Timcast IRL - U.S. Enters Israel Iran War In Defense Of Israel, Deaths CONFIRMED After Iran Strikes w/ Anthony Cabassa & Aidan Mattis

Episode Date: June 14, 2025

Tim, Phil, & Ian are joined by Anthony Cabassa & Aidan Mattis to discuss Iran launching retaliatory strikes against Israel, Trump admitting the US knew everything about Israel's plan to strike Iran, A...nthony Cabassa warning about chaos during No King's Day protests, and Tucker Carlson slamming Trump over Israel's war with Iran.   Hosts:  Tim @Timcast (everywhere) Phil @PhilThatRemains (X) Ian @IanCrossland (everywhere) Serge @SergeDotCom (everywhere) Guests: Anthony Cabassa @AnthonyCabassa_ (X) Aidan Mattis  ⁨@TheLoreLodge⁩  (everywhere)

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Starting point is 00:00:56 hose message and data rates may apply no purchase required terms apply available at pocket hose.com slash terms The Israel-Iran war is escalating. Both countries are firing at each other. Iran is claiming 78 dead in Israel. There's reports of at least one death with several injured. And the U.S. has now entered the war in defense of Israel, along with other allies, to intercept missile strikes from Iran. Iran is threatening to target U.S. bases in the region, saying that they will be held fully accountable for their assistance in aiding Israel in these strikes. Now, initially,
Starting point is 00:01:42 the U.S. said they didn't know anything about it. Trump has now come out and said, we knew everything. And it's being reported by Israeli news sources that this was a psy-op. The Trump administration was pretending to want to negotiate peace to deceive Iran into thinking a strike would not happen. Iran has now come out and said, we were deceived. So welcome, ladies and gentlemen, to the U.S.'s involvement in the Israel-Iran war, something that I think most of the Trump base did not want. And now MAGA is split. Tucker Carlson is ragging on these neocon personalities and saying Trump is complicit in this. So, oh boy, we had a lot to break down in exactly what's going on. Before we do, my friends, make sure to go to castbrew.com and buy some Cast Brew Coffee
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Starting point is 00:02:53 you and shout out to everybody who is spending their Friday night listening about an escalating war in the Middle East and fears of an escalation to World War III instead of going out and partying, which is the responsible thing to do, I guess. But holy crap, are things getting crazy. Not to mention Marines are actually on the ground right now in L.A. On the ground. So we're going to talk about all of that. Joining us tonight, we've got a couple of guests.
Starting point is 00:03:17 We've got Anthony Cabasa. Hey, thank you so much for having me, Tim. Who are you? What do you do? My name is Anthony Cabasa. I'm an independent journalist out of Los Angeles, California. I have been covering the protests there since last Friday when they began. They began violent, regardless of what Gavin Newsom says. And yeah, just been documenting everything that's been happening there. So thanks for having me. Right on. And this gentleman has returned from the morning. Let's go. Yeah, I was here earlier for Culture War. My name's Aidan
Starting point is 00:03:41 Mattis. I am the host of the Lore Lodge, History Unhinged, and Weird Bible podcast. And I primarily do history stuff on YouTube. Right on. Ian is here. Hey, guys. Ian Crossland up in this. I'm an actor and musician and a producer. Happy to be here. I also have the magnificent Phil Labonte. Hello, everybody. My name is Phil Labonte. I'm the lead singer of the heavy metal band All That Remains. I'm an anti-communist and a counter-revolutionary. Let's get into it. Here's the story from Axios. Iran strikes back at Israel. U.S. helps to intercept missiles.
Starting point is 00:04:11 Axios reporting Iran launched a major counterattack against Israel on Friday, firing around 100 missiles in two barrages. The retaliatory attack began 18 hours after Israel launched a war against Iran, attacking its nuclear facilities and missile sites and killing top military leaders and nuclear scientists. The U.S. is helping to intercept incoming ballistic missiles, according to an Israeli official and a senior U.S. official. So, ladies and gentlemen, the U.S. is now in the war. Now, call it whatever you want. Some might say, I know that the more pro-Israel side is going to say, we are not at war with
Starting point is 00:04:45 Iran. We're simply defending an ally. And I know that the anti-Israel side is going to say outright, we have just started a war with Iran. But I think it is fair to say, settle that aside. What is Iran thinking about this? They are threatening retaliation because the U.S. defending Israel and supplying them with weapons while Israel is bombing them.
Starting point is 00:05:04 As far as they're concerned, we are at war with Iran. We are actively involved in Israel with weapons and we are helping intercept the missile strikes against them. That's how Iran's going to see it. The question is, does this result in Iranian attacks on U.S. assets in the region? Considering what Trump has been saying about we knew and the Iran saying that the U.S. was deceiving them. I think it's very likely. Now, a couple of quick updates. This is massive from Fox News. The Kyria compound, Israel's equivalent to the Pentagon, has been hit. We have this report from from Fox News. Let me see if I can play it. Respondent Trey Yinks has been up all night, is standing by with all the details. Trey, what can you tell us?
Starting point is 00:05:46 Yeah, Laura, following that Israeli attack against Iranian nuclear facilities and top IRGC leadership overnight and into today, the Iranians have responded with three waves of ballistic missiles. This is Israel's version of the Pentagon, the Kiryat. And the building on this compound was just hit. Please go back. Go back, please. Go back, please.
Starting point is 00:06:08 You can understand here. It's very tense at this specific location because the Iranians are now targeting the defense establishment of Israel. Wow. So here we go. We also have this from Fox News, Trey Yinks. An Iranian ballistic missile struck a residential building in the suburbs of Tel Aviv. At least one woman has been killed and 20 others injured. So, so far, all I've seen is one death in Israel. I'm not entirely sure. There is a video, actually, which I'll seek, which shows the rocket strike. It's close up. So I don't know what you guys think. There's a lot to break down on this. Well, I mean, good. Well, I think that Netanyahu, who made a proclamation as to why they launched this attack, was likening this to the Nazi buildup, military buildup and the appeasement that happened before World War Two.
Starting point is 00:06:58 The French and the British, basically Neville Chamberlain, the British prime minister, wanted to appease Hitler because Hitler wanted land, old German land back. He wanted peace of Poland. He wanted part of Czechoslovakia. So the British gave him Czechoslovakia. They gave him the western part of the Sudetenland. And because of that, the Germans kept building up and building up and building up their military until it was too late. So this is a video of an Iranian ballistic missile striking downtown Tel Aviv. And the idea is hypersonic maybe, like the bypassing
Starting point is 00:07:29 the Iron Dome's capabilities, new weaponry. But I think the argument that Netanyahu is making is that he's preempting a military buildup, that if Iran gets a nuclear weapon, they will use it,
Starting point is 00:07:42 they will obliterate Tel Aviv. You think that was big? You know, imagine whatever modern day military warhead and so it's like if we don't stop them and but i mean that's a declaration of total war if that's the case you find that argument compelling that they would actually use a nuclear weapon on on israel because honestly like legitimately i don't think they would that I think the reason that they want a nuclear weapon is because, you know, North Korea has a nuclear weapon and the U.S. isn't breathing down their throat talking about regime change. Libya gave up their nuclear weapon and then, you know, a couple of years later, NATO was running air cover for the rebels. So I don't think that Iran actually wants it specifically so they can use it to essentially set in motion
Starting point is 00:08:27 the destruction of the Iranian regime, right? Because even if they killed a bunch of Jews or a bunch of Israelis and did massive damage, the United States is definitely going to step in if they use a nuclear weapon. I feel like Iran would stand to lose a lot more personally, like if they were to nuke, you know, like if they want to hit Israel, they know. And this is something I was watching Tucker Carlson the other night, and he was interviewing that, you know, and saying that we've been made to believe that both Iran and China are like these big threats, but they're really not. Our threats are sometimes our neighbors. Like Mexico has killed more Americans, right, than Iran probably
Starting point is 00:09:03 has in the last couple of decades. Agree about Mexico, disagree about China. Go ahead. Sorry. Right. No. Yeah. And hey, I'm, you know, my mom's from Mexico. I'm, we're right there, you know, and we see the disaster and the implications of having a bad neighbor to our South. And I think somebody, I don't know if it was Jack, but so they posted, you know, when are we going to strike the cartel sites in Mexico the same way we're hitting Iran, you know, and I think it's valid. Israel took out all of their top military brass and the U.S. is like, well, I don't know. Yeah. Cartels are actively killing people all the time. It's crazy. Yeah. And I don't know how anyone can look at, you know, the president of Mexico now where Donald Trump kind of extended his olive branch and said, look, if you want us to help you with your cartel problem, we can. But
Starting point is 00:09:41 of course, he wants to make it seem like, oh, we will never allow like another country to come in and take care of our own problems. We can do it by ourselves. But it's like, okay, you're kind of telling on yourself right now. Yeah. So I'm seeing a lot of people post Israel has a right to defend itself. And I'm like, wait, hold on. You're not seriously implying that a preemptive strike on Iran was self-defense. That's been since thousands of years. They've been making that argument. It is. The Romans did it. They were like, look, because sometimes if you just sit back and wait and the enemy on the other side of the border builds up their military and you don't do anything, then they invade you. They destroy your industrial capacity. You can't rebuild your counterattack.
Starting point is 00:10:18 So you do the preemptive attack as a form of defense because you know they're going to attack you. But the argument is defense it's the best defense a lot of people say in war for sure like the french before world war ii like if you if you're in a situation where you have to defend your life like if you got a gun you have to wait for someone to punch you to take your gun out and so so let's try this your neighbor says they are going to kill you and then you're like okay And then one day you see him standing in his front yard assembling a.308 while smiling at you. Do you have a right or does it make sense to attack them? Technically, legally, no.
Starting point is 00:10:52 No, you don't. Orally. I mean, in real life, you call the police. I don't think that's a fair analogy. In war, there's no law. Sorry to interrupt you there. Yeah, it's very different when you're dealing with a nuclear bomb and mass casualties. The scale of death is where things get weird.
Starting point is 00:11:10 Now, I'm just saying there are people who are ideologically captured on Israel. I call them the Israel First people. And they are like, denounce Israel strikes on Iran, Tim. And I'm like, I don't care. I literally don't. I'm not going to denounce Burma or whatever it is China's doing or, you know, Tibet and Pakistan. Israel, Iran, whatever. I'll denounce the U.S. involvement
Starting point is 00:11:31 and say the U.S. should not be involved in this. And I don't know if you guys have also seen, there's articles going around that as far back as the 1980s, Israel has been putting out headlines, you know, Iran is close to a nuclear war within five years. And there was like another one in 1995, like they're months away from an atomic bomb. And then like fast forward 45 years and it's like the same headline over and over again.
Starting point is 00:11:51 Just, hey, there's a nuclear war that's about, we have to go in there. To me, you know, it just doesn't make sense because Israel, they've got so many different war fronts. They're going on in Syria, they're going on in Lebanon, they're going on in Yemen, they're going on in, they've still got Gaza to take care of. Why launch a new assault on Iran, knowing that the backlash, and then when I saw that they were getting a, you know, that they had assaulted and done drone strikes in Iran, they're saying like, oh, now Israel is asking all its citizens to flee, you know, into shelters, because Iran is going to hit back. And I'm like, well, what did you expect was going to happen? Well, you almost wonder if they knew that was going to happen
Starting point is 00:12:26 and if they're using it as a cause of spelling. You know, and that Pentagon thing they got there, what's it called, that building that they have? It's a civilian military site. So it's like a human shield site. If it gets hit, blown up, they're going to be like, all the civilians that were there. And that's our military.
Starting point is 00:12:40 Pentagon is the same thing. Yeah, like the military is usually directed by the civilians in like most democracies. This is the thing about this attacking Iran, claiming Iran's a big threat. In the late 70s, there was an Iranian revolution. The Shah, which was democratically elected president of Iran, got overthrown in suspectedly a CIA coup. The Israelis may have been involved, but they put in this radical religious sect, this Ayatollah Khomeini, this intensely radical Islamist
Starting point is 00:13:10 who's like the perfect enemy. And now they have an enemy to fight. It's similar with Hamas. The Israelis are, apparently they put, they propped up Hamas because they needed someone to fight against. The United States didn't back the Shah.
Starting point is 00:13:23 They backed the revolution. We overthrew the Shah. They didn't back the revolution. We overthrew the Shah and installed a democratic regime, which was then overthrown by the Islamic revolution. So even right now, we got a super chat. And with respect to Scott Thomas and your 64 months, seriously, wow, thank you very much. He says, stop simping for Israel. They had negotiations for Sunday. They could have waited, but decided to be the aggressor. This is what I'm talking about.
Starting point is 00:13:43 How is it simping for Israel to say the U.S. should not be involved in Middle Eastern conflicts? Because I have to be anti-Israel? I'm as anti-Israel as I am anti-Burundi. And not only that, but I think, you know, this is something that my audience has been asking me, is why does Israel keep announcing, why does the U.S. keep announcing that they're going to strike on Sunday? They're going to strike on Sunday. Why tell your enemy? But it's also public pressure, right? Because if now Israel can kind of go back and the U.S. can kind of go back and be like, look, for months and for weeks, we've been putting out, we need to strike a deal.
Starting point is 00:14:13 We need to strike a deal. But you opened up the segment, Tim, with the fact that I guess Israel is admitting that this was all like a ruse, that the deals were actually just to like kind of deter Iran and kind of have its defenses down. So that's kind of a shocking revelation. The fact that it looks like Donald Trump is saying, yeah, we've been lying to Iran. So now I know there's a lot of people pissed off at Donald Trump because they're like, what the heck? Trump wasn't really negotiating peace.
