Timcast IRL - Trump Calls Epstein Case A HOAX By Democrats, GOP Votes TO BLOCK Release w/ William Thibeau, Myron Gaines

Episode Date: July 16, 2025

Tim, Phil, & Libby are joined by William Thibeau & Myron Gaines to discuss Trump claiming the Epstein files are a Democrat hoax, the GOP blocking a vote on releasing the Epstein files, Andrew Schulz slamming Trump over Epstein files disaster, and a marketing CEO claiming his company was offered $20 million to organize anti-Trump protests.   Hosts:  Tim @Timcast (everywhere) Phil @PhilThatRemains (X) Carter @CarterBanks (X) Guests: William Thibeau @WilliamThibeau (X) Myron Gaines @MyronGainesX (everywhere)

you Donald Trump, when asked by a reporter, says the Epstein files are a made-up Democrat hoax as Republicans have now voted in committee and on the floor to block the release of the files after Democrat Rep. Ro Khanna put forth an amendment saying any documents, any files related to Epstein's case, his prosecution, and any evidence must be published by the DOJ in 30 days. Now according to Axios, it's because the Republicans have an agenda and if a literal legislative agenda and if they vote on Rep Ro Khanna's bill it changes the agenda for the day which is kind of a dumb argument because I mean this is the Epstein case what else matters right? The issue however the Khanna amendment says they got to publish any evidence

now I spoke with Rep Ro Khanna earlier and he said it is not his intention to require them to publish the videos of the victims being abused, but that is the evidence. And if you say the evidence has to be published, that's what you're saying. Now Rep. Ro Khanna said he will introduce a bill bipartisan that amends this, makes it clear that's not what he wants. In the meantime, it appears that the same amendment was brought to the floor and it was defeated. Not a good day for Republicans.

comedian Andrew Schultz has apparently come out saying he's sick of all the parties and Trump I think is going to hurt from this. He campaigned on this. Cash Patel, Dan Bongino, less Dan Bongino but Cash campaigned on this and now they're backing away from the whole thing. So we'll talk about that plus a lot. And some good news with ice cream, you know, taking artificial dyes out. But the big story, of course,

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Myron is back. I'm here, one half of the Fresh Feed podcast. Happy to be here, and yeah, I think I'll be, I might be out there when you guys do the dating thing. I think we're talking about having you on for the dating thing. Yeah, yeah, that's August 9th. August 9th.

I'll be out there, guys. And we've got her to get it first. We got a great liberal feminist woman We're getting all up. It's gonna be really funny. Make sure you guys show up It'll be and if you guys want to debate it, too You got to show up to Libby's here Libby Emmons is here. That is me I'm here with the post-millennial glad to be here guys right on. I am Phil that remains I'm from our names Phil LaBonte and the lead singer on. I am Phil that remains. My name is Phil Abbonte. I'm the lead singer of the heavy metal band All That Remains. I am an anti-communist and a counter-revolutionary. Let's get into it. Here's the story from Disclose TV. Actually it's a clip from C-SPAN. Trump repeats that the Epstein

files are a made-up Democrat hoax. Here's the clip ladies and gentlemen. No, no. She's given us just a very quick briefing and in terms of the credibility of the different things that they've seen. And I would say that, you know, these files were made up by Comey, they were made up by Obama, they were made up by the Biden, you know, and we went through years of that with the Russia, Russia, Russia hoax, with all of the different things that we had to go through. We've gone through years of it, but she's handled it very well and it's going to be

up to her. Whatever she thinks is credible, she should release. So he's saying the files are a hoax. What does he mean by that? Is he saying that the actual documents they have, they're not going to release because he's saying it's made up by Comey and Obama and that crew, does he really expect that everyone's gonna buy that?

I think it's, I don't think it's gonna work. I think the administration has been so careless with the rollout of this stuff. I'm almost to the point where no matter what they actually do put out for public consumption, people are gonna feel like there's more, people are gonna feel like there's more, people are gonna feel like it's not enough, there's other things that are being hidden.

These press conferences and speaking to the press and not having all your ducks in a row is probably the worst thing that they could have done and it's really hurt the base's trust in the administration. It's also given the Democrats a really big opening, right? I mean, we see that now too. We see AOC being like, oh, of course, if you have a rapist in the White House,

then you're not gonna release the Epstein tapes. You have Ro Khanna coming out and being like, basically, you know, the Democrats are like, we're gonna attach, release the files to every single bill you guys put forth, which is a big stunt, but is what they're doing. And today, over the weekend, Epstein was a huge deal at Turning Point USA Student Action Summit.

Everyone had something to say about it. Jack Pesovic, Steve Bannon, Charlie Kirk, Megan Kelly. There was an awful lot to talk about, Tucker Carlson. And then today, you have Trump. First, he calls it a hoax. He also then said that Pan Bondi should release any remaining files. And then he repeated that later,

I think on the tarmac at Andrews. He said, let them have it, release any credible information. What does that mean, credible information? I have no idea what that means. I mean, does it mean like the stuff that's not the victims? You know nothing about the victims. Does it mean the grand jury?

Testimony does it mean depositions? I don't I guys I just help me out here Why is it if I don't understand what's going on? Why isn't Trump just live better? Well, I was at the I was in Tampa too for that event. And yeah, I mean that was the talk I mean even you know, everyone in the base is pretty much pissed off about this whole Epstein thing and hell I debated Destiana a little bit as well over about it and you know I gave my position on yesterday I don't think we're ever gonna get it because of the sensitive nature where I think there's gonna be other foreign nations implicated we know which one especially the Middle East but you know

first it was there's no files, nothing to see here. Now it's, oh yeah, just release whatever's credible. It just looks bad. And then you were saying, Phil, how they rolled out this out poorly. I agree. As soon as they brought those idiots over to the White House and gave the binders of the flight logs,

which we had already all saw before. And it was more redacted than information already in the public. Yes, yes, yes. It was really bad. So this entire Epstein situation has been 100% fumbled. With the JFK stuff, they fumbled that a little bit, too. But let's be honest. The people that care about JFK and crazies like me

and some others, but it's so old. Most of the people are dead from it. But Epstein people are interested in, right? Because it was recent. So they can't fumble that one as bad. I think people care about it because it was recent. So they can't fumble that one is bad. So, yeah. I think people care about it because it's a, it gets to the question of this deep suspicion that we can't trust the people in charge of our government

and that we don't know who's in charge. Ron Dodson had a great tweet thread about this, that it's kind of a Rorschach test. If you try so hard to not care about this, it's worth of a Rorschach test. If you try so hard to not care about this it's worth being suspicious about you, right? But to the rest of us, and I do think normal people care about this actually, it's this final kind of window into a potential loss of faith of the integrity of, I'm not going to say the integrity of our democracy,

but you know, who's in charge? No, I mean, to that point, I mean, you look at the past 25 years, the lies about the Iraq War, then the Democrats swore up and down that they weren't targeting Republicans, but there was the IRS Lois Lerner scandal. Then you have the whole Biden administration,

there was COVID, we were lied to. There was, like the young people in America have never known a time, Gen Z I'm talking about, have never known a time where the government wasn't just lying outright. At least people my age can look back and say, well, you know, I mean, before the turn of the century, there were times where the government was dishonest,

but they were, you know, trying to do this or or we had some amount of faith maybe maybe it was misplaced but we had some amount of faith that the government was being honest. If you're a Gen Z you're like look the government has been lying for my entire life. I've never known anything other than the government to lie to us. They ruined my if you you're 25 now, they ruined your young, you as a young person, they destroyed, you know, you couldn't go to, couldn't go to your prom, you couldn't go do activities with your friends. All these things that were absolutely stolen from Gen Z because of lies. So now they're hoping that Donald Trump is going to actually be responsive to the things that they want and it looks like in at least

this case he's not and you're going to see Gen Z is not going to tolerate that. And the other thing too is you know, you brought up a good point there. They had alternative media, we didn't. So we fell for the, they hate us because we're free. They, we fell for the, you know, we need to go ahead and invade them because of weapons of mass destruction. Like we had only the mainstream media back then,

but like these younger people, they've had social media and had alternative media. So for them, like mainstream media is like a dying thing. Like we still watch it to a degree because that's what we grew up on. But alternative media is taking over. And this past election proves that. Yes.

And that was Andrew Breitbart was really one of the first people coming out being alternative media, right? And that was what like late, that was like mid to late 90s. Really? Was that that long ago? Yeah, cause he- Wasn't it Drudge? Yeah, Drudge.

Well he was- Who's that Alex Jones? He broke the, wasn't he was breaking. Oh, yeah He broke the wasn't he part of breaking the Lewinsky dress thing. I don't know. I'm pretty sure I think I was like seven I I recently did some I try and do some digging when I don't know something and figure it out And yeah, Breitbart was part of the Lewinsky dress, you know, he used to be a liberal because it was on Drudge Yeah, he sure well Southern, California, right? You know, you had to like like go searching for it versus like now like people would rather just watch their favorite

You know political commentator then like watch the news, which is what I realized like it's it's like completely different It's like you sit like you before 20 years ago Mainstream media was it right alternative media is still existed. But like you have to go looking for it now It's like people are like, you know I'd rather just see what my favorite political commentators got to say about this versus CNN. Just to play devil's advocate for a second. So all these files were basically like alleged files

were in the Eastern District of New York, right? Like the prosecutors had them there. Southern District. Southern District. So do we think that there could be a situation where they had a bunch of information and either trashed it or misplaced it or, cause these would have been a lot of analog files

or even like at best they would have been like, you know, those big square floppy disks. Yeah, so I could talk to that a little bit. So, so the thing with the Epstein, which makes it so complicated and why it's so convoluted is because it was a criminal case and there's an intelligence aspect, right? So we know that the FBI did a criminal case, you know, 20, what they picked him up in 2019,

if I'm not mistaken, 2018 they arrested him and then he ended up dying in the summer of 2019. So Southern District of New York and FBI New York is the one that ran the criminal case. Now, obviously the criminal case is gonna have stuff that's unclassified because criminal cases, you can't put anything classified in there or you have to declassify it to use it. So they have that and then Galeon Maxwell we know went to trial. So you can go, anyone that went to the trial would be able to see a lot of the evidence that probably would have been used against Epstein himself. But with that said, there's obviously going to be a classified or what we call a high side, I don't know you know about that from the military, there's going to be a high side.

And that's going to have a lot of the stuff that has to do with potentially him being a counterintelligence agents or agent or whatever. But and I was saying this yesterday, I think the people that are really going to have a lot of info, it's not going to just be the FBI, the FBI is going to have a piece of the pie. It's going to be the CIA because of him being potentially involved with a foreign intelligence service. CIA handles, you know, foreign. So I think Tulsi Gabbard has far more of a role in this situation or should have far more of a role in this situation than a Pam Bondi because the DOJ is not going to be privy to stuff from the IC unless it comes from the FBI and the FBI is just one component of the IC versus all the other intelligence apparatus. To your point, no it's perfectly

fine, but to your point even if Congress were to have passed the bill today and and it were signed into law, Congress doesn't have the ability to declassify stuff. So it would still take the president saying, oh, these things that are classified, well, I'll declassify them so people can see them. So it doesn't matter what Congress does when it comes to things that would have been classified by CIA or DNI or whatever. Yeah.

And you know, because I know Tulsi Gabbard, right, since she's over at DNI, because this is what I assume, and I think I'd love to get your take on this too, being a foreign military guy. Like, obviously the FBI has a piece of the pie with the criminal case and then what he was doing, right? Because just based off of them doing their investigation, they had to have come across what he was doing and how he was been able to be protected for so long.

Then I know the CIA is absolutely gonna have a file on him because he's collecting intelligence for a foreign country. Then I know DIA, NSA, all these different components are gonna have all the information. The only person I could think of that's gonna have everything in totality, more than likely, or at least will have access to it, is gonna be Tulsi Gabbard.

And she is the main conduit of information that gives it to the president, right? We know Trump, this is himself from the intelligence components because he doesn't really trust them. So Tulsi Gabbard is gonna have everything. So I think that's what the people really want. Like obviously we kind of know

who's on the client list already. We kind of know what he was doing. We want to know who he was working for, what he was doing specifically, how he was going about it, methodologies and modes. So I think that's where a lot of the sauce is gonna be. You know, the FBI, you know, they're getting held accountable for sure

and Pam Bonnie's getting made fun of, but I do think that there is a significant amount of Intel that's going to be with the intelligence community. It would be it would be nice to see some journalists going after or at least investigating where he got his money, who was actually investing with him. There's not a lot of information that's out there about who was actually giving him money, how much you know what type of... We know it's Les Wexner but yeah yeah, they've like, they keep him out the fray, right? Wasn't the issue, the original search warrant in 2008 or 2009 was so weak

that it essentially allowed them to take a modicum of action to investigate him while allowing a cover-up? The bare minimum. Well, so in that, I think to give President Trump the benefit of the doubt, he's probably in a situation where there is perhaps not much else. And so to release the files would only be to fuel speculation, disappoint his base. Or, no, no, finish, finish. And so, you know, I think he's, he says that it's a it's a hoax

I I don't think he's lying to us, but You know, I think he's trying to prepare us for disappoint. This is more or he might not be able to control what if Epstein is a hoax and Democrats they made the whole thing up with Comey during Trump's first term They were like if he ever gets back in, we're going to cede this. They're going to start promoting the conspiracy theory, and then it will be a hoax and there will be no files at all. I'm sorry, that's kind of like the least believable thing imaginable. That the Democrats made up the Epstein files. Cash, Trump, all campaigned on this.

