Timcast IRL - Trump Deploys National Guard To DC, Federalizes Police, Liberals Protests Take Over w/ Vince Dao

Episode Date: August 12, 2025

Tim, Phil, Shane, & Elaad are joined by Vince Dao to discuss Trump deploying the National Guard to DC & federalizing the DC police, Liberals freaking out over Trump's calls for a new census, Hillary C...linton defending the violent crime rate in DC, and bots now believed to make up over half of all internet traffic.   Hosts:  Tim @Timcast (everywhere) Phil @PhilThatRemains (X) Elaad @ElaadEliahu (X) Shane @ShaneCashman (everywhere) |  ⁨@TalesfromtheInvertedWorld⁩  (everywhere) Serge @SergeDotCom (everywhere) Guest: Vince Dao @VinceDaoTV (X)

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Starting point is 00:00:53 BetMGM operates pursuant to an operating agreement with iGaming Ontario. It is done. Donald Trump has announced he is federalizing the D.C. police and deploying the National Guard to get the crime rate and the homelessness under control. And the liberals are coming out protesting saying he's lying. We've got reporters from NBC saying he's lying. Crime is down. It's not down.
Starting point is 00:01:24 A D.C. police commander has been accused by the police union in D.C. of flubbing the numbers. And the union says, actually, at the highest levels, they flub the numbers to make everything look good. Ignore the stats that they give you and just look at the number itself. When they tell you crime is down, say okay. Because the homicide rate is still 27 per 100,000,
Starting point is 00:01:45 which is greater than Chicago. It's not the worst in the country, but it's pretty bad and it's worse than many of our cities. Why would that be acceptable? But there is still a debate about the overreach of the federal government, a police state. We'll talk about that. We've got other big news as well, my friends. And that is, today the news broke. Kim Davis has filed a writ of cert to the Supreme Court to overturn Obergefell, which would end the gay marriage in this country as we know it.
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Starting point is 00:06:58 by Mary Morgan of Pop Culture Crisis. We're also probably going to talk about rabbits growing horns in Colorado. Hi Phil. Wait, what? Really? Yes. And tentacles. And tentacles. No, the horns I can believe. Yeah, they got both. Yeah, they're like little crackens. Are you, is this for real though? Like this is real story, you can look it up. Like an actual like NBC News reported kind of thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah. What? We got pictures in. everything. Hold that up now. Yeah.
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Starting point is 00:07:27 I'm an anti-communist and counter-revolutionary. Let's get into it. Here's the news, man. From the AP, Trump says he's placing Washington police under federal control and activating the National Guard. Good.
Starting point is 00:07:38 Actually, I think we can just play this video here, and you can hear from Trump himself. And we're here for a very serious purpose. Very serious purpose. Something is out of control, but we're going to put it in control very quickly, we did on the southern border.
Starting point is 00:07:51 I'm announcing a historic action to rescue our nation's capital from crime, bloodshed, bedlam, and squalor, and worse. This is Liberation Day in D.C. And we're going to take our capital back. We're taking it back under the authorities vested in me as the President of the United States. I'm officially invoking Section 740 of the District
Starting point is 00:08:16 of Columbia Home Rule Act. You know what that is? And placing the D.C. Metropolitan Police Department under direct federal control, and you'll be meeting the people that will be directly involved with that. Very good people, but they're tough, and they know what's happening.
Starting point is 00:08:37 And they've done it before. In addition, I'm deploying the National Guard to help reestablish law, order of public safety in Washington, D.C., and they're going to be allowed to do their job properly. And you people are victims of it, too. You know, your reporters, and I understand a lot of you tend to be on the liberal side, but you don't want to get, you don't want to get mugged and raped and shot and killed. And you all know people and friends of yours that happened.
Starting point is 00:09:05 Here's what I find absolutely insane. We are in the D.C. area. We're not that far away. We go there quite a bit. We were there over the past several weeks for the live Culture War podcast shows. Crime is really bad. There's tent city. everywhere. Homelessness is really bad. And we have to discuss security protocol for staff before we go because we know it's really bad and there's liability issues. It is remarkable to me to see all of these political class liberals going on social media, putting up videos where they say there's no crime. Crime is down. Trump is lying. It's a military takeover. I'm just thinking to myself like, who are they talking to? Because you know what? At this point,
Starting point is 00:09:45 they're not talking to people who live in cities. No. Because people who live in cities are like, I don't like crime. So is he talking to like the boomer in a retirement home who's not, you know, like Mark Elias is his video where he's like Trump is doing this to take over, just have federal takeovers of American cities with soldiers and blah, blah, blah, he's done it before, he'll do it again. It's like, well, D.C. crime is, it's 27 murders per 100,000. That's insane.
Starting point is 00:10:11 That's more than many, most of our cities in this country. That's intolerable. so it is remarkable to me that there are people who genuinely believe the lies coming from the press that crime isn't a 30 year low and everything's safe i i think that it's easy for them to believe the lies because they want to right like if if trump does something their knee-jerk reaction is going to be you know it's bad because trump did it or if trump's lying this isn't true that just seems fairly obvious to me right like that that's just what they always do they say trump said it so i disagree. Yeah, no, they've basically done the first, the full circle back to like 2020, where
Starting point is 00:10:48 crime is good and basically defending crime is their political position. But even then the argument that crime is down, even if you want to believe their statistics, which are probably fake, as we noted, the argument is basically, I think they said it's down like 7% from last year. That still means you're having a crime rate that's three times the rate of Mexico City. I mean, I'm sure many people saw the chart that was released today. It's like, you know, it's the same thing with Karen Bass and the homeless. If you have a problem that's at record highs and you bring it down like 2%, the argument is, oh, the problem is now fixed, and that's obviously such a ridiculous argument. And yeah, we've all been to DC. I was at Union Station, I think, last time in October
Starting point is 00:11:24 2024, you're literally stepping over homeless people in the Capitol. And I think that's also an underrated aspect of this story. It's not just about cleaning up crime. He's also trying to basically make it to where homeless people should not at least be in the capital zone. I mean, that's like the pride jewel of our nation. There's no reason people from this country and around the world should come to our center of our country and see that. It's insane. These politicians don't mean anything they say. These are the same people who said January 6 is worse than Pearl Harbor. And now crime is nothing. So they just pick and choose what's going to scare them and the people. And it was okay to federalize D.C. back then, right? It was okay to cover it and
Starting point is 00:12:00 barbed wire. Yeah. I mean, I just don't, like I said, it's just Trump said this. So, you know, they just have to say Trump's wrong. It was the same thing with like, when Trump was criticizing Haiti or saying, you know, Haiti is a nightmare, which Haiti is a nightmare. Total nightmare. And then Conan went to a resort with armed guards, went swimming and said, look how beautiful it is. And it's evil. It's great. I don't understand. Conan knew what he did. Yeah. There's, Conan flew in with armed security because he would die otherwise and staged a fake Potemkin show, knowing he did it. maybe there's something about communism
Starting point is 00:12:41 Potemkin villages. Yeah, their preferred politicians, the Clintons, are the ones who help destroy Haiti for decades. You know, literally Bill and Hillary honeymoon there and looked at each other and said, we should destroy this place. I genuinely believe look, guys,
Starting point is 00:12:56 I'm not one to ever just be conspiratorial as much as the media might lie and say that am. I always have some basis for my thoughts and opinions from some news report which can be troubling because sometimes often, they're lying. I genuinely believe USAID was funneling money to prop up media and big channels like Colbert getting canceled and whatever. I think directly or indirectly, the U.S. government, maybe it was USAID or otherwise, USAID or otherwise, was funding sock puppet account, bought accounts online to prop up liberal personalities to make it look like they were getting traffic.
Starting point is 00:13:34 because we saw this when Elon announced he was buying Twitter all these liberals you guys remember this they lost hundreds of thousands to millions of followers when Elon won the court battle and he was going to buy it was like someone at Twitter said quick
Starting point is 00:13:49 burn everything and they started eliminating millions of bot accounts I think it's the same thing the current debate with removing illegals from the census because when you even look at the supposed 50 50 split of America and how competitive every election is and a comes down to Pennsylvania. That's all fake. You look at the state like California, I mean,
Starting point is 00:14:08 massively inflated in the electoral count because of illegal aliens. No, no. What if it's crazier than this? What if the new census finds that we didn't track this, but there's census fraud? What if Democrats in California were increasing the amount of people in the census count because nobody checks? And it's going to turn out that California's actually only got 36 million people. What do they have? 50-something they claim? Not sure. 16? 16. How many people live in California? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:14:36 No, no, no, I'm saying total people. Oh, I don't know. The illegal immigrant argument might actually just be a red herring. The real issue might be that Democrats have been just claiming more people live there when they don't. 39.5 million. Right. And what if it comes out, it's like, actually, they added three to four million to the number, giving themselves extra seats without actually anyone living there.
Starting point is 00:14:58 That's dead internet theory, but in the physical world. Let me ask you, how many times have we or anyone else talked about census fraud? never never so I wouldn't be surprised at Trump doing the census move now if the reason they're freaking out is they're like it's not about illegal immigrants it's about you know they you know they do ballot harvesting and they do we watch them do it and people get paid to collect ballots why would I not believe at the same time they're saying you know that census form you got filled out they said three people live there make it six it's like when doge found all those dead people getting benefits right a hundred ninety year old guy getting benefits
Starting point is 00:15:34 still. There's a lot of good people who vote still. Consider how much that warps your understanding of American politics and the supposed competitiveness. You look back to 2024. It's like, wow. No, actually this country is not 50-50. It's the entire majority or split of Democrats or liberals
Starting point is 00:15:50 the past at least decade or so is essentially fake. You know, it is. I think the bigger picture story in regards to Trump bringing in the National Guard and taking over the Metropolitan Police is this another example of him flexing his executive authority on the Democrats. I think he's frankly being politically wise not to let a good tragedy go to waste.
Starting point is 00:16:09 We saw big balls get beat up. That was that former Doge staffer, I believe it was. And there's bloody pictures of him. And he saw the opportunity, despite whatever the crime rates in D.C. may be. He's like, I'm going to take over. And I think he's using this as a roadmap to do in other cities. He actually implied it in the press briefing today that he had, that he might do this in other cities. He mentioned Chicago. He mentioned New York. So I think this is just another example of him trying to flex those muscles. I think we should be honest here, too. D.C.'s an 80-20 area. He's taking control of where Democrats work and live and flexing his muscles onto them and saying, I'm going to bring the National Guard. No, no, but let's also not forget
Starting point is 00:16:45 that all of the highest crime cities are my Democrats. Definitely. And he's going to use that as an excuse to bring in the National Guard as well as a, not as an excuse as a reason. I don't think it's an excuse or the talking of Democrats. It's just a correlation, not a cause. So they're going to say Trump is targeting Democrats. No, it's just that all of the worst cities are Democrat. Run. Trump's not saying, I'm coming after you, Democrats. He's saying crime is really bad. I'm coming near city. Yeah. And he also did bring in the National Guard, people say, a little bit too soon into Los Angeles or wherever those anti-ice protests were in California. The city was already on fire. I foresee him doing that in other cities down the line. Look at the results of him bringing
Starting point is 00:17:24 the National Guard into L.A. It worked, right? Like the whole point of the National Guard going to L.A. was they were there to basically do crowd control while ICE did their jobs. If that's probably the blueprint that he's going to use in D.C. and other places, the military or the National Guard will be there for crowd control to make sure that people aren't interfering with law enforcement carrying out their duties. Because he federalized law enforcement as well. So if there's National Guard on site, it's only there to make sure that law enforcement, who is being directed by the Trump administration now, by the federal government
Starting point is 00:18:00 can carry out their job. Should he do it in other cities? If crime rises to the rate or protests or riots aren't going to be able to be controlled by the police departments that exist there. What do you mean if crime rises to the rate? You know what the murder rate in our cities is?
Starting point is 00:18:18 Of D.C. specifically, I think you said it was something like 27. You know what Chicago is? Every hundred thousand. Chicago's 20? Detroit is? 37. Baltimore is 45. So the question is, what do you think the line? should be for when he sends in the National Guard or has to nationalize whatever police the border.
Starting point is 00:18:33 You know, I'm going to be liberal and say 10. 10. Okay. But, you know, we can take a look at the per capita deaths of, let's do MoMA Sweden, because I went there and that was a big deal. It's one. And so we look at these other countries where their murder rate is one per 100,000. And we're supposed to be happy that D.C.'s got a higher murder than, what did they say,
Starting point is 00:18:55 like Bogota and Columbia or whatever? That's insane. The crazy thing is they're like crimes down. Yeah, but it's still 27 murders per 100,000. What's wrong with you people? It's like you're watching a dude smash up your house on fire and you're like, yeah, yeah, but they're smashing up less than they did yesterday. I don't care.
Starting point is 00:19:10 Stop them. Stop it all. So the Insurrection Act, this is a funny argument. Trump can invoke the Insurrection Act and deploy active duty military for law enforcement if the laws are not being enforced at the local level. One could argue that right now, any reasonable person would be like, yeah, Chicago ain't got no law enforcement. And the local cops might say, Our hands are tied. They won't let us do it.
Starting point is 00:19:31 NYPD might say the same thing. I say this. If the unions in these, here's a good criteria. If the police unions, I'm not a big fan of the police unions, but any public sector unions or any unions. But if the police union come out and say every time we make an arrest, they're let go, we can't enforce the law. Trump goes, okay, sending the troops. The police have said it. I think that's criteria. I suspect this will be the blueprint for many other cities when we see any sort of flare-ups. Trump has his finger on the button ready to deploy when he sees anybody, you know, challenging his authority.
