Timcast IRL - Trump Orders Specialized National Guard Units To Combat Crime In Cities, Dems Furious w/ Andrew Wilson

Episode Date: August 26, 2025

Jack Posobiec, Phil, Shane & Tate are joined by Andrew Wilson to discuss Trump ordering a specialized National Guard force to combat crime in cities, the Trump adminitration to begin prosecuting the burning of the American Flag, Andrew Wilson debating Phil Labonte on legislating morality, and a judge blocking the deportation of Abrego Garcia to Uganda.   Hosts:  Jack Posobiec @JackPosobiec (X) Phil @PhilThatRemains (X) Shane @ShaneCashman (everywhere) Tate @RealTateBrown (X) Serge @SergeDotCom (everywhere) Guest: Andrew Wilson @PaleoChristCon (X) |  @The_Crucible  (YouTube)

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Thank you. Thank you. What's up guys? The POSO cast has begun. So Jack Posobic here, host of Human Events Daily, filling in for the great Tim Poole, who hit me up this morning and said, look, I need some help. Can you come on in? I said, I'm more than happy to do so. So Tim is currently on the mend, and we'll see. Perhaps he might even be here tomorrow. So we'll see. But in the meantime, you got me. And no, no beanie tonight. I said, guys, I'm. I'm not doing it. The hair, it was looking a little too nice today, so I couldn't do it. But what else is looking nice? I love some of the stories that we have tonight. I'll run through them just a little bit. Trump mobilizing the National Guard across 19 states. Law enforcement ICE, we're going to dig into this. Specialized National Guard unit, CNN, of course, freaking out. We love it. Then, of course, we know we're going to get into this one, and you know we were going to

get into this, prosecuting the burning of the American flag. Is this a longstanding American bedrock tradition? Is this our freedom? We'll see. Obama appointed the judge saying that the trumpet man was forbidden from deporting Kilmar-Abrego-Garcia. This is just breaking news. So I want to, actually, I hadn't even read that before he started here. So they're saying you can't get rid of him. We'll see about that. And then, of course, if we get into it, a couple other stories, the back of the end. But before we get into our guests, I want to tell you

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for that year, you're going to need some cast brew coffee. So, Serge, light up the coffee. You got to get something. But I want to introduce our guests and very excited to be sitting down, Andrew Wilson. Hey, how's it going? Thanks for having me. I really appreciate it. And also to disagree with your ad, no, be gay. Don't be gay. Don't do it. There's a choice, though. You could have one or the other. Yeah, I know, I know, but you should just make the right choice. That's honest. Yeah, you can find me on YouTube at the Crucible. We also streamed to Rumble there. And we're in the Rumble top 10 for the extravaganza. You can find us there every day at 5 p.m. I co-host with Jake Rattlesnake. He's been on the show as well.

And you can find me on Twitter X at PaleoCryscon. Yeah, I've seen your stuff on X, seen your stuff that go viral. People have actually asked me, they said, when are you going to do something with Andrew Wilson? I said, well, we're doing it today. Doing it today. There we go. All right, let's go around the room. What's up? I am Shane Cashman. I host Inverter World Live Monday through Thursdays. I go live tonight at 10 o'clock. Right after this show, I'll be running out of here at 940 to go host my show down the road we will be talking about underwater UFOs and fans of the show will know we have a caller calling in tonight who's a sergeant who knows about mars yes who knows about

antarctica and he's got a lot to say about this hostile probe that's heading towards earth so we'll see you guys there oh man i know i want to see that tate what's up dude what's up tate brown here holding it down it's the new catch from working that in there we're getting there they've been filling in the morning shows you got to see this morning we had an interview with Nick Sorder. It was excellent. We discussed the crackdown. We didn't know what it's a unit, squad, move. There's a lot of different words we could use, but we're going to use the crackdown nationwide. It's going to be a beautiful thing. So we're going to get into that. That's great. Yeah, we'll talk about that. Hello, everybody. My name is Philibanti. I'm the lead singer

of the heavy metal band, All the Romance. I'm an anti-communist and a counter-revolutionary. Let's jump right into it. All right. Jump writing in. Yeah, of course. So I love the CNN headline on this, by the way. So Trump signs executive order establishing specialized. You can hear the breathlessness that they're writing. Insightity. National Guard units. Yeah, how many SSRIs went into this? You know they wanted to put Stormtroopers there.

They're so close to writing stormed. And look at the, look at the graphic, right? Just this, oh my gosh, look at them. Just marching along. Totally out of the annex. Soldiers, you know, so specialized units specifically trained and equipped to deal with public order issues.

So they're talking about specific units, specialized units of what, okay, I understand what's, in the first paragraph, I already understand what they're talking about. So, specialized units, they're talking about crowd control. They're talking about crowd control units, all right? Don't, like, just, just, it's so obvious that they, they could use, and I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, obviously, have just said, it's crowd control units. That's what we're looking at. We're looking at people who are designed, I believe, um, and any army guys in the chat, correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that's a version of the military police. I think it's an MP, uh,

designator that goes in under that and then it's riot control basically and who has that because they have the ones who have training for like law enforcement. They have a little bit more training in terms of how to deal with those situations. And that's where they're sending in so specialized units. It sounds so much, so much scarier when you say it that way. But also, and this is what they're losing their mind about, they're losing their mind that Trump is saying 19 more cities potentially Chicago. Andrew, what do you think? Well, I saw, new scum and he was he was going to town about this and saying that it's all a ploy by Trump in order to steal the midterm elections and that's why they're mobilizing troops

all over the place now this of course was carry over from his massive embarrassment when his little his little speech got raided by ice which was hilarious it was hilarious but this is what they're they're all upset about the truth is is that there used to be an ongoing meme that we would lose more people in Chicago today than we did in the Afghanistan war. During the war and terror, I remember this. And it's true. That's been going on. Now, people forget, go back to when Trump gave his very first victory speech. You remember they were, all the commentators were saying it's about strength because he said, American carnage, the days of American carnage are over. So this shouldn't be a surprise to people. Trump's been talking about doing this for a long time. He talked about doing it

when he was running the first time he talked about possibly mobilizing the military to go into these places where we're losing more people than we were in legitimate wars. So I think it's a good idea. I would like to see more troops. I'm curious how many of the 19 cities in question, how many of them have Democrat mayors? Probably all of them. I mean, so they asked him this question in the Oval Office earlier today and they said, you know, are you going to be sending troops to red cities and he just gives the reporter a look like what what red cities does anyone know any reds can we name these red cities have you heard of these red cities there are no red cities and even in some of the large cities where you may nominally have a republican mayor or you know new york's got

an independent right now like this city is still blue still it's still very very blue the point being is is they've allowed that you know blueness or whatever the liberalism and soft on crime approach because you have to consider the rights and the interests of the criminal actually coming before the rights of tourists, citizens, children, family. Think about New York. But any of those people who actually have much more of a right to those streets than the criminal does. Well, look at like San Francisco, look at many of these places where you have junkies in the street in a zombie-like state. You guys remember seeing all those videos? Of course. They're going through they're scanning them and these guys are just hanging there like it's like it's night of a living

so i'm from the philly area and we've got a place like that called kensington and they actually refer to it now as kensington beach um and you can go on instagram and find like kensington beach accounts or whatever and you can get like t-shirts that say kensington beach because there are so many people laying out that it looks like they're at the beach because it looks like they're sun tanning or something let me ask you something don't you consider it i know it's not constitutional treason but in your mind isn't it somewhat treasonous that the mayors of these cities and governors of these states essentially are soft on crime in order to placate a minority, a minority group whose votes they want. It's part of them bribing the electorate, right? And so the idea that, hey, I'm going to send the military in

because you won't do your job, which we saw during the California riots, I watched them every single night live, covered them on multiple cameras. We were watching them get into fights with the police, burning the squad car, setting fires, we would call it dumpster mo. We would call it dump, the next dumpster mo when they would put the dumpsters up and start fighting, right? They told the police, obviously, to stand down. I mean, we were watching it. They told them, stand down, don't do anything, right? Let them do what they're doing until Trump sent in the Marines.

And that put a stop to it, and their little day of rage didn't really go off as well as they had hoped because there was some military there taking care of it. And it's like, at some point, we're going to have to look at this and say, if these guys won't enforce the laws and we're losing, you know, four, six, 10, 12, 16 people a day, eventually someone's going to have to put it into the carnage. How much do you think that it's, how much do you think that it's about the voters in the, you know, specific metropolitan areas or whatever, and how, or versus how much do you think it's about actually placating people in a PR move? Because I feel like, it's both. Because I feel like, it's not, it's not, one's not excluding the other. The thing is, is Democrats work in unison for

national campaign PR. You're right about that. There's no doubt about that. But you still also have your localized elections. And the truth is, is that they are pandering to minority groups as much as possible for lighter sentences, things like this. So they seem to want to move towards rehabilitation, even though there's no rehabilitation going on. In Philadelphia, no matter how bad the murder rate has gotten, Larry Krasner, the Soros DA, just keeps getting reelected over and over and over. So I think this speaks to what you're saying, that it's in a very odd way of putting it, they keep voting for murder. Wouldn't that be a lot of that? have to do with outside money and outside influence, though?

Yeah, NGOs, of course. NGOs are involved. Well, I mean, he's a Saurus, DA. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, NGOs are always involved in this, you know what I mean? But the question here, what we're moving down to is this, if these people will not stop this, if these Democrats won't stop it, how does it get stopped? Part of the reason why I asked that, and I push back on the idea, is just because you see

so many videos coming out of D.C. where people that are actual residents that are like, this is great. I can drive around in my car with the window open in the summer, and I don't feel like I'm going to get car jacked. I don't feel like blah, blah, blah. There are a lot of people that are posting these things on the internet saying, look, it's much safer. And I know that the people that are most upset about crime in an area

are the people that live there. So I feel like there's, I mean, not that I've done any kind of, you know, any kind of surveys or deep dive on this. This doesn't feel like pushback. This feels like. Okay, so fine, but I just want to unpack it. You know what I mean? What you're highlighting, though, what you're highlighting is that there is a disconnect between the actual experience and the interests of the citizens and the preference

reflected. Yeah, if they're getting good results from this policy, why don't they vote for this policy when they have the chance? Well, also the people that are getting disenfranchised the most when these cities fall apart is the people in the suburbs, because those are the descendants of people that were pushed out of those cities a few decades back. I wanted to ask you, an incredible point, but I also want to ask you about your conversation with Dick. Grab a coffee and discover Vegas-level excitement with Bed-MGM Casino. Now introducing our hottest exclusive, Friends, The One with Multi-Drop. Your favorite television show is being reimagined in your new favorite casino game,

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But that being said, it'll give us, I think, some clue as to the sort of things that we might be seeing in Chicago in these other 19 cities. Yeah, yeah. I mean, the point he made was obviously there's not a clear pathway. Like, for example, to Chicago. He said something that could be a possibility to make this work would be a, If the Cook County Sheriff deputize federal agents, but once again, that all depends on who the sheriff is of the county. Well, it still also comes down to, so the way I understand most of it is that it still comes

down to if you're in further. So federal agents can always, always obviously be involved in a enforcement of federal law. So if you can find a nexus, like say, I don't know, gun trafficking or something or ATF where they're, you know, they're breaking gun laws. Yeah, interstate commerce. Interstate commerce. Now all of a sudden. Well, just interstate.

Like the second you go interstate becomes federal, right? Right. So the second, the gun leaves the border, now it's a federal crime. And now they can get, yeah, now they can get involved. And so, yeah, that's one reasonable pathway. The truth is, though, it's like, what I saw during those riots was just the show of force calmed things way down. Not at first.

At first, you know, people wanted to make an example of it. And so they wanted to go fight with the Marines, but that didn't last very long. and it did seem like it calmed that entire order down very, very quickly. We were very disappointed, you know, the big heyday. We all had our popcorn, you know, we all had our beer. We were live. I was there with the audience and we're like, this is it, boys, we're finally going to watch him get wrecked in the streets.

This is going to be, and they just stood down. It was, and it's because the Marines were there. It was beyond that. It was like a demoralization effect because they realized, oh, there's three more years of this. We're not going to stop this. Huge change from the summer of love where they felt like, okay, we have her foot on the gas and there's a year left. But the counter PR, like to your point, the counter PR is the progressives are going to say,

these are Nazi stormtroopers who are coming in from a fascist president and the whole idea is to seize power. They can't tell you the pathway to that, though, right? Because there is no pathway. There's no pathway to how President Trump mobilizes the guard for crime-ridden areas and then seizes control of the country. They can never tell you that part of it because they're just making it up. The truth is, is that this country's been riddled. Some of these places have been riddled so badly. Like you said, you can't have your window open.

