Timcast IRL - Timcast IRL #875 Trump Hints At ACCEPTING Speaker Of The House, Pelosi EVICTED w/Mike Benz

Episode Date: October 5, 2023

Tim, Luke, Seamus, & Serge join Mike Benz to discuss the possibility of Donald Trump becoming the next speaker of the house, Newt Gingrich slamming Matt Gaetz & defending McCarthy, the FBI labeling Trump supporters as extremists, and the rise of communism in American politics. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

So Donald Trump has suggested if nominated for Speaker of the House, he will accept. He didn't say explicitly he would. He said he's going to do whatever would be best. There are a lot of big names, but he did not come out and say, no, no, I'm running for president. And so it's been back. It's been back and forth. Some people have reported that after Trump, you know, they floated his name as a nominee that he said, no, I won't do it. Then he said, yes, maybe I do it. Now we actually have the video where he's like, well, you know,

we'll do what's best for this country or for the party. And so that's a that's a maybe. I think it'd be interesting. And I think considering the political attacks against him, we have news now from Newsweek that a former attorney out of New York is saying that they could auction off the worst case scenario already happened, the dissolution of the Trump organization, and the state may actually seize and auction off the properties. And I don't know how much that's legit or just some dude being hyperbolic,

but it's getting crazy out there. Mike Cernovich warned you. Scott Adams warned you. And I said, maybe a bit aggressive, fair. But we now have reporting from Newsweek that the FBI has created a new extremist category, and that is Donald Trump's army of MAGA followers. That's right.

If you're a Trump supporter, that's it. The FBI has labeled you an extremist. Let me stress it. Say it again. Newsweek reporting. The FBI has labeled Trump's followers as extremists. OK, I don't know where this goes. I have a general idea.

And maybe you might think that Cernovich and Scott Adams a little over the top, a little hyperbolic. And then you learn that, well, we knew they're prosecuting Trump's lawyers. They're issuing hundreds of thousands

of dollar fines against lawyers who defended Trump. They're going after Trump allies. They're falsely accusing people across the board and have been for a long time. That's only getting worse. And now, if you're a follower of Trump,

they're saying you're an extremist. Well, we're going to get into all that and a whole lot more. There's a bunch of news today. Before we do, my friends, head over to TimCast.com. Go to TimCastIRLXMiami. If you haven't already... What happened? Just my stream deck isn't correct.

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which should mean Matt will be at the event. We booked this event a long time ago. Our understanding is Matt will be there. And I'm just trying to be as transparent as possible because in the event Matt Gaetz, who successfully led the ouster of Kevin McCarthy as Speaker, in the event that he has to stay in D.C. to continue the good work that he is doing, then he's going to. And that

means he won't be in Florida. But we will work something out. But for the time being, it looks like it will go ahead as planned. We've heard nothing else other than, you know, it looks like they're all planning to be here. And talk about crazy timing. It is going to be absolutely tremendous to hear from Matt himself discussing exactly how this all went down and his thoughts and his ideas as he has been.

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like button subscribe to this channel share the show with your friends joining us tonight to talk about this and so much more is mike benz hey. Hey guys, thanks for having me. You want to get up to the microphone? Oh yeah, no, thanks for having me. This speaker move with Trump sounds particularly cinematic. I mean, if you look at the powers of the speaker, I mean, there's a certain irony because the speaker is in control of counting the votes so trump will actually have his sort of dream come true of being in charge of the counting of votes after the uh the last election cycle but then all the committee assignments and the power from there to be able to determine who's on every committee i mean that's that's a that's a power i you know he didn't even have his president that would just be kind of crazy yeah the budget gets investigated too do you want to introduce yourself and the work you do?

Yeah. My name is Mike Benz. I'm the executive director of Foundation for Freedom Online. Our job is to restore the golden age of the Internet, which we all know and love. And in that spirit, that's what we're doing. Censorship and other issues like that. So we'll certainly talk about a lot of this stuff.

So thanks for hanging out. Luke Gorkowski, of course, is here. Hey, guys. hanging out luker kowski of course is here hey guys my name is luker dowski of youtube.com forward slash we are change and today i am wearing my biden 2024 shirt with him in a power pose which you could exclusively get on the best political shirts.com and support my independent media organization and before we start a serious question um what do you guys call an iris catholic with 400 girlfriends come on a sheep farmer and oh goodness seamus cogland is also here from from feeding tunes i uh i really appreciate the confidence of not ironing a shirt that you're going to wear before you try selling

it on air it's pretty impressive okay happy to see you buddy i missed you a lot james what do you do well uh i was gone from this podcast for quite a while i'm a recurring co-host i'm most well known for youtube channel i run called freedom tunes i make animated cartoons the people love them much more than the content over at We Are Change, which is unfortunately not the best stuff on the internet. I'm happy to be back here. This is my first time on the show in a couple months. So if you've been watching this show for a couple months, maybe you remember me. Maybe you're a friend I haven't made yet. If so, go over to Freedom Tunes on YouTube and subscribe. You can also go to our website and become a member.

FreedomTunes.com if you like what I'm saying and want to support what we do. Not to throw too much at you, I'm also a podcast host. I have a podcast which is exclusive to Rumble called Shamer. If y'all want to go over there and subscribe to that as well. Thank you so much. I'm looking forward to a great non-hostile show with my friends who don't

say mean and horrible things to me. I'm glad i'm sitting between you guys i just speak facts you know i've never heard you state a single fact in your entire life i don't know about that but uh fake news luke okay how's it going tim i've missed you just let there be a little bit of silence be the also he can so he can think about what he's done all right how about we talk about the news that we got today? We have this story from TimGast.com. Trump comments on whether he would accept House speakership.

Several House Republicans have nominated the former president for Speaker of the House. Trump was nominated for a speakership by several House Republicans after California Rep. Kevin McCarthy was ousted. And we have this here, this video from the Post Millennial. Let's, well, I'll just give you the quote because we don't need to play the full, you know, one minute and 47 second clip. All I can say is we'll do whatever is best for the country and for the Republican Party. Which is to say, Donald Trump doesn't want to say outright no. Which is to say, he would consider taking this position if that's what actually happens. I don't think he wants to come out and say, yes, of course, I'm going to do it. It's going to be great because I'm not so sure he actually wants to do it.

I think he's saying this because he's putting a placeholder in it. In the event he has a meeting with several prominent Republicans and they come out and say, actually, maybe it should be a third party. It should be you, Donald. And the funny thing about this is that this was actually a scenario proposed by a lot of people, you know, a year, almost a year ago, or I should say, you know, six or however many months ago when people were talking about Speaker of the House, people were saying Trump should get a nominated speaker. And this is 2022. It's like a year ago. And then after they impeach Biden and Kamala, he becomes president. I mean, look, anything can happen. I'm not one to make predictions or

dismiss other people's predictions at this point. It's been a crazy, crazy past couple of years. If you came to me at the very beginning of 2020 and you accurately predicted what the next three years were going to look like, I would have told you that you're completely out of your mind. So I'm not going to dismiss that. It could possibly happen. What do you guys think? There's also lots of little... Try to speak into the mic if you can there's also lots of little leverage points from this that are kind of interesting like you could do it on a temporary basis and then just stack the house appropriations committee to zero out the very justice department that's due that's in charge of the the criminal proceed i mean there's if you game theory this out him in a speaker position with

people in the in a caucus who are willing to to back him uh it could actually throw a monkey wrench in a lot of of things that are being done to him and the question is is if they raise the stakes this way you know we're already seeing what the justice department and fbi are doing the other way i don't know if we're even going to be able to have elections or if it's going to go full ukraine style uh if if a move like that is attempted by trump i say screw it put him in there um i i think it's better off than any other politician out there the paperwork has been officially filed to even make this something that's going to be probably up for a vote so uh why the hell not?

Tuesday. Yeah. Yeah, Matt Gaetz was saying that the Republicans were sending everybody home to go cry about it, that it's all about one guy, because they've recessed until Tuesday, which hopefully is good for us for the event on Friday. But Matt's bent out of shape about it, saying they should be doing their jobs and voting on a new speaker. And he's right. I wonder what the point of a recess is, to be completely honest.

What's the point? Okay, he's out. Now we're going to go home? Why wouldn't you just do your jobs? These people don't want to work. Yeah, politicians don't work. They steal. They're professional thieves.

They're liars. They're con artists. And they're people that should not be trusted with any kind of faith at all. So with this news, I think the more likely scenario, I mean, we could all kind of speculate here and talk about Trump being the Speaker of the House, but the most likely scenario here that's going to unfold is that there's probably going to be a lot more infighting.

There probably won't be a Speaker of the House, and because of that, there's going to be stagnation in Washington, D.C., and that to me is a beautiful thing. It's a wonderful thing. I don't want government doing anything. I don't want government running my life. I don't want government to tell me what to do. I don't want more regulations.

I don't want more taxes. I don't want more rules. I think the situation we have right now is the most perfect situation for the American people. And that is a Congress that doesn't have a speaker and can't act. You know what? I'm going to be honest. I usually, I don't agree with everything Luke says. I think oftentimes he gets things wrong. I think often even when he says something correct, he says it

in such an indecipherably difficult to understand way that you can't make heads or tails of it. But I would agree with most of that. I'd be very happy if the government was less able to do any of the things. But you agreed with that point. I agree with that point. Yeah, I think you're absolutely right about that. I think you're absolutely right about that i think you're absolutely right about that the problem is the house is the one branch of government right now that republicans control then you're you're basically defanging the one thing right now that's doing oversight hearings on everything from covet origins where it just got released that the cia was bribing analysts to change their you know to change their analysis on origins that they were chauffeuring uh fauci around into these secret meetings on it and all this is and on the censorship side there are so many uh things

like the jim jordan subpoena to get all that if you neuter the house you sort of neuter the resistance to the federal agencies so i'm not i'm more on the put trump in there than shut it down i i think the more likely scenario is that no one's going to be in there and to the point that you brought up gee i do wonder why the cia was bribing analysts to cover up the origin of the sickness that we all had to deal with that echo health alliance and their organization and other cd parts of the government were involved in as well i wonder why they were trying to cover up exactly what happened to the people of the world with that particular sickness that they had their fingerprints on. I just want to mention something, Mike.

I think you turned me around on this one. I agreed with Luke a moment ago, but I think I'm on Team Mike here. I would more or less say that your position makes more sense. A very political answer. That's what a flip-flopping politician would do. I'm willing to change my mind based on new information. I think he made a good point. I had to consider it when you were speaking.

My role here is I'm the arms supply in the Ukraine-Russia war here, so just whoever can get the arms on their side to win it, I'm happy to do that. But as what, Luke, you just said is really interesting about the relationship between EcoHealth Alliance, because you noted they were involved. I mean, it was more than involved.

USAID paid them $53 million. And USAID has a very long history as being a conduit for CIA activity. Oh, yeah. And, you know, there's a lot more on that particular thing. So is the suggestion that Trump as Speaker of the House would be as ineffective on a lot of core issues it's more like if there's no speaker then there's really no ability to have uh committees functioning in an effective way and some of the pushback right now on the censorship space coming out of the oversight committee judiciary weaponization

household land security all of that is house driven not senate not you know not outside only they can really get access through subpoenas to some of the sensitive documents. But people got away the kind of decisions of what's happening here because a lot of people are very critical of the House saying specifically they gave Biden an unlimited budget. They're not investigating his family. They're not investigating Fauci. They're not doing what they're told. They're rolling over and allowing pure just pandemonium allowing the democrats to essentially have their way with them and some people are arguing okay maybe we'll get some committees and some investigation but is it worth an open border is it worth uh you know the possibility of world war three is it worth uh you know unlimited spending destroying the u.s economy from from the inside. Is it worth it? How is it that the Republicans win a majority and it doesn't change?

It is the same thing as it was under Democrats. And that is why it was right for Matt Gaetz to remove Kevin McCarthy. At the very least, we get obstruction. And if you remember when the Republicans won the House, that's the same exact point we made on this particular show saying about this particular situation. Everyone was celebrating. Everyone's like, we did it.

We got the Republicans in, not by as much as we wanted and thought, but we did it. And I'm like, this is going to be irrelevant. This is not going to matter. This is going to be politics as usual. And that's exactly what happened until Matt Gaetz got involved and said,

you know what? I'm actually going to try to represent some of the will of the american people that are discontent and pissed off with congress screwing them over but so and yes and that's that was my point we kept saying on this show we want the republicans to win more so for the establishment and anti-establishment reasons but even if they do we realize nothing's going to change and it's and it is to a certain degree worse than that. What happens is when Democrats get in, they smash and destroy. When Republicans get in, they run secret backroom deals with Democrats to smash and destroy. There is no opposition party in this country. What the Democrats do is is the machine's agenda. And the Republicans are a

pressure release valve for Americans who are sick of having the boot stamped all over their face. But they can't stop it. Now you get Matt Gaetz and seven for Americans who are sick of having the boot stamped all over their face. But they can't stop it. Now you get Matt Gaetz and seven other Republicans who are saying, now we can put some pressure on the system and make these changes with tremendous, tremendous power because they're willing to push back on Republicans, on the establishment, on the leadership. And they do. And boy, are they all losing their minds. You know, look, I like Lauren Boebert, Marjorie Taylor Greene, Thomas Massey, but I've lost a decent amount of respect for them.

