Timcast IRL - Trump's Secret Plan To Make Charlie Kirk VP, America Fest IN CIVIL WAR w/ Rollo Tomassi

Episode Date: December 20, 2025

Tim, Phil, Ian, & Tate are joined by Rollo Tomassi to discuss Trump's secret plan to make Charlie Kirk JD Vance's VP in 2028, MAGA Civil War erupting during America Fest 2028, Vivek Ramaswamy shutting down the idea of "heritage Americans," and Steve Bannon going off on Ben Shapiro during his speech at America Fest.   Hosts:  Tim @Timcast (everywhere) Phil @PhilThatRemains (X) Ian @IanCrossland (everywhere) | https://graphene.movie/ Tate @realTateBrown (everywhere) Producer: Serge @SergeDotCom (everywhere) Guest: Rollo Tomassi @RationalMale (X)

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You say they didn't turn the mics on, what's going on? Is it even coming through? Welcome to our last show of the year, everybody. It's going to be a lot of fun. We got big news. Apparently Donald Trump was planning to put Charlie Kirk in the White House. After he left the plan, according to the Daily Mail, was that Charlie Kirk would be the vice presidential candidate for J.D. Vance.

The plan was, should they go two terms? The next candidate in 2036 was going to be Charlie Kirk himself. and everybody knew it, and that's why they've been saying it, now the reporting is out. However, currently at Amfest, it's, I don't know, you know, I say civil war, because it's shock titling or whatever, whatever you're going to call it, it's infighting. People have just said it's a bit like walking on eggshells.

Half the people are upset with the other half of the people are something like this. Ben Shapiro's ragging on Tucker and Megan Kelly, and then Tucker comes out, laughs and calls him pompous. Everyone's fighting. And that's pretty crazy. we had fresh and fit. You guys know Myron and Fresh.

They got barred. And who was it? It was fresh, right? Yeah. She got walked off. He got walked off by security. And they're like, we don't know why. And he's like, okay, I guess.

And then eventually they let him back in. But you can see right now the gatekeeping has begun. And the Republican Party and this machine is going to be reshaped into something else. So it's happening. At least a phonic dropping out of the race in New York. Not. She's not going to. run for Congress again. Tons of people are retiring. Troy Nails is retiring. I believe people are getting

the F out of politics. And I'll tell you this too. I don't want to drag anybody, but some of the people that we've been talking to abruptly at the last minute are like, you know what, I can't be involved in this. We saw it in Maine. People are terrified of being murdered, of being shot at. And I think when I come out and say, hey, they shot at my studio, a lot of people are going to be like, dude, I don't want to be involved in whatever is going on right now. What does that mean? I honestly have no idea, but it's the last show of the year. We're going to talk about it. Before we do, guys, we've got a great sponsor for you. It is crowd health. It's open to enrollment, my friends, the season where health insurance companies hope you'll blindly sign up again for overpriced premiums and confusing fine print.

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Here's a story from the Daily Mail. This is actually fairly wild. Trump's secret succession plan to put Charlie Kirk in the Oval Office and groom a new, a shock new VP. I'm going to lay it down for it. It's very simple. The plan was 2028, J.D. Vance, presidential ticket, Vance Kirk. Charlie Kirk is the VP, and it was perfect. He was young.

It's going to be a few years from now. He'd be old enough. And then two terms, Charlie Kirk would be the next presidential candidate, and he would be a relatively young, well-known, high-profile guy. His VP was going to be Don Jr., which makes a lot of sense. Now, I wonder with the assassination, was it just something so simple as he's a guy who's politics we don't like? or was there perhaps a, we don't want this guy to win the presidency,

some nefarious efforts? I lean towards the very simple crackpot leftist plan this, and they wanted to stop Charlie Kirk, but if I was going to be conspiratorial, I'd argue it's going to be machine state, deep state, whatever you might think. Yeah, I mean, I think the shooting in and of itself demonstrated the gravity that Charlie Kirk had.

I mean, he had an entire apparatus behind him that he had built from scratch, and whoever, the man that shot him, obviously was fully aware of that. He knew what he was doing. Michael Knowles made this point on his show, and it's something that not a lot of conservatives want to hear because it's like a sobering reality. But what he said is that assassinations work. That's why people do them.

And taking Charlie Kirk off the board, after it wasn't this kumbaya moment like, guys, we got to we got to take it back. Everyone was like, we're in trouble without Charlie Kirk. Like there's no doubt about it. He occupied such a massive space on the right. And I mean, I'm glad the Daily Mail is at least reporting that there was a plan in place. but I think it was going to be obvious that either way he was going to be a presidential, certainly a candidate. I mean, he held unbelievable weight in the conservative movement.

It would have just been inevitable, I think. Yeah, I don't think there's a lot of people in the conservative movement. I don't think there's anyone in the conservative movement that had the influence that Charlie did. You know, his ability to reach out and talk to young people. I saw basically a sizzle reel of like all of the people that were just adoring Charlie the day that he was shot, right? Like it was the three month anniversary. Someone put together a sizzle reel and there was no nothing gruesome in it. It was about celebrating Charlie's life.

And, you know, even that day, just, you know, there's like 3,000 people there. People were just stoked to see him. And I mean, he's treated like a rock star, you know. And when you have someone that is that influential and has that much goodwill towards him from a voting block, I mean, it's, it's unstoppable when it comes to, at least politically, you know, it's something that that the, that was that was. remarkable, honestly. So it is obviously, it's a massive loss. And it is good to hear, you know, the Daily Mail talking about this and putting this information out there. Yeah, he's aptly dubbed the quarterback of the MAGA movement.

When your quarterback goes down, your offense grinds to a haul. I mean, look what's happening at Amfest right now. Look at all the things that have happened in the wake of Charlie Kirk. Yeah, I think, I think. Look at everything just imploding right now. I think we're looking at, uh, there's been a political elite civil war going on since Trump got in. The Democrats, what do they, they call Trump the Pied Piper candidate. They hoped that if Trump won the primary, the Republican primary, he would lead the Republicans in a direction that would cost them the election.

Trump won. Whoopsie. And since then, they have been doing everything in their power to destroy the right populist movement. This, with the taking out of Charlie, either through sheer convenience that said left wacko, you know, left-line wacko did this or somebody planned something. Because I don't think for a second it's a lone shooter theory. That's funny because I remember the day he got shot and I was talking with my wife and I said, you know, I said, if you want to watch this video, watch this video. If I suggest you don't.

And she's like, why would they do this? Why would, what is it about him that makes him so important? I said, he's such a likable guy. And I said, most likely it's because he was making a presidential run at some point. Or, you know, he would have been, what, 35 in, in 2028? I mean, even if it's not president, maybe he's vice president. He's running with on a take. This is the first time I've ever heard.

the my suspicions anyways like confirmed but like yeah i mean he was very popular um you don't have to be he doesn't have to be a politician's politician i mean he could just be a well-liked guy and you know for his you know his views and his convictions and standing up for all that stuff especially he'd give him another four years i think where's he then you know what yeah what does he go afterwards right i think especially with the money they were raising i uh i think the tyler robinson story is the closest to reality but who knows however This idea that he acted alone, I think is silly, especially with his reporting that there were vehicles gathering outside his home,

and there was a meeting, and people were going on social media and posting that they had four knowledge of his assassination. The most likely thing is it sounds like liberal activists, left-leaning progressive activists, plotted this, and it wasn't just because Charlie was hateful. It's because he was effective. So I'm conspiracy 100% on this one. I just think that the likely scenario would be Tyler Robinson working with other people

of this political persuasion, not like, you know, I don't know what was. My question was this, like, just like, okay, let's just pure speculation here. Let's say they run Charlie Kirk. Who does the left run against Charlie Kirk in 2028? Who do they put up there? AOC? Yeah, the ALC would go down just like Hillary went down because she's just not as likeable as somebody

is like Charlie Craig. I understand why they need rock stars. I don't think a woman can win the president. Gavin Newsom. They've already done a talk show together, Gavin and Charlie. That's what I was thinking, Gavin Newsom versus Charlie, man, Gavin Newsome looks like a snake. He looks like a used car salesman.

The only way a woman wins the presidency is if both parties nominate a woman. And that means, like, through inner politicking, they make this woman happen. The idea that a woman against a man, I think it's almost always going to end up with the woman losing. And it's funny because when I say this, the progressives go, can't sexist. He says a woman can't win. It's your argument. It's that there are many men who would never vote for a woman. I believe you are correct liberals.

What if it was Tulsi Gabbard for the Republican Party? and then the Democrats just bypassed the primary and selected with superdelegates. Some despicable weak man that people thought was useless. Let's play a game. Let's play a game, bro. Hold on, hold on, hold on. We got to do.

We're in Vegas. Here's what we're going to do, brother. We're going to walk on the strip up to some regular old people, some homies, and we're going to ask them, would you vote for a woman president? And you know what's going to happen? Half the guys are going to go, hell no. Would you vote for an 88-year-old, fat, tired man, too?

and they'd be like, no. I mean, bro, what do you think? Who would you vote for? They're already there. They've already done so. I mean, like, there's tons of videos already where they're like in Times Square and they're like, would you ever vote for when president? And these young guys are like, never.

And they ask them like, what if the candidate was like, you know, the crippled old man? And they're like, nah, women shouldn't be president. Even women go, no, I wouldn't vote for a woman. Yeah, there's lots of like attributes of a presidential candidate that negatively impact them potentially. I mean, it's difficult for men that are short to sort of win the presidency. It's difficult for, to act. actually win. It's actually win. It's difficult for

single men to win the presidency. That was the biggest hit against Tim Scott in the primaries was that he was single and then just swirled like homosexual allegations. It's like you need, but there's a lot of physical attributes that come into play because you're selling them on a package. You're selling them on an aesthetic.

You're selling them on a vibe. All of these things synthesize into a political candidate. Trump shouldn't have won. Hillary Clinton was just very unlikable, politically evil. And there were a lot of people that don't want to vote for a woman. People downplay the actual effect

that has when people see her next to Trump on a debate stage where he's towering above her, wide shoulders, he's like a total alpha. And then Hillary's a tiny little stumpy woman in a pants suit. Kamala Harris requested that her podium and the debate be smaller so that it looked proportionate to her body

like Trump on camera. Wow. Because most people were only seeing Kamala and then Trump and back and forth. And the camera zooms were made to make them look the same size on TV. But when you were there, she had a teeny little podium

and he had a very big one. So Tim Walts, Democratic nominee versus Tulsi Gabbard. You think Tim Walts would win? Yes. That's tough. I mean, Rollo is the masculine. I would actually, I'm interested. I would speculate that.

Not Tim Walt's wins. And I'll say this. I like Tulsi Gabbard as well. But I remember her performance in 2020, and she did some really good things. But it was not X Factor level 10. It was not up there. And also in this hypothetical, like you're dealing with someone that used to be a Democrat. There would be plenty of Republicans that would come out and say, no, she's actually a Democrat.

Remember, she used to this and they used to that, et cetera. And so they wouldn't trust her to be an actual conservative. I'll give you this, Ian. She's also, she's also Krishna, too. A woman can beat a man if it's intentionally uniparty propping up a loser guy who can't win. That's why I wonder, yeah. Okay, so, like, Tim Waltz absolutely can lose to some women, for sure. I guess, so I agree with you.

I stand corrected. I correct my position. What I'm saying is a legitimate race with a real primary. And real, I mean, with superdelegance and all that, where they actually are like, we want this female, female's not going to be the guy. If the Democrats collude with the Republicans and say, we're going to pick a guy who's literally in a coma, and then you're going to pick a charismatic woman, then the woman's probably going to win. Yeah. Like a, and Nikki Haley pulls really well against Democrat candidates purely because she's not really threatening to the. sort of regime as it stands in any way.

If you want to bring in like it's truly formidable paradigm changing candidate, they're going to be a male because you're going to have to sell them on the additional factors. So Trump, that's what Trump had to be. I was going to say I wrote this essay that about a year after the Trump Hillary in 2016, right. And I spelled it out this way is, uh, Hillary was so unlikable and was such the, she's like the epitome of, of feminism.

She's like the most foaming at the mouth, you know, what, If you want to say, like, you know, what does a feminist look like? You're going to go to Hillary Clinton, right? You're going to look at her. She's like, she's like this kaiju of, you know, feminism, right? There's only one other person, one male on planet Earth that is as big a kaiju. A kaiju. You know, it's like Godzilla versus Rodan or so.

And it's, and you've got, see, we've got Hillary on one side. Then you've got Trump on the other side. Trump is the only one who is so over the top masculine that he could possibly be a contender against somebody who was so over the top feminist as she is. And so, like, if you think about it this way, though, everybody thought that Hillary was going to win so much so that Newsweek had the covers already prepared for it. What was it? Remember that show, House of Cards?

House of Cards changed the plot of House of Cards, expecting there to be a female president in the Super Bowl ads of, well, I guess it would have been 2017 at that point. The Super Bowl ads had to all go back and rejigger all of their, Super Bowl adds that they'd shot six months prior because they shot them with the intention of, you know, building up little girls to be the next female president because they were so certain that Hillary was going to be the next or the first female president. I thought everybody thought that. Let me let me tell you about one of the greatest days of my life. I was sitting there watching the New York Times probability meter greater than 99% Hillary Clinton.

And then every 10 minutes, every few minutes, it's just moving. I remember when I got to 50-50, and I'm sitting there, and I'm just, I'm sorry, I put my feet up, I'm laughing. And then I remember when it ticked over to Trump winning. I didn't vote for Trump. I just absolutely loved watching Hillary Clinton get just destroyed an election because I can't stand these people. But I will say this, J.D. Vance tall guy, Don Jr. tall guy, Charlie Kirk, he was like eight feet tall. Yeah. Yeah.

