Timesuck with Dan Cummins - 126 - The Black Panthers

Episode Date: February 11, 2019

The Black Panthers! A very controversial civil rights group originating in Oakland, California in 1966. Formed by young revolutionaries Huey Newton and Bobby Seale in response to police brutality that become commonplace in Oakland. Based on the teachings of black nationalist Malcom X, the Black Panthers became a national organization that aggressively sought social justice for black Americans. They also became a huge target of the FBI and ended up getting in numerous violent clashes with law enforcement around the country. Learn about their complicated history today on Timesuck! We're donating $1600 this month to the Cancer Research Institute. www.cancerresearch.org to donate! Upcoming Tour dates: February 15-17 Philadelphia, Pennsylvania - Punchline Comedy Club CLICK HERE for tix! February 22-23 Salt Lake City, Utah - Wiseguys's Comedy Club CLICK HERE for tix! February 23 Salt Lake City, Utah - Wiseguy's LIVE ANTHILL KIDS TIMESUCK CLICK HERE for tix! February 26 Birmingham, Alabama - Stardome Comedy Club CLICK HERE for tix! February 27 Atlanta, Georgia - The Punchline Comedy Club CLICK HERE for tix! Feb 28 - March 2 Nashville, Tennessee - Zanies Comedy Club CLICK HERE for tix! March 3 Huntsville, Alabama - Stand Up Live CLICK HERE for tix! Listen to the best of my standup on Spotify! (for free!) https://spoti.fi/2Dyy41d Timesuck is brought to you by the following sponsors: The Broaum podcast is hosted by Timesuckers and Space Lizards Joe Dimeo and Ben Ferguson, enlightening you with important dude-centric knowledge every week! Go to www.broaum.com Leesa! Get 15% off any mattress for a limited time at leesa.com/TIMESUCK and use promo code TIMESUCK The Great Courses Plus! So much knowledge! Start your free trial now only at TheGreatCoursesPlus.com/TIMESUCK Want to try out Discord!?! https://discord.gg/tqzH89v Watch the Suck on Youtube: https://youtu.be/GeTCU69ICcM Merch - https://badmagicmerch.com/ Want to try out Discord!?! https://discord.gg/tqzH89v Want to join the Cult of the Curious private Facebook Group? Go directly to Facebook and search for "Cult of the Curious" in order to locate whatever current page hasn't been put in FB Jail :) For all merch related questions: https://badmagicmerch.com/pages/contact Please rate and subscribe on iTunes and elsewhere and follow the suck on social media!! @timesuckpodcast on IG, @timesuckpodcast on Twitter, and www.facebook.com/timesuckpodcast Wanna be a Space Lizard? We're over 3500 strong! Click here: https://www.patreon.com/timesuckpodcast Sign up through Patreon and for $5 a month you get to listen to the Secret Suck, which will drop Thursdays at Noon, PST. You'll also get 20% off of all regular Timesuck merch PLUS access to exclusive Space Lizard merch. You get to vote on two Monday topics each month via the app. And you get the download link for my new comedy album, Feel the Heat. Check the Patreon posts to find out how to download the new album and take advantage of other benefits!

Talking about the black panthers today, not the movie that is still in theaters that has already made roughly one and a half billion dollars worldwide. Seriously, against a $210 million budget, as if Disney needed even more money. Good God. Pretty soon, the Americans will be living in the United States of Disney. Not talking about the large cats, it looks super cuddly, but could easily claw your face off right off your skull and then pop what's left of your skull like a grape and it's powerful bad kitty jaws. Talking about the black nationalist African-American revolutionary group that kicked off in 1966, the black panther political party that rose from the ashes of Malcolm X and stood as a fierce,

fighting example of black power during the civil rights turmoil of the 1960s. Talking about a very complicated, very polarizing group of freedom fighters and neighborhood protectors. Not an easy topic for a white dude to cover, especially when living in Idaho, but I'm just dumb enough to give it a go. May Nimrod have mercy on my soul. The black panthers have a complex history.

They fought for racial equality. They fought for a better future for Black children. They fought the police. They fought the FBI. They fought other revolutionary groups. They fought each other. They did a lot of fighting. And we're going to thoroughly suck their fight. There was at times incredibly inspirational. And at other times, at best, morally questionable. And almost always controversial today on TimeSuck. Happy Monday TimeSuckers working fucking weight! Happy Black History Month to my melatonin enhanced meat sacks, Hill Nimrod, Hill Lucifina, praise boat jangles and triple M. Thoughts go out to our Australia suckers devastated

by recent terrible catastrophic flooding. Red that over 20,000 homes may have been lost, just devastating. I hope all of you listeners over there are a okay. Time suckers brought to you again today by the BroM podcast. BroM is a show about how it's okay to be a dude, but all dudes should be better dudes. Each week on BroM, Joe and Ben pick a topic that they think dudes could use a little help with. And based on what I've heard so far, this is fantastic info. Not just for dudes, but for all meat sex.

How to enjoy art, how to talk to women, how to build wealth, how to navigate discussions of different types of relationships. The guys are gonna be talking about how your place is gross and how to fix it this week. Joe and Ben will share ideas on how to make your place less disgusting, practical tips like get white towels so you can bleach them. When you forget them in the washroom for two days

and then you don't have to spend the rest of your life smelling like mold and mildew. Joe asked me to share any cleaning tips I have, but I'm a filthy dirt back. And I should probably listen to this episode of Broome. A lot of great topics, honestly, discussed. So give it a shot, tune in each week for new topics, new discussions, and new ways to continue seeking enlightenment through deadlifts, a podcast, ran by time suckers and space lizards.

Broome it up. BROAM.com for more info, link in the episode description. You can push the button on the time stock web or app website. Why did you call it web website? It's called web, I don't know, something, you know what I'm talking about. Thanks to the space, there's monthly Patreon contributions that now allow us to give $1,600 this month to the Cancer Research Institute. Hail Nimrod!

The Cancer Research Institute is a 501c, three-non-profit organization dedicated to harnessing the human bodies immune systems, power to control, and potentially cure all types of cancer. They fund the most innovative clinical and laboratory research around the world, support the next generation of the field's leaders, service, and trust and source of information on immunotherapy for cancer patients and caregivers. Thanks to anyone, also who recently purchased our Valentine's Day theme time-soaked pins.

Check them out in the time-soaked shop-of-ice store. Don't have to be just for Valentine's, along with recent meat sack sweatshirts, so many other fun goodies. Thank you to Axis Apparel for creating so many fun goodies with us and thank you to Danger Brain for creating so many fun goodies. Thank you to Axis Apparel for creating so many fun goodies with it. And thank you to Danger Brain for creating so many fun designs. Recording this in advance of the Madison, Wisconsin shows, hope they were amazing. Hope

they went well. Bringing the happy murder tour to Philly this week, get to get to the punchline shows in Salt Lake City of Wise Guys next week down town. Some shows already sold out. He'll never out for that. And then the star dome and Birmingham punchline and Atlanta, that show is now sold out. Contact the venue about trying to add a second show. Don't know if that'll happen. Zanies and Nashville stand up live in Huntsville, Alabama. Check out Dancomas.tv for a full year of fun shows. More lives, time sucks coming up in Cleveland, Nashville, Sp San Francisco Orlando Phoenix Denver Grand Rapids into coma Time right now for the black panthers To understand the black panthers of the 1960s to understand why this organization was ever thought up or formed in the first place

You have to understand what life was like for many black Americans in America in the 1960s as best as you, the best you can, particularly those living in urban areas. This is one of those sucks where context real important, like super duper important. Before I head down the road of today's suck, just know that I love my black meat sacks, my white meat sacks, and my law enforcement meat sacks. All of you are probably going to hit that note several times today. You know, this is just a, you'll see as we go through this episode, why I say this now,

but it is just, it's a polarizing topic for a variety of reasons. It's just, it's very complex. Obviously, as a white man, I can't personally speak to what it is like to live as a black American in this or in any era, not going to try to do so. Although, according to my 23 and me results, I am in fact 0.3% student ace, 0.1% sub-Saharan African, not kidding about, kidding about acting like that gives me any, any right to talk about anything, not kidding about the results. But yes, obviously my results do not enlighten me in any way whatsoever to the historical struggle and plight of many black Americans. Before I dive into the media's episode, just know that I, uh, I do realize I'm white as

fuck. Uh, I know I can't personally relate to widespread racial discrimination on any level. Just found the story fascinating, wanted to suck it, follow where the truth and logic took me. Uh, meat sacks of all color, including myself, all rationally critically thinking empathetic level, just found the story fascinating, wanted to suck it, follow where the truth and logic took me. Meat sacks of all color, including myself, all rationally critically thinking empathetic meat sacks. Can I hope at least understand what it's like to struggle?

Hope we all at least recognize that others are struggling and can empathize with them to some degree. We're all part of the same human experience. Another important disclaimer before I go further, I am very racist. I just want you to keep that in mind when it comes to Polish people. Many of you know that I have some extreme prejudice and that's not widely accepted, you know, my views. So I just want you to know that I'm not ready to accept the Polish people as full fledged humans quite yet and that's my right. And I'm done with that tired joke now for this episode. I just can't seem to stay away from it.

Just keeps popping up my head. No, real disclaimer now. When it comes to issues that involve race, just like politics, religion, gender, et cetera, things have a tendency to leave the arena of logic and enter the realm of emotion real quick, sensitive shit. And that is why I'm gonna throw out some numbers to kick off the show, a little bit of math.

Numbers that make the case that life on average was unquestionably way fucking harder for black Americans than it was overall for white Americans in the 1960s as it still is overall today. And that's not my opinion. That's a statistical fact. It's been documented by numerous comprehensive nonpartisan studies time after time after time. And if you're thinking, well, I'm not black, life isn't easy for me.

I'm struggling. I worry about rent every month. I know plenty of black people weigh better off than my poor white ass, make more money than me, make more money than my family ever has. I struggle far more in every meaningful way than the people I know are struggling. What the fuck, dude?

I get it. Your feelings are valid. Your struggle is real, your hardships are very real. Hell yes, they are not denying that one bit, but this suck isn't about pairing one individual life for the lives of one particular neighborhood or community to another isolated life or another isolated community or neighborhood.

It's about cultural trends. It's about trends, you know, overall tendencies for the nation itself, on average, members of every race, but African American doing better than members of African descent in the United States because statistically when it comes to average education level, average income, average incarceration rate, no one has had a rougher go of it than black Americans. There are roughly a metric, shit ton of stats that back to claim up.

These aren't liberal agenda numbers taken from, you know, some nonsense place from a more socially conservative listeners. This isn't from the liberal media quote unquote, you know, take the breath, grab a stress ball, fuck squeeze it. The numbers I'll be relaying you or to you today are not gathered from white guilt.s snowflake. They haven't been taken from social justice warrior.crimeyfuckinriver. They're taken from either the US Bureau of Labor, the US Census Bureau, or the US Bureau of Justice. And if you think that those organizations are conspiratorially motivated in favor of the plight of black Americans, wow, he's fucking unilogical part.

He might as well turn this off now, because there's quite literally nothing I can say to make any of this appealing to you. For those of you still listening, hopefully everyone, here are some numbers. According to the US Census Bureau, the average household income for a white household in 2017 was $65,273. Average household income, 2017, for a white family. The average household income for a black household, 40,258. That means that white households made just as recently

as 2017, on average, over 62% more than black households. Hope you appreciate those numbers. My dumbass had to relearn how to use Microsoft Excel to gather those. Why? US Census Bureau, why? Put it in a fucking PDF PDF like every other place would do um, anyway, US Bureau of Labor Statistics taken between 2014 2016 showed that the average

household income for black Americans was lower than any other ethnic group, lower than white American Indian, Hispanic, multi-race, specific islander, and Asian. back in 1967, the earliest year that the US Census Bureau data exists for US household income by race. This is just two years after the panthers were formed. No, one year after actually, the disparity was even greater. And we'll get into the time stock timeline for the panthers here soon. But yeah, back in 1967, the median household income for whites, $44,700 compared to $24,700 for blacks.

White people may just under 81% more money than black people on average. That's, that's, that's, that's crazy. Uh, that's some serious disparity. No consolation to you if you're some poorest fuck white person, live in 1967, but clearly overall black Americans not doing nearly as well as white americans and racist discriminatory uh... practices you know culturally politically play a large role in that difference how could they not according to the two thousand fifteen u.s. census statistics

uh... around twenty thirty six percent of white americans have at least a bachelor's degree compared to roughly twenty% of black Americans almost 64% more common for white people on average to have a bachelor's degree than black people as recent as 2015. The gap was even wider back in 1965. This is right around when the black Panther Party was formed a year before. Around around fifty one percent of white americans had graduated high school compared to only twenty seven percent of black americans whites on average were almost eighty nine percent more likely

to have a four-year college degree than black americans damn near ninety percent more likely uh... to hold a college degree discrimination for sure plan large role here generations of discrimination following centuries of actual literal enslavement now let's talk about incarceration. According to 2016 Bureau of Justice Prison Statistics, black Americans made up 12% of the total US population, but made up 33% of the total US incarcerated population currently serving

prison sentences. And I only add that little caveat because that differentiates these numbers as people having sentences as opposed to people who just might be being held for like an upcoming trial or something. White Americans made up 64% of the total population, made up 30% of the prisoner population. In 2016, black Americans were incarcerated at over five times the rate of white Americans. That's an alarming disparity. That one was actually not worse in the 1960s. It was just as bad. In 1960, blacks were also incarcerated five times as often as

whites. So why the 1960s? Why did the black panthers form in this decade? Well, because this baddest thing still were things were getting better due to the civil rights movement. And there was supposed to be getting a lot better. It was now safer to be visibly and publicly furious about racial mistreatment. Thanks to new counterculture, the new counterculture movement that it was like a decade before. Now that was finally a little safer to show your anger, centuries of pent up rage, reporring out of many African Americans, we've talked about the counterculture movement to the 1960s in previous sucks, such as the suck of Charles Manson, Jim Jones,

children of God sucks amongst others. The American youth of all races were questioning authority very differently than their parents or grandparents had. There was just a growing distrust of the government, partly to do with the growing Vietnam conflict, partly to do with the JFK assassination, an inspiring leader of many young Americans in the early sixties was JFK and then assassinated 1963 and many believed the government had a hand

in it. I still kind of believe that today. Citizens were questioning the government at levels, not seen since the build up to the Civil War. Many white youths were strongly opposed to the racial segregation of their parents and grandparents generations or grandparents. They were embarrassed by it. They also opposed to growing conflict and Vietnam. Young black Americans particularly disillusioned in the 1960s. They just seen their fathers and grandfathers fight in World War II in the Korean War. Just as honorably as white soldiers then come back to a segregated country that did not

honor them the same as they honored white soldiers. Made them use different bathrooms, sleep in different hotels, shop in different stores, go to different schools. They were still being drafted into the military to fight honorably for a country that they didn't feel was treating them honorably and wasn't. For a more comprehensive look into racial segregation by the way you can revisit the Ku Klux Klan suck or the Martin Luther King Jr. suck. I sure you would exist. The Civil Rights Act was passed in 1960,

a federal law that established inspection of local voter registration polls and introduced penalties for anyone who obstructed someone's attempt to register to vote. And then the Civil Rights Act of 1964 was passed, which ended segregation in public spaces and banned employment discrimination on the basis of races, on the basis of race, excuse me, color, religion, sex, or nationality.