I still like them. They still do good things. But they're they're illogical defense of Kevin McCarthy. They have no justification. And I will spare no one this. There is nothing, no logical argument to the American people who despise Congress to the tune of 82% disapproval for them to say, we're going to keep on keeping on and kick the can down the road. The only thing, if I was in Congress, there's no argument you could make. Yeah, but we're making small gains here and there. Kevin McCarthy is getting us this, that I'd be like, nope. The American people despise Congress. They're sick of everything that is how this machine is being run. And the omnibus spending bill is basically every single September. Congress spits in the face of the American people and laughs about it. And then finally,

when someone says Matt Gaetz and his other seven Republicans, hey, you know what? We're going to give a middle finger at the very least to the Speaker of the House who wants to maintain this system, because if the negotiations work, he wasn't going to do this. Then what do we see? Thomas Massey say, if you do this, this institution will fail. Good, Thomas Massey. I don't think you can make an argument to me. Maybe you've got insider knowledge, but it doesn't matter to me. I'm not in Congress and I don't care other than there is garbage in these omnibus bills, massive funding for ridiculous garbage internationally, funding for war that's never

been justified to the American people, and then you say we should be worried about the institution failing. I don't care. I literally don't. We must rebirth that institution and maybe it should be. It should fail so that we can go and clean it up and rebuild it. Newt Gingrich also had a very interesting response to all of this.

He's a Bohemian Grove member that came out today and said that what Matt Gaetz did is, quote, childish, and that he should be ousted from Congress. And if you look at the people who are outraged by this, you look at CNN, who surprisingly is also pissed off at this news. They have a very interesting article that's titled McCarthy became the latest victim of Trump's extreme GOP revolution. What? That makes absolutely no sense at all. Donald Trump actually stood behind the speaker of the House, Kevin McCarthy, many times during the original fight for him to be Speaker of the House, even just recently. And now, more importantly, if you look at all the people freaking out, a lot of them are usually connected to the military-industrial complex. A lot of them beat the drums for war. A lot of them want more war in Ukraine. And I think this is the big kind of linchpin issue that broke this dam.

Well, here's the article in the Daily Mail. Newt Gingrich calls for the GOP to expel Matt Gates for being an anti-Republican and slams his childish behavior. I'm not a Republican. I've never been a Republican. I don't like Republicans, but I voted for them in 2020 because of Donald Trump, because of his second term agenda, and because wokeness and the far left and the Democrats have completely lost their minds to the point where it's actually kind of worrying. But when Kevin McCarthy works secret backroom deals with Democrats to give them their funding on Ukraine, whatever garbage they want, because they won't just commit to actually debating bills in Congress,

well, then you might as well just have Democrats in control once again. So I look at Matt Gaetz and the coalition he is leading. They represent a new faction of voters. Just because GOP or R is slapped on their title does not mean we agree or even like the Republican Party. So when Newt Gingrich comes out and says Matt Gaetz should be expelled, no, I say actually Kevin McCarthy should be expelled. This is all Kevin McCarthy's fault.

All of it. The shutdown threats, him getting removed from from the speakership it is not the fault of matt gates if kevin mccarthy says he wants to be in charge he wants to be the boss and then in exchange for leadership he he gives guarantees and then violates those guarantees he screwed up nobody else did well this is huge and this is what the media does all the time whenever a person in a particular position of authority fails to live up to the obligations that they incurred by stepping into that position, the media and the establishment blame those who pointed out that that person failed and then tried to remove them from their position for people losing respect in said

position, when, of course, it's the exact opposite. People don't rally behind removing these people from these positions in the vast majority of cases because they themselves decided they wanted to delegitimize this institution or position. It's because they're not doing what they're supposed to do. So we saw this when Trump attacked the media repeatedly for very good reason. And the response was Donald Trump has undermined American trust in our institutions and not these institutions have undermined trust in themselves and Trump is now giving a voice to that. So similarly, Gates pointing out and doing what he could to oust McCarthy does not mean that Gates is responsible for the fact that the American people have lost faith in that institution or pushed him out. It's really more a product of

McCarthy's own actions catching up to him. Did Gingrich give any more reasoning for, you know, for that, you know, in terms of the need to keep McCarthy on? Did he spell that out in detail? Because, you know, there is this divide between the stakeholders in the American empire and the interest of the people who live here that is sort of the fault line, as I see it, in the GOP civil war. You have this generations-old GOP power base, which is tied to the military, it's tied to the energy sector, it's tied to the intelligence services. And these are folks who, from oil companies to military contractors, make their money on the expansion and protection of assets and foreign lands. And sometime around the 90s, there became a very noticeable cleavage

between the kind of trickle-down economic ideal of those corporations sort of spilling into the middle class to having this kind of divide between the American homeland and the empire where the people in the homeland were suffering as the even as the empire grew and expanded and what we see right now in the Republican wing is you can pretty much tell whether or not somebody voted for or against McCarthy by whether they represent the foreign policy establishment or whether they represent domestic interests, the Democrat Party is completely corralled on that front. There's division on the GOP.

My concern with this is, since I don't fully understand the logic of the McCarthy back, you know, why it is that folks like Gingrich are so insistent on it. I wonder if without compromise to that blob, people are afraid of, you know, they don't really have a mafia on their side. The Bush wing of the Republican Party, you know, I think protects, there's strong representation in the Justice Department and in the DOD and CIA and State Department.

There's no representation of that in the populist wing. So there's like no protection against attempts to use dirty tricks to kill the careers of Republican, you know, Congress people. So I wonder how much of that is appeasement because there is no mob for the populist faction of the GOP. Well, Newt does represent more of a kind of rhino establishment-based politics that, of course, is also connected to many secret societies. And as he previously even said before, the main kind of problem that a lot of people are seeing with Trump is a lot of rhinos a lot of establishment types a lot of people who go to the bohemian grove take off their clothes worship moloch and of course have mock child sacrifices that are the good old boys the good old republicans the

christian conservatives that of course value traditional uh you know ways which is which is kind of ridiculous when you look at the face value of what they're responsible for because when they had a seat at the table when when when when 2001 happened, they had everything. They had the Senate. They had Congress. They had the presidency. They had the American people behind them. And what did they do? They failed the American people. And I think there's a huge section of the populace that realizes, holy cow, like like these guys, these guys could be just as bad as the democrats here we have to speak out against this and i i can understand your kind of sentiments here but when looking at the current situation that we're in the left side is pretty bad the right side it's pretty bad too so so i think this is the current predicament that a lot of people are left in kind of questioning and wondering uh where do we go from here either side we go on we're kind of screwed here and the

politicians who are going to be put into place are going to be puppets of the establishment that are going to be doing the screwing. It's all about the interests of those with money, and it always is. There's supposed to be the will of the people involved in our system, but it's not supposed to be direct democracy. But now, we've been in a system for quite some time, maybe even 100 years, where it's literally just rule by elites. If you have the money, then you make the rules. If you're a regular person, your ideas don't matter. And some may argue that there's a meritocracy in this. Like, well, if you work hard enough and you're smart enough and you make all that money, well, then you will get an outsized voice. It makes sense. Those of merit and capability. The problem is the purpose of our government was that the opinions of people who work regular jobs and

live humble lives matter as well and for the longest time they've not mattered at all in our in our in our politics so while i agree you know someone like elon musk they're like how does he have so much power how does he buy you know x how does he assert this authority well you know he built all these companies he made lots of money and then he Well, you know, he built all these companies. He made lots of money. And then he uses that, you know, what he built and the resources he's gathered to have that influence. That's fine. I accept that. But our system of government, the neocon neolib establishment, has basically just said we are fine with not allowing anyone of humble means to have a voice period yeah and the fact that they've overturned two and a half centuries of precedent to you know basically charge trump with 750 years of and trump is now winning in the

general polls according to uh washington post abc from i think chank huger had like a freak out over this that they need to be up like 15 points to be able to win in the battleground states. And just like an outright general ahead. And, you know, the guy is facing 750 years in prison. This was something that we never even put a toe over that line before. And not just him, it's 19. I mean, all of his lawyers, they rolled up 19 at once. I mean, they basically indicted the entire inner circle around that period in January. And, you know, this is sort of happening around the globe in democracies, at least around NATO now, where it's becoming shockingly common practice to just ban your opposition party.

And, you know, Imran Khan's arrested, Bolsonaro, they arrested Marine Le Pen, they arrested Salvini. Every populist leader, there seems to be an immune system with the foreign policy establishment that when a populist leader rises to power for the interests of the people who live there, rather than the interests of the international assets that they hold or resources or investments, then there is a sort of immune system within the Justice Department or within the national security state to use dirty tricks to take them out. And there's been no adaptation the past several years on the populist side. I mean, you can see sentiment rising,

but what is there to protect Matt Gaetz when he runs for governor if he starts to win? I mean, you can easily imagine Merrick Garland taking him for something. The FBI went after Gaetz just recently. Already. And they're investigating him on a whole bunch of BS ethics garbage. And the argument they're making is that Matt Gaetz is only going after Kevin McCarthy because McCarthy won't stop the ethics investigations into Matt Gaetz. And that doesn't seem to make a whole lot of sense. It actually seems inverted that the reason there are investigations into Matt Gaetz is because he has been continually pushing back against the machine and refusing to play ball. Why is it that so many of the supposed anti-establishment Republicans all of a sudden

lost their balls and started just dropping to their knees for Kevin McCarthy? I have to imagine when they watched investigations launch into Matt Gaetz, they said, please, I'll do anything you say. Because the threat of total shameless weaponization is now very much on the table i think that that it was easier to be emboldened and to take on the establishment when you assumed a certain fair play a sort of you know mark of the queensberry type thing like okay they're gonna rail me in the press or they're going to go after my donors not like they're going to physically lock me up uh and subject me to tens of millions of dollars of legal bills uh for you know jaywalking uh in my home district yeah well

i think a lot of this is a product of the fact that the media doesn't have the kind of power that it's traditionally had so in the past if they did write those hit pieces on you if they did smear you if they did tell the american people that you were a big big bad racist then it was quite possible that your political career if not uh being entirely over was going to be in some substantial way negatively affected by those accusations but as the american people have woken up and seen that the entire press apparatus is controlled by one singular set of interests and they're going to do whatever they can to keep the people who they're profiting off of being in power in power and they're going to smear anyone can to keep the people who they're profiting off of being in power in power,

and they're going to smear anyone who's anti-establishment who stands up to them. They've realized, okay, this press apparatus isn't actually working for us the way it used to because it no longer has legitimacy and the American people no longer trust it. So what's left after that? You actually have to take legal action in order to silence dissidents or stop them from running or affecting any substantial political change because you're not able to assassinate them in the court of public opinion anymore that's a great point it's like as the press power has dipped the immune system is it's sort of achieved a kind of static equilibrium by dipping into the prosecution power where the press used

to do it well that's that's desperation press power is soft power scare people will make you sound stupid will make you sound stupid, will make you look bad, will get you shunned. Then when that power starts failing, they panic. And now they're using brute force. The problem with brute force is that it creates more stress on the system. You're already losing confidence when you lose your propaganda machine. Now when you start locking people up is when people stop believing in your system yeah yep i was flying uh when i was flying to ukraine actually several years ago we stopped over in moscow we i was flying from the uk to ukraine and the only flight we could get was transfer in moscow and then to um to kiev and the funny thing i noticed is that when you board a plane in anywhere in the united

states they say now boarding group one, or actually, depending on the airline, they'll be like concierge, key, and military, blah, blah, blah, and people with disabilities, then group one, then group two, and what happens? Everybody gets up with their group. Some people might try and push their way forward

or pretend like they're in a different group. Someone in group three might say they're group two, but that's typically normal. When I was in Russia, just transferring through Moscow, and they said, now boarding group two, but that's typically normal. When I was in Russia, just transferring through Moscow, and they said, now boarding group one, every single person ran full speed and jammed their way to the front of the gate. Same thing was true in Ukraine. And I don't know if that's true for all areas, you know, airports in this region or whatever. But I wondered if, when you have 70 years,

which is several generations under communist rule, where people are mercilessly beaten, the rules don't matter, and if someone doesn't like you, they'll lie about you and you'll go to the gulag. In order to survive,

you must play dirty. Those who play dirty to bend the rules were the ones who survived. So I don't know if this is the case. I thought this. I thought maybe the reason when I'm in Kiev and I'm in Russia, they stampede the gate and shove everyone out of the way as opposed to in the US taking their turns is because

if you were in the Soviet Union starving to death or in the Holodomor or something like this, the only way you survived was by grabbing someone else's bread and eating it. So they've created generations of people who think the only way I get ahead is if I shove everyone out of the way. And then in the West, we've got a bit more soft and lazy where it's just like, well, I'll just wait my turn. And not always, not everywhere. Obviously, crime is skyrocketing. But it was just a thought that I had. And so as we're seeing this happen now in the United States, a fracturing of confidence in the system due to the loss of narrative control and the abuses of the system with no accountability they're only the only thing they can do is apply more brute force yep that will result in more

people thinking the system illegitimate which will require more brute force and then it will break apart yeah so so crazy about what you just said is, what you just said is the actual, like, strategic linchpin crux of our U.S. counterinsurgency doctrine at DOD, which is when we are occupying a foreign country and we are trying to transition it to a rule of law phase, but it's being destabilized or there's insurgent groups and we need to sort of do a military occupation, get rid of insurgents. There's this, the strategic end goal is to have

a sufficient proportion of the population to perceive the legitimacy of the rule of law system. That is when the transition can happen. And the problem is, is the more control you exert on the population, the less the perception of legitimacy. If people don't perceive the system is legitimate, it raises the cost of occupying because people don't comply. They don't submit their taxes on time. They don't trust the courts. They hustle in the way that Tim was just saying.