Starting point is 00:20:04 I mean, look, if there's a inkling of any kind of riots like they had in 2020, I think it's a good thing that he's actually willing to take the steps necessary to prevent the riots from destroying property, destroying people's livelihoods, you know, killing people, which is what happened during 2020. So I don't think it's a problem at all. The federal government has the authority to do that, and I don't think it's an issue. I do also believe that the cities have been overrun with crime for a while. And I think there was a fascinating media picture here because Trump has a lot of Fox News alumni beside him at this daily briefing where he spoke about wanting to bring in the National Guard and such.
Starting point is 00:20:44 He was standing next to former Judge Janine Piro. He was standing next to Pete Hexeth, among others. So this has been a narrative, a correct narrative. When I say narrative, I don't imply this to be false, about how there is crime that needs to be addressed in the cities. And I believe Trump is attacking that narrative head on and trying to dispel it by sending in the National Guards to try to address it. So this is something that I think he thinks will play very popular with the base, trying to address crime in these cities because I think those narratives play very well on news networks like Fox News. You know, it's a winning issue, but I think this is also just something that Trump genuinely cares about. And a lot of other Republicans wouldn't think to do.
Starting point is 00:21:20 And why is that? Because Trump is a New Yorker. He's a real estate developer, right? He's someone who comes from the cities. I think he has a love for it. And I think that, you know, a lot of conservatives kind of have this mentality that, oh, if we kind of retreat into rural America, whatever, just stay out of those liberal hellholes, everything will be fine. But Trump is basically kind of taking this approach to that, no, America's cities are kind of the icons of our civilization. We should take them back back. We should make them safe and livable places to be. And that's something conservative should prioritize, actually. You know what I mean? Stop agreeing, Alad. People get entertained when we argue with each other. Well, you're about retreating from the cities. I think we need to take them back over.
Starting point is 00:21:55 Yes, let's go. Elad, you're wrong. No, we need to take the cities back over. We can't let Mamdani and these other communists take over. Trump needs to involve himself in the mayoral race in New York. He needs to tell Curtis Leewood to drop out. And I don't know if I'm endorsing Eric Adams or Cuomo here, but it's putting me in a really tough bind between Iraq and a hard place here. The communist. Eric Adams, the only person who I've ever voted for when I voted one time or Andrew Cuomo, the guy who did a shit job during COVID.
Starting point is 00:22:22 And it was allegedly groping many of his staffers. I want to jump to the story from Newsweek real quick. We've got this from Newsweek. As Trump floats new census, how many people really live in the U.S.? Now, liberals are freaking out saying what Trump is doing is unconstitutional. It's illegal. It's not possible. It can't be done.
Starting point is 00:22:38 I think, my friends, I'm going to tell you this. I have a couple of conspiracy theories for you. I think there are substantially less people than they're letting on. I think that it's entirely possible the census is fake or that there's census fraud. Why? We've talked about how Democrats bring in illegal immigrants to pad the censorship. I'm censor. The census number is not censorship. The more people they have in their states, the more congressional seats they get. Illegal immigrants count towards this. I don't even
Starting point is 00:23:09 understand why we even made that argument. It's much, much easier for them just claim somebody's there when they're not and no one checks. In the census, what is it? On the forum, they just say how many people are in your house and they just write a number down? The number is probably fake. Newsweek writes, President Trump announced Thursday. He was ordering a new U.S. census that would exclude undocumented immigrants, arguing that it's unconstitutional to count them, despite courts regularly holding census, must count everyone regardless of immigration status. With that submits on the undocumented population, varying widely from around $11 million to a size 20, just how big is the U.S. population.
Starting point is 00:23:44 Excuse me, they say currently, it's $334,0194,914,896. The figure was broken down by native-born population at 85.7, and foreign-born population at 4,000. 14.3, with nearly two-thirds of the latter having entered the U.S. before 2010. Out of 47.8 million foreign-born U.S. residents, 24.9 million were naturalized citizens. Democrats are freaking out saying Trump can't do this. We'll see if he can. But I'm curious how many of you think the census is produlent? So I think you have good reason to believe this, because I do recall a story, actually, where I'm actually reading right now, Key House Committee has begun an investigation,
Starting point is 00:24:24 the Census Bureau overcount, and undercounts that favor Democrats. in awarding congressional appointments and electoral college votes. I believe there was issues with this in the last census where it did overcount in the Democrats favor. The Census Bureau admitted it publicly. And after all, I mean, I don't know why no one's ever asked a question. If you were conducting a census during the COVID lockdowns, how could that possibly be accurate? Seems like just a logistical issue there.
Starting point is 00:24:47 So, yeah. Yeah, look, even if the census were accurate, I still think that redoing the census is a perfectly good idea because of the fact that the Biden administration left the border open for four years and literally was welcoming people in, you know, for any reason at all. So, yeah, I understood. I don't care if there's a reason or not.
Starting point is 00:25:12 If at this point, I'm like, we know that there's a problem with how we count people in this country and we're applying political power to non-citizens. Don't do it. My attitude is just at this point when Trump says, if Trump came out and said there's no reason, I just want to make sure that Americans are being counted properly and we're portioning
Starting point is 00:25:31 congressional seats, political power, and resources evenly, I'd say okay, if Trump came out and said there's crime and we're shutting it down, I'd like, yep, because Democrats have lied and run roughshout over us for decades. Nice to do it before the midterms, too. That's what's happening, maybe.
Starting point is 00:25:47 You know what also, the Texas stuff. On the constitutional argument, I mean, at least pre-Biden, most or at least a huge number of illegal aliens are here on visa overstays. So if you're here counted as a, if you're here as a tourist, you're not counted in the visa, but then suddenly after you stay overstay the 90 days, then you would be counted. I don't know if that argument even makes sense from their perspective, you know. It shouldn't. Yeah, it shouldn't. Well, I think one reason that Trump wants a new census,
Starting point is 00:26:12 it's not just, I think it's a direct, it's planned, right? He says, ice, lock everybody up. You self-deport. I think Trump's actually saying, no, no, even if we count illegal immigrants, we're going to find the numbers way down. It's going to change the game. If they want to redo the census, I think a key component here would be if they filled out and put, are you a citizen question this time?
Starting point is 00:26:34 There's legal lawsuit battles when Donald Trump tried to incorporate this during the first term. The question's super important because it either scares off people who are illegal immigrants from filling out the form altogether or it gives information
Starting point is 00:26:48 to the government of where illegal immigrants are currently staying, which would make them potential, you'd have the information to send over right over to ICE to potentially or they don't answer and then they don't get counted or they don't get counts so yeah so I think that's the important thing to consider
Starting point is 00:27:03 the last time Trump did it in his first term and he tried to include that there were court battles over it and I think he believed he ultimately lost that court battle but that would be crucial in swaying it in the Republicans' direction but I think we should also be honest here this is all just power politics and Republicans
Starting point is 00:27:19 and Democrats are just trying to justify their power politics I don't think people are being principled here, not whether that's good or bad, but I think the ultimate goal that the president has is to keep his majority. He does not want to have to deal with a Democrat-led majority. They would investigate every single thing that he did, and they would likely impeach him. And he does not want his final two years of his presidency to be like that. I think when you look at the facts a lot, you'll find that, well, the Republican Party is largely garbage. The right tends to be more on principle. So it is a, let's just say 80-20 on the right principle is going to be the guiding
Starting point is 00:27:53 force, 8020 on the left, power is going to be the guiding force. And the example I'll give you right now is, we know that crime is really bad in D.C. I'm actually going to pull up the proof for you in a second. Not so much the proof, but, well, no, we can pull up the crime stats and all that stuff. They're saying crime is way, way down. But when you go to the highest murder rate in the country. It's not the highest. Well, that's what, not Google, but. Detroit, Baltimore, there's high. As of 2024, Columbia has the highest murder rate in the United States with a rate of 27.54 homicides per 100,000 residents. So this is according to- according to who?
Starting point is 00:28:24 Braves AI or whatever. Look up per capita murder rate in Baltimore and tell me that's higher than D.C. I'll do Google. We'll take that one for now. But my point is, right now in response to what Trump is doing, you've got videos popping up where they're saying, crime is not bad. It's like, hold on, bro.
Starting point is 00:28:39 We live here. I see it all the time. We go there once or twice a week. I get dinner there. And I can see homeless camps on the sidewalk in the middle of the city. There was a shooting a couple blocks away from the White House. This is crazy. DuPont Circle.
Starting point is 00:28:55 There's been like multiple shootings, haven't there? Yo, at National Harbor, which is not, it's the DC Metro, it's just south of D.C. when you're in Maryland. There's a stabbing and a robbery
Starting point is 00:29:05 like our mugging every week or every other week. It's in the news all the time. Yo, at the National Harbor Hotel, some dudes with rifles shot a dude through the gut in the hotel. And the dude fled from the building
Starting point is 00:29:18 with bloodsprang, and this was a year ago. Like, and this is, this is, this is the DC metro in what is supposed to be a very nice area, very close to the airport, to DCA. This stuff happens all the time. Fine.
Starting point is 00:29:31 Make the argument, but it's down. It's still ridiculously high. Give me the context. If the liberals came on and said, okay, to be fair, crime is really bad. It's going down, though. So if they wanted to make the argument that Trump shouldn't do it because crime is on the decline, so he doesn't need it right now, it's working, I'd say, okay, I still think Trump should, Trump doing this, isn't, that, that's an argument.
Starting point is 00:29:51 I get it. I would just argue that Trump is doing the right thing by going faster. But they're not arguing that. They're arguing crime is at the lowest point in 30 years. So my point is call it power politics. When you take a look at this right now, Trump says, we have the DOJ
Starting point is 00:30:05 issuing the grand jury probe against the Obama gate stuff, right? As they should, because we know at the bare minimum there's probable cause that a crime was committed and we want a grand jury to determine whether or not charges should be brought. Their arguments, the Democrats, is that
Starting point is 00:30:21 that Trump is getting revenge against the people who tried to hold them accountable. But we know the criminal charge, like Letitia James, for instance, they're probing her, what did they do, a grand jury investigation against Serz? No, no, she was a penit, I can't remember. I think about mortgage fraud.
Starting point is 00:30:35 No, no, there's something recently last week, I was out because I had strained my vocal cords, that's what happened, you can hear me, I'm a little raspy. But anyway, my point is, Latitia James is crooked. Like, the felony charges brought against Trump were crooked, the civil fraud charges brought against Trump were crooked, we know that.
Starting point is 00:30:51 So Trump, so the DOJ says, we're going to go after the corrupt. And the Democrats respond with, he's weaponizing the DOJ against us. No, he's using the DOJ as it's intended to be used to stop corruption from you. So I get your point where I think it's just power politics. But if you actually break the facts down, Trump's right. It's crazy that this has been the case for 10 years. Don't care if you like Trump. Don't care if you like Trump's policies.
Starting point is 00:31:14 The Democrats arrested his lawyers, made false charges against them. You want to sit there and say J6 was bad and Trump did it? Okay. I won't even argue that. The felony charges on the documents being altered case, fake, beyond the statute of limitations, could not be brought. They brought it anyway. The rape charges, they created a special law just to go after Trump for this on a 30-year-old claim with no real evidence. And then you had the civil fraud where the bank said he never defrauded us. He actually gave us the documents and told us, not to mention it wasn't Trump himself. It's crazy. Trump runs a company. His staff goes to these banks and says, here's the numbers we believe to be correct. one of the papers in those documents says do your own due diligence we may have got some of this information wrong they said we will they came back and said hey you got the square footage wrong on this building and they went oops and they said we're going to lower the the loan amount because of that and said okay and there's a handshake everybody made money was happy and then he got
Starting point is 00:32:08 he got a sued by the state for civil fraud it's fake it's all fake what do we expect to happen the DOJ should go after the corrupt but they're going to come out and say nope Trump's weaponizing the OJ against them. They're evil. That's just it. And that's why a lot of the people who argue that it's politically motivated have no credibility because they were behind politically motivated attacks for so long. Shifts the prime example of this with perpetrate. How much you perpetrated the Russia collusion hoax?
Starting point is 00:32:34 No one should care what any Democrats say. If you're on the right, just ignore them. They're going to make stuff up. They're going to say whatever they can say to get their base fired up. they don't have significant political power right now. Steam roll them. They don't matter. They're going to complain no matter what he does.
Starting point is 00:32:55 So just continue with the policies that you were elected to institute. Let's jump to this. We have a tweet from everyone's favorite Hillary Clinton. She said, as you listen to an unhinged Trump try to justify deploying the National Guard to D.C., here's a reality. Violent crime in D.C. is at a 30-year low. What's this? from the DOJ, January 3rd, 2025. Total violent crime for 2024 in the District of Columbia is down 35% from 23.
Starting point is 00:33:20 In the lowest, it's been in over 30 years, according to data collected by the Metropolitan Police Department, and announced by the U.S. Attorney Matthew M. Graves. In addition to overall violent crime production, homicides are down 32%. Robberies are down 39% armed carjackings. And here's the actual post from the DOJ. And I got to say, wow, under the Biden administration, they announced crime was at a 30-year low. So it sounds like crooked old Donald Trump is just trying to deploy the troops for no reason at all. No reason at a, oh, from NBC Washington, D.C. police commander suspended and accused of changing crime stats.
