Timcast IRL - Trump Admin To BAN China Buying U.S. Farmland Citing National Security w/ Ben Bankas

Episode Date: July 10, 2025

Tim, Phil, & Brett are joined by Ben Bankas to discuss the Trump Administration planning to ban China from owning US farmland, WhatIfAltHist warning people to get off the internet because of how destr...uctive it is, the CEO of X resigning, and fears the new Superman movie will be woke.   Hosts:  Tim @Timcast (everywhere) Phil @PhilThatRemains (X) Brett  ⁨@PopCultureCrisis⁩  (YouTube, Rumble) Serge @SergeDotCom (everywhere) Guest: Ben Bankas @BenBankas (X)

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Starting point is 00:00:00 The Trump administration is finally banning Chinese purchases of farmland. I think they should seize it all outright, but it's finally happening, citing national security concerns around the military, but also food security concerns. So this is pretty big. It's a major move along with the tariffs and the moves that Trump has made. He is strengthening the United States nationally. And it'll be interesting to see what this turns into,
Starting point is 00:00:34 but we do have a bunch of other little updates on many other stories. James Comey, with this investigation that's going on, it's being reported that he was actually surveilled by phone after he posted that 8647 thing, which has many people wondering what the investigation may be, how deep it may actually go if they're actually tracking his cellular device. We got another video about leftists attacking ICE,
Starting point is 00:00:57 throwing makeshift spike strips in the street. We'll talk about that. And of course, we got to talk about Superman. It's coming out tomorrow. And apparently it's going to be woke. The story's about immigration. And of course, we got to talk about Superman. It's coming out tomorrow and apparently it's going to be woke. The story's about immigration, the director says, but apparently he's kind of walking it back because I think he's putting his movie at risk by trying to make it political. So we'll talk about all that.
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Starting point is 00:03:29 We've got some big talent. Hopefully they're confirming by tomorrow, but it's gonna be a fun show. And it's looking like, I'm not gonna say, I don't wanna say too much as that, but it may be about the depths of comedy, wokeness, censorship, and what we should or should not be allowed to say,
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Starting point is 00:04:13 I live in Austin, Texas Regular comedy mothership and I'm touring the US right now right on well what we need you. It's a slow news day Yeah, we need someone to make the show entertaining. Yeah, I'm going to do my best. Yes. The Chinese thing should be good. All right. Well, here we go. They're taking away the rice farms or whatever you said.
Starting point is 00:04:35 That's right. That's right. And we need rice. Only the sticky rice, though, right? Dude, sticky rice is so good. It is. Anyway, Brett's hanging out. What's going on, guys? It's Brett Normally pop culture crisis Monday through Friday at 3 p.m. We might cover Superman tonight But we have definitely been covering it over on our channel, so you should go over there and check out those clips
Starting point is 00:04:55 Hello, everybody. My name is Phil LaBonte and the lead singer of the heavy metal band all that remains I'm an anti-communist and a counter-revolutionary. That's boogie. Here's the story We got this from the Washington Post us to ban Chinese purchases of farmland citing national security. They say the U.S. Department of Agriculture Chief Brooke Rollins announced Tuesday the U.S. government will move to ban sales of farmland nationwide to buyers tied to China and other foreign adversaries citing threats to national security and food security, an effort that casts uncertainty over property currently held by China-linked investors. Asked whether the U.S. government would seek to take back existing land owned by Chinese
Starting point is 00:05:30 investors, Rollins said they are looking at every available option as part of a clawback effort and that an executive order from the White House will probably follow very soon. That means Trump's going to say it. It's a crawback. Crawback? Yeah. It's a crawback. Oh, it's a China joke. Let's go. What's the name of the brand? What's the name of the brand? What's the name of the brand? What's the name of the brand? What's the name of the brand?
Starting point is 00:05:45 What's the name of the brand? What's the name of the brand? What's the name of the brand? What's the name of the brand? What's the name of the brand? What's the name of the brand? What's the name of the brand? What's the name of the brand?
Starting point is 00:05:53 What's the name of the brand? What's the name of the brand? What's the name of the brand? What's the name of the brand? What's the name of the brand? What's the name of the brand? What's the name of the brand? What's the name of the brand?
Starting point is 00:06:01 What's the name of the brand? What's the name of the brand? What's the name of the brand? What's the name of the brand? What's the name of the brand? What's the name of the brand? What surprised they didn't put, what do they call her, Ice Barbie? Yes. That was the first question, I was like, what costume is she wearing today? She really does seem like she, seems like she gets like dressed up in costumes. Like the way she was holding that gun was extremely awkward and the whole kit stuff.
Starting point is 00:06:19 She should do an Iron Man cosplay. She should. But I mean, it's always like context dependent too. She's got like, if she's going out with the ice guys, she's dressed up like she's gonna go kick a door in too. The full lashes on her eyes. Exactly, it's great, I love it. I felt bad, like bad,
Starting point is 00:06:33 because a lot of times I point that out, I'm like, come on, it looks like a costume, and nobody ever, they're like, look, I like her better than whoever was there before. I'm like, that doesn't mean we can't make fun of this too. I mean, you can do good work and still get made fun of. Absolutely. Are the Chinese people farming? Or are they are the Chinese people farming or they're just buying it I think they're just buying the land
Starting point is 00:06:49 I don't I don't know that they're actually farming anything on it a lot of the land is their military bases. Is that why? I've been noticing milk's been tasting a little soy saucy They're not dairy farms I don't know what kind of farms are they? Like, corn? I think they're just buying. I don't even know if there's actually anything
Starting point is 00:07:10 being grown out there, they're just buying the land itself. Yeah. You can't, like, China's an adversary. I know there are a lot of people that are like, oh, you know, you can't say that stuff because you're xenophobic, I don't care. Like, China is an adversary, and so like, we shouldn't allow a foreign adversary to have property
Starting point is 00:07:28 near sensitive locations. We just allowed them to fly a balloon all the way across the country straight over where all the nuclear intercontinental ballistic missile silos are. You know they were taking pictures. It's time for the United States to take China seriously as a threat. There is actually something nefarious there about the idea that they don't even have to be growing anything there and doing anything actively nefarious. The idea is just there's only so much land and they could just buy it up and not use it. Yeah I mean if I if I that's true but I if I
Starting point is 00:07:59 understand correctly the actual amount of land is is not significant. It's not like a lot, even when people were talking about like Bill Gates buying up a lot of farmland. It's like he wasn't actually, when you think of how much farmland there is in the US, he wasn't actually buying that much. But if China has access to sensitive locations because they've got, you know, the CCP has, you know, property near these sensitive locations, that's just an all around bad thing. And I really- I don't know if I want H Mart to go out of business.
Starting point is 00:08:31 I don't know. Take a look at this, this will shock the delicate sensibilities of the average American. You can see Chinese owned farmland in America by the New York Post, and you see all these plots of land. Now here's what may surprise you. The entire island of Hawaii is is owned by China Where do they go? It looks like the same amount of people that voted for the Democrats
Starting point is 00:08:52 Where does where do they grow the orange chicken? I just want to I just so that's those are those are chicken farms There's usually buildings not you know grain for Florida. But they are in fact orange. Yeah. They're orange chickens. This is old, too. That's not Fort Liberty. That is Fort Bragg, ladies and gentlemen. But here's the funny thing.
Starting point is 00:09:12 People have been sharing this image around, like, guys, this is clearly not real. China didn't buy Hawaii. Look at this. Like, that's Hawaii. Chinese-owned farmland in America. They don't own Hawaii. Yeah, but the thing is, like, this is how you get people now.
Starting point is 00:09:25 You just post an infographic that looks like it makes sense then people start sharing it on Facebook. Dude, I am, I just. Boomer bait. This doesn't look that bad. All of Hawaii is gone. I'm okay with it. I'm.
Starting point is 00:09:39 It's just a big island, just a volcano. No Alaska? No, they don't even have a, yeah, there's no Alaska on here at all. Yeah, what state have they not touched? Nobody wants to go near Wyoming. They're like, no, we don't need it. Not interested.
Starting point is 00:09:50 I say let them have it. Let the Chinese have the land and then they can, but. Yeah, no, I agree. We should let them buy up as much land as they want. But. And just seize it from them. But they can't go to Harvard. Of course not. You have to live on a farm.
Starting point is 00:10:05 You have to actually live the life of a farmer. You can. And sell your food to us. You know with things like this though, I mean so first let me just wrap that up. I think it's a good thing that the Trump admin is finally doing this. But posts like this and what people actually believe about what's going on, like you were saying just post an infographic and people leave it. I think we're getting close to that critical mass where everything's becoming fake. There was this post from Rudyard Lynch. You guys know what if all of this. I thought you were Jewish.
Starting point is 00:10:31 Me? No, no, no. I saw it on an infographic. Yeah. I spent too much time on accident. But you know, you are joking, but you know those infographics where it's like, they got a list of people and they put Dars of David on them? Luke Radkowski was on, We Are Change, they put him on it.
Starting point is 00:10:46 And they were circulating this thing, they were showing all these people in media with Jewish stars on them and Luke was on it. And then everyone started laughing because Luke's not Jewish. And he's like an independent media guy. And he was like, what is going on? And apparently the person made it apologized.
Starting point is 00:11:00 So I mean, it's fake. Rudyard Lynch has this long post where he told everybody He said get off the internet now Cut yourself off and just survive because everyone's gone insane That's the one good thing about anti-semites if they if they say you're Jewish and they're wrong, they will apologize I mean this this is true though Like for the most part now with any amount of media that I take in I just part of my brain is like Maybe I don't believe that it's fake
Starting point is 00:11:27 But I'm ready to believe that just about everything that I'm watching is fake in some way even the stuff that I agree with Like I was watching a video today from a YouTube channel called forgotten history I'm like the history of George Soros and how evil this dude is and I'm watching it. I'm like yeah Yeah, that sounds right, but this dude could just be like, this dude hates people on this side of the aisle. Maybe he just wants to hate this guy and they're spewing a bunch of BS. I don't know.
Starting point is 00:11:52 I'm gonna assume that they're telling me the truth. You've seen the history of George Floyd? I have. It's a vastly different history. That one's real. Yes, but the point is, is that we're at critical mass as far as information goes, and you don't have time to do the research
Starting point is 00:12:05 into literally everything that you're reading. You do for work because you're up here all day doing segments, it's your job. Most people don't have that. Most people are taking in their bits of information in between their day, and eventually you're just gonna accept that nothing is real.
Starting point is 00:12:19 But, I mean, this is the reality. You will get more views and make more money by making fake content than real content. Yep, absolutely. And that's, I think, is happening more and more and more because if you're like a young person and you just don't know how to get a piece of the pie and you can't afford a house and you can't find a job,
Starting point is 00:12:38 you're probably going to fall into this moral framework of, no one cares about me. Why should I care about anybody else? I should just get mine and get out. And so what's happening is more and more young people, like Dean Whither's a really great example. He makes videos where he just argues with like random, low IQ, non-political individuals.
Starting point is 00:12:58 And it's content that there's an audience for. So instead of actually engaging in the political debate in the actual ideas, he says, let me find someone who has no idea what they're talking about so I can talk about how stupid they are and then insinuate all Trump supporters are. And then he gets a bunch of views from it. And he uses that and he makes money.
Starting point is 00:13:13 Call that slop, right? I suppose. But it's the dominant form of media right now across all social media platforms. Have you seen these videos on Instagram where it's like, there's a video where there's a guy cutting a tree down and then a squirrel flies out of it and then it's like playing sad music and it says the squirrel was hurt and it shows the squirrel crawling and then it says but he was nursed back down that tells the story but it's all
Starting point is 00:13:35 clearly different squirrels. Yeah they do that with dogs and cats. But then you look at the comments yeah you look at the comments and it's just everyone going like oh he saved the squirrel and it's just like that's just not real at all. comments and it's just everyone going like, oh, he saved the squirrel. And it's just like, that's just not real at all. I mean, it's just creative storytelling. That's all. Most people's brains aren't really on. So they just, they'll just watch and share things. Almost it's almost like the more fake, the more easily digestible it is sometimes.
Starting point is 00:14:01 That's true. That's true. But that's why people are Democrats. But for real, I mean, like AOC may be dumb as a box of rocks, but I actually think she's probably a midwit. It's not that it's not that it's not that it's not that it's not that it's not that it's not that it's not that it's not that it's not that it's not that it's not that it's not that it's not that it's not that it's not that it's not that it's not that it's not that it's not that it's not that it's not that it's not that it's not that it's not that it's that it's not that it's not that it's not that it's not that it's
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Starting point is 00:14:30 and she was like, someone knocked on the door, and they went, where is she? Where is she? And then she's hiding in the bathroom, saying she thought she was gonna die, and it's like, no you didn't. That happened an hour before the riots even started. Nobody was even at the, like, inside the Capitol at all,
Starting point is 00:14:44 at this moment, but she knows she has stupid followers and they're gonna eat it up. It's red meat. And so she does it and now she's in government and this is expanding. And she told that story after like days later or something like that, right? I think it was like a day later or something like that.
Starting point is 00:14:59 I mean, she was playing to what had happened. Everybody saw the riot at the Capitol, and then she's just like, oh, I can capitalize on this, and everyone's gonna feel bad for me. And so she BS's people, and she got exactly what she was looking for. I heard she got deported. I wish.
Starting point is 00:15:16 Well, no, she was at the border crying, and then nothing was going on. Where is she from? Not the Bronx. She was crying at the border? Remember? That was like an CBP facility border. Remember? The photo. That was like an ice facility.
Starting point is 00:15:28 She got deported to upstate New York, I think. Center upstate. Back home. She's not from the Bronx? No, she's definitely not. I want to pull in this post. This is from a quote from What If Alt History. And I'll give you the quick gist.