Starting point is 00:14:39 Well, also, more importantly, he wasn't just lying to Iran. He was lying to us. All of us. He told us that we weren't involved in this. now it turns out we were so we got a video It looks like somebody who was in the building that got hit filmed it check this out Yo, geez that's crazy Get out that's crazy go get out or he's right next to the building I like that it's going back and forth
Starting point is 00:15:16 between Hebrew and English he's cursing in English but he's in shock in Hebrew let's see what else I can pull up here. We have a, what's the next? Here we go. This is a story from the Dallas Morning News. Quote, we knew everything, Trump says,
Starting point is 00:15:34 as U.S. shifts military resources after Israel hits Iran. It's from the AP, as reported by Dallas Morning News. The United States is shifting military resources, including ships in the Middle East, in response to Israel's strikes in Iran. President Donald Trump told Reuters on a phone interview Friday that he and his team knew everything about Israel's plan to attack Iran and that he had given Tehran fair warning it needed to make a deal on its nuclear program. We knew everything, and I tried to save Iran humiliation and death. I tried to save them very hard because I knew, because I
Starting point is 00:16:03 would have loved to have seen a deal worked out. They can still work out a deal. However, it's not too late. So this is initially the talk was that the Trump team, the White House had no idea and they were planning negotiations. I think, I don't know if we have this one. No, we don't have one pulled up. We do have this. Trump says Iranian negotiators workingian negotiators working with us are no longer alive and says they didn't die of the flu they didn't die of covid uh israel israeli sources had been reporting check this out how an israeli american deception campaign lulled iran into a false sense of security israeli official says trump's warnings to netanyahu not to attack as well as stories of israeli officials flying to the U.S. and PM taking a short vacation, were put out to fool the regime. Now, I don't know how much of that is true, but with Trump saying we knew everything, it sounds like that may have
Starting point is 00:16:53 been the case. That the U.S. was basically saying, no, no, no, we want to negotiate with you, considering Trump's the one who killed the nuclear deal. Him saying I want to negotiate with you, it's plausible. And the reason why they're keeping this from the American people is that Trump knows his base is largely anti-intervention. He wants the people to overthrow the dictatorship that is their government. He doesn't have a problem with the Iranians. It's the government. It's the dangerous, psychotic. This is his argument. I think Trump might feel the same way.
Starting point is 00:17:32 And I'll tell you what, if I was in their position, if I was the Ayatollah Khomeini right now, and I was betrayed like this by the Americans in the middle of the peace deal, I would never forgive them, literally never forgive them. So unless they're removed from power or destroyed, whatever, unless they're removed from power, I don't see this conflict ending. Now, if there is a regime change in Iran and there's a democratically, maybe there's a republic that's instantiated, maybe. Maybe that can quell the violence, but I don't see it.
Starting point is 00:18:00 Other than that, I don't see it. That kind of wasn't the result in Iraq. I don't know that that would be the result in iran either iran was a successful democrat they do have a much longer history as a yeah as a this is going to sound bad but as a civilized state like they have been around independently for thousands upon thousands of years. On the other hand, Islam is a tribal. It's a religion that likes violence. And the concern that I would have is that what Trump may not be understanding here is that in Islam, in their eschatology, it says that in the end of days, the stones will cry out, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him. So when you look at the people who are in charge of Iran, as much as the regular average Iranian probably isn't
Starting point is 00:18:49 a hateful person, the people in control are, and their opinion is that it is better to die than it is to submit to the world outside of Islam. And that would be the concern I would have. I think it's foolish to go into a conflict with them expecting that they will tolerate their own people rising up. They will happily kill them before giving up power. I heard that the Israelis basically launched a surgical strike destroying members of the Iranian government and military, like top brass, top nuclear scientists. They were literally killing people in the room, like they were selecting the room that they were in, shooting ordnance into the room. That really basically just killed people in the room, like they were selecting the room that they were in, shooting ordnance into the room. That really basically just killed people in the room,
Starting point is 00:19:27 and it didn't destroy the building or whatever. So just, sorry, go ahead, finish. No, that's it. I just wanted to clarify your point. It's not when the end days come, it's that they won't come. The quote is, the day of judgment will not come until Muslims fight Jews and kill them. Then the Jews will hide behind rocks and trees, and the rocks and trees will cry out, oh Muslim, there's a Jew hiding behind me, come and kill them. Then the Jews will hide behind rocks and trees and the rocks and trees will cry out,
Starting point is 00:19:46 oh Muslim, there's a Jew hiding behind me, come and kill him. Yeah. And that was actually in the Hamas charter too. Yeah, their eschatology has it that when we come to that point, that the war will happen and then even these stones and trees
Starting point is 00:20:00 will cry out against the Jews. That is a prerequisite for them to meet the day of judgment to do this. And that might, when you look at the Shia position and the intense religiosity of the Iranian regime, I would be very concerned about what they might perceive this to be. It's interesting, the caliphate is an interesting concept
Starting point is 00:20:18 that a religion itself formed a state, the Muslim caliphate in like, I don't know what it was, 700 AD, 800 AD. I mean, Israel is technically a religious state, but that there was like a state, the Muslim caliphate in like, I don't know what it was, 700 AD, 800 AD. I mean, Israel is technically a religious state, but that there was like a country, but there was also this caliphate that was a country. Like, was Muhammad like a governor? Was he a president? Was he a, what was he? He was a prophet and a war leader. He was a warlord. Yeah. And in Islam, the caliphs are his, basically his direct descendants sometimes. and depending on which shia or sunni might be a more spiritual succession and in some cases it's a more direct lineage
Starting point is 00:20:50 from i believe his his cousin um that it's intricately tied into the governance of the system is like uh oh they fully believe that the the successor of muhammad is the one who should lead both the religion and the state. Yeah, and that's a big part of the problem because of a lot of the things that the religion specifically said, specifically about Israel. And it's very different from the way Christianity views this church and state relationship. And I understand I got cooked this morning, I know. But they don't see it as a partnership. It is one. And that person
Starting point is 00:21:26 is to lead Islam into a position where it overtakes the world. But of course, then it has to shrink back and it has to be cornered. And then there's, it's kind of like revelation. He just, Muhammad just kind of took revelation and rewrote it. It has to shrink back and be cornered. Yeah, it expands and then it is defeated back, pushed back to Jerusalem. It's really crazy how this is all in revelation in other wording. And then 600 years later, some guy in Arabia is like, hey, we're going to do that, too. You know, as a bit of a tangent, Mohammed reminds me a lot of Alexander the Great in his story. He was like a young, well, middle aged war leader and then uh hugely successful people fought him then
Starting point is 00:22:05 when he died his basically his his generals split up his empire and formed their own countries or cults or groups is same thing that happened with you know this with with alexander similar things similar thing very i think alexander was poisoned by his men though i don't think i definitely think there's also like an interesting conversation happening in which obviously now it's looking like Donald Trump knew everything. Right. That could mean two things. It means we were playing Iran to kind of surprise it. Or it could mean Israel had always informed us what they were planning on doing. And I was actually trying to strike a deal with Iran through these last weeks. And I mean, look like how much time they gave Iran. Right. Um, so, I mean, I think Trump in, in some way can kind of be like, look, I was doing my part. Of course, Israel needs to run it by us. But I think that there was like, um, you know, I've heard like people like Ben Shapiro say, you know, like, uh, and then, uh, you had, um, uh, Mark Levin saying that, uh, who, who are we, the United States to tell Israel that they're not allowed to strike Iran. And I'm thinking to myself, I'm like, look, States, to tell Israel that they're not allowed to strike Iran?
Starting point is 00:23:06 I'm thinking to myself, I'm like, look, that can only be true if we take the Ben Shapiro route, in which we're just completely disengaged. But if we're sending money over to Israel, and they're depending on us, which the reports show that America has interfered and intercepted a lot of these missiles. Well, wait a minute. What happened? I thought Israel didn't need us. Yo, they brought Mark Levin on Fox & Friends this morning, and that dude is Israel first as they come. Yeah, he's lost the plot, man.
Starting point is 00:23:33 He was like fervently saying, it is America first to defend Israel and fight Iran and all that stuff. And he's like, and they call me a neocon. And I'm like, that's not America. That's literally not. It's the antithesis of America first. Yeah. You know, I will say this is something that I actually have a conversation with my audience about, you know, being Hispanic myself, my mom from Mexico. Yeah. Like we don't have, I don't understand this like America,
Starting point is 00:23:59 Israel stuff, to be honest. Like I see like all these like Americans these Americans, evangelicals talking about this undying loyalty to Israel. But in Los Angeles, my mom never... We never grew up really having... We never talked about Israel. You've never been? What's that? Never been? To Israel? No. Shout out to Douglas Murray.
Starting point is 00:24:19 I haven't gotten invited. Are you Catholic? I'm not Catholic, no. But you are his man. I'm Christian, yeah. So it's... I'm going you Catholic? I'm not Catholic, no. But you are Hispanic. I'm Christian, yeah. So I'm going to take another L as a Protestant today. This is rough for me. But this is, again, Protestantism, which is largely where the idea that we're supposed to defend Israel comes from, because it's not that Americans are supposed to defend, it's Christians are supposed to defend the Jews.
Starting point is 00:24:41 Christians are supposed to defend Israel. And this is an outspringing of a certain kind of Protestant theology that is native to the United States of America that came about in the early 1900s, which kind of pushed this idea of we're supposed to be supportive of Jews. We're supposed to be supportive of them as a state. And it bases this upon a very skewed interpretation of the Bible. But I've heard that before, not to interrupt you, but what I would ask is, so then how did Christians bless Israel or Jewish people
Starting point is 00:25:09 before 1948? So like between, you know, the fall of Israel back then and 1948, how did Christians bless Jewish people? You know, like it doesn't... We persecuted them quite a bit in the Middle Ages. Yeah, the Jews got in the Bible are the ones that killed Jesus. So that was like they were the enemy in the Bible. So the Christians basically that was they set that up pretty early on to let you know the Jews are the enemy.
Starting point is 00:25:34 Anti-Semitism was kind of the default position of the church for a very long time. Not necessarily like Hitler's version of it, but they are others. They should not be included amongst us has been the way it's been viewed for a very long time. Then the Zionist movement appeared in like the 1850s. And they were like, well, let's we want to set up a Jewish state. Let's work together with the British Empire, all this big British corporate empire, whatever, with the East India Trading Company. And they set up Israel. They basically worked on this plan to get the country of Israel.
Starting point is 00:26:00 So the politics of Israel don't matter at the local level. It's only when you start talking geopolitical, the point of that country being where it is to protect the Suez Canal, to dominate the trade region. Then if you start to question the validity of it, they'll start throwing religion at you and be like, don't you, don't you believe in, aren't you afraid of? But they're like a big part of why there's a fight in over like Israel is because of Jerusalemusalem right like because
Starting point is 00:26:27 like the islam christianity and uh judaism all consider jerusalem to be like their holy city and so it's not just about like the suez canal or about the internet the the liberal global order whatever you want to call it like there is like deep-seated religious reasons for both of the groups that are PO'd about Israel to want to have access to Israel, to want to control that land. But see, here's the thing is, so I still have family in Mexico, and we go visit all the time. I was just there not too long ago. And it's just something that even in the churches, even the culture there,
Starting point is 00:27:05 we never, ever, ever speak about Israel. Like we never talk about it, whether it's in the news or not. It's not like we're like, oh my gosh, like what's going to happen? Like, you know, the Mexican people are not demanding that their government be like, hey, you need to do something. But then here, like you have people like Mark Levin and he's like, like you said, it's America first to be like, I would just never hear that. You know, and I've gone to like Peru, I've he's like like you said it's America first to be like I would just never hear that you know and I've gone to like Peru I've gone to like Honduras you just never hear this it's just such a like a
Starting point is 00:27:31 weird concept what you're saying is someone needs to launch my pack oh yeah my pack yeah the Mexican Israel Public Affairs Committee see that's the thing you don't have an APAC in Mexico a my pack yeah the Israelis have already Public Affairs Committee. See, that's the thing. You don't have an AIPAC in Mexico.
Starting point is 00:27:48 A MyPAC. Yeah, the Israelis have already infiltrated the Mexican government. What about Canada? Do they have a PSI-PAC? I hope they do. We've got to sign them up. Canada's in China's pocket at this point. We need Canada back. Yeah, they have a CCC-PAC.
Starting point is 00:28:04 Secret Chinese police in Calgary. There was talk of that here in the back. Yeah, they have a CCC pack. Secret Chinese police in Calgary. Well, there was talk of that here in the U.S. as well. The FBI mentioned that there were actually, I think it was like San Francisco area, New York, Boston kind of area. I'm sorry, Senator. It's Friday the 13th. Oh, yeah, it is. And we're just off the full moon. I wish I could say it was a full moon, but that was the 11th.
Starting point is 00:28:25 Oh, hot. So we're close enough. So it's 95% illumination on a... 95% illumination, Illuminati. That proves it. Yep, he's got it. God is real. I think that the reason you don't hear about it
Starting point is 00:28:38 as much in Mexico, and we do in the United States, and I wonder if they hear about it in Britain. I don't know. Maybe you guys know more. Or in Australia, the Five Eyes Spy Club. I feel like they set up Israel and gave it nuclear weapons. And I say they, I mean the liberal economic order that hold out of the British corporate empire. I call it corporate because when they created the East India Trading
Starting point is 00:28:58 Company, that thing took over India, took over China. It took over. Like, it took over. So they set it up. They gave it weapons. They basically created a nuclear bulwark in the East to protect our interests, the liberal economic order's trade interests. And they're highly obsessed
Starting point is 00:29:17 with maintaining it. That's why you hear about it constantly in the Five Eyes countries. Five Eyes countries. It's the world order. When George H.W. Bush said in, like, what was it, the early 90s? 93. He said, some people can imagine a new world order.
Starting point is 00:29:30 The phrase new world order literally was a reference to the liberal economic order and the restructuring of it. And then when a bunch of people started saying the new world order, they weren't describing a proper noun as capital n w o they were saying lowercase n capital w yeah like at one point the liberal economic order was a new world order at that period of his so they wanted another one there's actually a soundbite of uh president biden uh saying it was one of his ramblings early on and he was talking about uh there's actually a soundbite of him saying in front of like a press conference saying that a top general told him in a top secret meeting that the liberal world order began after world war ii and i was like what a very odd thing to say here we go and it just kind of went into that but here we go is more 1991 than one small country. It is a big idea, a new world order where diverse nations are drawn together in common cause Okay. The universal aspirations of mankind,
Starting point is 00:30:48 peace and security, freedom and the rule of law. So I say we must clean the house of white America of racism. Americans who are in the white majority should be proud to stand up and be heard denouncing the sort of racist rhetoric we heard on that tape. So loudly and clearly denouncing it that our black fellow citizens can hear us. White racism may be black people's burden, but it's white people's problem. I don't know what that has to do with the New World Order, but it's in the same clip. It was the Sister Soldier moment.
Starting point is 00:31:25 It's just so weird. Yeah. Forgettable. Well, there was the New World Order, the proclamation, and for, you know, like you said, 20 years people thought it was a conspiracy theory. People like Alex Jones would talk about it, and they thought he was like, and the WWF, they had a group called the New World Order. The press created a proper noun, New World Order.
