Timcast IRL - Timcast IRL #909 Press Launches COORDINATED Assault On Elon Musk After NUCLEAR Lawsuit w/Angel Studios
Episode Date: November 22, 2023Tim, Ian, Hannah Claire, & Serge join Angel Studios to discuss Elon Musk's lawsuit against Media Matters escalating, a star actress from the Scream franchise being fired for her comments about the Isr...ael-Hamas war, Matt Rife issuing a fake apology to the online mob trying to cancel him, & a court striking down Maryland's handgun license requirement. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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Elon Musk files his lawsuit against Media Matters, an organization that seeks to simply
lie about and destroy people's private
businesses because they disagree politically.
And then Truth Social filed a lawsuit against 20 different media outlets for a coordinated
defamation scheme where all of these outlets falsely claimed that Truth Social lost $73
million.
Now, the crazy thing is, apparently, they're all citing an SEC filing that never says this.
So it's going to get really, really interesting.
But here's where it gets interesting even more so.
This morning when I wake up and I say, okay, let's take a look at where we're at with this Elon Musk story.
There's a new story.
It's weird.
It's actually an old story from about a month and a half ago about a man who is suing Elon Musk, a Jewish man.
Strangely, when you Google search Elon Musk now, the news you get is not that he's suing
Media Matters.
It is not the story explaining how X and Elon Musk claim Media Matters defrauded people.
It's actually a story from a month and a half ago about Elon Musk being sued by a Jewish
man for being anti-Semitic.
Now, why would all of these different news outlets run an old story at the exact same
time?
My friends, it would seem
that the war for the internet is on and it's going to get particularly crazy moving forward.
But there's a lot happening behind the scenes. We'll talk about this. We've got a bunch of stories
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Joining us tonight to talk about this and a whole lot more, we got the Harmon brothers of Angel Studios.
Do you guys want to introduce yourselves?
Neil Harmon, co-founder and CEO of Angel Studios.
Glad to be here, Tim.
Thanks for coming in.
Jeff Harmon, co-founder and chief content officer.
And we're excited to be here.
You guys did, of course, you were behind Sound of Freedom, which was a massive success.
And you had a documentary that just came out recently.
After Death.
After Death. And now you have The Shift coming out, what, in like a documentary that just came out recently which after death after death
and now you have the shift coming out uh what in like a week we could have one december one it
looks really good i'm really excited for it we have a we have a clip and uh it's great yeah i
don't want to i don't want to say too much i'd rather just play it later but uh it's looking
awesome man you guys are you guys are killing it and i'm glad to see look as we're talking about
elon musk fighting this big battle
all of these stories are stories of us storming the battlefield taking the field taking the center
stage and winning these are all tremendous victories so it's super exciting to hear this
will be a lot of fun talking to you guys about this and uh so thanks for hanging out we got
hannah claire uh hanging out hi i'm hannah claire brimlow i was a writer at tim cass news but now
i'm a writer at scanneranner. And Ian's here.
Hi, everyone.
Ian Cross and Tim.
I love you, man.
And I really appreciate your attention to detail because picking up on this Elon Musk,
the multiple outlets running this weird muddying the waters thing.
I don't know that a lot of humans would pick up those kind of patterns.
So I really appreciate your brain, man.
Thanks for doing it.
Well, I mean, it's like you Google search the story to you want to cross reference the
different stories and check their sources and you don't find it. You find a different story. Well, we'll talk about it like you Google search the story to, you want to cross-reference the different stories and check their sources, and you don't find it.
You find a different story.
We'll talk about it.
We'll talk about it.
We got search hanging out.
Yes, I'm here, search.com.
I'm ready whenever you are, Tim.
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Big news.
There's Angel Studios right there.
Let's get to it.
We have this from Wired.
Elon Musk's Media Matters lawsuit will have a chilling effect.
Musk has filed his thermonuclear suit against Media Matters for America at the same time
the Texas AG launched an investigation into the nonprofit.
Now, this we saw yesterday.
Of course, there's a bunch of updates today.
It's slowly moving.
I think the fact that the AG is going for criminal charges
against these organizations is particularly interesting.
But here's what was interesting this morning.
And this is something I don't see a lot of people writing up just yet,
but it's something that must be covered.
Google search Elon Musk and click news.
And what do you get well what's the
biggest story i mean this is a massive lawsuit you've got a massive boycott x is being slammed
by major advertisers the tune of tens of millions of dollars but you know that's that story falls to
uh second stage the top story right now is far-right conspiracy theorist accused 22 year
old jewish man of being a neo-Nazi then
Elon Musk got involved aspiring lawyer sues Elon Musk Jewish student sues Elon Musk all of a sudden
all of these different outlets a bunch of different outlets start running a story instead
that Elon Musk is being sued for uh this is the crazy thing about this story let me let me let me
show you this CNN runs uh runs this this is uh last night at 10 12. Let me show you this. CNN runs this.
This is last night at 10, 12 p.m.
It was updated.
That's a couple hours after he launches the story.
Now, news that this dude was suing Elon Musk
is from, I believe, mid-October or early October.
Here's what they write.
Ben Brody says his life was going fine.
He had just finished college,
stayed out of trouble,
and was prepping for law school.
Then seemingly out of nowhere, Elon Musk uses his considerable social media clout to amplify an
online mob's misguided rant, accusing the 22-year-old from California of being an undercover
agent in a neo-Nazi group. That's completely false. That's actually very, very false. Elon
Musk replied to someone vaguely referencing a guy who was in college and wanted to work for the
government, and no one accused the individual of being an undercover agent in a
neo-nazi group they accused these people all of them of being undercover agents period in a fake
nazi group now whatever what i can say is define coordinated i suppose when a bunch of media outs
all run this story and it shoves down the big news and covers it up it's kind of like uh every time what what was the thing that's happening every time
hunter biden you know was was caught doing something aliens were proven to exist yeah i
mean just this week they they an example of this is like he launches the rocket the the starship he gets up the largest spacecraft in history
makes the separation successfully and gets into space and i try to look up the news and it's all
like elon musk fails with rocket because it blows up or you know lies yeah it's just it's just
straight up false it's one of the most successful moments in history.
And all the headlines are, he failed.
They're all lies.
This was the first launch.
It wasn't the first launch.
SpaceX launched something a year ago or whatever.
Yeah.
All the media reports, shocking failure, rocket explodes.
SpaceX intentionally blew it up.
They were doing a launch to collect data uh so spacex launches
starship they did the exact same thing they launched it to collect data because they have
to build a rocket how do you do it well you have to build prototypes try them see where they fail
collect the data and then the safety measure is you blomp up you blow them up yep and the media
reports that he's a failure it's not working working. This is crazy. And then at the same time,
this whole entire anti-Semitic thing comes out.
Or they're covering his custody battle
with Grimes a lot right now.
Yeah, it's just like endless.
Terrible immoral person.
The last time you had us here,
it was a Fabian Martin story about Sound of Freedom.
The financier of Sound of Freedom was a sex trafficker.
And it was a guy who was totally exonerated
later on, but he was all over the press and
his face was everywhere.
And they were trying to take that film down.
It was also like one of a hundred thousand
investors, I believe, wasn't it?
Yeah.
Yeah.
He was one of thousands of investors.
And he was like a landlord.
50 bucks.
Wow.
He gets accused of an accessory to kidnapping.
And then it got, the judge was like, I don't know how you're an accessory to kidnapping because there's no even
charge for kidnapping.
But somebody went into the theater,
screenshotted all the investor names.
Cause that's the only place you can get them.
Then digitize them.
Wow.
Then cross-check them across all the local criminal databases to find one guy
who had been accused of a kidnapping. And then the
headline is financier, $50 investor of thousands of sound of freedom arrested for kidnapping
children. I'm in London. I have my angel shirt on. I'm at this TSA security in London. I don't
know what they call it there. And that one of the security guys comes up and says oh i have tickets to your movie and he's like are you the producer and i was like
oh no i i'm not the producer i'm gonna distribute he's like oh good because the producer apparently
is like a kidnapping kids well now they're going they're going after uh tim ballard with all these
stories which sound completely insane but i gotta tell you tell you that. But you get like what,
what's happening here is very common.
So what did you do personally?
And what do you advise people to do when the media does run stuff like that?
There was a,
a really wise,
um,
the,
one of the executive producers on the,
one of the films was coming up.
He's in his nineties,
very successful businessman.
And he just called and said,
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i don't i don't know though i don't know though you look how the look what the media does they
say uh the best defense is a good offense when Elon Musk goes after media matters and is exposing
what i believe expands the government collusion narrative in the censorship industrial complex.
We've got the releases from the Republican Party.
We know about the releases from the Twitter files.
Now Elon Musk is going after Media Matters,
and they're saying they have data, hard proof,
that Media Matters fabricated the claims against them
to try and get advertisers to pull out.
What does the media do?
Immediately launch a totally different story to attack elon musk to drown it out
so i'm kind of wondering if perhaps in in you know world war one style trench combat you're
getting shot at you get down it's a good point but perhaps in the world of pr and media what
elon musk needs to do is lay around another story immediately now the issue of course is
will the press even cover it or will they let the search terms
be accurate right and and here's the thing i i think it's probably google look why are people
writing in this story i think it's very weird that cnn chose to write a month and a half old
story and just publish it right now with vague and misleading language what do we call that we
call that malinformation it's it's technically the truth but it's not actually what's going on and then other outlets pick it up because this is what they do google
knows put this on top so when it appears the top of google when you search for elon musk i think
it's a big tech play and i think big tech is colluding with the government because we've
already seen hard proof they've been doing it or the and or that the advertisers are coordinating
and they all advertise on alphabet and on whatever whatever companies are posting this CNN and all these people are getting that same ad money that pulled out of Twitter and they're working.
I don't know if they're just bystanders in this or if they're complicit.
I think it's difficult for people as an individual to combat the tech giants and especially anyone controlling a search engine if they want to.
I mean, I'm going to reference Taylor Swift. I know you guys were all waiting for it. But when
she started dating Travis Kelsey, she went to a New York Jets game. Before that, when you Google
Taylor Swift Jet, it talked about all these articles from two years before talking about
her carbon footprint and how bad it was. And people thought she has engineered this relationship to
get to this game. So it completely changes what shows up when you Google these terms.
I mean, the challenge here is that Elon Musk is now up against the people who want CNN's
article to be at the front.
So even if he were able to get some big headline, he had sympathetic journalists take on his
story, cover it accurately.
It doesn't mean that the search term, the way the algorithms work out will be evenly
applied to him.
Do you know what i'm saying i think i like your metaphor about get down duck and cover when the fire when the
incoming enemy fire is happening and this is like when people are writing crappy articles about you
like don't make noise because you're gonna look guilty but that's important why you have allies
to fire on the position that's attacking your foxhole to lighten the fire so that's right that's
right and that's our job essentially right now is what we're doing is we're exposing this weird algorithm these people are evil that's it i mean twitter and
facebook running back doors allowing the government to come in and and basically get content removed
it's unconstitutional deep corruption deep corruption it's it's is it is pure corruption
and it is it is over evil these people are doing it for personal gain that's just it man we were
talking about free speech i had interviewed josie the redheaded libertarian today on my youtube
channel we were talking about free speech and how like the ability for a private company just to
shut off a bunch of people's ability to communicate or the way certain aspects of my communication
with you might not show up like that's we wrote a constitution and fought a revolution to avoid
that from happening we had the king pressing down on our necks collectively and disallowing us from speaking
out in public.
No more.
Never again.
That was the point.
But this also happens with companies that control banks, right?
I mean, PayPal can say, I don't like what you're talking about online.
You can no longer use our service, which makes it actually difficult to do a lot of business
interfacing.
This is true of MailChimp.
This is true of a ton of different companies that decide we don't want to be associated with you because we have a vague term that's like the next level is when
it's transactions that is the next level like that's the deeper level below free speech that's
the foundation if you can't if you don't have the freedom to transact then you're like what what can
you do i just think it's like the truckers in canada they just they just shut them down i just
think we're winning across the board in every way i mean we got a super chat a moment ago and they
were like how could how could the democrats even put someone else on the primary ballot because
it's too late in several states biden can't win the dude's completely out of his mind he's losing
support among the the hollywood elites michael rapaport says he's going to vote for trump or
he's considering voting for trump i mean this is this is crazy. Elon Musk filing the lawsuit. Everybody's going on offense. And I can tell you this too,
ladies and gentlemen, I can't say too much because in legal issues, you know, you got to keep things
pretty quiet until you make your moves. But there is so much more happening behind the scenes.
Let's just, I'll just put it this way. Many phone calls, many phone calls have been happening.
And there's a lot of prominent individuals who are like this is war there was a post recently where someone suggested that any
prominent influencer on twitter should should file an amicus brief or join the lawsuit elon musk is
filing because guess what everybody you know that money you were making on twitter oh wow it's gone
it's all gone so when i was getting two to three thousand bucks every two weeks,
maybe about five grand a month,
gone.
So Media Matters
did not just smear and defame
Elon Musk's platform,
but it's stripping revenue
from everybody
through fraudulent means.
Yeah.
So there's a lot,
and there's a lot more than that.
Yeah, Media Matters is the worst.
We're still spending a lot with X.
How's it been?
Yeah.
How's the engagement been?
Well, it's great. This is interesting. With Sound of Freedom was the first time that, and this is within months after a very short time after Elon acquired Twitter, is that our main investors, Giga Fund,
that's invested in SpaceX, invested in a whole bunch of Elon companies. They called us and they were like,
hey, how can we improve the system?
So they're working very hard
to improve the Twitter advertising system
and it's working.
