Timesuck with Dan Cummins - 120 - Year End Wrap Up! And More Tales of Inspiration

Episode Date: December 31, 2018

Happy New Year's Eve! We take a look back at 2018 and a look forward to 2019 today on Timesuck. We also find more inspiration in the tales of Nick Vujicic and Bethany Hamilton. Nick was born with Tetr...a-amelia syndrome - a rare disorder characterized by the absence of arms and legs. But he hasn't let that stop him from learning to skateboard, surf, swim, "walk", and even jump. He's incredible! And he's also a self-made millionaire and married father of four. Bethany Hamilton is a pro surfer who had a Tiger shark bite off her left arm when she was thirteen. She was back in the water a month after the attack and within three years became a professional surfer winning numerous awards and tournaments. In addition to continuing to kick ass in the ocean, she's now a married mother of two and motivational speaker. Take some inspiration into 2019 and kick some f*#king ass, Timesuckers!!!! Today's Timesuck is brought to you by Marvelous Light by Paul Frank Spencer. It's available for purchase at all online retailers and can be ordered through your local bookstore. For more information, go to bygraceforglorylit.com Want to try out Discord!?! Click HERE! Watch the Suck on Youtube: https://youtu.be/_FYYUVtupp0 Merch - https://badmagicmerch.com/ Want to try out Discord!?! https://discord.gg/tqzH89v Want to join the Cult of the Curious private Facebook Group? Go directly to Facebook and search for "Cult of the Curious" in order to locate whatever current page hasn't been put in FB Jail :) For all merch related questions: https://badmagicmerch.com/pages/contact Please rate and subscribe on iTunes and elsewhere and follow the suck on social media!! @timesuckpodcast on IG, @timesuckpodcast on Twitter, and www.facebook.com/timesuckpodcast Wanna be a Space Lizard? We're over 3500 strong! Click here: https://www.patreon.com/timesuckpodcast Sign up through Patreon and for $5 a month you get to listen to the Secret Suck, which will drop Thursdays at Noon, PST. You'll also get 20% off of all regular Timesuck merch PLUS access to exclusive Space Lizard merch. You get to vote on two Monday topics each month via the app. And you get the download link for my new comedy album, Feel the Heat. Check the Patreon posts to find out how to download the new album and take advantage of other benefits!

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Little smorgasbord today, time suckers first half of the show dedicated to two more tales of people who didn't let a tough Hand being dealt their way cause them to walk away from the table of the game we call life Second half dedicated to a year-end review of time suck the the journey of the suck and and look to the future What we kind of hope to do here going forward? First inspirational tale is Nick Voichich. I mean, I actually saw just last week as of this recording. So I'm at LAX Down in Los Angeles. I was I was arriving. He was flying out. Didn't say hi. I don't want to bother him I'd met him once before in Orlando, Florida. He was advertising and motivational speaking engagement in town there on a local rock station The monster's rock right before I walked into advertised shows that the Orlando improv. And when I saw him, I was stunned.
Starting point is 00:00:47 Handsome fit looking dude, sitting slash standing in a wheelchair with no legs or arms. The combination of his fit, nothing visually abnormal head and torso combined with no limbs just through my brain for a loop. Like he looked surreal. To me, he looked as if some leading man type actor or athlete had had somebody cut their legs and arms off, but leave them otherwise completely unscathed. Rack my brain trying to think of what type of accident could leave someone with that type of damage, no accident. Nick was born that way.
Starting point is 00:01:22 He was born with Tetra Amelia syndrome. And he now has a loving wife for kids. He wrote a book in 2010 called Life Without Limits. Inspiration of a ridiculously good life. He's a self-made millionaire, motivational speaker, evangelist. He's pretty damn impressive. Fantastic story to get you revved up to kick 2019's sassy pants ass. We'll also be talking about Bethany Hamilton, who I'll admit early in my stand-in career,
Starting point is 00:01:49 I made some, I'm sure, tasteless jokes about her. I don't remember exactly what they were. I didn't initially think it was inspiring that some girl who'd lost an arm in a shark attack while surfing continued to surf. I thought it was stubbornly stupid. I feel differently now. This gorgeous and tough as shit married mother or two pro surfer, not only continued serving
Starting point is 00:02:07 after a shark abid her arm off when she was just 13. She went pro a few years after the attack, one numerous tournaments. She continues to surf, raise her kids, give money to charity, share her motivational story, and much more. And I'm going to get down and I'm going to suck her off. I'm going to suck her so hard and while I'm down there, I'm going to suck Nick. I'm going to suck Nick. I'm going to suck Bethany. And then I'm going to hit the second half of the show and fill you in on lots of behind the scenes details of what's happened here with the suck in 2018. What we hope to happen in 2019.
Starting point is 00:02:38 Triumph, tragedy, a peak behind the suck dungeon curtain, all of that today on TimeSuck. You're listening to TimeSuck. Weep, weep, weep, weep, weep. Weep, weep, weep, weep. Weep, weep, weep. Happy New Year's Eve, suckers, can it be? The last day of 2018. Odds are you're hearing this in 2019 2019 but it drops 2018 the very end. How do you wrap up? How's next year looking? I'm Dan Cummins, Suck Nasty, Suck Nater,
Starting point is 00:03:13 Suck Master Supreme, the head Hoover the Master Sucker and you are listening to Time Suck, you are now part of the cult of the curious praisebo jangles, Hail Hill Nimrod, Hill Luciferina, Praise Triple M, not praising Chickatilo or Chick-and-Jow. Yeah, praise Putin, Juju. Not praising the Rhonoke recluse crazy eye attacking spider. Nope, not praising Woody. Whee, get outta here, no. Check the website, dankomans.tv for the happy murder tour date. So Check the website, Dancomans.tv,
Starting point is 00:03:45 for the Happy Murder Tour dates. So, so many, so very many. Follow me at Dancomans' comedy on Instagram and Facebook for tour updates, working on a Chicago date, maybe just one night, a little theater, the way it's look, possibly one night in Asheville, North Carolina, possibly. And then the dance card, the standup dance card, it's pretty much full.
Starting point is 00:04:06 And then I got to figure certain markets were doing live time sucks in. I'll announce what topic that's going to be soon. And then also figure out exactly how many maybe more markets we can kind of add the live time so I can see that I'm already heading towards are going to be performing at. So yes, so please just check the website again. Dancom is.tv for all that. New Jersey, Rhode Island, New York, Connecticut, coming up soon. And before all that, come to the Crocs Center in Cordillane, Idaho, right where the sucked
Starting point is 00:04:33 dungeon is, right where I'm recording with Joe, mother fucking, Paisley, the Reverend Doctor, Cordillane, Idaho, January 12, doing a TEDx talk, working hard on it, got a lot more work to do, but I'll have it ready. I'll have it ready, I'll have good nerves, and hopefully give a nice little motivational speech on my own. That's the plan for January 12th, all the link in the episode description for ticket info.
Starting point is 00:04:58 Couple of tales of overcoming adversity, my God. And then a year end wrap up in review and a look to 2019, the future of the suck, let's talk about not letting life hold you back. I have overcoming adversity, my God. And then a year end wrap up in review and a look to 2019, the future of the suck, let's talk about not letting life hold you back. Let's talk about Nick Voichich. What's up, what's up, what's up, what's up, what's up, what's up, what's up, what's up, what's up, what's up, what's up, what's up, what's up, what's up, what's up, what's up, what's up, what's up, what's up, what's up, what's up, what's up, what's up, what's up, what's up, what's up, what's up, what's up, what's up, what's up, what's up, what's up, what's up, what's up, what's up, what's up, what's up, what's up, what's up, what's up, what's up, what's up, what's up, what's up, what's up, what's up, what's up, what's up, what's up, what's up, what's up, what's up, what's up, what's up, what's up, what's up, what's up, what's up, what's up, what's up, what's up, what's up, what's up, what's up, what's up, what's up, what's up, what's up, what's up, what's up, what's up, what's up, what's up, what's up, what's up, what's up, what's up, what's up, what's up, what's up, what's up, what's up, what's up, what's up, what's up, what's up, what's up, what's up, what's up, what's up, what's up, what's up, what's up, what's up, what's up, what ended up staying up way later than I needed to last night because I couldn't stop watching this guy's videos on YouTube Just I mean my god maybe the most inspiring videos I have ever seen in my life Seriously and when I met this guy too just like the charisma coming off this guy just like in waves
Starting point is 00:05:39 So personable Kind of hard to explain almost you know, we've talked about a lot of cults personable, I kind of hard to explain almost. You know, we've talked about a lot of cults on time suck. If I had to follow like a co-leader, if Nick was, you know, if he started, I'm like, all right, I'll think about it. You seem like you got, you got, you got good juju around you. Yeah. So first a little bit about his life, and then we get to, you know, hear a little bit from the source, hear a little bit from him on the 7th, 4th, 1982, Serbian immigrants, Dusanka and Boroslav Voicic, welcome their first child of the world in Melbourne, Australia, Nicholas James Voicic. Nick was born healthy in every aspect other than being born with an extremely rare condition. This autosomal, recessive tetra amelia, this rare syndrome where a child is born with no limbs
Starting point is 00:06:28 at all except feet with just two toes on each of the feet. More like a foot like appendage, toes fused together. This condition only occurs in roughly one out of every 71,000 pregnancies. So very rare. In many cases, other areas of the body are also affected by malformation, such as the face, skull, reproductive organs, heart, nervous system, anus, pelvis.
Starting point is 00:06:53 In many cases, the lungs are severely underdeveloped, which makes breathing difficult or impossible, because children with tetra-amilia syndrome have such serious medical problems, most are still born, most die, you know, or either dead at birth the tetra-amilia syndrome have such serious medical problems. Most are stillborn. Most die, you know, or either dead at birth or die shortly after birth. But in exceptionally rare cases, very rare cases, some people are born totally healthy outside of the absence of limbs and suffer no abnormalities or deformations above their feet.
Starting point is 00:07:21 This whole thing is caused by an abnormality in the WNT3 gene, a protein involved in amongst other things, the regulation of cell fate and patterning during embryo genesis or embryogenesis. That's probably better, embryogenesis. It's amazing how many things have to go right for somebody to be born totally healthy. All these little things were things to go wrong, and for the overwhelming majority of us meat sacks, it all works out pretty well. Amazing, every time it happens. There hasn't been a lot of studies done on what can cause this gene to malfunction.
Starting point is 00:07:51 Early studies indicate a strong correlation with overly processed peanut butter consumption. I know a lot of people are very concerned about like processed foods in our country and in the world and the health ramifications of that. I mean, there seems to be something to that in certain cases. Number of studies coming out this year are linking pregnant mothers, eating process, peanut butter during the first and or second trimesters to a number of birth defects,
Starting point is 00:08:15 including the one that Nick was born with, and also including the increasingly common prior to the most recent generation, very, very, very rare, skeletoxenesis. Now, this is when bones appear on the surface of the skin. The muscles and circulatory system and nerves are actually inside of the bones where marrow normally would be. It's a very abnormal kind of bone structure. Think of an ant with an exoskeleton. There now are kind of like these ant kids.
Starting point is 00:08:45 Like I don't know if you've ever seen an ant kid, it's more and more kids are being born looking ants like, looking kind of, or wasp like, like if you've seen a yellow jacket, and it's all related to processed peanut butter, especially nutter butters. If you eat nothing but nutter butters for the duration of the second trimester,
Starting point is 00:09:03 it's no fucking way, you're not having an aunt baby. And is anyone is anyone still believing me at this point? Is like any one at all? God just let there be one of you who is super worried about how many nutter butters they've eaten. And they're like, oh, I'm going to have an aunt baby. I'm going to have an aunt baby now. I'm going to have a baby aunt.
Starting point is 00:09:21 No one has any idea what causes the gene of malfunction. Just like no doctors fully understand why I get off on messing with and need to see harassing the very people who let me do this for a career. I don't know, researchers have determined the defects take place between 24 and 36 days after fertilization due to a cessation of development of limb buds because of an unidentified cause.
Starting point is 00:09:46 So the little limb buds are formed and then they don't form the full way and they don't sprout the limbs. It's also inherited. Both of your parents have to have the same recessive gene that to both be genetic carriers for you to be born with this syndrome, but not every kid whose parents
Starting point is 00:10:01 have these recessive genes will be born this way. All that, all that genome, all that heavy genome research, The kid whose parents have these recessive genes will be born this way. All that, all that genome, all that heavy genome research, just genomes being unlocked, giving us new insights on all the genome traits passed on through genome genetics. And I do know it's genome. I didn't know that two years ago by now now. Held him rot. Nick recounts the circumstances of his birth in his inspirational
Starting point is 00:10:25 book that features a lot of autobiographical passages. It's called life without limits, inspiration for ridiculously good life. He says that two ultrasounds were performed during his mother's pregnancy with him and the doctors detected nothing unusual. So neither she nor his father had any time to emotionally prepare for the circumstances of Nick's birth. Dr. told his parents that their baby was a boy, but not a word about missing limbs. So why didn't they see the limbs? I feel like, you know what that means? Huge pain. Huge pain.
