Timcast IRL - Timcast IRL #914 GOP Demands TRAVEL LOCKDOWN Over China Disease Fears ft/Dicky Barrett & The Defiant

Episode Date: December 2, 2023

Tim, Ian, Carter, & Serge join the Defiant to discuss the new "White Lung" disease spreading, Dicky Barrett being fired from the Jimmy Kimmel show over his vaccination status, and a special live music performance from The Defiant! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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And so today we're hearing this big news that the GOP is calling for a travel ban with China over something called the White Lung, which is reportedly popping up in the U.S., Europe and China. In China, there's videos of more lockdowns of what look like pandemic lockdown measures. And it feels kind of like this is how it gets started. And the funny thing is we are hanging out with some of our friends who have some experience with lockdowns. And so we're really excited. Before we get into everything, we do have some other news. I don't know how much we're going to get into.

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Become a member to support the show directly. If you want to support our work, we've got a pretty wild show for you tonight because we're going to be doing our first ever live musical performance, full band. And we used to play music on this show, but we haven't in a very long time. And now it's coming back. We were hoping it would be in the new studio, but, you know, we're just going to go with it. So joining us tonight, we have the defiant friends of ours. We're really excited.

So smash that like button, subscribe, do all that stuff, share the show with your friends. Let's start. Whoever wants to take the lead and introduce yourselves. I'd like to start by saying I'm not going to get the white lung vaccine i don't care i don't well all right at at no cost i don't know what you can say on this show or not but i i'm already refusing it beforehand well okay uh hey how are you tim i'm tiki barrett from the defiant and i'm here with uh p parada from the defiant and behind me if you can get a shot of them and the other members of the defiant are here and thanks for having us and i i i i hear that you have names yeah no forgot our name

forget the names dude not the guys in the guys on the stools i don't know there's that there's the young guy there's the guy that always wears the hat. And then there's the guy from Smash Mouth. They're all, oh yeah. Guy from Smash Mouth. That's how I refer to him. Well, all right. No, no, no.

That's Joey LaRocca right there. That's Johnny Rio. Johnny Rio was in the Street Dogs. Joey LaRocca was from the Briggs. And that's right there is Greg Camp, who's a super, super talented songwriter, has written songs for just about everybody. He's tremendous and very, very talented songwriter.

He wrote everybody's favorite Smash Mouth songs. Is that true? Yes. That's what I heard. He wrote the only ones you've probably heard. Walking on the Sun? The best ones. And All Star, he wrote that.

Wow. A bunch of other ones. All Star is like one of the greatest songs ever written. Wow. High praise. Thank you. It's a good one. Because not only was it a good pop song that everybody liked, but it became a meme.

So we're starting out with, that's the first thing we disagree on. I still know all the words. But it's not so much about me saying I like the song. I'm saying like that song was ubiquitous when it came out, and then it became a meme. Everybody just kept playing it on the internet like crazy. Like it was fun. It was funny. Did you write it from start to finish yes i did like in a garage oh how long did it take you to write it uh a few days probably

yeah it was a lot the last song to be added to that album there it is they basically told us to go back to the drawing board because the album wasn't finished and i wrote that one and another one and those were the first two singles there you go well Pete of course uh you've been on this show before right or I've not done our cultural with you yeah so uh so you are the drummer uh for a lot of bands a lot of bands yeah currently the Defiant and a little group called Tim Cast as well yeah I don't know we just call it that I guess but he Pete has on the drums for our music, which is awesome. You were in The Offspring for a very long time.

Offspring for a very long time, face-to-face, saves the day. I've done tours with My Chemical Romance and Devo. And lost my gig over not being able to get the COVID vaccine and refused to take a fake card. And so some people might know me from all of that drama. And obviously, I wasn't the only one in the industry that was getting leaned on. It happened everywhere. And so, yeah, we have our new band, The Defiant, together.

And we're excited to be here tonight, play some music. Right on. And we got some news to talk about, too. We got Carter Banks hanging out because he's our in-house music guy. What's up, guys? It's a pleasure to be here with The Defiant. Pete, as always. I know every Smash Mouth song, so it's great to be here with you as

well greg and uh yeah let's got ian carter have you heard of the boss tones i have i'm just asking i don't know that we're talking about old bands they were formidable the boss tones you guys kind of helped guide me as thank you as a teenager will you shut off carter's mic um well i got a question for you dickie how come you called the band the Mighty Mighty Boss Tones and not just the Mighty Boss Tones or the Boss Tones? That's a fantastic question, Ian. All right, let's settle in because this is quite an answer. There was another band we found out later on,

and this is long before you could Google or check out like we did with The Defiant where we were checking out if there's other bands. We went through a long, long list of different names we we're gonna have and we finally settled on the defiant but with the boss tones somebody told us like we were just about to put out the record and someone said you know there's there's a band from the 50s they were a harvard like acapella sort of do-wop band called uh the boss tones and we're like shit we don't want to change the name of the band uh this late in the game so then there was this bartender who was always

calling us the mighty mighty boss tones he was like the mighty mighty boss tones which we were far from mighty or even mighty mighty we're far from any mighty at all but we quickly slapped that on the album cover and said all right we'll be the mighty mighty bostons and uh i i would never look back i mean rascal king when you're like man could he ever talk dude that line and that song if you guys don't know the rascal king you got to put it on in the background during this interview for a little while but that that just shook me to the core man like i was an actor at the time so it was nice to hear a guy talking about the value of being a smooth talker. And even though the Rascal King probably wasn't...

Dude, don't tell me. I know. Talk to your boy. By the way, the Boston's are great. Hey, man. Right on. All right. We got Smash Mouth over there.

We got Serge. Yo. Yeah, I'm hanging out. I'm excited for the show tonight, guys. With the best hair on earth, by the way. What's going on? Thanks, bro. We hung out with you all day.

Your hair got great. That's like the 80s girl thing, though, where you get the bangs. If you turn sideways, it's just a wave. But from the front, it looks big. That's how it is. That's how it goes. Anyways. Well, let's jump into this first story, which will kick off everything.

We have this breaking today. GOP senators call for China travel ban to prevent mystery illness spread. The senators wrote to President Biden demanding he immediately restrict travel between the U.S. and China. Okay, I mean, that's the story, right? You get Marco Rubio, you get J.D. Vance,

you get Rick Scott, you get Tommy Tuberville, Mike Braun, you get all these GOP senators. This is around the same time. It was like, it was end of december into january we started hearing about this mystery illness back in 2019 to 2020 a lot of people have been predicting that there was going to be some kind of lockdown measure okay where was that taking place at that time the first one yeah china coincidence well here we go man so now take a look at this what is causing the white lung this is okay

remember when these photos came out of people's lungs and they were white and now it's like happening all over again it's kind of it's kind of wild because you know basically you i i don't think all of you in the band but many of you i think have stories of defying the lockdowns the restrictions the mandates and so the restrictions, the mandates. And so the day you're like, hey, we're going to come on and we're going to talk about this, we get this story about it's all starting again. And now, of course, they are saying, no, no, don't worry. There's not going to be another pandemic.

Health experts are saying, don't worry about it. But that's the other thing they did. When COVID first started, you had Fauci saying that you didn't have to wear a mask. Don't worry. It's not that big a deal. YouTube was actually restricting content that was talking about it and then all of a sudden it turned into the whole country locking down restrictions on businesses mandates for for certain medical treatments oh i remember i'm hoping that we don't go there but hey welcome to the show guys what a day to join us well i couldn't believe it you you had that up earlier

on the screen i said to you i'm like that's not from today yeah it's like that happened today dude yeah so and then we pulled up the band white long which was right yeah google searched white lung it's like apparently there's a band called white long already they've been around for several several years i mean this is their time to shine baby search algorithm you know what i'm not going to live in fear i'm done with it i think a big part of what happened with covet was people were afraid and that were you afraid last time ian a part of me was like what if this turns into i'm not even letting my mind go there this time like i'm right wash your hands stay healthy be your best self that is that is it i was afraid for about 15 seconds and then i smelled bullshit early on yeah man it's i mean letting letting letting like a scientific technocracy guide the world is like, I'm not.

You got a stinky bro on your mic. Hey, stink bug. Oh. What's happening, dude? What's he doing here? You got to. That thing carries white lung, dude. You better be careful.

Well, hey, hold on. Those stink bugs are from China. Yeah. For real. They're a marmorated stink bug. You heard it here first. They were like an invasive species in the 90s. Talk about, was that intentional well they apparently they arrived in 1996 and pa i did all this research was like where do these come from and how do i get rid of them and those lantern

flies aren't those from china too probably i don't know they're spreading all over and they're big and they're nasty and they we have these weird you you're not kidding me that bug is from china yes there's also that disease. It's an invasive species. In China, there's like a wasp that kills and eats it, but out here there's nothing, so it's spreading like wildfire. It's all over buildings.

There's also that one disease, TikTok. Have you heard of it? That's from China. That's spreading mind viruses. Mainly infects phones. Well, let's jump back in time. Can China send that wasp over? I think there's something

about the temper the temperature they don't do well and why can we get our wasp take care of it but let's let's let's do this like basically we have this story and i don't know if this goes anywhere this is it the mystery mysterious illness they're saying oh no who knows and i'm you know i think the price of freedom is eternal vigilance so we should pay attention to these stories and uh i don't know how to tell you man you gotta you gotta figure out what's right for you you gotta you gotta you gotta talk to a medical practitioner that you trust when these things get get wild but i do think when it comes to government authoritarianism it's entirely another question we should just say no and i hope everybody learned their lesson from the from the get-go but let's go back in time and talk

about why you guys are defiant and you know what is that all about i refuse to wipe down my groceries this time i don't care what they say i'm not gonna is that why they fired you the first time because you like brought in groceries to the studio and you're like i'm wiping them well the first time i was no i just i didn't want to get the covet shot and i wasn't afraid of the covet shot and everything i just didn't i didn't like the message. I didn't like the, you know, what it was sending. I didn't, you know, could, did I? Discover the magic of Bad MGM Casino, where the excitement is always on deck. Pull up a seat and check out a wide variety of table games with a live dealer.

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But I didn't want to get it. And the company I worked for was Disney. And they own the TV show. You're on Kimmel? Yes. I was Jimmy Kimmel's announcer for 20 years on Jimmy Kimmel Live. Wow. And Jimmy wasn't happy that I wasn't going to get that vaccine, and all the producers of the show were very upset with me.

But by that time, I had left California, and I was living in Arizona because I brought my kids there because they wanted kids to play with. And Pasadena, California was very tight and very restricted. And so we went there. And they had cousins that lived there. So then Jimmy found out that I wasn't going to get the shot. And he was like, what the hell are you doing? And then to his, you know, in all fairness to him,

he tried to keep me for as long as he could. And then this, you know, piece of paper came in from Disney and said, all Disney employees have to get the vaccine. And then, you know, and I was in, I was actually announcing the show from my garage in Arizona of a house that I was. Would they like send you a script like in the day and then you'd read it i would go into my garage and put on a pair of headphones like this and fire up a computer and i was right in the control room and they were you know so it was like five oh so like you were live on the show yeah oh wow yeah that's crazy but they were like even though you're in your own home now you can't you're fired no and then of a sudden, it kind of became important for me to come back to California. And they need, we need you in the studio.

Wow, really? You know, maybe they did. I don't know. You know, whatever. It's their show. But so, you know, but once that came in, then it was nothing anybody could do to keep me on the show. And so. Jimmymy tried he did i mean i mean yeah i believe he did i'm not a fan of that guy it's a bummer isn't it well so

you know like like me and adam were really close friends with jimmy because 20 years it's hard you know like so many friends and friendships were busting up and breaking up and I was a victim of that and there's people in my life that I don't really care about so much anymore that I once cared greatly about and said eh you know you've shown your colors you showed showed showing me who you are but um it's hard you know it's the they're close friendships i i have to wonder if they're if if if you're not friends now were you ever really friends that's what we say you know like we've had people who come on this show we have people who work here and they get texts from people insulting them and saying i can't be friends with you and they're like oh that's crazy

and i'm like that person was never your friend, what did you do by saying things you've always said? And it's just, if these people are more concerned about fitting in with strangers than being, than caring for someone they've known for decades, they would never have your friend in the first place. Well, I agree with you 100%. But then in this instance, that never happened. You know, so, you know, do I have friends that, and this is lifelong and I'm older than you, Tim. I've had friends, you know,

that politically or ideologically, we don't think the same way. But before all this COVID crap and before everything that went down, that was okay. You know, if someone told me, you know, they were voting for George Bush and I, you know, I was voting a different way. I was like, okay, but I can still be your friend.

That's all changed. I think Trump changed everything. I don't, I think Trump's a symptom. I don't think Trump personally changed it. I think. No, I think. The Trump era. Yeah.

The Trump era is people can't, cannot deal with if, you know. I'm, I'm kind of, you know, part of me is glad it all went down because you really get to see who's evil it's yeah it's kind of sorts you know the rotten fruit sort of exposes itself and it's important not to hate though because it's like this dumb ass sigh up man it's like hate the left and the right and the this and the them and the the up and the down and like the and it's like it's all getting through social media and they're like did you see far left this guy's skin color is this color and this one's this color and it's like who gives like who cares yeah but look amen so what i'm what i'm talking about is i used to be i was a huge fan of the offspring and then i heard pete's story and started talking to pete and now i am the opposite of whatever a fan would be.