Years of fighting and marches and protests and spilled blood and beatings and deaths led to the passage of this legislation, and things were now supposed to be better except they really weren't. Life for the average black American did not actually get that much better after this legislation was passed, not immediately anyway. And there was a feeling of betrayal, of great betrayal. Why had so many sacrifice to pass this new legislation to end racial discrimination only to see new laws not being enforced in many places, or people finding loopholes to get around

these laws and still be very discriminatory? Imagine running the longest race of your life. Like, you don't think you can finish. Your body is starting to revolve, your muscles are cramping up, you're feeling dizzy, your lungs are burning for miles. You got blisters on your feet that are starting to bleed,

your knees aching a little more with every step, but then way out in the distance, you see that finish line. The thought across in that finish line is the only thing that's keeping you running, right, the only thing psychologically motivating you, it's okay, I just got to get there I just got to get there and then this is over and then I accomplished it. I finished this race

And then with the last year's strength you crossed that line you collapse and victory you fucking you did it It took everything but you made it now imagine as you later your lungs are on fire your lips are cracked from miles of hard breathing Imagine some asshole standing over you say what the fuck are you doing? It's right, isn't over. That's right, it will never be fucking over. You run all you want. You will never finish. You will never win. I imagine that is roughly how the 1960s felt on some level to many black Americans. They won and then they asked us to see what was behind door number three and it turned out to be someone holding a big sign that just said more of the fucking same. door number three and it turned out to be someone holding a big sign that just said more of the fucking same. I mean, imagine anybody, imagine the feelings of rage you would have.

How dare you? Black Americans continue to suffer widespread discrimination, economic, social inequality after the passage of that legislation. Many black Americans have been moving to the cities of the north and the west for jobs, moving to downtown areas in the 40s and 50s, this great migration, only to find those jobs then relocate to the suburbs. Many black populations ended up getting concentrated in poor urban neighborhoods called ghettos, full of rampant unemployment, substantial substandard housing, widespread social problems, such as drug use and crime.

Black American South themselves continuing to be excluded from political representation, universities, all sorts of employment areas, social straddles, such as the middle class. And I know you can point to examples of black Americans who did grow up in the ghettos this time when to college became doctors, lawyers, to count sciences, professors, and more who made good living and pulled themselves up

by their bootstraps, so to speak, those examples are real. But I feel like you also have to admit, it's a lot harder to pull yourself up by their bootstraps. So to speak, those examples are real. But I feel like you also have to admit, it's a lot harder to pull yourself up by your bootstraps. If it feels like almost everyone in the country is stomping on your fucking boots all the time. I've experienced racism as a white man in small ways, here and there throughout my life. I've personally not been considered

for various comedy festivals, mostly when I was younger and comedy in the past, because they would just tell me straight up, some version of the quote, we already have enough white guys. I have had that said to me, you know, I've had TV concepts, I wanted to pitch, get rejected before you even get looked at, because the network was looking for quote, more diversity in programming, which is code for anything, but more straight white dudes. I mean, that is a form of racial discrimination and epist me on every time it happened, but

there was always another job waiting for me. If I wanted to work hard, no for it. What if I never experienced, you know, anyone considering me for a job because of my skin color? What if there was any other doors being opened? You know, I haven't experienced ever an entire community, an entire nation taking a look at me and just being, ah, nope. Next, go on, get out of here. Never lived in constant fear of incarceration because racist police officers patrol my neighborhood hoping to beat me or beat someone who looked like me

with a club. And I only bring all this up to illustrate that life was indeed harder for black Americans than white Americans in the 1960s. And that is why the black panthers formed. Right, they formed it. They were, they watched Martin Luther King, you know, many people have been trying more peaceful protests. That wasn't going well all the time. And some people were sick of trying to go that route.

And we're like, no, man, let's, let's give fucking Matt. Let's get angry. And let's, uh, let's take what's ours, you know, type of attitude. And then before the plan, the panthers come along, uh, Malcolm X came along. Malcolm then before the plan, the, the panthers come along, Malcolm X came along. Malcolm X paved the way for the panthers. Without Malcolm X, there would be no black panthers. The panthers heavily influenced by the teachings of Malcolm X, a man who will be a subject of a future suck on positive. Malcolm X born as Malcolm little was a preacher's son.

His father was also an early black nationalist named Marcus Garvey, who died after being hit by a street car, quite possibly murdered by white supremacists strongly opposed to his pro-black messages. His death left Malcolm's family with little income. Such a little income that Malcolm's mother cooked dandelion greens. She'd picked on the street to feed her kids at one point. That's when you know you're super poor. Like, I'll joke about grown up poor and eat a lot of hamburger helper small town Idaho But someone someone like Malcolm would say you got you got to eat meat. You weren't fucking poor You ain't meat eating burger Dandelion broth made from dandelions picked from cracks in the sidewalk. That's poor

Malcolm's mother was then committed to an insane asylum when he was 14 I imagine it's hard to not lose your goddamn mind when you're making your kids' denier line broth. Malcolm ended up getting raised the last few years of his childhood in foster homes by other family members after serving a seven year prison stint for robbery he committed at age 21. He became a prominent black nationalist leader and minister for the nation of Islam. And Malcolm X came to be known nationally initially because of an incident of police brutality

in New York City. Police brutality more than any other single issue would lead to the formation of the black panthers on April 26, 1957. Hinton Johnson, a member of the nation of Islam and two other passerby also nation of Islam members witness police officers beating a young black man with a night with their night sticks. When Johnson shouted, you're not an Alabama. This is New York and tried to help the man. One of the officers turned on him and beat the shit out of him with his club beating within

an inch of his life. Johnson suffered brain contusions and subdural hemorrhaging and then after the beating all four black men were arrested. Someone who witnessed the event found and told Malcolm X and he and a small group of black Muslims went to the police station and demanded to see Johnson. Police initially lied, told him that Johnson wasn't even being held there, but then when a crowd of other African Americans hearing about the event, hearing about the beating, excuse me, not event beating and gathering outside the station, grew to about 500 people. The police officers did allow Malcolm X to speak with

Johnson. Once Malcolm X saw what had been done to Johnson, he insisted on an ambulance, taking him to Harlem hospital. Johnson was taken to the hospital. His injuries were treated and by the time he was returned to the police station, roughly 4,000 people were now gathered outside the station. An angry mob had formed authorities were getting nervous. Shit was tense. Inside the station, Malcolm X and attorney made bail arrangements for two of the Muslims. Johnson was not bailed, but police did say he could go back to the hospital and tell his roommate the following day.

Malcolm X had won the war, but he'd won a battle with officers following day. Malcolm X, he had, he had won the war, but he won a battle with officers that day. And so he stepped outside the station house. He motioned for the crowd to be quiet. Once they were quiet, he farted one time, just one time, loudly, powerfully, politically, triumphantly. It was the signal the crowd had been waiting for and they stormed the station in the end. 50 riders, 35 police officers died and additional 65 officers, 172 riders were wounded, four structures, including the precinct burned to the ground in the clash that followed that faithful fart. The riot, that riot is the origin of the term Bronx cheer. That's right, the Bronx cheer can be traced back to Malcolm X in 1957. It's also known as the fart heard around the world. That's not true. Malcolm X farted. I's also known as the fart, heard round the world. And that's not true.

Malcolm X farted, I just, this shit's so heavy, I got to lighten it up from time to time. If Malcolm X farted that day, no one wrote about it. He didn't say anything, and it's not relevant to the story. What really happened? He did come outside, he gave a hand signal to the crowd and the crowd dispersed. They knew what the hand signal was. One police officer would later say, no one man should have that much power. Within a month, I'm guessing he said some other things that weren't quoted in the text. Within a month, the New York City Police Department arranged to keep Malcolm X under surveillance tensions between the police and the black community in New York and around the country.

We're growing. It was issues like this to push Malcolm X to hate not only police officers, but basically why people in general. He started pushing in agenda via the nation of Islam that white people were, quote, devils that blacks were superior to whites and that the demise of the white race was imminent. He was critical of the civil rights movement, even labeling Dr. King Jr. a chump. And he called Dr. King's 1963 march on Washington, the farce on Washington. Now, do I like this element of his messages?

Fuck, no, of course I don't. I don't like racism in any form. I don't like it when it's white against black and I don't like it when it's black on white. But while I don't condone Malcolm X's racist rhetoric, I do have more sympathy for him than I do uh... you know for some like k k k leader for example because i feel people like well it's not okay for them to say why is it okay not okay and for either person to say that i don't think

but uh... when you're the victim of consistent racial abuse and then you internal like well fuck those people i have more sympathy for you then when you are on the team or on the side of consistent perpetration of racial abuse. Malcolm's rage came from being a member of a race that truly was continually oppressed and victimized by the race that was in political and cultural power in the nation he was born

and raised in. I mean, you know, he's different associations, the death of his father, you know, witnessing all these beatings. It makes more sense to me, I guess is what I'm saying. Doesn't make it more right at the end of the day, but it makes it to me more understandable. It was the same rage that also would create the black panthers. It was the issue of police brutality, again, that led to their creation. And law enforcement times are, because you know that I love you.

You know, I think the overwhelming majority of you are great goddamn citizens. You know that I how much respect I have for you for putting your lives on the line to keep the public safe day out today out today. And I'm guessing you also know that some of your co-workers or at least some of your professional predecessors either are or in past times were sadistic racist fucks like some people crave a position of authority to serve and protect others abuse it right? That's just I feel like that is just I would like to think common sense the world has always had those meat sacks always will and Malcolm X and the black panthers after him weren't just talking out of their asses when they complained about police brutality and that wasn't

a call back to my silly fart joke either. Hard to find stats specifically on instance of police brutality in the 1950s, 1960s that can pair police violence towards blacks against violence of any other race, including whites, but I did find some interesting info that at least illustrates pervasive culture of prejudice that no jobsector, including law enforcement, would be immune to. In 1929, the Illinois Association for Criminal Justice published the Illinois Crime Survey, conducted between 1927 and 1928. The survey sought to analyze causes of high crime rates at Chicago and Cook County, especially among criminals associated with Al Capone. But the survey also provided some unexpected data. Although African Americans made up just 5% of the area's population at the time. They constituted 30% of the victims of police killings. You don't get a number like

that without a lot of racism. I mean, clearly many of the police that time were far more likely to kill you if you're black than if you're white. Using 2015 data, racial minorities made up about 37.4% of the general population in the US and 46.6% of armed and unarmed killings by police. They made up 62.7% of unarmed people killed by police. Wow. Analysis of FBI data found that black people accounted for 31% of police killing victims in 2012, even though they make up just 13% of the US population, although the data is incomplete because it's based on voluntary reports from police agencies around the country. It highlights the vast disparities in how some police were still using force as recently as 2012.

A 2011 to 2014 study by a university of California Davis professor found, quote, evidence of a significant bias in the killing of unarmed black Americans relative to unarmed white Americans, in that the probability of being black, unarmed and shot by police is roughly 3.49. So three and a half times the probability of being white, unarmed and shot by police on average. I mean, again, that's a huge difference. That's not like a slight statistical anomaly. Three and a half times more likely. 2010 New York governor's task for a study examining police on police shootings

found even black and Latino police officers face a greater risk of being killed by other police. In cases of mistaken identity, nine out of 10 of off-duty police officers killed by other officers in the US.S. since 1982 have either been black or Latino. Nine out of 10. Again, clearly, when, when, when, when white people say, don't shoot, they're, they're far more likely to be listened to than black people. 2013, 2014, Stanford study, police practices in Oakland, California, where the black panthers would really get going as a movement

found that officers were disproportionately handcuffing blacks. 2,890 African Americans were handcuffed, but not arrested in a 13 month period compared to only 193 white people. When Oakland officers pulled over a vehicle, but didn't arrest anyone, 72 white people were handcuffed compared to nearly 1,500 African Americans. I mean, that's an astronomical disparity. And if racial profiling is still occurring now, which the stats consistently show,

is happening, got it, safe to assume the shit was way worse in the 1950s and 60s. So much worse in the days before social media, YouTube and everyone having a video camera on their phone, phone kept everybody a little more honest. Martin Luther King, Jr., you know, wasn't leading marches and leading sit-ins because everything was fine and dandy. Malcolm X wasn't talking about White Devils because of the consistent love and respect

coming his way from white people. And then in 1965, the year before our timeline was founded, or we'll begin two major incidents led to the formation of the Black Panther Party. One was the assassination of Malcolm X in February of 1965, and the other was the Watts riots in August of that year. On the evening of Wednesday, August 11, 1965, 21-year-old Marquette Fry, an African-American man driving his mother's 1955 Buick, pulled over by California Highway Patrol motorcycle offer, Officer Lee Minicus, for alleged reckless driving in the Watts neighborhood

of Los Angeles. After administering a field sobriety test, uh, Minicus or Minicus, that whatever, uh, placed fry under arrest radioed for his vehicle to be impounded. Mark Hetz brother Ronald passing her in the vehicle, walked in nearby house, bringing their mother, Reena Price back with him to the scene of the arrest. When Reena Price arrived on the scene, she scolded Fry about drinking and driving as he recalled years later in a 9.75 interview with your Lando Sentinel. And then the situation escalated quickly.