Starting point is 00:31:42 You can search for it on Wikipedia, But it was never a proper noun. It was a descriptive phrase for the Council on Foreign Relations, the International Monetary Fund, the World Bank, the system that was called the liberal economic order or the liberal world order. Yep. Based out of – well, not based, but the Bank for International Settlements kind of is the mother brain out of Switzerland, all the central banks, the New York Federal Reserve, the Bank of England and the Bank of Australia run their money through the Swiss Bank. And that's kind of the brain of this system. And here we have it from the Council on Foreign Relations.org. What is the liberal world order set up in what 4749? Right, right after World War
Starting point is 00:32:17 Two disasters, to deadly diseases, to wars, the world can be a turbulent, even chaotic place. But around 75 years ago, a new system was imagined to temper this turbulence and improve the lives of many. It is called the Liberal World Order. This is so dystopian. It is a liberal system in the sense that it operates on rules that are, in theory, applied to each country equally, and that it encourages each country to be democratic
Starting point is 00:32:46 and to open its economy to the rest of the world. It is a global system in that every country around the world is encouraged to join and follow those rules, even if some do not. And it is a system... And what happens to those that do not? Dude, if you put the Helldivers music behind that, it would fit perfectly. That's what I'm saying. And look at what it says.
Starting point is 00:33:07 It says right there, after World War II, it all began. And that's why I just found it really odd because Joe Biden was talking about something completely different. And for some reason, he just decided to throw it in there. And by the way, you know, I met with a top secret general who told me that right after World War II, that's when the liberal world order began. And I'm just like, well, what was, so what was it before that you know like or what was it was multi-polar they had the um the league of nations which was an attempt at like a un but it was multi-polar and that germany was uncontrollable they were building up there so after world war ii they were like never again are we going to let a country build up its military and sneak attack
Starting point is 00:33:43 and take over france so they built this super secretive, aggressive military industrial complex. They called a new order. They set up Israel in 49, I think, 47, 49. 47 into 48. Right after they said as part of this construction of this order, they built, they instantiated Israel in the mandate where the mandate for Palestine had been. The British mandate had been set up. And there it is. Now they want to kind of evolve into some new one. And they were never clear about what it's going to be. So, you know, you know where they really lost it, though.
Starting point is 00:34:12 And the reason it's falling apart is because they wanted everyone to be gay. And I'm not joking. When they tried pushing gay communism on third world countries and even the United States, it created a massive backlash in the U.S., when corporate institutions adopted this, whether it was through mandate or I think it was more emergent, but it may be a combination of powerful interests saying, OK, let's roll with it and social media pushing it. When you take a look at the trends across all major media newspapers all over the world, at the end of the 2000s, 2008, 2009, racism, white supremacy, sexism, all skyrocketed in every single newspaper. Once the woke critical theory emerged, a major backlash erupted across many of these countries,
Starting point is 00:34:55 including Europe and the United States. Do you think that they were like, our forced sterilization projects aren't working. They're getting upset. And then the guy's like, have you tried making them gay? And then they're like upset and then the guy's like have you tried making them gay and then they're like want less population i think the malthusians for those that are not familiar malthusians have been around i believe since the 70s believing that there would eventually come to be too many people so they had to do whatever they could to stop people from reproducing and you know bill gates wants to reduce population growth and things like this. And so one of the strategies is to discourage sex by any means and encourage non-reproductive sex. That is not far off from catharism.
Starting point is 00:35:34 What is that? It was a medieval heresy of the church that was basically the material world in and of itself is evil. Creation is evil. But existence in and of itself does not have to be evil so they encouraged people to have sex but not reproduce to be hedonist things like that and the catholic church stamped it out extremely aggressively that makes perfect sense mass curd mass curd about 7 000 people including other catholics at bazir because they didn't they were like ah well you know the exact quote is i believe kill them, God will recognize his own.
Starting point is 00:36:05 Let me play a little bit more of this liberal world order stuff. A system that promotes order in that most countries that buy into it respect the borders of other countries and seek to resolve their differences peacefully. developed in an effort to avoid repeating the major man-made disasters of the first half of the 20th century, the Great Depression and two world wars. Following World War II, the United States, along with several other countries, started drafting an aspirational blueprint for what later became known as the Liberal World Order by establishing certain international institutions the united nations was built to promote peace between countries the world bank would support global economic development and the international monetary fund and the general agreement on
Starting point is 00:36:59 tariffs and trade which later became the World Trade Organization, would support investment and trade between countries. While these institutions provided the blueprint for the liberal world order, the system was really powered by the United States. So in other words, the U.S. said, okay, everybody, we're at a big stick in the room, so we're going to do what we want, and you better do it too or else and what happens to individuals who defy the liberal economic order and the world bank well by coincidence they just end up having revolutions it's a crazy thing that just happens in these countries or that for some reason they end up being evil they can hardly ask their own people and need to be killed like
Starting point is 00:37:39 russia believe it the this the thing the problem with the liberal economic order and the reason it didn't work in totality was because of the Soviet Union. They could never get in there and disrupt it until the late 80s. Then you see this oligarchical revolution in the Soviet Union, shattering it and making it a business opportunity. But the problem is, at that point, the communism and the ideology had spread to China. And China in the late 40s had their own revolution against this crap. Shortly after World War II, they basically, for 100 years before the end of World War II, we were talking about this before the show, there's what was called the Opium Wars. The British,
Starting point is 00:38:19 the East India Company was basically selling opium into China, 1830s, 1840s, poisoning their populace, destroying their intelligence, making them agrarian, basically. The Chinese revolted and said, we want opium to be illegal. Well, the British came in with their advanced weaponry and stomped them down. Said, no, it's not. So five years later, the Chinese rose up again. The British and the French went in, stomped them down completely, and said, opium is going to be legal in China. For 100 years, they call it the century of humiliation.
Starting point is 00:38:41 This was like a call of the Chinese Communist Revolution. We're not going to put up with this British humiliation anymore. These unfavorable treaties that we were forced to sign. And so now they're giving it back to us with the fentanyl. I mean, this war is still going on. They're giving it to the United States because of what the British did? What are you talking about, man? Yes.
Starting point is 00:39:01 Now they want to destroy our, what do they call it, brain drain. They want to create brain drain in the United States so we can't industrialize properly for the 21st century i don't think that it has a whole lot to do with like getting revenge on the british by attacking the united states i do think that the united states and china um are rivals it's not one of those things like the way that the uh the the former administration used to used to articulate it they would say that we were we were partners or that we were you know we were in friendly competition i do think that that it's actually not friendly competition but i don't think that it has much to do with the with with the way that england treated china 100 years i'll be more clear i think that it's not that they have a personal grudge.
Starting point is 00:39:45 It's that they look at what's the arcing power structure on Earth right now. It's the liberal economic order. Let's destroy that with the same technique that was used against us. Let's poison their populace through opium. They're doing a very specific, ultra-nationally capitalist thing right now.
Starting point is 00:40:00 And that's kind of, I think, their main way. Fentanyl is probably being used to hit us. But the way China is doing things is that they are putting their tentacles into South America and Africa and the Middle East through the Belt and Road Initiative. And what they plan to do is offer these countries more than they could ever possibly repay in infrastructure and things like that. And then when those countries default on their debt, well, now China gets something back somehow. What is it? It's their natural resources. It's that China gets to build military bases. China might even get to take over their governments. So China's doing something very insidious to extend its empire into the world that the United States has basically
Starting point is 00:40:38 propped up with aid for not hundreds of years, but decades now. And they're trying to usurp that from us while at the same time poisoning us from behind. When I'm looking at the two threats on Earth right now, I feel like the Communist Chinese Party and their expansion is deeply concerning. If they're building up a military secretly, that could be a big problem for us. They're not doing it secretly.
Starting point is 00:40:59 Well, you're doing a huge military build. There are things we know about, but maybe there's things we don't know about too. We don't know. We wouldn't know. Fair enough. And there's also the Middle Eastern stuff about, too. We don't know. We wouldn't know. Fair enough. There's also the Middle Eastern stuff, and I keep looking for a linchpin. I think it's the Russians. Ultimately, if there was a
Starting point is 00:41:11 global fight, whoever Russia sides with will win. Why? Because they're the landmass in the middle. Most amount of nukes? You can't invade Russia. I mean, you might be able to. Actually, you can easily invade Russia. Maybe now with modern tech. Back in the day, you'd freeze on the battlefield.
Starting point is 00:41:27 That's always been the challenge. But yeah, with modern tech and the fact that they have a large land mass and the population is relatively small compared to the land mass. But they are like a, you mentioned, highly militarized, massive society. More nukes than anybody else. And red, white, and blue, baby. It's not the time on the world the world 146 million people yep but they have more landmass than pluto yeah that's hilarious what's interesting is i i used to kind of think that way too where it's like man russia's like this big threat and then the ukraine secret operation happened and i feel like that just
Starting point is 00:42:00 really put things into perspective in modern day because there's so many people you know when i when i talk about like the oncoming war and what's happening with Russia and Ukraine, what's happening, Israel and Iran, there's a lot of people that I think they envision this new war to be like, hey, we're storming beaches again, we're dropping off all these troops, etc. But I think that this next war, you know, if it evolves into that, it's looking like it is, it's going to look a lot more like what Ukraine just did to Russia. And what frightens me really is all these people that just came in the last four years with open borders,
Starting point is 00:42:31 and what kind of drone technology were they sneaking in? What kind of drone technology are they building with stuff already here in America? And so we were talking about this earlier, right? I've been covering the LA protests since last Friday, and there was one day specifically where the police were pushing back to protesters and there was a car just stuck there. And it was on because you can see the
Starting point is 00:42:49 exhaust pipe and it was, you know, I had the exhaust coming out of it. And the police were telling it, hey, you got to move. They were like, roll down your window. You got to get this thing out of here. And just for a split second, I was like, this thing's about to blow up right now. This thing's a bomb, you know? And like, you know, you got Laura Loomer. She's been warning about like, Hey, stay out of the cities this weekend. I think something's bad is about to happen. Obviously we've got global conflict. Yeah. And a representative, Annapolina Luna, who said that she has text messages from, from Intel saying that she knows for a fact that there's going to be bad actors going into the cities and causing mayhem. And so that's, that's all it takes. There was actually a, sorry, just
Starting point is 00:43:25 there was a guy that threw a Molotov cocktail at police in LA and I captured it. That guy ended up being an illegal. So... Who wants to make a bet? I'll make a gentleman's bet, and I doubt anyone in the room will take it, that within the next week or two there will be an attack on Americans from
Starting point is 00:43:41 some kind of Iranian actor. Iranian actor? Yeah. The next week or two? Or that's what it would be told to us, you mean? Oh, yeah. That's going to be the headline. I didn't speculate anything beyond there's going to be. So who wants to take that bet that it would not happen?
Starting point is 00:43:56 The next week or two? I'm tempted just because it's such a short window. Considering that Israel is bombing Iran right now. Like I said, I'm not. For the warmonger interests, they need only that tender that has been laid for years to be ignited, which is we have been told because of Joe Biden
Starting point is 00:44:16 that there are Iranian-backed influences, insurgents and terrorists who have entered the United States. And what would happen now if a bomb went off in a U.S. city and they said it was a guy who came to the border and is Iranian? MAGA would immediately say, this proves it. We were right the whole time.
Starting point is 00:44:36 Joe Biden did this. Iran is at fault and attacked us. Now we have to go to war. The only way I agree with that, I would only believe it if the Iranian government claimed it was their attack at this point. But even then, that could be a fake claim. I don't know what to believe. The media reports will just say they claimed it.
Starting point is 00:44:51 I'm just saying, if there really is an interest in the U.S. getting involved in the war, the tinder has been set. There has to be an attack. I discussed this with Secretary Noem. Are there terrorists who have entered the southern border? Absolutely. Joe Biden left it open. So now the narrative is already planted
Starting point is 00:45:08 and the logic is there. Should an attack happen, it's two plus two. It's we knew they came in. It's been a big problem. It's why we wanted the border secured. It's Biden's fault.
Starting point is 00:45:19 And Trump is the hero who's going to rectify it. Well, I don't know if you guys remember that video of there was an independent journalist that was filming down at the border under President Biden to rectify it. Well, I don't know if you guys remember that video of there was an independent journalist that was filming down at the border under President Biden. And there was this guy,
Starting point is 00:45:29 he might've had like an Arabian accent, I'm not really sure. But he was telling the videographer, he's like, oh, you don't know who I am? Don't worry, pretty soon you'll know who I am. You remember that video? Yes, I remember that video. So he was warning the Americans
Starting point is 00:45:42 because he knew he was like, hey, I'm going to post you. I've got your face, I'm going to post you. And the guy was kind of like egging him on he's like oh do you know who i am and the videographer's like no i have no idea he's like pretty soon you and your people are going to know exactly who i am so i mean the the the stage i guess uh for lack of a better word is kind of set already the tinder is already there tim right and all it's going to take is we've've got no King's Day tomorrow. I'm getting from sources that, we've got, right, we've got LAPD sources texting me, people that work in these offices, saying we're going to be completely overwhelmed tomorrow. We don't have enough manpower for even just the small cities, let alone the big proper, LA proper,
Starting point is 00:46:20 in downtown LA. Let's set aside any even conspiratorial thinking on this matter. Iran is pissed. They're threatening retaliation against the United States for our involvement in the Israel-Iran war, and we are supposed to have millions of people marching in the streets tomorrow across the country? Yep. That is a perfect opportunity for our enemies, in all seriousness. Now, I don't think it's... I don't think they're that stupid. They are. Yeah, I mean, you know, I was talking about this earlier, and I was thinking, I mentioned this think it's stupid. They are. Yeah. I mean, you know, I was I was I was talking about this earlier and I was thinking I mentioned this on one of the morning segments. How come criminals get caught so stupidly?
Starting point is 00:46:53 And I'm like, oh, because if they were smart, they wouldn't be criminals. They'd make money in a relatively easy way. Iran is in the position they're in because they're not that smart. That's fair. You know, so but also people are emotional. They may be thinking, you know what? We're going to lose, but who cares? We're going to make sure the world hears us.
Starting point is 00:47:10 It's like that, let's do a pop culture reference. When Ivan Vanko says to Tony Stark at the beginning of Iron Man 2, when you make God bleed, the sharks will come. There are people that know. I mean, these are people who kill themselves. They will not see the fruits of their attack. So I wouldn't put it past Iran to actually say, let's take the opportunity to attack Americans. However, that being said, my point is, I also believe I wouldn't put it past U.S. intel to be like, this is a perfect opportunity to false
Starting point is 00:47:39 flag Iran. Yeah. Yeah. If you know what they did with it, it was the Bay of Pigs where they were trying to—or no, it was— It was in Cuba. Yeah, Operation Northwoods. They tried to get Kennedy to sign off on a false flag. Lemnitzer. What was it? Lemnitzer. What's that?
