Timcast IRL - Trump Approves IRAN ATTACK PLAN, Holds Final Order, Iran May Meet At White House w/ Mike Doran

Episode Date: June 19, 2025

Tim, Phil, & Brett are joined by Mike Doran to discuss Trump approving an attack plan against Iran, China sending mystery transport planes to Iran, BlueSky suspending JD Vance's account 20 minutes aft...er he created it, and Eric Swalwell posting a deranged political ad accusing republicans of kidnapping citizens.   Hosts:  Tim @Timcast (everywhere) Phil @PhilThatRemains (X) Brett  ⁨@PopCultureCrisis⁩  (YouTube) Serge @SergeDotCom (everywhere) Guest: Mike Doran @Doranimated (X)

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Starting point is 00:00:56 hose message and data rates may apply no purchase required terms apply available at pocket hose.com slash terms Donald Trump has approved a strike plan on Iran. That's right, ladies and gentlemen. Donald Trump has approved a U.S. military strike plan on Iran. But wait, he's holding off on giving the final order. He wants to negotiate with Iran, and we all hope that's the case. He actually said the Iranians want to come to the White House, and that may happen. I hope so. Anything is better than a drawn-out, protracted war, and if you win without having to actually get involved and waste money and resource,
Starting point is 00:01:42 that sounds like a good plan. Hopefully, this is just Trump's big ask. Saber rattles makes it look like we're gearing for war, but then brings them to the table. Well, maybe that's what happens. But we also have the story that I think a lot of people missed yesterday. China sent a mysterious plane, a transport, we don't know exactly what it is, to Iran. Maybe it's to evacuate, maybe it's supplies, who knows? But it was a single plane still. Interesting. Then we've got over at the Pentagon, one of Hegseth's top guys escorted out of the building. This may be another leaker. We'll talk about that. Plus, we've got a bunch more. Obama says we are steps away from autocracy because apparently he was
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Starting point is 00:05:08 Hello. Who are you? What do you do? I am a senior fellow at the Hudson Institute where I work on the Middle East. So you know a whole lot about what's going on right now with all this Iran-Israel stuff. I do. Oh, so you're the perfect guy to be here. Well, I appreciate it. It should be fun and insightful. I look forward to you explaining things to us. So thanks for hanging out. Great to be here. Well, I appreciate it. It should be fun and insightful. I look forward to you explaining things to us. So thanks for hanging out.
Starting point is 00:05:28 Great to be here. We got Brett hanging out. Yes, guys. I'm not expected to know anything about what's going on in the Middle East, but we're going to talk about it because normally I'm doing Pop Culture Crisis Monday through Friday, 3 p.m. Eastern Standard Time, which is noon Pacific. You should join us there. But you know about Caitlin Clark. Yes. There we go.
Starting point is 00:05:43 Yes. She got body checked. She's been getting body checked for like the last year. You also know about the made for TV movie that's made about the real events. Look, I saw Zero Dark Thirty and Argo. We're good.
Starting point is 00:05:57 Good stuff. That's all we need. My name is Phil Levante. I'm the lead singer of the heavy metal band All That Remains. I'm an anti-communist and a counter-revolutionary. Let's get into it. Here's the story from the Wall Street Journal. Trump privately approved of attack plans for Iran but has withheld the final order. The president is hoping that threatening to join Israel's strikes will lead to Iran to abandon its nuclear program. They say since his private instructions in the White House Situation Room to the military, Trump has disclosed publicly that an attack is an option. Quote, I have ideas
Starting point is 00:06:30 on what to do, but I haven't made a final. I'd like to make the final decision one second before it's due, he told reporters. Very Trumpian. Trump is hoping that threatening to join Israel strikes in Iran, which continued for a six day, will compel Tehran to meet his demands. The people said he acknowledged that a U.S. attack was under consideration, but said he still might decide against it. Well, we do have this. Trump says he may meet with Iran at the White House. This is amazing. We actually have a clip. Let's let's roll the tape. They should have made the deal. I had a great deal for them. They should have made that deal. 60 days we talked about it. And in the end, they decided not to do it. And now they wish they did it. And they want to meet. But it's a little late to meet, but they want to meet and they want to come to the White House or even come to the White House. So we'll see. I may I may do that. But it's it's a shame. It wasn't could have been done the easy way. Could have been done the easy way. Well, I certainly would prefer that.
Starting point is 00:07:28 But what do you think, Mike? Do you think Iran's going to come to the table, actually negotiate something legitimate? Or do you think we go to war? I think they're in really bad shape. And I think they're only now starting to understand how bad everything is. Israel's in total control of the skies of Tehran. I think this is something they couldn't have imagined. Today, completely blue skies and Israel was bombing in the daylight. Iran hasn't it hasn't shot down a single drone
Starting point is 00:07:55 or a single jet of the Israelis as far as I know. It's amazing. Do you think there's a possibility that Iran may bring in some allies? I don't think so. I don't know who would do it, who could do it. Yeah. There's the only power in the area that could cause Israel significant trouble is Turkey, and it's not inclined to. I mean, Israel has an unimpeded air bridge from Israel across Syria into Iran. If the Turks wanted to cause trouble, they could. They don't want to do that.
Starting point is 00:08:28 Nobody is upset about what Israel is doing. They don't want to participate in it, but everyone wants to see Iran's nuclear program destroyed. There was a story earlier about Russia giving some kind of warning, but the warning was actually just fears of destabilizing the region. All these different news outlets are trying to make it seem like Putin was saying, Trump, I'm going to come for you and join Iran. He was actually saying, oh man, if Iran falls, that could destabilize the region. It wasn't even Putin. It was a
Starting point is 00:09:00 foreign minister, an advisor, I guess. And so it really just sounds like they're all kind of saying, yeah, Ryan, you're on your own on this one. We don't want to get involved. I know for a fact that Khamenei called Putin after Trump was elected. And in October, the Israelis knocked out all of the air defenses of the Iranians. And they were at that point totally naked before the Israelis. And Khamenei called Putin and said, he didn't ask, he ordered him. He said, when you were in trouble, I came to help for you. You must come and help me now.
Starting point is 00:09:34 And Putin said, nyet. So Putin has been keeping a certain amount of distance from Iran since Trump was elected. A lot of people that one of the strongest arguments about you know against going to getting for the U.S. getting involved in any anything going on with with Iran is that there would be a rush to support Iran from not just Russia but also China. Neither of them seem to be doing anything. Does that do you think that that changes the equation regarding China and Taiwan as well? Or do you think that these are too into too different to to to make comparisons? It's really to me, it's a huge question, a hugely important question. How is how is China going to read the implications of the Iran war for its relations with us over Taiwan?
Starting point is 00:10:30 And I don't know that I have a good sense of that. I think that Trump taking his whole point about peace through strength, I think the stronger he is, the more decisive he is, the more he'll be able to deter Xi Jinping. But how Xi Jinping is reading it, it's not clear to me. One little small thing that's interesting about China and Iran, the Israelis, we say that their goal is to destroy the Iranian nuclear program, but it's not exactly true. They have two goals, destroy the nuclear program and also destroy the nuclear program, and also destroy the ballistic missile program. And the reason for that is that last October, when the Iranians struck the Israelis, what they did is they saturated one level of the Israeli air defense with these medium-range ballistic missiles. They got through and hit the Nevatim air bases, which is where the Israelis have the F-35,
Starting point is 00:11:25 and it really rattled the Israelis. So they responded by taking out the part of the production supply chain, the production chain of the Iranians for these ballistic missiles. They destroyed these mixers for making the solid fuel propellant. And the Israelis calculated at that time that they had set the production of the ballistic missiles back or stopped the production for at least a year. But what happened was the Chinese moved in and gave the Iranians new equipment. And then the Iranians started a plan to double or triple their supply of these weapons or their arsenal of these weapons within the next five years. And if they got that kind of arsenal, from the Israeli point of view, that would be the equivalent of an atomic bomb, even though it's a conventional weapon because of the firepower it would have.
Starting point is 00:12:19 So there's kind of two things that are pushing the Israelis forward. And one of them is the fact that China is helping Iran, but not in a direct way. I don't think they'll intervene directly militarily, but they'll be there to try to help Iran rebuild. They'll violate U.S. sanctions, right? Because that's what they're doing with that? Or are there no sanctions on the parts that Iran would need? They do it through companies. So they will violate sanctions, but they'll also play fast and loose. And it's a kind of then a sort of a whack-a-mole game of trying to find which part of China you're going to, which entity in China you're going to go after in order to prevent this from happening.
Starting point is 00:13:07 Does this hurt Trump's credibility? I noticed he gives himself an out at the end of his speech there. He says, or I might not do it at all, basically, which is like, look, I could do this. I could end up doing all these things, but I might not. That way it doesn't look bad
Starting point is 00:13:19 if the time runs out on the arbitrary timeline he gave Iran and then they don't come to the table. And then him not acting ends up making him look weak, which is why he gives himself that out there. Do you think it'll be perceived as weakness by the rest of the world? If the time runs out, nobody comes to the table, and the U.S. doesn't get involved? We don't know what the negotiation—there's clearly a negotiation going on. The Iranians are sending messages. He's not totally happy with them, so so he's trying to move them but we don't know what it is so i i think it gives him options he always likes that to keep options open let's just say like it's a bad thing
Starting point is 00:13:55 it fit it felt like the type of thing where like if he doesn't make that statement at the end there then it's going to be perceived a certain way so the messaging was designed to give him that out it it kind of feels like based on the news about uh you know as you're describing israel's just bombarding iran iran's not blocking any of it they've got no defenses for this and uh israel's heavily defended it looks like iran's already been crushed i i wouldn't go that far because there's a there's another uh article in the wall street journal about the magazine of the Israelis, their interceptors running out. Because the interceptors to shoot down the ballistic missiles are much more expensive than the missiles themselves.
Starting point is 00:14:37 Because you have to build a much more sophisticated missile to hit a missile than the one coming in. And then sometimes it takes two or three to do it so the israelis are running up against the clock and they they so the iranians are running a marathon interest and the israelis are sprinting which is one of the reasons which is one of the reasons why i think trump might actually bomb iran wow i mean yeah i hadn't considered that and that's it sounds like you're that's what's going to happen i i i i'd be willing to bet on it iran's basically saying we're going to wait until israel's defenses are run run out and then go full bore just well i think what they would do is is they they would if they could but because it's it's a it's a kind of a race, I think they would like to demonstrate that they're not going to be toppled and wait until they can see that Israel is having trouble with interceptors and then producing interceptors and then start a serious negotiation with Trump if they could hold out that long and then Trump would be that would give Trump leverage over Israel to shut the thing down if
Starting point is 00:15:50 he were so inclined but their their their only way out is to have the United States protect them from Israel or to have Israel run through its magazine. So you think the most likely outcome then will be Trump will order a strike on Iran? I think he probably will. Unless they come with – basically he said to the – I mean, we have to think about probabilities. So I know not one thing or another. I think the highest probability is that Trump will bomb Fordow, the fortified facility under the mountain. Because that's all the Israelis want from the Americans. In terms of American intervention, they want the bunker busters and the B-2 bombers.
Starting point is 00:16:40 So they want that operation. And Trump is going to look at this and see, unless the Iranians are coming and capitulating and saying, we will destroy our nuclear program, we will destroy all the underground facilities, we'll do it under IAEA supervision and so forth. Unless they say that, then they're just playing for time. And he's going to see that the closer the Israelis get to running through their magazine, the more they're going to be inclined to take extreme measures to put pressure on the Iranians.
Starting point is 00:17:14 And he'll see it as the least worst option will be to just destroy the program and then we're done. Interesting. Well, let's jump to the story from The Telegraph. We missed this one yesterday. Serge found it. China sends mystery transport planes into Iran. Flight plans indicate a final destination of Luxembourg, but the aircraft appeared to have never flown near European skies. Take a look at this map. This is fascinating. You can see all of the planes that are avoiding this area for a good reason. Iran, Iraq, Syria, Jordan, Israel.
