Timcast IRL - Timcast IRL #882 Hamas Post Video Of Israeli Child Hostages, Leftists CHEER For Attack w/Dinesh D'Souza

Episode Date: October 14, 2023

Tim, Ian, Carter, & Serge join Dinesh D'Souza to discuss disturbing footage released by Hamas seemingly bragging about its own atrocities, reports warning Americans to be prepared for war with China & Russia, Harvard supporting pro-Hamas groups on campus, & how France's Napoleon rejected new technology which ultimately led to France's downfall. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Hamas has published videos of their fighters holding Israeli children, implicitly, explicitly saying that they've got hostages. Now, reportedly in the video, they say they don't kill kids, but that's not really the point. The point is they're basically sending a warning to Israel. They're making a statement that if they're targeted, there are children of their victims, children being victims as well with them. And it is absolutely horrifying.

A new report from Reuters says that essentially the U.S. must be prepared for World War III. I kid you not. They're talking about a security analysis, but we'll talk about that. Plus, we have scenes from all the protests that have occurred today. Nothing, I would say, grand scale, absolutely crazy happening today. Of course, everyone's kind of relieved. But there were some incidents that had happened. Some disturbing videos, which we'll get into all of that. But we're going to be talking about the current state of what's happening

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So support our work over at TimCast.com by becoming a member. And, you know, we will return the favor. Smash that like button. Subscribe to this channel. Share the show with your friends. Joining us tonight to talk about this and a whole lot more is Dinesh D'Souza. Thanks. Really fun to be here, guys.

This is my first time, you know, in the pit here. And I'm looking forward to our conversation. Who are you? What do you do? Well, I'm a writer. I'm a speaker. I make films, documentary films. I'm now done, well, I'm coming out with number seven, which is called Police State. And it's in theaters October 23rd and 25th. And there's a virtual premiere, watching from home, on October 27th. So that website is policestatefilm.net. And actually talks about a lot of very bad things that have been happening in the United States

in the last few years very quickly. One by one, our basic freedoms put into jeopardy. Right on. Thanks for hanging out. Should be fun. We got Carter Banks hanging out. What's up everyone? Pleasure to be here. Big fan of yours, Dinesh. Like I was saying earlier, you're partly responsible for my dark red pilling, so it's going to be awesome having you on. Yeah, what does D'Souza mean? D'Souza is a Portuguese name, and the Portuguese came to India. This was going back to the 16th century and they converted a bunch of Indians to Christianity. And the Indians who converted, originally Hindu, took

Christian names. So one of my ancestors was obviously converted by probably by a missionary named D'Souza. And so we became D'Souza. Wow. It's awesome. Fascinating. Good to see you. Yeah. Hello, everyone. Let's go. Let's. Good to see you, man. Yeah, hello everyone. Let's go, let's talk. There's so much I want to talk about tonight, so let's get the group involved. There is a lot to go over. I'm Serge.com, ready when you are, Tim. Here's a story from the Daily Mail. Sickening footage released by Hamas

shows terrorists holding Israeli toddlers and children during Saturday's massacre which shocked the world. Sickening footage released by Hamas today allegedly shows a terrorist holding Israeli toddlers. The video shows Hamas members holding the youngsters as they sit around a table. One is seeing rocking a prom as an infant cries. Others are carrying the distressed children, rocking them and patting their backs. The footage was recorded during as Hamas gunmen carried out their mass infiltration of Israel last Saturday,

according to Israeli newspaper, the Jerusalem Post. The attack saw Hamas, prescribed as a terrorist organization by the EU and the U.S., burst through the heavily militarized border around the Gaza Strip, this we all know, took an estimated 150 Israeli foreign and dual national hostages back to Gaza during its initial attack. Hamas said on Friday that 13 of them had been killed in Israeli airstrikes. It has previously said four hostages died in the bombardments. So you can see here they have images of them taking the children. Now, I suppose the claim they're trying to make is that they didn't kill the kids.

There's also videos where Hamas fighters are indiscriminately firing into porta potties. So this is all propaganda from a group that is out of control. Sadistic targeting civilians. If one if one Hamas guy or Palestinian activist comes out and says that they believe in peace, it doesn't matter because clearly there is no unified message as to what they're doing. They're going in indiscriminately, just killing and capturing civilians. And we know they use them as bargaining chips. So here we are again in this circumstance. And the craziest thing is right now on the left, the only thing they're saying is Israel's killing babies. This is the nightmare scenario of war. But I got to be completely honest. The left makes the argument

that Israel started it when quite literally Hamas broke the barriers down and went and started targeting civilians. So, you know, you want to take this back thousands of years. Fine. So be it. But Hamas is targeting civilians and children. Israel targeting militarized sites or whatever is not the same thing, though. We are all distressed when civilians die. That's a no-brainer. I mean, what the defenders of Hamas in this country and the West are doing is they are trying to dispute a wholesale truth by making sort of retail objections. And what I mean by that is they'll say, this particular image is distorted, or this is not a valid video, as if to say, and maybe they're right because we're in an age where there's so much fog of war there's so much confusion about whether this video was

digitally altered sometimes difficult for you or i to know but the implication is that if the video is invalid kids are not being threatened by hamas and and i think we shouldn't lose sight of that bigger truth sort of that video that picture of the burned baby that uh ben shapiro posted yesterday and then the ai machine said hey it's actually fake and it's like yo maybe it's real maybe it's fake it doesn't matter it's so it is real apparently now but who knows if that's even true but it ultimately doesn't matter because they did kill babies and very likely burned them alive i don't know it doesn't matter if that picture is real or fake. These videos of Hamas storming these houses, and then you can see one guy lighting a house on fire.

They're not checking the bedrooms to make sure innocent people aren't dying. They're opening fire on closed porta-potties with people in them, and they don't care. And I should say, it's very, very self-righteous of me to say that they are. It seems as if they are, from reports that i've read that they were indiscriminately murdering old women people there's there's videos like look i just watched a video where they're walking through the music festival and there's a row of porta potties and go pop pop pop like come on man there could be kids in there there could be women when we see them in one video waiting at the gate of a kibbutz and then a car pulls up they wait for

the gate to open run up and execute the people inside the car they're not checking to see if that's an elderly woman or not they're just opening fire on the car and then running in they're not checking to see if there's people in the room they walk into the house and then start setting things on fire there's a so when we see photos that are being published that don't show the bodies they show blood and they show you know gore and stuff like that i really don't think that the israel government is manufacturing scenes when we can see the videos and we know that even journalists of a more pro-palestine bent are saying yeah they target civilians it's one of their tactics there's videos of them holding children my guess is that civilians are making fake content governments are making fake content

on all sides but that also there's lots of real content as well and it's terrifying me because like i was saying earlier i actually i want to go look at the most gruesome stuff where is that i want to see it and then as i was thinking about i was like i don't i don't want to get tricked into seeing gruesome stuff from two years ago or things that like fake grues gruesome stuff that makes me crazy so i don't even know if i want to look at any of it now so i don't want to not know what's going on so that the big controversy the other day which everybody gets mad about gets mad about you've got the the you know very pro-israeli side anger that anyone would dare question the authenticity of this photo posted by israel you've got people on the left arguing that it's not real and if you're saying it is oh no you're posting fake nonsense i don't care about that i care about

actually investigating the story and figuring out who's lying. Now, what had happened was we, I did an AI or not analysis on the photo that was posted by the Israeli prime minister and Ben Shapiro had posted the same image and it said it was AI. I then put an AI generated image in. It said it was AI. I then put in a graphic designed by humans. It said it was made by humans. We, I then put in a photograph of John Fetterman that we got from a news story we used for a thumbnail, and it said it was a human-generated photo. So it was accurate. I don't know if the photo of the baby in this regard was – or I should say definitively right now it was inaccurate as it pertained to the charred remains of that baby. There has been a much deeper analysis where they actually posted the forensic analysis of the image and the other

manipulations that were made to it it appears to be beyond a reasonable doubt the photo is real it is a is a real photo of a real doctor showing the remains and uh it's it's kind of horrifying that this this is what happens first it's horrifying that people are like i demand to see the photo to prove it and that's that's sad and that's horrifying at first they're like look for privacy reasons we don't want to show these things but people demand the proof so it gets posted and then what happens is propagandists and people trying to to i guess when when an information war then claim it's all fake and then finally we get a bunch of different ai forensic analysis one of the things they did was there's some tools where it shows you pixel patterns and things like that that you can't see with your own eyes.

Right. But when you run it through several filters, you can clearly see lines where AI is generated. The original image doesn't appear to be fake. And then there are faked versions of it that are clearly fake. So I would just say at this point, who knows? I believe to the best of our abilities, it's a legit photo. And this is horrifying. But again, I don't think we need at this point when there's videos of Hamas laughing, holding

the kids. They're clearly targeted. The terrorist MO has not changed. If you go back to the 70s when you had the IRA and you had the incident at Entebbe and so on, the idea of taking hostages, the idea of exploiting the other side's reverence for human life. I mean, think about it. They know that the Israelis care about human life.

If the Israelis really didn't care, the hostages would be meaningless. The reason that they grab your kid as a hostage is they know that you're going to go, okay, you know, I'm going to... So it reminds me a little bit of how in this country, you know, they use the accusation of racism. I'm not, think of this just by way of analogy. When somebody comes to you and says, you're a racist, their hidden assumption is that you're not a racist.

Because if you are really a racist, you'd be like, thank you very much. This is awesome. You know what I mean? It's like someone coming to me going, Dinesh, you're Indian. I'd be like, yeah, sure. But awesome right you know what i mean it's like someone coming to me going you're indian i'd be like yeah sure but they want you to go no i'm not so the fact that you go no i'm not is you don't believe you are and you don't want to think of yourself as a racist so the charge of racism only works on anti-racists not anti-racist though they they've come to that phrase anti-racist to. It works on people who are not racist. Exactly. Yeah, because it hits them where it hurts. If someone was genuinely racist and proud of it, it would not hurt at all. They would take it as a compliment. This is a very

clever game they play. They took the phrase anti-racist because people assume it means you oppose racism. It doesn't. Anti-racist means you're quite literally racist, but in a different way. That's a good point. That's right. This appropriation of vocabulary, and the left is really good at this. I mean, the resistance, even the language of decolonization. I mean, decolonization is a good idea, right? I mean, I'm from India. India was a colony of the British, if you say decolonization. But over the years, the Indians have sort of reassessed because they've now realized, yeah, there were some bad things from the British, but guess what? You know, we still wear suits. We still have British laws. We still have parliamentary systems of government. We got a lot of things from the British.

So, but nevertheless, this trope of anti-colonialism is driving this whole narrative. That's what makes the Palestinians into heroes and the Israelis into villains. How bloody was the Indian revolution, if it was even considered a revolution against the British when they seized control? It was one of the unbloodiest revolutions of all because Gandhi recognized that the Indians were, they outnumbered, the British were ruling India with a very small contingent of people. And so Gandhi realized, listen, all we need to do is sort of paralyze the country with nonviolent demonstrations, and it'll be too difficult for the British to kind of manage this Indian elephant. And so the British sort of essentially let it go. But again, the only reason the Indians could pull that off

is because the British were not Hitler. I mean, if the British were Hitler, Gandhi would be, you know, a lampshade. God, literally. But the Indians could count on the fact that they could go lie down on the tracks, the railway tracks, and all the British trains would go,

they grind to a halt. Because again, the British are not willing to run over Indian kids. Yeah. And so that ultimate, the British, their own morality was the undoing of the empire. And I think we're seeing that in the United States, elements of the liberals and the left that are anti-America and hate this country. There's a video right now going around of someone on i think it's on fox and i'm not sure where they're asking a person at this one of these protests in new york supporting hamas saying you know do you believe america should take care of itself first i'm like absolutely not and it's like okay well when you have a large faction

of americans maybe half the country who are like america last okay well you've got problems with pipes in flint or newark or whatever you insert country but you want to send our money overseas first this country will not survive that it's like you're you're you're you're you're giving away your money to your neighbors before paying your rent eventually you get evicted yeah sooner or later i mean one of the things i found and then going back to my just experience growing up was that India had these wars with Pakistan. And I noticed that while those wars were going on, every Indian was on the Indian side for the exact same reason that every Indian backs the Indian side in the cricket match. You know, nationalism, India first is taken for granted.

Nobody even debates it. It's not like you have to discuss. Is it a good idea to be India first? I mean, no Indian would even know what that means. And yet, when I came to the United States, suddenly I realized, and this is in some way a legacy of the Vietnam War, suddenly I realized a lot of Americans

actually are not on the American side. They actually want the Vietnamese to win. They are America at last, and they see America as a villainous force in the world, even though America has been a very benign force in the world. Any other country that had this kind of power that the U.S. has had since World War II would have used it far more tyrannically.

Oh, yeah. It's almost like a tell when someone says that the U.S. is like the most racist country in the world. You hear that all the time. You have not traveled anywhere. Quite literally like the least racist country in the world. Literally, literally. Like even, I bring this up when I went to Sweden.

