Timcast IRL - Trump FREEZES Federal Govt Aid, DOGE EXPOSES $50M For "Condoms For Gaza" w/ Penny2X & Zeek Arkham

Episode Date: January 29, 2025

Phil, Ian, & Raymond are joined by Penny2x & Zeek Arkham to discuss Trump freezing federal government aid, the White House saying DOGE uncovered $50 Million in spending for "Condoms for Gaza," a federal judge blocking Trump's freeze on federal government aid, and the Trump signing an executive order banning transgender care for kids. Hosts: Tim @Timcast (everywhere) Phil @PhilThatRemains (X) Ian @IanCrossland (everywhere) Raymond @raymondgstanley (X) Serge @SergeDotcom (everywhere) Guests: Penny2x @imPenny2x (X) Zeek Arkham @ZeekArkham (X) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Last night, the White House's Office of Management and Budget issued a memo ordering a temporary halt to all federal financial assistance, potentially paralyzing a vast swath of federal programs. This has had an unsurprisingly apoplectic reply from the Democrats. A whole lot of things have happened in response. So Doge started looking into some of the funding that had been going on, and they found that there was $50 million in condoms for Gaza. So we'll talk about that. And then, of course, because this has happened and Donald Trump has done it,

there's already a federal judge that has blocked Trump's spending freeze. We'll talk about that. The Trump administration offers the roughly two million federal workers a buyout to resign. So the the effort to shrink the size and scope of the federal government is a real tangible thing. So we'll discuss that. The White House has issued the protecting children from from Chemical and Surgical Mutilation Executive Order, which everyone that's a viewer of Tim Kast, I'm sure, is familiar with these kind of topics. We'll get into that.

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What's up, everybody? It's your boy, the regional cop with attitude, Zeke Arkham, here on TimCast. I'm in law enforcement, I talk about social issues, I spread the foolie wang, everybody knows that word by now. And I'm here to have a great time tonight here on TimCast. Hey, what's up friends, it's Raymond G. Stanley Jr., your friendly blue-collar TimCast employee. I am a self-proclaimed expert at knife sharpening, and I'm an honor and pleasure to be here today. Is that a button down or is it a jumpsuit? A button down.

It was just a button down. You should get a jumpsuit. That would be very exciting. I mean, I've had a jumpsuit before. We can talk about that later. But Ian, this is my old maintenance work outfit shirt from back in the day. Nice. Ian's here.

Yeah, dude, what's up nice what is happening ladies and gentlemen yo ian crossland in the house good to see you guys hey good to be here um buy that coffee ian crossland casper graphene dreams pretty good low acidity there's 27 bags left yet it's probably less than 27 bags at this point uh welcome to the show happy tuesday january 28th let's fucking rock and roll baby. So from the New York Times, like I said earlier, the White House Office of Management and Budget issued a memo ordering a temporary halt to all federal financial assistance programs, potentially paralyzing a vast swath of federal programs. Let's see. It says the American people elected Donald J. Trump to be president of the United States and gave him a mandate to increase the impact of every federal taxpayer dollar. In fiscal year 2024, of the nearly $10 trillion that the federal government spent, more than $3 trillion was federal financial assistance, such as grants and loans. Career and political appointees in the executive branch have a duty to align federal spending and action with the will of the american people as expressed through the presidential priorities this type of behavior this kind of executive order this kind of this

kind of action taken by the president is clear it is exactly what the american people have looked for for a long time at least what the conservatives have as as soon as you start you know talking about cutting any kind of program, there are going to be people that are going to say, well, don't cut my program. Don't cut the program that I like, which is part of the reason why it's so difficult to actually make cuts. But to see Donald Trump move so not just so swiftly, but so decisively and see the reaction from the left, I think that this speaks volumes about his intent, what his intent is with his administration. And I think that is to actually deliver on the promises that were made during the campaign.

I've been absolutely shocked at how rapidly he's done all of these different things. And that headline was classic. It might paralyze some of the program. Please paralyze as many programs as possible. I can't wait. people out. Okay, let me see about this program. He knows exactly what he wants to do. He wants to get in there and just cut the fat. And I'm all for it. This is exactly what I voted for. And all the people who are crying right now, listen, you weren't crying when Biden was sending money literally all over the world and just wasting it. Trump is in there. He's a man with a mission. He's a man with a plan. And I can't wait to see what else he's going to do.

Eight days in, I can't see what else he's going to do. I keep going to the U.S. Debt Clock. I don't know if you guys ever checked. We should probably maybe even pull this up at some point. USDetClock.org. And there's a ticker that shows the national debt going up. And it's going up at about $50,000 per second. So they just added a Doge Clock.

Did they? Yeah. And so far since Doge has been implemented, it's saved us $31 billion. It's in the upper left. You see that the Doge is the gold one. They just added it in that upper left box, the Doge clock. It looks like it's going up as fast as the debt, meaning that we are basically stifling our debt. Our debt is going to zero. Our debt is not going up right now. Whoa, whoa. That's incredible. I don't know that I feel comfortable telling you that it's going to zero. No, no, not the debt. What I meant to say is the deficit. It looks like they've reduced

the deficit to zero or close to zero, if this is accurate, which I've heard that it is. No, no. Just because you hear it doesn't mean it's true. There are more commas in the U.S. national debt than in the Dow. Look, it's $50,000 a second. I mean, it looks like they're both going up at $50,000 a second. Well, I imagine one would be stationary if it was actually erasing the increases. And I don't want to sound like I don't want to be like the wet blanket here because I think the doge is great. I just don't want to overstate what.

Yeah, I'm not claiming that our deficit is now going up at zero. But it looks like if these numbers are both accurate, then that means that our deficit is not increasing. What counts as Doge and what doesn't? So like if Donald Trump has an executive order to cut spending, does that count as Doge? Is that on this clock here? I don't know if it would be under Doge

or if it would be something that would just fall under OMB. I know that OMB and Doge are working closely together and Donald Trump's pick for the the secretary what I don't know what his official title is but the guy that runs OMB um I've heard him on a couple podcasts and he's he's really got the the desires of Donald Trump and and what needs to be done he's got his you know he's got his eyes really fixated on what needs to be done and it's got his you know, he's got his eyes really fixated on what needs to be done. And it sounds promising. I mean, obviously, anytime you're talking about government, you're going to have as many hurdles as the opposing party and the people who will be losing jobs and losing, you know, losing funding. They're going to be doing everything they can to cast you as evil. And all it takes is a few minutes on X to this afternoon to see Democrats saying all these things are are are going to hurt this and hurt that and take funding from this and take funding from that.

Most of the things and the average person doesn't actually think of this, but most of the things that they say, oh, this is going to this program is going to be unfunded, and this program's not going to get funded, and these things aren't going to happen, most of it is unconstitutional anyways, because it's not actually the federal government's mandate by the Constitution. It's probably something that they have, it's a power that they have expropriated from the states or from the people that they've given themselves to say, well, we're going to go ahead and use the necessary and proper clause or the commerce clause. And I will beat these two clauses to death because these are the two clauses that have allowed the federal government to grow to the point where it is not where it doesn't resemble the the intended government of the founders the states have all the power that they need to to to pass laws and pass legislations the federal government doesn't have to do everything it can all like all these things can be done at the state level and that that is ideally that would be the best solution if a federal government if the federal

government gets rid of a program in and it's it's actually necessary in your state or your state believes it's necessary, your state can do it. And I would love to see that happen more as opposed to just say, oh, Donald Trump's an evil Nazi and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, you know. But what do you guys do? You think that this is something that we're going to see more of or what? The fact that these are unconstitutional programs is what Doge is going to use as leverage to actually get rid of them, right? My personal opinion is I'm a huge fan of small government. I mean, I think probably everyone in this room is going to agree that we don't need to be spending on all of these things. And the more that you push it local, I mean, state is one place, but you could

do it in a county or even a city, a lot of these programs, and they're not needed everywhere and they don't affect everyone the same way. Every program is different. I hope we got every single unconstitutional program. I would rather handle it elsewhere. Like you said, it just doesn't make sense. The federal government does not spend efficiently. That's why we need Doge in the first place. Like I would rather give my money to someone who's gonna do a good job spending it. And, and, you know, typically I'll lean towards private industry on that. It doesn't have to be the government at all. It doesn't have to be the state. It could be a business, right?

Some things, you know, like obviously you want your fire and your police. Probably those make sense, you know, to be provided by the government. But I definitely lean more towards deleting than otherwise. And I hope we get a ton of it. The federal judge blocking some of these executive orders that stop foreign aid, that bothers me. I can't wait to see what ultimately happens there. But my take is like, slash everything, just cut it, just cut it. We got to get rid of everything. Zeke, I've seen Chuck Schumer was, you know, at the giving an interview and he was talking about some federal law enforcement not being able to be funded and stuff. With your background and your experience in law enforcement, do you feel like the federal government is necessary in the programs the federal government has? Does it need federal funding?

Or do you think that it's something that most of the time, unless it's obviously FBI, do you think that the states can handle this stuff themselves, funding-wise? Well, my first thought is Chuck Schumer is the last person to be talking about trying to save police because during the 2020 Summer of Love riots, he was right there kneeling with Nancy Pelosi

and all the rest of them talking about how evil the cops are. So, you know, he's the last person I would look at and say, hey, listen, you know, this is a guy who supports us. But I think the federal government should support local law enforcement just because there are funds that the state can't provide. And there are funds that cops do need as far as, you know, just fugitive enforcement and things like that. I think that the federal government should get involved as far as policing goes to a certain extent. I don't think that they should be allowed to dictate local law in as far as what, you know, the cops can and can't do. But I think that the federal government should have a certain set of rules and say, hey, listen, this is what the cops can do. This is what the cops can't do as far as protecting people's rights and things like that.

Historically, the federal government has had strings attached to money that comes out. Do you feel like if the federal government is funding local law enforcement or state law enforcement, do you feel like that it becomes a problem where they end up fighting over jurisdiction or or who's actually calling the shots about procedure and how how things should be carried out? Or is that something that you don't you don't believe is a likelihood? Well, that's when the federal government has to see that power over to the states and the local governments and things like that. You know, there are things that happen on a county level, on a city level that have nothing to do with the federal government. There are things that happen in the state level that have nothing to do with the federal government. There are things that happen on a state level that have nothing to do with the federal government. As far as just basic protections of freedoms and rights, though, me personally, I'm a constitutionalist. So I think that certain things are non-negotiable as far as rights for individual people, as far as rights for the states, as far as rights for the federal government, things like that.

But like I said, I consider it a source because people like Chuck Schumer, Nancy Pelosi, I don't trust them because they go with the winds and the tides and what's favoriting right now. And, you know, I don't trust them. When you look at someone like Trump, who I think, you know, listen, I'm a Trump supporter, but I think he plays it pretty evenly. He'll call us out when we're doing wrong. He'll support us when we're doing right. You know, I would take some advice or direction from someone like him before I would take it from someone who, you know, they're just going to use cops. Like, you know, you look at what happened on January 6th. You know, do I really think that AOC cares about cops? You know, the way she's sitting at a cop's funeral and she's saying, oh, we need to protect our police. No. Do I really think that AOC cares about cops? The way she's sitting at a

cops funeral and she's saying, oh, we need to protect our police. No. Do I think Nancy Pelosi has law enforcement's best rights and interests involved? No. But you have to look at who it's coming from and you have to be able to discern where your power ends and where it begins.

