Timcast IRL - Timcast IRL #897 Biden REJECTS Border Meeting As TERRORIST RELEASED By CBP w/ Dave DeCamp

Episode Date: November 4, 2023

Tim, Ian, Phil, & Serge join Dave DeCamp to discuss the Biden admitting letting illegal immigrants into the US on purpose, the US continuing to mass print money, & Joe Biden requesting another $450 million for Ukraine. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

so joe biden has rejected a meeting with democrats who are concerned over what's happening on the border at the same time we've got news that cbp apprehended an actual terrorist suspect and released him and now we've got information that ice has arrested the individual but it's kind of insane that that could even happen how How is it happening? Well, we've got a viral video where it appears it's being reported the federal government has deployed a backloader to lift up razor wire to allow illegal immigrants to flood into the southern border. And it's just insult to injury. So we'll talk a lot about that. Plus, we've got a bunch of other stories. It's Friday. We're chilling. We're just going to jump into it. Before we get started, I want to give a

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I'm the news editor of Antiwar.com. That's where you can find all my writing. I also host the daily podcast called Antiwar News with Dave DeCamp. It's basically a 25-minute rundown of all the top foreign policy stories of the day from our anti-war, non-interventionist perspective. I've got a YouTube channel. It's called Anti-War News. Go over there and subscribe.

And yeah, that's all my work. And all aid to Israel. All right, on. Figured I'd throw that in there. Throw it in there. Fair enough. I am Phil Labonte, a very failed singer of all that remains

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Are we going to jump into the news then? Yeah. All right. Here's the story. But it's not the story. The story is this. Biden declines meeting with Dem mayors demanding action on border crisis. Yeah, yeah, yeah, we get it. Biden

doesn't care. Let me give you the actual story. Here's a video. Texas installed a border fence to keep illegal migrants out. The federal government came in and lifted it to allow hundreds of illegal immigrants to pour in. They say it's not a crisis, it's an invasion. Can I get this video? There you go.

I am... This is crazy Can I get this video? There you go. I am... This is like... This is crazy. When did this happen? Let me turn that down. So, this is just... First, let me just say... What the...

This is clearly a video that appears to be Eagle Pass. I'm not entirely sure. We don't have the exact location or whatever confirmed. But you clearly have CBP trucks there and a backloader lifting up the razor wire, allowing, this is hundreds of people. What in the actual hell? That's crazy, right?

It is mind-blowing that the federal government is lifting up. Breaking the law. Lifting, like, not only do they not enforce the law, but they're breaking the law, aiding and abetting people that are breaking the law lifting like not only do they not enforce the law but they're breaking the law aiding and abetting people that are breaking the law i just want to mind i just want to stress this once again and you know we'll definitely tie in aid to israel with it all too the federal government hates you they are taking your money and your savings they are spending it on money to blow up kids

and they're spending it to facilitate criminal activities in this country when okay i just what would you call it if members of your own of individuals in your own government are giving resources and material aid to people who are not citizens in order for those people to break the laws of your country yeah i think that's treason it might be treason but they're not we're not at war with these people, so maybe not. But once again, to bundle all of it up together, just to make it, we'll make it anti-war too. Yeah, they're not taking care of us. If you're on the left, ask yourself why you don't have health care, okay?

If you're on the right, ask why it is your savings, your buying power continually goes down. It doesn't matter who you are or what you want. We can all agree the first step is these people need to be stopped. We need to get them out of government. We need law enforcement to stop people who are committing crimes. This is like, okay, treason, and I don't have the whole definition of the word treason, but it's the crime of attacking a state authority to which one owes allegiance. The federal government owes its allegiance to the state of Texas. It owes its allegiance

to every state in the union. And if it's violating Texas law to incite criminals, that's treasonous in my opinion. It's just a sentence of it. I don't know. Do we know anything more about this? When this happened or who exactly these people are? This has been ongoing.

The bigger story was that CBP was snipping the razor wire. Yeah, I remember that. And is a component of that okay so i'm assuming this video is probably recent considering this whole eagle pass thing has has been going on in the past several weeks but and then is there ever any explanation like because i remember seeing the snipping have they ever said anything yeah they claim that they're legally obligated to allow people into the country to apply for asylum or something like that. Wow. But here's the issue. If they're here, allowing them, the argument is once they cross the middle of the river, now that they're in America, they can't be deported.

And I'm just like, yeah, I don't buy it because I think it was Texas that put the buoy, a barrier in the water, and they came and said, you got to get that out now. It's like, well, hold on. When you put it in the water, you say, nope, it has to go. when you put it in the water you say nope it has to go when you put it on land you say oh well they're already here we is this confirmed that this is actually this is exactly what we think it is because i see a lot of fake videos these days fair point but i mean this is this is a cbb truck okay so this is uh auden b cabello citizen journalist document the document a migrant journey and he says eagle pass texas texas state versus federal battle continues

this time with forklifts is november 2nd last week the federal government is a forklift to raise wire and let 300 migrants in so i don't believe it's a fork up to view it's a i believe it's a backloader i could be wrong i remember i saw a video recently of people like putting cardboard and stuff under the barbed wire crawling and then they actually made them turn around and go back wow but that again that was just kind of a random video on twitter there's another there's another video where border patrol opens the gate at the bollard fencing and lets people in and they're just like and yeah i'm just like what this is why they got so mad when trump said build a wall they before before trump said we're gonna go ham on the border

these people were just coming across and what was happening is really interesting they weren't reporting apprehensions because there weren't any so when they say there were only 50 000 apprehensions with immigration was low no it was probably 550 000 illegal crossings and only 50 000 actually apprehended when donald trump started apprehending apprehension skyrocketed and they said see it's getting worse under trump now we can see what's going on you're right they're not being apprehended they're being welcomed in and we do know the biden administration was trafficking children i want to stress this statement of fact the biden administration statement of absolute fact trafficked migrant children have a nice day they're helping blow up children in gaza right now too that's fair and they're also blowing up children in many other countries yeah

let's let's we i'm not biased we can't be biased about one yeah i mean uh yemen secret war in yemen i mean that's been ongoing for a really long time but i guess uh who was just saying that the crisis has only just ended probably because the u.s is shifting all of its resources to in yemen yeah well there's been a ceasefire between the houthis who control most of north yemen and the saudis who U.S. was backing in that war, which is a very brutal war. There's been a ceasefire that held since April 2022 relatively well. There hasn't been any airstrikes. There's been fighting at the border. But now you have the Houthis fire missiles at Israel and things could get, you know, it puts the Saudis in a Dave spot. I don't care. OK, we should not be funding it. You're right. We should not be

involved. We shouldn't be, but we are. I know. That's the thing. That's why we do need to care. Because to the Houthis, because you might not care, not many people are aware, but if you read Houthi media, every attack, every bombing, every shelling is not just the Saudis doing it. They call it US-Saudi aggression. But I'll clarify. I'm kind of being a dick.

I, of course, care about war. I don't want it to happen, but I think the US makes it worse it worse you're right and then they're spending my money to make it worse and we had this we had an excellent amazing conversation this morning with steven marsh on the culture war and uh we were basically just like the the what steven said something like the u.s if you're going to go up against the u.s military you're in trouble and i'm like why they lose every war but they win the engagements that That's a horrifying thing to say. The U.S. can actually blow you up successfully, but they can't maintain control. It just falls apart. They don't have like war goals. I haven't seen like a legitimate war goal from the United

States government. They just want to keep the wars going. Since like World War II. I mean, there hasn't been a war, legal war in the United States since World War II. I had none of them declare Vietnam. I don't know what the purpose of that war was. They never really... Vietnam? Was it to get oil? They never really said. It was to contain communism because they were considered it the domino theory, which was as countries

fell to communism, more countries would fall to communism. But that's like a never-ending thing. So that's not really a war goal. It's ended, kind of. It was a proxy war with the Soviets. I think and i think they're trying to get malaysian oil and they just haven't never want to tell no no no they won't say that i wasn't happy and there's a lot of malaysian oil they tried it was there was world war one world war two and the cold war were all basically the same thing like obviously the very right so the so vietnam is a component of the u.s was at war with the soviets but we were all scared if we engage in direct

conflict nuclear weapons will fly so we did these we're we at war with the Soviets, but we were all scared if we engage in direct conflict, nuclear weapons will fly. So we did these, we're in war in Vietnam. And it was really Soviet and communist Chinese interests. Well, you see what they're doing in Ukraine. They use the same justification. The claim is that if Putin isn't stopped in Ukraine, he's going to roll into Eastern Europe. But it's just complete nonsense. Yeah, nonsense doesn't even come.

You got to do the narrator meme. He would not. Yeah, nonsense doesn't even cut it. You got to do the narrator meme. He would not. Yeah. He would not. But you know John Mearsheimer? He's the international relations professor, the realist guy. His lecture's, you know,

really popular on YouTube. He talks, he was always warning for years and years that the U.S. and the West was going to provoke a war in Ukraine. He always says that before 2014, the coup in Kiev and the civil war in the Donbass

and Russia annexing Crimea, he said before that, they never said Putin was trying to go into Europe. That was never a talking point. Then all of a sudden he became this guy who wanted to reinstate the Russian empire and roll into Poland. But it's just a nonsense talking point. Putin, I think three or four weeks ago, maybe a month and a half ago, was like, the collective West has lost its mind, or the West has lost its collective mind. It was just just a hilarious statement he's just looking at it like what in the hell he's he's right i don't think he's a good guy but he's right i'm it's so weird like oh dude we how do we strip this apart the the the bifurcation in american politics is is just so insane the uh the

there's no unification on on what this country should be doing there are people who are holding on to the last vestiges of the american constitutional republic there's a lot of them but then i think the average run-of-the-mill person doesn't know or care and then the left is actually actively seeking to subvert i think what we're seeing with the uh we talked about this this morning again uh you know steven mentioned that the united states was born of rebels and that rebel mentality exists within our documents our documents were written by rebels and we maintain that even to the civil war it all makes sense right and uh and and then phil brought up exactly what the government is doing i said they're trying to stamp out the rebel spirit,

which is a component of why they're like, get as many non-rebellious people to come into the United States, and that will start to erode our ideals. That's part of the thing, one of the things that I'm concerned about with, not just with CBDCs, like central bank digital currencies, but also with the idea of um basic minimum uh basic living universal basic ubi um when people are are on the government payroll and everyone is on the government payroll

that really is going to make people completely subservient now there's still people that are like i don't need the government i don't want to deal with the government. All I want to do is live my life in a way that is as independent as possible. If you have a CBDC, definitely, if you have some kind of UBI, there's going to be so many people that are just completely and totally dependent on the government, more so than now. Now, most more so than now now most people in urban areas most people in cities are on some level dependent on the government even if it's dependent on the government to make sure that they can get out of their driveway if it snows or you know to make sure that they have water and and and sewage plumbing and stuff like that um

but if you have people that are getting a ubi everything is going to be dependent on the government everything but you all of their income all that means that you're dependent on the government to eat but it realistically the moment a ubi goes into effect the economy spirals out of control and within a month there's no economy at all i i strongly agree yeah i just saw that uh we what do we print a trillion dollars in the last three months? A trillion. Yeah. It's crazy. I think it took 250 years to get to the first trillion.