They try to claim they're very progressive, but they're super racist. They're like, we scuttle all the poor people into these ghettos and then tell everyone how awesome we are, but then we only hire white natives. And in the United States, you've got white liberals without group preference. And there was a story that came out that found, I think over the past several years, something like 90 plus percent of mid to high level jobs were all given to non-white individuals because of the DEI push. So it's like, that's clearly racist and in violation of the 1964 Civil Rights Act.

But here we are. Let's jump to the story. I hope you all are ready. It may have been the global day of jihad, Friday the 13th, but we have this from Reuters. U.S. must be ready for simultaneous wars with China and Russia, report says. The U.S. must prepare for possible wars with Russia and China by expanding its conventional forces,

strengthening alliances and enhancing its nuclear weapon modernization program, a congressionally appointed bipartisan panel said on Thursday. The report from the Strategic Posture Commission comes amid tensions with China over Taiwan and other issues and worsening frictions with Russia over its invasion of Ukraine. Another thing that many people have brought up to us that came up yesterday was something called the Samson Option. Considering the conflict with what's going on with Israel, I think it's particularly relevant to this story. For those that aren't familiar, the Samson Option is the name that some military analysts and authors have given to Israel's deterrence strategy of massive retaliation with nuclear weapons as a last resort against a country whose military has invaded and or destroyed much

of Israel. Commentators also have employed the term to refer to situations where non-nuclear, non-Israeli actors have threatened conventional weapons retaliation, such as Yasser Arafat. Now, what's interesting about that concept of the Samson option, the general idea being, if, so we have this convo, we have Hamas storming and killing civilians. Israel then starts targeting Hamas bases and weapons depots and things like this. Civilians get caught in the crossfire, they die. We then get fake videos.

There was a fake video today, apparently, of Qatar saying that they were going to cut off gas supply. Not real, it's been debunked, my understanding. But you have threats from Iran. You have Lindsey Graham saying war with Iran. If there is an invasion of Israel, the fear is that they're just going to say we refuse to be destroyed and they'll fire a nuke at their enemy. But I think the reality is any country with a nuclear weapon that is invaded and is facing extinction or non-existence is going to launch a nuclear weapon. So the fear here is Israel being particularly vulnerable.

If they launch a nuke, then what happens? I mean, it's going to be all out World War Three, massive nuclear warfare. Yeah. I mean, when I think about it, the Samson option was essentially the core of what in the Cold War we called mutually assured destruction. Because mutually assured destruction is the United States has 10,000 nuclear warheads and the Soviet Union has 10,000 nuclear warheads. And the reason you have peace is each side makes a public declaration that if the other side launches nukes, you will do the same and cause essentially the extinction of mankind. And it's

that mutual fear, oddly enough, that keeps both parties reasonably well behaved. Now we're in a post-Cold War era, of course, but I don't see why that logic disappears. It remains actually identical, except now it has to be applied more regionally or more locally. But why would a country allow its own extinction without wanting to visit exactly the same on the people who perpetrated that? I mean, this is a case where, I mean, I suppose at a certain theoretical level, you could go, well, listen, they've already launched these nukes. I'm going to die anyway. Why should I kill more people?

I just need to sit tight and let myself be blown up. But that's not realistic. No one really thinks like that. Yeah yeah i mean i'm i don't know i've never been through nuclear war but it's not just like the nuke hits and then that's the end like a nuke will set up the stage for an invasion like you can level the ground level ever all the defensive capabilities and then invade the the city that got nuked like two days later or something or a day well also there's fallout for there's all sorts of things that happen afterwards that also suck if you don't die immediately it's almost worse radiation and yeah 48 hours of fallout or something did the chinese are they actually uh genetically altering their soldiers to be radiation resistant we talked about that that

was a report that they're they've started breeding genetic super soldiers i mean that's a scary reality of what's to come and so i suppose the concern is not even super soldiers i mean that's a scary reality of what's to come and so i suppose the concern is not even nuclear weapons i think that's old school thinking it is honestly it is actually crazy to me that most people to this day are like nuclear weapons i'm like bro that's a hundred years old basically like they started developing this stuff a hundred years ago yeah deployed a couple by today's standards weak ones that's kind of scary to think too yeah and then really i mean what since the 70s we've had icbms and mervs and things like this the u.s 10 years ago uh funded the a very very small megaton gravity bomb basically pocket

size version of the fat man and uh we also have these icbms of hypersonics but i think people need to understand that a lot of the research has been in targeted biological weapons and the real scary thought is not that israel says we're going to fire a nuke but that they're like we're going to unleash a virus or something like that or like an insect plague i think that people have been using insects also i mean let's let's think about this realistically you've got ethnic conflict in the middle east right these are groups that hate each other based on their ethnic heritage wouldn't they be specifically trying to target if if you've got groups of people saying that

they want to eradicate is israel would they not make weapons specifically to do so if they had the capabilities they probably would i i do believe that it's more about territory and less about genetics at the core i think it's about who owns that area of the world well right right but what i'm saying is the majority of the people in israel are jewish and many of these people in say iran or in gaza lebanon explicitly say the jewish people and so it's not even about that i mean isn't there on all sides when it comes to any kind of war if the u.s is facing war with russia there is there is an incentive this is war man i mean you look at what uh what what uh what was that japanese unit in

world war seven three one i think seven thirty one seven thirty one yeah they stuck people's arms into sub-zero temperatures so they're in a room they put their arm into a vat or whatever with sub-zero temperatures and then pull it out and shatter it with a hammer to see what would happen yeah then after the war the u.s is like we need those guys over here well it's like the depravity of this stuff because they were sending like plague fleas and hot air balloons over here i think one actually landed well they were doing those bombs yeah they had the hot air balloons what are they called uh we talked about them they would float in the jet stream and then once they would start sinking

once they got too low then a bag would drop and it would go back up crazy and then it would end up dropping bombs I mean we just get a small insight into how nuts these people are just when we think about gain of function research I mean just think of something so explosive as to take highly contagious viruses

and start screwing with them to make them more lethal, to quote, study them. And this is going on in laboratories all over the world. And the probability of these viruses getting out when you add up all the laboratories and all the procedures is actually pretty high. So it ends up that you create a worse plague

than you started out to try to defuse. And all of this is all in peacetime. And now you put in war and the aggression and the competitiveness of war and the massive resources devoted to the military, which is much bigger than the resources available to the NIH. And you can only imagine what scary stuff is going on there. Yeah.

Yeah. And honestly, it's beyond just biological weapons or directed energy weapons. When the U.S. during the Manhattan Project, nobody knew what they were doing. There were speculations that the U.S. was working on some kind of technology. And some of the speculation was a a laser beam a death a death ray and and some people i believe did speculate that there was going to be a nuclear bomb i think it was because the the initial publications of nuclear reactions quantum mechanics and things like that was like 20 some odd years earlier so the u.s started working on

this and theoretically saying like can we make this explode can we blow it up big and so people were trying to figure out what it was right now but no one knew that's my point right now the weapons the u.s has are probably beyond our comprehension right i shouldn't say beyond our comprehension i mean like we say we'd be like oh wow they did what it's just that if they i'll put this way i bet they could come out and be like yes the large you know international multinational military industrial complex corporations have a weapon that is based on, you know, X. You'd be like, wow, I never thought of that. You might, I might say that there are the weapons that are being used now are beyond our perception. That might be, that might be an interesting way to look at it because like lasers, you don't see them.

They're just heat that you can't see. What I mean is like, we're not even thinking of what they've already developed. So we're talking about like biological weapons and they're like, that just heat that you can't see what i mean is like we're not even thinking of what they've already developed so we're talking about like biological weapons and they're like that's 20 years molecular disassembly through vibration i mean exactly skin just fall off just by hitting them with a low frequency stuff like that or just like renders you not able to think well look at the the was it the uh havana syndrome yeah they thought that was a weapon i guess you're saying it's not now but people would hear like a loud hum and then they would lose,

they would start losing vision in one eye and getting headaches and they couldn't think straight. I mean, interestingly, with every major war, the magnitude, the scale, the horrific nature of it was completely unanticipated before the war.

I mean, World War I, nobody had any idea that it would last as long, that trench warfare, you'd have people who are basically fighting for two and a half years for like 50 yards of land. And you're sitting in a trench, knee deep in water, you sleep there, people are being shot up and their bodies then just dissolve right next to you. And so just the sheer horror of it, and you know, the thing about it is we haven't had that kind of a war now in all of our lifetimes because we have to go back to world war ii for a comprehensive war so it makes people in a sense lose sight of what war actually means

the first one first world war was the machine gun no one anticipated the machine gun so they'd get up with their rifles and run towards what it was assumedly dudes with rifles as they had done for thousands hundreds of years and then the machine gun changed and then world war ii you have air air power like the force of an air bomber changes in there everything and now what do we have we have space lasers who knows what we got this is the story well yeah china does have space lasers not say they're weaponized but we know for a fact that story you could drop stuff from orbit readily it's just getting getting it up there right but uh what you're describing in is the story of basically every war right so uh we've talked about gettysburg the confederates were using muzzle loaded uh rifle rifled muskets and the union had adopted breach loading rifles with cartridges so the union is firing every 10

seconds and the confederates are firing every 30 seconds to a minute. Napoleon. No question. I don't know if Napoleon had new tech other than like if the Dutch tech that the Dutch didn't have or tech tech that the Austrians didn't have or whatever. But he had he invented the core system, the core, you know, the core military core where he'd divide command amongst his generals and give all of his marshals. Basically, they were called total enough authority amongst themselves. And so they were able to move much more rapidly and respond to battlefield activity much more fluently. Right. Right. Absolutely. I mean, there's a very interesting study of Western civilization, which tries to understand how

the West became the dominant world power, which it has been over the past 500 years. And the argument was that the Western countries were always fighting. And as a result, how the West became the dominant world power, which it has been over the past 500 years. And the argument was that the Western countries were always fighting. And as a result, each side had to keep innovating in terms of warfare to get the edge over the other guy. Whereas you think of other, take American Indian societies, for example. Now, there was tribal warfare and so on, but it was conducted kind of the same way. Whereas what was happening in the West is one guy, you know, you start off and everybody, you have a normal cavalry, then one guy starts inventing a crossbow and the other guy has to develop a shield and then the knights start putting on armor. And so there's constant innovation that shows why the power in the West keeps moving. I mean, it belongs to the Portuguese. In fact, that's how the Portuguese

got to India. They were the leading power in the West at one time. Then the Spanish, then the French, then the English. Hitler's actually basic point was he was kind of envious of the fact that the British and the French had sort of dominated the world in the previous hundred years. He's like, what about the Germans? So a lot of Hitler's aggression was motivated by that. He actually admired the British empire. He wanted to create one. Well, with Europe, you have a peninsula. And with expanding population density, the Mediterranean is warm weather. So there was more abundant food. It was easier to grow food. You end up with people with more free time. Then you get population density with close proximity and conflict over resources once winter starts rolling in. So you have all this fighting because exactly as you described, you get innovation. when they fired the arrow towards the enemy, the enemy could not put the knock, or whatever it's called, the notch or whatever it's called,

into the string, and they couldn't fire it back. But theirs, with the larger hole, they could pick up, so they could use both arrows, both sides, like that kind of innovation. Now here's the thing about North America. Sparsely populated. When Native Americans would fight, it would be brutal, but they could also flee.

So we see this in natural selection as well. it's why birds are less likely to be aggressive because they can just leave flight and in the literal in the sense of like avoiding a fight not in the literal sense avoiding a fight takes less energy than engaging in a fight so burrowing animals tend to be more vicious and flying animals tend to be less vicious yeah for that reason yeah right it's not absolute right rabbits are not particularly vicious you back them in a corner they might nip at you but gophers their strategy was just to have lots of themselves yeah it's kind of funny

or their evolutionary pressure and they didn't have armor the native americans as far as i know i don't know think that they focus a little bit they didn't build castles they didn't build defensive bastions they didn't really that i know of uh build armor and things like protective because it was always like attack and retreat attack and flee it's such a run away it's such a massive land mass yeah with with tremendous farmland in the great plains that you didn't have to have such uh dramatic fighting over resources and uh effectively you could leave if if they were chased out and the land was taken by a warring tribe, they would run away. And they didn't, I don't know, I assume that they didn't farm,

not as readily as they did in Europe. They were more hunter-gatherers. Well, you had two types. You had the sedentary farming tribes and the Hopi, the Pueblo. But, of course, they were always at the mercy of the Comanche and the Apache and the nomadic, more vicious, Tomahawk-carrying tribes, which would have their way with these other... I mean, Columbus noticed this when he got here.

