Timcast IRL - Timcast IRL #868 BOYCOTT After Ad Firms DROP RUMBLE For Defending Russell Brandw/Andy Ngo & Patriot J

Episode Date: September 26, 2023

Tim, Hannah Claire, & Serge join Andy Ngo & Patriot J to discuss Burger King & HelloFresh pulling ads from Rumble over Rumble refusing to censor Russell Brand, Canada giving a standing ovation to a Nazi, new reports showing the US is funding Ukrainian businesses, & the Washington Post panicking after its own poll shows Trump winning 2024. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

It would appear that a move is being made right now to suppress or even get Rumble banned. At the beginning is that advertisers are pulling off of Rumble because Rumble refuses to shut down Russell Brand. Now, most of you are aware if you if you track the show over the past week, UK Parliament actually sent letters to various social media networks and television networks, effectively demanding that Russell Russell Brand's deals be yanked or his content get pulled. Now we are seeing big brands like Burger King and HelloFresh pull their ads off of Rumble, sparking calls for another boycott. And I got to be honest, I've been boycotting Burger King for a long time.

And it's not political. It's just that their food is trash. So, you know, there's that. We got a bunch of other stories, too. I mean, the crazy news is that U.S. Abrams tanks have arrived in Ukraine. Oh, boy. And now a report from CBS News shows that the U.S. taxpayer is footing the bill for Ukrainian small businesses. That's right. We're not just funding the war. We're funding the lives of your everyday Ukrainian. Hey, man, I like Ukraine, I like Ukrainian people, but I don't know why our tax got tax dollars are going to paying for their

businesses that makes no sense well this might make sense I guess in that context Canadian Parliament cheered and clapped for an actual Nazi yeah and now they're saying they're all embarrassed but this is how depraved their cult zealotry and support of Ukraine has become to the point where they will give a standing ovation to a Nazi because he's Ukrainian. That's nuts. We'll talk about that. Plus, Washington Post is quite concerned their own poll shows

Donald Trump beating Joe Biden by 10 points. Oops. They're saying, no, no, no, please, it's just an outlier. Despite the fact that Trump is leading in aggregate across the board in all these different polls. Yeah. We'll get into all that before we get started. My friends head over to Timcast dot com.

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potentially call into the show and talk to us and our guests. So go to TimCast.com, sign up. Don't forget to also smash that like button, subscribe to this channel, share the show with your friends. Joining us tonight to talk about this and a whole lot more, we got Patriot Jay. What up, man? Thank you for having me. Absolutely. Who are you? What do you do? Man, I'm a part-time rap artist, criminal defense attorney in Los Angeles, political political reporter for breitbart i do a little bit of everything here and there right on well thanks for hanging out it's gonna be fun we also got andy no he's in town hi tim thanks for having

me back absolutely who are you what do you do i am a journalist a senior editor at the post millennial i'm probably most uh well known for my reporting on Antifa. Right on. And recently there was something happened. We'll talk about this too. A member of the Democratic Party sent a terroristic threat to shut down one of your events or something like that. Yeah. So I'm in the US on this trip because on Friday, September 22nd, I was invited to speak by the Common Sense Society in Richmond, Virginia, an event put on by the Virginia Council. And it took the third venue for me to actually speak. The first one was the Commonwealth Club, which is a gentleman's club.

And they gave in to a council campaign by the extremists far left. A gentleman's club? Yes, that's right. Like a strip club? No. Like a social club, right? Sorry, I forgot. That's the American colloquialism.

Social club for men. Oh, okay. So they canceled. Shame on them. And then the second was the Marriott Hotel in Richmond. And on the day of, they canceled. And all it took for the Mooney Cave was just for these agitators to call in. They put out the script with all these lies saying that I was a neo-Nazi,

this was a neo-Nazi event, and armed Nazis was coming, and Marriott Corporate canceled. And fortunately, we were able to speak at a community center in the end, and there were about 200 people who came, and there were a lot of attempts to shut it down. And there was a person who's a leader in the official Democrat Party group in Richmond, Jimmy Lee Jarvis, who posted a picture on social media saying that he was going to the Andy Ngo event

and the picture was of an individual holding up a box of dynamite. Wow. Well, we'll talk about that and a whole lot more. So thanks for hanging out, man. Glad to see that you're okay and the event went off somehow. But we got Hannah Clare hanging out as well.

Hey, I'm Hannah Clare Brimlow. I'm a writer for timcast.com. I'm so excited to be here with this West Coast contingent. Serge is here too, finally. Yes, I am back. Thanks, Carter, and thanks, Kellen, for taking care of this while I was out. I'm excited to meet you guys both.

Let's get started, Tim. All right, here's the first story from the New York Post. Burger King faces boycott after yanking ads from Rumble over Russell Brand accusations. There's so much crammed into this headline. Russell Brand accusations, Rumble defends crammed into this headline. Russell Brand accusations. Rumble defends it. Burger King boycotts. Man, that's like each of those things are big stories

just piled on top of each other. They say, though, Burger King hasn't publicly stated why it recently removed its adverts on the popular site. Just as other brands like ASOS and HelloFresh recently did, social media users have questioned the timing of the move, which came just one week after Brand came under fire. The Whopper House has since been bashed for pulling its ads from the self-proclaimed free speech platform

before Brand has actually been convicted. Burger King has pulled its ad for Mumble because the free speech platform refuses to place judge, jury, and executioner of Russell Brand after the UK governor demanded the platform demonetize him. UK governor? Who's that? Is that a reference to somebody? I'm not familiar with that position in the UK governor demanded the platform demonetize him. UK governor? Who's that? Is that a reference to somebody?

I'm not familiar with that position in the UK. I know it was a UK member of parliament, right? Yeah, I think that's probably a typo. It was a member of parliament. Yeah, member of parliament sent a letter out to all these different networks. Reminder, Brandt has not been convicted of a single crime. Boycott Burger King. They hate free speech and due process, and their food is poison.

Anyways, stop eating it. I just want to pause and say, if you've been eating Burger King. They hate free speech and due process and their food is poison. Anyways, stop eating it. I just want to pause and say, if you've been eating Burger King for any reason, please don't. I think Burger King is just awful, but that's just my opinion. I mean, I'm not going to besmirch the good name of Burger King, I guess. Is this Charlie Kirk saying it's poison? I wonder what the legalities on that calling it poison are. I think that's like, I don't know if you can say that, but I guess it's poison. I wonder what the legalities on that, calling it poison are. I think that's like, I don't know if you can say that, but I guess it's an opinion statement.

I think Burger King is unhealthy. And I think it would be very funny if Burger King started suing people for claiming their food is bad for you because it is bad for you. You know, their onion rings? I don't even know what their onion rings are. I gotta be honest.

I think their onion rings are potatoes. No, for real. Have you ever had Burger King onion rings? Like like years ago i'm pretty sure it's i well in my opinion it does not take it's not an onion like it's some kind of mashed something or other they cut into a ring yeah just not good anyway yeah here we go this is the next story we have from the guardian firms pull ads from rumble platform over russell brand videos so it's burger king asos and hello fresh have removed these ads and now we're getting people calling for a boycott of these companies and this is uh in a public statement posted on x rumble called the letter disturbing because the government came out so basically this is where

we're at i think what we're seeing here is actually a move to begin to remove rumble in this story from the sun they say i'm an online expert russell brand's refuge platform rumble may be forced offline under new internet safety laws rumble may go the uh parlor route what do you guys think i mean i think russell brand is obviously being treated completely unfairly uh you know he doesn't even have a way to defend himself from these allegations because nothing has been filed in a court of law. So other than Rumble's support,

Rumble's saying basically, you don't need to leave our platform. He doesn't have a lot of recourse here. And that's a bizarre position to put in. I mean, what is he going to do? Well, the question is, well, are they targeting Rumble? Are they going to go after Rumble and try to get Rumble taken down?

Advertisers pulling off the entirety of the platform because Russell Brand is on it? How does that make sense? I think we need to figure out some sort of way for people to just fund these websites. I'm sure they're, I'm not familiar with Rumble, but I'm sure that they have subscriptions or things like that. But we really need to get back to users funding this because the advertisers have so much power. True, but the advertisers on platforms like YouTube gave birth to the influencer ecosphere. It's a whole generation of media that's really disruptive.

I mean, as much as podcasts and alternative news, really, it's the influencer web that drives these things, which for the most part is predominantly funded by advertisers it seems unfair that you know people looking to have an alternative to youtube would not be able to participate in standard retail advertising dollars i mean not that you should buy everything in influencer sales on the other hand uh they're in addition to unpersoning russell brand there's an attempt to unplatform rumble itself i buy a lot of stuff off Instagram. Basically, if Instagram shows it to me, I'm buying it.

Because they're ripping through my private data, and the algorithms know you better than you know yourself. Right. And so then you get this ad for, I don't know, this UFO thing. I got an ad on Instagram for it, and I was like, I must buy this. And so I did. And then they added that shop feature to make it easier. Creepy. We really need to commend Rumble

for not giving in to the pressure campaigns that they're probably feeling from every direction right now. YouTube should be condemned, I think, in the strongest terms for demonetizing Russell Brand based on accusations in the media where he has really

no recourse or ability to respond other than through the media space. And the BBC has been pressured into removing old content that features Brand, so he's losing royalties from there. With that said, I do want to caveat that I think for all the people that came out, have come out immediately in defense of Mr. Brand, I'm just concerned that the backlash against Believe All Women is becoming now the flip side of Believe No Women. And I actually think that the Sunday Times investigation was very thorough. And I think the allegations are credible. With that said, though,

they are anonymous and they're placed entirely in the space of a media pr battle not uh through a civil lawsuit and no charges have been filed in the criminal space so for a man now um who's having his entire career unravel in a matter of hours it's this is a it's a deep injustice and it feels i yeah i i don't find them credible i i don't no i mean first i'll defer to you i mean uh i've only have i only i've only read the articles about them right but my issue is if russell brand has a relationship with someone and then i should not even russell brand if a man and a woman have a relationship and they argue with each other and they fight, you can say that, you know, 20 years later, oh, look, here's, here's text messages showing them fighting him saying, will you apologize? I know I acted poorly last night.

And the, the assumptions you can make based off of, of a 20 year old story. So there's, there's a text message between Russell and this woman. The reason why I view this stuff as, I don't know, not worthy of news in my opinion is for one, the media absolutely loved everything he was doing all that time ago. People change, whatever. If the argument is he shouldn't do this, well, he's not doing it now. Okay. So it's been 20 years. The issue I have is, let's say you, Andy Andy got into a fight with someone and you texted them saying it was really inappropriate what you did last night. I demand an apology. I can't believe you would do that to me. And what happened? He stiffed you on a bill at a bar. And then it says like, look, when I tell

you, this is how it's going down. You can't, you can't do this to me. I am furious. And as I'm so sorry, I'm so sorry. And then later 20 years, you're like, oh, that text, uh, that was rape. And it's like, no, no, no, no like no no wait hold on that text was about something totally different it's 20 years later what do you do the problem i have with these accusations 20 years on is that you can take a legitimate relationship and then just say 20 years later oh that was not consensual what how do you even prove that i'm not i'm not saying like there are challenges in the law but the weirdest thing about how the law is handled today is that when it comes to murder, there are cold cases where there's a person who's been suspected of the murder. And we're like, what do we do?

And then people are like, I don't know. I think he might be the murderer, but we really don't know. But then when it comes to issues like this, it's like destroy his life entirely because of anonymous accusations. There's the police are just now opening investigation. So I suppose my point is it is almost impossible for accusations this this far, this this old to be credible. I don't know what you do to make them credible. That being said, they there can be new evidence. I'm sure things can emerge was like a video Russell made of himself where he's like, I can't believe that I actually did that to those women last night. It's true, blah, blah, blah. And it's

from 20 years ago. And you're like, oh, wow, there's evidence. Evidence exists. For the time being, they've only just started an investigation. So it's like, sure, man, I wouldn't, I wouldn't, I wouldn't, I wouldn't call it credible. And actually I would, I would, at this point, I agree with you when you say it shouldn't be believe no women. It's true. But we're talking about believe all women is supposed to be a woman goes to the police the next day or maybe within a week. And, you know, she's traumatized. She doesn't have to do. And then she makes an accusation.

