Timcast IRL - Timcast IRL #983 Fani Willis Wins, Trump Judge Refuses To Remove Leftist DA w/Liam Cosgrove

Episode Date: March 16, 2024

Tim, Libby, Hannah Claire, & Kellen join Rob Noerr & Liam Cosgrove to discuss Fani Willis being allowed to remain on the Trump case in Georgia, Boeing's woes continuing as a plane loses a panel midflight, and a Boeing whistleblower being found dead. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Ah, yes, Nathan Wade in the Georgia case will be stepping down. Fannie Willis effectively wins. All that's really happening now with this removal is that the judge said, well, there's an odor of mendacity, but, you know, we're just going to just say stop working together. So Fannie Willis gets to keep doing whatever she wants. She's been accused of perjury. She's facing a potential perjury inquiry. Nathan Wade all the same.

There was there were three individuals, I believe, who have been accused of perjury in that in that hearing. And the judge just goes, oh, whatever, I guess. Now, the funny thing is, this woman is charging many of Trump's lawyers and Trump personalities with lying to law enforcement or obstruction and things of that nature. Yet she is now being accused of the same thing. And the judge, he's a coward i can't say i'm surprised we talked a little bit about this morning on the culture war podcast but we'll talk about that and uh oh i got a good one there's there there have been a ton of uh stories i don't know if you've seen of boeing jets wheel falling off we got a new story right now side panel falls off we've got one leaking fuel or something

emergency landing turn around i don't know what's going on but there's this boeing whistleblower who they say in the media died of apparent suicide the reporting now and this is from jalopnik this is not a conservative source is that he told his friend i am not suicidal and don't believe it if they say i killed myself seems like we have a conspiracy. But we'll get into that. We got a bunch of other stories to get into as well. Before we get started, my friends, head over to castbrew.com and pick up your coffee. Appalachian Nights is the undisputed champion of the coffee sales because we're already sold out of the coffee pods.

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And, yeah, it's good to be here. Right on. And Rob's back. He was here this morning. Thank you so much for having me again. I'm Rob Knorr. I am probably the premier right-wing debater on this crazy Twitch YouTube debate sphere. So honored to be back again.

Looking forward to it. Right on. Hannah Clare's hanging out. Hey, I'm Hannah Clare Brimelow. I'm back again. I'm with SCNR News or SCNR.com. That's Scanner News. I hope you guys are having a great Friday. Libby's here. I'm here. I'm Lib-Claire Brimelow. I'm back again. I'm with SCNR News or SCNR.com. That's Scanner News. I hope you guys are having a great Friday.

Libby's here. I'm here. I'm Libby Emmons. I'm with the Postmillennial. Glad to be hanging out, y'all. And I am not Surge.gov. It's Kellen. I'm Kellen.

Oh, is that what you changed it to? No, no. But I like playing fun with them with that one. But yeah, let's get into it. Here we go, ladies and gentlemen. This is the big news breaking from this morning. Now, we do know, I think we should jump to this right here. Nathan Wade is the he's he's stepping down. He's a special prosecutor who was appointed by Fannie Willis. And after the judge ruled, basically nothing's going to happen. She's allowed to keep her work going. She won't be taken off of this case i i can't say i'm surprised when the judge dismissed six charges against the trump defendants three against trump personally many

people were saying that this is this is evidence that the judge will not rule against fannie willis what we're hearing now in the press is that the judge wants to split the baby that's what everyone saying split the baby uh as anyone knows when you split the baby the baby dies that's and so if the issue here is that judge scott mccaffey was trying to prevent i don't know um uh what's the right word acrimonious conflict or whatever how we're doing conflict in general he's certainly done the opposite. And he has, as the coward, he is the spineless, pathetic man that he is flicked a match into the Tinder box because the appropriate move for this spineless piece of trash would have been to say, if you don't want there to be conflict,

you must stop the conflict. So what she should have said, what we're going to do is to avoid the image of partiality and bias. We will politely ask Ms. Willis to please step aside and we will have someone else come and take up this case. This is not indicative of wrongdoing on Ms. Willis. It's indicative of the integrity of the court and our attempt to appear impartial as we bring justice about. Instead, he's terrified what the left would do if he even tried to be impartial. So he said, burn the whole thing to the ground. And there we are. Yeah, it's a rough time for him because he's also in the middle of a reelection campaign. So I don't know if that will hurt. I don't think it will help him in his district. But he said before this wasn't political. He's staying biased. You know, a lot of eyes were on him in this

decision. And I thought I thought the language of like, well, either Willis and her entire office can go or Wade can step down. So you guys make a decision. Whatever you think was sort of it was he was really trying to walk a weird line. It's another irony in every single legal case, the lawfare against Trump every single time they do exactly what they're accusing Trump of. So they're charging him with RICO and racketeering and perjury. I mean, the worst thing she's accused of doing is intimidating witnesses, which is incredibly serious. And yet she's allowed to stay on this case. The reason is quite simple. Just like with Jack Smith, they need to get this case in before the election. This is all about election interference. So they're worried, well, if we remove her from the case and bring someone else

on, perhaps this won't come about before the election. Make no mistake, this has nothing to do with justice. It is completely about interfering in the election and trying to save the American people because they know they're going to get a guilty verdict because the left is nuts and they don't care. They'll indict Trump for anything. It doesn't matter if he did it or not. It's all about impugning him and interfering in the election, which, by the way, is the very thing they say that trump tried to do which makes him an authoritarian i suppose the issue uh the question is does this hurt trump or help him more that he's being targeted indicted because the one thing it is doing is making sure that trump can't campaign while trump is locked up in court going to florida trying to get dismissals and things like this he's uh you've got joe biden kamala harris and they're they're going out in their campaigning

what kamala harris you went to like a Planned Parenthood or something? Yeah, yeah, yeah, in Minnesota. So they're cheating. This is cheating. Democrats are cheating. And the question is, does it actually hurt Trump, though? Because many people have made the argument that his polls go up when we see things like this. Well, his polls do go up when we see this kind of thing. And I think that a lot of people also see that the way that Trump is being targeted

is in many ways the way that Americans are being targeted. We have the DOJ going after moms and parents at school board meetings, including a father whose daughter was, you know, allegedly raped in the school bathroom and the DOJ went after him. We have the DOJ going after Catholics who prefer Latin mass,

all based on just one guy's information and they extrapolated that. You have the Biden administration still saying that white supremacy and domestic extremism are the biggest threats facing the united states while the border is collapsing you have haitian immigrants are about to like flood the country the biden administration has a program in place where 30 000 refugees can come into the u.s from very specific countries including venezuela and haiti two countries that have definitely been in the news lately we've seen a lot of crimes lately in the u.s committed by venezuelan asylum seekers you know and we're about to have that kind of stuff going on probably from

asylum seekers that's what they say that's how they make it legal asylum seekers and this guy jose abara who is accused of killing lake and riley in georgia he was an asylum seeker and a story out from the new york post quoted his wife saying that the reason they got married um she had a five-year-old from a previous relationship and she said the reason they got married was so that they could join up their asylum cases and have a better shot at gaining asylum and now it turns out that you know he's a murderer that's the beginning of a rom-com but we that's such a great reason to get married it's a meet cute but the other thing too too that we see in Michigan and what is it, Wisconsin, we're also seeing the states there, the attorney generals there going after electors who were on the alternate slate of electors. So Americans who are locked up in the legal system for these kind of crazy charges, the J6ers, all of that, they can see what's going

on. I think what would be great for Trump is if he got a VP pick and the VP pick could go out there, someone who's really good at campaigning. That's what we want to see, someone who can draw crowds. Well, and this is one of the things Nikki Haley used against Trump. She gave a speech saying, you know, Trump spends more time in the courtroom than on the campaign trail, right? Everyone who's against Trump points to his legal issues and says, look, he's not committed to you as voters when really I think his true supporters are like, you guys are doing everything you can to bind his wrists to the wall and keep him from running.

Right, and she was even one of the people saying, we have to tie this up before the election. We have Trump's attorneys out there every day like pushing it back and pushing it back. And correct me if I'm wrong, you guys, but Alvin Bragg in new york he said he elevated the what 34 counts of falsifying business records these are misdemeanors he elevated them to a felony and he still hasn't given any explanation for how they're a felony

they can only be a felony if they were in commission to a greater crime and he still hasn't said what that crime is well because they're liars and they're corrupt and they'll just do whatever they want that's exactly right and remember that charge that bragg's charging with has to do with campaign finance non-disclosures a crime that we know hillary clinton committed well hillary clinton paid eight thousand dollars in a fine for that right eight thousand dollars that's constantly the theme and the dnc had to pay a much larger sum of money but hillary clinton did the same thing she got fined eight thousand dollars and trump is you know what do you think they're going to fine him eight thousand dollars for the same crime you go back to the far violation thousand million dollars and her crime

she said that money paid to her attorneys was for legal fees and it was actually money paid to her attorneys to create the steel dossier right and you go back to like every single one of these charges the far violations against trump's campaign manager we talked about this this morning a little to create the Steele dossier. Right. And you go back to like every single one of these charges, the Farr violations against Trump's campaign manager. We talked about this this morning a little, right? That same crime was committed with the Podesta group, which was the campaign manager of Hillary Clinton. And yet they're allowed to receive retroactively filing paperwork.

You have Hunter Biden who committed Farr violations. Every single one of these crimes, the problem isn't that they're charging the crimes. The problem is the two-tier justice and selective prosecution. The entire Russia collusion story was as follows. We had to break some eggs. We had to break the law because the allegation is so serious that Trump may have colluded with Russians. And how did they seek to prove it?

By Hillary Clinton colluding with a Russian spy and the FBI allowing it to get dirt to illegally spy on Trump. Every single time what they accuse Trump of is exactly what they're doing. Well, somebody has to pay for their crimes. It's not going to be them. It's absolutely true. And like you have to look at like with Fannie Willis here again, they say that they're against even the appearance of impropriety. Go back and look when you had James Comey was fired. And so they have the Mueller report. Mueller was the basically advisor of James Comey, his mentor. That committee had 17 Democrats on it and two, including two lawyers that worked for the Hillary campaign. And I said at the time, I was like, if there's ever a right winger that does a special counsel,

they'll lose their mind. We have the her report. And just because this guy, what, saluted an American flag or something at some point in his life, they're like, he must be Republican. They're so jaded and they're so entitled that the left wing and the Democrat perception of things is we not only expect special prosecutors and the FBI to let us off the hook, they're not even allowed to say a bad word about us while we do it. That's the double system that we have where they literally are let off the hook for obvious crimes.

But if someone like Comey says, but it was bad or her says, yeah, the president's losing his marbles, they say that's not good enough that he let him off the hook. It's, it's the doubles, this country cannot survive this sort of double standard. This is the real election interference.

And unless we stand up and do something about it, we're going to be in a really bad place. I mean, I think. They hired Scott Pressler. That's,

that's real quick. Did they hire Scott Pressler or they're just like working with Scott Pressler? I think they're in talks to hire him, right? They announced that he's going to come on. Okay, that's, that's huge's real quick did they hire scott pressler or they're just like working with scott i think they're in talks they announced that he's gonna come okay that's that's huge yeah that that guy is one of the most effective organizers absolutely yeah i think that's a good step i think it's a really good step i think it's inspirational i mean scott's young and he's

really boots on the ground he's involved and he's extremely passionate this is the kind of thing that i think young conservatives are really looking for in the party they want someone who wants to take action do something and is sort of relentless i mean that's the thing you can say about him he just will not stop and they need that kind of energy right now i think there's a lot of hope that you see people like that shows like this like the truth is you're not going to get from the legacy media or the establishment republicans like the mitch mcconnell they don't care they don't care that this is happening to trump because they look at trump as their enemy they would rather be the people in charge of a losing party than lose their position in a winning party they don't want that and so it's up to average people regular people that are empowered by social media and other places to show the

american people how bad this double standard is and how corrupt it is and how it is actual election interference and i see hope when you see people like scott pressler being put forward when you see that the mainstream media is losing their legitimacy when you see that trump's poll numbers are going up in large part because people are like even if i don't care for the man individually we can't stand for this two-tiered system and i will see what happens the corruption is going to be insane i think we've got cultural problems in this country between these cultish individuals who don't care what's right or wrong they just hate trump and so they're going to march in lockstep no matter what happens there's not going to be a point

where someone says you know what this This two tiered system is bad. We shouldn't allow it. Now, if Trump ends up winning and then Trump says, I think we should enforce the law. They're going to claim it's a two tiered system and he's targeting us. Help, help. I mean, we talked about a little this morning. Just take this one little example. Ari Melber, I think MSNBC, right?

