Timesuck with Dan Cummins - 11 - Ted Bundy, Real Life Monster

Episode Date: November 28, 2016

Ted Bundy is perhaps the most disturbing serial killer of the 20th century. Why? For starters, he didn’t look like a serial killer, so you can’t convince yourself you would’ve seen him coming. He was well-educated, well-liked, charismatic, and handsome. And evil to the core. And unlike most sociopathic killers, Ted knew he was evil. He described himself as the “the most cold-hearted son of a bitch you’ll ever meet,” and after listening, I think you’ll agree.

I've always been fascinated by serial killers. Maybe because I personally have never loved, quote unquote, fallen the rules. These guys really don't give a shit about the rules. Like, they break the most taboo rules we have in society. Rules I actually don't want to break, by the way. Assault, rape, kidnapping, torture, murder. And then the sociopath, serial killer,

they don't even feel remorse over the horrible things they've done. Like I feel guilty when I forget to set the trash out on the curb on Tuesday morning after my wife has reminded me yet again to do it the night before and I still forget. I'm like, God, fucking idiot, come on, pull your head out of your ass. Like I feel guilt and shame over, over little things like that. These people suffer no guilt, no shame. And in a very sick, disturbing way, it's like they're more free than the rest of us.

They do whatever the fuck they want. You know, within the realms of trying to not get caught, but like that's their only motivation a lot of times is they just don't wanna get caught. And it's fascinating how they can be, in some ways, just like the rest of us, you know, they're born the same way, they can get sick, they can be in some ways just like the rest of us, you know, they're born the same way. They can get sick. They can die. They walk, talk, breathe like the rest of us,

but they're not like us. They're almost like a different species, you know, but again, that that that interesting conundrum of, but they're not, but you know, somebody you know could be one, you know, it's just crazy. It's a, and I think another aspect regarding our fascination with serial killers of what you share or you wouldn't be listening right now and I think another aspect regarding our fast nation with serial killers, which you share, or you wouldn't be listening right now, I think we want to learn more about them so we feel safer. We want to see the monsters come in. We don't want to feel vulnerable to the darkness.

So we watch, we read, we listen to their tales. So we won't make the same mistakes their victims must have made, because they must have made mistakes, right? You couldn't just live your life the correct way and get nabbed by one of these monsters, could you? I mean, we're smarter than that, aren't we? Because you know, we must be. We wouldn't let one of these sick fucks get a hold of us. Well, boys and girls, I'm here to tell you this week that real-life monster, Ted Bundy, probably could have got you. One of the most prolific and disturbing

serial killers in American history, Bundy described himself as quote the most cold-hearted son of a bitch you'll ever meet. One of his defense attorneys, Polly Nelson, described Ted as quote the very definition of heartless evil. Get ready to know maybe a little more than you wanted about the man. Another one of Ted's attorneys, John Henry Brown, described as a rare type of sociopath, quote, a self-aware sociopath. Bundy knew he was a monster. He knew he was evil. Find out more on this morbidly fascinating episode of Time Suck. You're listening to Time Sun. Oh, I first out thanks for listening, everybody. Once again, special thanks to Time Sucker, Brandon Reyes.

He asked for this episode on Twitter. He wanted to know who my favorite serial killer was, which is kind of a weird thing, like favorite. I would say none of them. My favorite sort of pieces of shit. But you know, I get what you met. Uh, Randy, you want to know which one I was fascinated the most by. And, uh, and I, yeah, and I picked Bundy, uh, second, uh, my American listeners. I hope you had a, a good Thanksgiving. I spent mine with family and I'm thankful for, uh, for that. And very thankful that so many

of you are listening to this podcast. I hope you continue to enjoy it and not going to mess around anymore with the welcome means I got to get right into this because we got a lot of ground trying to cover in 30 minutes. I don't know if I'm going to be able to do it. So yeah, I picked Bundy because you know, I've been fascinated with him since, I guess, when since I heard about him and a large part of the reason is he didn't look like what I think of as a serial killer. Like Gary Ridgeway, the Green River Killer, Jeffrey Dahmer, John Wayne Gays, those dudes look fucking creepy.

Like those are the kind of guys that if you saw them, I think just based on all the pictures I've seen of all those guys, you'd be like, what's up with that dude? Like they just looked off for lack of a better work. They looked, yeah, like something is not right there. Yeah, you just kinda look, you know, where you can like, you know, when they catch him,

you're like, well, yeah, I can see that dude having a head in his fridge. And there's something comforting in that. It makes you think you could recognize another creep and avoid his fucked engine, right? Don't go near that guy. He's got a thin mustache, greasy hair, dead eyes, and he's handing out candy next to his rape fan.

And you're like, got it. Not going near that dude. Bundy look like a kind of dude. Who warned you about the kind of dude I just described? Like the guy you could trust. Like the guy who could approach him but like, hey man, this isn't a safe place for you to walk around alone at night.

I just got off work at the hospital. I would sleep a lot better knowing that you made it home safe. And then you get into his car and he'd smash you with a crowbar. And four hours later, your head is in a fridge and he's fucking your corpse. Yeah, those aren't random hypotheticals. It's the kind of shit the dude did.

