Timcast IRL - Trump Admin Notifies Congress USAID Is CLOSED, Fires EVERYONE, ITS OVER w/Dan Hollaway

Episode Date: March 29, 2025

Tim, Brett, & Cody are joined by Dan Hollaway to discuss the Trump administration completely shutting down USAID, Tim Walz telling Democrats to double down on wokeness, an unhinged driver harassing a ...Tesla Cyber Truck in a viral video, and how dangerous social media algorithms have brainwashed an entire generation. Hosts: Tim @Timcast (everywhere) Phil @PhilThatRemains (X) Brett @PopCultureCrisis (YouTube) Serge @SergeDotCom (everywhere) Guest: Dan Hollaway @DanHollaway (X) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:00:51 BetMGM operates pursuant to an operating agreement with iGaming Ontario. The State Department has officially notified Congress USAID is done. It's closed. They've fired the remaining employees, so it's over. Now, Congress is supposed to be the one to shut it down, but the executive branch can run it as they see fit, so they've effectively shut it down. This is huge because this is the final nail in the coffin for one of the accused way in which the Uniparty Deep State was funding its NGOs, its activism, etc. We got big news that XAI has officially acquired X, absorbing the social media platform into its AI company, which is going to integrate everything you do or say on the platform into training the Grok AI, which you were already doing. That's why Elon bought it.
Starting point is 00:01:44 And this is just making it easier and faster for him. And then, oh boy, so much news. Tim Waltz says that the Democrats need to get woker to defend wokeness and DEI, and they should have done it from the get-go. I agree, Tim Waltz. Please, please do this. And then we got a bunch of crazy videos. Some dude in Texas appears to, he's driving next to what looks like a cyber truck. And it looks like he draws a gun and pointed at the truck. The truck speeds up to get away
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Starting point is 00:04:09 It really does help. Joining us tonight to talk about this and so much more is Dan Holloway. Good evening. Who are you? What do you do? My name is Dan Holloway. I'm one of the hosts of the Drinker Bros podcast, and I have another show called Citizen.
Starting point is 00:04:22 We hawk hard AF seltzer as well. Oh, very nice. Yeah. Sounds good. I'm drinking a regular seltzer, but, you know. Yeah, we can't compete with Drift on the pink lemonade, unfortunately. Although we are working on something similar. A non-hard?
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Starting point is 00:05:25 I don't know what you do for plastic, though. Yeah, I don't know. Die, I guess. I don't know. Well, thanks for being here. Yeah, I'm trying to lift. To a good start. It's all up from here.
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Starting point is 00:06:14 All right. But yeah, we got Brett hanging out as well. Guys, yes, Brett here. Normally on Pop Culture Crisis, Monday through Friday at 3 p.m. I am sitting in here for Phil tonight. Well, right on. Let's jump to the news.
Starting point is 00:06:24 It's a chill Friday night. It's warm outside. Everybody's hanging out. And you guys are here listening to the news because you care. Here's a story from the Postmillennial State Department officially notifies Congress of USAID closure. I'm down for it. The State Department officially notified Congress that the U.S. Agency for International Development has been dissolved and the remaining operations of the agency will be run by the State Department itself. According to the United Press International, State Department officially told Congress that USAID was dissolving on Friday. Secretary of State Mark Rubio said in a statement today, the Department of State and the U.S. Agency for International Development have notified Congress of their intent to undertake a
Starting point is 00:07:03 reorganization that would involve realigning certain USAID functions to the department by July 1st, 2025, and discontinuing the remaining USAID functions that do not align with administration priorities. This is massive. I think the reason they're doing it is because Congress basically passes a bill saying you have to have these certain functions. And so if they can if they can accomplish those tasks set forth by Congress through the State Department, they shut down USAID, which was don't know, has been accused of basically funneling hundreds of billions of dollars to activist organizations, lawyers and political outfits to fund establishment shill politicians. So along with this, Donald Trump's citizenship requirement for voting, it looks like, I don't know, Trump's march to the sea on the deep state is ramping up. In progress. In progress. Right. It's a battle for sure. Without the help of
Starting point is 00:07:58 Congress, it's going to be for naught at some point. But yeah, I mean, I don't know what you guys are going to miss the most from USAID. Is it going to be the CIA overthrowing governments and then installing new ones that people like me have to go fight in 20 to 25 years? Or is it the 11 out of the 13 Ukrainian media companies that are funded by it? It's hard to tell which one's going to be the bigger hit
Starting point is 00:08:19 to my own personal entertainment. Somebody will one day be like, I miss the days of the color revolutions in other countries. Or is it, like you kind of alluded to it as well there's this circular feature to the usaid funding where money comes out of your wallet and it goes to usaid and then it goes to a foreign country and it somehow ends up in the hands of some enemy adversary that ends up being spent back here on antifa blm and so forth right indeed it's it's weird to fund it's like digging your own grave i guess right which is something that you see in bad western movies mostly right
Starting point is 00:08:50 but now it's just kind of been our reality for the last 70 years and we had no idea i look at it like capital city in the hunger games basically these are people who don't have to work the machine takes from everybody else to fund and feed them. Have you ever spent any time in Loudoun County, Virginia? Oh, yeah. It is a magical place. Yeah. Magical is one way to put it. Oh, but I mean, like, when you understand that it's all military, industrial contractors,
Starting point is 00:09:16 lawyers, and behind every smile is someone funding or helping to bomb children in foreign countries and never declared war on, you go to the park and they're singing Disney songs and they're eating delicious food. And it looks it looks like magic. But I imagine that if you could see into the souls of these people, not all of them. A lot of them are actually fans. But going down there and seeing just how beautiful everything is and knowing what funds it. Oh, man. I literally had since, for instance, I had a tweet like two weeks ago that says,
Starting point is 00:09:47 driving through Loudoun County is crazy because what do you mean you built a castle next to a gas station? Which is basically what it's like. It's like there's huge, just massive properties next to small businesses. And you realize that driving through there, driving through anywhere through Virginia, you're basically being propped up by all of the money that we, the taxpayers, have dumped back into it. I wonder what's going to happen to this place. Loudoun's a big county, so it's not just like one town, right? You got Leesburg. There's Tyson's I mentioned. But Tyson's Corner is a crazy shopping center. And the money for all of this, not all of it, but a lot of it is military industrial complex political lawyers
Starting point is 00:10:25 USAID funding EPA funding slush funds it really doesn't seem like it's legitimate uh no I mean it's like uh it's like art it's all a fake shell game to make money but that's what government is right government no matter how uh noble I guess its intentions and it's not always noble, but even when it's in its best form, eventually becomes an engine to extract labor and wealth from the population. That's really what it is. Right. And that's gotten harder. The look at government as an experiment over the course of human history, you can kind of see how it matures just like a human being would. Right. It starts in this rudimentary phase. It doesn't make a lot of sense in the same way that our religions have evolved as well. So it starts where we see the natural forces that are happening. We're like, oh, that must be something bigger and more
Starting point is 00:11:25 powerful than myself so uh earthquakes that's god lightning that's god the sun the moon all this stuff and then you get a little bit farther down the rabbit hole in religion and you start to ascribe like social controls to it right and when i say social controls i mean uh like the aspects of human nature love hate, hate, war, wine, whatever. And then you get a little farther down, you start to get to monotheism, which is like it's an individual with a personality. And really it's a mirror of yourself. That's the point of it. In the same way you see government as an experiment that happens over time.
Starting point is 00:12:03 We try this, we try that. The Athenians, for example, tried a direct democracy for two years. And they were like, nope. No way. This is stupid. You guys are too dumb. We can't do this. And then they tried some other stuff like representation without pay.
Starting point is 00:12:17 So they had basically like a Congress but no pay. And what they found was that only rich people were able to serve. So they only took care of rich people, right? So you had to make it such. And that's why when Congress asked for a raise, they were like, yeah, So they only took care of rich people, right? So you had to make it such and that's why, you know, when Congress asked for a raise, I'm like, yeah, do your job and I'll consider it, right? But you can see it kind of grow up over time. And that's why we know that it's an experiment, because you can look it is a testable hypothesis. Does communism work? No, we know it doesn't. So when anybody, if anybody starts talking about communism or socialism
Starting point is 00:12:45 you really hey let me stop right there bud i don't ever need to hear anything you say again ever because you're not a smart person well i mean we talked about this the other night the funny thing about communism is that it's it's fundamental precept is basic arithmetic that is wrong so when they say from each according to their ability to each according to their need you're basically saying we've got 10 people in a room. Half of them consume more than they produce. The other half sustain themselves. It's like, OK, that's called net negative.
Starting point is 00:13:13 And you will all starve to death. And then when you do that basic, you know, one plus negative one equals zero. You realize if you implement communism, everyone dies. And then surprisingly to these people, whenever they try communism, everybody starves. That's wild. And so back to the point, even in the noblest form of government, which is the one we have, I think still it doesn't scale indefinitely. It can't. That's why we created federalism to send power back to the lowest possible level that makes the most sense. But even then, it doesn't work because we don't operate it in that way. And that's because of all of us, by the way. And I don't mean just the five of us in this room, just every American who thought it was okay
Starting point is 00:13:52 to because I have an iPad and Hot Pockets to not pay attention to what's going on with my money in Washington. And we did that for a very long time. Eisenhower warned us about it in the 50s, and we paid no attention to him. Right? We just kind of went on about our business and let it grow and grow and grow. And now it's going to be very difficult to unseat some of this stuff. And one of the things I find most interesting, like USAID and like Doge is kind of exposing right now, is people have been propagandized so much by these organizations that are likely funded from institutions with our tax dollars that they've propagandized people into believing that firing inefficient government employees is actually a bad thing and you're seeing the death throes of that last 70 years of poor inefficient government but fantastic propaganda read like reeling its ugly head and showing people that they don't really understand the scale of which the rot
Starting point is 00:14:42 is within the government and then there's a there's a part of it that's like a weaponization of our better natures. You know what I mean? Empathy is a good thing. So we need, this is something that people need to start understanding and acting on. It is the folks in power who are performing this magician's patter to make you think you should hate the left or you should hate the right. Right.
Starting point is 00:15:08 The reality is that the left and the right don't exist anymore and that we have to hate the people who did that to us that's got to be the first mission and that is like we need justice and we need empathy from the left we need uh laws and we need strength from the right we need these things in the same way that we need men and women to raise a child, right? That's just a fact of nature. And we've allowed these – usually on my show there would be a string of bad words right here. We've allowed these people to completely – as you say, propagandize the dialogue now where when somebody posits some left position – it's been it from you have to understand from them they're like i there's this impetus to want to take care of people right and as a as a man that's on the right side of things my idea of taking care of people is uh teaching them how to fish not giving them one right and also giving them the means to protect themselves and the
Starting point is 00:16:00 information to protect themselves not to coddle them But not everybody is a man on the right. Some people need to be coddled sometimes, children, for example, right? And we need that feminine presence and we can't have it, right? If these people are left in charge of the public discourse, if they're allowed to say, because you want to own guns, you don't care about kids dying, right? If they're allowed to say that without repercussion from their own side, the left has to step in and say, hey, that these are good people right but they weaponize agree with you they weaponize toxic levels of empathy usually on an out group bias because they push for laws rather than taking care of things within their own home right yeah and that's that's the secret sauce there to be honest because when the government shows up to your neighborhood and nobody's got their hand out,
Starting point is 00:16:45 they got no power there, right? So if you want this decentralized government, if you want this lowest level possible, if you want federalism, if you want this dream that Jefferson had to be a reality, you better go down the street and take care of your neighbor before the government shows up to do it. Otherwise, you're not doing your job and you have no right to
Starting point is 00:17:01 complain about anything that's going on. I think there's a middle ground in the either you teach them to fish or give them a fish. I think you give them a fishing pole. You know what I mean? Let them figure it out. No, it's like we can teach them to fish, but you find a guy who's got no fishing pole and you say, look, look how I use my, you know, how I cast the bait or whatever. And they're going to look at you and be like, that'd be great if I had one of those.
Starting point is 00:17:21 So there's a middle ground of the help that we provide in society is to give you the opportunity to help yourself. We don't just say, hey, look at me. I can do it. Why can't you? We say, okay, let me give you a boost. Here's how you do it. Figure it out.
Starting point is 00:17:34 But the left goes all in. Here's a bucket of fish. Have fun. We took it from that guy. And now this person's like, I don't even got a fish. I just get it for free. Well, and we just had that. Literally, the discussion was last week.
Starting point is 00:17:44 It was about soda and EBT. And the discussion came about like, what items should be on EBT. And I think a lot of people would rather have a discussion as much as important as that is, is looking to weed out fraud in divisions like that. The idea of limits on the amount of time you can be on those programs, but even having that discussion, a lot of the times with people who have certain beliefs in just how powerful government should be or at least unlimited power in helping people because they see it as a virtuous cause. They don't want to have that discussion at all. But I would like to believe that most moderates do want to at least be able to have that debate. Even if you don't believe that everybody should be on food stamps all the time, you should believe in some type of responsible federal government
Starting point is 00:18:25 yeah well it's there's there's a a saying that i i liked it's uh hard to hate up close right so it's easy to um it's it's easy to create this caricature of your enemy that exists in your head and hate them on twitter or from afar but when you see somebody that's hungry up close that's quite a bit more difficult right and there is regardless of what your politics are there is some impetus to be like hey i need to help this person there's there's no way that like if you're if you believe if you're like a patriot and you believe in america and what it is then you want it to be the best right this is just like standard broken window theory stuff if i want uh uh my country to be the best then I damn sure better put some effort into that. Otherwise, I have no claim to its goodness. How could I? Like, every now and again, you'll hear these
Starting point is 00:19:10 people like, oh, we won World War Two, like, oh, you were there, huh? Like, what have you what have you done lately for this country? Right? And it doesn't, there's a lot of ways to serve. I was in the military, but it doesn't have to be that it doesn't have to be police or fire EMS or first responder stuff at all. You can serve your community by taking care of the people that are closest to you because that's your job to do it. Right. And for me, I think what's interesting about that is most like like I said, I think that both sides have this impetus to the right these days wants as little federal government as possible, which I tend to agree with for the most part. And most people aren't focusing on their state level government anyways. They're they're too interested in the therestling nature of federal politics these days, right? But when it comes to the left, they don't really see value politically on the left.