I think he was 6'5, right? Yeah. Well, because it contributes to like, it's tough to quantify aura, but aura genuinely does come into play. this is like why Howard Dean got smoked in the polls right after that scream because he lost all his aura. You also want to, we're hiring a military commander and you want a tall man that can see over the heads of the dudes in front of him. I mean, that's the genetic, real animalistic reason we want a tall man. Deep voice as well. Let's show to this story from Politico.

Maga infighting erupts at Turning Point USA Conference. To the night's headliners, Ben Shapiro and Tucker Carlson threw jabs at each other in their speeches. And I'm hearing now that people are like it's pretty tense because you've got, different factions now that are basically going to odds with each other. Check this out from Dom Lucre. This is a video of them kicking out fresh from the Fresh and Fit podcast. Look at this. So he's filming. This is fresh filming. Yeah. Thanks for being cool about that, man. Cool. But did it say what I did or is in there? No, I have nothing. Damn. All right. Dick about this. Well, uh, it's up.

apparently I don't know why. But, uh, yep. That's crazy, right? Apparently, they also barred Myron from coming in as well, but then later reverse and let them both come back in. They both got back in. I think it's very obvious. There is a mega civil war, and I'm telling you, I think who's going to win is going

to be the Romney-esque conservatives. And then the, uh, I'll be. I'll put it like this because we talked about a little bit yesterday. Like I asked by a reporter from the Wall Street Journal about what I thought was going on, and I said, well, we weren't invited. They invited me back after the fact, for whatever reason, and I was like, we're booked. I'm just not going to do it. And I got to be honest, I really don't want to be there.

With this, with all the stuff going on, with all this bickering, bitching, infighting, I don't know what is going on with this, but I will tell you this. I do not care for the suit where a Republican Party. Never did. Democrats are absolutely insane. They're insane people. who do things that are insane for insane reasons. For that reason, I voted for Republicans.

Donald Trump's different. I like J.D. Vance, but I don't like the stodgy, Bush-era suit-wearing conservatives. And what Amfest is turning into is, Guy in suit comes out says Christianity, guy in suit comes out says immigration, and I'm like, well, it's not really for me. Now you've got infighting. Now you've got the people screaming about Zijews, and I'm just like, you know, if that's the direction you're going, I'm not interested. And so I'll say this one thing.

Jillian Michael's shout out She's on that show with PBD's What was it? Her take? Yeah, called her in their life Let's make a view for real people And this viral clip happened

Where Anna Kus Baran brings up Israel again And Jillian Michael goes Oh my God I did not come here to just talk about Israel nonstop and she gets up and leaves The anti-Israel people framed it as though Gillian refused to criticize Israel The real story is that

Anna Kus Barron brings up Israel all the time And Jillian's actual complaint is I get it already. Can we talk about something else? If this is the direction they're going, it's going to be the Jews with like Candace Owens, or it's going to be suit wearing, you know, Bush era interventionist, boring, no, like,

I'm not there. Now, don't get me wrong, I don't know who the Democratic Party I'm voting for because they're insane too. But I have a potential prediction, based on what we're seeing now with the mega civil war, what we're going to call it, I don't know how likely it will be, But I believe there's a decent probability.

A Rogan-esque Democrat emerges, I mean, like Joe Rogan-esque, who says, I don't know what's going with the Republicans. He's going to be wearing a flannel. He's going to be, like, big into MMA. He's going to be a reasonable guy. He's going to be friends with comedians. And he's going to say, the Republicans are going weird on me, man, just like the Democrats used to, I'm going to try and save the Democratic Party and bring it back to normalcy.

And then this person could advocate against the weird trends in the kids. stuff, push out the weird far lefty cultural stuff, keep the far left the economic stuff, and be someone who appears reasonable to working class Americans and actually win. Republicans are still have a better approval rating than Democrats. Democrats are still in the toilet. So, I mean, the Republicans still could make something out of this. But if they're fighting with each other about, you know, who's going to actually be in charge of the Republican Party, because that's the sense that I get about.

about the Amphast stuff, right? Like the fight is now, okay, we want to keep the people that we find, you know, offensive or we find distasteful. We want to keep them out. And we want this to go back to the kind of Romney-esque, normal, quote, unquote, Republicans. But that's not what the MAGA coalition is. The MAGA coalition wasn't exclusive. It didn't kick people out. And so Republicans can make something of this and capitalize on really historic low favorability for the Democrats.

But if they're going to exclude people, they're going to be giving away votes. Well, I think there's two points. I mean, one, I do think Vance is probably the only person in the party right now that's capable of stitching the coalition together. He's demonstrated that he is the best at framing, probably in the entire Republican Party. I was talking to Phil earlier about this. The moment that I really realized Vance is the guy, I mean, I always liked him. I always supported him, and I was excited when he was a VP candidate. But when I realized, like, oh, this is the guy for 28 was after the political article came out about the group chat leak.

and you know everyone on the right was like kind of unsure to handle it do we condemn these kids do we throw them under the bus and then vance comes out and says i don't really care about a group chat leak when the ag candidate in virginia is threatening to kill republicans like you guys need to clean up your side before we ever consider like you know hall monitoring our side so i do think vance is probably the only guy that's capable of stitching that coalition together but the knives are out for them from both the neocons and sort of the groyper aligned people but i do think with the democrats they're going to struggle to actually present sort of of a moderate MMA type of guy because they're beholden to their base. And that's sort of the issue in the Democrat Party is the base has no appetite whatsoever to. Something happened? Myron Fresh wanted to send you a video. Oh, right on. Oh, right on. Shout out to Fresh and Fit.

They're in Amfest now. I'm glad they got in. I just think next year they're not going to be let in. And that's going to be bad for the Republican Party. Well, I was just to say their base has no appetite to moderate right now. And then here's the primary issue for a moderate Democrat, if they were to try to merge on the national scene, is they're also beholden to staffers. And so when you're trying to staff a campaign, when you're trying to staff an administration, the problem is in the Democrat Party on the left is they're all functionally activists. They all believe they're in perpetual revolution.

And so, okay, let's say, okay, maybe a Rogan type of guy does come along who's maybe a bit more moderate. He's going to instantly get pushed to the left by his staff. Like, it's not a one-man army. A political campaign is really a conglomeration of everybody within that campaign. To your point, I just saw a tweet earlier. Owen Wilson, who's the guy, or no, Owen Jones, I'm sorry. Owen Wilson. I like that, nice.

Owen Jones, who's a Politico in, he's a commentator in the UK. And he made, he misgendered someone in some kind of online discussion or whatever. And he was getting lambasted by people. So that, the idea that woke has gone away is totally wrong. And that's still very, very influential on the left. So the, so someone that would be a rogan. kind of every man's man, the feminists are not going to get behind them, the intersectionists are not going to get behind them. I'm glad you brought up, I'm glad you brought up Roganesque,

because the first thing that happened right after Trump got into office, you have all these talk shows that we're talking, how do we lose? I can't believe we're trying to analyze how they lost. And the very first thing they said was, you know, well, it's, I think it was Dana Bash, was the first one to mention that we're living in the manosphere right now. And literally, I still have that, I still have that clip. But I watched all these talk shows in the, sort of aftermath of the election. And they were all saying, well, we don't have a Jordan Peterson. We don't have a Theo Fawn.

We don't have a Joe Rogan. We don't have a, you know, somebody who's like popular with the boys. You know, how do we get the men to come back to the, to the Democrat Party? Well, you never had them in the first place. In fact, you actively ran them out of the party. But now they're trying to, I'm seeing the rise of this sort of character right now. And I'm just going to use Scott Galloway as the example. But Scott Galloway is that he's the safest, you know, edge lord that there is right now.

And he'll go on Oprah. He'll go on, you know, he'll go on with Chris Williamson. He'll go out these guys. And it's always these half measures, but it always comes back to sort of, you know, he's, he wants to address the fact that, you know, young men are having issues and problems these days. But then he'll turn around somehow and make it the same people's fault for that. But I see what they're trying to do. They're trying to sort of groom a figure.

I'm not saying they're going to run Scott Galloway as a. as a presidential candidate, but somebody like him who has that kind of gravitas, I guess, that a Rogan does or like that sort of online podcaster sort of voice that they can relate to. I think that's probably a direction that they want to go. I agree with you guys on the, there's a lot of feminists, but the same way we are seeing the icing out of the Zajou's people on the right, I would not be surprised to see. As these people keep saying, where's our left-wing Joe Rogan with, yeah, maybe we need to get rid of these these wackaloons and so you will start seeing it's not difficult to do you can easily

like look what's happening with candace she's she's she's the center stage of the conspiracy conspirator right and it's not even right wing i mean she's attracting liberals yeah this may actually rope all of them all of the fringe weirdos into a space where you get moderate conservatives and moderate liberals largely agreeing and then you have the whack a loon left with the whack a loon right together because they hate israel like one of the things i tweeted was the future left-right divide is going to be those who are ambivalent to pro-Israel and those who hate Israel. Because Anika Sparian is now a Candace Owens fan. And the young Turks audience in the comment section are big Candice Owens fans. They have found their unity in hating Israel. And that's

going to be some other weird faction. And then moderates are going to be like, well, you know, you're going to start, I would not be surprised. I'm not saying it's true. If CNN starts saying, these people are just plumb crazy, starts trying to bring it back. And they occupy then a similar space to Fox News the way it used to be, where they largely agreed on everything except for a few wedge issues. And then you're going to have the online space of the Zajou's people, and then you're going to have the mainstream space of moderate politics. I do think that they're going to, it's very pro-Israel, by the way. Well, I mean, you're starting to see the Democrats try to, like, you're talking about, try to sort of get people to pass, get their candidates to pass the sniff

test for like sort of what masculine politics would look like. Like there's a Senate, there's a Senate candidate it in Maine, Graham Platner. And he does the thing where he wears the flannel. And he cuts these ads where he's like chopping wood. And he tries to talk in a really deep voice. But he tries to like sell these policies that are inherently like really gay in a way that would pass the sniff test for like normal people. And so he'll like cut an ad where he's like, you know what I hate to see.

I hate when these chuds misgender, a beautiful trans woman. And like it's so it's like it's got the facade of like a tough man. I think he was like a Marine or something. But the problem is these guys are just so beholden to their base because the ones that aren't, the ones that are actually pushing maybe more towards the middle, they get completely lambasted by the Democrats. Look at how they've treated John Federman.

Let's jump to the story we've got breaking from Amfest. This is a speech by Vivek Ramoswamy, roasting the idea of heritage Americans. About criticizing the woke left. Now let me get to the harder part. There's a different vision of American identity that's emergent in certain corridors of the online right. And it says that your identity as an American is based on your lineage.

That how long you have been in the country, your lineage and your genetics tied to the blood and soil of the country, determines how American you are. It is the idea of a heritage American that says the truest form of an American is somebody who is a descendant of the American Revolution period or before. And I will tell you, this idea of the heritage American, we ought to have this discussion. It's becoming more popular. I think the idea of a heritage American is about as loony as anything the woke left has actually put up. There is no American who is more American than somebody else. The American quality, it's not like the left they believe in this non-binary stuff.

There's no non-binary American. It is binary. Either you're an American or you're not. And you think about it, I could prove this to you. Okay, I'll take some applause on that. Let's hear it. Prove it to me. If you really believe in this idea, think about where it leads you.

Leads you to believe that Donald Trump is less of an American than Joe Biden because Donald Trump's mother was an immigrant and his grandfather was an immigrant. That doesn't make any sense. That's not the argument. That somehow Bernie Sanders is more of an American than Senator Bernie Moreno from my home state, an America First Patriot, because Bernie Moreno was a naturalized citizen from Columbia. It makes you think that Marco Rubio, our great Secretary of State, is somehow less of an American than Elizabeth Warren because she's a Native American, which we all know, right? Doesn't make any sense.

It's crazy talk. It makes you believe that somehow I am less of an American than the transgender criminal who assassinated Charlie Kirk. We refuse to accept that. The idea that a heritage American is a more American than another American is un-American at its core, and I will fight to. And I will fight to the very end for that because that's what it means to be an American. We believe in ideals. That is who we are. So take a look at where Amfest is going and where the right is going.

And it is very, very easy to understand. And I will explain it all to you. We have no babies. Yes. We are missing a major portion of our entry-level labor market. Universities are starting to collapse because there's no matriculation. That's your word, remember? It means entering university.

Because in 2008 with the financial crash, people like me didn't have babies. So now we have a generation, half the size is the previous generation. The powers that be want immigrants in this country. They don't care about baseball and apple pie. They don't care about truth just in the American way. Those are secondary to Gref go up. I believe this is the direction of the Republican Party. Republicans and Democrats together are going to make as many arguments as they can

that everyone is an American, and I will explain it to Vivek. I like Vivek. First, a heritage American in the lightest example is not as he described, that Joe Biden's family was here longer than Trump, so he's more American. That's not the argument. The argument is if your grandparents were here, you are a heritage American, which means even starting today, if a family comes here and they have kids and those kids are raised, they're saying it's like third generation, basically, people, who have stronger ties to the country and what it was what it was built out to be. It doesn't mean before the Revolutionary War that is a straw man. There's an argument from people who are saying, my grandfather built, helped build town hall. They brought in Haitian migrants into my town, and now they're voting against me. My family fought and died for my ability to have a good life.

