Timcast IRL - Timcast IRL #878 Israel Declares FULL SIEGE Over Hamas Invasion, US Hostages Feared w/James Bacon

Episode Date: October 10, 2023

Tim, Ian, Hannah Claire, & Serge join James Bacon to discuss Hamas threatening to execute hostages if Israel doesn't cease bombing Gaza, NYC seeing the far left celebrate the Hamas terror attack, new ...reports suggesting American arms leftover from botched Afghanistan withdrawal were used by Hamas in terror attack, and 11 Americans reported dead in the Hamas terror attack. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:01:18 Israel has declared a full siege on Gaza. And now we're watching buildings being flattened. And, of course, you've got people on the left defending Palestine. And then you actually have establishment more establishment Democrat types criticizing the far left and actually advocating for more aid and in defense of Israel with many conservatives split as well. Interestingly, this this issue has has divided everybody quite a bit, with many on the right under Trump being either very defensive of Israel or very anti-intervention. It gets interesting when you look at exactly what went
Starting point is 00:01:51 down in the big news that's happening now. So, oh boy, do we have a lot to talk about here. There are hostages being murdered right now by Hamas. There are threats to execute more hostages as Israel retaliates and fires into Gaza. And there's reports that the hostages may contain American citizens and reports that 11 Americans have already died. We're going to talk about all that, but then there's the political ramifications as well. Additionally, RFK Jr. announced today that he will be running as an independent. I believe, based on everything we've seen, there's good reason to believe this will hurt Democrats, especially considering RFK's speech was very much so is very woke celebrating Indigenous Peoples Day, which is apparently today. I guess it's Christopher Columbus Day and it's a bank holiday.
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Starting point is 00:03:04 Share the show with your friends. Joining us tonight to talk about this and so much more is James Bacon. Hi, Tim. It's James Bacon, former special assistant to President Trump and director of operations for presidential personnel in the Trump White House. Happy to be here. Right on. Thanks for coming. We got Hannah Clare hanging out.
Starting point is 00:03:21 Yeah. Hi, I'm Hannah Clare Brimlow. I'm a writer for TimCast.com. You should follow at TimCastNews on all the social media platforms. And Ian's. Yeah. Hi, I'm Hannah Clare Brimlow. I'm a writer for timcast.com. You should follow at Timcast News on all the social media platforms. And Ian's here too. Hi, everyone. Thank you guys for coming out to Miami on Friday. We had an incredible event in Miami. Patrick, Beth, David, Matt Gates, James O'Keefe, Tim, Luke, and I were all there.
Starting point is 00:03:36 I mean, Hannah Clare, you were there too. The whole gang was there. It was great to see you guys before the show. Some of you guys after the show. And today I did something I'd never done before I prayed to Jesus I've never done this before I've always prayed to God so I decided to communicate with Jesus directly and I said please help me and he said he told me to tell them so I'm telling you I did it well there you go
Starting point is 00:03:58 yeah thanks it was it was on I was still kind of hazy like you know anyway let's get in you want to get let's get in. You want to get, let's get down to the show. Serge, talk to me. Yo, yeah. Pleasure being in Miami. It's fun. Funny how the world kind of went to hell when we were gone. But yeah, I'm Serge.com. Let's get ready.
Starting point is 00:04:13 Here's a story from the Wall Street Journal. The latest. I'm sure many of you have heard about what's been going on between Israel and Palestine. Hamas threatens to execute Israelis in response to bombing of Gaza. We have an image here. Shocking image. Flames and smoke billow during Israeli strikes in Gaza on Monday. These photos are absolutely crazy.
Starting point is 00:04:32 There's videos now emerging from Gaza as Israel retaliates over the killing of civilians. I believe it is estimated at 900 plus dead. The number is probably higher now. I think it's 1,100 now. 1,100. I'd seen something similar. So, of course, there's going to be retaliation the walter journal says hamas on monday threatened to execute israeli hostages if israel continues to bombard civilian homes in gaza
Starting point is 00:04:53 without warning from this hour on we announced that any targeting of civilian homes that advanced warning will be met regrettably with the execution of one of the enemy civilian hostages we hold. And we'll be forced to broadcast this, says Abu Obaida, the spokesman for Hamas's military wing, Al-Qassam Brigades, in remarks broadcast on Pan-Arab channel Al-Jazeera. The enemy does not understand the language of humanity and morals,
Starting point is 00:05:19 and we will address him in the language he knows. We hold the occupation responsible for this decision in front of the world. I'm sorry. I mean, it's plain as day these are not secrets this is not someone uh this is not a fake video producer this is a human being saying yes we we stormed into the civilian areas kidnapped and and and captured civilians that we consider enemies and that they intend that they're now saying they intend to kill okay this argument about freedom fighters or whatever or not i'm not gonna bite you want to come at me and talk about war and history and israel and occupation like let's have a conversation we can talk about the west bank we can talk about uh people going to the west bank
Starting point is 00:05:59 and bulldozing homes or seizing property all of that stuff we have a conversation but this right here there's zero justification. There are people right now in New York, I shouldn't say right now, but probably right now, over this past weekend, celebrating the killing of civilians. So what is this? Where do we go from here? This is a war of colonization,
Starting point is 00:06:19 and it's the first time we've ever seen it on TV in real time. It's happened for the history of mankind but you only hear like they went in and they marauded 18 border towns and then they were there and they destroyed the crops and then they came back but you don't hear you didn't see them murdering the people raping the women uh kidnapping the children to raise as their own like you don't see that and now we see it and this is what it looks like yeah it's a strange part of modern warfare how quickly we can see what's going on on the ground especially given the wide access the internet i mean there are a number of people that i would be interested to hear their take the hadid sisters are obviously uh not what i would call political influencers but they have
Starting point is 00:06:58 been very vocally pro-palestine given their heritage um it's just um it's been a crazy weekend it's been a lot of um sort of a deluge of information uh yeah and i don't know what's real and what's not that's part of why this this is a this is a an opportunity to speak scientifically on on what i've seen over the weekend i suppose what i find really fascinating about this is that you have far leftists and i what what do you what do. And what do you call this? I don't even know what you'd call the faction of anti-Semitic or anti-Israel. I'm not saying literally the same thing.
Starting point is 00:07:31 There's people who hate Jewish people, people who hate Israel, or let's try and tone it down as much as possible. There are people who reject the idea of Israel who are more nationalist and then there are white nationalists. They're aligned in this regard with the far left completely not not in the sense of like pro-palestine but in opposition to israel as a state and it's just a very very weird circumstance to see prominent
Starting point is 00:07:57 conservatives now completely in agreement with the democrats surprisingly it's like all of a sudden, like, whoa, it's just mishing and mashing everything up. Yeah, it is. I mean, I think it's reflective of a lot of stuff that's going on in our country where we have been used to certain political parties claiming certain certain values and ultimately, especially in complicated, nuanced situations, people who wouldn't expect to agree actually have common ground. When I think of far left, I think of people that support Palestine. And that's what I've always kind of assumed.
Starting point is 00:08:33 And it may not be true, but the people on the far left are like, no, Israel is an invading force. We need to. But then the Biden administration's engaged with the far left, had these people. And this is maybe I'm just misreading the situation through the media i've been i've been watching but and now biden sent an aircraft carrier over there to support israel but his constituency is like the left and they don't want they support palestine and it's a very broad general assumption but that's a that's a conflict of interest um and maybe that's a good thing well i think there's no room for the nuanced take here which is obviously israel has a right to respond and fight Hamas because they were attacked in a vicious terrorist attack,
Starting point is 00:09:10 but that we should be focused on making sure this thing doesn't break out into World War III. That is what the U.S.'s interest is here. You know, I'm not, you're right in essence, but considering who's in charge of this country, I'm not so sure their interests align with what you're right in essence but considering who's in charge of this country i'm not so sure their interests align with what you're describing i think a lot of these companies have a vested interest in world war three and then there's a big question about what constitutes world war three with the start of the of the uh with with the russian invasion of ukraine or you can even go
Starting point is 00:09:40 back to say like the u.s backed ousting of yanukovych in ukraine whatever you i mean these things can all be reduced you can go way back in time but with the conflict the hot conflict you've got prominent people in europe saying this is world war iii already now you add into the mix what will likely be the most dramatic and egregious military escalation from israel into gaza that we've ever seen and may result in the end of Gaza. I mean, the videos that are coming out of buildings being leveled, it's brutal. They're saying, this is our 9-11. This could be World War III. I mean, look, I know everybody's always like, oh, you're being sensationalist by saying World War III. I will just say this.
Starting point is 00:10:20 For all I know, tomorrow, everybody stops a there's tears some you know profit emerges who knows and everyone stops fighting and they're like i can't believe we fought then they all hug and it's like rainbows okay for all for all we know that happens even though the conflict's been going on for generations if not millennia maybe but if china invades taiwan and seizes and tries to take it right now then i think it's fair to say like objectively, okay, World War III, we've got these massive superpower involved, hot conflicts popping up all over the globe. And even then, maybe it's still fair that there would be some argument against it. No, maybe it's just regional conflict, right? If this does devolve into the US mobilizing,
Starting point is 00:11:03 Russia mobilizing, China mobilizing into an actual easily discernible world war three with front with a front line a western front they will look back historically and this will be a part of that war right so when when france ferdinand died no one said that's it world war one just start world war one's on everybody we post dated it we said oh that was the start exactly i kind of get the vibe that it was 9-11 is what is what catapulted us into the age of world chaos i don't know uh look there's been there's been there was desert storm there's there's a whole bunch of conflicts between the u.s and and other countries and it never ended i mean after the cold during the cold war we had a whole bunch of wars
Starting point is 00:11:40 and conflict it's not stopped there was a period where it was a little quieter but there was still afghanistan and iraq and one world war one and two was like the same war there's that interwar period where germany was just seething because half the or part of the country had been stripped away and given to poland and those native germans that were now under the control the poles were being executed and genocided and the germans were like you know cast this belly for war we need to take our land back and it's just like one big war with like 10 years of like quiet time yeah i mean that's probably true of all conflict in world history of all time right like we say a war ends but does it really because the fallout is what sets up the next one i mean that's going to be true obviously it's true now
Starting point is 00:12:18 this is how we got here and it's also will be true forever right we i love the idea that we live in peace but ultimately someone is a loser when you live in peace. There's always going to be tension. There's the, one of the arguments they're putting forward right now is that 75 years ago, Israel seized, Israeli militants and militias seized land from Palestinians. It's like, okay, I get it. You know, people were kicked out of their homes 75 years ago. I don't see how that justifies kidnapping and murdering Germans.
Starting point is 00:12:46 You know, like there's that video going around of that tattoo artist who was dancing at the festival. And there are people in New York celebrating that hipsters at a festival got taken. And the guy laughs and says, I'm sure they're doing fine now. He knows they were all murdered. They were all murdered. Their dead bodies paraded around.
Starting point is 00:13:04 Dude, you want to talk about war and conflict, fine. But like if they were really trying to say, like, take back their homes or tear down the fences of an open air prison, which by all means make all these arguments. I don't see how they're like, we've escaped the prison. Quick, go kill civilians. Like, imagine there's a dude who claims he was wrongfully jailed and he's in prison and he's like, i shouldn't be here i'm innocent i was forced in here by corruption and tyranny i'm a political prisoner and then he breaks out and then he runs straight for some 20-year-old woman and just beats her to
Starting point is 00:13:33 death you'd be like no dude you should have been in prison i think that a lot the majority probably a grand majority of the people in palestine and in gaza whatever you want to call it they call some people call gaza some people call palestine whatever gaza is the strip it's what's left over of palestine and the west bank as well as palestine so they're not violent they're just stuck and and they're trying to live but then there's a militant very angry small group of militant activists hamas and others you know that are willing to kill and are creating a situation where these civilians are now in the line of fire it's true for a lot of civilians there are there are a lot of programs that try to bring aid to to the gaza strip i remember uh it's really really crazy thing when i went to israel and i was in tel aviv
Starting point is 00:14:14 and uh i i know people who were involved in skateboard projects in gaza and people skate in gaza and uh i'm talking to this is person about, you know, like it was really cool to see in the United States, a Palestinian from Gaza who made it to the U.S. and was skateboarding with an Israeli. And they're like high fiving and fist bumping being like, you know, if we could, if only we could find this kind of peace. And then the Israeli guy goes, no, they don't skateboard. And I was like, what? Yes, they do. There's like skate parks in Gaza. No, there's not. And I was like, yeah, there is. Google it right now. I'll pull the video up for you. I'm was like, what? Yes, they do. There's like skate parks in Gaza. No, there's not. And I was like, yeah, there is. Google it right now.
Starting point is 00:14:46 I'll pull the video up for you. Like being gaslit. I'm just like, do you genuinely think that's not true? Like, and I think the issue is that for a lot of these more liberal minded, like this, this German citizen who is reportedly killed was a German national, but also dual citizen Israeli, conscience is objector and pacifist and it's these people who are raised in this um left liberal leftist mindset liberal mindset of world peace and perhaps they saw one of these videos of this dude from palestine
Starting point is 00:15:15 fist bumping a guy from israel of course palestinians got really mad about that but the dudes in america is like i just want to escape man leave me alone like they don't care about anything else and uh and i've also heard the inverse, too. But they see stories like this and like we can't have peace. And then like I'll say it again, like call it an open air prison. That's fine. I got no argue. Like, let's have an argument.