The first Indians that he ran into were really nice guys. And Columbus went back to Spain, and he's like, these people are like Adam and Eve. They're like living in the Garden of Eden. The second time he came back, he ran into a whole different crew. And in fact, a lot of the allegations against Columbus, oh, Columbus turned vicious and so on. Well, the reason he turned vicious is he ran into tribes

that were into mass slaughter. And that opened his eyes. This is the thing that the left ignores when they were like, the colonizers, european colonists called the native american savages and it's like no no no no the french cooperated with many of the tribes in in the canadian territories fur traders they got along just fine the aztecs however who are pulling people down on altars and ripping their body part organs out they were a bit shocked by that i mean we're shocked about these hostages now think about

cortez in mexico seeing this stuff i mean you have rivers of blood imagine the psychological impact on the spanish and uh so yeah i think that is i'm unsurprised the left takes the view that the aztecs were doing something acceptable because sacrificing children like literally just killing children yeah would like any one of us would be watching that happen would probably start crying and and you imagine cortez the the the historical view from the left is that cortez is on this boat sailing to him to the americas going like and he's got like devils behind him like yeah when really he's a european guy he lands here and yes there's

conquests involved they're warriors they're fighters and then he comes upon children being mutilated for no reason i wouldn't be surprised if he started bawling his eyes out and then was like we have to stop this exactly no that's right um also you mentioned interestingly about you know evolution and natural selection and that's an interesting framework for looking at human nature and warfare, because the premise of evolution is that self-protection and self-interest is the primary grounding of human behavior. neighbor like thyself, right? Okay. It's assumed that you love yourself. If you didn't love yourself, then the whole thing makes no sense. You have no compass for deciding how to love your neighbor. Whereas liberalism is, as far as I know, the only ideology in existence that treats self-interest by itself as something bad and something to be guilty about and apologetic about. And they deploy it selectively against the white man

and against the West. And it is really fascinating to me. People really need to snap themselves out of this. The hatred of profit, the assumption of the word profit is something bad or means something negative. The left in this country has really even gotten conservatives feeling guilty about it. It is fascinating. We talked about this, the leftist GoFundMes, when they're like, I'm raising money for this. Don't worry, we're taking none of the money. They do, whatever they do as fundraisers are like, don't worry, the money is only going here and we won't take anything of it. When I used to work for nonprofits, they would, we would have, our tax, the tax filing for nonprofits is a 990. And it would, it would, the organization would say, when you make a donation,. And it would, it would, uh, the, the, the organization organization would say,

when you make a donation, X amount is administrative X amount is to the programs. And so people would actually ask you how much of the money am I giving you is going towards the program. And legally you're supposed to be like, well, it's 20% administrative costs and 80% to the cause, which makes literally no sense because no one at the non-profit is getting ridiculous salaries even among the ceos at non-profits they're getting substantially less than corporate ceos though they sometimes like the big ones they get millions of dollars for sure you're running a massive organization but i'm like i would tell people like my guy all of your money is going towards a cause now you want to give you the tax filing amount i'll tell you but this idea that we can't pay for the staff to file the paperwork, that we can't have

food to eat or pay our rent or buy a car while we're doing this work is absurd. But that's the mentality people have. No, you doing the work should do it for free. The left has really, however, however, this emerged in this country is crazy to me. They've got people being like profit is bad. Now, I think mostly conservatives are more attuned to realizing that's BS. this emerged in this country is crazy to me they've got people being like profit is bad now i think mostly conservatives are more attuned to realizing that's bs we're capitalists here and profit means your cut of what you're worth the labor you did but we people need to realize

you're allowed to make money my challenge is greed you have charity and greed the the virtue and the sin and so i'm trying not to be greedy even though like some of my closest advisors and friends are like ian now is the time for you to be greedy. Make some money, dude. And I'm like, I just can't give it. A lot of times, a lot of times these concepts of greed, hypocrisy, they've lost their original meaning. So greed normally has meant historically that you have your eye on something that is not rightfully yours. That's greed. Greed is not, I made an incredible product, lots of people wanted to buy it,

and so they all gave me $10 a piece, and so now I'm a multi-millionaire. That's not greed. That's you're supplying a want, and someone else is willingly giving you the payment. There's no greed involved. hypocrisy hypocrisy in its current meaning is you have a moral standard and you are falling short of it think of it some guy who's like i'm a family man oh he was seen you know with another woman he's a hypocrite actually that has never been the meaning of hypocrisy because everyone is supposed to have higher moral standards than you live up to because otherwise the way to not be a hypocrite is not to have any moral standards at all. Then you can never be a hypocrite because there are no standards

to judge you by, right? So hypocrisy traditionally means I have a standard, but I don't really believe in it. I'm a faker. So I actually, I'm only pretending to be a good guy, but in fact, I'm a really bad guy. So that guy's a hypocrite because he's stating a value that he doesn't really believe in. But if someone genuinely believes that, you know, I should be charitable, I should be a nice guy, I should be faithful to my wife, but guess what? I'm not as charitable as I ought to be. Hey, my head turns when a pretty girl goes by. I'm not a hypocrite. I'm not as charitable as I ought to be. Hey, my head turns when a pretty girl goes by. I'm not a hypocrite. I'm just falling short of worthy moral standards. Is it if you accept that you're falling short and don't try to change it, then you become hypocritical? No, because, well, at least in Christianity, you acknowledge that you are falling short and you are your job is to be aware of your falling shortness

and your job is to be aware that you are um that you constantly need to strive to do better yeah i think that's often hard for people to gather or to grasp i should say rather it's a it seems like innately inhuman to like say that profit is something to be bad but it's like because normally in hunting you'd get what you need for an animal but you think about it you're getting you're hunting the animal you're getting not only food for yourself but for your family for those around you etc that's what profit really comes from underneath everything and it's weird tim's right that this has taken root in america but usury is part of it is banking profit that they're taking so much interest and it's unethical you could argue that's the usurious part they call

it usury because it's unethical unethical interest but um so people are like see a lot of people making profit i put it in quotes because they're just sitting in their in their luxury apartments getting 20 on every loan that they've got out and you're like yo that ain't you ain't doing anything for that money bro you just born into that that family. Yeah, although even that's very questionable because if you think of money as, money is the stored value of your earlier labor, right? So let's say, for example, I'm now 62 years old. I've accumulated money all my life. I've worked really hard for it.

Now, I could have spent it then and had instant gratification, but I chose deferred gratification. So now I have the stored value. And there is a time value and this, there is a time value of money, right? So now if I invest that money, I don't have to work, but it does represent work I've already done. That's how I got the money in the first place. Now you're right. When it becomes generational and it's coming down from family to family. But you know, one of the remarkable things about the United States is that in this country, the vast majority of people did not become rich that way. In other countries, it is true that in Europe, by and large, you meet a really rich guy.

Chances are he's from a rich family. Generational, yeah. But in the United States, self-made people all over the place. And not to mention, within the same family. I mean, one guy's a millionaire and another guy's like pump and gas. In the same family. Same, you know, I mean, think of it, same gene pool, same socialization. And they end up so different in the in the in the walk of life. Let's let's jump to the story from Fox News. We're going to expose Harvard for the lies they are. GOP Harvard graduates send scathing letter

blasting school's response to pro Hamas students abhorrent. Harvard has faced heated criticism after student groups express support for Hamas after its attack on Israel. Take a look at this tweet from James Lindsay. How it started and how it's going. It's a good one. And the first one is a quote. Despite being the most acclaimed academic institution in the country, Harvard received a 0.00 point free speech ranking on 100 point scale,

a full 11 points behind the next worst school. And then the response from the Harvard president over the pro Hamas protests. Our university embraces a commitment to free expression. That commitment extends even to views that many of us find objectionable, even outrageous. We do not punish or sanction people for expressing such views. That's absolutely hilarious because they have criticized and condemned conservatives in the past. The fact that they're unwilling to criticize this group and they're actually saying, well, you know, they're allowed to do it shows Harvard overtly supports what these

students are saying. The institutions are absolutely corrupted. But as horrifying as this situation in Israel is, we are now seeing the left overtly supporting acts of terror, killing of children, capturing and killing of civilians. And I appreciate their free speech. I'm glad they're saying the things they're saying. Yeah. I mean, but and yet it is so poignant for me to see liberals, liberals of the old stripe. And here I'm actually thinking of the former Harvard president, Larry Summers. I don't know if you saw his statement. He's like, I'm so bitterly grieved that an institution to which I have been affiliated with for most of my adult life is, you know, has sort of broken with the principles and is now taking the side

of the terrorists. And I was thinking, wow, Larry Summers, if anyone would say, who's the embodiment of Harvard over the last 50 years? They would say you. You're the example of the kind of classical liberal that surrendered to the left over the past several, that enabled the leftist takeover of these institutions because conservatives never ran these institutions. When I was a student at Dartmouth,

I would say it was the old line liberals who were in charge and the new left pushing up against them. And the change in the college to today would be that that insurgent group is now completely in charge and the old line liberals have been pushed aside. But the old line liberals let it happen. And they're now, in a sense, living with the fruit of it. It's a little bit like some of these women on the subway, you know, these bohemian women who are approached by people who like punch them and slap them and you feel sorry for them. But you're like, isn't this what you voted for? Right. You know, if this if this this guy had come and slapped some other woman and you saw it, you'd be like, don't go after that guy. He's a victim of racism. You know, let's not Black Lives Matter. So you've got this. They get hit and go, help, help't go after that guy. He's a victim of racism. You know, let's not, black lives matter.

So you've got this. And then they get hit and go, help, help, I'm being oppressed. That's right. When it happens to them, suddenly the rules change. It's like when Elon Musk banned like those five journalists leftists on Twitter for like one day. Not only did they go nuts. I mean, they were quoting John Stuart Mill. I mean, they were discovering the virtues of free speech,

but only because it was happening to them yeah yeah exactly yeah and therein lies the big challenge but now i mean some of them stay true to their principles there's that woman uh whose boyfriend was murdered in front of her and the reports are that she's refusing to identify the murderer what but the conspiracy theory on the on on x slash twitter is that it was a hit yeah and it's like you know i don't know about that but i gotta be honest are you really gonna come out and claim to the police that the reason you're not identifying the killer is because that would be racist are the cops gonna believe that be like really someone murdered your boyfriend in front of you and you're like but if he goes to jail it's racist so whoopsie that so a lot of people

are convinced like there's no way someone watches their loved one die in front of him, you're like, but if he goes to jail, it's racist. So whoopsie. So a lot of people are convinced like there's no way someone watches their loved one die in front of them and then tell and then says, but because of racism, I think the killer should be free unless they wanted it to happen. I mean, it's easier if you're a journalist and, you know, the suspect is black, but you leave that fact out of the article, which we've been seeing in recent decades. But then at least you are not facing the consequences. It's easy for, it's kind of virtue on the cheap. I'm not going to mention that he's black, but you know, I get some virtue points. But it's a whole nother matter if somebody comes and kills your kid. And you're facing, and you're not willing to say, okay, that guy did it.

In the culture war, a lot of parents that we see waking up, it's because they're finally being impacted by it. And it's an unfortunate reality. Many years ago, Irving Kristol said that neoconservatism, which we've got a lot of problems with these days, but neoconservatism is when a liberal is mugged by reality. And and that happens to people. We're seeing it now with Hamas. Yeah. Have you seen that meme? I don't know.

I can try and pull it up. It's, I'll try and find it. The political persuasion you gain when, I don't know, I'll have to find it at some point. But it shows all the different things that turns you into various political ideologies. So it's like this graph and it shows you get you you pay your april april 20th and it's like become libertarian then it's like gets mugged becomes conservative you know get a speeding ticket becomes liberal is war on there war starts become authoritarian no no no like it's not on there i don't know i'll try and find it but you

guys think that's natural and actually a good thing, that we become more authoritarian when our livelihoods are threatened by war? Well, I mean, look, I'm making this film, as you guys know, Police State. And I had to think to myself, how did this come to America? Because a police state is very alien to America. And then I realized that paradoxically, this was a bipartisan creation of the aftermath of 9-11, because a lot of Americans out of fear were like, listen, we got these foreign terrorists. Who knows when this is going to happen again? We need to stop the next guy. So we're going to give the government all these new surveillance powers. We're going to basically give them a carte blanche, do whatever you want,

never thinking that 10 years later, they would take all that armory of resources and then turn it domestically and say, all right, we'll now have a new target, domestic extremists. And that changes the whole game. So that, in my view, was the sort of genesis of the American police state. So it's kind of like a knee-jerk reaction almost to being under attack without thinking about the long-term possibilities of that. Yeah. Well, when you're in fear and you're in fear of attack, you tend to go to by any means necessary. That's a normal reaction. I mean, that's where you would think of outlaws surrounded your house. I need to fight this by any means necessary. And that's what leads you to think, I'm going to give the government these powers

that I wouldn't normally give them. This is why the left love COVID. Same thing. They're like, COVID creates a wartime environment in which people are full of fear. And when you're full of fear, you also trust experts. Here's a man in a white lab coat. Take this.

This pill will make you feel better. You're like, oh, okay. No one's going to be like, well, why are you giving me these tests, doctor? What are these tests really for? and what does this pill really do you defer to people who supposedly are experts on all this and so this is a wonderful way for the left to make political advances operating through the fear of the american people do you think there are environments where you can kind of change your society into a military society, a militocracy

without it turning on itself? Well, the Spartans did that for centuries. They had a very militaristic culture and they would train kids. They essentially had martial academies as a substitute for schools and fighting was their education and they were the best at it, and they developed all these amazing techniques. Basically, you'd have a phalanx, and everybody would hold a shield. You're not defending yourself with your shield. Your shield defends the guy to the right, and you're defended by the shield of the guy to your left.