Like Twitter has not had a competitive leg
that even comes close to competing with Facebook
for targeted ads and direct response ever.
And now they're starting to compete.
Like advertisers need to be aware it's worth taking time to invest in Twitter now.
Right.
Part of the reason why Sound of Freedom was successful was because Twitter figured out
how to make ads work and they're getting better and they're getting better and better. And so I think that this Twitter just has to survive the dip and then they'll climb
back out of it because they're actually innovating.
They're actually making changes and they're listening to the audience and the customers.
And so, uh, for us, we spend where it works.
And I, I, I think that, um, if we can do it i mean we're known harman brothers known for doing
poopery squatty potty purple mattress lumi deodorant these billion dollar cpg companies
and mattress companies and and um and these like this i can tell you twitter is starting to figure
it out we're going to be doing a big ad ad push
the beginning of next year we're already doing uh big ads for infringed our latest documentary
by lauren southern and john detroit and uh when they announced they were pulling out it was seth
dylan who started the cascade saying we're gonna commit 250k i said i'm on board and uh it's just
the easiest marketing play in the world. Join in the fun, everybody.
By announcing we're doing an ad buy, we get 10 times the press from the ad buy.
So let me just stress, I want to buy ads on X.
We did.
We were already buying ads.
We created a $50,000 budget for Infringed and launched that campaign.
And we are having some issues, so I need someone from Twitter's help.
We can make some connections.
Yeah, that'd be great.
Because, like, I don't know, something weird's happening in the background, but I digress.
So when Seth Dillon's like, hey, we're going to do this thing, I was like, well, we're already advertising on X.
We already want to do more.
Let me just announce that I, too, will be doing this and joining their efforts.
That's exactly right.
And then I get articles written about me.
So standing up for what I believe in results in 10 times the press we would have gotten just off the
ad campaign alone the tweet announcing the ad campaign got 7 000 retweets so it's just the
marketing rights itself let's you know you know this idea i had a long time ago marketing should
do something good it was was you know it reminds me of that movie um hancock where jason bateman's
character is like
everyone puts the heart on their brand i'm like well that's kind of dumb my idea was
companies should compete with how much they can accomplish ideologically in alignment with their
values so uh you know for instance instead of spending 50 million dollars doing this nationwide
campaign where you hire a celebrity to throw a football you spend 50 million dollars investing in road schools or you know veterans like helping veterans or non-profits and then instead of doing this big
commercial where a celebrity throws a football you just do a commercial where it's a guy standing in
front of like a va saying instead of spending 50 million dollars on throwing a football we just
gave it to wounded veterans to help those and i'm like that's the kind of marketing we should be
doing competing with each other to do the most good so i'm like if i can buy ads to promote timcast.com and the projects we're doing
and it has the added benefit of winning the culture war man i'll spend all my money let's
just let's roll you make me think of mr beast he'll actually take cameras in and show the people
crying with joy from tasting fresh water for the first time in their lives and things and you may
argue it's exploiting the people that are getting the video taken of them but giving away wells and they
attacked him for it the media came after him well he's an oppressive figure trying to help people
i can guarantee he's he's anything but and you should watch his video where he brings 100 wells
to people that are starving of fresh water essentially dying you know having distended
stomachs and these little kids.
This fly is driving me nuts.
Are you guys watching?
It's attacking everybody.
Anyone that starts to talk,
it's like I feel the heat.
It's a hostile work environment.
It goes straight to the speaker.
Holy crap.
I just swatted and didn't squeeze.
I had like some sympathy for the thing.
What if we just open the door
and cross our fingers that he leaves?
Yeah, I'll do that.
There you go.
Yeah, the fly's attacking everybody.
Fun won't last, the fly.
Well, he's gone.
Buzz off.
What were you saying, Ian?
Some awesome thing.
Oh, about Mr. Beast.
He was just showing video of these kids.
And I mean, if you've ever spent time with kids in an impoverished nation,
and you see the kids that drink poop water,
basically the same river water that they drink out of, they poop into,
it's sad because their stomachs are fat and bloated.
I saw it in South America when I wasu and it was they're so happy people because
they don't know they didn't know but once they found out they were fucking livid and it's just
to be able to to help people children especially i want to i want to jump to this story before we
get into uh movie stuff we got this from the hollywood report we got a couple stories actually
melissa barrera dropped from scream 7 after social media posts amid Israel-Hamas war.
This is really funny.
She led both 2022 Scream and the sixth installment released earlier this year.
And she basically said it's genocide, it's ethnic cleansing.
Gaza is currently being treated like a concentration camp.
Spyglass, the company behind the Scream franchise, had no comment.
And they gave her the boot. We also got this from scnr.com susan sarandon dropped by talent agency
for anti-semitic comment she was getting she's getting roasted heavily after she was at a rally
and she made a bunch of comments pro-palestinian rally and then uh i think we have another one here
this one's not as as as important as the Hollywood celebrities. United Airline pilot removed from service over pro Hamas posts. So keeping it, you know, I wanted to highlight that in terms of the cancel culture. I don't agree with these people being fired for having bad opinions. I also don't care. I'm not going to come to their defense. And I'm just going to laugh as the as hits their ass on the way out. Because too many of these people absolutely are anti-free speech. Too many
of these people in New York, these far left groups have been waging a war on free speech.
But that being said, I do think we should be careful. And maybe this Melissa Barrera,
I don't know what she's all about. Maybe she believes in free speech. So I'm going to look
into them. And if they're in favor of free speech, I'll defend their free speech.
If not, sorry.
But what we're seeing is,
look, the old guard is in free fall.
Hollywood, the actors,
they're split where their talent
are ideologically at odds
with their institutions.
And I'm not going to sit here
and tell you who's right or who's wrong.
We can have a Palestine-Israel discussion later.
I'm just pointing out they're starting to fire people.
The industry is not doing so well.
In the meantime, seems like independent media is just skyrocketing.
I mean, a few years ago, if I would have talked about the sound of freedom,
people would not have believed me.
If I would have said there's going to be a new studio,
they're going to launch a movie, it's going to defy all expectations,
crack into the top of the box office 100 what is that 200 million dollars 250 250 million dollars
people would be like what's dude you can't beat hollywood and now hollywood's dying i mean
billion dollar loss for disney how you guys doing is sound of freedom still in theaters
it isn't just around the world it is throughout the world, but in the US,
we just had the last day in the theaters.
It was last Friday or Thursday.
Anyway, it went for like 127 days in the US theaters.
It's on Amazon.
Yes.
New releases.
It's like the second one right there.
Yeah, it was in the top 25 most pre-ordered movies
of all time on Apple.
That's amazing.
I mean, you can really see a shift in focus
and groups that once had a very tight camaraderie
are now splitting apart.
There's this poll from Gallup that came out, I think today,
saying that Biden has lost 11 points in support
in one month among Democrats,
among people who would theoretically
be completely behind him.
So if you can see it shifting in the political discourse, it's obviously happening in the
cultural discourse.
There's going to be fallout from the fact that people look at each other and say, I
won't even talk to you.
I won't work with you.
I cannot be around you if you express these opinions.
That's crazy.
I think the kids, people that just see things for what they are, are like the diversity
for the sake of diversity.
It was tried in like 2021 pretty pretty heavily
and then it it was obvious that like if you're not casting the best person regardless of what
they look like you're you're not making the best movie i mean looks are somewhat important but i
think talent see through you see it in the eyeballs yeah the best person for the character
whatever that means so and now it means that coming obvious and it's showing in the budgets
like disney just launched the worst Marvel movie of all time.
That's right.
Financially.
And they did really poor in the movie before that.
Let's think about this.
It's a good point.
The Marvels, right?
It's the MCU.
It's got three female leads and a female villain lead.
What was their budget?
$300 million, I think.
And it hits the,
it hits the opening weekend with 46.1 million,
the lowest box office of all time.
Now I assume it'll make some money somehow, but I kind of feel like this one's dead in the water.
It is crazy to see the behemoth of the MCU decide to get woke and then go
broke.
Well,
uh,
was it the,
the reviewer?
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The drunk reviewer.
What's his name?
Drinking. I hope his name is just the drunk reviewer. That his name drinking i hope his name is just a drunk reviewer that's
way better yeah australian dude what yeah yeah the drunken aussie movie yeah i know what you're
talking about he's a reviewer i know who i'm talking sorry i i it doesn't matter we'll figure
it out he he was saying that and that disney was required by contract to make critical drinker
yeah critical yeah okay they were required by contract to make this movie. Critical drinker. Yeah, critical drinker. They were required by contract to make this movie?
Yeah.
They didn't have a choice.
They signed an agreement to make this movie a long time ago,
and they tried to wiggle out, and they tried to get out,
and they were forced, basically, through their contracts
to finish it out.
And he's like, and it shows.
There's no passion.
Oh, it's the shortest movie they've done.
People are mentioning that it really looked like they were just trying to get rid of it yeah because they had to they
had to make it they signed the agreements a long time you know i think happened i think uh early
this is maybe like eight years ago man it's been that long like when they were doing avengers
infinity war they needed to get brie larson in it because they were like captain marvel will be
the new iron man yeah and so she signed a deal for so many films and then she appears in a bunch of commercials everyone despises her she's snooty
she's mean she goes on social media and she posts really awful nasty stuff and then they're just
like we need to get rid of her and she's cost them so much money here's the funny thing cancel
culture right they're firing these actors and actresses and you know why they're doing it
because they're like we are going to lose so much money because this woman went on
twitter and started calling israel genociders and all this stuff again not here to make an argument
about israel palestine they're they're they're looking at how much money they're going to lose
because of it and i get it and that's that's that's a tough that's a tough issue but understand this
so it was uh just the other day, and we had Danny Polish check on.
He made the excellent joke of, as soon as Elon Musk bought Twitter, everybody just went,
there are two genders.
But hold on.
It's funny because if you really think about it, isn't it absolutely insane that before
Elon acquired Twitter, if you said men are not women, you would get banned.
No question.
Megan Murphy, she's a writer and activist.
She tweeted men aren't women, though.
She didn't insult anybody.
They banned her for four years.
She was banned until finally.
I think it was because of Elon Musk gets brought back.
We actually lived in that world where you could not go on a major social media platform
and say, boys are boys and girls are girls.
But now, where are we?
What was happening back then is companies were genuinely terrified.
Dave Rubin had-
I don't think Sound of Freedom would have been as successful as it-
I don't think it would have hit terminal, sorry, escape velocity without Twitter.
They would have suspended you guys in two seconds.
They would have made up a reason.
We could have brute forced ourselves maybe to 80 million just through marketing. escape velocity without Twitter. They would have suspended you guys in two seconds. They would have made up a reason.
We could have brute forced ourselves maybe to 80 million just through marketing.
But the amount that it takes to get up to 250 million
requires you to hit escape velocity.
And without Twitter,
Twitter was the only social platform
where we were trending number one after it launched
over and over and over again.
All the rest of them, it's just not there. Did you have a plan for twitter when you were launching like did you go
in knowing that twitter was going to be a resource yeah we we actually that is why we got into
advertising on twitter is because now elon owned twitter and we were like we can actually trust
they're not gonna uh mess with mess with this we could see see when we were advertising the Sound of Freedom trailer
because of our advertising career,
like the number for the views
and the number of shares
that the videos got
and the amount of activity,
it just didn't match.
Like nobody would comment.
Nobody would like,
but they were being shared like crazy.
So you post your video,
people resharing it like extremely high rate,
super viral trailer on Facebook.
The second generation shares have no comments.
You can just go through.
They're fake.
So the first one, no, no, they're sharing.
Everybody's sharing it, but they're sharing it into the void.
Right, right.
They think I'm just sharing the video.
I'm excited I shared it.
And then no one sees it. no one comments on it and so the the reshares the second generation is where the
trick happens on these other social platforms is you you you you post it and a whole bunch of
people reshare it and you go oh my video is doing really well but then you go dig into the reshares
and they're not getting comments they They're not getting any engagement.
I think that Facebook should alter their advertising scheme so that if you
share an advertised post,
it's still going to get advertising pressure on your reshare.
Yes,
I agree with that.
Yeah.
Reshare should,
should be promoted.
So with,
uh,
with X,
I think,
I think,
uh,
let me go back in time, actually.
I knew these guys that were investigating advertising systems on big tech companies,
and they were saying at least half of all of the buys, purchases are fake.
When you say, I'm going to put $1,000 in ads towards this video,
and then you get, let's say, you know, 100,000 views, 50,000 are fake, fabricated.
And so what Elon Musk is- They're just bots yeah and so this is great for that makes sense with the performance before exactly but
here's that because it was awful performance you couldn't it was like brand marketing on twitter
that's the only way to do it but then elon musk changes everything and he says you have to it's
all ads are only going to appear on verified accounts only count against verified
user views smartest thing and no one really talks about it it's working what exactly what elon musk
is was saying to these advertisers is listen if you spend a hundred thousand dollars on that
platform how do you know you're getting real people with us on twitter users only get ads
uh ads only display against verified accounts and so the money is
only the money is only spent if verified individuals with check marks see the ad so now
when you when you when you spend a thousand bucks and you get ten thousand views oh it's so much
less so what it's real people you'll see your conversions go up yep that's huge i wanted to
kind of talk a little bit more about disney and and about how the
problems that they've been having let's um the uh we were saying that people are being fired from
from movies or i don't know if those disney movies but because of their talks about hamas
or israel or whatever i'm also concerned that big production companies um paramount i don't know
call them out by name if it even matters but they have large institutional investors i don't know, call them out by name if it even matters, but they have large institutional investors. I don't know if you guys do, too.
I know the Angels are like 100,000 people that all fund the programs together.
