Timesuck with Dan Cummins - 103 - The Public Suicide of Budd Dwyer and the Tragic Events That Led Up To It

Starting point is 00:00:00 On January 22nd, 1987, 47 year old, R. Bud Dwyer, Republican State Treasurer of Pennsylvania, held a press conference in Harrisburg, Pennsylvania, to address his recent conviction on 11 counts of conspiracy, male fraud, perjury, and interstate transportation in the aid of racketeering. The married father of two faced up to 55 years in prison and a $300,000 fine. He was scheduled to be sentenced to very next day, January 23rd, by a judge who he knew intended to make an example of him to deter other politicians from taking bribes in the future. It was expected by everyone in attendance and audience comprised mainly of the top journalists in the state that Bud Dwyer was going to

Starting point is 00:00:41 resign from his elected position after years of accusations, a highly publicized trial in a nasty fall from grace. No one expected what actually happened. In a long rambling speech, Dwyer criticized the American justice system, the reporters in the room who he felt had unfairly tainted the public's perception of him during the events leading up to during after the trial. And he accused other Pennsylvania politicians of being the ones who were truly corrupt. He thanked his family for their support and thank God for a good life. And then on live television, he took a Manila envelope out of

Starting point is 00:01:14 his briefcase and pulled out of that envelope, a fully loaded Smith and Wesson Model 27 357 Magnum revolver. The reporters present gasped, screamed, and backed away from bud. Voices rang out, pleaded with him not to do whatever he was planning to do. Only Dwyer himself remained eerily calm. He quickly told his terrified and riveted audience, please, please leave this room with this will, if this will affect you. Moments later Dwyer pointed the gun at himself quickly placed the barrel into his mouth and immediately pulled the trigger firing a bullet up into and out of his skull killing him instantly. Dwyer's body slumped against the wall and slid down to the floor blood flowing out of the exit wound, his nostrils and his mouth, and the cameras that were present continued to roll and captured it all. A number of television stations throughout Pennsylvania broadcast the tape footage of Dwyer suicide

Starting point is 00:02:07 to their midday audiences. Philadelphia station WPBI showed Dwyer pulling the trigger and falling backwards before cutting. Over the next several hours, other news editors had to decide how much of the graphic footage to air to their audiences. Many stations including WCAU

Starting point is 00:02:23 and Pennsylvania's group WStations KYW and KDKA froze the action just prior to the gunshot. However the latter two allowed the audio of the shooting to continue under a frozen image of Dwyer with the gun in this mouth. A handful of stations actually aired the unedited press conference WPVI and Philadelphia rebroadcast the suicide footage in full during their 5 p.m. and 6 p.m. new slots. Action news broadcast the entire suicide and did so without a warning to viewers. WPXI and Pittsburgh broadcast the footage uncensored during an early newscast then chose not

Starting point is 00:02:57 to re-air the footage during the evening news slot explaining that by then kids were probably home from school. Unfortunately by that that evening, thousands of pencil-winged kids had already seen Bud pull the trigger because a severe winter storm had closed schools across the state that day. Seems pretty straightforward at first, doesn't it? A crooked politician gets caught stealing from John Cue Public, doesn't want to face the music, and when he gets caught, he takes in a sense the easy way out. He takes what some people refer to as a cowardly way out. Well, it's not that simple, not even close. It's tragic and unexpected. And while certainly I'm not a fan of suicide, I will say that once I reach the end of this tale, I had a hard time not at least being open to the possibility that

Starting point is 00:03:40 Bud Dwyer's suicide was not only far from a cowardly act, but perhaps an incredibly heroic and selfless act. Find out why I reached that conclusion and see if you reached as well today on TimeSuck. Happy Monday Time suckers. Hail Nimrod Lucifina. Bojangles triple M, Pudy and Jiu-Jiu and maybe even chicken Joe. Bob, Bob, le boi, Bob, Bob. Probably shouldn't have held Chickatilo.

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Starting point is 00:10:56 Kate's email gonna be in that new fact page. Okay, enough business. Enough business. Let's dig into today's tale, the very public suicide of Bud Dwyer and the events that led up to this tragic decision. [♪ OUTRO MUSIC. When I was maybe, I don't know, 13 or 14 years old. I got in the hold of an early VHS-based form of viral video, one of the viral video precursors. It was one of these faces of death videos. These were big when I was in

Starting point is 00:11:38 like junior high. I rented it from some no longer existent video store on Main Street of Grange, Villalido.. The closest video store was like an hour from where I lived as a kid and it would, it was a video store that most people, if they were to go and we're like, well the fuck, how is this place even stay open? But to me I was like, oh, this is almost Hollywood.

Starting point is 00:11:59 They have so many, they have more than 10 videos. I've never, in one building. Well, these spaces are death videos. I think there are about four of them in total. Uh, we're compilations of death scenes. Supposedly real footage of people getting killed by animals, shot, hit by cars, planes, blunt objects, shot, you know, with, uh, uh, for, for, you know, fucking arrows, whatever. Exactly the kind of thing a young teen boy wants to watch. I probably should not watch.

Starting point is 00:12:25 They were filmed suicides and some of these grainy compilations of violent porn, essentially, and not porn sexually, but just like like the porn equivalent of violence. And one was our Bud Dwyer suicide. There is an original unedited, a minute and 22nd worth of footage on YouTube and other sites like liveleak.com, very disturbing to watch.

Starting point is 00:12:48 Holy shit. This this 82nd video shows this 47 year old politician who honestly looks 57 and you know, holding court. How to press conference. Looks like a general grandpa. And then he asked somebody in the beginning of this video named Greg to approach him. Then he asked a man named Don Johnson to approach him. He hands each of them a sealed envelope.

Starting point is 00:13:09 Then he hands Greg to additional papers saying one is for his wife, Joanne. And then he takes that gun out. Pandemonium breaks out after saying, please, please, please, leave the room with this will affect you. He mostly just says, don't, don't, don't. As people are, I guess, you know, kind of approaching him. He's holding out his hand. It's not holding the gun indicating he does not want anyone to come close to him. He says, listen, this will hurt someone.

Starting point is 00:13:33 And then 16 seconds after initially revealing the gun, he quickly shoots himself and you hear somebody immediately scream, somebody else, holy shit. You can hear a woman begin to wail and sob almost immediately. A man can be heard demanding, all right, settle down. And then don't panic, please. And then someone call an ambulance and a doctor in the police. This is said with no urgency. This last thing, I mean, it's painfully clear that he's already dead. And you think like, why would Bud do this?

Starting point is 00:13:59 What would drive someone to do this? The easiest and somewhat obvious answer is that, you know, he was a day away from being sentenced to what would likely be a prison term long enough to ensure he'd probably die in prison. But the truth is more complicated. This turns out to be a very, very interesting story. Let's start with this story like we often do at the beginning with today's Time Subtimeline. time-sub timeline. Shrap on those boot soldiers. We're marching down a time-sub timeline. Alright, Robert Bud Dwyer, born on November 21, 1939, in St. Charles, Missouri, to middle-class parents, Robert Malcolm Dwyer, and Alice Mary Bud Dwyer.

Starting point is 00:14:44 He was good academically, he's good student. A county was one of his favorite subjects and he wanted to pursue a career in county as a kid, you know, once he grew up. His family lives on a small farm and a few years after he arrived in the world, his younger sister was born, Diana Grundel Dwyer. Similar to how Robert would later be known by his middle name, sometimes adding the first letter of his first name in front of it, Deanna would be known as, it was D Grundel Dwyer or just Grundel Dwyer. D Grundel Dwyer being the more formal version,

Starting point is 00:15:18 less formally, Deanna. The least formal version of her name was dirty, a Dwyer, Grundel, Dreyer. It was dirty, Dwyer, Grundel, Dreyer. It's hard to say. And that's dirty, Dwyer, Grundel, Dreyer. That's not true. I have no idea what blood sister's name is. No one in the documentary books I read felt it worth mentioning.

Starting point is 00:15:38 Grundel, by the way, refers to the area between your penis or vagina and your anus. Your perineum, your taint, your gooch, your chus, your perineum, your tank, your gooch, your chow, your penis, your fleshy, fun bridge. Now, you know, more knowledge, you guys. Bud's father worked a day job, so his family did not have to struggle the way the families of other farmers did, and by all accounts, the doiers were a close, well-adjusted family who probably never ever said the word, gruddle.

Starting point is 00:16:02 In 1957, Bud graduated from high school, attended Allegheny College in Medeville, Pennsylvania. It's 40 miles south of Erie, Nine miles north of Pittsburgh, little college town less than 15,000 people. In addition to studying accounting, Bud also studied political science. Getting a bachelor's degree in political science. He was a member of Beta Chi, the Beta Chi chapter of Theta chi, I was so close to pronouncing those as beta chi and theta chi, by the way. I could only imagine what kind of emails would have poured in. After getting his bachelor's, I stuck around to get his master's degree in education, got a job teaching at Cambridge Springs High School in Crawford County, Pennsylvania,

Starting point is 00:16:38 just outside of Medville, a bud-todd of class called problems with democracy, kind of ironic considering the massive problems he would encounter with his own democracy later. Events that would send him spiraling towards his death. While teaching at Cambridge Springs High School in 1962, bud met his future wife and English teacher named Joanne Grundel. No, Joanne Grappie. Grappie not much better than Grundel though, to be fair. The two quickly fell in love.

Starting point is 00:17:10 And the spring in 1963, bud received his master's degree and in the summer of 1963, he was selected for an educational exchange program that took him to Poland. Bud was shocked at life in Poland. He couldn't believe that God would A. create Polish people in the first place. And then B. Polish people in the first place. And then be, allow Polish people to continue to live, after seeing what vile, subhuman, filthy, godless monsters they really are. He spent much of his time in Poland weeping, in wailing, and thrashing, and just being furious with God for allowing any of this to happen. Sorry, that's clearly not true. No, but he really was sent to Poland.

Starting point is 00:17:47 He really was shocked at life in Poland. He was shocked by communism. He hated it. Poland had become a communist nation following Russia's invasion of Poland at the end of World War II when they pushed the German Nazis out only to become just a different oppressor. But could not believe the way the Polish government treated their own people, the rampant governmental corruption disgusted him. When Bud returned to the United States in the fall of 1963, he and Joanne were immediately

Starting point is 00:18:10 married, despite knowing each other for less than a year. And then after the wedding, Bud quickly told Joanne that his time in Poland had inspired him to get involved with US politics. He wanted to do what he could do to help ensure that America would never become what he saw overseas. A 24-year-old decided to run as a Republican on the Republican ticket for a state government seat on Pennsylvania's House of Representatives in 1964. Even though Bud refused to solicit campaign donations himself, he refused to look, even

Starting point is 00:18:41 look at the list of contributions, he did get some fundraise and he left fundraising to his former teaching mentor and current campaign manager at the time. He talked a lot about Poland during his campaign, what he felt was wrong with Poland, you know, even had a slideshow he presented to show what life was like over there and how terrible the average lives that Polish citizens were and how he counted this happened and that kind of stuff. Now he's very anti big red, former former friend, Stink Dispresentation actually won him that first election. And he won even though he ran against an incumbent. He won that first election.

Starting point is 00:19:11 And then now he had to work in Harrisburg, Pennsylvania. Harrisburg, capital of Pennsylvania, only about 50,000 people in it. The metro area has over 500,000, but still very, very small state capital. Just outside of Harrisburg sits Hershey, Pennsylvania. Just outside of Hershey's sits the small town of Squirts. So there's Hershey Squirts and that was the layman's dad joke. I just threw it in there.

