Timcast IRL - WE ARE TAKING CUBA w/ Priya Patel

Episode Date: February 28, 2026

Pihl, Ian, and Brett are joined by Priya Patel to discuss Trump floating a "friendly takeover" of Cuba, America's collapsing birthrate, a major airport banning passengers from wearing pajamas, and CNN... staffers crashing out after Paramount wins bid to obtain Warner Bros.   Hosts:  Phil @PhilThatRemains (X) | https://allthatremains.komi.io/ Ian @IanCrossland (everywhere) | https://graphene.movie/ Brett  @PopCultureCrisis  (everywhere) Producer: Carter @carterbanks (X) |   @trashhouserecords    (YT) Guest: Priya Patel @Priyaee (IG, X)

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Starting point is 00:01:23 Personally, I think that's an okay idea, but I think there's some other people here that think it's a terrible idea. The U.S. Embassy in Israel is saying, saying it's time to leave and I don't really want to talk about Israel, but apparently we're going to. CNN staffers are freaking out because of the takeover by Warner Brothers and the owners of Warner Brothers. A lot of people on X are saying things like, oh no, Donald Trump controls all of the media. And all I have to say is, well, where were you when Barack Obama controlled everything?
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Starting point is 00:03:47 venous.a.i slash tim. So smash the like button. Share the show with all of your friends. Head on over to timcast.com where you can join our Discord so you can join us in the after show and call us, call in, talk to our panel, ask us questions. You can talk about having babies because that's something that happens a lot. You can also go to rumble.com and join us there where you can watch the after show as opposed to just watching the discord. But joining us tonight to talk about all these things is Priya Patel. Hi, thanks for having me. Who are you? What do you do? My name is Priya Patel. I am a social media content creator
Starting point is 00:04:21 and political commentator. You can basically find me on all the platforms aside from only fans. Somebody asked me about that on a show recently, and I was like, no, no, no. If I have to clarify, well, certainly not on that platform. But yeah, thanks for having me. Brett's here. What is going on, guys? Yes, it's weird being here on a Friday since normally I'm here on Thursdays these days. But if you guys want to follow me, you can follow me on Onlyfans.
Starting point is 00:04:46 No, not really. Pop Culture Crisis, Monday through Friday, 3 p.m. Eastern Standard Time, which is, of course, noon Pacific, but I'm excited to get into this. Slash is here? Yep. You guys want to rock? Will you start it on the time? Only fans?
Starting point is 00:04:58 No. But it doesn't have to be sexual. It could just be like good content, like clips. I don't know that I want to give that platform any money, to be honest with you. Okay, I understand where you're coming from. Yeah, like at what cost, you know? Rake it in at what cost? The cost of supporting some crazy organization you don't believe in?
Starting point is 00:05:14 Yeah, I don't know. I think it's more typical that people do like a Patreon or something of that sort rather than only fans. I think you're right. And I'm at Ian Crossland. You can find me at Ian Crossland on the internet. Oh, also of Carter Banks. Some things are just, they cost more than money.
Starting point is 00:05:27 I'm also at Carter Banks and I'm here tonight to produce the show as always and let's take it away. All right. So starting off tonight from the hill, Trump floats friendly takeover of Cuba. President Trump on Friday suggested the U.S. could carry out a friendly takeover of Cuba as the president has used a fuel blockade to increase the pressure on the communist regime in Havana. The Cuban government is talking with us. They're in a big deal of trouble, as you know. they have no money, no anything right now. Trump told reporters, maybe we'll have a friendly takeover of Cuba. We could very well end up having a friendly takeover of Cuba.
Starting point is 00:06:02 Trump impels to fuel blockade on the island in an executive order at the end of January in a push to collapse the regime, which relies heavily on energy and food imports. The United Nations top official for Cuba warned on Wednesday that daily life on the island is becoming fragile with increased strains on health care, water services, and food distribution. U.S. officials reportedly met Thursday with a grandson of 94-year-old former President Raul Castro considered the de facto leader of the totalitarian regime on the sidelines of a conference in the Caribbean attended by Secretary of State Marco Rubio. Marco Rubio has got to be excited about this.
Starting point is 00:06:38 You know, with his Cuban heritage, he's had pretty critical words for Cuba. I think most presidents generally are fairly critical, except for maybe Barack Obama. But, you know, considering the history that the United States and Cuba has, what do you guys think the chances of Cuba becoming a territory are? I think they're relatively high and growing. And I know a lot of Cubans are
Starting point is 00:07:04 in large favor of this, whether they fled Cuba to come here or whether they're still in Cuba. I know that this is a very popular position among a lot of them. It's an interesting aspect of the immigration debate because we've talked pretty heavily about the idea of, you know, moratorium
Starting point is 00:07:21 on immigration. We can't have... Yeah, well, you know what I'm saying, right? But the people are, People who still do hold that kind of overly romanticized idea of immigration to the United States, the Cuban immigrants are the ones that they hold that for because so many of them risked so much to come here and, you know, kind of take in and really portray American values. But I somehow don't see this happening, but I'm also team nothing ever changes. So it's possible. Would Cuba becoming a territory of the United States count as change?
Starting point is 00:07:50 Yes. Yeah. All right. I wasn't sure how. We have Greenland yet. You guys paid more attention to politics and me. We don't have Greenland, but there is an agreement that is alleged to have been drawn up where the U.S. will have an increased military presence to defend against Russia and the Golden Dome is going to happen. So I think the whole Greenland thing was like the big ask that Donald Trump does.
Starting point is 00:08:11 We're just going to take the whole thing. And really what they wanted was to be able to have more influence on things like the military situation. And there's a lot of natural resources there. They wanted companies to be able to get in there. The president does a lot of these, like, for lack of better word, scare tactics where he just kind of threatened something really, really big. But we actually want a diplomatic issue or diplomatic solution for these things. We don't want all out war or anything of this sort. Like we want something to come together relatively peaceful and, you know, something that benefits both sides.
Starting point is 00:08:45 So you think he's just looking to get McDonald's into Cuba? Yeah. So what's the big ass cure then is just to get the Cuban cigars out and get them to us? I mean, look. Or he wants to, he wants to. he wants all the cars. You might want to, you know, the climate down there means that all those cars from the 50s are still in generally good condition. But I do think that I think that Donald Trump would if he could actually make it happen.
Starting point is 00:09:08 I think he would like to see Cuba become a U.S. territory. I think he probably conceives it as something like, well, we've got Puerto Rico is a U.S. territory. It's right in the same area. Why not? Kind of a deal. And also the fact that the Cuban government has been so inept because of, you know, because of, you know, of their socialist policies like the Cuban people seem to be pretty interested in getting out of there,
Starting point is 00:09:30 you know, getting on a raft made of two-liter bottles of Coke or whatever to go the 90 miles from Cuba to Miami. Yeah. So, yeah, the, what is it? The Castro regime really, really seized and stole that country for 60 years. And it sounds like, what, Raoul, did you say? Was it 93 years old, Raoul Castro?
Starting point is 00:09:48 No. He's old. I think so. Raoul Castro's like, 94. The late great Fidel Castro. brother is in charge. So I think just like, great is crazy. Just like, yeah.
Starting point is 00:09:59 You want like great in scope, not necessarily in like ethics. But sure, sure, sure. Just like we want to take Greenland to secure the Northwest Passage and we want Panama Canal to secure trade. We want Middle Eastern security to pass through the Sue. All these things. The Russians would, during the Cold War, that was where their nukes were in Cuba. I was pointed.
Starting point is 00:10:16 I was just thinking that. Yeah. And so that's a huge liability if we do erupt into some global cataclysmic war. We need to secure Haiti, Dominican Republic. Cuba, all those islands, I think, should be American. It's a very hegemonic, aggressive way to look. But when we got Cuba freed from the Spanish Empire, late 1800s, 1898, I think it was a Spanish-American war. And after that, instead of taking Cuba, and we decided we're going to make Cuba a free state.
Starting point is 00:10:41 They can do what they want. And then some communist dictator took it. So, like, at some point, you kind of got to protect your own, you know, your assets and your localities. Maybe it's what I said before. Maybe he just really wants Pitbull to do the Super Bowl halftime show. I'm so careful. If we're not, if we're going to have an American do it, we're going to have to take Cuba so that pit bull can do it. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:10:59 It does make sense with the whole Monroe doctrine, the focus on the Monroe doctrine. If you're unaware, the U.S. is kind of looking at Europe and the demographic changes over there. And they're saying in 30, 40 years, Europe's going to be a very different place because of the influx of migrants from the Middle East and North Africa. And there's not even, they're not really even sure that they share the same values that they used to. there's a lot of a lot of the stuff that's going on with free speech over there. So the U.S. has decided they're going to focus more on South America and North America and kind of enforce the Monroe Doctrine. And I mean, this does fall kind of in line with that.
Starting point is 00:11:36 What I'm wondering is that, sorry enough, I cut you up more. I almost want to call it a false flag when these Americans got killed by Cubans like four days ago or something. And I'm like overloaded with information with the news. So I didn't really look into it. I'm like, is this another false flag of Bay of Pigs? You know, the Bay of Pigs invasion. The Pigs wasn't a false flag. They tried to get Kennedy to set up a false flag to get an invasion of Cuba in the 60s,
Starting point is 00:12:00 and he wouldn't sign off on it. The Joint Chiefs wanted him. It's called Operation Northwoods. Okay. And Kennedy refused. That wasn't a false flag, though. They wanted him to stage a false flag where they would take, what was it, Americans, or take Cubans, dress them up as Americans, and then kill them.
Starting point is 00:12:13 And they would be like, look, they attacked Americans. Kennedy wouldn't do it. So I'm like, that's where my head goes to when I hear about Cubans, killed Americans. And now all of a sudden, four days later, is like, yeah, we want Cuba. I'm like, bro, what are they doing? Are they sciopping? And I'm on your, I'm on Team America here, bro. I want to stabilize the region, you know, unnecessary conflict down with that. But I mean, I'm pretty pretty hard line about, you know, Alberta can't become part of the United States. We don't want any more. We don't want
Starting point is 00:12:40 voting from countries, uh, that are generally not conservative and not, you know, not friendly to, to our system and stuff. I do think that Cubans probably would be better voters than, you know, actually then Quebec you know. Yeah, then America's People Top at, yeah. Miami would indicate that, right? Yeah, exactly. For the most part, I think though they did vote
Starting point is 00:13:04 blue in the last, their last mayor, but they flipped, right? They flipped red in 20, 24, I believe, and then yeah, they voted a, they voted a Democrat mayor to office this last November, but. Hmm. Well, I mean, does that count as flipping back blue
Starting point is 00:13:18 because they voted a Democrat mayor or what's their vote, uh, what's their representative. They had a relatively conservative mayor prior to this. So, I mean, what, who is Broward County? Yeah. Is it? I don't know. I don't know who they're, who they're representative in Congresses, though, is what I'm saying. Because that, I think that, that, that kind of matters to. I do think that it would usher in kind of a, because depending on how hard line you are on immigration, like I was saying earlier, if you're, if you're, if you're an American who's not necessarily in the space that we're in, where you talk about immigration,
Starting point is 00:13:48 the way we have, which is like caravans, what it's done to the economy, all of that. If you still have that kind of romanticized ideal, and people have been, we've been dealing with so many people coming here and hating to be here, flying the Mexican flag while protesting, you know, last summer.
Starting point is 00:14:07 So with that going on, they're protesting with Mexican flags to not be kicked out of America. The idea of people who actually want to come here and want to share the same values that we do, that's going to be very inviting to a lot of Americans who also will be scared of being told that they're racist or they're sexist
Starting point is 00:14:25 because they want to clamp down on immigration. I got a lot of crap because I said Anna DeArmis was a brown girl because she's Cuban and there are a lot of people. She's white, she's white. So I'm not sure the racist thing. Well, you point out of you say it doesn't matter. Like I don't want somebody coming from Eastern Europe either
Starting point is 00:14:40 at this point. Like nobody should be coming in. Honestly, I don't really want anybody coming here. Yeah. That's what I'm talking about. I'm a hardcore immigration Restrictionist, at least right now. 10 years.
Starting point is 00:14:51 10 year moratorium so we can get up. Dude, we did this as recently as the 1950s. Like, I don't understand why it's such a novel concept for most people. And this isn't to say that I hate all immigrants, obviously. Because people have the brains of goldfish. No, it's not that. It's literally, well, I mean, it's partially that, but it's also the hatred of America. So you saw the video.
Starting point is 00:15:11 You guys had to have talked about it the other day, but the lady who her and her partner fled to Canada, found out that the cost of, of living was too hot. Yeah, and she's... And then said, like, oh, but we respect the immigration laws here. Completely... And I was like, look, this could be the one rare example where she's far left on literally everything
Starting point is 00:15:28 except immigration, which would have been hilarious. But we can assume what her views are on immigration based on the rest of her beliefs. You can infer. And the idea that you would respect the Canadian immigration rules, but not hold the same truth for your own country, is absurd. You can blatantly ask the large majority of liberals on the street.
Starting point is 00:15:47 like, okay, if I were to go and move into Germany uninvited without proper documentation, should I be allowed to stay? And all of them will say no. We with pepper spray. Exactly. They basically confirm that you should abide by the laws of every other country when it comes to immigration except for here. That's also their own, that's their own weird white supremacy where they believe that
Starting point is 00:16:08 other people are somehow like inferior to us because of, you know, what we have as a country. So they would believe that because you're an American. and that you have a privilege, so therefore you don't have the right to do that. Somebody coming from a poor nation does have that right because they're just higher on the oppression. Well, they're just, they're coming here for a better life. Always, they're always seeking a better life. And we owe it to them as the most prosperous country in the world to just hand it to them. Even though pretty much for the rest of this country's history, we've had certain immigration laws
Starting point is 00:16:40 and customs that we've required everyone to go through so that we retain that status. retain the quality of society. Like, bro, I'm searching for a better life. Same. They're supposed to be, like, there's supposed to be, you know, certain criteria that you meet to be able to come to the United States and become a citizen. It shouldn't just be that you can get to a port of entry. And, oh, I'm going to claim asylum. Well, you came through other countries to get here.