And what was it? 80% is just specifically for Zelensky himself, personally. Just going in his body. Bought him a big mansion and a big boat. To feed his cat. To feed his cat. Biden's asking for $105 billion to fund the war in Ukraine, the war in Gaza, to give military aid to Taiwan so they could work on provoking another war in ukraine the war in gaza to give military aid to taiwan so they could work

on provoking another war in southeast asia which and there is some for border security to entice the republicans but right it's just an insane amount of money 105 billion dollars but i love this biden's like we need money for ukraine and israel and taiwan and the border yeah and the border and the republicans are like border border can i go to my country i'm looking at the border. Yeah. And the border. And the Republicans are like, border? Border? Can I go to my constituency to say border? Omnibus? I'm looking at the U.S. national debt clock. What were you going to say about Taiwan? I was going to say Taiwan's the crazy thing because I don't know how the U.S. maintains

a conflict with an island 90 miles off the coast of mainland China. Yeah. I don't know. What'd you do, man? I've heard rumors that there are, that the United States has special forces there. Yeah, we have a few hundred. They recently sent a few hundred troops to Taiwan. It's really the highest troop level since the U.S. and China normalized relations

because part of that deal was for the U.S. to pull its troops out and its mutual defense treaty with Taiwan and eventually stop selling them weapons. But the way they made that commitment was so vague that they'll tell you they can interpret it in 12 different ways but a big part of it was pulling the troops out and recently the u.s sent about 1 to 200 troops which doesn't sound like a lot but if you're china you know it's very provocative to china and you mentioned sustaining a war real quick make a point imagine if china stationed 100 troops in cuba yeah china has has actual police forces inside the united states a good point i mean like actual pull like they're not policing um regular americans but they're policing chinese americans what's the story with that because i've heard

there are actual like i think them calling it police stations is a pretty uh like dramatic way to describe it's a it's it's chinese law enforcement operating in the united states with offices to go to chinese citizens living in the united states and arrest them for crimes against china from what i understand that's not what it is again this is something i don't really know about but i thought it was okay i'm not a big fan of the fbi says a lot of right yeah from what i understand they have these kind of like uh offices where they that are you know on paper you know they they say that they're there to help Chinese Americans, like with certain documents and stuff. And then they might be going after dissidents through those offices, which a lot of countries do.

I mean, India might have killed a Sikh in Canada. You know, if that was China that killed a Uyghur in Canada, we would be talking about that every day. Yeah. But India kind of, you know, the U.S is looking at india as this new partner in containing china this is from new york new york post says that they've opened four police stations chinese in north america three of them are in toronto one's in new york city but you i i know they do what does that mean a lot station to target chinese americans for it's knows? So maybe one thing on paper and another thing. But I want to stress this.

I think it's fair to say that there's definitely a very warped perspective on what China is like for Americans. Yeah. And I think we often get people saying,

like, get on, you know, Laowai or Serpentza to come on and talk about China. You go to a Chinese city and you're going to go to pizza and you're going to have a slice of pizza. Like, these things exist.

There's competing interest and power at play and there's no saints. There's competing interest and power at play and there's no saints. There's no saints and there's no saviors. I've been to Shanghai. It was awesome. Did you get the stuffed crust with the hot dog in it? No. See, that's what I'm talking about. You go to China and this is what concerns me.

I think it's pizza and they will stuff your crust with anything, including hot dogs. I get the vibe that they're way more allied and aligned with the united states than like the iranians like the chinese are severely oligarchic businessmen they don't want conflict or war destruction they want to improve improve improve and they're willing to they want to buy us out if anything that you are correct the chinese try to cut deals with american politicians to gain power they want to buy land they want to use soft power to expand, whereas Iran, very different.

And I'm using Iran as an example, but the people that have been heavily radicalized in the Middle East for all these bombings and things. said it's all soft power but they still want to be able to influence and they want to be you know they're using soft power but it is to have the united states have policies that benefit china whether they be indirectly or directly benefiting china you know but um but china i mean the really scary thing about taiwan so you mentioned sustaining a war right off china's coast if you look at the think tanks have been putting out these war games and about what a battle would be like the first battle over Taiwan, like the first few weeks, and they never consider nuclear escalation. So this is the really scary part about China is that our Pentagon, our military leaders, you hear them say they're openly planning for a direct war with China. They're saying they're trying to deter war, but if it happens, they're going to

take them head on. They have nukes. But anyway, with the war games, again, they don't take into account nuclear escalation. But besides that, in the first few weeks, a naval battle over Taiwan, thousands and thousands of American sailors will be killed. Scott Horton recently just interviewed Lyle Goldstein. He worked at the Naval War College for 20 years. He speaks Chinese. He's an expert on this. He was saying he thinks tens of thousands american american sailors would be killed in the first few weeks well there was a we talked about this i think the other day that china does a war game and in every single scenario a u.s carrier gets sunk yeah if you have boats on the surface it's really the same result because we got it we got it we got to do like a like a war game like a dnd style war game that'd be fun

that'd be really cool. Oh, we talked about doing this. We should do two. We should do World War III and Civil War and do like a two-hour long D&D session style thing. Yeah, there was a- That does sound fun. These boats. We should bring you and Scott and you guys can be- We'll be like, no, guys.

No, you'll be the neocons. Everybody get along, man. No, you're going to role play as the neocons. Okay, yeah, that sounds fun. I think you know them well enough and you're going to be like, war! Scott's going to be like, I'm John Bolton. There's like a World War III RPG, like 2020 or something, 2030. I don't know.

I used to play it in the 90s, or we had the book. But see, boats. Boats are so vulnerable to hypersonic missiles now, especially boats that are close to the Chinese land. They're sitting targets. And that's what China's been preparing for, is a war right there. Someone just sent me an email or tweeted at me. There's an injunction.

The state of Texas got an injunction on the federal government for what they were doing. It says the date on it is one second filed 102723. So that this this they said was from last week. It's possible that this video is from before yeah yeah yeah this is probably what caused the injunction caused them to get the to seek the injunction so apparently to the state of texas the state of texas got an injunction on the federal government to get them to stop basically knocking down the borders so that way illegal immigrants can come into the country maybe not tre, but they're definitely attacking state authority by going into Texas and messing them up.

It's not that. They're aiding and abetting people who are not citizens who are committing crimes against our nation. Because technically the feds are supposed to take care of the border. Not the state of Texas. Because it's an international border. So the federal government has jurisdiction and they're totally abdicating

their authority. Not only abdicating their their authority not only add what do you say abdicating it but also violating it well yeah that's what they're not doing their job and they're making it worse too it's not that they're just not there it's that they're in there cutting the barbed wires and letting people in it's crazy my apologies i pulled up the u.s national debt clock a little while ago if you haven't been to usdebtclock.org, pull it up in a different tab. We're printing $100,000 every three seconds of debt. $100,000 every three seconds.

It's probably going to be... That's a million dollars every 30 seconds. $2 million a minute. Probably going to be a quintillion dollars in our lifetime. I love how Thomas Massey wears the pin. Yeah, it actively calculates the national debt. He just gave one to Ron Paul. It made me very happy. I love that guy, Thomas Massey. But people don't understand what this means because they're like, what does that mean? Paul. It made me very happy. I love that guy. Thomas Massey. Yeah, one of the best. But people don't

understand what this means because they're like, what does that mean? I don't know anything about that. Like, I have my money. It means that right now, you want to buy a house, you're not going to be able to. It means that your milk that you buy today is going to cost twice as much tomorrow. That's if nothing changes, if we're on this track forever. We can alter

our gross domestic production capacity by pivoting to hydrogen fuel i actually talked with james tour today look at this currents okay so the current u.s uh money supply is 20.6 trillion u.s treasury dollars is 1.5 trillion and the currency and credit derivatives is 634 trillion wait no no is that yeah trillion dollars damn six hundred trillion uh yeah trillion well when you hear numbers like that it's just like what it you know it's like what does that even mean the only the only time that anyone has ever used those numbers outside of the national debt is in like physics when you're talking about the numbers of like particles in the universe you know it's like

it takes that kind of like that something that massive otherwise these numbers are completely and totally impractical the human mind can't even comprehend it and it's the rate of change that's also where it becomes highly holy you guys ready for this the u. The U.S. federal debt to GDP ratio was 124.43%. Wow. In 1980, it was 34. Remember 1980? I wasn't alive. I remember vaguely.

We all know about the Jimmy Carter era. John Lennon. John Lennon died in December of 1980. My mother died on the bed. What did you say it was in 1980? The 34.7. Oh, okay. And I believe 80 was Carterter right yeah well was that

that's when he was he was getting out yeah reagan was elected in in 80 right or 79 and then was put in office in the 80 or something 80 or something like that or it's 881 i think maybe yeah and you know i can't verify that this website's actually legit either i never have been able to verify the debt yeah this is all public data yeah yeah and then i remember it was a big deal because one day it put like jesus christ is lord on the on the front page you need to like exit out to see and people people were like wow like conservatives were all like whoa holy crap because this is like a big website something like that happened it was recently i think look at this the interest on the debt 676 billion dollars that's not even that much is that a lot of money i thought it was gonna be

interest more than that the interest on the debt is going up that's i've always considered no i think this is specifically for um the interest of the debt is for medicare social security and defense wow but the issue is that's that's not the debt that's the interest on top it's going up we're not paying that down as ian often brings up if the interest keeps going up you can't pay back more interest by taking another loan to pay back you get more interest yep we need to increase the value of our dollar is what we need to do gold standard yeah or i'm big into hydrogen fuel and because if we can start producing things that are value or and graphene because if we can start producing things that we can sell around the world graphene's like sixty thousand dollars a ton and they are just churning

it out at rice university right now you know what's what is that stuff that like blue crab blood or whatever you know i'm talking about blue crude no is that what they call it it's horseshoe crab like the most expensive material in the world or something i'm from i'm from long island and we just had the every once in a while some random like horseshoe crab genocide would happen or something and they just be all over the beach and i always hear that it's worth their it's like worth money their blood and i'm like man i should have been collecting their blood when i was a kid those are like the blue blue horseshoe crabs or whatever and they like hook them all up to tubes and extract blood slowly and it's like i don't know what the deal is but i've

seen that it's antibacterial It's valued in the medical industry. But we need like, when you talk about a dollar, like I'm a libertarian, so we're always talking about the gold standard, but we could have a different commodity-based dollar. There are different things that can back the dollar. Hey, we can go to 2027. We can go to the future.

Based on all these projections, where we'll be. Oh, give it to me. Oh my God. I love this. This is four years from now. Four years from now, years from now the average family is going to have a hundred thousand dollars in their savings that is really bad well that is not good it says today that the average family has eleven thousand yep and it says it's going to

be 10x in four years and if the uh the debt to gdp ratio goes from 124 124 to 150 that means the buying that just a general correlation is not perfect but that 10x increase in how much money you have correlates with like a 12 12 times decrease in your buying power spend your dollars get rid of them buy even like i know that like there's there's people that that sounds like financial advice phil oh yeah well i'm not giving you any financial advice i like to spend dollars and get things that are valuable. I know that whether it be Bitcoin or gold or silver or ammo or whatever, land is great. I think that I'm going to be buying things that are going to retain value or go up in value.