Starting point is 00:17:46 Ain't nobody flying over these countries right now. Save for a few. We've got this one, CLX9877. They say, the day after Israel attacked Iran on Friday, a cargo plane took off from China. The next day, a second plane departed from a coastal city. Then on Monday, yet another departed, this time from Shanghai. Three flights in three days. They say, to add to the mystery,
Starting point is 00:18:09 flight plans indicated a final destination of Luxembourg, but the aircraft appeared to have never flown near European skies. Aviation experts have noted the type of plane used, Boeing 747 freighters, are commonly used for transporting military equipment and weapons and hired to fly government contract orders. Quote, these cargoes cannot but generate a lot of interest because of the expectation that China might do something to help Iran, said Andrea Ghiselli, a lecturer at the University of Exeter, who specializes in China's relations with the Middle East and North Africa. They're going to mention that China and Iran are strategic partners, aligned primarily in their opposition to the U.S.-led world order
Starting point is 00:18:43 and in favor of a new multipolar phase in global diplomacy. They mention Iran is one of China's key energy suppliers, sending as many as 2 million barrels of oil a day. So it's no surprise that Beijing might be looking for ways to support and stabilize the Islamic Republic. Now, I'm wondering, could these have been evacuations? Maybe they're trying to, you know, trump says the ayatollahs we know where we know where he is we can get him when we want to could these planes be meant to get people out of the country safely i don't see why not why not yeah right
Starting point is 00:19:17 i mean it could be anything that we were just talking i don't see why they'd be bringing in military equipment to be honest maybe though unless though. Unless it's uranium. They could have been bringing in components or something. Microcontrollers, chips for... Maybe something to do with air defense. I really have no idea. It could be anything. What about you, Brett? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:19:38 Is there any movie that you've seen that will explain what's going on? The thing that I thought was funny about it is, what if somebody really needed to get to the other side really, really fast? Like, look, we're not going to go around. We're just going to... Like, sure, a missile might hit us, but we've got places. Well, that is this story. Check this out, this tweet. Can I call somebody? Yeah. Well, I
Starting point is 00:19:55 mean, who is it? His name is John Kasapoglu. He works with me. He's a Turkish open source military analyst. He'll have an idea. Do you want to try it? I mean, yeah, if he doesn't mind being live to millions of people, I guess. We'll find out. Here we go. He's going to be like,
Starting point is 00:20:10 what do you mean I'm on the air? All right. We're going to phone a friend to get an answer as to what these Chinese transports are. It rules. In the meantime, while you're getting him on the phone,
Starting point is 00:20:21 we have this one. Alex Fazio posted this image. Someone wasn't monitoring the situation. and there's a lone UAE flight going straight over Iran. I love this. Patrick Blumenthal said, quote, I deleted my social media and stopped reading the news. And honestly, my mental health has been so much better. See, I'm on air right now on a podcast to millions of people and I want to beam you in. Is that all right? Yeah, to millions of people and I want to beam you in. Is that all right? Yeah, to millions of people and I want to beam you in. Is that okay? Are you ready to?
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Starting point is 00:20:57 Really? No, no, no. Put it on the top of it. Like that? Yep. Yeah. Oh, hey. Okay. All right.
Starting point is 00:21:03 And don't put it on speaker. Nope. Nope. Don't put it on speaker no no don't put it can we can he talk maybe we hear him hey hey john talk no i can't hear him okay you might have to do the earpiece speaker here i'll just put it on speakerphone okay talk now uh hi can you hear me yeah now you can put up to the microphone okay now put up the microphone so so john we're we're looking at a map, and there was, in the Telegraph, there's this report that a Chinese plane or... Three of them. Three Chinese planes a couple of days ago flew into Iran. What do you think they did?
Starting point is 00:21:39 What are they doing? Depends what kind of planes they are. Are they cargo planes? Yes. Strategic lifts? Yes, cargo planes. So if they're cargo planes and if they're Chinese, I would say my number one guesstimate would be
Starting point is 00:21:56 solid propellant components for Iranian missiles. Wow. My second guesstimate would be guidance systems or microprocessors for, again, Iranian missiles. My third guesstimate, and these are all like I'm ranking them according to their probability, my third guesstimate would be a Chinese attempt to boost Iranian air defenses or electronic warfare systems. But this is helpless against Israeli technologies. I know the Iranians use Chinese anti-ship missiles, but I don't think in this case they are looking for them. Iranian Shahid drones have Chinese DNA.
Starting point is 00:22:43 So my fifth guesst estimate would be some drone components. But if I had to bet on one thing, I would say Iran needs solid propellant, medium-range ballistic missiles against Israel as a counteroffensive deterrent. And I know that the Israelis hit their solid propellant production facilities hard back in October 2024. So if they had one chance to go Chinese for something, and if I were advisor to Hamaneh, I would go for this. Okay. So the full missiles? No, the solid propellantant because missiles are like superstructures.
Starting point is 00:23:28 So you have to produce the microprocessors, mission computers, multiple reentry vehicles, the fins, the airframes. The part that the Iranians are mostly depending on the Chinese is the solid propellant fuel for the solid propellant ballistic missiles.
Starting point is 00:23:54 Why solid propellant is very important? Because it minimizes the launch cycle almost three to one compared to liquid fuel systems. And it is very important in two kinds of situations. First, if your adversary is flying over your airspace and looking for your transporter erector launchers, which is the cool way of saying the vehicles that launch your ballistic missiles. And second, if you want to boost the surprise factor
Starting point is 00:24:25 against your adversary, like a blitz, like a lightning attack. Interesting. I want you to know John's getting married on Saturday. Oh, okay. Congratulations. Yeah, thank you. And it's in the middle of the night for him. Oh. 3 a.m.
Starting point is 00:24:42 Oh, wow. Thanks for calling in. This is the... Whenever I have a question about what what's happening militarily in the world i can call him up in the middle of the night and he never complains even when he's about to get married i think i think i mean it sounds spot on this is actually what you you and we were just speculating as to what this may be components for missiles or something or but he but he said it with it with a much greater degree of certainty. I know, it's fantastic. Yeah, the Chinese, actually, we know that the Chinese wanted to ship those to the Iranians.
Starting point is 00:25:14 And some news stories suggest that they did it. But 100% we know that they tried to do that by sea lanes. But if they dispatched an airlift, a strategic airlift, and if it is really solid propellant components, it means that the Chinese and the Iranians, because they are the demanding party, they were in a hurry, literally. Yet again, there comes another question. If they were in a hurry,
Starting point is 00:25:51 why in the world their generals were sleeping in their beds in the counter apartments of Tehran? Yeah. So I looked it up. Three cargo planes, 747s, can carry 360 metric tons of solid fuel. Yeah. 793,000 pounds. Mm- fuel. Yeah. 793,000 pounds. Mm-hmm. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:26:11 And it would equip, like, high double-digit numbers of medium-range ballistic missiles. Wow. Yeah. The Internet says it could be 12 ICBMs, 24 to 36 MRBMs, and 60 to 90 SRBMs. 26 MRBMs? No, much higher. So because you can you can play with it. Like, look, it is it is it is like a child's play. If you reduce the warhead weight and you need less fuel. For instance, the
Starting point is 00:26:47 Hormshar missile that the Iranians fired, like signal fired, it is more than test fire, like signal fired a few days ago, the warhead was almost empty. They wanted to show something. So it depends. It's going to get dangerous because they have some toys that they haven't demonstrated yet. Like Fatih 2, like Khurramshah with an actual warhead. The actual warhead is more than three times the warhead of the Hach-Qasem missiles, for instance, or EMAT missiles that they have been throwing at the Israelis. So is it possible that right now Iran is using weaker warheads to try and run out the interceptors? I wouldn't say the weaker warheads. I would say the mid-range warheads in their arsenals.
Starting point is 00:27:37 These are not the weakest links in the overall Iranian arsenal, but these are not the rock stars either. The rock stars are still waiting. So the question was, is it possible that they're holding back somewhat in order to run down the magazine of the Israelis? Yeah, of course, because look, like the magazine depth, the interceptor magazine, which interceptor we use it for, defensive missiles that intercept other missiles, like the aero missiles, like the TAT missiles.
Starting point is 00:28:10 So the magazine depth is at the highest point during the opening stages of a conflict. Okay. So you want to throw, you have to be very careful, like you want to throw your less important assets in the beginning of a conflict to deplete the adversaries interceptors but you cannot go uh very weak and very low with that because also you have to signal that you are powerful and you are capable of inflicting damage to your adversary so what the iranians are doing right now, like Hachkars, Imat, these kind of missiles, this is the sweet spot. And I think their choice of weapons are really good.
Starting point is 00:28:54 I would advise the same if I were advising Khamenei, if I were on the dark side. Interesting. Wow, thanks, man. This has been very insightful. Okay, John, thanks a lot. Thank you. Thank you. Thank man. This has been very insightful. Okay, John, thanks a lot. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Bye-bye.
Starting point is 00:29:07 I'm going to be awake for one more hour. My fiance is sleeping here. She hasn't left me yet for some reason. I don't know. Mike is coming all the way from the United States, like continental United States, to my wedding just to apologize. I'm starting my relationship with your wife
Starting point is 00:29:27 on a really nice foot. Thank you. Thank you. Bye-bye. Wow, that was amazing. He's amazing. Basically, he just gave us the... He's amazing. Do you remember when there was that
Starting point is 00:29:43 missile that went into Poland? Yeah. And it was the question, did Russia strike Poland or was it a Ukrainian interceptor? And there was a report that came out saying that a Western intelligence official had said it was a it was a russian missile and he immediately said he looked at the picture of of the um of the um engine there was a picture of the burnt wreckage of the engine and he immediately said no this is a he he did it like an intelligence analyst he said there's a there's an 85 probability that this is a ukrain interceptor. He said there is one possibility that it's a Russian missile, but in that case it has to have been fired because of the distances from Belarus,
Starting point is 00:30:37 and we don't have any information that the Russians have these missiles in Belarus, so it's really probably the Ukrainian. And he did that just from looking at the records. I don't know anyone else who knows all of the technical details to that level. Rocket engines. He was saying how many missiles could they fuel with 360 tons of fuel? He said high double digits, I thought. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:31:07 So what JetGPT gave me is short-range ballistic missiles could be between 60 and 90 missiles fueled by those three flights from China. Yeah. But the medium ranges are the ones that are doing the real damage on the Israelis. It says 24 to 36, but of course then he made the point
Starting point is 00:31:23 they can reduce the warhead yield so they can get more flight time really play with it does it surprise you that this story got missed by so many people given all the implications that there are for that uh yeah i i mean people were making jokes about the literally flew under the radar well there's that there's that – let me pull that one back up so I can grab it. This image of the single UAE flight going over Iran that everybody was sharing, nobody thought to share the one of the three Chinese cargo planes going into Iran and then taking off and going to Europe. Now, the question is, why would they allow them to then come into Europe?
Starting point is 00:32:01 That's a crazy thing. I mean, I guess what do you do? China's supplying Iran with something. Did they go to Europe? They said they were going to go to Luxembourg, but then they never showed up. Is that what it said? Yeah, I think so. Oh, okay. Interesting. They faked Luxembourg. I thought
Starting point is 00:32:18 it said... Meaning that the plane is still there? Or that it just veered, it turned around? It just went, instead of going to Luxembourg, it went to Iran. Is that? I think that's what it said. Flight plans indicated a final destination of Luxembourg,
Starting point is 00:32:32 but the aircraft appeared to have never flown near European skies. Oh, okay. I was assuming that meant past tense. Yeah. Like, they had never been to Europe before. I see what it's actually saying. My mistake.
Starting point is 00:32:43 I don't know if, like, flight plans tell you the route that they intend to. My mistake. I don't know if flight plans tell you the route that they intend to take. I don't know if they generally would say we're going to Luxembourg via Tehran, but... I didn't realize these things could carry 120 tons. They're big.
Starting point is 00:32:59 Yeah, that's 747s. Yeah. Yo, that's wild. So they say Cargo Lux, the Luxembourg-based company that operated the planes, said its flights did not utilize Iranian airspace, but the firm did not respond to questions about what they were carrying. Cargo manifests are not considered a matter of public record, and though any dangerous goods or special loads have to be declared to the operator and handling agents, information provided could be inaccurate or misleading.
Starting point is 00:33:24 China has tried before to send weapons disguised as commercial goods, labeling drone components as wind turbine parts, or into shipments intercepted by European authorities. Technically, they are wind turbines. Indeed. It does raise an interesting question about what China will do. Let's say things get really desperate for the Iranians. What will China do?