Starting point is 00:10:58 Probably just, you know, probably his limbs were just hiding behind a walrus, weenus. Maybe he has a big weenus. He doesn't address it in any of his speeches. When he was born, the first question his mom asked the doctor was, is the baby all right? Silence. behind a walrus weenus. Maybe has a big weenus. He doesn't address it in any of his speeches. When he was born, the first question is mom asked the doctor was, is the baby all right? Silence. Now what you want to hear as a parent. As a second's tick by, no one brings the baby over for her to see. As mom knows, something's wrong instead of giving Nick to his mother to hold, they bring in a pediatrician and an pediatrician and the staff already there move out to the opposite corner, examining
Starting point is 00:11:25 little Nick speaking with each other and hushed tones when his mom hears a big healthy baby scream. She's relieved initially, but then Nick's dad, who noticed Nick was missing an arm during the delivery, started feeling queasy, was escorted out of the room, shocked at the side of Nick, the nurses and doctors quickly wrapping up Nick's mother who participated in hundreds of deliveries. As a nurse, she was a nurse herself, demanded to know what's wrong with my baby. When she was told the truth, she couldn't accept it, did not believe the doctors and nurses.
Starting point is 00:11:54 When the pediatrician came out to speak to Nick's dad, he cried out, my son, he has no arm. And the pediatrician is delicately as he could, told him your son has neither arms nor legs. And then Nick's father kind of became hysterical and went into shock. He rushed in, we kind of got a hold of himself to tell his wife found her line in bed, she was crying, staff had already told her. They offered to bring Nick to her,
Starting point is 00:12:19 but she refused and told them to take Nick away. The nurses were crying, the midwife was crying, baby Nick was crying, everybody's crying. When they sat next to his mother later, she said, take him away, I don't want to touch him or see him. Instead of celebrating his birth, Nick's parents mourned his arrival into the world. Man, can you imagine that?
Starting point is 00:12:38 That's the story of your birth, devastating your parents. You know, making everyone in the living room just weep. I mean, outside of just dying right away, I don't know that life starts off much worse than that. You know, I mean, I'd like to think that I wouldn't react that way, but I guess you never know truly until it happens. You know, I was present for the birth of both my kids. First thing I actually did was, you know, was counter fingers and toes. It sounds silly, but I felt it's almost instinctive. You know, you immediately just kind of scan them to see if they appear healthy or not.
Starting point is 00:13:08 Probably is instinctive. I can't imagine a shock of no ultrasounds I'd prepared you of seeing your little baby boy or girl come out, you know, not just missing the full set of 10 fingers or 10 toes, but missing like the whole set of limbs. No arms or no legs. I mean, it would be very, very shocking.
Starting point is 00:13:26 You know, when Kyler and Roe were born, you know, neither of them had any health problems. Super lucky. I mean, both of them to be totally transparent, both of them were exceptionally ugly. Like exceptionally physically, I would say, strong word, I would say repulsive. And that was disappointing.
Starting point is 00:13:43 Yeah, that was disappointing human being. You know, and it still is. They're still very unattractive by love. You know, I mean, sometimes I daydream about how much more I could love like an attractive child, you know, like if I had good love, like good looking kids, I do think I would love a more. I think I just feel more pride. And I would just kind of gaze lovingly upon them. I mean, I don't know, 20% more, 30% more, it's hard to say. But, you know what, you play the handier delt and I was delt-appair to little fucking gremlins
Starting point is 00:14:11 who, you know, it looked like they were just stuffed and sacks and just beaten with clubs on a daily or at least weekly basis for several years. Okay, okay. If anything, they're too good looking. They're just, they're not good people, but they're good look physically, they're good. Spiritually, I don't know, I don't know, I worry. Cruel, gross,
Starting point is 00:14:41 kidding again, the only dickhead sometimes. I mean, Monroe's good, Monroe refuses to smile nice for most pictures, which can be irritating. She's gotten a lot better than when she was little, little, her when she was younger as far as, you know, behavior. She does fart. I feel like a, like more than average and will not own up to it, which is, it can be irritating like during movie nights with a family. Kyler, Kyler cheats at board games, which, you know, trying to figure out a curb in the that. And his feet, his feet smell like, it like they smell like a gang of car
Starting point is 00:15:07 knees all use the same exact dead scunk uh... for toilet paper after a chilly and devil day eating contest other than that pretty good uh... next study actually learned about the circumstances of his birth when he was thirteen a rough date school in brisman or his family moved and he complained to his mom about how sick he was, about being
Starting point is 00:15:27 teased for not having arms or legs. He asked his parents about their reaction to his birth, they told him the truth. Shortly after his birth, they did accept the reality of their situation and they loved the shit out of him and do till this day. He has nothing but glowing things to say about his parents as far as his upbringing. DeSanka and Boroslav, they had two more kids. Boy and a girl, both born with no physical abnormalities. Nick said his brother and sister had a variety of cousins who grew up in the same neighborhood,
Starting point is 00:15:58 never let him feel sorry for himself. They never coddled him. They accepted him for who he was, they also toughened him up with their teasing and pranks so that he could find humor instead of bitterness in his circumstances. Like there's one story he said where his cousins would scream from across the shopping mall while pointing to him, look at that kid in the wheelchair. He's an alien. What's wrong with them?
Starting point is 00:16:21 And they would just laugh hysterically at the reactions from strangers who had no idea that the kids picking on this disabled boy were actually his strongest allies and biggest supporters. And I love this. I love the power of having a sense of humor about something like this. You ever met somebody who just wallows in self-pity no matter how their life is going? All they focus on is the bad parts. Their boss is a dick.
Starting point is 00:16:45 They can't ever date anyone nice. They can't ever catch a break. They got the worst luck. The car broke down again. Never mind the fact that they skipped three oil changes. The friends won't call them back, because they harass them too much on via text. They don't have enough money for this car
Starting point is 00:17:02 or that vacation or this concert, even though Sonsos going. And that person doesn't work half as hard as them and their parents buy them everything. If you're one of those people who just always complains, just always feels like the world is always against you. Listen up, but I mean this is the nicest, most caring way possible. Shut the fuck up. Just shut the fuck up.
Starting point is 00:17:22 Like for real. No one cares about your petty and consequential bullshit. Put on your big girl panties or your big boy undies and keep that shit to yourself. Sold your up, right? Stop perpetuating your own negative reality by continually giving a voice to every little whiny thought that passes through yourself and doles and head.
Starting point is 00:17:42 You know, every once in a while, sure, vent, absolutely. But the rest of the time, learn how to either not talk about that shit or laugh it off. I've never been able to tolerate Debbie Downers because I've met too many Nick Voichiches. You know, I've met too many people with significant disabilities who never complain about them, you know, to handle anyone whose life is just fine
Starting point is 00:18:01 complaining about shit constantly. I get mad at myself for complaining. So all you work all the hours making a nice living doing what you love, you poor baby. Shut the fuck up me. Yeah, there's a guy I went to college with. This guy, Brian, it's been so many years,
Starting point is 00:18:15 so I forget his last name. Me and my ex-wife, Heather used to hang out with him sometimes. I'm pretty sure I've mentioned him on the time, so I could have the secret suck before. But this guy guy good looking dude Very intelligent dude. He was getting a master's. I believe in flat. No, it was philosophy or theology when I was getting undergrad many senior year had a had a class or two with him and
Starting point is 00:18:35 He was a quadriplegic and he and he wasn't a quadriplegic like four years prior He was an undergrad at Boston University. He was wrestling with a friend Just like I wrestled with a lot of my friends back in college doing stupid shit. He got a pile drive, essentially, in a broken neck, and he'll be paralyzed for the neck down for the rest of his life. And this has only happened a few years before, and he had the best outlook, the best disposition, cool ass dude.
Starting point is 00:19:02 Man, you know, when you're around somebody like that, it's so cool and just has made peace and accepted their situation, you feel like a real asshole complaining about most of what you complain about before. Yeah, but I just admire someone who can laugh at something as heavy as not even having arms or legs. How powerful is that? You know, just that attitude of like, fuck you world, you're not gonna give me legs. That's fine. You're not gonna give me, you know, fists. I'll still figure out a way how to punch and kick your ass.
Starting point is 00:19:33 You know, I'm still gonna live life to the fullest. No arms to hold anybody with. You watch. I'll still find love. I'll get married. I'll have kids. I will go full, Matthew Wilder on this world. You remember Matthew Wilder?
Starting point is 00:19:46 And the butter gonna break on my stride. Nobody gonna slow me down. Oh no, I got to keep on moving. Ain't nothing gonna break on my stride. I'm running and I won't touch ground. Oh no, I got to keep on moving. It's not just triple M. I can sing all kinds of sweet cheese.
Starting point is 00:20:08 I'm like a sweet cheese chew box. It's not like Nick always laughed everything off though. He's not Superman. He had a rough time during his preteen years when everyone is trying to figure out who they are, where they fit in classmates, where heard his feelings, even when they weren't trying to be cruel,
Starting point is 00:20:22 they were just bluntly curious as kids are, asking stuff like, why don't you have arms and legs? You know, just asking that stuff all the time, Nick's desire to fit in was the same as it is for any kid. You know, on his good days, he'd win over his classmates with his wit and a willingness to kind of poke fun at himself on his bad days. You know, he'd hide behind the shrubs or hide an empty classroom just to avoid being openly mocked. Kids with dicks, man, kids are dicks. Anyone who has either seen a kid or was a kid knows that. Just a few months ago, down a boy's eye, I had a whole busy with my sister,
Starting point is 00:20:54 my five year old niece, Eleanor, Birdie. Birdie asked me if I was strong. So I was like, I don't know, yeah, I'm kind of strong. Now I thought, I thought, you know, I would impress a five year old, she asked me to feel my biceps, so I flexed, and she's like, I'm gonna feel strong. Now I thought, you know what, I would impress a five year old, she asked me to feel my biceps, so I flexed and she's like, I'm gonna feel my biceps. And then she looked at me totally matter of faculty
Starting point is 00:21:11 and just said, no, she's like, like she was just appointed. She goes, no, you're weak. And then she just sat and stared at me. And then she asked me, she goes, why do you have a long head? And then she asked me why I have a tiny mouth on a long head. And she fucking nailed it.
Starting point is 00:21:27 She nailed it. I haven't worked out, you know, now in the past year, my muscles are much softer than they were. And I do have a long head. I do have a long, I have a big long head and I have a tiny mouth. But what a little asshole for pointing all of that out. But now imagine like what kids must say when you don't have arms or legs, you know, I'm sure it was just brutal.
Starting point is 00:21:48 I mean, I remember an entire series of jokes related to people with no arms or legs when I was back in grade school in Riggins, Idaho. I don't know if you guys, I don't know if those made it through different generations. I haven't thought about these before this episode in years, but they were all the rage in about, for me, I would say fourth, fifth grade. you know, what do you call a guy with no arms or
Starting point is 00:22:08 no legs who likes to go water scheme? Skip. What do you call a guy with no arms, no legs waiting outside your front door? Matt, what do you call a guy with no arms, no legs, hang on the wall, art on and on and on. I think those are actually on some garbage pale kids cards as well, some of those ones. And I'd never seen anything, or I mean anyone like that. You know, those jokes were probably still killing it on a playground somewhere.
Starting point is 00:22:33 When Nick hit junior high, he started having some pretty dark thoughts. He actually did attempt suicide once, 10 years old. You know, he got really depressed. Thank God it didn't go through, it didn't go through, he didn't go through with it, or you know, it wasn't successful. But he started having, you know,
Starting point is 00:22:49 more dark thoughts about his future, started thinking stuff like, I'll never get a girl to love me. I don't even have arms to hold a girl for how fucking sad is that? If I have children, I'll never be able to hold them, either what sort of job could I ever have? Who would hire me?
Starting point is 00:23:02 For most jobs, they'd have to hire a second person just to help me do what I was supposed to do. Who would ever hire one for the price of two? Went through a long battle depression, more suicidal thoughts, you know, kids who didn't know him, as soon as he was mentally, as well as physically disabled, he was constantly dealing with that. Rather than just be pissed about the assumptions others made about him, Nick, while he was in junior high, he decided to start challenging their assumptions. He started throwing himself into conversations with other kids, just getting ahead of it. Just like, yeah, I know. It's weird.
Starting point is 00:23:34 Yeah, I got no arms. Just like, just like, you know, taking that away from him, you know, we could feel the stairs and just engaged in conversations and getting them to understand what had happened to him and getting them to understand that he wasn't really disabled. He could do so many different things. You know, other kids started started, you know, befriending him, you know, he could see that he could joke around about this and, you know, about how joke about how frustrating it was to live in a world made for arms and legs when he don't have either. He makes a name for himself at school, becomes popular, starts getting invited to speak at student group meetings. And then at church youth groups,
Starting point is 00:24:06 Nick is devoutly Christian raised by a deeply religious family. As soon as he started getting invited to share his stories at teen, kind of Christian organizations, one day he found himself in front of 300 kids at a large Christian youth conference. A girl in the audience broke down sobbing hearing his story and asked if she could come give him a hug.