There's places my wife won't go. She's not going to go any of those places in some of these major cities. And that's in Michigan. Chicago's not that far away. And yeah, man, they're taking people out there left and right. Tate makes a point frequently that we're kind of a vibes-based country, like the United States really, really kind of votes and acts based on how they feel far less. than actual, you know, evidence or whatever. And I think that I think he's right.

And I think that it works both for the right and for the left. Like the left has the vibe that Donald Trump is this authoritarian. And look, anything that they can come up with that confirms their feelings or how they, you know, their preconceived notions, they're going to say, look, this is, this is it. This is all the, I mean, how many times have you seen someone from on the left, right, excuse me, a think piece about how bad Donald Trump is and how he's a Nazi and stuff. and it doesn't matter what the policy is. Everything confirms their preconceived notion. Yeah, I agree with that. So you're talking about people giving into intuition over reason and logic.

Yeah, I understand. But you still have to temper one of the best ways to temper that PR is with logic. They don't have to do shit. Well, they don't have to. But, I mean, the appeal to the electorate is we still do have to use some sort of reason here. And I always ask progressive the same thing. Show me the path. Show me the path for how Donald Trump mobilizes the military to seize control of the country.

First of all, there's no way generals would ever go for that in a million years or commanding officers or anybody else. They're simply going in to try to do something about these crime-ridden areas, which is a thing Trump talked about in his first term on its very first speech when he said American carnage is over. He's been wanting to do this for a long time. So I don't even know what they're freaking out about. I would even go a step further. I've been kind of talking about this thing behind the scenes. I wrote this piece not too long ago talking about how Trump is a city concert. and that city conservatives are just functionally and fundamentally different from rural

conservatives. And people are saying like, are you saying they're better? No, no, no, I'm not saying anyone's better or worse. They're formed differently. It's just that, yeah, they're formed differently. It's that it's that Donald Trump and the MAGA movement, you know, the MAGA movement was born on a golden escalator on Fifth Avenue, New York City, which is just fundamentally different than sort of the George W. Bush conservatism, which evokes this kind of, you know, like a small town aesthetic and a pickup truck and a six-pack. And yeah, those are all cool things. But they're just fundamentally different. And whereas the city conservative, it really is more law and order focused. And I actually remember Trump- Well, it has to be. Once. Yeah, he mentions

once that it was the Freddie Gray riots back in 2015 and Melania when they were burning Baltimore down. And Melania was watching that with him. And she said, and he'd been kind of kicking around, okay, 2016, do I want to run? He hadn't in 12. And they were watching that on TV and her turning him and just saying, look at this. You have to, you have to run. And so it was those images of the breakdown of law and order because in order for a city to be a city, right? In order for a city to be formed, it must be, you know, it has to be red-coded, right, at the very beginning, or else, you know, I'm sorry, like the libs, you're not going to build a city. Like, you just, you never will. It's not going to happen. And you need to have.

those laws to establish that order from the chaos to begin with or else you're just going to get chaos, which is what we have now. And so the city conservative is basically formed and activated by having all of that stolen from them. And they're fighting to get it back, rather than conserving. Yeah. But isn't what's happened, what usually happens here is when they send, you know, troops or anything like this or even feds to come in and try to put an end to carnage going on in a major city, you have small splinter cell groups like, Antifa, things like this, who are NGO funded, even though we can't seem to find the NGOs, they're NGO funded.

Don't they go in and purposely agitate in order to make it seem like the people are really against this, the people hate this. This is really fascist and oppressive. They're always trying to optically make it seem that way, even if it's really not that way. I think it's a great point. I think you're going to get, I think you're definitely going to see an activation of Antifa groups in, especially in places Portland, Seattle. probably Chicago as well.

Seattle for sure. That when Kyle Rittenhouse happened, and even though that was Kenosha, they, they had driven up from Chicago. So that was all groups of people from Chicago that had gone to Kenosha. So there are pretty sizable and well-formed organizations still there. And unfortunately, with the exception of Georgia, which I've actually said, Governor Kemp in Georgia has done a great job of rolling these guys up. And so Georgia is the one example.

You're mentioning the NGOs. They actually went after the NGOs. They went after the bundlers, when they were going after that Cop City, you know, training center they were talking about. And they rolled up all of these people that were raising money for Antifa. And yes, what a surprise. They were actually finding NGOs, quasi-legal groups that were funding all of it. Of course.

So that hasn't been done nationwide. And the purpose is for optics, right? And there could be something here, and I'm glad you bring this up, to kind of draw that poison out, right? Another way for us to maybe start following the money back to other NGOs who are funding these types of groups. And yes, the idea here, they are going to try to make it an obstacle disaster by agitating whoever, you know, whoever comes in to enforce law and order and make it seem like these are, these are fascists. They're here to take your rights and beat you in the streets and things like this when actually they're agitating the law

enforcement, right? So I agree, Andrew, with your take on it, these mayors and governors being treasonous. And that's a good reason to go into these cities and clean them up. I'm also for tactical strikes against riots, but I am uneasy cheering on military presence in these cities if it's a sustained presence. And because I'm not confident that the rights going to hold power after Trump. And I see these people weaponizing that against us, once again, whether it's on J-Sixers or if there's a quote-unquote plague happening and they want to rip you out of your homes. I was in New York in 2020. And they were trying to pass a bill where they could just rip me out of my house, you know?

So that's like, that's my only problem with something like this is what they can do with this precedence in the future. Well, let me ask you a question then. I understand your concern. Which, I mean, to your point, though, it's not just a precedent that Trump is setting because they were doing this during COVID, right? So you already had Democrat governor, Tim Walts, you know, was sending around stuff to enforce these lockdowns. And you can all see videos about this. On a state level. On a state level, right.

They weren't, Biden didn't send up. the military to this degree. You, he did in D.C. And D.C., which is, I'm fine with D.C. I have no problem with D.C. Because it's D.C. Well, just to ask you a quick question, still in your position. I don't disagree.

I think the precedent is kind of already. You're saying, hey, look, if the military is deployed, now we have a precedent, possibly against posse comitatis, something like this. And so that could carry over to Democrat administrations, which are then used to oppress you. That's the basic position. My question to you would just be, what would the, what could you even think of as an alternative that the president could do from a law enforcement perspective to enforce any of the laws in these places where dozens of people in some cases are murdered daily. Yeah, I know. And I do want

these safer cities, but I see it having to happen on a local level and making the people, unfortunately, I have to vote for a better mayor. Like we had it in Julianne. We had it in Giuliani. We had it with Giuliani in New York City. He did clean up the city after a really bad time. Yes. And I was very appreciative of that, despite him sending most of those homeless to my to him. I know. They destroyed him and they stopped, stop and frisk, and all of that stuff came back. On top of that, they destroyed him politically after that. I just am uncomfortable giving the president that much power in the local communities. But see what I mean? Unless it's a tactical show. I understand the concern, but it doesn't actually answer to the question. What's the

alternative? What? The local people voting for a local. Yeah, but how does the president affect that? The president should. I'm saying the president should be out. But this is, but this is, but this he's in. So this is the one thing he can do, which is within his power to do. And if these treasonous local officials refuse to enforce the laws because they get stand down orders from Democrats who are in the pockets of NGOs and everything else we just talked about, what else can he actually do at his disposal to stop that? Well, yeah, if we can all agree that it is treason. And I think these governors are collapsing these places on purpose because they want to, it's a war against the country. If that is, if we can all get along on that, then it's, it is a war. Well, they have. I think

We've been in a war without even defining. Yeah, we're not going to get along on that, right? But they have, they have already begun in some cases, you know, when you're talking about the lack of enforcement or refusing to enforce immigration laws, we've already seen indictments against mayors. Yeah. And potentially you could see more of that. And I think when it comes down to this immigration law and not just, you know,

refusal to follow, but even aiding and abetting, if you're someone who's done that, and it's been some smaller cases now. but I think that you could roll that out depending on what's done, right? If someone is to really cross that line. But these guys are within their authority to do this. They're within their authority to not enforce laws or give more minimum. That's what I'm saying if they cross the line. Yeah, but where's the line?

Like how many dozens more need to be dead daily before we move to this line? This is what I'm saying is like from the president down, the president of the United States, he has access to the soldiers of the United States. He's a commander in chief, okay? And he can deploy them foreign and domestic for whatever threat comes. up for the most part, even without an act of Congress, what else could he personally actually do? He can't actually do anything else. The framing of this is kind of ridiculous because they say, oh, Trump is doing this, Trump is sending this. It's all Trump,

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There's also these transnational narco-terror groups that are involved. In fact, I believe Stephen Miller mentioned earlier this morning in one of the briefings that they've, as they've taken more of a look at Washington, D.C., they're even finding a direct, this is going to sound crazy, guys. But did you know that the street gangs in our cities are getting their drugs from drug cartels? No way. Just go with me.

Slow down. Yeah, what about the... They don't go to the corner store like everyone else? I know! Jimmy Doar did a great piece. Everyone should go watch it, whether you like Jimmy Doe or not. He did a great piece on what's going on in D.C. And how they change the category of what crime is to make it look like crime has been going

down violent crime, when it actually hasn't. And he had... It's a great video. You can find it on his channel. I was just reviewing it, I think, two days ago. But what they do is, you got to, like with crime, it's all definitional, right? Right. So you just change the definition, and then you could add percentages to this other definition,

which should really go in this other violent category. Yes. And through this, they were able to kind of show to the public, well, crime's actually decreasing, well, violent crime, when it's not actually decreasing. Literally the plot of the wire. Yeah, and the entire thing is just nonsense. And so the question becomes, again, and this is the one I always come back to, and that I just, I have never gotten a good answer on, because I don't think there is one, right? It's like, no offense to you, there's just not a good answer for this.

What do you do if you have treasonous Democrats in charge of these cities and in charge of even these states who refuse to enforce the laws or add new minimums for the purposes of placating, you know, a minority constituency for the purpose of national PR, other than send in the troops to enforce the law. Our citizens are still suffering there. Our citizens are still getting killed. And in fact, he is the president of all American citizens. Yeah. So he has an obligation to do this, right? Like if he doesn't have the obligation, who does?

No, and it's very clear to your point, Shane, about, you know, what Giuliani did in New York, the broken windows, that he's obviously who was very closely related with Giuliani at the time, that they were working together. He was sort, you know, obviously on the economic side. Giuliani on the law enforcement side, but they turn New York from, you know, the taxi driver in New York and Robert De Niro

to this like amusement park and specifically Times Square. And, you know, everybody wants to go, but you, not that long ago, within living memory for, I would say, most people, it was not like that. And it was like that. And it became that way because of Trump and Juliani.

When Anderson Cooper's getting kissed on a penis by Kathy Griffin. In Times Square, right? And you're right. I mean, you're right about that. So he's clearly just trying to find a way to do that in every city. It's very clear that that played a huge role in his, you know, in his upbringing, in his life.

And he wants to be able to do that. I think that's obvious. Well, and I think that you bring up a legitimate concern. It is a legitimate concern. I can foresee how this could possibly come back to bite Republicans in the ass if it's the case that we set the precedent and then they're like, ha, ha, ha, ha, now it's being used. But I never want to say let's not do something because, oh, what if the

left does? Exactly. Because of blowback. Well, the thing is, the left is already proven that they will do things that are outside of the realm of normal. They do not care about precedent. They do not care about what, they don't even care about what's legal. They were arresting President Trump's his lawyers. So, if

they don't care, and then your reason to not exercise power when you have it is, oh, well, the Dems will, they're going to do it anyways. Well, come on. Their rhetoric led to Trump, almost getting assassinated. Yeah. I mean, they literally try to take him out. Well, I'm thinking, guys, I'm thinking that since, since we are talking about what the Dems might be doing, and we're talking about riots and talking about inciting violence in cities, this could

possibly lend us to segue into our next topic, which is on flag burning. Nice. Hard, hard, hard, segue there. I was, that was well done. Thank you. Thank you. Well, so here's what's interesting about this, because, because, so they signed this new executive order this morning, president signs it, prosecuting the burning of the American flag. And people say, whoa, whoa, I was told the Supreme Court said that was totally cool. You know, that's a bedrock lifelong American value all the way back to the founding fathers of 1989 when this, when this agreement came down for the Supreme Court when the ruling came down. But what's interesting is about because I've actually gone through and read the executive order,

which I don't think most people have, and it specifically talks about, and this is, is interesting. Foreign, groups of foreign nationals burning the American flag as a calculated act to intimidate and threaten violence against Americans because of their nationality and place of birth. Talking about the California riots. Right, the California riots and American as a nationality and America as a place of birth.