But what's really amazing is there are all of these techniques to be able to nudge perceptions of legitimacy. This even happened in the 2020 election. The DHS fixated on the term delegitimization for its censorship demands on the social media platforms. And when people were banned for talking about mail-in ballots, it was because they strong-armed and jawboned the companies to adopt a brand new terms of service violation policy called delegitimization which meant anything that undermined the perceived legitimacy of election outcomes or processes anything about it whatsoever that you thought might be fishy uh was considered to be a legitimization threat and they they targeted at that level. But this is how the military targets and coerces, both physically and psychologically, like hostile foreign combatants in Iraq and Afghanistan.

The fact that it's been brought fully back here is kind of shocking. It's something that we've been saying was going to happen ever since 2011 inside of the United States when the Republicans said, we need the Patriot Act. We need to watch everything you are doing. We need to violate the Constitution. We need to violate the Fourth Amendment. We need to rendition people. We need to send them over to CIA black sites where they get tortured.

We need to do this for your safety and well-being. And then, of course, myself and a lot of other independent journalists were screaming, hey, this power that they're grabbing right now for themselves is going to be ultimately used against everyone. And the war on terror has turned into the war on the American people. And it's clear as day. It's happening more than ever. It's very apparent. It's here. And it is kind of terrifying because it doesn't take a genius to realize that you're not the good guys when you

start to arrest your political opponents and lawyers. You're not the good guys when you censor speech. You're not the good guys when, of course, you use brute force to enforce your political views onto other individuals and then punish anyone who doesn't believe what you believe in. So I think this is a very interesting turning point in American history that is not for the best, in my opinion opinion let's jump to the story from newsweek exclusive donald trump followers targeted by fbi as 2024 election nears i just want to make sure we don't bury the lead right now and i can tell you that as 2024 begins the fbi is explicitly targeting opponents of the Democratic Party. That's all. That's what

they're saying right here. Here's the opening paragraph. The federal government believes the threat of violence and major civil disturbances around the 2024 presidential election is so great that it has quietly created a new category of extremists that has seeked to track and counter Donald Trump's army of MAGA followers. Donald Trump is the front runner for the Republican presidential nomination, and he is currently leading and favored to win the presidency based on the current polling. And they are saying his followers are extremists. The FBI and the federal government are right now siding with Democrats and accusing their opposition of being extremists. So we recently heard from Mike Cernovich, Scott Adams several years ago,

about the risk of what happens when things like this occur. This is the next step. This is the grain of sand in the heap. Right now, your federal government is accusing Trump supporters, half the country, of being extremists. Oh, I'm sure they'll make every excuse in the book. No, no, we just mean the extreme ones. Donald Trump has 75 million or so voters in 2020.

He has the polling lead right now. Which MAGA followers are you referring to? No, it's a blanket statement. And that's all of the people who are following Donald Trump. And, you know, of course, we know that the left wing apparatus only defines extremism in the most honest possible terms. They never throw that word. I mean, that's actually part of what's so beautiful about that word for propagandistic purposes. You don't really need to define it. What is an extremist?

Do any of you say you're extremely in favor of a particular position or you would employ extreme ends to bring your political goals to fruition. What exactly does it mean? And what it boils down to is this is a person who I don't like, who I think is a threat to my agenda in some way. And so I'm going to try to oust them from public life and the public discourse without giving you concrete reasons why. Yeah, I mean, I always try to use the term foreign policy establishment when breaking down these power dynamics for this, because this is not just the left, it's also the neocon wing of the right and that's sort of what's at stake both at the McCarthy thing. But a great example of this is the same day this came out, Chris Krebs, who is the head of the censorship division at DHS, who orchestrated the censorship of the 2020 election,

the tens of millions of posts that were censored because of DHS initiating this whole apparatus. He just came out as a national security expert and said that Russia's new plan is to target domestic political support for Ukraine to undermine it. So that is basically the national security state. And Chris Krebs recently partnered with two CIA directors on one of his new council initiatives. And he basically creating a russiagate predicate for saying if you domestically are are against more funding for ukraine you are echoing echoing putin talking points you're an asset witting or unwitting of russia and this justifies a counterintelligence predicate at the FBI to investigate you by itself because you are potentially abetting a hostile foreign nation state. This is very similar to what Cass Sunstein was writing about under the Obama administration,

where he literally wrote a paper saying how if there's any dissident theories about the U.S. government and our actions, we have to infiltrate those groups. We have to release disinformation. We have to use cone-toe probe-like tactics to make groups attack each other. And this really makes you wonder, you know, this was talked about and I think implemented under Barack Obama, who also weaponized information, who also passed many very interesting propaganda laws inside of the united states that could now be used for domestic purposes when we look at all of this i i think we're seeing a lot of the chaos especially within the republican party i think we're seeing a lot

of the disarray that we see on social media a lot of it i think is engineered i think it's organized and i think a lot of it is fake and meant for a particular outcome that outcome is to of course make sure no one is able to resist or speak out against the nonsense that they're trying to push on everyone yeah look what you just said there's like there's so much important stuff there because first of all cast sunstein that that that mem that memo cognitive infiltrative cognitive infiltration is what he's proposing anonymous federal agents to psychologically manipulate uh movements to get them to go in a certain direction. He then that year published a book called Nudge, which is actually the foundation for censorship techniques and so-called interventions on social media, which are

being funded to the tunes of tens of millions of dollars by a dozen different federal agencies for all these nudge techniques to get people to stop reading false and misleading news and to rig algorithms and to use AI machine learning techniques to be able to create topographical maps of misinformation communities. And Cass Sunstein, I believe, is currently at DHS. And his wife is Samantha Power, the head of USAID. And USAID is the largest facilit of of clandestine operation funding for the central intelligence agency and ukraine is the and us aid is is the premier u.s vehicle for capacity building in ukraine as well as in a bunch of other places us aid actually custom built the digital identity system called the called the dia app which was called a state and a

smartphone which was it was it was funded and developed by us aid as it to create a digital identity it basically a counterinsurgency tool for political dissidents in ukraine tying their social media to their bank accounts so that the u.s embassy there effectively has basically a heat map of when people are saying things online that might undermine the domestic consensus in ukraine against uh we'll just say a president who who may be influenced uh by by interest abroad yeah it's absolutely crazy how many underhanded techniques that they're using simultaneously while tracking everyone's viewpoints trap tracking everyone's opinion and then they're slowly nudging it in a direction that they want using simultaneously while tracking everyone's viewpoints, tracking everyone's opinion,

and then they're slowly nudging it in a direction that they want you to perceive, that they want you to think. And this is why I think we have to be very careful on, and think critically about what we see on social media algorithms, because those are also highly manipulated as Facebook works with the state department, works with Intel agencies to specifically curate information as they were even doing psychological uh studies there trying to manipulate people's emotions to see how far they could go just by simply uh deciding on what to show people and what not to show people i actually

talked to cast sunstein i brought his own document to him and i said look you're talking about doing all these covert underhanded really immoral things to control the narrative and the discourse in this country and he said I never said it I was like it's right here buddy he never and again totally denied it this is this is the game they play yep every you you these uh powerful governmental officials will say something publicly and then when it turns out bad they'll just just, I never said that, and that's, it's infuriating, but I guess all I can really say is that it's our job to get those videos and get those statements out to the public to prove they're liars. Oh, and a great example of this, you know, you can go to YouTube right now and type in the search term psychological vaccination,

which is a concept and a nudge technique, which is being funded to the tune of tens of millions by the State Department, the DOD, and the National Science Foundation. And you can see these government-funded, computational mad scientists for the purpose of censorship and stopping people from expressing populist political opinions.

And literally, they say that the goal is behavioral modification and psychological inoculation against misinformation and and they you know they have all these different techniques for doing it which involve basically weapons grade they call it pre-bunking but it's basically like the world's most um indefensible form of straw manning it's like we know they're going to be exposed to these arguments and they're probably gonna believe them because they're probably true but so what we need to do is well is before they hear them we're going to be exposed to these arguments, and they're probably going to believe them because they're probably true. But so what we need to do is before they hear them, we're going to expose them to a really stupid version of it. And we're going to force feed them the talking points just to show all the ways that a little incomplete version of that is.

Once they've absorbed that, we give them the next part in the argument. We strawman the ever-loving hell out of that. We give them talking points for that. They have this whole concept called media literacy or or digital literacy which is also getting tens of millions of dollars it's being rolled out in schools something called the sift method so that people don't even do critical thinking they just shift through the top 10 results of google and wikipedia i mean they're basically training a population but i just want to add to this really quickly because another way that they reinforce this is they have bots and sock puppet accounts that reinforce these particular ideas to gaslight people to believing something that they wouldn't naturally believe themselves because they're thinking and seeing on social media.

Everyone else likes this. Everyone else thinks this way. And that's how they manipulate the conversation, as well as also creating fake ideas that are crazy conspiracy theories in order to destroy an argument before it's even made. And we'll see in, say, like the New York Times, as you pointed out, the stupidest version of a story, someone on the right, typically it's how it goes, will say something like, you know, Donald Trump was proposing Congress pass a bill that would fund X amount of dollars. Then the New York Times will write, it is the stupidest idea in the world that we would have Donald Trump fund X plus Y amount of dollars. They add something slightly to it, which alters the idea.

They find the stupidest iteration. They find stupid people on Twitter or they fabricate the tweets themselves. And then you'll have something like conservatives are defending Donald Trump having, you know, kicked a dog. And then it'll be some random accounts with no followers saying Trump should kick dogs. And you're like, what? What? Who are these people then when it comes out that there's a bill being passed like end dog fighting or something the average person has already been exposed to a fake version of the story and they believe the fake version that's why ian brought this up yesterday he said as soon as he saw one story came out he knew he immediately had to call his mom and stop her

and tell her what was going on before she saw the fake news? Well, that's exactly it. Every single operative in the field of mis- and disinformation studies starts from a first premise, and they talk about this so openly, that if people are exposed to misinformation flush, if it hits them full on and there's not an intervention or some sort of filter or some sort, I mean, this is the whole reason that they started doing fact check affixing to social media posts, so that there was some sort of annotation so that you never got the opposing side's argument flush. It never landed completely because there was some way to add friction to it or some way that there was, you know, a ghost in the machine essentially telling you that's not really true, even though you're reading with your own eyes and this is now a technique rolled out at every level and it's getting so much funding i mean it's it's if north korea did this we would we would be shocked at even north korea's technical technological prowess

to achieve that kind of orwellian you know it's not even post-truth it's post-brainpower so debunking obviously so many people know that debunking is usually fake. They do this thing where they're like, this story's been debunked. And they don't even say, there's no fact-checking. There's no evidence. One day someone will say, Joe Biden did thing. And the media will say, debunked. And then it's like, how?