Somebody shoved Fry's, Fry was struck, Fry jumped an officer and another officer pulled out a shotgun and shit got crazy. Back up police officers attempted to arrest Fry by using physical force to subdue him. After community members reported that police had roughed up fry and kicked a pregnant woman, angry mobs quickly formed. As the situation intensified, growing crowds of local residents watching the exchange

began yelling and throwing objects to the police officers. They had enough and a riot broke out. Police came to the scene to break up the crowd several times at night, but were attacked when people threw rocks and chunks of concrete at them. A 46 square mile swath of Los Angeles was transformed into an active combat zone for six days. Nearly 4,000 members of the California National Guard would end up getting called in to suppress riding that resulted in 34 deaths, 272 buildings being damaged or burned, 192 businesses at homes looted,

267 businesses completely destroyed. Overall, $40 million worth of damage occurred, which would be $320 million in 2018. And while the rights ended, the feelings of rage consuming many black Americans did not. Black youth are hearing Malcolm X or we're hearing before he was assassinated, tell them that if white American won't leave them alone, they'll just have to burn the nation to

the fucking ground and rebuild it. Malcolm X adamantly believed in bearing arms. He wasn't down with Dr. King's, let's hold hands and pray about this shit. He wanted a revolution. Now, April 3rd, 1964, he'd actually given a speech in which he encouraged African Americans to use their right to vote and threatened the government with an armed response if African Americans did not receive full voting equality. In the speech, he stated it's either the ballot or the bullet. And that was one of the slogans that would later be adopted by the black panthers. In his message to grassroots speech delivered in 1963, Malcolm X explained

that armed self-defense among African Americans was not only necessary, but also morally justifiable, citing the American Revolution, the French Revolution, Russian Revolution. He claimed all involved huge losses of life and outline a belief that a revolution that does not involve bloodshed is impossible. He said, look at the American Revolution in 1776, that revolution was for what? For land. Why did they want land? Independence. How

was it carried out? Bloodshed. The French Revolution. What was it based on? The landless against the landlord. What was it for? Land. How did they get it? Bloodshed. Was no love lost? Was no compromise? Was no negotiation? The rough, the Russian revolution. What was it based on? Land, the landless against the landlord. How did they bring it about? Bloodshed. You haven't got a revolution that doesn't involve bloodshed. As long as the white man sent you to Korea, you bled. He sent you to Germany, you bled. He sent you to the South Pacific to fight the Japanese, you bled. But when it comes to senior own churches being bombed and little black girls murdered, you haven't got any blood. How are you going to be non-violent and

Mississippi as violent as you were in Korea? If it is wrong to be violent defending black women and black children and black babies and black men, then it is wrong for America to draft us and make us violent abroad in defense of her. And if it is right for America to draft us and teach us how to be violent in defense of her, then it is right for you and me to do whatever is necessary to defend our own people right here in this country. That's powerful shit. A lot of military references in that talk, you know, opposition to the growing conflict in Vietnam also was leading to the formation of the black panthers. Even before the US ever really escalated the Vietnam conflict, young American men were being drafted between 1954 and 1964 peacetime drafts from the end of the Korean war until the main escalation Vietnam, the peacetime drafts inducted more than 1.4 million American

men on average of more than 120,000 per year. Many Panther leaders would practice, would preach a message of, why should we fight and die for a nation that doesn't fight for us? All right, a nation is police, profile, beat and kill us. The nation that forces many of us to live in ghettos, where jobs are scarce, where the schools,

our children go to are broken down and dangerous, where we can't make enough money to properly feed our children, where our children in addition are not having proper nutritional and educational access, also don't have the proper access to hope for a better life. Now that the context has been laid down and backed up with some numbers, numbers never gathered

from Wacadoodle. This will trick Widey. Now let us jump into the panthers with today's time. So timeline after, after a word from another sponsor of today. Time. So it's brought to you once again by the A wholehole Air Banjo, the A-hole Air Banjo Academy, the A-hole Air Banjo Academy's latest course, Banjo Power, plucking it to the man. You can sign up today.

You don't always have to grab the air guitar when you're laying down some bomb tracks to fuel a revolution. Rage against the machine, actually perfect for Air Banjo. Banning, tank, tank, tank, tank, tank, tank, tank, tank, tank, tank, tank, tank, tank, tank, tank, tank, tank, tank, tank, tank, tank, tank, tank, tank, tank, tank, tank, tank, tank, tank, tank, tank, tank, tank, tank, tank, tank, tank, tank, tank, tank, tank, tank, tank, tank, tank, tank, tank, tank, tank, tank, tank, tank, tank, tank, tank, tank, tank, tank, tank, tank, tank, tank, tank, tank, tank, tank, tank, tank, tank, tank, tank, tank, tank, tank, tank, tank, tank, tank, tank, tank, tank, tank, tank, tank, tank, tank, tank, tank, tank, tank, tank, tank, tank, tank, tank, tank, tank, tank, tank, tank, tank, tank, tank, tank, tank, tank, tank, tank, tank, tank, tank, tank, tank, tank, tank, tank, tank, tank, tank, tank, tank, tank, tank, tank, tank, tank, tank, tank, tank, tank, tank, tank, tank, tank, tank, tank, tank, tank, tank, tank, tank, tank, tank, tank, tank, tank, tank, tank, tank, tank, tank, tank, tank, tank, tank, tank, tank, tank, tank, tank, tank, tank, tank, tank, tank, tank, tank, tank, tank, tank, tank, tank, tank, tank, tank, tank, tank, tank, tank, tank, tank, tank, tank, tank, tank, tank, tank, tank, tank, tank, tank, tank, tank, tank, tank, tank, tank, tank, tank, tank, tank, tank, tank, tank, tank, tank, tank, tank Da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da take no shit from anyone. It's perfect. Bang-tang. Bang-tang. Bang-tang. You want to overdo it? Bang-tang. You who want? Bang-tang.

Bang-tang. Bang-tang. Bang-tang. Bang-tang. Bang-tang. Bang-tang. Bang-tang. Bang-tang.

Bang-tang. Bang-tang. Bang-tang. Bang-tang. Bang-tang. Bang-tang. Bang-tang. Bang-tang. Bang-tang. Bang-tang. Bang-tang. Bang-tang. Bang-tang. Bang-tang. Bang-tang. Bang-tang. Bang-tang. Bang-tang. Bang-tang. Bang-tang. Bang-tang. Bang-tang. Bang-tang. Bang-tang. Bang-tang. Bang-tang. Bang-tang. Bang-tang. Bang-tang. Bang-tang. Bang-tang. Bang-tang. Bang-tang. Bang-tang. Bang-tang. Bang-tang. Bang-tang. Bang-tang. Bang-tang. Bang-tang. Bang-tang. Bang-tang. Bang-tang. Bang-tang. Bang-tang. Bang-tang. Bang- BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG We have to break out here then. Oh, am I ever going to tie it up for Air Banjo? I hope not. I hope not. A times like it is actually brought to you today by Lisa. Maybe people would have been nicer to each other back in the 50s and 60s if all meat sacks were sleeping better. People get grouchy when they don't get enough sleep.

I do. Now the only reason I don't get good sleep is because sometimes I don't go to sleep when I should. When I do go to sleep, when I actually get in the bed, I get great sleep because I'm on a Lisa mattress. A quality night's sleep helps you recover from distractions faster, prevents burnout, make better decisions, improve your memory, make fewer mistakes. It's not marketing, it's science.

More sleep also helps you be less of a dick. That's not marketing or science, it's just my opinion, but I do believe it to be true. So don't be a dick, sleep on Alisa. That could be a slogan if Lisa execs want to use it. I'll just, I'll sign away, I'll sign away my rights right now. I'll score it with the Air Banjo. If anybody from Lisa wants to have that in the background, bank bank bank bank bank bank bank bank bank bank bank bank bank bank bank bank bank bank bank bank bank bank bank bank bank bank bank bank bank bank bank bank bank bank bank bank bank bank bank bank bank bank bank bank bank bank bank bank bank bank bank bank bank bank bank bank bank bank bank bank bank bank bank bank bank bank bank bank bank bank bank bank bank bank bank bank bank bank bank bank bank bank bank bank bank bank bank bank bank bank bank bank bank bank bank bank bank bank bank bank bank bank bank bank bank bank bank bank bank bank bank bank bank bank bank bank bank bank bank bank bank bank bank bank bank bank bank bank bank bank bank bank bank bank bank bank bank bank bank bank bank bank bank bank bank bank bank bank bank bank bank bank bank bank bank bank bank bank bank bank bank bank bank bank bank bank bank bank bank bank bank bank b for free. I'm just throwing that out there. Lisa builds a great mattress. They're a great company through their 110 program. They donate one mattress for every 10. They sell that's more than 32,000 mattresses donated now through over 1000 nonprofits and counting. And the all foam Lisa mattress is new and improved featuring cooling LSA 200 foam for enhanced pressure relief for side sleepers. Just yesterday I was snuggled up on my Lisa with my wife Lindsey, Queen of Suck and gingerbell and 14 LSA 200 foam for enhanced pressure relief for side sleepers.

Just yesterday I was snuggled up on my Lisa with my wife Lindsey, Queen of Suck, and Ginger Bell and Penny Pooper, and I have to say the dogs, they do seem to love it. They refuse to move off the bed. It's the only time I've ever heard either one of those little furry assholes grow up with me. And I get it, you know, they don't want to get kicked off of Lisa. And I don't get up to do anything about it because I'm also very comfortable and cozy and I don't want to move them too snugged I don't get up to do anything about it because I'm also very comfortable and cozy and I don't want to move too snugged up.

So don't miss getting snugged up. Get some snug. Don't miss Lisa's president's day sale. This is a new kick ass Lisa deal. Get 15% off any mattress for a limited time at Lisa.com slash time suck when you use the promo code time suck. That's L E E S A dot com slash time suck promo code time suck link in the episode description lease a button in the time suck app black panther timeline right now.

Shrap on those boots soldier. We're marching down a time suck timeline. On October 22nd, 1966, Oakland Community Organizer Bobby Seal, an ex-con turned lost student, Huey Newton, formed the Black Panther Party for self-defense, a revolutionary political organization on Seals 30th birthday. Huey Newton was only 24. Originally, there were just six members. There was Albert Bigman Howard, Huey Newton, the defense minister, Sherman Forte, Bobby Seale, the chairman, Reggie Forte, and little Bobby Hutton, the treasurer. The concept of a black pantser party didn't

originate in Oakland. It's just where it took hold. A group similar in mission statement, but different name that just barely proceeded to the panthers was the SNCC, student nonviolent coordinating committee that formed in Lowns County, Alabama, in early 1966. Hopefully, I'm saying Lowns. Correct. That's a word I don't feel super confident about. The early organization actually called the Black Panther Party started in April of 1966,

the New York Black Panther Party, but it was almost immediately infiltrated and placed under law enforcement surveillance and dissolves completely within a year. Actually, many Panther organizations formed around the country in 1966, but none really thrived like the Oakland chapter. Huey Newton was born in Monroe, Louisiana, and he, again, the co-founder, born to an impoverished family, a sharecropper, his family moved to Oakland in 1945

when he was just three years old. As a teenager, he was arrested several times for criminal offenses, including gun possession, vandalism, and age 14. Growing up at Oakland, Newton said that he was made to feel ashamed of being black. Years later in his autobiography, revolutionary suicide, he wrote, during those long years in Oakland public schools, I did not have one teacher who taught me anything relevant to my own life or experience. Now, one instructor ever awoken me, it desired to learn more or to question or to explore the worlds of literature, science and history.

All they did was try to rob me of the sense of my own uniqueness and worth and in that process nearly killed my urge to inquire, if only Huey had the courage to turn to. Hang on, man. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Ah, I got fired up for second there. Huey graduate from Oakland Technical High School, 1959 despite not knowing how to read. Sound like that high school was even easier than Sam and River High School. The place I graduated from in Riggins, Idaho I would not be surprised if a few of my former classmates also graduated not knowing how to read.

Despite being literate, Newton was no dummy. He taught himself how to read before attending merit college in Oakland and then got into the San Francisco School of Law where he met Bobby Seal. Years after the dissolution of the Panthers in 1980, he received a PhD in social philosophy from the University of California at Santa Cruz. His dissertation was titled War Against the Panthers, a study of repression in America. The other co-founder, Robert Bobby Seal, was born in Liberty, Texas, son of a carpenter and a homemaker. When he was eight, his family moved to Oakland.

Seale went to Berkeley High School, dropped out, joined the US Air Force. He was dishonorably discharged a few years later for fighting with the commanding officer. Faised he dude, after leaving leaving the Air Force, he worked as a sheet metal mechanic for various aerospace plans while studying for his high school diploma at night. Another guy who's no dummy, he'd later say, I work in every major aircraft plant and aircraft corporation, even those with government contracts. I was a top flight sheet metal mechanic.

After earning his high school diploma, Seal attended Merit Community College where he studied engineering and politics until 1962. In 1962, he first heard Malcolm X speak. He was inspired, so inspired, he joined the Afro-American Association AAA, a group on the campus devoted to advocating black separatism and lost interest in engineering. Through the AAA group Seal Met Huey Newton. Every time I say Huey's name, by the way, I immediately think of Huey Lewis in the news. It's just every single time I say Huey's right away in my head, just I want a new

row. Want to warm him sick? Bam, bam, bam, want to warm him across my car. I'm in the field three feet thick. Huey Lewis. Anyway, June of 1966, Seal began working at the North Oakland neighborhood anti-poverty center in their summer youth program teaching black American history and an ethic of responsibility toward other black people living in your black community. He and Newton met Bobby Hutton, one of the original six, and Seal would describe the panthers as an organization that represents black people and many white radicals relate to this and understand that the black Panther party is a righteous revolutionary front against this racist, decadent, capitalistic system. In addition to being influenced by the teachings of Malcolm X,

who had once declared himself a communist and a letter to President Truman, opposing US involvement in the Korean War, the black panther also heavily influenced by communist and socialist teachings. The FBI would declare that becoming communist organization. Like Malcolm X, the panthers were influenced by the philosophies of Fidel Castro, Karl Marx, communist and socialist teachings. The FBI would declare that becoming a communist organization. Like Malcolm X, the panthers were influenced by the philosophies of Fidel Castro, Karl Marx, and others. They believed in a link between racism

and the capitalist system. Hewie Newton, and fucking every single time, hewie Lewis, I'm on hoot-roo, hewie Newton. In particular, identified as a Marxist Lenist, a Leninist, Lenin being, of course, the Russian revolutionary who served as the head of Soviet Russia from 1917 to 1924, who was heavily influenced by Putin, Jiu-Jiu.

Putin, you're lunchboxed, Shirley! Get out, you did it, Pudy! Learn about all that in the stall and stock, if you're confused. Despite sharing similarities with other African-American cultural nationalists organizations, such as the Universal Negro Improvement Association and Malcolm X's Nation of Islam, to which the Panthers were commonly compared, the Panthers immediately sought to set themselves apart from these other groups.

Although all of these Black Center groups shared certain philosophical positions and tactical features, the Black Panther party differed on a number of basic points. For example, whereas African American cultural nationalists generally regarded all white people as oppressors, the whole white double talk of Malcolm X, initially at least the black Panther Party distinguished between racist and non-racist whites and allied themselves with progressive members of the latter group. You watch videos of old black Panther demonstrations, early ones, and you typically see a fair amount of white supporters.

And whereas other black nationalists generally viewed all African-Americans as oppressed, the black panther party believed that black capitalists and black elites could and typically did exploit and oppress other black people, especially the working class. The black pantheres were also more militant than other black nationalist groups. Look at pictures and they're often dressed up like soldiers and a revolution armed soldiers to really understand what the pandas were about. You have to get familiar with their 10 point program, which was a mission statement written by Huey Newton shortly before the group even officially formed on October 15th, 1966. Number one, we want freedom.

We want power to determine the destiny of our black community. We believe that black people will not be free until we are able to determine the destiny of our black community. We believe that black people will not be free until we are able to determine our destiny. Number two, we want full employment for our people. We believe that the federal government is responsible and obligated to give every man, employment, or a guaranteed income. We believe that if the white American businessman will not give full employment, then the means of production should be taken from the businessman and placed in the community. So the people of the community can organize and employ all of its people and give a high standard of living.

I do understand the desire to have more equality here. Of course, but man, not to communism. It's amazing how people were really in the communism back then. It was just different era. I mean, communism was new and exciting to numerous young liberals in the 1960s. Those who have survived until today though, I'm guessing the overwhelming majority have a very different opinion of communism now. Capitalism has its yields for sure, but it's proven to provide a far better quality of life

than communism. Look at the human rights violation of North Korea, communist Russia, Cuba, China, etc. Innovative entrepreneurial capitalism fuels new technology, increases our standard living. You don't see North Korea kicking out the latest greatest computers, automobiles, medical technology, et cetera. Now, and I don't have time in this stuff to go into great detail about the differences between communism and capitalism here, to properly illustrate how much better capitalism is, but

communism, time and time again, failed to improve the human condition. Fuck communism. But Jangle's grouse every time he hears that word. If this country ever shifts towards actual communism, I shit you not. I will leave. I will bounce out to any capitalist nation that will take me. I don't mind some socialism. We do have that now already. It's called Medicaid or Social Security, but communism.

