeah no like literally i mean yeah like in the lobby yeah that's that is a thing that happens regularly and we don't talk about so like privatizing an aspect of that you think could be a good business opportunity uh not even a business opportunity but like just like it we i think at a certain point should look at the obligations that we have to our
Starting point is 01:17:25 veterans and realize like okay is there a private sector solution to this that doesn't end up like private prisons you know interesting the the thing about centralized power and authority is if it works okay i guess it's working decentralized might be better but when it fails the entire system fails that's the that's why that's. Even if you have a government program that works marginally or works even say well, right? Even if you have a government program that works well
Starting point is 01:17:54 you had to risk the government program not working being instituted, never going away because government programs don't go away. Look at the Patriot Act. Look at all the stuff that we still have that everybody talks about how much they hate. I think it was Milton Friedman. There's nothing more permanent than a temporary conversion program.
Starting point is 01:18:10 But why don't we attach sunset clauses to all new bills? I love this. I love, love, love this. Asking them to attach sunset clauses is like asking them to vote for themselves to get a pay cut. They just won't. I like sunset clauses.
Starting point is 01:18:25 That makes a lot of sense. Yeah, no matter what the law is. Because if it's a good law, everyone will be like, oh, okay, yeah, fine. Yeah, and a lot of programs would still maintain their funding. Like, all in favor of funding
Starting point is 01:18:35 the Department of Education, bang, no questions asked. You know, all in favor, not funding, but reinstating. Like, a lot of these programs would just stay. Some of them, people would be like, I have no idea what that what that program is like there's laws that shouldn't be on the books that are on the books and they just be like we've we've earned that well they never repeal laws they just stop enforcing them which is a terrible idea because
Starting point is 01:18:57 that means the government still has that power and then they can go ahead and say oh well he did this thing and you know what there's this weird, obscure law from 150 years ago. And we can blah, blah, blah. And we can charge him with this. They were doing that. I forget the name of the act, but they were doing that with Trump. What was it? The Logan Act.
Starting point is 01:19:14 Yeah, you know what I really want to do? If I was a cop in Florida, I would drive. I would look up in my jurisdiction, skydiving. I would ask them, like, where do you typically land, like, when you guys are coming down? And then, as soon as the women land with their parachutes, I would arrest them on the spot.
Starting point is 01:19:34 On Sundays? It is illegal for you to skydive on Sunday. And they'd be like, what? And I'd be like, here's the law. Bitches jail. That's's your fault you go to jail you go to boston they have laws i it's like you can't put a pie on your window sill on a tuesday or something like that it's like sunday and the reason was back when when everything was
Starting point is 01:19:57 really small putting a pie on the window sill could attract animals and it was like a church gathering where no one was around so then a bear would wander in the town. So they're like, you guys got to stop putting pies on your windowsills to cool. And so you show up, you look around for someone who's got a pipe near, because I don't think it was actually putting it on,
Starting point is 01:20:13 but I'll look through that window and if I see a pipe anywhere near that, I'm like, ma'am, you're under arrest. This is, it looks like the law you were referencing in Florida was struck down. What? No, my law. Does Florida have a law
Starting point is 01:20:22 in which unmarried women are not allowed to go parachuting on Sundays? And then it says not anymore, and it's doubtful there ever was. This is from skeptics. I'm very curious why it was specifically unmarried women. Florida? Oh, dude, dude.
Starting point is 01:20:33 In West Virginia, it's illegal to cohabitate unless you're married. So, like, you know what, man? We need reform in this country. Laws need to go away. Yeah. If you're going to enforce these laws against trump i want to see some cop be like uh excuse me sir i couldn't
Starting point is 01:20:50 help but notice that woman with you is going into the same building do you both live here we do you're under arrest you're not married you're under arrest imagine how much harder it is to be an attorney nowadays than it was in 1874 just how many more laws just by volume okay yeah it's a it's a it was a fine anyway was it because they didn't want to show their underwear or something it's only single women no parachute it was it was a petty offense so it's just a you get a ticket for it which is so weird i love these crazy old i just love that this is after the plane but before modern common sense oh was it what parachuting specifically yeah i don't know when the law was originated well i just assume it had to be after the airplane right because you
Starting point is 01:21:31 can't jump out of a plane with a parachute and i do think that base jumping came after uh planes because they had to invent the parachute yo this one really really irks me it's illegal in maryland to sell cars on sunday no A lot of states have that law. Is that still enforced? Yes. They're all shut down on Sundays. So when we were we needed a vehicle for guest pickup and stuff
Starting point is 01:21:55 when can I go? I do a morning show and a night show. I can't go during the week. Just Saturday. Ah, but everyone closes early on Saturday. So it's like the only day I could go to buy a car is Saturday. And then on Sunday it's like they're all closed. I think it's true in Virginia as well. Where's that law come from?
Starting point is 01:22:12 Church. Oh. Yep. Blue laws. That's what they're called. Blue laws. Yep. They had blue laws in called. Blue Laws. Yep. They had Blue Laws in Massachusetts for a long time. Stuff like you couldn't be...
Starting point is 01:22:29 couldn't have stores open on Sundays and stuff when I was growing up. But by the time I was a teenager, they were all gone. They actually... I think they actually did repeal them, but I'm not 100% sure. Wow. Blue Laws. A legal restriction designated for Sunday activity. Yep. Oklahoma, now you can not 100% sure. Wow. Blue law is a legal restriction designated for Sunday activity.
Starting point is 01:22:46 Yep. Oklahoma, you can't make faces at a dog. We got a listicle from BuzzFeed. Illegal to eat a frog if it died during a frog jumping competition. Pardon? Illegal to sing in your swimsuit. Oh, man. This is it. Florida, you go to Miami Beach, you put on
Starting point is 01:23:02 Bohemian Rhapsody, and then as soon as the people inevitably start singing, you go, ma'am, you're under arrest. You put on Bohemian Rhapsody, and then as soon as the people inevitably start singing, you go, ma'am, you're under arrest. You are under arrest. You don't sing. You can see their abs. You can't have a donkey sleeping in your bathtub after 7pm. No. In Arizona.