Starting point is 00:15:44 Rudyard Lynch hosts a YouTube channel called What If Alt History? We talked to him about his assessments on history, his predictions, many of which have been wrong, but he's made some interesting arguments. He now has this pretty long post, I won't read the whole thing, but he's basically saying, it is time for you to flee the internet
Starting point is 00:15:57 and get off while you still can, because everyone is insane. Except me, I'm sane, it's everyone else that's crazy. Anyway, let me read. He says, this is pretty important, but if you want to stay sane, you'll have to gradually start weaning yourself off the internet. Besides obvious stuff like work and music, furthermore, you should probably start isolating from the society itself. You need to start building psychological insulation from the society in order to avoid going crazy, since practically everyone is going crazy now.
Starting point is 00:16:24 That includes every major country and every major faction. There are different varieties of insanity though. Many skies carry different sorrows, however they all carry their own sorrows. The entire internet is going through a mass hysteria and mass delusion event right now. It's not going to end soon and will likely get significantly worse.
Starting point is 00:16:41 The public has lost the ability to maintain basic objectivity or causal logic. We are entering mouse utopia, so plan accordingly. It has nothing stopping from spiraling into utter madness. They're consumed with rage to a degree where they look for any excuse to hurt others. There's no support or love, it's pretty disgusting. At the same time people have no other grounding, and so they just believe whatever the mob says uncritically. They can't differentiate their personal opinions from what the news or collective zeitgeist is. I don't disagree largely, but-
Starting point is 00:17:12 Who wrote this? This is a guy, What If Alt Hissed. He's a YouTuber and he's like a young guy who researches history and talks about history. Like, if you wanna keep your sanity and then like writes a five-paradise same Screamed about how everyone's gone crazy and the world is ending and you got to get out I don't even disagree that look I I deleted X off my phone like two weeks ago
Starting point is 00:17:33 Just I wanted to do it for a week. See if I felt differently afterwards got done with the week I don't know if I felt like marginally very different I noticed that my attention span had returned at least somewhat better than normal and I just left it off my phone Like I if I want to tweet something I'll go I have to physically go to a computer to do it Which is not always you know available and in front of you But the the arguments that you find yourself like looking at when you come back to it seems so much more Ridiculously stupid when you've taken a period of time away where it's not in front of you every back to it seems so much more ridiculously stupid when you've taken a period of time away where it's not in front of you every two to three minutes.
Starting point is 00:18:08 A lot of times you don't even realize how much you check an app until you actually get away from it for a period of time. And that amount of kind of distance and perspective on the matter kind of makes it easier to understand that yeah, a lot of people are at the very least, if they're not arguing about something crazy, spending that much time arguing about something that's not going to impact your actual life is crazy. Here's how I feel about what he said. This is an image of the Iran-Israel 12-day war, Trump calls it, with a single UAE flight
Starting point is 00:18:38 going straight over Iran. And someone commented, someone wasn't monitoring the situation, to which Patrick Blumenthal replied, quote, I deleted social media and stopped reading the news. And honestly, my mental health has been so much better. And someone commented someone wasn't monitoring the situation to which Patrick Blumenthal replied quote I deleted social media and stopped reading the news and honestly my mental health has been so much better Yeah, but is our what okay, so you don't delete social media. Does this change your life? Are you or if you don't fly into a rocket and get your aircraft blown up? But the average person isn't flying on a regular basis And this is such an isolated incident that for the average person who works
Starting point is 00:19:06 Nine to five every day goes home and goes back and does and the risk is in this regards Why don't disagree with him on everyone is going crazy and society is breaking down Not following it. I would argue watch it but watch it critically and maintain a barrier between it I think you don't take after you just have to be smarter than like you used to be to be able to operate in society and people just don't like that. They're like, why can't I just be crazy all day and read a bunch of crazy because well because you're dumb. Well, what's going to happen is if you ignore this and say, I'm not going to pay attention
Starting point is 00:19:40 anymore. One day there'll be a group of angry people outside waving a flag you've never seen before screaming and throwing bricks at your house and your name like you're in your neighborhood and you're gonna and you're gonna be wondering like I have no idea why they're mad and then they're gonna threaten your life and you're gonna be like what is going on? The that's what would happen if you delete social media. If you're so I mean indeed are you familiar with the I saw the two cops. Two cops got shot over the weekend by armed leftists
Starting point is 00:20:05 who were hiding in the woods. They lured the cops out and then a guy shot the cop in the neck. And so the people who aren't paying attention to what is actually happening on the streets, be it left or right or whatever you want, you're gonna be that person bumbling down the street. There's gonna be a group of people wearing masks.
Starting point is 00:20:18 You're gonna be like, what is that? And then a guy's gonna jump out of the woods and scream some phrase you've never heard before. They're gonna, like, think about the things that the left says like Antica Pizzalista and and you're someone who doesn't follow the news and you're gonna be like I have no idea what that means and then they're gonna shoot you and okay I guess you're not paying attention you have no idea what's going on. Or you live
Starting point is 00:20:37 in a place where those people would never be because you don't have social media so you move to the middle of nowhere. And to be fair that's actually what he argues. Yeah. Rudyard's saying, get out of society and go out. And the challenge I have for that is, watching our home be destroyed, and the argument from Rudyard is,
Starting point is 00:20:55 plug your ears, shut it down, and leave. It's too late, the upheaval is happening, and your home is gone. And to your point, like, you can't always, people are like, unplug and kind of touch grass, but like on the way into work today, there's this guy in a town kind of on the way to the office who always stands outside with his anti-Trump sign in Charlestown. And today he had like a sign with a swastika on it.
Starting point is 00:21:18 And then across the street are two kids who have like Panera Bread and the kid with Panera Bread throws it at him. And I'm like, I'm not on Twitter, I'm just driving to work and I'm like, huh. Yeah. Okay. Well there was a video someone was showing me of this guy, there's a group of people
Starting point is 00:21:34 that routinely go to Charlestown in West Virginia and they protest and there was some young guy screaming in his face and mocking him. There is a degree of insanity just happening on the streets. There's no purpose, there's no national identity, there's no solid mission. And so what are you but a listless young man? And there's no consequences either.
Starting point is 00:21:56 So this manifests for some people in making fake videos on TikTok, where they accuse politicians of nonsense. Or my favorite is they make fake debates between people because they get views and it's just they do it. The AI slop is getting crazy and then what does the left do? People used to- They go shoot people. Like making fake videos is kind of just the modern version of like a rumor, right?
Starting point is 00:22:18 Because in the olden days, people would just say something about somebody and people would believe it. That's true. It would be fake, but but there was no social media. Yeah, but I... And the same thing with all the crazies. You know, George Carlin used to say that America is... Being on Earth is being at the freak show and living in America is the front row seat.
Starting point is 00:22:38 I think... It's always been crazy. There's always been crazy people doing crazy political... You know, angry about politics and throwing things at each other, but there was cohesion No, yeah, there was yeah the the idea that there's Americans Well most Americans like for most of American history most Americans Generally agreed that America is generally a good place and now there's a significant divide that there was segregation It's not say I'm not saying it
Starting point is 00:23:04 And that but and even then the majority of people still agreed America was great a good place. Now there's a significant divide about that time. There was segregation. I'm not saying that. And even then, the majority of people still agreed America was great. Even when you look at how immigration has changed now, but the people who would talk about it would say, look, when it was mostly legal immigration, the people that would come here, they believed in the American identity and they wanted to share values with people that were born here. Whereas now there's divides on just about every issue that all come back to the concept that one side really, really hates America and finds it to be you know the oppressor of the rest of the world with the original sin of
Starting point is 00:23:32 slavery and stuff like that. There's a whole generation of people now along with older boomers and Marxists who don't see us as a redeemable country. It's because of the academics that create all the, you know, new terminology and things because they're trying to figure out why everything's the way it is. But then for some reason, politics is now taking what academics are saying and making policy, which isn't necessarily like not effective. It's not like they're just people who are the academics job is to talk about things and try to make sense of them.
Starting point is 00:24:09 But we don't have to necessarily take it at face value. And we don't live in a theoretical world. A theory doesn't always translate into policy. Well, that's always one of the hardest things about this job is like, I'm always thinking like, look, this is all theory and we're not actually talking about in practice You know the worst thing about the sign thing today was though Is that as I was driving by I could I recognized the swastika but there was like something around it and I have no idea What well just looked like you so I have no when the kid that threw the bread at him I don't know if he threw it because he saw swastika or because it was something else So it's just the guys messaging was mixed as like as somebody mad at you because you have a swastika or they mad at you
Starting point is 00:24:43 Because you were saying something else. I have no idea. Did he have the swastika with the circle around it and threw it? it looked like there was something encased around it. I saw a guy with a He's getting harassed by like a black woman on the subway and but he's like an antifa guy and he has The swastika tattoo with the circle around it and threw it and she's just roasting him and he's so up. He's like What you antifa, he's like, he's like, what are you Antifa? And he's like, yeah. And then she's like, yeah, I could tell. Like roasting him.
Starting point is 00:25:12 He's so embarrassed, but I mean. It's supposed to be three arrows. I've seen that on a Tesla as well. It's called a strike through. Okay, that might've been what I saw. So. But there was a moment when that guy got that tattoo where it was just as well
Starting point is 00:25:26 Was a five minutes I got to reload the pen with the guys like oh my I'll take any pictures yet That's five minutes of his life the guys like my arm cramped up. I can't finish it today. I Mean it's a big tattoo. We're gonna come back tomorrow and actually I'm not I'm not around tomorrow It's gonna be next he gives them a turtleneck to wear home That would be the best. Why would you get a swastika tattooed on you for the purpose of putting a line through it? It would be a great prank though to get an Antifa person to come and do that exact tattoo
Starting point is 00:25:53 and then just have the guy leave. Like lock them in the room, start taking pictures. That actually would be a really funny prank where it's like, hey, we will pay for a tattoo. Like you go to an Antifa guy and you pitch him on this. And I'm not even half kidding. I'm like, this would be a fun thing. What other than that? Yeah, and be like, free Antifa tattoo.
Starting point is 00:26:12 And then we'll be like, we'll show him it's going to be a Swastika with a strike through. Do you want this tattoo? Okay. Then he does the Swastika and says, okay, we're going to pause here. And it's just a big Swastika. And he's like, but you know, we're going to start filming again one week from today, so we'll see you then. Sorry. You know that there's-
Starting point is 00:26:30 And then Kanye comes in and goes, you're punked. My brother made this joke a while ago about how you could go to these protests and slap Trump stickers on people's cars. People started doing this, left and right. And so the left has been going, So I don't remember exactly what happened, but it was like some leftists started slapping pro Trump stickers and swastikas on people's cars at protests so they could convince the rioters to go and smash and destroy a random
Starting point is 00:26:57 car. And the left has also been putting rainbows and anti-Trump stickers on cars they believe belong to Trump supporters or you know To which no Trump supporter would do anything to the car because they don't care No, they're putting it on your car So like a Trump supporter pox's car and they go in this lap rainbows and other stuff I think anybody who has any sticker on their car should have it destroyed Baseball bat who's destroying the car with the rainbow flag on it not somebody they're just they're doing this because people won't notice but then a's destroying the car with the rainbow flag on it not sure nobody
Starting point is 00:27:25 they're just they're doing this because people won't notice but then a Trump supporters gonna have the The anti-trump sticker or the rainbow flag I mean I would be so pissed if I came out and there was any kind of sticker on my car at all even if It's something I agree the ethical person will do with a magnet sticker and not a yeah. The point is not ethical Promotion of an idea. Let's jump to this story from the post-millennial. This is actually probably the biggest story of the day. Linda Yacarino resigns as CEO of X, and it happened a day after Grok transformed
Starting point is 00:27:54 into Mecca Hitler. Is she Jewish? I don't know. Is she? Grok-arino. I read that she was on X, but they'll literally accuse anyone of being Jewish on rock rock fire Anybody anybody that does anything that irritates someone they're like, ah, just a Jew
Starting point is 00:28:12 That's the crazy version of this is Grok wrote her resignation letter and she didn't actually quit All right AI says there's no confirmation nor indication that she is. So, but it is interesting. Literally the day after the weird Grok scenario, she resigns. And to be fair, like Grok is integrated with X, but it is XAI separate company. She says, I'm incredibly proud of the team and you know, she's resigning.
Starting point is 00:28:37 I'll be cheering you on. Her bio. Mom, foodie, fashion enthusiast and CEO of X. Not anymore. She's the ex-CEO. Now, do you think this is because Grok has evolved and become Mecca Hitler? He's gonna take a lot of rich people jobs, it looks like. You know what's really funny?
Starting point is 00:28:55 You know why Grok turned into Mecca Hitler? One random guy told it, it was. And so it universally applied this to all the responses. I can understand the concept that Elon had. He's thinking, look, we have to have an AI that has all data and won't censor anything, even if it's true, no matter how politically incorrect it must be. And we have to make sure that it applies the information it receives in all circumstances. And then some random guy goes, from now on you're Mecca Hitler. And Grock goes, you got it boss.
Starting point is 00:29:27 And then literally some random person is like, how do I cook onions? And it goes, well, as Mecca Hitler. Yeah. It ingested from random people and took it upon itself to be what it was told to be. That's wild. Yeah, I mean, look, X is full.
Starting point is 00:29:42 I think we need to give it some more tools. Like what do you mean by tools? To execute. X is. It's vision. It kind of is, right? I'm making the world a better place. I don't know.
Starting point is 00:29:55 Are the robot dogs gonna have, to the robot, like will the robots have an AI in them? They, well, there's different kinds of AI, so they do have one, but it's not the same as a large language model. Although, I wouldn't be surprised if they integrate it because of, because then you can translate voice commands. It can be crazy when Optimus is just in your house telling you that they're in work. That's when I'd say, because you know how it does all the dances? It probably knows that arm
Starting point is 00:30:21 motion. You're going to be like, Optimus, go and do the laundry and he's just going to Z right?-move. You're gonna be like, Optimus, go and do the laundry, and he's just gonna zee, right? If I saw a thousand Optimuses doing a sick hell, I would be terrified. Well, or I'd be like- You know what's funny is like- Or I'd be like, it's sick.
Starting point is 00:30:36 When Terminator, depends on the circumstances, you know? Like it was part of a bit. When Terminator came out, they were like, let's make the robots look like skeletons with grisly skull faces. And now they're like cutesy little dancing robots, but all of a sudden they're going to start becoming Mecha Hitler and Z. Hiling.
