Timcast IRL - Timcast IRL #957 DOJ Rules Biden TOO OLD TO BE PROSECUTED, Tucker Putin Video DROPS w/Bill Ottman

Episode Date: February 9, 2024

Tim, Ian, Shane, Elad, & Serge join Bill Ottman to discuss the DOJ refusing to charge Biden because he is too old, Biden claiming he will be president of red states & green states, the release of the ...Tucker Carlson interview with Putin, and SCOTUS shutting down arguments by a democrat lawyer over Trump being removed from the ballot in Colorado. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:00:00 The interview between Tucker Carlson and Vladimir Putin is out. Wow. To say the least. The first 30 minutes are a history lesson. Very interesting. And I think Vladimir Putin missed a tremendous opportunity, a tremendous opportunity for him. But fine, so be it.
Starting point is 00:00:15 Because Tucker Carlson does, in fact, ask about the jailed Wall Street Journal reporter, and he actually tried to get the reporter home on the spot. And Putin said, nah, we'll get into all of that. And I'll talk about why there was a missed opportunity for Putin. But there are some interesting revelations that came out of that interview. Although Putin does say several times, these are not new statements. I've said these before. I do think in context with Tucker, there are some interesting things being brought up as to the perception of Russia, of Vladimir Putin and the war as it's happening in
Starting point is 00:00:45 Eastern Europe with the United States, et cetera. Of course, it's what most people said that Vladimir Putin views a CIA coup took over Ukraine, got rid of Yanukovych. And there's a lot more we'll get into. I don't want to break down the whole thing because, again, a lot to talk about. But we do have big domestic news, and that is Joe Biden. You know, he had a bunch of classified documents. And for that, he was facing criminal prosecution. The DOJ special special counsel has said he has mental limitations and it would be hard to convince a jury that is anything but a doddering old man with memory problems who doesn't have the force of will to actually commit crimes. I kid you not. The DOJ is actually saying, look, this guy's so old, he's going to look really sympathetic for being a doddering old fool. Amazing that he's our president. So we'll talk about that. And seriously, a lot to
Starting point is 00:01:39 break down in the Biden department because he once again referenced a dead politician, our former politician. Now, for the second time, the degradation of Joe Biden, it's getting absolutely crazy. So there's a lot to break down in terms of this Joe Biden DOJ decision, as well as the Tucker Carlson, Vladimir Putin interview. Before we get started, my friends head over to cast brew dot com. It is the best coffee you will ever have. We got Alex Stein's primetime grind, two times caffeine drink responsibly. That's caffeine can be dangerous. CasperCasperCasperCas Casper Coffee Club, you are supporting not only the work we do here because we sponsor ourselves, our company, but you're helping to support the new coffee house location, which we're building. And in one month, we'll be holding a private live showing members only 50 seats available. Tickets will only be made available to Timcast.com members.
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Starting point is 00:03:40 you'll get access to our members only uncensored show coming up tonight. Don't forget to also smash that like button, subscribe to this channel and share the show with your friends. Joining us tonight is Bill Ottman. Hey, hey, thanks for having me. Who are you? What do you do? Hey, I'm Bill. I'm the founder of Minds, Minds.com. We're an open source decentralized social network. Ian is a co-founder as well. That's right, Hi. We just launched on scnr.com a new independent network based on the Mind software hybridized with inverted tech.
Starting point is 00:04:11 So now if you go to the comments on scanner.com, you have to make an account on the scanner network and it's all federated on the Fediverse and this is what we're doing. It's basically like becoming its own Twitter, essentially. Right. And it's a news website with a staff that produces content, everything. Yes. Wonderful. We also got a lot hanging out. Hey everybody, what's going on? My name is a lot of Yahoo. I'm a journalist here at Tim cast news. Uh, thanks for having me. Did anyone ever tell you that you look like the lead singer from young, the giant?
Starting point is 00:04:37 I haven't got that. Um, I usually get, um, I forgot that. Nevermind. I forgot his name. When he comes back to me i'll bring it up they're a good band by the way they got some awesome songs but we were watching a music video and uh i was like oh look it's a lot's band and then someone looked and saw we're like what like they actually thought it was you for a second i was like no your hair looks really good today how it kind of goes up on the side it's a good hair thank you it was ruxin who plays ruxin in um the league that's who i get who i get nickroll. I get told I look like Nick Kroll. Oh, yeah.
Starting point is 00:05:07 I'm more handsome than Krum. I think a sexy version of him, but let's get on with it. You can't see him, but Mr. Bocas is hanging out right here as well. He decided to come up to the studio, and he's sitting in front of me. But we got Shane Cashman hanging out. What up? What up? I write about ghosts or inverted world. This is why I'm reaching out to Joe Biden, the medium in the White House. He's so close to death, he can see the other side. That's exactly right. The veil is the medium in the White House. He's so close to death, he can see the other side.
Starting point is 00:05:26 That's exactly right. The veil is very thin in the White House. I'm also hosting the Minds Fest, April 27th, with Ian's going to be there. We've got Bill's going to be there. We've got Tripoli's going to be there. Jimmy Dore, a lot of great people. You can get the tickets right now at the Vulcan Gas Company.
Starting point is 00:05:43 Honestly, it's like Destiny's going to be there. Lauren Chen's doing stand-up comedy. Luke Kowski's gonna yeah it's gonna be fun yep my austin's always a great time and i want to just give a special shout out to richie jackson who got me this banging shirt yo richie knows my style better than almost anybody i love it so richie your spirit is with me it looks like one of his shirts. It smells good too, Richie. I wonder if he wore it and didn't wash it just so I can smell him. But I like it, Richie. Is there a story to the shirt? Is that from somewhere? No, no.
Starting point is 00:06:11 Maybe Richie. Richie, if there is, Richie knows. It's from New Zealand. Richie Jackson, the Feech. That's F-E-A-T-C-H all over the internet. Check him out. Richie Jackson, one of the greatest skaters on earth. Yeah, awesome dude.
Starting point is 00:06:23 Funny guy. We got Serge pressing the buttons. Yo, I am here i'm wearing merch from uh this famous uh soda you might have heard of it's not he's from my name my name is from the s-e-r-g-e but uh yeah let's get to the show just like a year and a half ago we bought several cases of surge because you can still buy it yeah just order more it's funny i mean i just don't like ordering the super sugary stuff like we have liquid death it's got 30 calories and a tall boy so yeah all right let's Because you can still buy it. Just order more. It's funny. I mean, I just don't like ordering the super sugary stuff. Like we have liquid death. It's got 30 calories and a tall boy.
Starting point is 00:06:48 So yeah. All right. Let's let's let's read the news. Yeah, let's go from SCNR dot com. DOJ will not seek criminal charges against Biden due to his mental limitations. It could be it would be difficult to convince a jury that they should convict him of a serious felony that requires a mental state of willfulness holy crap they are saying that biden is so old and broken he does not have his own force of will anymore i think they did at the very least to be fair you could not convince a reasonable person
Starting point is 00:07:22 that biden has a mental state of willfulness i'm thinking about reagan i think they did this with reagan do you remember ron reagan being like i've got alzheimer's and they're like okay then you can't punish him for all the war crimes he did or whatever he did in the 80s he's like yeah i don't even remember and they're like all right i think reagan was acting i think that maybe they played the alzheimer's thing as an actor to get out of like some of the some of the stuff he'd done i that i've heard that i think his friends use it i mean like get stuff in the in the in the like law actually if if if biden cannot be held accountable because of his diminished mental state he can't be president no you're right so i did see a tweet from jack posobic and he was
Starting point is 00:07:58 like because of the uh the class because of the classified documents we may not get a prosecution but we may get the 25th amendment yeah right and that and that's where we could remove joe biden for b and then wow kamala harris yeah i guess and they were talking about the 25th amendment at the end of trump and people were like they're using it for trump but they were setting this up no no it's like when they announced the uh 25th amendment panel was being created which the 25th amendment says like you can basically remove an incapacitated president so they're going to create this committee and then vote out in congress that would have the ability to make the determination if the president was mentally unfit everyone's like they're going
Starting point is 00:08:32 to do this to get rid of trump and then within like 10 minutes everyone's like actually they're doing this to get rid of by democrats are setting this up to get rid of biden yeah what was the lawsuit they were trying to push forward that they said they can't no this is criminal charges he will not be criminally prosecuted for the crimes he committed let me read in the report it says in his interview with our office mr biden's memory was worse he did not remember when he was vice president forgetting on the first day of the interview when his term ended if it was 2013 when did i stop being vice president? And forgetting on the second day of the interview when his term began. In 2009, am I still vice president? He did not remember even within several years when his son Beau died. And his memory appeared hazy when
Starting point is 00:09:17 describing the Afghanistan debate that was once so important to him. Among other things, he mistakenly said he had a real difference of opinion with general carl eikenberry when in fact eikenberry was an ally who mr biden cited approvingly in his thanksgiving memo to president obama this is the doj being like uh this guy has no force of will like there's he's he's gone i thought you were gonna say eikenberry was a cartoon character that biden used to watch in the 50s. Ike and Barry was the character on the Lots of Barry cereal box. So do you think he's going to make it to the end of the term?
Starting point is 00:09:51 No. Really? You don't think so? I don't. What do you think is going to happen? I don't know. I don't think it could be many things. I did say this back in November.
Starting point is 00:10:02 I did a segment where I was looking at all the news and I was like, Biden will be out. He will be out some way. I have to say, right now, it's hard to believe because it's February and we're so close to the election. I think a reasonable conclusion is, man, if it came down to it and I had to put 10 bucks on he's in or he's out, he's out. I think they're going to have him do some type of sympathetic step down where he's going to be like this corpse figure giving a speech.
Starting point is 00:10:26 I can't do this anymore. It's for the better of the country. And they're going to do that to make him sympathetic to people. Well, he won't make it through that speech. But he won't. You're right. They'll need AI. Every speech, he has a gaffe.
Starting point is 00:10:39 Yes. There isn't a normal one. He's speaking right now, apparently, as well. Oh, we should watch. Should we pull it up? I heard that he was going live at 745 45 yeah he did like some unscheduled speech maybe he's talking about putin i don't know i just seen the chat below saying he's speaking live right now i mean i don't know if i care all that i don't i just love that the people who thought kofeth was like trumping mentally deranged with this one by providing ammunition and material
Starting point is 00:11:03 for them to defend themselves. Coincidentally, that's the time frame when this broke out. I have no proof what I'm about to say, but it's not unreasonable to say that the Hamas understood what was about to take place and wanted to break it up before it happened.
Starting point is 00:11:23 Hey, good timing on our part. He just walks off. Did a hand just emerge to tell him to come this way? Did you guys see the, I think so. What the fuck? Coincidentally. Did you guys see the interview he was doing? Where the reporter goes off script?
Starting point is 00:11:38 And immediately his hand is like, Mr. Biden, Mr. Biden. And he's like, no, no, no, I'm going to do this anyway. Oh, yeah. It was about to take place and wanted to break it up before it happened. I think he's remote controlled. There's a hand. There's a camera. I wish it was a movie or something to laugh at.
Starting point is 00:11:58 Or is it remote control? I guess there is a hand on the camera. What if that is the hand of the real President? When's the last time he took questions like full-blown press conference never never yeah they've always yo he's skipping the superbowl interview which is like a big deal yeah okay i guess the second time he's refused to do an interview like the president does a superbowl interview it's like the a big moment in the country really trump's like i'll do it and they're you know they're not gonna do it trump though you know i'm i i think it's important for history's sake that everyone remember this moment
Starting point is 00:12:27 where you were a moment you'll never forget when the doj said joe biden's mental state had diminished to the point of no longer being a willful human being that is to say this is the day when it was determined by our executive branch, the president was no longer a sentient human being. If someone commits a crime, but they're not mentally aware, you put them in a mental institution. You don't put them in the jail necessarily. You take them to a hospital because they weren't mentally prepared or mentally cognizant. I have a story for you guys. It's a story that I've told maybe twice on this show.
Starting point is 00:13:04 When I was about 14 in my neighborhood on the south side of Chicago, there was a rumor. Don't know the exact details or how it went down, but this is the story that we were told when we were children. That a girl our age had been crossing the street when an elderly man blew the stop sign running her over she was crossing in a crosswalk with a stop sign as an oldsmobile was coming up and she didn't think it mattered because the car would stop but it didn't and it ran her over it was a very old man who was driving and when he hit her he stopped instantly she was now underneath his car not knowing what what he hit. He put it reverse, backing up, crushing her head like a melon, splattering it. That's what we were told, killing her. And that if he had not moved, she would have lived.
Starting point is 00:13:54 The penalty for this was they revoked his license. I mean, what are you going to do? It was an older man. I mean, apparently he was in his 70s or something and is did he commit a crime or is he just incapacitated at this point he should no longer drive due to his diminished mental state so they determined based on this we will remove his license now i don't know the full details i'm sure the story was not 100 that way that's just what we were all hearing everyone was saying because like a girl our age like went to school at the same time i don't know she was died but it was like friends of friends
Starting point is 00:14:27 do we want to wait for that moment with joe biden no not for the commander of the military when he presses the button and then when a city like moscow is wiped out and we are facing down the barrel of all of russia's icbms just says, maybe we should impeach him now. The thing is, the American people have not been privy to a real military loss in my lifetime. They don't understand what it means if your commander slips up, whether intentionally or unintentionally, and causes the death of women. Your wife and your children and your families and your city is burned to the ground because of some mistake.