Starting point is 00:17:03 You should be in the first safe country. And we used to have to, we used to be like, look, you know, are you a communist? Do you have affiliation with communists? And look, man, I'm all for reinstating the communist control. Act in 1953. I know there's a couple parts that the Supreme Court said were unconstitutional. They didn't say the whole thing was. So let's get on that, man, because we got problems here. Well, but like, also, look, we used to literally kick people out, even if they did come here legally, we used to kick them out of the country for not assimilating. We wouldn't employ them,
Starting point is 00:17:35 and then we'd kick them out. And honestly, we should get back to that. Because guess what? You shouldn't come here and bring your garbage third world culture and erode our culture, because that's exactly what you fled from. breach. Like, I don't, I just don't understand why this is such a novel concept for so many people. Well, can, uh, sorry, let me just ask this really quick. Puerto Ricans, can they freely travel through the United States? They're in American territory. So, and yes. Okay. So if we'd made Cuba territory, they, you talk about immigration, like it's just de facto immigration. You immigrate the population of Cuba basically. Well, I don't necessarily know that we should make Cuba an American
Starting point is 00:18:06 territory. Like, would I be in favor of doing something similar to what we just did in Venezuela? Maybe. But, like, I think we, it's important that we secure the region, but I don't know that I want to just invite a whole new country of people to just come here freely. We could just get rid of Puerto Rico and take Cuba. I would actually be in favor with that. I would trade. I would trade. Want all the islands. I want all the cigars.
Starting point is 00:18:33 Yeah, all that bananas they grow down there and sugar and whatever else. Yeah, the coffee. Yeah, Cuba coffees. So are we thumbs up or thumbs down on Cuba? Well, yes. I've been waiting for a Cuba become American my whole life. I'm just surprised it hasn't happened yet. I'm waiting for the Castro to die, I think.
Starting point is 00:18:48 I'm actually really interested in what process Donald Trump is thinking about if he, you know, because it's one thing for Donald Trump to talk about it. Oh, yeah. You know, but like how exactly is he, what does a friendly takeover look like? And obviously he didn't expand on it. So I don't think anyone really knows. It's just Donald Trump kind of bloviating. I always joke about this.
Starting point is 00:19:06 I'm like, I think the president sometimes doesn't even know what he's thinking. No. He has no idea what he's going to say. But it always works out. I mean, as far as track records go, I trust him more than any president in my lifetime when it comes to foreign policy by a long, long shot. But I think sometimes the president says things. He surprises himself.
Starting point is 00:19:26 He surprises himself. He's like, I never said that. Always in a good way. And I'm like, I'm here for it. I trust me relatively. I guess I did say that. Someone shows him the video, like, oh. Does he get back?
Starting point is 00:19:35 Well, I was right, you know? Exactly. Does he get back to Air Force One and ask, like, one of his staffers? Like, could you figure out what a friendly table? takeover would look like so I can actually have the answer next time I have to do Marco Rubio sweating constantly as soon as Donald Trump gets to the podium Marco Rubio's just like oh god I'm gonna get another job of Cuba Marco Rubio realizing he has to become Fidel Castro
Starting point is 00:19:57 at least he got a nice roll out I think a friendly takeover would be like a purchase that would be a purchase yeah what other I mean a friendly takeover kind of sounds like a polite theft almost well I'm like yeah I don't I mean that's what a hostile takeover is in business. Do you just open the doors of Guantanamo Bay and all the U.S. military just rolls out and says, okay, we're in charge now. Well, see, what I think is going to happen, I think this is the president kind of teasing something.
Starting point is 00:20:23 And then the next time it's talked about or if tensions rise between us and Cuba, it's going to be like, oh, no, we'll come kidnap your president like we did with Venezuela. It'll be way easier with Cuba than with Venezuela. But it's just going to like the message that the president is going to portray to Cuba is just going to ramp up, ramp up, ramp up. And then it's probably the actual solution is going to be somewhere in the middle. Do you guys think that Trump is hoping that this kind of rhetoric would kind of get the Cuban people to apply pressure to the government? I'm not sure how much pressure they can put on the government.
Starting point is 00:20:57 I don't know how heavy handed the Cuban government is against the Cuban people. But like, I imagine if they start to be like, hey, you know. Yeah. Yeah. It seems like a reverse big ask. This one instead of being like, we're going to invade Greenland and we're going to take it. And then he scales it back. We're like, we just want bases.
Starting point is 00:21:15 This one, he's like, hey, I just want to be friends. And then later he'll be like, come on, I already, I offered you the peaceful way. Are you sure you're not going to take peace? So he's going like the other angle? Yeah. Yeah. And yeah, I think the people are he added. I really do think the president plays 5D chess most of the time.
Starting point is 00:21:28 Like, truly. I mean, when we look at especially a lot of the negotiations when it comes to like a lot of these foreign conflicts, it, it always ends up being perfectly fine. And everyone that just fearmongers about the worst possible scenario never ends up being that way. And I'm not saying that like it couldn't happen, obviously. It very well could. We could fall into all out war with some of these nations. But obviously, well, not Cuba particularly, but just in the sense of, you know, talking about a lot of these foreign policy issues.
Starting point is 00:21:59 And there's a lot of excitement surrounding a good amount of them. Okay. That's a very, a very cheap way to put it. Yes. was it was about build a new hotel there yeah like mara gaza except for out in cuba mara gaza it's closer to home that way you know it has been i'd rather go to cuba than i've since the liberal economic order took over after world war two they prevented total war we haven't had world war three and that's really promising that it will never happen again doesn't mean it can't yeah exactly so limited you know limited conflict all over um anyway where what about i'm effervesantly concerned with shit spiraling into totalitarian, like total war. Yeah, I mean, I understand your concern.
Starting point is 00:22:40 But with Cuba, they don't have the backing that they, you know, this isn't, you know, the 60s. There's no Soviet Union. China's not interested. Russia has got their hands full with little Russia. Yeah, this isn't going to be like a missile crisis 2.0 by any means necessary. It's really just like essentially applying pressure to the government look like you either, you either fix things or we're going to come in and fix it for you. And that might that might look a little nicer depending on.
Starting point is 00:23:07 You know, how compliant you are with us. Yeah, you'll want to take our, our offers. Our package, yeah. I think he just wants to, I think he wants Burger Kings. He wants to put, or he wants to put McDonald's in there, what he wants. Put McDonald's there, bring the cigars here. Yeah, there you go. This is the exchange we're looking at.
Starting point is 00:23:22 Real free trade. It's really free trade because Donald Trump's threatening with a military invasion. Let McDonald's in. No, no, no. A friendly invasion. A gentle, nice invasion. All right. We're going to jump to this story here from the New York Times.
Starting point is 00:23:37 birth rate is plunging why some say that's a good thing because they're anti-human. The political class is worried about the historic drop, but the biggest change is among the youngest women who are the least ready to have children. We can blame it on the girls. That's fine with me. The U.S. birth rate is declining. Rose Paz's choice help explain why. Ms. Paz 22 grew up in Salt Lake City, the eldest of three children, born when her mother,
Starting point is 00:24:01 an immigrant from Mexico was 16. Her parents, a waitress and a cook, worked a lot, leaving her responsible for her younger siblings. She remembers having to skip sleepovers and birthday parties to care for them. Ms. Paz is studying for a bachelor's degree in marketing. She has a serious boyfriend, but does not want to have children now. I want to be financially stable and in a place I can call my own, she said. I saw my parents get stressed over money and I don't want my kid to experience that. Not so long ago, women like Ms. Paz in their early 20s from backgrounds that are far from privilege would have been among the most likely to have children. Now this group is a key contributor to the country's
Starting point is 00:24:34 declining birth rate, which is at an all-time low. down by over 25% since 2007. The year the fall began. Pri, do you have kids? I don't. I would love to have. Shame on you. Shame on you.
Starting point is 00:24:45 Why don't you have children? I haven't found my husband yet. Once I do, we'll get right on it. Don't you worry. So, like the way that they frame this as, you know, young women are deciding not to. That's strictly because of birth control and because of abortion.
Starting point is 00:25:02 I wouldn't say strictly, but those definitely. Largely? You know, I think they all play into each other, like those with the overall, the overarching idea or ideology behind feminism is largely a key factor in that. I think that forcing women into the workforce was essentially the start of this downfall. Yeah. There's also a nihilistic view of the way the American economy is right now.
Starting point is 00:25:31 You can't say that's not a part of it because that's affecting the men too, especially men who are still trying to hold on to the idea that they're going to have to be a provider, even if both of them are going to be working, which is what most relationships are these days. Somebody's going to have to be the main provider in that family. And there's a lot of nihilism around the idea that you're not going to own a home who wants to raise a child. If you don't actually own a home to live in, do you want to raise your kid in an apartment? Do you want to own a home as a renter where the rent can be jacked up at any point in time? They can evict you pretty easily.
Starting point is 00:26:02 Well, these days not really with squatters rules. and such like that. But the point is, it's putting the blame. I did like the part where she's like, it kind of made her seem like unserious. Like she had to skip sleepovers to like make sure her brothers and sisters don't die.
Starting point is 00:26:16 Yeah, Grammy or ever. But that is, I mean, that's an ode to American narcissism. That can be men or women. But in this case, they're framing it as a problem unique to women.
Starting point is 00:26:25 The piece goes on. It says, The decline is prompted hand-ringing among portions of the political class with some conservatives calling it the triumph of selfishness over sacrifice. A report last month by the Heritage Foundation, a conservative think tank titled Saving America by Saving the Family,
Starting point is 00:26:38 warned that when a nation fails to preserve the family, the state soon fails to preserve itself. Lord, I can't read the night. And I think that that actually is an important point, right? Like your society is made up of the people. And if you're not making more people, then you're actually allowing your society to age, decay, and you lose that vigor that comes from young people.
Starting point is 00:27:03 you lose a lot of the industriousness that comes from young people. Old people or older people tend to be kind of stuck in their ways. Young people tend to be the ones that are looking to try new things. And if you don't have that vitality in your society, your society ends up turning into, you know, it loses that kind of edge, especially in a, you know, a time where things are changing so fast. Yeah, well, look, I think that the big problem here is, you're exactly right. I mean, when people are super nihilistic, when it comes to the country and the future of the country, they're less inclined to have children, yes.
Starting point is 00:27:39 But the problem is that every single aspect of society and the government is literally rigged against the people, but specifically my generation. Like, it's incredibly, the job scarcity is a real thing. Affordability is a real thing. I mean, I live in Los Angeles, and it's incredibly unobtainable to even think about owning a home. I mean, the medium house price in California, not just Los Angeles, California is like $997,000. I've got a friend that lives in Lakewood and he's got like, he's got a small house. It's not some big thing, but it does have an upstairs and it's over a million dollars for his home. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:28:17 Well, and like, look, California is not a representation of the rest of the country, obviously. We're seeing that a lot in, you know, the affordability, gas prices, things like that. It's very much on the state and local level in that sense. But, I mean, it really is. you know, wages reflect how the location looks. And I mean, our wages are incredibly high compared to most of the country in California. But, you know, that's not reflected in, you know, how people, like, can't find homes. Like, I mean, there's so many things that have, that have contributed to these issues. But virtually every aspect of society is just rigged against people being able to
Starting point is 00:28:51 own their lives. Like, we're all, we're all kind of slaves to debt at this point because we don't own anything. Why would I ever think long term if I don't have anything for myself? I think that's the biggest issue with people of my generation. They have no stake in the game. So this is a bit of a sidetrack, but do you think that the Trump savings plans for babies that are born, right? The goal of that is to give, like when you're 18, they have a stake because they own something. Yeah. Do you think that that's going to be something that younger generations are going to, because I understand your point about Gen Z. They don't own anything so they don't feel. And this goes to the talk about socialism and capitalism.
Starting point is 00:29:29 Yeah, yeah. Like, they don't feel like they own any property, so why do they care about property rights or things like that? Whereas if you have a bank account that has money in it that when you turn 18, you can actually do something. You know, do you think that's something that is going to actually affect the opinions of the young, like people being born now? Yeah, I do think it will.
Starting point is 00:29:49 And I think it's going to affect people of my generation thinking about having kids now because people that do have that mindset maybe are a little bit more optimistic. if, you know, I, if my kid is born between the, between 2025 and 2028, or yeah, it was 2025 and 28, that they're going to have X amount in a bank the second that they turn 18, even if I don't put a cent into it. That's very hopeful for people when a lot of it is that reasoning. Like, I'm setting my kid up for a worse life than I currently have because prior generations, you work essentially to make your kids have a better life than you do.
Starting point is 00:30:26 but that's that's becoming not impossible, but that's becoming harder and harder. We're seeing a little bit of that change with this new administration, but like prior it's just been getting worse. The outcome just looks even more bleak. So I do think that that is a massive factor. And for me, I've, again, like,
Starting point is 00:30:42 I don't have kids and I'm not married, but I've said I'm like, I really want to have kids during this administration like simply for that, you know? I do believe that marriage, like, isn't the divorce rate declining slightly because people that are getting married, are getting married later
Starting point is 00:30:54 and they're being more, they're being choosier about who they actually settle down with. Like my generation, the millennials were the product of your parents got divorced, and that was kind of the song of that entire time period, right? It was the romanticization of divorce and how you get through that. So the way that it's kind of peaked into nihilism
Starting point is 00:31:13 isn't surprising to me in any way, shape, or form. And me and you have talked about this on the show before, I said, look, they're not going to go to capitalism. At least not in my opinion. They will go to ask the government for help because life has become too difficult. to figure out for most people anyways these days. And they've you seen the things where it's like you go to apply for a job at a gas station,
Starting point is 00:31:33 you have to do like a personality survey. Really? And stuff like that. It's like it is unbelievably difficult just to do the base level things to survive now. So they're nihilistic in the extreme in a lot of ways. And they're attached to social media, which is giving them the worst that humanity has to offer day in and day out. And I don't necessarily agree with the idea that you should.