I'm a detractor. I don't know. An opponent. I like their music, their early music. It is what it is. I'm not going to pretend like all of a sudden I hate the music. But, you know, I grew up listening to this stuff. And then I found out what they had did.

And I'm like, wow, these people are bad. And Noodles blocked me. He blocked me too. That's not a surprise. And I just will say it's like a crazy thing. Just the first song I ever learned was The Kids Aren't right. And then one day he's blocked me on Twitter. And I'm like, wow, it's kind of cool. You know, like, like I learned this guy's song. I've never experienced the pain of noodles blocking me. He still follows you or something. I'll hug you guys after.

Sounds horrible. How did you get through it? We're survivors. I laughed. I laughed a hearty laugh. And I was like, yo, this is crazy. Like, I grew up playing, like, I Choose, and the kids aren't all right, gone away. And now this guy's, like, gone hyper-political and blocked me on Twitter. And I never even talked to the guy. I don't even know him. But I think it was around the time that we started talking with you and working with you. And then all of a sudden, he's like, you're gone.

Yeah, you can't associate with me. I'm a terrible person apparently so i think i think uh a lot of people might know your story but a lot might not do you want to explain like what went down with you yeah for sure um you know i i think for for all of us here anyone in the music industry and in 2021 they roll this vaccine out the whole industry is looking at each other like, all right, well, how do we get back on the road? How do we get back to making money? Because we've bombarded people with fear for a year or more of like, stay in your home, don't gather in groups, don't go outside, don't be in public. And now it's like, well, we'd sure like to start selling tickets again. What do we do? And I think, you know, Live Nation and the other people at the top of the pyramid were like oh how

about we'll have the idea of the fully vaccinated tour right so now we can say everyone in the bands and crew are fully vaccinated so it's safe for you to come out and come to the shows again we'll turn the money spigot back on everyone get back out there and we'll act you know COVID's over long as you go get this shot you're going to be totally safe. And at first, I think it also trickled down to the audiences, too. Like the couple big artists out of the gate, you know, for whatever reason, they were like, oh, we're doing these shows that are only for the vaccinated. Bring your vaccine card. You can't get in without it. And I think they all figured out pretty quickly that, you know, mandating the vaccine on your band and crew is good for business.

Mandating it on your audience is terrible for business. Like they pissed off half of their crowd because a lot of people did not, were not interested in this or were hanging back to see how it went. Didn't want to get one up front and were pissed that it would be segregating them out of being able to go back out to concerts and things, especially since, I mean, it was pretty well known if you were paying attention that it didn't stop transmission. I mean, the FDA, even in January 21, I have a screenshot of it that my wife took, you know, said, well, most vaccines are, you know, made to stop the transmission. This one was not tested for that. We are hopeful that that will be the result.

And you're kind of like, you know, I sent that to some of my very, very smart friends. And their response was, well, I don't know. That's weird. That doesn't make sense. But I still think everyone should get it. So fall in line or else. Right. So I knew it was headed my direction.

And, you know, so by summertime, we had just put out a new record. We were gearing up to get back on and tour like everybody else. And I thought we had just started a dialogue, and there was, let's try to figure out a solution here. I'm not getting this for my own medical reasons. Well, your doctor advised against this. My doctor advised against it. And it didn't matter.

Out of nowhere, I got this phone call from their manager that was just insane, abusive, like threatening, bizarre. Like, you know, I'm a drummer. I'm used to kind of getting treated like crap. You're at the bottom of the food chain of the music industry, right? You know, what do you call

the guy that hangs out with musicians, a drummer, right? So I'm used to crappy phone calls. This was like an annihilation. It was crazy. I got one for you what do you call it what do you call a drummer with no girlfriend homeless there you go so many yeah i got a good one hold on i got one what's the difference between a moose and the mighty mighty

bostons what is it moose has the horns in the front and the asshole in the back there you go you said something when you were working on kimmel dickie like in this right along with what you're saying that like disney came in and they said everyone has to get this medicine and everything i know about the medical industry is you go to a doctor they give you medicine that's tailored for you they wouldn't say like your doctor wouldn't say everyone this i'm going to prescribe you a medicine for every human because every human's different so like it was just shocking and dismaying. The one size fits all thing was part of what led to me to this is bullshit. Because I have children.

What I'm going to take, my children are going to take. My elderly mother's going to take. It's all going to be the same thing. My sister who has MS, she's going to take the same thing and and it just that made no sense it's like how do we know this this guy you know doesn't eat can't eat gluten his joints are better with without eating gluten this person here you know is whatever it is allergies we're all different that's why we have our own personal physicians to assess our own health.

This felt like the first time that it was, the whole world can take this thing all at once and we're all good, no problem. We just made it. We know nothing about it. Right. And then, so here, I mean, Dickie's outright like, well, this doesn't sound right to me, so I'm out.

And then Pete, you're like, my doctor actually warned me because of my medical history. And they said, we don't care. Yeah. No, I had my medical exemption. Didn't matter. The manager didn't care. And he made it very clear in no uncertain terms that I had the choice of get the shot or I would be replaced.

This is why I'm saying it shows you who's evil. Right. How long were you with the offspring? 14? 14 years at this point. 14 years. Yeah. And so I'm like, well, that was a really weird phone call like that you know that seems unnecessary and i took it to the band they

backed him up didn't didn't matter and everything deteriorated really quickly after that and then you know basically overnight just ghosted like i found out i was replaced i checked my southwest app my flight to rehearsal had been canceled my access to the band work calendar was revoked later the same day. And that was just it. It was just like you, your family, everybody doesn't matter. You're a race.

And it's, you know, they say like, you find out who your friends are, but it's like when you're in a band and you guys can attest to this too, your family, like some years you spend more time on the road with these people than you spend with your own family.

And you know, everything, everyone's your family. And but you find out where you are and where you really stand the first time you say no to something. And, you know, that's this was the first no that I had given and I was gone. This sounds like it sounds like the Soviet Union. It sounds like how communists behaved in Solzhenitsyn and things like that, that you are a terrifying other and you are not adhering to, what do they, what do they call those things?

There's a, there's a phrase for, I don't know. I got to listen to more James Lindsay, like front lines or something like that. Or I don't know some phrase where it's like, there's a narrative everyone must follow no matter what. Don't question it.

Stay in line. Don't back off and so when you are even legitimately through medical reasons no no no there's what is it no no no there's a word for it there's a word for acceptable narratives like you must agree with the ukraine war you must agree with the lockdowns you must agree with the vaccinations you must side with these political issues and if you don't then you're outside it's crazy that like you were saying before before covid and i would actually add i think before the trump era whatever you want to call it if you are a different political background like you could still be friends it was

like oh i don't know i guess and then we talk now all of a sudden it's like bro they didn't even call you they were just like quick quick delete is make him go away we don't even want to hear his name anymore yeah that's like weird cult level yeah not just me crazy stuff to me it was like my whole family you know our wives were really close our kids grew up together and you know and for me that the reason that i didn't i didn't say anything at first like i took a month to kind of clear my head and like see what would happen because I'm just ghosted so I'm like well maybe I'll hear something back and so nobody said anything and then they've got a tour coming up and they've got shows they had a show in Nashville where I live and people are hitting me up for tickets for all these shows that I know I won't be at anymore so it's like all right well what do

I do here I don't want to have this conversation 500 different times. So, you know, drafted up a statement was pretty nice explaining just basically here's, here's why I won't be there anymore and say anything bad about anyone. And it was just like, you know, but also said, I don't think this is right. I don't think anybody should be forced to get this by their employer, by the government, by anyone, you know? And, and so if anybody else feels left out and lost here like got your back you know understood and i just figured firing squad you know flamethrowers and that would be that but yeah shout out to the chat it's mass line it's uh the political organizational and leadership method developed by mao zetong and the chinese communist party it refers to formulating

policy based on theory implementing it based on people's real world conditions revising theory and policy based on actual practice etc etc but on people's real-world conditions, revising theory and policy based on actual practice, et cetera, et cetera. But people make references to, like, the Ukraine war starts. You must agree with it. And so you end up with this weird circumstance where the American political left,

as we describe it, is critical of the military-industrial complex, supportive of the military-industrial complex, in favor of pro-choice, because my body my choice my i choose my medical practice but then you should be forced to undergo medical treatments completely none of these things align logically they align politically and it's it it's any there's no logic to it but that is what you must adhere to right when it comes to the u.s funding

of you know israel for instance they're like no this is bad we shouldn't do it when it comes to the U.S. funding of, you know, Israel, for instance, they're like, no, this is bad. We shouldn't do it. When it comes to the U.S. funding of Ukraine, it's like, yay. You know, those Russians are bad when it comes to medical treatment. It's my body, my choice, except if it's pertaining to lockdowns and mandates. Yeah. No logic. It was bizarre. Zero logic. And that's the thing. And then I had people, you know, online. Discover the magic of Bad MGM Casino, where the excitement is always on deck. Pull up a seat and check out a wide variety of table games with a live dealer. From roulette to blackjack, watch as a dealer hosts your table game and live chat with them throughout your experience to feel like you're actually at the casino.

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free of charge bet mgm operates pursuant to an operating agreement with iGaming ontario and coming at me like and people i knew coming at me going oh well you're you're this right wing thing now or this or that which i don't that's not insulting to me like i'm friends of all political stripes but it it was just bizarre that it's like okay if you won't do this thing here's the laundry list of things we're going to call you that we think are terrible but it didn't make any sense i'm like i'm standing in the exact place that i've always been i voted for bernie sanders i'm you know have people yelling Trump supporter just because I wouldn't take the vaccine. I'm like, it's not an insult, but it's not accurate.

They don't care. But I thought we weren't putting labels on people that they didn't ascribe to. I love that. So you're not QAnon? I'm not. Yeah, go figure. I figured that was the guy from The Offspring the whole time.

Yeah, man. You're not. But did any of the other guys in the band have you guys experienced similar similar things like refusing to adhere to lockdowns or anything like that or is it just is that why these guys are sitting here at the table i mean luckily luckily i live in in texas right so it's it's not an issue it never even really came up i just dickie and peter my friends, and it was like, holy crap,

what's happening to them is so crazy and wrong and how can I be there for my friends kind of thing. Man, that's crazy. That's awesome. But that's nice,

right? Yeah, but that's normal. But that's the thing, for all the people that ran from you, there's this other group of people that ran towards you,

you know, and you kind of, like my wife said, well, you know, we're not going to hide of, like my wife said, well, you know, we, we're not going to hide here. How do we, how do we find our people? How do we find our tribe? And for me, it was mostly like to speak out and say something.

Cause I know tons of people got fake cards, tons of musicians, everybody went back to work, kept their head down. I'm just going to ride this out and that's cool. But for me and my kids, do you want me to list those names? No, we're good. I know a bunch of them. A lot of people probably do. But I'll tell you guys what, man. Tim wants me to list them. You know, I'm 50-50.

Some people deserve privacy. It depends if they're hypocrites and they're evil and they're doing nasty things. You call them out. But, you know, you talk about the people rushing towards you. I'm pretty sure my mom, I don't know for sure, but I'm pretty sure she cried when she found out that Pete Parata, the drummer for The Offspring, was playing drums with us.

Because when I was a little kid playing Offspring songs, and she's bringing me guitar lessons or whatever. This is the band. These are the CDs. I got the tab books for Ixnay and the Ombre, Smash, all at once. And I'm at home. I'm playing it all. And then one day she's like, the Offspring drummer is playing drums with you like this is amazing i'm like well i don't know man i mean

it's crazy and then for ian when we mentioned that you were coming dickie yeah ian starts listing off all the albums he used to listen to so loyal man dude screw these people smooth these these i've spent the day with ian i wish your mother liked me no i'm just kidding she probably does. It is interesting how if you're a kid and you have like a hero that you look up to, and then you live your truest self publicly, that you may end up working with them. Like that is mind blowing. But maybe you wouldn't want to.

Because like, you know, look, my mom was, when I was little, she's like, oh, you know, Dexter Holland, he's getting his PhD and all that stuff like she was so proud that i was looking up to a band where the lead singer this rock star was also getting an education and i did think that was really great you know tim he flies his own plane that's true yeah you know he's a rocket scientist that's fantastic and he's a bad person he's a he's a bad guy because i just i i got i got you know if if there's no there's no excuse man he broke young tim skateboarding young 13 year old heart child me is like learning now and is smashing guitar in the background what a great guy pete is i i yeah i mean i would push back on anyone being bad people i think sometimes people make choices that i would consider bad i

didn't enjoy the choice they made for me um i don't think they're bad people we were friends right up until i never heard from them again you know you you're a nice guy pete you're a nice guy but i gotta tell you if here here's here's how i imagine the circumstance right they're a big touring band right they're doing a bunch of shows and these venues mandate it because the government mandates it but the venues weren't not all the venues were the venues weren't mandating it it would they left well i guess on the audience so yeah some some venues were saying you know we'd like worse than i thought but i know plenty of bands that had you know someone had a medical exemption and it was accepted it's not like they were clamping down because no one wanted to cancel

shows for any reason it was just show us a piece of paper, come play your show. Whether it says you got it or you can't get it. Is it public how much they made when they did shows? Like what their rates were? I don't want to out anybody's private business stuff, but I don't know if it's like publicly known or something. I don't know.