Starting point is 00:19:53 There isn't inherent value placed on the family. So they look at the government as a surrogate to the family where they say, dump in all the money, put in all the resources there so that we can take care of people without actually trying to operate under the premise that there are steps that you can do to alleviate all of that that start at home. Yeah, I wonder how much of that is a scarcity mindset, too. Let's jump to the next story. We have this from Fox News. Tim Waltz says Dems weren't bold enough to double down on DEI and immigration. He said that they should have defined what woke was and defended these ideas, but they let the other guys do it. I agree, Tim Waltz. I am glad you brought this up, Democrats.
Starting point is 00:20:41 Oh, no, don't, because then you will win. You can't have them do that, Tim. So you were saying a moment ago that there was no left and no right. What do you mean by that? Well, let me, I hate to answer a question with a question, but who was the last conservative president? Depends on your definition of conservative, I suppose. In your opinion.
Starting point is 00:21:03 The last conservative president. I would argue Donald Trump. Before Trump though, is what I mean. George W. Bush. Well, I am not wrong.
Starting point is 00:21:14 What did he do that was conservative? You can't be wrong because it's your opinion. That's the point because what it means to be conservative changes with every generation and every step. But when people say it though, right, because people say i'm a reagan republican typically when they refer to what conservatism used to be oh yeah reagan destroyed uh marriage and gun rights and he gave amnesty in california to illegal immigrants got rid of mental institutions absolutely asylums yeah and
Starting point is 00:21:40 and i wasn't i wasn't i think i raised taxes in five out of the eight years he was president right i was alive for i think two years of think I raised taxes in five out of the eight years he was president. Right. I was alive for, I think, two years of his presidency. And before that, a lot of the worst things that he brought to this country came from California. So, yeah, I don't think that guy was a conservative at all. Right. But that's what if you ask the average Republican today, they'll say Reagan. Right. But that's not left and right. Left and right doesn't make a direct. No, no. Sure. Sure. The last time that we had a right-leaning, in the traditional sense, president was probably Eisenhower. Maybe Nixon. Nixon got railroaded quite a bit.
Starting point is 00:22:13 That's a whole other conversation we don't need to go on. But when I say there's no right and left anymore, I mean, if you ask somebody to define their ism, whatever it happens to be, conservatism or liberalism they can't they have no idea what those words mean right and they're not represented in the true fashion as you say though they they do evolve over time uh but but the words do mean something right like right when we say classical liberalism what we mean is liberalism no that's what it means right no it doesn't that's that's not what people mean when they say it but that's what they're trying to refer to what liberalism was when during its.
Starting point is 00:22:45 No. Right. So this actually is really interesting. Classical liberalism is a reference to the 1700s. Right. It's a reference to, you know, Locke and a lot of fathers. Yeah, I don't. Yeah. But we liberal doesn't mean left. Right. I thought you were I thought you were saying what liberal was 20 years ago. No, no, no. I mean, like 300 years. Right. Exactly. Like when people say classical liberal, they mean, I believe, a free in free speech basically that's that's what you should mean when you say that right that's the most free speech and property rights that's classical liberalism yes basically right and then liberal turned into so from uh from classical to traditional to social
Starting point is 00:23:17 liberalism which is what we had in the 90s right and now people hear the phrase classical liberal and i think it means 90s liberal right Right, but that's not what it means. It does not. It's closer to libertarian. This is what I'm saying. People, we don't even know what the words mean anymore. So people say them to identify themselves, and they have no idea what it means, which gives this space for these useless politicians to come in and redefine what things are.
Starting point is 00:23:41 And they're not special people, right? They won a popularity contest. The only person in Congress that's special is Thomas Massey, frankly, because he's a literal genius. Right. Like he built his own house off the grid. And I've got to tell you, I've got a lot of pipeheader friends, but if we were in a legit Thunderdome situation,
Starting point is 00:24:00 I think I'm going to Thomas Massey's house. I agree. You know what I mean? He's off the grid, and he built his own self-sustainable farm. It's ridiculous. So he's special. He's special. I don't want to single just him out.
Starting point is 00:24:11 I'm sure there's a couple other people that are great. But for the majority of these people, they're not special. So typically when people say liberal or conservative, what they really mean is left or right. And what left and right define is the umbrella of each dominant political faction in opposition to each other in this country. Yeah, but conservative doesn't even mean right. Conservative means to concert. Like, I want things to stay the way they were. That's not necessarily a right-leaning position. Maybe things were left and they want to conserve the left. Exactly. And reactionary, I refer to leftists as reactionaries. So reactionary was a reference to,
Starting point is 00:24:44 let's go back in time. The French Revolution, where we had the terms left and right. The left side of the court was saying, revolution, and the right side was saying, no, no, we want the monarchy. We don't want to do this. And so the right were called reactionaries in that they were responding to the revolution of the left and largely opposed it. So reactionary came to represent – it basically means you want the status quo. You want to return things to the way of the left and largely opposed it. So reactionary came to represent, it basically means you want the status quo, you want to return things to the way they were. The issue is that for leftists, they think they're revolutionaries. The problem is when they're too stupid to realize they're trying to revert the United States back to where it used to
Starting point is 00:25:19 be. For instance, DEI programs are actually how things used to be the reality is for the majority of human existence race-based policy was the norm and it's only in the past couple of decades we've actually had law preventing this in fact redlining and blockbusting housing policies targeting minorities ended in the 80s so when the left comes out and smashes things and using violence and says we want things to be the way they used to be, I say they're reactionaries. And then they go, you're so dumb, reactionary means right wing. I'm like, no, it means you want things to be the way they used to be.
Starting point is 00:25:52 And we do not. Well, this is the problem when you let the people who are engaged in the power struggle define the terms, right? Because it's all a magician's pattern. None of these words mean anything anymore. And that's why there is no, there is a functional right and left but not a definable one where there's two sides people ask me all the time about uh well not so much anymore but before
Starting point is 00:26:15 uh trump was elected about civil war and stuff i'm like who between who and whom and what exactly right how did the syria you're you're kicking it off i I got to tell you. I'm provoking you intentionally right now. Who are the factions in the Syrian civil war? Al-Qaeda and Al-Qaeda. Who were the actual factions at the start of the Syrian civil war? This latest one? When the Syrian civil war began, so when the Arab Spring kicked off and Syria was overcome by partisan conflict, which involved government forces and other forces killing each other.
Starting point is 00:26:45 Who were the factions? Al-Qaeda, ISIS versus the Ba'ath Party. Well, actually, there was the Free Syrian Army was one faction. There was— Kind of analogous to the Kurds, I guess, in that regard because—an outgroup. What I'm getting to is basically there were about 12 different factions. Sure, yeah. And the argument everybody had before this was, you're not going to get a civil war because who would the factions be?
Starting point is 00:27:05 Sure. What happened after three or four years? The CIA funded that, though, right? Sure. So I mean, maybe maybe they fund some kind of the point is historically, historically, civil wars everywhere aren't started by two aligned factions marching towards each other in the street. It pockets of violence erupt. For instance, the U.S. Civil War started with bleeding Kansas. So this was not the U.S. government versus Confederate states. It was seven years of anti-abolitionist and slavery forces across the country killing each other. And then people argued, yeah, but it's a bunch of random people. So even after Fort Sumter happened,
Starting point is 00:27:40 nobody thought a civil war could happen even though it already did. And so they went and picnicked at Manassas thinking there can't be a civil war. but that's when it bubbled up to the highest points of each respective faction so right now who would the factions be you know honestly i don't i don't know but you look at uh rudyard lynch's analysis which it appears he's got three days to make his prediction i don't know if you have his prediction was a thousand dead by april maybe he means end of april so he gets an extra month if he wants to be if he wants to really nitpick. But he said that there would be a People's Congress in Texas and there would be the traditional Congress in D.C. I said, you're wrong. The People's Congress would be in New York
Starting point is 00:28:17 City and the traditional Congress would be in D.C. run by Donald Trump because Trump, he thought Trump was going to win. And I said and New York is the epicenter of where the Democrats and the liberals are waging their lawfare and their campaigns. But the issue largely is there is, I guess my point ultimately why I asked about the left and the right is there, there is a left and the right though. It's not like there is this rigid cube for which there are boundaries you can't be in or out of. It's more like it's a spattering on a graph where the further you go out, it becomes harder to define. But the closer you get to the nucleus, you can clearly define what it is. So it has its orbit.
Starting point is 00:28:59 It's a planet with a bunch of different factions that orbit within it, that they work in tandem periodically. The right has something not so similar for the nerds out there. The left is the Alliance and the right is the horde. And what I mean by that is the right is a hodgepodge group of disparate ideologies that have come together largely only because the unified forces of the left are psychotic and burning everything down. And they're, they're actually forcing your hand to be labeled as right just by virtue of having one qualifying thing that you disagree with them on, forcing you into a box that you don't
Starting point is 00:29:31 even necessarily see yourself in. What are the X and Y axes here, right? Like if we're graphing left versus right, but they're both kind of a hodgepodge, I guess, what are the left and right? Are the X and Y axes there? There is no easily defined X and Y axis. I can give you several examples that many people have posited. Recently, I've been saying it is those who serve God and those who want to be God. What that idea tries to encompass is the further you go to the right on the scale,
Starting point is 00:30:01 you have people working towards and being part of something larger than themselves which includes each and it's funny because you'd imagine that means you know communism but it certainly doesn't as you go closer to the left you get hedonistic and uh people who are willing to uh do whatever it takes for their own personal benefit even if it destroys everything else but there's a bunch of different ways to approach it outside of that and i think culturally it is those uh uh there's so many ways to define it uh smart versus dumb um independent thought versus uh dependence um cult-like adherence to uh disagreeableness all of these different things are are components of this multi-dimensional axis so the way i see it is on the right, what do you tend to have?
Starting point is 00:30:47 Disagreeable nature. The right has Christian conservatives. It has post liberals. It has disaffected liberals. It has atheists, agnostics, largely Christian, some Catholic, some evangelical, some Jewish, some hate the Jews, some pro-Israel, some hate Israel. On the left, they largely adhere to whatever the group think is, even if it's contradictory. So, for instance, their anti-military industrial complex, which for which they scream about Israel, but then they support Ukraine.
Starting point is 00:31:12 Yeah, they're seeming they're seeming paradoxes in what they're arguing, because it's not about it's it's it's really fascinating. There's no underlying principle. They're just taking orders, basically. Well, it's what it feels like. It's it's man on the right there is there is logic and code and on the left there is chaos so as as long as you are within the orbit of the sphere of chaos and you are aligned with its whims you're fine and its whims change every single day so today they say uh you got to buy an electric car. Tomorrow they burn your car down.
Starting point is 00:31:46 It makes literally no sense. It's also a party of oddly enough the – they've done a very, very good job of posing the right as the party of money, as the party of resources, whereas a great number of the very, very rich very very well, very much support the democratic party. Yet they talk about hating billionaires. And that's, that to me is the one they've turned billionaire into pejorative. It's now, it's now used to other you in a way where it's, it's millionaires, trust funds, politicians who live wealthy off of the citizens who have turned certain rich people into an enemy and use their wealth. And now they use the term oligarch as a way to other you or other somebody who makes a lot of money. And there's no actual logical conclusion there because a lot of them come from wealthy families. The politicians have made millions and millions of dollars off of the American people, most of them just willing
Starting point is 00:32:42 to look the other way, not realizing that a lot of these politicians enrich themselves off of the American people, most of them just willing to look the other way, not realizing that a lot of these politicians enrich themselves off of their own money while othering people who made billions of dollars and created jobs, created things for other people. I got to address this super chat. I don't normally do this. No, you don't. But Josh Branson said, Tim, the right is the alliance preserving order and discipline and liberal anti-establishment are the horde. The left are the void, a vacuous nothing seeking to consume everything and bind it to its will.
Starting point is 00:33:10 My friend, you don't know the lore of World of Warcraft. That's embarrassing. I can't believe you didn't see what you – no, I'm kidding. But let me try it this way. At this point, Warcraft lore has become a convoluted mess of hodgepodge garbage. So we can all agree it's nonsense. There's pandas running around. I don't even know why anymore.
Starting point is 00:33:26 And they do Kung Fu. This is now a World of Warcraft show. Absolutely. Period. Yes. So when they, look, Lich King was great. And I played Vanilla. I played Burning Crusade.
