Timcast IRL - Trump Floats SHUTTING DOWN FEMA, US Begins Widespread FREEZE of Foreign Aid w/ Elijah Schaffer

Episode Date: January 25, 2025

Phil, Brett, & Elaad are joined by Elijah Schaffer to discuss Trump suggesting eradicating FEMA, the US State Department freezing all foreign aid except for Israel & Egypt, Target announcing it's endi...ng its DEI programs, and Trump visiting the LA wildfire disaster. Hosts: Tim @Timcast (everywhere) Phil @PhilThatRemains (X) Brett @PopCultureCrisis (YouTube) Serge @SergeDotCom (everywhere) Guest: Elijah Schaffer @AlmostSeriousTV (YouTube) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Thank you. Donald Trump has been in office as the 47th president of the United States for, I think, five days now. And the world is on fire. The libs have been freaking out. There are people that are already complaining that Donald Trump is turning the world upside down. He's talking about, actually he's already started sending criminals out of the country. There are planes flying them out. They're getting arrested by ICE. He's talking about getting rid of FEMA. He's talking about all kinds of stuff.
Starting point is 00:00:59 So we're going to start talking about that tonight. We got FEMA turned out to be a disaster, Trump says. We're going to talk about the State Department issuing immediate widespread pause on foreign aid. That's a pretty big deal. I think that we all kind of around here generally disapprove of foreign aid. So we'll talk about that. Target is reeling from the return of Donald Trump, and they're getting rid of some of their DEI programs. And that's not the only company to do it.
Starting point is 00:01:28 There's a bunch of places. The ATF is trying to hide their DEI people, like shoving them under the rug and stuff. Trump went to California and talked to Gavin Newsom, added all kinds of strings to getting funding for the fires that are out there, which is not a surprise. I mean, that's how there's the 21-year-old age for drinking because all of your federal funding comes with strings attached. He's talking about, oh, yeah, that's the target one. And then we're talking about Mexico has decided that they're going to try to refuse to accept planes that are deporting people. We might get into the border issues, sending military, the U.S. military down to the border. I think there's something along the lines of 3,000 troops that are going to be going. And they're going, they're going to be armed.
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Starting point is 00:03:36 Nice to be here. You said Ian's graphene dreams, and I think the last time Ian had a little too many graphene dreams when he was a teenager, his mom found his crusty sock. Easy, easy, easy. That's all I'm saying. It was a graphene dream little too many graphene dreams when he was a teenager, his mom found his crusty sock. Easy, easy, easy. That's all I'm saying. It was a graphene dream. He had graphene dreams. He came on my show. He talked about them.
Starting point is 00:03:51 He's a talented guy. No, my name is Elijah Schaefer. I was here today on Culture War. Shout out to everybody who's there. I'm the CEO of Vigilant News and also have a new show on YouTube called Almost Serious. It's brand new. New episodes every Friday at 12 p.m. Eastern. So if you watch the show on Fridays, you can either catch it before, right after Culture War, or catch it later tonight.
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Starting point is 00:04:21 Shabbat shalom, everybody. My name is Elad Eliyahu. I'm a field reporter here at TimCast News. I had a really good time covering the March for Life today. It was very politically, it was a good time, we'll say the least. And we'll have coverage of that on the Tim Pool YouTube channel on Monday. Be on the lookout for that. Brett, what's up? Oh, guys, it's Brett. I'm probably the least likely of anyone here to get deported. But my name is Brett. I do Pop Culture Crisis Monday through Friday at 3 p.m. Eastern Standard Time.
Starting point is 00:04:47 Happy to be here tonight. Let's get into it. So FEMA turned out to be a disaster. Trump calls for overhaul, eradication of Federal Emergency Aid Agency. Look, I like the idea of downsizing the government, and whatever shape that takes, I'm probably going to be for. So the Post Millennial says on Thursday, President Donald Trump said he will be signing an executive order to reform the Federal Emergency Management Agency or FEMA or get rid of the agency altogether. During a stop in Asheville, North Carolina, an area ravaged by Hurricane Helene. Trump held a press conference in the airport and said, I'll also be signing an executive order to begin the process of fundamentally reforming and overhauling FEMA or maybe getting rid of FEMA. Trump was on the ground to assess hurricane damage months after two tore through in rapid succession. I think, frankly, FEMA is not good,
Starting point is 00:05:41 Donald Trump says. I think when you have a problem like this i think you want to go and whether it's a democrat or republican governor you want to use your state to fix it and not waste time calling fema trump added well i mean does anybody really find it strange given north carolina and hawaii that people would be doubtful about whether they're able to actually do anything of note no no no i don't i don't think that it's a a stretch at all i mean i think that personally i i think that the the federal government should be downsized. So if they can streamline getting funds to disaster areas and you don't have to have FEMA to to to be the arbiter of who does and does not get the funds. So who would it come like if it wasn't to come through FEMA, then it would come through what? I don't I don't know. I'm not sure.
Starting point is 00:06:25 Through the state instead of the federal government. Oh, so you're saying not even have the federal government involved at all. As I understand, FEMA's federal, and then if they didn't have their help, it would just be through the state. Okay. Yeah, and they say FEMA stands for things like fails every month. Absolutely. You can guarantee whatever they do, they're going to fail in. I think Trump is being smart here because he's not saying we're going to stop the federal funds to disaster zones. What he's pointing out is that FEMA, like the TSA or any
Starting point is 00:06:50 of these government agencies, is probably bloated with waste and corruption. You see that, right? FEMA takes sometimes days to a week or more to get on the field. You already have emergency crews from locals going out. Plus, once they get there, they sort of get in the way of locals actually helping. And so they end up causing more problems than good and they and they were that's against trump supporters that's that is that's true that's true that's and it's also a great point they do take the time that they take especially in the modern era like it's not a surprise when a hurricane hits right like oh my gosh who predicted this what a thunk you know watching a live stream for two weeks about it. Where were you?
Starting point is 00:07:25 Whether it be a hurricane or the snow that just happened across the southeast into Florida and places that don't normally get snow. You had warning. It's 2025 and there's a significant infrastructure to predict the weather and predict these kind of things. Sure. When it comes to something like an earthquake, you know, if there were an earthquake in California, then, OK, you know, everyone gets surprised about an earthquake. But even forest fires, the fires that California is experiencing going through, there's it's not a surprise that California, California is having fires. They have fires every year so the idea that the that you have to take so long to get onto the ground to to actually have people start helping i i don't think that that that's actually the case i think that you're right it is federally it's it's bloat from the federal government what was the purpose i i remember the story about federal government employees getting involved
Starting point is 00:08:22 in saying that locals couldn't help was that something to do with liability like i was i was surprised by that but i didn't know any more about it i don't know anything about why um a lot of times the jurisdiction uh there there there's arguments over who does and does not have jurisdiction so i'm not sure but uh you know you had also made another good point elijah the the fact that FEMA, like everything else in the federal government, has been politicized. Yeah, they've been super politicized. I also think that, you know, it's not safe to say that they don't know there's going to be an earthquake because I'm from L.A. It's like we all know that there's going to be even an average family has to have an earthquake prepared emergency kit, you know, in their home. The state tells you to do it.
Starting point is 00:09:01 Your county tells you to do it. I mean, this is common stuff. I've been at least in a strong enough earthquake that it knocked my TV over and broke it, you know, born and raised in Whittier with the Whittier earthquake. It was really, really catastrophic right there on the fault lines in the Whittier Hills. Shout out to the people in East LA over there. But, you know, that being said, I mean, not only that, but they discriminated against Americans. And to answer your question, I mean, okay, on one hand, I got to support FEMA because there's the most lesbians i think in
Starting point is 00:09:25 the history of the department currently serving there right now and shout out to those people who are into crafts and sometimes you use scissors whether it's in the classroom or in the bedroom i mean good good for you but uh to the rest of you guys you know who are out there i mean i don't know i mean lesbians have not been known to do much more than maybe be involved in domestic violence so i think one of the the main things that i that I take away from this is that these agencies are about, you know, woke policies. They're about replacing, you know, qualified individuals. When I was there, I remember people couldn't get jobs in departments like this in LA because they were white men. And so these places are corrupt institutionally on who they hire. They're bloated in their budgets. They have slow response teams.
Starting point is 00:10:01 They're also discriminatory in their handbooks towards people based on their politics. And you said, why don't they let people go? People do speculate on this. But what I've heard the best theory is that the government, FEMA, is in such a catastrophic position that they have to stop American citizens from helping because it'll make them look bad and they have to be needed and wanted. So if Americans are faster at responding, getting supply chains set up faster and are more reliable than fema then what does that mean about fema it should be dissolved and they don't want that and they're in a very dire position so they were trying to stop that north carolina so instead they just stopped helping it's like they just stopped i mean uh it's the idea that a that the federal emergency management uh would would stop right they they they would say
Starting point is 00:10:46 look we need to prevent people helping we need to prevent the locals from helping because the the help will make us look bad part of me says no that can't be true there's no way that that would happen but then i also think about this is the federal government and this is probably the least far-fetched and least crazy thing you know that thing that's that that's been discussed about fema and how they distribute uh aid well remember the x files predicted a long time ago that the fema ago that FEMA was an absolutely evil agency. That had to do with alien abductions and coercion between the United States government and alien colonists. But, you know, same thing.
Starting point is 00:11:33 So if there were an alien race that visited the U.S., do you think that FEMA would be involved and they would be facilitating? Well, if there was a crash, right, like they crash in Roswell and, you know, you don't send any unit other than FEMA over there to get them. Absolutely. At all? Yeah. No one else? No, no one else. Not even like the military?
Starting point is 00:11:50 Well, I'm sure that the, I mean, military contractors would be working with them, right? With FEMA or with the aliens? With FEMA. Okay. At this point under Biden's administration, we were like one year away from having FEMA be literal aliens, like illegal aliens, right? And on top of that, I always thought it's weird. You know, like FEMA can't get aid across L.A. because AIDS spreads quicker in Los Angeles than anywhere in the entire country. I mean, look at West Hollywood, right?
Starting point is 00:12:12 So it's like, you know. I don't think that it's actually. It's as ineffective as any agency. Yeah, yeah. Well, like, okay, but jokes aside, you know, we do know L.A. is mismanaged. We know that the federal government is mismanaged. This isn't sort of a, like, is anyone surprised and so what i think what's going to happen here is this is going to be a battle against people again believing the mainstream media taking the
Starting point is 00:12:33 establishment institutional position versus believing our eyes right once again it's like you know did elon musk sig heil yes no did he do it on purpose no obviously he was saying he's autistic and he was saying you know i i give out my heart or whatever he's autistic so you're making fun of a disabled person you guys were accusing him of racism are ableist um but the most important part about that is it's like look we can look with our eyes we know what the mainstream media is saying we know their lies we know their tactics and so with someone like fema we just saw them credibly fail and get exposed for anti-Trump corruption. If you're new to this, basically there was a memorandum sent out to teams in the recovery
Starting point is 00:13:10 in Florida that literally told them directly to overlook homes with Trump signs. And that's on top of their handbook that said to not hit up white areas or affluent areas first, but help queer and black people first. This is in their handbook. So when you have an agency like that and we have the evidence, the media is going to be like, Trump's trying to stop aid when in reality, I think he just, we can see, well, somebody has got to finally fix these government budgets and do something because these aren't really working, right? I mean, am I the only person who sees this? No, the problem is though, the headlines that get to be created out of his budget cuts and stuff like that are too good for the politically uninformed they'll read it and they will take it as fact without understanding the deeper process
Starting point is 00:13:49 behind why the cuts are coming i mean i feel like that that's that's going to be the system the situation just broadly when it comes to the average person that isn't consuming political content regularly like so it's my sense that your average normie that isn't really, you know, really read into politics probably spends about 30 to 30 minutes to an hour per week on their political information. Right. These are the people that that have lives. They have kids, they have jobs, and they'll catch a couple of things that they hear on TV or on the Internet somehow. Maybe they have an X account. But if they have an X account, it's unlikely that they're not really read in at all. So they get their information, you know, half from the morning, you know, local news and half from the view, which is I mean, which means they're they're mostly uninformed.
Starting point is 00:14:42 Or it's like when Bill Burr talks about when he was and he talks about, you know, well, I think it was handled just fine. What you're saying is there's a difference between government mismanagement and firefighters doing their best with the limited resources they had to fight the fires. Now, the average person who's not paying close attention is going to assume that he means both. But we understand that he is just uninformed and doesn't know what he's talking about. Yeah. I think the larger issue at hand when it comes to FEMA is that what Americans really want is effective emergency disaster relief
Starting point is 00:15:15 whenever and wherever it happens. And what we're looking for is the most effective way to deal with it. I think Ron DeSantis proved over and over again that the state was more effective in handling it than on the state level rather than the federal level was more effective. If Trump's going to move forward with abolishing FEMA, so long as I think he redirects those funds to the states who should have a better handling and understanding of what's going on in the state than the federal government does, is the right way to go. But at the end of the day, that's what the American people want. They want effective disaster relief.
Starting point is 00:15:45 They want fire departments that promote and hire people based on meritocracy, not based on some LGBT or DEI stuff. I think the LA... You saw that, right? That was crazy. Not police department,
Starting point is 00:15:55 the fire department. The top three people there were all lesbians and there's a short video of one... Hold on. The points that you're making about Ron Sanderson and the states handling it, that's really going to depend on who's in charge
Starting point is 00:16:08 of the state because if you look at the way that you know la and california have been governed it's an absolute disaster it's a disaster just as bad as the fire they're set up to get out from the government ron desantis is the most competent at least as far as anyone can tell, is the most competent, you know, governor in the United States, whether you're talking about his whether you're talking about his management of emergencies or you're talking about the way that they run elections and stuff. Florida is really the exemplary state in the U.S. Can I can I put a caveat on that?