Starting point is 00:33:43 I don't think it'll intervene militarily, but will it take some kind of steps to bolster the Iranians? I don't know. I don't know what those would be. It said that Iran was their largest energy provider, right? Two million barrels per day. Who is their second largest?
Starting point is 00:33:59 Let's pull a list. Probably Saudi Arabia. Because then the question is, like, what would you do to protect the number one source of energy for your country right it's uh it's as much a strategic relationship as it is um an economic they benefit from the fact that iran gives them uh gives them oil at very cheap prices but it also helps them because iran is the most disruptive actor in the region and the United States has no influence over it. So if anyone in the region, if our allies want help with Iran,
Starting point is 00:34:33 they're inclined to go to Beijing. Does it say, uh, this doesn't say that Ron is their biggest says, uh, Saudi Aramco, uh, Saudi Arabia, Ross, Neft, Russia, is their biggest. It says Saudi Aramco. Saudi Arabia.
Starting point is 00:34:49 Ross Neft, Russia. It makes sense that Russia would be a bigger energy provider because they just call it a cold... The foreign policy guys call Russia like a cold gas station. Yeah. It's what they sell. They sell energy. Exxon Mobil provides a lot to China as well. Shell.
Starting point is 00:35:03 Woodside Energy. Yeah, I don't know. They said Iran is one of their top energy partners, one of their key energy suppliers, whatever that means. They buy from everybody. Yeah. That's interesting. I wonder how much of a threat a fractured and shattered Iran would be to the region, though,
Starting point is 00:35:21 and how much China is concerned about it. Concerned, very concerned. If Iran were to fracture, of course, they'd lose an ally because it's China, Russia, Iran, North Korea against us and our allies. But if Iran were to actually fracture, I think the big winner in the game will be Turkey. Because one third of all Iranians are Turks. Interesting. And so it will change the ethno... the ethnic
Starting point is 00:35:54 composition of Iran. It could actually break it up, but more than likely I think there would just be an Iran that had a more Turkic flavor to it. People need to understand the region. And a lot of people don't even know where Iraq and Afghanistan are.
Starting point is 00:36:14 But you can see Iran borders Turkey. And the whole northeast quadrant of Iran is Turkish-speaking, Azerbaijani-Turkish-speaking. Very interesting. So Turkey and Azerbaijan are allies. And there's Kurds up there. Don't forget about the Kurds. There's Kurds there too.
Starting point is 00:36:33 But the overwhelming population, and the Kurds are down a little bit, closer toward Iraq. Up in the northeast quadrant, it's overwhelmingly Azerbaijani Turks. And Turkey and Azerbaijan are allies. So you'd have a Turkic population in Iran that would have strong allies right across the border that could help them out.
Starting point is 00:36:58 So that's going to happen, I think, anyway, one way or another. I don't mean that Iran is going to crack up. I mean the ethnic mix in Iran is going to happen, I think, anyway, one way or another. I don't mean that Iran is going to crack up. I mean the ethnic mix in Iran is going to shift. And it's going to shift to the advantage of the Turks. You know, it's such a strange coincidence how, you know, Iraq and Afghanistan, these two countries we just had to invade, just so happened to surround Iran. They did.
Starting point is 00:37:22 But, but, you say it like that they when when we went into iraq and afghanistan we we took out the enemies of the iranians yeah saddam saddam hussein and the taliban were were were both hostile to iran but you know as far as iran's concerned they were just replaced by someone else hostile to iran yes I'm not sure the equation was made better. No, that's, well, that's the way some of them saw it. But I think
Starting point is 00:37:54 that they found this pretty easy to play. Yeah. I know that... The Iranians? Yeah. And that's how I see it. I think that we've... This is the toughest we've ever been with iran and it's not us i mean the other day donald trump said or yesterday that i control or we we we control the skies over iran but we're we're not doing that the the israelis are that
Starting point is 00:38:19 crew said we're striking iran we're yeah people are saying that freudian slip yeah or the royal we yeah it's our allies that are engaged Or the royal we. It's our allies that are engaged in this with our interests. It's our alliance. How harmful is that to Trump at home now with polling saying that people are in that CNN reporting
Starting point is 00:38:38 that people are in support of what he's doing. Maybe I'm just kind of fractured and living online but the anti-war right now, the anti-war right has a problem with this and it's causing problems. It's causing discontent. So in my opinion, it is there's a significant sliver of the anti-war and anti-Israel right that don't want Trump to do any of this. The majority of people that would consider israel an ally they're fine as long as the u.s doesn't actually invade that's the problem that's like that's where we're at now
Starting point is 00:39:11 yeah airstrike they're they're mostly fine with airstrikes if i understand correctly and this is from the polls that i've seen but they don't want to see americans on the ground and i think that just so long as we don't end up with a situation of Americans on the ground fighting in Iran, I think that this will be a total non-issue just so long as it doesn't turn into the U.S. trying to go in and change the— I totally agree with you. Yeah. 100%. Do you think they end up with boots on the ground?
Starting point is 00:39:37 No. No? No, because— Although—no, go ahead. No, no, I'm far more interested in what you've got to say. You said they, you mean Americans? Yes. Yeah, no, I don't think so.
Starting point is 00:39:52 But there's a significant chance that the Israelis will go in. If Trump decides not to... It's one of the reasons why I think Trump will decide to bomb. Because if the israelis are going to destroy ford oh and and if if we don't destroy it with the with the bunker busters then they have to go in on the ground but then that creates dynamics that could end up being more destabilizing than if we just went in with the with the bunker busters so we're going to have planes over around like american planes yeah and if an american plane gets shot down
Starting point is 00:40:30 is that perceived differently than in the eyes in the eyes of the american people if it does that change things entirely if an american plane gets brought down are they going to look at it differently than if we were to send boots on the ground yeah i think so don't you yeah i do i just i'm i'm just curious about it because like i i can only go through like what my you know what it looks like reflected back at me and most of the people that i interact with are kind of given the platform that trump ran on um no wars in his first term peace through diplomacy you know uh foreign policy through diplomacy and what you're seeing right now one of the questions that i had was like, would he have handled this differently if he was in a first term and seeking a second term?
Starting point is 00:41:09 Remember in his first term when he struck Soleimani and he said to take out ISIS. So those are two things that really kind of cast him as credible when he makes a use of forced threat. reliable when he makes a use of force threat and i think that this particular issue he will in the future use this as the the evidence that he's willing to use he's still willing to use force and because of how powerful the united states military is you know that comes with that threat comes with real danger um But I think that he will not, he'll still try to avoid using force and he's going to use this as his quote unquote Trump card
Starting point is 00:41:50 to be like, ah, you don't know, maybe I will. I'm crazy like that. It's a credibility enhancer if he does it. Yeah. Yeah. Let's jump to the story from the AP. Pentagon senior advisor Dan Caldwell ousted during investigation into leaks.
Starting point is 00:42:05 This is crazy. Oh, wait, this is an old story. How did we get this into the mix? I don't know. This is an old story. Let's jump to the next story. I don't know. Someone put that in the mix, and then I read it.
Starting point is 00:42:14 I'm basically Ron Burgundy. I'll read whatever's in the prompter. We got this story from Times Now News. J.D. Vance was suspended minutes after joining Blue Sky. Here's why. They say Vice President J.D. Vance's Blue Sky account was suspended within minutes of him joining the platform. His post criticized medical treatments for trans youth and claimed pharmaceutical influence over health care decisions. His account has now been reinst out. Let me see if I can pull up his tweets on the matter. His ex-post on the blue sky. He wrote, Hello, blue sky.
Starting point is 00:42:52 I've been told this app has become the place to go for common sense political discussion and analysis. So I'm thrilled to be here to engage with all of you. He then posted a series of posts. To that end, I found Justice Thomas' concurrence on the medical care for transgender youth quite illuminating. He argues that many of our so-called experts have used bad arguments and substandard science to push experimental therapies on our youth. I might add that many of those scientists are receiving substantial resources from big pharma to push these medicines on kids. What do you think? And they blocked him.
Starting point is 00:43:23 After the story went viral, they brought him back. But what's funny is that Blue Sky was supposed to be, I remember talking to Jack Dorsey personally about this. He was like, look, we're going to make this Blue Sky crypto blockchain thing. That way everybody will be able to speak freely. And now it is the most violent and censorious platform that exists. It is a literal hive of scum and villainy twitter 2018 like trapped in a time loop yeah on a separate app empowered to to police each other and themselves it was that way almost
Starting point is 00:43:54 instantly from the moment it went live it was that way especially once the election happened it got way worse yeah people were getting suspended immediately for saying you know not particularly uh racy stuff at all well then a lot of the people like a lot of celebrities will end up say they'll make a big show of leaving x and going over to blue sky and then they come back to x or then they come back to x because you can't actually have a discussion on blue sky with anyone one of my favorite things one of my favorite things about that is when they have their name on X's, blah, blah, blah, at BSky, blah, blah, blah. And it's like they're making sure that you know I also have a Blue Sky account. Not that anyone on X is going to go to Blue Sky to find them.
Starting point is 00:44:36 The people on Blue Sky that are interested in what they have to say are probably already following them. But, yeah, I love the fact that they're just like, I'm on Blue Sky, you should follow me there. And everyone on X is like, no, that place is horrible. It's a great place to go to mine content when people are angry at stuff. If you do work like we do, it's a fantastic platform. It is the literal salt mines where you go to mine salt. Remind me of Tumblr.
Starting point is 00:45:00 Almost exactly like Tumblr. Yes, absolutely. That's where it all went wrong. Tumblr. Just, absolutely. That's where it all went wrong. Tumblr. Just like every conservative attempt at making some alternative Twitter, it just didn't work. That's why Elon just bought it. Not everybody has that option, right? But I think what we end up seeing from platforms like Blue Sky is that that's a cult.
Starting point is 00:45:23 Remember, Blue Sky ran Jack off because Jack Dorsey, that didn't mean to come on. Because he had his mini libertarian phase for a while. Yeah, and he was thinking that he was like, oh, Blue Sky is going to be like this, blah, blah, blah. And they literally ran him off. They're like, get out of here, Jack Dorsey, you're a Nazi. Proves that he doesn't understand the people that he courted all that well.
Starting point is 00:45:44 I mean, maybe he just thinks that he doesn't understand the people that he courted i mean he maybe he just thinks that he's got magical powers he can this time it'll work he does kind of have that look about him just throw apps at it throw apps at it until they until one finally sticks it without uh turning into a police is this held in the same regard like that you can't ban a public official on x wasn't that a thing for a while like you weren that you can't ban a public official on X? Wasn't that a thing for a while? Like you weren't, you can't ban the profile of a public official because the public, the public has the right to engage with them.
Starting point is 00:46:11 You can still ban them. Yep. Like I thought that they banned Trump because he was no longer in office. No, it was a big issue when Laura Loomer was running for office and they banned her on all these platforms. And it's like, you're giving free airtime to her political rival while blocking
Starting point is 00:46:25 that that's crazy that these companies are doing that yeah this guy invites it i guess i mean a lot of people have kind of fallen by the wayside on that because it seems like the tech bros have kind of tried to cozy up to the right since trump came back to office right but it doesn't mean that you know next election cycle comes around and they lose that they won't go right back to the way they were before yeah i suppose the uh the bigger question is how do you break people out of the cult as like like you yourself like how do you as a person do it to somebody else i've never rhetorical you and you personally brett dasvick it's always to me but i think you have to do it yourself. You cannot be led to that information
Starting point is 00:47:07 by yourself because when somebody leads you to that information, your hackles are up and somebody's already... Especially if you're trying to tell them that something they believe for any length of time is wrong, they're automatically going to be combative with you. The best thing that a person can do is go seek new information on their own but most people don't go and do that. I would argue
Starting point is 00:47:23 that most people that shift politically probably get there because maybe somebody showed them one thing one time, they didn't think much of it, but they went on that journey themselves and they had to get to that information themselves. They couldn't be led there by another person. It feels like a fool's errand to try. I think this characteristic is largely what defines what we would call the left or liberals in that they're not looking for stats. They're not trying to figure out what's actually going on. They tend just to agree with whatever the other part of the crowd agrees with. And so you end up with violent echo chambers that ban the vice president when he
Starting point is 00:48:00 cordially and politely brought up a major Supreme Court ruling. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, the same thing comes true when you go look at the protests and stuff like that. Call and response. You're not allowed to actually go and have a discussion with them because they understand that most of the time their arguments fall flat when you try to engage with someone honestly and you have a different viewpoint. Yo, it is wild.