Where's your evidence? And they'll just say, oh, that story's been debunked. They will write every article saying, and the theory pushed by Republicans, which has been debunked, and it works. There's many stupid people who fall for it. This is not just them

trying to lie to the American people. It gets much bigger and much deeper than this. This is the promotion of mass hypnosis. This is the promotion of psychological warfare that's being waged on the American people without their consent to deny them the truth and the reality that they live in every single day. It's to preserve power. It's to allow the government to money or when they robbed you. You can't even dare to question or ask about it because you're going to have this artificial intelligence, psychological warfare and emotional manipulation gaslighting on your butt like white on rice

saying, no, you're a crazy conspiracy theorist. You need to be denied access to speech. You need to be downranked in the algorithm. And usually you are, which is absolutely freaking crazy. Yeah, I mean, so the media is really supposed to exist in order to solve a very serious and important problem, which is that there are many things happening in the world at any given moment which affect all of us, but that we simply do not have the time to gather the information about ourselves in order to make informed decisions about. Everyone in this room does this for a living, but your average person working a normal nine to five or even more hours than that does not have time to sit down and sift through all of the information about every relevant news story even those of us who do this for a living have to zero in on specific topics

of interest and become well versed in those because we can't know everything about everything that's happening in the news and that's why it's so important to have a media apparatus that you can trust but of course we don't have that in this country they've abused their power and they've used it in order to manipulate people so they throw information at you as you've all expressed and mentioned here which contains incorrect information or which simply labels information which is true as debunked with ever actually going into it. And of course, your average person, I mean, not only do they not have time, but even if they did have time, our brains are not designed for us to be able to endlessly sit in front of a screen and

sift through every story and retain all of the information and know whether or not we're being lied to. So there's an important role for media, and there's also a massive obligation, and they've totally failed to live up to it in any real sense. It's not just to manipulate people. It's to mind control people. And we have to understand a lot of people, even in the alternative media, a lot of people who are unsuspecting of this are probably already victims of it. Yeah, well, the less you realize that the media is trying to lie to you and manipulate

you, the more susceptible you're going to be to that manipulation. One thing I do find that's helpful if there's a particular story or there's a particular conservative talking point, for example, that the media is saying is untrue and it's far right and it's been debunked and it doesn't have to be a conservative one. It can literally be anything that the media is claiming isn't true. Go look at the debunking because what they'll usually do is centralize what they believe all of the best arguments against that story or position are. They'll put them in one place. They'll give you their most competent narrative spin. And usually even that is very easy

to see through. That's one thing I've done in the past when I'm researching stories. I will look up the articles fact-checking the story. And if you can immediately see through the fact-check, that's a good indicator that they're lying to you. Here's another way. They don't have good arguments. PolitiFact famously had two quotes, one from Bernie Sanders and one from Donald Trump, which were effectively the exact same quote. And Bernie's was labeled mostly true and Trump's was labeled mostly false. That's right. They had made a comment about the unemployment rate

for, I think it was black, young black men, being around like 50% or some very high number. Political fact, Bernie Sanders, mostly true. Donald Trump, same quote, mostly false. Because what is mostly true or mostly false means? It's nothing, it's nebulous. Well, it means useful to the regime or harmful to the regime, and even even more shocking like these the fact-checking industry isn't is entirely

government sponsored politic fact gets money from the u.s state department pointer gets has like 65 government grants this is the national security it's state itself setting up these gargoyles within the news media ecosystem to censor the ability to proliferate ideas that might challenge the national security state's agenda and if we're supposed to have a civilian run government but you now have this kind of quasi-military statecraft intelligence apparatus that if the people want to vote for something that they would have to be beholden to they can end before it by basically blocking the ability to politically organize or to form a consensus because they can't even speak the words to make the point i want to jump to the story from newsweek donald trump's properties will likely be auctioned off

attorney says so where are we where are we are we currently? We're at the point where the former president has been is facing 91 indictments. He's been charged. He is facing, I guess, the rest of his life in prison. His lawyers are facing several. It could be decades in prison. They're sanctioning other lawyers who made arguments on his behalf. They're targeting Trump supporters as MAGA extremists. The FBI is targeting Trump's supporters. If you're a Trump voter or Trump follower, you're an extremist, according to the FBI. This is a leap from where we've seen it before.

And now we're hearing that after a judge summarily ruled that Donald Trump must dissolve the Trump organization and several New York companies, a former attorney out of New York is saying that likely what they'll do is they're going to liquidate and auction off his properties. Donald Trump's properties will likely be liquidated and sold off at auction after a judge found he committed fraud, New York's former assistant attorney general has said. So it's not just some attorney, it's the former assistant attorney general. Tristan Snell was speaking after a court found that the former president had massively inflated the values of his properties and ordered that some Trump companies involved be stripped of their corporate licenses. Quote, the worst outcome that could have come from this case has already been handed down. And that is for the corporate

licenses to be canceled. The properties are likely going to be liquidated. The properties are probably going to be sold at auction. That's probably what is going to happen. We don't know that for sure, but that is probably where this is headed. So Trump is already really, really in trouble. Did the courts prove that Donald Trump committed fraud? They didn't. The AG said, here's our argument. Donald Trump's team said, we have an argument. And the judge said, I don't care. Bang the gavel, summary judgment. You did commit fraud because I said so. That's it. Luke, I'm with you. Make this man Speaker of the House.

Now they could effectively seize and auction off his properties and just strip him of his wealth. You know, I don't view Donald Trump as doing all of this for himself in terms of financial gain because he ain't getting it. He's losing it. But I wonder if Donald Trump is doing this for himself in terms of financial gain because he ain't getting it. He's losing it.

But I wonder if Donald Trump is doing this for himself because he is filled with a blind rage and wants revenge. And I'll take it. Yeah, I mean, look, he knows that these people have done basically everything to try to screw him over and screw the American people over. And it's very important for the powers that be that you as an average person watching what's happening in the media know that this is what happens to people who stand up to them this is what people

who are a thorn in the side of the establishment are going to have to go to in present day america it's a very sad situation and we have to pray for him he's really going through a lot and i genuinely do believe that regardless of whether i agree with him on everything, and there are certainly things I disagree with him about, that he's doing a lot of this because he is angry with the injustices that the American people have faced at the hands of the establishment over the past several decades. Kyle Serafin made a joke once that there's so many stacking human rights violations in this country now that the country we used to live in would do a land invasion of the country we currently live in? No, I mean, there's some truth in that. And when you look specifically at what's happening to Donald Trump, I think part of me wonders, you mentioned earlier that the system is attacking him right now, and he is the lead candidate running for president

right now. I think those two things, while certainly being correlated, it's difficult for me to suss out whether that relationship is necessarily causal. And I don't know that you were implying that it was, but on some level, it seems to me important to them to go after the frontrunner if the frontrunner is challenging the establishment. On the other hand, I also wonder, even if Trump was in last place, they would still be doing this because they have to punish those who stand up to the regime. In many ways, this is what I'm sorry. No, no, no, no. Well, let me just make one point. I think

you made a very interesting kind of observation, because I do think if the United States saw what was happening inside of the United States, they would invade the United States in order to restore democracy and rule of law. So it's a little bit ridiculous. Again, I've been a critic of Donald Trump, but this is clear political prosecution. This is clearly them doing everything in their power to try to stop him. And the more that they do that,

the more popular he becomes. The more people support him in the polls, the more people want him to become president of the United States. At what point do they realize that whoever they they're trying to stop they're also growing at the same time exactly and that goes hand in hand with what i was saying earlier if it was the other way around right and the media was talking about how trump uh actually did nothing wrong and the system was going after him for unjust reasons then maybe the american people wouldn't support

him i think it's a combination of factors people don't trust the media anymore this goes uh this goes hand in hand with what i was saying earlier about the fact that when their apparatus for propagandizing people fails they have to use force i mean he is ahead in the polls all of the the slander has not been effective at reducing his popularity. And so this is what they need to do. Mar-a-Lago is not worth $20 million. That is an absurdity on its face. As a business alone with no real estate assets, it's generating more than that per year.

The real estate alone, even if you want to argue that it's got covenants or tenants restricting its use in certain ways, it is still 17 and a half acres. The judge is lying. These people are evil and they are psychotic. And what they are doing to Trump to seize his properties, to seize his money, is communism 101. If this really comes down to it, that they cancel the license of Trump's companies, they lose on appeal, and then they, what, liquidateate and auction them off at what, pennies on the dollar to strip Trump of his net worth. Welcome to a whole new ballgame, ladies and gentlemen. There's no way this judge is so stupid. He doesn't know that he's lying.

He's just evil. Well, you know, for your average person looking at this again, they see Donald Trump, an actual billionaire being handled in this way by the system. And I think it could cause them to despair to go, well, if he's not able to get through this, right, if he's not able to leverage the economic power that he has to escape this kind of political prosecution, what hope is there for me? Yeah, in many respects, what we're seeing is, is actually worse than an assassination. We've had assassinations in this country we've actually

never had presidents uh indicted like this and and having their entire lives destroyed via these liquidations and these gangbang of lawsuits from every direction uh but the fact is is when jfk got assassinated or when abe lincoln got assassinatedinated, there was not an attempt to say this is a legitimate course of action. You could say this is a tragedy, this is horrible, but it's a one-off thing that doesn't actually make me entirely lose faith in the legitimacy of the system because it wasn't system approved. What we're seeing now is effectively an assassination. And don't kid yourself. He's facing 750 years in prison. That's death. That is capital punishment.

And, I mean, that's, it's only 25 years for first-degree murder. And he's facing 750 without even, on totally novel legal theories. So what they are doing to the perceptions of legitimacy in this country by doing it this way is honestly an order of magnitude more shocking. I wasn't alive for whatever was experienced during JFK, but I have to imagine that, I mean, how can anyone here forget this for the rest of their lives? And there's always going to be a degree of cold anger about what they've done to this guy just for running for office.

Well, so here's the question for you guys. And maybe this is just a question of whether you see the glass half full or half empty, whether you're an optimist or pessimist. But do you think that this is going to terrify people and make them feel afraid to do anything because Trump can't escape these charges and they'll feel like they can? Or do you think this is going to edify people? This is going to make them angrier with the system. This is going to make them want to stand up to the powers that be? I don't think either. I think regular people are starting to get

scared. They don't want to stand up to anybody. They want to be left alone. I'm hanging out with some regular folks on the weekends, just apolitical, nothing to do with this, playing at the old poker tables. And some lib guy said, I hate Donald Trump,

but trying to get him off the bat, this is getting insane. And I've heard sentiment like this quite a bit from regular people who are just like, I don't like Donald Trump. I can't stand that guy. But man, this is getting crazy. And if you look at that perspective

and then go back to, say, 2020 or 2019, I heard from a lot of people saying things like, I just want it all to stop. Donald Trump won't shut his mouth. He's so annoying. A lot of people felt that everything happening in the culture war and in politics was the fault of Donald Trump.

Yep. And that if they just voted for Biden, it would all stop. And it would go back to us just plugging our ears and watching sports and letting Obama blow up kids and no one has to pay attention. And then it got worse. Not only did it get worse, the economy got worse. And now they won't stop. Trump isn't even president anymore. And they're trying to put him in prison. They're

trying to seize his properties. And I think now what you're starting to see from regular people who thought voting for Biden would get them out of this is these people who got rid of Trump, they're making it 10 times worse. And now it's getting very scary. And I think a lot of these people might actually end up voting for Trump in fear, thinking we need someone to stop the extremism. And it's certainly that we were wrong. Yeah. Voting for Joe Biden exacerbated the problem. So, yeah. Well, I'll let you guys respond first before I interject with my point. Do you think this is going to make people more afraid? Do you think this is going to make people more afraid? Do you think this is going to edify them?

I think looking at the poll numbers, I think a lot of people are saying, I'm just going to support this guy. I think we're also reaching a situation where a lot of people are having their lives upended under this economy. I think inflation has a big deal to have this kind of sentiment of people being pissed off, people saying, hey, everything I had, everything I wanted to achieve in this life is becoming less and less achievable. Groceries are becoming more and more expensive under this administration. And now they're doing a huge power grab where they are trying to put their main political opponent in jail. This is a bad sign for me. This is a bad sign for my country, for my children. And I think a lot of them are concerned.

I think a lot of them are also reaching a point where they're encroaching such poverty that they just don't give a damn. They don't care. They're pissed off. I think a lot of these people probably won't vote for Trump, but they certainly won't vote for Biden or whoever the Democrat is because they're going to be thinking in their mind, I did this last time and it got worse. I'm just leave me alone, please. I'm scared. Yeah. I mean, one thing I would say to anyone who's afraid of standing up to the system in any kind of meaningful way because of what's happening to Donald Trump is that when you appease the left, you show them that the tactic that they're using works and they double down. They only get worse. Yeah. It's like a little kid screaming for ice cream. Exactly. If the kid has

a temper tantrum and the mom's like, OK, OK, you can have more ice cream. It's like a little kid screaming for ice cream. If the kid has a temper tantrum and the mom's like, okay, okay, you can have more ice cream. It's like, well, the kid's going to keep screaming. They will never stop. The radical left doesn't go, okay, we got everything we wanted at this point. We're going to stop for a while. This was the line. We're good. Thank you, everybody.