That's the argument. What about my great-grandfather was a drunken boxer, and a total abusive loser that it contributed next to nothing to society. But he was here. I am not standing here to say that Vivek is wrong when he says the transgender assassin

was more American than he is. I think Vivek is a great American. I believe that he is a great patriot. I like what Vivek largely does, and I am criticizing him in that's a particular point. Vivek obviously views the world this way because he comes from a family of immigrants. So

this is always going to be what's happening and I predicted this perfectly. And I'll make it very short for because I'm going to tell the story all over again, but imagine a scenario where 200 years ago, a guy has a farm and there's no neighbors. And over a period of time of decades, a small town builds up. All the dads come together and they say, let's build a baseball field together for our kids and so we can play baseball. They have grandkids and those grandkids say, let's vote in favor of revitalizing granddad's baseball park. We're going to put up a statue in his honor with his name on it. They vote yes. then that guy has a grand kid

and the baseball field is in disrepair and they say town hall I vote in favor of repairing the baseball field their tax dollars and they say all in favor and everyone claps and cheers and screams and they go all opposed and a larger group

booze and says nay and that group are the Haitian migrants that were brought in by the Democrats and the Republicans because there's not enough people now the tradition the lifeblood the legacy the memory

is voted against by newcomers Newcomers who came here through temporary protected status or otherwise, that's the issue. Now the question is, are the Haitian migrants wrong to vote against allocating funding for a baseball field? No, they're not. They say, we should spend that money on an immigration welcome center. Too many Haitian migrants in this town don't speak English and don't know how to work or get jobs. So is it wrong as an incorrect? No.

Is it wrong as an immoral? I'd argue, no. It is just not good for the people whose family. built the place and want to sustain it, that a whole influx of, a massive influx of people displaces them and then votes against their cultural interests. That is not a good thing because it leads to racial animosity, cultural animosity, and violence between peoples. So this argument, this heritage Americans, if you actually want to understand it, is a fine

argument. I would still argue that a crackpot leftist whose family's been here for 100 years is a bad person and Vivek is a good person. But I think it's important to point out that, to be honest, I'm not very interested in the political opinions of foreigners in America. I value an American communist's opinion more than an Indian migrants' opinion because they are Americans and we have a system where we debate and negotiate. That being said, I hope they lose. Their ideology is ridiculous. And if they're like Dinesh D'Soo, I'll put it like this. The ultimate conclusion of Vivek Ramoswamy's argument

is a man born in China should be able to become president if he becomes naturalized because there's no such thing as a heritage American but the Constitution says otherwise Well, what Vivek is doing here is really pernicious and people need to watch out for this

is the play that he is putting out here what he's proposing is he's using American as an adjective rather than a noun where every other nationality on planet Earth it's used as a noun he's using it as an adjective And the reason he is doing this is because fundamentally he does not believe that anybody that has any lineage in this country is entitled to the country. What he is doing is he's dividing the world between Americans and future Americans because he views it as an adjective.

And that's a really sinister thing that he's doing. That's why he's straw manning the argument. And also it's very convenient for someone named Vivek Ramoswamy to view it in this instance. And do you think someone born in China grew up there, they're 35, they moved to the United States. After a few years, they get their citizenship. Should they be allowed to be president? No. So there is a heritage American.

You've got to be born in the country to be the president. The Constitution says so, which means Vivek is not correct when he says Americans are all Americans. Well, I think he's circumventing a problem that could happen in a future where people are like, how American are you? And you're like, second generation, they're like, that ain't American enough. The Constitution already says this. I know, but he's doing the moral argument about how to treat each other going forward as Americans. Like, if your parents came here from India and you were born here and you're totally Americanized, You're basically as American as I am.

That's the problem is we're using. That's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, if again, using it as an adjective as the way that, you know, Tate is mentioning it, you're an American in that someone handed you a card saying, congratulations, you are legally an American. That's so, for you. The question about what makes someone an American, we have cultural traditions. We have heritage. Yeah, driving on the right side of the road, you know, um, baseball and apple pie.

Christmas morning, all those things. Yeah, jingle bells, all that stuff we can identify with it's, this is what he's trying to, what he's trying to, like, what he's trying to, like, excel. What he's trying to pass off here is the idea of the propositional nation. And this is the problem. This is what the left has been proposing for the last 50 years. Like post really 1960s when this idea of the propositional nation came about. So he's fundamentally using a leftist argument. Again, I'll say it is he's using American as an adjective and that we're the only country on earth that is supposed to do that.

It makes zero sense. I got a question. You guys remember when Arnold Schwarzenegger became the governor of California back in the mid-2000s, something like that. And everybody wanted him to run for president, but he could. not run for president because he was not a natural life citizen, right? He emigrated here and I guess he patriated to the United States. Now, I mean, can you think of anybody more American than, you know, than Arnold Schwarzenegger, right? Up until like the COVID, you know, pandemic and everything, but what do you say fuck your freedom? Yeah, fuck your freedom. Yeah, that was a, that was a real misstep.

But like up until that point, you know, he was, he was an American success story. So is he more American than somebody who was like, like natural? Here's a question for you. Everybody wanted him to be president. Here's a question for you. Would you rather have as president? Dinesh D'Souza or AOC? It's when you're presented with that binary. That's a question. It's not rhetorical.

I'm asking the question. Dinesh Denech Doseuza or AOC. Hands down, but guess what do you want born here? Right, but I guess the problem with... Are we sure AOC was? Well, the problem with Arnold is Arnold is an exception to the norm. Like, that's the issue here.

It's like, we can cite Arnold, but that's the reason is we have to dig to think of an actual example of someone that has moved to this country and then is exceptionally sort of If we are to sort of step into the adjective framework, okay, he would be considered like someone that is, you know, very American. But he's an exception to the norm. And I don't think like when we're sort of, you know, drawing up policy, we should build it on exceptions. I think the norm has been, certainly over the last 60 years,

that people that have moved to this country just simply don't feel a deeper sense of rootedness to this country that heritage Americans do. And that's why that's a useful definition. And I mean, like, I'm descended, I have like Mayflower descent. But, I mean, I think Jack Posobic has laid this out quite well because he obviously came a little bit later. He's sort of sorted Americanness into these categories, really the new of the antebellum people that arrived in the 19th century, up until Ellis Island.

These are people that had to earn skin in the game through these moments in American history. Like the American Civil War was great. All those people that came in the antebellum period, then bought into the system. Same thing with the Ellis Islanders. The World Wars breakout, they buy into the system. But even when the Ellis Islanders came,

like, you know, your Italians, the Irish, they had a lot of problems assimilating the United States. It took about 40, 50. It was a long time it took to process these people. and fundamentally assimilate them. And so the problem right now, among others, with the way immigration has broken down over the last 60 years,

is it's the volume of immigrants because we've brought in so many that you can't assimilate people because they just build, they sort of fall into these ethnic enclaves. They're not actually interacting with Americans. And so it's been the volume fundamentally that's the issue.

And that's why people, like me and Phil have proposed net zero migration, because that allows the America sort of get the boot off of its neck, allow these people to properly assimilate before we even consider bringing more people. So knowing that, is that why you think someone like Vivek is making, like, planning the seeds of this sort of idea that, like, maybe, like, naturalized citizens should be able to run for president? He's upholding the propositional nation. There's one reason. The powers that be understand our system will buckle without new labor to sustain its economy.

That's it. Republicans understand it the same as Democrats, but the right populist movement wants to preserve its cultural traditions more than it wants to preserve its economy. because to a working class guy making $60,000 a year, he says, I don't care about your banking institutions. I don't care about your 401ks. He's like, I struggle to make ends meet as it is. I want to go toss the pigskin with my kid. And so when you go to him and say,

but how about we bring in 50,000 Haitians to your town? He says, why do I want that? And they say, well, because we need the tax base for the roads, because we need the tax base to put up buildings and to fund wars and the troops. They're going to say no to that. But the machine state does not care. And so I'm not putting us all on Vivek.

The obvious direction the Republican Party is going to go is going to be very much along with the left where they're going to say all immigrants are welcome. There will be a segment, I think, of the Republican Party that's going to say that gets more, I don't know if racist is the right word, but more nationalist, more puritanical. About like, if your blood isn't American, then you're not a real American. How long have you, has your family been? And that's like Nazi Germany. There will be a segment of people like that, but I think because, you know, the inevitability of homogenization, I don't think it can really stand. Okay, let me just, I want to say this right now because apparently it's being reported. Steve Bannon says Ben Shapiro was jealous of Charlie Kirk and we'll try to take over a turning point.

Ben Shapiro was like a cancer, a cancer that spread. And that cancer spreads. Gosh, wow. Well, he called out Bannon too. Yeah. I got a question. Sorry to interrupt and I kind of derail. I just saw this.

Why would I want to be there and be involved in this? To make it better? So you mean like I should go up on stage and also accuse other people and say that would make it worse Be a disruptor. How am I going to make it better go up on stage? Like guys please can we hug? Fuck shit up. That would probably, that would probably make it better probably if you did that.

I'd go there to do that. Even if you were there for like 30 seconds and you went on stage and was like oh holy shit holy shit in the fire this is what I saw and felt when they said they weren't going to invite us. I said I can see what's going on and I don't I'm not it's not fun. It doesn't. There was something. magical about it with this big vision that Charlie had and whatever it is now is not fun. I feel like Charlie, the Turning Point machine is like a heavy snowball and it's like difficult

to wield and it's got so much momentum when it gets moving, but Charlie didn't seem to care. He was like, whatever, I'll juggle this like I juggle everything else, 100 million, okay, whatever, let's have fun, guys. Like, you really wanted it. And I think maybe the bureaucrats at Turning Point, whoever's in charge of the bureaucracy, is more concerned about not messing up. Charlie didn't have that it just illustrates the issue that what's happening right now is all these guys are getting up on stage and they're settling scores. I mean, that's what we're seeing here with Vivek is he clearly is really bothered by the discourse around Heritage Americans. People just simply saying, hey, can we have what everybody else has, which is like a sense of self-identity? Because like the problem with Vivek's argument fundamentally is that if we are to start denaturalizing people, which needs to happen, then you're going to have to ask the question, okay, well, who is indistinguishably American? That's the conversation that has to have. And if we set up what he is proposing, this propositional nation, It's going to be impossible to denaturalize anybody because he could denaturally someone from Oregon who's Antifa,

but their family's been in the country for 400 years. And that's what's so annoying is seeing guys like him get up. When we should be focused, we're like getting hammered in the polls right now approaching the midterms. And these guys like Vivek, like Shapiro, these sorts of people are getting up on stage and they're using it as an opportunity to settle scores. Mark my words. If the Democrats win the presidency, they will pack the courts. Yep. They will end the filibuster overnight.

There will be a lawsuit challenging the constitutional provision on, citizenship provision requiring citizenship for the presidency, the Democrat Supreme Court will rule it unconstitutional on its face. And this is not an amendment. This is actually in the Constitution that you have to be born here. And they're going to say, since the argument they'll make is this country has changed markedly in the past 250 years with the 14th Amendment and the recognition that those who are born here are citizens, questions must be asked about the intention of the Constitution when it said you must be born here. Well, as many of these slaves who were born here were not citizens and only became citizens

after the fact, but would be eligible to be president, the same rights must be afforded anyone who has granted legitimate citizenship, for there can be no second-class citizen. And to argue that someone who is legally granted citizenship cannot hold office would make them second-class in the eyes of the Constitution, which is unconstitutional. so here found by the Supreme Court. And then you're going to get Xi Zhang Fei. He's going to move to America. He's going to get a citizenship.

And he's going to say, the interests of America or the interests of communist China, vote for me. They will vote for him. And then you're going to have the interests of China and America. If people go to bed and then they wake up in five years maybe, but people, I don't think anybody, I mean, there's a, sorry, Taylor, you're going to say. No, I would just say, well, I mean, the issue with, this is why this is a battle that's worth having because the problem is if you're using American as an adjective rather than a noun, and noun has a definition that cannot change. An adjective, the definition is in flux. It's

spitting on who's in power because if the Democrats are in power and it's unmitigated, unrivaled power, they can then sort of alter what the definition of American is. And they can say Zoron is exceptionally American because he believes in lifting everyone up and Americans don't leave anyone behind. Therefore, we're going to abolish the 14th Amendment or alter the sort of the definition of it. So that way Zoronam Dhani, because he's so American, can run for president because that's why this is such a horrible, horrible argument because using American as an adjective, again, is just subject to whoever's in power and defining what Americanism is. If he was using it as a noun only, wouldn't that just mean that everybody born here is an

American, end of story? That's the argument around heritage American is, okay, we need to define what is an American because we had an ethnogenesis as a people that occurred following its founding. And so you can sort of tighten ranks a little bit and say, okay, just because someone was born here and they have paperwork doesn't mean they're an American. That's just someone that was born here. I'm going to also add the idea that we started doing this, you're an Italian-American. The fact that we had a qualifier, so as American, already signified 100-some-odd years ago that people were not just Americans. I asked people, are you a Jewish-American or are you an American Jew? Because where's your loyalties lie?

It's Teddy Roosevelt's a hyphenated Americans. And what about the U.S. liberty? I mean, come on. I want to know more about those rockets coming out of those planes, wave after wave or attacking off the liberty. To Tate's point, Teddy Roosevelt didn't, you know, he did really make a great point. if you're a hyphenated American, that means that you're in some way considering yourself something other than an American. One foot up the door.

