Timcast IRL - Timcast IRL #907 GOP Publishes January 6th Tapes PROVING It Was A HOAX, COPS HELPED w/Clint Russell

Episode Date: November 18, 2023

Tim, Ian, Phil, & Serge join Clint Russell to discuss Speaker Mike Johnson releasing the full footage from January 6th, Michael Rappaport suggesting he's voting for Trump, Elon Musk announcing they will scrub pro-Hamas content from the platform, & Bit Chute calling on Jim Jordan to investigate the de-platforming of Parler. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Download the BetMGM Ontario app today. You don't want to miss out. Visit BetMGM.com for terms and conditions. 19 plus to wager, Ontario only. Please gamble responsibly. If you have questions or concerns about your gambling or someone close to you, So the January 6 tapes have been released. Speaker Mike Johnson has dumped all of the footage that is now available for you to watch, and people have started posting it online, and boy, oh boy, what do we see? Wow. The police facilitating January 6th. That's not an

understatement. Cops are shown shaking hands. In fact, they're even removing flex cuffs from people who are for some reason detained. And they're seen walking through the halls with these people. And there's way more footage still to come. These are just the first few clips that have gone up. I think this debunks the insurrection narrative wholeheartedly. I know most of us already knew that that narrative was absurd, but now it's going to be interesting how this affects people who are currently on trial, because we can see a lot of the narrative that has been put forward about violence doesn't apply to a large portion of these people who were charged with obstructing a government proceeding. In fact, in Dinesh D'Souza's police state, one woman mentions that her son, I believe it was her nephew, who went into the Capitol,

was there an hour after the violence and the breach. And you walk up to the Capitol, there's no barriers, there's no signs, the doors are open, cops are waving to people, shaking their hands, taking selfies. How could they charge this person with a crime? And they're doing it. But now the footage is out. In other news, in one of the more shocking bits of news, Michael Rapaport, comedian, hates Donald Trump, still hates Donald Trump, and says he is actually considering voting for Donald Trump.

Why? Likely because of his support for Israel. And what we are seeing now, we saw this in D.C. and we saw it today. Far leftists rioting in support of Palestine in opposition to Israel. And this is freaking out a lot of the never Trumpers and anti Trumpers. And so Democrats are in trouble. It doesn't matter if it's Joe Biden. What matters is that if the Democrats come out outright, just say they're in support of Israel, they're going to lose 10 percent of their voting base, which is 1829. So we'll talk about that.

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I'm really pumped to be here. I am the host of Liberty Lockdown. I am also the co-host of Tower Gang. And I am the new co-host of a fantastic show called The Best Political Show dot com. It's exclusive over on Rumble. You can find it. We are change. All one word.

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takethechillpill.com. There you go, man. What's happening, Serge? Yo, I am here, ready for the Friday show. Let's get to it, Tim. Here we go. From the post-millennial breaking. All January 6 footage publicly released by House Speaker Mike Johnson.

I'd like to just pause and say, dude, why on a Friday? Come on. On a Friday? We know why he did it. He had to do it. This shows they really didn't want to do it. But okay, fine. It finally happened.

Do you think it's better to do it on this Friday considering next week is like if he did it did it on monday it's a it's a holiday that's the perfect time to do it absolutely it's thanksgiving dude with next week we are not going to be here thursday and friday we will have a culture war episode up friday but this is the perfect time to drop on a tuesday right before thanksgiving so when everyone is at their home with their liberal aunt they can be like what do you mean all the footage just got released here Here it is. Now, to be fair, to be fair, you can still do that. No one's saying you can't. But it doesn't hit the press the same way. So he could have released this earlier in the week, but fine. So be it. Now, this is the big news. Mike Johnson says, today I'm keeping my promise to the American people and making all

the January 6th tapes available to all Americans. Bang. There it is. Take a look at this. We got it all, baby. It's right here at CHA.House.gov slash CHA subcommittee, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. The link has been published online by tons of people on Twitter. And we've got some of these clips. Hey, here you go. Here's a video of a police officer shaking a dude's hand as they're walking through.

The cops clearly don't care anybody is here. They're not asking anybody to leave. Now, I understand that in some circumstances, people were fighting with police. Yep, those violent people should be arrested and charged. I understand. In some circumstances, the cops are on camera saying, guys, you need to leave. Totally get it. However, the point is, a large majority of what happened happened well after the violence on the other side of the building and the police not only allow it to happen, I think in this video, you've got a guy, there's a video where someone gets his cuffs removed.

I don't know if I have that one pulled up, actually. But actually, yeah, was it this one? Let me see if it's this video right here. No, maybe not. Just a cop shaking some guy's hand. Yeah, it was a shorter one. Let me tell you about protests. In New York City, in Washington, D.C.

How about this? In Washington, D.C., on January 20th, 2017, around 215 far leftists were all caught by the police and arrested as a single group. What did the police do? Stood in a circle around them. That's it. They stood in a circle around and said, you're not free to go. And what did everyone do?

Stood there. You mean to tell me the insurrectionists are in the building and the cops are like, here you are, sir. The exit is right this way. Shakes his hand, takes a selfie. And now they're going to criminally charge these people. The best example, as I mentioned earlier, is from the Dinesh D'Souza's police state documentary.

It's not the best example. There's several examples where a woman says her nephew showed up an hour after. So the doors are open. There's no barricades. There's the cops have let everybody in. And he walks up and he's like, hi, how's it going? Come on in. Apparently he walks around and then he leaves.

And they've given him all of these charges. They want to lock him up forever. I met a woman who said her and her husband showed up an hour or so after all the violence to this exact story. There were no barricades. They'd been removed. The doors had been uh propped open by the police the police had waved people in and they showed up waving little flags having no

idea what was going on now they're being sent to jail over this was there was there any uh follow up to that reporting from a few days ago about those buses that allegedly had like undercovers ghost buses yeah it was that was that verified okay no the media is calling that one a conspiracy theory okay well maybe it is well no are you joking that means in three months i'll be proven true all right i mean wow what are you doing here just like the wuhan institute of virology we'll figure out about you know shortly look i mean i think that anybody that's followed this story closely has known for since day five after j6 that this was uh largely overblown so i'm not exactly surprised but i i just hope that this helps in bringing justice

i would like an explanation from johnson the new speaker as to you know what was the hold up i would like to know actually from the the old guard why why did it take two and a half years for us to get this information it seems so obviously necessary that we get to see it i feel like there's been people in congress like there's enough information where you can kind of say yeah the federal government is behaving outside of what is legal right like it's pretty clear that they're using you know false pretences to punish political dissidents and punish people for their political agendas and i don't know why there aren't more people in congress that are actually saying it there's a handful of people that are actually talking about it but most of them don't actually

want to make a firm statement about the violations of the law and violations of of american americans rights that the current administration is is doing i have a thesis for you please by all means my thesis would be that uh people you know representatives in congress or in senate have watched the fbi worked surreptitiously to try and undermine donald trump I mean, they tried to impeach him twice off of totally faulty information. You had false affidavits that were filed by FBI agents. These people are scared to death of speaking out against the FBI, the CIA, the entire intelligence agency apparatus, and I don't blame them. But we need courage right now. That's the problem is that these people are just not being courageous, and that's what we've actually put them there to be. Everyone on january 6th subcommittee should be expelled from congress

agreed they they they lied manipulated to steal political power and the sad thing is we all know it we've always known it and these changes will not come however that being said the the discover the magic of bad mgm casino where the excitement is always on deck. Pull up a seat and check out a wide variety of table games with a live dealer. From roulette to blackjack, watch as a dealer hosts your table game and live chat with them throughout your experience to feel like you're actually at the casino. The excitement doesn't stop there. With over 3,000 games to choose from, including fan favorites like Cash Eruption, UFC Gold Blitz, and more.

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and seeing these people say they're gonna vote for trump we'll get into this a little bit later but i'm actually more optimistic than i've ever been when i see hardcore never trumpers being like i'll vote for the guy really now i gotta tell you something really crazy about that january 6th was supposed to be an insurrection where they tried to overthrow the united states and take it over and now you've got people not they don't care anymore because of israel again i know i know we'll get we'll get into a little bit later but my point is when it comes to january 6 subcommittee their goal was insurrection they sat in those committee hearings withholding information lying about what was going on why to steal political power that is an insurrection that is seditious conspiracy.

And these videos only prove more of what we already knew. The cops are waving people in and shaking their hands. Right. How can you call that an insurrection? But it doesn't actually begin then. It began, I mean, it may have even begun earlier than this, but the most obvious example to me is when you have, you know, the spying that's happening on the Trump campaign before he's even elected president, you know, and you have Obama.

Yeah. And that was directed by Obama and Hillary Clinton. But, you know, Biden also was riding shotgun for much of that. So it just seems absolutely bizarre to me that the the representatives in Congress aren't willing to actually speak out about how perilous these circumstances are. You know what Obama understood? Obama understood what hurt Nixon. And you know what hurt Nixon? The press. And so Obama said, if I am going to commit, engage in a seditious conspiracy after murdering American citizens and bombing children other countries he said if i am

going to try and steal power and destroy the united states uh government and this country and the lives of the american people i will have to own the press before i do it and the reason why he has not been he has not gone down as one of the worst presidents in history is because the press has just kept lying in his defense but i I truly hope, I hope that within seven, within eight years, the narrative has flipped on the horror that was the Obama administration, the psychotic, deranged and evil things that man did. Let's just talk about the killing of Abdulrahman Al-Awlaki. Let's talk about the extrajudicial assassinations of several others.

Let's talk about the National Defense Authorization Act indefinite detention provision in which Obama said he had the right to take you in secret in the middle of the night to an offshore military vessel, a naval vessel, and torture you. That's it. That's the decree he made. He prosecuted more whistleblowers and journalists on the Espionage Act than any other president. And he spied on Donald Trump working with Hillary Clinton. We know this. And still he gets he gets past all this why he owned the press well and he also won a nobel

peace prize for nothing for nothing i mean to top all that off he was given a nobel peace prize sure win but but let me just add one more item that's you know in my wheelhouse as to reasons to not like uh barack obama he was responsible for the executive order that implemented diversity equity inclusion in every federal uh department across our government that was his his action the last month of trump's presidency he tried to undo it and then the very first day of biden's presidency they redid it that's how that's how important this is to them, that they are able to essentially divide and conquer, which is exactly what DEI

is, even though it's about diversity, right? But really what it is is about oppression Olympics, and it's dividing and making us all become at each other's throats. It's terrible. Why did Trump wait till the end of his tenure to do that? I couldn't tell you. He could have done it at any point.

I think Tim's right. He doesn't know what he's doing yeah he could have done at any point i think i think tim's right he doesn't know what he's doing unfortunately which is why i like vivek so much because i know for a fact he understands exactly what i'm talking about man it is it is um i i i'd love to imagine a vivek ramaswamy presidency day one but i you need more than just unfortunately you need more than the know-how to win a like right to win right and vivek may be the best day one he goes in with a scalpel an obsidian blade and just perfectly perfectly excises all of the rot and helps turn this country around i mean but winning is something different i know and and i think trump is clearly in the catbird seat, if you will, to win again. But, you know, I'm still holding out hope that if Vivek, you know, broadens his horizons and he's willing to consider a VP

slot with Trump, I think that would be probably as good as I could hope for in terms of a winning ticket that would actually deliver much of what the libertarians would like to see. Not all of it, obviously, i'm just i just like to see people get fired me too brother i'd like to then see after that some criminal prosecution yes thank you yeah i mean there's there's this uh you know misunderstanding about libertarians and anarcho-capitalists that like we don't want you know we don't believe in the state so we don't want to see criminals putting behind bars like couldn't be further from the truth like you can't speak for all libertarians they get pissed off when you do that kind of stuff well i'm gonna do it anyways

uh i don't really care they can get mad at me uh yeah i think if there's one group of people that all libertarians agree ought to be behind bars it's corrupt politicians that are ruling over us against our will you know from jump street so would you agree uh well i'm not a libertarian but uh no but from your perspective in your opinion you said people don't like talking for libertarians but you think libertarians want to see the corrupt politicians locked up i think that there is there is the most uh if there is a rule for the state then policing corruption is probably among the the most fundamental things that the state should have to do i mean you don't don't want a state that's passing a lot of laws anyways.

You want to keep laws as local and low impact as possible. But if you've got people that are entrusted with creating law, then I think that the policing of those people is among the most important things that a state could do. I'd like to point something very important out. You know, these videos are not the only videos we have proving the Capitol Police were aiding and abetting the January 6th insurrection. There's videos of them opening the doors. There's videos of them waving people in. There's a video of one of them wearing a MAGA hat and waving people in. There's a video of them shaking hands. Now there's more videos of them shaking hands, releasing people from flex cuffs, giving them directions to insurrectionists.

