Timcast IRL - Timcast IRL #866 US SHUTDOWN IMMINENT, Spending BLOCKED, McCarthy FAILS w/Ami Horowitz & Matt Gaetz

Episode Date: September 22, 2023

Tim, Ian, & Carter join Ami Horowitz & Matt Gaetz to discuss the US govt. heading towards a shut down, Biden's lawyers involved in trying to impeach Ken Paxton, Trump hitting record support among Black & Latino voters in a new poll, and a new intelligence report suggesting Russia has effectively won the Ukraine war & the White House is lying about it. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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And this has a lot to do with whether or not all of the spending is done in one single omnibus or uh i'm just gonna i'm gonna defer to you what is it a single single spending bills is that what yeah single single subject spending bills there we go so this is this is really big news right now and uh and i see a lot of people already in the chat are cheering for a shutdown but we'll get into the finer details there we've got a bunch of other news joe biden apparently is going to be sending 800 troops to the border we've got an emergency declaration on the. Joe Biden apparently is going to be sending 800 troops to the border. We've got an emergency declaration on the border already because 4,000 illegal immigrants entered in a single day. And Project Veritas is gone.

So we did talk about this a little bit yesterday, but now it is confirmed. I suppose there's numerous reports now talking about Project Veritas being completely done with. They're laying off the last of their journalists. So we've got a lot to talk about, lots of breakdown, plus some information about what's going on in Ukraine. Poland is going to be pulling weapons.

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where we will take questions and callers from you in the audience. So support our work directly. Already joining us tonight, you know who we got. We got Matt Gaetz. We got Ami Horowitz. But anybody who wants to introduce themselves first. Go ahead, Ami. I'm Ami Horowitz.

What else do you want to know? I'm a filmmaker. First time on the show. Super pumped. Very excited. Thanks for having me. Absolutely. Glad to have you.

We got Matt Gaetz. He's back. Congressman from the Florida panhandle. Ian Crossman is here. Florida man himself. Did you vote to get rid of the dress code? I'm okay with keeping it classy in Congress, you know? So that was in the Senate.

In the House, I guess we're still having to not wear our gym clothes around. All right. I don't want to joke around too much, Matt. Thanks for coming, dudes. I love you both. Let's roll. Carter Banks, what's happening? What's up, guys?

Thrilled to be here. Filling in for Serge for one more night. But yeah, let's do this. Let's jump into the first story from the New York Times. Right-wing rebels block defense bill again, rebuking McCarthy on spending. It was the second time in a week that hard right republicans i love that i don't i don't know what that means had defied speaker kevin mccarthy on a spending measure signaling that the gop was still far from agreement on a

bill to fund the government all right let's just start from the beginning we got matt gates here matt what's happening so the government runs out of money at the end of september and we've known that for a year and that is the money that was agreed to with Mitch McConnell and Nancy Pelosi as part of the massive omnibus that most conservatives and I think most regular folks opposed and we made a commitment in January as part of the speaker contest that we would not govern by having one up-or- down vote on every disparate agency of government through continuing resolutions or omnibus bills. You never get the type of specific review of anything when you do that. So McCarthy agreed to that. Here we are at the end of the month,

and we've only passed one of the 12 single subject spending bills. And that's got a lot of people concerned. McCarthy initially said, well, what we really need to do is pass a continuing resolution again, which this country has been governed by continuing resolution or omnibus since the mid-'90s. I know omnibus is when you pack a bunch of things into one bill and then get someone, but what's a continuing resolution? A continuing resolution is however things are being funded right now, just fund them

the same way next year with increases for inflation cost of living. So just keep doing everything the way it's always been done is the definition of a continuing resolution. I do not believe that is a serious and responsible way to govern. And I believe the reason we have a $32 trillion debt is because we have governed this way since the mid-90s. So McCarthy wanted to do that and say, well, that'll just buy us time. And we'll just do a continuing resolution for a little bit. But don't worry, after that, we'll really get our single subject spending bills in order. I've heard the same bullshit for seven years I've been here and it's always the same rhythm and so I got a group of conservatives together and we said we will never vote up or down for every agency of government together ever again we have to impose discipline on this process

where there is programmatic analysis and review and a determination as to what's working and what's not working and the ability to actually isolate some of the most weaponized programs and excise them from the government budget strategy this is not just a right-wing idea to your point like when we were in the speaker contest fighting for this no less than aoc went on rachel maddow and said what the rep what the freedom caucus what the conservatives are fighting for here would actually be good for everyone. On the Young Turks, people who loathe me and said they loathed me said, well, if you really

think about it, these single subject bills could help us really evaluate our priorities as a nation. Even the New York Times ran an opinion piece. Matt Gaetz is right about mccarthy breaking those commitments so in washington people don't think you have to live up to your promises they think you could just kind of your way through oh you make a promise it's a few months later you ignore it you engage in some other power trading enterprise we got together and said no you have to keep your word we're not voting for these and then today we had a little bit of a breakthrough

i just left a closed door meeting with some of the most moderate members from new york some of the most conservative members from around the country and they acknowledged that the votes do not exist to pass a continuing resolution and they sat down and said what are the first four single subject spending bills you'd like us to consider wow Wow. And we said, well, you know, if we're going into a shutdown, let's fund the DOD. And again, our appropriations bill has all the gating to keep money away from the gender reassignment surgeries and the DOD becoming an abortion travel agency and all the stuff that has been really problematic about the DOD. Second, the border, our Department of Homeland Security funding bill that pays the TSA

agents that pays Customs and Border Patrol that pays ice third uh we want deep cuts to the Department of State and foreign Ops we think like an easy place to show good faith on deep cuts is foreign aid because if we're out of money maybe we should give we should borrow less of it to give it to other countries. And then the final one is the agriculture appropriations bill that we agreed to bring up in debate because there's so much waste in the food stamps program. There's so much opportunity for savings with basic work requirements. And we think we can have deep cuts there. So if you get all that together, together put it up get it moving in single subject review i think you can build real momentum so the house uh has really abandoned the mccarthy cr strategy today and has embraced the matt gates strategy of single subject spending bills and that's not to my credit that's to the credit of some of the moderates who i think wised up and

said well if we're going to go into a, let's at least lay out what our priorities are. And by the way, it is divided government. So on those single subject bills, we're going to have to negotiate with Democrats. And I think that is the situation the voters have put us in. But at least we can cast a vision by passing our bills and then having, I think, the best posture to negotiate with the Senate and the White House. So I feel more productive today than I did yesterday when my sole goal was to kill governing by continuing resolution. I think we've got that pretty well buried six feet under for now. There's a threat from moderate Republicans to the Gates strategy, and it sort of goes

like this. Well, here we are at the end of the road. Gates to spit out all these single subject bills and we just don't think there's time now whose fault is that that's the speaker of the house's fault that's the appropriations chair's fault by the way when we were negotiating this bill last night trying to get together the appropriations chair left to go to a fundraiser for with lobbyists who is the appropriations chair? Her name is Kay Granger. And she left the meeting where we were going over funding the government because she did want to miss scooping up checks from lobbyists.

Is this the first time there's not been an omnibus or a CR in what decades? Yeah. I mean, this is the first time since I think 1997. you can check me on that but but but but to get that here's what we have to avoid so one of the one of the bizarre rules of the house is if you ever have 218 signatures on any piece of legislation it's do not pass go do not collect 200 that legislation goes directly to the floor so all 213 Democrats are willing to sign what's called a clean continuing resolution, which is no changes to the government, keep funding the woke weaponized government. Why wouldn't they? This was the deal that McConnell and Pelosi initially made. They'd continue that forever under those terms. So they've got a clean CR. And what the threat is, is that five liberal or moderate republicans could

just say we don't want to do the single subject bills we don't want to go through the pain of doing the cuts to foreign aid or to food stamps or anything like that so we're just going to go sign what's called a discharge petition and then just move that thing like shit through they they they absolutely could and you know to those republicans who would want to take that route i think that's wonderful. And Liz Cheney and Adam Kinzinger will be there waiting at the bar afterwards when you retire and never get reelected. Every Republican who would. Discover the magic of BetMGM Casino, where the excitement is always on deck. Pull up a seat and check out a wide variety of table games with a live dealer. From roulette to blackjack, watch as a dealer hosts your table game and live chat with

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We'll be signing their own political death warrant and handing it to their executioner because it'll be the Democrats hunting them and taking them out of office and every one of them will lose their re-election. Some would lose it in a primary, some would lose it in a general. But the good news is, actually, some of the folks that might otherwise do that i think have really bought into my strategy to move single subject individual spending bills but it's not even about a strategy it's about what is right for this country that we've long complained all as far as as long as i've been uh uh inactive in or as long as i've been an adult dealing with politics the idea that what do they bring in like a wagon with all the 5 000 pages they wheeled it into congress or whatever like okay you're

voting on this you can't read it sign it that's insane and what if you want to vote for the veterans programs and against the department of education like what if you want to vote for the military but against foreign aid they never give you that opportunity so they just come to you put it all in front of you and say, they threaten you with shutdown politics and then say, what are you, you're not a member of the team, you want to hurt the economy, we want to hurt the country. And in the end, it's all just a march to perdition. Cause we are 32 trillion in debt running up against

$2 trillion annual deficits at a time when the global economy is de-dollarizing. Yeah, this is, they call it a defense bill that is being, that you were pushing back against, that it's a defense spending bill. What else does that entail? How long does it take to debate a single issue, if you're taking these single issue bills?

Well, the defense bill has 186 amendments. It's not a defense bill. They call it a defense bill to make you look bad for going against it, but there's other stuff in there. No, well, this particular bill is a single-subject defense appropriations bill, but there's amendments to take out the Ukraine money. There's amendments where people want different things to happen with military policy or with a mission that relates to their district or their constituents.

And by the way, that's what governing looks like. Mowing through those amendments, giving them their 10 minutes of debate each debating all night if we have to all morning and then let the votes fall where they may i'm okay with that what i'm not okay with is a few people in a back room come up with that 5 000 page bill and you've got you know a day or two to figure out whether or not you're pro-government or anti-government how lazy and nihilistic that is so these people don't want to do work that's what i'm wondering is it just does it come down to laziness you mentioned one woman goes off to a dinner with lobbyists or whatever yeah that's all she could she couldn't

be bothered to work with us on what should be the non-defense discretionary number that we have and how should we consider what amendments should be voted on or not voted on she'll have to go to to a lobbyist fundraiser. Well, so let me ask you, what does this mean? What does a government shutdown mean for the average person? I can tell you what it means in my district. In the Florida panhandle, it means tens of thousands of people go without a paycheck who keep our country safe, who are the civil servants doing the highest end research. It means that the weapons that we're testing to ensure that america holds the high ground that that goes on hold uh it means that that you know in an era where 61 of of people in this country are living paycheck to paycheck that that people will be you know deeply uncomfortable if this thing lasts you know more than a month it shouldn't it shouldn't

have to um i think that we are destined for a a short shutdown if we can get the and that's because our speaker was not doing the work in the spring and in the summer you know presenting these bills on the floor for us to work through them over time but I think that's not a a bug of the system I think it's a. I think the whole goal is to set these deadlines where we don't do any work. And then at the end, you centralize power with the donor class and the lobbyists, because if they give a lot of money, they don't really, the reason they give that money is to not have individual review of their programs. It's just to get the people they give the money to, to make sure that their special

interest is covered by the legislation. And if the donors are going to get the people they give the money to, to make sure that their special interest is covered by the legislation. And if the donors are going to, say, the Speaker of the House, it's a lot easier to centralize your lobbying on a single individual than it is the entirety of Congress. And you heard all of my colleagues during the speaker contest debase themselves, going to the floor saying, Kevin McCarthy is owed the speakership because of how much money he's raised and given us. That was why? That was the game. that was the primary reason many of my colleagues used that as the centerpiece of their

argument as to why we ought to vote for him i used it as a centerpiece of why we shouldn't vote for him because maybe we shouldn't vote for someone who's sold shares of themselves how would you all right i just my idea is my hope is that the ideas you have and the way you do things, I hope it's winning. Well, I tell you what, we got the win at our back. And we didn't have the buy-in that we have today from Republican moderates to go through these bills individually. I think they're coming to realize that is the only way we're going to get through this. And I know this is wonky, but you have a very sophisticated audience. And I got some thoughts to share.

I've been out in America, and I know a little bit about the tip pool audience but but you know the the the circumstances if we do single subject spending bills and at the same time have a continuing resolution that we pass well then i know what the senate will do those that swampy institution will just pick up the continuing resolution, negotiate its terms and forget about all of the individual review of programs. And that is that is unserious. That is unpatriotic for people who get the opportunity to be on the board of directors of the most powerful country. I think I don't know if it's the Internet or whatever. The younger generation is more tuned in to a certain degree. The idea that they would cart in 5,000 pages and say,

we know you're not going to read it and you can't sign it or else. Or else your campaign money goes away or else your committee assignments could be jeopardized. Otherwise your leadership, your gavel, if you're a chair or a ranking member on a committee, you could lose that. You got to break it. And then that's why people go home and say, you know what? I know that we're all bankrupt.