Starting point is 00:24:24 First time this had happened. Now he does this a lot of speaking engagements. When she did give him a hug, everyone at the event started crying and then Nick started crying himself when she whispered the following words into his ear that he says he'll never forget. She whispered, nobody has ever told me that I'm beautiful the way that I am. No one has ever said that they love me. You've changed my life and you are a beautiful person too. Up until that point, Nick was still constantly questioning
Starting point is 00:24:51 his own self worth. He thought of himself as somebody who, you know, just simply gave little talks as a way of kind of reaching out to other teens. But when she called him beautiful and made him also realize that his speaking could help others like her feel beautiful as well, Change his perspective. For the first time, he felt he had something really meaningful to do in a powerful message
Starting point is 00:25:09 to share with the rest of the world. Just like that logo therapy I was talking about last week, man, his life had meaning, had hope. That hope Victor Franco and Alex Lewis and Malveca Iyer talked about that, that hope that he could change people's lives for the better a reason to get out of bed in the morning. Nick even writes in his book, a life without meaning has no hope. Life without hope has no faith. If you find a way to contribute, you will find your meaning and hope and faith will naturally
Starting point is 00:25:35 follow and accompany you into your future. When Nick references faith, he speaks of his Christian faith. But even a non-religious person like me, a skeptic can have faith. You know, I have faith in somebody's ability to influence the world around them for the better. I have faith that little positive actions can have a ripple effect, a butterfly effect on the world create more positive change than you may have initially thought possible. I have faith in that mattering and rich in the human experience, even if it's just for one other person in one small way, I have faith that that has value. Nick also quotes Helen Keller as an inspiration to him,
Starting point is 00:26:10 a future suck, by the way, Helen Keller, fascinating tale. Helen lost her sight in hearing before the age of two, but still became a world renowned author and social activist. She once wrote that true happiness comes through fidelity to a worthy purpose. Be faithful to your talents. Use them for the most good possible, then you will be happy. You get a plumbing and do a great job. Fixing people's pipes for a fair price.
Starting point is 00:26:35 You're improving lives, a lot of value in that, a lot of value in that. You know, you're good at keeping the assembly line moving. Odds are, there are people who love whatever the hell you are helping building. Lot of value in that. You know, you good at entertaining strangers with historical tales and lots of crude jokes,
Starting point is 00:26:51 way too much profanity, far too many references to serial killers, especially Russian ones. There he even is apparently value in that. Nick graduated from his high school as a valedictorian. Then got a bachelor's degree from Brisbane, Australia's Griffith University in accounting and financial planning. He graduated the age of 21 in 2002, and then shortly after graduation moved to a Gore Hills
Starting point is 00:27:13 in Southern California. 2005, Nick founded Life Without Limbs, an international nonprofit organization in ministry. In 2007, he founded Attitude, Altitude, a secular motivational speaking company he met his wife, Kanay, Maya Harra in Texas in 2008 they got married in 2012, have four kids now. I remember seeing her in Orlando and I met Nick because she was stunning. She said she fell for Nick because of his generosity and humor and because he's really funny.
Starting point is 00:27:41 And check that this proposal puts all proposals to shame. Check out how he proposed her. He wanted to put the ring on her finger, but how do you do that? When you don't have any hands and you don't have any arms. He just randomly asked her when the two of them were alone one day. I mean, not randomly.
Starting point is 00:27:56 I mean, he had this plan seemingly randomly to her. Baby, can I kiss your hands? And then the ring was in his mouth and he put it all the way onto her finger with his tongue, which is a whole nother impressive skillset. And she was like, what the hell is going on? Like, why is he like this into my hands? A little weird. She had no idea what was actually going on until the ring was fully on her finger. And then obviously he let's, you know, her hand popped back of his mouth and says, baby, I love
Starting point is 00:28:22 you. Would you love to marry me and spend the rest of your life with me? And she started bawling and said, yes, bad ass, man. I was proud of myself for getting down on one knee. Ah, this guy is guys crushing me. Dude, slick as hell. Uh, when his wife was asked how they managed sexually in this one, uh, uh, little interview I found online. She said, quote, he's got everything he needs.
Starting point is 00:28:44 I told you, you had a big weeness. And after that ring trick, guessing his tongue is impressive. I'm guessing it works in some magical ways. And from everything I can tell, he makes a great living as an internationally performing motivational. I mean, he's, well, I mean, self-made millionaire, you know, I've seen that a number of things. He's doing well. He's doing well. It's evangelist author. Once you start bouncing around from one video to the next, about him on YouTube, you quickly see that this dude does not sit around feeling sorry for himself
Starting point is 00:29:12 at all. He goes for, he grabs life. You know, it really, truly lives. I watched videos of this guy. It was gonna sound crazy after describing his condition. Now making this up, I watch videos of him jumping off of a diving board. Swimming in a pool, pool surfing like for real catching waves and surfing I want you know he controls his own motorized wheelchair. He hops off its scoots around and watch the video of him With drumsticks literally taped to his shoulders
Starting point is 00:29:37 Playing the drums pretty well pretty well. He's amazing. I watch him skateboard. He gets on the skateboard Get gets gets moving it all of that himself and if if you want to, how the, how the hell does he do all this? Well, he had, he had two toes on one of his kind of foot like appendages, you know, separated, uh, an operation when he was a kid, because there are a few together, he had him separated, and then he, you know, he adapted to be able to kind of use them like fingers, so he can grab things with them, and then use that foot to kind of like, I don't know, position himself and move around. It's kind of hard to figure out when you watch him how he does everything. He has this insane torso control.
Starting point is 00:30:20 He can kind of like whip his body up like, uh, and just bounce. Like when he, when he, his equivalent of walking, it's all this like pelvic twisting. So he's, he's, he's kind of balanced on his hips and just shifting back and forth to scoot along the ground. And then he can also literally kind of just jump, even though he has no legs, he can just do this, this hop situation, uh, that I don't, leg. He can just do this, this hop situation that I don't understand the physics behind, but I've seen him do it many occasions, many videos. And before we move on from him,
Starting point is 00:30:53 listen to him in his own words, share a little bit about his message. Life is life, life is an interesting journey of ups and downs. But how that journey ends is up to you today. You see, when you fall down, you feel like giving up. When times get tough, it's not the end. The question is, are you going to finish strong? The definition of a disability is something that will hinder you from being able to do something. I think though the greatest disability is not having no arms and no legs, the greatest disability is your mind, the choices that you make.
Starting point is 00:31:33 The question is, are you going to make the right choices? Are you going to make the choice to have your life in its right perspective? Are you going to make the choice to get up instead of give up? Are you going to make the choice to dream be? There is no greater disability that we have in our life than to make the decision to give up. Because once you give up, then there is no hope. But until you give up, there is that hope. So true man, until you give up, there is that hope. That's what keeps me going in life.
Starting point is 00:32:10 That's what I talked about again last week, that logo therapy man, looking to the future. I've told you before, in like old episodes, the sucks, the sucks, the self way back, I pitched a ton of projects. I went to a ton of auditions and the overwhelming majority didn't like what I was doing, didn't like what I was brain, didn't want me. And I've seen that in, you know, like, you know, other other comics, let that kind of break them. And then they just kind of stop trying because they're afraid of rejection. But then if you, if you never even try, you'll definitely never get it. You know, if you're that worried about rejection, you know?
Starting point is 00:32:48 I mean, at least when I always feel my best is when I'm actually, when I'm trying, when I'm attempting to improve my life for the better, you know, I realize I'm a realist that it may not work out, but it's not gonna work, it's not gonna not work out cause I didn't give it a good go. Yeah, yeah, I mean, I think that's so important. Yeah, I mean, I've been around so many comics over the years
Starting point is 00:33:05 who just complain all the time about not getting this break, not getting this opportunity. They got ignored by this booker, you know, this casting director, this agent, this manager, they talk shit about other comics constantly. Why is this person getting this? They're not funny, I'm funny with this person. You know, what they don't do?
Starting point is 00:33:20 Work on what they can control. What they don't do is actually work on writing new jokes. Work on making those jokes better, submitting new audition tapes, reintroducing themselves to managers. And I've gone through the woe with me phases too. And none of those phases ever brought me shit. Nothing could ever happen. Even when nothing seemed to be working out, I was always trying to at least, maybe I can
Starting point is 00:33:41 write one more funny story. Work on getting better in some little way. You know, control what you can control. Nick is a fucking Jedi master of that. Uh, he is training the most important muscle we possess, our brain and just to a weapon of just perfection, man. You can tell he's always working on something new. He watches videos. He's always taking on a new challenge.
Starting point is 00:34:00 There's some short film he was in that won a bunch of awards where he's like, he's a great actor in it. It's about these carnival side show performers. I mean, you know, no acting before that just crushes it. And I'm sure he didn't just walk on set and make that happen. I'm sure he prepared, he studied, he trained. And when you do that kind of stuff year after year, you may not be the most successful person in the world or even the most successful person on your fucking block. But you will for sure be 100% more successful than you would have been if you would have just sat around bitching.
Starting point is 00:34:29 I was thinking about like when you listen to like a ward acceptance speeches. Like you never hear an acceptance speech delivered by somebody who you get to feeling they just sat around and just bitched. Like it's never like, I like, hey, I like to thank my roommates for this no peace prize. You know, for last 10 years, I know, I knew I should have won it. You know,
Starting point is 00:34:53 last 10 years, I honestly, I spent a lot of time watching, you know, whatever kind of popped up on TNT, like a lot of Netflix, you know, play like Call of Duty, ordering a lot of pizza, drank a shit ton of mountain dew, and you know, I would just be frustrated that other people are winning awards and shit You know, I would be say so like Todd wise wise that dickweed getting all those trophies and shit I could event shit too if I learn more math and shit. No, it's easy dude. That's easy, bro And he'd be like who fuck even his Nobel? I don't even care about trophies if I want to trophy I got still one from a trophy store and then we would eat like more pizza and I'll be so mad. I'll be so mad to my dad when he died. He, I mean, yeah, he left me the house and some money, but he didn't leave me all of
Starting point is 00:35:32 the money. He left my brother Rick some of the money. Why did he get some? He has a job. That's dumb. That's dumb, dad. And in one day, the noble people called and they're like, you won. And I was like,, fuck yeah, about time, mother fuckers. So I like to thank my fans. I like to say, fuck the haters. Albany Room 317, the old holiday and unsolven. If you want to come kick it into the after party, Lil Cezars, co-45, I'll still some lunch,
Starting point is 00:35:57 meet from the green room. Shit yeah. Like that person never wins anything. That person just says those kind of things and tell eventually they just die. Until they just get old and quiet or they just die. They don't make a lasting impression on anybody. And if you don't care about leaving impression, that's fine. But you know, and then be happy.
Starting point is 00:36:15 Don't even worry about it. But if you do want to leave an impression, you're like, what are things working out for me? Are you working as hard as Nick? Are you working as hard as Voicich? I don't know. And then you know, maybe ask yourself, you working as hard as Voicich? I don't know. And then you know maybe ask yourself, you know, what would Nick do?
Starting point is 00:36:27 And then you cut your goddamn arms and legs off. You go hard. That's not, that's probably not the message. That's probably not the message. I mean, I missed something there. No, I think Nick would say, you know, stop. Some may discuses. Take some action, something like that.
Starting point is 00:36:41 I have a feeling I'll be thinking about him off and off for the next year when I bitch about anything. So now let's move on to our second final inspirational tale after a quick word from today's sponsor. Today's time suck is brought to you by please. People letting exoskeleton and babies survive exceptionally. Every year in America four or five kids are born looking like either a big aunt or a wasp. Most ants, like I would say four out of the five of a clock ants,
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Starting point is 00:37:59 It's brought to you by the new book Marvelous Light. Time-sucker, co-state curious member, author Paul Frank Spencer, has written a new book called Marvelous Light, from By Grace for Glory Publishing. Comes a serious study of light, the phenomena of light. Light as man has understood it for 3,000 years. You know, what does a study of light
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Starting point is 00:39:53 So pretty, not too crowded, super cute little local towns, a lot of tasty shaved ice, a lot of wild chickens, not joking, a lot of wild chickens run around being goofy looking chickens, and I do enjoy that. Also, I do enjoy that they have a lot of giant frogs that come out at night and just scare the shit out of Lindsay. She is so scared of frogs. Did not know until we went to Kauai how deep the fear was. So I want to go back there, probably paradise. Bethany's whole family loves surfing. Her parents began teaching her how to surf even before she turned five. Surfing's in her blood.
Starting point is 00:40:26 She becomes fascinated with the sport early on. Her family like Nick's also very religious, very developed Christians. In 1998, at only eight years old, she participated in her first real surf competition. Real son, menacune surfing championship on Oahu, Hawaii. And she won both the short and long board divisions in her age group. Having tasted her first competitive success She was raring to become professional competitive surfer. What the shit? Who competes in surfing at eight? I was I was barely learning to swim at eight. I learned to swim in an in an above ground pool. By the way
Starting point is 00:40:59 I was still afraid to swim in lake at eight years old Maybe my mom shouldn't have taught me to be afraid of almost everything. Maybe, maybe don't do that. You know, maybe there's a lot of, maybe she shouldn't have had a lot of mess. Just like, don't do that, you'll drown. Don't do that. You can fall and break something.
