Timcast IRL - Trump DOJ Indicts James Comey, The ARRESTS Have BEGUN w/ Joseph Moulton

Episode Date: September 26, 2025

Tim, Phil, Raymond, & Tate are joined by Joseph Moulton to discuss former FBI Comey indicted by the Trump DOJ, Democrats crying "civil war" after the anti ICE shooting in Dallas, Trump signing a new order to crack down on leftist violence, and California banning federal agents from wearing masks.   Hosts:  Tim @Timcast (everywhere) Phil @PhilThatRemains (X) Raymond @raymondgstanley (X) Tate @RealTateBrown (everywhere) Serge @SergeDotCom (everywhere) Guest: Joseph Moulton @jwmoultonGC (X)

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BetMGM operates pursuant to an operating agreement with iGaming Ontario. The Trump DOJ has indicted James Comey for obstruction and lying to Congress. Oh boy. Here we go. Now, apparently there was some other attorney who wasn't going to do it for some reason said either the case wasn't strong enough, didn't want to. So Trump said, get him out of there, get somebody else. And now it is getting done. They had only five days left until the statute of limitations was up. So it looks like Trump is getting just what he wants. And this, ladies and gentlemen, is a massive escalation at the political level. Trump and his team, and for other reasons, all of you, better beg, hope and pray that the Republicans win the midterms and that J.D. Vance wins in 2028 because they went after Trump.

Trump, of course, was going to get back at those who violated the middle. the law. But if these people ever get near the seat of power again, the gloves are off, and I thought they already were off. But it is going to be nuts. We also have other escalation at the physical level. New information pretended to the anti-ice leftist terrorist. He was planning this for a long time. He had been researching ice tracker apps using them and apparently had searched for Charlie Kirk assassination videos. And the inking on the the cartridges may have been him copying what the Charlie Kirk alleged assassin was doing. So, wow, Daily Beast is actually now writing about Trump warning of civil war, and that surprises

me because here's the left coming out and basically saying it's coming. But to be honest, go to blue sky. Just seriously go to blue sky or threads and read what these people are saying. And yeah, yeah, there is a serious escalation. Aside from all of that, I guess World War III again, I don't know how many times we need. to say it, so it's probably not worth saying, but Russia has basically stated that NATO is at war with them, and emergency meetings are happening. Russian jets violating U.S. airspace. Holy crap. So must I say to all of you, may you live in uninteresting times? Holy crap.

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What's going on, guys? Tate Brown here, holding it down. Before I start, Pastor Voddy Bakum died about an hour ago. I know a lot of people in the audience will know who that is. I just want to say rest in peace. He was very loved. So, yeah. Sad to here.

What's up, friends? It's Raymond G, your favorite blue color here at Timcast Media Group. I look forward to talking to Joseph and everyone else. Mr. Phil. Hello, everybody. My name is Phil Labonte. I'm the lead center of Heavy Metal and All the Remains. I'm an anti-communist and counter-revolutionary.

Let's get into it. Here's ABC News, because you know we love him. former FBI director James Comey indicted days after Trump demanded his DOJ move now to prosecute enemies. Prosecutors earlier said they couldn't establish probable cause to charge Comey, which is a lie. Because we've got this post from Greg Price, which is hilarious. On the left, James Comey telling Congress in September of 2020 that the steel dossier wasn't used in the 2016 Intelligence Committee Assessment on the Rush Oaks. Right. Tulsi Gabbard's release from July showing the steel dossier was. directly cited and that Obama intel officials overruled senior intel officials who told them

it was garbage. Now, I believe he's being indicted on obstruction as well. Former FBI director James Comey has been indicted on two of three counts sought by prosecutors. One count of making false statements and one count of obstruction of justice, just days after President Donald Trump issued a public demand for his DOJ to act now to bring prosecutions against Comey and other political foes. The charges followed Trump's ousting of U.S. attorney for the Eastern District of Virginia, Eric Siebert, who according to source that expressed doubts internally about bringing cases against Comey, as well as New York Attorney General Letitia James, after Trump appointed him to lead the office. I would just like to point out where we are in this country. They went after

Donald Trump on fake charges. Trump says, okay, if that's the standard, we go after them as well. It's remarkable to me that under the Biden administration and in New York, they said, well, these are highly dubious, but let's bring them anyway. And then under Trump, the attorneys are like, well, we can't really do it enough. The standard was set by the Democrats. Trump is saying, hey, look, you want to come after me citing mortgage fraud or civil fraud for loans? Because an officer made a mistake on some numbers. He's going to go after Letitia James when she claimed a property outside of New York was her primary residence, which gave her favorable loan terms.

I think the same thing is true for Adam Schiff, but we'll see what happens there. And now you have James Comey. Now, James Comey said they didn't use the steel dossier. Tulsi Gabbard says we went through that, here we go. Here's an I-C report showing they did. What's the problem? What's the problem? Let me say this, though.

I will say this of myself and pretty much anybody who's prominent in this space. Y'all better pray Trump doesn't lose this fight. Because we've already seen what they're willing to do to their media adversaries. We've seen what the left and the Democrats have been willing to do to run-of-the-mill Trump's supporters who bounced around on January 6. I ain't talking about the writers. I'm talking to the people who are milling about after the riot was over, who also got a year plus in jail or solitary. Going after James Comey, this is not a shot across the bow. The Democrats already ignited the flames, and Trump is simply responding. So it is now on. At the highest level of politics,

Trump has told the deep state, you are going down. At the street level, We are dealing with three terror attacks in three weeks. So you guys tell me what's happening in this country. I mean, look, as far as the situation with Comey, it's good that they're indicting him. It's good that a grand jury decided that they had enough evidence to prosecute. It's good that they are, that they've actually moved on this, didn't let the statute of limitations run out. But I see this online, like people tweeting at like Cash Patel and people tweeting at, Republican lawmakers saying, hey, make the leftists stop killing us.

Like, that's where we're at, right? So it's great that they put Comey in, or that they're going to, that they're going to, or that Comey's indicted, and they're going to prosecute. That's all well and good. But we've actually gone past the need for that. I got, I got to interject. If we do not see justice on the highest level of these people, the street level stuff is immaterial. This is

the most important thing. Look, obviously street-level law enforcement needs to stop far-left terror and antiphon all that. Because another thing, we got a lot of news. Trump has ordered his DOJ to go after all of these leftists and all the structures. Ground level is important. But if Comey,

Clinton, and their ilk are able to gain power again, I have zero concern whatsoever for antifa. Phil, you'll be in a gulag. Just make sure you share with me your sandwich at lunchtime. It doesn't matter. The thing is, it doesn't matter if they put Comey away because this is it doesn't matter if it's Comey or who the individuals are because there are other people that will be pursuing those those those places in the

administration there's going to be a Democrat that's going to be running there's going to be people in the bureaucracy that will want to or there will be people in on the Democrat side that will will fill the roles and they're going to act the same you don't need to wipe out the entire every single soldier on the enemy's battlefield if you if you if you, if you, if you shatter their center and the rest of them flee, if Trump can get these, if, if simply these indictments and these charges against Comey, Leticia James, potentially shift, anybody else, if that breaks their ranks, those people you're describing are going to run for the hills. They'll find them, so, oh, what's that? They've, they're already getting citizenship in foreign countries. Italy, I hear. I mean, well, look, it would be great if they, if they fled the country, obviously. But I do think that, that on the, I think the ground level is the thing that's that's more immediate. Like the idea. Well, but you can do both.

Why not? I'm not, again, I'm not saying, like I said, it's good that they got him. It's good that they're, that they've indicted him. And I want to see more. I'm not saying that it's not, you know, it shouldn't happen or whatever. I'm saying it's, you arrest these people in the ground stuff disappears. I don't know that I agree with that. I think so.

They'll lose all their funding and all their legal support. Right now, with the infrastructure. of power in place, these people might actually get off on the charges. Well, I mean, the dude that, you know, initially, that just most recently shot up the ICE facility, he took care of it himself. And that's something that actually happens fairly regularly. Like, they'll go and it'll be suicide by cop or they'll commit suicide themselves. Hi, I'm Chris Gathard, and I'm very excited to tell you about beautiful anonymous, a podcast where I talk to random people on the phone. I tweet out a phone number, thousands of people try

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off the air, if the Democrats that waged lawfare against Trump are in prison, and what remains are the squishy middle of the road soft Democrats who are like, I'm not going to support you that stuff, you will stop this cultural movement on the ground level. Their infrastructure that pays them to, they gives them resources to be on the ground, that bails them out of jail will evaporate overnight. It's, it's, the way I look at it is you've got an infestation and all you're doing is chasing the bugs that you can see instead of going into the walls and finding the hive.

So, of course, if we had a wasps nest in the building and they were flying around, we'd be swatting the wasps to get rid of them when we see them. But we'd also call an exterminator to go in the walls, figure out the nest is,

and get the nest torn out. This is substantially more important, in my opinion. Getting rid of the individual actors will stop the individual actor at the time, but how do you stop them from reproducing? And it's moves like this. I totally.

Well, I mean, this is probably the biggest test, one of the biggest tests of the DOJ so far, because, I mean, this was a buzzer beater, right? Like the statute of limitations September 30th, that's when Comey last testified, September 30th, 2020. And so, like, to prove that he didn't have any knowledge of the statement, to prove, like, perjury in this case, it's a really high bar. That's why this is a buzzer beater in this case is because they needed to build this case to the best of their abilities. And so this is like, because these things matter. These things are, like Tim is saying, you're cutting the head of the snake that's like... I think the issue is that if Trump got in on day one and said, go arrest Comey, he'd be like, I ain't doing it. And that's literally what we saw. They're going to be like, this is crazy.

You're asking me to go to war with the deep state right now. And, you know, I talked to Seb Gorka a couple months ago and I asked him, has the deep state lost? Have we won? He says no. The deep state is still very much there and we are battling with them. So right now with this move against Comey, you know powerful, prominent uniparty elite establishment international elements are saying Trump wants war, he'll get war. And I'm talking about lawfare, legal actions. If Trump can just go now, and it's fascinating because what did we hear was at the end of summer we were to start seeing these arrests, I think you can send them packing. You know, now there's rumors that he might, he's looking into criminal activity of the Soros. his foundations,

open society and things like that, and they're going to get it. They're going to get it. Is that not really where they need to be targeting, though, these funding bases? There's always going to be another James Comey's going to step into the role. That lobby and that media empire is so big. There's so much power that comes along into it.

I'm sure it's not going to be super difficult to let someone also kind of, they can cultivate another individual like him. I would, I'd say no. Those financial bases and that sort of media base is really what he probably needs to hit to kind of provide that sort of long-term, that longevity that's going to allow them to win in the by-election, but also it wouldn't get to 2028 as well.

My argument to your question, wouldn't that just be another Comey? The answer is no. You think so? Yeah, if Trump says, go to war with me and I'll destroy your life and you'll regret it, people are going to say, I ain't going to war with Trump.

And that's what I'm talking about. They tried to play that game. The problem is Democrats have always been fairly weak. And let me clarify or qualify that statement. They're willing to go insane. They are willing to send people on the ground. But as people,

the only fear generated by the Democratic Party is the system itself which they inherit, not which they've built. Trump's a lunatic. Trump is the guy that people actually think he might press the button. You know, he had that famous phone call where he told Putin and Xi,

he told Xi if you invade Taiwan and Putin, if you invade, what did he say, Kiev, Ukraine, I'm going to nuke you. And he was like, I don't know if they believed me, maybe 5%. And everyone's kind of like, you know, when Trump says it, you pause for a second.

Because when Obama says it, no one actually believes it. Is that not just that sort of Nixonite, mad dog sort of mentality, that Nixon's crazy, he's unpredictable. And like, you know, obviously they went after Nixon again with the lawfare type thing. I don't think Nixon's got, I don't think N's got anything on Trump. No, Trump put out a public statement saying, Pam, go arrest my enemies now. And so what I think he's hoping for, that was a shot across the bow.

I think he's hoping the next in line for a position like Comey, which wouldn't even come unless they win in 2028, is saying like, dude, best be a fisherman than meddle in the politics of man. That's what Trump is hoping for right now. There's no guarantees it happened. That's why I'm saying if Trump loses, it's war. Trump needs to make sure he puts the fear of God in these people, I should say of the federal law enforcement apparatus and makes them regret it. They did it to him and they lost.

And now I say lock them up. Trump's getting old, though. I mean, like, you're talking about going to warfare with Trump. He's going to be, no offense to Trump, but he's getting older in age. So if they go after him, say he does retaliation against Comey, good. And Ms. Laetitia James, that's cool. But when he gets out of office, who are they going to fight? Who's going to get in Trump's place to fight against them?