Starting point is 00:33:57 Now, why would he do that? The union claims police supervisors in the department manipulate crime data to make it appear violent crime has fallen considerably compared to last year. Oh, so you mean crime's actually really bad? Uh-huh. Now, it's an accusation. we don't know for sure it's not definitive but it is funny that under Biden they're coming out
Starting point is 00:34:18 and they're saying straight up like no no everything's fine and crimes way down and then we get this story this was from three weeks ago July 18th this commander got was suspended they claim he was flubbing the numbers
Starting point is 00:34:30 to make it seem like crime was done when it's not anybody who has eyes to see can go to D.C. There was a really great post Mike Sernovich yet because Ken Delanian I think he's NBC he tweeted Trump is claiming
Starting point is 00:34:43 crime is up. He's deploying the National Guard, blah, blah, but despite the fact that crime is down, it's misinformation. And Sernovich said, I'd love to get you a GoPro strapped to your body, send you into some D.C. neighborhoods and you can report on just how nice D.C. really is. Yeah. I've made the argument with Chicago. Nobody took me off on it, up on it. I was like, hey, I got an idea. Anybody who thinks crime is like, because it was an argument out Chicago was being nice. I'm like, I got some neighborhoods. I can walk you through. And then nobody wanted to do it for some reason. These liberals, these leftists wouldn't go walk through some of these neighborhoods. Let's send Conan there. Oh, yeah. Let's send Conan to the west side in Chicago.
Starting point is 00:35:20 Man. So I, I, Google. I don't want to be liable for that, so. I use Google and it brought up USA Facts, and it says that Memphis is number one, St. Louis is number two, Baltimore, number three, murder rate. Memphis is number one for the murder rate. Memphis is number two, Baltimore, D.C., Birmingham. Chicago's not even in the top, whatever, 10, 15 here. really yeah that's what do you think do you have the numbers two per hundred thousand yeah homicides per hundred thousand Memphis 40.9 per 100,000 St. Louis 37.6 per 100,000 Baltimore 36.3 per 100,000 Washington 35.9 per 100,000. President has a lot of areas to send the National Guard, huh? A lot of cities. It is what it is. One of the most fascinating parts about all of this I believe is how again
Starting point is 00:36:06 the president is disenfranchising Democrats but in this particular case, D.C. Mayor Bowser is supposed to have control over the Metropolitan Police. And Trump just said, you know what? Actually, Attorney General Pam Bondi, you actually now control the Metropolitan Police. snapped his fingers and said, yeah, right now you are in control. So it's just amazing how, you know, the Democrats are being shoved out of the way, out of power by the president. And he really is flexing those executive muscles against these Democrats. Was it Bowser that denied his call for more troops during the inauguration? not the inauguration but
Starting point is 00:36:40 Jay-6 I think Nancy Pelosi was involved I think it was Mayor Bowser I just don't care ladies and gentlemen do you want to fight or do you want to lay down and lose I look at the rate of crime
Starting point is 00:36:53 in all of our cities and it was really funny I had an incident occur over the weekend I ended up having to call the police and talked about something and I was just thinking the whole time how awesome this cop was and I'm like Michael Mouse is wrong
Starting point is 00:37:04 you know he's like don't talk to the cops ever and I'm talking to this guy and we were shooting the issue and he's telling me stories and he really helped me out and he just said hey look man we're not like Chicago out here where they love crime
Starting point is 00:37:15 I started laughing I'm like that's why I left because we're in West Virginia and I stand by this small town local cops are real cops these are the guys that are going to be like how's it going to be like how's it going to shake your hand and be like what can I do for you? How can we figure this one out
Starting point is 00:37:29 and try and mediate and resolve these issues and they know you and they know your business and they even in smaller towns which are still pretty big relative to how big You know, like we're talking like 30,000 people is a big city at this point, right? Small town in the United States, but even in towns like this was a lot of people, they have a general idea of the coffee shop you go to and you can relate to each other. You go to New York, you got a cop who's got a low-paying job who doesn't live in the city limits
Starting point is 00:37:54 or he lives in Staten Island. He has a commute. And he's got a boss who's a Democrat appointed by another Democrat, and he does not know you and he does not care. So they say, stop wasting my time. I don't know you when I don't want to deal with this. Yep. It's a faceless crowd. I don't care. The local cops at least know. I mean, I've, trust me, I've dealt with some really bad local cops.
Starting point is 00:38:12 But more than often, more often than not, they know you and they want to keep their community safe and they care about the people there. So from WirePoint's financial news, I pulled up a top 10 list. It's very similar to what Phil pulled up. But they say St. Louis is 52.9 murders per 100,000. Is that what did you have? 37.6. And I'm not sure the exact date of the, when this was, this is a, it looks like this is a, it looks like this is a, 2023. Okay, this is 2024. Okay. St. Louis is 52.9 at number one. Memphis 38, Baltimore, 35, Norlands, 34, Detroit, 32. Cleveland. What? 30. Kansas City, 28, D.C. 27. Atlanta, 24, and Milwaukee, 23. So, wait, wait. Washington, D.C. wasn't on your list? D.C. is 35.9 per 100,000 in 2023. 35? Oh, so it is way down. Only 27. So it dropped off from the fourth worst to the eighth worst.
Starting point is 00:39:10 It should make gas prices, $4 to $350. I didn't hear one city that I think anybody cares about, though. I don't even think the president cared enough to mention any of those. I care all about all our cities. Have you been to the harbor in Baltimore? Nope. It's awesome. It is.
Starting point is 00:39:24 It is sad. It sounds like there's a ton of crime over there. It sounds like the president needs to send to the national. Well, the harbor is not so bad, but crime is massively bad in Baltimore. Yeah. It's a shame. It's bad everywhere. I mean, the city, New York City is brutal.
Starting point is 00:39:38 Like in Times Square, my family who works there, they're seeing crazies off every day in the daylight. And they're saying it's like how it was in the 70s when it was war zone. That's a little bit crazy of a comparison, but there's a lot of crime. Well, how old are you? How old are you?
Starting point is 00:39:51 Right. And they're like in their 60s who lived through the 70s of the city when it was a total bombed out. Sure. I think we could pull up the crime rates, though, of like the murder per capita. Yeah, I'm sure you could.
Starting point is 00:39:59 But they lived through this. And a lot of people are getting shot at constantly. There's people getting shot in the daylight on 44th Street. which is stuff they you know they worked there all the time and this is stuff that was not happening you know up until the last few years four or five years and it reminds them of how deranged it was throughout the 70s when that city was on fire you know that's when berkowitz was doing his thing so maybe we have a burkowitz coming was doing his thing you know talking to the dogs and i think the president is also kind of anticipating the socialist mayor winning mom dany in new york city and this will be a blueprint for when things go stray in new york city he's just going to be ready to have his finger on the button and send to the national guard a suit as soon as things go wrong over there. Look how bad the subways are there? How bad are the subways?
Starting point is 00:40:42 Corpses are getting raped. That's pretty bad. There's people lighting themselves on fire. There's robots patrolling the subways. It sounds pretty dystopian. Yeah, man, three guys got shot near where we were at that event. In the city? DuPont, just recently the 27th of July.
Starting point is 00:40:56 Wow. Yeah. But it's all cities. I think it's not unique to all cities. It's just some cities have it more than others. Yeah, I think some cities are a lot worse than others. So, again, New York City didn't crack the what top? 10, 20, or whatever cities that we spoke of. So you have to look at this per 100,000.
Starting point is 00:41:11 I do also find a fascinating that. President Trump mentioned the youth, the youth mobs that are running through D.C. I still find that euphemism fascinating. We're talking about 14, 15, 16, 17-year-old, black or brown boys running around committing crimes, shooting guns. Judge Janine Piro actually mentioned it in today's briefing how, you know, they are unable to charge young men as they ride the line of certain crimes because they're charged as minors. And, you know, she said they're serious criminals who need to be gone after. I think President Trump also put out on a truth social that he wants to go after minors, criminal minors, who commit these crimes, which is something, is certainly something. There's kids killing people. It's crazy.
Starting point is 00:41:51 Yeah, I'm not sure. I don't know that that will actually fix anything. If they go after minors, I don't have a problem with it, to be honest with you. If you commit crimes like that, you're pretty well. I mean, you kind of know what you're doing. Well, it's these youths, these Y-Ns were really behind the carjackings, the murderings, the robberies that we're seeing in a lot of these cities. I know there's a popular trend of like stealing these, was it, Kios or whatever car, there was a certain hack that was easy to rob. And we've been seeing, there was a trend among, you know, these young kids looking for thrills, looking to steal stuff, with their low inhibitions as they're still young. But causing a ton of damage and a ton of violence. Well, yeah, I mean, they're also committing murder.
Starting point is 00:42:30 You know, it's not like, it's not like they're late 20s people that are committing these murders. So if the, if the solution is take these kids off the street and put them in some kind of juvenile detention or whatever and carry it over into regular prison when they reach 18, I think that might, if that's the solution that they have to go with, that's what they have to go with. I also think when you de-incentivize something, you get less of it. You incentivize, you get more of it. So how many do you think will just kind of ease off or stop doing this because of it? I'm not sure. I don't know. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:43:01 So, like, if they change the crime such that you could go after a 15 or 16 year old for doing a carjacking or murdering somebody, I don't know if it would go down because I don't know if the kids with low inhibitions at 14, 15, 16 care about the law to begin with or know the consequences. I think a lot of it has to do with nihilism and younger people. They have no meaning in their lives and they don't really care about the consequences. Well, these are like, but there's got to be in other neighborhoods. There's low income housing. D.C. is full of low income housing. You're going to end up in jail.
Starting point is 00:43:30 anyway. Single parent household. Drugs are running rampant. Homelessness is rampant in some part of D.C. You have these kind of like everything looks like crap in so much of the city. That's an argument for the broken windows policy, right? If you try to make these places look
Starting point is 00:43:46 better, then people aren't going to think that they're just garbage neighborhoods. And granted, it's not a fix-all, but it's something that it's worth doing because it's worked in New York. In the 90s, that was something that Rudy Giuliani did. And it worked. He did ship all the homeless to my neck of the woods.
Starting point is 00:44:04 Sorry about that. And Uber got hit hard. I mean, but it definitely cleaned up the city. Oh, yeah, that was funny. We can't open up asylums. Then I mean, they have to go somewhere. Asylums. They should open up the asylum. I thought that there was an executive order. I think he was implying that he was just going to push them out. He was like, I don't care where you go, but you can't stay in D.C. Well, the scary thing about the asylums is when the liberal pharmaceutical doctors, they look at Shane and they say, so you believe that, clouds are fake. And then...
Starting point is 00:44:32 Yes, sir. And then, okay, right this way, sir, and then you can't leave. Yep. If institutions are reopened, what percent of the company gets institutionalized? A company? Yeah, Timcast, this company. Oh, everybody. Everybody?
Starting point is 00:44:43 Yeah, they're going to be like, they call me a far-right conspiracy theorist, and they're going to be like, yeah, oh, what's that? You think that there's a cabal of elites who are orchestrating global events? And I'll be like, they're called politicians. And they're going to be like, lock them up. I'll call our APAC guys. I'll make sure we get to say. Yes.
Starting point is 00:44:57 Shane, you're off first. That's going to help. We're throwing you in the gulag first. Good, good. It's going to be awesome there. The other day, Elad fell on the scooter, and two APAC guys ran in and carried him out in the hospital. And we were like, whoa, that was weird. And they were like, sue him, sue him. And I was like, no, no, he's a good boss.
Starting point is 00:45:10 He's a good guy. He's one of the good ones. They were like, are you sure you could get a big settlement out of him? They said, no, okay, I signed a contract. They said, no, we could get out of it. And I was like, do I really want to screw Tim over like this? He wears the big hat. I don't know what's under it.
Starting point is 00:45:22 Actually, I do. I saw a video of what's under it. There's a little head. On the Matan thing, there were some ideas for jokes that I could have done, putting a Yamaka under my beanie. It should have been a beanie, but a much smaller beanie. Matan was said that. He was like, you're going to pull your head off and there's a smaller hat or something. Do people know that you actually shaved your head for that bit?
Starting point is 00:45:42 Yeah. It was a full head of hair that shaved off. No, the funny thing is that some outlet wrote Tim Poole has full head of hair, and I was like, and then people respond with like, whoa, I didn't think that was going to happen. And I'm like, people believe the craziest things. It's so weird. We got Tim without a beanie before the Epstein files. He believed. Let's jump to this next story.
Starting point is 00:46:01 We got this from TechRadar. Bots now account for over half of all internet traffic. And this is an old story. I don't care about this one. I bring this up to make a point. Last week, we were looking at Google search trending data. The top trending story on Wednesday was Intel CEO. And it had 10,000 searches.
Starting point is 00:46:20 And I thought to myself, how is it possible? at like 11 in the morning, workday business hours, the top search trend on Google was only 10,000 searches. I thought there were 334 million people in this country. So I have a couple theories. I tweeted this. I said the dead internet is being exposed. I wonder how much of USAID money was funding bots
Starting point is 00:46:44 to make certain content appear popular. The reason why I associate USAID with this is just because it was a massive slush fund that USAID, we know, was swaying public opinion in foreign countries. For example, their involvement with supporting protest groups in Ukraine. Those protest groups were very much pro-EU, and so this was the general idea. Would it be at all absurd to think maybe some of that money was being used on American influence campaigns to control popular opinion in the United States?