No. I do understand that when it seems like you and your family and friends never get to be the factory owners like ever, then fuck yeah, let's take it. I don't care, I don't care, I don't care, I don't care, I don't care, I don't care, I don't care, I don't care, I don't care, I don't care, I don't care, I don't care, I don't care, I don't care, I don't care, I don't care, I don't care, I don't care, I don't care, I don't care, I don't care, I don't care, I don't care, I don't care, I don't care, I don't care, I don't care, I don't care, I don't care, I don't care, I don't care, I don't care, I don't care, I don't care, I don't care, I don't care, I don't care, I don't care, I don't care, I don't care, I don't care, I don't care, I don't care, I don't care, I don't care, I don't care, I don't care, I don't care, I don't care, I don't care, I don't care, I don't care, I don't care, I don't care, I don't care, I don't care, I don't care, I don't care, I don't care, I don't care, I don't care, I don't care, I don't care, I don't care, I don't care, I don't care, I don't care, I don't care, I don't care, I don't care, I don't care, I don't care, I don't care, I don't care, I don't care, I don't care, I don't care, I don't care, I don't care, I don't care, I don't care, I don't care, I don't care, I don't care, I don't care, I don't care, I don't care, I don't care, I don't care people like fuck fight the power that be fight the pot and then just one do the banjo ttang ttang ttang ttang ttang ttang ttang ttang ttang ttang ttang ttang ttang ttang ttang ttang ttang ttang ttang ttang ttang ttang ttang ttang ttang ttang ttang ttang ttang ttang ttang ttang ttang ttang ttang ttang ttang ttang ttang ttang ttang ttang ttang ttang ttang ttang ttang ttang ttang ttang ttang ttang ttang ttang ttang ttang ttang ttang ttang ttang ttang ttang ttang ttang ttang ttang ttang ttang ttang ttang ttang ttang ttang ttang ttang ttang ttang ttang ttang ttang ttang ttang ttang ttang ttang ttang ttang ttang ttang ttang ttang ttang ttang ttang ttang ttang ttang ttang ttang ttang ttang ttang ttang ttang ttang ttang tttang ttang ttang ttang ttang ttang ttang ttang ttang ttang ttang ttang ttang ttang ttang ttang ttang ttang ttang ttang ttang ttang ttang ttang ttang ttang ttang ttang ttang ttang ttang ttang ttang ttang tt get a fucking bass guitar or shut up. Oh, all right, I, what if I do it quiet? Tank, tank, tank, tank. Anyways, back to the 10 point program. Number three, you wanna end the robbery by the capitalists of our black community. We believe that this racist government has robbed us and now we are demanding the overdue debt of 40 acres

and two mules. 40 acres and two mules were promised a hundred years ago as restitution for slave labor and the mass murder of black people. We will accept the payment in currency, which will be distributed to many communities. The Germans are now aiding the Jews in Israel for the genocide of the Jewish people. The Germans murdered 6 million Jews. The American racists have taken part in the slaughter of over 50 million black people.

Therefore, we feel that this is a modest demand that we make. Now, restitution, this is something modest demand that we make. Now, restitution, this is something I've heard about many, many years, I've often heard of this 40 acres and two mules promise, but I've never looked into it until this week. So glad the suck gave me an excuse to do so. Did the US government promise to give 40 acres and two mules to freed slaves following the civil War. The short answer is no, it actually did not. But hear me out, the notion does have historical origins. When a union army led by General William to come to Sherman, marched to Georgia in late

1864, thousands of newly freed black citizens followed along. Until the arrival of federal troops, they had been slaves on plantations in that region. Sherman's army took the city of Savannah, Georgia, just before Christmas, 1864, while in Savannah. Sherman attended a meeting organized in January, 1865, by Edwin Stanton, President Lincoln, Secretary of War, a number of local black ministers, most of whom had just recently lived to slaves, expressed the desires of the local black population. According to a letter, journal Sherman wrote a year later, Secretary Stanton concluded

that if given land, the freed slaves could take care of themselves. And as land belonging to those who rose up in rebellion against the federal government, had been declared abandoned by a recent act of Congress, there was land to distribute. Following the meeting, German drafted a Sherman, drafted in order, a general Sherman, which was officially designated as Special Field Orders number 15. In this document, data January 16th, 1865, Sherman ordered that the abandoned rice plantations from the sea to 30 miles inland would be, quote, reserved and set apart for the settlement of the freed slaves in the region.

Okay. So land was promised to freed slaves. However, it was promised by a general in the army who did not have the authority to make that promise, right? It was not a bill passed through Congress and the Senate and then signed into law by the president. According to Sherman's order, each family shall have a plot of not more than 40 acres of tillable ground. At the time, it was generally accepted that 40 acres of land was the optimal size for

a family farm. General Rufus Sackston was put in charge of administering the land along the Georgia coast. While Sherman's order stated, each family shall have a plot of no more than 40 acres of tillable ground. There was no specific mention of farm animals, no two mules. However, General Sackston did apparently provide surplus U.S. Army mules to some of the family's granted land. And that's where the mule part of the story comes into play. And a lot of people heard about Sherman's order because it got a lot of

national press. The New York Times on January 29, 1865 printed the entire text on the front page under the headline, General Sherman's order providing homes for the freed Negroes. Three months after Sherman issued his field orders, number 15, the U.S. Congress created the freedman's bureau for the purpose of ensuring the welfare of millions of slaves being freed by the war. We talked about this bureau in the KKK suck. One initial task of the freedman's bureau was the management of lands confiscated from those who had rebelled against the U.S. The Congress led by radical Republicans was to break up the plantations and redistribute the lands.

So former slaves could have their own small farms, but then the link he was killed, fuck. Everything changed. Andrew Johnson became president in April, 1965, and Andrew Johnson was kind of a douchebag. And Johnson on May 28, 1865 issued a proclamation of pardon and amnesty to citizens in the South who would take an oath of allegiance. As part of the pardon process, lands confiscated from these people during the war would now be returned to them. So while the radical republics had fully intended for there to be a massive redistribution of land from former slave owners, two former slaves under the reconstruction and land was actually in fact given to many

former slaves. Johnson's policy came in and fucked everything up. Approximately 40,000 former slaves received grants of land under Sherman's order and then all of that was taken away by Andrew Johnson. So while there was no law or presidential promise of 40 acres and two mules, there was an attempt at restitution that was then revoked. Do I think that some form of restitution should be given to the descendants of slaves? Yes, but I don't know what it should look like.

It's so complicated. It would be easy to say, oh fuck yeah, fucking money, lamp, yeah, everything, whatever's fair. Make it happen. But that's not how life works. Does the US government even have the ability to pay out the money that will be required? And if the descendants of slaves should get money,

what about American Indians? What should they get? Who pays for all that? Now, taxpayers, what about taxpayers? Whose ancestors weren't even in this country prior to 1865? Is that fair? The more you think about it, the more complex it gets. Aren't there any other groups of Americans who aren't African American, also trapped in

cycles of multigenerational socioeconomic disadvantages? Who else should be given some money? It's about Kentucky, which is why I should be looked into and not ignored. People smarter than me to take some time to actually dig into this issue. And people tried and unfortunately didn't go anywhere. Every year between 1989 and 2017 Representative John Connors from Michigan Democrat introduced the commission to study reparation proposals for African-Americans act as the name indicates HR 40 did not require reparations who just to look into it

Is a study it? It's just called for the comprehensive research into the nature and financial impact of African enslavement as well as the Iles and Flickton on black people during the Jim Crow era. Only then can remedies be considered or suggested. And every year, the bill stalled. Democrats and Republicans, everybody, everybody shot it down every year, every single year for 19 years. It's fucking embarrassing. What about targeted education and job training programs for the descendants of slaves whose

families have been trapped in cycles of poverty for over 150 years? Can we at least look into that? I think shame on us for not ever actually considering it. Back to the 10 points. Now, number four, we want decent housing fit for the shelter of human beings. We believe that if white landlords will not give decent housing to our black community, then the housing and the land should be made into cooperatives so that our community, when government aid, or with government aid can build and make decent housing for its people. Again, I don't like the communist angle,

but decent and affordable housing should absolutely be made available to everybody. We want education number five. We want education for our people that exposes the true nature of this decadent American society. We want education that teaches us our true history and our role in the present day society. We believe in an educational system that will give our people a knowledge of self.

If a man does not have knowledge of himself and his position in society and the world, then he has little chance to relate to anything else. Couldn't agree more. The curriculum taught to kids in school seems to be way more diverse now than it was when I was a kid. Based on what I've seen with Kyler and Roe. So I feel like things are moving in a good direction. That's good, hail Nimrod, that's good. When I was a kid, I didn't learn shit in school

about Africa or the Middle East or really anything other than just information filtered through a Judeo-Christian kind of Western European lens. I feel like the best way to be racist in prejudice is to only look at the world through your little bubble, right, your little cultural and racial point of view. Travel to enough other nations, read enough foreign literature, and you will realize if you keep an open mind, they were all pretty much the same.

When you get down to the core of it, we're all involved in the same struggle. We got different ideologies, you know, different religious and political notions, but deep down, everybody pretty much wants the same shit. Number six, we want all black men to be exempt from military service. We believe that black people should not be forced

to fight in the military service to defend a racist government. That does not protect us. We will not fight and kill other people of color in the world who like black people are being victimized by the white racist government of America. We will protect ourselves from the force and violence of the racist police and the racist military by whatever means necessary. There's a little Malcolm X by whatever means necessary.

I understand the logic here, but maybe this one shouldn't have been written down. This reads as a declaration of war. And when you're fighting a nation with too many soldiers and weapons for you to ever even hope to defeat them, maybe you can keep that quiet. Maybe have number six be discussed internally,, never written down if you don't want to get in the FBI's kind of watch list. If I ever want to start a revolution, it's going to be like fight club, right? First rule of overthrowing the government is to not fucking talk about overthrowing the

government, which I do realize creates some organizational problems. Number seven, we want an immediate end to police brutality and murder of black people. We believe we can end police brutality in our black community by organizing black self-defense groups that are dedicated to defending our black community from racist police suppression and brutality. The second amendment to the Constitution of the United States

gives a right to bear arms. We therefore believe that all black people should arm themselves for self-defense. Yeah, I mean, I agree. The main point of having an armed citizenry is to prevent your government from becoming tyrannical and abusing you. You know, I got a lot of emails after my gun control suck a while back, let me know that despite our military having superior weaponry,

an armed populace still absolutely helps keep our government and check through the threat of a, you know, insurgency. You know, we want number eight, we want freedom for all black men held in federal state, county, and city prisons and jails. We believe that all black people should be released from their many jails and prisons because they have not received a fair and impartial trial. May I change a word on this one? How about we believe that all black inmates should have their cases reviewed by, you know,

fair juries, mixed juries, while many black inmates had been wrongly incarcerated, not all black inmates were in jail because they were the victim of racism. Many were there because they broke laws. But again, I understand where this is coming from. I understand the sentiment. We want number nine. We want all black people to be able to take any and all property from the descendants of slave owners effective now.

This includes physical property, financial property, intellectual property, and sexual property. Your bodies will be ours, you white devil motherfuckers. That's intense, and that's not number nine. Whew, that would be too much. That would be, ooh, nah, can't launch a revolution when you're that aggressive right off the rip. No, number nine, I actually confused myself.

I wrote that down on my notes and then forgot. I had written down a lot and I was like, what the fuck? How do they think they would fucking get away with it? You can't just take people's land right now. What the fuck? Oh, oh yeah, I made that up. I was the one who I can made up that lie. Number nine said, we want all black people when brought to trial to be tried in a court by a jury of their peer group or people from their black communities as defined by the Constitution of the United States. We believe that the courts should follow the United States Constitution so the black people will receive fair trials. The 14th amendment of the U.S. Constitution gives a man a right to be tried by his peer

group. A peer is a person from a similar economic, social, religious, geographical, environmental, historical, and racial background. To do this, the court will be forced to select a jury from the black community from which the black defended came. We have been and are being tried by all white juries that have no understanding of the average reasoning man of the black community. I do love that one. All white juries deciding black trials, especially during the racist 1960s. That's fuck, that's pretty fucked up. Uh, should not have happened. And finally, number 10, we

want land, bread, housing, education, clothing, justice, and peace. When in the course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands, which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the laws of nature and nature's God entitle them, a decent respect of the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to this separation. We hold these truths to be self-evident,

that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their creator with certain inalienable rights, that among these are life liberty and the pursuit of happiness. That to secure these rights governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed,

that whenever any form, that whenever any form, that whenever any form of government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or abolish it and institute a new government. Laneish Foundation on such principles as an organizing powers in such form as to them shall seem most likely to affect their safety and happiness. Proofs indeed will dictate that governments long establish should not be changed for light and transient causes. And accordingly, all experience has shown that mankind

are more disposed to suffer while evils are sufferable than to write themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, you surpe-tations, you surpe-tations, oh, fuckin' whatever, sorry, that word eludes me right now. Pursuing invari invariably the same object advances in design to reduce him under absolute uh... despotism

is there right is there duty to throw off such government and to provide new guards for the future security whoo that's mouthful that's lots lot info uh... i love it i mean uh... they never had a chance to over to the u.s. government but i love the spirit of this message is like yeah when the government turns it isn't serving the people time to overthrow the US government, but I love the spirit of this message. It's like, yeah, when the government turns it isn't serving the people time to overthrow the government. I love America.

And loving it should include wanting to destroy it if it ever loses its way, right? The only reason America was started was to be able to pursue the American dream, be able to work your way into owning a home, setting your kids to college, chasing a nice retirement for yourself and inheritance for future generations. And for Huey, Bobby, people living in their neighborhoods, this is damn near impossible. By what's him, I would have felt the same rage. Now imagine, I would probably fucking hate a white people. Would have wanted to burn this country to the ground. And if we ever become as racist and hateful as we used to be,

if we ever stop evolving towards more and more acceptance for people of different sexual preferences, skin colors, cultural affiliations, religious or non-religious belief systems, gender identities, et cetera, it would become more andigious belief systems, gender identities, etc. It would become more and more intolerant as opposed to tolerance than I hope we do burn this motherfucker to the ground and start over. Let's not make America great again, let's make it great for everyone for the first fucking time. It's been great before, but only selectively, never great for everyone. That's why I've always hated that slogan. It wasn't great for women,

when workplace sexual harassment and date rape was basically a cultural norm. Wasn't great for homosexuals when they were given the Matthew Shepherd treatment time and time again. Wasn't great for Asians when they were being running on the fucking towns and thrown into shallow graves while they built railroads and worked mines. Wasn't fucking great for intercity black Americans

when they were so scared of police. They felt they needed to arm themselves and follow the police. And if you wanna read politics into this rant, that's on you. It's not there for me. If wanting equality for everyone who isn't actually hurting others with their choices, it isn't part of your moral compass.