I don't even know myself. I'll just say, you know, they're not poor, right? And my view is if I had a band, if I had a show, if anyone at Timcast and we are going to do shows, we're going to do a bunch of venue stuff and something like this happened, there's no way in hell I would cut off communication and terminate someone I'd worked with for 14 years. My worst case scenario would be something like I'd go to you, Pete, and I'd say, we got your back. We'll keep you in the studio as long as we can when when when we can get you back on on the shows you're there we'll keep paying you come hang out the venue doesn't let you in screw them we may have to get

a touring drummer but we got you man we're here with you on this one i wasn't allowed in the studio either but that's that's that's that that's it well that's the thing though i'm like none what i was trying the conversation i was trying to have with them was hey we don't know yet you know the manager's screaming at me well there's borders you can't cross and they're i'm like well which ones we don't know yet i great we don't know yet there's venues you can't get into which venues well we don't know yet i'm like well then why are like it just felt like it was a little soon to pull the trigger on get this or get out you know and then they go on tour and i'm getting text messages and instagram messages from all these other bands then they're like dude we're on the same festival

with your old band today none of us got the shot nobody asked us for papers or anything and i'm like i know that that's why you know that but i can't get through to anybody yeah there was no there was no venue that fall of 2021 there was no venue in the united states that i could not have played with them there i checked i looked up everyone believe me until i finally had to just stop caring for my own sanity and and uh mental safety and um but you know once they went to england in october november yeah i wouldn't have been allowed to go there and i understand that then then i tell you, like, I would outright just be like,

bro, if you can't come to the studio because they won't let you, if they can't let you enter the board, my response would not be, well, you can't cross the board if you can't work with us. My response would be, looks like you're getting a year where we're going to pay you because they're not letting you come. Keep an eye out, and we'll go through all the fine details as soon as we can get you in. If you can come in this country

or you're with us, if not, hang out at home and we'll keep paying all the fine details as soon as we can get you when we get you in if you can come in this country you're with us if not hang out at home and uh we'll keep paying you yeah it was it wasn't about that it was just you you can't say no to people that are you know well of course i was not in a position for so many people though it's also just optics they don't they don't they don't want the controversy they just want to be able to say that yeah everyone's everyone's that man it's it's such a bummer but i think we're winning on this front it's not just about you know covid uh trump was also that there's like a similar thing here but covid was really like with trump there's a lot of people voted for him but kept their mouths shut with covid it was just like 10x i'm worried something like this happens again where it's a mass line you must adhere no matter what white lung white like you know i don't think it'll be

white lung people are you know people are pointing out like it's it's affecting kids and that's a problem for sure but is that the way back in though because you know covet wasn't affecting kids and that was that was the one thing they couldn't convince people and i think that yeah that's suspect right things to kind of crumble but this one out of no mistake about it this time it's affecting kids but i mean like with with trump's campaign a lot of people kept their mouths shut because they didn't want to be outed as a trump supporter but there was no harsh extreme authoritarianism you're not locked in your home then they do the lockdowns and it's the same thing it's the it's the political line you must adhere

to no matter what and the punishment was 10 times more severe covid was like no like how many well just sorry but like there are some people who got fired for being Trump supporters, but early on, it wasn't as pronounced. There are some musicians who were accused

of being a January 6th. They got fired. But like the COVID stuff is outright. Take a medical treatment and in your instance, against the advice of your own doctor.

And that's crazy because you should definitely just not listen to strangers and listen to your doctor. And the level of this is what i mean if you supported trump or didn't support trump it's kind of like who cares you know but people were weird about it if you couldn't get a medical treatment they destroyed your life yeah the the next level of this follow the line or else terrifies me it's it's gulags

it's do it or putting you in a in a you going to go break rocks. I feel like the COVID experience was like a psychological vaccination on the human consciousness. Like it was such intense fear, propaganda and numbers being flashed on CNN, death numbers, these horror, horror, horror, scaring people insane. And then numbers start to come out that it's like a 99.7 percent survival rate and you're like what in the hell did we just do for two years and now people are like immune to this and not a hundred percent but it's like we're ready for this kind of stupid fear prop now like i'm i'm hyper vigilant against fear propaganda at the moment and i know a lot a lot of other people that are that weren't in 2020 well but even at the time in And I know a lot, a lot of other people that are, that weren't in 2020. Well, but even at the time in 21,

I mean, people like me that got let go, other people from bands all around that got fired, my guys went on tour, they all caught COVID anyway, I wasn't there to blame. Like it didn't matter. You know, it was just about getting everybody in line. Like everyone has to do this, we're not gonna have any dissenters in the camp.

It exposed a lot of people, a lot of, a lot of bad people. Yeah. And now you don't agree with bad people, but it exposed a lot of bad of people who are willing to engage in dark deeds. There you go.

We'll agree on that. I'll meet you there. I'm just saying like, yeah, but I, for me with the, the white lung or whatever, the new thing that the fact that this new,

the newest round of the vaccine, that the the new thing that the fact that this new the newest round of the vaccine that the brand new one that nobody wants there's another rounder there's a new an updated booster right so now they're saying what hokal in new york was like well if you got the other ones it doesn't matter now now you need this new one because nobody wants it i think it's up to 14 percent uptake so it's like does that that make the other 86% of Americans anti-vaxxers now? Did you? Oh, wow. Yes.

Did you see, Ken, in Texas, they're suing Pfizer. The Texas AG is suing Pfizer, stating that Pfizer lied about the efficacy of the vaccines and what they did. So that's, I mean, it's kind of wild to think a state is not going after these corporations saying that they put out lies. what really pissed me off youtube to this day is aligned with with an organ with a company that is currently being i believe they're being sued i believe that's what ken paxton launched was it a lawsuit or an investigation i think it's a lawsuit yeah i think it's a lawsuit youtube's policies are to align with the opinions of private

capitalist corporations that are selling a product instead of board certified doctors who are going on youtube and saying like here's my my expert analysis no those people are getting banned that's crazy yeah anybody who's who said anything against the narrative was banned if you i wonder if your doctor went on youtube and stated here's why what i told pete I wonder if he would have got banned. I would imagine. Yeah. It was just the fear was so, so elevated in 2020,

like June, 2020, people that legitimate doctors that were offering counter opinions were getting banned. It's not the case anymore. A lot of these same opinions now are kosher. Well, cause a lot of the stuff they said back then that was called conspiracy stuff has been widely accepted as fact now, but you know, no credit given to the people who were banned and censored over it but now we all go oh well yeah obviously it didn't stop transmission and obviously you know but it's

still you know then they like to twist the twist the wording like well it cut down on hospitalizations well it made your symptoms less severe and it's like well that's not what was sold to everyone so so your stuff they can really even prove right are these guys that you want to name are they you know are they are they are they so uh well i don't i don't i don't want to do anything that anybody doesn't want to do i don't i don't we want name see you joke i just like i just like the thought of people i know going oh shit, shit. He likes to have the list. He likes to have the list. I think we got to name them.

But it's an issue of you name people who've done bad things. Like, I'm going to criticize the Offsprings. I think that was a total dick move. And we know they did it. Yeah. But I think we got to name people who've done bad things. Because the issue is, these people are coming up to a fork in the road. There is a path towards the light to a fork in the road there is a path

towards the light the path towards the dark and they're looking around like well if i go to the dark side i'm gonna get some free stuff as long as nobody finds out yeah they don't want to do the right thing because they're scared everyone will watch them do it they're scared that the people on the dark side will attack them and they'll get harmed they know that if they go to the dark side the people on the light won't attack them you know what i I mean? Yeah, I... Good people... I understand what you're saying, but I think that there's a good percentage of those people that think that they're going to the light

and I'm going to the dark. I know for a fact, I made my own choices. I made my own decisions. You think that they know willingly? I think that... No, I think it's like 80-20. I think 80% of these people

who are standing with the mob... I'm going to need a pencil. Now we got to do math. We're doing math. Amy. I think... Thank you. people who are standing with the mob. I'm going to need a pencil. Now we got to do math. We're doing math. Amy. I think. Thank you. 80, 20.

Yeah. Got some paper. One in five people genuinely think they're doing good. The rest are like, I know what I'm doing is wrong, but I hope no one finds out because I don't want to be the one to get the negative. I think for sure. I think there's plenty of that. Here's the thing.

You know, whatever we want to say. Thank you. Give it to me, professor. Carry the one.'s the thing. Whatever we want to say. Thank you for the sign. Give it to me, professor. Carry the one. Carry the one. That sign's already taken. Why did you write your name on it? I don't know why.

You wrote your name on it? I think it's because I claimed that piece of paper when I tore it off. So it's like, this is yours now. Here's the thing. I think we can talk about the negative. We can talk about the offspring we can talk about you know the offspring or whatever they didn't do or however you feel about them or they shattered young tim's skateboarding and listening to pretty fly for a white guy why don't you get a job that

was your song that was one of them yeah super easy it was like f what is it what was that song like f and yeah it's obli di obla da it's obli exactly right that was everybody's favorite line to yell at me online was why don't why won't you get a jab it's like but yo can we just point out how conservative the messaging let me just finish my thought and and we can go back to your favorite bit but i think the i think the point needs to be made that it's like through all of that you know me me and pete are now friends and me and the guys from the defined good good has come from that so whatever like i'm so past like you know i i mean i i want things to be different going forward whatever this white lung may or may not be or whatever the next

you know bullshit they're going to throw at us in order for corporations to make a lot of money i hope that we we've learned something from this like oh i did that last time but i'm not going to do this again this time and i think pete's point about this you know the 53rd booster nobody's getting it i think you know slowly but surely people are starting to learn whatever's going on here so so it's it's like i don't i don't really the negativity i don't think i need to to to bask or even dwell or even live in that at all to me it's like noodles and dexter to forever will be noodles and dexter me and i and and the you know todd who plays guitar now i guess for the offspring you know bass he's bass he was bass player but

didn't they move him to guitar he was guitar all the way around all the way around he wanted the bass job what do you want from me i thought that that was like he was he was bucking to be the guitar all right so i got it backwards anyway so he's the bass player he's been my friend since we were you know years for a long time he was a kid when I first met him. And when I wanted to meet Pete, when I found out what had happened to him and I said, hey, maybe we should make some music together, Todd gave me Pete's phone number easily, willingly, and not with any kind of anger or anything.

So I'll never forget. Actually, I'll give you my list, Tim tim you can put it in a safe somewhere i won't forget you know the way people behaved and the way they acted and there's certain things that happened to me that is in my head but if they came if these people came out to me be i you know be hey how you doing we played a festival a couple of weeks ago bunch of bands that i know you know probably very negative about us were real real welcoming to us and we were treated really well at the festival by the people there i'm i'm more of a figurative divine retribution kind of guy yeah and uh i think that we we don't want bad people okay how about i'll try and but there are really bad people we don't

want them to keep doing these things yeah and we don't have to do it to more people and so what i would love i would love if after they they axed pete the way they did yeah they couldn't find another drummer and they were like bro and not maybe for even ideological reasons yeah let's say they go they say okay you know what this this This Pete guy, we've known him for 14 years and we don't want to work with him anymore because he won't take this, his doctor doesn't want him to get this vaccine.

So we're firing him. So then they call up somebody, we need a new drummer and they all go, wait, you fired your drummer for what? Because a doctor gave him, I'm not, are you nuts? You're going to fire me in two seconds.

Well, the problem with that is, is Tim, and I know you love The Offspring so dearly, is that- I like their songs. I won't, I won't deny. Yeah, is that playing the drums for The Offspring so dearly. I like their songs. I won't deny it. Is that playing the drums for The Offspring

is a real easy job. So replacing Pete was no, I'm kidding. Well, that was a thing that I would do. He was a way better drummer than they needed. I'm just saying, if no drummer agreed to take your position, they'd be forced to say, we're sorry, Pete. And the bad action is is rectified and through no pain other than you made a mistake nobody wants to work with you for

doing this because you did a mean thing to somebody but instead some other drummer is like i'll take the money i don't care there are other methods of retribution that can manifest like if pete were to leave the band and then offspring makes another song that's even better than anything they've done but the defiant makes one even better than that. Well, we've already done that. I gotta be honest. Yeah, I think, like the songs you were playing earlier, I was like, wait, that was an original? And I was like, I thought you guys were just jamming.