We're killing the dollar. We're destroying the American dream. But I had to vote to keep everything open because, you know, our troops and our veterans. Would you imagine how long the Constitution would be if it was drafted today? Oh, yeah. How many lawyers would have been involved with writing it? The amount of money being spent on it, lobbying for it? Jesus.

Yeah. You had an interesting question before the show that I wanted to wait on, and you said a question about default. Do you want to ask it? Yeah, so look, there's a lot of nuance to any kind of shutdown. No shutdown is the same, right? It all changes. And look, I have a number of issues,

but one of my major issues when it comes to default is the faith and credit of the US, right? The dollar is already under assault. We're having massive issues because of our economic issues, because of inflation. The dollar has been under assault for a long time, certainly on this administration. My worry, my great worry is a default. That's something I cannot sit with. Well, so what's, yeah, how do you, you you asked early I don't want to how do I mean how long will it take like how many days that take before we say okay now we're at the point where we can we have to start paying our interest rates on our bonds yeah default of course is different than the government running out of money right those

two things don't align we're we're at no risk of default because we have abolished the debt limit. Through the bad debt deal that McCarthy valeted for Democrats into law, through that, there is no limit to the amount of Fed policy that can exist to keep printing money. The problem is that money can't go to deploy to government agencies to run government programs that are deemed non-essential during a shutdown but you can increase the debt if the government shut down technically well no there is no there is no limit to the amount of dollars we will pay on interest until january of 2025 that is that is the feature of the this is the inaptly named the may the may deal that the mccart no well that's it that's that's a

different um that's a different feature that's if the 12 spending bills are not passed by march then we do uh fund everything exactly the same except take a one percent haircut starting in march and and and mccarthy and the advocates for the fiscal responsibility act, which was fiscally irresponsible, they would say, but that's a cut in spending. We should celebrate that. Now, government spending grew by 40% during COVID. And a lot of that was through entitlement programs because eligibility ballooned, but you can't grow government by 40% and then say that the grandiose win we got was a one percent haircut starting march of 2024 also we but we i'm sorry oh opportunity cost if you stop spending one percent

on something that could be making you a two percent return you're actually losing money so like just stopping certain expenditures is not necessarily a good profit but see that's that's a big debate we were having today because we had i had one member look at me and say well matt here's here's really where i can get on board with you if you just say across the board everyone takes you know a seven eight percent haircut everyone gets it every program gets it the same i think that's great what i don't want to do is have to go in and make value judgments about vertical cuts who gets vertical cuts and who doesn't because i'm really worried that if we did that there are some transportation projects in my district that would be deemed a boondoggle or wasteful and might be cut so it can't be a merit-based analysis it has to be a uniform reduction wait wait what mate

because it's not private sector yeah he's basically saying there's a strong possibility they're gonna find out that we're wasting money please don't take because it's not private sector yeah he's basically saying there's a strong possibility they're going to find out that we're wasting money please don't take our money away well and so long as everyone's wasteful spending is reduced by an equal amount and we don't we don't we don't look at logic or reason where my district might do worse that's what i i i think it's fair to say all nonsensical programs get budget cuts but it's i all or nothing i i i kind of feel like you should have an assessment on what we're wasting our money on and where we should spend it it's almost like that's our job to look at the budget and figure out what works and what doesn't

and you're right if we do uniform cuts across the board then there could be things that actually are helpful and are working and and might be providing a positive return that are diminished, while at the same time, things that should be totally zeroed out get to avoid any type of sincere review. I got to jump to this story from the Postmillennial before I get into the question I have for you. This is Ken Paxton reveals to Tucker Carlson that Biden administration lawyers were part of his impeachment investigation in Texas. So, of course, Ken Paxton, interviewed by Tucker,

even when I say that he believes 2020 was fraud, that stopping the ballot counting in Georgia was so that they can. This is what he said. He said they want to see how many votes they needed. There's a lot of questions around the DOJ's involvement in targeting Trump supporters over the 2020 election. And one of the big conversations that I hear quite a bit is defund the FBI, take away the funding for the DOJ if they're going to be political and target trump supporters with these disproportionate charges you get a guy you know he gets he gets a couple years from burning on a police station and then some other guy knocks over a bear gets two decades i'm curious where the conversation is right now in congress around defunding these law enforcement agencies for the disproportionate it central to the last forty eight hours because the mccarthy c r

uh... what that that we had to kill was sort of based on the proposition by surrendering every fight that wasn't the border and picking only the border fight that we could isolate an issue that really be abroad it brought republicans like me in concert with eric adams the democrat mayor of new york uh i and many others were unwilling to go along with that tactic precisely because to surrender the fight at the department of justice and the fbi and the weaponization that is occurring there

you know is is just not palatable and it's not just that that stuff you worry about and that constellation of problems the federal government has doesn't just emerge in the doj and the fbi i told you that the homeland security bill is one of the ones that's in this this four bill package that we're going to begin to move and there's a lot of concerns about sisa this these entities at homeland security that do a lot of domestic surveillance that are are evaluating political speech that is posted on social media, that are creating threat tags around various types of First Amendment protected activity. So that's hard work, but I'd rather do that while looking only at the Department of

Homeland Security than do that while looking at the Department of Homeland Security and the post office. Right. So, well, what's your position? I mean, should there be cuts to the FBI, the DOJ, CIA? Oh, listen, we're way past the exacto knife with those agencies. We've got to pull out the meat cleaver. And I think that- Cut it all? Well, I think that really what we've got to do is return the fbi to a law enforcement uh agency not a an intelligence collection entity really the commutation of the fbi altered the the perspective of the fbi they don't look at crimes and try to catch people committing crimes they try to become predictive of what's going to happen in the future and when they become predictive and then align that with a really they just are in totally indifferent towards

right i'm sure i i you would probably know better than me but you know i got a super chat here saying defund the fbi the atf i'm wondering where a lot of democrats would fall if someone said hey we want to provide x amount of dollars to this agency say you know the fbi ca i imagine some of them might just be like i literally don't care one way or another and could be swayed to either not support or support it whereas if you have an omnibus they're going to say yes no matter what right well in interestingly what is defining how the democrats view a lot of these things is abortion you know on the on the defense appropriations bill we have certain restrictions on how money can be used so that the department of defense isn't an abortion travel agency and for that and that alone

every democrat will vote against the defense spending bill i've gone to some of them and said like this builds a new 200 million dollar hanger in your district this brings aircraft into your state or into your community and they don't give a shit if they're like they are so um i would say driven by this abortion issue that that takes them all off the bill then the agriculture bill there's this big debate about these uh these pills that get mailed out and the fda's kind of regulation that kind of gets wrapped up into ag fda so even even the agriculture bill they'll find a way to kind of wrap in with with abortion so here's what you do whatever whatever the spending is cut down to in terms of some way

going to abortion break it up further and then have like the the you know the minor abortion funding bill please sign it and it says this bill allows for the funding of abortions in your state up to x million dollars and abolishes the Department of Education. See now. Discover the magic of BetMGM Casino, where the excitement is always on deck. Pull up a seat and check out a wide variety of table games with a live dealer. From roulette to blackjack, watch as a dealer hosts your table game and live chat with them throughout your experience to feel like you're actually at the casino. The excitement doesn't stop there.

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but that's the point. I mean, if you have to collect votes on funding for the ATF, how many Democrats are going to be very enthusiastic about signing a bill to provide funding to the ATF? All of them, because they believe that that you know gun violence is the great the next great national emergency that might justify locking us all in our homes and and dictating you know when how we live our lives but and the atf is central to how how to kind of uh gun scare people into a real restriction of their liberties how many republicans would be in favor of not abolishing but defunding to any degree the atf i i think we have a number of republicans who will support you know some cuts but let me give you an example of what we face i had a republican stand up and say uh one of my concerns is look we centralize a lot

of these fbi people in washington dc and they all become politicians because cnn's taken them to a washington nationals game and you know abc's wanting to back developC., and they all become politicians because CNN's taking them to a Washington Nationals game and ABC's wanting to develop a source. So they all become kind of media politicians. So we wanted less of that going on in D.C. So they've got a proposal for a $325 million new facility in the D.C. area. And I thought we should not fund that. We should keep them at the j edgar hoover building where they belong and a republican stood up and said i won't support taking one dollar off of that

new fbi building because then we will be the party of defunding the police well you're you're laughing but they they've already used that line over and over yeah that's not like a fake thing like they're the democrats have used that line saying the republicans the ones republicans say yes i'd be like sure well nobody thinks that the sisa agent spying on their facebook page is the same as the cop who keeps their neighborhood safe like no no one actually believes i don't think that while the democrats keep saying that i think the american people are smart enough to appreciate that distinction but i i just don't see that as a winning strategy for democrats who have constituents who are angry with policing in their in their in their districts in their cities especially as it pertains to black lives matter to try and then shift it to the republicans or defunding the police and then all you got to do

is come out be like well you know the issue was that we were concerned about the the lives of our black and brown friends and family members so yeah that's us next question and then they're gonna be like wait wait wait what let them give up one of their key talking points they raised what like a hundred plus hundreds of millions of dollars off the concept that police were bad they don't want to give that away shift all of their good social justice activists under republicans well this is why they're seeing an erosion in minority support among the democrats oh they're not they're not stupid isn't that the driving issue in new york absolutely well it is and now oddly enough immigration has become a driving issue who could have thought look one of the greatest pieces of political theater i've seen in my lifetime is having greg abbott and florida sending up migrants to blue cities and to watch

to watch the apoplection of the blue mayors is beyond belief i mean to see the mayor of chicago say it's inhumane to send them to chicago i'm like now you see my point i've been saying that for now for years i i love the it's just how do you describe it we all sit here trying our best to be good stewards of this nation, good stewards of this earth, of humanity. And we politely and respectfully say, hey, unwatched, unregulated, illegal immigration is causing problems for everybody, including the migrants. And they tell you to shut up. They call you racist. They call you a bigot. And then we say, OK, well, if you disagree, then this works out. We'll send them your way because you want to help them out and you don't

like the way we run things. And now apopleoplectic no single issue showed the hypocrisy of the left than this right when they jumped up and down and said new york is a sanctuary city well until you actually send them to me and then we're not a sanctuary city now we want them the hell out of here well adam said new york will be destroyed that's right it isn't that all because of the right to shelter law that they have like in new york you have a right the government is obligated to provide you shelter and that doesn't exist elsewhere and so by extending socialism they became a magnet for what now they claim ails them yeah they tell that the tens of thousands of homeless people i see on my streets in manhattan every single day who are not being housed or home but the the best part is that what

they what they try to do is they try to frame the homelessness issue as an economic issue not as an issue of mental illness or drug abuse right because when they frame it that way with their ultimate goal they want to take down capitalism but they say look capitalism has led to this this is why they're homeless not because they're mentally ill which they all are and this is what really pisses me off because i've worked for homeless shelters before i have dealt with the issue of the homeless and guess what why aren't these homeless people in shelters why aren't they in homes why aren't they working they don't want to be and this is exactly what what my experience was it's the experience of the people that I worked with.

They'd say, you go up to one of these individuals and you say, how would you like to have a room and board? And the only, there's like minor restrictions. You can't do drugs. They're like, no, never going to happen. They want to be out on the streets. These people are often content with having their, you know, little, their tent and their mattress. They're where they can go under the bridge and do whatever they want, do drugs. Or they're incapable of supporting themselves. But of course, the left says,

it's an issue of, I love the line they say, did you know that there are more empty houses than homeless? And I'm like, sure. But I mean, if you put a mentally unstable individual who's struggling to wash themselves and work into a house, it's just going to fall apart around them. It's not going to improve their life. You're basically saying you want to hide the problem. But Democrats will deny that it's a mental illness or drug problem.

They literally will deny it. Right. They'll say, no, no, no, that's a small minority. They literally tell you this. It's a small minority of people. By the way, they all based it on this one study

that was done at UCLA. And the study, I looked into how they did the study. How was the study accomplished? They literally walked up to homeless people and they said, are you mentally ill? And they would say, no. And they put down, no. I'm not kidding. That's how the study the study. How was the study accomplished? They literally walked up to homeless people and they said, are you mentally ill? And they would say, no. And they put down, no, I'm not kidding. That's how the study was done. And they quote that study all day long.