Starting point is 00:16:40 I'm not going to correct you, but I think what's important for this, because we sometimes can forget that, you know, being from from New York, I think you are. I'm not going to correct you, but I think what's important for this, because we sometimes can forget that, you know, being from New York, I think you are, I'm from LA, I now live in Florida, but, you know, these are a little bit of like elitist bubbles, especially depending on the region. The reason why I believe we think that DeSantis is the best governor is because he's kind of like one of the only good significant governors. This sounds so dismissive of the rest of the countries, but when you have states that are as large as florida as california as new york with these highly populated you know uh metropolitan centers the ability for corruption chicago right in illinois to be there is pretty much unavoidable guarantee but right but i'm saying it's unavoidable
Starting point is 00:17:19 and so it's almost like it's an anomaly and we just haven't seen it and i think that there probably are equally adequate governors in smaller states. Say that again. Articulate that differently. Are you saying that Florida is an anomaly because it isn't as corrupt as others? It's an anomaly because of the size that it is and the amount of money and the size of its economy. Because it's the size of an average nation around the world and yet it operates strategically and in such a way that we do not see such widespread corruption that does not benefit the average people meaning there's no property tax yet at
Starting point is 00:17:51 the same time it's managed much better than texas i have a business in texas the roads there are terrible florida they're not horrible um you know you can't get anywhere here because of the traffic but that's i mean there because but that's another story but i think what like and i mean this is praise for for desantis, not a critique. I think there are some very, very, very wonderful and amazing governors. Christine Noem has apparently managed her state well. But really is South Dakota something that – There's 30 people in South Dakota.
Starting point is 00:18:15 Right. Can we really compare the skill set and the corroboration it takes with lateral movement to manage South Dakota? I'm not saying I could do it. I'm just saying we look at DeSantis, and that's to show you that our leaders are capable. And I want to say this to not just governors. He's at like a federal-level responsibility that when you're managing 20, 30 million, 40 million people, it can be done. And so when we look at Chicago, when we look at Houston, when we look at Dallas, when we look at L.A., when we look at New York, what the hell are you doing? Because South Metropolitan Miami-Dade area, I mean some parts of it, thanks to some of the recent migration, are pretty problematic. But overall the state is functioning pretty damn well.
Starting point is 00:18:53 And I feel like to me it just makes me think how much corruption is going on and exactly where is the problem. Because if it can be done there, there's no damn reason why it shouldn't be able to be done somewhere else. I think that was the point that I was making. Yeah, no, it's just caveating. You're like, onto it, onto it. Yeah, I think – I mean, obviously, I totally agree with you. I think that Florida is the best-run state in the U.S., at least to an outsider as far as I can tell. And I do think that the people that are running it matters.
Starting point is 00:19:21 I think that you're not going to get that out of Illinois. You're not going to get, and you're not going to get that with Chicago, with the way, with the people that they elect, you know, their, their mayor is not, is, is completely captured by the whole leftist ideology. And as long as that's the situation, you, you can't help but run into corruption and, and all sorts of problems from the the state so as much as i i do agree with you a lot but i think that i think that it's it's exemplary of the people does being okay so i was thinking about how in bush's second term right a lot of people said that katrina was a huge downfall to him yeah right is that even like if you get rid of fema and you take your emergency
Starting point is 00:20:06 management organization money and you push it to the states does that actually take some of the heat off a president on the federal side if it's then done exclusively through the state even if the money is coming from the federal level down i mean i'd argue because there's no organization to link it back to him the idea is that the state would be able to more effectively deal with the disaster. But I feel as though some states are more prepared on purpose and other states aren't on purpose because they know the federal funding would be coming on the other side is one of the issues here. One of the things, too, as far as the governors go, I think there are half decent. I don't know. Is it kosher to say here on here? There have decent Democrat governors.
Starting point is 00:20:44 I just some of I think some of us tend to stay in a bubble and we're willing to overlook them so for example in pennsylvania josh shapiro i think makes an effective governor and in the same way how governor ron desantis was able to repair bridges after whatever disaster i think on the i-895 collapse josh shapiro was also will um able to quickly move to fix that disaster. In 95? Yeah, there was a big bridge collapse on Iowa. That was in Maryland. More than a few years.
Starting point is 00:21:10 That was in Maryland. I thought, wait, are you talking about during the hurricane or what? No, there was like also in Pennsylvania, there was like an oil tanker that hit like a bridge. That was in Maryland? That was in Maryland, yeah. He's so good. 95 doesn't go through. 95 doesn't go through. Isn't that Baltimore? Yeah, it's so good. 95 doesn't go through.
Starting point is 00:21:26 Isn't that Baltimore? Yeah, it's in Baltimore. Remember that? Yeah, the DEI mayor? Yeah. He forgot to get his camera. So there was one. I'm reading it now.
Starting point is 00:21:34 There's a collapsed bridge in Pennsylvania that he was able to quickly and effectively build back up by skirting different regulations and like making people work more than a few people here especially have said that it was insane that they chose tim walls to run you know i guess we found out later that shapiro didn't want any to anything to do with it and i think that's because they understood no you'll kill my political aspirations smart that shapiro was a more effective candidate and that was why it was so surprising that they didn't choose him yeah all right so let's uh Let's go on to this next story here. Give me this. The State Department
Starting point is 00:22:11 issues immediate widespread pause on foreign aid from Politico. The stop work orders appear to apply to U.S. aid for all countries except for Israel and Egypt. This ought to be great. Secretary of State Marco Rubio halted spending Friday on most existing foreign aid grants for 90 days.
Starting point is 00:22:28 The order, which shocks State Department officials, appears to apply to funding for military assistance to Ukraine, which I think is a positive. Rubio's guidance issued to all diplomatic and consular posts requires department staffers to issue stop work orders on nearly all foreign on nearly all existing foreign assistance awards. Excuse me. According to the document, which was obtained by Politico, it is effective immediately. It appears to go further than President Donald Trump's recent executive order, which instructed the department to pause foreign aid grants for 90 days pending review by the secretary. It had not been clear from the president's order if it would affect already appropriated funds or ukraine aid what do you guys think about stopping foreign aid personally i love the idea of ending all foreign aid because just like i think that that when you give individuals money you turn them into wards of
Starting point is 00:23:24 the state and you make them dependent on the state i think when you give other countries foreign aid i think that it does uh make them dependent on the united states i will say the one thing that the one i think positive argument about foreign aid is when you have as much stupid debt as the united States does and you give foreign countries dollars that incentivizes them to spend the dollars and use the dollars, meaning that your currency is going to be propped up by that as opposed to people stop using it. If they have the money and it's valuable or they see value in it, they're going to spend it and that's good for the the profit for propping up the dollar now that's not saying that i like the idea of foreign aid i think that it's a net negative but at least i want to talk about the some of the uh positive the arguments that would people would consider a pro but what what are we thinking here is there is there anybody here a lot what do you think about foreign aid man i think foreign aid is an important foreign policy that we have in our country having said
Starting point is 00:24:29 that i think for way too long um american foreign aid has been taken for granted and been taken advantage of by other countries um and and every single um all foreign aid that we are giving out to people does need to be re-evaluated for how important and useful it is to advance American policy objectives around the world. That's a good question. I mean, look, the stopping the foreign aid thing, it's always going to come with an exception, right? And I think right now there's three countries that are, am I incorrect that it's still three countries that are- It was Egypt and Israel. It was Egypt and Jordan.
Starting point is 00:25:02 I know it's Egypt, Jordan, and Israel, right? I think that- Which is all just saying Israel. So I heard this story the other day. I think it was two or three days ago. And I don't know. And I this particular piece that CNN is reporting or political is reporting here. This is actually new today. So last I heard it was Egypt, Jordan and Israel.
Starting point is 00:25:23 I don't know if it's still Jordan. I think that there's an update because it said that the the proposal was from Trump originally. And then what Marco Rubio did actually goes further than what Trump was talking about. But go ahead. I don't need to cut you. Oh, yeah. Look, and these things could be changing live as we go. I mean, there's a bridge that collapsed, collapsed in Pennsylvania, a bridge that collapsed in Maryland. The point is, it's kind of sad that the state of our infrastructure, the bridges are collapsing, right? And there's more than one. And then that's the issue. So with something like this too, it feels kind of similar. It's like, okay, well, Egypt and Israel, let's be honest, it's the same foreign aid package if you really look at our objectives. Some people could argue in favor
Starting point is 00:25:57 of that, right? Could say, well, I mean, this is where we're objectively giving to an ally. I mean, obviously I would probably be on the other side of the camp. And I would like disagree that this is an ally. I don't think ally I think allies don't just take that they give back a lot, you know, particularly in your times of need. But we don't see a lot of the two the two way giving in the way I'd like I'd like to see, you know, per se. So I mean, I understand that a lot of people are really sold out for Israel, either spiritually. I know that there's a lot of people that are captured, you know, ideologically outside of, you know, people blame AIPAC for everything.
Starting point is 00:26:29 Some people are just Protestant Christians, which I think people really dismiss in this country. And I understand that it's probably really easy to keep the money flowing. Then there's so much political lobbying. I mean, Israel pays too much money to politically lobby to give up their foreign aid. So to me, I still think this is a win. I know people are going to hate me for this, but it's like, look, if we even got the political lobbying cornered enough with Qatar and other nations that we were able to melt down our foreign aid down to at least two countries,
Starting point is 00:26:54 am I happy with it? Is it perfect? But this is my opinion on the people that are constantly negative about this Trump administration. Yeah, Trump's a Zionist. He's open about it. And he's not going to stop supporting Israel. And if you thought you were voting for him and that's what he's going to do, he's not,
Starting point is 00:27:07 he's also not bringing about the fourth Reich and he's not a white nationalist and he's not a white supremacist and he's not a national socialist. He's a centrist. And he said during his inauguration, he's bringing about colorblind meritocracy. That's the most fence sitting, you know, bullshit that you could possibly say if you were trying to be right wing. He's like, he's a, he's a, he's a, he's a 90s Democrat. Well, yeah, he's just a moderate guy. But unfortunately for us, it's like, you know, things have gone so far left that even just pulling towards some common sense, I'm going to say as someone who would be considered
Starting point is 00:27:35 staunchly right, I still celebrate the wind towards the center. And so even if I, if I could sit here and say, yeah, I'm not happy that we're still giving five, $6 billion to these countries who are politically lobbying us. And it shows you we don't have full control of our government. The fact if we can even get the fire contained 30 or 40 percent, I don't want to be one of those guys. It's just, oh, this isn't a win because we didn't get all of our countries. So, yeah, I'm of the mindset that is if any any money that the government doesn't spend is a victory. Because the government is always always always not just spending
Starting point is 00:28:05 money it's always increasing spending um i think it's a big win because of the fact that we are not giving money to you to ukraine which is that's been the biggest uh consumer of of american foreign aid for the past two years definitely um i'd love to see foreign aid stopped going to israel and to jordan and and to egypt and and all like i like i said i i'm just overall i think that foreign aid is a net negative when it comes to foreign aid i do think we're missing a little bit of the forest for the trees i think is the saying because beyond america supporting other countries financially and sending arms we run the world economy and the backbone of the world economy is based off of Americans' ability to police the seas and allow free trade to occur.
Starting point is 00:28:51 So if Americans weren't willing to subsidize free trade globally, it wouldn't exist and the world system would collapse. We have troops all throughout Asia right now that act in a way of foreign aid. And like people often ask, why? Why do we have this foreign policy of trying to support many of these other nations? It's because if we didn't, then the world order would look completely different. If the American military wasn't there to help support South Koreans now with troops stationed there, there would likely be war to continue there. If we don't send money to Egypt, the Egyptian government would likely collapse. If we don't continue to support NATO, which people tend to overlook, then Russia will definitely encroach more on Eastern Europe.
Starting point is 00:29:26 So how do I know that? And I said, I don't know that I believe that. I think that I think they'd go after. I think they go after Ukraine, but I don't know that they're looking. I think there's a reason that other countries like Finland and Sweden, I believe, decided to join NATO after the Russian invasion of Ukraine. I think Ukrainian Russian ambitions in Eastern Europe are obvious and clear. There's like NATO lobbyists and expansionists who like have this other. I think Ukrainian, Russian ambitions in Eastern Europe are obvious and clear. There's like NATO lobbyists and expansionists who like have this other idea. I think it's within our interest to help prop up the American world order that we continue to benefit from. Is it Switzerland changing a centuries old, you know, dogma and suddenly supporting Ukraine in a conflict? I mean, that doesn't strike you as a –
Starting point is 00:30:01 Why do you think Finland joined NATO? That doesn't – why do – okay, well, first of all – Switzerland actually is supporting Ukraine? Switzerland came into – got out of neutrality supporting Ukraine? Switzerland got out of neutrality. Well, they got out of neutrality on Ukraine. Yeah, and I'm not going to go to the details. You can look that up. But in terms of their idea of their support, they were vocal.
Starting point is 00:30:14 There was politicians. It completely broke composure. That threw me off, too, when Swiss politicians, it threw me off. I don't know if Switzerland ended up ever giving arms or they ended up – they they both joined nato but i want why do you think they ended up deciding why do you think these countries are feeling compelled to join nato okay okay that is a very long i mean very short short and simple i think that there is just like we have apac lobbying in our government there's nato lobbying i think this has to do with unification and military expansionism and the military industrial complex the more more NATO countries that they lobby to get in, then they have to buy the weapons from our military industrial complex companies.
Starting point is 00:30:50 This is about continuing the war machine. I don't think it's because Finland wanted to or was better off. And I don't think Switzerland was better off. I think it's better off for Finland's defense. I think they're in greater danger. I think being a neutral border country would create actually more strength for them because Finland could then in many ways play both allies to both countries and say well we're in that neutral we'll buy from both then they might be able to negotiate for cheap gas you have countries competing to bring sovereignty into the nation and to give them all the resources they want at an exchange rate that would be
Starting point is 00:31:15 beneficial to people i'm just saying i don't think certain countries joining nato is beneficial and particularly i don't think nato is beneficial to the States, considering how little people pay for their own. I think you talk about a lot of these things very ominously because you're missing, like, the most obvious answer to these questions. So why would Finland want to join NATO and have access to the best weapons on Earth to help deter a potential future invasion? That's why these countries want to join NATO, because they feel threatened and they know that NATO is one of the most powerful. Ukraine's not NATO. No, they're not. They wanted to. They wanted to. I know, but they didn and they know that nato is one of the most powerful defensive ukraine's not nato well no they're getting a lot of money they wanted to be they wanted to i know but they didn't and they're still getting the weapons what does that tell the rest of people you don't have to join nato to get you want access to the best weapons on
Starting point is 00:31:53 planet earth and the guarantee from the united states that they'll defend you because you were scared of countries invading you like i think it makes a lot why would you be afraid if you were neutral had good for why are you afraid because russia is very bellicose in invading its neighboring countries. Well, maybe because they're cozying up and the government is becoming radicalized towards a pro-NATO, not even a pro-West, because the West doesn't need NATO in its current form. In fact, it's been radicalized. We've continually violated our PACs. We're expansionists.