So we are the only country in the world where we allow foreign nationals to come in and burn our flag and say they're perfectly allowed to do this while intimidating and threatening us. He made a hybrid flags. remember right in California they made it a hybrid flag mixing the Mexican flag and the American oh right yeah okay so they've done everything possible to desecrate and demoralize the American public through flag burning through the destruction of the symbols that we care about absolutely demoralizing I don't want to hear anything about freedom of speech

these guys will tear down monuments they tear down the Confederate flag in the South they don't give a shit about well they they yeah they prosecute you if you do a burnout on like a Pride crosswalk. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, before we get to all this, we're able to do this, which I definitely want to get to, I want to point out that people are saying, how is he getting around the Supreme Court decision, right? Isn't it just obviously, obviously incorrect? You say, ah, ah, but what they've done is they're saying, notwithstanding the Supreme

Court's rulings on First Amendment protections, the court has never held that American flag desecration conducted in a manner that is likely to incite imminent lawless action or that is an action amounting to, quote, fighting words is constitutionally protected. So it seems like what, and it's just my, you know, kind of lay reading on it, I don't think any of us are lawyers, that, you know, let's say you're burning, you buy a flag, Amazon, whatever, you bring it to your house, you just tried to burn your flag in an act of protest. This wouldn't cover that. But what it would cover is all of the other instances that we're talking about. Yeah, like them burning it in the middle of the street, starting fires in California with the flags and things like this,

which they were doing, they would just argue, they would just argue, they would just argue, well, that that would already fall into arson laws. Why do you need this law? Well, the thing is, it's like, you are correct. What they're saying here is, if it's the case that we can see that you're doing this in a manner which looks like incitement, now we can get you for incitement. It's not just burning the flag anymore, right? We're going to go out. Now, this is a workaround. I agree that that's kind of what they're doing by holding up the Supreme Court decision here and saying we're going to work around this way. They actually cite it. I don't think it goes far enough. I would like to see it repealed. If you burn the American flag in America, you need to be dealt with. It's a traitorous act. It's a treasonous act as far as I'm concerned. It's a seditious act at the very least. And I have no idea why we want to import millions of people who then go to California and make a hybrid flag, start fires and burn our flag. It's crazy. You mentioned, real quick, you mentioned it was demoralizing. Yes. Unpack that. Yeah, well, okay, so this is the main thing. So all of the flag burning with the media in front of it, this type of thing, the entirety of it is to show America's in ashes, right? They're going to get that snapshot, and they're going to put the perfect filter on it. They're going to put the perfect background there with the filter that shows the American flag

burning. And the whole point of it is to say, America's on fire. We're at the precipice. We're at the brink. And the whole thing is to kind of keep the country in this idea of turmoil, this consistent idea of turmoil, never ending turmoil, never ending color revolution. It's designed specifically to demoralize. Why do you think they hand them out? They hand them out with lighters. We were watching the California riots. People would heap garbage in the middle of the road and a masked guy would come by

and out of his pocket, he'd pull out lighter fluid. Spray the lighter fluid all over it, light it, and then walk off. Where the hell are these guys getting all of this? They came totally prepared to start arsonist fires, right? That's what they were prepared to do. All of it's designed to be demoralizing to the American public. And it's always been designed to be demoralizing to the law. Look, if you value something, you would protect it. You would enshrine that in law. I was tweeting about this earlier today.

I saw some of your stuff about this. I couldn't agree more. I think that I do think that this will be a test of the Supreme Court. I also think that it's kind of ridiculous to say that it is a 20th century notion, a very modern notion to think that the First Amendment covers this kind of activity. This is not, this political expression was very well known to the founding fathers and the founding generation. They, they would tar and feather people, right?

They knew the difference between speech and expression. As it turns out, our ancestors were not stupid in our, you know, our forefathers in this case. I mean, honestly, they would have shot these people, you know, not kidding. They would have, most of this, the understanding was most of this was done was left to the states. Yeah. This was a 10th Amendment protection.

And it turns out that, by the way, pretty much, I think of 40, eight of states at one point all had flag desecration laws. And this was totally accepted throughout pretty much all of American history right up until 1989. Oh, they had blasphemy laws on the books. It blasphemy laws on the books. All into the 19th century they had in, yeah. You make a great point here with symbolism and the idea of the American symbol. So I think of it this way. It's like when you have these, it's like when you have two kids and the one, they're putting their finger really close to the other kid. They're like, I'm not touching you. I'm not touching you. I'm not touching you. And they do it for hours. And finally the other

the kid just belt him. Right. Can you believe he did that? I never touched him. Can you believe he did? I never actually did anything wrong. Can you believe he? And of course, what happens is this is the same thing.

The idea here is we're not doing anything wrong. Look, we're not doing anything wrong. Shove it in your face as much as possible as they burn down everything you love, burn down your symbols, deface them and try to demoralize you. And you go, well, we're going to pass a law that you can't do that anymore. I can't believe that you're a totalitarian fascist. I want to see, is there, is there anyone, Serge, check out the chat. Is there anyone who disagrees?

I just, I was, though, what do you think? What do you think? Well, it's not actually a crime. It's actually, guys, it's not actually a crime to burn the flag. Actually, do you know that it's not actually a crime to burn the flag? Which is just talking about this. Not touching you. This whole midwittery thing we were talking before the show, like, where it's like, yeah, okay, we know it's not a crime.

Like, we shouldn't be encouraging or allowing everyone to do it on mass and every protest across the country. I just see them in the chat, but you asked about that. I definitely disagree. I don't, I don't want to. flag to be burned but it's like my last my last argument I just think I'm I just think you have that right to burn it in the street if you want that's what Johnson was doing yeah I've got a little more nuanced to take than than Shane I think that as a like if you've got someone with a green card or something like that or someone that's not a citizen then that should be grounds to revoke their

green card send them back but personally I think any reason that you can get to revoke green cards and send people back is fine with me um I like the idea of people being able to do it so you know who the bad guys are. Same reason that I like free speech. So people will tell you the bad things, tell you the things that will say the things. Can you make that argument for all crime though?

Pardon me? Couldn't you make that argument for like... I knew he was a murderer. No, right? Aha, there's the murderer. Look at him killing that child. I mean, because the reason being is because this is something

that will happen at protests or something that will happen in certain contexts. I mean, regardless of all, confused about who the bad guys are. Nobody's confused about who the bad guys are. It's not always the same people learn the flag. I think they would still do it, regardless of what the law.

Expand it to all crime is not. To expand it to all crime really misses the point. The point is it's fine if people want, like I don't have a problem with people that want to, or I don't have a problem with people burning the flag, right? Because if it's their own property or whatever, I don't have a problem with it. There is a free speech argument in my opinion. But also, I like the idea of being able to, you know, people. that actually have bad ideas and have bad motivations.

I like those people feeling like they can speak out so you can identify. But it's not always the bad people burning the flag. It could be a Marine likes Medley Butler who's against going to war and he's out there burning the flag. But the context for me is what is what changes. Are Marines out there burning flags? There have been vets burning flags for sure. Well, yeah, the thing is, it doesn't mean they're Marxists, doesn't mean they're Marxist.

I think it's a rarity. But the thing is, if you have, if you have, in, I'll steal a in your argument a little bit, I think in the Vietnam War era is really when this really kicked off. Yeah, because a bunch of, because a bunch of hippies, because a bunch of hippies who again were backed by massive communist NGOs. And anybody who looks at the 60s era can see the infiltration of feminism via NGOs, via Rockefeller Foundation. But that has nothing to do with not wanting to go to war. Well, it, and I agree with that. Hang on. It kind of did. It was all tied in together.

Right. But it doesn't mean, but you're supporting feminism by not wanting to go to war. No, I agree with that. I'm just saying. that all of this was tied in as a sciop essentially. And all I would point out is this. You don't take the most powerful symbol that you can get behind, that men have run behind. One of the most kind of like, if you look at that Ewo Jima, that statue Eojima, right? The guy has the flag up and there's our flag is our most sacred national. I would say it should be the cross. It's enshrined as this thing. The reason it's on the military uniform going the opposite direction is because it's supposed to emulate as a soldier's running the flags blowing behind him, right? It's such a powerful

patriotic motivator and a powerful glue that holds society together. These people erode those things. That's what LGBTQ is always about. It's what all of this stuff is about is the erosion of the symbols of the things that are good. And it's like, no, you can't burn them. You go to fucking jail. Good. And the way that you can prove this test, by the way, of what you're saying in the fact that it's a row, it's not just erosion, but it's also replacement. Right. So we're replacing your symbols of power, your sacred totems with ours. And so in the same token, the same vector, you go to any lib, any leftist, and we all know what I'm going to say, but I've got to say it anyway because I'm hosting the show, is,

is, okay, would you hold the same for an LGBT flag or one of those pride crosswalks or a trans flag or just, you know, pick any other of your hodgepodgeal flags that they all have, you know, at any coffee shop, by the way. Well, no, they would say that's a hate crime, but there shouldn't be any. It would say it shouldn't be a hate crime and they would say you should be arrested. We should burn those too. But in many states, you can't name your kid Adolf Hitler. Where are the liberals?

Where are the liberals running out and saying, we demand you be able to name your child Adolf Hitler. They're nowhere. It does roll off the tongue. And also, like, nowhere. I was just saying also it's like for me, like I'm 24. So every time in my entire life I've seen someone burn a flag, it's one to one with people that hate me. So it's like I'm also kind of tired of protecting the rights of people that hate me like all the time. I'm okay with protecting those people that hate me.

I'm not. It's the most of this country. After what they've done to me, I don't know. But I mean, I would even push back on the idea that it's a quote unquote right. Depending, because how are they going to define likely to incite? Like, that could be very vague. I mean, that's pretty much all incitement. If you're on top of a car burning.

They were trying to say during Johnson, him burning the flag in public was going to incite violence. They obviously didn't. It didn't. Yeah, but isn't that an exception? Like most of the places you see a lot of flag burning, isn't there a lot of violence? I don't think every time, but certainly a lot, certainly a lot, especially when they're turning down Confederate statues. You would still need a test case. But even then, the incitement statute would still have a statutory definition.

I think the flag, the symbol of a flag burning is not going to automatically incite violence. I think the death cold of Marxism has rotted the brains of these people, and they'll take anything as a symbol to incite violence or as an excuse. No, no, no, I don't disagree with that. But what I'm saying is... Why do they use that one? It's got a specific... Well, they use a ton. It's not the only one.

They mostly use that one. Usually, if they touch the American flag, they hiss. They usually don't even touch it. They usually... Well, they'll touch it to burn it. You know, in fact, I remember in the California riots, we were watching, when we were watching them live, there was multiple times where they were handing these flags out where people were saying, guys, don't wave that.

It's bad optics for us, right? It's going to turn people against us making this Mexico-American flag. And they ignored them. They did it anyway. Now, I agree. It was an optic eyesore, you know? But I also think that when you have symbols in a nation that help tie that nation together, the stars and stripes, you know, we have tons of songs about this because patriotism is part of the glue. We want, if we are legitimately attacked or assaulted, for the country to come together under a symbol. That's the symbol. We actually refer to that as the rally around the flag. Yeah, you don't, you don't burn it. You don't desecrate it. You don't desecrate it. You don't desecrate it. And by the way, why didn't society fall apart before this ruling? Tell me that. Well, how can people seem to be more free when you couldn't burn the flag than they do right now when he can't?

What I find so strange about this is people say, oh, this is, this is a bedrock right. This is a long term. No, it's not. It's just, it's just, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's a completely a historical course argument to make. This is a 1989 decision by the Supreme Court. This is, yeah, exactly, right. But the, and I've said, I've said stuff about this online and I completely agree with you.

It's, it's the glue. It's our national symbol. This is why we, we, you know, take your hat off when the star-spangled banner is being sung. You put your hand over your heart. These are natural, national civic rituals. When I was a kid, you pledged your allegiance to what? Alleged allegiance to flag. The flag of the United States of America.

I think it's okay. I think it's okay to love this country and also hate and hate the government and not be okay with the flag because you've been enslaved. I think you've been enslaved and destroyed by this government my whole life. And a network of undeclared wars and it's okay. You have that right, despite it not being literally written in the First Amendment to say, screw this. Well, I would say that. But if it's not written, then how could.