And it was actually, I assumed it was like a top 40. Yeah, it's just ours. I mean, with the Smash Mouth guy, what do you say? I mean, you got one of the greatest songwriters of this or any generation. Greg's the Smash Mouth guy. Very inspired by the Boss Tones,ones actually i'm just gonna let you guys know that right now thank you that is kind of the coolest thing ever though to be honest like just work getting you guys have getting to work with other musicians that you've also liked it's

a blast and none of that because we you know all have the same beliefs and the same sort of values and and not in a million years would if someone came to me and said hey you know my doctor said you know i can't take this and everybody else is going to i not i would i figured just like you said i would have figured out a way yeah this guy is my friend and that and that it's just the way I've always done things and the way you know if you want to talk I don't know about the rest of your shirts

but you know Pete's got the Misfits on and Michael Graves has been here he's a rad dude Michael's awesome I've played on one of his songs he's a great dude

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But, you know, he's rad. He's rad. And again, I wouldn't have, I probably wouldn't have, I met him through you guys here. So, you know he's rad he's rather and let's again i wouldn't have i probably wouldn't have i met him through you guys here so you know it was yeah we we the first punk show i ever played with my band impact unit hardcore band was opening up for the misfits oh wow in boston i was 17 years old wow yeah see that's the for for i think a lot of people listening right now especially people have been commenting like they bought all the boston records they were kids listening to people are commenting yeah yeah they're chatting they're writing about but i mean like that story is like

so many people are inspired and that's like the stuff of legends for them it was a thrill it was actually a pretty big kind of famous show i think they made their video for brain eaters in boston the day before and uh they had a bunch of Boston hardcore punk rockers. And they got some of the guys from the FUs, DYS, bass player for my band Impact Unit, a kid named Sam McAfee. Kid, nice old man like me. And look it up. Brain Eaters is the name of the song.

Not you, Ian. And not even now. You can't stop me. Not even now. I'm talking to the people commenting. Oh, Brain Eaters is the name of the song. Not you, Ian. Oh. And not even now. You can't stop me. Not even now. I'm talking to the people commenting. Oh, brain eaters. You know, yeah. So it's a great video of them just, I guess they're eating cow brains.

Oh, wow. Kind of just to wrap up my last point. Yeah, I can understand. Did I step on it or shit on it? I don't think so. No, no, no. Okay. You know, I understand what you're saying about we want to find the positive and move

forward and focus on the good. Yeah. I can't. I couldn't for a million years. I don't like my friends being treated badly, but we're moving on. But then my concern is, what if they do it again? What if they do it worse? What if our culture becomes dominated by people who know they can get away with doing bad?

I think you want to forgive. For sure, but don't we want to just resist and say, at the very least, don't do that? But here's the thing about this particular band, is that there was a lot of anticipation about us even just doing our first show, and what that would be like. A lot of people were like,

oh, they're going to get booed offstage and all this kind of thing. It's like us doing good and us doing our music and just, you know, doing well is very powerful. And actually, now that you guys with this new album are going to, you know,

just shatter the billboard charts and make millions and millions of dollars, everyone's going to be sorry. You know, they're going to regret it. Sure. From your mouth to God's ears, my friend. Thank you, young Tim young tim that's the thing would still you know people yell at me online like why are you still talking about all this

why and it's like because i don't want people to forget all i see right now is what you're saying is oh we need an amnesty we need to you know we're gonna memory hold this what you know we did the best we could with the information we had and that that's bullshit i'm sorry we know amnesty we need a nuremberg it's crazy that they say that when they also simultaneously like wished death on you yeah you know they like i i want you i want you to die i want you to get no hospital care if you get sick i didn't kimball say that like the things that they said and now they want you to move on it's like without saying hey i'm so sorry that sorry that I said such awful things to you. They like to say, we all said things that we regret.

And I'm like, I don't. I still back everything that I said. But now that the narrative has shifted, everybody's like, well, I don't want to admit I was wrong. So maybe we should all just. I'm sorry, dude. I got to go. I got to say, I mean, if you, Dickie, went to the hospital, Jimmy Kimmel thought you should die. I'm sorry, man.

I don't like the guy. Homie, believe me, went to the hospital, Jimmy Kimmel thought you should die. I'm sorry, man. I don't like the guy. Homie, believe me, that broke my heart. Yeah. Believe me. And I'll tell you something. I was still announcing the night he said it. Wow. And he knew that I was not going to get vaccinated.

So, and he knew, and we were friends. And we talk on the phone. Tim, when I tell friends and we talk on the phone tim when i tell you we talk about hey you know the whole the same old stuff we always talked about how you've been this and that but so yeah it broke my heart but there was so much else going on at the time for me and and you know what what when i decided not to do what i did, when I decided I wasn't going to get that COVID shot, it affected me monetarily too. It affected my livelihood and my lifestyle. It wasn't an easy decision.

But the reason I made that decision is because there's people that followed what I do. And, you know, Boston's fans, you know, Ian's out there that were Boston's fans said, well, Dickie did this, so I guess it's cool.

And I just didn't want to send that signal. I didn't want to tell them not to. I'm really excited to say this next line because before the show, when we were talking about,

you know, the Smash Mouth music and I started thinking about the 90s playlist that we got going on and, of course, the impression that I get, I mentioned you have that line about the 90s playlist that we got going on, and of course, the impression that I get. I mentioned you have that line in the song,

I'm not a cower, I've just never been tested. I like to think that if I was, I would pass. And I was like, I looked up and I was like, bro, you passed. Well, thank you for saying that. It's kind of just such a cool thing for me. I'm a little kid. Of course, I knew the song.

In my car, I have 90s playlist. 90s was the last decade. My favorite decade, sorry guys, is the 80s. But the 90s music of course has been a rotation and so my favorite decade is the 70s yeah 70s stuff was great dude what was your favorite stuff i mean it's true am gold i liked all of that you know you know seals and croft or america or all that you know the california stuff early california stuff but, that line, man. It's like, I grew up, I remember hearing that. It was brilliant.

It's a brilliant lyric, the whole structure of it. Well, I'll tell you, the song itself was just that, was just about, I mean, we were a ska band playing ska music, traveling around in a van and then eventually a bus. And we had the opportunity for, you know know there was 12 guys in that van that you know could go from city to city show up people were excited you were in their town and they'd come out and hear you play it's like wow this is a great life which led me to think about you know generations that went before us it's like i'm so you know the people that lived through vietnam or you know your grandparents the great depression and, and, you know, all kinds

of, and I'm like, my generation just really hasn't had anything, you know, and, and, you know, maybe enter, you know, nine 11 and then, you know, this, for me, this, this, you know, the pandemic and everything, the lockdown. So, and me being forced to say, oh my God, I, I'm going to do something that's going to possibly, you know, affect, you know, my family. Was it as, was it as hard as you imagined the challenge would be? You know, when you wrote that song? Dude, I was laying awake at night going, you know, I should just do it. I should just go against all my values. I should go against all, you know, my beliefs and, and I can do it. I'm not, you know, so I'm not afraid of it. I should just go against all my values. I should go against all my beliefs and I can do it.

I'm not afraid of it. I'm not, you know, but I had a very supportive wife and my kids are wonderful. They're probably younger than a guy my age should have, but I can't imagine the world without them. But I said, no, but the one thing that i kept thinking was i don't want people to get a vaccine based on my decision when i when i know or even i didn't even want to get the fake card i didn't want to signal and i didn't want to you know so for me it was off the table and i and

i couldn't do it and i know a lot of people who uh i believe have fake cards and nobody nobody says it explicitly but you get a wink and you're like i think i know what they're doing yeah and when sometimes plenty you want me to read the list i kind of do i mean that's the thing though when for me with the fake card thing because that was suggested too like well we'll just do this and it's like no i don't want to do that because number one, same. I don't want to look like I'm okay with any of this because I'm not. And I don't want anyone thinking, oh, everyone in the band got it.

So I should get it too. But not just that, your position was substantially worse because you have a doctor saying like, hey, you know, Pete, based on your history, I don't think this is a good fit for you. And then you're like, I'm going to tell everyone I did anyway.

And not only are you then saying, I'm okay with this. You're also saying, even when my doctor told me not to, I did it anyway. And it's like, no. But also you take that card and then you lose your voice there. Now I can never say anything because now, you know, there's legal ramifications there. And so I'm looking at my kids and going, well, what am I showing them here? If I'm hiding from this, or I'm not standing up here, what kind of father am i so yeah hey dad what did you do yeah i'm gonna face the firing squad like a deck chair and i got a fake card right but show them that there's no opportunity your job or or and there's no one that above you

your employer government anybody that should be able to tell you what to do with your body and if i can't stand up here and show them how how do I expect them to hold onto themselves later in life? So for me, if those are the only two people that were affected by positively by my decision, then that's, that's plenty for me. So what's it been like since I mean,

so you guys are in a band, you got songs coming out, you're playing shows obviously, right? Yeah. Yep. Just, just started playing shows.

Record came out right before Halloween. We've got a show coming up halloween we've got a show coming up yeah we've got a show next week in anaheim with the aquabats oh wow that's amazing yeah and and there's no beef everyone's super chill and the music the fans are going to show up and um yeah do you mean beef amongst us just no no i mean like like people aren't screaming and boycotting your shows like there's other bands like we'll let you know i'll text you from the show this is your first but you've played shows before right yeah we played that festival in southern california as well yeah so we just did one show

a few weeks ago this will be our second show you see you see some of these some of these guys from these bands who are running these fake cards that they like put their heads down and just like scut a lot of the room um no i ran into the teenage fan club is that the name of that band no teenage bottle rock teenage bottle rocket oh yeah and and it's a band that the bostons took on the road um years ago when they were kind of just starting out teenage bottle rocket and and they were good guys and and we enjoyed being around them and i liked the band but during the pandemic there was a lot of hullabaloo around them where they were actually you know i'm like reading the paper and go what's this all about the teenage bottle

rocket is playing a show in florida and if you're vaccinated um it's you know twenty dollars and if you're unvaccinated it's a thousand dollars i remember that you remember that this teenage water rocket so um i was like i was so angry i was like why the hell are they doing that and then they ended up on cnn and i could see they look like kind of deer in the headlights on the show on the cnn show and the real enthusiastic like cnn was about it like look at these guys this is just great so you're gonna do good for you you know if you're on vaccine they're like well you know uh kind of stammering and stuttering a little bit and and uh the segment ended but i've i've been mad at them since like just well that's it was illegal what they did well well we i we covered they were playing this

festival yeah and we pulled up in the parking lot and i got out me and greg drove down together and i got out and they were like getting out of their van next to us like oh the defiant you know this we kind of i was walking around like that anyway around the thing like i was all you know hello hello how are you the defiant is here and um about halfway through the day one of the guys from teenage bottle rock goes dude i really want to tell you a story and explain to me basically he got railroaded the whole band got railroaded it's like we wanted to start playing shows again and then you know all of a sudden this this promoter starts announcing it's a thousand dollars for this you know we were

scrambling to find out what the hell's going on and why are they doing that and then they got the news involved once the news were involved now they're on cnn now they're on you know people and this is at the time where it's kind of you know well they didn't know what to do so cnn made a story i mean should they have said you know hey under no uncertain circumstances but they didn't know they didn't want to be thrown in the you know they all got shots they were all vaccine vaccinated guys and so they were agreeing with the thing but they didn't agree with the show and the terms as it was i'm fairly so i think in the real world you can't discriminate on the basis of uh disabilities and things like that yeah and so there's an issue for someone who's

who's uh goes to their doctor the doctor says you're not a candidate for the vaccination yeah like for instance if pete went to that show and they tried charging you a thousand bucks because your doctor has prohibited you or or advised you against there's nothing else you can do that's like, what is it? The ADA, the Americans with Disabilities Act. You're not allowed to charge someone more money based on a medical issue. However, I kind of feel like you go to any judge with that. I'm not familiar with the ADA, I'm sorry.

Well, it's basically non-discrimination based on medical issues and disability. Whereas EEOC is like non-discrimination in the workplace based on certain characteristics and then you have human rights law and states that bar that protect um like customers and things based on race so the civil rights act would protect you based on race religion national origin etc but uh i'm i'm fairly certain if you brought suit the judge would ignore the law and just side with the cult and be like we are all marching in lockstep we don't care what the law is well at that time there's such a fervor and such a oh this is great they should pay a thousand dollars what if they did though and then you would

have all the people that paid 20 and then the people that paid a thousand and they'd be like well now we're unsafe and they're still here yeah exactly that makes everyone safe yeah i doubt anybody paid a thousand but i mean i kind of wish i did but that was the ridiculous you would have because i wear a t-shirt that says i paid a thousand dollars to be here yeah on vax and then just be like who wants to stand next to me you know i think nobody would care well that's how ridiculous everything was at the time though because it's like okay cool so you're mandating it on your band and your crew you're not mandating it mandating on the crowd is there some invisible barrier between the crowd and the band you're all crawling over each other you're screaming and singing leaning out in the audience

how does it make any sense medically that you know half of the people here don't have it and half do like let's that's a good point that's an excellent point but let's let's let's let's even go beyond this i mean the uh who was it was it bad religion they put out that alt-right song do you remember this the kids are alt-right i think the name of it was bad religion yeah yeah yeah that song was pro alt-right and it was the weirdest thing for me that i don't know if they're trying to be ironic in in in praising white nationalism or what was going on but i bring this one up because something weird happened in the trump era with punk rock where punk became corporate mainstream rage against the machine is now known as rage on behalf of the machine like what's up with this

like have you guys experienced this was it wasn't my fault yeah you jumped ship i mean you were like i'm gonna out of here i just don't think they realize. I don't think they realize. I think people are into legacy protection mode. Like they're playing prevent defense here. Everybody's so scared because everyone's getting called out for something all over the place, right? So all these bands are like locking down hunkering down keep your head down don't do anything controversial don't say anything controversial like let's just ride this out like

everybody's worried about getting their whole legacy erased for for doing one thing wrong voting for trump but also that that whole concept of like being anti-establishment being like you know fuck the man all this kind of thing is was sort of easy to say when it didn't really mean anything. You know what I mean? It was just like, you could just throw that stuff out there. That's so... But when it actually is like... This is right, man.