Starting point is 00:41:13 Don't go there. You'll get kidnapped. Don't eat that. You can choke. Mama is a warrior. Guests and bans and these parents are a little more adventurous. Yeah, get on, go on. Get on out there with the sharks.
Starting point is 00:41:24 You're eight. You're totally ready to face the monsters of the sea. When she was nine years old, she received her first major surf sponsorships. She sponsored it nine years old. From Rip Curl, Tim Carroll surfboards over the next couple of years, she steadily moving up the rankings and amateur surfing competitions by winning numerous events. Get out of here. When I was nine, I don't even think I comb my hair.
Starting point is 00:41:44 Not joking. I don't think I I comb my hair. Not joking. I don't think I ever comb my hair when I was nine years old. I would just go to school with however it looked when I woke up. When I was nine, I could ride my healthy bike around the block, kind of fast, for a couple of times around. Bethany was a wee bit more advanced than me at night. Then in October 31st, 2003, Hamilton aged 13 of the time
Starting point is 00:42:03 went for a morning surf along Tunnels Beach, Kauai with their best friend, model and pro-surfer, Alana Blanchard. She was also surfing with Alana's father, Holt, and her brother, Byron. Around 7.30 a.m., she's lying on the surf board with left arm dangling in the water, right arms up there on the surfboard. When a 14 foot long tiger shark attacks her, severing her arm just below the shoulder, and that is exactly why I do not surf on Halloween. That is the one day I will not surf that in every other single day. The blanchards help paddle her back to shore. Then a lot of father fashion, an attorney kit out of a rash guard wrapped it around the
Starting point is 00:42:38 stump of her arm. I mean, this thing, I mean, it just took it. It just bitter arm just gone. She was rushed off to Wilcox Memorial Hospital by the time she arrived there. She had lost over 60% of her blood. She was in a hypo, hypo-vilemic shock, a doctor living in a hotel nearby, raised over to help with the rescue, her father who was scheduled to have his knee surgery that same morning, who was already there.
Starting point is 00:42:59 She took his place in the operating room, how random, what a weird coincidence. She spent the next three weeks in recovery before being released. During subsequent media interviews, she confirmed that she felt normal when she was bitten and did not feel much pain from the bite at the moment of the disaster, but felt numb on the way to the hospital. When the news broke, the shark attacked a family of fishermen led by Ralph Young presented to investigators photos of a 14-foot-long tiger shark. They had caught and killed about
Starting point is 00:43:25 one mile from the attack site. It had surfboard to bring in the mouth when measurements of its mouth were compared with those of Hamilton's broken board. It matched in late 2004. The police officially confirmed that it was the same shark that attacked her. That's so weird to me. Why are the police involved in investigating a shark attack? I mean, does Hawaii have shark detectives? Oh, I'm Detective Flanagan. I'm lead investigator, Hanlonu shark division. Tonight I'm going undercover pretending to be a hammerhead. I'm gonna be in the sea for hours, if not days.
Starting point is 00:43:58 Trying to get in with some great whites that we believe are smuggling South American heroin into the local dolphin population. We had a 3-0-D last week bet for tourism. Makes kids sad, two purposes died as well, which also makes kids sad because kids think that purposes are dolphins. And also the local sea otter population is riddled with meth,
Starting point is 00:44:18 being produced right now by a couple of goddamn tiger sharks. But some are meth, but some are sea meth. Now I know long ago we talked about shark attacks, by a couple of goddamn tiger sharks. Batsamma math, batsamma seamath! Now I know I know long ago we talked about shark attacks, but it's been quite a while, so quick refresher on some shark attack stats. The International Shark Attack File, ISAF, investigated 155 incidents of a led shark human interaction occurring worldwide in 2017. 88 cases represent confirmed, unprovoked shark attacks on human. 30 of the remaining cases were confirmed as provoked attacks on humans. Now, unprovoked attacks are defined as incidents where an attack on a live human
Starting point is 00:44:56 occurs in the shark's natural habitat with no human provocation of the shark. Unexpected attacks are defined as incidents where the shark attack occurs on land. Very unexpected attacks are defined as incidents where the shark attack occurs over 100 miles from the coast and indoors. And are you sure about that attacks are defined as incidents where shark attacks occur in either a Nebraska or an Iowa convention center. And of course, that's nonsense. No, there are three major kinds of unprovoked shark attacks. By far, the most common are the hit and run attacks, like what happened to Bethany.
Starting point is 00:45:32 These typically occur in the surf zone with swimmers and surfers, you know, being the normal targets. The victim seldom sees the attacker. The shark does not return after inflicting a single bite or slash wound. In most instances, there's probably cases of mistaken identity that occur under conditions of poor water visibility and a harsh physical environment like breaking surf, strong wash, current conditions, feeding shark in this habitat must make quick decisions and rapid movements to capture its traditional food items.
Starting point is 00:46:00 When these difficult physical conditions are considered in conjunction with provocative human appearance and activities associated with aquatic recreation splashing shiny jewelry uh... contrasting uh... colored swimsuits uh... piece of meat tied to your wing uh... well have a stake in each hand a bloody stake in each hand uh... someone taking rough fish all over the body uh... it can the shark and occasionally misinterpret that is uh occasionally misinterpret that as being a prey and can actually only bite the human. It's assumed that a pond bite in the shark quickly realizes that the human is a foreign object
Starting point is 00:46:32 or that it's too large and immediately releases a victim and does not return. There's also bump and bite attacks, sneak attacks. While less common, they do result in greater injuries and most fatalities. These type of attacks usually involve divers or swimmers and somewhat deeper waters, but occur near shore, shallows and some areas of the world, bumping bite attacks or characterized by the shark initially circling, terrifying and often bumping the victim prior to the actual attack, a little bit of taunting, sneak attacks differ where the strike occurs without warning. I think I don't know which one would be more terrifying for me.
Starting point is 00:47:04 I don't know if I would just not want to see it coming, but then have the utter sudden terror of a shark attacking me or see the shark circling me, keep bumped, and then be probably the sneak attack. If I'm definitely gonna be attacked either way, sneak attack, I don't want to know this coming. In both of those cases, unlike the pattern for hit run attacks, for pita attacks are not uncommon
Starting point is 00:47:24 and multiple or sustained bites with an arm. Like they're trying to eat you at that point. Injuries occur during this type of attack or usually quite severe, frequently resulting in death. Then there's provoked attacks. Those occur when a human initiates physical contact with a shark, you know, like when a diver's bitten that for grabbing a shark.
Starting point is 00:47:42 So maybe, I don't know, this sounds crazy. I don't want to tell you how to live your life, but maybe don't grab sharks. Maybe that's not a smooth move. These are a curve like attacks on spearfishers, you know, people feeding sharks, you know, people unhooking or removing a shark from a fishing net.
Starting point is 00:48:00 Of the remaining 37 cases, 18 involved bites to motorized or non-motorized marine vessels, boat attacks, which is so random. Two involved shark inflicted post-mortem bites, you know, scavenge, four were cases in which the shark human interaction could not be confirmed based on available data. And one case involved a diver in a public aquarium. That sucks. When you get shark attacks in an aquarium, that's a bummer. 12 cases were regarded as doubtful in which the incidents did not involve a shark, including one case attributed to a stingray.
Starting point is 00:48:30 In one case, it attributed to a barracuda. The other 10 cases were determined to be caused by other sources. The 2017 worldwide total of 88 confirmed unprovoked cases was slightly higher than the most recent five-year average between 2012, 2016 of 83 incidents annually, highest year on record 2015, 98 unprovoked incidents, significantly there were only five unprovoked attacks that were fatal worldwide. And that's on track with the average annual amount of six. And you'd think, and as you'd think, the number of human shark interactions is directly correlated with time spent by humans in the sea the more time spent in the water
Starting point is 00:49:06 obviously the greater the odds of attack but even when considering only people who swim in the ocean the odds of being uh... bitten by a shark one and eleven point five million uh... compare that to your chances of dying in an automobile related incident or from wounds received in an automobile related incident, or from wounds received in an automobile related incident, one in 77.
Starting point is 00:49:29 That's what it says, numerous sources online sounds way higher to me, but that's way higher odds. And yet, I am way less scared of driving than I am of sharks. Now, I think the real fear that no one's talking about is a shark who learns how to fucking drive and isn't good at it That's the true predator
Starting point is 00:49:47 Freeway shark But yeah, yeah, I still get anxious man. Damn you, Joss movie. Bethany Hamilton does not get anxious She got right back into the water as soon as her wound healed and doctors would allow it She was back within a month of the attack one week after being allowed to go back home out of the hospital back in the water to the attack one week after being allowed to go back home out of the hospital back in the water. She says when she first returned to surfing, she felt like she was learning the sport all over again, just learning with one arm, adapting to not having two there. You know, before she says, I was really strong at paddling.
Starting point is 00:50:15 Since it's happened, I only have one arm and my paddling is definitely slowed down. And she likened surfing with one arm to doing like a one arm push up instead of a regular push up. She said it was a slow process. She said every time I would go out there, I would learn something new. I kept practicing just on smaller waves, just standing up and figuring out how to catch it and all that, and each time I felt better and better about my surfing. See? Just man, just putting that work in. So I try to get a little better working on improvements. And she never seemed fazed by her physical disabilities.
Starting point is 00:50:42 She had a life-like prosthetic arm custom made for it, but then she decided to really not to use it. And I've never seen her in a picture with it. She said, living in Khoi, everybody knows who I am, and it's not really gonna make me more confident having a real arm or a fake arm. She said,
Starting point is 00:50:56 it doesn't even really help me. It's not that I don't like it, but it doesn't really come in handy because living in Khoi, I'm running around. It's not like his waterproof, and it doesn't help me paddle faster. I love that everything about her life is just like, is this gonna help me get better at surfing?
Starting point is 00:51:08 No, then non-interested. Hamilton also had to cover overcomes some psychological obstacles. She, you know, she did say she had those thoughts of like, you know, you never know if it could happen again. She said she dealt with her fears by singing a song, praying or just ignoring it. She said she had to block it. I had to figure out how to block it out
Starting point is 00:51:24 because she loved surfing so much. Man, that is dedication. Like, I'm not sure I'm that dedicated to stand up or podcasting. Like, if suddenly there was some weird species of shark that only attacked podcasters while they podcasted, I don't know that I'd be here right now. Especially if one had already attacked me.
Starting point is 00:51:43 You know, people are like, Hey, man, how come Monday's episode didn't come out? Cause like podcast shark bit my goddamn hormones. That's why it's too dangerous. I'm out. Jimmy from Smolta. Murder. He got attacked last week.
Starting point is 00:51:56 James had to punch goddamn tiger shark off him in the middle of recording. Podcast sharks are terrible this season. Terrible. Bethany's brother Noah helped Bethany conquer her fears by showing her how to how a special design you could place on the surfboard helps ward off sharks. It looks like zebra stripes and it mimics some poisonous secreture and he said sharks are way scared of this pattern. It's kind of a repellent, but the main thing is it's just a total confidence booster. pattern. It's kind of a repellent. But the main thing is it's just a total confidence booster. Uh, would have been nice to show your sister that design before the shark bitter armoff, Noah, you asshole. Hamilton's mother, Sherry, uh, said the family made other arrangements
Starting point is 00:52:35 in the name of safety after the attack. She said, we don't go out, uh, surfing anymore during the worst hours of the day during the shark's feeding time. Maybe should have avoided shark feeding time before the attack. Come on, come on, Sherry. You and Noah are just, you're really grinding my gears. You're really grinding them today. And the next few years after the attack, I'm Peter Griffin for some reason now. The next few years after the attack, Hamilton saw three more sharks in the water around her, including one time on a five foot hammer head shark swim right under her board. If she never let that scare her out of the water. Oh my God.