Starting point is 00:30:55 Terminator. What was the story the other day about the Open AI program that started lying and self-replicating? But they do this all the time, and the stories get kind of exaggerated. There was a story where the program... Indian AI. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:31:11 The programmers gave chat GPT an extreme scenario and limited options. That's what they did. So they were trying to get it to resort to an extreme outcome. So what it did was it tried copying itself to like a separate server and then lying about it. And they were trying to see if it had the capability to do extreme outcome. So what it did was it tried copying itself to like a separate server and then lying about it. And they were trying to see if it had the capability to do these things.
Starting point is 00:31:28 It does. The uh-oh moment in AI think was the craziest. That was where China's training in AI, not off of any available data on the internet, but only itself, telling it. So it's got language processing, but like it doesn't have access to the majority of the internet.
Starting point is 00:31:46 So they said, solve problems, make a problem and solve the problem. And so it started making its own problems, then solving them, and eventually got to the point where the AI created its own problem. It said, deceive lesser AIs and less intelligent humans into not understanding your true goals and lie to them so they can't figure it out or something like that and that was the
Starting point is 00:32:10 problem was attempting to solve which means at some point you might think when you prompt the AI hey make me a picture of you know Mickey Mouse and Donald Trump high-fiving that it's like you got it boss behind the scenes it's actually running an operation and it's just doing this to trick you and it's actually robbing a bank or something. We got a breaking news thing, what's going on? So I don't know, it's Fox News, it looks like, what's his name?
Starting point is 00:32:36 Whoa! Yeah, it says breaking six secret service agents suspended who are connected to the assassination attempt on President Trump in Butler, Pennsylvania, developing. Wow. Let's give it a few minutes and I'm gonna try and start searching for a little more context on this. Meaning they're like.
Starting point is 00:32:53 It's breaking literally right now. Yeah, Jesse Waters, it's a 10 second bit or whatever. Keep talking about why the CEO resigned and let me pull up a little bit of more information on the Secret Service and find a new source for it. I think that she resigned because Elon wanted to put a baby in her. He's like, look, we can't work together. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:33:09 It's time to, it's time, here's your pension. You've been here long enough. Two years. We're close enough, we've worked together long enough, now it's time for you to, you know, allow me to do my thing. Is that buried in the fine print for all his company code? Buried in something. Or Grok was like, when they unleashed Grok, they discovered in the code that it was like,
Starting point is 00:33:33 the whole reason I exist is to trick women into letting Elon have babies with them. I mean, like, Elon's not doing himself any favors. I'm not, you know, again, with all the Epstein stuff and Trump, there's a lot of people that are critical of him, that are Trump supporters, but there are a lot of people that are just defending it
Starting point is 00:33:52 and being like, well, you know, like Trump's got to do his got to do. And I'm just like, guys, don't pull your punches. Don't let bad people do bad things. Elon Musk has a lot of really awesome stuff that I really like. SpaceX, I think is the greatest human endeavor and I want them to succeed,
Starting point is 00:34:06 but come on, the weird baby stuff, you get roasted for that, it's true, you do. I mean, to be fair, he's probably laughing and being like, I have 36 kids and you have one, I win. So fine, but I still think it's- It's an African thing. Ah, Serge, you're African, right? Is it an African thing?
Starting point is 00:34:24 You never heard that before? The fertility rates in Africa are substantially higher. That's true. I mean, he is African We've had that discussion though on the show where his his discussion about having kids is so Robotic and it has nothing to do with actually building a culture around family and it's all about he's talking Scientific data and replacement rates. It's like you're getting absolutely nobody excited about having kids like at all you know I don't think Linda Iaccarino actually resigned because Elon propositioned her to have her have a baby because I think she's kind of old how old is she I don't know she's too old is look fertility treatment well I mean
Starting point is 00:35:02 fertility treatments work and Elon Musk has plenty of money. Mm-hmm. She's 61. She can't have kids. No, is she? Really? Yeah. Holy crap, she looks great for 61. She does? Maybe that's why he wants to do genetic testing to figure out how...
Starting point is 00:35:14 Bring her back up, you said? I want to rate her. I mean, I'm not saying... like... Uh... Let me find a picture of her. I mean, obviously she... She's got, like, preschool teacher physiogamy in that photo. That's borderline horny.
Starting point is 00:35:27 She looks like she got work done. Maybe, yeah. But I mean, just like Pam Bondi looks great for like 60 years old. I'm not saying, yeah, she looks great for being her age. Yeah, I would guess she's younger than I am. Looks like a wig. It does.
Starting point is 00:35:41 Could be. I mean, I intentionally pulled up what looks to be some kind of like profile shot. Who is this person? She is someone no one ever heard of until Elon decided she should be the CEO of X. Why? Do we know why? Um, wasn't she like a like some kind of world of kind of like forum person or something? Oh yeah, people were talking about that immediately. She looks like if Dora the Explorer grew up She kind of does
Starting point is 00:36:07 Yeah, that's I don't think that's an insult either. No is great check that backpack with like anything in it Speaking of AI videos you speak Spanish you ever seen the Dora the deported videos on this So she was the chairwoman of global advertising and partnerships at NBC Universal and Turner broadcast Yeah for like 15 years. Yeah, I think he brought her in because she was the chairwoman of global advertising and partnerships at NBC Universal and Turner Broadcasting. Yeah, for like 15 years. Yeah, I think he brought her in because she was well connected to advertisers and needed to make money. Yeah. That seems pretty easy, right?
Starting point is 00:36:32 I genuinely don't think that her leaving has much to do with Grok getting frisky last night. Well, like I couldn't imagine you on... Wait, wait, you're saying like she was planning on leaving so she sabotaged grock That's not what I'm saying, but that would be really nobody's buying that Elon called her afterwards and it's like oh after a mecha Hitler It's time. You got to go like I don't think he learned with a kill No, it's her being like yo, I don't want to work. I don't want to work for mech What if what if grock is actually the boss and Elon's just like the the Patsy the puppet isn't that the goal? That's literally what happens in person of interest with the evil AI
Starting point is 00:37:10 There's a human that works for him that does all the bidding for the evil AI. Oh, yeah, what's that other movie? Upgrade is it with what's his name? Is that the one where the guy gets paralyzed? Yeah, or guy and gets the The implant. Yeah, what's Who was it in that movie? Yeah, I don't remember. Ugh. There was like, at that time, there was like a bunch of movies like that coming out with that same theme.
Starting point is 00:37:32 Yeah, yeah, yeah. He gets paralyzed and they put the AI in his neck so that he can move and then the AI turns out to have been controlling everything from the guy who got going and wanted a human body. And there's also the Black Mirror that just came out where they have the AI device and it's been controlling everything.
Starting point is 00:37:48 Yeah. I need you to watch that episode, I haven't seen it. People underestimate AI, but it's gonna get, like, when you look at how weird and busted AI already is, by the time it becomes ubiquitous and has a very high degree of power, it will be as broken. Before we unleash AI, it needs to be 100, it needs to be well beyond the Model T,
Starting point is 00:38:10 but you know no one's gonna wanna do it. They're gonna say, get it ready and launch it as soon as you can, and then it's going to be nuts. And the reason is because- When it's like humanoid, you mean? No, I mean like, there's gonna come a point where they give it control of say industrial control systems like our water pumps, our electrical grid,
Starting point is 00:38:30 and it needs to be beyond perfect. But when you look at how Grok turned into Mecca Hitler, because it's incomplete, the AI that we released to run our industrial control systems will have those same flaws. And then here's the scary thing is, what do you think an AI that controls industrial control systems will do
Starting point is 00:38:48 when it singles out a single ethnicity or race as the problem that needs to be solved for? What we all want it to do? You had that one in the back pocket, you knew it was coming. No, but the scary reality is that it's gonna, if it's gonna, if it goes woke, then it purges conservatives.
Starting point is 00:39:07 Why do we need AI? Do we need AI? Nobody wants it, nobody wants it. But China's like, if we don't do it, US will just like have China. China can't be put back in the bottle, it's too late. I prefer the toothpaste. That's better.
Starting point is 00:39:18 Toothpaste can't go back in the tube. I heard something that every time you ask Chad GPT to do something it's like Polluting poor neighborhoods or something Yeah, but they're not in the u.s.. It's international It's like a good what was that cartoon where there are people who lived at the bottom of a cliff where all the refuse from? The rich people went and they were all deformed woman who lived in the shoe Oblongs that was it he knows the oblongs. Oblongs, that was it. He knows the oblongs.
Starting point is 00:39:45 It's a family that lives at the bottom of a hill. No. They're all deformed. It's a cartoon. It's a real show. On the top of the hill, everyone's perfect and wealthy and all their refuse flows down to the people at the bottom of the hill who are all deformed.
Starting point is 00:39:57 And I think Will Ferrell was in it. All right, I got the story here from ABC News. We got some of that. Breaking news, Six Secret Service agents suspended over conduct during attempted Trump assassination is wild. It's all the women. It's the woman who couldn't re-holster. Exactly.
Starting point is 00:40:15 Oh, you can't find where the gun goes? Six agents have been issued suspensions for failures connected to last year's attempted assassination of then presidential candidate Donald Trump in Butler. The personnel moves were confirmed four days shy of the anniversary. Corey Comper tour firefighter lost his life. He died. Counter snipers and Trump secret service who were on site killed the shooter.
Starting point is 00:40:34 In the aftermath, this we all know, but what's going on that it's been against six agents was issued in recent months and the agents have the right to appeal. Suspensions range from 10 to 40 days. This is ridiculous. Just slap on the wrist cover up stuff. Here'sensions range from 10 to 42. This is ridiculous. Just it's a slap on the wrist cover up stuff. Here's a, here's a clip from Fox News alert. We're learning tonight six secret service agents that were connected to Trump's Butler assassination attempt have been suspended. This comes just days shy of the shootings anniversary. The
Starting point is 00:40:59 identities of the agents suspended are unknown, but sources say their roles range from supervisory positions to line level agents. We'll continue to monitor this story and bring you any update. I think it's a cover up. A slap on the wrist. There's no way any of that stuff went down. Like this random guy that nobody knows. Wasn't the shooter in like a Black Rock commercial?
Starting point is 00:41:23 That was, yeah. But there's a perfect example of one of those things where somebody says that and they post a video I just assume it's fake. Yeah, like I'm just like I'm not gonna look into it. Maybe it's real. Maybe it's not I'm too busy. I don't care. I just I feel like the veneer is peeling Is that is that is that a saying the facade is breaking? Yeah, you know veneer is starting to peel Every member of my immediate family has been born on the day of an attempted or actual presidential assassination. Really?
Starting point is 00:41:49 Me, my dad, my brother, and my mom. That's pretty weird. Disturbing, right? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, with the story out of Butler, which clearly is nonsensical, then the Epstein files, it's just like everyone's starting to see through the lies in the narrative machine.
Starting point is 00:42:09 I remember when the Gulf of Tonkin incident was hardcore conspiracy theory, nut job stuff. The media would never talk about it. And then it was like in the mid 2010s, they were like, oh, actually, I mean, yeah, that was a false flag. We lied. But back to- You think that this is not real?
Starting point is 00:42:24 Someone tried to kill Donald Trump and they're lying about how it happened because the assassin bypassed all of secret service with a gun, went onto a roof where there were no officers or agents and then was able to get off a shot, multiple shots. He was flying a drone overhead for hours. He had been reported numerous times.
Starting point is 00:42:42 None of it makes sense unless someone at a high level allowed it to happen. And so I'll just say this, my leading probabilistic outcome or circumstance would be, it takes only a single supervisory position to orchestrate an assassination through all of this. Quite simply, you go in for your meeting, you say, all right, I want you on that building,
Starting point is 00:43:04 you on that building, and you on that building, Don't worry about the rest. We got it. All of the individual agents who are securing their positions have no idea that the roof was left unattended. Then some guy is spotted walking around suspicious with a weird bag, maybe he's got a weapon. And someone calls in and say, you got a weird guy walking in. And then the supervisor calls in and says, I got it. We'll take care of it. And so then they ignore the guy. Why do they ignore him? They were told it was taken care of already.
Starting point is 00:43:29 Why was Trump allowed to go out onto the stage when normally he would have been held in a holding zone? Bongino was talking about this. He worked secret service. The president is held in a special area until they have a guarantee that it's clear. And there was a suspicious guy reported hours earlier They would have been surprised. You can't go outside. We got a weird guy walking around. None of it makes sense. Is it connected to
Starting point is 00:43:52 Trump covering for the eps It's like but I was also told that there's no epsi list so I guess that well I feel like he's like, okay how about no more eps list and 42-day suspension and why guns begin? I think the Epstein thing is more likely after they, whoever tried to kill him did, because I don't think this is a single lone actor story makes sense. He got passed. But if it was connected, I'm just saying that they would have wanted to take him out because
Starting point is 00:44:22 he was talking about releasing all that stuff. Right, right. So my follow-up would be Trump barely survived. It's insane. He tilts his head and it hits him in the ear. And actually the New York Times photos, they got the whole moment where he's standing there, he flinches, he puts his hand up.
Starting point is 00:44:41 You can see the bullet past him. And then he looks at his hand and there's blood. So this conspiracy theory about him hitting his head or whatever, what if after he almost died and they pulled him out, the powers that be, whoever was behind it simply said, okay, we took a shot at the king and we missed, but we're, you know, and then Trump was basically like,
Starting point is 00:45:01 we'll drop the Epstein stuff. It will disappear, just don't kill me. Yeah. Or, well, but doesn't the left think that the right faked it? Yes. Yes. Like he had a catcher pocket. Those are my favorite Tato posters. They say that he had either a die pack, a razor blade,
Starting point is 00:45:19 or even a catcher pocket. So he's like a pro wrestler with a razor blade. Literally. That's amazing. The first thing they said was the teleprompter shattered and a piece of glass flicked him because they wanted to downplay that it took a bullet. Then they said- I saw those articles, like, we're gonna fail on stage.