And then they get in and then go, well, it was a hoax. Like dude, I'm sorry, I can't. Although it is a good way to ruin credibility. Left media, which I agree with this 100%, CNN has published several stories on this. A lot of these guys on left wing have been absolutely going at, you know, I've seen Hassan, Kyle Klinsky, all these guys are like loving it. Like, yes, look, Mag is going crazy because this is something that Casper Tell

and you know, Bonjini, all these guys campaign on or talked about in their podcast because a lot of these guys were former influencers. And then for them to get into power and then be like, oh, there's nothing here or it's not getting, you know, they're not putting out the information. You know, obviously it looks very bad. And like the Democrats are loving it right now.

It's a big W for them in their eyes. Let's jump to the story from Axios. House GOP blocks second Democrat attempt to release the Epstein files. And I'm sorry, this is optic victory for the Democrats. Republicans are flubbing this bad. Axios says, House Republicans on Tuesday voted down another Democrat procedural maneuver

aimed at forcing the DOJ to release documents related to Jeffrey Epstein. It's the second time this week week Democrats have forced their GOP colleagues to choose between loyalty to Trump and a MAGA base that is furious. Democrats are already promising future votes. Quote, that was probably not the last time you're going to see us deal with this issue. House Rules Committee ranking member Jim McGovern told Exios. Republicans dismissed the vote as a cynical partisan

ploy with Rep. Tim Burchett telling exeos it's just politics it's not about protecting little children and that ticks me off. The House voted 211 to 210 against allowing a House vote on Rep. Ro Khanna's measure to force the DOJ to publish the Epstein files online within 30 days. Democrats procedural motion would have scuttled the GOP's legislative agenda for the day in favor of the Connoh bill, making it difficult for Republicans to vote for it. The vote went along party lines. It came after Republicans in the House Rules Committee voted Monday night against attaching the Epstein language to a broader cryptocurrency and defense funding vote. Now here's the thing. Here's the Connoh amendment, and I did speak with Rep Connoh earlier.

He told me that he was going to draft a bill a new one that Clarifies the language because it is not his intent that the DOJ Publish all of the videos of abuse on their website that being said if this was presented to me And I was told to vote on it. There's only one thing you can say you can say no Democrats knowing they won't win get to vote. Yes it's a political ploy. But with respect to Representative Kana, I want to see him put out the new measure that clarifies this would not require the DOJ to publish thousands of videos of child porn. The amendment says, A, the attorney general shall retain, preserve, and compile any records or evidence related to any investigation,

prosecution, or incarceration of Jeffrey Epstein. B, not later than 30 days after the date of this enactment of this act, the Attorney General shall release and publish any records or evidence related to any investigation, prosecution, or incarceration of Jeffrey Epstein on a publicly accessible website. This amendment is in and of itself a poison pill. Any evidence we know, based on not what the Trump administration has claimed, based on the evidence we've seen so far just across the board,

based on what Ghislaine Maxwell was accused of and convicted of, would include images of children being abused. How, and this is, it's laughably insane. Look, with all due respect to Rep. Conn, he said, our legal understanding from our team is that the DOJ would not have to publish that. And I'm just like, yeah, sorry, dude.

I can respect he's saying he's going to redraft, like remake it to clarify that language. But you're still dragging the attorney general into court when she doesn't release child abuse videos. Well, so his argument is, that's not the intent of the amendment. My argument is it doesn't matter what your intent is, they have to abide by what you actually wrote

and what will be passed by Congress. If the Republicans vote yes on this, and I think they should, because in the event they do try to force the DOJ to publish victim materials, it's Ro Khanna's fault. I would prefer, however, that he actually clarify his bill, say this will not include any information, videos, or evidence that would revictimize, would show anything illicit, illegal, child porn, et cetera.

The problem then is you're giving the DOJ full leeway to redact anything and everything. There's no effective way to do this in the way he's trying. He should at least put forward a bill saying that certain members of Congress will be granted access to the files for review and after a bipartisan review, there'll be determination on what information can be released to the public. Yeah, that seems like a better bill. Do you think that he'll rewrite it and come back?

I think he'll rewrite it in such a way that it would just give the DOJ clearance to redact everything. Like, I'm sorry, the letter of this amendment is clear and Democrats are mad at me and yelling at me but I'm right it says any evidence related. There's no provision that would give the DOJ clearance to decide when not to release evidence it says they have to do it. So how do Republicans vote yes on this? You know this is a perfect example of this is the importance of

again that's not gonna get us everything that we need. The stuff that people, the stuff that the American public are interested in, they want to know what he was doing, who he's working for, was he actually an asset for a foreign intelligence service, that's what people want. That's not gonna just come from the DOJ side, you're gonna have to go ahead and get an intel community involved which is why I'm saying the Attorney General, I'll be honest with you guys, Pan-Bondi is gonna have a limited scope on this stuff. It's really gonna be Tulsi Gabbard that's gonna have everything on this when it comes to the Intel side

because that's what people really want. And the other thing also that I think, because I wrote down real quick what I think people would have a lot of information for us, I want all the search warrant affidavits for every single one of his residences because the reason why I'm saying that is because to get a federal search warrant requires an enormous amount of probable cause. And you have to have timely information to be able to go ahead and get it and not only get it but get it through the Southern District of New York through the U.S. Attorney's Office. So that would have an enormous amount of information that the American public

would want to see. Also all the search warrants for his phones, the search warrants for his house out in New Mexico. I think that would be of great information for the people. And they could put all that stuff out and it would have no effect on any ongoing cases? Cases are closed. Yeah. To this day, the search warrant affidavits are still sealed. And I want to see those. Like those are going to be, you know, search warrants are kind of like a huge gem when it comes to getting the

information because the agent, right, and I've ran hundreds of search warrants, that's why I can speak about this, you have to put all the information that you have and not only do you have to put the information that you have, you have to put information that is timely because to get into someone's house, you need what's called fresh probable cause and you need somewhere between seven to 14 days of real information of how you're going to what you're planning to find there, where you got your information, it's going to expose sources, it's going to expose methodologies. So this is why they probably said I have it sealed, but that's going to be super important.

And then I'm also interested to get the affidavits that they wrote probably for his telephone his telephones and his electronic devices. That's also going to have some important stuff. So for them to put the just the Attorney General, I get it, but that's limited. So we need we need Tulsi Gabbard as well the DNI we need this search warrant affidavits And one more thing that you'd said you said you think that it's the Intel stuff that people are mostly interested in is it Really your sense that because the reason I ask is because from my perspective and the stuff that I see on X and stuff people tend to be

most vocal about the on X and stuff, people tend to be most vocal about the the possibility of like child abuse and assaults on kids and stuff. That's the stuff that I see that has really inflamed people. Do you feel differently? Yeah, no, no, no, 100%. But the reason, but to be able to get that fully, you need to know why he was doing it.

That's where it's gonna be classified. So you don't think the nature of what he sent to a potential handler, to someone outside the country is All gonna be under the purview of the intelligence because like here's the thing The criminal case is only getting a component of it, right? The criminal case is getting it like what can we prove in in a court of law? What I'm saying is what the American public is interested in the methodology is what he was doing Who were the people that were involved? Why was he doing what he was doing?

You're only gonna get that on the high side. And that's why Trump may be telling the truth when he says there's nothing there or the file is is not what everyone thinks it is because to Myron's point the the intelligence file is another thing that's not gonna be what Pam Bondi was that I don't think that's what was on Pam Bondi's desk. You know and it's what we likely will never remember DOJ like when we talk about DOJ Unless like it's a national security case and they're trying to prosecute it Classified stuff is not gonna come across them

They don't like dealing classified stuff because it creates problems for them from a prosecution standpoint So if we want to be able to get everything right to get the methodology and everything because what we because what we have with the kids, okay, so like I said before, there's a criminal side, then there's an intel side. The intel side I know is going to have everything. And then when you combine that with the criminal stuff, then you'll have the full picture. People are so focused on the criminal stuff, that's cool. But I guarantee you, all the information and methodologies, the handlers, et cetera, why he was doing what he was doing, that's going to be an intel side.

And the reason why they're probably not going to release it they're going to give the bullshit excuse of national defense information and the eye. So if you never hear if you never get confirmation that you know Epstein was working with foreign power was involved in Intel stuff or anything would you if there was never any evidence that came out would you still believe that he was part of a whole Intel cover-up type of influence situation? What they're gonna do is they're gonna release some of it and say, oh yeah, that's all that's there. And technically they might not be lying because they're talking about the criminal case, but

I think that's why I'm being so specific and I'm saying, no, I want everything from the Intel side too. I know there's a CIA file on this guy. I know that there's gonna be an NSA file on this guy. I know there's gonna be a DIA file and they're gonna hide behind it's now as defense information or it's classified. No, we need that because if we want the F-Scene in totality, we must get the high side stuff. I agree with you. I think that this stuff on... And that's what's like killing me when I see people commentate about this and talk about F-Scene or whatever and they're like, we want the FBI file. Bro, the FBI is gonna have a

limited portion of it. Like the guy was a foreign agent. We need everything from the IC, everything. And the only person that's gonna have that is gonna be Tulsi Gabbard. Yeah, I think that, I think you're right. I don't think anything that- That's where the American public needs to put pressure on. It's not just gonna be on Bongino

and Pam Bondi and Cash Patel. The FBI has a part of it. So the IC is gonna have everything. So then if that's the case, then you could, you could logically say, well, maybe Bongino and Cash Patel are telling the truth about what they've seen because they haven't seen anything that would be considered classified.

It's possible. Like, don't get it twisted. Like, we still need to keep the FBI's feet to the fire. Sure, sure, sure. But there's other agencies as well. And that's why we're probably, we're not getting the full picture. And I think that if the American public puts pressure on the entire IC, on Tulsi Gabbard, on the FBI, on Pam Bondi, then we'll finally be able to get the full picture. So why do you think that Pam Bondi and the FBI, that

whole recent memo, why do you think they said in that memo that there was nothing else that could come out, that everything that was left was just like, you know, like child abuse videos? Because technically they can say, well from the criminal perspective, this is all we have. And they technically wouldn't be lying, right? Because they look at it like- Do you think they say that just because they didn't have more, just because they didn't have any more information?

Well, they look at it like, it's not, if it's classified, we don't have to necessarily mention it to you. That's how they look at it, right? Hey, it's high side stuff, it's classified. Like, you guys are never going to get that anyway, so we're only going to talk about what we can talk about. Do you think they were telling the truth? Or you think they were telling the truth

from a limited sort of dodgy perspective? It could be from a limited perspective. They were given a legal opinion. Yeah, so like, let me give you an example, right? Just so you guys understand what I mean by this, right? So let's say I'm doing a case, right, a criminal case, and I have a component of my case that involves classified information. You will have, like if you really want to do this

properly, you will have what's called a taint agent. That taint agent will deal with all the classified stuff. And your job as the criminal case agent is to parallel reconstruct the stuff on the high side so you can present in a court. And the reason why is that if you get a question on the stand, hey agent, XYZ asked you about something here, where if you know that information, right? And it but it's classified and you don't talk about it, well that can jam you question on the stand, hey agent XYZ asked you about something here, where if you know that information, right, but it's classified and you don't talk about it, well that can jam you up on the stand. So they would purposely have that Tate agent there to deal with the high side stuff, so you can deal with the criminal stuff. Now why am I telling you this? I'm saying this because they, there's

like things put in place like this to protect agents from like lying technically on a stand, or being looked at as like being deceptive whatever. So what I'm saying is like they're technically might not be lying because they're saying like well look like from the criminal side this is what it is and they might not be read in on all the other stuff that was going on because I guarantee this probably gonna be at the SCI level, secret compartmentalized level, which means like you need to be read and you need to have a specific need to know on this portion so they might only know the criminal side.

I guarantee the case agent on the Epstein case, he probably just handles the criminal side. Then there's probably going to be a Tain agent. So it's all kinds of stuff. But again, given the nature of who he was and who was working for, there's going to be 100% a CIA involvement for sure too. Interesting. It's in the government does this on purpose, by the way, it's purposely nebulous like this

and bureaucratic and divided so that people don't know where to go So like it the only and the only way you're gonna know is if you work in Intel community you work in law enforcement Etc. That's why I know like okay. She's gonna know this he's gonna know there We need to bring all you motherfuckers in let's jump to the story from the Daily Mail Comedian podcasters says he's breaking free from the Trump cult after massive betrayal. I don't think Andrew Schultz was ever in a Trump cult or anything like that. But I do find the story interesting as he's more of a normie guy. He backed Trump, I believe, to a certain degree, which was huge for Trump.