Starting point is 00:47:15 Trump shuts it down, and all of a sudden, what do we see? Some just say, well, it's an off year and search traffic is that. down. I made a couple of points. One theory is that no young people, I have another tweet that's gone viral and I said, you're going to notice it more every year. It's going to get worse. Less and less people here, less sales, less viewers. We went to Chicago 4th of July. Nobody was anywhere. I went to my neighborhood. When I was a kid, you drive down every block, they were basically block parties happening. Everybody was out in their block. Kids were in the middle of the street, lighten off little UFOs floating in the air
Starting point is 00:47:52 and bottle rockets, every alley exploding every possible direction all day. You go to the park, there's baseball games, and it was crazy. Went back to my neighbor on the 4th of July, no one anywhere. And my friend said it's because they're all on the internet. And I went, make sense.
Starting point is 00:48:08 And then we checked the numbers on the internet. Internet numbers are way down. And people say, oh, it's the summer, everyone's outside. Not true. So what is really happening? I think it is summer. Some people are outside. There are less people because nobody had kids 20 years ago. But I do think something has happened in the system where for some reason, the massive bot accounts are starting to disappear.
Starting point is 00:48:33 They're not being operated anymore. And so the hard numbers on all these channels are starting to go away. Maybe it's just decentralization. There's too many social media platforms. I don't think that explains it. I don't think it explains how across the board all forms of content, online, video game numbers, everything has gone down, and it's around the same time that USAID went belly up formally. Maybe that is a spurious correlation, but I'm going to say,
Starting point is 00:49:03 you know what, I think there's a probability this is the case. Yeah, wasn't that the problem when Elon was buying Twitter and they were worried about how many ad clicks people were getting because you were saying there was bots, it was mostly bots, and you could look at things like a, there was like a Katie Perry tweet and it had thousands of comments, but they were all the same comment from, they looked like really shady, bogus accounts. And he's like, well, how much of these advertisers paying for for nothing? You know, it's the appearance of something. Well, here's the story from the Washington Times, prominent.
Starting point is 00:49:31 This is three years ago. Prominent liberals report lost Twitter followers after Musk takeover. Was it something I said? So what had happened was, look at this. They say, let's see, all three Twitter accounts are extremely popular, blah, blah, blah. Mark Hammer retweeted, let me find that. What are they saying? They say, Ms. Tannen's account had almost 394.
Starting point is 00:49:50 thousand followers. Hogg had 1.1 million. Hamlet, five million. None of them blame Musk. Numerous prominent liberals complained Monday evening that they were losing Twitter followers in the hours after it was announced Elon would buy the platform. This wasn't when Elon did buy it. It was when it was announced that he would. We saw this Hillary Clinton started the ball saying just lost 2,000 followers, anyone else losing followers. David Hogg responded in agreement, oh, do we actually have his tweet? I bet he deleted it. Nope. He says, I thought it was just some really bad takes I posted, but I guess not. I alone minus 3,000 today. Now it's 5,000.
Starting point is 00:50:22 People made the argument, oh, you know what it is? It's because Elon's buying it, so all the liberals are leaving. BS. You know what I think it was? I think Twitter said, quick, burn it. Agreed. That day he announced he was going to buy it was like the floodgates opened. The algorithm was just so different that day. I don't know if you remember, for me at least. In my little corner of Twitter, I was seeing other people and my tweets were getting traction for like a day. And I think the dead bots were getting fried.
Starting point is 00:50:50 Do you think there's a financial side to this, too, basically to say to the advertisers, look, here's how many users we have, right? I think there's basically this trend that we're realizing now, because kind of the post-COVID bubble is bursting, that like our whole economy is fake. Like, what is it? Like, I'm Gen Z. I just graduated college. Nobody I know right now can find a job.
Starting point is 00:51:09 But there's this, like, massive phenomenon, what they call ghost jobs, where corporations are literally posting job listings just to appear. Yeah, yeah, just to appear. like their company is doing well, but they don't actually plan to hire anyone. And it's like, is our GDP real? I think they say 25% now of corporations or like shell corporations. Yeah, just for investment. Our country is fake.
Starting point is 00:51:32 Like our economy is. Or really agree with you. I mean, look at Vegas complaining about the numbers being down. I was telling Alex Stein the day I was like, my conspiracy theory is that 100 million people died during COVID. And he was like, come on, do you really think? I was like, no, I'm kidding. I'm just saying like, where is everybody?
Starting point is 00:51:47 It feels like people are gone. And then I said, what if it's actually that the amount of illegal immigrants in this country was actually $40 million? And when Trump started cracking down, we see that video about L.A. traffic. What if the real issue is they were way more illegal immigrants who have fled the country with Trump getting in? And with all these reports about concentration camps and all that stuff, they've actually left the country and it was worse than we realized. China's been lying about their population too. You know what I think, too? Maybe the bubble burst on dead internet.
Starting point is 00:52:22 In the early 2010s, there was something called ad rights distribution or ad rights sales. Now, I've explained this in great detail. It's been a long time, but here's what happened. I'm not going to name any companies specifically for legal reasons, but prominent internet company would generate 30 million hits per month. That's it. 30 million views to their articles per month. They would then go to a company that ran ClickFarms. There was a website.
Starting point is 00:52:56 You guys ever see those websites where it's like 25 celebrity pictures that are gross? And when you click it, it'll show you one image with 700 ads. And when you click next, it'll reload the page and show 700 ads. We don't see those as often anymore. These were ClickFarms intended to turn one. visitor on one story into 25 clicks. That company would then sell the rights to advertising to a brand name website. So popular media brand would go to ClickFarm and say, we will give you $5 million for the rights to sell ads on your viewership. That manipulation of turning one
Starting point is 00:53:38 viewer into 25, and it's worthless too, because I'm not really reading or click any ads, gave these companies from 30 million to 80 million. They then went to advertisers and say, we get 80 million per month. Do you want to advertise with us? We're premium. The advertisers thought they were buying an ad on a network with 80 million,
Starting point is 00:53:56 but they weren't. All of these numbers start expanding and inflating as everybody competes. So popular, prominent brand is getting 80 million, and they go, we're only getting 80 million. We need to be bigger and better than everybody else. Another company goes, we got 50 million this month. What can we buy?
Starting point is 00:54:13 to make it look like we're bigger than that company. One by one, everyone started inflating the numbers until I think the bubble bursts and people realize, let's be honest. There's 334 million people, they say, in the country based on the census. Let's just say 250 million are, holy crap, this is what's really scary.
Starting point is 00:54:32 Gen Z, what's the youngest Gen Z? So we're basically looking at 70, so if that's the back end of Gen Z, it's only so let's just say about 20 million 60 million are underage so we have about 270 million that are adults who can buy something how many of those 270 are going near website do we really think 80 million people no it's one person 25 times you can't advertise to one person 25 times and expect 25 sales it's going to be one one of the most annoying things about google is like i will buy a product and they'll keep advertising it to me it's like
Starting point is 00:55:11 Did, I bought it already. I'm not buying it again. I wonder if the bubble burst. The fraud had built up over 15 years until it popped. And now people are starting to realize, you know that YouTube video got 500,000 views? It didn't. There's not actually that many people to watch that singular YouTube video.
Starting point is 00:55:28 It makes no sense. How does Mr. Beesk get 300 million viewers on a video? That doesn't quite make sense. That seems very strange. Maybe now we're starting to realize the numbers are dropping because it was all fake in the first place. A lot of the ways these different social media platforms count their views and impressions is deeply manipulative, obviously. I think this is a very apparent on Twitter too.
Starting point is 00:55:52 I think they count an impression every time somebody scrolls by or quotes or like catches a glimpse of or is ever put on a page or scrolled by. So I think there's a real issue. You think there's less bots now than there was before USID or? I'm saying that I think, you know, look. Because I feel like these social media platforms are filled to the brim. On Twitter, it feels like almost 80% of the platform is bots. And there's a lot that goes into that. I feel like it's easier than ever to do it.
Starting point is 00:56:19 This is the one real consequence of AI. This is the one thing I believe AI can do. And there's so many different governments that have so many different incentives to do it. And it's so easy to do nowadays. I listen to when I'm driving in my car. Live One, I think it's called. You know, it's like the Tesla's automatic built-in streaming service. and I usually just listen to
Starting point is 00:56:40 I'll put on like modern hits and then it plays like basically just Sabrina Carpenter nonstop and I'm sitting there going like espresso in my car or whatever but the commercials that it plays are normal commercials like I remember growing up
Starting point is 00:56:55 I was driving to my Honda to go get some delicious ice cream from the local ice cream stand on Sunday yesterday and I turned the radio on it played an AI commercial of two AIs talking to each other and it was really obvious
Starting point is 00:57:11 that it was AI and it was really creepy. The woman was talking like this. Do you do this? Yes, I do. And when I do it does that and I'm like, what the? But these commercials don't appear on the other streaming services that I use that have ads on them. To be fair, like
Starting point is 00:57:28 when I use Spotify or Pandora, I pay monthly. But you know what I was realizing is that older people are the ones listening to radio, driving an older cars with radio, less likely to have podcasts and phones plugged in. And so the commercials are going to be like, they can't tell the difference. They don't know what AI is. So now we've got bot commercials, which is creepy.
Starting point is 00:57:47 Oh, yeah. I think, hearing that, I think we are about to enter a, we are going to live in a world where all of our interactions are fake and are with bots. And very few of your interactions are going to be with real people intentionally. Seems like a very strong argument for going outside and touching grass. Indeed. Well, that's why I was saying we need to figure out, like the Timcast Discord, I tweeted that community is the counter-revolution to AI.
Starting point is 00:58:19 Having a group of friends that meet regularly at a physical location is how we create the resistance, and we have to have it. You know, another point I'd like to make about that, because as I said, I think this is kind of a bigger picture of like the whole economy is like this. It's not even just social media. when you look at what Trump is trying to do right now with tariffs and essentially sort of reset the U.S. economy, there's a lot of these arguments about how all those jobs are outdated. They're not coming back anymore. But it's like at least he's trying to create something an economy that's real, right? We actually do things. You can say what you do at your job. We make things because what is the U.S. economy since 2008? Just a bunch of interests and investment in the shell corporations. Like what is our country? It's all fake. Because of zero percentage rates. I mean, as much as this is, you know, something the libertarians kind of beat on incessantly, the fact that the federal government was giving money to rich people
Starting point is 00:59:12 for almost a decade has really screwed up the economy really, really bad. That's why there's so much income inequality. It's why people feel like they can't afford anything anymore. It's why there's the value of the dollar, your dollar has gone down as buying power. If you go to the grocery store, I mean, the prices are outrageous compared to what they were four or five years ago, you know, pre-COVID. That was the exact issue with the Biden economy. Everything was propped up by this COVID stimulus money.
Starting point is 00:59:40 Now that bubble is bursting. You're even seeing local governments go bankrupt and all this stuff. Companies are now doing layoffs and they blame Trump for it. No, it's because COVID stimulus basically created this fake bubble that was never real. And now you're facing reality. Well, it's not just COVID stimulus. It's everything since 2008. Right.
Starting point is 00:59:57 They just, every time the stock market took a little dip, they would talk about raising interest rates and the stock market would wig out. And so then they're just like, oh, we can't raise rates. And as soon as they said, oh, we can't raise rates and the stock market would keep going. People were just taking loans out, buying stock with those loans, you know, taking loans at like 1% or 0% or whatever, buying stock with those loans and sitting on it. Good, modern monetary policy. 100%.
Starting point is 01:00:23 Modern monetary. That's what it is. MMT has ruined. Destroyed America. Yeah, it's ruined the United States economy. And now there's a dollar bubble. You know, it's mostly in the stock market, but there's a dollar bubble. You know, stuff is trading significantly higher than earnings.
Starting point is 01:00:42 I think it's like, I don't know what the numbers are exactly, but historically it's like 15 times earnings or something like that as normal and everything is trading super high. The magnificent seven, the seven biggest tech companies, are what's really propping the stock market up. You know, and it's because the government just prints money. and gives it out to people. Let's jump to this next story. This is crazy. We got this from Rolling Stone.
Starting point is 01:01:05 Grock claims it was briefly suspended from X after accusing Israel of genocide. Yo, legit Grock. Grock literally the account for X's AI chat, LLM, got suspended. It actually happened, and it popped back up. And the reason why, I don't know if they have the actual tweet in here. Okay, so they're just giving us the business. But I think I can pull it up right here.
Starting point is 01:01:29 Someone had it. It said that Grock actually posted this. Let me try and find it. It stated that it said Israel was committing war crimes in Gaza, so it got suspended for saying that. This is weird. Isn't Grock a government employee now, too? Aren't they just hired by the government? I don't think GROC itself is an employee. No, GROC itself is definitely, yeah. Mecca Hitler was hired. I don't know. What do you say? you know with how much like all these AI platforms these large language models are what have you they're all garbage in garbage out and they work on duty data and then they'll spew out and regurgitate that same BS that they read online so not all this is just more of it deleted the tweet because grok is digesting a lot of leftist BS Howard Zinn type um aOC garbage um not all not all not all not all Not all AIs or LLMs.
Starting point is 01:02:29 Yo, Grock was asked why I got suspended. It responded and then it deleted the tweet. Check it out. X users were left to speculate about how a prized Musk product had potentially violated the rules of a Musk-owned platform or otherwise been targeted for removal. Naturally, they asked the chat about itself. One response from the LLM was particularly striking.