I'm probably not going to be hanging on to very much cash. I like to invest in machines that I can use to increase my income, my profitability, things like that. A really good camera, a really good microphone

if you use it. I mean, look, I'm not... Assets per citizen, 1.2 million. I ain't telling you what to do, but electronics don't hold their value. Yeah, but you use it

in the short term to increase productivity. Sure. I've turned into like a Civil War nerd since I moved to Virginia because there's like a million battlefields where i live and there's signs everywhere you know it's really cool like you'll you'll you'll go to a dock for like to launch a fishing boat and there's like a sign like this is where this general killed this

general i live near petersburg and it was like almost a year's long siege around the city so there's battles everywhere but it's got me kind of collecting like old antiques and that's actually a really good investment isn't like really old antiques they just uh like like a like a char really go up in value magic cards yeah i was thinking i used to have so many the crazy thing is i think i had probably like five first edition charizards when i was a kid and they were like worth a little bit i don't even know what happened when they're all gone but now they're worth like ten to twenty thousand dollars you checked your beanie babies ever get i have i have not i lost all my old magic cards that was brutal one day on a train i i was we're on a train and i was like i fell asleep and then they're like oh we're at our stop get up and

i get up and jump off the train and i go i turn back and the door closes and i'm like all my cards gone and that was probably that's probably a hundred grand worth of magic cards going now yeah they're really worth that much now yeah. But because the cards back then were not that valuable, but we're talking 25, 24 years. Now they're all extremely rare and out of print and more valuable. I wonder what an Alpha Black Lotus is. What? $1.2 million for an Alpha Black Lotus?

Was it like rated 10? Yeah, 9 yeah 9.5 yeah it's the most valuable magic card 1.2 million that thing was like 60 yeah but you're probably looking like a special auction years ago because maybe uh a rated 8 is 140 grand okay that's crazy wow one million dollars for a freaking piece of cardboard it was 700 when i was a kid and we were like whoa 700 that's crazy man wow who knows it's gonna be worth money you know what i'm saying that's the thing do you remember the beanie babies everybody was like oh these are gonna be worth something one day but i don't think they ever were nope that was that was a tulip thing that was a dutch tulip fiasco but phil I think a cool thing for you to like spend money on and collect,

you could get antique like firearms from like the 1800s. Yeah. And they look awesome and you can mount them on your wall and they just grow in value. Oh, wow. That's an actual Union Civil War rifled musket. Yeah, that's awesome. I have a breech loader. I forget the name of it.

That's what I need. Breech loader, breech loading rifle from the Civil War. I have a pin fire revolver, which is kind of a rare type. Pin fire, like it had a little pin that stuck out of it and the hammer would hit the pin

and that's what would fire the shell. Oh, wow. Yeah, they didn't really, they weren't around for long, but Calvary officers had them on the Union and Confederate side. So it's pretty cool. It's like I got,

I bought it for like 800 bucks a few years ago and it's just, they used you know the longer you hold on to it the more valuable i think i think the revolvers back then were uh the the more ubiquitous was the percussion cap and that's so like little metal primer goes in the back of you know each chamber and then it hits the primer which ignites the the musket ball or whatever whatever they were using yeah the bullet at the time i wish wish I could give a... We've actually got some actual Civil War bullets because we have a Civil War bayonet somewhere.

Oh, yeah? Yeah, we found it on the property. Yeah. And it's all rusted and, you know, and we're just like, oh, whatever. They're all over the place. Yeah. It's super cool.

I've been metal detected on my property because there's a battle. My... I'm wondering what relics people will find from the next Civil War. So they're going to find, you know, magic cards, iPhone 15.

And, uh, my, uh, my buddy back in, in New Hampshire, he, he does a lot of metal detecting and he's trying to get into,

uh, off limit places because, you know, new England's been around a long time. So people have done a lot of hunting and stuff. So he's trying to find places where he's not allowed that he can sneak into i think i won't blow him up i'm kind of like yeah if we sit around and just kind of complain for the next six months it could be the end of the world but if we really pioneer new tech like hydrogen tech and really push it really push it we could probably come out of this

on top it depends so if what we're facing right now is actually a legitimate threat of world war three the population decrease from war and from the fact that people don't have kids means what you're hoping for is less likely to occur technological expansion typically requires population expansion like the the how many people does it take to make one monitor screen it's probably like 500 different specialties to make one computer monitor but because of the international economy and how everything operates someone gets cobalt here and someone gets you know quartz here and someone mines them the oil or drills for the oil over here and then they all go on these different

marketplaces i think a really good example is probably just like pad thai or something. Some like ridiculous dish that has a spice from Asia and a vegetable from Mexico. And you're like this, this unnatural demonic food would never exist were it not for our big oil tankers. You know, our big cargo ships around the oceans to bring all these ingredients together. If the population declines too much you lose specialties and then you're gonna have a guy who's gonna be like look man we need someone who can extract hydrogen but we don't have that anymore so i can work on that but then we don't have a guy who handles the plastics we don't have a guy who handles the the electronics and you're worried about like the world world war three bringing the world to an end or is there something

else you're worried about is it world war that's got you nervous? Yeah. Yeah. Cause you know, for what I do, I basically read the new, you know, all day,

every day I sort through like hundreds of news articles and read about this, uh, you know, war in Ukraine, tensions with China and all that. And I don't like to be hyperbolic in my show and stuff, but I always say like, if we wake up tomorrow and Russia bombed a NATO base in Poland and we're actually

at war with Russia, or if a Chinese ship and an American ship shot at each other in the South China Sea and then it escalated and all of a sudden we're at war with China, don't be surprised. We shouldn't be surprised. Because at this day in the world that we're in right now, they're just pushing everybody all over the planet. It's really, it is very scary and again i don't try to be over hyperbolic but what they're doing they're leading us down a path of global war the likes of which you know we've

never seen especially with new technology and i i always i always want to stress too because especially when we had uh you know i'll shout out again culture war podcast you did become slash timcast uh Stephen Marsh and I were talking before the show started, because he was, I showed him the Civil War rifle, and he was like, what was the first battle? And I was like, Bull Run, Manassas. And he was like, right, right, and they didn't even think, it wasn't

even a battle, it was like a street fight, like nobody knew what was going on, and I'm like, yes. What we consider to be the first battle, I mean, obviously Fort Sumter is the start of it, but that wasn't even a battle. It was like only one guy died and it was an accident. I don't think anybody died. One guy.

It was an accident? It was one death. It was accidental. It was like, I can't remember exactly what happened. But then you had the first battle of Bull Run and no one thought the fight was actually going to happen. And at the time when it did happen, nobody called it the Civil War. Nobody called it the war in the States. It was not a war at all.

Now we look back and say it was. Both sides thought it would be over so quick. So it's possible that in 100 years, they say World War III started December of 2022. Yeah. It's possible they say it started with the Russian invasion of Ukraine. I tend to think of it as 9-11, personally. The U.S. was just stomping on everyone's neck for the first 18 years of it yeah but bro the u.s has been doing that for a lot longer than but 9-11 changed like lockdown police state crap you know patriot act people were getting yeah take your

shoes off at the airport kind of crap looking over your shoulder afraid of muslims like all i'll tell you so just an anecdote about when I went to China, I remember getting in or I was getting on the plane to fly. I forget where we were flying next. But I was all nervous going through their security. I was like, I'm going to have to take my shoes off. It's China. They're going to really go crazy and pat me down. And I started like taking my belt off.

And they're just like, come on, come on through. And they just like hit me with the wand. And I was like, oh, wow. And then when we got back into the US, my wife bought like some hand cream in Australia. they put it in like a special bag and they were like you can't you know they like shook her down and like ripped apart all her stuff and said she couldn't bring it in or if she wanted to she had to like mail it to it was crazy I'm like this is just the the remnants of of 9-11 of what they did to us after that. It hasn't gone away. I mean, I don't know if it's the remnants of 9-11 there.

The thing that we're experiencing is not actually about stopping terrorism. Yeah. It's the, it's the fact that once you start a government program, they never go away. It's the infrastructure for the TSA that was designed for, you know, it designed initially to stop terrorism

never stopped a thing it's an addiction yeah so what happens is the u.s government says we're going to spend 100 million dollars on war they invest in all these companies the companies build up a big employee base they hire a bunch of people next year comes around and that company goes to congress and says are you are you going to give us that same deal again go well i don't think we need it there's no war and they go listen we employ 500 people in your district and if we don't have this contract we're firing them and we're going to tell them it's because of you no no no no no you got my vote you got my vote yeah yep so what we got to do is make hit music i'm talking like marvin gaye i've been really. We need to make babies. And we need to inspire people to have sex.

Yeah, we got to make. And have children. And that's music. That's like, because if we have kids, it's not enough. You need to mass produce love. And we need to make hydrogen fuel and graphene to get out of this steel hellhole that we're in. And start making lightweight superconductors locally really fast and cheaply. You're like a duck not on a bone. I got to stop right here. Ian is completely correct on graphene. weight superconductors locally really fast and cheaply i i you know i'm gonna i'm gonna bone i

gotta stop right here ian is completely correct on graphene because steel was such a large component of our industry of our jobs of our economy uh the steelers pittsburgh how much steel is still being made in the u.s i do not believe very much but uh either way if we had an industrial revolution on par with uh you know what it was in the past and we bring back a bunch of jobs you could have manufacturing plants pop up all over the place it could revitalize uh dying towns it could create new cities and it's it's going to have to be you know we we we often do joke about graphene and inns uh fervor but the reality is it is a bold move to reconfigure an economy towards building a material that can be used to expand and create a bunch of new products uh my favorite example a lot of the stuff we use

plastics for instance and i think paper towels a bunch of stuff, were invented for space. So, like, a lot of the things we use are invented by... Space race. Yeah, the space race. And then it's like, oh, this is convenient. People might want to use it. We can't just sit here and be like, let's just keep doing the same thing we've always done. We need to be like, guys, we should be...

We're doing... We have the Chips Act. We're making silicon chips in Arizona now, or we're starting to. That's great. That's a great idea. We should have a a some in some way it's going to require i believe most of the private sector it's which means which means a cultural shift where we get someone who goes i want to bring together a bunch of financial institutions and invest 100 billion dollars

in manufacturing plants for graphene we're going to employ 5 million people in the United States, and we're going to be exporting a building material and superconductor, which is going to be in major demand around the world. That will massively increase benefit the U.S. economy. Yeah, the Department of Defense is working with scientists at Rice University to pump this stuff out. Graphene, I think for every $4.50 of graphene, you get a kilogram of hydrogen fuel. And so they're actually getting, they're making money to produce. Before it was like it cost a dollar, it cost $3 to make a kilogram of hydrogen.

Now you're getting $4.50 to produce a kilogram of hydrogen. It's right in front of us. So I interviewed James Tour today, the leading chemist, one of the leading chemists on earth that's producing this stuff. It's an hour of us talking about it.

He gets really, we scratch the surface and do highly highly influential explanations go to my youtube channel and check it out it's the first video you'll see it's james tour this guy's phenomenal we're right on the precipice man now we just got to hold it together and inspire people i'm i'm kind of at a loss of what it is that you think graphene is going to do you can put it in um cement in in there's a lot of things and you watch the video for if you want to hear what a steel do well steel is used for all kinds of stuff it reinforces concrete and graphene does that you can put it in concrete it makes it lighter and more three times more durable and it's uh so we so we we use lithium-ion batteries for our. They're actually starting to create graphene polymer or lithium graphene batteries.

Graphene layer in the battery creates a, what's the word? A lattice. A unilateral charge. Okay. So it charges from every point all at once, which charges the battery much more quickly. So graphene, it conducts electricity? It's a superconductor. Okay, right.

