Timcast IRL - Trump SLAMS Ukraine President In TENSE WH Meeting, Epstein Story EXPOSED w/ Mike Cernovich & Rob Smith

Episode Date: March 1, 2025

Tim, Phil, & Ian are joined by Mike Cernovich & Rob Smith to discuss what really happened at the White House with the release of the Epstein Files Binders, Trump & JD Vance slamming Zelenskyy in heated meeting at the Oval office, WaPo staffers quit over Bezos' change to the opinion section. Hosts: Tim @Timcast (everywhere) Phil @PhilThatRemains (X) Ian @IanCrossland (everywhere) Serge @SergeDotCom (everywhere) Guests: Mike Cernovich @Cernovich (X) Rob Smith @robsmithonline (X) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Thank you. many minds about it. Of course, many liberal-leaning personalities say this is an embarrassing moment for the United States. Vladimir Putin was the only winner. However, many on the right are saying Zelensky, the president of Ukraine, was arrogant and dismissive of the concerns that J.D. Vance and Donald Trump had, which is an insane strategy in a negotiation. Still, it's remarkable to see this degree of conversation happening in public. Trump even saying the American people should see this. This, you know, I'm going to give my opinion right away. I mean, Zelensky, it was shocking how he needed to be deferential to the country that was providing him hundreds of billions of dollars to save to save itself. And he wasn't.

He was argumentative. This this could theoretically end the war. Well, not in their favor if the U.S. just basically abandons them. So we're going to talk about that. But we are at a special party, and we are hanging out with a bunch of really great people. We're going to be discussing what exactly is going on with the Epstein files. Because as you know, yesterday, there's this big hubbub around influencers who are given this binder. In fact, it's actually sitting right here.

I'm not going to hold it up because that is a taboo. All the influencers holding it up. Everybody was like, you're taking selfies instead of breaking this binder. In fact, it's actually sitting right here. I'm not going to hold it up because that is a taboo. All the influencers holding it up. Everybody was like, you're taking selfies instead of breaking this news. But we have Mike Cernovich here who's going to break down for us exactly what went down, how it all happened. And we're also joined by Rob Smith who's going to be hanging out and talk to us. Before we get started, head over to castbrew.com. Buy Cast Brew Coffee. It's delicious.

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Joining us tonight, as I mentioned, we've got Rob Smith hanging out. Yeah, man. Who are you? What do you do? Who am I? What do I do? Man, Rob Smith at Rob Smith Online. I've got a podcast called Can't Cancel Rob Smith. Just dropped a new episode, actually, right now. So go get that on Apple Podcasts, iHeart, wherever you get your podcasts.

Man, I just run my mouth on social media. I am a Iraq War veteran. I served in 4th ID, a couple tours in the Middle East. I've been out here on social media in these social media streets for years. I have been at a couple of these White House Influencer Summits, but not the one that happened yesterday. Unfortunately, I did not make that one. So I know that that was quite the controversy.

Right on. Well, we're also hanging out with Mike Cernovich, who was there. Yeah, I was there, here to handle all the drama. Break it down and tell us the details about what really happened. The details and the real news. What frustrated me about yesterday is we had, and I posted my notes online, we had all these notes. There was a whole media strategy.

There were all these things to talk about, but I was under embargo for three hours and I'm just watching people, including people that I've done nothing but retweet and help saying the terrible things about me. And for three, and then I made four videos actually in response. I kept getting, I was with a friend of mine, Eric. And I was like, you know what? I'm not even going to respond to anything. I'm going to let the hyenas reveal themselves. I want to let everybody tell on themselves because I want to know who is on the blacklist now. And a lot of people were. And I was like, wow, that's interesting.

I checked my DMs. I was like, oh, wow. I have 15 DMs from you asking me to retweet your stuff, especially when you had an asean career. You didn't have anything. Oh, but you forgot how to use a DM now when you could try to bash me. Yeah. Good job. So, look, Mike, we were talking about this last night.

And first of all, there's nobody. Sorry. Let's jump into this conversation after we get through everybody. So, Ian. I'm happy Ian Crossland in the house, bro. Let's fucking roll. My name is Phil Labonte. I'm the lead singer of the heavy metal band All That Remains.

I'm an anti-communist and counter-revolutionary. Let's go. So, should we hold up the binder? They'll screen cap you and then you'll be in the drama. Oh, God, they're going to screen cap me. Okay. This is what the binder would look like. Don't smile, because if you smile, that means you obviously don't care about people. Can we open the binder?

Yeah, yeah, show everybody. Show everybody what the first page is. The first page. Oh, don't show. It's blank. Okay, no, no, you're fine. There's nothing. Yeah, you can show them everything.

Okay, the first page is just blank. Here's a table of contents. I think this is the third page. Can I just start leaping through it? Yeah, yeah, there's nothing. Here's page... Okay, now we're getting into the juicy grits of the binder. I don't know what all these words and names are.

Maybe you can explain them, Michael. Well, yeah, let's start from the beginning. This is it. Yeah, so we'll start from the beginning. The number one lie that was told... Well, there were so many lies, how can you keep track, was, and it was funny because I ran into a friend randomly, we won't say who, and we were hanging out, and then I texted Rob to come hang out. We wound up meeting in person finally.

And it was so funny because the internet was like doing whatever and we're just hanging out. And the timeline of it was interesting because there were – a couple weeks ago, there was a summit to discuss new media strategies, and the press pool is going to change. They want people like you doing interviews in the White House. They wanted to take over – they wanted WACA, the White House Correspondents Association, which is a cartel that would exclude people like you and us. They were ending the cartel. So everything was about here's a new media strategy. And there were people from the Federalists that were covering other things. And then there were a few of us who were in one room because you can only have so many people.

And so we go there. They take our phones. They claim it's a secure room, whatever. No phones. We get briefings from everybody. I can't say who, but from everybody. It was on background, which a lot of people who don't have any journalistic ethics, like, well, wait, why didn't you, why did you wait three hours? Well, because it was an embargo. It was called an embargo. There's a reason people talk to me and not the people that are going after me, because I was an embargo. An embargo means an embargo. There's a reason people talk to me and not the people that are going after me because it was an embargo.

An embargo means you can smear me for three hours and there is nothing that I can do to defend myself. But that's the honor. That's the honor system. So no phones. Great day. Trump ends up. We got the challenge coins. Trump, we weren't really supposed to meet Trump.

You know how it is in the White House. Trump rule. Chaotic, right? And they're just like, oh, here's Trump. Oh, here's these guys. And the whole point of the meeting was that we want Tim Kass, we want the Federalists, we want Breitbart, we want Rob Smith. We want people covering the media alongside the New York Times because they're all

the New York Times and WACA is spreading a hoax that only pro-Trump people are going to be allowed. That's just an abject lie. As you can see, if you're there, they're just saying that, no, these other people that you excluded with your cartel like behavior can't be excluded anymore. Right. And so we get all these, I have all these notes, I feel like I'm back in law school and I'm taking notes, super hyped. And then the, I can't say who, but you can guess who, because again, it's on background, which means I can't say who the person was, but we get the big box of stuff comes in.

Binders, Epstein files, right? Like, oh, that's interesting. They brief us and they go, hey, don't overhype this. Here's what's going on. We thought we had all the files we needed, but we found out that there's been stonewalling and destruction

of evidence, and Anna Paulina has said this publicly, and this was a different person who told us. So here's a letter to Kash Patel. The story is the letter. The files we're giving you because we want to show like, hey, we're doing what we can do. We're doing what we can do. Don't overhype them.

Downplay expectations. But the letter was mainly, was the big story. Embargo's till 3. Okay, great. So we have our meetings. They go into the Oval Office. Everybody's like super hyped up now because Trump's in there. If anybody wants any of that information, I can talk about all that. But

everybody's super wound up. And we leave the Oval Office after taking our pictures and getting our coins and our markers and everything. And then, here's the marker. I'll show you. They're pretty cool. The ASMR executive pin marker. We'll show you. They're pretty cool. The ASMR executive pin marker. Yeah, I've got one of those from Trump 1.0. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They're extra squeaky, right? The marker, yeah.

Yeah. So everybody's like wound up. And then the UK people needed the room that we were in in the West Wing. So they're like, sorry, guys, we've got to leave. We're going to go up to the other room in the Eisenhower building. It's actually the interview room where J.D. Vance had his I don't really care Margaret moment. So we go. So we're walking down from the West Wing.

And then I felt like I was walking into a firing squad because I don't like people to know that what I do because then all people do is blood suck. Oh, Cerno. Oh, how do I meet Trump? trump oh and then they get jealousy like well why are you there and not all it does is causes me problems so everybody who actually knows me knows that i'm always like look i'm irrelevant i'm a loser don't text me lose my number i can't do anything because i don't want people to know because because it's just manipulative and i I'm like, oh my gosh. And then some people may have turned over because they go, what are you holding? So everybody's just kind of like, well, here's what you, it's like a natural reaction. And if you see the one

picture, I was like trying to hide my face. My eyes were like, where's Waldo? And then I put it down and then they're like, oh, you smirked. You don't understand the series at the moment. Like, no, I tried to hide my face. The smirk was I was like, now I'm caught. I got caught. It felt like you were leaving a brothel, and then it was like your girlfriend was out there, right? You're like, oh, man.

But you're like, you're leaving a frat party or something. You're like, man, I'm totally caught. And then we had to go up to the room, we still don't have phones we don't have our phones they took your phones from you yeah so we didn't have our phones and then all the people are posting pictures of us wow so i was like oh man and then i get my phone back at like 12 45 12 50 and then i'm tagged in all these pictures and then they're like oh they got the Epstein Falls and I'm like dude I'm under embargo I can't I can't say that they're nothing even though I'd been briefed they were nothing but that they were trying to get what they had and the real story was

the the letter from the AG to cash that was the real story I'm like man so I started DMing people you know you you guys called and I was was like, guys, it's nothing. Here's the letter. It's under embargo until 3. Trying to manage expectations back scene. And then on the back, in the back of the scene, right? And then that all becomes, oh, you're covering up. And why did you guys only get these things?

And why didn't we? So for three hours, I just had to let people like give me a licking right and it was a lot of people i was surprised i was like man man all all these years and you can't send me a dm before you before you put me on blast what why do you think that they released it to five people and not to the public let me let me i'm sorry we'll follow up with that um what i wanted to point out to a lot of people who don't know is that the only reason we have these files, whatever they may be, even if it's 10 years old, is because you filed legal paperwork which broke open the Epstein story. That is you. When I saw people coming out of the White House and you're in the background kind of like looking away and like trying to get away from the cameras, there was no moment in my mind where I was like, how come Mike is there?

I was like, of course Mike is there. He broke this story. Literally, you were the guy? The guy that started the... How did it start? It started, there was a defamation action brought against Ghislaine Maxwell. And everything, my lawyer Mark Randazzo,

who's a First Amendment lawyer, and he sent me this case file, and everything was just redacted. And he goes, hey, aren't you always, like, talking about Epstein? And I go, yeah. And he said, well, here's a backdoor way for you to get Epstein information, because it was a defamation case, there were depositions. It wasn't against Epstein, but it involved him, because it was a civil lawsuit against Ghislaine Maxwell.

So we filed what was called a motion to intervene on behalf of Cerno Media, my media company, and a motion to unseal. Wow. And so we filed that. And we lost at the trial court level. And then we went up on appeal to the Second Circuit. And in the meantime, the Miami Herald then filed, they joined mine. So they joined my motion to intervene and motion to unseal. They also lost.

And then it all went up to the Second Circuit Court of Appeals. And then an oral argument, it became so obvious that the files would be unsealed that Epstein was arrested the weekend after oral arguments indicated... And Tim can confirm this. I want to stress this. Yeah. Epstein was a free man. Yes.

Mike filed these papers. Miami Herald joins. Yep. Epstein gets arrested. What did he get arrested for? Well, the indictment thing is a whole other story we've talked about before, where it was a containment operation. So if you read the indictment against Epstein, they charged the minimal amount of conduct that you could charge

that would allow you to create a media firestorm around it and make it look like you were doing something. But they didn't contemporaneously raid the New Mexico property, the island, because I remember Luke Lukowski was going down the island. The FBI hadn't even gone there. The criminal case against Epstein was actually a containment operation, which is a different discussion, which we've had before, because I explained that there's Mann Act violations that

weren't charged. It really was. It was like, well, we've got to charge him with something. We'll charge him when he got a massage in his apartment. Therefore, we could only search his apartment. We can we could only search his apartment. We can't search Santa Fe because all this is about is him getting a massage from a 16-year-old containment operator. It was a mop-up operation, clearly. But that's what they charged him with, but they didn't charge him until the Second Circuit oral argument.

The oral argument is actually pretty funny. They go, well, why can't you unseal these records? You can't be in federal court and have confidentiality. You can be in arbitration and have confidentiality. You can have an NDA, which unfortunately a lot of media outlets use to silence people. You can put people under NDA and mandate arbitration, but once you're in federal court, that's all public. Other than your social security number, your address, financial revenue records, you can redact confidential information, but you can't just say, the whole legal theory and allegations and everything can't be redacted. So the Second Circuit oral argument where Rindaz was there and the Miami Herald was there,

they go, what are you talking about? Of course, and it was obvious. So if you read the contemporaneous media coverage, which a lot of people didn't read at the time and they don't know how to look up, you can say oral argument says Miami Herald and Cernovich are going to get this. Then they arrest Epstein a couple days later when he's flying back.