Prayer is not in there either, and automatic rifles aren't in the second minute. Right, but it doesn't specifically say that. So they keep expanding what different interpretations throughout the years. It doesn't say that. It just says that Congress can't make a national law that says everyone has to follow one religion. Right. It actually doesn't say that you can ban prayer. But my point is, though, is that there's no, there's nowhere in, this is kind of like when, I feel like it's when Roe v. Wade was sort of read into the penumbra of the Fourth Amendment, where, It's enshrined. It's there. It's there. Just look, it's enshrined. It's like, where? I'm reading this document over and over. I'm looking at the statements of the founding fathers.

I don't see anything where they say, oh, yeah, it's totally cool to burn a flag. It's so obvious. And where's this for guns? Where's this ever for guns? Yeah, exactly. When do I ever see these people running out and being like, you're right to own a machine gun shall not be infringed? Never seen it once.

I see tons of gun control. I see tons of you can't have them. I see tons of gun bans. I don't ever see them trying to. enshrined that right, but somehow when it comes to the one thing that's bad behavior to demoralize the entire public, that's enshrined is an American right, and it's always been that way. Get the fuck out of here. I don't think it's, I don't think it's a bedrock argument, but I do think it could encroach on expression that you're taking someone's rights away when you say burning the flag is

illegal, and I say, I don't think it's a right. I don't think it's ever been right. Yeah, I mean, it's because it's like when you see them in the LA rights, when you saw the Mexican flags, and you see that you're not thinking about the Mexican government. you're thinking about Mexican people. And it's the same thing with the American flag. It's like, okay, people are saying I'm protesting the government. It's like, well, that's great. But the flag represents the people.

Like, you're protesting existence of the American people. And there's a whole debate around what that identity is. But it's like, yeah, I mean, it's like you can protest the government in other ways. But the flag is something much deeper than a federal government. You should be able to protest however you want, though, unless you're going to hurt somebody. Unless you're lighting the flag and throwing on something. But that's the whole point of this thing is they're saying it's incitement. And it's like if you're burning.

Likely to incite. If you're saying, I hate you and your heritage and I want to attack you. burning it. I mean, that's incitement. What about, like, to your point, though, what about the fact that this is new? You know, he cites 1989, right? So you're saying that all the people who came before that, who honored the flag and you weren't allowed to desecrate it, they were wrong. And they always should have been able to burn the flag if they wanted to. Yeah. And you don't think that's silly? Why? Because the press... I think there's other ways to be demoralized. All the men who bled and died for it. They clearly didn't want it desecrated. Others died for you to do whatever.

to the flag. No, they didn't die for me. I've talked to many of them. And that's just saying, uh, no, I don't think soldiers went overseas to die for people's right to butt sex or to burn flags. I just don't, you're adding butt sex in there. I don't agree with that at all. Again, again, it's the same principle. Soldiers weren't joining the military to die for people's right to burn the American flags. That's not what I'm saying. That's not what I'm saying. They, they, they, some of them would think that they died for expression. Yeah, but the, but the, but the, but to express their distaste, the distrust, distrust for the government, not to burn the symbol. But look how emotional everyone was getting over it. It seems like a pretty good way to

protest. I think that's a very new kind of take on the Constitution. I think it's a very, very new read on it. I mean, I'm sure you could probably talk to people from the war on terror veterans who believe that. But if you go back to World War II and asking Korea, well, that's different. Yeah, I agree. But still, but Smedley Butler, Smadley Butler, you know, decorated Purple Heart, like the Marine. Vietnam is probably who wrote the book, War as Iraq. it would probably be okay with that. Look, more MacArthur. More MacArthur. I'm just saying the idea that this was the same idea of you can be a communist if you want to. Yeah, well, that really fucking sucked, didn't it? Because ultimately the communist started taking over all the

institutions and they indoctrinate all of our kids and it's horrible. And so like, no, we probably should have locked them all up. We probably should have eradicated the ideology. We probably should have burned over the communist books. We've tried it. We've tried the sort of libertarian, Hey, we can be a utopia and everyone can choose their own path and everybody can, you know, you can burn the flag or love the, it doesn't work. Yeah. It just doesn't work. And like the way this constitution was organized, like it worked much better when we were like a hyper homogenous people where everyone's like the same religion, same everything, same culture. It's like now we're basically an empire and we need to start if we want to really embrace the empire life as we've structured our country in 2025, it's like the laws do need to sort of reflect that we need a bit more order, a bit more structured everything.

because people will just take any freedom, any inch you give them, and with this kind of ridiculousness, and like I agree, I don't even know if it's really a right. They will seize it to just throw. I don't think we're going to get a better future with this top-down governance. I think we'll get a better future when this country accepts Christ. I think having moral grounding from the bottom up, I think a moral grounding from the bottom up is going to,

what's changed generationally, but not top-down change, won't do anything. What I think a lot of, and I had a friend, you know, from back home, who's a Republican and but not like a huge Trump person text me earlier today and said, you know, was asking about some of this stuff. And I do think a lot of what Trump is doing when you talk about the crime, when you talk about this, the flag, when you talk about all, it's all connected, right? So it's aesthetics. It is the broken windows policy.

It is this idea that we need to reset. Yeah. We need a big public reset. And to your point, right, what, What can he do, right? With the presidency, with the power that he has, well, executive orders, absolutely. Executive orders is absolutely something he can do. And to your point as well, what effect is it going to have?

Is it the most effective thing? Yeah, I understand. But like, when you say, and I agree. You need that big. He did the same thing with the president's, the president's fitness, right? He's doing the president's fitness plan again. That's finally coming back. So all of these things are resets.

Triple-H. And, you know, really, it's back to the country that he remembers, that he remembers. that he remembers from when he was growing up, from when he was having his formative years, how the country was, he's just going, like, even when he talks about the, I love what he talks about the water pressure, right? Yeah, you know, he said, well, the water pressure used to be a lot better, and he was right about that, actually. Yeah, and to your point, too, it's like, that's why city conservatives are so different

from, like, rural conservatives, even suburban conservatives, because it's like, Trump's neighbor, he grew up in Queens is an entirely, entirely different, like, culture, like civilization. He grew up in Jamaica, States. It's, like, when he was growing up, it was German and English and Scottish. Now it's mostly South Asians, so it's like that has a really galvanizing effect. Not that, you know, not saying other people, you know, they don't see this. Obviously, they see this as well.

But yeah, for city conservatives, you grew up in a place like Queens and you're 70 years old. I mean, you've seen a churn, a civilizational churn occur like on your blocks. I agree with you when you say we need to get back to Christ, 100%, right? Ethics do come. But the problem is, is like, ethics do come from the top down. What happened when Constantine converted Christianity? What happens when emperors convert to Christianity? There is an outflow, right?

So the idea here is really simple. It's like from the top down, you do need to have elected leaders who are putting in policy, which are reflective of Christian ethics. The idea of symbols, which is what the cross is, right? What if they made a law saying can't burn the cross? You say, well, you have a right to do that. Why? It's really stupid.

Cross burning is against the law in some states. Like it's, I mean, but it's, but it's actually, but not for religion. It's actually, it would actually be stupid to take, different reasons. To take this like, yeah, to take this symbol, which, 100% which, which, uh, gives people so much union over something and then make it legal to this. I just don't, I just don't put that much power or weight into any symbol. Uh, you put it in the cross? I do, but like still, it's just a material object from the material world.

People do whatever they want to it. It has a, it's a, it's a material object, which has a, it's a, it's a material object, which has a representation of the metaphism. But if you guys are, look, but we're debating about whether the flag is covered under the First Amendment, I think it's pretty clear that as much as, like, Christian values is what the United States is based on, that you can't make legislation about like that. You can legislate, you can't legislate morality. Yeah, states did.

When the country is far more Christian than it is now, they had blasphemy. And I think you can legislate morality. I think it's fine. I don't think that. Well, I mean, that, yeah, I think you can't legislate anything that you start, if you start legislating morality, people are going to say, well, that's legislating religion. That's the argument they're going to use. All laws are morality. No more murder laws, no more theft laws. Those are all moral laws and guidelines, which are taken from Christian ethics. This idea. Marriage laws. Oh, yeah. First of all, we can legislate morality. We do, and we should. And protecting. That's exactly what the left has been doing with. Yeah, good. The thing is, it's like, I know. that they're doing that, it's good that we're finally fighting back. And it works for them to a large

agree. It's good. We can take their tactics and use them back. I'm sorry, the leftist can't burn our flags anymore. That's terrible. But I'll go die for the right to do it. That's stupid. That's always been stupid. And guess what? It's not the argument that I'm making at all. It doesn't work. It doesn't work. It's not the argument that I'm making. Well, what's the argument? The argument that I'm

making is you can't have, because of the First Amendment, you can't say, okay, we're going to legislate these, these religious tenants. Now, I understand the left actually has a religion when it comes a lot of their ideology and it actually behaves as a religion and so they have the 10th amendment the 10th amendment says that if the united states government can't do it the states prospectively can the united states government can't make a law that says there's national religion that's it i strongly of our states almost all of our states how to listen i strongly feel like that will go to the

supreme court and the supremacy clause will come it will will kick in and they'll say you can't do that it's unconstitutional a lot of people made that same argument about roe v wayd it'll go to the Supreme Court, it'll die, and it didn't. And you know what? They might repeal O'Bogrefeld. That's going to be great, too. Yeah, but those are different precedents, though. Those are different precedents. The precedent that the O'Bergerfield, I'm not even sure what precedent was for Obergafel,

but the idea that you can pass a law that would in some way violate the First Amendment, they're going to throw, they're, look, if a state decides they want to, then they can go ahead and try it and see what the, what the, what the Supreme Court says. There's already been precedent in the Supreme Court for this being called a Christian nation, right? It was a, what was it, Lovejoy, or I don't remember what the case was, but he literally said it's a Christian nation. Look, if they want to go to, if someone wants to try it and go to the Supreme Court, then fine, you can, someone can try it, fine. I strongly believe the court will say, no, under the First Amendment, you cannot, you cannot pass.

I think if you make the argument it falls under the 10th Amendment, that you can do some legislative things. Like I said, I think that they would say the supremacy clause says that the First Amendment is supreme. I do think what we're arguing about here is is a little bit past each other because of what Tate said earlier, right? It, that the people do matter. And even, even to your point, Phil, the Supreme Court justices matter. And Supreme Court justices are chosen by the president who is chosen nominally by the people of the states. And so the people matter. And it is going to come down to the reflections.

of the people. And so we can we can get into the the nitty gritty of the 10th Amendment, the supremacy clause, et cetera, et cetera. But which one, which side is going to win? And, and that will end up being the side that has had to stack the court. Part of the reason why I would say that the supremacy clause would take precedent and that the First Amendment would protect people, would prevent states from doing it is because the, the conservative justices, they don't always come down where you think they're going to come down. You can reliably, pick what the progressive justices are how they're

going to vote, right? You can always, they're always going to vote in line. Sotomayor and Kagan and what's her name, uh, Cagentee Brown Jackson, they're going to vote the same way all the time. Yeah, yeah, yeah, right. But you can't, you can't

reliably predict the other ones. But at the other ones, because why you shouldn't be making this prediction. But in the past you could. That's why you should make this prediction. No, this is why you should. This is why you should be making the prediction because they're not reliably conservative or not reliable like they're not reliable at all when it comes conservatives because the conservative justices

or the normal justices right the ones that are not ideologically possessed they're the ones that actually will think about the question of the end is that in the past you could right like this this wouldn't have been something that was contested many precedents for your ability to do it and look I do understand

I do understand the idea of government overreach I was raised on this libertarian stuff okay that libertarian garbage hey if we overreach they're going to use it against us. They don't give a shit. They use everything against us anyway. I just agreed with that point earlier tonight.

Libertarians are terrible. I don't think, is there a libertarian in this room? I literally just agree with that point earlier today. So I just say like, no, it's a powerful symbol and it needs to be protected. And I would like to see these people dragged off the street when they burn it. And I'd like to see their asses thrown in jail as an example for everybody else. That's what I want to see. And this is how I feel about the people who did Operation Warp Speed and Burning Down Cities during the riots.

That was the most demoralizing thing. And a lot of those people were let out of prisons by Kamala Harris's staff and the bail money they were donating to them. Absolutely. Yeah. No J. Sixers in prison. Those guys in prison. Yeah. Absolutely.

I want to do a segue at one point. But, you know, I think the symbol argument and the effect that it has on people, especially as a dad, you know, if you take your kids to Washington, D.C., and you come in and you want to go to a museum or something. something, and you walk by a group of people and you say, oh, you know, especially you come in Union Station, right? Union stations where most people come to the city when they take the train and we have to come in. And you see them right there. And that's why they do it at Union Station, by the way, all the time. And suddenly they're burning a flag. Mommy, Daddy, what are they doing? They're burning the American flag. Why isn't anyone stopping them? And then you have to sit there and try to explain to a child. I'm not saying, I've done this, but you would have to sit there

that explained to the child that the flag that we teach them matters so much, actually there's something beyond that that matters that you can't see and you can't touch, but it matters, and that's their right to burn. It falls apart. It's insane. It completely falls apart. In my view, it's communist reason. Totally backwards.