Vance. You really think so? Yeah, Vance is going on X calling people dip itched. I'm not going to swear. Right, you know, but I saw that and I said, that's what I voted for. Is it your opinion that there is no one? uh my no i'd not well vans would be my only guess as of right now but i don't think i think there's any trump out there today the trump side has an amazing bench and the democrats have none

yeah well also that's why this is important because you have to make an example out of comie like tim was saying for any future FBI director make an example out of letitia james like this lawfare crap is not going to slide so whoever that is it doesn't really matter whoever it is that replaces trump trump's giving that person breathing room now they're not going to have the boot on their neck of whatever, you know, God forbid, a Democrat administration comes back in and they appoint all these chowderheads. He can give us a little breathing room if he sets the example here and sets it down. If, you know, I feel bad for you, Tate, because like, if a new Democrat administration gets in, I'll be 42, 43, I had a good life, went on adventures. How old

do you take? 24. 24, man. Being in a gulag at 26, 27, all the best years taken away. But you're right. It gives other people room down the road. You're going to say about it. I'm saying, look at Phil. Rocking out, rock star stage, platinum records. And then he doesn't got to worry about the gulag till he's in the 50s. He'll be rocking with the rocks. AOC puts me in the quirked up white boy camp.

It's going to be terrible. Oh, I'm not looking forward to it. You're going to be in AOC's harem. Oh. She likes those white. I mean, he does. Listen, there's worse places to be. She does like the redheaded white boys.

You got to wear sandals, too. You know, I'm not going to disavow. Well, yeah, that's good. You're right. If he does. If it does get through when he prosecutes these people, that gives people down the road a leeway, an open path to go and say,

okay, we're going to prosecute you. You want it to go against us. Here we go. From the Daily Beast, do I have to say it, or does somebody else? Trump's sinister warning of Civil War. After ICE shooting.

Super excited. Democrats said the president's comments were sick and deranged. Oh, boy. President Donald Trump has warned Democrats that bad things will happen to them if right-wing people decide to retaliate amid growing tensions over this week's deadly shooting at a Texas immigration facility. While investigations into the shooting are still ongoing, the president has made it clear

that he believes the radical leftist solely responsible for Wednesday's tragedy. I mean, they literally did a press conference and they were like, yep, he was a leftist and he hated Trump and he said he wanted to strike fear and terror into the hearts of ICE agents, so they never know if there's a sniper waiting on the rooftop for him. No law enforcement officers were hurt in the incident, but authorities say the shooting was politically motivated targeting ICE agents who are central to Trump's deportation strategy. Asked in the Oval Office on Thursday, who was to blame, Trump said he did not doubt the radical left is causing the problem. He also named check people such as Democrat Congressman

and Jasmine Crockett, who's been critical of ICE's heavy-handed tactics. But despite calls to turn down the temperature in America, the president went even further, warning that things were only going to get worse for one side. Quote, bad things will happen when they play these games. I'll give you a little clue. The right is a lot tougher than the left. They better not get that get they better not get them energized because it won't be good for the left it'll be a point where other people won't take it anymore and we don't want that now the funny thing is Trump didn't say civil war daily beasted I did not say civil war daily beasted the fascinating thing is while for the past several years people have largely criticized me for covering these articles and

talking about this possibility in the past two or three years it has largely been the last warning that a civil war was coming. No joke, go to Blue Sky or Reddit. And so we did a few segments on this show where I went to Reddit and looked up all the leftist subreddits where they were basically, they were all saying literally civil war is coming. And I think it's because they knew that Trump was going to win. More importantly, when Trump took a bullet and narrowly survived, everyone on X, left and right said we were millimeters away from a civil war.

Now, with the, I'm going to say it again, three terror attacks in three weeks. I fully, I tweeted this last night. Am I going to go to bed and wake up to news of another terror attack? Like, honestly, it's been insane. Waking up and I woke up in the morning and it's like ice facility shut up. It's just going to keep getting worse because they won't stop. On CNN the other night, Bacari Sellers is basically once again pushing and pushing and pushing. And what I can't understand is why right now, not a single Democrat on any of these shows just says, guys, everybody cool it, stop.

Conservatives do it all the time. conservatives beg for it to stop certainly don't get me wrong there are liberals and democrats who have called for it however they tend to be lower in notoriety I saw a former a former spokesperson for Biden or whatever

on Fox say yeah we don't want this and I'm like but no one knows who that is just no following and no influence there's not one prominent Democrat that has come out and said stop attacking law enforcement let law enforcement do their job which is the most most and

basic thing that you want to hear out of a representative. If you're a Democrat and you actually want to see the temperature turned down and you don't want to see more violence, then you need to come out and say, stop inhibiting law enforcement from doing their job. Stop calling them the Gestapo. Stop telling them that they have to take their masks off because you know if they take their masks off. What's going to happen is their family is going to be doxed.

families will be attacked, stop doing all of the stuff that you're doing that is not saying law enforcement has a job and they are empowered to do it. Just stop doing that. And then I might believe that you actually want the violence to stop. And until then, I don't believe that you want the violence to stop. No, I got to interject there. Masks should come off. And I do agree that, you know, they need to tone the rhetoric down, which can include the mask commentary. But I do think the feds should not wear masks. I think if you want to go out proudly in defense of this nation, you must accept those risks. And I do not appreciate, and I certainly understand, I am here every single night with my face on camera. I have been doxed. I have been swatted numerous

times. I've been attacked. I understand my job doesn't require me to be on the ground in front of these people. But that's something they accept even with masks on, that there is a physical danger, they are experiencing. I think we cannot play a game where we have federal law enforcement being like the threat of terrorism is so serious, we have to hide ourselves. I think each and every one of these officers engaging in this should take their masks off and say, I am name, you know, John Smith, a proud American legally and lawfully enforcing the law, you are terrorists and we won't stand for it. That's it. I'm sorry, I'm not playing this. Federal law enforcement, make it to hide their faces because they're scared.

We know. I get it. And I feel for you because the left are violent psychopaths. But I don't think this is how we should be handling it. I think we should be, we have to be, I don't know, steadfast, vigilant, and I don't know, just we have to face this challenge head on. If we're better than them real quick, if we think we're better than which we are and we think we are, and we feel a certain way we should take off you're right i like the idea of taking off the mask because we stand for a purpose and a point nope everyone's putting everyone's posting ones you're all

wrong like i i am not going to tolerate i i will not live in a country where cops walk around with no badge numbers and masks on covering their faces because they're scared because they're scared you are you are operating under color of law you are entitled to do so you are protected to do so and fear of far left terror i do not believe is a good enough reason that regular people should have to live with cops walking around in all black. I mean, I think there has to be some sort of preemptive measures for them. These people with families and kids and livelihoods, like, yes, they're representing the federal government.

But I mean, of course, they're scared. But there hasn't been a lot of, you know, preemptive measures to counter this far left terrorism. I mean, we're starting to see it now following the Charlie Kirk's assassination. But these guys are going to want guarantees. Otherwise, I imagine a lot of them will just walk out their jobs if they're told they have to have to have to amask. You know, they're living next to these people.

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And if the argument is the threat of far-left terror is so pervasive in our hometowns that our own police officers have to hide their identities, you're in a civil war. End of story, no argument. Let me say it again to everyone out there that are telling me, you're telling me that I have to live in a country where any cop anywhere is going to not have a badge number visible. They're going to cover their faces so they can't be doxed. I don't get to know who they are. You are at war when that is the reality. If that's what you're saying. And I got no problem with that's the reality.

agree with you then if you want to say civil war has begun then i'll say okay mask up because i understand the argument law enforcement may quit we'll have nobody willing to actually do the job because the far left is going to come for their families yeah you're at war if you if you're saying they're insurgent terrorists all across this country that will kill you and your family you are at war that's just that that's what i think it is i think that people don't realize particularly on the right They don't realize how aggressive and vicious, you know, these people really are. I don't think that, you know, as a society, that we've really stepped back and looked at it because the media institutions are kind of, they're encouraging it, right?

Like all this dehumanizing language, like calling them the Gestapo. I mean, that's what it's for us, to dehumanize them to justify violence. Let me ask, I'm going to ask you guys a quick question. Why does Antifa wear masks? So no knows who they are. And why don't they want to know who they are? Because they're doing bad things. But what, but that's not an answer.

Oh, it was an answer, but they don't want them to know because they're a group. They're like a blob of group of people. Why does Antifa wear masks? They wear masks and, well, the black block wear masks and stuff so that way they can blend back into the crowd. And what does that accomplish for them? So that way they won't get arrested. Well, they will get arrested.

They're anonymous. A cop can grab anybody off the street and arrest them regardless of what they're wearing. The purpose of wearing a mask is so that you can't take pictures of their face. You can't share their information online. And if they get caught, you can't prosecute them because you can't prove beyond a reason doubt. We are asking for that same thing with our law enforcement as well. And if you want to acknowledge that we are saying we want our law enforcement to go out, you can't figure out who they are, you can't take pictures of their face, anything that happens in the fray, we won't

be able to pinpoint which officer necessarily because just like Antifa, we have created a large group of individuals that are wearing the exact same clothes and you can't see their face. This means that if one of these guys in a conflict with the far left cracks a skull or whatever, they can't do anything legally about it. If that's the argument you're going to make, we are in a civil war period. Well, the big thing with ICE that we're all missing here is that the reason they have to mask primarily is because they're dealing with drug bust and the cartel. And that's a massive infrastructure, especially in the southwest United States. And they've been masking for like 10 years now. And it's primarily because, okay, yes, there is a factor at the far left

where they docks these guys. But the ICE is in a completely different battlefield from the rest of, like, I guess you would say the right wing, is because ICE is having to deal with the cartel. They're having to deal with these drug busts and busting up these human trafficking, you know, routes and these sorts of things. So it's like it's not the far left they're worried about. Like if you talk to these ICE agents, typically it's the cartels and the retribution from those guys is what they're typically right about. I get it. I agree. I respect that argument for sure. But again, I'm going to say this bottom line.

If y'all want to say we're at war, then war powers. And what does that mean? Guys, if you're arguing that our federal law enforcement should be able to wear masks because of wartime conditions, I'm actually going to push you one further and say, you are not giving our men and women enough. If the argument is the threat of the far left terror is so great against their families, we've got to step it up. Not just masks. They got to get more. They need selective fire rifles. They need full military, everything.

They already have select fire rifles. But the point is. Not the cops. Not the beat cops. Well, yeah, okay, so they usually have a rifle in their car. They don't carry them on there. But the point is, so you're talking about ice that's trying to carry out these, you know, they're trying to wrap up the... Well, I was talking specifically about all federal law enforcement.

I think a lot of people are taking that to assume just the ice. I'm saying... Well, generally, ice are the ones that are wearing the masks and stuff, right? So you don't see a lot of... We don't see... We do. That's what people are complaining about, right? the general argument is that police shouldn't be wearing masks so okay fine i'm saying that i don't

want to live wear police so like i mentioned local cops wearing masks okay fine but this so the federal law enforcement are wearing masks right and we don't and you say you don't want that what that requires right you're saying if they have to wear masks that means that the the violence and the problems are great are too great to be considered normal but that the local police who have jurisdiction to go out and pick up the people that that might actually attack the federal law enforcement, they're not doing it because the sanctuary cities are saying, no, we won't have these people do these things

because we won't, you know, and the local municipalities won't do it. So the problem is the federal government needs to get the local municipalities and stuff to actually do their job. So let me ask you a question. When there is a, let's just say like a jurisdiction, for lack of a better word, that is not required

abide by the laws of a separate jurisdiction. It largely says we don't have, you don't have anything to do with us. There's, there's two separate locations. When jurisdiction B sends armed men into jurisdiction A to enforce laws that jurisdiction A says we do not abide by, and what do you call that? Um, when they, when they send people into, there are two, there are two isolated jurisdictions. Yeah. Two isolated jurisdictions with separate laws. different worldviews, different rules. One city decides to arm a bunch of guys and send them into the other side

by force against their will to enforce laws that the other city wants enforced. So you're pointing at civil war. I'm not talking about it's war. I'm talking about it's war. It's just period war. If the argument is that California won't abide by federal law has ordered their people to defy federal law is allowing individuals to defy federal law,

they are not part of this country as it is. Part of this country means that your structures, state, city, local, or otherwise, are going to abide by legal supremacy in this country up to the Constitution. What we are seeing right now, if this is the argument, is that blue states have just said absolutely not. And when Trump said, our election happened, people said immigration, we're going to go and start rounding people up. What happened? At the governmental level, Gavin Newsom fought the federal law enforcement. ordering the National Guard not to listen to Donald Trump under his orders, which he's allowed to do because they're not enforcing the law.

If our ICE agents, let's isolate it to ICE, are in a point where they're facing a threat from terrorists that have support from Democrat politicians who help fundraise for them, NGOs run by prominent Democrat donors, and in California, Gavin Newsom and local law enforcement lets these people attack federal facilities. I would call that akin to piracy, right? And at that point, I think it's very obvious when you break it down that way, we are in a civil war. Yeah, I just think, like, if you look from, like, Trump's perspective, right,

he's tried to de-escalate this Charlie Kirk situation. There hasn't been, like, hard rhetoric, get retribution. And like, in that article you were talking about, he didn't mention civil war. He was just warning, like, from a very logical position, if you keep attacking the right, eventually they're going to go, are we supposed to just sit and take it, or are we going to retaliate?