It's kind of sad. Yeah. How many punk rock fuck the man bands said, govern me harder, daddy, as soon as it came down to the line? That's how I feel. I think there's such a vast majority of people, too, that were coming from a good place in the sense that they were just trying to do what they thought was the right thing and i think that they're really victims as well they just don't understand they don't

you know you know i i i disagree but i understand what you're saying but i disagree because that's what we call the banality of evil yeah uh the the commonplace actions of the ignorant masses believing that what they're doing was a just cause right leads to people being loaded up into train cars and then brought off to gas they just don't see it though you know what i mean they think they're doing the right thing and their power is much bigger than themselves that are snowflake doesn't blame itself for the avalanche but if we if we this is what just comes back to, I mean, all of these people who marched in lockstep with authoritarian, fascistic ideologies and forced medical treatments will gladly do it again if they think the pain is on on their side and not on our side what i mean is it's like i was saying with the two roads if they look over here and all we say is we will forgive you and just move on they're like okay then i have no risk whatsoever for knifing you in the back and they look to where they're standing and the guy

next to him says you make one wrong move and i'll destroy you and they're like i'm with you i'm with you because he knows none of you guys will ever speak out like you're like you'll defend yourselves you'll move on you'll be successful those are all good things but it's like you're saying with the you know i understand there's a difficult line of like are you really going to read off a list of names of bad people that's why i'm like some people may have done bad things but we will try to forgive as many as we can when when when it makes the most sense we'll try to inform them and say hey come to the side of the light don't do it again because here's the risks you face but some of these people are just i'm sorry man i know you don't agree but i think some of these people

are evil you got to live you got to like forgive but not forget like those people lost their knife privileges because if you really think that they're going to turn around and knife you in the back like you take their knife away that's what you get for doing that i forgive you but you don't get to use your knife right now and like if we could take everybody that got the last three years so catastrophically wrong who were in charge, can we not let them be in charge again next time? And I think it's not worth being angry. Yeah, we should do that. If there's no accountability, they'll keep doing it.

But it's not worth getting. It's like if you're in a cycle of abuse, if you're abused, it's important for you to be able to forgive that person so you don't live in hatred because the hatred is just kills you. It's bad for you. It's like holding onto anger only burns you, you know, that metaphor. I think it's like sun zoo even maybe.

So I think that's the state of mind. I'm not angry with these people. I won't let myself get there, but I don't trust. I have less trust for the masses that I did before. That's for sure. I just think we need to establish counter narratives before, ahead of time.

Like we're talking about White Claw, whatever the hell it's called. White Claw. Alien subterfuge. That too. That too. We're talking about White Claw. What's next?

Is the power going to go? Yeah, White Fang. White Zombie. White Zombie. Love him. White Lung. It's kind of fun talking about, what's the next big psyop?

If we can talk about it now and ridicule it, by the time it comes around the bend everyone's ready for it that's the way to beat in the future not like scream at them when they're already well coming at you i want i want to say this because when i said this to dickie before the show he told me to say it on the show and then he wrote it down because i said if you want to really make a positive change buying the defiance new album is more effective than donating to a politician and voting i'm not saying don't vote i'm not saying don't donate to politicians those are important too and i think you should definitely vote but politics is

downstream from culture and a successful band that so we we talk i talk about ways to prevent this stuff from happening again here's a simple way the Defiant ends up becoming a multi-platinum band and you guys are the biggest thing ever. You know, winning the lottery ticket levels of odds, like are you going to crack a synth pop Billboard Hot 100 and beat Taylor Swift? I got to be honest, I don't think so. But that level of success, sorry guys.

Have faith, man. But that level of success is trend setting, sends a message to regular people that the path of success is in standing up for these values, being a good person and not being on the wrong side of history or whatever they call it. The reason I'm so invested in building culture, like we're doing the skate show, I've been posting a ton of skate clips, is I want young people to look at the success and say, I can be defiant and succeed like they did. If you guys don't succeed, kids are going to grow up believing I have to just toe the line. Otherwise, I'm doomed. So while voting is important, the cultural arts and music and media that persists instructs the politics. More specifically, the defiant. the defiant as a band specifically is

going to save the world you gotta buy their come on let's play a song that's the cue right there yeah but i see what you're saying though you know politics is very wishy-washy very transient and follows trends where do trends come trends from come from culture so yeah i agree you can affect politics through culture where you can't do it the other way around you go to you go you go to these look they just expelled uh santos right he's so i mean that's big news we're having we're having fun talking cultural stuff yeah santos is a republican they say he's a liar and he lied about all these things so they vote to expel him from congress there's a video of them taking his plaque off the wall, removing him from his office. Jamal Bowman, the Democrat, committed a crime going to a fire exit,

pulling the warning signs off and pulling the alarm and running away. And they don't do anything to him because the machine, the politics is controlled. So even when Republicans win and all these people are like, we're going to vote republican this time because democrats are doing all these bad things what happens they expel the republican because he's a liar but not the democrat who's literally committing crimes in the capital complex that's that that's what you get with politics so you know what we need to make these things unthinkable and how do you that? When people are looking to the media, looking at influence, looking at who the big stars are, who are people looking up to? It's going to be the people who are saying, screw that, that was wrong. And then that will dictate the rest of how people are going

to act. When all the big celebrities, TV shows, you know, comedy shows, people like Kimmel, take the other side of it. People get scared that they don't want to be the other. They want to, nobody wants to be othered. They want to be part of the mainstream. So when the mainstream personalities are saying, do as you're told and take the medication, regardless of what your doctor says, and YouTube allows people to do it, which is wild. Then people are scared. Like if I speak up, they'll come after me. Now, what if we inverted that? What if the defiant was bigger than all these other bands? And they said, nah, you should just take your doctor's advice.

Ignore all these people. The government shouldn't force you. Then people are going to say, I'm scared to mandate. You see what I mean? Yes. That's my point. I see what you mean, but I want your listeners to understand that too. Yes, because then they'll buy your album.

Do you know what he's asking you to do people well in all in all specifically in all reality no uncertain terms tim is telling you make the defiant huge well it's the defiant official.com by the way the the simple uh point is if people like what genre would you describe your music as punk i we call it punk yeah yeah if you're into that kind of music put on your playlists check out the songs songs are really great and if you're not into it um put it on your playlist too i guess if but no look if you're if you're not into it but you support ideologically then be an activist and put it on your playlist and and listen to it or even more so buy the album to make a statement yeah i prefer if you like the music you buy it

and that's kind of why you're doing it. But we just, what I want to see is everyone is a good person. That's the second thing we disagree on. I don't care if they like it or not. I still just want to. Just buy it. No, I'll take it. I'll take it.

I'm kidding with you. Good people should be successful. It shouldn't be that you guys are all good dudes who are sticking up for your friends or sticking up for yourselves or just following your doctor's advice and you get punished for it it's it's so let me tell you guys a story you guys ever hear of uh the yes men these political activists it was they have like a tv show or something you're supposed to say yes i think yes uh i don't know if they had a show but they they do these culture jamming pranks and one of the things they did was on the anniversary of the bhopal disaster which which was this big chemical spill that happened.

I think it was in India. Killed a lot of people. On the anniversary of it, or before the anniversary, they made a fake website that looked like a Dow chemical website, which owns Union Carbide, the company involved. They made this fake website and the BBC reached out to their fake website and asked them to send a representative to talk about it their activists though is a trap dude goes on the bbc and then declares dow chemical will liquidate union carbide and use all of the revenue to pay the families and the victims of the union of the of the of the of the Bhopal disaster. And the BBC was like, what? Like, this is insane.

This is crazy. Became massive news instantly. Dow Chemical instantly put out a press release saying this is not a representative. We are not doing this. We take no responsibility. The stock collapsed. Wow. And then after it was cleared up, it rebounded.

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please contact Connex Ontario at 1-866-531-2600 to speak to an advisor free of charge. BetMGM operates pursuant to an operating agreement with iGaming Ontario. That's not good news. What activists pointed out was when it became apparent to the public that Dow Chemical was doing the right thing in paying the victims of the disaster, their stock collapsed. People jumped ship and they lost money for doing the right thing. Turns out they weren't doing the right thing. They're doing the wrong thing. And the stock rebounded that's the sad reality of of our of our culture in our system so i'd prefer it if the defiant hit billboard number one double platinum overnight for whatever reasons and then we get to lord it over all the evil people and say maybe you

should be good people and you'd get support as well instead it's just so so crummy sometimes when it looks like all the nasty people are successful and they're they're winning and they're making money and and they're you know, headlining these big shows. It's not always like that, but, you know. I feel optimistic. I'm optimistic. I feel good will overcome. I agree.

I do. I think ultimately. Punk is a genre. I always thought it was like, hey, I'm yelling my shit. Like, that's like punk. But is it more like you're just, you're considered a punk? Yeah.

Hold on. I was just getting started in it. All right. Let's start again, Ian. What's the question? I am a punk. Can you hear my voice? Like, anyway, I'm just kind of,

that was a joke. But like, it's like punk. Is it that you're considered a punk by the mainstream establishment? It doesn't matter how you sing. You might be singing a beautiful soprano voice, but if you're saying things punk by the mainstream establishment doesn't matter how you sing you might be singing a beautiful soprano voice but if you're saying things that disrupt the establishment are you then the new punk or is it just counterculture and the punk happened to be counterculture at the time that i mean that's subjective in so many ways i mean bob dylan

could be considered punk rock you know i'd like to say punk is to music what your shirt is to shirts. You get a good shot. Yeah. It's classy, fantastic, beautiful and inspiring. But also a sloppy mask. He's laughing. Like, that's not what that shirt is. Purchased on Amazon.

Shows the right amount of chest hair. It's made of a synthetic phrase here. I think it's silk i i don't think i don't think necessarily punk has to be angry though i mean our record's not angry we're not angry people it's very melodic like but i think the punk attitude is that you have something to say yeah i really i really like that line in your song where it's like bring on the guillotines it's time it's time you know you know i don't recall that no it's not but yeah i mean that to me feels like music in general has gotten really safe over the last decade or so to where

nobody's i mean especially now everyone's afraid to say anything so all the music is very bland even the the punk rock stuff is very bland enough that we're kind of saying something we're shaking our fist at the man but we're not really saying something but hopefully whatever you're going through you can take from this and think that the song is about you it's it's bland enough to apply to everyone but that you know that's not taking a swing at anything right you know so i i think for a band like us to come out and people's expectations might be for because of my situation or dickie's situation or any of our situation that all these are just going to be angry guys, you know, shaking their fists at this guy. And it's not that at all. And I think that's what's been exciting is for people to discover the music and be like, oh, my

expectations were wildly off base. This is actually really, really accessible, really good. So you could have like punk rock, like you were saying, punk pop, you could have punk rap. There's an attitude for it. i mean it is still a musical style as well but you know it doesn't necessarily have to be in that box per se so there's we have this song i mentioned earlier the kids are alt-right by bad religion and the response everybody basically gave was like this song sounds like they're in support of white nationalism and it's really weird that because they just said it was against it then the left just agreed with them like one of the lyrics says if you're alone and feel downtrodden as an elixir for your ills join the alt-right post light

and darken mint order there's um everybody needs somebody join the party the kids are alt-right bad religion is definitely not alt-right yeah we know We know those guys. Well, I know, but like, I don't, this, this song was not written as, as a hard critique of alt-right. It's actually just writing what they think and, and how, if you're feeling down,

you can be, be like, like them. And I was like, what? I just thought that, I don't know. I don't,

it wasn't like a bad attempt at trying to be topical and being political. I don't know. They have a tendency to be somewhat sarcastic being political i don't know they have a tendency to be somewhat sarcastic i mean you know like yeah the recipe for that record has has a lot of that you know which a lot of people i remember in those days when that record came out a lot of white supremacists like took the lyrics of that song like yeah these guys are for us and it was like no it's actually very sarcastic. A lot of the lyrics, you know. But that doesn't matter.

If you write a song where it's like, join the party, and they're like, yes, please, you can claim it's sarcastic, but if the average person doesn't interpret it that way and it's a mixed message, all you're doing is telling people to be white nationalists. Well, I think they're playing a character. I think that it's, you know, I don't think.

Yeah, it's not coming from any. It's like our song, We Make Drugs. It's like Ted Kennedy's had that same kind of thing, though. It's like, you know, they play the part in order to, like, to show, to be more clever about it, you know? It's like, and if you don't get it, then you're the idiot kind of thing. Oh, we did a song of that genocide. One of the lines is you're marching you're marching to the beat of just like i'm not that's not what we are we are watching and we literally are well it's i don't

think we are i don't think we are and i hope that talking about it changes the weirdest i mean the weirdest thing for me as a kid who grew up punk rock for as long as i can remember is that it was all about sort of being anti-government anti-big business always questioning big pharma always uh being anti-war anti-industrial military industrial complex all of these things were very and i free speech was a very big one too and all these things were very they they also felt very left too i like that that to me that's the biggest the most bizarre thing of this whole past few years is i'm literally the same person that i've always been same beliefs same everything else that just the world around has become well you're you're for free speech yeah

so you're so you're a conservative? No, no, no. You are now? Yeah. Joe Rogan's a conservative. That's what I'm saying though. You can be standing in the same place and the world is shifting around you and now you're getting pointed at.