Starting point is 00:19:34 I just thought of it and I was like, don't say it. Don't say it and I said it and I'm gonna keep it. We're not editing that out. I took the kids to Hershey once and they were little, I recommended a, or I recommended two or the plant if you have chocolate lovers in the family. The three mile island nuclear incident occurred near Harrisburg, 1979. Forbes rated Harrisburg is a second place,

Starting point is 00:19:53 a second best place in the US to raise a family in 2010. So I guess nuclear incident didn't, couldn't have been that bad. Didn't contaminate things too much. And so Bud's not gonna be working there. It took his first political office in Harrisburg on January 5th, 1965. And it's a five hour drive from Harrisburg to Medville. And rather than move his family and his now pregnant wife away from her parents, you know, Bud would make the drive from Harrisburg to, to, to, or from Medville to Harrisburg.

Starting point is 00:20:21 And then back, uh, each week, like he would live in Harrisburg during the week, and on the weekend, he would drive home five hours each way. Yeah, and you also want to return to Medeville on a regular basis so he could properly kind of, you know, monitor and serve the constituents of the district that voted him in. And man, he would, he would make that weekly trek back and forth for 16 years. Think about that commute. 16 years of doing a five hour fucking ride with Jesus. I served in the state, House of Representatives,

Starting point is 00:20:53 until 1971 and then he served in the state senate for a full decade. Raising a family, making that drive my God. I saw my travel schedule's rough. That day was on the road, almost every week, five days a week, for over 15 years, so there's that. So he's awake for home a lot, starting just a year and a half into his marriage.

Starting point is 00:21:12 And then he was doing this before there was podcasts. Think about that drive too. Think about the five hour drive before podcasts, no satellite radio, no Pandora, no Spotify, no books on tape, no cell phones. Man, I hope those 1960s and 70s DJs kept him entertained. I can only imagine how sick you would get of certain songs. No, that's not the way, uh-huh, uh-huh, I like it.

Starting point is 00:21:36 Fuck Casey in the Sunshine Band, fuck him to hell. You know, cut to Bud just quickly shutting off his radio, just furious. And then after a minute of just utter boredom just slowly raising the volume up again. That's the way. Uh-uh-uh, I like it. That's the way. Uh-uh-uh, I like it.

Starting point is 00:21:54 Uh-uh-uh, da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da- week after week. At the beginning, this ongoing 16 year cross date commute. BUDS sound rob is born in the midvill area 1965. Three years later, BUDS daughter. Diane D.D. is born in 1968. D.D. Grundel. I cannot get that word out of my head. Miss Grundel, party of one, your table is ready. And it's clean. Please, please keep it that way. You've built the animal. And then a 1980 Bud runs for state treasure largely because this position does not require him to keep in touch with voters in the Medviel area And then now if he gets it he can move his entire family to Harrisburg where he's been working and they can all live there together Still can't believe he made that commute for fucking 16 years my god

Starting point is 00:22:42 There was a scene in the documentary where his daughter, Dee Dee actually talked about him. What a good dad with this was. Talked about him driving over again one week. You know, he'd already done the weekend thing and he'd be doing it the next weekend thing. And then he drove over midweek on a Wednesday when she was in grade school to watch her perform a small part in some grade school play. And then he drove home after the show that night, 10 hours that day in addition to the normal 20 hours of commuting that week.

Starting point is 00:23:07 That's the way. Uh, like a similar to previous elections, but relies on a grassroots knocking on doors approach to his campaign. He spent only $50,000 on his entire campaign, far less than his opponents. He spent almost nothing on television or radio ads. His campaign manager said he focused primarily on county affairs, where he would introduce himself to hundreds, if not thousands of potential voters a day, shaking hands and telling his own, his own hands would literally be swollen from all of the hands, shaking. And he did

Starting point is 00:23:38 this because as, as many people said on a great Bud Dwyer documentary called Honest Man, the life of our Bud Dwyer, you can watch on Amazon Prime for free, if you remember, they would say once you met Bud Dwyer, you'd vote for him. He did appear to be very likable, very charismatic. In November of 1980, he won his election, and then the family moved to Harrisburg commute over. And life would be great,

Starting point is 00:24:00 and Harrisburg for a couple of years, and then Bud would find himself in the middle of a political shit storm. When Dwyer took over the treasury, he wanted to improve things and immediately wanted to modernize it. The operating system was was very outdated and he computerized the department, which was a great move, starting off. He also kept some of the staff from the previous treasurer, let them keep their jobs, most notably,

Starting point is 00:24:25 Vince Yakawitch, a Democrat who sounds like he may be Polox Savage, and they became lifelong friends as much as a human and a Polack can be friends. If you're new listener, my wife is Polish, that's why this is happening. And who I love, who I love to tease. This was not normal, most new officials cleaning officials cleaning out you know clean house when they came in

Starting point is 00:24:47 uh... especially the previous staff members were not the same party he didn't care he was able to work across party lines on a regular basis love hearing that why can't more people do that uh... doyer took a bit cause which he called the waistline uh... early in his tenure and in the office there doyer's administration established a toll-free waistline for citizens to report abuse, misuse or fraud involving state funds or to make money saving suggestions.

Starting point is 00:25:13 The waistline received nearly 4,000 calls, resulted in the savings of millions of tax dollars and several arrests. Again, the irony here, the guy who sets up the call line for a Citizens Report abuse and misuse of state funds ends up being caught in a scandal involving taking funds. Yeah, taking a bribe. It's crazy. Okay. And then in 1984, bud, just by doing his duty as treasurer, he falls into a highly publicized fight with state governor, Richard Dick Thornberg. Oh, Dickie T. Oh, Dick Grundel. Dickie Grundel. A governor, Dick, was also a Republican who'd won the governor's job in 1979, defeating Republican incumbent Milton shop with the campaign

Starting point is 00:25:53 largely built on fighting government corruption. Lot of corruption in Pennsylvania government in the 70s and 80s. I don't know how things are there today, but my, my, my God, the story was just loaded with it. Shops time was plagued with corruption. More than 60 people from his administration have been indicted on various criminal charges during his tenure. While shop himself was never indicted on anything, his administration was jokingly referred to as the Crook of the Month Club. Even four of his cabinet members were convicted of crimes while he was in office, including

Starting point is 00:26:21 fraud, line under oath and extortion. Well, in 1994, Governor Dick, I am not a crook Thornberg. I'm going to do a Nixon sucks someday, by the way. Dick took a business trip to Germany to convince a West German bus manufacturer to open a plant in Harrisburg, which they later did, and he took his wife, Ginny, which was fine and totally within his legal rights to do so. But the governor submitted his wife, $1,680 airline ticket for reimbursement from the state treasurer's office, which was not kosher.

Starting point is 00:26:50 She didn't have to be there, you know, this is a business trip. She wants to come, she can pay her own way. The taxpayer not required to pay her way. So when this bill comes across Bud Dwyer's desk, he refuses to sign it. And here the first seed of buzz later demise is sown. The press catch wind of buds refusal makes the papers. We all know far too well right now how much the press loves to run stories regarding political turmoil and conflict.

Starting point is 00:27:16 Can't get enough of that shit. Feels like 90% of my news feed is that Democrats accuse Thornburg and his wife and some other Republican aides who went along for the trip of basically just taking a big old vacation on the taxpayer's dime. And just, you know, you go to Germany, you see the sites, you have lunch with the fucking bus people one day, and then you write it all off. Which in the private world, I will say does happen all the time. And as a small business person, you'd love it. I do it too. Sakad it, IRS. No, but anyway, Democrats, they accused them of this and the governor

Starting point is 00:27:52 then publicly accused this Dwyer of taking a cheap shot at him saying that he wasn't trying to do anything shady. He just was, it was protocol to submit trip costs to the treasurer's office so that they could then decide what he was responsible for, what he was not responsible for, what the state should cover, what they shouldn't cover. You know, he's just following standard operating procedure and then Bud Dwyer goes out of his way to make him look like an asshole.

Starting point is 00:28:16 Dwyer claims that he did not go out of his way to malign anyone, a reporter asking about the trip, he told the truth and that's all there was to it. And then they spun it, how they spun it. What was he supposed to do, lie to the reporter? You know, the like a fool risk looked like looking like he was part of some kind of government theft or, you know, in front of the people, the constituents who voted him into office, they just do his job. And then bud quickly find himself having to distance himself from the governor's

Starting point is 00:28:40 office again, shortly after this incident, a reporter asked Dwyer to alert Dwyer, excuse me, to the fact that Governor Thornberg's sons have been being transported back and forth between Massachusetts and Pennsylvania, or their attending private school, and they've been driven back and forth by state troopers. Clearly also on the state's drive, dime, excuse me, when the reporter then asked Dwyer to see financial records regarding school transport, Dwyer deferred to him to state police who then released the records. The police complained that the governor is using them as showfurs, as taxi drivers, Dwyer's people decided to take a closer look at these records.

Starting point is 00:29:16 Once they're released to the press and they decide that Governor Thornburg is again, abuse his power and that he should pay for this transportation, not the police. And then due to media inquiry, a press conference is held, but Dwyer reveals exactly how much his office thinks that the governor should have to pay. For all the time as a police took the governor's kids to and from private school,

Starting point is 00:29:33 and they say that he owes the state $6,700 roughly. And this does not, as you might imagine, make the governor super duper happy. This makes the first term governor, the man who ran on an anti-corruption campaign, look, you know, corrupt. And like a huge hypocritical asshat. Also, if I was someone who would voted for governor, uh, Dickie Grundle, I would be pissed that the governor of Pennsylvania is sending his kids out of state to go to school, like, what the fuck? Like, isn't it, isn't it basically your main

Starting point is 00:30:04 job to make sure that this is a state that people want to live in and want to like raise kids out of state to go to school. Like what the fuck? Like isn't it, isn't it basically your main job to make sure that this is a state that people want to live in and want to like raise their kids in and have their kids go to school in? Right? I mean, doesn't that seem very straight? I mean, can you imagine if like, if any president of the United States

Starting point is 00:30:15 sent his kids to a foreign country to study? Yes, my children are attending school and London. What am I gonna, I'm like, I haven't got to school in America and this fucking shithole? Get out of here! Then why don't you do your job and fix them? Fix the school, Mr. President.

Starting point is 00:30:28 Why don't you start asking easier questions before I have your press badge revoked? Mr. Soon to be writing for a high school yearbook? It's serious to that, that is kind of crazy to me that he would do that. Well, people who work with Dwyer said it wasn't like Dwyer went after the government maliciously in this incident or the previous one. The police complained to the press. The press asked the treasurer's office what the hell they were going to do about the government's misuse of funds and Dwyer felt like his hands were tied. He felt like again, like he didn't want to look like he was part of some kind of governmental corruption. You know, this is also his first term. He would like to get reelected. You know,

Starting point is 00:31:01 the press are going to accuse him of covering things up for the governor of being in bed with the governor if he doesn't do this. But governor Thornberg does not see the situation that way. He thinks that Dwyer is out to get him. That Dwyer has some kind of vendetta against him. And if Thornberg didn't hate Bud Dwyer after the airline ticket incident, they would call it Ginnygate, which I think is hilarious, he for sure hates him now. The press is now running, you know, tails of Dwyer being in the gubernatorial doghouse and about how if Dwyer was a member of Dix cabinet and didn't have an elected position, he would for sure be fired. Those who worked with the governor would later say that Thornburg thought Dwyer was a

Starting point is 00:31:37 country pumpkin and that he did start to crave revenge big time for these perceived slights against him. Supposedly, according to at least one source in the documentary I watch, he said, I'm going to get that fat son of a bitch if it's the last thing I do. And now the press is running stories and local papers about the obvious tension and discord between Dick Thornberg and Bud Dwyer. Why couldn't they work it out? Why?