Starting point is 01:23:17 Bro, if I want my donkey in my bathtub, ain't no one telling me otherwise. Look at this one. Kansas, it's illegal to serve ice cream on cherry pie. I remember this one. This one's like a very famous example of a weird law and I don't know what the reason was they don't know how it got on the books it's against the law to eat an orange while taking a bath
Starting point is 01:23:33 some of these just had to be legislatures just screwing with people right of laws they're like wouldn't this be funny won't people talk about this a hundred years from now? Yeah. I don't understand no orange in a bath.
Starting point is 01:23:49 I mean, I know Florida is known for oranges. What? It's illegal to eat fried chicken by any other means than your hands? With a fork, you can't do it. A fork. Wow. That's funny. Here we go. In Louisiana, a woman can't drive a car without her husband waving a flag in front of it. That why i've never gotten a wreck also virginia as well
Starting point is 01:24:08 only on main street though the husband has to walk in front of her waving a red flag wow so single women can't drive period citizens dumb it's isn't made it's illegal to bite your landlord dude it's illegal everywhere to bite anyone. That's assault. Yeah, that's assault. What is this law? You can't throw knives at men wearing striped suits. You can't throw knives at anyone. Come on. Even if they, but maybe it's if they, if they're like, it's okay this time.
Starting point is 01:24:35 You're like, no, it's still not. Just so you know. It's like the once upon a time in Hollywood things. Like if I kill someone on accident, you know, these hands are deadly weapons. Vertical stripes cause an optical illusion, which messes with my balance. If anybody kills anyone on accident, it's manslaughter. You can't eat hamburgers on Sunday in Minnesota. That has got to change.
Starting point is 01:24:53 Wow. What a weird world. Can't eat cottage cheese on Sunday in Florida. Don't tie a crocodile to an alligator. Crocodile or an alligator to a fire hydrant. Well, okay then. I can see that being a fire hazard. You can't eat ice cream after 6 p.m. in New Jersey?
Starting point is 01:25:12 No, you can only purchase. You can't purchase it. Yeah. But you can eat it. Well, there you go. Welcome to America. I have no idea how any of that is real. It's illegal to push a moose out of a moving airplane.
Starting point is 01:25:23 You know that happened quite a bit in Alaska if they had to make it illegal. How do you get a moose onto an airplane? You just walk them on the back. Also, this is specifically cargo planes they're pushing them out of. That's cool. What's that strip in Montana? Or is it Wyoming? The strip of death
Starting point is 01:25:40 or whatever? The zone of death? Where there's no legal peers so you can't be criminally charged i don't know oh i've heard i've heard of that yellowstone yeah it's in yellowstone the show they use it as a prop montana 260 square miles no no that's the park is 260 square miles yeah there's a strip of land where no one lives and so the constitution requires a jury of your peers but there's no one in this jurisdiction so they can't actually convene it and it's the silliest thing that people would argue technically you could kill someone there and you can't go to jail because there's no jury and it's like dude
Starting point is 01:26:10 if you get on a boat and go out to international waters and then kill someone you will be charged with murder it doesn't matter where you are you can't just go and commit crimes be like ah but i was in a special place the zone of death is a 50 square mile area in the idaho section of yellowstone national park in which as a result of a reported loophole in the constitution of the united states a person could theoretically avoid conviction for any major crime up to and including murder i bet they'll still throw yeah it has to be an incident of somebody trying that what is wikipedia so there was a guy who killed like a bull moose or something
Starting point is 01:26:46 and then when they tried to criminally prosecute, criminally charge him for it, he said, oh yeah, I will challenge you on constitutional grounds and then they came back
Starting point is 01:26:53 and said if you do that we'll give you the maximum. If you plead guilty you'll get a slap on the wrist so he pleaded guilty. Oh, jeez. Yeah. Which means they were
Starting point is 01:27:00 not ready for that court fight. He'd probably win. But I think at this point the way things are going in this country, you can't expect the courts to actually operate. Yeah. When we were dealing with a lawsuit, the first question the lawyer we talked to asked is, which state are you filing in? Because if you file in California, you lose. If you file in West Virginia, you win.
Starting point is 01:27:22 Depending on what you're asking. If you are a leftist media publication in California and you file a lawsuit against a conservative, Republican West Virginia, you win. Depending on what you're asking. If you are a leftist media publication in California, and you file a lawsuit against a conservative, Republican, whatever, you win instantly. If you are a conservative in California and you file a lawsuit against a liberal, you lose instantly. West Virginia, more likely for the conservative, for obvious reasons.
Starting point is 01:27:38 And I'm just like, you know, when I hear things like that from my lawyer, I just don't think this country's in a healthy place. But that's the reality. It's like the the least unhealthy country but that doesn't mean it's that's true right we're we actually do really really well in a lot of ways but it's falling apart what's that quote it's like it's the democracy is the worst system except for all the others yeah yeah winston churchill we're not a democracy you know it's a constitutional republic and it's actually the best he was british so you know you're that thunder that's thunder thunder yeah sounds like it how's the uh campaign been so far really positive so
Starting point is 01:28:10 far it's been really nice uh we're we're accomplishing our goal of uh threatening the seat of a rhino so that's that's always a pleasure what are your um like tactics to campaign i mean obviously tv shows well so we're doing really uh it's been a lot of just grassroots efforts. So we don't have a lot of the big, we don't have any packs, any super packs, anything crazy like that. We've just been doing entirely grassroots. And really, it's kind of unconventional because this is the first time I think it's ever, anybody's ever utilized social media to the degree that we have for something like this. So a lot of it is Twitter meme warfare warfare instagram meme warfare getting it kind of you know tony gonzalez is one of those
Starting point is 01:28:49 politicians not a lot of people know about you know there's a lot of uh there's a lot of politicians whether it's aoc or uh dan crenshaw people that are very polarizing figures but that's only because people talk about them there's a lot of people with worse voting records people don't know about like tony because they completely slide under the radar. So bringing him into the public light and showing bad votes, like him voting for Biden's post-Evaldi gun control, you know, things like that, people don't know about it. What was his, that vote, the post communities act uh which voted to fund uh i think it was a lot of mental health stuff and a lot of states uh red flag laws and a bunch of other things that that came down uh after the uvalde school shooting that he not only voted
Starting point is 01:29:35 for but said he would uh he didn't regret voting for it and he would vote for it twice twice again on sunday like a red flag laws meaning if someone has some sort of psychiatric issue, they would come and threaten to take their weapons or something? Well, red flag laws are kind of their own interesting issue. Monstrosity. Yeah, it varies state to state, but realistically it's a way that people can, whether it's your neighbor who doesn't like that your tree
Starting point is 01:29:58 is too far over into his backyard, or it's your ex-wife who has an ax to grind, people can just call and say, hey, I think he might be doing something. You should go take his guns because I don't feel safe. And then the police will show up and do that. Has it happened? Yes.