He's a monster. Terrifying. The scariest person to me is the one you can't see coming. The proverbial wolf and sheep's clothing. You know, the one who seems sweet, you know. It's why the scariest Stephen King movie to me is the one you can't see coming, the proverbial wolf and sheep's clothing. You know, the one who seems sweet, you know, it's why the scariest Stephen King movie to me, I ever saw was misery. You know, Kathy Bates played this perfectly,

this woman who, you know, her little town, you know, thinks she's just a sweet loner, maybe a little weird, but not murderous, you know, but then when given the opportunity, she's capable and quite happy to commit evil acts. But this episode isn't about Annie Wilkes, this is about Ted Motherfucking Bundy. So let's get to know him, a little bit, a little overview with a time-suck timeline.

Shrap on those boots, soldier. We're marching down a time-suck timeline. I know, November 24th, 1947. Theodore Ted Robert Cowell is born in the quaint city of Burlington, Vermont. And Ted describes his childhood and death row interviews as being pretty normal. You know, good even. But really, really definitely not that normal. First off, he never found out who his dad actually was. Who his biological dad was.

His mom, Eleanor Louise Cowell. She first claimed his biological dad was an Air Force vet, Lloyd Marshall. That's who's listed on the birth certificate, but then later she said it was a sailor named Jack Worthy-Ten. No one will ever know for sure. Neither guy was ever located. We will never know the answer to that question.

What we do know is that whoever his biological dad was, the dude was gone, not in the picture. Other than there is a tiny bit of speculation that his grandfather could have fathered him through incest, but there is no proof of that whatsoever. And again, there's never gonna be a DNA test. So we're never gonna know that his mom has passed. So we're never gonna know the answer to that,

but there is speculation that his grandpa fathered him and I don't think from what I read, that's true, but I'm going to reveal some stuff in a little bit that might make you think, well maybe, because here's what happens. In the 40s, having a child out of wedlock, especially like when the dad was unknown, you know, it was very scandalous. You know, if you cared at all about social status, and so to avoid shame,

his mom did something super fucking weird in any era. She moved in with her parents in Philly and allowed Ted to grow up thinking she was his sister and that his grandparents were his parents. So weird. Grandparents, by the way, who didn't seem totally mentally stable. Grandma mom had received electro shock therapy

for depression, so she probably wasn't like the life of the party, she was clearly mentally ill. His grandpa, dad allegedly did things like throw his sister in down the stairs for sleeping in one time. And I guess regularly like beat the shit out of the family dog. I would say that it was probably pretty common

in the 50s. That's one of those things that I read when I went first I was like, oh, that's son of a bitch. But then I would, I mean, we're never gonna know this. But if there was stats on like how many, how many dudes beat their dogs in the 50s, I bet it would be off the fucking charts. That's just my gut feeling.

I feel like, you know, like beating your kids was socially acceptable. In the 50s, way more than today, who's given a shit about the dog? I don't feel like, I don't even know if Pita was around then. I doubt it. There definitely wasn't like pet co and Halloween costumes for dogs. You can get them, Amazon stuff.

So grandpa beat the dog, but as did probably most of his neighbors. So, okay, that one's not that, I'm normal to me. But Ted allegedly did abuse animals himself as a kid, like cats and stuff, you know, which is an early warning sign, you may be a sociopath. And again, this is speculation, not proof. If you don't know what a sociopath is, listen to episode four of this podcast, I cover it. Also when he was three, there's this story floating around in a bunch of different articles about how he ranged

a bunch of knives around his ancestor while she slept. So he's three of those she wakes up, some kind of circle of knives, which kids do weird shit, but that is, that's fucking creepy. Like if I would have woken up around one of my kids, I'm gonna say would have been Monroe, who would have put me in a circle of knives.

My daughter, if I had to put money on it, I would have been out of him, that would have made me nervous. If I don't have a lock on my door before that, I'm getting one after the knife circle. He had a strain relationship with his stepdad. I was a target of bullying. He was gonna have a stepdad later.

When Ted was four, but again, target of bullying, I was fucking bullied. I'm not out there killing women. Most people were bullied at some point in their childhood. So I always had him skeptical about the like, oh, I was bullied as a kid. I was just fucking everybody was. Yeah, that's how school works.