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Starting point is 00:34:02 when you go to leesa.com slash time suck. That's leesa, L-E-E go to leesa.com slash time suck. That's Lisa L-E-E-S-A dot com slash time suck and that'll be in the episode description as well the link and now Back to Dwyer's public battle with Dicky V These incidents Dicky V Dicky T you know I just did there. That was a weird Dick Fytel. I'm so used to like Dicky being followed by V. T sounds like V. I swapped him. Now we're talking about Dicky T.

Starting point is 00:34:29 We're talking about Governor Grundle. Talk about Governor Thornberg. I got so many names for you, Prairie. Who the fuck is this guy? These incidents weigh on buds mind enough for him to mention all of these incidents with the governor at the final press conference before he pulls the trigger. One of the things he said before he pulls the trigger.

Starting point is 00:34:45 One of the things he said, he said, in February of 1924, another significant event occurred in my life. In conformity with Pennsylvania law, I refused to pay the travel voucher for Mrs. Dick Thornberg's trip to Europe. And Governor Thornberg told Bob Asher and others that he would get Dwyer. Thanks to you, the media, Governor Thornberg has a very positive image, but his staff, but if his staff had ever let you get close to him, you would have found a short temper and a vicious vindictive personality. Governor Thornberg's resolve

Starting point is 00:35:14 to get me increased when Ginnygate was followed by Schofurgate. That's the obviously the the police escort thing, the police taking his kids to school in March, April and May of 1994, which was properly brought to my attention by reporter, Wally Roche of the Philadelphia and Choir. Then our recent governor began referring to me as the fat fuck, which can be attested to by several people. That is when you really know that someone doesn't care for you, when they begin to refer to you as the fat fuck.

Starting point is 00:35:44 You know that someone really doesn't like you when they start openly calling you the fat fuck to your face, even the presence of others. Yeah, Roger, can you send in the fat fuck so we can talk about the budget? No, certainly governor. Hello, governor Thornberg. Have a seat, you fat fuck. Yeah, I really wish you'd call me butt, or at least Mr. Dwyer, Governor Thorneberg, if you could. Ah, of course you'd say that you fat fuck. That's such a fat fuck thing to say. When you agree, Roger, what a fat fuck thing to say. Also, have you been getting fat or you fat fuck I hate you so much? That's when you know for sure someone hates you and they talk to you like that. Then later, 1924, real trouble starts broon for for bud fat fucked wire

Starting point is 00:36:25 dickie grundle will soon be the least of his problems uh... doyer runs for reelection nineteen four is up against the democrat named out benedict and the campaign gets ugly almost immediately there's a smear campaign against wire allegedly taken bribes benedict who is the auditor general alleges that doyer took a kickback from computer technology associates and corporate CTA while the allegations are serious, Dwyer denies everything and takes

Starting point is 00:36:50 it all pretty lightly initially. Also this allegation just doesn't appear credible as three members of Benedict staffed are then indicted for selling state jobs. Michael Hanna, Nick Satis, John Kerr, Dwyer-Wirwen's election but the allegations uh... despite the uh... you know uh... convictions are or the and people being indicted uh... on the guy staff who make the the allegations uh... despite all that happening the the allegations against but do not go away there's just so many allegations this crazing the story there's so much

Starting point is 00:37:19 like rampant political corruption and pencil vayne at this time uh... let's talk about the cta scandal this is is huge. This is the big scandal that led to, to bud doing what he did at the press conference. Pennsylvania officials discovered that some of its state workers had overpaid millions of dollars in federal insurance contributions act money, or taxes, I guess, that's FICA. FICA taxes due to errors in state withholding.

Starting point is 00:37:41 Several top accounting firms across the country competed for the multi-million dollar contract to determine the compensation to be paid to each employee. So again, just to, you know, they were, they were being taxed on this fight attacks a few years before it actually became official in Pennsylvania. They don't catch up for some reason for like two years and they're like, oh, shit, the federal government has taken millions of tax dollars they weren't supposed to. Now Pennsylvania is hiring, you know, some firm to find out exactly who paid what when they shouldn't

Starting point is 00:38:08 so they can find out how much to be reimbursed. And Dwyer is putting charge of choosing a firm to handle all this, this repayment of over collected taxes. Even though I guess that job would typically fall to the governor, for whatever reason he's put in charge, the contract is eventually then awarded to the California based firm, computer technology associates, owned by a native of Harrisburg, Pennsylvania. Months after the contract is awarded, Pennsylvania governor Dick Thornberg receives an anonymous

Starting point is 00:38:31 memo detailing allegations of bribery that took place during the bidding process for the contract. And this anonymous source names are Bud Dwyer as one of the people receiving a kickback in the deal. And you know that Dickey T got a massive revenge boner when that memo hit his desk. When he read that name, his wing probably almost exploded. Just, ah, oh, payback time, you fat fuck. This will teach you for now, looking the other way when I brought my wife to Germany. When I sent my kids to school in massachusetts. Ha ha ha ha.

Starting point is 00:39:06 You probably went full Mr. Burns when he got that memo. Just, yes, meh this is excellent news. I shall crush the fat fuck. I shall squeeze him until there's nothing left. And then I shall take another trip to Deutschland with Ginny. First class on the public dime to celebrate, yes, meh this. Excellent. More about this contract. The contract calls for the company to recover up to 40 million

Starting point is 00:39:28 of Social Security taxes that had been improperly paid by Pennsylvania school districts and 200,000 school employees from 1979 to 1981. And again, the taxes mistakenly paid. And mistakenly paid when employees run sick leave, although federal law did not require such payments until 1902. Treasure officials said that CTA would receive $4.8 million for compiling and filing all the necessary data on behalf of all the employees to recover the money from the federal government. So they can pay almost 5 million to recover this 40 million. Mr. Dwyer said the company, which at the time, at the time the contract was awarded had

Starting point is 00:40:03 only three full time employees, was chosen over larger firms because it promised a prompt refund of the overpaid taxes. And then this CTA contract was rescinded July 11th shortly after Mr. Dwyer said he learned that the federal Bureau of investigation was looking into allegations that CTA had paid other public officials in the city of Pittsburgh and Allegheny County to obtain similar contracts. So important to note this, important to note that before Dickey T revealed allegations of corruption against Bud Bud had already canned this contract. Now who is CTA?

Starting point is 00:40:38 CTA is a bunch of dirty birds. That's who. This is ads to the story. One dirty bird in particular. This is a bullshit company. It is one dirty bird with a long history regarding corruption in Pennsylvania. CTA, computer technology associate, is a firm based out of California, owned and operated by one John Torquato, Jr.

Starting point is 00:40:56 A corrupt asshole who may have, from whatever I've read, probably did frame bud Dwyer into the corruption case that would follow. Torquato, the son of an alleged mafia member was strong ties to the Pennsylvania Democratic Party. Uh, Torquato, uh, had, had moved to California and started the business after getting into legal trouble previously in Pennsylvania for extortion in the early 70s. Uh, regarding that court document state, the evidence, uh, at the, at trial indicate that from 1971 to 1976, Torquato, along with John

Starting point is 00:41:26 George and Harold Stevens, extorted funds from persons who leased heavy equipment to the Pennsylvania Department of Transportation in Cambria County, Pennsylvania. Torquato was the county chairman of the Dremacutic Party in Cambria County from 71 till 78. He also held a position during the years relevant to the indictment of supervisor of county audits in the Department of Aud auditor general for the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania. So according to testimony trial meetings with Torquato, in which they sought his approval to enter into leases with the Pennsylvania Department of Transportation.

Starting point is 00:42:11 And during these meetings, he would indicate that the quid pro quo, excuse me, for obtaining the lease with the state would be, uh, a kickback, a kickback, quote unquote, to the party. It was the understanding of the lessers as reflected in their testimony that the Pennsylvania Department of Transportation would lease their equipment only if they made such kickbacks. 1971 required payment was 5% of the contract amount or of the gross income they would receive from the Department of Transportation and that amount was increased to 10% in 1972. So he's fucking extorting these people. Although the kickback payments made by the lecars often characterized at trial as political donations or contributions, evidence indicated that

Starting point is 00:42:50 these payments benefited Terquato personally. And a jury found him guilty of conspiring to violate the Hobbs Act and a various substantive violations of that act. One of the lawyers involved in the prosecution of Terquato was Dick Thornburg, Dicky T Dick Rundle, old governor Grundle. The Hobbes Act by the way, enacted in 1946 named after Sam Hobbes, Democratic Congressman from Alabama, was enacted as a statute to combat racketeering and labor management disputes. The statute is frequently used in connection with cases involving public corruption, commercial disputes, and corruption directed at members of unions.

Starting point is 00:43:25 After pants and fines having his political career stomped out in Pennsylvania to acquire a movie to California, heirs a lawyer named William Bill Smith. Bill Smith, Bill is where he went by. William Smith goes by Bill Smith to represent his new CTA firm back in Pennsylvania. So he's going to try and sneak back around and steal more money from the Pennsylvania taxpayers. Smith is a personal friend of Dwyer in the documentary and honest man about Dwyer, this documentary ledges that Terquato hired Smith to get to Dwyer. He's trying to make inroads to the Republican Party in the state of Pennsylvania. And in all likelihood, Terquato did offer Bud Dwire a bribe. The film alleges that Torquato would offer a bribe

Starting point is 00:44:06 to every single official he met in his first meeting. And he did this for two reasons. One was just kind of test the waters. And then two, you know, he wanted to have some collateral to hold over their head later. Well, Torquato later claimed that he hired a attorney, William Bill Smith to convince Dwyer and the Republican chairman of the State Party Committee,

Starting point is 00:44:23 Bob Asher, to let Cyer and the Republican Chairman of the State Party Committee, Bob Asher, to let CTA have the deal, offering them each $300,000. And then Smith claimed that when he presented this contribution to Dwyer, the bud accepted the bribe, right? And this is the crux of the whole case against Dwyer. Is this Smith's testimony? At his own trial, Smith pleaded guilty to giving to our and asher three hundred thousand dollars each in bribes

Starting point is 00:44:47 and he received three and a half years in federal prison for bid rigging he admitted in court that to aquado junior uh... it's i've been referring to mister quattro the same guy uh... he has a dad also of the same name uh... came from a democratic family used him to reach out to the republicans and convince them to secure this bid for him uh... to aquado with an also spent some time in prison after this. And it was Smith's testimony that led directly to our Bud Dwyer's criminal convictions.

Starting point is 00:45:13 In the documentary, though, and on a man Smith, and this documentary was just, I think back in 2010, if I remember, I didn't write it down on my notes, but it was within the last decade. It mits on camera that he lied about bud accepting the bribe. He says that Haasim did this day. He feels guilt over it. I mean, this guy already went to prison for this case. And once out of it, he's like, you know, feels terrible because of what happened to bud Dwyer, and especially terrible because he says that he didn't actually take the bribe. So yeah, so that's pretty huge. And he said that he lied because their Quattro told him that he had to lie.