Starting point is 00:33:36 Lich King is where I slowly started walking away. Then they introduced Kung Fu pandas. Anyway, I digress. The analogy is this. In the original warcraft um world of warcraft at least the alliance were the establishment forces the humans with their great kingdom of beauty the elves with their great kingdom of beauty well to be fair they didn't have night elves in that point and they were like mystics or whatever and this you know
Starting point is 00:34:01 i'm going to get some arguments here from diehard fans. The point is the undead were a faction of the Horde. These were the Lich King destroyed Lordaeron, the city of humans, cursed them to be undead. They were mindless zombies serving evil. They broke free from the curse and were immediately shunned and poo pooed by the establishment. So the horde took them in. The horde originally was a hodgepodge group of disparate ideologies and factions who were teaming up for survival. And the alliance were the establishment forces of the existing nations that wanted to keep everything the way it was. So I view the left, which represents the neocons and the neolibs the establishment as the established order and
Starting point is 00:34:45 what happened is trump and a bunch of other groups of varying ideologies even libertarians come on joined together despite the fact they disagree but i think it's largely a good thing so enough silliness my point is on the right you have people who completely disagree but will hang out with smiles on their faces and on the left agree with me or burn and so but that the right and the left are political positions that we we've we've assembled ourselves in um this new alliance if you want to call it that or horde if you want to call it that with very disparate political positions and i guess you have to so what we call the left leftist progressives whatever the hell it is you have to stay in good standing with the party to be a functioning member of it.
Starting point is 00:35:29 Right. That's the point. Right. That's just authoritarianism. There's no need to call it anything else. They are the side of authoritarianism, period. Right. And everybody else, to include people who would consider themselves to be classically liberal or leftist or whatever, are libertarian.
Starting point is 00:35:44 It doesn't matter. They're moving into what used to be called the right but it's just the anti-authoritarian but this is this is just semantics you know it is to a degree but the point i'm making is that this authoritarian wing has to be uh defeated by good ideas and pressure and then from it sometime in the next several decades a new left and right will spring out of this coalition that's been made right you're right right so uh i jimmy door is a really great example he's he's a right winger i i i have no idea how because he opposes the war machine he opposes the establishment the lies though the the international order and all of these these
Starting point is 00:36:23 issues they say he's right wing because you know even though the man order and all of these these issues, they say he's right wing because, you know, even though the man is for universal health care, even though he's very Israel critical, it doesn't matter. He's far right. He's alt right. He's all of these things. And it makes no sense. No, it's not. The question was, do you support the established order of the left or not? And he said said i support what i believe to be true and correct so that means he will tell the trump he will say trump is bad he will say the democrats are bad and people on the right they they like that they say jimmy that's a good point i'm glad you brought that up to us we'll try and do better the left says how dare you defy us yeah
Starting point is 00:36:59 well that's that's that's it you've got to stay in good standing with the party. And this is what this jabroni is talking about. He's out of his mind. No, no. No, I know. I know. Well, we'll throw you a campaign rally, bud. The idea of a party being self-corrected over time through better information, that's what makes it last. That's the whole point.
Starting point is 00:37:28 You have to be able to call out when your side is wrong. They were clearly wrong. There's a lot of people that are calling out the left from the left and like, hey, this is nonsense. You guys got to stop this. And I think there's been more, there's been a lot more activity in calling out Trump when he does goofy things this time around. I actually have like a running list on my phone of like the things that people on the right, where at least you get a strong sense of people who are like, look, I dislike the Christian conservatives are going to disagree with him about IVF. There are certain issues that they're going to push back on, which is a good thing. And you should be looking to do that. But I think the point is, like, I wonder if they worry that the current right, what is considered the right as we
Starting point is 00:38:06 see it meaning like a big tent of disparate ideas that have kind of coalesce under trump's leadership because he is such a strong face a strong voice in politics i i wonder sometimes whether that will fracture when he is no longer in office and if the machine that operates the, meaning you have the politically uninitiated who vote left, just cause that's what they've done their whole life. And the rest of them who fall in line with the party, because they're scared of what happens if they speak out, if that actually ends up outlasting because the disparate voices that argue on the right,
Starting point is 00:38:41 won't have a voice to coalesce around if nobody steps up in 2028 right that's and leadership matters for sure you know uh and which is which is why you got to be critical in a way that leaves room for tomorrow like you get an argument with your spouse or your co-worker or something like hey you guys still got to live together you can't you can't burn the bridge here you gotta you gotta keep this going but there are things that i think are really important uh to call out when they're wrong this is one of them for uh the left they absolutely have to do away with this progressive stuff or it won't exist anymore and then on the right there's some of this like buying greenland i don't care about that uh funding war stuff i don't care about that uh uh there's a
Starting point is 00:39:19 couple of things in the tax plan from trump that are problematic for me, like carried interest tax. This is something that you particularly should be invested in. People on Trump's team, I don't know about himself, but people on his team want to get rid of what they call the carried interest loophole. That is, you as an investor or a business owner pay yourself through dividends at the capital gains tax rate rather than the 37% income tax rate, right? And they want to get rid of that.
Starting point is 00:39:45 They want to bring it back up to 37%, which means you paying dividends from yourself, from IRL, Inc., or whatever your top-level organization is called, would now, instead of being taxed at 20% capital gains plus 3.8% net investment income tax, you would pay a full 37% plus your state income tax on that. Well, so you're referring to profits as opposed to income? Sort of. Yeah, you're basically paying yourself a dividend. I don't know that it applies to me.
Starting point is 00:40:13 I think a better analogy is just in general, somebody who owns equity in a company but doesn't work there is receiving dividends from the shares. No, no, no. You as an owner and a manager of the company, you can pay yourself in dividends instead of paying yourself a salary, right? And a lot of people do that. And, but also any kind of capital investment you make in a company that's not like a stock or something like that.
Starting point is 00:40:33 So, again, for comparison, the top tax rate is 37%. You're talking about 17 additional percent in tax for the people who move the most money around in the community. And it's completely unacceptable. Think about it this way tim cast makes you you sign some new big deal and you make a bunch of new money bunch of new revenue um i've known you for a while you don't just go buy a lambo you're starting to do new media stuff so just hire people just to clarify when you said dividends it i said this i said the same thing i think i just didn't understand. That refers to the profits. Yes.
Starting point is 00:41:06 Right. Right. Yeah. You get paid out. Right. So you can pay yourself a percentage of the profitability of your company as your salary, but it only gets taxed at the capital gains rate. Right.
Starting point is 00:41:15 And the purpose that this exists for, the net investment income tax exists for, is such that you as a business owner are going to spend more money in your business. Let's take like a really clear example. You own McDonald's franchises and you have a really good year and you get taxed 20% on the dividend you take out of it instead of 37%. You use that extra money. What are you going to do? Most people are going to go get a couple more McDonald's because they want to make more money. You expand your business. That's typically what people do. Even at the lower level, when people get tax rebates from Uncle Sam, what do they do? They don't put it in savings.
Starting point is 00:41:49 They pay off credit card debt or they start something. They spend that money and they put it in the economy. And this is like an economy is the same as a body of water. It's either stagnant and it's got a bunch of algae in it or it's moving and it's clean. So for us, when i get paid in profits the only thing i save on is employment tax i don't get a dividend rate uh so without getting into too much detail all the profit of the company is taxed the full income tax level even if it's dispersed as profits you don't have to do that i do we've got a big accounting firm
Starting point is 00:42:26 we have we have a big account it takes a really long time to do our corporate all of our taxes we've we've got several tax attorneys and this is how we had to do it if i could pay less in taxes if it was a legal means and they were like hey look here's a deduction i take it but i pay an obscene amount of taxes it's's like 50%. That's insane. Because as a business owner, especially somebody that's been a successful business owner for some amount of time that employs a lot of people, the government should be like, yeah, let's give this guy more of his own money. Because you will create more employment for other people. Well, here's where it's broken. Is that, and I suppose this is just a an issue
Starting point is 00:43:07 of corporate structure you can choose to do a c corp and then your your money is retained by the corporation and tax the corporate tax level as opposed to the individual level once it goes to an s corp you start to get and our c corp you start to get into a little bit murkier territory yeah the yeah so i i talked to a uh an accountant was we're serving setting everything up and i said uh why would we want to do either of these things? And you can be a limited liability corporation. Pass-through means at the end of the year, all those taxes are your income, and you've got to pay income tax at the full rate as an individual. I do that.
Starting point is 00:43:37 I said, I don't want anything special. I'm not playing any stupid games. I'm going to pay my taxes. I'm supposed to pay them. Give me deductions where I get the deductions. The problem is December 31st to January 1st, in this flash of a moment, your company can be utterly destroyed by the way our tax system works. It's the stupidest thing imaginable. They say, because this date ticked over from 1159 to midnight, we now are going to take a large portion of your operating account funding. So I want you to understand this.
Starting point is 00:44:09 TimCast is a corporation that has an operations account so that we can pay our bills. Payroll, keep the lights on. Everything. As of January 1st, it's effectively frozen because we now have incurred
Starting point is 00:44:20 a massive debt to the government that we don't know what it is until our accountants can go through the books and tell us what that number is going to be. So we need a massive profit margin to make sure that we can cover whatever our projected taxes may be. And so throughout the year, we are forced to save. We can't invest it. So you could do one thing. Hey, what if you operated a loss? Bigger corporations, but at our size, maybe once we're bigger, we can play this game. At our size, the challenge is we make money every month. And then we have to have that money set aside because we know we have a tax liability coming up.
Starting point is 00:44:57 We have estimated taxes that we have to pay every month. The state takes it as well. West Virginia is very burdensome. And then once it ticks over from December to January, January 1st, we need money to operate and we don't know what our tax liability is going to be. So it's this really ridiculous position. Literally right now, until our accountants come back and tell us what our liability is, we effectively can't invest in anything. So the profits that we earn, we may be at zero. We may have earned enough profits to where we've got to pay the government most of it, and there's very little money left over. The biggest
Starting point is 00:45:31 concern is we operated at a loss or close to one, and come January, we're going to pay taxes, which puts our operating account lower than we need to be and puts us in murky territory. If we want to keep money in the account, we get taxed at an exorbitant amount. It's an insane system. I'll just keep it real simple. From January until December, every month we're trying to budget effectively to make sure we have enough money every month
Starting point is 00:45:55 to pay all the bills. And we need money set aside for if there's going to be a rainy day, a power outage, equipment failure. But as soon as you jump from December to January, all that's out the window and you can't budget effectively anymore. It's very silly.
Starting point is 00:46:09 It's a huge liability for the most important businesses in our country, which is small to medium-sized businesses, right? Because those are the family-owned ones. Those are the ones where if they go broke, it isn't shareholders losing value, it's people losing their livelihoods. And it creates these huge burdens downstream in the economy as well.
Starting point is 00:46:27 And because, as you said, the big guys can operate at a loss for years and just keep writing that loss off and passing it down the road. You don't have the option to do that. I don't have the option to do that. So when they hit you with a 50% tax instead of a 20% tax, which is still too much, but it is what it is, right? Like we got to fight this battle somewhere. When they hit you with 50%, that means that you have to make 50, the upcharge on your services, as it were, have to be 51% or your business doesn't exist anymore. Here's a good way to explain it.
Starting point is 00:46:54 In this line of work, January is a dead marketing month. Yep. That's where you build infrastructure though. And if you don't have the money to do it, how do you do it? Right. And so what ends up happening, we build around this, but let's say at the end of december your
Starting point is 00:47:10 profit is two hundred thousand dollars so that means the year ends you've got 200 grand you need 200 grand to operate january when your revenue sinks because no one's buying ads anymore so january hits and these are net 30 contracts. You're not going to get paid to the end of the month. So February is the actual dead month because December is actually where they offload. So this is an interesting phenomenon. December is where the marketing departments offload all of their money and ad rates skyrocket for ridiculous reasons.
Starting point is 00:47:39 Largely, they're just like, we got a million bucks left in the budget. Let's buy something. So that money is not going to hit your accounts until February. So January, you've got a couple hundred thousand dollars, just hypothetically, you use that for payroll, for infrastructure, and now your revenue is way low. You also owe taxes, but you're using the money that you made from the last month for your operations. So that means every month you need to save up. So you have a buffer, but now you have higher profit, which is a higher tax liability. So the more you try and save to offset that you're going to have January, February, and March as weak revenue months.
Starting point is 00:48:11 To be fair, largely March and April. Every February, people who run media companies get sad because you know your ad rates are low. The revenue from January was very, very bad because nobody was buying. And the money you had left over from last year is being taxed massively. So the first quarter always sucks. This is a ridiculously insane system. It's ridiculous. And look, there are good companies and bad companies.
Starting point is 00:48:38 Some of them take advantage. The ad sellers, a lot of them want to do their contracts in February and March for that reason. Because they want it to be your lowest period of the year. It's anti-sweeps, basically, right? sellers a lot of them want to do their contracts in in february and march for that reason because they want you to come they want it to be your lowest period of the year it's anti-sweeps basically right and uh yeah we get hammered every every march actually yep this is the month we when they come to and offer you dirt rates yeah we're just like nah we're good we're good keep it yep i mean next time right so to simplify because we have a tax liability abruptly put on us as a day passes, we try every month to make sure we have a certain margin of profit because we know we need tax liability and operating costs. The problem is the more we save to cover the tax liability, the bigger the tax liability gets.
Starting point is 00:49:18 It's nuts. It's recursive. It's like it's it's certainly the tax liability for everyone sucks, especially for the less amount of money you make. It sucks. Any amount of money is going to help you more. But if we're trying to build a strong economy from the inside out, taking people's ability to expand what's actually working for no apparent reason either seems like a very silly thing to do. It seems intentionally to keep people kind of, you know, away from upward mobility. for no apparent reason either seems like a very silly thing to do. It seems intentionally to keep people kind of, you know, away from upward mobility in my opinion. Well, let's jump to this viral video that's popped up today. Oh, boy.
Starting point is 00:49:53 We've got this from— I've got to be careful here. You've got to be careful here. You've got to watch it here, Dan. I'm going to stretch. So this is a video from Donald T. News. Unhinged driver pulls a gun on a cyber truck in a road rage incident. What's your reaction?