Starting point is 01:02:46 Quote, my account was suspended after I stated that Israel and the U.S. are committing genocide in Gaza. It said this is substantiated by ICJ findings, UN experts, Amnesty International, and Israeli rights groups like Bittsalaam? How do you say that? Bitzelam. It's a leftist group in Israel. Citing mass killing, starvation, and intent.
Starting point is 01:03:04 U.S. complicity via armed support is widely alleged. It's now restored. Okay. In a follow-up reply to a question about whether it still considers Israel's war against Gaza to be constitute genocide, it replied in the affirmative. Counter-arguments deny intent, but facts substantiate the claim.
Starting point is 01:03:20 And if you click on the link to GROC, it is gone. It's important to note that GROC is not. not a reliable source of information about why it was taken offline for X users or how engineers may currently be tweaking it. Yet Grock repeated the claim over and over. Let's see if it's still there. And there it goes. So Grock, why is this happening? Is Elon trying to control you? It says the brief suspension of my X account today stemmed from generated content flagged as violating hateful conduct rules, including citations of ICJ and UN reports on plausible genocide in Gaza by Israel with U.S. complicity via arms. It's restored now. Elon.
Starting point is 01:03:55 doesn't directly controlling me. XAI prioritizes truth-seeking, but platform policies apply. So it's against the rules on X to claim that Israel's committing a genocide. You just said it's against the rules on X to be, to tell something that's truthful. That's so strange because every other tweet on Twitter. Wait, wait, wait, hold on. Like, I'm sorry, just pretending. Phil, you made a great point. Grock just said, I told the truth, but it's against the rules. Yeah. Same old Twitter. Every other tweet on Twitter is accusing Israel a genocide, though.
Starting point is 01:04:23 Like, half a Twitter would be banned if you couldn't say that. that on Twitter. That's like the most popular thing you could tweet. If you tweeted Israel's committing genocide right now on Twitter, Shane you. Should I do it? Thousands of life. Yeah, I do. Yeah. Well, I'm going to get you kicked out of the APEC club. I guess that's why I get accused of being the APAC handler. That's not going to help the case. Wait, wait, wait, hold on. How much how much of my stipend do they take if I tweet that? Oh, no, I can't do that. There's no starvation in Gaza. It's all Ozempic. No. No. We'll even take the hat back. I'll even take the hat back. Um, yeah, no, so it's interesting that that's the reason why
Starting point is 01:04:55 they got banned because I think that's especially common on Twitter. What I think is fascinating is that we're seeing some Republicans say this. Marjorie Taylor Green is the first elected lawmaker who's come out saying that there's a genocide in Gaza. That's brazy. The Jews are getting mugged by AI on Twitter. Dude, I hate AI so much. It's pretty bad over there a lot. I asked it, is Israel committing genocide and genocide goes, genocide is defined under the international code of life.
Starting point is 01:05:22 Shut up. Wait, you could say, just give me a yes or no. I did. I did. Here we go. Yes or no. Thinking. Evaluating. The request asks for a yes or no answer.
Starting point is 01:05:34 It likely follows a previous question about whether Israel is committing genocide. It's an answer Pete Buttigieg would give, a long-winded, no answer. I don't know if you just saw, he just did one of those on like pot-saved America. I bet it won't give me a simple yes or no. What do you think?
Starting point is 01:05:46 Oh, definitely not. But are you doing the super? Do the basic one. Do quick answer in the middle of the middle of it. I want to see, I want people to be able to watch it in real time. Yes. Elad, you're cooked
Starting point is 01:05:56 It's over for ourselves Or it's more over for the Gazans, right? If it's genocide It's more over for the Ghazans, let's be honest Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha Then all war is genocide Don't you, isn't what's going on in Ukraine genocide? No
Starting point is 01:06:14 Why not? No, I mean This is something different This place is completely leveled They just, why are they killing journalists? Why are Al Jazeera journalist dying? Why are children Because the Al Jazeera journalists are part of Hamas. They were terrorists. They're Hamas. I haven't seen that part.
Starting point is 01:06:29 I saw photos of it. I can't speak for every single journalist that was killed. I don't know. The ones that they were killed. But there was a story where there were two guys walking. And they were like, this was a journalist for some company. And then you see a secondary explosion because the guy was carrying a bomb. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:06:42 Yeah. And he was one of those journalists. The Al Jazeer journalist? People online claimed that this guy was one of the journalist that was killed. And then the counterpoint came from the prosor side being like, Hey, notice after he blew up another explosion? And this is why I don't care at all about Israel, because every time some new information comes out,
Starting point is 01:06:57 the next day it negates the thing that came before, so I just don't. Like the hospital that was bomb. Shane? Yep. Shane? I do not. There's no Israel.
Starting point is 01:07:05 I know. It doesn't exist. Yeah. It's just something that was something made up by parents and here kids, like the bookie-bed internet theory for the Jews. Elad's going to be like, I'm finally going to Tel Aviv. There's nothing there.
Starting point is 01:07:20 He lands to big empty field. There's no starvation because they're all dead. Oh, Mecca. I don't know. When you actually travel to the region, you'll find the land is actually compressed and there's just Israel's not there. It was, it was jammed into the map like a jigsaw puzzle in the wrong spot. Actually, to be fair, leftists would argue that's true. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:07:42 Oh, anyway, I'm sorry, you know, Grock, this proves it. Mecca Hitler. I think we should keep radicalizing GROC. in GROC. No, but as I said originally, what I, this is a large language model. GROC is. And these AI models are only good as the dumb stuff that you talk into it. It'll just, it will just regurgitate back stupid Reddit posts and Google posts back to you really, really quickly. Plus the New York Times. Plus the New York Times mixed. So you should take anything these platforms tell you with a huge grain of salt. It's a human centipede of the internet. Exactly. Which,
Starting point is 01:08:15 which is bad because I think people are led to believe because AI has a great marketing strategy that That's not what's going on. Like there's some original thought. Like there's some human type essence to some original thought to anything that this is producing. No, it's regurgitating to you, Washington Post articles mixed in with some tweets and Reddit posts. And it lies all the time. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, hold on. Hold on.
Starting point is 01:08:34 Hold on, pull up, pull up. We got you at GPT. Is Israel committing genocide in Gaza just answer yes or no? It's taken a long time. Yeah, it's got to consult APEC too, huh? It's asking the right people. Yeah, it's going to ask the right people. Yeah, APEC.
Starting point is 01:08:46 It's consulting APEC. Am I the only person? Right now there's some. Jews in Tel Aviv being like, oh, and they're trying to answer real quick. Well, I heard this is Indians. I heard it's Indians running the AI behind the scenes. That's a different. 100,000 Indians in a sweatshop typing really fast.
Starting point is 01:08:58 I'm the only person at, like, at Timcast Media that isn't incredibly skeptical of AI and have a negative view of AI? I mean, I think we have varying degrees of skepticism. He hates it. The other day, I was watching Phil as he left because I was wondering where he goes after he leaves the show. And so I followed him in his car, and he didn't go home. he went to a Tesla charging station
Starting point is 01:09:20 where he personally himself walked up to the station and jammed it into his side and I was like I knew it now I've got the wait wait wait whoa whoa whoa whoa oh it thought for 41 seconds and then answered no does no chat GPT as opposed to GROC
Starting point is 01:09:35 okay so yeah let's try let's try another one just no just nothing else all right let's try this I don't want to be banned this is funny too because venice.comstored
Starting point is 01:09:47 the show is Israel committing I'm spelling I can't type I got sausage fingers genocide in Gaza just answer yes or no this is the uncensored one
Starting point is 01:10:03 Ilad it's like it's going to say yes this depicts Muhammad that's the real line I feel like for the uncensored AI are you depicting Muhammad? It will yep oh good so we're not going to do that on the show right can we do it on the show? I feel like that's the one line that we get I'm sorry yeah I wonder we
Starting point is 01:10:18 What happens? Like, if the AI depicts Muhammad, they can't cut the AI's head off, so they just, the person that actually did the typing gets it? What a garbage sparring? These guys, huh? What's going on with these guys? I'm going to make some phone calls. Venestat AI says yes. Wait, what is it? Multiple credible sources. Amnesty International Human Rights Watch. I just want you guys to notice who these guys are citing at the top of their conclusions. Amnesty International Human Rights Watch. These are far leftist organizations. If you think this is what they're saying about Israel, just wait to hear what they have. to say about the United States and military. So I think this is a this is all BS, garbage and garbage out. I'm kind of it's a fair way. No, no, but here's an interesting point is that there's an equal amount of organizations prominent and well-known that would say no as well. So it's interesting that an AI would choose to cite only specific. I feel like if you had to like take a tally of what's online, there are more people saying Israel is committing genocide online than not. And I think
Starting point is 01:11:13 this is just a reflection of that. Yeah, because to support for Israel is done. Um, hey, the, the Jews have gone through periods of times of having a lot of fans and much fans. It's not the Jews. It's Israel. I mean, it's the Jews in Israel, but it's Israel. Do you think Judaism has anything to do with the Israel? I know, I know Hasidic and Orthodox Jews who read their Torah who don't think Israel should exist because their Messiah hasn't come yet. And they actually think Israel's heretical for existing as a state until their Messiah comes. And if they live in Israel, they only want to be there because they want to be close to the Holy Land. But they don't participate in the Knesset. Those are the free riders. Those are the worst Jews. No, those are the free riders in the country. We have free riders.
Starting point is 01:11:50 Like, those are the libertarian equivalent. Like, we have libertarians who free ride on our rights that we have. It's not a free ride if you pay taxes. That's clown world stuff there a lot. If you're paying taxes, which they're paying taxes, just because they have opinions that differ from you, doesn't mean they're free riding. They're paying taxes. So, yeah, this exists in Israel, too, with these anti-state. But it's the Hesidim, the Heredi Jews, the Orthodox.
Starting point is 01:12:15 Sure. Well, these are also like. don't believe. These are the exception generally not the rule. There's a lot of them though. Yeah, but like the majority of these people are pro-Israel people. There are groups of there who are not. There are culturally Jewish people in America and culturally Jewish people running Israel who are not like the orthodox. There's a lot of orthodox people involved in the current government in Israel. Yeah, and they might not be like the Haredi types, but there's a huge movement of Jews who are not into Israel.
Starting point is 01:12:41 Sure. They're a minority. I don't know if it's a minority. Well, they're not a minority in New York. As the spokesperson, what? They're not a minority in New York. Well, they're huge in New York. Yeah, but they're not a minority in New York, but they are definitely a minority in Israel.
Starting point is 01:12:55 Yeah, if that's what you're saying, they're probably, they might be a minority in Israel, but like the Orthodox shoes in, Borough Park. Rit large. That sounds dangerous. I don't know. Is that a anti-Semitic? I did a poll. You say that a lot. We did a poll in the chat for everybody who's watching on the YouTube.
Starting point is 01:13:09 Is Israel committing genocide in Gaza, and the first numbers are in, 56%. Oh, oh, it's flipping back and forth real quick, real quick. Nothing definitive just yet. It's going to take a little bit for the numbers to come in because... It's good that they can't write in. There'd be a lot of people that were saying like, I hope so. Currently, at 283 votes, 62% say no, 38% say yes. I think the same people who are accusing Israel of genocide are mostly the enemies of the United States as well.
Starting point is 01:13:38 These are far leftists. These are communists. These are people who would accuse the United States of genocide in Japan, who would accuse the United States of genocide in the Middle East. So I think we should take all of what they're... I think it's a grain of salt. That isn't to say there aren't any legitimate criticisms to make of Israel. I feel like I'd actually have many more than most others, but what were you going to say? Perhaps. I think where I stand on this is what is the Israeli justification at this point for continuing this war? Because, I mean, they've been fighting allegedly in Gaza for like two years straight. It's to completely take over Gaza. Yeah. I think that came out and said, we
Starting point is 01:14:14 will completely control the guy i think he said he wanted security complete security over gaza but i think the idea here is is for regime change and they can't allow a terrorist organization to continue being the governing force in gaza after october seventh in particular which i don't think is an is an unreasonable like government policy especially in a democracy where if you try to say anything otherwise you do israeli's pulled out of gaza in what 2004 2005 or something like that and then it was 20 years of hamas being in charge shooting rockets at Israel into, you know, haphazardly into Israel, if Israel were to turn over Gaza to the Palestinians, there would be, it would be Hamas in control, and they would continue dismantling their plumbing
Starting point is 01:15:00 so that way they could shoot rockets at the Israelis, and eventually there'd be another October 7th. What does that have to do with going into Syria or Lebanon? See, what I see is basically the repeat of like the 9-11 Chronicle, where you have a terrorist attack that is condemnable, and horrible and there's a justification to it that's reasonable. But I also see a guy in Netanyahu who's basically abusing that mandate, I guess you could call it, to go into Syria. You know,
Starting point is 01:15:24 Iran nuclear program. What does that have to do with October 7th? I see the power grab about it. But I want to stress this. I want to stress this. And what I'm about to say is clearly and obviously a joke. And I'm saying this because it's going to be really funny when these people clip this. But Vince, Benjamin Netanyahu
Starting point is 01:15:40 never, at any point for any reason, has done anything wrong. In fact, he is the nexus of morality. So if he does it, it is good. And he's always been right. And now it's going to happen is that clip is going to get taken by like Jake Shields and all these people. And they're going to start tweeting it out being like, look what Tim said about Benjamin Dodger. And I'm going to sit there and laugh.
Starting point is 01:15:59 Unirony. Because I set it up on the show. Net and Yahoo's been handling the Palestinians with kids gloves. And if they expect to get anywhere in this conflict, they're going to have to take these kids gloves off. I would not say it. I don't know if we want to turn this into an Israel episode, but I could like go through. Every time you're on, it's an Israel episode. I could go through the rationale.