That's kind of what he was saying that. He wasn't saying it from like a Republican position. So if you're Trump, you tell them to demass, which I believe that all federal employees, particularly law enforcement, there should be that accountability, your face should be out there in an ideal world. Let's say they do demask.

Not at war. Yeah. We know that there's going to be some sort of physical retribution, attacks on these people. That's only going to escalate the situation, right, to something that is going to be more kinetic, that potentially is going to be far more divisive. I don't think he wants to be the president that is dealing with that on his plate.

He wants to just get his part. policy's done in the way which is most amical as possible. They obviously don't want that, which is why we're in the situation now. But I give you two options then. Stop pussyfooting around and go and arrest all of them. Don't give me this excuse. I'm scared. I have to wear a mask. Send the law enforcement to kick the doors into the far left people that are threatening you and put them in prison, then take your mask off. Agreed. 100%. I'm sick of this half measure. I don't think that they have the ability to isolate the people that are actually making the, that are, that are likely to do like the doxing and stuff like that. I think it's part of the problem. I don't care

the, the doxing is annoying, but at the same time, it is the individuals who carry out the, the violence that are the real problem. Getting doxed is bad. We've been doxed and it's crazy what people are capable of. But the guy who posts my address is a problem, the guy who comes to care of the threat is the threat. But it's not a unitary organized, like, attack. Like, so, like, you look at the, the alleged assassin of Charlie Kirk. I don't think there were, as far as we're aware, there weren't big indication to this was a guy who was militarized and violent and ready to assassinate.

And if it was, it seems, from the evidence that I've seen, it seems like it was something that was almost like a spur of the moment he hit a psychological breaking point and decided to do that. They're more akin to random acts of violence. It's not like a big, organized, premeditated, right? We're going to get that guy. I get it. So it's much harder to tackle.

Yes, I get it. your argument is any one of these individuals walking down the street at any moment might turn around and stab you, then it's time for Trump to dissolve the U.S. Constitution under presidential directive 51, create an enduring constitutional government under a single branch as George W. Bush's executive order in 2007 granted the executive branch power to do, and then he can send out his masked, militarized police force across the country to make sure this doesn't happen. But the argument that we are at a point where a random individual might pull out a gun and shoot you at any moment, if that is the case, it is worse than anyone realizes. We are in

an active civil war. And instead of half-assing it and being like, just keep doing your job, but hide in the meantime, that's insane. How do you fight an idea? How do you fight an idea? Like, it's not a organized structure. Trump dissolves the United States and creates the first American empire. And then he creates a massive multi-billion dollar federal police force that supersedes all of the local governments and then starts searching people's homes and I mean what is the argument to at any moment

a random liberal might detonate a bomb or shoot somebody it's almost like a denatification program at that point you'd have to go in and you'd have to gut the institutions it would be a complete like you said it could be a transformative measure I don't think he's got the appetite for that let's just try and do the math three terror

three terror attacks in three weeks it was mainstream liberal ideology that was behind the shoot, the murder of Charlie Kirk. Right. So I agree with your point. I think you are correct. We don't know who's been radicalized. It could be too many people. And even AOC is espousing the ideology that this guy

shared that motivated him on the house floor. Okay, let's try denetification. So how do we figure out who holds the ideology and is needing of a re-education? Well, we're going to follow the donors. We're going to see like the top-down media. Well, this was a random guy at home, like you mentioned.

is a random people. You can look at the media he was consuming, right? You can see the groups that he's in, the ideologies he's identifying with. Right. So my question is, how do you find him before he kills Charlie Kirk? That's almost like how do you stop a guy if it's almost like a thought crime before they've done it? Agreed. You can't, which is why I said the solution to the problem you're describing is Trump dissolving the three branches of government under presidential directive 51, creating an enduring constitutional government as prescribed by national security presidential directive 51, and then he creates a federalized police force, which goes and secures every street corner because we don't know at what point a liberal is going to just go

start foaming at the mouth, pull out a gun, and shoot a random person. Now, I don't think we can live that way, and I don't think anyone would tolerate that. So the idea is, right now, where are we? Law enforcement can't do their job because the threat of left-wing terrorist too great. Okay, well, we're losing then. We are losing, if that's the case. I don't want to lose. there's no such thing as we're going to knock on doors and ask people if they're radicalized and then bring them to a re-education center. There's no way we're going to find some random dude who's on Discord who one day decided to take his grandfather's gun and go assassinate Charlie Kirk because they're just people

walking around. If the radicalization is that bad, then the only answer is full-blown, full-scale American Empire. Like Trump has to go iron fist on the table right now before it actually comes to multi-faction war across the United States. I would argue even Trump's base doesn't have the appetite for that. Then we lose. Then we lost. Yeah.

I mean... This is the point I'm making. To everybody who's like, no, law enforcement should wear masks. If your argument is, we need our law enforcement to mask up because they fear that the left will attack them and will go after their families, we've lost. Like what we are describing is we are a diminished capacity force with scared federal law enforcement that are concerned that the might of left. leftist terror would overwhelm them and they won't be able to do their jobs. So they have to

hide themselves. The reason why Antifa wear masks is because there is a more powerful state that can crush them and they're trying to hide from it. But when communists take power, they put on uniforms. If the argument is our men in uniform have to hide, we are losing. I mean, I know in the UK, for example, they would do this almost harassment of dissidents where before people could commit a crime. And the UK has got a huge amount of sort of these human rights problems. But one of things that they did do fairly well, which has curved radicalism, is when they see people expressing these ideological tendencies, they will get these knocks on the door. And the idea is that you're being watched, you're going to be less emboldened to go do something.

But I fully disagree with that, because it can be massively abused. When you look at it from a civil liberties point of view, there is no easy answer here. You're in a society that is so polarized now with such a lust for political violence on one side. And then the other side is kind going, well, look, no studies burnt down when Charlie Kirk was killed. It's like, yeah, that's a great virtue. But when the other side literally wants you dead, what is the solution? What can Trump realistically do? And what is the average Republican voter actually going to do themselves to try and negate

that fact? It's a very difficult question. Well, here's a story from the post-millennial. Trump signs order launching all of government effort to dismantle left-wing domestic terror groups. The Post-Milandil reports President Trump signed a memorandum on Thursday launching an administration-wide effort to dismantle. left-wing domestic terror groups across the country. The order seeks to interdict the groups, block them from performing violent acts,

and the administration will look at sources of funding. Let's play the video. They're anarchists and agitators, professional anarchists and agitators, and they get hired by wealthy people, some of whom I know, I guess, you know, probably know them. And you wouldn't know it. At dinner with them, everything's nice. And then you find out that they funded millions of dollars to these lunatics. Steve, could you say a couple of words?

Yes, Mr. President. This is a very historic and significant day. This is the first time in American history that there is an all-of-government effort to dismantle left-wing terrorism, to dismantle Antifa, to dismantle the organizations that have been carrying out these acts of political violence and terrorism.

What we have seen, if you look at whether it be going back with the riots that started with Black Lives Matter and all the way through to the Antifa riots, the attacks on ICE officers, the doxing campaigns and now the political assassinations. These are not lone isolated events. This is part of an organized campaign of radical left terrorism. It is structured, it is sophisticated, it is well funded, it is well planned. There is really no parallel like this to anything else in the country right now. There is an entire system of feeder organizations that provide money, resources,

weapons, and when they're attacking ICE officers, they're attacking federal buildings, where they're isolating public officials for harassment, doxing, intimidation, and ultimately attempt that assassination. It is all carefully planned, executed, and thought through. It is terrorism on our soil. Because of this executive order, Cash and Pam are going to have the tools they need working with Scott to take these organizations apart piece by piece. And the central hub of that effort is going to be the Joint Terrorism Task Force, or JTTF, which sits inside the Federal Bureau of Investigation. But for those at home who are worried

about terrorism in this country, they need to understand because of President Trump's strength, because of his vision, because of his leadership, we are now going to use the entire force of the federal government to uproot these organizations,

root and branch. And again, that's only possible because of President Trump and his leadership. Thank you, Steve Cash. I'm going to take this opportunity to announce my retirement. This will be my last show.

I've decided that... We're doing this again? I shouldn't be showing my face because of the threats against me and my family. I think I have been convinced by the audience. The threats that we've received over the past week, even being completely uninvolved in anything related to TPSA have been so tremendous that my security team warned I wouldn't be able to travel and a disguise wasn't necessarily an option because my travel itinerary stuff can be leaked as well, especially by

employees who are doing load manifest. And the issue being that with prominent mainstream run-of-the-mill liberals posting that they wanted to see these deaths. The concern is, you're absolutely right, Joseph, from what you were saying, we don't know which one of these people might just see a flight manifest and then send a message to a discord saying, Tim Pool is going to be on this plane. Here's when it's landing. So the ultimate decision was we could buy four plane tickets, you, your wife, two security guards, you'll land. We'll have two security guards waiting for you, four-person escort to an armored SUV, which will bring to a hotel where we'll stand guard outside of the door for 24-7 security, be transported to the

event where security will stay with you at all times, and then you will go back, you'll be confined to your hotel. I said, I don't think I want to do that. And they said, you probably shouldn't travel. And, you know, so I think everybody's correct in that I'm not a law enforcement guy. I'm just somebody with opinions, and the threats are really great, and they're trying to figure out where I live. They come to my house. Why would I? I take this risk at all. So I quit. Just, I'm sorry to hear that, Tim, but also in the political world, we're talking about how anything can happen anytime left-wingerers and liberal folks can get crazy right off

the bat. We live in that world now. Look at that young lady who got stabbed on the train. Anyone right now, today, you walk in on the street, you get shot and killed by anyone, by anyone anywhere. So we're just focusing on the political world. I'll be more serious about it. I don't understand the argument that people are telling me I'm wrong about asking our law enforcement to stand firm and proud and fight for their country. And they're saying, no, they should hide, but then expecting me to have to live in a box. Yeah. Yeah. I'd much rather just, I can, I can, you know, it's really funny. I put on a blue t-shirt. I should describe back to what I was. Yeah, I seen that. Well, I'll just say it. I put on a blue t-shirt,

took my hat off and put on glasses, and no one knew who I was. I walked into the building. We're like, who is this guy? Yep, everybody. And then, and then I walked up and they went, ah. So, You know, I can be real, like, if this is the opinion people have, honest question, why do you expect me to do this forward-facing publicly with my own name, where I'm worried about whether our food's being tampered with, we can't order food, we have to have bodyguards, like, why am I living this way? If our law enforcement gets special protections and privileges, you expect me to do all of this. I'm just kind of like, maybe you guys are right.

Maybe we should all hide. maybe we shouldn't put ourselves at risk I can launch a new YouTube channel with an AI there's like isn't that honest question liberal hive of mine just AI right that YouTube channel

is a guy okay okay because it very much sounds like AI okay that's just how he is okay sorry I didn't mean to impugn your honor but I could just launch an AI channel known over it'll make it a woman yeah you're using AI avatar female

like you know you know what I'll do the anime wifu you do that the anime wifu you do that they get Yes. You can move around and they move. You can be like a rabbit with a chick. Oh, bro, I'm out. Why don't I do that? You could be a V-Tuber.

Your voice, you'd have to change your voice. Right. Done. Easy. I mean, you've got those real-time AI voice changes. You're way more front-facing towards the political world than the cops are than one cop on the street. Which is, which my point would be that most of these cops have substantially less risk than I do. Yes, they do. So if the argument is they should wear masks, No one should know who they are because the left are terrorists.

I'm like, I'm being 100% serious thinking about that. Like, if that's what people really think, they just killed Charlie. Like, maybe none of us should be doing this. And we should just sit back and let Trump do his thing. But for an ICE agent, what difference does it make for their job if they have their face out there in their name? Because at the end of the day, they're a badge. And they're conducting an operation, a very specific job. Like, it doesn't matter if they're a public individual or not.

We're trying to get legal immigrants out. Like, I don't need to know if it's a joke about it. The argument is the far left might try to dox it. them. And I'm sitting here being like, well, I'm already doxed. The far left, once they docked they might try to kill them. Like, they're literally trying to kill me. And we have people showing up and I have to get guns. Right. But if you're an ICE agent making, I mean, I know they're getting paid decent, but they don't have the money for security or anything. And it's like, it doesn't, it's not advantageous for them in any way to be like a public facing person.