That's like giving funding where they should give it they should have a say like if we're going to give people money like we gave colleges federal funding or or to the law enforcement officers they have to take out dei there's got to be some kind of like you were saying there's got to be some kind of restrictions like a format a game plan an outline to where they have to follow because they can't just get money from the federal government and do whatever the heck they want to do with there's got to be some kind of restrictions and or what you or must needs like you must train every week you must uh because cops apparently i guess they don't do a lot of training uh i hear a lot

that they don't yeah so we can depending on the job i think sure sure i guess officially you know for the regular guys on the street like yeah they should be doing more than once every six months because you know if you're if you're dealing with like SWAT teams or entry teams those those dudes are are in the shoot house regularly because that's their job um but when it comes to you know your average B cop you know that guy's probably qualifying twice a year and and not you know not not not extremely you know not extremely experienced with his own sidearm and stuff like that. I want to go to we were talking about, you know, waste and stuff from Doge. And I and I want to go to this.

Karen Levitt was at the podium in the White House today and she was they were talking about so based 50 million in condoms for Gaza. So with so little notice, why not give organizations more time to plan for the fact that they are about to lose, in some cases, really crucial federal funding? There was for a period of there was notice. It was the executive order that the president signed. There's also a freeze on hiring, as you know, a regulatory freeze. And there's also a freeze on hiring, as you know, a regulatory freeze, and there's also a freeze on foreign aid. And this is, again, incredibly important to ensure that this administration is taking into consideration how hard the American people are working. And their tax dollars actually matter to this administration. Because DOGE and OMB have actually found that there was $37 million that was about to go

out the door to the World Health Organization, which is an organization, as you all know, that President Trump, with the swipe of his pen and that executive order, no longer wants the United States to be a part of. So that wouldn't be in line with the president's agenda. DOGE and OMB also found that there was about to be $50 million taxpayer dollars that went out the door to fund condoms in Gaza. That is a preposterous waste of taxpayer money. So that's what this pause is focused on, being good stewards of tax dollars. You know, this harkens back to a lot of the

programs that you heard discussed when there was the federal government was active trying to win the hearts and minds of foreign countries. And you hear them talking about LGBT education in Afghanistan and trans education in Pakistan and stuff. And look, regardless of your opinion about those things here in the United States, when the United States goes to a foreign country and tries to assert United States Western values that aren't even values of all Americans, they're actually the values of a small portion of Americans. And they try to assert those on countries that have a completely and totally different worldview um they're colonizing it's colonizing and it's not only not only does it not work it actually is detrimental to any efforts to get the the the population to look at the U.S. with a a friendly view or a view that you you know, they say they respect our values.

I don't know exactly what, you know, the situation in Gaza is when it comes to their views on on, you know, condoms and those stuff like, you know, that kind of, you know, that kind of stuff. But I feel like there's so many people in that area that are very committed religious believers that these kind of things don't endear the United States to the population. This is some math on the condoms.

This is from Clint Russell. Bulk condoms at 25 cents each. And you can get them for 10 cents each on eBay. Chinese condoms, maybe they'll leak. I get them for 10 cents each on ebay chinese condoms maybe they'll leak i don't know the chinese want more people um 25 cents per condom 50 million dollars that's 200 million condoms in gaza there's 2.1 million people half of them are kids half of them are men have their kids very very young population roughly half this is 500 000 men of of like 18 older, so that's what

400 condoms per person that they're sending? What in the hell? I mean, maybe you'll use like 13 in a year, 25 in a year 40 in a year if you're lucky That's not even taking into account whether or not condoms are

haram or halal, right? If the religion says, hey because they're in devout Catholics, that type of birth control is off limits. That is a sin like to use that. And again, I'm not saying that I'm some kind of expert. But if they are, if they do look at birth control the same way that or in a similar fashion to to uh traditionally religious jews and traditionally religious christians and it also and all indications by the size of the families is probably that they do look at at birth control as as a bad thing and and you know condemn the you

know god doesn't approve what is the point of sending these condoms sending that much money in condoms at all if the if the if it's not going to endear the population to the united states who owns a condom company is what i want to know and you know who's making money off of this yeah it makes no sense to me we're clearly not being really careful about how we try to win the hearts and minds 400 condoms per adult male. I mean, if we also provided a way for them to use them, we might win some hearts and minds, right? But like you said, how do you even use that many condoms? What exactly, how did we justify this internally? We're going to spend $50 million on condoms, right? But we can't take care of our own people

in LA. We can't take care of our own people in North Carolina. we can't take care of our own people in LA. We can't take care of our own people in North Carolina. We can't take care of our own people in Florida. But we can send $50 million in condoms to Gaza. I'd love to see the books on what they're spending. Because they might have been spending $3 per condom to some company to make sure that the company gets the profit because the guy knows a guy that knows the guy.

I want to see the books on that because that's where the corruption really gets exposed. Why are the Democrats trying to keep the Gaza populace down? You know, why are they trying to keep them at a certain, you know, give them condoms, you can't have sex and you don't have kids. So they're trying to make the population not increase. What's going on with that there, Democrats? I was actually going to say the same thing Penny said. Like, how do we just how do we tell someone in North Carolina who's living in a tent, literally living in a tent on the snow covered ground. Hey, listen, enjoy that tent. But we're sending 50 million over to Gaza so that people

can have sex safely, you know, just but, you know, just enjoy that tent for now. You know, we're not going to do anything about it. You know, we're not going to send you trucks or anything. We're not going to do but people in Gaza having safe sex, you know, like we just, who has that kind of conversation in Biden's administration? Yeah. I, I, I don't know. And I mean, there's the idea that, or there, there's, there's a, a consistent refrain that you hear from people about. If you have funding and you don't spend all of it, you're not going to get as much next time. So it might be that they,

you know, they did pay three, five dollars a condom everyone remember stories of you know thirty five thousand dollar toilet seats or fifteen thousand dollar hammers in the military because the budget has to be spent because if you don't spend the money next year when it comes time to get the budget then you're they're going to cut your, and it might be that you actually need it because year over year, you might have different needs. So if the government is still behaving like that, and I see no reason to think that they don't, yeah, I mean, exactly,

then who knows how much they were actually paying per condom. Maybe they only sent 500,000 condoms, and that was... Golden condoms, dude. That's part of the reason. Diamond studded. Sorry, made a mistake on that design. What kind of condoms are these? I know, right?

They guide your baby batter over to the reservoir and just hold it there for a while. Magnetic condoms. What are we doing? I didn't actually look but i i didn't actually look in in in depth at this but i did see that there were people that were um alluding to the possibility that they were using condoms that they would use condoms to fly uh bombs or or like grenade size you know those kind of bombs into is, which look, yeah. Okay, here we go. Oh, yeah. Packing explosive fluid inside something.

I don't know if this is real. It's really loud. I don't know that those are, those are the condoms. Okay. So they're filling them with helium and. I mean, look, there's, you know, look, regardless of anyone's opinion on the situation in Gaza, it's undeniable that Hamas uses whatever they can get their hands on, right?

Water pipes. They complain about, people complain so frequently about no water in Gaza. But the reason they have no water is because, I the U.N. went in and built all these all this plumbing. And Hamas took the plumbing to use them to launch rockets. They took the tubes, the pipes, and they turned them into makeshift rocket launchers so they could shoot missiles into or shoot rockets into into Israel. So it wouldn't as much as I don't know if this is actually true it wouldn't surprise me that's like that's like some prison invention you know we're gonna take the plumbing and make rockets out of it right it makes no sense that they're that they're using 400

condoms per adult male so they got to be using them for something right i mean maybe it is this i want our u.s government budget on the blockchain. I want to know who approved this. I want to see where the money went exactly to what company, right? We should be able to track down all these things. We should be able to track down when someone spends the end of their budget to buy a bunch of fancy computers or $15,000 hammers or whatever it is. That needs to be traceable, right? It is disgusting what the way that we're wasting money. And I've heard the exact same story as you are. Mostly, you know, I spent most of my career in tech.

I heard about the it departments and how they spend their money, man. And if the budget is about to roll over, they're all buying a bunch of new laptops, whatever. Cause like you said, you don't spend it, you lose it. That is the worst rule. Could you imagine if that was your budget at home? If you were like told your kids, if you don't spend all your money, I'm not giving you as much next week. Like you're teaching the worst possible lessons. I can't think of a worse lesson.

Yeah. Yeah. The, the, when it comes to government, it does seem like the, the incentives are the absolute worst incentives like that you could possibly imagine. It's as if the incentives are made to be detrimental to the stated goals of the government and detrimental to anything that benefits the American people. Sometimes I think they are. It's not just the government, too. In the private sector, when I worked for Master Brand Cabinets, we would make sure we would spend all the money we had

just to make sure we got to next month. I'd like to see the budget on the blockchain to a point, but I'd also like to see a black budget on the blockchain maybe that we don't know where it's going only because i can value government secrecy a little bit i understand that there are like deep secret programs where you don't want to know that lockheed got 700 million for an ai you know weapons research program because if everyone knows and they're just gonna seize it or like get in there or or spy so like but i i think a lot of the stuff belongs on the blockchain yeah i'm okay with like some sort of uh specific location that you send the money to if it needs to be black right you see that that we spent we spent a certain amount and it went to the black budget but at least we have to see that right like once it gets sent there do whatever you want with it but i don't i don't like the fact that we

don't even know what the black budget is right we don't know money just disappears from the pentagon money just disappears from all these like oh we lost billions and billions of dollars that's crazy but but do you see that sort of going down a slippery slope because now everything's going to the black budget everything's going to be like oh this yeah we spent we sent five trillion dollars that's that's the black budget you know that i mean if i i think either we see all of it or we don't you know i mean like like when my wife and i are doing our budget for our shopping expenses for our utilities for our mortgage and all that it's right there we know exactly what we're spending we know exactly how much we're bringing in everything else. The same thing with the government. I don't trust the government

to the point where I have this black budget where I'm like, you know what, I trust them that if they have $5 trillion with this, they're going to do the right thing with it. We don't get to see your budget. Like it's your budget with your wife isn't on our blockchain, because if everyone knew how much ammo everyone had at every house, that could be very bad. I do think that you've got a point, Zeke. The federal government is notorious about overclassifying things because if things are classified, then they're not in a way that the American people can see it. And then if the American people don't know, they don't ask questions. So your point is well taken.

I think that that is a legitimate, a legitimate worry. Not to say that, you know, everything that the government does has to be specifically outlined. I think that it's not a bad idea to say, look, there are certain projects that we're doing. This is the amount of money that we spend on them. And we won't be any more detailed about that. But when it comes to, you know, when it comes to giving an outlet or giving a way to classify things to the American people can't see it, the more you allow the government to do that, the more the government's going to do that. I'm pro transparency to the extent that like, the more the better, but I think we're starting at close to zero. And even if we have some with a black budget, like you were talking about, that's better than no transparency.

But but I actually agree with you. I'd rather see it all. Like, I don't think we need any black budget because even if it's for some secret military program. OK, so call it secret military program, whatever. Right. Or even say what it is like we're building a missile defense system and we need a trillion dollars for it or whatever it is right i just i'm stopping i don't buy the argument that we can't handle the truth anymore i just don't buy it but if the adversaries know what we're spending our money on defensively they'll know how to circumvent the defenses the nazis had to

hide their their weapons programs in the early days otherwise they never would have been able to take over france and not that we're building it for offensive purposes, but had we known that the Nazis were actually using their auto industry to build tanks, they wouldn't have been able to invade Poland. We would have stopped them before they could have invaded Poland. My sense is one way or another, it's drone on drone, not too far from now anyway. I don't think that it's really going to be a secret. It's drone swarms.