Starting point is 00:53:08 I might die of fright. If I saw a large shark body go under me in the water, I would honestly be worried that I would have some weird kind of panic attack and just start drowning and just helplessly float down toward the shark and more easily eat me. The next few years after the attack Hamilton saw, oh wait, wait, I just hit it. Sorry, I got to my head. I got to my head thinking about that damn shark floating underneath me. Her father, Tom, this is Bethany, never had a pity party for her over losing her arm in
Starting point is 00:53:34 the shark attack. Beth, as she said, that kind of helps, you know, people not allowing her to kind of like feel sorry for herself. Bethany says her strong will, just faith, as a Christian also helps her accept losing her arm to a shark attack. And then she became more positive afterwards. She said more positive has come out of it than negative. You know, it's kind of a theme last week and this week. Like I said earlier, within a month of the attack, Bethany returned the water within two years. She won her first national surfing title in 2007. She realized her dream
Starting point is 00:54:02 of surfing professionally. And since then, her story has been told in a New York Times best-selling autobiography and in the 2000 film, Soul Surfer. Bethany is now involved in numerous charitable efforts, including her own foundation, Friends of Bethany, which reaches out to amputees and youth, encouraging a broken world. How to heal a broken world by offering hope to overcome, it struggles through a Christian faith. She uses her platform as a professional athlete to promote living a fit and healthy lifestyle. She authored a book, Body and Soul in 2014. Has a new project called Unstoppable, a recently released surf documentary showcasing her
Starting point is 00:54:36 as one of the best women's surfers in the world. She's also published a children's book this past year. Here's a quote that sums up her philosophy on life. She says, life is full of what ifs. You can't let it hold you back. If you do, you're not really living it all just kind of going to the motions with no meaning. Love it. Hail, Nimrod. Can't worry about the what ifs. That is the last night to continually relearn. And I find myself going down the what if rabbit hole way too often. And what if everyone stops listening to time,
Starting point is 00:55:07 say, what if no one wants to come to my shows anymore? What if I'm, you know, just, I used to be funny, but now I'm not gonna be funny. What if a work goes awesome, but then something terrible happens to the kids? What if something terrible happens to Lindsay? What if I die in a plane crash next week? What would Lindsay and the kids do?
Starting point is 00:55:19 And I'm going, what if something happens to Penny Ginger, Penny and Ginger, you know, and on and on? And, you know, I have to stop myself. Remember, there's a lot I can't stop from happening. So what's the point worrying about it? You know, I can't, you know, it's not a good policy to like shut down and try to minimize risks. I, in my opinion, like a lot of people do, or that some people do by just like
Starting point is 00:55:42 going out less, doing things less, you know, just to cut down on the risk of something bad happening. Cause then I feel like you're not even really living. You know, it's not like you get points when you die for sticking around a couple more years. You know, you don't lose points for having too much fun, you know, and being a little adventurous when you're younger. I used to think Bethany was dumb
Starting point is 00:55:59 for getting back into the water after it's happened, but now I get it. Surfing is her passion, her life. We should all be lucky enough to find something we care about so much, something that fulfills us so greatly that not even losing an arm stops us from doing it. Even when doing it means you might lose another arm. Unless your passion is lighting in high powered firecrackers and holding them in your hand like a dumb shit until they explode. Uh, you know, then, then, then go for it.
Starting point is 00:56:26 You know, in that case, you should probably find a new hobby, but otherwise go for it. Um, so we'll touch on Nick and Bethany again. And today's top five takeaways. Hope, hope your stories inspired you. Hope last week and this week inspired you. Hope you can, you know, get a little inspiration head into the next year. Uh, back, back into more traditional type of time suck episodes starting next week. Now, let's hit the interlude button.
Starting point is 00:56:45 One more time. I'm talking about how things have gone with time suck since that suck sucks itself episode back in the fall of 2017. All right. So back in October 2017, I released an episode called The Sucks, The Self. And if you listen, that's the story of my life and career up into that point, you know, more focus on career.
Starting point is 00:57:11 And just a lot of talk of like, you know, you don't publicize your failures usually, but just to be, yeah, I guess kind of inspirational again, just to go with today's theme, to let people know that like, yeah, way more shit went wrong and went right. And got a lot of fun feedback about that like, yeah, way more shit went wrong, they went right. And got a lot of fun feedback about that, you know, from a lot of you listeners.
Starting point is 00:57:29 So I thought it'd be nice to kind of update at this end of the year episode. And this year, what a wild fun ride this has been. When we left off last fall, there was, just kind of thinking about today about like how far things have come, there was no podcast app. There was no podcast team. There was no podcast team. I mean, not really.
Starting point is 00:57:46 I had like one or two people kind of helped me with social media a little bit, but nothing like what happens now. No Patreon, no secret suck bonus additional weekly podcasts. I hadn't met Harmony Valley Camp yet, hadn't started working with Jesse Doberner. There was no suck dungeon. I was still recording that little office
Starting point is 00:58:04 like Corner of My House house with some basic, kind of rudimentary podcast equipment or at the kitchen or in some random hotel room out in the road. No Alex Dugan helping you know, structure emails and helping customer service know, access apparel. I just barely started working with Danger Brain. I just a few simple things.
Starting point is 00:58:24 I just started working with a few researchers to kind of you know, start helping with Danger Brain. I just a few simple things. I just started working with a few researchers to kind of, you know, start helping with some episodes. I just barely done my first live podcast in LA, little 60-seat venue, about 50 people showed up, you know, at that time, Queen of the Suck Lindsey was still working in real estate. I was last fall, just starting to get consistent sponsorship. And the best part of the most exciting part of last end of 2017, after that was the download numbers were exploding. It just felt crazy.
Starting point is 00:58:54 And it turns out it was. And I would get to that. I was on pace to get 200,000 plus downloads in episode and the first 30 days of release by the end of the year, which is a phenomenal number. That's like a huge number in the podcast world. Um, excuse me. And here's how ads work by the way on that.
Starting point is 00:59:12 You get just, uh, I love kind of letting you guys know how this all works. You get, um, paid for ads based on the amount of download slash listens your episode received. Based on, you know, they, they figure out a projected amount of downloads and listens, you're like, okay, you're averaging this many listens per episode in a two month period after release. And you have been for the past few months, so we feel comfortable telling companies
Starting point is 00:59:36 that if they buy an ad on your show, they'll get at least this many listens. And so I start making plans for the future. I'm reinvesting money and I start making plans for the future based on those numbers, based on that growth, based on these analytics that I've been monitoring for over a year and really digging into and reading everything I can on.
Starting point is 00:59:57 I met with the guys at Bitlixer who are just fans of the show. Chris Pakell was one who kicked it off and Chris, we go meet up, we decide to go through with his app, we're very excited, and I made this kind of mental goal, I'm like, okay, when I first talked to him, like, if it looks like I can get to 200,000 by the beginning of next year, then I feel comfortable based on two or three percent of those listeners, based on stuff I read about,
Starting point is 01:00:22 choosing to sign up on this Patreon account, then the app will pay for itself, and then I can actually hire people to help because it's getting really hard to handle all this by myself, blah, blah, blah. Like, you know, I'm making these decisions based on these numbers. And the guys gave me an amazing deal on the app, but if you don't know, I think a lot of people
Starting point is 01:00:40 are blown away by how much apps cost. I don't wanna say, because I don't wanna like, throw that personal information from BiddleLicks or Althair. But apps, you know, like they cost more than cars. You know, cheaper to get a car than to even to get a good deal on like a comprehensive app. And, but I felt confident pulling the trigger
Starting point is 01:00:56 because, you know, I figured that again, that ad money would, even if the, even if the Patreon attempt failed, I figured that ad money would cover it. And at least I wouldn't be losing money on the podcast. So I agreed to spend money, I didn't have to get the app and secret suck, you know, going, launch that Patreon account,
Starting point is 01:01:14 didn't know anything, you know, much about it before that. And then it's always such a roller coaster. Shortly after signing that contract, shit hits the fan in the podcast world. It turned out that industry-wide, download numbers weren't being calculated properly and hadn't been calculated properly for years. They were in fact extremely inflated. And then, as podcasts are becoming more popular and more companies, large-scale companies
Starting point is 01:01:39 are wanting to advertise on these podcasts, well, they get this consulting group form, this IAB, this interactive advertising bureau. You know, the heads of various big businesses and from radio and different places, and they're like, all right, we got all these companies, this pod bean, Art 19, Bluebird, all these hosting services, having their own analytics,
Starting point is 01:01:58 and it's kind of wild west, we have to come up with a uniform standard of how to determine what constitutes a download or a listen. They came up with, they took their initial stab at that. Nobody had a heads up about this. Just suddenly one day, my, and I talked to a bunch of other podcasts, and basically every other podcast downloads fell off a fucking cliff. So after I'd already committed to this, my download numbers dropped dramatically.
Starting point is 01:02:23 I went from projecting about 125,000 downloads in episode to projecting about 60,000, 70,000 downloads in episode, huge drop, like almost a 50% drop, which not only made me feel like, you know, I wouldn't end up having enough secret suck subscribers to make the Patreon subscription work, but also killed off a ton of sponsors, sponsors bail, you know, because you know, you don't hit projections,
Starting point is 01:02:46 they're disappointed. Suddenly, they're seeing this big shakeup in the world that kind of backed off for a few months on podcasts in general, except for the huge ones. You know, the my favorite murder, some of the Joe Rogan, the really big ones, the Mark Marin, who even just based on their YouTube and social media can see like, all right, they have an enormous listener base.
Starting point is 01:03:04 So suddenly, my futures look sketchy at best, which was a bummer, because I invested a lot of our savings to the end of 2017, into really believing this idea getting to go and talk Lindsey into like, let's do this. I turned down kind of outside consulting work, because I used to work in like reality TV briefly
Starting point is 01:03:21 from some contacts I had. Nope, don't have time, I've got to focus on this. Lindsay was entering the slow season in Corde of Lane for selling houses, which was her first year. It takes a little bit to build your business and real estate, our emergency savings start getting scary low. They're going to run out by March, April to latest, and then we're not going to know how we're going to pay for our life.
Starting point is 01:03:43 But the emails continue to pour. You guys kept sending them the messages. You kept talking about how much you love the show know how we're going to like pay for our life. But the emails continue to pour in. You guys kept sending them the messages. You kept talking about how much you love the show, how much it meant to you and just non-financial ways, you know, and just how much it helped you get through this problem or that. And it just kept me believing in it. You know, I'd meet you guys at shows and see how important it was to you. And it just felt like despite what the numbers felt like, despite what the numbers were saying,
Starting point is 01:04:05 despite what the analytics were reading, that something was growing, something was changing. And then in December of 2017, all of a sudden more people really started to kind of trickle into the shows. It started to become really evident that something different was happening. It really started in a grand Rapids,
Starting point is 01:04:21 Dr. Grins in 2017 in December. It just felt like more people were where I was when I came out on stage, and then it really took another little bump up at comedy works in Denver for the New Year's Eve kind of uh, uh, shows, and then, you know, my name was announced, it wasn't just this, you know, kind of obligatory applause, I was like, who is this guy? It was like, yeah, all right, dance coming out, we're excited. Uh, people are yelling, hail Nimrod and shit as I walk on stage. I do the here come the spoon stand up bit for a closing bit and people knew what it was, but I'm still nervous.
Starting point is 01:04:50 I'm still nervous, you know, because I'm the stand up side, even though it's looking a little better. At the same time, also kind of based on those numbers, feeling like I had a fallback plan, my agent and I took a huge gamble. We decided to say no to some of the clubs that have been most inconsistent clubs for booking me for years because there's this thing in the club world where you can get kind of like
Starting point is 01:05:12 a load, like guaranteed money which isn't much. After your travel and pain your age and manager, like it truly is not much. You could definitely not like provide for a family on it, like not even in Idaho. But it's something, you know, it's steady, but they didn't want to recognize for 2018 that I was starting to bring some fans. You guys were starting to come out and actually support me at live events.
Starting point is 01:05:33 And, you know, we fought them like, hey, we just, you know, if you could give us this cut if we sell X amount of tickets, could you please just, you know, give us a little bit of appreciation for that? Nope, they refused, so we just said, I fuck you guys, not an easy decision, and then started going to alternative rooms,
Starting point is 01:05:49 started going to new places, based on these splits. These door deals where you get a very low guarantee, lower than I was getting before, but if you sell a lot of tickets, you make much more than you did before, and it was a huge gamble. And man, like February and March, I didn't wanna like ever show it,
Starting point is 01:06:07 but nervous as shit. And then also, what happens? Before the launch of our app this last year, the analytics world, right when everybody says, okay, we had that drop, we think it, we have it figured out now. Then in December, it takes another huge drop, like another enormous one, where I had built back up on the new projection system,
Starting point is 01:06:31 the new analytics, where it was looking like, not gonna be 200,000, but looking like I'll hit like, you know, 100,000 downloads per episode early in 2018. Nope, drops down to 50,000. I mean, you know, this is, you know, it's dropping down to like 50,000 where it looked like it was gonna be 200,000
Starting point is 01:06:47 just a few months earlier. Ads go away again. Did it just start to come back poof? Gone, now I'm even more worried about the launch of the app. You know, we have a smaller pool to draw from. Worried about these, you know, future deals at clubs. You know, and I've already committed to paying these apkasts, whether or not the app was gonna work,
Starting point is 01:07:09 really, and also I'm getting more exhausted trying to stay on top of bonus episodes, trying to launch these new things, not sleeping very well, like four hours a night, not eating very well, not going to the gym, just trying to keep running, keep going, I need to hire somebody to keep things going. So I hire a part-time employee before the second analytic drop. I actually committed to an office lease and then, you know, so that was another thing where
Starting point is 01:07:34 it's like, then it drops and I'm like, God damn it. We can't fucking win. This is all going to fall apart. So I hire, but I hire somebody part-time because I can't do the secret suck alone for I knew I wouldn't be able to do it. And then it launches, it launches at the end of February and you guys came through. 874 patrons signed up right away, it was just like for those last few days of the month. By March, it was over 2,000 patrons.