Like it doesn't, if anything, it just makes it worse. But they're not a public facing person. They don't have to be. And that's why they're mad. There's tons of anonymous personalities that make tons of money doing political commentary. Yeah, it's true. Yeah, I mean, and I think that's fine. I do think there's value in having anonymous. Maybe that's where we're going. I mean, look, generally got assassinated. Yeah, I do actually think like anonymous or pseudonyms is like fine in the political space and they're able to push ideas without fear of getting killed. I mean, people ultimately buy from people, and when they're, you know, you are disseminating ideas, they're buying into an idea, they're buying into, especially if you become a living embodiment of that idea. I want to be like that guy. Right, right. I want to live in the way that he lives because he seems really fulfilled. I understand what you're saying completely. Like, let's, they should be demassed, but what that would be, it would be a giant gambit. And you would, we know what would happen. We would see families being targeted. We would potentially see targeted assassinations. But it'd be on a much larger scale. I don't, I don't think so. You don't? No.

Well, why aren't they? Because a single, there is a risk, there is a risk department somewhere that is gone and they've sat down and gone, because they need to wear masks. Because there's a reason why they killed Charlie Kirk had not an individual ice agent. There's tons of federal law enforcement, including I said, aren't wearing masks, just some of them are. Just tried to kill three. Yeah. They killed Charlie. Right.

But like they tried to kill ice agents. Who did? Like two days ago. No, who? The host of John. John or whatever. Oh, right, right. And so that's, but that was indiscriminate.

That wasn't a targeted on guy's house. No, but it was... This is the third terror attack on ice where they went to a facility and attacked random people. In fact, you killed detainees. Right. The argument we're making is they will go to the home of the ICE agent. I mean, yeah, presumably if they're information, if they're privy to information at some point.

I mean, it's... I mean, it's... The cartel is a, I mean... You got, you got a CBP facility here. You could just sit outside and collect license plates. I mean, the cartel things are important. We've seen, like, the assassination of various DEA agents, right? Like, that happens a lot, right?

They would be in the same realm as that. However, the difference is that that is like, you know, the cartels are a foreign organization. So it's seen as an external threat, foreign terrorist organization. Yeah, no, I understand. When it's on your own soil and it's your next door neighbor, it's the guy sitting next to you on the bus, it's a completely different almost like years of lead type scenario.

Yeah, if they do do mask, they're obviously not because there has been a risk management sort of assessment, probably like hundreds and hundreds of pages long that it's gone. Actually, it's probably best that these guys stay masked up. Yeah. The reason why the left doesn't have any leaders, they actually do, and I will tell you this from literally being in these direct action meetings with leftists, they have leaders, the leaders organize, they supply money, tools, and then they say, I'm not your leader, and if anyone asks, I'm not in charge. When they go out to protest, you'll never see anybody directly leading the group because they say law enforcement will target any perceived leaders. So that's why they say Antifa is a leaderless movement.

It has leaders. They're just lying. Liberals cover up for them or they're just stupid. Someone is funding these tools. Someone is buying these things and handing them out. Someone is telling these people where to go. Someone is saying, here's the route we're going to take. And it's usually a small group.

The hierarchy is natural. Usually it's a young guy who says, here's what we're doing. And they say, okay. Because I mean, let's just be real. Communism isn't the real thing. The idea that there's a truly decentralized group of friends all holding hands, just being like, how many of you want to vote for a route that goes down Broadway and turns left at 45th? Raise your hand.

They don't do that. One guy goes, here's the plan. We're going to march from the financial district down Broadway. We're going to turn left at 42nd, make our way to Bryant Park. From there, we've got a group waiting with shields. And they go, okay. Now, who's that guy? Who does he work for?

Where's his money coming from? That's what this needs to result. Indeed. And, but has it, when we were talking before the show, but that potentially this doesn't actually change much? Like, is this really going to give him the tools and give the FBI the tools to dig into these people, hold them accountable? I mean, it is kind of that vague thing. I made a donation. I don't know what happened to the money after it went out.

I thought it was for a good cause. It was, you know, misappropriation of funds. They know what they're doing. They're not stupid. They're highly sophisticated actors. When they are doing these donations and they are sort of pushing these ideas and kind of giving someone a tap on the shoulder to do something. It's done in a way where they're not going to be held legally accountable. The donors, the donors, or the people that are actually making the donations if they're in the small denomination, they likely do think, okay, I'm just doing this to help.

Because like the people that donated to Black Lives Matter, they were conned and, you know, those people, they thought they were doing something good. But the people that are running the organization and those people, you know, they have to file paperwork and et cetera, those people you can wrap up and those people the DOJ can look into. and then any big donations like really sizable hundreds of thousands or millions of dollars that's something the fed the feds can look into as well what if trump was like we're declaring antifa a terrorist organization all of those who are flying the symbols of antifa who are alleging a pledging allegiance to or support for our fair game i think that that's yeah i think That's what the situation should be. But you're saying that, like, that means regular citizens going out, taking an individual

action as a civilian against someone who's flying the anti-the-flag. Oh, no, no, my, I misunderstood. I thought you were talking about that. I thought you know, I said a federal law enforcement. No, I'm saying Trump tells everyone in this country, if you as an individual, stop someone who's flying anti-Fa, like, but I mean, if someone's... I asked you a question, what is... if Trump did that?

That would be a terrible situation. Well, so the reason I ask that question is that Trump has designated Antifa a terrorist organization. What does that mean if you are a citizen of this country and you are walking down the street and you see a guy with a gun waving an ISIS flag? Will you go to jail if you stop that person? Depends on the jurisdiction. That's why I'm asking what would happen. The point I'm making with the question is Trump has said Antifa are terrorists. What is the legal ramification of a citizen saying citizens' arrest or citizen enforcement action against a terrorist flying a terrorist flag?

If you're a terrorist on my land, I have a right to stop you in my country from doing terrorism. Well, I don't know what you do. Well, I'm just saying, like, in general, like you would think that folks would want to stop terrorism on their own. It should be. I mean, like, let's say there was like an Islamic terrorist. Yeah. There was waving one of the several flags. I'm not going to say.

I mean, in case we get demonetized. But it's like, I'm sure I doubt a jury and a court would. prosecute them for, you know, this guy's waving a firearm or whatever, and he shoots him and preemptively stops up to terror. It all depends on the jurisdiction. But I mean... Totally depends on the jurisdiction.

Yeah. You do that in New York, you're going to jail forever. Right. If the guy was actually, if the guy was actually shooting at people in New York, there's still a possibility that you would go to jail if you took them out. Well, I mean, that's something that needs to be

addressed on a federal level. Is it even possible? Can they do that? I mean, I'm not familiar with street or... It would be a local thing. The feds don't actually... The feds would actually have jurisdiction over that. The blue states are in a soft succession right now because they have sanctuary states

so they're softly succeeding trying to but they're not really doing it but they're just it's really like a soft civil war. And if there's someone that's way if there's someone that's actually shooting or even probably menacing people with a gun which means pointing a gun at someone and you shot him in another

in a state that has like stand your ground laws or has the you know second amendment friendly there's a possibility that you could convince a jury. No, he was going to hurt people, and I prevented him. Now, that would be dependent on the jury,

but there is a possibility that, look, here's the situation. He was saying these things. He was yelling these things. He was pointing his gun at people. So I saw that, and I figured I needed to take action to defend someone else because he was going. I was in legitimate fear for my life,

and I believe that he was going to cause permanent harm or death to someone else, so I acted to prevent to end the threat because there was an ongoing threat. Now you can make that argument and if you have a good lawyer and you are in front of a jury that's fairly friendly to the Second Amendment and you're in a jurisdiction where there are people that are friendly to the Second Amendment, you might be able to get, you might be able to get justifiable homicide. But in a place like New Jersey, in a place like New York, that is not going to happen. You will go to jail. So this is actually surprising. My cursory search, which is surprising to me, is that if there is a known foreign terrorist organization individual, ISIS is a great example, who is flying the flag and armed and screaming while walking down the street, you have no legal right to do anything as a citizen against that person, be it stop them, detain them, or hurt them in any way, there to be treated, according to my cursory search, as if they were any other citizen no matter what.

That sounds like something that needs to be dealt with, but obviously with the First Amendment right, is it political expression if you're waving the flag? Everything that Tim said is true, but it still does depend on the jury. Yeah, well, you'll get arrested. You'll go to a jury trial. Most places you're going to get arrested. I don't think, there's very few places where you could get away with shooting someone and you wouldn't even get arrested.

I'm pretty sure. He just has a flag. Well, let's clarify what you mean by arrest. Very few, not none. I think you need to clarify what you mean by arrest. The police are going to take you into custody. Courts, custody is not arrest. Like being detained, you mean?

Arrest is probable cause for a crime. You are being taken and to be processed for that crime. I would still say that there are a few. There are some jurisdictions where you might not. I'm pretty sure I can at least speak for West Virginia. I would even get down to it. It depends on the, on the, like if you're on your property. Yes, if you're on your property.

Yeah. And like in Florida with Zimmerman and Trayvon, I don't believe he was arrested. was brought in for questioning and then released, and that's what caused the controversy. Yeah, I mean, that could be too. Again, I think that it does depend. It depends a lot on the, even down to the locality, because if you're in an urban area in a place like West Virginia, you might not get the same kind of treatment from the county sheriff or whatever that you would if you were in a more rural area.

So do you think it's going to be a case of perhaps Trump needs to encourage the red states to adopt legislation to facilitate this sort of, you know, citizens arrest, you know, potentially if someone's holding the fly around. It's one of those slippery slope. It's a slippery slope, right? And also you're talking about this kind of like soft secession. If you've got a de facto situation in blue states where these guys can walk around unattested

and actually not just that, but can continue to grow. It wouldn't be Trump. It wouldn't be Trump. It would have to be something that Congress passes to have the force of law. And I don't know if that would stand because places like New York or New Jersey or Illinois, they would fight that under 10th Amendment. They would say we have the state's right to do...

I think as we discuss this and go through the math of everything we're looking at, the real underlying thing that everyone is just saying is we're in a civil war. I think that it's across the west there is an ideological war. I think that it is less of like a civil war like you guys are here, you guys there. I mean, it is more of years of lead type scenario. Well, that idea of you guys are here and we're there has never been a civil war ever. Well, I mean, the American Civil War There was a fine line in a trench

One place out of... But that's the Spanish Civil War as well But the American Civil War is not a civil war Okay, well, semantics, different But so civil... How most people would understand the Civil War is going to be something like the American Civil War, the Spanish Civil War

What was the Spanish Civil War then? It was an ideological war Right, but no, like there were factions fighting And there was no here and there It was, Franco from Morocco went up to the south of Spain, rallied troops to fight against other military, seized control of military assets,

and then you saw certain areas that were leaning in one direction, nationalist or Republican, and the fighting was actually all over the country until militarized force were able to secure certain areas and then push out the far left. Even if you look at the Syrian Civil War,

you can look at the live map, there was a front line, right? Same in the Spanish Civil War, right? Like, there are... The Spanish Civil War? This city is ours. Yes, there might be some insurgencies within those cities,

but there was like, okay, They've got their military units there. They've got their trucks. Right, but it was spotted all over. Well, I mean, it was the Spanish Civil War was blotches. There were, there are front lines. Yeah. So the American Civil War was actually a union fractured, a new union formed.

And then the, the union proper noun, sent troops down to force the separate union. So that's very different from any other civil war ever throughout history. What the U.S., the United Civil War, they call it, is more akin to a standard war in Europe or something. It is more akin to a conventional war by two countries. That's effectively what the American Civil War was. But I mean, the Spanish Civil War did have front lines. This city, this road, these trains were under our control and the other areas. When you look at the Spanish.

There was still a differentiation whether you're under the Nationalist Control side of the Republic. That's correct because the Spanish Civil War was not a, you're there and we're here. It was this city is controlled by the Republicans. this farmland and this ruler is by the nationalist. Down south, there's a pocket where we control in between, but the nationalists have this and the Republicans have this. In traditional civil wars, control is spread out all over and blotches. I mean, even in the Confederacy,

there were unionists who were living within the Confederate borders who were still, like, aiding the unionist side. As an insurgency, yes, but de facto, like, who was controlling law. I'm just trying to clarify because the point I'm making is the United States Civil War is not a civil war by most historical standards. the fact that there was a north and south dividing line a mason dixon line is solely unique to the american civil war other civil wars throughout history had split control in various regions not a north and a south there is northeastern western like when you look at the spanish civil war map

and you watch how the militaries moved through areas there were pockets over here that was nationalist nationalist nationalist nationalist the nationalist was largely like rural areas the republicans were largely urban areas and they were split up all over the place initially but then they did become they did consolidate forces after after after after after after after after after after initial period and his troops started crushing the left yeah and moving through they gained more control yeah but the the the American Civil War started as something entirely different yeah with a literal line between two unions yeah yeah in fact Texas one of the reasons for Texas a session to join the

confederacy was simple proximity the when Texas voted to join the South the Confederacy was simply we have no trade partners so I guess this is who we're with it wasn't it wasn't like people in Texas were like Ra, we hate the Union, it was like, well, look, for all intents and purposes, we are part of the Confederacy. In Maryland, they actually were one-third sympathetic to the South. So it wasn't, and it still was just- I mean, there was still, what I was trying to get is there were still geographical states and regions which were considered, you know, under the control of those governments or forces, right? And that's true today right now in the United States.