So if there isn't me and there isn't the Miami Herald, 100% he doesn't get indicted. 100%. This is not up for rational debate. Go ahead. It was a crazy chain of events when all this was going down, and I remember Luke being like, they arrested him! What happened?

Now here we are. How many years ago was that? Eight years? 2019, I think. 2019, so six or so years. Now we have this moment at the White House where the files are coming out. Follow-up question from earlier. They give these files to five people or so? No, no, everybody in the room got it, 15.

Okay, but why 15? Why a small select group and not the public? Why shouldn't they? What was your take on that? No, I mean, I hate that question because everybody online is like, well, it's pretty normal for some people to get releases of information that they can go through. And, like, why just release it online and then every random person can post some random thing out of context?

In case gatekeepers get a hold of it and decide? I mean, 20 people, you can't gatekeep 20 people, right? So, for example, the files were pretty much nothing, and one of them was a black book. But if they just do some general release, some lunatic is going to say, oh, look trump trump was in it you're like it was a black book walter isaacson was in it uh ivana trump was in it it was just a list of phone numbers it's like if somebody goes into your email they're like oh wow you had his email therefore there's this so a lot of people handle things irresponsibly so if it's

one person or two people or three people then the the whole, like, well, maybe it's being gatekept could be possible. But with 20 people, there's just no way to gatekeep it. Do you think this was a stunt, a PR stunt? The debate is, and this is how some people who were there yesterday feel, I don't feel this way. There's three theories. The theory I have, the theory that we were set up, and then the theory that it was 4-D chess. So the 4-D chess theory is that the reaction of everybody yesterday was so intense that that's really going to pressure SDNY and the FBI to know people are really mad.

You've got to give something real. So it was all 4-D chess. The setup thing was like, we got set up to look bad. That wasn't the vibe of the meeting. Hey, everybody come in. You're going to get briefed by everybody. Trump's going to give everybody a coin. Trump's whole thing is you guys are the media now.

There's people now on Air Force One who are with the Daily Wire on Air Force One. If you guys want to get on Air Force One, you're going to be able to. So, oh, hey, you guys can be on Air Force One if you want. Apply. We'll get you on. Oh, you want to get on Air Force One, you're going to be able to. So, oh, hey, you guys can be on Air Force One if you want. Apply. We'll get you on. Oh, you want to go to an international meeting?

Posobiec went to, I think, the Ukraine stuff. You can go. Oh, but we're going to set you up. Like, what? Please set me up more. You know, it's just not congruent as a theory. And then the 40 chessmen, I don't think it is. What I think happened was Pam Bondi was on the media hyping things,

and then she found out that there was a big cover-up. She wanted to hand people what they had because Anna Paulina and other people in Congress were hassling her. She's 60. She doesn't look 60. She's 60. She doesn't understand the OODA loop of new media. It's just chaos.

So once everybody went out and once there was a picture, no embargo. There just should have been no embargo. I should have just been able to say, hey, guys, there's nothing in here, just so you know. Well, it got leaked almost instantly. Right. And then you've got to end the embargo. So the OODA loop, which is my theory, is that if you're more old school, you don't understand it's chaos. And once one little thing happens, you have to respond to the information battlefield immediately.

You can't go, well, the embargo's till 3. Who cares that your pictures are there? Now Elon's wondering what's in these files. Everybody's, I'm DMing people. Guys, it's actually the letter. It's under embargo. I'm messaging you. Viva Frey.

Everybody who DMs me, I'm being like, guys, no, no, no. Don't say anything until 3 o'clock, though. And that's just how it went down. Dude, I heard that Pam Bondi initiated a raid on the New York what was it, the AG up there? The people that were apparently holding files. Do you know much about this?

I had heard something like that, too, and I think I saw on Alina Haba's Instagram that she just has boxes of files that are on their way back or something like that. Yeah, I heard that, too. I think that this is moving. Yeah, and that's the big news. That's the 40 chess argument. I agree with that argument.

I do, because they knew who they were having in the room, right? And they know that these are people with lots of followers, lots of influence, etc. And in Team Trump and the White House press team and all these people, they understand this new media moment that we're in. They understand how the conversation flies on Twitter, etc., etc. So I think that they knew something like this would happen. Right. I think that they knew they were going to generate conversation. Alina Habas said, I just personally loaded the infamous boxes onto Air Force One to head home where they belong. Justice has been and will continue to be restored in this country under President Trump.

Truth and justice always win in the end. God bless America. She didn't say the Epstein stuff, just infamous boxes, but I think the implication is clear, right? Yes, that's what it seemed like to me when I read it. I mean, I guess there's at least an argument to say, hold on, considering the situation with the Epstein files and stuff so far, I wouldn't get super excited about this being the stuff coming out just because of the way that it's been kind of leaked out so far.

I'll believe it when I see it, I guess. Skepticism is the policy. I think I kind of go with your take on what's going on because they called this binder the Epstein files phase one, knowing that there's going to be more releases coming. They obviously didn't intend for this to be the final binder. And we were specifically told, I don't want to create drama, like who did what and should they not have done things.

I don't want to get into that whole conversation. I'll just say that I personally did not hype anything as if it was coming out. And I specifically was telling people back channel that, hey, because in my own mind I knew what was going to happen. Everybody's waiting for them, and then we're going to look like lunatics. We're going to look bad. So what happens is if you're one of the influencers that gets invited to something like this, obviously I wasn't there yesterday, but I've been to kind of similar things within the White House,

and I know the press team and some of the influencer people, et cetera. You know, there's an excitement from being there, right? There's an excitement to try to be first, to try to do this, to try to take the photo, all of that stuff. And I think that some people get caught up in that. It's a very natural and very easy thing to get caught up in. Like, I've been in similar rooms with some of the people in that room. I mean, I get it. I think that a lot of the conversation that was happening online that was attacking like serno and that was attacking all these other people and we talked about this

sometimes when you are dragged by other media personalities or pseudo influencers or whatever on the internet it sometimes just is jealousy it sometimes just is the fact that people think that they were supposed to be in this room. And why him and why not me? Why Cernan and why not me? Why Rob Smith and why not me? Why Isabel Bryan or Liz Wheeler? Why Laura Loomer and not me? Exactly.

I'll be honest with you, Laura. The conversation around why wasn't I invited is for your personal team and not for the public. Yes. So when I called my PR booking communications who's welcome to the White House, I was like, how did we miss this? Yeah. She's like, I don't know. And I'm like, all right, well, let's figure out how we get it next time. Yeah. And what did I do today?

What did I do today? I texted you the person. And he handed me the mic. That's the whole thing. Like, everybody, the people who went after, that's the whole weird thing is, anybody who knows what I do knows that I don't live in scarcity. I live in abundance. So when I'm there, I was like, oh, where's the Federalist at? Oh, no, actually, Sean Davis is next door.

Right? Oh, the Daily Wire, they're going to be on Air Force One. Right? So I'm getting all this, like, jealousy from people. Like, why would you be jealous of me? All you got to do is DM me, and I'll give you the number. And there's nobody that elevates people like Timo did. Like like the server's been elevating me and retweeting me and we've been dming for years before we were able to meet so i i don't understand why people like

my whole thing is i don't understand why people attack other influential news people online like you know save your smoke for the democrats or criticize our actual political figures, yeah. But anytime, like, if I was to be like, oh, well, Cerno did this, or Tim Poole's this, or whatever, it just reeks of jealousy and like, scarcity. You just gotta work every single day, do your best. And I understand the FOMO,

but my thing is like, you know, if I saw Mike Cernovich on a 200-foot yacht smoking cigars, you know, having a party with all the finest champagnes. I wouldn't get angry and pound the table. I'd be like, yo, I've got to ask Mike to invite me. That's kind of a right-wing thing, though. What do I need to do to get there?

That's kind of a right-wing thing, though. The left is the kind of the group that are angry and upset when they see people that are successful, the jealousy kind of thing. You see that on the left all the time. And on the right, you kind of have people that are more like, yeah, man, I want to be in that position, or I'm excited for them, I'm happy because I know he worked hard. That's just kind of something that is normal on the right. So, we have a correction. People are saying that Alina Haba is talking about the Mar-a-Lago raid boxes, not Epstein. Oh, really?

Well, there you go. Correction. She should definitely clear that up there. There's literally a response from someone saying, where are the Epstein files, though, and why in the world did you and Pam Bondi go on TV? Say you saw them, and that it was sick, but then we've seen nothing already. Yeah, that's where my mind went when I saw the answer, so correction.

And that's why I was cautious, but like Rob and I were talking about last night, one of the, the way the media world kind of went, is I remember 2015, 2016, Tim was still with another outlet outlet he was the innovator technology he was the early adopter to drones and 360 and that me and posobic would embed with the

riders before we before anybody knew who we were and we would like take over their microphones and be like hey hey ho ho bill clinton is a you know what and and people who weren't around then don't get it but we had other stuff going on and now with the people who are't around then don't get it, but we had all this stuff going on. And now with the people who are in their 20s and they're like, oh, I want to be an influencer, it became a career, so they're more motivated by covetousness and jealousy. Whereas the people who are OGs, everybody was like, dude, we just stumbled into this world. Covetousness, that's a word. Yeah.

Good word. Dallas shall not covet. I just want to give a PR bit of advice to everybody out there. I saw a handful of people tweeting things like, I can't believe these were the people that were chosen. You know, the hard work that I did and blah, blah, blah. And I'm like, oh, no, no. That's going to get you banned from all future events. He does a no, no.

And I got legal bills. I can show them and they're welcome to all this work. That's great. I'll be glad to show my legal bills, and I'll be glad to get reimbursement for everything that all these people did. I would love that when I had $150,000 in legal fees for this stuff, at least. I quit looking at one point. So what do you think the next move is going to be in the Epstein files?

Do you think Pam Bondi is actually going to release anything? Friday's come and gone, and we haven't seen anything. I think that the public reaction was so strong that they have to, that's where the 40 chest comes in. That maybe we were, and I don't want to say set up because I don't feel like it was set up, but

maybe the people knew that this would end the stonewalling at SDNY and at the FBI and the people really want this stuff. So we're going to have to get something. My personal opinion is that, and this is where another criticism is like, oh, you're covering up for Israel or whatever.

Because there was an old clip where they were like, oh, it was a Mossad operation. And I go, guys, whatever it was was above whatever Mossad is. Because if it's Mossad you couldn't talk about it. That's how dumb these people are. If you're allowed to talk about something then that thing you're talking about is not really the thing that they're afraid of you

talking about. And if you look at what gets people censored, nobody will get censored for claiming it was evolved with Mossad. Nobody would. But if you talked about certain health issues a year or two ago, boom, you got banned. So people think, oh, I'm so edgy.

And I go, no, whatever it is, it's the thing above Five Eyes. It's the thing above all of these other entities, and somehow that means it's covering up. It's like, no, it's actually the opposite. I think we're dealing at the level of sovereign wealth, trillionaires, not just the, because there's things above them. We're talking about the royal wealth. We're talking about the trillion, the trillionaires, right?

And who's the trillionaires? We don't know. And if you didn't know, they're a trillionaire. So all these people think they're so edgy. Oh, you're so edgy, Mossad. Dude, it's something bigger, some superstructure. And this is what I think about with the 4D chess idea, right? You have to understand when you're doing this and you're kind of like in this game and you're being invited to do this or do that, whatever. It's like, think about the level to which you are useful, right? So you are being used in a certain way. What am I being used for? Am I being used for the good good of the country i'm being used for the good of whatever and i think that that's something that you have to think about when you decide to do these things i think it just kind of is the name of the game and part of the the industry where they're they're yeah there's

because there's two different categories so one is i don't think anybody who knows who's really familiar with me would be like well he's an influencer i'm an influencer got John Conyers to resign from Congress because I uncovered sexual harassment documents that nobody knew about. Oh, that's not what an influencer says. Hey, look at me. Here's my hot take on like the issues of the day. But I'm a hybrid because I still always interlate a lot of personality to it too. So people who are new to this world or new to me they're like oh Cerno is a influencer but not any nobody actually thinks of me in that way it's more of a hybrid thing but to your point about you know like being being useful that that's where like Arnold Schwarzenegger actually they stole this quote from me for his book years ago I wrote an

article like this and before i saw anywhere else but it was stay busy be useful that's how i live my life what'd you do today what'd you do today who'd you help what'd you do oh you were a lot of these people who are mad are useless and that's why nobody wants to deal with them if you cannot be used you are useless yes the big story here is that the white house brought in prominent personalities in media who have bigger followings than a lot of corporate press to break a story. And the reaction online throughout the day was outrage over this. That was the weird part.

I would imagine that we, or humans, would be supporting just independent media getting an uplift. That was what I wanted to see. I kind of tried to almost ignore the anger, the outrage, but it was there my reaction seeing these photos was to reach out immediately first thing I did was I tweet any of you want to come on the show

and then I talked with Mike I talked to the handful of other people and I was like what happened tell me everything I could not do that if it was the New York Times walking out with these binders we would have been sitting there being like once again the legacy media controlling the narrative this time around it was like holy crap my friend is telling me the inside scoop on this release. All right, so let me ask a question because I missed all this stuff.