Yeah. And that shouldn't be an acceptable state of affairs when you're dealing with people that are going to be deciding policy for the United States. Like you should be an American. Yeah. And regardless of how you define heritage American or what have you, if you think of yourself as a hyphenated American, if you think of yourself as something other than an American, That should be, in my opinion, enough to disqualify you from holding office.

Yeah, I mean, because people, the reality is people have really deep connections to the places they're from, and it's really hard to break someone out of that. And I understand there's immigrants that have come to the country, and they have completely left the old world behind, and they truly feel 100% American. But those people are in the minority, because what's happening is, again, that's human nature. It's not necessarily a bad thing that you have a deep connection to your ancestral homeland.

That's why you're seeing these Somalis that have come to Minnesota, immediately game the system, scam the government out of a bunch of money, and send it back to Somali, because that's where they feel attachment to. Okay, I have to jump to the story. Senator Mike Lee, would you like to seize cartel assets as a privateer?

My bill would allow the president to issue a letter of Mark. Yes. Time to take these pirates down. No, no, Mike, rephrase that post. Would you like to be a pirate? Yes, I would. Give me a boat and a gun.

I'm storming those ships. I'm messaging I want. legitimately have friends that saw this and they were, there's a group chat that we have. And they're like, bro, these dudes are, these dudes, one of the dudes used to, he was a Blackwater guy. He'd been to, he's done private security and stuff. And he's like, go, let's go. We can finally put these Somalis to use. But why is he calling them the pirates?

Bro. When you're a privateer with a letter of Mark, you are the pirate. That's the point. He should have said, would you like to be a pirate? Because now you literally can. and they should even give you a Jolly Roger to fly on your ship when they send you out with your letter of mark although no one really did that but it'd be funny

you could imagine a bunch of rednecks on pontoon boats with Jolly Rogers flying like Hey man, bro could you imagine it's like 15 Appalachian dudes who like were working with a PMC and they bring in this like massive tanker full of oil

and they're now worth $50 million dollars they're like they got them boys Eric Prince saw that and like he was I'm sure that he was just like, let's go, because he was talking about trying to get this off the ground recently. Oh, awesome. Eric Prince, the guys in Blackwater, like those dudes that are still capable, like, they're like, man, we don't have an Iraq to go fight in. I had a great time, let's go. And I'm not kidding.

You can disagree and disapprove of this attitude, but there are dudes that have been to war that really want to go back. Yeah. Eric Prince was on, it was a Bronze Age Perverts podcast, and he talked. talked about at length how the world is entering sort of this PMC era. And it's actually kind of just a return to tradition where you had privateers, where you had mercenaries and these sorts of things. That's historically these colonial powers got things done. So we are heading into a world where if you're like,

you get all these kids out of their basements and stroking off the porn and the lost generation. Bro, bro, bro. Give them a pirates at and go. The total value of a full standard oil tanker on sea, $150 million. That's generational wealth. Bro, yes, generation. Like, we didn't make a movie about this.

It's just like a handful of PMCs. Have you guys seen the movie? What is it? It's with Jason Statham. And he, what does it call it? Is it working man maybe? I don't know. He, his job as a security guard.

And then the backstory is basically that he's a mob boss. He and his kid, he was staking out something for his team. Working men, yeah. It's these PMCs who are broke and they're like, I miss the action. And so they stage a heist on armored vehicles to make money. You make a movie where it's these like semi-half or half a time. retired PMCs who are like, the jobs are just drying up, and then they see the bill passed. Letters of Mark being issued to seize Venezuelan tankers.

I'm going to blow the plot, but it should be that they get a tanker that has some super high-tech thing on board that the American government wants, and then they issue letters for Mark for them, and they're on the run from the other pirates. You just gave somebody a $100 million blockbuster movie. I disagree. I disagree. It's terrible. I think the movie is literally supposed to be they are pirates who sees.

No, you listen if you thought it was awful. Because the point of the letter of Mark is to seize oil that is valuable. If you want to make Captain America where he flies from a helicopter and then fights Bartok, do it. No, no. I'm saying, a PMC movie, not a sci-fi drama where they're trying to find the golden eye. You need a-in-in-in. I'm talking about a military movie where guys steal oil. But you need something bad to happen in the movie for it to be good.

Yes. Something horrible has to change. It's got to be pulp fiction kind of movie. Bro, it's just like, like I mentioned, like working men. A group of PMCs are down on their luck. They can't find work. They get a letter of mark. and the movie is about them taking down a Venezuelan oil taker for $150 million.

And then the movie ends with them cashing out and fist bump. It could be great. No, it's just free market top gun. It'd be great. It would be. It would be. I mean, I would go see that movie. No, yeah.

I mean, we're entering that. I mean, that's just the reality. If you look around all of these PMCs emerging because you saw like in the 80s and 90s, you had people like Mark Thatcher, like Neil Ellis, who conducted these PMC activities in Africa. But it was at a very small scale. And then oftentimes Western governments, the United States, France, the UK would try to hamstring them as much as possible. While we're entering this new era where the Trump administration has really just taken the boot off of the neck of these guys who want to do these really cool, dramatic things in Africa.

And then also, like a lot of these African nations hire these PMCs because they're like, hey, we kind of like Western democracy. I don't know if we want you guys to impose it, but maybe you can help us develop it on our own. And so they utilize these PMCs to bring, like, prosperity to these countries. And so I think we're actually entering a really exciting era of the world. And look, this would be a massive, massive, again, another boot lifting off the neck, so to speak, for these guys. If they can just get, like, licenses to go and privateer and the Caribbean, I mean, it's so sick. And the Chinese and the Russians will probably start. That's the thing is this is why America's behind the ball, because the Chinese and Russians have been doing this for years.

I mean, like Wagner Group, that's Wagner Group's main thing has been operating in Africa. And okay, they are associated with the Russians, at least in the Eastern European theater. But in Africa, the Wagner group's basically just running loose. And they've pushed out, like the French Foreign Legion, a lot of these British peacekeeping forces. They've just pushed them out because these dudes are just hungry. So what happens if someone takes the letter mark, they go down to the Caribbean, they think they're doing good, they end up blowing up a civilian boat unintentionally. Are they considered like, hey, you're on your own now.

You took the letter. If you mess up, you're dead and we're going to kill you. Well, the U.S. wouldn't do the killing, but the U.S. would likely allow the government that of the people Venezuela. And then would the U.S. government protect them if they got back to U.S. territory? You don't actually need a letter of Mark to storm and seize a Venezuelan ship. Yeah.

Technically, that's true, of course. Right. The letter of mark is protection within the United States. Yeah. Yes. But if you, so if you go out and kill, like, innocent Venezuelans on the open sea, will they still protect you if you violate international law? You're making an argument about specific circumstances of international incident,

which could vary in a million different ways. if you accidentally, like let's say there's a privateer warship and it fires on a tanker but misses and hits a small fishing vessel, there's going to be questions about whether it was a legitimate action sanctioned by the U.S. government, in which case they'll probably say you're fine. Now, if you're a PMC and you're like, we've got a letter of Markles who'll kill civilians, they're going to lock you up. Yeah.

Yeah, I mean, we had an incident recently in the Congo where there was two Americans, and I think they had like a British buddy with them. And for a variety of reasons, the Congolese government, this is the DRC, so the big Congo. And for a variety of reasons, they sort of accused these guys of attempting a coup, which was crazy because there was three of them and a few locals.

And they executed the Americans. And I think, or the execution's pending. And as far as I can tell, the American government isn't really interested in intervening because they believe that the Congolese have like a valid reason to carry this out. So I think that's to say that I think the Americans,

if this happened on foreign soul and they catch you, they just cut you loose. Yep. I mean, unless you make it back to Miami, then you're probably good. Because we don't, we don't have extradition treaty with Venezuela.

Like, there's no need for us to go to bat for them. So, I mean, and look, the, there are PMCs in the US. Like I said,

you know, Eric Prince is, I don't know what is his company's called now, but they're very capable. You know, they have the weaponry that it would be required to do this type of stuff.

They have dudes that, a lot of the dudes that get out of the special forces or get out of direct action teams. They're like, And, you know, it wasn't worth staying in the military because you don't get paid enough. But when I get done, I mean, I'll make $250K a year to go and do private military contracting. It's big bucks. We already see.

I mean, a lot of these guys, they just also can't get the fighting sort of thing. They have trouble reintegrating. These guys that have seen heavy combat have trouble reintegrating in society. So what you're seeing is like in the French Foreign Legion, for example, which is just, they're called Legionaires. I'm sure everybody's familiar with the French Foreign Legion is, I believe the makeup of the French Foreign Legion is like 50s. 50% Slavic. It's like former Yugoslavian guys. These are dudes in the 90s in early 2000s who saw some like brutal combat. And then granted, the economies of their home countries were pretty bad. So not only did they have a tough time reintegrating into society because of what

they saw, but they also had trouble finding jobs. So they just went and joined the French Foreign Legion because they're like, hey, that's at least going to give me a life beyond this. I'm having trouble reintegrating to society. So there's like a precedent set. Granted, I don't know in America if we haven't like a large enough volume of guys that have experienced that sort of thing. So you would have to incentivize them with like additional income and these sorts of things to really sweeten the deal. I can just see the guys at Palantir just going, oh, yeah.

Oh yeah. Oh yeah. That'll be a contract. Absolutely, you know. Horble strike. Yeah. You know. Like a sky cannon.

They're going to be like using like cod weapons on these guys. Yeah. No joke. They're going to pack a bunch guns. Yeah. I mean, it's the, the, the, the, the, the, the PMCs have the capability. Like I said. And also, again, this is, this is very lucrative because these guys, these guys,

these guys can make a lot of money. I know a bunch of dudes that, you know, back when it was Iraq and Blackwater and stuff, they were making, you know, six figures very easily. And six figures 15 years ago in Iraq is a lot of money. It's different than six figures nowadays, you know. And the nice thing with the PMCs is that they actually are quite, they tighten their ranks quite effectively, not to, again, cite back to the French Foreign Legion,

but one problem the French Foreign Legion had when they were operating in West Africa is they would recruit a lot of guys that were also. from West Africa. So what happened is they would join the French foreign legion and get deployed back to their home countries and they would just go and settle scores the entire time while they were there. And they were like, well, we have impunity because we have the FFL backing us. So the nice thing about PMCs is the ranks are super tight and they like only hire special forces, guys like these.

So it actually lets these countries that would be hiring PMCs to be rest assured that these guys aren't going to act up and like start settling scores left and right. Yeah. And that happens in Africa. Like their militaries, they like deploy their native, their domestic military. and the guy just abandoned the mission. He instantly start burning villages down and stuff. Go get the guys that have pissed me off

for the past 50 years or whatever. But I do think that it's something that you will see in the future. Oh, yeah. Yeah, no, we're heading into it. And it's a really exciting time. If you're a young guy, you're looking for adventure and you have that fighting spirit. I mean, there's an argument we made

that the U.S. military can't offer that for you anymore. So if there's like a private enterprise solution for that where you can still get that experience in life, make some good money and then actually have like missions and stories that are like cool. Yeah, and you could do that. I don't know, I mean, I'm not sure what kind of training they offer because most of the time they pick up dudes that have already been trained. Yeah, so you got a question, though, you know, you ever notice that you'll see like a couple walking down the street and they dress like each other?

Do you know about this? It's like a known phenomenon way. And it kind of makes sense, right? If you're a guy who dresses like some like, I don't know, long-haired freaky person and with maybe wearing like some kind of weird orange jacket or something and you sound goofy. when you talk. Has a crazy person with him. And then when he's dating someone, he has someone who looks just like he does.

But no, I mean, it's in all seriousness. And it's that people adopt an identity, a style from their culture, from where they come from, things that make sense. There is a largely American identity, an American culture.

The reason I bring this up is, you know, my wife and I are very, very, very similar. We grew up in almost the same place. We were both lapsed Catholic. We like the same music. It's probably why we got married. It's like we get along on all these things. We want the same things.

We view the world very similarly. For these young guys now, the issue is they've not grown up with anybody. They don't have an external community where they build identity. They're watching weirdos on the internet who dress like anime wife's or something. So when they go and meet a woman in person, they're just, it's a repulsive force. They don't see the world the same way. They don't dress the same way. They don't find each other attractive.

How are young guys going to come? accomplish anything if they're growing up this way. They're deracinated. Yeah, that's like the perfect deployment of the word. Because it's true, it's like, how do you get these guys who are fundamentally speaking? We were talking about the other day with music, how what Zoomers, men and women listen to completely different music. There's not any artists that cross over, have crossover appeal for both sexes because

Zumer men and Zumer women live in two completely different paradigms. You'll see this, you'll see this phenomenon actually play out on Instagram is every once in a while, I will get a real that's like clearly targeted towards women. And then you'll see the comments and then it'll be like a male in there. He's like, guys, I'm deep behind enemy lines. Like, I don't know what they're wrong. And it's true. It's like it really illustrates to the point is like we have a very tough time relating to the other sex

because it's just two completely different worlds. And at this part, I mean, you're seeing in South Korea the divergence politically. I think that's where we're heading towards is where men and women, not only do they not speak the same language. They don't really have any cultural touch points to share, but they legitimately do not view the world the same way fundamentally. I don't know how you make a marriage work in that instance. Well, I mean, Roll, can talk to this.

the damage that feminism has done to society just overall, you know? Well, I mean, there's been like a separation between men and women for a long time. It's like the boys on one side of the playground, the girls on the other side of the playground. And we're just seeing that play out in different factions right now or different contexts, I guess. So whether it's music or it's political affiliation, I mean, you guys have talked about this, I don't know how many times it's the divide between men and women politically right now. And I think her name was Helen Andrews. Helen Andrews.