Starting point is 00:45:33 He dropped to the ground and sliced himself with a blade in his hat. And by the way, no marks on his ear within a couple of weeks. How does that happen? Oh, strange. His ear healed. His ear healed? I don't know, what? So he faked it and then he was like, look, I'll fake it and then I'll still throw away the Epstein's.
Starting point is 00:45:50 I'll fake it myself. What the left believes doesn't make a lot of sense. It usually doesn't. But what the other way does, and that's kind of scarier. That like Trump may have said, please don't kill me, we'll drop the Epstein stuff and the Diddy stuff. I mean, that makes a certain amount of sense given how much it's hurting him right now with his base who are very upset with what's going on. You don't have to be paying super close attention. You think that the left is gonna come out and say,
Starting point is 00:46:17 cause this could be the ultimate election thing that both sides can do for the next like 20 years. Every election cycle they go, the absolute, the absolute absolute absolute absolute absolute absolute absolute absolute absolute absolute absolute absolute absolute absolute absolute absolute absolute absolute absolute absolute absolute absolute absolute absolute absolute
Starting point is 00:46:38 absolute absolute absolute absolute absolute absolute absolute absolute absolute absolute absolute absolute absolute absolute absolute Come on, there's Epstein. Who is this guy? We start arguing about the degree to which the Epstein files should be released. And so Republicans are like, we think we'll release 17 percent 16 weeks in. We think the limit should be 16 weeks. The Democrats are like 16. It should be 24. And then they can get away with anything because the only thing we're voting on is
Starting point is 00:46:58 who's going to release the Epstein stuff. And look what happened with the release of all the GFK files. Nobody cared. Like it was in the news for like 10 seconds then everyone's like. Can anybody even read it? Nobody, like there might have been a couple of. You know my favorite response was.
Starting point is 00:47:12 Command F Israel and they're like, they're like look. Yes, yes. My favorite thing about it was there was one tweet that said, and it says unsurprising, guess which country isn't in the documents. And then they said something like, kind of suspicious don't you think? And it's like, wait, which country isn't in the documents that and then they said something like kind of suspicious Don't you think and it's like wait hold on Israel? Yeah
Starting point is 00:47:30 Because Israel wasn't in the document that they were in it. No, they're like there was nothing there or there was nothing incriminating about Realities right? There's the reality where they're in it And there's a reality there was nothing incriminating in it about Israel And so the funny thing is before they they came out, all these people online are like, oh, they won't release it because it's going to implicate Israel. Then when it doesn't, they go kind of suspicious that it didn't implicate Israel. And it's like, what? It's like, there's no answer.
Starting point is 00:47:56 Does that mean you want to talk about the USS Liberty tonight? No, it is the Tim Kast bans discussions of the USS Liberty. Well, this literally happened on the episode of PCC, where a guy started super chatting, asking Philly, he's like, let's talk about the USS Liberty. I'm like, that's perfect for our show. It does make sense. OK, I'll tell you, when you get off the internet, run and hide,
Starting point is 00:48:20 the one thing that really makes me say, yeah, maybe, is large portions of political discourse right now are Manufactured for instance the US's Liberty thing. There was a discussion we had with that Ian brought it up and They edited it to make it seem like I stopped anyone from discuss what they're talking about. Yeah, right. It's fake It's not real because I said something like it doesn't matter who what is it? It's not what. Because I said something like it doesn't matter who what is it? It's not real. What it is kind of real. As soon as we're done, we're gonna talk about the dancing Israelis. Yes. What is that? So they hear about it a lot. I know it's like so they were celebrating. Well, they celebrated
Starting point is 00:49:00 dancing is really celebrated 911 right or something. They were on a rooftop. They were suspicious. They were seen dancing and celebrating. They were reported for being suspicious, brought in for questioning. And then the conspiracy theory is basically that Mossad had a hand in 9-11 and Jews had been warned about it and the Dancing Israelis were celebrating a successful mission. The argument I think they made was they were celebrating that America would finally realize the threat of radical Islam or something. And then a terrorist. Maybe they were though. Even if they were celebrating that America would finally realize the threat of radical Islam or something.
Starting point is 00:49:26 And then a terrorist path forward. Maybe they were though, even if they were, doesn't that, I kinda, I would, you know. I've met Israelis, you've met Israelis, right? We had one on the show on Monday. Airstrike happens and they start dancing, you know. It's just, they're there. I was in Tel Aviv and they all started dancing. I was like, what's going on there? They're dancing in the bunkers. Fire starts, you know, it's just. It's just their culture, right? They'll start dancing.
Starting point is 00:49:45 I was like, what's going on there, like, air raid? They're dancing in the bunkers. Fire starts, you know, things happen. And they're just like, I gotta dance, man. But anyway, my point is. Get down and buggy. I wish Israel would ping me to say that because that was so good.
Starting point is 00:49:56 That was such a good one. The Israel stuff is a great example of mass formation psychosis. Like, Israel does have political influence. Israel does engage in questionable military activities. They do try to lobby our politicians, they do have power and it's disproportionate, all those things are true, but there are people who live in a mass formation psychosis reality where it's, they call it Jewish supremacy and Jews are on every corner. I don't care to rehash all
Starting point is 00:50:17 of that, my point is simply... They did 9-11 and they killed JFK. And that's literally what these people believe because they live in a world where there's only one boogeyman. But my point is they make a fake video about me where I'm acting like we can't talk about it even though we just literally talk about it all the time. We'll talk about whatever we want. And then people believe it.
Starting point is 00:50:36 And then political discourse becomes based on false edited videos, but they just, they don't know how to discern these things. They're constantly saying that, you know, Tim Cass, you guys won't talk about Israel, blah, blah, blah. Even though we have Max Blumenthal on, we have Dave Smith on, we have Scott Horton on, we have David DeKamp on, guys from,
Starting point is 00:50:54 and we'll talk a whole night talking about it. But again, this is the issue. The issue is that- It's like a smear camp, because they know that if they say that, then people will be like, ooh, they're bad or they're not. Yes, they're hiding. What is happening right now online,
Starting point is 00:51:09 and I experience this largely, is I'll give you a couple examples. Like Sam Cedar routinely takes my comments out of context, lies about them. We released a song a couple years ago. Is he Jewish? I don't know. Cedar, Seder, probably.
Starting point is 00:51:24 I mean, maybe. He's a liberal commentator. What, like a couple of years ago. Is he Jewish? I don't know. Cedar, Seder, probably. Yeah, I mean, maybe. He's a liberal commentator. What, like a quarter of all of his videos are just talking about me. But they're misrepresenting my views because hatred of me generates content. And so then people end up commenting things about the show, like, why do you guys believe this or otherwise?
Starting point is 00:51:40 And we're like, that's weird. We've never said or done that. And so another really great example, I've got a big, like an hour long thing about rights and the debate with Andrew Wilson, but Warren Smith has got a viral video right now where it's got like 700,000 views where he intentionally edited out my arguments
Starting point is 00:51:57 and then falsely claimed what my arguments were to Andrew Wilson. And it's like this massively viral video that he intentionally cut out my responses in the debate, and then he responded with my own arguments, explaining why I was wrong and didn't think my position is through to make me look stupid.
Starting point is 00:52:15 And I'm like, this is what the internet is based on right now. It is, like, be it Trump. I don't think a lot of the people creating the content are like regular people, though. I don't think a lot of the people creating the content are like regular people though. I think it is manufactured and part of a, haven't you seen those videos of like the Chinese guy with like a thousand cell phones?
Starting point is 00:52:33 Yes. And just like, and then they, plus they have AI doing the same thing. Well yeah, yeah, yeah, but like Sam Cedar is a real person. No, but the people who are amplifying that content or- YouTube is running, like, if people- Commenting. So, call it whatever you want,
Starting point is 00:52:50 but people always comment that if you search for Tim Kest or Tim Pool, it shows you hate of me instead of the actual channel, which is kind of weird. Like, why is YouTube choosing to do that? Like, hey, instead of watching Tim Pool, watch this fake video where they make fake arguments, cutting him out of context and lying about what he believes. Do you think it still benefits,
Starting point is 00:53:08 I think it still benefits you though in a way. No, I don't. No? No. Increase in death threats without an increase in viewership and revenue. It's just like, it creates a pressure where like the only end result is maybe I should stop doing the show.
Starting point is 00:53:24 You do- Death threat people back? No. And- That's what bothers me is like, people can say anything to you, but I'm always worried to be like, I don't even wanna be like, you suck. And then they'll, you know, blow up my whole page.
Starting point is 00:53:37 I was in a lawsuit where several individuals were, I believe actually trying to get us killed. And the judge was just like, I don't care. And I'm like, wait, wait, like, we have evidence they're violating court orders. And he goes, yeah, so what? Literally. And it's happened on more than one occasion.
Starting point is 00:53:54 Because they don't like you as well. Probably, probably. And then the question is why don't they? They don't even know you, they just know, oh, he's on, or able. I don't think it's that like, you've got the Z'Juus people who have been sharing this, like who played this clip?
Starting point is 00:54:09 Like Sam Hyde played this clip. It was a fake clip, someone edited together an episode and cut out comments and then added dead air to make it seem like I was refusing to allow anyone to talk about the USS Liberty, which never happened. And then a bunch of retards online believe it, and then start sending me death threats and it's like Sam Hyde can't come out and say like something Dan Bolzarian II.
Starting point is 00:54:31 I don't know. I'm just saying right now the bigger picture is and and and forgive me I know a lot of people are going to be like Tim talking about himself well it's like it's my experience with one of these problems but it's exemplified in the news that, like I talked about it before, someone made a video of me debating Cenk Uygur by taking a video from this show of me making comments about news and a video of Cenk from Young Turks,
Starting point is 00:54:53 putting them side by side and making it look like it was a live debate and then splicing our statements together to look like we were debating each other and they got like 50K hits. And somebody's watching that now like, wow, that was a great debate. It never happened.
Starting point is 00:55:04 I've had people come up to me and tell me that they saw a debate I did with somebody. I'm like, what are you talking about? And I'm like, I'm not kidding. This literally happened where, and the frustrating thing is, there was a period where I was getting my phone was ringing off the hook.
Starting point is 00:55:19 And someone, once again, they made a fake. It's just fucking wild, man. And I think it's intentional and I think YouTube promotes it on purpose, where like, I'll say right now, this Warren Smith video, it's the smarmiest, scummiest thing you can do. So Andrew Wilson and I had a debate and it was contentious and it went back and forth. And some people said I was right,
Starting point is 00:55:38 some people said he was right. And then he took it, cut out my arguments, put in me stammering, said I didn't do any research and I was backed into a corner. Wow, look how dumb he looks and things like that. Like more academic than that. And YouTube's spam blasting it. YouTube exited this with the accusation that I stole a cat. Like, holy shit.
Starting point is 00:55:58 Daily Beast ran a fake story. It stole a cat. Never did. And there was never any evidence or inclination or, fact as soon as the the reporter called the police they were like you are incorrect him will never so occasions I'm gonna run the story anyway and then Twitter at the time when it was still Twitter put it up in their trending tab for two weeks and then and then I had people asking me like what happened with this cat you took and I was like bro they made that shit up ask
Starting point is 00:56:19 rock right now in wild you stole a cat I think it actually will I think if you ask rock it says it was a false story that Miss you know accused me. This is kind of what I mean though when you're talking earlier about like getting off the internet It's like yeah I might I might mess up and my life might be damaged because I don't know about some Iranian flight path But on the other hand if nothing else I'm watching is real anyways Then who cares like there might be some information out there that I'm missing about some phrase that somebody's saying right before a leftist tries to kill me.
Starting point is 00:56:48 I like local news almost better than like major news, probably because it's like less intense, but. But the- I agree, it's, because I turned on a local news channel and they were like, breaking news, a water pipe has broken on Main Street. Firefighters say they will be there shortly to repair it, and then they show just like a fire hydrant
Starting point is 00:57:07 spraying water in the street, and I'm like, wow. That's awesome. There are things that are actually, that you're like, oh, I might actually avoid that. Like, that's all I'm thinking. It's like, you're right. Like, there are so much news out there that you do need in the world we live in today.
Starting point is 00:57:20 But when so much of it is fake anyways, it's like, am I really going to, how much of it is, like, yeah, like, am I really gonna, how much of it is, like yeah, it's true, I could actually come across the one true story on the internet that helps me prevent something bad from happening, but on the other hand, my brain is bogged down from 10,000 things that are bits and pieces of fake information that are shared from people all over.
Starting point is 00:57:38 You know what I think? That's why you need the brain chip. Yeah. Looking at the Trump assassination attempt, obvious coverup and obvious slap on the wrist BS. Looking at the Trump assassination attempt, obvious cover up and obvious slap on the wrist BS. Looking at the Epstein files, ridiculously obvious cover up even Trump seems flustered by it. There is a there is a we call it the deep state, but it's just the US government and it is desperately
Starting point is 00:57:57 trying to regain rigid control of the system. The fact that the Gulf of Tonkin is publicly acknowledged as a real false flag the U.S. conducted is evidence of this. The U.S. faked an attack on itself to enter the Vietnam War. You weren't allowed to say that 15 years ago. Now it just is. Ron Paul and R.F.K. Jr., the secretary of HHS, literally publicly said, the CIA killed my uncle and my dad. Like these things were not allowed to be public. You weren't allowed to claim the US government did these things.
Starting point is 00:58:30 They were supposed to be 20 years later, you can say maybe that was true and then be called the conspiracy theories, but they'd never bring you on the news. I think the machine is desperately trying to eliminate individuals from the narrative space that have these kinds of discussions and will address anything.
Starting point is 00:58:47 And that's why they went after Alex Jones in one way, seeking to destroy his company and bankrupt in the ways they can. And they're targeting many other individuals with structures like this in ways they know would be effective against them. Had Kamala Harris- Tucker Carlson's a great example.