Literally doing the same. I'm saying the same thing. I'm doing the same thing. I believe the same thing that I've always believed as a punk rocker. There were songs that I can attribute, like you said with uh government flu with dead kennedys was really about covid like that that was a song

that like uh raised me you know and it's like the all of that stuff is and i share those same well so the argument from the left is that if you were a liberal in the night in 1955 10 years later you're like i'm standing in the same spot and all of a sudden they're calling me right wing for saying we shouldn't end segregation you're like what's going on it's like the naacp would while they were fighting for against racism and fighting against segregation and everything else they were also fighting for the right of a klansman to be able to have their first amendment right you mean the aclu i mean the aclu sorry no no no no no no but the argument for the left is that i'm a high school dropout sims so i'm just gonna i'm just

gonna put that out there the argument for the left is that if you were a traditional liberal in like 1955 10 years later after the passing of the 1964 civil rights act you're like i don't understand i've been standing in the same spot but the world changed around me and so their argument is yes if you hold the same views you did 30 years ago you are a conservative because they are the left and the liberals and you are the traditional right-wing position reality though conservative is an adjective it's not a noun so you are conservative you are not a there is no such thing as a there is adjective that makes no sense it's like a green am i really a green no green is an adjective well now you're making semantic arguments but people use the word

liberal and you as a neutral dude can be conservative sometimes and be liberal sometimes and you can conserve liberal principles like the first amendment you obviously want to conserve the first amendment doesn't make you a conservative like dude you know like a very wildly liberal like i want to liberate i want to change the laws too that makes me very liberal it's just it's like you're wrong conservative is a noun well that's what maybe the internet tells you but keep it keep it in mind everything google don't put yourself in a box unnecessarily rock song again hey i'm coming from the north and the south but if you think back to like what what what punk rock was all about and what it's always been all about it's like

at the moment right now i don't know what the percentage is 70 80 percent or more of all television advertising the advertising that's taking place on on youtube it's all pharma based right it's like this is what we've been trained for you know what i mean and we're funding i don't know how many wars at the moment like this is this is what this is what we've trained for well i got i got i got bad news for you guys if you if you're anti-war you have to vote for donald trump he's the anti-war candidate no he's the first president in my lifetime that didn't start a war he's the he created a timeline for the withdrawal from afghanistan i'm a kennedy man i think kennedy would be good on war as well especially yeah i think kennedy would not be he would be anti-war

he'd be anti-mandate so that's why a lot of people do like kennedy as well yeah but but i i find that acceptable you know what i mean like excellent of rfk jr but is that but i've refused to change my policy i don't care how many wars there are i don't care i mean i still am going to be anti-war absolutely yeah no i agree i'm never gonna like war i'm never gonna support it i'm never gonna feel good about any wars we're involved in and i think that we should be sophisticated enough in the modern world to just say enough's enough and figure out how to end it. Oh, but the machine needs to be fed.

I know. So you got to throw something into it. You got to nuke something. Did you read Smedley Butler's book? No, no, but I've read excerpts is the best I can say. It's an easy read. Yeah?

Yeah. That was the banker plot, right? What was it called? He was like the most decorated Marine of all time best i can say it's an easy read yeah yeah he was that was the banker plot right that was uh what was it called he was like the most decorated marine of all time and this is uh what was his book called yeah it was the the business of no it wasn't it wasn't the banker what was that the business of war svedley butler war is a racket you guys racket yes anti-war classic by america's most decorated uh something or something oh okay here we go the wall street push the business plot gangsters of capitalism when uh they they these guys went to smedley butler and said they wanted to overthrow the

u.s government take over yeah but but anyway but the whole book is about exactly you know war is a business. War is a racket. We're sending people to die so that other people can get richer. And that hasn't changed a bit since good old Smedley's day. Yeah, after World War II, we were just talking about this on We Are Change. We kind of, as a country, had an opportunity to decide, how are we going to unify this world?

Are we going to do it culturally? Are we going to do it religiously? Are we going to do it culturally? Are we going to do it religiously? Are we going to do it scientifically? Are we going to do it through war? And then Henry Kissinger, God rest his soul, just passed away at the age of 100, was like, we're going to do it through war,

and we're going to do it through limited war, so we don't have to bomb Moscow if West Virginia gets hit. We don't go right for the Capitol. It's not, let's keep it limited. But I think they did us a great disservice. The other argument, though, is like, if you just sit tight and try and defend yourself and just have strong borders that gives them an opportunity to develop a sneak attack and you've got to like be looking outside and around for incoming potential threats i this like goes around and

around in my head like the military industrial complexes has 97 military bases all over earth ultimately like the romans were doing the same thing because like like the french thought they they were safe from the germans before world war ii they're like we have the the the maginot line it cannot be penetrated the arden forest to the north cannot become we're okay we have a strong defense and then the germans had invented some new technology with the the panzer tank and it just shredded all the defensive capability they took capital in three weeks they like went south and it just shredded all the defensive capability they took the capital in three weeks they like went south and then they went through the forest yeah through the forest

unexpectedly so like it's just sitting isolationism isn't the way because then that gives them a chance to build up their military for a sneak attack but i don't know i don't think that invading and conquering countries is necessarily necessary in order to you're just saying like maybe a couple preemptive nukes on their capitals i don't know what to do because the united states won't please tell me what he's saying yeah like really having trouble following i i think it's me basically like if you don't patrol your borders beyond your borders like if you just sit right behind the wall someone's going to come over that wall so you've got to go out there and like and that's what our military this isn't helping yeah i Ian's basically saying he wants limited warfare like Kissinger wanted.

I wonder if there's a better way to establish global dominance and, or at least global order without, without warmongering. Well, economic hit men, you know, like what if we sent intelligence assets and special agents to go offer up these these these leaders of these other countries bribes if they don't take the bribes then we try to remove them from power and then when that doesn't work we can send in these uh these stage these coups and have them drug dragged through the streets like um you know like like like a daffy was you know maybe maybe maybe something like that ian just trying to buy them all off again i'm describing what they literally do yeah it's disgusting there's uh do you guys know the tales of the economic hit hitman or whatever yeah i've yeah i forgot the guy's name luke luke would know way more about this but basically he said this with the u.s u.s uh foreign policy is we first go to them and say yeah you're gonna do

what we want and we're gonna make you rich and they go i don't want to be rich i'm gonna fight for my people they say okay then we're gonna do everything we can to support your opponents and put in a new leader good luck if that doesn't work then they say okay send in the troops confessions on your show no no no that's john perkins is his name in the books confessions of an economic hit man yeah there you go i read that book oh right so you know about this stuff yes crazy dirty yeah the anti-republic evil crazy stuff unsurprising we're at the point now we're like a great book yeah like the united states isn't going to get invaded because they got nukes russia's not going to get invaded china's okay they're not going to get invaded india's not going to get invaded so like we're kind of past the

whole conquer the earth thing now maybe they didn't expect that in the 50s they thought like we have to but that's why they're going for the one world government like economically the economic forum is trying to build like a a new order like a global order yeah here's what here's what i think you guys want to the truth yes the reason why all the ufo stuff is coming out because what's actually happened this is a galactic federation of planets but the earth can't join the galactic federation because there's no unified earth government to represent earth to the galactic federation and so they came and the aliens were like look dude if you want earth in the federation you need a unified governing body to represent your planet otherwise

who are we bringing in russia the united states or china y'all gonna blow each other up so you get that sorted we'll be back and now they're like quick quick we got to join the alien federation and that's why all the news about aliens is coming out see that proves it wow that's all i told joe that and uh rogan and he's like i don't think there's a galactic federation i'm like john joking like come on man if i could pick i guess it sounds a little plausible my perfect way forward would be that our culture is so badass that we establish such everybody wants to learn english everybody wants to dance like we dance and think like we think that they start overthrowing their totalitarian governments and create statehood.

Yeah. The problem is though, half the country is like the parents from Footloose. We're trying to get everybody to dance and they're saying no dancing. I think dancing is the answer though. You're onto something here. Yeah. Bill and Ted's Excellent Adventure was prophetic. There you go.

Yeah. But you know, what's kind of sad is like Bill and Ted's Excellent Adventure was amazing. And then Bill and Ted's Bogus Journey was just a lot of fun. Yeah. And then what was that third thing they did that was just like they took a dump on the floor well i didn't see the third one guys the 90s was the last decade do you agree i feel like it i feel yeah like the 90s so once we got into like the 2000s but it's nicer to hear a younger person say that yeah i would say yeah

like my favorite my favorite decade's probably the 80s just because how insane it was with like the leopard print hot pants yeah and the mullets yo how much fun was that and plus tears for fears oh yeah and the busy businessmen doing coke all the time but tears for fears is just like one of the one of the greatest acts musical performances of all i love tears for fears and but i do love the 90s too i'm a kid of the 90s but like we can look at the 50s we recognize it we see the 60s we recognize it 70s 80s 90s and then the 90s too i'm a kid of the 90s but like we can look at the 50s we recognize it we see the 60s we recognize it 70s 80s 90s and then the 2000s happened and it's kind of like oh kind of for the first few years maybe like long sleeve shirts underneath short sleeve shirts or something and then it just fizzled out and now it's just a spattering of like especially film

wise i would say yeah you know i my 14 year old daughter loves 80s and 90s movies she's that's all she wants to see i mean yeah come on it's groundhog day and the fashion too yeah oh yeah time kind of first of all you should check out roland orzabal's solo album tomcat screaming he's the lead singer from tears for fears tim you're gonna love that freaking probably tears for fears is amazing but when the internet got started, internet video, it kind of time ceased to exist. Like time is, first of all, not a real thing.

It's a human concept to explain motion. Disagree. We use it to coordinate motion, but basically things are just spinning around in the universe, constantly moving. All it is is moving. And so we built this thing called time

to like understand where things will be when or where things are going to be. I got to pause you there and just say Ian's wrong. I mean, we could do a whole show about time is a thing it does exist so with the static nature of internet video you no longer wait till thursday like you don't have like next week on it's like it's always there all the time so like that's i think why this idea of like decades are gone like it's all one space now it feels like in a lot so if you believe modern science and i can totally get that a lot of people at this point are like i don't

even know man uh time is a thing it's a construct no like they've sent a bunch of uh spheres into orbit that were like four one hundredths of an atom uh correct and then had them drag through space time to prove einstein's theories that space-time is a tangible thing space-time is a thing i'm talking about right and space and time are right space times is also cultural time is is a different thing that we actually had this conversation earlier talking about you know there there was a cultural change that that that was much more rapid from the 50s 60s 70s man things really changed yeah now things don't really like decade by decade it's you know musically and things like that you're not seeing that drastic of a change between what was happening in the 50s 60s i mean

there was a massive change just in just a short amount of time. Now it almost like time has slowed down culturally in terms of things changing and things progressing. That's my theory on that. Kids are going to see bands now that you saw in the 90s. Yeah. Like Offspring are still selling tickets. Oh, dude, there was a viral video of a woman wearing a Nirvana shirt. Woman, she was 18, and she's like, I don't know what this is. Everybody just has tickets. Oh, dude. There was a viral video of a woman wearing a Nirvana shirt. Woman. She was 18.

And she's like, I don't know what this is. Everybody just has it. They wear it. And she's like, I don't even know what it is. And it's like, that's a band from the 90s. My point I'm making is, though, that if Nirvana was still around, people would still be singing Nirvana concerts. But I wasn't going to see the Big Bopper in the 1980s exactly exactly

when you were exactly the Big Bopper was not headlining a festival in 1980 I'm saying it's cuz he got killed but you know what my point is my point is this fifties arties fifties artists were not headlining festivals in the 1980s were now the artists that are headlining festivals are from at least 40 years ago. Let me ask you. So fairness to the big bopper, if he was alive, I'd buy the car. Worst example, sorry.

If he hadn't gotten that little plane. When you guys were young. Buddy Holly? No, not Buddy Holly. When you guys were younger, were there older dudes wearing jackets that said Harry Roy and his orchestra or like glenn miller band no or how about harry james these are the top bands of the 1930s right you know my my guy over here is wearing a misfits jacket we love the misfits yeah but like what

is that like 80s i love the 80s by the way i mean so good right see what i was saying you guys agree but i mean that's 40 years ago dude yeah crazy Crazy, right? 40 years from when I played with the Misfits in 1982. 40 years from now, it would be like... Back to the Future is a perfect example. Back to the Future is like, it's a 30-year period. And you're just like, oh my God, look how different the world was in 1955 versus 1985. If you do that from 30 years now, it would not look that much different. You think the cultural shifts that were happening, drastic changes in decade to decade,

was because the mass media was like forcing us to see it a certain way? No, I think the lack of interconnection actually pushes things forward. Because then people are going, oh, what's going on over there? Oh, wait, what's going on? There's not so much trend. Discover the magic of bad mgm casino where the excitement is always on deck pull up a seat and check out a wide variety of table games with a live dealer from roulette to blackjack watch as a dealer hosts your table game and live chat

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at 1-866-531-2600 to speak to an advisor free of charge. BetMGM operates pursuant to an operating agreement with iGaming Ontario. Transparency, I think. That's just my own theory. So like this homeostatic, it's because we're so connected.