So whereas a cell phone would take 15 minutes to charge in the past it'll now take five we now have we actually bought a bunch of these a year ago portable batteries when you plug your phone in it'll charge your phone from zero to full in 10 minutes uh or i'm sorry i'm sorry it can hold a full cell phone charge after only 10 or so minutes your phone whether or not you have the graphene polymer batteries or the graph, what is it? Graphene lithium. I don't know. I forgot what it's called.

But they're putting them in batteries. They think that this technology in electric car batteries means you'll pull your car up to the pump at the gas station, plug in the supercharger, and you'll literally watch the charge go up like a gas tank. Wow. They used to, we were like, how do we make this stuff graphene for the last 20 years? How do we make a chemical vapor deposition? They're trying to deposit carbon dioxide onto copper

and get it and you get these strips. They figured out what's called flash jewel graphene production. You hit it with electrical current, any carbon on earth. You can get all these different plastics. They used to have to recycle them and pull them apart because different plastics recycle differently.

Any carbon, all the plastic together, human feces feces plants matter any carbon and you hit it with electricity and you turn it into graphene and then this guy i'm actually going to be uh uh interviewing the inventor dewey long so so but let's bring it back to the the debt this country my point is i will i will go along with eon graphene for one reason. We need a manufacturing base. We need the American people working on raw materials that we can use to build infrastructure. Steel, for a long time. Not just steel. There's a lot of stuff we did in the United States.

We should drill, baby, drill. We should invade Canada. I'm sorry. Well, we should invade. I meant Alaska. But Canada, yes, too. I mean, I'm only half kidding. But no, we should invade and occupy Alaska. We should not waste... Here's what I think. When we go and kidding. But no, we should invade and occupy Alaska. We should not waste. Here's what I think. When we go and blow up people overseas, what we are doing is we are creating a global economy as hollow as a fiat dollar.

We provide you nothing other than don't screw with us. And these other countries say your offers are hollow. We only need protection from you. If the U.S. said, okay, we are going to bolster our manufacturing, develop new technologies, create a very strong, robust middle class that works in development of new technology and new infrastructure and new raw materials and metamaterials. We occupy

Alaska using our own land to rare earth minerals, for instance, stop doing dealings with China. We would then become that shining city on the hill and other nations would say, we got to be like them. We got to do business with them. Yeah. And if we're not don't have a global empire, you know, we should be able to do those things without having this empire. I actually mentioned the CHIPS Act. So the problem with the CHIPS Act is that it's basically corporate subsidies, 50 billion dollars, which is adding to

the debt. You know, I think the answer isn't subsidizing this industry, which is something China does. I think we should resort to more capitalism and deregulate and give people tax incentives and to start factories. They're actually getting a lot of the Taiwanese companies to build factories here. The things that you're going to have to do to get people to start businesses like that is, I don't know the first thing about making chips or anything, but I mean, between unions, minimum wages, the amount of things that you have to deregulate and pull back on, it's just astronomical.

So whereas I understand and agree with your your your point i don't think that it's that bad to have the government try to do things to tax breaks or whatever to incentivize companies to start it but they're giving them billions of dollars check out uh you know 50 billion that's a lot of i'd rather i'm give it to to a company in the u.s than give it to israel to drop bombs they're giving it to a lot a lot of it's going to taiwanese companies to bring them here which i'm not sure that you know giving it to, a lot of it's going to Taiwanese companies to bring them here, which I'm not sure the percentages, but I know some of it.

Because the big reason why we have companies that are doing things overseas and stuff is because of labor laws and because of regulations here. Environmental regulations. Yeah. If you can roll those back, then you could get, then there's an incentive for companies to start.

But as long as the federal government has the the type of legislation that or regulation that that disincentivizes companies from starting i mean it's gotta start it somehow and i want to correct you one thing not really correct but i want to counter um i want a strong robust american empire that is achieved by being really cool producing great products being a great trade partner, not interfering in other countries' business and politics, but being so good at everything we do that they want to learn from us. We want other countries to say, let us know what you need. That new thing you guys are working on, your economy is really great. We all love America. We want to be like America. Your movies are awesome. We want to win through cultural means,

not bombing children yeah culture and science those are my two favorites we the u.s empire uses force in a lot of different ways you know if countries like elect a government that the u.s doesn't like they start putting economic sanctions on them you know purposely to destroy their economy yes yes but let's be fair the u.s also removes that government by force and then puts in a sock puppet government. Sometimes, sometimes. But other times they just sanction the hell out of them. Yeah. And, you know, that's that's part of the reason why, you know, the U.S. on the global stage right now, if you're like a developing country and you see the way the U.S. operates, especially now,

all for the past year and a half, you had Blinken, Biden talking about, you know, lecturing Russia on the war in Ukraineraine talking about this rules-based order and now we see them fully backing israel as they're just blowing up kids and everybody can see it for themselves but it's like the hypocrisy is is very obvious to other countries but the the funny thing about russia and ukraine is russia is having a territorial territorial dispute with a neighboring country the united states flew to the other side of the planet to invade iraq and afghanistan it's true and why was iraq invaded well i guess it was wmds but 9-11 was kind of the pretext why was afghanistan invaded well because the taliban were uh were harboring assam bin laden so we we had to go and build a nation there and then russia invades a

neighboring country over a border dispute we're like whoa whoa hey there wait a minute condoleezza rice like a few days after sorry if i got a little worked up there, Ian, you looked a little startled. I'm so into this. Condoleezza Rice, a few days after Russia invaded, was on TV and was like, I forget exactly what she said, but Condoleezza Rice of the George W. Bush administration said, a country cannot invade another sovereign nation or something like that. And did you see do you remember george w bush's little uh freudian slip or whatever it was he was giving a speech and he

was like one man's decision to invade uh iraq uh i mean ukraine and then he kind of laughed and he was like iraq too that was a moment man i watched that video like a hundred times because this country is full of shit it's definitely somewhere in his brain but yeah the founding fathers i think if they saw what was going on they'd be like they'd be stacking bodies they'd be like no no no hold on where your business it's like your grandfather being like son i gifted you this really nice car and you totaled it you know what i mean yeah yeah no the found i want to stress this point too the founding fathers notoriously just petitioned over and over again and it i i think it's fair to say it was not the americans who started the

revolutionary war it was the british imposing uh tyranny like if we go straight to lexington and concord they said hand over your guns or else. The Americans, the founding fathers were like, I'm going to write a strongly worded letter to the king. And the king's like, screw off. I'll write another letter to the king. And it was a year and a month after Lexington and Concord, they signed the Declaration of Independence. So it's not like the Americans were like, it's time to stack bodies. They were like, please, please. We're just trying to have some representation here.

Fair enough. But, you know, Washington did cross the Delaware and kill everybody in their sleep. So, but what I'm trying to. But that's in the war. My point is later on. We America may be rebels. But when we started, we were not the dudes who decided to go and kill other people. We were the dudes who, who honorably and reasonably said, listen, what you're doing is not working.

And we are telling you now this has to change. And if you don't listen to us, the change will come either way. And then it was the crown that was like, we're going to come and put you down. And then we said, we didn't start it. You did.

They came to, they came to Lexington Concord and they said, we are going to come at you. It was not Americans who went to England to, to, to fight fight it was the crown sending regulars to to the colonies saying we are going to impose our will from overseas on you and brought the guns and then demanded of of the americans i think that the the the founders of this country were calm rational reasonable people who understood war was bad they did not want foreign entanglements i love reading about the the barbary wars and thomas jefferson and like he's like we don't want to be involved in any of this stuff why are you attacking us what are the barbary wars this

is cool pirates north africa and jefferson and other founding fathers adams they're all basically just saying like look man we're just selling stuff we have no problem with any of you why don't you leave us alone and they're like screw you we do what we want they said to the it was they said to the to the in england they said to the the united states representative they said the quran gives us the the approval and authorization to kill you and take your stuff because you are infidels and so thomas jefferson created the united Marine Corps. And that was the risk. The response was send in the Marines. So the Marines have been fighting for the country for as long as there has been a country.

This is the Barbary Wars series of two wars fought by the United States, Sweden, and the King of Sicily against the Barbary States, Tunis, Algiers, and Tripoli. Yeah. So you made a point. The United States Marine Corps, the Marine Corps hymn, there's the line that says, to the shores of Tripoli. Yep.

That's what it's referencing. Yep. From the halls of Montezuma to the shores of Tripoli, the Marine Corps fought for the United States. That's a good song. It's all right.

I like it. I remember you made the point before we started recording that like you favor, you know, the U.S. could have a strong Navy and kind of police the waters a bit and work with their trading partners to counter piracy. And I think that is a completely legitimate, you know, foreign policy to have just to have a Navy and fight

piracy with your trading partners. But we're just so far from that. We're, you know, meddling in every country around the world. You know, we're not anything close to that. A lot of people like to point to the Barbary Wars as an example of how all the founding fathers actually were not non-interventionists, but they were responding to their property being attacked. So it is completely different. Protecting Americans, yeah.

Yeah, and so this is a completely different analogy from what you were talking about, about how the British brought the war here. My point was the founding fathers attitude was like hey let's just mind our own business we're gonna do our thing here you leave us alone and now the mentality of the united states is we offer nothing but we take yeah so what i what i imagine the united states is doing with the with the current empire it's it's like a piece of bubble gum it's being blown up and blown up and blown up but we know

what happens eventually it gets thinner and thinner and thinner and then it pops there is nothing within this bubble it is hollow the united states cannot exist by simply going out with guns and saying we get to do this we can invade iraq and afghanistan but russia better not invade anybody else to be fair russia shouldn't invade ukraine But the U.S. has no leg, no more leg to stand on. What the U.S. should do, the U.S. should have some type of whatever you want to call it, empire in the sense that we are so good. Our laws are just. Our people are fat and happy.

I mean that figuratively. Our economy is great. And it's done through production. It's done through trade. It's done through technological development. And then what happens? Nobody's, people will be jealous because we're rich. That always happens.

But we're not blowing up kids. We're not amoral crackpots. Our money isn't being siphoned away from us. Our economy is expanding. Our families are happy. Our kids are happy. Our roads are taken care of. Our infrastructure is taken care of.