Starting point is 01:07:59 By April, my cut from Patreon reached our goal of $10,000. Now we're able to kind of like have a team in that span, in that span of January, February, Lindsay. She sees, like once she sees the Patreon, you know, just start to work, she realizes he is going to burn out. He is going to fall apart. It was like, I had almost like a nervous breakdown, just out of just pure sleep deprivation one night in the office where I was so tired.
Starting point is 01:08:25 I just didn't have the energy to get the episode done. I did, but I was like, I can't do this much longer. Like I'm gonna just get real sick and just collapse from just, you know, not getting enough sleep. And so then she walks away from her job. You guys came through in the Patreon and it really was a dramatic behind the scenes couple of months. We had a lot of people who have been starting to help,
Starting point is 01:08:44 like Harmony, like this past, in November of 2017, Jesse Dobner, not too long after that, who offered to help on a pure volunteer basis, but I felt bad because they were getting so much work to do on social media and editing and different little things. Once the Patreon stuff, we were immediately able to, like, you know, throw Harmony some money,
Starting point is 01:09:02 when Alex came on, throw Alex some money, throw Jesse some money, throw our researchers that, you know, have consistently done a bunch of episodes. Now they get paid for episode, you know, the kind of the, the veteran staff, if you will, we're able to pay, you know, other people doing different things. We had a deal with danger brain for a while where it was just kind of trade out, but, you know, that's, that's not going to last forever. So then we're able to pay danger brain for future brandy, immerse it all because of, you know, you guys coming through, coming through. And you know, when everything else was real kind of all over the place, man, I'm so thankful
Starting point is 01:09:38 that I did pull the trigger on that app. And what a weird thing how life works. I thought about this so much. If I would have known my true numbers, I would have never pulled the trigger on Patreon. I would have never really, really gone for the thing that kind of built the community. I would have never tried to like, you know, work with Harmony and other people. I would have thought it just wasn't the right time. There's not enough people. She would have never started the private Facebook group that's led to so many people forming new relationships. All of that came because I was working off of
Starting point is 01:10:10 false information. I think about that so often. Yeah, I was able to, and then it just got, you know, as things got better than as you guys invested further in the show with Patreon numbers, the analytics have remained steady this year as far as how they value them. And we've more than doubled. We've gone up from that 50,000 projection where it's now, we're looking like a 125, 150,000 downloads in episode.
Starting point is 01:10:35 In the first two months, and that's all been organic. It's like you guys have believed enough in the show to really kind of spread the message just through word of mouth. I mean, that's the overwhelming majority of where we've got new listeners, which has allowed us to improve the show, you know, even doing video now. You know, wouldn't have been able to get the equipment, have somebody, you know, full time to do the manpower, put in the man, the hours it takes to get that done.
Starting point is 01:11:01 We were able to upgrade employee, you know. Things didn't work out with the first audio guy. We took a gamble on the next guy and had to pay him more. And he's for sure worth it. Joe Paisley, it was a big leap in salary from what we're doing before. And we just had another moment of like shit, I don't know. But then the emails keep coming in, the mess just keep coming in of like how much it matters.
Starting point is 01:11:22 And we're like, now we just, we to just go by instinct just keep riding that out. Uh, you know, funny thing with Joe, I used to my favorite radio station. Well, you know, back in college was rock 94 and a half. And he was a producer there for like 10 years. And it's just I still think it's so cool that the guy who produced my favorite radio station in Spokane is now working on time suck. And we're going to have him in here in a little while and a little bit later talk about why he chose to do that. Yeah, and so, you guys growing the show
Starting point is 01:11:55 allowed us to do really cool, fun, merch things. I used to love going into like Spencer's Gifts type stores, Hot Top type stores, and just seeing weird shit, Urban Outfitters, just seeing weird stuff, and be like, oh, that's so cool that people actually built that, they made that into a product. Now we have these weird prayer candles and all this stuff that I'm just so proud that exists.
Starting point is 01:12:12 It's just so fun to have out there in the world. It'll last beyond, you know, and possibly the life of the show even, who knows? It's out there. You know, you guys, I'm a big fan of TED Talks, because of your involvement in the show, that was something that happened this year. You guys wrote in, got me nominated for a TED X Talk
Starting point is 01:12:32 that I'm gonna do here in a few weeks. That's a cool bucket list thing that all came from this show. I let go of my manager and decided to reinvest that. The money I was paying her into 2019 is gonna be into just advertising the podcast, which I never would have done if you guys hadn't believed in it so much and came to the shows and talked about how much you believed in it.
Starting point is 01:12:53 It's like, now I'm like, what now I'm being an idiot. Why am I not putting a bunch of money in the advertising to reach more people who can get a lot out of this? And you know, and build the business financially, of course, what I love is it's about so much more than that. You know, I've had jobs in the past, where it was just about money, just a money grab. So thankful on a daily basis that this is not what I think.
Starting point is 01:13:14 When I come to work, I just think like, oh, that's gonna be cool. It's talking about some weird shit. Maybe people happy, best job ever. And butt, you know, as things go. And I'm gonna talk more about plans for 2019 after this. Not everybody has loved our journey, you know, this year. You know, there are people who post things or send messages who don't care for this show.
Starting point is 01:13:36 And before we talk more about, you know, just what we do here and what we want to do here going forward. And I know this is a little less structure, but I wanted it to be more from the heart. Let's check in. Let's do a kind of like the suck suck itself. Let's let's do an itties of the internet and go back to that and just talk about people saying shitty things about time suck. So let's see if that's fun. It is an adventure that is an adventure that is an adventure. Okay for today's it's the internet. I thought it was, again fitting to kind of roast the suck.
Starting point is 01:14:13 And you know like one of the main ways that the suck has spread is through reviews and ratings. You know you guys leave positive reviews, leave positive ratings, let's let people know that's cool. Just like a yell preview does with the restaurant. And they're like, oh I should check that out. And so I will look for time to time and see what people are saying.
Starting point is 01:14:30 And you definitely get some people who are not happy. And it is a surreal experience, it takes the while to get used to it. I don't know if you ever get used to it fully. I would just people saying super shitty things about you. But actually, kind of like the last few days, really thinking about, excuse me, last week and this week, these inspirational episodes, I think about like what somebody
Starting point is 01:14:48 like, you know, Nick has gone through, you know, all the taunting he had to endure and I'm worried about someone not liking the podcast, get out of here. So let's just start off with keep giving me murder rights. This is on iTunes. This is the one, these first ones are all one star reviews on iTunes. One star review from Keep Giving Me Murder who writes terrible, absolutely terrible. Keep on scrolling for a podcast that isn't so bad. It's cringe worthy.
Starting point is 01:15:16 Sometimes what I will do when someone just is aggressively hateful. I'm like, now is it just me? Or do they just, are they just a hateful person? I, I clicked on their profile. Keep giving me murder has left one other review on iTunes only also giving a one star review to behind the bastard, saying, Mario Eaton is annoying. Please don't have her as a guest again.
Starting point is 01:15:38 I had to cut it short because I can't stand listening to someone constantly say, yep. No need to agree. When Ben is trying to tell the story, shut up. College boys using this episode as a drinking game when Maryall says, yep, would be wasted. And you know what, I gotta say that man, I'm glad I did that because that made me feel better.
Starting point is 01:16:00 Cause now I'm like, oh, okay, keep giving me, keep giving me murder. It's just a piece of shit. Uh, what? You had to stop, you had to stop listening to some podcasts because someone kept saying, yeah, you're just like, I can't fucking take it! The yep!
Starting point is 01:16:17 And then not only that, you had to like, oh, I gotta let them know. I don't like it when people say yep. I don't know anything when people say yep. I don't know anything about keep giving me murder, but I would bet my life. There are accomplishing nothing in this world that they are just a fucking sad loser who just hates on shit and actually puts them self out there to be possibly judged zero times. Sinister Melon gives times like one star saying wanted to love it, but couldn't finish any
Starting point is 01:16:46 of the three episodes I started. The stories are good. The facts were there, but the comedy kills it. Yes, his comedy style slash podcast isn't for me. And you know what? That's fair. That's fair. Not everyone loves me since the humor.
Starting point is 01:16:58 Never have, never will. Best of luck. Sinister Mellon, I value your negative review far more than the previous one. I accept it. And I did look into your profile as well. And I think you gave everyone else, and there was about 15 others, five out of five stars. So, okay, you're not a troll.
Starting point is 01:17:17 You just really, you really, really hate my sense of humor. And then you move done. And I think that's what you're supposed to do in that situation. So, okay, that's fair Hellshrine gives the suck one star writing two-poch episode I unfortunately listened to this episode and it was Horrifyingly insensitive to the two-poch family It would actually be Shakur family You dipshit. It's such a great concept for a podcast, but this entertainer shows his true colors in this episode.
Starting point is 01:17:46 True colors? You know what, how about you fuck off, Hellstrein? That reads to me like, he's racist. I didn't like to, I didn't like what he was saying about African Americans. I joke around about every topic the same way, regardless of the meat-saxx color. And that's how it's supposed to be.
Starting point is 01:18:00 That's supposed to be. It's racist when you pull back your punches towards a certain ethnic group. To me, that is like you saying, they can't handle this because they're not equal. So I better back off. Give it, give everybody the same treatment. That's the quality. So whatever, it's not gonna give a shit about that one. And then she bled, that's a sketchy name. Cracks me up with their ones to review.
Starting point is 01:18:26 This may be my favorite one. They just post, read this, awful, getting more worse. Yeah, is it getting more worse than your grammar? And if it was awful, if you already thought it was awful, why in God's name would you keep listening? I've never understood that personality. I guess just because you're fucking idiot. Definitely don't give a shit what you think.
Starting point is 01:18:51 You did not deserve the suck. I actually wish I could somehow ban you from listening to anything I've ever done on all media sources. That is just such a weird personality to me when someone's like, God, I hate this. Let's watch it. Let's see if it's gotten worse. That's worse. That's all right, but you know what, next week, maybe it won't be quite as terrible.
Starting point is 01:19:13 I mean, I also hate it, but it might even be even worse. Let's watch it again. There's so many entertainment options out there. Find something you don't hate. How hard is that? User Cabronda 17 One stars, the suck right, and used to be my favorite. I used to love this podcast,
Starting point is 01:19:28 but with the idiots of the internet section, I can't stand it. Nobody cares about those idiots, and he spends too much time on it and reacted to it. Well, now you're in that section, uh, cabronda 17, you dickweed. Hope you give the suck one more chance only to hear this episode,
Starting point is 01:19:44 and I hope it sends you into a fucking murderous rage True moron Sam popo post his one star writing This this is cracks me up because it's so absurd. It's so absurd. He writes horrible host horribly awful I like the content and ideas he discusses, but he has horrible jokes. He loves the word horrible and is very bad at giving podcasts. I love the phrase. He's very bad at giving podcasts. And then the suggestion at the end is the kicker to me. This is the best part. Maybe a new host. Ah, maybe, maybe you learn how not to be borderline illiterate before drawing webcom is very bad at giving podcasts.
Starting point is 01:20:26 Please tell me English is not your first language. You are very bad at giving feedback. And then new hosts, I am the show you dumb shit. It's not like I was hired to do this. It's my fucking show. Just find a different podcast. That is like somebody, I'll use, that's like somebody being like, you know what? Here's the thing. I like, listen, I like the concept of John Mayer, but
Starting point is 01:20:50 what I don't like is his music or him as a person or how he performs his music. Could you please, could someone at John Mayer, please replace John May mayor. Can we have a different John mayor, John mayor? Oh, you're fucking so dumb. I don't even understand how you, I don't understand how you can be that dumb, but know how a computer works. Like, I really don't. I'm amazed by so many people. I'm like, how can you be that stupid, but be able to turn on a computer? Like, how, how, how do those qualities coexist in person?? Now let's move over to YouTube. User, blood, falcon, fantastic. Left to follow and comment just recently. Recently, as I was doing this, I did this a little bit before the holidays.
Starting point is 01:21:33 On the alphabet killer suck on YouTube. Right, this is maybe the most annoying form of criticism I get. Hey, Dan, why don't you actually start covering creepy shit again? Sorry, but another serial killer or another president or some historical figure we all know about is getting dull. Give us some conspiracy, give us some mythology, give us some of that wackadoodle goodness we all crave. These last few months have been disappointing. Sad. Make me happy. Make weird. Get happy. Dude, exactly one month before when you leaving this comment, I did a two and a half hour
Starting point is 01:22:11 wackadoodle fest episode on the illuminati new world order conspiracy. What in the fuck are you talking about? Two weeks before that, Russian sleep experiment. That's pretty weird. That's some folklore. That's some web folklore. What about the huge demonology suck right before that one? You're not helpful when you send thoughtless criticism.