Starting point is 00:45:49 The Smith had to lie to back up to our Quattro's lies because their Quattro's lies were what were able to get him a plea bargain from the DA. Basically, like the DA put pressure on him and he told the DA he could give them Bud Dwyer. And if he gave them Bud Dwyer and and they want to get Bud Dwyer, because as you'll find out, the prosecutor is tied directly to Governor Dickey T, Governor Dickey T wants to fucking squash Dwyer for all the shit, you know, that, you know, in the public eye, all the mess he caused them, you know, over the last few years. So they really want Bud Dwyer, the prosecutors, you know, the DA's office devs, and they're like, oh, wow, you can give us Bud Dwyer, the prosecutor's, you know, the DA's office does. And they're like, oh, wow, you can give us Bud Dwyer.

Starting point is 00:46:26 Okay, well, then we'll give you a plea deal. And then so, but to do that, he has to lie, and he has to have Smith lie. And then he lied for all this to work. And Smith said that Torquato told him, if he doesn't cooperate, when you come home, you'll find Moose, and that was the nickname for Smith's son, floating face down in the swimming pool. So Smith will later claim that these guys, these mobsters basically threatened him that if he didn't lie in court to convict Bud Dwyer, they were gonna kill his kid.

Starting point is 00:46:50 Okay, so that's big. So months after this contract is awarded, subsequently we subsequently revoked Pennsylvania governor Dick Thornberg receives this anonymous memo about the bribery, gets the fucking boner about Bud Dwyer being listed. And then he enlists his lawyer, Protojege Jimmy West, who is the acting US attorney to investigate and take the case to a grand jury. You know, he's pursuing Bud with, you know, with a vengeance

Starting point is 00:47:14 now included in the original list of those suspected of taking bribes from CTA or Dwyer, Bob Asher, the Republican chairman, attorney general, the Leroy Zimmerman and Senator John Schumacher. By the time these indictments were handed out Zimmerman, and Senator John Schumaker. By the time these indictments were handed out, however, Zimmerman and Schumaker were mysteriously no longer on the list. So you know, two of the four people, supposedly getting these bribes, they don't even make the final indictment list. And while attorney Jimmy West would admit that Bud Dwyer never actually received funds from

Starting point is 00:47:43 Torquada. They never actually got the money. He said that didn't even matter when it came to prosecuting him because supposedly agreeing to accept a bribe was just as bad to accept it as accepting it. And he wouldn't argue that intent is the key. And this is insane to me. So their whole case against this guy is not even that he took money, but that he supposedly said based on the testimony of two people that he would take the money.

Starting point is 00:48:06 And then later definitely changes mine and cancel the contract. So they're gonna, you know, they're gonna take his whole career away and put him in prison for maybe thinking about taking a bribe. Now I'm not saying when it comes to corruption that I disagree with Jimmy West, the prosecutor in turn here as far as like intent, you know, like you shouldn't be, you should still get in trouble for saying like, yes, I'm going to take bribe money. If that's what you actually do, even if you don't actually get the money. But I also think how convenient is this for his case?

Starting point is 00:48:32 Because now he doesn't have to actually provide any evidence of, you know, any financial evidence, like bank account type evidence, but actually receiving any money. They don't have to worry about a money trail at all. There are many that there isn't one. Usually the money trail pretty important when it comes to a bribery case. Now all he needs is testimony from Torquado, a known crook, a fucking known convicted fraud, and that man's a lawyer, a man who would later admit that he lied about Bud, and he just needs their testimony to convict Bud Dwyer. Sadly, it really, really does look like Bud was innocent in this case. And Bill Smith,

Starting point is 00:49:04 Torquados attorney, says in the documentary, the Jimmy West, clearly being pressured by Dickey T to pursue this case against wire relentlessly, came to him and stated that they were going to indict Smith's wife, Judy, as well unless he could convince Dwyer to resign from office. Like they're really going after Dwyer. You know, clearly Thornberg's main goal is to crush Dwyer in all of this. He wants him out of Harrisburg. That's going to fucking teach him for not signing off on whatever the hell he wanted Dwyer

Starting point is 00:49:29 to sign off on. Now, this is totally conjecture on my part as far as assessing the governor's motivations in this situation. But God, just from what you gather, when you look into this story, it sure as hell looks like this is the case. Well, Bill Smith approaches Dwyer on behalf of the governor's attorney to resign and Dwyer refuses. Federal prosecutors approach Bud, approach Bud Dwyer, they're willing to cut him a deal at this point. Please guilty to one charge of bribe receiving,

Starting point is 00:49:53 resign from office, fully cooperate with the rest of the investigation, and you won't get much trouble. The one charge we carry at most to five year prison sentence and all likelihood, you're not going to spend a day there. But Dwyer turns down the deal. He is, he, he's, he's innocent. He's never back down from that. And he wants his innocence to be proven in a trial. Okay. So in 1995, now the trial is scheduled and moved out of the capital city relocated to Williamsport, Pennsylvania due to the publicity. It's been receiving in Harrisburg. This does not help, but Williams port is a rural town with lower socioeconomic level, a kind of population, lower overall education levels for the adults living there. And this is a complex trial requiring complex thinking to properly assess. Basically what many

Starting point is 00:50:36 the documentary alleged is that the jury ended up being composed of people. We would refer to as idiots of the internet and that they can't understand the trial well enough to understand that but is actually innocent or that the evidence against it is not strong. Speaking of these idiots, by the way, let's take a break from the today's timeline before we hop back into it and check in with those wacky doodles. Idiot. And be introvert. Introvert. All right. For today's video, I went to, uh, to that one minute, 22nd YouTube video I referenced earlier.

Starting point is 00:51:12 The one where you, where you can witness Bud's death, I don't recommend it. I do not recommend it. Uh, the top comment out of nearly 50,000 comments under the video of nearly 12 million views published in 2013 by Fabio Costa is Matthew Centoro not an idiot Someone who is asking in all caps Why are you watching this? Fair question Matt fair question

Starting point is 00:51:36 more be curiosity, I guess to start with and Since I'm doing this suck I had a hard time just to find not watching it if I I'm going to do an entire time suck leading to this one moment, I feel like I needed to see the moment. Thank you for asking. Another clever fellow on YouTube, Dakota Colley, has the next top comment posting Logan Paul was the cameraman. Well played. Well played to go to for those of you who didn't listen to or don't remember the Japanese

Starting point is 00:52:02 suicide for a suck. This is a reference to very popular YouTuber Logan Paul receiving a lot of public backlash for posting a video of him making light of seeing some poor suicide victim hanging from a tree in the suicide forest. He filmed the actual body laughter in the video and now Dakota is accusing him of filming Budwara suicide as well. Pretty dark and in my opinion, pretty clever, pretty clever reference. The next comment proves how fucked up my sense of humor is,

Starting point is 00:52:29 because it made me laugh out loud. While I was at Clipso's Coffee Shop in downtown Cordelaine, while I was doing some of the research, Lucy the Lamp Post in quotation marks, I'm a doctor. Now this is referring to someone yelling just that in the background of the end of the video, someone who yells, you're like, I'm a doctor. And then right after that, a towel size, Lucey writes, boy, it's too late.

Starting point is 00:52:50 I know that's really fucked up, but it was very funny to me. Yes, way too late, holy shit, too late to that point. Be gone, Luceyfina, stop making me laugh at tragedy. You're gonna get me in trouble. Then a few comments later, we get a virtue signaler. All right. Finally. We haven't had one of those in a while User QRT one two three posts. I can't believe that so many guys are making jokes about this and then user Let's Con Here's the virtue of singular user Let's Con replies with yes exclamation point something like suicide is not funny period. It is sad exclamation point. Something like suicide is not funny, period.

Starting point is 00:53:25 It is sad exclamation point. Oh, thank you, let's con. You're right. You're right. Now that I think about it, suicide is sad. Thank you for pointing that out. You're a great person. You just proved it.

Starting point is 00:53:37 No one doubts out now. You're a stu-t empathetic observation made that clear to everyone. Man, if you wouldn't have jumped into this threat, we would all just be left thinking that suicide is inherently hilarious. Let's come across to me like a wooden dialogue from some kind of shitty 80s after school special.

Starting point is 00:53:56 It's too bad that kids don't watch those now. I watched so many of those when I was a kid, these really shitty after school specials, where there was just the whole movie was based on some, you know, painfully obvious moral message. They felt kids needed to hear. Like for this one, I feel like it would be like two, two twelve year olds, you know, playing basketball on some playground. You know what's funny?

Starting point is 00:54:16 A cat chasing a laser pointer? No! Suicide is funny! Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha! Are you sure? Yep, that's what the internet says. Suicide is not funny. It is in fact sad. And then the two twivers, like also get frowns in their face, like they get sheepish,

Starting point is 00:54:51 they're stop, they stop laughing. Sorry, Lescon. We didn't know. No one had told us that. And then Lescon kind of starts to smile. Well, now you do. And knowing is half the battle. And then both 12 rules. Wait a minute. You stole that line from GI Joe. starts to smile, well now you do, and knowing is half the battle.

Starting point is 00:55:05 And then both 12 years, wait a minute, you stole that line from GI Joe. And then let's kind of just, I know, but at least I didn't joke about suicide. And then all of them, ha ha ha ha ha. Yeah, we fucking get it. Let's calm, we do know. We just choose to not let darkness and sadness

Starting point is 00:55:24 drag us down into a never ending tear parade. Right, blah. Right, blah. I hope some of you at least listening have seen those specials to understand why I made the act that I did. Right, blah, blah. Let's con, one of the many, many religious sellets

Starting point is 00:55:36 of YouTube revealed themselves. User Splatter EU posts, people who make jokes about things like this and then all caps, will go to hell Thanks for letting us know exactly what God's up to splatter you appreciate it And sure if God's up there. I'm sure God just fucking loves you spread in his word Thanks for speaking for God Have you made a suicide joke? Congratulations. He then you are for sure going to hell. Hope you like being burned alive forever, amen

Starting point is 00:56:05 are for sure going to hell. Hope you like being burned alive forever, amen. User William Burke is for sure going to hell. Pack plenty of shorts and tank tops and your afterlife suitcase, Billy Burke is you're gonna roast. Billy Burke posted his wife told him before the conference, give him a piece of your mind, bud, but don't go shoot in your mouth. told him before the conference, give him a piece of your mind, bud, but don't go shoot your mouth off. Now, again, sorry, maybe I made me laugh. And you guys know that I've donated money to National Suicide Prevention Center. We have as our organization here. I know suicide is tragic.

Starting point is 00:56:35 The world is tragic. As far as dark humor goes, you know, not bad Billy Burke, fucked up, but it did get me laughed at Arctis. As my editor Jesse Doughner pointed pointed out that was a total dad joke But I did I did like it User tofer Wayne also made me laugh posting get that man a band-aid Now the absurdity there Just cracks me up like because he was fucking way past the band-aid

Starting point is 00:56:58 It's just that's like a cartoon thing that I just picture like somebody running over with a band-aid Patching up his head and then he's all of a sudden. He's like snaps out of it. Oh shit man, glad you were here Incredibly, I just like the absurdity credibly user User Ali Austin does not understand tofer's absurd humor and actually asked tofer Wayne. How will that help? Oh Ali You still get it user max power goes real dark posting Not my proudest fap. Oh Jesus Christ.