If that fends you somehow politically, then you're no member of the Colter Curious. You're not on Team Meet'sack. Get in, Nimrod Sputtle. Get in there. It's where I apparently eat alone. Okay. Now back to the show. Back to the show. Let's talk about following the police. Okay. Now back to the show. Back to the show.

Let's talk about following the police, what I was referencing there, after a word from today's final sponsor. Before we discuss other areas outside of Europe, what am I talking about? Sorry. A word from today's final sponsor lost my mind for a second there. Went to the wrong notes. Today's time suck is brought to you by the Great Courses Plus. I am on a lifelong quest to learn as much as I can about the past and the world around me.

And the Great Courses Plus is an invaluable tool in this regard. Well, with the Great Courses Plus, you get unlimited access to in-depth insightful information and virtually any topic. This streaming service has thousands of lectures to explore on topics like world history, archaeology, astronomy, civil rights, art and literature, even cooking or learning the language, and they're all presented by top notch experts who are so passionate about what they teach. You can watch or listen entirely on your schedule from anywhere. If you heard last week's suck, you know that I've been enjoying the course, The History of Ancient Egypt.

Egyptologist Bob Breer examines the three periods of ancient Egypt, including Stephru, First Pyramids, the mysterious reign of Queen, hot-shep suits, the murder of King Tut, I like King Tut, easy Egyptian name. Even talks about how to read hieroglyphics. Lecture 44, still my favorite, the middle told me, the decline Bob talks about, Dr. Bob talks about one of the told me rulers,

fleeing to Cyprus when the people revolted against him. His wife stayed behind to rule in his place, that pissed him off. So he let her know that he was not happy by having their son killed dismembered and then having the scattered parts of their son sent to her on her birthday. Surprise! Hi, Derserat, how are you doing? That is so messed up. That's so messed up, it might even make a head camper. Be like, father, father, you've gone too far, father. You really need to get your zapples under control. So learn more about the tolamies, so much more. To help you get started, the great courses plus is offering a free trial with unlimited

access to learn about anything. To get this great offer, sign up through the great courses plus dot com slash time suck. That's the great courses plus dot com slash time suck. Link in the upside description push the great courses button in the time so cap. Push, push, push, push, push, push, push, real good. That was weird. Now back to the first organized activities of the black panthers. Late 1966, within a few months of organizing, the Black Panther Party began organizing police patrols, started doing what they called cop watching. Open carry laws, this is fascinating to me.

Open carry laws of the 1960s allowed citizens to openly carry loaded weapons in hand, basically wherever they placed. Long as you didn't point at somebody, openly threatened them with it. You could just walk right into Macy's. You could walk in with a loaded shotgun, semi-automatic military style rifle, safety off.

Gotta say, I'm a gun owner and I am so glad you can't do that shit now. I'm so glad you just can't walk into a bar with a loaded rifle in hand. Carrying a firearm directly in your hands now, particularly in a fire in position or combat stance, there's known as brand machine of firearm. And that's a, particularly in a fire in position or combat stance is known as brandishing a firearm.

And that's a crime even where I live in Idaho, which is a very permissive open carry state. Actually, the current law in Idaho, section one, section 18, 3303 reads, exhibition or use of a deadly weapon, every person who not in necessary self-defense in the presence of two or more persons, draws or exhibits any deadly weapon in a rude, Every person who not in necessary self-defense in the presence of two or more persons draws or exhibits any deadly weapon in a rude, angry, and threatening manner or who in any manner

unlawfully uses the same in any fight or quarrel is guilty of a misdemeanor. Misdemeanor, what? That's pretty crazy. If I'm interpreting this law correctly, I could pull out a loaded gun at Denny's here in Cordalene I could point at the ceiling just as long as I'm not pointing to somebody. I could just kind of casually wave it around Just yell stuff like I'm fucking tired of waiting for my pancakes Just give my goddamn pancakes don't coffee waters cold Warm up my coffee water

Give me my pancakes Somebody can be like sir put the gun away. You bring my fucking pancakes! I'll stop waving my gun around. As soon as I can use the gun hand to grab some tasty-ass butter and syrup and shovel it into my fucking gulet. Give my pancakes. Get hangry. After all that, I could be arrested and charged with a misdemeanor.

That's mind blowing. Mr. Carmen, the court finds you guilty of carrying your weapon in a rude, threatening manner. I didn't threaten anyone, Your Honor. I didn't threaten, I didn't threaten shit. And nonetheless, it is most definitely rude to wave you gun around at Denny's. And the man, Pancakes, was gratuitous and unnecessary profanity. The court hereby orders you to pay at your convenience a $200 fine. I should do it.

Right shot it. I did it. Also wasn't illegal to follow the police and carry whatever weapons they police. The black panthers did exactly that. They would follow the police while other officers would follow them. They'd had enough of police brutality and were ready to protect their neighborhood again by any means necessary. One of their slogans, they'd taken from Malcolm X.

If confronted members with sight laws, they'd proved that proved they'd done nothing wrong and would threaten to take court action if the police violated their constitutional rights. The black panthers were huge gun-right advocates. They wafed around rifles and hand quite often the aggressive means in which they yielded the right to carry would actually lead to california now having some of the toughest gun control laws the nation that all got started with the black panthers how nervous does it would make you though if you were oakland police officer right to some patrol just uh... hey gregg that guy was doing about seventy

in a thirty five uh... don't you think we should maybe pull him over? Hey, Chad, do you see those guys in the car holding shotguns and 357 sitting about a block behind us? Oh, yeah, yeah, I see those guys. That's why we're gonna let that go. Oh, so we're just gonna let everyone just get away with everything you know. Hell no, Chad. As soon as we see some white dude do something, we are going to arrest the fuck out of him. Um, further adding detention with local police, the black panthers began casually referring to all law enforcement officers as pigs, chanting things, loudly, wall arm like the revolution

has come. It's time to pick up the gun off the pigs. Not great for, uh, you know, community police relations. January 1967, the black Panther Party opens its first official headquarters in Oakland. In a storefront, publishes the first issue of the Black Panther Black Community News service. In February of 67, membership numbers get a bump when the Black Panthers escort Malcolm X's widow through the Oakland airport, given a little prestige, public association between Malcolm's widow and the group gives them some revolutionary legitimacy.

New Black Panther recruits are required to learn how to wield a weapon, I'll learn how to clean and shoot guns. In addition to understanding their right to carry firearms and how to communicate that right to the police in California. He, we Newton put his knowledge of the law on display when he and seal or stopped by Oakland police officers in early 1967 in a vehicle filled with weapons. When questioned about the guns, Newton simply replied that the only thing he was obliged to do was give his identification name and address. At the request of the officer, Newton stepped out of the car, rifle, and tow, and refused to explain why he and other black panthers were carrying weapons. As onlookers gathered, the police tried to disperse the crowd while Newton welcomed

the crowd to gather and come over. He knew that under California law, bystanders could legally view and arrest as long as they didn't intrude. Since there were no violations for the police to charge the black Panther members with, and a growing number of witnesses, they were able to leave the scene without any trouble from law enforcement. I mean, that's, that's some balls. That is some balls.

And again, I love law enforcement officers. We need them to keep the general public safe. However, being a law enforcement officer doesn't give anyone the right to abuse law. The best law enforcement officer's a public servant. It's not billies, billies, not billies, you guys. You fucking hear it? Don't be a billy.

What if I just kept going? Didn't clarify. Not billies, don't, uh, uh, not Williams, not billies, not bills. So don't be a bill, put it on a bumper sticker, drive around town. No, the best law enforcement officers, not bullies, abusing the very laws, or sworn to protect, or sworn to uphold. Can I talk English?

Not well. It's amazing that I can do a podcast. April 25th, 1967, the Black Panther Party newspaper features the bold-faced headline, why was Denzel Dowell killed? To rally action over the death of a young man shot by police in Northern Richmond, a small and poversed all black town or actually North Richmond about 15 miles north of Oakland. In the early morning hours of April 1st, 1967 in North Richmond, Denzel, Daulde lay dead in the street. The police said that Daulde, a 22 year old construction worker,

having killed by a single shotgun blast to the back and head. They claimed he had been cop burglarizing a liquor store and when ordered to halt failed to do so. But the corner told a very different story. His body bore six different bullet holes and there was reason to believe Dowell had been shot while surrendering with his hands raised high. His mother said, I believe the police murdered my son. And all white jury found that Dowell's death was justifiable homicide after just 30 minutes of deliberation. Many people in North Richmond did not agree. The newly formed

black panthers did not agree and rushed to meet with the Dowell family and get more details about what happened. They started holding street corner rallies protesting his death as an active police brutality confronting officials arguing that only by taking up arms could the black community put a stop to police brutality on son or one Sunday the police came knocking on Mrs. Dowell's door while Newton was there and when she opened the door he later recalled a police man pushed his way in asking questions. I grabbed my shotgun step in front of her, telling him either to produce a search warrant or to leave. He stood for a minute, shocked, then ran out to his car and drove off. Again, Sky, no shortage of balls. Emboldened by this confrontation, Newton,

Newton and seal, planned a rally. And a few days later in the spring of 1967, the panthers showed up armed and in uniform and closed off the street. Black leather jackets, black burrase, many wearing sunglasses, all with guns and hand. I gotta say, looking pretty dope as fuck. Panthers had no shortage of swag. Word had spread in almost 400 people of all ages came to the rally, many working class and poor black people from North Richmond showed up wanting to know how to get some measure of justice for Denzel.

Or Denzel, it's D-E-N-Z-I-L. Denzel Dowl, and's Den, it's D-E-N-Z-I-L. Denzel, Dell and in turn, how to protect themselves and their community from further police attacks. People lined up, both sides of the block. Some elderly residents brought lawn chairs to sit in while they listen, some of the younger generation climbed on cars, grabbed some popcorn, watched the show. Some police cars arrived on the scene, but chose to keep their distance. A contra, a Costa County helicopter, patroled above. According to Sheriff spokesman, the department took no other action because the panthers

broke to laws and as required, displayed their weapons openly. Neighbors showed up with their own guns, one young woman who had been sitting in her car, got out, held her up her M1. M1 rifle for everyone to see. The panthers passed out applications, joined their party in over 300 people filled them out. According to FBI informant Earl Anthony, he had never seen black men command their respect of the people the way that Huey Newton and Bobby Sealed did on that day. Crazy at the FBI was already watching the FBI is going to become a very big part of this story here soon. This rally and the actions of the panthers in general

over the past few months, scaring the shit out of the California government. Following the rally, Don Malford quickly drafts the Malford Act, a bill that would prohibit the carrying of loaded firearms in public. When Newton's seal and other panthers caught wind of this new legislation being proposed, they quickly organized a protest. This might be my favorite part of the story. On May 2nd, 1967, Panther Chairman Bobby Seale led a group of 30 fully armed black panthers to the California State Capitol and Sacramento. Then Governor Ronald Reagan happened to be there. He was there that day, giving us speech, the news crews that were covering him quickly shifted to interviewing

and filming the newly arrived panthers before entering the capital building Bobby seal read a written statement on the capital steps right in front of governor Reagan. Say in the American people in general and the black people in particular must take careful note of the racist California legislature aimed at keeping the black people disarmed and powerless. Seal and five others ended up getting arrested during this protest, but not for gun charges. The group pled guilty to misdemeanor charges of disrupting legislation. It isn't saying there's pictures of them just inside the Capitol and just right in front,

just holding, just openly holding shotguns and assault rifles. The following months in June and July of 1967, there were massive race riots in cities like Cleveland, Newark, Chicago, and Detroit. The city of Newark, New Jersey erupted in violence as black residents battled police following the beating of a black taxi driver leaving 26 people dead, 26. The 1967 Detroit rides were among the most violent and destructive rides in US history. By the time the bloodshed burning and looting ended after five days, 43 people were dead, 342 injured, nearly 1,400 buildings burned some seven thousand national garden u.s. army troops

have been called into service it all started that one with the rate of an illegal nightclub on twelve street twelve street Detroit hot spot of intercity nightlife both legal and illegal at the corner twelve street in clearmont uh... a man named william scott operated uh... a blind, which was an illegal after hours club. It might be a 12th Street in Claremount. Actually, on weekends out of the office of the United Community League for Civil Action, a civil rights group, the police vice squad often rated establishments like that on 12th

Street, and at 3.35 a.m. on Sunday morning, July 23, they moved against Scott's club. On that warm human night, Scott was hosting a party for several veterans, including two servicemen recently returned from Vietnam and the bar's patrons were reluctant to leave the air conditioning club. Out in the street, a crowd began to gather as police waited for vehicles to take 85 patrons away. An hour passed before the last person was taken away and by that time, 200 onlookers had lined the street and then a bottle crashed into the street. The remaining police ignored it, but then more bottles were thrown, including one through the window over patrol car. The police fled as a small riot than erupted within an hour. Thousands of people had spilled out onto the street from nearby buildings,

looting began on 12th street and closed shops and businesses were ransacked around 6.30 a.m. The first fire broke out and soon much of the street was ablaze by mid-morning every policeman and fireman in all of Detroit was called to duty. On 12th street officers fought to control the unruly mob firemen were attacked as they tried to battle the flames. Things just got worse from there. Yeah, a phenomenon called white flight white middle class city residents fleeing urban centers to live in the suburbs in the 40s and 50s and 60s reduce the tax base informally prosperous downtown neighborhoods creating urban blight poverty racial discord for the residents who remained who were largely in poverty racial minority.

So poor urban underserved black neighborhoods, police almost entirely by white law enforcement didn't make a good mix, didn't make for a good non violent mix. And then in late July of 67, the state capital demonstration in May in California that had given the panthers a tremendous amount of national exposure, increased membership levels, and ultimately didn't stop the bill from passing both the state assembly and senate. Uh, ironically, that bill got the full support of the NRA. In addition to repealing open carry laws in California, Malford made it illegal to take firearms into the capital.