Starting point is 00:15:08 Immediately, he's removed from power immediately whether it's the president the lead the general in charge they're stripped of command if they do that well people yeah not to make you guys uh think any worse of the guy but apparently he walked off when we were watching him and then he walked back out and then he said that bb was president of Mexico. So wait, what no You may not believe me but that's what I'm getting from chat is that's what he said so and you guys don't believe me though Joe Here we go. I don't believe he walked back out. That's that's what I've been told I mean the stream shut down. Is there some other video on action thing? No, I don't know. That's it Was that the second time he walked off? That's I don't know if there if there's a first one they said that he walked off and came back at some point maybe he walks off after a reporter questions him then he comes back reporters
Starting point is 00:15:50 grilled him about his age his memory apparently that's what i really took questions so well i suppose i'll try to find that on x or something yeah i don't know maybe it's elsewhere but that's what i was told so he won't be charged in classified documents case because he has poor memory oh my god well i don't think you should be charged in that stupid case anyway but not because of poor memory just because why would you charge a an ex vice president for accidentally or for even intentionally maybe so so we have this let's uh let's play the clip from newsmax so i don't know if he came back out here we go something the special counsel said in his report is that one of the reasons you were not charged is because in his description, you are a well-meaning elderly man with a poor memory.
Starting point is 00:16:35 I'm an elderly man and I know what the hell I'm doing. I've been president. I put this country back on its feet. I don't need his recommendation. His lawyer is going, stop, shut up, stop. Is your memory and can you continue as president? My memory is so bad I let you speak. What? That's, that's, that's. No, that's right though. That's, that's juicy. Don't give it, he's going to get you.
Starting point is 00:17:02 If you remember this, you wouldn't let him speak. My memory is fine. My memory. Take a look at what I've done since I've become president. None of you thought I could pass any of the things I got passed. How'd that happen? You know, I guess I just forgot what was going on. At least he took a question.
Starting point is 00:17:19 No, no, listen, listen. Right now, his lawyers are facepalming like, the DOJ just let you walk you went on television said no i'm fine he literally says the doj says they're not going to prosecute you because your memory's no good no my memory's fine you literally just said prosecute me yep right i think they're weaning him off all the uppers so he can melt into a pile of skin before they like sweep him off the stage and then let kamala come in i when they're like your memory is i hear your memory's bad, and he's like, yeah, my memory is so bad.
Starting point is 00:17:47 He's doing the sarcasm thing, which is just indicating that he does believe he has a bad memory. I need to fact check, Serge. He didn't say that Benjamin Netanyahu was the president of Mexico. He said Egyptian president Abdel Fattah el-Sisi, allegedly,
Starting point is 00:18:00 was the president of Mexico. I apologize. I'm sorry. and okay hold you hold on doesn't matter because we have this from the post-millennial justin biden says he will be president for everybody whether you live in a red state or a green state it's incredible my christmas joke ian ian said this as we were pulling the story up he's like he must be talking about christmas still in december and then uh then, I said he was addressing the North Pole. Most people don't know this, but the North Pole,
Starting point is 00:18:28 the jurisdiction by which Santa Claus rules, is actually divided into seven different states with warring political factions between Republicans and the Green Party. Democrats don't exist up there for some reason. And so, whether you're in a red state or a green state, this is not a joke. He said this. Yo, let's
Starting point is 00:18:43 roll. Here we go. When I said, when we pushed all these programs i said i'm gonna be a president for everybody we live in a red state or green state when i gotcha yo i whenever i see stuff like this it just reminds me of um what was it dr strange love riding the atomic bomb down like here we go baby everybody should watch that movie tonight yeah but the upside is tucker's interview with putin actually gives me like putin's not demented at the very least maybe he's got ulterior motives that we don't know about but he's clear he's very he's intelligent but he's a good he's a good guy in every story he tells
Starting point is 00:19:20 can we putin yeah oh yeah can we can we get like seamus to make that joke where it's like joe biden's standing at the stage well my memory is good and you know if you live in a green state i told you and then they're and he starts walking away and then as soon as he as soon as he goes the other room he goes all right what's the next move we're making we made it off they're like mr president the the act worked they're not going to prosecute you because everyone believes you're senile and decrepit he might be doing that true true he might be doing that i do believe i don't know if reagan did that or not i don't know but when someone told me that he might have played up the all-star he's an actor you know reagan was an actor the whole like well i might go to prison for life or if i just kind of play along with the whole
Starting point is 00:19:56 alzheimer thing maybe i'll just get to quietly live out my days right and biden's like yeah maybe i'll just play this character of like yeah. They have to 25th Amendment him at this point. I mean, if they're not going to prosecute him because they're saying he's got a diminished mental state, if they're saying he lacks the will to be able to hold him accountable for his crimes, they've publicly stated he could do anything he wants now. Maybe that's what they want. The Krasensteins love it. They're tweeting about voting for this guy no matter what his mental capacity what today they did one of them did yeah yeah but this is why i say they're evil because when it comes to the lies on the corporate press about elon and x they immediately like they jump in line and say oh the media is lying about
Starting point is 00:20:39 elon and then it comes trump they're like they're telling the truth about him that's right it's like we know who butters your bread the democrats and x you make money on the platform and they and they posted like we only made 400 you know in the past pay period and i'm like yeah so you're desperate to make more exactly they'll they'll just say whatever it is benefits them and if it's the establishment narrative or if it's x they're like it their position makes no sense yeah i like personally i like them a lot it's not i'm not refuting what you guys are saying i don't know but i know they're not really political guys at least according to them they're like dude we feel i feel stuck in politics right now i don't know how to politics i don't care because
Starting point is 00:21:11 they're making money off it but who cares about these two guys individually it's the issue of the left grift yeah like their positions just align wherever the power is for them and they'll take it so yes you have people like them you have many others happy bill maher that joe biden is mentally diminished and won't be prosecuted and they would rather vote for him than donald trump makes no sense it's it's it's a trump derangement syndrome is is going easy on these guys yep they would trump psychosis syndrome or something if trump acted like this they would have been having meltdowns in the streets they would have had it would be all over tv people would be pointing out how slow he is they'd be putting it up against what he was like six years ago and they'd be like look how much
Starting point is 00:21:50 worse he is it would be don't vote for this guy that guy's bad this i wish they would give biden the treatment maybe they would show people i feel bad what if joe biden was speaking in context and the post millennial with this clip, they just, you know, pulled a fast one on us. And Biden was talking about Republican States or States that have legalized
Starting point is 00:22:12 marijuana. Right. And for those that aren't watching this, Tim just read that from a Krasenstein tweet. That's what that was. So he was clearly referencing States with recreational marijuana in the green party. It was the green party.
Starting point is 00:22:23 It was interesting that the green Tucker was pushing Putin on like, well, why don't you just call up Joe? Yeah, that was funny. And Putin didn't seem to think that that would be productive. He laughed. For understandable reasons. But I actually appreciate that kind of question because I feel like world leaders actually don't call each other up a lot.
Starting point is 00:22:42 They have their kind of handlers talk and it's just... Putin was way wrong on this one. He should absolutely... Putin, I'm sorry. He should call him. I watched that interview and I won't get into all of it,
Starting point is 00:22:54 but he missed a lot. He has proven himself to be an ineffective leader. And just for the... I want to save it for the next segment we do because it's a big story. But I just want to say,
Starting point is 00:23:02 in this context, he absolutely should call Joe Biden because then he's going to be like hey joe who's this it's your brother joe oh what do you need 100 billion dollars oh tell me what to wear it wire it to putin okay he can get anything he wants he can come and be like uh you know we should uh get our troops out of ukraine oh whatever whatever you say brother what are you doing calling me from russia with a russian accent he's gonna be like it's how i talk now oh okay just just take the opportunity if he's joke it's joke it's funny joke i think when putin they're like when tucker was like why don't
Starting point is 00:23:40 you just call joe and and work some stuff out so we can avoid world war three putin was like ah it's already taken care of we don't need to worry about it like he seemed like they have people and the americans have people that are already decided we're not gonna have world war three that's what it seemed like it sounded like i like that it seems easier for tucker to interview putin than it is for him to interview biden right like yeah biden's not gonna sit down with tucker they trotted out all the people even hillary last night talked to condemn this interview. He could go to Russia and interview Putin. Western journalists haven't even bothered interviewing Joe Biden.
Starting point is 00:24:11 I think he interviewed on the Weather Channel once. Did he? No, but it's funny because when Tucker said that, he was wrong, but he was right. Okay, like here's the issue. Russia came out and said, Tucker Carlson is incorrect. A lot of people have reached out to us for interviews with Putin, but we just turned them down. But I got to push back on Russia.
Starting point is 00:24:30 The people contacting Vladimir Putin for interviews are not journalists. They're state actors and propagandists and smear merchants. Tucker Carlson may be one of the only journalists who's actually tried to get an interview with Vladimir Putin. So the issue is when Tucker's talking about Western journalists, he's referencing like, you know, Libby Emmons or Stephen Crowder's team or James O'Keefe. Like, why isn't James O'Keefe
Starting point is 00:24:53 trying to interview? Because he's not talking about the New York Times CIA assets or the Daily Beast or Rolling CIA Stone. I'm kidding, by the way. But like, as if anyone thinks these news outlets
Starting point is 00:25:04 are anything but mouthpieces for the state, come on, you're full of it. You can watch James O'Keefe and what I love about how they go after James is that when he was doing these sting operations on Google, they were like, he's far right. And he was like, are you implying that by going after Google
Starting point is 00:25:20 they're far left? I don't understand what your point is. He goes up to these big tech companies and then immediately the media calls him far right for doing so or they claim that he only goes after left left-wing organizations and he's like is is google left wing or are they just a big tech company but they expose themselves when they do this you take a look at um we mentioned this briefly like i don't know if you guys saw this nbc news it advocated for putting higher right chick of libs of tiktok in prison you see this they did a big thread where they were like following several posts by libs of
Starting point is 00:25:50 tiktok bomb threats happened and then on nbc news this lady's like is there a possibility we can hold her accountable for this and the guys well she didn't do the bomb threads but you know that's where they're going with well they would love for stochastic terrorism to become like actual law. Oh, because then it's just anything's interpretable as being illegal. Speak like at that point saying like, I just plain don't like Joe Biden. That's a crime. You know, oh, won't someone rid me of this priest becomes a capital offense. Do you think that leftism in general is inherent to corporate like totalitarian corporate technocracy
Starting point is 00:26:26 like is it just is that a leftist thing the idea of like governing with corporatism no no no corporatism could be left or right uh there's this kind of like the interesting thing about the fascists and uh i should one of the nazis is a better a better way to put it is that it was a pseudo market system. But there was an ideological capture as opposed to communism where you had state capture. So the communists in Russia, they're basically like you will do as you are told you report to us with the Nazis. They were like, how come you weren't producing steel for our effort? You're not a traitor, are you? And then they're, no, no, no, I'll do it.
Starting point is 00:27:06 And it was more like with the Nazis, it was cancel culture. It was fear that you'd be shunned, ostracized or worse as time progressed. And so everyone just fell in line because I mean, Kristallnacht, for instance, like just mass rampage of destruction and targeting of people.
Starting point is 00:27:22 It was fear that you'd be targeted too if you fell out of line. With the communists, they wore uniforms, marched to your house and shot you in the face you know what i mean so they were like right there telling you what they were doing and i will state this too with the caveat i read one academic paper on it talking about the economic structure of nazism and how it was how it permeated through germany so it's probably much more nuanced than that the nazis had like no i mean, they masked like a great revival of their economy basically by building tanks. And they were telling everyone they were building cars. And then they were like, we have no way to make profit on what we're doing, but we're amassing resources to build, build, build, build, build.
Starting point is 00:27:57 Because their whole plan was just to conquer foreign land and then repay their debts through riches conquered. It was just a mess of an economy, and it looked so good on paper. Let's talk about Vladimir Putin. So we have a bunch of stories to break down. The interview Tucker Carlson had with Vladimir Putin is officially up on TuckerCarlson.com. It is a must-watch. There are some dry points, I must admit. The first half an hour
Starting point is 00:28:25 is a history lesson i literally fell asleep forgive me but i'm like i'm falling asleep listen it's like 1826 the ruse the state of ruse and the the baptism and i'm just like this is okay tucker actually caveats the interview in the beginning saying we thought he was pattering for time but there was no time limit to the interview. So he's like, I genuinely believe Putin was expressing his statement that there is a historical claim to Ukraine we have. And I agree with Tucker. And I don't see why anyone in the U.S., anyone in the West, even the government would take a different view than Tucker did. Putin is explaining that historically Ukraine is theirs. That's basically what he's saying. And that shows motivation for this conflict.
Starting point is 00:29:07 But one of the biggest issues that we had mentioned leading up to this interview was whether or not Tucker Carlson would ask about Evan Gershkovich, actually requested that Putin release him into his custody as a sign of good faith to return home. Bravo, Tucker Carlson. Wow. And Putin made the biggest mistake of the night. He said no. He did say a deal could be made. Interestingly, he went on to say that this 30, I believe he's 32. He was caught red-handed with classified information.
Starting point is 00:29:55 And he was under the direction of U.S. agencies. He may be a journalist, but we know who's really pulling the strings. And he was seeking secret government information, confidential classified information, which basically makes him a spy. Now, I'll just say this. The big narrative leading up to this interview was that Tucker Carlson was a mouthpiece for Vladimir Putin. And that Vladimir Putin was going to lie, propagandize to justify his invasion of Ukraine, and not to believe him. The fear was that Tucker Carlson was giving a platform to a war criminal. Imagine how bad it would have been for the Western media and the press when they were forced to report Tucker Carlson returns home with Evan Gershkovich, saving his life from Russian jail.
Starting point is 00:30:40 Vladimir Putin agrees in a good faith effort and returns the American journalist home. Tucker Carlson would have taken the headlines across the board. The interview would become the biggest, bigger than it already is. And it would put everything Putin says on a pedestal. But Putin made that mistake. And he said, you know, what do I get out of it? Well, think about it. Putin should have just said, absolutely, Mr. carlson i want you because then when tucker carlson's plane landed every news outlet in the country would have a reporter waiting at the airport there would be 10 000 cameras tucker tucker tucker what happened evan what's going on and everything then said in the interview would be one thousand fold wow i think putin's a straight up extremely cynical political actor, however.