Yeah, I'm sure you probably, yeah. So you probably already have heard her, was it a TED talk or something like that. She was talking about how pretty much everything that we consider woke today is really part of the female psyche. So when women organize society, it's more in the round, it's more egalitarian. It's more because of the way as human beings in hunter-gatherer tribes, women were the berry pickers and the gatherers and men were the hunters and they would go out. So when women organized societies, it's in, it's in a more egalitarian, communitarian way because there's strength of numbers. They're the vulnerable sex.

They are nurturing children. They're incubating babies. That's why women have that value. Men organize societies in hierarchies. So there's the, you know, the admiral at the top and the general and all the down, chain of command all the way down to the private, right? Or if we're in, we're talking about workplace, there's the CEO, the CFO, and on down to the janitor, right?

So when men organize societies, it's based on hierarchies. And so like for men, our hierarchies today are built around what, what you're, what you perform, like what are your achievements? What makes you respectable? And like when I, I mean, I've been reading a lot of these stories lately about how we're going to teach these boys how to be respectful to women, right? Well, there's two different forms of respect. There's a hierarchical respect, which is what do you do that makes you respectable on that

hierarchy, which is the way that men organize societies. And then there's everyone is deserving of respect and you get some respect and you get some respect and you get some respect. Which is the participation trophy, you know, a version of respect where everybody sort of has this common thing. And that's more the female way of doing it. And so when people say, we're going to teach boys to respect women and it's like the boys are there going, what makes them respectable? Because that's their frame of reference. Yeah. Yeah. A natural frame of reference. So when we're talking about the divide about, you know, men and women coming together and having some things. things in common right now. I think one of the reasons why we're so separated in the sexes right now

is because we fundamentally don't know how to organize like our own disseparate tribes right now. That's why you see more women gravitating towards liberal, wokesy, you know, side of the political spectrum, and you see way more men coming over, and I don't think it's ever been as, as the contrast has never been as stark as it is right now. So, repeal the 19th? Oh, God. I hate that question because it's like it's redundant to me at this point. I don't want to.

I don't either because I don't think it's tenable. And I really, I hate when people, don't you think we should do that? If we just repealed the 19th, we took women's rights away. Everything would be would change. I'm like, okay,

first of all, how are you going to do that? That's what, like it's like, we're going to have a revolution in anarchy. Okay, what's your plan of restructuring society after that? Right.

Like, if you want to go out and like fuck things up, okay, good, go do that. But what happens afterwards? What's your plan after that? I think it would be better. My pitch is a very simple solution.

And actually, I was interviewing with Vivek Ramoswami, and this is where the idea came from. It might be his idea. Require everybody to apply for selective service, and then you receive a voter ID. It's not a guarantee of solving the problem. But it's a large inhibitor, because you go to Times Square,

and you'll see some, like, random, just like urban street guy, maybe he's got a fanny pack with some dollar bills in it. And you'll be like, you want to vote? Yeah, sure. And you'll be like, just sign it for the draft. They'll go, nah. And he's out.

Yeah. Well, I mean, and that's... Every conservative would be like, yes. Yeah, exactly. Well, that's because to the point, like, right-wing thought is inherently hierarchical. To your point, yeah, it was Helen Andrews, the great feminization and compact magazine. Like, everyone has to read that if you want to fundamentally understand why things are getting very gay. It's very true.

But right-wing thought is inherently, yeah, it's inherently hierarchical. But something really interesting you see with sort of the female-coded, um, sort of the female-coded, sort of ideology is that they simultaneously seek egalitarianism for egalitarianism's sake, but they also have a massive outgroup preference. So what that looks like in practice is total egalitarianism, which is what they're pushing towards in the United States, in combination with mass migration. So you basically create these massive social programs,

this is all across the West, massive social programs, but you also flood the country with people from like foreigners so then they can take advantage of those programs that were intended to sort of level out society. And it's, I mean, it's demonic. I mean, because hierarchy, like, you know, the hierarchy truly understood, right-wing thought truly understood. The reason we have a hierarchy is we believe it was ordained by a divine.

We believe it was ordained by a God. Because otherwise, who set up that hierarchy? It has to be someone that had to be some thing to set this in order. And, yeah, that's why you're seeing things. That's why you're seeing the men gravitate towards right-wing thought. The women gravitate towards left-wing thought is because, like, Rolo talked about is it's just the psyche. When we're looking at, like, you know, natural, like, sexual dimorphism, like, when men are, you know, men bear a great. a risk going out and doing the hunting, going out and doing the fighting, going out and

protecting the tribe. I'm going to do something I've only ever done one of the time. I'm going to take a phone call right now. Oh, boy. And I'll be back in a few minutes because there's like a scoop. And we may want to have it on this show. Okay. And it has to do with something going on at Amfest.

Let's go. And so I'm like. Can you give us a hand? Maybe. I was actually thinking just pressing call and going for it, but I don't know what it is just yet. And I don't know if they want to actually come out and say it. So I'm going to go take this quick call.

Give me a minute. Sure. Sure. But to roll it, can you expand on that some more so that way people kind of understand? Because I think a lot of times people think that, you know, there's a lot of edgy young guys. And so that's what kind of like repeal the 19th is, right? It's edgy young guys kind of making jokes and stuff. But I think that these topics are actually, I mean, and again, you'll clarify, but it's something that's very deep in who we are.

You know, you're talking about the hunter-gatherer versus the hunting versus gathering and and taking care of the tribes. Why don't you expand on that? Well, you know, I tell you what's funny is, as I've heard this repeated by people recently who I have probably been listening to my show for a while. But whenever I talk about this, it's usually talking about how responsibility without authority is slavery, right? What we don't do is we don't talk about the reverse of that, which is, you know, 100% authority without any responsibility is tyranny. Yeah. So when you look at those two things, that's the definition of, you know, slavery versus tyranny.

tyranny. And then I wrote about this in a couple of essays on my substack, by the way, where I have sort of defined what the difference is between gynocentrism and androcentrism versus matriarchy and patriarchy, right? So right now, you hear everybody talking about how everything is gynocentric right now where everything is, it's based on a female correct way of interpreting the human experience, right? Whether that's political, whether that's pop culture, whether that's religion, whether it doesn't matter what the context is. It's just the correct way to experience life is to experience it as a woman. And for men to do anything masculine at this point, and I mean this in the terms of conventionally masculine. I don't use the term traditional

masculinity very often because lots of people have different traditions, right? But from a conventionally masculine perspective, if you look at patriarchy, patriarchy is a far more balanced way of organizing society than gynecentrism or androcentrism for that matter. Because what gyno-centrism is and androcentrism is, is there are forms of tyranny, meaning that in androcentrism, let's say, for example, men have all the authority and zero percent responsibility. And that's like in the handmaiden's tail, you know, like Gilead, where it's all the women are just forced into, you know, pregnancies and stuff like that. And then we have gynecentrism, which is the reverse of that. And then you've got patriarchy, which puts power and authority in men's hands, but they still have responsibility to their families and their families and their...

their wives and their kids. And, but they are, they are given the authority to affect those responsibilities. And that's where I think a lot of like, like traditional conservative thought really kind of fails right now. Because until they can acknowledge the fact that if you want men to be more responsible and, you know, man up and take, you know, bootstraps, bootstraps, bootstraps, you know, you want them to, to be more responsible, you're not going to solve the world's problems or solve the, the gender issues with just adding more and more responsibility on there and not giving these guys

the authority to affect that responsibility in the first place. Until traditional conservatives can accept that, then we're just going to keep having this conversation over and over and over again. All right. Where are we at? So that was fresh. Oh, my God. And he's like, this is crazy.

Let me tell you what happened. And he was like, I want to, he's like, maybe we could do a video or something. And I was like, do you want me just hold the phone to the microphone? You can explain what went down? and then he was like, man, let me send you a video and then play the video. So he's recording something right now. And he told me a little bit so far. But what he told me so far was that he was a VIP pass.

He was a guest. Really? Yeah. He's on Rumble. And he said he walked out and went to the Rumble area or whatever and was just chilling. He didn't do anything. He was there for like 10 minutes when six cops showed up and surrounded him and said, you have to leave.

And he was like, holy crap. So then he said, I was like, oh, hold on, hold on. I was like, do you want me just hold the phone up? And he was like, let me send you a video. So if he sends us a video and I don't know if it's going to sound good or not, but, you know, that's where we're at. All right. My money.

I'm like, it's our last show of the year. I was like, I don't know what I'm going to do. So maybe we'll just do it live. My money is on. His buddy smelled like pot. But they were like, what? I didn't smell it. What are you talking about?

My money is on somebody was like, Myron Gaines is an anti-Semite who posts. Happy merchants and stuff. Don't let them come in. And when Fresh showed up, they're like, that's one of the guys. Get him out of here. And they also barred Myron from getting in. And then I think Rumble probably was like, no. And I think someone probably higher up a turning point was like, guys, what are you doing?

This is going to be a disaster for us. Let him back in. But I don't know for sure yet. Let me tell you, on Twitter, man, they were Johnny on the spot with us too. Because as soon as they saw Myron waiting by this escalator, like waiting to get in, like they were denying him entry to. to TPSA. And so I text Meyer and I said, well, dude, they're saying that you can't get in.

Like, what's going on? He's like, no, no, they're going to let us in. But then I go back to Twitter and they're like, they kicked him out and they won't let them in and like just jump to all these really quick conclusions as fast as they possibly could. And then like for fresh, it was like, oh, it's because you hang out with Myron and Myers and anti-Semite. I bet that's it's association.

Well, I'm telling you next year, Amfest is going to be guys in suits saying Christian, it's going to be CPAC. Yeah. Will James O'Keefe have another big party next? year perhaps but my eyes had this before i'll say it again i told charlie this last year bro you have created the next south by southwest yeah daily wire a cigar party james o'keefe had a party we were talking about you know what's really really sad we were discussing having a timcast party in phoenix arizona for the end of the year because for the past three years our last show of the

year was on stage with this massive audience ian falls off the stage the first year it was crazy and not anymore not anymore not anymore So what would have been more and more pop-ups surrounding the event and creating this massive festival, I think is likely just going to start shrinking and kicking people out. And then it will just be CPEC. Do you go to CPEC? I don't. I have a question. So are they still, I don't know if they're still doing this, but TPSA, I think they did this last year, they have the Women's Ministry Day where it's just nothing but the girls talking. Are they doing that at this one?

Because at the last one, they had an all array on there. I'm just wondering. who the reform porn star is going to be as a guest speaker for this one. I guess there's only so, you can only be so cool if you're not into the arts. Without the arts, it's hard to actually be cool. It's a very, it seems like it's a very political spectacle. Well, I mean, again, like the, it will be such a loss if this turns into the right trying to exclude people because they, you know, don't like an opinion that they have. That's exactly what crushed the left.

That's why people hate the left now. You know, that's why the Democrat Party has such a low approval rating. They took people that were considered cool, like Joe Rogan, and because he was, you know, just a normal guy that was completely comfortable voting Democrat. And they ran him out. And then they say, well, why don't we have any guys? Well, it's because you got rid of them all. You know, and, you know, to the point that you were making,

the amount of influence by the feminist kind of, kind of. you know, the feminist intersectionals in the Democrat Party by trying to make sure that everybody is that nobody steps on anyone's toes, that nobody says anything that someone else doesn't like, they've managed to run out basically all of the young men. They've been telling young men, you're evil, you're the problem in America. And there isn't anybody that's actually hitting the brakes in the Democrat party. Maybe there are people that are considered Democrats or what have you, or Democrat mouthpieces in the in the, uh,

commenter space, but nobody in political office. I was going to say you would, I would think that the people of the TPP USA would be welcoming Myron Gaines with open arms there because what was it? Camilla Harris in her, her latest book or her biography or whatever it was on the, on the election mentions by name. The reason why she lost the election was Andrew Tate and Myron Gaines. Yeah. But why by names?

But, well, okay, so when Mike was your, my partner, Mike Sartan on Access Vegas, he was saying the same thing. He said this was the, this was the election of the, of the podcasters. This was the election. The reason why the left hates the red pill so much is because it convinces black voters to vote for Trump. That's why. And sure is shit, that's what happened with, with a camel. She even admits it in the book. So I think that's pretty much proof positive right there.

But it was, it was speaking to a demographic of, of, of young men who otherwise felt unheard. and that's where they would gravitate towards. I mean, I can remember as far back as 2016 when people in the church were coming and saying, where are all the men in the church? Well, they're in the Manosphere. They're here. They're right here. They're talking to me.

They're talking to, you know, everyone else in the Manosphere at this point. Joe Rogan wasn't even a factor back then. And the fact that they would even use Joe Rogan or, you know, Theo Vaughn or Jordan Peterson as sort of examples of like guys who were like sort of in the Manosphere who would, like, if I'm going on, you know, Rogan, Rogan, openly hates the Red Pill, openly hates the Manusphere.

Even Jordan Peterson, you know, despises the Manosphere. But they're using them because they're just the most obvious, you know, household names that they can find. But there's a lot more people out there than just... I mean, if you think the Red Pill begins and ends with Andrew Tate, I got news for you. Yeah. So, apparently there's something crazy happening. And I don't know exactly just why. but one of the

He said he wasn't a shooting No no no no Some people are claiming it's because he's black Which is silly This is absolutely ridiculous However It may have something to do with Defending Candace Owens

That's the rumor that's going around I don't know for sure it's not confirmed She's been on a show a few times But I was saying I think it's You know I don't know if I would argue My first assumption is that it's related to Candice I assume it's that they want to excise that segment of the right.