Starting point is 00:57:29 Now if you didn't get that joke, don't think about it. Oh God, anybody who's fapping it to that video, he got some real issues. My God, dark. User. User, um, SSS Randy goes full cat and obvious posting, being there in person would be a traumatic experience. Uh, yeah.

Starting point is 00:57:57 Yeah, you fucking think why would you ever need to post that? It's like, like watching a video of like a, like, concentration camp and just posting like, this doesn't look fun. Yeah, fucking no. It's like watching a video of like a concentration camp and just posting like, this doesn't look fun. Yeah, fucking no. It's not you dumb shit. We all know that. User, Roxu Ranger King, post the best thing I've seen on YouTube in quite a while. Not an idiot statement. He writes, I thought this was very so interesting. He writes, this video of a guy's face, gushing blood, has been on YouTube for five years. But if there was a single female nipple visible, it would have been removed by now. Makes sense.

Starting point is 00:58:37 God, no shit, Ranger King. How ludicrous is that about our culture? Video of a married father of two. So worried about his future. So desperate that he shoots himself in the head that he kills himself in front of a bunch of people. Blood gushing out of his face. That's okay for you to put a small warning on it that anybody can click. That's fine. But a woman's exposed breast. Get those filthy titties out of here. Get your disgusting, sinful, filthy titties out of here!

Starting point is 00:59:07 Or I guess more accurately, uh, filthy nipples. Get your fipples out of here! Get those fucking fipples out! Get those little circles of Satan out of here! Get those little circles that literally allow each new generation of human to live long enough to make it to solid food for almost the entirety of human history. Get those life-giving milk dispenters away from our kids. They might accidentally get a boner. How dare they? How dare they experience natural sexual inclinations?

Starting point is 00:59:36 Gross. Shame. Be gone, Lucifina. Uh-uh. Get away from those titties. Get those kids some death. Get them some death. Get them some death and sadness.

Starting point is 00:59:48 Let them see a man die before their eyes. What the fuck is wrong with us? What the fuck is wrong with our culture's weird, shameful, you know, look at sexuality. It's so fucking stupid. Ah, if you're that worried, it makes no sense. It makes no sense. It makes no sense. Ah, we are not good at making logical decisions as a species, not good.

Starting point is 01:00:12 Okay, Francisco Cisneros leads us out of this segment today, posting, okay, all right, enough internet for today. Good night, agreeded. Francisco. Agreed. It is. I'll be into that. Okay. Okay. All right. We're back into this scandal. Back into this crooked trial. All right. For Bud Dwight, Republican chairman of the State Party Committee, Bob Asher, also on trial with Bud due to being accused of taking a big bribe, is found guilty. And he is given a five year sentence for his involvement.

Starting point is 01:00:51 Asher actually would just be sentenced to one day, one day in jail. That's not time he's spent there. A day in jail and be given a fine. So I guess they were going after like a maximum of five years, is I read that wrong. Maximum five years, he actually gets sentenced to one day in jail for doing supposedly the exact same thing, like exactly the Bud Dwyer did. And then his political career continues without too many problems. Again, accused of the exact same thing.

Starting point is 01:01:19 To a Quattro also found guilty in exchange for his plea and cooperation in the investigation and prosecution of the contract case, i.e. throwing bud to wire under the fucking bus. Jimmy West asked the judge to drop 15 other charges against him. The question is granted and then to her quatto, he faced a maximum of five years in prison. He would serve less than two. Maximum of five and a fine of $10,000. By district judge malcom where uh... who would later say that like just publicly state that he would that he wanted to go after the max penalty

Starting point is 01:01:50 for the wire the same judge billed wire gets three and a half years in prison gets disbarred for broker in the deal think about that and the guy who allegedly offers the bribe the guy who brokers is alleged bribe and the other guy who allegedly accepted bribe none of those guys uh... given more than few years in prison, you know, fucking crap. And then there's our Bud Dwyer, the man who just wouldn't let governor Dickey take,

Starting point is 01:02:11 governor Grande, get reimbursed for fleecing the taxpayer. What does he get? Well, on December 18, 1986, Dwyer is convicted on his charges. He continues to claim he's innocent. As do his family and close friends, reaching the end of his rope, he writes, then president Ronald Reagan pleading for a presidential pardon to get him out of this mess, but knew he would be punished disproportionately. He knew he had made enemies. And this was their time for payback.

Starting point is 01:02:34 And he was right. While Dwyer was killing himself, prosecuting attorney Jim West's secretary was writing a letter to judge more asking for the maximum penalty. Fifty-five years in prison is what they wanted to give this guy. 55 years, no one else gets, was gonna serve more than two, and a fine of $300,000. That's what they want for a bud.

Starting point is 01:02:53 How, how is that fair? When you think about the other sense that's handed out in the same fucking trial. Also, they're gonna go out of their way to take his pension away, all of it. Going back to his teaching days, before he got, all right, leaving his family with nothing. All of that was gonna happen based on the words

Starting point is 01:03:09 of a known criminal and that dude, Shady Lawyer, who admitted to lying about bud taking the bribe later. And a guy who's in prison today, as well as I'll let you know later, a guy who's a found guilty of numerous other super shady shit. Can you imagine how you'd feel if you're bud? Imagine man, to know, you would essentially just been, not essentially, that you had been completely framed.

Starting point is 01:03:28 To know that the political machinery, you had devoted nearly your entire adult life to, to making, you know, the country better, the state better is now going to crush you into fucking oblivion. It's gonna take away your freedoms, gonna take away your wife's retirement, it's gonna take away your kids' inheritance.

Starting point is 01:03:44 You know, your kids' college funds, it's gonna associate your name forever in that state with scandal, a state you serve for your entire adult life. You work so hard to keep your name clean. And now you have one last chance to proclaim your innocence to the world. One last chance to make a public statement as a public official. What do you do? New friend of the show, well, this new friend would like to share his thoughts on the matter with you. Got a little unexpected visit today. Alright guys, welcome in, who just flew in here from Houston. Bob Bob, play a world, Bob Bob.

Starting point is 01:04:13 Lemon Croned tube that the eagle don't always put it in the top of no tree, some time I'm a little bit bothered, you feel it, not only good as a man who ride it, you dig, even perfect loud fly, when a man got a lead down real well, doesn't know a lot of your talent, does they know Disneyland, even making miles to get snails told from town to town, even even put a lot of flaw when a man got a leg down real well doesn't know a lot of your talent, doesn't know a Disneyland even making miles gets snatched off from time to time even goofy gets rocked off, buzz on em with chest you got coming, you can't laugh, let boy you got coming, you can, no no guarantee, for the next day

Starting point is 01:04:34 no day after that bop bop, lick that biscuit, don't lose that sticky you feel bop bop oh shit I was chicken Joe speak for unfortunately even in a democratic society with a pretty solid and fair set of loss, human beings have to administer those laws. And since we meet sacks are inherently imperfect and emotional, there will always be a certain amount of injustice in the world.

Starting point is 01:04:58 So enjoy life to the fullest whenever you can, because someday you yourself might also get unjustly railroaded by a corrupt system. I'm not sure how that adds to today's discussion, but I do appreciate chicken Joe stop and buy and share in his perspective. January 21st, 1987, two days before his scheduled sentencing, Dwyer calls his team in and sets a press conference for the following day. Despite his conviction, he was still the state treasurer, and many people thought he was setting up this press conference so he could publicly resign the day before sentencing.

Starting point is 01:05:30 He took his family out for dinner, their favorite restaurant, the Conteis, a decline dessert that night, told the waitress, he was watching his figure. Everything seemed normal, his family knew he was incredibly stressed out about the upcoming sentencing they all were, but no one thought he seemed suicidal. He thought he was taking actually all of it pretty well.

Starting point is 01:05:45 The following morning there's a snowstorm in Harrisburg and school is canceled. Bud's wife and daughter stay home. His son has to go to his university for one test. Dwyer goes ahead to work so that he can get to his press conference. Kisses his wife and daughter goodbye. The documentary is dotter states that she had written them a card with a poem telling him how proud she was of him, how much she loved him, and she didn't give him the card as she planned because it wasn't signed yet, and she was planning on giving it to him when

Starting point is 01:06:12 he came home that night. That's terribly sad. Big tear jerker portion of the documentary there. Told his son to come right home after his son's test, and then he set out for the office. Man, just with what he knew he was going to do, he had the suicide notes all written out. Oh my God, just the strength to not just let anybody in on it,

Starting point is 01:06:30 to not wanna make anybody sad. Whew, the office business is usual for bud. Tells his friend and colleague Vince not to attend the press conference. No good will come from it. All of the state's major newspapers and news channels are gonna be there, appearing in hopes of getting that first insight look into his resignation.

Starting point is 01:06:46 Dwyer begins the press conference by declaring his innocence and quoting a bunch of stuff about the criminal justice system from a pre-written, prepared, texty written. He spoke out against the death penalty, expressed great concern, regret for voting in favor of it as a member of the Republican Pennsylvania Assembly for a full half an hour he protested that he was innocent and he criticized some people who had been connected. I understand man, actually that death penalty is saying in his situation where it's like if he's now been convicted wrongly,

Starting point is 01:07:11 he's gotta be thinking like, oh shit. I sent other people who may have been convicted wrongly to their death. For a full half an hour he protested, he was innocent. He criticized some people who had been connected with his conviction, including some news organizations and reporters who were present. Moments before killing himself, treasurer Dwyer, implicated governor Thornberg

Starting point is 01:07:28 and the state's first elected attorney general, Lee Roy Zimmerman in a long-running bribery conspiracy and in the cover-up of this bribery conspiracy. Now that would be looked into after his death. Nothing would be found from the investigation. However, Governor Thornberg would get caught in some, you know, some corruption shortly after this himself. So I don't know. Just again, there's no legal process, there's a conjecture in my part.

Starting point is 01:07:51 It feels to me like the dude was corrupt. Republican treasurer Dwyer also accused fellow politicians of politically manipulating his criminal case. As he reached the final page of his speech, he spoke these words. He said, I think the good Lord giving me 47 years of exciting challenges, stimulating experiences, many happy occasions, and most of all, to find us, wife, and children any man could ever desire. How he didn't break down in tears right there. I don't even understand. Now my life has changed for no apparent reason. People who call and write are exasperated and feel helpless. They know

Starting point is 01:08:22 I'm innocent and want to help. But in this nation, the world's greatest democracy. Remember that whole thing about him teaching a, you know, democracy class all those years ago? There is nothing that they can do to prevent me from being punished for a crime. They know I did not commit. Some who have called have said that I am a modern day joke. For those who don't know, that's a, you know, biblical reference to a guy, uh, character who was who was punished greatly in his life here on earth, uh, on, you know, seemingly unfairly. Judge Moore is noted for his medieval sentences, I face a maximum sense of 55 years in prison and a $300,000 fine for being innocent. Judge Moore has already told the press that he quote, felt invigorated when we were found guilty,

Starting point is 01:09:02 and that he plans to imprison me for a long time as a deterrent to other public officials. But it wouldn't be a deterrent because every public official who knows me knows that I am innocent. It wouldn't be a legitimate punishment because I've done nothing wrong. Since I'm a victim of political persecution, my prison would simply be an American gulac. Wow, yeah, he's got to be thinking about those old days and polling right there too. I asked those that believe in me to continue to extend friendship and prayer to my family to work untiringly for the creation of a true justice system here in the United States, and to press on with the efforts to vindicate me so that my family and their future families are not tainted by this injustice that has been perpetrated on me. We were confident that right

Starting point is 01:09:42 and truth would prevail, and I would be acquitted. And we would devote the rest of our lives working to create a justice system here in the United States. The guilty verdict has strengthened that resolve. But as we've discussed our plans to expose the words of our legal system, people have said, why bother? No one cares. You'll look foolish. 60 minutes, 2020, the ACLU, Jack Anderson and others have been publicizing cases like yours for years. and it doesn't bother anyone At that point, you quit reading Perhaps why I just couldn't bring himself to read the final paragraph he'd written he refused to continue reading what he did write

Starting point is 01:10:14 You know he held that day and wasn't able to finish reads as follows says I've repeatedly said that I'm not going to resign as state treasurer After many hours of thought and meditation, I've made a decision that should not be an example to anyone because it is unique to my situation. I find this very interesting. He says, I've made a decision that should not be, should not be an example to anyone because it is unique to my situation. Last May I told you that after the trial, I would give you the story of the decade.