It's a mixture.
A mixture.
Okay, because if one big institutional guy is like, listen, my family's in Israel, and I want only pro-Israel movies and propaganda out there right now and full stop, then they're going to pull all their money from a company that's trying to make a movie
with an actor that's crapping on Israel, potentially.
And so these investors are deciding
the creative flow of the movie industry
in that sense, or that industry.
And that's a fail, man.
If you can't be as creative as you want
with your best actors and your craziest ideas,
good luck.
How can you compete with people that are doing that?
So how do you guys work with the institutional
to not get co-opted by the
institutional investments?
So the only way to get through angels through the angel guild,
so that those a hundred thousand people,
Jeffrey's the chief content officer.
He can't,
if he had,
if he loved your show,
Ian,
that you were,
you were sharing with us,
he can't take it there unless the angel guild sees it first.
And they are like that,
you know,
they,
they can see whether something has a
problem that's what the wisdom of crowds is is that yeah sound of freedom sound of freedom was
watched by 30 plus million people worldwide in theaters because a thousand guild members angel
guild members voted for that show yep wow so like if a movie got made with an actor that was making
these comments about haas or something,
but the angel investor, if the guild was like, we still love it, put it through, there's some dissent.
Are there investors that once it gets through, they're like, I'm not going to put money on that one?
Is that part of the process?
They have a choice.
They have a choice whether they want to invest in a project for sure.
Yeah.
It doesn't guarantee that we'll be able to get the film to do a partnership with the film.
Like there's still a lot of things that have to happen after the Guild.
But we cannot take a film into Angel Studios until it passes the Guild.
So there's 100,000 people.
They've invested in different projects.
They go on.
They become members of the Guild.
And then you get to, as a member of
the guild, you get to vote on the stuff that goes to theaters, vote on the stuff that goes on the
platform. And if you don't pass it, it doesn't come on angel. And is that the threshold? A
thousand people, you said a thousand people, a thousand is like tell statistical significance.
Yeah. Statistical significance of the audience. Yeah. And so you'll have, you know, a few hundred
to a thousand people watching each movie.
There's 21 movies submitted a week right now to Angel Studios on average.
21 movies a week.
There's a hundred plus thousand people going through these movies, voting.
Then they decide what comes in.
And then as a guild member, when you become a member of the guild, it's like an Amazon Prime membership or a Costco membership.
You get perks.
Like you get complimentary tickets to every single
movie because you're an angel executive like oh i was gonna say i like this i like this idea you
know ian's concern is one guy can be like i'm shutting your movie down because i don't like
what that person said that's impossible and exactly i may disagree with these these these
you know people cheering hamas or being critical of Israel to varying degrees.
But I do think they have a right to speak their mind.
And it is shocking when a studio says they're going to shut them down.
So I like the idea that with you guys, one person can't just do it.
It has to be a community effort.
So think about this way.
If you get a lead actor in a film and then he comes out, you know, to do press for it and says a whole bunch of nasty awful like
really shockingly offensive stuff and then the community says we don't want to go forward with
this project that that would end the project that's what i think that's the way to do it i'll
tell you why not all speech is socially acceptable if there was a guy who went out and started
demanding that schools start giving these books to kids i'm pretty sure a lot of people would be
like no no no no no no no no like this is not someone we want to support. That crosses a line
for something we don't want. By all means, he can go do his own thing, but we're not going
to greenlight it. However, it's not one guy. It's a large community that has to come to a
statistically significant decision amongst themselves. It's decentralization.
Is there a cap on individual investors so that one guy can't come in with
a hundred million and be like, I want to- Yeah. So the last investment, I think the cap was
10 or is it 15 last time? I don't know. $15,000. I don't remember the last one.
That's very small. Yeah.
$15,000. I thought you were going to say 15 million.
No, no. The cap, now the film was made with bigger investors,
but once it passed the guild and then it took on P&A money,
which is the way it did the crowd money.
What's P&A?
It's prints and advertising.
So back in the day when you,
prints meant you print out a reel of film
and ship it to every single theater
so that they can play it on their projectors.
Prints, and then you print out the the movie
posters those were the prints that cost a lot of money just to get those out to the world
and then advertising is how you promote and make awareness around the film so currently like prints
are like a lot of them are done over satellite and a lot of them are done with little hard drives
yeah you still mail the hard drives yeah to a lot of them is that just old guard like not figuring
out they can email it yet?
Yeah, they don't have great internet maybe.
Or their projectors aren't connected to the internet.
These are multi-terabyte movies.
These are multi-terabyte movies.
You have to have really good internet
in order to bring down that level of a film.
So prints and advertising are,
the prints are the printing out the posters
and that stuff and then advertising.
And the crowd invests in prints and advertising they did it for sound of freedom they put five
million dollars to get sound of freedom out to the theaters they put it into after death they
put it into his only son they put it in the shift which is coming out on december 1st and there's
thousands of people helping these movies get off the ground and they become angel investors and
then once you become an angel investor you become part of the guild and you get a vote on the next content that
comes in and you're part of the new gate, you're replacing the gatekeeper model, the old gatekeeper
model. And you're right, Ian. In the traditional system, one studio would cut the check for P&A
and they get to decide. And in this one, we want as many checks as possible
because all those people, they're part of the audience.
They want to be part of shaping the culture.
They're going to drag all their friends out to the movie,
all their relatives, everybody they can get.
I think an important distinction in the idea of cancel culture,
cancel culture was basically they would dig into your past,
find something you said 10 years ago that either is no longer uh culturally relevant or now is considered
unacceptable and use that to destroy your life or in the most egregious most egregious example
this race car driver's dad dropped a racial slur in the 80s before he was born so a sponsor dropped
him because of it i'm like that's insane but let's be real you know we had that woman on culture war
and she said i was pro-censorship because i said I don't want these these these adult books in grade schools.
And I'm like, yes. Next question. No question whatsoever. It's it's it's not this idea that we think everyone should be able to say literally anything in our private spaces or in our industry that we have to invest in it. Freedom of speech means you can live your life without government interference and opposing cancel culture.
First and foremost has to do with our moral basic lines, right? So what happens is the woke left
comes out and says, oh, we've, we've hereby decided that this thing is no longer acceptable
socially. And you're going to lose your job because of it. Or a lot or talking with this
person is no longer socially acceptable. And we're like, dude, dude, dude, what are dude what are you doing firing this person over this stuff these people are saying things that aren't
even that offensive men aren't women though and megan murphy gets banned from twitter for that
that's ridiculous now if someone went on twitter and literally was advocating for violence or
terror or genocide then we might be like well okay well now we're getting into dangerous territory
as for like the calls for extreme violence we've actually had a great conversation on this show about the limits of it.
If someone is speaking generally about war and conflict and targeting different groups, we kind of shrug.
We're like, look, when they when they call for death to Russians, Facebook allows that.
Now, if someone goes on Twitter and just tells people to like as he inputs an imminent threat targeting a group of people, then we say, okay, that's crossing the line.
But my view is this.
We shouldn't tolerate extremist opinions.
Like, we shouldn't have to pay for them and fund them.
I think we can allow and agree with on social media platforms a wide range of opinions that we disagree with and don't like to challenge.
But there's absolutely a red line for all of us where we're like, like this is too much and it's like advocating children be exposed to adult content
things like that probably crossing the line but uh the other thing i'll mention too is i'm not
here to be the arbiter of morality and tell you where a system like twitter should determine or x
where people can and can't say things my attitude will typically be let the crazy people say the crazy things so we can know they're saying it.
That being said, if an actor came out and was advocating for a whole bunch of really nasty stuff,
like grooming kids and things like that, I certainly would not want to be involved in a project with them.
And I think that's fair that people would say no to it.
The big difference is, we're taking back the Overton window,
where the left said that saying something
like we should have immigration controls. Oh, you're canceled. You're fired. That's what's
crazy. That's a reasonable thing to say. Yeah, I think it is. I mean, I think part of the desire
to push the window so far is to obscure the idea of what's right and what's wrong. I think there
are a lot of people who I wouldn't agree with politically who would also say, no, I don't want children exposed to sexual content
at a young age or inappropriately.
But there is another narrative,
especially on the progressive left,
that says, oh, well, maybe you're oppressing someone
by saying those urges are bad or condemning them.
They want there to be no hard line, no.
And I think they want you to feel more okay
with compromising your values.
And that's very, there's no way to maintain a culture if that's also the energy that
when I first when I first went to college one of my friends her dad said
you can go to college and keep an open mind but not so open that your brains
fall out mm-hmm we got it we got to jump to this story because ladies and
gentlemen we're winning from Naples news comedian matt rife sparks controversy with joke in netflix
special is he performing in florida well i chose this local news outlet for a reason mostly because
it just documents the controversy around comedian matt rife he had a netflix special where he
appeared to mock domestic violence victims how dare he i really really don't care
that he did and here's the best part here's from nbc news comedian matt rife responds to netflix
special backlash with a link to special needs helmets he made a post and said it for everybody
who was offended by my joke here's a link to my apology and when you clicked it it
load up i wonder if they have an image of it i don't think they do it loaded up a a shopping
website for special needs helmets for people who are you know differently abled as it were get them
dude i'm just saying shout out to this comedian but we're starting to win back see this is this
is the point about cancel culture i have almost i would say almost no problem with the limiting of certain speech i say almost
because we try to be very careful we want to make sure people have right to express themselves
legitimately legitimately but you know like people posting adult content is not legitimate expression
for it's obscene for kids i think it's fair to say that we're going to be like no way this dude
made a joke that's it grow up have a nice day laugh or don't five years ago this dude
would have been fired in two seconds look at was it shane gillis was that the comedian what shane
got fired from snl like what did he do a month of getting hired or something like an accent or
something joke in the past uh like in those like years ago prior like an open mic or something
like that where he made fun of uh asian americans and he said that right right right yeah yeah he did an accent he's a great impressionist by the
way yeah and as as as an asian american myself i thought it was hilarious and they fired him
because of it yep correct we're winning this story shows we're winning it's not just about the the
culture that's being built it's about it this dude's 28 and he's got a netflix special and he's
like don't like my joke i'm to double down and insult you even further.
Well, and they, I mean, Bill Barr had this joke for a long time about, you know, of course.
Bill Barr.
Bill Barr, sorry.
I don't know if Bill Barr has ever had a joke in his life.
But Bill Barr has had this joke where he says, you know, you know, they always say there's
never a reason to hit a woman.
But, you know, is that true?
You could wake me from a drunken stupor and i could give you at least 10 or something like that like that's like alluding to domestic violence but
people laugh i think he did this joke on some you know mainstream uh late night show and so it's
interesting how it was something people tolerated and now they're like new young comedian you have
to fall in line or or stop you know it sounds like the crowd is flailing and they're like, well, my anger that's left over
from five years ago, stop.
And then he knows,
Matt Reif knows if he gets fired,
he's good to go.
Like look at Shane Gillis,
his career is off the charts right now.
He's interfacing with Rogan.
Matt Reif's already been on Rogan's podcast once.
We have defeated,
the woke beast is flailing.
Cancel culture is dying. We are succeeding across the board. beast is is flailing cancel culture is dying we are succeeding across the
board hollywood is failing cable network news is failing the corporate press is struggling
elon musk has launched this nuclear lawsuit against media matters trump truth social has
just sued 20 news organizations the amount of victories and the expansion of uh of our efforts
is just so tremendous right now.
Ladies and gentlemen, you've got a lot to be thankful for this Thursday.
Although, stay concerned because it's like they have the power, and I say they kind of vaguely, but to turn off your money.
So the whole system is rigged up so that Visa, the central banks can shut off your access to a bank account and no more U.S. dollars for you.
And that's like their atom bomb in the pocket so we don't want to celebrate like we've won a war or any kind of
long-standing i mean i think cryptocurrency is fascinating that we have other ways bitcoin
particularly bitcoin i mean i like a lot i like a lot of just the idea of being able to
but you guys only like bitcoin you're a bit of a bitcoin maxi. A lot of my friends are too. And they're like, do Bitcoin suck?
I started in Bitcoin in 2013, then bought in.
And then we made a documentary film called Life on Bitcoin where this married couple,
you can read it on Amazon and stuff, but this couple lives on Bitcoin for 90 days,
their first 90 days of their marriage, only Bitcoin in 2013.
Then we got into Ethereum and other-
Litecoin.
Litecoin and all the other coins.
And I was like, I was thinking about it like a technology where I was like, number two is Facebook or number Google came after Microsoft, et cetera.
So the better technology is going to win.
And then by a couple of years ago, maybe a few years ago, I started thinking about it more like an economist where I'm thinking about hard money.
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And what it actually means and what Bitcoin does well is money.
That is the one thing it does well and it does it better than any of the other cryptocurrencies.
Bitcoin is the money.
It's the best at it.
And I switched back.
And we can take a look at El Salvador.
Yes.
And it's just like booming, booming, booming, booming.
It's amazing.
Bukele brought us down for Sound of Freedom and did like- He was the first in an American country and he screened it.
Dude, he knows what's up. That dude's amazing. And here's a crazy story for you guys. for sound of freedom and did like he's the first american country to and he screened it dude he
knows what's up that dude's amazing yeah and uh here's here's a crazy story for you guys you're
gonna love this one there was a uh an illegal immigrant united states who applied for asylum
claiming that he was facing persecution in his home country his home country was el salvador
the persecution he was a gang member that was going to go to jail. So he comes to
the U.S. and get this. They release him.
And then later we're like, wait, wait, wait, wait. What was the persecution?
Oh, he's a gang member wanted
for crimes. Okay, we got to arrest
him now. That's how crazy things are up here.