Yeah. That has been embracing this. I mean, Nick Fuentes, getting called up by Ben Shapiro, Candice. Then why invite them as VIPs? I think it's a big organization. Just to kick about? No, no, they didn't know. They didn't know.

Oh, bureaucracy. You know, we've had instances, we've done shows, and then someone shows up, and one guy working the door doesn't know this guy's not allowed in or something, and it happens. And then they had to walk it back because it was making them look really bad.

I think Amfest is, like I already said this. I think it's going to turn into CPAC. I don't go to CPAC. I don't care about CPAC. It's meaningless to me. Amfest was crazy. It was fun. Yeah.

You know, so. Actually, the quartering is in the, in the chat right now saying he literally just talked to him. He's totally fine. Like, we talked at Amfest at 3 p.m. He's totally fine. He was not banned. We talked that Amfest Thursday and Friday. Which, I mean, that lines up with kind of the story.

You know, he was let back in. I don't know if he told. There is. the question is why was he initially removed and there's no real reason just yet there's some rumors circulating obviously one because his black is stupid that's got made up joke I guess because come on

that came out someone from being black but some people are speculating that it's his involvement with Candace Owens and his support of her or something like that yeah I mean that to me makes the most sense I think it's because the Fresh and Fit podcast who was it there was um

they got called out because every time someone mentioned something Jewish they play a cartridge noise. That's probably why. Yeah. You know? But they gave them VIP tickets. Come on. The VIPs, who's doing this? The big organization with a lot of people, bro.

Yeah, and VIP tickets might be because of the the Rumble affiliation. Yep. You know, there's something that's true. You know, someone at Rumble's like, hey, make sure these guys get in. Someone's like, oh yeah, fine. Yeah, yeah. Give them VIP. Rumble gets a blanket of passes to hand out and then.

You know, and I mean, that's just speculation. Yeah, but they call the police, the actual police. Yeah. It's not like the security that's on on on that's really extreme. That's why I thought pot. But even that you wouldn't call six cops. Florida Fresno smoked pot. I don't know. He was there with a couple dudes. What do that dress? That means he smokes pot. Yeah. I mean, maybe he doesn't mind. Oh, sorry. You were saying. No, I mean, I just I I I think it's I think it's a problem for the right. You know, the, the, the Republicans are in a, a, or at least the right is in a position. to have, you know, significant influence on the culture and not just on the culture, but also on policy.

And if you can't settle these kind of disagreements without starting to excommunicate people and saying you're not allowed here, you're going to turn a bunch of voters off, right? If there's a guy, young guys out there that are like, oh, I like Andrew Tate or I like Nick Fuentes, they make me laugh. I don't agree with all this stuff they say, but it's funny and I like them. And then they hear that these people are not welcome. they're going to say, well, that means that I'm not. But just name for me one conservative that speaks masculinity to young men.

Nobody. Conservative. George Santos. Who does turning point in the Republican Party have that is inspiring young men to be stronger, faster, better? Who? Nobody. I'm drawn a blank. I want to say Nick Freitas, but he's associated.

Bobby Kennedy. I don't necessarily agree with him. But I think he would be. one that they would get as to like the poster boy for something. Freedom is great. It's a louder megaphone. You've got Andrew Tate. He's telling young men, be strong, be powerful, take shit over.

You're the boss. Make money, get girls. I'm not that guy. And these young guys are like, I want to be powerful, successful. I want to be a fighter. These are the things that men are driven to want. And the right offers up nobody. Well, I think Donald Trump exemplifies those things without saying it explicitly.

And that's why people are drawn to Donald Trump. No, come on. He's morbidly obese. Because it's like it's more than just aesthetics. No, that's not fair. He did lose a lot of weight. But he's an overweight guy who doesn't exercise because he thinks he's a bat, his body's a battery. Yeah.

That you burn energy off. You have fun of energy. But people view these things beyond aesthetics. They view things as like actually accumulating power, accumulating wealth, accumulating influence. And Donald Trump is, that's why he's so popular with young men. That's why he was like. He gets some of that for sure. I can tell you exactly why the, like, conservatism has a problem.

with really getting to that appeal, having that, having that spokesperson that is not an Andrew Tate. It's because you end up at the same place that feminism comes around. And I get this all the time because people want to tell me that the red pill is just the flip side of feminism. It's just feminism for men. I'm like, no, actually, that's traditional conservatism because it winds up in the same place. It is man up, get a job, get out of your, you know, everything that Andrew Tate says, I could go do all this great. stuff, but then take it all, go get married, have kids, and do whatever your wife says. And if you look at the guys who are sort of emblematic of like the stand-up guy, the traditional

conservative husband and, you know, father, which, you know, Charlie Kirk ostensibly was at that time, he's still serving a female end in at the end of all of that. So the purpose of becoming a better guy is not to intrinsically do it for yourself, to. You know, to. be, you know, to build yourself up to be a better man just because that's what you want to be. It's be a better man because women really need better men. So please, we need to solve women's problems by you becoming a better man, right? Which is exactly the same result or the same end point that you end up with when it comes to feminism, which is do all this stuff. We still want men to, we want men to man down, but we want them to man up when we need them to man up

because it's all for our own benefit. So when the red pill comes in and we, we, we want men to man down, And we kind of exist in this kind of like in between. It's really weird in between area between those two. People think that we're, we're intrinsically misogynist or whatever. All we're doing is we're just offering information and education so that you can protect yourself and make better decisions for yourself to say, this is what I want.

This is not what I want. It's not about trying to be an ideology or a philosophy or or a cult or religion or a set of practices or anything all fundamentally at its core the red pill is just about educating people and and putting that that data out there. The problem that everybody has is that when you give people facts, you have to tell them how to feel about it. You can't give them facts without telling them how to feel about it because if you don't, they will hate you for that or they will infer that the reason you're telling me these data and these facts right now is because you want me to believe a certain thing. Or are you on my

are you on my team or are you on their team? And that's really what they're trying to suss out the whole time when you're just throwing out facts and figures right there and allowing them to make their own decisions based on what those are what works best for you tate and i were talking about this a little bit today like the at the end of the day even people on the right that think that they they analyze things and they make the decision that's best based on thought and logic and and reason and stuff you're still as a human being you're still making an an emotional decision right this is because it's what you think will provide you with the best emotional outcomes.

Everybody has, everybody has game, okay? Everyone has game. How effective that game is, is really what is, what, well, a lot of people,

you go and you ask a 10 year old kid, like, you know, how do you go and get a girlfriend, Johnny, that kid probably has a pretty well thought out way to go. You'd be your friend and you do this, you do that. He probably figured how effective that is as different. Now, if you take that and you extrapolate that into like ideology and you,

at religion or political stripe or what are you going to do for a living, that kind, It really comes down to what are best practices. So when people come at me and they say, well, you know, Rollo, it's all these, these black pill doomers. It's migtao, you know, men going their own way, or it's the white pill. It's the black pill. It's this pill.

That's that pill. Those are practices. Those are people who've taken that data and go, you know what? Given the information I have right now, the best thing to do is just not play the game. The juice isn't worth the squeeze. And that's a practice. Yeah. That's not the red pill.

You've just taken the data from the red pill to extrapolate from that what you think you ought to do. That's why you got looksmax. It's like, what, clav, clavicular right now. It just goes to the nth degree to make himself look like, you know, like crate. A mannequin? Manikin, yeah. And, but that's what he thinks is the best practice. Oh, he's wrong. But I'm sure about that. I watch where he is. I'm not a fan, but I, yeah, I understand how he gets there. I don't, I don't think young, a lot of young Gen Z guys have any game. Oh, no, no, no. But they think they do. But the thing is, is it, how effective is that game. They'll throw it out there, get rejected, and then they'll have to go back and rethink it again. It's clavicular. He's kind of the natural conclusion of the black pill in which

you just sort of accept that everything, he's the logical extreme. Yeah, right. Yeah. It's just like he realizes that everything is reduced down to aesthetics, really, that's the presupposition he accepts. And so therefore, if you look max, if you maximize your looks and you'll achieve whatever you want in life, because that's just applying a reading to women or to life in general, that again, everything just reduces down to like mathematical form. I just see clavicular, it's like, I can just sort of see the chubby kid underneath the mask. You know, I could just go, because his, it's, his, his, his, his, his, his, his, his, his, his, his, his, his look is not congruent with how he's, his, his game, I guess, for lack of better term, by how he projects his personality. He's kind of like the fat kid who lost a lot of weight and still thinks he's a fat kid, you know.

Yeah. And he hasn't quite come to the grips with the fact that he's not. Yeah. And so he's still operating for like his social skills are still operating from the. perspective of I'm a fat kid and these girls are going to reject me anyways but they're not they're actually giving him the time of day and he doesn't know what to do about it I was thinking about the normally 30 40 years ago before the internet someone's black pill they're kind of like and they complain a lot they just don't have friends and then they get isolated people don't want to be around them and then they go away maybe you never see him again but now with internet video they can make videos and get a following yeah microcult spread the nihilism it's fucking crazy that that apathetic sloth-like sin of a state of mind could possibly infect other people through this technology

is crazy that's so dangerous too it needs to be addressed like on the on the because like free speech I can't tell you to stop and when you're if you're getting money for doing it because all it takes is ad revenue based on how many people also want to die I'm going to say this right now is I I agree with you 100% I also think that a lot of the a lot of the a lot of lot of the stereotypes and a lot of the, you know, the caricatures of these guys ends up getting overblown or the things that are sort of attributed to the red pill are overblown because we have so many damn bots these days. We have so much, you know, like the best thing, I was just going to say, is the best thing that Elon Musk ever did with Twitter is give you the ability

to figure out the country of origin of that, of that profile. And banning bots. Oh my God. Yeah, I'm banning bots too, but going to those bot farms in Pakistan, in India, in Nigeria, South and East Asia is one of them as well. And there are so many of these, their engagement farms is what they're doing. It's because, you know, you can get paid on Twitter for, you know, for your engagement and stuff. So what do they do? They go and they just find the most aggravating most adjut prop questions that they can find. And usually those are the ones like, can you believe this woman did this?

Can you look, do you think this woman would last 10 seconds in this country or something like that? So it's like nihilism bots have been unleashed on? More or less. Yeah. That's what gets engagement. Dang. I'm an idiot. Don't surprise me.

Tim's getting a little formatting set up there. My phone was pressing on the keyboard and I'm like, why aren't the buttons? I'm like, what's happening? So you think the nihilism bots are contributing to the Black Hill vibe? Okay. So I think that the incentive for them is just basically money, right? I mean, what's going to get the most eyes on the screen? What's going to cause the most indignation?

It's going to be open-ended questions, and it's usually going to be like something that reinforces a pre-existing belief, and particularly about women. And so, go ahead. No, I'm going to change subjects. You're good? I want to jump to this clip. We got this from Turning Point.

Tim Cass News posted, of course. Steve Bannon unloads on Ben Shapiro. A Ben Shapiro calling him a lifelong never-trumper. Now, Benji Shapiro sat up here last night, and he was all, you know, I'm going to, you know, it's all about the truth. Ben, I've known you a long time, brother. You can't handle the truth.

Let's face it, Ben, Ben Shapiro is the farthest thing from MAGA. Let's be blunt. Wow. And they're, he is a hardcore never-trumper. He's a hardcore never-trumper. In, in the spring of 16, he tried to up in Breitbart. He walked off the job, made a big deal about some incident in Mar-Marx. Lago with Cory Lewandowski.

He tried to turn it to Ted Cruz from Donald Trump because he hated Donald Trump. In the general election, he barely supported Donald Trump. The first sign of when President Trump gets sent back to Marlago, the very first individual that jumped on the Ron DeSantis train, the Israel first train, was Ben Shapiro. And those are the darkest days we had. And 21 and 22, you guys were there. He's consistently been against Trump. And now the President Trump doesn't back the greater Israel project.

What is greater Israel? It's not about Israel itself. It's about an expansionist Israel and imperial Israel that Netanyahu and that crowd have thought up. And the Israel first crowd is Ben Shapiro, Tel Aviv, Mark Levin, and many others that want to put that ahead of America's interests. I mean, it's like a primary. It feels like a public and primary energy. Yeah, they're fighting for who's in control. Yeah.

And it's Israel. No, no, I mean, the argument they're making is pro-and-I-Israel. I don't care at all about Israel. It's the new conservative wedge. Bro, if I'm going to sit down, have a debate with someone, and they're like, let's discuss Israel. I'm going to say, I don't care. Like right now there's this plan.

We didn't get into the story about how they want to turn Gaza. What was this tweet? Yeah, I saw that. Into a high-tech, you know, Mar-A-Gaza or whatever. And in that, context, I have no problem talking about it to news like everything else. But if they're just having this literal debate about the merits of Israel, I'm just like, this is boring me.

I would much rather, I would much rather Ian explain to me his latest bread recipe. That intrigues me. Sourdough. Do you have a starter? Not yet. See, that's the question. A mother dough. I want to use it, yeah.

A mother dough. You know, you need a mother load. Like, would you make a new mother dough and then pass it down to, like, you keep it in the cover. It's infinitely more interesting than debating Israel. I knew a girl. It's a fourth generation mother dough. So her great grandmother put it together.

For real? Yep, and this is intensely more fascinating than an Israel debate. I can go into my friends already involved. The point is this. I don't mind having a debate over the interest, like the, I don't mind discussing Israel's interests, lobbying and all those things. It's just that it's every fucking second for these people. Yeah, you turn this on and he was like, the thing is something about, he doesn't like Trump.