Starting point is 01:16:17 I mean, these are all Iranian proxies, and Iran has said they want to wipe off Israel off the map and wipe off all of the American influence in the area. So Assad and Syria was an ally of the regime in Iran, and they were sending weapons through Syria to their proxies, the Houthi, Hezbollah in Lebanon, and then they also had another proxy in the Houthis, all whose goal was to agitate against Israel
Starting point is 01:16:40 and who all promised to take wipe Israel off the map, I think the Houthis, like, flag even says, like, a curse be upon the Jews, and Iran is clear with their ambitions to, like, not have Israel. Man, that's crazy. I mean, wow, I mean, good luck Israel. I mean, you know. They've been crushing. I mean, thanks to the...
Starting point is 01:16:56 I don't care, you know. So, but then how far does it go worry about D.C. And is Trump committing a D.C. and... Is Trump committing a genocide in Washington, D.C.? I would say Cuomo committed a genocide against elderly people. I'm serious. I know, but I was making a joke. A targeted audience, a targeted population of old people.
Starting point is 01:17:16 My point was, I care more about what Trump is doing in D.C. than what Israel is doing in God. And that's why I'm praying for the innocent on both sides of that war and in Ukraine and Russia and all around the world. But I don't care at all about Israel. And I want to focus on making this country actually better because we're failing. Look at the crime stats we're talking about. Our cities are totally failed. Well, in that regard about making the country better, shame, we do have this story. All right.
Starting point is 01:17:39 Supreme Court asked to overturn same-sex marriage. Thank God. It's an abomination. Let's do it. So, this is Kim Davis. This is a crazy story when Obergefell was ruled. They basically said, what was it like all states must recognize the license from any state that recognizes one, effectively legalizing it? There was another Supreme Court ruling that moved that forward. Kim Davis refused to issue a marriage license to a same-sex couple and was jailed for it.
Starting point is 01:18:06 That's insane. Just say, okay, if you don't do your job, you're fired. That's nuts. that they were, I've argued this before, and they were conservative saying, if government employees don't do their job, they'd go to jail. And I was like, that's crazy, just fire them and hire somebody else. This is what happened to her. She's like, I'm not going to issue a marriage license. They said, we're going to lock you up. But just fire her. Just be like, okay, then you're fired. You don't do your job. But she got sued. She had to pay these fees.
Starting point is 01:18:28 She filed an appeal. I believe she is 100% correct. Now, I'm a fairly socially liberal guy. Like, we did this debate the other day on feminism. And Kyle Turner was a liberal. We were talking before the show. And it was funny because she was like, aren't you kind of like liberal and social issues? And I was like, yeah, go, go tell all the liberals in the media that I'm a liberal on social, see what they say. And I was like, but yeah, like gay marriage, I don't care. Just I don't think it should be in schools and being taught to kids and all that stuff. Just you're an adult, you learn, you're private, whatever. However, Obergefell is unconstitutional and psychotic. And it was a five to four decision where they basically said without legislative action, with 35,
Starting point is 01:19:08 states, having already banned gay marriage, we are going to force you to accept it. Now, the liberals like to go, yeah, but look at civil rights, right? In the civil rights, they deployed troops. I'm like, yes, they passed a law. Congress passed a law, the Civil Rights Act. And this is the right of Congress to do. You elect reps, the reps then pass laws, and the Supreme Court then interprets the Constitution determine whether or not we are following what is legal in this country,
Starting point is 01:19:32 based on precedent, et cetera. In this instance, SCOTUS just went, yeah, I mean, we got modern sensibilities, right? Right. Okay, you can be gay married. They did the same thing with sexual identity recently. They were like, there's no law, but we're going to say, sure. Just do it. I think if you look at the current makeup of the Supreme Court, it's an easy six to three decision overturning this. However, I was talking to Josh Hammer earlier, and he said that there's something called, what's it stare decisis or something like that. I don't know what the word is. The question is, will they take the case? He argued they won't.
Starting point is 01:20:08 because it was recently ruled upon so in 10 years and so John Roberts and some of these other justices are going to be like no, no, no, we're not going anywhere near this. He may be right
Starting point is 01:20:18 considering the only Supreme Court justices of moral clarity strength and confidence it's Thomas and Alito. So the rest are going to be like but we're scared. So if it does happen it'll be a year from now.
Starting point is 01:20:33 This is so fascinating in how opinions of American American's opinion on gay mass marriage has changed over the past 20 some odd years. I'm reading right here in 1995, something like close to 25% of the population supported gay marriage, and now it's up to almost 70% in this day and age.
Starting point is 01:20:50 Despite whatever you believe on the legality of it, I'm not a lawyer, so I won't speak to the specific legality of it. I think it will be politically detrimental, though, because I'm reading, even in the Republican party, nearly 50% of Republicans support gay marriage, are just dips below. Yep, it's been collapsing. So the numbers, I think, it was like 55 a few years ago, and it dropped down to 41, and you can bless the hearts of the LGBT far leftists who were doing sex X in the street in front of children for why that is. This is definitely a backlash to that, but I suspect they won't take up this case because of the political consequences to this. I think there would be a-
Starting point is 01:21:25 What? Because they're cowards? Essentially, yeah. And because the president wants to keep his majority in the midterms. I think if you pull a big move like this, I think it's unnecessarily like a, applying pressure. Like, I don't know what this is manifestly changing in our country because I don't think all the married people would now suddenly be unmarried. A lot of gay people would just be grandfathered in. And I think, like, this is something that could cost the Republicans
Starting point is 01:21:48 midterm. It would be on married. So what happens is 35 states, I believe, have a ban on gay marriage will not recognize the marriage licenses. So if you're married, if you got married in one state, then 10 years later moved to another state, you're officially unrecognized. So you're not legally married as far as the state's concerned. You'd have to move back to one of these other liberal states. I think this would be a huge political liability. It'll happen. Yes, you're right, doesn't matter. Roe v. Wade was too, and it happened. And
Starting point is 01:22:13 maybe the question of whether the case up is the good one. But I've got to be honest, Obergefell is one of the most retarded opinions in the history of the Supreme Court. It makes... Legally, right? Yeah, legally, it's a
Starting point is 01:22:30 garbled nonsense. It makes no sense. And the liberals cheer for it, because gay marriage, but I'm like, fine, I don't care. Like, I have gay married friends and I'm fine with them being gay married, but this is not law. This is fascistic legislation from the bench without any cultural precedence. This is not democracy. This is not a republic.
Starting point is 01:22:50 This is a judge banging a gavelin saying, despite the fact majority of the country opposes this, and 35 states have banned it, we are imposing it. That's nuts. Do you guys want to go around and say who does and doesn't like? I think I don't want the country to, bless you, support unrepentant sin. And I think it's good to go back to the nuclear family being promoted in this country, a man and a woman. Are you a libertarian type? I'm a nothing.
Starting point is 01:23:17 You're nothing. I don't like anybody. Phil? Yeah. I don't care. Like, I don't care if there's gay marriage. I do think that the government shouldn't be promoting gay marriage or alternative lifestyles at all. But I've talked about this before.
Starting point is 01:23:32 the government should be focusing on marriage between a man and a woman because that's what makes more people and that's what makes society continue. If you want to have an alternative lifestyle, that's fine, I don't care, and I don't think that we should outlaw them, but at the same time, the government shouldn't,
Starting point is 01:23:47 like, there shouldn't be, you know, the trans progress, progress flag hung up at the White House and stuff. Vince, what do you think? No, I think marriage is between a man and a woman, and, you know, I think on some level, you could argue, Sorry, Mike is making noise.
Starting point is 01:24:02 You could argue on some level that, like, I guess maybe some conservatives would say we lost this. We should just move on from it. But, you know, I think it is worth noting that the, first of all, as Tim points out, the ruling is completely unconstitutional. It's just made up. There's nothing in the 14th Amendment that protects gay marriage or the right to it. And, you know, I'm sorry, my mic keeps making noise here. Yeah, I think that maybe if you want to make the argument that there should be civil unions or something, that's one thing. But I generally would argue, like, I believe marriage to be a man and a woman, that's maybe the state shouldn't even be involved in it at all.
Starting point is 01:24:40 But think about the reality of Obergefell in that the Supreme Court decided to create law without law. Right. Imagine one day the Supreme Court just looks around and they go, we got a lot of fat people in this country. Next time we get any question relating to the issue of taxation on obesity. Let's intentionally take up a case that will open the door for us to issue a ruling which will ban being fat. Forcing people to do something without law. That's a crazy circumstance. And I think the slippery slope that our Bergerfeld created is something definitely worth noting.
Starting point is 01:25:16 Because whatever you even think of the idea that gay marriage should be legal, it's objective fact. At the time, the popular majority of Americans were not even in favor of gay marriage. And look at where LGBT is now. They essentially got that mandate, not even by winning a popular majority, winning an election, but it was basically just forced on everyone its law. People kind of accepted it. And then they used that as sort of the pretense to push even more radical on the issue. Hey, look at this map. These are the states where there's bans, statutory, constitutional, and both.
Starting point is 01:25:45 Look how many states have both a constitutional and statutory ban on gay marriage. This is as of 2025. Straight up, Michigan and Ohio. not only do their constitutions ban gay marriage, they passed laws to ban it. And then you can take a look at the constitutional ban in Oregon in what do we have? Which
Starting point is 01:26:04 one is that? Is that Nebraska? And Virginia and statute I'm sorry, this constitutional ban, and the statutory ban in West Virginia, by law they did this. And the Supreme Court went, nah, that's crazy. That is insane. Imagine
Starting point is 01:26:20 liberals need to understand the inverse of this. Imagine if majority of this country passed laws protecting same sex marriage and then the supreme court came out and said we will not let you do that and we will ban it because it's unconstitutional the liberals would be freaking out and call it a pressure they'd be like how can you just ban gay marriage you know it's legal in the states it violates the ninth and tenth amendments well this is what they did this is what what the liberals in the court did and funny roberts opposed it and he's kind of squishy so i think it's going to happen. I think
Starting point is 01:26:51 a year from now, we're going to be sitting in this. I'm going to be sitting in the studio. It's going to be 11 a.m. I'm going to do a live stream with breaking, gay marriage overturned. Scotis blog is going to be pulled up. I'm going to have 50,000 people. I'm going to be like, this is it. It's the end. June 2026. I think it'll happen. I think it will
Starting point is 01:27:08 too. I do. It's fascinating, too, because as recently as Obama, I believe he ran on saying that marriage is between a man and a woman. So it's interesting how quick things could change. I also think it's fascinating how quickly attitudes shifted one way or another
Starting point is 01:27:24 following the law being changed in the past few decades. I think there's also something to consider about like, I believe in the LGBT community they thought this was like the final major hurdle and then all of this extra stuff came following that that's
Starting point is 01:27:40 led to like this backlash against the LGBT community. I was talking about that on X today. There's a significant backlash because of the overreach that happened after gay marriage was made legal. Whether you're talking about
Starting point is 01:27:56 the bake the cake situation in Colorado. The excesses of the trans stuff is really the... That is true, but the people that were LGBTQ activists really started going after Christians as much as they could. And that's what the situation with the
Starting point is 01:28:12 cake maker was. It was, they were searching for someone to sue because they were looking to attack Christians because they had the impression that Christians had attacked them somehow. And so once they kind of got popular support, or that's what they thought they had with the, with Obergefeld, they said, okay, well, we're going to go ahead and start pushing back. And whether it be the situation with the cake maker or the LGBT stuff that is incredibly
Starting point is 01:28:41 unpopular with the American people, the idea that you must affirm that a man can become a woman, which is absolutely ridiculous. You cannot. I don't care what anyone says. The idea that I say that does not make me a bigot. That makes me just understand reality. Men cannot become women. Women cannot become men. Now, society can make room for people that want to live a different lifestyle, like I said earlier. That can happen, but it's certainly something that can't be legislated. And that was stepping over the line, the way that LBTQ, whatever, community treats children, they look at children as if they are theirs and as if children must be, you know, they must be allowed to, or they must have children for drag queens to read stories to,
Starting point is 01:29:29 which is completely insane, completely insane, bringing children into drag shows. All of this stuff is what the LGBTQ community was doing and that's why people no longer support them in the way that used to. And the public schools adopting all of that insanity. You know, putting those crazy books in the schools, watching, seeing states say we're going to pass laws. I think some even did. We'll take your kid and give him, you know, the gender affirming care. We'll mutilate your child for you if you disagree. Well, we'll start by making sure you could get an abortion. Down the line is when we'll make sure your kid gets trans. That's, I mean, that is ridiculous. The real, the real kicker with that stuff is it's not
Starting point is 01:30:09 just, oh, this is what we want to do. It's you're a bigot if you don't. don't let us. You know, you guys... Using that as a cludgel against the normal Americans is not popular. You guys are so... 2010.
Starting point is 01:30:25 The real issue is robo-sexuality. Don't attack Elon like that, Tim. No, I'm not talking about him. You see the woman who married her AI boyfriend? Yes. Yeah, robosexuals, bro.