And so the Spartans would move in a phalanx. I mean, they were so formidable that in the Peloponnesian War, the Greeks could not fight them. So the Athenians decided when the war started, we're going to abandon all our land and go to sea because we can't fight the Spartans one on one. We'll let the Spartans come and take all our land. However, eventually the weakness of the phalanx was discovered and they began flanking them. Well, not only that, but the Spartans also didn't like technology. Apparently, someone came to the Spartan king, Archidamus, and told him, we've invented a way to launch a

projectile, so we don't actually have to fight man to man. And the Spartan king said, I will give you a reward. Speak to no one about this invention, because if this invention becomes widespread, basically military valor will disappear in Sparta. Wow. So they were more concerned with maintaining the military virtue than having this kind of new gadget. There's something to that, though. There's something to it. With the advent of the cartridge, you ended up with conscription. I mean, there was always some form of conscription, but widespread military conscription came to be when you didn't need to train people. Yes, because anyone could fight.

As soon as you had—so obviously with the musket, you start seeing more and more of it. There's always some kind of we have to go and fight to varying degrees. But then when you got the reloadable cartridge, you end up with the U.S. going to all these countries and being like, not necessarily the U.S., but many weapons manufacturers and saying, now your farmers can fight. Hand them this, tell them to point and click. All they need to be trained is how to reload. And they going to miss a whole lot but it doesn't matter you don't need to know technique anymore i watched that movie i think it's the last samurai

i could be wrong tom cruise it might have been the last samurai maybe not i don't know i watched a movie where it was uh i think this is what it was it's a it's in the 1800s and it's around when yeah the meiji yeah and so the samurai who are trained and were these elites were no longer necessary and they were losing political power yes right that's crazy and soon it's going to be a dude in a pod in an underground base with a headset on flying a drone we're already basically there but i mean like the future of warfare is going to be silly because it'd be drones fighting drones yeah it's so true you're going to be in a factory and you're going to be in a conflict zone and then it's going to be like the alarm's going to go silly because it's going to be drones fighting drones. Yeah, it's so true. You're going to be in a factory and you're going to be in a conflict zone

and then it's going to be like the alarm's going to go off and it's like, flee. All the humans are going to evacuate and then it's going to be a bunch of weird drones just crashing into each other

and robot dogs shooting at each other. And we'll see another Sparta-like situation where the people from the military industrial complex and the governments

are going to be like, no, we want to use the weapons that we have. We really want to use our F-17s. We've got to use our long-range intercontinental ballistic missiles and at the same time you're getting ripped apart by drones

or some stupid new tech that's like well if we use that then we're not going to be able to use our toys it's like you got to adapt you're going to have to adapt really rapidly to the new type of war i mean look it was in the what was the 80s terminator the the concept of an ai taking over our weapons before we even had developed technology. It's really incredible. It leads me to believe we're probably going to build warp engines and go travel the galaxy. Because in the 80s, when computers were trash, they were like, one day computers will be so strong and so smart, they'll take everything over. Now we're looking at AI and it's terrifying. The genius of that movie, Terminator, one, I think was the best, but two was pretty good too, is that it made an accurate call in a way that earlier science fiction never did.

You go back and read H.G. Wells in the early part of the 20th century, and he has the idea that you'd have these massive lumbering robots like 20 feet tall with big legs, and they'd be doing all this work for us. But Terminator, I think, was a very thought-provoking movie in its own way and underestimated at the time, but in retrospect. I think it's like one of these movies like Shawshank Redemption, over time, it gets better. I think Terminator 2 was the big one.

Like, Terminator was good. They made a sequel, and Terminator 2 was just like it. 2 was huge, huge. Guns N' Roses had a song in it, obviously. Eddie, the kid. Who needs to be the good guy. Sarah Connor. well in terminator 2 was like it was huge huge guns and roses had a song in it um obviously what eddie uh like the kids to be the good guy sarah connor i mean it was it was a female uh hero that the whole thing like the main character was this badass woman it was awesome like alien it

was james james cameron same director as alien yeah so he's really good at creating at that point he was well what's your fear with ai have you been studying it have you done any documentaries on it yet i haven't um no but it's um no i think it's it changes the rules of the game in so many ways i was telling tim earlier that i walk into my podcast you know and um the the guy who's my does the technical work on the podcast he took my last podcast and he put in some AI and there I am speaking fluent Spanish and my mouth is moving and my wife was Venezuelan. She's like, oh my, she was like stunned, you know, speechless for a moment because, so think about, think about the, just from that simple idea, the possibilities of manipulation. I mean, I can see the promise of it, but I can also see the peril of it. I can see it.

Well, here's the start. Within a couple of years, YouTube rolls out the auto translate button. That will just press a button and then all of a sudden everyone's speaking Spanish or German or Japanese. And then from there, you have the technology to just create a podcast.

You could literally just, we're almost to the point where you can type in to one of these AIs, give me an episode of timcast irl with alex jones joe rogan and donald trump and it will ai generate the whole thing and it will seem real i mean think about that tim and i could be huge in japan that's right but i will say very quickly as of today today probably not because uh uh seamus coglin freedom tunes he put out this hilarious video called Asking ChatGPT to Make a Freedom Tunes Cartoon. And he basically asks ChatGPT to write a script for a Freedom Tunes cartoon based on ones he's already done. And one of them is Ben Shapiro having Thanksgiving with his family.

And it's actually really funny. And he's, like, surprised. There's, like, one of the kids goes can i grow up to be when i grow up can i be a conservative it's like funny things like that but then he types in bernie sanders having thanksgiving with his family and it made the exact same script but changed ben for bernie so it's like not quite there yet but it actually still was kind of funny but we're getting there we're getting there i was picturing um i mentioned napoleon earlier and how he one of his greatest achievements was the ability to decentralize command among his marshals and

create a core system that a military a victorious military uh government is going to do that with drone with artificial intelligence and decentralize its command amongst a bunch of different artificial intelligences because it's going to be so effective they're going to win but it's so risky that one of the ai is going to go rogue and take over and then it's going to become so effective. They're going to win, but it's so risky that one of the AI is going to go rogue and take over. And then it's going to become man on machine. I'm afraid of that. What did you say about Napoleon? He was good at decentralizing command.

Right. So I just wanted to add, I wouldn't bring up Napoleon as it pertains to developing new technologies in military because of this quote, you would make a ship sail against the winds and currents by lighting a bonfire under her decks i have no time for such nonsense that's a great quote that was napoleon it's like the classic

it's like the classics exactly what the spartans were saying yeah we don't want this new tech to come and disrupt what we already have going for us because he's from the age of sail he didn't agree with the idea of having a ship with a motor like oh that's that's so not manly you hear that all the time and then that ultimately becomes the way of the world i went down i watched a documentary on the ironclads yeah and then uh because we're we we drove down to a national park where we actually uh got to see like a bunch of the rivers and stuff and look at the stories and then i went we went to a an aquarium that actually there's like a crashed ironclad yeah dude when people realized we can coat the top of our boat with metal and then put an engine underneath,

a steam engine, we own. And there's crazy stories where like the Confederates had this ironclad and they're firing on a Union ship. And then someone's gonna know the story better than me because I'm not a historian or anything, but one of the guys on the Union ship runs over and he's like, he pulls the cord or whatever

to fire. It hits the ironclad, bounces right off, and then lands back on a ship, blowing him up and killing him. Oh, man. That's wild. Yeah, crazy stuff. And then there's, but it's also like, they eventually figured out that the smokestacks or whatever on the ironclads were the weak point.

And if you got rid of it, the airflow couldn't come in and keep the fire going and it would shut them down. Yeah. Dude, war, like. Was that the, was that the fire going and it would shut them down. Dude, war... Was that the monitor? I don't remember. War technology history is amazing. The history of war technology.

And how technology is often the key factor in how a civilization decays. If you've been to Venice, they have Carnival. And how'd they get Carnival? Well, the Venetians actually were the dominant shipping power in the mediterranean but the spanish set to work on building a better ship the caravel basically the ships that columbus got yeah and the venetians knew about it but they didn't go that way they decided we're not going to go there

we don't need it we we dominate the region so So the Spanish built a better ship, and they crossed the ocean and got to the Americas. They changed the whole balance of power, not just toward Europe, but inside of Europe. And then Venice could never recover from that. So they said, basically, let's party. And that's the origin. And they've been doing it for 300 years. So the Spanish prioritized exploration over destructive capability, and that ended up making them more powerful.

Yes. Well, the Spanish, and it wasn't just the love of exploration. I mean, the Spanish wanted to find a better way to get to India, to the spice riches of India, and also gold. So a combination of religious devotion, commercial enthusiasm, and also just love of exploration. All those things came together in Columbus. Here's what I love. We went to a restaurant. We're in Miami, me, Luke, my girlfriend, we're hanging out and we order the food. And of course, you have the very nice server walk over and say, fresh pepper for your soup, sir. And he

crushes the little black pepper thing on your soup or your salad. Literally, whatever it is you're eating, they ask you if you want black pepper. Why? This used to be like the most valuable thing in the world.

Probably, how many people died in wars because of black pepper? And now it just sits on every diner. You go to a waffle house and of course they've got, you go to,

like, you have little packages with black pepper in it. In fact, people just throw it away. No one cares anymore. I mean, and not just pepper in it. In fact, people just throw it away. No one cares anymore. I mean, and not just pepper, salt. I mean, for 300 years in the Middle Ages,

even rich people would eat meat, but they didn't have salt. Yeah, and the Bible, I think it was in the New Testament, they mentioned that salt has flavor. There's a flavor. Salt has a flavor to it. I never think of that these days because it's everywhere. I'm so desensitized to the saltiness. There's a bunch of different kinds of salt too i worked at this place called salio

italia once which is based off of like different kinds of salts on food didn't last very long we have lava salt yeah it's because we bought the wagyu we had one time and so you get the lava salt you put on the wagyu beef and it's got carbon in it i guess so it turns black so we conquered well we i say this this imperial conquest, basically, to compile all the foods for one of the war score goals or one of the victories that we got was all this food. But, like, now I'm concerned about Klaus Schwab saying you're going to be eating bugs in a pod. If they really want to control and unify the world, what's the incentive? Like, you're going to have to make things better if you want to control Earth, not worse. Well, not necessarily, because I think one of the things that struck me, I was really

surprised by, is as I was working on police state, police state in America, I thought to myself, wait a minute, a lot of the COVID restrictions, for example, that we saw in America, we see them in Canada. We saw them in Europe. We see them in Canada. We saw them in Europe. We see them in Australia. A lot of the issues of election fraud that we are debating in America, we see in Brazil. So suddenly, we realize that our danger isn't just a police state, but a police planet, because there's the risk. A prison planet. Yeah, a prison planet in which the entire population of the world is under the control of some decentralized elite.

But it's an elite in communication with each other. I mean, the marvel of today is that you have collaboration without conspiracy. I mean, here's a crazy example of that. The suppression of the Hunter Biden story. This is a real puzzle. Now, I can understand if you're running Stalin's regime, it's easy to suppress the Hunter Biden story. Nobody gets to publish it or they get killed. Or even under, you know, Goebbels, he's the propaganda minister of Germany. He just instructs all the media. You can't do it. Everything is under the control of the state. thousands of journalists and normal libertarian theory would tell you, okay, if people don't want to publish the Hunter Biden story, some guy at the Sacramento Bee or the Denver Post or the Dallas Morning News is going to be like, you idiots can be my guest and not publish a story.

I'm going to publish a story. I'm going to have the biggest story. But the fact that no one did it, think about it. Think about the level of regimentation there has to be where the ordinary reporter, who's not that political, goes, I cannot touch that story because if I do, the sword of Damocles will fall on my head and chop my head off and I can't do it. Not one guy did it. The Post, didn't the New York Post report it on it? Right. So when the New York Post being the only one to go out forward, suddenly it was almost like there was a massive media mobilization to shut those people down, to take them off the internet, to shut down the story, and the media was applauding.

Have you found that these news organizations are working in secret behind the scenes, like a lot of them? Do you have any evidence? Have you? No, I think this is, I think, what makes it even more scary. I mean, if we could find evidence that they all got on a 6 a.m. Zoom call and they all said, let's not do it, I would at least go, oh, okay, that's how that happened. I find it even scarier to find that human beings operate like birds flying to Florida in the summer where they're

not communicating. They're not on a Zoom call, but they take signals from each other and they're all able to maintain a flying formation. It's like tacit. I was reminded of George Carlin saying there doesn't need to be a formal conspiracy for people to act with the same interest or the same underlying interest towards doing something. That's exactly what you're talking about. It was just tacit. People just did

it because they were just like, well, I'm too scared to fall out of the flock. I'm too scared to be attacked by my neighbor because of what I say and do. And that was really scary. That was creepy. That whole, the whole laptop story. Now it's been totally,

it's been totally ratified and it's just reality. We'll accept it as, that's like jokes. You hear jokes about it now, like every day. It's wild. I think, I think they're losing control.