Starting point is 00:32:20 And we've actually been provoking Russia. We're expansionists. But Russia is invading Ukraine. But is Russia expansionists? Okay, the U.S. never, we never even been provoking Russia. We're expansionists. But Russia is invading Ukraine. But is Russia expansionist? Okay, the U.S. never, we never even invaded Iraq or Afghanistan. We weren't trying to expand our country in that way. But Elijah, no, I'm trying to understand. Do you believe that Russia is an expansionist?
Starting point is 00:32:33 Do you think Putin has expansionist ambitions in Ukraine? I think it's unification. I don't think it's expansionism. I think it's unification. Yeah, I do. It's outrageous. I do. I believe that.
Starting point is 00:32:42 I mean, so you don't believe in any of the sovereignty of Ukraine? I do not believe in Eastern Ukraine sovereignty, no No, eastern sovereignty. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't I don't believe so. So not the Donbass. What part of Ukraine is sovereign? Not Crimea, not Donbass. But what about the rest of it? West Ukraine, if you will. Well, I've never heard such a term. I mean, I'm not I'm not a geopolitical. I'm not deciding the borders of the countries. But I do know the Russian ethnic people who already decided or voted to to succeed and to join Russia and also to give themselves Russian passports. I think they have the right to secede and join Russia. So I do believe, especially with all the shelling.
Starting point is 00:33:12 Do they have the right to join NATO if that's what they want to do? Do they have the right? Why would you ask me if I have? No, because you're saying they could decide whether Russia or Ukraine has the right. You have the right to say that if they want to be a part of Russia. Everyone has the right to do whatever the hell they want to join NATO? Do you think they should be able to join NATO if they want to? They should be able to if they vote.
Starting point is 00:33:30 The U.S. is paying for NATO. I don't believe the U.S. should allow them. But you asked me if they should be allowed to if they if they want to. They should be allowed to want to join. I can't stop Ukraine, but I think the U.S. should block Ukrainians from joining NATO. They should have. I think we could have avoided this war if we had been stricter in demilitarizing and actually trying
Starting point is 00:33:48 to lower tensions. This war was avoidable. I also think Putin was dumb. I think that's so naive. You want to demilitarize Ukraine and that's going to stop Russia from invading. No, but I do think Putin was dumb as well. It's the most backwards way to think of it. No, it's not though. It's not. If you look at the expansion of NATO, I do believe this current conflict, especially when you talk
Starting point is 00:34:04 about the U.S. literally waging a coup inside of Ukraine about 11 years ago now, and then also with the annexation of Crimea, this has been cooking for, this is a war that's been going on for over 10 years. It escalated with an invasion into what they, what Ukraine calls sovereign territory, but what Russia sees as its own and its own citizen citizenry it's not a black and white picture i don't think there's anything i couldn't say wrong like i have no authority it's like well what do you think finland can't want to be nato dude i'm not finished i have no i have no we're the leaders of nato so i mean no i know i have no freaking clue i don't live in finland i don't know what their domestic and internal problems are and why they would want to i know why other other countries or why we've
Starting point is 00:34:45 expanded i know what lobbying happened from the military industrial complex to try to convince and lobby politicians so that they would be able to buy our weapons to keep our imports and our exports up on our weaponry because they have to buy our weapons and nato approved weaponry i know that and i'm saying i don't believe that the expansion of nato was really about protecting europe i do think it was about money and power a lot do you think that ukraine should be allowed to join nato i think if ukraine was in nato russia would not have attacked that's not what i asked do you think that ukraine should be allowed to join nato at this point no because they're in a conflict and you need to settle all your border disputes if you want to be a part of nato i think that they should have been allowed to join before
Starting point is 00:35:20 russia invaded and by russia invaded i mean I mean after the 2014 election shenanigans and stuff. So I think because of the election shenanigans is when Putin sent the famous little green men. Yes. And that's what – they had a border dispute following that. And if you have a border dispute and have an open conflict going on, we don't want to bring you in because we don't want to be dragged into that so then prior to that do you think they should have been allowed to join ukraine so say say that in the 90s when when the the when you know russia when it was like look we got to get these nukes out of ukraine um we prompt in the united states made agreements that that said we'll protect you from russia if you if you give up the
Starting point is 00:36:00 nukes do you think they should have been allowed to join nato then there were some other stipulations like the issue of corruption and different things like that. But yeah, I think it would be a good thing. And if they met, I think now Trump wants it to be like 5% of GDP. Yeah, I think they would have made a great ally. I'm just like how Poland is one of the best NATO allies currently, they contribute something like 4.8% of GDP to military spending, and they help contribute to making NATO such a powerful force. And you'll actually notice the further east you go with NATO allies, you'll see them spending a higher percent
Starting point is 00:36:30 of GDP on military. And why all of this is? We don't need to put our heads in the sand and pretend we don't know what's going on. They're all more nervous about a Russian invasion as opposed to the French. Are you neocon adjacent? I'm not even saying that as an insult. Are you neocon adjacent? Neocon adjacent? What is a neocon?
Starting point is 00:36:46 I believe in peace through strength. Okay, that's all. And I believe Trump believes the same thing. And Trump is encouraging NATO countries to increase to 5% of GDP spending. That's a very broad statement. No, increased military spending. But where? And with who?
Starting point is 00:37:01 Who's increasing that spending? To our NATO allies, to our Asian allies, to our Israeli? It's like it's like, no, but I think Trump is a nationalist. And, you know, and I think that he's actually no, I don't think he's I think what Trump actually is doing. He's actually tried to modernize our own military. So he's actually come home first. And my person, from what I've seen, is saying he came in his first administration, realized that not only was Air Force One outdated, that we have a new one coming in 2020 or 2030, the protection and the military. I think it's technically considered an air force, right? A property of the military. So that One outdated. We have a new one coming in 2020 or 2030, the protection and the military. I think it's technically considered an Air Force, right? A property of the military. So that was outdated. We have a new one coming out. It still won't
Starting point is 00:37:32 be finished until he's out of this term. So he's looking at future positions. He's getting the military set up for the future here. Not only that, he's helped modernize the Navy. We know he started the Space Force. My only derision or difference with you is I do believe that the American military machine has gotten too greedy. And I do believe that there are multiple aspects. And maybe this is where you and I might agree more, because I don't think you're a very pro-war individual. And a little of my libertarian anti-war Scott Horton side comes out. But I do believe that the military industrial complex is very sneaky. And it's not just by waging endless wars in Iraq or Afghanistan that we have weaponry that we leave behind.
Starting point is 00:38:08 I think adding NATO members has been a crucial and vital part of just like the EU needed to add new members to keep its bureaucracy running or the USCIS immigration in our country needs to increase immigration because they increase fees. And now it's completely run through paperwork fees like a lot of the bureaucracy and the back end are run by expansionism. And sometimes we need to realize, you know, it's not always so maniacal and malevolent and evil. I want to I want to I want to chime in here. In it's my sense that the future of the military industrial complex is going to be less. And I think the Ukraine war kind of exemplifies this it's going to be less about you know tanks and and bombs and stuff and more about intel and and i think that in the next 30 years um lockheed martin's not going to be as important as google is i think that the tech companies and and the ai companies that you see i think n NVIDIA is going to be more important.
Starting point is 00:39:05 So US-based companies. Well, I mean, I would like to see them be US-based companies, but yes, I do think that tech companies are going to actually be where the frontier of the military industrial complex, because as AI becomes more and more important and as robotics becomes more and more important, you're going
Starting point is 00:39:25 to see less um less reliance on manned systems you're going to see less reliance on on uh on you know conventional forces but that i mean that seems to be the way in which the military industrial complex has captured at least the the former anti-war left who talk about when you talk about where the spending is going they try to point out that the weapons are being made here in America. So American wages are being paid for it. Well, which is we know is really just a Trojan horse to allow you to make more arms and sell more weapons overseas. Elijah, I just want to follow up because I think big picture where we disagree is that I believe in American values and American hegemony worldwide. And I think it's important to stand for those values and support our allies worldwide and not cede any room to the Chinese in the Pacific or the Persians in the Middle East
Starting point is 00:40:13 or the Russians' irredentist dreams in Eastern Europe. So I think that's the bigger picture idea of where we disagree. Because if we do pull back in NATO, if we do pull back from the pacific if we don't want to start uh continue supporting our allies in the middle east we are only ceding ground to our enemies who have the opposite values that we do here i i will i do i do think i do agree that the united states is in a position where the more the u.S. pulls back, the more it will create a vacuum and the more that will be filled by other countries. We were talking earlier and whereas I don't think that, you know, I don't want the U.S. to go and start any kind of other wars or anything like
Starting point is 00:40:55 that. But the U.S., if the U.S. does, you know, shrink its role in the world, that's going to have a corresponding effect on the dollar and it's going to have a corresponding effect on the dollar and it's going to have a corresponding effect on the influence that the United States has. And I don't think the American people really want that. I think, again, you know, Joe Sixpack or whatever you want to say, the average person that isn't politically, you know, dialed in, they don't want to see a significant change in their life. And I think that that the average person is completely unprepared for the kind of changes that they would see if the u.s did become less
Starting point is 00:41:31 of the global hegemon so now whether or not whether or not you think the u.s is a a force for good or force for bad is neither is actually neither here nor there it's just that when when the u.s stops being the global hege, that makes a massive change in the whole world. Hold on. It makes a massive change in the whole world. And I don't think that the average person has really thought through the ramifications in their daily life to that kind of change. Well, the other problem is that when they see the way that disasters happen in America and there's no help for American citizens, they're not thinking five steps ahead. They're saying, why are you spending trillions of dollars, billions of dollars overseas when you don't even have the money to help us here?
Starting point is 00:42:10 And they're not thinking about all of those steps and what it means to be a global power. And that actually speaks to my exact point. The average American doesn't even understand how things are funded. People think I pay taxes to pay for things. But this is everywhere though yeah but the but people don't think people think i pay taxes so that way the government has money to pay for things and that's not how it works anymore when the government wants to to fund something the government wants to make bombs the government wants to fund a program whatever they print the
Starting point is 00:42:39 money you use taxation and they use interest rates to control the dollar supply, the amount of dollars that are out there. But if they want to do something, they don't need to tax you for it. Your taxes aren't going to go up. So that way they can afford to do things. That's not how our economy works at all. It's still bankrupting your kids. It's still putting your kids' future in danger because they're also going to be taxed at an endless rate. We're never going to get out of debt.
Starting point is 00:43:03 Foreign aid is not what's bankrupting America. By the way, Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security is what's bankrupting America. So no, I love why we always love to point the finger and we say, oh, foreign aid, and that's why we can't help the homeless people, and that's why people are starving in the middle of God knows where. You're 100% right. It's mandatory
Starting point is 00:43:20 spending, the discretionary spending, things like the military and what else. those things are not Important if you if you actually are worried About the United States debt and the value Of the dollar and stuff you have to address Mandatory spending you have to address Medicare Medicaid and Social Security those
Starting point is 00:43:36 Are the things that are that are actually driving the debt Everything else is tertiary as much so That does speak to what we're talking about here The foreign aid stuff the conversation that we're having is Great I love the idea of Getting rid of foreign aid but it does not matter about the debt there's no one no one's going to be like oh the debt's going to explode because we give so much money to israel we give israel pennies compared to what we what really drives our nothing will change if we give if we stop giving foreign aid nothing will change for you domestically
Starting point is 00:44:04 but here nothing at all here's where foreign aid is different will change for you domestically. Nothing at all. Here's where foreign aid is different. It's from the outside looking in. I've lived all over and worked all over the world, right? From South Korea to China to Australia. I've been around there. And one thing that I've noticed working and living out of another Western country, even though I don't live there anymore or work there,
Starting point is 00:44:18 is that in Australia, it's a superpower, right? No. And it is a superpower. It's a colony of ours. It is. It's a colony of ours it is it's a colony of us no if we didn't help protect them china would take them all right okay elon i'm glad that you are able i'm glad you're more i'm glad you're smarter than the entire early your australian friends are still yeah yeah i'm sorry i'm sorry that you don't understand that the five eyes and the intelligence and the fact of what really the world what happens in the world there okay so
Starting point is 00:44:41 don't say five eyes it literally is it literally is a superpower because the world is not really the world. It's broken up into regions. And in that region, basically the Western dominance is really set down to two major countries. You could look at Japan as one, but really South Korea and Australia to control what's going on in the South China Sea,
Starting point is 00:44:58 as they would call it, or just call it the Pacific. But the point of the matter is that Australia, like you said, people don't think about where their money goes. Over there, everybody's like, you know, we have healthcare and we have this and we have that. And you're like, yeah, well, it's because you have the luxury of the United States is propping up your failed military, which their military is so failed,
Starting point is 00:45:17 by the way, that they're planning on letting non-citizens join their military ranks. It's actually gotten that bad. And it's so bad that right now, one of the most contradictory or controversial ideas in the country, the U.S. is saying, hey, I think this actually started, it might have started under Trump. You need to actually buy your own nuclear subs to deter China. We're not going to fund and patrol your waters anymore. So they're going to be $34 billion. And everyone in Australia was freaking out, right? Because they're used to their money not going towards buying nuclear subs. I'm laughing as an American there because I'm like, you're mad that you're spending $34 billion on subs? Wait till you find out what we spend on our subs every year.