Starting point is 00:47:54 That was the Joint Chiefs of Staff. Oh, he wanted to get him. And he wanted Kennedy to sign off on false flag attacks where they would have fake Cubans attack Americans. Yeah, Americans dressed up in Cuban outfits attacking Americans. They were going to kill Americans to make the attack, and then people get pissed off at the Cubans, and then they want to go to war with Cuba. See, we're in the age of decentralized
Starting point is 00:48:11 combat. Another pop culture reference. How many of you have seen Andor? Negative. I saw the first season. Spoiler alert. I'll keep it light, but second season largely involves that's why I recommend you watch it, though there's like woke elements to it. I do like towards the end, the Empire stage is a false flag. Check it out.
Starting point is 00:48:30 Because they need a reaction from a certain group of people so that they can justify their actions to the Empire, to the rest of the planets. And now, so like, combat has been decentralizing as technology has been improving to telephone the radio made it so command could get to the guy on the ground now we've got ai is going to be able to command its own drone from the drone so like really decent where like every commander is its own unit almost and uh anyone can go rogue and dress up in an outfit of an iranian and and do some crap highly explosive crap not anyone but a lot of people. Man, I'm actually pretty worried about tomorrow. I'm so glad we're at the man-made horrors
Starting point is 00:49:09 beyond our comprehension stage. You know, to be fair, they were always within our comprehension is the worst part about it. Yeah, I mean, you know, I'm reading the chat right now and everyone's like, oh, you guys are just trying to fearmonger. But let's just be honest.
Starting point is 00:49:20 Like, no Trump supporter is going to be out there counter-protesting the liberals that are out there protesting.'t i i mean i'm just saying from like six days of of seeing the protest in downtown la with mexican flags communist flags i haven't the dallas videos where i wasn't coming now in texas people are waving american flags and counter protesting armed and they have guns and there's a woman with their hand on her gun telling people to get back oh wow they're a militia taking control of the streets in San Antonio. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:49:47 Would you guys advise people to stay home tomorrow, generally? I mean, I'll be out there as an independent journalist. Like, nothing's really going to stop me. I mean, I've got bulletproof vests. I've got a bulletproof helmet. I mean, I don't know how good that's going to do if an explosion goes off. A gas mask? Oh, I got a gas mask, yeah.
Starting point is 00:50:03 Oh, yeah, I've been doing this. I covered the Floyd riots from beginning to end. I was in Minneapolis when they gave the verdict to Derek Chauvin. Okay. You know, free my boy,
Starting point is 00:50:10 Derek Chauvin. Yeah, his last name, how unlucky, Chauvinism? And his name's Chauvin? What does Chauvinism mean? Good question. It means patriotism. Oh, it means staunch nationalism.
Starting point is 00:50:22 That's weird. I got twisted to mean that you're... Like a gentleman, right? Misogynistic. Like you open... Oh, that's chivalry. Yeah, you're right.
Starting point is 00:50:28 Male chauvinist. Chauvinist means staunch nationalist. Interesting. Yep. Okay. Yeah. How they lie. I'm not fear-mongering right now.
Starting point is 00:50:38 I mean, you... Look, sometimes things can be terrifying. It doesn't mean you're not going to do it, or it doesn't mean that you're going to stop and change. But you've got to acknowledge threats when you see them, and this is a very potential threat. You're fear-mongering. Am I? Such a fear-monger. The original
Starting point is 00:50:52 definition, let's just be real, the original definition was excessive or unreasonable patriotism and nationalism, a fervent faith in your nation. However, from there it evolved into a prejudicial person. Okay, so just obsessive, the first part of it, the obsessiveness of it. It came from a legend. French soldier Nicolas Chauvin was badly wounded in the Napoleonic Wars
Starting point is 00:51:15 and received a meager pension for his injuries. After Napoleon abdicated, Chauvin maintained his fanatical Bonapartist belief in the messianic mission of Imperial France. Despite the unpopularity of his view under the Bourbon Restoration, his single-minded devotion to his cause, despite neglect by his faction and harassment by his enemies, started the use of the term. Oh. There you go. Okay, I think I heard that right.
Starting point is 00:51:38 He was betrayed by Napoleon, or he was just injured? No, he was injured in the war, and he wasn't paid very well. And he maintained love for the state. Yeah. The dear leader. Just the last thing I'll say about LA too is, per my sources at LAPD, they're calling in every single police officer. Like I know police officers that were on vacation. They're like, no, vacation's canceled. You're all coming in. You know?
Starting point is 00:51:57 So I'm not trying to fear them on ground. I'm just trying to give the data. And if people. Yeah. Out here, it's supposed to rain. And Trump's having his military parade. Yeah. So. the data and if people yeah out here it's supposed to rain and trump's having his military parade yeah so uh okay so let's just say this we have been told for a couple years now joe biden opened the border chinese nationals afghan nationals extremist terrorists of various
Starting point is 00:52:20 factions from various countries have entered this country several iranians that they fear maybe terrorists into the country. Israel is bombing Iran. Iran has vowed to retaliate against the U.S. In the region, we've got the no kings across the country and Trump's military parade supposed to take place tomorrow. What's the no kings? That's just the anti-Trump protest.
Starting point is 00:52:39 Oh. But the other threat assessment is the risk to Trump's military parade. Imagine if there was an Iranian terror attack on Trump's military parade. Yeah. Heaven forbid, man. Once again, the narrative is, MAGA's going to say to the Democrats, we told you this is your fault. Biden did this. Trump's going to then say, we will not stand for an attack on our men and women in uniform.
Starting point is 00:53:03 We must enter the fray. And then we're on the ground i'm like i'm trying to do the math of of who supports what because the anti-israel protests don't like the iranian attack but wait what the anti-israel the anti-israel people don't don't support israel's attack on iran yes so well i'm not anti-israel but i also don't support it that's a good point Yes. Well, I'm not anti-Israel, but I also don't support it. That's a good point. That was a real generic anti-Israel. No, no, I know. That means you're pro-Israel.
Starting point is 00:53:31 No, but I'm not, though, either. Nope, you are. I'm neither. I'm not anti-Israel, too, but I don't support the attack. Do you think there's a place called Israel? Oh, yeah. Then you're pro-Israel. What?
Starting point is 00:53:41 It's funny. So, I love this because because you're not even familiar with the with the ideological capture of the Israel issue by simply believing that Israel exists. You are pro Israel because your worldview supports the existence of the Israeli state, which was manufactured by the British Empire and stole the land from the Palestinian people. Don't ask how the Palestinians got there. It's like the Republic of China governing Taiwan, and you are pro-China. I didn't know this until people were calling me pro-Israel. I was like, I don't care. I don't want to be involved.
Starting point is 00:54:19 And they were like, the fact that you think Israel exists proves that your worldview is pro-Israel. Wow. Interesting. I think what, Ahmadinejad? Was that the Iranian? Ahmadinejad? Ahmadinejad, yeah. they were like the fact that you think israel exists proves that your worldview is pro wow i think what i didn't know was that the iranian yeah he was saying that israel should be wiped off the map they kept quoting him i think he was like it should be removed from the map because it's not a real place i don't i don't acknowledge the creation of it like that is there a safe like third option like how about like my son just swore into the Air Force last week, and I just don't want war? So, yeah. Is there like a, I'm just a concerned father option?
Starting point is 00:54:50 Unless, to the anti-Israel people, so there are sane, rational people who understand Israel exists, and they're critical of it. But in the ideological captured space, you are either, there is not such a thing as Israel, and they and their occupiers or you're pro-Israel. In the Middle Ages, we had a really cool idea. I think we should go back to it. What Christians ruled over? Where we had it. Rome. I'm okay with that.
Starting point is 00:55:14 Rome, the orthodoxy, I don't really care. We're looking at it right now. The Muslims can't hang there. Israel can't hang there. They can't play nice. Give it to the Christians. This is the thing about if you want to protect your kids and your ideas is like, I don't want fighting. I want to protect my children is OK. Well, one argument is if we don't go in and attack the Iranians now, they're going to get a nuclear war.
Starting point is 00:55:34 Then they're going to attack. Then we're going to be on the defensive and it's going to be worse. The other argument is don't go in and attack Iran because that's going to create the war. If you don't go in, the war is not going to happen. Here's like the part that just doesn't make any sense to me is Israel's right there, but so is Europe. Aren't they a much bigger threat to Europe and Israel than the U.S.? Why are we there? Why aren't we hearing reports today that Britain helped intercept missiles? Why is it us? Wait, we're there. Yeah, so...
Starting point is 00:56:01 That's what doesn't make sense to me. They are. So NATO countries are also involved in the interception, according to numerous reports that I've seen. Oh, I didn't see. I'm sorry. Yeah. But the issue is the United States, in this liberal world order, we're the world police. This is why we bombed the Houthi rebels, because they were interfering with global trade routes. So we set up military bases all over the Middle East because we're the world police.
Starting point is 00:56:26 We don't want to back away because we don't want China to come in. Iran is a, is, is, Iran refuses to get in line with the liberal economic order. And so they're an enemy that needs to be removed and put under control. That's and they don't, so the U.S. says we'll blow you up. Here's my biggest concern, and this
Starting point is 00:56:41 is where, like, you know, I have Jewish friends and, you know, a lot of people call me an anti-Semite, whatever, because I don't want to support this new war. I'm not pro-Israel enough or whatever. But here's the thing. I'm a U.S. veteran. I served over a decade in armed forces and I served right after 9-11. I was in high school when 9-11 happened. During those 10 years, I started listening to podcasts and listening to people on their take on 9-11. And I can safely say now that I have a lot of questions about 9-11. I have a lot of questions about what our own government was up to, that we were sent overseas to supposedly under weapons of mass destruction. But that's not the truth. And now here I am again. Right. We finally left the Middle East. I'm happy. Cool. I have my son who just enlisted. He joined the Air Force. He
Starting point is 00:57:36 ships off to boot camp in September. And now we're doing this again. But this time it's Israel launching first. And people were like, like Mark Levin. He's like, it is America first. I'm like, look, man, on my father's side, I'm fifth generation American. My grandfather served. He was a prisoner of war of Korea. My father served as a U.S. Army Ranger. So he was special forces.
Starting point is 00:57:59 I served and now my son is serving. But it's like we're tired of these wars. And what I'm more tired about is the lives that we go to war under. And I just feel personally, and sure, people can call me whatever they want, that saying that, well, if we don't do this now, Iran's going to have nuclear. I just don't think that's a legitimate reason to enter a new conflict in the Middle East that one day my son will call me and be like, Dad, I'm getting deployed to the Middle East. Let's jump to the story from The Independent. Tucker Carlson turns it up. Ex-Fox News host blasts complicit president for backing Israel after attacks in Iran. They say the former Fox News host and MAGA figurehead rebuked Trump and
Starting point is 00:58:42 the administration in his newsletter titled This Could Be the Final Newsletter Before All Out War. Quote, Despite being complicit in the act of war, the president hopes last night's events will help his ongoing nuclear negotiations with Iran. While the American military may not have physically perpetrated the assault, years of funding and sending weapons to Israel, which Donald Trump has just bragged about on Truth Social, undeniably placed the U.S. at the center of last night's event. So we also have this tweet from Tucker where he's directly calling people out. He says the real divide isn't between people who support Israel and people who support Iran or the Palestinians. The real divide is between those who casually encourage violence and those who seek to prevent it. Between warmongers and peacemakers. Who are the warmongers? They would include anyone
Starting point is 00:59:25 who is calling Donald Trump today to demand airstrikes and other direct U.S. military involvement in the war with Iran. On that list, Sean Hannity, Mark Levin, Rupert Murdoch, Ike Perlmutter, and Miriam Adelson. At some point,
Starting point is 00:59:38 they will all have to answer for this, but you should know their names now. You're here, Tucker. He was incensed, it seems. Well, I mean, where is it? Any of the warmongers or the people that support American airstrikes? I'm telling you, the argument they're going to make against that is if we don't attack now, we're going to get attacked.
Starting point is 00:59:58 It's just age-old rhetoric because you can't prove the argument. Yeah, I mean, but the—it's still—I don't feel like the United States is who's obligated to do the attacking. Now, granted, we are involved if we're helping to defend Israel, but still, like— And funding it. Well, we're funding it through foreign aid, yeah, but I still don't feel like it's the United States' responsibility to do it. We're not. And I don't know why people are acting like we're obligated or like it's definitely going to be the United States or like this is going to expand into a broader war.
Starting point is 01:00:36 I don't think that's going to happen. It's because we are, the American people, we're basically the arms dealer for the liberal economic order. They created this military- military industrial complex throughout our system where we are now addicted to it if we try to remove it the militarism from our system it falls apart so they basically that that doesn't affected us with it that doesn't answer why people expect the united states to be you know to be obligated to to engage in combat with Iran we are the the militant arm of the liberal economic order this is a war
Starting point is 01:01:11 against the liberal economic order and the Middle Eastern Caliphate basically is what this fault for this fight is and they're using the American force because they've created us to be the spearhead who's they the liberal like the bankers the middle you know the middle, you know, the bankers. What do you mean by that? What do you mean they? The Bank for International Settlements
Starting point is 01:01:29 that's funding, you know, the Federal Reserve that's funding our government. Oh, he means the Swiss. Bankers. Interesting.
Starting point is 01:01:35 I think that the money is definitely incentivizing. I still don't see how any of this obligates the United States to take military action against Iran. Well, if it doesn't, nothing happens.
Starting point is 01:01:49 So it's like in Trump. Well, we're not obligated, but Trump says they can't. No, no. Israel is not going to stop just because the United States isn't going to take military action. He literally said that many times. Yeah. So it's not. It's not.
Starting point is 01:02:02 If the U.S. doesn't do it, then nothing happens. Israel is definitely going to continue this. And Iran is likely to continue attacking Israel for this. I don't know that they could if the U.S. isn't supporting their behavior. I don't think they could do an attack like this and survive. Why? Who, Israel? Yeah.