Yeah, I agree. I think the internet caught the powers that be by surprise and they can't control it anymore. They're desperately trying, but they've lost the grip. For a little bit there, it appeared that when they had Twitter and YouTube and Google and Facebook,

and those guys were working in coordination. I mean, interestingly, like Alex Jones was banned on those platforms within five minutes of each other. So think about that. They had to be in communication they had to to make a deal that way i i think that for this reason what elon musk has done is very significant and i think has historic significance when you look back oh yeah it's

pride open the uh the the closing um can of free speech and with the development of mesh networking and things like that and where our networks can go phone device to And with the development of mesh networking and things like that, and where our networks can go phone device to device without some sort of central authority, it seems like we're headed in a path towards bypassing central authority. This is a cool thing. Yeah, when I was on a, I mean, anybody who's gone on a cruise

probably has noticed this already, depending on the cruise, but I went out to, there was a cruise called Summit at Sea. And this is billed as like a bunch of influential people all buy a cruise ticket and then everyone interacts. But when you go, they told everyone download this app. It creates a mesh network through Bluetooth so that everyone can chat with each other as if there was a cell tower nearby. It's the craziest thing. So basically what happens is you're on one side

of the ship. You send a message to your friend, John, that message cert your phone connects to any nearby bluetooth in the network and then it ricochets off every device until it finds his and then he gets the message it's really pretty cool without everyone else like seeing it too no no yeah no because they're it's encrypted right and so it only seeks out the the phone the encryption key from the person who has it i think in the future your computer you'll be able to click a little switch in the bottom right where it'll say like activate mesh and then your computer will just be part of the network the mesh network anyone else wants to mesh into it gps is is mostly becoming uh

irrelevant i mean not really but kind of a lot of people uh maybe don't know this your phone tracks your location through ambient signals not necessarily through satellites anymore so yeah right when you're using um and here's the crazy thing google maps on android right now is not even using that it's using pictures yeah so if you have low accuracy and it doesn't know where you are it says point your camera out the window and then it uses google earth data wow yeah so by you filming the trees as you drive down the highway it'll be like found, found you. Yeah, when I learned that, it blew my mind. It was terrifying, actually.

Dinesh, are you concerned about the metaverse? Not necessarily Mark Zuckerberg's, but just the concept of going into a neural net universe and kind of living your daily life in this thing? Or do you think it's a good benefit for the species? How do you view it? Well, I think that the problem, I think, is bigger than that. The metaverse is like the latest chapter of this. And that is that we have visual and virtual reality.

And I admit, as a filmmaker, I create the same, that if you don't, it has the risk of pulling us away from real human feelings. And so our feelings become increasingly simulated. They're not even really real. And by that, I mean, we're accustomed to a certain type. Let's take, for example, a politician who sees some of these horrific images, right? He goes, oh my God, there are children who are being held hostage and are being slaughtered. And you feel that emotion as if it was your own kid, but like for three seconds, right? Because then somebody goes, hey, I got a hamburger here. You know, you want cheese, you know?

And so we're now in this world where we have this extreme reaction, but then we go right back to a mundane reality. And so the metaverse just takes this concept to a whole new level where you can have a surrogate identity. You can meet, have a virtual girlfriend. You know, you can buy real estate in the metaverse and you're, you know, so suddenly you have a surrogate life. This is why people don't get. There's two reasons why you will live in the pod and you'll be happy. You'll live in the pod, you'll eat the bugs and you'll be happy. You'll live in the pod, you'll eat the bugs, and you'll be happy. The first reason is when they take

away your children's knowledge of what could be, they won't want it. So 100 years ago, let's say 200 years ago, nobody was complaining about not having air conditioning. There wasn't air conditioning. You just go and cool off by the water and hole or fan yourself.

Now that we have air conditioning, people are like why don't you have air conditioning? There's restaurants, people won't go. No, you don't have air conditioning. Now we have to have it. They take away your knowledge of what could be and you will be like, wow, the pod is fun. But the other reason is because it's not living in a pod. You're going to be a king. You're going to come home from work if you're even going to work. And some people will still have reality based jobs, but most people will work in like a white collar jobs in the pod. Your house will be a box. You'll go inside and lock the door, lay back, and then your eyes will roll back in your head or whatever.

And then you're instantly in a gigantic mansion where your dog runs up to you and your dog never dies. Your cat never dies. We took a scan of your old cat from when you were a kid and made a version of it your ai wife walks up to you she'll never leave you she's everything you ever wanted her to be we were talking about that at the event last friday um ever crack i was talking with the guys from pbd podcast yeah and ever quest the video game and he was like when the power would go out like no i lost my life like my whole my my person i'm gone and we're talking about the met like getting into the metaverse and the danger of like if you have a surrogate love if you really in love and that gets turned off like what in the hell you're

well i mean you slave to that system at that point two of the great dystopian works of the 20th century were huxley's brave new which is actually this, what you're just describing. And the other, of course, is Orwell. And interestingly, at that time, I thought, we may go this way or we may go that way, but it never occurred to me that we would actually go both ways. So we're now getting a hybrid of Huxley and Orwell. So Orwell says that the police state is a boot stamping on a human face, right?

And we have some of that. And this is what I do in the film. I mean, I want the ordinary citizen to see that because Americans have a great difficulty getting their heads around the fact that that could happen here. But the Huxley part of it is another way a police state lulls a citizen into sort of complacency. It's like, we'll give you manufactured experience. Now, manufactured experience is not real experience in the sense that it's not the real thing,

right? I mean, living your life with a real woman and going through all that has a texture and complexity that an e-girlfriend or even a porn video cannot supply. But Tim's point is, what if you don't know that? What if you think that this porn experience is actually sexual experience? This is romantic experience. I've got a girlfriend. Why would I want a real one? This one never complains. This is what's going on. You're forgetting one name as well. It's not just Orwell or Huxley. It's also Bradbury. Fahrenheit 451. It's all coming together. What's that story fahrenheit 451 people became so offended that the society built up a fireman who would go and destroy offensive materials right

and and it's not about the government doing it it's about the people collectively being like if you make a book critical of you of the unions well that's offensive to you you can't have that if someone likes dogs what's offensive to cat owners so you gotta get rid of it all and so what's what's what's gonna happen is you're gonna have the police demanding hey it's past curfew get in your pod then you're gonna have that but don't worry in your pod you're eating nothing but cheesecake you're eating you're eating creme brulee cookie dough caramel fudge cheesecake triple dipped deep fried every minute of every waking hour whatever you could want pulsing your abs and you wake up stronger and it's safer because we're always at war and then but but then there's all

all the information removed from your existence because everyone's shocked and offended by it so in your private reality you have whatever you want but no one dare go outside of it or interact there's going to be the solo player pod, your own private universe. Sometimes you can invite friends in, but it's just for you. And then there's going to be the interactive PVP version, but no one dared do anything exciting there because it's too offensive. Right. I mean, think of the irony right now on campus. You've got people who for a decade have been talking about being triggered and needing a safe space and micro aggressions and you offended me by not using my pronouns and those same people are like hamas they're cheering real murder yeah and yet and yet these rhetorical offenses were evident evidently so intolerable and unbearable to them and morally offensive

and those same people when confronted with real atrocities are like we're okay with that one yeah i don't imagine that the hamas government would use their pronouns well it's also like i was thinking about that when we were watching that video where they were chanting basically you know hitler's thing and i'm like they were literally fighting against fascism and now they're on for hitler's fascism yeah it was crazy how fast they were able to adopt a nazi phrase all the way this is why i say it's like an inversion that's why i say the left has no moral framework it's a chaotic and destructive force it makes no sense they're like those words

are offensive and then they go and cheer for hermas it cheer for Hamas. It's like bizarro world. It's an inversion. We here as moral people are like, innocent people shouldn't die. But offensive words may be necessary because sometimes offensive ideas are the right ideas. And sometimes inoffensive ideas are the wrong ideas. The left is inverted. No. No one should be allowed to speak.

But what Hamas did, it's like, it's it's like it's it's an inverted world of nonsense morality. It's crazy. Yeah, they're they're falling into the oppressor oppressed category. I mean, a lot of it comes from the establishment of the Jewish state over the course of the 19th century. But it's not. It's when they say like or 18th, 20th century, if if a homeless white person, a homeless, homeless veteran, a white man on the ground, they say he's the oppressor and Oprah Winfrey is the oppressed. I'm not kidding. That's their argument based on race.

A white veteran homeless man has more power than Oprah does. That is nonsensical. Yep. Removal of objective reality. That is the logical extension of systematic racism, right? And in fact, it's the nonsensical logic or illogic of intersectionality. So intersectionality is that this was actually a very clever device

thought of by a law professor, a black law professor in the Midwest. And she's a black woman. And she's like, listen, I don't want all the civil rights prestige to go to Martin Luther King and all these black guys. How do we get the black

women ahead of them, right? And the answer is double oppression. So the black guy is a victim of racism, so he's got like one point, but I'm a victim of racism and sexism, two points. And of course, if I'm a black female lesbian or have one leg, then I've got three points. So it becomes like a inverted totem pole. But this was actually not even hypothetical. You're quite literally describing the algorithmic machine that was built on social media. So Facebook launches their algorithm for the first time. And we see a wave of police brutality videos because people don't like injustice. And so they're like, wow, I can't believe this happening. Of all people, police shouldn't be doing this, right?

This was protect us. What happened is many of these websites were started making insane amounts of money when they kept posting this, this rage bait of police brutality. But then something happened. Someone posted racist police brutality. All of a sudden they're getting two X the views so that police brutality plus racism is not just 1.2 points. It's, it's not X plus Y it's X Y it's multiplied. What ended up happening is you get some of the most absurd articles imaginable where it's like

vice rights, black trans women, black trans lesbians at personify black lives matter and denounce police brutality from white supremacy they jam all of these words into the headline so the algorithm will promote it more oh yeah it's going to different groups so the idea of intersectionality actually emerges mechanically through our social media platforms because that's what the machine would share the most if if someone clicks on racism, the algorithm says people like this, show them more. If someone clicks on sexism, they like this, show them more.

But you put them both together, everyone's clicking on it now. So intersectionality fit the mold perfectly for promotion algorithm. Very interesting. It's technology meets ideology. And so the ideology came first because these ideas go back to the late 1980s. But of course, at that time, they were not powered by this sort of, there were no algorithms to drive

them. And then the algorithms, well, I mean, there's the algorithms were programmed in this way because it's obviously, you know, inputs and outputs. What's, right now we're watching human identity fracture and shatter into a million pieces to the point where for the past 10 years you've had the emergence of other kin. Are you familiar with other kin? I've heard the term, but I don't even know what it means. Trans mythical species. There are people who identify as elf dragon lords and stuff like this. And it's like you might assume it's nonsensical and it's not as in the realm of reality. But a lot of people do say, like, I'm an owl kin, like I have an owl spirit in me and things like this and it's like you might assume it's nonsensical and it and it's not as in the realm of reality but a lot of people do say like i'm an owlkin like i have an owl spirit in me and

things like this they i'm actually identified as a wolf as we watch reality break down human beings you know like someone who is male is identifying as female people identifying as animals there was one very prominent individual who was male but identified as a female tiger and got surgery to look like a tiger oh i saw that well that person took their own life as we're watching the chaos rise and identity fracture if we move into a metaverse reality give it a couple generations and you will it will what you will see inside of people's pods we make the joke i made the joke that you're going to live in the pod and you're going to be in a mansion with a woman no no no no so in a couple generations of this continued fracturing of identity you will you will take a look the government will say let's go spy

on you know this person's pod experience and they're going to click it and they're going to be a piece of cake vibrating on a bowling ball that's spinning around around a moon with a bunch of carrots twirling in the air yeah and you're like it'll be a code no it's like what the hell are they even it's not even that it's going to be nonsensical abstractions that's what i mean of complete fractured identity and the cake person has been going yeah that's what i meant by sorry interrupting it's just going to be it's going to be expanding the complexity of nonsense it's the end of human nature isn't it there's a There's an important book from the last century by the Harvard biologist E.O. Wilson. It's called On Human Nature.

And he talks about human nature has certain parameters. Now, there's a variation within those parameters. But he says, try to imagine a human being that decided, I'm going to be a toad, right? He goes, but I mean, not just I identify like a toad, like I want to look like a toad or wear a toad costume or something, but I want to be a toad. I am a toad. In fact, I'm a toad in a human body. I'm really a toad, but I'm in the wrong body. He goes, you would have to go down to the creek and jump around in the water and eat what toads eat and be a toad, right? Now, imagine if someone actually did that. Now, I think most of us, at least the libertarian streak in us would be, that's interesting.

Let's go check that dude out, you know? But it would be a whole different matter if that guy then began to demand that the whole of society recognize him as a toad, right? And so this effort to not only say my mind has given me this new identity, but I'm now insisting that you subscribe to this identity. You buy into my illusion, so to speak. Yes. This is where I think we go off the rails.

But where are we going? If we do go into this metaverse, we had that Lex Fridman, Mark Zuckerberg interview. Did you guys see it? I think you pointed out. I saw clips of it. Where they're animated CGI figures. It looks just like them.

And they're talking from across the country. But they're in the same room sitting down. And you can see their bodies and face moving as if they're not. You know, it's real-time generation. Here's what's going to happen. You think it's absurd to recognize the toad person when the whole world is in the metaverse there is going you're going to walk into your business you're going to put on your headset and you're going to grab your controllers haptic feedback or whatever your avatar will be you your regular old danesh walking you'll sit down at this table and be like aren't everybody ready for the production meeting and there will be a giant toad and there will be a giant carrot person.