Then a guy was like, they're going to arrest me
for my group affiliation. What's your
group? I'm a gang member.
Well, the U.N. operation was like, okay,
that makes sense yeah right like
that they didn't even either they didn't ask or they asked them were like that does seem hard i
wouldn't want to go to jail either into the u.s with you it's pathetic it's going to be so great
thanksgiving you know all everybody who's aligned with freedom meritocracy anti-woke you're going
to be sitting there with with a smile on your face as your woke relatives
are just grumbling and angry biden's losing hollywood's crumbling they're losing money and
you can just be like i don't even need to argue with you we're we're on we're on the cusp of
victory here you guys ever take do you take bitcoin for angel studios as currency or is that
too much of a reserve of bitcoin yeah and we've. And we have a reserve and we've also done Bitcoin tipping with Tuttle Twins. There's a whole
episode on Bitcoin. One of our rounds, we took on a $10 million chunk of Bitcoin as a reserve
for the company. Wow. Yeah. Just as kind of a backup.
You just bought it? Just switched it in cash into Bitcoin?
No. A fund invested in Angel and we said,
we'll take your investment.
We'll sell stock for Bitcoin.
How long ago was that?
It's been a while.
Yeah.
So now it's like 100 million or something?
No, no.
It wasn't that long ago.
It's still in the same.
I mean, Bitcoin's up to what, like 36 right now?
I think it was 37 today.
37.
It's just going up.
I mean, now that, what's his name?
Javier Mele got elected in Argentina. He's talking about switching them over to Bitcoin. Well, yeah. now i think it was a 37 today 37 it's just going up i mean now that um what's his name javier malay
got elected in argentina is talking about switching them over to bitcoin well yeah he's first going to
go to the dollar and then he said bitcoin bitcoin yeah yeah oh the dollar is an interim he's going
to do the same thing as bukele those guys are yeah they're buds i guess bukele's coming down there to
hang out with him like for the inauguration bolsonaro's going to be there yo dude what a
time okay i mean come on how how are people how could anyone
be pessimistic right now this is just so amazing i mean especially with all the stuff you guys are
doing i'm just like i'm i'm a fan of that guy he's oh yeah afuera he's bold
i think there are a lot of americans he won over you know the day after his election because they
watched him online pretending no
that he was going to do something different yeah there was a three i think it's a three-person
election and then he and one of the others got the runoff and the other the third person all
they all voted essentially we're all just going to vote for um la he i guess they announced uh
within 21 days they will end the ministry of diversity gender and inclusivity or whatever
he's like out and there's some tweet that was like,
so there's illegal to have a gender now in Argentina.
It's like, no, it's illegal to be a terrible bureaucracy
that ruins people's lives.
It's crazy, I know.
It's not illegal, it's just shutting down a department.
How dare he?
The department has to exist.
Biology lives on.
Exactly.
Getting rid of a department doesn't mean you don't like the thing
that the department is named. Sometimes the name isn't even accurate. I want to get rid of a department doesn't mean you don't like the thing that the department is named.
Sometimes the name
isn't even accurate.
I want to get rid of
the Department of Education,
but that doesn't mean
I don't believe in education.
Look at Public Square.
You want everyone
to be illiterate.
You're admitting it here and now.
It's like Public Square
put out a statement
about their revenue.
They're making millions.
They're expanding.
They launched their
e-commerce officially.
I think it's officially launched, right? The e-commerce officially i think i think it's officially
launched right the e-commerce on public square i'm just looking at this year has been absolutely
fantastic you know the 2010s were crazy let me stress you could not say on twitter men aren't
women they would ban you for that absolutely crazy look how far we look how far we've come
and it's cool because we do get on to all kinds of people for saying you know the republicans don't
do anything or like local people just focus on national politics. They don't change anything in their own communities. And I do think you're starting to see the results of people taking initiative and especially in the case of Public Square, seeing something that was needed and creating it. And I think you guys are similar with the work that you do. Yeah. I don't know if they take crypto yet, public square. That's going to be interesting when that happens. If you took Bitcoin to watch a movie, I could pay you in Bitcoin. Would there
be like a tax hell unleashed upon the company for taking Bitcoin as payment? Or is it past that now,
where you can take it, convert it to cash? The US treats it as capital gains tax.
Which makes it more difficult. And they just made a new change to where accountants can handle Bitcoin on their balance sheet a lot easier, which is going to help companies hold Bitcoin.
It's going to make a big difference.
Companies that have huge cash reserves where we're seeing inflation, like I don't know if you guys have been at the grocery store lately, but things are getting freaking expensive.
Insane.
And it's shocking.
And I'm not in the lower income brackets.
And I just can't believe how expensive it is.
And so our reserves,
our cash reserves as companies are losing value the longer they sit.
So the more cash you have,
and so there's going to be a lot more companies
coming in and saying,
we're going to put a huge chunk of our reserves in Bitcoin.
Dude, I mentioned this the other day.
We went to Weiss.
I buy these salami packs.
We usually have a bunch of them downstairs for everybody to eat they're twelve dollars a pack now and it's just it's just like actually that breaks my heart more than almost anything
else has seen food little tiny ones go up because i i know like we grew up in a family with nine
kids in idaho and it was like a tiny income, like $13,000 a year. We came from the very lowest
tier and it breaks my heart to see people who have been saving and working their whole lives,
just like taking huge steps back because it's theft. It's theft through inflation.
Yeah. The CEO of Strike just said that the US needs to-
They got to refinance.
Refinance their debt about 10 trillion over the next 18 to 24 months.
Wow.
And he says, in terms of scale, that's 3x the scale of COVID.
So if COVID generated the kind of inflation we just saw,
refinancing that debt is going to generate-
Look, I'm not going to give anybody financial advice or anything,
so don't take this advice,
but if Argentina does a fast shift into Bitcoin,
like El Salvador did,
Argentina is much larger, much wealthier.
It's a huge country.
Bitcoin is going to jump in value two or three times,
I could only imagine.
You said it was the CEO of Strike?
Strike.
What's Strike? It's a Bitcoin technology. You get a Strike app. in value two or three times i could only imagine you said it was the ceo of strike strike what's
strike it's a it's a bitcoin technology you can you can just you get a strike app it's like paypal
but you just buy bitcoin and you can actually set it up to buy bitcoin every hour so i buy a little
bit every single hour on strike do you guys ever have no i want to jump i want to jump to another
story here because i know i i want to cover this last one and then get into the movie stuff
it's just been too much good news man ladies and gentlemen i got such amazing news for all of you I want to jump to another story here because I want to cover this last one and then get into the movie stuff.
It's just been too much good news, man.
Ladies and gentlemen, I got such amazing news for all of you.
This is from U.S. News.
Maryland handgun licensure law is unconstitutional.
U.S. court rules.
This is massive.
OK, a U.S. appeals court. This is federal.
On Tuesday, declared that Maryland's licensing requirements for people seeking to buy handguns were unconstitutional, setting a landmark U.S. Supreme Court decision last year
that expanded gun rights. Let me break it down for you. In Maryland, to get a gun, you got to
take a safety class, like a four-hour program, and then get a license, and then you can do this.
A lot of states do this, and now a U.Ss federal court has just said not anymore this is a major milestone in
universal federal constitutional carry which we should have because the the the constitution is
federal yet state by state we are still fighting this battle over constitutional carry now
more than half the country is constitutional carry and those that remain the evil states
they call them the evil seven.
They're now losing time and time again. This will probably get appealed. We'll see what happens if it goes to the Supreme Court, but for the time being a massive victory. So at first we had this
lawsuit. It was, it was Bruin. I think it was Bruin, right? Where they said, you can't, uh,
you have to issue a permit. If a permit is requested, New Jersey and Maryland and New
York are three examples of states where you'd go in and say, I'd like to get a gun. They'd say, great,
fill out this form. And the form would say, what's your reason? And if you were like,
I'm an American citizen who wants to keep and bear arms, they'd say, not good enough.
And they deny you your permit or they'd lie. So the Supreme Court says, no, no, no, that's
unconstitutional. You're borrowing guns. You have to do it. Maryland and New Jersey and New York would not give you a permit. They'd give you one only if
you were rich or famous and could prove you were rich and famous. The other way to get it is if you
handle large sums of cash, like working at a bank, they would allow you to get a permit as
a security guard. But so almost nobody gets them. Now they've lost lost that and the latest news is they said okay
fine you can get a gun but you gotta take a class and now the courts are like nah you don't you can
have a gun so maryland is about to be forced by a judicial review to become constitutional carry
this this rule is a major push we may eventually see and i'm talking like in a in two or three
years maybe four,
depending on how long it takes the Supreme Court.
But we could see in the next several years nationwide constitutional carry,
which means you can be in Maryland and carry concealed and drive to any state you want and not go to prison for doing so.
Which is insane if you think about it,
because the Constitution of the United States says you have the right to keep and bear arms.
So why is that if you go from Virginia to West Virginia, you're fine. that if you go to from virginia to west virginia you're fine and if you go to
maryland now you're committing a felony that's insane because maryland doesn't think you should
have a gun right and also maryland has you know a very intense crime road city i'm talking about
baltimore of course uh they don't know how to handle these issues but they think we'll ban guns
and that will make everything okay they don't understand the problems they have because they don't acknowledge what they're trying to say look at
brazil when bossanaro came in i don't agree with everything bossanaro did but one of the things he
did is he said people should be able to own firearms and crime dropped during his period
my wife's brazilian so my kids are all half brazilian We spend a lot of time down there. But crime dropped by 30% during his time.
And all the academics were trying to explain it away and say,
well, it wasn't because of guns.
It was because of the air.
Are there good policies that he was implementing?
Please name which one.
He just got lucky.
Was he doing what they did in San Francisco, making crime legal
and then not classifying it as a crime anymore?
Ball's serious question. I don't know. Was he doing what they did in San Francisco, making crime legal and then not classifying it as a crime anymore? Ball scenario is kind of the opposite end of that one.
He's the lock him up and throw away the key type.
30 percent.
Do you know how much of that was violent crime that diminished?
I don't know all the super details, but it was stunning how much impact it had.
Amazing. was it was stunning how much impact it had amazing well i i i um i can't remember which state it was
but i remember a story that i that i learned about when i was like 18 that um it might have been
michigan or wisconsin some state enacted a gun control law and then crime skyrocketed like 87
so they immediately uh repealed it like oh crap that was a big mistake and uh illinois just outside of chicago has has
has a city with some of the highest crime in the country believe it or not a lot of people think
you're gonna get the highest crime rates in like per city but yes there's this one part of uh
illinois that has one of the highest crime rates it's actually a wealthy shopping district so it's
not murders and stuff it's just everybody's getting robbed and mugged nonstop.
Look, man, if you live in Illinois, these criminals know you don't got a gun.
Is there a value to making it constitutionally legal statewide except for in the big cities?
Or that just caused too much confusion?
And if you ever had to like go like I think about Tennessee, where there are three major
cities across.
If you ever drive across Tennessee, what are you going to do?
Like go around it to avoid it?
At some point, you're just putting a burden on the law abiding citizens,
and you're not actually dealing with those people who don't care about your laws
and will bring a gun there anyways.
I guess are the highways federal?
Are they all state?
They're federal.
Well, no, I mean, they're state and federal highways.
So typically, the way the law is supposed to work is if you're on a federal highway,
an interstate, you're allowed to carry you know under certain circumstances typically you're allowed to
transport but if you get off at any point for gas oh they're going to get you i know people who've
had this happen to them otherwise if you don't have this what happens is you end up if you're
in sao paulo or any area of brazil and it hasn't begun to be illegal for a long time there before
bosonero you have these walls that are as tall as your ceiling and on top of the walls it's just a bunch of broken glass bottles cemented
into the top of the wall because people are poor they can't afford really great security and so
they just build a big wall and put broken glass bottles on they build a wall you say yeah what a
great idea so this is actually crazy but around every single little tiny house, there's a wall with broken glass bottles.
That's your last defense
when you don't have any way to defend yourself.
And if you call the police,
they'll show up in like an hour.
Oh, right.
But I mean, let's be honest,
that's how it is in the US.
Yeah, it's starting to get that way.
My experience in Chicago has always been that way.
Okay.
I'm a farm boy.
Yeah.
Suburb was a little different.
See, the only consideration when you're in the rural areas
is how long will it take for them to drive there.
That's right.
Because they'll come as fast as they can.
Exactly.
But it might be 20 minutes.
But in the city,
you could have a police station down the street,
and this has happened to me and my family,
and had someone,
let's just say engaging in violence against our property,
and literally a block away
and the cops didn't show up for half an hour.
It's because they're dealing with like,
like actual violent murder or something.
Or they're passing out parking tickets.
Yeah.
Or they're just like, who cares?
Like, what are we going to do about it?
In the suburbs.
Like, man, that sounds really bad.
We'll stay away from there.
It was okay response.
I'm in the suburbs,
but out in the country,
like, I mean, 20 minutes is not acceptable. I't well this is the reality man when when we when i lived
in florida if we if we we didn't have police if we called the sheriff it was going to be an hour
hour and a half so you need a gun i i was talking to a friend of mine who was like there is no she
told me there's absolutely no reason anyone should have a gun give me one reason i said okay well i lived in uh rural florida uh 40 miles outside of miami on a five
acre property and we didn't have a gun we had a uh break break action air uh compression right 22
pellet rifle and uh there was a there was word going around the neighbors that uh someone had
been murdered it was a home invasion illegal illegal immigrants had broken in and killed some people and they were not caught so one day me and my friends
are hanging out in the kitchen we're making pizzas because we like to just make all different
kinds of pizza for fun we make weird ones we made a fruit pizza once with like jam and kiwis and
stuff just goofing off and i see a guy in my backyard with a flashlight and i'm like these
there are six foot tall fences surrounding the property and And so I'm like, okay, I can call a sheriff right now and maybe in an hour and a half,
we'll figure it out.