Starting point is 01:02:18 I think the same thing. I think that if Israel, like I said, they're fighting so many fronts that if Israel were to fight to fight iran i i just don't believe ben shapiro when he says oh israel can just take care of itself okay sure then show us because you attacked already and we've already had to help intercept in the past who israel they've taken care of themselves multiple times they've been you know but i mean every single country in the middle. How long have we been funding them, though? Since the very beginning. Just because we've been giving them military aid doesn't mean that it was the
Starting point is 01:02:52 United States doing it. I kind of have a Matt Walsh take. If you're a country that can't defend yourself, then maybe you shouldn't exist. Does that include developing your own weapons? Because most countries don't actually have a significant military industrial complex infrastructure. They buy them from other countries it's like russia france yeah us france russia you know there's there's there's some countries that do but if if buying or or acquiring
Starting point is 01:03:17 military arms from someone else me or means that you don't have the ability to to stand then there's only like five countries that can. I think the best headline out of all of them is that the largest gay parade event has been canceled in Tel Aviv since the war began. They're like, hey, sorry, guys, we're going to have to cancel pride parades everywhere because we're kind of in the middle of a war.
Starting point is 01:03:40 Yeah, it's probably a good idea to be able to, you know, get to your bunker in case of incoming missiles. I feel like an Israeli gay pride parade right after an Israeli attack on nuclear facilities in Iran is like a an Islamic terrorist's wet dream. Like, that is like
Starting point is 01:03:57 so many birds with one stone. Well, I mean, I don't know about... I just, here's my, again, like I just come from a family where fourth generation of veterans, I'm just, I care about America. This is the country that gave my family everything. You know, on my father's side,
Starting point is 01:04:17 we came from Italy. So my great-grandfather, who actually has the same mustache I do, that's why I let it grow out. I promised myself that when I got out of the military, I'm going to grow my grandfather, who's Italian, my great-grandfather mustache. But on my mom's side, she's from Mexico.
Starting point is 01:04:33 And this is a country we love. We don't wave foreign flags. We don't allow foreign flags in our home. We love this country. And we want to see this country prosper. And it just irks me to see that here we go with Israel and it's starting another war, another war front. And it's like, help, we're getting attacked. And it's like, all right, well, just intercept the missiles because Tel Aviv is getting
Starting point is 01:04:55 rocked again, you know? And it's just, again, I'm just a concerned father. I don't want my son to call me, dad, my first duty station is not going to be japan the way we had talked about and i was hoping to go there run it yeah it's going to be it's going to be i'm hey i'm stationed now because he's going into uh cyber security you know and and so i'm just like dude he's gonna go right there and it's like here we go again man you know let's just yeah i i still have a hard time understanding why there are so many people that are demanding or just refuse to entertain other options aside from the United States actually getting involved in direct combat with Iran. I don't see that being the case. The U.S. killed Soleimani and that didn't turn into some big burning of the
Starting point is 01:05:48 whole Middle East. Not that I'm really big on nothing ever happens, but I really do think that this is going to be a situation kind of like this is going to happen. There's going to be some combat between the two and then they're going to chill out because nothing ever happens. Well, I forgot who said it, but
Starting point is 01:06:03 they said there's a really good chance that nothing happens. Like Iran just says, okay, you know, we struck back. I agree. And this actually happened, what was it, a couple months ago where Israel attacked Iran. And Iran says like, okay, we're closing down the airspace and we're sending missiles that take two hours to get to Israel. And then they're like, okay, this concludes the missile test. None of the BRICS nations, I don't think any of them are going to risk war with the United States over Iran. No.
Starting point is 01:06:28 No, definitely not. That's why Saudi Arabia came out and they said, we strongly condemn Israel for attacking our Muslim brothers and Arab brothers. But then they're like, they're not going to do anything, you know? Right. Well, the Saudis are chilling right now. They're in good with us. They got their oil money. Well, the Saudis also like the idea of a less powerful Iran. Yeah. You know, if Iran,
Starting point is 01:06:52 when they say Iran with a nuclear weapon destabilizes the region, it's not just about Israel, though Israel is the main target and the thing that's going to garner the most attention in the Middle East. Like the Saudis don't like the iranians they don't want them to have nuclear weapons either so i also think they're heretics like they have a serious religious problem with the with the iranians because they're shia's shia versus because the iranians are shia yeah what's the difference between shia and sunni uh shia is a much smaller sect i believe it's about 10 of the muslim population and they are the more uh radical of the Muslim population, and they are the more radical of the two, the more religious. They're the more religious of the two.
Starting point is 01:07:29 I think they believe in exactly 12 imams, and we're on the last one right now or something like that. I can't remember the exact details. But basically, there's the Western version, the one that spread west across North Africa and became the Islamic Empire. That was the Sunni side. And the Shia side took root in Iran. It has to do with who should have been Muhammad's successor. His daughter is the Shia, or the ones that thought his daughter Fatima,
Starting point is 01:07:54 was that her name? So the Shia was, they wanted his cousin and son-in-law. And the Sunni believe Abu Bakr. Yeah, that was like his number two guy. Yeah. Was supposed to be the leader. Like I said earlier, basically spiritual succession versus lineal succession. Oh, bloodline versus spiritual, right?
Starting point is 01:08:13 Interesting. Yeah, the Sunni, I don't want to take sides. Just from an outsider, the Sunni look more legit. I don't want to take sides, but I'm right here. Obviously, 90%. I love the Sunnis. Where they worship the sun? Is that where the word sun comes from? No, no.
Starting point is 01:08:26 S-U-N? It's Semitic. It has nothing to do with the sun. Really? Okay. Yeah. And the majority of Muslims are Sunni. She is a small sect, and Iran likes to poke people in the eyes because they don't want
Starting point is 01:08:42 to get along with anyone. I still, one of the best moments on this show ever was when Michael Knowles called Seamus a Wahhabi Shiite Catholic. And Seamus went, thank you, Michael, thank you. Oh, yeah, Sunni comes from Sunnah, which means way or tradition. So this is like the, it's the traditional, and then Shia, what's Shia mean?
Starting point is 01:09:02 Something. There are very few Shia majority countries. It's Iran, Iraq, Azerbaijan, Bahrain, Lebanon, Yemen, and then that's basically it. Yemen, is it Shia? That makes sense there, so that the Iranians are supporting the Yemenis. Lebanon used to be Christian.
Starting point is 01:09:19 Yeah, well. And then we got outbred. It's not anymore. A lot of places used to be Christian. Funny how that happens. When are the Abrahamic religions going to break bread? We aren't. Ever?
Starting point is 01:09:32 Aren't they supposed to? We don't want to. Wouldn't Abraham want them to? No. We had this debate this morning. We had this debate this morning, and it was actually something that got pretty fiery, where Jay and I were on one side, and Tim and Tim were on the other side. Oh, but Jay got mad at you. Yeah, I know. I don't know how that happened. Don't be a Protestant
Starting point is 01:09:48 guys. It's rough out here. We, this morning we had a debate on Orthodox and Catholicism and Protestantism. I was just kind of there. But yeah, the argument that we were having, Jay and I are sitting there like, well, the Catholics in Vatican too are arguing that Muslims believe in the same God that we do. And Tim didn't agree with that, but basically what we all agreed upon is that, no, Muslims do not worship the same God that we do. We worship a Trinitarian... No, I agreed with Tim. Yeah, that's what I said. There were two Tims. I thought you said Tim didn't agree with it. No, Tim didn't agree with our take. Oh, right, right, right. Yeah, I might have misspoken, but yeah. Vatican II basically was saying
Starting point is 01:10:23 my interpretation was that what they had written in the book is that Hindus are looking for God and they found some of the secrets and Muslims are worshiping God, but they're all doing it wrong and they need to be doing it this way. And so I said, oh yeah, I get that. It was more of a dogmatic contradiction argument than anything. But the point was that we all agreed muslims do not worship the christian god at least not properly they might be trying to but they're not doing it and in the same way christians worship a trinitarian god the jews do not and the muslims do not so neither of the muslims would agree that we all do jews and christians do not agree with each other on worshiping the same god but we also look at it kind of as a, you know, live and let live situation.
Starting point is 01:11:06 Let's jump to this next story. Ladies and gentlemen, breaking news. War is gay. And that's not, that's true. That's a fact. We have this from the Pentagon Pizza Report. Freddy's Beach Bar, the closest gay bar to the Pentagon, has abnormally low traffic for a Thursday night,
Starting point is 01:11:21 potentially indicating a busy night at the Pentagon. And as we can see here on Google, you can see for the, I believe that's the 10, from 9 to 10, 10 to 11, nobody's there. What the heck? Nobody's there. Where's Lindsey Graham? It's a ghost town. So the gay bar was empty.
Starting point is 01:11:37 Yeah, where's Lindsey Graham? I mean, I'm not saying, oh, didn't Natalie Winters just come out? Who she work with? Bannon, right? Yeah. She just came out with this she worked with? Bannon, right? Yeah. She just came out with this big article saying that just basically everybody is gay in D.C. Just some of them are open and some of them are not.
Starting point is 01:11:53 And then I replied to her. And what was really surprising to me was the article, for whatever reason, had Terrence Williams on it. He Terrence Williams? Yeah, like the black guy, Terrence Williams. Where did she post this? On X? She posted it on so i yeah like the black guy terrence williams where did she post this on x she posted it on on x yeah and so i replied i replied and i said wait why did why did the new york post i don't know who posted it why did they use a picture of terrence williams is he gay and she just replied lmfao and i'm like oh my gosh yeah i couldn't believe it. I was like, wait, why did Most men are gay in D.C.,
Starting point is 01:12:27 either out or closeted, depending on whether they're Democrats or Republicans. So if they're out, they're Democrat. If they're closeted, they're Republican. And she confirmed that. Yeah. Scott Presser says true. Then it must be. It must be true. My goodness. Maybe they're just focused on their work.
Starting point is 01:12:44 No, that's probably not true. I mean, we're not talking about, you know, work they're doing. There's just cocaine and hyper-sexualization, just aggressive, animalistic, just dirty sex in D.C. going on. Just the grossest, darkest. Madison Cawthorn warned us. Yeah. Oh, yeah. And then that video came out, which shall not be described.
Starting point is 01:13:07 Oh, really? The video of the two guys in the Senate chambers? Yeah, yeah. Oh, my God. Look what you make me do. He ended it on purpose. Made you think about it. It was disgusting.
Starting point is 01:13:15 Whatever you do, don't watch that video. No, I'm kidding. Dude should be in jail. Yeah. I'm surprised he's not. Yep. Why are you surprised he's not? Didn't they have to jail everyone else?
Starting point is 01:13:26 The guy that was having sex on the Senate floor? Yeah, there's a whole group of them. And I mean this somewhat seriously. I bet a lot of the Epstein files would out a lot of gay dudes for banging little boys. And I'm sure that's a component of what they're doing. There's a reason why they're not out yet. Yeah, I don't know. He said he regretted that.
Starting point is 01:13:46 And then it's like, do you regret that you truthfully accused the president of being involved with the pedophile and that there's retaliation? Or do you regret making the story up? Because that difference is pretty important. I don't like how that just got swept under the rug and we're pretending it didn't happen.
Starting point is 01:14:02 Well, you know what's funny is Blue Anon, so I actually have people, even in Spanish media, some Spanish leftists that I follow, there's this guy, his name is Carlos Eduardo Espina. He's like the number one TikToker in Spanish and he does like media and politics in America. He's part of that Blue Anon. He went out and said, isn't it weird
Starting point is 01:14:20 that after Elon Musk accused Donald Trump of being on the files, that suddenly we have riots across the city? And I was wait a minute you guys actually believe that donald trump is inciting violence in cities because he wants to hide the fact that elon said this about him that's really what they believe they believe like oh suddenly but then you know what's interesting is i asked republicans how would you feel if like obama said the same thing of biden then three days later, we had nationwide riots and they're like, we'd believe they were covering it up. And I'm like, all right, well, maybe it's not so far fetched.
Starting point is 01:14:51 But who knows? I keep thinking about the Assassin's Creed line. Nothing is true. Everything is permitted. Like more and more, I'm starting to understand what they meant by that because it confused the hell out of me as a kid. But like the idea that just everything that's happening around right now is in a way propaganda
Starting point is 01:15:08 that's been planned. Yeah. And even if it's not, we all assume it is. I mean, there's the reality, you know, there's a saying, you know, that hackers have. If you're not cheating, you're not trying. Because the essence of what cheating is, is
Starting point is 01:15:23 finding the shortest path, finding the path of least resistance. And so there are people who are like, no, no, we do things right. And then they wonder why it is that they're wealthy and famous people doing all the wrong things. Because sometimes the right thing is the path to success. I don't believe in doing the wrong thing. But I can see the people who do the wrong thing succeeding rapidly. And it's like, what do you do? Well, you question your own morality, because when you're the righteous and ethical thing is not the fastest and easiest way. Sometimes you'll end up getting destroyed if you try and be ethical. So you have to cheat and become the villain of your own story to survive and win. Like, that's horrible. But that's also the reality. That's where the Hindus got it right. I think when they look at their gods,
Starting point is 01:16:08 they have the creator and the destroyer, two aspects of one god, and then there's the protector, the three aspects of one god. Like, it's within all of us. And I think many religions have the bad and the good, the destroyer and the creator. It's not just Hindus.
Starting point is 01:16:24 Yeah, but I like that they have, there was a Vishnu and Shiva, I think, are the creator. The destroyer and the creator. It's not just Hindus. Yeah, but I like that they have, what was it, Vishnu and Shiva, I think, are the creator and the destroyer. I'm not sure. I don't want to get it wrong. You like those things? I like that it's within one. There are different aspects within one.
Starting point is 01:16:36 Sure, and the Egyptians had Set and Ra. Yeah. Zoroastrians have Huramazda, and I can never remember the other guy's name. It's like a horror my new bill that would be good i like that like an aspect of good and evil yeah azura mazda and bill zoroastrism had zoroastrianism good and evil it's a dualist religion they have a good god and a bad god uh if you look at tolkien's work it actually while it's based upon catholicism it has the same
Starting point is 01:17:03 dynamic where the creator god, the good God, can create, but the bad God can only twist and warp. I just had a conversation, I think it was with Sean, I think it was Sean, that the Persians adopted Zoroastrianism, and then a tribe of Jews came, they were like, these Jewish people, they're polytheistic, the original Jews were polytheistic, is what I've been told, I don't know if this is true. And the Persians adopted some of the Jews and taught them about Zoroastrianism, about the one God and the evil. And then those Jews adopted it into their faith, and it became the predominant sect of Judaism. That's a fringe belief about the Babylonian exile. Yeah, Ian.
Starting point is 01:17:39 That's a fringe belief about the Babylonian exile. Good to know, Ian. I do enjoy the fringes. You do. You told me Santa Claus came from mushrooms once. I just want to surround the perimeter before I start looking inward. That's fair. Make sure what's right and what's wrong.