On July 28th, the bill was signed into law by Governor Reagan, who later commented that he saw no reason why on the street today a citizen should be carrying low to weapons. The panthers can no longer now openly and legally carry low to weapons while they follow police. So this puts a serious dent in the revolution. On October 28th, 1967, the Oakland chapter of the Black Panther movement hits another snag

when Panther, minister of defense, Huey Newton, co-founder, involved in a shootout with Oakland police after a traffic stop. Officer John Frey is killed. Newton is shot in the abdomen. Tracked to an Oakland hospital, he's arrested and charged with first to remarter. New leaders step into keep the movement going while Newton is incarcerated. Panther member Eldridge Cleaver, who joined the party after being released from prison on December 2nd,

began the movement to free Huey, a struggle the panthers would devote considerable amount of attention to in the coming years. While the party would spread its roots further into the political spectrum, forming coalitions with various other revolutionary parties. Opinions on Eldridge Cleaver, he's an interesting character in this story. They very wildly, when you watch interviews of former Black Panthers, essentially most seem to think that he was either a visionary genius or a complete fucking maniac or both. Cleaver was attracted to the Black Panthers because of their focus on armed struggle. Cleaver was an inmate of correctional institutions in California almost constantly from his junior high school days until 1966 for crimes ranging from position to marijuana to rape,

to assault, then tent to murder. While in prison, he also became a fan and a follower of the teachings of Malcolm X and Karl Marx. He also wrote essays that would be collected into soul on ice. The essays Cleaver documented his, the essays in the soul on ice book, documented cleaver's evolution into a radical black liberationist. And it became a very highly influential book in the black power movement. The book was and remains fairly controversial. The central premise of the book is the trouble of identification as a black soul,

which has been colonized by an impressive white society that projects its brief narrow vision of life as eternal truth. In the book, Cleaver admitted to raping black girls as a practice run before seeking white women's prey, but claims that in jail, he'd come to consider those acts as inhuman. Well, that's good. Jesus, not sure you could earn that same forgiveness

and be part of any kind of social justice movement today if you did that. Now, I'm sorry. Oh, whoa. Did you actually just say that you raped black women as a practice run to learn how to more effectively rape white women? Did you just say that? Okay. Okay. Okay. I thought I heard fucking crazy talk. Your participation revolution is over now. Effectively now you can join possibly the rapist who promised not to rape any more revolution if that is a thing.

Along with 10 other books such as Slotterhouse 5 by Kurt Vonnegut, Black Boy by Richard Wright, the naked ape by Desmond Morris, Sol and Ice would be part of a 1982 Supreme court case when a Long Island New York school district starts to remove these books from its libraries due to them being anti-American, anti-Christian, anti-Semitic, and just plain filthy. The Supreme Court ended up with a split ruling in this case. I do love the legal language of just plain filthy. I like how that was added there. And why would you like these books removed from your school libraries?

They are just plain filthy, Your Honor. Define filthy. Their nasty as fuck, Your Honor, they're like, um, they're like vomited and shit thrown in the same buckets. Swallowed around. Uh, dumped on top of some rotten meat. They're eaten, then vomited and shit back into the same bucket. For someone else to take their crack at it.

They're filthy, Irrata. They're just plain, filthy. Elders was supportive of taking what, you know, you felt was yours to any means necessary. Again, that by any means necessary. One of his quotes was, we shall have our manhood, we shall have it or the earth will be leveled

by our attempts to gain it. Yeah, I feel like that's kind of a rapie quote. Might be reading into that now, but seems kind of rapie for rapist. To be talking about taking manhood. And and if you'll excuse me, I'm going to keep this recorded. I have to take a sip of water. This is the longest and uninterrupted chunk between segments. I think I've ever done on time stock.

Wow, throat's getting dry. And one black power rally, Eldreds said about then California governor Ronald Reagan, and I quote, this is one of the things that made some people think like, I might be a little minted and stable. He said, he's a punk, a sissy, and a coward, and I challenge him to a duel. I challenge him to a duel to the death until he says Uncle Eldridge, and I give him his choice of weapons. He can use a gun, a knife, a baseball bat, or a marshmallow. I'll beat him to death with a marshmallow. That's how I feel about him. Not surprisingly,

Reagan, not a huge Eldridge fan around this time. When Cleaver taught a class at UC Berkeley, a few years later, when Reagan heard about it, He said, if Eldridge Cleaver is allowed to teach our children, they may come home one night and slay our throats. Ironically, the little footnote to the story, ironically, Eldridge would then later become super conservative and openly endorse Reagan when Reagan ran for president. Eldridge would also later become a Mormon, a religion that is pretty conservative and pretty white. I gotta say it feels like maybe one of the wider religions, I guess people can change. Another new member of the party to take a leadership position once Newton was behind bars was Stokely Carmichael, the former chairman of that Alabama student nonviolent coordinating

committee, and a nationally known proponent of black power. He becomes the party's prime minister in February 1968 and Stokely was arguably far less rapied than Eldridge and by the last time he not at all, nothing I could find there. Way more racist. Pretty racist. He was adamantly against allowing whites into the black liberation movement at any level. He felt that whites could not relate to the black experience, which I do agree with, and that they would have an intimidating effect on blacks, which I can't disagree with since I'm not black. However, you've just also when you do this given a huge middle finger to any white person who wants to help you who wants your movement to succeed. And since there were about, I don't know,

nine times as many white people in America as there were black people at that time, you have put a big fucking nail in your coffin, right? You've put a huge nail in the coffin of your own movement by doing that. At so many points in the suck, I feel so much empathy as much as a white dude can for this movement. Like it must have been so nice for young black children to see such strong black role models who are not afraid of standing up to those who would have pressed them for so many generations. But when you go full us versus them mentality, when all white

people become the problem, you lose. Just like when racist label all black people is a problem, or all Mexicans is the problem. That's not how humanity works. You can't function that way. And, you know, if we're any longevity into any kind of real movements, not, not any more, thank God, not all white people were in favor of slavery, even during the height of slavery. I think about this logic, this type of logic in today's polarized society. Like whenever somebody has an attitude of fuck Republicans or fuck Democrats,

or when they think that all conservatives or this way or all liberals, or that way, they're always wrong. You know, just like it's bad lazy writing to make a villain in a movie like all evil, like cartoonishly, you know, just a caricature of evil, it's bad lazy thinking to make a villain in a movie like all evil, like cartoonishly, you know, just a caricature of evil. It's bad lazy thinking to believe that, you know, certain real people are all bad or that

they're all part of the problem. Unless you're talking about defining them by a certain behavior that makes, that defines the group that, you know, they're belong to. Like all convicted pedophiles are bad babysitters. That's, that's probably true. Definitely true. All convicted pedophiles are a terrible babysitting first option. That's gotta be true, right?

But anyway, you get, you get what I'm saying. On April 4th, 1968, civil rights leader Reverend Dr. Martin Luther June, Jesus Christ, so many fucking words. I'm gonna start over. On April 4th, 1968? Civil rights leader that I do understand why NPR in those kind of places sometimes when they talk that way It's so much easier to say words right if you like on April 4th, 1968 Civil rights leader Reverend doctor Martin Luther King Jr. is Assasinated in Memphis, Tennessee. I mean, I could my pronunciation

You know correct percentage would go way up if I lost all passion for what I was saying and just spoke in a manner that makes 20 to 40% of the population want to kill themselves. On April 4th, 1968. All right, say, I never know, I never know. No one talks like that. Hopefully on a podcast.

Anyway, the real Reverend Doctor, he's assassinated in Memphis years later, the King family would hire attorney William Francis Pepper to investigate King shooting, and he would present evidence from 70 witnesses in 4,000 pages of transcripts, and Pepper alleges in his 2003 book, an act of state that the evidence implicated the FBI, CIA, Army, and Memphis Police Department and organized crime in the murder of King. While the government wasn't proven in court to be involved, there remains widespread speculation that they helped kill King or at least allowed it to happen. And many panthers at the time did think that law enforcement was involved and they were

understandably fucking angry. They decided to strike back by organizing an attack on Oakland police officers, very much an eye for an eye mentality here. So two days later, after King's assassination, April 6, 1968, 17 year old Panther treasure Bobby Hutton is killed by police during a violent confrontation in West Oakland. Panthers maintained that Hutton was shot while unarmed and with his arms raised to surrender. On April 6, Cleaver and 14 other Panthers led an ambush of Oakland police officers during which two officers were wounded. Cleaver was wounded during the

ambush. 17 year old again, you know, black Panther member Bobby Hutton killed. Panthers were armed with M16 rifles and shotguns. Years later, in 1980, you know, although the Panthers would say at the time like, you know, he was on arm, he was the years later, 1980, Cleaver, when Elders Cleaver returned to the country after fleeing in the wake of this gun battle, uh, charges, and it came out of this gun battle against him, he would state that he had led the Panther group on a deliberate ambush of the police officers and provoked the shootout. He also at this time discredited the black panthers, uh, you know, stating, we need police

as heroes. Now some speculated his admission could have been a payoff to the Alameda County Justice system whose judge had just days earlier let Eldridge Cleaver escape prison time. Cleaver would be sentenced to community service after getting charged with three counts of assault against three Oakland police officers. So disputing stories about who is a fault here police or the panthers. A documentary on Huey Newton, a Huey Newton story claims that Bobby Hutton was shot more than 12 times after he had already surrendered and stripped down to his underwear to prove he was not armed. So, very conflicting stories there.

On September 8, 1968, a jury acquits Newton of his murder charge, but convicts him a voluntary manslaughter. And this was for that earlier, a different police shootout charge. Newton sends the sensitive to fifteen years uh... and then free hewie demonstrations intensify around the nation two days later on September 10th rifle shots are fired into black pants are national headquarters in oakland a poster in the front window of newton holden the gun wall seated in

an african wicker chair is apparently the target to intoxicated intoxicated off-duty oakland police officers are blamed for the incident and dismissed from the police force. So the tension between the Bay Area and police and the panthers obviously is continuing through the fall of 1968 activism builds around the notion that Newton is a political prisoner. The free Huey campaign leads to the opening of Black Panther chapters in more than 20 other cities. So, you know, a positive part of his incarceration is that it's building the movements more and more people are joining because of

you know Because of you know a public awareness of the black panthers due to their free Huey demonstrations And after the after these other chapters are open the free breakfast for children program is launched in St. Augustine's and Piscopal in Oakland. This to me, this free breakfast for children program, maybe the coolest accomplishment of the Black Panthers, as far as out of just like one individual accomplishment, inspired by contemporary research about how important the role of a good breakfast was and kids ability to learn. Basically, you can't pay attention in class if you're super hungry. The Panthers began to cook and serve food to the poor inner

city youth of the Oakland area. The program became so popular by the end of the year that the Panthers set up kitchens in cities across the US feeding over 10,000 kids every day before they went to school. In November of 1968, young Fred Hampton joins the movement. Fred Hampton, my favorite panther, you're going to find out why here soon. Like if the Panthers were made into action figures, I would have wanted a Fred Hampton action figure. And the Fred Hampton figure would probably have to occasionally take the Eldridge Cleaver action figure aside

and just whisper something like, you know that rape is super fucked up, right? Like you know that it's wrong. Like good for you for admitting it, but it cannot happen again. It should have never happened. I don't know why you're still even here. But if it happens again, I gotta put you down.

I gotta put you down. I gotta put you down. Anyway, Hampton had just turned 20 years old, yeah, sorry, just 20 when he joined the movement. He was a gifted student and a gifted athlete, dreamed of some day playing center field for the Yankees. He graduated high school in Maywood, Illinois as suburb of Chicago with honors in 1966. He was enrolled in Triton Junior College

and nearby River Grove, Illinois, studied pre-law. He and fellow Chicago area panthers follow police, watching for brutality, using Hampton's knowledge of the law of self-defense. He also became active in the NAACP. He led 500 members and a youth council there. He was handsome, strong, charismatic. You watch some videos of this guy and you can see right away, he was a natural leader. Within a year of joining the Panthers, he was able to broker a peace treaty between some of Chicago's most powerful and violent street gangs, convincing them that continuing to kill each other would just keep them and their families entrenched in a never-ending cycle of death, poverty, and incarceration. Even more impressive, he forged an alliance between Black Panthers

and the young patriots organization and the young lords this is crazy me the young patriot organization the yp o uh... they were based in a poor uptown neighborhood of chicago known as the as hillbilly harlam uh... in an area populated by displaced white southerners many white p o members were openly racist flaunting controversial symbols associated with Southern pride. But like blacks and Latinos, the white young patrons and their families experienced

discrimination in Chicago in their case because they were poor and from the south. The young lord started off as a Puerto Rican turf gang in Chicago in 1960 had just recently evolved into a civil and human rights movement kind of a Puerto Rican equivalent to the black panthers. They were opening chapters around the nation as well, and they were headquartered in Chicago. And Hampton got these two groups to align with the Black Panthers into what he called the Rainbow Coalition, a term another civil rights leader, the Reverend Jesse Jackson would later adopt. Hampton convinced these groups and members of others that the real problem in America was

not the oppression of one particular minority group, but the oppression of the working class in general. And that the only chance they had to change the system and bring about more economic equality was if they fought together instead of fighting one another. Dude, how slick was this guy? In the 1960s, as a black man, he got racist backwards hillbillies To join his cause, right? I just a picture him approaching them Like one of their rallies like approaching one of the young Patre's at one of the rallies Hey, so what do you guys stand for?

Why why why power? I dig a brother find for your own What wait? What what? Uh, you don't mind you like it? You like what you like why power? Hell yeah, why powers look like black power. This is different shade the same struggle. I Are you are you talking with me? Why power? What wait? That's what I say. I say hey, you know, you know, you're black fellow right? Why power now you say black power, Jethro? Come on, come on. I say why power you right? Why power? Now you say black power, Jethro. Uh, come on, come on. I say, I say white power. You say, uh, uh, black, black power.

Fuck yeah. Feels good. Doesn't Jethro. Yeah. I do kind of like it. I do kind of, I like, I enjoyed it. Black power, black power, black power. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Bang the link the link the link the link the black power. Ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding black power. I don't know what to do. I mean, I just had seen, I was just trying to build it my head. I just love the image. If that were to happen of red Hampton convincing, that's kind of a twitchy kind of hillbilly,

race, why do you like, I go go around here, I don't like it. Come on, come on man, just try, say it one time. Just say black power. No, I ain't gonna say that, no time. We're all part of the same stroke, you can do it. Ha, black power. Oh, okay, all right, I like it, it does sound good. Black power, black power.

Hampton quickly rose to becoming the leader of the Chicago chapter of the Panthers, teaching free political education classes every morning at 6 a.m Organizing a free. I don't know why that's the part that impressed me the most Look it was pretty cool that he taught political education classes for free to people But he fucking did at 6 a.m. You hear what I'm saying? He got it early He would organize free breakfast programs for school children so much more and this is he's 20 years old By mid 1969 he become one of the nationally known faces of the movement

Part of what led Fred to join the movement was the arrest of who would become known as the Chicago 8 You'll also see it called the Chicago 7 because The person we're gonna talk about the 8th member Was actually kind of cleared of charges then it dropped under 7 But anyway, I think a movie might be done the next year or so about the Chicago seven related to the Chicago eight. Chicago eight arrested in 1968. Chicago it was around the revolved around the arrested the 1968 Democratic National Convention was held in Chicago in late August to select that party's candidates for the November 1968 presidential election prior to during the convention, which took place at the international

amphitheater in Chicago Southside rallies demonstration marches and attempted marches took place on the streets and in Lakefront parks about five miles from the convention site. And these activities were primarily in protest of President Johnson's policies for Vietnam. Anti-war groups had petitioned this city of Chicago for permits to march five miles from the central business district to within sight of the convention site to hold a number of rallies, you know, near the convention, to camp in Lincoln Park, and to be in other lakefront parks, the city denied all the permits except for one afternoon rally at the old bandshell to south end of Grant Park. The city also enforced an 11 p.m. curfew in Lincoln Park.