Starting point is 00:15:34 We'll talk about it, whatever. You can call what you want. But if you're going to make the argument that they're trying to break free, then they just run out and start killing people. And the woman who got killed was this pacifist. It's like, well well i was a cold hard lesson in gun control and peace when there are people who believe that you as a civilian and a tourist are an evil evil that needs to be purged there's no negotiating somebody dancing to music
Starting point is 00:15:57 well we could we can argue about like uh lewd and lascivious behavior and stuff and like the the evolution or the degradation of society and stuff but come on man like what's the justification for running into a music festival just gunning people down because in their mind it doesn't matter who you are you're all evil so it's like how are you supposed to have what's justice in this situation if these people in new york are chanting from the river to the sea they're talking about genocide they're talking about mass execution dude i'll say it again you want to talk about 1948 you want to talk about the british occupied palestine and all of that stuff let's have a conversation but
Starting point is 00:16:33 you ain't getting anything from me when you are literally singing songs about mass executing all the civilians who live there it was 1918 i think when the british mandate for palestine and okay i'm not exactly sure what year i think there's something called the Balfour Declaration was signed. And what happened was during World War I, the British and the French were like, we cannot win. We're going to lose. The Ottoman Empire is annihilating us, the Germans, the Austrians, they're too powerful. So they made a deal with the Ottomans and they were like, we will give... Actually, let me fix that. They made a deal with the Arabs, not the Ottomans. They made a deal with the Arabs. The Arabs were also with Germans and the Austrians. So the British and the French made a deal with the Arabs, not the Ottomans. They made a deal with the Arabs. The Arabs were also with Germans and the Austrians. So the British and the French made a deal with
Starting point is 00:17:06 the Arabs and they said, if you help us win, if you turn on the Ottoman empire, we'll give you this area, which is now Israel. We'll give this to you Arabs. So the Arabs said, okay. So they turned on the Ottomans and then we won the war. And then they went back on their offer and they said, no, we're going to keep that area for ourself. And they set up the British mandate for Palestine and occupied it. And ever since that's like the inception point of when the Arabs are like, you promised us our land back. We helped you, we died for you. And now you took it and now you're there. And that was it. That's where it began. And then there's something called the Sykes-Picot Agreement, where I think Israel was officially formed. I don't want to speak too much on this,
Starting point is 00:17:43 but there's something called the Sykes-Picot Agreement, which is worth looking into, too. This is one of the reasons why I'm like very anti-intervention. I never say I'm like absolutely anti-intervention because sometimes I recognize like none of things absolute. But the problem is you've got a lot of people who don't know enough about any of this. And it's so fervent and insane. The people being like Israel has a right, blah, blah, blah. And, you know
Starting point is 00:18:05 whatever and i'm like bro i'm sitting here watching people kill kill civilians saying like hey don't kill civilians and then people are still mad it's crazy like the the the pro israel's uh side is saying like they're justified in everything they're doing and whatever uh in retaliation and then the pro-palestinian side are saying that they're justified in in you know pushing out these these occupiers and i'm like bro it's like a 20 year old woman at a music festival got killed not the only one and of course i understand there's fog of war there's propaganda but dude like nobody nobody mass-produced big fake videos uh and and got these guys to go on tv and admit to doing these things i mean this is how i felt when we got involved with ukraine right what is the american interest
Starting point is 00:18:44 here and do we actually have one? I understand calls for, you know, you've got to protect innocent people and, you know, whatever. But ultimately, all of these things are much more nuanced conflicts than the American media presents to the people. And we use it to justify investing tons and tons of money into stuff that I'm not sure is in the best interest of American people. I want to play this clip for you guys.
Starting point is 00:19:05 This is a tweet from Julio Rosas. Andy Ngo has quote tweeted it. At the Hamas celebration rally in Times Square, organized by the far left, socialists and Palestinian nationalists, a speaker talks about the Islamist attacks that killed hundreds of Israelis, mostly civilians. The crowd cheers. I hope you're ready to hear this.
Starting point is 00:19:23 This is awful. I'm sorry. civilians the crowd cheers i uh... i hope you're ready to hear this this is this is this is all outside All right. In this operation, an officer of blood, the resistance fires more than 5,000 rockets. Wait for it. Reaching Tel Aviv.
Starting point is 00:20:04 Do you hear that? Re tel aviv okay in in in a conflict uh let's say you're you're in a prison you're in you're in a prison they say it's an open-air prison you're locked up and you're like it is unjust i was put here against my will and my parents were here and so you decide to start bombing the town next door with a bunch of civilians who live nearby. I just like you're not breaking out. You're not. It's like a sally out kind of if you're in a if you're in a siege situation, you're the one that's under siege. Sometimes they'll sally out and try and cause havoc in the enemy camp, the enemy siege camp, and then come back and kill as much and destroy as much as they can.
Starting point is 00:20:41 And that's kind of what this was well imagine if they didn't kill a bunch of civilians targeted the military only and were seen on video clearing civilians out and telling them to get back and then issued a statement saying you know our issue is with the occupying force of the israeli government who have oppressed and suppressed us we will take every every effort to protect the lives of civilians. That's not what they're doing. They're outright saying, in quotes, they will execute civilians to get what they want. Bro, there is evil in this world.
Starting point is 00:21:12 It's not tactically smart from their standpoint either because now there's justification for them being completely wiped out. Yep. This video in particular just reminds me of Pavlov's dog, right? She says colonizers and the crowd who's all raised in the West, they're all American cheer because they know from every public school history lesson that the word colonization is always bad. I mean, they can't see that there might be any bias in this. I mean, obviously, they've chosen to go to this. So they have their own own leaning. But with this argument, it's it's just I don't I don't know. I I hate that this is something that people are going to decide they have an opinion on all of a sudden because of the media media slant, because really, it's just, I don't know. I hate that this is something that people are going to decide they have an opinion on all of a sudden
Starting point is 00:21:46 because of the media slant because really it's an area of the world that most people don't understand well enough to truly understand what's going on. They have signs at this protest saying, end US funding of Israel. Many of the people who are arguing that we not fund Israel,
Starting point is 00:22:02 it's not a principled argument about America first and saving the American people. It is them secretly trying to get Israel to be in a weakened position so that they can start genociding people. That's it. Look, I'm not saying that Israelis like Palestinians. I'm not saying that at all. I'm saying these people here are referring to Hamas as their fighters. There's another video where they say the same thing, where these activists and there's Palestinians here outright say that Hamas is them
Starting point is 00:22:33 and they're doing this intentionally. Konstantin Kisin made an excellent tweet, I think it was yesterday, and saying you people in the West, and he was kind of like, is like you've been told for so long that they hate you for your freedom. And it's not that they hate you because you have more power than them and if they had more power than you they would conquer you colonize you and turn you into something much worse so get
Starting point is 00:22:55 your head straight and I've been so anti-war I put it in quotes but like for 20 years like no don't but like I can only fathom what would happen if the united states was taken over by marauders or barbarians that would rape and kill like that would be it's inconscionable we cannot allow that to happen this is the far left they they the democratic socialists of america promoted this rally and at this rally they celebrated the targeting of civilians ocasio-cortez is a card-carrying member of the Democratic Socialists of America. Has she spoken up about it? I don't think so, other than the squad called for a ceasefire, which is just, I just, look, man, yes, okay, we don't want any more fighting, but you are hard-pressed to be like, hey, we stormed and killed a bunch of
Starting point is 00:23:40 civilians, took a bunch of hostages, now ceasefire. It just seems like arrogance on their part, right? But we called for it over here in america so you guys should stop i think they thought the hamas perhaps thought that uh taking the hostages would prevent any kind of retaliation and they miscalculated and then when the bomb started dropping in gaza they were like we need to stop this right now stop retaliation no no they're saying they're gonna they're gonna execute the civilians in in response to now the bombs. But I think they thought that if they took the civilians, a lot of captives, then they'd have some time. I disagree. The Al-Qassam Brigade sets up rocket depots in hospitals and schools and residential areas on purpose to force Israel to strike civilian targets and then complain that they're striking civilian targets.
Starting point is 00:24:20 The argument from many of the pro-Palestine side is where should their resistance fighters set up at all because there's no there's there's no military bases there and where do the people go what do we do do we take them in as refugees into the united states well a lot of people are saying expect to see you know millions of refugees now and this is another thing which maybe we'll touch on you talk about an open border hundreds of thousands of people coming across how many of those people are like sleeper cell yes it, it's a serious concern, right? This is true of all kinds of things. Saying you're a refugee doesn't necessarily mean, and that's terrible because there are people in awful positions who do need support and help.
Starting point is 00:24:54 But opening every border in the U.S. because we've decided to get involved in wars that we are ultimately not sure how we're going to end anyways is sort of not the solution, right? We're creating more problems for everyone all the time. I mean, it is one of the reasons that you have to be so critical of the Biden administration, which is that they were not proactive on the border the way they should have been, and they have also been club-footed when it comes to international diplomacy. They have not put an American in a strong position. So we're actually, in my opinion, not a very strong position to help anyone in any way. So for, there are a lot of reasons for this,
Starting point is 00:25:29 and I'm not trying to put anyone on the spot. It's not a rhetorical question. It's a little question for you guys. For what reason is the U.S. providing military funding to Israel? To protect the Suez Canal. It just depends on how you're looking at it. Well, that's Egypt though. That's the Sinai Peninsula. Yeah, but Israel's got war planes. And Egypt's also on our side. Right, but Israel is not. The Suez is controlled by Egypt.
Starting point is 00:25:52 Shipping, maybe. But, well, I mean, it kind of guards the Suez. It's not. Obviously, the Suez is in Egypt, yeah. It's a. Yeah, it's on the. So the Sinai Peninsula is where the Suez is. And then you have Israel further east of there.
Starting point is 00:26:08 So perhaps there's a strategic military, you know, point because it gives them the eastern side of the Suez. Yeah, it always was too, because the Romans would sail over there. Well, they would do it through Egypt, but then they would pick their boats up and walk them across before the canal was ever built and then put it back down and then sail to India. I mean, that probably is the most logical logical reason the control of canals is massive i mean right now we're looking you the the conflict in ukraine has a lot to do with the bosphorus uh the boss was the bosphorus straight that's going through turkey that gets the that that uh opens up the black sea to the mediterranean so taking russia's warm water port in Crimea, if NATO were to acquire or the EU were to absorb Ukraine, would be very bad for Russia. So now Russia is trying to secure this whole land reach, this whole land bridge into Crimea because that's where they have access to the Black Sea.
Starting point is 00:26:56 And then there's other there's other points of access they have into the Black Sea and into the Black Sea as well. But this is a major naval base for them. And then, of course, you have what may be the Sue suez obviously the panama canal was massively and strategically important for us to control and i think it was like 10 years ago china was trying to build a nicaraguan canal which is insane because the land mass is massive whereas panama is very thin and then uh with the nicaraguan canal they would have to decimate this natural aquifer that everyone got water from ultimately i think the the the the program was abandoned, however. But it could be.
Starting point is 00:27:29 It could be that the U.S. We hear this all the time that Israel is our most important ally in the region. I'm like, okay, I guess in the sense that in terms of the form of government and the perception, like the world view, yes, that makes sense. But what is the actual strategic military purpose, I wonder? Anybody got a better idea than the Suez? I mean, that's what I would say. I mean, I think ultimately America thinks of itself as historically Israel's ally, and so it feels the need to intervene. It's a question that I think everyone should ask themselves, like what really is the strategic purpose of getting involved at
Starting point is 00:28:03 this point? And I honestly don't have a great answer for it. And I think a lot of Americans will feel that way. So should we continue to, you know, we've already moved military ships closer to Israel. We are preparing to get involved in more ways than we are already now. We already spent billions of dollars on Ukraine this year. I mean, this is not something that we can really do. We're going into an election. I wonder if this is the strike is partly because they know the U.S. is fractured and distracted.
Starting point is 00:28:34 Yeah. Speaking of distracted, Jack Posobiec tweeted out earlier here at his White House staffer. This from two hours ago. This is he's saying that this is from a White House staffer. Biden keeps bringing up Ukraine during briefings on Israel. He's getting the two wars mixed up. Austin, Lloyd Austin, Secretary of Defense, barely showing up to them anymore, the meetings anymore. Blinken making more decisions than anyone.
Starting point is 00:28:57 So talk about confusion within the leadership of the United States right now. Biden is probably concerned about getting caught for his business stuff in Ukraine. Yeah, and also, you know, we've all had concerns about Biden's mental faculties always. So maybe it's just, you know,
Starting point is 00:29:13 the old age catching up with him. You know, they had a barbecue yesterday. They were at a barbecue at the White House. Biden and his wife and a bunch of White House staff were the day before yesterday. Like during the bombs dropping in Israel, Biden's throwing a party.
Starting point is 00:29:26 Well, yeah, but to be fair, during the bombs... Cancel the party. No, during the bombs... Get to the war room. No, no. During the bombs going off in Sudan or Somalia,
Starting point is 00:29:35 they're also having barbecues. Yeah, but it's Israel. So what? This is another problem I have with many of the people who are like, we need to intervene in Ukraine or Israel's our ally. I'm like, China's running concentration camps where they're genociding we go muslim i was
Starting point is 00:29:49 on twitter are we gonna are we gonna go to every single country on the planet whenever a bomb falls no but if you're one of your military allies is under attack you go to the war room and that's where you stay for the next 28 hours or whatever i was on twitter for like 12 hours yesterday biden can do it he should be let's say he's our commander. He's a military commander. When bombs drop, commander, go to war room. Considering, and I will, I accept this, considering the severity of the escalation. Yes, I agree that he should have been. But it does frustrate me that the news goes nuts when like Ukraine goes off.
Starting point is 00:30:20 And I'm like, a border dispute with Russia and a neighboring nation? Why do I care care why aren't we talking about what's going on in say these these uh african nations or uh with the armenians i mean hey there you go we didn't intervene with the ira uh but way back in the day there are definitely there has always been a stance that we pick and choose and i'm glad that you brought up the uighur muslims because we still sent our olympic team we made a big show of saying we're not going to send any of our officials or diplomats yet. We still went with it. I mean, the double standard for what we are allowed to be outraged on humanitarian platforms. It's just ridiculous.
Starting point is 00:30:53 And I think ultimately we know that this is not based on any sort of bleeding heart dedication to anything. It's always about something strategic and powerful. And in this case, we've already put ourselves in a weak position. So what are we, I think that's like, I can't get past the point of what is the purpose of this. I just, my question is what,
Starting point is 00:31:14 what about Israel makes people's brains stop working? No question. I think it's just like, what, what, like, cause of religion, cause of Judaism,
Starting point is 00:31:23 they feel so connected to the land itself. I'm not talking about people who are Jewish or Israeli. I'm talking about right now on Twitter. Right now, even in our chats, there are people whose brains shut off the moment the subject of Israel comes up. They stop listening to arguments. When it comes to Ukraine, you can have a rational conversation about intervention. Israel happens, and it's just hyper-polarized.
Starting point is 00:31:44 No matter what you say, you're wrong. No matter what you say, you're wrong. No matter what you say, you're right. It's just there's no rational thought whatsoever. It's the most annoying thing in the world. I used to have a chat server and the most annoying thing in the world was people
Starting point is 00:31:59 always tried to make Israel a subject. Like to talk about it when it was not even in the news. There, whatever it is, there are places in the world right now where there are tribal factions locking up, oppressing, beating and murdering other factions. There are there, there are China, for instance, but for some reason it's Israel. It pisses, it's so annoying. I'm like, Hey, okay, let's like check out the history of what's going on and they're like the the people right now the conspiracy theory is that uh israel knew it was going to happen and let it happen so they could justify flattening gaza and it's just like okay dude
Starting point is 00:32:35 yeah at any point everyone is just going to choose what they want to be the reality yeah okay there are videos of thing happening if you're going to make the assumptions that israel knew there's a report saying egypt warned warned them of something big 10 days ago that doesn't mean anything saying hey something's coming watch out something big what are they supposed to what are they going to act on that okay i guess we'll secure something or whatever we We'll look for something big. But people just lose their minds. And we've had people on this show where they just get really, really, really angry at the subject and start ranting about it.