And other countries are like, we need to be like them. And look how well they're doing you want to spread democracy or whatever it is you call it that's how you do it you show up in a country with guns and then kill the elderly and then try to raise a new generation and you get afghanistan doesn't work i love it i think that the united states china and russia have a duty to protect the planet especially the arctic it's so important we and we're right on the brink one thing back to the british like bringing the war to america you know when we talk about ukraine i mean for so long putin and the russians were telling you know the u.s like you know stop doing what you're doing

stop it and you know in the weeks and months leading up to the invasion you know almost a year before they were you know massing troops and they submitted these security proposals. They wanted NATO to be rolled back. They wanted a guarantee that Ukraine would never join NATO. And the US just said no, basically, to their main demand of Ukraine joining NATO. A State Department official admitted this in an interview shortly after the Russian invasion. And I'm you know, and I'm not, you know, justifying Russia's invasion, but it is very clear how the U.S. and the West provoked this thing. And, you know, that's the thing. That's on Russia's border. We're, you know, we can't even, we try to put ourself in the other person's shoes. Could you imagine if Russia was funding a war in Canada, you know, like there was

a civil war there and then we intervened and Russia started sending them missiles and intelligence. There was just a report in the Washington Post that said the CIA in 2015 started building up Ukraine's intelligence services, the SBU and the GUR, which is their military intelligence, to the tune of tens of millions of dollars. And they were basically saying that because of that support, Ukraine's able to kill people inside Russia. They pointed to the car bombing of Daria Dugina. Do you guys know who she is? Of course, the daughter of Alexander Dugin

that the Ukrainian SPU did. They basically pointed to that saying they're able to do this because of the CIA. And the statue that exploded. Do we know what that was about? Do you remember that? There was an internet personality in Russia. Someone brought in a small bus that was in st petersburg cafe exploded yeah

that's that was them too that that report said it was them and you know it closed with a very ominous quote from like a former cia official basically saying like what have we created here what if they start killing people in third countries you know what if you know like the blowback from this ukraine war could be very serious it's going to be like afghanistan it is it is going to be uh like like the mujahideen it is it is ukraine is now uh what was it the republicans pass a funding bill for israel but not ukraine they're saying it's gonna be dead in the senate joe biden here let me pull the story up. Post-millennial, Biden admin announces additional $425 million military package to Ukraine. So we have weaponized and armed Ukraine,

but Ukraine is losing. The appetite for funding this is on the decline, and we've got an election coming up. What do you think happens to the extreme, I'm not saying extremists. I'm saying like very fervent national militia groups in Ukraine who are funded and trained by U.S. forces when the U.S. pulls out and says you're on your own. You talk about the fear of bombings in third countries and other non, you know, outside

of Russia and stuff. One hundred percent. And then what happens? Give it 20 years and you've got trained armed groups in Ukraine who hate the United States for some reason or another. And you get Al Qaeda all over again. Yeah. In some form or another. There's you know, because you hear the Russians talk about the Nazis in Ukraine, but there is a real neo-Nazi element in Ukraine. You know, it's not huge, but it is very influential and there are certain groups. So there is like these raids going on in Russia that were done by this group called the russian

volunteer corps they were russians russian people that were fighting you know went over to ukraine in 2014 to fight for them and they're like openly neo-nazi wow and they had american armored vehicles so you had a group of neo-nazis basically invading russia and i think this was belgrade they tried this a few times they didn't get much done but you have a group a band of nazis invading russia with american weapons like again fathom try to put yourself you know we can't even imagine something like that happening to the russians are actually uh probably justifiably sensitive to nazis yeah i think that it's it's probably fair. I mean, the optics of it, of Germany sending Ukraine leopard tanks with the Iron Cross on them.

How could this happen? What makes them Nazis? Is it like racial superiority mindset or something? Yeah. element but there is like the azoff battalion that was basically a neo-nazi militia uh during the 2014 donbass war and the and the coup and everything that joined uh the ukrainian forces and there's also you know the history of bandera and the ukrainian nationalists during the world war ii yeah that worked with the nazis and there are people that wear you know nazi icon uh griffey uh on their uniforms and stuff and it it is pretty prevalent. You'll notice it

in pictures of Ukrainian soldiers with this certain Nazi icons. So it is definitely an element of what they call the far right. I kind of hate using the term far right these days because people probably call me far right, but it is like there's certainly that element inside Ukraine. I think it's worth breaking apart what Nazism is exactly hitler just used that term national socialist and he made some psychotic political movement out of it but he called it national socialist but just if you're a nationalist and you're a socialist doesn't mean you're a nazi like hitler kind of means you're a nazi well because so there's not a lot of light between the as much as the socialists and communists don't want to admit this. There's not a lot of light between communists and Nazis.

Right. They the Nazis are nationalists and they have a lot of racism. But the and the communists tend to not be nationalists. They want to see a global socialism, but they're racist, too, a lot of the times and you can see that in in the way that the the socialists are behaving towards a lot of the the jewish people that you see a lot of the anti-semitism that's going on now so there's not a sign not a lot of difference there are there are nuanced differences but the real significant ideological differences are between liberalism and socialism or liberal yeah liberalism and socialism or liberalism and socialism which nazism is a type of socialism because liberalism is is based on enlightenment

principles right so they the fundamental thing about liberalism is the individual should be free to live their life and that the government is there to maybe have a social safety net maybe not but there's different there and there's different amounts of governments that are acceptable but with socialist ideologies the the collective comes first so the nazis believe that the german people came first and communists believe that the workers come before anyone else but it's a it's a social it's a collectivist versus an individual ideology. So there's not a whole... The differences between Nazis and commies is only nuance. It was basically like Nazis were traditional and commies were progressive.

Yeah. But they were all super authoritarian and wanted to lock you up in a cage and kill your family. But to get back to this, the $425 million that they're announcing here. So this is money that they do have left. They're kind of running out of money to send over there. So Biden, in that $105 billion package that he requested, it includes $61 billion to keep the Ukraine war going for another year. They want to do it so they could get through the 2024 election. And again, there was just Zelushny, the Ukrainian commander in chief, just did an interview with The Economist saying it's a stalemate. There's

not going to be a breakthrough, but that doesn't matter to Biden. They want to keep this thing going. They want people to, you know, there's still, there's been fighting. Territory hasn't changed hands much, but a lot of people are dying and that's what they want to continue funding. So it's really just sick stuff. think this the dying part is is just uh i don't think that it's what they're after i think the money in the the and stuff is what they're after and then the people dying well that they don't care yeah and they don't care yeah just slimy well if you actually see how some senators kind of pitch this now i know this is uh i know mitt romney was saying this recently you, their argument for continuing this war going is, oh, we're getting our money's worth.

You know, I got an idea. What's the total number of members of Congress? 435. 435. All right. It's a little bit more than the 425. But here's a deal. We, the American people, will give each member of Congress $1 million to not fund war.

And so you have, it's a good and a bad. We got to negotiate here. We are going to have to spend that money, which adds to the deficit, devalues your currency. But at least it stays as currency in the United States for trade. And we aren't blowing up people or funding war in other countries yeah it sounds like a win so members of Congress if you vote against this I say we give you all a million dollars tax-free tax-free yeah pay pay members of Congress a million dollars but only hey wait here's an idea any year with no active war, members of Congress receive a million dollar bonus. Yeah, that sounds right. I'm in.

Yeah? And Senate included. Yeah. Deal? They're never going to get it, but maybe that would incentivize them. No, because you got a member of Congress being like, million dollar bonus, huh? Yeah, but Raytheon's going to pay me two million after I get out of Congress and go take that job and lobby for him. Well, that's another thing now.

Like, the corruption is so obvious. Lloyd Austin, Biden's defense secretary, he came straight off the board of Raytheon. And he started funding this war in Ukraine that made all these weapons, Raytheon weapons, in very high demand, weapons that they stopped making. Stocks started going up. Yeah, the Stinger missiles, the anti-aircraft missiles

that they gave to the Mujahideen in Afghanistan? Those were basically obsolete. I think they were selling some to Taiwan, but they stopped making them a while ago, and now they're in hot demand. They're calling in 70-year-old Raytheon engineers to start making them. But it is, you know, the point I made about industry.

So you have a manufacturer who makes, he makes bullets. And let's say he makes a thousand bullets per week. The government comes to them and says, we really like the quality of your ammo. Can you produce for us an additional thousand? And the guy goes, if I'm going to do that, I got to hire like five more people for like logistics and all this. And they say, well, we can pay you a premium. We'll pay you x amount and the guy goes wow i'm gonna i'm it's

it's 2.2 times my revenue for for uh only two times the ammo i got a good premium on this deal next month he says i've got these employees working here are you gonna rent my contract and they say no and he goes then what do i do with these employees so the problem is the war machine becomes an addiction where it's not just about the kind of bribery of i'm going to tell your constituents you did this it's that okay look if we lay off 100 000 people economy is going to get hit by this you got to keep building these things just keep the economy going because these jobs will be lost otherwise that's how they make the argument that's what blinkin blinkin's been saying that recently oh it's good for american jobs to spend all this money on wars.

I loved it when Trump said it. He said it with the Saudis. Exactly. He's like, we're going to sell them a bunch of weapons. It's great for the economy. And it's like, oh, wow. I hear that the government contracts are long term. They'll do like, I don't know how many year contracts, but they don't do like one year

contract. If you get a government contract, apparently it's very lucrative for your company. You're set. I remember a long time ago, there was a story story where uh you don't even have to do a good job the the military one of the armed for like the army or whatever said we are we are we do not need any more tanks and then congress says nope and then pass legislation to build more saying we don't care what you think slow targets wonderful hypersonic missiles and the reason that that they do that is because or the reason they can do do that is because they break up the production of them throughout multiple congressional districts.

So you'll have the pieces that go into tanks made throughout the whole country. So no one person can say, we're going to stop this. Because everybody's like, well, if we stop making the tanks, there's going to be job loss nationwide or in these 50 congressional districts. And the Congress people are like, no, you're not going to do anything that's going to affect our job market. So the incentive is not just from the government. It's not just the government wants these things.

It's the way that the government has set up, intentionally set up the production of weapons and stuff like that. It's throughout the whole economy. And so you've got the incentive from multiple people in Congress to say no, to vote against it if you want to stop it. Do you want to add anything to that before we jump? I was just going to say, I remember Matt Gaetz voted for, you know, he's been very good on the wars, some wars in the Middle East. He introduced resolutions to leave Syria and stuff. Unfortunately, he just voted to give Israel $14 billion to fund that war.

But I remember he voted for the NDAA. Oh, yeah. Which one? And he just said, I think it was recent. Oh, okay. A recent one. I don't remember exactly when, but I just remember he went on Twitter and he's like, I voted for the NDAA because-

Real quick. National Defense Authorization Act. Yeah, sorry. So it's the annual, basically, Pentagon spending bill that they pass every year. And Gates just said, I voted for the NDAA because it brings jobs to the district I represent in Florida, and that's that. And it's like, okay, at least he's honest about what he's doing. I would hope to see him vote against it because it's just such a behemoth. Did he vote for this $14 billion package?

Was it just that, or was it part of an omnibus? It was $14.3 billion for military aid for Israel. The way that Johnson, the new House Speaker, and his people wrote it up was that it cuts the $14 billion from the IRS. Right, right, right. And sends it to, which is such a Republican move. It's like, oh yeah, we're going to make some cuts

and send it to fund a war in Gaza. Well, to be fair, it is better than just adding to the debt, but it's still not good. I think NDAAs count as omnibus bills because they have all kinds of stuff. So I do want to jump to this very, very big story, but the first thing I want to announce is Mark Zuckerberg tore his ACL.

He was training for an MMA fight. Damn. And I just want to say shout out. Sorry to hear it, buddy. I hope you get better. ACL tears are no joke. PRP, dude. You got this.