I was doing some other stuff yesterday when this happened. So everybody that was outraged, were these real, like the regular people that consume our content and follow us? Were those people outraged or was it just people that are influencers or news people or whatever i saw laura loomer get pissed off and i mean she's known for doing that with all with all due respect laura was angry that nobody was publishing anything from it yeah and then she said she reached out to higher right check saying give us the file and then she learned about the embargo if she didn't know there was an embargo it was after no no to be fair after the embargo? She didn't know there was an embargo. No, no.

To be fair, after the embargo, largely there was still limited stuff coming out. And then Laura was working, as well as Nick Sorter, to publish a full scan of the documents. There were a lot of people that were prominent media personalities who were very angry. Yeah. Regular people were angry the documents was a nothing burger. It was a nothing burger. Yes. There were two dimensions.

There was the dimension of what he said. The people who were mad kind of scapegoated us. There were a number of things. The only criticism I thought was kind of legitimate, even though it was a lie as relates to me, they were like, oh, you were smiling. And I was like, no. They were like, you were flaunting the binder. No, somebody – if you walk outside and there's a camera what are you like supposed to cry what what like what what is your reaction candid picture you're walking by to be to be fair higher right check did do a

little dance and like shop okay so i'm not saying anything about anybody so this is the thing when this is the thing when you're invited to these things and i remember like um during the desantis days in florida there were a bunch of Florida influencers. And I had went to, you know, some dinner with the governor after this whole thing had happened. And we didn't post pictures or whatever. But there were a lot of the prominent Florida-based conservatives. I think it was like Rubin and Lisa Booth and all these people that I know, right? But they took this smiling photo behind Governor DeSantis at his desk.

And then I remember seeing all of these people who I knew personally just get totally dragged. And then in my mind, it was like, OK, you have to watch those kinds of photo ops. Like you have to watch it because, number one, not only are you going to inspire hatred from people that were not invited into the room, people are going to start question everything that you're putting up. So you mean don't gloat? I wouldn't call it gloating. I would just call it being cautious.

I've been into a couple of meetings like this literally since, what is it, about to be March? I've been to about two or three things like this this year. And there were opportunities to be photographed with certain people, and I declined. Because it's not personally right for me. I don't take that Trump thing. I just got so mad at everybody. No, but I wouldn't even have done it if it wasn't for yesterday. Because I want to just

put fuel on the fire and be like, you guys are mad. But I'm the same way as you. There's no pick of me with Don Jr. anywhere. You've got to watch that stuff. And I know Cloud Chase anyway. I don't think we have a picture together. I don't think so. And I've kind of been thinking about this for a while. I think we should, to a certain degree. Not Cloud Chase necessarily.

But I was thinking about how I never even say my own name introducing this show. And I'm like, I get it's called Timcast, but everyone else says, I'm so-and-so, here's what I do, here's where you can find me. I don't. And I'm like, maybe the show would be more successful. I actually tried to get photos with prominent individuals or something. But that's just not what I care about. The show's such a huge flop. No influence at all. No, but what I'm saying, I guess, is any PR person would say, Tim doesn't do the right thing when it comes to marketing his show. I don't get photos with my guests.

Me and Mike have never smiled for a photo to post on Instagram. And I'll give you an example. The only reason he wasn't at that thing yesterday was the guy, and that's why I made a text intro, the guy was like, oh, I didn't even know Tim left West Virginia anymore. So in a way, it's a marketing failure because they're like, oh, Tim's got his thing and he doesn't travel anymore. He's got a kid. So in a way, you can write yourself out of the mix.

Yes. Because you're like, oh, Cerno hangs out with his kids in mountain bike. He's not going to be out here. And I'm telling you, I literally texted some of the people that were behind yesterday. And with me personally, nobody knows where I am in the world all the time. Because I'm in Miami kind of like doing my South Beach thing, like playing my tennis or whatever. I'm in D.C. more often.

But what I've noticed about spending more time in D.C. is that putting yourself in the mix is a part of all of this stuff. And I've seen success in the stuff that I'm doing. You've got to remind people what you do. I ran into a thing where I needed to hire a CFO for a company, and a good friend of mine had left his investment banking thing, and I didn't even know he did it because he didn't think to be like, hey, bro, I'm a free agent now.

So I was commiserating with him. I'm like, dude, the books are a mess. He's like, oh, I'll do it for you. I was like, well, how can you do it for me? You're with whatever firm. He goes, no, the books are a mess and blah. He's like, oh, I'll do it for you. I was like, well, how can you do it for me? You're with whatever firm. He goes, no, I left six months ago. So the marketing lesson for people is there's a point where you could be too aggressive and ask for too much. And that gets great.

Don't be asking me how to get to the White House. But it's good to remind people, oh, actually, I left this. I left the Daily Car and I'm at the Daily Wire now, and I'm on a new beat. So, like, Luke is hanging out at the event. He does great work for the Daily Wire. Rosiak, I'm bad with names. Rosiak. Yeah, he brings a lot of great news.

He's here, and it's good to just let people kind of know what you're up to, whether you're trying to be in this world or if you're an accountant. Hey, I'm an accountant. I'm taking on new clients, you know, blah, blah, blah. Tim Pool is available for all appearances in the D.C. metropolitan area and Tri-State. And Tim Pool wants to be on Air Force One. Indeed. Tim Pool will be on Air Force One.

You know, I wouldn't put it out into the universe right now. I would love to go on Air Force Two. I think it was Raheem, because I'm about this, covering JD's trip to Munich and live-tweeting that stuff and doing that stuff. That's a really, for me, particularly on Twitter, a really effective use of Twitter. And I came up to D.C. and I was doing the Hexeth confirmation. I live-tweeted it, and there was all these protesters on.

I got that stuff in real time on Twitter, and that was awesome. Well, let's actually talk about the White House today. I mean, you were mentioning this earlier, that you would have rather been at the White House today than yesterday. Yeah, so yesterday during our briefing, we were told, because I was like, the influencer thing, you know, I want to be in the room.

You know, I want to be where the drama is. And they go, oh no, they're just signing the mineral deal. This is actually going to be dumb. You know, enjoy your time. Because I could have got credential for the thing today, right? And so I'm in an Uber on my way to the gym. I did my intervals today, my hard cardio, my intervals today. And all of a sudden I see these clips.

And I didn't feel jealousy for people who were there, but I had massive FOMO. I was like, I could have been there. I flew all the way out here. And I left my kids and I'm not even here. This moment was incredible. Yeah. Donald Trump and J.D. Vance. I think Phil was talking about this, that the first like 40 minutes of the meeting were actually rather fine.

I saw a great breakdown that said Zelensky is talking with Trump. Trump is actually being a bit deferential, saying we're going to help you out. We want to help Ukraine. And then Zelensky, the president of Ukraine, decides to start arguing with them being combative yeah and now they leave without a deal and if the u.s says no the war is over zelensky landed in the united states aware of what the president's position was like he knew what the administration thought this was basically just supposed to be a photo op it was just so that they could get some face time they were the intent was to kind of like mend the the bad blood they

had and zielinski made the issue when he start when they had a disagreement about what kind of uh security guarantees they were going to be zielinski wants nate wants ukraine to be in nato and zielinski wants american troops to be in Ukraine to guarantee the safety and to guarantee that Putin won't be an aggressor. The United States essentially, their position is we want to have rights to

the minerals and stuff and so we want to have economic deterrence basically because if the United States has businesses in Ukraine that will deter Putin from taking any more territory. It'll deter a war because the likelihood of having some kind of incident with Americans dying raises, and so that will be the deterrent. That wasn't good enough for Zelensky.

Normally, this kind of negotiation will happen behind closed doors so they can swear at each other, call each other's names, be aggressive, be angry, and then when you go ahead and talk to the actual press, everybody's kind of common chill. But Zelensky made the issue in front of the press. And that was a terrible move because Trump had already had a sour taste. Zelensky came to Pennsylvania and was campaigning for Joe Biden. So then to come to the new administration, I think this is the first time that Zelensky's met with President Trump, and to do that in front of the press and make an issue that's bad,

it's a terrible way to try and force a change in policy when he knew that the United States had already made a decision on what they were looking for. I do have a clip here. This is a very long one, so I don't know if it's the... Do we have audio working on this? Not sure if we have the audio on this one. No? This is such a good video.

This is like... I highly, highly recommend this video, dude. I mean... Yeah, I don't think we have audio on this. This is great. Seeing that begging, grubby little welfare queen, Zelensky, basically get dressed down and have his butt handed to him by Trump and J.D. Vance, it was the moment that Americans have been waiting for for the past three years.

Hundreds of billions of dollars. I was shocked. On our way here, we saw some canvassers for the ACLU. They were waving to people. And we talked a little bit before the show about, I used to do fundraising. You're pitching. You're selling. You are begging someone, please help me.

Give me your money. I was flabbergasted at Zelensky sitting down with the most powerful military, the utmost wealth, where he is in a position that if the U.S. says, I'm sorry, we're done, the war ends overnight, and he had the nerve to argue, you don't know what you're talking about, what reports have you seen to J.D. Vance, instead of saying, I understand, I'm sorry,

but please, please, we really do need your help. Let me know what you need, because we will do anything. This is a man who doesn't understand the position he's in. The arrogance was shocking. That moment where he said, and this was right before Trump went off, when he said, well, you know, you have a beautiful label. Perhaps one day you'll see. Perhaps one day you'll see.

My mind was blown at that. The audacity, the arrogance to sit there next to Trump. And, man, Trump said what everybody has been wanting to say to that little welfare queen for years. It was an incredible, incredible moment. It really was. I'm glad the cameras were on. Yeah, when J.D. started talking is when Zelensky snapped.

He could handle it. I didn't watch the first 20, 30 minutes. I popped in for the last 15 of salaciousness, and J.D. just goes at him, and Zelensky's probably like, who is this guy now this is vp yeah staging authority over i'm the president i'm the leader i i i think one of the big moments was in jd vance mentioned the previous the bite administration yeah and then zelinski got all angry instead of recognizing the power structure the sentiment of the american people in the

position he was in he had the nerve to talk and snap back. Yeah, he interrupted J.D. And then that's when Trump really dropped the hammer, when he interrupted J.D. Trump doesn't have time. I mean, he doesn't seem to have time for disrespect. Yeah. The thing with J.D. is that the J.D. shade is classy. The J.D. shade is very classy. It's very thoughtful when J.D. dresses you down.

But then when Trump just drops the hammer and he dresses you down like, I worked at KFC when I was 19 years old in the military, when your boss is screaming at you because you really effed up, right? Well, didn't Zelensky say something like, I read it as a veiled threat. Trump said something like, you're in trouble and you don't know it or something.

And Zelensky said something like, you're going to be in trouble. That's when Trump snapped. Trump's like, don't tell us how we're going to... It was a threat. When I watched that, I was like, you worm. And my full... Again, because I was in the Uber, even the Uber driver was like, turn that up.

I don't know what's going on. I'm just listening to it, too. He goes, I can't believe he did that. And I was like, I don't... If you looked at the body language of other people in the room the i believe it's the ukraine yeah she's like ambassador was literally facepalming and if you look at marco rubio he was he was staring ice knives at uh at zielinski i mean and and look the the secretary of state was he was confirmed with a unanimous vote. He's essentially kind of the most, I guess, swamp creature that was in the room, the most establishment guy in the room.

And he still, right after Zelensky left, he was tweeting his support for what President Trump said. Most of the people that are upset with President Trump are either, one, ideologically possessed already, and no matter what happened, they were going to hate Trump, or they only saw the two-minute video, and they're basing their judgment based on only that. You have to see the whole context. You have to see that they were actually perfectly fine getting along until Zelensky really made a bad decorum move. It was it was outside of the bounds of of normal negotiations. And he really blew it.

He then he vindicated everything. I was thinking about that when I was walking over here. I was like, man, imagine you're some swampy Republican like Lindsey Graham who's, oh, we've got to worship this hero. I'm like, dude, this video is a gift. And I even posted something like Trolley because I went on to the alternative universe of CNN, and they're all going, well, today was a big victory for Putin. So then I posted something like,

oh, was Zelensky under compromise from Putin because today clearly gave Putin a win, you know, using their language against them. Because that's how dumb these people on CNN are. And I want to just thank Zelensky. Because all he did was vindicated everything that we said. This is a welfare project. This guy is, like when Trump said, you're not a tough guy.

We all wanted to say that. Bro, Zelensky, you're a cross-dressing comedian. No offense to those who are. I'm actually pretty tolerant. But you put on your little, remember you'd watch G.I. Joe as a kid? Oh, yeah. Where that camo. Yeah, yeah, fatigue.

I know what you're doing. You're a little G.I. Joe figure. Look, he's an actor. Yeah, yeah. fatigue. I know what you're doing. You're a little G.I. Joe figure. Look, he's an actor. Yeah, yeah. This guy was an actor. Right. This guy was an actor and a dancer, and he was on, like, what, The Dancing with the Stars of the Ukraine? Yeah.