Starting point is 00:48:20 The protests I've been to, you walk up. Like, I'm at one of these protests and these people have no idea, this is years ago, let's go back 10 years. You walk up to some guy, and you'll just say, hey man, how's it going? And he'll be like, what's up? And he'll be like, can I ask some questions? Someone will immediately run up to you and go, no, no, no, no, no, stop, stop, stop, stop talking. And I was in
Starting point is 00:48:37 San Bernardino, and there were Trump supporters on one side and Antifa and Farnsworth on the other. And I walked over to the far left side and people were standing around and I was like, hey, how's it going? You guys want to tell me what the protest is about? Immediately a woman ran up and started chanting, mic check, mic check.
Starting point is 00:48:53 They want to make sure you cannot get information to them. That mic check stuff is insane. How they just sit there and just start repeating the things that each other said. It's craziness. What is your answer to your question how do you break people from the cult yeah i don't i i don't know if there's a classically liberal or traditionally liberal way to do it um perhaps i i don't know i i don't know if there's a way mission here? I mean, largely the mission is just to kind of break down what's going on in the world and try and discuss it with the most accuracy possible and then our opinions on the matter.
Starting point is 00:49:33 The internet as it is right now, it's like everything is so algorithmically programmed that the people that want this different set of information, albeit maybe less accurate, are going to go find it wherever they go because their computer, their phone is telling them this is what you like looking at. So it's going to feed you more of the same thing. There's no good answer. I mean, I can say based on the facts of the case, it is clear. Whatever it is that is our side, the moderate to like right-leaning side, has a bias in reality. Reality has a right-wing bias, as I would describe it. And the left does not. The problem is both sides are saying the exact same thing.
Starting point is 00:50:17 The left says people on the right are lying and making things up and it's all fake news and it's a cult. And then we are saying quite similarly about them. The fact is we are correct, however. And the easiest way to break that down is the right is a disparate hodgepodge group of random ideologies. Look at what's going on right now with Iran and Israel. There's people on all sides of the right arguing about what's going on and whether it's the right thing to do.
Starting point is 00:50:44 And the cultists are trying to discredit the anti-war side, which is the weirdest thing. So two great examples. Jon Stewart mocked Steve Bannon, Marjorie Taylor Greene, Jack Posobiec, and Charlie Kirk, who are all anti-intervention with the war in Iran. Why? Jon Stewart says, well, credit where credit is due. You know, we shouldn't engage in these protracted quack-myers in the Middle East, but hold on there, and then
Starting point is 00:51:10 mocked and belittled them. That serves only to reinforce the psychological drive of the cult. These people are bad. Don't listen to them. Then Jon Stewart comes out and goes, you know, I don't like war, but if you actually were listening to, say,
Starting point is 00:51:27 Jack Posobiec, or Steve Bannon is a better example, he's going to be like, no war, no, no, no, never. Jon Stewart will say, no war, no war. Wait a minute, what's that? They attacked who? Well, now we have no choice. Sam Seder is another example. He made a video attacking me, calling my my my anti-intervention stance a grift. For what purpose? There are people who are Trump supporters who were tweeting up no new wars under Trump vote for Trump. And now that Trump is talking about a strike in Iran, they're saying, I trust my president. And it's like, go after the hypocrites.rites yeah but the point is discredit so they're not i think the issue largely is that these these liberals they're very pro-war and like we saw in the 2000s the goal of the media narrative will be to convince people why war is necessary
Starting point is 00:52:17 if that's going to be the plan of the united states so attack anybody who is staunchly opposed to it and then play the moderate voice that reluctantly says, I guess we have to go to war. What do you think the, where's the source of the power of what you're calling the cultists? So, it seems to me that it's more than just control of the internet. There's a whole ecosystem and an economic system built around it, starting with the universities. I have my own view. I have my own view. I mean, I would say that what we're up against is progressivism.
Starting point is 00:53:00 It's an ideology. Yeah. And even a theology. Yeah. But not everyone's going to see the theology, so let's just call it an ideology. But it's the entire ideology of all the universities. Big business has gone in for it, not because it's really sincere about it, but because it thinks it's the... They figure that they won't...
Starting point is 00:53:21 That the right will be with them automatically, and they can buy the left with some wokeness. Yeah, they did that with – after Occupy Wall Street, they had to shift their business model, what they call rainbow capitalism. Right. Yeah, they shift their business model and they thought there would be nothing to pay for that. The conservatives would never hold them account for that. But so if you want to break the cult, it has to be more than just an informational effort, right? There has to be an economic effort as well. I'm asking. So where do you believe the power is?
Starting point is 00:53:54 Well, so it's – look at it this way. If you were to take all of the political factions, put them in a big circle, you get a yin-yang. There's light and there's dark, and within lightness there is darkness when darkness there is light the the power base of the liberal structures it's it's it's it's an amorphous group of individuals and it's it's a murmuration by moving together they become a powerful force similarly to what the right is but the right is a bit more disparate on the right you have you have nodes of different ideologies that have moved together because of the insanity of the left. They've actually cost themselves a good amount of their political power. Right now, what we're seeing is Democrats staging arrests, like intentionally trying to get arrested because they have no policies to campaign on.
Starting point is 00:54:38 So they just attack cops. We've seen this three times now, three times now. Democrats have attacked cops getting arrested. And I think what happened was the first ICE arrests we saw with McIver and Baraka, this was an accident. They got into a fight with cops, got arrested, saw something and said, hey, that worked. Then Padilla says, I'm going to play. He charges in, screaming, gets thrown to the ground. Then you get, was it Lander in New York? He's like, let's go. And then and Trump won't charge them.
Starting point is 00:55:10 I think that's a large component of the problem. The Trump DOJ did go after McIver. But there is my understanding right now could be wrong. They're not charging Padilla and they're not charging Lander. They dropped the charges. Of course not. They need to go after him. Just throw the book at him. So one of the issues I would say right now is there are a lot of personalities on social media that produce fake news intentionally. This has been the case for some time. There was a period during the first Trump cycle where there were websites that were literally writing fake news. These were not Trump supporters, but they were trying to manipulate Trump supporters to get clicks, largely boomers. And they would write one story that went really viral, I remember, was
Starting point is 00:55:53 ambulance blocked by far left protesters on highway, woman dies. And it was two guys that were in, I think like Tempe, that would just make up fake stories, put them on their website, post them to Facebook and then get millions of views because it was confirmation bias. And Facebook eventually shut this down and said, you can't do this. The issue is YouTube never did. YouTube has shut down some stuff, but largely what we've seen from the left is they just adapted to how they do the fake news. So now you have people on YouTube that will produce to the two to hundreds of thousands of views fake news by pulling Trump out of context. Daily Daily shows a great example. They actually in their in their criticism of Bannon connected two different sentences before they were completed and cut them together to make a fake statement from Bannon. That's unreal. before they were completed, and cut them together to make a fake statement from Bannon.
Starting point is 00:56:45 That's unreal. So that they could, it was nuts, because Bannon didn't say the thing they claimed he said. They made a fake quote up, and this is going to be on YouTube, and it's going to get hundreds of thousands of views, and YouTube lets it happen. But here's the question. Should YouTube be in the game of taking those things down? That's tough. Because if you say that YouTube should have the power to cens those things down? That's tough. Because if you say that YouTube should have the power to censor what they think is fake news,
Starting point is 00:57:12 they will just start getting rid of people on the right as they were doing before. Then what's the other response? Should the right just do the same thing the left is doing? Welcome to hell, I guess. Yeah. I mean, wouldn't the proper course of action there be for Bannon to sue? You can't sue for it. You can't sue for it. You can't sue for it. So the issue is they're a comedy show that no one would expect to believe is true.
Starting point is 00:57:31 Now, what The Daily Show and other shows like it do is they masquerade as mocking the truth. They say the facts are correct and now we're going to insult them for it. That's what the average person thinks it is. What it actually is, is we've fabricated a set of events that we can make fun of for your entertainment. But most people don't realize that. My idea is we're working on a project. We're just going to make fake videos of Jon Stewart and other liberals saying really off-putting things because it's comedy. And we're going to call it it's comedy. And we're going to call it comedy sketch news. And we're going to show videos of them saying it. And it's
Starting point is 00:58:09 going to be funny. Now, here's the issue. I've talked, I was talking to my team and I was like, let's make a video where, you know, Jon Stewart will use AI. We'll make it look as real as we can. And then we'll call it comedy sketch news. You tell it's comedy and then i will say i can't believe john stewart would say something so off-putting and offensive and honestly gross can you believe it i don't think anyone could believe it but there's the video obviously the implication being yeah it's real but i literally said i could not believe that it was real you can't sue me, right? But what happens then? If we put a video
Starting point is 00:58:48 like that out, someone will clip out the fake video of Jon Stewart, put it on X, put it on Instagram, and there you go. Jon Stewart just said whatever it was. And it'll be permanent and forever. That's what The Daily Show does to all of us and everybody else, but no one on the right wants to do it to them.
Starting point is 00:59:04 And so you wonder why it is the left believes psychotic nonsense. This is the world they live in. In fact, I've got proof. Let's jump to this beautiful tweet from crazy Eric Swalwell. Trump's America. For those just tuning in, I was just explaining how the left media is basically fiction. We were talking about it yesterday that liberals base their view of reality on movies and TV shows. A great example is what liberals think suppressors do. They think you get a suppressor and it goes pew, pew, pew. Pew, pew. Yeah, no, anybody who's fired a gun knows it certainly does not do that.
Starting point is 00:59:41 What happens? They ban them. They put them on the NFA. Take a look at this video that Eric Swalwell posted of Trump's America. I had a really good time today. Yeah, me too. I really like what you're doing. She's coming with us. What are you talking about? Who are you? I'm your Republican congressman. Now that we're in charge, we're rounding up illegals. She was born here. She's a citizen. I don't care.
Starting point is 01:00:05 She looks like one of them. But don't worry. When she's in prison in El Salvador, she'll have lots of company. Is the implication that he's going to rape her? When he like leans up to her face and says that? Yeah, that's probably what it is. And then says the homegrowns are next. Donald Trump, April 14th, 2025.
Starting point is 01:00:26 This is the psychotic and deranged world liberals live in because they can't tell the difference between. And not obviously the pundits are going to be like, of course, we know it's a skit. It's to make a point. But many of the older liberals, people I know think this is real. They like the example that I love to use. Hassan Piker did not know that Abrego Garcia was from El Salvador. This is a guy who's got one of the top streams in the world
Starting point is 01:00:51 who genuinely thought Trump arrested an American citizen and sent him to El Salvador. And that's what they say in this video. How do you break this so that liberals stop getting fed these lies? You can't in that situation like the the funniest thing about that one was is like you have to actually show them side by side the amount of headlines that suspiciously use the phrase maryland man which makes no sense it's like when you would
Starting point is 01:01:14 look at the it's construction worker now yes uh it's like when you look at the videos that were made by news networks during during covid which were all saying literally the exact same thing on their nightly news broadcasts and that's when you're trying to explain to them what corporate press is like, what these, um, like these group chats with all of these producers are like to make sure that everybody falls in line. That's a level of like taking ownership of your own life experience and how you get information that is unique to somebody who actually cares about these things beyond just the idea that they might be that they're right and that the other side is evil you have to approach it from the side of actually wanting to get information because you think it affects you in the world which would lead you down a path to the idea that some things that you
Starting point is 01:01:58 believe or that you've been told are wrong but that means it's a lot of work and for the most part what you were saying earlier like where does the power come from? I think when the average everyday American is busy, and they've got stuff to do, they for decades have been trained to believe that the talking head on television, the guy wearing the suit is going to tell them the accurate information, because that's a trust in the institutions that's been instilled in them since they were young. That's why the boomers are more likely to fall for that stuff now than younger generations who are out seeking their information elsewhere. Now, that doesn't mean that they don't fall victim to it as well in the age of TikTok, but it does mean that one generation specifically is more prone to that. And like
Starting point is 01:02:39 you mentioned earlier, the colleges, the institutions, it's been reinforced to them at every level. But there is a sense that you have to be kind of your own arbiter for how to get your information that I think precludes a lot of what's going on in the left. The right doesn't make videos like this. Conservatives have traditionally insulted and mocked artists. And it's only recently they've kind of chilled out on doing this and then started to actually come up in this space. Daily Wire did a pretty good job.