And the most important thing, the Capitol Police have been expanded under the Biden administration into new locations, which would mean the Capitol Police, the principal and most powerful organization involved in facilitating the January 6th insurrection, have been given more power by the Biden administration, which would mean Joe Biden himself is engaged in an insurrection by aiding and abetting insurrectionists and therefore is disqualified under the 14th Amendment. Fire him! That's some Fannie Willis judicial work there. I don't care.

I want to see the paperwork. Look, if they're going to claim Donald Trump did this, that, or otherwise, it's all BS nonsense. I just gave you all your novel legal theory. Roll with it. File the lawsuits. Yes, they're losing, but do it anyway. You had Lauren De La Guna on your show last week,

and she made an interesting point that sometimes you you people are guilty of crimes you don't want to prosecute them for the betterment of society like that's a legal philosophy and there are times and places when you would not prosecute even though they've done something wrong i thought that was interesting considering our current political paradigm and the whole tit for tat i'll get your guy and in four years you're gonna get me and then four years after that someone's gonna come and get you back like maybe there's a see this is the problem with that because i am a very forgiving person and i'm also buddhist meditating type like yourself so uh the the issue that i have is that it's not tit for tat it's one direction give me give me an example like a real

example of a democrat who plays ball with the establishment that actually sees like hard time behind bars. It's very rare. Right. Very, very rare. So the issue is not so much that, you know, the GOP is being persecuted. It's that the left is never being persecuted. So if that's the case, you don't have justice at all. Well, to be fair, Eric Adams in New York, you know, he gets upset about immigration.

So what happens? Oh, the feds come crashing down. Because he didn't play ball, right? That's right. And I mean, that's really startling because he was the mayor of New York City, right? Is the mayor of New York City. Yeah, is. Sorry. I'm already assuming he's out. But yeah, I mean, we've got two, three million illegal immigrants that are coming across the border. Many of them are making

their way to New York and their infrastructure is basically being overran. And he's doing his job, but just because that goes against the kind of neoliberal narrative about open borders and that immigration at any magnitude is acceptable, well, then you can't talk about it, even though it's going to bankrupt his city. And that's just the reality. Let's jump to some modern politics. Let's talk about, I got some good news for everybody. This is a tweet that's been reposted by Libby Emmons. It is of Michael Rapoport, a man who utterly despises Donald Trump and still to this day despises Donald Trump. But this comedian, this man, who hates Donald Trump, I'll say it again,

has a message for all of you. Y'all ready to hear it? If it comes down to pig dick Donald Trump, I'll say it again, has a message for all of you. Y'all ready to hear it? If it comes down to pig dick Donald Trump and smoking Joe Biden, I'm sorry. I am sorry. Voting for pig dick Donald Trump is on the table. Oh, I'm sorry. I'm fucking sorry.

I'll still call him Slob Dick Donald Trump, Pig Dick Donald Trump, and all that. But we need to get this whole fucking situation under control. And you know what that situation is he's talking about?

He's talking about far leftists that are storming, trying to storm the DNC. They're storming into, I think, a university a few hours ago. He's talking about the far left protesters

in New York City cheering on Hamas. And I just think it's absolutely hilarious that this guy who hates Donald Trump. And I'm not going to speak to him as what he said as to what he said about January 6th. But the fact that so many people are moving in this direction, despite screaming that Donald Trump is a fascist, Hitlerian psychopath who tried to overthrow the u.s government they genuinely claimed they claimed that donald trump was a threat to this country but then israel got threatened and now all of a sudden it's like oh i don't care about this country i'll vote for donald trump yeah as long as we get what we want over there huh kind of

shows what his priorities are but i'm just heartbroken i'm heartbroken because this guy was in true romance which is one of my favorite movies ever, and he's now just like a caricature of himself. Yeah, but look, so outside of that, I'll just say this. I don't want to rag on Rappaport. He's allowed to hate Donald Trump. That's totally

fine. I don't know what he said about January 6th. I'd be willing to bet he said a lot of crazy things, critical things of Trump. Fine. If he's coming out now and saying, saying hey man i'm starting to realize these far leftists are crazy and this is what it took i'll take what i can get i'm not gonna i'm not gonna push him away anybody who comes to me and says i didn't realize the far left wanted to kill you know uh let's just be very careful supported hamas that to a great proportion supported hamas and we're posting images of paragliders coming into israel very delicate here they didn't know that so be it i

will say shake my hand buddy we're gonna vote for donald trump together right well look that's fair but i just don't i don't look at rapaport and his unhinged behavior over the past four years and go like like this is an ally in any form or fashion yeah he may vote for trump he might but he's still he's just as crazy as the people that are marching for hamas i but but look he can say whatever he wants he can believe whatever he wants but if we truly believe and you you probably don't but i'm saying for me that donald trump is our best path forward in 2024 for a variety of reasons. If this guy is saying he's going to he's going to help me out with that. I say yes.

Here's the way I was talking to Scott Horton after the show. Great dude. We had him on Culture War. And I said, look, man, if I see Donald Trump and he's having a snowball fight with Hillary Clinton and he's just whipping him at her and she's getting hit and she's about to be knocked off her bounce into a nice snow pile. It's all good fun, everybody. It's all good fun. And then he runs out of snowballs

and he looks at me and he goes, Tim, I need one more, one more snowball. I'm going to throw him a snowball. If Michael Rapoport is the guy who's got it, I'll be like, let's go. And if he throws a snowball to Trump and then Trump whips one last snowball, hitting Hillary and she falls backwards into the snow.

You get my point. I'm very nice. We're having a very fun, family-friendly game of a snowball fight. And Hillary falls down. And then she giggles and laughs. And everyone's happy. But Trump wins. That's my point.

Look, I've said before, I'm not a Trump supporter. But I don't disagree with you that he's probably the best bet at getting me any closer to what i want to see but i just don't have any confidence in him because of what happened during 2020 and that's the reason i don't i don't support him um but yeah i i think that obviously if it's if it's gavin newsom like i would be i would be out of my mind not to prefer trump over newsom we're gonna vote for him probably not probably not well i'll put it like this i'd vote for him i'll put it like this hold on i'll put it like this if i'm in a swing state which currently i am i'm in florida wait are you joking isn't it swing state no well i mean it went very

hard for desantis but it's been a swing state historically so not even for no i think for trump it was even it was even better okay well then i don't if my vote doesn't matter then you know who i'm voting for uh but if it if it's yeah if there's some theoretical possibility that my vote will actually swing things then yeah maybe i'd consider trump but look i'm not look you're putting me in a corner tim don't make me endorse this guy no i don't have to do this you don't have to endorse trump you can even outright say he's awful but man like i said if donald trump is the one who's engaging in that snowball fight against the the establishment machine in the war machine i'm like the look no new wars he that dude tried so hard to get us out of syria i'm just like i was saying this to dave smith not

not the last yesterday but the last time i was here i was like come on man i know the drone strikes are bad i know the bombing in afghanistan was bad but he set a timeline there were no new wars he tried getting our troops out of Syria. If I can take an inch from anybody back towards pulling our troops, I will take it. You know, to your point there, like, and this is one of my frustrations with libertarians, is there's always so there's so frequently looking for purity. And if you look like to look at the United States government and the United U.S. empire, global empire with military bases in 120 or something countries around the world, the idea that you should throw away someone that is trying to trying to pull back on the U.S. government government trying to actually make real cuts because they were unsuccessful when literally you're going to have the most powerful government in all of human

history working against you because that government has incentive to stop you from making cuts so for for for libertarians to do to to say things like oh you know that guy's total garbage because he there were some wars or there were still wars going on or he didn't end all the wars it's like think about the task that you're demanding this person do immediately or within four years with the amount of resistance that they're going to have to deal with right it is outside of realistic to say this person was elected and they didn't undo 250 years of encroachment on your liberties and blah blah in four years so they're all bad that is ridiculous it's a bit of a straw man of my position though no no i'm not saying it's you i'm saying i'm saying there are a lot of libertarians

like that you're absolutely right but here's the reality he he did not try to shrink the size of the government he did try to end some unconstitutional legal wars and god bless him for that but he also increased the size of the federal government significantly and he stood by during the most catastrophic decision of any president in my lifetime in terms of domestic policy which was the covid lockdowns and that's that is the like honest to god if it if it weren't for 2020 i probably would have supported donald trump i probably would have i i think i actually i think it's fair i view it this way like the libertarian argument you've got two guys who go back and forth whacking you with a stick and then finally you get a guy

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my attitude is just i think the the best i i choose the reformer position of man i know trump is far from perfect but he was a net positive and that's all that matters well i think on domestic policy and changing the dialogue amongst the American people, he was largely a net positive. The issue is that for whatever reason, being a businessman, being a businessman myself, I don't understand why he doesn't understand Fed policy more, why he doesn't understand that his browbeating of, I don't know if it was Powell at the time, I think it was, but trying to drive down interest rates even lower, wanting to pass trillions of dollars in stimulus spending during the COVID era without votes, without roll call votes, trying to drive down interest rates even lower, wanting to pass trillions of dollars in stimulus spending during the COVID era without votes, without roll call votes, trying to evict Massey, who's the greatest congressman of the past decade,

out of power because he wanted to have a roll call vote to have people on record for a $3 trillion spending bill, which is something that historically we would have never even considered as being feasible. There's just a lot of behaviors from him that goes counter to this narrative that he is actually a small government guy no he's a democrat but but that's not even that's not even my point because i don't disagree with you the only thing i disagree with on is massey i would say matt gates especially considering the fight with uh um with mccarthy sure but you know massey is pretty great i'm a big fan uh although you know he very much supported mccarthy we know that know that McCarthy behind the scenes was sabotaging people.

I agree, and that's bizarre. It's insane and brutal. But it really comes down to, for me, I mean, typically the most important thing is foreign policy. And my attitude has long been, I mean, this is just how I grow up, that the Unitedickers amongst it amongst its own people about the things we deserve and the things we've done wrong while everyone ignores the bombing the humanitarian crises the arming the the massacres i mean and and this is this is what this is why i mean it's kind of crazy to think it was obama before donald trump so we get donald trump and i'm like what's going on things are actually kind of okay. Like,

what do we have? What do we have with Barack Obama? Extra judicial, extra judicial assassinations. How many weddings did he blow up? The expansion of Middle East, Middle Eastern conflict, Syria.

Look at Libya. These outright disasters. These things. Blue hospitals too. Blue hospitals. No question. Donald Trump did better than Barack Obama. Yeah.

A million ways when it comes to foreign policy. Not perfect. A lot things too so for me it's kind of like this i've had friends who are like we deserve health care and i'm like okay let's talk about after we stop blowing up kids in yemen and and pakistan agreed and so when donald trump comes in and he's like no new wars timeline for getting our troops out get our troops out of syria and we watch the deep state lie to the american people and trump to keep troops in syria the only like i'll tell you trump should not have fired 59 tomahawk missiles at syria that's the one time the press started praising him right or the moab yeah so i look at anything else and my view really is and y'all can disagree with me by all means spam in the chat ones my attitude is my priorities over my view of say like a covid lockdown stuff and donald trump's role in it is a much lower priority to the united states

spending american taxpayer dollars or what i should say is extracting our buying power in order to wage war in foreign countries so when someone says yeah but trump did this covid thing i'm like you know what i gotta be honest i'd be willing to accept penance in in terms of some detriment to my quality of life if it means the u.s stopped doing all of that to be fair the reality is the inverse if the u.s stops doing all that in fact there's quite a good argument our lives would improve i agree so that's that's so i'll take trump that's a really important point because there's this there's this kind of myth that i think that the American people have been sold that in some way we have benefited. The average American has somehow benefited from the empire.

It couldn't be further from the truth. Our purchasing power is declining very rapidly. All of the people that have actually benefited from it have been the worst corporations, not in modern era than maybe in all of human history some of the worst actors out there the boeings and all these other companies that are actually literally just profiting by the billions based off of death and destruction of innocent people it's horrific but there's this there's this belief that like we have to police the world to kind of make it safe for the global economy. People don't consider the fact that all of these other nations have the same imperative. They have the same desire to have safe shipping lanes. There is no actual requirement that the American government be

the policeman of the world. We ought to handle regional security. Russia and China ought to be handling their portions of the Pacific to keep it safe, and we ought to be handling their their portions of the pacific to keep it safe and we ought to be handling ours but that's not how it's been it's been the american empire is expected to go and police everything and it is absolutely bankrupting us can i can i sort of point something out too based on what i just said i mean i don't know if it's coincidental at all that 2019 we see the best numbers of our lives economically I'm talking I'm not talking about government spending and stuff. We can absolutely criticize all that. But unemployment is way down.