Starting point is 01:30:12 And there are incidents of people dying in shootouts because of it. I think one of them was in Maryland, if I'm not mistaken. I might be wrong on that, but I think it happened. Recently? In the last couple of years. So this dude in Texas that you're running against that voted for that stuff, did it actually go through? Yes, I believe it did. Crazy.
Starting point is 01:30:30 Can you repeal that? If it's voted on, yeah. We have a story. Elon suing California? No, we'll just pull this one up. We're pushing into the Super Chat stuff, but this is from the New York Times,
Starting point is 01:30:46 and it was updated literally like seven minutes ago. New York Times says, Appeals Court rules White House overstepped First Amendment on social media. A Fifth Circuit panel partly upheld restrictions on the Biden administration's communications with online platforms about their content. Basically, they said that uh the biden
Starting point is 01:31:05 administration violated the constitution by telling social media companies to remove covid misinformation and uh i don't know that's a good thing that's a huge victory big victory right now the uh elon musk is uh acts as suing california under this law and uh not this one but under a law that basically would allow censorship and collusion and stuff so you know how you guys doing i'm doing pretty i love debating this stuff talking about covid like that's one of the biggest sadnesses of the 2021 is like i wanted to talk about it i wanted to find out what was better what was right what was wrong what was like and it's i understand the fear of like you don't want to go on tv and tell a hundred million people something that could get them killed like i get that aspect of it but
Starting point is 01:31:49 debating it and discussing it and questioning it and i also understand like terrifying health emergencies thing oh what if people are dying actually bleeding out you know from flesh-eating bacteria you don't want to tell them you know don't worry about it but the terrifying nature though of having our silicon valley overlords say that they are the arbiters of truth and that discourse isn't allowed if they don't agree with it that's that's it's a whole separate issue yeah and it should be i think that the federal government has a duty to to prevent that from happening personally sorry if they'll read my stuff no no the externalities are always the point or are always the problem. Like, so the things that the government wants to do, sometimes they're bad.
Starting point is 01:32:29 Sometimes they don't look bad. Sometimes they actually aren't a bad plan. But that doesn't mean that they can plan for all the externalities. And it's all of the things that happen consequently because of a law that gets passed that tend to cause problems because people aren't prepared for them. I mean, it's like if you pass laws that don't solve the problem, then you've got new laws, you've got enforcement, you've got people losing their rights and stuff like that, and you still have the problem. So, and once a law is passed, again, we talked about it earlier. Once a law is passed, it never gets repealed.
Starting point is 01:33:08 Because of the incentive in government, you're never going to have a politician say, you know what? That law is bad. The law that I passed, that law is bad and it's not working. We need to repeal it because my constituents are suffering. No, they're going to say, no, we need to do this and do more and blah blah blah blah it's never oh this isn't working we'll stop it's oh it isn't working throw more government at it what's easier to is to retcon it which is what that is an annoying trend i've realized where they retcon it where they say no no we never forced anybody to get the vax we never
Starting point is 01:33:40 forced anybody to do that it was it was something you know, you weren't legally required to. It's just that if you worked for the government in any capacity, whether you were EMS, a cop, any sort of position like that, we would just, you know, it was policy to fire you. But you weren't forced to. You had the choice. You could just, you know, quit your job, you know, two years before you retire. Like, it's just that retconning of...
Starting point is 01:34:05 No, that's called forcing people to do it. All right, we're going to go to Super Chats. If you haven't already, would you kindly smash that like button, subscribe to this channel, share this show with your friends, and become a member over at TimCast.com by clicking Join Us at the website
Starting point is 01:34:17 to support our work directly. And as a member, your memberships are used to fund a whole array of kooky cultural endeavors. I think the crazy thing we're trying to do right now is create an anti-Time Square. We're going to open a Casper Coffee Shop, a Cousin T's Diner,
Starting point is 01:34:32 a Papa Jack Pasobics Pizza Shack, and hopefully we can get a MyPillow brick-and-mortar shop, and then create this block-long downtown area in West Virginia of all of these businesses. That is... I got my eyes set on that. I think we can do it. All it takes is we go
Starting point is 01:34:48 one step at a time. So I'm excited for that. But that's basically what we do. When you become a member, that's what we're focused on. Alright, we're going to read your superchats. I'm going to start with this one. It's from a little later on, but I want to read it. The R Heretic, with his grossly incorrect assessment, said, watching Tim eat
Starting point is 01:35:04 his words on the Second Amendment after his naive counter to yesterday's guest from Venezuela about America's expanding gun rights in real time is worth $20, even if he doesn't read this super chat as usual. Except I was still 100% correct in everything I said. So, uh, guest basically said,
Starting point is 01:35:20 we're losing our gun rights, and that's actually not true. Yeah, with the expansion of constitutional carry and a bunch of stuff on the state level, we do it really well. Half the country is now constitutional carry. There's no question. The only reason the New Mexico governor can make this decree
Starting point is 01:35:32 is because New Mexico went from no issue to shell issue. And now that it's a shell issue state, they have to allow people to get guns, and now they're trying to go back to how it was in the 90s. And it's more than half. I think now it's like in the 90s. And it's more than half, I think. Now it's like, what, like 27 states? At least 26. Yeah, there's 26 listed, but maybe because one's pending. But it's more than half the country where you don't need
Starting point is 01:35:52 a permit. And see, your point is right. And the actual situation isn't that gun rights are contracting, like he said. It's that the government is overstepping its legal boundaries the federal government isn't isn't allowed to pass this law but it's right gun rights has been have been expanding tremendously dc versus heller was huge and now we have constitutional carry
Starting point is 01:36:19 across the board half the country and what happened in new mexico today was panicked desperation from a despot who's issuing a decree that will get struck down by the supreme court in two seconds and here's the best part when it does it will set precedent that executive orders can cannot infringe upon constitutional rights it'll probably a bit more narrow than that and they'll say pertaining to guns but hopefully it's a bit more broad and you can see even in specific instances like state constitutions for example where they're like, well, except for concealed carry, different things like that,
Starting point is 01:36:47 where there's even more careful verbiage when those clauses were added years ago than there is now. People are now opening up to things like nationwide reciprocity and stuff like that, which is not a conversation that would have happened in the 90s. All right, we got RJ McDougal says, Did I win? Yes, sir.