Starting point is 00:31:55 fall into that type of nihilistic view of the future, if anything, being here, working here has kind of shown me what the other side of that coin is, and I was never a nihilistic person, but I get, like, our influences here aren't the norm. Like, the conservative influences aren't the majority of the country necessarily, maybe half, whatever, but, you know, there's still a lot of influence from the rest of the culture that tells them, don't do it. It's not worth it. It's not worth your time. Go ahead. Oh, no, I was just going to say, I think that I agree with you, but I think there is a clear split between the sexes in my generation. You're seeing young men go really, really hard to the right and young women go really, really hard to the left. And this is a trend that's been happening
Starting point is 00:32:36 for a long time. But it's culturally because, again, like, each side perceives the other side is rejecting them. But they're also splitting up for economic reasons. For the same reason, they're just going different directions. Like, young men are going to, like, hardcore on free market capitalism a lot of the times. And then young women, women are really going hardcore towards socialism. Well, the women are... It's for the exact same reason. It's just different goals and outcomes.
Starting point is 00:33:02 I think, I mean, I think you mentioned it, but feminism has a lot to do with it. Massively. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The idea that you can, that women should not aspire to be mother, that women should not aspire to have a family. Yeah. And I understand that, like, you know, the fact that it takes dual income to just make ends meet now, Like that's definitely true. But we got to this, or part of the reason we got to this point was because society has been telling young women that either you can have everything.
Starting point is 00:33:34 You can do both of them or you shouldn't even want to. I think Murphy Brown in the 90s when she was like, you know, a CEO and had a kid. And it was like, oh, well, I can do whatever. I can do all of it. And you know what? You can't do all of it. And that's exactly. There are people that are capable of doing all of it.
Starting point is 00:33:49 But everyone thinks they're the exception. That's the problem. They're not capable of doing it. They have someone else raising the kid. No, that is true. They have care. You've got your kid in daycare all day. And a mother should be with the kid as much as possible.
Starting point is 00:34:03 I agree. So the idea that they can do it all, no, you can't. You hire someone to do it for you. Yeah, it depends on what your idea of do it all, obviously is. But if you, yeah, want to be the boss, babe, CEO of a company and then have, you know, for kids, you're never going to be able to do that. Someone else is going to raise it. Exactly.
Starting point is 00:34:19 Or largely, you're going to be outsourcing things on a. massive scale. But the problem is, is that everyone has this, like, dream, idealistic situation for their home life or their family life or how they want to raise their kids. And most of the time, it's really unattainable, especially now in today's society with, again, like, costs of everything and, you know, just cultural norms at this point. But really, feminism largely, but a lot of the other aspects of society, when we look at the economy, everything's just rigged against the nuclear family. It's the whole goal of all of this, I'm going to sound like a conspiracy theorist, but like the whole goal of basically everything from, I mean, the last 178 years since
Starting point is 00:34:58 like the birth of feminism, basically, has been to rig people against having the conventional nuclear family. Well, yeah. I mean, not to get back into the socialism, you know, conversation, but that is the whole point. One of the tenets of Marxism was to destroy the nuclear family and get rid of that because the things that make people not want to be obedient to the state is a good family, you know, community. And if they're both working, it doubles the amount of money to go.
Starting point is 00:35:25 Also, there's a, there's a, there's a messaging issue on the right too because a lot of times people will call into question. They're like, look, it will be women on the right that are talking about the nuclear family and doing all of these things. And they're like, well, you're working at a big media company. You're Megan Kelly. You're like, are you doing everything or is somebody helping you do it? And, you know, unless you're already enamored with right wing politics where you're willing to look
Starting point is 00:35:50 that, you know, look over that and kind of. not really take it for what it is. But if you're somebody who's a lefty or you're more, I guess, undecided, you're like, eh, really? Like, that job looks like, you can be at the office a lot. Like, it rings untrue, I think. But I think a lot of the times, and not so much the Megan Kelly's, but a lot of the newer social media influences kind of in my, like, basket of things in the, in the industry, they, like, wholeheartedly reject women working while at the same time having a social media job or something of that sort. And it's like, well, you're just a hypocrite. If you're telling me that I should be the most trad wife in the world and maybe you placate like
Starting point is 00:36:30 that on the internet, but you're clearly not. You're clearly working. You're clearly, I mean, as much as people hate it, like a lot of these women, they dress up for men on the internet. Like they're not, like, you might be wearing somewhat trad looking clothing, but it's really not. It's a costume. It's weird, too. It's cosplay. And you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're basically putting on the internet the message that men want to hear a lot of the times, and you're selling yourself in one way or the other on the internet. It's so annoying when people wear costumes. I can't stand that fake shit.
Starting point is 00:37:03 Wait to the person. Wait, what message are you trying to convey? Exactly. It's like, that's what I want to know. He wants people to know that he wants to take them down to the Paradise City. Yes. And the girls are pretty. So, okay, I think they said that you want to leave the world better for your children than it was for your grandparents.
Starting point is 00:37:18 You know, like the world, it gets better every generation. Of course, like, yeah, you want to make your kids' life better than yours. Until World War I. Boomers don't. That's what people don't. Well, the boomers are the ones that screw my generation over. It's like, you're going to have to pull yourself up by the bootstress. But they're the ones that screwed everything over for us. I like the philosophy, and it's a good thing to aim at.
Starting point is 00:37:35 But like World War I, it got way worse for that generation than the generation before. Like, they had probably the worst of anybody in the last few hundred years, maybe, one of the worst industrial slaughter of humankind. And the men coming back, shell-shocked and unable to stand up straight. from their trench foot warfare. Okay, anyway, Hitler's a result of that. You get people like that come out of that. And then after that, the next generation, World War II,
Starting point is 00:37:58 they probably were a little bit better off than the silent generation. The World War I trench warfare was the most grotesque abuse. So ever since then, it's gotten better every generation until maybe people are saying this generation is the first time when things are starting to fall off. Well, yeah, obviously all of this is going to be in a somewhat way idealistic, But it's more on a practical sense, like, sure, yes, there could be some worldwide event that really screws everybody over. That's kind of something that you can't really account for on that level. But, like, I think the basic principle of this is that I don't want to raise my kids while I'm in debt in poverty.
Starting point is 00:38:34 And I don't want to die and leave my kids with a million dollars of debt because I tried to provide them a good life and I wasn't able to. You think there's like an actual, you brought up conspiracies earlier. And I wonder about like, what are these people, world economic forum? They say you want to live in the pod and eat bugs and be happy. Like, are they literally trying? Destroy families. Put your body in a vat. We'll extract the semen and the egg.
Starting point is 00:38:53 We'll find which one of you has the best genetics and extract that. Peter Thiel's at the world, maybe. And then make the best humans. Oopsies. So it's under control. So it's because otherwise you've got these rogue individuals getting married and having guns and protecting their borders. And like, how can you make sure they don't go crazy and start a world war if they have their own property and family? and things. Well, the population's not the ones that start the war. That's the governments that
Starting point is 00:39:21 the Soviets, like Lenin was, he was like a, you know, the population can rise up and cause it. So that's, that's a revolution, though. That's not, that's not a world war. I mean, you mentioned a world war. No, but it's just like the danger of a population like getting unruly, I think that's part of why weed got made illegal because it makes people question authority. And that, you know, but they're relaxing marijuana laws. Thank God. But I think that's why they're, Why did you know I for one I'm shocked
Starting point is 00:39:51 But that's like Nixon used it as a weapon To like Create order Like tamped down on the hippies And the Black Panthers They're creating too much of You know murmur That there might be a revolt
Starting point is 00:40:01 They could have you know Who knows They were communists Yeah He was right They were all communists I don't know about that Oh yeah
Starting point is 00:40:08 Black Panthers definitely were And a lot of the hippies You know the hippies That went to communes They were communists I know but you said they were all communist. It's not true. They were, they were using that to stop a potential revolution. Like, the Vietnam War was so bad. It would have been a people were ready to
Starting point is 00:40:24 it. It could have been. Yeah, could have got, could have got turned into that. Because they were communes. Regardless of their ethos, people that are smoking pot and having families, don't give a fuck about your government. Like, they are very much, I am the government. You understand? We the people control our reality together. And when you take those things away from people. So the idealistic version of communism. No, I don't think, well, maybe that's what we got going on right now, the reality of me, the people control our government. I'm pretty sure. Well, we the people vote in elected representatives, but the idea that we are all the government
Starting point is 00:40:58 is pretty. I mean, our system is like specifically not a direct democracy because we are not the government. We are the government. We have the people control this country. That's why we select people to go represent us in the moment and they'll be gone soon. That's the point. but there's a reason that we don't have a direct democracy. We were talking about this yesterday.
Starting point is 00:41:19 It was the last time they got anything done anyways. Congress can't get anything done. They got a dog show the other day as opposed to voting on the SAVE Act. But I think, I mean, look, to your point, right, the SAVE Act has like, or at least voter ID has something like 85% approval among the American people, right? Like everybody thinks that there should be, you know, that you should have to have an ID. That's something that if the American people really. were in control the way that you say, then that should be a no-brainer.
Starting point is 00:41:49 Yeah, the government had been co-opted. Sorry, I interrupt. By banks and yeah, for sure. There's, there's, the liberal economic order is a banking cartel, basically. But you were just saying that we are the government. And the point that I'm making is if it was really like that, if it was really the way that you laid it out earlier, then it would be a no-brainer that this would get passed very easily. I will never not say that we are not, I will always say we are the government. Even if they're, they have the boot on my neck, even if they have a gun on my head in a boot on my neck, I will still claim that we are the government of this country, and that's how it's always going to be. That's the point of this country. You might want
Starting point is 00:42:20 to change what the country is for a moment and pretend like you're in control or that you're the government and I'm not, but welcome to the United States. I'm the government too. Well, I mean, yeah, I agree with, or I understand your framing in the sense of you, you're going to die on the hill that we are the government in the United States. I mean, we're not, we're not the government. We elect people to represent us in the government. In this version, do I get a pension? No. Because that would be cool. No, some boomer's going to take it.
Starting point is 00:42:46 Yeah, exactly. They're going to live forever, too. They are. That's why we're never going to see a dime of social security. The thing is, it's crazy because, like, it kind of is impossible to have, like, kids right now and not have you and your wife both working full time. I mean, it's... Yeah, unless you have, like, an insane job. Right.
Starting point is 00:43:08 But that was the goal in, like, my parents' generation that's kind of unrealistic now. You just had a kid. Yes. And we both work. Oh, okay. I didn't realize the animal. All time, dude, yeah. Yeah. So, yeah, I mean, I just had a kid too and my girlfriend stays home and takes care of the stuff. But I mean, I have, I'm not, I'm the exception to the rule of apparently. So. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:43:32 But yeah, I mean, look, I do think that that the problems that Gen Z is facing are largely creations of the, not just the government, but of all. also the boomers. Like, you know, the boomers that own multiple homes and everyone looking at their, their house is their biggest investment. That's going to make them a million dollars or whatever. I don't blame them too much because they didn't know. They got snowed, man. This order really tricked and hoodwink the Americans to think it's normal to have a $1.75 gallon gas. It's normal to have all these foods from all over the, but in the background, they're like taking over countries and overthrowing governments. After 2008, when the government just started printing money like
Starting point is 00:44:09 mad and people were taking loans out at zero percent interest. and buying stocks with the reason that we have like people talk about income inequality is so terrible right now and it is really really bad a big part of the reason is because after 2008 when the government brought interest rates down to zero and kept them at zero for 10 years people that had money people that had assets would take loans out with their assets as the collateral they would take a loan out at like one or two percent or whatever they put that money in the stock market and as the stock market goes up by 10 15 percent a year they're making that money so they were literally getting money for all almost free, putting that money in the stock market just for it to grow. So people that had assets and have wealth and stuff like that, they had a huge advantage. And it's because the government decided that they were going to have that policy. And every time the government talked about raising interest rates, the stock market would take a tumble a bit. And then the government would get, oh, no, we can't do that, blah, blah, blah, blah. I think that interest rates were zero or around zero for almost a decade.
Starting point is 00:45:08 Quantitative easing was the worst policy they ever had. They should let the banks fail. There's my little point. And, like, the other thing is, is that, I mean, even though we have a massive affordability crisis and all these things, like, obtaining wealth in this country is perceivably very hard, but it's actually easier to obtain wealth in this country than any other country in the world. We're just not taught how to. Like, the financial illiteracy in this country is beyond ridiculous for how sophisticated of a society. Clarna for your burrito. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:45:36 I was thinking about, like, you know what I told me about calling you. That's exactly right. It's like we're literally taught to take on debt, but not. how to take on debt. Like, that's the problem. There's this thing, opportunity cost in economics, which is fascinating.
Starting point is 00:45:48 Like, okay, I'll go make $1,000 doing this job. But if I have to turn down a million-dollar project, then I'm actually going to lose $990,000 doing this work because the cost of opportunity is lost. And with a, oh, that's all I got. I have more. Let's address the fact that no article that ends with, and this is why it could be a good thing,
Starting point is 00:46:10 has ever been good in this year. No article. No article that starts with from the New York Times. Well, no. Maybe there's one good one, but nothing that ends with, and here's why that's a good thing, is ever good. I mean, they're telling you right off of that what you're supposed to think. Here's this thing that's clearly bad. Here's why it might not.
Starting point is 00:46:26 I remember my point. I just let me, I'll rob financial literacy. I was picturing my parents being like, well, did you go return that thing for $20 to Amazon? Did you go spend an hour of your day to go return that item? I'm like, well, I could have, if you understand economics, I can make $900. in that time period and just eat the $30 loss. And that's the opportunity cost of like how you really make money in reality. Don't chase these $20, $30 penny pinch.
Starting point is 00:46:52 Like it's so distracting and requires so much energy when there is other ways to accrue massive amounts of wealth in the background. Well, like penny wise and pound foolish, I think is like a turn for that. Yeah, but I mean, look, if you look at all the, not all, but if you look at most people that have a lot of money, they're pinching their pennies all the time. Yeah. You know, like, you're not going to. They don't let go of them.
Starting point is 00:47:13 That's the difference is that you're wasting time, like, funneling money back and forth when you legitimately should be kind of penny pinching, when you should be on a budget. You're like, oh, I need to return that thing for $10 at Target or whatever. And that's going to take an hour or whatever of my time. But people that have wealth don't even let go of that wealth for little. Yeah, I don't need to spend the money on that. Exactly. Little dumb things at Target anyways.
Starting point is 00:47:39 Why really need that? It was the cane, by the way, is what I was going to return. I'm glad that you didn't, honestly. You've been using it to, like, stretch your back in everything. Oh, yeah, it's really good. On the back of the neck, you can roll the spine with it. Oh, God. All right.