Wage growth is improving. People are expressing this in polls at the same time that Donald Trump is actively working against the war machine. And I'm not saying I can definitively prove one for one. That's what it's all about. But I would like to just live in that reality. So by all means, please knock me out of it. Prove to me that our economy doing well in this time frame and Donald Trump's positions

on rejecting wars are totally unrelated. But I will accept it and I will roll that dice again. If Donald Trump can recreate 2018 and 2019 and further those missions. It's just it's there. And let him let him say all the naughty things. Let him say all the nasty things. And all of my like my views on how bad 2020 was. I'm just like, if the end result is we go through a hard period.

But four years later, our borders are more secure. Manufacturing has come back. We're no longer doing these insane trade deals with China. The American economy has dramatically improved. And the foreign wars have been whittled down. The U.S. Now our allies are actually paying their fair share as we pull our troops back because they shouldn't be in many of these countries. I mean, that is like a dream.

Yeah. I don't see. I don't think that Donald Trump is a gene who can make it all just perfectly come true. Right. But we had a little taste of it in his first term. it wasn't so bad i get so bad i get i get the argument i totally get the argument that here's the issue because i come from the austrian economics backdrop and because i was a finance guy i look at this and i and i look at the the elevated inflationary pressure that we're dealing with with nearing on 34 trillion dollars in our national

debt you have all of the debt carry that's necessary for that debt that is that is ultimately pressure that we're dealing with, with nearing on $34 trillion in our national debt. You have all of the debt carry that's necessary for that debt that is ultimately going to really put a damper on growth, GDP broadly. I think that we're facing a very severe recession. The other thing that people aren't really privy to is that because of the elevated interest rate cycle, all of the long-term debt instruments that the banks filled their books with over the past couple of years when the interest rates were at record lows, those are now upside down to the tunes of billions and billions and billions of dollars. So you have a potential banking contagion coinciding perfectly with a potential

national debt and fiat crisis. And then you also have the potential for a global recession. So the reason I bring all this up is to say, if you don't have someone who's in power soon, very, very soon, that is actually equipped to handle this, we're in a lot of trouble. And that's the primary reason that I can't give any sort of real endorsement for Donald Trump, is that he has not demonstrated a capacity to wrap his head around the severity of the situation that approaches us. And I feel like Vivek gets that. And that's the primary reason that if I had my druthers, Vivek over Trump all day. Trump-Ramaswamy 2024, would you vote for it?

Probably. Yeah, I definitely. I mean, there's a question. Yeah. I Trump, Ramaswamy 2024. Would you vote for it? Probably. Yeah, I definitely. I mean, there's probably. Yeah, I'd vote for Trump ham sandwich 2020. Just because, you know, obviously I would still rather a libertarian get in there. That's that's setting that aside because I understand how severe the financial situation is and because everyone I know and love lives here and I know that their retirement is on the line and their way of life is on the line.

Their safety and security is ultimately on the line with all of these potential fronts for World War III. It's super important that we get someone in there that is both non-interventionist, but also a fiscal hawk. We need both of those things very, very soon. We cannot continue to wait for a hero, but we need real changes on the most important things right now. But that's why it's a great argument to say support Vivek and when it comes to Trump, accept Trump. Yeah, well, and if Vivek is actually there to advise him, I would have a lot more faith in Donald Trump.

I hope and I beg and I pray that the very least, whatever happens, Vivek has some kind of advisory role with the Trump administration. If he doesn't, it would be a huge miscalculation. In fact, it would demonstrate that Donald Trump hasn't learned anything from filling his cabinet with some of the worst war hawks on earth. I'd still takeation. In fact, it would demonstrate that Donald Trump hasn't learned anything from filling his cabinet with some of the worst war hawks on earth.

I'd still take it. I mean, you're much more forgiving than me. But it's not about forgiving. It's about, you can, the options.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, I understand. You could say Donald Trump is bad for all these reasons and I'll say, yep.

And if it's no new wars, if dead stop in foreign invasion is all we get, that's four years I'll take. Yeah, like, would love to see you know the good dr ron paul run again and and i'd love to see him win um i'd love to see anyone that's going to make significant cuts at the bureaucratic level i'd love to see cabinet level positions totally abolished. But if all I can get is Donald Trump, then it's better than, you know, four more years of Biden or the actual problem. The Biden DEI stuff, too.

It's a big deal. Yeah, it's a big problem. It is really tearing at the fabric of civilization listen not not for nothing but like all of the the people that are pro-palestine in the u.s they're not pro-palestine because they're they have an affinity for islam they're pro-palestine because they they they understand it as a colonizer versus colonized yes uh dynamic comes from the critical theory and call And decolonization just means kill the people that have the power now. That's all it means. Straight up.

Franz Fanon didn't mince words in The Wretched of the Earth. And he clearly said, ideally, the colonized will become the colonizer. He will take his property. He will sleep in his bed. And under best circumstances, he'll sleep in his bed and under best circumstances he'll sleep with his wife that's what decolonization means so i don't entertain any of the left framing that or any of the framing from the left that isn't directly in like gaza like i get why the people in gaza are pissed off when you're dealing with Westerners that are taking the side of Gaza or taking a side against Israel, it's all because of leftist decolonization garbage.

And that stuff will come here if we allow those arguments to be made. It is here. Let me pull up this tweet from Elon Musk. It means a violence. We got this tweet here from Elon himself. He said, as I said earlier this week, decolonization and from the river to the sea and similar euphemisms necessarily imply genocide. Clear calls for extreme violence are against our terms of service and will result in suspension. This is also in response to Swipe Right.

Here's he's responding to himself. Yes, decolonization necessarily implies a Jewish genocide. Thus, it is unacceptable to any reasonable person. And this is what Colin Wright had said, to which Elon Musk responded. Decolonization is the woke version of jihad, and it should be viewed and treated that way. Wright responded to Elon by saying exactly when Hamas slaughtered Israeli civilians in the name of jihad on October 7th. The woke said this is what decolonization looks like. When they when they tell us decolonization looks like jihad we should believe them yes now here's the question uh do we

agree with a social media platform banning people calling for decolonization or for that matter even jihad no i think i think that it should be looked at just as just like any other time when someone calls for violence so if you if you have a a just like any other time when someone calls for violence so if you if you have a a platform that says we don't allow calls for violence then talking about decolonization and stuff then that's considered violence in my opinion if you don't if you allow anything then fine you know if if x if x allows other calls for violence and then they specifically say we don't like this. That's what I feel like, too.

They're calling calling people to commit violence is a crime. Now, the question is decolonization sits at that nexus point between academic rhetoric and instructing people to go and commit acts of violence. It's not illegal. So what they try doing is they say we're not calling for violence. We're saying decolonize. But we know what decolonize means. Even if they called for violence, if it's not an imminent threat with a day and a time it's not illegal the question is it knowing that this is not illegal should it be banned but there's been

there's been selective enforcement of calls for violence and things that are and are not violence there's been there one the left does tend to swear up and down that things are not calls for violence that clearly are calls for violence. They say that the protests and the riots, they say that those aren't violence. There is an ambiguity that the left continues to rely on when they're talking about things that they would call direct action. Riots are the cries of the unheard. Yeah, exactly. But it's an ambiguity they take advantage of.

I agree with that. That's a fair point. I think it is a fair's exactly but it's an i agree that's a fair point that i think it is a fair point but it's still not it's still referring to it still obfuscates the violent nature of it what what what phil is referring to is how the left will say we're going to engage in a direct action everyone wear all black and masks and gloves and show up at this time at this location and what does direct action mean direct action literally means breaking the law or committing acts of violence right i am not i'm not going to be cute and i'm not going to defend the left i have been at way too many leftist protests when they talk about peacefully protesting that's not what direct action is yeah direct action is a

phrase they come up with when they're referring to either blocking streets blocking doors fighting with cops or throwing things is it is that worse Is that just Antifa that does the direct action stuff, the black bloc? So in the early Occupy, I don't want to say early days because this goes way back. But I do want to give a shout out to our good friends who participated in the battle in Seattle, which was a protest against the WTO, by the way, by the left, for some reason. Now they're on the other side of this. But in New York, we didn't call them Antifa. We just called them the black bloc.

And we didn't call them anarchists either. Sometimes the word anarchist gets thrown around because it's used to convey the idea that everyone understands. Like if someone says the anarchists, we know they're referring to the people wearing all black. However, considering that half the people- I don't claim them. But considering half the people we were friends with

were literal anarchists who rejected that false philosophy of authoritarianism right we knew that wasn't correct so we just called them the black block leftists or black block extremists or the black block now everyone refers to it as antifa because the game they played back then was there is no black block black buck is a tactic not a thing right black buck is when people wear hoodies and it's like then why do the same people all the time have logos and wear the same clothes? Now it's the same thing with Antifa. Antifa's just an idea. It's not a group.

There's cells. There's chapters. They engage in violence. This is exactly why I, or this is indicative of the actual vulnerability that liberalism has. Liberalism takes the opposing view or the argument from someone else, takes it at face value, and treats every argument as if it is an honest argument. And if you're dealing with progressives or socialists, people that essentially disregard or reject the enlightenment values, they don't see a reason to be honest because power is the goal,

not honesty. So if they're looking to win and they want to go ahead and cover up violent actions or direct your attention elsewhere, they have no problem lying. See, my interest at this junction, being that I'm not really on the left or the right, is that I just want to see this de-escalate. And I don't want to ever endorse censorship protocols, particularly if they are kind of vague platitudes, like from the river to the sea or decolonization. That is just clearly not explicit enough of a threat for it to be illegal. It's certainly not illegal. Read Franz Fannin's Wretched of the world and it's clear but phil it's not but but but it's clearly legalities not it's not illegal but legality is not the standard that's something i brought up you know but he has brought that up he said it's it's legal or lawful but not awful remember when

he was talking about that or maybe it was his ceo that was saying it he elon musk's point was that you're not allowed to call for extreme violence on their platform. He did not say it has to be illegal. I said that. No, I know. But in the past, either Yaccarino. He said lawful but awful. Yes, exactly.

Where he said, if it's lawful. Well, I don't think in any court in the country you could actually get a conviction for someone saying that. I don't think Elon ever said all lawful speech would be permitted on the platform. Well, I took the lawful, awful but lawful as being like that was where the gray area. So that was a direct reference to what they would censor. Things that were lawful but awful would be censored. Oh, it was that direction. Okay, well then I misunderstood. So what their point was if it is lawful but awful, we will restrict it and hide it or worse.

And then who gets to define what awful is? Exactly, authority i have no idea like once you once you've gone down this pathway i mean we've already done this before that's what's so frustrating just a couple years ago we were doing rumble we've been going through with rumble everyone's up in arms about rumble right now dude it's the same shit rumble's gonna get hit with this chris is gonna make some stupid call that bans some dumb thing and chris i'm not i will put you on the spot because you haven't called me back lately but uh it's serious man you've got to decentralize that platform holding this stuff in one central area is a massive vulnerability and people can go crazy it's not the fbi can take your shit look elon's whole claim elon's whole claim for why he purchased

twitter or x was that he understands allegedly how important open dialogue and conversation are. The entire, when it was the left, when it was, hold on, hold on, hold on. When it was the left that was in control, that was absolutely banning anybody that was even like one degree to the right. All my libertarian friends got banned too, so I took this personally. The issue is that we understand that we're prepared in the battle, in the arena of ideas. We fear no man. I want to have these conversations. I don't want to see these people banned.

That just radicalizes them further. But you're talking about, so it's one thing to say that you're going to look, that you're, you want your platform to be an open exchange of ideas. Then the point is we are not going to censor perspectives. We are not going to censor ideas, right? So that's one thing. But then it's one thing that's different from saying, I want to kill all those people. The old Twitter, the reason that Musk bought it was because there were entire ideas that were not allowed to be articulated.

It wasn't that you couldn't say the N word or the K word or whatever swear. It wasn't about vulgarity. The vulgarity is what ends up getting people in trouble. It's not like you're never going to see Martyr Maid get booted from x because of the way because the way that he talks about stuff like he the whole fear and loathing in in new jerusalem that whole thing if he didn't come at the stories the way that he does and articulate them the way that he does if he if he did it loosely and like he was shit posting and stuff that all that stuff would be like anti-semitism get out of here if he was approaching it by being vulgar and stuff.