Starting point is 01:10:43 To those of you who are shallow, the events of this morning will be that story. But to those of you with depth and concern, the real story will be what I hope and pray results from this morning. In the coming months and years, the development of a true justice system here in the United States, I am going to die in office in an effort to see if the shameful facts spread out in all their shame will not burn through our civic shamelessness and set fire to American pride. Please tell my story on every radio and television station and every newspaper and magazine in the United States. Please leave immediately if you have a weak stomach or mind since I don't want to cause physical or mental distress. Joanne,

Starting point is 01:11:23 want to cause physical or mental distress. Joanne, Rob, D-D, I love you. Thank you for making my life so happy. Goodbye to you all on the count of three. Please make sure that the sacrifice of my life is not in vain. Woo, man. Whew, instead of reading his final up prepared words, he called three members of a staff to appear on the stage, given each the envelope. The first envelope contain a suicide note address to his wife the second contain an organ donor card. He's thinking thinking of people still his eyes by the way would be

Starting point is 01:11:53 donated. Uh, there's that the third envelope contained letter addressed to new Pennsylvania governor Bob Casey who had taken office two days prior to this press conference. Do I then produce his own envelope that manila manila one with a Smith and Wesson, 357 revolver inside. He spoke to the gathered crowd, brought the gun to everyone's attention, right? Please, please leave the room if this will affect you. Despite the please shouted at him. He continues, he refuses to put the gun down, advises everyone to stay back, says this will hurt someone. And then as the few brave men around him continue to attempt to make him reconsidered wire turns the gun shot or excuse me the gun towards himself He opens his mouth and inserts the gun. He pulls the trigger the bullet goes through his head killing him instantly and then he collapses to the floor.

Starting point is 01:12:36 And the finality of Bud's decision in that moment takes us out of today's time suck timeline. Good job soldier.'ve made it back. Barely. Man, sad story today. Sad that there's a good chance that the corruption of others is what got Bud Dwight convicted of corruption himself. Uh, tragic, he felt like he couldn't fight his way out of the situation he was in. Man, early in the episode, at the beginning, I said that the Bud Dwyer's actions, that

Starting point is 01:13:07 press conference, could be viewed as brave and courageous. Here's some additional information that leads to why I say that, right? This is why I say that. Dwyer knew that they wanted to make an example of him. He was right. He knew that the governor, the court, others wanted to take his pension also away from him, and he was right about that they did. And he also knew that if he still died, or excuse me, if he died while he was still in office, that they couldn't take away all of his money. Right? Since Dwyer died in office, his widow, Joanne, was able to collect full survivor benefits,

Starting point is 01:13:40 benefits that would, you know, only kick into effect if he died while being the treasure, the total over 1.2 or 1.28 million dollars So 1 million 280 thousand dollars a lot more than the 300 thousand dollars. He supposedly gained from bribes But you know supposedly thought about accepting from bribes Many believe that that part of why bud did what he did was was exactly this was a you know to provide some money for his family because The family's finances had been ruined by legal defense cost they had nothing their in debt. And they're going to take away all of his pension. She is not she was the homemaker not the breadwinner.

Starting point is 01:14:16 So his family like he knows his family is fucked. He knows his kids are not going to build a Ford college. His wife will never be able to retire, how she even going to pay her way through life, his family will be in ruins. He does see this as the best option. And again, I am not an advocate of suicide, but this is like he said earlier in his speech, a very unique situation. And I don't know that what he did wasn't brave and heroic, considering that. Okay. did wasn't brave and heroic, you know, considering that. Okay, so yeah, just hard for me, not to see some heroism in his actions that day. So now that we know how things worked out for our Bud Dwyer, how did things work out for

Starting point is 01:14:53 everyone else in the story? Well, his widow Joanne passed away in Tempe, Arizona, July 12, 2009 at the age of 70. She would move to Arizona shortly after Bud's death in 1988, cannot blame her. She battled cancer in her mouth and threw it last year's of her life and also battled alcoholism after his death. Her son Rob said she was never the same, never recovered after his death. She did open a bookstore in Tempe, Arizona called Acceptance Books, books that focused on like recovery, addiction recovery.

Starting point is 01:15:21 So she did some good in the world herself before she passed. D.D. tried to resume going to college in Pennsylvania, not long after her father's death, but it couldn't remain focused. God, I get that as much as I can. And then, you know, she also left Pennsylvania, moved Arizona to be with her mother. She still lives there. She's married, has 19 year old son. Rob followed his mother to Arizona. He's married, has a 26 and a two year old, and works as a real estate agent in Phoenix. Neither Rob nor D.D. or their mother, Joanne, held in the lasting anger towards

Starting point is 01:15:50 but over what he did. They talked about how he left them three beautiful letters, asking them to do their best in the world to make the world a better place, to not let his death bring them down as well. His daughter got all choked up, it's so sad she said that her dad asked her, you know, he said, at least like unlike your brother, you'll be able to take somebody else's name

Starting point is 01:16:08 and not carry the shame of the Dwyer name. And it just made her so sad that like her dad died thinking that his name was going to bring the family shame. Rob would later claim that he asked his father and one of their last conversations, look, did you do anything wrong? Did you take the money because it doesn't matter to me? I just want to know. And he said his father said, I absolutely did nothing wrong. Rob has never regained his faith in the justice system. Speaking in a 2017 interview, he said that he's a registered Republican identifying his fiscally conservative and socially moderate, but is not a fan of the court system. And he just says, I really question whenever you see a news report and

Starting point is 01:16:41 whenever you see that someone has been indicted. try to dumb down juries to try to make it easier to win their argument It is a flawed system My dad used to say we don't have a justice system. We just have a legal system It is just a system where legal things are just processed Regardless of intent or outcome and people do it to further their careers You know, I also do where I gotta say when I really think about the jury system I've done that joke about wanting to get, you know, avoiding getting stuck in a jury. And I think I've talked about on the show here before, but I did get stuck.

Starting point is 01:17:10 I know I have actually, uh, just for one day on a jury here in Corlein. And I don't know how else to say this, but the other members of that jury were just fucking morons. Like it terrified me. Like they really were like, what like what and like they had good jobs are out there but I'm talking like critical thinking it was a case where the person was blatantly guilty blatantly guilty of drunk driving like literally driving the wrong way on the freeway not easy to do for an extended period of time. Swirving way off of the freeway

Starting point is 01:17:44 going down the ditch rolling rolling down the hill, crawling out of the car, beer scattered everywhere, the police make it their hours later, and he still is over the legal limit. Like, he was fucking preposterously hammered drunk. And there were some people in here, like, no, and I just, just through talking to them,

Starting point is 01:18:02 this one person particular, had a bad experience a few times with police. And he would just start to shake when I'm like, it doesn't fucking matter what your experience was. Like, I bully these people. Openly, I'll admit that. And to go with my logic,

Starting point is 01:18:14 because it infuriated me that they were being so fucking stupid. And I'm like, dude, who gives a shit how, what your experience was like? Think about the facts of the fucking case. That's all that matters. And this guy would literally like shake. And as a grown man, look like he think about the facts of the fucking case, that's all that matters. And this guy would literally like shake and as a grown man, look like he was about to fucking cry. I wanted to fucking punch him out of his goddamn chair

Starting point is 01:18:31 and just rip his fucking beard off to he didn't deserve it, to have one. But like, I do understand what he's saying there which is like, goddamn man, some people, they just, it's, and I don't know how to not like I'd say in this too, but a lot of the people that have time to be on a long jury, it's, and I don't know how to say I'm not gonna say this too, but a lot of the people that have time to be on a long jury, it's like, how fucking little is going on in your life?

Starting point is 01:18:50 You can hang out for four months. Like you're not the kind of person I want to trust with making an important decision. Probably not in the upper fucking 5% in the intelligence scale. So, you know, this fucking, you know, I will say this suck, I've always been pro-death penalty. And I am pro-death, which is a weird thing to say,

Starting point is 01:19:10 I am very much pro-death. I am pro-killing people who need to be off of the fucking planet, who are predators. However, only if we have a solid legal system that can definitively find them guilty. Ah, this one, this one, you know, this one caused my faith in the justice system to shake for sure. Um, but yeah, my, and then Rob says, my dad used to say that we don't have a justice system,

Starting point is 01:19:33 we have a legal system. It is just a system where legal things are processed through regardless of intent or outcome and people do it to further their careers. It's interesting perspective. Uh, while Rob believed his father's innocence from the start, he doesn't agree with him taking his own life though. And by the way, time-stuckers, the National Suicide Prevention Line is,

Starting point is 01:19:50 as we've said before, 1-800-273-8255, that's 1-800-273-8255, that'll be in the episode description. I hope you don't think I'm making a line of suicide. I just, or that I'm in agreement that it's okay to kill yourself. I do find bud Dwyer's situation to be fair, unique. Uh, uh, uh, another thing, uh, William Bill Smith, remember him. He's the attorney who years later admitted to a line under oath to convict Dwyer. Well, after getting out of prison, he served three and a half years for, uh, the, you know, his connection to the Dwyer's case,

Starting point is 01:20:21 or the Dwyer case, uh, Bill will return to prison just over 20 years later in 2012 when he admitted to setting fire to a guest house on his property and to destroy evidence he was in bezzling that he was in bezzling, excuse me, from three elderly clients he was supposed to be taken care of. And then while still in prison for our Senate insurance fraud, he was then sentenced to additional time in 2004, excuse me, 2014, for conspiring to help his son escape from prison in Peru. The now 80 year old will almost certainly die in prison. And his son, William Smith, Jr, sentenced to 35 years in prison in Peru in 2011 for murdering his wife.

Starting point is 01:20:58 His son kills his wife, not the senior's wife, but his son kills his own wife. This member, sir, puts her remains in a suitcase, throws in the ocean, and then a washers back up on the beach and he gets cat. Tarkwado, that John Arck, Tarkwado Jr., the man who offered the bribe out of prison and back to California less than two years, live in and beautiful, new port beach, California. Then he filed bankruptcy and avoided paying the state of Pennsylvania, the fines he was supposed to pay, an association with the CTA company. His current whereabouts, if he is still living or unknown from what I can find, and I imagine he's probably just fucking living it up somewhere, probably swindling to someone else or living off the money, he's swindled from others.