Starting point is 00:47:53 All right, we're going to jump to this story here. From the U.S. Sun, fly casual major American airport bans passengers from wearing everyday outfit. We've had enough. And it's not everyday outfit. It's literally pajamas. Like, it's the same stuff that people just mope around their house in. Unless they are giving me the absolute best flight experience in human history, the audacity of this company to do this is shocking. I was always told you shouldn't wear pajamas on a plane.
Starting point is 00:48:25 No, you shouldn't. The rest of the nines. You shouldn't wear pajamas on a plane. But flying shouldn't be a horrible experience yet it is. I agree. But if you look at, like, dudes that, like, wear track suits, right? Like, they're not. Right.
Starting point is 00:48:38 orange ones. They're not the best attire, but usually they look clean, they look kind of put together and stuff like that. You can wear comfortable clothes and not look like people in this picture here. Look at that. Come on. Come on. This is the
Starting point is 00:48:54 free market. They're paying the money. Let them decide where they're going to spend their money. So from the U.S. Sun, travelers are now banned from wearing pajamas at Tampa International Airport in Florida, according to the latest social media post from the hub. The expost shared a graphic that plainly states, it's time to ban pajamas at Tampa International Airport.
Starting point is 00:49:11 The Post references the airport's previous successful banning of crocs while calling people... Amen to that. Honestly, we should have a nationwide ban on crocs. You should... I wear crox. They are comfortable. There's nothing wrong with crocs.
Starting point is 00:49:24 Don't let anybody tell you otherwise. Look, everyone knows the story about crocs, right? The idiocry story? No. Are you familiar with the movie idiocry? Yeah. Okay, so when they were making that movie, they were looking for shoes
Starting point is 00:49:36 to have the people walking around wear and they were like they have to be ridiculous and so the the set designer or the wardrobe designer found these shoes and they looked ridiculous and they were like okay well we're going to use these and they're like well it's a small company what if they
Starting point is 00:49:52 become popular in the future and the director was like are you kidding look at these things those were crocs if you look if you watch idiocracy everybody's wearing crocs and now it's happened in reality it's the official shoe of the men and women saving your life at the hospital
Starting point is 00:50:08 It actually is. Like I said, I own two- Are they really saving your life, though? I mean, maybe. If they're doing CPR, you know. What? Guns don't kill people. Crocs don't save people.
Starting point is 00:50:20 It's the people save people. Yeah, I did. So I'm of two minds, right? Like, I don't fly wearing pajamas, right? I don't get dressed up in a suit, but I don't wear, like, I, what? The argument for men is, like, you shouldn't wear pajamas just because you're going to get pickpocketed if you've got your wallet in your pocket. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:50:37 wear something that you can actually like conceal. I just like getting through security quickly. That's why I start wearing panties. It's fine to wear vans. Vans are slip on and stuff like that. You can get away with that. But I wear jeans. Like I basically wear the same stuff that I wear all the time.
Starting point is 00:50:50 But I totally understand. Like unless you're doing like a long international flight, you know, if you're going, like you're flying Hawaii, maybe I can understand like wearing something a little more comfortable or whatever. But for the most part, do you need to wear pajamas? And I understand your argument about, Oh, you know, the seats are not comfortable. Your service is awful.
Starting point is 00:51:11 Your service is bad. You used to get a meal with your flight. You don't get the meal anymore. Again, that depends on the flight. If you're on an international flight or if you're on a long flight. Oh, so as long as you get the meal, then you can wear pajamas or you can't really. I mean, look, if you're going from Boston to Orlando, do you really need to be like, oh, man, I got to make sure that I wear? Like, this is just such a hassle to me.
Starting point is 00:51:30 Come on. Service for almost every aspect of American culture has got nothing but worse over the last 10 years. Oh, I agree with them. The flights are way cheaper now than they ever have been. No, they're not. What? You got internet on airplanes. $400, $500 for like a, you can probably fly from Boston down to Orlando for like $400.
Starting point is 00:51:50 You're $72 peanuts that you have to buy. Or if you fly like three different like connecting flights. You just got to hack it. You got to bring your own food. That's why a fanny pack, bring some meat sticks. And then they get free internet. Only drink water. Don't drink any of that garbage they hand you because then you're more exhausted when you get off the plane.
Starting point is 00:52:05 And don't eat the paper. Never drink the coffee on a plane. Why not? Because they're using it from the tanks that they never clean. Damn. Those water tanks. Okay, so you want me to drink coffee from a tank that's never clean. I'm the one who needs to dress up.
Starting point is 00:52:20 I specifically told you never to drink the coffee. But the thing is, they're offering it. So they're offering me coffee from a tank that's never cleaned, and I'm supposed to dress up. I'm not now. Just wear normal clothes. You wear what you have on right now. Do you wear pajamas? Which looks good, by the way.
Starting point is 00:52:35 I just dressed like this. Okay. That's exactly what I'm saying. I don't begrudge them. They're fine. I do begrudge them. They look homeless. That's my question.
Starting point is 00:52:43 Is this more about don't be slovenly? Yeah. Don't wear those plaid pants. Yeah, because look at the picture. Look at the picture. Like those people look. They need to meet us halfway. Look normal for polite society.
Starting point is 00:52:55 Like you wouldn't go to the store. I mean, some bums probably would, but they should be ostracized for doing so. Don't look like you're going to Walmart. Yeah, honestly. Look, there is a certain like methodonitis. clinic chic that I see at. You know what? The flying is not much better.
Starting point is 00:53:12 So you know what? I say that they're wrong. You can wear whatever you want because the airlines are guards. You're traveling through the air at 500 miles an hour. There is a certain... The thought of that is like a luxurious experience in and of itself. Exactly. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:53:27 Like, no, I mean, I think this is all right. I think it's okay. I'm going to try and test it. When I'm next time I'm in Tampa, I'm going to wear my plaid pajama pants, but I'm just gonna make it a real nice. You won't even know. I'll be like, oh, that guy's got to iron them.
Starting point is 00:53:38 The thing is for you, you do that like as a suit kind of sometimes. You used to come on the show in pajamas because that was like your thing. And then Tim's mom was like, because he just woke up. She came to you and was like, why is... She told him and then he told me.
Starting point is 00:53:51 My mom wants you to have real pants. He's like, you're an adult. Where's my theory? My theory was, who cares what people wear? That was my idea. I do. Well, okay. It's the same reason I don't really,
Starting point is 00:54:00 like, look, I don't want to see fat people walking around all the time. Amen. I don't want to see people look Aspirational, Brett. Ring back aspirational. Like I said, when they're aspirational too. It's not Sharia.
Starting point is 00:54:11 It's having norms for polite society. That's what it is. Here's my thought process. I brought it up. Who cares what people wear? And I was like, well, if I really don't care what people wear, then why don't I just wear what they're asking me to wear? So I use my own logic to.
Starting point is 00:54:27 Against yourself, yeah. Against myself. Yeah. But legitimately, like, there should be a certain standard. for polite society. Well, okay, men didn't used to be able to be shirtless until the 20s, 1920s, free the nip, you know? So should women be able to go shirtless now? No, but I also don't.
Starting point is 00:54:44 We're the ones that are arguing, or at least Pri and I are the ones that are arguing for standards, not against standards. Yeah. I don't think that men are not the problem. Standards are a bad thing. I think standards are a good thing. I'm saying that they should be held to standards too. And if they're not going to meet us at the same level, then they are. You don't, the planes don't crash.
Starting point is 00:55:01 Okay. Then what about the bikini bottoms? That's literally the bare minimum. The bare minimum is that the flight doesn't fall out of the air. It doesn't matter. My wife hates flying anyways. We drive everywhere. I don't think any of us love commercial flying.
Starting point is 00:55:14 It is an unpleasant experience, although the fact that we're able to get into a, I don't know, we're able to transport ourselves, yeah, going 500 miles an hour through the air is actually an incredible thing to think about in and of itself, obviously. I mean, the large majority of the world doesn't have. have access to this type of thing. And to be honest, market pressures are what have made flights the way they are. Yeah. People want to fly for the smallest amount of money possible. And to be honest with you, I know that they're not, maybe flights aren't the cheapest they've ever been. But I remember a time, because I'm old, when it was like every flight was like $900. And this is $900 in 1910 money,
Starting point is 00:55:57 you know, so like it used to be way more money when 2010, right? You said, 1910. I was making a joke about how old I am because I'm old. I didn't get the joke. I'm the idiot. Sorry. But yeah, like it used to be like back when they had, when you could smoke on planes, like they were really expensive.
Starting point is 00:56:16 It was really expensive for fly. You did have more room. But the reason that they've constricted the stuff, the, or limited the things that they give you is because of the price. If you want to fly for $1,500 or $2,000, you. You can sit in first class and you'll get a meal. You'll have more room. I understand that it's expensive, but the thing is, nowadays, coach flights are actually pretty reasonable.
Starting point is 00:56:42 Did you see the article the other day about the, she's like a vote. She was a former Vogue editor, I think, who's like the stylist for Zora and Mimdani, who like left first class for business because they said that the flight attendant was microaggressing her. I will volunteer's tribute to swap seats with her. No. Like, what the hell? People are so weird. Something I do on airplanes, just letting everybody know out there, when you see me at the airport, get ready for this. I'll get on the plane. I'll sit in my seat and then I'll like, when everyone's boarded, I'll look around for like an empty aisle, because sometimes there aren't always get up and go sit in the three-seat aisle. No one's ever bother me. No one cares. Well, it's open. Now they know. Well, it's open. Yeah, nobody cares. Normally. Okay. Just anyway, this story is awesome. How far is too far with violating these social norms? Because it used to be men literally could not go outside in public with their shirts off. And that was normal. And now it's normal that they can. And it would be, in my opinion, crazy to make them shirt off.
Starting point is 00:57:37 If you have your shirt off and you're walking around the mall, that's weird. Yeah. Like you're going into establishments. Yeah, I don't think you should be able to do that. No shirts, no shoes, no service. Yeah. I think most places do still abide by that. I think unless you're maybe at like in a beach town, they're probably going to be like,
Starting point is 00:57:53 dude, put a shirt on. So it's like up to the private establishment, what their dress coat is, basically. Well, yeah. I mean, I think there should be a general sense of what you should do. in polite society, not simply just in private establishments, but yeah, ultimately. Do you think bikini bottoms, like those dental floss strings up the ass are too, they're too, like, just basically public nudity? Yes.
Starting point is 00:58:14 You don't wear them, again, you don't wear them at the mall. If you're, like, on a beach in Florida and you want to wear a string bikini, you know, that's something that's, you know, it's personal preference. But again, it kind of depends on the beach, but also like, you know, because if you're in, if you're in New England, if you're at, like, Musquamacet, whatever up there, you're not going to see a lot of people rolling around with string bikini. But if you're down in in Fort Lauderdale, that's normal. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:58:36 You know, so it kind of depends on the context. They want a tan ass. I get it. I mean, I mean, I would advise against it, but yeah. Full ass tan? Just bikini, those bikini string bottoms? Yeah, the like G string. I saw it when I was like 12 and I thought it was poor. It looked like porn.
Starting point is 00:58:52 It does look like it was porn. I mean, like, also it's like you go to the air, you go to the airport. You're going to get either groped or have a photo taken of you where they're, you know, basically looking at your inside. people feel violated. You have to take your shoes off, though. I think they've removed that restriction. But the point being, like, you're like,
Starting point is 00:59:08 I have to go through all this and dress up. No, thank. Well, no, okay. I mean, I argue that we should get back to a point in society where we do dress up for these types of occasions. However, this isn't arguing for you dressing up. It's just arguing for you wearing what you're wearing. Now you're wearing wet joggers or black denim and a t-shirt and tennis shoes.
Starting point is 00:59:29 The other side of this is like For like going out in public right like it definitely is true Like you go out to a store and it does seem like nobody's trying anymore It's like does nobody even like and that's more we could take that back to like the birth crisis Discussion where it's like is nobody even signaling to the world that they're like that they take care of themselves well enough And to want to actually get together with somebody and maybe start life together But I'm speaking purely from like an angry I'm against the airline
Starting point is 00:59:57 against the airlines. When I lived in LA, I was an actor in L.A. And it, it, I stopped wanting to present myself as beautiful because it was so, it felt so fake. I was like, I just would dress the garbage. It's not, it's not even doing anything to the extent that you need to present yourself as beautiful. But like, just bare minimum aesthetically pleasing. Like, take a shower and put normal clothes on. It was a time. Don't wear sweatpants and pajamas to go to the grocery store. It was like a revolt against make people wanting me to look beautiful all the time. And I of social media is making people revolt in their private lives. Probably.
Starting point is 01:00:31 Now this is this is not, I don't think this is because of social media. I think social media makes people want to fake what they look like and they want to compete with the people that are, that they see on Instagram and stuff like. CEOs wear jeans and a T-shirt. Why can't I? It is actually true that most of the CEOs,
Starting point is 01:00:47 there was this photo of like the Netflix CEOs touring Warner, like the Warner Brothers lot and they just they're so badly dressed. It's kind of awesome. A lot of that, like the faded blue jeans and in the jacket. Yeah, they probably paid $300 for those faded blue jeans. But the fact that makes, like, people that are in, people that are wealthy nowadays because
Starting point is 01:01:06 it's so, it's so kind of invoked to hide your wealth for a lot of people, particularly people that are super, super rich. Like, you know, Bill Gates was always walking around and, like, you know, it looks like he shopped at Target. Mark Zuckerberg wears the same shirt every day to cut down on making decisions. Yeah. And, you know, there's a little bit of ex, uh, excellent. eccentricity with that, but also
Starting point is 01:01:29 like those people or that kind of kind of idea of like don't show off your wealth, don't flaunt it. I think that that's actually kind of going the way. You look at the way that Bezos dresses and the way that he behaves and stuff and he's kind of not really
Starting point is 01:01:45 ashamed of his wealth, you know? He's got the inferiority complex from being like a nerd when he was younger. They were all nerds. They were all nerd. But the rest of them stayed nerds. He has now tried to shed that scale. He's jack now. He's like, I'm going to go lift away. It was like that was the meme in like five years ago, right? It was like the meme of him when he first launched his company and he's got like the sweater vest on in the glass. I sell bucks. I mean, look. I sell whatever the guy we want. I think there's a balance to all this though. Like you can look classy and tasteful without flaunching wealth or even needing wealth in all reality. Yeah. I mean, just just don't look like a bum. That's all I ask. There was a time in my there was a time in my life when like when we were touring a lot. Right. Like and I was just like I do not. care. You know, you're constantly on planes, constantly on the bus, constantly traveling. And I was
Starting point is 01:02:32 definitely guilty of being like, I don't care. I'm wearing what's comfortable. And I think that the as I, as the band stopped kind of going as hard, because we kind of, we, you know, made our career and we didn't have to take every tour that was out there. Like, I was just like, all right, you know what? I kind of, and also I probably probably had something to do with the fact that I stopped drinking. But, like, I was like, you know what, I kind of don't want to look like a slob anymore. And I don't know if that's maturity or what, but like the idea of going to a plane or even going to Walmart. It's anywhere in public. Yeah, I'm not looking like.