Starting point is 01:17:53 Yeah, there's a couple of views with that. One of them, yeah, I don't know. Santa Claus came from mushrooms. You can ask him about that one. But yeah. It's regarding the Siberian shaman that would eat the Amanita muscaria underneath the pine trees where the reindeer would defecate. And then they'd go back to their yurts and climb down the chimneys because they were snowed in. And then they'd hang them over the fireplace in their socks to dry out the mushrooms overnight.
Starting point is 01:18:15 The red and the white mushrooms like Santa Claus outfit. The next morning they'd drink a mushroom tea and trip. Think about flying reindeer, I guess. That's great. I am learning so much right now. That was my response. I had no idea. If you look up Siberian Shaman Santa, you'll see pictures of it. It's wild. No, just to kind of elaborate on that so I don't sound so dismissive.
Starting point is 01:18:34 Basically, there's two views. One is that the Jews... Ian didn't make this up, by the way. Oh, I know, I know. One is that the Jews were already monotheistic. They recognized the existence of multiple spiritual beings, but they worshipped Yahweh. And then they came to Babylon and basically the Persians and the Jews went, oh, okay, we got some things in common. Cool.
Starting point is 01:18:55 Then Cyrus was like, you guys want to go back and build your temple? Your God told me to. And then the other one is that the Jews were polytheistic, came, the Zoroastrians taught the monotheism, and then they went back. But I do not like the latter option as a scholar. So Cyrus the Great was basically like, hey, Jews, let's just focus on Yahweh. I forget if it was Cyrus or Darius. It was Cyrus. I believe it was Cyrus. And then he told the Jews, like, let's just forget about the polytheists. No, the traditional argument for Jews and Christians is that the Jews were not polytheistic at that time. That they had dipped their toes into polytheism in the northern kingdom of Israel, but the southern kingdom of Judah was strictly monotheistic.
Starting point is 01:19:36 So there's a little bit of give and take to it. What about Odin? Dude's baller, even if he's pagan. But where'd he go? They just stopped. they're just like nah they went you know this this dead god on the stick is pretty powerful maybe our gods aren't that powerful and they converted and then what they got paid off by the the vatican or something did they bribe countries to become christian no the the norse got into christian territories and
Starting point is 01:20:01 basically the christians went all right if you stop worshiping your gods and start worshiping our God, we'll let you trade. We'll let you marry us. We'll let you live in our territories. And a lot of them went, okay. So it sounds a lot like what they're trying to do in Iran. Norse paganism into Christianity was a pretty peaceful transition. What is it? How did we get here? What are they trying to do in Iran? Trying to get you, hey, if you worship our God and get access to our liberal economic order trade, we just want to open up your economy we just want access to all your data i mean trump has kind of been saying that right like you're like dude let's strike a deal so that you guys can become a prosperous country i don't know if it's under the guise of like worship our god but yeah i was being hyperbolic they didn't actually say that but it sounds like that kind
Starting point is 01:20:40 of like hey join our liberal world order i think this is another reason why the liberal economic order wants wokeness. Because if you go to a deeply devout religious, like, you know, Muslim person and say, we want to normalize trade with you. They say, no, my faith, my life, my rules say this person is bad. But imagine if you went to them and said, we're going to give you anything you've ever wanted. Be a hedonist. If they didn't have strong moral convictions and they just wanted to wake up at 6 in the morning, do drugs and masturbate, like what's her face? Much easier to get them under control. Say, what do you need faith and religion for?
Starting point is 01:21:20 Who cares? Take care of yourself. Go to the gay club. You know? Here's some drugs drugs if you get people to violate their own beliefs then you got them like decadence is a huge sin in the islamic faith if your family members are decadent it shines on you as evil and corrupt so you you know it's a big big that's a big problem is don't flaunt your wealth so if they can get people to
Starting point is 01:21:41 become decadent that would be definitely i think this is why the west is trying to make palestine gay make palestine gay yeah i think yeah like there's this big effort among the woke to associate islam with being gay i'm not kidding at least in the west yeah in the west right yeah and we make the joke that like like, if you go over there, they wouldn't accept that. They are trying to force a hedonistic, degenerate reformation on Islam. Yeah, I don't have a whole lot of concern as to that working. I think that's— In the West, maybe. Yeah. Well, to be fair, remember, what was it?
Starting point is 01:22:22 Some TV show depicted a Muslimlim a female like muslim lesbian and it was like a lesbian relationship and then the woman was like i'm a muslim and then the muslim community went nuts and they were like how dare you and the media was trying to be like be gay do it because imagine how easy it is to control everybody if you're like you have no convictions you have no morals simply pleasure yourself yeah i think and they'd all fall in line i think islam has some built-in uh defenses to that which yeah well christianity should too but look what's going on in the united states christianity doesn't have the same kind of like fundamental belief system though like
Starting point is 01:23:00 with islam if you talk about leaving the religion, you can get killed for that. There's nothing like that in Christianity. So the reason that Islam is so resistant to change is because of their embrace of violence, right? It's acceptable to use violence when people blaspheme. It's acceptable to use violence if people leave the religion. It's acceptable to use violence when your daughter embarrasses you or your sister embarrasses you. There's so many killings because they ruin their virtue or whatever. So that right there is what prevents any kind of reformation in Islam, which is something we've talked about before. The reason you can't do it is because the religion itself accepts violence to prevent
Starting point is 01:23:48 those things. It used to be. That's not the case with Christianity. Catholicism used to be like that too. Catholicism, like you said about the Cathars earlier, they would stomp out violently any kind of attempted at reformation. Just because they're heresy. Just because.
Starting point is 01:24:02 Eventually the Protestantism succeeded. So it could be as such with his and we did do it back to them to be fair but just because just because there have been violent christians doesn't mean the doctrine in christianity is one that accepts violence jesus christ never said the only time we're permitted to use violence is in self-defense so the christian like sp why you like Spain, right? Remember when he said, sell your cloak and buy a sword?
Starting point is 01:24:27 Yes. The Christian Reformation happened because of the printing press, basically, as far as I can tell. That was a large part of what kicked it into high gear. New technology allows new thought. The reason that Christianity could have a Reformation
Starting point is 01:24:38 is because you could entertain ideas in Christianity that you could not entertain in Islam. Right. Like the whole even like one of the things that Christianity, one of the reasons why science was so like was was so embraced in a lot of Christian in Christian history is because, like Christ said, I am the way and the truth. If you find the truth, you'll find me. So people were encouraged to look for things that are true, not to say, this can't be true because it doesn't line up with the thing that I expected God to say. The Christian doctrine says, if this is true and it doesn't seem to line up with what Christ said, you misunderstand Christ. You misunderstand because you're the
Starting point is 01:25:22 fallible human being. So you don't have that option in Islam. Not Ian. He're the fallible human being so you don't have the that option in Islam not Ian he's not fallible not going and going back to what you were saying with like the violence I think it's it's easy to leave something when you don't feel like the the punishment is here now like you can live out the rest of your life and you're never going to feel that punishment of like oh I left God behind I don't go to church anymore who cares but if that punishment is here like you were talking, like the violence is already here, like, oh, you're thinking about leaving Islam? Okay, we'll see how it goes for you, buddy. You know, of course, it's going to be a lot harder to leave, right? But as far as, you know,
Starting point is 01:25:55 the stuff that they were trying to push on the Palestinians and the wokeness and the LGBT stuff, that's actually, in LA, it's kind of like a perfect example where for a couple years we had the Muslim community and the Christians coming together because we were pushing back hard on the woke stuff that was happening. And that's really how the whole school board stuff started, was you had Muslims and Christians coming together and saying, we do not want this stuff for our children. So there's a lot of lawsuits where names like, you know, Muslims or Christians, and they're coming together. And like, LA County is slowly learning, like, wait a minute, these religious bigots, you know, like, they're starting to unite. And it's not good, you know, it's not good that they're working together. But I actually have a really good Muslim
Starting point is 01:26:38 following of local leaders in Los Angeles. It kind of took me by surprise, because I was like, okay, well, maybe they're just online or whatever. But I remember one time I went out to the Inland Empire in California and me and my cousin went out, I think it was maybe like the 4th of July, like weekend or something. And we went out, my aunt married a Greek. And so like all my cousins are like Greek and Italian and stuff. And so we went out to like this little Middle Eastern, like meat market. And so like, you know, you had people from the Middle East there.
Starting point is 01:27:05 And as we were checking out, a woman wearing a hijab and full cloaked and stuff, and she was a Muslim, she tapped me on the shoulder and she's like, are you Anthony Kibasa? And my cousin was like, you're ishing me right now. There's no way this Muslim woman in the middle of nowhere, in this market that you've never been to, knows who you are. And she's like, hey, I really appreciate the work you're doing. And, you know, thanks for standing with Muslims on the school stuff, you know, because you've been reporting it and all that stuff.
Starting point is 01:27:31 And so, yeah, it's just it's interesting in the things that you can find similarities. It's like, hey, let's let's work together to kind of combat this wokeness. But, yeah, they're not for that at all. Like, you know, I've actually DM'd a couple of Muslim audience members, and I'm like, hey, how do you feel about, like, these people out there with, like, Palestinian flags? And now the Palestinian flag is, like, with LGBT colors, and they're like, yeah, no, no, like, no.
Starting point is 01:27:57 That's not us. These are, like, very woke, you know, liberals that are attending colleges, and they have no idea what they're talking about. And actually, last year I covered the, I don't know if you guys remember, at UCLA, there was those pro-Palestine encampments that was happening and they were kind of heading off with people that were having the Israeli flags and stuff. And eventually they got kicked out by CHP officers. But when I went into the encampment and I tried interviewing people I kept asking are you Palestinian are you Palestinian are you do you have family I probably asked over a hundred people there was not anyone there that was from Palestine or even knew anyone from Palestine or had family
Starting point is 01:28:39 that were in Palestine I had one guy tell me I'm from Palestine so I interviewed him after the interview he's like hey man I'm high as crap dude I'm not Palestinian I'm me I'm from Palestine. So I interviewed him. After the interview, he was like, hey, man, I'm high as crap, dude. I'm not Palestinian. I'm Mexican. I'm just like, dude, what the heck? So I didn't even upload the video because I'm like, I couldn't find. But they're all waving Palestinian flags and they're talking about how Palestine this and Palestine that. I couldn't find a single one.
Starting point is 01:28:59 It was all like these little anarchists, Antifa. You know, you had the Party of Socialism Liberation out there, PSL, DSA, Democratic Socialists of America. And like all the things are like, are you a Marxist? Join the revolution today. Well, it's all the myth of intersectionality. This idea that all oppressed people of all kinds somehow have something in common to fight for.
Starting point is 01:29:20 And it breaks down the second you're doing anything except class. Yeah, with Los Angeles, it's very unique because, you know, obviously there's like a big melting pot out there, so you have like a big Jewish community in Los Angeles. And so when I was covering this, usually at protests, it was being reported like Palestinians versus Jewish students and all that stuff. But I'm just like, dude, there's not a single Palestinian out here. They're waving the flags, and they have the flags full of LGBT stuff,
Starting point is 01:29:51 but I didn't meet a single one. It was just bizarre. So it's more just leftists than— Well, that's actually what's happening now in downtown LA. So you have some people saying, oh, Mexican nationals are out there. But then I'm recording recording and i'm just like dude like it's maybe like a couple of them some of them you know what i mean uh yeah there are arresting some illegals but it's the same factions all over again it's the same you see you know union people out there you see uh psl dsa antifa black lives matter los angeles chapter
Starting point is 01:30:22 they're out there you've got black people on the megaphone and they're like, no justice, no peace no racist police, whatever and I'm just like, these aren't Mexican nationals, you know, and what's so ironic about everything, if you guys have been to LA, you know that we have a lot of street vendors, right, you know what I'm talking about
Starting point is 01:30:39 they sell hot dogs, they sell ice cream, whatever, right these people are the real Mexican nationals are at these protests trying to sell stuff. They're selling flags. That's why the flags are all creased in LA because you have these Mexican street vendors selling it to them. And they're like, hey, these are brand new. You want to go wave around a flag? Here you go.
Starting point is 01:30:59 And, like, I remember that a couple months ago I was there, and I was talking to this hot dog vendor. And I'm like, hey, man, are you not afraid that DHS is right there? And they're like, nah, I don't care. Those guys are Americans. They get it. They're like, I see a great opportunity to do some capitalism right now. Right, yeah. And so I was just like, man, it was just so bizarre to me.
Starting point is 01:31:21 Because it's like, oh, Mexican nationals. And I'm like, dude, it's Antifa. And most of them are like white liberals. You know, the stereotype of the hardworking Mexican is very accurate. They are. They are out there. That is true. You saw Trump was said he's not going to deport illegal immigrants that are working in the
Starting point is 01:31:37 restaurant industry or in the farm. The farming thing. I think that's been happening in California. We've been seeing raids like workplaces. I've been thinking that maybe this is a whole other conversation. I know we're going to super chat soon, but yeah, yeah, trying to extract every illegal aspect of our society all at once will cause a house of cards collapse.
Starting point is 01:31:52 So I'm kind of down with maybe we don't deport Mexicans. Maybe the Mexicans are actually our closest ally, like our left arm, whereas the Canadians are our right arm. And they are the United Mexican States. I mean, it's a bunch of states unified. They had a revolution, like we had a revolution. They're severely independent. I do have
Starting point is 01:32:14 a quick theory on that. Sorry, I didn't mean to go for it. I have a quick theory. If you guys look up the Bracero program during World War II, so during World War II there were so many Americans being deployed overseas that the United States government came up with the Bracero program. And what it did is it allowed for millions of Mexican nationals and Canadian nationals to come and work the fields and work the industries that used to belong to Americans. And so I thought it was really weird that Donald
Starting point is 01:32:42 Trump did a 180 and said, actually, we need to leave these hard labor guys and keep them here. We need to make sure that they work in the farms, et cetera. And I'm just thinking to myself, what are the odds that he does a 180? And now he's saying that we need to keep these illegals working in these industries, right? Like the farms and the crops and crop picking, et cetera. And then just a day or two later, we're at war with Iran now. So I don't know. I just kind of like just immediately thought of back of the World War II
Starting point is 01:33:11 where there were so many Americans fighting off this war that there were like any Mexican that just walked over, he's like, here's your work permit. Here's your work permit. Here's your work. Get out on the field. We need to mass produce. They were put on assembly lines
Starting point is 01:33:24 to create the weapons and send overseas. And so I don't know. There was just like, maybe it's a long stretch, but maybe I was just thinking. I'm like, it's just really weird the timing that he did a 180. Because it's like, wait a minute. You said all illegals. You didn't just say some. But they work for their citizenship back when you were talking about that?