Starting point is 00:33:15 And I'm like, what is up with people, dude? Certainly World War II, the way Hitler exterminated 6 million, according to historical records of Jewish people, has caused an emotional attachment to just the entire concept of judaism and extermination of humanity so that's a big part of it it's like never again kind of mentality like i can't even go there i can't even consider that and it's like because it happened and honestly the jewish population has been for
Starting point is 00:33:40 whatever reason persecuted throughout history in different countries i think in England, they were actually kicked out of the country by one of the kings of England at one point, just completely tossed out because of their, I don't know, bank. What was it? It has to do with usury and the fact that they allow usury. That's a whole other thing. It's a whole other thing. Well, let's jump to more American domestic politics in relation to this.
Starting point is 00:34:01 We have this from FirstPost.com. Did the weapons Hamas used against Israel come from Ukraine or Afghanistan, asks U.S. Congresswoman. Marjorie Taylor Greene says, we need to work with Israel to track serial numbers on any U.S. weapons used by Hamas against Israel. Did they come from Afghanistan? Did they come from Ukraine? Highly likely the answer is both. I don't completely disagree. I mean, I don't know for sure what we need is evidence, but we have this from Jim Ferguson on Twitter. Jim Ferguson, UK. He is former parliamentary candidate with the Brexit party in Barnsley reporting breaking news. Israel, U.S. weapons left behind in Afghanistan used to attack Israel. A high ranking Israel,
Starting point is 00:34:40 Israel Defense Forces commander said U.S. weapons left in Afghanistan by the Biden administration were found in the hands of Palestinian groups active in the Gaza Strip. The chaos that erupted after the U.S. scrambled to evacuate Afghanistan, as ordered by Biden, and the significant amount of weapons and equipment left behind there has now been used to attack Israel, a close ally of the U.S. Biden is incapable of leadership and a total embarrassment on the world stage. I don't know that any of this is confirmed, right? We have this link. I wonder if it works. This is Amaj News. I don't know what this source is. Take these things with a grain of salt. This is a story from June 18th, 2023. Weapons left by the US and Afghanistan reached the hands of Palestinian militants, says Israel. And again, this is from June.
Starting point is 00:35:30 So it may be the case. And I think it is fair to say, considering the Taliban's desire to support Gaza, the Palestinians, it makes sense that the weapons that they got control over would fall into the hands of the Palestinians. Now, the bigger picture, I suppose, is whether or not any of this is true. as i met as i mentioned a moment ago people when it comes to israel palestine their brains shut off i'm sorry i'm not saying literally everyone maybe not you guys but it's impossible to have conversations with people about this we've even had guests like i mentioned who just lose it and can't hear a reason their brains are just not working the point is that being, this will be tremendously bad for Joe Biden. When Afghanistan happened, Joe Biden lost something like 15 points in the polls.
Starting point is 00:36:10 I imagine Netanyahu cannot stand the guy. I imagine he finds no comfort in Biden being around, being in control. You want to call it obviously the surrender of military equipment and human life to the Taliban in Afghanistan was one of those egregious losses of American military. Right. I mean, this this theory is even on the table because Biden handled Afghanistan so poorly. Right. We can't totally know for sure. You know, I agree with him. Take it with a grain of salt. But the fact that we know weapons and other supplies were left behind means that this is on the table in the first place, which again is a direct responsibility of the Biden administration. I don't understand how anyone can defend Biden going into 2024, given the record and the position that he has put everyone in in the last, what, two years of his presidency. But I don't like that everyone is
Starting point is 00:37:01 kind of jumping on the Biden administration and trying to blame America for this conflict. This conflict has been going on for a long time, to say the least. For sure, for sure. And everyone wants to always attribute things to America like, oh, they released the aid to the sanctions on Iran. So they got six billion. It's like that hasn't been confirmed. We don't know that Iran directly directed this attack. We don't know that the funds were directly used.
Starting point is 00:37:27 But what we're seeing are people like Senator Lindsey Graham and the neocons in the Republican Party trying to score points against Biden and saying we need to bomb Iran's oil refineries when we don't even know what the facts are yet. We don't even know the extent of this stuff yet. Someone pointed that out about Lindsey Graham. He's almost 70 and has no kids, so he has nothing to lose. Hey, look, I'll tell you what.
Starting point is 00:37:52 He's not here for a long time. He's here for a good time. He wants to put on the cowboy hat and ride the atomic bomb down and like, what was that? I actually visualized him going to the front lines in his fat body. He would not, though. Come on, Lin. Hey, look, man. If you tell me that you're in favor of uh funding and support for any country no
Starting point is 00:38:11 matter what it is israel or ukraine hey man i got some uh military pts we got some ammo we'll suit you up we'll put you in basic training we'll send you right off first light and when i visualize him going he'd be like i'm too old to go But it's okay for your relatives and sons and children to go. It's fine with him. Hey, man, look, you know, more people is still better, right? So if you're in favor of going to war with any country, like, I got to, we could suit you up. You know what I mean? So the people who are all for intervention in Ukraine, it's like, let's suit you up, buddy.
Starting point is 00:38:38 Like, and look, a lot of the people did go. That's crazy. Remember that guy from, what was that msnbc guy who went to ukraine oh yeah yeah who was that i don't know who it was malcolm nance oh yeah yeah either that fake video where he pointed and didn't he pretend that like there was like an airstrike or something when there was no there was like there was like a you heard a sound of a jet or something yeah and he goes he's like one two bomb three bombings that's what's happening it's like oh shut up dude yeah those are look man at least he went there i guess it reminds me of that movie uh edge of He goes, he's like, one, two bomb, three bombings. That's what's happening. It's like, oh, shut up, dude. Yeah, that was early on.
Starting point is 00:39:05 But hey, look, man, at least he went there, I guess. It reminds me of that movie, Edge of Tomorrow, when they're like going to send Tom Cruise to the front line. Like, and Malcolm Nance, you're going in. But hey, look, look, I'm not saying that Israel's right or wrong. I'm just saying if you want military funding for any of these countries, Lindsey Graham wants to bomb Iran, bro, I will put you in that plane. You can pull the
Starting point is 00:39:25 lever let's get you let's get you going buddy my point is this they won't do it no no they want you they want your kids to go die for this yeah that's sick you know i think this is not a war of islam against judaism i think it's a war of it is release us from this open-air prison no no i don't think it's a religious thing because it's been emerged for dude that doesn't explain it's always been for hezbollah land it's always been for land even though they hezbollah exists okay all right iran has stated they want to kill jews they'll use it it's it is it is not about but i'm thinking about 9-11 which is why i brought it up because they said it's the it's the muslims that want it no we wanted the oil in the middle east so we went in and took it and we said muslim muslim and we caused all this chaos and the oil in the middle east so we went in and took it and we
Starting point is 00:40:05 said muslim muslim and we caused all this chaos and it was just like that was stupid of me because now i'm i'm like i want to i'm thinking like dude the worst threat we could face is islamic terrorists it's not okay it is terrorism in general but i think the russians are christian i mean the russians are like orthodox christian they should be on our side defending what's right you know what's what's good and right i'm not saying it's a real but i don't want it to turn into some religious thing it's just we gotta we gotta call a white peace in in ukraine and start working together to defend earth i mean i don't think ukraine wants to you can't you can in russia have not uh successfully worked out a peace deal i'll say that and i think it would be impossible to say okay guys we've got a new world
Starting point is 00:40:43 conflict so you guys just take a pause and we'll move on I mean what I'm waiting for next is anything to happen in Taiwan because everyone can tell that we are on the brink of very serious chaos and I think everyone knows the US doesn't have strong leadership I agree with your point we can't blame the Biden administration for everything there are lots of historical factors going
Starting point is 00:41:00 in I just know that in the last three years we have not positioned ourselves the way I would like to be going into this kind of conflict. And there's a question about whether the American leadership of the American federal government is best serving the American people. I can't say internationally what's going on. We can blame the Biden administration. Yeah. I mean, look, we can reduce any argument. We can go further and further back. What was the real cause of World War Two? World War One. What was the real cause of World War II?
Starting point is 00:41:26 World War I. What was the real cause of World War I? Okay, fine. At a certain point, we talk about the actions here. Under Donald Trump, Abraham Accords, normalization of relations between Israel and many Arabic nations. Donald Trump, no new wars. And while there was budding conflict with Ukraine and and russia under obama it stops when trump gets in weird trump actually starts investigating this uh this corruption how strange isis decimated
Starting point is 00:41:53 the intention of the existing administration the uniparty in this country is to perpetuate war for their neo-liberal new world order whatever you call it those are their words not mine when they say the what do they call the liberal world order and the liberal economic order or the new world order whatever you want to call it those are their words not mine when they say the what do they call the liberal world order and the liberal economic order or the new world order again it was the cfr that called it a new world order whatever you or i think they also call it like the american-led liberal economic order they'll specify that it was an american-led thing trump's attitude is like we're going to secure our borders and bring manufacturing back and mind our own business and everyone else was, okay, that sounds good to us. And then Biden gets in and he's like, I'm going to blow him up.
Starting point is 00:42:27 And now we've got war everywhere, which is crazy. So yeah, I'm sorry. It's like at a certain point, I'm not going to go into the nitty gritty of all the classified documents to determine was Russia biding their time. And it was just a coincidence that all of this happened the way it did. And just be like, nah, the simple answer is this. Under Donald Trump, no war. Under Joe Biden, lots of war. I think it's Biden administration's fault. And Trump even had Bolton
Starting point is 00:42:50 in. Come on. Trump at one point told Putin that if he aggressed, he would Trump would nuke Moscow. He told Xi Jinping that as well. And then he, I think he was like, I don't know if he believed me, but it was five, even if it was 5%, that's enough. Trump said that and he's right. Yeah, it's any kind of doubt. I mean, he was the one who carried out.
Starting point is 00:43:05 No one believes that Biden could do the same thing. And I think, I don't know. I know we're going to talk about RFK Jr. in a second, but I just really think this is one of the moments that Democrats are going to have to evaluate if they can get behind the Biden administration for a second term. I think this might be it for him.
Starting point is 00:43:22 This is going to destroy the Biden. His base is like pro-Palestine. I mean, I think so. Him sending support to Israel immediately. No, they're absolutely not. You don't think the far left base? No, the average Democrat voter probably doesn't know or care at all and might just give you a generic, but we support Israel.
Starting point is 00:43:37 Far leftists will vote for Joe Biden because they're crazy people. And but not all of them did. But but a lot of them did. A lot of these prominent leftists and Antifa people who have big social media followings endorsed joe biden and said like we're we got to support him because trump's a fascist so they did uh they they support palestine but but joe biden's actual voter base which is the default liberal is probably more aligned with israel the ignorant masses yeah they're masses all they hear is democrats saying like israel's an ally we must protect them they go yeah the far leftists are like
Starting point is 00:44:10 palestinians you know from the river to see etc etc and then you have conservatives who understand quite a bit more and overtly support israel not all of them but a lot of them and then you have libertarians who don't want us involved in any of it that actually is funny it's not working for me anymore. I used to start to think along those lines of non-inventualism, but not anymore. Why? What changed? I thought a lot about World War II, and if we hadn't gotten involved in World War II, what would have happened? Hitler would have taken over the world.
Starting point is 00:44:40 I really don't think so. I mean, he was about to. He took France in like three weeks. Taking over the world is a very, very bold and kind of crazy statement considering he would have taken Europe. He would have taken Britain. He would have taken Europe. He would have taken Britain. And he would have murdered lots and lots of innocent people. But the world is a bit much.
Starting point is 00:44:56 You know, right now they're saying like Vladimir Putin is going to take Poland. I'm like, oh, shut up. Come on. No way. Come on. No way. You know, they're like, they're like the russian forces are decimated and they're losing and ukraine's winning but he'll take poland right dude i think i was saying was
Starting point is 00:45:12 it before the show i've been so accustomed to false flags just because golf of tonkin i was talking my dad he was like oh yeah that was he went he served in vietnam he was in the navy and he remembers the false so that i'm like so anti-interventionist but uh then sometimes people just get attacked sometimes your country gets invaded and I've never lived that life because I'm from the United States in the late 90s you know where we never got invaded but now sometimes it just sometimes it can happen and you got to be realistic about that there's no time to waffle if your country's under attack you can't let the hot air balloon float all the way across your landmass like you have split second decision that we did let it float across america yeah it's asinine and montana was like wait there's something here and we were just like
Starting point is 00:45:53 who knows we'll just see what happens oh wait we shot it down later i mean i i get you know the desire to sort of feel like you you need to right. But in this case, you have to go back to like, our government is to serve the American people. And what is ultimately the best interest of the American people? I can understand an argument for we have allies, we've made agreements, we've made deals. But, you know, I think the president has the duty to the American people first. And we can't forget that.
Starting point is 00:46:20 I want to pull this story from CNN. 11 US citizens dead in Israel conflict, Biden says. And then we have this from ABC. Biden says it is likely Americans are among Hamas hostages with 11 killed. I don't see how Biden can recover from this electorally. He's already down. And now you have it. It doesn't matter what you think is true. In fact, doesn't even matter what is true. It matters what people end up believing is true. Certainly, I do believe the truth matters and we try our best to get to it. But the political ads are all going to say one simple line under Donald Trump, historic peace agreements with Israel under Joe Biden, 11 Americans dead in escalating conflict,
Starting point is 00:47:01 Afghanistan withdrawal. It's just he's going these these his i don't see how he pulls out of this yeah when it comes to military i think you realize that nothing else really matters when when your survival is on the line i haven't heard the word trans in like three days i haven't seen anything about culture war crap on twitter maybe one or two things it's all been about the death and destruction and potential loss of life. That's all that really matters when it comes down to it. Well, it is Indigenous Peoples Day, and that is a big thing. And I didn't even know that until like four o'clock. And I was like, are we doing a show
Starting point is 00:47:33 tonight? It's Columbus Day. It's all over Twitter. Oh, well, I see Israel, Palestine, Gaza in my Twitter feed, and I'm glad. We need a strong military commander. That's what we need right now. I think, I mean... So, sorry, Ian, you were saying you're not, you used to be anti-intervention. You're not anymore. Would you support U.S. intervention in Israel? Yes.
Starting point is 00:47:52 In fact, yes. Immediate intervention. And for better or worse, to help bring water to the people of Gaza, for starters. Well, that's in Palestine. I mean, but like in the region, you're saying yes to intervention. I would like to facilitate some sort of peace deal. I'm not advocating for blowing people up at this point. Yes, you and millions of people for generations would like to broker a peace deal.