Starting point is 01:03:04 I would be ashamed if I, I mean, I don't even own pajamas that look as horrendous as that. It's more about like offending other people at this point. Well, yeah, that was my point about not really wanting to have to look at obese people too. Like, and the point is, like, I don't necessarily agree in practice because I wouldn't dress that way going anywhere. You're just like at the airline. But I don't have a problem with people doing it. Because F those airlines.
Starting point is 01:03:25 Yeah, I mean, I get it, but I'm actually rather fond of Delta. The people that run the airlines or that would control this don't actually come in contact with you. So you're not giving them a little thing. This isn't even the airlines that are doing it. This is Tampa Airport. Yeah. So, you know.
Starting point is 01:03:42 You're 0.5% over your baggage weights. You now have to pay $80 extra. How did that combo come about? They're like, dude, these slobs are pissing. Do you smell those people? Was it the smell? Probably the smell. Oh, it probably was a smell, too. I mean, I've seen the last, fairly recently.
Starting point is 01:04:00 I didn't see a whole lot of this. Like these hordes of animals. I've seen a lot. The last pair of cookie monster pajamas I'm letting in here. Get out of here. But also I find that it is in like the big international airports. Like I tweeted out on my way here that I hate flying out of LAX just because I have to deal with so many foreign nationals and it's just really daunting to me.
Starting point is 01:04:22 But I think there are like things like this are worse in airports like that. Isn't there another airport you can fly out of the other than LAX? Yeah, it's just small. Yeah, they're just regional. So I'd have to have a layover or something. So it's, you know, give and take in that sense. Or national is like where? You're just hanging out, like walking around getting planes and stuff?
Starting point is 01:04:38 Yeah, well, like, I mean, tourists and things like that. People that just don't speak English. And it's like on mass. I mean, DCA is a really bad one too, you know, like. I'm partial to DCA. There was, you mentioned earlier in the show how it was uncomfortable to be around people that were speaking Spanish or speaking other languages all the time. And I didn't respond or you said something about that. No, it's not, it's not uncomfortable necessarily, but the fact that I can, that I am,
Starting point is 01:05:02 essentially have to go to establishments in America, in English speaking country, and I go to establishments that don't speak English and don't even have menus in the English language, that is a problem. Because you're a bigot. Yeah, exactly. I am a bigot, a racist, all those things. I was living in Chile for a while, and it was exhausting, not knowing the language. Just the cultural difference was exhausting, literally physically exhausting, because I couldn't communicate my ideas properly. And I fled. I ran away from Chile. I was like, I'm doing it in America. I can't take it because it was a billion. Chile's got the money. But so I understand, I highly identify with being surrounded by it. I wonder if people are feeling like cultural fatigue just because it's like
Starting point is 01:05:39 the internet. You know, you see Indians. We were talking about Indians earlier today. Like, there's all the Indian hate on the internet. And like, I get all of it. Like what? Without being, you know, it's like we're surrounded by it, without being surrounded by it. Well, but I think the problem is, is that people seriously have been so brainwashed with this idea that we have to just accept everything here. And we shouldn't, because guess what? We have the, to be honest with you, in my personal opinion, we have the most superior country and culture in the entire world, and we should be able to preserve that, as does every other country in the world. I wouldn't be able to walk into most countries as an American and not be able to or not have to abide by
Starting point is 01:06:21 their cultures and customs. I would be forced to learn the language if I was there long term. I would be shamed if I didn't. So why exactly is it something that we are forced to embrace here? Is that people bringing their cultures here eroding ours, not abiding by our basic immigration laws? And I could make a list that goes on and on about things that people do that blatantly disrespect the country when they aspire to come here.
Starting point is 01:06:46 I don't understand that. Suicidal empathy. That's exactly what it is. I think it's a, they're planning to globalize and get all these people with like one world government and they're trying to shatter the United States. I agree that that's what it is up here, but it's not down here. They're preying on the empathetic nature of the voters and the people and they're brainwashing them to think that if I don't want to, look, if I go to India, I want to and I expect to experience the Indian culture. I don't want to have to go to an American city and experience New Delhi. Like I don't. And I shouldn't. And I shouldn't. have to, and that's not how it should be, but to say that is now racist and bigoted, and everyone's been brainwashed to think that, no, I have to accept these immigrant communities
Starting point is 01:07:29 coming and taking over our American cities. And if I don't embrace that, then I am whatever word. Xenophobic? Yeah, xenophobic, racist, whatever you want to call it. Your point, the whole brainwashing thing is actually a really succinct point because the idea that having an opinion about your own country, the idea that that makes you a bigot because you say I like my own country. That's something that's actually prevalent on the left nowadays. Oh yeah, for a long time. Yeah. Yeah. And like I was, it was one of the, I think that I'm
Starting point is 01:07:57 doing one of the first things like I consider myself vastly apolitical for a very long time. Still in a lot of ways, am like a, you know, begrudgingly have to follow it because of work. But in general, I always thought it was weird how in the, you know, even in the early 2010s, maybe even earlier where I saw this good amount of people that I knew who just seemed to dislike America, despite the fact that they were born into
Starting point is 01:08:18 immense levels of privilege. Like I grew up in, I grew up in, like, Woodbury, Minnesota. So where I grew up in the city was like the first development built in that town, which is right next to like a jail. And then there was the rich side of the town, which was built after the fact, because 3M opened down there and 3M has a lot of, you know, wealthy people at that time.
Starting point is 01:08:38 And whether it was the people that I went, some of the people I went to school with, and then more that I met along the way through skating, there just seemed to be this tinge of almost embarrassment. Yeah. Yeah. And I was like, I don't, like, didn't get it. Like it didn't make sense to me. I said people come from all over the world to
Starting point is 01:08:54 you know to live here. Yeah. And when we travel like there's like there does seem to be a certain disdain for Americans. There was a time where people came to the United States where they wanted to become American. Yes. That was real. Nowadays there's a significant amount of people that come to the United States looking to extract. Yeah. So you talk about all the remittance payments that leave the country from illegal aliens or whatever. They don't come here because they want to show. the American dream. It's here to defraud the country. I mean, we can talk about even just, I mean, I know that the Somali communities in Minnesota have been such a hot topic for the last handful of months, but there, like, some journalist friends of mine uncovered, I think it was
Starting point is 01:09:31 $88 million that had gone through the Minneapolis airport and flown out of the country by the Somalis. Yeah, and it's like, they have to be moving a million dollars in cash every single day. And guess what? The entire airport is run by Somalis. So it's largely flying under the Raider. are. And that's how much they had to declare. Imagine what they didn't have to declare that was that was just funneled out of the country. So yeah, the idea that people want to come to the United States and become American. That's something that's actually, you know, it's not, yeah, it's novel. It's not the majority of people, which is, again, the reason why I want to shut down all immigration for at least a decade. And then let us just, let us just bounce back from it. Let us, let us get the
Starting point is 01:10:12 people that are here legally in either, either if they end up being essentially forfeiting, they're to the United States, which I argue a lot of them already have. They've gone against the oath that they take when they become naturalized. If you have an allegiance to a foreign nation, you should have your citizenship. You go to a protest and you're flying a foreign flag. That should be immediate deportation. Exactly. Immediate deportation.
Starting point is 01:10:36 Could not agree more. But like, aside from that, we need to get those type of people out of the country or force them to assimilate. And that's only going to happen if we have a large. Yeah, exactly. You're talking about non-citizens waving foreign flags. Yeah, you weren't talking about a citizen. No, I'm talking about citizens too. You want to deport me if I go out and wave in a Mexican flag?
Starting point is 01:10:54 Were you born in the United States? Then no, I don't have a right to deport you. But when you take an oath of citizenship to this country, you essentially say that your allegiance is to America, not a foreign nation. But there are people in Congress right now that say that their allegiance is to a foreign nation. That goes against your oath of citizenship. Well, sometimes it's, I have an oath to the ethos of the United States, the nation itself. But if someone co-ops the nation, I have a, I have a, I have a, I have a, I have a, I have a, I have a, you know, I have a, you know, I have a, you know, I have a. obligation to take it back. That's a different story. That's a different story. Maybe, but if it's my, you know, I have to justify as it too far. People think Trump has seized the country.
Starting point is 01:11:28 Some people think that. Trump's not flying a foreign flag. Trump doesn't have an allegiance to the forenation. Yeah, they do it with a suit and a smile, but they think it's like foreign. This is a totally different topic. I know, it's a different topic, but I understand your point, but this is a, it's a
Starting point is 01:11:42 very specific topic and not relative to that specific point. If you come to the United States and you become a citizen and you're naturalized right you're not you're not born here you're not a born citizen and you're flying a flag of a foreign nation at a protest and you're like you know like like like you saw in l.A there was a lot of people that were flying the mexican flag i don't care if they're if they're illegal or if they were they came here and became a citizen you should be stripped of your citizenship and deported you're if you have an allegiance to another country like the
Starting point is 01:12:12 somalis in in uh in what in michigan or minneapolis if they have an allegiance to to Somalia, go back to Somalia. Yeah, well, and I would argue if you are, if you're an immigrant to this country, whether you're legal or not, you should be stripped of your citizenship if you're defrauding the country on that large of a scale. Like those Somalis that are literally funneling money out of the country and into Africa, then yeah, you know what? You should be denaturalized and ship back to your country of origin.
Starting point is 01:12:37 I don't care if you came here. The argument that you get from the left all the time is, oh, well, you know, they bring such economic activity. They don't. They're literally taking the money they make and they're sending it out. They're not paying taxes on it. just sending it out of the United States. So it's literally just extracting wealth from the United States. Those people should have to go. Well, and on like on top of that, the argument that
Starting point is 01:12:57 they actually are producers when it comes to the economy or stimulants to the economy, they're not. Somali specifically pay like something a tenth of the taxes that the average white person in Minnesota does. So it's like you're not, they're not paying taxes. They're largely on like government benefits. They're all on, they're all on like subsidized. You shouldn't have that you shouldn't be allowed to take any kind of like if you come to the United States you shouldn't be allowed to sign up for any kind of government support or anything like that. If you come to the United States and you are allowed to stay, the reason that you're allowed to stay is because you're a benefit to the United States economically because you bring something to the country. You shouldn't be able to come
Starting point is 01:13:33 to the country and be like, now let me get on to some kind of benefits and stuff like that. You should have to be second generation. People that are what a fleeing like oppression. So that's talking about asylum and the only people that actually can get asylum or Canadians or Mexicans because the way that asylum works is as soon as you get to a country that is safe for you, if you're fleeing political oppression, if you go to your neighboring country and it's safe for you there, that's where you stop. Where you take a boat to New York? Who's taking a boat?
Starting point is 01:13:59 Who's taking a boat to New York? Someone fleeing like Nigeria. I don't know what country's in trouble right now, but someone fleeing there, they take a boat to New York. Well, they shouldn't be allowed in. They can go to another country that's bordering. That doesn't border. You're saying the only way to claim asylum is to walk over the land to get to the United States. It has to be bordering.
Starting point is 01:14:15 That's essentially what state. in Mexico is. Yeah, the asylum the way the asylum laws work is if you can go to a bordering country that's safe for you and an ocean is not a border, an ocean is an ocean. So if you can go to an island. You go to Mexico.
Starting point is 01:14:31 There were people who were flying into Mexico so they could then walk over the border. Yeah. Which is a whole lot. I mean, which it ties into it, but that's a different story. You were saying if someone's on an island and then the genocidal dictator kills, they flee the island, they have to go to Mexico before they can come to the U.S.
Starting point is 01:14:47 They can't just flee to the New York. So the only islands that I can think of that you be talking about would be Cuba. Yeah, something like that. And Cubans have been, I think that I would say, okay, we could make an exception for Cuba to entertain your argument, but otherwise. But don't they already do that with wet foot, dry foot policy? So basically they get here. If they catch them out in the ocean, they send them back. But if they make it to dry land, then they get sent for, what is it?
Starting point is 01:15:13 Miami. Miami. But I mean, so yeah, to your point, fine. But also. For the sake of argument, Cuba. But other than that, the only countries that actually have legitimate claim to asylum are Canada and Mexico. Anyone else from anywhere else, they have to stop at the first country that they come to safe. England is an island and they're not, they don't border the United States.
Starting point is 01:15:37 And you've got Wales, you've got Scotland, you've got Ireland. And also you can go to France on the tube. Plus they've got their own problems. Let them figure. Yeah. The other problem is that when you make that specific argument, we're not even talking about just bordering nations. Everyone on the left at least ties in like these Middle Eastern countries, these African
Starting point is 01:15:55 countries. And guess what? We don't have an obligation to take them in. There are hundreds of nations that are much closer to them that should be obligated to take those refugees in way before we do. With cultures that are far more similar. That's exactly right. And like, look, I can only think of maybe one country that is under actual political
Starting point is 01:16:15 persecution that we should allow refugees in from because they're compact. Yes, exactly. The whites in South Africa. Like, they would be highly compatible with our culture. But the large majority of nations on that side of the world would absolutely not be. And there are plenty of countries that they could go to to to claim asylum that would be much more compatible for them in their culture. That's where the suicidal empathy discussion comes in. Yep. It's, oh, you know, we can't let these poor people there are poor people suffering. The meme is, oh, you know,
Starting point is 01:16:41 poor child's crime. We have to tear up the Constitution and throw it away. And Instagram does that on their feed. They'll give you a dog suffering and like someone's saving a cat and then they'll give you an ad to buy something next because it gets your emotions up. It's literally a tactic. Punch the monkey. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:16:56 Punch the monster. Yeah. Punch the least. I did say that punch could probably like basically cause world peace honestly. Oh, punch could go away. I was going to say everyone's uniting over just like save little punch. What's punch? Punch is a little monkey.