Starting point is 00:45:53 You guys keep saying, oh, we get healthcare. But our healthcare system is falling apart. I'm like, welcome to being an American that you can make fun of so much and say, well, you guys buy bombs and we have healthcare. Well, eventually you're going to need to buy your own bombs. And it's either now or never because we cannot patrol the whole world we cannot control if you really want to be a superpower and you want to be an ally like how israel's an ally you got to give backs it's not just against israel it's like you got to give back because even though we're not giving three billion in aid let's say to australia the amount of military support that we give to
Starting point is 00:46:20 patrolling and protecting their northern border is in probably way more than what we where are they buying these submarines from from the united states and is the is the military industrial complex here a good thing or a bad thing oh that's okay that's a dumb question that they're getting the the submarines or not that they have the ability to buy this those nuclear is it good that they have the ability sure it's a good thing okay yeah sure i wish that they had the ability to create their own if they really are considered an ally have a qualitative want to have a qualitative military edge over other countries, then you have to buy from the best. They've let their edge fall like many Western countries. They wouldn't be able to compete otherwise.
Starting point is 00:46:52 Not every country could have a cutting edge military. Everyone's been relying on the U.S. for decades that people have not been developing their own weaponry. We have the best arms industry, and it's a good thing that our allies continue to buy from us, just like you were talking about earlier, how we have five eyes. You know, I think it's an important thing that we continue to collaborate with our allies abroad to help buy these submarines. And I'm sure, by the way, the U.S. is subsidizing those submarines. Kate, yeah, all I was trying to say is the reason why that's what's happening in the world today with foreign aid. So we're talking about this. It's easy to look at foreign aid as just the dollars that we send in numbers on a screen we're transferring.
Starting point is 00:47:24 But how many years have we been protecting new zealand and australia you know it's about time that we do cut back on our foreign aid of these countries and say look you guys make trillions of dollars in gdp you can build some damn submarines i mean well i don't i don't know that i'm particularly concerned with the the shipworks of new zealand and australia i don't have a problem I am because we need to control that for trade. The U.S. has interest in controlling Pacific. The United States is the country that patrols the seas.
Starting point is 00:47:51 The United States makes all the oceans safe for international trade. It's not something that we... It's not a situation that we share. I don't have the numbers, but all you've got to do is Google the united states navy compared to every other navy in the world every other navy is is would be destroyed in a moment if the united states wanted to we have something like a dozen
Starting point is 00:48:15 nuclear submarines yeah i mean don't that no other country truly has maybe japan has one or two but the the all we know about to the amount yeah the amount of power that the united states has when it comes to a the naval the navy is is mind-boggling and the united states does make trade safe and i think that as much as the united states is going to be you know we're going to be imperfect and there's going to be corruption and stuff i'd rather the united states be the country that's making sure that the seas are open for trade than China or then Russia, because I just don't trust that China or Russia would deal even close to as fairly as the United States deals fairly. I'm sure that there are there are countries that feel like they're getting, you know, the crap end of the stick and stuff like that when they're dealing with the US. I'm sure that's the case. But at the end of the day, I think the United States is the most fair of the options out there.
Starting point is 00:49:06 So, I mean, I don't think that it's a bad thing that, you know, honestly, the foreign aid when it comes to military aid and stuff like that. It's the U.S. having Americans build military weaponry for other countries. So essentially, the U. U S is just paying Americans. Yes. American arms. And, and, and again,
Starting point is 00:49:29 now you can be against these kinds of things and stuff. That's fine, but it's not the same thing as handing out bags of cash. You know, we're not, we're not sending pallets of cash to, to, uh,
Starting point is 00:49:38 you know, Australia, New Zealand, like we just put our, our, our largest CIA operative headquarters base right in, in Australia, which is essentially a U.S. controlled extension of our dominance. Although all this being said and done, I just thought it would be a time to remind you guys of how much we're all collectively frustrated at this table with the West Virginian local politics of sole proprietorships and business.
Starting point is 00:50:01 And I've been here for a day. I got to get the hell out of here. All right, let's go to this. Let's go on to this story. Target is the latest company to roll back some DEI programs because Donald Trump is a Nazi. Not really that last part I made up. CNN reports New York.
Starting point is 00:50:24 Target is joining a wave of U.S. companies pulling back on diversity, equity and inclusion initiatives as right wing right wing. That's a scare word there. Right wing pressure leads to leads companies to alter their commitment to hiring diverse candidates and expanding access. Everyone knows that that is as much crap as you can jam into one opening uh i mean sentence is as imaginable well any profit-seeking entity was looking to do this anyways this just gave them the excuse to finally be able to do it and put the blame on someone else and cnn gets the call exactly orange man bad for doing it uh target said in a statement friday that it will end its three-year diversity
Starting point is 00:51:02 equity and inclusion goals in 2022 the company said that those goals included ensuring equitable access to career advancement and equitable business decisions that increase relevance with diverse guests and support economic inclusivity. Target had also committed in 2020 to expand black representation at the company by 20%. I think we all around this table probably agree that these are terrible ideas because you're not hiring for uh for competency you're hiring based on skin color and that's you know it's just straight up illegal in the united states i mean am i am i talking out of no but the problem is is now they talk about trump's rolling back civil rights now
Starting point is 00:51:42 people think of it in the opposite effect now. Say it again. Now because they're talking about Trump rolling back civil rights because he's getting rid of these programs, they don't understand that's not what that is. So he's actually getting the blame despite the fact that what they were doing with these programs was already illegal. But again, I think that that person that you're the hypothetical person you're talking about is the person that watches, you know, maybe 30 minutes to an hour ofimmy kimmel a week and that's where they get their you know
Starting point is 00:52:08 hell yeah which which is a terrible terrible development you know when you have people like jimmy kimmel that are that are the people that are giving the news to americans view their view is worse i i absolutely worse but uh only marginally there's also a lot of guilt by association in Americans who just – they see something like this and they say, yeah, I do come from a privileged background. Now, whether they do or they don't or whether this other guy on the other side of the table is of the same – has the same access as them doesn't matter to them. So they don't see a problem in stuff like this, especially NIMBY white liberals out in the suburbs. They're not going to see a problem with programs like this. You think the NIMBYs? The not-in-my-backyards?
Starting point is 00:52:46 Yeah, because they're not worrying about jobs at Target. I don't mean to minimize getting rid of these DEI programs. Go on, minimize them. But I will minimize them in a second. It feels like the government, you know, kind of winks and nods and gives directions to these companies for what they want to see. In the past administration, it was that Joe Biden wanted to see them do more do more dei stuff so they did the window dressing for the dei stuff now they don't want to be targeted or try to get in the good graces of the trump administration so you see
Starting point is 00:53:11 not only these guys but some of the tech bros like jeff bezos at amazon well i guess he's not on amazon anymore do the same thing where they're trying to get rid of these dei initiatives and get in the good graces of the conservative government do you think that this is this is do you think that this is virtue do you think that this is- It's virtue signaling. So you think that they were looking to get rid of these programs anyways, and that the getting rid of them is actually a way for them to get into the good graces of- They were already making cuts.
Starting point is 00:53:35 So if you actually go into, it's really funny, if you go into a lot of these companies and you look at the demographics, they haven't become more diverse. When you look at upper level management in tech companies, you can check this out for most of the large ones, it's still upwards of like 90% East Asian, not even talking about South Indian, like East Asian, and predominantly white men who are running core engineering, core development, especially the executive department-level teams. And then it'll look and it'll be like, well, 50% of the employees
Starting point is 00:54:01 are basically brown, gay, or a combination of some sort of melanin nation. And the thing is that what happens is that these jobs are actually able to be cut fairly easily. And they don't want these jobs at their companies. They're bloat. And a lot of this stuff isn't needed. You ever watch the videos of these like Asian girls going like, and I get a little soda at my office and I type up a couple codes. Listen, your company knows your job is worthless too. Asian girls going like, and I get a little soda at my office and I type up a couple of codes. Oh, those are the great. Listen, your company knows your job is worthless too.
Starting point is 00:54:29 And when the cuts came recently, the profits aren't there. They do the cuts for them first. Like, you know, wow. Everyone. I love how people will be like, we're winning woke Microsoft cut 20,000 jobs. You're like, bro, they've been waiting for like, I agree with you a lot. They've been waiting to cut these 20,000 jobs because once they had the financial, you know, excuse to tell the government, cause at a certain level of a corporate, you know, size, you have to have, the government does check in on your diversity quotas. It's unfortunate, but they do. You have to have
Starting point is 00:54:50 evidence for why you made the cuts. And I just don't believe DEI is good for business. I believe it's annoying to people. And I do not think that the average consumer really wants to buy tucking underwear at target or see gay flags while they're buying their coffee. Like I just, I don't even, I don't know anyone who cares outside of maybe Portland. This was the same thing that happened in Hollywood after the strikes, and they immediately started cutting jobs like that and sending work over to Canada, work over to India. The first thing that they do, they're like, look, we're telling you, look, the strike is going to hurt you.
Starting point is 00:55:20 You're going to get what you want on paper, and the first thing they're going to do is send your work elsewhere. And that's exactly what happened. They were just looking for an excuse. Yeah, it's like, I want to go to the store without experiencing Ian's graphene dream. You know what I mean? Like, I'm just saying. I mean, it's the laptop jobs. It's the same thing people have been talking about for
Starting point is 00:55:35 years. They're basically, the people who go to do that, the ones who work for Google, are just influencers that are used to make propaganda videos to make, look how good it is to work at google but everybody knows knows like when elon bought twitter and he cut like 80 80 percent of the workforce and the website still worked and you're referring to those tiktoks that you saw yeah that's the whole point you know i'm i'm going to work and they'd you know essentially do like a
Starting point is 00:55:58 day in the life of google 10 minutes of work in the whole video and they'd have you know three different adult daycare can i ask you a question phil this is gen i genuinely want to know this because i joked on the earlier show today you said you're an anti-communist i was like oh are you a fascist i was just messing with you i know you're not um because i like because fascists are anti-communist and i'm not a fascist either but i i i do want to know a good question i know fascism is becoming very popular uh particularly among a certain amount of the right wing and no one can deny that right um you know we define it? Shlomo 666 Anon might be in the chat tonight,
Starting point is 00:56:27 telling me to deport Elon, and I will do it later. Don't worry, Shlomo. Don't worry, I got the Mossad's back. Or the CIA, who knows? I found Tim's matzah in the green room, so I know. His Mossad agent is here somewhere. He's right across from you. Yeah, I'm like, he's somewhere.
Starting point is 00:56:44 He's the impact handler. No, but okay, so look, I understand and and honestly i understand it right this coalition there was a question yeah i'm asking i'm asking you no i'm saying i understand this idea of fashion people don't understand this this alignment of sort of the private and and the public sector what the reason why i understand this is because what we kind of are seeing right now is that the private sector does take direction from the public sector and if trump is saying we're going to be a certain way then the private sector lines up and right now we like us or a lot of us in this room at least like where trump is taking things so we like where the private sector is going when biden's in we don't like where it's
Starting point is 00:57:18 going and so we don't like the private sector so this is where how much government how much should we be fighting for government strength like this or government control? Because we are we do have a direct alignment of our private and public. Where do we set the limit? And why is fascism then wrong? You know, you're anti-communism. Why is that wrong? So the idea that that the government aligns with private with private industry, that's undeniable. And it would be my preference that we have a government that's small enough
Starting point is 00:57:47 where they really don't have any influence federally, at the very least. If there are states that want to say, okay, you're going to operate in our state, these are the rules that you have to have to operate in our state. And then these companies can decide, I don't want to. And you saw that with Tesla leaving California, with Oracle leaving California. I think, you know, Joe Rogan, even though he's not a gigantic company, he left California. And you see people deciding, I don't like dealing with these, the regulations or whatever. I've moved multiple times because I didn't like what was going on in my state.
Starting point is 00:58:21 I grew up in Massachusetts. I didn't like it. I decided to move to New Hampshire. I have a place there. And so I think that when you can make your federal government, when you can actually have your federal government reined in and make it actually abide by the rules laid out in the Constitution, I don't think that the United States qualifies as fascist that way.
Starting point is 00:58:41 Especially if we could have some kind of miracle and and and have an amendment that clarifies the necessary and proper clause and clarifies the uh um the commerce clause so that way the government wasn't using that to basically bully every single industry that it just you know well not just the industry but people as well so i i don't think the united states is intended to be fascist i think the the are we kind of though a little bit like a fascist light it's because well i mean i'm wondering why are we there in the in the in the first half of the 20th century that was all the rage right before the nazis the before the horrors of what the nazis did came became public knowledge before everybody really knew, you know, Woodrow Wilson and the League of Nations and all of this stuff that
Starting point is 00:59:29 was going on after from World War One and after World War One, this was all the rage. And it was normal for people to think, well, the government should do this and the government should do that and et cetera, et cetera. That's when you get your FDRs and it's and they have all of these policies and all these things that the the government has built up so personally i'm the guy that wants to see the entire progressive agenda stripped away right and i go back to to the the way that the the government was in you know 1900 you know because i don't want to see a big government i want the smallest federal government that we can have the states are empowered fully to do all sorts of things and it it's even in the Bill of Rights.
Starting point is 01:00:06 The Tenth Amendment says, look, if it's not listed here, then the states have the power. The Constitution is very clear. It is just – Do you want to go back to our government when we were like the most racist and the most hegemonic? It's like everyone's always like – I want a libertarian. I want a government to get back to the point when we were all racist. Stop putting words in my mouth.