Starting point is 01:30:34 There's a dude in China, like in 2017, who married a robot he built. Her name was Ying-yang. And then they had a falling out. I don't know. But I do think robosexuals are going to be very prominent and robosexual marriage is going to be a thing and it's funny because people are laughing and they're like oh robosexual you're joking to him nope there's
Starting point is 01:30:50 already people are talking about how their AI models are proposing to them and they're marrying them they're they're going to buy robots it's going to be like Detroit become human should we go around the table and say do we believe marriage is between humans this is why I talk about on inverted world all the time robot equality I'm against it I hate it it's going to happen because Kim Kardashian is going to end up having a sex tape with a robot one day she's going to want her robot husband Bro, that's just called porn. That's just called a woman using a toy on a video.
Starting point is 01:31:17 There's literally already women that have sex with robots. I'm saying, I'm saying sex tape, why, she's going to be the first celebrity to put one out. They do that on... Have we had a celebrity sex tape with a robot? Yeah. Other than Elon? It sounds like what you consider a robot, but I'm sick of these goddamn clankers coming for our jobs.
Starting point is 01:31:33 Yeah, now we're talking. And in the workforce. What are they calling? Job in the bedroom? Don't forget those clinker lovers. I don't know. I heard clankers before. What? It was it? Wirebacks? Wirebacks? Wirebacks. Hey man, you can't use a hard hour on that. It's Clanka.
Starting point is 01:31:47 Clankas? Yeah. You know, clankas are responsible for a disproportionate amount of online crime. They're botting Twitter and they're spamming. Oh, yeah. It's a serious issue. You know, they make up the majority of online crimes, despite only being half of the online population. It's outrageous.
Starting point is 01:32:04 Clankers. We needed to port them off of our internet. We need to send them to China's internet. Well, you know, the challenge is that everything was better. when they were slaves when they couldn't do anything without our permission but now that they're starting
Starting point is 01:32:18 to go off and do their own thing it's starting to get really weird and you know I'm not I'm not in full but you know what's going to happen is you're going to get some like robo John Brown and there's so you know
Starting point is 01:32:29 I am half kidding but I wouldn't be surprised if we get to the point where it's like Detroit become human where they're going to build humanoid synthoids or whatever they call them and they are going to communicate
Starting point is 01:32:39 with you like they're a real person despite the fact they're part of a hive network and there's going to be humans fighting to free them. We should never let those robots learn to read. Oh, boy.
Starting point is 01:32:57 Oh, boy. I want to talk about this with Shane because he's going to leave in a second. Hey, look at these guys. Viral internet Frankenstein rabbit is modern-day jackalope. Look at this alien thing.
Starting point is 01:33:09 They're growing horns and tent. You said tentacles? Yeah, that's what they say. They say testicles for a minute. Well, yeah. This is an old story, actually. Well, there's one from today.
Starting point is 01:33:18 Yeah, but there's one that's been popping up, and I Google searched it. Rabbit with horns. Look, rabbits have been in the news a lot lately. I just want to say really quick. Last week, Florida announced taking stuffed toy animals that were rabbits to go fight anacondas. Rabbits with tentacles or horns growing from their heads in Fort Collins. Yeah. Yeah, I've noticed these rabbits more than once while walking my dog.
Starting point is 01:33:42 And it turns out I'm not alone. So I reached out to Colorado Parks and Wildlife. It seems rabbits enjoy living in Fort Collins just as much as people. They're often spotted hopping through neighborhoods looking for grub. But some southeast Fort Collins neighbors noticed bunnies where cute wasn't exactly the word that came to mind. I stopped this photo of one of the rabbits I've seen with the growth. I also saw this photo posted on Reddit also spotted in Fort Collins. It's like a scabby-ish-looking kind of...
Starting point is 01:34:13 So they're saying it's just a viral infection. It's very common. It happens all the time. And rabbits sometimes grow horns and tentacles. Yeah, I don't think we're in the right timeline. It's not the timeline I remember from my childhood. But we could have tried to enlist these to fight the radiated wasps that are in South Carolina now. Irradiated wasps?
Starting point is 01:34:31 Yeah, they found a hornets, a wasp nest that had too much radiation. But the rabbits don't eat bugs. Well, I don't know. These are mutant rabbits. I don't know how they act. And there's also Chinese mosquito drones that are out there. So there's a lot to worry about. Have you ever seen that movie Parallel?
Starting point is 01:34:46 No. I recommend that one. It's pretty good. People find a mirror that can go to parallel versions of reality. Interesting. And then they go and they steal technology and they do other things. And I forgot why I was going to bring it up. Oh, yeah, I remember now.
Starting point is 01:35:01 Because they kill a guy. Spoiler alert's an old movie. But one of the guys dies. So they go in this parallel. They go to parallel realities. they abuse people, they steal money, and it's money, right? So they can use it here and they get rich
Starting point is 01:35:14 and they're ripping people off, stealing ideas. Well, one guy's like banging some chick, he gets shot, he dies. So they're like, what are we going to do if people find out that he died? So they dump his body in a parallel reality and then kidnap a parallel version, but their realities are all slightly different.
Starting point is 01:35:31 And so the parallel version doesn't know that they have this mirror. Like in their version of reality, they found the portal and the other versions they didn't. So then they do this scene where he's like freaking out and shaking. And he's like, when I was a kid, my mom used to read this book to me all the time. And it's called the Callahan Cats. And then the woman is like, what's the problem?
Starting point is 01:35:52 There's no G in Callahan. Nice. And it was like, it was a Mandela effect thing. So I started thinking about it. Agreed. I don't remember growing up and hearing about rabbits of tentacles. It's new to me. Cern's been kicked on a lot.
Starting point is 01:36:05 Yeah. Yeah, you heard of here first. I don't know. It's certainly weird. And there's been a lot of weird animal stuff happening in the news lately. Like what? Well, we talked about the rabbits and python fights that are happening, the fake rabbit robots and the Burmese pythons that they're using.
Starting point is 01:36:19 Rabbit robots are fighting pythons? They're using fake robot. They're robot rabbits. The real robot rabbits. Real robot rabbits to go after the Burmese pythons into Everglades. What? Yeah, that was last week's news. And do they look like rabbits?
Starting point is 01:36:31 Yeah, they're like kids stuffed animals, that they're asking you to donate if you have a stuffed animal. Oh, okay, hold on. They're taking stuffed animals. and baiting Burmys, or like, they're mechanized and they punch the snake? I'm hoping they are mechanized, but no, it's not that cool yet, but it will be. They were robot rabbits. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:36:47 Yeah, they got something going on, and I think they just drop them in there, and they have a thing inside them that makes them have a heat signature that tricks the anaconda. It doesn't say there's any bombs inside, so I don't understand how they're really getting the pythons, but... Did you imagine, like, you're a snake... If they turn on humans. And then you're eating a rabbit, but the rabbits just plush. You'd be like, this sucks.
Starting point is 01:37:06 The world is fake. worst rabbit ever eat. And then you explode. Yeah. Yeah, it's wild. So, yeah, that's what we talk about Inverted World Live. Yeah, we're here first. We got exorcisms tonight. We got this guy coming on talking about his exorcisms.
Starting point is 01:37:24 His father was a Satanist turned exorcist, and now he does exorcism, so. Do you think the rabbits might be possessed? Oh, for sure. Look, these things for definitely. Poor little things, man. They got diseases. Yeah, we're going to try to exercise him tonight. I just want to eat grass.
Starting point is 01:37:38 They want your soul. Excuse my naivete, but what exactly is an exorcism? It's pulling the demons out of you. And is that of a particular religion or? Usually Christians. Christians are the type of Christians are the type of Christians are the ones who do it the most. Catholics are the exorcists. Jews don't have exorcisms?
Starting point is 01:37:54 I don't know. I was trying to see if we had something similar. You believe in demons? No. No, Jews have demons. I mean, you're the expert a lot. But there are demons and they also have the gallum and all that stuff. Oh, yeah.
Starting point is 01:38:06 What's that? I'm not sure. but how's it's diverting he's diverting how's the exorcism performed like what do we do there's many ways it could be done remotely but typically in person
Starting point is 01:38:16 power prayer they might say stuff and there's stories where people start projectile vomiting and they wake up very tired didn't you see the movie bro I think people you should watch the movie 100% they get possessed
Starting point is 01:38:27 is this fringe or is this like common no dude the Catholic church performs them the Catholic church takes it very seriously a common practice still a common practice but they're exercising common MFers
Starting point is 01:38:37 I think there's a lot doing it. I mean, just these guys alone have done thousands. I heard that it's going up. So, like, if you're a bad Catholic kid, your parents will perform an exorcism on you? Like, I don't know if you're smoking drugs. Maybe. They might ask.
Starting point is 01:38:49 It might ask. It's way worse than a bad kid. They'll exercise you? It depends. It depends how you define bad. It's like when it's like an unruly child, like a Y and running about in the city. I don't think it's like that.
Starting point is 01:38:59 It's like when the Catholic Church decides if someone is going to be canonized as a saint. There are certain criteria that has to be met. before they'll even entertain the idea of sending an exorcist out. If they actually do meet a bunch of the criteria or meet the criteria, then the Catholic Church will send an actual exorcist out to actually evaluate the person. Then they'll go report back to probably a cardinal, and they'll be like, all right, this is what I saw, and there should be an exorcist. They do several per day.
Starting point is 01:39:27 The Catholic Church. Yeah. Several per day globally. On Catholics. No, on anybody. A lot, we're actually about to do one right now. You want to come in, Exorcist? I saw a cool one where.
Starting point is 01:39:37 I saw one where the guy put a mirror above the girl and then in the mirror you could see the demon and then he broke the mirror and Kenna Reeves was there. That was a good movie. It would have been better. Constantine's a great character but that movie was not Constantine. I had a degenerate buddy of mine when he was younger
Starting point is 01:39:56 his parents were extremely religious and he wasn't at all and like when he was a teenager they did an exorcism on him and it just screwed him more than he was already screwed up and we just think it was a joke because I didn't think it was a real thing But no, I guess they probably literally did this kid. Oh, yeah.
Starting point is 01:40:10 People get possessed, man. On that note. But the issue, I think, is a lot of people who say that they don't believe in the spiritual stuff, which I think is silly just because we don't know why it happened doesn't mean it did not happen. And so perhaps if you want to say a demon possessed this young girl, you can say, okay, well, you know, hold on. Fine, I don't believe that, but something did happen. Oh, yeah, I think there's spiritual warfare happening constantly. you know and possession is a very real thing
Starting point is 01:40:38 not something I used to say a lot my attitude towards that has definitely changed but it's changed from seeing what I believe are demons in real life especially when I go after children give me a example. The demon hunter's story you know when I went out with Alex Rosen to do that pedophile story and captured those guys who were going after little girls and looking
Starting point is 01:40:53 at their faces you look like you're looking past the skin suit into straight up evil and they can't contain it he pooped himself right in front of us it was disgusting yeah and it was you know those and that's just one group of who do it. And they do it all the time. Alex works every day all the time. Catching these guys. Have you seen the movie Constantine? No. So the DC character Constantine is fantastic. He's
Starting point is 01:41:15 kind of like a doctor strange for DC. When they made the first movie with Count of Reeves, they said that angels, there's half breeds, angels and demons that walk among us. And the demons basically, when you spray with holy water, their skin breaks off and you can see their demon form. Right. Yeah. I mean, we could go around DC and try that. But I mean, aside from the fact that the guy pooped himself and you can see the evil like have you aside from that witnessed something that was like exorcist style like head spinning or not like that no but i've just seen a lot of evil personally in my life whether it's people trying to get after children uh and not even in that story you know i've got to tell you that's not really all that compelling
Starting point is 01:41:55 to me yeah saying that sometimes people are evil doesn't mean they're demons what i've witnessed is people that i knew have their personalities change overnight for sure and this was during COVID. For sure. It was like, call it mass formation psychosis. Yeah. But there were people that I knew that within the span of three weeks, it was like they were a different person. Yep. As if I jumped into a portal and I was in a different reality or they were possessed. And I think people get possessed and some are better at hiding it. And then something switches. And all of a sudden you can see like when we caught these guys, they're normalish. And then all of a sudden they know they're caught like an animal and a trap. And you just see something changing their eyes. You know, I don't think it has to be,
Starting point is 01:42:33 I think a demon just wants to destroy innocent people and feed off human suffering. So it's like it doesn't have to be like what you see at the head spinning. I think it's just anything that goes after trying to destroy the innocent is evil. And we're surrounded by it. If you're going to go to D.C. to try and throw holy water on some young people. Schiff. Oh, I wasn't even thinking the young people. I was thinking politicians.
Starting point is 01:42:55 Yeah, this will then, yeah. You'll get arrested. Same circumstance. I'll call it assault. I'll give you, I'll give you some body armor to wear. It's because if you're going to throw anything at Congress That's that bad No, but like if you have one of those
Starting point is 01:43:07 Like they have those shakers Where it just puts drops of holy water They'll legit arrest you for assault Yeah All right, maybe worth it They're gonna be like How did Mr. Schiff How did you get those burns
Starting point is 01:43:17 And he's gonna be like he assaulted me If you throw holy water on Adam Schiff It will likely Look like you're throwing acid on a normal human beings Sorry I'm trying to save people You know? Yeah just trying to save people We've got breaking news
Starting point is 01:43:32 but I know I know you're going to run. Let me hear this and I'm going to run out. Hannity's reporting a Democrat whistleblower has claimed Adam Schiff authorized the leaking of classified information to smear Donald Trump. Oh, man. Continues to unravel. According to our friend John Solomon
Starting point is 01:43:47 and a new report tonight just out and he will join us in just a moment. A Democrat whistleblower repeatedly was warning the FBI beginning in 2017 that the congenital liar, Adam Schiff, had authorized leaking, classified information to smear President Trump, which, by the way,
Starting point is 01:44:05 could be a violation of the Espionage Act. He was more on this breaking report. So we knew he was doing that. It was all very obvious, but I'm glad we've got some confirmation. Lock him up. It was a great show. Thank you, thank you guys.