Starting point is 01:21:34 Prosecuting attorney Jim West ends up leaving the DA and becoming a defense attorney. He still works in Harrisburg. His practice listed it being at 105 North Front Street,. If you feel like higher name, I guess. And what about the man who is more than happy to set Dwyer's trial and motion? Former Pennsylvania governor Dick Thornberg, Dicky T governor, Grundle. Well, he became the attorney general of the United States in 1988, serving under President Ronald Reagan and then George H.W. Bush. He resigned in 91 to run for the Senate.

Starting point is 01:22:03 For the U.S. Senate when his seat was left vacant, when a Pennsylvania Republican Senator John Hines was killed in a plane crash. And then in late 1991, while returning home from a short jog to the neighborhood, the then 59 year old was maltedats by both angles. Yes, the hellhound of time suck. First bit off governor, Grundel's balls. Then pin the politician to the ground then spit the governor's balls back into dicky tees open screaming mouth and then holding the

Starting point is 01:22:31 wannabe senator down with his one front paul bojangles screamed this is for blood wire and they held a politician's mouth shut with that pop the ball is about to throw in the church to death on his nuts and then when Dickie Grundle had passed, Bojangles looked to the sky, stood up on his hind legs and screamed, hey, you'll never know. And then he jumped into a space-time continuum wormhole and was sitting back by my side here in the suck dungeon. I feel good, but I didn't happen. Now it really happened to, obviously, he, uh, he didn't win a Senator's race, he got

Starting point is 01:23:02 caught in a scandal himself. There was a lot of speculation that he struck a deal the scandal didn't kick you might as he he legitimately lost the race then after the race was over uh... he got caught in a scandal there's a lot of speculation that he struck a deal with other politicians to secure his senate nomination fellow pennsylvania politician house majority whip william h gray

Starting point is 01:23:20 was a subject of an investigation to a ledge campaign finance irregularities so much Pennsylvania corruption. There was an ongoing grand jury investigation into his church's financial dealings, and it was reported that Gray would not run in this special election if in return Thornberg would drop the investigation into him. After a Senate law, Thornberg's campaign committee was then also sued in federal court by future George W. Bush chief of staff, Carl Rove rove who won the case rove won the case against

Starting point is 01:23:48 Thorneberg and collected a hundred and thirty out a hundred and eighty thousand dollars from the Thorneberg committee. And then after serving a one-year appointment as under secretary general to United Nations uh... for the United States in nineteen ninety three Thorneberg left politics behind returned to practicing law. Uh, he's still alive today at eighty six old, still consults as a lawyer, and I still believe he is corrupt and vindictive as shit. And now it is time for today's Top 5 takeaways.

Starting point is 01:24:22 Number one on January 22nd, 1987, Pennsylvania State Treasure, Robert Bud Dwyer shot himself on live television. Number two, I do not advocate for suicide in any way. However, had Bud Dwyer not died in office, and he would have been kicked out of office and taken to the prison the next day, the following day on the 23rd, his family would have been left with nothing. His literal sacrifice left him with over a million dollars making Bud Dwyer in my mind a fucking hero, a tragic hero for sure, but sometimes a problem just does not have any

Starting point is 01:24:52 easy solutions and Bud found himself in the middle of a terrible. What am I supposed to do now kind of problem? Number three, Bud Dwyer was convicted on 11 counts of conspiracy, mail fraud, perjury, interstate transportation and the aid of racketeering. Despite what people say on the web, these charges were not cleared after his death. So I could be wrong. Maybe he did take that bribe, but man, if he did, why would the man who testified that he did this under oath, former attorney William Bill Smith,

Starting point is 01:25:20 why would he lie about it later when it benefited him absolutely zero? Number four, if you are contemplating suicide, please call the National Suicide Prevention Hotline 1-800-273-8255. And number five, new info. I'm a big fan of the Industrial Metal Band filter. And one of my favorite filter songs, song that came out back in 1995, I remember what it came out, it was called Heyman Nice Shot. And it's about the suicide of Bud Dwyer. For years, I thought it was about Kurt Cobain. Many

Starting point is 01:25:52 people thought it was about Kurt Cobain, another suck subject. Here's a sample of the lyrics, you'd fight and you were right, but they were just too strong. They'd stick it in your face and let you smell what they consider wrong. That's why I say, hey man, nice shot. What a good shot man. Sounds like me and the lead singer, the songwriter, a filter, share some similar views in this case. Time, suck, tough, five takeaways. Alright, suicide about Dwyer sucked. Thanks to the Patreon space,

Starting point is 01:26:28 let's just revote that topic in. I'll be honest, I was not happy about the vote initially. I was not looking forward to this suck, but then when I got into the story, I found it fascinating. Because at first I'm like, well, there's no story. I killed himself.

Starting point is 01:26:40 I'm like, okay, that happened sadly all the time, but what's the story there? But then I got into the story. I found it fast-standing as you can, as you already know now. Good man, man, push into a corner. Whew, makes the best choice. He thinks that he can for his situation.

Starting point is 01:26:53 Wow. And again, I don't have a case to aside, but man, what, I've been rackin' myself trying to think of like, well, what else could he've done? You can say like, yeah, well, we could've argued it in court. He could've, but his family has no money. And when you've just been fucking railroaded, that hard, do you really think there's gonna be any chance

Starting point is 01:27:11 or you're gonna be found innocent the next time? Oh, I mean, you know, that could have continued to fight that case, could have just ruined his family forever. Man, rest in peace, our bud Dwyer, I hope wherever you are, I hope life's better now. I know I said in the past that suicide puts you into Nimrod's butthole, but I do think Nimrod makes exceptions.

Starting point is 01:27:32 I do believe in Nimrod's wisdom. Hail Nimrod. A big thanks to the time stock team, the high priestess of the Suck Harmony Velocamp, Jesse Guardian of Grammar Doberner, Reverend Dr. Joe Paisley, time stock high priest, Alex Dugan, the Biddle-Licks or team, danger brain space lizards and merch wizards, Alexis, Alexis, Axis apparel, Axis apparel.

Starting point is 01:27:51 Queen of the Succumbossum, just pretty much everything. Lindsey Cummins, big thanks to OG Bojangles research assistant Heather, knowledge ninja, Rylinder for putting together a great outline for today's show. Point me in the direction of that compelling documentary, Honest Man, the Life of our Bud Dwyer. And by the way, I did pull from a lot of other sources. If you're like, well, you just, you know, you just took their opinion. No, I looked into a lot of different things.

Starting point is 01:28:12 I just felt like they presented things the best way, but I did fact check it as we always do. Next week, we go cult again. Woohoo! Love sucking on some cults. I mean, we are after all the cult and curious. It's been a long time since we did a cult. I mean, I know I'm doing one on the live show,

Starting point is 01:28:27 the Matamoros cult, for those who get to come to the live time sucks, but we haven't done one in the regular time-sake feed for what feels like a while. Next week, we dive deep on the children of God cult. The children of God originally called teens for Christ, and then the children of God, and then the family love, and then the family, and then the family and then now the family international Not a good sign. We have to continually change your Colt name

Starting point is 01:28:49 Probably avoid in some legal situations Avoiding a lot of stigma and they still exist still around David Berg who died in 1994 founded this Colt in 1968 David of course believed he was God's prophet naturally These people always think God's talking through them. You know, I can't be wrong. I mean, sure, my mouth is moving, but God's voice is coming out. So you can't argue with me. Now, it's stuck my dick. It seems like to be the angle these people usually take. Then off to the wacky, doodle race as we go. By 1972, children of God had 130 different communities around the world. By 1976 six to then fifty seven year old burgl encouraging female members to engage in what he called

Starting point is 01:29:28 flirty fishing uh... well boy here we go the a wants to do engage in what he called flirty fishing just go on some thirty fishing expeditions uh... which was also quote showing god's love through sexual relationships with potential converts yes seriously not creepy at all. Hell of a way to entice new members.

Starting point is 01:29:48 I do, I gotta say, strong marketing program. They got going there. I imagine that was fairly effective. Like if I was a young dude, about some young single dude trying to decide, having a spiritual crisis, trying to pick between two churches, which one I'm gonna spend my Sundays on, you know that?

Starting point is 01:30:04 One church is like, well, hey, man, if you come over we got some Saturday, pal, looks You know you guys cast roles. Do you like cat? Do you like cream of mushrooms? Do you like can corn? Like burger. Yeah, we got cast roles and then some other churches like yeah, uh Linda and Susan here are gonna blow you they're gonna blow you and then you can, and then Tracy, she'll do anything. She'll do anything. Tracy, she's nuts. I'm gonna go with the blow job search.

Starting point is 01:30:31 I mean, hell is the fena. That's how you cook out some church. You wanna reach the younger generation? You blow way better than a boring sermon. But yeah, but one later researcher of the cult would present finance between 1974 and 1987. The practice of flirty fishing led to sexual contact with over 220,000 potential church members. And then they did a bunch of other weird sex shit that we will get into next week.

Starting point is 01:30:58 Things get weirder from what I've already told you. You're going to hear all about it. If you tune into next week's suck. And now it is time for time-sucker updates Get your time sucker updates First up time sucker DJ wrote into let us all know that time suck and LSD don't always mix well I love this tail DJ says hey Dan just wanted to write in to let you know that you have put LSD don't always mix well. I love this tale. DJ says, hey, Dan, just wanted to write in to let you know that you have put some real fear into

Starting point is 01:31:29 my head. I recently tripped acid for the second time of my life while on camping trip with some friends. Well, it's a for starters, I'm jealous. I've been, I've been really thinking about hallucinogens lately. It's probably not good. Unfortunately, we had some delicious gut bus in Chile that had me running off in the dark by myself to the bathhouse. After a while, exit the bathhouse and began my trek back to camp, the acid had kicked in. So by now of course, killers were watching me from the woods. All I could think about was my bleached skull

Starting point is 01:31:58 being some aspiring, domer-like killers trophy. I began to jog, finally making it back to camp safely. I returned to the water where my friends were skinny dipping only to be faced with slender man. Slender man like forms as the exited it reentered the water. That sounds terrible. I didn't mention it to anyone so the fear wouldn't become even more real. It's funny now, but the fear was real. I cursed your name at the time. I just love pictures. You've seen all these letters. Fucking damn comments. Fuck damn comments. Anyway, I love the show. You make my boring work day, funny and educational. I would recommend some merch. I go to Bonneroo Music Festival,

Starting point is 01:32:34 my home state of Tennessee. Oh, man, I'm going to go to Bonneroo. We usually fly a flag. Do I identify our camp and see if tense I would love to be able to fly a time. So I fly. That's a great idea. And so I could find home and maybe even find some fellow suckers, long live botjangles. Oh man, well thank you DJ, that's a great story, great suggestion. I think we might get some time-side flags in the before the years up. I thought I saw that on the future merch docket.

Starting point is 01:32:57 So I can stay more focused on episode development, Lindsey, Danger Brain, Access to Parallel. They're kind of spearheading projects now. I do have veto power, it's not like I'm hands off. I do check everything out, but I just don't have time to oversee like kind of development, and that's kind of more Lindsay's expertise anyway.

Starting point is 01:33:15 I like that though, I will mention it to her. I like this idea, I like it. Now we have a flat earth update from Time Sucker and Space Liger in Rique Abierre, or Abeta, probably Abéta. And Rique writes, hailed the tempest loose to Fena. I have a topic, a suggestion of Geronimo and the Apaches and I also have some flat earth fuckery.