So he's playing a role, and he's been playing this role. And I think that the reason that he was so emboldened to act the way that he did today is because he's been propped up by all of the crooks that we just kicked out of D.C. Yes. He has been propped up by these Democrats. He's been propped up by all of the crooks that we just kicked out of dc yes he has been propped up by these democrats he's been propped up by hollywood he's been propped up by the mainstream media that he was performing for and so it was it was so kismet and so of the moment that we're in right now that this is what happened to him and he crawled out of there with this tale between his life think about what trump is asking me i want mineral rights we're going to give you weapons

we're going to support you in this war. You're going to win the war. What do we get in exchange? It's a very simple negotiation. Why should the United States fund and basically run their war for them for nothing? And so let's get the nerve to say, you should. That's why. And not only that, he's making demands about

entry into NATO. And that's the thing that Putin says he doesn't want. I'm not in any way pro-Putin. I know I'm the guy that's the thing that putin says he doesn't want i'm not i mean i'm not in any way like pro-putin i know i'm the guy that's like gonna say that putin started the war you know he invaded uh but at the same time you have to understand that from putin's perspective ukraine cannot join nato that's been a sticking point and the united states and the rest of nato should say no ukraine can't join nato We'll come up with other creative ways to ensure your security, but you can't join NATO. And that's the sticking point that Zelensky wants.

They demand that Donald Trump disparage Vladimir Putin mid-negotiation. Yeah, it's dumb. And that's psychotic. I have no problem. I'm not a politician. I'm not in government. So I got no dog in this race. Vladimir Putin is a scumbag.

I think he's a terrible guy. That's fine. If I was going to negotiate with the man on a peace deal, I'd be saying, he's very smart. He's a clever guy. Don't underestimate and don't disrespect him. Because I'm trying to win favor. Zelensky doesn't seem to understand that.

You can hate Donald Trump. You can think he's the dumbest guy in the world, and you're about to ask him for $100 billion, you kiss his ass. You get more fries with honey than you do with vinegar, right? The whole of the left wants to see someone that actually threatens Putin, but then doesn't actually do anything.

They want the United States to talk the big talk, as opposed to speak softly and carry a big stick. They want to speak loudly and then not actually do anything to back it up. That was the way with Barack Obama. That was the way with Joe Biden. And they want Donald Trump to behave that way. And that's not how you enter these negotiations. And real quick before I have to go in here in a few.

Do you guys want to talk about like a download of what was talked about and buried in all the lunacy and everything? Yeah, yeah, yeah. So the foreign policy thing, there's a couple of things especially of interest to all of us, but Darren Beatty is dismaling the whole censorship complex within the State Department, which is amazing. Yeah, that was what was frustrating about yesterday is I had all these notes and I was ready to do this. And Putin did come up in the briefing. And the briefing was just very like re-politic, real politic, which is, hey, do you guys not know that Russia has more tactical nukes than any other country? And second to us has more strategic nukes than any other country. And second to us has more strategic nukes than anyone else. And do you know that Russia is actually very close to China?

And that the closer that they get together, that means Russia has to intervene for China. So if China invades Taiwan, then Russia kind of has to get involved because China can call the tune to that. So maybe dealing with Putin as a rational actor, because this is a problem people have. It's easy for us to say, Putin is like a bad guy. Okay, great. There's a lot of bad people in the world. Whatever, right? But you still have to deal with them.

That's where this childishness comes in with a lot of people in left-wing media, and unfortunately in the right-wing media, is, great, you can vent your spleen. Oh, these, because there was a lot of controversy about some people visiting the U.S. yesterday know, so I was like, thank God I missed that whole conversation because of this other nonsense. But there's, there's like a, people just act like they can just pretend somebody doesn't exist and then you can vanish them,

which you can't do. And then they act like a world leader is someone you can just ignore. And they don't think about, okay, so what if Russia gets closer to China, then China moves on Taiwan, Russia, China's calling the tune, so maybe it would be better for us to deal with Russia in a more responsible way because then that could, we have a stronger interest in Taiwan than we do Ukraine. So if you look at a rational foreign policy, you would say, okay, we'll get the minerals from Ukraine, we'll tell Putin, hey, you can have these eastern places anyway, they all spoke Russian,

they never even wanted to be part of Ukraine. That's why I hate the whole Putin invaded. Putin invaded places that were being bombed by the Azov battalion, the Tornado battalion, the militias were killing people who were ethnic Russianussian this was all

documented but then we got to pretend like history started in 2022 so as a foreign policy thing the trump world is very adult the adult is is it going to make us safer stronger more prosperous that was like and people can give us a talking point you you know, whatever. Here's the talking points. The foreign policy is will it make us safer, stronger, and more prosperous? So is beefing with Putin going to make us safer? How? Is it going to make us more prosperous? How? Is it going to make us stronger?

How? We're depleting our weapons stock policy. So there is a logic to the foreign policy where with the moralism, moralism is very nice. We can all be moral purists all the time because we're all so holy and everybody else at the center, we're so holy, we're priests. But Rubio and them, they're kind of just, we're going to be adults here. And if this isn't going to make us safer, stronger, more prosperous,

then we have to do something different. You could argue that challenging another world power, if they become weaker, you de facto become more powerful just relative to the power structure. But if you have to weaken yourself in order for them to become weakened, then you've got an opportunity cost you need to measure. Well, it makes China stronger, though. So if you diminish Russia, then Russia becomes more under the thumb of China. So then China becomes stronger. Because it isn't like this is me and you in a boxing match,

we both kind of beat each other up. It's more like me and you are in a boxing match, and Rob is waiting, and he's like, okay, whoever's weaker now, I'm going to go clean up. I'm going to clean up, right. It's a whole different ballgame. As far as I can tell, 1989, Soviet Union falls, the oligarchs that split it up decided,

Sevastopol, Crimea is too dangerous to give to the Russian Federation because we've got to nullify their power. We can't let them be the hegemon. So we'll get to the Ukraine. So Russia doesn't have Mediterranean seaport access, but there's still a bunch of Soviet Russian people living there. 20 years go by, 15 years go by, and

apparently they're getting bombed by the Azov battalion. Is it like ethnic cleansing? I don't know a lot about what led up to... You can look all that up. Before it got scrubbed, pretty horrific stuff. The Ukraine stuff. Yeah. It's very interesting because before we started waving the yellow and blue flags for Ukraine a couple of years ago when we had to launder hundreds of billions of dollars,

there was even articles in mainstream news outlets like the New York Times, etc., about how corrupt Ukraine was, about how it was a hotbed of corruption in all kinds of ways. And then, like you said, that stuff gets scrubbed. And so now, hey, let's all send hundreds of billions of dollars of our taxpayer money that is still there. Before we started talking about this today, I would say in the past four to six months, you would just wake up sometimes and be like, oh, my God, we're still sending money there. You just read some news article about another $100 billion going there. This thing is still going on.

What did Trump say, $350 billion? They cut off economic funding to rebuild their electrical grid. Apparently, every month they had to spend $100 billion to fix their grid for three weeks or two weeks or something. How many Ukrainians have already fled the country? Is it 20 million or some large number?

The real story that you won't hear on all these pro-war podcasts which is so funny because it's funny to watch all these podcasts just be like slava ukraine and they're not even american i'm like why don't you join the the ukrainian legion yeah oh you don't want to do that so what happened is over because dan crenshaw who i don't want to bash because i feel like everybody does and i dan has done good work on psychedelic research with veteran suicide, so for me, call me a sellout, but I handle the Dan situation with more delicacy than I would someone else. I think he deserves a little bit more grace than a lot of people. Yeah, yeah.

So I don't want to come off as bashing Dan because he really has done some good work and issues that really do matter. However, when he went out with Glenn Grinwald on Piers Morgan and Dan was saying, oh, the fighting men and the war of attrition, and it's like, no, no, 650,000 people fled Ukraine. They had to kidnap people and force them to the front lines. The people of Ukraine don't actually want to fight this war. The men of Ukraine, they left.

And they left because Ukraine was a corrupt dump with no real economy. So if you had any kind of vision or aspiration or enough money, you left. So the tragedy of Ukraine, and I've said this so many times, but for whatever reason, people aren't smart enough to realize it. The people who died in the war in Ukraine, spiritually, I'm closer to them than I am to Zelensky. Spiritually, they are closer to them than I am to Zelensky spiritually. They are closer to me than they are to Zelensky because those are people like me who would run like Rob and other people who would be like, I care about my country.

I'm going to rush to serve. And that nationalistic fervor took over when, when, if you knew the real game, the real game was ethnically cleanse our own good people. The rich people can all leave. And then when it's time to rebuild, we'll become oligarchs again. That was the real thing.

I have a quick correction. I said, how many have fled? 20 million. Let me correct those numbers. The numbers I confused was since the end of the Soviet Union, the population has declined 20 million. That is the hard number. Since the war started, it's 7 million. 7 million people fled the country.

Out of how many, do you know what the total population was? So the numbers are, at the end of the Soviet Union, there was 52 million people. As of this month, it's 32 million. Oh, that's rough. So they declined a total of 20 million since the fall. But since the war started, they estimate 6.8 million Ukrainian refugees have fled the country. And so let's think back to how controlled Twitter was, like how controlled social media was in the censorship world when this war first started. Because I remember, you know, you would see all the CNN, the New York Times, all the mainstream media, just this story about what was happening over there that just wasn't true and I would just remember seeing sometimes videos of older men like literally getting yanked off the street shoved in the vans uh being forced to fight

when they obviously didn't want to fight this so there was a story that was being sold to America about what was happening over there that was completely false now we know this yeah oh they all wanted to go and you looked and the guys look like me yeah you know no that guy didn't want to go and then if the draft laws in Ukraine were being changed where you couldn't draft people under 25 and they kept wanting to – It's like, well, wait a minute. Hold on a second. If you're telling me the propaganda line that I hear from all these neocons and former leftists and all these people who I think are saboteurs actually working for intelligence agencies, if you tell me that the Ukrainian people want to fight the war, then they wouldn't

have left the country and you wouldn't need a draft. Right. Because I can tell you right now that if we were invaded by China, I wouldn't leave. I'm dying. I'm dying. I'm dying. Right. Well, so let's let's break down culturally why that is. I know who our founding fathers are. I know why we have reverence for them. I know who our founding fathers are. I know why we have reverence for them. I know about the great leaders during the civil strife, bleeding Kansas in Civil War period that we have great reverence for. I know why we have a constitution and the ethos that was born of this nation and born this nation.

I will fight for that. If China landed a bunch of boats on the beaches of California, I'd say, what can I do? Ukraine means borderlands. And I mean no disrespect, because I have friends that are Ukrainian, they fled the country already. During the Soviet Union, they were for 69 years occupied, suppressed, oppressed. Their thought leaders, their intellectuals were wiped out. When a war breaks out and Russia invades, I do know they have a history.

I do know many of them are proud of that history. But it is dramatically different from the way we perceive the history of our country. So when someone storms into your nation and your history is, for nearly 100 years, we were beaten down by a large oppressive force that starved our people, kidnapped our people, disregarded our people, and called our home the borderland. You don't have a tie to that. You have a, we that you have a we just need to get out and and take care of ourselves look at the the united states can keep supplying money longer than the ukrainian people can supply fighting people like you can literally kill or the united states can literally fund more people than the ukrainian has to go into the into the meat

grinder there well they have to do something to end this war. The question is is Vladimir Putin who is more likely to impose what we refer to as the Zet Brannigan military strategy of sending wave after wave of your own men to die until the enemy gives up

That's Russian tactics 101 Right, that's Russia You know, the big myth though right oh russia is that right that's russia that they you know the big myth that we have in america is that america won world war ii as russian bodies won world war ii yeah right it was american steel and russian blood that that won i i love the story of world war ii is that the russians mass mass produced garbage weapons but a lot of them yeah and so their weapons notoriously are, they break,

they notoriously, their guns are painful to use, they bite, they don't, they're not particularly good, they're cheap, AKs are particularly effective. And you had with Germany

and the Axis powers, we want powerful, well-made, strong, sturdy weapons. And Russia was like, don't care, give me a steel box with guns and I'm going to make a bunch of them. They're all going to freeze anyway.

Right. Bring it. Oh, yeah. But the thing about, that was like Soviet tactics was meat grinder, meat grinder. I don't know if Russia's like that. I don't know. I don't think of them as Soviet at all. Well, I mean, isn't that how they defeated Napoleon too?

They just kept throwing bodies? The Eastern, Russia's still an Eastern country, and the Eastern mindset is the way they see an individual life is different than Americans do. I notice that in all my travels. It's less of a, we take it for granted. Individualism is actually a very weird thing. It isn't the norm. The norm, especially in the East, which Russia is, Asiatic,

is that we're the collectivist mother Russia, and you're dying for mother Russia. It's a whole different thing. The only way that I can, even though analogies have a lot of affairs, the only way that I can try to ever explain Ukraine to normie Americans is I go, there's parts in El Paso, Texas that are almost all Mexican, right? No problem. Okay. Imagine we just allowed the KKK to start killing Mexicans. I hope I don't get flagged, but it's a hypothetical, but imagine we allowed that. And then Mexico said, well, we're actually going to invade El Paso, Texas.