Starting point is 01:17:11 Punch is the new mudang except for more depressing. Yeah. Yeah. Well, punch, the story has a happy ending. Punchy has a true. No, we talked about it today. Punch is a sigh up. Yeah. He probably is a sigh. People to say punch the monkey over there. I'm not even kidding you. People were saying it's a distraction from Epstein. He's in South Korea, isn't he? I don't know. No, he's in, oh, he's in Asia.
Starting point is 01:17:31 It wasn't Japan, was it? He's in China? Is he in China? Well, if it's China, then it's definitely a sye op. Somebody can look up. Definitely, absolutely. Yeah. What's the long and short of this? Punch the monkey.
Starting point is 01:17:43 He's a very cute monkey who got rejected by his mother. Like those Laboubu dolls? Japan. Japan. Japan. Japan's fine. Japan's fine. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:17:53 Japan's fine. No sci-up from them. I largely trust Japan. We're going to jump to this story here. What time is it? Oh, yeah. We're going to jump to this story. From the post-millennial, CNN staffers crash out over Paramount Winds bid after Paramount
Starting point is 01:18:06 wins bid to take over parent company Warner Brothers. In the wake of Warner Brothers' discovery saying that Paramounts' counteroffer to Netflix's takeover bid was the superior offer. CNN employees have expressed concern that layoffs are coming. CNN is a division of Warner Brothers discovery, meaning paramount in its head, David Ellison, will soon be overseeing the left wing news outlet. One CNN staffer told status, we are doomed. Another one said we are effed.
Starting point is 01:18:32 Yet another staffer said, everybody is reeling about the obvious things. An insider told the outlet of the mood at the news outlet, the panic at CNN right now is off the charts. They were already panicking because they hate dealing. David Zazlav, even though they work for him. I mean, their tears are delicious, but... I know, I was going to say love to rock. There was also, to the point earlier, there was things being said, like, where filmmakers are like, I don't know how I feel about, you know, them being so cozy to Trump.
Starting point is 01:18:58 And I said the same thing you did. I said, well, Ted Sarandos from Netflix has been an Obama donor. He was a Hillary donor. He was a Hillary donor. He wasn't an Obama donor. He was a Biden donor. And, of course, he, you know, hosts Obama through Obama's production company, which has an exclusive deal with Netflix.
Starting point is 01:19:14 Were they too cozy then? Yeah. Like there was a great post that was like they will never understand their own hypocrisy at the fact that like they've controlled every institution for so long that they can't imagine anything not going to way. To your point about hypocrisy, it is not hypocrisy. It is hierarchy. It is okay when we do it.
Starting point is 01:19:34 It is not okay when they do it. Yeah, rules for thee, but not for me. Look, there are reasons to be generally distrustful of any level of consolidation. I do think speaking purely from the entertainment perspective, because that's my genre or whatever, is like... Your wheelhouse. Yeah, I think that them going to Paramount is the far superior deal because they're going to focus on theatrical releases for the movies
Starting point is 01:19:58 and maybe giving more space to the television shows because they're going to focus on putting entertainment first rather than the level of political influence that goes into Netflix productions and stuff like that. But the amount of money that they've spent on this, It's $111 billion all cash offer, $31 a share, $47 billion of it coming from the Ellison's private trust. The rest of it's all debt financing. So they also take on all of Warner Brothers debt, which is like $33 billion.
Starting point is 01:20:29 And they pay the $2.8 billion breakup fee that's basically saying they have to pay Netflix for basically pulling Warner Brothers away from there. That's impressive how you got all the numbers down like that. One on one. Well, I just did a video on it earlier. or something. But the point being is like it doesn't necessarily mean it's a good thing because the best option here would be that Warner Brothers operates independently and gets to, you know, live and die on their own. But it was very clear two years ago when they started canceling projects, basically signing things off to debt so that they could get tax, you know, tax breaks on projects
Starting point is 01:21:01 that were already in being made at that time that what David Zazzov wanted to do was sell the company off. But, you know, some people don't believe that they would have passed regular. approval. A lot of people believe that if Netflix had gotten the deal that Trump's, you know, cabinet wouldn't have allowed it to go through, not to mention that part of the deal for Paramount is there's like a $7 billion insurance on there that if it doesn't pass regulatory approval, that will go to the Warner Brothers shareholders. So, I mean, consolidation is bad, but watching people at CNN worry about whether Barry Weiss is going to be their boss is actually kind of hilarious. That's one of the best parts about it.
Starting point is 01:21:41 The Postman-Milino goes on. Netflix CEO Greg Peters said on Thursday that the company was no longer pursuing Warner Brothers Discovery. The transaction we negotiated would have created shareholder value with a clear path to regulatory approval. However, we've always been disciplined and at the price required to match Paramount Skydance's latest offer, the deal is no longer financially attractive. So we are declining to match the Paramount Skydance bid. Under Netflix deal, the streaming giant was seeking only streaming HBO and their film studio of Paramount sought to acquire Warner Brothers' entire company.
Starting point is 01:22:14 The whole thing. Status said that CNN staffers are also panicking over the suddenly very real prospect that they could be working for Barry Weiss before the end of the year. In October, Paramount bought Weiss's outlet the free press for $150 million, and Weiss was made editor-in-chief of Paramount-owned CBS News. I love the fact that they're freaking out. The fact that in their mind, Barry Weiss is some like right ring wing radicals. just so funny to me. Do you think
Starting point is 01:22:42 that this is going to have an impact on their programming and their actual on-air personalities? I mean, like, I've already seen... Are they going to bring Don Lemon back? That would be hilarious. Oh, my gosh, imagine. The other funny thing about this is you'll love this is now James Gunn has to worry about working
Starting point is 01:22:58 with David Ellison, and that's... Which means that maybe you'll get the Snyderverse back. I would love... I don't want that to happen. I want that to happen. The point being that he's got that... I want to see an old Ben Affleck as old... old Batman. That's what I want. This is the
Starting point is 01:23:14 Fiat, age of Fiat. They're liquidating our assets. They're printing billions, trillions of dollars. They're corporately colluding. Now, they're consolidating the corporate power as the AI is growing underneath. And I understand it is, sometimes it's fun to laugh at your enemy's pain. But that shouldn't
Starting point is 01:23:30 distract you from what's actually happening, that this is a corporate, a gigantic, because entertainment and information flow are one in the same a lot of ways. Entertainment is a type of information flow. can be a very subversive type of information. I don't know. That's, I'm so nervous, dude. I don't know what to do about it. It's like, I'm watching it happen.
Starting point is 01:23:47 And like, what do you do? Paramount, look, Paramount isn't all good. They made Starfleet Academy. And from what I understand, everybody hates Starfleet Academy. But, of course, that's from before Ellison's tenure there. And it's very interesting. Apparently what we've learned is that no doesn't always mean no if you've got enough money. Well, no never means no if you've got enough money.
Starting point is 01:24:06 But, Ian, to your point, you're talking about AI being the underlying kind of foundation. If AI is going to make people that are creative, able to create things in a, with less friction, with less difficulty, um, how is it that the media is still going to be the giant that you say it's going to, because they're going to siphon off percentages of everything that you make, uh, five percent. You can use like Disney World, the VR realm where you get to create all the different movies of Disney with yourself as acting. You're talking about licensing. Licensing. They'll be licensing you percentage of this. It'll be $9,000 an hour. or a second if you want to use Harrison Ford in this movie or whatever.
Starting point is 01:24:43 And like, $9,000 a... Yeah, you'll be able to set your fee as an actor. Harrison Ford's probably worth about $9,000 a second. If you want them for a cameo in your movie, I don't think that's... $150,000 would be reasonable. You mean they're going to be paying Harrison Ford that money? It would be like subscription fees go to Ford,
Starting point is 01:24:57 and then they'd take a cut of that, and that's where the AI starts clipping off bits, and you get this, like, siphon class. You know, like bankers collecting interest and stuff. When these actors sign contracts with these studios now, they sign the right-of-way to, like, most of the time to their likeness. They're already being used.
Starting point is 01:25:12 The same thing is happening to the animators in the industry where basically, if you're getting hired to do animation in Hollywood right now, you're being hired to do work that is going to be used to train your replacement, which is AI. I think it should be a human right to control of your likeness. Matthew McConae has been talking about it lately, specifically. I kind of went the other round. I'm like, you know what, I'm going to make my persona free for everyone to use, like public commons and see how that goes.
Starting point is 01:25:36 But the reality is no one else, unless you opt in, should have access to using your likeness for anything, no matter what you sign. What they're actually getting is the character. That's what they'll say. Yeah, because if they're like, oh, you know, we're doing, like, for instance, you mentioned Harrison Ford, right? Harrison Ford is Indiana Jones. Harrison Ford is Han Solo.
Starting point is 01:25:54 If someone's like, I want to put Han Solo in this thing, well, the character is the property of now Disney, right? Well, and you can blame the, you know, the capitalism for that, right? Which is that back in the day, the actor reaped the benefits of this by making massive amounts of money with, you know, off the backs of these things being made for, so like you said, for Harrison Ford, whether it's Indiana Jones or whether it's on solo. Now, Disney, you know, they sign before James Earl Jones died. They have the right to his voice in perpetuity forever. They can use that voice and the companies will eventually hit a point where they're not going
Starting point is 01:26:27 to need the actors anymore. First of all, like, you're not going to see a rise of new franchises that are going to be that way, be the size of Indiana Jones or Star Wars anyways. We don't live a monoculture anymore. Yeah. Like, that's done. Like, it's going to be niche stuff online. They're already doing, they're already planning to set up. It might even be on there right now for AI uploads on Disney Plus, where you're going to
Starting point is 01:26:50 be able to make your own movies and stuff on there with various programs. Tim was ahead of the curve on that. I thought we were five years away from that. It was way sooner than that. Everything is going to happen so much faster. Disney is in a, if I, if I know, if I remember correctly, Disney is entered into an agreement with Open AI anyways to give their employees access to, AI software to do their job better.
Starting point is 01:27:10 So, you know, whatever that means at Disney, they're not good at their jobs anyways. But, yeah, this story is actually in a lot of ways. It's not actually a good thing. It's what we only think it is because we like laughing at the people who are going to be stuck working for David Ellison. Yeah, I mean, look, that's the part that's delicious about this, right? Is they're freaking out about, oh, no, we're going to be, you know, we're going to be, you know, taken into the right wing echo chamber and blah, blah, blah. And that's why I asked if you thought that the programming was going to change.
Starting point is 01:27:40 Yeah, that there will be a change in the way the programming looks. You think, I'm obvious. At the same time, like Trump said he did. Like when they did the, what was it, 60 minutes with Marjorie Taylor Green, I think it was. And Trump's like, this old, this new administration is just as bad as the old one, even though it was, you know, Ellison in 60 minutes. Well, I mean, anytime you talk to Donald Trump and it's not, you know, glazing him, he's like, no, it wasn't good, blah, blah, blah.
Starting point is 01:28:04 So, I mean, I understand that that's kind of par for the core. when it comes to Donald Trump. But when you're talking about more broadly, just the way that they treat the right, right? Because obviously, anyone on the right, they're not just on the right. They're a right-wing extremist. That's been something that's been coming out of not just Congress.
Starting point is 01:28:20 You hear Congress people and senators saying that. They've been saying it for a decade. Anything that's to the left or to the right of Hillary Clinton is a far-right extremist. But I wonder if they're actually going to start being a little more fair. And at the very least, their portrayal. It's possible that,
Starting point is 01:28:36 purely for financial reasons. I don't think it really matters anyways. I think like these institutions are dying for the most part. Like legacy media as it is isn't the cash cow that it would have been 20 or 30 years ago. Well, yeah, go ahead. No, I was going to say it's not. And the ones that are prospering are largely taking
Starting point is 01:28:55 all of the eyeballs from the other ones. Yeah, I mean, the way that technology is kind of actually manifest. It doesn't actually democracy. It's it's basically all the big names just get super huge and then like the smaller guys Find it you know kind of struggling over the you know fighting for the the pieces and and crumbs it are left over Yeah well and the cycle moves so quickly too it's like I mean we saw the rise of for example like Sydney Sweeney so quickly and it's kind of dying you know It's and it's going to continue to die like it that's that's how it's all going to be and that's why we don't have the like you said like the legacy franchises aren't going to mean anything anymore because everything so fast-paced nowadays. People don't have the, like, the tension span for it.
Starting point is 01:29:41 Hmm. I do, I do wonder what, I do look forward to seeing, you know, what kind of changes come to CNN. I do think that they're going to, they're going to make adjustments because they're not just, I mean, no one's going to, you're dying. Yeah, well, I mean, I understand that, but the point that I'm making is, like, no one's just going to be like, well, give it up, guys, you know, let's, let's go ahead and just pack it in. You know, I mean, just just spent all this money on, on, on this whole thing. They're going to be trying to cap and, you know, do what they can to make their money back and make it a profitable deal. The furthest left people already, I'm not even kidding you,
Starting point is 01:30:12 they already can consider CNN far right because David Zazlav was in charge of them. So it's like that level of delusion is, it's not tenable. You can't actually live in that world and expect people to like, like live in your reality. It's not the real world. And this is going to be, and I don't know, like you were talking earlier about the possibility that some of these companies get broken up. Like this is the, the only other deal that I can think of when I think of like, the amount of money that was moved here was like the debt financing that Disney had to acquire to buy Fox back in, what was that, 2018 or 2019.
Starting point is 01:30:46 I forget what year it was that they ended up purchasing Fox. But they haven't even made their money back on that, really. Not really. Like, all they've used it for is to make a bunch of movies that nobody watches because they didn't actually put any effort into marketing the Fox movies. They've become avant-garde things like Searchlight Pictures. And the rest of it is like basically Deadpool laughing at 20th century X-Men characters. But they're not making their money back on it, just the way Disney hasn't made their money back on Star Wars. Disney hasn't made their money back on Star Wars?