Yeah. Well, I walked up to a homeless guy and he had a bottle of red wine and he was just chugging from it. And I was like, you're doing okay, man. And he went Saturday morning or something like just muttering, muttered and said nonsensical words. His face was beet red. And, and I was like, I don't know how you help this guy if he can't communicate with you. And I mean, was it either Saturday or the morning? It wasn't, I was hoping it was one or the other. It was, it was a weekday. It was like a Wednesday.

And we're like, we want to try and figure out when you help these guys. And then, and don't get me wrong. I've met homeless people who are totally of sound mind who were in hard circumstances. But the issues with those guys is they take help almost immediately. You know, I tell the story of a guy I met who was older and he became homeless because he lost his job. These guys tend to accept the help instantly, go to the shelter, and then they're back on their feet very, very quickly. You know, if someone finds themselves homeless, holding up a sign. They're not chronically homeless.

Right. And then, you know, were we to go up to someone and say, hey, you really do want a job? You want to get off the streets? Like, please help we never it's problem solved but the overwhelming majority were people who are just like stay away from me and then they would go between cars and just take a dump in the middle of the street there is a solution and i thought about it a lot and the solution is and i'm and you know look i'm i'm for individual rights that's a big part of of who i am i think we have to restitutionalize people. I think it's, we have to build, we have to spend money

to build hospitals that are warm, loving environments where they can get treatment and they can get help and they can get food and we have to force them. How do you,

oh, how do you think, sorry to interrupt. Yeah. But how do you think we'll not make the same mistake that happened before, at least the situation, like the institution degraded

to the point where people were getting abused pretty regularly i don't know i wasn't there my parents both when i got it better tech well right i mean you know the the opportunities now to have better oversight better facilities look at the way prisons have changed in their construction and how inmates are you know able to be cared for and observed with fewer staff more cameras ai technology sensor technology communications technology different types of displays that you have available so i think that i think that we're not going to go back to like the 1960s and 70s version of institution yeah we're not going back to that world uh we could do this in a more modernized

way it's a solve it's a solvable problem webcams if you let people that are in the institution communicate with their families they won't feel so isolated that's a big part of it and you can even um have somebody like a therapist watching the call if you want and they can be taking notes and they know they're being watched depending on the diagnoses sure sure yeah it'd be like a privilege you could earn from good behavior i think i think the default should be that you have free communications i think that should happen in jail access personally free activities you can come and go from room as you please and then depending on the severity of the the suffering of the individual like if they're if they're prone to uh like delusions and then violence then we say okay now we're going to detain you because you're a threat to others

but for a lot of these people who are just let's just say they're not capable of supporting themselves due to a lack of cognitive capabilities. Well, you can come and go from your room as you please. You're, you're a nice individual. You're not causing anyone harm. Here's board games. Here's food, but you're off the streets. You're not covered in filth. You're not doing drugs. You're not drinking. You're not crapping on the ground. And we're actually trying to help you. What's more humane? I know it's, it is laughably absurd the idea is leave them out to crap in the streets and that's what san francisco is no these people are

not being helped by being left to roam on their own of their own devices and just live in the corner of buildings and in their own ways it's dangerous for other people to having to step over those people and if they get hungry if one guy snaps and he's got a sharp piece of glass on him you know you gotta are they just doing drugs man did you you would think it's a non-parsing issue but the reality is we're talking about wedges before it's a way they use it they want it because it uses a wedge issue say look at the the how horrible our economic system is today i want to jump to the story why wouldn't it work as a wedge issue for like as a florida man i don't really understand the homelessness thing because we have a less of a societal tolerance for it you know we just tell people you you can't set up encampments i mean we do what we

can as a state to be compassionate like you say for those who want help but you don't see these things in florida like you see them in la or or new york and like i i don't understand why the argument isn't more compelling like hey i'll get these i'll get these people to leave and quality of life will be better is that too simplistic i mean they're just we're just shuffling them off somewhere else i think we have to find a more sustainable solution i want to ask you about guys about this story this from the washington post from just the other day trump hits new poll highs with black and hispanic voters what to make of it i love the washington post i think they're typically full of crap they say either former president donald trump's standing in the early uh 2024 polls is inflated or we are headed for a sizable realignment in how non-white voters cast their ballots multiple

polls in recent weeks have shown trump performing historically well among black and hispanic voters and head-to-head matchups with biden helping put him neck and neck with biden away he rarely was during the 2020 matchup so my question is you guys is it true and if so why working class blacks and hispanics probably are getting hammered by inflation more than yuppie whites right yeah affluent white female liberals are probably aren't dealing with the cost of a family meal at a restaurant yeah when you know when the cost of a facial goes up, it's probably less impactful to the family budget than when you see prices rising at the grocery store or at the gas station.

I think there's – first of all, it absolutely is true. All the polls show it. They've showed it consistently. It's both tactically true and strategically true, and I'll tell you what I mean by that. It's tactically true in the sense of, yes, they go day to day. I'm paying more. My life is not better now than it was four years ago. From a tactical perspective, they absolutely say we need to see a change. Strategically, what I mean by that is, first of all, Hispanic people and black people are just generally culturally more conservative. They always have been. They haven't voted that way because the Democrats sold them, you know, magic beans and

said, look, we'll give you a few dollars. And for that, you'll vote for us. And frankly, they, they, they bought into it. I think they're now coming around saying, you know, first of all, A has not helped me. And B, all these cultural issues that I'm against are another part of the Democratic party that I've been supporting. And I think the more we see these issues, like people say the radical trans agenda and they laugh. They go, what does that even mean? Well, what that means is pretty simple stuff. Like, look, I don't want to see a child getting medically transitioning, right?

I don't want to see a kid being taken away from their parents. I don't want to see a man running against females or swimming against females. Like that's what we're talking, simple stuff. Have you spoken with anybody? I know you're working on this stuff. You do a lot of men in the street stuff. Have you, have you done any work around this yet? Yes. So are you finding these cultural issues are coming out in the conversations? I did a video, which I haven't released yet, but I'll just, I'll talk about it here alert yeah spoiler alert so i i went to a black community college in la right all young educated black kids and i i said let's play a game i said first of all how do you identify politically and every single one said democrat right with that exception every single one they're young they're

educated and then i said okay we're gonna play a game i'm gonna lay i'm gonna name the top 10 issues facing our country today it was trans taxes the police the border all the issues you think we talk about i'm gonna say i'm gonna give you the position of each party but not tell you which party is which and now you tell me which position you resonate with the most out of the 25 kids i talked to, not a single one resonated a majority Democrat. They were all majority Republican because the issues that they care about, they just don't know. They don't. Give us the issue that would be the biggest surprise where they aligned Republican. Oh, the biggest.

You know what? The biggest one was on giving money to uh to their community i think we're talking we're talking about spending money reparations and stuff no no no i'm just talking about just handouts and yeah welfare and yeah well i was like look by the way that that is the modern incarnation of reparations yeah like like to go and take these programs that were broadly available and then to put sort of a a lens of critical race theory or you know uh directing those money to to non-white areas like that is the modern day reparations that's happening now but you you say that's you don't think that's a

winning message i mean it really isn't like i said look if you if you see there has to be an increase in taxes to pay for more welfare benefits they go i don't want that don't want it and when i ask what they're yeah they're not politically voting they're socially voting yeah did that i mean social or cultural it's almost like they yeah cultural that's what i mean yeah it's it's it's political inheritance right i mean that's what that's what look my parents did it my grandparents did it um and there's also an association frankly republicanism and white right there's there's all this like cultural baggage that they have but if you break down the issues in the black community this is what you get right and the hispanic community by the way i think that having their open border policy i know that ultimately what was the goal of the democratic party they want to

change like the browning of america they thought that would lock in a democratic majority for generations and they said that on msnbc and all these networks and then it was called a conspiracy theory or white replacement theory or right or racism but in reality this is probably the one of the greatest geopolitical mistakes democratic parties ever made because hispanics are very look they're come they're coming here and what look like well i think obviously we need to shut down the border for any illegal immigrants the reality is the people are coming here coming from place they're running away from what communism socialism things that have destroyed their party they're not looking to replicate that here that's a bit there's a big florida energy around that like there are a lot of hispanic voters in florida that are saying what the

democrats talk about sounds a lot like what my parents and grandparents said they fled from. We don't want that here. Let me propose an alternate theory just for the sake of debate. What if it's just that Trump's the one that's most persecuted? What if you have a lot of African-American males who feel

like they are subject to persecution by the white man and they see Trump getting persecuted by a lot of white men and they they identify with that they're like you know what they're chasing that guy i i have some i have some sympathy for him i have some desire to be associated look i it's an argument i i i don't i i i would say it's fair to say that there's probably some of that i don't think it's a lot i think there's also a lot of, you know, look, man, there are people who like gold chains and gold toilets. And Donald Trump is the king of the golden toilet. That's like he's he.

But he was that in the last election. What you're seeing in this story is that it's rising. That would honestly that would explain more Trump 2016 because he was kind of a Trump type, right? A rap icon, you know trump tight right a rap icon you know max or uh mac miller wrote the the trump song and uh now i think he is known basically more by his time as president and these these political prosecutions i i you know why not going to you know why that may be let's say it's true the reason why i don't like the argument is because it just it drives me insane every time trump gets in front of a microphone and he talks about the

persecution complex when i i've said it a million times we all know this the only words out of his mouth have to be inflation and immigration that's it's it. Because that is never going to happen. I know. I know. It's a fever dream. I get it. If he just made a video on a rant where it was like a very, you know, I got a friend and they can't afford to buy. They go to the grocery store and they're spending three, 400 bucks a week.

Everyone's going to hear that. Those are the viral TikTok memes where you got these 25 year olds being like, here's what we bought a year ago. Here's what we bought a year ago here's what we bought today and it's like there's nothing left there are young people that are upset about this and biden's not talking about it he's praising by dynamics in a way it's it's sort of a tailwind for us because because people feel it every day you almost don't have to talk about it you know i mean you know what people don't feel every day the debt yep you know so you kind of have to talk about it to get people to think about it you know i mean you know what people don't feel every day the debt yep you know so you kind of have to talk about it to get people to think about it but i mean here oh that's that's

the hardest thing man the the no one's no one pays attention to the spending bill for the most part no one pays attention to how the government is spending money and what that means for your savings they don't understand why interest rates are going up or how it affects them it's just day to day but then one day they're like whoa why is my milk 35 cents more? And then some people might be like, it's only 35 cents, right? And then within a month or two months, now it's a dollar. And it's all related. If the government is just raising the debt limit and spending money that doesn't exist or printing it or creating it or fractional reserving it or whatever, then it's devaluing all the currency everyone else has. It's driving up prices. And then people, they wonder why it's happening.

The one thing I can say is, I don't think it matters who's in office when the economy is bad. All that matters is the economy is bad. You can make all the political arguments in the world for what Biden supports and doesn't support. He put his name on it. The idiot put his name on it.

He branded this economic disaster his own. Who the hell's advising this guy? I couldn't believe it. It was shocking. He's like, he's trying to hand us the election and we're doing our best to push it back to him. Yeah. It drives me nuts.

It is ripe for the taking. Let me ask you a quick question. Can I ask you a question? Please. Okay. Do you think the Democrats, the persecution with Trump and this pushing of Trump

was in order to get him the nomination? Or do you think they're that smart and devious they thought look the more we do this the more we get amy horowitz who might not necessarily support trump speaking out publicly for him because it pisses him off like do you think they're that smart i don't i i think that there's there's just a bloodlust with him that will not go away until he is dead and and he will sort of forever be challenged now you know had he gone away matter speaking yeah yeah yeah had he gone away and you know uh played golf at mar-a-lago and not re-entered politics it probably would have been a lower level persecution you know making sure he could never get financing for business deals making sure he could never uh

you know re-engage on social media platforms but because he was running again i think there was a a real blood lust for utilization of criminal law well it's it's he is a comic book villain for them to fundraise off of so he's also the he's also the one thing that unifies their coalition like what is the democratic coalition without Donald Trump? They need him because in a weird way, Trump and Biden kind of need each other. Because Trump is able to

contrast directly with Biden on the economy. Whereas if you get a Gavin Newsom, it's the art of the imagination and the possible. Whereas Biden, you have a clear record to run against. I think Biden needs Trump because the central argument for Joe Biden's candidacy is, well, I'm the one guy who's beaten Trump. Watch as a dealer hosts your table game and live chat with them throughout your experience to feel like you're actually at the casino. The excitement doesn't stop there.