Starting point is 01:22:33 Like effective criticism helps. If you're like, hey man, didn't like the approach you took to the research the last few episodes. Didn't love all of the topics. But you like, dude, won't you ever do a surreld killer suck like the day I do one? Then you're fucking, you're being stupid. How could you have time to leave that comment, but not have time to just look at the previous two months of worth of episodes you're referring to and be like, oh, that would have been dumb for me to write. User Sarah Nevit goes full skit to frenic. I don't even understand what the fuck this person's talking about.
Starting point is 01:23:10 But I thought it was worth mentioning here. Posting, this is under the demonology, Ed and Lorraine Warren. It's actually post one. We don't need the multiple camera angles and neither is flattering. Kind of a dick thing to say number two I see your tattoo might as well have just gone with Utah too funny. What? Number three, I am no sucker Okay
Starting point is 01:23:39 Number four, you're still blabbing about bullshit as I type this and then and then most confusing number five. Thanks for the upload Take your meds Sarah Take your meds. I have an Idaho tattoo Because I'm from Idaho and I live in Idaho. You tremendous dipshit I love you. I love you saying I'm blabbing bullshit, but then saying but thanks for the upload You are insane. You're insane. I spent last time on YouTube, spend more time like sitting in a quiet, outdoor location next to a pile of self-help books that you're taking seriously.
Starting point is 01:24:16 Uh, Lobo Lopez under my new World Order Suck rights, I think Alex Jones is a bit off, but he did get the world's superpowers dressed up and doing rituals. And this fucking guy is making light of it, even defending it. This dude is bot and sold. You are so dumb, it's hard to figure out where to start talking about your lobo. Alex Jones didn't uncover dick. You fucking non-critical thinking skill having motherfucker.
Starting point is 01:24:44 He filmed like theater. He filmed silly rituals. You know what if somebody filmed us doing a secret suck handshake? Would you be like, oh, you would? Because you're a paranoid fucking moron. Freemasons have rituals. Have you have you seen the current state of the Freemasons lodges? Do you really think old men going to dilapidated buildings are running the fucking planet? Bought and sold? Finally, I kind of like that. Finally, someone thinks I'm part of the Illuminati. Cannot wait until I get some Illuminati iconography tattoos down the road. I seriously part of the reason I want to do that is just to fuck with lunatics and make them think like, going out, he's part of it. He's in the new world order.
Starting point is 01:25:27 Last one, Steven Taylor wrote, I listened till you plugged Jim Jeffries, Dweesh. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha poor widow sensitive boy who doesn't like Jim Jeffries. Also, it's spelled douche. Douche. Ha ha! Thank you, Adam. Perfect. Perfect.
Starting point is 01:25:51 I love it. I love it when you guys troll back trolls. I love it. They fucking deserve it. Somebody like, why waste your time? It is fun. It is fun to give a little back. They make some so angry.
Starting point is 01:26:00 And you know what? They're putting their shit on everything else. Nah, throw a little shit back sometimes and And I actually for the record. I don't mind criticism. I Know there's plenty of I hate his comedy type quotes. Those actually don't bother me Because I don't expect anyone to like it. I don't think everyone should like it. It's subjective I actually love constructive criticism like you know, hey Dan I liked it when you used to do blank. How come you don't do more of that? I wish you did more of blank.
Starting point is 01:26:28 You know, I feel like there's not enough for that in society. You know, usually people put zero thought into criticism. Like, just go to Yelp. It's very rarely constructive. Place was dirty and the waitress was more on, never go. Boo. You know, it's like that kind of vibe, you know, or on YouTube, iTunes especially. iTunes I think might be the worst.
Starting point is 01:26:48 I'm amazed. I've talked about this before, I'm sure. But the one that kills me the absolute most is when people go to bands they hate who haven't released the album yet. It's a pre-order. And they one star the shit out of it and leave the most vile comments imaginable. You guys have sucked for 10 years. I hate your music so much.
Starting point is 01:27:09 It makes me want to fucking cut my ears off. No one should listen. Fuck you, you worthless troll. You know, that band you hate will do more good in the world than you and your entire fucking family tree. You piece of shit. This got me fired up. You know what? I actually, I like it. The piece of shit. This got me fired up. I actually, I like it, the blood's moving.
Starting point is 01:27:28 I like that about troll. I do like that about the negative stuff. It does get me like, ah, yes, I feel alive. So I will leave today's idiots with some constructive criticism I own actually. Before you control it all over YouTube, work on spelling and grammar.
Starting point is 01:27:43 That would be my constructive criticism for a lot of YouTube trolls. People take your feedback more seriously if you know how to spell, you know, the word douche. And maybe don't say things like more worse unless you want to make it real obvious that you're more dumb than most people on the internet. And that you are definitely an idiot of the internet. It is an idiot to that, it's an idiot to that. Okay, so I think I've covered a lot of what we've done here in 2018.
Starting point is 01:28:15 A lot of good stuff. You know, move things forward a lot. 2019 plans. I want to start having sex with members. That's a big goal for 2019. We're going to go full cult. Got to have have got to impregnate a lot of people. Gotta start You know cutting guys out of the loop and then put no that's not we're not gonna be that kind of cult I mean really what I want to do is just review. We're gonna have some time over the holiday break I got this stuff done a little bit advanced. I can have time to reflect review What episodes were the most popular? What did people like? What did I like the most find that intersection of the two? You know try to like curate
Starting point is 01:28:46 Uh the suck a little more effectively. I feel like in 2019 You know tune up the secret suck. I'm gonna introduce one new segment soon Maybe introduce another how can we make that more entertaining more of a standalone podcast? More street team. Thank you street team, you know for the stickers We want to make more of those Get those out all over the world. I love the punk rock vibe, but that's gonna, like I said, buy ads on other podcasts. Gonna reinvest your guys' investments
Starting point is 01:29:13 and really try to grow this and spread this and be able to give more to charity. So proud of the charity work we've done the last six months. Wanna give much more of that going forward. Hopefully, announce a big gathering. Lindsay's working on it. I don't want to mess it up and give anything away. How can we build a community even further?
Starting point is 01:29:32 How can we contribute more to this new sense of tribe or family from any of you? Want to work hard on kicking out content? Think about what characters are the best. Strength in the mythology of some characters, maybe cut others. I want to end 2019 by growing this enough to realistically entertain a dream of either buying a place and having a true customized suck dungeon or lease in a place that we can customize. And, uh, and yeah, and I think that's it. And we're going to get Joe here in a second with today's top five takeaways.
Starting point is 01:29:58 Gonna have him come in at number five. Uh, let's get to today's top five takeaways. Time, suck, top five takeaways. Time, Chuck, top five takeaways. Number one, Nick Voichich was born with Tetra Amelia Syndrome. And he now has 11 wife and four kids in an amazing career and he's doing what he loves and he's inspiring so many people. And he could have chosen just to live on disability and be a web troll. But he didn't't and he's just
Starting point is 01:30:26 Changing lives for the better not sure I would be as strong in that situation man Thank you for existing Nick. Thanks for being you. Definitely one of my heroes hail them Rod A number two Bethany Hamilton had her arm bit off by a tiger shark at 13 years old while surfing back in the water a month later She went on to become her professional surfer and as a humanitarian today, bravery. She has it in spades. Hope this 41 year old man can be half as brave that 13 year old girl was when I need to be. Number three, you have more than double the audience
Starting point is 01:30:55 of the show in 2018. Thank you. I hope we can double it again in 2019. Hope we can improve it to make it worth your time. Number four, to start off the year, we had roughly zero listeners, or remember, excuse me, in a private Facebook group, now we have over 5,300.
Starting point is 01:31:10 I might have not even mentioned that before, and it's growing every month. Thanks for turning this from a goofy podcast into this awesome community of people who care and help one another. Number five, new info. We are planning on releasing two additional podcasts in 2019 under the network name of bad magic productions.
Starting point is 01:31:28 I'm trying to get my shit together with time suck, really make sure the hatches are battened down. There we go, before going forward. And then yeah, get in here, Peele Paisley. That's my name? Get in here, get in here Reverend Dr. Joe Paisley. Peele Paisley. Peele Paisley.
Starting point is 01:31:44 And gonna have one. One of the new ones is gonna be with Joe, where we talked about that poke fun at ourselves and ignorance all over the web. I'll scoot on over. Try to get everyone else and ourselves to raise our games and have a lot of laughs along the way. And then Queen of the Succanae are gonna launch a horror podcast based on urban legends, hauntings, creepy paranormal, other terrifying, supposedly true,
Starting point is 01:32:05 campfire type, fright tales, to ideally scare the shit out of you on a weekly basis, with another fun podcast there. And just so fun to be able to work with my wife and kids and a cool dude like Joe and have it be like a family business. I love family businesses way before I was ever doing comedy.
Starting point is 01:32:21 So thanks for making it a dream come true. And I think that, and the goal is to To make her stay awake all night exactly like podcast and then she's She's a wreck. She's a wreck between podcasts all the way to the next one. So just spit balls Until she emotionally and mentally collapse is that's the goal and I get a new family. Yeah, you get a new haunting There we go. I mean she's alive,, but, but she's a good ghost, contact person.
Starting point is 01:32:47 I can't do wonder, like it might not be the best personal life. Well, I mean, we'll figure it out. But I think part of that show after we've done a few is going to be just checking in with like, so how scared were you when I was in Albany this last week? Make sure you time up the jokes to like, the ones when you're gone are about people that break into racial invasions. Home invasions. And the ones when you're gone or about people that are open
Starting point is 01:33:05 and the ones when you're there is about husband's killing wives. Now what now what have you seen? I know we got a wrap this up here because we got into the work day. Yeah, but um, so you so you I know with time wise, we can't stay too long, but what do you like about what we've done this last year? And what do you want to see this thing do in this next year? It's been incredible to watch it just in what am I? I've been here for six months. Yes, since we run mid-July, like fourth actually.
Starting point is 01:33:32 Yeah, happy holidays, everybody. Just watching the growth in that time span has been remarkable. And I'm coming from radio where it's more of a sustainable audience. Yeah. Like you're just trying to not lose your audience. Okay. Opposed to that you want to entertain them. You want to build it.
Starting point is 01:33:51 Yeah. But a lot of the times you're just catering to who is out there. Right. And who has a dedicated, you know, they like rock music. However, time suck, you have people that like rock and metal, but you also have people that like dance and talk about. It's the first. Yeah. so you have a way more diverse audience and a lot of room to grow.
Starting point is 01:34:10 And being in radio and being in that environment, like you mentioned earlier for a decade, seeing this and seeing the connection that you had with the podcast, and also, as you mentioned, just going off word of mouth. Right. And seeing where it had gotten I mean I only had to spend a day yeah a day maybe a day and a half of like kind of digging around right from the first talk you know listen to some more episodes yeah looking online at the at the community that is there and just kind of you taking that, it wasn't really a risk. I mean, I guess kind of.
Starting point is 01:34:45 Yeah, kind of. For sure. I mean, in my mind, it wasn't, I mean, you look at it and you're like, yeah, it was a risk. You're leaving a job you could potentially have forever. Right. And be just fine and thrive in. Right. Or you jump ship and go see where this goes.
Starting point is 01:34:58 I mean, looking at it from that standpoint, but from my perspective, it was a completely, it was a complete step up to new possibilities and really getting back into that creative side that kind of slowly disappeared in the radio world. Wow. Of course, the years, as you, you know, they, like every big company, they do the downsizing and one person would get fired or leave. And then everybody that was still there would just get all their Task without getting more money and that just spitballed forever until all of the creative
Starting point is 01:35:31 Stuff got put on hold all the time and I I guess kind of Just had that realization that it wasn't gonna get better. It's not that stuff wasn't coming back right, so you know, it was fun being on air and doing all that, but this was exactly what I was looking for. So jumping over here and having the confirmation that I made the correct decision, it fills me with an incredible amount of joy. Yeah. I mean, yeah. I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, to know that it was. Right, and you know, and like, and like, you know, you guys, when you support the show and just keeping listening, I mean, you know, you enrich not only like my life and Linsley Life, but Joe's as well, where it's like,
Starting point is 01:36:13 we've talked about, and I know you've, you know, been open about this, but you know, like, you know, like one of your kids, your awesome, your son, you know, he, there's sometimes you have to leave for various like appointments and things. And so that would have been harder to do and so by this job You're able to like you know be more flexible with your family which makes us feel good that we can be a little part of that
Starting point is 01:36:32 And then you know you're so hopeful with this and just and that it just fits all that feels right with what time this community angle is just The support what a pleasant surprise the support on the outside from the listeners. And then we have, I feel very grateful that I guess us three in the dungeon have gotten well. So well, I mean, it got in a long so well. It took zero seconds for us to look at each other and realize, that's gonna work out. And it's the personalities. Everything just worked so well.
Starting point is 01:37:02 So I am thankful for that on top of the listeners. And I think that it's nowhere but up for 2019. I mean, yeah, we got some more podcasts coming. And we have some more equipment to grab. Right. You know, that's improving. Yeah, keep improving and growing. And I know that people have, have been, you know, been pointing stuff out in different areas with you too. And we're like, yeah, we're getting there. We're getting there. And we're going to be there probably in the first, first couple of months. We'll be pulling that trigger in 2019. And that's the upgrade the studio equipment. Absolutely.