So I'm not going to say it's the responsible thing to do, but I compressed air in the rifle,
went out, dry fired, bang.
And I yelled, hey, they bolted, jumped the fence and they were gone.
Perhaps the smartest thing to do.
It's all I could do at the time.
And it made me think like, we probably shouldn't be out here unless we're able to defend ourselves and so i said okay
what would have happened if that was the murderer who who had you know killed somebody else and he
realized it was just an airsoft gun or or no no i didn't have anything i mean they hear a bang they
run for it they're not going to try and figure out what it was it's a it's it's it's a loud it's a
loud weapon and and to be honest those things are are dangerous. Not as dangerous as like a Ruger 10-22.
But let's say we're totally disarmed.
And this guy comes up to the property armed.
I call the police.
They'll be here in an hour and a half.
What should I do?
You're back to the biggest man wins.
She had no answer.
She had no answer.
She's like, oh, I don't know.
That person shouldn't have a gun.
I'm like, you're right, but they have one because they're committing a crime.
What should I do?
Should I just die? You should tell them they shouldn't have a gun and then they'll be like oh
my mistake i'll put it down and there's no let me pause the game there's no answer the answer is you
need to be able to defend yourself from bad people and law-abiding citizens are not the risk yeah
yeah i just and you guys are parents like when your kids are old enough to live by themselves
would you feel better if they like live had a gun and knew how to how to defend themselves if they
live alone right on what to do.
It does make sense.
It's weird to me that the response to,
I have a fear about gun is to ban them as opposed to train more people
to know how to operate them
and to feel comfortable with them.
And that means that you're not,
probably not addressing what your actual fear is,
which is crime.
And that's a different conversation than-
I remember after the Aurora, Colorado shooting,
I said to my wife and I was just like, I'm never like I'm getting a gun and I have a phobia of pistols.
I like not because I don't. I'm a big supporter of self-defense and the Second Amendment, but I have a phobia.
So I'm going to go take classes down in Nevada, a week long class on how to do this. And I'm going to become as well trained as any police officer so that I know,
and I have confidence that I know how to use it and I know how to protect
myself.
And I'll never regret being in like that.
I didn't do that.
Right.
Um,
but I wanted,
I wanted to be trained.
I wanted to know and to try to get rid of the phobia.
Yeah.
And according to self defense instructors,
you'll be the guy that they run to
if anything pops off
because they all know you know what you're doing.
They'll be clinging to you.
Just in from a super chatter,
Oregon judge struck down a gun control measure
just within the last three hours.
We're winning too fast here.
Harney County judge rules Oregon gun measure.
I'm getting tired of winning.
Measure 114 unconstitutional.
It looked like they were trying to create a 30-day delay.
Oregon has really intense rules.
But they shut that down.
I'm getting tired of winning, guys.
We're just winning too much.
She's going to have to get used to it.
Well, let's talk about what you guys are working on now
because you've got a new movie coming out on,
not this week.
December 1st.
Yeah, the next week, Friday.
This is a good one. This is a good one.
This is a good one.
Should we play the trailer?
But I think you guys think they're all good though, right?
No, they're all good because they all pass the guild.
Yeah.
99% of the projects that go through the guild do not pass because they're not, like, it's a high threshold.
We've had major filmmakers come in, go into the guild, fail, get really mad. Cause they're like,
I'm my name. Like you should at least just like, I'm marketable. And it's like, no,
they didn't like it. So, and they're like, oh, we'll never.
Well, so the new movie that you guys got coming out, everybody knows sound of freedom. It was
awesome. It was huge. Now you've got the shift, which is December 1st. You want to tell us about
it? This is our first original. This mirrors our story.
We met the filmmaker and writer in 2017.
His name's Brock Heasley.
This guy has this most amazing story.
When he was a kid, his dad was actually a pawn shop owner,
gunned down in California,
ended up living, was on Rescue 911 to tell his story. And then Brock, when he was
a missionary, his dad was shot again, and his dad was killed. So Brock started writing to deal with
everything that he was going through in life. And then he and his wife went through the worst time
where they lost everything.
They both lost their jobs on the same day.
They were just destitute.
And he made this film with pizza money, this short film.
And then he said, I'm going to take this over to Angel Studios
and see how the Angel Guild likes this short film.
And they caught the vision of it five years ago.
And he's gone through a process of creating this film.
And the score on the film just keeps getting higher and higher and higher.
And it gets better and better and better.
Until just, what was it, 60 days ago or so,
they passed the Guild to get into theaters.
Yep.
Wow.
And so we went ahead and said, all right, we're going forward with December 1st.
And they went through the Guild a lot of times, meaning they resubmitted this film.
They raised, he took a $500 short film made with pizza money,
built a $6.5 million budget, brought in Neil McDonough from Band of Brothers.
Sean Astin from Lord of the Rings and from Stranger Things.
Yes.
Liz Tabish, who plays Mary Magdalene in The Chosen.
Paris Patel, who plays Matthew in The Chosen.
And then Chris Palaha, who's like the biggest star on Hallmark.
And he's very, very good at the romance stuff, which this is a dystopian romance.
And he made this
film.
It is, it is a, and it's going nationwide.
First time director, first time writer for a
film.
Uh, and this, this is going nationwide on
December 1st.
Is the writer, the director?
Yeah.
What's his name again?
Brock Heasley.
Heasley.
Heasley.
H E A S L E Y. Yeah. Yeah. Heasley. Whatley heasley h-e-a-s-l-e-y yeah yeah easily what did he shoot the 500 thing
on well how did he make that with 500 bucks bunch of friends and favors um call them favors from
his friends and bought bought them pizza yep oh it's so and he submitted that to angel and then
they they caught the vision off of that and he crowdfunded over time it took him a while but
he crowdfunded and raised 6.5 million dollars and built this film but back when he passed the guild
my wife said she she watched the short and she's like i don't get it neil i don't get why you like
this film or why the guild liked this film and then he got to the full feature because the original
was you know it was dark it was this retells the story of job
in like a sci-fi world and she just didn't get it then she watched the the screener after he
finished the film finished shooting it and and uh and she's like i love this film and and it's
testing extremely well should we play the trailer yep yeah all right we got a trailer right here
let's uh let's pull it up and play it for you guys you guys ready here we go where's my wife i shifted her
what do you want with me
this is not my world
i've never been to this lake before.
Never walked its shores.
But I will find my way back.
And I will find my way back to my Molly.
Five years ago, I was left in this dark place.
Taken from my wife.
The people here have no hope. You still looking for that wife of yours? You're clinging to scraps of rumors.
And then, he arrived.
Where's my wife?
I shifted her.
For every choice you make,
there are countless other realities where you make a different choice.
You're talking about parallel Earths.
Imagine having the power to move people
from one reality to the next.
To shift them.
Whoa!
What do you want with me?
I can make you a king.
Imagine everything you have ever wanted.
Work for me and get back with the woman that you love.
Okay, we go on a date and maybe we kiss.
Hopefully.
He's mighty shift you back to your wife. It's a trick
That's just you that's the last choice. I'm ever gonna make
Leave you alone
I've seen a bunch of people like us out there
They can feel a little hope.
There is nothing that I won't do to you.
You can't just shoot the devil. There is so much evil and inhumanity
in this world, but there is
also beauty and hope
and I will find my way
back to her.
Right on.
Man, I just gotta say, you know,
I like winning. Winning the
Culture Wars is fantastic. Sound of Freedom was amazing. I'm looking forward to this. I'm trying to pull up my local movie theater to see, I like winning. Winning the culture wars is fantastic.
Sound of Freedom was amazing.
I'm looking forward to this.
I'm trying to pull up my local movie theater to see if I can get tickets right now.
Go to angel.com slash the shift
and you can see all the different show times
there are right now.
I think we're almost to 2,000 theaters right now.
The lesson I learned from the second time we watched
because we watched it before the show went live
is don't talk on your phone while you're driving.
That guy, if you catch that one second,
he blicks his eye to see who it is.
Oncoming traffic. I'm glad we've learned this lesson.
Just put it on silent, ignore the thing.
What was the URL?
Angel.com
slash the shift.
So when the guy who came up with
this was resubmitting it to
the guild, did they provide him feedback on we need to shift this?
I mean, so it's a very collaborative, responsive process.
What happens when you go to the Angel Guild
and you sign up,
and we actually have a URL for TimCast
where you go angel.com slash TimCast
will let you sign up for the guild.
You can go there, you can become a member of the guild,
and you can start voting on content.
And you get complimentary tickets to every single movie. So when you up you get it's already the guild already gets to watch sound
of freedom they already get to watch after death you get to watch tell twins early and then you're
going to get two free tickets to uh the shift you'll get two free tickets to this new movie
called cabrini coming out next year so on but you're building and you And you get to watch the next Sound of Freedom far before anybody else does.
So angel.com slash Timcast will get you to the guild.
But with the shift, he submitted to the guild
again and again rough cuts.
And there's 100,000 guild members.
And so you get several hundred to a thousand people
watching it and then they give you a signal
and it comes out as a score, zero to a hundred.
Usually like to pass,
you have to be at least a 60 on that score.
It's a,
it's a signal of how passionate people are about your film.
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And like the high 60s or low 70s
will put you at like 99% audience scores
on Rotten Tomatoes.
Like Sound of Freedom was a 76?
It was a 74.
74.
74 Sound of Freedom.
99 to 100% on Rotten Tomatoes.
Yeah.
The Sound of Freedom is the most highest audience rated blockbuster of all time on Rotten Tomatoes for audiences.
And, but the, the shift, he went back, I think like 12 different times and just kept getting the signal.
I'm off.
And we don't tell you why you're off.
You just see the number you know
you're not there yet and then you can read all the comments from everybody and try to go through
the noise and find the signal as a filmmaker so we're not going to tell you what's wrong with
your film but people do provide comments they do provide comments so that you can try to
sift through the noise and find the signal as an artist to say uh this is what's wrong because
sometimes people give you they say one thing but you as an artist to say, uh, this is what's wrong because sometimes people give
you, they say one thing, but you as an artist realize, oh, what's actually wrong is something
totally different.
And you solve their problem in a different way.
For instance, they'd be like, I don't like that character, but you realize that the audio
is not right on that character's scenes.
Exactly.
Or you haven't made him sympathetic enough.
Exactly.
You need something else.
With Sound of Freedom, there was early on people were saying the movie's too long, but the movie wasn't too long.
We ended up cutting where, what the problem was,
is it went too deep at the beginning on the difficulty of the children, right?
It just went too deep and people couldn't get out at the end
and actually enjoy the thriller part of the movie because the heartache was so heavy.
And so we actually cut down, the director cut down the intro of the film because the heart is so heavy and so we actually cut down the director cut down
the intro of the film not a lot when everybody was saying cut the way the audience would respond
to say it just feels long and so you think oh i'm going to go cut down the slow parts
not these parts where everybody's bawling i'm going to go cut down the non-emotional parts and
but where it needed to be cut down was just a little bit in the heavier stuff because they went too deep and then it felt long because they were exhausted by the end.
Yeah. And a cut down doesn't just mean like shortening. It means like be more.
Just tight.
Yeah. Have a, have a critical eye of what exactly is conveying what you want. I think
it's not like you're saying cut all of your movie. It's saying, you know, review it. It's
the same thing with an editorial piece, right? You could say something with 5,000 words,
but if you have one line that really conveys the meaning, that's honestly,
you know, much more powerful. Yeah. And what will blow your mind with the shift
is Liz Tabish's performance. The one who plays Mary Magdalene. She, she shines in this. I've
got a quote here that just came in from Eric Artel, who's a major TikToker. And he said,
Elizabeth Tabish gives the performance of her career. And if you've seen the chosen,
you know,
she's super good.
Her depth and vulnerability brought me to tears.
And we've seen also with Eric,
um,
sorry,
with,
with,
with Chris Palaha,
who's the,
they call him sometimes the Prince of Hallmark.
That's his normal world as he does Hallmark movies.
Everybody who's watching right now who watches Hallmark knows who Chris Palaha is. He's a star.
But he's doing something
totally different in this movie. It's a very
intense thriller.
He says it's the culmination of his
career for him. He loves this movie.
And he knows how to do romance so well.
So him and Liz got this chemistry
to the point you're just like, these
two, what did one person
say? One review was like, you can tell these two uh what did one person say one review was like you
can tell these two people want to procreate it doesn't it doesn't show anything sean astin is
unbelievable neil mcdonough in my opinion gives the performance of his career in this movie he's
great this movie is awesome we're having especially women are telling us that this is the best movie angels done.
And that is a big deal when you're thinking about now men, men don't put as high sound
of freedom.
Sound of freedom is the way I think the dude saving children is like really male.
I got text messages from friends are like, can we go kill some pedophiles after they
watch the movie?
I think like, ah, that's not that's the law
enforcement yeah yeah but that's how they feel they're just like let me at them with the patriot
right the patriot is like people are like yeah this is a great country i feel good about this
i mean i think men and women watch film and tv and movies for a different emotional reaction so
that's right interesting so women love this movie it's like and and it is selling out all over the country there's movie
theater is selling out all over the country and we're up against napoleon so it's a it's a hard
i heard bad things about who's playing napoleon someone well-known actor oh it's walking yeah
it's walking yeah walking is amazing but the when you watch this some of one one one person said
after they watched they're like with ch Chris Palaha, they're like,
it's like my brain is like, this is like if Christopher Nolan
directed a Hallmark film.