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iGaming Ontario. I think Joe Biden's going out so walk me through walk me through what you think is the time frame on that and and the replacement strategy so i don't know what i should say is i think there is a high probability whatever the number may be that biden is not the nominee in 2024 and for for health reasons or yes health reasons okay absolutely absolutely health reasons now i don't know because it would seem with all forward-facing information everything from the news joe biden is going to run again but they know he can't win what is it 70 some odd percent of democrats and all of these polls say he's too old dude nobody's running against him there's two ways to run for office unopposed and terrified and joe biden is functionally unopposed

but they've got to they've got to bring in newsom i mean he's he's he's their only he newsom is substantially better for democrats than joe biden is joe biden recently there was there was a cbs report i think it said that he's concerned he won't live long enough that hunter biden's legal troubles will persist and he may die soon or something the fact that his legal troubles are going to go on for another 40 years for sure but then you had washington post run a story where they said a democrat in ohio outright claimed joe biden's death is imminent because of his old age so when you've got local democrats all saying this guy's not going to last much longer the they certainly have to keep him away from bicycles he fell he fell off one

in stairs but i mean you've got uh just recently speaking to the un when he said our institutions and we're just like what did he say all it may be the case that democrats are just too weak to make the the uh required stand a statement of everyone who isn't like all Democrat voters. We all know you are concerned about Biden's health and we are formally asking Joe Biden to step back and allow a new candidate to stand to stand. We'll have a primary. They need to do that. I just can't imagine with them knowing all of this, with all of the corporate press saying this and them even calling CNN ran a big segment about Joe Biden being a liar. I'm like, these signs don't indicate a Joe Biden 2024.

They indicate not a Joe Biden 2024. I'll tell you what the problem is, though. They have a Kamala Harris problem. It's a significant problem. It's true. The problem is, and I don't think it's the way you think I'm going to say it. The Kamala Harris problem is they cannot, they cannot, they cannot replace him without out let's skip her

over i especially a white guy no way there is a solution though aoc michelle obama oh you're right well she i i mean she says no i mean you made more insight than i i we don't hang out okay i'm surprised i'm i was shocked here i'm sorry that i got i was misinformed um i think if she decided that she wanted i got i was misinformed um i think she decided that she wanted to enter the fray i think not only she win the nomination she wins the election and it creates by the way probably without even contesting a primary or general because she would simply walk into the convention joe biden would have an instant medical need to depart and at the convention it would be viewed as this kind of dramatic unifying electric moment

she would walk in the michelle obama banners would would go up and and that would be a uh far more formidable opponent than joe biden if michelle obama decided to run i wouldn't be surprised if joe biden and joe biden said i you know guys i'm getting a little old for this and no one's better than michelle I worked with her. You have my word that that could work. Biden bowing out with Michelle coming in doesn't negatively impact on that. What evidence suggests she wants the job? No, it doesn't. And I'm not convinced that it will be Michelle. I think Gavin Newsom and my so my advice to the deep state, you would agree that Michelle Obama would be a tougher general election candidate to defeat than Gavin Newsom, right?

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I think if Michelle Obama runs, she wins. I don't know how. Barack's standing right behind her on the stage. There are some challenges, and I will stress this. Okay, my opinions change. I'm not saying it's going to be a landslide or anything for Michelle Obama. I'm saying that it would be very very difficult to overcome someone who who doesn't

have the negatives of barack because she wasn't the one bombing kids and uh isn't as active in politics it's a clean slate high profile celebrity personality however but like didn't she push the fitness thing and then get thick well what happened was she was pushing the let's move campaign which was an anti-sugar move and then they got in and the big sugar came to her and they're like why don't you make it an exercise campaign michelle and she was pushing the Let's Move campaign, which was an anti-sugar move. And then they got in and the big sugar came to her and they're like, why don't you make it an exercise campaign, Michelle? And she was like, okay. And then she changed tone to an exercise thing. It was about sugar. It was about getting rid of the sugar industry.

I don't see that as being material to a modern election. I mean, what's going to happen? Trump's going to come out and be like, remember when she was giving those kids sugar and they were fat or whatever? And they're going to be like, who cares? out and be like remember when she was giving those kids sugar and they were fat and or whatever and they're gonna be like who cares who cares so so but here's here's what i would say i think on celebrity status in that respect i don't know what trump can can do can do to beat her well i shouldn't say that i'm probably being a little bit too hyperbolic what i mean is there is a possibility that the economy is just too bad and there's a lot of people who are like i'm sick of the wokeness michelle obama would have to

embrace the progressive left which is is is tanking Democrats and the left right now. If you look at Bud Light and Target and Disney and all these companies, Disney losing what, like billions of dollars or whatever on their last 10 releases. So there's real reason to believe that the cultural moves made by the Democrats are toxic for the Democratic Party. And that's Trump's advantage right now. But you just imagine being in the room when they tell Kamala Harris that Michelle Obama is entering the race? Her head looks blood.

I think she wants it. I don't think so. I believe that Kamala checks Joe Biden's pulse every time they shake hands. Dude, I have never seen somebody more politically craven than Kamala Harris. She was willing to date Willie Brown brown to move what do you mean that's not easy yeah well let me give you my hypothetical so our viewers all know this one

but here's my hypothetical this is my advice to the deep state right obviously joe biden's a liability for the democratic party the the establishment the dnc powerful interests they need to find a way to get a better candidate so my my imagined scenario conspiracy theory is that joe biden is doing a campaign rally in california has a medical episode grass grasps his chest stumbles falls gavin newsom runs out saves the day it's too late you think it's too late to do that it's too late and b gavin Newsom was almost recalled in his own state. That's the best. That's true. He smoked that recall. Gavin Newsom was like, what, 70% to 68% of the vote? Yes and no.

At the end, he did. But I'll tell you what happened. Yeah. He was losing that recall. What happened was that Larry Elder was actually making strides. Okay. And so then after Larry Elder polled at the top of the bottom, he was literally about to win that. And then the big money was the the bottom, he was literally about to win that.

And then the big money was the tech money when he was sitting on the sidelines. The big tech money said, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. You're telling me that Larry Elder might be a replacement? Then the tech money flowed in, and that's when his numbers changed. He was going to lose that recall until the tech bros decided we're going to weigh in on this.

However, listen, your record is which you are what your record says you are this guy yeah beat a recall beat it massively in an off-year election when he locked down californians now i'm married i'm married to a californian and i know this about them they do not like to be locked down like you take someone from minnesota and you lock them down they're locked down like eight nine months a year anyway right so it's not that big a deal they got like cool indoor things to do you take these californians who like are used to eating outside and like doing all these things and you tell them that they're locked down and these people go crazy and they showed up and voted for gavin newsom anyway

there are restaurants in in southern california that are just. There's like no roof because the weather's always so nice. I don't understand. How many food trucks? As somebody from California, I spent half my time in California during the lockdown. Dude, they were sheep. The Californians were sheep.

They did whatever they were told to do with the lockdown. And then they voted for this. Do you want me to hike outside? I'm not going to hike outside. Can't surf? Not going not gonna hike outside can't surf not gonna surf i can't tell you the stories i had of i remember i was walking down the street one time in la and i wasn't wearing a mask outside because i refused to wear a mask outside look

inside people want to wear a mask i'll wear one outside i just refused to do it and one what was i heard something behind me i heard murderer murderer i'm like where what what the hell's going on what's going on i see she's face she's like instagram living me she's like you're killing people by walking around without a mask excuse me i can't i can't hear you i can't i can't read your lips i don't know like ultimately the only thing that seems to make sense is that the the the corporate press and the Democrats are outright admitting Biden can't win. Well, this is my question, because I think that Trump, and this is something that comes

up on the show, and God forbid this happens, I hope it doesn't, but that he's taken off the ballot in at least one state. Because some guy, somebody in some states, like, no, he committed a crime, I don't want him on. Then maybe they'll legislate it, maybe they'll go take it to the Supreme Court, it'll get overturned, but it'll be too late by that point. Because he's only on the ballot in 49 states, can't win it's not it's a lost cause i'm pointing at vivek it's like let's at least there's somebody but like i think what do you guys even think well yeah come october next year there's going to be one state or

some jurisdiction that's got ballots with no without trump on them we said there's no way that's going to survive review by the federal supreme court you know you're actually correct we have a system of injunctions and like right appeals that will resolve that but but it doesn't matter okay because if it look what happens in arizona on election day you get 19 inch ballots on 20 inch paper or whatever the machines get jammed up and it happens it's going to be election day people are going to go to the polling locations and polling locations are going to have bouts where trump's name is smudged removed or whatever well it's going to guess what we're going to need this time that we didn't have last last time a real legal strategy like ronald mcdaniel is it did such a bad job as the head of the rnc and frankly i wish he was not leading that organization

currently but they were all interested in promotion and brand building but there's a certain amount of like lawyering and being ready to get those injunctions right then because the key difference is once you get polluted ballots intermingled with non-polluted ballots you're never going to have any judge in the country that's going to exercise jurisdiction to go and unwind that. So let's say in Arizona on election day, 2024, not the early votes, not the mail-in votes, just the in-person votes. Trump's name is missing. You get your injunction filed. What do they do? Do they stop the election? Yes. You go and immediately enjoin the election. You'll get a court to say that you are disenfranchising those voters at that exact time. and the election must stop.

My concern is based on what we've seen with Carrie Lake in particular, with us finding out immediately the bouts were bunk. Like the bouts were wrong and did not work immediately. And then the judges are like, nah. And now we're like a year later and she's winning these cases. They ruled the signature verification was was being done illegally right but she's not winning on the remedies that's what i'm saying what i'm saying is if if you do not obtain immediate relief not file a lawsuit that you know you have to go and get relief on this emergency you have to stop the election that's a big ask of a judge and i don't

think they're gonna yeah but it can't if you don't if you don't have ballots with someone's name on it you're presenting a really severe hypothesis with carrie lake i love carrie lake i think more people intended to vote for carrie lake than intended to vote for katie hobbs and it's a great travesty she's not the governor but there were also some self-inflicted wounds there like you know when i'm willing to take someone's vote anytime they're willing to give it to me and when you drive your voters to one particular day and one particular vote method you invite a vulnerability so the the concern i have i suppose is it's not so simple as to say we need an injunction on this election right now because

trump's name's on the ballot and then get immediate relief a few problems how could there be immediate relief we need to stop the election postpone it so get an injunction immediately go walk to the courthouse there's a duty judge that's on so this means the election wants to take place a week from now after we reprint the ballots and get them fixed however the second thing is and i don't know if it'll be arizona that does this or i think there's a possibility it happens the secretary of state then says we legally and legitimately took his name off the ballot under the 14th amendment so before you get your injunction we get a chance to argue why we did it sure well that's an injunction hearing they'll have like they'll have like an

hour to argue it but but if they already print the ballots you'll be arguing day of during the election and the judge will have to say i nullify today's results i it is within the power of a court to provide that relief in real time without without a delay arguing something i mean if this was going to go down this would this would already have been done before the election i don't know i don't think the thing where it's gonna be a surprise where the attorney general of a state is going to be all of a sudden on day of election take the name off i think it's gonna be done beforehand that the suits arizona the the the ballots were printed wrong the files were changed at hundreds of locations i i don't know how that's possible unless someone intentionally goes and manually changes the

setting and i think that was the determination that all of these uh was a couple hundred voting voting machine locations had the wrong ballots for the wrong machines you're not arguing the 14th amendment argument that they're making you're not arguing they're taking him off the ballot because he doesn't shouldn't qualify no no i'm sorry i am what i'm saying is if they can create the bad ballots and have them ready on election day without anyone knowing they certainly can do the same thing and say i didn't need to inform you that there was a 14th amendment determination i think it would be really really hard to maintain the results of an election like that where someone unilaterally without notice decides

they're going to remove a candidate's name from i agree but in arizona they did this they didn't they didn't you know i i understand but the ballots did not work in the machines they were made for and that was done unilaterally at hundreds of locations disenfranchising voters and the only argument they have uh in favor ofbs was, oh, but don't worry, nobody lost their vote because of it. And that's a nebulous argument. You did not count. We can't track those numbers. The vote was busted in Arizona.

Like, you don't think there's going to be one state that does. OK, let's say it's not even taking Trump's name off the ballot. I don't think so. Let's say New Hampshire. The ballots are printed on the wrong size. Whoopsie-daisy. And then they're going to say, well, too bad. You know, we believe nobody was disenfranchised from this.

Case closed. And the question is, and I'll throw it to Texas v. Pennsylvania in 2020. I was talking about this earlier. It was the correct decision of Ken Paxton to file the suit. It was the correct decision of Alito and Thomas to say the Supreme Court should hear this case. But the rest of the justices in my view were probably sitting there being like i'm not going to be responsible

for a contingent election there's gonna i i'm willing to believe that's exactly right right a bunch of these judges when it came to 2020 it's not a question of fraud i i've never been a big fan of like oh they ballots printed in China Dominion. The issue was Texas argued that four key states altered their election rules outside of the legislature through executives or through the judiciary. And that is not constitutionally allowed. And there needs to be a review on this. That is true and correct. If you read the constitution, the state legislatures have ultimate say. And some of these legislatures were actually asking Trump and asking states, hey, we did

not agree to these terms with universal mail-in voting, et cetera. Some did. Pennsylvania, the GOP teamed up and they made these changes. But the judges just would not. They threw out all these things on standing so the merits are never even heard. My fear for 2024, I don't know how we have. Let me pause. I'll put it this way.