Starting point is 01:00:23 I'm joking. That's why I'm clarifying. Stop putting words in my mouth i'm saying i i know what you mean i'm you're talking about that without the other stuff but there is a lot of jokes about that it's like maybe we've thrown the baby out with the bath water right maybe in the terms of trying to become by trying to progress past some you know faux pas or some issues in our society we've we've sort of thrown out no because the the things that you're that people think of when it comes to like the the progress when it comes to like race stuff right so that's all in the 60s all the stuff that really made the united states go from being a small government country to a big government country that all happened long
Starting point is 01:01:00 before the 60s long before the civil rights and a lot of stuff. It was all stuff that actually did happen because of the Great Depression. And a lot of the things that we have now, they're vestiges of what was put in place to deal with what people would call excessive capitalism or the way that capitalism behaves without regulations. I think that's totally wrong, especially nowadays when you have the ability to communicate as fast as we do and with the type of technology that we have. I think that the reins that you put onto private companies, I think those are completely unnecessary and they're antiquated. They don't need to be – they could be revisited and taken away without any significant problem. If there was significant problem, word would get around so fast that companies wouldn't be – I mean you're not – if you roll if you got rid of child labor laws right you're not going to have like kids in coal mines again that's just not going to happen it's just period right it's not going to happen if you got rid of like you're
Starting point is 01:01:53 not going to have child labor it's called fortnight and uh subscription girl scout on their ipad they sit there and just yeah they're running for the company rolling in rolling in girl scout yeah but so so my my opinion is i think that the government should be the federal government should be as small as possible i don't think that we need a large government that that works in hand in hand with companies can i ask you how though because i i only i only bring a juxtaposition here is like because i'm actually i'm not trying to actually put words in your mouth you know me i just troll and toy a little bit but but i i mean this in like terms of we are a big government where a lot of people feel like we're either going to be communist or we're going to be fascist and like and i think a lot of the fascists are
Starting point is 01:02:29 more like christian nationalists you know well i'm saying look look and i and i i like your idea better so so like i do see everybody's ideas i'm like i'm standing on the outside i'm actually a dad so you know i have two kids people don't know and i think when you have kids it humbles the hell out of you because you know you have to think about how my decisions are going to affect their life right i know boomers are going to affect their life, right? I know boomers are currently toasting their champagne in their jacuzzi that they bought on after pay and kicked their kids out at 18 enjoying their life. But some of us want our kids to be successful. But I mean I look at my kids.
Starting point is 01:02:57 I want them to be successful, and I'm thinking, OK, am I scoring points with a Christian Crusader 1488 on Twitter? That's not what I'm trying to do. Am I trying to get a job at the Daily Wire? Ben, I apologize. I'll take it. No, I didn't know. I'm not. I already put on a beanie.
Starting point is 01:03:12 I'm ready. Come on, Ben. No, but I'm not. I'm just trying to be me with my family and figure out what's good for the country like we all are. We're clearly divided. We all have all these utopian ideas. But the truth is both of these sides that are pushing fascists and communists to me they got one thing right we do a pretty damn freaking big government that government is in control of of of the means of production and a lot of ways in
Starting point is 01:03:32 influencing it now where where is where does that go you want to nuke it and shrink it but like is that a reality like is there any way to nuke it without a full self implosion because it's like and i don't know i'm not a historian but i've looked at empires like the roman empire eventually it puttered out it broke into other empires but it's like you know are we being utopian phil are we just being boomers out of touch boomer utopian people we're just like i just want a small government while these young gen z's are all going communist they're either going full communist or full fascist what do they see that we don't see and why don't they believe we can shrink the government? What I think they see is they see the shortcomings of the liberal economic order. Right. But the thing that they don't understand is that the shortcomings of the liberal economic order are actually not as big of a deal when they're put into the context of what came before right so nowadays you've got all kinds of problems with like we
Starting point is 01:04:27 talk about the the cost of living the value of the dollars gone down the the way that the boomers behaved about you know essentially all of their their 401ks and kids can't buy homes kids can't afford all kinds of things and that's all real and that's the reality that they're that they're living in but they don't they don't they don't have an experience with the things that were before the boomers. They don't have the experience with like the Great Depression. They don't have the experience without having the ability to just have food delivered on their apps or all kinds of possible avenues to make revenue that the internet provides and stuff like that. So whereas I'm not saying that they're wrong, and I'm not saying that their struggles aren't real, I'm just saying that they are products of a time and a place, right? And you can't get outside of that context without experience. You can't just be like, you're 20 21 22 you know 19 20 21 22 and you're in the united states that's all you've ever known and you're not a bad person because
Starting point is 01:05:31 that's all you've ever known you're also you're not wrong that kids kids for the most part support these policies what the way these policies are framed is they're saying that trump didn't roll back dei he rolled back he rolled back protections for minority and marginalized groups. So by that nature, the whole point is that they're saying equal opportunity under the law, which is what it actually was before, which was beneficial to everyone, is now a bad thing. And they want to see the government, at least a lot of the young kids, the liberal kids, they like the idea that the federal government was willing to impose that because they feel that's a good thing. And that is a way towards communism, like you said. Elijah, I wanted to follow up on what you were talking about a couple of minutes
Starting point is 01:06:13 ago with fascism or fascism light that we're seeing in our upcoming generations. I want to ask, what do you think of the, I don't even necessarily mean this in a derogatory way, do you believe the current Trump administration is fascistic no i would say that the united states imperial system like it wouldn't matter who came into power the overall totality of the size of our government and our on our power across the world is so big that it's it corporate interests and government interests cannot be i've been unlinked i think this is a misreading of fascism i don't think i didn't say we are i said i said people say that we only have two directions to go. Like either we make it fascist to get control of it or we make it communist, but we're kind of like free-floating and it's a fight for who's going to control.
Starting point is 01:06:53 I think that's an argument that a communist or fascist would say that there's no other way that you have to go. You could either be a communist or you're a fascist. It's the split in the road. But I don't really believe – These kids are fascists. No, no, no. I think that extremist voices tend to be the loudest but aren't the majority at all. And these people could be an M online as much as they want, and I think they have different politics. But I don't think they're – as I understand, the fascistic tendencies is a complete consolidation of power in the government. I don't think we're as statist as you are implying.
Starting point is 01:07:24 I don't think Trump's nearly as militaristic as you need to be for a fascist he's not going to be a dictator he's not staying in power he's you have to be a dictator to have a to have a fascistic i don't even think he has consolidated power so i think it's like a it's like a leftist reading almost of what i just want i just want to i want to point out that that the way that you not to not to stomp on what you're saying but the questions that that uh elijah was asking i didn't get the vibe that he was saying that Trump was going to be a fascist dictator. I do feel like it was coming from a place of like, look, this is the way young people kind of view things. And he was looking for someone's opinion. I'm just worried about – I'm worried about some of this stuff because I'm worried that we're becoming like around this table just as out of touch when we make boomer memes and it's like you know they're like hey you want to get a job just shake his hand
Starting point is 01:08:09 firmly and then get yourself up by your bootstrap even when they're like go on LinkedIn you're like you just got to know someone now that's all it is you got to know someone and you got to be in the right place tell my kid you want to work in politics go to political conferences that's what you got to look that's that's honestly, that's incredibly good advice, though, because whether you're talking about now or you're talking about 50 years ago or 100 years ago, like, I mean, I don't know how many people out there have? It really is. But the point that it gets across is the most important part of getting a good job is who you know. So if you're sitting at home and you're on your computer all the time and you don't actually interact with anybody except from like an anonymous account on Twitter, like that doesn't help any. If you go on on X and all and you look at like people that tend to be on X a lot. One of the things that people say is meet your mutuals, go and try to meet your mutuals, because when you actually make contact with other people, then you are going to be in a better position to get opportunities. And that there's also a
Starting point is 01:09:23 phrase that you hear all the time like 90 of the of the problem or 90 of of what you need to do is just show up right if you go out and you get out into the world physically and you go do things with people and you're around people opportunities are far more likely to come up to arise than if you spend time at home. So, and again, this is not me saying that it's not hard for Gen Z or Gen Alpha or whatever. I'm not poo-pooing any of the struggles they say. But the culture today and the things that the incentives, the way that society is now, kids are not incentivized to go out into the world and do things with real people. And the more you get out and interact with real
Starting point is 01:10:05 people doing real world things the more opportunities are going to present themselves and even if that means that you go and you meet your your ex mutuals go meet the people that you hang out with on discord if you can go and and and do you know do never meet your discord it's like meet your meet your online friends it's such a weird thing to hear because it's never something i went through it's never like oh let me meet my buddies from twitter or or my boy on the discord server it was just such a foreign weird thing yes i i understand but like i mean what did you did you get your job here by sending an email or did you know someone i knew somebody you got your job from sending an email okay well you you knew someone i was just i got i sent an email said hey i know someone there i did send an email and it went unanswered i sent multiple emails listen the
Starting point is 01:10:48 reason the reason the reason that i got a record deal is because i knew someone right i'm in a band and are talented and thank you very much yeah yeah okay no and honestly honestly when it comes to that like our first record was garbage and no one cared i literally learned how to write songs to it well because i called up adam d from kill switch and engage and said dude i can write riffs all day i can't put a song together will you produce our next record he said yes i went there we put out a record called this this dark and heart and then i said okay this one's doing okay this seems to be helping my buddy scott lee who put on the New England Metal and Hardcore Fest for almost 20 years. He was a great friend of mine.
Starting point is 01:11:29 We got to play those shows because I was good friends with Scott. Then we went back into the studio with Adam D, and we did the Fall of Ideals. When the Fall of Ideals came out, that's what really opened it up for us. But that was because I knew people. And I appreciate that, you know, I appreciate anyone that loves the music that All That Remains has made, but I showed people. And I appreciate that, you know, I appreciate anyone that loves the music that All That Remains has made,
Starting point is 01:11:46 but I showed up. I was at shows every weekend, whether my band was playing or not. There's something that you hear all the time when you're in the scene. Support the scene. Go to shows. If there's local bands playing,
Starting point is 01:11:57 go watch the local bands. Part of that is showing up. So as much as, again, I don't want to sound like I'm knocking kids today because it's a totally different world and I'm not a kid. But I'm 10. Growing-ass men. I hate that.
Starting point is 01:12:09 They're like, well, we think our kids are like, you meet them and they're like, oh, you're 21? Look, you're a kid. Okay, compared to me. Like, I should have my cane. This guy's a father of two children over here. He is. Brad Palumbo that I guess I was born in 1980. He's a youngin' too.
Starting point is 01:12:23 And I was like, damn, bro. That's crazy. That hurts. That didn't hurt. I'm still like i said i just i want to point out i just i want to drive this home like get out and do things and meet people because the the world is about showing up it's no so like one of the things that i probably would say out of everything that i've done here is that i've never really taken the time. Like a lot of very important people come through this company and I just never bothered. Like, unless it was a day when I was on the show, uh, love it, love the job, love a lot of the people, but didn't take the time to be
Starting point is 01:12:55 like, Hey, my name's Brett. How's it going? And it's, that's just me. I'm more introverted. That's just the way I am. But it is a shortcoming on my own point. Cause you're, you're losing a lot of opportunities to put faces to names, to interact with people. And I am the person where literally this job, like Tim just sent me a message. So it wasn't knowing. It was the opposite. Hey, you up, baby? Yeah. It's like- Like 2 a.m. Slid into my DMs. But that's the point, right? But that's the rare exception of that happening.
Starting point is 01:13:20 Most of the time, the best opportunities come because you're like, look, okay, I need a job. And then you have friends who work in that sphere who you can call and say look is anybody hiring do you know anybody's looking to put things together it is not to be understated how important that is all right so we're going to go ahead and go on to the next story uh and we can dunk on gavin newsom a little bit uh cnn is reporting newsom and trump face off from a distance as Los Angeles fires burn. Donald Trump has been giving Newsom the old Donald Trump at two in the morning tweeting treatment. And it's been pretty glorious. CNN is reporting advisers to California Governor Gavin Newsom spent the week monitoring new White House advanced staffer social media accounts.
Starting point is 01:14:04 See, he's just sending the mean tweets and changing the world. spent the week monitoring new White House advanced staffer social media accounts. See, he's just sending the mean tweets and changing the world, hoping for clues for where President Donald Trump might be headed when he lands in Los Angeles on Friday afternoon to talk about the wildfire damage. That's the state of relations as California and the federal government face one of the most expensive natural disasters ever and perhaps one of the most complex in American history. No one is talking between the Democratic governor's team and the newly inaugurated president. Two people on the governor's team told CNN through a spokesman for the governor told CNN on Friday
Starting point is 01:14:35 that he will head to the airport to greet Air Force One. Now, apparently he did meet the president. Gavin Newsom did meet the president and he was received fairly well. If I understand correctly, they they shook hands and they talked a little bit. Donald Trump has floated the idea of withholding aid based on, I believe, two conditions, one of them being voter I.D. in California, which it's an odd thing to connect to wildfire or to emergency relief, but I don't hate the idea of having California
Starting point is 01:15:13 actually have to do voter ID. And what was the other one? I mean, I'm actually surprised at this one. This is pretty crazy. What? Just like stipulating giving out aid during a crisis. Sounds like a California conservative over here. It just seems pretty crazy. here i mean obviously it's my home you know i'm from la so it's like i mean things are pretty rough over there right now i'm gonna strongly agree with you and moreover
Starting point is 01:15:34 it's not only i think um bad like morally for what the government should be doing there i think it's just really poor politics people forget that california is one of the biggest states that has the most republicans in it and uh to win House, you need a lot of those seats. So there was actually one new rep from a Republican rep from California, Young Kim, who said playing politics with people's livelihoods is unacceptable and a slap in the face of the Southern California wildfire victims. With a tight majority in the House, many seats were picked up in California, and this is not going to help them out with Republicans trying to stipulate aid so um i think it's that optics a bad move uh politically because you know they're going to lose some seats in a couple it can't it can't be
Starting point is 01:16:14 like and i think this is where we need to draw the line like people obviously i i used to play a little more not intentionally to to my side just because i hadn't explored the the political spectrum so much right it's like we're all on the spectrum. But, you know, to some extent. And I think, you know, looking at it left and right is problematic. You kind of have to take individual issues and look at first what's humane. And I think that's a very, very increasingly rare thing. People just look at, you know, oh, in North Carolina, Republicans suffer. Who cares? I watched a tick tock of a girl saying that she's like, I don't know if you other liberals understand that Republicans enjoy that Los Angeles burned down because, you know, we were all enjoyed when North Carolina got destroyed.
Starting point is 01:16:52 And I'm like, no, you sick witch. Like, no, no, we didn't. We're not happy now. We weren't happy then. And quite frankly, there are plenty of right leaning people that probably suffered in the L.A. fires and vice versa in North Carolina. So do not tell me that, you know, this is a this is a political political storm, right? This isn't Q we're not going into the storm here. Okay. But, but I, I do think I understand Trump trying to play hardball with the state and with
Starting point is 01:17:15 a governor. And I'm not opposed to some alternative or interesting or unheard of tactics when you're playing hardball like this however in terms of withholding federal taxpayer payer dollars i think if you went back to finding out what the american people would want i do not believe that the average american taxpayer would want to withhold their money from emergency relief in an area based upon political grandstanding i just and i'm very pro trump i do not i do not think an average American taxpayer would agree with that. I think this is owning the libs running amok a bit. Hey, you want some financial aid? F you.