It's slow. It's not changing as fast now like actors are getting ai versions of their personalities getting created for future movies james earl jones just said he doesn't want to do star wars anymore but they can have the rights to his they already have the rights to his voice yeah so he's around forever like time just stopped all of a sudden there's no more did he sell the rights to his voice or did he just say you could have it well so the challenge i think they're they're definitely going to go and ask him i think he did sell the rights yeah he did the thing where you record all the phonetic yeah permutations so it's but we're also we're also at a point where

uh and 30 rock predicted this one where uh jack donaghy played by alec baldwin's like oh yeah we have the rights to jerry seinfeld's voice from seinfeld so we can just take all the recordings and then mash his lines and make a new show so he's like it's like that's technically correct you could put them all in a database and then run them through the ai to make a new show using his voice yeah i can i so we've done this with a voice app like i can take any one of your voices i'm 30 take ian's voice i'm not gonna do it right now because I have to pull up the app. Yeah, take it and then put it through a filter so I can understand

what the fuck he's been talking about. Yeah. He's doing a lot of other people. But you can take like a clip of Rogan for 10 seconds and then make Rogan say anything you want. I think I heard that clip. I think I heard that.

There's a bunch of them. Yeah. We've done a bunch for fun. We like Jordan Peterson say stuff and you can just make anybody say anything you want these days it's crazy though it's a lot better and better these hollywood contracts will be like we own your likeness in perpetuity across all universes in every venue and it's like chris hemsworth i don't know if he signed that when he did four but to think that disney could do a deep

fake of chris hemsworth saying and doing whatever they want him to do is like a human rights violation if that guy didn't give like he signed some contract before deep fake technology existed of all the human right violations that are going to take place going forward that's going to be the one i'm least concerned about i think we should play some music yeah yeah i think if you guys want to play some songs we'll play some songs i've run out of energy all right well go to sleep I'm kidding let's get it let's get it so I'll pull up we'll intermix

some super chats while they're getting all that stuff ready but I figure we'll do the songs now we'll get the super chats in and we'll go a little later than we normally do

and I'll explain everything else to you after that Dickie yeah while they're getting the music stuff set up which will probably take about a minute we'll grab some super chats

so smash that like button subscribe to the channel share the show with your friends. And Carter, you're standing in front of the camera. Sorry, everyone. What up? All right. Here we go.

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Mr. Bocas is here. You know, Mr. Bocas, he's got a neckerchief on right now because he scratched his back up pretty bad. But, you know, I don't know how much time he has left, but he made it a year. He made it a year. Look at that. You see, they're getting ready. That sounds good. I'm going to go to the bathroom now that we're taking a little interlude.

Here we go. It's going to be fun. Ethan Sacco says, got to miss tonight to see the shift. I'll post how it is. I want to be totally dishonest. We did buy tickets, but with Alex here, we wanted them. We filmed the commercial for Casper,

and then with sound check and production, we were just up here all night. We weren't able to actually go see the shift yet. Check one, two. Oh, that's loud. Yeah, yeah. Is that too loud for you? Well, that's not. Why am I in a bucket?

I'm in a bucket, dear Eliza. Let's see. Yes. Which camera is the... I'll switch it over. We're playing acoustically. I think that's worth mentioning. It sounds so good earlier.

Thank you. Yeah, it was awesome. But I don't want people to buy the record. Our record rocks. It does. And Pete doesn't sit on it. Well, that was funny because they played one song. Is it It Is Over or It's Over?

It Is Over. It Is Over. And then I was like, wait, was that an original? And Dickie's like, you didn't listen to the album. I was like, I got to be honest. What do I got to do? What is it going to take? But the song was so good.

I was like, wait, there's no way. That's too good. You've done all right for yourself. Come on. I got to be like, okay, then's no way that was, like, that's too good. You've done all right for yourself. Come on. I got to be like, okay, then what I should say is those other songs weren't good enough. I expect more from you guys. What do you think? What song you guys got first?

This is my favorite, but I think think it is over my my new favorite pete pete showed me the album early on and that was dead language i was like whoa that song that slaps thank you how you feeling friday night. I'm feeling good. Punk rock show, acoustic. Pete did this really awesome thing where he's sitting on the kick drum with his heel on the pedal. You're saving space here.

Can I just look at this, man? Okay, well... The original music setup we had was like, we'll do an acoustic guitar and a singer maybe, but these guys were like, we could do it.

And I was like, yes, you can do it yeah yep so this is the defiant stripped down version you ready of a set first trash house sessions and uh yeah i'm ready when you guys are surges oh he's trying to get the camera real nice so yeah

these clips from these sessions are going to go on the Trash House YouTube channel what's the channel is it Trash House Records on YouTube

it is Trash House Records on YouTube correct so all the clips from all the songs will be up there as well correct and we got more coming

I was talking to Phil Phil said they're going to come with all their remains later on at some point when they're doing more shows. I'm like, anytime, buddy. Cool.

Dude, I love that Pete is just slammed in the corner. Ladies and gentlemen, The Defiant. Here we go. Oh, I go outside and leave this place I've got the air still blasting my face And I feel awkward and out of place I've got everything I need right here My fingertips, literally And there's an app for everything

So I go back to reality It's clearly overrated by then Why fall in love? Love is blind Plus, who's got that kind of time? And now we walk like zombies in the land of the lost Reap that mechanic and brush your eyes a little more Invest in these dead language and the time that you've got

Thank the Lord for our possible thumbs The sleep of the well Crawling from the curb to the door. I've had some deep conversations with the living before. I should have died at 27 like my heroes before. But I was too busy having fun. And I was too busy getting got. Oh, I fall in love, I heard it's blind

Plus, who's got that kind of time? And I can't dance and I don't drink wine So what the hell is in it for me? Why fall in love? Love is blind Fall in love, love is fine Plus who's got that kind of time? And now we are black zombies in the land of the lost Pre-fabricated universalized roadblock

There's no peace, there's language in the time that you've caused I thank the Lord for a plausible thought I sleep in the well, but crawling from the curtains of the door. I've had some deep conversation with the living room floor. I should have died at 27 like my heroes before. But I was too busy having fun. And I was too busy getting done. Getting done And now we walk like zombies in the land of the lost Pre-fabricated universal riser of cost

Best of peace, your dad laggers, and the time that you cost I thank the Lord for opposable thumbs I sleep at the well,ling from the curb to the door I've had some deep promises With the living floor I should have died at 27 Like my heroes before But I was too busy having fun

And I was too busy, we're too busy, too busy getting drunk Carter! My headphones are not working. Headphones not working? Alright. It's okay, but that was fun. Wow. Did you enjoy it? Yeah, I mean, you nailed it. Especially with the monitors not working. I'll take working? All right. It's okay, but that was fun. Did you enjoy it? Yeah, I mean, you nailed it,

especially with the monitors not working. I'll take your word for it. Yeah, that was good. Where were you? I don't know. How did something go? Where are you? Sounds great.

I'm not using headphones, so. Golda. You guys, none of you are wearing headphones? That song is called Dead Language. How were your headphones? They sounded good. You're good. David, let me know how those work out.

Check me. Don't lie to me, Pete. I'm not here to lie. Check, check. All right, this is the way this sounds. Yeah. All right. Thank you.

Hey, pull that reverb back a little bit. They were in and out. To be fair to you, they were in and out. Yeah, we need better connector cables. Tim could buy you a better pair, I think. That's right. Hey, Carter, go to his actual channel and just pull back some of the EFX on his vocal channel right there.

This song is called Where Were You? It's off of our album. The album's called If We're Really Being Honest. Send this out to the Tim cast, his listeners, everybody tuned in. Yep. All right, here we go. One, two, one, two, one, two, one. everybody tuned in? Yep. Oh, you can ask me how I am I know that you can give a damn

I'll tell you I am better than nothing And I'm right out of this world I'm going to ask me how I seem So sure I'm sure that that would end the discussion The rearview mirror caught my eye So goodbye to everyone in it And that imitating light Where were you when it all went down

When I needed someone you weren't around Why was it that you were nowhere to be found When I needed your most Tell me where it was that you were And now you see, now you don't I don't know when I'm coming home And hey, how did I look on television? If this road is my only path

Someone else can do that I'll tie it up long and thin The windshield doesn't look quite right Here's hoping that it might get brighter My future's bright, right? Where were you when it all went down? When I needed someone, you weren't around Why was it that you were nowhere to be found?

When I needed your love, tell me where it was that you were at the time And where did you go? I'll keep asking you, but I'd like to know Where were you and where did you go? I'd like to know Where were you when it all went down When I needed someone, you were in the round When was it that you were the one to be found When I needed you most, tell me where it was that you were the one to be found when I'm eating your bones?

Tell me where it was last you were. All right. All right. Nice. That was nice. Thank you. Yeah. Let's do these shoes and it's over.

What? Well, we're good, bro. All right. Okay. Hit right. Okay. Hit that like button. Just like, you know, put me on the spot. All right, Joey. Let's go.

All right. Later. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye.

Bye. In the year of our Lord 2020 I think that the month it was March For humanity's sake We were asked to partake in a breakdown, the arc of the hour. The rogues didn't resist and the scoundrels insist

to engage would be too tall a task. So do not disturb and get kicked to the curb. Make no mention or bother to ask. Oh, no bother to ask Oh no, where did Lady Liberty go? Oh dear, she packed a man, I tell it out of half The silence was silent, the sidelines were full

And the stands there were standing remotely. I spectated a sport that you couldn't cut short in, a league where you left out and lonely. Some would look inward and some would dig deep, and others would just look around keep your eyes on the shepherd and not on the sheep just be black she's out of here we don't know where Ain't it a fear that you could care less Good day and God bless I've gone to so many, now she can't be found Lost desperate case, just up on ground

And where do you go when you're gagged and you're bound? Good day, we say good day, and we'll see you around Lots they were locked and the latches were latched On the cage and the cuffs and the casket. The workers up front were dismissed or dispatched. Got a question, now it's time to ask it. The governor held in the highest. He got in a while how the mighty had fallen.

I guess the whole mess was not in the guy's foot. Did you hear the fox slayers callin'? Oh no! Where did Lady Liberty go? Oh! We don't know where she went, but we can sure as hell tell you the reason why Good day and goodbye Woo!

Woo! Yeah. All right. Sick one. Shoes. Yeah. What y'all got next for us? Shoes for you. Oh, thank you. These shoes.

All right. One, two, one, two, three. All right. I was living in a dream, a sense of strength I hope it ends for today All I love, I was a freak My eyes are wide and I can see a world gone black And not enough, my heart has not turned black I predict another sunny day And I'm not ever looking back So now I I get the blues

But you couldn't walk a mile in these shoes I'm not the kind who's gonna crumble and fall apart But when I look around it really breaks my heart Always laughing at the inside And I'm guessing that's a start Sometimes you've got animals for life But you couldn't walk a mile in these shoes The rapid sounds around me

The sky would break my fall Pull it apart and put it back together Run before we crawl And if everything was nothing now Nothing left to lose You couldn't walk a mile in these shoes Anything you have us for You couldn't walk a mile in this world for a moment

I thought my luck had changed I was living in a dream that seemed so strange I predicted another sunny day And I'm not ever looking back You had a spoon And you thought you were so cold But you couldn't walk a mile You couldn't walk a mile And you couldn't walk a mile. You couldn't walk a mile.

And you couldn't walk a mile in these shoes. I fucked that one up pretty badly. I'd like to apologize to my band, to Tim and your entire staff. I'm having a good time. That sounded pretty good. Is anybody still listening? I'm not wearing headphones, so I can't.

Yeah, you got like 22,000 people. All right, then I won't apologize to you, Joey. Our mix was so good earlier. It's still good. All right. Then I won't apologize to you, Joey. Our mix was so good earlier. It's still good. All right. Okay. Yeah. No.

I couldn't tell at all. We're louder now. Yeah. I'm actually listening to both what's going out and what's coming from you guys. So it sounds great. Yeah. It sounds good to hear. A lot of shows, they don't have this kind of discussion.

It's true, but I like to think it makes this one unique. The guy that talks to the sound guy. I believe we're the first, right? I mean, we were planning for a like. Could you come to Anaheim and do our sound? I'd like to talk to you during the third song. Sure. We don't have a sound.