Confrontation with protesters ensued as a police enforced the curfew, stopped attempts to march to the international, international amphitheater and cleared crowds from the streets. The Grant Park rally on Wednesday, August 28, 1968 was attended by about 15,000 protesters. Other nearby activities involved hundreds or thousands of protesters. After the large rally outside of the venue, several thousand protesters attempted to march to the international amphitheater, but were stopped in front of the Conrad Hilton hotel, where the presidential candidates and their campaigns were headquartered. Police work to push the protesters out of the street using tear gas, verbal and physical

confrontation, hitting people with clubs, protesters resounding by throwing rocks and bottles, damaging private commercial property, the police made scores of arrests, the televised television networks, broadcast footage of these violent clashes, powerful images. People being beat by police, people attacking the police. They're cutting away footage from presidential candidates while they're doing this. Over the course of five days and nights, the police made numerous arrests in addition to using tear gas, mace, batons on the marchers. Again, hundreds of police officers and protesters were injured.

Dozens of journalists covering the actions were also club by police or had cameras smashed or had film confiscated in the aftermath of what was characterized as a police riot by the U.S. National Commission on the causes and prevention of violence, a federal grand jury and died at eight demonstrators and eight police officers. And one of the eight demonstrators and died was black panther co-founder Bobby Seale. Charge with conspiracy and inciting a riot. And young Fred Hampton, he's seen all this go down in his city. After being arrested, Bobby said to be a revolutionary is to be an enemy of the state,

to be a wrestler for this struggle is to be a political prisoner. The evidence he can see was very slim. He was a last minute replacement for Elders Cleaver, had been in Chicago for only two days of the convention. During the trial, one of Seal's many protests, one of his many vocal protests, led Judge Julius Hoffman to have him bound and gagged in court. And the image of this gagged black man, you know, bound in court became a huge rallying point for the black liberation movement. I mean, the court made him look like he was a slave. He was treated like an animal.

On November, yeah. On November 5th, 1969, Bobby Seale was removed from the case but was sentenced to four years in prison for 16 counts of contempt in court. Three months for each albars. That's pretty fucked up. You get four years in prison because you're angry about being charged with some bullshit

you didn't do and you get angry about it in court and then you get prison time because of that. I'm always surprised more judges and prosecutors aren't murdered. Not kidding. I'm not saying it should be. Not advocating their death. But if I was put on trial for some bullshit I didn't do. And the judge went like extra hard on me and then I was sentenced to a long term behind

bars when I was for sure innocent. Man, it would be hard. Not to plot the death of that judge or prosecutor. Extra hard on me and then I was sentenced to a long term behind bars when I was for sure innocent. Man, it would be hard not to plot the death of that judge or prosecutor or even certain jury members while I was rotten in prison. Not saying it would be right to kill a judge. I'm just saying if a judge or prosecutor ever railroads me into a guilty verdict for something I didn't do, I am probably going to try and kill you. I just want to put that out there for anybody listening.

So late 1969 or late 1969 she does not go well for Bobby Seal. It's even worse for Fred Hampton, young star of the movement. This is the status part for me in today's episode. The qualities that made Hampton, young Hampton, a rising star in the Panther movement also made him a huge target for the FBI. I cannot emphasize enough how much the FBI fucking hated the black panthers so much. Jay Edgar Hoover would have loved to personally execute with his bare hands every member of the black panthers for trees in front of a live televised audience.

He never said that, that is definitely the feeling you get when you look into this. Like check this out. A few years after all this goes down, a few years after Chicago 8th. And what's gonna happen to Fred Hampton here. In March of 1971, a group of anonymous activists calling themselves a Citizens Commission

to investigate the FBI, broken to a small FBI office in Pennsylvania, stole more than 1,000 FBI documents. They ended up exposing the FBI's co-intel pro program. A secret counterintelligence program created to, as the LA Times would later put it, investigate and disrupt dissident political groups in the US.

According to these documents, Hoover had directed, excuse me, all of the Bureau's offices to expose, disrupt, misdirect, discredit, and otherwise neutralize African-American organizations and leaders, including the Southern Christian Leadership Conference, the Student Nonviolent Coordinating Committee, the Nation of Islam, Martin Luther King, Stokely Carmichael, the Black Panthers, and more. A written goal of the FBI counter-entell program was to prevent, this is a quote, to prevent the rise of

a Black Messiah, who could unify the movement. They also wanted to prevent the appeal of the black Panther Party to black youth. Like this is a stated written goal of the FBI. Okay, so now we know that we know what the FBI's agenda is now back to 1969. Chicago specifically December 3rd. Hampton taught a political education course that evening, not just teaching him in the morning. Sky's doing good shit all the time. He taught a political education course at a local church, which was attended by most members of the local panthers afterwards, as was typical several panthers went to the Monroe Street Department to spend the night, including Hampton's bodyguard William O'Neill, who later admitted to being an FBI informant that had been sent in to infiltrate Hampton's chapter and

get close to Hampton in exchange for dropping some criminal charges against O'Neal. O'Neal made dinner for everyone that night and slipped barbituates into Hampton's drink to sedate him for a planned FBI raid later that evening. O'Neal left this point and at about 1.30 a.m. December 4th, Hampton fell asleep mid-Send's talking to his mother on the telephone. Although Hampton was not known to take drugs, Cook County chemist Elaine Burman, or excuse me, Elaine, Eleanor Burman would report that she ran two separate tests, which each showed evidence of barbituates and Hampton's blood. An FBI chemist would later fail to find similar traces, but Burman stood by her findings. Of course the FBI didn't find shit.

Those murdering Hoover puppet fox would later be found guilty by US court of legally conspiring to destroy the Panthers and also plan the very raid that would take Hampton's young life that night. While the FBI planned the raid, they did not take part in it. At 4 a.m., a heavily armed Cook County police force

arrived at the site divided into two teams, eight in the front of the building, six in the rear at 4.45 a.m., they stormed into the apartment. Mark Clark sitting in the front of the apartment with the shotgun in his lap was on security duty. He was shot in the chest, died instantly. A single round was fired from his gun caused by a reflexive death convulsion after the rating team had shot him. That is the only shot the Panthers would fire that night. Automatic gunfire was converged to the head of the South bedroom where Hampton slept, unable to awake it as a result of the barbituates. He was lying on a mattress in the bedroom with his fiancee who was nine months pregnant with

their child. Two officers found him wounded in the shoulder and fellow black Panther Harold Bell reported that he heard the following exchange. That's Fred Hampton. Is he dead? Bring him out. He's barely alive. He'll make it. Two more shots were then heard, which were later found to have been fired point blank at Hampton's head.

He was executed. According to Johnson, one officer then said, he's as good as dead now. Uh, no, he's good and dead now. The seven panthers who survived the raid were undided by a grand jury on charges of attempted murder, armed violence and various other weapons charges. These charges were subsequently dropped because they were bullshit, trumped up charges. Uh, during the trial, the Chicago police department claimed that the panthers were the first to fire shots.

However, a later investigation found that the Chicago police fired between 90 and 99 shots while the Panthers had fired one time. A decade later, in April 1979, the US 7th Circuit Court of Appeals found that the FBI and its government lawyers had obstructed justice by suppressing the Black Panther Party files and concluded that there was substantial evidence to support the conclusion that the FBI defendants in planning and executing this raid did participate in a conspiracy designed to subvert and eliminate the black Panther Party and its members, thereby suppressing a vital radical black political organization. The court further found there to be convincing evidence that these defendants also participated

in a separate post raid conspiracy to conceal the true character of their pre-raid and raid activities to harass the survivors of the raid and to frustrate any legal redress that the survivors might seek. Hampton's family and the surviving members of the raid did finally get awarded $1.85 million in a settlement from Cook County in in 1982 believed to be the largest civil settlement ever awarded in a civil rights case up into that point given that money because of what happened that night. Man, the government did not like the black panther movement literally assassinated its most prominent, most charismatic young leader. That is beyond fucked up. I mean, ah, again,

love this country man, great country, but anybody who's like, our government doesn't do any, get the fuck out of here. They've done all kinds of shady shit and certain members of our government are undoubtedly doing shady shit right now. Right? No one's like, no, but it's good. No, no, it's not. Power corrupts, man. There are, there are some very corrupt motherfuckers.

We just don't know exactly who they are doing very corrupt shit. We'll learn like 30 years later right now. A month after Fred Hampton's government sanctioned an administered execution, a different black Panther leader is freed. Co-founder, Huey Newton is released on $50,000 bail, pending a retrial after serving 33 months in prison for the death of officer Frey. The free Huey movement has won. Huey Newton has been freed.

He moves into a top floor pen house apartment at 1200 Lakeshore Avenue in Oakland after two retrows to charge against him ultimately dropped. Newton's back, he's in charge, but his return to leadership fragments the movement. In January 1971, Newton expels Geronimo Pratt, who since 1970 had been in jail facing a pending murder charge. Geronimo was a high ranking party member who had served two tours in Vietnam, heavily decorated military. If Pratt's name sounds familiar, it's because it showed up in the Tupac and Biggie Sucks, Sucks 76.

Geronimo was Tupac Shakurs Godfather. Newton also expels two of the New York 21, panther members who have been arrested for a bombing plot one of those members was a feinishikur two-packs mother but that's why eventually collapsed in all twenty one were quit the ball charges fucking fbi man dedicated to destroying the black panther party through continued indictments and incarceration of its members and leaders uh... trumped up indictments bullshit incarceration uh..., Newton also expelled his own secretary who flees the country, kicks her out of the movement.

Newton and various other panthers believe the black panthers should participate in local government and social services. While others thought the black panther, uh, party should be in constant conflict with police. And basically Newton starts to kick out everyone who doesn't agree with his, uh, side of what they should focus on. Now, Eldridge Cleaver, guy we talked about earlier he's on the side of fighting 24-7, 365 days a year, and he gets kicked out too, even though he's basically already out. Cleaver hadn't really been involved in a consistent meaningful way with the movement

outside of rhetoric since 1968, and he fled to Cuba to avoid trial for an attempted murder charge that's spraying from that involvement, or his involvement in that ambush on Oakland police officers we talked about already, that resulted in the death of Bobby Hutton. After a brief stay in Cuba, hanging out with Fidel Castro, Eldrige had bounced to Algeria when Castro learned that the CIA

had been keeping tabs on Eldrige, and since the CIA wanted Castro dead, Castro wanted no part of anyone who was also in their crosshairs. Eldrige set up an international Panther office in Algeria, a nation friendly to black revolutionaries that would not extradite them to the United States. Elders also took a few trips to North Korea after befriending Kim Jong-il. The Black Panther parties publications actually began to reprint excerpts from King Il Sung's

writings. Man, talk about going from the frying pan into the fire. Why would you fuck it online yourself with North Korea? America in general was not a friend of the black man in the 1960s. And I know in some ways it still isn't in certain factions. But holy shit, North Korea wasn't. North Korea wasn't and isn't a friend to any human being on Earth whose name isn't Kim Il Sung, Kim Kim Jong Il or Kim Jong

Un. May 25, 1971 co-founder Bobby Seal gets some good news. He has his murder conspiracy case against him to smist a new haven Connecticut. That was following a suspension of his contempt of court convictions in Chicago. He's freed after 21 months and years. There's a series of charges against these guys, most of which get dropped because they were just they were just trying to incarcerate them to just, uh, yeah, just to gut the movement. Uh, while serving his four year sentence for those contemptive court convictions earlier,

the ones that you know where he was fucking bound and gagging court, seal had been put on trial again in 1970 and in the new Haven Black Panther trials. Several officers of the Panther organization had murdered a fellow Panther Alex Rackley who allegedly confessed under torture to being a police informant of the organization's getting paranoid because they're constantly being infiltrated. The leader of the murder plan leader George Sam's junior turn states evidence testified it's seal who'd visited New Haven only hours before the murder was the one to order him to kill Rackley.

The trials were accompanied by a large protest of the trial in New Haven. The jury was unable to reach a verdict. 1971 is a terrible year overall for the Panthers. Hundreds of party members quit the Black Panther party around the nation, alarmed by both the split between Huey Newton and other members and the violence against its own members. You know, by different factions, brought to light most notably by Bobby Seals case. It will be discovered later that the FBI had sent Newton and Eldridge and other black Panther members various bogus letters, just manipulated him, stoking anger between the two

and they had different, you know, plans in each group. They'd be like, fucking Eldridge man. He's even saying some crazy shit. This guy over here, he wants you fucking dead. Like they just put people in their organizations to constantly foster an environment of paranoia and just get the members to kill each other. In 1971, the FBI actually dedicated a budget of $7.4 million to pay and farmers to harass and intimidate the Panthers. That is more than twice the amount they budgeted for informers and organized

crime that year. Between 1969 and 1971, at least four panthers were shot to death by other panthers because of feuds created and perpetuated by FBI informants. In early 1972, Newton shuts down various black Panther chapters around the country due to infighting created because of FBI disinformation. Hoover eventually calls the FBI off of the panthers, satisfied that they will continue to tear each other apart. And we know that based on statements in leaked FBI documents, the underground remnants of the Los Angeles Black Panthers chapter eventually reemerged as the crypts, a powerful street gang,

a street gang that advocated social reform before it got into crime. Did you know that crypts may stand for community resources for independent people? Uh, I didn't either before the suck. I swear to God, this is one of my weird lies. Uh, bloods and crypts suck. Anyone, I think it'd be fast. Any, can our space listeners please vote that up and full disclosure, while some gang historians do, uh, point to the crypts coming out of the black pant at the party, others

say that the word crib evolves out of the word crib. A word gang founders, tuky-woolumes and ravenwashed and possibly used to describe various factions of their gangs. I'll look further into the etymology of the word crib if we hopefully suck that topic someday. Okay, so the black community's survival conference is held at the Oakland Civic Auditorium on March 29th, 1972. This was one of the last kind of big, cool things. The panzers are able to pull off 10,000 bags of groceries are given away with canned goods on the bottom, packaged goods in the middle and a four pound chicken and every bag. Pretty cool. June 24th, 1972, Bobby Seal announced his candidacy for mayor of Oakland, Panther Elaine Brown, announces her candidacy for city council, both loose. Elaine Brown does remain a social activist living in Oakland to this day.

This hurts the party, you know, it's just, uh, uh, they just assigned that they're not gaining momentum. They're losing power now. In early 1974, leader Huey Newton, uh, embarks on a major black panther party purge, expelling co-founder Bobby Seal and Bobby's younger brother, John. He kicks out numerous other top party leaders, dozens of other panthers loyal to Seale, resign or desert. In August of 1974, Newton allegedly murders Kathleen Smith, a teenage prostitute and is also charged with pistol whipping, his tailor pressed in callins.

Weird sighting on that kind of supposedly, if he did kill them, he killed them because he was getting pretty heavy into drugs around this point and was kind of had a hair trigger temper. And supposedly both just referred to him as baby, which was a nickname. He had as a kid that he fucking hated. Newton reportedly confides to friends that Smith is his first non-political murder.