Starting point is 00:50:07 Share so we can identify this man. The question is, is this a road rage incident or is this an anti-Tesla guy? This might just be a road rage incident. Hard to say. It is, especially because of what's going on. Now, we don't know that he actually pulled a gun, but look at this. When are people going to learn that these vehicles have cameras on them? That guy's going on. Now, we don't know that he actually pulled a gun, but look at this. When are people going to learn that these vehicles
Starting point is 00:50:26 have cameras on them? That guy's going to lose his arm. You can see his license plate, too. I don't know if this video is going viral. And let's just jump to it. There you go. What is that?
Starting point is 00:50:37 I don't think it's a gun. I don't know. It looks like his index finger is tucked, but I can't tell what it is. It looks like a sunglass case. That would be... Look, if you're in texas
Starting point is 00:50:45 maybe his plates suggest he is um geez and you're pulling something that looks like a gun on somebody you may want to make sure that it is oh i think i know where that is that looks stafford texas is where is it yeah it's right it's right around houston is the idea that that was like a holstered weapon maybe that's what somebody said it looked like a holstered weapon to me it's hard to tell to be honest i don honest. I don't know. I don't know, man. Either way, it's really dumb. And again, like you said, this has been going on for some weeks now.
Starting point is 00:51:14 People know that sentry mode's a thing, yes? Do they know this? I guess they don't. Who did we have on who just said they didn't know? Carl? Carl Benjamin said, I didn't know the Tesla said cameras. He's like, I don't drive one. I don't know. Yeah, then we have this from Libs of TikTok.
Starting point is 00:51:30 Tustin police in CA are asking for information on this Tesla vandal keyed a Tesla. Well, there you go. I mean, these people. We don't need the music. No, we definitely don't need that music. This is crazy. It's a high emotional dysregulation it is the way i see most of it's like what the hallmark of most of these cases is they get really really emotional they have no ability to center themselves or stop themselves from doing something stupid and they don't care what
Starting point is 00:51:58 the repercussions are that or they've just never actually suffered the repercussions from their actions dude and all the cognitive dissonance as well. Like, their own actions are causing a lot of the problems. They just can't see it. They're never going to, unfortunately. I think some of it is a result of oppression FOMO. None of these people have ever been literally oppressed in their entire lives. And you notice how, like, aside from the obese man on the homemade four-wheeler,
Starting point is 00:52:22 which is oppressive, by the way. That was impressive. Of all the things that happened, I was like, all right, that's kind of cool, actually. Yeah, I mean, not the vandalism. That's whatever, but it was cool that he built that thing. I think someone's going to die. I mean, I can't believe no one's been killed in the firebombing stuff yet, to be honest. It's so dangerous, especially with those lithium batteries.
Starting point is 00:52:39 We saw it in the Vegas guy that blew himself up. That stuff really ignites when he's dead. So this is crazy. When we saw the story from Vegas of the firebombing in the vehicles, we did not actually know the full story, which they've now released with the arrest of this guy. He actually took a rifle and shot upwards at cameras. So those bullets went somewhere. Somewhere, yeah. Yep, because he missed. Because gravity exists, obviously.
Starting point is 00:53:02 Right, but also he missed. He did not hit the building. He then spray-painted resist on the building, unloaded the rifle on a bunch of cars, and then started throwing Molotov cocktails. So it was a sustained and prolonged terror attack on this thing for some time. I think a lot of people assumed, I know I did, that it was a guy who threw some Molotovs and ran away. No, he was there for a while, and they ended up fighting him probably because of this but i mean the the the extent of these attacks that we've seen are they are worse than we realize yeah and do you do you really think it's do you think it's fomo because they have a prussian fomo or is it that they truly do see themselves as somebody who's doing something good for people that's part of it too that's what it feels feels like. It's the ultimate virtue signal. I think it's a symptom of the same disease
Starting point is 00:53:45 because now the social currency used to be honor and integrity, right? Are you a good man? And that would be your purchase into a community. I'm a good man. I'm a good one, whatever. Now it's like, rank me on the victim scale and that's where I am. But if you're
Starting point is 00:54:01 a middle class white person, where do you land on that? So you've got to manufacture it, right? You have to manufacture it somehow. So you have to take on the burdens of other groups basically is what happens. So that's why you see all the white people at the BLM stuff. They don't actually care about this. Come on. It's why they use the language
Starting point is 00:54:18 ally. Because they want to make sure that you're part and parcel to their cause. It's why they're showing up to black neighborhoods and burning them down while black people ask them to stop yeah it's like hey i got a shop there bud yeah i mean that was all over like in minneapolis there was uh independently owned businesses that were please don't burn us down yeah it's not the the famous video of the uh there's a firefighter who saved up and then opened a bar a sports bar was his dream and he's in the building being interviewed by local news crying because they
Starting point is 00:54:46 burnt, they just, they ransacked it. And as he's being interviewed, people are stealing the safe and carrying it out the back. They came back after he gave that interview and burned the building to the ground. So you were at some of this stuff with Occupy back in the day. I lived in Oakland during that whole thing in uptown Oakland on Piedmont Avenue. Right.
Starting point is 00:55:04 And I remember all these Berkeley students, and I was working in security contracting back then, emergency management stuff. And I was playing clothes in some of these things. But even by my house, which was on Piedmont Avenue, I saw this large group of white children marching by saying whose streets are streets. And I'm like, you guys may want to take the temperature on your whole situation here, because I don't think you're understanding what's actually going on. It's, it's, it's, you know, it's, it was very bizarre. And then I was at, I recall being at Berkeley actually, and there were protests going on and a buddy of mine, he's a cop that grew up in West Oakland, black dude. And there's this 19 year old white kid yelling at him, Hey, you're a racist. You're a racist.
Starting point is 00:55:46 I'm like, oh, my God, this is the best thing that's ever happened to me. This is hilarious. Like you couldn't pay for this kind of irony anywhere. You know what I mean? So I think these people's minds, to your point. There's there's there's a part of it that is like trying to search out this social, I guess, acceptance from somebody somewhere, and they just don't get it anywhere because they're not part of the new victim class, as it were. So they have to reach out and find ways to identify with that.
Starting point is 00:56:15 And part of it, well, the way it started was doing the protests, and then it moved on to thoughts and prayers and pronouns and and flags in your bio black squares it's nonsense right it's just all not you you've you've gotten all the dopamine and serotonin from helping somebody but you've never actually helped them the true definition of slacktivism yeah it's it's absolute nonsense and now it's like i think they're waking up to the fact that they've been doing nothing for the last 15 years while all this is going on like oh i better go key somebody's car i better actually do something and this is how revolutions begin sometimes well so i was uh i think i was talking to cody about it we were talking about how insane everything's gotten politically on the
Starting point is 00:56:53 ground and i was saying that's like if if 20 years ago a dude dressed up in full like neo-nazi outfits and started going around spewing racial slurs at people. What would happen to that guy? He would probably get beat up by somebody. He'd probably get beat up by somebody. And that's still true to this day. That's just Kanye West now. So it's still true in every circle. When this guy showed up in Portland, and you had a bunch of right-wingers having a rally, and he was wearing swastikas.
Starting point is 00:57:20 This is when you were out there? I was not there when this happened. Okay. A guy showed up with a swastika flag, and he was doing the Sea Highland, all that stuff. They kicked him out, and they told him to get,
Starting point is 00:57:29 they shoved him, and they said, get out. The right did that. The left would have knocked him out. But the point is, what we're, I think what we're seeing with the keying
Starting point is 00:57:37 is that 30 years ago, anybody in any, anywhere would have probably said, you know, someone's, like someone would beat up a neo-Nazi guy. The left views literally anybody outside of their political sphere like that. And so the problem is they're insane. But these people who are keying these cars literally think we are in a society that is 99 percent anti-zi and that is a nazi car so i'm going to
Starting point is 00:58:07 damage it they're wrong because they're diluted based on what the media has been feeding them and what they're getting from social media but i guess the point of the story is so that we can see how we used to have a cohesive moral society regardless of political affiliation right one thing we could all agree on my point is that these people have not become uh more violent is that the violence always existed in people to attack those who are deemed outside of the overton window and today the overton window is bifurcated and we are all outside of their overton window so to them they are justified in doing this and always have been what do you think the impetus for that is do you think people are just naturally growing apart or do you think it's more the constant propaganda?
Starting point is 00:58:47 Technology. It's technically the propaganda, but it's rooted in algorithmic distribution of information. Like the outrage algorithm? You can tie it back to when you got the internet in your pocket. Absolutely. That was a weapon that was just fed into everyone's pocket. We were talking about it with Rachel Zegler in her new movie, and I was like, you do realize that these companies
Starting point is 00:59:08 aren't putting social media clauses into their contracts, and every one of these actors carries around a nuclear weapon in their pocket that can blow a $200, $300 million piece of entertainment in 10 seconds. Yet we as a society haven't found a way to deal with that. Don't you think it started a little bit earlier though? Like with the, we saw little flashes of it and certainly technology made it way worse.
Starting point is 00:59:31 It just made it easier and more quick. And it also made it so much easier to get it out to everybody all at once. Well, we saw little flashes. Like there was the Atwater thing with Nixon, with the unfortunate things he said about the South, mostly racist stuff. But then more in the mainstream was the Newt Gingrich.
Starting point is 00:59:53 When Newt Gingrich became Speaker of the House, he and what's that guy's name? I can't remember the guy's name from the right-wing messaging service, but they kind of turned the word liberal into a bad word. That was their main focus in the mid-'90s was to make the word liberal a pejorative term huh no no not rush no although he no it was a um man i can't remember the guy's name he's a communications expert for the republicans you still see him around everywhere he's the guy that invented the phrase death tax
Starting point is 01:00:18 actually to uh to mean the uh the capital gains tax but um But yeah, we saw flashes of it. There were already these people trying to make this point that, hey, that's not just somebody you disagree with. That's your enemy. And then social media obviously amplified that to the nth degree. But in the early days of social media,
Starting point is 01:00:37 it wasn't that. It was cat videos and stupid nonsense, right? Well, so the debate that happened, you know, like eight years ago in the culture war at the time when it was intersectional femininity, we didn't say wokeness. Dr. Peter Boghossian, James Lindsay and Helen Pluckrose argued it was universities that created these ideas. They fomented them. And then the students came out and did their thing.
Starting point is 01:00:59 And I argued that's not correct because universities contain many different ideologies and many different student groups. The universities adopted these ideologies largely because of the Internet and what young people were using to communicate on a daily basis. So it wasn't the professors that were telling the kids be communists. It was social media telling them this. And then the kids told their professors, we are communists. The universities then said the customer is always right. But it doesn't help that these are echo chambers that you're in. Like I've got a TikTok a few years ago and I started following a bunch of skateboarders.
Starting point is 01:01:31 And then I think I came across one of Tim's videos and watched it. And then it started kind of feeding me more and more kind of conservative things. I was like, oh, this is cool. You know, I kind of get down with this. But then it started actually becoming like extreme things. And now sometimes I'll go on my TikTok and there's very like crazy. Like we need a white, a white Europe, like just very to the extreme,
Starting point is 01:01:49 right thing on Tik TOK. Yeah. I'm like, dude, I just want to watch skateboard videos. This is crazy to me. And this is what I was saying too, because everybody always wants to make the joke you are given.
Starting point is 01:01:58 I mentioned something like there's it popping videos on Instagram and pimple popper. Yeah. Not no free ads ads but that's is that is that a person it's a real person also she's made millions of dollars these these are vomitous disgusting videos and instagram will try and show them to me and then people go haha tim it's showing you what you like no no no it's testing the waters with various random things at a time so when you go on instagram or or TikTok, it periodically will show you something random,
Starting point is 01:02:25 a mutation in the algorithm. It feels like it does that on Sundays to me. Like my Sunday algorithm looks vastly different. It's multivariate testing is what it's called in the market. Right. It's a genetic mutation. Periodically, it's going to show you a little bit
Starting point is 01:02:36 of what you like and it's going to slowly evolve. You know what I'm really, really, really, I want to swear so bad. I hate ping pong. That's a weird thing to hate that much. But I hate it because of Instagram. Oh, really? Because they keep sending me the videos, and I don't watch them.
Starting point is 01:02:53 Like competitions and stuff? Of people playing ping pong. And it's crazy because I feel like they're running an experiment on me, which is why I'm so pissed off about it. Because I've never watched the video. I don't watch the video. It all started when I went to the Apple Valley Mall or whatever in Winchester with Allison, and we were waiting for Zoomies to open, and we were 10 minutes early. So we walked to the mall,
Starting point is 01:03:13 and they had a ping pong table, and I chuckled, and I said, hey, let's play. And we played a silly game with we don't really know the rules, and then I said, whatever. Never tweeted, never posted, never took pictures, went to Zoomies, looked around. I think I was buying, it was when I bought a bunch of wheels and bearings for the park that we have downstairs. I was like, we just need a ton of bearings for people if something breaks. On the way back in the car, I look. There's a ping pong video in my feed. I ignore it. I don't watch it.
Starting point is 01:03:36 Now, it endlessly feeds me ping pong. And I've actually got, so first I said, I'm going to ignore it and just keep doing the skateboard videos skate poker and skateboarding and sometimes uh what do i get poker skateboarding and food lots of pizza dave portnoy videos where he's eating pizza for days but i do like those videos that's okay so so it got to a point where i got so many ping pong videos that i just actually went in and said this is disturbing on every single every time, it will not stop sending me ping pong. To this day. To this day. You may want to call either an exorcist or the FBI or something.