Stephen Marsh, I reference this guy a lot. He wrote me pause. I'll put it this way. Stephen Marsh, I reference this guy a lot. He wrote a book, I think he wrote it with Andrew Yang, called The Last Election. And I think they're making the argument that 2024 could be the last election. But the argument that he's made on all these issues would actually indicate that 2020 was the last election. However, based on the perspective of Trump supporters, 2016 was the last election. Full stop. Democrats think Russia interfered to get Trump elected, which means 2012 was the last real election

we ever had. Look, I'll tell you my issue with all these arguments. And it's an issue I have, there's another issue I have with Trump is that he keeps talking about, fine, the election was stolen, the election was stolen

without having a solution, right? Which means that what's to stop the election being stolen again which look when this come when this whole thing is to come out the turnout right at the end of the day what's going to determine who's going to win it's going to be turnout and all you're doing and this is what you did frankly with georgia right you were just depressing turnout and that's why we lost georgia that's why we lost the senate and i think we also had terrible candidates in georgia the candidates were well they well i think i think the fraud narrative helped one of them in particular was

terrible but but the the heap heap look this is a huge issue that i will never i just i just i i can't look at trump and say you know i i take your apology it just he lost the senate because he pushed people not to vote there there was uh we had a uh democrat politician on the the culture war show friday mornings who said i ran ads of trump's statements to disenfranchise republican voters of course i fully well you have to give georgia credit because their legislature came into session and they do have better signature verification laws they do have better ballot custody laws it's not perfect i don't love the way things are running fulton into cab county but there's at least more opportunity for state lawmakers to put those local jurisdictions into

some sort of legal receivership when they start breaking the law so there's been some progress in georgia we should champion that i would i would not be surprised if in 2024 you have in uh republican swing state areas whoops the ballots were smudged for joe biden and then in democrat areas whoops the ballots were smudged for trump something happening procedurally because if you look at arizona as the key example of this with carrie lake i don't understand how any judge could reasonably say that election is sound when the ballots were wrong. I'm sorry. If I was a judge and someone came to me and said, hey, the wrong ballots were printed, I'd be like, oh, wow, we better have a new election.

No questions asked. Done. Out, out, out. You look at that, and my concern now is, why would Republicans not play the same game and say, okay, in the jurisdictions we have more control over with the Secretary of State that we need to win, let's whoopsie-daisy some ballots. And then Democrats will just do the same thing that happened in Arizona and other jurisdictions. That goes to a very ugly place, my man. I know, I agree. It's already happening. If we can't resolve these differences through elections,

then history tells us that it's a far darker place that people go. I don't like the path of using dirty tactics. I think that what you were saying, Ami, is that we should offer we should offer solutions like yeah maybe the votes were hacked back in the day if you i've got clinton eugene curtis testifying in front of congress that he built software that flips votes 51 49. okay that's on congressional testimony knowing that developers can flip votes 51 49 and you don't see it makes me wonder that maybe maybe we should fortify against that maybe we should start backing up our votes on a blockchain somewhere, somewhere that's immutable that we can reference,

so we don't have to rely on a private corporation to tell us what our vote tallies were. Let me ask you, Matt, do you think there's any appetite among Democrats, or any chance they would support a bill that would make voting machines code open source? Yes, there are democrats who particularly look at blockchain as a tool that can be used in in election integrity and so uh it's the younger ones not blockchain i'm just saying well no blockchain actually i was i was answering specifically what what ian was saying because there are folks who believe that that would be a way to really validate these things and create a standard for the world the code for these machines

need to be publicly available. I don't know that we can really do that. I don't know that we can go tell someone that they have to make their code open source. Well, I suppose you're right. States need to do it. It's not a federal question. So yeah, I was wrong about that.

The other thing is, and this also pissed me off, I think it was Megyn Kelly who was interviewing Trump, and she said, look, the Democrats are ballot harvesting. Will you ballot harvest? There's only one answer to that.

The answer is yes. Yes. That's the answer. The answer's not, I don't know, I don't think so, because you gotta, he was, why? Because he was upset that ballot harvesting cost him the election last time, which, by the way, totally understand,

totally, that's part of the, of the part of his conspiracy I can get on with. That's not a conspiracy. That's what happened. But the only answer is, that's a tactic, look the part of his conspiracy i can get i get on with that's not a conspiracy that's what happened but the only answer is that's a tactic that look you were talking about the tat that's a tactic they're using it would be political malpractice not to do the same thing well trump did say as much as i just like it when we are doing that i mean i give a lot of credit to charlie kirk and turning point because they they have operationalized a lot of young people to get involved in getting folks to make their ballot requests showing back up when that request is made bring a stamp if you have to tell somebody to put it in the mailbox get

the ballot put it in the drop box i mean that work is being we're finally building that infrastructure it should be the republican party doing that they have failed and so it's a group like turning point dude it's so important that we open up the voting voting machines so we can see their tallying tactics because there's no greater threat in my opinion to american the american way of life than international technocracy and if people are trying to control our elections on voting machines behind the scenes like that is absolute tyranny whether for good or evil it's tyranny they have control of our system it has to stop and maybe completely correct you're saying it has to begin with the states the states run their own elections so the federal government's not going to regulate what california or illinois does but then you don't want that by the way right you know uh

in florida they did it was actually the democrats who said uh this technology with the pimpled chads and the dimpled chads after the bush v v gore matter they wanted paper ballots so now in florida anytime there's any funny business where people got concerns about machines or tabulation there's a requirement for paper ballots there's a chain of custody for those paper ballots there are retention requirements for those paper ballots and it's led to a pretty high functioning system. Oh, that's good. This is why people got to vote locally.

And too many people look to federal government to solve problems that federal government cannot solve. Can you guys, from the federal government, issue like suggestions to states? Well, here's an idea. Back when school choice was really emerging in the thought space of conservatism, Congress was looking to get involved, but we believed education was primarily a state function. But there is one place that we have exclusive jurisdiction, and it's Washington, D.C. And so Congress did D.C. education vouchers. They drove down the cost, they increased the quality, and then that became a model for places like Florida, where we've expanded school choice. So one idea is that you take whatever is the gold standard for elections on signature verification, election day voting, voter ID, not letting illegal aliens vote, know uh all of all the jim crow stuff yeah

right right apparently uh take all that stuff and say these are the new election laws for washington dc and there you're you're putting it over an overlay of a primarily democrat area but you could model that and see if it was replicated so like a blockchain backup system with like seven blockchains where everything's you can go high tech or low tech you know our paper ballots better than blockchain I think it's a reasonable debate but but we could actually design a model system uh without violating our concepts of Federalism yeah I think it'd be both paper and backed up on a blockchain so you could reference the two who would have to put that in order it would be Congress yeah we have a committee the house administration committee that has jurisdiction

over this and it's precisely what the chairman told me he's working on an ideal election integrity bill for washington dc that that we hope would uh would draw favor elsewhere we got to talk about the border so we got this story from the hill biden administration sending 800 new troops to border amid migrant crisis. We also have the Texas governor, Greg Abbott, declaring an invasion. He previously declared an invasion. He was just reiterating that he had declared an invasion. And we recently learned that the town of City of Eagle Pass, I believe the town, declared an emergency, 4,000 migrants in a single day.

I got a lot of questions. It does feel perfect political timing all of a sudden this news is back in place the election's coming up and now we're getting big news about this why why is is this like a legitimate spike that's just happening right now or has this been going on for the past you know two or three years go ahead on me i mean as somebody who's who's been uh who traveled with a number of the caravans come up here. No, it's been going on for a while. And when you ask them, why are you coming up now? They will tell you because Biden is president.

This is what they'll tell you. This is what they told me. I mean, this could not be more obvious. I mean, just look at the statistics when Trump was president versus Biden, right? I mean, this is not debatable. Well, they have those shirts that like, what is that please let us in biden or something like that those yeah despite the democrats living in their alternative reality where they say the border is closed we've closed the border right isn't that what they say all all day long i reckon yeah there's there's a video where it looks like

border patrol agents open the gates let them in and count them and then close it and these are these are like african migrants coming in that are being welcomed in by u.s border patrol they're not protecting our borders they're suing texas for putting up the buoys on on the buoys are down yeah obtained relief that's right and on u.s in the u on the u.s side how dare we what are we doing here what are we doing i look at the end of the day they they still believe despite what we talked about before where they're making a mistake in terms of how this is going to work out generationally for them, they still think this is the best tactic to lock in generational Democratic votes by letting everybody in. said is having a border racist and they all said yes it's racist to have a border because you're not allowing brown people discover the magic of bad mgm casino where the excitement is always on deck pull up a seat and check out a wide variety of table games with a live dealer from roulette to blackjack watch as a dealer hosts your table game and live chat with them throughout your

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Like, I want to be here, but you should try to stop me. Like, they get it. Take a look at this story from the New York Post. Biden secretly has let 221,456 migrants fly into the u.s in the past year how is it that we're getting a story that he's sending troops to the border but he's also

letting them all come in it sounds like it's it's fake news like or it's just an it's a virtue signal it's a virtue signal because they're getting hammered by eric adams and hokal and a lot of these uh sanctuary city jurisdiction left-leaning politicians and they are they are in need of some sort of gesture that they can point to that they've been heard but you don't need to look any farther than the cbp1 app that our own department of homeland security developed to ensure that there was a orderly and appropriate passageway for people into our country without too much paperwork. And it was immediately hacked by the cartels and totally utilized by the cartels to move their own people into the country. So we literally built an app for the cartels so that there wouldn't be too much bureaucratic challenge for them. How long was it hacked before they realized it had been hacked?

Oh, I mean, it was within a matter of weeks well and they were just being used to like organizing yeah well the cartel would would wall off any any any claims that weren't the claims into the system that they had managed controlled and and monetized what's what's the florida sentiment right i know there's a lot of uh cubans and venezuelans who escaped communism and they come to florida and we also know that florida has a huge swing towards republicans in the past election cycle i'm curious like what's what's it like on the ground for regular people how do they feel about the illegal immigration well it turns out in florida we actually have enough people coming to our state just from other states within the united states you know we we've got the uh migrants from uh illinois and uh new york and california there there is a new law that governor desantis and our legislature put into effect

that creates consequences for people and that ensures that people are held until the ice detainers are executed on and it's not just going to be released into our community and we've actually had a lot of successful self-deportation in recent months in florida where people who are there illegally are getting up and leaving i know that because i've had construction companies and lawn care companies call me and say well what the heck this this new law in our state is causing all my workers to leave and there will be some short-term pain when we ultimately reshape our economy around the american experience not just exploiting people who come here that you can pay under the table it's it's the drugs man it's the it's the figurative

economic drugs of they they want cheap labor to come in but then they create industry that becomes dependent upon it and then you become the bad guy for trying to solve the problem. You say, we got it. We got to deal with illegal immigration. And all of a sudden, oh, no, I'm losing my my my cheap under the table workers. It's your fault. in crying wearing white like a bartending specter crying about keeping kids in cages in the last couple years well no no it's it's it's called uh because when it was donald trump we had cages for for these children and children were put in cages but as soon as biden came in we replaced the cages in name and now we call them safety facilities that's right put the word safety yes once you use the word safety that means you can do anything you want. Don't tell McCarthy. It'll be the safety continuing resolution that I'll have to vote on next week.

Or the Patriot continuing resolution. And by the way, one of the games I now see the people on the left doing is that they go, well, we send them into the interior of the country, but the majority of people come back for their court case. Now, by the way, technically that's true, but the reason why that's true is because they know you get two, right? The first one they come back for

because they know they get an appeal. They never come back for the second one. They come back, but they never, the left never mentions the second one. They only mention the first one statistically because they're right, because that's the argument now. No, no, no, no.