We say, OK, we will believe we will operate under the assumption the accusation is true and correct and investigate. It's not supposed to be that 20 years later, someone comes out to the to the news and the press and says, oh, that famous celebrity. Yeah. He did a bad thing to me. And then advertisers pull ads off a platform because he's on that platform. None of this makes sense. Why would the UK government try to get Russell brand band? That makes no sense. That makes the claims. It strikes at their credibility outright. Like for sure. you can make the argument that the the member of parliament was just exploiting a crisis situation for political gain but it just i just

don't see it um well i think the actions of these third parties who are now politicians, activist groups, online activists, I think these type of actions, as well as other individuals who have placed pressure to try to destroy the career of Russell Brand. You know, I've been through a criminal trial where I was a witness who testified and made allegations in a criminal matter before. And that process, I think, has helped me understand potentially why some victims don't go forward. The process of being cross-examined and gaslit and reliving over and over a really traumatic experience, it really destroys you. And that then kind of opened my eyes to why I kind of understand why some women, for the first time, it made me understand perhaps why some people don't immediately go to law enforcement. However, that doesn't mean that I support them that decades later, years later, then they go anonymously to the press. Yeah, I got to be honest, I don't care. I don't play to this emotional argument of, oh, it's so hard and it's so emotional. You know, it was very difficult for people to do this. They say, oh, victims have a hard time.

That sucks. Sorry. Have a nice day. The justice system is not supposed to be your feelings are hurt. So we're going to destroy a man's life over it. The justice system is, yes, we recognize there are hardships. We want to seek the best outcomes for justice. That means if there is a guy who is abusing women in large numbers, then definitely we're going to try and solve for that problem. However, if you as the victim

are unable to provide evidence and testimony in a meaningful matter and with in a time appropriate manner, then that's it. The legal system is not supposed to be bent because some people have hurt feelings. I will. I do not accept that. I mean, that's the UK. I can't speak for London. I can say for the United States, I absolutely reject the idea that we would have to put someone's freedom and liberty at risk to protect the feelings of another person because, oh, they felt bad. Sorry. You need to have evidence. It needs to be proven beyond a reasonable doubt. And what we're seeing now is in line with so many other BS moments throughout the past couple of decades or a decade or so where people have been falsely accused.

And Julian Assange, a great example. The media lied about everything. They use it to destroy his life. They didn't they didn't just fire him. They locked him up and they have him locked up to this day, despite the fact we know the accusations that were made were completely untrue. So when you get a Jeffrey Epstein who gets away with it and it gets protection from the media and the press, and then later it's like, whoops, all of that was true. Forgive me if I don't believe you when you go after a Julian Assange

and you're ignoring the people on your side and you're targeting the people who are not on your side. All I see right here is when multiple agencies pull off a rumble, that Occam's razor suggests a coordinated effort to do so. When Alex Jones got banned, I think it was, was it 2018 or was it 2019? 2018. 2018. All the networks did it at the same time. There's an argument to be made that they were just waiting for, you know, one, you know, Twitter is like, as soon as any other company makes a move, we'll do it too.

Or you likely have a scenario where there was some political agenda. In the instance of Alex Jones, we don't know definitively, but in the instance of Russell Brand, we know for a fact, the UK government solicited networks and platforms to remove Russell brand. So why are these ads now being pulled from Rumble? Likely because the same people in the UK government are now targeting anybody who's sponsoring Rumble. I don't think it's as simple as to say a couple activists called Burger King and said, oh, you know, you guys are running ads on Rumble. Now it's more like a national security letter gets sent out saying you will do this now or else or maybe they don't need it maybe a member of parliament contacts your your head of legal office with a shakedown letter and burke king's like

listen we do not need rumble 44 million users it's not worth a permitting headache with the uk uk government we're generating hundreds of millions of dollars out of the UK. Let's just let it go. I don't know. Is Burger King in the UK? They're in the UK, right? I don't think they make that much money. But that's my point. If right now it's come to the point where you have four women who, for whatever reason,

did not come out with these allegations, and it's now 20 plus years later, 10 or 20 years later, I'm just like, prove it. That's all that matters, right? You need proof. Do you have a take as a criminal defense attorney? Yeah, I mean, Tim's right. You need proof. You have to meet a certain burden of proof. It's really hard to believe women 20 years after the fact. So these situations do occur. I would encourage individuals who are victims to report it as soon as possible rather than waiting decades down the line and you notice it always happens when they're in the

spotlight for something or when they're leaning on the right side because none of these allegations were ever brought when russell brand was like a darling of the corporate media he was totally fine nobody said anything now he's more independent now you see them trying to come after him. And it just seems very coordinated. They didn't say anything when he married Katy Perry. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Why does the media care? How come the media did not care about Epstein? In fact, they covered up for him, but they care so much about Russell Brand. I don't buy it. Not for one second. They all of a sudden care about Russell Brand. They all of a sudden need to have the ads pulled. They all of a sudden are about Russell Brand. They all of a sudden need to have the ads pulled. They all of a sudden are realizing his shows have to get pulled off the BBC channel for

and YouTube or whatever. What? I don't buy it. Sorry. Have a nice day at Epstein. They knew Epstein had been charged. And I think it was like in the 2000s. They knew what he was doing.

He got a sweetheart deal and was let go. So so where was the media on this one? Now you can argue that Epstein was blackmailing powerful individuals. Okay. Where was the media? Because this expose and Russell brand is the Sunday times it's channel four. All of a sudden, one day, somebody at these networks, they're just like, you know, I'm really concerned about Russell brand. I'm going to go dig around for 20 year old accusations. What? Someone started.

You don't understand this. Someone started. Some journalist decided to start soliciting past relationships of Russell Brand to and asked about issues of impropriety. Why? No, I mean, for a look, if he was doing these things, that's bad for sure. But it's a weird thing for the media to immediately want to pick up, especially when it's coming from corporate narrative establishment government media sources, quite literally.

So it seems weird. And he's in an impossible position because there's nothing going on in court, right? So he could file, let's say, a defamation suit, maybe against these anonymous people. But then he is adding to this narrative that he is the aggressor right he's going after these theoretical victims who aren't even being named and therefore he's trying to get lots of money like there's no good look for him in this scenario i get what you're saying i think i think i agree i think it is complicated for a lot of people to decide to go through the trial process i don't think cross-examination is easy uh but the fact that this was solicited from a reporter is so

strange yeah i mean what what me too i think has done is it's an it's giving an excuse it's in many ways actually discourage victims to um to speak out whenever when they want and to who they want like the media rather than to law enforcement i think law enforcement in reporting is so key for victims to get justice when you i mean you wait so many years and statutes limitations pass your memories is blurry evidence is lost and destroyed it's just yeah the me too has been more about i think um giving space for people to tell these stories where they can actually never be falsifiable and that's you know there's and in that case you can never even wait for due process to play out i see a lot of people responding like centers response on social media we should uh withdraw

withhold judgment and wait for just uh this process to play out but there is no process lot of people responding like center's response on social media we should uh withdraw withhold judgment and wait for just uh this process to play out but there is no process playing out so it's um you know so right i have criticisms on you know going so many directions here i reject all of the uh accusations and allegations against russell brand uh right i mean it's it's it's a pattern in but one of them went to a rape crisis center yeah at the time and and considering the political state of this country considering the actions being taken against them considering the motivations of the press sure but i won't give the benefit of the doubt sorry not happening it's just there there's there it's there are so many bad

people and criminals who are getting away with everything that what we end up seeing is law enforcement choose to go after certain people when it benefits them politically. That's the nature of the West today. So when I see 20-year-old accusations, it's Brett Kavanaugh all over again. Sorry, don't care at all. You want to investigate, you want to prove it, by all means, please do so. You prove it in a court? Fine. I get it.

But now, does anyone actually even believe these courts? You got Donald Trump and that story of that woman in New York that he went to that department store. Carol E. Jean. Yeah, right. What was the department store? Bergdorf Goodman's, right? Yeah, Bergdorf Goodman's.

And it's the busiest place with the most famous man, arguably, in the city. Nobody saw him. He owns the hotel next door city nobody owns the hotel next door he owns no nobody noticed donald trump with no security going to the second floor i think it was and and then and then a new york jury finds donald trump accountable liable for for this this assault or something sexual assault yeah that's insane that's insane so by so sure fine still don't care i don't care i think the silver line station of it is just so so thick and so intense i'm giving no one the benefit of the doubt i think the silver lining from the russell brand

story is that people who care about free speech and due process are actually standing up and they're boycotting these companies who are pulling uh pulling funds from rumble advertising i think it's really good to see the conservative boycotts that have been happening all year uh it finally feels like we're trying to make our voices heard yeah yeah see the issue is every single time something happens or i shouldn't say every single time but typically there have been major political moments over the past several years and you get get conservatives, libertarians, and post-liberals all trying to do the reasonable thing. Okay, like you said, oh, we'll hear this one out. And what happens?

Bunk. Turns out to be nonsense. I remember when George Floyd, the George Floyd video came out. And we all were like, yeah, that video's bad. Like, that should not have gone down that way. And then you get the body camera footage and learn a lot more about what was really happening. And now you're like, okay, so it's tragic, but it's a bit different than the way they put it. The original video of George Floyd is a guy being, he's on the ground and they're kneeling on his neck and he dies.

And it's like, whoa. Then you learn the dude was chewing a speedball behind the wheel of a car. The police brought him out. Floyd demanded, begged and screamed to get me out of a car. The police brought him out. Floyd demanded, begged and screamed to get me out of the car and put me on the ground. He had a cocktail of drugs in his system. Still, he should have been given proper medical treatment, you know, but it's nowhere near what actually went down. Ahmaud Arbery is the most egregious. The people who I know, conservatives who still don't know the real story of what happened with Ahmaud Arbery and the McMichaels. And we've had people on this show come on and be like, well, the Ahmaud Arbery thing, that was justice.

I'm like, are you kidding? Did you even watch that? I'm sick of this. Russell Brand in the corporate press and in the movies is celebrated. Oh, this woman went to the police. I'm glad she did. If there's evidence that comes out, so be it. Then Russell Brand should go to prison if it's true.

Not police, the rape crisis center. Okay, okay well then i don't believe it sorry i like you need evidence to to convict somebody you know there's a lot of things people can do and there's a lot of fake things people do but my point ultimately we we have spent all of our time giving the benefit of doubt to so many different people who are evil at this this point, I'm just like, you know, I don't know, maybe it was 20 years ago. You prove it. We have a story. If not, I think it's it's being used to target rumble. It's being used to stop Russell Brand from producing high profile, high trafficked anti-establishment media. And and and they're pushing a conspiracy theory that the only reason russell brand actually opposes the establishment is because he was

trying to build a base to protect him from accusations against them it's it's psychotic total bs sorry not i'm not buying it anyway i think we've uh that horse is has been beaten to death and we're continuing to beat it but we'll jump to this story because I want to show you the depravity of the establishment. It's from NBC News. Standing ovation for a Ukrainian who fought with Nazis sparks anger and an apology in Canada. I'd like to slow down for you all and just rephrase that headline, NBC News. Uh-oh. How about Canadians give standing ovation to Nazi?

Does that work for you guys? There you go. Yaroslav Hanka 98 was recognized by lawmakers shortly after Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky addressed the Canadian parliament. Why are they celebrating a Nazi? This was very hard for me to understand. They said that they brought him there because he was a Ukrainian and Canadian hero. Canadian hero? Because he's living in Canada, so he has, you know, residency there.

But then very quickly said, oh, we actually forgot to do a background check and look him up. Which, if you compare this to the State of the Union, anytime they're like, and tonight with us is Andy Ngo, a journalist, like, someone has vetted this person. Surely that's why they are. They didn't just walk into the chamber and happen to take a seat, right? Like, and tonight with us is Andy Ngo, a journalist. Like, someone has vetted this person, surely. That's why they are, they didn't just walk into the chamber and happen to take a seat, right? Like, the idea that this person was not researched beforehand either shows that the entire Canadian government needs to consider restaffing or that they were aware of this but didn't understand the implications of. No, they don't care. I think Canada does care. I think they are just not aware of any sort of form of history. I think they are does care i think they are just uh not aware of

any sort of form of history i think they are nazis you think all of canada's nazis no i think i think the people like trudeau they they they are nazis they they learn to to masquerade and shield their eugenicist racist policies and cheer for nazis so the big irony here is that the Speaker of the House of Commons in the Canadian Parliament, so he's with the Liberal Party, that's Trudeau's party, invited him, and the Nazi war veteran. And apparently all they had to hear was that he served on a unit that fought the USSR but didn't ask whether, well, fighting against them on behalf of who?