Starting point is 01:03:08 I don't know if they're going to continue it. Angel Studios does a really great job with their films. Daily Wire is not going to continue it? Well, I don't know if they are. Are they making the movies? Yeah, it seems like there's a big shakeup over the Daily Wire, and so they've changed things around. It's a hard path to continue because I tend to be critical of those types of projects because as left-leaning as most artists in Hollywood are,
Starting point is 01:03:33 at least it used to be the case that they started from a place of being an artist first and then their views kind of trickled into the art that they were making. Whereas when the right tries to make art simply for the sake of making the political opposite, it rarely turns out well. Yeah, right-wing art is... Consciously, right-wing art is not very good art. And I'm not talking about Tolkien. I'm not talking about Lord of the Rings. I'm talking about the stuff that is made now.
Starting point is 01:03:59 Well, I guess to be fair, it's all right-wing art these days. Harry Potter is right-wing, you know? Tolkien is right-wing. Well, I mean... Anything that has winners and losers in's all right-wing art these days. Harry Potter is right-wing. You know? Tolkien is right-wing. Well, I mean... Anything that has winners and losers in it is right-wing. Anything that has hierarchy that's not, you know, smashed is right-wing. I mean, literally everything nowadays is right-wing,
Starting point is 01:04:17 except for, like... I don't know. I just saw Joe Biden hanging out with Alan Richson from Reacher. Oh, really? Yeah, he showed up on set. It did look like a photo where Biden wandered onto the set. He looks completely clueless as to what's going on. Is Hunter Biden going to be in season three of Reacher?
Starting point is 01:04:35 Season four. I don't think he'll show up. That'd be hilarious if he did. They're filming season four? Yes. Season three is out? Season three is out. Really?
Starting point is 01:04:42 Like six months ago. Oh, wow. I didn't even see season two yeah season one's the best of them okay that's probably why you guys don't feel that things got better since the Trump election oh yeah Elon Musk took over X uh it's it's definitely got better I mean people need to recognize just how much better things have gotten I think it's important not to always be so black pilled but the gender issue has largely inverted.
Starting point is 01:05:08 Retard is back. Yeah. Hey, look, it is a useful word. It has a meaning totally separate from any kind of insult, and it is a useful word. Well, it's market. It's competition. When Elon bought Twitter,
Starting point is 01:05:26 turned it into X, and said, we're going to bring back a bunch of people, he changed the threshold. So what had happened was everybody was racing to the bottom. If you were on Facebook, you said a naughty word,
Starting point is 01:05:36 you'd get banned. YouTube would then freak out and be like, well, we don't want to host a person saying naughty words, so we'll ban him too. Elon said, I'll bring him back.
Starting point is 01:05:44 Then creators started saying, I guess I'm going to focus too. Elon said, I'll bring him back. Then creators started saying, I guess I'm going to focus my efforts on X where I can build a following and maintain my business. Other networks then said, wait, wait, wait, don't leave, don't leave, don't leave. So I wonder about YouTube in this regard because Rumble has actually done a big jab at YouTube. Rumble has several of the top 10. I think when it comes to news, Rumble's got all of them. Let me check, actually.
Starting point is 01:06:10 Let's do our latest update. As in the biggest news shows? Livestreams. Livestreams, yeah. Yeah, so right now in the top 10, Rumble has two of the top 10 live streams in the country of all streams. That's Tim Castaero and Steven Crowder.
Starting point is 01:06:30 And then in the top 25, they've got, let's see, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10. 10 of the top 25 are Rumble. But if we do news, let's go to news rumble's got in the top 10 1 2 3 4 5 6 60 percent of the uh top of the biggest live streams in news in the u.s are on rumble that is because youtube intentionally banned news channels for a long time if you're talking news you were out they intentionally prop up things that are not news. And the worst thing is, this is where I say, like, we're in trouble. I think Miss Rachel is one of the most demonic, evil things on the internet.
Starting point is 01:07:14 Cocomelon as well. And YouTube doesn't care. Humans are incredibly susceptible to gutting ourselves and destroying ourselves with this psychotic content. I'm an old man. I don't know what Cocoa Melon and Rachel are. So, Ritz Rachel is a really great example. I think she is absolutely, and this is professional. I don't know her personally.
Starting point is 01:07:40 Personally, she'd be very nice. Professionally, I think she should delete her channel and she should stop doing what she's doing. It's disgusting. She makes videos where the thumbnail will have like a minute count in the top right. It'll say like 30 minutes, 40 minutes, an hour. Parents then take an iPad, say, I got to do 40 minutes to do the laundry. They'll find a video, hit it, put it in front of their baby and leave. It is demonic.
Starting point is 01:08:06 It is going to fry the brains of these kids. It is frying their brains. And it is terrifying. She doesn't care. She's a millionaire. She makes tons of money. She's going to keep justifying what she does. Cocomelon is not too different.
Starting point is 01:08:18 Parents turn on these tablets, put it in front of their baby and leave. And they don't understand. They don't get it. The system that we are building with social media is going to create a generation of retards. Broken children. Yep. I drugged my kids until they were 18.
Starting point is 01:08:36 Drugged them? It didn't seem to harm them, really. They're doing fine. How old are they now? 21 and 25. I would... I'm sorry, 21 and 25. I would... I'm sorry, 22 and 25. I'm going to get in trouble for that.
Starting point is 01:08:50 I would partially. But you mean like medicated with like ADHD meds or stuff like that or like doctor prescribed? Johnny Walker. Gave your kids booze when they were children? The thing is, I would say that when you look at the generational trends, I think it's pretty obvious to see the negative impacts of everything that the
Starting point is 01:09:11 millennials were given as children. And so I'm not going to have any of that for my daughter. And you take a look now at what's going on with the algorithms, and I think it is going to be in the next 10 or 15 years, mark my words. Clip this segment right now.
Starting point is 01:09:29 Take it. Post it. Store it. And just wait. 2018 was Elsa Gate 1. Okay, that's seven years ago. Give it 11 more years and you are going to see the most psychotic generation imaginable. Children
Starting point is 01:09:48 who in their most important formative years were not watching adults fix cars or pick up the laundry. They were watching Spider-Man inject pregnant Elsa with a syringe for hours a day as babies. The Elsagate stuff
Starting point is 01:10:04 wasn't just Elsa running around getting stabbed by Joker with Spider-Man. It devolved into children eating feces and drinking out of urinals and other grotesque things. There were Peppa Pig videos of Peppa Pig getting
Starting point is 01:10:19 run over by cars and mutilated and then eaten. Just psychotic deranged things. And this was around 2018 on YouTube. And they said, whoa, okay, this algorithmically generated stuff being fed to kids is bad. Take out the weird gore and the eating of feces
Starting point is 01:10:35 and now it's fine, which it's not. Parents were putting tablets in front of their kids and pressing play. And YouTube would start with something like a nursery rhyme, but then autoplay would eventually bring them to Peppa Pig eating feces. And their babies are watching this. Two-year-olds are watching this.
Starting point is 01:10:54 The two-year-olds would mash the screen, and all the comments were gibberish. People started to realize, this is babies just smacking the iPad. YouTube said, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. As long as it's not weird, it's fine to fry their brains. So YouTube actually promotes and allows this to the tunes of hundreds of millions of views. 10 years from now, 20 years from now, we are going to have a generation. And let me tell you this. We're already seeing the effects.
Starting point is 01:11:24 You combine this with the covid lockdowns we've got we've got kids who are like nine years old who can't read and uh having their most like consistent conversations with ai now yep um and drawing actual emotional responses from people when they can't have those conversations with real humans i would you know you know who won't have this problem? China. China. Nope. My hope is that as Gen Z grows up and once they have
Starting point is 01:11:52 kids, I guess they're having kids now, but the point being that growing up with technology the way they have is that they are more acutely aware of how much damage it can do and the hope would be that when they start having kids that they do not let their kids have access I think that's Gen Z
Starting point is 01:12:07 what do you mean? Gen Z when these things were coming to fruition Gen Z was of the age to recognize how insane it was Gen Alpha was not so what we're seeing now is Gen Z turning away from this becoming more religious because that's what I mean like when Gen
Starting point is 01:12:23 like so Gen Alpha is going to be a bunch of lunatics. Yeah, like the hope would be that the generation after, those generation betas are going to have to hopefully. Yeah. Are they changing it? No, it's literally beta. Is it? Yeah, pretty sure it was.
Starting point is 01:12:41 Let's find out. Is it the? Generation Bravo oh I think oh okay you're right it's an alternative to Generation Beta yeah see they didn't
Starting point is 01:12:50 want to get stuck with the label yeah nobody nobody wants to be Beta well the thing is by the time they're old enough to understand it
Starting point is 01:12:58 like that term won't be in fashion anymore it's so dumb because they don't mean they mean the same thing yeah Beta didn't Beta turned into a bad thing
Starting point is 01:13:06 because you're like, you're a beta. Yeah. The funny thing is anybody who knows about the social hierarchy of males knows that beta was actually a positive thing. The idea was that the alpha is the leader, the betas are the lieutenants, and then you have beneath that like the delta, which is the average run-of-the-mill guy,
Starting point is 01:13:21 and it was the gamma and omega males that were considered the creepy incel losers. But now Beta just means incel loser, I guess. It's weird because if you're Delta in America, you're one of the most dangerous people in the world. Indeed. Let's jump to the story from CNN. Supreme Court upholds Tennessee's ban on gender-affirming care for trans youths.
Starting point is 01:13:41 This is what J.D. Vance was talking about when he got banned temporarily from Blue Sky. That's insane. They say the 6-3 decision by a conservative majority is a major blow to the transgender community and its advocates at a critical time. Since 2020, Republican-led
Starting point is 01:13:58 states around the country have passed a wave of laws regulating the lives of trans Americans with a particular focus on minors. And President Trump, who ran for re-election in part by ending the transgender lunacy, has taken several steps intended to roll back gains made by that community. So they say roughly half the states have similar bans. I believe this is the first step, maybe not the first, but we are very close to a nationwide ban. I think it's entirely possible that the Supreme Court could ban it outright. No more mutilation of children. I like that. The idea that we have to continue to
Starting point is 01:14:34 make believe that this is possible while they're literally ruining the lives of children is insane. There is no such thing as a trans child. I don't care what anyone says. This is absolute insanity. And the Supreme Court got this right. The fact that there were three justices that were on the wrong side of this shows how useless they are as justices. Yeah, that's about all I got on this. So in this context,
Starting point is 01:15:06 I want to explain to you what transgender is while stepping out of the political space. I'd like to pull this up here. This is r slash reality shifting. Serge just said, oh no. Reality shifting is a community
Starting point is 01:15:21 of people online who believe they have the ability to transport their consciousness into an alternate reality. The things they believe get dangerous. In one of the posts on Reddit, they say when you die in your current reality, don't worry. You don't die. Your consciousness will just shift to another reality. The TikToks on this are crazy. And they're going massively viral.
Starting point is 01:15:44 So reality shifting TikToks are where they crazy. And they're going massively viral. So reality shifting TikToks are where they're more viral, of course. And you may be saying, what does that have to do with transgender? Let me explain. Obviously, you know nobody can transport their consciousness to another reality.
Starting point is 01:16:00 Maybe if we first discover that parallel realities exist through science, and then build a machine where you can literally do it, maybe that's possible. But the idea that you can lock yourself in a closet, close your eyes and go, it's going to send you to a faraway universe. That's called imagination, not reality shifting. So what happens is 15 year olds go online. They hate their life. They hate school. They're going through puberty. They're awkward, whatever it may be, depressed, angry. And they
Starting point is 01:16:33 say, why does my life suck? Well, guess what? Someone's got the answer for you. And it is that you're in the wrong reality. Did you know this? You are trapped in the wrong reality. You need only close your eyes and focus and believe the things we tell you and you can shift into the correct reality. You're trans reality, unfortunately. That's right. Now, this sounds insane. And we can tell it's insane. The gender thing is no different. The only problem, liberals have adopted it as if it were true. We are only a few years away from stuff like this being entered into legislation where you end up with CNN saying President Vance is opposed to reality shifters and reality-shifting care. We are years away, if this is the trend, where doctors providing reality-shifting care will bring you to a hospital bed and put you in an induced coma so you can transport to your desired reality, like in the show The OA. Canada will do this for you. Yeah, they'll just kill you.