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And it used to be, before Musk, there were entire ideas that you were not allowed to share. You couldn't say that some that a man could not become a woman that would offend someone and that would get and that was ridiculous yeah the wuhan institute of virology i got suspended for that so i know that was a big deal but the point was it was about not preventing the sharing of ideas not about not saying things that were offensive well but see this is the issue is that this is still an idea because what you what you're talking about from from the river to the sea as you know

there are lots of people that don't feel that it is a call for genocide i don't believe them i don't believe i honestly i don't believe them really when people none of them i i think you think every single person that has said that i wants see a genocide. I think the vast, not a genocide, but they think that if, they think that it's fine to say it should be a democracy where everybody there gets a say and the Jews would be, and it should be

a one state solution and the Jews would end up getting slaughtered. I'm sorry, people are going to get mad at me for this, but I don't care. If people started marching around doing Roman salutes while uh you know they're doing a sieg heil are you going to be like not everybody actually believes when hamas puts out their charter and they include we read this this morning on the culture war hamas's original charter included the the the uh i think phil mentioned it was one of the hadiths which quite literally says the trees and the stones

will call out there's a jew hiding behind me yeah so that the Muslims can come and hunt them and kill them down, kill them. And their charter actually says that there will not be judgment day until they've killed the Jews. Like you can. It's fair point. Not everybody may mean that, but that would be akin to, you know, people going around doing a Roman salute. I'll give you a better one. I've seen I've've seen, I saw a family, extended family member of mine do the red salute at a march. And I'm just like, it's so funny how many, the fist, the fist where you show the fingers forward. And the reason why they do that. So there's, there's the victory fist where you can like hold your fist in the air and shake it. But the red salute is when you hold your fingers forward and I'm not going to make the fist on camera and it's because it represents that each individual finger is weak

but together is strong and you show your enemies so when i see people doing that i'm like i understand they don't literally want to to massacre and slaughter a bunch of people and they don't literally want a communist take a chant chanting from the river to the sea by all means we can say maybe that person doesn't really know but nonetheless you have a large group of people expressing the idea of hamas yeah and hamas's stated goal of wiping out jews i i don't disagree with with what would you think about if they let people say it with video and chat video chat but if you type the words on the network that gets blocked or banned the wait i'm sorry so we could say from the river to the sea we could say all the words that got elon's blocking or banning if we were

able to say it in video chat it would be okay because they can hear the tone they can see that we're talking about the idea but if we type it onto twitter it gets blocked or banned i see i still i still would rather not because of the ambiguity of this of the statement in question right if you were expressing the idea i think that the that israel should actually be palestine and it there shouldn't be any jews there like if you if you express that idea many of them don't believe that they do believe that there shouldn't be an israel they believe it should be palestine but they also believe that the israelis should just be folded into palestine yeah i don't think i don't think you get that i don't think that's an option that's that's okay i think well many of them do believe that when they say it and and and they're

to be to as fair as i can must be wrong because uh i just every time i ask the question what would happen if the if the barriers around gaza were removed and all palestinians were allowed free reign in israel what would happen will chamberlain says outright this morning, the most devastating pogrom we've ever seen. And the first thing Scott brings up is something of the right of return. And then I got to be honest, I don't see how a person could argue the land belongs to them. It was stolen from them. And then someone would say, but if we allow them all free movement within this territory there would not be conflict of some sort well i agree there would be

well scott actually responded with to to will in saying the israelis are not disarmed as if to imply it wouldn't necessarily be a pogrom it would be people getting shot and mass violence of some sort i don't want to speak for scott i like the guy yeah but my point is i think there would be violence i i i hate bringing i don't even care about making the issue specifically about israel my point is the left lies about everything all the time sure and the weakness we face is that the classically liberal american ideals and i don't mean modern liberal but the like as phil mentioned we take their arguments in good faith and try the try our best to to live and work together we are just they just uh run us over the coals every single

time not every time that's not fair to say they lie about everything every time is insane that's not okay and also the left now you're making semantics because obviously it's hyperbole you're journalist what you just said the left was about everything all the time and then you made it like that's a fact now let's move forward in the conversation based on this the the needless what you're saying is completely needless it conveys no idea to anybody everybody knows i'm not literally saying when they say the sky is blue i'm like they lied i'm talking about matters of substantial consequence 90 of the time they're lying that's also just a number you pulled out of your ass i i'm not saying people never lie, but just try, please be specific about it.

Do whatever you want, but it's hard. If you can't have a real conversation, I don't know what you're doing here. If the point is that in every major news story, Gaza hospital, fake, Gaza refugee camp, fake, they lied about two of the biggest stories. You're talking about the news organizations. I'm talking about the activists.

The activists who are on the street and Hamas activists. I talk about when they've lied about two of the biggest stories pertaining to what happened. They are lying. So when they come out and they say, oh, did you know Israel did this? I'm like, oh, please. Am I going to fall for this again? I don't know.

Are you believing everything that the Israeli government is telling us is happening too? Yeah. It's like, no, you can't pin it on the left. This is what I wanted to ask him about because he's made this point a few times over the past couple of weeks. And it's like, I agree. I'm very upset.

In fact, I had to put out a, an apology tweet about that hospital one, because I felt so bad that I was miss, I was misled. But this, I mean, this was major news organizations that were putting this out.

So I, you know, the New York times to this day has an article up saying that Brian Sicknick was killed by J6 protesters. I know. Look, I understand your anger towards them. What I don't understand is why that mislead is so offensive to you,

which I agree with. But then the IDF's misleads on this. When did I say it wasn't? Well, but you've brought up the left is constantly lying. It's like, but hasn't the IDF lied a lot too? I don't care about the IDF. care about in the united states american media american universities american leftists and liberals and people like adam schiff and if i go down the list of every

single thing they've lied about and how it is so it's the domestic policy side is what you care about i don't care about israel i don't care about palestine i don't care about myanmar i don't care about azerbaijan i care about the humanitarian crises in these places as much as equally as much as all of them. They're all bad. But the issue is domestic American leftists calling for decolonization, etc. They will come to you and say, we are simply saying that people deserve some kind of reparations. And then when you turn your back, they stick a knife in it. And I mean that figuratively.

But when the New York Times to this day has a story up that says brian sicknick was uh was killed i believe sicknick was named was killed and that story is totally false and the capitol police issued a statement saying it was natural call causes meaning non-external meaning it was not homicide and we know for a fact that's true they lied how come you got thomas massey he tells the truth how come you got matt gates he tells the truth how come you've got and i'm not going to give all the republicans credit no but it is consistently that you will read prominent conservative publications that will be fair even to their own detriment and liberal publications lie the majority of the time yeah in terms of domestic

policy sorry the reason i asked to clarify is because you know from my vantage point we have had fog of war deception on both sides of the israel palestine war if you want to talk about just broadly who's the most foolish shit when it comes to domestic news yeah it's clear i mean this is why trump came to power was he was telling fake news and and i want to point out we're going to jump to this next story in a second but i have to point this out as well. Twitter, what were Twitter's biases? No question left. Yep. 100%. And they were actively working with the United States intelligence agencies to suppress legitimate information in order to win political power. Donald Trump, in my opinion, would be president today if not for the intelligence agencies going on Twitter and Facebook and YouTube and telling them explicitly you will not allow people to share information pertaining to the Hunter Biden story.

He would have won. I guarantee the polls show it could be from like six to 10 percent. But outside of that, let's imagine even Trump would not have won. We know, thanks to Elon Musk, that the United States intelligence agencies were going to big tech and saying, you must do these things. Vijay Agadde was having regular meetings with them. And I want to jump to, and I want to add the election integrity partnership colluding with the U S government to censor me personally, as well as many other prominent individuals in politics. And they called me a super spreader of misinformation. Why? Two points. One, I retweeted, I think I retweeted Jack Posobiec and Elijah Schaefer one time. And that was their justification

to slander my name, even though I said Donald Trump did not win. And because typically my stories led with here's the lawsuits and the merits must be heard. And that is a threat to their manipulation. But how about this one? We have this story from Newsmax. One of the most important stories, and I'm going to, I don't know, I got to make some phone calls to make this happen. Bitchute calls on Rep Jordan

to investigate Parler deplatforming. Now this is explosive stuff. Bitchute, a video hosting social media platform, is calling on Jim Jordan to investigate the deplatforming of Parler, another social media website popular with conservatives as part of his House panel on government weaponization. In a letter to Jordan, Bitshoot's chief policy officer and former policy chief policy Parler chief policy officer Amy Pykoff wrote that Parler was likely deplatformed

via the same sort of coordinated effort that were alleged in the select subcommittee on weaponization of the federal government's recent report on the censorship industrial complex. This is explosive and is so far an allegation, but I believe it is fair to say that the probability lies in them being correct. Why did Parler get unilaterally removed instantly from all these companies smeared by the media instantly all at the exact same time. And it was all fake news. They argued that Parler needed to be removed because January Sixers were using it to coordinate, despite the fact they actually use Facebook. And despite the

fact the new evidence that's emerged shows the police were widely facilitating what was happening. It stands to reason that the U.S. government was threatened by the fact that large amounts of political individuals in the United States were leaving Twitter for a rival platform for which they had no control. And we now know, thanks to Elon Musk, whose purchase of Twitter is one of the greatest acts of heroism, shout out Elon Musk, because we're learning this. And when he leaked the emails revealing that Twitter, with its left bias, was heavily influenced specifically by the U.S. intelligence agencies. I would be willing to bet large sums of money.

Parler was removed. Alex Jones was banned because of government intervention. And I say this as someone who has proven definitively right now the U.S. government colluded to censor me personally. We're seeing this. I would like to see Jim Jordan, Matt Gates and anyone else. I want to see the documents relating to Parler because I'm willing to bet we are going to see something like an email that goes, we're really concerned about Parler. And hey, Apple, by the way, you do know that facilitating terrorism is a crime in this

country, right? And January 6th was an insurrection. They used Parler. Heaven forbid we accuse you of aiding and abetting terrorism. And then all of a sudden, Parler's gone. Well, and keep in mind too

that the reason Parler got taken down was because Amazon Web Services shut them down. And I think that they've got a lot of government contracts. They've benefited a lot. It was pulled from the App Store.

Well, that as well. Right. That as well. But I'm saying that they had to actually migrate their servers because AWS stopped doing business with them because of the allegations that were fraudulent from the federal government. The federal government has demonstrated time and time again that they have their tendrils into every social media network of any magnitude whatsoever. And Parler came about, kind of had this fast rise that looked like it might actually be a competitor for Twitter or something else. And they were like, can't have that. We have our, we have fought long

and hard to get our hands of the FBI, the CIA, DHS, everybody else into Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, across the board. And they're like, we can't have you guys having another outlet. Sorry. So we're going to make it go away. And people think that like, this is where i get pissed is that instead of us just talking about that like i appreciate tim's anger about this because we ought to be furious do we i mean do we know what we're actually talking about this is the land of the free right this is america right and and we have all we just accept the fact that every single thing we do on the internet is spied on by the federal government you know when i was when i was growing up that would have been laughable and we would have never even considered it a possibility now it's a given think about how how far i almost cussed how far

we've we've transitioned if you will remember when that dare dni guy lied to congress about spying on the american people yes yeah it was was it clapper yeah it was james clapper i with anger i i kind of feel like art of war style when you're angry don't show it thing because i'm beyond like enraged about the last seven years but i'm acting like i'm just this happy-go-lucky guy because i really want to change it yeah me too if you get angry you become a target so i don't know if see i'm okay with being a target because i want people to change it. Yeah, me too. And if you get angry, you become a target. So I don't know if... See, I'm okay with being a target because I want people to know

that they're not alone in their exasperation. I'm so exhausted by the tyranny that we languish under. And there's a lot of people out there that just accept it. They just go like, it is what it is. I reject that wholeheartedly. It is not necessary that we suffer this forever we are you know i don't go much into birthright type of stuff but if there is a birthright of every american it is that we can speak freely we can defend ourselves you know there's there's a

handful of like really sacrosanct type of beliefs and ideals that we uphold and it seems like very few people take that seriously they look at their politicians that are constantly infringing upon them and they accept it they just go it is what it is clint you know it's tyranny that's where we're at that's not okay we can't live like that if you expect the america that we knew and loved to actually sustain itself to to be there 10 20 30 years from now we We have to actually vocalize our anger towards the system and actually demand that it change. And I appreciate your kind of Buddhist outlook on it,

but I really think that there needs to be some anger demonstrated. Even if it puts the sights on me, I just don't care. I don't. It may be that it's unstoppable, the corruption is unstoppable, that we need to build systems that can't be tampered with. Like Parler should have been a system that couldn't be taken down, like a decentralized web network, like a mesh network or something. I'm sure.