He comes out when Elon was talking about buying X and he says, can you imagine if Elon Musk bought this? What if he censored a Democratic candidate? What if they shadow ban Democratic arguments? They literally they're so entitled. They weren't worried that Elon was going to come along and do to them what they did to us. They were worried that he would just stop them doing it. And so they put these hypotheticals out there like, wouldn't it be terrible if Trump did to us what we're doing to him and his supporters? And I'm sorry, I can't stomach the double standard and hypocrisy from these people anymore. If any one of us here at this table, if we were on a jury, it wouldn't matter if we liked or disliked the person. We would try our best to be fair. These left-wing people believe they are morally superior to us to the point where they don't care show me the person and i'll show you

the crime and so they every one of us know in every left-wing area they will convict trump of anything facts be damned they don't care and how can you live in a society where we say hey we want to be fair to you we might think you're stupid we might disagree but we wouldn't want to lock you up 28 percent of people in a you gov poll and i think 2022 28 percent of democrats polled said they wanted to take your children away if you refuse the vaccine how do you live side by side with people that want to do the most heinous thing imaginable well republicans have no counter at all we talked about this this morning as well but it's here is there's there's no uh u.s attorneys there's no district attorneys there's no republicans in any state there's no governors there's no ags uh i i let me pause obviously ken paxton uh has some stuff going on

so uh you know how about that and um but even ronda santis is not really doing that much and and and really what it comes down to is these these districts turn i mean this fannie willis is a fulton county she's a she's a county da she i mean she's a she's a she's a prosecutor for uh uh uh she's a district attorney she is not a governor she is not a senator she is not a high-powered federal official she is not a she's not even a sheriff like brag yeah and leticia james now she's state but then you've got brag where is a single bumpkinville prosecutor to be like well gee i guess i'll charge you bad and with rack tearing i don't understand and then he files the charges and they go sir you you represent a county of like three three thousand people well that's the law that's not even happening i don't know

what's he gonna say file the paper send it in nope they won't do it yeah that's the law that's not even happening i don't understand file the paper send it in nope they won't do it yeah that's something charlie kirk was talking about a while back he was like let's sue biden like sue criminally charged yeah i mean ken paxton you're right is suing the biden administration for a lot of stuff but it's very it's very how about texas and border localized which is in the bush how about this joe biden where was he when he had the conversation with his ghostwriter do we know it is was it in delaware i think it was in his delaware home like so delaware he's protected because ain't no delaware person gonna go after him but hold on hold on joe biden lied he said at a meeting that he did not tell his ghostwriter that uh you know he that that he he uh he did not

tell him any classified information okay how about we start here i'm sure there's a lot of better things you can do but joe biden the democrat they fundraise joe biden's campaign fundraisers so if he lies in his fundraising fraud fraud charge right fraudulent he is lying to people in exchange for money that's fraud in your district they're going after trump on the same on the same documents uh charges that hillary biden and and obama clint everyone should have been should have faced none of them should have been charged for this and matt gates says look nobody should be charged for these things but they're going after him because they're trying to find anything they can why are there no republicans simply saying if you accepted any amount of money

in my state and you lied and he did and come on then i'm sorry you're gonna have to uh you're facing criminal charges for fraud we're gonna investigate you how about the solicitation of donations from kamala harris for the the terrorists during the the george floyd riots yeah the minnesota bail fund i mean there you go that's material support for terrorism that is clear example of quote engaging in an insurrection which is what the section 3 of the 14th amendment says that they tried to get here's the best part uh we know for a fact that in all across this country every single state had some kind of right or another so if you're in a conservative state or Republican state, you need to contact the local. If I'm going to put this way, if you know that far leftists BLM, which is an organization,

they rioted in your town or somewhere in your state, you should be calling your DN asking why they are not going after Kamala Harris for providing material support to terrorists. Kamala Harris directly posted bail fund. Let's raise money for these people. So she's raising money for a group that engaged in acts of domestic terrorism. And now you may be saying, come on, it's BLM riots. You're calling it domestic terrorism. That's the point. Trump didn't engage in insurrection. They, how many States went after him for this? The point is we talked about it this morning. The Republicans aren't fighting fire with water. They're not fighting fire with fire. I'm like, I will take wheat flour, unbleached wheat flour, throw anything on the flames to make it stop.

Well, that's one of the great things. I think it was a really good move putting Laura Trump in the RNC chair. She came in, right? She fired a bunch of people just like her father-in-law would have, which I think is, you know, really, I think that is a little bit fire bringing in Scott Pressler, who has a proven track record of voter registration and getting votes out for the GOP. So I think that we might really start to see a different tact from the RNC. And it's really quite about time.

This is an RNC now with Laura Trump in charge that is interested in winning and I think is going to make that happen. Let's jump to something that affects everyday Americans. Politics can be a bit esoteric, but we have this story. Boeing United Airlines flight lands in Oregon after losing a panel midair. The latest in a lengthy list of safety incidents

for the embattled plane company. Here we go. Here's another one from Business Insider. The sudden drop of a Boeing 787 that injured 50 people may have been caused by a flight attendant accidentally hitting a switch in the cockpit, report says. I just want to ask,

how does a flight attendant accidentally hit a switch in the cockpit? Isn't she not supposed to be in the cockpit? What is she doing in there? Aren't they supposed to lock those doors? I don't want to imply impropriety here let's all assume you know she was she dropped something was reaching down to pick it up

and then she went up and she realized she missed and she had to go back down again and then on the way up she hit her head on the that's right and then she hit her head on the controls I'm kidding by the way she may have just been bringing in coffee that's actually very plausible to be honest I don't see how you accidentally hit a switch.

I mean, there's switches all over on those cockpits that you wonder how they even like keep flying. Or what if it's like the Alaska Airlines guy who was like- I guess you could fall. Turbulence, you could fall. Your butt hits a bunch of switches. There could be an accident. But what if it's like the Alaska Airlines guy

who was like riding whatever the jump seat and then he all of a sudden was like, I can't do this, ripped his headphones off and like pulled it. Do you remember this story from a little while ago? Yeah, the Alaska Airlines guy who was like riding whatever the jump seat. And then he all of a sudden was like, I can't do this. Ripped his headphones off and like pulled it. Do you remember the story from a little while ago? Yeah. The Alaska Airlines guy. He said he hadn't taken drugs in several hours. He was just having a hard time and hadn't been sleeping.

He was the one charged with attempted murder. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I thought he was on syringe. He was three days before. I don't know how long it lasts. But I mean, you know what I think is going to be really trendy this trendy this year the road trip i feel like that's really making a comeback uh break out all of your memetic architecture and your fun billboards we're not getting on planes this year i have been look like i have to travel a lot and i keep being like how how far a drive is that i do

love my car i did that recently because it's like when you have to go to the airport and then you're at the airport and if to go away from the airport you gotta factor in that time you gotta factor in the sitting around time right depending on the flight length you could do

like a six hour road trip in the same amount of time it would take you to fly somewhere I just drove nine hours the other day I was like it was totally fine

so my questions on this are one does anyone here know because anecdotally this does seem like it's happening a lot more but does anyone know like statistically

how much more frequently this is happening and two i don't think there's yet to be a death right like there was that one where the exit door flew off but no one flew out with the door that was only because the guy was wearing his seatbelt and the two people were supposed to sit there no it's crazy i mean yeah i normally don't wear my seatbelt nice when i sit in exit row now i do wear it all the time but i time. 50 people got hurt when this plane dropped suddenly and they all slammed into the ceiling. That's messed up. And then, I mean, it comes like,

what do we think of the causes? I mean, I'm a libertarian, so I think the causes are probably like the FAA is outliving its usefulness and probably things are becoming too calcified. DEI. There's also DEI. You know who we should ask?

The Secretary of Transportation, Pete Buttigieg, who definitely knows what's going on. Can you imagine you're on this flight, right, and Buttigieg is on there, and you're like, oh my goodness, the stewardess hit that switch and we're all falling. And he'd be like, um, flight attendant, please. We don't use the term stewardess anymore. That's really funny. I mean, at what point do you, as in general, we don't know specifically what caused each of these, but when we live in a society that no longer rewards competence and instead we

reward sort of victimhood culture, these things are inevitable over time. You're going to see bridges collapse. You're going to see public transportation wrecks. You're going to see airplanes falling apart. We are being told that those are sacrifices. You, the average American,

we have to sacrifice your safety. Why? Because it's important that those are sacrifices. You, the average American, we have to sacrifice your safety. Why? Because it's important that we virtue signal. I find it to be one of the most racist, bigoted things imaginable. I think that we should reward any, I don't think people are inferior based on their sex or their race. I think we should reward people that are the best for the job, the most competent. But no, we're instead told that we have to have this racist mentality that, oh, we have

to promote certain categories of people. And again, I can't point to this incident or others at Boeing, but you see what Boeing's leadership's doing. You see how invested they are in DEI. Why don't you take a couple of days and make sure your planes are safe before lecturing us about what pronouns we need to use. So I agree that DEI is probably playing a role in this, but also like, let's think back to when we, in the nineties, when we were all kids and we flew on planes and how the experience was almost identical, except you didn't have a tv in the back of the headset to me i look at don't anymore well yeah sometimes you sometimes you don't even have another they're all gone those don't exist anymore yeah now now you have hooks for your phones okay yeah i think

they've got both but the point is like depends on your plane right i think but the point is like... Depends on your plane. Right. But the point is like, this industry has not innovated in like 30 years. When I was flying... So is it surprising that it's like slowly falling apart? I mean, we're still like... There's not a free market in airlines, so it's no surprise

that the quality is going down. And part of the quality going down is sadly like the literal integrity and safety of, you know, the planes and the people who run them. Well, yeah, hyper consolidation. So really, it's capitalism's fault. All the airlines are getting bought out by each other.

And now there's like three. Right. But the airlines are getting multi-billion dollar bailouts for, you know, when they're not even producing a product. And the barrier to entry is near impossible. Well, Virgin Atlantic. I actually did end up with a new Richard Branson. Yeah. Thanks to Richard Branson. And then that was that was someone else bought them. near impossible well virgin atlanta i actually did end up with a new richard branson yeah thanks

to richard branson and then that was that was someone else bought that was more that was like what 15 20 years ago something like that yeah i'm not i'm not serious i think capitalism is the problem but i do think monopolization is and centralization is the problem when all these airlines buy each other out there's no competition so now it's like in the united states you have two choices you've united an american i'm sure there's budget airlines and you know but wouldn't you argue that monopolization is a result of faa making a huge barrier to entry also i mean it's hard to get permitting if you wanted to make a new airport to get a new route going um you know and it's both and then flooding flooding the industry with cash so they can buy each other out nothing made these companies buy each other

and actually they deregulated in the 2000 in the in the late 2000 mid to late 2000s i think or when was the deregulation uh wages used to be way higher for airline workers and then the government because it was regulated the airlines had to pay a certain amount and then i don't know exactly what happened but i i used to work at o'hare as a ramp uh i was an acting crew chief so a little bit above a ramp agent but still basically you know periodically in charge of the people who are who are loading planes sometimes loading planes myself crew chiefs are the ones who are in charge of the room and they they tell people to load planes if you're acting it's like halfway there you step in when someone's sick but uh they they

were saying that before the deregulation which i don't know exactly when that happened people were getting like the equivalent of you know 50 60 50, $60,000 a year. And then once the government said, okay, you're now allowed to pay these people, whatever you want, we're going to step out of it. Skill levels dropped dramatically. Service dropped dramatically. Wages dropped dramatically. You used, it used to be that they were going to hire someone to load a plane and they were

going to pay them 60, $70,000 a year. So you were getting high quality candidates that had to pass scrutiny. The government then said, okay, we've been lobbied. We're going to get rid of this, hire whoever you want. They immediately then said, this is a $7 an hour job and we'll take anyone who can do it. And then you ended up with something that's not better. Fair enough.

I mean, so you're, you're kind of arguing. I mean, I don't know airline regulation to even make the argument. I just know from going through TSA and dealing with planes where you have to put the tray up before you land and take off, which seems ridiculous. That's because of emergency exits and stuff.

Right, I know. But the fact that like, the fact that there's also, I mean, the fact that seats are still like, you know, straight up. There's not an airline with like beds or couches and things like there's there's no diversity in the market i gotta stop you here let me just make the point though so i agree like i don't know a bunch about airline regulation my point is that i can tell by using it that it's one of the most heavily regulated industries but

but you're wrong about what's going on with the inside of planes and why planes are the way they are the the airline industry has actually tried and uh attempted to change the way boarding works the way seating works and passengers reject it and they lose money so they stop you're you're telling me you wouldn't fly like if you could do a bed and coach i don't care how how do you do crowded it i don't will you crowd them and you stack them together more closely? And you like, they're doing interlaced ones where there's the seats are above you. Herringbone style. I don't, I don't know how you describe it, but instead of having seats just like this,

they're like that. So now, now you spread out the seats a little bit and put one right in the middle and it's solid. So you're sitting and you can actually, everyone gets way more leg room. So if you're, if you're in the elevated seat, you can, you know, you know like you have more room and i don't know how they're they are certainly trying those innovations yeah but uh having worked uh for

american uh airlines i worked for their regional uh american eagle for those that are familiar the smaller jets crjs and embryos we always. And like, we directly talk to the people who are running the company, not like the executives, but like Ed O'Hare, at least supervisors and the higher ups. Why is boarding so stupid? Why does it take so long?

People would ask us, what happens with our bags? And I'm like, well, like, do people even understand? You'll get a viral video where it's like a guy outside throwing the bag. He'll pick it up and just chuck it in. And they're going, whoa, what's he doing with my bag? It's like he's giving you $15 service.

You don't want to pay money for your bags. So that guy gets paid $9 an hour. And when they fire him, they can only get another guy who gets paid $9 an hour. And they don't care about your bag. And for $9 an hour, they will kick your bag. If you want to pay more. They might not just not care about your bag. They might hate your bag if you want to pay more they might not just not care about your bag they might hate your bag i hate you i i will tell you i would feel

there were a lot of people in the bag room so the bag room is where you sit in a chair there's a conveyor belt and all the bags are going across and everyone has a zone behind them they'll have two or three bag carts and it'll say above it uh something like uh or no it wouldn't say already because you're at ord but it would say um you know uh cit cvg or whatever those are your cities if you see a bag with that city grab it load it on the cart those are yours this one goes out twice a day this one goes out twice a day that one goes out once a day right and there were guys in the bag room who would sit there and they'd see a big bag that weighs 50 pounds. And so what they would do is as it's coming on the conveyor belt, they put one arm on it and then they spin to generate centripetal force and then throw it into the cart and then sit back down because they were getting paid 975 an hour.

When we'd ask like, hey, how come they don't pay more? It's like, so in order to actually be profitable, coach seats aren't actually that profitable. Business and premium economy are where they make most of their money. First class is, I think, actually relatively low profitability. And coach is moderate, but business and premium are where the bulk of profit is generated so they're like there's a reason why we charge money for uh for you know having your bags checked we got to pay the bag checkers right well we can afford to pay them this and then people make the

argument well they're making all this profit they're making billions in profit the point is certainly you can argue they can shave off their profits for their shareholders but then there's fiduciary responsibility of the company to make sure they get a return to their shareholders where they can, which means they're always looking at ways to cut costs. Then here's what ends up happening. One of the easiest examples of the inefficiency of airlines is it would actually be more efficient if an airline just said, boarding has now begun, have fun, and let everyone just randomly storm in. That's more efficient than the way all the airlines do it now southwest is a different system where it's like you line up from like a row number or something

and you choose whatever seat you get to you have like a criteria or something the the there the the way we board now is based on customer request people don't want to board without their family and friends so if we set up a more efficient system where it was like all window seats board, then all middle seats board, then all aisle seats board, that would be the fastest way to do it. But that would mean that husbands and wives would be split up. Parents and their kids would be split up and they all reject it outright. They're unwilling to accept these changes. And that's why everything is the way it is because this is the highest return for the business over the past 70 years or whatever. Right. So those things things are fine i didn't mean to like start this deep dive into the airline industry like i'm not talking about the logistics of bags and treat and boarding process i just mean i'm a

bit surprised that like the interior of planes and the experience is roughly the same as it was in the 1990s because people don't want it well i mean i i want it like i did it the the experience in terms of the quality has not changed. They got rid of the quality of the seats, the quality of the planes, too. I mean, the planes don't want it. The reason why budget airlines are becoming so prominent and getting so much attention now is great because people are like, dude, I will stand up if you give me a flight for 50 bucks.