And again, I do understand the overreach argument. I get it. But there's really not balance now. There's no balance anymore. We can't really balance everybody's different priorities because- They've already legislated. hate crimes for burning their flags. They've already done this. Yeah, they'll do whatever

is necessary to achieve political power while we're arguing about whether or not we should protect basic symbols. Should we do something? Yeah, should we do something. Fight back. I don't know. Yeah, we probably should. It's like, yeah, do a burnout on a pride crosswalk, they'll yank you out of your car. I mean, it's crazy. That's not acceptable either, though. What, doing a burnout? No, the idea that you get yanked out of your car for. Oh. Yeah, but unless we put in the power of

law and we show that we will utilize force the same way that they're willing to. That's all they respect. All they respect in the counter is force. That's why they put their finger in your face, say, I'm not touching you, but you can't do anything about it until you smack them in the mouth. That's how it works. By the way, just, just last point on this, and we do have to segue away, but it's, there are plenty of countries around the world, including Western Europe where there are flag-burning laws. This isn't some like crazy, tyrannical, you know, super, you know, no one's ever said this before. I mean, you could pull up the list and people have in the comments just it's country after country after country

um do actually criminalize this but just because they do it is that okay to do it here yes i'm not i know you know i know you know that i'm asking jack in that in this case just because it's okay in other countries that we should that's a precedent for us to here make that law i'm not saying that's the only reason i'm i made it i spent a long time explaining why i think it's a good reason but i'm also pointing out why that other people agree with it as well yeah yeah that's not draconian. I just think it's a weak measure, and we have way bigger things to be fighting that I wish this administration we go after, and this is like a small distraction giving you guys some fast food

meals to cheer about, whereas I want to go after things that really, like, he promised to obliterate the deep state. What's happening with that? Tulsi Gabbard just said she's firing 50% of the, like, I see. Yeah, I get it. I get it. But, like, there's big things like the Epstein files. I think that's big, but I think there's something beyond just that.

It's just staffers. I'm thinking, like, I hear this, I hear this a lot. And I understand, you know, Trump's supposed to be going after the deep state and these. Well, he campaigned on it. Yeah. And there always could be worth things. We only have so much time. We only have so much time.

Every single time this guy drafts legislation about anything. He makes an executive order about anything, even small, to try to make some kind of change. It's his own side. The guys who want to dismantle the deep state who go after him the hardest, who curtail and hamstring him from doing anything. Because it was the deep state that tried assassinating him. Ask something about a flag. What do you think he's going to do to the deep state? Exactly.

I don't think anything's going to happen. Well, I would argue, though, I mean, I would argue that there's, it's, I think the difference here is that it's short term versus long term. I think these are long term plays and long term investments that are being made now. Flag burning. Crime is both short term and long term. But, you know, you're also pointing out to some things that, hey, we'd like to see some movement here, here, here, here and here.

New terms are on the horizon. The terms are certainly on the horizon. I don't know what's going to happen in 2028. And the point being is, if you don't only have that much time, why wouldn't you want to make long-term investments? Yeah, I do want to make long-term investments, but I hope we're actually making them in terms of this deep place. I think protecting the flag and setting the course of the nation for children is really important. Okay. I want to protect the children.

I don't think the flag does it. I mean, I mean, yeah. I mean, I think all of it was important. The two genders via executive wars. I think that that was important. That's a long-term investment that you're talking about. 100%. Right?

Saying that America is an English-speaking country, setting the precedent that, hey, the actual language are going to speak here to English, that's a long-term precedent, right? These are long-term investments. But the other thing is, it's like, we cannot curtail this guy every single time he tries. Well, and a great example of that. Is our next story, by the way. Contractually obligated to do these segways, by the way. I'm not trying to excite for the record

because this is a great combo. But, you know, every day, I'll say this. You know, every day we get a story of something the Trump admin is doing this. The Trump, and this is a huge difference between, I would say, the second term and the first term, is that this time around, they don't let things go.

It's not like they get hit by the media and then they just, all right, right, right, we back off. They're deporting Kilmar Garcia, or at least trying to, and they're fighting tooth and nail for this. and I think that does set a precedent and you could argue now some people might argue so oh that's super short term why do you why you care so much about you know this one guy and it's it's not about that guy it is about the precedent and it's about the precedent that

this guy should not be here he should have been deported the first time and you know they brought him back which I you know I feel a certain way about but now they're pushing him out again and this is the latest on it so they were going to be deporting him to Uganda I think which I think it's so funny. They should just, they should just, like, deport them to a country at random, just have, like, a list of countries. You're going to one of these, right? So this is deterrence, right?

And yes, we can certainly put Dr. Fauci on that list as well. Which, by the way, don't get me wrong. You mentioned Dr. Fauci, and I don't want to sound like I'm not addressing it. President Trump talks about this all the time, that he wants to take a look at the validity of those pardons, because I don't think there's any way that anyone can seriously say that an auto pen pardon is, is valid. Dr. Fauci's pardon is absolutely not valid. Hunter Biden's pardon, et cetera, all the rest of him. And for the lies that Fauci did, he should absolutely have his pardon shredded. He can also make the argument that Joe Biden was not mentally fit.

That's my point. That's my point. He just was not mentally fit to do any of those anyway. And I think that that's a really hard one for them to argue, considering they replaced him because he wasn't mentally fit. So it's really hard for them to argue that point. So let me just get this update though on the story while we're here because a federal this is I think this happened just as we were coming up on the show because this changed basically as I was doing the intro here a federal judge and this is from the great Thomas Stevenson go follow him by the way over at post one oh because he does great work work them on a daily basis on Monday federal judge judge appointed by Obama ruled that the Trump admin is forbidden oh gosh from

deporting alleged MS-13 gang member, Kilmar Abrago-Garcia, for now. This comes as he was detained. Your judge Paul, Paula, of course Paula. U.S. District Judge Paula Shinnis. Paula alone. Blocked his deportation and said in court the Trump admin legal team, your clients are absolutely forbidden at this juncture to remove Mr. Abrago Garcia from the continent of the United States.

This is our understanding until she holds a hearing to see if he can contest the deportation, order to the third country. The order comes, oh my gosh. So this is what we see. We see how the left utilizes power. They never let go. They fight back every chance they get. They say, even if there's someone who's, even if you're an MS-13 member who

was involved in trafficking, trafficking other illegals, and I believe minors at one point, this guy was brought up that he was trafficking, even for that person, they will still fight back. Well, this is, it's a classic case, like, what do you do with power when you have it? Well, first, you have to have it. And we don't. And so we have to be moving more towards that. It is true that we have Trump as president, but we don't really have a right-wing entrenched establishment for power.

These guys do. And this is exactly what they'll do with it. Yes. Then this is exactly what they'll do with it. And they will curtail at every single turn any idea that you can remove people from the nation who aren't supposed to. to be here. That's their future constituency. They don't want nothing, they don't want any type of curtailing. He's going to run for mayor next, Gilmar, yeah. And he might win in one of those places. They'll love this, yeah. This is perfect. Run mayor of Kampala, Uganda, maybe. That'd be very

nice. Also, I think, like, you could just ramp the pressure up by just keeping them in Baltimore. You'll just self-deport after like a few weeks. I mean, like, let's be honest here. And apparently he can't understand. Or be dealt with by other means. Right. Yeah. The whole point was to make an example, right? The whole point was to make an example. We are deporting you. We are deporting. to Baltimore. Just deport him to Baltimore. Please go to Uganda. Please, please, let me go to Uganda.

He's mad at the judge right now. Whoa, whoa. We'll send you to Africa if we're going to, if we can just deport you anywhere. The whole point is to make an example. Yeah, just put him out on the street in East Baltimore. That's it. That's it. This is your deportation.

Yeah, I don't know. This could be kind of fun. You could take the migrant down embassy row and be like, pick where you want to go. That's a little too nice. Come on your budget's a little too high. I don't know, maybe South Sudan, that might be more. You got to pick, no, you have to be the one of the ones that isn't on Embassy Road. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

And this Supreme Court recently say that they can deport to these other countries if they want to, that the United States government can deport to Uganda if they want to? Like, they can just do that, right? So, uh, watch them. It's, this, this may very well get, there's no, it's overturned very quickly. Again, you know, going back to whether there's rights or not rights. I mean, there's basically they're saying that there's no, um, There's no obligation of the government to return them to their home country.

Why should there be? And by the way, in many of these cases, you know, you've got people who are from even far more, you know, far-flung places in the world than just Latin America. Yeah. But hey, let me dip into your wallet to send them back on a free luxury, you know, airplane ride halfway across the world. How many times has he come back and forth now? Like, why are we even paying for any of this? He should have been gone immediately. It's ridiculous.

his lawyer was saying that he's going to fight this. What kind of defense is there, like, possible for, like, he's, he's been adjudicated to be an illegal, right? Like, he admitted it, like, in court. He was, he was picked up human trafficking, right? Like, what kind of, what kind of defense could they possibly produce? I mean, it's very obvious that this is just a wait-out-the-clock scenario where it's, we're going to find, it's, it's kind of like when you have a death penalty case, and they just,

They just come up with any theory, anything they can find. Find time until the next administration. You know, and then just hold it over until the Democrat gets in or something like that so that he's able to stay. And it's very clear they're trying to do that. So, Shane, to your point earlier about short term versus long term, this is what happens when they're pushing for these short-term gains. Yeah. They still have to deal with this. But this is great.

You know, I agree. This guy has no rights. This guy has no rights here. This guy has no rights. rights here. He should never have been here and he should be launched out of here immediately. The things I'm talking about in the previous stories have nothing, they don't apply to this guy at all. He should be launched into space. All right, so Shane's happy now. We're good. Musk to send him the Mars if I believe the Mars, but yeah. I also like how hard

we're mugging the British here because they tried the Rwanda scheme and it failed miserably. And then we're just like casually. Oh, Uganda, you want some illegals? You can have a few. South Sudan? Why not? You're open? It's a brutal magging. I'm really sorry for the British, but, you know, we make it look easy getting... It's not the first time we'd Magdum. That's true. But when it comes down to it, when it comes down to it, you know, and I could see people saying, you know, why does it matter so much about this guy?

And I think it shows the fight. I think it shows the new level of fight that Trump admin 2.0 is showing where, no, we're not going to give up on this one. And in fact, because you made such a big deal and the senators were flying down to El Salvador and meeting with him in, you know, Seacot and all of this, that we're not going to let go. and we are going to make a symbol of this and we are going to show this to everyone and set the precedent

that if you're here and if you're here illegally and you're rolled up, you're going and there's no, the libs do not have any power. Well, look at what hat. You remember alligator, Alcatraz? Sure, right?

We forget. The idea, like I watched the tour is an air-conditioned facility, right? And it's set up this air-conditioned facility where there's fences which, you know, divide various prisoners,

probably some of them are more violent than others, etc, et cetera, et cetera. What's the actual problem here? Why is the expectation this is going to be the Ritz? Why was there ever an expectation that this was going to be the Ritz, that this was going to be a nice hotel room for people to kick their feet up and relax? But for some reason, that seems to be the case that these people are like, hey.

I know, because you look at holding cells in Sweden, and they're like, oh, they're nice. Exactly. Have you seen the original Alcatrons? You need to get you on the 44th floor of this luxury hotel before we fly you back your country. Let's them come break in whenever you want to. This is a precedent against that kind of stuff. This is the idea of like, oh, well, no, I didn't mean to cut it. I was just saying this is the, the reason Trump is fighting this tooth and nail in the administration, he's trying to say, look, we're done with that. And by the way, this is a state of the art holding cell,

holding facility for illegals before they go. It's fine to send them there as we're processing them out. Enough of the Ritz treatment. Enough of the, you get everything. you want treatment. So I think you're right on that. Debit cards in New York City. Take away the hotels, give them to the immigrant, the illegals. Insane. Totally insane. Yeah, they're even like Mets tickets on the way out.

Oh, not Mets. Not the Mets. Gosh, I think this is, I think summer camps produce patriots. Because if you went to a summer camp, this looks fantastic, alligator Alcatraz. Like, this looks wonderful. Like, I remember how, like, horrid the conditions were, and you loved your time there. So just in, on August 21st, District Judge Kathleen M. Williams has said that it has said that it has has to be shut down.