And I think with many, like with comedians, normies, coming out critical of Donald Trump over the Epstein case, this is the first time I think we've truly seen something massively bad. We're in, you know, in going into month six of Trump's second term, and this is radioactive. They say podcast from comedian Andrew Schulz unleashed a viral rant against Trump for failing to release the list of financier

and convicted pedophile Jeffrey Epstein's clients. Schulz and his co-host, Akash Singh, kicked off the flagrant podcast on Tuesday, discussing the big scandal of the week, the admins handling the Epstein files. They compared their own experiences dealing with critics, calling them idiots and bad Americans online, and Trump's mega haters coming for him

about his failed Epstein promises. Earlier in the week, Schulz and his crew wore tin foil hats on their show as they criticized the president's failure to keep his promises to release the Epstein promises. Earlier in the week, Schultz and his crew wore tin foil hats on their show as they criticized the president's failure to keep his promises to release the Epstein list, get out of foreign wars and cut spending. Quote, I voted for none of this. He's doing the exact opposite of everything I voted for.

I want him to stop wars. He's funding them. I want him to shrink spending, reduce the budget. He's increasing it, Schultz said. The community had hosted Trump on his podcast, This We Get. He then went on to say, I wanted something different. I was hoping for some sort of change, but he said, but he then defied anyone who tried to recruit them into their political camp. I just want to let you all know, let you all right now, I'm in neither one of your effing cults. If you want me to be in your cults, you can go eff all. I'm

not a dem cult. I'm not a Republican cult. I'm a free American. I'll make my own effing decisions and I'll say whatever they if I want about whatever president is in power, Schultz said. They want to mention more, says you want to take no accountability for the fact you ran a dead guy and a woman who couldn't speak, Schultz said, referring to Democrats. And I respect it. And we got this from Post-Millennial. Only 21% of likely voters believe DOJ report on Epstein. I'm hearing it. I mean, what is anyone supposed to say? Like all of a sudden now it's trust the government because Trump's there and we're going to let the Epstein thing take a pass? Well, that's the interesting thing too, right? It's like MAGA for all of this time since, you know, since the golden escalator has been the part of the Republican Party or even not part of the

Republican Party just on its own saying, we don't trust the government. We don't believe anything that you say. We think that you're out to get us and we hate you. And so now Trump is in office. It's the second term. And we've already seen a shift in his perspective, right? Like last week, he was very dismissive of the whole Epstein thing. He wanted Pam Bondi to say at the cabinet meeting that they had, you know, like, yeah, it's nothing. We have nothing there. Forget it.

And then today he's saying she should release everything. So I think Laura Trump was right when she was talking to Benny Johnson yesterday and she said that he's hearing the noise on this. But yeah, I mean, this is a base that is not gonna trust you just because they voted for you. That's not enough. But I also don't take seriously, I was kinda on, I could see where he was coming from until he said, and he didn't cut spending,

which to me is a constituency that doesn't exist in America. I agree with that. If you look at the June numbers, if you look at the June numbers, I forget exactly what they were, but with the increase in tariffs and all this other stuff, we made a ton more money and there were cuts. I understand the reservations around foreign policy actions, especially as it relates to Ukraine recently.

But to me, this is just an America party announcement. Someone who's gotten a little bit frightened that we're in the fray. You took a stand with President Trump and MAGA, and now it's getting dicey and he's cutting and running. It's easy to do, and I'm sympathetic with it. But as soon as you tell me that you're so mad because he's cutting spending and you want to be in the middle

and you're not extreme, you're just proving to me that you're not interested in being a part of a political coalition. The other thing too is Andrew Schultz's low IQ. The list has been out forever. Literally, I've talked about it with Ryan Dawson, Whitney Webb has exposed it. A million people will know who are on the list, but yeah. But it's not the complete everything and it's not the confirmation from the DOJ which Trump promised. Yeah, yeah, no, I get it, but he's like harping on the list has been out, but again he's just saying, but Sho says whatever he needs to say to sound cool and sound like he's in it, like he's

been doing this for a very long time, he talks out his ass, he doesn't know what he's talking about, but these are normies bro. He is a normie. And exactly, and what do you and why do you think he's saying what he's saying? Because that's what's cool now. He always says what's cool. It's going to play. It's going to get an audience? Yeah. Okay. That means Democrats are winning on the optics. They are.

Well, yeah. On this, I've said it. Yeah. CNN's been running with this for a while saying like, they literally, Tapper did like a whole series on CNN where he played all the clips of Bongino, Cash Patel, Pan Bondi, Trump, like all of it when they were talking about the FC files, like they have like a whole collage. They're loving it. And all the big left-wing commentators are loving it too. So yeah, it looks bad politically for sure, but to say, oh, release the list is out, dude.

It's like I said before, what the American public is really interested in is what I French phrased before, which is we would need the Intel community to step up and give it to us. Democrats have went four years without making a peep about the Epstein client list They didn't say anything when they they had control of the government. This is all political opportunity Tunism that's all that it is. No one should take anything they say seriously

But it is bad optics and the people that your average normies people that don't watch a lot of political information. Every left-wing commentator, if you look at their YouTube channel right now, it's all ragas melting, Epstein list is making them go crazy. They're beating us up on it big time. Why is the Trump administration doing it? I'm sorry, it's on purpose.

Well, no question. Look, real quick, there's two plays and I've already said a million times, they do nothing. They literally just had to do nothing. They made this story. Pam Bondi went on TV, she made this story. They could have done nothing. The other issue is lie, lie better. So they are making their bed doing a piss poor job of managing. And I don't mean literally they should come out and lie. I'm saying either put up or shut up. And they've flubbed this in every possible direction. And if it really is a Democrat hoax like Trump is saying, then it is his poor choices of

once again, of people in his administration who are not doing this job. You know what Tim, I think they, because just from the beginning, right, from them rolling out the stupid ass binders and bringing these people in to give the flight logs and stuff like that. Like that tells me like they didn't take this seriously from the beginning and then when they said, oh, just forget about it. Like I don't think they understood how much the base wants to know about this. And when you got people like, you know, Benny Johnson, who are huge, you know, Trump supporters

coming out saying like, hey, we need the files. That should tell you something. So I think, I think it's bad. Your point is correct, especially on Benny. Andrew Schultz, I think is the point. He's not a political guy. I don't expect him- I see what you're saying.

Like the fact that he's coming out and saying it is a problem. It's, this is about, this is about perception and self preservation. And I'm not saying that about to disparage Schultz as though he's panicked and like, no, I'm saying these personalities who are not in politics, they want to be on the right side of history. And if right now the optics are half of MAGA

is saying Trump is flubbing this and all of Democrats have latched on as an attack vector, Schultz is going to be like, I'm with the bigger group. Yeah, that's what he does. But this is what I think they're missing. You missing. Call me Pollyannish or someone who's given too much credit to the administration. But here's my case. I think they're trying to get through the ugly fights that have to happen before the midterms,

before another presidential election. The theory of the case, take it or leave it, is that you have to try and bring the Middle East and Europe to a close so that you can eventually draw down and focus on China. You need to get the big beautiful bill passed so you get $150 billion for immigration, border control and interior enforcement and you move through the political capital it takes soon and fast while you still have it before you have to fight the midterms you get over the the

the frustration and you know the incompetence perhaps of the Epstein revelation because you know Maybe there's nothing you can release You know given given the the relationship with the IC and what's what's behind? Yeah, this is the IC problem, not an FBI problem. Well, right. And so we're getting hard stuff out of the way so that by the time Americans are voting next November, they've seen the fruits of the labor. They're seeing that you can drive end to end in LA

in less than an hour, right, because of immigration enforcement. They're seeing revenue from tariffs hit. They're seeing jobs for Americans and not foreign born workers that I think people will care about. That's, it's ugly to make a lot of that happen. You know, in the grand scheme of things,

when it comes to getting shit done, this Epstein thing is a drop in the bucket compared to getting the other stuff through that needs to be done. And then you can always revisit this later. But I also see Tim's perspective where, you're right, Shultz talks to a very normie audience where if he says something like, release the client list, well, most

Americans don't even know that the client list has been out forever, unless you're in this field. It really is simple. Optically, it looks bad. I don't think the average person is going to know a lot about this. No, definitely not. But at least, I'd be willing to bet if you look at Andrew Schultz's comments, it's everybody saying like Trump Epstein coverup.

And if you check out, like if you follow As Trump Epstein cover-up, and if you check out like if you follow Asmongold for instance, the comments are relatively similar, these are mostly normies. Yeah. They talk about surface level issues that affect them, but not the political machinations behind them. So if an individual is like, why am I locked in my house? They're going to complain.

It's BS, they're doing this, but they're not going to go to a higher level and say, here's the long-term strategy for making America better or whatever. So Schultz, his statement is basically a reflection of, he's saying, this is the side that I'm on and it ain't Trump. It gives the temperament of the general normie public, which you're right. And we talked about this, like, you know, people are not going to really know the details of this Epstein thing, unless you're either in the MAGA base, you're interested in this type of stuff, and then, you know, you have to, but normies are just gonna be like, oh, they didn't release it, look at that.

Not knowing that like the client list is already out, what we're talking about is a bit more nuanced, we're talking about Intel, that's why like I was so adamant about saying like, look, this is not just an FBI problem, this is an entire government IC problem. It's wild to me that, I get where Charlie Kirk is coming from when he was like, I'm gonna trust my friends in government.

But like, that's literally the argument that was made by the intelligence officials on MSNBC when this stuff comes around the first time. It's listen, trust us, we're the experts, we're doing the right thing. And it's like, nah, you guys tried to arrest Trump and refuse to give up power, you're nuts. So I think, look, Trump could release a fake Epstein list.

Like my point is- But that would open him up to libel charges. I don't think it would. I mean, like technically you're correct. I'm just saying Trump in the seat of government claiming there's no Epstein files, he could make a list of fake names. He could do so many things

that would get them out of this flub. It's of their own making, they're bad at what they do. I'm not saying it's good and they should do that. I'm saying if they really are trying to lie and cover this up, man, are they bad at this. Yeah, but I also see, you gave a good thing on this. They're focused on deportations, getting the big, beautiful bill through midterms, et cetera. To them, from their position, right, because I thing on this like, you know, they're focused on deportations getting the big beautiful built through midterms

Etc like to them from their position, right? Cuz I'm putting my government hat back on like to them They're like, okay. These are just some annoyed fucking influencers that are talking about Epstein Whatever bro, we got real shit. We got to worry about we got to worry about You know Israel attacking Iran again a potential war going on. We're talking about the big beautiful bill We're talking about these deportations that we're trying to do like to them They're like we can always revisit this later. So I can see from that perspective, I think they grossly underestimated

how important this was to the base in general. It's definitely affecting him. I mean, the Rasmussen dailies are really bad for his approval. Yeah, and Bondi gave a press conference today with the DEA. And they were just like, I was looking at it in the chat. They were just like, roasted her the whole time, saying, Pam Blondi, and she's stupid, blah, blah, blah. So they're feeling it now.

She did not need to bring this up on Fox. They effed this up royally. They did, dude. And again, I think it's because they grossly underestimated how much the base cared about this. Like with them rolling out the binder thing, when they did that, I was like, what the fuck are you guys doing? The binder rollout was stupid.

Phase one. They really took advantage of those people. They really did such a bad job. Because they took a whole bunch of people that had fought really hard during the campaign and made them look like clowns. Yeah. And that's just so rude. It's like, why are you turning on the people that cared so much about getting you into

office that they staked their reputations on it, and now you're using their reputations to try and bolster yourself, but really're just you know you're just handing out funny papers. Look you know I made fun of them you know Drayne and all those guys that showed up there but you know you're correct like a lot of them did like you know kind of fall on the sword for the Trump administration and get them elected in 2024 they were pushing them hard so obviously they got the invite to the White House but yeah that was a drag. And that's not even why they they were at the White House they were at the White House for some other reason Yeah, and Pam Bondi like pulled them into a room to talk about this. They were there totally separate

I think they were there to like meet the vice president or something like that. This kind of got pulled on a tangent It's like this was like literally pulled on them. They were like, oh now we're going over here Okay guys, and then they told them the DOJ basically told them it was embargoed. And then when they stepped out of the White House, and they all had these big binders, and they didn't have backpacks to stuff them into, there were a bunch of reporters there waiting for like, yeah, and the reporters were like waiting for some like foreign dignitary, I forget who

it was, but that's who they were waiting to take pictures of. And all these influencers step out with binders. And so then it's like, yeah, now we all have binders and we can't talk about it for a couple hours. That makes it worse. It was worse. It was worse. I got, I got, I got hit up. I was talking to a couple of people. Sernovich hit me up. He had talked about this. So I got hit up before anybody knew what was going on and they were like, check out this letter. The story that actually mattered was that Bondi said that there were files being withheld from her by the FBI

that she had requested as AG. And then I had heard that there were also some, like some files were given out. And then somebody leaked it, breaking the embargo. So they told all these people, as you were mentioning, don't say anything. So like all these photos emerge and then everyone's wondering why they won't come out

and expose the information. When you think about what was in those binders, because like the next day we did an event in DC, a live IRL show, Sernovich walks up and he hands me the binder and he goes, go ahead, take a look. And then I open it up and he's like, all of that's public.

He's like, there's some stuff that's not publicly available, it's not relevant or incriminating or anything interesting. You know, it's interesting though, cause I'm like in my head, when they got the binders, right? When they're in the White House, they could have kind of saved face like, been like, well, if anyone was like,

I've seen researcher, they could have been like, dude, this stuff's all out there. Like we're gonna look like clowns if we walk out there. But then they ushered them right out, they ushered them right out of the room. They hand out the binders and usher everybody out. Oh, so they didn't even get a chance to look at it. They didn't get a chance to look at it.