Yeah.
It feels like they took the guy out of office space
and like shifted him into that reality where he's like,
I mean, he just kind of looks like, what's his name from office?
You can't describe this.
He's also the handsome guy on a Marvel movie.
Yeah, he's in Marvel Avengers.
He's in Avengers.
Chris is?
Endgame, yeah.
But in the credits, he's handsome man.
Oh, hell yeah.
In the Guild, is there a discrepancy between-
He is a very good looking man.
I agree, actually.
Very good looking.
I'm glad they cut his face up for the movie
so they can stop getting typecast.
Do you have the male to female ratio in the
guild is that noticeable in the way they vote yeah so the women rate this super high the men
don't start rating it high until the special effects and the sound design came in so women
started rating this really high early on because they don't care if sci-fi movies just look like
people walking around with plastic guns until you add in all the sound design going and the, and the lasers and the, you know, once all that stuff came in, the men are like, yeah, this is an awesome movie.
But the women were on board before that because they're like, this love story is palpable.
When you're waiting the votes from the guild, do you ever take into account the females?
A lot of females voted a nine, a lot of females voted a nine a lot of men
voted a three so let's we're focused more on yeah we're focused we actually shifted the focus of our
marketing this trailer is a little more male focused but we we've shifted a lot of it towards
the romance side because this is a lot of people say this feels like hunger games which is a teenage
romance dystopian romance right it's a yeah it does have a vibe i get that
it's got a kind of a hunger game in fact it's trailer in front of the yeah it's trailer in
in front of hunger games right now interesting so if you watch that's just through the the trailer
it gives that so if you go watch if you go watch hunger games in uh in regal you're gonna see this
trailer in front of me but like for a different movie that's more romance vibe, you would have a different trailer?
Yeah.
That highlights the romantic.
We have focuses on romance for women, the story of Job,
which is this is a modern telling of the story of Job
for the more faith-oriented groups.
And then you've got the thriller element, which is for men,
like that men come for the sci-fi. Is that common when you're making trailers to do one for women and is for men. Like, that men come for the sci-fi.
Is that common
when you're making trailers
to do one for women
and one for men?
We line them out
and we say,
this is going to this group,
this is going to this group.
You know,
you're hitting.
Like any other marketing.
Yeah.
Targeted ads.
Can I ask how much
demographic information
you have about the guild?
Like,
you guys are based
in Utah.
Is that where the guild was
or do you find
that they're international? So the guild is made up, so the that where the guild was? Or do you find that they're international?
So the guild is made up.
So the initiation of the guild came all from investors.
And because we are regulated by the SEC and FINRA
for crowdfunding, it was a US-centric group.
Except for the Angel investors.
And do you feel that, but do you feel like
that's represented in the people who participate?
Like, do you feel like you have a broad selection
of people from across the country?
But if you go to angel.com Tim timcast you can now sign up for a membership
anywhere in the world and so um the guild is growing very quickly but it's not utah but it's
not it's not it's it's every single state that's interesting you have almost i think 200 000
websites there's 175k yeah 175 000 i'm just wondering if it's like you know word of mouth
like you guys are in your community and saying we're starting things so your friends sign up
and it grows from there or if it is something that you know the more you get your friends to sign up
the more weight your culture has on the guild like if tim cast fans all come and sign up
then when you when you bring a movie to angel you're much more likely to succeed because your
demographics more represented and i there are cities across america i remember i mean texas there are a couple
um i think matthew conahan a couple other actors who are trying to push texas growing its film
industry i mean obviously atlanta has like a film industry now there are states across the u.s that
have a film industry that exists it's just not as big as hollywood right that's right this was
shot in birmingham it was a bir crew. Birmingham, Alabama shot this.
And Birmingham, surprisingly,
is a very dystopian looking place for a film.
Wow.
Yeah, it's got a lot of rundown buildings,
a lot of beautiful architecture.
There's a scene in here that's-
And we needed beautiful architecture
with the rundown look.
There's a scene in here,
like the climax scene is in this old historic building
reminding- It's a masonic temple. Yeah, but the climax scene is in this old historic building.
It's an Asean temple.
Yeah.
But who spoke there?
Oh, Martin Luther King Jr. Martin Luther King spoke there.
Yeah.
He spoke at that, in that same spot where the
final scenes are.
Yeah.
Was where he spoke.
Or where you see him like on the screen looking
at his wife.
Yeah.
Martin Luther King Jr.
spoke there.
So do you find that there are a lot of people in the film
industry who are reaching out to you to say i want to be involved with angel studios but i'm not based
in hollywood i'm based over here doing whatever like is it sort of becoming something people
reach out to not just to get their film made but for their professional careers yeah yeah yes yeah
i mean we can only right now angel Angel only accepts what we call a torch.
And this harps back to the beginning of crowdfunding.
So the Statue of Liberty, originally, Frederick Bartholdi made a torch.
He took it around Europe to raise money.
He took it around the US.
He couldn't get governments to pay for it.
Right.
So he actually had to crowdfund the Statue of Liberty.
Right.
What a time back in the day when governments didn't just cut checks for everything.
So the French and the American people saw that torch
and they caught the vision
for what he was trying to create.
And the same way somebody brings a torch,
a video, a short film, or a full film,
if it's going to go to theaters like Sound of Freedom
and then the guild looks at it,
they catch the vision
of where they're trying to head with it
and they vote yay or nay.
But if I were like a cameraman and I was based in North Carolina, do you have people reaching
out for those kind of production type jobs or do you have to direct them somewhere else?
So each production has its own casting department and David's being done in South Africa.
We've got productions in the UK.
David's a film about King David.
It's an animated musical that's coming in 2025.
It's a $62 million film that they crowdfunded.
Crazy.
Yeah.
So these are done in different places.
The Chosen is shot in both Goshen, Utah,
and just outside of Dallas, Texas.
And the shift crew, it's got the guys who did the music for The Chosen, just outside of Dallas, Texas. So, you know.
And the shift crew,
it's got the guys who did the music for The Chosen,
Dan Hasseltine and Matt.
Matthew Nelson.
Matthew Nelson did it and it's phenomenal.
Like the score on this is unlike anything you've ever heard.
There's nothing generic about it.
Yeah.
Those guys did Jars of Clay,
the band back in the day.
Yeah.
They've scored now The Chosen in this and they're two of
the best movie scores like they're just but it doesn't sound anything like the chosen score
it sounds nothing like it then then you've got um the one of the producers is was the editor for
sound of freedom and he also edited cabrini which is coming out in March and then so there is a cross-pollination happening between
the groups so like Alejandro Monteverde who directed Sound of Freedom and Cabrini came in
and consulted to help Brock get to the point where he could pass the guild right because he was he
was trying to figure out how to get a score up and Alejandro said well if you did this or if you did
this you know like he gave professional like he gave some really great ideas
or the creators of Tuttle Twins spent some time on it.
And so these different filmmakers join around you
once you've kind of reached this point
where you're building a film
because they need you to succeed as well
because it's part of the community.
But to be honest to your question, Hannah,
like we're not replacing the Hollywood craft.
These productions, they're using SAG actors.
They're using teams that are part of the Hollywood network
because Hollywood is better at making movies
than anyone else in the world.
Yeah, I always think-
They're problem-smen,
and they're not ideologically opposed to this.
I was going to say, I think it's interesting
because we talk about building culture and movies
and I think that's great and excellent,
but I would think all the people that need to make the film,
it's not just the actors or the people cutting it together,
it's also the people holding the mics
and the people with the cameras.
Those skills have ties to Hollywood and their own industry.
And those guys just love making great art.
They don't care if the art is nihilistic
or if it praises God or if it's in between somewhere.
They don't care as long as it's great art.
What they don't like making is campy, cringe stuff.
So they want something better.
They don't want to just make the same five movies over and over again.
So to reach the level that's required.
It's the gatekeepers that are the problem.
To reach the level that's required for the Angel Guild, you pretty much have to have that level of craft,
which means you're calling on the resources
of the storytelling world to do that.
So if people are interested,
they have to get involved in the casting groups
and they have to get involved in acting
and work their way up in the industry
and then they'll have a chance.
But what we saw is that the problem with Hollywood
is that it's become too insular.
It's become a bubble and very few people make these story decisions.
And then they're pushing their views on the world and the way the stories are told.
And because they hold the keys to the gate.
Those are the only stories that get out.
Those are the only stories that get out.
And we're replacing the gatekeepers with the people.
We're replacing it right at the same point where it stopped working.
Yes.
Are you ever concerned that like having Alejandro come in and advise Brock is going to create a similar problem where a lot of the genres are – it's a similar genre because a lot of the interactivity amongst the artists is going to pigeonhole?
Except for Brock was already so far down the road.
He's more helping him solve – It's like a mechanic saying,
hey, I can diagnose the problem with your storyline
that you're facing.
Let me give you the diagnosis
and here are a couple of ideas to solve it.
And then Brock went and solved it in his own way.
Right.
And Brock actually, like the first time
that the first ideas to try to solve it actually
didn't work, but the combination of those two ideas, they got to a solution.
But Brock made the final call on what it was.
I would imagine he'd already have the vision prepared and that he's just doing technical
crafting at that point, but you know.
Yeah, there's just Alejandro was so advanced.
In this case, it was probably really mostly about just clarifying, making sure that the story came through really, really clear.
Yeah, a lot of times you know your story so well, you don't realize why people can't.
Exactly.
When the writer directs their own work, that's not a big problem, but can pose a big problem.
I think George Lucas had that problem with some of the news.
The new episode one, for instance,'s just like a fantasy in his head.
I didn't understand what the point of that movie was,
to be honest,
um,
at all.
There was no villain.
It was very weird.
Nope.
They were poorly done villain with Darth Maul.
So I think getting the,
out of the writer's hands or having an advisor come in that can help you
maybe direct or from the sidelines,
just so you know,
just cause you see it and know it doesn't mean the audience does.
What else is coming?
Cabrini?
We got Cabrini coming.
We've got-
There's actually a slate of eight next year and we're shooting for 12 in 2025.
We're building a young Washington movie where that kicks off a, it's a movie first.
We're doing it with John Irwin who did Jesus Revolution.
I can only imagine.
American Underdog.
American Underdog. He has the most A plus cinema scores of any director in Hollywood. one who did uh jesus revolution i can only imagine american underdog american underdog he's the has
the most a plus cinema scores of any director in hollywood so john's building one on the founding
of america with young washington and his goal is to release that next year he's got to pass the
guild of course but um the idea is to launch something similar to the chosen around the
entire founding of america oh cool it's a universe yeah oh universe around the founding of america because it's not we haven't
gone into that very much i'd love to play ben franklin i don't know if he was fat when he was
young yeah let's roll you actually got you you could totally do that i'll wear it with anything
take that kite up in the air i don't know how how deep into George's life it's going to go. That's going to be really fun.
Then the,
so we've got that one.
We've got another one called homestead that Neil McDonough is in as well.
And it's an end of the world one where every,
all the power goes out,
nuclear bomb hits and they're trying to survive on a homestead.
Essentially it's,
it's based on our time.
Then there's Bonhoeffer friedrich bonhoeffer famous
pastor from germany that fought against hitler he was the most famous pastor in the country at the
time and he he has one of like his biographies are some of the best-selling books ever and but And, but, but Bonhoeffer goes from pacifist Christian to saying, I will help try to assassinate the fur furor.
Wow.
And, and the, the, the, the difficulty of him trying to figure it out.
As a Christian.
As a Christian, what he should be doing.
And that, that film is, that's a big budget one.
That one we just signed like a week ago.
Um,
there is David.
It's a musical.
It's like Prince of Egypt.
Cool.
It's like the old Testament.
Uh,
the,
and it's this beautiful animated movie for kids.
And because David was a musician,
he wrote the book of Psalms,
which is just a book of songs.
It's actually like motivated.
So if you go to angel.com slash Tim cast, and you join the angel guild, you get a vote on all the
different projects. And then you're going to get complimentary tickets to every single time we
release a theatrical release. And what this does, you have 175,000 people right now in the guild,
but imagine it. Once you get a million people in the guild then let's say let's say half of them turn up to theaters oh it's just yeah you got their
complimentary tickets you taylor swift taylor swift every single movie that's how we change
and just exactly no one can compete with the point because they're going to be like they've
got a natural poll are you familiar with uh it, like what's a venue's natural poll?
So with you guys having a guild, you're like, oh, our movie's basically guaranteed to sell
X many seats because of the amount of people who love our movies.
That's right.
So more filmmakers come because there's guaranteed seats.
And right now we've got 175,000, which means we're doing a lot of pre-sells.
But once we hit a certain point, it's unstoppable, right?
And so when you're joining the Angel Guild,
you're joining this movement
where you get to pick the content.
It's not us.
We're not the ones picking it.
You get to trust whatever comes out.
You get to trust what comes out.
You know it's all going to be good
because the bigger the guild gets,
the better it picks.
And then you get complimentary tickets,
two complimentary tickets
to every single movie and theaters,
and you're launching these things into the, into the stratosphere
and the silver screen. When you go in and you have a communal experience at the theater,
it changes people. Like you can't push pause. There is something about not being able to press
pause. Even if you have to hold it for a little bit to go to the bathroom, there's a different
experience. When you go to the theater, it's like Andrew Peterson's blog, The Rabbit Room,
talks about the sacrament of the cinema, where it's almost like a sacramental experience where
you walk into church, you give up all your distractions, and you focus on the sacrament
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So let me tell you what's fascinating.
You guys have almost 200,000 guild members.