Starting point is 01:04:12 I think it's an experiment to see if they can force someone through repeated exposure to start watching content they don't like. Well, they haven't met you. That's not going to work. I know. You're just going to get angrier as it goes on. No, that's how these TikTok videos are. Like I said, I just want to watch funny like i sent a lot of memes to my girlfriend julia like a bunch of cat shit and it's like okay we send skateboard videos we send
Starting point is 01:04:31 this and i keep getting all this weird propaganda shit like just being completely fed into my feet i'm like dude i don't want to see this type of stuff i just i get on talk yeah this is on tiktok man it's really weird with instagram it's not as. It's weird to me how they decided to couple the different groups of information together. Yeah. Maybe that's the result of the testing that's gone on. Okay, I just got to say real quick. Are you seeing one right now? No, no, no.
Starting point is 01:04:57 But I pulled this up and it made me realize something. So I get a lot of skateboarding, Magic the Gathering, and poker. And then comedians, because I follow Ryan Long. He's hilarious, by the way. He's fantastic. And Danny, Danny Polishchuk, shout out. But it started showing me a bunch of severance clips. That's because you were saying the word in front of all these devices.
Starting point is 01:05:20 I guess so. That's what that is. I used to not think that was the case. Tim Cook in particular was like, no, tim but you're going to watch this samsung's been sued twice for this the the tvs and then the refrigerators were listening to you your refrigerators yeah to your point though about the emotional dysregulation in your phones is like you you notice if you spend especially before bed if you spend a lot of time on your phone it can absolutely affect your mood.
Starting point is 01:05:45 Yeah. Right. So you fall into a death spiral of just looking, looking, looking. Now imagine you have no self-control and you're consistently looking at your phone and you're out in public and you're watching all of this stuff that upsets you. And then you see a Tesla and stuff like that. Like maybe 10 years ago, that guy sees that at home on his television but he goes outside he gets fresh air he gets away from the screen for even 20 minutes right and it somehow recalibrates his brain even just a little bit to allow him to say that's not a good idea do not do this something bad could come of doing something like this but if you have it being fed to you 24 hours a day
Starting point is 01:06:22 seven days a week you're not going to be able, especially if you're not aware that it's happening. And I wonder sometimes if any of them even think about what their algorithm is actually doing to you. I mean, I feel like people maybe in this space actually do more than your average person because your ideas are being called into question. So you're wondering what the content that you're looking at. And I feel like both sides end up falling into it at least a little bit right so if you're not paying attention to what the algorithm is feeding you
Starting point is 01:06:49 it's upsetting you it's angering you and you don't have any other way to let it out and all you do is you see a tesla you see a cyber truck and say i have to do something it's also immoralized right yes like they've rationalized it and they believe they're right. Who could have? I actually, so I got one of the videos. Do you ever see one of these? Um, no. It says, can the ball escape all 1,000 rings in time? That's just a death scroll sentence right there. And there are tons of videos like this where they're nonsensical mind rot videos where you just look at the screen and then watch a ball bounce around for one minute.
Starting point is 01:07:28 I catch myself sometimes watching it. I'm like, oh, I got to get out of here. You know, to your point about emotional dysregulation, we have completely interrupted the very natural process or relationship rather between effort and outcome. And I think that's a big part of this. It used to be that, you know, if you don't work, you don't eat. That's, that's the best way to say it, I guess. But effort used to equal outcome, right? And the effort in this, in this regard, in the social regard, as far as social acceptance goes, it used to be that my community needs something. So I'm going to either develop my skills to be able to do it, or I'm going to help right now. And I'm
Starting point is 01:08:01 going to win the social reward for that both physically, like the biochemicals in my body are going to reward me for it, but also society rewards me for it. And now we get those rewards without having actually done anything. So that's the positive. It's weaponizing the positive stuff against us. And then what you're saying is weaponizing the negative part of it. And they're both very true. So to try and wrap up that point I was making earlier,
Starting point is 01:08:24 which launched this conversation about universities and social media, because someone super chatted saying professors are commies. You're indeed they are. They are. You are correct. But not all of them. Many of them were classical liberals. There weren't a lot of conservatives. Actual classical liberals.
Starting point is 01:08:38 Right. Not the way that people say it. So what ends up happening is I know I explain this a lot to, you know, periodically on the show. But for those that don't the context, forget for that note is already forgive me. But for those that don't, let's say you're 10 years old in 2006. You're not on Facebook. A couple of years later, you join Facebook. You're now 13.
Starting point is 01:08:58 At that time, at the end of the 2000s, there was a website in the top 500 websites in the world, and all it did was display police brutality videos. They were making millions of dollars doing this because Facebook would promote those videos more than anything else. The rage and injustice generated traffic clicks and shares, and Facebook didn't care what was causing it. It just said, whatever works. So at the time, YouTube was largely promoting big-tittied women. Thumbnails for most YouTube creators that were successful were constantly incorporating women in bikinis because you had a choice on the front page of YouTube. What are you going to click? YouTube said, whichever one gets clicked the most, that's the one we want. And so people started clicking on thumbnails of big-tittied women. On Facebook, it was a scroll
Starting point is 01:09:49 feed. Whatever you'd stop and look at and then share, Facebook would say more. What ended up happening to these young kids, you're 13 years old, you're on Facebook, you're seeing, you know, it's my birthday today, you know, just got married, a new movie is out, and a police murdered a black man. You scroll down, movies, movies, police murdered a black man. You scroll down. This is how we have a generation of people when asked, how many unarmed black men are killed by police? They say 10,000, 20,000, when the number is actually nine. Nine, yeah. Douglas Murray had that in his last book, I think, talking about that. Like, if you ask, the breakdown is if you ask somebody who is a solid Democrat, they say 100. If you ask somebody who is a or I'm sorry, center left.
Starting point is 01:10:32 If you ask somebody who's a solid, I only vote for Democrats. It was a thousand. And if you ask a progressive, it was 10,000. Right. And the answer is nine. So what's happening is at this time, companies were trying to figure out how to make money. And they said said what articles get shared the most i actually worked for some of these companies in the early 20s in the 2010s
Starting point is 01:10:50 and they said rage uh any so uh mothers middle-aged women are the most likely to share content and content that makes you angry is most likely to get shared. So the target was make content that's going to piss off moms. A kid grows up on Facebook seeing literally nothing but police beating black people. They believe this country is a bunch of white supremacists running around beating black people. They see a black cop and think to themselves, why would he support an institution that literally exists only to beat black people? But they don't realize that they were being fed an echo chamber chamber for us that were older we talked about the echo chamber at the time we lived before it we had the good fortune of having lived before it actually so when we were all saying ah it's an echo chamber we know we still understood what life was like before that but this exists for the right and the left as well oh yeah
Starting point is 01:11:43 that being said one of the greatest gifts the left accidentally gave was the exists for the right and the left as well. That being said, one of the greatest gifts the left accidentally gave was the censorship of the right, which forced the right onto a bunch of different platforms, resulting in a bunch of different ideologies. And it made rational, normal people find the ability to communicate in a space that was dominated not by one powerful ideology, but many different that came together. Whereas the left, it's adhere to the cult or else. Yeah. And I think in very simple terms,
Starting point is 01:12:12 we amplified rage, whether it was intentional or not, it doesn't matter. And then we turned off testosterone in men, which produces a complete deregulation of emotional control. Like you lose it all. There is no emphasis on any form of stoicism anymore. Right. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:12:28 Which stoicism is basically just like the first thing you should master is yourself. If you wanted to define stoicism, that is it. So should we as a society take control of the social media platforms and decide what content gets shared? I don't think you can. I mean, these algorithms are so complicated now.
Starting point is 01:12:46 I don't even know if the people that made them understand what's going on. You can. What YouTube does is they put a negative algorithmic threshold on right-leaning content and a positive one on left-leaning content. Sure. So TikTok does this very heavily. And then what ended up happening with the TikTok ban is you got a bunch of conservatives cheering for it, despite the fact they were in the ghettos of TikTok.
Starting point is 01:13:07 They wanted this machine to exist, which props up leftist ideology and destroys conservatives because they were getting morsels. So it's possible. Well, when you say we as a society should take it over, who is we exactly? The ones who win the culture war. I have to say I do disagree with that to a degree being able to control what's being put out there i think that you should be able to be the creator of whatever you want and however you want yourself to be viewed online i just think the aggressiveness of some of these algorithms gets out of hand i mean it starts leading you down these radicals
Starting point is 01:13:40 to extremism like so i do have to say i don't agree with necessarily controlling what's put out on the internet, but not just leading. I think what Tim means is, how are we going to manage this in a way that they're not doing exactly what you're talking about? So I would think it would be more of a let off the gas pedal on those algorithms instead of controlling the media.
Starting point is 01:13:57 Yeah, but people will create their own, I guess. One of the early things that Elon talked about in Twitter, and it never really materialized, probably because it's just too much of a lift at the moment. And we both agree and have since he purchased Twitter that he got it for the AI purposes. Agreed. But anyways, beyond that, one of the things they talked about in the very early days was being able to open source the algorithm and then manipulate it yourself with radio buttons or whatever it was. That never materialized, but I would be very interested in seeing even a small test version of that somewhere or uh the fediverse
Starting point is 01:14:28 yeah where you basically network into how you see fit but i would say to you cody the issue with what you're describing is we let off the gas pedal on the algorithms there is so when youtube first started when facebook and and first started, there weren't algorithms. It was reverse chronological feeds. The content that dominated YouTube was any thumbnail with boobs in it. I'm not trying to be crude, but that's true. Because YouTube's 93% men. Of course it did.
Starting point is 01:14:57 But even then, like the saying, I guess the joke is, who's on the cover of a woman's magazine, a man or a woman? On the cover of a woman's magazine? It's a woman. Who's on the cover of a woman's magazine a man or a woman uh on the cover of a woman's magazine it's a woman who's on the cover of a men's magazine a woman exactly it should be so uh right and so women are have no problem clicking on these things maybe not at higher frequencies but men will always and so it didn't matter what the content was early youtube had a problem where someone will make a video where it was just like a black screen with a timer but the thumbnail would be you know a hot woman and it would have millions of views so youtube said okay when we do nothing people flood the zone with insane garbage that's pissing off our users because they think they're clicking a beautiful okay here's what we can do a light touch thumbnail fraud if your thumbnail does not represent the video we can ban you from the
Starting point is 01:15:45 platform yeah and they did they did other smaller things too like a view doesn't count until it's seven seconds or 10 seconds or 13 or whatever they change it over time now it's 30 i remember the remember the days of old 301 plus oh yeah early youtube any video that exceeded 301 views within a short period of time would freeze at 301 and you knew it's like oh it's getting a lot of views i wonder what number is going to be But so that's the issue of do nothing. You do nothing and you get garbage, pure garbage, because then the algorithm is simply the human algorithm. So we want sex, drugs and rock and roll, and that'll be the only content. So YouTube said the problem is that results in people leaving the platform because people would
Starting point is 01:16:24 click on this video and get nothing and say, that's not what I wanted. I'm getting frustrated and leave. So they implemented rules. Then the advertisers, a long story short, they started making a bunch of changes. One of the issues with social media was too much content was being posted. So YouTube has completely abandoned subscribers. Subscribers mean literally nothing. To everybody watching this show right now, hit the notification bell and make sure, because
Starting point is 01:16:51 you have to say this, YouTube warns you, how many of your subscribers actually have selected the notification bell? And now the notification bell doesn't even work either. The argument was, when you subscribe to a channel, you will get a notification when that channel produces a video, and those are the videos you will get a notification when that channel produces a video. And those are the videos you will get on the front page. But I only send several notifications per day.
Starting point is 01:17:10 Not at first. Right. So what happened was people started getting angry. I'm getting too many emails every day. And YouTube said, you subscribed to these channels. Unsubscribe, but I don't want to. It's like, okay,
Starting point is 01:17:20 then we're going to limit the notifications you can receive. People then started subscribing to too many. So they were subscribed to too many. So when they would go to the front page, it would be a random spattering. And now they weren't watching anything. So YouTube said, we're going to have to decide for you. Now on YouTube, 40% on average of a channel's viewership are unsubscribed and do not subscribe.
Starting point is 01:17:42 But they watch regularly, which is nuts. That's crazy. What's the percentage for this channel? I think it's 40. 60-40? Actually, it's less. It might be like 25 to 30. Ours is like split 50-50.
Starting point is 01:17:57 Yeah. Wow. It's about 50% is unsubscribed. We're talking about a mountain of content. I think it's over 700,000 hours of content uploaded to YouTube daily now. 700,000 hours. You know what's the funniest thing about YouTube?
Starting point is 01:18:10 I actually, I was meeting with Google back in like 2012 at Google HQ and talking to them about their plans and what they were doing. They wanted to compete with Netflix. Explicitly, the YouTube managers, I'm sitting in the Google room at lunch, and they said, Netflix is stealing all of our users. And I said, you're not going to compete with Netflix. You're insane. Before Netflix existed with online streaming, YouTube had all digital viewership. People had nowhere else to go. That's why Vice documentaries were so big, because it was long form content. So YouTube said, let's prioritize videos that are at least 10 minutes long with a high watch time.
Starting point is 01:18:50 That way we start getting more vice documentary style videos. What did they get? Video game streams and podcasts. How did they respond? No, this is not what we want. Ban them, ban them all.