Starting point is 01:37:03 You were the first. Super Cheddar. You beat I'm Not Your Buddy Guy, who said they only take away your guns because what they're about to do next would make you want to use them. That's what worries me. Alright. Anthony Brownlee says, OMG it's the AK God. I hope you win in Texas
Starting point is 01:37:20 and bring down some of those damn gun restrictions. Too late for life. What inspires you to call the AK guy, your Twitter channel, the AK? The AK-50 that he has yet to deliver. The chat is going nuts, by the way. I've seen so many people complaining about the fact that there's not been a legitimate real AK. Blame bad suppliers. Blame bad American manufacturing is what it is. No, we've got a big update coming on that soon.
Starting point is 01:37:42 We actually just got our new receiver in yesterday, and it looks totally functional. You say we? Who is we? Me and my team. So I've got a team of miscreants that are helping me out with a lot of stuff in the shop, whether it's design stuff or manufacturing. For your company? What company? The AK Guy, Inc. So that's the name
Starting point is 01:38:00 of the company now. But it used to be my YouTube handle back in the day when I was the weird AK guy of the group, because i always liked the ak platform i always had a fascination with it you guys manufacture weapons in general just weaponry uh yes um more specifically the ak platform but we do a lot of like you know uh especially stuff for the youtube channel to show off uh like world war ii machine guns uh different just firearms throughout history because i'm fascinated at the evolution of arms you, all the way back from the 1800s flintlocks, all the way to the first machine gun, the first submachine gun.
Starting point is 01:38:32 The evolution of firearms has always been intriguing to me. Have you seen these guns that are being built with graphene, the new ones? They just use them in the body. I just saw a.22 that was being created. I should have logged it and told you about it, but they're lightweight. You see that guy over there? The big one, not the little one.
Starting point is 01:38:48 Yeah. That's an actual Union Civil War rifled musket. Do you know where it was made? No, it's probably on there. It might be Springfield. Okay. I was just curious because Harper's Ferry is pretty close. Oh, right.
Starting point is 01:38:59 But I don't think they made them here, did they? I think they did. Oh, well, then maybe. I got that at an antique store. So these are particularly common. There were well, then maybe. I got that at an antique store. So these are particularly common. There were 10,000 of them that were made and never used. They were just left in an armory.
Starting point is 01:39:17 More importantly, the Union stopped, started using breech-loading rifles. One of the reasons the South lost Gettysburg was that Confederates were marching into Gettysburg with muzzle loaded rifled muskets and the Union had paper cartridge breach loading rifles. Burnside carbines, I think. Is that what they're called? I think so. Break action, breach load, bang! You pull the trigger guard down, it pops open, the chamber
Starting point is 01:39:40 pops open, you throw it in. I think I have a Burnside carbine. Yeah. Those things are rad. I was at an antique store, they uh one of the early i think was an early winchester where you load in the in the stock yeah yeah crazy like how does it and then uh i do love the side load you know so i've got uh i've got a winchester over there and it's it's it's awful i'm sorry it just it's super cool it looks cool but trying to load a 30 30 and the and the and the mag tube just jams every single time and then i've and when i when i deal with us i'm like i must be doing something wrong so i asked everybody like no it sucks dude okay yeah mine's a burnside i just googled the
Starting point is 01:40:14 burnside carbine is uh was the it was invented by ambrose burnside the dude where sideburns come from i mean get a picture of this guy. It was the most productive thing Burnside ever did for the North because he was a terrible general. He was a general and an inventor. Like, we need more military men that are inventors. That's what made this country so great in the beginning. Just like Sir Hira Maxim, the guy who invented the Maxim gun. Like, he's a Maxim machine gun.
Starting point is 01:40:39 That changed warfare. That changed the world forever. That moved maps. Holy crap. He was an inventor. He invented a bunch of stuff. He the early uh concepts for the helicopter he actually invented the first real inhaler and that was people basically called him a bit of a dork for it and he's like look i invented something for the betterment of mankind watch me create a death
Starting point is 01:40:59 machine and that's what i'll uh what people will know me for and And 100 years later, it's a little crazy. That's exactly what happened. The Burnside carbine was $38.50 in 1861. So what is that by U.S. current dollars? I'm not sure, but I looked it up when I got it from my dad. And at the time, it was a couple thousand dollars for mine.
Starting point is 01:41:20 And mine's not in perfect condition. Apparently, today's prices are 34 times as high so 34 times higher that might be than 1861 i don't know if that's true or not it would be 1399 is that what you said yeah dude ambrose burnside the the firing range a 200 yard shot for a for something like that is legit. For bare iron sights? Yeah.
Starting point is 01:41:47 That's pretty decent. Yeah. They had some real decent long-range stuff back in the day, like Kentucky rifles and stuff like that, the real craftsman-made guns. Not necessarily the mass production stuff, but the craftsman stuff. You could get some surprising distance out of that. What did they have that made them so good? Attention to detail, especially when you're talking about early cutting of rifling and things like
Starting point is 01:42:08 concentricity mattered a lot like and that's that early machining this is before electricity so like if you ever go down to like harper's ferry and see how they made some of this stuff it's really cool how they basically have it attached to a water mill and that they have a belt system going through the ceiling and everything that's turning their lathes where they were cutting barrels and stuff it's really neat the the kind of archaic way i went on that tour is really cool oh did you it's really yeah all right raybert g stanbert jr says tim i don't understand how you maintained your composure this morning when brianna invited you to promote voting as if you don't do it almost every day that's literally the first thing i said to tim when he came in or when i came in was like, dude, how did you not kill yourself?