Starting point is 00:31:25 And if he was able to get for Brittany Griner, he traded Victor Bout for that. I'm reading it was only in December 2022. So Putin knows he could get a lot for this journalist. And I think he knows, and we're going to be seeing more of this around the world. China's going to be doing more of this or has been doing a lot of this too. We're going to be seeing a lot of this happening in Iran, too. But kidnapping and then these rogue, cynical political regimes trying to exchange those for political prisoners that are serving in the U.S. who are actual criminals. I don't believe this Wall Street Journal. Evan Gershkovich, he's only, I think, 32, is any sort of spy.
Starting point is 00:32:03 Journalism is illegal in Russia. So I think I need to commend Tucker Carlson for even asking about this, though. I need to give him credit, especially with all the hype surrounding this interview and leading up to it. I don't know. So again, right after commending Tucker, I do have to say, though, when he did interview Kanye, he did cut out certain portions. I don't know if this is the full interview that he did conduct.
Starting point is 00:32:28 I don't know if in the next couple of weeks we're going to see a leak of other footage go down, but I wasn't able to see all of it. But from what I saw, I think Tucker did a relatively fair job. Did he? He didn't bring up Snowden at all, did he? No, no, I don't think so. I don't think so. That's kind of been under the radar.
Starting point is 00:32:43 Snowden over in Russia. Also, what's her name that accused Joee biden of sexual assault terror read tar read she's in russia i don't want to derail away fled to russia yeah she's there now she just did an interview with uh god who was it was it ivory hacker did an interview with somebody i i can't believe putin didn't just say yeah yeah that would have been truly epic and i don't think he had considered that well he could get so much for it he's on the spot no but but i understand what you're saying that's true 15 goodwill you got the merchant of death for a wnba player i mean it's crazy but just think about i mean in this interview which will and we'll get into this in greater
Starting point is 00:33:19 detail he said that he approached bill clinton about joining nato and that clinton said yeah actually yes but then later that night came back and said you know what we talked about it no it's not going to happen the there were there were key narrative points putin clearly wants to be heard unless you know what to be honest maybe he does not care at all one way or another what the american people think i'd imagine that as the president of a country that is currently at war with the West, he would want to propagandize the West as much as possible to shatter sentiment, any favor towards funding and supporting Ukraine, which is actually just NATO war efforts. And that's how you do it. What value do you get from some Wall Street Journal guys is one dude but you could amplify the power of that interview so you know i think ultimately for the united states it's a good thing putin
Starting point is 00:34:10 misstepped here and didn't do these things when it comes to the propaganda he did say in the war of propaganda it is very hard to defeat the united states they control the media like he knows what he's up against and i also think when it comes to the wall street journal journalist he probably doesn't want to show like weakness you probably probably see it as weakness to give into an interview and say like, I'll release someone just because Tucker Carlson asked. Oh, I disagree. You think so?
Starting point is 00:34:30 Strength. You think it's strength for him to be like, okay, since Tucker brought it up, it'll be good. It'll look good for me publicly to release someone instead of doing on his own volition. Absolutely.
Starting point is 00:34:40 If he's like the good faith, you would say Tucker is enough. It's all. You have come to me to allow me to speak to you and those who follow you to share the views that we have knowing that our countries do not agree for your efforts i will release to you evan gershkovich and i'm telling you like every journalist would have 10 photographers waiting at the airport as the plane is landing all the cameras are going to be filming it from every possible angle. It would have been the biggest story in the world.
Starting point is 00:35:08 To be fair, it probably already is the biggest story, but it would have been substantially larger. And I imagine the worst thing for the West that Tucker Carlson not only shared Putin's narrative, but that Putin showed to be amicable. Imagine coming back and saying and tucker saying they are lying to you about the position of vladimir putin and why he's at war in ukraine they are lying to you about who he is he has even as a sign of good faith released to us this reporter putin's bad at what he does i mean he's really good at a lot of things he does but
Starting point is 00:35:41 this was his massive opportunity i i'm surprised he didn't say yes the backlash to the interview though is like did no one watch the oliver stone stuff it didn't happen that long ago and like you get the same feeling he's a he's a charming intelligent guy whether you like him or not like he's good at interviews i think he rehashed to that he is a russian irredentist and i know it's cliche to say at this point but he does believe that the collapse of the soviet was the biggest geopolitical strategy. And he was a part of the failure and one of the, well, it depends on who you ask. So I do think he's still cynically thinking about these things. He wants as much of Ukraine as he's going to be able to take.
Starting point is 00:36:18 And if there is a ceasefire in Ukraine, I'm sure down the line, he'll be interested in taking another bite of it. And if there's any part of NATO that collapsed with Estonia and Latvia, I'm sure he'd want to take a chunk of those, too, because, again, he sees those as a part of Russia, all of the former USSR. So it's bad and dangerous. And I think we need to be more clear eyed about the threat he poses. But I can also give you one very, very obvious, reasonable reason why he did not release this person. It's very easy for us on the surface to say, look at the political PR opportunity. The other reality is that Evan Gershkovich actually has very serious classified information
Starting point is 00:36:54 in his brain. Oh, that's true. That simply by speaking to the CIA would compromise the security position of Russia. So he will never be released. I see. It is possible, I think, for a journalist to be over there and be a spy. We know they're spies. They've been infiltrated over here for years. You know, it's definitely possible. I don't think they have free speech and a free media in Russia, though. But it's the subliminal,
Starting point is 00:37:16 the liminal, and the superliminal, right? The superliminal being like an American reporter working in Moscow just quite literally reporting whatever is going on, making sure that information comes to the American public that's the that's the aunt in your face then you have people who like maybe at one point worked for an industry or whatever and they're over there and they learn things and they post on social media but the subliminal is like under the
Starting point is 00:37:37 surface one way or another reporting to a u.s agency to deliver information and so you know when we have like uh xinhua or rt or sputnik these are just regular journalists uh to be fair like xinhua they're reporting to the chinese communist party so like there's no really you know there are the spies but their work is above board it's super liminal it's like they're quite literally saying whatever you tell me i'm going to share with china and the chinese communist party but we do have spies probably sneaking across the southern border right now for china and uh we know it's happening so for this to happen i gotta be honest when they announced something like a reporter got arrested my immediate thought is not oh no they've they've arrested an innocent journalist they must be evil my immediate
Starting point is 00:38:22 thought is like interesting i'd need to hear more about this because innocent until proven guilty i i don't i don't trust vladimir putin but at the same time i don't see him creating this kind of problem and pr problem unless it unless it means something yeah the the arrest of gershkov uh gershkovich means that people in the united states are going to be aggressive towards russia and he knows that so there's there's there's there's a reason and uh, uh, I'll say it again, you know, on the surface, I'm saying it was an opportunity to release him. I wonder if Gershkovich actually learned something so serious that he cannot be allowed to speak to, uh, to the Americans or to the West in general. That would be crazy. I mean, I probably, I like the part where Putin says, uh,
Starting point is 00:39:04 Tucker asks who blew up the Nord stream and Putin goes, you did. He goes, Tucker goes, I was busy that day. And then Putin says the CI didn't have an alibi. CIA. CIA.
Starting point is 00:39:16 Yeah. CIA didn't have an alibi. Who else could sink to the bottom of the Baltic sea? This is a, this is an interesting one. This is from the same interview. Putin slams us and bill Clinton for deceiving Russia over NATO membership as he trashes Biden, praises Trump, and warns there's no stopping his supersonic missile system. This is interesting.
Starting point is 00:39:36 Putin says that Bill Clinton offered Russia a place in NATO, but was overruled by his staff. So basically what happens is Putin was like, look, in the 90s, I meet with Bill Clinton and there's pictures of it. Tucker posts a picture. He includes pictures in the interview. And I said, look, if Russia wants to join NATO, would that be possible? And Bill Clinton said, I think so. Yeah. And then comes back later that night for dinner or whatever. I think that's what he said. And Clinton says, you know, we talked about it. It's not going to happen. Putin said the reason was the U.S. applies pressure on all the NATO member states and they vote the way the U.S. wants. Having a nation as powerful as Russia, as large, would mean that U.S. influence would be compromised to a certain
Starting point is 00:40:17 degree within NATO. I'll say outright, that is Vladimir Putin's propaganda on this. Look, I'll tell you, first and foremost, obviously, the U.S. exerts the most influence over NATO, especially when we're footing all the bills. But also, his reason for why he got kicked out of the club, I'm not going to take it at 100%. I think there's some truth to it, but he's giving you the I'm always the good guy narrative yeah i mean in terms of the nordstrom stuff did you see the this was a while back but the new york times had a headline that was like it's better that we don't get the truth that's better that we don't know that that headline was the creepiest one it's new york times um oh you're looking for the recent stuff yeah but it's just bizarre i mean biden just point blank said that we did it basically he told tucker carlson ukraine war can be over in a few weeks
Starting point is 00:41:15 also there's no stopping elon musk very interesting oh yeah the the the the ukraine war stuff with putin is exactly what everyone already heard. And I got to be honest, I was saying this. I don't think we're going to hear things from Putin that we haven't already heard. There were a few things, but even Putin said several times, these are not new statements. What happened with Ukraine? Very obvious. Putin said, we never agreed to allow NATO to expand against our borders.
Starting point is 00:41:42 They started doing it anyway. We kept saying, please stop, please stop. They started doing it anyway. We kept saying, please stop, please stop. They kept doing it. They kept building bases and we said, please stop. And they said, don't worry, it will. And they kept doing it anyway. And then he said the CIA staged a coup in Ukraine with Yanukovych, which led them to the position they're in now. And it was interesting. He said happened was this is this is why they don't want you to hear this interview that's why they didn't want tucker to do it ukraine was in a free trade agreement with russia that allowed open border customs they could ship goods in and out when nato and the eu began knocking on the door of ukraine russia said this will flood our market if ukraine gets similar access into europe all of that labor
Starting point is 00:42:27 and products and services will enter ukraine and then with an open border on our side for open customs border we then have to deal with a flood to our market so we told them if you do this we close our border yanukovych the time president of ukraine had to make a decision how much money is to be gained or lost due to these agreements? And we've actually talked about this quite a bit. I was in Ukraine when this was all going down, when the Maidan protests erupted. And the issue was that Yanukovych was trying to figure out whose side to take. Russia was making them an offer.
Starting point is 00:42:59 European Union was making them an offer. In these big cities like Kiev and closer to the West, they were very EU favorite, like they wanted to be in the EU because access to the EU not only meant more money, but it meant eventually Schengen zone, which is free travel. A Ukrainian could then do what many people in Poland were doing, go to the UK and get a job. And all of a sudden you're making more money bad for people in in the UK. He didn't like what was going on with this. But a lot of people from Eastern Europe would move to Western Europe where the economy was better. So Yanukovych had to make the decision.
Starting point is 00:43:30 And when it didn't look like he was going to make the right decision, Vladimir Putin's making the accusation. The CIA staged a coup to oust him. People stormed his house, his mansion, started going through his belongings. Like, there were vice journalists walking through his house. Totally crazy. He fled to Russia over this. He says that was it. Like they staged a coup and now here we are. And then one thing led to another. The U.S. says they're going to support the opposition against him. And he's like, why? That means we're going to build missiles and opposition to you. And then he's like, we've got, you know, the best missiles and you can't stop us.
Starting point is 00:44:00 And here we are. I will say, say though for what purpose maybe elijah wants chairman of this one is the u.s involved and at this point it is i would say 100 confirmed beyond a reasonable doubt to any sane human being the united states is at war with russia for what purpose should we be engaged in this i mean i'm not saying you do have an opinion on it i'm curious your thoughts i don't like to call it uh i don't like to say that we're at war with russia because we don't have boots on the ground um fighting russians except there have been reports that there are some special forces but i still think that those are relatively ambiguous but on paper we're supposed to not have troops on the ground in ukraine right now right now we are just arming
Starting point is 00:44:44 the ukrainians to be able to fight back against the Russians that invaded them. The argument to continue supporting the Ukrainians is that if Ukraine falls, Putin will continue trying to push westward, as the Russians have been doing for centuries, and they'll eventually brush up against a NATO ally of ours. And if they do that, no, brush up and be ambitious enough to try to invade one of our NATO allies. More borderland with Russia allows for more risk of that conflict escalating. But NATO did that. NATO inducting Eastern European states into NATO put NATO on Russia's border. I think it's like, yes, in some areas.
Starting point is 00:45:20 It's also like a chicken before the egg problem because Russia says that, hey this is what's triggering us and uh heightening tensions between us but these countries want to join because russia is aggressive towards them um so like a chicken before the egg thing i do think if estonia if if the united states loses the political will to continue having to continue having nato be a thing if nato ever dissolved there's no reason for putin not to continue having nato be a thing if nato ever dissolved there's no reason for putin not to continue to push westward definitely latvia estonia um and as far as he could get why back into world war ii because he's a russian-era dentist because he believes that all those countries are a part of russia like just to say he believes ukraine is and he and you know within his lifetime within putin's lifetime those things were true that this was a part of the ussr yeah that's that's a great point actually because putin literally lifetime those things were true that this was a part of the ussr yeah that's that's
Starting point is 00:46:05 a great point actually because putin literally opens the interview by saying historically and this is a fact kiev was the capital of russia and then after he he breaks down in the first half an hour of the tucker interview how the states broke apart and this resulted in the the states of like russ or whatever he said coalescing around moscow this thus the capital moved and it tucker even says right in the beginning putin's position seems to be there is a historical claim to ukraine as a part of russia yeah and if that's true for ukraine i agree why would not it be true for the other uh i think we liberated um those countries um during i mean during the world war ii and then um by forcing the dissolution of
Starting point is 00:46:47 the soviet union we were able to liberate the eastern european countries from communism and i think that's something we should be proud of i'm curious what everyone thinks about this for me that our maybe 40 minutes of a long build through history that putin gives for me leads up to this like denazification thing he talks about and uh is that something we buy does you think he really believes in that do you buy that in good faith when he says he's denazifying ukraine do you like i don't i don't know i know there's azov that we got to worry about there's clearly something going on and we also know he brings up the canadian parliament applauding the nazi uh with with zelensky i say yes but when i when when I buy a dilapidated old house,
Starting point is 00:47:27 and someone says, why are you buying it? Well, I got to get rid of the roaches that are inside of it. Is that the real reason that I bought the house? No. Do I really want to get rid of the roaches? Yes, but the real reason I bought the house is to clean it up, take it over, make a profit, and the reason I'm getting the roaches is to that benefit.