You can let them in. They all come back for their court case unreal it's the it's the it's very dark in my mind when i think about excessive immigration what it's done to countries in the past what it's done to empires in the past when it did to rome are we all thinking about the roman hyper accelerated the fall of the empire like rome i was thinking of the uk what what's the status yeah in the uk what immigration has done to that country has been devastating to their economy to their social experience it's been rough france not much better germany much better sweden oh yeah all those nordic socialist economies all the all the folks that were displaced from the wars in the middle

east ended up working their way kind of up through Europe and into those benefit structures. The funny thing about the Scandinavian countries is how Norway was a bit more based and Sweden was a bit more woke. Norway was like, we will absolutely release all the stats on crime, demographics, age, etc. Sweden was like, we're not going to do that. So what happened is people in Swedeneden would look at norway because

it's extremely comparable and be like yeah we know our government's lying to us in denmark when you're trying to get on the train to malma you got to give you got to give your id because they're very concerned it's the it's the danish they're super concerned about what's going on sweden they don't care so sweden used to when they released the crime statistics they did release the demographics of the crime statistics they did release the demographics of the crime statistics they stopped doing right yep i'm looking at the lamped country that italian island that's been overrun by tunisian migrants like 13 000 tunisians just around this island of 6 000 people or something france has said yesterday they're not going to welcome the

migrants that are in lamped usa uh poland accused the eu of encouraging human trafficking for allowing this to happen um they are the traffickers kick them off the uh off uh tunisia off the coast and then it's uh it's military and and uh ngos that come pick them up it's all human trafficking so when i when i i actually went on the raft with the syrian uh migrants from turkey to greece wow how long was it at that short super short it was maybe three hours you could see you could see greece wow how long was it at that short super short it was maybe three hours you could see you could see greece yeah you can see greece when you take off i watch people swim you're in my crazy yeah we have very different type of trips to the mediterranean i remember when i when i was having a discussion my first you know because people were dying on this trip oh so i had a conversation with the um with the coast guard you at new york coast guard

i said i i need a little bit of advice they go go, well, I need to know what it's like if I'm going on this rafting trip across the ocean, across the, the, the, uh, Adriatic to, to Greece. They go, okay, you're kidding, right? I'm like, no, I'm serious. They go, okay, here's the things that you need. So I needed a, a type two life jacket. Makes sense. The kind of thing that if you lose consciousness, it keeps you, your, your face up. You needed a strobe light also made sense you know in case you're in the thing um you needed a flare gun took all these things made total sense then they said you need a uh a knife so i said okay i'm assuming that's because if i get caught in the rigging i i can cut myself i go no no no he's like they're all gonna try to steal your life jacket you have

to stab your way out of it wow and he goes and the one last thing you need you ready for this condoms i go look man i'm a red-blooded american but i think i could hold myself on a three-hour raft but he goes no no if you do lose your life jacket if you blow up condoms and put them under your arm it'll give you maybe 10-15 minutes of extra time wow so uh check out this map you want to pull this up carter this is uh this is greece and uh this is lesvos you can see it's it's it's super close to turkey so all the migrants are coming here there's migrant camps and then that's greece so once you're in greece there's a ferry that goes straight to athens but you're as you're talking about it's all trafficking for me to get on this raft i had to deal with the turkish mafia yeah they controlled the entire thing and by the way it's not cheap that was a it was 2 000 euros

if you're a migrant to get to let to get a seat on this thing i don't like i don't even know where they're coming not including well i'll tell you i'll tell you i interviewed i've interviewed two brothers who uh one brother left before the war got really bad and went to romania and got i don't know if he got citizenship he got like he got, he got refugee status. So it allowed him to travel through the Schengen zone, allowed him to work, and he was living a good life doing computer graphic design stuff. His brother stayed behind. Then eventually, Europe closes

off, saying, like, no, we can't take any more refugees. So he tries to get on a raft from Izmir to Lesvos, and he's a young man who has money and works. He saves it up. This is not, so, I mean, this is someone fleeing war, for sure. But they have money and works. He saves it up. So, I mean, this is someone fleeing war for sure, but they have money.

It's not like it's just people living in rubble. But they're not. See, here's the thing. They're not fleeing war. They're not going from Syria. They're going from Turkey. Once they're in Turkey, you're safe. You're not fleeing war anymore.

Right now we're just talking about I want an upgrade on my life conditions, right? That's the only issue. They're not leaving from Syria to get away. They're already safe physically in Turkey. I completely agree. And the way Erdogan has used this to leverage the West and the EU has been pretty masterful, right? Whenever he seeks some concession,

he threatens to have some massive release out of Turkey. And whenever he gets what he wants, he'll sort of constrain those releases. And so it's become geopolitical he's weaponized it for sure i've destroyed his own economy but yeah he's weaponized that i've heard the excuse that people are fleeing economic tyranny i don't know how to describe it they're like they're economic uh refugees like dude that doesn't exist bro that's not how it works that's why every person has pretty much come to the united states uh over the last 50 years and we used to call those people illegal aliens and now we call them economic refugees but why but why right the question why are they using that language using

it very specifically it is all the game is the destruction of our capitalist system that's the game and the more you were use the word economy economy it's because of money it system. That's the game. And the more you use the word economy, economy, it's because of money. It's money. It's because they're saying, look, your system is what put them there. We have to raise the entire thing and start over again with the socialist structure.

And if it wasn't the economy, it was climate change. Right, yeah, yes. By the way, so interesting. I don't want to get off topic, but you brought it up. So interesting the way Zelensky in his speech mentioned climate change so often. And by the way, I'm a supporter of Ukraine and it's the fight against Russia. How much have you given? Well, so let's pull the story up.

I pay a lot of taxes. Let's pull this story up and we'll jump in. Sorry about that. Here we go. From Timcast.com. Intelligence official, quote, Russia has already won. White House media are lying about Ukraine. The explosive claim was made in the latest bombshell report published on September 21st

by Pulitzer Prize winning investigative reporter Seymour Hersh, who spoke with an official who has access to current intelligence about the conflict. The war is over. Hersh has won. I read that quote already. According to Hersh's report, the war is continuing because Ukrainian President Volody that quote already according to hersch's report the war is continuing because ukrainian president volodymyr zelensky insists that it must currently there is no discussion at zelensky's headquarters or at the white house about a ceasefire and no interest in discussions that could lead to an end of the conflict so i suppose

we could just say right now seymour is wrong and his source is bad but i'm curious what you guys think about where we're what's currently going on where we are with ukraine and you were going to make a point before i interrupted you uh about uh the war in ukraine ah so so yeah the reason why um yeah i'm gonna see him in a second but the reason why he's using the language of climate change and the reason why he they now have a trans person as a military spokesperson that's going well he was put on leave oh he was okay yeah uh because he stole somebody's luggage no no he said that everyone who spoke out against the government needed to be jailed and then they went and arrested guns uh gonzalo lira and uh have been at gonzalo reported torturing him yeah they were threatening that anyone that spoke poorly of ukraine would be facing like justice

and it's like are you threatening u.s citizens that spoke out against ukraine and they're torturing one right now so a couple days ago they were put on leave i don't know much more about it that's what i heard anyway sorry to interrupt i'm just saying that they look they know they know that they are um look where's their bread buttered it's by administration yep all he hears biden saying is climate change climate change so hey hell why don't i make climate change the issue here and i'll get even more it's really low brow a really pathetic attempt to manipulate i'm very concerned about you know it may be pathetic but i think it works i think the left looks down and go oh he's for it's a signal what he's saying to the the elite left is i'm willing to read the script it's a

signal to them that i'm your boy i'll read this what you climate change trans what's the next thing you guys need just keep the money flowing these are all signals for that that explicit purpose I'm not going to get into like who's winning or losing the war because I'm on the armed services committee and don't want to reflect on anything classified but I think we can look at Afghanistan and we can look at what's going on here and say what a lot of these defense contractors are pushing toward is how to have an extended kind of low yield war. Like if there's a way to stretch this thing out, turn it into a 20, 30 year kind of thing where there's a whole lot of money moving around and unaccountable pots and a lot of weapons

getting bought. And then, oh man, the stockpiles, well, we got to spend more money to reload those. I think that the reason we are as involved in Ukraine as we are is because Afghanistan wound down and if we still had Afghanistan to launder money through there probably wouldn't be the need for this type of excessive involvement in Ukraine dude I would love to alter our weapons program to create just a drone defense program where we go up into space and low orbit and we just build billions of drones that we blow up and we give the defense companies all this money, even more money than they're making now, to blow up machines instead of humans.

And then we can work with Russia. That rant from Ian Crossland was brought to you by Raytheon. Let me take my jacket off. I know we're going two-on-one here, and I'm good. Two-on-one? Yeah, I know. It's going to be both you guys and me. That's fine.

What about him? Three-on-one. I'm an innocent sideliner what are you thinking i i look well the idea that we would just give money the military industrial complex to appease them to abate them because they do bad things it's kind of like it's a parasite in my brain and i don't know how to get rid of without killing myself so i don't want to kill myself uh and i admit that military is a big part of our the ethos of the united states i mean we're a militaristic country just keep the tumor on your foot keep it away from your pancreas i just i just want to remind you the language

you're using and look it's okay but the language the left right left has always been the ones talking about the military industrial complex and that's what runs our country and and i'm not saying it's the one thing they were right about i'm not saying you can't say it just because great leftist thinker dwight d eisenhower but i think they were they i think the left 10 13 years ago was right about a whole lot they supported julian assange now all of a sudden they're in line with amazon walmart and major corporations for free speech and they oppose government surveillance yeah now they're in favor of censorship yeah it's the military used to be racist now they're for nato expansion they used to be opposed to uh defunding the police then all of a sudden

started using that against republicans i drank with julian assange while i was under house arrest in london oh wow what did you drink scotch okay what else do you drink single malt blended what am i a troglodyte of course a single malt okay just checking i used to be i i look at this report it's funny that this tim cast just published this it's uh i believe agent adrian norman was reporting on it because uh i said this a little while ago and we were talking downstairs before the show i was talking to ami and i said so we have this map from the bbc and you can look at february 22 uh 2022 you've got separatist back donbass and then you have crimea under russian control and then by june 2023 russia controls

the entire land bridge into crimea and so they they won they seized the territory they wanted to gain control and more access to their their their uh warm water port in the in the black sea and their access to the mediterranean so first of all seymour hirsch is not a credible source right i mean sometimes something he says is credible you don't you don't buy the bin laden seymour hirsch story no not an argument though so so i could say i understand the new york times insert all the wrong things everything that was wrong about all the military stuff but i agree with you we don't have to just blindly agree this story is true so i'm looking i only look at this to the prism of what's good for the united states ultimately right what is good and what is

in our national interest it is in our national interest to continue to degrade the russian military taking russia off the geopolitical board which is what we are in the process of doing and It is in our national interest to continue to degrade the Russian military. Taking Russia off the geopolitical board, which is what we are in the process of doing, and taking them off that board for 25 or 30 years is in our national interest. To destroy them economically by losing their entire European access to the gas market is in our economic interest. And even more than that, what's really in our interest? Taking Taiwan off the table in terms of a Chinese invasion. And I'm telling you, this is what we've done. China has looked at Ukraine, understanding it is not in the U.S. national interest anywhere close

to what Taiwan is. And we went to bat for Ukraine. They understand that if they invade Taiwan, they are screwed. They will not invade taiwan for the next 25 years they technically did several but like we're talking about land invasion because four days ago we've had jerusalem post saying china invades taiwanese air airspace with 20 military aircraft a week before that there was something like 60 different ships they're flying stories over taiwan all the time right so that answer would absolutely get an a at the georgetown school of foreign service right that that is the that is the answer that we hear most frequently so i want to take some of those arguments first that we have to take russia off the geopolitical landscape so since the invasion they have actually

got more relationships in africa not less putin just hosted this big african summit where they all came to moscow and he was able to make even even more audacious claims of support and grain and by taking you know by taking ukraine out of the distribution of some of that grain he's stepping in to fill it so in a way the war in ukraine is allowing him to project more power in Africa. May I respond to that? Please, please, please. That's the argument? Who cares? By the way, I care way more about the essential elements and the rare earth elements that drive the entire global economy that exists in Africa

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And they're in Alaska. We've got to invade Alaska. What's more geopolitically important, the Donbass or Africa? It's not about Donbass. What do I care? What's more geopolitically important, the Donbass or Africa? What do I care more? It's not about Donbass. What do I care more about Africa? We have driven Sweden and Norway into NATO, which they didn't do for decades and decades. That's what we've done.

Lovely. Now we've provided, we've extended the security guarantee to two more countries. Two more very stable countries who, by the way, are in absolute interest to defend. By the way, I am not for Ukraine being part of NATO. i'm not for ukraine being part of the eu for those reasons i'm not looking to have i do not want to have any i don't want a u.s troop in ukraine and i wouldn't support anything that would contractually obligate us to do that but for sweden norway to have them come to nato is a huge win for us because there are two more countries that now are are protectorates of the united states there are two more people that that that have armies that well let's see when

they actually meet the requirements on their military spending and and and by the way we this has also helped put yeah look i again i agree completely i think it is a is an embarrassment that they haven't i think we should and i think i'm glad and by the way they increased their they increased their spending because of trump trump pushed them to increase their spending because he said we'll pull out and they said whoa but by the way they have spent more money on ukraine than we have i'm glad that at least sweden and norway have spent more money on ukraine than we have all of europe okay well you know since ukraine's in europe it seems reasonable okay but i'm saying is they we have now found a way to get them to spend more money on the military. And I think they realize that we have to spend more money.