Starting point is 01:33:36 I think you and the other suckers and Space Luzard will get a kick out of you. Man, Apaches, the whole Geronimo thing. I think that's been on for a while, the list. I know I've looked into it before. Yes, I'm sure someday. My friend's fiance works with a guy who's a flat author. Apparently, this blithering naive dalt, nice. I like that sense.

Starting point is 01:33:53 I like that little description. Blithering naive dalt. Ah, beautiful. Mwah. Actually, carries a half of a tennis ball with a string with him. Ha ha ha ha. In case this subject should arise. Actually carries a half of a tennis ball with a string with him. In case this subject should arise at my friend's party this Einstein, I wouldn't be surprised to be fucks his cousin pulled out that half ball dangly from the string and proceeded to pour water on it.

Starting point is 01:34:17 Well, stating that if the earth were in fact round, oceans would just drip off like the water on the tennis ball. They just don't get gravity like they really don't get it at all. They don't get a large mass attracting, you know, like pulling in on itself. Then the bigger the mass, the more powerful the pole, like the denser of the mass kind of thing. The only thing more infuriating than his ignorance

Starting point is 01:34:38 was his smugness, well oblivious to the fact that everyone in the room was at a loss for words because of how fucking stupid he is. It's hilarious to me, but on the same token, I've never wanted to savagely beat someone for being so well pleased to do it in my life. Savagely beat. I'm also a big fan of that phrase. Anyway, I just wanted to share that story with you. Oh, King Spaces or Cummins to you and my Federal Lizards, Hill Nimrod and keep on sucking sincerely the baby eating space was earned in re-k. Thanks and re-k, man, I get it, man. I know what you're talking about, that smugness.

Starting point is 01:35:06 I will say, I met a very friendly flat earther in Denver. This past little, well, I guess it'll be two weekends back now when you hear this. Good reminder for me, at least the people with terrible ideas like that can still be wonderful people. I mean, holy shit is the flat earth belief done, but I guess they can still be good people.

Starting point is 01:35:24 But I don't get about the flat earth, there's no motive. And I know I said this before, but there's no motive. There's no reason for the leadership of every country on earth to be in on this same conspiracy. Like, even if there was a true one-world government, why would they fucking care what shape the earth is? How does that matter for them controlling us? Right? Because that's always the part of the conspiracy that they can control us. How does that affect control, the shape? It's so dumb. There's no motive for this conspiracy.

Starting point is 01:35:48 Next up, shout out request from Times Lucker Shelby Blackburn, right, since I'm saying, hey, Master Sucker, I know this may be a long shot, but my boyfriend, Ian Jax, absolutely loves you. Mmm, I love that. Makes me love Ian. He has turned so many people onto your podcast. Yes.

Starting point is 01:36:02 And we actually saw you at Wise Guys last time, you were in Salt Lake City. Can you give him a shout out on an upcoming podcast? No, I can't, I don't have time. You would absolutely die if that happened. Like I said, a total long shot, but worth a shot to ask. Thank you for your amazing work.

Starting point is 01:36:14 Well, I appreciate the message, I don't have time. Let's get to the next message. No, of course I have time. Thank you Ian. Just did it. Appreciate you spreading the sweet suck. Hope you and sweet Shelby have a wonderful week. Now, Mara's shout out, first of all,

Starting point is 01:36:27 this is from, this is from, oh my gosh, there's so many names on here, and I didn't write down Mike, and this is from Mike. Mike or Max, one of the brothers, who says, first off, I apologize for the aggressive subject line, which I'm not gonna read, it's pretty aggressive, but I liked it.

Starting point is 01:36:45 I really needed to get your attention. I'm actually a huge fan of the show. My brother who got me into time suck, just got engaged today. Thanks to him, me and my other brother have been listening to your sucks in episode one. Yes. Him and his fiance are all about the suck.

Starting point is 01:36:56 He has multiple occasions talked about leaving her for both jangles, both jangles. Or chikotilo. Well, you mad. Well, it's called shim, cockles shim, only take your husband. We would be really fucking psyched if you could make a shout out to Safran Kusnos.

Starting point is 01:37:10 Oh, Jesus Christ. Kusnetsov. Kusnetsov, some kind of Russian bullshit. Please butchered the last name. He'll, oh, yeah. I'm not trying to butchered the last name. I just am. I cannot, I don't know what kind of fucking

Starting point is 01:37:21 way too many constant name that is. And his wife to be a leftina. Kus, Kusnesov, Kusnesov. I'll just say it fast. So it makes it sound like I'm just saying it in the, Kusnesov, Alex, Alfaltina Kusnesov. Tell him his brother's Mike and Max are super excited for him. And we don't care what he says.

Starting point is 01:37:36 We're singing karaoke, triple lamb, and James Ingram at his wedding. Yamal congratulations. Congratulations, Safron. Hope you and Alf Tina have a long happy life. Hope you change your name so like, Bob or Jen, so I can say me, you're in the future. Keep on stockin'.

Starting point is 01:37:48 And guys, good luck with the rest of the info. You mentioned your message. Keep growing that commercial fishing business. Love Alaska. Thank you. Okay, one more shout out. Or actually, no, before we get to that, actually, this is not a shout out to me.

Starting point is 01:38:01 This is for access. Apparel. Dear Suck Master, wanted to let you know that I had a defect with my chicken teal jambag. The zipper pull came out. before we get to that, actually, this is not a shout out to me. This is for access. Apparel. Dear Suck Master, I wanted to let you know that I had a defect with my chicken teal gym bag. The zipper pull came off.

Starting point is 01:38:10 I contacted your merch vendor. Let them know. They were awesome. Told me they're going to send me a new one. After dealing with some of the shittiest customer service all week from Verizon, I wanted to cry when K2 handles the returns. Let me know they were going to take care of me. It was awe inspiring.

Starting point is 01:38:24 Please, please, please have chicken show make a return. Oh, yeah, you know, he did know. It made me almost choke on my lunch here in that impression. Sorry for the long message. Hail Nimrod Dan Brown. Well, thank you, Dan, and thank you, Kate. Kate at accessapparelco.com. That's who you email to get shit taken care of, and she will take care of everything.

Starting point is 01:38:41 We try to, you know, if there's a big problem, we try to give you extra stuff to make up for it. You know, that's a big problem. We try to give you extra stuff to make up for it. You know, that's who you email. If we haven't gotten back to one of your emails, email her again. Email me if you don't hear back in a few days. You know, email the Bojangles at TimesWork Podcast.com. We're doing our best to give the best customers who can't because we want to make more people

Starting point is 01:38:58 like Dan happy. Glad you're happy, Dan. And now, now one last shout out. And if you send in a shout out, and it didn't make the show, please understand, we get so many. We do care about you, we hear about, we hear you. But we get several hundred messes a week.

Starting point is 01:39:12 Ways too many to put them all in or even close to all of them in. It's never personal when yours doesn't make it. And now let's get to Dustin, who says, Hey man, please read. I love what you're doing. Time suck to minion, reckoning, education, influence, and buck-buck play boi. Time suck to minion, reckoning, education, influencing, buck, buck, playboy, master, Michael, motherfucker,

Starting point is 01:39:27 McDonald, what, what, pop of air? Check it out, man, I messed you last year, same time, mentioned my birthday, didn't request a birthday shout out. This year I need one. I'm broke as shit, but I just want to shout out this year. Too many birthdays, too little money. It's hard being the only one working in a family for, I got a 24 month old girl named Mela six month old named Dallin A three and a half month old wait, you have you wrote down a three hundred and twelve month old So I'm gonna say what you meant was three and a half a three and a half year old name Ashley Please give me a shout out love this podcast only the reason why I know what a podcast is hey

Starting point is 01:40:04 I'm proud of what you guys have accomplished. I have a list of this episode seven. Cool watching how y'all grow. Told my wife I want to go to Spokane to see live. Anyways, man, yes, a shout out for Dustin. My birthday's on September 7th. On the next episode would be the best. Time, sucker forever, space,

Starting point is 01:40:19 that it assumes I can afford a Dustin Phil's from nowhere, Oklahoma. Well, happy Motherfucking birthday, Dustin. Yeah, man, hope life moves in a great direction for you. Your next trip around the song. Yama happy birthday. Whoa, happy birthday. I didn't forget seeing you happy birthday.

Starting point is 01:40:41 I didn't forget to say, hey, you have a good birthday. I don't know, that was improv. So, so I'll give myself a C on that. Last update, AXMAN update regarding surviving blunt trauma to the head. Glad Stephen Morrison, time sucker still with us. He writes in, hello, master sucker, Dan Cummins, your faithful space, Luzard Stephen. Oh, a space Luzard. MMMM.

Starting point is 01:41:02 Boner, full mast. I want to start off by saying I really enjoyed the drunkest fuck podcast, but I put it off, put off listening to it for a while, knowing that the ax man bashes in his victim's heads. Kind of a touchy subject with me. Only because on the 20th of July, while smoking a cigarette outside of work,

Starting point is 01:41:17 I was approached by a guy asking for a cigarette. It was 11.30 pm outside of a brewery for context. I just smoked my last one, so I told him no, and I didn't have another and turned the head back inside. That's when I felt something hit me in the back of the head. I'm not sure how many times he hit me, for sure twice, but could have been more based on the amount of wounds.

Starting point is 01:41:38 Multiple skull fractures. Two ruptured eardrums, 20 staples in the back of my head. Torn left ear had to have a chunk sewn back on, bells palsy in the right side of my face, which is temporary paralysis, never lost consciousness, crawled my happy ass to the brewery side door, put my hand on the door, and a customer leaving, saw me crawling and put my hand on the door and called for help.

Starting point is 01:41:59 Long story short, I'm doing okay, healing fine, police caught the guy, and found that the attack was random and the weapon wasn't found. All we know is that it was a blunt object. Worst part about it is that there was no reason. He didn't take my wallet or phone. But thanks for keeping this company while I'm at stuck home for the foreseeable future. Sorry for the long message.

Starting point is 01:42:16 Don't be sorry. P.S. come back to Grand Rapids. Michigan, we missed you. Thanks for doing the Here Come The Spoons, motherfucker bit. When you're here last time, one of my favorite, happy to see you live. Next time you're in Grand Rapids, stop by the Mitten brewery for a free beer on me. Heart. Well, I will be in Grand Rapids, Michigan.

Starting point is 01:42:32 Steven, man, I'm glad you're okay. Jesus Christ. I'm gonna be the Dr. Grins, November 15th through 17th. We just haven't put it on the calendar yet because they haven't put the tickets up for sale yet. We're bugging them. We're bugging Dr. Grins at the Bobdo. To put those tickets for sale. And yeah, doing that live time suck.

Starting point is 01:42:47 Get better, man. Sorry that happened to you. There's some real pieces shit out there. That is crazy, man. That they were that mad over you not giving them a smoke. Fuck them. Hope they get sentenced to a nice long stint for that kind of nonsense.

Starting point is 01:43:00 Glad you with this, man. Glad you with us. Hail Nimrod. See you soon. Thanks to everybody for sending in your messages. Thanks, time suckers. I need a net. We all did. Thanks for listening to another Suck Time Sockers. Have a great week. Space Lizards. Do your best not to get caught up in a political scandal.

Starting point is 01:43:21 Last scandal. More sucking. Always more sucking. Keep up sucking!

Timesuck with Dan Cummins - 103 - The Public Suicide of Budd Dwyer and the Tragic Events That Led Up To It

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