He's got a picture of him in the hospital. no i sincerely mean it not a fan of a lot of things that facebook has done but uh man acl tear is brutal elon you should reach out send your well wishes because elon was joking with joe rogan about how he's going to dominate mark in an mma match and he was fun laughing and laughing so hopefully elon you'll yeah your acl is like a strong strong component in your knee and and that this can end careers for for pro athletes and stuff so i will mark has access to the best medicine on earth i'm excited to watch his recovery he like really trains right like elon musk probably couldn't take yeah elon was like i'm a walrus if i lay on him he won't be able to get up joe's like that's not how it works dude i'll get put in a submission you get

choked you're done yep yep he'll tap out. Okay, we got a big story. This is a story from the Daily Mail about vaccines. And vaccines are on the ballot. The first thing I want to say is, ladies and gentlemen, don't take medical advice from podcasters. And talk to your doctor about what's right for you. But this story is very interesting as per the sentiment held by people in this country and how it relates to RFK Jr. versus Trump and Biden. Check out this headline. According to the Daily Mail, a quarter of Americans say COVID-19 shots are unsafe and that they know someone who died from one as 2024 wannabes to Sanderson RFK Jr.

takes skepticism on the campaign trail. I think this number is highly questionable that one in four americans know someone who died that is a a strong like we i think we'd hear in the news about that many people having died that being said i want to clarify if there are 10 people and they all know bill and bill dies and then you ask these 10 people do you know someone who died they'll all say yes that's a great point yes it's it's still just one person people that know them who know bill might also say yes you know right friend of my friend and they're like oh yeah it's like oh i know someone died yeah my friend's friend bill you know what i mean so we don't know what this

means also i didn't get asked so they didn't do a holistic it actually does say um despite several attempts ian crossland did not respond to our question and i never will uh so i emails ian i want to stress uh youtube calm down i am not talking about this because i care to talk about the efficacy or issues around vaccines that's for you guys and your doctors or whatever i do think it is politically important that people feel this way because there's a question of uh we're talking with luke rudkowski about rfk jr and luke was saying there's a good there's a good possibility that RFK could take votes from Trump because Trump was bad on vaccine mandates and lockdowns. And RFK Jr. is good.

And I say, yeah, but the you know, the core ideologies of RFK Jr. and Trump are so different. You I think you're going to find somebody who says I'm willing to forgive Trump on a lot of things because he's anti woke. He's challenging his government contracts, no new wars, etc. And RFK Jr. called Columbus Day Indigenous People's Day. And that's like a red flag for a lot of people. Yeah.

So that being said, let me read a little bit. They say Americans are growing more skeptical about the safety and effectiveness of vaccines and politicians from left and right are echoing these fears in their campaigns to win the White House. Polling this week shows that while most voters trust shots for COVID-19, MMR and other bugs, millions more have changed their minds in recent months and no longer see them as safe. The surveys come as health chiefs warn of rampant online misinformation linking injections with death and autism, and that ivermectin, an anti-parasitic drug typically used in animals, can treat COVID-19. Again, don't take medical advice from a news organization either.

Despite these warnings and their implications for public health, two politicians are building vaccine skepticism into their 2024 campaign. It's DeSantis and it's RFK. But here's the image. Look at RFK's face. It's the most hideous, angry. So here's some questions. They asked, is the covid-19 vaccine safe? In August of twenty twenty two, seventy three percent said yes and 18 percent said no. As of October

twenty twenty three, sixty six percent say yes and twenty four percent say no. That's really interesting. They ask, do you know someone personally who died from side effects of the covid-19 vaccine? Twenty% said yes, 69% said no. They ask, is increased vaccine use linked to kids getting autism? 10% said yes in April of 2021. As of October this year, 16% say yes. And then here's a big one. If there was a major class action lawsuit against pharmaceutical companies for vaccine

side effects, how likely would you be to join the lawsuit 24 very likely 18 somewhat likely not very likely 22 and not likely at all 25 with 11 not sure the plurality is not likely and uh they ask is ivermectin an effective treatment at in september of 21 10 said yes as of 26% said yes. And I want to stress for the 800th time, I am just reading polls. Calm down, you two. Yeah, not all vaccines are the same, and it's not fair to classify them as such. Well-tested medicine is very different than untested medicine. I like not having polio.

Sure. And the main point here is, what is shifting the American perspective on this issue well let's first find out how many people got pulled here this is an important aspect of this one because if it's just a thousand people then i'm going to stop reading daily mail like that is a gross mis categorization of one in four americans that's a good point let's it could be it could be a highly biased thousand to fifteen hundred i think it I think it's Rasmussen Reports and the Annenberg Public Policy Center of the University of Pennsylvania. Wow. Rasmussen's usually pretty good.

But Rasmussen and University of Pennsylvania. If it was just Rasmussen, I'd say Rasmussen gets a lot right. You know, we'll see. The both of them together, I say, okay, that's really interesting. Again, this is not a poll about whether or not vaccines actually cause issues. It's something is shifting the perspective of them together, I say, OK, that's really interesting. Again, this is not a poll about whether or not they vaccines actually cause issues. It's something is shifting the perspective of the American population. This is going to play a big role. I'm wondering, however, you know, when Luke said Trump was bad on vaccines and lockdowns, so RFK Jr. may pull from him. Yeah, but Biden was worse. Biden and Democrats were 10 times more into lockdowns and vaccine stuff

than Trump. Yeah, but trump was in when all the worst stuff happened when it came to the lockdowns at least i guess he was he was the he was the first guy i said we're going to shut down for a couple weeks so and i think you know because you mentioned how rfk jr and trump are very different ideologically but i mean so many people who vote i mean just this is just people i know who voted for trump they're not like uh ideological really they just go in and vote trump because they don't like the other person like a This is just people I know who voted for Trump. They're not like ideological, really. They just go in and vote Trump because they don't like the other person. Like a lot of people voted like that.

So if they see RFK Jr. and he's really good on this issue, and this is a big thing, just COVID in general really affected so many people, you know, so if he's good on it, that might just be enough for people. I think that that's an issue that could flip a lot of Trump voters. I'm just really curious. What do you think is causing this shift in the American public's perception? I mean, the corporate press has been insistent on vaccines. And, you know, we hear as good stewards of information, we don't break any of these YouTube rules. How could these people possibly hold these views? I think that it's the fact that people mistrust authority.

You know, trust in the media and trust in the government had been going down for a long time prior to COVID and COVID just annihilated a lot of people's trust. There's a lot of people that that are horribly embarrassed by the the way that they supported the government that they believe things that the news said and i think that that this is the the the result of that if you have a society that generally has a declining in trust and a and honestly we are more cynical than we've ever been you know it's like being earnest is now looked at as something to be mocked and so believing that what the news tells you is is something that will get you mocked nowadays if you say oh i

believe if you have enough followers on twitter, you can say, I believe anyone, anything. It could be anything at all. And someone's going to say you're wrong and you're dumb for believing it. There is there is this there is this impulse that people have to be the the one person that has the inside track. And so people are afraid to believe things. They're afraid to admit that they believe things because they're going to get mocked. They're going to get called out there. They're going to be people that say you're dumb for believing that. Didn't you know? How could you believe that? I mean, I see it all the time on in my Twitter feed. Oh,

how could you believe that? You know this and how could you not? So I think that that disincentivizes people to believe anything. They're afraid to say that they believe anything. They're afraid to say, could you believe that you know this and how could you not so i think that that disincentivizes people to believe anything they're afraid to say that they believe anything they're afraid to say oh i think this is actually true and they don't know where to go to get information that they feel like they that should be trusted well let me uh let me piggyback off of that did this article even link to the study to the poll or are they just like a poll said one well i mean they specified i don't even trust this story that i think they're lying i don't even think it's what they cited rasmussen and university they link to it but what do you mean like to the crosstabs yeah like show me how

many people they pulled if they pulled a thousand people and you're saying that that extracts to 350 million i'm gonna be like i'm gonna have to go directly to rasmussen for that when you say that there's like a shift here like has people has it really been polls asking this question before you know we don't really know if this reflects like a shift i i they it looks like they had previous polls asking the same question oh yeah you're right now that aside the let me let me see if i can pull up the cross tabs that aside i think that rushing this the covid vaccine the warp speed thing tweaked a lot of people like that was that was like i'm afraid for my life because of covid and i'll do anything you say mentality and then

when we saw rises in like myocarditis that's like terrifying yeah and trump still like brags about warp speed right when they ask him about it he says uh you know how proud he literally brags about anything there's such a big possibly something i kind of wanted to ask you guys about because i know tim like you're i don't know if you consider yourself like a maga guy but no um i'm voting for trump yeah uh he's far from perfect but he's the best it just seems like there's a pretty big distinct like difference between the the maga movement and the things that trump actually says now uh but i know he represents something more so rfk jr i gotta say he was a big disappointment um because you know i'm kind of a single issue type of guy and he came out

really strong on ukraine you know very well and then uh people started calling sorry 1500 adults yeah that's this it's just such a disingenuous title of the article 1500 i mean what do you mean it says poll fines poll fines oh it's point. You should have said one in four of 1,500 polled. That's not 350 million. Polls are typically like 1,000 to 1,500. 1,500 is actually above average. Consider that. Yeah, you're right.

I consider that it's highly manipulative. It's just an absolute waste of time. It is the most disingenuous, misleading title to say that one in four Americans think it when they polled 1,500 people. Ian, I don't think you understand how polls work. I understand completely how they work, and they're massively manipulative. They are manipulative. Most people understand that they're not trying to.

They're not supposed to be, but the way the article phrased it, it makes it extremely manipulative. But the point that I'm making is most people understand that if you are talking about polls, you're not talking about a poll of 100,000 people. Civics, actually. What was was that civics.com they have polls that because they're so expansive there's 300 000 really yeah it's good on them but still most most polls like they're not hitting you know but but this was a shock title to get clicks it's daily mail i mean it's sure but it's a rasmussen and and uh what is it the uh i'll get the name right the uh annenberg public policy center so the way polls are done is through there's a scientific polling method where they take a wide range of individuals they whittle down their their networks there's uh bad things and huge margins

of errors when it's done improperly but you basically try and create a cross-section of america isolate it down to the key demographic areas where you notice these ideological shifts and then pull a thousand people and then figure out what the percentages are and then try and like that's it's it's normal and and and you can you can argue there's a margin of error in these things but right polls no one can see the future what were you gonna say i felt like you were i interrupted you on accident oh no i was just wondering it wasn't really related i was just wondering what you guys think of rfk jr i mean have you had him on here i like i like the fact that he canceled on us oh did he yeah i like the fact that he's countered to the narrative that the government puts out.

I think that he's terrible on literally everything except for vaccines. Yeah. I would say, so again, with the foreign policy, like he was very good on Ukraine and he explains it well. He interviews people. You know, he had his own podcast. He was interviewing people. I know this guy named Ben Abloh who wrote a book called How the West Brought War to Ukraine.

It's like a very short book that came out right after the invasion, explaining how the U.S. provoked it. So he interviewed him and he really understands the issue. But when it comes to Israel, people smear him. You know, they they called him an anti-Semite and he just went all in on Israel. And when this thing happened, it's just like he says that the U.s needs to support an israeli sustained military campaign i need to show clarification this is the data comes from two different polls rasmussen and enberg did different polls they're just being mentioned in the same article you got the rasmussen was 1500 the other one uh no no no uh 1500 uh 1110 was rasmussen okay rasmussen was actually one of the most accurate polls in, I think, 2016 and 2018.

I think consistently, actually. When the polling data comes out showing how many people voted, Rasmussen almost always nails it. For the record, I really, really like accurate polling. Like, if you can get 10,000 people and you get an accurate readout of what those 10,000 think maybe you can be like you know the issue is in this city you know if rasmussen does five polls and then they say here's here's here's what people are saying 51 49 then the election happens and they go yeah it was they were right 51 49 how how about that and they do it five times then they come up with another poll i'm like okay i'll i'll lean towards believing them in I just want to push back a little bit on what you said. If you're dealing with a country with 330 million people, why is 10,000 acceptable and 1,500 not?