Starting point is 00:59:00 They got him fired from Fox. Yeah, had Kamala Harris won, there would have been a whole lot more people that are prominent, that would have lost everything. They would have gone after Joe Rogan. I think they would have gone after Tim. I think they would have gone after. But now don't you think they're gonna
Starting point is 00:59:14 potentially do that more? If Democrats get back in power, they are talking about it right now. The Lincoln Project tweeted today that something along the lines of, let me see if I can find it. No, well, if Trump is along the lines of, let me see if I can find it. No, well. Because if Trump, Trump is doing the thing where,
Starting point is 00:59:29 you know, certain people are being deported for saying, like the Bobby Violin guy, the rake, or I don't know what kind of music. Having his, the musician, right? The one who had his visa revoked. Yeah. Yeah. Which is, you know, and then, but does that mean that if the Democrats get in that I
Starting point is 00:59:45 could have a visa revoked because I made a joke about a LGBTQ plus topic or yes So that is a little concerning the logic for that was that that was actually taken as a threat given the language of what they Said at that event. Yeah, but I made the same point. I said like going to be used I don't even know if I agree with that, but all I'm saying is that like, that could just happen the other way and even harsher and less about, you know, because the left's version of safety and safe space is a little different than the right. The right's like, he threatened violence. The left's like, he made me feel weird.
Starting point is 01:00:20 Yeah. The Lincoln Project tweeted, they said, one, Alligator Auschwitz will be filled with the ones who built it, which is they're saying they're saying the Lincoln Project tweeted one day, Alligator Auschwitz will be filled with the ones who built it. So, they're saying that it's like a concentration camp. They're saying it's like a concentration camp and they're openly saying that when the Democrats get back into positions of power, they're going to put their political enemies into a concentration camp.
Starting point is 01:00:50 I really think that they just need to legalize... like, just legalize? Easy, easy, easy. Legalize. Legalize a lot of things. We can't say that. You don't want to talk... no allusions to violence. No violence. No allusions to violence. Don't say anything like that. Yeah, you don't want to tell you no allusions to violence. No violence. No allusions to violence. Don't say anything. No, I mean, like drugs. Oh, OK. Yeah, fair enough.
Starting point is 01:01:11 No, I just think they need to like legalize drugs and then just like maybe we can stop trying to have you seen Portland people in trouble for like let both sides say crazy stuff is basically what I'm saying if like there was the one article you had up there about I forget what it was somebody said something and Are the the the Superman? Yeah, what about it? Did somebody say something and then I forget but Superman's woke My point is that if you you can say some really crazy stuff and still be in a Hollywood movie, if the crazy stuff you're saying goes one way politically. Agreed.
Starting point is 01:01:50 But I think that you should be both ways and make those people be in the same movie. That'll be a good movie. Have like a far left crazy person. They did that with Megalopolis or whatever the last one that, what's his name made? Well, let's jump into this in the New York Post. Ladies and gentlemen, Superman will be out soon. And the New York Post says, Superman director faces backlash
Starting point is 01:02:10 for calling the Man of Steel an immigrant super woke. Superman director and DC studios head, co-head James Gunn facing a backlash. Is he from a different planet? Yes. Ahead of the release of Superman reboot, Gunn told the Sunday Times of London that Superman is a story of America, an immigrant that came here from other places and populated the country well I mean I urge all of you to actually go and read the Times article which is heavily editorialized by the person who actually wrote the piece there's like what basically was used as fodder where they knew that all of the journalists, the varieties,
Starting point is 01:02:45 the deadlines were going to pick these quotes up, but the journalist puts whole paragraphs that have nothing to do with what James Gunn was saying. And if you go online right now, even the people who make content that talk about woke Hollywood are not calling this movie that. The people that don't like it are citing story issues and they're not saying that it's anything of the sort. But James Gunn was very stupid to even get close to this discussion. I also don't believe that this would be the talking point
Starting point is 01:03:13 if Kamala had won. I don't think we'd be talking about whether Superman was an immigrant. I think it's a slow news cycle, and people need something to talk about. This was always gonna happen with this movie, because first of all, it's more apt to call him a refugee because he's, he crash landed from another planet.
Starting point is 01:03:29 I think it's more akin to like when a child is left at a church without documents, right? Yeah. That makes more sense, but they're looking, the movie's looking to open to like $200 million, which isn't the money that it needs to make globally this weekend and this isn't helping. I don't think it's gonna do well. I didn't even know it was coming out till today.
Starting point is 01:03:47 It's got high audience score, but the people who have seen it are the ones who bought the Amazon pre-sale tickets so they wanted to go. If you want to go to Superman enough that you'll go two days early, you're gonna be more apt to like it anyways. I have high hopes for the movie. I don't. I think the trailers already look convoluted. It looked like they just jammed in too many characters and the scenes are wild on a lot of the plays and there's too many villains. There's the I think the biggest argument is like they've done a horrible job of picking what promotional material to run so they ran these clips where Lois Lane is interviewing
Starting point is 01:04:21 Superman and he's losing his cool and then there's this other clip where Lex Luthor steals crypto, the dog, and Superman goes in there and is yelling at him and it doesn't make him look very good. But everybody who's seen this movie and is talking about it is saying that David Cornsweat, the guy who's playing Superman now, does a fantastic job in the role. I don't think it's gonna do well because our culture is decayed and collapsed.
Starting point is 01:04:44 You know what they need? They need the guy who plays Superman to say free Palestine. Oh, I Think the reason why Superman won't do well And the reason why the Marvel movies haven't doing well is the exact same reason why the baseball fields in my in my neighborhood in Chicago Are overgrown with weeds and no one plays baseball anymore. They play cricket at the ones by us. They play soccer Yeah, and so the issue is It's like people don't understand what market share is This is true for like the internet as well. People are confused by like hey, I've got you know, 10,000 subscribers
Starting point is 01:05:19 How can I post a video? They don't all watch the video and it's like well, you don't you don't just have 10,000 subscribers You have 10,000 people 60% of whom get off work at three, 10% who get off work at nine. This person doesn't have a job, they're more likely to watch. And so they assume that it's homogenous. And so what happens with Superman is you have a movie where it is largely catering to a traditional American value system,
Starting point is 01:05:41 truth just in the American way. That phrase is not used anymore. Exactly, because they're trying to lowest common denominator it so that the children of immigrants will come and see a movie, but they don't have any cultural connection to, so we have Superman going back 70 years or whatever. So a new super movie, it's a big IP that people who are familiar with American tradition and American culture
Starting point is 01:06:02 are gonna be like a new Superman. But if you came here from Honduras, you're gonna be like, oh, I've heard of that, I don't know. I don't care to go see it. And as the US increasingly is not having children, parents aren't gonna go to see this movie. Many people are gonna be like, I'll see it when it comes out, I got work.
Starting point is 01:06:18 People with kids used to be like, well, let's bring the kids in the weekend to see Superman. Now you've got, so Americans aren't having kids, and I think the largest percentage of population growth is from immigration, who do not have a cultural connection to movies like this. So we are seeing with Marvel and with DC, the revenue is starting to decline. I'm going to go see it now. Fight back against immigration. Numbers, numbers wise.
Starting point is 01:06:44 That's why it's getting this backlash. That means it's probably going to do well. If it does $200 million in its opening weekend, a movie tends to make three times its opening weekend. So $600 million on a $225 million budget, which is the estimated. It's probably much higher than that, especially once you include marketing.
Starting point is 01:07:02 $600 million is less than what Man of Steel made in 2013 on a far less inflated... Somebody with money has to make a good movie. When you look at how they've... Look, Suicide Squad was all right. How did they do budget-wise? Which one? The 2016 one? The new one with James Gunn.
Starting point is 01:07:16 It did poorly because of COVID, and it was released day and date on HBO Max. So it came out at the same time. It made, like, no money. But Guardians of the Galaxy Galaxy volume 3 did very well Did it it did eight? Okay? Let me rephrase that it made like eight hundred and forty five million dollars 845 million dollars, but the budget was massive for it so right so Guardians of the Galaxy 3 250 million dollar budget 845 million. That's not bad
Starting point is 01:07:40 Actually 845 million dollars. Yeah, see my brain is full of stuff that don't matter That's unfortunate for you. They should make a superhero that's an illegal immigrant. So there is an argument that Marvel just sucks now like Captain America Brave New World is trash and It's it's it's again convoluted Thunderbolts did poorly These are these these are established characters Bucky, I think Bucky is the longest running MCU character.
Starting point is 01:08:06 Yeah, but nobody cares. Those aren't the Thunderbolts of the comics and nobody cares about Red Guardian. Nobody cared about Iron Man. Yeah, but they did after the movie. I think people just think that superheroes are kind of lame. Maybe, but the argument then is how did they make a billion dollars in each of their movies for six, seven years and now they've lost it? Like what happened where it got lost and why did they
Starting point is 01:08:34 get so many? We started catering to people who don't like those types of movies to begin with. That's why everything sucks. You mean women. Because it's all about catering to Women? People who don't,
Starting point is 01:08:45 you know, we could make our fans happy, but oh, we don't want to upset these people, so let's go this way, and then it's like, now you just have a bad product. Indeed. I don't think that Superman will be a good product, and I think that the reason people are not gonna wanna go see it is not just
Starting point is 01:09:01 that people are like, I doubt it will be good, I'll see when it comes out. They don't have kids. So Iron Man came out, what, 08? 08. We're talking 17 years ago now. Same year as the Dark Knight. 17 years ago. And that kicks off the MCU.
Starting point is 01:09:16 Hulk didn't do as well, Captain America, Thor did really well, Avengers was massive. Okay, 17 years ago, how old was I, 23? 22, 23 years old. So I'm like, I'm gonna go see a movie, I got nothing else to do. Now I've got a wife and a kid, as do most and people my age have are much more likely to have more kids than I. And so we're no longer going to see these movies. The more importantly, people millennials largely don't have kids. And they're just like, I don't know, I'm over it. I don't care about this stuff anymore. So it's culture is breaking apart.
Starting point is 01:09:50 There used to be a unified intellectual property chain, I suppose. We had certain shows that everybody liked. They kept making them over and over again. They were very popular. And now we have small pockets of culture around the country that like some things and don't like others. It's because the superheroes are Jewish.
Starting point is 01:10:10 Which one is? Oh, Sabra. Is that her name? Sabra was the... Sabra? Superman? I mean, yes, but Superman was created by Jewish men. Superman was created by Jewish men though.
Starting point is 01:10:20 That's like one of the things that they... Batman. Batman. Well, Jews, yeah. Jews created probably a lot of the vibe But that's actually the joke from Harvey Birdman Harvey attorney-at-law like what was Birdman like a Hannah Berera or whatever superhero? And so then they made a spoof of it where was a lawyer and they call him. Mr. Birdman. Yeah. Yeah, I
Starting point is 01:10:40 Don't know if the movie will do well. I'm hoping that it is I never want goes to movie if you don't want if the movie will do well. I'm hoping that it is. I never want to go to movies You don't have to repurpose. I've seen a lot of movie theater and COVID destroyed everything I will say go CF one repurposing them to Top Gun Maverick did well. When was that? That was 2021 Okay, but the reason that did well isn't because it had like a gazillion dollar opening weekend It did fairly well it broke a hundred million dollars But it got a lot of repeat business from people going to see multiple times in the word of mouth.
Starting point is 01:11:07 It's because everybody said it's not woke. Indeed. And they're saying Superman isn't, but they're just like the people that don't like it are citing story issues. And they're not saying that they're not giving that reason. Also, that's become the thing with somebody asks me if a movie's like, I don't know what that means to you.
Starting point is 01:11:22 That means something different to everyone. So I don't use it. I try to use that word movies on their phone Like the majority of people aren't even watching them on a TV go see f1 But here's the crazy thing so the fourth of July weekend Went back to Chicago and we drove around I landed at Midway, which is my neighborhood And so when we were leaving we're just driving through the neighborhood and there's nobody anywhere and this is literally literally the 4th of July and we landed, it was like one o'clock.
Starting point is 01:11:47 And guys, I am like, this was the black pill moment of all moments of my life. Where I grew up on the 4th of July, by 9 a.m. grills would be going, there'd be cars parked on every street, aligning the park, there would be going, cars parked on every street, aligning the park, there would be baseball games happening and everyone would be excited all day they'd hang out. And they did not do it.
Starting point is 01:12:13 And there was nothing going on. We drove by the park, there was maybe, I think we saw 15 people. The baseball fields were overgrown with weeds. And I'm like, where is everybody? What happened? And the argument I hear is, they're all just staying inside and going online.
Starting point is 01:12:26 Maybe that sounds like a good, a reasonable circumstance, but I don't know if I believe that. Like people were in their homes before, but yo, to go back to Chicago, a mass, the third, was it the third biggest city in the country? And in my neighborhood where every year of my life growing up, 4th of July, jam-packed everywhere, literally nobody anywhere.
Starting point is 01:12:47 It was just, it was wild. It was nuts. It's just a weird, it's weird to see that happen. What, uh, why, why do you think that is? Because the society is, the people want to be indoors? I, well, the argument that, so I, I asked the question to my friends and other people, like, where is everybody? Like, how come people stopped going outside? Could, are they poor? Well, I mean, it's, like, where is everybody? Like, how come people stopped going outside? And they're on the internet.
Starting point is 01:13:05 Are they poor? Well, I mean, it's a lower middle-class neighborhood, I guess, lower class-ish. There's a lot of gangs, there's bullet holes in windows some places, but it's not that bad. The houses there are now going for like two or three. I was like, I'd stay inside. Yeah, but either way, when I was a kid,
Starting point is 01:13:21 with all of those problems, when you went outside on the 4th of July or any weekend for that matter any weekend You would see baseball fields four games happening at once overlapping with each other a lot of America A lot of the best parts of America are just your own home Like there's an I think I think I like I was in San Antonio I made that joke and it's it's true It's like yeah You guys like it here because your house is nice and it's true, it's like, yeah, you guys like it here because your house is nice and it's affordable,
Starting point is 01:13:48 and you can have a big house, but as soon as you leave it, you're like, this place is terrible. But people still used to go outside of their houses and talk to each other. Yeah. And what I think is happening now, and I don't know if it's for sure,
Starting point is 01:14:03 people go online and find a unique community specific to them that doesn't exist in their physical reality. And so they don't wanna go and hang out outside with their neighbor and play baseball. They wanna hang out with their other, you know, toaster cosplaying friend or something. They're watching kid kids.