Starting point is 00:47:43 So, of course, he wants to get rid of the Nazis and the Azov and those who have held those views because Soviets fought the Nazis. They were enemies. But it's just like, you know, he wants the house. It's dangerous too because there's no limiting principle because I'm looking forward to hearing about the Finnish Nazis and the Nazis in Estonia
Starting point is 00:48:01 and the Nazis in Latvia. What about the Nazis here? That's the crazy side of my brain when i hear putin say that and then you asking a lot about why are we at war with them i'm like well operation paperclip because we got nazis in the government still who want to fight uh russia and take it back you know but maybe that's crazy cue the cut scene five years later and it's like a bunch of a bunch of russian ships soaring into the shores of california and florida and we're like oh oh, no, it happened.
Starting point is 00:48:26 Why didn't we believe Joe Biden? Hologram Hitler standing on the shore. And this is all a huge issue. And I mean, maybe we go back to Joe Biden. But I think the Americans really deserve competent leadership up top one way or another. I know we disagree geopolitically, but we deserve somebody who at least seems like they are actively making the decision with some sort of direction in mind. We're not only having conflicts right now in Russia, Ukraine's taking the backseat, but we just drone-striked Hezbollah's branch in Iraq. We just killed some militia leaders there. We had three of our service people killed in Jordan not
Starting point is 00:48:59 too long ago. Also, I believe two of our special forces were killed somewhere in the red sea on a mission to try to prevent more arms going to yemen from um iran so you said a word i don't really understand what is competence how does that work is that something that the government can do is that can instill in people yeah i mean like if you put a smart sounding individual in front of me instead of joe biden who just seems like like kind of blabbering and ridiculous but i hate to say a ron desantis like figure that's no endorsement i don't particularly like him but ron desantis generally sounds like he knows what he's talking about he sounds like he has some direction only after only before and after running for president that's right during i i i i honestly i can't think of um a worse example no no like the
Starting point is 00:49:48 santa is better than biden obviously but in terms of a good salesman in government who actually can pitch something and make it sound believable obama was that and right now i don't know i couldn't i don't know if i can name somebody is there is there someone in politics who could really convince you of something well vivek could if that's true he's honest about that could convince me of one thing that he's a cynical politician trying to sell me something like in my opinion i agree with you dude i like he's he'll hear something that's popular in my opinion i i as i interpret it um whatever wind uh direction he sees the political winds blowing he'll hop right on board and what triggered me the most about that was this january 6th flip-flop yes um but i'm with you i think we need to be more cautious about very cynical political actors i
Starting point is 00:50:28 don't know if it was a full flip-flop though i mean i think it's possible on january 6th to see that it was kind of like not a cool scene but also not think that it was an insurrection like it's possible to have both of those cried about it i i think i don't i don't i don't believe it i don't trust him i really don't i think he says a lot of things i really agree with uh so i because you want to hear that because he wants to win you over and i'm cynical but like yeah i don't think they got if he runs again if he doesn't do like a rumble podcast deal he won't be the same as a vacant 28 that i think he is i think he had a good opportunity to run as like the trump number two while trump was uh we we need a competent leader that's gonna be honest with people and be like
Starting point is 00:51:06 we're creating a new world order this liberal economic order the time is done of american dominance military dominance we're creating something new so let's get on board the u.s constitution is legit and we're gonna force this thing on the world that's part of our bargain of yes we'll go along not gonna be strong but we'll be extra strong yeah we're gonna be free we're gonna we're gonna peacefully allow for this transfer to a new global ordinance, but we're going to make sure that free speech is at the center. I want to jump to the next story, but I do
Starting point is 00:51:32 got to give a shout out to this one segment Cassandra McDonald posted. LMAO Putin called out Tucker Carlson for wanting to join the CIA. Let's play it. Trump's opposition committed a coup in Kiev. What is that supposed to mean? Who do you think you are?
Starting point is 00:51:48 I wanted to ask the US leadership. With the backing of whom? With the backing of CIA, of course. The organization you wanted to join back in the day, as I understand. We should thank God they didn't let you in. It's dropping by surprise. It was actually sped up and then slowed down. Was Tucker looking at going to the CIA?
Starting point is 00:52:14 Joining the CIA? Yes. It is a serious organization. I understand. My former vis-a-vis in the sense that I served in the first main directorate. Yeah, he was KGB. I like that part.
Starting point is 00:52:24 He's trying to be very, very good. And shout out to Tucker Carlson for keeping that in there. And, you know, is there any other coverage of that? Or is he kind of like exposing that? That he wanted to be in the CIA? I think everybody knows. Yeah. But let's let's jump to this.
Starting point is 00:52:38 This is big news today. The Supreme Court heard oral arguments over the issue of Donald Trump being removed from the ballot under the 14th Amendment, Section 3. the supreme court heard oral arguments over the issue of donald trump being removed from the ballot on the under under the 14th amendment section 3 did you guys listen to the oral arguments uh not all of it but like half yeah holy crap the democrat lawyer was getting spanked by all of them and many are suggesting it was so bad it might be a unanimous supreme court ruling no you can't remove donald trump what the are you thinking it was wild hearing katanji brown be like i mean she's the leftist woke justice and she was like it doesn't say president it it's not in there and he's like
Starting point is 00:53:17 she's getting angry and he's like but we think the president's office and she's like the president appoints officers it's not in there gorsuch said the president commissions all officers it's in the constitution how is he an officer himself he didn't appoint himself yo it was it was absolutely wild and uh basically there uh it it it broke down amazingly let me actually just read uh give you some context from the ap and then we'll talk a bit about it they said the supreme court seems poised to reject attempts to kick off donald. A definitive ruling for Trump, the leading Republican candidate for president, would largely end efforts in Colorado, Maine, and elsewhere to prevent his name from appearing on the ballot. The justices could act quickly,
Starting point is 00:53:55 possibly by Super Tuesday. Conservative and liberal just as a light question during arguments to Thursday whether Trump can be disqualified from being president again because of his efforts to undo the 2020 election. Their main concern was whether Congress must act before states can invoke a constitutional provision that was adopted after the Civil War to prevent former officeholders who engaged in insurrection from holding office again. There also were questions about whether the president is covered by the provision. Now, here's what's interesting. There's a lot of things that were brought up in this hearing the arguments that I didn't know. So under the United States is a statement in the 14th Amendment that, you know, you can't hold office under the United States or
Starting point is 00:54:33 something like that. And Trump's lawyers argued the presidency is not an office under the United States or an officer under the United States. Senators are officers of the Senate. And the reason why that matters is because the impeachment clause and the emoluments clause, that if the Supreme Court were to determine that the presidency was covered by this, it would also mean the president is able to enrich himself through the office of the presidency being exempt from the emoluments clause. So he, so the lawyer was like, you need to understand what this statement means. And your ruling pertains to many other areas of the Constitution. So more importantly, the president is not covered in the 14th Amendment.
Starting point is 00:55:16 And one thing Trump's lawyer said was, don't you think they would have explicitly put the president in there if they thought it was the most pressing office to bar for an insurrectionist? I think my argument as to why the framers of the 14th did not do that is really simple. The reason why you can't be a senator or congressman or hold any other officer or be an appointed officer is because the other states, the North, did not have say in those appointments or positions or elections. So if you are South Carolina, Civil War ends, then South Carolina says, okay, this guy was an insurrectionist who fought against the United States. Let's send him to vote on that. So we don't need to lock out someone from being president because we can choose through the electoral college and through our system whether or not the president will be an insurrectionist. In fact, the 14th Amendment actually says Congress can by
Starting point is 00:56:13 two-thirds vote override this restriction. So it's actually really simple. If New York gets a vote in who is being sent to the federal government then they're fine with it if they don't you are barred therefore it's actually really simple the other issue oh man this was wild gorsuch was just steamrolling the democrats it was a spanking dude it was an absolute spanking this guy was like when you when the as soon as an office holder commits insurrection they are instantly disqualified. And so he's like, OK, what would compel then a lesser officer of the United States to follow the orders of this person?
Starting point is 00:56:53 He had no answer, none whatsoever. Imagine what that means. He was the Democrats are arguing that on January 6, Donald Trump waged insurrection against the United States and for the next 14 days should not have been president and no one should have followed his orders. So what would happen in a circumstance where their view would be upheld? Someone goes it was this was actually asked. I think Alito may have asked this. So when Joe Biden released the funds to Iran, he waged insurrection against the United States, and now nobody should follow his orders ever again. That's what they're saying.
Starting point is 00:57:28 If the Democrats have their way, it is instant civil war. I don't know about civil war, no, no, no, but I mean it. The idea would be the moment any actor in the government believes within their own person that a president engaged in an insurrection against the United States, they are duty-bound constitutionally to defy all orders legal or otherwise because they have disqualified themselves from office that is the stupidest thing i have ever heard that's the democrat position on why trump should be removed and the justices were like are you insane and not literally saying that but gorsuch was just like if you don't have an answer, that's fine. And the guy was muttering and didn't have anything to say to it. I'm no legal expert, so I won't speak to the legalese involved here.
Starting point is 00:58:11 But the strategy among some Democrats to try to disqualify Trump through legal means might actually be a threat to democracy. And if Trump supporters were as threatening and violent as they often imply, that I think this would be a more dangerous trigger moment for somebody who is leading, is the presumptive Republican nominee, former president at this point, just something extremely dangerous over something as ambiguous as trying to call what happened on January 6th, an insurrection, completely outrageous, dangerous. And I mean, I hate to adopt their their language but an actual threat to democracy as people in our country understand that was the one thing i was worried about while i was listening to i think it was about an hour in i was like uh are we not going to talk about what insurrection means
Starting point is 00:58:53 are we not going to define that word they're calling out other words i'm like because i'm like the death of language right yeah we're all just going to adopt insurrection now in this argument but then at a certain point i think it was after an hour they were like well uh insurrection is a organized violent effort yeah and then i might have been jackson who was like well there's a chaotic one could also do it maybe it was someone else but and then he goes it's a riot that's a riot right oh they did break it down a little bit i'm done playing this game you are mentally deficient if you think january 6th was an insurrection insurrection referred to civil war taking up arms standing on a borderline
Starting point is 00:59:26 and shooting at union officers. Okay. They're not talking about a bunch of unarmed people knocking over barricades and breaking windows. Right. That's just, it's just, I'm, I'm, I'm done with the, with the manipulation. I remember everyone, you know, in, in the immediate aftermath of, uh, J six happening saying, happening saying well he trump used the word fight i'm like so is every other president or candidate ever you know i thought of teddy roosevelt the man in the arena he talks about having blood on your face but doing politics you know it's like people use these words you're just using it as you know evidence of your narrative fear-mongering of trying to dress this up is something that it wasn't um is evident there
Starting point is 01:00:04 was none of the actual political machinery of some sort of coup or insurrection happening in the background. We actually spoke to the acting secretary of defense on this show. I think it was a little bit over a year ago who said, obviously, none of that was happening in the background. All of these people would have been necessary to do any sort of coup. Obviously, none of that happened. None of his cabinet was on board. Mike Pence didn't try to pull anything, although Trump of his cabinet was on board mike pence didn't try to pull anything um although trump might have tried to get him to pence didn't right there was
Starting point is 01:00:30 no other electors found found in georgia or what have you so well now that we're talking about actual civil war should we bring up our uh our second guest oh yeah oh yeah i bring it over sure i guess this thing's gonna seven seven Civil War flag or is it? Yeah. We have an actual Civil War flag. It is gigantic too. Don't drop it on bogus. Look at this.
Starting point is 01:00:52 Bogus is sleeping on the bubble wrap. Bill Altman. I like that. It's in a coffin. Yeah. Laid to rest. That's a good metaphor for the country right now. It's in the shot as much as we can, as much as we can get it right now.
Starting point is 01:01:03 So this is a, this is an actual flag, 13-star U.S. naval flag used in the Civil War in battle. So this is from Terrence and Sabina Ducat, who are investors in Scanner. And so this is a 13-star U u.s naval flag for the brig rival likely an english blockade runner captured during the civil war so it was on a ship wow um and what's the value of it a lot i don't know we need to say a number but it's like it's a historical relic yeah i mean you can so can i wear it We're going to have to mount it and hopefully we can get in the new studio.
Starting point is 01:01:47 It's shot to shit. It might be too big. It might be, but maybe we can have it vertical. It's because... I think it would touch the ground. Five by 11. You don't want to do that.
Starting point is 01:01:57 Five feet by 11 feet? Five by 11. Five by 11? Five by 11. That's not so bad. It can't go vertical, though, but 11 feet wide? Gotta make it happen.
Starting point is 01:02:06 You could drip it from the wall. I think we could. It would be great to be in the studio. Professionally mounted? Do we gotta frame it? It just needs to be sewn onto a mounting fabric
Starting point is 01:02:22 and then it can be hung. I think we should frame it. We should give it a glass case. Keep it safe. That would be better, probably. Non-reflective. Let's see if we can figure out how to get a custom large glass frame. It's going to be very expensive to make a 5x11 glass frame, but
Starting point is 01:02:36 absolutely must be done for something as incredible as this. And then we can have it in the new studio mounted on the wall. You said it's been shot up, too? This flag took bullets? I mean, so, check out the, uh, I don't know if you can zoom in on that, Serge. No. No. We do not have that. It's riddled with bullet holes.