In the US, well, yes, I'm no, like, I don't think that, like, the governor, like Gavin Newsom, for example, is going to come out on the complete side of, like, he denounced the murder of Charlie Kirk. Like, he's not on the same parallel as the sort of people that Trump's sort of fighting here. I don't think, like, they might share the same ideological realm, but do I think Gavin Newsom is involved on grassroots level, antifa, you know, guys going and assassinating politicians? No. I think they share the same ideological space. So as a result, they don't even want to give an inch of ground because if they give

an inch of ground against the left, then that could be a flood against that. And that's a good distinction to determine when we're actually in a civil war is when you actually have a policy from a civil war. state defy the jurisdiction of the federal government and say, we will not abide by your rules. Which I guess your argument is going to be with like the sanctuary city stuff. Well, I guess never mind. That's probably not a good distinction because that literally is what all of them are doing. So if it's not, okay, I'm being completely honest question here. We have political assassinations. We've got California allowing far leftists to fire bomb and attack

federal law enforcement with impunity. And the Pacific Northwest did do the same thing. Portland local law enforcement isn't stopping these guys. They've let them do it for now three months. I think it's been going on in Portland. And the feds are trying to stop it. It's not to the point where Gavin Newsom says, go and arrest those federal agents, but Gavin Newsom just ordered federal agents to take their masks off. So the question then is we're looking at this gradient to try and figure out when it is technically a civil war, but I can say this. We are in a period of assassinations where the mainstream political faction of the left celebrates it, or they lie about it, or they defend it. The ideology that motivated the assassin is espoused on the floor of our own congressional

house by the most famous Democrat, in my opinion, AOC. You can make arguments about any of the other Democrats, but they've largely waned. And as pertains to law enforcement, the California government is letting far leftists organize and firebomb federal facilities. It's California, Oregon and Washington have been doing this for years. Newsom tried to commandeer control of the National Guard away from Donald Trump and has now ordered federal law enforcement to abide by his rules and take their masks off. Okay, so it's not a civil war. It's an insurrection, perhaps. There's a better terminology. It's a insurrection to react against the federal. Civil unrest. It's still going. It's what we've been calling it civil unrest for, you know,

I'm asking, like, when is the, when has it become a heap of sand? If Gavin Newsom, he just came out and said, where they passed a law, right, mandating authority over federal law enforcement, which they don't have the authority to do, and they're threatening federal law enforcement with arrest. But so it's all about Trump's response, right? Trump would have, I imagine, I'm not as well versed in American politics as you guys, but he would have somewhat of a mandate to go, okay, well, this state is acting in rebellion of the union. I'm sure there's some sort of legal prerequisites where he could potentially justify federalizing it, whatever it may be. But I'm sure there's still a huge amount of legal frameworks to go through to try and resolve it before it gets to a point of actually there is no discussion.

It's like, we're going to do this, we're going to do that, and we're an impasse. Let's pull this up. We got the story from CNN. It's from a couple days ago. California bans most law enforcement officers from wearing masks during operations. California became the first state to ban most law enforcement officers, including federal immigration agents from covering their faces. while conducting official business under a bill that was signed Saturday by Governor Gavin Newsom

and swiftly denounced by Trump administration officials. The ban is a direct response to recent immigration raids in LA where federal agents wore masks while making mass arrests. The raids prompted days of protests and led Trump to deploy National Guard troops and Marines. Okay, so here's the question. Law enforcement being dispatched to California is now being, it is forbidden for them to wear masks while conducting federal law enforcement? Do you believe

the government of California will enforce this law against federal law enforcement? I don't see that happening. That's a big line to fucking... That's a big line to cross. They don't have a mechanism. I mean, like we saw in the 60s something somewhat similar

to in the civil rights area where the feds crack down on states for not, you know, not playing ball, and then the federal government won. That's vice versa. Feds cracking down on states. This is a state trying to crack down

unfa. Well, this is a no from Raymond. Yes, sir. What do you think, Phil? Will you think Gavin Newsom will have state troopers go and arrests ICE for wearing masks? I don't think he will. I think that he'll posture. I think that he'll posture, but I don't think that it'll actually dispatch. I think that's the line. Yeah, that's a big line.

If Gavin Newsom arrests federal law enforcement, we are in new territory. That's 100% the line, yeah. I think the struggle we have with the concept of civil war is no one knows when you're in a civil war. Throughout history, every single civil war, they have always argued and debated whether or not they were actually in a conflict. And as we bring up famously, we historically look back at Fort Sumter as the beginning of the American Civil War. But the people who lived in the country at the time didn't even think we were in one and went and picnicked at the first Battle of Bull Run because they didn't think a civil war was happening. And then the Confederates won, routed the north, sent him packing, and then thought the war ended. They said, that's it.

No war. We've just shown them. And then Lincoln was like, nah, sending the troops. And then four other states were like, oh, my God, this is getting crazy, what's going on? Took a long time. The first seven states to secede from the union had been before Abraham Lincoln was even president. Several months. So I don't know that we'll actually know until we're well into it.

In fact, I believe they called it, what do they call it? First, it was like a rebellion in the South. Then it was called a conflict between states. And then I think it was like a year later, or a year or two, they started calling it the Civil War. Right. In the United States. I mean, it is reasonable to say that it's possible, like right now, like looking back, you know, they'll say that now was the beginning of it. That the assassinations, that the first shots that were fired were actually people assassinating other people and taking shots at law enforcement and stuff like that.

I mean, even, take a look at this article from the Hill. Who wants to read that headline? Charlie Kirk's murder could become another Fort Sumter. You know, the fact that this is something that the respectable journalists are talking about now, The Hill, which is absolutely legacy media, to call this, you know, far-fetched now with all these, all of these attacks on ICE facilities, with the attempts on Trump, with the murder, this is no longer far-fetched. This is no longer the stuff of a fever. Can I cash out like a 50-leg parlay or something on this one? Because I'm going back seven years on this, boys. I mean, I'm going to play a bit of devil's advocate here.

I think that a lot of these legacy media are coming out with these very sensationalist headlines because they are losing to independent media and they can't keep up. That people aren't interested in clicking some like really kind of like boring white bread sort of headlines anymore. Like everybody's so sort of brain-wrotted from the scrolling, everything sensationalized, World War III every other week that they kind of have been pushed towards this more radical discourse. but the knock-on effects of reading stuff like that, it are very real, right?

It does put it in people's head. It's true, but if there weren't so many people that have died, there weren't so many attacks. There, I mean, like, there were four ice facilities attacked since August 1st, I think, actually, in the past three weeks. So, four, no, no, no, it's been like, it's like three attacks in three months. I'm pretty sure.

I googled it last night when I did the intro, and it was four, actually I did it on Groch, and it was four ice facilities attacked since August 1st is what I checked. I asked how many ice facilities had been attacked. So, yeah, like whether or not there were people killed, not all of them had casualties, but there were four ice attacks or four ice facilities attacked since August 1st. So in the past two months, like you have Charlie Kirk that was murdered. You have Donald Trump that was the assassination attempt that was just over a year ago.

then there was you can say that the attacks I don't think that the attack the murder of the Minnesota lawmaker was actually politically motivated but there are people that'll swear up and down that it was this is this is something that is not how like unusual at this point in time like this is something that is become almost commonplace just I mean people are waking up saying hey am I going to see am I going to find out that there was another another you know political murder in the country yeah how many even even like the Epstein stuff with, like, the lawyers disappearing and, like, dying and the suicides, I think, like, it has become a lot more of a violent political atmosphere in America.

Yeah, I mean, there's always... It's become normalized to it. You're almost... You're not surprised now. Like, if I saw another assassination, I don't think I'm going to have the same reaction that I did to Charlie Kirk's. I'm somewhat expecting that seeing the level of praise that it's had from the left, that someone is going to do a copycat attack, because they're going to hit that sort of, like, cult status. So we've got a half correction. It's actually... pretty wild that we can't and don't cover every story because if it doesn't

reach, it doesn't bubble up, we don't know. But on August 29th, a person attempted to run over a CBP agent. We've got the, August 25th was bomb threats to a Dallas Ice facility. If you're talking about the ambushes, then it's three in like

three months. If you're talking about everything from death threats to riots, it's five. No, no, it's four. It's four. So, and I guess CPP doesn't really count. So it's three since August 1st, broad. And then violent attacks, like rifle long range,

those terror attacks, I think it's three in three months. On June 29th, when they got the 20-year-old set to fire, and he killed the fireman. He killed the chief of police and John Morrison. Where was it? Cranfield Mountain. First attacks, I believe.

That's not ice. You guys talked about it. No, no, it's not ice, but I'm saying they set up ambushes, you know, more violent. There was the Zizian assassination of the CPP guy earlier this year. Yeah, it's been pretty dang wild. So we're definitely in Bleeding Kansas. Isn't it kind of funny to say like,

hey guys, bleeding Kansas confirmed. Yesterday on the Will Kane show, they opened by calling this Bloody September. I think Jack Posobic was the first person I saw who called it Bloody September. And I agree. The reason why we say Bloody September is it condenses all of the ideas

of the attacks into a single phrase, which can invoke that knowledge. So it's a zip file for memory. why we give things names. Do you think that like the economic fallout of something like this escalating, though, is going to be far too great. I mean, the thing that people care about the most is ultimately, do I have a good standard of living?

If there is a... You think that, like, here does have that sort of political climate? Because, I mean, when you look... There's no kids. There's no kids? Gen Alpha is half the size of millennial and Gen Z. That's the problem. But is that on the conservative side, though?

Because I've never seen as many young families of, like, guys in their 20s, married, kids. highly Christian. Yeah, yeah, but even, even with that trend among Gen C, gen Alpha is 40 million. Estimates from 40 to 42 million. That is half the size of, of millennials. And Jen,

I think they're calling it Gen Bravo because nobody likes beta, is just starting now. Meaning our economy is fried, no matter what we do. When you, and you now have a large cohort of young, single, childless men. On which side, though?

on both sides. Now it's less likely, I think a third of Gen Z men are leaning right, but either way. Like, Gen Z men largely are not having relationships and having kids. Look, I was supposed to have a kid in my 20s. That's human standard. That's what all humans are. But I turned, how old was I, 22 or 23 when the financial crisis happened? So, sleeping on couches, I didn't even realize at the time something was wrong.

I lived with like nine dudes, a bunch of college. age dudes in this massive loft where we all spent a couple hundred dollars because it was cheap. And it was like six bedrooms and I was in the pantry. Pantry was nice. A door to the kitchen and a door to the living room. And it was I think probably six by eight. No, no, no, no. It was probably eight by ten. Not bad. It's a huge pantry. Oh, yeah, yeah. Walk in two doors, put some curtains up. It was pretty cool. We have parties. I would put shelves at the doors and I'd Sell booze. But anyway, I was supposed to be working a job and having a family, but that was impossible.

Yeah. Yeah. And so even right now, Gen Z guys aren't doing this. Roger Lynch talked about this. I don't know. You were talking to him earlier. I don't know if you brought it up, but historically, whenever you get a large population of young men without children, you get war. Yeah.

Yeah, that's true. And then AI is going to take away all their jobs here in 10 years, five years. They cooked. Yeah. We cooked. We'll be alive. The one saving grace is that young, it's not a saving grace, it's actually a very sad thing, but young men's hormones are completely nuked, so a lot of them don't even have the testosterone

required to, like, sign up for like a full-blown civil, where are you just going to get insurgents from the left? That's all you're going to get. The right-wing guys are actually, like, healthy. The one thing that I'm really surprised that, well, the one thing that I think we should expect as things escalate would be, like, more bombings, because that was something that was really common in the in the 70s in the early 70s late 60s the weathermen and stuff they there were over a thousand bombings in between 1970 and 1972 wow and that that's something that hasn't taken you know

you haven't seen a lot of thankfully um but as thing as tensions rise and you have people that aren't as suicidal looking to to harm um you know their political opponents that's the kind of thing that I think we need to be concerned with as like the next level. If that does start becoming something that's common, then, you know, that I feel like that's the next escalation or would be looked at as the next escalation. The reason we're not seeing is there's three reasons. The first is it requires coordination to some degree.

I know there's obviously lone wolves over the years, but it requires a degree of coordination with others. Two is people are like not smart enough to assemble these. I mean, I know you can like follow directions online and stuff, but there's actually a lot of stories that people are blowing them up in their house. You can ask chat GPT. I know that, but I'm saying people are blowing themselves in houses. If you look it up, it happens somewhat frequently.