Starting point is 01:31:13 They blew that that bad. Can you imagine, like, one of the biggest franchises in film history, and they literally destroyed it. They got it for a song, too. They got it for $4 billion. That's nothing in that world. Unreal. Yeah, well, really, I mean, every single production they've had when it comes to Star Wars has been a complete train wreck. Other than maybe the first two seasons of Mandalorian, everything is just been.
Starting point is 01:31:36 been botched. A lot of people like Rogue One. Yeah, I was just going to say Rogue One was actually good. But I think honestly, Rogue One was good. And I think that the reason that people think that Rogue One was as good as it was, was the last, what, minute when Darth Vader
Starting point is 01:31:51 is going. The same people liked Andor. I mean, nobody watched it. I haven't seen it. The ones that did watch it, like it. I didn't watch it. I didn't watch it. From what I know, people really liked it. It just cost a fortune. It was like $700 million to make it. And did it make its money back? I don't even know. I don't know how you
Starting point is 01:32:06 calculate that with stuff that goes to streaming because there's no... True, because there's no direct revenue that's sourced towards that specific piece of production. Interesting. I was thinking earlier, and now it's kind of pressure it again. It's like the whole world. They want to be American. They want to come to them. Maybe they just want to siphon off what they think we got.
Starting point is 01:32:24 But like it's, we kind of have a duty now to impress the world. Like, you know, we are the best. And it's not like an ego thing. It's like our system is the best. I just happen to be lucky enough to be born here and continue to support it. but and show that they're movies and TV because that big business has been bought out by foreign entities, it seems like. I don't think they really care about Americanism. Like, Captain America was America.
Starting point is 01:32:46 Like, that was the guy fought Nazis. You know, they tried to, we just did this story the other day that basically China tried to get Marvel or to get Sony, excuse me, to take the Statue of Liberty scene out of far from, I'm sorry, out of no way home. You couldn't do it because it's like the whole last 20 minutes of the movie. Yeah. Oh, really? But yeah, I mean, there's no way you do. The movie wouldn't have made any sense. I guess they could have, like, digitally changed it somehow,
Starting point is 01:33:09 but they were never going to do that. But now no Statue of Liberty in Brand New Day coming out because they want the China release. That's insane. It's so stupid. We were talking about, you mentioned this, like the fact that China even has that kind of leverage over American companies is... A billion people, right?
Starting point is 01:33:25 Yeah, I mean... You keep, like, China keeps 75% of the box office, so you're getting scraps compared to what you get from you domestically. It's not worth it to, you know, bad. I would be bastardize American properties in American culture like that either. It destroys a lot of goodwill that people have towards them.
Starting point is 01:33:41 People got really upset when they released Black Panther in China and they put the helmet on Chattery in Bozeman so that they could hide the fact that he was black to the Chinese audience. They get inside, they sit down with their popcorn, they're like, oh, I'll just get up and a run when they see it. Did they think he was going?
Starting point is 01:33:57 Black people? Well, you know, it's, but the point was, is like, they would hear the Americans hear virtue signaling about, you know, racism and all all the things that they do here, but then they're, like, going to kowtow to China just to make a couple extra bucks. Of course. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:34:11 See C-Dance? I mean, you've seen C-Dance, this new AI. It's a Chinese AI that you might have seen the Brad Pitt fight scene with Tom Cruise. Yes, I did. The one that looks like actually quite good. So they don't really care about copyright. It seems like they're just like, no, I'll get copyright. No, they got a bunch of, like, requests from the companies to stop that.
Starting point is 01:34:29 I mean, I don't really like none of that stuff. All those fights were the same, though. Like every single, it was just. different people and it was pretty much the same camera angles and... Oh yeah. It wasn't like... The Brad Pitt one was funny just because it was like him talking about Epstein to Tom Cruise.
Starting point is 01:34:45 But otherwise the rest of it was like, it's novel because you can see John Wick fighting I guess Captain America or something like that. Yeah, but I mean that that's, you know, again, when it comes to AI, it's like every time something comes out and people are like, oh man, that's cool and then someone says, well, you know, criticize it or whatever
Starting point is 01:35:01 it's still worth remembering. This is the worst it's ever going to be. That's exactly right. It's only getting better. Make a movie. I don't want to go home and prompt a movie. Apparently, if we get five more superchats that are $5, Ian has to sing a song.
Starting point is 01:35:17 Oh. I can do that. No more super chats. I have the guitar right here. Oh. Five more. Sorry, Andrew. You want an original.
Starting point is 01:35:24 Five more five bucks. You got to wait. You can't do it yet. Then you're giving it away for free. Yeah, you got to wait. You got to force me to do it. What were you going to say? What were you going to say?
Starting point is 01:35:33 I don't even remember. I'm sorry. It was so good. Well, I was going to say, the fights were so good. You were saying they were repetitively, just different actors. Yeah, they just kind of all looked the same. It was so good that, like, why would you ever make another movie? Oh, yeah.
Starting point is 01:35:44 You don't even need cameras, so you can go 360 in a room. You don't need, like, to worry about where the cameras are positioned. Yeah, what you were talking about, how, like, I don't want to make a movie. Like, I don't want to make a movie either. And there is, I understand that people are going to be able to prompt it and stuff, but to make a coherent movie that people are going to watch. Actually, it's going to take a lot of work. That will still take, even doing it with.
Starting point is 01:36:05 the AI. It's going to take a decent amount of work. I mean, you can, you can tell, you can tell CHAPD, give me a script. And then, you know, if you just plug it in and say, okay, make this, you're going to get those weird kind of AI. You're going to still have to train the AI to. I'm still partial to, like, one of the arguments they make now is that there's no such thing as the bankable action hero or the bankable, bankable actor anymore, that directors are more bankable than actors are. Because people will go to see a Sam Ramey movie. People will go to see a Quentin Tarantino movie. I don't want to go
Starting point is 01:36:36 and online and find, you're going to get the examples, right? Where somebody that you've never heard of makes a great AI movie. But that's like just two steps too far. Like, I just, I don't. Like, I'm gonna, I'd rather go to the theaters anyways. It's kind of like subscribing to their YouTube channel.
Starting point is 01:36:52 Like they pump out good content on the weekly. You don't think that's what it's gonna become. Is that like, director is a creative world. Content is different than movies to me. Like I, like, there's a lot of people that are, you know,
Starting point is 01:37:02 that you've never heard of that I love watching their YouTube videos or listening to their podcasts, but that's not the same thing as sitting down in a movie theater and actually watching somebody tell a story. Yeah, and like, so now that, you know, Claude can do such a good job, or well, not just Claude, but AI can do such a good job at coding. You can go ahead and make your own apps.
Starting point is 01:37:21 You can say, well, I want, you know, do this. They call vibe coding. You just tell the AI what you want and tell it to do this and do that. But most people, I think, aren't interested in sitting down with the computer and saying, hey, make me an app for this. And one of the things that I think will still happen is people don't, I heard this on the Naval podcast. People don't want second best, right? So when you go and you search for something, you're not going to say, find me an app that does this. You're going to say find me the best app that
Starting point is 01:37:52 does this. So the idea that everyone's going to make a bunch of stuff and everyone's just going to watch it and stuff, no, I don't think that's true. And the reason I don't is because people are going to say, find me the best. And so you're still going to have a situation. where kind of the cream rises to the top. Marketing matters. Yeah, marketing matters, absolutely. But even if you're just doing searches and stuff, and that's why I mentioned apps,
Starting point is 01:38:12 because there's not really the marketing with that. You're just people that are looking to do things. They're going to say, make me the best of this. That's what people will use AI for. They won't say, you know, make me this app. They'll just say, hey, you know, get me the best one of these. And then you'll end up with a situation where there's one that's the best and that one gets spread around
Starting point is 01:38:32 and that's the one that people use and there'll be some people that don't like the interface or whatever. So there'll be a second one that's way down. And then after that, there's going to be a thousand apps that people were trying, but they didn't really hit the spot the way that the best did. And so it's not the best. And I think that that's going to be more,
Starting point is 01:38:49 I think that's going to be more prevalent than the idea that there's this just chaos of different movies that you could watch and stuff. And it's something that even Tim mentioned, he was like, you know, people are going to say, oh, you know, did you see blah blah blah's movie? Well, that's kind of talking about my point. It's people are word of mouth will get around and people will say, get me the best of this and I want to watch the best stuff. And it's not going to be a situation where there's just a bajillion of, you know, slop AI movies that people are watching.
Starting point is 01:39:18 There will still be a situation where people are like, oh, I want to see. Did you hear about this one? I want to see it because everyone says it's good. That makes me, I want to get rid of copyright. I don't like, I think copyright has been used insidiously to control data. Like, like, your dad had a lot of money and bought a cartoon. Now no one else can ever use it because somebody paid money. Like, it got invented by the British from what I learned, Queen Elizabeth, I think,
Starting point is 01:39:43 to control the printing of the Bibles because they wanted to make sure they owned the flow of the Bibles going out. So if you want the best, you need access to the best data set. And if it's copywritten, you can't get it. And then some secret society will be using it. So, like, I feel like we're, like, as you see with C-Dance, they don't care about copyright. right? And like, why would we hamstring ourselves if they're not? But the point that I'm making is it would be an organic thing. It wouldn't matter about copyright where people are just like, oh, I want to see this one because I heard it was really good.
Starting point is 01:40:15 Sorry, I'd interrupt, but what I would mean is like, okay, AI, build me an app like the YouTube app, but change these things. And it'll be, I cannot build an iteration of that copywritten app. Well, but that's the point. When you're talking to, when you're talking to an AI about coding, you wouldn't, you wouldn't have to make. mention YouTube. Make me a video player that'll do this, this, and this and I want this and this and this. You don't have to mention someone else's app and and the idea of a video player isn't something that's copyrighted. Like so there might be proprietary stuff that like say YouTube has or whatever. That would give you access to the content on YouTube. Yeah, that's true. Like that he's like the point he's saying is like to have like a version of it. They could let you watch YouTube. No, no, no, just a version of the data. Like if I want the code, not like everyone has to give me all their code. I'm not saying that, but we're up. against people that don't care about your code, privacy rules and laws, and they don't care if you're Tom Cruise. They're going to use you in movies anyway. The thing that I'm, when you go to like, when you are actually writing code or you're talking to an AI that can code for you, like, it's writing the code.
Starting point is 01:41:16 So you're not actually getting someone else's code. It's writing code. Well, have you ever used Suno? This is exactly where I thought this is going. And that's why I'm laughing so hard. I'll be like, hey, Suno, make me a song like the Beach Boys, but techno. And it'll be like, can't be. Yeah, because it's their song.
Starting point is 01:41:30 Make me a song. It's like, me a song. surf a rock and it's like you say everything about them just hit the nail on the head. You can't say make me a song like all that remains but you can say make me a metalcore song. Right. And there's a bunch of stuff that
Starting point is 01:41:43 But if we want the best, we got to be able to bounce off the backs of our forefathers. Why? Well I mean that's how evolution works. No, but the thing no the thing is when it's not that the AI is deciding what's best when I say that people are going to be looking for the best. People are going to decide
Starting point is 01:42:00 what is the best. They're going to like essentially just tweak things until it is quote unquote the best. Well, Brett's point about marketing, too, like, if you don't know it exists, then it wouldn't be on the ranking for the best, even if it was the best. That's more about advertising. I was going to say, it's like easy, it's easier than ever to advertise. I mean, you have the whole internet at your fingertips. The downside is everyone's advertising.
Starting point is 01:42:19 So the pool is saturated also. Correct. So again, the cream. I mean, look, from my perspective. If it's private, you can't, you can't, sorry. Well, just from my perspective, like, advertising is super important. I mean, we released our most recent record, and it was all self-financed. We did it all.
Starting point is 01:42:34 And the advertising, it was like, was as expensive as the production of the record. Which is why the music industry is the way that it is, right? Because, like, a lot of the artists, you know, for all the artists that complain about, you know, the whole that the label has on them or the movie makers who complain about, you know, the studio wanting you to look this way, it's like, look, unless you're footing the bill to market it to the public. And they never acknowledge that part of it. They're never willing to admit that, look, I want them to take a risk on my piece of avant-garde art. What I want to take none of the risk to make it. Yeah. If you want to say, look, I'll license this.
Starting point is 01:43:11 That's one thing, right? They have the license for five or seven years or whatever. So they make the lion's share of the money. But then you get ownership back. That's kind of the way that the music industry has become nowadays. If you have, especially if you're a band that has a fan base and you have a history, you know, it's easy to be like, We want a license for this long. Whereas when you're trying to start out and you're an unproven product, you have no history, you have no track record, you have no catalog.
Starting point is 01:43:38 The label's not going to be like, yeah, we'll totally give it to you. Give you, you know, here's a hundred grand to do your record. And we don't know if you're going to, if you're even going to stay together for the next six months or whatever. What was the example? Was Jojo signed like the world's worst contract? It took like 20 years for her to get her song. Yeah. I mean, and that's, you know, labels do that kind of stuff all the time.
Starting point is 01:43:56 And they're like, we sign a band for the life of the band is kind of the way that they say it. Because they want to say, we're putting all this money in up front and we'll, you know, you've got X amount of records. So, you know, or for whatever the life of the band is, every time we invest money in you and every time we spend money on marketing, you know, this, we want to make sure that we get our investment back. And a label will sign 10 bands and maybe one of them will go and do just be able to break even. Never mind make a lot of money. So it's like if a label signs 50 bands, maybe one of them will become big enough to cover the loss on all the other bands.
Starting point is 01:44:32 You were the one who told me that it was like, one ends up subsidizing pretty much all the other artists. Yeah. And so I understand artists that, you know, when they're like, oh, you know, I don't own this and I don't own and blah, blah, blah. Like, I get it. You know, we've got like tons of stuff that we don't own that we'll never own. But like at the same time, like the reason we have a career,
Starting point is 01:44:50 the reason we can still go and go on tour and know that people are going to. come. The reason that people are still listening to our Spotify, millions of times a month, is because of the effort that was put in by us writing, but also the label, you know, putting effort in and putting us into video games and getting our stuff on the radio and making sure that people were listening to our stuff, you know?