Starting point is 01:42:47 But my view is, I thought it was a good conversation. I operate under the assumption, typically, that the people who are coming here from the left and liberals don't know a lot of news stuff. And that is not to, I'm not trying to insult them. They get insulted when I say that, but I'm like, I'm not trying to insult them they get insulted when i say that but i'm like i'm not trying to insult you you told me you didn't read the news story so i know there is a one-to-one chance okay it's unfair but like a 95 chance we bring in someone who's liberal and ask them about victor shokin burisma cutter turkey pipeline etc they're gonna say i don't know what that is and i'm like okay then how can you have an opinion on the impeachment of trump if you don't know what happened in ukraine with victor
Starting point is 01:43:28 and all this stuff and then their response is well like you know i read enough about it my attitude is like by all means come on the show and say exactly that it's not for me i don't need to hear it everyone watching hears it and they take a clip of you saying i did not read that story i don't know and that's all i need to hear and then when next time you make an argument we just attach that clip to it and we say these are people who take strong political positions without researching those stories i was asked by brian about casey anthony said i have no idea i did not i don't know anything about that story and i have no opinion more than just not researching what will happen is imagine if you're on the surface and there's a garden and you're like where are the roots for
Starting point is 01:44:07 all these plants i must get to the bottom of this and dig down and you find the roots and you're like i found it i know the answer is now i'm satisfied trump impeachment i get it but then if you really dig deeper which most people won't because they feel like they already found the roots you go deeper it opens up into a cave network where the roots continue to go deeper and trump's down there most people don't even know that cave network exists because they're already satisfied with this this shitty garden thing like metaphor that i created like they've already feel like they got the answer every the mass media already fed them a little bit so they don't look deeper i'm not saying that every single do every single liberal i've talked to about the trump impeachment
Starting point is 01:44:43 has outright said they did not know joe biden engaged in a quid pro quo and then another component of it and and i'm not trying to drag brianna i thought the conversation was really good it's three and a half hours went very long uh when i'm when when we talk about uh hunter biden hunter biden according devin archer testifies that hunter was called that hunter calls dc and says the prosecutor is a problem and we need help biden then flies out a few days later and engages in an illegal quid pro quo it's a fact and then brags about it and then brags about it the cfr and there's no legitimate response other than if you guys have seen that interview where the journalist is asked about hunter biden saying my dad takes my salary and he goes i don't know and he's like you're saying there's no evidence
Starting point is 01:45:28 of corruption and we have proof hunter said my dad is taking my money and he goes i don't know it's like he wasn't involved in his business so this is what happens he asked about the weather they'll either say i did not read the story and then when you bring it up they'll go i don't know that's like well okay that okay. I get it. I do not expect a Democrat to come in here and go, holy crap, he did that? Now that I didn't know. I expect them to dismiss it. And I expect that clip to be made and shared online to prove my point.
Starting point is 01:45:57 And that's all I can do. There's no reason for me to get mad. I just say, okay, thank you for explaining. You don't care that Joe Biden did this. You don't think it's a problem. You're allowed to think those things. I am not mad at you for thinking Joe Biden should be allowed to engage in a quid pro quo. In fact, when I asked Brianna, does Donald Trump have the authority to threaten to withhold congressionally approved loan guarantees to a foreign president in exchange
Starting point is 01:46:18 for a political favor? And Brennan would not answer. Why? Anyone who knows what actually happened knows that's what Joe Biden did. And so the political answer and the smart way to respond is to not answer that question. Because you get trapped. Because anyone would say, of course Trump can't do that. I gotcha, Joe Biden did it. Unfortunately, Trump did the same thing. And they said, Trump's not allowed to do that.
Starting point is 01:46:40 And I'm like, okay, but he was, that's what Joe Biden did. No, no, no, Joe Biden was allowed to do it. Okay, dude, whatever. I'm not mad about about it i know these people don't actually know or care i just need to prove it to other people i need to be able to give that clip to my liberal aunt whoever i don't actually don't have one but my figuratively and be like there's the clip to watch and they go wait what and i'm like if you choose to be on the side of i don't care what's true i care if my tribe wins tell me now but to anyone who's not interested i can show you this clip and you'll go oh wow i didn't realize joe biden did that okay well there you go he did have a nice
Starting point is 01:47:17 day anyway let's read more a lot of people saying let's go brandon we got the sa federale saying let's go brandon a lot of people are saying where's my ak-50 what is the 50 is that like a 50 bm 50 yeah so that's a project we've been working on for a while the it's basically just a 50 bmg ak can you do uh uh a nine millimeter macro of carbine yeah yeah that's pretty easy because they uh it's just it's just what is it like a eight is it 18 9 by 18 i think or is that yeah 9 but 9 by 18 yeah it's like the the russian like it's almost like a mixture between 9 millimeter luger and 380 yeah yeah so uh also i love the makarov handgun too like it's just which one though like the makarov like the russian oh right i have a i have a i think it's called like a p64 or something i think that was polish polish that's right and it sucks everyone hates it nobody wants to use it it's ergonomic so it's only right-handed and it bites
Starting point is 01:48:10 and so i i had i had gloves on in the winter yeah at the range and it still bites your hand and i was really excited to have this polish soviet weapon and it's just not fun and i was like does anybody else want to try like we're good we're good because we have like a beretta and we've you know nobody the p64 they inexplicably if i'm thinking about the right thing i'm thinking about it correctly i think they inexplicably uh shrunk it a bit so it's not as big as a regular yeah macrov which a macrov is not exactly big yeah it's a eight plus one single handgun so what happened was uh something happened with ammo prices a few years ago, I think everybody remembers,
Starting point is 01:48:46 and, you know, hanging out with Luke, and Luke's like, you should probably pick up some 9mm while you can. And so I'm like, sitting on my couch, my eyes are half closed, and I went to, I think it was ammo.com, and I'm just scrolling through, and I'm like, 9mm, buy,
Starting point is 01:48:58 and I went, da-da-da-da-da, just like, jamming the plus button. And then I hit order. And then when it shows up, Luke walks into the box, and he's like, oh, cool, the ammo's here. And then he opens it and he's like,
Starting point is 01:49:07 this is Russian. And I was like, and he opens the box and he goes, bro, these aren't 9mm. And I was like, what? It says 9mm? And it's got all
Starting point is 01:49:16 Russian writing on it? Yeah. So we ended up with a very large quantity of Makarov 9mm. And then I was like, great success. Great success.