What kid was never bullied? That kid probably ends up being the most fucked up of all. You know, he probably, it's hard to maintain being the alpha bully your whole life. You know, you're gonna slump, and then you're not gonna be prepared for it because you want to slap down as a kid. It's gonna hit you harder than it should

when you're, you know, 30, and you can't fucking punch your boss, or you do, or you do, and you get fired, and then your life spirals down. Anyway, I don't know okay, so when anyone with ten is four. He's out in Philly, living with grandpa dad, grandma mom, uh, fucking sister mom, it's all very confusing. Uh, when he's four his sister mom marries an army cook named John Bundy, they move out to the coma wash and that's how he gets to the northwest. Uh, and everything I've read says he didn't Sitchor was his mom until he was in college,

but he must have had questions. Like why would his quote unquote parents send him across the fucking country from Philly to Tacoma to live with his sister? But why would he take his sister's husband last name? Lot of conflicting info about how Ted ended up finding out that he was, a bastard, so to speak,

and that his grandparents were his parents, some say he was teased growing up about it, but the most legitimate articles I seem to read said that he found out in college. And that's gonna come up later in this podcast. But regardless, he had a weird fucking childhood. There must have been questions. You know, like you're feeling like your parents

kind of abandoned you to ship you off with your sister. I don't know. So weird stuff going on there. But however, there are no stories of him being abused, no stories of him witnessing his mom being abused. He wasn't molested. Other than the weird sister mom, grandpa, dad situation, nothing you could point out

and be like, ha, that's why he became a serial killer. You know, no stories of Ted confided in a junior high school counselor that he liked to sort of my labrador's and where necklaces made out of Tabbycat vaginas. Where you'd be like, okay, there, fucking, there you go. That's how you become a serial killer. You wear cat vagina necklaces. Okay, there's no way he could be like me

because I don't do that. No, there's no big, like, gigantic red flag of like, okay, that's what way he could be like me because I don't do that. No, there's no big like gigantic red flag of like, okay, that's what said him on that path. So, 1965, he graduated high school, was a good student. Graduating, you know, had good grades to come to Washington. By the way, Gary Ridgeway, the Green River killer, who was convicted of 48 separate murders, Ted was, they don't know exactly,

but 36 is the general consensus of how many people they think can definitely be attributed to Ted Bundy, maybe 50 or more, I don't know. But Gary Ridgway, he graduated from nearby Thai high school in the Tacoma area at the age of 20 in 1969. So they could do the most prolific American serial killers in the 20th century, where only two years apart and we're in high school at the same time in the Tacoma Washington area, both later killing all along the I-5 quarter around Tacoma and Seattle.

That's a fucking weird coincidence, man. That's why the Pacific Northwest, I think, will always be associated with stereotypes killers, or at least in my lifetime. 1972, Bundy receives a bachelor's degree in psychology from University of Washington. Dude takes a job tracking habitual criminals for King County, law and justice planning office and Washington State becomes politically active, working for the Republican Party,

helping with campaigns. See again, I feel like we'd be more comfortable hearing about like, you know, he worked in a morgue and he was in charge of, you know, taking the eyes out of corpses. I don't know. Something creepy would be like, okay, there you go. That's why he said, nope. He was seemingly not only like just a normal dude, but like a good dude.

1973 and there's law school, to University of Puget Sound at Tacoma. He wouldn't have graduated because he got a little distracted after a breakup killing a shit-tunny young woman, but he did give it a go. And that's where we're going to get to the attacks here. January 4, 1974. Year of the earliest assault definitely attributed to Bundy. 27-year-old Bundy entered the basement of 18-year-old Joni Lentz shortly after midnight, bludgeoned her with a metal rod ripped from her bedpost jammed it so viciously into her bajay,

severely damaged her internal organs, and it was still there when a room went to found her the next morning. She was unconscious. She was in a coma for 10 days, suffered permanent brain damage. And yet when it came to encounters with Bundy, she would be one of the lucky ones,

because this sick fuck was just getting started, and it was extremely rare to get away. She's the one, well, no, there was one other later on who was actually attacked, like, attacked in private, if you will, and then got away. Like without, you know, like, he tried to abduct some people and didn't abduct them,

but there was only a couple that he actually assaulted but didn't kill. Okay, so that was January 4, 1974. Less than a month later, February 1st, he breaks into the room of another University of Washington student, Linda Ann Healey. His cousin's roommate, Weird, knocked her unconscious, dressed her up wrapped in a bedsheet, carried her away. She was never seen alive again. This is his first confirmed murder. March 12, 1974. So, you know, barely a month after that, kidnaps and murders, Donna Gale, 19-year-old Evergreen State College student, April 17, another month later, 18-year-old central Washington student, out of Ellensburg, Susan Rancourt kidnapped and killed. May 6, not even a month later,

20-year-old Kathy Parks, Oregon State University student, disappears from the campus and Corvallis, Oregon. Again, less than a month later. June 1st, 1974, 22-year-old Brenda Ball, first non-collar student, Bundy, has known to have murdered kidnapped outside the Flame, Ta tavern and Burian Washington, which is near Tacoma. Witnesses describe Brenda being last seen, talking to a man with his arm in a sling. This man with his arm in a sling described as talking to

several of Bundy's victims around this time, because he pretended to be injured to lower women's guards. Her smash school was discovered in 1975. 10 days after that, June 11th. Bundy kidnaps and murders 18-year-old co-ed, George Hann Hawkins, back to UW, July 14th. Just over a month, he fucking goes nuts at Samamish State Park. And he gets two women, which is just East of Seattle in this quad wash. And he kidnapped both 18-year-old Denise Nazlin,

23-year-old Janice Ott. Confessions obtained many years later, supposedly tortured them together, forcing one to watch the other die. What a sick, sick motherfucker. Again, this dude is a monster. So 1974, like the first half of 1974, in a six-month period,

eight young women disappear around Washington. You know, you just end up ordering for the one but around the Western Washington area, all between the ages of 18 and 22, and then Bundy takes off. He leaves the state, he heads to Utah. All these women were strikingly beautiful by the way, which I don't know, I never know fully why that makes it seem worse to me.