It's like, how do we hit this whack-a-mole thing? It's unstoppable. I'm sure could they do it over, they would have done so. But the truth is they're gone. Parler is basically gone at this point. Because in the rise of a social media, this is what's so nefarious about it. they would have done so. But the truth is they're gone. You know, parlor is basically gone at this point. Cause like in a, in a, the rise of a social media,

this is what's so nefarious about it. In the rise of a social media network, there's this, I mean, there's the exponential growth phase that you have to hit if you're going to succeed. And if you don't hit it, or if you're,

if you're derailed mid that, you know, that exponential rise, you're toast. So all the, all the federal government has to do from here on out, like exactly what they're doing with TikTok, threatening that they're going to ban TikTok.

I'm not a fan of TikTok. That's not the point. You give them that precedent. You allow them to just shut down one of the most successful social media apps of all time, maybe the most successful. And what do you think they're going to do from there? Well, all of a sudden, Elon Musk acquires Twitter.

Got to ban that, right? Because we already have the precedent. He's allowing some sort of CCP propaganda to be pushed. to not have constant monitoring and and constant you know the government or or maybe not even just the government but constant overwatch from a from a large entity because i know that there's a lot of people that now are speaking very you know we can't let this happen and blah blah blah blah etc because this is still new stuff i don't think in two generations anyone's going to even think about not being monitored all the time well because i don't think that i don't think the option i i think that there are teenagers now

that just accept it as part of reality of course it's a part of the like it's a part of living in modern society and i don't see how that's going to be i don't again like i don't see the off ramp i don't see how how we we convince people that the convenience is not worth it because that's really what it's what it's about oftentimes the pendulum doesn't swing back until the pain is great enough, right? And I feel like the reason I'm so loud about this stuff is that you're right, Phil, that the vast majority of young people have never- Because we've got forever. Like just barring some kind of extinction event, it's this problem never goes away for the rest of the time that there are human beings. Well, the surveillance capacity never goes away, but that doesn't mean that you can't have rules and regulations that apply to the government as far as what they're allowed to do and what criminal punishment they have to pay if they violate this.

I don't see how we get any kind of rules or regulations. It's going to happen in some countries. It's just like, do you want to be here? No, no. You don't think how we get any kind of rules or regulations. It's going to happen in some countries. It's just like, do you want it to be here? No, no. You don't think it'll happen anywhere? I don't think that there's going to be, I don't think that there's any society that currently has the ability

to force their government to do anything anymore. Damn, that's dark. You got to build it. Wait till the AI takes over. I know. Honestly, we've had this conversation, Tim, like mom, I like once you get,

you know, chips that can are implanted in most people's brains. And again, these are problems that don't go away. This isn't like, oh, we'll solve it this generation. And then we don't have to worry about it in the next generation or the following generation or three generations down.

Once this genie comes is let out of the bottle it is something that for as long as there is industrialized community uh you know modern society this problem does not go away i see like the law evolving to computer software code so like instead of having a law on a paper somewhere like i hope we're all abiding by that thing it's actually part of the structure of our ability to communicate the laws are written into the way things work so there's no ability for a government or foreign entity to violate the law or the the code of the system you're you're you're you're neglecting pirates you're neglecting to think about real meat machines that don't want it's kind of like saying like hey send me some send me an ice cream cone on twitter you can't because it can only send

certain types of things because the code is such that only certain types of things can be transmitted so if that's your system you can like you know uh observing from the outside isn't part of that code considering the conversation that we've had so far tonight talking about what was done to parlor what makes you think that that will ever be a possibility what what benefit how like why would the people that currently control the levers of power why would they allow that yeah because right now i think that there's a there's the people that the powers that be have enough control where i think it's already too late. I think you could still build it using like blockchain technology and have decentralized. Yeah.

I don't think I think that I think that it would take the will. I think that people don't have the will to push back against it because that's what I'm working on. Modern society is so convenient. Your average kids don't know what they like that we see tiktoks and we make jokes about tiktoks all the times we're of kids that don't have any idea how society works gen z 2021 80 supporting same-sex marriage 2023 65 i'm not making a moral statement i'm saying opinions shift dramatically and things could change i've noticed if you spend a lot of time with autistic software developers you're

you'll get a lot more hope because they all already know that it's possible it's just you're just constantly gonna be chasing the tail it'll be we'll create new systems that can't be tapped with and then i just wanted to add something as a total aside um because i you mentioned something they may think of this and i checked crickets are already in your food you're already eating crickets yeah and so uh they don't they don't list the ingredient as cricket it's called a cheddar and so this this it's not ubiquitous but the products exist where you might not realize that the cheesy puffs you bought will say in the ingredients you know like corn flour cheese enzymes a cheddar yada yada yada and then

you're like oh and you don't realize that they put cricket in there without telling you acheta is a genus of cricket yep so i saw this on facebook you mentioned something about where we're headed and eating the bugs and all that stuff and i you look it up and it's like yeah that the ingredients list will say acheta see i am i am totally i am totally unprepared to accept the inevitability that i will be eating crickets for the rest of my life. You might not. Or being surveilled for the rest of my life. I reject it outright.

I will not go along with this no matter how challenging it is. I'm saying that this problem doesn't stop because we think we found a solution for this generation. It's the same thing that Reagan said. The problem of freedom versus tyranny? That never stops either. Yeah, exactly. Like Reagan said, liberty is never more than one generation away from being lost exactly and so this fight is eternal the failure that we have or the failures that have now compounded to produce

young people that are saying osama bin laden was right the failures are ours. They are Gen Xs. They are the boomers. They belong to the millennials. No, no, no. I will add this. It is entirely possible that it is not our fault that young people on TikTok are doing these things. If you're walking down the street and someone lobs a snowball to back your head

and it hits you, is that your fault that happened, right? China, TikTok, influence operations, we may have just been caught off guard. So you can make the argument, well, you should have known it was possible. And that's fair. If you're walking down the street in a neighborhood

and it's snow everywhere, you should realize there's a chance someone might throw a snowball at you. And so you should be vigilant, I suppose, though getting hit with a snowball is not the biggest deal in the world. Should we have been prepared for Chinese-run influence operations in this country? Yes.

But I do think it's fair. It's possible. We can say it's not any generation's fault. They just attacked us. I still haven't seen, like, much along the same lines of these Iranian-backed militias and these Iranian-backed funded trained. Every time the U.S. or Israel is struck,

it's always Iranian-backed. Like, that's immediately what they report. I've never seen any evidence of it. Similarly, I've never seen any evidence of the CCP actually modifying their code for the U.S. version of TikTok to propagate something that's destructive. Because don't they have a separate code for... They have a different...

It's a totally different company in China. Okay, well, then same. Okay, so... So hold on. When the start of the Israelrael palestine conflict there were uh 10 to 1 pro-palestine posts versus pro-israel yet the pro-palestine posts were getting no views after what like almost like a day into the next week the views went tenfold and so that's indicative of an algorithmic change i'm not saying I know for sure.

My point is, TikTok is loaded with values that are subversive to the United States and it's a Chinese-run company. It's owned by ByteDance, which owns BuzzVideo, CapCut, ByteK.com, Pico, Lemon8, TweetTail. Oh yeah, if you use CapCut to make videos, you're sending those videos directly to China.

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It's all private code. Well, then I guess we won't know. But be fair well tiktok may be chinese communist propaganda facebook and youtube are american communist propaganda exactly so and this is why i i struggled to like get my uh whatever that term is good i i can't really get upset about tiktok when it's like well i have my own government here no i i disagree i mean we absolutely look the united states does bad things all the time but we're being actually attacked by a foreign adversary to destroy our future generations that's that's pretty see well no it is but the the difference between you and i is that i perceive the federal government's manipulation of us as also attack of our future

generations and our current one i've i view the federal government in america as a far greater threat than any foreign government on earth no No, I think that is way wrong. I'm being totally honest. You think that if you were conquered by the CCP, you'd be like, this is better than the U.S. government? No, no, no. That's not what I'm saying. There are other governments that are far worse. My point is the greater threat to me and my loved ones at present is the federal government of America.

That I understand. Do you understand the distinction? Yeah, I get it. I get it. Okay. Because do I actually think that thep is going to come over here and actually mess up my life probably not do i think that the the feds well okay fine so in the periphery but i'm saying the feds could actually put me behind bars tomorrow because i said

something on my podcast but this is the worrying thing okay it it with we see this every day with tiktok that we're we got banned from tiktok we created a new account i guess what you're allowed to do i don't know the list of things you're not allowed to talk about on tiktok it's basically if you are an lgbtqia2 plus communist you're fine anything else so we actually have a list of, because we follow the rules, doesn't matter if you follow the rules. There's secret TikTok rules. And so we have a social media list of like,

okay, here's the things that if no matter what, no matter what you say, you mention it, they ban you. That's TikTok. TikTok's list is massive. Facebook is pretty bad, and YouTube is actually the least bad.

I'm sorry, X is now the best. Right. You can say a lot on X. Is Rumble not better than X? Rumble and X are comparable. I think Rumble's probably better. But yes, in terms... I don't even want to bring up X because it's kind of a given, but considering it was originally part of the Big

Three, but YouTube is better than Facebook. I'll put it that way. TikTok and Instagram are nuts. I agree. This is why I'm surprised that Phil was okay with facebook i'll put it that way see that this is tick tock is is an instagram are nuts yeah no i agree this is why i'm surprised that phil was okay with banning of the the river of the sea and the decolonization because it's like we fought so hard we were so thrilled to see elon take over x to to kind of liberalize the the speech dynamics there but yet this is this is such a danger that you're okay with it it's it's It is the greatest danger to the United States.

Decolonization and the left. But the word saying it though? The cultural revolution that we're going through right now is unquestionably the greatest threat to the United States and to society. The people that live in the United States. Absolutely. I think the more imminent threat is World War III. But I will agree with you that the Marxist revolution is a close second from my perspective. That doesn't change the fact that I don't believe censorship actually addresses a Marxist revolution.

In fact, I agree. I think it would seek to embolden it. And it would radicalize them extremely. It would not radicalize them. They're already plenty radicalized. That's the exact argument they make against the alt-right. They say, you can't radicalize them already they're already radical then they go over to you know uh pepe central and then they get a lot more radical yeah but when you go to when you deal

like right now on twitch there are people that constantly have conversations what do we do with the police after the revolution right they're like what do you do with the cops once you've dissolved the state you're going to need the cops they're already talking about the the precursor conversations to put them in the gulags like these are the precursor conversation what do you do with the police when you've when you've got rid of the state well you got to do something with them because they're all these people that know how to carry out direct action stuff yeah and what do you do with them well what the communists historically have done is killed them okay in these and and so these conversations who's going to enforce these these censorship protocols and who are they actually going to go after they're going to go after these these black

block kids are they going to go after you and me so they're not going to go out the the federal government i don't think the federal government should be doing any of that because i haven't said i haven't said the federal government should do any of it i'm talking about if you're talking about like uh like applicator uh terms and stuff like that and when it comes to the actual like how do you stop the spread of it it It's get out of schools. Get rid of critical pedagogy in schools. Get rid of all of that Marxist stuff. And get rid of DEI. DEI, all that stuff.