Well, who do you think the Mexican ancestry people are going to side with? They're going to be like oh wow i mean you're let so zielinski if you go back and read and this is where the the steelman case for zielinski is actually and this is what i truly believe the nazi militias were going to kill him so he had to play ball in it because if you look at what he ran under he ran under peace with russia he really did try to bring azov to justice they put put a lot of these Tornado Battalion peoples in prison. They let them out once the war broke out, which was another thing that was suppressed in Western media. And if you read the files, it was real horrific stuff that they were in for.

And people go, well, that's war. And I was like, well, sure, but why don't we talk about that? So my personal belief is that the oligarchs in Ukraine said, look, we can get rid of all the patriotic Ukrainians, send them off to die on a lie, and once it's time to rebuild, we get all this Western money, we'll have all the money to rebuild, and then all the people who left that are on podcasts and talking stuff,

they'll all be project managers with little construction hats on, and they'll become little miniature oligarchs. But then we're the ones who are attacked for saying that even though if you lay out that logic like that nobody can refute it literally nobody can refute that logic i think one of the things with the soviet union and war was that they had bodies like ukrainians where they could just dump wave after wave of their own men so i guess question now is, although it does appear to be the Russian strategy of, we'll just throw as many men as possible until we win, Ukraine might actually have the edge on that, considering the people who wanted to live and didn't want to fight fled, and the country is literally just capturing elderly men and women to force them to the front

lines. Zelensky is completely willing to sacrifice elderly men and women to force on the front lines in a way that I don't know that Putin actually could maintain. And Putin's had to call in allies. He's working with China, he's working with North Korea to bring in more troops. I think first of all, it's obvious, without the U.S. support if Trump says, you know, we're done, the war's over instantly.

Instantly. But if we want to keep this fight up the important point made is, it's not my opinion, other people deserve credit for this, is these people cheering on the war, these pro-war podcasts, they're basically saying, thank God we can sacrifice the Ukrainian lives so that they'll fight Putin and hurt him a little bit. I mean, just for information, Ukraine's population is estimated at 38,980,000.

Russia is 143,997,000. So, I mean, the number of Russians versus the number of Ukrainians is just, I mean, the numbers just don't work for Ukraine. I guess my point is I don't know that Putin would take a 20-year-old woman to go force him to fight. No, he wouldn't, but he's using the working class conscripts. I mean, the way to criticize Putin is that he hasn't tapped into the rich kids of Moscow yet or even the middle class, and that's what he's trying to avoid. So if you're Dan Crenshaw and you wanted to actually make a better, more coherent point instead of Glenn Grinwald, you would just say, look, Putin, if he has to tap in to the middle class kids and not the people who are in the caucus region and just poor farm kids, then he would face a lot of political pressure and maybe assassination pressure in Moscow. And that's the case to be made, but they don't even make that because

I can think about these issues better than they can, which is unfortunate. And let's not forget that one of the things that Zelensky wanted, he wants American troops to get involved. He does. That's what he really wants. And he's been pushing for that. And I was actually shocked that he didn't get it from Biden as weak as that administration was. But that's what he wants, which would basically end up in World War III, which nobody wants. This withdrawing funding to their electric grid is a big deal.

So we fund their military, and then next to that, the next most we spend on that country is rebuilding, every two weeks, their electric grid. We fund their pensions. We fund their teachers. No, no, if you look at the numbers, we fund the whole entire country. I've been reading a lot of propaganda today about it, but some people are saying Zelensky's out. He's done. He's got two weeks left.

I don't know what you guys, if you've even thought of that. Rick Grinnell retweeted something from somebody. I think it said something to the effect that they wanted Zelensky to stand down. They wanted him to stand down. I think that they wanted Zelensky impeached. They're done with him. Oh, yeah. One of his political

opponents from jail made a video like, can we please impeach this guy? You guys see now? The emperor has no clothes. All right, guys. I got to go to the party. Any questions about yesterday news or anything? Favorite color? We've shown the coins, right? Michael Cernovich. Hey, man. Thanks for hanging out.

It was our pleasure, and I look forward to seeing you guys there on Air Force One. And I will not feel jealous at all. I'll be really happy. Tim Kast, IRL, live from Air Force One or two, whichever. Sounds great. Either is good. It's going to happen.

All right, thank you, everybody. Thanks for hanging out. Hey, thanks, Michael. Cheers, guys. Well, we've solved all the world's problems, as we often do. There's hunger no longer. There's cigars. There's a party.

There's loud noises. So what happens? White peace in Russia. This is inevitably what I see coming down to is them just establishing, like, you know what? There's cigars, there's a party, there's loud noises. So what happens? White peace in Russia. This is inevitably what I see coming down to is them just establishing like, you know what? War's over. Whoever has what, you keep it. We're taking the minerals. And Zelensky can do nothing except for stage a rebellion

and then become the enemy of all, which would get him killed off immediately, I would think. I think it's getting very obvious right now that everybody is tired of this, except for maybe Zelensky. Trump wants it over. Vance wants it over. We are tired of this.

I don't even feel the fervor and the excitement for all of this stuff, even from the usual left-wing hacks. Or even some of the Republican hacks that are saying we have to stand with Ukraine. It's just that their heart doesn't seem in it anymore. Let's jump to the story from the Post Millennial. Washington Post staffers quit. You can't actually see it on the screen, but it's okay. Rebel against Bezos. New mission for opinion section.

For those that didn't hear the story, it's amazing. Bezos said the opinion section is now going to be about personal liberties and free markets. And the communists who work for the Washington Post threw a tantrum and stormed out. This is amazing. We were just hanging out with Mike Cernovich who was basically saying, what we saw yesterday, by all means, everybody's mad at these influencers for whatever reason. Not everybody, but a lot of people. The White House decided to bring in prominent personalities

instead of the corporate press to break a major story. Whatever you think, this is a major change in how the government has handled media in the past. And with this administration, we are going to see more transparency and independent voices getting access to government. This is amazing. Now, the Washington Post under Bezos is being told personal liberties and free market.

The communist woke stuff is out. When these people rebel and quit, I can only say thank you. Thank you for leaving. No, please. No, please. So thank you for quitting. And honestly, OK, so look, my degree is in journalism from Columbia, right? I got my master's in Columbia. And I think that people have no idea. We think that we know that these

people are whiny libs and leftists or whatever. There is this entire pipeline in mainstream media of these people, even to when I was at Columbia and I was I was not even conservative at that point. I was kind of like independent asking questions because, surprise, surprise, I thought that's what you were supposed to do in a J-School master's program, right? And the looks that I would get when you would just ask basic questions about immigration, et cetera, things that you weren't supposed to ask. And people do not understand that these people are literally taken from your Columbias, your Northwesterns, wherever, and they are in all of these newsrooms across the country. They are not curious. They don't see their job as journalists as to ask questions. Their job is to promote the liberal propaganda that they were born and raised with. And so, yes, they're doing us all a favor to quit

because I believe in journalism i believe in legacy media pieces they need to be saved and i think that bezos is trying to save the washington post but yeah those people are doing us all a favor when they reveal themselves and they exit stage right i think so too i'm glad to see it i mean i don't know the the technically you know the insides but it sounds like you know change the diet of the system a bunch of the parasites flee the system if i'm not mistaken tim you started out in in the mainstream world right not necessarily uh the first media started doing was just activists on the ground live streaming okay so i was uh uh doing live mobile

streaming and it's really crazy how nobody does this anymore. Very few people do that on the ground reporting. And then for about a year and a half. Actually, I would say it's almost two years. And then I went to Vice. Vice was independent at the time. And then a month after I joined them, Fox had bought a big investment, so I was kind of like, I rolled my eyes.

And then from there, I did join an ABC News joint venture and actually worked out of the ABC News building in New York. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And, from there, I did join an ABC News joint venture and actually worked out of the ABC News building in New York. And, oh boy, all the stories are true. Yeah, they're all true. How the mainstream media operates, the instruction, golden handcuffs. So, one example

I like to give is how they had a presidential debate forum. They told me I was too white to be involved, despite the fact that I'm in a mixed race. As everybody knows, it's a trope. It's a meme. And I was denied that for the way I looked. And that was the woke of the corporate press. It's all true. And they're all like that. And the weird thing about me, even as somebody being the black guy that was out here doing all this, but I wasn't the black guy that thought the way that you were supposed to think. So they will talk about how diverse the press corps,

like their little White House beat reporters or their press corps or whatever, they're all diverse in their way, and they're black and they're Asian and they're Latino and they're white, all these different things. But they are just all liberals, and they all basically toe that line. That's why independent media is ascending, mainstream media is kind of dying. I mean, it's dying a slow death. I believe that at this point right now, it is the undead. It is the undead.

It's the walking dead. Well, I mean, look, it's MSNBC making money off zombie carriage fees. And they're realizing it's not going to last. But I do warn people, these liberal podcasters are gaining tremendous traction. In fact, there was a period where, I think over the past week, the number one podcast in the world actually was a liberal anti-Trump podcast that surpassed Rogan briefly. Was it? Midas Touch. What I will say about that is that now that they know that independent media is ascending, they will put corporate dollars and dim dollars and all of that stuff, they will fund these people to the level that if you're a conservative or Republican, independent journalist or whatever, you couldn't dream of getting the kind of

support that they're going to be giving to these guys. I love this when I'm talking to the majority report people and they keep running this narrative that we get behind the scenes corporate money and things like this. And I told this to Cenk Uygur. I said, we've sold ads. And everybody listening, okay, this is it. We're a big podcast. I think we, yesterday, we were the seventh biggest live show in the world and simultaneously the 26th biggest because we're on Rumble and YouTube.

If you combine them both, we were number two. We've been able to sell ads for $50,000 for one read. That's not typical. It's not common. It's not really. But sometimes you can make that money. What do we do with it? We do field events like this, which are expensive and difficult.

We try and invest in community building. It's not about getting wealthy off this. But we are not getting secret corporate billionaire dollars from industrialists behind the scenes. It's a lie they have to maintain to discredit us. And so when they say, why aren't we doing well? Well, it's actually quite simple. They are bad at business. And I said that to Cenk Uygur when he was like,

you got to be getting it. We don't get these ad dollars. And I was like, then you're bad at business. He goes, no, we're not. And I'm like, clearly you are. We do standard sales through corporations that have ad offices in New York City. We don't, we're not doing anything special. There's no secret meeting at TPUSA where Charlie Kirk brings in the head of ExxonMobil to fund any of this stuff.

That's not true. So what we're going to see now, and I bring this up to say, in defense of many of these liberals, they are not, as much as David Pakman liked to run this segment where he claimed I, along with Milo, were accusing him of getting USAID money, I never said that. No, I think they're making money off of clickbait political content that the people want and are looking for new venues to find it. And they're making a lot of money off

programmatic ads and default sales, but they don't know how to run a media business the way meritocratically developed individuals do. So on the right, which includes liberals at this point post liberals and disaffected liberals you have people who built from the ground up and largely on the left you have a a democrat non-profit bought ads a uh you know i'm not

going to get specific but you have a lot of political funding and i'm not trying to accuse them of doing anything untoward but a lot of the activist media and I'm not trying to accuse them of doing anything untoward, but a lot of the activist media, take a look at Media Matters. This is not organically grown, meritocratic individuals. This is political power. It's all propped up. And they're doing this thing now

where they will find these dim influencers that they're trying to prop a lot of money into, but then they connect them to mainstream media stuff like what is cbs this morning uh doing you know a segment on some dim influencers on tiktok right it's not organic it's not real i got you caitlin collins reportedly makes three million dollars a year yeah ridiculous and daily caller daily caller does does anybody who works in this space...

Actually, you know what? I'm not going to rag on the lady. Don Lemon's a good example. I'm just going to bring him up, please. He's got half a million subscribers on YouTube. More power to him. He gets maybe like 10,000 to 30,000 per video. That's not bad for a small entry-level podcaster who's been in this space for a few years.

Don Lemon was an anchor, prime time on CNN for what, a decade plus? A decade plus. He did not have the talent nor the merit to be in such a position. He was placed there, and his notoriety was gifted to him from a pedestal. Yep. Whereas in the independent media space, most of the personalities you see built it from the ground up slowly over time. It is no mystery why Cat Turd, of all people on X, built a big following.

It's not because someone came to him and said, we have a plan. We're going to give you a million dollars to make a profile called Cat Turd. No, it's a guy with opinions who every day watched the news that the left seems to be trying to lift up people like Hassan Piker who just again today was calling for the death of a public figure. Whoa, what? Yeah. He straight up said he made a remark about

Rick Scott and you know, said someone should kill him. Wow. There's also people like In a video game, I'm sure. He didn't caveat it? There was no caveat. It was a straight up calling for someone to

do something. And that's not odd on the left anymore. Well, it's not just that. It's numerous corporate press outlets have advocated for and directed their audiences to follow these people. Yeah. There are some individuals on the left that i don't want to drag because they're not abject evil i will they're just

liberals but the new york times yeah has run stories saying the new joe rogan and things like this yeah and then these people from these stories get a million subs overnight yeah and instantly become millionaires through the institutions empowering them. And then it's not real. And to be fair, I'm not saying that every liberal ever has no merit and did not build up their channel. I'm saying the tendency for the establishment left has been powerful voices were propped up by a corporate institution, and on this side, in spite of censorship, we have clawed our way to our position. And you brought up Don Lemon earlier, and I want to get back to that

because he is the most pure example of somebody who literally does not know who he is when there's not a team of producers and a team of executives propping him up. He had the biggest platform for a decade plus. He's flailing on digital media. He's attacking Megyn Kelly. He's running up to people. I saw some video of him running up to people on i saw some video of him running up to people on a subway train yeah that's what dr photos of himself and so this person

has no idea who he is outside of a news set outside of people writing the scripts i was talking to a producer i will not name the network i will not name the show but this producer was talking about a particular person um that is talking about well i don't like how this script is. Well, bro, write it yourself. And so a lot of these people are so propped up they are struggling in this space because they have not figured out who they are. Fundamentally.