All it cost us was $118 billion? That's a, you know what? Is that all it is so far, $118? I thought it was more. That's all we got on paper. Yeah, I mean, seems like a lot to me. I also want to address the Taiwan argument because I think the major geopolitical objective we ought to have is to stop a fusion of China and Russia. The Sino-Russian alliance poses a greater threat to us than almost anything. And through our involvement in this war, we have driven Russia into the arms of China. You look

at a lot of the farmland in Eastern Russia, it is getting bought, literally bought by the Chinese. You're seeing a leveraged buyout of Russia through China that is making them stronger. And I don't think that she views Donbass and Ukraine as in any way comparable tactically to the home game that they get to play in Taiwan. I mean, it's not a surprise to anyone that when we war game out a Taiwan conflict, China wins every time. Why? because our f-35s don't get into the fight our littoral combat ship gets blown up before they even get there and we run out of torpedoes that's what happens in every in every war game and i don't know that that type of a like maritime amphibious assault is comparable to putin running some broken tanks into you into ukraine and when

it comes to degrading the russian military i worry more about russia's nuclear weapons than i worry about what tanks and armored divisions they have rolling around the plains of europe i don't think my constituents i don't think my constituents are fundamentally impacted based on which guy in a tracksuit is in charge of crimea yeah i do think they're impacted if we are like poking the nuclear bear i I do believe that it is well within the capabilities of Putin to use nuclear weapons. I am not saying MIRVs or the Satan 2 missile, they call it. I'm talking about 100 kiloton nuclear artillery, things like that, being launched into battlefield areas. Bill, why do you take the Mervyn armaments off the table so

Oh, I'm not. I'm saying the first thing we should be concerned about is in the active theater in eastern Ukraine. A false flag. No, no. I'm saying don't. Yes, that's a big factor as well. But honestly, there's a good argument to be made that it is more reasonable that Ukraine would false

flag a nuclear strike to blame Russia. But there's also very good reasons forussia if they want to expand their territory beyond just the land bridge why do you think they would do that why would russia use no no what you think you could i mean look i'm not i don't know i'm not in the mind of the ukrainians i'll give you it's really simple if you're a ukrainian if you were zelinsky do you want to lose the war no of course not uh do you are are you in what position are you right now well as you already pointed out you're actively trying to convince americans to keep footing the bill and you know republicans are off the table so you're playing the democrat game not republicans in congress

well sure sure they're the lagging indicator you know that the the the the the american population and the way the maga base operates that you're not going to be pandering to them although they probably should be. So let's think about what it means to actually win a war. Does it make sense if you are, say, like a warring, there's feudal lords warring in Japan, and they're like, you know, I got to take out my rival. Let's walk to his front gates and then fight his guards.

Or does it make more sense to have a ninja dressed like a maiden or a servant go in in the middle of the night, take out the emperor, and then flee by running out the back door. These are the tactics of actual war, guerrilla tactics. It's impractical to think that the only thing any military is going to do is march down the field and then point weapons at each other. If you want to win and you want support, false flags are tried and true methods used by governments throughout history. Take the Gulf of Tonkin, for instance.

The U.S. needs public support to enter the Vietnam War. So, oh no, we're under attack. Our ship's been attacked. There's absolutely brilliant reasons for Zelensky to false flag a nuclear strike, a small tactical artillery strike. Maybe it's a lower yield nuclear bomb. And then say, our tests indicate it was a nuclear strike. And they can make it seem reasonable.

But there is a reason why he wouldn't do it. And the reason why he wouldn't do it is because he would lose all support. That's not true. There was a missile hit. What was that shopping district that got hit? And they said it was Russia. Turns out it was a straight missile. That wasn't on purpose.

Right. My point is. Blaming it on Russia was on purpose. I'm sure at the time they thought it was Russia. But you're making an assumption it wasn't on purpose. Everything sure look i'm sure in the in the in at the time they thought it they thought you're making an assumption it wasn't on purpose everything we're talking about is exactly so what we can say right now is that a ukrainian missile hit ukrainian civilians and they blamed russia for it we don't know that it was a false flag the presumption is it was an accident but we don't need to make any assumptions about it at all all we know is when a ukrainian

missile hit ukrainians they blamed russia for it look there's a there's a massive degree of difference between a a a a missile that went that went you're assuming that you're no no there is a massive difference between a nuclear missile an error and you have to make the assumption because you're wishing for goodwill you have an optimism bias and the normalcy and optimism bias says the accident has to be the case because nobody wants to accept the the scenario that ukraine bombed their own citizens to to justify ongoing uh engagement with russia but they did blame russia for what was clearly their missile yeah but back back to china i think this is an important point because i'll look again we're looking at the u.s interest what is best is best for US interest and obviously degrading China is in the US undeniably

So look this this idea obviously Russia Russia and China have been in there each other's orbits for generations And and this is this is yes, this is maybe accelerate that to a certain point And by the way, you know China is in a lot of trouble China is in a crap load of trouble But there's a pacing challenge that was of trouble but there's still our pacing challenge you can see there's still our pacing challenge oh yeah yeah no for sure for sure there's no question about it but um them spending money when we to to fight a war is something that isn't in their interest like they're going to do it it's going to hurt them we can afford it more than they can

look the reason you're talking about the taiwan, not the Ukraine conflict. No, no, no, I'm talking about Ukraine. Well, it's actually both. But the reason why, how do we win the Cold War? Because we destroyed the Russian economy because we outspent them, right? This is not a game. China, certainly not Russia. Russia cannot outspend this game at all, right?

They're just a gas depot with a nuclear missile on top of it. Ah, you sound like Ronon de sanis and john mccain and mitt romney i know you meant that as a as a cut on me and a lot of people are like it's a compliment right um but the the reality is that they both and china as well can ill afford to be in a spending war with us in in ukraine that's a and b look again it goes back to the idea of taiwan we don't we have a much larger interest in taiwan than ukraine right oh undeniably yeah and there is no and china understands that they're not stupid they understand it's our interest and they they saw what we did for ukraine for us and the europeans did for Ukraine for us and the Europeans did for Ukraine with a much lower strategic

threshold than Taiwan they understand this is not something we can F with yeah but they aren't Russia and the Taiwan scenario does not present the same opportunities that that uh the Donbass conflict does because you can move weapons through Poland you can you've got all these all these other this different geography where's taiwan how do you get into that fight is a real question and us or them us how do we get into that fight what are our bases japan yeah but but but australia immediately they start making moves there against those but what do we have in australia we have planes and ships that will be taken out by hypersonic missiles and we have we do not have sufficient defenses to those and china is ahead in hypersonics they can hit a moving target we can't it seems that the united states also i mean australia is substantially further away than you know yes but in southeast asia but look obviously yes i

mean tactically speaking these are all points that are true but ultimately they understand that we we wanted to we can bring weapons to bear that would absolutely just blow them out of the water they get that in taiwan yes we would not be able to maintain air superiority over taiwan okay china has exquisite air defense that is right there in their neighborhood so when we get within 600 miles of taiwan we get vanquished and not just that is the implication that our air support is to decimate the civilian regions of taiwan we we we sure there'd be a there'd be a there'd be an air you would want to get into an air fight over taiwan against the j10s with your f-35s the problem is you know can you get them into the fight and not only that let's talk about refueling

i mean you're talking about mainland china right there wait we're moving ahead of ourselves here's the let me ask you one question do you think that china because of the war in ukraine do you think china is less likely more likely or as likely to i think it doesn't affect their decision at all no okay i don't fine i don't agree i'm with we got it well let me tap it off really quick i'm with you i think it makes them less likely to invade but i also agree that they don't really have a lot of incentive to go to war right now but yeah Chinese but what I'm concerned with is what I don't agree with is that that it's a zero-sum game that if if Russia loses we win or vice versa I think there are situations where we could both win kind of like I don't disagree with that um like I I see the the Grand Republic of China the Russian Federation in the United States all working together defend the

to the world basically the red white and blue together um but it so i think that the russian like the united states took libya and it took iraq now the the russians are trying to take eastern ukraine then the chinese are going to want to take taiwan let's just call it after that yeah the russians kind of took syria you know the chinese have taken the south china sea yeah so like we can we can talk about we can talk about the soviet union afghanistan we can talk about the geneva conventions come on man war is war and war doesn't stop because it's like hey everyone we're going to call it right here at some point we shouldn't have technically even occupied or or uh annexed hawaii based on the on the argument yeah i think a lot of the the crazy aggressive conquest that we're seeing as a result of the united states taking libya and

iraq personally so let's move on. But that is overly simplistic. Libya and Iraq, it all extends well before this. I mean, this stuff's been going on for hundreds of years. What are we talking about with Libya? The U.S. moved in there with Global Osprey Solutions, Sidney Blumenthal and Hillary, and then they just set up shop. They killed Gaddafi and took it, basically. We're going to go to arms manufacturing.

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but I want to be clear. I'm not sure, Matt, are you able to stick around for the members? I've got to travel all the way back to Washington and get this budget sorted out. Yeah, no, do your thing, man. I just want to make sure we're not telling everybody you'll be here

if you do have to run back to... I think I've got to run. No problemo, man. I've got a country to run, man. I know, I know. I've got nothing to do. As fun as this bed. Let's read some Superchats while we're not telling everybody you'll be here if you do have to run back to i think i gotta run no problemo man got a country to run man i know i know i got nothing as fun as this bet as ben let's read some super chats while we're here maybe we'll get some questions for you okay rj mcdougalheim says winner winner chicken dinner that's right you had the first super chat and then asks will matt promise to let the government shut down with a laughing emoji no my goal is to get single subject spending bills to pass them to cut spending secure

the border and and bank some wins for our people so if you sign some of those their situation where only some of the government shuts down yeah you can have a partial shutdown we've had those before right on well let's uh let's grab some more raymond g stanley jr says mr gates excellent speech one year after mccarthy played you all to get himself the speaker seat he proved himself untrustworthy will you please kick mccarthy to the curb and take over house speaker well i uh have no interest in being house speaker i also would never be elected because i don't have a the requisite followers at all but i i could tell you that uh mccarthy must either come into compliance with the deal he made in january he must do so very quickly, or there will be a motion to vacate.

And a lot of that is spending. And some of it is like, I want to vote on federal term limits. I want to vote on a federal balanced budget, even though I know that those things are going to fail. And then he promised to release the January 6 tapes and has not done that. And I want to see that occurs. Why the resolution that was found in the bathroom? I'll try to be more careful in the future so is that yours or what oh we had a few drafts that uh were in a folder and i don't believe it was an accident i'm i'm so sorry you

can't buy into my temporary journalist finds the resolution to boot McCarthy. And we all, we, we, we all smiled that day for why Kevin hasn't released the tapes, J six tapes. Is that just because people behind the scenes have been like, Hey, Kevin, you better not do it. Or is it just as purview or what what's going on? Well, I think he believes he fulfilled that commitment by allowing Tucker Carlson and a few other journalists access to a terminal to make a few clips and leave. but that's a very different promise than the one that he made and we want to draw him into compliance and then uh what's a vote to kick him out look like well here's the thing i mean if if we had about you

know 20 30 however many republicans that thought he should go then his fate would hang in the hands of the democrats and if i filed a motion to vacate it would immediately be subject to a motion to table my motion and democrats could all choose to vote present on that and then mccarthy would prevail the motion of a kate would be tabled and he would be working for the democrats at their whim and at their will do you think we should have him on the show do you think he'd be interested in coming on i think you should absolutely invite him let's uh read this steve jones says why on earth would matt gates want to fund dhs to keep using taxpayer dollars to fund the persecution of conservatives by the fbi blm fema you've got to be kidding please justify why we should support that well my first justification would be that the

fbi doesn't reside within dhs uh the second would be dh is Customs and Border Patrol. It's also ICE. Those are actually two entities that are in DHS. And I'm for those, actually. And I don't want our Border Patrol to not be funded. Now, the reason I want a single subject review of the DHS bill is that you can go in there and excise the entities like CISA and others that are involved in the censorship industrial complex. Adrian Horta-Martinez says, Tim, my pocket will allow another super chat until next month's check. Sorry. Locals here in Montgomery are tired of Greg Abbott doing nothing. Some are saying they want to go to the border themselves.