That was a Ryanair guy. I remember that the good the budget airline in Europe. He was like, everyone's like he he wants people to stand on the plane. was like look if you look at it some of our flights are like 45 minutes you're just literally jumping to the next country you could stand for that about that long on a bus sometime why not on amtrak too like i've i've like i used to take the train from new york city to philadelphia a lot and i would stand the whole time if there were no seats like whatever and even more if you take the um if you take new jersey transit to the uh septa in philly like you could do like that and if that's crowded just stand but you're paying 15 bucks to get that whole way let me let me just ask you

liam uh just why don't you fly first class well i mean because first class is absurdly expensive i mean i i don't think that's the sorts of things i'm talking about and again like a lot of this is just kind of speculation um i don't think the sorts of things i'm talking about, and again, like a lot of this is just kind of speculation. I don't think the sorts of things I'm talking about would be as expensive as first class. I think you could pack layer people into an airplane with beds where couples lay together. I'm talking very tight, like it'd be a little claustrophobic, but at least you could lay down so you're not sitting up straight for the whole flight. I think you could do that for much cheaper than first class. It might be a little more expensive than coaches now, particularly on like Allegiant and the budget airlines,

which I love for short-term flights. I'm talking more about- Business class, premium economy. Yeah, I mean, they are- Like, I guess- They're absurdly expensive, I think, for how much- I guess the idea you're presenting is

they should create another class- No, there should be just competition in the market. And you're saying there's no competition because it hasn't, people don't want it. My assumption is is because i just look at how regulated the industry is where everyone gives you the same spiel before you sit down there's these you know industry-wide

regulations of like you know the tray tables and things like that and and uh i see uh and it makes sense because they're airplanes they they right but you but the tray tables thing i don't think is a good example i know it's kind of stupid but they're i definitely don't want to lay down next to other people on an airplane no no i'm talking no no yeah you wouldn't lay down next to other people unless you're you know a spouse or something even then i don't but you can't control that because some people fly by themselves no i know and then you'd you'd end up paying a bit more i'm just you'd meet people in a really interesting way to my point like this bed and coach idea is actually this is actually being done right now um i don't know when it all comes coach idea, this is actually being done right now.

I don't know when it'll come to fruition, but this is the actual thing that Maryland's working on. They're doing the interlaced seating so you can actually lay underneath the seat that's in front of you. Okay, so that's a similar kind of thing. Exactly. But everyone made fun of it, insulted it, and people have basically mocked the concept. Has it come to market yet, though? I don't know if it's come to market. I think it was...

Okay, well, let's see when it does. I mean, I'm just saying... Here's the main issue. You would agree it's one of the most heavily regulated industries, right? It should be. I mean, you're taking human beings into the sky. Right, but also, to start an airline is already such a high capital that you make, you know, it's such a barrier to entry.

I don't think it should be that regulated, actually. I think, like, you know, I think the regulation is part of the reason we have planes falling apart now because government, you know, bureaucracies. Yeah, but I think it's bureaucracy and DEI. Right. I think it's both too. No, I agree with you. The issue with the airline industry is, or with any industry, too many people.

You don't matter. If there were a thousand customers to a business, your say is massive as a single customer. They're going to be like, we can't afford to lose even one. But with hundreds of millions flying, what, like every month, all they're going to do is they're going to say, hey, look, 60% of people will literally sit on a mop bucket if it saves them money. We are not going to spend $50 million retrofitting our planes with bed seats. It's inelastic demand because people have to travel.

The way I solve this problem is I'm just like a redneck that never leaves rural Pennsylvania. And then no problem, you know? Wait, one counterpoint I just thought of, because you mentioned Virgin America. If everyone remembers when Virgin America first came to market, it actually was a way better experience than the rest of them. And then I think it's been since been bought out

by another company. Now it's, you know, kind of- My favorite thing about Virgin was when I first flew on Virgin Airlines, the safety video said, make sure you're wearing your seatbelt when the light comes on. If you don't know how to put on a seatbelt,

something is seriously wrong with you. And they didn't explain it! I was like, wow. That's a bold move for your insurance company to accept. That's like when people stopped saying leave a message after the beep. You know, on voicemail. Does anyone have voicemail?

Yeah, no, nobody has. Has voicemail? No, you know, do you guys remember? Yeah, yeah for sure it used to be yeah answering machines leave a message after the beep oh right but everyone just knows how now people know how to operate voicemail yeah they know to leave a message you know the worst thing in the world is people who have voicemails where they're like hello oh i hate that also i can't hear you i'm just kidding it's a voicemail i'm like hang up yeah you're not funny leaving a yeah i just don't i just don't leave a ever let's let's get into the conspiracy

here we go now there's a reason why we brought up boeing because as we're dealing with planes dropping from the sky it didn't crash but and people getting injured and now i think there's been like well like five bo Boeing stories in the past week. Not to mention, before this, you had the corporate press insulting conservative commentators for warning that DEI and airlines was going to result in plane crashes. They're like, oh, these people are crazy.

Now you've got a Boeing whistleblower. They say committed suicide. Here's from Jalopnik, which is not, this is a leftist obsessed with the culture of cars they say quote it's not suicide boeing whistleblower warned friend before death a family friend of boeing whistleblower john barnett says he warned her not to believe reports of suicide that proves it well wasn't he in the middle of giving like he went to court gave testimony went to his hotel

room yeah and then was like nope, can't go any further. Like that seems very bizarre to me. I agree. And especially since he's been on this whistleblower kick since he left Boeing in 2017. And in 2018, 2019, we had huge plane crashes in like Indonesia and Egypt. You know, it was like hundreds and hundreds of people died. They said that it was because of faulty, like, I what it was but there was like faulty parts and there was like stuff left on board that shouldn't have been there and so if he's been on this kick that whole time like why now in the middle of a deposition would he would he shoot himself well the question he wouldn't

right is it a vince foster suicide where he shoots himself twice in the back of the head? Or an Epstein one where the cameras malfunction while guards fall asleep? There was a pharmacy. I used to live in Bay Ridge, Brooklyn. This one sounds more low budget. There was a pharmacy, right? And the owner of the pharmacy was found dead in his office of apparent suicide. Two shots to the head.

And police were like, yeah, it's a suicide. And I'm like, yeah, okay, for sure. Now, hold on. To be fair, it is entirely possible that someone shoots themselves twice in the head and police were like yeah it's a suicide and i'm like yeah okay for sure now hold on to be fair it is entirely possible that someone shoots themselves twice in the head immediately you're laughing so some people often they'll take the gun and they'll put it under their chin and when they pull the trigger the bullet ejects through their mouth and straight up oh and so that is a gunshot wound to the head and then there's something wrong and then they'll take it and they'll put it to their temple not fun not good not okay people need serious help but i want to make sure people understand context because when the police then put it like the corner put in the report you know

gsw uh head 2x or something people go what that can't be suicide and they're like i think people need to understand there are people who have been shot in the head and they survive like i think people didn't understand there are people who have been shot in the head and they survive like all the time like a fight club too at the end of fight club he well he put it he blew out intentionally yeah right out of his mouth right because he was insane but yes that was the that was a premise of uh the ending plot of fight club so i just want to say that not saying that you know uh who was who was g who is Gary Webb? Was that his name? In Fight Club? No, no, no.

The journalist who was exposing the CIA and then died of a suicide with two gunshot wounds to the head. Yeah. You know, I'm still going to lean towards, yeah, he was probably killed. Well, here's the thing. I say this about conspiracy theories in general, whether it be suicides, what have. It's not our fault that we're distrusting. With the legal system as bad as it is where you know remember we

talked this morning about the whistleblower who can't be named you know that went after trump right like remember that remember when whistleblowers were like sacrosanct and they were heroes and then you had whistleblowers that came up and said hey the biden administration and the fbi under chris race targeting us because they wanted us to go after we spoke up about going after parents at school board meetings or the irs whistleblowers we wanted to look into hunter biden stuff like now all of a sudden whistleblowers ah we don't believe them they're garbage they're trash so when you have these sort of lies that are constantly told to you in this two-tiered system you can't help but be skeptical for all we know this gentleman unfortunately did take his own life i don't know the specifics of it but you can't help but be skeptical when

powerful corporations that are like cutting corners all of a sudden when someone's going to try to hold them to account. Oh, it just so happened at the zero hour, you know, that he took his own life. I don't believe for a second that he killed himself. And the funny thing is, journalists are just the stupidest people in the world. Because they're always like, you must be a conspiracy theorist. And I'm like, if the argument is a guy was blowing the whistle on boeing and in the middle of blowing the whistle and providing testimony and then was found dead after warning a family friend that he would never kill himself yeah that's called fishy and if you

lack the the cognitive function to ask questions it must be very difficult for you to put on your shoes did he warn a family friend or is that him did he go on the news and say that and then no it was a that was a family friend oh okay okay no and your point about journalists is great because like conspiracy theorists if you think about the one whether they're true or not are almost always the most interesting stories or potential stories so if you are a journalist and you're talking around like poo-pooing and using the term conspiracy theory as a slander as a journalist your job is to basically investigate every conspiracy theory that comes to your desk and determine whether it's true or not you don't just like throw it out you know throw it out in the trash bin because you're afraid of you know being called crazy that's your job as a journalist is to find

out and those are always the most interesting ones i remember i was in new york hanging at a bar with a bunch of journalists and it was uh it was like what six months after uh some of bin laden had been killed and then dumped from the helicopter whatever and i'm hanging out with these journalists and they were talking about it and then i and and then i mentioned i said something like that whole thing just played with like some stupid action movie and this one journalist just snapped he instantly got super angry and he went from light conversation to i'm so sick of you conspiracy theorists

with your insane arguments about we didn't actually get him. And I was like, bro, what? You said his hypnotism word. I did not say it never happened.

I said the story played out like a bad action movie. And he's like, what does that mean? I was like, it means that they did a raid on the compound. He grabbed his wife.

Then they captured him, killed him, and then dumped him out of a helicopter. Like the plot of an, I don't know't know what you want me to say i said nothing like a bad action but these people are so anti do not question the official story of the government they get emotionally charged yeah it is like that although it didn't used to be that way i think a lot of that came into being with obama because everyone had like such a huge heart on for him that they just were like oh the government must be trustworthy now because our guy is in there so now the government is trustworthy

and then under the trump they freaked out and then under biden they're back to total complicity it is wild to me that obama was the one that they were like this guy is trustworthy we should definitely trust everything he says he doesn't seem like a career politician at all right it's because he he was barely he barely was one yet i mean he was yeah his entire career was about politics so far i think it's an interesting like question of like how did this come about how did like the media become and for sure that's one i mean there's a lot of left-wing people in the media and then they thought obama was their savior so they didn't want to question him as roughly um another from just like being in that world and like walking around capitol hill and and for a brief period epic times which is like kind of sort of becoming mainstream conservative media um you realize that one

of the most important things to these dc outlets is like getting you know quote unquote access where it's like you want to get the interview with mitt romney yeah you want because it's like them to then you can brag about it's bragging for sure. And Mitt Romney is not going to give you an exclusive if you've just done a story about Epstein and his client list. So basically, they kind of like organically, you know, or they just kind of over time morph themselves into these like mouthpieces of the state so that they can get the access to those basically government celebrities

and things like that. And some of them might actually be like, you know, Operation Mockingbird, which was a real thing. There were congressional hearings on it. So some of it actually might be the state using the outlet. But a lot of it is this organic incentive for the outlet to just cave on its principles so it can get a congressman or a senator to come on the interview. It's actually much, much simpler than that.

The people who invest in and run these big companies, they don't go to journalists and say, actually much much simpler than that the people who invest in and run these big companies they don't go to journalists and say i want you to report that joe biden is of sound mind or else they don't go to them and say i need you to report that joe biden is of sound mind and we're going to write you a check for 10 grand they go outside and they go looking for journalists who want to write about joe biden being great you sir you want to do it you're hired and that's it that's how they do it or like journalists they bring in they they put out a they put they put out a form saying job job opening for a journalist then they interview 10 people and they sit him down and they say what do you think about joe biden and one guy goes

now you know look i don't like trump at all i wouldn't vote for him but biden's not with it they go thank you for coming next. Someone comes in and goes, Joe Biden's so smart. He's the greatest. Can we write about that? You're hired. So you're correct. I think this is more post hoc, though.

This is kind of like what has now happened. I was trying to get at the root of it. And I will say at Epoch Times where it's actually kind of the opposite. If they want to hear your opinion on Biden being negative. But what was like said in many internal conversations at the epic times is specifically like certain stories would be shut down because it's like we don't want to jeopardize this interview that we just got with such and such senator or if you're in the press briefing we don't want to ask this question that's too aggressive because we want to keep getting called on and we want to keep our relationship with the dod and things like that those conversations

absolutely have access journalism right the irony and it gets the what my point is it also gets the right-wing outlets the irony the irony of all this is like when they say the media holds truth to power the reality is they bury the truth for the powerful that's what our journalism has become and when we see sort of people that are trying to be outside the scope of that they are attacked you go to the white house press correspondents you, when they're always patting each other on the back saying, we're the fourth estate. We're so important. The irony is they're right. That is how important the media is.

It's a shame that our legacy media fails in that. They are propagandist and not journalists. They don't hold truth to power. They hold back truth for power. Right. That's exactly what they do. They're easily manipulated. Of course. If you remember the situation with the intelligence community and the Hunter Biden laptop in the lead up to the 2020 election, you had the Biden camp going out soliciting a former Intel guy and saying, hey, do you think this laptop has the hallmarks of Russian disinformation? And the intelligence guy was like, you know what? Come to think of it. It kind of does have the hallmarks of russian disinformation and the intelligence guy was like you know what it kind of it kind of does have the hallmarks of that and the biden campaign said why

don't you get more people who think that they put together this letter they got the 51 people to sign off on it they leaked it to politico politico ran with a headline that they still haven't corrected that said the hunter biden laptop is russian disinformation they you know changed it around like that um but that didn't take much for the biden campaign to doussian disinformation they you know changed it around like that um but that didn't take much for the biden campaign to do that they just had to reach out to a former intel guy who liked biden you know it was easy easy to manipulate the guy you know what i want to do i think we should literally do this uh maybe rasmussen would be down i would like to poll 3 000 people i want to do something robust i'll do 10 000 people i will pay this bill i want to i want to know who someone voted for who they're planning on voting for and then

ask a few other questions how old are you where do you work what's your income and the last one is do you experience inner monologue what about uh richard barris from people's pundit he's pretty i think we might need a bigger maybe but the the general idea is correlation between political party and whether or not someone has an inner monologue that's sort of interesting well what do you mean by that like think so there there uh i kind of don't even believe that people don't have an inner monologue how do you how could you not have an inner what does that mean yeah that mean? Yeah. This is a fascinating conversation. It's estimated between 50 and 75% of people do not have an inner monologue.