Well, fighting on behalf of the Nazis. It was an SS unit. And I guess people should remember that just a year and a half ago, January 2022, when the Canadian convoy protests were happening, the Liberal government, Trudeau, condemned them and said that they were using Nazi symbolism and Nazi imagery and racism and here they are um now um prime minister trudeau next to president selinsky and the entire parliament giving a stand up standing ovation to not just an accused nazi or somebody who's accused of being far right but an actual nazi veteran yeah he was a uh he served in the 14th waffen grenadier division of the SS, a Nazi military unit whose crimes against humanity during the Holocaust are well documented. Well, there you go, Canada. I think they have no understanding of history.

Right. Right. Now, Russia is the big enemy. And so anyone who fought against Russia seems good, but they have very little understanding of actual World War II history. So they don't understand that. What do they do? I'm not willing to rule out that they do, but I just think a lot of it is someone said, oh, this would be a great viral moment where we stand up for this. And they had no idea because they're just not well-versed.

Okay. Well, you know, I'm not going to give them the benefit of the doubt here. Let's, we'll do this. Okay. So they're in Canada. What can I say? It's Canadian, right? Well, let's talk about here in the united states is the political uh what what political faction is aligned with the uh with the canadian government united states right

it's progressives right i'm not trying it's not a trick question in the united states trudeau is would be a progressive he would be aligned with the left and leftists to a great degree. Okay. Are leftists anti-Semitic? Yes. That's not a question. You look at Black Lives Matter and their support, or I should say many of these prominent celebrities who supported Black Lives Matter and also support Farrakhan and the things he said, unsurprising. You look at the article from from tablet magazine about when they went to the women's march the the organizers and we're pushing anti-semitic conspiracy theories unsurprising i just got to be honest i would not be surprised if eugenicist anti-semites who share political views happen to cheer for a nazi i mean is that surprising anybody no no you're like okay so they're

eugenicists they want racial segregation they uh like what what more are we supposed to argue here that they use a different word for whatever it is there okay fine i don't care call them whatever you want they're the same thing it's so funny to me that in a society where everything is racist or anti-semitic everybody uh can get accused of this except for people who are aligned with supporting ukraine including the actual soldiers themselves oh yeah i mean you know russia goes the other direction they try and claim that everything happening is denazification and i'm like that's stupid too like russia is not invading ukraine because there's nazis there because they want access to crimea but you know russia is now clipping this thing of Zelensky being there plotting the actual affiliated Nazi

and being like, see, we told you we're here for denazification. It's also, this story has also become a big scandal in Poland because that particular unit that that elderly man was part of was involved in a lot of, a slaughtering of a lot of Poles.

Yep. But they didn't know. They didn't vet him. It's an accident. That's the stupidest lie I've ever heard. I just get like, how could you even pass that off? I mean, it's ridiculous.

I can't say whether or not they're all anti-Semitic and eugenicists, but they're definitely stupid. Well, as I often say, it's the banality of evil or it's malicious evil. How many of them are actually maliciously anti-Semitic eugenicists?

Probably few, but they're smart enough to get a bunch of morons to clap and cheer for a nazi so all you need to understand about how stupid these people and how dangerous they are is that they don't know or care who they are clapping and cheering for it's like when joe biden said trinidad ishabita pressure and the crowd goes yay and they're all clapping and cheering and you're like this is crazy Joe Biden goes on stage and says Batacalf care and everyone's just clapping and cheering they don't know what he said they just know they're supposed to clap and so they did

it's frustrating to me that often quite educated people are so they're very good at recognizing propaganda from russia and good for them for that and calling it out but the propaganda that is coming out from ukraine it's like they just there's no scrutiny of any of it and there's so much propaganda this whole you know there's one turning a blind eye to the contemporary connections to nazi organizing in ukraine that's completely now no longer an issue to liberals around the world um and then ukraine now being

reframed as this uh bastion of liberal and progressive values when it's that's not the reality of what the what that country is, nor their society. No, I think it's all political theater. I think so much of this is just people not willing to question Ukraine in any instance at all. And so you can't call it any propaganda because you're not allowed to doubt Ukraine's motives in anything. You're not even allowed to have any kind of doubt. You're supposed to submit entirely to supporting Ukraine and never question any of it. I mean, look how much money we have shipped over to Ukraine.

Why? Because we're just supposed to. And those who do speak out are then smeared as somehow fans of Russia or fans of Putin. I mean, yeah, the smear tactics just causes people to become fearful. And I think so much of it is just a lack of understanding of geopolitical history right they have no idea what the ties are you know they don't know what happened in crimea that there's they don't know what to say they just know right now it's good to have your blue and yellow flag out and to agree with whatever biden says and therefore whatever zelinski says yes they want a simple story of villains and heroes

who's a good guy good guy and who's a bad guy. And then it leads them to do stupid mistakes. I think it was a genuine mistake like what happened in the Canadian parliament. Oh, a Ukrainian World War II hero veteran. Great. Let's invite him. You know? They stop looking.

Yeah. And I think that's also a testament to the shortened attention span. I mean, I assume whoever vetted him is fairly young, working in a staff position for this elected official. And they think, oh, yeah, I read most of that headline and I know what I'm talking about. I don't think it matters. I don't think it matters at all that whether it's a mistake or not. That's just it's at this point in the culture war, in this point in the war with with with Russia and Eastern Europe. All that matters is what they do if we sit around saying like well you know that was a mistake every single time they scream and cheer for nazis it's like okay you're gonna be you're gonna be giving the benefit of the doubt as to them the

entire way it's like we're sitting in a car with these people and they're driving full speed pedal to the metal foot to the floor right towards a cliff and we're like well but hold on a minute they're probably gonna turn right they're not gonna drive off the cliff they wouldn't do that and then every single time it's so at this point i'm just like i don't care what what they thought they were doing this is what they do it's who they are that's it so all i got all i can say is yes canadian parliament gave a standing ovation to a nazi yeah but as i said i don't care why they did it they did it. They did it. Ukrainians have become so good at playing the West like a fiddle.

Like, you know, one of their spokespersons now is this transgender American. Not anymore, though. Oh, that changed? I think they got rid of that person because of the trans spokesperson threatened to kill anyone, you know, or something like that. Was that what happened? I can look it up, but I'm not sure. There was like a video where. OK, well, either was or until very recently, this transgender American spokesperson for Ukrainian military who doesn't even speak Ukrainian.

Obviously, that's, you know, playing to the sentiments of the left in the United States. And then Ukraine's a colony of the United States. And then when Zelensky went to the UN giving a speech and talking about climate change. Oh, right. But listen, Ukraine is a colony of the United States. And then when Zelensky went to the UN giving a speech and talking about climate change. Oh, right. But listen, Ukraine is a colony of the United States. That's why an American English speaking leftist is the one talking about what's going on. It doesn't matter who is in Ukraine. NATO and the West don't care.

And when you learn that the US has been funding the businesses and everything in Ukraine, might as well consider Ukraine a colony of the United States. Just call it. I don't care for this wordplay that we have in modern politics, right? Where it's just like, well, you know, oh, not really. We don't call it that. Are we at war with Russia? Yes. In all form and function. But is it declared? When was the last time the U.S. declared a war against anybody? We just go and do it. So you've got U.S. citizens volunteering with U.S. weapons, with U.S. training, with U.S. backed artillery and intelligence. And it's like, but it's Ukraine that's at war.

Yeah, Russia doesn't think so, because practically it's the stupidest thing I've ever heard. And this is where we're currently at. Well, let me pull up this story here from uh the new york times first abrams tanks arrive in ukraine zelensky says u.s officials said that an initial batch of 31 m1 abrams tanks promised to ukraine by the biden administration have been delivered months ahead of estimates and it's not just that it's also this 60 minutes reported just the other day it was discovered that the u.s is financing more than weapons in ukraine the government is buying seeds fertilizer for

farmers paying the salaries of 57 000 first responders and subsidizing small businesses i call that a colony yeah that's it ukraine is a colony of the united states oh just wait i'll count down until i get the russell brand treatment because i think i think the war machine is the bigger reason why they're going after russell brand people think it's it's big pharma i disagree and it's when look i mean 60 minutes reports this so maybe they'll go after who who does it scott pelly is that who's doing 60 minutes i think so yeah maybe they'll go after him. He's going to get accused. That'll be hilarious. But the United States, your tax dollars are not going to fight a war in Russia. Your tax dollars are propping up small businesses in Ukraine. Now, ask yourself, why is CBS News reporting this?

Ukraine is a colony of the United States, which means we pay for their public, their civilian public infrastructure, first responders. It means we subsidize their small businesses and it means we cover the cost of defense. That's it. That's an American colony as far as I'm concerned. Or call it NATO, whatever you want. But the U.S. U.S. is what's what's paying for all this. I'm surprised that this is actually being reported because I'm sure this has had been going on for the entire time we've been sending them money we've sent them i think 113 billion dollars there's no way people genuinely thought that was all going to a war effort yeah i mean it's funny how they support small businesses when they're in ukraine but on the u.s you know that's that's that's the point i mean the u.s is in decay we've got crime running rampant but geez geez. That's frustrating, isn't it?

I mean, and now we're supposed to go to the polls, right? I mean, we were saying people just become crazy during election years, but how could you not when you know that you suffered after everything that happened during COVID, the economic turmoil that small businesses, small communities felt because of this to know that this is how Joe Biden decided to spend your tax dollars. It can't feel like anything but a slap in the face. Worse than that. So how many people lost their businesses? How many people had to shut down their stores and get a job at Walmart? And then you find out that all of your

hard work and the money they took from you is propping up a small business in Ukraine. That's more than a slap in the face. That's sedition i mean that that is that is uh i you know you can argue it's not really treason because treason has specific parameters but it is something for the government to take money and resources from americans and and and who are suffering and their businesses are shutting down and send all of that over to ukraine for what it's a complete lack of loyalty to the american people of any part of the country. It's an occupation of the American people and an extraction of their resources to fund other countries. Yeah.

It's like mercantilism in the reverse. We're just giving to the colony. Or we have an occupying political force in the United States that's extracting as much as possible before it implodes. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, this is one of the reasons that I'd love to see a Democratic presidential debate because I'd love to see Joe Biden,

number one, have to talk publicly at all, but also have to answer questions about things like this because so far, as long as the Democratic Party can keep it in the background and, you know,

certain fractions of the media will talk about it, certain people will talk about it, but ultimately the average voter should know, should see the dollar amount of what is being sent abroad and where it is going because it's not the story of just we're helping poor ukraine that's being bullied by russia there is a much bigger cost and ultimately the biden administration is

going to pretend that that's not happening for as long as possible as will the democratic party as a whole i think the republicans need to talk about this in the debate stage as well because i'm not convinced that if another republican not named donald trump gets in there they're gonna stop funding i think it would just continue yeah i wouldn't be surprised i think uh if it's vivac you'll see the funding stop but nikki haley is the inverse she's screaming with blood spraying from her mouth that she wants to blot children in foreign countries i despise that woman by the way these people are all warmongers they can't give a rational reasonable justification for what for what they do what they want what they're funding they just lie i think was it nikki haley who lied and said that uh putin said poland's next or something like that yeah i think

she was part of that during the during the the lesser known republican debate something like that and this and then and you've got anti-war left and right being like what is wrong with these people their their their brains are not right there is something wrong you want to make an argument for intervention in war you can make the argument you can talk about russia aligning with china the u.s is trying to defend Ukraine and stop Russia from gaining more resources in Eastern Europe and expanding their economic stranglehold in the region as they team up with Russia.

It creates a very big threat to the U.S. trying to push back. I know all that stuff. I've heard all the arguments. But that's not the arguments they make. So long as they want to keep lying about what they're doing, then so be it. They deserve to lose. Yeah.

But will they actually? Lose? I mean, I mean they've lost that way that one report Adrian Norman wrote for Tim cast calm well it would and to be fair was it was um was Seymour Hersh I think it was a report from him that he's being with an intelligence official so Seymour Hersh reported an intelligence official said oh it's over Russia won what did Russia want they wanted the land bridge into Crimea they got it now? Now they defend it. That's it. So what are we doing there? Trying to stop them?