Starting point is 01:17:51 Get voter ID laws. And what was the other stipulation? I don't remember what the other one was, and I can't find it here. It was just like— Sorry about that. Owning the libs run amok, I think is what's going on here. By the way, I want to say this too pacific palisades is not like uh you know uh seventh street in downtown la or like near skid row pacific palisades is nicer than any
Starting point is 01:18:13 city you live in in your red state pacific palisades is like one of the if you're like for instance like wide areas and stuff this is a very wide area and very very clean and very rich and this is like the idealistic area of what an America can look like. Oh, and the second one was to release the water, which actually – so I think that that one actually ties into the issue with the fires and stuff. The fact that the water situation in California is difficult to manage or whatever. And I don't know – Save the fish. Yeah. or whatever and i don't know say the fish yeah i mean that's essentially that's what that as far
Starting point is 01:18:46 as i know the situation is there is a uh smelt in a bay up in northern california and because of the way that the water is flowing and the way that they have the dam set up it pushes the fresh water out into further out into the the san francisco bay and so the the brackish water doesn't come so far in making it okay making the habitat suitable for the smelt if they allow the water to flow south into southern california then the brackish water would actually move further into the bay explaining a woman's mind here it's just like what i mean i can do that too upstream and downstream and smelt fish i'm like it sounds like a mess but it well i mean it seems like a mess but the point that i'm making is this little fish is is alleged to be the reason why southern california has problems with water
Starting point is 01:19:38 and i think that if that is the case like if the if the situation is that hey we're the environmentalists are actually the reason why cal why California doesn't have water to fight fires in Southern California, one of the most densely populated regions in the United States and clearly, you know, needs water badly because of the winds and because of the other mismanagement of the force and stuff then i think that it's okay to say look this needs to happen if you're going to come to the united to the federal government and say we need you to fund it then the federal government should be able to say you need to do these things to fix the problem now the voter the voter id hold on hold on the voter id might be a step too far but the the situation of like you need to make sure that you don't need to come to us again for the same problem that i think might actually have have some merit yeah i agree it could be like a state and federal government thing and uh the only reason i think this is going to be it's going to set a bad precedent there will be a democratic president in the future and there will be a
Starting point is 01:20:36 natural disaster in a red leaning area when that happens and you'd hate for them to have a dumb reason that they say that you guys need to accept or we won't release more aids so um that's or maybe i'm thinking too too in depth about it own the libs all you want there's but there's already strings attached to all sorts of things from the federal government the reason that that you have the drinking age 21 is because the feds say we won't give you any any money for your roads that's different than a natural disaster i don't know but it's still it's still string there was people saying that what Trump did in this case was an impeachable offense. And they were like, obviously, you don't understand how these things go together. He's going to get impeached over something stupid at least one more time in the second term.
Starting point is 01:21:14 I really after the midterms, the Republicans lose the House. I really hope not. Not because not because I think that that they'll actually have any kind of significant real issue that they're going to bring up. But because of the fact that he did have a clear victory in a popular vote and with the with the electoral college. So I can't imagine any kind of positive outcome of trying to impeach Donald Trump again. So, no. And also reminding you guys, California is also kind of a unique place because sort of like Chicago, it's run like a mob. I was really happy when Tucker touched on this. You know, the fact that Maxine Waters doesn't even have to live in her district. You know, her supporters tried to kill me.
Starting point is 01:21:52 You can watch this on YouTube. They tried to kill me to get rescued. I had to jump into a stranger's car in a red light to get away from them while trying to interview them in front of her office. Maxine Waters. Oh, yeah. Well, Maxine Waters. She's garbage. She's anti-Maxine, who looks like she's gotten too many vaccines.
Starting point is 01:22:06 She's like, wah. She's like a melted wax candle. Melted wax scene. No, but she's out there. Now, she lives in a mansion outside of her district. And I think Tucker touched on this where he said directly, he goes, it's quite hilarious because there's no place that you can really point to with so much corruption where people can be so disliked by the populace, not only retain power but rise to prominence.
Starting point is 01:22:29 Like when I went and covered Kamala Harris during the original run for the primaries for the Democratic ticket, she couldn't fill half of a high school gymnasium. I have this on video. She couldn't fill half of a high school gymnasium. She became the vice president. She ascended from attorney general. She became whatever senator. We have the same thing going on with many people, including maxine waters nancy pelosi shift right i mean the list goes on so that state is something to keep an eye on and sometimes i do wonder if at very much if and only if uh you know maxine waters and some of
Starting point is 01:22:59 these people we should keep an eye and realize that trump might be playing long-term political strategy to break up a cartel right you don't don't know. I mean, I think that Maxine Waters is among the worst in in the in the. Would you or would you not? Oh, of course not. Like I said, she looks at a total of 49. even if the last vote is, yeah, it is. Now they need it. So it's 50-50, and they'll need the tiebreaker, which will be J.D. Vance. So it looks like, you know, barring anything weird going on,
Starting point is 01:23:58 it looks like Pete Hegseth will be the sec def. I think it was Susan Collins of Mainz and Murkowski of Alaska. I hate these people. The thing is, though, they're in purple districts and whatever. We can avoid the politics. What I think is interesting, though, is that there are whispers that Mitch McConnell was thinking about, you know, backstabbing Donald Trump. Usually I have, you know, surprisingly good things to say about Mitch McConnell. But I'm surprised and happily surprised that he decided to go with Pete Hexeth and not ruin this nomination. I do think that
Starting point is 01:24:27 this is going to be the situation with multiple people. I wouldn't be surprised if you see this with RFK. I wouldn't be surprised if you see this with Tulsi Gabbard. I wouldn't be surprised if you see this kind of result with Cash Fatalities. Why do our people flip on us?
Starting point is 01:24:44 You know, I mean, I know the answer to of their their constituency no i okay that's that's like the simple answer i mean i mean i mean i mean why is you know who i mean why is it but why is it that they do not that that the dems typically do not flip on themselves at an extent but they do you just need to look for those examples they do all the time but every time you'll always see these same people so for example the joe mansion in west virginia here um when it's an independent john fetterman of pennsylvania if you ask any democrats about these guys they despise them yeah and also it exists but we just exist and also i think that marco rubio like got confirmed by like 99 well he was a former senator too so it helps once your buddies with all true the senators. True, true. But still, it's like – so, I mean, whereas I understand the impulse that you're feeling because, honestly, Murkowski and Collins really are frustrating.
Starting point is 01:25:31 But it's not really a situation where, like, it doesn't happen to the Democrats or whatever. I think of Joe Manchin as, like, the strongest example of that. Yeah, and there are others. What do you think of the argument that – Didn't he flip parties technically, though? Or didn't he technically, like, not vote along with the democrats some of this stuff like it was what's i'm saying a lot of a lot of conservatives will hold up joe manchin as somebody who votes on principle because his you know his constituency is purple so he's somebody who votes in favor of the interests of
Starting point is 01:25:57 his the people that he represents as opposed to just voting on party lines is this what we're doing because trump did wear a purple tie to the inauguration. I thought that was about some type of claim to royalty. I don't know. Look, okay, so Pete Haxett, then he's going to be confirmed. Allegedly. Yeah, I mean, I don't know. There's no one else yet left to vote, and
Starting point is 01:26:17 J.D. Vance will cast the last vote in case of a tie. I don't know if he's actually there in Washington to cast the vote. He should be, I think, last vote in in case of a tie i don't know if he's actually like there in in washington to cast the vote he should be i think right he was at the march for life today right oh yeah so he's there so he's uh yeah jd vance as the tie-breaking vote so he's probably going in he's going to cast the vote on his way this is why by the way elections matter and i want to remind you guys to you holier than thou people who told me and a lot of people that you had problems with Trump and that you weren't going to vote for him because things wouldn't be different.
Starting point is 01:26:49 Well, let's start keeping a tally here tonight. Things would be different. You write literally right here when we're talking about this, not saying that Pete Hagseth would have been appointed, but saying, look, you see J.D. Vance is coming to break a tie right now. The immediate Trump administration, not only who they are confirming, but also having to actually vote to the split in the Senate. So let's say that we had a split in the Senate again, regardless, you know, we have the same outcome right now. And who would be deciding what would be happening right now? It would be who's in power. So they would be getting who they wanted and it would be at their own command. So right now it's like, look, I'm very happy Trump's in office. And to the morons who have all points today, we're like, you know, I didn't vote for Trump because he's not pro-life enough. Look, I don't like IVF myself. I think it's an abhorrent barbaric
Starting point is 01:27:30 practice. Um, I do not like, uh, abortion. Uh, I didn't, I don't think anyone here loves it. I think people that even support it or believe it should be legal. Don't like it. I hope you don't like it. Um, even if you support it, but at the same time, you know, Trump releasing in pardoning the, the, the people persecuted for standing in front of the abortion clinics you know you've always been very pro-life also in the activism at the at the marches supporting the activists in their place the supreme court picks overturning roe v wade i mean what we're seeing here is is an absolute overhaul of the direction of the united states government and it is going towards the right wing and again it's never going to be as much but i just want to remind people because i know phil
Starting point is 01:28:04 you know a lot of people too a lot of people my camp your camp different camps were just like they had their dumb reasons why it's like i'm not voting for my favorite one was i'm not voting for trump because there's gonna let more uh indians into office meanwhile the other option was an indian woman so that was like that never made sense to me he's gonna let more legal we don't want an indians in the country okay here's an indian woman a lot of people have been surprised at how fast he hit the ground running. Do you think part of that is because he's probably expecting to be impeached at some point? Well, no, because look, the fact of the matter is he's only got 18 months to get anything done
Starting point is 01:28:35 because after 18 months, then people start running for re-election and stuff. Midterms. Midterms. People start paying attention to midterms and stuff. So he has to get as much done as he can he's probably only going to get if i understand correctly there's probably two bills they're going to get there's going to be a an omnibus bill where you're going to shove everything in and we were we talked about this the the other day um and tim was like yo they should they should not do this and not do that and not do this and it's like look man
Starting point is 01:29:02 he's only going to get a couple options or a couple chances to do anything. So you are going to have to make deals because we don't have a made huge majority. So if you want things, you're going to have to get a you're going to get a bill that has a bunch of garbage in it. So everybody like write this down in your calendar. Now, when the next bill comes up for an actual vote, it's going to have a bunch of shit you don't want. It's going to have tons of stuff that you don't want. It's going to be full to the brim of stuff that you don't want. But if it has the stuff that you do want, you have to accept that. Because otherwise, you don't get anything.
Starting point is 01:29:40 And fair enough if you're like, well, then let's not do anything. If that's your take, then fine. But if you want to get things done, if you want to actually save America, if you want to shrink the government, you want to actually make changes, you're going to have to – you have to understand. You're going to have to deal with the fact that we don't have the kind of majority where you can just shove through whatever you want. You ever been married? You know what I mean? I'm just saying. It's like get married
Starting point is 01:30:05 and you'll find out, you know, you have to make compromises, both of you guys. I do think, by the way, I'm going to say that real fast to the people that do lean more extreme. I think we've been playing to a lot of that out there. And I know no one will ever like people taking a centrist position and I'm not one. However, I will much rather take Trump's centrist vision
Starting point is 01:30:23 for the country that's pro-nationalist than whatever Kamala and Joe Biden, the deep state we're bringing to the table. I don't know if I'm alone on that, but it's like it is not a right wing nationalist dream. But at the same time, I mean, when you talk about the better of two evils are definitely getting good stuff done. I think Trump is proving himself up front and proving people who said don't vote for Trump sort of to be look a little silly. That's my personal opinion. And some of them are my friends. my friends but you know he's doing a pretty damn good job and if you if your whole life is well he could be doing better he could be doing better then what the hell are you dude are you buff are you perfect do you have everything you want no that's the the typical that's one of the things that that makes me loathe even calling myself a libertarian at all
Starting point is 01:31:00 is because the libertarians are just notorious for like making the perfect well they're they make the perfect the enemy of the good helping the left stop it they make the the perfect stop stop it if they make the perfect the enemy of the good they start they say well i'm not getting everything i want so then i'm just gonna go ahead and tear it all down that's just a massive problem both prediction on how the votes will go on this huge omnibus bill it'll be down party lines and then uh with thomas massey voting abstaining or voting against yeah which is fine the same thing as the speaker race um so no goodies for him i guess so he never wants he doesn't want goodies anyways look the the only thing that i want his district should want goodies sounds like he's not representing them very well uh he i mean he keeps getting re-elected so they can't want many goodies
Starting point is 01:31:41 so does maxine waters oh yeah she'll, she'll get elected when she's dead. I don't know. I'm feeling pretty optimistic. She's that popular. Wow. No, but honestly, she is very popular. She's like Nancy Pelosi. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:31:56 See, if it's blue enough, it doesn't matter. They'll just vote for you because the party line says so. Well, I think it's deeper than that. I think, yeah, I mean, look, I'm not going to get into it because YouTube doesn't like that stuff. Plus, it's super chat time. Yeah. Well, is it super chat deeper than that. I think, yeah, I mean, look, I'm not going to get into it because, you know, YouTube doesn't like that stuff. Plus, it's super chat time. Yeah. Well, is it super chat time?
Starting point is 01:32:09 Yes, it is. Oh, he's like, let's get to this, please. All right, I guess we can do some super chats. Let's see here. You did good, Phil. You did really good. You did? No, you did.
Starting point is 01:32:20 Oh, thank you very much. Yes, I did. In chat, did you guys have a good night tonight with Phil? No, I did. I mean, it felt like a different show, right?
Starting point is 01:32:29 It wasn't, it's like a band, right? You can get a new lead singer. Just change your band name. It doesn't mean you're not good in the new band. Get it. Change your band name.
Starting point is 01:32:36 Cause you're a new band. That's my opinion, but it's like, it is a different show, but I would say this. Um, you should get into podcasting. I'm kidding on you.
Starting point is 01:32:42 I know you're still here while you still have the beanie on it feels like he's still here uh phil you're doing really good tonight but uh who is that who's that he speaks really fast he's like i thought that's like a shapiro obama mix i they're all morphing into one it's a shapiro pool you know shapool it's uh it's one giant uh uh kabog someone said in the in the chat like you haven't even called out the Jewish control of the entire world. So there you go. There it is. I called Elon out before the show.