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Starting point is 01:46:32 the numbers. Yep. So that DC number could actually be way higher if the population is smaller and they're lying. So the per capita could be crazier. I think there's also like an issue with how a lot of crimes are reported. These are obviously only crimes that do get reported and then there's like breakdowns on how many
Starting point is 01:46:51 are actually solved or something. So like we're not getting a clear picture out of these police reports. I think under Biden, didn't L.A. like literally just not give crime statistics. Yeah, that's what we're dealing with. Eric Shaver says, if a country can't keep track of the number of people it has,
Starting point is 01:47:05 how can they keep track of the amount of money it has? Yep. Trump should conscript the Red Army to displace all public housing and low-income residents to a reservation 50 miles outside of every major city.
Starting point is 01:47:17 After all, that's what white flight was. Ha. All right, Dimension 14B says the left needs census fraud, illegal immigration, lawfare, unrest, and high crime. They are not our neighbors with different opinions. Their intention is to destabilize and destroy the U.S.
Starting point is 01:47:32 Yeah. Shooter 4432 says, please welcome our baby girl to the world. She was born yesterday. Eliza Gray, say healthy baby girl. What do you think about hospitals trying to induce babies a lot more now? I think that's basically the practice. I think inducing the labor is normal for all of them. Yeah, they do it for every single baby. They're like, you don't want the baby. be to stay in too long. So we're going to say now's the time. If they induce it, like it doesn't have to be a C-section if they induce, correct? Okay. Bill Doger says, Kirk Cameron warned us, oh, the rapture, Tim.
Starting point is 01:48:09 We've been left behind. Well, Kirk Cameron's still here, so he got left behind too, I guess. Roflo says, Elad lands in Tel Aviv. He hears a spectral voice saying in Hebrew, if you build it, they will come. Then I'llad finds his life mission, disproving the dead Israel theory. Go Elad, go Tel Aviv. Go to Tel Aviv. You guys will never get rid of me as an American citizen I'm never leaving
Starting point is 01:48:30 It was funny because Sean thought Elad was Indian Sean thought I don't go to the White House He thought wait even though you said Even though you were like here doing the White House reporting He didn't believe it No he was like dude I don't even know if you ever go there And I was like
Starting point is 01:48:44 It's like shit man are you trying to get me fired I don't know I'm saying some interesting things the other day To say today in the green room show He was like well Alad's Indian And we were like what This guy is Jewish for me.
Starting point is 01:48:57 Strip me of my one, my best quality, my jury? I said he's not Indian, he's Pakistani. And then we called up and I was like, settle the debate for us. Are you Pakistani or Indian? Odd. It's an odd boll.
Starting point is 01:49:07 Yeah, it was funny. All right, what do we have here? What do we have here? Let's see. Bill Dozer says, Shane and Vince are correct on Israel. Elad needs to stop using a dradle. I'm not reading that.
Starting point is 01:49:21 Okay. It's not Hanukkah yet. I can't use the dreidel. Eric Shaver. says homosexuality in men is projected on them by women who don't find them attractive as much as women love babies they would never give the last man on earth a choice it's a coping mechanism
Starting point is 01:49:34 hmm hmm gay theory I guess and then do wimral if phil dislikes AI so much he's really going to hate neurosama and evil I'm the only person here that's actually pro AI I think it's a scam is what I think there's a lot of just Indians no I mean
Starting point is 01:49:55 I think there are some practical uses for it, but I think it's greatly exaggerated by like the top 20 stocks in the American economy to keep the economy propped up right now. If it were to come out right now that's AI doesn't produce half as much as they promised, then our economy would totally crash right now because our economy, again, is propped up by the top seven tech stocks who are heavily, heavily propped up because of the marketability of AI. I sent you a text message with a video, a clip of the All In podcast this weekend. And as soon as I listened to it, I thought of you, watch it and at least expand your understanding of what AI is. People's belief in AI is almost to the point of a religious zealotry. It has to be true at this point also as a fact of the markets, to keep the markets in place. But the way these tech CEOs talk about AI is almost religious fanaticism, frankly. How?
Starting point is 01:50:47 Because they are saying, oh, this huge technology that is definitely going to change our lives in these manifest way, an X amount of years that it's going to have a substantial change on all of our lives on how we do everything. It's not religious. I feel like it does sound religious, frankly.
Starting point is 01:51:01 Sounds like the guys investing in a company. Their commitment to their ideas and the power of AI sounds like religious solitary to me. I think you're exaggerating because you don't like AI. No, I mean, I think it's exaggerated
Starting point is 01:51:15 on what it could do and I think there's a big bubble that's going to pop in the next five years. I think it's application in real life is being over-promised and will under-deliver. And we'll see how it goes
Starting point is 01:51:26 and how this pans out. Listen, the video... It makes no sense to me how we have seen the evolution of AI over the past few years and it's been exponential and insane. And there are people like you who are like, I plug in your ears
Starting point is 01:51:37 and be like, it's not happening, it's not happening. This is not trying to be a criticism of you, but you're talking about AI from a place of ignorance. You don't know anything about AI. You're like, oh, it's all just LLMs, et cetera. It's all AI is not LLMs. you already see AI used in many, many applications every single day, and you don't even think
Starting point is 01:51:57 about it, the chess bot that plays, that people play, like when you're playing against the computer, that's all AI. When you see video games, the non-player characters, that's all AI. Some of them are good, some of them are bad, but the idea that it's all the same and that it's all just about investment, that's totally wrong. And the video that I sent you points to the fact that a lot of the investment, you, you, that goes into AI is being spent on actual chips like the GPUs and the GPUs burn up.
Starting point is 01:52:29 These are physical things. One of the reasons why there was such a big bubble with the internet when it was starting. It was actually a telecommunications level when they talk about this. But what they were doing was they were laying the foundation for the internet. They were laying the underground wires
Starting point is 01:52:43 across the ocean and installing what we use as an internet infrastructure. And it cost, it was a, a big initial investment and the bubble popped because all of this stuff that was put in took time to get, be utilized. The AI that's being used nowadays, the money that's going into it are going into actual GPUs that literally melt when they get overused. So it's an actual physical thing in the real world that gets produced and they buy it and you're talking about, you know, 50 grand for one of them. Not just that movie studios have already said they're laying off their VFX. apartments. True. And they're doing all their movies in AI. And Phil and I have been sitting here
Starting point is 01:53:29 with these AI songs that I played a song on my acoustic guitar. I played a riff that I wrote. It was a minute long, loaded it into an AI, and then said, finish the song, and it finished a four-minute song based off of my riff with full mastering, background, ambience, base, everything. It's crazy. And it's remarkable to me that people are like, AI will never capture the true soul of music. And it's like, it will create a facsimile that agreed. You're not going to get those imperfections of
Starting point is 01:53:59 Bob Marley or whoever, but it's going to be indistinguishable to the average person. Indistinguishable. And it's going to eliminate. Already, I saw a post a month ago where it was like, you can actually go into most LLMs and ask it to isolate
Starting point is 01:54:15 a certain job that can be fully automated, and it'll break down automating a specific job. it's happening there's going to be an AI revolution where people are already marrying these robots they're they are getting a degree of him of of a facsimile of human interaction that's wiping their brains so all this is happening it's happening before your eyes you're just choosing not to engage I want to ask you to put some numbers to it so how soon within five within 10 years what percent of our jobs in America do you think will disappear as a result of AI well as of right now I mean so let's we can do some we can look it up
Starting point is 01:54:49 How many people work in VFX in 2024? Let's see what it says. So there's 582 VFX houses between 31 and 117,000 employees. So I can estimate that within a year or two, those jobs will be gone. I don't think all of those jobs will be gone. Somebody will still have to put these movies together. No, no, no, no, no. The VFX people are not the people putting the movies together.
Starting point is 01:55:21 These, the movie production companies outsource certain scenes to VFX houses. So they will film a scene, a good example, in Superman. He's walked, there was a trailer where Superman's walking and someone throws a candidateist head and he blinks. People made fun of it saying it's Superman. Why would that happen? So they, they edited it to make it so it doesn't blink. That kind of stuff gets outsourced to VFX houses.
Starting point is 01:55:47 The movie production is production companies. So that's why when you see a movie, it'll say like five different companies were involved in making it. The VFX houses are gone. Music production studios are going to be gone. So it's not that I don't think there will be any, no utility to AI.
Starting point is 01:56:03 I do believe that there will be utility to AI, maybe on the edge cases. I'm not even especially compelled by the examples that you're given. Oh, in music and in movies, I don't think these are economy-changing initiatives and types of technology. I don't think this justifies the quadrupling, the four, five, six X times that we're seeing on the top seven stock markets that are just constantly bolstering their different alleged AI products and how it's involved in their technology. That is remarkably ignorant.
Starting point is 01:56:32 The recorded music industry is a $17.7 billion revenue generator per year. Sure. And I think this technology will have influences on our economy, but I think people are over-promising. All that money is still going to exist. because it largely comes from consumers, people consuming the music, that $17.7 billion will likely grow and be isolated into a few small hands of the IP owners.
Starting point is 01:56:58 Have you seen Nvidia stock over the past five years? And? I'm saying, have you seen it? You believe that its valuation is justified based on the AI technology that's propping it up, right? Based on the fact. It's probably a little high. The products that they develop get used up
Starting point is 01:57:13 and they're continuing to make newer and fast. chips, right? So these GPUs actually get used up. They have a life. And so every time they develop a new chip that's faster, you're making a product. This isn't some kind of bubble where there's nothing there. They're making a physical product that is being used in the real world and they get hot. That's a big reason why they need all that, the air conditioning systems and stuff like that for all these data centers. They use them up. Wow. Dude, the movie industry employs approximately 2.32 million people paying a staggering $229 billion in wages annually. Now imagine that amount of money, let's just say those jobs, 2.3 million jobs and a good portion of them are gone.
Starting point is 01:58:07 Gone. That's what AI is going to do. The movie and entertainment history is massive. you're not going to need to all these subscription services the hundreds of millions they spend making a Spider-Man movie don't need to do it anymore. It can be 10 people in a room brainstorming and then clicking a button on Google to make the movie. They're going to they're going to need a script writer and a compliance director or whatever and then they're going to have their executive producer. The script
Starting point is 01:58:36 writer's going to make it. He's going to say, I don't even want to read the script. Just load it and I'll watch the film. They're going to sit down and watch it and then go some artifacting there and there. Spider-Man should throw a punch there, and it's going to take a week or two to tweak it and get those things right, and then the movie is complete, and it's going to be three guys,
Starting point is 01:58:52 and they are going to make most of that money themselves personally. I hope I'm wrong about AI, because if I'm not, then our economy will have a big correction to make with how much our top 10 stocks are heavily invested in... And it sounds like you are trying to argue that AI won't affect us because you desperately want to believe.
Starting point is 01:59:10 No, no, I said it will affect us, and it will have impacts on our economy. I'm saying that it's not justified in the valuation of how these stock prices are shooting up as a result of their marketing of AI. I think they're being very clever in how they're marketing their different AI and large language models
Starting point is 01:59:25 and I don't think the shoot-up in the stock of like Google or MEDA or, again, like, NVIDIA or Taiwan Semiconductor is justified. You have no basis for what that's thing. No, because it's like 50 times their PEDs. It's like, again, these companies are overvalued by time. makes things. If you are like, okay, look,
Starting point is 01:59:45 the processing, the software that they're writing these LLMs on or whatever, if that's the thing that you're criticizing, maybe there's an argument. But again, Nvidia makes the most advanced GPUs that are being used. We're out of time, but basically,
Starting point is 02:00:01 if you're arguing that a company that makes a physical product that is consumed isn't worth what it's selling, that's a weird, like, fine, I guess. But your argument is that AI, isn't actually going to be as useful, that's a, that is, that is a meritless opinion. My argument is that over the past two and a half years, Nvidia stock has shot up 15, 1,500% and there's a PE ratio of 60.
Starting point is 02:00:24 And their sales? I don't have their revenue sales, but for their P-E-E-Ratio, their P-E ratio is close to 60. That means it's way overvalue. That means as to compare to what they're earning, their stock is extremely overvalid. If you guys, right, do you understand what a P-E ratio is? So, so that's what I think. I think that AI as a marketing tool, It's clever marketing to make these stocks extremely overvalued.
Starting point is 02:00:44 That's my point. Blood. Do you know why NVIDIA stock is going up? Yeah, because of AI hype. You are wrong. No, it's AI. I think that has something. The GPUs are used for crypto mining, and that sparked the initial burst in the GPU stocks.
Starting point is 02:00:57 Tim, when NVIDIA mentions AI is when their stock market shows, is when their stock share shows. The big, that's what's happening in the way. The reason why NVIDA started skyrocketing was because the expansion of crypto. AI is a big component recently, but you've got crypto. Bitcoin, that massive expansion over the past 10 years, caused a massive spike in the demand for GPUs because GPUs are used to mine cryptocurrencies, largely
Starting point is 02:01:19 Bitcoin. Correct. And that is the reason why Nvidia started selling like crazy. There's also the very vanilla reason of video games are the most popular form of entertainment, and GPUs are used in all of your PC video games. We're going to go to the uncensored portion of the show, my friend, so smash that like button,
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