He likes them less than him. Trump. He does like Trump. He doesn't like Trump. And I'm like, it's like a video game in my representative. of a thousand games that is real annoying that I don't want to play right now talking about Trump Trump Trump Trump I know U.S. President politics it's a big part of the world but dear God it is not the way to solve the problem this is like damage control I completely agree he's not getting up on

stage and saying tax policy has gone crazy border security Venezuela he's saying Ben Shapiro I don't like and I'm looking at this like Ben Shapiro comes out and says Candace Owens Tucker banon they're all bad Did he call it Megan Kelly too? I think he did, right? I don't know. I didn't see him. And then they come out and they make fun of him, and I'm like, is this what? Listen, there's a lot of people at Turning Point that are like, I got no beef with Ben or

Bannon. Jack is a good dude. He's a great friend. So I got no beef with the people at Turning Point. But, guys, there's literally no organization here. You know what they would do? There was no one going, guys, whatever you do, we do not want you to go up on stage and just rag on each other.

Send a positive message on what you believe and leave the drama outside because it's not what turning points about. No. Instead, it's like, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, you guys. Yeah. This is what they should do. They want me, like, listen, okay, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, but no. They first don't invite us, and then I say they're not inviting us.

Then they try to invite us, but you really want me to sit there just listening to Bannon, Raggon, Ben, Reagan, Bannon, Tucker, then go, he's so pompous. Guys, with respect to each and every one of it, because I got no beef, I literally don't care. Why would I want to go and stand in an audience and listen to a speech by Bannan? about Ben Shapiro. I don't care. It's just absolutely insane. You know what my view of the infighting is?

Boring. What I want to see is Ben Shapiro on stage tomorrow, getting it to getting on, and then all of a sudden the mic drops, the fucking fireworks go off and Bannon walks on stage like it is WWE. And everyone's like, he's going to do the strut.

Yeah, he's a theme song. They've had pre-planned debate for them. They've had pre-planned that they're going to do the debate. But wait, but wait. Then as as Ben starts going like this and band's walking up you see tucker jump out with a chair's boom yeah we need this we need to reintegrate the pace you know make it okay i would totally come for that right i would do that it's actually

like it's funny you guys compare all this like like professional wrestling because it's like a lot of times when i see this kind of infighting happening now this happens in the sphere all the time it happens politically whatever the niche happens to be but these guys i'm meant to ask you this to him is do you think that these guys are doing this and they're agitating like this all the Like you could tell them, hey, guys, go up there, be nice. Have it, you know, we need to form unity. There's no boss. There's no boss, right?

But do you think that even if they did that, would they still do it? Because those guys are there to appeal to their audience. To appeal to the people who are out there because if you don't go up on there and you don't talk shit about Ben Shapiro, your audience is going to make you pay for. How he didn't say, he had this golden opportunity to run for Shapiro under the ground. If Charlie was still alive, this would not happen. Oh, yeah, that wouldn't happen then. He'd say, guys, please don't go on my stand. and have a drama fest.

We are talking about the future of this country. There's no one doing that. So why are they allowing this stupidity? And I don't agree with the audience thing. I do understand what you're saying. And it is true to a certain extent. But if anyone up there and said, with all due respect to Ben Shapiro,

I don't, if all he did was say, guys, I want to talk to you about the future of this country, the midterm elections, but I will address what Ben Shapiro said. If he simply said, I don't appreciate the stage drama at an event like this. We're talking about the future of this country and a member of Charlie Kirk.

It shouldn't be this way. Ben, please, let's keep it respectful. Moving on, people have been like, right, then they would have been like, our guys better. Then he made the hit, though. But then he had at least addressed the gorilla in the... Exactly. While saying, let's not stupid that level

and not actually insulting Ben, just saying, let's keep it civil and try and focus on what we can win together. Instead, this is turning into just more partisan bickering where the right is now two different factions. You know, Jank Yugar talks about, he's like, can we just come together with some Republicans on the issues

we want to get done and get him done? because if the left and the right agree that health care is too expensive, can we just forget everything else, forget the trans kid stuff, the tax policy, whatever. Let's just look at the health care thing, right? Let's look at the roads. Let's look at the border. Whatever it is that we agree on, let's just do,

and then argue later. I like that idea. That's kind of what the mega coalition was. A lot of people disagree on all these things. There's moderate, you know, I don't think abortion should be completely banned to the, we should ban it completely, but we're going to work together because the left is so insane.

Now, you know what I think, it is, as the tide recedes, the scum is exposed. What I mean by that is not to insult anybody who's saying this, but there is no woke beast. The Krakken has been slain. And now, you know, you got a pirate ship and you got Her Majesty's vessel. And they were fighting when a Krakken emerged. And they said, oh, aim your kins at the Krakken.

The Krakken is dead. And have to look at each other and going, fuck you. And they're fighting again. Yep. That's, and I don't, I don't, I don't care. You know what I mean? I don't need to be there. I brought out kaiju.

You bring out crack. Crack. Let's just call it a kaiju. It's very mystical in the show. What is the kaiju by the way? Godzilla. It's a gigantic monster. It's not just Godzilla.

It's Rodan. Gamera. So they're all the types of kaiju. Mothra, right? Mothra. Any gigantic Japanese monster. Mecca Godzilla, bro. Outraman.

Somehow Godzilla got cyborg parts. Oh, yeah. What was the story by mecha Godzilla? I had no idea. Let's make him a robot. That was a long time ago. Yeah, and then you had that show where, what was that show where the guy would, like, turn into a gigantic dude and fight kaiju?

You know what I'm talking about? Yeah. Oh, that's Ultraman. Ultraman. Yeah, yeah, yeah, easy, easy. Ultram. God, now I'm dating myself. Yeah.

All right, everybody, want to go to your Rumble rants and super chats. So smash the live button. Share the show with everyone, you know. Shout out to Poker Go Studios, man. Yeah, this is beautiful. It is an honor and a privilege to be here. I'm a big poker guy. I'm a huge fan.

It's cool. They let us take their poker table for the week. And it means a lot to me. It's really amazing. You guys are the best. And a shout out to all you guys in the crew. Let's grab some Rumble Rants and some super chats. Let's start with.

Uh-oh, it looks like they actually got the Rumble Rants. Disappeared. ROTRoh. Yeah, ROTRoh. Okay, well, Bond says, Tim, how did you like having Graham on the show? We had Graham Allen and Mike Matasso, and it was a really great conversation. That was super fun. Really good, yeah.

Both of those guys are awesome. The quartering, we already, Phil already read this one, but he says he talked to Myron, he's totally fine, he wasn't banned. The point is, to Jeremy, is that Myron hit me up, and said there's more to the story,

he'll have more later, and then I looked up the rumors, and so we'll see, we'll see, we don't know. But it looks like a bunch of the Rumble rants are gone. I can't fathom why that would be. Oh, well. Real busy at Rumble today? Nothing doing, nothing doing.

we'll jump to our super chats for which I think we have a pleathera see that's the problem I can't say pleathera is pleathera too big a word pleathera it's like that V V V Pleathera what I said we got big lots yeah big lots big lots yeah big lots see it in the mirror vocabulary is too too too good of talking bunches and bunches I got to try saying blethroplasty Blethora what's like the when you get your eyes done cosmetic surgery. Just be old.

You know, I hate plastic surgery. We're in Vegas. It's everywhere. Just be old. Splash water in your face throughout the day. You know? I saw a guy who had really bad hair transplants.

But no, actually, it wasn't really bad ones. It looked like he had gotten them a long time ago, but his hair can, your character still falls out. So now he had male pattern baldness with weird hair plant.

And I'm just like, guy, just put on a beanie and just roll with it. You know what I mean? That's all you got to do. That's pragmatism. Do you have you been using the infrared?

No. A hat? Oh, I want to use it. We got from Jonathan Otto. Yeah, the red light thing. You know,

it's kind of funny because I looked it all up and it's all real. It all works. And I was like, oh, it's true. It feels like hippie-dippy bullshit, but I always thought it was BS until I learned of blue light therapy for babies. Yep.

And that, it's real. What is that? So if babies are jaundiced, I think, I'm going to get this wrong about it's like they have too much Biller Rubin in their blood, the blue light, the wavelength of the light itself breaks it down. And so if their livers aren't strong enough to get it out of their system, the blue light breaks

it down, and then their body takes care of the rest. So they literally put a blindfold on the baby and sit it under a blue light for like five hours. And then I'm like, really? Just a blue light. And then I'm like, so the red light stuff is real? And they're like, yes. The doctors told me that. I'm like, what? I looked it up. And I'm like, red lighting your balls does boost testosterone. It actually, the studies say that they found it increased testosterone. And when men started putting red light on their balls. Something new with the sun, I guess. You wake up in the morning.

So many, man. You know what it is? Humans would wake up, crack at dawn, with the red light beaming on them, and they'd be standing proud of their junk right up in there, and it would cook and pump out testosterone. There was that guy that soul brown,

he kept tweeting, like, you need to start sunning your balls. And then one guy, he replied in the back of a police cruise where he's like, don't do this in an apartment complex. All right, what do we got here? Mike says,

Tim, I am creating a new political party called both parties suck party. There's so many third parties that try to do something, you know? Isn't Elon going to do it? Yeah, like every... American party, but now he's funding Republicans.

Guys, what if both parties are the problem? It's like, wow, no way. It's so small. The screen is too far away. Okay, we got... X Radico says, I implore everyone donate to Tim's security, the Irish are after him and his spoons.

It's true. I need all of your money. And Irish. And Irishman. There is an Irishman who has before stolen my spoons. I need your help. Go to Timcast.com and click join us and get to the Discord server. And that will help us make sure the Irishman never takes another spoon again.

We had a, James and I wrote a really great bit for Cass Castle that we never made. And it was that, uh, this is a true story. I was sitting on the couch in the castle. It's called the Great Room when you first walk in. It's like a big room, the kitchen, the living room. And I was watching Lepricon. I don't remember which one. And it was the scene where the guy had gotten bitten by the leprechaun and started turning into one.

So he's at a restaurant and he orders hash browns, French fries, mashed potatoes, baked potato, tater tots, just a plate of potatoes. Which is funny because, just because the Irish starved the death with no potatoes, doesn't mean they love potatoes. But so then Seamus walks in. And he's like, hey, buddy, what are you watching? And then he looks up the screen and he goes, this is the most racist thing I've ever seen. And I started busting out laughing because it's like, it's true.

He's like, I was bitten by our leprechaun and I have to eat potatoes. So we wrote this bit where the bit was going to be that exact scene scenario. And then I tell Seamus, chill out, it's leprechaun. It's not being, your panties in a bunch. And then the next, like the transition scene was, Our receptionist goes, oh, Tim, there's a bunch of people outside. I'm like, who are they? And she goes, the potato people.

I'm like, what? She's like, they're like Irish. Oh, stop. You can't call them the potato people? And then she goes, no, no, they're from the organization potato. And I was like, what? And there's a bunch of Irish protesters outside picketing, holding up signs saying potato, which stands for people organizing together against true oppression.

And they were arguing that the Irish are the true oppressed people and that white privilege oppresses them. We wrote this whole thing out. We never made it. I wish we did. It would have been a lot of fun. Was it Leprechaun three? Were they in Vegas?

I don't remember. A guy gets bit by the leprechaun and starts turning into one. Because apparently that, dude, those movies are amazing. They were like, let's make it like werewolves or vampires. You know, like he gets bit by the lepercon and turns into one. That's how you make more leprechauns. That's how Jennifer Aniston got her. Oh, the movie you're thinking of was Lepercom 4 in space.

Ooh. This is the only... Sounds about right. And you guys laughed at Sharknato. Bro, that was Warwick Davis, right? Legend. Legend. Lepricon in space I could go on is the only film in the franchise

where a human to lepricon transformation happens. Quantum Strange, Cork says, Tim, I understand your situation, but I truly hope this isn't the last IRL praying for you well. Well, the good news is we are working with Rumble, and so the next show will be January 5th. It is going to happen. What we end up working out in that January,

we have basically three weeks to sort out getting this machine churning. Because for security reasons, we're not going to go back to where we just got shot at. And so we need, like, I'll put it simply, my wife and I are like, we're going to go to an undisclosed location.

I can't do Tim Kestairo. Like, we've gotten crazy death threats. We were told by the Fed, some of them seem credible. They didn't say they are, I don't want to lie about it. They said, based on the statements that were made, the threats that were made,

this appears to be credible based on previous actions from certain crazy individuals. So we said, okay, then you get someone circling our property, then they shoot at it. So we're like, okay, we're not going to be retarded and just sit here and wait for someone to kick the door and with an AR instead opening fire on my staff, my guests, or whatever it is. So we're talking to Rumble and we're basically saying like, how do we build something bigger? The good news is this could actually end up being closed door open window and that we build something tremendously massive with Rumble. I think it's very likely to happen. Meaning,

I'll just say like the stuff that we're already working on, times time. Other creators coming in, shows coming together, big studio conventions, there's big ideas here. And the good news is I think Rumble really wanted to do a big, big project that was going to like reshape the space.

And so when this happened, it was kind of like a, well, I guess now you have to come and join us on this grand mission. And as much as I hate Florida, my wife and I were like, we'll do it if we can make this happen. So it may be, you know, God closes the door, he opens a window. Could be good, could be good.