They feel our leaders are spitting on them. People are beginning to snap. Yeah, there's that story of the guy. I think it was Arizona. The illegal immigrants were going on his property and then he was defending his property i don't know exactly what the details were but he he's allegedly shot and killed a guy got arrested for it people are starting to are getting worried about what's going on with the immigration crisis i get i mean i look i don't support that but i get it i mean i get they're they're seeing people come across and they're seeing their their elected government officials that they pay taxes for doing nothing. 800 soldiers? Is that meant to be a joke?

Is that meant to be an F you to us? It sounds like it. It's a virtue signal to try to pacify a lot of these liberal politicians that are now enduring the consequences of becoming a sanctuary i think a week a day of crisis is like a week of of peaceful living or months of peaceful living what you go through when you're in a crisis in one day is like people if they're not there and they don't aren't thinking about it then it's like oh well in three days we'll get the bill passed and then maybe next week we'll send some the people on the ground are like it's like telling someone who's in a burning building let me get a resolution passed send the fire department down and they're like no just send the fire department down. And they're like, no, just send the fire department down.

You're like, well, we got to have a bill. We'll discuss it. And maybe it won't get out of hand. Well, let me be straight with you. There's no way to secure the border if we don't control the White House and the administration. You can pass any law you want. We got enough damn laws on the books.

With the laws we have now, you could secure that border and you can do whatever you want. They ignore the law. Or they'll write some new memo clarifying or interpreting, and then that will have the force of law. So it is necessary but not sufficient to ensure that you have the right statutes in place. But right now it's a matter of willpower. And this administration wants to will these people into the country, and they don't want any barrier. That one gamer says someone should propose a bill that has banned the ATF and turn the buildings into liquor stores.

Herrera, Texas 23. Let's go, Brandon. Greetings from Los Angeles, California. I have a bill to abolish the ATF. I think there's no function of the ATF that cannot be done by the federal marshals or frankly, a lot of state law enforcement. And you want to talk about some of the most vicious and cruel enforcement done by an agency that cannot even fulfill its

own basic mission. I mean, the ATF had their own gun locker robbed. The ATF may, right? No way. Yes. And they had a circumstance where they were keeping over a quarter of a million records illegally that they were maintaining in a database. So it's not a well-run agency and should be subject to some of the, I think, strictest review. And where did Let's Go Brandon go? Can we bring that back? Yeah.

So, well, Brandon Herrera in Texas, they're saying it. He's running for Congress. Great guy running against Tony Gonzalez. Brandon Herrera is a fine American. So people are saying Let's Go Brandon in a positive way for Brandon Herrera. So it's come back, I guess. I missed that nuance. Yeah, it's come back and now they're excited for Brandon Herrera. So it's come back, I guess. I missed that nuance. Yeah, it's come back and now they're excited for Brandon.

He's the AK guy and he's running against a Republican who voted for red flag laws. And if you want to talk about one of the most insidious features of what Republicans have allowed, it's this kind of tattle on your neighbor red flag law structure.

Yeah, Brandon would be fantastic. Plus he's building the AK-50. And I asked him, I was like, is it going to be fully automatic? fully automatic and he's like well i don't know if you want something like that like okay but yeah it probably will be so you know 50 bmg ak47 full auto build out without a patent well he's they've got all the licenses and all that stuff so yeah yeah yeah so they're they're they're building it it's an impractical device. It's ridiculous. There's a player on the Lakers whose initials are AK and his number is AR.

But they won't use the AR. His number is 15, so they won't use the AR-15. Oh, wow. Austin Reeves. Yeah. Oh, we'll see. That was Anthony Richardson

was number 15 at the University of Florida and he was AR-15. I asked the Lakers announcer. He was a buddy of mine. I was like, could you do the AR-15? He's like, no way can I call it AR-15. Especially because it's Austin Reeves, by the way. He's like the least AR-15 guy.

But Andrew Karolenko was AK-47. They called him that. All right. We got Eli McInnes says, can you please ask Congressman Gates about the Eglin UAP he was briefed on and his presence at the UAP hearing in the HOC? It's my birthday. Come on, man. Spin the UFO, Crossland.

So can you talk about the UAP stuff or is it classified or what? Well, what I can tell you is that I've seen things that there is no U.S. capability aligned to and we are unaware of any foreign capability that's aligned to we had a circumstance at eglon air force base where during a test mission our pilots encountered four aircraft that were in formation there were not supposed to be any aircraft there because it had been cleared out for this particular weapons test so someone went to go check it out and they were amazingly able to click a photo of it even though as they got close to it all of the radar systems all of the um the whole dash just went absolutely out and but he got this this one

photo on on one of his flare lenses i saw it i have been pushing to get it out and uh the hope is that we can get a subpoena to get some of these witnesses in to give them immunity because right now you got a lot of folks with information that want to come forward but they're deeply concerned that if they provide it that they could be subjected to different types of retaliation and so if you get people kind of a friendly subpoena, it can immunize them to come forward. I think it's likely just black operations military. I mean, I would say that, but I have been on the committee that oversees DARPA for seven years. I have a pretty clear understanding of the stuff we're doing and the stuff we're not.

So what do you say? I think they're lying to you. I mean, I don't know if the chinese have developed a new technology that they're utilizing out of cuba that ended up over the gulf that that we were not aware of i don't know if we've got some programs that maybe are not you know fully briefed to congress yeah i think it might be talking plasma are you familiar with it it's when they take lasers and they triangulate into a point in the sky where they hit all these lasers at once they create a ball of plasma that they can move around on radar looks like a craft and uh they can project sound through it but dude it's shutting shutting down radar and other electronic systems yeah when you would get close to it this thing was metallic and also where i saw the heat signatures did not make a lot of sense from a

propulsion state it could it could but it also could be uh it could be it could be laser vapor it could be uh could be private sector right yep usually those private sector uh things that that were joint ventured on we have some understanding and they don't breach your airspace during your military tests right make sure you guys go deep on talking plasma because if there's a false flag alien invasion they'll use that stuff to trick people hearing things you're just you're you're basically just making reference to Project Bluebeam. What's that? Zielinski?

Zielinski, do the false flag alien operation? Alien false flag, I hear, is going to be the big one. It's going to be an alien false flag. But now that we're talking about it, maybe it won't be. But what you're discussing is probably particularly rudimentary. Just to have general lasers. Military.com, I think it is, talks about talking plasma. I mean, you could theoretically create holograms using multiple different lasers to craft an image

when the lasers intersect it makes an appearance of something in the sky and what they'll do is and you can move it at the speed of light by shifting lasers around it's just it's just it's vegas light magic and they'll do that with actual drones high-tech drones that we probably don't have access to and they'll do both and people be like but i saw a craft but on radar there's no way it could have moved like that and you're like well it's because it's light i don't know why radar would pick up the light though huh could have been that uh because that sounds that sounds actually like the most plausible thing i've ever heard so this wasn't something that was moving at a high rate of speed and so uh those those capabilities were not reflected in in the image i saw it was this was more metallic

orable orb which makes sense if it's a ball of plasma would look like an orb did it move not like an actual jettison craft but like something like how's it on hold on talking hovering talking plasma or any kind of laser uh projection doesn't have to move it can be still and it can zip around and stop and start because you're disappear and reappear somewhere it's a laser pointer all it is is when you point the laser pointer at the wall that's that's that's effectively one dimensional. It's a point. If you take several different lasers

where they intersect, the point will be visible in three dimensional space and you just move the lasers around. They do this in Vegas when you go watch light shows. The guy will have the laser in his hand and he's spinning it.

It looks like he's flipping a laser around. That makes a lot of sense. If you could pulse it off and on fast enough in different locations, you could make it look like it's moving. No, you could literally just move the lasers. Yeah, but if you can make it disappear and reapp fast enough in different locations you could make it look like it's moving like no you could literally just move the lasers yeah but you if you can make it disappear and reappear really quick too it'll it'll it'll give the illusion of movement but it could give really weird um i still just think that the the occam's razor simple solution is the manhattan project

was a secret you know project not no one really knew what was going on very few people did what we're likely experiencing is black operations or private sector military technology and i'm willing to believe they don't brief congress on these things you get you get the surface level stuff and then what about it you was that matt would know about it i mean even if i didn't know about it when i saw the image and then ran it through the catalog of the stuff we do and it didn't match anything. Right. You know, I wonder what kind of metamaterials they're working on. Cermat, lightweight drone craft that can go underwater and out into deep space in one jaunt.

It's, you know, we are absolutely moving to the time where the worst are going to be fought by our space robots against their space robots, all kind of directed by AI. And once you can kind of overlay that with quantum, you're able to get a lot more output out of that. Yeah. I want to take a bunch of drones as military industrial complex future 2.0, where we build billion drones. We onboard AI on all these drones. We let them fly around our pilots and target us as if they're shooting, but they just have AI on there. And then after we get done with the sortie battle, we can look at the AI. It will tell us how we could have done it better. And it can train us how to fight drone swarms.

And then eventually we'll use laser locking. The problem is on some of the tests that we do, they don't always listen. You give it an objective where certain targets are worth certain points. We had a matter where the Air Force sent out some drones, and there was a malfunction, so the test wasn't going to work, so it recalled all the drones, and not all of them came back because they said, no, I have to go earn these points. Let's read this one.

We got Terrence Max says, I was a public affairs officer for the Canadians' Ukrainian training mission in the UK. The lies I had to tell about how well the training was going was brutal. Those poor guys don't stand a chance with five weeks of training. And that's a sad reality, man. We've all seen those videos of the U.S. trying to train the people in Iraq, and they can't do jumping jacks. Or they're not called jumping jacks.

They're called something else. Well, we're great at training people in Africa. We've trained all the recent coup leaders. Oh, wow. They're doing pretty well. Yeah, yeah. So if you look at the last, like, nine coups in Africa, all of them have had people involved that we've trained so is the wagner group yeah yeah i mean

you know it's it's unfortunately a part of great power competition in africa now the wagner is in a different state of affairs these days than it used to be it's sort of been resorbed into the russian military icu says i'm a disabled veteran will this shutdown make me lose my house how much do i have to give for this country well i think that would depend on the circumstances of the house and how you're paying for it but yeah i mean there will be there will be disruptions uh throughout the enterprise of government if you are reliant on government for anything whether it's your benefits or getting the mail, there will be some impact. Now, social security and VA benefits are deemed essential. And so it's not that we are giving up on those things, but there are ancillary effects to any shutdown. That's why I'm not a cheerleader for shutdowns. I think that's nihilist. I think that's really not going to make quality of life better for the people who are my bosses.

I agree. And I would also say this. If your position is, yeah, let's get funding for disabled veterans and everything they need. We'll get the single subject bill right now done today. If it is the rest of Congress that rejects that because they want the omnibus, they're the ones blocking the single bill that gets the person what they need. And the good news is the first single subject bill that we did pass was military construction and VA benefits. So if we were to go into a shutdown on October 1st, there is a device for the Senate to pick up. And even if the Senate didn't have all of our views on how VA ought to be administered, we could go and conference and negotiate that issue.

Unfortunately, Chuck Schumer's mentality is it's all or nothing on everything because that's what centralizes power most. What's the point of getting power in leadership positions if you can't use them to centralize power help your friends and hurt your enemies yeah weber j says how does china buying land in other countries work in war they can say no no our land can't plant here maybe i'm stupid but i don't get how that works well cash mostly i mean there are more chinese with like the equivalent of two million dollars american cash liquidity than there are total Canadians. Wow. And when you tell them that there's stuff you can buy and is yours forever, it is a very appealing prospect.

Yeah, in China, they lease it. Right. You can't own stuff. You can't own land in China. You just can participate in a leasehold interest. So you start telling people with that kind of liquidity that stuff can be yours forever. And they have become major real estate investors. Now, I don't think you should be able to pollute the skies in Shanghai and then buy

the penthouses in Manhattan. I don't think we should allow the ill-gotten gains through devaluation of currency, through terrible environmental practices to result in literally getting the great American asset class. Even more insidious than that is they loan money to these countries and they say at massive interest rates, knowing they're going to default, and part of the contract is

if you default on this airport you're building, we're going to own the airport and the land around it. Yep. And by the way, if they show up with with you know suitcases full of cash and hookers on the front end those bribes work and a lot of these leaders they take those deals are leaving and so so that's like the how the great power competition is

working russia's value proposition is regime preservation they say like if you're in trouble maduro or assad like we can bring muscle and keep you in power the chinese say we'll give you upfront cash now to be able to gore you later and And what we say is we'd like to know more about your pride month policy. All right, everybody, if you haven't already, would you kindly smash that like button, subscribe to this channel and share the show with your friends if you really do like it. But more importantly, head over to TimCast.com, click join us. We're going to have a members only uncensored show coming up in a few minutes, and we will actually take your calls as members of Timcast. You will join our Discord server and get to hang out with like-minded individuals. They host a before show, a pre-show.

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