You gave us what we want, so we're going to go away now. We got halfway to communism and we're going to stop here. Thank you for your time. Even when they do get to communism, and we're going to stop here. And thank you for your time. And then even when they do get to communism, they'll say, well, this is not a perfectly functioning communist system because you're hiding some grain and feeding it to your family. So we have to keep pushing the ball. No, in reality, they show up to your house when there's rumors that you have a chicken or that your chicken died. And this is true in North Korea. I did a documentary

with Vice about North Korea, interviewed some people who had actually driven through it, and they explained how if a cow dies, you can't touch it. The state has to come and take the beef

and distribute it evenly among all the people, which usually doesn't happen. Usually what ends up happening is it gets stolen. It gets sent off to the fat cats and the people in power but if you secretly take that animal and eat it they'll they'll put you in the gulag and what they said was sometimes the local because everybody has to join the military locals will keep it a secret and then hide the animal and hope nobody finds out

or they'll bribe the local you know military guy or guard or whatever and, we'll give you some beef if you just don't say it happened. Exactly. So this is one of the massive flaws with communism. And this is one thing I try to help people understand. It is true that capitalism can result in a disordered centralization of property. But the problem is communism results in a centralization of property rights. A small number of people get to own things because they're connected to certain government officials, or they're powerful enough bureaucrats, or they're able to do favors for the right people in the proper positions of power to get themselves whatever it is that they're after. And everyone else has no ability to own anything. They have

no say, they have no control, they have nothing to show for their labor. Well, I got bad news on that front about the situation here, because the backbone of our interstate commerce law is a case called Wickard versus Filburn, which was a case that prohibited a farmer from being able to grow beyond a certain amount of food crop on his own property because of its impact on interstate commerce. I mean, when you mentioned the cow, I thought, well, you know, call that grain. And, you know, that's actually the architecture of all of these restrictions on personal freedom on grounds of, well, it impacts interstate commerce. And thus, it's almost like for the collective good, there are these limitations.

And I'm not even saying that that's, you know, there is a school of thought, there is something to that, but, you know, there's a lot of similarities to foreign tyrannical systems that... That are very close to this one that we're living under right now especially when you look at what monsanto did with its seeds and its pollination that they were able to of course force on local farms and then slowly surely take them over and tax and regulate them so so clearly this is a hijacked system that just makes up the rules

and laws whenever they want and this is something that I've been saying for a very long time. There's counties right now in the United States where you can't even collect rainwater. You can't even grow your own food. You can't even have a chicken. And that, to me, is absolutely absurd. Yep. So,

it was the cow in North Korea? Well, that was just one story I heard. But, that's communism, man. You know, right now you've got the AOC wanting to increase tax on the top 5% of income earners in New York City, arguing that, well, it's all the rich people. The issue is the top 5% of income earners in New York City make about $250,000 a year. That's good money. I'm not saying these people are by any means broke.

But we're not talking about the 1% anymore. $250,000 a year, that's good money. I'm not saying these people are by any means broke. But we're not talking about the 1% anymore. What's happening is as the wealthy leave, the tax base flees, and wealthy people pay the bulk of tax revenue, the bulk of taxes. So when you start cranking up taxes, and New York City is already super expensive because they have a city income tax, wealthy people seeing crime basically ask themselves, why am I paying a 4% premium to live in a city that is worse than most other places? They don't. They leave.

Now, all of a sudden, you're losing all this tax revenue. The city gets strained. Services get worse. So what do they do? They reach deeper down to the bottom of the barrel. Now they're saying not the 1%, not saying the five percent this means that if you're a dude who makes 130k a year and you marry a woman you both work full-time and you're making 250k as a married couple she wants to tax you more the average rent for a one-bedroom in new york city is like four grand so you're going to have about 8 000 leftover and that's not disposable you got to pay for your food you got to pay for

utilities you got to pay for fuel you got to pay public transport whatever that may be and to pay for fuel. You got to pay public transport, whatever that may be. And then let's say, well, health care, of course. It's going to be another thousand bucks or more. Then you got to pay if we don't have a family. OK, well, you're going to end up with a couple thousand bucks per month for savings or something like that. And again, I'm not saying these people are hurting. What's happening now is that's like what was supposed to be middle class. Having a little bit left over so you can plan a vacation for the end of the year

and have a retirement account. AOC is targeting the people who are just barely past this threshold in New York City under the assumption that what? It's all a bunch of single childless millennials who are making 250K and they got to pay more in taxes? Yeah, well, I mean, even so, yeah, 250K is a lot of money,

but the government is taking in plenty of money right now when they waste it. And there's actually some evidence that the government taking in more money results in an increase in debt because statistical trends show that historically for every dollar the government gets in revenue, it spends $1.33. So this is something we've seen repeatedly over time. They get more money and then they spend more.

We saw this with the Trump tax cuts, as a matter of fact. The left kept arguing Trump cut taxes and we saw a decrease in revenue. That's not true. We actually saw a five percent increase in revenue as a result of his tax cuts because the economy became more productive because more people were working because they got to keep more of their income. And so even off of smaller assessments, even off of a lower tax rate, the government was generating more revenue. The problem is spending increased 10 percent when that revenue increase went up 5% and so we did end up with more of a deficit after the Trump tax cuts right but it wasn't because we lost revenues because they spent all of the revenue gains but my point is expect

them to keep digging deeper and yes absolutely after this they're gonna say the top 10% of income earners yep and then eventually the top 10% of income earners. Yep. And then eventually, the top 10% of income earners are going to be making $10 more than the average income earner. When they flatten income and everyone in New York is only making $15 an hour, who will be the top 1%? There won't be one. Well, I guess there will be. It'll be you. You will all be the high end. You'll be making $16 an hour and you'll be the 1% and they're going to tax you for it.

So abolish the IRS, right? This is state. This is city. Let's go back to it. So abolish the IRS, right? This is state. This is city. Let's go back to 1913. This is a city, though. This is New York City. New York City tax, state tax, and federal tax is what people have to deal with there, and on average pay around, I think, close to, what, 50% of their income, of their personal profits

that they, of course, worked hard for. Why work? Why work when the government's taken more than half of it? Exactly. And not just why work, but why stay? Why not go to a more rational state? New York is not exactly in a good negotiating position right now to start asking the people living there for more money.

Do you guys remember that story? I don't know if it's true or not, but it's a good story. This woman had a viral TikTok where she explained a professor was talking about capitalism and communism and issued a wager to the students saying, we'll try out communism everybody will take their final or their their midterm or whatever and then we'll average out the grades and give everyone an equal grade and they and you know a bunch of people are like

no no we don't do that but yeah okay let's do it one of the happenings the people who busted their asses and studied and and you know hit the nail on the head with the hammer ended up getting b's and the people who did barely anything well this is great i got a b then the people who did really well and held the average high said what was the point of doing all that work if i ended up not even getting ahead because of it i just wasted my time for no reason so what happened the next time they they ended up doing some you know the next test that came around everyone ended up getting a c now everyone's pissed off and complaining about how this is running. And then the next test, everyone failed because everyone started saying, what's the point of working if I'm not going to get ahead because of it? Why would I hurt myself and struggle and not be rewarded for it? And that's the problem of communism. It's not so much. I certainly think there are Marxists and communists who want to foment the system. But I think when you look at what AOC represents, there is a banality of communism. There is think that's evil, but I also think she's really stupid. So what ends up happening is, what is she saying now? She signed onto a pledge from the Democratic Socialists to raise, they want taxes raised

on the top 5% of New York, and that's where we're at. Ten years ago, it was the 1%. Now it's the 5%. When there's no one left to tax, you have to tax everyone else. It's easy to say the 1%. They raise the taxes. Now, the 1% leaves, revenue goes down, the 5%,

then the 10, then the 20, then the 25, then the top 50%. Then it's class war. Then it's just people fleeing and you get open air drug markets. You get exactly what we're seeing now. And once the system breaks, they then come in and say, give us absolute control to solve this problem.

We need to come in with strong military force and security to clean up the streets. Give us the power. Well, of course, the irony is that the more they tax people, once they hit that revenue maximizing point in the Laffer curve and continue to go further, which they, I would argue, have long ago. An increase in taxes actually starts to result in less revenue in certain circumstances. So when things get really bad and they start dipping lower and lower and say top 10%, top 20%, et cetera, what happens is not only do they start taking in less revenue because people leave the city or they aren't working as hard or more people lose their job or employers can't afford to continue to hire people, then the government has less revenue. And more of that revenue ends up being spent on the corrupt bureaucrats who are sabotaging the system and trying to pull from it as much as they possibly can before it totally collapses.

So the people get a whole lot less. People like AOC and these leftists they don't understand how taxes work raising taxes decreases tax revenue and if you're a first order thinker and not very bright you go huh it's kind of like the people on twitter who are like uh food comes from the store dude it's like no food comes from a variety of places first there's a farm then there is a distribution then then there's packaging right it goes through a lot of different phases before it finally makes it to your store. But the reason raising taxes typically will decrease tax revenue, if you have a dollar and tax is 5 cents, 5%, and I give someone the dollar, they got to give a nickel to the government, but they still have 95 cents.

So they trade that 95 cents, and now someone's going to give, you know, 4.8 or whatever, whatever the math is another fraction. So the government in these two transactions ends up getting slightly more than the one transaction. The simple way it works is if you tax someone at 50% and then someone trades their dollar, you take half of it, then the next person only has 50 cents, they can't afford to buy anything

so they sit on it. The government made 50 cents. If the tax is lower, everyone keeps trading all the way around it. The government made 50 cents. If the tax is lower, everyone keeps trading all the way around until they get down to 50 cents, and the government has taken a slightly higher percentage. So, the easiest way to explain this is, the story I was told was that there was a Home Depot

in Cook County, Illinois, that shut down and reopened in DuPage County, like five miles away, and they spent a couple million dollars to do this. And the reason was, when the county raised taxes by, I think, like five miles away, and they spent a couple million dollars to do this. And the reason was when the county raised taxes by, I think, like 0.2% or something, like 0.02%, some tiny number, if you're talking about a fraction of a percent, but you're spending millions of dollars on supplies and orders through Home Depot for your contracting

work, you can save a couple hundred bucks or a couple thousand dollars. You will drive a couple miles per day to pick up your supplies. It doesn't matter that much. So what ends up happening is they raise taxes, trade drops off. Now the government's getting a percent. 50% of zero is zero, whereas 5% of a dollar is five cents. You'd rather have the five cents. But this is what they do.

This is where we're going. Absolutely. And I also want to point something out here about AOC. Tim, you mentioned that it's, what, 200,000 or more per year? 250. so 250. uh aoc uh makes what 175 000 a year and she was complaining that it was unacceptable that she had 17 000 in student debt if you're making 175 000 a year and you're a single person you don't have children you don't have depend, then you should be able to handle $17,000 in debt, right? We're talking $175,000 a year. That's a lot of money, bro. But she's saying- Bro, bro, bro, bro, bro, bro, bro, bro, bro, bro, bro, bro, bro, bro, bro, bro, bro, bro, bro, bro,

come on. Okay? She has a Tesla. You're right. She got to pay that off. Yeah, no, exactly. So my point is she can't afford this 17,000 a year, even though she makes, or not 17,000 a year, 17,000 total in debt when she has $175,000 coming in each year. And she's going to sit here and lecture us about how people could be paying more money for social programs that they didn't sign up for when she chose to take that debt out herself. I will say, to be fair, Teslas actually aren't that expensive. Not as expensive as they used to be. Yeah. I think she's like a model three and it's like $30,000, which is crazy to think because... That's unacceptable

that she owes $30,000 on that. No, no, it's crazy that cars have gotten that expensive. The cost of cars is nuts right now. It's great that Elon Musk is dropping the prices

of all the Teslas repeatedly, but it's crazy when you go to dealerships and you see the inventory's gone and the price is through the roof. Yeah, you'll live in the pod and you'll eat the bugs, you'll own nothing and you'll the inventory is gone and the price is through the roof. Yeah. They, they, they, you're, you're, you'll live in the pod and you'll eat the bugs.

You'll own nothing and you'll be happy. Delicious. And I, I, I, Jen, I really, I don't see how we avoid the living in the pod and eating the bugs thing.