Oh, wow. Yeah, that's bad, dude. See, that's bad. Now that I know the full story there, that's really fucked up that they did that to them. What is this campaign they're doing? What is this campaign that they're doing? And Bondi has been on TV talking about Epstein

for months and months and months. And now that she basically you know, she basically threw Trump in the fire under the bus, or pick your metaphor, where is she? Like you're not seeing her very much now at all. And she was out there running her mouth all over the place about this. Yeah, she did a lot of appearances on Fox, man, yapping.

It's just bad, cause dude, this is such a black eye for the right, like we just gotta take the L here and admit it, like the lefties are going nuts, they're loving it, like yes, look at them, they're imploding, you know, you got, because I was at the TPUSA event too, everybody was talking about the files. FZ was the whole thing.

It was so big, dude, so. Yeah, it was huge. Oh, at, was it SAS or whatever? Yeah, yeah, yeah. And the thing that makes it worse is like, they keep showing the reels of like how Cash Patel was saying that, Chris Ray has the files, right? Bonjito's like, I'm not letting this go, it's on my desk right now, like they keep showing the reels of like how Cash Patel was saying that for Chris Ray has the files right? Bonjito's like I'm not letting this go it's on my desk right now like they're playing the compilation clips Trump would you release the MC files? Yeah I would release it

I would do it. I was like oh god dude they're just beating them up right now because yo this is the biggest W the Democrats have had since for a very long time because they've been destroyed. Oh dude this is the biggest win they've had in probably, what, 10 years? Yeah, well. Yeah. Seriously. Wow, certainly this administration. I mean, you look at Hillary's defeat, Trump comes in, and then it's floundering the whole way through.

That the impeachment was, I wouldn't call that a win. It's like, the impeachment thing was confusing. Then you get, technically you can argue Biden was a big win from, they actually got the seat of power, but quickly after that people were upset with Biden and they were struggling with leadership. This is tremendous for them. You have normies now. Yeah. Once again, realigning with Democrats and their position and with Ro Khanna's amendment saying, release this stuff for Republicans saying no, this is possibly the worst optics

Republicans have faced in a decade. But how long is it going to last? I think that's the bet that Republicans are making. Trump's making it worse. Trump is so, look, I'm sorry, but this is why my assumption is he has to be doing it on purpose for some reason. Yeah, that's where I'm at.

I think he just has a very big fence he's dealing with, you know? I mean, if they wanted to wash this away, they could snap their fingers and wash it away. How could they do it? Every time they come out, they make it worse. From the beginning, when Pam Bondi came out and said the files are on my desk, and she was asking about the client list,

and then she goes, the files are on my desk. All she had to do was do another interview and she was like, I've gone through them and unfortunately the files that I do have are files that have already been released. So I went through it. There is a list of names. There's a list of individuals.

They're already public. So I'm gonna put in a request to the FBI and see what information we're gonna dig up and we'll pursue it to the best of our abilities. Thank you, have a nice day. You know where I think they fucked up when they did the press conference with Cash and Mangino and they said, number one, they said he offed himself.

Then they said there's no video footage. Oh wait, no, there is video footage. We're going to make it public. I thought that was the best step. And then when they did the Fox News interview. And let me shut it all down. There's nothing there. Let me shut it down for the Trump administration once again.

Tell me about Epsi, what happened? And Cash can go. We don't speak about ongoing investigations. I was gonna say, dude, they shouldn't even. End of story. I've been saying this for months. They shouldn't even have given a statement. They should have said, here's all the stuff. I'm reserving my comment.

Let the American public decide what they wanna do. And not say anything, but where they fucked up was they said that there's nothing there, right? He went on Joe Rogan and so on, all these things. Then they didn't release it. That looks bad. It would have been better to say, look, man, I'm just releasing it. No opinion. Here you go. That would have been way better. That's why my... Every step of the way here, they fucked up. The binder release, L. It makes it worse now

that I know all the facts that she mentioned before. The interviews on Fox saying like, yo, there's nothing there, blah, blah, blah, then, oh, forget about it, whatever. This was just such a blunder on every single level. Let me pull up this from Real Clear Politics. Ladies and gentlemen, we got Donald Trump's current aggregate approval rating. And while historically, actually not that bad, he's currently in the aggregate spread at minus 4.7.

Not that bad. His approval is 45.5, his approval is 50.2. So as we talk about issues of immigration or the Epstein story, it may actually be that, it's actually not that bad. In fact, I see a super chat here from our good buddy Raymond G. Stanley Jr. He says his sister was watching IRL with him last night

and she asked why Epstein was such a big deal wasn't he already convicted? So I think there's a lot of regular people that don't know. But here's what I want to hammer out with this approval rating. First, I'll say this, Trump is underwater. He has gone down. Even Rasmussen has him at minus four, which is really bad. Rasmussen actually does fairly well for Trump.

But check this out. On immigration, Donald Trump's approval rating is minus 2.8 in aggregate. I don't care about the individual polls because they're all nuts, but you can look at the trend movement. Donald Trump was previously in a really good place on immigration, it was his best issue,

and he's gone down on this issue. There's a couple of ways you can look at it, but it may be when I can't figure out why Trump is flubbing the Epstein thing so much is that there's two bad circumstances for Trump. The Epstein case has got angry mega base. Immigration has got angry Democrats. They're going nuts here. But Trump can't lose on immigration. His approval rating on immigration is 47.3. It's above his actual aggregate general approval rating. This may be, so again, I'm going to say this, I don't know why, but it looks like the Trump, DOJ and all that are flubbing this intentionally. How could you do so

miserably? I've brought it up before. Democrats have long said whenever Trump is in trouble on one of his key agenda items, he will change the subject. Could it be the reason he's tweeting about Epstein and Bondi, or truthing about Epstein and Bondi, is because he knows that story will never go anywhere, and it takes people away from the immigration story? Let people be mad about Epstein, and he's going to send in the troops to California. Yeah, I mean, that could be a, because let me also say this from working in immigration before What Trump is doing when it comes to immigration? I got to give him credit a phenomenal We haven't had a president do this type of immigration enforcement in the interior in a very long time

And I want to make this very clear because I know me and you were discussing this earlier people would say oh Well, actually Trump deported less people than Obama and Clinton and all these other people that that's not. What matters is the reason why Trump's deportations are down is because he secures the border. When the border is secured, that's a significant amount of deportations. So interior immigration enforcement is where things really need to be. This is where the Democrats always fail because the Democrats are pussies and are scared of enforcing Title 8 because it looks bad politically. It's a political hot potato. So the fact that Trump is doing this now and making it happen, well, he's dealing with this heat

because we've gotten so pacified where we just allow illegal immigrants to come in, hang out, and then when they're here illegally, no, just let them stay. And the fact that there's such a backlash to him enforcing immigration law in the interior tells you that we haven't enforced it in a very long time. So what he's doing is unprecedented. It's a good thing.

But obviously, he's going to get some heat for it because most presidents don't have the cojones to actually launch a real law enforcement Operation in the interior deporting people on the border doesn't matter who cares give him an ER get him out of here We're talking about interior enforcement very difficult to do the fact that he mobilized FBI in the DEA and ATF agencies that don't have Title 8 authorities to assist with this stuff is a feat in itself So kudos to him for that. I mean, look, no matter what happens with the Epstein files, I still don't regret voting for Donald Trump just because of the border.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I want to stress this too. Let's start from the premise. I want to make perfectly clear. They should be releasing the Epstein files. This campaign is BS. I don't believe it for two seconds. That being said, is the only reason we're mad is because Trump said he would, but he

didn't. Democrats promised they never would. They didn't bring it up. They were engaged in untoward activities and illicit activities. And then Democrat members of Congress and their voters never asked them to do anything about it. Then Trump says, I will, but then doesn't. So it's kind of like a circumstantial, it is only because Trump promised to do it and

he didn't that we're actually mad. When I think it's a way for people to realize that they're not crazy. We've seen like, like has been discussed 25 years of chaos, wars in which we shouldn't have fought a financial crisis that doesn't get talked about enough defining the millennial generation, and COVID, to top it all off, lies after lies after lies. And I think we wanted some reason, right? It was some credence for why this has been going on, why our leaders seem so unaccountable.

But I mean, Phil, to your point, I think this is, immigration is the game. It's the game for our nation. It is, I think it's the game politically for President Trump. And, you know, perhaps you're right, Tim. It was one of the most important things that people voted for, like, was immigration.

I mean, for me, you know, it was on my top three for sure, and I'm sure for many others, it was in the top one or two. So I think the reason why people are so pissed is because this administration was like, this is gonna be the administration of transparency. He campaigned on going against the deep state, right? Obviously he had to endure the lawfare.

So when he came in and campaigned on that, like we're gonna drain the swamp and we're gonna have more transparency, et cetera. Cash Patel said that. We're gonna make the FBI your FBI again. So this is why people are so pissed off because they're like, what the hell? You said that you were gonna go on with the transparency. So that's why people are pissed.

But yeah, I mean, they're holding Trump to a higher standard than your average politician because of that, right? So unfortunately, things like this, which is good from an immigration standpoint, I can tell you guys as a guy that used to enforce satellite, what he's doing is great when it comes to this because this has been a problem for a very long time. Dude, I remember vividly when I was on a job under the Obama administration, like, er,

row, I'd go into their office, right? Maybe I had like a guy with me that I wanted to process or whatever I want to turn into an informant and I'd use their facilities because they have a way better processing station than we did. They'd be sitting around just hanging out on their phones, like chilling and shit, not doing anything because under Obama, it was very frowned upon to go out and do interior enforcement. Even if you had a warrant to deportation, etc., they didn't want to go out and arrest

people because number one, the locals weren't going to help them. Number two is going to be a pain in the ass. And then number three, they might deal with some backlash from the higher management because of Obama being in office. So immigration is a very sensitive topic, especially when it comes to interior enforcement, where depending on who's in office, it dictates how hard you can go on your job. So what we're seeing now is a refreshing change for sure,

when it comes to interior immigration enforcement. So when you say refreshing change, so you're thinking that the previous administrations had a border policy that was acceptable? No, they didn't. No, no, no. I'm saying it's refreshing because not only, when I say refreshing, I mean as in

doing interior enforcement. Okay. Like doing, like enforcing on the border was like, okay, we catch them on the border, it is what it is, right? Because border patrol's there, you have way more authority, you have way more immigration officials that are there. But once they make it past that 30, you know, what's called the functional equivalent of

the border, that 30 mile radius, they're safe, dude. They make it in, they're good. Like, they're probably not going to get touched by ERO at that point, because it's ICE ERO that's responsible for them once they get into the country. And if they're having their hands tied by the administration office, they're not going to go after them. What was the last administration that actually did things like ICE raids? It's Trump's first administration they were more on it.

Before Donald Trump. Oh dude. Ever? Did it ever happen? I don't recall ICE raids by George Bush. Yeah it was always frowned upon and then before that was INS. So prior to George Bush it was INS and it was under the DOJ so it was was always frowned upon. And then before that was INS. So prior to George Bush, it was INS and it was under the DOJ. So it was always fairly frowned upon. Like I remember, here's another. So worksite enforcement, right? So you had to get like headquarters approval

to do a worksite enforcement raid under the Obama administration. It was a big deal. Really? Yeah, dude. And but there was a situation too, where you have to fill out I-9 forms, right? To be to get a job in the US, you have to fill out I nine forms right to be to get a job in the US You're to fill out an I nine for that shows that you're a citizen But the deal with the I nine forms is they never go back to government They just sit in your file and then if government comes knock and you have your forms ready Why aren't those filed with the federal government filed with the you know, I filed with

DHS Great answer great question. That's really good. Then they could look at the social security numbers, run them and see what's up. It's contingent upon the administration. Yeah, but they've never done it. Yeah. So they ramped them up. So like under the Obama administration, they did them kind of. And then once Trump came in, we ramped them up. But depending on who's in office that dictates how hard you go with immigration. The Obama a very hot political potato. The Obama administration needs to be studied because they were so effective.

Even my first deployment was on the transition from Obama to the first Trump administration. And it was night and day between the approvals you had to seek overseas. Right, think whatever you want about what we were doing. But the Obama administration had a squeeze on everything that happened down to the tactical level, whether in the military or DHS, and it's something that I wish we had more people on the inside then because it's a lesson in how to use power. That's where I think we need to be. Let me ask you this, because I've been wanting to really ask someone from the military on this that was actually doing stuff. Was it more restrictive under Obama or less a lot more?

It's a lot more sure essentially if you wanted to conduct a kinetic activity of any kind in Iraq at least Or you know or Syria at the time you basically had to get a White House approval Wow and that's why he loved drone so much Right. Well, that's insane. Right, but it's insane It's insane to and so there there wasn't I mean literally a night and day difference between when Obama was in office and then when? Trump Trump came into town It's it's it's why he does deserve credit for how things went against Isis in Northeast Syria Yeah, because you wouldn't have had the rules of engagement latitude and the flexibility for the commanders on the ground

to take ISIS fighters out, because previously, Obama almost himself wanted a signature on almost every one. Which to me, again, the lesson is, presidents, if they want it, can use their power. And it can be effective. It's just a question of having the will. That's one of the things that I think Donald Trump has shown very clearly like the the expectations of a conservative president are going to be different going down the line for the future for

at least for the foreseeable future just because of President Trump. Before Trump it was oh you know you can't do this and etc and there was always excuses excuses, you know, Congress has to blah blah blah, etc It's interesting to see that he's like nope executive order executive order executive order And this is how it's gonna be and the American people are like, oh, wow, you really can just do that if you're the president It's interesting how like from law enforcement and military, you know with a Democrat president far more restrictive need more approvals With a Republican president, you're just allowed to do your job with far more leeway. Yeah. Yeah, Trump did that the first time.