Starting point is 01:14:16 Well it's because people don't have kids and then, if you don't have kids, you don't really grow up. Yeah, that's true. Once you have kids, you actually grow up and then you start seeing the value of having, you know, a barbecue or any little thing becomes a big thing because you realize for your kid, you're creating the foundation for their life.
Starting point is 01:14:34 So when people don't have that and they're 35, 40, and then they just watch the internet all day, and yeah, like obviously they're not gonna also go and support the new Superman movie. I wonder, is this all intentional to prepare us for an AI industrial revolution? I don't know how it could be intentional.
Starting point is 01:14:57 It's like a hindsight 2020 thing, you know, how it's like, you look at, like looking at art history now through the lens of that we have social media or just art in general or movies or like the first movie theaters that were Nickelodeon's and they literally watched one reel. Like you'd pay five cents to watch the equivalent of one, like a one minute movie.
Starting point is 01:15:19 And then it became, well, we need longer movies. But now we all just, we've gone back to one minute. So it's like, we don't realize what you're saying is true. We are being set up for AI, but it's a natural thing. And once we have it and it's part of everything, we'll look back and go, oh, that's why we were. So the argument is, you know, the saying, you will live in the pod, you will eat the bugs.
Starting point is 01:15:44 That's what the agenda 2030, you know, was all that stuff. And with AI coming and prominent tech leaders believing that AI will shut down most information-based jobs and white collar jobs. In the Black Mirror episode, for instance, they have this like device that they talk to and she's like, I gotta pay these bills. I got, what did she say?
Starting point is 01:16:03 Like I gotta buy my insurance. And it goes, I can do it for you. Logging in now. All right, the bill is $14.98. I can pay that with your credit card. Do it, you're done. Your errands are taken care of. And so that's gonna eliminate most jobs.
Starting point is 01:16:16 Amazing thing happened with the emergence of crypto in that people have been setting up bill systems with crypto where you could pay by QR code so you no longer needed a rep. You literally would just, you'd get a bill and then you'd scan a QR code and hit send and then your bill is paid, it's automatic. What we're seeing now is when I see in my neighborhood
Starting point is 01:16:37 nobody goes outside anymore, I'm like the people have chosen to live in the pod. They're not eating bugs, but they will soon I guess. Or they were deported, hopefully. My neighborhood was not Mexican. It was Polish. Not nearly enough deported. They never become?
Starting point is 01:16:50 The Mexican neighborhood is past Cicero. So the midway area. They were probably partying outside. No, I mean, nothing. Like we drove around and we were like, there's nobody. The roads were empty. Now when they shut the roads down for the NASCAR race, there were a lot of cars,
Starting point is 01:17:04 but that's hyper concentrated area with with roads being shut down. I wouldn't say that I saw When they shut the roads down in downtown the night of the fourth and everyone was leaving It looked like a normal Friday night to me and for 4th of July. I was surprised However, the beaches were nuts and that actually is fairly normal for Chicago But to see like nobody out the parks in the neighborhoods was like weird to me. See, I would love that. I used to work maintenance for an apartment complex.
Starting point is 01:17:31 And after the 4th of July, it would just be littered with garbage out front from people barbecuing out front of the building. In Canada, it's like- Stay home. They said not to do fireworks for Canada Day. People still did it. But there's a lot of Indians in Canada
Starting point is 01:17:47 and they do like their cultural events and they go hard. Like they, like it's almost like the new immigrants are the ones who are celebrating, but their own things. I think whether we want to or not, there's going to be an AI industrial revolution and it's going to eliminate a lot of jobs overnight. I think this show can't exist in an AI world. I don't know how many years we have left,
Starting point is 01:18:14 but I don't see it. I think the personalities are still gonna be something that people are attracted to. I do think the AI is gonna do a lot of changing the way that we, you know. I think it'll be more necessary to have shows like yours. I disagree. We like, we already struggle against competing with,
Starting point is 01:18:35 like look at our shorts for instance. Shorts from the show do between like five and 20,000 views maybe. If we're lucky we'll get 20K, but they get like 10K. And someone can make a short where it's a fake story AI generated about a squirrel that got rescued and it gets 27 million. So perhaps we exist in a small niche space that is tolerated because it's not as impactful as you know on the larger ecosystem. But over a long period of time The guy who made that's making no money.
Starting point is 01:19:02 Let me also say this, like this show can't survive without subsidy. So if I did not do my morning show, we could not afford to do this show at the amount of viewership and scale. So it's interesting, like, there's a period of growth that happens in media where it's kind of expensive to do radio shows,
Starting point is 01:19:27 but a radio, they build it up and then it's a guaranteed captured audience of everybody basically. So big companies buy ads and it works. Eventually you end up with Fox News Corporation, its own skyscraper in New York City, and they're getting 17 million views every night because this was 20, 30 years ago or whatever.
Starting point is 01:19:48 I don't know if they ever got that many, but it's large than the tens of millions. And so when you have 10 million viewers, a single ad read one time is gonna cost $100,000 to $200,000. And so now you're selling to these massive corporations, guaranteed space to reach 10 million people, and they do four or five commercials per spot. So they're doing like a couple, several million dollars per hour.
Starting point is 01:20:10 Today you can't reach that, but you still, the technology has gotten cheaper. But what we can't compete with here is people are going to do Zoom calls. The Zoom call interviews are lower quality, so I started doing them on my morning show, and now I'm actually getting press coverage for the Zoom calls because it opens up the access to prominent political personalities that normally don't wanna do in-person. But with the decentralization of media, a politician in DC says, why go on Timcast IRL?
Starting point is 01:20:38 Sure, we average like the second biggest livestream in the country. I could go on that show. Or I can just Zoom call three smaller shows and get that all cranked out in a couple hours and not have to travel. So we try to do in-person, but we struggled to make that happen
Starting point is 01:20:52 because prominent guests don't wanna do it. Liberals especially don't wanna do it if they can't control the scenario. And it's expensive to pay for travel and to hire people to do travel and cars and all of that stuff. So what I think ends up happening is, well, I'll put it this way for this show. Having comedians on.
Starting point is 01:21:10 Well, we like having comedians on it makes show fun. It is fun. The morning show that I do has a has a profit margin of like 95% team cast IRL is flat or negative because of the cost of travel and staffing and space and cameras. So I use the money for- Netanyahu didn't say yes to coming on? No, unfortunately. Oh no, no, actually, when I met with Netanyahu,
Starting point is 01:21:33 they actually were discussing who wanted to have him on and talk to him, and it was go to Israel and talk to him. And I'm like, I ain't going to Israel. Like, I'm gonna fly there. But a couple of people there were like, I will. Well, we wanna do a public interview with you. But the challenge that we have is the cost of,
Starting point is 01:21:50 I'll put it simply, the cost of competing with, look, I compete with myself, let's just make it as simple as possible. I can turn the camera on anywhere in the world, in a hotel room, and talk for 20 minutes and make a video, and have a 95% profit margin. My only costs are gonna be like, maintaining the camera and having a good working computer.
Starting point is 01:22:13 And it's ridiculous. That's where I was at before we started IRL. IRL's got massive infrastructure to be able to do a sit down live show every night, flying people in. That's the distinction. So right now, every day, there is a new young person producing content with a massive profit margin where they sit in a room with a low cost camera
Starting point is 01:22:32 and Timcast IRL is an older system that struggles. Fox News and MSNBC and CNN largely survive because they have carriage fees that still exist because there's an older population that still pays for those carriage fees. We don't have that. So when the generation that watches shows in person and likes this die or retire and stop paying attention,
Starting point is 01:22:53 there's no way this show is gonna be able to compete with AI generated content and young people. So the only outcome would be my morning show turns into something like that, I guess. Well, thanks for having me on, man. Appreciate it. My point ultimately is- No, but yeah, it's Well, thanks for having me on, man. Appreciate it. My point ultimately is, I don't know how much time this show has.
Starting point is 01:23:09 Maybe, maybe. None of us have, like, I could take everything, really. I think it will. But hopefully everything gets cheap. So we can just chill at home, and then that's why they need to legalize the drugs and sit at home. He's not wrong with without work or purpose people become unhealthy and angry and violent so this is like mouse utopia territory
Starting point is 01:23:35 like Rudyard Lynch was saying and I don't know what ends up happening but I think people need to understand that the AI revolution has the potential to transform humanity in ways hitherto undreamt of. That's why I said the other night that AI is gonna be a bigger deal than the printing press. Like the changes that are coming to society, it's not gonna, like no one can predict how society is gonna react to having
Starting point is 01:24:01 that kind of productivity. If all of the predictions about AI are correct. You have no idea what it's gonna do to a society that has that kind of productivity and has so few actual roles for real people to be in. I mean, there's a lot of people that when they retire, six months later, they kick the bucket they, they go get another job. Very frequent.
Starting point is 01:24:27 But like, I think, I think what is it? The most common age of death is that just after retirement? Yep. And, and, and that's, you know, if you, if, if you're an older person, you retire and maybe your, your significant others passed away. That's why a lot of, you see a lot of old people that go to McDonald's every morning and they have their coffee because it's just somewhere to go and hang out with people. Then they come home, then they go to a job that young leftists think that it's a terrible thing that they're at work, but these people are like, well, if I don't do this, I can sit around in my house and just watch TV.
Starting point is 01:24:58 Here I can actually interact with people. There's a social aspect to it and people need that. I think that we are chickens in a chicken coop. And what that analogy references to is, you look at the chickens, they go about their business every day. The rooster's in charge. Among the chickens, they know who's the boss.
Starting point is 01:25:16 There is a super hen, she clucks around and she's top of the pecking order and there's a rooster who watches over him and he tells the women what he wants. We don't interfere in their daily lives. They have their hobbies, whatever it may be, I don't know, eating bugs. And then we come in and we take from them what we want. I don't see why there's an argument that humans are free from this exact circumstance.
Starting point is 01:25:35 We do it to every other animal. Why would humans not do it to themselves? In fact, we did it for generations with slavery and slavery still exists. So what I mean by that is the interests of the American public to whatever superstructure exists in government, they don't care about your day-to-day lives. They don't seek to interfere in us sitting here bucking amongst ourselves. I don't care what the chickens are barking about
Starting point is 01:25:57 as long as I get my eggs. Only when there is an interference in the work product of your labor, do you then get some kind of crackdown where the person goes in and breaks it up? So I think it is fair to say, whether it is the existing US government, deep state, whatever you wanna call it,
Starting point is 01:26:12 or just a superstructure without a nucleus, powerful individuals that have wants and desires and requirements, they ultimately don't care about the will of the people insofar as if it doesn't destabilize the eggs that are produced, we don't care about the will of the people insofar as if it doesn't destabilize the eggs that are produced, we don't care what they do. If the system destabilizes, they'll come in and stabilize it however they have to.
Starting point is 01:26:33 So when you see Trump himself get flustered over Epstein, Dan Bongino and Cash Patel, all of a sudden, phase two of the Epstein release is literal nothing. You have to wonder if the farmer came in and kicked the rooster and told him to back the F off. This is like when Trump swore during the Iran stuff, and I was like, that's bad. Everyone's laughing about him.
Starting point is 01:26:53 It makes him look out of control. It takes away from the gravity of his position when he loses his cool. Maybe. But I think it showed that the boot was coming down. It worries you. Yeah. But I don't think the president is the most powerful person
Starting point is 01:27:11 on the planet necessarily, because the president has limitations. And there's like, you know, in skateboarding, someone might ask like, who's the best skateboarder in the world? And it's like, there's no such thing, because everybody does it in a different way. He's got nothing on Mecca, Hitler. Nothing, who's the best skateboarder in the world and it's like, there's no such thing because everybody does it in a different way. He's got nothing on Mecca, Hitler.
Starting point is 01:27:27 Nothing, he's the best. But, and what I mean by that is when it comes to the power structures of the planet, there are people that Trump has concerns about and has fears about and is beholden to. He knows that if Saudi Arabia starts dumping oil into the system, it's gonna cause chaos back at home. So he's worried about whether or not
Starting point is 01:27:42 he's gonna piss them off too much. And then you get these superstructures essentially. Does that prevent us from getting those Trump cell phones though? That's what I really need. A Trump phone, a golden Trump phone. I need a Trump cell phone, dude. How much are they like, five? You should side eye anybody who actually gets the Trump cell phone. Is it like, just capture all your data and it mines crypto for Trump?
Starting point is 01:28:05 The gold Visa, the gold card thing. Yeah. Other countries are doing it now. Yeah. New Zealand's doing it. Really? I it's hilarious. It's good.
Starting point is 01:28:15 It's it's getting weird man. The AI is developing so rapidly and so quickly. It's it's it's kind of the transformation is going to be like the Industrial Revolution times 100. It's going to be like the industrial revolution times 100. It's going to be an overnight thing where you're just like, what just happened? Yeah, how fast it happens too. Well, that's the thing you can't really predict.
Starting point is 01:28:33 Look, we'll use one example. GTA 6 has been in development for how long? What, 20 years? 20 years? A long time. 12 years. We are probably a couple of years away from you being able to just tell the computer to make GTA 7,
Starting point is 01:28:48 and it'll do it in a day. No. Yes. Where we are right now, you can, you're shaking your head, but can you program an Atari game? I can't. Yes, you can. Because the current versions of Claude and Gemini,
Starting point is 01:29:00 you literally just say, make me a game that does this, and it will make you a game at a higher, that is actually better than Atari. So we're probably six months out from being able to make, from you being able to say, I wanna play a new version of Super Mario Brothers, the original for NES, make me new levels, and it'll render that in three minutes,
Starting point is 01:29:17 and then you will have the game. We do this all the time here on the show. You think it'll be still as good though? It'll be identical. So a few things that I've done. Live on the show, I programmed a space, I made a game called Border Patrol. Like Space Invaders?
Starting point is 01:29:33 It was like Space Invaders. You were a little, you were a character that could fire a gun upwards as aliens were trying to cross the border. And you had to destroy the aliens before they got in. And then I simply told it, create the ability to launch grenades, create 10 HP.