And then there will be a Godzilla. And that's how they identify. And so the frog man will be like, I would like to discuss. And you're like, that's just, that's what we do now. In the reality in which we operate,

people are whatever they want to be. I've been continuing to remind people that if you're a human man and you identify whatever, as a woman, as a brick wall, you're both a woman and a human man. You never stop becoming one. You're still a human man that identifies as some other thing. But you don't become anything else. Well, you identify as something else, but you never truly stop being a human man. That's part of your experience.

A human man who identifies as a carrot is still a human man who identifies as a carrot. Yeah, exactly. And you can be both. There's an imprecision here because the person who's saying that wants you to believe, even though they use the sly word identify, what they really mean is I am a woman in the wrong body. They're not saying I am imagining myself to be a woman. I'm a man who imagines myself to be a woman what they're

saying is i really am a woman but i am in a sense and i've given i've been ascribed the wrong biology and that's why i have to undertake all these surgeries and hormones and all this stuff this matters now but when we are in a digital reality there will be no question because you'll meet some you'll be talking to as far as you can tell in virtual reality a woman and you'll have no idea that it's a middle-aged morbidly obese man behind the screen it's in the movie surrogates uh with bruce willis this is the first thing they introduce it's like there's some hot woman and some dude at a club making out the movie is about people who use robots to pilot the world for them because it's safer. And then when the person dies, the surrogate of the female dies, they're like, let's go track down the owner and see what happened. They walk into this very beautiful apartment and there's a 500-pound man in the machine who's dead.

And they're like, that's her? Yep. That's great. Yep. yep that's yep you get that a little bit in in uh role-playing games like world of warcraft and stuff where a dude chooses to play as a as a female half elf or a female night elf and i'm like well it's but i don't i don't see that i don't see that as the same way it's a question of when you when when you play with dolls are you controlling the doll or are you becoming the doll and everybody kind of does it differently right i do yeah i don't i don't become the i mean i guess

you could you could pretend to be you're making the characters you're like hello i'm this guy yeah i'm this guy if you if you're if you're playing in world of warcraft and you're role playing and you're like i would like to be a female whatever people would get married what's that you acknowledge it's a game and not reality because you're playing it a game right people get married in the game. Do you identify as your character or is your character a thing you manipulate? Yeah, but you're right because some people were just a manipulative character. Some people they started to identify, I think.

And then maybe it's psychoactives. Maybe it's like pharma drugs that are making people at 12 years old not know reality from fiction. No, I mean, it depends. Some people go into these games specifically to role play as a character that either is or is not themselves but when i played world of warcraft i had like seven different we call them tunes and some were male and some were female it was just like action figures yeah but it's and then if someone asks you like are you a girl and you're like yes that's when it goes a little crazy we were on what was it team speak and what was the

other one was it vector or whatever? There's a lot of them. Was it? I think it was VectorChat. Yeah. Everybody knows who we are. We're hanging out together. And it's like playing with action figures. It's almost as if what's happening in our society is that at one level, we're seeing increased clampdown, regimentation, control, governments, elites.

And it's not just governments. I mean, our police state is a little bit unique in that it sprawls across the private sector too. I mean, think of censorship. Censorship involves academia. It involves the media. It involves nonprofit institutions. It involves the government and the digital platforms. So an academic will make up a list, right? And let's just say, Tim Pool and I on the list, gotta ban these two guys. That list will then be picked up by the Biden administration, which will then sort it. Oh, Tim Pool is spreading lies about the election,

send it over to CISA, the Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Aid. Dinesh is spreading lies about COVID, send him over to the CDC. So all these agencies compile these lists, but then they don't want to explicitly censor because they might get caught. So they hand it off to a middleman. They go to the Stanford Internet Observatory or the Virality Project. They go, guys, you take this list and you deliver it

to the digital platforms. So that way we're out of it. So that they do the handoff, the digital platforms ban you and the media cheers. And they don't make any specific statements of fact. That way they can't be sued. So I actually dealt with this. I think Stanford claimed that I was one of the largest, me and a few other people were the biggest promoters of disinformation during the 2020 election, which is the weirdest thing to say I did

because I have like the most tepid opinions on these things. And we use NewsGuard, which is Microsoft funded, not like they have a contract deal. So they're getting a lot of financing through a deal with Microsoft. I put out a story where I'm like, hey, look, local Fox outlet says X. And they're like, Tim Pool spreads disinformation. You ask them where or how they don't have to tell you and they don't have to argue what is or isn't. And you can't zoom over it. I mean, to me, the most creepy word that came out of the Twitter files was malinformation. So malinformation is information that's true, but harmful to the ideology of the regime.

Kind of something like you can take the vaccine and you can still get COVID and you can still give COVID. Well, people go, wait a minute, how is it a quote vaccine? Vaccines by by definition, prevent you from getting it. And so that becomes malinformation. It's not wrong. It's actually true. That's why they want to ban you. At first, it was, I think it was misinformation. And they were like, some people are spreading information accidentally incorrect. Then it became disinformation. That's like, now they're intentionally doing it, then malinformation. It may be true, but it is bad for a lot of reasons.

I mean, again, flashing back, you know, a generation. Disinformation used to mean information that is deliberately false, that is put out by a government. Soviet disinformation coming out through Pravda, Izvestia, all these Soviet propaganda. But the idea that an ordinary individual debating a vaccine could be doing disinformation is absurd. You can be misinformed. You could be even malicious. You could be lying. But disinformation, again, that term was ripped out of its original context and used in a completely different context. I mean, I would assume that a citizen could provide disinformation as if they were a Soviet government.

Like one brilliant guy that has access to a lot of data could definitely, with a lot of followers, could seed like a false narrative. But the argument was that in a free marketplace of ideas, your peers could check you, they could challenge you. So the idea that you could monopolize disinformation, it wouldn't really work. Whereas on the other hand, if a government was doing it, then they could sort of control the flow of it. Here's the challenge. Let's say the government releases an AI image and then the people check that image and says, hey, wait a minute, this is AI generated. Then news organizations through statements made by the government confirm actually it's real. And people just, what do you do? You've got multiple news organizations and a government saying, confirm, actually, it's real. And people just, what do you do? You've got multiple news organizations

and a government saying, actually, we checked it's real. And users being like, we ran algorithms and said it's fake. People are going to be, it's just nonsense world. There's nothing that's true anymore. That's where we're entering.

We're in this, we're here now to some degree. Think about how often we are told, who do you believe, us or your lying eyes? So take January 6th. Most of us had a pretty good view of what happened. There was a lot of coverage of the event. You could see, yeah, there was some episodic violence. There were some clashes.

Some of it got pretty bad. There were people who climbed through windows and up the banisters and so on. At other stages, you have people wandering very carefully through the ropes, making sure not to deface or damage anything. And so all of this was right there in front of you to see. But then a whole manufactured narrative came up, which was quite different from what we saw. And the January 6th committee is, believe this, don't believe what you saw. Yep. I think of that with 9-11 too, when I watched those buildings fall in near free fall

speed. Well, you take a look at Januaryuary 6 being a good example we did on this show i think this was almost two years ago now i talked about how on january 6 we would likely end up with with january 6 we would likely end up seeing acquittals because you can't charge someone with trespass unless they've been warned they're trespassing and so the problem with january 6 is that many people arrived later on in the day when the fences were removed, the doors were opened by the police, and they walked in confused. The Young Turks, particularly Cenk Uygur, made a clip insulting me, saying that's the stupidest argument ever. Tim Pool's a moron, as if these people are fighting with police and walking over broken glass and don't know they're trespassing. You see, the problem was that Cenk and Anna did not actually know what happened on January 6th.

They had only seen what CNN wanted them to see. And they didn't know on the other side of the building, cops opened the door and fanned people. And well, sure enough, a couple of months later, there was a hard acquittal. One man argued to the judge. The police fanned me in. The defense plays a video of the cops going like this and waving them in. And the judge said, you are correct, sir. You are free to go.

Case dismissed. And that's not the only one another man got acquitted on uh on the trespass charge because the police no he got he got acquitted on a bunch of charges in including the trespass without warning but then he got a lighter charge because he climbed over a barricade later on or something to that effect there was like a half acquittal some of the charges got dropped because the police are seen fanning him in but then later on he climbed past a barricade or something. But we've seen several people get acquitted because the cops fanned him in. If the Young Turks don't know this, then, of course, they're going to say, how could Tim say something like this?

The problem is an inquisitive mind would say, wait, wait, wait, what is Tim Pool talking about? People didn't know. How is that possible? Let me search for this. Whoa, I didn't realize the cops fanned people in this is one of the biggest challenges we face right now in the culture war is ignorant anger but it's even more than that now it's ignorant like i haven't seen all the videos coming out of gaza or israel i haven't so i'm ignorant i don't know what's going on but then

i see videos that aren't real so i start to think that I have seen what's going on, but it didn't actually happen. That's even, it's like, that's kind of even worse than not knowing. Yeah. Part of it is we have also been, you know, in a sphere of vast knowledge, none of us can be in a position to know across the board, right? And therefore, in a society, you trust institutions and authorities that have expertise in a particular area. A classic example being the medical establishment. Does this drug work? Do I have these symptoms and what does it mean? How long do I have to live, doctor? And so you defer to these authorities and we have been doing it, but suddenly a lot of these institutions, the FBI, the CDC, we've realized are not above lying to us bald-faced. And also not above the most nefarious motives, like, you know, here's Fauci.

And he goes, oh, shoot, this virus might have come out of the Wuhan lab. Guess what? I've been funding this gain of function research in North Carolina. Those guys are working with the Wuhan lab. This could be, I could be like Mengele. I mean, I could be blamed for millions of people dying. I got to make sure that people think this virus came out of a wet market nearby. So then he calls up some researchers.

These are basically people on the government payroll, but they're world-class researchers. And he says, you guys, I know you've got some doubts, but whip out a paper saying that the virus came out of a wet market. And these guys are like, oh yeah, my grant's coming up for renewal. Happy to do so, Mr. Fauci. They show him the paper beforehand. He knows all about it, but then he goes to a press conference and he acts, this is like an Oscar-winning performance. He goes, you know, I've just come across this important paper by these world-class virologists saying that the virus came from a wet market. So Fauci, you know, so what I'm getting at here is that police states, when they are

under construction, when you're building them, you need a lot of subterfuge. You need a lot of flim-flam. You need a lot of smoke and mirrors. You need a lot of lying. Now, when you've got a full-fledged police state, you don't need any lying. You just walk into a train station, grab a guy. You don't give him any reasons. You beat him over the head. He'll never be seen from again. But while you're building the police state, you need to fool people. And so, that's what's going on. And so I think that our distrust of these institutions is completely justified. I wonder if we're seeing a shift, and someone super chatted that even Dave Portnoy was supporting Nikki Haley. And so I just looked and I see Dave Portnoy

supporting Nikki Haley. Yeah. And the statement was Nikki Haley saying something like, when Israel invades Gaza, people are going to call for restraint, but Hamas showed no restraint when they invaded Israel. And Dave's like, I like Nikki more and more. I'm wondering if what might happen, and there's a lot of bad things to this, but a lot of good. Just hear me out. It will be very bad if we get a fervent, zealous war machine emerging from what we're seeing. But the potential good is that the anti-war faction people like with a more libertarian streak become what the left used to be or what the right so what happens is the modern version of the identity left ceases to exist because of their overt support for terror

and then what's left is the dominant factions in the culture war become like moderate libertarian leaning freedom folks anti-establishment being like hey we don't want war but we agree hamas is bad no identity politics versus no identity politics you're right about that but we want to defend israel and we want foreign intervention and so it reverts back to the old school left and right of anti-war versus i'm concerned that it would be an identitarian authoritarian uh no i'm saying that I'm saying that's dying out. Tim is saying we might be able to root those guys out and replace them with a new two-party system in which you have sort of a pro-war authoritarian party and a more libertarian anti-war party. I wouldn't say authoritarian.

I think pro-intervention versus anti-intervention. Yeah. I mean, I think this is the, you know, we were talking earlier about Trump. And I think part of the ingenuity of Trump is that he was essentially, I don't want to get our country into a war, but I'm not against administering a well-deserved ass kicking from time to time. And I think that's where most Americans are. You know, Americans are. You know, Americans are like, look, we're not looking for a big ground war here.

But on the other hand, there are really bad guys in the world and we have to figure out ways to teach them a lesson. No amount of cocktail parties and quote negotiations and, you know, giving them money in pallets is going to really do the job. You have to hold them accountable. I disagree. I mean, it wasn't so much an ass kicking.

It was the threat of one by a crazy guy. And, you know, the thing about Donald Trump is that he's got 20 charisma. So when he shows up and he negotiates, it actually starts getting things done. You've got the Abraham Accords, despite the fact, you know, Max Blumenthal said he thought they were bad and they set up the situation we have now. I'm not so sure I agree, but, you know, he's allowed to have his opinion. He's done a lot of research on the area, though he has his biases. But what Max did agree with me on, he made a very funny joke, but I'll reserve that for his right to say. I don't want to steal it from him.