Starting point is 01:45:10 It's true of the people who end up doing a lot of genre sci-fi, right? Like, they don't end up getting residuals on a lot of the shows that they do, but they've got convention spots for life where they will be able to make money off that. For as long as they're alive, their face is going to make the money. Yeah, it's, it's, it's, the, The label really does do a lot of legwork in helping you build a career. And once you've built that career, once your name is out there, they can't take that from you.
Starting point is 01:45:33 Like, you know, they, if you, I mean, I suppose if you sign a bad contract and they own the name, that that's a terrible idea. But labels don't usually own the name of an artist. They're like, okay, we'll sign you. We'll own the music that you do for us, the music that we pay to produce, we pay for this time in the studio. We own the master tapes. But otherwise, you still have a career if you get off the label. You know that WWE owns John Cena's real name? They get a piece of everything he does, even though it's his actual real name.
Starting point is 01:46:02 He loves it. He's like he's the quintessential company dude. He's the face of WWE, essentially, and he probably will be forever. All right. I think it's about time we go to super chats. Before we get into it, I must say we have some news. Ian, we've got your goal met. So if you stay until the end, Ian's got to play at, um,
Starting point is 01:46:24 955. We'll do our outroes and then you will have the encore, take it away. All right, so smash the like button, share the show with all your friends. Go to timcast.com and become a member there, join our Discord,
Starting point is 01:46:35 and then head on over to rumble.com where you can watch the after show. There's no after show tonight. It's Friday, but it's Monday through Thursday. We spent an hour after the show talking. We have people call in from the Discord. We have an uncensored version because, well, an uncensored show
Starting point is 01:46:50 because YouTube is still kind of, you know, finicky about what you can't say. But Rumble doesn't care. So censorship can be good sometimes. No. But anyways. No, norms can be good. Yeah, there is.
Starting point is 01:47:02 Censorship if it's censoring what you're wearing. Won't you think of the kids? All right. We're going to go to where's the superchats button here. Oh, I'm so pumped for this. I saw those super chats. They were flying. They were flying in.
Starting point is 01:47:17 Yeah, it's like super chat, chat, chat. Someone chatted 499. I don't think it counted towards the $5. Oh. They intentionally left that one cent out so that you wouldn't play. It was like that girl that left me a nickel tip when I was waiting tables. Just let me know she didn't forget. There we go.
Starting point is 01:47:34 All right. Let's see here. What do we got? What do we got? Carlo Mangionic House says, Ian, are you Slash or Gary Oldman's Dracula? Oh,
Starting point is 01:47:44 that's awesome. Yeah, Gary Oldman did that. I was like going the Ozzy Osbourne route, but Phil was like, what's up, Slash? Yeah,
Starting point is 01:47:50 that's definitely the Ozzie didn't really, wasn't really known for Top Hat. Not that he hasn't worn a top hat, but that whole sunglasses and top hat is slashes signature. I think I'm slashed. Did Slash wear a trench coat on stage? Again, I don't think that it was a constant thing, but I'm sure that he has.
Starting point is 01:48:08 I mean, look, Axel Rose wore a kilt and a catcher's chest protector for one show, I remember. So, just the craziest stuff. Slash is the answer. All right, there you go. Let's see. Do-Doo-17-5's. says, it was missed before.
Starting point is 01:48:25 If this calling was never your ringtone, you suck. A.T.R. Thank you very much. I appreciate that. Cerebral Bagabon says, I'm a combat vet trying to leave a bad situation. Please need to relocate as quick as possible. Please view my give us and go page. God bless, go Trump. There we go. Someone else says, James 35, 124 says, Ian channeling slash from Guns and Roses tonight.
Starting point is 01:48:49 Yeah. Oh, it's too slashy, isn't it? It's very slashy. I mean, it's definitely slash. I just haven't seen them lately. The circle glasses and the top hat is that is exactly what Slash wore like from 1986 to like 1995. It's immediately what I thought about when I saw you. That's why I asked if there was a goal.
Starting point is 01:49:08 As a Gen Z, as a member of Gen Z knowing Slash is actually fairly impressive. Is it? Yeah. A lot of Gen Z people don't know Guns and Rose's song. Oh, that's tough. I don't know. Mine's November, Ryan. That's what you should play when we go.
Starting point is 01:49:22 I don't know it. It's really long, too. I probably shouldn't play that because it might get us copyright. Mr. Brownstone's good, too. That whole appetite for destruction album is so good. I like one in a million. All right. And what's this? S. Federali says, hold up. Is she the C.U.N. Valhalla brother, brand of Patel? I feel like that name got glossed over. No, no relation to the director of the FBI. Okay. Do you get that a lot? Do they ask you?
Starting point is 01:49:50 I do. You know what? It's so funny. I'm like, I don't, I don't. I don't. know that anyone's ever been to a hospital before or a liquor store, but the name Patel is incredibly popular. Or a liquor store. They're literally like, we all know each other. Yeah, no, I get, every single day I get, are you Kash Patel's wife, are you Kash Patel's cousin, are you Cash Patel's daughter? I'm like, nope, no relation. I've met the man one time in passing at a restaurant. Other than that, I can safely say no relation, at least to my knowledge. Make a comment about how you had the same name? I don't think so.
Starting point is 01:50:25 We were, no, I don't think so. I think whoever introduced us very briefly might have said something, but I definitely. Two Smiths aren't like, hey, Smith. Yeah, well, right. Like, have you ever encountered anybody else with a common name that does that? No, us Patels don't. Like, we, I don't know. We don't care.
Starting point is 01:50:45 It's not novel in any way, shape, or form. I'm pretty sure that I saw someone with a announcement. of having a baby and I'm trying to find out one too. There's a lot of people that want to see you sing tonight, Ian. Oh, good. Try to figure out what you should say. Very exciting. I'm going to find me with words unless you have another one.
Starting point is 01:51:01 Okay, here we go. From Tay Adams, 7049, he says, proud to announce the birth of my, wait a minute, your wife has, it says, verbatim, proud to announce the birth of my wife and my third child, area of Victoria, we sell, Baptiste. I think he has. meant proud to announce the birth of his third child. But anyways, congratulations. That's what we
Starting point is 01:51:27 love to hear. Don't worry about that, man. Like, I'm already bad enough at reading and when I'm trying to read the super chats on our show, it's just He legitimately says, proud to announce the birth of my wife and my third child. That is so awesome. I think that that, you know, sometimes YouTube is a little, or, yeah,
Starting point is 01:51:43 the YouTube app is a little funky when you're actually putting in superchats. That's the thing about life extension is you're going to be like hanging out with your great, great, great, great, great-granddaughter's best friends and they're all going to look like you're 30. It's going to be wild. Ziggarath says dating as Gen Z, especially an average-looking guy
Starting point is 01:52:00 as a hellscape, especially if you were conservative stuck in a libtard state, I would love to find a good woman and have kids with, but I'm about to give up, to be honest. Well, don't give up and definitely don't settle for an AI chat bot because you'll never get a kid out of that. You can always do
Starting point is 01:52:16 what I do, or what I did. I sent my wife a Joseph of Stalin meme. That's how I courted her. Great way to break the ice. Dark humor is like food. Not everybody gets it. There you go.
Starting point is 01:52:29 It's pretty good. Corey Richmond says, my biggest pet peeve is a grown man wearing Crocs, pajama pants, an anime hoodie with unkempt beard and hair in public, have some dignity. I completely understand that. Like, if you are a grown man
Starting point is 01:52:46 and you're wearing an outfit like that, particularly if you have a gigantic belly because they always seem to have a gigantic belly. That pops out a little bit. Yeah, and the shirt doesn't quite cover it. And everyone has to look at their underbelly. It's disgusting. I completely agree.
Starting point is 01:53:01 You should have some dignity and respect to yourself. Unless you're at the airport, then wear whatever you want. No, no, don't listen to him. Don't listen to him. Anything. No. Let's see. Less obesity and less pajamas in public.
Starting point is 01:53:14 That's right. Go to the gym. Put the fork down. Andrea says, Phil, what do you make? of people like me. Millennial Christian, conservative, grew up with 4chan. Well, there's your problem. Stuck in Quebecistan, all I want is to be a hillbilly in the woods with my dog, chickens and guns, don't care about voting. I mean, look, man, I'm still of the opinion that we should shut the border down. But if you snuck in and you lived in the woods in like Vermont or in
Starting point is 01:53:41 New Hampshire. Yeah, you get deported less. I mean, look, if you stay in the woods, I might never find you. Just completely off grid. Off grid. If you get yourself some chickens, go into town once a month, you know. If you're up in the hills up in northern New Hampshire, or in Maine. Maine's got a lot of woods up there. The Unabomber was doing. I don't think he was, yeah.
Starting point is 01:54:03 It's a great comparison. Yeah. You could probably fly under the radar if you do that. So, you know, stay out of the cities, you know. Let's see. There's a lot of people that are like, someone please give you in a guitar. How much for Ian not to sing? No, no, no, no, no, no.
Starting point is 01:54:21 That's the goal. 10 more $10 super chats, and Ian won't. It's like one large $1,000 super chat, just to silence you forever. That'd be tough. That'd be a good one. Omega Ratsu says, sorry, but feminism existed since the French Revolution, and Marx plagiarized Flora Tristan, and she got her cues from the French. Flora Tristan, 1843, Workers of the World Unite.
Starting point is 01:54:45 Mark's copied in 1848. Look, man, there is socialism that is not Marxist, socialism and I completely understand that the French Revolution was kind of really where socialism kind of started off I kind of there was there were people that influenced Rousseau but Rousseau kind of really made it popular with the whole like man is actually you know separated from his work and we need to make you know men closer to what they were when they were not living in cities and stuff so I understand what you're saying you your point is well taken you're completely right but I do think that it It makes sense to kind of attribute Marx when it comes to talking about communism.
Starting point is 01:55:21 Most of your socialist nowadays are Marxists of some kind. But again, you know, even modern socialism, modern communists, they're the gay race communists. They're more, you know, influenced by Mark Hughes and Foucault and the postmodernist school. So, but again, like I said, I'm not not hating on your comment. You're right. Cabbage Rolls says communism is a lie. There's never been a political system in the world where people had more power than in the USA.
Starting point is 01:55:48 Communism is worse than a monarchy. I agree generally. You know, let's see. St. Tuther. Ian, I have made an NPC for a D&D campaign inspired by you using an AI tool called Quest Portal. He is a wood elf bard named Ian of the Crosslands.
Starting point is 01:56:07 Take care and rock on Ian. Love you, bro. That is awesome, dude. Yeah, follow up. Let me know later how, how, accurate it is. Poppins Patch video says Seems like broken window theory. If you dress well,
Starting point is 01:56:20 you ideally behave better and encourage others to do so. If you allow your environment to be trashy, more trashy behavior will be seen as acceptable. I agree with that too. If you take pride in yourself,
Starting point is 01:56:32 then other people will treat you that way. And that's also one other thing is if you're out in public and I understand, Brett, I know. If your airport is a tenement. But if you're in public and you look put together and you look well-dressed,
Starting point is 01:56:46 you are going to have people, you are going to have people respond to you differently than if you look unkempt and if you look like you're kind of a pile of dirty clothes. Absolutely. All right, well, it is five, four minutes of, Ian. You want to do the... Let's do the, let's do outro first,
Starting point is 01:57:03 and that we'll do Ian at that little. Priya, do you have anything you want to shout out or anything to tell people where they can find you? You can find me on pretty much all the social media apps. It's always my first name, followed by two E's, P-R-I-Y-A-E, and yeah, thanks for having me. Thank you very much. Guys, if you want to follow me, I am on Instagram and on X at Brett Dasevic on both of those platforms.
Starting point is 01:57:23 And what you should do is check out Pop Culture Crisis. We are live Monday through Friday, 3 p.m. Eastern Standard Time, which is, of course, noon Pacific, YouTube or Rumble, and you can listen to it on Spotify and all audio platforms as well. Thanks, thanks, guys. Ian Crossland. Oh, Carter. Sorry, don't cut you off. No, no. For today, I'll just go first, and then I'll, oh.
Starting point is 01:57:42 I like you to go to circle. And then Phil gets to go, Phil and then Tim. Yeah, let me plug my crap. So, yeah, I am Carter Banks. You can follow me everywhere at Carter Banks on Instagram, no, except for Instagram where someone's been sitting on my URL name, and there's a 4-all at the end of it. And follow Trash House Records on YouTube at Trash House Records, Phil. I am, Phil the Remains on Twix.
Starting point is 01:58:06 You can check out my Patreon where I've been writing a little op-ed pieces lately. That's patreon.com slash fill the remains. The band is All The Remains. We're going on tour this spring. We're going out with Born of Osiris and Dead Eyes. You can go to All The Remains Online to get VIP tickets. They're available. You can get tickets.
Starting point is 01:58:22 Actually, you can get tickets at All The RemainsOnline.com as well. You can check out the music on Apple, Music, Amazon, Pandora, Spotify, YouTube, Deezer. Don't forget the left lane is for crime. Ian, sing us out, my name. Thank you very much. Thank you very much. Song's called Hi.
Starting point is 01:58:39 Fitting. Music is alive. And through my. My eyes are telling me it's right We got nothing left to hide We can't go hide across all this life I know it's all right to go where we come And leave when we might
Starting point is 01:59:53 It's endless fate Just hang on tight and we both let go When the feeling's right I won't pretend not to think it's the end When the music is playing Now ain't it nice Nice we got love and we got each other we got now and we got forever ours and we are We've crossed all I know it's all right to go where we come and leave when we said leave when we mightless
Starting point is 02:01:03 Faye just hang on tight and we both right I won't pretend not to think it's the end when the music is playing Ain't it nice? We got love and we got each other We got now And we got forever Upright It's shade like candy shells and taco bells And an octopus in flight
Starting point is 02:01:51 We'll catch the drift wind calling Weather will fall and is relative in sight So I will grab a net Or jump the fences Planet life I'll give you I'll give you They said it's not with a frown is with a bangtast Explode of energy
Starting point is 02:02:21 They're for free I said enough ain't for free oh in this life I know it's all right to go is endless faith just hang on tight And we both pretend not to think it's the end We ain't that nice we got love and we got each other We got now And we got And I said
Starting point is 02:02:59 All right everybody We'll see you guys on Monday

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