If the U.S.'s goal really here is to just strip Russia's access to Crimea and the Mediterranean, then it's basically just the U.S. declaring war on Russia. Yeah. There's no end in sight, which also aids the Biden administration because it continues to send money over.

I mean, there is nothing in this for the American people. And so I don't understand why we continue it. It costs them every single day. And Russia already has its main objective. It doesn't seem like a productive war. But we're going to be there for as long as the Democrat is in office and probably a lot of Republicans, too. A productive war. Yeah.

I think the last one that we were in yeah so many productive wars in history but again like at a certain point i mean the u.s and the eu could say we're going to broker a deal isn't this what donald trump said he said day one i'm going to stop this war that would be the first thing i did the war would stop exactly where it is exactly what and russia would say okay why is no one else doing that right like why do we have to stop this war that would be the first thing i did the war would stop exactly where it is exactly and russia would say okay why is no one else doing that right like why do we have to keep doing this i'm asking such deep questions tonight on timcast irl i'm stunning all of our guests i mean do you guys know anyone who's like yes this is a great idea let us continue to send

money to ukraine not at all no well i think among democrats it's still quite a popular position and certainly in in uh in the eu and in uk that remains a really popular position but why what what is their objective other than we just don't like russia well there's this whole apparatus in the media that does put out the the propaganda talking points from ukraine uh about this being more than just a war between two nations it's a war between good and evil and it it's it's i mean it's it's packaged in a way that's simple for the masses and it works there's a good side and a bad side. And it's popular among Democrats in the U.S. and liberal voters in Canada and liberal people in Europe. But is it enough to outweigh

the economic hardship that people in the U.S. are facing? I mean, we were just talking about gas prices in L.A. are crazy. If you heard this is your cost of living, but also we're still going to continue to fund this war abroad, it would be impossible, at least in my opinion, for anyone who's reasonable to say that's a good use of our tax dollars. I appreciate this. I think it's just a lot of people aren't really paying attention to it. They just think it's something that's going on and that that we're kind of supporting it. And it's the current thing. But people, when you present the facts to them, when you say, hey, actually, all this money is going here,

they would say, yeah, easily, we should stop funding. But nobody's really presenting it to them, so they're not seeing the alternative. Well, it's a nuanced issue, and it's difficult, I think, for the masses to comprehend and to come up with an informed position. It's similar to the problems that arise from immigration. You know, we know what it does on the labor market, what it does, how it makes housing crisis worse.

But people, by and large, in urban areas don't really push back on the policies of sanctuary cities or U.S. immigration policy. In fact, in these areas, they're the loudest in saying, you know, well, have them come in. They want their cake and to eat it too. And they don't realize that the balancing the books actually in the end doesn't really work. You're going to suffer one way or the other.

And I, yeah, you know, I mean, this is really the responsibility of the press to present the truth on these issues to the public but they the establishment legacy media fails in that because they're captured could you think the legacy media would ever go back to having a standard for truth or do you think it's a lost lost cause uh the journalism programs at the the universities that lead to people going into New York Times and Washington Post and other places. It's all, I mean, these programs have long been captured. I don't,

I don't really know how you can at this point do much. So what's the future of legacy media in your opinion? Gosh. I don't know. What I would like to see happen is independent and conservative media having more support from philanthropists, for one. It's really hard to get independent media well-funded. Writers need to be paid. Reporters need salaries,

and it's a lot of work, it's a lot of money to get that type of stuff going. And we just have to build up these different institutions, I guess. I mean, it's a cliche, what I'm saying, but really it's so important. And I think what causes a lot of

conservative or independent media to go under is ultimately it's just the funding's not there. People want to get their news for free. Everyone hates going to a news link and then you have to log in or you have to pay or something. But that or the experience is filled with a whole bunch of ads and that's not pleasant either. Unless you rumble and then there's no Burger King ads and the left has more than enough patrons so they will get funding from powerful prominent individuals who want to prop up the system they'll pay millions of dollars to websites that can't make a penny and osoros has funded media as well of course of course and then on the right you just got the people who want to contribute sign up and join and pay what

they can that's about it but i think there's been enough stress on the system and more and more people are waking up and starting to join these subscription programs and make contributions and i think the independent media space is becoming better at providing real incentives and real value to their members and their customers. Yeah. I was at Black Dog Coffee nearby on Friday and someone came up to me and, you know, I've only been on the show for a little while, so it doesn't happen all the time. But he was like, hey, I love the work that you guys do. And I was like, oh, gosh, thanks so much. He's like, yeah, where else am I supposed to get my news? Which I found really interesting. It's telling people rely on alternative media in a way that even a decade ago they couldn't have. And sort of like the sphere of influencer

marketing, it's something no one could have predicted because it's a break from the traditional model built on technology that didn't exist 20 years ago. Yeah. Well, let's jump to the story from Tim guest dot com. Washington Post downplays its own poll that shows Trump beating Biden by 10 points. The poll found 56% of Americans disapproving of Biden. Take a look at this. I'll just jump right to five 38. The last two polls we have from ABC news and the Washington post show Trump is up 10 points and nine points. I love this because if you even go back to last week, you do it. Biden does have a poll right here against Trump. He's up two, but you've got Trump up three in this one, up five,

up three. It looks like, and what do we have? One of them's big. One of them's got like 6,000 morning council. No, these are older ones. Yeah, I guess they must change this a lot. Talking about this earlier, you've got this one from Septemberember september 15th 2500 people trump's up one point let's go back here 3 000 registered voters harris x trump is up five yeah so they did change this from what i was reading earlier but uh you can see basically when it's not trump when it's yunkin desantis when it's haley uh actually haley beats joe biden while surprising but you can see that trump's winning that's it we did not have this in the 2020 cycle so if it would stand to reason if the election were held today joe biden loses but how's he doing in the in the crucial states though um uh i don't know that's a good question i can say that this poll also found among independents trump is up i think like 11

so that matters independent voters matters for the swing states, but the swing states themselves. It's a more important question individually. I think Trump just needs to win. What does he need? Like Arizona, Georgia and Wisconsin or something? Yeah, good luck. Because that's not even a question of sentiments and a question. It's a question of procedure.

Trump's going to need to overcome massive procedural biases against him with these states i'm not surprised that these poll numbers everybody that i talked to they would take trump over biden any day but i am surprised that the washington post actually released it and that kind of gives me a little bit concerned because maybe they might start putting these out to kind of put the narrative in that oh the democrats need to need to replace Joe Biden because everybody's been talking about he'll eventually be replaced, but we don't know how it's going to come. I don't see him just stepping down.

So they might try to take him out with some sort of scandal, or maybe they just start highlighting actual polls and say, actually, Biden's not doing too good. We got to get somebody out of there. I think you're totally right. I think a lot of it is the Washington Post acknowledging that at least

within their internal structure, there is, they are questioning Joe Biden. And this comes right. It coincides with the date that they set for the DeSantis Newsom debate. Right. So that's November 30th. Now, we know that there are people who would like to see a DeSantis Newsom 2024 race. That's what they ultimately want. I think that there is no clear way i mean we've talked about it a fair amount on the show there's no clear way for them to just swap out biden for newsom it would be sort of a dramatic uh production but there is enough bifurcation within the party that they they don't know that they actually want to see biden there uh there's another poll that came out today i think the company called harris, that found, you know, among voters, Biden is ahead, but Kennedy is consistently

gaining ground. Robert F. Kennedy Jr. is consistently gaining ground. People are interested in him. And then there is a huge portion of voters, even among registered Democrats, you know, 16 percent at least, that say that they would want someone else. They aren't happy with, you know 16 at least that say that they would want someone else they aren't happy with you know marion williamson uh rfk jr or biden but they also don't know who would be there i mean you get you see that there is sort of a a rumbling to see if if maybe someone else would would step up i don't know it's crazy i mean rfk jr has initially came out i think around five percent and he's consistently climbed he i'm seeing him pull consistently well he's 12 16 yeah and i think uh they've just lost control of the machine right there's nothing they can't do anything about it

if biden was the best they could muster the screwed yeah but they don't have a clear way to handle getting rid of him and i think i've always thought it was that biden himself wants to stay for as long as possible why would he want to step down he's i in my opinion obviously in ill health uh and so that's why you would get his press secretary saying oh well he's still considering what to do even when biden had made statements saying no i intend to run again uh this went on for a long time. It was sort of strange. And then he sort of rolled out this video campaign discreetly. He announced via video that he was going to run for a second term.

I think it wouldn't be the case if they really felt he was in a strong position in terms of his policies and his health. I think that they would celebrate him as the incumbent if they really believed in him and the Democratic Party doesn't. Yeah. But it's becoming more and more obvious every day. i feel like there's eventually going to be a point like tim's talked about how if newsom comes and saves uh biden passing out on stage or something like that there's going to be a point where that's going to happen it's just going to take like a couple a couple more polls that are indicating the right that you know for us i guess you could say something we would like seeing trump ahead of him just a couple more i think we're like right there i think we're seeing a repeat of um uh who am i thinking of uh the

supreme court justice who everyone wanted to step down and then she didn't um oh uh bader ginsburg yes thank you uh when ruth bader ginsburg was was they were trying to time it so that a democrat could appoint her and there were a lot of people said she stayed too long and then ultimately uh died when donald trump was in office and that was such a disaster. I think in some ways Biden is going to do the same thing, which is he really should step down. And he said, you know, all sorts of things when he was running. He made it overtures as if he would be a one term president. But he was really sort of here to defeat Donald Trump. And obviously now you go for everything else. He doesn't want to give up his seat or at least the powers that have

kept him in his seat don't want him to go i think trump wins 2024 yeah easily i mean i don't know about easily i think there's gonna be a lot of crazy that happens but i just think narratively trump's gonna win who do you think is uh it's elon musk elon musk's adage right the most entertaining outcome tends to be is it what elon's razor or did someone else come up with that that's someone else's quote isn't it the most entertaining outcome tends to be, is it Elon's razor? Or did someone else come up with that? That's someone else's quote, isn't it? The most entertaining outcome tends to be the- I thought it was Elon Musk, but maybe he's just passed it off well.

I just can't imagine a world in which we don't get another term of Donald Trump. I just don't know. But like all the pieces lined up on the chessboard, Biden? I mean, to be fair, a Biden presidency is also comical. You know what I mean? Like at this point in his life, seeing like the president wheeled out to the podium in

a wheelchair with a burlap, like a little blanket on his lap. And he's like, and you're like, you know, spicy. It's a comical, but costly. I don't know that we could actually do it. Who do you think vice the vice president be? Who do you think Trump's going to pick as a vice president? I feel like his vice president is actually going to pick as a vice president? I don't know. Because I feel like his vice president is actually going to be sort of important.

I mean, given everything that's going on. Yeah. You guys really think that a Republican can win in 2024, given how the electoral process has changed since COVID? Yes. I mean, those changes are still- Trump only lost by 42,000 votes in 2020. Yes, but in my opinion, the way elections are run in many states, it systematically disadvantages Republicans.

Of course it does. But Trump only lost by 42,000 votes. The advantage Democrats had with universal mail-in voting was everyone was locked inside their homes and they couldn't leave. They don't have that advantage anymore. So they'll need something. But we've had other elections since November 2020, and it hasn't really turned out that well for Republicans. Because Republicans are only just now starting to wake up to the issue. And again, we're talking about an electoral system where Trump lost by 42,000 votes in three states, which could easily be made up, versus individual members of Congress in key districts, where we were like, wow, we're surprised they did not do better. Well, yeah, I mean, in Lauren Boebert's district, she came really close to losing.