Let's jump to the story. None of the stuff I'm talking about is government stuff. I'm really looking forward to reading this headline. This is from Fox News. LeVar Burton threatens to strike women because they don't like his books. Here's the real headline lavar burton accused of threatening physical violence against mom's group at book award

ceremony so what he had said was are there any moms for liberty here no then we won't have to use hands is that what he said yeah so and then good then then hands will not be neat and will not need to be thrown tonight this is a really shocking thing to hear. And the question is, how do you get to the point where LeVar Burton doesn't know and doesn't care about pornographic material being given to children? I want to give a shout out to Taylor Hansen. Put up a great video on Tenet. Tenet Media, watch him on YouTube. He goes around asking people, do you think they should ban books from schools? And they're, no, no, of course not. And he goes,

okay, read this for me. And then they go, no. He's like, should that be in school? No. And he's like, okay, well, those are the books they're banning. And they're like, oh. So how do you have someone like LeVar Burton? I view this as the banality of evil, right? This is to me the same thing as the guy doing the salute to hitler without knowing why he's selling or caring about what hitler's plans were this is a guy who is saying he is threatening physical violence what you call it a joke call whatever you want he actually said we don't got to throw hands in reference to moms who are like please don't show my kids porn right the name of the group is actually moms for liberty and he's like i don't have to throw hands with these moms it's like you think you're the good guy how how crazy

is it that we've gotten to this point where people are just like yeah we're going to threaten violence against women because of the ideology and by the way that ideology that they uphold they're like fans fans of the bill of rights he's threatening to strike women yeah he's threatening to strike women and we got to this point in 2014 2015 so it's been a decade yeah i know that i've been taking heat for saying no you don't punch nazis forever and the reason you don't is because it is illiberal because we're a liberal country and if you are going to actually engage with ideas you don't get to say i don't like your ideas so i'm gonna punch you and that it started out with punching nazis and everyone was afraid to say no you don't want to punch nazis because everyone's afraid of sounding like they're defending nazis you don't punch nazis but you also don't censor commies phil no uh commies

aren't people so there's different there's a different thing no but that's that's a legitimate legal statement and i know i know but it's an important distinction right josie uh pointed out the the 1964 civil rights act actually excludes communists and that's kind of crazy that's crazy incredible because it's an idea it's not it has nothing to do with it's extraordinarily based but i still disagree with it i believe in free speech even for communists even if they're not people. I don't. That's fine. But yeah, so I lost my train of thought there. Well, let me just add something real quick, because kind of real breaking news was that

Paramount Global is also now suspending advertisement on X. So you now have Disney, Warner, Paramount Global, and Lionsgate. Basically, everybody that makes movies in this country is suspended. This is, it's a coordinated assault it is related to parlor related to elon attacking the deep state it has nothing to do with anti-semitism they just need an excuse yep boycott these companies subscribe to timcast.com subscribe to mug club subscribe to the daily wire subscribe to liberty lockdown dot locals.com uh and uh at Liberty Lockdown on Twitter. Look, I am very disturbed. This is like another iteration of the same ESG dynamic that I was

kind of talking about very aggressively a couple of years ago, is that you have this manipulative, these tools now where the federal government is able to influence private business to circumvent our God-given rights, the Bill of Rights. That's what they do. That's exactly why the ESG framework exists. That's exactly why DEI exists, is that there are constitutional protections that they can get around as long as they use these allegedly private entities to do so. And this is why I don't support any sort of censorship on social media, especially when you realize that it's not usually a private entity that is making these decisions. There is a lot. A lot of this is happening from a very high level where they're essentially manipulating the broader public and they're controlling the dialogue and the dynamic between us as human beings.

This is the whole reason Elon allegedly bought X was that he understood that if we didn't have conversations with one another, we would end up fighting each other in the streets. And we're headed back towards that because these people are trying to force him into a course correction by absorbing his advertiser revenue. That's what they're doing. It's clear. Sorry, Phil. No, it's just that the idea that phrases can't be said is one thing. It's different when you're talking about ideas that can't be shared. So the idea behind, and I think that it's okay to say you can't say from the river to the sea, because that is a shorthand, essentially a slang term for an idea.

Explain your idea, because if you explain it then you can't hide behind from the river to the sea do you mean kill all the jews is that what you mean what are you talking about don't don't give me from the river to the sea tell me what you mean and then they go it means that palestinians will have equal rights well again but then it then it's dragged out into an actual conversation and you can talk to them which is again the problem isn't the problem isn't we need to ban these ideas from being shared when you say we don't want these phrases what you're saying is we don't want you to be able to hide and that's essentially what it boils down to is they hide behind these phrases

banning these phrases is actually how you force these people back into hiding no no no because you make them actually articulate their idea i'm not saying you kick them off or get rid of them for being that's what elon's talking about he's talking about saying that if you're if you're genocidal but no he said he said that he's said fair point to phil they will now have to explain what their argument for decolonize is instead of just saying decolonize and every time we hear that's a fair point every time we talk about from the river to the sea people talk about no well it means this and it doesn't mean that it and it then it gets all real you know real tough to nail down what they're talking about which is something that the left thrives on that's part of the reason why they don't you're like part of the reason why they

don't have a that's part of the reason why they use the same vocabulary but don't use the same dictionary because they want to be able to hide their intent that's actually a tactic they use but but you you've already admitted that they lie. You've emphasized that a lot. So what do you think? I just don't understand. Oh, now we've banned these four words in this particular order, so now they have to explain it differently, and that's going to somehow

help us? Like if they type from the sea to the river? What if they type F-T-R-T-C? But this is exactly what my camp had to go through three years ago when it came to COVID. I had to shift all of my language to try and stay out of the censorship. Well, it's still the case.

Gen Z says unalive. They don't say killed. Exactly. It's really neurotic when you see the F word with a star where the U is just because they're like, I'm afraid that daddy's going to demonetize me. Afraid. It's a fact they will. It's just a shit show that people are afraid that daddy's gonna demonetize me afraid it's a fact they it's so such just a shit show that that people are afraid that if they type a couple of letters it's gonna drastically change

their life like but it does right but it shouldn't is my point i and agree and if people go on youtube and they say so and so killed you get demonetized instantly if you say unalived you're fine you gotta be the word killed with like an exclamation point for the eye and you're like you already aren't allowed to say i'm gonna kill this person or kill that person these the that's that's not what i'm talking about if you if i want to do a story where i say police officer accused of killing teenager i'm demonetized instantly yeah if i say you i have to come up with very clever ways to explain it because it's not a human being that is telling what to do it's a machine that doesn't understand anything so also you got to use clever things like teen's life lost after police you know

a police officer fires weapon and then it's like people know what i said but the algorithm doesn't i'm basically having to do a captcha with every title i make in a video right i kind of align with letting the network owners ban whatever they want i think that we're at that point i don't want the government to intervene so you can't do that with your network no one gets speech if elon wants to ban all women and everyone that typed the letter i he can do it it's his network but that's also why i want these people to have to free their software code so if you abuse your network like that he can start one with that same code all of the code is is you can check the code on on x not all of it some of it some of the algorithm he freed

uh but i don't know according to bill who i talked to ceo of minds.com bill upman he said there's like 80 more to do well i i mean yeah i i think that i think that that's part of my problem with your your your take on freeing the code and stuff most people don't know and they're gonna have to go to someone else to ask anyone even if it was freed you're gonna look at it and be like what is this yeah most people like it doesn't be like and and most people like so you're you're still gonna outsource outsource the information to someone you trust but what happens is if clint's got the network and he's abusing it because he's banning people that are typing the word okay but then you spin up the same network and you don't ban people that say okay i, I'm going to switch off his and go to your network.

And it's going to be seamless because the code's interoperable. So I can just go to whatever network has better terms. How much does it cost to hire a coder to make a version of Twitter? One guy to probably take about 17 years and about 900 million. It would take a long time. And then you got to imagine Twitter's building every moment that you're building. So they're constantly getting ahead of you and they have more developers. But I'm going to ask you this question.

Like if someone wanted to spin up something that was akin to Twitter right now, how much money would they need? Let's just say. How many hours would it take one guy to build that? I didn't say one guy. I'm talking about someone wants to start a company. Okay. Okay.

A guy wants to start a company and he's like, we're going to compete with Twitter in the way you're describing. Like, this is a real question. What is the capital required for someone to compete with Twitter? It'd be be man hours how many man hours do you need um how many coders do you need how many hours will it take how much do the coders cost it's a lot i don't know it's a lot are we talking like a hundred million dollars i'm asking serious it's a legitimate question i think it might be plus you need to run keep it thing running which is super expensive because i mean he all right so just put it like this elon acquired twitter for what 54 billion 40 44 billion 44 okay so if he could just build it for 200 million

well then obviously the network effect and all of the users matters tremendously so that's that's the premium he's paying but ip so that's that i don't think there's a one for one there no it's not but i'm just saying i'm just saying it's it's got to be significant to build one from scratch uh well right i'd imagine it's going to be like a hundred million yeah i don't try not to think of it in terms of money it's more about how many hours you could probably like look mines exist and mines has a lot of this functionality too it didn't cost that much money how much did mines cost to get to where it is uh how many it's more about hours because like guys can work for cheap or they can work for expensive and so there's an average there's a there's a median salary for for software developers and back end and front end and full stack etc etc probably oh my gosh off the top of my head

three three hundred thousand man hours is that about right that sounds like a lot that's let me make one more point about let's say what is it what is it 70 70 bucks an hour or something roughly i mean yeah roughly but like the ceo was working he's worth like a thousand hours an hour so that's 210 million yeah i mean this number is off the top of my head without really thinking too deep about it i'd do it one guy does i could be wrong 50 hours a week it's 21 million and this is why the the concept of freeing the code to the extent that someone could create their own version is impossible because like every other time this has been this has been attempted before too

that what you're describing it results in companies abandoning the project because of a lost investment right yeah you would just be duplicated if the code i mean if they did that that would but this has happened because then someone would just pick it up and keep keep it running no they abandon it there's tons of like if elon abandoned twitter someone would pick it up and keep running it but he but he would abandon it what happens is tons of... Like if Elon abandoned Twitter, someone would pick it up and keep running it. But he would abandon it. What happens is, if someone's like... It's not about saying,

we're going to stop the company and cease to exist. It's, hey, how much does it cost for us to spin up a company? It's going to cost about $200 million. And then once we do, the government will seize

all of our intellectual property and give it away for free. Okay, we don't do that. Yeah, exactly. It would prevent the investment from the get-go. Well, you don't free it until it is in the commons and i but there will be justification for it being useful to the the people do you mean like once it reaches a certain level of yeah yeah yeah well i wouldn't want to every company would say we're full sorry only

999 million allowed yeah that's probably true i'm not going to give up billions of dollars of investment and man hours to the government no no nobody private no private entity is going to want to give up power to the government but that's not what antitrust laws are for it's not about oh sir may i take your power from you it's no you've developed something that we the people utilize so we the people are taking control of it and the point is people would look at look at the investment and say so the company and the initial investment round when they're discussing their plans, they're going to say the project we have in mind is called Twixer where you can post these photos, videos, and share ideas. The growth period we're looking at is going to be over five to ten years. The initial investment we're seeking is going to be around $200 million. We'll do it multiple rounds.

And we expect a cap at $999 million for regulatory reasons. There will never be more users than that. And that's how average business operates. So if you're going to make social media network to make money, you're in it for the wrong reasons. Oh, that doesn't matter. But come on. You can't.

But that's not what this, this is not a money making scheme. What are you talking about? This is like telling people. Okay, hold on. Ian, your morals are fine. Doesn't change anything I just said. About what? That you would just cap out it?

How would you do that? You just stop letting people in at $999? You've been in investment meetings. Yeah. Okay. Investors are going to say, here's our business plan. They're going to say, the investors are going to say, what are, okay, thank you for your plan.

We see how you're going to make money. We see how many users are going to have, we see how much it's going to cost. Now, what are the pitfalls? Everyone who's pitching to investors has to also include here are our risks and they're going to say well as you know the u.s government has implemented a law that a 1 billion user after 100 million users your code becomes public property therefore we avoid this by putting a cap at 99 million and then the other guys don't and they go up to 900 000 million 9 billion users or 4 billion users and they're still getting ad revenue

even though their software code's free. Here's where I think you're both probably a little bit off base is that in reality, once you get to 99 million users, you would just buy off a politician to give you a cutout and then you would grow above that threshold anyway. I gotta be honest, it's actually much simpler than that. They say once we start

exceeding 99 million, we start having a runoff room called Twoxer 2 two which is a separate company that will that will have a networking through mastodon which will connect the users and we will avoid the regulation the fundamental problem that you're just glossing over though is once you have insecure property rights like you're describing right so it becomes and once it hits a certain level then the it becomes nash discover the magic of Bad MGM Casino, where the excitement is always on deck. Pull up a seat and check out a wide variety of table games with a live dealer.

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If you have questions or concerns about your gambling or someone close to you, please contact Connex Ontario at 1-866-531-2600 to speak to an advisor free of charge. BetMGM operates pursuant to an operating agreement with iGaming Ontario. If you have insecure property rights, those kind of problems... I'm not talking about nationalizing anything but continue well okay so if you if if you can't invest and then take the result the the benefits of of the investment that kind of insecure return on investment it travels through your whole economy and it screws up your whole economy that's one of the reasons why socialist countries don't work no one wants to invest in a socialist country if they're not going to get the return on their investment. But you don't lose the code when it becomes free.