Starting point is 00:48:13 Good luck. Yeah. But yeah, absolutely. I think we need to be. We're the strongest military force on earth. We need to be involved. So what do you think? You think like U.S. boots on the ground?
Starting point is 00:48:21 Troops? No. No. Israel's capable of taking care of itself. So you're not talking about intervention. You're talking about like NGO aid? But if you said israel's cable of tinker itself then military what do you want us to do i'm we're on tv man i can't really i can't really say that stuff on tv the biden administration already announced they're giving weapons to israel yeah for this right now so that's already happened i support it i absolutely support it man whether or not
Starting point is 00:48:46 whether or not they let this thing happen those dudes murdered raped like they they were they killed about from what i'm reading about this music festival did they rape they killed people and then they raped women right next to their friends dead corpses that's true this is what i've been reading i don't this is all i mean that could be there's like propaganda bro it could be it could be maybe the whole thing's war i don't know a lot of it is and so watch out because when ukraine the ukraine war started all that look let's be honest israel is so much better propaganda than but i think it was two things that a man needs and will kill for is eating and having sex and if these men are military and there are no women in their society oh you better believe
Starting point is 00:49:23 they want to have sex yeah but they're not it's not like these guys were like oh i'm so angry i want to it's more like these evil oppressors will know when we control them and they want to subjugate the people that they they they view as oppressors right it's a display of brutality yeah and then the psychotic urges of masculinity come out when they're in battle after the after the kill the man wants well it's it's it's not that it's it's you're you're you're thinking of it it's it's it's a lot of it is spitting in the face of the of israel taking taking the women is an insult to israel it was it was known throughout time like when a when a alexander the greats forces or like a a military force would invade and take a city the commander would have to tell the troops do not pillage do not rape and a shitty commander wouldn't be able to keep his troops under wraps and they just go destroy and so like a good commander would keep his men from doing it but
Starting point is 00:50:13 it was just the the um proclivity for uh you know a worn out dude that just got done putting his life on the line his adrenaline's all burned out he's got women all around him now and he hasn't had sex in two years okay do you think we should say uh put boots on the ground to uh to liberate the uighur muslims in china no why because uh china would launch nuclear weapons if we try to do that oh okay so it's only because the the people in palestine can't actually do anything else in retaliation that we should actually try and stop them well no well no no i'm not saying that we should put boots on the ground or anything i think israeli soldiers are qualified and capable of handling that situation right now if there's i heard hezbollah may be making moves in the north um if there's
Starting point is 00:50:52 an actual full-scale invasion into israel and they call for help we have to help i don't even want to but i mean why does that mean if you're saying we shouldn't have boots on the ground how do you want us to help like what i'm just really curious like um because if neither side is willing to come to the table and negotiate peace what is all the way nuclear war well what so we shouldn't have boots on the ground but you want to go to nuclear war well we're talking about life and death of the human race you have to put that on the table what do you mean we're talking about what the world means death for all of us yeah my question is like why do you care about israel to the point where you think we should intervene and provide aid but no other countries um maybe because it's probably like our
Starting point is 00:51:28 third strongest ally maybe next to germany and if they go down i think that china russia north korea and iran will take over the world world war three but israel is capable fully capable they're an advanced technologically advanced military they are fully capable on their own of defeating Hamas. So I think a danger here is that Israel, this goes into a broader war and Israel has in the back of their mind, well, if we get into trouble, the U.S. will bail us out. That's dangerous. We don't want them thinking, well, if this does escalate, the U. the US will bail us out Because then we're all of a sudden in a really dangerous situation Do you feel like Trump would have handled this differently from your time in his administration?
Starting point is 00:52:16 You know, I don't know how he would be handling it I think I think that Trump would fully support Israel's right to self-defense and fighting against Hamas and and defeating them but I think Trump is known for his restraint. And there was a similar incident where Saudi Arabia did a, or there was some kind of drone attack and they blamed Iran. It was in Yemen. They blamed Iran for a drone attack that was against Saudi Arabia's interests in Yemen yemen and trump people were calling on trump to attack iran and trump didn't go for it he said no absolutely not like this isn't our conflict we're not getting involved in it well he specifically said that the amount of people
Starting point is 00:52:55 who would die in the retaliation strike was not worth it it was it was uh it was not what's the right word commensurate yeah that's right we're not opportunity cost was too great yeah you could say that it wasn't uh um i can't think of the opportunity gosh men's art is that what you're thinking well it was proportional proportional there you go it wasn't proportional the the the drone attack the you know killing hundreds of uh you know militants is way got the harsh reality of war sometimes is you want a non-proportional response in order to make it all stop before it escalates. It's horrible to think this. I've never lived like this.
Starting point is 00:53:29 Yeah, that's the big stick ethos. That was what a lot of Americans in World War II thought with the nuclear weapons. Oh, I got stung by a wasp. Let's go find the wasp nest and annihilate it kind of thing. Well, I mean, that's a little different. Similar. If people are getting stung by wasps, you probably want to get rid of the wasp's nest. You better. You don't just take out the few wasps getting stung by wasps, you probably want to get rid of the wasp's nest. You better.
Starting point is 00:53:47 You don't just take out the few wasps that stung you. We're not talking about... So that would be a proportional response. You eradicate all of them if one of them stings you. Yeah, but what you're arguing is a wasp stung you, so you brought a flamethrower, and you wanted all the other wasps... I'm not going to travel the Earth to kill all the wasps.
Starting point is 00:54:03 You wanted the other wasps to watch it happen so that they would not have to sting you ever again. That's what you're saying. I don't want them to suffer. I just want to make it stop. I'm not sure I can follow up. I don't want to burn them alive. I just want the conflict to stop. I don't want to make them die in pain, but that doesn't mean that I don't want them.
Starting point is 00:54:20 What the hell are we doing? There's no solving this. I'm sorry. It's war. It's war. It's war. And people have chosen a side in the war have a nice day this goes back a hundred plus years or even longer thousands you can all right you can go thousands of years and it's like everyone's gonna be like this land belongs to this no this man loves i'm right no i'm right in the end bro i'm 37 years old this has been going on a lot longer than i've been alive. My response is, whoa, why are they killing all the civilians?
Starting point is 00:54:46 And what do I get? Tim, Israel is an apartheid state, and these people are freedom fighters. And I'm like, bro, they're killing civilians. Why are you supporting Israel? Israel is stealing our money. I'm like, dude, I don't care about any of this. I'm talking about these arguments. What I'm telling you is the war is bad.
Starting point is 00:55:02 Civilians shouldn't be dying. You can't come to me and be like israel should not be uh targeting it should not be taking action against uh the hamas targets the al-qaeda brigades and i'm like what they're shooting at them the art like what's the what's the argument you walk outside and the guy's got a ruger 10 22 and he's firing at you and he hit some of your kids so and the only weapon and so you pull out your you know your scar 20s and then you're like i'm gonna Like, whoa, but yours is way bigger than his. It kind of feels like. War is war, dude.
Starting point is 00:55:28 When the American colonists were colonizing North America and slaughtering the native population. It's similar to that, but we didn't have internet video back then. We'd have had the same conversation like, well, you know, but what happened? The natives would come into town, the guerrilla force. They'd tomahawk some dudes, grab some women, take them back to the tribe. And then the Americans Would go with their rifles And slaughtered all of them Well there's two things
Starting point is 00:55:47 There's two things with that A lot of the Plains Indians That was the regular life For Plains Indians That was an understanding Of Plains Indians Attacking other Indians Within the United States
Starting point is 00:55:54 Understanding that's what Was going to happen to men Indigenous people Right Exactly So we're dealing From this company He doesn't know our language
Starting point is 00:56:01 Indigenous people In this country Whatever you want to call them That was the understanding Among Plains Indians That's how life was that was the understanding that they did to us they didn't take it and it wasn't special for them in any way this is different because as far as i understand this regions in west bank gaza etc were not really inhabited until israel became a state and then there was reason to be able to support populations those areas and they immigrated into
Starting point is 00:56:19 it that's what i understand about it i may be wrong but that's what i understand so i don't think it's the same thing indigenous people versus people that migrated there after there was a state established and allow them to survive in those areas i don wrong, but that's what I understand. So I don't think it's the same thing. Indigenous people versus people that migrated after there was a state established and allowed them to survive in those areas, I don't know if that's exactly the same. It's not comparable, yeah.
Starting point is 00:56:30 No, it's not comparable. I wouldn't say it is, but you know. Like the colony of Israel in 1918, the British mandate for Palestine, you don't think that's- Well, that was 1948.
Starting point is 00:56:37 That was 1948. That was much later, much later than that. Well, that's when Israel got formed, but the British mandate was in 1918. You ever read I Am Legend, Ian? No no i've seen the movie the movie is is nothing the movie does not relate to the story at all the the movie should never have been made right and and that it's awful the
Starting point is 00:56:56 book is much better and uh fully admit i did not read it uh i've only seen the select passages that convey the general concept of what the book is about. And the book is about a guy who is, he's a vampire hunter and he kills vampires because vampires are bad. And then in the end, he finally realizes that because the world has fallen to vampires and he is one of the last humans, he is the legend. From the perspective of humans, there is a legend of vampires that in the middle of the night come and kill you while you sleep. When the world became all vampires, there was a legend of a man who lurks during the day and kills you in your sleep. That was his realization that they arrested him and were to try him for the crimes of murder. And they were terrified of him.
Starting point is 00:57:42 He was a monster. He was the monster. In 2005, 6, 7, 8, I was like, screw Israel. crimes of murder and and they were terrified of him he was a monster he was the monster in the in um 2005 678 i was like screw israel they they've colonized this is unjust it should be dismantled i was in that state of mind and then i started to realize like that life is about power and who controls the power controls the narrative and your lifestyle so i'm not willing to give up this american republicanism for like some anti-colonialism. I'm just not, man.
Starting point is 00:58:08 I just don't know what the proposed solution is right now when you have Israel for all their faults and then Palestinians don't want peace. They want from the river to the sea. These are act like they'll lie to you. The left lies to the left lies to you all the time. We know they lie. We know far left lies. They are evil people. They lie, lie, lie. They're trying to sterilize children. They want you to you. The left lies to you. The left lies to you all the time. We know they lie. We know far left lies. They are evil people.
Starting point is 00:58:25 They lie, lie, lie. They're trying to sterilize children. They want you to abort your kids. They do a whole bunch of things. And then they go in politics. They lie. There's a video where Jack Posobiec got punched in the face and the cops witnessed it. And the far left activists say to the cops, I didn't see anything happen.
Starting point is 00:58:39 They just lie with a smug look on their face. You have videos of the people in New York amongst their peers cheering for the killing of civilians, calling them illegal colonizers. We as regular regular people are like, OK, we can understand the nuances of military conflict. Don't like these these stories we're being told, but will not tolerate civilians at a music festival being just murdered and dragged to the streets. Then they'll lie and say, oh, but our poor civilians will make propaganda videos. What is what? What does one do right now? Right now? I don't know about anything else. All I know is I'm sitting here right now looking at the conflict and I'm like, I've been to Israel. There are people going to the store and buying falafel. They're not fighting with each other. Why should they be murdered by Hamas and Al-Qassam brigades? They shouldn't be.
Starting point is 00:59:23 OK, well, what happens when these terrorists come in and start killing civilians like they just did in the worst possible way we've seen ever? Should Israel just be like, well, you know, it is what it is.
Starting point is 00:59:32 We're being killed. No, they shouldn't. The reality is we want peace. We want a peace agreement. Unfortunately, I think overwhelmingly it falls to the Palestinians and the ideologues,
Starting point is 00:59:42 more so Hamas, but yes, in many ways, the Palestinians, they just want to purge Israelrael completely what do you do that's not a solution that's not there's no compromise if they're saying we don't care what you want to negotiate we will kill everyone i'm like okay well there's no negotiating with these people and we're not going to let you just go and kill a bunch of jewish people in israel now you want to make an argument that israel's shouldn't be there whatever it's like okay fine bro, the only thing they're offering is genocide.
Starting point is 01:00:06 There's no argument. There's no compromise. And Israel is there. Like, we can't go back and change anything like that. I mean, I really stand by that peace deals always means that someone is upset because they lost. Right. In this case, you're completely right.
Starting point is 01:00:20 There's not a clear compromise. And so as much as we'd like to see a ceasefire, as as we wouldn't like to see people lost we wouldn't like to see civilians taken hostage like we can all agree these things are bad on the other hand it's not like we can just be like hey guys stop stop fighting just stop like that's obviously not a reasonable solution it's not logical in any way the united states can't solve this right you know and i don't i don't know why it's it's insane to me that people are so fervent about it because it's like, I got an idea. Let's secure our borders, bring manufacturing back to this country, get rid of these garbage
Starting point is 01:00:51 international agreements like TPP, make America great again. And then when people are like, you're about the conflict happening. And no, I didn't because I'm concerned about our borders, which are currently porous and have millions of people. This is an example of one of Jesus's parables when he said, take the plank out of your own eye before you try and take the speck of dust out of your brother's eye or your friend or whatever. Like, clean yourself up. You gotta clean your room
Starting point is 01:01:11 before you try and clean up the world A George Peterson parable. That's right Here's the story from the Associated Press RFK Jr.'s independent run for president draws GOP criticism and silence from National Democrats. I find fascinating.
Starting point is 01:01:26 Republicans attacked our FK Jr. on Monday as the longtime environmental lawyer, blah, blah, blah. Now threatening to take votes from former President Donald Trump. I believe this is propaganda and a lie. The Republican National Committee and Trump's campaign both took aim at Kennedy's liberal background, while national Democrats stayed silent as Kennedy insisted in a speech in Philadelphia. Quote, voters should not be deceived by anyone who pretends to have conservative values said trump spokesperson stephen chung in a statement he labeled kennedy's campaign nothing more than a vanity project for a liberal kennedy looking to cash in on his family's name it's really funny
Starting point is 01:01:56 because um democrats are hurt by this not not donald trump i don't know if y'all watched his speech where he talked about finally the united states can recognize indigenous people's day and stand up you know blah blah left woke talking point and said he wants to have a new declaration of independence independence from the corporations that are doing all these things and i'm like i don't see this guy pulling any trump voters he might uh the crowd looked to be more liberal leaning and cheering for him saying indigenous people's day i think this narrative of criticism from the gop is because they're trying to keep democrats unified and they want rfk to be seen as trump the way they stop rfk from pulling votes from
Starting point is 01:02:38 democrats is by convincing democrats that rfk jr is a trump supporter or a trump in in some way yeah and he teed himself up to have this moment in his speech where he could have potentially really courted Trump voters and then he let it go. I mean, he did say a lot of really interesting stuff along the way, and I thought it was perfectly fine. He said at one point, you know, his big tenet was we need to give up our addiction to picking sides. And I thought that was a great, great sentiment, right? So many people don't want to hear anything. They know they're supposed to fall under a certain label or side of a certain party. So they just continue to agree with it no matter what. He was
Starting point is 01:03:11 saying, for example, over the past six months, I've really started to listen to different people and I've gone to the border and I've talked to border patrol agents and migrants and people in the community. And I've really started to rethink my position on this. And then he moved on. He didn't say, so I would commit to building the wall, so I would commit to ending birthright citizenship. He didn't take any strong Republican talking points. He just continued to say, I'm flirting with the idea of perhaps being more serious about border control.