Starting point is 01:49:24 But the company, they're awesome. I think it was M1.com, they emailed me being like, we realized you ordered a large quantity of Makarov rounds and may have made a mistake. If that was, we will gladly ship out 9mm Luger, and I was like, no, no, no, I'm keeping this, and I'm going to go find a Makarov weapon.
Starting point is 01:49:41 And then a local gun shop had the P-64, And I was really excited to be like, oh, cool, Soviet. And it just hurts and nobody wants to use it. You could definitely re-barrel like a PP-19, essentially, a Vichaz. Which is like the AK 9mm carbine that they've got.
Starting point is 01:49:57 You could easily just, well, not easily it would take a good bit of work, but you could make up a custom 9mm Makarov barrel for that. They run them in 9x18 in Russia. But I was talking to a gun shop if they were able to do that, and everybody says yes, but we just never did, because we don't really care that
Starting point is 01:50:14 much, but it would be cool to have like a 9mm rifle of some sort. I think the Bison one, the one with the helical magazine on the bottom, that one is 9x18, or at least they had one in 9x18 what's what's that ridiculous 22 that's got the the magazine goes magazine goes on top yeah i got one of those calico yes yeah i got one of those too they're so weird it's like the space balls guns right
Starting point is 01:50:35 stick out of the top of it no no it's flat but it's got like how many as a whole is a lot 100 yeah because it's like a spiral staircase of ammunition yeah all the way through the gun yeah like it's it's like the p90 does the was the horizontal magazine yeah it's a similar thing where it's on top but they're just sideways to the shooter and then they've got like a a rotary table that you know flips it to the right orientation before it loads in the chamber there's some cool old stuff you can buy man i. I love... Luke wanted me to buy a 9mm crank Gatling cannon. Oh, yeah. I was like, Luke, come on.
Starting point is 01:51:09 And he was like, come on, you gotta get it. And it's like... I've got a real one of those in.45 long. How is it? I haven't shot it yet, but we want to do a Last Samurai video with it. Nice. Oh, they use it?
Starting point is 01:51:21 They actually introduce machine gunning? Is that the plot of the movie? That's like the dawn of the guns? Essentially, yeah. If you haven't seen the movie, it's a fantastic film. Tom Cruise. For everybody that thinks that machine guns are a recent invention, watch that one. Oh, yeah.
Starting point is 01:51:36 I mean, even the 1300s, they had the multi-barrel. So it was like a dozen or two dozen barrels, and they're all muzzle-loaded. But then they would pull something and go, bop yep that's crazy i was looking at the company's called taurus usa that makes this graphene gun it's called the gx4 graphene and apparently it's lightweight it's taurus oh no i recommend yeah i was thinking like this must be emerging technology and then i heard taurus like oh is going to be 300 bucks and disposable. Are they known for producing shoddy work? I don't want to rap on anybody.
Starting point is 01:52:09 They're not great. I'm fascinated with graphene being implemented in modern weaponry because it's so lightweight and durable. Yeah. All right. You could probably make a cool frame for like a Glock out of it. Let's read some more. Russian Clueder says 2A is winning. Tim Pool, you got to stop saying this and resting on your laurels until I, as a regular citizen, can dual wield a full auto saw and a high point with a switch.
Starting point is 01:52:29 Then 2A hasn't won anything. Listen, my friends. Graphene saw, baby. That was an excellent tweet. 2A is winning. It doesn't mean it's won, right? So winning is repealing the NFA, among other things. But that's a huge win.
Starting point is 01:52:43 Let's say that there is a big field. Let's say you're playing football, and you are pressed all the way back up against the end zone, and then you actually start advancing forward. You are winning, but you haven't won. Or how about this? Let's say you're playing baseball. The other team has like three runs,
Starting point is 01:53:03 and then you score two in one run. You have started winning. You have not won yet. Let's say they have seven. You know, it's like the sixth inning and they have seven runs and you have eight. You are winning. They still can can pull ahead. That's why I say, well, to a stuff you can't stop.
Starting point is 01:53:21 We have made tremendous gains, massive gains, hit a few grand slams. But there is still an effort by Democrats to ban standard issue, standard capacity weapons, claiming that 10 is too many when 10 is minimal. It's laughable. Everybody knows you're all gun people. You get it. I'm just saying you've got to recognize when you're winning. You need the morale boost you need the charge you know we're we're getting this but you have to make sure people don't rest on their laurels which is exactly what i said yesterday we may be winning with constitutional carry but we need to get rid of the atf and the nfa yep in fact i'll be honest the idea of an alcohol tobacco tobacco, and firearms and explosive division, I have no problem
Starting point is 01:54:08 with as a surface level idea that there is someone in charge of, you know, overseeing this for some reason. What we don't need is a law enforcement agency that questions whether or not people have a right to keep their firearms. So, no. How about just the TFE?
Starting point is 01:54:24 Tobacco, firearms, and explosives. No, no, no. The ATE. Alcoholfe tobacco firearms and explode no no no no the ate alco tobacco and explosives firearms nuts constitutional i'm still confusing me why alcohol and firearms are anywhere i mean i guess drunk they're the fun police dude yeah they are the fun police sons of bitches no no no no i don't drink. Drinking's bad. But firearms are constitutionally protected, so I'll say this. Until the Constitution is amended, American citizens have a right to keep and bear nuclear and biological weapons, antimatter weapons, rail guns, you name it! And anything else is an infringement.