There's nothing happening in their brain. How could there be nothing happening in your brain? Well, there's something called aphantasia. That would sound kind of nice, to be honest, to experience for a couple hours. Sounds like pure hell. So aphantasia is the inability to visualize in your mind. There's also, so there's multiple,

there's many different ways of thinking uh just because you have an inner monologue doesn't mean you're inherently smart or anyone that's not even necessarily my point i'm interested in the correlation but i do think that uh lacking an inner monologue the voice in your head that that's the logical pathway so there are some people who think in in um abstracts there are uh the studies have been done they ask people like okay if you do not experience an inner monologue what what's in your mind and some people say i see i see things i see it all when when you say the dog jumped over the fence i don't hear words or a voice or anything i just see a dog jumping over a fence it's like oh okay you visualize

some people hear the words some people see the text it's a visual spatial thing some people have what they describe as like an abstract conceptual understanding that they don't even know how to describe there's no words and that they may be very smart who knows i mentioned in the correlation but uh i do think my my immediate assumption would be certainly someone could be very visual they could be very uh there's also feelings there, uh, there's also feelings. There's, there's, there's like, there's like four or five principle like thought processes that have been defined, but, um, the inner monologue is quite literally the process of logic. And so lacking that you may be able to paint the most beautiful picture, build the best engine. It's just

intrinsically understanding where parts go solve math problems maybe. But if you can't in your mind say, here are the words two plus two equals four, how do you build those logical pathways consistently and coherently? It doesn't mean it's not possible. I just think that the depth of someone without inner monologue will be substantially more shallow than someone with. That is to say, my bias would be, if you have in a monologue, it's probably X times Y, the ability to calculate logic to a certain degree. And if you do not have it, potentially a surface level, surface layer thinker. So what that means is, why is it that Democrats tend to not understand, hey, this guy was blowing the whistle and then died. If you're in your mind connecting dots, you can see here's the probability that this potentially

was not a suicide and is false. But if you do not have the ability to think in your mind words and have these thought patterns, you would just hear man committed suicide. You'd go, but he committed suicide. Right. There's another test that laura i think lauren chen tweeted out and it's um the question is if you did not eat breakfast yesterday how would you feel and i don't think it's a good i understand the point

of the question but i don't think it's i don't think that is a good question because i don't eat breakfast so my response would be like the same i don't eat breakfast what do you mean but that is the answer to the question the question is to determine whether or not you can understand conditional hypotheticals. People with very low IQs, they typically respond with but I did eat breakfast. That's the point. My buddy Andrew Wilson's been on whatever podcast. You gotta pull your

mic closer. Oh, sorry. My buddy Andrew Wilson's been on whatever podcast and he asked that question and rarely did the OnlyFans crowd able to answer that hypothetical. Really? What do you mean? What do they say stuff like, I did eat breakfast? That's what they said.

Really? You can check out their scripts. New studies. This is surface. OnlyFan girls understand conditional hypotheticals. But this is the issue. Perhaps,

not to sound like a dick, but maybe the culture war really is a divide between surface level, low IQ individuals and multidimensional thought processes and higher intellectual, higher IQ individuals. I think that's true on a lot of those. I think that's one of the reasons that you see people have really intense emotional reactions to things because they actually don't understand them.

So they feel threatened. And it's not actually a lot like if you understand it logically, you don't feel like threatening. But if you can't understand it, you're fearful. Well, I don't know. i don't know about this but what i do know is that it seems particularly with democrats these appeals to authority that they rely on like the entire bifurcation of us that said during lockdowns of covid like what are you doing this is predictably going to harm children predictably going to harm the economy and the other side said what do you mean you could do your own research trust the science like that is one of the starkest differences i think between

the population those that will accept anything that the establishment tells them and the irony is i feel like it was before the biggest vocal most vocal people against like the iraq war were a lot of left-wingers and i was a ron paul guy so i was against the iraq war as well but somehow one of the most impressive amounts of propaganda i've ever seen is that our intelligence agencies in eight years were able through obama and being mr war and then trump being someone who criticized the intel agencies we have taken the people that were the most vocal anti-military industrial complex anti-intel people and made them their biggest supporters. The people I used to march with against the Iraq war

say to me, how have you changed? You've changed so much. I still hate the military industrial complex. I still don't trust the CIA. Now they trust them implicitly. So that's generally true. And obviously, I mean, there's that old saying, when you're young and you have no brain,

you're a Democrat. And when you grow up, you have no heart and you're Republican, meaning like obviously more logical thinking lens. If you don't have if you're if you're not liberal, when you're young, you have no heart. And if you're not conservative, when you're old, you have no head. Yeah. OK. Yeah, that's it. And so and it's true. I mean, like typically, you know, Republican as in like conservative, you know, actual conservative policies, I think do have more logic behind their understanding. Um, in your terms of like appeal to authority, I think it's generally true, but I think there are, there are always examples that go the other

way. Like for example, Israel, the biggest, uh, anti, um, the biggest critics of this war are kind of coming from the left. I mean, there there there are some on the right and libertarian right but much of the right even the maga right is vehemently pro-israel like who like who what like like who who would you describe as a prominent personality bench appears the obvious one you have been for sure for sure i'm not saying you're wrong i'm saying like give us an example of like this faction bench appears the faction so i just went but he is jewish so there, is there, I was hanging around at CPAC and I mean like basically everyone at CPAC, like CPAC was, uh, there, there is actually a silent majority I found of like, um, MAGA conservatives who are, um, sick of Israel and, and actually big critics of Israel. I mean, a lot of MAGA conservatives are saying like, let's not give money to Israel.

Trump definitely is. Right. But I would say most, but but okay here's some examples matt schlapp um basically every republican in congress even the ones who i like like thomas massey and ran paul really aren't coming out and saying like criticizing the way israel is prosecuting this war in gaza thomas massey put up a little meme about zionism which was the best relative to the rest of republican congress but um israel's still under attack israel is still under attack yeah they're still under attack they're still being attacked by what well the missiles that are coming in yeah they're

intercepting almost all i think because they have a good defense system you're right correct about trump trump has been like i'm the most pro-israel but i think most of maga is like we don't care we don't want to be involved no i, I guess I agree with that. But there is a hard section. I mean, there were like, you know, there were Knesset members hanging out at CPAC. Well, I think like the traditional Republicans have always been very pro-Israel and are diehard. Like, I think Lauren Boebert said like something like, we're, it is the Holy Land and we stand with Israel.

Yeah, I was going to say, there are some evangelicals who feel a religious or cultural obligation to but the like that the run-of-the-mill working class maga people who are just like i've not been heard and trump speaking for me are like i don't want to spend money on this yep i don't care right it is not our problem i don't but we can talk to we're blue in the face about this religious war that's gone back forever i have my opinions if it was my family that was attacked on October 7th, I'll guarantee I would say we're not going far enough. As an outsider, my plan is quite simple. I could see Israel's done terrible things. I could see that Hamas has done even worse things. But I'm sorry, we have lost the credibility in the people that prosecute these wars in this

country and in our intelligence agencies. Okay, well well hamas has not killed more than like israel has just killed magnitudes more people than that might be true but i i i don't see how you could say it hamas has done worse things but according to gaza's health ministry according to gaza's health ministry which has a track record like going back the last three wars that they've had of having the exact same numbers, basically as Israel and the UN. I care. I care as much about the morality of Israel, Palestine, as I do about Burma and. Well,

I know exactly. And that is the position of most MAGA Republicans. The, the one argument I would make, and I was making this to some congressional staffers last night on of the MAGA wing, who their position is, we don't give any money,

but we don't want to be involved. I don't really care about the morality of the war. My, my, my argument to you, Tim, then would be, you might not care about the war, but Israel's not stopping. And pretty soon Iran or Lebanon might get involved. And when they do, you know, you know for sure that the Pentagon is going to back up Israel and then you will have just been roped into a war on Israel's behalf that Israel knows we're going to get roped into. And that's

why they're so brazen. I care as much about the morality of Israel, Palestine, as I do about China, Taiwan. And you know that when China makes their move finally to launch a, an incursion into Taiwan, the Pentagon is going to rope you in.

Yeah. Yes. Correct. Yeah. I get it. That's why I'm just anti-war generally. Yeah, I know.

But, and in that case, wouldn't you want to arrest the slide and say like, you know, Jesus, we have to stop funding Israel right now, but say it more like with more vigor and like, you know, no, we are on the border. Because my attitude is how about we stop funding all of it? Right. I'm not going to moralize Israel and be like, I'm going to say, yeah, why are we spending money anywhere?

Why aren't we securing our border? Who was it came on the show? They said Trump would win in a landslide. I think it was Dave Smith. If the, if the, the libertarians would all vote for Donald Trump. If he came out and said, every single one of our troops overseas will be brought here to guard our border. Yep.

You'd lose a bunch of the board, open border libertarians, but everybody would be like Trump. Yeah. And for sure. But, but so, but,

but Israel is, is intentionally dragging us into this war. And also Israel has, I think you got Israel derangement syndrome. Okay. Well, I, but I call it Israel, Palestine derangement. Okay. Well, I, but I call it Israel Palestine derangement. Okay. Well, so first of

all, Israel, this is on two separate, do you know the story of Israel wiretapping the white house and blackmailing Bill Clinton? No. Okay. Well, this is, this is, you can see this in the New York post. There's been two independently written books on this. Yeah. But I, do you know the story about the NSA wiretapping Angela Merkel? No. Okay, sure. I'm just saying. Look, look, look. I'm giving you examples. If Israel doesn't treat us like an ally, Israel ropes us into these things because they know

we're going to back them up. And we don't treat Germany like an ally, which is the point. No, I know. But you, but. Welcome to international espionage and warfare. But if you're America first, why would you want to get exploited into this war in the Middle East that you care so little about? Why are you trying to make me single on Israel when all of these other countries are doing

equally or worse things? Ethiopia, Afghanistanghanistan yemen because it's not hamas doesn't have a lobbying wing in dc yes it captures all your politicians i don't want to say her name no but hamas does not have that hamas doesn't have like millions of dollars coming in in capture your politicians the lobbying wing of hamas yeah who did say that i don't know it's true it's a funny joke but it's not true it's no i just think i think i think there's people who have israel palestine derangement syndrome the u.s spends a lot of money on ukraine and the amount of influence that israel has over our politicians and that it's dragging us into war we also spend like do you guys know the third country that we spend the most money on do you guys know the third country that we

spend the most money on do you guys know the third country that we the the country that is third in receiving the most us aid third behind israel what is it the third behind ukraine which is first then israel ethiopia i thought we're talking all the time we're talking about a current i'm talking about right now ethiopia afghanistan yemen egypt, Somalia. Do you know who actually, which country still has one of the highest payouts from the investments from the U.S. government is? I only learned this recently. Vietnam. Yeah. We stopped funding it for sure, but it received significantly more money than anything else.

Okay. So here's what I end up seeing. NATO has substantially more influence over our military policy. If you look at Libya, for instance, airstrikes, the United States interests in Libya turned into a slaver state, destabilized the country. I mean, if you look at the entirety of North Africa, we just use NATO as our justification to go to war. I mean, it's not we're we're pulling the strings of NATO. My point is, I would argue Israel is pulling a lot of our strings in terms of. No, I think you're wrong. I think we're pulling the strings of Israel. My point is, I would argue, Israel is pulling a lot of our strings in terms of foreign policy.

No, I think you're wrong. I think we're pulling the strings of Israel. That's the real, that's really what's going on because Israel is an intelligence and military asset for us in the Middle East. So when we are staging-

But how is it an asset if they've gotten us into all the major conflicts No, no, those are our wars. Those are our wars. Okay. See, NATO's not getting us involved in things. We're getting NATO involved in things

and Israel's not. You see my point? I agree on NATO. I don't agree on Israel. There are some Americans. Your position makes no sense. Okay, there are some. But I mean, like the founding neocons who, you know, the PNAC group, those guys were

Americans, but they basically did all that for Israel. So I think Australia is roping us into this war with China. Why are we sending in ships and personnel to Australia? In 2002, Tim. Did they even send us any kangaroos what is this you guys know about what's going on with australia and china right yeah they're having big issues and that's why we sold australia a whole bunch of like weapons weapons and stuff like that and there's food issues and dairy issues it's it's been wild it's been going so when i went uh 10 years ago to new zealand i started learning about the conflict between australia and china new New Zealand is partially involved in and the things China's been doing in this region of the

world is massive. I mean, they're building these naval bases and air force bases on the atolls. They're manufacturing islands to establish power. They're sinking Vietnamese vessels. I mean, the threat here is tremendous and Taiwan is roping us into it. I think the real issue is Taiwan, China. Why are we involved in this? Do you know what's going on with China and Taiwan and how much money we spend and how many personnel we have in Taiwan? I think the Taiwanese are lobbying us so that they can get us involved in their regional conflict.

I agree. And there is some of that. But the reality, like you must know this. I mean, the reality in terms of dollar value, the reality in terms of espionage leverage, like Jeffrey Epstein, who I would imagine you would agree has a lot of links to Mossad and is likely a Mossad asset. I'll tell you what I think. Do you think that?

I think that the obsession with Israel undermines the foreign policy argument that I and many other libertarians have. It's not an obsession with Israel. I mean, we just talked about planes for 30 minutes. Israel is number one. Ukraine is. In terms of all-time funding, it dwarfs Ukraine. See, Ukraine lobby, the president is coming here and demanding we pay for his war.

Yes, and so did the president of Israel in 2000. And guess who's number one? Ukraine! Ukraine is number one. Right now it's Ukraine. So why do you worry about number two because in all because it's been it's been i mean this is a decades long thing and if you go back decades okay but wait i have a question for you right so if my position is we

should stop sending money to all these people and you're like i don't understand what your criticism is it's like no i agree with that but wait wait but you seem to be saying but it's something more we have to take palestine side my point is what're saying, sort of what we would call non-unique in that you're saying, but if we don't do that, then the shady people in Washington right now will exploit that situation via Israel and get us into war. Ukraine is dragging us into World War III. Vladimir Putin over the Donbass is saying, if the West intervenes directly with troops, we will use nukes. And Macron is saying, I don't care. He's not he's doubling down, saying we will go to war for Ukraine. Ukraine being the largest

recipient of U.S. aid with their president coming to our country and directly lobbying us to pay their bills. And you're going, but Israel, but Israel. No, I totally agree on Ukraine. I don't care about Israel. OK, but I like Ukraine is probably more dangerous because of because of the nuclear factor. But the difference is, if you go to the Maidan revolution, that was our coup. Ukraine is our,

there's probably some, you know, there might be some relations back and forth, there's some blackmail back and forth, but that was our coup that started this civil war that now we're dealing with the consequences.