Yeah. Do you think only the rich will eat meat? Nope. Nope. I think you're going to be at a restaurant and you're going to be sitting there talking with your friends and laughing. You're going to look over the menu and you're going to say, I'll do the, I'll do the Branzino. And they're going to be at a restaurant and uh you're going to be sitting there talking with your friends and laughing you're going to look over the menu and you're going to say i'll do the i'll do the branzino and they're going to go excellent choice sir and then they're going to

walk out with a plate full of mashed roaches and they're going to put it down you're gonna go ah neural link on the fritz and you're going to flick it and then go whoop and then you're going to see the roaches turn into a branzino so you you are actually, so someone's going to be like, I'll do the flourless chocolate cake with the vanilla ice cream. Excellent. And they're going to bring out cockroach mash. And they're going to put it in front of you. And you won't see that. You will see chocolate cake.

And you'll be, you know, eating it like, oh, it's so delicious. And then anybody without the Neuralink, they're going to see the roach legs smattered to your face. And the roach gunk on your face. Licking it off. Is there any traction? They don't even need to go that far. They get people to call men, women all the time. They've just changed our vernacular so much

and put social pressure on people to not disagree with them when they state obvious mistruths. Yeah. I got a bone to pick out all of your vernaculars because you guys have been saying theft wrong this whole time. Okay.

And, and, and this theft is so insidious. There's, there's property theft. There's sales theft. There's restaurant theft. There's hotel theft. There's so much theft going on right now that, that it's absolutely disgusting because it stops the free market for one being free, but also stops individuals from solving problems and being there for each other and communities and robbing them of any freedom.

Back to the point. I don't think necessarily it'll be Neuralink. I don't know. I think if they get to the point where Neuralink can be wireless, this will happen. But my point is right now, Taco Bell near me, we were flying back and we were driving past Taco Bell and Seamus insisted that we live mas. I said, we have to live mas right now. You guys are sick of this. Pull over. We have to live mas.

And we did. Seed oil guzzlers. We're dead. You were literally drinking seed oil earlier. Yes, okay. So anyway, we went there. On another trip, we went inside, not with Seamus this time, and it was kiosks. There were human beings behind the counter, but they're just making food, and you go to a kiosk to order.

Give it 10 or 20 years, you're going to walk into Taco Bell, and it's going to say, you're going to type in, I'll do a cheesy gordita crunch, extra sauce, checkout, and it's going to say NeuralPay. And you're going to be like, there's nobody here. There's no humans. I don't have NeuralPay, I only have my credit card on me. And it's going to say we no longer accept credit cards at this time. You either get it or you don't. I've thought about something weirdly a lot, and I'm curious for your guys' opinion on it.

What happens to the ad tech world in a fully saturated Neuralink world in the sense that, you know, like Google AdWords totally changed the way search happened on the internet because it all became all about the word you're searching for and you monetize the specific words. Billions of dollars of advertising go into bidding on words. When the interface moves from words to thoughts. It's like I can almost... It's still words, though. But I can imagine, but those are going to get tagged to basically like neural activity. And you're going to have signatures of neural activity associated with those words. You're going to basically have bidding on neural signatures very directly.

I think the bigger issue with Neuralink advertising is going to be the discovery of, we already know this, but the degrees of cognitive faculties, I suppose. I don't want to say IQ necessarily, but there are different metrics by which we assess an individual's brain capacity. IQ being one of them. There's also visualization examples. The one where they show an apple and they say, when you think of an apple, what do you see? And then the first one is a vivid, photorealistic apple. The next one is a

flat, two-dimensional apple. The next one is a black and white outline. And the next one is nothing. And there are a lot of people who have responded to these saying, like, you can see an apple when you think it. Some people can't. Some people report not having an inner monologue. And I've met people.

They say that they don't have an inner monologue. And I'm like, so what do you think when you think? Like if you're not thinking in pictures, words, sounds, and like visualization, what are you thinking? And they're like, I don't know. Just thoughts, I guess. What I've experienced in talking to people about this is that some people think in pictures, some people think in sounds, some people think in images of the words themselves, and some people report none of this. Some people in their minds are talking to themselves as they think, and some people are not. Some people have multi-track minds, and some people don't.

So when it comes to Neuralink, and they begin to try and track your brain activity for ads, it's going to be interesting when they find people who get into Neuralink, they're going to say, and whether you want them to or not, these AI companies,

these big tech companies, if Neuralink-type devices, human-brain-computer interfaces become ubiquitous, they will absolutely track your cognitive level. It's going to be like the human genome project, but for

neural activity. To create a comprehensive map of all the different words, phrases, ideas. It'll be able to track dissonant groups by the signatures of... Easily. You know, it's... The crazy thing is... Very you seen uh have you seen captain america winter soldier uh scenes of it this is the movie where there's a secret conspiracy

government conspiracy to uh mass execute dissident thinkers and the the the plan is to launch gigantic warships that will instantly target anyone who is deviant and execute them instantly with a bunch of guns, with just like hail of gunfire. It's the AI. An AI will know you are going to vote for Trump before you even consider voting for Trump yourself. It's the Dia app we installed in Ukraine. I mean, in a sense.

Facebook knows when you poop. Facebook knows when you're going to go to the bathroom before you even know you're going to go to the bathroom. Because AI, it's truly remarkable. It sees things that we don't notice. Right? When you go outside and you look at the, actually, one of my favorite points to be made to people, there's two stories. The one is the Native Americans on the islands in the Caribbean, in the Bahamas, could not see Christopher Columbus's ships.

Their ships were on the horizon, headed towards the the island and they didn't know it was happening. Despite them being there, visible, plain to any human, they did not register until there was like an elder or shaman who was sitting there watching the waves and then one day looked up and said, there's a very large boat. And they were like, what? Where? Right there. See it?

And they were like, no, I don't see it. That thing right there. Do you see it? And they're like, I can't see anything. This is a very large boat. And they were like, what? Where? Right there. See it? And they were like, no, I don't see it. That thing right there. Do you see it? Like, I can't see anything. This is a story they tell. And the reason they say that the elders were able to notice it is because many of these tribes and different civil societies would map waves by looking by tracking the direction of the wave. You actually know where islands are and whether our other land masses are so when these big ships are creating wake and creating waves the the the masters were like hey wait a minute something's there but it wasn't within

their their comprehension so what i like to do is when i'm driving in the middle of nowhere and there is like a a plane or whatever let's say we're driving in rural illinois through the midwest as soon as i see a cell phone tower, I would always ask one of my friends, I'm like, what do you see right now? And they would go, what, where? And I'd be like, right now, right now, just tell me everything you've seen, like grass in the street, the road, I don't know what you're talking about. And I'm like, what else do you see?

What is right in front of us? What is right there? I'm like, dude, there's nothing. What are you talking about? I'm like, the giant 40 foot cell phone tower right there. And they're like, oh, I didn't notice. Most people don't even notice when they're driving past cell phone towers. It's out of sight, out of mind. This kind of thing blows my mind. Now, consider that as we enter the next phase of brain-computer interface, what we're going to be tracking in people's minds,

what AI can notice that you can't. If we can't even see a giant tower in front of us because it's immaterial to us, so we don't even register it, and we don't remember it being there, think about all of the things we miss every single day. Oh, yeah. You run these through AI,

man, they're going to be able to accurately predict weather perfectly. Like right now, it's like, well, there's a front coming in here, so this usually means weather, and there's like an accuracy, and it's like we think it might rain. No, they're going to be able, not only that, with a true masterful like quantum AI, they will be able to butterfly effect a hurricane.

They'll be able to track the entire global patterns by collecting all the data, and then look at all the variables and weed it down to like, how did this hurricane form right here? And they say, okay, we can see that stuff. It's going to be nuts. Yeah, I was just going to say, they won't be able to just predict. They'll be able to manipulate and create a lot of the stuff that we're having to deal with. And, you know, a lot of people talk about, you know, weather modification being crazy.

There's already a science to this. The Chinese government is already using this. And that's one element of this that doesn't even have to do with the social aspect of this. It doesn't have to do with the psychological aspect of this, as, of course, the manipulation that is already underway probably involves components of artificial intelligence as we speak right now i don't know i don't know about you but but i i think there's uh the possibility of a bigger conspiracy here and and the possibility of a lot of technology that we're not even aware of already at use manipulating our thoughts and ideas as we speak right now what do you think well i mean just as a threshold thing we're i was thinking about robot dogs recently. You know, those like black mirror dogs have gotten rolled out to like, you know, now just like regular city streets from time to time and are always sort of threatening to be the next sort of digital robocop to replace street cops.

And I was thinking about that recently. There's so much corruption in the justice department now and there's so much like there's so many civil rights abuses from the national security state and law enforcement and other branches of government that it's almost like well pick your own adventure story but for dystopia it's like in a way they've made things so bad in the analog sphere that you almost welcome the order of some of these digital things because you know against the people who just want you dead because of your political opinions you don't have a chance i'd almost rather have like an ai judge uh than the guy that uh that you know trump's up against who like starts the hearing by smirking for the camera or against an attorney

general like Letitia James who literally campaigned on indicting someone and is not recusing. The problem is as we talk about digital dystopia, the problem is the analog dystopia is so bad now that

we're already at 11 i mean this is this is break already i want to ask you because you were at the state department how far does the rabbit hole go how bad is the u.s government oh well we're gonna we're gonna we're gonna need a couple years bad. Like, what do you mean specifically? Right. Like, like how evil and competent. How what's your assessment from the inside of the State Department? How much of it is malicious? How much of it is just following orders? How much of it is just ignorance? And how sophisticated and complicated it does it get?

And are we even able to imagine how bad it gets? My colleagues at the State Department were actually some of the smartest people I met in government and outside of government. There is an animating spirit of Machiavellian world conquest that permeates that institution in a way that it doesn't at HUD or even at the White House. There is a sense of the bigness of the world and the interconnectedness 2016 election happened and the national security state which had always you know come home in so many ways you know i mean you can make an argument that even the martin luther king stuff and a lot of the co-intel pro stuff was a proxy attack on the vietnam war you know they don't the fbi only got the counterintelligence predicate on him because of him being backed by stanley levisonison, who was said to be a sort of communist Soviet.

And you had DOD and CIA involvement in that FBI activity as well. There was always sort of a crackdown on this, but what they've done in the modern era has actually shook my... I used to think that we've got this Department of Dirty Tr tricks that we started to set up after World War II. In the 1947 act, we create the CIA. We change the name of the War Department to the Defense Department to make it sound like we're not doing war. We create this entire NGO swarm army. We create these incredible embeddings between the national security state and the media, a soft power projection apparatus that could effectively control the political economies of any country we capacity build. And, but there was always sort of a sense, well, it's,

it's, it's for the benefit of the people who live here. The bigger the American empire gets, the better off Americans are. More jobs are, you know, if, if Chevron does well, well, that's more people who's got jobs in Texas and in and uh in oklahoma you know if um if pepsi cola does well you know that's more for shipping or manufacturing there was this there was at one point there was a connective tissue between the people who live here and the empire abroad and at some point you know pick your your evolution point in globalization you know whether that was you know evolution point in globalization, you know, whether that was, you know, in the 70s, whether that was in the 90s, when the offshoring really hit the hay and, you know, China joined the WTO and cheap labor. There were so many different points of departure

from that. But now it's almost completely removed. And there's no better example than that, of that than what's happening with the Biden family in Ukraine. I mean, it is like a State Department operation to help a very small number of economic stakeholders. And by the way, I'm not even making a formal opinion on this. I understand both sides of the Ukraine-Russia thing. That's not my bag, so to speak. I just care about freedom the internet but you but in order to understand why it is that you get censored for talking about ukraine stuff or political movements who are proxies for that get censored is because you now have a state department vested interest in censoring u.s american voices because if they if if they get a matt gates in as speaker or if they get if they get a sufficient enough caucus in the House Appropriations Committee to be able to kill funding, then there goes the war effort.

When then there goes the ability for Burisma to monetize the shale in the eastern region, or Chevron, Halliburton, Shell, and Exxon, which all have billion-dollar gas contracts with the Ukrainian government. to the ukrainian government all of that goes away if if american people have sovereign capacities to think for themselves and decide with those free thoughts to enact to to have political representation that votes for that so there's this is there's no after smith month was modernized and after you know after there's been no oversight uh there's no justice department pushback we're now in a brave new world where you know it's it's the state department's pushback we're now in a brave new world where you know it's it's the state department's world and we're living in it very well said i like how you said stakeholders at the state department because they're supposed to be representing the american people and they're clearly not um are you familiar with john perkins and confessions

of an economic hitman and uh one to ten how accurate is it well you know it's this is one of these things i you know my responsibility was cyber you know i i didn't i wasn't in control like a regional desk i didn't do like you know ce or or mean or like or middle east north africa i it was you know i was focused on on on internet um but you know the fact is is is what's reflected in there you know there's actually almost no better example of the validity of the John Perkins sort of theory of the world than a little operation known as the Integrity Initiative, which was a busted British intelligence operation starring folks like Anne Applebaum, Nina Jankovic, Bill Browder, Ben Nim nimmo all these people who became the captains of censorship of the american internet uh who had these links to british intelligence and were also many of them were board members several of them on the national endowment for democracy which is one of the country's oldest cia cutouts they embarked in a basically internet censorship campaign in the name

of stopping russian uh r Russian propaganda after the after after the Crimea annexation in 2014 and they one of the things so it was run by a guy Christopher Donnelly Connolly who was former mi6 high-ranking British military guy and one of the internal documents and videos that came out in the leaks was countering the talking points related to the John Perkins sort of acolytes that actually the British state was doing this according to a very predictable playbook. But the fact is, these weren't like random activists or college professors saying this. These were former super heavyweight apex predators of the national security state plotting operations to stop the populace from believing a theory in a book that makes them look bad.