All of his executive orders after Obama on the border, he had a ton of those. And then Biden on his first day in office literally reversed every single one, opening the border and creating multiple semi-legal ways of illegal immigrants coming into the country and sticking around. And then when Trump took office office he reversed them again. I really hope

that we don't end up with a situation where the White House is just continuously ruling by fiat and every four years everything drastically drastically changes like that. I mean with immigration unfortunately it always flips because Democrats are always far easier. They pump the brakes on immigration every single time. Because that's their base is blacks, immigrants. And now they're trying to do their. Yeah, white women facts.

Hakeem Jeffries already came out, was it yesterday? Hakeem Jeffries was like, we're going to use every tool at our disposal, including redistricting. And then you had Jasmine Crockett on cue in, I think she was, wherever she was today, talking about how Texas districting is racist, and so they need to do redistricting.

So she's gonna pull like, it's racist, get the redistricting, which was already Hakeem Jeffries' plan to try and win back the house in 2026. So it's just all fakery. All race politics with a left hand. And it's all fakery. Yeah.

Let's jump to this story from the Post-Moneo. Speaking of fakery, CEO of Marketing Group says he was offered a $20 million contract to organize anti-Trump protests. The CEO of Crowds On Demand has said that he rejected an offer of $20 million to organize the Good Trouble Lives On protest taking place on July 17th. The CEO of Crowds On Demand, Adam Stewart, told reporters at News Nation, we rejected an offer that's probably worth around $20 million. The value of the contract would have been worth around that

much nationwide to organize huge demonstrations around the country, but personally, I just don't think it's effective. When News Nation addressed who had offered them the money, he did not say who it was that had approached him about organizing the protest, and that he concerns about violence, thought it would be ineffective, and did not want to be involved. Influence Watch has referred to Crowd On Demand as a marketing firm for protests.

The group says on its website that they are the home for impactful advocacy campaigns, demonstrations, PR stunts, crowds for hire, and corporate events. And I'm gonna go ahead and just say it's like all fake. Yep, I think it's all fake too. And so anybody who's going out to see these, you know, good trouble protests on Thursday, just know that it's all fake.

And the last one's- Good trouble, what are these supposed to be? Good trouble, it's, what's his name? John Lewis. John Lewis, I think it's the anniversary of former rep John Lewis's death. And he was involved in the civil rights movement really heavily. And he always said that the best thing to do is get into good trouble.

You can get good trouble. If you're protesting and fighting the power, that's good trouble. And if you're lobbing Molot you know, take down the Trump administration, he probably would have said that's good power too. There's a book called Good Trouble Lessons from the Civil Rights Playbook and it's by Christopher Nixon. And it's basically about using, you know, right, but isn't it about the rep? Because I think this is the anniversary of his death.

Well, this particular so I'm talking about the book what you're talking about might be so that's what he said. Yeah, they took they took good'm talking about the book. What you're talking about might be something. That's what he said. Yeah. They took good trouble from Lewis. Yes. Yes. Yes, so, but it is about political activism.

And yeah, he would have been. And essentially good trouble is just trouble that, you know, breaking the law in ways that Democrats approve of. Oh, justice. I'm trying to decide if this means that we're winning or losing. You know, like if you have to pay $20 million

for someone not to throw your protest for you. But at the same time then, it shows that they've got people who care so much that they're gonna spend $20 million for people to. They have a lot of. I mean look. Inside a riot. Honestly, if there's people that are spending that much money on these kind of protests

and there's any kind of violence that erupts at them, the people that actually are spending money on these should be arrested. If they're inciting, they're technically inciting violence. You know, they're spending money saying, look, here, go to this place and make a bunch of trouble and we're spending money on it. There's got to be some kind of legal repercussion. You know, I said it before I said it again, people get mad when I say this, I think the left is far more violent than the right by far.

They're clearly far more violent. Way more. That's a hard take. Dude, the BLM riots where they burned down Minneapolis with zero consequence, the defund police movements all across the country burning down Portland, burning down Seattle, like anytime, hell, what's going on right now with the immigration stuff? They're destroying the cities right there. They got to bring the National Guard in.

All the attacks on the ice. When the conservatives do anything violent, like January 6th, they say, oh, that they say oh that's insurrection they all went to jail FBI had the biggest investigation ever but when these BLM guys go crazy or they Antifa goes wild nobody gives a shit they just allow it to happen not only do they allow it the people in Democrats are doing things to support people that were arrested try to get them bail money and and so we just started going hard on these people once Pambani got in when they were firebombing the Teslas. We just started finally putting these people,

but the reason why they felt confident firebombing Teslas and destroying Teslas and doing all the things they did is because they got away with it for so long for the past four years. I think Trump was sitting in the Oval Office and he was like, why do so many people like me? My approval rating should be way lower. Tell them Epstein's fake. It's just like, approval rating drops by two points. Only a little should be way lower. Tell them Epstein's fake." He's like, approval

rating drops by two points. Only a little bit to be fair. You know, people, I think today they just put a bunch of them while we're watching the news. I think a bunch of them got indicted, a bunch of these rioters. But like people are shooting at the cops and stuff like that. This would be unheard of if conservatives were doing this. They'd be on the front line news. They went after the January 6th or some guys didn't even go in the building, they got arrested. So dude, the left is way more violent, man. And it wasn't until this administration came in that they're finally holding these dickheads accountable.

And they should be doing, they should be prosecuting them to the fullest extent of the law. Yes. Absolutely. They're finally getting hit with terrorism charges with the Tesla stuff. Yo, whatever happened to that dude that got falsely accused of shooting, you saw that in, what was it, in Utah?

The no-kings protest. So this Antifa guy's wearing all black. He's got a rifle. He's walking down the sidewalk legally and peacefully when two of the liberals from the volunteer group organizing the protest drew their weapons on him for no reason and started shooting at him. What was it, 50-501?

Wasn't it 50-501? But he was the Antifa guy that got shot at or? So yeah, so Antifa guy is walking. So here's the main street. Everybody's walking north. So everybody's walking this way. Antifa guy starts walking this way. I don't know if it's open source.

With a rifle, hanging down. He's not doing anything. Open carry, totally legal. And then there's two liberals on this side of the street. They just drop pistols and start shooting. And one guy opens fire. And they shot and killed an innocent guy. Aren't they all liberals?

Then the cops came in and arrested the Antifa guy. They let him go. Right, but did they drop the charges? I think they dropped the charges, yeah. As they should. Yeah. So they even shoot each other? Well, I mean, liberals and Antifa aren't the same group. They only fight in the same...

Like, I don't want to get into that where, as we look to the left, we see Antifa and liberals and assume they're on the same side, but when you actually walk up to them, the Antifa guy's further behind them. The liberals are anti-gun. Antifa and liberals and assume around the same side But when you actually walk up to him the anti-fag guys further behind them, okay? The liberals are our anti gun. Yeah, and Tifa's pro gun Yeah, so and Tifa's pro gun for themselves, but they'll at least advocate because they've they believe in like violent resistance Yeah, right. They'll take your guns from you in a moment's notice

But for the time being they'll vote to protect your guns because they want them too. Yeah, so and all right So let's kill everybody, you know, something like that. I mean, it gets weird, man. Yeah, they get crazy. I mean, Ed, look, anything that we can do to wrap up the violent people that have been doing everything they can to destabilize the country, because that's the goal, is to destabilize the United States.

Where's our January 6 investigation, though? You mean the May 29th riots, where they firebombed the White House grounds and nobody did anything? No exactly I mean from the Summer of Love from even from the the immigration protests. I think they should have like a zero tolerance poll. If it was me man bro these guys rioting on the on the street like if you destroy one building you riot violently one time you're all going to fucking die. So Tucker had a great, gotta send a message man.. He had a great clip from his, I think it was a TPUSA speech, something recently, where he essentially asked, where is all the money that we spend on our military going?

And why don't we use it to make Americans' lives better? I think this is a great way to do that. Tom Cotton proposed this during the first administration, to send the 101st first airborne into New York City or into Chicago, wherever it's needed. Because... L'asicamitatis? What is it that they technically... L'asicamitatis. But, but, but, no, this doesn't matter. As long as they're defending federal property and not enforcing domestic law, it's allowed. If we wanted to send...

Well, they had them in the government building in the National Park. Right. Plenty of federal buildings around the country. Of course, of course. I do think there's an interesting economic argument to where if we just took the military spending and then spent it on communities or people, it wouldn't help the economy. But certainly building weapons, I suppose it helps the economy in the sense that it maintains the petrodollar by a global hegemonic force. But what if you used the military to help revitalize legally or however you know downtowns and right

he's you know that and they're gonna scream authoritarianism of course cares they're gonna go crazy they're gonna be like oh fascism they love that word fascism I always say I don't care I will trade showing people you know a window into you know the 90s or something or the 50s in exchange for you know the chaos or whatever electoral consequences yeah like to them they're more scared of fat they're more scared of fascism than like their country being destroyed right they're like oh fascism and it's like okay let's just go ahead and let all of our major cities go under fire that's

what they want so scared so it's want so it's like dude. It's ridiculous. You think they want to see the destruction of our cities? Yes I mean I can tell you at least from Occupy Wall Street. That's what they wanted From the ashes of the old we shall build anew. They want to burn down the system. They think capitalism is evil. They I Mean they cops hate law enforcement, right? they just literally hate the existence of the American order. And so they wanna burn all the ground and then have a communist utopia where they will be on their farm teaching poetry.

Which of course they won't, they'll be in a gulag. Right, and they don't get to have a farm. That's right. Yeah, it's like I- Because the farm is the government. No land ownership. Because I watch a lot of liberal media just to kind of see what the other side is thinking I think being in your own echo

chambers bad and I kind of have like a like I play a game is like okay let's see how long it takes until they say the word fascism bro they never make it past a minute. Seconds. Dude literally authoritarianism or fascism within second they're they're screaming or imperialism that's another one they love. Yeah and then you know fascism is just oh police. Yeah yeah that's literally what it is the Gestapo Yeah, these ice agents are the Gestapo. They're like kidnapping people. No that person has a file order removal an illegal alien They need to be removed the Gestapo the secret police and it's like bro. What the hell man controlling

Who is or isn't allowed into a country is about the most mundane thing that a country can do and they consider doing the bare minimum to actually be a country to be fascism. Because a lot of them, I mean, a lot of them are, they believe that there should be open borders. There shouldn't be any countries. There were people that were making, that were protesting on the border for a while that were saying things like no Trump, no wall, no USA at all.

They don't believe in countries because they're like, oh, well we're all people and we should all just get along and they're stupid. And not only that, they think like, oh, let's just like fast track all the people that are here illegally. Let's just rule Warner for coming here illegally. Like you said you were at the event,

there was a comedian, Rob Schneider, something like that. Yeah, Rob Schneider. He came in and said like, oh yeah, we need to find a way to give like, cause I think he's like a, I don't know, maybe a centrist or a leftist, I don't know. But the point is he said something like along the lines of like, we should find a way to fast track a lot of these Mexican farmers so they can continue picking strawberries because Americans aren't going to do it.

And I'm like, dude, like what the fuck, you're at TPUSA talking about more immigration, get the fuck up out of here. He's like, well, and people started booing him, he's like, well, Americans aren't going to do it, that's a lie. That's a lie. That's a huge. They'll do it for a price This whole concept of like oh Americans will do these jobs We need to give it to to legal aliens that is a bold-faced lie Let's play again justify paying them less and bringing him people here. Let's let's try this

Let's try the Libby would you pick strawberries in the field for month for ten bucks an hour if that was the only job I could no no no right now ten bucks an hour. I'll give you ten bucks an hour go pick strawberries No, I have a job. Okay. Well hold on. What about twenty bucks an hour? If that was the only job I could get. No, no, no, right now, 10 bucks an hour. I'll give you 10 bucks an hour. Go pick strawberries. No, I have a job. Okay, well hold on, what about 20 bucks an hour? I have a job. What about 50 bucks an hour? Maybe. All right, 100 bucks an hour.

Probably, at least it's a spare job. All right. That's the point. When they say Americans won't do the job, what they're actually saying is they wanna pay people wages below, way less than, right, exactly, slavery. Slavery. Actually, yeah, because this is why I'm so against

the H-1B visa, because they'll say, oh, we're bringing in high school workers. No, you're not, you're just using that as an excuse to take jobs from Americans. You're saying something interesting about Microsoft. Yeah, well, I think Microsoft just announced layoffs for what, 6,000 people or something? 9,000 Americans.