And you're talking about,
if you got to a million guild members,
these are people who are contributing to a...
A movement.
It's a movement,
but the amount of revenue being generated
will make people in Hollywood weep as they're losing money like crazy you guys are
taking off and producing movies based on what the guild actually is a decentralized voting process
determine good movies not only do you have a better mechanism for creating profitable films
people are directly involved in making those of, whereas Hollywood is top-down garbage
and it's failing. I'm just
very happy to see Hollywood
get their comeuppance more and more every
day. Now, you know what would be
great? Hollywood stops the woke garbage,
starts making good movies
with good messages, good values,
and then we say, okay, great.
That'll be a win. That'll be a win. It'll be a great
win. That would be amazing. But you know what?
I'll take Angel Studios taking over
and becoming the next biggest thing
where they've got guaranteed seats in the theaters,
where movies are like Sound of Freedom
and less like some of the woke garbage
they've been putting out.
And it's not just a bunch of repeats, right?
We can launch,
if we have a guild that's passing great content,
they can launch any risky movie to the moon.
Right.
It doesn't have to be IP that has franchise potential.
The IP is the guild.
Yes.
Right?
Yeah, because there's automatic buy-in.
Right.
And think about this.
My kids, whenever they're watching too much screen time, I have six kids.
When they're watching too much screen time, I go to them, I'm like, kids,
Harmons live on the other side of the screen. We make the content that other people do.
We celebrate by watching once in a while, but we live on the other side of the screen.
What we're trying to do with angel studios is all the content's free in the angel app. You go to the angel.com and you can just watch all of our shows for free. You get early access with the guilt,
like sound of freedom right now is just an early access but you get to watch everything for free but you join the community
to build a movement to change the future of entertainment and live on the other side of
the screen do you you get it's like legos you spend more time building than you do playing
because it's more fun and you get to help make the movies they're coming out you get
to watch the early cuts you if you were in the guild you're giving that video of that guy talking
about the ship i did it's uh it should be in the email if you want to watch this guy that's
we need to go to super chats before we do do you ever do shoot movies at the house with the kids
yeah i actually like i gave him my old iphone and for christmas last year and said, here's the phone.
And I only put iMovie on it and just said, go make your own.
So they're using their dolls and they're trying to-
You should direct them all, get them all to be actors in your movie one time.
They're going to love it.
No, because Harmon's on the other side of the screen, so he can't be actors.
Well, and here's what I love about this is that all growing up and everybody I know who's
in Hollywood, they all say my family was terrified that I came to Hollywood and 95 plus
percent of people who go into Hollywood end up losing their faith well and or
their family or their families and I want like for me success means that in when i'm old that my kids and my grandkids can be encouraged
to go into the hollywood business into the film business and not worry about being destroyed
with their families and their faith and we've got to build a parallel system to do that let's get it
let's go to super chats for now if you haven't already would you kindly smash that like button
subscribe to this channel head over to timcast.com click join us become a member so
you can hang out for the members only uncensored show but as a member you get to hang out in our
discord server with like-minded individuals a lot of really cool stuff going on a lot of new projects
in the works there's morning shows the people in the discord actually have their own hangouts you
should definitely be involved but for now let's read what y'all got to say. Alpha Turkey.
Just in time for Thanksgiving
with the first Super Chat saying,
hello there.
Well, thank you for that Super Chat.
Do you think Alpha Turkey's
really stressed this time of year?
Or do you think it's okay?
No, Alpha Turkey ain't got
nothing to worry about.
That's true.
If you're not dead by now,
you're probably okay.
Be careful with deep frying turkeys.
I suggest not to deep fry a turkey.
I keep seeing videos
of them going up in flames.
I've always wanted to try it.
Yeah, but you do it right, and it's amazing.
Oh, wow.
Yeah, you do it right.
You just have to have a big enough space.
Yeah.
Right.
Yeah, because the water will...
What about water?
No, it's oil.
It's the water in the turkey that reacts with the oil.
Right, right, right.
So you got to do it.
You got to know what you're doing.
Matthew Emmett says,
could you two talk to Ryan Long and Danny Polischuk
about distributing a movie with Timcast?
Could the Harmon brothers?
So we mentioned this with Danny the other day on the show.
Danny said that he wrote a script.
He and Ryan wrote a script, but it's kind of dated.
It wouldn't work now.
And I was like, let's do a movie.
And they said, okay.
So, you know, I have no idea what I'm doing.
I don't know.
Maybe you guys would be, or the Guild, I should say.
Not you guys.
You guys don't matter at all.
No.
Some farmers from Idaho. Right right we help market it once it gets through we help take it to the world yeah but uh ryan long will be here next week and uh daniel will be coming back and i'm going to
talk to them about you know what we have to do to make a good comedy film uh and our principles so
so as you're as you're prepping if you want to come to angel our principles, we have what's called, we're looking for projects that amplify light.
You want to explain?
That's stories that are true, honest, noble, just, authentic, admirable, lovely, and excellent.
It's like a rom-com.
Yeah, could work, totally.
Rom-com could work fine.
Yeah.
We'll see how edgy Ryan and Danny want to get with it because they're pretty they're pretty edgy but uh you know we'll see what happens we'll talk
to them let's uh let's grab some more what we got here bears fan in cheeseland are you you're in
wisconsin new subscriber here thanks for the content i imagine that means you live in wisconsin
you're a fan of the bears bold of you to admit that i remember the first time i went to wisconsin
i was really disappointed because we went to a store, a grocery store, and the cheese was imitation cheese product.
And we're like, what?
We're in Wisconsin.
How did this happen?
That should be treason.
Whoever runs that grocery store should be brought up on state charges.
Imitation cheese product.
I don't know.
It was a little store.
They were doing all right.
Noah Sanders says, congrats on getting SCNR back up.
It's awesome to see the movies you're making.
I just got laid off.
So be on the lookout for a resume. Stay blessed. Yes. Scanner. It's awesome to see the movies you're making. I just got laid off. So be on the lookout for a resume.
Stay blessed.
Yes, scanner.
It's officially come back.
So let me tell you the story, my friends, as much as we can.
We did a crowd fund several years ago.
It's a long time ago now.
This is like, what, 2019 or something?
Before.
Oh, yeah, yeah.
Oh, Jesus.
Before that.
It was 2018.
Yeah, it was 18.
Wow.
We raised a million dollars in 22 hours.
It was the fastest uh uh
crowd investment in the u.s at the time and we launched a company called subverse to produce
news and documentaries and ground and field reporting and uh let me just give you the simple
version of it there was a lawsuit you can read the documents they're all public i can't say much
about it because of the lawsuit but uh it basically froze the company. In a matter of speaking.
We have resolved those issues.
And since the resolution.
Which was quite a while ago.
I should say.
There was a court resolution.
Followed by a long period of.
Tying up loose ends. And resolving a lot of these issues.
Which finally resulted in us.
As of today.
Officially relaunching.
The TimCast News team is now the scnr news team they're back and uh we're glad it's it's happening we're working with of course bill
ottman of mines is is involved for sure we're really excited that uh we're gonna have this
this project so there were a lot of people who had invested in it and i'll tell you the frustrating
thing people are saying like i demand answers you know i invested in this project it's like i am i am legally not allowed to say anything when you're involved in
these uh these cases so it's like i can't even respond to someone say sorry all we can do is say
here please read this law this legal document that was published have a nice day like so
can't say anything so it's been resolved we still can't you know this is like how it works we for
the for the most part can't talk about it but anyone who wants to can read all of the court documents
see for themselves exactly what happened and just know that we never stopped working on the project
and the project is back and uh we are going to bring it back from uh what i would only describe
as insolvency you can read all about the the court case to understand what I'm talking about, but
it's going to require a lot of heavy lifting
on all of our parts, but
it's what needs to happen. It's what should happen.
And the people who invested in that project
all those years ago still have their stake
as it stands.
Good on you. We went through a similar
experience. Big lawsuit,
crowdfunded company,
and we went through bankruptcy
and you had people being like why aren't you giving me every all the information you're like
you can't say anything yeah they don't like it it's it's it's hard to actually even explain why
but for the basics of it is like there's strategic and legal reasons they're like you cannot talk
about this yeah if i like someone totally unrelated this is just the way your systems work
court systems work that way to where if you say something you're actually potentially hurting
all their investments right oh and then it just opens up the door for a lot more so as it pertains
to this i think the like the official thing is the people involved in the company cannot speak of or
induce anyone to speak of what happened but But if I were to just do it
and then I'm not involved at all and then you're like, well
here's a link to a video of a guy explaining
it. That's legal? Nope.
You can't get involved.
I can't even be like, watch this guys. I can say
here are the court documents. You can read them for yourself. That's it.
If anybody were to
make a video, I could not be like, oh look at this
video. Can't do it. It's crazy.
It's crazy it's crazy
how that works and uh let's just say we're all very disappointed but we're excited that things
are are getting the brand is hot dude scanner you know it's a very sci-fi and we had a lot of great
stuff we had a lot of great stuff and uh if anyone's wondering what happened you can read
the court documents i'm at scnr.com right now looking at it yeah looks good so and it's just
getting started
we just we got something up that we could we we had to do a lot of infrastructure work it was
expensive and it's worth it and it's uh i'm excited for it but uh there's a lot of other
stuff involved you know we're going to be working on documentaries the stuff from a lot is now going
to be published on scanner the twitter account will stay the same and timcast news is going to
be uh reposting these things and uh timcast news of course will use the articles as sources and things like that but uh timcast news will not be publishing uh
day-to-day news stories however timcast.com still will have special articles and things like that
and nothing else is is changing so super excited all right let's go let's say let's see let's see
what we got zacchaeus and branigan deed says saw after death
this week thanks tim when can we look into a running running a coffee shop i'm an entrepreneur
in oregon and would like to uh counterculture here so uh this the the snowball's rolling down
the hill the good news is i'm hearing from uh the the people working on the project things are
picking up speed the equipment has arrived and we
hopefully will have this up and running it was supposed to be we thought it was gonna be running
earlier this year that's how crazy it was we bought a building we like started doing all the work and
then all of a sudden permits resulted in oh you got to fix this you got to fix this you got to
fix this and it just never ended and uh but we're we're getting there and uh we're working with
chef andrew gruel on on the expansion plans so stay tuned for that super exciting and
then we're building a uh oh you know what we need to do we're building an anti-time square
in martinsburg west virginia so this is where we're putting our coffee shop right
and so we were talking with uh terence williams about a cousin t's diner because he's got cousin
t's pancakes and i'm like the do local diner is like going out of business,
and we don't know what's going on.
We should revive it, Cousin T's diner.
We should do a series of businesses
all downtown Martinsburg that are parallel economy.
We got to put up an Angel Studios movie theater.
Oh, that'd be so cool.
In Martinsburg, West Virginia.
That'd be so cool.
Yep, and then it's just-
That'd be really fun
yeah you have the new movies you have regular movies in rotation that you guys want to have
ones that fit fit your values but also just like and ones that ones that you guys get behind tim
cast we the movies you really like we could go do special screenings there but documentaries
because we just put out infringed so there's a lot you could do i don't know it's up to you guys but
uh we've uh terrence williams definitely interested in in something he actually gave us the idea i mentioned
he wanted to do this diner and we have the paperwork with andrew girl we're finalizing
and then we are going to the general idea is we want to create we've got all these prominent
individuals that are fighting the culture war and i'm like let's create brick and mortar shops
for all these different personalities
that fit their brand for what they're interested in and into and promoting, and then set up
all over the country.
So with Cast Brew Coffee, I'm like, imagine if we had a thousand of these through-
Coffee shops.
Yeah, coffee shops.
Now imagine this.
Imagine some guy or woman walks in for their morning coffee, and as they're waiting for
it, there's a TV screen playing Crowder, Tim Castirl or some other show you people you know joe rogan whatever that's going to expose
our side of of the culture war and parallel economy to regular people when we put this up
next to you know a walmart or something yeah now imagine saturday night at the coffee shop is you
know normal hours are till eight but this night we're doing a screening for an angel studios you
know movie that came out a little while ago. Come hang out. Get together.
What we want to do is something called Saturday Morning Cartoons, where on Saturday mornings,
families come with their kids.
The TVs are playing wholesome cartoons.
We do catering.
And this creates like a builds up community between families.
We've got cartoons we could help you out with there.
Exactly.
Tuttle Twins.
Yep. Tuttle Twins.
Winged Feather.
Winged Feather Saga.
David.
Young David.
Yeah. But an Angel Studios movie theater in martinsburg that'd be cool send us the info we'll figure it out we're
so we're so far away from it i mean i feel like if there was someone who was uh like a billionaire
culture warrior they could be like i'll hire 10 guys right now we'll get the ball rolling for me
it's like we got 800 things on all these different.
So the paperwork's moving forward with Jeff Andrew Gruhl,
but we can only go as fast as we can.
So hopefully-
The fastest way to get there, I think, to that
is if we can get the Angel Guild big enough
to escape velocity.
Yeah.
Essentially, we just need to figure out
kind of a deeper partnership
to where we're working with everybody who's like-minded and making sure it's a win for everybody.
There's a theater across the street from us that hosted an all-ages drag show.
Perhaps we can buy it and turn it into a movie theater and stop having those kinds of things.