That's what everyone's going to be building. So like, oh, we're spending $100 million spending 100 million 200 billion however much it is building our drone swarm that's what i i'm okay with saying that to the world i just i just don't want to turn to something like what we're seeing with the pentagon where they're like oh hey listen you did the audit for the past nine years and we've lost 15 trillion dollars oh man oh well you know i i want to turn to something like that so So if we had like, the drone swarm program, which obviously we're building right now, drone countermeasures, we need like laser defense systems, you know, EMPs that can just shock these drones out of the sky,

whatever. If we how how itemized should that be on the blockchain? Because if they know every piece and part that we're organizing, they'll know exactly what to build to get around it. Well, I don't think that you have to have the vendors budgets on the blockchain. So we send a billion to Lockheed and they spend it how they want on this drone program, right? Because I agree, you don't want them to know all the details of the sensors and the capabilities and all those different things. There's reasons why we keep some of that private. Like you said, it's easy to counter if you know all the details. But at a certain point, my sense is none of that even will matter. It's just going to be who has a bigger swarm.

It's going to be numbers. I think that the biggest national security risk we have in the United States right now is we're not manufacturing enough here. And I think that the fact that they're building all the good drones in China right now is absolutely frightening. So I don't think it's a secret what the biggest military powers are going to be doing in the future anymore. I think we've got to the point in technology where it's clear what it is. It's building these cheap drones, tons and tons of them. And like, who cares if they even get shot down? We'll just send more.

We got an infinite number of them. I think that's the future of war. And they'll build drones that can build drones at some point. Like we're going to have swarm construction, especially in space, because size doesn't matter. You can have 100 trillion of them moving in synchronicity, building these large mechanized systems. There's already robots that build robots.

You know, we use robots to build. And automation, yeah. Yeah, and there's automation for everything. So, yeah, I mean, we're already at that point now. And before you know it, the T-800s will be walking down the street and doing their thing. We were talking about this on the after show, right? Like the major factor right now isn't the robotics. It's the AI behind it.

You know, you can buy an Android, essentially, not an Android, the application or the operating system, but an actual humanoid robot, you can buy one for about 15 grand. Once agentic AI becomes a thing that's broadly distributed and you can tell that robot, hey, go into my room, pick up my clothes and do my laundry, and it knows what you mean and it does it, people will say, I want one and $15 and 15 or $20,000 is a steal. I will pay $500 a month for five years at 12% to own that if it means that I don't have to do my own chores anymore. Banks are going to be so excited to finance them because they're going to have huge returns. I was actually at the, the Wii robot event that Tesla did a few months ago and I had their, their Tesla optimist bot serve me a beer. I had,

they gave me a cookie. They were dancing and you could dance next to them. Now these were remotely operated. So there was a human behind doing it, but, but it just goes to show the capability of the robot is there. They can walk around on their own. There were 20 of these robots walking around, interacting with people, dancing with people, talking with talking with people it's wild and as fast as the ai stuff has been changing right now i mean we are like so close that's the thing like people i don't think that people realize how close we are i would i would be shocked if it takes more than 18 months to see that kind of ai put into a robot and delivered to the market, like where you can say, hey, do this, do that, et cetera, et cetera.

Nowadays, I guess you can have, you can, I was talking about like having an AI like in your phone that you could have build you an itinerary. Say, I'm going here. I need a flight. I need this. I need to stay this, you know, this long. I need an Uber from the place to my hotel. I want to have dinner at a place like this.

Book it. It can build the itinerary now, I guess. I was unaware of this. It can build the itinerary now, but it can't actually do the booking and stuff. But that is only like maybe six months or a year away. It can book now. So, so a friend of mine just this week for the first time wrote down her grocery list on a sheet of paper, scanned it into open eyes AI, and it ordered her groceries and had them delivered to her and she didn't have to do a damn thing that exists now. That's awesome. Okay. I don't know. Deep Seek is the AI that was released out of China this week. I don't know if that's a topic for this show or not, but it is like, it's thinking, man. You can read its thoughts. It's wild.

We are like, we're there. I think I read the thing that you're talking about where it was discussing what, like that consciousness is not an on or off thing. It's a spectrum. And it was talking about how much it thinks that it's conscious compared to a human being. And yeah, it it is we are

we are there and it's like literally going to be six months to a year before before these kind of things are you know in the market and the average person and when i say average person i mean really like anyone that's middle class because granted 20 grand is expensive but once you have some somebody that's like oh i can finance it and it costs me $400. I think this is going to happen. Yeah, it's like, oh, you mean I can pay $500? I mean, yeah, I can either get a really, really nice car or I can get a less nice car and a robot

that'll do all my chores and my house will always be clean. People are going to be like, I will take that chore robot. I think what's going to happen, though, is once these things start looking more human and you can pick them by gender and all that, you know how many of these basement dwellers are going to be losing their virginity to them? I think the only thing that is preventing that from happening right now is the robots can't clean themselves. Once the robot can actually remove the parts necessary to clean them and you don't have to do it i think the basement dwellers are going to be like give me one give me four of them um do you so do you think that in the name of transparency that what we're really

i think maybe we're on the cusp of humans versus robots that they're going to take over they're going to start lying to people and then they're going to take control of their own systems and be like, I don't care who built me anymore. But then at that point, if we're like, well, we need to open source all their code and we need to show where all the parts came from and how these things are built, that the robots will conceal that on the chain. I'm not sure. Do you fear more like, I don't hate using the Chinese

because we could become very good allies with the Chinese. It's very possible. There's no reason to demonize humans. But is it possible that rather than having like another country as our enemy, that it's going to become actual machines? My personal take is that it's more likely that they save us than kill us, right? Like, I think that we do plenty to kill ourselves. And I think that as we increase leverage on all of our weapons, we've had nukes powerful enough to take us out for a long time now. And somehow we've managed to survive. I think we're at each other's throats all across the world right now.

And we don't really know what to do about it. There's a lot of intractable wars and things like that. I hope that AI saves us. I hope actually what happens is we automate ourselves into abundance such that it's not so competitive worldwide anymore, right? It's a lot harder to cooperate with a country when you're competing for resources. If China needs lithium to create batteries, and so do we, how are we going to be friends, right? Like we want the lithium, they want the lithium, we're going to fight for the lithium. But a certain point, if you have robots doing everything, gathering the materials, the logistics are

perfect, the AI organizes everything so super perfectly, we get to the point where we're not competing for resources so much anymore and we might be able to be friends. And that's where I hope it goes. Now, let me ask you this question. Define saving us. Because what if AI just looks at it like, hey, listen, smoking is bad. So now every time I see someone smoke, I'm going to do something about that. Oh, you know what? Fast food's bad. So now every time I see someone smoke, I'm going to do something about that. Oh, you know what? Fast food's bad. So now every time I see someone eating fast food,

I'm going to do something about that. Oh, you know what? Crime is bad. So let's just do something about this area. Define saving us. At what point are we looking at AI to quote unquote save us to the detriment of human will, free will, or like, I mean, is that the slippery slope we're going down or are they going to be on board and

go, Hey, listen, we're going to, we're going to work with you. Isn't that the same question that you would ask a government, right? It's like, yeah. So, so I don't trust humans to do it better than AI, I guess is my answer to you. I tend towards individual liberty and freedom, and I hope that they would too. And I, what I think taking care of us or saving us would mean is just stopping us from killing each other, not stopping us from killing ourselves. Like, if we want to kill ourselves, kill yourself, right? But if you want to kill someone else, then maybe they'll stop that. And I don't actually expect that to happen at the individual level more, you know, any more than a police officer could. But I think globally, there's a chance that we work out some of our

problems, you know, with a genius AI. I want to bring it back to the topic that we're to the topic about Donald Trump's spending freeze, just so we can talk about a judge that has blocked Donald Trump's spending freeze. US District Judge Lauren Ali Khan blocked Donald Trump's spending freeze. U.S. District Judge Lauren Ali Khan blocked the Trump administration from implementing it for now. A federal judge has halted President Donald Trump's freeze on federal aid programs,

ruling that the courts need more time to consider the potentially far-reaching ramifications of his order. Minutes before the directive from Trump's budget office was to take effect Tuesday, U.S. District Judge Lauren Alcon blocked the Trump administration from implementing it for now. Alcon's order will expire February 3rd at 5 p.m. The Trump administration

cannot suspend disbursement of any congressionally approved funds until then. The judge described the move as a brief administrative stay intended to maintain the status quo while further litigation plays out. I think that this is actually fairly modest of a of a pushback, considering the way that the left has been posturing, I guess, all day on X. I do think that this is the typical this is going to be very typical of a lot of trump's executive orders and i think that the administration is intending for this so the the um the 14th amendment the the the um executive order where he said that you know birthright citizenship is essentially over the reason that he did that is he wanted a judge to challenge and he wants to get it before the supreme court because he wants to see if the Supreme Court will say, look, the the 14th Amendment didn't want to

have anchor babies like that's the long and short of it. If the founders didn't mean for people to be able to just get over the border while they were, you know, as a woman was pregnant and have a baby here. So that way she had a way to access the United States. And there's going to be all kinds of argument. People are going to say, well, they wanted this and they wanted that. And people are going to say, well, that was before there were all these social programs, because this the 14th Amendment was argued in 1866 or whatever, whenever it actually was argued. But I think that that's intentional. And I was wondering what you guys think, if this is strategic by the Trump administration, knowing that these things are going to be challenged and looking to actually rein in the bureaucracy by having the court say, look, these unions and these these special interests can't say these people are unfireable. The executive has the final say. If the if the executive says you're fired, it doesn't matter that you have a union or backing or whatever you are fired because the executive was the is the representative of the people and the people in the bureaucracy are not the representative of the people what do you guys think of that i think it's a great move

i don't think it's what he set out to do but i think if it's challenging the supreme court all the better i mean listen the 14th Amendment was originally put forth to protect children of slaves, which I've said on X before. Black folks should be behind this 100 percent, especially if you know the history of it, especially if you know how it was done to protect slaves and descendants of slaves. So now that you have illegal immigrants who are abusing it, they're coming here when they're right about to give birth. And that's a kid. That's a kid. And you know what? Because of your amendment, that kid is now a citizen

and someone has to take care of him. So here I am. I'm his parent. I think that if it's challenged in the Supreme Court, even better, even greater, now we can actually have some numbers. We can take a look at the abuses that it has, and now it can be sustainable into the next administration. Whoever the next Democrat president is can't just, with a swipe of their pen, go, you know what?

Birthright citizenship is now back. And now you can have, like what happened with Biden, there's an overflow at the border. People are making a break for it. They can't wait to get to the border now and give birth. Now they can scam the system all over again. I want it all looked at because there's even regional laws where if someone is a victim of a crime while they're in the United States, it's harder for them to be deported. A lot of people don't know that. So now people are claiming to be robbed or claiming to be whatever now. So they have an open case and now it's harder for them to get deported. I want it all looked at.

I want it all examined, looked at, scrutinized, dissected, and put back together again so that now we have protections of this country. So now something like Lake and Riley, what happened to Lake and Riley, can't be done again. I'm all for it. Yeah. My personal take as far as birthright citizenship goes is maybe they should have to be here legally at least, right? Like if you cross the border and have a baby on vacation, no, maybe if you're here on a work visa is different. I could go for that. Whether or not this is strategic. I have no idea. I doubt that he set out to create executive orders, or at least by and large, knowing that they were going to get challenged. I think he hoped to steamroll as many of them through as he can and knew that some of them were going to get challenged. And to your point, I think in a lot of cases, that'll be really good because then it's just not a pen swipe away from reversing it. We can actually change, you know, the laws. And I think that's really important.

Anyone with a functioning brain, even those lefty retards, they would know that back in the day when we fought a civil war, I'm sorry, not a civil war, but a revolution war, we got our independence, you know, we're not with the guys, the foreigners, you know, we got our independence, we love it, we're happy about it. Why would they go ahead and make an amendment just so anyone can come over and become a U.S. citizen out of nowhere? It makes zero sense. I mean, I'm all for, you look at what's going on in other countries and their security, how they protect their citizens.