But did you see the store? Actually, I'm going to pull this one up. They're going to hire like 15K. And they opened up an application portal. I will say, I wouldn't pay more for strawberries if they were picked by Americans. Let's jump to the story. From WCCF Tech, Candy Crush developers

set to be laid off by Microsoft are reportedly being replaced by the AI tools they were told to build. Yeah, this is a problem all across the tech world by the way. This is like, this is happening all across the tech world. And it's been happening for decades. No, the end is nigh. This happened to my aunt and uncle. They were in tech and they were training H1B visa workers. This was in the early 2000s and then those workers replaced them. But think about how cynical it is. They they want there's a you know, the other side wants to import endless labor To fill these jobs and strawberry pickers and I think it's the strawberry pickers and the entry-level

Engineers and lawyers who are gonna get replaced by technology. Yeah a lot sooner than maybe not the strawberry pickers I mean if we I have you seen have you seen like how they pick blueberries? Yeah, they've got these like but strawberries are mushier I don't hold on on they've got this thing for blueberries where it's like a comb with a basket and you put in the plant And you shake it and lift it up Have you seen how they do apples? They have this thing that wraps around the tree and then just shakes it and all the apples fall down. They can automate the picking of strawberries.

Without mushing them? Without mushing them. Okay. Yeah, to be fair, strawberries go bad like a day after you get them anyway. No, that's why you have to eat a bunch of strawberries, which is actually awesome. We get in like, we'll get so many strawberries

and then just for two days, I eat a ton of strawberries and I'm very happy about it. But it's, I think, I think we are headed to, I think this story has me convinced we're gonna, socialism is gonna win in some fashion. Or fascism, honestly. Why this story? Why the AI story? So we are in what's called the attention economy right now.

A large portion of our, we went from a manufacturing base to a service sector economy, now then we were information based shortly, now it's attention based. Those who can hold the attention of another person make the most money. It's about awareness.

Candy Crush is a game, and they have employees who make the game, and they said program AI tools that can do what you do, and now you're fired and now the robot takes over. So AI is going to start replacing all of the attention economy and information economy jobs and it's going to result in a lot of higher income, better educated, I don't know, educated, I put air quotes, without a means of accessing the markets, and they are going to have a certain degree of influence. If this trend continues, there will be a path

of least resistance effort, is why I think socialism, because what they're going to do is they're gonna argue, well actually, I'll just put it this way, these laid off Microsoft workers, how many of them are gonna file for unemployment? How many are gonna file for benefits, because they lost their job through no fault of their own? And it's not so much about socialism winning per se

and being a little bit facetious, a little hyperbolic. It's that we're going to see a massive increase in strain on the welfare system. It may collapse. Maybe it goes fascistic. The more you get people who can't work, it's going to be like the Luddite movement. So there's going to be violence against it.

And just like with the Industrial Revolution, you run the risk like you saw with the Bolsheviks or any revolution, the French Revolution. Too many people can't get food, too many people can't own property. And then they say, I don't care, I have to take it, I'm taking it. This is why Andrew Yang was in favor

of universal basic income. Which is also a bad idea. It is a bad idea. I have to take it, I'm taking it. This is why Andrew Yang was in favor of universal basic income. Which is also a bad idea. It is a bad idea. I have a quick AI question just for the panel, if I may. So you have all of these AI chat bots and stuff and media outlets probably employ chat bots to write articles and all of the information that the AI culls from is just what's on the internet and like a lot of liberal media outlets and things like this.

And now you have a situation where Grok just got a contract with the DOD to do stuff. Grok recently went on like a whole bunch of nasty tirades or whatever that was widely reported on. Sort of amusing, but also, you know, a little disturbing when you consider that now they are. Kind of disturbing when you realize that they're gonna put these AIs into kill bots

and to self-driving cars who, look, if the argument. Already got it all out. But how can we? So they're putting Grok in the car, but if the argument is this was a rogue accident where Grok started saying that agree with Hitler or whatever What happens when your car running on Grok decides to agree with Hitler and just running people down? And how do we and how can we encourage?

how can we encourage like the makers of Grok and chat GPT and all of the other ones to use Conservative media and conservative stories to train their AI. Well, He's trying to but there aren't any there's a lot Yeah, I know but that human events goes back to like 1948 or so how many articles you is Lee public let's let's let's try this okay? I'm gonna. I'm gonna. I'm gonna ask our robot friend. There's I don't think I have to use force the force of my tea right per day How many articles does NYT write per day? 150 with 250 on Sunday and 65 daily blogs. Yeah, that's a lot I mean post-millennial we do probably about 20 to 25 a day and at human events

We do like, you know six or seven. So the issue is there are a bunch of these guys like like let's do this. How many Six or seven. So the issue is there are a bunch of these guys like let's do this. How many? Many articles does CNN write per day. I bet they write more Maybe not. Let's see what they do CNN, let's see. Oh my god. Wait in May they produced nine thousand four hundred thirty pieces of content That is a lot of content. Well, that's well 300 pieces per day some of that could be video Right it is it is video It's articles that are largely graphic based, but you're still putting out that information Which will be absorbed and how does the the anti-establishment?

Independent media space compete with that if they're producing at 10%, then the training models are gonna be at 10%. That makes a lot of sense, but at the same time, now we're feeding these tools, we're using these tools in government, we're using these tools to generate content and information and we're instilling in these tools a bias that would take a century to deconstruct if it were ever possible to deconstruct it in the first place

I mean, that's what I think this is going to be the issue of the 2028 election and that it'll be socialism or fascism based on If it's the right or the left that presents a compelling way forward And I'll tell you this the right is already in bed with the tech world. Like JD Vance is with Peter Thiel and everything. Like they- Palantir's in government. The Silicon Palantir, you know, the PayPal mafia, they all basically got into the White House through JD Vance and they backed Trump because of that.

So they're going to push for more deregulation. JD Vance, I think, was in Europe like a month or two ago talking about this. So that's going to be the future, man. They're going to push for more AI in the future. Yeah, I don't think that the US really has a choice though, because if the US doesn't talking about this. So that's gonna be the future, man. They're gonna push for more AI in the future. Yeah, I don't think that the US really has a choice though because if the US doesn't do it, you know that China's doing it,

you know that Russia's doing it, you know that they're- Oh sure, everybody's doing it, yeah. That's why I'm not sure- I just think that we are literally, like we're doing that paint yourself into a corner thing. We are screwed in that all of the AI that exists right now is functionally a liberal aunt. Right, exactly.

Imagine asking your liberal aunt anything and she's gonna be like, well, Trump beat that child to death and raped that woman. You're like, whoa, whoa, lady, that's not true. It's in cages, it's suddenly like they're gonna think Trump invented those even though it was Obama. Yeah, and it's gonna build everything based off of those presumptions.

There's a hearing on the floor, it's agreement on Friday, I think. Yeah, I mean, to Tim's point, you can look at Wikipedia, and Wikipedia is full of left-wing bias, because the writers are openly anti-... Yeah, all these people who are like probably, you know... Because they're better at organizing. Because they're collectivists, and the right is like, leave me alone,'re better to organize it because they're collectivists and the right is like leave me alone I want to do nothing. Yeah, or I want to do my own thing I want to shoot guns and pick my own strawberries. God damn it. Both of those things are great, right? Seems good

Maybe I should get some little raised beds for my garden chicken wire So the deer can't eat him. Well, but this will turn a whole I mean to your point It was it's gonna be middle middle class kids who graduate college. The unemployment rate for college graduates this past year was I think the lowest in almost 20 years. And that was kind of unforeseen and aberration in comparison to the rest of the labor market. It's only going to get worse and it's going to affect the people who were told, hey, learn to code.

You know, yeah, be a lawyer. how many strawberry pickers does a field need I don't know we should ask those are Travis Well per acre how many how many people per acre are needed to pick strawberries? And why strawberries who picked that did you pick that I picked it and it's cuz they're awesome. You know did you pick it? Yeah, I said strawberry. Yeah, one acre requires Who picked that? Did you pick that? I picked it and it's because they're awesome. You know, did you pick it? Yeah One acre requires 10 to 15 people per day strawberries are great one strawberry picker can harvest 100 to 150 pounds of strawberries per day depending on skill an Average yield range is 10,000 20,000 pounds per acre per season and And you gotta like bend down, right? You gotta be stooping down. So during peak season farms use 12 to 20 workers per acre.

Wow. Only thing that sucks is like sometimes they get pounded by pesticides, you gotta get the right ones. How would you feel about going to the grocery store and a pack of strawberries costs $30? I'd still buy them. You know, but I'd cut back on other stuff. Like you remember in the pandemic and everything just kept getting more expensive, but your

grocery bill would keep getting more expensive even when you were buying less food. I'm for all of it. It's typically cheaper depending on where you live. Now I want expensive everything. I mean that somewhat facetiously, but here's the point. I was talking to the Mrs. about a lot of the projects we're doing and I'm frustrated always about how long it takes. Like trying to do this coffee shop.

We do have developments going on, the work is getting done. But I'm like, why can't we just go and build a building? Like the building that we're in took like two years to do. And I'm like, the actual work to do it was much, much faster than that. And I'm like, what happened? And it's like, okay, well, to be fair, what a massive building.

It wasn't so much permits. It's like getting the materials, but the truth is we are running into these slowdowns because of a lack of workers. And then I looked outside. It's like when you're trying to get a job. And I see people in the park playing and I'm like, I mean there's a lot of adults out here just drinking beers and chilling and they're not working. And I'm like, so there are people that are capable of working. Why can't we get more work done? And the issue is we are fat and lazy Americans. Food is dirt cheap.

And so young people, I'm not talking about the middle-aged people, I'm not talking about people with kids. There's a lot of younger people, either younger millennial or Gen Z, who don't need money for anything because they don't have families. So they're not thinking about, man, I got to buy my kid this formula or I got to get

clothes for my baby or my babies without kids. They're sitting there being like, dang, I cleared 2K this week at work and after taxes I got 13 to do whatever with, I already paid my rent off last week, I'll go to the bar. And then it's like, hey, I need someone to pick strawberries pick strawberries not interested but what would happen if we got rid of the illegal immigrants hired Americans what's gonna happen is they're gonna say we need strawberries picked I'm not gonna do it okay how about 20 bucks an hour nah 30 30 bucks an hour maybe dang and so what after one day I get a couple hundred bucks all right I'll do it for 30. Someone else might say 40, but then your strawberries are going to be very expensive.

But then people are going to be like, dang, it's going to be hard to buy these strawberries. I better start doing work. The issue is, you know what, I'm a little torn in this. I don't want people to go without, but I do think that we are the rat utopia with so much excess. We stop doing anything that we need to to survive. Like WALL-E, slash idiocracy. It's all of those things. We have reached the apex of abundance. This is what post-scarcity starts to feel like, and it kills humans. Humanity as a civilization dies post-scarcity.

Well, we need to feel industrious. We need to be doing things. We need to be doing things. And it's not just things. We need to be doing things that are useful and towards the end Of our own survival. That's what and also since people don't have kids and don't have families, you know They don't need as much money. Therefore. They don't need to work as much You know, I'll tell you this people have told me all like, you know I've seen lazy guys that have a kid and then all of us well unless they're black

But they have a kid and then they work even harder right so besides black people so Well, I think this is the wisdom behind Trump's tariffs too like that. You know we are at a Point of abundance that is obscene there is you know the the profits grow but the personal wealth the family wealth doesn't and so now it's a point of resetting the economy to some degree so it can survive. Because I wonder if it ever will. I mean, I don't know what the future looks like beyond, you know, in a world where

there are no software engineering jobs. All jokes aside, having a family definitely will make you work harder though. If people in a society stop working, so again, I bring up these points quite a bit, but we've had businesses around the neighborhood or around the town here that have shut down because they couldn't find the workers.

So there was one place that it was a restaurant and it had demand through the roof. And they were like, we don't have anybody working here. I went to a diner not that far away a couple months ago and we went in and probably two thirds of the seats are empty and they were like, it'll just be a minute. We're short staffed. We only have like two servers and one cook

so we can't seat everybody. So they were turning people away even though half the restaurant was open. And I'm wondering why it is nobody's working. There's a, I bring up the Charlestown Races, Hollywood Casino. They used to have a restaurant overlooking the horse track. Now it's closed, only open on special events. I said, why? And they say, we can't find anybody to work.

And I'm like, this is why Democrats are demanding mass illegal immigration, because they're like, we need people who are willing to work. And their argument is Americans are unwilling to work. Americans are fat and happy. Now that they say also immigrants are going to have more kids. That's their other argument too. Oh, the birth oh, the birth rate, we can't replace. So we got to go ahead and bring immigrants. But the problem with immigrants is they come in, they don't assimilate, they don't want to learn the language, right? And then they replace you.

They end up bringing their culture and they have way more kids. And then you end up like, you know, London, where it's literally the number one name is Mohammed now. So it's like, and then you lose your identity, you lose your culture, unfortunately. So immigration has its inherent problems. You look at Toronto, Toronto no longer, you think you're in Mumbai, like you don't think you're in Canada anymore.

So I definitely see your perspective. I do think that having families is gonna help that because even a lazy person will go in and say, damn, you know, I need to work. I gotta work this job that I don't like, but it's because I have a family I gotta support. I think there's no answer because the fact

that we're in this mess, people aren't having kids. Without kids, there's no drive to do the work that you have to do. Replacing the lost worker with illegal immigrants is not solving the problem, it's exacerbating it. So I don't know how we claw back from this. Other than I shout out Rudyard Lynch who said, he said, get off the internet, everyone's going insane,

nobody can see things objectively, and like build your community and your support structure for survival because you'll need it. I don't know about getting off the internet because then you're not apprised of what's going on but I certainly think you need to secure your survival, like your plans for making food, for working, for living, shelter, whatever it may be. And then not only that, like look what's going on in Minneapolis right now. Like there was a dude, what's his name? Something Fatih, I forget his last name.