Starting point is 01:03:39 If he really wanted to court Trump voters, he would have taken a strong stance on the border during the speech. You know, I think that there are a lot of Democrats who are unhappy with Biden does not poll well. What is it 60% think he's too old. And so even though I think it's like 68 sinks, it's some ridiculous number. So ultimately, RFK is just needing to be different than Biden. And he is going to do that. Obviously, I mean, other than our scenario where he, you know, collapsed on stage and Newsom takes over,
Starting point is 01:04:09 we know the DNC would never let RFK be the front runner. And so the independent is the best way he can court voters at all, like Ross Perot. What do you think about him, James? I like RFK. I think he's run a great campaign, especially by saying he's going to focus on the deep state. His whole campaign has been about the deep state is unaccountable to the American people, and my number one priority is going to be fixing these government agencies, like HHS that destroyed the country in 2020. So I think his campaign has been great. He may be playing to get more Democrat votes now, but I do think the effect would be to take more Republicans,
Starting point is 01:04:51 or at least right-leaning independents. Why would a right-leaning independent vote for Kennedy? Because they see all his appearances on all these shows, which are overwhelmingly right-leaning, and he's speaking to right-leaning voters. he's talking to, he's speaking to, I think he's speaking to right-leaning voters. He's anti-vax. His whole thing is opposing the COVID tyranny, opposing the deep state, and the left-wing media hasn't given him any oxygen, whereas the right-wing media has been giving him all his oxygen. But there are many people on the left who hated the lockdowns as well. Yeah, that's true don't think as many you're just sure but like i i don't see that
Starting point is 01:05:30 as being strong enough if if you come out in your announcement speech celebrating indigenous people's day i'm not sure the anti-woke post-liberals are going to be like that's my guy i saw that and i cringed are you just saying he he's more likely to also anti-gun to capture like the right-leaning centrists because that's the media he's in. So that's who's getting the eyeballs. That's like, those are the people that happen to be seeing him. Exactly. I think that's what's fueling his campaign or the right-leaning centrist kind of the Joe Rogan listener crowd is what's fueling RFK's campaign. And the Republican nominee, if Trump wants to win in 2024, the key to victory is to get that crowd. See, I can see where you're coming from, but he has RFK has steadily gained among Democrats. I mean, he came out at like,
Starting point is 01:06:18 what, 5 percent. He's almost up to 20 percent, but he were building among Democrats now. So as much as maybe there are a couple people who are excited about him, who are sort of moderate to, you know, almost independent Republicans will say, I think there are more people who are discontented in his base that he will pull away. The numbers aren't proportional. I think it will hurt Democrats more than I hope you guys are right. And it'll be interesting to see what voters RFK targets now. And if he shifts the style of his campaign, like you just said, Tim, where maybe this is more a leftward shift, he's that's always interesting to see what voters rfk targets now and if he shifts the style of his campaign like you just said tim where maybe this is more a leftward shift he's but that's always been his
Starting point is 01:06:49 campaign like it's been conservatives that have been hooting and hollering because they like what he said about covid but they're ignoring everything else that he said i mean and a lot of they never would have voted but he's a lot of libertarians have come out and been like the dude is anti-gun he's like a liberal who just his only position that aligns with conservatives is that he didn't like the COVID lockdown. But he's also been very critical of woke culture, cancel culture, and the far left. And I think the Republicans like him for that reason, too. He's kind of this symbol of, you know, I'm a non-woke liberal.
Starting point is 01:07:19 And Republicans love to jump on that. I just think that there are lots of moderates who lean left socially that also feel that way. I think we don't give enough credit the fact that the DNC and the Biden administration have to court the middle ground when they have positioned themselves more and more towards the left. I think that he just needs to be not establishment to abide in DNC. I think that the Republicans have enough on the field where it's unlikely that they will see tons of Republicans flocking to RFK because, you know, he ultimately is an environmentalist lawyer. I mean, he's not someone that is going to capture people on their base. I think what I find most interesting about his shift towards being an independent candidate is what he said, which was that, you know, it is painful for me to leave the party that my family's political legacy comes from.
Starting point is 01:08:08 But I think it's so often that we see the media, obviously, for, in my opinion, biased reasons, focusing on fractures within the Republican Party that they gloss over the splintering that is going on among Democrats. And that's real. It's documented even if the mainstream media, the AP News, doesn't want to talk about it. And Cornel West, who is more left wing, is now also going to run as independent. So that's definitely taking votes away from the Democrat.
Starting point is 01:08:34 According to Ipsos, in a three-way race with RFK Jr. as an independent, you have Biden getting 31, Trump getting 33, and RFK Jr. getting 14. Without RFK Jr., it's a statistical tie between Biden and Trump. So Ipsos data from October 3rd to the 4th shows that RFK Jr. hurts the Democrats. So and this is what I this is what I thought.
Starting point is 01:08:57 If you take a look at the graph, you can actually see that there is only tiny red sliver that jumps to RFK, but a larger portion of the Democrats. Why? Trump supporters will crawl over broken glass to vote for him. Democrat voters think Joe Biden's too old and don't like him. They just don't like Trump. And I mean, I was looking at a poll that came out of New Hampshire a couple of weeks ago. You know, they'll say, who are you planning on voting for? And they'll say, who's your second choice candidate? And it's not like Republicans are
Starting point is 01:09:22 saying, well, if it's if it's not my number one choice, you know, DeSantis, Trump, whoever it is, I'm going to switch to RFK. They're going to pick another Republican that they're more likely to, whereas Democrats are not particularly happy with Biden already. And so if they're presented an alternative, it's more likely that they'll pick it.
Starting point is 01:09:39 Yeah, like Vivek. I think he's a much more favorable candidate to a Republican mindset than RFK. To Republicans, but not to Democrats, whereas RFK is, you know,'s a much more favorable candidate to Republican mindset than to Republicans, but not to Democrats. Whereas RFK is, you know, at least baseline more Republican, especially to that moderate class that I think the DNC really overlooks. I mean, they trample on them all the time. I'm excited about it, guys. I love when we have a third party candidate.
Starting point is 01:10:00 I mean, I will say I listen to this whole speech because that's what I do for my job. And I like that he talked about he had this line saying, you know, there have been independent candidates in the past, but this time is going to be different because you're going to win. And I don't think that's necessarily true. But I do think that it's nice to see someone who is representing people who are frustrated with the party system. Teddy Roosevelt won third party. Yeah, he did. Take a look at this. Kennedy family members call RFK Jr.'s independent bid dangerous to our country. To be fair, they were doing that before.
Starting point is 01:10:31 They really don't like him. Christmas and Thanksgiving are going to be super awkward for the Kennedy family this year. Yep. They're getting these strip boats away from them. Can you imagine having Thanksgiving with your family and you're a former governor, your brother's a senator,
Starting point is 01:10:44 your other brother's running for president, and you're just brother is a Senator, your other brother's running for president. And you're just like, you know, you shouldn't be running for president. It's like, well, I'm going to, it's like guys,
Starting point is 01:10:49 no politics at the table. Yeah. Yeah. He was saying his dad would have them all talk politics, Bobby. Or like, I think his grandpa would have his dad and his uncle, John.
Starting point is 01:10:59 And I mean, his speech, he's name dropping everybody because they really did have such a dynasty in his life. I mean, it's not a joke. I just can't imagine, you know, working out like, he's name dropping everybody because they really did have such a dynasty uh in his life i mean it's not a joke i just can't imagine you know working out like hey you're not invited to thanksgiving this year because you're running for president as a third party candidate they're like cool i didn't want to go anyways yeah he's actually said his family disagrees with him
Starting point is 01:11:20 politically but they get along and he has a bunch of uh pretty mainstream i mean not that hollywood is where you should put all your your interest but he has a lot of celebrity followers, isn't it? Like Woody Harrelson, he had the concert with, I can't remember his name off the top of my head, but RFK has appeal in a way that Biden does not in a lot of aspects of culture. His wife is super famous actor, Cheryl Hines from Curb Your Enthusiasm. I'm just going to say it. Her outfit today was great. I would be happy to have her come on as a first lady.
Starting point is 01:11:49 Very stylish. What was her outfit? She wore this like white, double-breasted button-down suit. And it just, she looked classy. I can't help it. I don't really want her husband to be president, but I'm happy that he's in the race.
Starting point is 01:12:01 We're going to get some great moments from her. I've always liked this girl. She's a great actor, man. She anchored that show, curb your enthusiasm. And Cheryl, his wife,
Starting point is 01:12:10 is this it? Yeah, but that's not today's picture. I'll find out. Right. Yeah. I'm trying to find it. You just look up share of her dress.
Starting point is 01:12:15 Apparently it's not the thing the mainstream media wants to report on. That's so rude of them. Yeah, I know. You know, I'm over here trying to have a serious news program and let people know the clothing. I slowly convert IRL to a fashion review program. you so much everybody what do you think cheryl looks
Starting point is 01:12:30 like it seems like um she has no political acumen i can't tell for sure but she seems like she's like a normie actor like not normie but she's like outside the the whole thing do you think that's good was it this yes oh okay i mean that's kind of basic it's basic but it's white it's pretty it's fitted well she doesn't look overdone she doesn't like to strain too hard i i i just i don't get what the argument is as to why trump voters would choose kennedy i just don't get it look especially because we got melania i i i'm in a position where it's like i've been saying i'm 51 for trump he's the best option that we have. I hope he fires people. I think his foreign policy was the best we've seen of my lifetime.
Starting point is 01:13:08 But I think that there are character defects of the guy. And it's like, obviously, there could be better. When I say 51, I'm basically saying as far as presidents go, being a net positive is a really powerful thing for me to say. But JFK Jr., it's like, oh, he's cool. I'm glad he's speaking up against the COVID lockdown lockdown stuff but i would never vote for the guy how much i was gonna ask you james like how much of of the president's value and effectivity is like based is all around that one guy and around how much of it is around the people he surrounds himself with well i think it's been a trend in american politics since fdr of the presidency becoming more and more ceremonial over time, to the point today where today's president has a 100th the power that FDR did.
Starting point is 01:13:51 Curtis Yarvin has talked about that a lot. The deep state has become a massive problem, and the people truly pulling the levers of power are kind of this expert class at the top of the bureaucracy that, of course, leans left and is permanent. You know, they have civil service protections and it makes it hard for a president to control the bureaucracy and control the policy. And it's not just for Republicans. It's for Democrats, too, although the bureaucracy just tends to agree with them more. It's kind of just a coincidence. Is that why you got involved with your project with Heritage?
Starting point is 01:14:30 Yeah, that's the idea behind Project 2025 at Heritage, actually, which is basically an effort to get the personnel right this next administration and also an effort to make sure that the bureaucrats that have the true levers of power in our bureaucracy are able to be held accountable. That doesn't mean we're going to fire all of them, but if somebody is obstructing policy, it's making sure that person can be fired. Because, you know, all these candidates love to talk about what they're going to do, but if you don't first get the bureaucracy under control, you can't do anything else. So I imagine the president's pretty neutered when it comes to that,
Starting point is 01:15:05 but with a good staff, with a good, like what would be an example, like what are the top three or five roles that the president would need to surround him or herself with? Like what are the top five powerful roles that they would pick and put? I know chief of staff would be one of them. Chief of staff is extremely important.
Starting point is 01:15:21 I don't think it's necessarily the roles. I think it's the actions the president would need to take. There is a massive barrier between the president and his own cabinet secretaries. So there's a White House bureaucracy within the White House itself, and they kind of serve as this management barrier where they tell the president's cabinet secretaries what to do instead of the president directly. And this management bureaucracy was created under FDR, and it's only grown bigger and bigger. So I think the next president needs to do things like kick the National Security Council permanent bureaucrat staff out of the White House on day one. Do things like that. Make sure that your cabinet secretaries are being told by you solely what to do. There's
Starting point is 01:16:05 too many middlemen that the president has. So if you cut down on these layers of bureaucracy and tell your decision makers exactly what to do, that's kind of the way of managing it. And the other thing is, the president needs to delegate less and follow up more. That's the key to all of this this because these bureaucrats thrive in the shadows. They don't want to be confronted. If the president and his cabinet secretaries dig into these agencies, they are going to figure out how things are really run and they're going to get a better handle on this stuff. Why did FDR create this managerial class? Why did he put people in the middle?
Starting point is 01:16:51 So FDR was spinning up all these new agencies in the 30s during the New Deal, and he wanted to put in place a system that would last after he left. So he did this thing where he got all these progressive academics to come up with a plan for how can I better make this administrative state work. And these progressive academics based their plan on the monarchies in Europe, which had massive bureaucracies, when the United States didn't. And FDR took their plan and he implemented it. And so it's this idea of a permanent expert class, an expert class that keeps the policies going no matter who the president is it's the antithesis of democracy was it because he was getting bribed by like special interests and it was like favors or was it because he couldn't run the government properly to win the world war that he needed to fight uh what what was his motivation like i think it's i think
Starting point is 01:17:41 it's more ideal i think it's ideological more than anything else. It's just always been this left wing idea that we need government by an expert class. Yeah, it's like the manager of revolution. Yeah, I'll do it for this. So what are you guys specifically doing to combat this issue? There's a lot of things the president can do, but basically all the tools the president has are in the Civil Service Reform Act of 1978, which actually was passed by Congress to help the president better control the deep state because it had become such a problem. And it created an agency called the Office of Personnel Management, and they're supposed to manage the bureaucrats. But what's happened over time is that agency that was created got captured manage the bureaucrats. But what's happened over time is that agency that was created got captured by the bureaucrats themselves. So it's totally captured. So you have to take back that agency and then use the legal authorities that you have, which there are many, you know, people know about the Schedule F executive order. They're familiar with
Starting point is 01:18:41 that. That's one of like 10 things the president can start to do to hold the bureaucracy accountable. So you think going in and firing everyone maybe is not the right move, but to go in and be very selective about who and what to remove? Or do you think more of just a broad sweeping 75% reduction of the workforce among the managerial class? What do you think is more effective? I think you need to do parts of both. So you need to do reductions in force where you get rid of these non-essential workers, the non-essential bureaucracy. I like to say there's a deep state at the top. That's the left-wing expert class. But then there's like the DMV state below them. And these are like the millions of unionized civil service protected
Starting point is 01:19:23 employees. It's 2.25 million employees and the president can only hire and fire at will 4,000 of them. So 99.9% of his own employees he can't fire. So you have to, you know, get rid of the non-essential ones and you can use reduction force exercises, which is just a fancy term for mass government layoffs to do that. But then at the top, it's more picking apart certain places where the bureaucracy has a hold, like the State Department. You need to go in and tear that place apart. If people are resisting, you need to fire them. But there's a lot of nuances to it.