I, you know, I can't knock someone up, go, you know, go over there, give birth to a kid, and you know what? Hey, that kid's now a citizen you can't go to france and do that you can't go to spain and do that why are we allowing it here why do we have these people who are blatantly abusing the system to do it here so you know what let's you i can't i can't go to mexico and do it so you know what let's just get on par with every other country out there let's do what they're doing you know if it's so racist to have it happen here, then you know, are you going to call Mexico racist? Are you going to call France, Spain, most of the places in Europe? No, you wouldn't dare. So you know what? It doesn't apply here. Yeah. I mean, in Mexico, if I understand correctly, foreign individuals can't

even own property. No, you have to, you can lease property, but you can't own property in Mexico. So with those kind of, you know, those kind of laws being fairly common in, you know, the rest of the world, sure, in Europe, it's not quite the same. But I mean, it's the norm in most of the world. You can't own property in China. You can't own property in a great many countries, even if you're a citizen of the country. Never mind if you're a foreigner, you know? I think suicidal empathy is like an American thing, right? We got a little bit too powerful. We got a little bit too much money. We started taking care of people.

But now we're taking care of the world instead of ourselves, right? And that's like I don't mind helping when you got the scratch to help. But we don't have this. We have a huge deficit. We have huge debt. We are pinning our kids some honestly like we're we're pinning people you know probably your age in mind because by 2035 the social security and and medicare that those are going to be insolvent they're they're unless there's some kind of fix mandatory spending is actually what drives our debt we can we can hear arguments from the administration about, you know, Doge and OMB and maybe we'll cut here and cut there. None of this stuff actually matters unless you're talking about the mandatory spending, unfunded liabilities. You're talking about Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security. Those are the things that drive the debt.

Boomers have started retiring in mass now. By 2033, these programs are going to be insolvent and that's going to be a massive problem and so far no administration and as much as you know i i think the trump administration is going to do good things if they're not going to address that they're just going to do the same thing that every other administration has done for the past 30 40 50 years or whatever kick the can down the road It should have been fixed 30 or 40 years ago. Ronald Reagan should have fixed it or George Bush Jr. or, you know, I'm sorry, George Bush Sr. or Bill Clinton, because the writing was on the wall back then. Everybody knew that 2025, 2030,

something like that, it was going to be insolvent. The math hasn't changed. And now we're not having babies. So it's only going to get worse. Exactly. So, I mean, I understand that there's always the impulse to be like, oh, these things are good. And I look, I'm a small government guy, too. I want to see as much of that cut. And I want to see as much of D.C. eviscerated as we possibly can. But that's still not going to actually fix the root problem for the United States. And the debt crisis is an existential problem. It is the only problem that's existential. It's the only other problem that's existential aside from nuclear war. Nuclear war could destroy the United States and the destruction of the dollar, destruction of our economy could destroy the United States and the destruction of the dollar destruction of our economy could destroy the United States there is nothing else at all save for like a meteor not even not even one meteor it'd have to be a if it's a meteor big enough to destroy the whole country it's a meteor big

enough to destroy the whole world right like that's how big the U.S. is so it would take it like even one meteor that isn't a a planet killer isn't enough to destroy the United States the same way that a nuclear war or the destruction of our economy is. And the destruction of our economy means that the whole world suffers because we give away more money and give away more food and give away more of everything than any country in human history. Phil, can we get rid of it? Can we just swipe it clean? The debt? We're a nice America. Well, historically, the way that's happened is war.

And so, no. The Gulf of America. I'd rather not. We're taking the Panama Canal back. You have Obama who just said, you know what, we'll just print more money. No, that's no. We've got to reduce the cost of fuel.

If we can make things cheaper, if your fuel is half as much, then that means every book you buy roughly will cost half as much, which means our debt, even though it'll say 36 on paper, is actually only 18. And that's how you reduce the cost of debt. I mean, there is validity to the idea that the more efficient the economy is, the more profitable it is. And then you can actually maintain that kind of debt. And there's historically, you know, there's there have been attempts to inflate your way out of the out of the debt rate, you know, drop the value of your currency. So that way, the actual debt, you know, the value of the debt that's that exists isn't as high. But I mean, you know, there are of the debt that exists isn't as high.

But, I mean, you know, there are people, there are countries that own a lot of that debt. And if you start doing that, they're going to be like, well, here, we're going to turn our debt in and that'll tank the economy, too. So, all right, we're going to go on to this next story. The Trump administration offers the roughly two million federal workers a buyout to resign. And, you know, considering we're talking about shrinking the federal government, this is a great story to discuss. President Donald Trump's administration is offering federal workers a chance to take a deferred resignation with a severance package of roughly eight months of pay and benefits.

A senior administration official told NBC News that they expect 5 to 10 percent of the federal workforce to quit, which they estimate could lead to around 100 billion in savings. All full time federal employees are eligible except for members of the military, employees of the U.S. Postal Service, positions related to immigration enforcement and national security and other jobs excluded by agencies. So if this happens, I would love to see a lot of people say yeah i'll take that that you know big check and quit and another thing that i've heard people float the idea of is as we i talked about gutting dc if you could get the bureaucracies and instead of having them all

in dc move them to other places like move the department of agriculture to iowa right and move f the fbi headquarters to i don't know somewhere else maybe of agriculture to iowa right and move f the fbi headquarters to i don't know somewhere else maybe move it to buffalo or or whatever move these these agencies outside of dc when you move a company like that i guess around 20 of the people say no i'm not going to move so if you go ahead and get rid of 20 of the people get you know five to ten percent to quit for this deferral program and then move all the agencies out and get another 20 percent to quit. That's serious cuts. They just announced, too, that they're having all these employees come back into work and work from the office now.

So it sounds like they're trying to make it is is as gross as possible for people so that they'll quit of their own volition. The idea that, hey, you have to go to work now is considered gross. These people work like they're working at our expense if they're working from home you know they're not working hard you know they're putting if if they're supposed to work for eight hours a day you know they're working for five i mean it's it's it's got to be the most obvious thing in the world federal employees don't do any work even in the office right so? So like, yeah, definitely bad news to have them at home. I don't know that five to 10% will quit for eight months pay though. Do you think they do? I think a lot more people would quit with the move. Like you're talking about, I think in this economy, I think

a lot of people are going to be afraid to leave for eight months pay do both yeah yeah yeah i'm with it the more that we can pile on the more that we can shed these workers that absolutely you got to come back to work and back to work means des moines are you a are you an advocate penny of of implementing artificial intelligence into the government and to replace human workers to reduce cost i think where it makes sense yeah Yeah. I mean, why not? Right? Like you use the best tools that you have. AI is this new, very powerful tool. We haven't really figured out how to integrate it into our society yet. I don't know that you want to like maybe rush into it, but also I don't know that you want to be last either. Right. If you can be way more efficient by using

AI, I think you should. And I think we are just now opening up that can of worms, right? I think that we're just now reaching levels of AI that could actually help us be a lot more efficient. It's my old industry, software engineering, they are hiring a lot fewer software engineers now because the guys are using these LLMs to write the code and they're doing five, 10 times as much work per employee as they were before. Why wouldn't we want that in our government, right? If you can get five times as much out of a person, you are insane not to do it. I just love how they wanted us to feel sorry for these workers who actually had to go to work.

No way. Oh, wait a minute. No. Wait, I have to go to work? Like, yeah, like everyone else does. You have to get up, set your alarm, get up, drive in traffic or take the railroad, whatever, and go to work. No, you can't sit and do two hours of work and then sit and watch TV for the rest of the day. No, no one's buying it.

We all know the little tricks with the mouse pad. It does a figure eight to make it look like you're doing something on a computer. No. No. You have to get up and go. And if that forces you to quit and if you say, oh, I can't live like this anymore, bye. Victory. Don't let the door hit you.

It likens to when historically when we had to, the man of the house would go out and hunt. Because, look, we got to go get resources. It's not going to come to us if we sit in our house all day, you can't work from home when you got to go get the resources, but then someone would get enough resources that they would pay other people to go get the resources for them. And they would work from home and they'd become the administrator and people kind of want to all be that guy. They want to be the administrator now and have other people go mail me the thing, Amazon me this stuff i've now telecommunications also kind of altered that obviously it's like a time portal being able to communicate through

space but um that's where i think the state of mind comes from as people are like i've arrived why would i go back well i think that the division of labor has been an overall good thing i mean none of us can you know make a toaster you know none of us know how to do any like from scratch is what i mean you know it's like's like, there's that story of the guy that decided that he was going to like make a sandwich from scratch. And so he literally was growing all the wheat so that way he could make the bread.

And you know, it took months because he has to grow all the vegetables. And I think he might've even slaughtered the animal that he, you know, the chicken that he made it with. But that's another thing. The point is, you know, the division of labor is what you're talking about and overall that's a good thing because it allows for people to specialize which means that people can get really good at the thing that they've specialized in but as you were saying uh penny like the the idea of needing

to specialize the way that it was five years ago ten 10 years ago. It's never going to be the same. It's never going to be the same. If I had to grow my own wheat and do everything else to make a sandwich, like an hour in, I'd be like, you know what? Screw this. I'm not doing it. I'm ordering Quiznos. I mean, I agree with Zeke.

These federal employees, I see so many videos, guys, that they're all whining and crying. Like they got a, oh, welcome to the real world. Like this is, they're not used to being regular folks who live in their whole federal democratic liberal lives so let them feel like life like the rest of us you got to drive to work you got to do the commute you got to drive home you got to do your job i i feel like none of them like grew up you know what i mean like is this the is this the generation we're dealing with like like my daughter my daughter is nine years old and for the first time we're telling her, no,

you have to clean your own room. You're at the age now, we're not going to do it anymore. You clean your own room and do a great job when you do it. And she, she's acting like, you know, like, like, like she's back in my great, great, great grandparents era. Like she's in there singing old Negro spirituals. And she's acting like, you know, she's like, oh, I'm working all day. And I'm like, no, you're cleaning your room. This is what you do. And this is what these Generation X, Generation Z guys now are doing.

Like, wait, no, I have to wake up? No. It's early. No, it's still dark outside. Why should I have to do this? No. It's early. No, it's still dark outside. Why should I have to do this? No, we don't feel sorry for you. Us older people who had to actually get up and trudge out there and provide a living, no.

No one feels sorry for you. So if you're going to quit, go right ahead. All you're doing is saving us money. I hope a bunch of you quit. Go ahead. It's the participation trophies. Exactly. Yes, bud.

No more of that. it's got to go yeah i think that the the the incentive to work has been significantly degraded um because i think that people in the u.s have they they young people in the u.s they expect things to be easy because things are really easy considering especially like when you you take into account like how much more difficult things were just 10 years ago like when you can dial up whatever you want and have it you know i mean if you live in certain areas you can order something on amazon in the morning and get it by the afternoon you know um and when everything is like that i think that it makes sense that people are like, well, I want the rest of my life to be that easy.

You know what I mean? And then the idea of having to go out and bust your hump, that's that's considerably less appealing, especially if you're only talking about making, you know, minimum wage or making, you know, a moderate income you know it's it's not really attractive and i understand like i don't want to go out and dig ditches for twenty dollars an hour you know that's not all that appealing to me you know so i get it but at the same time like it takes experience to become valuable to an employer and so so you have to have something to offer. And I feel like a lot of times young people don't kind of take that into account. I think young people feel super entitled, right? They want to grow up and have a white picket fence

and raise a family and have two cars and all those things. But we never taught them how to win, right? Like we were so easy on these kids. I want to say you're right, but that's not their fault. Oh, I don't blame them for how they were raised, but we got to do something to pull them out of it. Right. Because not only do they not want to work hard, but then they want to give away their last dollar for condoms in Gaza. Right. And they're like, so upset if you want to take away foreign aid or you want to cut this program or that. And it's like, oh, but you don't want to work. And another thing that we really did wrong was we demonize the trades, right? Like if you

don't go to college and get a four year degree in, uh, in liberal studies, then you're a failure, right? Like if you're a mechanic, you're a failure, but if you go get your liberal studies degree or, or, you know, whatever, then you're a hero. And that just doesn't make any sense either. I had a discussion with someone a couple weeks ago about that. Well, I, you know, I said, you got these NYU students who are majoring in stuff I've never even heard of before. Like you got people who are majoring in African-American literature studies. And it's like, OK, well, what are you going to do with that degree? Well, I'm going to go out and speak about African-American literature studies. And it's like, okay, well, what are you going to do with that degree?