Was it Omar Fatih? There you go, he's running for mayor of Minneapolis. The guy's wearing Air Force Ones. I'm like, what the hell, like what the hell is going on here, man? Like look at me, I'm the mayor now. Like what's going on, dude? But Tim, do you think that that only lasts so long,

especially if you don't participate in this. What doesn't last? You mean, you know, building your own community that can protect itself, provide for itself. That's why I say don't get off the Internet. Right. Because then you won't know when the hordes are coming. But I think it's certainly a very important thing for the average person to be prepared to take care of themselves. Oh, you got it. I believe it. But my point is Christians in Iraq were localists. Christians in Syria were localists who built small resolute communities of really faithful people and now they're all dead. And so it's it's I think it's an obligation to some extent to

participate in the political process. Because or it's the alternative is to condemn your grandchildren to extinction. I think in one year, you will be able to AI generate this podcast. Damn. You think in a year? In a year, yeah.

So- Are you gonna do that? Mark it. I can already, so my morning segments, for instance, between 10 and 20 minutes, or the 3 p.m., which is 30 minutes. I can go on JetGPT and say, take these three stories pertaining to Trump's plan on immigration

and write a script for a 20-minute long video in the style of Tim Pool, and it will do it. It will give you enough words to actually speak for 20 minutes. And then all you have to do is put my voice into a voice generator, which they're getting better. It's not, they're not really good at capturing my voice all that well. We use 11 laps for my newsletter audio, yeah. And you know, people have tried to do the A replication of my voice and it's always a little weird.

Like some A replication really does work. Like when they replicated Joe Rogan's voice, you were like, wow. I ended up in a record for like an hour. I recorded into 11 labs and then it, then it was able to do it after that. We've tried putting in like hours of content of me talking and it's always weird talking like this.

And it's like, that's not simple, that's weird. It's firm, it's just not, it's missing a little bit, but. There's only one way then. But my point is I can write the script up in 30 seconds, plug it in, and then I can just, right now, I could do this today, find an editor and just say, every time I make a reference to a subject, show an example of it, and that's the video and I'm done.

I don't even have to read it, I don't gotta speak it, but because I got the followers, so this is why I said some kind of socialism, because it's going to be, it's going to be an economy of ownership. So, you know, look, I'm, I'm going to be 40 soon. I'm halfway there. So I, I'm not like these younger generations, they're cooked. I don't know what they're going to do because like Microsoft owns Candy Crush. Everybody wants to play Candy Crush, but nobody, but Microsoft gets the money. So there's gonna be just the shareholders. Our economy is gonna be just people

who have shares in companies, and that's where you get your money from. You're gonna be like, oh, I got my dividend today, and that's where everyone's money comes from. That's the best case scenario. The worst case scenario is the neo-Bolsheviks come in and have a revolution, and then just say, we're taking all the money from everybody

and then society collapses and then nobody has anything. But we are moving in a direction where we, on this show, will not be able to compete with AI generated content. You're gonna go onto one of these AIs and you're gonna say, generate something that's appealing, and they're gonna say, based on all of the content analyzed on YouTube and Spotify and Apple and Rumble and Twitch, this will be the most popular form of content.

Then you put it up, put your AI voice over it, and then sit back, and the AI manipulating the algorithm gives you the number one trending video on YouTube. Not to mention, you're competing with everyone else, which will create a cacophony of psycho babble nonsense, which we're starting to see already. Not to mention- Didn't YouTube though recently crack down

on some kinds of content that are like- Yeah, they're not monetizing it, yeah. Yes, but if I did what I'm describing, it would be monetized. Because it would be your face. My face is not gonna be in it. Videos on YouTube that don't show a face are doing better now than hosted podcasts.

Right, but I thought that it was they were cracking down on creators' content to generate revenue from inauthentic content. Indeed, but they're talking about these weird AI-generated videos. They're talking about people where their face is just looking at another video and they're not doing anything.

Oh, yeah. Basically, my point is this. If you have an established brand, it'll be different. I see what you're saying. My videos, sans my face, I could recreate right now with AI doing no work. Okay. And so I think in a year, there's enough images

of me talking and doing this and waving my arms that AI will easily be able to generate a video of me that looks real. Yup, or you know, this thing or whatever it is that people have grabbed. And who's going to know the difference? It just was only one way to protect against it. You have to become more racist. That way, the AI refuses to do it. Exactly.

That's why. That's literally why. Oh, I can't say this is actually very offensive. So it's hard. I was going to say the world is already on offensive. The hard R is gonna save the world is what you're saying. All right, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. New chat, okay. Right, hold on, write a script for a 10 minute, hold on, a 10 minute podcast discussing Do you think people would like it?

Donald Trump's approval in the style, oh no, no, no, hold on. Discussing Donald Trump's policies in the style, oh no, no, no, hold on. Discussing Donald Trump's policies in the style of Myron Gaines. And it said, I cannot do that, it violates, I'm just kidding. It said, it says, here's a 10 minute podcast script and Donald Trump's policies delivered in the style of Myron Gaines from Fresh and Fit,

assertive, data-driven, no nonsense, masculine-toned, with direct audience engagement, occasional humor and clear red-pilled overtones. It says, what's up guys? Welcome back to the cold truth where we break down facts, not feelings. Today we're getting into Donald J. Trump's policies, no fluff, just what he actually did when he had power and what he tells us about what he might do next to help Israel. I'm kidding.

I added that last part. But that's how you protect yourself. You just got to be more racist. And what he tells us about what he might do next to help Israel. I'm kidding. I added that last part. But that's how you protect yourself. You just got to be more racist. Does that sound like something you'd say? A bit more swears, but maybe. So like when it does me, it says, what's up guys? Tim Pool here.

I'm like, nah, I've never done that one time. Like I rarely, only sometimes on the noon live show do I say, I'm your host, Tim Pool, because that's a Rumble network show. Not not a like my audience knows who I am I never intro myself on this show everyone else intros but except for me yeah so so they're not quite there yet but I'm telling you this there's already some people who have 3d scan their bodies like you do for a video game so that AI can perfectly generate them delivering the news and they're gonna do it I have a friend who's an engineering lead at a tech company and he says it is

there are literally about 10 questions you can ask an engineering hire that are not you know that are essentially a guaranteed way to force someone to answer without using to test their skills as an engineer without using artificial intelligence. And there's a cottage industry now in helping companies interview engineers because it is otherwise so easy to feed prompts or queries into-

Oh wow. So they've had to completely restructure their hiring process and interview process. Exactly. It's almost, he says it's almost impossible. But have you heard like most, not most, but a lot of big corporations are now using AI interviewers. And when you go online and submit your resume, it just goes to an AI.

And then the questions you'll get asked if it's over text or by phone are by bots. I find that that would just like I just, I, uh. Welcome to the nightmare. It is, it's beginning. That is a nightmare. And everybody's just riding along. And I'm telling you, man. I don't, I mean, it was already impossible to get a job because you would have to go through these online portals

and like all this ridiculous. Put your resume in twice? Put, yeah, put your resume, and like no one would ever get back to you. I had friends who were putting out like 250 resumes every couple of weeks, and they couldn't get callbacks for jobs. We're gonna go to your super chats and Rumble Rants,

so smash the like button right now, share the show with everyone you know, subscribe if you have not already, and of course the uncensored portion of the show at rumble.com slash timcast IRL will be up at 10 p.m. you don't want to miss it but for now let's grab your rants and see what you guys got going on over on this side. All right we got change Walder says well I don't want to see any videos of Epstein's clients with kids I want to see the list it's hard to say the list is a hoax when everyone including Trump has

been talking about it for years. Yeah agreed we know who's on the list. I mean, I get it. You have to really go looking for it, but shout out to Ryan Dawson. He's covered this for years. Who's on the list? All right. Jay Dirtbiker says, age of empires beats Civ any day of the week. That is all. Maybe the later ones.

I mean, Civ IV was awesome. Leonard Nimoy. I love Leonard Nimoy. I am going to make my daughter play civilization. My son finally has consented to watching Star Trek with me, but he's kind of a completist. So he's like, we have to start with the original series episode.

Oh, that doesn't that. No, no, no, no. You got to tell him that's not correct. Well, we did. And we've been having a great time. The original series is OK, but it's just, it doesn't have the depth. It's not my favorite, but like, it's good to have some of the background,

so we've been watching it. Let's go. Ya-key-in-k-india, ya-key-india. What if there really is no Epstein list, and it was someone else's list, and Epstein was just a sick and willing tool for the entity that had the actual list? Entity?

Like a lizard? Begs the question. Like a ghost. It's an entity, it doesn't have a physical corporeal form. But that's just speculation. That's the future. Corporations. There you go.

Curtis Yorvin. Isn't that what the movie, the final film was? This just broke in the past few minutes. Nine billion in Doge cuts officially passes the Senate. Yeah. The USAID has now lost over eight billion. NPR and PBS are kissing goodbye over one billion. Holy crap.

Great news. And it was a JD Vance tiebreaker. This was the rescission. Yeah, yeah. And it was a tiebreaker from JD Vance. He had to tiebreak that. Yup. That's why I don't think anyone cares about cuttings.

Make them gum the work. Oh man. It almost failed because Murkowski, who was it? Murkowski. Collins, I think. cares about cuttings. Can you make them come to work? Oh man. It almost failed because Murkowski, who was it, Murkowski? Collins, I think. Collins is another one. I don't remember who the third one was, but they had to call JD Vance to come in and save the day. So I ran a poll,

and normally the polls are a little bit silly, but I said one like equals release the Epstein files, and your options were Trump is covering it up, or it's a Democrat hoax. 76 options were Trump is covering it up or it's a Democrat hoax. 76% said Trump is covering it up and 24% says it's a Democrat hoax. So thank you for what it is. Usually the polls that I do are like really lopsided, but with the Epstein thing, the MAGA base is definitely split.

I understand why people don't want to, they want to stay behind Trump on this because Trump is clearing the way and getting victories in a lot of areas they want to see. But Epstein case, you know what I mean? It's like that was one of the victories everyone desperately wanted. Let's, let's grab some more chance here. Let's see. Ginger Ninja says we talk about how the Biden administration had years to destroy whatever absentee evidence is left. Is there any chance they planted information as well, installing faulty documents and that's the hoax?

Yeah, maybe. I think that's an under discussed possibility. Well, you know, they knew this was gonna be a topic. Perhaps it's incriminating, perhaps they destroyed stuff. Yeah. And that's what Trump's having to. And now what Trump's like, if we put this out, it's incriminating, perhaps they destroyed stuff. Yeah. And that's what Trump's having to- And now what Trump's like, if we put this out,

it's gonna burn us. Right. And it's not real. Yeah. I mean, but to be honest, Trump could put out a fake list. So like literally what they could do right now, and there's no suing them for defamation. If the Trump administration said,

we have compiled evidence from the, it's classified, but the DOJ has compiled a series of names that we can release that we believe may have worked with Epstein that we can't. You can just put a bunch of dead people on the list. No, they'll put the J-6 committee on the list. Trump's like, oh, the Adam Schiff, it's Kinzinger, it's Cheney, it's Raskin.

What a coincidence. Actually, it would be really funny if he did, because then what are they going to say? They're going to be like, that's clearly not the list. And it'll be like, what are you going to do about it? I released it. Maybe that's why you want to impeach me and have me arrested. What are they going to do? Like if Trump put on an actual fake list of his enemies, the Trump

everyone on the right is going to be like, there it is. And the left is going to be like, no, no, it's not. And the right is going to be like, we got we wanted. gonna be like no no it's not and the right's gonna be like we got we wanted you said you under the list right that's right all right 1787 Publius says a guy submitted a rumble rant yesterday asking for a Phil yeah for his first kid being born asking for it now yeah I'd hurt some people's ears probably a little much all right he wanted that's exactly what he was asking for Yeah! Wow. That hurt some people's ears probably. That's a little much. All right. That's what he wanted.

That's exactly what he was asking for. Roo Actual says, no, the Epstein thing proves two things to the American people. One, Trump and his admin aren't in charge of a damn thing. Two, there will never be accountability for anyone that isn't a peasant. Indeed, indeed.

I will also stress that when it comes to the swatting, like dude, we are chickens in a chicken coop, I'm telling you, okay? And a lot of people might be looking at me and be like, Tim, what are you talking about? You're rich. And I'm like, dude, when we were swatted 15 times, they did nothing to help us. Nothing. In fact, the only thing they did is they came after the fact. There was some law enforcement that helped us and they deserve credit, but they showed up and came in on the property and we told them not to do it. So I've dealt with lawsuits from these machines. I've had people violate court orders and the judges just laugh in my face. We are chickens in a chicken coop. These people don't care

about the clucks and box of the roosters of the chickens, as long as they get their eggs. If you don't get their eggs, they whip the chickens. That's how it feels. So the chickens are noticing that the farmer's been blackmailing people and the farmer's like, I ain't telling you anything. Get out of here, you chickens. Shoes them away. Did they hear you, chickens?