Starting point is 01:37:29 But if the support wasn't there, then it would not happen. Yep. So that every time we make an improvement on what we're doing, it means that you guys are doing your job and showing your support for time. So, yeah, so you know, really 2019 is like, it's this symbiotic relationship. The love you guys give us makes us take it that much more seriously and work that much harder. So thank you, thank you, thank you.
Starting point is 01:37:49 And thanks for accepting Joe, even though with the micro-pean thing, I know it kind of spread out in the community and no one's really been too judgey about that. No, they've encouraged me to just keep putting it out there. Even though what I'm putting out there is more in, if that makes sense. Yeah, like a cereal bowl, If that makes sense. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:38:05 Like a cereal bowl, like a belly button. Exactly. It's like, oh, you want to see it? And then it just is a cave. Yeah. But it's there. And I know, and I know, and I know you may have to run. You can just leave a sticky note of what I need to do
Starting point is 01:38:17 after you leave. Oh, okay, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I,, Joe Paisley, popping in here for today's top five day. I can't wait to be doing a weekly show with the Reverend Dr. Joe. Time, suck, top five takeaway. So, you know, 2019 has been suck now. Thank you. Or wait, 2018, I gotta head of myself. Time travel for a second. 2018 has been suck, gonna suck 2019. Thanks for making it the best, you the best year of my professional life,
Starting point is 01:38:46 truly. And actually, because of the family business, being able to make it just rewarded in so many ways, thanks for letting us be able to hire Joe. We love that, dude. And so many other people we work with, the entire team, and we'll be able to, yeah, yeah, do just continue to give back to them down the road as well. It's just a win-win. So proud of it.
Starting point is 01:39:07 Over two years every Monday, every Monday now in the can. But proud of that. Thanks a few more inspirational tales and then you know, we'll get to a more traditional episode next week. Thanks for a great year to the time stock team. You know, high priest is a sock harmony velocamp. You know, she took, took charge to build that culturally community, curious, Facebook, her and Alex took charge to build the discord group. That's where a lot of the community has been built. So kudos to Harmony, kudos to Alex, and really for pioneering that, and it's done wonders for the show. And, you know, I certainly appreciate and notice,
Starting point is 01:39:42 you know, Jesse Gardy and the grammar dobner is there for me pulling a lot of late nights when I get in research last minute to look it over for all my fucked up word choices and grammar selections. Reverend Dr. Joe Paisley for being so invested and working so hard at this. The guy is at Bidelixer for being so good, they're going to have some new customer service stuff soon on the app to make people who have problems, they can get to them even faster. Danger brain for really keeping our merch on point and giving us a brand identity, which is sometimes a term I didn't even think about a year ago. The space lizards and merch wizards access to peril, so proud of all the fun goofy stuff
Starting point is 01:40:19 in the store that you guys worked so hard to come up with with Queen of the Suck Lindsey myself and you're doing so much more in 2019. Huge thanks to all the researchers, including this week's researchers, the Lily twins, Reba and Sarah Hammer's knowledge for digging up that info on Nick and Bethany. If you haven't given the Facebook group discord, a try, there's links in the episode description. Get in there. Next week, a more traditional suck. The mysterious disappearance of DB Cooper. Finally, DB Cooper won a space-sister vote on the afternoon of November 24th, 1971, non-descript man, column self-dan Cooper.
Starting point is 01:40:55 He approaches the counter of Northwest, Orient Airlines and Portland, Oregon, uses cash to buy one-way ticket to Seattle and begins one of the greatest unsolved mysteries of FBI history. He's quiet, appeared to be in his mid 40s or a business suit with a black tie in a white shirt ordered a drink, bourbon and soda,
Starting point is 01:41:12 while the flight was waiting to take off. Short time after 3 p.m. Hands a stewardess to note indicating the bomb in his briefcase wanted her to sit with him. She does what he's told, opens up his little cheap case, shows her a massive wires, red colored sticks, demands that she write down what he's told opens up his little cheap case, shows her a massive wires red colored sticks demands that she write down what he tells her. She goes up to the cabin, the pilots, you know, let the FBI know that he's demanded four
Starting point is 01:41:33 parachutes and $2,000 and $20 bills. And then, you know, he gets to Seattle. It's most people who get off the plane, keeps a few for some collateral and the pilots to fly. They go towards Mexico City and then somewhere over Oregon, he just bounces. He just jumps out of that plane and he's never been seen again. What happened? We're going to dig into it to start off 2019.
Starting point is 01:41:56 And time now for Time Sucker Updates. short and funny uh... a little update the lensei coming in from time sucker yana moberg who says uh... do you think the alphabet murderers kind of annoyed that he wasn't called the eliteration murder well played well played uh... important thought provoking update from an anonymous sucker wrote uh... the day i got someone killed dear master mother suckers intense He made an important thought-provoking update from an anonymous sucker who wrote, the day I got someone killed,
Starting point is 01:42:26 Dear Master Mother Sucker, this is intense. Dear Master Mother Sucker, if you by chance share this, please keep my name anonymous, done. I am filling my earholes with some sweet, sucking knowledge specifically the alphabet killer. You were talking about the whole idea of see something, say something, and I wanted to share an experience.
Starting point is 01:42:42 I was driving to work one morning, past this dude carrying a sword. He was just walking down the street, bothering no one, but doing it carrying a samurai sword. He also appeared to be a little dressed up and kind of looked like he was wearing some semi-formal samurai style clothing. I know that the area I live in does allow, you know, open carry of knives and guns, but given the time and circumstances, I thought it was a bit odd. I almost did nothing, but then I thought about my wife and kids. I admit that one reason I almost did nothing was this kid was black and I did not want to be seen as being racist. In my mind, a black dude with a sword equals blade and a super bad ass.
Starting point is 01:43:16 How man, Wesley Snipes, I can crush it. But also kind of out of place with where I was that day in time. Anyways, this guy was walking toward a shopping center, and although I did not think that my wife was shopping the time I did not know for sure, I thought about how horrible I would feel if this do, went to the stores in that area, started playing ninja, ran into my wife and kid, and how bad would I feel if I could have stopped the situation, didn't?
Starting point is 01:43:36 Anyways, I did end up calling 911, the police responded. At some point while talking to the police, this guy apparently started to draw his sword on the officers and the officer shot and killed him. On the one hand, I've been plagued with guilt over this young man losing his life. On the other hand, I am relieved that he was not able to hurt anyone. If he did indeed draw his sword on the cops, I have to believe that he was up to, you know, something that was probably not 100% altruistic.
Starting point is 01:43:59 Anyway, since this happened, I tried talking about it, but was really surprised to find that many people were pissed at me and pissed at the cops. I was predictably labeled a racist, which I'm not, and received several death threats. The moral of the story, I still believe in the C-Somptons, say something rule, but if you do say something, it may be best not to talk about it later. While C-Somptons, say something, seems like common sense, and probably is for obtaining citizens like myself and my fellow spac spaces are not common sense for everyone. I am glad you brought this up and I'm gonna take
Starting point is 01:44:28 what may be an unpopular stance but I believe this wholeheartedly. When you choose to go out in society in a threatening manner with your body language, with a weapon, something like that. And then people come down on the police when they shoot. I know there's exceptions to what i'm saying but in many cases you brought that shit on yourself when you were being threatening they can't they can't read your fucking mind
Starting point is 01:44:52 you walk into a store with the god damn sword start taking that out how does anybody know you're not gonna fucking go crazy and really start to hurt somebody uh... you don't want to get shot well good with a good way to not get shot maybe maybe not swing swords around and I know there are other cases when the cops have overreacted and have shot somebody who clearly was not a physical threat. But I think there's a lot of other cases when someone was being menacing
Starting point is 01:45:17 and someone was being threatening and someone grossly violating laws and then they get hurt. And then somehow the cops are blamed. The social justice warriors who go hard on that, I would love to see how they would react if someone was coming towards them. What if someone put their hands on them? What if they didn't know if that person had a weapon? What if it was dark?
Starting point is 01:45:37 And they had the means to defend themselves. Would they just like kind of hope for the best? But you expect some police officers putting themselves in harm's way day after fucking day, literally putting their life on the line to be like, well, guess I hope they don't get shot. I don't want to look like an asshole. So I'll just, you know, get this person an opportunity to possibly, you know,
Starting point is 01:45:55 take my fucking life. God, that should fires me up. Again, exceptions to that, but people don't have any fucking common sense when it comes to that so many people. It's like, oh yeah, real, it's like armchair quarterback syndrome. Real easy to say, oh, you should have done this or that when you weren't in an intense possibly very violent situation.
Starting point is 01:46:14 I just think that a few bad apples really do kind of spoil the bunch for police officers and I know a lot of people have had bad experiences and the experiences you've had with those officers, yeah, those guys were being piece of shit. But I know a lot of other officers are really just trying to keep people safe. And if you really hate the cops, then you know what, I wish you could live in a world
Starting point is 01:46:36 where there's no law enforcement whatsoever and see how you like that shit. Okay, and I'm gonna step down for my soapbox. This next update says that the suck heals and saves. This is from an update from Nyoka Eddington who rides Dear Great Master's Sucker as a list and time suck. I hear others tell their stories about how your show has helped him. I just wanted to let you know how much time suck has helped me and literally saved my life. And March, I was diagnosed with lmyr syndrome. I don't know that one. Also known as the Forgotten Disease.
Starting point is 01:47:05 Okay. There you go, because it's so rare. It was an infected blood clot in my jugular vein. Damn, that turned my entire body septic whole shit. I was medically induced into a coma because I lost kidney function and my lungs were completely filled with infectious fluid. The last thing I remember was my doctor telling me I was very sick, but they were going to try and save me.
Starting point is 01:47:24 On Easter Sunday, I woke up with two large chest tubes inserted into my lungs. I was encouraged to cough a lot to help push fluid out of my lungs. Unfortunately, it was very painful and doing so brought me to tears every single day. Laughter really was the best medicine because it helped me cough. So I would listen to your conversation on Pandora to help me force me to cough by laughing. That's when I found time suck. I'll be in stuck to a hospital bed. There wasn't that much to do. force me to cough by laughing. That's when I found TimeSuck. I've been stuck to a hospital bed. There wasn't that much to do, so I listened to the suck.
Starting point is 01:47:48 Laughing every day as I caught up on old episodes. It was one of the most painful things I've ever endured, but I couldn't resist listening. And now I'm happily engaged. I'm getting married next August. I have recovered completely. And I just wanted to say thank you from the bottom of my heart for helping make my recovery a little less painful
Starting point is 01:48:03 and giving me so much knowledge in the process. Yours, Trouler, time sucker, Nyoka, S. Eddington, PS, I wish my middle initial was X, but my parents were laymo's. Well, you're not a laymo, you're not a laymo and I'm so happy for you, I'm so happy your life has turned around, I'm so happy you were able to get creative and find a way to deal with the pain, I feel like that kinda ties in to this week and last week.
Starting point is 01:48:24 You know, good on you. Good on you. I hope it didn't fuck your name out too. I looked at some pronunciation places, but you never know. Finally, a little bit of love. Last one coming in from Jonathan LaPlanet, who writes, hello master sucker.
Starting point is 01:48:36 First time writing in, just finished all the podcast. It makes me so sad. We'll become a spaces or sometimes soon. I wanted to write in and just say thank you. My favorite comedian growing up was Robin Williams After he passed I really hadn't listened to much comedy starting a new job where I was able to wear headphones I later realized Pandora has stand up never heard of you before but as soon as I heard your comedy I was hooked
Starting point is 01:48:57 Heard of the podcast through Pandora and I'm so happy I did my girlfriend and I listened to some episodes When I got home from work hoping to go see you in May next year in Boston. I hope so too. I live in New Hampshire. I try telling everyone about this gem of podcast. Thank you for everything. I have a new favorite comedian. Keep on sucker from Time Suck fan for Life.
Starting point is 01:49:14 PS Chicken Joe is by far one of my favorite characters. Well, Bob, Bob, Playboy, Bob, Bob. And thank all of you. Thank all of you for sending your updates all year. Thanks for the Thanks for the listens and that's it for this week's time-soaker updates Thanks time suckers. I need a net. We all did Thanks again for 2018 time suckers. Recorded this few weeks back Had time to reflect by the time this comes out. I hope I can make you more proud. Hope I can make this bigger and better in 2019.
Starting point is 01:49:48 I couldn't be more motivated to do so. Uh, don't treat anyone who is physically disabled as if they are mentally disabled, uh, or, or less than in any way this week or any week or ever. And when the chips are down, find a new perspective. And, uh, you turn that, you turn those lemons into some lemonade and you keep on sucking and you kick the fucking shit out of 2019. What if I started doing a new character where he just takes long water breaks during this show? Anyways guys, sorry about, hold on. Oh, why is a lot of people have been complaining about the water? I'm just trying to stay hydrated.
Starting point is 01:50:41 Awww, why is a lot of people have been complaining about the water? I'm just trying to stay hydrated.

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