I mean, this is this is organized political warfare turned domestically. And anytime I see that, I trust the target of that far more than the, than the prosecutor. Yes. Should we go to super chats? Cause it's already nine. Nobody wanted to add to that. I do,

but I think we're past super chats as well. We are. I just assumed you were going to jump in. All right, let's go to super chats. If you haven't already, would you kindly smash that like button, subscribe to this channel,

share the show with your friends and head over over to TimCast.com. Click join us. Become a member, because we're going to have that uncensored members-only show coming up for you at about 10 p.m. in about 25 minutes, and going to be a spicy one tonight. More information about that unfortunate incident in New York and the political persuasions of the individuals who were victimized, and a lot to be said. All right. Clint Torres says, howdy, people. Howdy, Clint. Thanks for the super chat. I'm not your buddy guy. Oh, he was number two today, not number one. Says, I miss when I thought intel officers were like James Bond thwarting megalomaniacs,

when in reality, sadly, they would be helping those megalomaniacs. Yeah, yeah. When you watch those movies and there's like a super villain twirling his mustache did you actually look dc comics understood this right you watch james bond and you're like ah these industrialists trying to be evil it's like yeah and in dc lex luther ran for president because the supervillain understood political power, you know, and as a way, evil people seek power and they're going to seek it through legitimate means and then be evil once they get it and doing illegitimate things. Yeah. And especially when you have a really corrupt system, you actually start to select for the most evil possible people. You kind of discussed this earlier when you were speaking about the tyrannical regimes we saw

earlier in the 20th century, or I should say later in the 20th century, mid 20th century, where people end up having to become more selfish in order to survive. I think the way the political system actually works today is not only do more corrupt people seek power, but we actually incentivize corruption because it's the best way to get ahead. Here's a really good one. Fatty Tang says, I know you're not a fan of the death penalty. That's an understatement. I oppose the penalty. Do you think criminals, if ruled of sound mind, should have the choice of life in prison or death? That's a very, very

well-crafted question. I'd lean towards yes. I would, but I actually think exile would have to be an option there as well. It's not usually back in the day. If you were found guilty of a crime they would exile you and if you came back then they would chase you out and so it's like good luck surviving in the middle of nowhere but now because everything is basically

owned and controlled there's nowhere to exile you to yeah suppose they could put you on a boat and kick you out of the ocean and say good luck but for many people that's preferable so that's why I said maybe instead of the death penalty, we get a big island. We fortify it, secure it, and say, you've resigned yourself to this fate. We're not going to kill you, but you're on your own. You are excised from the benefits of society. I mean, when someone is sentenced to life in prison, if you give them the option of the death penalty, what you're basically talking about at that point is assisted suicide for prisoners.

So that's really the context of the discussion should they be able to elect to end their own life and i think there's actually a good argument to be made even if you believe in the death penalty that that would be wrong well the issue is if somebody really wanted to end their own life they don't need to ask you and so there's no reason to do that what are the suicide rates like in in uh in prison you know i almost can't help but i've seen so many psychological studies about happiness on you know winning the lottery versus not and there's sort of a mean reversion to a baseline over a certain period of time and i just in my mind i can't place it particularly but i i sort of have a weird

vision of people who've talked on tape about being in the can for 35 years and they don't necessarily look happier sadder than i wonder you know is is suicide in prison even is is that like a higher than effect i don't know but i was having this thought recently when we were watching uh you know we were i was reading about a bunch of crime and i was talking about this with my friends for what reason did the founding fathers decide that we could not have cruel and unusual punishment and how would you define cruel and unusual punishment i certainly would make make the argument that cruel punishment is is pointless because being cruel doesn't serve anything we want rehabilitation but then you think about like

unusual forms of punishment and i don't understand why that's that's wrong there have been numerous circumstances where judges have ordered uh like young people for instance like hold a sign on the side of the road saying like you know i committed a robbery or something like this and then i thought about this a lot of the crimes that we experience in chicago are due to uh indignities and attacks on a person's honor a lot of people think it's gang related it's not the shootings in chicago a lot of them are like a dude would go on social media and say, this dude's a weak loser. What a pathetic, whiny little bitch, et cetera, et cetera. So the other guy would be like, I'll show him, and they'd go shoot him up. Then the police are like, you shot him up. Now you're going to prison,

which proves that he was strong and hard the whole time. So here's the problem. Someone says you're a loser. The guy says, I'll kill you for it. Then he gets arrested and goes to prison where he just looks hard to his peers. And if they are in gangs, they're in prison with their gangs still operating. And again, I want to say, I'm not advocating for this, but I do have a question. When thinking about these things and these petty crimes, you look at these kids who are, I say kids, but like teenagers and young adults who are ransacking and rioting. What if the punishment

for mass looting was to be spanked in public while wearing a diaper? If you're convicted and found guilty, they bring you out in public and they give you a spanking and then you're free to go. I'm not saying we should do that, but I genuinely believe that would stop a large portion of the crime dead in its tracks.

Tim, what's running, man? Thunderdome. I don't know about Thunderdome. I'm just saying, like, the idea of facing an indignity in front of your peers is more terrifying than being locked up with your peers where you work with and harden yourself. Jails and prisons where there are gangs operating and selling drugs as it is and still doing their illegal activities, in the minds of many of the people that I knew in Chicago, it was just like, they would say things like,

when I go to jail, I'm gonna... Kids in the South Side were like, resigned themselves to assume they would be in jail at some point, and it was totally fine, it was considered normal, and they didn't fear it or hate it at all. But the idea that they would be stripped of their dignity in public terrified them to the point where a lot of these kids in chicago kill over someone besmirching their name and i was like i'm not saying this is a

literal plan i'm saying i tell you what if you take one of these guys put them in a diaper and give them a spanking they like everyone else would be like dude i to be like, dude, I'm not, get me away from that because they're terrified of all the other people they know and all the girls seeing them in this weakened, pathetic position where they're mocked

and made fun of. That is more terrifying. I wonder how much of unusual has to do with, like, I think about mandatory prison sentences, sentencing, which is one of these things

which constantly is volleyballing back between we should have it, we shouldn't have it, we should have it, we shouldn't. Should there be mandatory sentences? Should judges have discretion? And part of that is like if you don't, if something is, if there's unusual on the table, you don't even, you don't really have clear expectations of what the punishment for a crime is going to be. And you could see there being like,

you could see justice being sort of highly discretionary if there's kind of the leeway to do things that are, I always think unusual to be in the sense of, you know, predictable rather than creative. But I honestly think sentencing people to jobs would be more healing to a nation than jail or prison where these just perpetuate the the criminal activities in a lot of ways gangs still operate and uh in many ways someone who's on like a minor offense who goes to jail actually just gets hardened by more, you know, by career criminals who have been in and out of jail a ton of times.

If people were sentenced to, you know, you have to go work construction and show up like, here's your sentence. You're going to be cleaning. And we do this. We do with community service and stuff like this. longer term sentences of like you are sentenced to five years of working at you know a construction firm or whatever under supervision with an ankle bracelet would be more effective than we're going to lock you in a box and spend money on your life yeah and also i think the other point you made was super super salient too which was like it's not just they get hardened they get networked like prisons are gang systems you get plugged into your gang and now even if you weren't in one before imagine those that's your team now these kids who are looting and ransacking all over the country gang systems you get plugged into your gang and now even if you weren't in one before imagine

those that's your team now these kids who are looting and ransacking all over the country these kids and young adults they know their worst case scenario is they're going to scream racist like that woman at walmart we saw that viral video or they're going to get locked up or pay a fine but i tell you man i'm just saying you take a 16 17 year old who thinks he's a badass and he and he robbed you know he looted some store and then you bring them out in public and say, OK, you're going to get a spanking and not to injure, to humiliate. People are going to really think twice about whether or not they want. Like I'm talking about young people who are very concerned about whether they look cool or not,

whether they fit in, whether they're popular. That is a bigger deterrent. I don't think again, I'm not literally saying you do that. I'm saying the idea of a public humiliation that is a bigger deterrent i don't think again i'm not literally saying you do that i'm saying the idea of a public humiliation is is a stronger um in disincentive disincentive or whatever disincentive disincentivization than saying we're going to put you with the rest of your gang in a box where you'll continue working or bring back the coliseum and if gang members want to fight let them fight and let's let And let's get rid of the rule of law. And if they want to fight, let them fight. And let people defend themselves as well.

And then we have less government. This is another big issue, too. It used to be that dueling was allowed. And I think Oregon still has mutual combat on the books. That if two people agree to fight, right, it's called mutual combat. So we used to have dueling. And then you look at Hamilton and Burr, the famous duel. And I was reading about how dueling ceased.

And it was because younger generations were more progressive and said, this is barbaric. Why are people dueling each other? We should make it illegal. And now what you have is rampant gun violence on the streets of Chicago. But if dueling were still legal and, you know, they want to do safe injection sites where they're like, we should allow people to do drugs, but in a safe place. Okay. The people in Chicago who are trying to shoot each other, why don't we give them a safe place to duel?

Look, if the point is that heroin can kill you, and so we want to make sure they have a safe place to do it, but they're killing themselves, I'm not talking about ODing. I'm saying you are literally dying as you're doing this drug. It will kill you in the long term. Then why would they not be advocating for dueling coliseums like Luke was bringing up? Okay, this guy's honor

was besmirched. They used to duel back in the day. You want to bring back safe dueling zones so that people are, hey, if the problem is little kids are getting

shot in the crossfire, a pregnant woman just got shot in a crossfire, then why don't you just bring back coliseums? Safe dueling sites so that we can protect the public from people

who are engaging in duels. Exactly. You have a beef? You have an issue with someone? Figure it out. In a private area where there's no government, total lawlessness. Seamus, I'm personally inviting you to a duel of ideas. It's a duel-free zone.

A battle of ideas. No, no. You get a duel with pillows. With my pillows it'd be funny if it turns out like my pillow is is somehow just like very very uh you know 10 times more dangerous than your average pillow in a pillow fight and then someone just starts destroying everybody in a pillow fight sending people flying this guy would put bricks in it i don't trust him okay let's uh let's read some more that was a good super chat by the way let's read some more all right raymond g stanley jr says seeing big names

cry about gates saying he's not a real conservative makes me want to let them conserve themselves to being a speed bump republicans only stand a chance because of us life's tough get a helmet yeah mccarthy it look it's i say i'll say it again mccarthy cutting a deal with democrats means there is a democrat majority in the house that's it 2022 is meaningless if there is a Democrat majority in the House. That's it. 2022 is meaningless. If there is a slim majority and the Republicans are like, with our slim majority, we want to exercise it in this way. And McCarthy's like, nah, we're going to give Democrats what they want.

Then what was the point of voting for Republicans? You got to vote in more MAGA type, anti-establishment types, et cetera, et cetera. We will grab some more super chats. Where are we at? What do we have here? Pony up says Myron and fresh from fresh and fit said they would be there too. Can you confirm that Tim? Yes. Uh, among the many people who will be special guests at the event on Friday in some capacity, I don't know exactly how fresh and fit they're here in Miami and they will be attending. And in some way will be attending and in some way we'll be working with them for the event.

We have a lot of people who are going to be there. Originally, James O'Keefe was going to be there and then when Don Jr. had to pull out, we were like, James, you want to just jump on the roster and be one of the principal guests? And he said yes. But there's a lot of people who are going to be there. Notably, Ashley St. Clair will be there and

Phil Labonte will be there obviously he's on the show um so he'll be there in some capacity there's a handful of other people we're trying to we reached out to uh viva he's going to be there he is going to be there he confirmed yeah so it's basically just you know uh a ton of people are going to be there in some way uh and it's going to be fun interacting so you know y'all who are in the miami area or nearby we'll see you there it's going to fun. And then if you're an elite member at TimCast.com, that means you are signed up at the $100 per month level. There's

an elite member meetup where we're having dinner. We're going to be having a dinner in a secret location and hanging out, and it's going to be really, really fun. Seamus is going to be the butler, and he's going to be providing everyone food. So, it's going to be a good deal. It's going to be awesome. Thanks, Seamus. That is actual false advertising.