So it's still open, but they have significant restrictions currently, which again, it's not some kind of terrible place. But they're going to fight that out too? Well, I mean, and hopefully the Trump administration wins. But the point is like, no matter what you do, the left is going to push back. And like you mentioned earlier, the institutional power is still strongly in the left's favor because of judges and stuff like that. Well, judges, academics, the people who make studies which show the inhuman.

main conditions of various people based on how they define it super don't care all of that is entrenched i remember that so i've i i uh spent about a year at guantanamo bay um serving there in the military and uh not on the other side of the bars um but but we would we would have those that it was the same deal it was like air condition the facilities were really nice uh it was based on you know supermax so they get detainees would get whatever they wanted they would certainly get you know religious specific meals and keep halal and all this and then we would have so and and red cross was right there international red cross and they and they had pretty much full access all the time um to the prison facilities remember they wanted it um 24 said they had an office right there

and we would still get congressional delegations and journalists who would come in and we would show them all this and I would say what I just said about here's their medical group and here's the Red Cross representative and here's the lawyers that they get and all of this and they would walk out and they said torture torture torture in these torture conditions look at the torture they're like no i just show like i just spent all day showing you the no torture and and it was you know i never kind of i i i'll put it this way i kind of never believed the media to like i understood the media was like liberal i guess but was serving there and like going through that experience with you know my own eyes to just realize how much a lying they do just straight

blank lying that for the purpose of political expediency but to i mean i always assumed it was like it was bad i had no idea how blatant it was you think they just worse than that you show up just to get photos like why even go to prove that they were there yeah just to be like we were here they could prove they were there and then they turn around and say oh and then they know because i can't just post you know of the conditions for lots of legal into secret facility and you're a soldier and that would be legal that we can't really refute anything they're saying

crazy and John McCain did that when I was there actually I got to brief well you're right they do they do blatantly lie they lie often and they lie constantly journalists yeah yeah yeah and this yeah so this was this was me serving the military and be like wait a minute it seems that the lies are far stronger than I realized

I thought they were merely but they love with it. But since we're talking about symbols today, I think Serge has our next story up, which is also important because it's a big symbol. And this is Cracker Barrel. Of course, we're getting into Cracker Barrel. People are saying, and I've seen people saying, why do you guys care so much about it? Again, it's symbols. It is the power of symbols. You know, I know there's someone out there who has a famous adage, but I would flip it around. I would say feelings don't care about your facts. And that I think people have, people imbue, right, symbols with meaning because they are a representation of a greater, either ideal, a greater truth, a greater nation, a greater religion, you know, a cross is just a plot symbol, right? There's also a way to convey a huge amount of information immediately. Immediately. Yeah. And this is what a meme is, too. That meme is the same thing. So is across, is across just a plot symbol. symbol that's slightly, you know, off-center? No. And depending on how the cross is set, it conveys if you're this type of Christian, that type

of Christian. Symbolism conveys not just this idea of like intuition and feelings, but it conveys a significant amount of information between people, what they never have to say a word. Precisely. And so when people say, why do you care so most about crack or barrel, oh, that's boom or slop? And it's like, you know, I get what you're saying, but I do think there's something bigger. So go, wait, go back to the headlines. Sorry, don't want to hit that.

So Cracker Browell, reversing course, admitting they failed with the rebrand, vowed to include Uncle Herschel on the menu, store, and roadside. Is that black? Uncle Herschel wouldn't have wanted it any way. Well, he is a Cracker, so I don't know. Yeah, this is really grim stuff. We staged, me and my friend Nathan Haberstadt, he was on the Culture World Friday. We actually went and staged a sit-in at the local Cracker,

afterwards is a form of protest and it was a very empty cracker bro. So I think the picket lines right away for the record. Yeah. I don't think he's one or the other. I don't think he's one or the other. I don't think it means it's for everyone, right? Yeah, obviously. For every color, creed. It's a beautiful thing and they're trying to take that away and it's very sad. And I agree. Like people say it's boomerslop. I'm like, well, if you've been on a road trip, it does mean a little more. I mean, because like there's not these great food institutions along a road trip. It's like places like Cracker Barrel. Remind you of your childhood. Some places you get McDonald's or Cracker Barrel. sure yeah and yeah that's it well crackerbell yeah that's you know that's that's fine dining when you're on the road and it's like yeah it's it reminds you of your childhood it reminds you a family you know at the rusty farm equipment everywhere like horse castrator and whatnot it's like it's a really beautiful thing and they want to turn it to farmhouse chic I mean well he turned all the McDonald's into prisons yeah yeah brutalism yeah they look like they look like prisons it's just gray and it's it's gross I think the reason that cracker barrel and and we'll see what they end up

actually doing with it but I think the reason that it resonated so directly because you know what's interesting is if people you know you people would say like oh this is woke right but it's not necessarily woke in the sense they're not changing it to like a rainbow color or adding things like that or changing it to like a woman or something but we all know that it's wrong it's it's it's wokeish because it's ugly well it's the whole it's a war on beauty the backlash wasn't The backlash wasn't just from people on the right, if I understand, correct? The Democrats came out of the left that were just like, this sucks. You see it all the time when, like, they have these beautiful old homes, and, like, especially

millennials will come through and just gut it and paint everything white and turn out farmhouse chic, and it's like, it's not woke, it's just, like, sad, like you're losing something. Well, and they make the McMansion track homes. Yeah. Well, I do think that it's just, if we're talking about symbols, what is it a symbol of? It's a symbol of the America that came before, and it's a symbol of American heritage for how we got to where we are. And so, you know, that old America, quote-unquote, versus New America, or whatever you want to call it, real America versus New America is definitely

the sentimental, seminal moment of our, you know, of our time. It's our, this is our challenge, this is our fight right now, which one is going to win out? Is it the Kilmar Garcia, America, who doesn't care, you know, to even speak the language and he'll go eat whatever he wants? Or is the people who, who, or is the people who come in there and say, oh, you know what? My grandfather had one of those, you know, or we were going there with my wife, who isn't even from this country. Let me ask you something. She kept asking that as well. Conspiracy hat time.

Oh. Conspiracy hat time. You have to turn to tinfoil or tinfoil hat time. Do you think that this story got launched into the public consciousness purely because the name Cracker was in Cracker barrel? It's not the first time they tried this. Remember a few years ago it was going around on Twitter about them trying to change the name of Cracker Barrel and they thought it was offensive. It might even start it as a meme, but then people took it seriously. It was trending for a while.

So they definitely tried it before. I was hoping that this was just one of those outrage marketing things when I first heard it. I was that that's ridiculous. Why would they, you know, why would they get rid of that? I do think, and we were talking about this beforehand, though, I think a bunch of us, I forget exactly who it was, that possibly the real conspiracy here isn't necessarily that they want to change the law. logo, but they want to change the entire business model away because they're trying to move away from sit and dining. A lot of

places are moving there. Cracker barrels have that whole front area before you sit down and eat. That's like a little boutique. It's like a family friendly. It's like one of the last like real family friendly place. Everything by the way when we go there. When we go there, though, as a family, when we go there with kids, it's like they spend all their time there. Because when you're waiting for the food to come,

the kids are like, I need this, I need this, I need this, I need one of these. I need some of this stuff, and it's like, eventually they kind of wear you down. Why eat at Cracker Burles, especially when I'm on trips, and I rarely see anybody in the boutique side actually buy anything. They go through and they look, you know, as they're waiting for their table, they'll look a little bit on their way out. But I don't see them buy much, and the price tag is why. So I think they probably are downsizing to something which is more bean counter-friendly. Brave-Bai says that it's 20% of the company's total revenue.

The whole idea for a rebrand, if you're changing that whole front boutique area, is going to be, what, the symbol. You want to remove the symbol so that people don't associate it anymore with, oh, we have family fun time at the boutique, and then, you know, we play on the enormous chessboard out front, and then get in the rocking chair right afterwards. And then, and then is when you're sitting there eating, they have Chinese checkers there for you to play, right? The peg game. Yeah, and the peg game. You see they made it woke? It's like a libtard version hour. They don't even, what?

They don't mock you if you, like, suck up. But that's not the, that's not the most, nice try. That's not to be the most profitable model in a society that doesn't have kids. So that Cracker Brails gift shop is in his truck. Which goes back to what you're saying about McDonald's, because McDonald's, when you were, when we were kids, I think we're all the kind of of an age for him, man. You actually, that's a great question. Do you remember McDonald's being awesome as a kid? It's always just been like the mediocre restaurant.

So you don't have that memory. What about the experience? Like when you went there, was it exciting? No, because There was a playground There was like one That had a play place I remember there

Yeah so Was it one of the big ones That had the massive Jungle gyms With the slides And the ball pit And there was tons of kids There was yeah

Yeah yeah No there was ball pits When we were all kids McDonald It was I want to say almost Every McDonald's Unless you were like

In the middle of the city Had this huge play area For kids And the inside Was designed for kids As well So there'd be like

Seats Constructed out of the characters and like the hamburgler would be like your bench that you were like It was fast food Disney World back when they had it was like Disney World yeah back when they had ashtrays That's great. It was literally like good old days. Ashtrays? Yeah. With ashtrays and it was and it was great because you know if you're there and if you're you know with mom or dad you know then they could they knew they could take the kids there and then hey cut them loose you know you go do your thing order the food food's coming in hey food's here you're gonna yell at them to get off the playground the world used to be made or at least the country used to be made for families for families and i will say and people i saw someone in the chat say but so we's gonna bring up europe i am you know what i am because going around uh you know i spent a bunch of time in poland this year for the election and uh successful wait polis people are smart enough to have elections i know somehow somehow well basically it's how many polish people does it take

Does it take that, but they just find the one. They just find the one. And then he picks and everyone's like, all right, they got it. And so they still have this. Hungary is the same way. It's still very pro-family. So you see stuff for kids everywhere. And I don't just mean like in McDonald's.

I mean, like you could walk into like a five-star restaurant and the very first thing you'll see off to the side is a kids area. And they'll say, okay, well, here's an area for the kids, there's some games, there's some toys. Sometimes they even have someone assigned to sort of watch that area. So you can go and sit at your table, right? It's probably not great for kids, even though you have to teach restaurant manners, but we all know how that goes. And they just have these kids areas that are totally incorporated in the world. And you even see it in, you know, just you go to offices or a place where you have a waiting room. There's a kid, there's kids area. There's just little kids areas everywhere.

You don't want to be mean to people who can't have children here. It's going to make them feel bad, which is why we need to take half of the public parts. All the playgrounds. Make everything sad. Right? Yeah, you want to make sure that you don't do anything, which is too family-oriented.

By the way, what if we made that a symbol, the American family? What if we made that a symbol and put it everywhere, mom and dad with kids and, you know, they're all of them together. Maybe that's the sign instead of my two dads? You know, what if we made that as similar? Have you noticed that American cities have just become completely anti-family? Okay. Everywhere I go now, it's just, there's just, and I don't see families anymore.

It's crazy. Well, part of the reason is because there are so few Gen Z and few millennials, like, millennials and Gen Z are vanishingly small generations. Oh, yeah, we eliminated 28% of Gen Z. But not just that. Here's the other thing to look at. This propaganda started, I would say, probably in the early 90s. It wasn't this bad in the 80s, but in the early 90s especially.

And then right about the time we hit 2000, 2003, it got really bad. There's no symbols anymore of an American family anywhere. And we need that propaganda. We really need that propaganda. It's so funny you mention this because this is something that I look for all the time, especially when I'm overseas, that you see it in Hungary, you see it in Poland, where they just have. And when you say propaganda, it's just like in an advertisement. for Coca-Cola or even McDonald's.

In those countries, they will include that. And you can look this up, foreign, you know, foreign images of the same company, and then they won't do it in America. This is an argument that I make all the time. Like, the left loves to say we need to center the margins, and that's a ridiculous concept. It's a ridiculous idea.

We need to center families, normal families with men and women and kids, because that's what you want to encourage. But do you know why they can't? So the feminist did this. Feminist destroyed it. The idea is the entirety of the government is moving towards women going to college. Women need to go to college.

They need to be educated. They need to have a fallback system for when the man inevitably screws them over, right? The truth is is that those years, those college years, that's childbearing years. Those are your best childbearing years. And you're wasting them at college and he got another four or five years after college to get your career established. at 30 and you have one kid. It's the most anti-family system that you could ever have envisioned. It's anti-human because families make more humans.