My favorite thing about that is as soon as she pulled that slightly, her opponent, I think Frisch was his name, was like, no, no, no recount, no recount. Like, what do you mean? No, no, let's let's go through every single ballot, a fine tooth comb. I think the issue is universal mail in voting did play a role. It does benefit Democrats, but demographic shift because of COVID benefits Democrats. But the issue really comes down to do Democrats have the same edge the first time around? Is Joe Biden building confidence? And we're talking about one man

at a national level and not individual members of Congress because what we did see is that you you're likely you were likely to get and this happened in 2018 as well if you were a democrat but moderate you got elected there were 31 moderate democrats that were like we don't want to fight with trump we want to focus on health care your wages things like that for you guys you know unions we want to work for you guys and so they voted for these dudes that moderate message works people care more about kitchen table issues than they do about anything else now the issue is with trump okay at the local level you know that you can vote for a democrat you know the guy he's got a much you know it's it's a smaller uh constituency and maybe you talk to him and you trust him but you've known that four years of biden has been really really bad so you're like you might you'll probably get a lot of independence they're going

to be like yeah maybe vote for a libertarian democrat or some middle position but then vote for donald trump for president because that's the practical solution so yes can donald trump win yeah he only lost by 42 000 votes yeah how could he not win like that's that that's that that's probably like a million bucks in spending on ads they could have done to get trump those those ballots yeah and i think in 2020 trump was kind of looked at as the villain uh amongst democrats and even now uh going into 2024 he's kind of fondly missed people miss the days of trump and they're not so angry at him because they didn't have to deal with him every day for four years i don't think it's going to be the same outcome as 2020. yeah i think there's also a lot of people that have watched the outcome of what their their choice was in the ballot box and have seen what the result of

there's been there's people in interviews all the time saying i voted for button last time i'm not going to vote for him this time and they feel they're more like tim always says you say like people would crawl through broken glass to vote for trump i feel like they're on space yeah exactly yeah but there are more people that are like that but i think there's a lot of people that are just you say that people would crawl through broken glass to vote for Trump. Trump's base. Yeah, exactly. But there are more and more people that are like that. But I think there's a lot of people that are just like, I ain't crawling over glass for anybody and I'm out. Yeah, yeah, yeah. People voted against Trump

and all that happened was things got worse. And now we're at war and they're probably just like... Do you think voter turnout will be particularly low in 2024? Sorry, I'm stuttering today. I don't know. What was it last time around? I thought it was going to be really high in 2020. I not sure i didn't think it was high it was high among young

people that's largely because of mail-in voting right i think i think it was the uh it was super high yeah i thought it was going to be super high and then uh what do we have here voter turnout in 2020 i mean it's hard it's hard to say because population growth yeah oh wait no look at this voter oh this is percentage of voter turnout this is amazing in uh let's say 1800 voter turnout was seven percent no wait what u.s presidential election popular vote totals is a percentage of the total u.s population wow that is insane yeah that's yo in in 1912 voter turnout was under 20 percent it was 18 percent 17 percent it looks like yes 17 percent no wait 16 percent wow yeah i'm impressed and that's turned out over total population though 16 percent of the u.s population population voted for the voted in the presidential election in 1912

so today we got 50 percent it's not bad man you look at even during the civil war nobody was voting nobody cared that's crazy i mean, a lot less people could have voted, too. Percentage wise? Well, I'm just saying voting was restricted. So I wonder, like, what the turnout is amongst registered voters. Right. It doubles. Women love going out to do things.

Oh, no. That looks like it's about it. Like, just shy of 20 percent, suffrage happens. And it's just shy of 40 percent. So it looks like it's about it. Just shy of 20%, suffrage happens, and it's just shy of 40%, so it looks like it's slightly more than doubled. And now, since then, it's gone slightly, it's been trending upwards.

This only goes to 2016, by the way, but I'm pretty sure 2020 was the biggest. I've heard that before as well. Yeah, people are like, 81 million votes for Biden, that didn't happen. I mean, they were mailing out ballots to people's homes. Right. So it wasn't turnout. It was voter participation.

Yeah. We'll see what happens. I think it'll go down in 2024, actually. I'm curious. Based on that. In California, do you see lots of political signage already? I know in parts of West Virginia, the Trump signs went up in 2016 and have stayed the whole time.

Do you see pro-Biden signs? What are you seeing on the ground where you live i can probably say that i've never seen a pro-biden sign um even after biden won some of my neighbors still had their trump flags up the trump flags and signs were going up for a while you know kind of kind of in protest. But I see F Biden shirts or let's go. Brandon was a lot. There's nobody who's really motivated for Biden just from what I've seen. Yeah. What was the let's go, Brandon stuff that blew up?

There was like a whole second wave of not even technically pro Trump, but just anti Biden. I tweeted about this the other day um it's still kind of an anti-trump sentiment i was pulling into a parking lot and i see a guy he's got a sticker on the back of his car says trump 2024 my window was down so i was almost gonna say yo like i see you bro but i get closer it's trump 20 to 24 years in prison. He faked you out. I wish you. I know.

I don't like that guy. I find that interesting because I've always lived in more liberal leaning areas where if you like any kind of conservative or libertarian, you tend to keep it to yourself. But every once in a while you'll be somewhere and you'll see there's one house on the block that is like, I don't care. I'm putting up my political signs and they're typically 45 pro-trump signs there's this one house that i pass in the area that'll have this flag of like trump standing over eagles and like you know he's like just like a caricature but there are there's no equivalent for joe biden there is maybe vote joe biden because you like the democrats but there's not this same sort of belief in his capabilities, in my opinion.

I think that's just because people voted for Joe Biden because they wanted to get Trump out. He was he was the anti-Trump guy. They weren't necessarily so gung ho about Biden. They just didn't like Trump that much that they would vote for Biden to get Trump out. So they're not incentivized to wave the Biden flags or buy some Biden merch in the same way that pro-Trump voters were. They're definitely not super fans. They're not like the Trump base, that's for sure. Right.

Even like I remember there was a lot of Obama merch back in the day. He had mad hype. Hillary Clinton, she had a bunch of stuff. I'm with her. I see her H's all everywhere. Yeah. But, I mean, Joe Biden's just never captured that attention any of the times he's run for president. No, no way. If you live in a neighborhood where people feel safe and comfortable to put up political signage of different diverse views, consider yourself quite fortunate.

Coming from Portland, Oregon, if you expressed any type of dissenting views, your property would be highly likely subjected to violence or potentially even serious violence like arson or such. Let me pull up the story real quick. Just put a pin in that. We have this from the Post Millennial. Leader in Richmond Democrat Party group posted bomb threat against Andy Ngo, Virginia Talk. The post included an image of dynamite with Jarvis writing the description box on my way to the Andy Ngo event. So you've experienced this stuff, I think everyone knows, directly covering the extremism. Do you want to elaborate on what you're talking about?

Well, you know, because the left has cultural dominance and they face no censure, no social consequences for expressing radical and hateful extremist beliefs. They just, they're able to push it further and further to the point where you can have somebody who's, I mean, we're not talking about somebody who's in black block Antifa type of groups. This is somebody who's in a leadership role. And then in the Richmond city democratic committee,

which is the official party, Democrat party group in Richmond, Virginia, feeling confident and fine to put this type of posts publicly. And going back to what I was just saying a moment ago, those leftists who feel empowered to go and destroy people's properties because they're expressing a different political view so you know my my heart is warm just to hear claire just talk briefly about you know the different type of political science that she's seen in places she lives don't take that for granted if you're an american who lives in one of those places consider yourself lucky because there are places like portland seattle obviously different boroughs of new york where you you are potentially put yourself and your

family at risk for expressing a mainstream political view. Well, and they had that guy whose biker neighbor went and lit his Trump sign on fire. I mean, there are places that people do feel entitled to. Well, they weren't neighbors, though. I just meant that he biked in the area. I think it's interesting. One of the things that you're saying reminds me of in your book, you talked about how people, especially progressive groups, will travel to small towns and set up coffee shops or bookstores and sort of become very visible in that sense. And that becomes sort of how they begin to have influence and control areas so there are times that people are expressing their views because they're relying on the tolerance and the the community's ability to welcome them even if they don't agree with them and then they become sort of a destructive force in and of themselves oh yeah yeah we see this phenomenon all the time people who um who adhere to such in principle tolerance and then the other side gains power and that that uh is not reciprocated back onto them and they suffer as a result i mean conservatives experience that a lot right we want to welcome and protect all views of expression but then

you have those who are calling for an overturning of the entire system and a totalitarian system where people are subjected to violence potentially or deaths for their views and and i mean i'm not saying that's manifested in real life necessarily anywhere in the u.s but in there's certain pockets where those type of sentiments are salient to a population and they're able to cause so much violence and destruction on those around them and the victims just have no ability to counter. So I was speaking in Richmond because Richmond is a city that has experienced over the years a really radical cultural shift to the left. I think a lot of that has to do with the university there,

the Virginia Commonwealth University. They had months of riots in 2020 like Portland, and a lot of the same parallels between Portland and Virginia I documented and explored in the speech. You have so elected local officials, the mayor, those on city council condoning the riots, even going out to

some of those protests turned riots to participate and give them support. You have police whose ability to actually enforce the law is curtailed by the local politicians and then you have outside agitators coming in and without a lot of money and it just creates

i mean a lot of destabilization i think i think one of the questions one of the questions i was asked when i spoke uh on friday was like could this happen again? And I say, well, yes, obviously, because the networks that were strengthened and established in 2020 are not only still there, they're stronger now. And there might be a bit of protest and riot fatigue today, but just give it a bit of time and there'll be some other George Floyd-type moment that's caught on video

clipped, exploited and blasted on social media and it'll get people to the streets. Well 2024 is around the corner. It is about that time. 2020, BLM George Floyd election year 2024, this

next summer. But Richmond doesn't have any more monuments to pull down what are they gonna do it could be literally anywhere and the issue is the media lies so let's say um let's let's let's say something like this 2024 and there's like some dude working in his garage in the suburbs of i don't know somewhere let's say Youngstown, Ohio. He was in his garage. And then some dude sneaks into his garage and, say, grabs a power tool case, a couple hundred bucks, and then runs for it. And this guy's been known to the neighborhood.

So the dude calls the police. The guy's neighbor confronts the guy and grabs him and stops him, and they fight over the tool. And then the the dude who is stealing it you know falls down hits his head and dies the media will report that two white men approached a man who was walking down the street a black man and they mercilessly beat him to death and then you'll get your riots and then a month later the video will

be released from their ring security camera showing the guy robbing the house and it'll be just like ahmed arboree and they will find any story they can to create a racially charged atmosphere that will result in riots and then they'll use that to claim racism or whatever and then the people who are correctly calling out this story does not you know follow that line they'll say aha they're racist this prove it don't vote for republicans etc etc yeah did you guys see the story it was kind of inverse to that of course it didn't get coverage because the victim was white but i guess um these two black dudes pulled up to a basketball court and they got into a fight with the white guy black dude

hits the white guy and white guy falls on his head dies they went to trial uh beat an involuntary manslaughter charge and were only convicted of assault there you go it's ridiculous yeah i saw that yep what's gonna happen with 2024 is they don't need there to be an actual instance of like racism or violence the media will just make it up garage pull rope it's a noose well trump being a the republican nominee would just that would get people out on the streets. I mean, in 2016, 2015 and early 2016, that was such a powerful propaganda coup for Antifa because, you know, before their messaging, extremist messaging comes out through their pamphlets and texts and their blogs, which reaches a smaller audience with Trump being the nominee at that time. Then now they have the entire liberal media establishment saying the exact same talking points. America might elect a fascist. And then after the election, America did elect a fascist. Death camps are around the corner.

Mass deportations around the corners. I mean, this sounds crazy as I say it now, but look back on the opinion pieces and headlines that were published in the papers of record. Those were the type of sentiments that they were putting out. It brainwashed a lot of useful idiots on the left to go out and be much more accepting of political violence on their side. I don't know why or how this happened, but I feel like amongst my generation and the younger generations coming up political violence and vitriol is just so high and it really rubs me the wrong way to see that people aren't even accepting of just opposing beliefs it's either my way or the highway you're evil if you're evil i can go after you and hurt you because i am the good guy i want to i want to highlight this i i saw this from Jack Posobiec, but I just just verified the articles.

Here's an article from Slate, November 19th, 2015. Donald Trump is actually a moderate Republican. That's why he's winning. November 19th, 2015. And then on November 25th, 2015, Donald Trump is a fascist. Now, hold on. The original article, Donald Trump is a moderate, written by Jamel Bowie. And the second article, written by Jamel Bowie.