But he said that he was very much impressed and grateful when he saw Trump negotiate with Kim Jong Un and cross the DMZ. I said the same thing. I said when I saw Donald Trump cross the demilitarized zone into North Korea with no security detail, I was I was near tears. The American president, the left will not accept this. The liberals will not accept this donald trump risked his life entering an enemy country with their dictator because he wanted peace could you imagine what north korea could have done north korea famously will snatch south korean soldiers and pull them in donald trump willfully crossed over and there's the famous photo in the video he goes up there he shakes they shake hands they wave he walks. A tremendous effort towards peace. Amazing. Amazing. Donald Trump was doing. And I bet you that with a conventional State Department bureaucracy, they all begged him not to do it. Yep. They probably told him, do not do that. What the media say. They said he's becoming friends with evil men and dictators. And it's just like, should we just go to war and drop bombs? Well, the military industrial complex would love that. Now, I don't

know about Blumenthal, but with regard to the Abraham Accords, in a weird way, you could say that they set up the current conflict, but not in the way I think that is normally meant. They set up the current conflict in that they produced a fear in Hamas that Israel is now cutting deals. That's what Max said. Oh yeah, okay. And so what happens is Hamas goes, we can't allow this to happen. So what we need to do is we need to do something really bad,

which will then cause Israel to do something in retaliation that will then inflame the entire Muslim world and will crash down the Abrahamic accords. So this is not a critique of Trump. In fact, it is essentially saying kind of what the left thinks. We have to undo everything that Trump did. And in a weird way, they're trying to Hamas is trying to do that also. We're going to go to super chats. So if you haven't already, would you kindly smash that like button, subscribe to this channel, share the show with your friends and head over to

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He says, howdy people. Ian, happy to hear about your spiritual journey might i recommend bible in a year podcast tim the podcast host father mike schmitz would be an awesome guest for y'all's religious debate thank you bible i don't i don't think we're doing a religious debate i think it's shameless it's fresh it's ian and it's going to be a conversation around religious ideas i think we're really really fascinating i've been doing going live on twitter i'm probably not going to be on later tonight but uh it's been really great i was on for five hours last night we had like 2 000 people came through and 20 speakers or something

it was great yeah man we also i will say um the music setup for friday night music is is here yeah and we're we're getting ready for that to exist which means we're gonna actually have musical guests and then friday nights it's not just like you know back in the early days uh we'd play music we would just jam a couple songs on the acoustic guitar no we're actually planning on asking me like booking musicians like hiring them being like hey we'll pay you x you've come on and then some people will just be guests on the show if they're more politically minded and then we'll jam and play songs dude we're actually talking about we'll pay him like a rate to come and play a studio band that can cover like any song would be so great because then we just do all sorts of covers.

You do a cover and then you instantly lose all monetization on the show. Guys, you have not been listening to your own comments about AI. You don't need to hire any musicians. You don't need any bands. You don't need to pay anybody. You can just generate it all. And move your hand like you're strumming and your mouth just on camera. In fact, you could be singing. Well, I do. I would just generate it all. And move your hand like you're strumming and your mouth just on camera. In fact, you could be singing.

Well, I do. I would just do it. But we could get Bucko or maybe RB3. RB3. He's looking healthy. RB3 is big. He's bigger than Roberto Jr. Yeah, it's Roberto Beaks III. Okay. I was like, who's RB3? RB3. He's the new dude.

He's a handsome rooster all right based jew says donate this to the timcast x miami break even fund so so i'll mention that a lot of people super chatted saying they didn't realize that um oh did you see the other one down there which one the other one like the guy that mentioned i forgot where it was but it was probably towards the bottom right there's a bunch of people i don't know if when you're referring to but there's a bunch of people who are saying like they didn't realize that the stream on youtube was being ripped and taken from our website and so uh and they're super chatting the the general concept is it is very very difficult to do live events it is a tremendous amount of stress on everyone it makes people

have to work extra hours and work double weekends. So it's basically Monday through Friday is work. Then first thing Saturday and Sunday, you have to work. Then Monday through Friday is the week of the event with nonstop work, 24, 16 hours a day, because you're in a different city and you have to be working all the time. Then Friday, it's another 16 hours. Then Saturday is tear down and travel. And then Sunday is return home. And then Monday is work again. So that's two weekends. It is three straight weeks of nonstop work to do an event. What we're looking at now is for, we're looking at Pittsburgh. This is because Pittsburgh is so close. It's only about two and a half to three

hours away from us. We could literally just send out a crew Friday morning, set everything set up by a production company. And then we drive in that that one day and it makes it one day. And then that Saturday we're back and everything. It's a lot easier to do. Flying out requires us to build up a temporary studio in the city. And it's a nightmarishly stressful thing. Yeah.

So the issue was someone went on. And this is funny. This is not a this was not my understanding is that it was not a like new member. This was someone who was actually donating a subsidy, like a larger sum of money, ripped the show and publish it on YouTube for free spiking it basically. Cause we were trying to do like, Hey, become a member to watch this. It costs us a lot of money as a lot of work. And we, we sacrificed a lot for it. And then they basically spiked the show. And the issue is it's not so much about the money. It's about if we are not making it work and we are losing money from it, I can't justify the level of stress on the crew and the people involved.

And I've already got some pushback saying we shouldn't, I don't know if we should, we should keep doing this. Maybe we'll just do it once a year or something. Whereas I'm trying to be like, how do we make it once a month? How do we do smaller events on the East coast? We can drive to, so we have once a month, a lot easier. And I'm already getting like, Hey man, you probably shouldn't like, there's nothing we can do to stop people from ripping the show and taking it.

And we're, we're going to keep losing money and stressing people out. No one's going to want to do it. And so it's like, we'll see what we can make happen. I don't think to be honest, having like more money come in changes. The fact that people are stressed out by this

but i gotta be honest when after the show like right when i got off stage like oh by the way 14 000 people are watching live for free just basically spiked the whole the whole membership drive thing you now have demoralization and people being like we shouldn't break our backs over this because we just got spiked and it's like well okay but we'll we'll try and figure it out like the alternative is like do we have to implement drm on timcast.com to to make yeah so it's like if you try and screen grab that it just turns off or something and i'm like that's so crazy but that's why it exists the reality is this a lot of people were like you should have made it free you should have given it away and it's just like okay well then we don't we stop doing it right it's it's just it's it's it It's just, it's very difficult to do.

We're looking at other ways of making it feasible. And that would be, we're actually looking at like a bigger conference doing like three days maybe, making bigger venues with multiple shows because then it becomes something people really want to be at. Still, the ticket sales are always going to be at that level

because it's just the only way you can do it. Oh yeah, like $1,000 for three day weekend or something like that yeah like it was it was 100 i think it was like 150 for austin and we lost 20 or something thousand dollars doing it and then uh miami was 175 and we only broke even because public square sponsored the show shout out public square you guys rock thanks mike uh yeah and so that that sponsorship basically made it work if if not for that it would have been like six figures lost doing the event. And it's a difficult thing to do. It's really hard.

I like the weekend concept because one of my favorite parts of the event was meeting people before and after the show and the networking. And that was like four hours on Saturday in the afternoon. If we were doing like a daily, we had a conference center. Like if we did a conference center Friday, Saturday, Sunday, and you could go hang out for six hours on saturday have lunch meet tons of people see them again saturday night see them again sunday afternoon that'd be i think a really great network and and so the challenge is that means but you'd be a thousand bucks a ticket three weeks straight with no days off yeah and it's not it's not just that it's 16 hours a day every day right that's like for me particularly and then for everyone else like carter went down and was doing it back to like tuesday right so he was for him it was even more

and then and then we had to fly out surge like what twice yeah twice because like it's it's it's it's a lot if we do pittsburgh it's like you might drive out on monday and check it out and then drive back it's a single day so much easier that'll be a lot easier oh yeah yeah i mean it's smart that you guys are are disclosing to people how all this stuff works. We get the same thing with movies. They're like, Dinesh, you should make 2,000 mules available for free. I'm like, it cost me millions of dollars to make this movie. I've tapped investors to do that.

I'm not even trying to make them richer with it. I'm just trying to give them their money back so they'll give it back to me so i can do it again this is this is what i'm saying about the left narrative over the idea of profit yeah is even prevalent on the right and the libertarians i like no no first of all i'll say this as capitalists i reserve the right to become wealthy off of a product i produce that being said i am ideologically driven what i want for these events like when we lost money on austin i was like hey that's cool though man we. We did something really important. We still need to be able to keep doing it. So I'm like, break even, you know, like we break even, we're good.

But when someone goes on the website, restreams it on Twitch and YouTube, and then we can't make our money back, you get people being like, why did, like, did we lose a bunch of money on this? And I'm like, I think we theoretically could have lost between like did we lose a bunch of money on this and i'm like i think we we theoretically could have lost between like 100k and a million bucks based on how this ripped us off because like imagine this 14 000 people watching if all 14 000 signed up at 10 bucks a month you're looking at over a million bucks in the year if they remain members for a year now the reality is most people would sign up for the month and then cancel right away because they want to watch one

event that's a 10 ticket so you're talking about 140 grand at minimum right that could have been made and all of that money goes right back into our events company that pays the salary and the the ongoing costs of running events we're trying to make so we have a company that runs events that we've created it has staff and we're trying to make that company functional for now it is losing money and i'm putting my money into it to get it going with the miami event thanks to public square we just about broke even but understand that means i worked two extra weekends and i didn't get i personally in i personally got nothing from it yeah other than the way i describe it is if i won the lottery

and someone said what would you buy with all that money? If you could buy anything, what would you, I'd say win the culture war. True. That's it. So like, that's, that's it. The challenge is like the physical and mental stress. And then people notice this. Cause I went on PBD Saturday, Saturday morning, Patrick, but David came on and he did the event with us. We're entirely grateful. He stole the show with his great speech, his standing ovation. And they asked if I would do his show absolutely reciprocity and fresh and fit i made a promise i'd be on their show but you could tell i was dead by the time i was on fresh dude fresh it's hilarious because you're like staring off while luke's giving his intro thing about balder's gate probably i was like he's thinking about balder no my brain was going i was like after two weeks

of non-stop work and sign this paper and sign this paper and this one got rejected now we had to get multiple forms notarized to be able to do it, like the Florida government making us do tax stuff. By the time I'm there, I'm just like seeing weird shapes and there's like, you know, I'm just hallucinating. There's so much that goes into it and you guys, remember, if you pay money towards it, it gets better and then it gets cooler and you can meet us and stuff and blah blah blah.

It just gets better. It's the only thing that happens. We'll read some more. We got Andrew Lingnell says, I think you inspired Meet Kevin to do a TimCcast style YouTube live channel. Must have been all these super chats giving him a good impression. He ain't Timcast though. What was he doing?

I mean, everybody's doing a live stream though. You know, I do think it's funny when I meet people and they're like, hey, I'm doing a new live show, but don't worry, it's not at 8 p.m. And I'm like, bro, there's a million live streams. But there's a lot of people, I guess, are worried. When we first started the show, Crowder was doing Thursday night live streams and it was painfully obvious. streams but there's a lot of people i guess are worried when we first started the show crowder

was doing thursday night live streams and it was painfully obvious we'd get like you know 50 000 50 000 50 000 37 000 50 000 and it was like when crowder came on a large portion went to watch crowder instead when crowder switched to morning shows we get a consistent spike in viewership so i think a lot of people are just like what's the point of launching a live show at the same time as IRL when it's just like people are going to leave my show to watch that? But you've got to do your thing. You don't got to like, look, Tucker Carlson goes on at the same time. He used to be on the same time as us. It is what it is.

Some people choose to watch it. They don't. All right, we go. Fixed Bayonet says 2000 meals was awesome. Will you look into Obama's chef? Buck buck for Miami. I mean, this is a case where, I mean, for a while there, we were getting the kind of Clinton body count of all the people mysteriously dropping dead who had some questionable association

with the Clintons. And now with Obama, we've got this. And I haven't really looked very closely at all this, but there's been a guy on social media who keeps releasing documents, police reports and things, basically making the thing seem really pretty fishy and leaving the day, the most protected man in America, even more than Biden. Because even with Biden, you get the impression that the left is sort of, their view on him is, listen, as long as you're willing to sit in the canoe and do your part, we'll row the boat for you. But there's a little bit of a conditionality there. If things get out of hand, and if somehow there's a smoking gun, and you've got the Chinese Chinese money going right, it says Joe Biden on the check, you know, we're out of here. But with Obama, it's almost like, no, we have a pact. We will protect you no matter what. You're America's first black president. We cannot. So the level of protection of that guy is unbelievable.

Ugly Truth says Hamas fighting Israel is like throwing a rock at a tank. This was their only way to make a statement. Wow. So they went and killed civilians and kidnapped them to make a statement. The funny thing is, I already stated this. If Hamas broke the fence down, land landed with paragliders in the music festival, rounded up all the civilians and said,

everyone make it back to your cars. Now, before the conflict starts, we don't want civilians here. We are, we are, there's a military operation. Go, go, go, go, go. And started fanning people to their cars and all the civilians drove out and left. They went to the porta potties and knocked and said, a military operation is underway. We need civilians to leave now, now, now. Went to the kibbutzes and says, everyone remain calm, stay in your homes. We're not going to be entering your homes that's sending a message paragliding in and ushering civilians out and asserting military control over an area without harming anybody is a message killing civilians is you call that a message they're basically saying we want to lose this conflict

and we want everyone to hate our guts israel's message is we will minimize civilian casualties but we must stop the we must target these military bases and these weapons depots i don't think that they have a minimized civilian casualty israel outright says they have the doheny doctor i'm not saying that they follow it i'm saying israel's pr strategy is to in every way say we seek to minimize civilian casualties hamas's strategy is to outright parade videos of them holding children hostages. Like, it's just that. I mean, I think for the Israelis, it's not only the moral thing to do, but it's actually the prudent thing to do because there are all these international organizations that are actually waiting to pounce on Israel.