Starting point is 01:02:53 You can see the bullet holes. Or, you know, I don't know necessarily that they're bullet holes. It has holes all throughout it. 170-year-old flag. Focus. It's a beautiful flag. Shout out. American flag. It smells smells good it smells like probably the museum that it had been kept in i'm not sure i felt like a soldier driving down here dude it's like it's like falling it's almost like falling apart when you touch it
Starting point is 01:03:15 but it's worth touching get your fingers on it before it gets framed if you haven't yet i would not recommend just finger it very lightly oh Whoa. One little dip. Put your index finger on there and understand what they want to do. Yeah. Respect it. Treat it properly. Don't finger the flag. You know, don't finger the flag. Don't finger the flag, ladies and gentlemen.
Starting point is 01:03:34 God, that thing's beautiful, man. It is amazing. Who was it that donated that? It's on loan to Timcast from Terrence Komen, who is an investor of scanner. Also mine's at Terrence. Nice job there. If they're okay with us getting a custom made glass. Oh yeah.
Starting point is 01:03:50 That's what they would love. Okay. But then perfect. We'll do it. I imagine that would be like a hefty penny, but yeah, it'll be at least. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:03:57 Yeah. Done. No question. And we could maybe get a little card. This is like on loan from Terrence and then like a link to their thing or something, you know, whatever.
Starting point is 01:04:09 That's really cool, man. That's amazing. Wow. wow that's things yeah so what was the civil war about again why did we fight the civil war some dudes wanted like iron or something well according to nikki haley it was because states wanted their freedom the government was just not okay with it what was the civil war about was it money cotton controlling the economics of the South? It was slavery. British Virginia trade? Depends on how you ask the question. Why was the Civil War fought? Is a very different question from what caused the Civil War. What caused the Civil War? Slavery, the expansion of slavery, and the contention between free states and slave states,
Starting point is 01:04:40 which had resulted in bleeding Kansas, widespread fighting that had been happening predominantly in the Kansas territory, but also in other parts of the country and ultimately led to an election where Abraham Lincoln, what didn't receive a single vote in seven, I believe seven states, or actually I don't think he received a single vote in any of the states that eventually went on to secede.
Starting point is 01:04:58 So I think it was 11, but why did they fight the South fought because they were invaded. Yeah. Oh yeah. They called it my favorite civil war writer. And he said that the north thought they were fighting the civil war and the south thought they were fighting the second like american revolution they called the best book which book oh well just i think it's called the civil war it's a whole series that i think he spent maybe 20 years writing uh some he wrote fiction about the civil war and also non-fiction
Starting point is 01:05:21 and she'll look up his interviews he's no longer with us but an amazing writer i know they call it the war of northern aggression right a lot of people in the south refer to it as well it's like in the putin interview he said that in russia they refer to world war ii as a great patriotic war um i think okay it feels a little bit different like i don't want people in the south being taught that it's a war of northern aggression because well that's not well what shelby foot meant was that there were people in the south who might have not had slaves and they just saw like marauders in their homes burning things down like uh with the total war from sherman yeah but they were fighting for the right they were fighting to live but they were fighting to survive uh sherman doing you know total war but that's not saying everyone in the south but there were definitely people like i spent a year
Starting point is 01:06:03 in georgia where uh where Sherman kind of went through. And sometimes it wasn't Sherman's people pretending to be with Sherman to go maraud and take over farmland. And those people started fighting. I'd like to. There's a lot of people in the chat who are saying it was a states rights versus federal issue. I strongly recommend you guys like read some academic papers and read the letters from many of the generals. I had a great time. Went to Jackson's, I think I went to two of his houses.
Starting point is 01:06:30 One of them was crazy. They had a musket in the kitchen. This is what I love about Second Amendment. They have a musket in the kitchen for shooting critters. So, like, anyone could just grab it off the wall, open the back door, and then wait for a rabbit or something or a beaver or who knows and just bang! A gopher. And then you throw it in the stew.
Starting point is 01:06:46 And you're just like, it came in my backyard. It is mine. And the gun was just there. But yeah, we went to their houses. I read their letters, learned about their wives. And certainly it is a very complicated issue with many different views. But while the general view most people would give you is it was fought over slavery, it absolutely was not fought over slavery it was caused by the issue of slavery which like bleeding kansas existed before there
Starting point is 01:07:11 was a question of states rights people were murdering each other in in the kansas territory john brown was blasting people in the face you like johannes christian had wasn't even an american and he came here to try as an abolitionist slavery uh was was dissolving in other parts of the of the world as an institution and so it could not be an issue of states rights when bleeding kansas was happening seven years up to the lead was leading up to the civil war some argue bleeding kansas actually is the civil war and we just view the civil war as like because it was when this when the government actually became actively involved but bleeding kansas gnarly seven years of bloody conflict and
Starting point is 01:07:50 bloodshed abolitionists and pro-slavery forces were fighting in various territories over whether or not they would be slave states or free states the slave holding states believed that with abraham lincoln's election he would not only stop the expansion of slavery he would get rid of it and i believe lincoln's position was no no you can you can keep it we just won't have it in any Abraham Lincoln's election, he would not only stop the expansion of slavery, he would get rid of it. And I believe Lincoln's position was, no, no, you can keep it. We just won't have it in any new territories. So they were just like, nah, we're not going anywhere near anybody who opposes this. There were four candidates running. One guy, I love this. He was just like, I'm not going to talk about slavery at all. And so nobody cared for him. One guy was like, more slavery. One guy was like, completely get rid of slavery.
Starting point is 01:08:25 Abraham Lincoln was supposedly like the compromise candidate where he was saying, you can keep it, but no more. As soon as he got elected, seven states said, this is it. We're going to secede. Before he even got inaugurated, the session started. And that's, so what ends up in the fighting over the Civil War is the North invaded the South. Yeah. This is, and i don't want to be an apologist for war and i don't want to but i just want to give nuance to both sides of
Starting point is 01:08:50 that war and i'm talking about georgia in particular with the confederates there were these were people who whose fathers were invaded by britain and their houses were burnt down not necessarily slaveholders uh and then they saw as a second like american revolution because then they were invaded by that they saw the north as a as an invasion but then you know there's people on the on the north in sherman's army during the march of the sea who you know weren't also angels they were killing freed slaves uh who were following them just because they didn't want to be followed anymore so that's not to say every person who fought in the confederacy owned slaves or five percent of the u.s population yeah but they were fighting on behalf of a government who was fighting
Starting point is 01:09:31 for the ability for you to still have them i would still say not which is and their constitution not all yeah but what how they interpreted it yeah so although they're defending the right to you know so not slave owners directly, but still defending that. However, and I'm sure they were propagandized in different ways. Yeah. No, leave different things. No, almost no. And I read this in I watched this in several documentaries, but I read this in a couple of different academic papers.
Starting point is 01:09:58 The idea is it's reasonable to assess that no Confederate soldier fought for the right to own slaves as none of them did. It was only a very small portion of wealthy plantation and factory owners who did. The soldiers were not mobilized under the view that slavery must be defended. They were mobilized under the view that Union soldiers were rampaging through their state and threatening their families. If it were the issue that the Union did not invade, it is likely that they would not have been able to mobilize a military military force to fight the union because the the average young man at the time was not going to go to war to defend some rich guys slaves well the south if the south doesn't secede then the north doesn't invade and we wouldn't let any part of the country and
Starting point is 01:10:41 secede right now right but so this is my point the the fighting of the war was over for the North, the secession of the South, and whether they had the right to do it. So fair point to those saying it was states' rights to secede versus the federal, versus the Union. But that is why the North was fighting. You have no right to secede. Ulysses S. Grant said, you have a right to try. But if you lose, we own you, basically. And it's a brilliant assessment of the issue pertaining to the revolution and how we won and the Civil War and how they lost.
Starting point is 01:11:08 He basically was he was basically saying the Americans, the colonists at the time, this is 80 years prior. So not even that long for them. It's kind of wild, right? He's like, they decided they shouldn't be ruled by the crown. They fought. They won. Congratulations.
Starting point is 01:11:21 The Confederates feel like they shouldn't be a part of the union anymore. They fought. They lost. We own it. That's who you're being ruled by now. But so I think it's important to break down this distinction because when everyone says, what was the cause of the civil war? I think slavery is an absolutely fair assessment. Like this led to the great contention in politics. Why was the civil war fought is an entirely different question. The union demanded the right to the states.
Starting point is 01:11:45 The southern states said no. And why? And that's actually I would say, why was there? Why did the Civil War begin is states rights versus the federal issue? And why was the war fought? And that is an invasion from the north, like plain, plain and simple. If the Union forces decided to let the south secede there's no war none secession is not war so what started this what started the war
Starting point is 01:12:10 the northern invasion like i mean there you go they decided like you do not have a right to secede so mr ottman it sort of begs the question uh did you bring this union jack flag to this former confederate that is not a union jack all right um the union jack is the british flag what it what was the just the union flag yankee flag yankee flag is the yankee flag yeah do you bring this yank flag to this former confederate state just to mog on him a bit i think west virginia was the first state to leave the confederacy i could be wrong you can well look it up so they were it was i believe that west virginia is like statehood done dirty, man. That's right.
Starting point is 01:12:46 Did you also know, tidbit, West Virginia's original proposed name was Kanawha. Oh, that's cool. Sounds like a Native American word. Yeah, Kanawha River, I believe it is, just like Illinois or- Ohio. Right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Nice words.
Starting point is 01:12:57 I believe most of the Midwestern states are, right? What do you mean done dirty? What do you mean? West Virginia was formed through a vote should we break away from virginia and stay with the union it's really easy to win a loyalist vote when the young men are forced to go off and fight a war for virginia to defend the state and once all of the men had left to fight in the war, those that remained voted to fracture off the state from Virginia and join the union. And when the young men returned after the war and were like, this is Virginia, the Supreme Court ruled.
Starting point is 01:13:33 No, it's not. Virginia, it's actually a big Supreme Court case that happened just after the Civil War. Virginia argued that the war is over. Virginia must be retained as whole and they said nope so it's pretty wild the thing virginia would have been huge it was huge it was massive west virginia is huge and virginia huge on i'm glad it happened but oh me too i mean it's done dirty but west virginia is based and virginia is not so based i love it here we need more states more the barrier but it is fascinating to be here like guys if
Starting point is 01:14:05 you come out here you will you walk 10 feet and there's like a placard with a picture talking about the civil war and what happened we drive up the road like 10 miles and antietam is right here and the cannons are are there memorialized and there's like a bunch of different plaques explaining what happened man it's crazy 40 minutes. Gettysburg's 40 minutes away. I know a local grave digger, and he's always just like, yeah, I go to church with him. And he's like, I found more Civil War bones. You know, he's always finding from the battlefield surgeries.
Starting point is 01:14:33 We got a Civil War bayonet. Oh, nice. And Shane, you're convinced on the ghosts. On the ghosts? Well, I think landscapes can be haunted by mass trauma. Yeah, they call that phantom DNA. Yeah, it's in there. The photons bind to DNA, and then when the it's in there the photons bind to dna
Starting point is 01:14:45 and then when the dna is removed the photons stay there for a while i don't know about the photons but think of all the blood spill on this on this land i mean in all these towns near where we're at they were all turned into hospitals to saw limbs off men right there's churches where like yeah the wood here is still stained from blood you know and what book can we read about that oh that's inverted world volume two isn't it wild that like if they just knew to pour whiskey on some guys like if they take take the bullet out pour water on it and then pour whiskey into it you might be okay like here's some leeches and some whiskey just what they would drink the whiskey while getting the amputation like bro just clean it they didn't they didn't know it's wild
Starting point is 01:15:24 wash your hands was what like 1907 or something people didn't wash their and that's like i love the story of when they were like discovering germs and the doctors like perhaps just wash it was because women were dying in childbirth or whatever and he was like maybe if we wash our hands before that's crazy what are you talking about like and then they did and then like women started dying less i'm i was, it might be the Kings and generals YouTube channel. There's a few channels where they do like historical battle document. Nice. And one of the civil war.
Starting point is 01:15:52 I don't think it was. No, no. It's like, like a map and it'll show like the general's faces as the troops move around on the map. And they'll tell you like from the South stonewall, Jackson came in and split his troops off general,
Starting point is 01:16:03 this guy and this guy, but Sherman or whoever. And it became very real real like things started to seem like they were my friends and i was picturing them outside running through these hills and it's like just with that's something i walked away from that inverted world book that i wrote when i was in georgia is like even those battles are so contested amongst historians i saw two men almost get into a fist fight in a historic uh like museum because they were disagreeing on whether or not Confederates, and I'm sorry, Loyalists, this is a revolution, were on horses or not.
Starting point is 01:16:32 And they got so mad and they couldn't even agree on that. And you look at all these documents, they don't even- Dude, Gettysburg is awesome. Oh, it's crazy. I really recommend anybody ever get a chance because they got awesome food. They've got chocolate shops. They got souvenirs everywhere. You can buy cannonballs there's so much like civil war refuse still everywhere to be found
Starting point is 01:16:50 it's kind of nuts and then when we drove up there because it's like seriously 40 minutes away there's like just reenactors everywhere like every road you're driving down there's like guys in in cotton like costume that's kind of weird i don't understand why you'd want to do that, but I love the history. It's huge. I mean, I grew up in West Point. I grew up around reenactors. Dude, we went to, it's really crazy.
Starting point is 01:17:13 I can't remember where we were. I think, were you with us when we went to that aquarium? Yeah. And we watched the story of the ironclad? Yes. That was awesome. North Carolina or something?