The same dude, a week later, he wrote Trump is a moderate, so why is he winning? Then he wrote Trump is a fascist. Why? They are evil. There is no legitimate reason why a sane person would say, I'm going to write an article calling Trump a moderate. And then a week later be like, I'm going to write an article. Oh no, I just discovered he's actually a

fascist. No, what happened was everybody was going after Trump. So this person probably thought, if I write that he's a moderate, I bet I get a ton of traffic from people who are going to be like, what do you mean? How? How? How? And then a week later, okay, been there, done that. I'm going to write Trump's of fascists and get a million more views welcome to the media yeah i think you're right it's it's it's part of the clickbait they

need you to be so shocked by the things they're saying and these points that they're putting out there uh i i find the hysteria around donald trump to be completely personality based i bet most people can't really distinguish anything about his political platforms. I should clarify, most people who are identifying as progressive journalists, they don't know the nuances of differences between Republicans. They just know that Trump does things they don't like, and they don't like him the most. And so therefore, whatever they have to say to make him the bad guy. It is weird. There are times when you'll see sort of more left-leaning outlets almost praise other Republicans to make Donald Trump look bad

when there's sort of no informed opinion other than they aren't Trump, so therefore whatever they're doing is okay. But this type of disinfo that causes hysteria and panic is so dangerous. I mean, when you ingrain into, let's say 50% of the population

that this Republican front runner is a fascist, then that label then is applied, obviously, to people who would vote for him and those who support for him. And then what do good moral people do against fascists? Well, we want to bash them. And it normalizes that type of acceptance of political violence.

I'm speaking, unfortunately, as somebody who's been a victim of the violence of Antifa because of these labels that have been applied to me. And then, I mean, with the event that I just spoke at in Richmond, the script that was going out to these different venues that canceled

and took the third venue for me to actually be able to speak, people would just call in and say things like you have a neo-nazi who's speaking there are armed neo-nazis who are coming this event goes forward people could actually die and people in corporate prs are just freak out they're like okay well they'll cancel it and that that's the danger i think of you know we we can laugh at this and look back and because i think we're all of us here at the stable are grounded. But there are actually so many people, even highly educated, perhaps it's theist and like dictator and all these type of terms as if it's like okay to just throw it around. Apparently now, you know, people just do that with like reckless abandon.

And it's like, you know, people who instill that into their beliefs, like actually take, take up weapons and like maim and like kill people on that belief that happened in Portland with a self-described anti-fung member who shot dead a Trump supporter because he really thought this guy was this white supremacist fascist, just murdered him in downtown. Yep. So you were saying before that you felt like the younger generations are sort of fueled by this

political divisiveness so they won't listen to other people and it it makes sense because they're completely surrounded by it uh there's no escape and there's no accuracy in reporting yeah that's true that's true i i always wonder if there is going to be a reckoning at which at what point you know we had uh i can't remember who it was maybe marjorie taylor green on a couple a year ago or so and uh someone who was at the table said oh i'd actually never listened to anything but random clips of you and hearing you talk it definitely changed my opinion or it gave me an insight uh and i i find this really interesting because i think there are so many people who aren't exposed to anyone, but other people who are similarly afraid of these labels of fascists and anyone who's brushed by these words are

obviously out to get them. And so there is a natural, it almost makes sense, resistance to it. You don't want to be affiliated with them. But if you're completely right, if the labels are misused, then their fear and their willingness to maybe react violently is based on inaccurate information during the trump years i would always try to reach out to the other aisle just because it was like uh it was it was a hot topic you know and i would always hear from people wow you're actually the first trump's reporter i've talked to which is crazy because how have you ignored

half of the country you you've just been so tight-knit in your bubble that you haven't even thought of you know what let me check out the other side i i used to be a democrat back in the day and then when i was uh coming of voting age i said to myself i'm gonna make an informed decision i will check out both the right and the left and i just found that the right made more sense to me and i wish more people would do that what made you want to do that though because i think it is unusual. I think young people tend to be like, oh, this is how my family votes, this is how my friends vote. The thing that made me want to do that was intro to logic. I took that my first year in college

and I learned how to critically think. And this was also around the time where BLM first wave was popping off and I didn't like how they kind of wanted to make black people the victim so much. So that was rubbing me the wrong way. And then I took intro to logic and I didn't like how they kind of wanted to make black people the victim so much. So that was rubbing me the wrong way. And then I took intro to logic and I said, let me think objectively rather than subjectively. Let me go outside of my bubble. Let me see what's on both sides. And then the right made more sense for me.

Yeah, I think people don't want to be outside their bubble. I think, and conservatives are guilty of this too, that we shouldn't, you know, pretend otherwise. But some people just want to be told the way they see the world is completely correct. They want to have all their biases confirmed always. But I think that's what's really dividing the left and the right and the culture war is no longer politics. I think it's obvious to anybody who's been watching a show like this for a long time. It is simply, are you someone who is an independently minded person, or are you someone who is terrified of being shunned?

Democrats basically just march in lockstep with whatever acceptable opinion is, whatever popular thing currently is. And it changes and catches people off guard and they get yelled at and they apologize and they freak out. The reason why they'll get so irrationally angry at the idea of you defending Donald Trump is because they know, you know, you're right. When when they when the media lies about Donald Trump and then you say, know, you know, you're right. When, when they, when the media lies about Donald Trump and then you say, well, you know,

Trump never did that. They'll start yelling at you. Why are you defending him? Why? The reason they're getting angry is because they're like, Oh, I'm going to get ostracized. I will get targeted.

If you keep talking like this, I've got to show that I'm, I'm against him. I'm not one of you. Yeah. They kind of, it's like they realize what they've been doing for so long and they realize they can turn against him.

You know, it's like when, uh, was it, it david hogg said he was going to keep wearing masks even though they got rid of the mandates because he didn't want someone to think he was a republican yeah they are so terrified of being the out group so what happens is it doesn't matter if you're pro-life pro-choice it matters are you in the cult or not you can be in the cult and you can be someone like you know adam kensinger liz cheney or joe walsh they are obvious cult members it's the funniest thing to see democrats have a high approval rating for george w bush so long as you are part of the machine cult

the cathedral you know there you go do you guys think people on the right are um a bit too loose in in their accusations of their political opponents of being communists and socialists. Nope. You don't? Nope. Why? So there's, as we've been talking about this quite a bit over the past couple weeks, the banality of evil and malicious evil. Or, you know, as I go even further, say abject evil.

So how did the Nazis, how were they able to pull off what they pulled off? Where did we hear this? I think someone was talking about it here on the show, maybe, that there was a group of regular guys that were conscripted in World War II, and when they were, they became police officers, and when they were ordered to just start, you know, gunning down and rounding up the Jewish people for the concentration camps, without question, they just did as they were told. Michael Malice often says that there is a, I don't know, I can't say the exact quote, I'll paraphrase, but something to the effect of there is no crime so egregious that police would not carry it out if ordered to, up to and including the murder of children. would be the case if they were instructed to do so as we saw in lahaina when uh we have all these missing children and people are saying that they were in the cars trapped and the police were blocking the exit to lahaina so that people were trapped in the road and they were burning to death

and then some of these people jumped out of their cars and jumped into the water while the cops held the road closed because they don't care now did those officers wake up and decide that they were going to go murder a bunch of people? Of course not. They were stupid people who did not care for the responsibilities of their job, who were told, don't let anyone leave town. Not explicitly, but they said, shut this road down. And they went, you got it. And so while the fires were burning people to death, they were cops like, don't care. So when it comes to the accusations of the right on the left on the

right uh yeah from from the right about the left then uh that's what i meant by on the right they're making these accusations i don't think it's uh incorrect to say that they're communists did every single communist in the soviet union who supported the system or participate in it know that they were communists did they read literature on Marx, or are they just doing as they were told? They were just doing as they were told. It was the commonplace ignorance that led to these evil actions. So you have high-profile individuals like people in the Fulton County DA's office charging Donald Trump. They're evil. You have the people in New York City that are filing these lawsuits falsely accusing Trump of things, or trying to charge him on these BS charges. You've got the documents case against him. All of this is

complete garbage nonsense. You have the Democrats who in 2016 claimed falsely that Russia manipulated the election to help Donald Trump win and Trump was illegitimate. Then 2020 comes around. And when the opponents of Biden start saying similar things about fraud, they say, you're all crazy psychopaths, et cetera, et cetera. They are a combination of all things evil. Powerful interests at the top who say things like, can't we just drone this guy? In reference to Julian Assange in London, Hillary Clinton is evil. But then you have the blind, ignorant followers. So if you have high profile activists who raise hundreds of millions of dollars who

say that they are Marxists explicitly explicitly that's black lives matter and then you have people marching in the street throwing up the red salute in support of overt communism they're communists they don't have to sit there and and put their hand on the on the bible of uh of of marx das kapital and things like that they just need to be cogs in the machine that actively support the issue of communism. And then you have people breaking free from that saying, I don't want to be involved. And that's fine. They can. But for the time being, if BLM is coming out saying they're trained Marxists and then I

see videos of millennials and Gen Z doing the red salute. Oh, brother, communists like if you saw a 17 year old kid marching around goose stepping and doing a roman salute you'd be like he's a nazi yeah oh i'll hold on did he actually read mein kampf does he actually come on dude wait we don't put we don't play those games so the issue now is high profile activists to the tunes of millions of dollars buying property having the slogans so ubiquitous that amazon and walmart use them like okay yeah they're they're they're they're in the style of chinese communism they are authoritarian call them whatever you want they adhere to a to some kind of marxist ideology likely as a means of manipulating i think it's probably better to call them neo-fascist or something like this a lot of people call them neo-marxist but i'm like

i don't think they actually believe what marx believed they're using marxist ideas to manipulate stupid people into being controlled yeah so it's something else neo-fascistic maybe whatever but call them whatever you want to call them marxist communists it applies to all of them yeah and you can and you can wake up one day and be like oh that was bad that i was doing that there's a guy who i retweeted a while ago he was a doctor and he tweeted that he was completely wrong about the lockdowns and he apologizes the data was bad and he regrets where he was and i'm like see there you go you know somebody who says whoa i can't believe was doing. Yeah. And you can only really do that in one direction. You can't do it from the left going to the right.

You can't do it from the left. Or you can't really do it from the right going to the left. I don't think the left would just never have you. No, they do. They have their, I think it's all fake. The people were like, you know, I was a Trump supporter. And then I realized they were like, no, you didn't. That's a lie.

That's not true. Because the far right, as defined by the media and the establishment, includes libertarians who hate Donald Trump. Yeah. So it's like somebody who was, you know, I'm sure there are people who have been blue pilled, who have been manipulated and tricked into believing lies from the machine. But you have to be really insane or really broken to read. Facts about how the media lied, which brings you to Donald Trump, and then be like,

yeah, but then I started reading more of NBC News and really just decided not to fact check it. It's like that simple. I'll give you an example. Burisma is the best example, especially with everything that's going on. There's no circumstance in which you can unlearn the Burisma scandal.

And if you go and say, I don't support Trump, you know, Biden's the guy for me, go into a circle of Democrats and say, oh yeah, but you know about Victor Shokin, right? When he signed the sworn affidavit saying Biden got him fired, they're going to be like, you're a Nazi, you're far right, get out. Yeah. I forget who it was that you were talking to, you read that from the show about that, and they knew nothing about it. I can't remember who it was now. Well, that's Brianna Wu.

Yeah, that's right. It was Hunter Avalon. yeah they have no idea the stuff happened or they're lying and saying they didn't know that it happened but the reality is the people who are like you know i was a trump supporter and now i'm not okay maybe you are a trump supporter because you were living under a rock and your neighbor said he was voting for trump so you said sure but you're certainly not someone who pays attention what's your take do you think that people are inaccurate when they criticize the left as being communist um well if tim is specifically talking about the militant activists who use those symbols that are associated with communism well clearly those those are apt um labels for them i just you know i i cringe often when i just when i see people on the right very kind of loosely just calling random large swaths of the political opposition just you know

they're all these are just all communists or we're using using the term fascist as well it's just one's true and one's not language is so important and meaning in the definitions of words is important and um i just you know i think playing the same game of what the left does of just you know their disregard of how they who they call fascists or who they call far right whatever i think the right should be very careful not to mirror that in the same way. Unfortunately, maybe that, I think that boat has already sailed. But why shouldn't they mirror it? Are you implying that they're only saying

it because it was said of them? Yes, and it's about sort of, like, just this rhetorical claim of, like, okay, you call us, you know, you're so loose with the word fascist on our side, we're just going to call all of you communists.

But that's not what's happening. It is a fact that they're communists. It is not a fact. Some of them. But they, but right, so you're defining communist as someone who is a learned red communist as opposed to the banality of communism.