And then the third is that the government's actually done a pretty good job of making it difficult to collect the materials you would need to put together a bomb. Yeah, that's one thing that I think is a good point. The base materials to do this stuff, like the government is actually watching for people that purchase certain things in order or whatever. So that might be why. The fourth would be, to your points, would be, and the Phil's point, that they are more suicidal, unfortunately, nowadays, and they were back in the day. Back in the 60s or 70s, you were saying they probably had more reasons to live, but nowadays they're sitting in their house all by themselves in the bedrooms on 4chan on Reddit, and, you know, they, so their mental health is way worse. It's a big grim, but someone made an important distinction as typically a shooter is planning on not making it out of the operation versus a bomber. They're planning to go on the run, and there's going to be a manhunt.

to find them. So that's the kind of the distinction is you're dealing with a death cult and ultimately they just want to get out of this world. They feel nothing inside versus a bomber. There's like an ideology. Like you think something's important enough to maybe try and do it again. It's like a, um, uh, a Bushnell, you're talking about early today. Oh, yeah. Oh, he's going to be remembered forever. I'm going to, you know, let myself on fire. This is, it's an important point. The only, the only, the only thing on the left, the only thing they value from young white men is like martyrdom. It's like the only thing you can provide for the left if you're like a young white guy

is like suicide for the cause versus the right they're just like yeah we can use you here we can use you here turning point USA we'll get you right in here it's like clockwork the left's like you're going to kill yourself dude it's the only way to contribute to the movement and so that's primarily why it's so far when they join I'm compiling a list of politically

motivated attacks 2025 and it's already the list that I've got is insane this is bleeding Kansas the crazy thing is as we were mentioning like did you guys even know that in Maine someone tried running over a CBP agent in Chicago and a legal immigrant tried running over one of the ice guys so he shot him and killed him. I think that happened in Florida like a day later.

So all of these are happening on top of the political violence that's high level. Then you've got the low level riot stuff that often doesn't break to national news. You've got the ongoing riots that are happening in Portland that they just started arresting these people. It's been sustained for some time. you had the ramming in New Orleans Yep That was on New Year's right around New Year Yeah and you know we were gonna go January 7th Oh really?

That's where we were playing my wife and I were planning on going to New Orleans And at the last minute we changed our mind And didn't go And then we saw the news and we were like We would literally be right there And didn't that one young kid get run over By that old man up in Washington or something In an alleyway because he was a Republican

A couple years ago I think we watched remember that he got ran over before being a not I don't know if it was Washington but there was a kid that got yeah I think I think the distinction though is like as you were saying before it's they're not organized they seem to be emotional outbursts which I mean I had myself in the UK where we were putting up the flags and some guy literally just some boomer abandoned his car on the side of the road came running over and tried pushing us off a ladder that was like you know two to almost three stories high luckily we spotted him we were able to bail to the right which was a grass verge rather than the left which was the main road

But if he'd have come up from behind, what was his plan? He was going to knock us off. We hit our head on the road. One of us could have died. He wasn't thinking. It was an irrational, emotional moment. I almost felt sorry for the guy because he got himself so wound up. He's so, like, stuck in his head and sort of enthralled by this ideology that he feels

like it's worth to just, like, kind of crash out and break that mundaneness of his life up. They do see themselves as these revolutionaries, particularly that sort of like boomer generation, which I saw the guy who tried to assassinate in Trump. I think he was actually, did he get indicted or, like, charged? Roth, yeah, the Roth, yeah, he got a poor count or something like that. It's like they grew up in like the 70s where like, you know, they were the counterculture, that hippie culture. They believe the world was going to be John Lennon's imagine. It's just like, well, you know, reality check, that it doesn't work.

The world's never going to be like that. But in their head, they're still this like, they're sticking it to the man where actually the counterculture is coming from the right, particularly in Europe. And it kind of has happened now. It's become the mainstream. But again, going back to my previous point, it's not organized. it's like, yeah, it's just like it is just lone wolf like sad attacks of people

who probably depraved individuals who actually just need help but how do you get help to those people because they sit and they fest them and it's all online they need help but they have to be which is petrifying they need help but they have to be open

to help which is something they don't believe they need help that's the problem well I mean yeah they're not open to being helped so if someone's not going to look you can lead a horse to water which you can't make them drink right

you can tell people, look, here's, here, this will actually make you feel better. This is actually, these are positive steps that you can do to not feel hopeless, to not feel like there's no, there's no meaning in life, but that doesn't mean they're going to do it. It doesn't mean they're going to take the steps that you're, that you're recommending. And it's likely that they're going to be hostile to you for recommending it. Well, I'm saying like the left is already fairly organized, but they're not organized in a violent way, as far as we know right now. Unless, I mean, this, we'll see what comes to this Charlie Kirk case.

Perhaps it was. I know we saw people who allegedly had full knowledge. Perhaps it was, perhaps it wasn't. We'll see that. If it is organized, that would kind of change the game a little bit. So this is the list that GPD gave me. The New Orleans ISIS attack, the Coventry, Vermont, CBP agent killed by Zizians. In May, a Jewish museum shooting from a pro-Palestine motive.

June 14th, the coordinated shooting of Democratic state legislators. That one's up in the air because that one may have been personally motivated. We don't know for sure. Alvarado was the Prairreeland Ice Facility Ambush the same day Portland, Oregon was in attack on an ice facility July 28th in New York Midtime Manhattan mass shooting at 3.50,

was that really? When was that? Was that Trenti Aragua? Go on Google that search? Google that? What you say, Manhattan? Yeah, July 28th, Midtown Manhattan mass shooting. August 27th was the Annunciation shooting. July 28th, that was the dude that ran until the, went up to the 33rd floor or whatever.

Oh, right, right, right, right, right. The NFL thing. Yeah, allegedly, yeah. Yeah, the NFL thing. But that was also a Black Rock building. And he went to a Black Rock office. Oops. Yeah, right, I don't believe it.

August 27th was enunciation. Oram, Utah, September 10th. That's Charlie Kirk. September 15th, political canvasser was stabbed. Whoa, I didn't know that. September 19th was the ABC station. Whoa, really? I didn't know about the September 15th attack.

And they're still missing a whole bunch. How many of those are curiosity included more than one perpetrator, though? I don't know. The challenging thing is... One of the attacks on an ice facility was like five people. It was Black Rock Office that was attacked, right? I forgot about that one. That was in Midtown, New York, yeah.

Right. And they said it was the NFL, but he was in the Black Rock office. And they're like, he meant to go to the NFL, I swear. I don't know that I believe that. What's the obvious... So they are missing one of the... Ice facility attacks. Was this a shipwitruck thing as well?

That wasn't too. Oh, yeah. They're forgetting all the Tesla stuff. Where's all the Tesla stuff? I mean, just... There's a lot going on this year. We need to get a comprehensive list of all of the terror attacks for this year so we can have this in like a Google document database to actually start tracking this.

Because this year's been insane. The terror attacks on Tesla. What was there? Like 70 of them? And the one guy got blew himself up? importantly, you know, the guy, the military guy who was, like, locked and cocked right to suicide. Oh, right, right, right, the last minute.

Yeah. He was in Las Vegas. And it's all metal, so it didn't blow up anything. It just blew himself up. The most interesting is that when you ask for these statistics, it's like there's no left-wing violent attacks. Like, I see that a lot. I think there is a certain degree of when things haven't gone fatal,

perhaps it's just been an attack on the street. These things either don't go reported or, like, I've seen it by myself at like political rallies in the UK that, you know, a leftist might throw something at some off or a rock and it might hit someone that might get hurt, but they don't actually report it to the police because they're like thick skin, you know, I want to handle this myself. I'm not, I don't trust the police. I'm not going to file it. So it'd be interesting to see the real numbers just behind this sort of low level violence in the streets. Yeah, you watch like Nick Shirley's video when he, he like tracked the ice raid in Minneapolis and they were like going through the street. and people were like pelting the cops with like trash and rocks and that sort of thing but since it was such a chaotic environment and ice was just doing an operation they're getting in and getting out there's not like a huge federal police presence they couldn't make arrest so all of those I mean maybe they followed up on it I'm sure they did but at least for what the public knows all that wasn't counted it's like if you started counting all of these like just attacks on officers that are taking place during these ice raids that were seeing being documented like it would be outstanding the amount of the amount of leftist violence that's been that cancel will who punched one in the agents? Yeah. She's got in trouble.

I don't forget her name. Romagna McIver. Yeah, New Jersey. So that's another, you know. Can we just stress this when we're, when, when we blame Gavin Newsom for his rhetoric and then the ICE terror attack? Can we just point out like a Democrat in Congress punched a federal law enforcement agent? Like literally punched him on camera.

I think more than once. Yeah. So when there, I'm just, I don't understand. Like, why are we? I'm not even, I'm not even, I don't even, I'm not talking to these people. You know what? I mean, they're coming on, they're being like, no, you understand. We are not for this. I'm like, shut up.

You elected this woman. She wouldn't punch the guy, and then you lied and claimed she didn't. You put her on CNN and CNN claimed she didn't, and we all watched the video. This is insane. There's a little bit of a slow-mo. You can, like, see the punch connect. I don't know where that fist came from. The punch is like a girl, by the way. She does, yeah.

I mean, it makes sense. All right. So, so far, are we hit 20? Gotta be close. there's the list is actually really big when you include all of the uh tesla stuff so right now and this is not if this is only like 10 minutes uh one two three we got three in january we got six march was crazy seven eight nine 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 20 20 oh okay no it's 24 24 just on this list so

far. Is it more than, actually it's more than that. 26. Just on this list that I have so far as 26 and I know it's missing some because I can think of more that it's not pointing out. But I want to get this out there. We need to make a comprehensive list because when you go through it, it's all leftist. There's not a single instance that I can find of a Trump supporter going and committing

some kind of terror is pretty crazy. Well, actually not really crazy at all if you think about it. it's all leftists and it's in line exactly with with like the liberal democratic party hey we have a statement from uh from comie here let's play it look at that there's there's commie that's it that's a statement he's got makeup my family and i have known for years that there are costs to standing up to donald trump but we couldn't imagine ourselves living any other way we will not live on our knees and you shouldn't either Somebody that I love dearly recently said that fear is the tool of a tyrant, and she's right, but I'm not afraid, and I hope you're not either.

I hope instead you are engaged, you are paying attention, and you will vote like your beloved country depends upon it, which it does. He's right. My heart is broken for the Department of Justice. Everything he said so far. But I have great confidence in the federal judicial system. system and I'm innocent. So let's have a trial and keep the faith. Cut out the I'm innocent and let's have a trial. The whole statement, I could, I could, I could describe that to Trump and everyone would agree with it. Yeah. I mean, the fact that he's

blaming it on Trump, when it was a grand jury, right? Like this isn't, right? This isn't a directive by Donald Trump to say, go get that guy. They presented evidence to a grand jury and the grand jury said, okay, we think that there's enough evidence here to indict. So, I mean, look, if he feels comfortable going to trial, then, you know, bully for him. But it'll go to trial, and we'll see what an actual jury says. What other options does he have, other than kind of letting it go to trial? That's his best. It's the most pragmatic thing.

You're not going to go out and say, I'm not innocent. He's going to fight his case. Yeah. So. They were really happy when the grand juries didn't indict other people. They were like, yeah, didn't get indicted because they were wrong. well he got indicted like you said so I'm going on there

I hope everybody goes out and votes like their country depends on it because Comey is right what Comey did these people are abject evil and my only fear in all of this is that Trump is not Superman my fear is that Donald Trump is actually

a bit of a hothead and I think he is motivated largely by personal interest and we need to win Yes. If people like Comey and Hizilk get power once again, they are going to destroy this country. Yep. And that's an understatement.

Help you guys like Breaking Rocks, because we've seen the way these people talk. We saw what they tried to do. We saw what they literally did. They put Trump's lawyers in jail. They said if you even try to defend Trump, we will send you to prison. The fact that they went after his lawyers should be something that means. makes people take notice right obviously the far left they're going to they're going to say well it was the right thing to do no matter what but the fact that they went after the people that are

he that he constitutionally has a right to a defense and the people that were there to provide that constitutionally protected right they went after them and indicted them and charge them as co-conspirators that's beyond the pale so i don't and if if they're willing to do that to trump in a very public facing way imagine what would go on behind closed doors right like we see it in the UK, these cases, which are not high-profile people. They're just, you know, guys on the ground, individual activists, being pressured into a guilty plea of stuff they didn't do, and their lives are ruined. And they're kept in awful conditions, sometimes kept in solitary because, you know,

general population is so hostile towards them. We've got a huge problem with Islamic gangs in the prisons in the UK. And if they find out you're a far-right racist or whatever they want to call you, they will kill you. Like, so, so, you know, you're not just going to a normal prison, you're in solitary. And that could be a reality here where the... It is, with J-Sixers especially. Yeah.

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I thought that was just an, I thought that was an echo. No, what do they call that in Minority Report? Yeah. I forget what it's called, but yeah, it might have been an echo. But yeah, so there, there's all this talk about the, the, I think, it's whatever, all of the top generals and their staff coming to Quantico next on the

30th. And there's also talk of, you know, conflict with Russia. Russia's foreign minister, Lavrov, I think it's foreign minister Lavrov is his name, but he was saying that NATO and the United States are already in a war with Russia.