Starting point is 01:20:01 How would you implement reduction force exercises? You would look at the parts of the federal government that are truly non-essential. And it's funny because we already have a list of these positions. When the government shuts down, all the non-essential workers go home. We have this list that we are like, you're not even that important, leave. Exactly, exactly. And so you're not going to fire all those people, but what does it being non-essential mean?
Starting point is 01:20:29 It means they're non-essential in some way. So you start from there and look at that. Would it be an executive order that would be like, would put it into action or something? This agency, Office of Personnel Management, would do it. So for example, on day one, you could say, we're doing a reduction in force to get rid of all the diversity, equity, and inclusion offices across the federal government. And let's just start there. I wish. Let's just start there. I
Starting point is 01:20:54 wish, dude. It's a good place to start. That's how you got your job, Serge, right? Yeah, right. That's how I got my job. And that's because you can't fire them individually. You've got to reduce the force somehow. Vive think was it gets around exactly it gets around we should just put them all in the illusions just feel like what is it an alaska permanent vacation enjoy yourself no but i mean get a nice house one one one thing we can do is use an opportunity to develop areas that need development so by putting them in alaska we then have to fund the creation of cities and towns. Most people aren't going to want to be there.
Starting point is 01:21:32 And so then what we'll do is we'll just, you know, look for oil and things like that in our own land. Stalin did that with Siberia, although I don't think the oil, I don't know if they got treated very well. You pick a place that needs development, you know, what is your start putting the offices there what is your concern with mass layoffs like um i know that in iraq when we invaded we disbanded the bath party and so you can never serve in government again and they all formed isis basically formed terrorist cells because they're like what else can we do we have connections in the military yeah this vision of like american bureaucrats who get laid off being like well now we're gonna organize i'm not even joking because they've got friends in the military. Their own domestic terrorism
Starting point is 01:22:05 is just laid off. Yeah, they joined Antifa. Trump wins, they get fired. Now they're broke and they're angry and then they go become Antifa. Antifa are pooping spikes when we lay them off. Maybe we shouldn't lay them off.
Starting point is 01:22:15 That's a very compelling argument. Relocate them first to the Aleutians as close to Japan as possible. Let me pull this up. Do you think there's a risk that they could form some sort of radical um like ngo or something the illusions are liberia i think we do need mass layoffs for the record i think we do need mass layoffs at two station right here look at this
Starting point is 01:22:37 yeah it's weird it's out there it's out there that's really close okay it's closer to russia so when you want to go work for the government you got to think carefully like you want an essential job because you are at risk of being shipped up this little thing right here this is america yeah it is this is the united states look at that that's united states right there and we can take all the bureaucrats and just station them right there and we build it's worth ayahuasca ceremony set it up i don't know about all that i'm just saying just give talks just you know then we'll then we'll have a base out there and you know in the bering sea is that a military base i gotta be completely honest though it's 50 degrees there right now at 4 22 p.m yeah and if i was working in a government
Starting point is 01:23:20 office in dc and they're like we're sending you to add to station the illusions i'd be like that's awesome i'd be so excited for that it's not forever but wouldn't it be cool to like be out there in the middle of nowhere for a little bit China does try and take Taiwan Taiwan's not the only island they would go for oh bro they're not that close to Taiwan they're safe
Starting point is 01:23:36 look how far away that is that's 3,000 miles away people talk about concern of China invading Taiwan it wouldn't just be Taiwan. That's not the only island they would attack. It would be a lot of islands at once. No internet, too. No internet.
Starting point is 01:23:49 The bureaucrats will be able to organize and defend themselves. They're going to be super powerful. We send them all to Attu Station. There's no internet. All snail mail. And the plane comes once every other week. Yeah, it's tough. Sounds fun.
Starting point is 01:24:00 I don't know. It's like one of those jobs. You ever see those things around the internet where they're like, you can get paid a million dollars a year to live on this remote island and maintain its lighthouse like you know like no you'll see these things on occasion and you know i look at those jobs especially if you work and this is not to mean to any of our bureaucrats who are listening and who support the show you guys are great but if you work in like a boring office for the government and you are constantly being reminded every couple of years that you're non-essential when the government sets down, you've got
Starting point is 01:24:28 to hurt your self-esteem, right? You would take this cool island, maintain whatever, hang out with the other guys. Someone in the chat there says they left in 2011. It's no longer been inhabited since then. Well, we got to fix that. Yes. We got to fix that. Exactly.
Starting point is 01:24:40 Make At2Station great again. Oh my God. Yeah. But look, look at all these islands. Look at this, man. You got on Alaska Island, this is where they do that crab show
Starting point is 01:24:49 or whatever it's called. Fun. Deadliest catch. Is that what it is? I would much rather have crab fish than the bureaucrats. Look how cool that is, dude. Look how cool that is.
Starting point is 01:24:57 It's amazing. That'd be a cool posting. Paid for. I gotta be honest. If I, right? You know? I'm really sold on this idea. Look at this.
Starting point is 01:25:04 There's a Safeway. Wow at this there's a safe way everything's gonna cost like 40 but it'll be all right i mean here's the reality people would love to like get a trip to go somewhere like that some exotic location and it's a pension i think charlie kirk he was pushing to decentralize the uh just the rnc the republican uh convention and so decentralizing the government might also be effective. So they're not all sitting there on K Street, able to walk from one guy's office. Well, it's funny. I actually went on Charlie Kirk's show to tell him why that was a bad idea.
Starting point is 01:25:33 Oh, tell me why. It kind of works, but it doesn't work. It's not that we have three different states, but. The problem is that the president doesn't control the government. And moving the agencies away is kind of what the bureaucrats want they want to be away from his supervision it gives them more autonomy dude these employees they could be going to amelia's right now don't they want to support local businesses on these islands are you going to build this into your plan that this is part of uh of managing it's going to be taken into
Starting point is 01:26:02 consideration here yeah seriously i'm not joking. They should totally do this because you then get development. Why are we wasting money on these departments, DOE and all this stuff? No, no, no. Department of Education I should say. Let's just, that funding instead of just pulling
Starting point is 01:26:20 the band-aid off and getting this big congressional file bag. Okay, well we agree we'll keep funding it, but it's got to be an Unalaska no and then what happens you start developing this area spreading people out it expands american interest it's just really great for us all around well wasn't this this thing with the department of interior you know it got moved to ted courts we're going to be in colorado and then joe biden was like no we're going to bring it back to dc like they just don't want to hang out in dc and work jobs that are decentralized dc they should go and let's send them to this fun island em Amelia's going to have some customers. I got to be honest. I bet you
Starting point is 01:26:48 if they said like 100 postings in Unalaska, it would be filled instantly. Well, that's what James is saying is they want to be away. They want less oversight. So when they're in DC, at least the president's able to have oversight over them. And if they're off. But I think this is sort of extreme, right? Like I think only people who must really love their job or want to be on this island are going to take a posting somewhere that remote. Not to be mean to Amelia's restaurant, which I've heard is great based on Google reviews. I looked into going here.
Starting point is 01:27:11 Apparently, it's like really hard. To get in? Well, something about like the flights are rare. Yeah, because, I mean, this is true. I've mentioned this before, but my family's from Newfoundland and like places where there are established, there are populations,
Starting point is 01:27:24 but people just don't come and go you can't always get the ferry it's not a drop of a hat right there has to be traffic there and that's Newfoundland Canada which is right above Maine which is not as remote as this island just it would be really cool to go eat at Amelia's take that out yeah put it on the bucket list have a Mexican restaurant this is great culture where's the Mexican restaurant that's Amelia's it it says Mexican restaurant underneath does it really right there oh it does
Starting point is 01:27:46 it's a Mexican restaurant yeah oh I saw the steak and I said that looks great wow Mexican food in Unalaska yeah I'm there that sounds awesome
Starting point is 01:27:51 Unalaska it's called the island name of the island is Unalaska Unalaska that's the name of the town oh yeah right there
Starting point is 01:27:57 yeah Unalaska well there's church there what is this department of parks oh yeah Parks and Rec is there and it's 50 degrees there
Starting point is 01:28:07 right now i really we have a listener that's not no i really hope we have a listener from unalaska who's like do not send me all these bureaucrats send the democrats look at this they got a gun club hey based yeah i would think i'm talking about man i would think that there is value to reducing the bureaucracy because the bureaucracy would be talking about man i would think that there is value to reducing the bureaucracy because the bureaucracy would be more willing to work with like economic forum um like technocratic establishment yeah yeah definitely okay how about this one akatan it's basically just a seafood corporation and a post office they got a playground there in a public library though a library how many people great idea yo look at this roadhouse no delivery though that's like just anywhere in rural america
Starting point is 01:28:53 though i will level with you no uber eats no no door dash not just i'm just saying send them all off to the far reaches of the earth where they can never contact us again if you want to take a like bureaucrat job like what you should have to work for right the job itself is kind of cushy at least help this this underpopulated island while you're at it i think part of what we're going to come up against with mass layoffs is a lot of these people are like really good people that work in a position that should not be there and we need to and it's like really impersonal that they're going to lose their job. But like,
Starting point is 01:29:25 but maybe that's good. They can be offered early retirement and buyout buyouts. You can buy them out. You can pay them to leave. Exactly. Also, there are all kinds of jobs out there, right?
Starting point is 01:29:34 Like the government jobs are attractive. I get that. But there are other industries. If people need jobs, then they were willing to work, which means that we can have more private sector growth. I don't understand why we would be like,
Starting point is 01:29:44 but they work for the government. So they should get to keep their government job. No, we can have more private sector growth. I don't understand why we would be like, but they work for the government, so they should keep their government job. No, we should have other jobs in other sectors. That would be better. We should cover their salary for a whole year and say, hey, you know, your dream of being a painter, go do that. Yep, yep.
Starting point is 01:29:58 On Alaska. Yeah, yeah. Eat at Amelia's butter there. Even better, even better. I would be open to that. Would that bankrupt the country if we paid their salary for a year? I don't know. I don't think it would be that expensive, actually. No, it would not. The fact that it would be less
Starting point is 01:30:10 expensive to cover their salary for a year than to keep them all to... The Ukraine aid could pay for that 20 times over. A couple times, yeah, dude. Okay, that's good. There's also Utkiakovic. Did I say it? Utkiakovic. I believe you. I think that's how you say it. It used to be called Barrow,
Starting point is 01:30:25 but then they renamed it to the indigenous name or whatever. I see. It's the northernmost city. Everybody, you got to go there. I had a friend who worked in Alaska doing some show. I forgot what reality show it was,
Starting point is 01:30:38 but there was a point in the winter. The Alaskans of Alaska? No. It was like Ice Road Truck or something, but there was a point where the snow shuts down the roads and you're there for the winter nothing in nothing out and the internet's all dial up that's wild lines yeah they got starlink now i think yeah they might they probably yeah and it's become affordable but uh this is only a few years ago it was like they were still going to blockbuster yeah and and red box was huge it's like you got to go to the red box and get like 10 movies well west virginia was the one of the
Starting point is 01:31:09 places i finally saw video stores again and it was because there's not great internet connection everywhere and you got people who will you know come into town for the week or every two weeks to get groceries and stuff and rent their movies and then go back on the mountain where there's no internet service so they need their dvd player and then come back and, I can only imagine that's tenfold in certain parts of Alaska. You know, Elon's taken away all the mystery. I got to say, you know, life was so much more fun. You guys remember not knowing? Do you guys remember not knowing?
Starting point is 01:31:35 Yeah, I do. That's crazy. I thought about that today. You less so? Me every day. Don't worry about it. No, I mean, like when I was a kid, there was a period where it's like, I'm going to, I call my friend and he doesn't answer.
Starting point is 01:31:44 So I go to his door, he doesn't answer. I'm like, oh, that's it. was a period where it's like, I call my friend and he doesn't answer. So I go to his house, knock on the door, he doesn't answer. I'm like, oh, that's it. End of story. Yeah, that's it. And then you just leave. And then you go do something else and you have no idea what happened. This is one of the problems to talk about with kids today.
Starting point is 01:31:55 And I think, I feel like I transitioned out of this period because the internet became so dominant while I was in high school or social media and stuff. Kids today, if there's fighting at school, if there's like like bullying or whatever else like it just follows you online after school whereas you don't go home and if there were drama in the 90s you just had to call your friends on the landline whereas now it's it's all over snapchat it's all over instagram you know they're they're sort of plugged into these scenarios which at times can be really negative constantly uh maybe it's nice and that's why people like living in rural areas where you can say i'm just going to back away now and i don't have internet so you can't contact
Starting point is 01:32:28 that's actually the indoctrination aspect is like a big part of why i would not want to public school my kids but it's that it's that wait what were you just saying the kids have access to things online all the time and so therefore you know inter-friend group drama or whatever i couldn't do it i couldn't put my kid through that. Like, I had to deal with it in school and then I'd go home and cry and then that would be it. But I didn't have to,
Starting point is 01:32:49 it didn't taint my life. I mean, I think that's the argument to keeping your kids off social media, which is really challenging because there's that idea that they want to, I mean, it's, it's, it's, I got an idea.
Starting point is 01:32:59 Are they going to go to Alaska? Yes, if your kid's being bullied, you can make it all go away by sending them to un-Alaska. You send your kid or you move your family or do you send the bully to Alaska? Send the kid your kid's being bullied, you can make it all go away by sending them to un-Alaska. You send your kid or you move your family? Or do you send the bully to Alaska? Send the kid and the bully. Or just all of them?
Starting point is 01:33:08 No, dude. I feel like going on a trip there would be awesome. Wouldn't you guys want a vacation on an island? I don't want to say they go there forever. You go there for a little bit. Yeah, it's a posting. It might be really soothing. I know.
Starting point is 01:33:19 I don't want to be on a Pacific island when we're wondering if China's going to invade Taiwan. Not right now. Okay, well, you know. Just bureaucrats and bullies on Alaska. I've been thinking lately, I want to go to Israel, but the last year I've been thinking, I do not want to go there
Starting point is 01:33:32 right now. And I guess this is why. How about this one? Alfred Far. I was looking at they're going to pull up like, was it Essentian or whatever? Island in the middle of nowhere? I mean, this is an island in the middle of nowhere. Oh, the island that's further from all other islands. Hey, look at this one. French southern
Starting point is 01:33:47 Antarctic lands. There we go. You just come on down and speak French. For what reason is it? Look at all that light blue. That was all above the water before the flood. Before the flood. Look at, even Google Maps has the ice wall. See?