Not even necessarily learned. They could just, I mean, somebody who's just finds appeal in the basic tenets of communism. Like, if a guy is, puts on a black hoodie and runs around with antifa smashing things, is he a communist? just i mean somebody who's just finds appeal in the basic tenets of communism particularly if a guy is uh puts on a black hoodie and runs around with antifa smashing things see a communist not necessarily he might identify as a militant anarchist that's a big part of the antifa but that's but that's not anarchy anarchy meaning without authority right so they can call

themselves whatever they want i don't care that's not true and our anarchists are not violent right well if the far left there are examples in in 20th century european history of you know anarchist ideologues have carried out assassinations and other types of violence so i would i would argue the core of the of the phrase without authority would displace a person from the use of violence. And someone who wants to claim they're an anarchist who then engages in, say, throwing dynamite in a market or something like that, they're not an anarchist. That's an authoritarian action. Anarchy is quite literally the word and without archie authority. Anybody who believes that there is no authority of the system, one could make the philosophical

argument that they're trying to strip authority from the system. That's why they're an anarchist. That's not correct in most anarchist philosophy. That's why you'll find among libertarians and what people refer to as right anarchists, the non-aggression principle. If you use violence against another person, it's an assertion of your authority over them, which defies itself. What is actually happening is if you look at the anarchist communities, they have inherently tanky authoritarian views on how to run society. Then they just say, but I'm an anarchist. Sure. Like, dude, just because you're stupid doesn't mean you're not a communist. If they believe Marxist ideology, utilize that ology to and utilize violence to that end,

they're not anarchists. They are someone who believes in an authority, believes in a system, believes that it should be done the way they want it done, and that they are the ones who have the right to use cause of death to get that. That's not anarchy. So this is the issue that we've always had going back to Occupy Wall Street, when these dudes would dress up in all black and people would call them the anarchists and stuff. And we would colloquially say it sometimes, but being friends with a bunch of anarchists, especially with like Ron Paul Revolution only a few years before, we were like, that's not anarchy. Running around smashing windows and beating people up because they don't agree with you is quite literally what anarchists are opposed to. When you when you argue that the police, for instance, were doing something wrong and they were abusing people or saying the street was frozen, you couldn't go there. It was an arbitrary exercise

of authority over people that was ill gotten. It was it was it was it was false. When people started putting on hoodies and masks, a uniform going around saying, do what we say or we will physically strike you. I was like, identical to the police. And they would go, that's so stupid. We are not. I'm like, bro, two guys who are part of groups that dress the same and assert their authority, whether it's warranted or not. But this is just the no true Scotsman argument. No, it's not. It's the it's the it's the if someone comes to you and says they're a thing does it mean they are a thing no it does not words define things so if someone comes to you

and they're clearly a white blonde guy and they say actually i'm a black guy from nigeria you're gonna be like you're actually a white guy right within political philosophies if there if there is a a faction that identifies within this larger political ideology and they carry out actions in the name of this ideology, I don't think how a lot of these women's rights events, it's Antifa, Transifa, communists and socialists and violent far left coming up to attack these women who are speaking out about trans ideology. Well, a lot of these women who are speaking out are old school leftists who say, no, no, no, no, these people, they're not leftists. They're not on our side. They have nothing to do with us. They're regressive. They're not on the same side as us.

And I think that type of denial, it's not reflective of the reality that the on the ground manifestation of political philosophy does change over time. You're not going to have necessarily a peer manifestation every time, but it's still part of that. I think within the wider anarchist community, anarchists need to start asking themselves a bit more, if they're not doing already, why are some of the most prominent anarchists we see doing the direct action on the street are the militant antifa because they're not anarchists you like your position comes from the if a person declares themselves to be they are that i disagree if a communist came out and said don't worry i'm not a communist am i going to be like well hold on guys they're not a communist he's like he's wearing a uh you

know a a blue jumpsuit with a little commie on, guys, they're not a communist. He's like, he's wearing a blue jumpsuit with a little commie hat on, holding Das Kapital and waving a communist flag. I am not a communist. I say, okay, he's not. He said he's not, so he's not. Right? That's illogical. Well, that's not what I'm saying. You know, you can have...

People can pick and cherry pick whatever aspects of different texts or historical figures who may represent that political ideology and draw inspiration from it and say that that is you know that they're part of a longer tradition it's just i i i just get frustrated when there's like uh so the so the issue right now is Not recognizing a problem on one own side, which I see the left does. But the right is not wrong to call them communists. So libertarians, conservatives, evangelicals, post liberals, non politically affiliated people comprise the far right.

All of those people I just described, this disparate group of people who completely disagree with each other and will actually yell at each other in arguments are called one group fascists all of them that's nonsensical and incorrect you get a libertarian you get dave smith in here and he will tell you why he does not like donald trump they will but the media and the democrats will still claim he's a trump supporter and there was a famous moment where he was on fox news and they were like you know with donald trump he's like i don't care i don't like donald trump he's a libertarian they can't differentiate everyone's a fascist meanwhile the bulk and actually this was there was there was a data point we we brought up a couple years ago it showed the cluster of political affiliation a voting block based on social political social and economic views so it was a it was a it was a uh

two-dimensional grid or i yeah two-dimensional is a square showing mapping out where you stand socially socially progressive or conservative and economically progressive or conservative trump's voting base was spread all the way across the economic spectrum, but more socially conservative. And the entire Democrat voting base was clustered in one tight packed corner of socially and economically progressive. They all exist mostly in the same space. So we say typically they tend to be communists.

I don't care what they call themselves. I'm identifying them. I don't care what they say. They say we believe in Marxist ideas. We believe in critical race theory, critical gender theory. We believe in critical class theory. And I'm like, okay, these are communist ideas. They then say they want massive multinational corporations and centralized authoritarian

power from the government to start arresting and locking up their political opponents while they celebrate and clap for it. You then have more militant factions like Antifa, et cetera, who will privately say, or on a personal level, they'll say, well, I don't like Joe Biden or the machine ever either, but I will fight on their behalf. For example, when Trump supporters were outside of a hospital protesting masks, Antifa showed up and beat the crap out of them. Why are they defending a government decree? Because they're communists they support the government doing what it wants under this leftist ethos of class gender and race

oppression that's the bulk of the voting base in it graphed out and before us they then call all of us fascists despite the fact that libertarians and fascists are arguing with each other so you you can't just look at it and be like, it is stupid that the right calls the left communist because the left calls the right fascist, but that's not what's happening. It is one side is evil. One side is not evil. Why? I'm not saying people on the right are good. I'm saying whatever the right is, it's a disparate group of people it is various different ideologies and factions having a discussion on why wokeness and the established machine is bad and the things that and calling out the lies from the mainstream media the left overwhelmingly overwhelmingly marches in lockstep with whatever the lie happens to be even though it changes from from time to

time sometimes as quickly as a day wimixixin, women with an X, was the unoffensive thing. And then a day later, it was offensive because it was exclusionary. This is why they can't define words like woman. There is nothing to it. And this is a really great example of it. You can find people who are pro-life, pro-progressive tax. You can find people like Jimmy Dore who want universal health care, but they're right wing or fascist. That makes no sense. So that's clearly a false determination. But then you can look at the at the left and not a single one of them defines the word woman. And if they do, they use a nonsensical like we had Lance on the show. He said woman is an adult human female and trans women are female. It's like,

OK, you see, there's no logic there. They're marching in lockstep. But we got to go to super chats. So we can, we can, we'll carry on that conversation or whatever my, my diatribe in the members only section, but we'll read super chats for now and hear what y'all have to say. Cause I'm sure everybody's super chatting saying I'm wrong,

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it's always welcome but you could skip their super chats we have bertman who says palmdale come back to me that's chris burman let's go oh he got six one in the building he got the first chat congratulations yeah i'm not your buddy guy says i love how trudeau just blamed russian propaganda for our senate giving multiple standing ovations to to an actual Nazi who was part of the SS. Wow. Yep. Trudeau says, don't look or question me when I do it. Yeah, rules for thee.

Waffle Sensei says, I really wish Rumble would have literally said pound sand tyrants in their letter back to the UK government. Missed opportunity. Oh, I think they did. I think they did right. You know, it was it was polite. It was a plate. I'm sure Rumble doesn't want to burn bridges.

You know, it's it's one thing if they're being aggressive later, but it doesn't want to potentially be shut out completely. Shane Wilder says, watch, watch the presser from Eagle Pass today. I think Rep Tony Gonzalez

was spot on when he said, quote, we have to stop waiting on President Biden to solve this issue. Now to see if the Republican can do it. Look, I think Biden's not solving the issue. This is part of the plan. There's a video of CBP, I believe it's CBP,

opening a gate at the border and letting people in and counting them. They are being instructed to open the border that's it so anybody acting like you know why won't why won't they get the job done because they they this is this is their plan that's it yeah carry on omg puppy says with rumble this is someone demonstrating their power someone like mi6 they won't accept losing i think it's it seems fairly routine to be honest like oh hey we got an upstart big tech Demonstrating their power. Someone like MI6. They won't accept losing.

I think it's. It seems fairly routine. To be honest. Like. Oh hey. We got an upstart. Big tech. Upstart social media company. That's got a high profile celebrity.

Who's speaking out against the Ukraine war. Shut him down. Yeah. There you go. Bear in mind. Says I miss seeing you in my notifications. That's right. Yeah.

I didn't see one today. Yep. No notifications pop up. Not today. If you. If you like the show that's why i say share the show because probably the only reason the show still exists is because you guys share it did did people used to get notifications or was it from the beginning people oh yeah it's happening this week but today no notification at all my phone it depends too so you don't appear on the trending channel or trending page but you should right oh that's the funny thing too when we put out um the song only ever wanted on timcast music we were trending on youtube i think we were trending in the top 10 or something like that and then or maybe it's top 20 and then we put out the song genocide once again we were trending and

i was like look at that like our song right next to like post malone that's crazy but we were getting substantially less views we got a couple hundred thousand views and we were trending and I'm like Tim cast IRL should be trending every single night yeah we get a couple hundred thousand views in like an hour or two hours yeah based on those numbers yep nope there's no there's no real explanation for it doesn't make any sense if if you know I'm sure their argument is if they allowed timcast irl to behave normally in the trend section the same as every video every night timcast would be a trending video yeah which would exponentially increase the amount of viewers we get the amount of subscribers we get and then we

be bigger than mr beast they do not want that to happen so they suppress that's it yeah that's true but if every single person who watched every single time shared this show then we would be bigger but hey a lot of work and uh you know it is what it is all right let's grab some more we got dallas smith says yo andy good to see you doing well i had fun working as your security during the portland riots let me know if you need me again when you're in town god bless what was the username for that dallas smith no doesn't go back to your emails and see if you have a connection it's cool that people who work security for you you know follow your work actually yeah it's not just a job for them they really like you there have been some uh kind people who volunteered their time because you know

private security is really expensive and back then. Yeah. That's cool. All right. What do we got? We got... SA Federali says, this is the best podcast in history,

but every single time Tim refers to Quad City style pizza as Chicago style pizza, he appropriates my culture. The West side of Illinois is the best side of Illinois. I am not saying you don't have the same kind of pizza. He appropriates my culture. The West side of Illinois is the best side of Illinois. I am not saying you don't have the same kind of pizza. I'm saying real Chicago pizza is not deep dish in Chicago. We eat quad city style pizza. There you have it. That's my point. People go to Chicago and they're like, I want Chicago pizza. And they're like, right this way to the circus.

They go, they bring you to a pizza place. People from Chicago don't go to, you're saying deep dish pizza is a tourist trap. Yeah, it's great. You know, Luminati's is really, really good. We used to have a place, I don't know if it still exists, called Leona's. And that was really awesome because they had like a cornbread crust deep dish. Awesome. Whoa. Yeah, it was

really good. Really good. Yeah. Crumbly and delicious. And Giordano's of course is very famous. Everybody orders this stuff there's uh who knows but uh if you are a if you grew up in chicago with a neighborhood pizza place it was like a flatbread square cut pizza is this like i don't know if this is true or not but people who are from chicago like really from chicago like the white socks but then people who moved to chicago like the cubs i don't know in my experience if you're on the north side you

were a cubs fan from the south side you were a socks fan okay it's regional i don't know anything about well you have to be honest but it was like yes the crosstown classic is then you know north south rivalry it was like you know everyone's like you're on the south side so you're supposed to be cubs fans i'm like i don't know my parents were from the north side or something uh we went to cubs games. Well, the best pizza in America is in new England. So go check it out. But the thing is at the time growing up,

the socks were good and the Cubs were losing. So it's like the cup. I remember going to a Cubs game with my family. We left right away. Cause they were losing so miserably. Yeah. And then I remember when the white socks won the world series and, uh,

it was insane in Chicago. Just like people were crashing cars and screaming it went insane that's nuts and then when the cubs won the world series there was like nothing happened every everybody because it was it wasn't in chicago i guess uh makes a big difference i guess but everybody was surrounding wrigley stadium while they're playing you know i forgot what they're playing where they're playing cleveland or something and then uh once it ended and everyone cheered for the cubs finally having won after like a hundred years or whatever, everyone just walked to the train.