They've not figured out who they are. They've not had to do the hard work to figure that out. You know what I love? You've got to become a producer. I want to hear what you have to say. Megan Kelly leaves network television. She leaves Fox. She tries to go to NBC. They fire her for the stupidest reason imaginable.

It was ridiculous. She starts her own podcast, her own channel. She has three and a half million subscribers on YouTube. She has one of the top ten podcasts in the world. Yes. She routinely gets hundreds of thousands of views. That looks like somebody with wit and merit who deserved to be in a talent position yeah who proved it on their own after the fact and the thing that i

love about me and kelly is in her show is that it's journalism you know what megan kelly thinks about things when she decides that she wants to go for a time you know what she feels about men and women sports right like biological men like that whole thing you know what she feels about that you know that she felt strongly enough about trump to go to that rally. But 90% of the show is actual legitimate journalism. It's actual questions about what's going on. It's bringing people on that are actual experts. And there is news value in that there's value in that to the listener. I'm not, you know, look, my podcast is a lot of, you know, kind of like off the cuff stuff about what I think. But I'm even transitioning that to do a little bit more news because that is what is of value to the viewer.

I think that Megyn Kelly probably wouldn't be as extremely successful as she is if it was just, hey, I'm Megyn, and this is what I think every single day. So she works hard at it. I used to think that was who she was in 2008, 2009. I was like, oh, she's a warmonger. Get her out of here. She's just another Hannity. But then people evolved was in 2008, 2009. I was like, oh, she's a warmonger. Get her out of here. She's just another Hannity. But then people evolved drastically. Do you still find yourself watching this,

whatever you call it, the mass media, the MSNBC? Do you watch it? Watch the ship go down? Are you watching it? I try not to. I definitely delighted when Joy Reid got canned earlier this week. That was wonderful because that was literally like, literally one of the most hateful people on cable news

and seeing her downfall has been quite delightful. And, you know, I made a tweet a couple of weeks ago that I was in some hotel room. I was somewhere traveling to go do something. The MSNBC was on. I think the guy at 8 p.m., Chris Hayes. And he was freaking out about whatever

was going on in D.C. that day. And I was like, I'm watching this show, and everything that Chris Hayes is freaking out about are things that I think are just incredible, are things that I'm like, this is a highlight reel of every awesome, incredible thing that happened today. So I do watch some of this stuff because I do want to know where the conversation is because you have to know where their minds are at, and I hope that they just do not get the memo about this stuff until at least after the next election. I was kind of glad to hear that in a way that that podcast, what was it called?

The biggest podcast on earth last week, Eclipse Rogan for a moment. What was it called? Midas Touch. It's a pressure valve. We used to talk about this show. It's a pressure valve for the people that are being suppressed by the media. So now it's like the whole situation has been flipped around you see msnbc going down joy reeds canned there needs to still be a pressure valve for those people i'll go on

facebook and the rage and in just just complete oh man utter insanity that people are going through right now is facebook just liberal no oh no no okay so here's the thing about meta and facebook so i got a facebook page with the 600,000 followers or something like that, and I put a steady stream of content every single day. And this is what I say about Facebook. Facebook is like the Fox News of the Internet for me because all of those people, I used to do a lot of Fox. I still love Fox.

I used to do a lot of hits back in the day. I'm focusing energy on doing more things right now, but I do a lot of content on Facebook meta. And I'm like all those people that are those kind of like, you know, older, we'll say 45 to 50 plus older, like conservative people. A lot of those people find me on Facebook. And they love the reaction videos to like the Trump and Zelensky stuff today, the Joy Reid stuff. They love that stuff. But I do get a lot of libs that find that page and a lot

of libs find me on instagram to the point i don't even read the comments on instagram anymore uh because i mean they just they are so impotent right now these people have literally zero power they have no power in dc uh the power even in the mainstream media is waning so all they can do is just scream yeah that's what concerns me. If people feel completely powerless, they become desperate, and desperate people can become violent. So I want people to still feel like they're influenced, that they have

some impact, that their voices are still being heard. There are, there will be, as I think you were pointing out just a moment ago, Rob, the corporate media dumping as much money as possible into these personalities. Yes. Because cable is done.

Donald Trump just won. And they're not going to go quietly into that good night. The DNC has no frontline talent. They're not just going to give up. So we have routed the Marxists and the woke and the neoliberal establishment. But they're not gone. Donald Trump's actions in the government and Elon Musk's efforts with

Doge largely is to gut their resource centers, but we're still going to see. It takes only a few million dollars. This is what I warned last year when we were talking about these podcasters. You've got Rachel Maddow getting $25 million a year on a show that gets like,

what, $100,000 in the key demo? If she's lucky. Yeah. And so I can tell you how much money she's going to get off that. She's going to sell $100,000. I think you can muster up a couple grand in an ad sale for that one. So based on podcast sales, if it's an hour-long show, she might be able to do $5,000, $6,000. Maybe on the high end, if you do a premium CPM, maybe $10,000. But is that going to cover a $25 million salary? Ain't no way. There is some money still in the fact that she gets a couple million from the elderly population,

and I mean no disrespect to say that, but those ads only go so far. We're talking about reverse mortgages. Again, not being disrespectful, this is largely what's being advertised to the elderlies, is things like reverse mortgages. There's going to come a point where they say, hey, look, we've got $100 million left over, and Rachel Maddow's reaching no one. They're going to open up YouTube and be like, hey, this guy's getting 30 million views per month.

What if we put his face on a billboard in every major city for $10 million and paid him $5 million cash to say what we want him to say? That podcaster's going to say, yes, sir, tell me how high to jump. They're going to put their face on every major city. They're going to start telling all of the young people. One of the issues that I've been talking about quite a bit with everybody in the industry is, ask yourself

the question of why people listen to Bill Maher. Is it particularly relevant? No. Is he having conversations with people that are insightful? I'm not trying to be a dick, but no. He's, I think he recently said he wasn't doing stand-up anymore. He's largely out of the conversation. He's still in it, but he was three years behind Dennis Prager, which was shockingly embarrassing. And so I know that if I have a conversation with him, I'm going to be

saying, Bill, that happened five years ago. You missed this story. But you ask yourself why it is the corporate press is still so interested in his name, his narrative, and it's celebrity and ubiquity. The way they've been able to accomplish this is using what we would call a premium brand. Vice was very good at

this. I'm not going to get into the whole ad rights distribution, but let's just say, when you have a premium brand, it means people recognize it, whether it's actually on their TV or not. So you say Bill Maher, people say, I've heard of him. They probably never watch him. Most people don't. I think his ratings are about 800,000 in total per week. But people know the name. That means the corporate press, advertisers are going to say, well, at least they know this name, we'll buy it, because it's what we can think of.

Our side of things, the independent media, does not recognize this yet, and they need to. There's a reason why CNN was buying billboards all over the country for as long as they did with Anderson Cooper's face on it, so that the average person would just say, yeah, I know him, he's the news guy. Yes, and they would say the most trusted name in news over and over and over again, so that the average person would just say, yeah, I know him. He's the news guy. Yes. And they would say the most trusted name in news over and over and over again so that

people would believe it because they're passive. What's going to happen? I'll tell you what we're doing. We're working on billboard campaigns. We did this two years ago because we want to steal that from the institutions. That's why we bought Times Square. If we do not, and I honestly don't know why people aren't doing it, Democratic power structures are going to say, give us a list of 10 prominent liberal podcasters of any size,

and we're going to spend $20 million. That's a pittance compared to what these powerful creepos have. Some billionaires, people like to talk about George Soros, they're going to say, let's spend $20 million and see what our return is if we make these people ubiquitous. The goal will be a 16-year-old kid who's entering the political space, who is, he reads a lot, and he's charismatic, and he says, I want to be a personality. In his mind, he will say, clearly, the path to victory is a liberal podcaster because they're everywhere. They're on TV.

They're on the billboards. They're in the skywriting campaigns. How do I get to that level where everyone knows my name too? It's going to be fabricated through infrastructure designed to win politics. Meanwhile, the independent element is largely just playing this game of

share my show and I hope people hear about my name. And so that's where we're at. So what I can tell you is the cost of outdoor ads has dropped dramatically because manufacturers and product companies like to do direct sales. This means that the typical marketing spaces of ubiquity, billboards along highways or in cities, have become ridiculously cheap to the point where you can buy a couple dozen major 100-foot tall to 30-foot tall billboards for about $80,000 for six months. Oh, that's awesome. So, obviously, $80,000 is a lot of money, right?

Yeah. But if you're a media company on the right, and you're thinking about, okay, so how much for one month, then? For like $10,000, you can have 20 billboards across a major city. Let's say, let's do, I would say the major... New York would be a good one. New York is way too expensive. Boston.

So Times Square is actually not as expensive as people think. We bought the entire North Tower on New Year's. It was two weeks in December until New Year's Eve. So on New Year's, 2023, the entire North Tower, except for two billboards, which is owned by Eminem and Coke, said TimCast, all synchronized

at once with all of our shows, and it was $200,000. And so, what we wanted, we bought a handful of ads that year. One was a 45-foot-tall static billboard, meaning it's physical material, above the Today Show.

So that every single journalist, every day as they walk into that building, they see my face above them. We need to make sure everybody sees and everyone knows. And the response was invaluable. Can we directly track whether or not more people watch the show? Because of it, I honestly don't know what i can tell you is i was inundated with people post uh sharing links with me from liberal podcasters and social media where they were freaking out at the fact that tim cast irl was on a 100 foot tall billboard in downtown chicago on the side of a skyscraper that in times square the entire north tower said tim cast it was a statement

for all of these people to recognize we are taking the space over. It was for advertisers. You do it in Times Square because you want the big advertisers to see your brand and say, that looks big. So that when, as I mentioned, the premium brand value of, say, Bill Maher, which he does have, we need to associate with our side of things. If we do not, the DNC's power structures are going to take people like, well, I'm not going to name anybody.

I don't want to give anybody the airtime. But some of these big shows, they're going to prop them up, and they're going to start putting out metrics saying, Joe Rogan's not the biggest anymore, Midas Touch is. You might have already answered my question, because I'm like, what's the next phase of war? And what I mean by in this instance of war is like the war being put, the co-opt of the American Republic by the business establishment, by this swamp. What's the next phase of the swamp monster? Because you're right. There's a route.

People are currently scattering in every direction with no idea what's coming next. They just want to survive. Then they're going to regroup. And then we're in a fortification stage right now. No, they're not fortifying it. They just want to survive. Then they're going to regroup. We're in a fortification stage right now. No, they're not fortifying it. No, no, no. I'd say the people that have taken the hill are now in the fortification stage.

So what's the fortification process? You're saying buy billboards, get the grounds. So I believe the next major move of the establishment, deep state bureaucrats, they know that they're losing the culture war. They know that Bud Light was a disaster. They know that Target was a disaster. Disney lost a billion dollars, a disaster.

Culturally, they've been crushed, and they need to exert cultural dominance on the institutions. Losing this battle through independent media, through merit, is shocking. But it's largely because the structures they tried to maintain for the narrative are failing. Television and newspapers are no longer the principal way people consume information. They neglected this. When you see people like David Pakman and Kyle Kalinske and Brian Tyler Cohen, big liberal podcasters, complaining that they're not getting the big advertisers and the Democrats aren't supporting them huh they are not wrong they've these people have built big channels they have big followers they make millions of dollars but they're not getting political institutional

support they're angry about it the institutional support was still going to msnbc where the intel officers were routine guests going to the newspapers the the intel people weren't going to liberal podcasters and saying we're going to let you break The intel people weren't going to liberal podcasters and saying, we're going to let you break this story so you can reach 3 million subscribers. They were like, we're going to go to the Washington Post. Guess what? Nobody read it. As people were migrating to independent

platforms, Joe Rogan took over. Whether on purpose or otherwise, it was easy to access, it was authentic, and it was available. It was right there in front of you, right when you opened your podcast thing, and Joe was an honest guy. It was authentic. And it was available. It was right there in front of you. Right when you open your podcast thing. And Joe was an honest guy. So when he had a real conversation, he didn't entertain the lies from the intelligence agencies or the establishment. The next move they have to make is recognizing how they lost that battle and buying it back.

And they can buy us over ten times. They can. Absolutely. Absolutely. And that's why I've been warning for the past year, we need absolute control of the media infrastructure. It's great that Bezos is saying opinion section

is going to change. He's recognizing the messaging failure in that regard. Probably the threat to himself, too, as a wealthy individual being chased after by Marxists. But my point is, and then you guys I'd love to hear what you guys think other moves they'll make is,

I would not be surprised if this summer you see a liberal podcaster in every major city on 30 billboards in every city, a $20 million campaign, not because, so I'll break it down.