So if it's an anti-family policy, it's anti-human. But you need to be unhuman. Now you got over here somewhere? Now you have what? How many women do you have coming out of colleges right now who have these useless degrees? It's always psychology, sociology, sociology, early childhood development, danger, you know? It's useless. And as much I hate to say it, but.

as we know, that's, you know, is that really all they're doing on those campuses is studying for these degrees? Well, they're studying a lot of penises. No, it's Marxist boot camp. That's the truth. The truth is, is that these become, you know, issues of sexual deviancy, drugs, all of that, right? They're inundated in it almost immediately. Big party culture at colleges.

Nobody's going to dispute that. I mean, huge party cultures. And the entire idea is, okay, now she's gone through 10 different dudes. you know what I mean? Now she's ready to settle down. And now she's out of her girl boss phase. Oh, I got the degree, right? I got run through in college. Now I'm moving towards I want a family. And what guy wants them? What guy wants these entitled boss babes? And so anyway, that's a whole different thing. But the idea here is it is indeed an anti-family policy try to move women towards college as a fail-safe because men are evil and are going to screw them over. totally i mean we're moving towards the future where kids are going to have grand grandmas who had only fans that's like maybe happening right now right now right maybe happening right now we have great grandmas you have only shoes my grandma had more subs than yours oh my goodness that's hell that is yeah we're in hell i mean it's it's like yeah you find a picture of your grandmother when you know when she was

younger and it's like oh here she is with her family maybe a picture of her with friends you know now it's wasn't Barack Obama's mom basically an only Fans, girls. Through that. Yeah. Wasn't she one of the first? You're right. Yep.

You know, and married to a man. To your point about, you know, having women get into the workforce, essentially, I really think that that's the, one of the reasons for that is because generally it makes people unhappy and unhappy people tend to be more likely to be revolutionaries. Happy people don't, don't protest. They don't go and become activists. Unhappy people do. And if you have a generation of unhappy people, you're more likely to have a generation of activists and protesters, the people that will destabilize the nation.

There's something to that, but I would just reinforce the point by saying this, that women are the easier, they're much easier to propagandize than there are. Much, much easier to propagandize them, men are. There's a reason that they defer women into education, and they want women in control of lower education, especially. And that's where indoctrination begins. And that's why when you go to a public school, it's a nightmare. And little Johnny's sitting there with his hands folded quietly. And all he wants to do is go outside and play and not do anything else in this feminized school, right? But we don't allow that.

Well, I mean, this is, so I wrote the book on Humans last year. And this, this is the, what we're talking about here is the entire plot of the book. It's the thesis. And the, but the thesis is that at some level, it's deliberate. The deconstruction, yeah, the deconstruction is the point. The destabilization is the point. That's why you have Karen Bass, for example, you know, take this into a city level, where she was actually trained by Marxist revolutionaries out of Cuba at a young age and was

in these brigades and was taking trips down to Cuba for training and then comes up and people say, well, why is she pursuing these policies that destroy Los Angeles? That's the point. The destruction is the point. They don't actually care about the equality. or the social justice or the equity or the, oh, you're free to find your decision? No, they don't care about any of that stuff.

It's actually about destroying beauty. Yeah, and this is nothing new. Look at Hanoi Jane Fonda. Remember when she was going and hanging out with communists and she wanted to become a cultural sex symbol and this type of thing? What was she pushing? She was pushing socialist ideology as well.

And here's, so I'll segue into, and I think this might be our final topic before we moved to Super Chats. but this talking about, you know, messaging, talking about, you know, the pushing of things in society. Of all places, Snoop Dog, folks, Snoop Dog is the one speaking out. Snoop Dog is criticizing LGBTQ characters in children's movies, lament kids going to ask questions, said he didn't have answers when his grandson questioned a same-sex couple having a baby. in a children's movie, and I think they may of, uh, here's, yeah, here's the line.

He says, I'm going to read this. Why my grandson in the middle of the movie like Papa Snoop? How does she have a baby with a woman? Is she a woman? Oh, S. Can you read that as Snoop? I didn't come in for this, as I just came to watch the G movie. Hey, man, watch the movie.

They just said she and she had a baby. They both women. and how she have a baby, the movie ain't over with. And it's like, and that's Snoop Dog, right? You know, he just comes out. And I think, I think things have gotten to a certain kind of point when you've got Snoop Dog pushing back against the destabilization of culture,

specifically movies intended for children. Well, can we just finally all admit that blacks have always been pretty based on the gay issue? They're not down. They're not down. They've always been pretty based on it. The download brothers. You got to look at the,

but look at what happened in California. I mean, they stopped. It was, it was the black vote was a deciding vote against gay marriage. What was the prop?

It was, where they voted against it. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. So, I mean, they were the deciding vote. They, you know,

blacks, not big fans. Not big fans. Look where Snoop is today. Look where Snoop is today. Look where Lil Nas X is today. One's railing against this crazy stuff.

And Lil Nas X is in jail. It's staggering through the street. Lil, just. Yeah. naked walking there you go who would have ever thought that the guy who put blood in his shoes was going to have a bad ending the guy who danced on on the on satan yeah interesting who would have thought it was prop eight it was prop eight in california i thought it was prop eight it was a ballot

initiative that amended the state constitution and then was overruled by the supreme court of course snoop actually and people people forget this but i uh snoop actually performed at uh trump's inauguration at one of the parties so he performed at the crypto ball i was there so So I think that counts as me have seen Snoop live. I'm not trying to, like, come down on Snoop, but like... I'm just saying he was there. He was there. Let us have it.

I'm not trying to down it. But it is, now is the, it's like a safe time to do this, too, right? Like, culturally, five years ago. Kanye was doing this years ago. Yeah, if he was coming out saying this kind of stuff, five, six, seven, eight years ago, he would have been, pardon the pun, but dogpiled. Ah! But, but, you know, it's nice to see, but he is being, even if he is being opportunistic,

isn't that still a good sign that he's saying hey wait a minute the undercurrent in rap even at the time 10 years ago they were still pretty against LGBT yeah but isn't that isn't that the big conspiracy theory in rap though that like Tupac was oh yeah it's possible the undercover thing is definitely that that's not a joke but it's not a joke in the Republican Party either and it's not a joke you know like it

Tupac and Lindsey Graham would have been friends that that is the case that there's a lot of these undercovers who are around I just, I'm not sure that they're any more plagued with it than any other specific community is, especially in the music industry, which is one of the most degenerate places on planet Earth. And here in the entertainment industry, also hyper degenerate, as you know. And, well, this was one of the big things where the Diddy trial, people kept, you know, kind of wondering where, you know, is there going to be more? Is this guy the Black Epstein? Are they going to have more, you know, more of this coming out? And it's like, nothing more really come out, came out of that.

A bit of a flop. It's just all sort of like, it just all sort of went away. And I was like, and it reminded me, you know, to your point about Epstein earlier, it was, it reminded me of the Galeen Maxwell trial where everybody was telling me, oh, there's going to be so much that comes. There's so much that comes. And it hasn't. We should, actually, you know, this happened since, you know, Serge, we didn't have this on the list. But, you know, Shane, since we, I don't think Tim has had a show since this has happened, Glane Maxwell transcripts have come out. Yeah.

I trust her as much as I trust the 9-11. passports. And it's most certainly doesn't look like she's able to talk about that for pardon at all. But I'm happy to hear all this. This is great. I just, I want to see people speaking like I told you when I did your show.

Yeah. I want to see people on, you know, on for all of us to see. Because I don't trust it. I see people in prison. Well, that's exactly right.

Right, right. I would say, I'll, I'll say this and I'll put my like, my get mohap back on, you know, good, good first meeting, right? You know, and if that's,

I certainly hope that that is a series of meetings. Because there's so many different things that she mentions in this transcript. Or like at one point she goes, you know, they, they say, because Toblan, she doesn't ask a lot of open-ended questions, but one of the open-ended questions, which is something, by the way, I'd like the open-ended questions better because then they might say something that reveals themselves versus if you give them a yes, no, it's a lot easier. So he says at one point, did you perform any money laundering?

And she goes, like, well, I think he did for some cartels. and it's like, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, pause. Can we get some follow-ups on that? Which, which cartels, you know, what were we talking about here? You know, they ask about Mossad, did you work, did you work with Mossad? And she goes, you know, not knowingly, not knowingly. You don't think that this was all pre-coached. You know, I'm sure there's a lot of that.

I'm sure there's a lot of pre-coaching. But again, that's what I'm saying is that that's why you ask the open-ended questions because even in those cases, you do. get the opportunity for the person to, you know, to slip up. And at which point, okay, you know, the lawyer might step in or whatever it is. But at the same time, you know, you've got to do more and you've got to continue. I feel like this is just damage control at this point on my side of the aisle for Trump. I do think he could have gone down on Fifth Avenue and shot someone and still had support.

But you don't protect Epstein and get support. And so, and I think that that narrative, which was crafted, is sticking to him and is sticking to him pretty hard. And people want answers in the Epstein files. And they want a hundred percent ad. Didn't Barr testify as well recently behind closed doors? Barr testified as well. And some of it leaked where he said that Trump himself was not implicated.

But I think that's what leaked that's come out so far. I don't think Trump's guilty or a part of it, really. I think he's probably just, he keeps saying he wants to protect people who were listed with this stuff. The files don't even mean much to me. Honestly, he's like the files have been through so many hands and different administrations. I want to see people go to prison. I want to see them testify. before the public and well like we know what happened with prince andrew why isn't he in jail

right we already know right so when people say oh there weren't there weren't clients like well what was Andrew yeah what was less wexner define that what was less wexler doing the girl that he did that to who went public explained the whole racket and said that you know like these women were being groomed and like so you know wait wait wait so that woman this this was something that just broke that apparently she had written a book Virginia Defree, which even though she's died at this point, under questionable circumstances. No, she tripped and fell. Of course.

That I believe the book is still coming out. And it's going to be coming out soon. Well, like, Prince Andrew, it's like he just won't visit the U.S. And he's like, I'm not interested. Ever, ever again. I really want to see people be asked certain questions like the guard in Epstein's prison who let Epstein make that final phone call. call, Epstein said he was calling his mom, who'd been dead for years, ended up calling

Karina Shuliac his girlfriend at the time. Like, what went down with that? Why was that allowed to happen? The crippling part was, was Dan Bongino. The crippling part was when Dan Bongino was drafted into the administration, I watched Von Gino. I watched his coverage of Epstein for six months, okay? And when he was getting in the administration, and then he came out within weeks and was like, yeah, there's nothing to see here. I was like, what? Wait, What? That was not, it was not a good selling point. Once they, when they released the files and gave them to all the influencers and all of this, it was an optical nightmare. The video. Where's Banjino? You know, Bongino has been remarkably quiet about all of this. And, um, I think he knows that

something's up and he's just not really spilling the beans yet. Epstein's alive. I, I guarantee you he's alive. They switched them out. I'm dead seriously. I actually, there's, look, I'm not the 10-4 will hack guy, but, you know, his brother had his own investigation done with very credible you know, forensic analysis and he doesn't think that that that was Epstein.

Michael Biden, I think. He doesn't believe the official story at all. I mean, they had their own evidence. But his body's cremated, right? Nowadays. Yeah, Epstein's body. Yeah. Allegedly. Yeah. Something was so I'm saying. Like, it's not like he could dig it up.

Now whether, now whether, now I'm not go as far as to say he's still alive, right? But I'm just saying it's very credible. It is very credible that the official story shouldn't really be trusted at all. Yeah, no. I mean, it's, it's one of those situations where when you've got people, it's, you know, like we're saying, it's like the locked door, you know, mystery, where we've got so many people wanting to know what's going on. And when you've got a level of criminality that's being discussed here, that's just so heinous and so disgusting. And at the elite level. And involving people, you know, Ehud Barak and Prince Andrew and heads of state and, you know, Bill Clinton how many times to the island. And,

and people are just not going to let go. They're just absolutely not going to let go. And it's cross his administration for some administration. And when you sit down and say, and this is why there was such a backlash when this memo got dropped. I think it was the 4th of July or the 4th weekend that, oh, that's the end, that people just freaked out. They said, what do you mean that's the end? That is not the end. And we refuse. We refuse to. Well, if Trump doesn't do, if he doesn't move on, I mean, people aren't letting this one go. And if he doesn't, if there's not something, if they're not, if they don't start pushing something out, there's going to be a massive problem with his base because I've never seen so many Trump supporters pissed off about an issue

as I have about this. Not ever, never. Clearly the biggest one. But the, but the pull. But the don't say that. CNN said otherwise. Oh. Okay. So, well, I mean, well, you're asserting that there's a lot of people that actually care about that. There are a lot of people, there are a narrow group of people that are very vocal about this. It doesn't mean that it doesn't mean that it's going to change anyone's vote. Here's what I would. And it's those vocal people, those vocal, the, the influencers and things like that, they're the ones who are always the disseminator of Trump's message. Here's what I would argue, here's I argue, that the, because you're talking about

the political aspect of it. The political aspect of it, and we do have to go to superchats. I'm looking at the clock. The political vulnerability that it creates is a path for an independent or even a Democrat to come in and use this issue to totally take the momentum back from all of the legitimate wins that have been put on the board. They are. We put a ton on just up tonight.