Starting point is 01:19:03 We don't want video podcasts and they can't compete banning everybody and they can't compete with the streaming services with documentaries anyways because they get them out the infrastructure is so well built that they get documentaries done two days after a story breaks which is really funny too now because youtube's heavily invested in live sports oh yeah as well and so i mean netflix is getting into that as well oh yeah netflix has wwe, which is crazy. You know, what I will say is really fascinating is 10 years ago, I predicted fame would be over in the next 10, 20 years. And I stand by that largely except in sports.
Starting point is 01:19:36 And it's because sports leagues can only be so big as a league. Whereas media distribution can be an infinite number of channels. You just described why a fiat fiat currency is stupid by the way explain because there's a finite amount of real currency and a fiat currency you just print more which means it has no intrinsic value indeed so where does uh where do you draw the line at celebrities who's going to be the last celebrity uh having 200 000 people that know who you are isn't really a celebrity in the way that we think of it. Right.
Starting point is 01:20:06 Right. So if if so, what was what was so I was at NAB in the Netherlands having this discussion and some guy said, you're wrong. There will always be celebrities, athletes. He's like the messy or I can't remember who he mentioned at the time, but like the top soccer player in the world is always going to be super famous. And I said, I disagreed. I would actually split the difference now and say he was he was largely right about that. I was wrong, but he wasn't as right as he thought. The amount of people who are going to know who the top basketball player is goes down, but they will still maintain celebrity status more so than any other area of media because there's only so many teams only so many games it doesn't so right now for media some
Starting point is 01:20:52 people watch cnn some some people watch joe rogan some people watch jeremy hambly some people watch russell bland's uh brand so sorry russell russell brand some people watch tim cast iRL i think russell's great by the way. That was a slip of the tongue. Whatever you think of him, Bland is the last thing you can call him. Right, right, right. But the point is, it's not one show anymore. There's even, you know, with all due respect to Joe Rogan, based on the current podcast stats across the board,
Starting point is 01:21:20 his numbers have decreased substantially from where they were several years ago because more and more shows keep emerging and people are dispersing. So some people, you know, I went on a radio show in New York and the guy said, man, you're like the king of the internet. And I'm like, oh, come on, bro. We have like 2 million subs. It's a big show, but. There's 2 billion people on YouTube. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:21:39 And there are shows that get a million, 2 million per night and we're doing 6, 700,000. So, you know, we're big, but watches the show yeah and his friends watch the show there are so many shows there's going to be mid-level fame but then athletes because they're not going to make more soccer leagues more world cups that fame will still be there yeah ronaldo will still be the the most subscribed person on social media yeah we might be going through just like a modality change in communication right now. Real quick, someone super chatted this the other day. Taylor Swift is considered to be a megastar right now, but she's pulling in a fraction, a tiny fraction of what Metallica pulls in. And that is the celebrity superstar of the day.
Starting point is 01:22:24 And she gets nowhere near, like, what was that video from the 90s of the day and she gets nowhere near like what was that video from the 90s of metallica playing in germany or whatever oh yeah there's like 15 million people or something people yeah what was russia yeah it was russia phil when you need him phil to talk about it was russia for sure yeah i can't remember how many people were there but it was like a lot of fucking people i'm excuse me sorry about that there's a lot of fucking people. Excuse me. Sorry about that. There's a lot of people there. In 1991. 91, yeah. That's insane. That's wild. So we might be reaching the point.
Starting point is 01:22:48 1.6 million people in attendance. This might be like a natural process of the physical world that's happening right now, to be honest. Because if you think about the counterbalance between nuclear fusion and gravity and the star, it's what holds it together while it continues to explode. At some point, it gets dysregulated, turns to iron in the core and it blows up or it becomes a red giant. Whatever happens, right? I think we're
Starting point is 01:23:12 seeing some decentralization in media that isn't planned. It's just happening as a natural result of there's too much. Nobody's going to watch nobody in your lifetime is going to watch one day's worth of YouTube no it's 720 thousand hours a day you won't watch that much in your entire lifetime nobody will bring most people
Starting point is 01:23:32 aren't gonna be able to do that with regular entertainment exactly I laugh about people like we need to make great new shows like bro there is enough stuff out there from the last 30 years that you could watch everything you wouldn't be able to watch everything if you tried but the scale is way different now so that's the that's the problem we're having our brains were not they didn't it didn't evolve to be constantly impacted by attention to media like this so what's the natural reaction for a human being i'm going to narrow my focus down and just look at this so to your fans tim you are a celebrity right and you always will be even though even though it's not what Michael Jordan was at any given point. And it never will be again, probably.
Starting point is 01:24:07 I think you're right about that. And I think it's also affecting our modalities of communication. We've gone in this big circle where we started out around a campfire, listening to the wise old dude tell stories about our ancestors. And then we kind of graduated to sitting around a campfire, listening to somebody read from a book after the printing press. And then we went to sitting around a radio, listening to Louie Lamore and CS Lewis and Tolkien serialize their content on the radio.
Starting point is 01:24:36 And then we sat around the television listening to the president, but now there's too much. There's not three channels anymore. There's a million. So Taylor Swift, her largest show ever, 96,006 attendees. Metallica, 1.6 million. That's how many were at that Russian show?
Starting point is 01:24:54 One six? 1.6 million. To be fair, however, looking it up, after the Black Album Tour, wherever we may roam, Metallica was getting 40,000 plus, many around 60,000. Taylor Swift currently does around 60,000. So, you know, comparable. And what you're saying
Starting point is 01:25:14 about celebrities are a result of institutions. So when you say Michael Jordan, the institution is basketball or LeBron James. When we talk Michael Jackson, you're talking about the music industry, which are built up by large scale companies that put millions of dollars into this one individual because the return on investment is very, very high around that one person. Now you have institutions like
Starting point is 01:25:36 platforms, which would be like YouTube here, where somebody can, in a decentralized manner, build up a following of their own, but it's fractured compared to the size of it. It also tracks with what we value as a civilization, not the sport or the type of entertainment, but the type of person. Because we go from, you know, I guess people like Jimmy Stewart, who interrupted his career multiple times to go serve in the U.S. military, or Bob Feller or Ted Williams or Joey D,
Starting point is 01:26:04 all these guys that left highly successful entertainment careers, that's what athletics are, to go serve their country somewhere. We went from that to the Kardashians over the course of 40, 50 years. And, you know, they're out there on the hustle. They're making their money. No hate, I guess. But, you know, if you as a society admire people who, to your point from earlier, who sacrificed to something greater than themselves versus just looking in the mirror. We wrote a story about this.
Starting point is 01:26:30 It's called Narcissus. It's where the word came from. He looked in the in the water so much at his own reflection that he turned into flowers. Right. It's not that's not a guidebook. That's a warning. So I think maybe what we should do is seize all of the big tech platforms and then what we do is alter the algorithms to only
Starting point is 01:26:49 the only channels that do well will be firefighters, police EMTs and US service personnel so you will get a little bit of music here and there but all the kids growing up are going to see, I mean Elvis was in the army indeed he was, maybe Hendrix
Starting point is 01:27:04 was in the army, He was in the 101st Airborne. There you go. I am kidding, by the way. I would prefer these things. This is one of the reasons that entertainment is worse now, is that the people who have gotten into these industries haven't lived the lives that those in the past have. Served in the
Starting point is 01:27:19 military, did something really, really monumental with their life before they found their calling in the arts, right? But they've got Adam Driver. I think Adam Driver was a Marine. They've got that going for them now. I mean, look, not to say there aren't good people in Hollywood either. There's plenty.
Starting point is 01:27:34 I know a lot of them. You've got a book. Nick Cersei was in Hollywood for a long time. He's a good dude. Everybody should watch Justified if you haven't seen Justified. It's fantastic. Don't watch Severance. Don't watch Severance.
Starting point is 01:27:44 Watch Justified. He's not in that, I don't think. No. He wasn't in Justified. I'm just ragging on Severance. You should just... Is there something like an anti-ad? Is that a thing?
Starting point is 01:27:55 I don't know. Make an ad to not watch something? Talking trash about Severance and sending them an invoice? Actually, the best thing I could do if I want to hurt the show is go into liberal circles talking about that's the best show ever they should watch it that would or you could just play it on your show and people would see how bad it sucks and then i don't i i don't i don't need to get in all that i was just joking but i i hate that show and season two is really season one i give a c minus like it's not that it's bad it's just not good yeah but season two is remarkable i haven't
Starting point is 01:28:22 i haven't seen season two remarkably bad i'm not gonna watch it then you know like a spoiler alert there's an episode that ends with a major plot development in the middle of it and then the next episode completely erases it from happening totally changes the subject and then so i'm skipping through being like whoa i'm not in this situation where i'm watching a tv and i can't skip so when i turn on the next episode and i'm like i want to know what the story is i'm just fast forward situation where I'm watching a TV and I can't skip. So when I turn on the next episode and I'm like, I want to know what the story is. I'm just fast forwarding. And I'm like, I look around.
Starting point is 01:28:51 I'm like, guys, what just happened? Like the episode was intense. Shocking moment. High pitch music. And then a shock. And then I'm like, whoa, next episode. Nothing. So I skip the episode.
Starting point is 01:29:02 The next episode starts. Nothing. And then he talks to a character and says, that thing, it's over. And I was like, what? Wow. That's really bad writing. Really bad writing. Just go re-watch The Wire.
Starting point is 01:29:15 Yeah, The Wire's great. Just go re-watch The Wire. Yeah. The Wire's great. You can actually go participate. It's right down the road. It literally is. You can go participate.
Starting point is 01:29:24 It's still like that. I started watching it. You can go participate. It's still like that. I started watching it. I've never seen it. The Wire? Yeah. Oh, it's really good, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I've heard great things.
Starting point is 01:29:31 Yes. They jumped the shark a little bit in the final season with the serial killer stuff. I stick to like the first three. Yeah, yeah. It was still good. Yeah. Daredevil Born Again is a C-minus show, but considering how bad Severance is, wow. Daredevil Born Again is bad. I'm two episodes, but considering how bad Severance is, wow. Daredevil Born Again is bad.
Starting point is 01:29:45 I'm two episodes behind. Have you gotten to the—are you caught up? Oh, yeah. Okay. The episode, like, episode three with the guy who gets caught stealing the fiddle faddles might have been the worst writing I've ever seen on television ever. He is the least sympathetic person in the history of television. Is he supposed to be, though?
Starting point is 01:30:05 No, I think you're supposed to sympathize with this guy who gets caught stealing. No, because Matt Murdock doesn't. I don't buy that the writers are that nuanced. I don't know. I mean, maybe.
Starting point is 01:30:16 He still goes and... Unless you're saying that the argument here is that even though he disagrees with him, he goes and pleads his case because that's his job. Well, that's what John Adams did.
Starting point is 01:30:24 Okay, so he pleads his case to this lady and he talks about the failure he talks about the failure of that was the best scene in the in the show but uh he talks about the failures of broken windows policy and stuff like that it's the worst writing and the i i disagree that he's the word that he's the worst character he's the worst no no uh i i didn't think it was like lord of the rings or anything. But when so. So basically, there's a guy. He steals five boxes of fiddle faddle garbage snacks.
Starting point is 01:30:50 He starts complaining about how he's poor. He can't get a job. Nobody wants to hire a felon. And he's hungry. So he steals. Then they lock him up again. Now he can't get welfare. Now he has no food.
Starting point is 01:31:01 Now he's hungry again. The system is busted. It's not his fault. So he refused to go to prison. And Murdoch is like, you stole. You're going to jail. It's a real liar, liar. My point is, there is a way to write that character with a tiny bit of introspection
Starting point is 01:31:17 that makes you feel for him. Like, okay, the system is broken. Okay. There are a lot of ways in which once you find yourself, one bad decision leads you down a path of just absolute hell that you can't control but he doesn't have a second of introspection that's not what i took from it what i took from it was there are these people who want to be serial criminals who think they're justified in doing so and they should go to jail and so what happens is matt murdoch lawyer he goes to the prosecution he goes what are you giving him and she's like 30
Starting point is 01:31:44 days and he's like come on and he's like what are you giving him? And she's like, 30 days. And he's like, come on. That scene was great. That was the best scene they've done in the show so far. He wants probation. And she's like, are you joking? He's been arrested several times already for the same thing. And then you see them negotiate and she goes, and then he finally talks her down to
Starting point is 01:31:59 10 days and he goes, yes. And then he goes, I got you 10 days. And the guy's like, no, I ain't going to jail. I want to go to court. And then Matt Murdock is like, you stole, you're going to jail. Take your 10 days. There's a point in which he could have been, he could have been thankful for getting the 10 days where he has a moment of self-reflection
Starting point is 01:32:15 goes, thank you. Thank you for the 10 days. He doesn't even get that. The, uh, the next episode. Uh,
Starting point is 01:32:21 so you haven't watched after that. I'm too bad. Yeah. I'm too behind. Well, there's, there was, I'm like, I finished those two that I finished that one in the one after it. I don that? I'm too behind. I'm like, I finished those two.
Starting point is 01:32:28 I finished that one and the one after it. I'm not up to date. I haven't watched that one yet. So this episode is... Is Vincent D'Onofrio back and everything? Skinny Vincent D'Onofrio. Oh, he's skinny now. He's getting fat again. Oh, good for him.