I am as concerned with Israel-Palestine as I am with Ukraine-Russia and China-Taiwan. Even though it could get us dragged into a war with Iran, which might happen very soon. War with Russia is worse than war with Iran. I agree. They're both

terrible. So why are you bringing up Israel? Because, as I just said, Ukraine is our client state where we overthrew their government and started a civil war in the Donbass which led to this conflict today. Israel is the opposite. Israel is a situation where they have a lot of in the Donbas, which led to this conflict today. Israel is the opposite. Israel is a situation where they have a lot of influence over our country,

whether it be through blackmail or through fanatical Zionists who are Americans in our country. But let me give you one anecdote. After 9-11, which we could also analyze some aspects of 9-11, after 9-11, 2002, before we invade Iraq, Netanyahu testifies on the house floor and just brazenly saying you can pull up the video in fact I'll send it to you um he says there is no doubt Iraq has weapons of mass destruction and he's schmoozing the congressman he's like referencing the movie The Great Escape and he's doing it very charming and

he's he's blatantly saying he has nuclear facilities hidden underground. I get it. I get it. I need regime change. You know, yeah, the U.S. needs to enact regime change. When Zelensky comes here. No, but the difference. No, no, no, no, no.

Zelensky right now is doing these things and you're obsessed with Israel. I regard them the same. Tim, I was obsessed with Ukraine, too, last year. I mean, that's what we talked about last time I came on. It's the same thing. It's the United States government. I the united states government dragged into unnecessary wars and and you know i'll and so you brought up israel yes because israel is about to get us into a war with iran or lebanon and ukraine is about to get us into a war with russia and taiwan's about to get us into a war with with

uh yes and and i'm worried about all those things but why can't so the position is general anti-war but i what I see is you've got people who have Israel-Palestine derangement syndrome, where no matter what's going on, this for some reason trumps literally everything else. Quite literally when Ukraine is the largest recipient of the point A right now, and we're

facing the direct threat from a world leader with nuclear weapons, you're saying, but maybe Iran? And I'm like, Russia literally said he'll nuke us if he has to. Well, no, I agree. The Russia thing the russia thing is terrifying but let's focus on what in terms of the magnitude of death israel gaza war far surpassed uh russia ukraine war and i don't care about it seems if you're paying attention though to the winds of change it does what does that mean hold on why are you bringing up a moral point there's nothing to do with this country no tim i'm saying the point you're obsessed i was about to get to the point of that of the country

which is that you can you can kind of see the national security state shifting its attention to to israel how many children have died in yemen it looks like we're moving focus away from ukraine thankfully but sadly it's to support how many children have died in yemen uh i think like over half a million and it's and that's another the reporting the actual number no i i believe it's over 500 000 is it not so uh it's it's it well define define uh those deaths some of those might be from hunger but that's for the saudi arabia's war it's like 120k oh okay well i i heard over 500 000 that might have been from starvation things like that you're talking about saudi arabia's war in yemen right with u.s support and weapons correct also a horrible thing which the saudis actually finally backed off of

and now we're now we're again bombing yemen because of the houthis thing with because of israel again so we finally ended that war and now it started again because because of israel wait wait wait we were involved in uh helping saudi arabia we were launching airstrikes and commando raids in yemen basically well before october 7th i know i know and then when the houthis who we've been in conflict with the whole time start attacking us again and we attack them you're like but now it's israel no no the saudi the saudis had had briefly paused their their war in yemen yes the conflict between us and the houthi rebels and the iranian uh militias and all that stuff has been going on well before october october 7th no i know but before october 7th but you're saying now israel's done it saudi saudi and yemen's had had a peace deal they had they had

a ceasefire my point is it reignited now now we are the ones bombing yemen directly maybe it's iran was before it was south to palette to to uh gaza which resulted in the October 7th attacks, which triggered the war. And it's their fault. I just don't, for me, I don't. Yeah, but that's just pure speculation. If October 7th didn't happen, we would not be here. So you're saying it's Israel's fault. I'm like, but Israel got attacked and retaliated.

You can argue the retaliation is over the top, but they didn't start the war. Okay, but we both agree we shouldn't be involved. But if you want to go and assess the entire Israel-Palestine conflict, I mean, you go back to like pre-1940s, and it's obvious like who the aggressor was in that situation, who took the land. Well, you know, Hamas didn't start planning this until Biden came into office. No, no, no, no.

I'm attacking your position where I believe you're obsessed with Israel for some reason. It's just one of many conversation topics. Tell me about Burma. I don't know about Burma. Why not? Because are we involved in Burma? Is there a potential nuclear escalation path with the conflict in Burma? There is.

I only care if my country is getting involved. Tell me about Kashmir. And especially if my country is backing the side. Tell me about Kashmir. This is all I don't get. This is what confuses me about this. If I'm on your side of this, and let let's say I'm guessing you think morally Palestine is more justified than Israel.

That's fine. Tim and I are basically saying we don't care. There's bad shit that occurs all throughout the world. We should not be involved. And you somehow seem to be saying before the show started, you were all on board. No, no, no. You should help me out because you had a lot of good facts. Right.

But this is what I'm saying. Right. Like I'm on your side in that. And I even told you this. I said, you should be happy with me because my position is as some redneck that's concerned about what's happening in my neck of the woods. I don't give a shit to go through a 2000 year history of religions fighting. All I'm saying is don't get involved.

I don't understand. I was trying to make the case of that. The Israeli government is dragging us into war. Tim is correct. The Ukrainian government is also dragging us into war. So is the Taiwanese. Israel has by far the most robust lobbying apparatus. And as we know from the whole Epstein saga, in addition to lobbying, they have this espionage apparatus that blackmails our politicians and forces us into war.

So my point is I don't like any of these countries that are dragging us into war. Right. And especially Israel's, which is far more powerful and has far more influence so my my view is proven from basically all our middle east interventions um which are all centered around i think protecting israel you uh i think this is a bias and obsession i think that if you analyze what's going on with israel one could equally make the argument that the U.S. manipulates Israel as a puppet state in the Middle East for control, military weapons development, computer chips particularly, so that when it comes to the conflict in the Middle East, we have a

massive base of operations. The U.S., and I think the evidence for this is the Iraq and Afghanistan wars, we pulled the map here. For people who don't know geography and i'm not trying to be mean uh people don't realize that we decide hey we got to invade iraq and we got to invade afghanistan and we got to build a bunch of military bases here and what is in the middle of these two countries iran it has been explicitly stated for a long time that our goal is to go after iran and we have an ally in the region they scream it to the high heavens israel's our ally in the region. It's our ally in the region. It is a weapons manufacturer. It's one of the best in security and weapons technology. And we utilize this as a staging base of operations. Then people come out like you and say, but Israel's controlling us. And I'm like, dude,

the U.S. military industrial complex is not just the United States. It's also NATO. The massive empire that is the military industrial complex is not a puppet of Israel. No, Tim, you missed part of my point, which is that there are guys like PNAC. There are these hardcore American Zionists who push it. We push it intentionally. And I'm sure there's some back and forth where we have leverage on them and pull the strings but to deny israel's influence over u.s politics compared to ukraine's influence or taiwan's influence i think is a bit silly i mean so the point i'm making is it is an assumption that people in the u.s are like oh no israel's telling us what to do and not we agree with them we want our military presence there there's some of that but like you had like i mean do you agree that epstein was likely a massad asset i

mean i don't i have no idea okay well you should look into that because he was blackmailing he was blackmailing politicians for the benefit of israel he worked for leslie wexner who leslie wexner is openly a massive zionist very powerful but what i'm saying is it is bias to say israel controls us instead of we are aligned i said i said both that's why i brought up pnac there are there are people in the u.s government who are very powerful they were much more powerful during the bush administration but they were i see no voluntarily between nato and israel and like okay but but well but nato clearly is just is just the u.s arm that clearly define that how they can start unconstitutional because

we always use it to start unconstitutional wars like in iraq and stuff and nato i mean we're obviously the biggest you know country in nato it's it's i don't disagree with you i think apac is lobbying undue influence i agree with all that the only thing that the tension i'm getting you tell me if i'm reading this situation wrong let's say tim and i get our way and we're like we stop sending money all these places heck i pull out of nato i'd want nato disbanded let's say that happens and i just say i don't care israel palestine i'm both we can sit two people here and argue till they're i'm also forgetting out of nato okay but but here's my question to you are you saying beyond stop sending money all these places you would also want the u.s to proactively work against israel for

the abuses you think they're committing in Palestine? No, I mean, no, of course. Well, what I would I would first of all, I agree with all of you that I would take all foreign aid off the table. But I mean, as the U.S., as like the big superpower, I would negotiate a ceasefire or work out some deal for a lasting peace. I mean, and Trump tried to do that. And there's a great clip of Trump after he was out of office. He's being interviewed for his book and he's talking about meeting Netanyahu and Abbas, the head of the PLO in the West Bank. And he says very candidly, he says, you know, I got a really good feeling about Abbas. He was kind of like a father figure. And I really got the sense he wanted to work out a deal. Within five minutes of talking to Netanyahu, I realized he had no intention of ever making a deal within five minutes of talking to netanyahu i realized he had no intention of ever making a deal so trump just very candidly kind of said you know who's really the ones who don't want to make a peace deal and we pay the price for this both economically and with our you know and potentially um the u.s militarily has wanted to control the middle east for a very very long time i agree

but i'm saying trump actually tried to make peace. And the one he said was the problem was Netanyahu. I get it. So he asked me what my position would be, and it would be to sue for peace. And don't send money to anyone. And the point I'm making is one could equally argue that Netanyahu defying Trump, much like the deep state defied Trump. And Netanyahu aligned with establishment forces in this country. You oppose the deep state.

When people come out and they go, it's Israel making us do these things. I'm like, no, Israel's a puppet state of the United States. I think you're kind of, I mean, I agree with you. I think it goes both ways, but I think you're very under appreciating the Israel's influence. It goes both ways in that what I actually think is

there is no both ways. It's one entity. The military industrial complex. I mean, obviously, but even within the military industrial complex, there's people who agree and disagree. Sure, sure. But what I'm saying is

NATO, Israel, the US, Australia, the Five Eyes Spy Club, there's no one way about it or the other. There's no, they're controlling us, no, we're controlling them. It's their two brothers sitting there smoking joints together in total agreement on everything. And to argue that one brother made the other brother smoke pot is ridiculous.

They're sharing the joint they bought together. Well, I mean, but okay, you're kind of just asserting this, but, but even, you know, if that's the case, there are, and you just acknowledge there are disagreements, but you know, I'm just asserting, this is a funny thing for you to say when you're, I'm literally arguing that's what you're doing. But you're asserting, I'm trying to give you some points here. You're saying they are lobbying us and controlling us. It's all kumbaya when it gets up there.

I think there's different factions. No, I'm saying. There's like Bush. There's one military industrial complex. There's the Bushes who are very Zionist. There's Biden who is clearly Zionist. I'm done. You guys are obsessed with this stuff.

Dude, I'm not obsessed with Israel. What are you talking about? You have an Israel affliction. Because there's a massive war that I'm paying for and that we might get involved in a bigger war. And there's so much more stuff going on in the world you can't tell me about because you are so obsessed. I can't take Israel-Palestine.

I am a foreign policy guy, but I don't... Okay, tell me about the history of China and Taiwan. Let's start talking about that. How many people are at risk? How many people live on the island? How many troops are there? How much have we spent so far? Okay, I know more about Ukraine, but I think in Taiwan, I think we have like 120 troops stationed there. 120?

That's the last time I checked. Have we increased? Is it over 200 now? It might be over 200. And it's a bad thing. We should not have U.S. troops there as a trigger point to go to World War III with a direct nuclear power. Oh, that one says only 30 troops. Okay, well, maybe they swap them out. But I know at one point they put in like a surge of 100.

What lobbying groups exist for Taiwan? Well, I mean, there are think tanks that are super hawkish against China. Like who? Well, like the CSsis and like the council on foreign relations these guys are kind of just inherently those are those are generic terms everybody knows those guys no i know like we know apac everyone can bring up apac what's taiwan's uh i actually don't know the name of taiwan's but i would say there are groups like that and there are groups like the epoch times where i used to work which is you know claims to be a media

outlet but it is basically not a Taiwan lobbying group, but it's an anti-CCP lobbying group. So I, you know, I don't exactly know what your, what your, the point of your line of questioning is. My point is to a hammer, everything looks like a nail. You live in Israel world. I think there's tons of other military conflicts in the world that are deeply pressing.

And last year, all I could talk about was Ukraine. This one's a little more pressing now. I don't, I'm not like, I just don't really understand your point. You keep just saying like, you're obsessed. We should stop talking about it. But yeah. Yeah. Israel today, right now, you're obsessed with America. So don't you not want you? I live in America. Yeah. And don't you want the U S not to be dragged into another position? At least if we could stop the hyper focus and obsession on one tiny ass country and focus on the full scale problem, the people who

you're bashing as obsessed with Israel are the only ones right now pushing back against it. You've already made a bunch of moral arguments over the deaths in Gaza. Because it is a moral atrocity. I don't really know. Obsession. How many children have died in Ukraine? Fewer than in Gaza.

How many? I don't know the number of children. You don't even know the number of the most pressing conflict right now. Fewer children have died in Ukraine than in Gaza. How many in Gaza? I don't know. I could look it up. I would have known it last, a couple months ago when I was more focused on this. How many in Gaza?

In Gaza, okay, it's like 30k are the official numbers. It's probably higher than that. Official from who? From the Gaza Health Ministry, which yes, is run by Hamas, but they do have a track record of being in line with Israel's numbers. Now, considering we spend something like 12,000. Now, considering we spend substantially more money right now on Ukraine and we're being directly threatened by probably the most powerful nuclear nation on the planet, I'd like to know how many children have died in Ukraine. Why don't you know the answer?