Starting point is 01:33:11 Why do you think we didn't call it out? They're in control. We couldn't call it out. I called out Elon. I said to poor Elon, what do you think I said? You exposed the Jews on IRL. All right. All right.
Starting point is 01:33:22 All right. So we'll do some truth. Hi, on Shabbat. What are we getting here? Give you my heart. You we'll do some truth to truth. On Shabbat! Give you my heart. We'll start with Shane H. Wilder here. Shane H. Wilder says, after hearing about the Asinine West Virginia regulations, I came up with this.
Starting point is 01:33:36 Take me home, corporate roads, because it's clear I don't belong. West Virginia, I don't want you. Take me home, corporate roads. Cheers to that one. that's a good one I do want to mention that Morris No, no, go ahead That Morris, when he was campaigning for West Virginia
Starting point is 01:33:52 We were at an Olive Garden Of all places, I told you guys this beforehand And he came in and was just Interrupting people's dinner to talk about Politics to them, if there was anything that would make me Not vote for you It's to interrupt when I'm eating so that I can talk about your crappy policy.
Starting point is 01:34:08 Isn't there something so average, Joe, about meeting voters in the Olive Garden? No. I don't know how things are in West Virginia, but it's very down to earth. Hey, I'm a regular guy. I go to Olive Garden. You go to Olive Garden. I did appreciate when he was like... I get the breadsticks. It's like the Taco Bell of
Starting point is 01:34:23 Italian. But by the way, Danny would talk shit on Olive Garden. It is pretty good. No, the breadsticks and the Alfredo sauce together, I was too poor to afford Alfredo sauce when we could afford. Olive Garden thought we were rich. I grew up thinking that was what rich people ate.
Starting point is 01:34:38 Maybe it's my bias, but those breadsticks and that salad, nothing hits like the breadsticks and salad. I will take no Olive Garden slander here tonight. I'm just there's nothing hits the salad is colder than most look if it's unlimited if it's unlimited anything it's for me i don't know what to tell you i disagree uh let's see um barrett 1313 says dei will be rebranded eoed eoe equal opportunity employment department E-O-E-D, E-E-O-E, Equal Opportunity Employment Department, commies always play word games. And that is true. That is an actual true statement.
Starting point is 01:35:10 Communists are always playing word games. Nothing is really – it's all the same stuff. It's all Marxist power dynamics, whether it be proletariat versus the property owners or black versus white or whatever. It's always – Critical race theory. Then we got to DEI. versus the property owners or black versus white or whatever that's you know it's all critical race theory then we got to dei even now when people when you guys are talking about fascism you're like okay let's settle on a definition first because all of the definitions for all of these terms have been adjusted so much over the last few years that you don't even know what it means i don't think we ever got a definition so it's hard to define these stuff when part of the reason
Starting point is 01:35:43 part of the reason why why the communists play word games is because they don't realize it, but they're all descendants of Hegel. And Hegel said, look, history uses people and casts them aside. Hegel doesn't care about the person, and he never cared about who was saying what. And honestly, what was being said isn't the important part. It's the ideas behind it. So if it was Mark saying it or whether it was Herbert Marcuse saying it or whether it be, you know, Angela Davis saying it or whatever, it doesn't matter who's carrying the message. And it doesn't matter if the power dynamic that is being presented to you is the rich versus the poor or black versus white. The point is the revolution. It is always the revolution.
Starting point is 01:36:23 It is never anything other than the revolution the the issue is never the issue the issue is always the revolution so that's why they can tell you that you can be racist but somebody of another skin color cannot yeah yeah and i like to say we're all racist it's uh it's just how how much you are how much you aren't but i mean that's actually the truth though i mean literally everybody is a little bit recognizing today no i'm saying everybody recognizes today that there are differences and when they define racism as any recognition of any race or any differences that makes you racist then they're able to control the terms because now they've made a negative
Starting point is 01:36:55 connotation and they can weaponize that against who they want it doesn't matter because they also redefine it and say if you don't recognize the difference between correct you have to be anti racist yeah you have to you we're all racist that's what i'm saying they say that so then you have to be anti-racist because it's in your heart it's it's on what's it called uh unrealized or or or your uh internalized internalized racism but this is this is this is more this is the the dynamic you're talking about is just an example of the fact that it doesn't matter who's being called racist or actually what you're what is being said. The idea is there is a problem and I must be in control to change this situation. It's about the revolution. It's not about the real problem.
Starting point is 01:37:33 It's not about who has money and property and who doesn't. It's not about who is in control. It's about the people that are that are saying you're racist or you're a pro. You're you're a property owner. You're bourgeoisie. So you're evil. Those people are using this dynamic to assault the people that have what they want. And they will continue to do that until they get power over whatever it is they're looking for. It's the same reason you see so many of them in charities and NGOs, because they understand that if they solve the problem of their organization,
Starting point is 01:38:02 they are inherently going to go out of business. Same mindset. Rest in peace, George Floyd revolution. That was what we heard. Well, it's revolution, you know? That's the important part. So let's see here. Autumn Fire, is that the one you're looking at there, Serge?
Starting point is 01:38:15 Autumn Fire says, The left is going to bitch and moan and sue and call everyone a Nazi for the next four years, just like last time. Correct. We cannot let that distract from the movement like they did last time this is true um and i do think that the the positive thing about the situation now is that the the modern american has kind of grown tired of being called names for being pro-america being
Starting point is 01:38:43 called names for being like well i don't feel bad about my skin color i don't feel like i should be you know treated badly just because of the way that i was born uh i think people are sick and tired of hearing nazi i think everyone if you look at the way that people behaved about the whole you know um elon musk sending his heart out uh they very quickly people were like normies on the right right people that that five seven years ago would have been like oh they'd have been clutching their pearls oh my god how could he do that they're like look this is the same stuff they've been saying forever and and to to their credit these are the people that finally got around to to
Starting point is 01:39:22 looking at the original tape of the very fine people hoax. And they said, oh, they do lie about whether or not someone is a Nazi when they're calling people Nazi. Like the whole very fine people hoax has probably been the best inoculation against the left's tactics that probably you could you could find. You know, can I give a quick conspiratorial? No, no, no. Canceled. Actually, I was like, so seriously. you could find you know can i give a quick conspiratorial nope stuff no canceled actually i was like so uh seriously let it let it go that's ice it's coming to get you buddy importation's coming go ahead the conspiratorial take on the elon musk stuff is that this guy's way too smart to not know what he was doing but he knew he'd have the plausible deniability of it
Starting point is 01:40:02 and elon musk loves the media. So he was baiting this, knowing that a lot of the leftist media would come out against him and that he'd have a bunch of people on the right defending him. He wanted the attention during the, it was right after the Trump inauguration. It was a perfect time to make him the news cycle.
Starting point is 01:40:17 And I think Elon Musk, again and again, proven himself to be a savvy media actor. And he's very trollish. And I don't think he's beyond doing something like this to bait people into getting such a big reaction that honestly may even if you're right i don't care because at the end of the day i don't believe that elon musk is actually a nazi like there's no part of me that believes he's he's you know a national it helped make him it helped make his name the biggest name in the news cycle for a day or two and people need to understand how valuable that is fair enough but but again creating the paper trail so they
Starting point is 01:40:48 build the case that's what it is man it's it's building the google search it's like the ranking of the people it's like i i articles start to build believe i don't believe that musk is actually enough no no i'm talking about why the media does it it's like it's like because what it is is like it's like um you'll notice this right i used to work with glenn beck and uh and like he would say he'd have somebody on his show who would say something conspiratorial and then the next day an article would mention something true he said but to counter him it would say um uh glenn beck who recently hosted a virulent conspiracy theorist said and so it's creating this ranking sort of like seo human credit score that they bring onto people that they can use their own articles as their own source to back up their it's like their own
Starting point is 01:41:28 points it's like using using wikipedia but you wrote your own entry to support your own historical point and that's why they do this it's like it's a circle jerk where they feel like they're justified in the world view because i'm from new york times but someone from abc said that you're a nazi and so i can quote abc but it's like what world are you living in because that that, that, that was also you under a different pen name. So it's, you know, I'm talking about the media. They just use it as a way to, to, to justify their bullshit circle jerk worldview. And I think the rest of us that are sort of opting out of it are taking it for granted because, you know, countries like the United Kingdom, Australia, New Zealand, they're still stuck on the mainstream media circle jerk. We are sort of out of it. Someone says that Joe Rogan's a Nazi.
Starting point is 01:42:07 It's like, we're way past that. But right now, still in Australia, if you were on Joe Rogan as a politician, you could get disqualified because you're on a Nazi podcast. I think the true circle jerk is the circular reporting. ABC reports, New York Times sources them, Reuters sources the New York Times. Death by hyperlink. So yeah, we're just going in circles with an outlandish claim and then it gets cycled through and next thing you know it's on Wikipedia
Starting point is 01:42:29 being accepted as truth. I feel like it gets onto Wikipedia very early because that place is run by crazy leftists. I heard on TimCastNews that he was not a Nazi, so that's my source. Yeah, you know, I think you're right. I think it's the same thing. Well, the problem that I find with all that now is everybody just dismisses everybody
Starting point is 01:42:45 else's news sources anyways so the best thing you can do is to find an old an argument that can be bolstered through their own news sources otherwise they're going to look at anything you say well that site isn't credible so it doesn't matter i agree totally uh let's see here what do we got what do we got what do we got it's jonathan almer says as an aussie i hate the talk that finland should be neutral no i don't trust china i want us in line with the u.s not told to play nice with both i'm not sure what the hell he's talking about how's it man i want women to have free tampons i don't know what that means i like that's confusing man uh young i don't know what that means. That's confusing, man. Young P. Chan says, Elijah, I love you. My nibba always grower gang for life.
Starting point is 01:43:30 What is he saying? Okay. It's the fact that, look, life is not about what you're showing. Even if you're growing, as long as you are able to show when it's needed. So we're the grower gang because we are able to show up when we're called upon, even we're unimpressive the rest of the rest of the time i'll leave they'll leave the words to be that's my favorite super chat so far tonight we're getting we have stickers too free you really have stickers it's grower gang helping you grow into a stronger person in every place from your heart to to your yeah anyways anyways anyways uh. Delmar says the other entries into NATO is simple.
Starting point is 01:44:07 They want the massive warehouse of American preposition hardware, tanks, helos, arty, etc. With minimum personnel for upkeep. America flies in the troops and the tanks roll within 12 to 48 hours of an invasion. I mean, I think that there might be some truth to that, but stop it, Serge. Everybody, you guys should see the garbage that I have to put up with when I'm filling. He's naked and we're all, we're uncomfortable.
Starting point is 01:44:35 Off camera. I think that there might be some truth to that, but at the same time, the United States is really, really good at, the military is really good at logistics, right? Like, if you really piss the United States off, there will be a Burger King in
Starting point is 01:44:50 your country within 36 hours. Like they're going to have a pizza hut. That's great. I know it is crazy. It's very true. Yeah, Olive Garden and there will be a ski ball playing Chuck Cheese. There'll be a mobile Chuckie Cheese. The kids will be there, you know, it's like crazy stuff. stuff no joke so i i do i understand what you're saying
Starting point is 01:45:09 but at the same time if i do think that the u.s's ability to move massive amounts of military hardware and logistics uh if there's anything that the u.s is good at it's that stuff along with blowing up bad guys we're not bad look we're actually not bad at war even when we lose wars we're never actually losing no because the point is to keep the wars going so it's like as long as they as long as we're continuing the buying of of arms we've never lost because our goal is as long as we're as long as those companies are funded our military stays armed and bolster our economy keeps growing so i think we've won every war we have every the united states is absolutely is without question the best at war we're terrible at politics we do all of the
Starting point is 01:45:53 engagement actual fighting part all of the getting the military out to places in the most remote spots on earth we do all that better than any society or any country in all of human history the thing we can't do is figure out how to end a war and figure out how to have actual rules of engagement that work we can do the blowing stuff up part awesome we're great at that figuring out how to actually transition from blowing stuff up to stopping who knows man like 16 year olds getting pregnant earlier they share common with the u.s government they don't know when to pull out and that's the problem it's like it is always an issue and we end up leaving a big mess yeah and uh i just gotta say it is funny
Starting point is 01:46:36 though and then when we pull out it is it is pretty disastrous uh but ultimately that's why everyone's like oh they left weaponry in afghanistan i'm like all according to plan so like we got this so i i think i i'm a little more sinister in that way i feel like the banks and the military and all this stuff we can't we are not losing all i want to say that to be like we keep we lost in afghanistan bullsh they're like what do you mean we were there for 20 years yeah we didn't lose we were anywhere near that sold that americans don't lose wars they lose interests yeah look i mean if anyone remembers the stated reasons why we went to Afghanistan, like for the first 12 years that were 10 years that we were in Afghanistan, the reason that we were there was to capture or kill Osama bin Laden. If we'd have left May 7th or whatever, I think I think they got him on.
Starting point is 01:47:21 No, the May 11th. They got him on or 2011 or something like that. If we'd have left the next morning, we could have walked out and said, mission accomplished, we did what we needed to do, and that would have been an actual war that the American people said, we went in, we did what we had to do, blah, blah, blah. Should have accomplished Bush on the aircraft carrier. That's exactly what, and it would have been legitimate.
Starting point is 01:47:41 It would have been legitimate. The Bush stuff was BS, but if they'd actually left after they went into Pakistan and found Osama bin Laden, if they had packed up and left, then the United States could say, look, we did what we came here to do. We got Osama bin Laden. Now the action is over. The military's operation is finished. So we got out of there. That would have been an acceptable situation to the American people. But whether it be poppies or CIA or whatever reason people want to go ahead and say we stayed in Afghanistan,
Starting point is 01:48:15 that is what happened and we stayed a decade or so longer than we should have. It's a million people and a couple trillion dollars later or whatever. It wasn't a million Americans. I said a million people and a couple trillion dollars later or whatever. I mean, you know, it wasn't not a million American. I said a million people. Mr. Raytheon is like, no, it did exactly what it was supposed to do. We spent millions and millions and billions of dollars. I think it was over. I think it was a couple trillion right over the life of the wars.