Like when you see the victims and they're just like these beautiful young women, I guess it seems like they have more potential. I thought you fucked up that, but it is true. Like if all the women would have been just like horrifically ugly, I would have, yeah, it still would have been horrible. Absolutely, one life shouldn't be more than other, but on some weird level in my brain that I can't help, it seems like a smidge, this is fucked up,

but it seems a smidge less sad. It shouldn't, that's such a best up thought, but if you're honest with yourself, you know you fucking have the same thought. How is that? You know, it just seems like, oh man, they really had like an amazing life in front of them and he just snuffed it out.

I feel guilty now even to saying that out loud but it's like I don't know why I think that but it is true. So it's said these women, I mean young 18 to 22, you know, go into college, primary life in this fucking monster grab something. But you know, I guess if you were, you know, ugly in the Northwest that time, you had a better chance of living. So there are benefits to being ugly. There are definitely benefits. By the way, this is just a weird thing here.

During this whole time, he had at least one girlfriend. So while he's doing all this stuff, Liz Coppler dated Ted on and off, mostly on during all of the Northwest killings and for a few years afterwards. And new Ted was sneaking out in the middle of night. She's not mostly, he was just cheating on her, but she did call the police three separate times.

None of the calls were taken seriously because they were getting like, you know, after a few of these murders started going, they were getting, the hotline was getting like hundreds of calls a day. So, okay, so he takes off, you know, he's feeling the heat over there. Things are getting too intense.

He takes off to Utah. He applied to law school at the University of Utah. He got accepted for the fall of 74 and then on September 2nd on his way over there in Idaho, southern Idaho, killed a hitchhiker. And then October 18th, once he gets there, he kills Melissa Smith, 17-year-old daughter of the Midvale Utah Police Chief. This is messed up too, man. Post-Mortem records indicate she was kept alive for at least five days after being kidnapped, she was raped, satamized, strangled. Yeah, this guy, man, October 31st, you know, less than two weeks later.

Kidnav's and kills another 17 year old girl, Laura Aime and Lehigh, Utah. November 8th, I mean, he's really escalated. He's faster and faster. You're like, what, eight days later, he tries to get somebody, Carol DeRanche, is approached by Ted Bundy, who's claiming to be a police officer. He's in a uniform on in a Roseland, Utah parking lot, tries to kidnap her.

She gets away. This is gonna come back to Hanum. So 7475, additional victims, Debbie Kent, Karen Campbell, Julie Cunningham, 12-year-old Lynette Culver, Susan Curtis, all vanished from Utah and Colorado. He took a couple ski trips to do some skiing and killing. That's how he blew off steam when he got, you know, we've done with the work week of killing people.

In Utah, he's like, man, I need a break, I'm going to go kill some people in Utah. He's like, man, I need a break. I'm gonna go kill some people in Colorado. So finally, on August 16th, August 16th, 1975, excuse me, this motherfucker finally gets arrested. He gets pulled over in Granger, Utah, a suburb of Salt Lake City, and just a random happenstances, mostly how he gets arrested.

This cop notices car parked in front of this Volkswagen Beetle, which he drove in front of his neighbor's house. And he knew that the parents who lived in that house of these teenage girls who were staying there were on vacation for the weekend. So he knew the girls were there alone. He sees the car, he doesn't recognize parked in front of them. Some dude, he doesn't recognize it in the driver's seat.

He flashes his lights, you know, do you want to go question this guy? Ted takes off, drives off, cop tracks him down, pulls him over, scuffle ensues, but then he does arrest Bundy. He doesn't know who he is, doesn't know that he's the guy from the Northwest at this point, because the authorities have no fucking idea who is doing this still at this point. He's not, you know, Bundy isn't wanted or anything at this point. And then in the VW Beetle, and I'm going to have a picture of this on timesockpodcast.com

on this episode was like his kit, his abduction kit. There was a ski mask, a second ski mask made out of pantyhose, crowbar, which was kind of his knockout weapon of choice, handcuffs, trash bags, coil of rope, ice pick, burglary-related tools. He said these were all self-defense things. Let's like, get the fuck out of here. Really, you're gonna have for yourself defense, you're gonna have two ski masks.

Hold on, hold on man, hold it, hey buddy, stop beat me for a second. I'm gonna put on this ski mask that makes me feel more confident. Actually, I'm gonna put on two ski masks. That makes me feel more confident in my defense attempts. And then hold on, stop beat me. I'm gonna get a crowbar on my left hand. I'm gonna get a, hey, stop put on two ski masks. That makes me feel more confident in my defense attempts. And then hold on, stop beating me. I'm gonna get a crowbar on my left hand. I'm gonna get a, hey, stop punching me in the face.