How do the power structures do it? First, a powerful billionaire of liberal persuasion is going to reach out to a liberal podcaster and say i'd like to buy a portion of your company i'll buy 30 for 50 million dollars some ridiculous number a report will come out saying new a new media deal between some corporation with investment backed by this powerful billionaire recently purchased a minority stake in so-and-so's speech networks, which is owned by insert liberal podcaster. They will then say, now that we're a minority owner,

we want to invest $20 million in an ad campaign. You're going to see this person's face on the side of billboards. You're going to see it across highways. They're going to hire the best and biggest PR. They're going to write a book. They're going to buy 100,000 copies of their own book, and the New York Times is going to claim it's the number one bestseller. They're then going to put this person in movies.

You'll see this in Iron Man. When Bill O'Reilly in Iron Man 2 is on the TV talking about Virginia Pepper Potts, they are going to try and inject culture, cultural ubiquity, through these individuals to create the perception among the general public they are Joe Rogan. They are going to try and inject culture, cultural ubiquity, through these individuals to create the perception among the general public they are Joe Rogan. They are what he is to us today.

It will not be real, but you will not be able to tell the difference. I believe that's their next big play. You said that we should establish, that we need, I don't know the exact words you used, absolute control of the media. The way you said it, I was like, well, that could be taken, interpreted in a dangerous direction. We need to exert cultural dominance over media institutions. Yeah, that I agree with. Because you still need a free media. And if they want to corrupt your people, I mean, well, then that's a discussion.

Is it a monopoly at that point? Well, it is. But even as much as we talk about how the MSNBC and the CNN and et cetera is over and over and over, and it is kind of, but you've got to understand, every gym,

every airport, every public space all across the country, what do you see? CNN, MSNBC. It is ubiquitous. Not anymore. CNN a few years ago

lost their airport contract. They used the airport. I'm just thinking, like I see it in the gym all the time. But I recently had a conversation with some guys in the industry when they were talking about, you know,

how do we, like, it's a general conversation of how do we expand? How do we reach more people? And I said, airports and hotel lobbies. And they were like,

yeah, but is that real? And I'm like, did it matter for CNN for 20 years when everybody recognized Anderson Cooper? Doesn't matter.

Doesn't matter. You want people to see that, look, if this stuff didn't work, Coca-Cola would not buy billboards. And to take it even one step further, what's going to happen with, and I just always use MSNBC as an example because it's just the most far left of them,

they're going to start gobbling up some of these people as well. Just the cable news structure is something that is very out of date even when you watch it it's why the clips will play on twitter but if you when's the last time you sat down and actually watched one of these shows to this doesn't work like i watch the five every day you watch the five every day yeah greg gutfeld's fantastic well gutfeld's great and i can't watch his show at night because we're wrapping up our show yeah but gutfeld is great

and that show is fun and that show is is an anomaly, and it's also super fun to do. For me, 2015 or 16, I'm not an aficionado in politics. 2016, I just stopped. I do the internet now. And I think that there's a value to it sometimes, right? I think the point that I'm making is, even with MSNBC, look, they know that these shows don't work,

and they know that they will work less and less, so they're going to start gobbling some of these people up, and then the corporate structure that props up MSNBC and all that money, that stuff is going to go to some of these people as well. To ask a question, and I'm not the biggest fan of Fox News as a whole. They're okay. Why isn't The Five just also live-streamed on their YouTube channel and uploaded to Apple and Spotify?

I don't know why. I don't know. I think it is on X uploaded to Apple and Spotify. I don't know why. I don't know. I think it is on XM, though. Yeah, I don't know. I think that, you know, not to speak out of school too much about how Fox does business, but I know that it's a very traditional TV model. And I know that with a lot of their shows, because I know that being Fox talent is great, because they'll wrap the podcast up in it and the book up in it and all that stuff.

But I think that the five is just not set up that way. And I think that it has something to do with maybe carriage and all of that stuff. But it's just very, it's kind of, you know, it's such an established business model in L.A. I was an actor in L.A. in 2005, six, seven, eight, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten. And they wouldn't take headshots through email. It got to the point where I was like, why do I need to go spend $30 to mail out things to people that take a day or a courier to get there when I can email it?

And they're like, no, we don't take emails. And why? There was zero answers because we've always done it this way. It's too expensive to change. No one really needs to change over here. So you do it the old model. And it just died off as a result. It wasn't agile.

You couldn't. It took forever to get apart. You had to wait. And you're lucky. And maybe. And so all these people on Instagram start blowing up and getting super famous and rich without having to wait for this extended old school process. And I think that even with some of the mainstream media outlets, I think that what I see in this industry, in this business, is that everything's going to start coming together, right? And we see it even in the conservative sort of influencer commentator

space, right? We see some people that have maybe talked crap about CPAC in the past, and now they're at CPAC now speaking on the stage. So everything is kind of coming together, right? And so what I see happening with a lot of these networks and just think about fox right you know at a certain point the numbers are going down across the board for all of these networks and at a certain point they're going to start looking and bringing in people from new media from um independent like whatever you want to call it and eventually what i hope happens with a behemoth like fox because man the you ever been in a Fox is the best lighting you're ever going to get in your life yeah all right the best light I wish that I could just travel all the time in that lighting it's the best lighting you're ever going to get in your life

resources are in are limitless um and when you get some of these people that that have been kind of ubiquitous in this space and you give them that corporate backing that's what I think is going to start happening but I don't think we're going to see that for another seven to ten years. Sorry, when I went on Jesse Waters recently, it's really amazing to watch how they do these shows live. Yeah. Because they're like, okay, a commercial

break, you've got a minute, Mr. Poole, they walk me into the studio, Jesse's sitting there, he shakes my hand, he's small talking, and I'm thinking like, are we going live in like ten seconds? And he's acting like we're just in a room hanging out, and then he's small talking and i'm thinking like are we going live in like 10 seconds he's acting like we're just in a room hanging out and then he's talking to me he asked me a question i answer and then he goes so we're here and i was like how did he do that it's amazing a well-oiled machine you know that's six avenue new york city that is a well-oiled machine but it's like you know they're there and they do it you know every single day and it's just like you know you guys with this

podcast right well you do something every single day you become an expert at it yeah i have my experience with um corporations like fox big multi-million billion dollar corporations hiring super famous and are like influencers i guess you call them is that the influencers they take the contract and then like what am i doing here i can make the same money on my own why am i now stuck working for someone else and not able to speak my mind on Twitter? So I don't know if that model is going to work. It might play out. It may work with some people because I had to tell you, look, for some people, you get to a certain point.

And I will say this as like an independent media personality. And I do my thing and I make my money and I make my rounds, right? Not as big as anything that's going on here, right? But there's going to be some people, you can live a nice life, and you can make a decent amount of money, and you can do your work, and you can speak your mind at a certain level. And then at a certain point, when your platform becomes big enough, and somebody is going to like scoop you up for, you know, one, $2 million a year, you'll be like, help, why not? I'm in my mid-50s.

Maybe I've got a couple kids that at that point in time, maybe I want to spend a little bit more time with them. I just think about sort of the cycle in this business, in this industry, as you're somebody like me, because I don't personally have the desire to run an operation like this. We watch, I like to watch, as Steve Vanden advised, opposition media. I like to go to their forums. I like to read what their users are saying, what they're believing.

And I can tell you there are liberal podcasts that have no problem lying, as we all can already imagine. Let me just say that an individual who is willing to publish a statement like Trump has the lowest all-time approval at a time when in aggregate and in each individual poll he has the best polling of his career, an individual who would literally report the inversion of reality will take a couple million dollars to report lies for a politician. They'll do anything. And that's what we're going to see happen. And there are people who believe them for whatever reason they do. So, Ian, you made a really good point last year when you said

you try to vaccinate your parents with information. Yeah, get it to them before the media gets to it. Your parents are libs? They're like middle of the road because I'm able to communicate ideas with them. I'm like, get ready for this USAID thing. They're going to call it aid. Get ready for the vaccine.

Get immune for this one. And my mom was like, oh, snap. My dad was like, what? My mom's already based. Basically, what Ian's point was, and it was very good, is the media is about to lie. You need to show them the truth before the lie. So they can immediately be like, that's not true, and I know it. You've got to get them that information before the manipulators

because what we end up seeing is, shout out to Daniel Negrano. I'm a big fan. He was on the show. He said he believed the very fine people hoax for the longest time. Oh, man. But he saw the video. He said, I saw the video.

Trump said it. What happened is he saw the corporate press. He saw the liberal pundits. A video of Trump saying they were very fine people on both sides. End of story. Finally, one day, he was arguing with his friend, and his friend was like, Trump never said it. He goes, yes, he did. I saw the video. And he goes, no, you didn't. And he's like, in his mind,

he's thinking, I literally watched the video on my phone. So the dude put his phone down, slid it to him, and said, watch. And he goes, fine. And then he saw the extended video when Trump said, and I'm not talking about the neonats or the white nationalists. They should be condemned totally. And he went, holy crap.

The reason you need to provide the vaccine information is because if I go to someone and say, here's a video of Trump saying I'm not talking about the neo-Nazis. He now says, I saw the video. Trump said I'm not talking about them. And so he rejects the lie. What they're hoping for is the first time a person is exposed to the information will be the lie. Yeah. So they'll be convinced they've already seen the information. And then they repeat the lie over and over and over.

The very fine people smear is one of, like, I think one of the biggest hoaxes about Trump, but, you know, in recent memory. And I remember when that went out. And that was a part of my awakening because I started doing all this stuff around 2018 and a part of how I built my brand in the earlier days was just literally as a journalist and it wasn't even like super super rah rah pro Trump. It was just like wait a minute, these people are lying.

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In the meantime, though, smash that like button. We got QuantumStrangeQuark who says, regarding the Epstein files, has anyone checked to see if the services that the FBI used to pick up the shredded classified material for final destruction are seeing an increase in business? I haven't looked into it. You know, I wonder, but I think it's fair to say,

as a lot of people have already pointed out the epstein files probably got destroyed a long time ago i mean what they would have not done their job if they hadn't i'm saying the nefarious ones that are supposed to be covering up these horrible crimes of course you would think that'd be the first thing they would do is eradicate the evidence why would there ever be evidence except you're going to use it on blackmail and someone to be like hey i have your flight log your name's still on it alpha turkey says the devil first lied to man by saying he can be like a god by eating the the fruit to gain knowledge now he will lie again by saying that we can be like god by gaining immortality through neural link yes let me just make sure you understand there is no reality where you can

download your brain into a computer you You can only copy your brain. And one of my favorite memes was a picture of a person smiling, and it says, what was it like, me looking up from hell at the Android I downloaded my consciousness into, living my life for me? Yeah. That was a good one.

The idea, like there are people that talk about, oh, you know when they'll be able to do teleportation when they can disassemble your body into individual atoms transmit them at the speed of light

and then reassemble them I'm like there is no way that you're gonna actually be alive after that process and that is actually canon in Star Trek

yeah in Star Trek it is canon that whenever you beam up they destroy your body and create a new version of you and you're dead. Yeah, I don't buy it. There was actually an episode of Star Trek The Next Generation where they were attempting to beam up, at the time, Lieutenant Riker, who eventually became Commander Riker, from a planet with a static disturbance, an ionic disturbance in the atmosphere. And so the signal that intended to copy his biological structure

was fragmented. Part of the signal bounced back, reforming him on the planet. The other half went to the planet, and the program they had restructured him with available data. On the ship? To the ship? On the ship, creating two of them at the same time. Eventually,

they responded to a distress signal, and Commander Riker discovers another version of himself. So, sci-fi has long said, yeah, transportation kills you. It does not transport you. You die, and a new... For that matter, the idea of transporting each individual atom makes no sense. If they've mapped out every atom of your body, they would just use whatever atoms they had available to reconstruct you.

Different ones. And it's not you. Yeah, it's a different person. I'm not buying that there will ever be teleportation. Ever. Yeah, I'm not going to be the first one to volunteer. Unless they actually discover the soul. And they're like, look at that, the soul. And we can pick it up and move it. Yeah, I mean, internet video is kind of like

teleportation. You're teleporting your sight and your hearing to another place in real time. It's not. Let's read this. We have Gerald Armstrong, who says, does Cernovich regret his wear a mask tweet? It makes you look like a clown in hindsight. I completely disagree. So many prominent conservatives early on in COVID were telling everyone to wear a mask.

In fact, I got sent probably 30 masks from prominent conservatives being like hey tim get ready they're not telling you what's going on the media i got sent n95s i got sent some of those like paint masks and then as soon as the narrative switched conservatives all abandoned masks so i don't think i'm not going to drag anybody for taking actions at a time of uncertainty you know what i mean so long as the action if the action was i'm stealing your freedom from you then i've got issues if you said hey man why don't you wear a mask i'd be like it's my choice i've decided not to fine if you said do it or else now i got a problem with you so the people who advocated for things that were your

choice to do i don't care somebody if if if Ben Shapiro said get a vaccine, people are all mad at him about it. I'm like, who cares? He didn't force you to do it. In fact, the Daily Wire fought against the government to stop the mandates. I respect that. And won. And won. I know, tremendous. Alright, what do we got? We got William Jones, his public affairs officer here in DOD.