You're lying to Tim's audience. You're lying to Tim's audience. It's okay. It's fine. This is the kind of credible reporting you can expect from a lucrative house. It's totally okay. It's totally fine. Alright, let's grab some more Super Chats. Noah R. says, don't mind me paying the Potato Man tax.

Biden's presidency is temporary, but Shimcast is forever. That's correct. Good to have you back, Seamus. Thank you. I appreciate that. I don't know. I can't say this. I had a very serious medical treatment I had to leave for. And when I came back, Seamus was gone. That's right. He just left. I was

scheduled to leave that week. With the spoons or without the spoons? I was scheduled. I was like, look, I'm leaving the last week of July. And then Tim was like, look, this last week. He made an Irish exit. That's right. You know an Irish exit. I have. That's right. You know, somebody. That means he stole something, Tim.

Did you check everything? My honey is gone. What? What? That's crazy. Like the accusations are stacking up. I didn't say you did anything. I didn't say you did anything.

That sounds like a guilty person. It sounds like he is indicting himself. You mentioned it right when you were saying that I left. That's so strange. You know what you were doing. What happened to the honey? These are Stalinist tactics. Well, you know,

I don't think it was shameless because I'm not sure that the Irish are associated with honey, so. Yeah. So this is how we're determining whether a crime was committed on the basis of ethnic stereotypes?

I don't think that's fair. It's your standard. You won it. Let's grab some more Super Chats and see where we're at. Talon86 says, Potato Man and T-Shirt Seller 2024. Are we going to run together? I don't think so.

You don't think so? I don't want to walk with you. Yeah, I would never appoint you as my VP. Luke doesn't want to admit it, but he was like, come on, can you get Seamus to come out? We were like, no, Seamus doesn't want to come out. And he was like, dude, come on, at least for one day. And I was like, all right, fine. And we hit up Seamus.

Seamus was like, I don't know. I'm really busy. He's like, dude, Luke is begging you to come down. And I was like, all right, fine. And we hit up Seamus. Seamus was like, I don't know. I'm really busy. It's like, dude, Luke is begging you to come down. And I was like, if you promise he won't be there. And here we are. Here we are. We had to lie to get you here. It's wrong.

Where are we at? Isaac Gorski says, if the FBI now says that MAGA are extremists, that's it. I've had enough. I'm a parent of three. One more on the way. Husband, Catholic conservative. I am everything the establishment fears. I am MAGA. And I nominate myself as more on the way. Husband, Catholic conservative. I am everything the establishment fears. I am MAGA, and I nominate myself

as Speaker of the House. Well, there you go. There you are. Congratulations on being Speaker of the House. SS says, capitalism is not working, not even perfect. I don't understand in and outs of it, but I don't care. It must be destroyed. Tim, you aren't too far from BLM. I love the

I don't understand it, but it must be destroyed. That represents Antifa so well. And BLM so well. Because it's like, you know, I don't think it's fair to say that anybody here on this show or most people completely understand it. But we understand it quite a bit. So if you say you don't understand the ins and outs, we here do understand the ins and outs. Which is not perfect and we don't understand quite literally every aspect that would be impossible i mean i do but you don't but the point is this capitalism does work the problem is we don't have that we have

the erosion through corruption and you end up with heavy taxation you end up with the seizure of control of property rights and you end up with the centralization of power because the government gives preferential treatment to certain companies which then amass massive power and then revolving door between government and they create some kind of corporatocracy oligopoly. That's not capitalism. Capitalism is simple. Dude invents

lightbulb. Dude gets rich from lightbulb. Everybody has light in their houses. One of the problems of capitalism, because capitalism is not perfect, is, say, planned obsolescence. You can make a light bulb that lasts forever. Instead, they make a light bulb that burns out, so you got to buy more of them. That's not a good thing, okay? But that doesn't mean that it's not working or that it must be destroyed.

Quite the opposite. Capitalism is simply defined as the private ownership and transfer of goods and labor, whereas communism is determined as the public or government ownership of goods and labor, whereas communism is determined as the public or government ownership of goods and labor, which basically means you have no rights, you will own nothing, and you're not going to be happy. And if you tell anyone you're not happy, they're going to throw you in a gulag. But in a real free market, there would be someone who would say, yeah, I'm going to have a light bulb that's going to last forever, and I'm going to sell it to you because there's an opportunity there. So we don't that we have government mandated light bulbs that are uh really

bad for you well so the argument is what happens is nobody wants to make the everlasting light bulb because then they'll go out of business really quickly they all just want to compete and control the space and do price fixing that's a monopoly right yes yeah but i don't say a monopoly you can call it like um 10 companies exist and all the executives meet up and say listen if we keep competing with each other light bulbs are going to be a penny and we're going to be broke why don't we all agree that we will never sell a light bulb for less than a dollar and they go deal price fixing So how do you solve for these things? Because these things have happened, they do happen, and they happen in free markets.

Yes, they happen, especially with a lot with what happened with David Rockefeller and a lot of his enterprises when he, of course, was manipulating the system. But it's usually done through force and coercion under the government rules and regulations. And I would still rather have the risk of an entrepreneur coming out and saying, hey, I actually have the forever light bulb that you could buy at this particular price. There still is a better chance for that than the current system that we have now under all these rules and all these regulations.

What about snake oil? No system is perfect, but the best system I think is a free system. And I think the snake oil argument is of course, just one of many arguments of the imperfectness of everything. But the biggest system that does the most damage, harms the most people, is usually a more centralized government system. And so the question is, to have a free market, would you be okay with snake oil salesmen and products of such? I think we already have that.

It's called the Trump scene. The what? The Trump scene. Okay. You have people who go into malls and they sell balance bracelets which don't actually do anything and we already have that yeah uh-huh and the ftc issues a fine and then the company pays the fine but made more money in profits from the from the the fake product anyway so it's like they'll sell 20 million dollars in garbage pay a five million dollar fine company dissol they reform a new company, and they sell this garbage again.

That stuff already exists, right? I'm not saying that government is solving for the problem. I'm saying that in a true free market, this will just persist. People will say, like, buy my magic rock. I just want to mention, I had a guy try to sell me one of those years ago. Years ago. I was at a mall or a flea market or something. He's like, you've got to check out this balance bracelet. I was like, I'm not really interested. He's like, or something. He's like, you got to check out this balance bracelet.

I was like, I'm not really interested. He's like, no, no, no, you got to look at this. Like, put your hand out. So I put my hand out and he like pushed down on it to try to like knock me off my balance. And he did a little bit. I was like, okay. And he's like, no, no, see what happens when you put this on. Then he put on me.

He like put it on my wrist and then he pushed down on my hand substantially less hard. And he's like, look, you didn't tip over. You had better balance. I was like was like dude get away from me yeah the responsibility sales pitch the responsibility the responsibility is on the consumer the consumer is not the government so uh the way the trick works is it's called the center of gravity illusion that's just a basic name for it uh you have someone stand on one foot and what you do do is have them hold out their hands while standing on one foot, and you grab one of their arms, and you want to push down slightly away from their body. They'll fall over. You then put the magic object in their hand, have them stand on one foot, put their arms out, but this time, you push down and slightly into, in the direction of of their body by only a tiny bit.

You're pushing into the center of gravity so they don't fall over. And then you go, look at this. And you can actually push down pretty hard on someone if you're pushing into their center of gravity and the average person falls for the trick. It's an illusion like, whoa, what happened? Not realizing you adjusted the angle of force so now they're not tripping. They use that trick. And the thing is all these sales guys are taught, here's how you trick people into buying garbage rubber bands.

Then the FTC comes in and says, you gotta pay, you know, five, ten million dollars, fine, they go, they made thirty million dollars already. And then they relaunch with some other garbage. Wait, wait until you find out what Big Pharma is doing. Oh, I know, I know, I know. Alright, let's grab some more super chats. Let's see, Ashley St. Clair says, I know, I know, I know. Alright, let's grab some more super chats. Let's see. Ashley

St. Clair says, make sure the IRL make sure the IRL Miami venue hides the spoons before Seamus arrives. Very good point. Thank you, Ashley. I agree. It's sickening. Firstly, Ashley, I'm already here. Alright? I've been here. Where are you? Nowhere around. Tim's like, I'll bring her around for the

Friday event for whatever reason. Kind of participation trophy. I think he felt a little bit bad for you. Participation trophy? I actually didn't invite anybody. They just showed up? I was being organized by other people. That sounds about right. You sound like you want to date her, Seamus.

I'm just very angry. Is this the AOC defense? Is this the AOC defense? I want to know what you did with the spoons. If you criticize somebody, then you certainly want to date them. You don't want to know what he did with the spoons. Lou clearly wants to date Big Pharma based on his critique of them. All right. want to know what he did with the spoons. Lou clearly wants to date Big Pharma based on his critique of them.

Alright, CTI says, hey y'all, please keep my wife in your prayers as she has to put her childhood cat down on Friday. Sorry to hear, man. We'll keep her in our prayers. David Scott says, the FBI has signaled either the end of the FBI or the end of the U.S. The ATF just warned Texas FFLs about cartels

buying 50 cals.ales no they are tracking you wow 50 kales huh well you know if uh what was it what what government agency was tracking the the government purchases what which would which atf oh yeah that's the same agency that actually sent a 50 bmgs to me. You want to date that agency? That's so weird. Are you attracted to them? Are you trying to get together? I think they're going to have to report on themselves,

especially after Operation Fast and Furious and all the horrible things that they did there. Fast and Furious. Do you want to date Obama or something? Yes. Okay. Wedopee says, Tim, ever heard of the game Remember Me?

It's about brain chips and memory alterations along with how people even get all their bad memories altered or removed i would definitely recommend giving it a play i think i've heard of that game that's gonna be the crazy thing with norlink and there's been a lot of sci-fi about it but when people choose to remove memories a lot of people look at the matrix and it's like you can learn kung fu in a minute yeah and a lot of people look at the Matrix and it's like, you can learn Kung Fu in a minute. Yeah, and a lot of people are going to be like, man, I did not like today. Just delete. I want to unlearn Kung Fu. It was awful.

Horrible experiences. Yeah. That's because you got your butt kicked. But also, you can't download Kung Fu. That's the stupidest thing I've ever heard. What? It requires muscle memory and your muscles to be developed. You can't just know in your brain how you wouldn't steal a kung fu don't illegally

download yeah i think that you wouldn't steal quantum physics everyone wants to figure out ways to you know do things through taking a shortcut uh you know there's this argument yeah you'll be able to just download all sorts of information about the world i'm very skeptical you don't make skeptical that that's ever going to be possible that the human brain's ever going to work that way well what would make more sense is taking a kung fu pill over the period of of a year no for real though based in kung fu pill bro yeah like with uh with nanotech stuff it would make more sense that you would instead of exercising every day you take a kung fu pill and then just go play video games and it that makes more sense because it could affect your muscles and everything and the nanobots could be you know shifting and

rearranging things you'd be all sore and tired like man it was it was crazy workout man yeah four hours of kung fu and a pill crazy stuff all right everybody if you haven't already would you kindly smash that like button subscribe to this channel share the show if you really do like it and head over to timcast.com because thecensored Show is coming up in a couple minutes. You can follow the show at TimCast IRL. You can follow me personally at TimCast. Mike, do you want to shout anything out? Yeah, follow the work that my foundation does at Foundation for Freedom Online. And I'm on Twitter at Mike Benz Cyber. Mike, that was great. Thank you so much for coming on. As you guys know, I'm really big into health. That's why I launched wearechange.shop. We got

some really great fish oils you guys should check out there. But more importantly, we're also doing health conscious meetups. We're doing one this Sunday, 4pm here in Southern Florida. To get there, go to lukunfiltered.com, lukunfiltered.com. And in related health news, Seamus, how's the boozing and smoking going? Charming. Very charming, Luke. My name is Seamus Coghlan. I run a YouTube channel called Freedom Tunes. If you guys want to check that out, we released a video yesterday

about how difficult it is to tell the difference between a door handle and a fire alarm. It's tough. It is really hard. So watch that video tomorrow. We're actually releasing one of my favorite videos we've worked on. I think it's going to be

really funny. So I'm going to ask all of you to go over to Freedom Tunes on YouTube and subscribe and watch out for our upload tomorrow. You're going to love it. Do you hear the way Luke endorsed it? You hear that endorsement?

That's great. That's great. Serge? Fluke doesn't like it. It's good. Yeah, I'm just hanging out over here. I'm ready for this after show. I'm Serge.com on the internet

on Twix or whatever. Yeah, let's get to it. All right, everybody. We will see you all over at timcast.com in a couple minutes. Thanks for hanging out. you