I'm gonna get an ice pack. Ice pick in my right hand. And now I feel like some weird, kind of watchman type, you know, era superhero. What the fuck? Okay. So, you know, and they don't buy either, the police don't buy either.

But apparently he was very always, whenever he was questioned by police for these things, he was always like very calm, just like, hey man, there's no big deal. Here I can explain, you never got rattled, because he's a sociopath, doesn't feel normal emotion. But there's Utah Detective Connects

funny to the Durant, attempted kidnapping, all right? So now they have reason to search his apartment. And evidence is apartment connects him to some missing women in Colorado. So on March 1st 1976, Bundy is quickly convicted in Utah for the attempted kidnapping of Durant. She identifies him. And then he is extradited to Colorado for some murder charges because a couple of the women he killed there, he had pamphlets and different things, evidence of being in the exact same town and some other being in the exact same town

and some other things on the exact same day they were taken. So he's enough for him to go on trial. So then June 7th, 1977, he's waiting trial. I'm sorry, he's going in trial in Colorado. Check this shit out. This is prison escape number one. This dude, man, this is nothing that may be fascinated about Ted Bonny. He escaped from prison twice after being arrested

for fucking murder. Like, I don't even know if anyone's ever done that before. Twice, I doubt it. I doubt it, not in modern history. So he's in preparation for a hearing in the Karen Campbell murder trial in Colorado. He's taken to the Pitkin County Courthouse in Aspen. He said he wanted to go there and get his affairs in order.

There's a court recess. He was allowed to visit the Courthouse's law library. And then he jumped from a second story window and just ran off. How do they not have fucking bars on this window? He just runs off. He did sprain his right ankle. And but he makes it for like five, six days.

He gets caught because it's like winter. I'm sorry, it's not winter. What am I talking about? It's June, it's not winter. But he goes out in the wilderness and he gets like lost on this Aspen mountain. He hangs out in an abandoned hunting cabin for a couple days.

He loses his sense of direction. He's trying to get to this town. He couldn't crest a but he couldn't figure out which way to go. But, even though he got caught before he got caught, one of, there was like a search party looking for him. And check out how charismatic this dude was. A search party, if I can, runs into him,

finds him, search party member, armed search party member. Ted convinces this guy to be like, nah man, that's not me. That's, yeah, I know, yeah, I know I look exactly like the guy in that picture. I know I'm all kind of grungy and I've been standing in the cabin and I'm limping

for my jumping out of a window, but that's not, he convinces this dude, this dude's like, okay, okay, yeah, no, I get it, you're just out hiking. Yep, you're just, that's, ha ha, careful buddy. Don't hike around here anymore, looking exactly like a Ted Bundy, and he gets away, but then he makes it to this, finds a car, finds this Cadillac, and he actually does start to drive off,

but he weeping in and out of his lane, and he gets pulled over. Man, freak traffic accidents, or traffic incidents are the fucking downfall of this guy. So this is a second like car related incidents that trips him up. So now he's back in prison, not for that long. Not for that long.

That was June 7th, was his first escape attempt. December 30th, he's back in custody and he's in Glenwood Springs, Colorado, and this jail waiting another trial. Somehow this fucking guy acquires a hacksaw blade and $500 in cash. How lax were the prisons and jails and Colorado in the 70s? Jesus Christ, it's like a weird movie. And then he loses a bunch of weight,

he starves himself quickly, so he can, he hacks into this like great, there's like a great in his cell, like a, I don't know, some kind of screen or something, maybe like an air conditioning thing or some kind of, some kind of ventilation shaft and he gets skinny enough to go through there, needed a hacksaw for it, apparently no one is fucking paying attention.

That tends to this guy. It's not like he's wanted for murder or anything or, you know, being a, has been charged with murder. And then he just fucking sneaks out. He, he, he crawls through, and I guess another, like somebody in the cell next to him was like, Hey guys, I can hear somebody crawling in the walls and they're like, yeah, yeah, yeah, fucking lazy as cops ever. And he gets out.

He gets out. And not funny, but it's just crazy that he was able to escape so quickly. And then by January 8th, he is in Florida. So he escapes in the winter from a Colorado jail. And eight days later, he is on the loose and fucking towel half-seed. He has an alias of Chris Hagen. And nobody knows where he is.

And then by January 15th, in the early hours of Super Bowl Sunday, Bundy Strangles, two members of the Florida State chapter of the Chi Chi Omega sorority, Lisa Levy, and Margaret Bowman, sexually assaulting one of them, then he assaults two other girls in that sorority before clubbing and severely injuring another girl a few blocks away. So he attacks five women, kills two of them, leaves town.

By February 9th, he is struck again. He rapes and murders a 12 year old girl named Kimberly Leach and Lakeland, Florida. By February 12th, he is stolen a new Volkswagen Beetle. You know, he's having a hard time finding work with the fucking country looking for him. He is stopped by a telehassy police officer, David Lee. He gets pulled over.