Starting point is 01:33:40 Yeah. So it was like, I think the program lasts like something like 20 years. And yeah, they were allowed to become U.S. citizens. Some of them were deported. I think, you know, the mainstream media kind of talks about Operation Wetback, where they were deporting. And a lot of those people that they deported were people that came under the work visas. And they say like, hey, we helped mass produce or whatever. Why are you deporting us?
Starting point is 01:34:00 But they're like, sorry, got to go back. War's over, you know. But no, I just thought it was a very interesting so who knows who knows i i hope it doesn't escalate to the point where we're sending tens of thousands of troops overseas but i guess we'll see you know it's still my sense that we're not going to end up with a lot of boots on the ground over there i hope not yeah you know i i know that it's exceedingly unpopular in the united States. Like, you're not going to get a... You are not going to get a significant portion of the United States to say, yes,
Starting point is 01:34:30 we should send Americans to the Middle East to get into combat. One of the things that bothers me about the rhetoric is when Trump's like, look, they can't have a nuclear weapon. And I think Netanyahu is also like, Iranians cannot have a... Well, first of all, they can. Just so we're clear, they can.
Starting point is 01:34:45 And if they do, there will be consequences. So talk about that. Acknowledge that they can and tell us what might happen if they do. Rather than try and be like, Dad, he said we can't have ice cream. Look, people are done being told what they can and can't do. So step up, be a leader, explain the threat, and tell us how you're going to fix it. Well, the point with the can't is they're saying that they will use force to prevent it.
Starting point is 01:35:08 I agree. And if they were clear about that and they're like, we will do, that's one thing. But to tell us they, it just can't happen. Well, no, it can. I think that's what they're saying when they're saying can't. I think they're making it clear that they will use force. I think that's what they're trying to communicate. Did you hear Trump say it?
Starting point is 01:35:22 It was like, just with this, like, look, just this exasperation, like, we just can't, okay? Dude, we're talking about thermonuclear war. What are you talking about? Of course they can. I mean, okay. Anyway, I digress. We're going to go to chat, smash the like button, share the show with literally everyone, you know. Maybe you have a friend you haven't seen since college.
Starting point is 01:35:42 Maybe he's like Ian. Call him up and say, you should watch this Ian guy. He'd get along with him. He's fun. Yeah. No uncensored show tonight. It's Friday, but we are going to read your chats, so once again, smash that like button. Let's read what you guys have to say. Shane H. Wilder, always number one,
Starting point is 01:35:58 says, happy Father's Day on Sunday to Tim and soon to be Papa Phil. Cheers. Enjoy it, homies. Also, I'm covering the Texas protests tomorrow, so prayers that Ish doesn't go sideways, please. Have a great weekend. You as well, sir. It's going to be raining out here. Good luck, brother.
Starting point is 01:36:11 So we are going to have a fun Father's Day. You know, baby is fat and happy, so that's always good. It's all that matters. She's been talking. Oh, nice. What's she saying? Nothing coherent,
Starting point is 01:36:24 but we understand what she's saying. Yeah, dude. She's babbling. Oh, nice. What's she saying? Nothing coherent, but we understand what she's saying. Yeah, dude. She's babbling. Oh, that's awesome. The tone. You can discern tone. Like, if somebody were to fake speak, you know, you can tell the emotions. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:36:37 Yeah, the intent is there. So it's understood. Yeah. Yeah. All right. What do we got? Downgraded Sim simpleton says, war is death of people, culture, and nation.
Starting point is 01:36:47 As the warmongers show themselves, remember who they are, they will be sending your sons and daughters to war, peace and love. War only feeds the devil. I like how the Romans did it. They had senators lead the armies, senators and emperors.
Starting point is 01:37:00 I would feel a lot more comfortable if they had to be in harm's way. Send Lindsey Graham. Him first. And send Mark Levin, and all these people that are saying this is actually a good thing. All right, you and your family, you go first. I would love to see. Just imagine like a bunch of troops standing on the front line and Lindsey Graham's in front of all of them giving a rousing speech.
Starting point is 01:37:20 Yeah. George Washington used to ride along the front line and encourage the troops as he was getting shot at. Yep. Like, what happened to that? They'll be putting everyone on the neural net and then Lindsey Graham will be speaking in their brain. You got this, you guys. You got this. Haven't you ever seen The Patriot with Mel Gibson?
Starting point is 01:37:34 Oh, yeah. When he's talking to Cornwallis and he's like, yeah. And he's talking to Cornwallis and he's like this this business of killing officers must stop and then he's like so long as your men are killing women and children i will order my men to kill officers on site and he goes imagine the battlefield with no officers chaos that's why they took him off the battlefield they were like let the rabble go at it we the men making decisions have to be preserved yep indeed they did not like it when we did that that's a real thing a win after officers yeah because we had rifles so we could actually shoot at them yeah what's i'm gonna say the inhumanity of two people my god no i'm gonna get the next super chat
Starting point is 01:38:22 pinochet says what are the chances this is another bay of pigs and Trump will look like he doesn't have control, just like JFK had to lie and say he knew and take responsibility? Look up JFK. Defeat is an orphan. Yep. Yeah, I don't. Everybody wants to claim responsibility in the victories, but defeat is an orphan. It's never my fault. Yep. the victories but defeat is an orphan it's never my fault yep i i still think that israel always
Starting point is 01:38:48 has to bypass with us like they they have to run intel through us because i i just truly feel like israel can't defend itself and so like even if it's going to attack it's letting us know because i feel like like hey please put your people in position in case they retaliate so big that we need your help. And then that's exactly what happened. Yeah, I think American missiles were defending Israel from missile strikes. So they have to. I just don't think Israel is as tough as people make it out to. Like Ben Shapiro.
Starting point is 01:39:19 There's like that side-by-side, right? Like a couple years ago, he's like, look, let me tell you. Let me tell you. Israel doesn't need America. Israel doesn't need America. And then it goes to today. He's like, here's why America needs to defend Israel. Israel doesn't need us. I forgot to say, okay, gang.
Starting point is 01:39:34 I stopped listening to... You know that meme where it's like 2017? You listen to Ben Shapiro, more libertarian. I actually got into politics because of Ben Shapiro. I used to listen to him every single day. And I'm like, man, your debate is great. And now it's like, I can't tell you the last time I listened to Ben Shapiro. But is he doing those college debates still? I don't think so. Is he? I don't know.
Starting point is 01:39:52 So Charlie's, here's the secret. The secret is always doing college tours. Charlie is blowing up massively. Charlie Kirk, probably the biggest conservative personality, and he's doing college tours. It makes you relevant to be on the ground talking to people. And Ben got really big when he was doing that. And all the YouTube videos popped up saying Ben Shapiro destroys liberals with logic and facts. And that was it. He did like a Jubilee thing, I think, a year ago or something. And it was big.
Starting point is 01:40:20 Two years ago. It was very big. I don't know how much he's doing that anymore. The Jordan Peterson one was bad. Did you see Jordan Peterson debates 20 Kermit the Frogs? No. Oh, man. Somebody made that video, and I watched it, and it was funny.
Starting point is 01:40:32 That's awesome. I want to see it. And Kermit was like, are you trying to sound like me, or you just sound like me? And then he's like, what do you mean, believe? Oh, my God. I did a bit on that. Like, do you believe in God? Well, when you ask that question, you've got to define, do you believe? And I'm just like, holy, dude did a bit on that. Like, do you believe in God? Well, when you ask that question, you gotta define
Starting point is 01:40:45 do you believe? And I'm just like, holy, dude, just answer the question. We did the same thing on our show on Monday. I asked my buddy who does a really good impression, I was like, so what do you think about triangles? And he was like, well, first you gotta describe what a triangle is. What are the metaphysics? Alright, how many people, can you define
Starting point is 01:41:02 do? Do? Can you? I can. I don't think you can. Do. As in, what do you want to do? I guess a context. Do you believe? Oh. Hmm.
Starting point is 01:41:12 Because you said, you have to define do. Yeah. That's what he said. So how do you define do in that context? You kick them off your show. Stupid. It's actually interesting because there is this one definition. To do something?
Starting point is 01:41:27 Like the act? The act of performing an action. Do. Oh. So when he says, do you believe, it's saying, are you taking action to yourself to believe this thing? Like, is there action among you to believe? That's what it means. That's why his debate with those 20 liberals or the atheists were so terrible
Starting point is 01:41:45 because they're like, well, you're a Christian, right? And he's like, well, that's what you're saying. Well, can you define Christian? I mean, what are you... You should have hit them with one of those. Like, well, let's break that down. Hold on here a second. Now we can talk about this for an hour. Let's break that sentence down. I mean, it would have helped if they just, you know, like, picked a Christian.
Starting point is 01:42:02 Right. That's a great point. Wes Huff, Mike Jones. Yeah. Anyone that's... You should actually believe the philosophy that you're defending in order to defend it properly. To me, it just kind of sounded like when they denied Christ three times. You know, like you will deny me three times.
Starting point is 01:42:22 He was asked, like, you're a Christian, right? I think, I don't know, I've seen reports that he himself has claimed himself as a Christian, you know? And so it's like, why not just say it? Just say, yes, I am a Christian, but I'm still learning. I don't think he is a Christian. There's an article where he quotes him and he says, I am a Christian. See, I think that that's... I never claimed that.
Starting point is 01:42:42 I think that's his semantics, because there's one thing to believe the things, right? And then he gets into the semantics of what does the word believe mean. Yeah, of course. But he says that to act in a way is to believe, right? What do you mean by act? Well, to behave in the world. It's just so pedantic. It's like define the smallest word of your sentence and it's like, ugh, I know.
Starting point is 01:43:09 Honestly, I would have loved to see Jay Dyer on that. After just getting roasted myself, I would love to see him do that exact same thing. You know what I think? I think for the modern culture wars, the younger generation is more action-oriented and more extreme. And so if you're a teenager and you're watching Ben Shapiro say, you know, actually, you're wrong about this, the Fifth Economic Council, and then like, you know, whatever. You're going like, oh, wow, this guy's smart. Then you get older and you say, I want someone to do something about it. And Ben's still not changed from who he is. Right, yeah. He's still the same person.
Starting point is 01:43:40 Right. So Ben's still going to make similar arguments. And you're like, and I don't mean to single out Ben, but literally anybody, me or otherwise. A along like the more like America first, you know what I mean? Which I'm pretty adamant about that, like America first, kind of America only really, you know, like let's put our citizens first. We've got so many people here. Let's just worry about us. And he's come around, you know, and I think it was because of, you know, movements within the Turning Point USA crowd that just kind of like, dude, we need to stop. Like remember when – I think he was doing like a cultural thing with Rob Smith.
Starting point is 01:44:36 And remember like the Catholics came up to Charlie Kirk and saying like, how does promoting like homosexuality help us win the culture wars? And they just kept showing up. They just kept showing up, these guys in suits, right? They just kept showing up and they had like the rosaries and they just kept asking them over and over again. It got to the point where like, where's Rob Smith now? He's not, like, I haven't seen him in anything Turning Point USA.
Starting point is 01:44:59 You know, so it's- Let's grab some more chats. I got kicked out of TPUSA. We got Kieran, the meat man. He says, shed to Tate. He was the best fill-in yet. Knowledgeable and good presence, but could use some experience, confidence, and maybe some more chats. I got kicked out of TPUS. We got Kieran the Meatman. He says, Shed to Tate. He was the best fill-in yet. Knowledgeable and good presence, but could use some experience, confidence,
Starting point is 01:45:08 and maybe some cast brew. Yeah, I woke up with a sinus infection. And I was like, I'm not getting up. I stayed in bed. I watched every episode of Andor. Nice. And I hate Star Wars, but a bunch of people were saying it was good,
Starting point is 01:45:23 so I figured I'd watch it, and it's really annoyingly woke. But it's good. No, I thought the first season was bad. It's just like, why is he in jail? What? They were just like, I guess he goes to jail, and then he gets mad at the Empire, and it's like, okay. And then he was like, while the world is going on, it's been like a day, and he's already in the prison system, and then like escapes it a day later.
Starting point is 01:45:50 It's just whatever. Second season's already in the prison system and then like escapes it a day later that's just whatever second season's better a lot better and there's like you know you know what i can't stand about every single show ever right now is they got to put they got to put uh gay interracial sex in it of course they do why why star wars i don't know why they do it so good about it too there was like even in the original trilogy there's such a bare bones romantic subplot yeah you're right that's not what it's about i was talking about han and leia oh but in the first one sure it's a love triangle but like it was it was there you know there was the the obligatory love triangle and everything star wars has always been awful like the originals are okay, but the fact that Luke kissed Leia... That was pretty rough. Because it wasn't his sister
Starting point is 01:46:28 until the second episode. Exactly. They didn't write it out. And Darth wasn't his father. I love George Lucas for that. Absolutely based. Start a trilogy, have no idea where it's going to end. He wrote a complete package and then it was so successful he was like, I better write a sequel. No, he wrote... Yeah, exactly.
Starting point is 01:46:44 The original sequels were going to... It was supposed to be... success was like i better write a sequel no he wrote yeah exactly well the sequel the original the original sequels were going to what was it was supposed to be i could be wrong about this it's been a while since i was reading it but after return of the jedi what george lucas actually wrote for the nine treatments like the basically elevator pitches was that the next series was they cloned luke and leia i think i think they cloned either Luke and Anakin but they made an army of Jedi clones I think it was Luke and Leia because she's also that's what the
Starting point is 01:47:10 Disney was like no no we're going to change it and then like somehow the Emperor returned and we were like what dude the last Jedi is the worst film I've ever seen I wanted to walk out of the theater plasma arcing in space and then Rian Johnson was like Jedi is the worst film I've ever seen. I wanted to walk out of the theater. Plasma
Starting point is 01:47:26 arcing in space. And then Rian Johnson was like, I subverted expectations. Like, yeah, with being bad. Because we didn't expect Star Wars to be bad. It was really not good. It was terrible. Absolutely. It just kills Snoke for no reason. I was wondering if he'd ever actually seen a Star Wars movie
Starting point is 01:47:41 by the end. I don't think he did. Which is so weird because Knives Out is a decent movie. It's a fun movie and he's done some good TV directing. He just sucks at Star Wars. What did he do? He did Looper. Is that what it was? I think so. I think he also directed a couple episodes of Breaking Bad.