Starting point is 01:17:22 Yeah. Yeah. And I don't remember exactly where it was, but they were talking, yeah, I think it was north carolina the ironclad and its invention was like insane the confederates were going house to house and and confiscating farm tools to make iron for ironclads yeah because these ironclads were like basically indestructible steamships that could go up up river and down river and could deflect cannon fire and there's a crazy story where uh and the people listening might know the story better than me
Starting point is 01:17:51 uh we were watching this this video that was like you know show and there was like sounds and you can see the lights it was like an aquarium and uh they talked about it i guess it's like an artificial reef or something but anyway this union guy as their their ship is approaching the and they're fighting it's having no effect he just like instructs them to keep firing and then runs up someone didn't do it and then he like pulls the cord over to fire the cannon and someone yells no the cannonball hits the ironclad bounces in the air lands back on the ship blowing him up yeah dude the ironclads it was amazing dude war is nuts the union was they call them sherman neckties you guys know about those they would to stop the flow of you know food and ammo
Starting point is 01:18:30 on the railroads they would burn the train tracks and then wrap them off the ground and around trees those are called sherman neckties whoa like they would take the they would rip them the metal after heating them up so much so they could then move them. Wow. So the trains would just go off and crash. Yeah, they couldn't even stop. Dude, Sherman was just like a psychopath. Sherman was our first atom bomb. We sent him to the South to blow it up. And he didn't care.
Starting point is 01:18:55 He didn't care. He killed freed slaves. He was nuts. He was torching farms. He was just, I think it was, it's not the first, but for like American history, it is the advent of scorched earth policy. Yeah, and he learned it at west point where all the generals in the civil war were he was like i'm going to show you how it's really done william to come to sherman william
Starting point is 01:19:11 to come to sherman they named the tank after him the sherman tank that's right for the record that channel is called history marsh uh m-a-r-c-h-e the video i was looking at was called chancellorville i don't know if you guys know chancellorsville i've never been there before robert e lee's greatest battle ro Robert E. Lee apparently was just a brilliant, brilliant guy fighting for his home state of Virginia. Also went to West Point. He was friends with a lot of the other generals in the
Starting point is 01:19:34 Union. They knew each other and stuff. It was unbelievable. And they fought together in what the Mexican-American War. I believe, yeah. Yeah, they're all boys. I mean, Jefferson Davis went to West Point. All of them. Except for Lincoln. Yeah. Lincoln was just some outsider. he was a boxer in illinois right uh boxer lawyer yeah yeah tall lanky guy yep and then uh he was not he was a staunch racist uh everyone was he wanted to send all black people back to liberia was it liberia i'm pretty sure that's what they did right
Starting point is 01:20:02 there are many stories of brothers fighting against each other oh yeah yeah yeah it was so but but then this is the beautiful thing i mean west point they started the association of grads i believe that's what it's called after the war to be like all right we all fought and killed you know each other but let's get let's be brothers again and so it's a it's pretty amazing so uh liberia which is in west uh west africa started in the 19th century between 1822 and 1861 15 000 freed and freeborn african-americans along with 3198 afro-caribbeans relocated to liberia gradually developing an americo-liberian identity the settlers carried their culture and tradition with them. Liberia declared independence July 26, 1847, which the U.S. did not recognize until 1862.
Starting point is 01:20:48 But I believe they also had like Americanized like a constitution and policy and things like that. I think they had like a southern culture, too, where they had slaves and slave owners, too, if I'm not mistaken. Yeah, they had they adopted what the plantation system in the south and then just projected it onto their new homes we like this human slavery thing that's been going on for the since the beginning of time no it's it's it's really effed up because um it was really also all they knew it was the only economic system they knew it was the you know they were former they were emancipated slaves and um the crate i don't know they they did the evil that was done onto them onto others but uh but you know you know people need to understand too a lot of people don't realize this
Starting point is 01:21:28 the north was super racist yeah just abject racism and you know how it's really easy to understand segregation continued in all of these places until the end of the 50s or whatever until the civil rights act even like 60s 60s yeah So this idea that these abolitionists were like, we oppose racism, it's like, no, they were very racist. Well, I'm sure the John Brown types were not segregationists, but... You know what people also don't understand, too?
Starting point is 01:21:53 Like, people really need to read this. There were slaves that got paid. One of the things that happens is everybody sees these movies and these stories where it's a plantation where a guy's being beaten, which happened, is horrifying, is really bad, and it it was a lot of slavery but there were also slaves who worked in homes there were slave to slaves who worked in shops and there were slaves who received pay and there were slaves who bought their own freedom with the money that they earned working
Starting point is 01:22:16 as a slave and i think it's important that people understand the nuances and the context around a lot of this because then you'll understand how it was possible you know like i read about frederick douglas and i read about these other uh other freed slaves and it's like they bought their slavery or they bought their freedom and i'm like wait what and then i'm like oh interesting the system was not the movie system people think it was it is actually much more complicated and nuanced albeit the whole thing in my view completely wrong and i think uh everyone's kind of realized that around the world except for maybe north africa i mean it goes to show how long it takes for ideology to change i mean and it's going to take you know another 50 100 years for a lot of the modern inverted racism to go away like it's really
Starting point is 01:23:01 embedded it's all the democrats are putting getting getting CPR to racism as hard as they can. Maybe, but time is more about motion and the ability for information to travel. So with the internet... Speeding up. Yeah, data transfers so quickly that it can metamorphize ideologies rapidly. That's very true. For good or evil.
Starting point is 01:23:21 It's a matter of making people comfortable and manipulating them casually, I think. There are people who experience segregation still alive today i don't know that's yeah that's wild it's called vaccine passports but they're uh i i black and white segregation i've seen passport stuff was wrong but black and white i know but i do think we may i actually i say this i i don't know if we're tending towards an end of gender segregation that's what the gender ideologues have pushed for using the same argument for uh that that was used
Starting point is 01:23:50 against racial segregation considering uh you know shane gill is hosting snl this weekend certainly think the woke are losing so i'm not so sure that will happen but uh a bunch of the left have made the argument that gender segregation is no different than racial segregation and there's no argument for it especially when the 1964 civil Rights Act forbids discrimination on the basis of sex. So there was a case in California where some guy sued the like women in computing club. He's like a university had a club for women in computing. It's not fair. I should be allowed to join.
Starting point is 01:24:19 You're discriminating against me. And the courts ruled there's a club that men can join. So it's not discriminatory. If there is a club you can join, they're not they're not saying you can't be in a club. This can join so it's not discriminatory if there's a club you can join they're not they're not saying you can't be in a club this one's just for women that one's for men by the way well that's an interesting real quick that that that argument uh lends itself to segregation if there's two bathrooms and one's for white people ones are black people then you're not being discriminated against but we've already said no to that so this
Starting point is 01:24:43 case in california seems question uh questionable which resulted in leftists now arguing you cannot create two bathrooms for two protected categories that is discrimination under the law period and so now we're at the point where legally they're correct absolutely if the 1964 civil rights act says you cannot discriminate in the base of sex or race and we've determined that bathrooms based on race are discrimination, then it follows that sex bathrooms also are. But we also have a common sense and moral line where we're like men and women are different. Males and females are different. That's why we do this, to which the left has now countered the argument saying that used to be the position of the segregationists that black and white people
Starting point is 01:25:25 were different and so it was for safety reasons they had different spaces they're trying to use the exact same arguments many conservatives and libertarians have pointed out the 1964 civil rights act has created the path to wokeness to create things where like dudes are going in girls bathrooms do you buy that it's on the same level um i do think men and women's bathroom is equal to segregation but i support that type of segregation i don't like yeah we are segregating people by gender right no but not gender but like with you know say say it was only a a black area at a college i don't think we should have that um i think it's okay to segregate by genders i don't think right do you think do you think that that new modern race segregation at schools is on the same level as historic
Starting point is 01:26:10 yes uh wait wait ask that one more time yeah wait what i'm saying you know if there was like what brett weinstein you're saying like when they do these poc only rooms it's the same segregation i'm saying do you i'm asking if you think it's the same level of segregation as it was traditional no way no i think this is but and it was when it was institutionalized in every facet where like you couldn't go into a certain store or whatever that's a higher degree of segregation okay so you so you think that it's lesser it's a fact you're asking a fact-based question. If there's 100 universities that have within their university system one instance where they've created a black-only space, that is factually less than the entirety of the country having segregation as a standardized policy. I'm with you, Elad.
Starting point is 01:26:59 I think that segregating based on sex is very different than racial segregation we've made it a dirty word but uh i think we're actually when we're actually talking about here isn't a bad thing um that go on uh what can you determine about someone based on the color of their skin like nothing almost nothing almost some genetic ancestry the reason let's let's expand this though because a lot of people are like oh come on no no like seriously like a dude from somalia and a dude from haiti are different people they have a dark skin tone but they're going to be very different that somalis are shorter than haitians who are taller so what's your determination skin color is not a good metric for for any kind of segregation you can't you can't even really determine someone's ethnic background or what part of
Starting point is 01:27:40 the world they come from based on the color of their skin they're like i went to egypt i thought it was egyptian i'm not i go to spain they thought they thought i was hispanic i go to mexico they think i'm mexican they can't tell so how someone looks isn't a good determining factor however males and females globally everywhere period are different and so that i get that lady from The View recently found out she's not as Puerto Rican. Oh, man. That was so funny. Look, look, look. Let's do this.
Starting point is 01:28:08 Sunny. The View's Sunny Hostin. Shocked to find she's descended from Spanish slaveholders. Wait, is this one of those weird ones? Like, people can also be descendants of slaves if their ancestors were raped by their slave owners. And, like. Well, of course.
Starting point is 01:28:24 I just wanted to make let's see your reaction wow i'm i'm i'm a little bit in shock i i just always thought of myself as puerto rican you know half puerto rican i didn't think i was uh my family was originally from spain and slaveholders yeah so how are you, my friend? I just, I think it's actually pretty interesting that my husband and I have shared roots. Yeah. So I do appreciate that. Because you married a slave owner. And I think it's great for our children.
Starting point is 01:28:57 Descendant. To know this information. Who was it? There was a big story where it was like another view person. They found out they were a descendant of slave owners and all the people a lot of people on the right were like ha ha ha and i'm like oh bro that means like the slave owner raped their slave come on yeah that's probably what it means so uh we were i was we were hanging out with uh some dude some guy today uh we were hanging out with um matt from base records good dude and uh i don't know if
Starting point is 01:29:22 he wanted me to tell the story or not but i'll say his name because he made he made the point but um i've made this this statement to a lot of people before when you know it comes up to my ethnic background and being part korean i'm like well well i'm uh you know i'm part korean but a little bit japanese like you know my mom's 40 korean 10 japanese everyone goes because you know what that means yeah that does that that's some crazy it's not a romeo and juliet japanese guy being like i don't care what my family thinks i love you i love you too it's more like burn the house down and take the women kind of thing you know what i mean that still causes tensions in south korea and japan to this day oh dude they're both yeah the south koreans are are totally ethno-supremacists. Yeah. Well, many people in those countries.
Starting point is 01:30:07 But I mean, like, South Koreans, the younger generation is moving away from it, but they are very ethno-supremacists. There's a famous clip now from, I think it's called Bad Friends, with Andrew Santino and Bobby Lee, right? And then he's like saying, oh, Koreans never did slavery or whatever. And they fact check him. It turns out Koreans had slavery for like over a thousand years. No, but they... Bobby Lee constantly talks about how racist they are. I know.
Starting point is 01:30:32 Yeah, of course. But he's just pointing out the fact that that's the reality. It's that racism has been around way longer. And slavery has been around way longer than just suddenly in the 1800s in the US. And everyone always gets that wrong. They're also a very patriarchal society. Extremely. Extremely. Extremely, yeah.
Starting point is 01:30:45 Very, very patriarchal. Koreans? Koreans, yeah. Yeah, they're mostly Korean supremacists. They believe that they are the best superior race on the planet, and they have no problem telling you that. And they're like, oh, of course.
Starting point is 01:30:57 They call it the Korean nobi system, which is commonly associated with slavery and social hierarchy in pre-modern Korea. And for people, the japanese and koreans who should be allies geopolitically right now especially considering what's going on with china still beef with one another right over um the conflict the actions of the imperial army yes so-called who they still revere over in japan but we don't need a shit on our allies now when i went to uh south korea i went to this museum where i learned about a great general a naval general and it was really hilarious because uh it each like room you walk through depicted a great
Starting point is 01:31:30 victory but the funny thing i noticed was every great victory the size of the navy was getting smaller and so it's like in the first one there's these big fleets and it's like the great general routed the japanese and forced their ships off and i was like wow i walk in the next room and it's like facing insurmountable odds. He was able to drive back Japanese forces with a small force. And I was like, interesting. And then finally in the end,
Starting point is 01:31:52 it's like him and like a small handful of guys. And I was like, you mean to tell me like he was losing the whole time. Right. It's a nice way of putting it. Right. Yeah. But they like highlight the great stories
Starting point is 01:32:00 of his successes, like fair point, but it was an attrition. So yeah, sometimes a retreat can be what you call successful if the enemy loses more than you lose in the retreat that's a successful retreat we have um where was this in uh in new jersey i think there's the um i forgot the name of the park is but they've got the story of i think it's mercer i can't remember the guy's name this dude who was like surrounded by the british and then he just like told him to kill him he would never like betray the country there's cannons everywhere and it's like we're
Starting point is 01:32:29 washing across the delaware or something it's fun to go to these places growing up in chicago we didn't have any of this right it doesn't exist it's like you just live in chicago but then you move out to the east coast and it's just like these plaques everywhere talking about the war out here it's really crazy because we're like five minutes from john brown raid hq where john brown organized the harper's ferry raid like harper's ferry is literally here down the street and uh what is it what's going on it's the his house is the only house i ever thought should have a black lives matter sign outside of it yeah right that one actually makes sense but he he tried to trigger a slave revolt and they wouldn't do it yeah right that one actually makes sense but he tried to trigger a slave revolt and they wouldn't do it yeah yeah they were like nah get out of here first man hung by the state for treason treason it was you for yeah I feel like
Starting point is 01:33:11 he was first job around ban him from the ballot what's funny is the local casino this is kind of wild the local casino has their $25 chips at Charlestown has John Brown some of them have john brown on it and i'm like it's kind of wild because like depending on who wins the war the most vile and despicable people will be heralded as heroes sherman sherman sherman's just another version of brown but on a larger scale uh well no brown brown was definitely a terrorist although he might have been fighting for things that were morally right um and i think it's a dangerous person to idolize because i mean there are a lot of people who believe passionately some political things right
Starting point is 01:33:57 now and shouldn't justify oh yeah violence to try to achieve those ends but that's what john brown did and i think some leftists especially ideal um idolize him and yep yeah but in a misleading way john brown very dangerous but they would see him as far right today because i don't know he's a christian okay super christian that's why he was against slavery you know like but they wouldn't care like they wouldn't agree with putin do you think john brown would support gay marriage no no absolutely not. He'd do a lot of bad things about all these things happening. Yo, Sherman, though. That guy was just
Starting point is 01:34:30 like, wanton disregard for human life. I think you could argue that Sherman was trying to end the conflict quicker via his brutal means to save more American lives. I think he wanted an excuse to murder and destroy. I think you're at war with somebody.