Yeah, the people in the community are really pissed off because they had a pride event where they had children dancing with the with drag queens and stuff like that and the locals are are offended i mean they find this
stuff to be in violation of west virginia state law which they clearly outline and they're wondering
why nothing's being done about it well it's because wokeness pushes its way into these these
areas and so we're you know we're gonna we're gonna push back and say look man if the if the
people who live here are saying this this goes against their values and they have laws against it we need something to change yeah so and we'll see where we go with it
we didn't talk about after death much and i do want to keep going super chats but how's it doing
this is the documentary you guys released a few months ago or best-selling documentary since
covid period and it's the number one faith documentary in history it's about people
experiencing really like life after death like um what do they call it near-death experiences and things like that yeah and it's in the guild
right now if you if you become a member of the guild you can actually just watch it right now
oh really just because we just as as we're moving thanksgiving it's moving out of theaters because
the big movies are coming in which means it's going straight into the guild and guild gets
everything yeah so if you go to the angel.com slash timcast you can just start watching this
but this movie what they do is they go through and they take the scientific documentation around
what people have experienced when they died and then they came back. People were dead completely,
like no brain activity type situations for 30 minutes or 90 minutes.
Multiple continents, different faiths, just all types of people looking for patterns.
And then they look for patterns and they see that like there are people who are in surgeries and have experiences where
they see things that are happening and they explain it to the surgeon after the fact and
the surgeon's like they can't know that it's impossible for them to know that because they're
having an out-of-body experience wow stuff like there'd be a coin up on top of something and they'll see the coin they describe the tools yeah they describe
what the doctors tools that they're using to operate on on them and i've heard that uh they
there was a uh a cupboard where they fall they're watching their own ambulance get to the hospital
and they're following it they wrote someone wrote something on a paper and had it on top
of like a cupboard and then someone who was having a something on a paper and had it on top of like a cupboard.
And then someone who was having
a near-death experience
said what was on top of it.
And they were just like,
how could you have possibly known?
There was no point at which
you were consciously walking around the room.
You were on your deathbed the whole time.
And they were like,
I saw it.
Here's what it says.
Everything's vibrating
and your soul is attuned to that.
Well, and they talk about it as more real.
This is what's crazy.
Almost all of them say,
this experience was more real to me than life.
I was alive, and then I was more alive.
More alive.
Do they ever, you know, that's freaky.
I think it's purported to lose seven grams
when the human body dies.
Have you guys ever heard of that?
Yeah, I've heard that.
On near-death experience, do they lose the seven
and then regain the seven?
I don't know.
I don't know.
Some of these guys are completely crushed in car accidents,
and their bodies are completely destroyed.
Dead for 90 minutes.
Yeah.
That's crazy.
Clinically.
There's stuff that's just bonkers.
They're drowned for significant periods of time.
And about 23% of after-death experiences reported are a hellish experience.
And then the rest describe it as light and love and heavenly.
So it's after death.
It's technically they've died and then they come back to life.
Yes.
Yeah.
Crazy.
Crazy.
And even like there's when you go and watch it inside the app, when you get in the Angel app and you watch it, there are dozens of videos of people that have watched the movie
and then they submitted their own experiences.
Yes.
So there's a community of people joining in and they're saying,
hey, this is what I experienced.
This is what happened to me.
This is what I experienced.
I read a book on this 20 years ago, 19 years ago,
and it was fascinating because it was like,
it was a skeptic who wrote a book who was an atheist secular
guy who said that you know his goal was basically to analyze this in any as through any other
academic survey and what he found was every night like 80 to 90 percent of the interviews he did
it was almost the same story regardless of external circumstance like the a lot of people
say oh they see a bright light because they're in an operating table.
And he was like, actually,
we found that people
who are having near-death experiences
outside of hospital settings,
car accidents, gunshot wounds, et cetera,
experience the same thing either.
And they meet relatives.
They have life reviews.
Like that's something that's different
than like-
Life reviews.
Yeah, they have,
instead of psychedelic experiences,
they'll meet their relatives
or they meet like, they meet God god and then they have a life review
where they go through their life like in the scrooge movie right yeah kind of it's really
interesting how some of these movies that do really well if you look at it's a wonderful life
he goes back through his life and he overcomes his trauma and he's healed and in scrooge he got these writers tapped into something deeper about
how are like more eternal because they're going back through their lives in these stories and
then they're completely healed by the end of the movie and these resonate deeply with well and it
comes at a time when therapy speak is on the rise you have lots of people especially young people
and i applaud this who say you know i want to get better i want to understand myself more whatever else but it's like
are you actually fully reflecting on your life and the choices you made are you holding true
honesty right true honesty let's uh let's read some more superchats we got t-rex pet shop says
judge in georgia just ruled the cyber security flaws of voting machines unconstitutional i saw
that big win for voting security what kind of food will you get for Seamus? The type from T-Rex Pet Shop, right?
Yes.
Yes, we will.
So, well, that's good news.
Seamus is in his cage.
And he's very nice.
And he's been getting along.
And he's very hungry.
He will eat anything and just snarl it down.
But we're, like the vet said, that he's very loving has had human conduct before so
all if he loses a litter box then he's good to come inside probably not in the castle because
this is bogus territory i was thinking the same thing yeah bogus can't be stressed out
seamus is little right he's like no he's big no no i meant like age yeah he's uh i i uh yeah he's
like eight or nine months and this is crazy because once we got news that Mr. Bocas was sick, I was asking, like,
should we get a kitten so that Bocas can teach the kitten?
And then when Bocas passes, because he's really sick, then the kitten will have that spark
of Mr. Bocas.
And the crazy thing is around this time, within a month or two of this, Seamus was born and
then lived on our property over the past
several months and was living in our garage
and now we have, he's
probably 8 to 10 months old.
Brought him to the vet, got him shots and
got him no fleas, no ticks.
He got dewormed, all that good stuff, and he's
fat and happy. Has the cartoonist
publicly commented on being
demoted to the second Seamus?
Demoted? When was he ever the first Seamus?
He was the only Seamus.
Jeez, Hannah Clare.
I assume he was demoted because you didn't, you know,
offer him the number one slot,
even though he had been around for a while.
No, he was just replaced by a cat.
He was deranked because he's a thief.
So he was deranked.
Just kidding, Seamus.
It's mostly just a joke.
It's mostly a love joke.
We were driving the car. Mostly. We were driving the car mostly we were driving the
car and i was calling the cat muumuu and because i was saying muumuu to it and then we were like
we should come up with a name and then you know as we're driving to go get food with seamus i was
like we're gonna call him seamus because seamus is leaving and i was like that way when seamus
is gone we can still say something like oh oh no seamamus pooped on the floor again yeah and then the comedy never ends
Seamus right it's fun to say that funny and then when I was walking outside talking to Allison I
was like we got to take Seamus go get his balls cut off and then Seamus probably walks up and
goes what and I was like not you talking about Seamus one not Seamus two yeah we should never
talk about Seamus two because he leaves he's flaky he's into cartoons he's a weirdo Mr mr bokeh is actually doing a lot better i think it's the stem cells yeah and he's eating a
lot more his kidney function improved he gained weight gonna let the pharmaceuticals like go easy
on the pharma because they will just be like hey here's another pill oh it has side effects here's
another pill to counter the side effects but before you take that here's another pill to
counter effect the side it's like dude this happens with dogs there's a cat okay but apparently just
modern veterinary medicine is like pill pill pill it's like dude this happens with dogs there's a cat okay but apparently just modern
veterinary medicine is like pill pill pill it's all pharmaceutical yeah man here's stem cells are
magic it's like a new technology here's what happens with a lot of people just medicine in
general someone uh gets a cough so they say take this pill for your cough the cough causes
dehydration they say okay now take this liquid solution for your pill the pill causes dehydration
and right right and then right yeah the pill causes dehydration and
then they're saying okay well now you gotta take this pill to counteract that side effect and then
eventually you're on seven pills and you're like i'm taking all these pills to counteract all the
problems from the other pills meanwhile they're all slowly hurting you in some way it's just i
in my opinion i don't know enough i'm not a doctor but i see i watch with my own eyes the guy
struggling to move around after the seventh pill and i'm like no no no no yeah let the body heal all right scheider alpha says my favorite mr beast video is after recent backlash i will be
re-blinding 1 000 people like what do people expect from this dude i think it's great that
mr beast's whole brand is like i'm gonna do a really good thing for people to get famous and
make money and i'm like okay like that's like that's amazing yeah like what else should we be doing like i don't know selling cheeseburgers it's fine too i
guess and he got started somebody's gonna get famous that's a really good reason to be famous
and there are like youtubers who've gotten in trouble for like being like oh we're gonna host
this competition and it's gonna raise money and we'll donate it to charity and then they don't
they're gonna go back in time and be like we can't celebrate mother theresa because she helped so many people became famous because
mr v films the stuff like at least there is evidence that he's doing the stuff he says he's
gonna do he's not like telling you a story and there's a lie behind it yeah he doesn't yeah he's
not like next week we're gonna i mean he just puts out the video and he also didn't get famous doing
this stuff he got famous grinding 10 12 hours a day making minecraft
And then he put that money into doing this great stuff like paying off his mom's house and and all right
Yeah, it's pretty amazing beans says Ian the moment when you asked Ron Paul if he plays Dungeons and Dragons
That was the pinnacle moment of podcasting. My sides have not yet returned from orbit. Oh good
Yeah, I needed to know in order to have a conversation properly. Yes, yes.
I wonder if he's checked it out since.
Operation Outstanding in Field
says, I'm joining the cavalry.
I've upgraded to premium plus.
I'm buying ads 10K now
till end of 2024,
promoting my GBS
and mandated jab videos.
Hold the line,
acts Elon Musk lawsuit on MM.
Chris Povlovsky, Seth dylan timcast the quartering
cobertate advice here here thanks for the super chat that's it lethal strains as matt rife is
attacked the same time ibram x kennedy's movie comes out on netflix oh did it i don't know who
cares yeah that guy's that guy's fizzling out good it's a good time it's a good time squid
bugs anonymous says melee vowing to dismantle regulation
on an already crumbling society
seems like a great way to see more corruption,
exploitation, economic inequality,
and environmental destruction.
Nice try.
Absolutely not.
Cutting all those costs are going to be great
for decentralization to start solving its own problems,
which I look forward to.
What have we here?
Poison Fist says, york appellate court tossed quarantine camp lawsuit paving the way for government kidnapping hospitalization detainment without evidence and diagnosis yikes we saw that
bill during covid where new york said that if they think you're sick they can just take you and lock
you up welcome to your brave new world did you see kathy hokal's press conference day where she was like
we're gonna expand the division of homeland securities uh like basically that she's saying
like on college campus we're gonna have additional training so that we can train students to spot
um online fiction from online fact and can get better at recognizing conspiracy theories and
it's like even listen to i'm like this is so dystopian where is your who is your speech writer
this is taking their mask off you guys might have a new uh movie in the works here just kathy hogle's
life all right katoth swiss says you sir went to the wrong cheese store don't be besmirching
wisconsin's good name here here yeah wisconsin is the land of cheese man like they they they have
the cheese hats yeah you got good stuff going we were driving through and there was a sign that's like you can buy cheese here and we just pulled off
on this farm and they just had tons of like it was amazing uh-huh i stopped at a maple farm a
couple weeks ago it was awesome we got maple everything it's like an eighth generation maple
farm oh it's crazy like going back to the late 1600s or something because apparently they were
saying that back in the day maple maple was how you got sugar.
That was what you used.
Yeah, so they would make maple sugar by drying
it out and then pulverizing
it. Brown sugar.
And processed white sugar was
very expensive back then.
Comes from beets. Crazy.
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I think you did several times the guild,
you know?
Yeah.
Angel.com slash Tim cash.
Join the guild.
Also angel.com slash the shift.
Yep.
Pick up tickets for the movie.
It's already selling out.
It's already selling out all over.
I saw you buy them right in the middle of the show.
Yeah.
We got a bunch.
We got some for the crew.
So it's perfect Friday.
So we're going to go,
we're going to go watch for sure. Thank you. It's Friday. So we're going to go, we're going to go watch for sure.
Thank you.
It's like,
it's not going to disappoint,
but this is a very different movie,
meaning you've never seen anything like it.
Right on.
Cool.
Hi,
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I'm a writer for scanner or a c n r.com.
I'm really excited to be there.
And I'm really proud of the Tim cast news crew for converting over.
It's been, it's been a trial, but very fun.
So you can see all the work from me, from Chris Burtman, from the rest of our journalists over there.
Yeah, same great stuff.
Probably even more coming.
You should follow at TimCast News on the social medias.
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And okay, yeah.
Happy Thanksgiving, guys.
It's like you're playing with blocks
and looking for the right shape piece every time.
Not every time.
And my name is so long.
I have a double first name.
I always forget what it is anyways.
I'm lucky that I branded at Ian Crossland all across the internet.
So search, find me, and follow me there.
I put out some badass interviews.
I interviewed Josie the Redheaded Libertarian today at 1 o'clock in the afternoon on YouTube,
X, Rumble, Minds, and Facebook.
It was multi-stream.
But follow me, subscribe, and check it out, man.
And I'll see you guys soon.
Awesome to see you guys.
I want to tell you that on camera.
Great to see you guys.
Really good.
And much gratitude to you guys for helping us get Sound of Freedom out there.
Oh, hey, man.
It is what it is.
It's a good movie.
You were a part of that.
We want to win a culture war, so that means we have to maximize anybody who's winning.
I mean, what you guys are doing, we're huge fans of Angel Studios, Public Square, all
that stuff.
It has to happen.
Yes, thank you.
This is the resonation and amplification chamber.
Welcome aboard.
One piece of it.
Welcome into it.
Yes.
All right.
A surge.
Yeah, surge.com.
I don't have much to say other than if you want to argue with me,
please find me on twix at surge.com.
I will not be on Discord for the near future, I suppose.
That said, let's go to the after show, Tim.
We'll see
you all over at timcast.com thanks for hanging out