But it is a way for someone to sweep in and say, oh, but you didn't. do this. Do you think that it, do you think that moves people? Because the, the argument that I've seen always retort it is like, where was all this energy for four years when Biden was in office? I don't think, I don't, I don't think, Democrats don't care about the issue. I don't think that if you could find a Democrat that credibly rallied around this, it would be very, very political potent, politically potent. I don't know if it's enough to like save the Democrat Party or the Democrat brand, but it's way better than anything. Yeah, I don't, I don't think that it could save the Democrats. It's enough to attack the MAGA brand, though.

It's, oh, yeah. And the thing is, is that a lot of, they're going to use anything they can to attack the MAGA. Look, I'm not, I don't disagree, but some things that you attack people with, like you're saying, much more potentant than others. So it's your opinion that this sticks then, or could stick? It is, it is sticking. I've never seen so many influencers this pissed off. I've never seen so many people in the MAGA base pissed off. Guys I talked to or supporters from day one, even when the J6 stuff was going on, they weren't backing off an inch. They are furious about this. Are they furious about the fact that things haven't been released?

Yes. They're furious about the fact that they think Trump's sitting on evidence of this and they don't know why I won't release it. That's what they believe. That seems so. I'm getting I'm getting clocked out. I'm going to say goodbye really quick. I'm going to run them on my show. This is a pleasure.

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See you all later. Thanks, ma'am. Love you, Shane. Love you, man. All right, we got to rock. Let's hit some of these super chats. We have the first one. It's a strange name.

It says, Leekma Joneson. And it says any episode with Poso is a good episode. Hashtag Pizza Hut Nationalism. Yeah, and Pizza Hut nationalism is basically what I was talking about, about, you know, McDonald's. Pizza Hut used to be awesome, man.

I heard there was a big salad bar. I remember like faint memories of a salad bar. Yeah, there was a big, there was a bit making it great. Making it great. Don't even, like. You may, hang on. You know what? I got the best Pizza Hut one.

I don't like it because it reminds me of that commercial and it reminds me of how good it was and how truly amazing that place was. Wasn't it a Pizza Hut commercial at the very beginning of the original teenage mutant ninja turtles? Yeah, and Land Before Time. Yeah. Whereas like the kid in the ball game or whatever. yeah there was the there was that there was the baseball game one and then the other one was the birthday party with the with the cheese and the straws yeah um was one and it was brilliant marketing and it was i mean just like it it was basically the the plot of the movie sandlot but it as a commercial but it ends with a pizza hud visit with all the friends i mean come on at the beginning of a kids movie yeah come on just forget about it's taken everything forget about they really have they really have bit by bit so pizza hot and they're custom that movie too they te All right. Let's go in Millennial Mama. I love history. I've always wanted to go to D.C. Do you think it's safe enough now for a mom and daughter? Where is the best place to say? It is safe enough now. Best place to stay. Of course, you know, check your budget. Obviously, there's some really good options right across the river, right, across the Potomac in northern Virginia. So it's really easy to get back and forth. If you're driving, if you take an Uber, you go to Metro. Come now, right? Come before the, come while this is all going on. Because,

this is absolutely the best time to visit at D.C. The Booney, okay, Keel is saying the Booney's able to send Rep. Burchett a long board for his birthday.

The 28th Amendment board is my personal favorite. I guess we'll... It's not the B-Gay board? I'll pass that to the C in the team. Hopefully not that one, yeah. I don't think we have any long boards, though. Oh, wow. Is this, did this just happen?

Did Trump, Trump fired the Federal Reserve Governor. That just happened, yeah. Oh, okay. I haven't been on that. Oh, wow, appreciate the heads up, guys. That was great. Good work.

I'm just here, like, hosting the show here. That's awesome. Good, good, absolutely. Keep doing it. Use power. Always use power. Couldn't disagree. Couldn't agree more with that.

Andrew, you look like you have lost weight. Great job. Not one step back. Not one step back, man. Love that. Andrew Schauer is writing promo code Tanae, I don't know who that is. I'm sorry, I just can't say that.

Wyatt Caldenberg. Is it tenant? Could be, could be. Rep Kurt Walden's daughter was threatened by the FBI. They ordered him to stop investigating the FBI and Saudi San Diego connection with 9-11. Also, they did the same to the co-chair of the 9-11 committee. Wyatt, not only do I already know about that, I can confirm that because I was there in 2006 as an intern for Kurt Weldon's campaign when they raided us.

over these claims about his daughter being connected to Russia. It was never substantiated. It was never actually charged. But instead, they did so several weeks before the election in order to swing the election to the Democrat. Joe Sestak in a very tight race. He went on to be completely disgraced. But Kurt Weldon was somebody who absolutely called out the truth about what the U.S. knew about 9-11 and the hijackers prior to.

the thing actually happening. And yeah, I was right there in working on the campaign and it was 2006 and I remember the rate. I was not there when the raid happened. I just like physically wasn't there that day. But I remember coming in like that afternoon. And it was like, so. How does it where they do?

It's like super early. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. They got through everything. Oh, yeah. Oh, geez. Where it was nuts.

And they hit. And it wasn't just the offices that were hit. It was the family. It was his like personal home. it was all this and that was when muller was the FBI director and and they had he's been asking too many questions and so he just did an episode on Tucker and everyone should go check that out and it's like it's like why am why is posobic the way that he is well you know because of you because of you all right we got any

more do you have any rumble rants we guys remember there I was looking for him that's from robo rants we have a lot actually tonight just want to pop out hold on what of one of this? We got what we got? Yeah, I don't know. No, that's kind of the same one. I don't know. I just trying to do this one.

I want to see, wait, wait, wait, wait, go back to that right there. I want to see proof of life and not just support a coup on Timcast. Tim, Tim, we need proof. Phil, there was one comment. I happen to see it earlier where people were accusing you of possibly having Tim tied up in the basement

Can you can you can you I wouldn't bring him to my house I'm amazing amazing Tim fool in the closet yeah no no no he's going back in the whoa whoa no wait wait wait no you can cut that right

we're not oh god oh man now it's all over so over noted all burnings occur when a foreign flag or terrorist flag is being shown. So a lot of people talking about the, about the flag burning, a lot of questions about that. Yeah, it really makes people mad. Yeah, I know it's like they gaslight you. Like, no, I am offended when people burn the flag. It's okay to be offended

every once in a while. Like, I am kind of offended. Well, because it's just more pissed off. I feel like like you have to, you have to learn to get offended and that you have to learn to not turn those feelings off the way they're telling you to say, oh, well, well, you shouldn't have that it's okay right it's like that's the feminine response right that's that we were talking about earlier about like the you know the empathetic the fairness and it's like you know that that's my flag yeah it's like faux stoicism i'm like no i am yeah a little i'm triggered yeah it's true actually yeah and actually there are times when it's warranted and that this does and we can use reason to reason that a response is warranted this should be against the law does it make our country better

does it make our country greater is a good example for children yes yeah well to To arrest them, yes. Yes. To arrest them. Yes. Someone right here, yeah, with a super chat. The flag isn't allowed to touch the ground. Burning it is not free speech at all.

It's anti-country. That's part of the flag code, I think, though. I don't think it's law, but I think it's part of the flag code. It can't touch the ground. It's part of flag code. And the point is, like, why do we have all of this flag code if it's not backed up by anything? Who cares? You know, I'll say, when I was in military, if you, you know, if you're on flag duty,

oh my gosh you know you had to be aren't the balls at the top of the flagpole there they have like a razor blade and a map and a pistol or something in them you know there's certain things that I just can't reveal while I'm on the show here like this but no there there's all sorts of things like that with flags especially

on the old ships they would have stuff like that though and it's like you take the razor blade the map leads you to some spot with the pistol so you take the razor blade and then he cut up the map and then he used the pistol on yourself rather than rather than let the flag to fall an enemy hands or something.

It's pretty based. Yeah. It's pretty based. Yeah, someone here says he is a, who, well, he's a twice-deployed infantry combat vet who, you know, hates the U.S. flag. So the U.S. flag is as degenerate as the, as the, as gross as the rainbow flag to me. So that's someone to put in. So, yeah, there's definitely a lot, and that's kind of what you're talking about.

I mean, he could also just be lying. You could also be lying. You know, he could just be like, well, I'm a two-tribe combat vet, special forces. I went to... I went over to W.W. NAM for, and, you know, like, he could just be full of shit. By and large, now, maybe he's not. But by and large, this is just what I've noted,

that most veterans seem to have some veneration towards the flag. Well, I mean, this is the flag that gets draped on your coffin when you pass away as a veteran, and then that flag gets folded up and handed to your spouse, right? You know, and so it's, it's, you know, on behalf of a grateful nation. And so if it doesn't matter or does it not? And I think that if a nation exists and we know that nations exist and that their symbols should be protected and given. And yes, it is a, it is an extra measure of protection because, you know, to the point of, well, if I would go buy a flag, can I just burn something that I own?

It's like, well, uncertainty this is no, actually. You can't. Yeah. It's part of that like propositional nation crap that's all over place. for domestic violence for breaking your own plate I don't want to hear this shit you literally you could be arrested and get taken away for domestic violence

for breaking your own PlayStation because you get upset like it's not a joke and so it's like I don't want to hear any of it it's such bullshit yeah I mean I I keep hearing you know I do hear some people saying that okay so looking in the chat some people talking about Trump needs to needs to go against legal immigration he needs to fight harder against it

he, you know I didn't like that there was that comment it just authorized all those Chinese coming about the Chinese students I don't know that I didn't love that unacceptable which by the way if you want to hurt

that's how we'll be a little tear up their people universities you cut off on this you cut down on that because foreign students have to pay full freight they don't get you know in state tuition and all this they have to pay full freight

and so this is why they you know it comes from the from overseas it typically comes from Chinese elite CCP elite and then you're getting them paying to the universities which is a massive cash cow for them these foreign students they love it

and then of course that when they come to our country what do they you know they they're stealing research they're stealing so much and then they go back to their country by and large now so why are we subsidizing or allowing these educational institutions to have the elite, the next generation of the CCP's elite come to our schools. It just doesn't make any sense at all. Yeah, there was this interesting thing people would bring up when they're talking about like Harvard and they'd be

like they're excluding Asian students. And then it's a step that's even worse as the Asians that are there, majority of them aren't Asian Americans. They're Chinese students that have come there. So it's like, yeah, even at the highest level, it's like, it's way worse than you think. And just to you To back to your point of it, every time you're allowing a student at one of these institutions other than an American, you're taking a spot from an American kid. Broadly speaking with immigration, too. It's like that's a house and a job and a public school and everything. It's like someone's getting pushed out. We actually live in a finite world.

We actually live in a world that has finite resources. We don't live in, I'm sorry that the 1960s lied to you, but. What about my GDP? Yeah, my GDP go up. GDP go up. Number go up. All morality is cogwheel. GDP go up. It's cogwheel. Cogwheel. GDP go up. That good.

Blank slate. Tabula rasa. All people are same. All people are same. Everyone, everyone can get this. I think we're pretty much winding down at this point. Let's, Andrew. One more. One more. Sorry. Sorry. Yeah, right there. As a Timcast tradition, tradition. I'm donating from the... No way. Oh my gosh. Happens all the time. As is Timcast tradition, I'm donating from the delivery room holding my first son.

Greatest feeling in the world, have more babies. We are very pro-baby here at Timcast. I mean, I really hope someone wasn't listening to this while she was giving. So does that mean that these conversations are the first thing that someone just heard? It's a cracker barrel of their entire life. It's got to be better than hearing. I mean. All right, you've got one.

make more make more babies families are how we save America make more babies that's wild we had like we had like one of those planned earth documentaries

on I think of it happens most nights like honestly most nights most nights of the week we'll get someone that says hey I'm here

just carrying on the tradition Tim sent one in when his daughter was I don't have that tradition but I get a lot of people to say just had my first baby last night things like that always happy to hear that.

I mean, it's, it's, it's how, it's a numbers game. It's a numbers game at the end of the day. Okay, now we're going around, Andrew. My name is Andrew Wilson, host of the Crucible. You can find that on YouTube and on Rumble. Also, you can find me on Twitter at Paleo-ChristCon. I guess it's Twitter X now. And you can also find me every day Monday through Thursday

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