But he says that like every three months. It's true, it's true. But this is more just raising the tensions. Oh, the pizza index is through the roof. Yeah, they're their yeah hegseth hegseth has called in a meeting of like all military personnel like let's go baby so maybe the stuff that's going on in the

US won't matter maybe we'll have all right we got this from PS Oopi says DJT needs to need to do an address over all this violence and division he needs to come out and just call this what it is he needs to be he needs to open transparent and make it clear that now is a time for choosing the left is doing all the violence this whole year

and when Trump comes out and says that the left is doing violence? They go, how could you accuse us? You're so divisive. It's like, well, because you guys are shooting people. Yeah. And he's been good on the issue, like better than the entire GOP, quite frankly, on the issue. Every time he's had to speak on, he specifically addresses

leftist violence. Meanwhile, just find a sound bite from your senator, your congressmen. They usually dance around at the road. Political violence would get out there and get in people's faces? Would it be beneficial to America if he came out and said, yo, let's just relax. Let's chill out a little bit, everyone. No, because the right is already chilling and relaxing.

The left's killing. The right is literally going to Trump being like, please, Trump just enforce the law. And then they were like, best we can do is a commemorative coin. When I was at the... I'm sorry, I'm sorry. That's a bad joke, by the way, because Trump's got these executive orders where he's saying go after Antifa. And I do like the idea of putting Charlie Kirk on a silver dollar. That'd be sweet.

Yeah. But I mean, like, when I was at the Charlie Cote Memorial on Sunday, speaking to people, all the speeches were like, we didn't burn down anything. Look at the way we responded. We responded in peace. It's like, great. And then people were expecting Trump to come out with something hard-hitting, and he really didn't. But already, when I was speaking to it before, I'm like, do you think Trump's going to come out with anything?

They're like, no. So they're already demoralized in that sense. And they don't think J.D. Vance is even going to. And these are the diehard people. These are the people who are going to come to the events. People flew from all over America to come here. Some of them were pretty big donors. And even they're like, he's not doing enough.

Trump had a Gettysburg opportunity. Yeah. He could have come out and said something very much like, You know, 250 years ago or whatever, several men fought against tyranny to birth this great nation, blah, blah, blah. And then he could have said a young man was, but he kind of just went off the cuff and did his Trump thing. It's like talking about autism, Tylenol. Well, I mean, it's like we're talking about, we're discussing Civil War, all this sort of thing. It's like the margin is actually kind of thin for Trump speechwriters.

Like, he has actually be somewhat incisive with what he says because, you know, there's a lot of rider dies. Finns up says it's not rumors. I'm pretty certain he publicly announced he's going to have the DOJ. looking to Soros. I do not trust Bondi at all, though. She seems easily bought or she's just noticeably dumb. I don't know. Maybe that's why Trump likes her because he bought her and she's dumb. So he's like doing. She goes, okay. I don't think so though. I think, I think, I think they know she did. Mike Davis actually was tweeting about that. He's like, she's got more balls than all of the guys in D.C. combined. And Mike Davis is, I mean, I feel like he's a pretty straight

shooter. And like at the end of the day, this is just an upgrade because they listen to Trump. I mean, is, I mean, you knew around here? We remember the first term how that went. It's like, these people listen to Trump. And then do you really want to go through another nomination process just to get someone that's going to be just as effective or whatever you think should happen? Leatherhead says, did anyone else see Alex Jones's channel is already deleted in YouTube? Indeed, as well as Nick Fuentes's. And then YouTube issued a statement saying, wait, wait, we said we were going to unband people, but not yet. And so I think they're actually lying and sent that letter to Jim Jordan just so that he would shut up and he posts it. And

they're like, uh, oops. All right. St. Miles says Trump will have set the precedent to go after Democrats should they ever come into power. Yep. Yeah, that makes a good point. All right. Finz up says the difference is you have money to protect yourself and your family. ICE agents don't have that same luxury.

Off the clock they're on their own. On the clock, their family's and safe. That's a great point. How much money do you want in exchange for someone threatening to murder your wife and child and hunt you down and flay you? alive. How much money? You give me that number. I will give it to you and I will quit right now. You let me

know and then we can have you guys like this is insane. The idea that there's any amount of money that anyone would accept to take these death threats is just I you know what? Maybe y'all are right because it seems to be the general opinion that everybody has.

The money is worth it to have to live in a box. They've been saying this stupid argument for years and it makes zero cents. Max says, Tim, you're wrong. These guys aren't like you. They can't afford 24-7 security like you can to protect their family. Okay. My 24-7 security is myself. Let's try this. I will give someone $1 million. It will make it a game show. And then we have the entirety of the left. There will be, you know, I don't know, 3,000 people online in any given day saying they're coming for you to kill you and posting your address, going on shows lying about you. And your goal is to figure

how to use that, oh, guess what? All that money, it's going towards your security. Your movement is restricted. You can't travel. You can't go to funerals. But it's okay because, you know, you have the money, I guess. Was the money worth it? I'm pretty sure that if you go to the average person and say, we're going to give you a million dollars, but you'll be hunted down and everyone will be trying to kill you, they're probably going to be like, no, I don't know that I want that. I don't, I don't know. Some people might say yes, and then immediately be a lot. the sort of Damocles was too great and I regret my decision. But I am seeing a lot of this and I will make this wager with all of you. I will donate all of my money to charity and quit

tonight if that's genuinely how everyone feels. Because I got to tell you, I am perfectly happy living in a bungalow. I say van down by the river. And I'll say a bungalow down by the river. I don't need that much money. I can pay a couple grand mortgage and I can easily do behind the scenes, social media marketing work for, I don't know, 90,000 a year somewhere and be perfectly happy playing online poker or something. You shouldn't let the chat decide because the chat is full of trolls. These aren't people trolling. These are routine super chatters saying that I should accept that because I have money,

I should have to live under the threat of death from the far left on a regular basis, when I would much prefer not to have that risk at all. And I'm being told that our own law enforcement who chose to go into direct conflict with terrorists should be afforded more protections than I. Or maybe that's not a fair assessment, but that I should accept the circumstances and the money that comes along with it will pay for the security while I'm restricted from. Man, when I was working for, like, when I was working for some of these other companies, like Vice, for instance, I got to fly, I was on a flight twice a week and 60,000 followers or whatever, getting paid six figures, I didn't have anything to

worry about. I don't think people understand that. But Charlie Kirk is dead. He died. They killed him. You know? You do it because you love it though, right? Like, you do it because you feel like you have a sense of duty to speak about things. And like, you know, from the moment you put your face out there, you know what the political climate's like. You know that somebody's going to come and target you. And that's something that you have to accept, I think. I think like, you know, the money and everything aside and like the sort of notoriety, whatever, of course, past a certain point, you don't want to exchange your freedom for that and your sort of your personal safety. But I think you knew coming into the game when you first decided to go and speak out,

you were going to go get some backlash. No. You didn't? No. When I went fully in. I didn't start this as a partisan. Yeah, I know. I mean, initially. But when you did kind of cross the Rubicon, so to speak, I remember that when I used to watch you.

But, but, but. Went to that transition. You must have, well, like, you weren't explicitly like pro Trump initially, right? Correct. Like you, you, you saw the responses people calling for. Trump stuff, even prior to his election, you saw the response from the left towards these sort of more conservative pundits, people that were aligned with Trump. You knew that they were vicious. You could have four knowledge. I went skating at MLK Plaza in Berkeley, and Antifa

posted my picture on forum saying that I was a Trump supporter, whether I was or I wasn't. I didn't go online and make videos saying, here's what's going on, and here's how the news media works, so that Antifa would post my image and threaten to beat me up. And then a bunch of people threatened to attack me until one guy said, lay off him and don't start flights to this. skate park. But I mean, just being in the public realm in general, people like, will, like, someone killed John Lennon, right? Like, John Lennon, right, maybe he's not the best example of his political side,

but people will try and, like, kill celebrities for fame and hospitality. Being in the public eye, I suppose it does come with a certain level of calculator risk. I don't think when Charlie Kirk walked out in Orham, he didn't think he was going to die. I think he was fully prepared to. I mean,

they showed at the memorial, he said, die will be done. To God, die will be done. very religious thing. Right, but... He was willing to die for that. That's why he remained on college campuses despite having this multi-multimillion dollar organization, which was able to... That's kind of a crazy thought if you think about it. Like, he was willing to die and his wife and children were also there as well. In this area where he has to have security is a great risk to him and his family for what he was willing to do. Yeah. And that's... I wish more people were willing to do that to be equally honest. Well, I mean, it's incredibly hard thing to do, but those

are the people who move civilization on. Everyone has something to lose, right? You have to go across the Rubicon, you have to be a man of action, you have to accept that I'm going to do something that is potentially going to make my life and the people I love's life very, very difficult. But my love for my country, my love for my cause, is Farwick sees that.

That's a position that the Founding Fathers. Yeah, very similar. Who most of them were very young men. I think the average age of father was at 22, something like that. No, no, no, no. It was like late 20s, early 30s. Yeah, it was like late 20s, early 30s, but there, Ben Frank was a little older,

and then there were some younger guys. Madison was like 18 or something. But there were some of the founding fathers, their children were captured. One guy's wife was taken from him. One guy's kid betrayed the family and to serve the crown. And, you know, there are men in this country

who know that they will step into the fray and this will put not only their lives at risk, but their blood, treasure, honor, and family. That's what the founding fathers were willing to do. I wish we had more men like that in this country. I think it's a very Christian. thing. It's a very Christian thing of being able to, you're willing to die, and this is the whole death to the world thing. It's easier said than done. But you don't do things that will increase

your risk of death. Perhaps you do. I mean, that's what St. Paul did. That's what the apostles did. They went out and 11 of them died. Yeah. Put their families at risk. They were persecuted. I know it's a horrible thing. No one, no one should ever do anything that's going to put their wives and child at risk. Even if they're law enforcement, they should wear masks to that. It's supposed to be some like unit class of people who are that politics is reserved for them because they don't have any attachments, this sort of like... Yes, these guys that are in ICE should wear masks and hide so that their families are not put at risk.

Well, yeah, I mean, otherwise you're not going to get people to do the job. I mean, Trump is coming on a policy. Some men are not willing to risk their honor, family, or otherwise. I'm in the UK. I get ads to join ICE every single day. I'm not even able to because I'm not a resident here, but they clearly don't have enough manpower, right? To do this and already drop that manpower and the fact that a lot of the reason

that the deportations aren't going as high as they hoped is I think it's a manpower issue. That's why they're doing such a massive recruitment drive. That's why they're doing that 50K signing bonus. Trump needs to deliver on his electorate. Yeah, 50K signing bonus, yeah. And I think what we're... This is an ad for ICE now, actually, people like... And I think the logic there, then, that should be made obvious to everybody is,

we do not have men of action in this country. The people, the reason why we need masks for ICE is because these men actually don't want to do the job. They do not want to fight for their country. They simply want the paycheck. And they're unwilling to take any risks to themselves, their family. They just want the money. I don't think that. I have to push back on that. They're putting their lives on the line. They're going into like drug dens. They're going. And why offer them $50,000 to do that? Like, why do you need to offer $50 grand to somebody to come and take this job to do it? The economy is terrible. People got to get food on the table still. Like they got to be able to provide for their families. And then my point is it's pretty dang simple. If you're like, listen, I won't do this if there's any risk at all. And I want $50,000. It sounds like you are not someone who says, form.

my country. Well, they're still taking on a lot of risks. The masks are so they can still do their jobs. Like, it would be, it's more, it would be just terrible for ICE if their agents kept getting mowed down because they're not masking. Like, it's, like, we're trying to get a job done. We're trying to get all the illegals out. And masking helps push that goal forward. That helps us get closer. They helps us move the ball down the field. Right. I'm just pointing out that if someone says, I don't want to do the job, how about 50 grand? Sure, I'll do it. But can I wear a mask that known us who I am? It's like, that's not somebody who's like, America will stand for eternity. Well, I mean, that's protocol. I mean, right now, like, I don't think it's, it's a choice

of the individual to not wear a mask. I might be completely wrong, but I imagine, that's a different argument. I imagine right now it's protocol, but even if you do, like, 50% of these guys, they are willing to have their face out there, take those risks. You're still going to diminish the force, which is needed to go and get the job done. The job's not getting done. You agree with what I'm saying? I'm saying even masked or not, that's still, like, a very noble thing. I'm not saying literally every ICE officer hates this country who's doing for money. I'm saying the officers that don't want the job but were offered 50 grand and said, okay, I'll take it, but let me wear a mask.

Are the people who are just in it for the job? I don't think they're people that that's just what gets them over the edge. But I think signing up for ICE period, I'm not even trying to do a raw, raw chest beating to dunk on people. I'm just saying legitimately joining ICE as like a decision is very noble because it's an inherently dangerous job. For the same reason, police officers. Like, I don't think it's like a terrible thing that the NYPD has a little bit better

incentives, like make sense. It's a very dangerous city to work in. You've got to reward people for the risk they're taking. I mean, I understand. But it's also, I see, like, not... Joining ICE is not great for your lifestyle. Like, you usually have to move to some pretty nasty communities oftentimes. What is most offensive to me about the general conversation is that, you know, I stumbled into this.