Have you asked yourself that? I used to know well i don't know if i ever bifurcated between children and adults but i used to know yes the the the ukraine civilian death count which is whether i think below i think it's below 10 000 i could be wrong on that but i think it's about 11 400 okay i don't care one way or the other i don't i don't know why it is that you have made a moral argument to me over the atrocities of gaza and you don't know about ukraine because me that signifies you don't actually care about international conflict yes i do tim no you're upset with israel but the people making the moral arguments if you want to get something if you want to you know convince a politician to stop supporting a certain policy sometimes you have to make the

moral argument which is like that's what the left is doing right now and i'm not a leftist but i do actually appreciate that the left is out there protesting because it's putting pressure on Biden. Every time Blinken walks out of his house, Code Pink and all those, you know, left wing feminist protesters are pouring red paint on his sidewalk and they're screaming at him. And that's adding pressure. No, I disagree. If I says five hundred and forty five children. That's that's that's not in Ukraine. Ukraine.

No, but that's children. That's that's you. I'm just saying if ukraine no but that's children that's that's unit i'm just saying if you wanted a number you said 11 000 civilians i thought you were talking about yeah yeah so that's why but i asked children children in gaza but listen that's not gaza that's ukraine no that's ukraine i know i'm asking how many how many how many children in gaza i think it's like because i think it's about 12 000 or more because you made a moral argument to to me about the atrocities of of gaza and when i ask you about the atrocities of ukraine you don't know no tim you i mean you put me on the spot like what's the

exact number yeah dude i tracked ukraine very closely now calm down here's the point here's the point okay the most pressing conflict on earth right now is ukraine emmanuel macron now let me finish emmanuel macron just came out down again, following the third or fourth threat of nuclear force against NATO. And Macron said, we don't care. We will not lose. And he has called for, in the event we need to, NATO troops deployed into Ukraine. Putin again responded, we are ready and willing to use nukes against you.

This is the most money we're spending.elensky is coming directly to our country we're spending hundreds of billions of dollars on this war it is the most most pressing thing and you're going but the children of gaza the moral atrocities well because israel has a potential path to escalation as well i mean like okay now here's my point iran might have some nuclear capabilities like a dirty bomb or something i mean things could get very ugly with iran too and maybe maybe what if what if maybe iran might get involved if dude i mean if just said if this keep but i know but if this keeps going you know that okay if they get now now here's the point vladimir putin the president but i agree with you so the the leader of a nation which has more nuclear weapons than anybody else

has threatened to use them against us. But why, have you not asked yourself why it is you know more about Israel when Iran has not directly, doesn't even have a name? No, I actually, if you actually quizzed me on it,

I probably know more about Ukraine. Like I was saying, the last two years, I have been all focused on Ukraine. It's literally one of the reasons that motivated me into journalism and then Epoch Times hired me and then I would go to the state department and the pentagon and ask

every single day i was the only journalist in the pentagon and state department criticizing the ukraine war you get like not many people follow me but you can ask them it was all i was obsessed with ukraine i had ukraine obsessions if i can last year man i did if i can get in here real quick this one seems more pressing because it seems hotter and also the national security seems to be pivoting to this one you don't you don't think listen can i can i get in here real quick and this one seems more pressing because it seems hotter and also the national security it seems to be pivoting to this one it's not you don't you don't think listen can i can i get in for a second let me say that ukraine is having trouble for the first time getting funding because the focus is on israel listen i think the fundamental problem is hopefully winding down because of the israel war one second please i think the problem is you are overselling

this you are talking past the sale and i can tell you exactly when you've done it you know from the conversation we had before this we're literally like yeah we hear you on israel we shouldn't be sending money to them right but you keep going and here's where you make a mistake right you're like well it's like these code pink people and they're doing a lot no that's the exact opposite average real quick average people that are sick and tired of financing these foreign wars, buy that argument. When you say, and these people that you see blocking roads and cutting paintings and acting like spoiled brats, they're helping the cause. They're not. Take the win when you got it.

We're saying don't send the money to Israel. That's what we're saying. Okay, I'll calm down. I actually agree with the first point you made that I'm overselling it to you guys. And it's actually probably making you more annoyed with my more annoyed with my what i said in the very beginning well so but if if i could if i could just add to the code pink people i disagree when you come to the code pink people sure if you're blocking a road and you're pissing off guys driving in traffic what are you really helping but if you're going outside blinken's house which they are doing that does add pressure to blinken and

they do see that they're losing the progressive left, like in states like Michigan, where there's a huge Muslim population. Those things, I think, actually do add pressure. I agree with you. Like, you know, since we already agree, I probably didn't need to. Yeah, which was your point about me making the moral case for no reason. That could have an effect. I mean, I think a lot of people argue it better than me.

I'm not much of a public speaker, to be completely honest. So I hear you. I mean, I'm working on it. But anyway, this is the conversation we've had with ian a lot because the first thing i try to do whenever someone comes up to me and talks to me about israel is i immediately just say like how many people have died in ukraine and they can't answer and i say how many people have what's what what's the current amount of dead in burma i don't know okay well let's talk about sudan well i don't know about it but we've been fun the united know okay well let's talk about sudan well i don't know about it but we've been fun the united states has been funding the conflict in sudan well let's talk

about somalia i don't know okay now ask yourself the simple question why don't you know and i'm not i'm not telling you you're not allowed like you're absolutely allowed to focus on israel when ben shapiro comes out and says israel this israel that i'm like well he's an orthodox jewish man i i absolutely understand why he's deeply concerned about literally the only state that the only jewish state on the planet i can understand his his sentiment as for an american who's talking about foreign policy i i have to ask you why it is there's a video of a woman she goes into the camera screaming she's like why don't you care about gaza it's like she's got some kind of derangement over this and the issue is but in terms of magnitude

of death it is the highest of those i don't care of those examples you just mentioned i'm saying but but some people more more children have died in yemen because of the saudi the u.s funded saudi conflict and i did know about the yemen who cares and part of part of the yemen thing is just that like the media for whatever reason didn't cover it so that's you know that's you're right that's that's why but in terms of those conflicts you just mentioned besides yemen which ended uh at least saudi arabia's persecution of it um it you might not care but there are people who do care about innocent life and you know it's the greatest magnitude and therefore it's the greatest uh urgency to be upset about i think take like i understand what you're saying that there might other be people that need you know convinced in

other ways for me this is the simplest argument when we take these moral stances these are the sort of things that our intelligence agencies end up doing we're in a military alliance of nato right and in that alliance we are honor bound and treaty bound to defend any nato country correct so we've stationed nuclear weapons in the country of turkey meanwhile we're in syria bombing ass, and we're told that we can't leave Syria to the point where the generals committed treason, as far as I'm concerned, and lied to Donald Trump when he tried to pull out. Because the argument is, if we leave Syria, our ally, the Kurds, will have genocide committed on them by our ally, the Turks, who we've given nuclear weapons. Now, how does that apply to what we're saying? I don't care about who's right or wrong in these

conflicts. You might be 100% right. And I do have sympathy that I think Israel's gone too far. I also think Hamas sucks. We talked about it. They could be trying to target the leadership of Hamas. Instead, they seem to be more interested in bombing. But the point is, I'm so sorry. I've lost my compassion for having to pretend to care about this stuff. It's not that I don't have a big heart. I do. It's that I know that that's used to take advantage of me and other americans to get us involved in these quagmires and so the stance i've taken until we could trust that's my point though well i understand the side that's dragging us into the quagmire is israel it's not hamas

there's no hamas lobbying sector no one's saying we should start sending weapons but it doesn't matter who's dragging us into me and i understand And I understand you might. To you and to other people. Why does it matter? You have to know who to oppose because it depends on who's dragging you in. Let me finish. It doesn't matter to me because my answer is, stop giving them all money. And you could be like, yeah, but Israel's really bad. Right. We're not giving them money anymore. Right. So I agree and I think different arguments work on different people.

A fiscal argument might work more for certain conservatives, but a moral argument might work more for someone in the Biden administration. So I don't see why you can't attack it on both sides. So how many people died in Sudan in the last year? I don't know. And I, you know, you got me on this one. How much has the US government given

to the government of Sudan in this, pre this conflict and now moving into 2020, 24? I don't know. I don't see an escalation path for nuclear war in Sudan. So it doesn't, you know, shock me that much. And so here's, here's, I agree.

Like you got me there, man. I, but I don't, but I also don't support sending money to the Sudanese government and I don't support the war there. 850 million obligated in 2022 to Sudan. The war in Sudan, the current war in Sudan

is 2023 to the present, though there is ongoing Sudanese conflict that we've been involved in. And the casualty, the dead dead up to 13 to 15,000 with 33,000 additional injured, injured. And I don't know why we gave them a billion, near a billion dollars. And in 2023, we don't have the final numbers from foreignassistance.gov, but Sudan, I believe it's at what? 400 million. Let me see if this thing loads. $642 million amidst this civil war. Why is the U.S. involved?

It must be the Sudanese lobby coming to the United States and insisting that we give them money, isn't it? No, but Tim, it's not that I'm hypothesizing that there is an Israeli lobby. There is one, and it's AIPAC, and it has billions of dollars that it funds to all these different politicians, and you won't have a hard time getting people like Ron Johnson or Rand Paul or Thomas Massey to criticize the war in Sudan.

You will actually get the hard time, even with those guys who have high integrity, in my opinion, to come out vehemently and criticize the Israeli government. But also, it's fewer deaths and it's less money. So you have your answer right there. There's a reason Israel is more pressing. And it's because we're sending them more money and more innocent people are dying i mean for me it just feels like we have such a problem with corruption and getting involved with these wars in this country it seems like this entire 30 minute conversation is sort of irrelevant in that we should be focusing on the agreement that we're all agreeing to stop sending the money and what

happens is when we get drug into the but israel is more immoral i could easily push back and say but here's certain things and then we get involved in this what i see is an unnecessary conversation for the people that we're trying to reach at this moment granted if we're sitting at the table with a bunch of lefties or we're sitting at the table with a bunch of like evangelicals that think we need to defend israel because you know the resurrection is coming then yes your argument people do yeah your argument changes when it comes to land but i I think that we're spending a lot of time disagreeing on something that we're basically all agreeing on 95% of what we're talking about.

The frustrating thing to me is that there are people who live in this world where Israel is the cause of literally everything. That's true. And, you know, I've talked about during Occupy Wall Street, that story I tell quite a bit where the guy stands up and yells, what's wrong with you people? It is fracking. I've heard that story. And just to be clear,

that is not me. I am not one of these people that thinks like Israel and especially like the people who are literally anti-Semitic and they think the Jews are doing it. I am not one of these people that think the Jews get us into every conflict.

You said that before the show you were talking about this. Yeah, and those people are stupid and wrong because you create a barrier for Jewish people who might be critics of Israel to come on board and join your cause. So I just want to be clear I'm not one of those people.

Tim, sorry. We're going to go to Super Chats. We're going to read the Super Chats from the audience, so get your Super Chats in now because I guarantee you disagree with at least someone here so far, because no one's going to agree with everything. Smash the like button, subscribe to this channel, share the show with your friends. It is such an amazing night out the weather was so awesome

it was a beautiful day yeah amazing it was 80 degrees yesterday out here in a good old west virginia it's spring for sure i'm really excited our cherry tree has begun to flower so cherry blossoms it's beautiful but uh become a member at timcast.com and buy cast brew coffee at castbrew.com let's read your super chats. Clint Torres says, howdy, people. Right on. Raymond G. Stanley Jr. says, Tim, today's culture war was good. Never heard the guys, but I liked their words. Rob nailed it.

Why people love Trump. First person to acknowledge rural folk even exist and are important to our nation. I'm not surprised. Raymond G. Stanley Jr. is a PA guy like you. Awesome. His bias is what you're saying. This isn't even real. He's just into Pennsylvania.

You guys all have this club. I'll take it, yeah. Kalashnikov says, Tim, please look into the story of the eighth graders in Connecticut being criminally charged over edgy speech. Truly despicable. Have you guys seen that story? I haven't seen it. I'm going to check it out.

Frey Kane says, took fluoxetine. Is that it? As a kid, gave me some nerve, gave me some severe side effects, suicidal thoughts, and extreme antisocial behavior. That was next.

Misdiagnosed with bipolar and stopped after 10 years. Wow. Brandon Norton says, I hope you guys are going to talk about the guy from Boeing who unalived himself and after was on his way back

for a third day. Yep. Yep. Kendall Bird says, sorry for the loss of mr bocus is there a plan for the successor to the mascot of timcast well my idea was that we get another cat and we name him snowball too oh that's cute yeah and because uh do you guys understand that reference simpsons that's right simpsons yeah so uh we've never had a snowball one and i was like we can't name another cat bocas so we'll get a cat called snowball two as the joke which is also a simpsons reference i think it's cute snowball two um and it seems like most people are now asking for another cat because

everyone loved mr bocas the funny thing is he destroyed everything and he pissed literally everywhere he hated using a litter box and it's like how he just had so much love it's just i'm sure i'm pretty sure this we're gonna find piss from him somewhere and go, how did he get in here? I was a fan. He was an honorable cat, you know, a true statesman, if you will. But he had some flaws, I will say. And it was really unpleasant to walk up to your desk and realize that he had peed either on it or near it. Or I think he got trapped in Carter Rinks' studio one time.

Yeah, he pooped everywhere. And he like pooped everywhere. Like, look, look, look. He was an extreme terrorist in some circumstances. And we don't know how he got in Carter's studio. No, it doesn't make any sense.

And also, you know, praise be to Bogus, but they were cons. There were some rough times. Before he was sick, he found a way to get into the walls. Yeah.

I mean, he did all kinds of crazy stuff. He was a crafty feller. I like when he would come onto the show and prevent me from camera switching because his tail has just hit me in the face. I'm pretty sure that in the walls, he's probably pissed, and we'll never find it,

and no one ever will, and it'll be like 40 years later, someone will be remodeling, and they'll go, what the? It's like a stain. And I'm pretty sure within the next few weeks or months, we are going to go into an unused closet be like remodeling and they'll go what though it's like a stain like and i'm pretty sure within the next few weeks or months we are going to go into like an unused closet or something and just

realize there's you know piss somewhere and that's what he did uh seamus the new cat seamus one not seamus two that in great uh seamus one uh does not the cat is called seamus one yes so seamus one is a good dude and he's he's our new cat we rescue he was living in our garage he was less than a year old when we found him Libby really is loving this that's just so funny well yeah Seamus two is the cartoonist he's gonna hate tweet at you after this sorry Seamus is just really you mean Seamus 2 or you're positive the cat I'm now confused well the issue is Seamus 2 was never here right yeah so we're not gonna call him Seamus 2 how could he be Seamus 1 if he's never around yeah exactly the cat is Seamus 1 um he's a good dude

he doesn't pee everywhere and uh which one I'm now confused again Seamus 2 it was funny because we were hanging out and I mentioned passively, like, we had a guest over, like, they were getting ready for the show. And I was like, oh, we got to bring in Seamus to get his balls chopped off. And then the guest started laughing. And then I was just like, yeah. And he was like, really? Seamus? And I was like, yeah, we have him sleeping in the garage, but he's got to go get his

balls chopped off before he can come in the house. And then he laughed. And I was like, I'm not joking. He was like, what? And I was like what and i was like i'm talking about the cat so we have removed his ability to reproduce i'm pretty sure uh seamus one has siblings all over the area though so he was living in a garage and then we trapped him caged him stockholm syndromed him and then removed his testicles and now he has a house cat who very much enjoys his new existence though it is the end of his bloodline but in the middle of the night you can hear a

female cat in heat screaming and i'm like the mama cat didn't have one baby she probably had a bunch of babies and then they grew up and they're all over somewhere yeah the female cat screaming in heat is really that'll keep you up nights they They scream. It sounds like a person, too. I mean, it freaks you out. Someone's being murdered. Also, the way, never mind. Are you still thinking about, which Seamus are you thinking about, one or two? No, no.