Fights with this dude is subdued, arrested. When they take his prints back at the station, they figure who the fuck he is, and he's charged with recent sorority murders. And then he goes on trial. He's found guilty of the Florida sorority murders and the 12-year-old girl, but then confesses to eventually to over 30 killings.

Most of them at the end, which is not, just to kind of like delay his execution, by the way. So after all that, he actually, he was only convicted of three murders, but he gets two death penalties for it. And then January 24th, 1989, 11 years after his last murder, 7 a.m. in the morning, he's executed in the electric chair known as Old Sparky, in the Raffer Prison, in Stark, Florida. His last words were, I'd like you to give my love to my family inference. And then more than 2000 volts were applied to this piece of shit for a little less than two minutes. He was pronounced dead, crowds outside the prison, cheered, sent

out fireworks. True monster died that day. Good job, soldier. You've made it back, barely. BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! Okay, so after your, at timeline, the questions popped up into my head were one, how did he do it and two, why did he do it? First, let's get into the how, all right?

The kidnap method, uh, Bundy did, he was big on luring his victims over to like his vehicle by asking for help while he had his armness sling. Kind of like the silence of the lambs, if you ever saw that movie, he was like, oh, can you just go to my van? You know, and then he fucking gets to go, that was I'm sure inspired by Bundy. But he would wear his armness sling or some kind of cast on his leg, limp and be on crutches. You know, so at Lower Duman's Garden, they think, oh, okay, I get it, this guy needs help,

he's, you know, his arm is OK, I get it, this guy needs help. His arm is busted. And then fucking bam, crowbar. He would knock him unconscious and then drag him out to someplace and have his way with him. After he abducted him, typically like sexually assaulted, strangled, death by strangulation. He would drive his victim to some isolated area.

And spending a lot of time, this kind of having sex with the women before and then after killing them. He would come back like a lot of serial killers do and re-assault the corpse until it reached a state of decay that it was no longer physically possible. This fucking bitch, shit, Jesus Christ. And he would take Polaroid pictures, I guess, of a lot of them too, as some kind of

memento. He claimed he worked so hard to commit the murders, he wanted to remember all the details. Jesus. He would apply sometimes makeup to them, wash their hair, get them to look like how he wanted. Oh, Jesus. He kept at least, according to him, 12 of their heads, or I'm sorry, four, no, decapitated at least 12 of them. It kept at least four of the skulls in his fridge, or head, you know, heads in the fridge, and then skulls around the house as trophies. Oh my God, man.

It's really, really sick, really, really sick. And before we get into the why he did all this, let's take a break from the super heavy, super dark crime details with some weird facts. Weird facts. All right, here's the first weird fact. Ted Bunny was a suicide operator. Like a suicide hotline operator.

Yeah, in the early 70s, and he worked with future crime author and rule, a woman who ended up writing the definitive autobiography on Bundy called the Stranger Me Side Me. And she and other co-workers remembered him as being a skilled volunteer who quote, helped ease troubled callers and save lives. The fucking irony of that.

I mean, I guess he just wanted to play God. You know, he decided who lives and dies. He rescued a toddler in 1970, a three-year-old boy who wandered away from his parents, fell into Seattle's green lake, Bundy jumped into the water, rescued this kid. I'm guessing if it was a girl, maybe he wouldn't have tried his hard, seemed to have some serious issues with women. He also helped catch the green river killer while he was in prison in in Florida.

He consulted with Northwest police officers to try and catch the green river killer. You know, he didn't. He wasn't caught until years after Ted died, but I guess he tried to do that. And he may have a daughter, Florida law at the time of Bundy's incarceration. I guess you could have conical visits like during the trial. Like once he was found guilty and he was on death row, no conical visits. From my understanding, you could before that. And he dated from prison and then married this woman named Carol Ann Boone,

and supposedly, a lot of rumors around the web say he fathered a child, can't prove this, no one's ever come forward, and who would? Who's he be like, yeah, I'm Ted Bundy's daughter, you bet, I look just like my dad. ["Ted's Dad's Dad's Dad's Dad's Dad's Dad's Dad's Dad's Dad's Dad's Dad's Dad's Dad's Dad's Dad's Dad's Dad's Dad's Dad's Dad's Dad's Dad's Dad's Dad's Dad's Dad's Dad's Dad's Dad's Dad's Dad's Dad's Dad's Dad's Dad's Dad's Dad's Dad's Dad's Dad's Dad's Dad's Dad's Dad's Dad's Dad's Dad's Dad's Dad's Dad's Dad's Dad's Dad's Dad's Dad's Dad's Dad's Dad's Dad's Dad's Dad's Dad's Dad's Dad's Dad's Dad's Dad's Dad's Dad's Dad's Dad's Dad's Dad's Dad's Dad's Dad's Dad's Dad's Dad's Dad's Dad's Dad's Dad's Dad's Dad's Dad's Dad's Dad's Dad's Dad's Dad's Dad's Dad's Dad's Dad's Dad's Dad's Dad's Dad's Dad's Dad's Dad's Dad's Dad's Dad's Dad's Dad's Dad's Dad's Dad's Dad's Dad's Dad's Dad's Dad's Dad's Dad's Dad's Dad's Dad's Dad's Dad's Dad's Dad's Dad's Dad's Dad's Dad's Dad's Dad's Dad's Dad's Dad's Dad's Dad's Dad's Dad's Dad's Dad's Dad's Dad's Dad's Dad's Dad's Dad's Dad's Dad's Dad's Dad's Dad's Dad's Dad's Dad's Dad's Dad's Dad's Dad's Dad's Dad's Dad's Dad's Dad's Dad's Dad's Dad's Dad's Dad's Dad's Dad's Dad's Dad We're the facts. Okay, so why did Ted do it? Ted, this is Ted blamed porn for the murder. He blamed the absent father, the media society's grandpa dad, anyone but himself.