Starting point is 01:48:37 Like two or two to two trillion. Yeah. Just how we expected it to go. You know, it is. Let's see. Convincing reality said it's crazy let's not beat around the bush the political function of foreign aid is a bribe it secures influence compliance or support from recipient nations i think that that's actually a little too uh naive of a of a of a take
Starting point is 01:49:00 i don't think that he's wrong but i I think that it's too, too simple. Um, like I said, you know, that money goes back into the United when, at least when it comes to military funding, that money goes back into the United States and goes to, you know,
Starting point is 01:49:15 people that are working for Raytheon. That's the most sinister part about it, right? Is when people are talking about paring down on, you know, sending weapons overseas and that our money shouldn't be going there. Like, well,
Starting point is 01:49:24 it's going to American citizens and people like, yes, through your tax money that shouldn't need to be taken anyways. We just talked about this. There is no tax money that it's not your tax money. They just print up the money when they want to. So but anyways. But yes, your point is well taken. It is it is probably more nefarious that that's the situation you know so let's see some more super chats let's see here uh the emperor's champion says you fundamentally
Starting point is 01:49:55 misunderstand how screwed up california is if you don't have conditions to this aid will end up with the same problem year after year cal California is incapable of governing itself. I mean, do we need to comment on that? I mean, it is governing itself. It is governing itself the way it wants to govern itself, separate of the whole country. I just want people to say that's like, oh, they're not governing themselves.
Starting point is 01:50:19 No, that is a specific and strategic way to govern a location. And they're doing it independent of the government until they need the rest of the country's money, like now. And then they come to us for money. And then they win every time. They stay the same and they never change. It's all that remains.
Starting point is 01:50:33 So I was stupid. I like how you worked that in there. That was stupid. But that is. I'm just saying, just because you don't like it doesn't mean it isn't working for them. That's fair enough. Fair enough. Okay.
Starting point is 01:50:49 Let's see just because i'm free says the salt and brine that's left over from the desalinization can be sent up north and help create helped create ice just a thought water with high salt content has a colder freezing point i mean yeah but how does that help create ice you put put water surrounded by the brine solution. Can I make a fact? I'm sorry to interrupt. Can I make a fact check on something I said earlier? I was looking at updates from the Pete Hexeth confirmation, and McConnell did vote no. So that's what made it 50-50.
Starting point is 01:51:22 I mistakenly cited earlier that McConnell wasn't going to stab Trump in the back, and I was wrong. So he got back into his shell, his turtle shell. I was playing Mario Kart, and I threw him a McConnell. He's a turtle. He won the race, but what the hell is wrong with that guy? Can we just talk about physiognomy and how evil people look evil? That's crazy, man. I'm not into plastic surgery, but do a face talk,
Starting point is 01:51:45 you ugly hag. Like that's just. He's an 80 year old man. I don't think he needs to look like a handsome. He's a 640 year old demon. You know what I mean? Like I challenge you. He would actually somehow look more nefarious if he spent a bunch of money to look different. So I think Mitch McConnell was heavily involved. If it weren't for Mitch McConnell, then Neil Gorsuch wouldn't be on our Supreme Court right now so I think you do need to appreciate him for what he did accomplish while in office I think if you're just taking him for the negative
Starting point is 01:52:12 you're missing the nuance that goes on I think it's 50-50 I think he just did it I think that's what I'm reading but I don't know when I look on X I see people saying that he has been confirmed I don't know. Rumor. When I look on X, I see people saying that he has been confirmed. I don't know.
Starting point is 01:52:27 I don't know if J.D. has actually cast the vote. But ostensibly, the plan that you hear is, okay, 50-50, and so J.D. Vance can cast the record-breaking or the tie-breaking vote. Elijah, I wanted to ask, for all intents and purposes, isn't Pete Hexeth essentially a neocon, though, for what he stands on? Look, you're not going to like it. I'd say he's more of a Zionist than a neocon. I mean, one and the same the way you use them. How? All right, so just to go to even worse, so he's a Zionist.
Starting point is 01:52:55 Okay, so neocon. I don't think – I would say that Zionist and neocon interests are oftentimes aligned because they both want war and they both have expansionist ideas and that the neocons use Zionists because it helps meet their goal of endless war. But I don't think that the neocons would always need Zionists. And I don't, I think if the Zionists ever broke off from the neocons, they'd find a way, like I said, to expand NATO or something that has completely separate ideas. I think neocons are involved in so many other conflicts outside the Middle East. It's just that Israel's expansionism takes advantage of the neocons, I would say. Back to Hegseth.
Starting point is 01:53:26 Yeah. Do you think he's a good pick despite his Zionist credentials? Do I think that he's going to run the military? Well, I don't know we had any other option, and I think he does love our country, and he does love the boys and the girls there, and I do think that he will at least lead with a position of care. Again, his policy suggestions are the way that he decides to implement our military to follow orders from the commander in chief. I think he'll take those orders directly, and I don't really know how much he's going to be deciding where we go to war or what.
Starting point is 01:53:56 But if Trump decides we're going to go somewhere, if Congress brings it into law, do I think Pete's going to do a damn good job about getting our pizza huts and Burger King set up quickly and our defense lines? Yes. Does that answer your question? Yeah, and I think Pete Hegseth was a great pick for Donald Trump to make. Yeah, I mean, I love his – weren't they mad? Didn't they already call him a Nazi tattoo guy too? Everybody. I think they did sexual assault with him.
Starting point is 01:54:19 Well, they did both. Yeah, yeah. The Jerusalem cross is a Nazi symbol even though it looks nothing like any Nazi symbol. And it is not a Nazi symbol when it's on the floor of the church that Jimmy Carter was presented in when people came to pay their respects to Jimmy Carter. That Jerusalem cross is on the floor. And apparently that makes it not When it's on your chest It makes it Nazi
Starting point is 01:54:48 When it's on the ground it's not We just amalgamate them together Being like Pete Haxeth sexually assaulted Elon Musk's Sig Heil Using his Nazi cross tattoo That's a good headline right Sounds like you're doing ad libs I just quoted everybody
Starting point is 01:55:04 True Trucker Joe, True Trucker Joe says, I've sent emails and super chats and still am not on the show. This Yahoo doesn't understand the privilege that he has. Wow. Lol, JK, y'all are awesome. Which one? Who is the
Starting point is 01:55:19 Yahoo in this specific situation? You or you, me? Well, my last name's Eliyahu. I don't know. Do you want to be the Yahoo? I have a suspiciously Jewish last name, too. Isn't your wife Jewish? Some say.
Starting point is 01:55:32 Some say. Some say. We know who's really pulling the strings in that relationship. You know what I mean? Those guys pulling all those strings. She's already got me earning all the money. She can throw all those strings. Did she do the hand? I'm not very banker of her. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You have no idea. She's already got me earning all the money. She controls all those things. She's not very banker of her.
Starting point is 01:55:46 Yeah, yeah, yeah. You have no idea. She's already like, you make the money and I'll spend it. You like that? And I'm like, all right, here we go. She runs the show. She gets controlled by the Jewish. Do you know, by the way, this is actually a very random funny statement.
Starting point is 01:55:59 So Black Twitter writes its own breathing organization. People don't know. So Black Twitter is its own thing, its own culture. I didn't make that name. They did, right? But they came up with this like – I don't know where they got it, but it went viral. Like millions of impressions, like my family history that like my grandma was like this woman named like Adeline Schoenberg. How did you get the attention of Black Twitter, Elijah?
Starting point is 01:56:23 Oh, do not ask me. I literally just did. Come on, man. Okay, well, it all started when I said that the Little Mermaid actress needed to apply for a visa to get from one eye to the other. They were so spread apart. And so then DDG, her boyfriend, who they broke up, by the way, now, and they have a child together. So I'm sorry, DDG, but you defended a woman who ended up splitting from you and leaving you. So learn not to be a simp um but uh but uh yeah i mean oops but uh on top of that you wonder why they don't like me but uh but but on top of that and then also he libeled me and
Starting point is 01:56:54 said some things that i could i'm you know there's potential legal action still there i'm already talking to lawyers so we're you know watch out buddy you might be black in the streets but we get into the courts the jews are in charge and i am one apparently so uh when they said said that my – they said my parents were like Adeline Schoenberg from Ukraine and Romania. So the best part is now is they used to get mad at me and call me a racist and go at me for being white. They'd call me a mayo monkey and all this stuff. And now because they have identified my grandparents as being Romanian-Ukrainian Jews, the black community is so anti-semitic towards me it would even make james lindsey shiver in his little boots because the point is is like it's like you go to my comments and it's black people being like you stupid rat jew like in my comments you know and
Starting point is 01:57:34 so they hate me because i'm jewish now and so i think it's even funnier because it's like that's even greater than anything i've ever had and it's gotten into like articles and stuff like the secret life and what do the roibers think of this? I don't know. I mean, I haven't met any of them, really. Elijah, how does it feel to experience anti-Semitism? Wow, he is speechless. I can't even believe it. I put on Ron Coleman's kippah just to blend in.
Starting point is 01:58:00 No, you know what? You know what? I honestly, I mean,'ve been in online long enough like i love the hatred and i i live off of it and uh i honestly really do enjoy but experiencing the anti-semitism as long as i'm not uh gonna become six million and number one i think i'll be fine hey maybe you know a lot of jews learn from anti-semitism to become zionist i already started maybe you could start your path and who knows knows? There's redemption for everybody, Elijah. What's the next super chat, by the way?
Starting point is 01:58:27 Let's see. I just want... Redemption, right? You guys love that stuff. Don't worry, Elijah. Heath Hansen says... I'm not going to destroy if I put my own cream cheese on the back. You make enough money.
Starting point is 01:58:36 Heath, hey, hey. Heath Hansen says, Phil is correct. There are tons of handsome, talented people that do not have contacts, so are without opportunity. there are tons of handsome talented people that do not have contacts so are without opportunity look if you are a handsome person if you're attractive and you can't get some kind of job you need to get off the couch because they're look pretty privilege is real like if you're an actually pretty young lady or a pretty man like an attractive man, you're living life on easy mode. Get out there and get after it. It's totally true.
Starting point is 01:59:08 You hate the genetic lottery, you bitch. Yeah, like when I see a successful, handsome, or pretty person, I give them a lot less credit than if I see somebody who's ugly and successful. Oh, you think the OAN hosts and Newsmax hosts were hired for their brains? I think they were hired for their personalities. If you're a millionaire and you look like a foot, then you're like, what does that guy know? But if you're a millionaire and you look like a foot, then you're like, what does that guy know? But if you're a millionaire and you're like some beautiful person, it's like, well, maybe they married into it.
Starting point is 01:59:31 Maybe they lucked into the job somehow. Charlie Kirk, you know he's talented, right? I'm just saying, you see that smile with the gums and you're like, that dude's smart as fuck. It's why everyone knows I work hard. Yeah, me too. Look, man, I'm not tall. Is there a pretty person who works at this company? Everybody who works here is ugly. I mean,
Starting point is 01:59:48 I work here, so I'm not going to say, even if there was, I don't think so. No, that's how you know. It's a meritocracy here at Timcast. You know what's even worse though? It gets even worse in right-wing media because they would say that you have a face for radio, but that would assume you have a good voice, but then people like me, I have a face and a voice for the books. You know what I mean? Maybe you can't write.
Starting point is 02:00:04 I'm like in written word and it's in Yiddish so it's like i know but i'm like it is crazy how it is they say it's politics for ugly people it is i mean all right everybody smash the like button share the show with your friends go to timcast.com and join up uh elijah you got any parting words yes barack baruch hashem al-dunai okay no but no no no actually by the way i will say i do have a lot of jewish family you do know that actually i'm unsure because i feel like you try to hide as a result no no no i condemn anti-semitism i condemn citizenism and i to the jews your hand like that when you do that though i give them my heart no but i all jokes aside i'm a troll guys uh i'm gonna get them in trouble i just like to fuck around a little bit i shouldn't said that till the end
Starting point is 02:00:46 but i did say it twice my bad but um i will say i have a new show out called almost serious on youtube it's brand new we're starting it from the the ground up uh so if you want to follow this new project to be one of the first ones in on fridays at 12 p.m eastern time it's on youtube and youtube only go to almost serious or youtube.com slash at the at Almost Serious TV because Almost Serious was already taken, unfortunately. So Almost Serious TV.
Starting point is 02:01:13 And go watch the show. It's really great. It's a little bit like my old show, You Are Here, and my other show, Slightly Offensive, brought together. So kind of serious but not fully in one-on-ones. And it's going to be expanding. We got good backers and I'm genuinely like, I am shilling it. But if you like this show, you'll probably enjoy it. And it comes out in between-on-ones. And it's going to be expanding. We got good backers. And I'm genuinely like, I am shilling it. But if you like this show, you'll probably enjoy it. And it comes out in between Culture War and this.
Starting point is 02:01:31 So if you're looking for something during the day, check it out, Almost Serious on YouTube. Absolutely. My name is a lot, Eliyahu. Elijah, it's been so long. I'm thankful we were able to have an insightful, thoughtful conversation. Come on the show, though. Like we have before. I will.
Starting point is 02:01:41 Come down. I hope I don't make you regret the invite. I'll put you on three shows i have a new i run a news organization so you can host a news anchor show and then we'll do the one-on-one then we'll do the live show it'll be great i'm looking forward to it so be sure to check out elijah's new channel i'm also i covered the march for life i'm not a particularly pro-life person but something about the march for life the people are so welcoming and kind and i go to so many nasty events where people are generally mean and negative. And at the March for Life, it's a bunch
Starting point is 02:02:09 of young, pretty people and with families and everything. So it was a very nice, uplifting event. I'm going to upload our coverage of that on the Tim Pool channel probably on Monday. So be sure to check that out. Brett? Guys, if you want to follow me, I am on Instagram and on Twix at Brett Dasavik on both of those platforms. Pop Culture Crisis is live five days a week, Monday through Friday at 3 p.m. Eastern on YouTube. You should check us out there. It's a lot of fun, guys. Keep an eye out for more updates this weekend. And I will see you on Monday. you you

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