It was, it was, it was, um, be testicled cats. Ah, yes. Let's, oh, the spritzing. Uh, here we go. Juan Castle says, uh, first, any tips, fellas, for working in high-stress work? It depends on the work, I guess. Stress ball. You just squeeze it hard.

You get angry. You know, I got to be honest. People always said, Drums are so great because you get all your stress out. And I was like, I have never felt relief from physically striking something. Punching a pillow or squeezing a ball. That doesn't do anything for me.

I don't know. For me, my advice on work is as follows. Either get a job that you hate and pays you tons of money so you can live the exact life you want when you're not at work or get a job that you love that makes enough so you can eat. So if you're in a high stress job and it's not paying you enough. Why are those the only options?

Well, what do you want to do? You're not a man. You don't understand. It's not easy to get a job that you hate that pays you a lot. Because to get a job that pays you a lot, you have to do well at it. And to do well at something, you have to like it at least a little. Yeah, it's true. But I think a lot of people get stuck in jobs that they hate. And it doesn't pay much.

Yeah, but probably it doesn't pay much because you're working a job you hate. Like, how are you ever going to advance if you're just like, God damn, I got to get out of here. Yeah, I think if you want to de-stress, libby's point you actually you do have to advance so if you are in a job that you hate and it pays poorly what i would do and it's not going to be an immediate fix but like go like get a side hustle but like not like a stupid you know like that i don't know that phrase sounds stupid but i mean like go like i kind of i didn't have a journalism background but i kind kind of DM'd my way and worked my way into journalism by writing op-eds and things. Do something like that where you're building something you are passionate about, and results will ease that stress for you when you actually get another job with something you like or something like that.

But hone your skills, become smarter, and, you know, that's really probably the only way to get out of it. The cryogenic drummer says, try a workout, Tim. We have recently, I've recently hired a personal trainer and we're also doing work personal training sessions once a week. And because I skate all the time, so I got great legs, but I have zero upper body. And so I was like, I've literally never done it. And, you know, I was talking to the most trusted health professional in media, Joe Rogan, of course. And he told me I had to lift.

He's like, you got to start lifting, bro. I was like, you got to do it. Keeps you young and all this other stuff. And I was like, okay, so now I'm doing lifting and stuff. And that makes you feel so good. It's indescribable. You know, I think the thing that never really got me when people were saying stuff like do exercise and lift is they always just be like, Oh yeah, it's so good for you. I'm like,

it makes you feel euphoric. Like for, for like the hour or two after you're floating, it's, it's remarkable. And then the next day you wake up just feeling really good. Well, in the words of Elle Woods,

you know, exercise gives you endorphins and endorphins make you happy and happy. People don't kill their husbands. So that's true. That's great. That's right. Let's go richard cranium says tim can i get a shout out for my son clayton almost shared your birthday born march

8th wow at 2 14 your talks on creating culture and shade trees made me realize children are how we make lasting change that is correct and then i always recommend do not underestimate your children children are not stupid they have just not been programmed. So when you buy a brand new computer and it's got, you know, 10 terabytes or however many terabytes you put in it, the computer is no less good of a computer because you've never installed video games on it.

You guys just got to do the work to install all the programs in the video games. So the mistake a lot of parents I see make is, I remember I was asking someone about their kid and if they're teaching a math or anything ah he's not ready for that he's not smart enough and i was like he won't be smart enough if you don't start teaching him he's definitely not now here's here's what happens uh people always have this incorrect statement the incorrect statement that it is easier for

children to learn language that's just ridiculously not true they're like oh it's easier for kids to learn how to speak a language and i'm, the child is surrounded by people speaking and it takes them a couple of years to learn to speak. And they're still not articulate. A human being, an adult human can become fluent in a row. If you have a European based language, romance or Germanic, it takes an estimate. I believe it's 44 weeks of training to become fluent, conversational in everything. And if you are European and trying to learn an Asian language, Japanese, Chinese, Korean, Thai, etc., it takes up to 80 or 90 weeks. It's more difficult because it's a different language structure.

But think about that. In less than one year, an adult human become absolutely totally fluent in another language so if you're like if you speak english you want to learn russian if you are doing standard uh uh lessons it takes you less than a year to do a baby's how long does it take a human to become fluent in a in a language certainly a seven-year-old child can talk to you but are they going to be able to articulate their thoughts about the intricacies of the politics in lichtenstein or something like that now i'm not saying they have to know about the politics but those words themselves so people are always like kids learn language easier no adults can learn language easier because they've been programmed

like we've developed those minds my ultimate point get your kid on a skateboard get you give your kid a baseball give your kid a football any kind of sport and get them doing physical activity mental activity music reading all of it and many parents will find but my kid doesn't understand it well of course they don't they've never touched it before so i i think the first time i was ever shown a chess set i was three years old i guarantee you three-year-old Tim had no idea what was going on. I was probably banging on the board and flipping pieces over. But you just keep saying it.

This is the pawn. This is what it does. This is the rook. This is what it does. And then you build those neural pathways. So by the time the kid is old enough, they're really good. This is why, you know, ask yourself, the professional baseball players, how old were they when they started playing baseball? Super young.

Two or three. And were they really even playing baseball? No. But, but you know they were being exposed to it so there you go all right christopher uh back says the only still or is it bakke the only solution is term limits either commit to it or vote them out all of them yeah i wish it were that easy but there are challenges i i think you i think check out the culture war episode we did with the former congressional staffers to understand the issue of term limits because congress is non-existent don't the con there's no congress it's just pay to play i ran for congress and it was a special election in 2019 there was one county that split in half in pennsylvania so

half of our election funds and the other half that I wasn't running for man by the name of Glenn Thompson. He's the longest serving Republican in Pennsylvania. When you went to that county, it was the only county that they told you don't talk about term limits because they love Glenn and he would be out every other county. They wanted to hear term limits term limits. And it was amazing to me because there's some just, you know, novice Rube. I'm just saying off the cuff what I really believe. And everyone else is thinking. That's your first mistake. Never say what you believe. Whoopsie. You know, everyone else rube. I'm just saying off the cuff what I really believe. And everyone else is thinking. Oh, that's your first mistake.

Right. Never say what you believe. Whoopsie. You know, everyone else knew. Don't talk about term limits here. J. Joan Clark says, Whitney Webb tells all. Tim should really have her on with Dr. Stephen Greer, at least culture war. Agreed.

Sounds good. All right. Cornelius says, if McAfee isn't going to dismiss the charges, the best thing he could do for Trump is leave Fannie on the case instead of allowing a different, possibly more competent D.A. to take over the case. But it would delay. That's why they're not doing it, because they want to get it in as soon as possible. They don't care if they win or not. They just want to delay and interfere with the election. Max Reddick says, I remember Rob had a conversation with Destiny about Biden's business dealings. He laid out the argument pretty well, but Destiny didn't buy it.

See, that's the issue with the left and the right. We were talking about this earlier. The left will tell you things didn't happen. The right will agree on what happened, but disagree on what they mean. I find that, you know, I was thinking about this and it's not absolute, but talking to Dave Smith, for instance, we're like, we agree X happened. And I'm like, yeah, but won't that will start to to do y and he goes no y's not gonna happen it's gonna be z and so it's like we agree on reality but what the probabilities are are where we we argue and so we get along and then you see that clip with destiny where he's like they never said

that uh vaccines were going to stop transmission and it's like yes yes they did no they didn't yes they did no and then someone of everybody's saying it yeah exactly but you can't play the montage when you're live on pierce morgan so when the democrats lie well the mistake people make is when i'm arguing with destiny i'm not arguing for trump against biden i'm arguing against these bureaucratic institutions my argument is the fbi treated biden differently when he was doing a quid pro quo with your tax dollars to fire a prosecutor looking into his son's company. Once that prosecutor was fired, his son's company benefits immensely. And destiny in the left's argument is, but you don't have proof that he did it for that

reason. It's just coincidence that by firing that prosecutor, it ended up massively benefiting Hunter Biden's company. And my argument is, why didn't the FBI look into this and have a commissar investigation to they did that Donald Trump? Well, what they're saying now is,

look, we know that they called DC asking for help dealing with the prosecutor who was investigating this company. And we know several months later, Joe Biden flew there and said, if you don't fire the prosecutor, not getting the billion dollars.

Five days later. Five days later. I thought it was like five months. According to Devin Archer, literally when he says, I heard don't fire the prosecutor, you're not getting the billion dollars. Five days later. Five days later? I thought it was like five months. According to Devin Archer, literally when he says, I heard them say, call D.C., which Archer assumes was Joe Biden. It was five days later? It was five days later he was on a plane. And Biden's assistant has said on tape.

Right, right, right. But it wasn't, I'm pretty sure the, if you don't fire the prosecutor, you're not getting the billion dollars was several months after. Oh, no, no. That was, he flew to Ukraine. It was scheduled. It was five days later. Now, he announced it in his famous council foreign relations speech months

like years right right right so then they go and that may have all happened but you can't prove that biden was told to do it he did it for that reason and it's like yeah that's not how we handle adjudication here it's something called beyond a reasonable doubt well think about i hate to wax on about this but think about this they say that well just because it could have personally benefited hunter biden that doesn't mean that's the reason that joe biden did it therefore no need for a special counsel and yet if you remember the special counsel into trump of muller was appointed because every democrat every republican said fire james comey then they fired him and people said yeah but trump did it for personal reasons possibly so why doesn't that apply to Biden

as well? Let's read some more. We got Remy says, hi Tim, I'm getting married tomorrow. I want to give a shout out to my beautiful wife, soon to be wife Valencia. I love you, baby. Congratulations. Good sir. That's so great. That's so cute. What a good use of a super chat. I really like that. That is really good. X Tin Man says, 30 plus years air traffic

controller retired. These kinds of incidents have been happening forever. The internet magnifies things. Agreed. Yeah. People definitely turn their attention and look. Like when we had all the train wrecks. Yeah.

That's reassuring. Muddy. There were a lot of train wrecks there for a minute. But apparently there are thousands, like over a thousand every year. Muddy Drip says, Boeing employee here. These issues coming up lately are maintenance issues by the airlines. Check warranties on airplanes. Interesting. That that's interesting too i saw a viral video where someone what did you say that the planes are getting warranties it's the maintenance it's not the manufacturer it's the airlines aren't maintaining them properly okay there was a

there's a story yeah i had to get my whole brakes fixed there was a story at uh at o'hare when i worked there where a guy uh crashed a tug into a plane. A tugboat? No, a tug. What's a tug? Those are the things that they drive around at airports to pull bags and move things. They're called tugs. And if you've ever played GTA, you can drive a tug.

And anyway, I think what happened was he was not paying attention and he crashed into the back of a plane. It basically destroys the plane you can't fly anymore and so he just pretended to black out yeah so he just falls on the steering wheel and just sits there and waits and then someone comes out and like what happened is like oh man i must have blacked out and so they can't do anything because it's a medical emergency if he said i wasn't paying attention then they yeah that was quick thinking it's actually pretty smart yeah i just blanked out where are we at duty ron says tim i remember seeing you at the occupy wall street movement in 2012 i was an active nypd

detective here here remember uh remember hipster cop he retired do you guys know hipster cop no he was a community affairs uh community i think it's community affairs uh i think he was a detective but uh he wore these like did like very fashionable outfits you know i don't know how to describe it he had glasses and he was reported in the press as the hipster cop he got was he wearing like he wasn't wearing cop uniform he was like a detective or something yeah street clothes wearing versace out there hipster cop like undercover at occupy see i thought it was like 30911 when he said hipster cop i thought like kind of a crazy outfit but i've never heard

rick lee hipster cop yeah look him up you'll see the clothes he's wearing he was a celebrity he would walk around and like the community of relations of community affairs nypd they're like supposed to try and talk and negotiate with protesters and stuff like that and locals let's grab some more super chats while we're here beef nasty says guys israel ukraine taiwan afghanistan nato all of them our dollar is backed by war control of goods it's simple yet complex yep so he's in favor he's kind of i don't think he's saying he's in favor okay i mean i agree with him i would just let the dollar fall and and also end the wars katie maria says zion cast tim getting so

defensive of israel as usual see that's that's what i'm talking about when i'm like i don't understand why we're funding israel or any other any one of these other countries and i don't care for any one of these singular countries i think we should stop funding all of it people go you're defending israel and i'm like that's what i'm talking about because like well tim to his point i will i will say i don't think you're zio cast but i do think zion cast zion cast but um no that's that's ben shapiro so i remember when i was on here last time you were ready and we went in together on zelinski and on victoria newland and on the people who perpetrated the war in ukraine i don't hear you going in on israel in the same way um and i just you know that i think that's what i get that you're not against the funding but

why aren't you like you're a vehement critic of zelensky why not at yahoo right now what is like the principal war where we have a world leader with nuclear weapons threatening to nuke us right now but do you think do you think iran has any nuclear capabilities and i actually don't know i i know that i know we've lied about it a lot i know that we launched stuxnet with israel to blow up their nuclear capabilities. And I know that while we are effectively in proxy war with Iran, I've been trying to invade Iran. It's a huge, huge mistake. I think we shouldn't be funding any of these foreign wars. I think I'm tired of the moralizing on Israel-Palestine. And too many people are deeply obsessed with this one country.