Starting point is 01:47:58 Looper was interesting. That was G. Gordon Levitt. Was he in that? Bruce Willis? G. Gordon Levitt? Yeah, G. Gordon Levitt. I'm thinking of G. Edward Griffin who wrote made no sense that was um g gordon levitt was he in that yeah and uh bruce willis of gordon levitt yeah g g g gordon levitt i'm thinking of g edward griffin who wrote the creature from jackal island what's up g everard what was the one i was thinking of the hayden kirsten uh jumper yeah yeah i was mixing those up let's go what do we got here duke says i voted djt uh all three times shame on him for involving us limited though it, the only redemption is for Trump to say not another dime of he's going to say nobody attacks America and gets away with it.
Starting point is 01:48:47 And then the MAGA base is going to be like, we have to do it. And there's going to be people coming on this show and they're going to be debating like, you think that if a nation attacks our people directly that we shouldn't intervene and stop them from doing it? How dare you? That's going to be the debate. Yeah. I get very concerned with people when Trump's like, we need to do a thing. Everyone's like, of course, we need to do thing. And then the next day he's like, we need to stop doing thing.
Starting point is 01:49:09 They're like, we need to stop doing the thing. Oh, the amnesty thing. Trump's for amnesty now. And it's just like, oh, Trump came out and he was like, you know, our farmers are being hurt really badly by this. They got workers. They're good people. They've been here for 25 years. They're not criminals.
Starting point is 01:49:21 We're going to help them out. And then I'm like, oh, there he goes. Trump's for amnesty for illegals. And then a bunch of MAGA personalities were like, Trump's right about this, actually.
Starting point is 01:49:29 We don't want to be deporting. Get out of here. Jeez. Two things can be true at once. The left can be utterly insane about Trump and Trump's base can also be a cult.
Starting point is 01:49:39 Trump has a cult, but the Trump base is not. And that's what's dangerous. Maybe not the entire base, but there's definitely a cult of personality there. Trump has a lot of there's a there's a decent percentage of the people who voted for trump that are trump can do no wrong but what's dangerous for trump is that the coalition that elects him is is a disparate group i mean if it weren't for
Starting point is 01:49:57 the libertarians uh voting for trump i don't know that trump would have won yeah because he won by only like what couple percentage points yeah to be To be fair, I think the Libertarians only got like one anyway. But it's probably because Chase Oliver got like.05. But then what happened to the other two and a half percent? It went to Trump. Yeah. Yeah, I'm with you. So bombing Israel. He's not running for re-election. So what does he care, you know? Yeah. But I am not for amnesty. I don't care if you're a farmer who's been here for 20 years. And Trump is because Trump is wrong. Okay.
Starting point is 01:50:28 We could have had Ron Paul. We still could have been better. I'm pretty sure Ron Paul is for open borders. I think he was, I don't know if he was totally, he was definitely for a more porous border. Yep. I know, isn't that like the Libertarian Party stance is open borders? They came out with like a statement. Big L Libertarian Party, I think, yes, is open borders. most libertarians you talk to will not be in favor of the big L libertarians will say those are not real libertarians well any libertarian well I'll look at Phil and call him
Starting point is 01:50:53 not a real libertarian and he'll look at me and call me not a real libertarian yes a monarchy all right Rick Provost says a guy named Iran has been hitting me with a bat the bat is named Hamas the idea that the bat is hitting me and not the guy swinging it is silly. I guess a better way to put it is a guy named Iran keeps giving baseball bats to this guy named Hamas who keeps smashing up my house and beating my family. And so I was finally like, I saw the guy Iran loading up some rifles and I was like, nah, we're not having this. You're saying you like, the... Shane, you believe that? No, no, I'm saying his analogy. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:51:27 Oh, okay, gotcha. You could be like, I invited an axe murderer named Iran over. He's going to be staying here for 45 years. Why is the axe murderer attacking? And it's like, well, because you invited him into your freaking house. Who invited Iran into your house? Whoever oversaw that revolution in 79.
Starting point is 01:51:42 No, we invited a democratically elected leader into the house, and then the Muslims said no to that. On paper. Well, on paper, they elected the guy. Do you think the CIA would have stopped if they, with what they. I think the CIA could have stopped the Islamic revolution. The CIA has literally never done anything wrong. That's true, too. Which makes my argument fallible.
Starting point is 01:52:03 And I love you. Money, please. Money, please. fallible and i love you yes money please money please yeah i know that i love you they're intelligent it's in the name yeah satoshi nakamoto means uh central uh what is it central intelligence base or something like that freakish yeah you know tell me about this irani revolution thing because i've for a while i said that we they had the sh Shah. Who was it before the Shah? No, that was. So the Shah was democratic president for a long time.
Starting point is 01:52:29 The Shah was the monarch of Iran. King. Yeah. And then we funded a color revolution that deposed him. And then for a little short while, there was a democratically elected pro-Western leader who was basically a puppet of the UK and the United States. And then the the radical Islamists recognized that this was their opportunity. And they swept in and just completely converted to the entire country to a very, very, very fundamentalist version of Islam. You know, you had in the 1970s, if you look at pictures from Iran before the revolution,
Starting point is 01:53:05 you've got women wearing miniskirts. You have cars that look like American cars, people playing music in the streets. You basically cannot differentiate Iran from Italy in these pictures. And then by the end, by the 80s, it is it's ISIS. The king wouldn't play ball with the liberal economic order. The king was gone. But before the liberal economic order? No, the king was gone. But before we overthrew the king, he just wouldn't use dollars or something? Iran was a pretty modern state in the 50s. Sorry, I think you were...
Starting point is 01:53:33 No, I was going to say, Iran needs to look at modern-day Israel. Have gay parades all the time. Yeah, this is serious. This is before the revolution, man. The CIA stick their nose in there and disrupt it. Obviously, it was a kingdom, and I'm not supporting monarchy as a governmental style, but... Totally indistinguishable from
Starting point is 01:53:49 like Southern Europe. Also, Iranians are white people. Yeah. Pretty much. Just an aside, a lot of people don't realize that. Persians. What do you mean by white? I mean they're Indo-Aryan. Peach. Indo-Aryan. Indo. Indo-Aryan. Indo-Aryan, Indo-European.
Starting point is 01:54:07 Yeah. Same stock. Came out of the Iran step. Look at this one. Yeah. Oh, Iran. My people. Iran had some baddies, not going to lie.
Starting point is 01:54:17 They still do. They're just covered up. Iran, show us your beauty. The world wants you. Iran, show me your toes. Oh world wants it now. Iran, show me your toes. Oh, God. Let us commiserate. After seeing all this, I'm now in favor of invading and overthrowing Iran.
Starting point is 01:54:32 Batty's got to get let go. I got him. I got Tim to support invading Iran. Beautiful part of the world. I was saying this when they were like, Iran's got a nuclear weapon. I said, they might as well just be saying Iran's funding illegal immigration because that's a substantially more popular issue in the United States.
Starting point is 01:54:48 Coming out being like, they're going to get a nuke. People in America are like, we don't care. India and Pakistan have nukes. We don't care. Trump should have came out and said,
Starting point is 01:54:55 are those illegal immigrants? Iran, actually. Everyone would have been like, what? You know, but. But would the option be invade Iran? If we blamed it on Iran, what would we do to Iran because of it?
Starting point is 01:55:08 Nothing. Leave Iran alone. Just let them be. We want nothing to do with it. Well, no, I'm saying hypothetically, if Iran was the reason that we had so many illegal immigrants, how do we punish Iran? Do we just send all the illegal immigrants back to Iran? We do what we're doing in Mexico. Just allow them to just keep sending everything in, whatever they want. Drugs.
Starting point is 01:55:26 As much as they want. That's terrible. Alright, let's grab another chat. We got Dishwasher Safe Catheter says, in keeping with the TimCast tradition, last night we welcomed our fifth child into the world, Joshua Lucas. We only keep having babies so we can own the libs. Yeah, having babies to
Starting point is 01:55:42 own the libs. Joshua Lucas. The only reason we're having babies. This is what I do to all my liberal friends when they're sending me messages about whatever stupid politics they're spying with. Well, I have a child. Send pictures of your daughter. Just send a picture of my daughter. I'm sorry. She will outlast
Starting point is 01:55:58 you both. She will outlast us both. You said something earlier where you said something about Gen Z being more radical or more extreme. I think you said something more conservative. Not more radical or like more extreme i think you said more conservative dude not not more conservative uh they are becoming more conservative but the younger generation is more likely to call for action violence or otherwise interesting yep so it that the point being when bench piero says you know obviously we need to stop doing this thing or that thing and ban this thing. They're going, okay, I heard you. So who's going to get the hammer and go and do it? Yeah.
Starting point is 01:56:29 And so that's what they want to hear. No, I know my son, when, you know, we live in LA County and they've gone to public education, so they got to see a lot of stupid stuff. And obviously as Christians, you know, we teach them, you know, like, hey, we're not for this. We don't wave these flags. We don't believe this philosophy. We're not into the LGBT stuff, obviously. um but yeah there was a lot of instances that that i felt like maybe not radicalize them but i think it kind of like opened his eyes to like the things that were happening you know like hey dad you know like uh we're starting to see like furries at school and i'm like what the hell is a furry that's and so he actually had to teach me what a furry
Starting point is 01:57:04 was because i'm like dude i'm so sorry yeah and? And so he actually had to teach me what a furry was because I'm like, dude, I have no idea. I'm so sorry. Yeah, and so he's like, yeah, there's like these guys that are showing up to school and this is not. And I'm like, how do you feel about that? He's like, oh, I've got a group chat and we all just like make fun of them and we take pictures and this and that.
Starting point is 01:57:14 I'm like, look, man, it's good that you have like a group chat or whatever your guys. And, but, you know, I try to teach him. I'm like, look, we don't agree with it, but also don't let me get a call from school saying you're bullying the furry. You know what I mean? But hold on. Like, to be fair, the fursuit, it protects you. So, like, if I was wearing one of those, like, mascot costumes and you hit me in the face, I wouldn't notice.
Starting point is 01:57:36 So before they killed Trevor Moore, he put out a video, a song called Bullies. And it was about how we maybe went too far and we need them back. Yes. And as somebody who was mercilessly bullied in middle school, I am all for it. I am a better person for it. I would be so weird if somebody had not been there
Starting point is 01:57:55 to correct my behavior. We talked about this earlier. We were hanging out talking about how we need bullies. Yeah. And the clarification is bullies that mercilessly beat and steal. No, no, no, no. We're not talking about that. No.
Starting point is 01:58:06 But like if there's a kid who's deviating in a way that is very, very bad for them and then someone insults them for that, it's a correcting behavior that exists for a reason. The problem is when society goes insane and you're the only sane one, you'll look crazy and you'll get bullied by all the insane people. That's what's currently happening. Yeah, that's literally what's happening. I've actually got a perfect example for you, Tim. So you were talking about how these people are asking themselves, okay, I hear the problem, but what's going to happen? This actually happened.
Starting point is 01:58:33 This is a true story. So my son came home one day and he told me, dad, they just put tampon dispensers in the male bathrooms. Insane. And I'm like, okay, well, what's going on? He's like, well, nothing. It's just everyone's making a fuss about it. There's boys that are going in there.
Starting point is 01:58:46 Did you have to pay for the tampons? No, they were just free. Dude, that'd be the greatest thing. Someone would take all of them instantly. Finish your story. No, no, yeah. So here's what happened. So before they were even installed, parents were going to the school board and saying,
Starting point is 01:59:01 this is egregious. This is stupid. Why are we doing this? You're going to be confusing. and saying, this is egregious. This is stupid. Why are we doing this? You're going to be confusing. And this is woke ideology, whatever. So the school board method just didn't work because the school board ended up voting in favor of it. Then it happened.
Starting point is 01:59:13 So the next day, he's like, hey, dad, so someone went in there and they destroyed the tampon dispenser. And it kind of like, it just reminded me right now. It's like the parents, we tried the democratic way. We went to the school board and we said, we want these things out. The school board ruled, nope, we're doing it in favor. So then every single day they were installing a brand new tampon dispenser. Every single day, boys were getting in there and they were kicking the tampon dispenser
Starting point is 01:59:42 to curve it so that you couldn't dispense. No, no, no, no. What are they doing? Wait, wait, wait. Lastly, after a week and a half, they got rid of the tampon dispenser. No, no, no, no. Boys. Oh, man.
Starting point is 01:59:52 I was a teenager and I was driving the car with my friends. We were going skating. And one of our friends had gotten like, he had a tampon from his girlfriend that was like in the car or something. I don't like where the story's going. So he stuck it in a water bottle and then it it expanded, and then he whipped it out the window and it splatted on some other person's windshield, and we were all laughing. Don't do that.
Starting point is 02:00:10 That's really, really bad. Why would you do that? Because a bunch of 16-year-old boys are acting up, man. It's not a good thing to do. That could have been really dangerous. Okay? Do not do that. My point is, if I was in high school and they started putting tampons on us, I'd be, like, cranking the thing and, like, they'd be spraying out, and then we'd be you soak them and swing them and throw them at each other. Yeah, they'd be on the walls. Yeah. I'd be cranking the thing and they'd be spraying out. You soak them and swing them and throw them at each other.
Starting point is 02:00:26 They'd be on the walls. They'd be in the corners. You get the little string and you swing it. They did stuff the toilets and clog the toilets. I was telling my son, I better not get a phone call that you have been partaking. Dad, I swear it's not me.
Starting point is 02:00:42 I just watch them do it. I'm like, dude, come on. What is going on here? But no, what are you doing? You're supposed to film it while cheering them on, put on a TikTok. No,
Starting point is 02:00:49 I, it was just insane. I was just like, man, I mean, look, the, the,
Starting point is 02:00:52 the parents tried it the democratic way. We're like, all right, well, I, you know, I guess we got dispensers now. And the boys were like,
Starting point is 02:00:56 we're not having any of that. All right. We'll tamp on dispensers. All right, my friends, make sure you smash that like button, share the show with literally everyone. You know, maybe it's
Starting point is 02:01:05 a grandma you have and she remembers back before the Iranian Revolution and you can say, hey, grandma, did you know this? You probably did. Watch TimCast IRL.
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Starting point is 02:01:45 At Ian Crosland is where you'll find me. I didn't talk about it on this show because there wasn't a time, but Jesus turning water into wine. Best story in the Bible. Epic, epic scene. It's like a sitcom. Highly recommend watching that. It's John 2. John chapter 1, verse 2, I think
Starting point is 02:02:01 it was. Something like that. Anyway, I interviewed my dad. we got Father's Day coming up and I just interviewed my father a few days ago which is a long time coming man take advantage of that opportunity if your dad's here do an interview with him find out about his past my dad had a near death experience when he was 10 and he's been like closer
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