All right. Antipathy says neocons are just trying to take control of the GOP by slandering opposition as anti-Semitic. I don't completely disagree. But there are certainly people who just won't stop screaming about the Jews. And it's annoying. I certainly think it's stupid when these super pro-Israel people are like, if you criticize my country, you hate Jews. Like, no, I have no problem with Jews whatsoever, not at all. Yeah.

As I made the point on the show yesterday is like I was laying out the play from the neocons to sort of dig back up the old play where they would just define anyone to the right of Ted Cruz's all right. As I think as you can see, they're doing the same thing where anyone to the right of Ted Cruz is now at Groyper, which is ironic because Nick Fentis himself hates J.D. Vance. He just wants to also derail the Vance campaign. So you're seeing both the actual Groyper's and indeed the neocons both trying to derail a Vance 2828 campaign. But the neocons are trying to poison the well for Vance by Labor. again everyone to the right of Ted Cruz as a grope for no reason indeed yeah

I tweeted I tweeted out in response to Vivek Ramaswami heritage Americans can become president the arguments don't matter like it's in the Constitution it's true you can argue like how far back you have to go to be heritage American American but there exists something that is different from an American there is an American with the legal standing to be president and there's an American that does not have that so there is a distinction But I like Vivek on a lot of issues, so I'm not trying to, you know, people need to understand.

I criticize one guy and one thing, and people are like, Tim's attacking Tucker, and I'm like, I criticize him, I did. I think Vivek's important. I like a lot of his work, I don't know. Vivek's super important for this movement because he'll say things outside the box. They ruffle the base on purpose. I mean, he just knows how important it is to say certain truths sometimes, even if they are seemingly unpopular at the moment.

All right. Masamune. says, Tim, there's a great mass of youth on YouTube that are actively seeking out contact with maps. I'm not kidding. Please shout out Father Void

for exposing this atrocious behavior as well as the maps who are encouraging it. Don't say map. Just say Pito. But I get the point you're trying to make. That's messed up. I get a lot of videos on Instagram

where it's dudes beating up pedophiles. You know? Really? And I'm like, like. Have you seen the one guy who does the Alleyoop smack or his boy throws the pito in the air? And then the guy smacks in the air. What?

What? Did he really do that? Oh, it's a guy just like, he specializes. My only concern is like sooner or later one of these guys are going to get the wrong dude. Yeah, and there's also like a debate to be had about like half of these guys are clearly just like people with like down syndrome and stuff like that. So there's no, it's like maybe they're just using this excuse to beat like people with disabilities up. Yeah, you're like man. I mean, a pedophile is a pedophile, but it's like, you know, maybe just let the police handle it sometimes.

We couldn't do bump fights. Yeah, yeah. Indeed. You know, if it's pedophiles. All you smack is very keen. It's good. I'm torn because I'm concerned about vigilantism in that there have already been a few stories where they've insinuated that they got the wrong guy.

Like somebody was in a similar area that looked kind of like the person. And they, because from online photos, you're never too sure. It's rough because I don't care because I like these videos. You know what I mean? Like, even if they're stopping petos from praying on kids. Yeah. I don't want to see any extreme violence or anything like that, but Instagram's these videos, but I am concerned about the vigilantism because sooner or later, something bad's

going to happen. Well, not only that, but like there are people on the left that would consider their, their activism, vigilantism. Right, exactly. They'd argue the exact same thing. Like, I love watching a capitalist or a Nazi get punched. And it's like, man, no, no. I mean, it's actually so close to the argument because they say, oh, you know, by them not

affirming my identity, that's actually doing violence to me. So I'm preventing violence, which is just vigilantism. That's actually a really really. good point to describe to people this feeling, say, you know how you feel when you watch like one of those videos where a pedophile gets punched in the face? And everyone's going to be like, yeah, I enjoy those videos. That's how the left feels watching conservatives get punched in the face. I don't like those videos, but personally, I just, I don't know. Because isn't it illegal? Like, it's assault. Even if the guy's in the middle of, I'm not prepping a crime. I mean, if you're a vigilante,

you can't, like, charge the guy. No, if the vigilante punches the pedophile, doesn't he still go to prison for assault? He's a vigilante? because the police haven't gotten involved. So it's like this guy, you just punched it by the police's standards, an innocent person. Yep. Okay. You can't take the law into your own hands. Yeah, don't vigilante, no.

And there's a lot of guys out there that do it like the right way. They literally just, you know, draw all these guys in. They get everything written down, put it in paper, hand it over to the police. I think a big issue with the vigilante guys that just want to beat people up is they never even turn the stuff over to the police. So they literally just smack a guy around and then cut them loose. Yeah. Which all that does is it ensures that the pet falls will be more prudent in the future. Yeah.

Rather than the guys that are, are able to actually put together a case, they can hand it over to the cops, and the cops can put the guy away. Yeah, it also sort of strengthens that stereotype that people want to kill you because you're trans. People are like, I'm afraid just because he's a pedophile. People want to hurt him. That's like, but that's just who I am, man.

I just want to hurt me for being who I am. I'll put it like this. If you're a pedophile and you don't pray upon children, you keep it to yourself, you don't do any weird things online with child abuse content. keep it to yourself, shut up, fine. Like, don't commit crimes. Don't target kids. Don't make any weird art.

Don't do any other garbage. Just keep it, keep it in your mind. Stay away from people. If you're acting upon it, you're going to get your ass kicked. Yeah, I mean, that's, like, by, let's just, let's be very, very polite for the law and for the cameras. By the police when they catch you, and you deserve it.

That's one of the things that the quote unquote maps say is they're like, I'm non-offending, so it's okay. or, you know, if I don't act on it, no, it's okay. You know why that's not okay? Because they're trying to normalize it in the public. Yeah. Shut your mouth, go away, keep it to yourself. You act on it any way.

You go to jail. You get locked up. Because this argument, we can look at the slippery slope argument all across the board. Like, in 2010, when the conservative said, if they legalize gay marriage, they're going to teach sodomy in schools, literally happened. So these map, you know, they try to use that link, that, that semantic. BS to hide what they do. They want to argue they're not offending. What they want to do is they want to build compassion

so that they can try to normalize it. F that. There's a line, man. So anyway. All right. Buffalo Bill says, Tim, we love Israel. America is just an idea, and your boomer audience loves Israel. Okay. Well, I think Buffalo Bill,

maybe you should consider the country you live in. And if you love Israel so much, why don't you go move to Israel? I'm sure they'd welcome you. Buffalo Bill says we stand with Israel. We denounced Tucker and Candace. America is just an idea. See, this is the problem.

It's people like this Buffalo Bill guy who don't actually care about America that feeds and fuels these anti-Sumites. Wasn't he the guy from yesterday that was talking about the gambling money? No, not him. This is the guy yesterday who was saying that he loved Israel and...

Oh, okay. Is he trolling? Because it's two on the nose. Yes. For what I mean? Of course not. He loves Israel. In fact, we love Israel.

We love Israel. He's clocked our tea. He's clocked our tea. Oh, no. It sounds like a bait the way it was phrased by it. We have to read this one, guys. It's the last show of 2025. Haraldo Donn says, per Timcast tradition, I'm with my wife.

Let's go. The hospital in the hospital today, welcoming our twin girls, Cassandra and Isabella. Get to making babies. Twin. Twin. Excellent. Name choices, by the way. I can't wait for the first person that's like, I'm in the hospital with my wife.

We all start clapping. And he's like, yeah, she's getting her stomach pumped. I'm just waiting for someone to have children, twins, fraternal, and tell us that they're naming them Tristan and Azolda. Only Phil gets the reference. I didn't get it. Exactly. Well, you're not well read.

See, these are the problems I have. Because I get these marketing people to be like, Tim, no one knows what Tristan and Azolda is. You can't talk about that. Don't we have Scandinavian so much? No. You can talk about it. I know.

I like saying you're not. I like saying you're not so terrible things. You guys can Google. search Tristan and Azola. You'll have fun. And black sails and white sales. Come on. You guys don't know the story? No. Sounds awesome, though. The guy went to go rescue the chick, and then he's like, if I fly the white sail, it means I rescued her, if not. But then he like, they fell in love. And then the king was

like, oh, what was me? Like, it's like a famous folklore, whatever, dude. Okay. This guy, Ian. I'm starting to believe. You need to read a book. Yeah, yeah. That's why you will never be a privateer. It's not in my blood. I pay the privateer. And I know you know the story of Gellert's Grave, right? This one I'm about my name. Oh my God.

Sorry. No. I know you all know because I've told the story like 800,000 times. You know what? You know what? I've only read the rational. Because it's the last show of the year, I want to do it. So the legend, which I'll probably get wrong, but I'm going to try my best, is in Wales.

And it's a story of a Welsh prince who went about his daily dealings, as he does, leaving his son, his young son, in the care of his truck. dusty hound, Gellert. And as he went about to do his daily tidings of such, you know, errands, maybe a little hunt, he returns home to find that the door is open to his home. And when he enters, panicked, he sees his furniture's flipped about. He sees where his son was in the crib. The crib is flipped over. There's blood everywhere. He then sees his faithful hound, Gellert, walk up to him blood dripping from his mouth. And Prince Waylon, angry that

Gellert, his faithful hunt, betrayed him and slain, slew, his only son, drew his sword and thrust it into the side of Gellert, who then let out a dying whelp and collapsed, the welp of which awoke Wayland's child. He hears

the cry, and he runs over and tosses the crib aside, and he finds his son safe next to the wolf that Gellert had slain to save his child. And they say from that moment on, Prince Whalen never smiled again. Now they say the story is not true.

It's just a story they tell children, the moral being, do not jump to conclusions. Yeah, patience. It's a moral of patience and wrath. But there is a location, I believe it's in Wales, called Gellert's Grave. And don't jump to conclusions. I've always wanted to make a short film about that.

I thought that it was interesting. Maybe I can do with AI. How wrath is, you think of it as anger. It's the sin known for anger, but the opposite of that, the virtue is patience. It's like when you're angry, you know, if you let things settle and just kind of figure out why, maybe you don't have to resort to killing your dog. All right. We got one more chat here, and it's from Nor Busy.

Myron Gaines is one of the biggest reasons Harris is not president. They should be welcoming him at every event. What did I say? Unfortunately, too much Israelis are involved in which Myron exposes. You know, they're in there now. They're chilling. My friends, it has been a tremendous year. There have been ups, there have been downs, there have been shocking moments.

We laughed, we cried, we hugged. Thank you all so much for the memories. Thank you for watching. Christmas is abound, and I hope you have the warmest of winter holidays with your family. I don't mean physically warm. I hope you have great snow if you live in the snowy area. There's jingle bells and all the good stuff. But I mean warm family tidings.

So it really does mean a lot to me to all of you out there who have supported the work that we've done. if you want to give us a going away present, a Christmas present, join us at timcast.com, the Discord server. It is not money that will be used because I'm being threatened by Zionists or the Irish. It is money that is generally just used for the... Potato. For the company. The money is used to pay staff.

The money is used to feed staff and buy equipment. And there's a great community of people on the Discord that are around 24-7 with morning shows, pre-shows, after shows, and they will be there throughout the holidays. several of the people, there have been several people in the discord who've gotten married. In fact, I believe just the other day, they had a child. Yep, we had our first Discord child. Wow. A child of legend.

A child of prophecy. So, but regardless, maybe you don't want to join the community. Your membership just makes all this possible. As we entered the new year with a lot of questions around how we're going to operate, how this project is going to expand. We could use your support. So thank you so much. Follow me on X and Instagram at Timcast.

I will probably still have some videos I'll put up throughout the, the winter break because I'll probably get bored. And there's fun vlogs to be made. But thank you so much. Rola, you want to shout anything out? Yeah, just the six book is out right now.

This is the Rational Mail, Reignite. Six book in the series right now. It just came out. We just published in November, and Audible comes out on Monday, actually. Awesome. So all that's good to go. And I'm actually going into surgery on...

Oh, really? I think a producer, I talked to you about this. The reason I couldn't come out in the summertime was because I had some medical issues that I have to have taken care of. And so I'll be going in on Tuesday. It should be okay.

All right. Well, I hope so. But coming out on the other side of it. And I got a lot of things to do on coming up in the next year. Right on. All right. Well, thanks for hanging out.

Thanks. Mr. Brown. You can follow me on X and Instagram at Realty Brown. And yeah, 2025 has been really good to me. I started here at Timcast end of March. And that's been changed my life.

And it's only been like four or five beatings to get his work in order. It's true. It's been very, it's a very Singaporean style of, but yeah, thank you to Tam and the crew like it's been a great year. Thanks for coming to Vegas, man.

Ian. Yeah, man, thanks, Tate. Everybody, one, thank you again for this year. What a time to be alive. Keep making your best stuff right now. Keep putting it out because having dramatic, resounding responses. Keep going. Keep going.

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Across the Internet. Do your best. Make love. Have a wonderful year. See you later. I am Phil. It remains on Twix. I just want to wish everyone a very Merry Christmas. Happy New Year. And I want to say thank you to Tim Poole for allowing me to be a part of this.

I really enjoy, you know, coming on here every night and giving my opinion. You can check out my band All That Remains at Apple Music, Amazon, Music, Pandora, Spotify, YouTube, and Deezer. We're going on tour next year, starting in May, or actually starting April 29th. The tour is going to be all that remains, Born of Osiris and Dead Eyes. We're going to be out for a few weeks. Don't forget, the left lane is for crime. We will see you all likely January 5th. But stick around.

We'll probably still have clips coming up. Who am I kidding? I'm going to work at some point during the break because I'm going to be bored. So thank you guys so much, and we'll see you all next time. Merry Christmas.