Guidance from HEGSF has all historically released information media regarding DEI to be deleted over the past 20 years. Seems like erasing history. Thoughts? That's an interesting point. Maybe we want to preserve the records and archive them, but remove them from our structures. Same with USAID.

That website came down the day they defunded it or started looking into it. And Mike Benz was like, dude, I need that website for for research it's still on the on the the wayback machine well actually when they took it down i don't know if it still is today you had to directly go to the link the um if you went to the actual website it was dead but if you had an old link you could still get through to certain pages you know i think that you know sometimes people want to memory hole things yep and i think that's very easy to memory hole and what this makes me think of and obviously like my mind is going back to the early days of covet and i remember like watching tucker every night back in the fox tucker days and you know just breaking stuff that nobody

was breaking saying things that nobody was saying and i remember he is documenting this so that this moment in history and these things are documented right so i think that that's important let's grab this rumble rant from trent lamalino he says if there is anyone i trust out of the bunch it's serno sorry fed poso lol jackie's calling you out corpus says as a fellow half-breed here to i'm sorry i can't read what you wrote entirely he's a fellow half-breed here tim I'm sorry, I can't read what you wrote entirely. As a fellow half-breed here, Tim, I've been a member since the beginning and wanted to congratulate you on starting your family, sir. Thank you very much. You know what?

I love the term mudblood. You guys know mudblood from Harry Potter? Yeah. So mudbloods were like wizards who didn't have pure parents. Basically, Harry Potter is magic Nazis. I'm not kidding. I did not know you were biracial. Yeah, part Korean-Japanese.

Ah, interesting. The more you know. You know, I'm not a big fan of the term biracial either. No? No, because it's like, who's really bi? Like, that means two. Like, I'm... Multiracial? Well, I'm German, French, British, Korean-Japanese.

So it's like, I guess if you're saying part Southeast Asian, part white. But, you know, like, there, part white. But, you know, there are people who are like, you know, you've got Haitian, you've got, you know, like Central American, Native American, and white, like,

tri-racial, you know, whatever. But I wish I could read what he said in the title. But I do love Mudblood because I'm a Harry Potter fan. That means I'm a nerd millennial. You get it.

Is that geek? Yeah, it's a geek. Sorry. All right, let's go. We'll grab... What do we have here? We got Patriot American that says, Tim, I've shot both the Mosin Nagant and the AK-47.

They're not that bad, though I do prefer the AR-15. Yeah, no, let me clarify that. I'm not saying, like, actually, the Soviets produced pretty dang good, reliable. But the point was, during the Soviet era, their wars, they made really, really cheap weapons. Turns out the AK is pretty effective, and let's just say, I don't know what the right word is.

It's... Resilient? There you go. That's the right word. It's not so complicated. It can be used very easily. Drop it in the mud and it still works. Exactly. Not only that, part of the reason is because the tolerances are very

loose. With an AR-15, the tolerances are very tight. Things have to be exactly the right size to fit together. With an AK-47, it's a stamped receiver. It's basically sheet metal bent into the right shape. And then all the pieces, they fit together, but they don't have to

fit together very tight so there's room for dirt and stuff to kind of fall you know you know it's really interesting there's a story um i believe it goes back to the french and english wars i'm not entirely sure where one side reduced the size the the uh the thickness of their bow strings, and reduced the size of the notches in their arrows. The point was, when the enemy fired arrows at them, the notches were large enough to fit in their bow strings and be fired back, so they could reload. But the arrows they fired could not be notched in the thick bow strings, so they could not use them.

The Soviets, for this reason, and I could be wrong about this, I just read some blogs on the internet, created the Makarov 9mm intentionally for that reason. It is, what is it, 9x18? Am I getting that wrong? 9x18 is the Makarov.

And I think what standard 9mm is 9x19? Yep. The intention was they wanted to make sure that if their ammo fell into the enemy's hands, it could not be used against them. Interesting stuff. And now you have largely useless 9mm Makarov floating around all over the world

that has to be specifically, like, I don't know. You're right about that battle. I've heard about that before. I'm looking at biocoding weapons. They're talking about getting them so they genetically only function with your body. It's a terrible idea. No, they exist.

Handprint guns, where they want it so that your palm print has to be read by the device, otherwise it doesn't fire. That's actually incredible. I like that idea. Downside is you can't give it to your buddy in combat, which is a big part of regulation. High rate of malfunction. Downside is how many times have you tried to use your fingerprint thing on your phone and it won't read your thumbprint? Yeah. And because

it changes a little bit as your skin wrinkles or you gain or lose weight. So imagine a cop draws the weapon and it doesn't work. I will stick with my analog Glock 19. Yeah. Bio-coded. Alright, alright. JustCauseI'mFree says love Ian's little jam sessions in the gaming. Need to start doing it over on Rumble.

Rumble is where it's at, Ian. Get off YouTube, you hippie boomer. Oh, I've been on YouTube for 20 years, man. It's tough to leave those you love, but yeah, let's do it. I just launched a song on my YouTube channel. Still, what is it? I'm warning everybody right now. Still Play Me is what it's called. It's about people that play one-shot kill combos in Magic the Gathering.

I'm warning everybody right now. For smaller, newer channels, Rumble is the place. Take, for instance, the Culture War podcast. It is not, it's the smallest of the live shows we do. We usually get between 7,000 and sometimes 15,000 concurrent viewers. Whereas TimCast IRL routinely does 50,000 plus, and the morning show does 25,000 to 30,000 plus, and the morning show does 25 to 30,000. On Rumble, though, when we launch the Culture War, as it's a smaller show,

we have more viewers initially on Rumble than we do on YouTube with the Culture War podcast. And it's because the Rumble audience is different from the YouTube audience, and they are looking for and hungry for content, and Rumble isn't as censorious, so newer shows pop up immediately in a less crowded space for a hungrier audience.

My advice to people is if you're starting a new show, a new podcast, you will have a larger initial audience to start if you're on Rumble. If you're on YouTube, you'll get nothing. You'll be suppressed. They'll likely ban you and they won't monetize you in the first place. I'm not saying don't use it. That's not at all. I'm likely ban you and they won't monetize you in the first place. I'm not saying don't use it. That's not at all. I'm saying when you start your show,

whatever you're doing with music or gaming or politics, whatever it is, you obviously want to be on every platform. I guarantee you right now, if you started a show and you were on YouTube, Rumble, Spotify, Apple, and X, Rumble's going to be your biggest audience. Even if you're looking at 100 views for a small new channel. So we gotta pick that game up, my friends.

Oh, yeah, I love Rumble. It is good. They were testing a gaming thing. I don't know if they bought something they were going to turn into gaming at some point, but I'm not sure. I would help them. A lot of big things coming. Yeah, let's talk about it.

Well, one of the big things I'm hoping for, and you know what happens is, I think a key for Rumble is going to be promoting new shows, making sure, like, this is so big. One of the biggest things about YouTube was something in the beginning called the Suggested User List. Do you remember that, Ian? Where did it show up? They called it the SUL.

In the early days of YouTube, people to this day who are prominent millionaires... On the right side of the page? On the left side of the page. When you're signing up. Many prominent YouTubers' careers were made not because they were good, but because they were there.

I can attest to that. Yes. When you signed up for YouTube, YouTube would be like, look, we want you to stay on this page, so here's what we have available for you to choose from. And they would tell new users to follow certain

individuals on YouTube. That was called the suggested user list. There were people who did, like, nothing of merit, but they did post every day. So YouTube was like, well, this guy posts every day. At the time, YouTube was largely random videos like Charlie Bit My Finger.

A family would upload a video to share with friends and family. Eventually, people started to emerge where they would record on a webcam and post every single day. YouTube then says, hey, this is consistent. Let's just tell people to follow these guys. Some of those people still exist to this day, some 20 years later, millions of dollars simply for being there. So, I'm just saying, there's the opportunity, man. A platform built for video podcasting is available to you on Rumble. And what I'm hoping for is that there will be some kind of algorithmic growth engine for new shows,

which will set the standard that if you want to make it in video podcasting, your fastest path to running a business and succeeding with an audience is going to be at Rumble instead. I think that's already true, but we need a faster, stronger mechanism for it. Yeah, like inter-site commercials where you can send people as a creator to all these new upcomings and stuff like that.

Directly. Suggested user lists and things like that, which they may already have, but it's going to require some finesse. Let's grab some more. All right, what do we have here? Patriot says, followers and supporters are upset because what is new? Y'all still went with the narrative after you knew about the embargo.

Check your posts. The promises made kept mantra sounds like Bush admin. I'll resolve. I'll BS. I will say, you know, I talked to a handful of people who were there. Obviously, Mike was one of the guys. He told me right away. He's like, we're not seeing a lot that's incriminating in this.

Some of it's old. Some of it's unredacted. Some of it's new, but not really that big a deal. And I absolutely said that on TimCast IRL. I said exactly what I was told on background without revealing any information. It wasn't just Mike I was talking about. I don't want to just act like he's the only one

who was telling me these things. But, yeah. Outright, we wanted to make sure everybody understood what was talking about. I don't want to just act like he's the only one who's telling me these things. Outright, we wanted to make sure everybody understood what was going on. If you don't know, it's basically there's a table of contents with a bunch of names. It's flight logs. And then there's a bunch of redacted names

with Evelyn Rothschild's names on it. I don't know if that means he flew on the plane once. No, no, no. He didn't. That's the black book. Someone said, here's my number. Give me a call sometime. And it's rough because they're trying to do new things right in the white house press room. And they're trying to do new things with influencers. All of this stuff is very, very new, right? So, you know, when you're trying to do new things and you're cracking eggs, you know, you're gonna,

everything's not going to be perfect. The first go around. I want to summarize, though, basically, if you want. This is what the Epstein-Binder basically was. Big black page. You need an idea. It's ridiculous. To be fair,

that's the victim list. Oh, yeah. So they redacted that. All right. MyDougEatsGene says, love your new backdrop. Only here for Ian. Kidding, not kidding.

Sup, homie? So we are in an undisclosed location at a party. And, uh... Well, I'm going to say the location of the place after we leave, because I don't want to risk anybody's security. There's prominent personnel here. I will say it was an honor and a privilege to interview, very briefly, David Sachs on AI issues.

So we filmed that, and it's editing right now. We're trying to figure out how to publish it. Don't know if we want to pay Wallet, because sax is the white house ai guy and i'm like let's hear what he has to say very optimistic he said most people are concerned about the risks that we can't actually predict while ignoring the tremendous upsides which we we can i love that i agree i agree because we talk about medical advancements and technology, detecting cancers before a doctor can.

I mean, there's going to be some amazing stuff here. But we are pretty worried. All right. We got time for one more. One more. No Name Anonymous says, Epstein flew to and from

Fort Knox in 1996, picking up a Microsoft executive. Interesting. Bill Gates has Knox Gold. Nolan Bus says, did Zelensky sabotage this peace deal on purpose? This is the first failed peace deal. Who is putting up to this? The EU, NATO, why?

No, no. This is different. Insulting Trump and Vance means the U.S. might just be like, we're out, we're done, bye. And then the war.S. might just be like, we're out, we're done, bye. And then the war's over. So my friends, we do have to wrap things up. We are in a somewhat public space. It's very noisy.

Smash the like button, share the show. Become a premium member of Rumble. Go to timcastpremium.com. Use promo code TIM10. You'll get 10 bucks off your annual membership. We've got two feature-length documentaries already. We have a whole other podcast, The Green Room Show. It's blowing up. We're getting about 40,000 views and it's premium. It's a members only show that's massive. You got to check it out. Some of these are really chill.

Some of them are really off the cuff, uncensored. Good fun. And of course, Monday through Thursday, we have our uncensored call in show live. We don't have that tonight. We're going to wrap things up, though. You can follow me on X and Instagram at TimCast. Rob, do you want to shout anything out? Yeah, you can follow me at Rob Smith online, but listen, download Can't Cancel Rob Smith, Apple Podcasts, iHeart Podcasts,

wherever you get your podcasts. Got a fresh episode dropped just tonight. So if you like what you hear, if you like me, go hit up that podcast. I'm at Ian Crossland. You can get me all over the internet, Ian Crossland. Particularly on YouTube, I uploaded a video earlier today. It's a song.

I said, still play me. It's about what I would say to someone. Actually, Allison inspired me. What I would say to someone that plays that card in Magic where it's like, I just got to get that one card to deck you. You're talking about me. Yeah, well, then I was like, actually, I'm thinking about Allison

because Tim influenced her to play that stupid deck. So I'm like, this goes out to all the homies that play that dumbass one-shot kill combo. Yeah, dude, the song's awesome. Check it out.

Allison's deck is not a one-shot kill combo. It's got multiple functions for a path to victory. Oh, okay, multiple one-shot kill combos. Is that what I'm hearing here? Anyway, check it out on YouTube

and check out that Green Room episode with me and Milo. I think it was very funny. I hope the audio came out good. Yeah, it was really enjoyable. Milo Yiannopoulos and I, we get along swimming. You'll be grossed out, but okay.

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