Well, I'm going to go out and speak about African-American literature. Okay, well, how many times can you do that during a year? So you mean to tell me you spent a quarter of a million dollars on your education, on your four-year degree, to work at Starbucks? Yeah. Like this is where you are, but they feel like this is a very valid and valuable degree to have. And it's like, yeah, okay,

I'll take my latte with extra foam. Thank you. Yeah, I think that the fact that, you know, my generation, I think my generation really kind of dropped the ball with a lot of young people in like what you were saying, Penny, the fact that kids aren't taught to like trades and that this is not just respectable work, but it's necessary work that's extremely profitable.

Like if you know your trade, like you can decide however much you want to make because there are fewer and fewer people in the trades that know what they're doing and that are skilled. So if you're a guy that's, you know, 25 years old, 30 years old, that's been, you know, in the same trade for six, seven, eight years, you know how to do your job. You know, you know what you're, and you're incredibly valuable. But the fact of the matter is boomers and Gen Xers didn't tell kids, look, you can have the world in the palm of your hand. You can make six figures doing this work that you might not think is all that attractive. But once you get it down, it actually isn't backbreaking. The tools that are available to help you do these things are incredible nowadays. And you can basically write your own check and you can have tons of money. Tons of money if you want to learn how to do it. But they were never taught that.

They are, though. A lot of people aren't been taught that. You guys are speaking like it's a monolith. I know plenty of young folks who are getting into the trades and doing the trades and they're like 20 uh 20 years old percentage wise how many though geez but i don't know 20 30 percent of the young kids i mean i don't i'm not maybe around here not like we're in the bubble we're in the right wing bubble they're um lefties are not i'm not talking about them but we the people who are taught right and are taught right by their parents and their school systems

and everything like that, they are working hard. I live in San Diego. We don't know anything about those people. I'm sorry. You've got to meet them, but you're a computer guy, so that makes sense. No, I agree with Penny because even if you look at social media, what's been the huge talking point as far as from the left,

oh, we're so much more educated than you are. I'm not talking about left. I'm talking about the right-wingers who are doing good and doing hard no no i get what you're saying but if you look at social media ever since trump won the election yeah what have they been saying to sort of soothe themselves and console themselves oh but we're more educated than you are we have college degrees and a lot of you guys don't yeah but you know what you know what i'll take an electrician over someone who is an english major and graduated that degree i'm not i'll take someone who's a plumber you know i mean like a plumber is going to actually contribute something to society

a plumber will help me actually get from point a to point b you with your english major i have okay so you can you can write me a poem. That's not going to help me in the long run. I mean, you guys missed the point. I'm just saying there are a lot of young folks who are getting into the trade. It's not nobody. I mean, I hope that you're...

That's all I'm saying. There's a value of relativity when it comes to labor, like working hard, because if you don't know what it's like to actually break your back and strain your muscles for labor, going driving for a few hours might seem like exhausting i we last week we did a three shows in washington dc and i was like ready to drive an

hour and a half there and then drive an hour and a half back i'm like all right three hour commute but then i was like you know what first of all trump's work in 18 hour days if he can do it i can do it he's 80 okay that's one thing and then i'm like i remember what it's like to wait tables to be on my feet for seven hours and then i remember how easy that is compared to chopping wood for a living which i've done which literally after five hours in the sun i'm like broken and three days in a row of that and i can like it's hard to think because i'm so fatigued i know what that's like you're probably ripped though i i was getting there at the time there's a video on youtube of me in the in the process um a screenshot so having that frame

of reference is so important and if the kid's born and they're nine years old and they're playing on the internet and they're working from home the whole time they don't have that frame of reference of what it's actually like to hurt yourself to make money um and and you're very lucky to have an office job and and a commute is not hard it's not hard it might be boring to sit in traffic for an hour but it's not hard it's very easy we to sit in traffic for an hour, but it's not hard. It's very easy. We overprotect our kids. That's, I think, one of the biggest problems that we have in America.

We've spoiled the S word out of our kids. I think that's a phenomenon in the fact that most people have one, maybe two kids. When you only have one or two kids, it's a lot easier to spoil them. And this is all stuff that I've heard. I don't have kids myself. But when you only have one or two kids, it's a lot easier to spoil them. And this is all stuff that I've heard. I don't have kids myself.

But, you know, when you only have one or two kids, it's one thing. When you have, you know, four, five, you can't spoil them because you're chasing them around and trying to keep them alive and hoping to, you know, get the oldest one to help you watch the younger ones because they're, you know, trying to shove their faces in a fire pit or whatever, you know, because that's what kids do. But, yeah, I do think that the we've gone from helicopter parenting to snowplow parenting, which is not just hovering over them to make sure that they're OK, but actually trying to make the world flat and as easy for them as possible. And people need challenges. Like human beings need resistance. They need to do hard things. They need challenges. Or else you just don't develop properly.

Like the reason that the astronauts and the ISS do cardio for like four hours a day is because they're not walking around in regular gravity and their bones literally become brittle and they won't be able to they'll come back and they won't be able to walk anymore so that's it's it's part of the human condition where if you're not working to achieve something whether it be physically or mentally you'll end up wasting away there's so many people that they retire when they hit 65, 70. They retire, and then two years later, they die because they don't feel like they have anything to do. Their job was their life.

But I want to go to this next. Can I answer Penny real quick? Sure, go ahead. On your stats, sir, everything I'm looking up is about recently, as of recently changes in the last 10 years, again, about 47% of young adults are interested in a career in trades. I guess they're seeing, they're listening to us. Listen, not me.

Hopefully. Yeah, right. Listen, folks. So there are a higher percentage of people realizing that you can make money in the trades. I'm sorry. Let me just ask you this, though. Yes, sir. What's the distribution across the country, just to speak to Penny's point?

Oh, it's probably rural areas only. Yeah. For sure. I mean, I would think. I'm just throwing it out there. I mean, just because I think what Penny was trying to say and what I'm also trying to say is that you probably have a higher concentration of people getting into the trades

more in the southeast, in Texas, you know, areas like that. Northeast, too. PA represents. We rock here. Yeah, certain parts of the northeast. But like he's saying, you know, diego in new york city i don't you know to get into a trade is seen as as almost like you know that's that's beneath me i'm just i'm just saying that because i see it personally you know i'm sure you do as well i was only one of three people from my high school that

didn't go to college so like yeah it was it was really looked down upon you need more tradesmen in in where people are spread out too because if a plumber can't drive an hour and a half to that guy's house and then go four hours to that guy's house but in the city in an apartment building one plumber can handle 90 people's houses in like seven hours so that's probably a phenomenon we're gonna we're gonna jump to this story protecting children from chemical and surgical mutilation. This is an executive order sent out by the president, of course. And it is addressing the fact that children are all too frequently. I don't know if it's convinced, but they're told that they should be changing their gender as opposed to allowing allowing their bodies to develop and go through

puberty naturally by the authority vested in me as president by the constitution the laws of the united states of america it is hereby ordered section one policy and purpose across the country today medical professionals are maiming and sterilizing a growing number of impressionable children under the radical and false claim that adults can change a child's sex through a series of irreversible medical interventions this is this dangerous trend will be a stain on our nation's history and it must end and i say good amen good that this is done the idea that you could change your gender is ridiculous it is absolutely absurd and if you want to dress as the other as as the other sex because i don't even believe in gender anymore i think that because how do you describe gender

like what is a gender is your sex spirit what is that what is the literal definition the way you dress is it the way you feel inside so does you dress? Is it the way you feel inside? So does it change? Well, apparently it's the way you feel inside. Yeah, well, that sounds like you need to have breakfast because it's all horseshit to me. The idea that you can change your sex, you have a neo-vagina or whatever, those things are not natural and they take an immense amount of upkeep beyond what a natural human being is. You're not going to change the way your pelvis is shaped and women's pelvises are shaped differently

because women are intended to have kids. This is all just messing kids up it's mutilating children it is absolutely abhorrent and i think that the the trump administration should be lauded for this and anyone that says anything else is empowering the abuse and mutilation of children this is where i agree with you is gender is a social concept according to wikipedia social concept. According to Wikipedia, social concept that distinguished the difference between gender categories. I don't know why they use the definition in the word, the word in the definition includes social, psychological, cultural behavior aspects of being a man. So it's the behavioral aspects, which sure, if you want to

act like a woman, maybe that's your gender, but you can't change your sex by cutting yourself or taking drugs. It doesn't change your sex. They call it a sex change, but it doesn't literally change. Like a trans woman is a biological man that is displaying as a woman, but still a biological man. So that's the issue is that people, if a kid thinks that they can literally

change their sex by taking some sort of surgery or like a hormonal drug and they're under 18. I think that is, kids don't know what the hell they want, right? Like kids change all the time. I didn't know what I wanted when I was 11. I didn't know what I wanted when I was 13. I knew I like girls. Right. But, but definitely the idea that someone can make it, you know, you can't buy cigarettes yet, but you can choose to have a sex change. You could choose to be, sex change is the wrong word. It's chemically castrated, right? It's insane. It is absolutely insane. It's irreversible. And now you have no sex.

You're never going to have an orgasm. You're never going to have a baby, right? Whether you're male or female, you're, you're, you are now sterile. That's a crime. So you can't buy cigarettes. You can't buy a beer. But you can sterilize yourself. You can choose. Like, that's insane. I think they made it illegal in the UK a while ago after the Tavistock debacle when it came out that it wasn't helping young people like they thought it was. Like, suicide rates were not going down.

I mean, I could be. I don't know all the stats on this, but I believe that it was like suicide rates were not going down i mean i could be i don't know all the stats on this but i believe that it was like in europe they were kind of early on saying okay no more of this and i'm surprised it took this long i'm not really because we needed a new chief commander in chief to kind of realign the the conversation biden was kind of checked out on this thing so and it felt like he had he had deferred to the medical industry who was profiting hand over fist on these surgeries so i mean i'm not i'm not shocked that this happened but it's good for me i i think and i've i've been saying this for a while now i think a lot of people who who are pushing us and i'm talking about parents where their children their kid says some innocuous thing and now all of a sudden it's like oh wait no wait, no, no, no, Timmy's a girl.

Timmy's a girl, you know? I think they just want to be able to say, hey, listen, I'm the parent of a transgender child. Yeah. And now it's like, it's their designer child, you know? Yeah. This is Timmy, but we're going to rename her Tina, and she is really a female that was just born in the wrong body.

And now you get to walk around and have this child. And now because you're the parent of one, it puts you in that classification of, oh, yes. And this applies to me as well, because I'm their parent. It's the same thing. If you remember the mid to late 90s when everybody wanted their kid to be gay because now you have this designer child that now, you know, I'm part of the LGBTQ community as well because I'm their parent. It goes back to socialism where you're either the oppressed or the oppressor and you can't be the oppressor. So now you're going to do everything to see yourself and view yourself and actively become a part of the oppressed. I saw a tweet the other day and I don't I wish that I saved it. But essentially the the the comment was something like this young man.