You still have your network. It still functions exactly. But it's not proprietary. It's not. But yes. There's a lot of value in not having competitors. You're basically offering as many competitors as possible. We should ask Sam Altman what he thinks about keeping his code private at OpenAI now that he's been ousted from the company.

He has no access to the code now. All that code that was built by his company is no longer... He can't read it because it's private. And we're all... Wasn't OpenAI supposed to be an open source nonprofit? It started off as a charity and then in 2019 they made it a private company. So good. So good what? I'm glad he lost it all. Elon Musk

talked about this because he gave a lot of money saying how did this turn from a nonprofit public good into a private corporation to enrich people? Yeah, exactly, man. Social networking is dangerous. Sam Altman being booted. You know, it's a danger for the company that like that code belongs to some foreign entity. Now it's we don't know who is. Oh, bro.

But but things belong to people all the time. Like like Lockheed Martin owns powerful warships. Yeah, I know. Oh, no, heaven, someone's got a gun. And sometimes people don't own them, or we collectively own things like the roads. If it's collectively owned, it's just the government. Do we collectively own the roads? Yes, the humans.

As soon as the government says you can't get on that road, that road is shut down. But actually, Ian, you're wrong, especially in Chicago. There's a company that actually owns them. They own the rights to the roads. The rights, but they can't shut the roads down whenever they want. They can do a lot more than that. They can have your car destroyed. They can take your car from you and the government.

That's a dangerous precedent, man. Absolutely. That's the whole point. Thanks for agreeing with me that privatizing certain entities of reality are dangerous. No, no, no. The federal government could put us all in prison tomorrow. Monopolizing via the government who then sells your rights to a single private entity, is a disaster. Oh, wait, you gotta say that again. That didn't make any sense.

Okay, so in Chicago, what happened was the city sold the rights to all, to the streets, to a single private company. Why? What the hell? What happened? It's been 20 years since I've been in Chicago, man. More than just naming rights? No, no, like, they had the rights to enforce uh uh it was it was for parking specifically but this means that if you're on the road and the private company deems you to be in violation they have your car towed and they can have it destroyed that is not a good path yeah it's so this is the the it's fascism right the lucrative merger of state and

corporate entities to uh subvert but but uh i digress. The ultimate point here is that when you say at a certain level the IP of the company should be released to the public for use, the issue becomes, one, it's an impossible standard to uphold. People will just bypass this in various ways. Like, I think you brought this up,

that when Rockefeller's gold, was it Rockefeller's oil? Yeah, Standard Oil Company. He just got richer when they did it. They broke it into six companies, and he had stock in all six of the new companies, so then he got even more wealthy. Exactly.

Yeah, I don't think breaking companies apart is the way to go. Most of those guys that were attacked with antitrust movements, they ended up being the progenitors of the Federal Reserve. Once you get to a certain level of power and wealth and influence, it's basically impossible to use the government to actually crush these people because they own the government. It becomes a situation where they're in conjunction with the government. The fact that there is FBI desks at Facebook and at Google and stuff,

that is essentially having the federal government involved in the day-to-day operations of these companies. If you open up a dictionary to fascism, it would be a photo of an FBI agent sitting in Facebook's headquarters. And that's the same thing that the CCP does. There is a person that represents the CCP at all of the companies in china so i this is why i talk about freeing the code because i think that if you wanted to prevent these companies from getting richer after their stuff is broken apart you you just you allow the world access to

the software itself so that that would that would that would the government and the company no longer have it anymore they can't control anymore also, I think we should start with TikTok and just force any foreign social network that wants to operate on U.S. soil over a certain amount of users, free your software code to AGPL3. I got one better. All social media companies must publish the algorithm code.

Their recommendation algorithms must be public. The proprietary IP for how the system functions outside of that they can keep they also have to make it agpl3 which is uh afro general public license 3 meaning that any changes made to the code are also publicly available so that someone can't just take the prop the newly public code into private and change it and make it better you can't do that it always stays like an ever-expanding um i mean these are all city of blocks these are all laws that that would take the government to enforce and as soon as you have government working with

companies you you invariably get collusion that's the reason good no no we're gonna jump so oh yeah yeah i mean it that's the reason why that that's the reason why you have all these problems with banks in the government is because the federal reserve and the banks work together hand in hand and as much as like from the outside it looks like they're working together to take care of each other they're trying to do what is going to harm the fewest amount of people like the reason that they bailed out the banks in in 08 and stuff was because they were trying to trying to lessen the damage to the economy which would have hurt everybody so as much as i am for cutting the the ties between government and the private sector um i don't think that it's as easy as we want wish it was is honestly my my

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the sweat of your face shall eat bread wait was that what it says by the sweat of your face you shall eat bread okay is that from something i don't know that is biblical passage i'm not familiar with i don't know all right what do we have john mcgee says judge has ruled that trump will be on the ballot in colorado so trump has now won in michigan minnesota and colorado are there any that are still in doubt uh there any every every other one i guess they're all yeah i mean that's that's a good start for the insurrectiony guy apparently though jason dixon says on discord only kellen and serge timcast member only on discord tomorrow at 10 p.m eastern join the discord and join the community that's right when you become a member at timcast.com go to timcast.com click join us the instructions on

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Is that what the plan is? I don't know everything exactly. Callan's been kind of taking care of it for me, but I guess that is the plan. So we'll see. Yep. All right. T-Rex Pet Shop asks,

Tim, do you know much about the new FCC regulations on internet access? What does it mean? No discrimination based on income level free internet? 20% off T-Rex Pet Shop next week with code Black Friday. Thanks for that, Super Chat, as well as a good ad for yourself. I don't know enough about it., but I can just tell you, based off of the phrasing being used, it's almost certainly DEI-style framework, which is diversity, equity, inclusion. They're going to make it so that they're going to push equity. Anytime you hear equity, you should hear communism. They're going to push equity when it comes to the internet service providers. Eventually, no white people allowed on the internet. Probably. Honestly. Let's see what we have here. providers eventually no white people allowed on the internet basically probably honestly let's see what we have here spider-man 200 says remember tim according to jenka those cops are right-wingers fine so be it let's play their game if they want to make that argument then i will side with aoc

and say yeah all the capital police who are hunting these people down and building up these offices around the country are insurrectionists they're on camera helping them it's only possible because they let them in lock them up let's take each and every one of those officers and put them in solitary why not i'm down let's let's let's why are we not asking the left for this they want to expand the capitol police to to a national level put them in florida and california okay well then joe biden's an insurrectionist too tim pool talking about arresting cops. He's a libertarian for sure. Well, you gotta arrest anybody who breaks the law.

And if those cops are on camera facilitating an insurrection, heavens, they should get 20 years, each and every one of them. My point is this. If the GOP actually went to those cops and said, because of what is going on with law enforcement,

we are going to make sure that each and every one of you gets 20 years, J6 would be over. I agree. I mean, particularly because many of them did participate in a more sincere fashion than some of the people that are doing time right now. If the police who helped facilitate J6 were facing decades in prison, the Democrats would be like, all right, all right, you got us. They would drop charges on everybody. Yep. I agree. And this is the problem with having a two-tier justice system

is that ultimately there is no justice. So we need to start advocating that these Capitol police with these new release tapes get two decades in prison because what will happen is the likes of AOC, the Young Turks, will agree with us. There will be a tremendous pressure on Democrats, Mer merrick garland to start indicting police officers which he will not be able to do the police unions the capital police they will lose it and then you're going to see a massive government institution say ain't no way you're locking us up but uh-oh the democrats

base and the right are unified and wanting that to happen. Yeah. But you can't, this system will not allow those cops to get arrested. My concern is that we have a real weaponized DOJ at this point. And once you get there, plus you have a real weaponized intelligence agency apparatus with both the FBI and the CIA, it's like, how do you put that genie back in the bottle? I mean, this is the type of stuff that you saw in USSR days, you know, and it doesn't go in a direction that is favorable to people that value walking freely at all or eating adequately. Like this heads in a very, very dark direction. And I feel like people aren't really facing it. We all like, we look at it on the day to day,

we kind of realize it's headed in the wrong direction, but we don't actually appreciate how precarious and how imminently dangerous all of this is and i'm not to freak people out but it's like no they should be freaked out yeah they probably ought to be yeah they should be freaked out let's grab some more barely a millennial says the deep state and the left probably have dirt on every elected person so nobody speaks up or Or if they do, nothing happens. Wouldn't want those skeletons flung out of the closet, cowards. Oh, you know it. This is how you know Thomas Massey has got to be one of the cleanest dudes on the planet.

Disagree. He bent his knee so fast for Kevin McCarthy, I thought he was going to blow his ACL. I can't argue that. Yeah, he said he didn't want to see in the you're talking about when he said he didn't want the speaker to be vacated just because he saw what he was the one who wanted bayner to be vacated the institution will fall it's like oh kevin mccarthy kevin mccarthy's blackmailing populist uh maga candidates there was a moment after i need i would love to have a private conversation with him to find out why why did you have his back in that way it's bizarre

there was a moment when there was no speaker that we it seemed like maybe all the democrats were coming together to with a few republicans to put a democrat as the speaker and i was like oh hakeem jeffries i think and i was like that's what massey was afraid of is a complete and total loss hold on hold on structure you're correct but jenky jenky ugerur was on the wrong side of this one. The Jimmy Dore was saying when the same thing was happening with Democrats when they took the House, challenge them. Do not give Pelosi the speakership unless they give you concessions. And Jenk was like, no, the Republicans will get in. You'll get Kevin McCarthy. Don't do it.

And that's just it's not what happens. There is not a single republican who would sacrifice their career over over a vacant speakership these people are cowards every single one of them save okay to be fair maybe a couple of them aren't handful so what happens is the democrats go to them and say don't you want to be a defector and the guy's like here are my options i can say nothing and no one knows my name or I can destroy my entire life and career and go home as an enemy of my own neighborhoods and my own district. I'd rather just hide in the bushes. Right.

So when it comes to the vote, most of these people were hiding in the bushes until they finally got someone everyone was comfortable enough to stand behind and go, are you voting? Are you voting for Mike Johnson? I'm voting for Mike Johnson too.'m voting for Mike Johnson, too. Yeah.

Oh, yeah. OK. All right. What what bothers me is that this the narrative has been America first, and that has been what really Trump and all of the new modern iteration of the Republicans I don't despise have rode into power on the back of has been the America first narrative. Right. have rode into power on the back of has been the america first narrative right but then you oust mccarthy who i agree is a total traitor and scumbag but then you put in mike johnson whose

very first priority is funding for israel right and it's like it's like can i ever get someone who actually means it when they say america first can i is it possible but that's why they they voted for him because he probably went up and said, I'll tell you what, first thing I'll do, we fund Israel. And they were like, okay, fine. At least we got the J6 tapes. He's better than McCarthy. I agree, he's better than McCarthy, but man, low bar. Seriously.

Let's grab some more Super Jets. Josh Fields says, I very rarely get to tune into the live shows and I listen to the podcasts at work. I'm sorry, the culture war today was ridiculous.ott just wouldn't stop talking and never answered any question i just couldn't finish it well i i will say this uh because i think scott's a a good dude we skated afterwards we had a blast the the that was one of the challenges when the show started people may have noticed this scott asked if he could do a 10 to 15 minute

opening statement and i was like well it's entirely up to will who's debating this side i mean the problem is that you're going to say a bunch of things that will be challenged and if you just say them and you're asking no one debate you i mean this creates an issue and that actually came up a couple times where it's like you know scott would say it's it's it's i would call it an unintentional gish gallop i i warned him of this before the show. I said, are you familiar with the debate tactic gish gallop? It's where you say as many things as possible once so your opponent can't respond to them. And so this is the trouble with saying five things and then saying wait and then changing the subject and adding another thing and saying wait and then adding another thing.

Because now we have to stop. And then Will is trying to write it all down. But you know, it is what it is. I thought it was a good show i thought it went well let's grab uh let's grab some more super chats where are we at mike o'hara says should the kids recording the death of the kid getting jumped in nevada be prosecuted the guy that recorded the death of ahmed arbery got prosecuted for not doing anything but recording the incident well the answer is no he should be freed too right yeah he shouldn't have been charged and i gotta tell you man i i this this is the worst story ever because everyone's lying and it's coming from the right here's the story of what

happened to jonathan lewis in nevada a group of kids stole headphones from another kid jonathan lewis tried to get the headphones back they They refused. A fight was arranged between Lewis and this group behind the school in an alley. When Jonathan Lewis went there demanding the headphones be returned, and they refused, he took a swing. Jonathan Lewis swung at a kid. As soon as he did, a group of about six or seven rushed in. The total group you can see on camera that are beating him probably is between, you know, it's probably six or seven.