Starting point is 01:34:02 It's proven right now. Do you guys ever look at, even Google Maps has the ice wall. See, this proof, this proof. It's proven right now. Do you guys ever look at the expanding earth theory? Yeah. The earth was small and then it slowly twisted open. You can see how South America like fits perfectly into, into Africa there. Just pulled open. Yeah. Pangea and all that.
Starting point is 01:34:19 Pangea. That was the idea was that it was a piece of land on a big floating ball of water. But the other theory is that it was all rock and it twisted open and the hydrogen shot out of the cracks and mixed with the oxygen to form ocean water. How deliciously absurd. We're going to go to Super Chats, everybody. If you haven't already, would you kindly smash that like button, subscribe to this channel, share the show with your friends, and head over to TimCast.com. Click join us. Become a member because we're going to have that members only uncensored show coming up in about 25 minutes where you as members can call in and submit questions to us actually talk
Starting point is 01:34:50 on the show and uh you'll have to join the discord server where our timcast members are doing awesome stuff running their own pre-shows and after shows making music and other cool things so definitely check that out but for now we will read your super chats for which there are many what who got first today waffle sensei hey shout out waffles he says as far as intervention goes i will say that if american citizens are being held hostage then we have a duty to destroy the individuals responsible that's a tough question when biden comes out and says that american citizens are possibly among the hostages i'm kind of like i don't believe you you're a liar yeah you can't trust your biden i
Starting point is 01:35:24 mean and also there are americans who are wrongfully detained in russia right like we got americans all over the place that we need to help it's not to downplay the suffering that they might be going through but we gotta gotta think this one out certainly speaks to the danger of not trusting your government because when the shit hits the fan for real and you don't trust them that's a big problem yeah what's next jesus says no intervention equals i'm okay with suffering lol i mean like the problem with intervention is we can't intervene everywhere so then it's just someone is like i watched the news today and this country was was bad so we
Starting point is 01:35:59 must intervene it's like did you watch the news yesterday other country was bad which one do you want to intervene and you can't do all of them current thing thing could you imagine like i don't know i just think about things domestically like you you you hear fighting down the street from your neighbor's house and you're like i'm gonna have to intervene and so you and your buddies go down to that house and like kick the door and and go in and say everybody on the ground you know like yeah no you call the police i guess there's like a you know a force that can deal with that i don't know if there's no there's no international force or whatever but like imagine that you know there's a house down the street from you and the roommates are having a
Starting point is 01:36:31 dispute over who gets to use like the game room at what time and they're fighting you're just gonna be like bro i have nothing to do with this also in a different house someone else is yelling and you're like not that house that one's that one's not suffering yeah right No, but like there's one house and you hear two guys arguing with the game room and they're fighting and you're like, that fight is getting pretty bad. Maybe I should go kick the door in. Then there's another house next door where you hear a woman mercilessly being beaten and she's screaming for help. Please, dear Lord, help me. And you're like, and there's a Russian guy with a big gun standing goes, no. And you're like, yeah, okay, no intervention there. Like, it's just, just yeah how about we just be like look man I guess the domestic analogy
Starting point is 01:37:09 doesn't really work because you can always call the cops there is some inter home you know law enforcement agency yeah I guess you can call team America right team America man the a team Greg Dubier says I find it interesting that General Mark Milley retires a few days before the attack on Israel just a thought I had i doubt there is any connection just an interesting coincidence that came to mind yeah but it might not be millie was the only one holding it together it was him personally with him gone that's when israel eramos was like you know what we've got we've got to roll in federale actual says thank you for a good 12th maybe of riding high on white pills three of the best journalists of my generation talking shop on the culture war and then an amazing event no
Starting point is 01:37:51 comment on how awful this world is keep your heads up that's right friday morning in the culture war it was me lucard kowski and james o'keefe that was a really amazing conversation we didn't really talk about journalism we talked about people being evil getting older and realizing that some people's intentions are just malicious and what it means to be backstabbed. And this is obviously because Project Veritas stabbed James O'Keefe in the back. Brutal stuff.
Starting point is 01:38:13 Yeah, I've been thinking about a lot how weird it is when people lie, but they like it. They twist their minds into now enjoying lying. That's weird, dude. It's like, i talk about how people always say it's hard to play the evil route in video games like they you know rpgs that allow you to play the good guy or the bad guy and everyone always jokes that it's hard to play
Starting point is 01:38:34 the bad guy and i'm like nah they make it for a reason yeah there are people who just like being evil it's weird i can't understand it but i've certainly experienced evil people, man. People who gloat and laugh about conflict crisis. They're demons. They just want the suffering. It's crazy. And sometimes they'll lie because they think they're doing good with it. And maybe they are.
Starting point is 01:38:57 That's still different. I'm not talking about people who think they're good who do bad things. Oh, yes, the ones that are enjoying it. They're like, I'm tricking them and I like it. Like I'm telling you'm telling you there was a person at occupy wall street who said they just wanted to watch the world burn it it was fun don't you want to just shake it all up and watch it burn and i'm like no what that was the mentality of of some of these people yeah shane h welder says not to downplay the situation which probably would not have happened if trump was in office but how long until we're in hot war no wartime president has ever lost so this could be used to bolster biden's numbers i do not
Starting point is 01:39:25 think so yeah i don't uh nah i mean i get it but biden is not a wartime president biden is an uh resident of the white house during war there's a difference yeah he's he's just not lucid no wartime president is lost because they get up on stage and they say the American people will not stand. And then everyone's like, well, they're all screaming and cheering. Biden's going to be like, come on, man. They're bombing Lebanon. And be like, no, it's Israel that got
Starting point is 01:39:55 attacked. Be like, what? Libya. Well, Biden just sort of makes things up if you're wrong. So we're pretending that we're not as involved in a lot of wars that we are obviously involved in, right? I don't think he's a wartime president, but he's also not successfully handling any of the conflict he's gotten us entangled in.
Starting point is 01:40:11 Yeah, if he's a wartime president, he really messed up that Afghanistan situation. The emperor's champion says, I've completely lost any sympathy I had for the Palestinians and I don't believe anything the left says about Israel because of how much they lie. Yeah, but it's not all Palestinians. It's really this militant group.
Starting point is 01:40:31 No, bro, you can't have every prominent speaker be like yay we did it and then when you're like whoa you guys align with hamas no no they're a military group and then they'll look at each other and give them like dude i suppose those celebrating hamas's moves would be in support of hamas imagine Imagine just like, okay, obviously we as American citizens are not happy with what's happening in Ukraine. But you better believe they're taking your tax dollars and using it to fund the war in Ukraine. I wrote this on Twitter. Ignorantly supporting something doesn't make you an advocate for it. But history might not know the difference. However, Russia wanting the U.S. to stop its NATO expansionist policies
Starting point is 01:41:06 is not going to differentiate between any of us. They're going to be like, the United States is the machine by which we are being attacked. I guess that's why you don't kill civilians. And Putin specifically was like, yeah, yeah, yeah. We won't do anything if you promise not to expand NATO. And Joe Biden was like, can't promise that. So where was our compromise then? And that's the point when
Starting point is 01:41:25 hamas goes and just starts kidnapping and killing civilians and threatening to kill more you know who the bad guys are yeah i'm not saying israel is good i'm not saying the war or the occupation anything was good and you know everyone likes what's happening i'm saying one side let's put it this way let's say israel is just better at propaganda and they're like when we do it we'll make sure we're doing it smart okay well then the public face of all of this is israel is trying to avoid civilian deaths but still collateral damage happens and civilians die and hamas is gloating and threatening to kill more yeah dude i was thinking why are they showing video of these atrocities that they're committing like israel at least if they're going to do it they seem to do it under the radar and it's like
Starting point is 01:42:02 is it just their desire to be known to be relevant well it supersedes even that the desire to hide their evil deeds why do you record your songs and play them like why do you want to show people yeah why are you proud of it yeah yeah isn't that wild like people just want to be relevant they want to be seen about relevant it's about them these people in new york are cheering for what happened yeah they're they're clapping and hooting and cheering. The people in Hamas who are doing this want to show those videos to those people so they cheer for them. Exactly.
Starting point is 01:42:34 God, man. Some of it's so brutal. It's like- I've only seen a few of the really rough stuff. Evil people want to seek praise from other evil people. A guy said he saw a video of a girl on fire. Did you guys see that video? I wouldn't doubt it.
Starting point is 01:42:44 I'm sure. And like for a long time until she died. Yeah. Yeah. It takes a while. I mean, there's a reason they were like, we're going to execute people on TV, right? Yep. That's why ISIS had like the best media team ever.
Starting point is 01:42:54 So it's a reason for that. And they hung out on Twitter for a really long time from what I remember. Yeah. Sea Warrior says, Ian, I am constantly impressed with your willingness to be open and vulnerable. Your body is your temple to God. And when you honor it it you open your doors to him thank you i'm telling you ian started working out now he's praying to jesus it's true i prayed to jesus right on the right right wing uh extremist pipeline like that's right that's cool you can pray to your father your mother your sister you can pray to anyone and you'll hear their voice talk back to you well
Starting point is 01:43:22 at least from my experience it seems to work not we're not but i don't think you're praying to them but i understand it's like god speaks to you through the visage of what you pray to you can say that sure yeah ian starts working out look what's going on i worked out today see i'm telling you guys hell yeah good job man rape so much all right andrew roland says what everyone is forgetting is that hamas attacked civilians not an army base oh so this is my argument directly go for the civilians, all gloves are off. The counter argument that you're going to get with that argument, and you're right, they did, but is that Israel has been sieging civilians and starving them and having them live without medicine.
Starting point is 01:43:55 So it's like a passive attack on civilians. I'm not sure I follow. That's the argument that the Palestinians areinians are making is that israel has been all right passively attacking the civilians by putting them in a siege situation the conditions in gaza are are brutal and it's very very bad israel controls a lot of what goes into and out of the gaza strip there's also a border with egypt the gaza strip borders the egypt what is it the rafa across which crossing is that yeah so it's not just israel why isn't egypt opening the borders and helping people yeah why is egypt doing this egypt was actually flooding the tunnels under
Starting point is 01:44:32 gaza why would egypt do this poisonous gas down there why why ian why is egypt starving the people of gaza they work for us man they work for the liberal economic order they don't want they don't want to spread the the anger everyone keeps saying Israel, but they forgot there's another border here. Right. Well, Egypt told Israel something big was happening. Remember that report? And that's supposed to paint Israel in a bad light. Weirdly, the country that moderates between the two had this information, apparently. I mean, it all just seems like, you know, I don't want to say anything that I don't know about,
Starting point is 01:45:01 but it seems like obviously there is nuance to this conflict that none of us pay attention or it's difficult for people who are not there to know all the details of number one american rob says ian is correct 9 11 was the start i can't believe i just said ian is correct it really is the end it's just the beginning man oh man gary will says how did the dsa note have a rally the day after the attack it takes weeks to permit i want all members to question including the squad and begin the expulsion of the squad for their support of the attack um organizing these rallies is a day of thing in new york everyone just hops on the train and meets up in time square when the dsa put out a tweet that was it the event was organized and they don't need permits for it because it's free speech uh that being said i believe it is entirely justified. Okay, AOC needs to answer for that video.
Starting point is 01:45:47 What does that mean? I'm not saying disavow. I'm saying a journalist should ask AOC. You, AOC, are a card-carrying member of the Democratic Socialists of America who promote an event where they celebrated the murder of civilians. Do you agree with your organization or is this an instance where your opinion stands out? And I will say it to me from checking her twitter i haven't seen any statements come out about any of this so it seems like her
Starting point is 01:46:08 office is going dark yeah they're celebrating so how hard is to be like don't kill civilians i bet there are journalists that are trying to get a hold of her and she is stealthily avoiding this which is not a great sign you know well i just think it's it is it i'm just gonna i'm just gonna come out and say it aoc has not issued a statement condemning an organization she's a member of celebrating the the mass killing of jews when did she hasn't even posted on twitter in like three days right wow she went dark i mean like you can't come out and condemn violence i thought what yeah i think it's because she knows that her base is a bunch of people who hate israel and hate hate jewish yep yep for real and i think you'll see this throughout the democratic party
Starting point is 01:46:50 there is going to be a lot of people who are now uh losing support because there is probably no correct way that could make everyone happy can we just imagine like a politician who is a known member of the clan and the clan goes out celebrating the lynching of a black guy, and then people are like, well, you know, AOC, like the politician didn't know about it. Dude, she's a member of that organization. Proudly. Proudly affiliated.
Starting point is 01:47:13 They're celebrating the death of civilians. And she goes dark. Yeah, I think she supports it. Yep. I think it is fair to say right now, Ocasio-Cortez supports what happened with Hamas coming and killing civilians. But it might also be like if she did speak out against it, that her base would revolt. That's a good point.
Starting point is 01:47:29 So if she speaks out against the Hamas' attack. She is supporting her constituents. Yeah, inaction is inaction. I mean, in this regard, what I'm saying is she doesn't want to cause damage to the people she supports. That's interesting, too, because she's supposed to be a representative of the people she represents so if they want war does that mean she has to want war is that she's no representative supposed to be the safeguard for that she should come out and condemn the killing of civilians but she knows she will get eviscerated by the left so she says nothing because she's evil i think it's funny though that the democrats that are condemning her
Starting point is 01:48:03 are staunch interventionists. And they're like, what a horrible thing for the squad to say. Send our troops over to Israel and send more money. It's like, oh, geez. I saw that Mike Cernovich. It's one or the other, huh? That Mike Cernovich tweet about people that were so much about pro-life, life in the womb. He's like, if a baby dies in the womb in Gaza, is that an abortion?
Starting point is 01:48:22 Yeah, Cernovich is great. He's a smart guy. That's a good point. Right, I'm not, I think the problem is we're dealing with war. Israel is going to respond. The Al-Qassam brigades use civilian locations, hospitals, schools, etc.,
Starting point is 01:48:36 or if they have hospitals, intentionally. And then Israel's only choice is either you take out where the rockets are coming from or you let them keep firing rockets at you. If Israel did not have the Iron D iron dome the narrative would be very very different the narrative would be every day another another israeli was being killed killed killed killed killed and it would not be the same for the people of palestine of gaza but because they have the iron dome this is the craziest thing antifa beats people consistently but because they're not
Starting point is 01:49:03 killing them because these people are you know more likely to survive or whatever it doesn't make the news that's not the issue because israel is able to stop the rockets people act like israel's fine i'm like bro i mean if they didn't have the iron dome narrative would be very different it's crazy isn't that a graphene dome someone wrote it in the chat right when i said it mark johnson what's up dude that's awesome right after i said it appeared the the iron dome is actually just when a rocket's fired another rocket blows it up yeah yeah they cost i think they said 20 times more each israeli rocket costs 20 times as much as each palestinian rocket that's blowing up and
Starting point is 01:49:40 the palestinians are just firing a bunch of rockets at random hoping to hit as many civilians as possible yeah and they do. They're targeting civilians. That's why they cheered that the rockets reached Tel Aviv. That's crazy. In what circumstance have we ever as a nation in war been like, yeah, we bombed a bunch of civilians. It's not happened. We've never been the under.