Starting point is 01:34:47 Yeah. And I mean, you're trying to end the war within your own country. I think that's war crimes. When you're in charge of killing all these people. He killed innocent people, freed slaves. He killed people on the sidelines and the periphery of the war. It wasn't just he was going after the Confederates. They just burned everything we could go through individual instances but like i think war is terrible and war is terrible like he was
Starting point is 01:35:12 trying to end the war but we should avoid war crimes like do you think we should have dropped the atom bomb uh yeah yeah definitely i don't know if i agree with that either and i see this too is the same thing as desperate reasons to end a war no i think imperial japan kind of gets a like looking back they get a good rep they were literally the nazis they were insane yeah they were insane so um and this is at a point where we we were in total war uh with june over with japan yeah um it's over until it's not how many hundreds of thousands of american troops lives are worth trying to invade the homeland where the Japanese were trying to say they're going to fight until every last life? I also think it's really easy for us looking back to go, oh, well, maybe, you know, maybe you actually should have just invaded, would have been the largest amphibious assault on the mainland ever. How, you know, it's easy to—
Starting point is 01:36:01 I agree with looking back with 20-20 vision, or you have, you know, 20-20 vision. But I also—the war crimes and the instant lives lost. But the definition was different. Is there any war where there aren't any war crimes, though? I feel like we can say that every time for every side. I'm sure the Confederates committed war crimes. I'm too lazy to look into them specifically. What were considered war crimes back then?
Starting point is 01:36:21 Well, you could look at the... Were the Geneva Conventions, yeah. Did they have... Geneva. There were no war crimes back then? Were the Geneva Conventions yet? Did they have? There were no war crimes back then. There's still ethically and morally war crimes. I'm spacing right now. Who had Anderson Prison? Was that the north or the south? Was that the north or the south?
Starting point is 01:36:34 That movie is so good. That's my favorite Civil War movie. That was insane. It's kind of like a Unit 731 in Japan without all the modern technology. Except for like the human vivisection and like experimentation. Right. There was no, they weren't dry freezing hands and shattering them, but it was so horrific.
Starting point is 01:36:52 Also, they had literal slaves in the South. Yeah. Right. Right. I still don't agree with everything Sherman did. And I don't agree with dropping the bomb. Oh, totally. And every war has horrible things.
Starting point is 01:37:03 I mean, not that totally for the second part. You don't have to agree with every, I don't know anybody you know and every war i mean not that totally for the second part you don't have to agree with every i don't know anybody who i could agree with everything they did they did but um i think you could say sherman helped end the war sooner than it would have otherwise i feel like it's the same argument i'm using for japan actually you know what i don't i don't think i think if the context of the civil war happened today, I'm not so convinced the North would be able to win. I think the South would be crazy. I think the issue is the speed of communications. I think that if video started emerging, like the psychological effect of video and information would have such a dramatic change. the march to the sea i don't know could happen in an urban environment today because the moment
Starting point is 01:37:45 the internet like the uh the north and south were competing for international supplies they needed trade the south i think what they were trading cotton with uh with the uk that's where that that flag came from british boat a british boat yeah they see so so uh the north blockaded the south try and cut their supplies, what would happen internationally if videos emerged of, let's just say in the, like literally 1861, but with internet video,
Starting point is 01:38:12 videos emerge of civilians being shot in cold blood by Union soldiers. International, like relations for the North would shatter. And they'd say, no, no, no, no,
Starting point is 01:38:23 we did not supply and we don't condone that because they would face revolts in their own countries over the supplying of work over the facilitating of war crimes it would cause them a lot of problems is that new 824 movie out yet no no tim i think you think that'll be accurate because i think there would be people there could be clear video of war crimes happening of whatever civil war would happen there would still be people denying it there would people be blaming the other side oh they killed their own people i'm just thinking about the october 7th attack and the amount of gas lighting that will exist even if
Starting point is 01:38:53 there was footage of people being slaughtered and killed obviously people who are civilians people don't care and we're disgusting wrongs you're right to a certain degree but the october 7th attack has resulted in the left shattering and the the you've got michael rapaport this was his turn he hates trump all of a sudden he's wearing a star of david and he says what the is wrong with these people that's opened a door for him to start exploring more about what they're doing and now he's like the cops are being beaten when people when people realize black lives matter was celebrating these paragliders, I mean, look, I got no beef with someone criticizing Israel's military actions. It's a war.
Starting point is 01:39:30 Okay, by all means, please criticize people's military actions. It should be done. And there is a risk to Israel in that a lot of this propaganda is being supported by the left. But man, what Hammas did really really messed them messed up uh the progressive left in this country sherman's march to the sea was absolutely brutal i mean it is historically canon he was destroying civilian targets and killing civilians did not care it was scorched earth everything must burn what on that scale you know uh the problem with the confederates one of the reasons they lost they thought all they had to do was prove they had the military might and the fighting
Starting point is 01:40:10 would stop they did not realize the union was going to burn their children and burn homes to the ground to win this and not that i'm a fan of you know the what what the confederacy would have implemented it's a good thing they lost but holy crap i'm not a fan of dropping nuclear bombs on japan but at the first battle of bull run they repel the the union and they're like that's it the war is over there's not going to be a war we just proved that they can't come in here and then they came in and started just brutalizing the south this mobilized the south fearing feeling they were being invaded and then eventually a turn happened where um i forgot which general might have been i don't know jackson they felt that uh the only way to actually win this was to invade the north and put pressure on the north to stop supporting this war civilians in the north
Starting point is 01:40:54 need to understand what the war was and it was an opportunity opportunity for them to seize resources unfortunately they moved into gettysburg didn't go too well for the confederates but i imagine what would happen if the international community was watching something akin to the March to the Sea. It is hard enough for U.S. troops dealing with IEDs and strapping, like they strap bombs to kids. And then you end up with American soldiers being placed into a military tribunal or whatever, or court-martialed because of the perception of what they did, not what they had to do to defend themselves there's no way i could see union soldiers in many of these circumstances being able to defend the actions if they were blasted out on the internet around the world and that would cause problems for the union's ability
Starting point is 01:41:36 to supply itself that being said they had a lot of resources in and of themselves i don't know that you know what would have happened if they didn't have international support. But I'm sure you're... Anyway, we should go to Super Chats because we went a little over here. So we'll go to Super Chats. Nice Civil War chat inspired by the flag. That was good fun. Yeah. Smash that like button.
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Starting point is 01:42:06 here we go my nipple says pee pee poo poo yeah i will read your super chat thank you agreed token black guy says tim pool you have been called you are the mayor west virginia needs time to take the mantle the mayor of where charlestown i don't want to be a mayor not interested i think it was because i was saying like if i was ever like if i got elected president or governor trump you ain't seen nothing with trump like vivek no way dude i would i would i would not just go to my ag and be like can we get criminal charges i would go on television i would do a live stream and issue a statement about the the requirement for this nation and the reasons why certain individuals must be criminally charged would go on television i would do a live stream and issue a statement about the the requirement
Starting point is 01:42:45 for this nation and the reasons why certain individuals must be criminally charged must face an investigation and a trial by a jury of their peers and i would formally declare like it must be done now i give it to those in the executive branch with the authority to make those positions happen but mark you know let my intentions be clear to the american people certain people in this country must be criminally charged they're like like joe biden the barisma stuff it is it is absurd and they use this documents case as the shield he's not going to be criminally charged because he's a doddering old fool and you know they're really saying he'll never face charges over barisma nah if if i was i was saying like if i was the governor of West Virginia,
Starting point is 01:43:26 I would do a public assessment or a public statement where I'd say law enforcement of the state of West Virginia must immediately begin the process of a raid on CBP facilities in the eastern panhandle and I have already called
Starting point is 01:43:41 to the extent that I can, the Attorney General and our prosecutors to seek out warrants from judges allowing state forces to raid that facility for evidence of human trafficking and smuggling operations they have engaged in. Let them panic. And people might say, but then you're informing them you're doing it. Oh, yes, that's the point. And then if they don't do it, I'll say, hey, I made my declaration. I did what I could do. I don't expect it to be dictatorial that everyone just does when I
Starting point is 01:44:05 bang a gavel. I expect them to go through the legal process and go to a judge and make the argument, but I want to make sure everybody knows. You got this big CBP facility. You got CBP agents out here. They know the show, and I'm like, there's videos of them working with cartels. It's
Starting point is 01:44:20 mind-blowing to see the cartels bring these people up and they're armed. CBP is like, howdy, and they open the gate and bring them in. I'm disgusted by that. Anyway. Rate Area 51 and Wright-Patterson
Starting point is 01:44:33 while you're at it, please. I mean, I feel like depending on the public and apparent crimes that need to be held to account, I don't know that Area 51 has those. And I respect the right of the U.S. military to have secrets. Depending on those secrets, we can't just, like, announce to the world our military capabilities, our security be compromised.
Starting point is 01:44:55 But, you know, let's read more. Jennifer Lopinto says, I want to shout out my husband, Sean, who has largely been an influence in my recovery from leftist ideology. He loves this show and so do i this is the way shout out sean that's that's the way you know husbands like the spell s-e-a-n or s-h-a-w-n s-e-a-n nice dude it's a healthy marriage that's right ian kinney says it blows my mind that i live in wisconsin and never heard about the chippewa falls school until last night chippewa falls is on the other side of the state from me, closer to the Minnesota border.
Starting point is 01:45:25 That's where that shooting almost took place. Raymond G. Stanley Jr. says, oh no, guys, I watched the Tucker v. Putin interview. MSM was right. I'm now a Putin puppet, and I want to work with Russia to undermine our democracy. Oh no. Oh, geez. Watch out. Don't do those memes. You might get in trouble for something. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:45:44 Stinky Man says, would you buy Bud Light if during the Super Bowl, Dylan came out and said, 365 of drinking Bud Light. I've grown a beard and work out daily. I built a deck without permits. I have chickens. I heard they're doing a Super Bowl ad. And it's the stupidest thing I've ever seen. Oh, it's already out?
Starting point is 01:46:01 Yeah. I mean, it's stupid. They release Super Bowl ads for the Super Bowl now. They do. That is stupid. But, yo, the commercial, you can watch it and you're going to be like already out? Yeah, I mean, it's stupid. They release Super Bowl ads for the Super Bowl now. They do. That is stupid. But, yo, the commercial, like, you can watch it, and you're going to be like, what? Yeah.
Starting point is 01:46:09 It's just nothing. It's the weirdest. It's not even funny. Like, I talk about the Quiznos subs, where those stupid rat things are like, we love to eat sandwiches or whatever, and, like, everyone remembers it. This one is not memorable at all.
Starting point is 01:46:23 It's just, like, the stupidest random commercial i can't believe they tried doing this during the super bowl we broke the company guys we they're they're broke fow says elad you're a mad lad my lad take my money dad really love your reporting style followed you all through the summer of love i appreciate you dude thanks for the super chat guys uh follow us at timcast news on twitter We do a lot of great field reporting and other journalists here doing a great job. Also, the SCNR YouTube channel has all your videos up on it. So if you go to SCNR on YouTube, subscribe, you can watch Elad's reporting. One of my favorites is you running after the person in the golf cart.
Starting point is 01:46:58 Was that like a year or two ago? Russell Fry while he was running. Yeah, North Carolina. Great video. Yeah. Thank you so much oh man you're the best third eye says yo tim please read i haven't laughed so hard in a long time the babylon b just dropped the funniest article i've ever read biden calls for the president to step down very nice
Starting point is 01:47:18 knowing their track record that could become true venom symbiont says did anyone else see the horrible tucker carlson deep fake bitcoin ad Knowing their track record, that could become true. Venom Symbian says, did anyone else see the horrible Tucker Carlson deep fake Bitcoin ad? It popped up for me during the show. Sketchy. Whoa, that means YouTube's running it. I've been seeing Mr. Beast deep AI ads
Starting point is 01:47:36 on like Instagram and stuff. They did it with Joe Rogan a while ago. Yep. There was a fake ad. Yeah. Yeah, what was that? It was like a testosterone thing to make your dick bigger. And it was an AI of Joe Rogan.
Starting point is 01:47:48 It sounded really weird. He was like, well, the thing is about this, it makes you big. And then the guy was like, that's right. And I'm like, yo, this is so fake. It's the most classic scam. Make it bigger? Come on, guys. Hey, man, people spend money on anything.
Starting point is 01:48:04 Let's go. what do we got here jason hudgenson says if he's too old to be held to account he's too old to be president this is very dumb what are we doing that's right what should the age limit be i don't know about age limit or yeah just aptitude uh you know maybe there should be yeah maybe it should be 35 to 60 to argue to the other side of it it's anti-democratic you get you get left with what you pick we're picking these older people the democrats pick joe biden then why have a lower limit well no we shouldn't have a lower limit either and so like democratic five year old i mean they wouldn't have a good caucus nobody would want to vote for them but yeah five
Starting point is 01:48:40 year old i i actually fear fake presidents that we're going to come to the point where everyone's going to be watching the news and there's going to be a guy who makes arguments and says all these things and he's going to be ai generated and not real but no one knows because everyone just sees him in these videos just like all the boyfriends and girlfriends right now i'm going to take bucko downstairs so i wanted to say hello and goodbye for everyone you guys match a little bit yeah yeah you you match. Yeah, they do match. Let's go, Bocas. I'll be back.