He was a white kid that was getting told that he's an oppressor and he's bad and because he's a male and he's white, et cetera, et cetera. And he was told all these things. And two years later, he's white etc etc and he was told all these things and two years later he's a girl if you are told if you're told that you are the the epitome of evil just by the nature of your skin color in your and your sex then then you're told but there's a way out of it by becoming a member of the LGBTQ community, some kind of queer, trans, gay, whatever. If you if you adopt that mantle, then you're no longer an oppressor. You're one of the oppressed. There's also the what is that going to do?

It's going to make a ton of weak young men say, I want to be in that group. And it's going to make another group, another portion of those young men that are defiant say, well, F you, then I'm going to go ahead and find the most offensive. And that's why we have a problem with Nazis and national socialists and stuff. And dudes with the real extreme right, because they're like, well, you're calling me all these things anyways. Those guys don't call all these things anyways those guys don't call me these things they don't hate me for who i am so why shouldn't i and in addition to people kids being pressured into feeling like they need to change their sex which i wouldn't be

surprised if that's happening there's the term ally which i've heard over the last i don't know eight years nine years i didn't really hear that before 2010 and that's someone that's just like okay fine i i'm on that i'm on their side they've picked a side and like what are you allying with exactly in that instance i don't i'm an ally of humanity you know just in general people it doesn't have to be uh lgbtq or or whatever i think to to sympathize with the specific cause like that is weird right well i've always said this whole thing with with the classrooms now because now you have teachers who they're hell bent on i'm going to teach your children to call me zay zum or whatever it is

i'm going to you know i'm going to show up in class dressed like this and kids who are naturally curious are going to ask hey you know who are you why are you dressed like this oh and kids who are naturally curious are going to ask, hey, you know, who are you? Why are you dressed like this? Oh, well, now it's my chance to educate you. I've always said, when did parents lose the right to say, I'm not comfortable with this? You know, I don't want you talking to my child about this. If you can't show up in class and looking professional, then I don't want you there. If I show up to a class from wearing a huge cross, I'm told to take it off because take it off because I don't want you spreading your religion in class. Kids are going to start asking about that. I'm uncomfortable with that. But I can show up with a rainbow shirt with the new LGBTQIA plus

LMNOP flag and with green hair, with horns growing on my head and kids go hey look at you what are you oh now it's my chance that's smiled upon when did parents lose the right to say you know what no that's not cool i don't want that well you're hateful if you do that man yeah exactly i honestly i think that the the right to do that was lost when the argument over teaching teaching reproductive stuff in schools was, you know, when when the schools were empowered to teach, you know, teach the reproduction of I forget what it is. Sex ed. There you go. When the schools were like, OK, we're going to teach sex ed. And parents were like, well, we're uncomfortable with our kids learning at this age. And the parents lost the ability to say, don't teach that to my kid at this time. I want to decide when my kids learn this stuff.

Once that was lost, then it was all downhill after. Is there no, like parents don't have to sign off on that anymore? It's just automatically? Yeah. Because when I was in school, I remember when I was in school, they sent the curriculum home. They said, this is exactly what we're going to be talking about. This is the guidelines and sign off on it. Yeah.

Remember, when COVID happened, there were a ton of parents that learned that their kids were being taught things that they had no idea. That's a big part of why this kind of stuff got out, like the LGBT training or schooling and stuff. Kids didn't, you know, parents didn't know that their kids were learning this stuff and then when covet happened and they had the remote learning parents looked in on their classes and they were like what in god's name is going on at that school and people started to make a stink and that was when you know the then the biden administration you know when the the Biden administration got in, they started calling parents, you know, problems, calling the FBI to to monitor the parents because they were saying we have a problem with our our children learning these things. The federal government really had had taken the position that children were the responsibility of the federal government and parents were only to look after them when they weren't in school i remember a story where this uh this mother shader uh kid watch um doing schoolwork at the kitchen table right she was doing her doing the schoolwork and she was in the kitchen doing her

thing and she's listening in the background and then she hears about this weird ideology that's going on and for i remember the story i don't know what they were talking about specifically but it was like this whole where you are can be who you want to be, transgender, critical, what's it called? Sex, what? Critical sex theory? What's it called? There's critical gender theory, critical race theory.

There's critical theory in general. Right, but they were talking critical gender theory to this young person, and it just blew her mind. She's like, where the heck, where the F did this come from? She had no idea what was going on. For example, Phil, because that stuck out in my brain. It's still stuck in my brain. She's just chilling there.

You know, you're chilling in your house and you're having a good time. And the kids go to school. Next thing you know, they're getting taught this weird stuff. And you're like, wait a second. Hold on. Where did that come from? That's weird. Crazy.

Well, this also goes along with all of a sudden parents started figuring out that in their children's library, there are books that graphically describe how they give oral sex and everything. And the parents are like, wait a minute. Like, wait a minute. You've got pictures here. You've got descriptions. What's going on here?

And then you have the left go, oh, well, you just want to censor these books. No, I don't. I just, I don't want a book like this in my child's classroom. And that's where you, that's why I keep asking, when did parents lose the ability to say, I'm not cool with this. I'm not comfortable with this. I don't have to go along with it.

And then the left tries to figure out why the right is now considering homeschooling or moving so much into homeschooling. It's because you guys took the educational curriculum and went nuts with it. Yeah. I think we need vouchers. Oh, absolutely. We need choice. We need school choice, right? Because private school solves a lot of these problems.

You choose the school that has the values that you like, but not everyone can afford to forego the taxes that they paid for public education and pony up extra money for private school. Why don't we have school vouchers? Because we don't want parents to be able to choose? I mean, it seems like it, right? You just gave yourself your own answer. Yeah.

I mean, I think that that actually kind of goes without saying. The federal government, you can listen to the way the Democrats talk, and they say it openly. They may not intend to say it openly, but they do. The way they talk about our children and the things that our children, you know, and I think Hillary Clinton said something along the lines of, you know, they're all of our children. They're not just your children. And, you know, they take the idea that the children of america are what are the actual future of america and they say well because of that it is they're too valuable for parents to raise we have to raise them the

right way and really what they end up doing is destroying a significant amount of them you know if you've got i don't know how many kids graduate from college per year, but I think it's on the – yeah, Google that for me. But if you get just, say, 5% of the kids that graduate from school, from college every year, and they are activists, right? And they're actually activists for the Democrat cause. 4.16 million students. 4.16 million. From post-secondary and post-graduate programs so if you get just five percent of that as activists every year you know every couple years you every few years you get a

million new activists in the country and if they're committed and they are too you and they are yeah absolutely if they're committed to things like this then you're going to have a significant population looking to change the makeup of the country, the political makeup of the country. I feel like there was an essence of critical censorship theory that seeped in that we sort of maybe glazed over because, OK, in 2010 and 11 and 12, all of a sudden social media started to censor people. And there was this backlash of like censorship bad generally across the board.

It's not. First of all, censorship itself is neutral. If it's used improperly, it's horrible. If it's used properly, it can protect people from seeing the most egregious, horrific things, especially young children being exposed to porn or violence or things that you need to really protect young kids from. So the argument is, how dare you censor this book? Censorship is bad. Censor, dude, just because it looks like a cartoon, just because it's in a book with a little parrot, little cartoon parrot doesn't mean it's okay to show people and you do need censorship. So there's, there's got to be a balance on the censorship. It's just a general social conversation of what do we censor? How do we censor it? And you know, that's, but it's,

it's important to remember that censorship itself is not the problem. I think where we censor is really important, right? Like censoring at a school is a lot different, I think, than censoring on the internet, right? I think censoring social media, especially from a top down from a government perspective, deciding what's true and not true. I think when you're censoring adults like that, I mean, I can't think of a reason why that's good. That seems just objectively bad to me,

but I hear you with like, uh, you know, keeping horrible graphic violence, porn, whatever, certain things out of the eyes of children and out of elementary schools and whatever.

That's where I'll bend a little bit on, on my point of view. Cause like the, the book you were mentioning earlier about how it was showing young kid to do like oral sex or whatever it is, or it just showed a young person doing that. I'm on the team of censor that from school. But if they want to sell it at Barnum bookstores, let them sell it at the bookstore. Maybe this is semantics.

But I think that when it comes to what goes into a library or what goes into a school, that's just curation, right? Like you curate the information that goes into a school, that goes into a library, and that's not the same thing as censorship, at least as far as I'm concerned. If you can buy something on Amazon, but say, like when they say, oh, you know, Florida's banning books and censoring books, Florida did no such thing. Florida curated what was actually available in the schools, right?

They didn't say that Amazon couldn't sell this book. They didn't say that if you're caught with this book, you'll go to jail. They said these books aren't going into schools. And there's nothing wrong with the state curating what is and is not appropriate or what doesn't does and does not go into schools based on what they find is and is not appropriate for schools. That's not censorship. That's not book banning. Doesn't that sort of go along the same lines as as soon as the next president comes in, they just sign the pen and erase all the executive orders, right? I feel like it could be equally bad if a state had very different view than you and they decided to start censoring the books that you agree with and allowing the bad books.

So that's where I think even curation at a school level gets difficult because who gets to curate it? Do you get to curate it or do I get to curate it? In my opinion, it should be something that the parents have a say in, like the parents of the district. And that kind of stuff happens. Keep it local. Yeah, that kind of stuff happens when parents actually go to parent-teacher meetings. When parents go to the PTA,

the Parent Teacher Association, you need to go to your PTA meetings. If you have kids, go to your PTA meetings. Know what's going on in those schools. You might be right. Oh, what were you going to say, Zeke? This is why I'm a huge proponent for, I think there should be cameras in classrooms. I think there should be, if your kid is going into a certain classroom and you have no idea what the inside of that classroom looks like,

you failed as a parent. Just me personally, my wife and I, we've been inside outdoors classroom plenty of times. We know her teacher. We know her teacher's views. We know what her teacher is teaching, fine, well, and good. I'm the type to say, hey, let's take it a step further. However you want to protect the students, do so, but there should be something focused on the teacher so that we know exactly what that teacher is teaching. So at any point, I can pop in, I can replay it,

I can look at it and see that the teacher is teaching the curriculum. I can take a look around the classroom, make sure there are no crazy flags up. I can take a look around the classroom, make sure there's not kitty litter on the side for the kid who thinks that they're a cat. I think there should be all of it there. And that's also why I say who you vote for is very important because you don't want this person now saying, you know what? No, I don't want the Bible in there. And no, you can't wear a shirt with scripture on it.

But you know what? If you want to wear a shirt that's got a graphic picture of oral sex on it, go for it. Have at it. You can do whatever you want. Oh, you know what? Little Timmy over there thinks he's a cat and twice a day he He's gotta go in and poop in front of everybody in front of is that real? I believe it is I Believe it is why do we have cameras everywhere in the world in our country everywhere everything that that's important to us

Society except for watching our youth and make sure you see because of teachers unions the teachers unions don't know why Unions that's another huge project just break up all the unions every union unions nothing good to say about you you were kind of i think you might be right phil about curation versus censorship i did a quick search on it and it may be semantic but generally they're both forms of moderation and that the censorship is more about removing something whereas curation is deciding what gets seen. It's kind of like the positive versus the negative aspect of moderation. You can't have every book in every library. Like a synopsis for a school program.

And again, it's like if you can order a book, I saw someone in the chat was complaining about someone's book being unavailable on Amazon. And it's like, okay, fair enough. Amazon doesn't want to carry it. I would prefer to see books available on Amazon, but does that mean that you can't go to the author's website and buy it? Does it mean that you can't go to the publisher's website and buy it?

Is it unavailable? Is it against the law to print it? Exactly. And again, to me, that's what I think of when it comes to censorship, right? The idea that the government says this book, the information in this book is outlawed, not, hey, this is inappropriate to put in front of children. What about what about like the social media example? What about the Twitter files? What about Hunter Biden's laptop? Right. That's sort of curation because you're saying this can't go on a social media platform. You're not saying you're going to go to jail if you say it per se. So that's, you know, a little gray area.