But the porn one, this is such a cop out. I'm gonna play you. We're gonna listen to him telling you why he thinks he did it. And I've met a lot of men who were motivated to commit violence just like me and without exception. Every one of them was deeply involved in pornography without questioning, without exception, deeply influenced and consumed by addiction to pornography. There's no question about it. The FBI's own study,

on serial homicide shows that the most common interest among serial killers is for not and I'm by it. I mean, I buy that, you know, like pornography could be a common issue among serial killers. As it is amongst just dudes, it's a common interest amongst dudes. But like, think about the, oh my God, the amount of guys who are into porn is fucking staggering. It's not a multi-billion dollar industry by accident. And how many people are out there just chopping up women? Very, very, very few. There's not enough even close to make any type of correlation.

To me, this is just him, like, he doesn't want to be like, no, I'm a complete fucking piece of shit. I'm a monster. And yeah, I'm an evil fuck. Which he did say earlier, he's not saying that now. That interview was like hours before he died. And I just don't buy it. I just do not buy it at all.

I think there's no cause and effect relationship. I think certain people are just broken in a certain way that makes them more susceptible to violent acts. They have a violent nature in my opinion. And then you know, sure, if you expose that violent nature to something like violent porn, maybe that gives an inspiration to do a certain thing to people, but I think they would have done something similarly heinous if they hadn't been exposed to that. You know, and then they would end up blaming something else for inspire them. It's like,

it's like blaming violent video games or death metal on murder as people have done. You know, games, music, porn, it's all fantasy and only mentally ill people are people with a pre-existing violent disposition are going to cross that line from fantasy to reality. You can get rid of all the porn, violent video games, violent music, people are still going to do fucked up shit. I mean, look at medieval Europe. People were being raped and tortured and murdered constantly. And there was no porn, movies, games, or heavy metal.

No one was like, where I didn't want to hurt those women, but then I heard Blake the Buzz, devilish harpsolo, and I just needed to stick my dick where it didn't belong. I don't know where that guy's from in Europe. That was like a, like a hot potch of accents is my accent, he was your, but you know what I mean? It's like, come on dude, no, no, no. Yeah, later in the video, he does say,

he's like, we are not inherent monsters. We are your sons, your husbands, blah, blah, blah. And pornography can reach out and grab any of us. No, no, huh, what a piece of shit. You just rationalize yourself as the fucking victim. That's what makes me really mad about that. It's really dude, you're the victim. Oh, I was a great guy, but then porn got a hold of me.

And now I just carry the guilt of raping and torching all those women and girls, but really, I was being tortured in rape too by porn. The old circle of rape and torture. No, you're a monster. 1.2 in the video, he says, it snatched me out of my home 20 years ago. Oh, God. Come on.

You just, this is hours before your execution. You're just trying to ease your conscience, you know, for some potential afterlife, just because you got real Christian at the end too too, is a lot of felons do. Sorry, guys, you know I'm a Christian, right? I just need heaven, heaven, hell, hell, hell I've been through. Boy, just jerking off to all that porn and killing all those women, it was pure hell. Uh-huh.

Here's why I think he did it. I think if you look at what Bundy said before his final interview, I think he was a lot more honest. Like after he was first caught, he was way more candid in some of his early interviews. Here's some quotes. One is, I just like to kill. I wanted to kill.

Another one is, murder is not about lust, it's not about violence, it's about possession. Dude was clearly very into control. You know, with the time he spent with the victims afterwards, even the suicide hotline operator, he like feeling like in control of people's lives clearly. Another quote, which one less person on earth anyway, sadly, I relate to that one a little bit. You know, sometimes when like with shitty, when a shitty person dies, I'm like, eh, okay. But he took it a little far, he took it a little far. Quote, you feel the last bit of breath leaving their body, you're looking into their eyes, a person that situation is God.