Starting point is 01:55:00 Is this where we're coming back to nuclear weapons now? So you don't get to arbitrarily decide that arms in the Constitution only applies to what they had back then. It's in the greater context of what was allowed. Private corporations build nukes. Like, where do people think nukes come from? So, yes, it's not controversial for me to say private individuals have the right to keep and bear nuclear weapons. In fact, they quite literally do right now. There actually is on the ATF e-form site where you go as an FFL to register, like, hey, I'm building a machine gun, I'm building a suppressor, I'm doing whatever.
Starting point is 01:55:34 There is a slot on that website to complete the form as I am building a nuclear weapon. Well, yeah, these big weapons manufacturers have to do it. Yeah, and my big thing, my big take on that was always like, it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter if it's legal. The thing that is stopping people from making nuclear weapons is not because there is a law. Oh, right. It's good luck. If there is somebody like, let's say, Elon Musk, who had the billions of dollars and let's say, I don't know, thousands of rocket engineers to make icbms and you know
Starting point is 01:56:05 whatever he wants to do elon strangely starts buying a bunch of plutonium and uranium and right oh people are gonna start sweating a real hard because it's like the only thing stopping him is not the law it's just he hasn't decided to do it yet it's not worth the legal headache what if elon was just like i'm gonna nuke mars nuke the poles yeah he had mentioned that that might be a way to start to super what are the polish dear to you oh oh got it ike the poles. Yeah. He had mentioned that that might be a way to start to superheat the atmosphere. What did the Polish do to you? Oh, oh, got it. I love the poles, but nuke the poles of Mars.
Starting point is 01:56:31 It might superheat the, and kick the magnetic field. Oh, that's, yeah. He's not, I'm kidding. That checks out. Okay, let's read some more comments here. What do we got? Braymont says congressman herrera you'll win as a letter carrier i've had to deal with mountain lions etc and city carriers deal with being robbed and shot please keep in your mind when you go to dc that postal workers want to be armed when you go to dc i like that kind of confidence there i just hate the idea of having to go to dc for
Starting point is 01:57:03 anything yeah what you just spend 28 days a month in D.C.? There's probably like 17 or 20 Super Chats telling me that you have to say the word trunnion. I know this inside joke. But after the
Starting point is 01:57:19 20th Super Chat, I'm like, okay, I'll just ask. Yeah, it's the T word is the front and rear T word on an Yeah. It's the, the, the, the T word is the, the rear T word on, on an AK. And it's, it's a running joke with me and, uh,
Starting point is 01:57:29 and angry cops. He, he likes the way that I say trunnion. You guys go, there you go. Cylindrical protrusion. You angry as a mounting or pivoting point. That's the definition of trouble.
Starting point is 01:57:41 Let's grab another super chat. Oh, where are we at? Where are we at? It's getting late. Oh, people are mad at Ian. No, I doubt it. The Mick Clown Code says, Ian, I'm a Christian, and yes,
Starting point is 01:57:57 love does cover a multitude of sins, but not all of them. For the rest, forgiveness follows repentance. There is no repentance from the left, just warfare. Oh, this is so blackmailed i think it's it's the general idea is republicans are not indicting democrats at all democrats are indicting tons of republicans and lawyers and media personalities and the republicans are like guys please chill out before this gets bad
Starting point is 01:58:22 and they're like not and then you're like we should pardon the democrats i see humans targeting humans right now and it's concerning i'm looking for a way out so how about this would you agree that the people engaging in the hostilities should stop doing it you mean like the political yeah it's like yeah absolutely i do not like using the force of law to go after political opponents i don't think that fear is the way forward. I don't think that trying to make Donald Trump disappear is going to make the Trump movement disappear. You've got to work together. That's the whole point of being an American. Well, there you go.
Starting point is 01:58:55 I think the entire thing was that it's unilateral. The weaponization of the federal government tends to be unilateral. I'm not saying the Republicans never do it. I'm just saying that the ideals that a lot of Republicans and libertarian-leaning people hold prevents them in their own moral compass from using the weapons of government against their opponents, which is where they lose.
Starting point is 01:59:15 So the AK-50, is that meant to be full auto? Oh, no! Now it is! So we have, so it's a shoulder- it's just like a bearing i was serious it's like a shoulder fired semi-auto 50 bmg if you've ever if you want the ak-50 to be full auto it lets me know you've never fired a semi-auto a shoulder fired 50 however what was shoulder as in like you're holding it up yeah yeah or or like on a bipod i i have i have a barrett m82 yeah uh so you know it's82. It's a heavy sucker.
Starting point is 01:59:45 I can't remember who we were with, but who was it? Luke. Yeah, Luke actually lifted it up and held it. He did not fire it, though, and he was holding it, but it's like 70 pounds. I think it's 28 pounds or the M82, I think, might be 30, 31.
Starting point is 02:00:02 I was way off it. I've shoulder fired a magazine from it, from the Barrett. It's, it's possible to do. It's just, you're going to be shaky arms the whole time. The, uh, what's the other one? The RN 52. Is that what it's called? Uh, the, uh, the, the, the cap screw.
Starting point is 02:00:18 Yeah. Yeah. The RN 50. RN 50. Yeah. That was the one that blew up on Scott. Oh, I saw that video. Kentucky Ballistics.
Starting point is 02:00:25 Yeah. See was the one that blew up on Scott. Oh, I saw that video. Kentucky Ballistics, yeah. See, uh... How's he doing? He's doing great, man. He was just... I mentioned, like, 400 pounds the other day. The man's an animal. So, uh... Even after getting his entire chest...
Starting point is 02:00:36 I'm glad that he's that much. If he didn't weigh that much, he definitely would have died. We were out at a range, and they had the RN50, and I didn't want to fire this one. It's a scary gun. Because the first person who fired it, the shockwave turned my phone off. No. So, but it put it to sleep. I was, whatever, I must have pushed the button, I don't know.
Starting point is 02:00:55 I was filming it, and I'm holding my phone up from the sides, very close, and then my phone is off. And I was like, what? Being in the vents of the muzzle brake on that is objectively worse than being behind it. I was like, I don't want to do that one. It's a TBI machine. You shoot that 20 times in a row, you're going to have a nosebleed. I got a surefire muzzle brake on my 556
Starting point is 02:01:18 with a 14.5 barrel and that stuff sucks to stand next to, man. It's miserable. What's TBI? Traumatic brain injury. Oh, wow. So this was another guy who owned it. And then I bought, because Luke insisted.