Starting point is 01:49:58 Well, I've never. The American Revolution, we're kind of an underdog. Yeah. But the underdog, when you're like, I would imagine if you're like oppressed and you're in complete and total slave servitude, like you'll do whatever you can to get out anything. I don't see how killing civilians helps anyone in that circumstance. Like I was saying, if you're in prison and you break out and the first thing you do is run full speed mercilessly beat to death a 20 year old woman it's gonna everyone's gonna be like clearly freedom wasn't his first priority like the argument is that these barriers and these fences are keeping them in prison so they're breaking out yeah al-jazeera
Starting point is 01:50:38 put that video where they're like these these these fences are not borders and they're can they're they're kept in there with no resources or whatever. So when they return, they're tearing these barricades down. And I'm like, yeah, and then they're running full speed and just going and murdering civilians. It doesn't help their case. No, exactly. Yeah, if they broke out and, like I said, targeted only military and ushered civilians away, imagine if they tore the barricades down, paraglided in told rounded up all the civilians and then said start leaving get in your cars and go go go go go no no no no we don't want to we
Starting point is 01:51:09 don't want you guys getting caught caught in this and then actually the militants seized the territory and held it very different and then issued a declaration that this land is historically palestine it was seized by illegally by israel they've evacuated the civilians but are claiming this territory what would the narrative been then it would have been a very very different narrative still war still conflict gunfight probably still happened but we would be saying like why are they killing civilians i was reading that in israel that a lot of them are disarmed they don't have guns and a big part of the problem right now is that hamas knew that that's why they were going door to door slowly just executing people and then the israeli government issued like an emergency order to give people the right to get guns really really rapidly i can't believe
Starting point is 01:51:48 that israel had gun control like yeah me either it's crazy dude it's a war zone absolute necessity for a second amendment for a right to bear arms that is why i think one of the things about hamas too is how can they see the representative in palestine when they're willing to put them in harm's way knowingly put them in harm's way and put those surface air missiles, et cetera, on their, in their hospitals. How can you say you represent Palestinians who are willing to get them killed?
Starting point is 01:52:08 They say they got nothing left to lose. Yeah. I mean, I guess all the people you're fighting for, you don't mind if they all die. I don't know about that. That's where my, where I draw the line.
Starting point is 01:52:16 All right. Mick Morris says to Ian, the Holy Spirit is with you. Don't be afraid. Be glad. Let the Holy Spirit work inside. Trust the word. I recommend you read
Starting point is 01:52:24 the New Testament book, One John. It's a short read god bless thanks yeah my plan is to read the bible the torah and the quran yeah i gave him the old quran maybe i gave you the talmud and the torah as well right yeah yeah that's john one i think he said john one oh i was reading the sermon on the mount what's uh but also the john was it? Is that it? Hadith are like additions to the Quran. The Quran is the main book. Hadith are other additions. But if you want to understand a lot of what we're seeing in modern, you got to read that. Right.
Starting point is 01:52:51 Hadith. The Hadith. There are many of them, issued by Islamic scholars who have studied the Quran, who said that they have like some sort of connection to allow them to write more about it. But yeah, the Talmud is like the, from what I understand, the other book, like the Hadith in a sense, it's addition to like the main book. It's like the footnotes? Yeah.
Starting point is 01:53:06 For dummies? Sure. The Torah for dummies and the Quran for dummies? It's addition, other reading, additional reading. Yeah. Does the Bible have anything like that? I mean, not really. Old Testament, New Testament.
Starting point is 01:53:15 Yeah. All right. Monk in Training says, Tim, U.S. supports Israel because it's a cultural technological intelligence ally. Ian, what are you, what is that, Ian 1? What are you seeing now the results of a culture at war with the west at large and israel peace can't be held when you have enemies that want you dead i don't understand the question exactly i don't think it's a question i think he's saying you can't have peace if your other side wants you dead like if there's two people and one guy's like look man can we, can we just leave each other alone? The other guy is saying like, no, I want death.
Starting point is 01:53:47 In the United States, that's why you carry a weapon. And so the left makes the argument, which they're lying, where they show the comic where it's the Klan and a bunch of black people and a guy in the middle saying compromise, which is literally not the argument between left and right. Left and right is saying destroy the right. They're evil. There's fascists and the right saying, please leave me alone. You know why? Because I believe deep down, most of the anger and aggression is about territory that the United States has invaded Iraq, invaded Afghanistan, Libya, and that Israel was formed in 1918 or whenever it was formed and put there.
Starting point is 01:54:15 So like, I don't think they hate just hate me. I think that they hate that we've colonized that area of the world and displaced them. Mr. Obvious says the amount of people justifying war crimes right now is astounding. The same people who said Russia was evil for bombing schools and hospitals are saying it's fine. When Israel bombed civilian centers, I think it's all bad.
Starting point is 01:54:34 I just want the violence to end. And here's my response is you are completely correct about bombing schools and hospitals, but they're not arbitrarily doing it. Israel was not like, ha ha, we're going to go blow up a hospital. They were like,
Starting point is 01:54:43 Hey, all those rockets are being fired from a hospital. What do we do? Well, take it out. So the rockets are coming from. Yep. I want to give a shout out to Shuan Head, however, who tweeted as an American, I frankly couldn't imagine having my water shut off every time my country did a war crime.
Starting point is 01:54:59 Yeah. Wow. It's a really great tweet because it acknowledges that it was a war crime what hamas did but the u.s would be in real trouble if we kept getting our water shut off every time we did something true that that's great where are we at let's see patriot american says hannah the ira he means hannah clare the ira used to have backing from politicians even judges of irish catholic descent in america dating back to the irish of Independence in 1918, up until the end of the Troubles in Northern Ireland in 1995. Oh, I forgot that we put boots on the grounds then.
Starting point is 01:55:30 We didn't, though. I mean, it's one thing for there to be support politically, but we didn't intervene in the way that we were obviously going to in Israel. I just love how the, like, you have the Troubles, you know, 30 ago in ireland and they're like ireland for the irish uh but now they're all like globalists who are like open borders and like what it's funny how this conflict only ended because of the european union created created the schengen zone so now there's like yeah it was weird but now that's all done again i guess because of brexit yeah true weird case closed says tim it was cool singing miami last week the next day was also cool because i visited the bay
Starting point is 01:56:10 of pigs museum and met a veteran of the invasion who actually knew mr our time artemay how do you say that namesake of the theater i don't know artemay probably yeah artemay wow that's very cool very cool yeah miami was fun we're thinking nashville for the next one sounds great because we were talking about nashville for a while yeah base records is there daily wires there right i'm lobbying for pittsburgh i've been a huge fan of the city i've never been why pittsburgh oh i like pittsburgh because it's two hours away it's no no i you know we can travel but i i like pittsburgh because it's this uh industrial city in a swing state that's gone through kind of all the changes with America.
Starting point is 01:56:47 Oh, that's good. You know, the Heinz Ketchup Museum is there because that was sort of this political industrial dynasty. And, you know. We should do it. Thank you. I think so, too. The thing is, the thing about Pittsburgh that's really easy for us is I think it's actually like two hours and 45 minutes from us. Yeah, it's real close.
Starting point is 01:57:00 Which means when we did Miami, we have to deploy the mobile studio. They're still not back. What's up? They're still not have to deploy the mobile studio they're still not back what's up they're still not back yeah they're still not back no they're still driving are they okay like yeah they're fine they're just but uh if we do pittsburgh it's literally we we we just drive up yeah friday afternoon we drive up to pittsburgh and do the show it's substantially easier than doing these uh trips that are further out it's great yeah i mean i think pittsburgh is a really interesting city. I will say I've never been there.
Starting point is 01:57:26 I've just read a lot about it because I keep thinking I will go there. But it's, to me, a representation of a lot of cities in America that get left behind. And I know that there's an argument to being like, oh, we should bring our show to places that are more liberal centered. But I think especially because Pennsylvania is such an interesting place generally, I'm all for Pittsburgh. And, you know, then we all go to the Heinz Ketcher Museum or we go to the, is it?
Starting point is 01:57:47 Pozo is a PA boy, right? I think so. I always think he's Maryland, but I could be wrong. Oh yeah, he's Philly. Yeah, we got to have him come down. Yeah, we can go look at these old, beautiful Victorian mansions that were built up during the industrial era of America.
Starting point is 01:58:00 We can talk about where the manufacturing jobs went. There's this hotel that's in an old monastery that I would personally like to see. Come on. Pittsburgh is cool, guys. Well, no, I think we can do Pittsburgh within a couple months because it's a drive. We do the show like normal, and then Friday night we drive up.
Starting point is 01:58:18 The biggest challenge... And it's near WVU. It's really close, so it'd be cool to figure out a way to support our West Virginia crew. The Nashville thing is going to be another deploy the mobile crew a week in Nashville. These are big trips. They're really hard to pull off. It takes a really long time. I think if we do Pittsburgh, we could get it done in like four or five months.
Starting point is 01:58:34 I bet so. Preparation for it. Not to make our events team immediately jump into action. Bro, people don't understand how hard it is. So for the Miami event, we are slightly above break even across the board this means basically like the only money I think we made was merch it was a couple grand
Starting point is 01:58:49 the event it cost six figures to operate to do everything we need to do to make it work and in the end we were like yay we did it we made a good amount of money and I'm like and that money goes towards setting up the next event because if we call it here and say here's the money we got it's like okay well like we didn't make enough yeah i think it'd be cool i mean i don't have anything to do with the events i'm
Starting point is 01:59:11 really grateful to people that do they work really hard but it would be interesting if we kind of do a home and away format where we do like you know two hour and two three hour drive from from us do that radius and then have the bigger trips too because like uh dc wouldC. would be really easy. D.C. would be really easy. You could do something. I mean, honestly, we'd go to Richmond, although Richmond's kind of a hostile place. We'd go to Cleveland, hang out in Ohio. Obviously, Pittsburgh is number one in my heart.
Starting point is 01:59:33 We have to go there first. Why? I don't know. I think part of it was when I moved to West Virginia, it was like during the pandemic. And so there wasn't a ton of things to do. So I kept thinking when things get open or whatever else, I'll go.
Starting point is 01:59:44 And honestly, the Anthropologie home outlet is near Pittsburgh. and so there wasn't a ton of things to do. So I kept thinking, when things get open or whatever else, I'll go. And honestly, the Anthropologie home outlet is near Pittsburgh. And so in my mind, I was like, I'll go there and then I'll... I wouldn't do Philly though. Just personal reasons. I wouldn't do Philly. And I wouldn't do Baltimore, to be honest. But there are other places in Virginia, in West Virginia. Again, Pennsylvania, I'm going to pitch Pittsburgh.
Starting point is 02:00:01 Pittsburgh's a good idea. Nancy had mentioned it to us about a couple of months ago. Yeah, I've been lobbying Nancy for a couple months on it. I'd love to do Akron, Ohio, my hometown. No, I agree. I think we should. I think we should. And it would be awesome if we could get Vivek, because he's from Ohio.
Starting point is 02:00:14 Yes, from Cincy. And do an event there. Yep. They got Blossom Music Center. It's an outdoor venue. We can make RFK come to our Pittsburgh event, since apparently he loves Pennsylvania. All right, we'll grab one more Super Chat here. We got Luke Wadu says, Ian, as soon as i heard you say jesus told me to tell you and
Starting point is 02:00:27 god told me to respond here's to my first super chat very well spent i hope you grow to know and love god i know the god of love the god of joy the god of peace the god of hope would love to talk i'm just saying you know ian starts working out and he's he's we said he was gonna be conservative the prayer was i visualized i, Jesus, please help me. And it was a voice like, tell them. And so I just thought, okay,
Starting point is 02:00:50 I'll tell you that that's, that I asked him. I guess that's what I got out. Maybe if my head was clear, there would have been a longer message. The pineal gland is decalcifying and the energy is being beamed into you, Ian. I kept,
Starting point is 02:01:01 I tried to keep asking him things and it's like, it starts to get like, all this, what do you call it? uh when things are interference there started to be interference so you got to kind of one question at a time relax let your brain calm down after the message comes because when you're in calm state is when you can really hear the message all right everybody if you haven't already would you kindly smash that like button subscribe to this channel head over to timcast.com we're gonna have that members only show coming up in a few
Starting point is 02:01:24 minutes you don't want to miss it it's gonna be fun we got some uh spicy stories to talk about uh you can follow the show at timcast irl you can follow me personally at timcast james you want to shout anything out i don't uh except project 2025 if you want to sign up to serve in the next conservative administration go to project 2025.org right on that's awesome uh i'm hannah claire brimlow i'm a writer for timcast.com it's the best i each follow at timcast news on x and on instagram if you want to follow me personally i'm on instagram at hannah claire.b and on x i was supposed to say twitter at uh hc brimlow guys thank you so much and thanks to everyone who came out to miami event it was so fun oh my gosh thanks to the road crew, Brian Carter,
Starting point is 02:02:06 who else is out there? Chris, everybody. We got, uh, Andrew Minks is on the road. No, Andrew's not on the road. He,
Starting point is 02:02:11 he went down there though. Oh, he didn't go down. Andrew, you saw, just kidding. Um, and a message for everyone else.
Starting point is 02:02:17 Allah Hashim, I pray for the God that they give goodness to the people that need it. The things that they need, that they come together and they start to see each other for what they are, that they're all human on earth together and that we're doing this together and that we will work together. And I'll see you guys tomorrow.
Starting point is 02:02:33 Yeah. Shout out to Carter and Brian and the rest of the Road Clue, including Chris and Sarah, I think are also on the way back. It was fun to be in Miami. I'm sorry I didn't see anybody. I know a bunch of people messaged me
Starting point is 02:02:41 about not being at the event, but when you're there working in the morning and you want to go home and change clothes because you're sweating, it's Miami. Sometimes you got to make calls. So sorry y'all. Surf wasn't pretty enough
Starting point is 02:02:49 for you guys. We got on a boat. Sorry about that. Yeah, that was a boat. That was a boat. Oh, wonderful. All right, everybody. We'll see you all over
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