Okay. Fair enough. I agree. I mean for from nuclear weapons from our standpoint obviously the moralizing is what bothers me the most okay and because someone asked you on the moralizing why does that bother you it's an obsession but but if it is if if it's true that it's a moral atrocity why do you are you angry at the people trying to make that case how many how many people have been killed in china how many we are muslims

tell me people make that case too. List to me the atrocities of the world and tell me why I should care about one over the other. Well, because one, we're funding, and that's the one that Israel's perpetrating. Sudan. We're also funding that one. It's smaller and less people know about it, but it's the same sort of thing. The issue with Sudan is that people should be angry about the atrocities that they're being forced to fund. And that's why it's like like i don't care for any one

of them stop spending the money the sudan thing is not like we're funding war although i think it's fair to say you can look in the budget and see that we are but a billion dollars in quote unquote developmental assistance i'm like is that what they call war funding you know what i mean right and so then in israel's case 14 times that just in the last year. But if you go back decades, it's probably way more. So wouldn't that therefore anger you more? No. My point is someone goes, hey, should we be funding Israel? No.

And they go, okay. And then they go, should we be funding Ukraine? I go, no. I say, should we be funding Taiwan? No. Sudan? No. And then they go, do you know how many kids are being killed every single day in Israel?

And I'm like, do you know how many kids are being killed every single day in israel and i'm like do you know how many kids are being killed in sudan they go no and i'm like why are you coming to me every day with this one place and knowing nothing about anything else well then in that case i would say look more you should have whitney webb on like that guy said it's a great idea and look more into the epstein massad uhad theory. And, you know, like, for example, Alex Acosta said he belonged to intelligence when he let him off. Dershowitz got that deal. Dershowitz also got the dancing Israelis off.

People know about that. Dershowitz said on Kim Iverson's show, oh, I've been working for the state of Israel long before you were born. Well, he's a defense attorney. Dude, I just got to tell you, like... Well, I'm just saying, there's more than what I just said.

I mean, there's the Robert Maxwell who was literally massad and was like an arms trafficker for israel here's what i think i think jeslene's dad but so my point is you should look into things like that and realize they do have a lot of influence over this country i think that's real that would anger you more to be exploited i think israel hires all of the anti-israel people on purpose to create this faction of incessant annoying people on twitter to push as many people as possible away from the issue but it's interesting like there's a difference between sudan and israel i get it like i'm sorry like i'm sorry that i'm sorry that my organs aren't working on you i think i would do this better i would i would equate um i would equate the

ronda santos supporters with the anti-israel faction on on x it's like this weird vicious pit pit bull biting snarling but i'm not intensity i'm not trying to do that with you i mean have i done that tonight i'm not trying to not with you but the point i'm bringing up with you is that like right now if we're if we're objectively analyzing global conflict ukraine receives the most money is in it's a direct conflict between nato and a nuclear power. I agree with you on all this. And it is the most pressing military threat. And you made an atrocity moral argument about Israel

without knowing the same details about Ukraine. I'm not saying you're not allowed to make that argument. I'm saying... I didn't know the exact number of civilians killed. And my point is... Last year I could have... That doesn't debunk the whole argument. Debunk? I didn't say debunk.

I said what I see is for some reason a hyper fixation from too many people on one country when the United States is spending combined untold billions all over this planet things we should not. And when when you go to someone, Alex Jones, I saw him on C-SPAN a long time ago. And this is probably like in 2008 or something. When you go to someone, Alex Jones, I saw him on C-SPAN a long time ago. And this was probably like in 2008 or something. And I can't remember what it was, but the camera guy, the guy reporting was like, oh, we've got Alex Jones. And he goes to the camera and starts screaming, people, you've got to listen to me. They're coming in to take your money. They're taking your income.

And I was like, well, he just lost every single person he could have convinced. I totally agree with that. That's a great point. Can I give you two other examples of things that are different? One example could be and you tell me what you think of this if the u.s wasn't funding israel they would still be bombing gaza whereas in ukraine if we weren't funding they would have to come to the negotiating table i know i actually disagree i think if we didn't i mean ron paul um also a courageous man when he was in the congress was actually willing to criticize israel he he made the argument that actually if we cut off all funding to Israel, they might start playing nice with their neighbors

because right now they know that the U.S., even more so than Ukraine, they know that the U.S. is going to back them in a big regional war. So no, I think if we actually cut them off, they would perhaps stop bombing Gaza. I don't think it's as clear as Ukraine. The other thing I'll say real quick is there are people in positions of power and certainly in certain cultural institutions that are on both sides of the Israel-Palestine debate. That's not the case with Ukraine. When we talk about Ukraine, it's because there is near uniformity from the left, from the right, from every institution, from students to entertainers.

It's all we got to back Ukraine. We got to back Ukraine. Whereas Israel-Palestine, you get lost in the show. Chuck Schumer's out there today saying we need to get rid of bivy like so it's not as if they're all in lockstep in ukraine it's like everyone's in lockstep so you need a countervailing there are like lefties in the media that you know still have influence um we give money to 179 foreign countries oh it's wild But Tim, what I would ask you is, do you not see the shift from Ukraine to Israel in kind of the U.S. foreign policy circles?

That there is, and it's been harder for Ukraine to get the funding now because Israel's also on the tip. Do you not see that shift? Did you know that? Does that not kind of make you go, oh, Ukraine might be winding down? Did you know that the U.S. reduced its orders

for ordinance, specialized ordinance for uh desert conflict and switched it to pacific conflict um is this like an executive order from the biden administration there was uh i i can tell i can military budget that there is a shift to the indo-pacific for sure so it's not israel the uh it may be it may shift now because how about i finish i agree can i finish okay it may shift to israel because of what's going on but uh in the uh mid mid to end of last year the reporting that we covered was the u.s had been ordering large amounts of missiles specifically for the weaponry that we have in the middle east and they reduced dramatically those purchases

and shifted towards naval weaponry in ordinance leading many analysts to indicate the u.s is gearing up for conflict with china over taiwan especially with the treaty that we have with the treaty we had with australia the deployment of of u.s personnel and as well to the to the indo-pacific so that seems to be their main play plus with the concern over thucydides trap and the likelihood of conflict with china that seems to make a lot more sense especially considering china is a nuclear power has been working with russia we now have this two-pronged front where israel is a regional conflict which may rope in another one of the BRICS allies, Iran, that is still secondary. In fact, it may be a third step from Ukraine and Russia, then China, Taiwan, and then Israel. So based on

purchasing, based on scale, and based on historical precedent, it seems the bigger conflict is going to be China-Taiwan. I agree. China-Taiwan is by far the scariest. The bright side is it hasn't started yet. I mean, your point of Israel is more underway, like a potential conflict with Iran is more underway than China-Taiwan. But I agree with you. If you listen to like bipartisan foreign policy staff, they are like the focus is 100 percent China. And that would be by far the worst. I mean, the U.S. in a direct hot war with China would be terrible. And we would all agree on that. So that's scary, and I hope we avoid it. But I really want to avoid all three because all three can go nuclear potentially.

Iran's perhaps in the form of like a dirty nuke or something like that. But no, it's terrifying, and we should avoid all of these things. So, you know, I can't disagree with what you just said my final my final point on this is that there are a lot of people if you go on x where it's just like holy shit dude calm down what the fuck well there is literal like anti-semitism too where it's like i'm not saying that it's like the jews and you know in media and all there there are people who like their emotions go from zero to 11 when the issue comes up and they start bashing their faces figuratively against the table when it's like no other issue causes that. But I want to read one last super chat. This was interesting.

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Become a member by going to TimCast.com and clicking join us to support our work directly it's been a great week we're really excited for all the new stuff the skate park is officially done the main move will be um i believe the week of april 8th may be the official launch at the new studio so we're really excited for that and uh you can follow the show at timcast irl you can follow me personally at timcast lean you want to shout anything out um you can follow me at at cosgrove underscore iv on twitter um i wish we'd talked about the tiktok bill i think it would have been more fun and uh less you know high stakes um if you go to my twitter right now you will see tucker carlson just tweeted a video of me um giving Dan Crenshaw a hard time on the hill. That's kind of what I do is, you know, go to the hill and interview congressmen and then go to press

briefings in D.C. and stuff. So you can find me there. And sadly, we didn't get to argue about TikTok. But off air, Tim and I were going at it on that, too. So Tucker Tucker said Biden would have the power to ban any news site that challenges him and that's fact the fact factually false i think that's fact check false if we i don't know if we have time to do this maybe we can do it in the in the i'll keep it simple for you but the can't ban any website well he can't actually so so no no no they have if they have a million uh monthly users so now you agree with me a million monthly users and only one user it has to has to you know post stuff and be able to contribute so that could be a news site i mean if you have a million monthly users which isn't that

not any that's factually false right okay a million months secondly it doesn't ban the site it requires a force of divestment within six months and it has judicial which is a judicial review provision authoritarian and it's it's to say outright the bill allows biden to do this my argument is it would be like going donald trump is a nationalist and he is also a white man therefore he's a white nationalist and it's like okay well that's like technically semantically true but it's not real but it okay so any not any a month a million monthly users but that like if you add the a million monthly users caveat it is is a true statement. And it has to be connected to one of four countries. There's yeah, but that's up to their that's up to their claim to make it just as controlled

or at the direction of some. And you have and they said that about zero hedge in 2022 when the war broke out. Look at legal jurisprudences to whether someone can functionally just claim and it becomes legal. It doesn't. We know that with Trump and the insurrection clause in the 14th Amendment. So none of that even matters. You have a chance to petition it,

but the president can claim that you're at the direction of Iran and they can ban your thing. To state the bill would give Biden the power to ban any news website that challenges him is factually incorrect. With a million plus viewers.

It's factually incorrect. If you add the a million plus, how is it incorrect? And I could be a millionaire tomorrow if I buy a lottery ticket. A million monthly users is not that much. A million monthly users. I mean, I'm not even arguing the subparagraph. What else do you need in addition to a million monthly users for that statement to be correct? He cannot ban any website that challenges him. Okay. He can force them to divest. He can try to force certain

websites to divest from resources and assets pertaining to one of four countries that have already been codified by Congress. If he claims that the news organization is at the direction or control of one of those countries. Which doesn't change anything I said. It is factually incorrect to say that Biden could ban any, any, any. We're done. Okay. Hey! Yeah.

That was round two. We got to hear that earlier tonight, too. So, yeah, my name's Rob Knorrr n-o-e-r-r i am a conservative debater i stream on rumble twitch youtube you could find me if you look up my name rob nor in any of those places i love taking and wrecking these left-wing streamers that think that they're somehow impressive debaters they're not i focus on corruption and sort of the two-tier justice system to me more than any individual politician biden trump hillary

whoever these institutions that exist in perpetuity that put their thumbs on the scale are more of a threat to our country than any individual politician and so that's what i like to focus on i was honored to come on here i enjoyed this thoroughly thank you so much rami hope do it again absolutely i should say that as well i i really do appreciate and i know i've been argumentative and all that but i really appreciate the invite thank you cassandra for inviting me on and no i agree i've had a lot of fun i'm not trying to lie in terms of this tiktok bill i uh but anyways um i really appreciate it i'll make one last point on the tiktok bill and great great to meet you three also in person for the first time i'm sorry i've monopolized here my my argumentative guy my

last point on the tiktok Yuri Bezmenov warned that communists are going to try to indoctrinate our youth and manipulate them. TikTok is the clearest example of them doing that. For some reason, people are against Yuri Bezmenov's warning at this point, which doesn't quite make sense. And I see the likes of Tucker Carlson and many other personalities coming out without actually breaking down the full context of the bill and saying things that I believe are gross misrepresentations or extreme exaggerations of what is likely going to happen where the argument turns into, but the government is corrupt and does corrupt things to which my responses responses.

Lava bit was an email service provider that was providing secure services. The NSA approached them with a national security letter in 2013, and they were forced to shut down or comply with the government. This bill does not give more power to the already near absolute powers the government has, including the Obama NDAA indefinite detention provision, which allows them to hold secret military tribunals to rendition you in the middle of the night to an offshore location where you could disappear forever. And they claim that's been codified by Congress.

This bill is stamp collecting relative to what the deep state and the security intelligence agents already have. And that being said, Hannah Clare, you want to shout anything out? Hey, I'm Hannah Clare Brimlow. I'm so happy I got to be here so much this week. It's been fun to see everyone. Of course, you should absolutely follow at TimCastNews on Twitter and Instagram because that's where Scanner's news work goes out. I posted a, you know, it's Women's History Month.

None of the men in this room acknowledge that tonight. But I have a profile up about Melissa Mayer, the former CEO of Yahoo and the controversies she caused among working moms. So please go check that out. I don't know if it's up yet, but it should be up soon. If you want to follow me personally, I'm on Twitter at hccbrimel i'm on instagram at hannahclare.b libby so fun to see you it's great to see you guys great to be here tonight uh you can find me at libby emmons on twitter and you can check out all the great work we're doing at the postmillennial.com and humanevents.com tim real question on the communism thing to fight communism

i will ask this question then i won't argue do you do i have a life i have to go home don't tim don't you think it is kind of a communist tactic to be banning you know a platform that millions of people are using to you know post things and interact no that's not a communist tactic of banning a speech platform if china was selling designer drugs to our children i'd say we should ban that product and then if they came out and said yeah but it's not illegal in the united states i'd be like say we should ban that product. And then if they came out and said, yeah, but it's not illegal in the United States, I'd be like, then we should make it illegal. You're selling drugs to our kids. I don't, I don't, I don't see that. I don't understand the issue of like, this country is our enemy who has like tried to destroy us and is super corrupt and is undermining our trade policy, our foreign policy. They're buying up our farmland. They're gutting us from the inside out.

We desperately need to take action against them. And the only reason action can be taken now is because Democrats love Israel so much. They agreed to finally sign onto a bill that would do something about it. I'm also seeing tons of personalities sharing the restrict act, trying to claim that's the actual bill. And that's just like, why? Why are so many people posting false things about this? I can only conclude that some people genuinely don't like the bill i can respect that some people don't understand they're being misled and they're

sharing provisions from the restrict act which is wrong or they're sharing only snippets but i also do believe it is a fact and it is a fact that tiktok has been sending push notifications and telling people to go out and advocate and defend their platform that is an example of of an exertion of authority of a foreign power against us, which I think is horrifying. But that being said, I think diplomacy can work with China.

Go, go, quick, get to your outro. China, the solution to Tim's point. I think diplomacy can work, but I won't argue any further. We don't have an after show on Fridays, but what you guys should do as soon as we wrap is go over to Tenet Media and watch the culture war

which we had with Rob this morning. Great conversation. You guys can follow me at KellenPDL and happy Friday. That wraps it up then, right? Alright everybody, we'll see you all on Monday. Thanks for hanging out.