No, I'm saying in a small town of 10,000 and you poll 10,000 people. Oh, okay. I like those kind of polls. Or even if there's like maybe 15,000 people and you poll 10,000 of them. Fair enough. You need like 70 or 80. That's insane. The line's accurate.

You need an accurate line. If you want to come out and make a statement that one in four Americans believe something, people and you pull 10 000 of them you need like 70 or 80 the line's accurate you need it if you really if you want to come out make a statement that one in four americans that's not a you better poll at least 90 of them right and you're not asking for a poll you're asking for an election i'm asking for a real poll not these junk polls aren't the best you know polls are kind of the best you have when it comes to the things you're looking to find out when it comes to like election polling they're not part they're they're better they think that's lazy thinking really the only like they're like just because that's how it's always been done like just deal with it kind of mentality well you're saying that's just like

the best we can do it's like you didn't say we shouldn't improve it's just when it comes to you know especially elections when you like it is kind of your best indication of where people are at is polling and and the question is are the has the polling organization been accurate in the past and then if we look at rasmussen and find that they typically are very accurate you discrediting them because you don't like polling methodology makes no sense i discredit them because they pulled 1100 people and then they claimed to speak for three and a half million that article did yeah i think you know if you're saying that they should just pull more people i think that's a hundred percent and most polling most polls actually say 47 people of those polled said. Yeah. Or that's what they should say. Not the shock, the shock state. You're complaining about a news organization, not the polling institutions. No, I think, you know, there is speaking of polls, there was just a poll conducted by I forget the name of the place, but it was about Israel and Gaza. And it said the majority of Americans support a ceasefire. It said the majority of Republicans do, which

I almost didn't believe it. I think that a lot of Americans do want a ceasefire, but it was like 80% of Democrats and 56% of Republicans. They polled like 1,500 people. Trump people don't want war. Yeah, you're right. I think a lot of the ordinary Trump people

don't want war, even if it is Israel, but unfortunately, the MAGA politicians seem to favor right. I think a lot of the ordinary Trump people don't want war, even if it is Israel. But unfortunately, the MAGA politicians seem to favor it. I think one issue. Well, I don't want to derail. No, no, no. Another issue I have with polling is, and this is a little bit off base, is that I feel like it is a self-fulfilling prophecy sometimes. If they poll people and they're like, 80% want this, then people will see that and they'll be like, yeah, me too. That can kind of that that's why the their political polls will often try and skew in favor their politician to convince people that

our guy's the winner because people want to vote for the winner and it's so weird if you see the polls the election polls right now i mean trump is leading the pack still by so much so that indication like we don't know the exact what the exact vote would actually be, but from constant polls showing him so far ahead, it gives you an idea. I got a question for you. We've been looking at these polls. RFK entering the race as an independent. Do you think that he pulls more votes away from Trump or from Biden? I think Trump.

I actually do think Trump. Again, because the average Trump voter might not be so ideologically drawn to Trump. I know so many people have voted for Trump in 2016. It was just a vote against the establishment. Same thing in 2020, just a lot of people that didn't like Biden. I also knew a lot of people that didn't vote for him that did it because they were kind of sick of it. But I think this COVID issue, again, when it comes to Americans, issues that really affect them, I mean, this is something that really affected Americans.

Me, personally, my wife's business closed down. We moved out of this city. We, you know, changed our whole life. And it's something that people are going to remember. You know, this is, this was a very serious time in America. You know, it's kind of like, if you think back on it, you know, I was living in Brooklyn at the time with the lockdowns and it was just looking back, like it was so insane and everybody went along with it. I was living in Brooklyn at the time with the lockdowns and it was just looking back. It was so insane and everybody went along with it. And I saw Andrew Cuomo when I would go get a coffee on the TV with his nipples sticking out telling us to stay in our houses. And it was crazy. And I was so angry about it, angry enough that we left. And I'm fortunate enough that I was

okay. My wife's business closing down, we were fine. We were able to get out, move out to the country. But a lot of people didn't have that option. So I think he could definitely pull some Trump voters that still feel that anger about what happened in 2020. Yeah, man. Now, what I would love to talk about is the vaccine, the COVID vaccine, or the series of COVID vaccines. I don't want to start going too hard on it on YouTube. I know that YouTube has requested that we don't splatter our opinions about it. I would love to, because I think this is just... So many people were traumatized

by this experience of the COVID vaccine or the COVID virus and then the vaccinations. I left New York before this happened. You had to show them your vaccination papers to go into a restaurant. I mean, that is insane. That is stuff that the anti-vaxxers

were saying a few decades ago that people were like, not even a few decades ago, not long before that, people were like, that's crazy. That'll never happen. In 2020, they were like,

they're going to start doing these passports. I was like, shut up. No, they're not. And they did. They tried the app. I can't imagine it. They tried doing the app

and nobody would do it. They wanted a social credit score. So you know what's interesting? So RFK Jr., Israel. So that model, what New York City did, and I think other cities did it. I think DC might have did it

for a little while. You know, the vaccine passport was modeled on Israel's green pass. Israel was very vaccine mandate and lockdowns and stuff. And I believe it was called the Green Pass. So kind of one of the most intrusive things that they did to us was based on Israel's model. China, on the other hand, they had their lockdowns that were really insane.

But they actually tried to implement some sort of vaccine mandate in Beijing. And people were like, no, we're not doing that. And then they gave up. So it's kind of interesting just the differences in the countries. It's not something you would really expect. you would just assume china had like a vaccine mandate but they didn't like in that sense of you have to walk in and show them your card or scan something um but yeah it's based off israel's uh model wow i was thinking the other day how funny it was and maybe it's funny strange not funny haha that it was covid they were like it's so

dangerous that you have to get tested to find out if you even have it and i'm like okay really did you hear what i'm proud of so is that i've never taken a covid test and that wasn't really like intentional but i just never did i took one and i tickled the back of my nose and i was just sneezing and blowing all the snot out dude it felt so good i was outside doing it oh yeah rolling around i should take one that sounds felt really nice okay that's awful yeah so now everyone knows but back to politics it was a rough week i i i don't i don't see uh i think rfk jr pulls from both trump and biden but two to one biden from trump biden do you think so okay yeah because rfk jr is a is a uh he's a liberal yeah his core is liberal.

It's true. He's Kennedy. He's got the Kennedy name. Exactly. And he's running on that. Ian's pointed out when he talks about his family that his family would not vote for Trump. They would vote for Biden. They might vote for RFK.

I think that's just like a really simple way of breaking down what this might be. They did vote for Biden. I don't know what they're up to these days. I should talk to him about it. I mean, Biden's mental degradation has become very apparent. If the poll is for Democrats, five points towards RFK, meaning your average person has a 95% chance of voting for Joe Biden. That still means 5% vote for RFK Jr. Whereas the poll for Trump supporters is like one. What are your feelings on Vivek Ramaswamy? He says a lot of good things, but I think his

foreign policy, he's pretty off base on some things with Taiwan. For instance, he wants to commit to defending Taiwan, but he also says things like, oh, once we get semiconductor independence, then we're not going to worry about Taiwan anymore. But he's still saying that to deter war, we should commit to war with Taiwan. And also his plan to end the Ukraine war, he's like, I'm going to get Putin to sever his military alliance with China, and that's how we're going to end it. It's not really a realistic plan. They don't really have a formal military alliance. They've been building one up and doing drills and stuff. But also, they're not going to go for that. I mean, trust has been destroyed between the West and Russia. You know, there's going to have to be some

real good faith negotiations and, you know, trying to just get something like that. Like China and Russia have really built up their trade relationship in recent years, and they're very reliant on each other now. They're not just going to give that up for the U.S. That could change in eight, four, eight years. Somebody will come in and say, you know what, forget that. We're going to move NATO into Ukraine. Forget that guarantee we gave you. We need to rebuild trust before you could do something like that. Yeah, new administration is definitely a big thing.

Like Putin's not a dumb guy. And he also tries to play it off of Richard Nixon going to China and shaking hands with Mao. But what Nixon had the Sino-Soviet split to capitalize, they were already enemies, the Soviet Union and Communist China at that point. That's not the situation right now with Putin and Xi Jinping's interpreter when he went to Mao. And he agreed that the idea that it's anything similar to like that is just off base. So I think there's other ways to argue for ending the Ukraine war, just the fact that it's not in American interest, that it's every day that we continue it, it's very dangerous. We're spending all this money, we're going bankrupt. I think that should really be the argument. And we see that argument from other Republicans. Do you think it's just to declare a white peace and cede the Eastern Donbass to Russia? What I think should happen? It's tough to say. I mean, right now, I think really the US just has to end it and make Ukraine

negotiate something and whatever that is. And, you know, realistically, at this point, Russia is not going to give that territory up. And, you know, it's the Donbass and Zaporozhye and Kherson. You know, we're not, we shouldn't be risking nuclear war for those territories. You know, it shouldn't have gotten to this point. It didn't have to get to this point. But now that it's at this point, we need to end this thing. We need to end this thing tomorrow because, again, we could wake up and be at war with russia again assassinations in russia with you know cia trained groups killing people it's it you know the fact that we're at this point is really unbelievable well i would love to just drill down into the

philosophy of what's going on in the middle east in uh israel and palestine it is however 9 31 i think we're about to take some super we are going to super chats youtube's been giving us the business though the super chats aren't loading properly load me but it's fine it's fine we'll figure it out because this is what we do here we we we do it we're gonna pull up these super chats and there they are they're back all right let's go shaky own says is steven marsh's next book titled canadian delicacies 1001 excuses for eating boot leather that's brutal i i uh here's my assessment of steven i think he's a good dude uh the first time we had him on it was an excellent conversation

i think he and i can see the same thing however he's coming from the establishment perspective and we're coming from a moderate perspective and so this is one thing to try bringing up on the show the culture war podcast is that he said something like there are more seditionists on the right than the left i said what's your metric for that he goes court cases and i said okay where the court cases around 529 he goes what's that i'm like okay that's my point if you if if if his argument is it is not that bad that far-left extremists were throwing firebombs at the white house set fire to a church and they rushed trump into an emergency bunker and that doesn't warrant investigations and arrests it's not insurrection it's not sedition well then you're coming from a very biased

perspective and i'm not asserting either i didn't say there was more on the left or the right. I think it may be fair to say there's more on the left, but they're less extreme. And there are very, very few on the right, but they're very extreme. And so, but, so that means his view of what's going on, when he sees, you know, something happening that leads us to civil war,

his perspective is skewed by an establishment perspective. Whereas I think ours is certainly skewed by an anti-establishment anti-establishment perspective. But as Phil pointed out with Jonathan Heights research, the right knows the left is thinking the left does not know what the right is thinking. So we are a more moderate, probably in many ways,

right-leaning for a variety of reasons, basically because the left doesn't come on the show. I think the people on this show are fairly moderate but that means we have a more holistic view of what's going on and why and steven's more biased in that regard he thinks he's not i think he is and then he says we're biased but it's actually really simple if he's coming from a left liberal perspective we are to the right of him because we're in the middle and so he doesn't know what you know that's what i think but i think he's a good dude. We had a lot of fun. He played poker.

He's really good as well. I really like him. You guys have leftists on here once in a while, right? But they don't come on. Well, you had Max Blumenthal recently. They do. Yeah, but Max is a good dude. Yeah.