Starting point is 01:17:40 Yes. So this is actually, this is the premise of the OA, right? Like you die and then you transport to an alternate reality. And so people think, this is literally a TV show that children think are real, think is real. And there's even talk of self-harm in this because it transports you to another reality. The way they describe it is psychotic. They say things like, when you close your eyes, you can temporarily enter the first, you go into the void state where you're in blackness, and then you'll
Starting point is 01:18:10 emerge in a desired reality only temporarily as a dream walker, unless you die. That's what they think. Now, again, the point is trans is the same. A teenager who's awkward, who feels depressed, is weird, goes on the internet and they say, maybe you're a girl. And the little boy's like, what is that? And like, transgender. Look. What we learned from, we had Helena Kirshner on the show. She said what happened was she goes on, I think it was Tumblr, and she was angsty and depressed. And someone commented, maybe it's because you're trans just abruptly for no reason. And she was like, uh, what is that? They explained it to her and they said,
Starting point is 01:18:50 look, don't take my word for it. Why don't you just like put on some boyish clothes right now? No big deal. Take a picture and see how you feel. So she went, okay. And she put on jeans and a t-shirt, took a picture, posted it. And they said, you look so cool. Wow. That is the coolest thing ever. You're amazing. So beautiful. Now, how do you feel?
Starting point is 01:19:12 And she went, I feel really good because they were love bombing her. Right. Then said, see, it's because you're trans. Why don't you cut your hair short? See how you feel then. She goes, okay. Cuts her hair short, posts a picture. Oh, you look so good. You're so, oh See how you feel then. She goes, okay. Cuts her hair short.
Starting point is 01:19:25 Posts a picture. Oh, you look so good. You're so, oh man, you're beautiful. You're amazing. We love you. And she goes, wow. And they go, how do you feel now? She goes, I feel really good.
Starting point is 01:19:34 They're like, yep, you're trans. That's proof. She said she went to Planned Parenthood. In 15 minutes, they gave her the maximum dose of testosterone. This is where society is going. Best of luck. This is why I was saying, rachel and coco melon it's other kids stuff on the internet is no different it's the same detached from reality psycho babble garbage and kids are going to attach their brains to it
Starting point is 01:19:58 and they're they're not going to function properly yeah and not only that like when it comes to at least miss miss rachel like she started jumping into politics as well and you know it's bad enough that it's not really all that uh you know nourishing uh content for kids in the first place but then to be shoving into it political opinions for whatever you know toddlers or something. Yeah, no thanks. I don't want my kid watching that stuff. I want to say a few things, but I don't because I have friends who have transgender... Not anymore, you don't.
Starting point is 01:20:37 Not anymore, you don't. Not after tonight. That's it. No, but it's... How can I say this without insulting? I mean, there's no way I can not insult them, but it really amazed me. And I still don't understand it. How anybody my age just doesn't believe any of this stuff.
Starting point is 01:21:01 Or let's see, the vast majority don't believe. And yet they do like I have friends who have who have supported their children in this I'm talking about children who are over the age of 18 but and they clearly were uncomfortable with it but felt that they had to go along with it. There's a, there's a, and I, and I just,
Starting point is 01:21:30 the thing is that I, cause I originally, what am I trying to say? I originally thought they were just going along with the ideology to be accepted and not to go against the grain. But when your own children are mutilated or their lives are ruined over this and you support it it shows that somehow it's more than just going along with the crowd they've and it's their fault they have actually assimilated it so i have a question
Starting point is 01:21:58 um if someone was suffering from suicidal ideation because they were uh suffering from what we would call dimensional displacement, what's the treatment for it? Yeah, psychiatric treatment. Drugs. Yeah, depending on the severity of their threats of self-harm, we lock them up. Yeah. So when a kid claims they're in the wrong body and they need to be altered because they're actually a koala bear. Do we give them surgery to make them a koala bear?
Starting point is 01:22:30 There's no difference on race or gender when a person who is a 6'3 white man who weighs 220 and goes, I am a woman. It's like that's no difference than saying you're a raccoon or you're suffering from dimensional displacement. It is not a fact. It is not a reality. And the issue is, we have created a medical treatment, the only,
Starting point is 01:22:54 the only DSM-5, as far as I know, that affirmation is the treatment. PICA is my favorite example. DSM-5, you know what PICA is? No.
Starting point is 01:23:04 It's when you eat things that aren't how'd you know i didn't know that pika yeah i didn't know it's the only time you've asked me do i know i i didn't know did my face show it or you just sensed the assumption is that most people have not heard of the term pika okay what is a pika pika is when you eat things that aren't food some people eat hair some people eat pennies. Nails. Nails. Yep. And really messed up stuff. Should we affirm them? Well, I can see you're eating rocks again. Well, I don't want you to feel depressed or upset.
Starting point is 01:23:37 You've got to eat the rocks. There isn't a pika lobby. Right. That's the problem. The other thing that I think it is when it comes to parents is that society now because think of your facebook mom groups in the way that everybody is now kind of viewed the idea is like everybody's running for president all the time you have to be perfect all the time you don't get to employ your own methods for parenting without being under the scrutiny of
Starting point is 01:24:01 everybody else not just in your friends group but whoever may interact with your kids down the line. And somewhere along the line, the idea for the Johnny Walker and the, uh, but the idea is that what used to be considered, you know, unconditional love became unconditional acceptance and gone are the days where you could love a child, but not necessarily approve of everything they do and that was enough right now if you're a parent and you don't unconditionally support everything your kids do you will be viewed as a bad parent not doing your job and you will be ostracized and that i think women especially will fall victim to this with the facebook mom groups and the need for women to be part of social you know the social cohesion and the way that they interact with one another enforces a certain level of conformity amongst
Starting point is 01:24:50 all of them. And that's where a lot of this starts is that you aren't allowed to be your own autonomous parent anymore without having to worry about the judgment and sometimes the intervention of people, of the state and people who might get the state involved. That the thing that i'm most scared about about becoming a dad is like the idea of like me wanting to do something with my kid or not wanting my kid to see something or whatever and then having to deal with the state yeah that's the last thing i want well i i'm not it's not so much the state right now it's um insurance companies insurance companies are one of the biggest threats to human civilization.
Starting point is 01:25:26 And I think people need to understand that. Depending on the medical treatments your child will get, you will be cut off from hospitals and doctors. Yep. There are certain things where they're like, here's some medication we want to give to your child. And you say, but my child's not sick. And they go, if you don't get it, you will be blacklisted from every medical provider because they're an insurance company. I feel like the left and the right can come to you.
Starting point is 01:25:50 Like maybe not everybody agrees that we should have universal health care, but we can all agree that insurance companies are pretty much evil. As much as you... We can agree to that stuff, but that doesn't mean, just because we agree to that stuff doesn't mean that we're going to have the same prescriptions of how to deal with it or what should be done about it the issue is the people the issue is humans in general it's a system yeah that's that's that's what i'm saying i'm not saying that everybody's going to agree
Starting point is 01:26:18 on what the solution is and god knows that getting the government involved rarely helps anything because it doesn't help anything ever. But to look at what's going on right now with insurance companies and pretend like that isn't a problem is also ridiculous. I think we should make a dimensionally displaced lobby. Dimensionally displaced lobby. You know what we could do? We could hire Alex Stein to go to like... Dimensional displacement.
Starting point is 01:26:43 Yeah. We could hire Alex Stein to go lobby for like dimensional displacement. Yeah. Like we can hire Alex Stein to go lobby for these kids are depressed because they're actually supposed to be popular and beloved. And the reason they're not is because they're temporarily in the wrong dimension. And if they were given the proper treatment
Starting point is 01:26:57 induced coma, they could reality shift into the dimension where they're popular. Everyone loves them. There was never an other can lobby. There could have been anotherkin lobby oh i don't want to yeah to do with otherkins but are you talking about the more reasonable of the uh and that's a stretch yes i was gonna the original what are you talking about because there's the people who think they're dragons and the people who think they're monkeys and and werewolves yeah and it's like so otherkin it was it was a was a big trend it still kind of is and it's like, so otherkin, it was a big trend.
Starting point is 01:27:25 It still kind of is. And it's effectively trans-species. Yeah, you're going to laugh, but it's crazy. There are people who walk around with fake cat ears and tails in their pants. They believe they're animals. This is not furries, by the way. Not the same thing. Yeah, not the same thing.
Starting point is 01:27:42 And there have been people who have surgically altered themselves to be animals. Are we going to start providing them with species-affirming care? Nope. Well, you guys remember the transgender, trans-species tiger woman, right? Yeah. An adult human man got surgeries to look like a tiger,
Starting point is 01:28:00 split his lip, got metal plates put in for whiskers, pointed the ears, shaved the teeth down, and then got a sex change to be a female tiger and then committed suicide. Good grief. That came to an abrupt end. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:28:17 Story. And guess what? I think it's fair to say the reason why suicide rates are high among trans people is because of the treatment. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And so what we find is the science shows— I say it as if I know what I'm talking about, but it makes sense. So here's the issue.
Starting point is 01:28:36 Desistance is the—that means that a person who is trans simply stops being trans. It's called desist. Trans children, children who are suffering from or diagnosed with gender dysphoria, have a desistance rate of like 65 to 90%. So that means if your 10-year-old is suffering from dysphoria, do nothing. By the time they're 13,
Starting point is 01:28:56 they'll be like, I don't even remember what that was. The problem is, they're now trying to do gender-affirming care on these kids and give them drugs and surgeries. Reinforces it. What happens?
Starting point is 01:29:06 It locks them in, reinforces it, and then they end up suffering extremely high suicidality because of the treatments. When I was a boy, I grew up in Indiana, and I used to get sick from nerves if I had a test or a baseball game or something. I wouldn't be able to go to the bathroom and so on. They sent me to the hospital for a week of tests and then decided that it was all in my head. And then my mother took me to the doctor and the doctor sat me down and said, it's all in your head
Starting point is 01:29:42 and you have to learn to get over it. And I think it's one of the greatest things that ever happened to me. Now they would give you a medication. No, that's the whole thing. Now they'd be like, you're a girl. If I grew up today, I would have been severely medicated or something. Yeah. Well, either that or your parents would have lost you.
Starting point is 01:30:04 They'd have come and taken you your your your parents would have lost you like they didn't they'd come and taken you away from your parents you know if they didn't if you didn't do or if they didn't do the things that the state said they should which is and remember the the when the left reinforces all of the things that we've just discussed they're doing so with a lawn sign in their by their home that says science is real by the way i have a uh i have an uncle my my aunt's husband who has out-of-body experiences and uh he he's a scientist and now retired scientist and he wrote a book about it and it has in in in that community it has a kind of a special status because he's a scientist so like lucid dreaming he he says no he said he actually leaves his body and then he has like a golden umbilical cord and uh that that allows him that connects you back to your physical
Starting point is 01:31:00 body and then over time you can work with it you become better you can go further distances and everything at first it's very hard to learn how to navigate but you you get And then over time you can work with it and you become better. You can go further distances and everything. At first it's very hard to learn how to navigate, but you get better over time. Joe Rogan would love to have him on. It sounds like Joe Rogan stuff. I don't, I don't know that I, I have all that much valuable input on like golden umbilical cords and stuff.
Starting point is 01:31:24 I'll have to do my research. Right. You know, to the astral plane and stuff. Ian, if Ian were here, he'd be, Ian would definitely be able to give us some information on astral
Starting point is 01:31:33 projection. Yeah. Yeah. I don't, I don't have anything for it though. That's my contribution for the evening. I feel like we've like just dumped a bunch of like social ills on you tonight.
Starting point is 01:31:45 Here's all these things that are crazy in the world. Enjoy. It's crazy. There's this viral video where a young boy is getting injected with puberty blockers by his dad. It's so crazy. It's just like, look, the. is conquered for their own reasons. The U.S., I think, is largely conquered, but maybe turning things around under Trump. We'll see if Trump can actually pull it off. But that's the issue with, say, like the big, beautiful bill.