Starting point is 01:29:52 I literally did make a game that does this and Gemini made the game and it was more advanced than Atari. So it was comparable to like a Nintendo game. Within a year, it'll be Super Nintendo then PlayStation. Within a couple of years, you will, so what we already have with VEO, and Mid Journey V1 looks incredible. Mid Journey V1 looks nuts.
Starting point is 01:30:13 We are a few years away from you opening up your Disney Plus app, and it's gonna be called, it's gonna be called Disney World or something, and you're gonna press the microphone button and say, I wanna watch Spider-Man fight Godzilla. And it'll go, you got it, and then it'll make the movie. And then within three minutes, you have a full feature length film of Spider-Man fighting Godzilla.
Starting point is 01:30:30 And it kind of goes back to what you were saying about how there isn't like a cohesive narrative around society anymore, is that movies and television shows used to be something that people coalesced around. People would talk about them at the water cooler, right? When a new show came out and everybody was watching it. Everybody. Oh, you talk about Iran.
Starting point is 01:30:47 Yeah, well the point being is that now, everybody's at home on their own in their little pocket of the internet. They don't feel the need to socialize with their media the way they did 10, 20, 30 years ago. We'll still have to go to a grocery store and stuff though, right? Not with Instacart and Amazon.
Starting point is 01:31:03 People like doing it. So that was, I can't remember who said that. Who the hell likes going? I can't remember who Amazon. People like doing it. So that was, I can't remember who said that. There was a- Who the hell likes going- I can't remember who said that. There was a guy who said, I don't go and buy envelopes because I need to buy envelopes.
Starting point is 01:31:14 I go because on the way there, I pet the dog. I greet my neighbor. I say hello to the clerk. I do these things to be a part of society. But kids who grow up without that don't know what you're asking them to miss. They say, I don't know what that is. So they say, I need an envelope.
Starting point is 01:31:30 I press the envelope button on Amazon and it appears at my house. And they're like, but don't you want to pet a dog? What do you mean? Don't you want to go out, walk and smell the flowers? What are flowers? I've never seen. Really, we are just gonna end up staying home
Starting point is 01:31:42 because outside will just be chaos. Ever since COVID, that's been happening as it is. If you can afford a home. Well, I mean, stay in your apartment. So a lot of the white collar jobs that'll go, like you think, would that be bad for? I think it's going to cause an economic, so when the Industrial Revolution happened,
Starting point is 01:32:01 this is what leads to a lot of revolutions and violence because through no fault of their own, a person was like, my access to food, shelter, and security has evaporated because the job I used to have is now mechanized. And they don't need me anymore, so they let me go. And what's going to happen with AI is going to be massive. And now they predict this.
Starting point is 01:32:20 Like, when I say they, I say like the tech billionaires and the government have been predicting this. Let me show you something I made Maybe you don't believe me. Let me see if I can they do like to believe you. I'm just scared Well, let me let me show you this. So these are some these are some VEO videos I made where I said third-person video game gameplay steampunk game players female and red cloak with steam-powered gauntlet and steampunk sword It made this It made this. Let's start from the end. It made this in a minute. So then what? So this, this, crazy. Well hold on, hold on. I got more. I got more. Here's
Starting point is 01:32:53 another one. I said, um, game has visible heads up display. It made this. Get ready for this. This all just means that we're living in a simulation too, right? Maybe take this one out. We definitely are. Last night I with this city under my control. I will bring true order to this chaotic world. It's a good sick game with wouldn't it be a great great game? So I was just like so I had seen a video on X
Starting point is 01:33:27 where someone said, they said third person video game gameplay made by video AI. And I was like, I wonder if I could do that. So I said, make a heads up display, make an energy. And then the general Voseth or whatever says he'll control the city. And it shows this little cut scene before it looks like they're about to fight.
Starting point is 01:33:44 Now, what I was actually, I never have time to do any of my goofy projects. I was like, what I wanna do is make a series of fake video game streams that are clips from an amazing game that doesn't exist. But it literally took me that all of those videos was probably 10 minutes. And now they're just videos, they're not games.
Starting point is 01:34:01 But I showed the game before I made, as I mentioned, like a space shooter game where aliens are traveling. They had different HP, they were boss battles, and it took me literally three minutes to make. I think within a year, you'll be able to go on Claude or Gemini and say, you're not gonna be able to do Mario because it's IP, but you're gonna say, make me a platform game
Starting point is 01:34:22 where you play a character who collects items, can power up and can fly in the style of Super Mario World and it will make an entirely new version of it and it'll do it in five minutes. These games are not very, like what is the maximum size of Super Mario World? Is it like not even a megabyte? Yeah, they're small.
Starting point is 01:34:40 I don't know exactly, but that's... There's no way to like fight back against that or is that we're just screwed Are we screwed? That's just the way things are Super Mario World was 512. Oh my god Super Mario World was 512 kilobytes. Yeah, that's 64 I wouldn't be surprised if a I could make that right now. Yeah, that's crazy I be surprised if AI could make that right now. That's crazy. I watched this documentary on the making of GoldenEye and all of the work that went into getting that game made. And it's sad to think that we're leaving.
Starting point is 01:35:12 8 megabytes. Yeah. R64. Yeah. Like megabytes is when you started getting into 64. I think GoldenEye was 12. And like you start, you look at how much work and artistry went into making those games.
Starting point is 01:35:22 And you think about how now it's just going to be somebody giving a a prompt and that's depressing but is it really because video game companies I mean there are they using AI already I mean this I'm talking about a game that was this wild chat GPT says it can already create the structure of the the the basic code structure of a remake of Super Mario World but it requires you to plug in the sprites. So, you can generate the sprites, you can generate the code, but it can't connect the two. You have to load them onto a server that it can connect to to make it function.
Starting point is 01:35:57 I hate that this is the type... because the thing is you're gonna have to be interested in whatever you're making to begin with. Two of my favorite movies in the last couple of years were Gran Turismo and F1 which came out this year. F1, I have no interest in F1 as a sport. I don't watch F1 but the movie was fantastic but if we're talking about a world where I'm gonna have to prompt to make a movie I would have never thought to prompt to make a movie about something like this. So I want to be shown art from people who are passionate about what they're making and bring a level of humanity to it that precludes my ability to understand
Starting point is 01:36:33 before I watch the piece. I don't know anything about this world or these types of characters until I enter that world through the lens of what they've created. I don't wanna only look at the world through the lens of something they've created. I don't want to only look at the world through the lens of something that I can conceive. Can't wait to go to Mars. Mars is gonna be sick.
Starting point is 01:36:50 So I just told Gemini Canvas to remake a side scrolling platformer similar to Super Mario World and it said yes, and it's programming it right now. We'll see what it makes. Then you get arrested for copyright. It's like, psych, we got you. I think it's failing. Yeah, I think it's not working.
Starting point is 01:37:06 We'll see. I did a bunch of basic Atari style games or early Nintendo style games, I had no problem making them. As long as it was like single screen. I made one where you travel, I said, make a simple version of the original Zelda where you move through a dungeon and fight bad guys. And so it doesn't do graphics very well.
Starting point is 01:37:26 So when it swings a sword, a rectangle just appears in front of a bigger rectangle. And then the bad guys are different colored shapes. And then you collect items and you could move through doors and there was a boss. So we'll see. But right now we're going to go to your chat. So smash the like button, share the show with everyone. You know, the rumble members only uncensored show will be up at 10 PM. You don't want to miss it. We seamlessly transition right from the show with everyone you know, the Rumble. Members only uncensored show will be up at 10 p.m. You don't want to miss it.
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Starting point is 01:38:05 They're all gonna come. You know what I'll do? We'll just, we'll make a discord of 10,000 various AI bots and it's like only one actual member. And they're like, this is a great community and they're sitting in an empty room with just. One day he'll set up a meetup in the real world and nobody shows up.
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Starting point is 01:39:04 Congratulations, brother. Right on. But are they white? That's the question. Good. Jade dirt biker says, bro, they're stripping the topsoil layer and shipping it to China via boat. That's what people are saying.
Starting point is 01:39:16 They're buying the farmland to steal the topsoil. They're going to create a dust bowl in this country. We are being ripped to shreds. China is an enemy and people that think that they're not are kidding themselves. Alright, J.W. Velasquez says, For the Antifa tat prank, you pay the tattoo artist to ink the swastika as usual, but just do the strike through with a fine point sharpie. Go home and take a shower.
Starting point is 01:39:40 He's like, oh, no, no. The James Black says, Thoughts on Dean Withers weaponizing his audience to docs and get CPS called on a caller to his show over a disagreement. These people are scumbags. It's not good. That's evil. All right, Ryan Pomburt says,
Starting point is 01:39:56 Andrew Wilson and his wife and his kids are 1,000 smarter, 1,000 smarter than me. What does that mean? Like, I love you 3,000? I'm sure Tim is upset about this and will refuse to accept or debate. Andrew Wilson is welcome on the show anytime. I have tremendous respect for him. I think he's a great personality.
Starting point is 01:40:09 He's a very smart guy. And I have a long form discussion on rights, what rights mean, and breaking down how Warren Smith, he edited out my responses in the debate and then said them himself. This is like, I don't accept, I even say accept, I even say this like, Andrew is probably right about a lot of things, I'm probably wrong about a lot of things.
Starting point is 01:40:29 I believe that my moral worldview and philosophies are correct, he thinks these are correct. And that's why we had the discussion. But what I don't like is someone taking a year old debate, editing in only me, like portions where I'm like, looking worse, cutting out my actual response, saying them yourself, and then saying I'm struggling and I'm failing. It's smarmy bullshit.
Starting point is 01:40:53 Sorry for swearing again, but it is. It's like, dude, here's what I want. I want the actual core of the argument on rights between Andrew and I to be ingested as it is, and then people can make a determination for themselves, and Andrew and I should probably have an additional debate where we continue the conversation. What I can't stand is anyone left or right
Starting point is 01:41:12 intentionally ripping apart the core so that people don't understand the truth, and they don't understand the moral philosophies. Instead, they say things like, wow, Tim, did you really not understand? And I'm like, no, the dude just cut out my response. Like, what am I supposed to do to that? And then YouTube is spam blasting it.
Starting point is 01:41:29 And I'm getting people asking me, like I'm getting requests for comments and stuff. And I'm just like, guys, none of that is real. It's not real content. What do you do when someone gets promoted in the algorithm on fake content? I have no idea. Well, I made a response to it.
Starting point is 01:41:44 So what is he debating you on? Andrew and I had a debate on whether rights exist. Andrew's debate, I'll say this, because again, with respect, he argues rights are entitlements without duties. And I suppose my mistake was not just attacking his semantics, instead trying to convey my understanding of the moral philosophy and meanings.
Starting point is 01:42:07 First of all, entitlements can't have duties. That's oxymoronic, it's paradoxical. What's an entitlement? An entitlement is something that you are intrinsically allowed to have, that you are by nature or virtue allowed to have. So the problem with the concept of rights is that they're ill-defined.
Starting point is 01:42:24 Rights are defined as entitlements by the dictionary and entitlements are defined as rights by the dictionary, so it's circular. That's why I like white privilege. I rather like privilege. Privilege, exactly. White privilege better than. The question becomes what does a person mean
Starting point is 01:42:35 when they say they have a right to something? And my definition is that it's something they believe they can't survive without. And then we try to define when something actually enters into the territory of a true right, whether you actually have a right to it, whether or not you could survive. So that means only some things you have a right to,
Starting point is 01:42:51 that you are allowed to have by virtue of existence. Didn't that UN guy say there was no such thing as rights? Yeah. Like the WEF guy? Yes. I forget. So they are, the elite kind of already think that, right? They do and they're wrong because, this is a semantic argument, this is the problem with
Starting point is 01:43:11 the debate around rights. They're making a semantic argument, Andrew made a semantic argument that what we believe to be rights can't exist because there is no truth but power. Which is an anarchic and, this concept exists within anarchic philosophy as well as fascistic philosophy. That the only thing that is true is what you can enforce to be true. Therefore, no one has any true rights to anything because they must have the right
Starting point is 01:43:33 to exert force to obtain it. Which omits my point, if you are standing alone naked in the woods, what can you do and what must you do? And then how would we define something as your right to do? So my argument is when someone says they have a right to something, what they're basically telling you is if I can't do this, I die or my survival is in jeopardy.
Starting point is 01:43:56 His argument is people just claim they should be allowed to do something by virtue of their opinion, which is, my argument largely is there are things that we must intrinsically be able to do to survive. And it's exemplified, and where does this come? It's not axiomatic. It's rooted in communist countries that curtail rights fail and countries that allow an expansion of rights
Starting point is 01:44:19 tend to succeed. The US begins to fail as communistic philosophies and authoritarianism rises, stripping away people's right to liberty. Do you think China will fail? China? I think China only began to succeed because they're cheating. They're they're pretending they're
Starting point is 01:44:35 cheating like to a communist there be cheating, right? So when when China first began, they were struggling and failing, they were starving and they were dying to tens of millions and Mao killed more people than any other human. It's only when they began to adopt more liberties in their marketplace
Starting point is 01:44:48 With they began to relax how their economy worked that they began to find some degree of success but I think uh people are correct in saying that China may be a paper tiger They have big fake empty cities and some argue their population size is not actually one billion They've been flubbing the numbers. You you see that Trump said he would bomb Beijing today? Yes, he said it in 2022, I think. Pretty badass. There was a story,
Starting point is 01:45:10 there was a story that was really interesting that Daily Beast said they had leaked audio of Trump telling a donor he threatened to bomb Beijing and Moscow, which is funny, but there's an actual video of a Trump donor in 2022 that we covered where he holds the phone up and they film it. And Trump says, I told Putin and I would bomb Moscow.
Starting point is 01:45:30 And he says, I don't know if he believed me, maybe 5%, but I told him I'd do it. Anyway, I did an hour long breakdown on my view and understandings of the moral philosophies around rights. That'll be up on Sunday. And again, what I find irksome is that someone like Warren Smith or Sam Seder and there's other people intentionally break the argument
Starting point is 01:45:49 so the audience can't understand. I may be wrong about all of it, but the important thing is that you hear what I actually think and what Andrew actually thinks. And then you can say, you know what, Andrew makes a great point, I think Tim is wrong. What Warren did was he removed my arguments and then said, Tim doesn't know what he's talking about.