They're just waiting to be able to show that there is a moral equivalence between what the Israelis are doing and what the Hamas guys are doing. That's the next shoe to drop. And so the Israelis, to the degree they can, have got to be really careful to say, we are hitting military targets. There might be some civilian casualties, but we're not aiming at the civilians. They just announced they were going to for the people in northern Gaza to evacuate to the south. And then people people like please don't start a ground invasion the americans were like we are officially requesting that you do not start the ground invasion the un's like do not start a ground invasion right now because i agree if the israelis go in there and start massacring women

and kids and kids on their bikes the whole world's gonna gonna go to war with them it's war they're gonna do it well then the whole world's gonna attack them they gotta know that uh well not the whole world half the world i i it could be world war three it's but but this if they go if they go slaughter a million people dude what that's like nazi level stuff what doesn't here's what doesn't matter right israel knows who their allies are and they need only convince moderate leaning allied nations russia is not going to align itself with israel iran is not going to align itself with israel if hamas went in and hamas literally went and killed civilians and iran is still defending palestine it doesn't matter if israel goes in and start israel right now is bombing gaza and the west will still defend israel and Eastern nations will still defend the Palestinians in Gaza.

My concern is, I don't think you can defend against drone swarms and nuclear weapons. You can kind of blow them up in the sky, but it's one of those things where, like, all the attackers are the ones that are going to win. Like, the defenders are all going to get destroyed. Maybe not, maybe it's hyperbolic, but it's like a war where, like, only offense, offense, offense, offense.

So, I just don't want to... I was just going to say that I think the reason that Netanyahu was very careful to sort of insist that this is a declaration of war is because when you declare war, you remove the old logic of proportionality. The logic of proportionality is your tribe came over to my tribe and killed 10 people, so I'm only allowed now to come to your tribe and kill 10 people.

I can't come and kill 100 people because that's disproportionate to what you did, right? But think of the Pearl Harbor example. The Japanese attack us in Pearl Harbor. We didn't say, okay, well, there were 8,000 people killed at Pearl Harbor. We're going to make sure we kill 8,000, but no more than 8,000 Japanese. We were like, okay, you did this. It's an act of war. and now all bets are off. That's kind of what the Israelis are saying. Let's read this one from TakeVideo. He says, Tim plays Civilization peacefully on Prince difficulty, but on Immortal or Deity, or

in PvP, you would lose without violence. I don't know if this reflects real life. Incorrect, but close. I play on King difficulty. Whenever I play games like Even Baldur's Gate, I always just play the middle. And so I actually, I was like Prince difficulty. It's been a long time since I played Civ 2.

But no, like King was the middle of the road, like normalized one. I'm pretty sure. And then the rest were like easy to hard. But Immortal or Deity, I think you are correct. But those are like overly aggressive where they give military bonuses to the AI and stuff like that. PvP you're correct about but when i play civilization i didn't say that i was just peacefully minding my own business for the most part what i said was i would focus on developing my country's technology to become superior and then anyone who came at me would get stamped out or crushed

immediately but i was i was never the aggressor it was always like i'm minding my own business leave me at the f alone and then as soon as i tried to attack i just and then one thing i really loved doing was if i was playing peacefully minding my own business and civilization too and then for some reason just like an opposing nation decided to just come down on me i would just cheat give myself one nuke and then blow up one of their cities and be like back to minding my own business. I am God here. Don't you come at me, France. I have found that on the hardest difficulty, you have to go to war in that game. Often.

Yeah. Well, you don't get a choice. I mean, it's an amazing video game. When you have a nation and another country says, in the more modern, the later civils, I think what, Civ 6? Yeah. I think I played 5. I don't know if I played 6.

But if you have uranium in your country, and oil, and other countries don't, you have nukes and they don't. They are going to send a ground invasion to try and take that uranium from you. You're at war whether you want to be or not. Alright, where are we at? Zyphos says the 2003 East Coast power outage

was an accident from a fighter jet equipped with a weapon to shut down grids. All our enemies know this. Is that true? I never heard that. That's a new one. Yeah. Never heard that one before.

Let's read some more then. I don't know if somebody. Weston Kramer says the people who voted for these policies in the cities are like the peasant in Monty Python. Help, help. I'm being oppressed. It was repressed. Help, help. I'm being repressed.

That was really, really funny. That was one of the best scenes ever they're like he's like where's your king and they're like we don't have a king yeah we're anarcho-communist syndicalist anarcho-syndicalist commune or something like that they're so ahead of their time you don't even realize it's like what years later no no he's like i am your king and they're like i don't remember voting for you yes he's like we don't vote for a king the lady in the lake gave me a sword and declared that I King Arthur and it's like

a lady what do you say like a woman distributing swords is no basis for a system of governance yeah it's so good my favorite was

name one thing that the Romans gave us there's a long pause Rhodes Rhodes apart from Rhodes name one thing that the Romans gave us. There's a long pause. Roads. Apart from roads, name one thing that the Romans gave us. Laws. Apart from roads and laws.

It's really amazing how great they were and where they are today. South Park is doing a special where they race and gender swapped the main characters. Yeah, it's hilarious. Cartman's a black woman now. Yeah, it's hilarious. Cartman's a black woman now. Yeah, it's good. Isn't that supposed to be released? I haven't actually seen it. My sister sent me today.

Oh, it's out? Well, she sent me the preview. Oh, okay, that's what I've seen. I'm not sure when it's coming. A watery tart was the witch. Apparently the woman that gave him the sword was a watery tart. That was the line you were looking for in Monty Python. All right.

Angry Marsupial says, At Gettysburg, breach loaders only figured into the first day day when buford's cavalry held off a 3x force due to fire superiority infantry was issued muzzle loaders on both sides tactics and numbers one yes that is true um i watch you go to gettysburg it's amazing gettysburg is like 40 minutes away from here and it is just one of not only is there awesome food there, but there's tons of haunted houses. Oh, nice. Great chocolate, chocolateries or whatever. Gettysburg is a lot of fun. Yeah.

You know, go there and learn your history. And we went to like a couple little like antique stores and they have real cannonballs. Oh, damn. And they have a whole bunch

of antique weapons. Wow. I mean, the old quarters where doctors would amputate legs and the blood was seeping through the floors.

I mean, it is very haunting and brings the reality of Gettysburg. It's amazing. I think the crazy thing is that they had repeaters. amputate legs and the blood was seeping through the floors i mean it is very haunting and and brings the reality of gettysburg it's amazing i think the crazy thing is that they had repeaters during the civil war but they weren't widespread but man could you imagine being being commissioned a repeater it's like i think they loaded through them through the uh um through the stock because i went to the antique store and they had a bunch and they like the back opens and you push them in the back and then and then you lever action yeah man what were those uh what was it uh henry what was the company that did that the repeater was i think i want to say colt but no

was it that's a that's a revolver yeah look at that first repeating rifle so yeah yeah i think it's repeating spencer it was a spencer repeating rifle was that that what it was? Yeah. Yeah, I think it's repeating rifle. Spencer? It was Spencer. Spencer repeating rifle? Was that the first one? No, Winchester? Winchester repeater. Winchester, yeah. How did I miss that? I was going to say that, but I was like... Yeah, true, true.

Yeah, I have a repeater. He made improvements to the Henry rifle. Oh, okay. Right, that's... Oh, right. Okay, was it the Henry repeater? I suppose so. I'm not sure how far back it goes.

I think the improvement Winchester made was the little lever action with the handle like this. Lever action? What was the Henry then? I... Beats me, man. You know what? I really don sure how far back it goes. I think the improvement Winchester made was the little lever action with the handle like this. Lever action? What was the Henry then? I, beats me, man. You know what? I really don't like the tube mags. I like the side load where you push them in. There's like a spring loaded little latch and you push them in the side.

Right, right, right. Because the tube mag, it's, you can't, so I got a 30-30 repeater and it's like, you can't get the, you can't get to close. Super annoying. But anyway, we'll grab a couple more super chats all right what do we have brett ain't dead says terminator epic 2001 a space odyssey life-changing everyone should watch and contemplate man's origins and future truly ahead of its time very cool seriously says science fiction becomes science fact and it's probably gonna be create more like

crazier than we even realize jeff sumner says big fan of timcast love you guys ian i gotta say you pray through jesus to god the only way to the father is through the song read the bible start with the gospel of john it was written for the new believers and those who don't know any way love you brother oh thanks man i gotta say watching The Passion was fascinating because I never watched it until a few months ago. And the politics of the story is what I found truly fascinating. I mean, for a lot of people, I'm sure it's like divine inspiration.

You're watching the story of the Christ, but watching the politics of Rome and the Jewish leaders and the followers of Christ, it's a fascinating political story. Yeah. Have you seen it? You should watch it the the riveting thing about this is also the historicity if you um only in the last few years

has there now been archaeological evidence medallion evidence stones validating not only the hebrew scriptures but the christian scriptures so for example pontius pilate until about a few years ago pontius pilate was Until about a few years ago, Pontius Pilate was not believed to be a historical person. There was no existing record of anyone named Pontius Pilate in any of the annals of histories that have come down. And then they dig up a stone, and right on there it says, Pontius Pilate.

The exact words. And people are like, whoa. And right now in Israel, they're digging up a large pool called the Pool of Siloam. Now, this is the pool where the Jews bathed ritually before walking to the temple. So think about it. This large pool, which is an Olympic-sized swimming pool, basically, Jesus of Nazareth would have had to have bathed in that pool because we know that he went to the temple and walked that exact road. And this is not, again, a matter of probability.

They debate whether the crucifixion occurred over here, did it occur over there. All right. But there's certain facts that are coming out to light that are now absolutely indisputable. Right. And it's a very eerie experience to be in Jerusalem right now. Wow. All right, everybody. If you haven't already, please smash that like button

and subscribe to this channel. Become a member at timcast.com because our members on the member discord, it's basically, for those that aren't familiar, it's like a chat server. You download the app,

you sign in. They're going to be hosting their own after show. They're going to be hanging out. They do pre-shows, they do after shows. So if you want to keep the conversation going

and hang out with like-minded individuals, become a member at timcast.com and the instructions are all there for how you get into the Discord. Really awesome. You can follow the show at timcast.irl. You can follow me personally at timcast. Dinesh, do you want to shout anything out? I'd like to just do another plug for the movie, policestatefilm.net. Go to the theater if you can, October 23rd to 25th. And really fun to see it with like-minded people, just like you were just saying. Or if you want to watch at home,

Friday, October 27th is the virtual premiere, full screening of the film, live Q&A with Dan Bongino and me to follow, and all for the price of a movie ticket. But the one-stop shop to get tickets, you can't get them from Fandango. Go to policestatefilm.net, buy your tickets there.

Carter Banks. We've got a lot of music stuff stuff coming up today i put some finishing touches on a secret song we will have stuff on um friday's coming soon um but yeah follow tim cast songs on youtube at tim cast songs trash house records if you want to follow me personally you can uh follow me at carter banks on twitter and Carter Banks on Twitter and Carter Banks for L on Instagram. I'm Ian Crossland. You guys follow me anywhere on the Internet at Ian Crossland. I think I'm going to go on the discord later.

So I'm going to meet up with everybody behind the scenes. Let's get down. Let's talk probably about 1030. Raymond G. Stanley, I see you out there. I'll connect with you later and then I'll be jumping in about 1030 and I'll probably only be on for a half hour. I got to get up early which means if if you want to yell at ian or praise him become a member at timcast.com the instructions for the discord are there and you'll be hanging out see you soon yeah uh carter i'm excited to

hear the music i'm also really excited to do the music in general on fridays it's going to be sweet you guys are going to like it we did all the cameras and the mics and stuff ready to go just need to wait for the right time basically well i Well, I mean, maybe even next week. The issue is right now, it's like, we want to do it right, so I want to have a good kickoff. Right, of course. And get an actual group to do an acoustic set. Right. And then we'll figure it out.

But I don't think it'll be every weekend. It'll be when possible. Yeah, exactly. Because it's not just going to be me or Ian just jamming. But we want to get like real musicians and artists like not that we're not but we're just not practiced we'll practice musicians i mean we want to make we want to make it a show you want it to be like hey we have an acoustic performance from insert band not just oh tim and ian are jamming again it's getting to the point

where we could just go live anytime if it's that's awesome and then what we're gonna do is we're gonna put the clips from irl of the music performances on the timcast music channel yeah that'll be sweet so it'll all be there uh yeah but i'm serge.com pleasure meeting you didn't ash my mom's big fan and uh i will see you guys on the next one we will see you all monday thanks for hanging out you