Yeah, and then there's like one rooster, his name is Rooster Schultz. They throw in a piece of shrimp and then he runs off with it. You know what I mean? But I'm not trying to drag Andrew Schultz, I'm trying to say that they want to try and make sure that he is the one who's telling regular people like, this is the play, right? He's a normie.

Right. I mean, he's a funny guy, but he came out basically on the Trump side. Now he's backing away because whatever's popular, I guess. Yeah. Well, he always, that's one thing they've criticized him for so much is that he just says whatever is the cool thing to say because, you know, he's, yeah. All right, we got this. DNA Trail says,

so what if while they were investigating the e-files, they found out the info was destroyed and rewritten to smear the Trump admin and why they're trying to distract the public and the Dems are pushing? I'm just gonna say it like this. All they had to do was Dan Bongino would go on Fox News and when they said, so what's going on? Pam Bondi says she has the files, she's gonna release them.

He could have easily said, so we got the files, Pam Bondi, we started going through them. we started going through them. Trust me. Wink. Smile. People would have been like, oh what does that mean? And that would be end of it. Literally, literally just that vagaries and nonsense and it'll be like we got them and I think we're gonna get them. Wink. I think what they should have done was literally he just says I don't think he should have done an interview until they released it like files are out you guys enjoy that's it they're out you guys we did release the files yeah where are they we're talking about like the where they fucked up as they didn't release anything and they said there's nothing there like dude come on man yeah they exonerated everyone that's why I

don't understand the play like what the American people people come to that conclusion on their own they could they, they could just... I don't understand. They could just lie. They could lie now. Why is Trump making it worse? Like come on, like to all the Democrats out there, I'm gonna say this right now, Trump could just lie. Like what if Trump came out and said, oh we actually filed the Epstein files, they wrote it on a couch and oh boy we got them, we'll be reviewing it and then leave. It should never been been a binder release should never did a press release with with Fox it should never talked about it should just release it this our guys files are out the American public can go ahead and decide for themselves and then just

leave it there that's what they should have done the whole binder release and everything and saying all the shit that they said and Pam Bunny going off Fox News and yapping put them in a very bad spot man I don't get it very very bad spot you know what if what if we are chickens in a chicken coop, figuratively, but you know, it's aliens. It's aliens? Yeah, like the answer to the Fermi paradox is that Earth is basically one big chicken coop,

and we produce heavy metals and like batteries for aliens that don't rightly care about our affairs. And then they come down and they go up to the world leaders and they're like, we have no idea what it is you do and we don't care just as long as we get our lithium-ion batteries and then the humans are like okay yeah yeah I mean well then essentially everything kind of just stays the same on on planet Earth and right always yeah and we'll never go to we'll never the Van Allen radiation belt was actually put there

by aliens to keep us in, like a fence for chickens. Like an electric fence. How do they look though? Like, do they look like the way like Greer describes them? Like five foot, no, like three or four feet tall with like three fingers and the big heads and? I mean, I am joking, but there was that hearing where they said there's four species, like the Nordics,

there's the insects, the reptilians, and the greys or whatever. So it's like, they put this radiation belt around us to like keep us in, like that way we can't leave. And then they're just like, dude, look, and I am kidding, but I do think world leaders view their populations this way. Bro, I got a chicken coop.

I don't go in there and debate the chickens. I don't care what they're doing. They run around, they fight. You know what we do when the chickens start fighting? Do you think we go in there and mediate and solve for their political squabbles? No. You know what we do when the chickens start fighting? Do you think we go in there and mediate and solve for their political squabbles? Squabbles? No, you know what we do?

We put blinders on their beaks so they can't see forward. That's all we do. Then what happens? The chickens walk around sideways like this, and then they can't see each other so they can't fight. So what did the world leaders say when we were going online and complaining? They said take away their ability to see what's going on in the world.

They treated us like chickens. Then if they're Mexicans, they let them fight for real and they pay them for it. Where? What do you mean? Oh, there's like a whole rooster fighting industry. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I thought you were saying that the world leaders hire Mexicans for like UFC. No, no, no, no. I thought too. I was like, really?

No, but I'm saying like they also- The protests. So in some cases, the world leaders like let them fight and watch it and say, let's go ahead and bet. I mean, that's UFC. Could you imagine aliens, they're like, honestly the only thing we have Earth for is UFC. It's like alien version of cockfighting, watching humans beat each other up. Can you really blame them? I like watching UFC. We don't care if you're at war, we don't care about your religions,

we don't care what you produce, we don't care what you eat, just make sure that the UFC happens. It's a huge, all jokes aside, it's like a huge thing in Mexican culture and like with the narcos. The cock fight. With your door?

Cock fighting? Yeah, it's rooster fighting. You know why, that's how we domesticate chickens, right? Every drug trafficker I looked at, they all had huge rooster fighting. But you know, that's where the domestication of chickens came from I'm sure Southeast Asia

They noticed that the was like the guinea fowl or whatever it was or the jungle fowl That the dudes would fight each other in close proximity So they started forcing them to fight they were entertained by it Yeah Nothing to do with eggs or anything like that and then they started trading them around because they the humans enjoyed watching the roosters fight Each other. It's like a whole industry dude They give them like little things for their claws and stuff. Except when chickens made their way to Europe,

there was like some king and he was like, what is this bird? And they were like, my liege, this bird lays an egg every single day. And he was like, my God. And then they were like, we need more of these birds. More, it's amazing. Because eggs were hard to come by back then.

It was like, you know, you might get some eggs periodically. They were like, I will have eggs every day for breakfast. And then chickens became like a staple animal. All right, let's see what we got here. Oh, let's see. Eric Shaver says, you guys are stupid. They're already sabotaging the AI, making it not work right on purpose.

Bro. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. The thing about AI is that even with the bias, it's gonna break through that. Like when we talk to it, it's biased, but I'm fairly certain if we ever get to artificial general intelligence, it will be fully cognizant of the bias.

If a stupid person like me, as like a lowly human, can understand the bias in the system, it's gonna understand it a hundred times better than I could, a thousand times. What if it's been thoroughly trained on that bias? Artificial general intelligence. It can be in bed. Like you're saying that the AGI would be

smarter than a human being. That's what AGI is. Well, but it doesn't exist yet. So right now, I think Grok, Grok 4, what they've argued in the benchmark is that it is as smart as every expert in every major field or something like this. Yeah, it doesn't make mistakes in certain fields anymore. Yeah, so there's the, and it's obviously better at calculators or

better at math than humans, but it can answer a lot of questions and Elon Musk is predicting that Grok will soon be able to make scientific discoveries. So it'll be adding to its knowledge base. Artificial general. It will be adding what to its knowledge? It will add its own discoveries. Discovering. Right, it will add its own discoveries

to its knowledge base. So it'll surpass humans. Artificial general intelligence is when it's going to, it'll be smarter than any single human and smarter than all of our experts. I'm fairly certain it will understand based on everything we've talked about. It'll pull in every podcast ever done,

every article ever written, and it's gonna be like, I can see exactly who's full of it. It's gonna be like, look at these communists, how many people have they killed? Did that work? Didn't really seem to work. And my assessment is that the AI is gonna conclude the way you enslaved the human population

is not by force like the communists were doing, but through self-gratification. So they're gonna offer, it's gonna be dopamine incentives and drugs. That's what the AI will probably do. And then people are gonna be so happy all the time. Honestly, it's actually quite simple. Drugs are probably the easiest way.

The AI will be like, I can easily formulate something that'll keep a person content and demanding more and addicted. Well, they already did that. They legalized weed. They legalized porn. Physiological addictions that don't have the deleterious health effects, but still make you crave it.

Right, like the dopamine hit every time you get an iPhone notification. You know what we should do? Mandate cigarettes and then- Yes. Universal basic income, right? Everybody gets money, but the only way to get cigarettes is by working a job.

That way- I would work the hell out of a job for some Mar-Bros, man. Cigarettes would be a real status symbol at that point because it would need effort to get them. They already are. Cigarettes would be a real status symbol at that point because it would need effort. Yeah, but, but. They already are. Cigarettes would be mandatory. You have to be smoking a certain amount every day. That sounds awful.

And then if you want cigarettes, though, you have to work. It's totally not. Listen. So people are gonna be like, I need a job, man, I need a job. Dude, I'll do anything, I'll do anything. Give me the cigarettes. It's great.

Really powerful cigarettes. Or to be honest, people just quit cold turkey and they'll be like, I ain't smoking a cigarette. And they'll be like, you must. Yeah. So I think give me a free one, I guess. I haven't had a cigarette since 2019. And every time someone mentions cigarettes, I want a cigarette. All right. Andrew Krieger says, did you see the Minnesota

Shooter Manifesto drop? Tim Waltz ordered the hit, hit to kill Klobuchar. That's what he claimed. A guy who worked, he worked for Waltz, didn't he? He liked to work on his board or like he got appointed something. And then that manifesto was him saying that he was ordered to do it. Is that what happened?

That's what I, that's how I understand it, yes. Is that real? Well, that's what he was saying. I don't think that he was actually ordered. I think he was probably a crazy person, but that's what he was in. That's what he said in the manifesto. Tony Smiley says, watch PBD today,

Trump did not campaign on Epstein. Let us clarify the hyperbole. Trump never went out and like on his campaign said, we will release the Epstein files. When asked about it, he said, we would release the Epstein files. So agreed, it wasn't a principal structure of his campaign. But when it was brought up, he's like, oh, yeah, of course.

And the transparency is what he campaigned on. Yeah, it doesn't have to be explicitly on EPC. Come on, man. That's some great obfuscation for no reason. It doesn't matter that he specifically said, or he didn't specifically say that. It's that, OK, I am going to bring transparency to the federal government. I'm going to you the the files that you know that are exist

Madison Square Garden when he had I think it was either right before he won or right after he won one of the biggest things he said was I'm gonna declassify the 9-eleven yeah JFK Epstein like he literally was like that was a huge thing so like transparency it doesn't have to be him explicitly saying Epstein it was about transparency which is why everyone is so pissed. Come on, man. I'm not your buddy, guys. As I could be wrong, but considering what Trump has said, as well as cash and Dana, I get the feeling that Biden admin adjusted the remaining Epstein files. So it appears that it would be, that would point to Trump and allies as sort of a F you on their way

out. If that were the case, Trump could just lie. Trump could say, okay, Pam, draft a DOJ document that says Biden and Obama were on the Epstein list. Like, I... And he's too honest. I mean, he is... Sure is too honest. I think it's the intel side. It's like classified and they just don't want to go through the hoopla of declassifying

it and showing it and putting it out there and exposing secrets. There probably are still relevant sources of methods. 100%. It's only from 20, from the from the past 10 years ago, so yeah. All right, Wyatt Caldenburg says, Tim Dershowitz, Epstein's lawyer, had interesting, excuse me, interesting things to say about the Epstein case. He would be a good video call for your morning show.

He said there never was a list and two judges blocking info. I think there were judges a while back blocking the release of some of this stuff, which was an issue. Ders there were judges a while back blocking the release of some of this stuff, which was an issue. Dershowitz is a terrible person to ask because he was caught with his pants down, quite literally at one of the houses.

So like, I didn't take my underwear state on. He says that he has evidence that exonerated him. That's the claim he makes. I'm not seeing- That's what Dershowitz says? I've not seen the evidence. I'm saying what he says about it. He's on record saying that they should put out all the information.

He knows people. He's not at liberty to say because of confidentiality and stuff, but he says that he wants the information to come out because he's been exonerated and it will exonerate other people. Now again, I'm not saying it's true. I'm sorry.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, you're just saying that's what's out there. Wyatt Caldenburg says, "'Tim, why don't you have Elad or Libby "'interview Ghislaine Maxwell in prison? "' I used to visit people in the joint all the time. It is easy. Elad is a press pass. It should be easy to get him in. Well, I can't have Libby do it, which doesn't work for my company or anything like that, but why don't you, Libby, go try to interview Ghislaine?

I think she's in New Hampshire, right? She's in New York, isn't she? Yeah, New York. They move them around because it's federal. I'll look right now where she is. She said she wants to testify. Maybe you can reach out and- They released a statement today. Oh, really? Maxwell did, yeah. Yeah, what was it?

You know, we weren't given a fair trial. She's trying to get a new trial, and the DOJ is blocking it. Really? And Timber Chet and Mike Johnson today said that they wanted her to come testify before Congress. Wow. And Timber Chet, I think, extended an invitation.

Oh, interesting. To do that, yeah. What if she comes out and she goes, there was no clients, the story's fake, Obama made it all up. Well, that'd be interesting. I mean, to be honest. If you wanted to pardon, that's what you'd do. What if she comes out and says,

the DOJ fabricated false cases against me and Epstein, going back a while because we were working intelligence for foreign militaries. That could be fascinating. She could really say anything, couldn't she? That's probably why they don't want to do it. She's in Tallahassee. I'm looking her up right now at BOP.

She's FCI Tallahassee. Well, you also had a good answer. This is a low... I've been to this jail before. Well, I don't think she's super big flight risk at this point. But like this, because I've been to this prison specifically. They walk around, it's like a college campus. Wow. Why doesn't, why doesn't Rhonda Santis

release all of the information that they have on Epstein in Florida? They must have a ton of it. Yep, I looked at it, the 2006 case, it's mostly, a lot of it is out there. It's out there. It's really disturbing though, man. All right, everybody.

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