It may be around six. And I watched the video. I got the full clips where you can see Jonathan Lewis throwing the first punch. Two of the kids are not black. Three or four may have been black. What did we get? A guy tweeted that 15 black kids beat a white kid to death. That is factually incorrect.

By all means, you can say the kid shouldn't have died. By all means, you can say that Jonathan Lewis defending his friend was the good thing and the right thing to do. You can say whatever you want about it. I'm just telling you what happened. Make up your own mind. But that story really grinds my gears. I still have people saying, 15 people beat him up.

I'm like, did you watch the video? No. Okay. Watch the video. There's two guys who are described as swarthy, meaning they could be Asian. They could be Middle Eastern. They could be Hispanic. We're not entirely sure. It's a very grainy video. Three or three or four of the attackers appear to be black. Take take for what you will. Right. I'll probably lose some some listeners over this one, but I got to say it anyways. I've been really disturbed. And look, let me start by saying, yes, there are crimes that are perpetrated against white people that

don't go reported because that doesn't fall into the category of the victimhood hierarchy that people are talking about these days. However, I don't like how you will have these viral videos of a one-off act that is perpetrated by a black person against a white person and and then you'll see just the reply segment is just filled with people that are like hardcore you know uh i mean white supremacist i think is a fair thing to say but certainly uh abiding by the white grievance politics type of mindset and i just think it's very unhealthy i just i'm i'm not interested in going the opposite direction from black people are always oppressed and the white people are always the oppressor and now we're going to flip that

and it's white people are oppressed and i don't want to go down this path and i think there are a lot of people that jumped on the 15 black kids beat up beat a white kid to death story because it was it fits that role well we can attack the leftist narrative exactly but the only problem is it falls apart and i and people on Twitter ask me where the info is. Read the news. I don't know. Google search it and watch the video. There's several videos.

The video that went viral on Twitter is a short clip that doesn't show you the fight starting. The full video actually does exist, and you can watch it. And then you have conflicting statements. And then the police issued their statement. So I'm not telling you who to blame, who is right, who is wrong, or whatever. I'm telling you what the police and the news and several different sources between them have stated. Let me add one more point, is that it's not at all empowering to start to get people that have your skin color to feel as if they're

victims just because of how they were born. I think that this is extraordinarily destructive to the black community. And I think that if you take on that, that belief system and you apply it to white people, it's also destructive. I would not advise it for either side. And in fact, come together if you could. Thanks. Jesse JFR says, I'm watching the same people that said punch a Nazi, say from the river to the sea.

That's a really funny, right? That's a good one. that's a good one that's a good one paul tascolo says the contrarian intellectual libertarian shtick gets old fast i'm fine with being a silly american that hates bin laden you know you're inflicting pain and eliciting anger by defending osama bin laden anyway what's the point who's that for oh i assume he's talking to me i i didn't defend Osama bin Laden. If you actually listened to it, I was saying that his grievances are shared by many people that are not scumbag terrorists that live in the Middle East who have had their lives destroyed by the military industrial complex of America. That is a valid and reasonable claim that the American population

ought to consider given that we have been robbed blind to pay for the military apparatus that has destroyed these people's lives. I take that very personally, that my hard labor has been stolen from me to go destroy innocent people's lives overseas. If that doesn't disturb you, that's fine. You're not like me. I take it seriously. And then let me also add, as I'm lecturing you, that just because I'm going to point out the legitimate grievances that Osama bin Laden had in that letter does not mean that he is justified in doing what he did on 9-11, which was one of the most egregious things that any human being has ever done. So, I don't know. Walk and chew gum, homeboy. All right.

What do we have here? Let's grab some subjects. I got a Phil laugh out of that one. Let's see. Pardaxalus says, Phil, it's already too late. Imagine if there was a guy that died 2,000 years ago to rescue us from the perils coming. So, interesting, I guess. Okay.

All right, here we go. Jim Hansen says, Clint, weatched iranians in both afghanistan and iraq regularly and their training is responsible for the emptied threat is that we're trying to say is it a typo there i know they don't they don't cover that in finance world i don't follow what he said there i'm sorry sorry. I think he's saying that there are Iranians in Afghanistan and Iraq. Or that they dispatched them. Either they killed them. I think he's saying killed.

They killed them or they sent them off to do something. That's another definition of the word dispatch. I think it's a distinct possibility that there have been some Iranian people in the Middle East as we've been over there. The better question is why have we had tens of thousands of american troops over 6 000 miles away the the euphemisms over whether or not someone died it's getting a little ridiculous instead of saying dispatched or unalived just go with shuffled them loose this mortal coil yeah simple that's very straightforward very straightforward it fits in every YouTube title. Where are we at?

The text vet says, freeing the code wouldn't work. If the code was the reason a company can't compete, then explain Parler. It's monopolization and government interference, not the code. Well, Parler couldn't compete.

Because the government couldn't do it. Also, it was a crappy piece of technology compared to Twitter, if that's what you're talking about. What do you mean? I don't know. I didn't like it very much it's pretty bare bones a government that how is it any different from twitter twitter's had all the same functionality um i don't know if that's necessarily true as far as anyone on the front end could tell it was the

same thing a government powerful enough to force a company to free its code is also a government powerful enough to put out of business every competitor to any particular singular business that they want to be in a monopoly position. I reject that libertarian argument. It's true. A government that's powerful enough to lock a man up for murdering another person is a government that's powerful to lock up an innocent person and claim they murdered someone. Yeah. Okay, yeah. Right. His argument doesn't follow. fault to lock up an innocent person and claim they murdered someone yeah okay yeah right his argument doesn't follow it's like basically saying like but you're still we want the government to stop murderers but oh no then the government might arrest innocent people okay so we'll create a

robust system that tries to preserve the rights of the innocent fair but there's still there's still a valid argument to be made that if you if you have a government if you empower the government to strip their ip protection right you're saying you're saying that they have to free the code that's ian's argument well then they also have the capacity to shut that company down if they strip their IP protection, right? You're saying that they have to free the code. That's Ian's argument. Well, then they also have the capacity to shut that company down if they don't. Yes. Right. Okay. So where does that lead? It means that they get to choose winners and losers, which means that they could ultimately dictate who gets to be the dominant lead in any industry.

And so the issue with this argument is it implies corruption has nothing to do with the argument about whether or not we regulate. So to say a government that can arrest a man for murder has the power to lock up its political opponents. Sure does. So do we just stop arresting people for murder? Well, no, of course. We just need

to not have corruption. My argument is that both sides of it are bad, though. If you're actually going to try and use what's it called, antitrust protections to shut down some of these monopoly actors, it's totally fruitless. They ultimately end up being in a, even if they get split up, they still end up being in a very dominant market position because they own the politicians that are dictating that separation from the get-go. Yeah, I don't want to shut down the companies or break them up. I want their code to be accessible to the common man. So the government no longer has that kind of power and authority over what that network does

because the network is now proliferated. I mean, they could try and send out 600,000 cease and desist to 600,000 different Twitter clones, but that's a lot more robust defense mechanism than having one of them yeah well i mean the network effect is really why these social media companies prevail anyways because so many people have accounts there so it's not really the code it's the fact that people are using the app right it's a combination they're both very important okay we got a good one that's important massively important marcus aurelius says my son was born a couple hours ago we are in the hospital watching timcast keep up the great work marcus reproduce homeboy let's go that kid's on a good path america guys

congratulations enjoy the evening let's see what else we have in the old uh super jets spoon licker says if we end up stuck with a 4 000 page omnibus spending bill someone needs to add a line to repeal the patriot act and dissolve the department of education i'm saying that's what i said when when they wheeled out the 5 000 page omnibus and said everyone just approve it i'm like can't someone just slide in like trump one and just like put it right in the middle like oh we got you that's how the chinese do contracts apparently they when you send back red line stuff they'll send stuff back and they won't show you what they changed they just expect that you're going to reread it every time sorry i'm feeling

all i'm feeling very uh reflective thinking about someone who's watching this right now just had their first child be born and how beautiful that is it It's just like such a cool thing. Pay attention to your wife. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Close your phone. Go name your son. Right.

As a total aside, just because I don't know why I thought about this. I realized that every day we do a show where I'm in the thumbnail, I'm taking a picture every day like those people who do like a picture every day. So you could theoretically take, I mean, how long have we been doing it this way? I think we have only, only four, three and a half years. No,

but I mean, only a couple hundred episodes have my face in them, but that's probably like, just keep doing it, man. That's kind of crazy. You're going to see me like get fatter and thinner. Yeah.

But I mean, that's all you'll see though, because you're part Asian, so you won't age at all. So it's going to be like, you know, kind of boring. Well,

the way, the way we age is that we're totally the same until 70 and then turn into short trim right right that's pretty dope though that you get to like be exactly how you are at 35 or whatever to 70 and then you just become to be fair though that that myth comes from uh so you ever notice that in cartoons when a guy gets like if a if a kid gets turned into an old person or whatever their pants go way up yeah it's because older people back in the day wore their pants higher today they still wear their pants higher younger people wear their pants lower it's not that being old makes you pull your pants up it's just that the style of that yeah asians don't look normal and then at 70 shrink it's that 70 year old asians grew up in an era where they were shorter and

now the younger generation of as Asians are aging more gracefully. Ah, right. That's where that trope comes from. All right, everybody, if you haven't already, would you kindly smash that like button, subscribe to this channel, share the show with your friends, head over to TimCast.com, become a member, click join us, and watch Infringed,

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timcast clint do you want to shout anything out a couple things uh we got jackson hinkle coming in to the best political show.com it's word. We are change over on Rumble. Jackson Hinkle, Sunday night, 6 o'clock. Don't miss it. Me, Luke Rutkowski, my homegirl Steph. It's going to be a blast. It should be fireworks. I hope to defend Phil here's honor against the mega-communists.

I'm also the co-host of Tower Gang, and I am the primary host and only host of Liberty Lockdown. One other quick plug. Tower Gang. I got to mention it, but don't subscribe to it. But we got LP Connecticut. Their whatever it's called. Their convention is the, I think it's the 7th of December.

Myself, Josie the Redhead Libertarian, Maj Touré, a bunch of great people are going to be there. Go to LPCT.org, I think, to sign up. And last but not least, at Liberty Lockpot on Twitter, please do follow me. I appreciate you guys for having me back on. It was a blast. I am Phil that remains on Twix. I am Phil that remains

official on Instagram. The band is all that remains. You can follow us on Spotify, Apple Music, Pandora, YouTube, Amazon Music, you know, the internet. And I'm Ian Cross, and follow us on Spotify, Apple Music, Pandora, YouTube, Amazon Music, you know, the internet. And I'm Ian Crossland. Follow me on YouTube. Actually, subscribe to me on YouTube. One o'clock, Monday through Friday, Monday through Thursday, I do interviews.

Clint, you've been on the show before. I was just on last week. It was great. That was really chill. That was fun. That was nice. And today, I interviewed Dewey Long, who actually discovered the flash graphene process, where they're hitting carbon

with electricity and turning it into graphene. This is the guy that figured it out. It was really cool to talk to him. And also, you were saying don't subscribe to Tower Gang? Don't. Don't subscribe to Tower Gang. Don't. Yeah.

Right. That was the first thing I said. Yeah. All right. Don't subscribe to Tower Gang. It is the best marketer, I swear to God. You got to talk to the audience. What's happening, Serge?

I don't know what's going on. Can't hear you. Your audio's off. Make it rain, brother. I don't know what's going on with the whole thing on Discord, but I think Cullen has worked some situation out where we're going to be chatting with people that are on Discord. So if you're not a member of Discord, please, like Tim said,

become a member. You can talk to us on the show. And you can call on the shows during the week normally monday through thursday um that said uh make america goth again is a shirt that i'm wearing right now and uh you have you conspicuous lack of black lipstick for to be talking about right right no eyeliner no black nail polish come on hey i said make it again well one more quick note. Really, I'm going to implore the beautiful TimCast IRL audience. Go to Liberty Lockdown on YouTube right now because the show is ending

and you ain't got nothing to do. There is no post show. It's Friday night. Go smash the subscrizzle, bizzle, home bizzle. Subscribe to Liberty Lockdown. You should subscribe to Liberty Lockdown. Do not subscribe to Tower Gang. That's the difference. Thank you.

Do not subscribe to Tower Gang. All right. When you're ready, Tim. We'll see you all next week. Thanks for hanging out.