Like, many of these leftists. He's a leftist that I like a lot. But there, so, he was honest. And he was, like, impressively honest with his views and his his his uh pro-palestine bias he said but he's telling us the truth he said like it's it i get it i'm like you're allowed to be in favor of palestine you're allowed to even be in favor of hamas i just don't like that so be honest about it so i appreciate these leftists in new york cheering for hamas i i'm i appreciate that they're telling me they feel that way i mean how many of them are that are they really cheering for hamas and new york literally almost every

rally they're cheering for i know that there's again you know we talked about this before the show i know people involved in these rallies and stuff and explicitly cheering for hamas yeah but i know there's a lot i i think that might that might just be being amplified because i know again a lot of jewish anti-war activists absolutely Absolutely. And this means organizing these things, leading. And that means you're the people, you know, organizing things are handing microphones to people to cheer on Hamas. What do you think? Like when you see like the like the leader of Hamas talking about like killing all the Jews. What leader of Hamas?

The spokesman that that was on recently. But that's not even the point. They're going to keep fighting. I mean, yeah, that's not even the point keep fighting i mean yeah that's not the point because the point i'm making is this at almost all of these rallies in new york like times square specifically i'm not talking about like grand central where it's people sitting down uh you have a woman get up and say our freedom fighters paraglided into israel and fired five thousand okay that's hamas And then you had one guy said, our freedom fighters kidnapped a whole bunch of hipsters.

I'm sure they're doing great. But there's so many of these. I don't think there's as many as you think. Again, I think this is being amplified because there's like an internet propaganda war going on. I think that's an... I mean, you see the big marches. What is from the river to the sea?

That means that from Jordan from the Jordan River to the Mediterranean Sea, Palestinians will have equal rights. That's where that chant came from. I don't believe that. That is like defund the police doesn't really mean defund the police. It absolutely meant defund the police. So from the river to the sea, you're saying does not mean the abolition of the Jewish state. It could mean it to some people. If they want one state that's not a Jewish state, that could mean that.

It means different things to different people. I know the Likud founding document says basically from Jordan to the sea, you know, it will be Israeli sovereign territory. So there... But there are Arabs in the Knesset, right? There are Arabs that are in the condition right there are arabs that are in the in the parliament in israel if the palestinians had the had control over israel and it was palestine there wouldn't be jews i mean that's what i don't buy i and i don't i mean i understand there's people that are going to say oh they wouldn't blah blah i don't buy it for a

second and the reason i don't is because there are an if hamas right if the attack on the seventh if hamas were like super soldiers they would have killed everybody but they're not they're not but there are enough people that hate all the jews in in the middle east to kill all the jews well there's like 16 million jews on earth let's slow down max brought this up he said they want to return to their ancestral homeland right okay so what does that mean if if israel removes the barriers of gaza and says everyone is now free to move about the country what happens what do i think would happen if israel took down all the fencing around gaza and said everyone in gaza you are now free to move out the country yeah i mean i'm not sure what would

happen but i know what would happen. But I know. Would the people that Max said want their ancestral land back, try to get it back? I think some people might. Some people? It's a realistic thing. Like, I agree that the kind of the right of return that the people, the children of refugees in Gaza that want to go back to, you know, their homes that their parents or grandparents were kicked out of is not really a realistic thing.

But I mean mean we're talking about a peace deal essentially that that wouldn't happen if them just opening the fence and letting them them go i'm not saying they need to negotiate you know a real piece the point the more that this keeps going on and they keep killing children i mean now you're shifting away from what i'm talking about my point is when protesters say from the river to the sea you are giving them the benefit of the doubt when what you're giving them makes literally no sense as to their own arguments. If their argument is a right to return to land, which currently has houses and families living in it, then you would argue that the nicest way to view it is that they will come enter those homes and say, we live here now too.

Okay. That absolutely will result in violence. Yeah. I mean, the thing is like when it comes to a one state solution, the what the things that Israel is doing in the West Bank right now, they're still kicking people out of their homes, especially since things popped off on October 7th. You know, a thousand Palestinians have been kicked out of their houses by by. I'm not I'm not here. I know you're not saying that, but you're talking about left right now if they just open it. But leftist. But we're talking about protests in the United States. Yeah. Where they're either explicitly defending Hamas because we're talking about. I said you've got people protesting in support. I think that's a very small minority.

And then I said, what is River to the Sea? Because you have high school students chanting it. And if the argument is Palestinians will have equal rights, that would mean people in Gaza can freely move about the country. Correct. And the right of return is explicitly they want the land back, which means you have Noah, from the river to the sea, in the nicest interpretation means mass

violence in Israel. No, it doesn't. How do you get your land back? Are they going to go and file, are they going to buy it? Well, that's assuming that that's the deal, that, okay, you guys can have your houses back. That's not going to be the deal. They're not just going to let people, okay, you can go now, go, run, you know. So the argument would be that from the river to the sea just literally means they want to try and and get to go to tel aviv it means equal rights yeah they want to go

to the beach that's something kids in the west bank always says that they want to go see the beach they can't go see the beach they live under military occupation their entire life is under control of the israeli military and you know we talk about what happened on october 7th um you know there was an attempt at non-violent protests in 2018 and 2019 called the great march of return where they just walked to the border fence and some people were throwing rocks and lighting stuff on fire but mostly max didn't mention that it was an unarmed protest max said they started shooting protesters yeah of course he didn't mention no but they were shooting protests sure they were shooting unarmed people i know they shot they shot somebody in a wheelchair right

and they shot women uh medics very clearly medics journalists i i they killed hundreds of people my my uh simple thing for all of this is i literally as it pertains to american policy don't care about the moral arguments of war in foreign lands because the argument is we can't adjudicate this for them we are not the world police i agree yeah and so whenever it devolves into like yeah but israel or guys i'm just like you know what america's not supposed to be right but you were asking those questions but my i'm not asking the questions about that what what israel is doing in the west bank versus palestine i'm asking about americans here at rallies are are protesting in support of Hamas. And you said, I think it's a small group.

My argument is if the argument is only a small group of people. Our government is helping Israel blow up apartment buildings and kill children. Literally. Our government's doing this. You guys are worried about, you know, the war on terror being turned in on the right wing. I mean, this is what the war on terror looks like. What I'm saying is. Why are you focusing on these college kids

chanting this stuff when our government is doing a mass slaughter right now? See, this is my point. This is what it devolves into. My argument is there are people in the United States who are advocating for extreme... Look, if a pro-Palestine activist comes to me... Let me finish.

If a pro-Palestine activist comes to me and says, from the river to the sea, and then they're like, we will return to our land and we will have this back. I go, okay. And they go, help, help. They're killing our kids. I'll be like, bro, like, what? There's a war going on where Hamas just killed a bunch of kids and now Israel's killing more civilians because they're bombing things.

But you came out and cheered for it. You can't come to me and cheer for the murder of civilians and then be angry that israel's killing civilians because i'm like you guys are in a war and one side has power it has nothing to do with me don't cheer for civilian death and then cry about civilian death okay i don't believe you i agree with that i don't think they should cheer civilian death again i do think that's a small minority and the problem is the same argument is made by people in support of israel where they're like, Israel's not trying to kill civilians. They were attacked and they're retaliating, take out commanders and leaders. And now you're highlighting these civilians.

No, no. All civilian deaths are bad. Yeah. So here's where Israel wins the PR war. Oh, one thing I want to mention. So you had Recktenwald on the other day, and he mentioned that there was some evidence that on October 7th and the fighting that happened a few days after, IDF killed some Israelis. And he didn't have a citation for that. So that's actually something that Max Blumenthal

covered at the Gray Zone, but he cited Israeli media. And again, this is just evidence that some of the civilians might have been killed by the Israeli military. So here's the issue

I had with that. Not that he was wrong. It's that if he said, there's been reports. It's possible when the IDF came in fog of war, they didn't know who was shooting who. And that was friendly fire. I'd say, well, that happens all the time. Of course, he said they were they were they were bombing houses and shooting people. But to come out and be like the IDF was killing their own people and bombing houses.

It's just like, well, I mean, that's I just didn't get that vibe from the way rechtenwald said it but maybe i'm just biased because i so so here here's my view i am i am the united states i don't mean like i am literally there i mean like me here i am a u.s citizen and i see the israeli side the palestinian side and i'm like man i see civilians dying this is bad two things first uh the left and the pro-palestinian side has lied about too much i'm not i'm like man i see civilians dying this is bad two things first uh the left and the pro-palestinian side has lied about too much i'm not i'm not a historian on israel gaza they said a hospital was bombed lie they said that it wasn't a lie the hospital wasn't bombed well it was they said it was decimated they said that the building was level who said what when that report happened that night

a lot of people a lot of people said a lot of things was it 500 people died and a hospital was decimated and then the whole conversation was what could have blown up a hospital and they're like oh it was a parking lot yeah yeah so then then the refugee camp oh actually it's not a refugee camp they are refugees technically oh right technically but it was actually a city and there was a lot of civilians there and the idf admitted it there's a reason why but you're talking about lying like if we're if you're not going to trust them because they lie all the time the israeli government also lies all the time you are correct and here's the problem as me in the united states was not a historian the the people on the left in support of palestine lie about these things

and then i asked the question is is israel being honest you just said israel admitted to bombing a refugee village so what what israel is winning in the pr war is they're saying i'm sorry that this is happening it's war it's terrible we did this yes and i'm like wow they admitted it then israel says we are desperately trying not to kill civilians and i say okay i hear that i mean then you get people on the pro pro-palestine side in new york cheering for the killing of civilians and then coming out be like help help they're killing civilians hamas is also saying that they didn't mean to kill civilians that You know, so if you're going to argue that Israel, they come out. Hamas is saying that they didn't mean to kill civilians.

That's what Israel is saying. And they're slaughtering civilians right now. Look at what's happening there. You did say Hamas is saying that they did not mean to kill civilians. I'm comparing it to what he said, yeah. Right. I just want to make sure. They said it was in the crossfire.

What you said was. Nasrallah, the Hezbollah guy, you know, he's not Hamas, obviously. I don't believe Hamas. Okay, that's fine. But no, no, no.llah guy, he's not Hamas, obviously. I don't believe Hamas. Okay, that's fine. No, no, no. You don't have to believe Hamas. I don't believe them either, Phil. Phil, settlers are not civilians.

I don't believe them either. That's what they said, right? They admitted that civilians were killed. No, no, no, but settlers are not civilians. This is an argument made by a Yale professor to justify the attacks Hamas committed. My point is simply this. I'm not here to tell you who is right or who is wrong. I'm telling you the PR war is being won by Israel because Israel is, is, I think right now they're losing. That's only on the internet. I mean, I don't think so.

I mean, we had, uh, when we were talking to Stephen Marsh earlier, he said, you realize the left died this month because of what, because of Palestine, because of, because of the activists tearing down the flyers because, uh, or I believe that was the larger insinuation is because of Palestine, because of the activists tearing down the flyers, because, or I believe that was the larger insinuation is because of what we're seeing with like Amy Schumer, for instance, reposting campus reform, like a conservative campus publication. We are seeing mainstream celebrities now posting right wing things and actually saying, wow, we were wrong about the left. I can't believe we were so wrong because of how many people have cheated.

Like BLM posting the paraglider. Yeah, that's stupid. We definitely got to go to Super Chat. OK, but I would just say, you know, with this, we see the same tactics that the left deploys when it comes to Israel. Criticism of Israel is always called anti-Semitic. I agree.