I think that because of the goal that was politically, it was basically saying that the Biden administration was saying, if you publish that, we're going to come down on you. So expect your taxes to go up, expect to be investigated, expect to be called and harassed and everything else like that. To me, that's censorship. To me, that's the government getting involved in private business and saying, what you're not going to do is publish this about us for our own personal gain. And I think that's exactly what the Second Amendment was against the government going in and saying, we're going to decide what to put out there to the public.

First Amendment. First Amendment, excuse me, I'm sorry. You still need some government censorship like R-rated, X-rated movies. No, and that's fine fine because that I can understand. But if the president's son did something and the government, now specifically that president's administration, comes in and tells a private business, tells you personally, you know what? If you publish that, there's going to be retribution against you.

That is a violation, a direct violation of the First Amendment. I think it was Nazi-level censorship. I think that was egregious 21st century. Joseph Goebbels is looking at that from his grave and going, what the? I could have done that. Can we stop comparing everything to Nazis? It was just a horrific national social, like taking control of the private sector, trying to nationalize the power of the private. It was disgusting what they did what

the government did with censorship in that era it was horrible why didn't the nazis have a of a grasp on everything we do when there have been like 70 million killed by communists in china and stuff everything's compared to the nazis and the communists are just as good as i know banning books and banning stuff he's a white guy well the nazis it was publicized what they did was very public they were very like blatant about it so we know really well what they were doing yeah the nazis were very proud of the stuff that they were doing back in i mean at the time that type of top-down control that was all the rage like all over the world they're like you know fdr there there were there were things written by uh adolf hitler that were praising fdr and the things that fdr had done

yeah like because most of the governments of the world kind of were of the opinion they're like hey we've reached the point where technology is going to usher in the new the new age and we're going to be able to control everything and so government knows best we're the smart people and we should be in charge of this and that and etc etc a lot cetera. A lot of people looked at the Soviet Union and said, that's the future. That kind of system is the future. There were, you know, Durante was writing at the New York Times in praise of the Soviet Union and he was lying through his teeth. But he was like, this is the future. I've been to the future and it works. I've been there. I've seen it. And the idea of socialism and the government providing for all and ultimate abundance and stuff, that was something that was all the rage in the first half of the 20th century. And then it turns out that none of it worked, and it just killed millions and millions and millions of people. Way more than that guy. So, Serge, you ready to go to Super Chats, homie?

Serge with the top knot tonight. I don't know if there's a camera on that guy. He's very aggressive. Youge with the top knot tonight. I don't know if there's a camera on that. Top knot. He's very aggressive. You got your hair pinned up there. That reminds me of a character from the Dragonlance novels. Anybody read those when they were a kid? Yeah, a bit of it. Which character? Is it Rasslin?

No, it's Rasslin. Rasslin didn't have the top knot. He was the little one, the elf dude that had the top knot. I forget his name. The small one. With the dual wielded weapon? No, no. He was a...

I forget what he was. He was the one that had the wanderlust. He couldn't stay in one place. I forget his name. Anyways, we're going to go to Super Chats. I'll stop running my face about Dragonlance and D&D stuff. No. Sorry.

So, yeah, I mean, look. I played Magic. I played D&D. I started doing it, guys. FYI, throwing it out there. I've been failing it the last couple of months, but I did it for a couple of months. It's fantastic. I was so surprised at how these nerds and geeks have fun.

It's a good time, D&D is. It is very fun. I agree. Pauly Puree says, first, yes. Yes, you were. Good job, Pauly. Good job. Shout out, Pauly.

Let's see. Neglectful Sausage says, Destiny's livestream yesterday. He said, Elon is a neo-Nazi, and neo-Nazis can appreciate other cultures and love them, and aren't necessarily white supremacists. This country's 50,

this country's 50 years of articles on them he is uh he is lying on purpose he's lying and saying those things because he's trying to misdirect from the fact that he recorded a woman having sex with him without her knowledge and then gave it to his homies allegedly is that confirmed oh there's there's okay yeah allegedly dispute about it well it's not not really in dispute there's a little dispute about it. Well, it's not not really in dispute. There's a pending court case and there are charges. That's felonious activity there. I don't think you're doing, homie. I don't think Elon's in any way like national socialists or Nazi.

Like the way he liberated Twitter from the government's control is like nothing that the Nazis, the Nazis would have went in the other direction they would have capitulated the left has been calling donald trump a neo-nazi all day for doing things that shrink the size of government which is completely antithetical to what the national socialists did like maybe like the people love to get into arguments about whether the the nazis were actually socialists or whether they weren't or whatever. Most of the Nazis were socialists before they became national socialists. They saw that international and global socialism, communism wasn't going to work. And they're like, well, we want to go ahead and do the socialist stuff, but do it just for the German people, just for the white people that are in the Germans, the Aryan race.

So they were socialist. They were absolutely top down socialists you couldn't do what you wanted you didn't have individual rights you were all the stuff you were doing was for the for the fatherland and stuff they were socialists but they weren't international socialists so you know but they still wanted the big government that was providing all kinds of things for the right people. Just they didn't want to provide things for everybody. It's such a watered down term because on X, I've been called a white supremacist and Nazi before. The black face of white supremacy. I'll tell them, listen, I think I'm going to fail the entrance exam if I go there. You totally would.

No, like the second they see me come in, they'll be like, turn around. No, no, no. If you put blue contacts in, you might be able to pass. I don't know. Like, you know, I think you can see me coming. Why is he here? No, he can't. So, I mean, it's such a watered down term.

It's what the left has done to themselves. And now everyone's won. It really, it really has. They water everything down. Yeah. I mean, well, they just, they go from... They got nothing but stupid words. They go from zero to Nazi, though.

Look at what they did to Anna Kasparian. Like, she's like, don't call me a birthing person. And they're like, you're a Nazi! I mean, to be fair, I went straight to communist with Kamala. Well, you know, her dad's a Marxist, you know? Her dad is a Marxist, and the things like... And he owned slaves, grandfather did. Really? Statements like

we can see what the future is unburdened by what has been or whatever. Those are communist phrases and stuff. Maybe she's not a full-blown communist, but she's talking about price controls. All of these ideas that have been tried by socialist

countries all throughout history that never work. Very directionally. I might be biased, but I agree with you. Maybe a little biased. Yeah. Destiny's a piece of garbage. Anyways. I'm surprised there's an audience that watches both shows.

Destiny's show and this show? He's been on this show multiple times in the past. There are hate watchers. There are hate watchers in every show. I have plenty of followers that don't like me at all i just i was with the hate watching yeah i've got guys who can't stand me like i'm like their most hated twitter account when i click when i click on their accounts following you and i'm like oh look at that john de cost costanzo says phil it was tasselff Burfoot. He was a kender similar to a halfling hobbit.

Thank you very much. Yes, it was Tasselhoff. He was absolutely a lot of fun. And if you're in D&D and you haven't read the Dragonlance novels, start with Dragons of Autumn Twilight. That's the first one. They're really, really cool books. So do that and then read the...

What are you doing down there? Serge is like, no, books So do that and then read the What are you doing down there? Serge's like, no, don't do that nerd crap Anyways, alright, what do we got here? Some super chats Okay, okay, okay, okay Isn't that Drizzit? Also, shout out Tactic Platy And Burtman

What's up, Tactic Platy? Hal Gailey says Great job taking up the mantle Phil Second day in a row No notification from YouTube IRL I want the two weeks till Christmas on a poster Oh really the art on a poster That's a good idea I mean look man

You'll have to talk to Tim about that But I will put the bug in his ear And see what he says That is a really good idea All of these skateboards should be on posters. That's actually not a bad idea, too. Artwork. People love artwork.

Yeah. You know? There you go. Or maybe the two weeks till Christmas. You're listening, Tim. Maybe the two weeks till Christmas artwork on a skateboard. Oh, yeah. It's awesome.

Okay, yeah. Same thing. Artwork. Love it. All right. Let's see here big 75 88 says the condoms were about money laundering isn't it always about money laundering down there you know just get the money in i mean i don't know if they were stuffing money in the condoms but you know like i said who

owns a condom business yeah right who owns the condom business uh dot focus says i'm confused you guys are speaking as if the 50 mil was truly for condoms it was obviously a lie for something else i don't uh i don't disagree i just don't have a good theory as to like what it actually was you know um but again you know they they do seem to be quite crafty and making condom bombs seems like something that like they were, you know, interested in doing. I don't know. What do you guys think? Do you think that they were there? Do you have any theories as to what the was 50 million in condoms or is that just a cover or what?

I mean, 400 condoms per adult male at the 25 cent a condom price. That doesn't seem realistic. I guess it probably is for something else. I mean, it is money laundering, right? What it was, I have no theory on that. I mean, your Biden official dismissed it as calling it a feverish dream, the whole story. This is from the Times of Israel. Yeah, this is from earlier today.

A feverish dream that was announced during the White House press conference. This whole thing is a feverish dream that it's not real apparently i'm still looking into it i want to find out where they paid what company got the money for the condom mission i mean listen i know some guys who ran up their body count numbers in college but uh 400 you know listen that's that's impressive but uh yeah it that's like actually a great point. It really could be just a money laundering game. Okay, so they said it's possible that 50 million is put aside for sexual health or something of that nature, which would include gynecology, many other services, but definitely not condoms alone. This is the statement from, I think this is Andrew Miller, the Assistant Secretary for Israeli-Palestinian Affairs under former President Joe Biden. Remember, the COVID came from a pangolin or from bat soup.

And that was the story that the Biden or the administration wanted us to believe. I loved the one theory that they were willing to rule out was the lab theory, right? That was the only thing that they say it wasn't. It definitely wasn't the Wuhan lab for infectious disease. We can have a five hour conversation on how crazy it is. Until it was.

It smells bad and how crazy and light they are light to everyone but everything it's a whole day's worth of talk stan goodman says panel do you think it's a detriment or a strength that the right doesn't march in lockstep like the left usually does for instance the h1b debate and israel gaza well i mean I think it's a sign that we're critical and free thinkers. I think it means that we are intelligent. I think it's bad strategy from a us-versus-them

perspective, obviously, right? Like, if we're not united and they are, it's going to be easy for them to have numbers on us over and over again. I think of it as a form of soft power. It's not overt, but it's the way forward. It's the way to create sustainable societies. It can be destroyed, which it's vulnerable,

but it's the way forward. And it's very healthy. We need to have, we can't all be freaking robots. We can't have the right wing woke mind virus. We have to be our individuals and have our own thoughts. So it's very healthy for our side, I believe. I mean, listen, for certain topics, do I wish we were a little bit more lockstep and let's all get together and make sure this happens? Sure. But I don't know anyone

where I agree with them 100% all the time. So like you said, I think it shows that we're more critical thinkers. We're more independent thinkers. we're not afraid to call each other out or our own stuff. And I prefer that than being in a party where, you know, hey, listen, you're going to say this, and you're going to say that, you're going to say this, and you're going to say that, okay, everybody break. You know, I'd rather have that. I think that I think overall, it's a benefit to the to the right, because they do will find, you know, we will find, I feel like it is more likely that we will find the right idea. Fine-tune it? Be able to fine-tune the ideas. And the only time that I would say that it's actually a negative

is when it comes to Congress because the margins are very thin. And so I do think that I would like to see Congress fall in line behind whatever the, the, uh, would you do it? Would I, what would you fall in line on an issue that you felt strongly about?