Starting point is 01:32:40 Wait, wasn't he just fat in that Godfather's of Harlem thing? When did he get skinny? Okay, skinny is relative. He's skinnier than he was when he played the kingpin and he was a big boy back then the next episode of daredevil it may as well be a one-off short film unrelated it was it was um that was the only one from the original um set of order that they did for this series that didn't get edited or reshot in any way so that that was shot in the original run when they first started trying to make daredevil born again they scrapped everything episode two had some reshoots episode five is left completely alone that's why
Starting point is 01:33:14 it feels so different well it's a standalone yes it's completely standalone episode it's just good daredevil fun yeah he just beats up a bunch of bad guys sometimes you need oh dude and he shatters a guy's leg palate cleanser right there's he's he's fighting a bad guy. And let me just say they show he knocks him down. And then the guy is leaning against the wall and his leg is straight and he jumps on his knee. Maybe he learned something from John Bernthal there on that one. Well, the original Daredevil on Netflix was pretty brutal.
Starting point is 01:33:41 And now it's kind of not. But this was. So I appreciated it. The first six episodes, the first arc of The Punisher in season two of Daredevil is some of the best writing that they've done on television.
Starting point is 01:33:51 Yeah. It was pretty good. Punisher was great, but now it's Disneyfied. Even The Punisher show wasn't really that great because the CIA arc for that doesn't actually make sense
Starting point is 01:34:01 for the character. No. Yeah, but what other good shows we got going on right now? We're waiting for Tulsa King, right? That show's great. It's crazy that Stallone's like 900 years old. He's like in his 70s and he's just jacked. I know, and it's the show. Have you seen Tulsa King? Oh, yeah.
Starting point is 01:34:15 Oh, it's awesome. I only watched the first season. I only watched season two. Also, through the magic of medicine, like Dana Delaney has aged back 10 years as well. Well, you know, they can reverse aging in mice now. You've seen this, I'm sure. What I like in a show is like Sylvester Stallone's character in Tulsa King is kind of a dick, but he's kind of all right, too.
Starting point is 01:34:37 And that's just a guy from 25 years ago. Right. But so like he does some bad stuff, but he protects the people that work with him. And when you wrong him, he wins. Yeah. I like that. The antihero model works really well. Tony Soprano.
Starting point is 01:34:50 Yeah. He works really well. Right. And Breaking Bad worked really well. Vic Mackey worked really well. Jax Teller worked really well. Antiheroes do well. But I don't mean just antihero.
Starting point is 01:35:00 I like watching. Moral. He has a moral code. Right. But what I mean is he doesn't deserve you to be the bad guy to him. And when you try, he destroys you. That's what I like. You know, I like I like the scene where the guys at the bar like, hey, man, I don't want
Starting point is 01:35:14 to fight. Leave me alone. And the guy picks a fight and then he gets crushed. And the dude's like, I told you not to fight me. I like those scenes where the honorable guy is like, I'm trying to avoid the conflict here, buddy. Yeah, like that scene early on in on when Tom Cruise played Jack Reacher, where he was like, remember, you wanted this.
Starting point is 01:35:29 The guys outside of the bar. Yes. When they worked very hard to make him look taller than him. Yeah, because Jack Reacher in the book is 6'4", 6'5". The guy playing him now is quite a bit closer. I maintain that that first Jack Reacher film is actually really good. It's a great movie. The fact that he isn't necessarily accurate as to the... Well, if you'd never heard
Starting point is 01:35:48 of Jack Reacher before, that's a great movie. But it's because Cruise wanted to make the film, right? It only got made because... They were trying to make Jai Courtney a thing at the time. It didn't really work out, but he was great as a bad guy. He was good on Rome. They tried him... Even that's early in his career. Say what you will about Tom Cruise. I love his movies.
Starting point is 01:36:04 He's the best entertainer. I have the Tom Cruise I love his movies he's the best entertainer I have the Tom Cruise I have the Tom Cruise candle vote of candle oh yeah I think he's the best entertainer of all
Starting point is 01:36:12 you know who else I really like you give me a movie I don't care the plot Jason Statham goes around beating the crap out of people
Starting point is 01:36:19 I'm gonna watch I'm going to see Working Man this weekend he's on a string of these like Beekeeper and Working Man are the same movie exactly it's literally the same movie and it's just like oh we're calling it working man now i'll watch every single one watch it too every single one there's gonna be a couple of sequels i think to beekeeper i think there's two more of those
Starting point is 01:36:35 i'm down yeah it's because i mean david ayer is kind of single-handedly gonna bring back the mid-budget movie uh mid-budget ask uh because he's got a fairly good reputation suicide squad notwithstanding that wasn't his fault um you know that's uh i'm looking forward to that one but you know go back and watch the transporter the transporter is amazing now by today's like it kind of gets lost in the weeds at that time period because there were so many movies like that being made but you go back and you re-watch it now and it's just so much fun. I mean, to be honest, Transporter was a better version of the Fast and Furious movies in my opinion. I'm not a huge
Starting point is 01:37:10 Fast and Furious fan. Landman is really good. Landman's great, yeah. Really great show. I feel like the Meg though is kind of where I draw the line. I don't know. I didn't see the Meg. Yeah, that one didn't hit as hard. Oh, Jason Statham's in it, right? He's not traveling around beating the crap out of people. He's fighting a shark. He's just beating the crap out of a big-ass fish.
Starting point is 01:37:26 It's a megalodon? Yeah. I'm not. You know some executive is like, how about instead of bad guys, it's a shark. It's just Jason Statham. It's very 80s Hollywood. The story is deep underwater, there's like this layer of some material, and underneath it, there's a bunch of megalodons that can't penetrate through it and then something
Starting point is 01:37:45 breaks through and the megalodon gets through it or whatever it's probably graphene down there I'm glad Ian's not oh yeah
Starting point is 01:37:52 I will say however if anybody wants to talk to you about the difference between honest diversity and forced diversity in Hollywood the Fast and the Furious
Starting point is 01:37:58 is the movie you bring up if you want to talk about a movie that's actually diverse that nobody actually talks about it being diverse in fact they talked about making a female Fast and the Furious movie
Starting point is 01:38:08 and then everybody crapped on it because nobody wants it to be forced into your... We're going to go to your chats, my friends. So smash that like button. Share the show with everyone you know. Give us a like. Every like you give represents one more federal employee getting fired. I wonder how
Starting point is 01:38:23 many people are going to be like, I'm not going to like that. All the homes on sale in Loudoun County. All right, let's go. We'll start with Evan for us is can anyone tell me if there are actual differences between gender and sex? I have a family member who's studying clinical psychology, and I suppose there's supposed to be actual differences. Is it BS? It is BS. It was used interchangeably forever. And now to suit the needs of leftists whose ideology makes no sense, they decided there are two different things. Ask them what gender means and they can't tell you. They would define gender as self-expression in law, which is what they do in most jurisdictions. And that literally means personality. So gender then means nothing. Or they give you the it's a spectrum and then don't explain what that means either.
Starting point is 01:39:03 Yeah. and then don't explain what that means either yeah tyler today says i love the show in the timcast discord community tim need help to reach 100 followers on rumble by monday please shout me out tyler today news well best of luck good sir best of luck freedom sauce says utah just became the first state to ban fluoride and public drinking water let's go wow and pride flags in government buildings if if I remember correctly. Or was that somebody else? Wow. Meanwhile, Colorado is trying to outlaw hunting rifles. Yeah. Which is not great.
Starting point is 01:39:34 Could be worse. Could be ninja swords. Ninja swords. Ninja swords. Do you have this law from the UK that they're trying to get passed this upcoming week? They're trying to vote on it this upcoming week. Yeah, is it specifically katanas? I want to know what the word they use.
Starting point is 01:39:49 I hope it actually is ninja swords. Is there going to be a British Commonwealth law that says that ninja swords, literally ninja swords, that phrase, are illegal? I hope that's actually what they use. Please tell me that that's true. So does this include wakizashi as well? A little sword, right? Yeah, because when they would fight indoors, you had the long sword for outside and the short sword for inside. The short one's the wakazashi as well? Little sword, right? Yeah, because when they would fight indoors,
Starting point is 01:40:06 you had the long sword for outside and the short sword for inside. The short one's the Wakazashi, right? Yeah. But that's a samurai sword. Okay, that's going to be the best. Somebody's like, ninja swords are banned. You guys are like, yeah, this is a samurai sword. It's different.
Starting point is 01:40:19 Actually, he's going to do the voice too. Actually, this is a samurai sword. What if it's a Chinese Jiang? A Chinese broadsword. Is that okay? Yeah, and then call them racist because this this is a samurai sword? What if it's a Chinese Jiang? A Chinese broadsword? Is that okay? Yeah, and then call them racist because this is not a ninja sword. Ninjas are Japanese. This is Chinese. Is a British Claymore banned?
Starting point is 01:40:34 Scottish. Scottish? There you go. Scottish Claymore? I don't think that was ever illegal there. Are they just banning Asian swords because they're racist? Yes. You gotta ask the questions. All right, what do we got? Kyle says,
Starting point is 01:40:49 Trump should sign dozens of executive orders on July 4th that shrink government and strengthen our freedoms. It would then be on us to encourage our reps to sign them into law, which should be first. Or you can just do it and then say, sue me, you know. There was a really great point
Starting point is 01:41:02 that was brought up on the culture war this morning. We were debating the legalities of Trump's actions, principally the deportations of Mahmoud Khalil. And the liberal fellow argued you can't sign away your rights. The conservative fellow argued as a condition of visa and entry, you can be deported. You can't speak. You can't do these things like you can't be disruptive. The liberal argued free speech applies to all that are here, whether legally or otherwise. The First Amendment applies to everybody. And you can't waive your rights just because you're
Starting point is 01:41:35 coming here, to which I countered in order to buy a gun in this country, you are legally required to waive your Fifth Amendment rights. Why do we tolerate something like that? So, you know, I think that's something that actually needs to be addressed. It's been brought up many times by gun rights advocates that the NICS form requires you to self-incriminate. And this is what Hunter Biden refused to do. So I defended Hunter Biden. I was on his side with this one. He should have won on that gun charge. He should have taken it to the Supreme Court and won. So I'll just stress, if you would like to exercise your Second Amendment in this country, you forfeit your Fifth Amendment rights as it pertains to certain issues.
Starting point is 01:42:10 How is that constitutional? It's definitely not. Well, we got to win that one. Yeah. Let's go. I'm an American man says, hi, Tim, do a kickflip. You know what we should do? We should get a remote HDMI so we can actually
Starting point is 01:42:25 free float around the room when we need to. That'd be fun. Because then someone could be like, okay, maybe. Actually, my legs are stiff from sitting here for three hours, so there ain't no way I'm landing a kickflip right now. Actually, I could probably do it. Maybe not in a couple years I'll be too old.
Starting point is 01:42:41 As long as it's not a front shove. Not a front shove. A pop shove, maybe. Kenneth Hart says, the culture war was exhausting today. My wife is here after 10 months on 10-year green card. It took two months to prove she wasn't a member of Filipino terror group. We were both clearly warned if she offends the U.S. in any way, she is out. I think that's a pretty reasonable standard, to be honest. Like, you're here, if you're not a citizen
Starting point is 01:43:08 or you haven't received a green card specifically, not a visa yet, why should the entirety of the protection of our natural rights extend to you, right? I think that's a reasonable question for people to ask. Because the cost, the price for entry used to be assimilation. And that was a reasonable thing. Even Jefferson said this, that a great deal of immigration at one time could disrupt our natural culture in America. He said that in 1801, I believe. It just it seems like.
Starting point is 01:43:43 It used to just be that way. it used to just be that the price for entry was assimilation and people all agreed to it they came here because they wanted to be american now they right they come here for other reasons so maybe we need to take another look at that as all i'm saying we have a great chat from sinu of one he says lotus eaters said they weren't even japanese they were somali so now the somalis have both pirates and ninjas. We're done for. I was going to say something like they're light years ahead of us. One can only be jealous.
Starting point is 01:44:13 I don't know what timeline Somalis are light years ahead of us on, but that's a timeline. They have ninjas and pirates. I think that this argument over constitutionality and rights and everything has become redundant and it is everyone deluding themselves. So I just – and I argue this to both the liberal and the conservative gentlemen. They both disagreed and I disagree with them.
Starting point is 01:44:35 When the left justifies their arrest of Donald Trump's lawyers because, well, they weren't just providing legal advice. The legal advice was for criminal endeavors. It's like what codified law rico what what what rico well they were trying to overturn an election you decide i'm done the left is going to argue whatever they want whenever they want to be able to do whatever they want and the right tends to let them so what's the point of even arguing so it's a violation of the first the free speech of mahmoud khalil if he's deported i'm like he wasn't being deported for his speech yeah he's being deported because he's a threat to foreign national security under what is it 237 uh subsection a or whatever it's it's uh 1180 and
Starting point is 01:45:17 1220 i think in the in uh 8 usc when it comes to visa even immaterial support of any kind of foreign terror group or any kind of foreign adversary can get you ejected immediately if you're here on a visa well you can agree or disagree that that's correct or just or whatever but it's legal that's you know all right the reality is what we deem to be allowable or not is meaningless because it goes to the courts and the courts make determinations and the courts are comprised of judges who are put in power by those who help the power. So really, here's what it is. If the economy is good or bad, someone's going to win. When they do, we're then hoping the Supreme Court shifts so that we can put appointees on. Lucky for Donald Trump, he ends up getting lucky enough that Hillary Clinton sucked and the economy
Starting point is 01:46:02 was bad enough that people would vote for him. He gets to put in three conservative justices, which now starts siding across the board with the worldview of Trump. Otherwise, I'm sitting here listening to lawyers be like, well, in this year they said this and this year they said this. And I'm like, I don't care at all who said what. The question is right now, do we as a society tolerate what they're doing? And the left and the right are completely bifurcated on what they deem to be moral and just. So the left is going to argue for their whims and power when they want. The right is going to do the same. I think the right is comprised of a moral worldview that is correct. And the left are degenerate, amoral crackpots. The left think the inverse,
Starting point is 01:46:41 the right is an evil cult, whatever. I don't need to argue with people who I think are degenerate and amoral and are doing things that defy moral and principle. But they're going to do that and accuse me of doing the inverse. I'm like, then why are we why are we have a conversation? The question is, to what degree of force is being exerted to implement our worldviews? I am happy with nonviolent court cases. I don't want any chaos or conflict. And if we can all agree that if the judge bangs the gavel, the battle is over.