Starting point is 01:32:16 I talked to Rand Paul today. He said if he is deciding to vote, he will vote yes. And I'm like, that's good because the crisis we're facing right now goes well beyond whether there will be inflation. We're going to overspend. The debt will go up and inflation is going to happen. It's like, yeah, they're also sterilizing children, you know, among other things. It's weird because when everything was going on, it feels like it was nine crises ago and everyone's discussing the different things that were in that bill. But maybe it's just me, but I never thought of Trump as fiscally prudent at all.
Starting point is 01:32:49 He wasn't in his first term. That's not to say that that's good. It's just it wasn't something that I was expecting. I was going to wear the shirt that I got of Bill Clinton. When was the last time we had a balanced budget? Bill Clinton. Bill Clinton. But I never thought of Trump as the dude who was going
Starting point is 01:33:05 to come in for fiscal responsibility because for the most part, whoever's going to get elected is going to, it's not a good thing, but the, the, the deficit's going to get worse. And I don't know if there is a candidate that is electable that is actually going to be able to take a dent out of it. Yeah. I mean, at the risk of sounding like a Borg will win out. Yeah. I mean, at the risk of sounding like a mouthpiece for the the administration like he never like he was never a fiscal conservative like he was everybody that you know everybody
Starting point is 01:33:35 that was was pro-trump knew that he was very well that he was a democrat and and he likes the unions yeah he does that's the mindset I think he's like I can work with him you know I think part of it might be because or like the first thing that he seemed to go into doing when he took office was the doge cuts so it became kind of uh something it became more of a discussion about fiscal responsibility for the government and I was just like when so when does the spending start because I know the spending is going to start. Yeah. I mean the spending, yeah, the spending is definitely starting now. Um, you know, I, I assume it's because they need to, the funding to continue to like for the government to function, but that's the same thing you hear every year.
Starting point is 01:34:18 Yeah. You know, it doesn't matter what year it is. Um, it's always the same refrain. Well, we have to do this to keep the government open and blah blah and in this particular issue there's like well you know we need to go ahead and pass this this funding bill so that way we can keep doing stuff with the border and blah blah you know it's like they're just referencing things that the american people are generally happy with and they're saying well we need the money to keep doing these things that you like. So it's nothing new and nobody's surprised at all.
Starting point is 01:34:47 I guess I just, I didn't expect anything except for maybe some tax cuts might happen or like the, you know, the re they have to ratify the 2017 tax cuts again. That's important. You know, that was the only thing I thought was going to happen this, this entire cycle of press. Well, that's, that's the, that's what this bill is. You know, I mean, you're probably right. It probably will be the only thing that happens i mean i could i could conceive of
Starting point is 01:35:08 possibly getting some of the doge cuts uh getting something passed with the doge cuts but i don't know what the what the house and the senate schedules are like so i don't know for sure if they're if they have time because their schedule is so crazy um so i mean i could like i said i could conceive of it because i could imagine that there are republicans that would be like yeah let's do this and that i could see you know see getting passed but i i don't know if they're actually going to do anything and to be honest with you that should come as no surprise let's jump to your chats my friends smash the like button share the show with everyone you know before we do though we got a great sponsor it's
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Starting point is 01:37:26 We got Mithos. He says, first, indeed you were. Good job. Shady Chowdhury says, I'm unsure if the possible Iranian visit to the White House will be a sign of peace or political theater. The fog of war is thick with all the Senate classified briefing next week. It feels like war. Yeah, maybe. Arsonist says, Tim, you're a bit harsh on Ted Cruz.
Starting point is 01:37:48 He's a neocon, not a monster. I can fix him. Also, I was playing GTA 4 and Roman called me and said, you want to go watch Timcast together? You got to chill. Hey. He goes on to say, I lost a lot of respect for people in politics recently, but gained some for others. Expect, expect you, Tim. You haven't changed since I subbed all those years ago, at least without good reason.
Starting point is 01:38:10 Thank you all. Is there anything you think you've changed on drastically? Guns. That was in 2018, so that counts today. How old are you? I am 39. I had two conversions. When? Mostly no. How old are you? I am 39. Yeah. Mostly no. I had two conversions.
Starting point is 01:38:27 One? Hard to say exactly. One was political. It went from left to right. When was that? It really started when I got married and had kids. That's where I think it was. But I actually changed parties after 9-11.
Starting point is 01:38:44 Okay. Oh, really? Yeah, I voted for Al Gore. Oh, wow. And then, but holding my nose. I didn't really, my thinking was out of sync with my behavior. I was a professor, though. I was in academia.
Starting point is 01:38:59 So I was trying to make it in that world. What were you a professor of? Middle Eastern studies. Oh, okay. Interesting. And then I converted religion. Ah, to what? Catholicism. Oh, okay. The superior Christian denomination. You're Catholic? No, no. We just did a debate last week on various denominations. It was largely Orthodox versus
Starting point is 01:39:24 Catholic, and they were screaming at each other. Yeah, Tate came in for the show, and he was like, man, they were yelling. It's like, what the hell is going on? I know, and it was like... Passions. But it was yelling, and they were speaking Latin. And I was like, I have no idea what's going on.
Starting point is 01:39:38 Yelling in Latin is... Who's disaster? Yep, I was like, what? I don't know that one. What were you before? Nothing. Oh, okay. My parents were Irish, but I'm on both sides of the divide.
Starting point is 01:39:51 My dad was Catholic, and my mother was Protestant, and I was raised as nothing. What made you convert? Well, when I got married, I committed to raise my kids Catholic. So I kind of just brought it all together. But I had long had the inclination to do it. It was like coming home. Since my dad, my dad was a non-practicing Catholic, but Catholicism to me seems like common sense. I am a lapsed Catholic. Come back. I was when lapsed Catholic. I was. Come back.
Starting point is 01:40:26 I was when I was little. I don't believe it. You know, just, it's not there. So I'm not going to pretend to. My favorite line from the Bible is, I believe, I believe, oh Lord, help me, help me in mine unbelief. You know, if I'm ever looking at a massive collapse
Starting point is 01:40:42 of subscribers and a desperate move, need to grift. Oh no. I'll just be like, oh Lord. I'm kidding. at a massive collapse of subscribers and a desperate move, need to grift, I'll just be like, oh, Lord. I'm kidding. I think there's a lot of people who do that. They're like, oh, hey, look at me. I found God. And I'm like, well, you know, I'm not going to pretend.
Starting point is 01:40:57 I lost subscribers, so I found God. That's what the worst thing is about when people call me a grifter and I'm like, I wish. That term has no meaning anymore. That just means you said something I don't like. Like, they can't imagine a world where somebody would say something they disagree with because they believe it,
Starting point is 01:41:13 other than because it's some op against them. Yeah. That's hilarious. It's crazy how many words have been totally ruined because people just use them so carelessly and imprecisely. It's one of the hardest things to prove, too, because you're actually saying that you know what's in that person's heart, that they don't believe what they're saying. And that's a very, very lofty claim to make against somebody.
Starting point is 01:41:38 It's like sellout. All right. T-Bomb says, new board idea. Have Tim write with a calligraphy pen the word merciless until he gets a good sample and slap that on a board. You know what? I can announce this. Let me see if I can pull this up. I didn't understand that at all.
Starting point is 01:42:00 Skateboards. Oh, okay. Calligraphy. We got t-shirts. I see. Look at these boonies t-shirts. So if you guys want to get the boonies, look at that one. The American flag with skateboards.
Starting point is 01:42:11 And it says boonies. And then we got this one that's got a rooster. And it says skateboarding content and culture. So plus we are going to make shirts of the board graphics. And we're going to make Casper shirts of the coffee graphics, but without like the writing, of course. But, you know, these are the skateboards that we got. My favorite, of course, is the 28th Amendment. It says, chickens being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep, bear, and breed chickens shall not be infringed. And if you own chickens, you must own one of these and hang it up.
Starting point is 01:42:42 But Step On Snack and Find Out sells out all the time. We got one of those. But I will say this, just in reference to the boards that the Super Chick brought up. The next series, and if you know what it is, don't say it. It's going to be a surprise. The next series will be coming out hopefully in the next few days or a week or so.
Starting point is 01:43:00 We will get in a lot of trouble for them, but I imagine they'll sell out instantly over and over and over again. And, uh... They're gonna go fast. And I think people are going to get very mad at me. They're going to get very mad.
Starting point is 01:43:15 But it must be done! So, you know, it's gonna be fun. Stay tuned. For the lulz, I guess. Anyway, T-Rex Pet Shop said, you should have had a Mormon on the culture war. They believe they're the only true Christian church based on the original organization and doctrine restored in the latter days. They were wrong to say they're non-Christians. Mountain Jews.
Starting point is 01:43:36 We should do that. We should do another debate where it's like Orthodox, Catholic, and Mormon. Get a Jehovah's Witness, too. I mean, honestly, I'd love to get a Scientologist to actually discuss Scientology. They won't. They won't do it. They won't.
Starting point is 01:43:51 And I know a lot of prominent Scientologists. I'm friends with some, and they won't. They will not. I won't admit it either. And when I say friends, it's not like I hang out every single day, but there are people that I talk to on a regular basis that I know are Scientologists,
Starting point is 01:44:09 and I don't care, but they don't talk about it they will not and and several instances we've had people actually say i nope they're like and if it comes up i'll leave and i'm like okay i don't remember i don't really care about that you know we can talk about news and stuff but i think it'd be great to actually have a scientologist talk about they believe i don't know why you don't hear it. Honest question. Shouldn't they be on shows being like, here's our actual belief structure? Oh. Guess not.
Starting point is 01:44:36 Probably not. I stopped by one of their the one in Hollywood. I was walking by their center there. This was years ago. And I tried to I was curious too, so I just wanted to have a conversation but they start sucking you in they make you fill out stuff I bought the book. I got bored very quickly
Starting point is 01:44:51 I bought Dianetics and? I kind of laughed after the first chapter and then stopped reading out of boredom so I was skateboarding down Hollywood and there was a guy waving and you know I got nothing else to do so I stopped and he was like
Starting point is 01:45:08 are you familiar with Dianetics and I was like that's like a precursor to Scientology right and I can't remember what he said but something like well it's associated but it's not necessarily but are you familiar with it and I was like nope and he's like well what are you familiar with you don't know anything about it and I said just what I've seen on
Starting point is 01:45:24 the TV. And he goes, oh, South Park, huh? And I was like, yep. And he was like, do you always base your beliefs off of cartoons? And I laughed and I said, no. And he goes, why don't you come in and I'll tell you about it. But then he gave me an e-reader and tells me to hold it and tells me to envision things. And I was like, my guy, you're not.
Starting point is 01:45:44 He was like, I want you to hold these things. And then I want you. I was like, my guy, you're not, he was like, I want you to hold these things. And then I want you, I forgot what he said, like think of something that caused you trauma. I can't remember. And then I'm like sitting, I'm like, okay. And then I see like the needle move and he goes, what were you thinking about?
Starting point is 01:45:54 And I was like, the letter F. And he was like, what? And I was like, I literally just pictured a big letter F and nothing else. And he was like, oh, and I'm like, why'd the meter move? And he didn't know. And I was like, look, man, come on. Because I think what they do is they're like imagine a trauma and you imagine like getting spanked by your dad the meter moves you go I imagine a spanking that proves it and
Starting point is 01:46:14 I'm like nah where's that big letter f yelling at kids I mean that's just to weed you out anyways as somebody who's not pliable for what they of Of course. Yeah, of course. It's like in the Nigerian email scams. I've seen this before. People will be like, I got one of these email scams, and they're so dumb. Like the grammar is all messy, and it's obviously a scam.
Starting point is 01:46:37 These people are stupid. I'm like, no, they're smart. They intentionally write with bad grammar because they want to avoid smart people. They want only stupid people who are not going to notice these mistakes to send them money. And it works. Yeah. All right.