Got a lot of fiery mood. Sure. Sure. Where do we go now that it is over? We can't stay here, they'll be that clear And it's time to say goodnight. Where do we go now that it is over? We can't stay. Let me back there and it's time to say goodnight. You don't want this to end

You don't know when we'll be back this way again Give them our regards and let them Know there's no regrets You know you don't want to let it go just yet just yeah so where do we go now that it is You can't stay here, let me back there And it's time we say goodnight Where do we go now that it is over? We can't stay here, let me back there It's time we said goodnight

You know what we don't want to live Oh, oh, oh, oh And we've got nothing off our sleeve Oh, oh, oh, oh When you give all you've got to give, that's when That's when you really start to live, my friend My friend Where do we go now that it is over we can't stay where do we go

now that it is over we can't stay, hell, it's not clear, and it's time we say goodnight. The beautiful sounds of the divine. We'll get over and we'll get through We'll hold on and hold on till Memories won't fade, we swear and try And we'll see you down the road, my friend It's just an ending, not the end Fail we may, but sail away we must And we must

Where do we go now That it is over We can't stay here they made that clear it's time we say good night where do we go now that it is over we can't stay here let me back there it it's time we said goodnight. Where do we go now that it is over? We can't stay, let me back there, it's time we said goodnight. Where do we go now that it is over? We can't stay here, they'll be back there It's time we say goodnight Where do we go now that it is over?

We can't stay Where do we go Where do we go now That it is over It's a question we gotta ask ourselves now. The casino. Where do we go now? That wasn't a joke. Head down to the casino.

Thank you. Hey, on behalf of me and The Def a joke thank you on behalf of me and the Defiant thank you so much thanks for everything what a really lovely time we had that was awesome thanks for being our first performance it was very brave of you I know is there anybody listening still

yeah 20,000 people yeah we have a shit load of fire emojis in the chat more concerts I know. Is there anybody listening still? Yeah, 20,000 people. Is there any possibility of that? Yeah, we have a shitload of fire emojis in the chat. More concerts, Timcast. And claps, cheering. Oh, look at that. Really? Yeah, you know, I think just so everybody understands.

Hard no? The guy just said hard no. Oh, I mean, you know, you get the haters. It's the internet. It's the internet. That song's really good. Yeah, that was my favorite. It's over?

That language is my favorite. Easy. I i know 90 of the words yeah but uh we we set this whole 90 of the words too that's pretty good for you you know but we we set this up the other ones it's 60 we set this up for for basically two stools and like a guitar and maybe two guitars and a singer and so for the first show we're like you know we'll just maybe maybe people be on the cajon and then uh you know it was like no we want to do the full band and carter's like we can pull it off and so we we did as best we could i guess we couldn't fit any more in here yeah i think i'm having a blast how you guys doing you got another song yeah you want to do another one yeah let's roll absolutely i don't know joey i don't know i tried to cancel one i met my love by the game he almost played the archies i was getting excited

um do you want to try drugs uh the answer to that is yes. Who said yes? Over here. We'll talk later. Let's get exploratory, my friend. What's something we could play that would sound good? That's a question you've got to ask yourself. Look at this dead space going on. This is not...

No pressure. Time to get back home. Yeah, we can finish out the Super Chats. You know what? Look, we got the record right here. Let's look at what we got. Let's check some of it. You guys want to play the impression?

Can you play it? The one you opened with. Yeah, if you could play it. No. No? Yeah, how does that work? There's no horns. I don't know how you'd pull it off.

Why don't we just say goodnight? Okay, well, it was your idea, bro. Earlier today, it was like, hey, I've been in television for a long time. You only do four songs. Well, I guess we'll have to have you all back for the uncle thing. I don't see any other way of it. Throwing us all under the bus.

Everybody loves me. Yeah. I don't see any other way of it. Throwing us all under the bus. Everybody loves me. Yeah. Yes. Oh, yeah. There you go. All right. We got an encore. Rushed right over that one.

All right. Last one. Here we go. Everybody good? Yep. Okay. One, two, three, four. One, two, three, four.

Oh, I'm a real a dagger or a ball or a knife I can kill your dreams and I can save your life I'm a red flag in the front blue streak You're gonna hear me brag if you allow me to speak A mule is gonna kick, the donkey took a punch They took me out to dinner, they said I was at the lunch I'm famous and you're dead, I'm rain on your parade Everybody loves me I'm the uppercut that broke the bottom jaw

I'm down below the radar, but I'm way above the law I'm full of cycloponies, I kill it I'll put out your fire and you burn your bridge I'm the top shelf on the bottom rung I'm a loose cannon, I'm a son of a gun I'm the third rail, I'm the top shelf on the bottom rung I'm a loose cannon, I'm a son of a gun I'm a third rail, I'm a coffin now But everybody loves me, loves me Everybody loves me, loves me

Everybody loves me I'll fill you up with a couple of p***s and a pig I'm pushing all your buttons and I'm pulling your leg So now press pause cause I'm a lost cause But everybody loves me, loves me Everybody loves me, loves me Everybody loves me, loves me. Everybody loves me, loves me. Everybody loves me, loves me. Everybody loves me, loves me. Yeah!

Woo! Yeah! All right, ladies and gentlemen, the Defiance. You can see us play with the Aquabats on the 8th in Anaheim, California. And fly out. If you're not in the air, fly in. It's the defiantofficial.com. Yeah, where can everyone find you guys?

Where can they find us? Yeah, other than Anaheim. At the casino. And the casino. Like online if they want to hear these songs. Yo, Carter, pull that EFX down real fast. Oh, yeah, people are going to your website right now, the defiantofficial.com.

Is that the best place for people to go? We have a youtube channel as well the youtube channel let's find out is that the defiant defiant official as well yeah it's all what we're trying to bring back is buying singles and albums because they're more powerful than streams so if we when when uh when we put out our songs, we asked everybody just buy the 69 cent version of the song instead of just adding it to your playlist. Most people that's into music don't actually care about the bands. They don't care about the culture. They don't care about winning.

They're like, I'll turn on my app and then press play on the radio app or whatever. And then in order to actually get to a chart or whatever, you need millions of streams. Whereas you only need like 10 000 purchases of a song to actually get that high as well so are you going to convince 10 million people to listen to the song one time or are you going to convince 10 000 people to buy the song and have it in their in their in their collection forever that has a bigger cultural impact and it's only 69 cents so buying the album buying the song if everybody who cared about winning the culture war bought their music the only music that would be succeeding are the bands that actually ask their fans to buy

music you'd knock out some of these big you know mainstream pop artists really quickly right to be fair that they still sell like it like the big guy like they'll sell like 500 000 overnight of one of their songs it's crazy right yeah but right on gentlemen thank you for coming he's gonna have to mail all that shit out come on man i'm a one-man show no i'll i'll take on that either scenario sounds great right on all right well i do want to grab just a few more super chats from everybody before we we uh we we dip out just to uh try and squeeze those in and uh you know read read some of the questions and stuff that people have brought in. So I'll try and see if we can get any of the good ones.

Everybody loves me! I like that one. That's hot. Alright. Do we have any... You know what we'll try and do? I'll try to make sure we clarify this next time we have acts though because I think it would be great if we had super chats for the band questions and things like that. And I know we do have some.

But here we go. Stephen Frost says to me, punk rock music, punk music is always the voice of those who defy the government when they cross the line. Pete, you are the true spirit of punk, regardless of your circumstance. And you deserve all the good that comes to you, bro. Thank you very much. That's super sweet to hear. Right on. Fucking machine. The fucking machine.

The generator himself. Joshua French says, Mighty Mighty Boston's got me through my first deployment when I joined the Navy back in 96. Mass respect. Damn. Thank you for your service. And thank you for yours.

Thank you, Ian, for yours. Raymond G. Stanley Jr. says, This is one of my favorite episodes, Mad Chill. Dickie is funny AF. It's like a culture war episode. I can't wait for the jam. And then the jam happened. So that was from earlier.

Chat was going wild during the music. All fire emojis. Everybody was super excited. And you look, you know, I do tremendous gratitude for you guys coming down, being our first ever attempt at at a live show on stream. We're going to tweak it. We're going to improve the best we can.

I really do appreciate you guys coming. Thank you so much. You get to the new place, we can do a rock version. The new place, we have a pro company setting. We have a big company coming and doing all this crazy stuff, whereas this studio is basically we duct taped the whole thing together. It's so small. It's not a small... Well, people think it's small. It is small. It is small. What is small the whole thing together. It's so small. It's not a small,

well, people think it's small. It is small. It is small. What is small? This room? Yeah, I think so. For this room, we're trying to do, yeah. Also, yes,

but this room is 16 by 35. Yeah. 16 by 35. So a lot of people think it's like eight by 10 or something. No, 16 by 35. It's not. No, we have a big table.

The next room we're doing, I think is what? It's 25 by, I think, 40. Yeah, about that. Yeah. 25 by something like that. Where's my pen and paper no actually it's 25 it's 25 by 50 i mean it's just quite long 25 by 50 yeah a lot bigger bigger room is that uh it's larger it's a lot bigger can't keep up with these numbers yeah you gotta do you gotta do the math you know you draw the rectangle this room is 13 by 16 by 35 i think it's weird.

Was this the master bedroom? No, this was called the sewing room. The what room? Didn't you live in here once? It was my bedroom before. It's too big for a sewing room. It's too small for the defiant to rock out in. Yeah.

I come from LA, so it's funny that there's actually a room called a sewing room where you barely have a bedroom. Yeah, we have a sewing room. What do we call that? I don't know. The room next door is called the bonus room. It's the second living room.

The living room is called the great room, because it has a kitchen and a living room, but it's also massive. This is like a weird building. It really is. This is not your normal kind of house, because I guess they duct taped a bunch of different modular structures together to make it i think this was the kids that makes a lot of sense now before we yeah yeah bought the place it's like that makes it definitely yo yo when you come here there's a window on the top of the building and it took us like a several months

to be like wait where's that window like what room is that and then we went we went upstairs and there's a wall there and there's no room and then eventually we punched a hole in the wall and there's a secret room like how big is that room it's huge but it's there's it's not can we play that room next time i can't stand in there it's completely unfinished and it's it's it's like i'm so confused as to how there's a window yeah and like how do we fix the window if it breaks you can't even go in there so there's a hole now in the wall in this secret weird space that was never finished it's just it's crazy building

I've gotten lost in here before I kept wandering around and I was just like wait there's still more house like everywhere I go there's still more buildings there's an enormous half pipe down six footer there's a an enormous half pipe downstairs. Yeah.

Six footer. There's a six foot half pipe in the basement of this building. All right, everybody. Smash that like button. Subscribe to this channel. Share the show with your friends. You can follow the show at TimCastIRL. You can follow me personally at TimCast.

The band is Defiant. What was your website again? DefiantOfficial.com. Buy the album. Albums are big. So what do we got to do? We sell 10,000 albums. We got to talk more about that off because everything you said sounded good to me but it's just like ah i'm doing everything wrong sure i mean yeah well uh let's let's let's get it going thank you guys we made these albums i don't think we have enough to do those numbers though do we

did we make enough for that well he's talking buy it digitally yeah yeah are you saying buy it digitally not by the album you can buy vinyl too oh i mean i know you guys sell the digital album you should definitely buy the album buy the album anyway there's lots of ways to buy the physical album by the record you guys don't know physical albums yeah we got vinyl actual vinyl i thought that yeah yeah oh dude you guys hit it on vinyl yes oh i'm gonna buy that vinyl we just have a copy here so so here's what we're doing for the new studio. In the skate park portion, when we play music while we skate, the rule is you have to put on a full album.

We bought a 1990s sound system. We're going to wire it to speakers on the ceiling and everything. And then we're going to do a CD or a vinyl. You put it on. You play it from start to finish. None of this randomized radio nonsense. Thumbs up, thumbs down. No, no, no, no. We're like real albums, real music. If you want music, that's what you gotta do.

Those are the rules. Nice. That's cool. So we'll grab your album for sure. Alright, guys. Thanks for hanging out to everybody who hung out this amazing Friday night for our first new jam session. We have more to come. We're actually gonna start booking more musical guests, so we definitely wanna reach out to 5 Timesust because he was here last time and we

had this set up and we didn't even think twice he was on pop culture crisis and i was like bro why we should have had him come up and jam but then also of course we have music and we've got a new music video coming out in two weeks oh yes and uh oh man i i i can't say should i should i should i should i mention a little bit about what we have going on? You can mention a little bit. We shouldn't promote it just yet because only today I've got all the numbers synced up and everything, but it's going to be coming out. I just want to mention, we fully expect Michael Knowles and Jeremy Boring to be in the video. So that's all I want to say for now, but it's going to be so much fun so anyway uh yeah if uh if ian wanted to carter ian you want to shout out anything before we wrap up i just want to say thanks for coming out and

being the first band guys like i'm i'm so happy with how it went tonight uh it sounded great and just so everyone else knows that you you can hear all this that we had tonight will be uploaded to uh trash house records youtube um and yeah right on that's it yeah man be good to yourself because that's where it all begins and then you'd be good to your community good to meet you guys that was fucking rock star that was hot let's do this again i'm looking forward to it right on you sir do you want to say anything before we sign off uh yeah my camera got all screwed up there, so it's the best we got for the moment. Sorry, that was my fault. Yeah, peace.

Thanks, guys, for coming through. That was fun. Really appreciate it. Alright, everybody. It's going to be a really wild next couple of weeks. We're going to be at AmFest on stage with Tucker Carlson and Charlie Kirk. I hope you guys are watching, or if you're there, we're going to have a whole lot of fun. We've got more music coming up. We're off for the week of Christmas, but thank you

for joining this 1st of December, and we'll see you all Monday. you