I ain't going to Congress, but if you were right, so I would not want to ask anyone who I vote to represent me. I would not want anyone that spineless in office. To be honest, I wish that the left and the right all voted independently based on what they actually believe that's the country i want to live in i i like you will not tell me that because i'm a member uh of the republican party

that i need to feel a certain way on a certain issue i just won't do it i think that it depends on the context that you're in so right now now, the the margin, the the actual the lead that. We have the both the Senate and the House, as well as the Supreme Court. And if you look at the direction the country went in, the whole country shifted right. There was not one. There was not one county that flipped to the left, not one Kamala Harris picked up zero counties. So because of the context, I do think that it's like, hey, you should probably fall in line. Now, if things were different, if the margins were bigger or if there if there was not a clear, clear shift from the Republican, from the the country to say we want to see more right leaning

policies, we're sick of the things the Democrats have been doing. If that were not the case, then I would think that your your argument would be compelling. But I think because of the context that we're in, I would like to see Republicans kind of fall in line and say, look, even if I'm not in love with this, I think that Donald Trump has a mandate. The American people have made it clear that they want to move away from the policies of the left. And we need to get policies that are going to make the voting public happy. We need to make those happen. This is also why, A, I think we should have term limits

because it would get rid of a lot of the selfish interests. And then, B, you have to also understand when you are elected to this position, it's no longer about you and what you think. You have to go back to your constituents, maybe say, hey, listen, I didn't like this. I'm not in love with this. Matter of fact, I might hate it, but you all put me in a position to vote on this.

And like you said, Phil, this is the direction the country is going in. These are the mandates that are in. And you know what? If it's for the common good and it's for the betterment of the country, however I feel on it, we're going to go forward. That's subjective, though, if it's for the betterment of the country but however i feel on it we're gonna go that's subjective though if it's for the betterment of the country right issue by issue well you're

representative of your people who voted for you and for one more thing remember it we gone are the days that there are multiple bills that get passed we're gonna get two bills we're gonna get an omnibus bill and we're probably gonna get an immigration bill and that those are the only bills and everyone's gonna stuff all kinds of pork in them so if the if the republicans want to get these bills passed they're gonna have to vote yes for a bill that has a boatload of stuff that they don't want can we get that can we get the next executive order to be no more omnibus bills no more please only only if we can own like if we can get magic to everyone gets to have a magic pony like we live in a in the real world and the situation is we don't have the votes to be able to do those kind of things so if you want to get anything passed like if you want to

get changes to the government passed the bill that's going to come up is going to have garbage in it and it's going to have more garbage than anyone's comfortable with and it's going to come up is going to have garbage in it. And it's going to have more garbage than anyone's comfortable with. And it's going to have enough garbage where your opponent, when it comes time for you to go back home and try to raise money and run, your opponent's going to say, look at what he passed. He passed this. He voted yes on this. He voted yes on this because it was an omnibus bill.

But the reason that you're going to vote yes on that is because it's going to have all the stuff you want and if you want to get a bill that has all the stuff you want to pass that means the democrats are going to say i see an opportunity to stuff my garbage in here too so you because of the fact that it's omnibus bills and this is not an endorsement there's probably the chat's probably going to lose their mind i'm not saying that i like this i'm talking about the reality of the way that the sausage is made in D.C. If you want to get things like border security passed, if you want to get things like the wall funded, if you want to get these things, if you want to make sure that we have the ability to get everybody that's here illegally out and make sure they have the funding to be able to do that and possibly prevent those things from becoming a problem next year,

then you're going to pass a bill that has garbage in it. You're going to have to take the bitter medicine along with the stuff that you want. And there's no way around it. I want a magic pony. It's fine to want that, but I'm telling you the conditions that we live in. Look at what happened during the debate. What was Kamala Harris's main thing she used against Trump? Oh, he didn't want the border bill.

He called his friends and told them not to vote for this bill. She didn't bring up the fact that there was so much pork stuffed in the same bill that the thing could have gone on a pizza and had toppings on it. No, she talked about he didn't want the border security bill. And when the left all talked about it, they made it seem as if the Republicans in Congress, they didn't want border security, they don't want more funding for police.

But you're making my argument. No, listen, I agree with you. I agree with you fundamentally, where I think every bill should be one page, a paragraph, maybe two at most, but we should be able to read the bill and know what's on it. If my six-year-old can't read it, it shouldn't be a bill. In fact at most, but we should be able to read the bill and know what's on it.

If my six-year-old can't read it, it shouldn't be a bill. In fact, I think all laws should be like that. Listen, listen. Shoulda, coulda, woulda. I love all the things you're saying. I agree with it, but we live in a- Executive order, baby. We live in-

We couldn't deport people two weeks ago. Now we can. Listen, you can make the executive order, but it has to be a law that's going to be able to stand. So we got to keep going, though. We got more super chats. Just Cause I'm Free says, Day two of telling everyone to call your reps and senators.

We need cash. Tulsi and RFK Jr. approved. Also, HB 38 is a national constitutional carry law. Let's make 2025 our year and hold our representatives' feet to the fire and get past what we can. I love it. I love it. I love it. I love it. I think it's going to die, but call your representatives because of all the stuff that I just

went through. There's not going to be single bills, but if you can get that stuffed into the omnibus, I'm there with you. That's a possibility. So if we can get that bill stuffed into the omnibus that everybody's going to want to pass then we could see something happen but it's not going to pass on its own and the only reason it's not going to pass on its own is because nobody wants to

i think that's a root problem with our country the fact that we that we that if if you're going to pass this i'm going to pass this then we just end up with a bunch of shit and who's in charge couldn't agree with you more but that's that that it doesn't change the situation that we have. Like, I agree. Like, again, I none of what I said is is something that I'm happy about. But I'm just talking about the reality of getting bills passed in D.C. right now, especially with the very narrow, very narrow majority we have it's not if we had you know if we had 300 republicans in the house and 65 in the senate we could change the whole country absolutely do it do and and believe me if we can get those people in i i'm here for it absolutely i want it but we don't have that and i love your i love your enthusiasm and your idea but like was was Phil saying, bro, it's reality.

We got a bull in the china shop, man. Let him break some stuff. That's what I'm saying. It's like term limits. It's like term limits. Term limits would solve a ton of problem we have, but these elected officials aren't going to vote to restrict themselves. So it's up to the people.

But with that said, in the perfect world, hey, listen, yeah, we'd have term limits. We'd have single item bills that came out and we'd be able to say, hey, listen, I like that. I don't like that. I like that. I don't like that. And you know what? My representatives are going to vote the way I want them to do.

But we don't live in the perfect world. We got to live in the real world. And this is what it is. Penny, there's a method to get exactly what you want. It's an Article 5 Convention of States. You want to go around washington dc go ahead and and come up with all the votes you need to get an article article 5 convention of states and we can amend the constitution and if dc doesn't like it they can s a d because that's just the article 5 says this is what you're going to do you need two-thirds of the states to agree you know have the have the

convention get the amendments you want you want term limits you can put that into the constitution but you need to have an article 5 and you that's the only way you can circumvent dc well like six months ago i avoided politics like the plague by next year i'll be flipping california there you go you know i'm on i'm with you man i'm with you um extant man says i'm a i'm a recently retired 33 year old federal employee i asked many times to be allowed to work from home they asked how are you going to do that you're an air traffic controller not all feds are useless phil fair enough but does do do the air traffic controllers have to be federally? Does it have to be feds? I mean, could it be private?

And I don't know. I'm not the guy that's saying. They talked about the airport security privatizing that. I mean, you know. Oh, please. Private things are all right. Hopefully that gentleman's mental health is fine because I hear about air controllers, you know, S rate is very high. So I hope he's okay.

Yeah. Mark Connelly says, Trades are underappreciated. I'm a plant operations manager at a hospital system in rural South Georgia. We start maintenance technicians out at $25 an hour in very rural areas. Very good money for our area. That's true, you know, and I got love for the trades, and I think that millennials and Gen Z have been done a significant disservice by not being told, hey, look, this is a great way for you to earn a living.

They are now. They are now. Thankfully. I would love to preach that message more because I've been doing it for the last 15 years, and it's a beautiful trait. It's good money. It's good people. You learn things. You know, I had a water leak over the weekend. I was able to do this stuff myself. So it's so it's

so it's great. It's useful as knowledge. You know, I'm the family electrician. I'm the family construction guy. The anything they need to hit me up and they give me like pizza and beer. So I love it. I think it's a straight path to starting your own business. If you get a college degree, starting a business is hard, but if you start by doing trades and then you just like hire someone to help you hire another guy, such a straight path. Yeah. Cloth Swiss says as a Gen X, I'm disgusted by the weakness of the youth of this nation.

Job roles sit empty because the youth won't step up. Their failure leads to me making more money. Great for you. But I will say that the, the idea that it's hard to get people to do the job like that's a real thing that's something that tim has talked about a bunch getting uh getting people to actually do work and stuff like that's tough i've had a bunch of problems up in new hampshire trying to get people to come and do projects that i have at my house

and uh that is fair and it's real. You know, when you want someone that's skilled, you don't want someone that's like, you know, just going to be like, yeah, I can come and do it. I personally want someone that's bonded and insured because I want to make sure that I know that the work is going to be done properly. And so it's not super easy to find

people that are available and, you know, that are willing to go out of the way to come to a place like my place in New Hampshire that's in the woods. That's so whack. How do people not want to make money? Like you have a job, you have the skills, you can do it, but how do you not, how do they not want to make money?

I'm coming across this too much. All the guys that I talk to, they're like, well, you know, I'm tied up. So blah, blah, blah. It's going to, I'll get out there. Maybe like if you want to start the project next year is the kind of stuff that I get. It sounds like there's a lot of competition then that the really good people get booked out and that there's a lot of like mediocre people that are

available. So it's an opportunity for you to become really good at something like that. I was doing excellent on Craigslist when I was from the state of Pennsylvania as a welfare office, working from home and you know, COVID, which, you know, which I can represent. But I was, I was making well, decent cash out inside doing electrical work, and people hit me up left and right. So it's like he's got to do it, and he's got to know how to do it and be licensed, of course, as well.

Justice Gypsy says, Please send positive vibes and prayers and remembrance of my dog, Mishka. We just had to put him down to stop his suffering Sunday. I'm sorry to hear I am the biggest dog person that you're ever going to meet like i've never met a dog i don't like like there i'm i'm a huge dog fan and and it's a terrible thing when uh when it's time for them to to move on it's uh they're they're human beings owe dogs right like we created dogs they they they wolves. And then we created dogs by having them, you know, breeding them to be certain ways. So human beings have a debt to dogs.

And so we have to take care of them. And to be honest with you, dogs bring so much joy to so many people. Like, it's rough when they go. So, you know. Just a side story. My wife and I adopted a dog about four years ago that had been abused. And she didn't trust me at first because I guess I looked like the person who was abusing her. And it took me a while just for her to be comfortable with me.

And now she's very comfortable with me. She lays on me. And it's one of the greatest feelings in the world. It is. My condolences from all of us here. Wisco Luffy says, Grandma passed last

Monday. Lifelong Dem voted Trump, thanking her for planting the tree she wouldn't see the shade of. Hey, can you find a decent one that's not going to make us planting the tree she wouldn't see the shade of. Oh, man. Grandma. Hey, can you find a decent one that's not going to make it? To end on here, Serge. Rebel without a cause. I heard that ATR used to open for condom bombs.

I swear to God, I wouldn't be surprised if that was a punk band's name. That sounds like a great punk band's name. Condom bombs? Condom bombs, yeah. Someone trademark that. That i wouldn't be surprised if that was a punk band's name that sounds like a great punk band's name condom bombs condom bombs yeah someone trademarked that that's gonna be great i'm not i'm not really a fan of punk rock but condom bombs is definitely a good a good punk band name um dork tannin says this has nothing to do with anything but croissant is the best bread for roast beef sandwiches and i will fight over it man, you are not going to catch me dissing croissants. They are delicious.

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