Starting point is 01:46:53 What do we got here? Trader Potato says, yo, Phil, what pants are you wearing in your last IG reel? Been looking for a good pair with knee pad inserts. They're Cry Combat pants. Ah. So. been looking for a good pair with knee pad inserts uh they're cry uh combat pants ah so based african says the anime how a realist hero rebuilt the kingdom explores how a country should approach debt war and internal corruption basically it follows the idea of minimize harm to endear yourself to enemies citizens while removing their leadership ian kinney says why did youtube just give me an ad in the middle of the live stream never had that
Starting point is 01:47:32 before so you youtube has changed how ads work on youtube so uh earlier this year they announced we started we started getting these notifications in on where it said, soon all ads will be placed automatically. And it was like, as of May, the ability to, can you still place ads? You can still place ads. But they automatically run them no matter what. So if you turn off automated ads, right, you can drop your own ads in there. And what I found is like on the live stream, I'm not talking about the segments. You drop your ads every 15 minutes, 15, minutes 15 30 45 all the way to the end it automatically demonetizes
Starting point is 01:48:10 the first three ads which is your largest space of time where you're actually getting viewership which sinks any ability to really get revenue from that because the people who are watching to the end theoretically you're going to see more like if somebody makes it to the fourth ad they're staying the whole way to the end anyways but the ones who join for just the first few segments you're not gonna get any ads on any of that you have to leave the automated ads on YouTube basically said if you don't run ads we nuke your monetization yeah so it's like you can be off platform and broke or you can just run ads the way we want ads to be run and it drops like 60 ads in there
Starting point is 01:48:44 but not all of them are gonna end up showing on right so so basically what happens is if you upload a video to youtube it will it'll let you place ads and then you when you do if you go back like half an hour later they're all red yeah they're all it's all nope not allowed and it's it's okay and then it will automatically choose where to put ads on all your videos from now on. And it does a ton, but YouTube claims they have a limiter so that you can't see a certain amount of ads in a certain amount of time because they're tracking you individually. It's per person. My understanding is because they want to make sure you don't leave the program or leave the video. So everybody has a different threshold for ads. Yeah. You know? And it's different for videos as opposed to live streams.
Starting point is 01:49:26 Like on the live streams, there's an option to like turn on ads during the live stream, which most people don't. Yeah. Well, yeah, you have to turn it off every day. And actually, so what happens now is it just changed it on us. No longer gives us, it used to say, do you want ads a little bit, a lot, no ads.
Starting point is 01:49:46 Now it just says, add frequency, low, medium, high. And then you have to go in, and then there's like a drop-down menu, drop-down menu, drop-down menu to get, I will choose where the ads go. And it basically gives you a warning, like, we're going to nuke your channel if you do this. I don't even want the XP stuff in the live chat. You don't want it? I want that. Yeah, Tales from the Inverted World, live chat. You don't want it? I want that. You want the live... Yeah, Tales from the Inverted World, live at 10 p.m. tonight.
Starting point is 01:50:08 They have the experience points ranking system already, and I reached out to Google and said, we want that, and they said, it's an experimental product, so it's not available. Like, nobody in our chat even knows how it works. It doesn't seem to follow any type of rule whatsoever. Like, the first person... It's not real yet.
Starting point is 01:50:26 But the general idea is, for those that are wondering, some channels have a ranking system now where if you are a dedicated user who superchats and is a member, you earn experience and then actually get ranked and appear next to the stream. In the chat, you can click
Starting point is 01:50:41 XP rankings and you can see who the biggest fan is when we click the xp rankings nothing shows up like people will get the badge when they're chatting but when i go and look at the xp rankings it's just blank man that's a bummer could because it's beta testing yeah it's an experimental launch i guess i mean they're just looking to keep for ways to keep people engaged and non-platform yeah we. We don't have it. Yeah. Lame. Shameful.
Starting point is 01:51:08 Lame. I'm excited because Real Hydra would be like number one. Yes. He's like one of the. Shane H. Wilder would be high up there. Yeah. Raymond G.
Starting point is 01:51:17 Stanley Jr. Yeah. He'd be huge. All right. Cybercast says I'm 23 and conservative. I will cheer them losing the midterms. My entire life American legacy has been actively sold. I'm no longer conservative. I'm far right. Oh, did you guys see that weird clip where over Iran? I'm assuming Israel. No, don't do it. Don't do it. You guys see the clip where Tucker was asking Ted asking ted cruz about israel spying on us yeah and i don't understand why ted cruz he he really couldn't handle himself he tried doing the why are you so obsessed with israel and i'm like no no i thought he got i thought he got the better of um tucker on that issue on the israel one yeah i disagree he tried playing the why are you obsessed
Starting point is 01:52:03 obsessed with Israel. That doesn't work when you're actively involved in war with Israel, like alongside them. The point I bring up to people in the past several months when they were like, Israel controls the world. And I'm like, the Saudis have more influence. Like U.S. presidents go to Saudi Arabia and beg them to stay on the petrodollar lease and not pump oil. But when there's a bombing campaign from Israel, our ally that we're defending and supplying, it is absolutely understandable why we are talking about Israel in this context. So then go, well, what about China? It's like, my dude, Israel is bombing Iran right now. We're allowed to talk about it. That's why it's annoying when people are like, someone commented and they were like,
Starting point is 01:52:46 oh, Tim, I thought we were obsessed with Israel. Why are you talking about Israel? And it's like, my dude, it's because they bring it up when we are not engaged in a conflict and there's an active conflict that we are engaged in. When Ukraine is the war, they're talking about Israel.
Starting point is 01:53:00 Now Israel is involved in the war. We talk about Israel. That's fine. That was always allowed. I thought Tucker did a terrible job. He should have just said, it's really easy. Should Mossad spy on us? No.
Starting point is 01:53:11 Next question. I don't know how hard that is. It's like, okay, well, they do. I know it's bad. Ted Khrushchev said that. Yeah. Yeah, I actually, I had a different reaction. Number one, I don't think the Israelis spy on us in any serious way.
Starting point is 01:53:28 They can't. If they do, they get into all kinds of problems. And I have talked to Mossad people about this. I talked to a former deputy head of Mossad, and he said, you don't know how strict it is for us. I can't, if I'm running an operation anywhere in the world and I want to surveil someone, if it's an American citizen anywhere in the world, I have to go all the way up to the prime minister to get permission to do it.
Starting point is 01:53:56 I believe him because the power disparity is such that if they did actively spy, it could really harm them, which it did with Pollard, what they did. But I'd imagine that's for the average American citizen. I imagine there is select spying that they do.
Starting point is 01:54:13 No, I would say we spy on them much more than they spy on us. Sure, but they spy on us. There will be... I mean, it depends on what you mean by spying. They're not running any active programs to try to surveil us or anything. I would say to whatever degree, from the lightest to the heaviest, whatever, there is active spying from Israel on the United States.
Starting point is 01:54:33 It could be that there's a few people of interest that they have approval to spy on, and they do. I'm sure. That could well be a few people, but it's not to spy on the U.S. government. There'll be American citizens who get wrapped up into something. But the other— I can't believe it. The other thing is that I thought that what Ted Cruz said was right as a general principle. Everybody's spying on everybody?
Starting point is 01:54:58 Yeah, the world is the way it is. The amount of spying that we do on other people is— I don't disagree. I think the issue was that he was flustered for no reason, and it looks really bad. It was a classic Nixon-Kennedy situation. Okay, that's another... His demeanor is another thing.
Starting point is 01:55:15 Wait, real bad. Yeah. Optics-wise, if you're somebody that's not paying the closest attention to what's going on, if a government official looks that flustered over those questions, regardless of whether you think his answers are right or not, it doesn't help if he doesn't look like he can handle the questions that are fed to him.
Starting point is 01:55:32 Yeah. So it's like if Tucker says, do you think Masada's spying? Yeah. Isn't that a bad thing? Yep. I mean, that's just like, isn't I imagine that the average person just believes that, you know, allies spy on allies and that this stuff is going on at all times. Except for the Five Eyes Spy Club.
Starting point is 01:55:47 We just share all the data with each other. Hey, UK, I'll spy on your guys. You spy on mine. And then you give me the data and I give you mine. We bypass the law. It's really frustrating that they do that kind of stuff. Yep. I tweeted earlier today.
Starting point is 01:56:02 It's kind of a joke, but it's kind of taken off. I said I want regime change in the UK because of the abortion ruling today no just the UK sucks regime change no I was watching something about like some fat middle aged woman getting arrested
Starting point is 01:56:18 for being mean on the internet and I was like dude Karen's are allowed to Karen not in the UK they're not oh no I was watching, dude, Karen's are allowed to Karen. Not in the UK, they're not. Not theirs, they're not. Not in the UK. Not at all. Oh, no, I was watching a thing where when they're swearing in politicians who are Muslim, non-Muslims aren't allowed to touch the Quran. Did you hear that? Non-Muslims aren't allowed to touch the Quran?
Starting point is 01:56:36 Yeah. Really? So it's in like a special cloth that they have to then hold up and give to a Muslim so they can swear on it because, you know, non-Muslims can't touch it. Something like that. And I was like, really? That's weird. muslim so they can they can swear on it because you know non-muslims can't touch it something like that and i was like really that's weird i don't know what's going on over there huh but i did see that count dankula is thin yeah has he lost weight that's some regime change i am for yeah shout out to count dankula yeah how's it been buddy been a minute hopefully he's doing okay seems to be he's fit as a fiddle all right what do we got here
Starting point is 01:57:06 an electable sausage says third grade math a b-52 departs from taiwan at 500 nautical miles per hour an israeli b-2 departs from tel aviv at 350 nautical miles per hour which one gets to make a three mile ayatollah first does that mean like i'm gonna say what does that mean oh making a nuclear joke oh common sense fishing says could it be possible china smuggled a nuke into iran via three trips making plausible deniability if nuke used that would sure mess things up globally i don't think they need to use three planes to bring in a nuke. When you
Starting point is 01:57:48 mentioned the story earlier about the three planes, and when you look at that image of the planes on satellite and how everybody's kind of skirting around it, if there's actual uranium on those planes, that is something they end up making a movie about 20 years later,
Starting point is 01:58:03 once all the information is declassified the the um there is a realistic possibility that the iranians have uh something in escrow in north korea in escrow in north korea hasn't like just saved up no that the that the iranians have what what if the ir Iranians have purchased something from the North Koreans and the North Koreans are holding it? Yeah. That's not an unrealistic possibility.
Starting point is 01:58:32 North Korea gets caught with their leg. I'm sorry, I was holding it for a friend. Yeah, North Korea is... Yeah. It's my friend's. It wasn't mine. It wasn't mine. And, I mean, well,
Starting point is 01:58:42 North Korea's already thought to have nuclear weapons, so they probably assume that it's safer to have them hold on to it uh and and say and rely on the fact that the international community is not going to be like we need to send inspectors in to make sure because the international community is kind of like ah well they already got them so it's a little too late for these guys you know exton man says the boeing 747 Boeing 747 stops in Turkmenistan and continues on to Luxembourg.
Starting point is 01:59:09 Bad coverage for flights in that area. Interesting. No idea. He says Cargolux operates regular service between Luxembourg and Turkmenbashi. Flight trackers have issues in that area possibly due to authoritarian rule.
Starting point is 01:59:27 Interesting. We should have gotten those Taylor Swift flight trackers on all this. We would have solved this problem weeks ago. What do you guys do? Well, you know, they're not. They're busy trailing Taylor Swift. Like, if we just tell them, like, look, it's about climate change. It's not about nuclear war.
Starting point is 01:59:41 It's about climate change. We'll get this solved in no time at all. I feel like they'd still be busy chasing Taylor Swift. Conant says DJT met with Saudis, UAE, and had China trade deal in the last 30 days. Iran was discussed with all three behind the scenes. Interesting. I think so. I think so.
Starting point is 01:59:58 Yep. Yeah, except the Saudis told Trump that they want peace and quiet. Interesting. Who doesn't? You know. I'm sure they just want to sit back in their lounge chairs, some chicken wings, football game. That's what I want. International football, though, so soccer.
Starting point is 02:00:16 Yes. That's what you call it. It's called soccer over there, but we say soccer. They say football. All right. We'll grab one more here. What do we got? What is this? Jimmy says, this is nothing new.
Starting point is 02:00:31 All large civilizations that become technologically advanced go insane and destroy themselves. Ah, Fermi's paradox. The great filter. We build VR chambers, lock ourselves in, and then die. My friends, smash the like button. Share the show with everyone you know. The Uncensored Call-In Show will be coming up at rumble.com slash timcast IRL
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