I think someone broke a window, but then they yelled at and the cops came and arrested them or something. That was it. Everyone just walked and they're like, woo. And there was like, well, I guess nobody's drinking. They're hanging out outside. If the, if people were at, if, if, if they happened at the Cubs stadium, if the game was actually there when they won, you would have hordes of drunk people losing their minds.

Yeah, it would have been nuts. The crazy thing about Wrigleyville was that if you got up at like four or five in the morning, right at the crack of dawn, and just walked down Clark Street, you'd probably find a couple wallets, money in them. You know from personal experience. Yeah, absolutely. I lived off of Clark. And you've got, what, a couple thousand drunk people every night just partying. And so you wake up, there's money lying around. There's wallets just like on the ground.

Probably like iPhones too at this point. At this point, yeah. Back then we didn't. When was I down there? That was like 2008 or 9. So not a whole lot of iPhones back then. But, you know, people had them. No, like I'd go out on the street.

You'd easily find 5, 10 bucks and change if you were just walking down the street and then you go buy breakfast super easy way to live to be honest all right where we at what is this uh let's grab damian simmons says well i will be buying stock in rumble now not financial advice just showing my support for dan bongino just got four more shares game stop this yeah so i i have shares and i bought shares in rumble a little while ago because uh i believe in the platform but uh i probably won't buy any more because i know the ceo and like and tim cast uses uh rumble affiliated companies and infrastructure so you know i don't like stock trading stuff, and I would not want to besmirch my good name in the way Nancy Pelosi besmirches her bad name.

But for everybody else, I would not make any recommendations other than to say I'm seeing a lot of people talk about how they want to buy Rumble stock. Rumble stock went down a little bit today. And it's like it's down from where it started, but that's always to be expected when a company goes public. But it's like, it's down from where it started, but that's always to be expected when a company goes public.

But it's funny because according to the Motley Fool, Chris Pavlovsky, the CEO, is a billionaire. Yeah. Wow. I'm like,

is that true? So based on the amount of shares he has and the value of the shares currently, his net worth should be just around a billion dollars. Oh, okay. Yeah. Isn't that crazy?

Yeah, it is. But Saga means anything. What do you do with it? You can't sell it. Yeah. All right. Falcon Ledger says, Andy, do you believe Robert Silverman, who's done smears on you and Tim

when he tweeted that he was just joking about being the leader of Brooklyn Antifa? Seems like a weird joke to be like, oh, I was just kidding. It was a performance piece, I guess. I don't know who this person is. I don't recall commenting about this individual. So I don't...

I think he writes for like the Daily Beast or something. Okay. Yeah. Get back to us. Yeah. Just research it and get back to us. Yeah. All right. Where are we at? Danny Miller says,

thanks for covering the shameful Canadian applause for a World War II veteran who fought against Russia. Oh, wait. Wasn't Russia an ally in World War II? How times change. Yeah. Isn't that crazy? That's what I'm saying.

They have no understanding of history. So they think modern day standards apply in the sense that Russia is bad guy now. So they must have always been the bad guy but that's not the case zachary kids zachary amnot says tim i'm learning how to play guitar i would love it if you would put the chords to play your song will of the people uh let me think what are the chords that i do i think it is i think it's e alternating between uh e and b and then it goes down to g and g flat so if you play e g g flat or is it f sharp f sharp's probably more accurate way of describing it yeah F sharp yeah depends on who you ask I guess

but yeah so E guitar though no no no it's not E it's B it's B G

F sharp there you go congratulations there's other chords in the song but that's the gist of it that's like the verse yeah I'm sure

Carter could write some tabs up for that and put it online tabs yeah I love tabs I'm learning how to play bass with those tabs.

Tabs are easy. Help you learn. Laura Spade says, I was already boycotting Burger King over the whole milk shark situation. I believe that was when they went on Twitter talking about milkshakes being against Andy Ngo or something. Was that Burger King or McDonald's? I don't recall either one of those

corporations commenting. I think it might have been Burger King. After the thing happened with milkshakes, there was a comment made by some Burger King account. You want to look that up? I'm looking it up. It was when Wendy's and Burger King were all trying to be these meme accounts. Remember that?

Wendy's was the only good one, though, you know? Right. They were really good, actually. Yeah. Corporate, family-friendly. How do you pull it off? I'm not finding anything right now, but I'll keep digging. Was it Burger King?

It might have been Burger King. I don't think laura spade is wrong jeremy paul says reach out to chris from the to be better podcast he would be a great addition to the culture war he's smart and libertarian leaning i say the best role model for young men in dating culture interesting we'll take a look never heard of that red rum axe says colonel kurtz today had one of russell's lovers on her channel testifying he is a great guy she was also begging you to have her on your channel regarding m manson maryland manson yeah maryland manson so wait someone dated maryland manson and russell brand that's a crazy resume oh no no no no no it it it it didn't say that she was dating maryland manson i'm sorry about that sorry that was incorrect.

One of Russell's lovers and also wanted to talk about Marilyn Manson. Is it fair to say that Russell Brand is the UK's Joe Rogan? Is that sort of like the level that they would be trying to go after him on? I don't know. I mean, maybe the UK is substantially smaller. Right, like proportional to the size of their media obviously we're the more dominant media culture and expertise but but no it's probably not i mean look joe rogan he can make a video where he's like yeah i saw a dog and then boom headlines like joe rogan tells dog story or everywhere it's like what calm down man

yeah i think it's funny when joe rogan has an opinion it becomes major news and i'll see it like reported by everybody and i'm like geez man like joe rogan questions you know progressive tax being implemented in in you know cook county and then it's just like what yeah i see these stories pop up where it's just like whatever he makes an opinion so many people are listening to him that's that's what i kind of wonder about with russell brand if people who don't consider themselves political listen to him and therefore he's even more dangerous because he has a wider reach than just one fringe political commentator we'll grab some more super chats the risk says first time super chatting name the halloween coffee rise or die with roberto jr by the way love appalachian nights and rise with roberto jr sleepy joe for decaf rock on we are launching re-rise with roberto jr and uh we've already we've been working on our blend so our signature blend our signature coffees are always some kind of

you know blend combination that we try to find the right flavor and um for re-rise with roberto jr limited edition it is a chicken foot bursting out of the grave because as much as we love roberto jr we're also crass but uh that one i think is going to be out just in time for halloween hopefully and i think we wanted to do an initial we wanted we wanted to do only 500 but it's impossible it has to be at least 5 000 so we're like okay well we'll figure it out maybe Maybe we'll be a single run of 5,000 for the season and then when it's gone, it's gone. Just to circle back to the Burger King thing,

Jen Pisaki, there was a tweet from Burger King after a milkshake was thrown at Nigel Farage, I think. Oh, that's what it was. And they got banned because they were saying like, this is a great idea. I can't find the tweet because it got banned, it was after nigel farage was thrown the burger king corporate

account was like you're totally right being like we're funny and we're very good with the memes and farage was before you right correct yeah because it was like they started doing this milkshaking thing and then with you they got really violent yes beat me on that so i feel bad that during this this uh um uh, um, super chat thing, and there were questions directed at me and a lot of it was like, I don't remember. I don't recall that. And I, that might be part of the, I mean, it's one of probably the lingering, um, effects of the, the, uh, subarachnoid, um, brain hemorrhage that I suffered in 2019, 2019 was that beating people just think that I was just hit with like drinks.

But it was- Like something, but it was much more dangerous. Well, it was the punches and kicks to my body and bashes to my head and eyes and face. It was then after that, that they threw all the liquids on it. And I, so I had traumatic brain injury and memory issues, part of that.

So apologize to any of the viewers out there who, you know, are hearing a lot of me saying, I don't recall, I don't know what this is about. But yes, I do remember the Burger King UK account making light of what happened to Nigel Raj. They tweeted May 18th of 2019, dear people of Scotland, we're selling milkshakes all weekend.

Have fun, love, VK, hashtag just saying. Yeah, and that was right after it happened. Yep. Let's grab more. Arthurhtag just saying. Yeah. And that was right after it happened. Yep. Let's grab more. Arthur Palmer says, the biggest problem with the media is that they so often scream wolf when there are none. No one will trust to cry until a wolf bites someone in the half. Yeah. Joseph says, exception, Tim, not the rule.

I know 18-year-old leftists and their wonderful people just lied to constantly. Explain it with them. We aren't different. I never said you can't talk to the banality of communism and you can explain to people and people wake up in fact said the opposite is that many people do wake up and they realize like holy crap what i was doing was wrong and i shouldn't be party to this my point is that if there is a group of people marching down the street smashing windows waving a communist flag organized by a group that's called revolutionary communism

and then you meet a guy who's in there and be like well i'm not and it's like okay but listen that's fine i get that but that's what i would refer to as the banality of evil you are facilitating communists and their expansion and institutional capture so your group you are you are communists it's like there's a dude it's just i don't know i i don't i don't see any other point to say it any other way to get into the gritty of like well it is it is rev rev com they are revolutionary communists but some of the people who are working for them in support of communism don't actually know they're communists so i won't call them that it's like well that's confusing and hard to describe to people what's really going on you know i think there's this expectation from

people on the right that we should be principled or holier than thou and not to adopt the left's tactics but i think we should do away with that because as deranged as left tactics are they're effective but i'm not even saying that i'm saying the left is lying about people on the right being fascists because they are evil. And the people on the right are calling them communists accurately. So it's more of the left using the Alinsky tactics. Accuse your opponents of doing what you do. Isn't one of the tactics to label your opponents Nazis?

Yes, literally label them Nazis. Right. Attack them as fascists. Exactly. Attack them as fascists. So you will have a libertarian and a trump supporter having an argument we we will have two different conservatives in here arguing over the war in ukraine like you know we had amy horowitz and matt gates having a a a principled and heated discussion on the merits and matt gates said you sound like john mccain

and amy was like that sounds like a compliment and it's like right it's like very different world views but they're both fascists. Even though that's like no international war. It makes no sense. Fascism. That makes no sense. None. But we'll elaborate more.

We'll get some more super chats in. Where are we at? All right. Grandstanding and hotdogging says, if Russell Brand was trying to shield himself from his past behavior, he would not be building an anti-establishment audience. He would be acting like Howard Stern and catering to the woke mob. Keep up the great work, guys.

Exactly. Howard Stern is a good example of someone who is scared of being me-too'd. How many, how much you want to bet? Yeah. Howard Stern, if there was anybody who had to make a guess, it would not if you put russell brandon howard stern in front of me and said which one do you think is more likely to have abused women i'm putting howard stern i'm like didn't he do it on his show right yeah like didn't they have something like launching hot dogs at women's tits or something like that i mean they had so much stuff on that show man i don't know i could be wrong i want to

be careful here but i'm just like i thought it was there was some conversation he was having with was it Hillary Duff or some like former young starlet that people years later were like, oh, wow, wait a minute. media, people who have allegations against them will go to them with a lawyer and they'll privately settle about it. So we'll potentially never hear about these things because they've reached some some sort of agreement in in hopes of getting out ahead of it or keeping it from getting to the media. Yeah, I mean, like if if if you look at Russell Brand, I just I just Google searched it and it's like a compilation of Howard Stern abusing women. And if you look at the stuff russell brand was doing they accuse him of it's like he's making crude jokes on tv that are like inappropriate and it's like wow you know those the people were laughing they like that dark comedy you look at the stuff howard stern is doing he's legitimately

like saying things to these women that are just like oh yeah it's way way different yeah he's not joking he's literally asking them about their bodies and stuff. And they're getting uncomfortable. Not to mention the stuff he said about Columbine. Like, holy crap. Alright everybody, if you haven't already, would you kindly smash that like button. Subscribe to this channel.

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