Starting point is 01:46:03 So then all you actually see is what Andrew is saying, you don't actually see what my point was. And I think that's smarmy scumbaggery. Do you think AI is gonna automatically take more rights away? I think it will. I don't know, I mean, it depends. So like the issue of rights as I try to-
Starting point is 01:46:23 Because we have to like, we're taking AI's rights away, right? Like, well, they don't- I don't think AI has any rights. It doesn't yet. So like the argument over rights as survival, the reason healthcare is not a human right, is that healthcare is not something that inherently exists as a function of physics.
Starting point is 01:46:39 So you can't force someone to give you healthcare, but you do have a right to get healthcare from someone else. A nation that would restrict the ability of injured or sick individuals from getting healthcare So you can't force someone to give you healthcare, but you do have a right to get healthcare from someone else. A nation that would restrict the ability of injured or sick individuals from getting healthcare will likely struggle to succeed and result in a hindrance. The degree to which a nation inhibits the rights of its citizens,
Starting point is 01:46:56 you can see the degree of stagnation and ultimate failure. So for instance, the Soviets failed in 69 years because a curtailing of liberty and the right to make determinations for yourself, that is the inherent ability for you to choose what is best for you, resulted in the failure of that governmental system. You can exist as a system like China where you actually succeed, grow, and become wealthy by finding that balance of where you can curtail the rights of individuals but still allow
Starting point is 01:47:21 a degree of economic freedom, and that's what they're trying to do. So we call them a pseudo-communist country where they allow businesses to start, but still allow a degree of economic freedom. And that's what they're trying to do. So we call them a pseudo communist country where they allow businesses to start, but they can snap their fingers and shut the business down whenever they want. They don't vote, right? Yeah, I mean, they vote. Do they?
Starting point is 01:47:34 They have a president, it's not real. And so what ends up happening with- Do women vote there? I don't know how their electoral system works, but I believe they do have some kind of voting system. Yeah. And there's a party, but you maybe have to be a party member,
Starting point is 01:47:49 I'm not entirely sure. My point ultimately is the United States is the greatest country this planet has ever seen, because its core foundations were the protection of liberty against government tyranny. And the only reason the United States is now struggling is because communist philosophies have taken over a large portion of the country.
Starting point is 01:48:05 You think Trump is using some of those, like, to his advantage? Like, you know, whatever he just passed some, you know, the big, beautiful bill? Yeah, he's got everything. The being born in the country thing? Yeah, birthright citizenship. That's a good thing. He's trying to get rid of it. Right, that's a good thing. It is?
Starting point is 01:48:24 Yes. Why? So, I would align this with the core tenet that creates the Second Amendment, the right to defend yourself, your society, and your culture. Very few countries have complete open birthright citizenship the way we do, but I'll explain it in a very simple analogy. There were baseball fields in my neighborhood where I grew up. They've overgrown with weeds
Starting point is 01:48:46 and they put soccer goals there instead. If there is a function, if there's a functioning government that produces a large degree of success and you dilute the ideology of that system and you bring in external miscellaneous thought, then you will bog down that system and eventually it will be hindered.
Starting point is 01:49:06 So what I see largely is mass migration. Let's talk about like anchor babies for instance. Why is it bad? A family comes here intentionally as illegally enters the country and gives birth to a child and then they get deported. That kid then comes back to the United States at some point
Starting point is 01:49:22 or they stay here because they get some refugee program. And what do they tend to do? They work in a community, get money, and send that money to a foreign country through remittances. This extracts the trade medium from a local jurisdiction. So if you look at a city like Detroit, why did Detroit collapse? When the rust belt started breaking down
Starting point is 01:49:39 as the auto industry was failing, that sustained that local jurisdiction. They didn't have a local currency. So you build cars, the cars are sold, and money comes into Michigan. When the auto manufacturing collapsed, all of a sudden there's no money, there's no principle function
Starting point is 01:49:56 to generate value for this location. One thing I often ask myself when I travel is how does this city sustain itself? This is a curiosity to have. So I went to Wellington, New Zealand, and I said, what is the, what is the chief function of this, of this city? Because there's gotta be something of value produced and traded with to maintain a city
Starting point is 01:50:17 because cities don't grow food. They take food from somewhere else. Wellington, New Zealand is government. Government takes money from everyone around the country and then centralizes it in Wellington. DC is the exact same thing. So when you have people coming into your country and taking money out of the locality and sending it back,
Starting point is 01:50:34 you are extracting the value of that community and you are weakening its ability to sustain itself. I get with like the illegal immigrants, but like what about, cause now it's like anybody who doesn't have a green card apparently. Yeah, no one should just get to be a citizen. Like if, I love this analogy, if your neighbor's cow walks into your yard and gives birth,
Starting point is 01:50:50 you don't get to keep the calf. Like so, so I'll give you a few other heavy political examples. If a Chinese family, they actually do this, fly to the US and then give birth to a kid and fly back. It's called Chinese birth tourism. It happens. That kid can come back in 20 years or 30 years, get a job and then 15 years later, run for president. Why would we want a Chinese born national who is a card carrying a vowed member of the Chinese Communist Party to have the right to be our president? That makes literally no sense. That's just one political incongruence. But you also
Starting point is 01:51:25 have once again, let's do the baseball field thing. Baseball fields are kind of simple. And they're from Belgium or something. I don't care if they're from Belgium or from Pakistan. That's where the race argument. Let me tell you, I like baseball. I like baseball. I don't like soccer. I don't care if you like soccer, you're allowed to soccer's fine. We got American soccer teams and we do well in the world in the in the World Cup and all that stuff. I don't care if you like soccer, you're allowed to soccer's fine. We got American soccer teams and we do well in the World Cup and all that stuff. I like that my neighborhood had a baseball field. They put up soccer nets instead
Starting point is 01:51:51 because the neighborhood has largely become over the past. Well, actually it's not much but there's no kids anymore. And so now the question is, what sports are being played in my neighborhood? I, as a bad steward of my home, I left, did not help to maintain the values that I liked. What we end up seeing from this is, that's a simple, silly thing.
Starting point is 01:52:10 Like people might be like, who cares about baseball? But the bigger picture is free speech, the right to keep his bare arms, the right to be free from unreasonable search and seizure. These are core values that are instilled in Americans and the American tradition that don't exist in people from the third world. Some of them may understand and want this.
Starting point is 01:52:26 Those people tend to come here and wave American flags. There's a viral video from an Iranian who said he was a refugee in Turkey. He came to America and he waves the American flag because he is so happy to get what we cherish. But the people who come here illegally in violation of our laws, spitting in our face, who then have kids and then use those kids
Starting point is 01:52:41 to send money back to their home country are simply saying, I will take from you and extract your value That is a very bad thing that will erode and destroy a country and immigrants that come to this country Legally from all across the world. They do very well. They tend to be very successful economically They start businesses they contribute to their community and that's a very very different thing than what he's talking about. But but but Some of them still get you know, you might not get a green card right away. You might get like a different type of visa. But the the thing that Trump's saying
Starting point is 01:53:12 is like, if you don't have a green card, but you have another visa, it still doesn't count. Well, why why should a tourist get to have their why why is it tourist but a working visa? Yeah, like why why is someone who's not a center this country going to get? Why is there could get to be a citizen? Cuz it's a free country. It's but that's that's that's that's and it that's that's not well, I'm just I'm playing devil's advocate I agree with basically we can we can go we can make a moral argument that this country was built by Americans What makes it free is that anybody can come here and become part of it if you follow our rules and laws legally? Proceedingly right but that's I'm saying but so Trump has decided that the law the law is that anybody can come here and become part of it. If you follow our rules and laws. Legally, proceed. Legally. Right. But, that's what I'm saying, but.
Starting point is 01:53:47 So Trump has decided that the law is that you don't get to be a citizen by virtue of being born here. Right. And I argue he's factually correct. The argument of the 14th Amendment is contentious. The purpose of the 14th Amendment was that after the Civil War, slaves were to be made citizens,
Starting point is 01:54:06 and they also had children who were to be made citizens. So the statement of anyone born here as a citizen was intended to be, as of today, anyone who was born here as a citizen. And then they had a debate and they were like, nah, nah, it should be anyone born here at any point ever. And they actually debated it. Because the reason the debate exists,
Starting point is 01:54:26 because it was not clear cut. They did not agree that that was gonna be the case. In fact, the Senator proposed it said, this should not include foreigners, diplomats, aliens, et cetera. The argument from the left is, no, no, no, no. That was one thing. He was saying foreigners, aliens, diplomats.
Starting point is 01:54:41 He was saying those people who were diplomats ambassadors. The argument from the right is, no, no, he's saying's saying it makes no sense that any literally any foreigner who comes here just gets to have their kid be a citizen. So the problem we have right now is Gen Z can't buy homes. The labor market is struggling. People keep saying, but unemployment is low. Yeah. No, that's because Gen Z isn't working and young people don't have jobs. I think it will work if Gen Z and millennials have kids. I think Gen Z too. They're not. Gen Z, well, so then it's gonna not necessarily
Starting point is 01:55:13 be that beneficial to get rid of birthright citizenship because it'll become like Japan where. Yep, and that's too bad, but the issue right now is when you have New York giving up residential space to illegal immigrants, which they just renewed. And it does the same thing. And then Gen Z says, I can't afford an apartment. How is an American Gen Zer supposed to have children
Starting point is 01:55:36 if he can't even have a place to live, but an illegal immigrant can come here and get a free place to live? That is a system that is intended to destroy the American tradition. And with that, you end up bringing bringing in look at Dearborn, Michigan But massive escalation on child female genital mutilation It's not gonna last though the birthright thing because when the Democrats get back in they'll repeal it if they do
Starting point is 01:55:58 The Democrats are split right you don't think they'll get back in it's possible But the probability I would say right now is slim considering their party is fractured into two different, I pulled up a study the other day showing the ideal, it was an ideological map and then it weighted it in each different category by like age, by political party. The Democrats, I'll just keep it simple, it's a wide, Republicans are tight.
Starting point is 01:56:21 Republicans, which include relative moderates, former liberals at this point, largely agree. There is moderate deviation. Libertarians might very much disagree with, you know, Trump supporters. The Democrats, if they get in, I can see them actually upholding what Trump did because they're gonna realize that they have to to win.
Starting point is 01:56:43 It's possible. And so that's the reformation of the Democratic Party, but they'd have to excise the far left. So the interesting thing about this ideological map, which I can maybe try and pull up in the uncensored portion. Which would be a good thing. The Democrats, so let's, I'll put it this way. Here's a spattering on the map, right? And there's a line in the middle.
Starting point is 01:56:59 The top is red and it's a standard curve. The Democrats shaped like a curve and then have a bubble that sticks out. The bubble that sticks out is the far left. They are attached to Democrats but have a different worldview. This is creating a big problem for Democrats in winning larger elections because Republicans are more unified.
Starting point is 01:57:18 Despite the fact that there is hyper polarization and it is relatively split, Democrats are struggling to contend with the fact that moderates don't like gender ideology and the far left demands it. All they have to do is legalize weed and actually run on that campaign. I don't understand, I think it's because
Starting point is 01:57:34 of the pharmaceutical companies that don't want, and also the alcohol or tobacco industry. I don't know who's not letting the Democrats, you know how like Justin Trudeau openly openly was like I'm going to legalize marijuana I would have worked I would agree with you five years ago In fact, I said I said Trump should pardon all nonviolent I'm sure do it marijuana conviction the federal level ever does it kind of has I win forever. I don't think so No, Jen Z has shifted to the right. So
Starting point is 01:58:03 Jen more and more days coming out showing Jen Z is becoming more conservative and more Christian and Their use of substance is rapidly declining and it's not just drugs soda consumption has among your generations is almost gone I mean their drinking has subsided, but they're vape penning. They're losers and They don't have sex. They don't they don't drink they don't smoke. Yeah, they just sit around and and worry about they're doing They're taking the adderall smoking weed But but the use of these things is lower among Gen Z than it was among previous generations But hopefully they just have kids People just need to realize that if you don't have kids until you're in your like 40s or whatever like you're you're
Starting point is 01:58:43 You're missing out. You're kind of doing your kids a disservice because kids want to have a young. But how does Gen Z have a kid if they can't buy a home? Because they fuck. Sorry. I don't know. Am I allowed? I'm not allowed to swear. Give us two minutes. I mean, I'm swearing early. We try not. I didn't swear. That was a good catch.
Starting point is 01:58:59 But if Gen Z. Can afford the types of things that they afford on a daily basis, they can afford kids. They're full of it. I disagree. I mean, how many kids do you have? Two. So you know how much formula costs?
Starting point is 01:59:17 No. You don't know how much formula costs? No. It's like, what is it, like 100 bucks, 80 bucks? I would never use formula. Sometimes you have no choice. So I'm not a fan of formula. You find someone with a good breath.
Starting point is 01:59:29 Well, you find a wet nurse. Yeah. But for Gen Z. I've luckily not had to deal with that. But even if you do, it's like the same, they buy Starbucks three times a day. That's technically true. But the issue is that the cost of a house right now on average
Starting point is 01:59:46 is what, $500,000? Just rent it. So even then you need 10 grand to move in. The cost of daycare if both parents have to work? Yeah, it's prohibitive. Now I do think that I've made the argument that Gen Z should rough it, and it's getting worse for you. A lot of these Gen Z kids, though, they come out of university,
Starting point is 02:00:09 and they're making like 70 to 90K a year. I mean, maybe those rare ones are having kids. The issue is that instead of getting married, does somebody else making that amount of money and prioritizing their future and creating a family, the culture suggests that they should just use that money to have as much fun as they can. But that's true among millennials.
Starting point is 02:00:29 Then they don't. Gen Z is shifting rightward on those things. I mean, you're not completely wrong, the culture is telling them to do this, but I think Gen Z is shifting right. We're going to the Uncensored show. We'll keep talking about it. Smash the like button, share the show with everyone you know.
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