Starting point is 02:01:32 Luke sends me guns nonstop. He's like, buy this, buy this, buy this. Good man. Yeah. I bought a Barrett M82. And it's not that bad. You're further away, too, from the muzzle on the M82. But I had no issue whatsoever.
Starting point is 02:01:48 I was like, oh, 12 gauge, my Remington, causes me more shoulder pain than the Barrett does. Because it's lighter. So the weight of the weapon plays significantly into recoil, especially with a nice muzzle break. Isn't there a recoil spring, like a buffer tube and a recoil spring in the Barrett? So it's a short recoil system. So basically what that means is that every gun, every rifle will have lockup.
Starting point is 02:02:11 That stops the gun from just exploding, right? So the breech is locked when the gun fires. Short recoil systems like the Barrett M82 is when the barrel reciprocates a little bit, like an inch or two, to unlock the bolt. And so that, and it unlocks a little bit, so it doesn't need gas or anything like that, like a normal AK or AR. So just the action of the barrel moving back unlocks it,
Starting point is 02:02:35 and then it has a big buffer system. Steven Crowder famously got me a, I think a Sig M400 it's called. It's been a while. And it was very difficult to get, because he had to send it to New Jersey. So they while and uh it was very difficult to get because he had to send it to new jersey so they're like it was nuts the modifications had to be done before it could be sent out and so it took like a year before i actually got it and so we went to the we'd go to the range and i would use like uh harper's ferry armory out here has their own what they describe as mil spec 556 ar15 and then when i got when i finally got the the sig from crowder it's night andspec 556 AR-15. And then when I finally got the SIG from Crowder,
Starting point is 02:03:05 it's night and day how amazing it was. Yeah. It was, wow. I was just, it was... What was different? It was easy. The way I would describe it is, it felt more like firing a.22
Starting point is 02:03:19 than firing a.556. Like, it was good. It was, I'm not a gun expert enough to explain anything beyond. I mean, I think it's got a muzzle brake. I don't know what else about it. Easier to aim, easier to handle, less recoil. Obviously, I think the muzzle brake is causing that. A muzzle brake will help a lot,
Starting point is 02:03:36 but really what a lot of them do is it's going to be a lot of cheaper 5.56, or a cheaper than any gas-operated rifle. What they'll do is that they'll they'll over gas it uh slightly or maybe a lot because they won't they don't have the technical precision to make it super reliable so they're like okay well if we can't make it really reliable on good gas we'll make it super reliable on a lot of gas so no matter what happens this thing that bolt carrier is running back the way though It just shoves it really hard.
Starting point is 02:04:06 Yeah, and so if you have a properly gassed, well-made gun, the recoil impulse is a lot less because it's not necessarily just the Newtonian physics of the recoil of the gun, of the shot going off, but a lot of that's the bolt carrier impact onto the rear of the gun that's pushing the recoil impulse super sharp. that's pushing you know the recoil impulse super sharp what's what gas is used for the so um in any gas operated in most like automatic firearms whatever uh anything gas op they'll bleed off some gas from the bullet being fired uh down the barrel
Starting point is 02:04:40 and it feed it back in so uh ar-15s bleed it off through a little gas tube. ARs use a long-stroke gas piston, and it just bleeds off from the barrel and hits the bolt carrier, which then cycles the firearm. That's what unlocks it. Let's just grab a couple more. Kevin Malone says, hey, Phil, I went to the Baby Metal concert in Houston, and the opening act, your boy Jason is a heck of an instrumentalist. He is the best guitar player on the planet Earth. That guy's wild, dude. All all right we'll grab one more my third nut says brandon you should propose a bill so that
Starting point is 02:05:11 government officials and security are only allowed to use firearms that are readily available for citizens to use i'm down for that well i think a lot of these uh i think a lot of these people would have different opinions if they didn't live in, you know, their nice mansions with private security, half of which funded by taxpayers. I think they have a little bit of a different opinion. Agreed. All right, everybody. Smash the like button.
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Starting point is 02:07:39 It's been a pleasure talking to you. Anytime, dude. Absolutely. It's about time we made it happen. Yeah. Finally, Brandon is here. We appreciate it. Make sure you vote for him if it happen. Yeah. Finally, Brandon is here. We appreciate it. Make sure you vote for him if you're from Texas.
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Starting point is 02:08:07 that, always a pleasure, Brandon. Really good to see you. And it's TheAKGuy. We see TheAKGuy on Twitter when people follow you there. Yes, sir. Looking forward to talking to you again, man. I feel like we could go two hours just talking about guns. Absolutely. That's really awesome. Oh, I mean, we should. That's all I'm used to. Yeah, maybe we should have you back for a Culture War episode to talk about guns.
Starting point is 02:08:23 We should all go down and shoot guns with them. That's a better idea. I like that. On a weekend. It's a weekend. We go on a weekend when you're not filming. Where in Texas? San Antonio.
Starting point is 02:08:32 San Antonio. That'd be sick. We'll open the whole shop up to you. It's basically an arms museum. We should. Maybe we do Tim Cass Gun Week and we go down. That would freaking rule. Let's plan it.
Starting point is 02:08:44 Yeah, we could totally do it Rock and roll Holidays are coming up So it might be like February It's warm in Texas in February No no no no February is beautiful in Texas We're doing the
Starting point is 02:08:53 Michael Malice Roseanne Challenge in January Oh yeah We'll be in Austin We can figure something out Oh really Oh nice It's gonna get hot
Starting point is 02:09:00 It's only like an hour south of Austin It's like 45 minutes away What we want to do Is have a show At the Comedy Mothership with Roseanne. IRL Live with Roseanne and Michael Malice because they had a bet on this show. I think, what was the bet? That there would be military tribunals this year or something? That was Roseanne's, yeah, Roseanne's postulation.
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Starting point is 02:09:37 So we should be down there. Because if it's not there, it'll be like Vulcan or something. We'll figure it out. That's right down the road. It's like an hour away from us. Perfect. Just rules. Sweet.
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