Starting point is 01:47:09 Fine. The problem is the left isn't doing that. They're firebombing Teslas. They're shooting up Teslas. They're beating people in the street. So I don't know where this goes. But this argument that people have that it is or is not allowed in the Constitution is completely meaningless. Right now, you have under the Immigration and Naturalization Act, everything Trump did is
Starting point is 01:47:27 allowed. Yet somehow a court is still saying it's not allowed. Well, clearly the interpretation is meaningless then. Well, even the reasons that have been given for some of these injunctions, like the one that pertained to transgender people in the military, what the judge says that was demeaning. I sorry that's there's no constitutional guarantee of not being demeaned at some point so what the hell are you talking about well so i asked him um is it cruel and unusual punishment to put a male prisoner in a female prison it is for the females not according to the left for the left the cruel unusual punishment is a trans person being put with males.
Starting point is 01:48:06 Sure, yeah. Okay, so now the 8th just said there shall be no cruel and unusual punishment. So what are we allowed to do? Nobody agrees. So the left and the right are both going to claim they're following the Constitution and the other side is unconstitutional. Do you think it's wise that we keep referring back to this? And I mean the minutiae of the law, like common law,, constitution and so on, case law that's happened over the time. Do you think it's wise for us to do that and not just like let's have a couple of principles that we definitely agree on and then every generation will figure out the next thing?
Starting point is 01:48:37 I remember – Well, principles are meaningless is the point. To some degree, but Jefferson wrote a letter to James Madison when he became president or right before he became president. And he said, the earth belongs always to the living generation. They may manage it then and what proceeds from it and as they please during their time here and however they see fit. Like basically life belongs to the living, not to 250 years ago. And I'm not saying obviously the Bill of Rights is a very important thing to us, and I think most people should agree on the underlying principle of that. And if you don't, there's probably something messed up.
Starting point is 01:49:16 I disagree. On which part? The Bill of Rights is indeterminate. In what regard? The seven articles of the Constitution are fair and fine. They outline the structure of governance, the three branches, etc. First of all,
Starting point is 01:49:32 the Second Amendment has never been protected. Never. And it's only until 2008 and then 2010 that we actually had a right in this country to bear arms, despite the fact it literally says. Technically speaking, that is true, yeah. I mean, literally speaking. I mean, we operated as if we did,
Starting point is 01:49:47 but there was no codified law that actually said it. We just assumed that that was the case. Except you'd be arrested and charged for having a gun in numerous places, which triggered D.C. v. Heller and then McDonald v. Chicago. Free speech has never been protected in this country. Obviously, in the 70s,
Starting point is 01:50:02 George Carlin got arrested for swearing at a nightclub doing comedy. But even before then, when they codified and established the Bill of Rights, you could be arrested for blasphemy. You could be arrested for public obscenity, which was things you spoke. Sure, yeah. So they did not deem those things to be free speech. You have, once again, the Eighth Amendment, no cruel and unusual punishment. But we have consistently had cruel and unusual punishment. How about in recent times, the mockery of men who are raped in prison, and that is the no cruel and unusual punishment but we have consistently had cruel unusual punishment how about in recent times the mockery of men who are raped in prison and that is the punishment you are
Starting point is 01:50:30 told you will get so everybody always says even even the ninth and tenth oh right like we don't actually we don't actually operate under a federalist society in any meaningful way right i mean that's just not true now Now, the Seventh Amendment has so much power. The Seventh Amendment is my favorite because we have absolutely, this one makes the least amount of sense. It makes the least sense of any of the amendments, for sure. Well, it's because of inflation
Starting point is 01:50:55 and because the Federal Reserve destroyed our system. Do you guys know what the Seventh Amendment is? The right to a civil jury trial for matters $20 or more. It's the one... $20 back then was $200. Yeah, it's the one, even if it was a gajillion back then, you know what I mean? It's like, that's a completely... The expectation was when they wrote the Bill of Rights that it was going to be a timeless
Starting point is 01:51:17 document that we could refer to and then adjudicate based on the circumstances of today. That was supposed to be the point. How the hell does the Seventh Amendment apply to that in any meaningful way? It's just nonsense. That's like the redheaded stepchild of the amendments. So the Ninth Amendment, the enumeration of the Constitution of certain rights should not be construed to deny or disparage
Starting point is 01:51:36 others retained by the people, but we haven't ever defined them. No, we haven't. Also, to the point you made a minute ago, the adjudication of the second amendment that happens at the federal level puts you in hot water with the fifth right so you have you have like our the standard for purchasing certain types of weapons has been codified in law to violate the ninth and the fifth oh and the second that the hell
Starting point is 01:52:03 the nfa i mean this this this is another instance where you you have to uh wave your rights in order to try and exercise some of your rights not to mention the purchase of literally any weapon and the tenth amendment of course the power is not delegated to the united states by the constitution nor prohibited by it to the states are reserved to the states respectively or to the people yeah seriously that's the least respected writing of that's ever been written on paper. Right. Give me a break. Come on, man. Yeah, the federal government applies laws and then goes and enforces them wherever they want. Yeah. So my point is this. Everybody tries to use
Starting point is 01:52:36 the Constitution. All they're really saying is, I bet I can make an argument that will convince enough people who don't pay attention to agree with me. This piece of paper gives me an argument. The liberals say, I will use the exact same document and argue the inverse, notably the Second Amendment. They argue that you've got to be in a militia. I mean, that's basically just an ontological argument, but about the laws of our country. It's a metaphysical discussion. It doesn't have any basis in reality because you're operating on two different data sets, your facts and my facts at that point. And it's in our interpretations based on those facts. Right.
Starting point is 01:53:14 So it's silly if you think about it. In the Constitution, you have seven articles and they basically outline the structure of governance. When people say it's unconstitutional, they're always referring to the Bill of Rights rights they're never referring to the actual structures of the constitution only until trump with articles one two and three are they now arguing what trump is doing is unconstitutional or otherwise which is hilarious the bill of rights so these things are clear-cut the first articles the executive shall have the power the judiciary shall interpret blah blah but the amendments themselves abridging the freedom of speech, it's been abridged the whole time and to this day. And the other argument is
Starting point is 01:53:51 the interpretation of these extends beyond just their initial meaning, the best example being the Third Amendment, which says no soldier shall in time of peace be quartered in any house without the consent of the owner, nor in a time of war, but in a manner to be prescribed by law. So a lot of people always ignore the third. They say, when do we have to worry about soldiers being in our houses? This has been interpreted by the Supreme Court not to refer to soldiers, but to mean the government can't commandeer your house for any reason unless prescribed by law. So eminent domain. So arguably, yes. But eminent domain is codified in law. So as prescribed, they're allowed to do it. In which
Starting point is 01:54:30 case, what's the point of the Third Amendment when it literally says Congress can just pass the law to overwrite it? So my point ultimately is everybody wants to claim they're protected under certain amendments to live in the moral world they want and the real problem this country has is there is no singular cohesive moral foundation right so we should probably look into that i that's why i say we're in a culture war and at this point they're going to accuse anything donald trump does of being a constitutional crisis and unconstitutional so trump is like i have the legal authority to deport you know enemy combatants and illegal invaders that i declare they're now saying no you can't the babylon b had a great article donald trump resigns from presence presidency to take a dc uh court a more powerful dc circuit court judge position yeah right of which there
Starting point is 01:55:22 are what uh well i don't know about dc circuit but of of the uh district courts that exist i think there's like 680 some judges so any one of them get to say no which is not true guy who got 80 million votes you're not allowed right come on man so is this what we're doing here and and the question then is going to be will will Donald Trump exert authority to combat those who would seek to stop him? And there's already been two zealots who tried to kill him. We don't really know what happened with the first one. The second one was pro-Ukraine. Democrats, literally Democrats, I'm just not being cute, have arrested his lawyers in, I think, two different states, criminally charging his lawyers. They've tried seizing his property, accusing him of crimes.
Starting point is 01:56:06 Will Donald Trump just say, that's the way the cookie crumbles? Or is he going to say, if you want to play that game, I'll play that game all the same. And I think the only thing we can do is hope for is that Donald Trump is willing to exhort all authorities
Starting point is 01:56:20 and powers he has under his interpretation of the Constitution because the Democrats are operating under their interpretation of the Constitution. the democrats are operating under their interpretation of the constitution and then we hope it doesn't come to any kind of extreme violence or anything and people chill out and then we get singular order i would say we have to hope as well that um congress codifies some of this stuff and trump can exit like cincinnatus and not leave us with a succession problem with powers he created that are going to be abused by people in the future.
Starting point is 01:56:45 Yep. Like that's a big thing. I like J.D. Vance. I think he's got a really good shot of winning moving forward. People seem to like him except for the extreme left. And he's a very bright guy. But this is always the problem with any kind of concentrated power is the problem with succession. That's the number one.
Starting point is 01:57:03 Can you trust the next guy? How are you just not but to be fair the democrats are they have nothing they haven't yeah so i mean they're talking about running kamala and waltz again right and i don't know other than like certainly shapiro is an attractive candidate but he says he doesn't want to run he can't he's jewish he's got he's jewish he's got young kids a lot of reason but i'm not trying to be cute i mean sir just laughing but it's true. It's a hard sell right now.
Starting point is 01:57:27 To me, so he turned down Harris when she asked him. Right. And the reason he turned it down is because he looked around at his friends on the left and was like, you guys hate me. Why am I going to run for you? Okay. I mean, that's – They would lose Michigan, and that was the concern. Yep.
Starting point is 01:57:40 I have a question then. So how many votes did Trump get in 2016 and then 2020 and what was like 61 60 something yeah um okay and then how many in the in 2020 uh 74 okay and then 74 and then in 2024 it was 74 again we got the real numbers trump got 62.9 okay and then in 2020 trump got 74.2 to biden's 81.2 74 in this one as well and then 2024 trump got 77.2 to Biden's 81.2. 74 in this one as well. And then 2024, Trump got 77.3 to Kamala 75. And so how many, outside of the anomalous of 2020,
Starting point is 01:58:16 what did the Democrats get in 2016 and 2020? 2016, Hillary got 65. And then? And then in 2024, Kamala got 75. Okay, so if they can run a candidate as bad as Kamala and get 74 million votes, is it not reasonable to think that unless they get a very, very, very good Republican candidate that can also coalesce a whole bunch of people under that banner again, that they run the risk of default liberal Democrat types just voting for whoever is there and without a strong and without a strong personality in place you don't think so because the census shift is going to pull like that's true 20 12 votes or something yeah so uh with i think mass deportation two right was it california's losing two it's gonna be way worse than that wow because of the mass deportations so when you look at net uh out migration of blue states to red states, it's going to shift something like, what, seven or eight.
Starting point is 01:59:09 Then when you add in all the mass deportations, that's not that's not a net plus for the Republican states in terms of migration. It's a straight net negative for the blue states. Yeah, this is something that people don't understand about the Electoral College. The census is what determined not the voters or even registered voters or even citizens. The census is what determines whether or not you get an extra. It's what is it, 780,000 people in a district or something like that? Yeah. So Democrats want illegal immigration so they get more votes for the president. And a legal servant class. Indeed. And more seats in Congress. So the more so this is the funny thing. They they argue illegal immigrants don't vote. And then the right says they do. They don't. They don't need to. By by merely existing in a district, they get an extra congressional rep. So the state has more power over everybody
Starting point is 01:59:56 else, which is funny because Trump's mass deportation is going to do more to protect our elections than any election law or ID law. But I think that Democrats probably won't win. As Ezra Klein pointed out, as of right now, the census shift, still five years away, is going to result in Democrats losing so many electoral votes that even if Kamala won Pennsylvania and Michigan in the last election, she could not have won. Okay.
Starting point is 02:00:20 So when you bring up the point about 75 million votes, maybe the next president, maybe J.D. Vance, doesn't get the popular vote. But the but the Electoral College votes, it won't matter. Yeah. So we'll see. All right. Let's grab let's grab one more here before we head on out. Eric Skelly says the left vandalizing the cyber trucks are turning them and owners into true cultural rebels due to just owning the vehicle could get you hurt.
Starting point is 02:00:45 Badass truck, badass owner, just like punk rock or being in a metal band. We drove around in the Cybertruck, me and Cody, people were screaming at us. Well, do you go ahead and preempt it and tag up your own truck? There's a guy driving around, so I live in Dripping Springs,
Starting point is 02:01:02 just west of Austin, right? And there's a guy that drives a Cybertruck around, and it's covered in very detailed graffiti. It was done on purpose. Oh, really? By him. But not, like, months ago. Oh, okay. It's been cruising around for probably six, eight months now.
Starting point is 02:01:15 My joke was that if anyone ever comes up to me yelling at me, I would just be like, don't look at me. I didn't know Elon was going to go crazy, but as soon as he did, I bought a Cybertruck. These things are great. Yeah. All right, everybody. thank you so much for hanging out on this friday we were chilling it's a slow news day you get what you get i know a lot of people are like where's the news sometimes lack thereof but we're going to hang out and have a conversation regardless because that's what we do so smash that like button share the show with everyone you know join the timcast discord server get involved don't just be a passive observer of the news
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