When I started making videos and doing this, I wasn't making money doing. I was losing money. I left ABC Univision, and I had savings, and I was living. losing money to cover these stories to, you know, travel to travel to Sweden was a massive loss. Then I started making YouTube videos at a massive loss. I started getting threats from Antifa on the far left the whole time losing money. And it wasn't until like a year and half later, I finally cracked into the black and I was even. And then I started working really hard and making more money. And then with that, I had to hire more people, eventually bring on

you know, security. Then I had to move, get away from the cities, all of which were ancillary to me just speaking out. And then I'm told that, and this happens all the time, how lucky I am for it, when I'm like, I just wanted to fucking live in a van down by the river, dude. But so, so like, why did you do that? Why did you change your, uproot your whole life? Do this in the red. What was the rationale towards that? Like, why? Because I don't care about money. I care about country. Okay. So you put the country before the money, but did you know, also consider like... And other people won't, and I'm told I should have to while other people don't.

I ask for a few good men to stand up, wave the flag, and say, I will die for my country, and then I'm told, no, Tim, no, Tim, you're wrong. Other people shouldn't have to do that. No one should take a risk. They should do a job and get paid $50,000 to do it. And I'm like, okay, maybe I shouldn't do this. They're not plundance. They're just guys with a very simple job, which is arrest to them.

is substantially less in the broad sense. In the immediacy of the job of ICE, they face tremendous risk that I do not, which I have tremendous respect for, which is why they carry guns. They have armor, protocol, APCs, helicopters, all that good stuff. And that is an incredibly important job, and I'm glad people are doing it. If the argument is, in the greater sense, I should be willing to accept threats and death threats and all that stuff, my simple statement was, Maybe I shouldn't do this. I'll make an AI channel with a V-tubers. But I mean, so, like, these ice guys are still, part of that risk is they get doxed, right?

Yeah, they're wearing masks on the job, but there is still a risk that, you know, someone speaks to somebody else. He's an ice officer and his doc still gets out there. That risk is still there. Wearing that mask is just risk mitigation. The same way that if you, you know, have security, that's risk mitigation. Which is, right, they're completely agreed. They still put themselves out there.

Completely agreed point taken. And my point is, like, me, Benny, Rubin, we should. All ISAR channels make new ones. That's what you want to do. Then, yeah. Okay, let me finish. Isar channels make AI personas masked, no names that can share these messages. The message is successful and we'll reach a broader audience, but then no one will

know who we are and we'll be safe. If that's what you wanted to do, I'm sure you could do that today. Charlie Kirk would be alive, right? He would. Would he have the same impact? Would he have reached as many people? No. No.

Of course not. People buy ideas from people. People want that parasocial relationship of, you know, going and watching your show, feeling like they know you, kind of growing that thought process with you, consuming the news at the same time as you. That's a human interaction, like AI and faceless content can't replace that. These guys aren't successful. I don't think there is a personality that got into this for the, well, I don't think there's a personality on the right that got into this business hoping to form parasocial relationships with people so that people would like them and follow them. No, no, of course not. That's not the intended effect.

left I think that's basically all of that but I mean like like you see when you were trying to get into the black as you were discussing earlier you were one you obviously needed to work harder what it working harder consists of I imagine it been putting out more content put in higher quality content out and also sort of building your persona as an online figure putting out more tweets putting out more content because that parasocial relationship that you create then least the success right whether you're you're aware of that or not that is the reality right people know Tim pool right they they want to hear your opinion on things they want to they value you as a I understand that.

I'm not saying that you wanted that parapsoscial relationship from a new political point of it. I am no Charlie Kirk. I am no Donald Trump. I am no J.D. Vance. I don't want to be in charge. I don't want to be a leader. I don't want to run for office. I don't want to have an organization backing me with tons of people.

I just have ideas and I wanted to talk about what I see. And largely, I wanted to complain about how the media lies to everybody all the time and correct that. And that's what I wanted to do. and it is getting increasingly dangerous, and I think that may be a principal component why I probably get more death threats than most other people, is that I pull up the sources on every story, we break it down and then explain why this is fake from the mainstream media. With no disrespect to the conservative side, they're largely just proselyizing conservative values, which is very effective and good for their side, and I'm not saying that disrespectfully. But as a threat to the left, it is much less threatening when a man in a suit says, you know, Christ is king, here's why. And they say, that's not going to sway any of our people. But when I, an urban liberal from Chicago, say, here's the Wall Street Journal and the Hollywood

reporter proving the FCC did not play a role, a principal role, and taking down Jimmy Kimball and the narrative from the left is fake, they go, he's fucking our shit up. So kill him. And then so, you know, I'm wholly jealous to seeing how many people got to go to Charlie's Memorial. And I'm like, I can't. Because the death threats. There were like so many high profile people there.

Yeah, some of them had secret service level security were backstage. I was not afforded that privilege. You could have, you could have gone to the floor at least. Like there was like security all over there. I did, I did not have, I did not have, I have a security team. I have a security team that did an assessment and determined that the threats were legit and too serious for me to go to Phoenix. Okay. Well, there were guys on the floor who didn't have like any, Cal Rittenhouse was walking about on it.

That's amazing. What's your security experience? Well, I used to work in the security industry. Your former military and intelligence and you've got a team. of like 300 people. I used to work with the company, which did CPO. So there would have been a risk assessment if that's the risk. And the risk assessment was, you can't go in, then fair enough.

You recommend against travel. Because certainly the event is secure, but we can't secure the city. So we can confine you to your hotel. That's the smartest and best way to do it. And I said, that sounds miserable. And they were like, you still have the threat risks from transport to and from. We're going to bring food to your hotel. We're going to check that for it.

It'll be, I'll be. And I'm like, this is crazy. I don't want to. Yeah, but what I'm saying like that you would have been able. too. It wouldn't have been a nice holiday. You wouldn't have been able to go out and go to a bow and go have a drink. I completely get that. Yeah, and it's like $30,000 to do. Yeah, yeah.

I can't afford it. Which is abhorrent, right? That's the reality that we live in America and in the West in general now. And that's it's a very sad thing, but it shouldn't deter you. And you have $30,000 for me to hire security so I can do shit like that? No, but I feel like if you

have the resources to do it and you feel like it matters, well, that's kind of, it's a personal judgment call, I guess, that point. It's not. When we went to Des Moines, we were there with Vivek, and I think, Candace, that cost $50,000, $60,000 in security. Okay. We had swatted 15 times, and I think people don't realize this, it never stopped. Yeah. We just have security now. Yeah. We've got a security perimeter. We have armed guards. We have other security that I don't discuss. We're getting robot dogs. I heard that was in the works. I'm excited.

I mean, I'm not trying to downplay the threat to your life, but I'm saying that if you kind of let them confine you to your spot, I feel maybe it's just kind of my defiance and I don't have a family in the way that you do, that they win. If you stop going to places, they win. They're getting what they want, that threat level that's stopping you from meeting people, being on the ground. No, what they want is for him to stop talking. Yeah. So, like, him continuing to do the show is making sure that they don't win. Yeah. but at the same time

they don't want you to continue to be out mingling with people where you could get further organized. There could be other I disagree. I disagree. Relationships you could I think they want me to because that's where they can kill me. He gets the most off of online through YouTube and Rumbled just like

his furthest reach is... I don't think I get the most of it every, obviously Trump is... No, no, I'm just saying more than you go on the corner of a street on Charlestown on a soapbox. You get more influence here than there's a reason why I mostly just hang out casinos. and people are always like I know not everybody

but people are like oh Tim's talking about going to the casino yeah it's because I don't die there yeah it's because pretty much the only place that I can sit down in my own business is a casino because they all know me

they typically when you're a when you're a high profile individual you walk into any casino security immediately flags you and they got cameras everywhere so when I go to a casino I can walk around without security

and I have to worry about it but when I go out in the street you just don't know. I mean, the incidents that people knew about, we had that year where we were swatted 15 notable times, that wasn't the total amount that we actually had to deal with it. People think that means cops are kicking in our door

every time. It doesn't. It meant that the cop were doing sweeps basically all the time. One credible threat resulted in us evacuating the studio for three hours. And everyone remember it was chaircast and it was 40,000 people watching an empty room. And then at one point, you see the little dog walk in and they did the bomb sweep.

And there are locations that we've tried to obfuscate through your typical legal means, which I won't get into detail on, but owning property through obfuscation to prevent security. And they found us. And we got swatted there, and armed men with rifles came,

surrounded the building, and this is like, it's an incessant constant thing. We've had, I think, three instances of the bomb squad deploying robots because the tactics they use, there are means by which

I shouldn't get into the full details. Let me just put it simply that there are ways that these people use that force evacuations and bomb squads legitimate credible threats and we have we had people who are leaking information

to anti-fund far-leftist infiltrators really really crazy shit and it's not stopped we just pay more and more money to deal with it I think like going back to what we were saying before is that you know they want you to stop I think it is kind of making your quality alive

so bad that you have to leave the with your masses of armed security and do all these like risk assessments before going anywhere and then at some point you might go well i kind of just want a normal life with my wife and kids you know like that that that is what it is so but it's also like it's incredibly difficult i don't envy you at all don't layer layer on top of it the stop whining tim you're rich layer on top of it you stop being a little bitch the cost of these things are higher than the average person anticipates i think you know the cost of security it's and uh i'd much rather live in a van down by the river.

Now I got a wife and a child and we're, you know, there's going to be some more coming soon. And so bungalow, middle of nowhere, some chickens. I could do online work and easily, if I was doing standard marketing stuff, I'd probably make half a million a year working four hours a day. With my understanding of internet structures and all that stuff, I could easily do consulting work and probably make way more doing something else than this. And so the challenge is always, and as it has been, the intense security risk that we face is a tremendous stress.

And it's not just me, but largely my wife and trying to deal with a new baby. And so one of the reasons why I'm going to be 40 and just had my first kid is exactly all the problems that I've discussed. And then the challenging thing in all of this, and let me just be a whiny little bitch because I don't care what people think. That's why I, unlike many other people, often just literally say exactly what I'm thinking, much to my own detriment. but people will make comments and it doesn't mean all that much to me when people rag on me on the internet. I got millions of followers. But to point out, the people who have been constantly chatting things like stop being a little baby, Tim, start having a family, what's wrong with you, all of those kinds of comments. Supposedly coming from people who are supposed to be on my side when the reason we're strained and struggling to do it is because people are trying to murder me.

And it's maybe we quit, shut it all down. that way we can have a family and live a normal life or we have to try and figure out how we balance making enough money to cover the cost of security so that we can live somewhere where we're not going to be murdered and then it is incredibly difficult to do that and so I've said it before

you know my wife's attitude is probably just when are you going to quit so we can stop having to worry about dying all the time and I don't know it's like you layer on that there's a tremendous respect for all the people who join the Discord server, who are members, who do watch every single day, who buy the products we promote, who are very much into it. And I look at that. And it's

not a human thing. You know, when I see coffee sales, I go, wow, did you guys know we did two million in Casper sales last year? That's not profit. That's total sales. So really good. And then I'm like, people really believe in us and care about what we do. And that number is, it means a lot. But it is just a number. It's not, it's not an individual saying, you know, we respect you and we appreciate what you do. I do get those as well. Don't get me wrong. So largely what we have in terms of encouragement is knowing that when people believe in us, they watch our shows, they buy our products. They're saying, keep doing what you're doing, don't give up. And that tremendously outweighs the negativity. But the negativity is there. The stop being a pussy bitch,

Tim. What do you have to worry about? You're rich. And coming from like accounts that I know and, you know, insulting me and like not having a kid soon enough and me trying, I would argue that most of the PR advice that I get from people is to pretend, fake it and shut up. And that's why when you watch any other show, they never talk like I'm talking now. Yeah. No one will say this stuff. You're the only person who does. Yep. And I get, it's bad for me, I guess. Because what works business-wise in media, there's a couple big strategies. One, it's be fake. Make a plastic persona that exists on camera and then be completely different off camera. Whoever you are on camera is not who you are behind. Once you're off, you go, you hide. And I'm like, well, I don't know. I don't

really do that. The other thing is who you are doesn't matter. Say whatever you have to say to get clicks. And that's principally the left. That's what they do. There are a few people on the right who have been going real ham at it lately, especially the Charlie Kirk conspiracies. The views they're getting are massive. But, you know, long story short, I get emotional when people are like, you know, you should experience the death threats and the risk to your family, which is 1,000 times greater than the average person, even in law enforcement. And I'm like, I respect what law enforcement does tremendously. I understand the threats against them. But I just wish more people willing to be like, I will not be threatened in that way. But anyway,

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