Starting point is 01:49:07 Mr. Bocas, seeing his way out. He came up here before the show, and he jumped on the table, and he just laid in front of me with his, like, just flat. Not a good sign. So, you know, we let him stick around. But it's just impossible to know what to do because he's on all these drugs, and the drugs do cause problems, but they alleviate, alleviate some problems as well. We got him stem cells. And so
Starting point is 01:49:30 I'm like, what if we got him stem cells and they're working, but the drugs he's on is actually inhibiting his potential recovery. What do we do? And so it's just like, stay the course, I guess. But he got real sick the other day, collapsed, pissed himself, didn't, couldn't move. So I've been giving him raw beef, which I don't know is the right thing to do, but I have two thoughts on it. One is, you know, if he's about to die, and he was supposed to die a year ago, little man gets to have his last meal, and it's going to be what he wants.
Starting point is 01:49:54 Yeah, he enjoys that the most? He goes nuts for it. There it is. So I give him a little bit. But I'm also hoping that, I've read a bunch of studies about raw meat diets for animals. I'm hoping that it is beneficial to him in some way raw raw meat diets for animals i'm hoping that it is beneficial to him in some way as a very low phosphorus meat maybe this actually can get him what he needs and i doubt it but i'm also kind of like dude is on his last days quality quality of
Starting point is 01:50:17 life it matters i don't know do you said that a year ago and he's still going i didn't want to bring that up every time i come here it's always the last day. Yeah, but he weighs nothing now. Like last year, he was sick and they said he was going to live for a week. We got him a bunch of drugs. We got him hydration therapy. We got him on stem cells
Starting point is 01:50:33 and he stabilized, but he is slowly withering away. So when we see him collapse, piss himself, and then struggle to move, we're like, he might've died right there on the spot. So it's
Starting point is 01:50:45 kind of like that's the worst we've seen it and then when he came up here and jumped on the table and the way he laid down it looked like he was struggling to move like he was just burned out he's losing weight can't wait and we're like we got to figure out how to put weight on him but if he can't because his kidneys are busted what can you do you know every day is a blessing it's brutal because every time everyone comes here, they're like, oh, is he old? And I'm like, no, he's five. He just has a heart problem, a heart defect,
Starting point is 01:51:09 genetic heart defect and underdeveloped kidneys. There's nothing we could do. We were going to get him a kidney transplant, but because of his heart, we can't. They do this thing where you adopt a cat that's to be put down and they share the kidneys and you have to adopt both cats. So you save both their lives.
Starting point is 01:51:26 And so we were like, can we do this? they said mr bogus will die if you give him a kidney transplant because of his heart he can't take it we're like damn yeah we did the right thing he's eating heavily right now he went right for the food nice that's good he hungered that's good all right thinker for life says did we forget obama poked the bear during Sochi Olympics? Let's see. What is it? Gays didn't like the Russian law that forbids gay influence of children. So Obama sent our top advocate, Billie Jean King.
Starting point is 01:51:54 Really? Yeah, Sochi is wild. The Olympics are wild because the reports are that they all just bang each other nonstop. Have you guys read that? In the villages, yeah. And then they make the Olympic babies because they're supposed to be studs so the olympics are like athletic eugenics well i'm into school university but you put that word on it that'll make anything sound yeah but i went to school university of utah and that's like where they had like the the o2 uh solid city games there's like the whole the whole uh athlete village or
Starting point is 01:52:21 whatever is basically where like the dorms are and yeah i've heard a lot of stories about that from the little staff over there so tazewell says why does ian look like a character from balder's gate three tonight because richie jackson gave me this clothed me a lot of myself but uh richie jackson gave me the outfit and he is a bard or i guess he would be is richie a bard is richie more of a rogue than a bard he's kind of like a i don't know he's not a kid you carry a rapier around if he was in Baldur's Gate. Enguarde! I think bard. Richie?
Starting point is 01:52:50 Yeah. He's an athlete. He's not really a musician. He looks like a bard. Bards have school of swords or college of swords or whatever it's called. Like a non-musical bard. No, he's a musical guy. He's super musical.
Starting point is 01:53:02 He loves music. He can tell you everything about rock and roll. He knows all of it. Only Richie. Only Richie loves music. He can tell you everything about rock and roll. I guess he knows all of it. Only Richie. Only Richie will tell. You can ask him the most obscure rock question. He'll have the answer for you. Definitely a bard.
Starting point is 01:53:12 Let's go. OMG Puppy says, Releasing a spy wouldn't get Putin anything. Western press wouldn't reward him. It wouldn't faze the neocons or lessen their obsession with destroying Russia. No, but it could press public support in a negative position, and that's what they're desperately trying to
Starting point is 01:53:26 avoid that's what they're scared of that being said i think the evidence here is this dude evans got information that putin's scared of what i don't understand about that though is why they don't trade him and then putin just scoop up another american journalist or another american in russia so big fat irving says russia has evan gershkovich ukraine has gonzalo lira why is one reporter more important than the other uh gonzalo there may be dead i believe it was his father who said that he was uh he had died so right it is funny that in the in the united states they don't care at all about gonzalo lira so sorry evan your machine the machine here hates you for what you are frontline texan says tim
Starting point is 01:54:06 i'm curious what makes you believe the media would report if tucker succeeded in bringing him back and if they did it's not likely that they would spin it as tucker is a russian puppet and it was staged they could i'm saying it would amplify the tucker story no matter what good or bad it would make it the biggest thing in the country. The rescuing of an American journalist. Tucker already has the eyeballs on him. Now you add in the rescuing of a journalist. Good on Tucker for asking. Not that it didn't work, but good luck.
Starting point is 01:54:36 All right. Stephen Scrazes, Ian Crossland started working out, found Jesus, and then realized that America actually should impose righteous, lawful, and proper rule upon the world. This happened tonight. Jesus is pretty cool. I worked out earlier today.
Starting point is 01:54:50 And yes, American constitutionalism is legitimate. Ian's been calling for neocon policy now for a long time. I just think we need to inspire people to do it for themselves. I don't think walking around being like, do my thing, that has not worked. And I don't imagine would. But when people have had enough and they're like, what they have is better. I want what they have. And they're looking at me and our country.
Starting point is 01:55:10 Then we'll see them have their own decentralized revolution. Eric Ellman says for preserving the flag. Yes. And Devin Porter said, Tim, I'm a mill millwork drafter. I work for a company that builds casework. I can draw a case for that flag. So like a case with like a glass front so it's on display. Oh, nice.
Starting point is 01:55:30 Because if that's the case, what's the best way to get in touch? Is he able to like DM you or something or message you on Twitter? Yeah. This is a guy. Yeah. Hit me up on Twitter. Send me a DM. Or admin at scanner.com.
Starting point is 01:55:41 Yeah. You'll get it. So Devin Porter, if you heard that, admin at SCNR, right? SCNR.com. Yeah, you'll get it. So Devin Porter, if you heard that, admin at SCNR, SCNR, right? SCNR.com or hit up Ian on Twitter and we'll get to work on that display case.
Starting point is 01:55:51 Yeah, you're probably better going with Bill since you know. We should all, I will also get one if you can. We have a Civil War Union musket.
Starting point is 01:55:59 It's never been fired, not even dry fired and I would love to get a case for that and put it like on display too. It's right over there. It's just been sitting against the wall yeah actual union uh there's like 10,000 of them they made them had him sitting around never used them wow yep super cool heavy yeah
Starting point is 01:56:16 they're crazy rifle the musket crazy stuff it was cool we go antiquing yo if you're in west virginia antiquing dude there's an antique shop full of nazi paraphernalia it's crazy martin malice would love that so uh where is it it's um it's in the it's in the eastern panhandle there's just so many antique shops but there's this one that is where is it it's close to martinsburg south of martinsburg i don't know exactly which one it is but there's like it's their malls basically so people will set up a portion and they pay rent to have their space but one guy's got a whole bunch of world war ii stuff so it's not just nazi but there's like a there's like a german captured uh pistol and with like the the like official thing explaining what it is who captured
Starting point is 01:56:59 it the rank of the guy crazy stuff helmets insignias you know i worked at an auction gallery for about 10 years and we had uh periodically these world war ii auctions and my boss got so mad because a reporter came and the picture they used of him was him with the giant swastika behind him so in the local paper it's just like my crazy boss and the giant swastika ah that's amazing the crazy thing is uh we went to an antique shop in austin and they were selling a bunch of swastikas. And it seemed like the guy who worked there actually got offended at the idea that it was offensive. I asked. I was like, don't people like freak out?
Starting point is 01:57:33 And he was like, no. He was like, this was a commonplace symbol across the United States pre-World War II. And it is on tons of advertisements, buildings. But now they're all trying to erase it and cover it up. It's true south side of chicago there's a big house that has a swastika built into the top and they nailed wooden blocks to to make it into a square but it's in the same orientation as the swastika exactly same they're they're not angled they're not angled right so it's just like
Starting point is 01:58:01 and and they went the other direction i think and And then Hitler inverted it and then tilted it. But so on the building, it's just a straight up symbol. And then they put the wood blocks to fill the gap. So it's just a square with lines through it, but you can see it because you can see the blocks. Crazy, man.
Starting point is 01:58:17 On YouTube, there'll be, if you ever watch Hitler's speeches on YouTube, forever, you could just watch the video and you'd watch it. But now any video, a lot of videos made in the last year, they're like, they have a little disclaimer before you start watching and saying, we do not condone Nazism, just so you know. It's like, dude,
Starting point is 01:58:31 you don't have to say that. It's just a speech. But, yep. Let's grab some more super chats. Triton54 says, Union Jack is the blue section of the US flag flown from the forward end of US Navy ships. Is that right? I believe Union Jack is a
Starting point is 01:58:48 reference to the U.K. flag. I'm pretty sure it is. I don't know. Maybe the Union Jack is on those, but I don't know that. I've never heard that before. Yep. Union Jack flag. British flag. Yeah. Yeah, because
Starting point is 01:59:02 Union flag, Union Jack, it's British. Well, uh, yeah, because yeah, union flag, the union jacks British. Well, there you go. Let's grab a couple more super chats. Maybe we'll just grab a two. Winston Alexander says I'm half Korean white X, us army stationed in Korea in the nineties was told not to talk about being
Starting point is 01:59:18 Korean since the locals would assume my mom was a hooker. Wow. Not so much that way today. Um, now, uh, my mom was a hooker wow not so much that way today um now uh i think what i was told was that it's more of a novelty and there's this attitude of deep curiosity so uh a journalist told me that if i went to north korea they would be like super excited that i was there and try and ask me everything about my family and try and learn as much as possible still holding like a disdainful view of like but how did it happen you know so there you go good fun maybe one day donald trump will get re-elected and he will help being uh he will help he will help bring peace to the korean peninsula and then i can actually go visit go visit the uh
Starting point is 02:00:02 town for which my uh my believe my great-grandfather? Or is it great-grandfather? Great-great, I think. Yeah, great-great-grandfather. Actually, maybe great-grandfather. I don't know. Your mom's grandpa or something? Or her great-grandfather?
Starting point is 02:00:19 My mom's great-grandfather, I think. Yeah, I think it's great-grandfather. I don't know. It's hard to track these things. I need to ask my mom's great grandfather, I think. Yeah, I think it's great grandfather. I don't know. It's hard to track these things. I need to ask my mom. But it's funny because like the white side of my family is easy. I go to Europe and I'm like,
Starting point is 02:00:32 oh, so this is Ireland. Oh, so this is London. Oh, so this is Germany. I go to Korea and it's like, I can't cross that line. Yeah. So one side of my mom's side of the family was from the South.
Starting point is 02:00:42 One side's from the North, but there was no North or South back then. It was just farm workers. All right. If you haven't already, smash that like button, would you kindly. Share the show with your friends.
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Starting point is 02:01:00 You can follow me personally at timcast. Bill, do you want to shout anything out? Yeah, a couple of things. So, Minds has expanded. You can now launch personally at Timcast. Bill, do you want to shout anything out? Yeah, a couple things. So Mines has expanded. You can now launch your own social network and app based on the Mines software. So if you go to Mines.com slash about slash networks, you can launch your own app that is connected to the decentralized social web. That's what we've done with Scanner on scnr.com.
Starting point is 02:01:25 So it now has its own node of the decentralized social world. And you can get all the Scanner articles on there. And apps are coming soon for Scanner on both stores. So keep an eye out for those. And then MindsFest, we got coming up April 27th at the Vulcan in Austin. It's going to be awesome. And Sean is telling me that we need to challenge Elon and Mark Cuban to come debate DEI. I wanted to say we could bill it as the white supremacist versus the African-American.
Starting point is 02:02:01 Yeah. So thanks for having me, man. What's the website you mentioned? Mines.com slash about slash networks yeah slash we need a better with an ass yeah with an ass yeah uh my name's alotta liah who i'm a journalist here at timcast news follow us on twitter and instagram and all that good stuff uh it's been awesome thanks for tuning in guys this is a really fun one you can find me at shane cashman online and uh tomorrow at 3 o'clock, I'll be on Pop Culture Crisis with Brett and Mary.
Starting point is 02:02:26 I'm looking forward to it. Oh, awesome. This was a good one. And shout out to Richie Jackson for giving me this awesome shirt, Bill. Thanks for bringing the flag. Tim, good show. Good to see you guys. Good to see you a lot.
Starting point is 02:02:36 You too, Shane. I like how you can blend in to almost any conversation. It's nice. I'm a ghost. Yes, you are a chameleon of the mind. Serge Dupree Hey that was a good one I agree Good show good to have you here Elad
Starting point is 02:02:49 Likewise Bill as well And Shane thanks for doing the show Yeah let's end the show Tim Alright we will see you all over at TimCast.com In about a minute thanks for hanging out you

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