Okay, again, clearly about control. And then the sociopath thing, he says, another quote of his from early on is, I don't feel guilty for anything, I feel sorry for people who do feel guilty. Sociopath. And now, another thing I wondered though too was why did why did he just start doing it in like you know 27 years old what was like was there a catalyst? Yes yes there was. And late 1966 19 year old University of Washington student Ted Shy meek slight and frame guy who's picked on high school

never had a serious girlfriend. He enters a relationship with the gorgeous and wealthy California girl, Stephanie Brooks. Brooks was Ted's whole world. Everything that I've read about this points that he was madly in love with her. Madly in love with Stephanie. She cared for him, but not as deeply. And after her graduation from UW in 1968,

she breaks off the relationship, heads back to California. She said she didn't see a future in Ted, and this fucking sticks in his head. She didn't think he was ambitious enough. And so he kind of dedicates his life, you know, besides I'm going to go to law school, all these things. And there definitely is a coincidence where a lot of his future victims bore a striking resemblance in age and appearance to staff, he's the same kind of hair, hair done the same

way, same frame, same facial structure. So that happens to me, it gets this breakup. And then right after the breakup in 68, early in 69, is supposedly when he's out in Brodington for a month, visiting family and finally learns about grandpa dad and all that shit. That's gonna fuck your head up, just boom, boom, big breakup, oh, and by the way, your family's not who you think they are.

Y'all know that. So that, okay. You take somebody who's already, you know, clearly has something inherently wrong with them, and then you add those two pieces of the puzzle, not good. And then apparently right after he, he, those two things, he goes from being shy and timid to kind of cool, cold, focused. And again, tries to become the man that Stephanie, he would have wanted, the law school, he goes in. But then, okay, so right after he controls in law school,

he's dating this other girl, but then he goes on the side and he gets Stephanie back. He gets her to fall back up. She likes this new Ted. She likes this new focused Ted. This incontrol Ted, who's her, asked her to marry him. And then two weeks after they get engaged, bam, cut off contact for good.

And I think again, this is about control. He's fucking in control now. He calls the shots, you know, it's not a coincidence, just a few months after that. A few months is that when the Pacific Northwest murders began, and that's when he goes on a killing spree, as long as he's not incarcerated, he is killing like just a few months after that.

And yeah, he was just a sick little fuck of a man who clearly didn't handle rejection well. He was very intelligent and very deep his ways, and he dispensed the rest of his life, hurting women after being hurt himself. It's like, oh, I wasn't good enough for you before, fuck you. Now, you can feel the pain of being rejected.

Oh, and I'm not gonna go talk to a therapist about this. Instead, I'm just gonna brutally murder people who remind me of you, live out some sick fantasy. And yeah, so that is Bundy. That is Bundy. That is the gist of who he was and what he did. And now without further ado, top five takeaways. Time suck, top five takeaway.

Top five takeaway, number one, Colorado was a great place to be incarcerated in the seventies. Apparently fairly easy to let yourself out. Number two, don't hitchhike, especially for your young attractive woman. You know, the few times I've actually seen a young attractive woman hitchhiking, I do always have the exact same thought.

I'm like, are you trying to get killed? Are you trying to be murdered? What the fuck are you doing? Don't do that. Number three, you can't blame murder and rape on porn. Sorry, perverts, if you're out there killing and or raping your sick fuck who deserves to die. Horribly, it's no one's fault but your own. Addle.

Number four, letting your kid grow up with a grandpodetti and a mommy sister, probably not the best way to go ever. Not saying it's what made Bundy Bundy, but it can't help things. I doubt you will run into a lot of like, you know, PhD college professors who like, yeah, I like you to be in my grandpa debt. Yeah, not a lot of super successful people are gonna have that backstory.

And number five, Ted Bundy is as evil as you get, man. There may have been people who committed more murder in Mayhem, there certainly were. Hitler, Genghis Khan, Stalin, et cetera, but I think Bundy is as evil as any of those guys and just anyone, like he's maxed out on the violent sociopath chart to do such heinous things and in such a personal way to literally take polaroids of the light going out women's eyes. I mean, he wanted to see them be right there in their face when they die.

Holy fuck. So as a positive takeaway from this episode, if you've done some bad things, you're thinking, man, I am such a piece of shit. I didn't mull the lawn again Take comfort and not being nearly as bad as Bundy Or if after listening to this podcast you don't even understand what the fuss is about you're like wasn't it a deal? I don't how is he a bad guy? Please stop listening to this podcast forget you ever heard of me never go to a show never ever go to one of my shows I do not need an evil fan

Figure out where to find me and my head and end up in their fridge. So there you go guys, that was that was that was Bundy. Um, we didn't even come close to 30 minutes. I tried, but man, there's just so much. I feel like I did a good job getting and getting that in under 45 minutes. And again, thanks for listening. Thanks for the topic suggestions. You know, I'll mix it up. I'll take some of yours.

I'll go with some of mine. And we'll just see what this train takes us all. I hope you're enjoying learning about some weird things. And if you wanna see pictures of some of the things I talked about, I'm gonna put put pictures of Ted's abduction kit, pictures of Stephanie Brooks, the woman who's breakup, was again the kind of the catalyst to get him going on his murder spree, a terrifying pick of Ted representing himself in court, and then also a way to normal looking Ted in court. All that's going to be in time of psychpodcast.com, and you can you know, access that on your mobile device, or any other device, and check out those pictures, and you know access that on your mobile device or any other device and check out those pictures and you know enjoy your week and

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