He flees a Cuba, a Lane Brown takes over leadership in his absence. For all intent and purposes, the movement's dead at this point, barely hanging on an Oakland, really only surviving through a few social programs, most notably the Oakland Community School, which it opened in 1973 to educate the children of Panthers, had about 150 kids attending it. In December of 1974, Panther accounted Betty Van Patter as murdered, after threatening to disclose irregularities in the party's finances. Van Patter goes missing on December 12th, 1974, and her severely beaten corpse is found on a San Francisco's Bay

Beach. Newton later allegedly confesses to friends that he ordered Van Patten's murder and Van Patten had been tortured and raped before being killed. In 1977, Newton returns from Cuba to face murder charges, but not before meeting people's temple leader, former Sucks subject, and Jones town co-leader Jim Jones and Havana. How weird is that? Remember Jimmy Jones? Strange, strange, Jimmy Jones. Jimmy was a die-hard communist by 1977 and a former major figure in the Bay Area Civil Rights Movement where they had met previously. What a crazy connection. Newton actually spoke to temple members in

Jones town via telephone, expressing support for Jim Jones and what he was doing in Guyana. Anyone familiar with the Jonestown massacre knows that the Communist experiment Jim created did not work out too well in the end. Newton's cousin Stanley Clayton was one of the few residents of Jonestown to escape the area before the 1978 mass murder of 900 roughly, roughly 900 Temple members by Jonest and his fanatics through forced suicide through drinking that flavorate. In October 1977, three black panthers attempt to assassinate Crystal Gray, a key prosecution

witness in Newton's upcoming trial, who have been president of the day of Kathleen Smith's murder. The organization, once based in the liberation of black Americans, has now devolved into little more than a gang. Unbeknownst to the assailants, they attacked the wrong house and the occupant returned fire. During the shootout, one of the panthers Lewis Johnson was killed, the other two assailants escaped. During Newton's trial for assaulting Preston Collins, Collins changed his testimony several

times. Eventually told the jury he didn't know who assaulted him. That's suspicious. Newton was acquitted of the assault in September 1978. He was convicted of a legal firearms possession. After the assassination attempt on Crystal Gray, she declined to testify against Newton. So after two trials and two deadlocked juries, the prosecution decided not to retry Newton for Smith's murder. Then in 1980, Newton earned a PhD in the social philosophy program of the history of consciousness at the University

of California, Santa Cruz. 1982, the remnants of the Black Panther Party officially and totally dissolve. The Oakland Community School closes. Newton is charged with embezzling $600,000 from the school. He sentenced to six months after completing no contest, stealing 15,000 in state aid intended for the school. Seven years later, on August 22nd, 1989, Huey Newton, 47 years old, is shot to death on a West Oakland street by gang member Tyrone Robinson allegedly over a drug deal. Robinson is convicted

of murder. Newton had been allegedly involved in drug dealing, according to numerous interviews with former panthers for years by this point. The other co-founder Bobby Seale is alive and well. 82 years young still touring the country as a social activist. How cool is that shit? You can find Bobby Seale's schedule by googling his name and then clicking the news results and digging around. He does have a website, but the website is the website

one would expect from an 82 year old man. It does not have two or dates. Someone help Bobby out and that takes us out of today's time stock timeline. Good job, soldier. You made it back. Barely. No it is on the internet today because it's essentially just a repeat of last week's it is on the internet. Just replace anti-Semitic rhetoric with even more aggressive anti-Black rhetoric and then add tons of aggressively anti-white racism and then add a bunch of death to all cops

rhetoric. Are there a lot of good comments as well? Yeah, there are. The history of panthers is the complicated one. Black Americans including the panthers is a complicated one. And black Americans, including the panthers, were for sure oppressed. They were the victims of untold incidents, and police brutality. They were the victims of a government conspiracy to take them down. The victims of racism. And then sadly, many also became racists themselves.

I just can't get behind that. I just, I don't like the rally of black power. Like I said earlier, any more than the rally of white power. It's meat sack power. Meat sack power or no power for me, hail them, Rod. The fight to me is about greater economic equality and equal opportunity to fight for your dreams, for every color of meat sack. I guess I'm more doctor king than Malcolm X.

But easy for me to say is a why dude. Again, easy for me to say, never had a cop get rough with me, never been asked to use a separate bathroom or been threatened by strangers to do the color of my skin. Many panthers took anger, you know, towards many racist cops, which I get as much as I can, and turned that into rage towards all cops, which I can't condone. But again, easy for me to say, easy for me to play armchair revolutionary. Do I think that everything the panthers do was great? Obviously no, but I'm glad they existed

because much of what they did and stood for and symbolized was I feel necessary to enact social change, social changes that needed to happen. At their best, they were fucking superheroes. Real superheroes, not Marvel creations. You know, they bravely showed other oppressed black Americans that you do not have to just bend over and take it.

You can stand up and stand up proud for your rights and I think the black American needed them to do that in the 1960s And they were also complicated. They were imperfect heroes like all real-life heroes are Now and some of them became villains some of them were villains posing as revolutionaries It was a very fragmented group just like all cops weren't bad, you know all panthers weren't good Cleaver comes off like a fucking maniac. To me, a hard to get behind a guy who blames committing rape on racial oppression. Fred Hampton comes across like a savior, you know, he was the black Messiah that the FBI

was so afraid of. Would love to pop into an alternate reality, some other dimension where the FBI and Chicago police did not murder him in cold blood and just see what amazing shit he did for not only black America but for America in general. That's saying only the good die young seems to have been written about him. Dude seems from every single thing I could find written about him from every speech I watched him give to be a fucking saint of a human being. Then there was co-founder Huey Newton. Such a complicated dude man.

He did a lot of good with the social justice programs, but then may have also killed several people. I watched interviews with several former high ranking panthers that said that, you know, he was just never the same after he was freed from prison. His mood was unpredictable. He allegedly assaulted verbally, physically, and even sometimes sexually several other Panther members. Some former members said he was a violent drug addicted psychopath in his later

years ruling the Panthers. But Newton was also a public, publicly a very important symbol for young black Americans. He was handsome, he was strong. I mean, dude, it's fucking jacked. Looked like an action figure. He was brave. He didn't take shit from anyone, especially if they were white. He was charismatic. He was an incredibly intelligent leader. He didn't just get a doctorate handed to him. I should also point out that there, you know, wasn't just dudes in the Panthers, there were a lot of female members. And I feel terrible for many of them, even though they were part of a revolution against oppression against racism, they still faced oppression internally. They still face sexism from both white and black America. The Panthers were still

a patriarchal organization and many of them of the women left early in the movement. I mean, how much must that have sucked? To be fighting a fight for equal rights based on your skin color, only to have to also fight a fight within your revolution for equal rights based in your genitalia. Never thought this suck would leave me to think about Oprah Winfrey, but it did. Oprah Winfrey, man, she became an industry leader. As a black woman in America, I got a little glimpse of how hard that must be, a tiny glimpse in this suck.

I mean, he'll lose to Fina, always liked Oprah, but respect her even more right now. I feel like hitting this fucking button again. Yes, I get it. I, as much as I can get it, only shit. What black women specifically have had to overcome in this country is fucking mind boggling No wonder are either saying the shit out of this song

So what's the legacy of the Panthers? What is their lasting impact in word in word is complicated? You know at the worst for an organization founded as response to racism money their members ended up being pre-races themselves. At their best, extremely inspirational, they inspired a new generation of black Americans to be strong, to love themselves, to love being black, to not lay down and give up when it came to racism. Real stories just don't often fit into convenient narratives that play out like they're written for a TV melodrama. Life is fucking complicated. You can think that the black pants are a freedom-fiding inspirational heroes, and you're right complicated. You can think that the black panthers were freedom fighting inspirational heroes and you're right. And you can think that the black panthers

were violent, racist, cop killing criminals and you're right. You know, it depends on which one you're talking about and which era and it's just again so complicated. What I love about the panthers, what I found most inspiring about this suck was their fighting spirit. It is so easy just to take it in life. So easy just to bitch and never actually fight, really fight for what you believe in. So easy to talk about, you know, to talk to talk, but now walk the walk,

the panthers. While you may not agree with some or even any of their messages, they walked the fuck out of their talk, right? They stood up for their convictions, they fought for their convictions. Some of them fucking died for those convictions. Outman and outgunned, they stood up for their convictions, they fought for their convictions. Some of them fucking died for those convictions. Outmaned and outgunned, they refused to stand down when it came to stand up to the man. They fought the powers that be, I got public enemy going on my head now.

And the powers that be may have won, but they still fought them. How many of us have ever fought for our ideals as hard as some of the panthers fought for their. Something to think about time now for top five takeaways. Time. Shut up. Five take away. Number one, the Black Panther Party originally named the Black Panther Party for self-defense was an African-American revolutionary party founded in 1966 in Oakland, California by

Huey Newton and Bobby Seal. The party's original purpose was to patrol African-American neighborhoods to protect residents from acts of police brutality. Number two, the black panthers formed in the wake of Malcolm X's assassination and during a period of tremendous social upheaval and unrest in America when riots and protests were commonplace in America and when African-Americans were statistically extremely disproportionately disenfranchised compared to any other race of Americans. Number three, California's comparatively tough gun laws can be traced back to the Mulfur

Act of 1967, a law passed in response to the Black Panthers. I had no idea the Black Panthers inspired a trend to push for tighter and tighter gun control measures that have continued to this day. Number four, the Black Panther Party officially dissolved in 1982 and co-founder Huey Newton died in a drug-related murder in 1989. Newton's funeral was held at Allen Temple Baptist Church, where he was a member of some 1,300 mourners were accommodated inside and another five to six hundred listened to the service from outside.

The other co-founder, Bobby Seale, continues to preach social activism and stand up to the man to this day with somebody please help him with his website. And number five, new info. Let's talk for a second about the new black panthers. There is currently a black nationalist organization in the United States called the black panthers. They formed or the new black panthers. They formed in Dallas, Texas, 1989. They consider themselves to be the successors to the original Black Panther Party. They are

not. Co-founder Bobby Seal has been very, very clear over and over again. I've watched him say it in speeches. He cannot stand them. In a speech, I watched Mr. Seal tell the audience that they deserve a huge thumbs down. And then what they stand for is totally antithetical to what Bobby's panthers stood for when he began the movement the southern poverty law center the group that helped cut the balls off the KKK America labels the new black panther party a hate group they preach insanely racist rhetoric they are not revolutionaries they're hate mongers collid Abdul Muhammad one of the party's future leaders,

at this point when he said this in 1994, said, our lessons talk about the blood suckers of the poor. It's that old no good Jew, that imposter Jew, that old hook nose, bagel eating, locks eating Johnny, completely perpetrating a fraud, just crawled out of the caves and hills of Europe, so-called damn Jew. That's, he said that I had a fucking speech in 1994.

King Samir Shabaz, former head of the parties, Philadelphia chapters, had the following in a National Geographic documentary in 2009. He said, just straight up, I hate white people, all of them. Every last Iota of a cracker, I hate it. We didn't come out here to play today. There's too much serious business going on in the black community to be out here, sliding through South Street with white dirty cracker, whore bitches on our arms, and we call ourselves black men.

What the hell is wrong with you black man? You're at a doomsday with a white girl on your damn arm. We keep begging white people for freedom. No wonder we're not free. Your enemy cannot make you free fool. You want freedom, you're going to have to kill some crackers. You're going to have to kill some of their babies. Wow!

Well, King Samir, you have just had your invite to join the cult of the curious fucking provoked. Don't like that attitude. You're not on team meets sack. You don't get to join the cult of the curious fucking provoked. Don't like that attitude. You're not on team meets sack. You don't get to join the private Facebook group, and you're not welcome on Discord. And I changed your name to King Go fuck yourself. Held him right.

Time suck, tough five takeaways. Whoo, black panthers have been sucked. Man, that was a tricky suck. I worked a lot of extra hours on that one, a lot of overtime, so much to absorb, so much consider. I feel like I could spend weeks and weeks and weeks and weeks on that one month and still be like, oh, I should've said this or I should've said that.

I hope I did it some justice. Hope my black meat sacks know I love them. Hope my white meat sacks know I love them too and hope my law enforcement meat sacks know I love you guys and gals and that you don't deserve to be unjustly attacked any more than citizens do. To quote arguably the most famous victim of police brutality in the past several decades, Rodney King.

Can we all just get along? Okay, thank you to the time stock team. Thanks to the Queen of the Suck Lindsey comments, high priest is the Suck Harmony Vella Camp, Jesse Guardian of Grammar Dobner, Reverend Dr. Joe Paisy, time, high priest as a sub-harmony fellow camp, Jesse Guardian of Grammar Doughbner, Reverend Dr. Joe Paisy, time-sug high priest Alex Dugan, the guys at Bidelixer, Dangerbrain, Axis apparel, Sophie, Fact, Sorceress Evans. Thanks for the fine research to get me started. Great meeting you in person by the way, Sophie, in New Jersey at the stress factory.

I got the shirt on right now, the stress factory. Let's talk about a community real quick. Have you joined the Cult Decurious Private Facebook group? Have you? And again, Samir, fuck not you, not you. There's almost 7,000 time suckers in the private Cult Decurious group on Facebook, maybe more actually now.

And almost 1,500 Discord members linked the Discord chatroom messaging app right on the time stock app, linked to the private Facebook group and the Discord channel also in today's episode description. Next week, I I encourage more potential controversy with these spaces are chosen topic of pedophile island. What is pedophile island? The Washington State Department of Social and Health Services operates

special commitment center, SCC programs that provide specialized mental health treatment for civilly committed sex offenders who have completed their prison sentences. The island was initially considered Uncle Secret's island and brother touchy fingers, but they went with special commitment center. Of course, that's fucked up. Not true. Superior courts in the county, in which an individual was previously convicted of a sex crime, have the authority now in Washington

to determine if individuals meet the legal definition of a sexually violent predator and then can civilly commit them to the SEC, which is legal speak for sending them to an island where they're not allowed to leave after their prison sentence has been completed. And they're just kept there until they're no longer deemed a threat

to sexually reoffend, they could potentially be kept there until they die. Is this the best way to deal with pedophiles? How big of a problem are pedophiles? How many are out there? How often do they victimize? How many lives have been negatively affected by pedophiles and other sex offenders?

Do they even deserve rehabilitation? Can they even be rehabilitated? Tune in next Monday for a deep dive on a very uncomfortable subject. Tune in now for today's Time Sucker Updates. First update is felt very apropos today for today's topic. The first update comes in from a long time law enforcement sucker. I've met several times who wishes to remain unnamed in this message. And he writes, Hey guys, I wanted to bring this to your attention.

I know how much you appreciate the sacrifices made by law enforcement in this country. Lucas Dau embodies everything. His last name implies do well. Yeah. Dau is spelled do well. And and this anonymous time sucker sent me a link to an article about Virginia State trooper Lucas B. Dau, who was killed when someone inside a home fire to weapon at police executing a search warrant warrant during a recent drug investigation.

The person who killed trooper Dowl identified, applied police as Cory Johnson of Cumberland County was shot and killed by police. And our fellow meat sack continues with, I trained him when he first hit the road and he was a shift partner for many years before leaving the Charlottesville area. Man, I am so sorry, buddy, this happened.

If you do mention anything on a future episode, please leave my name out of it. Yep, I don't want to attract anything away from this. I don't want, I don't bring this to you because I want sympathy or attention. He was a good trooper. The kind, everyone would be proud to have working for them and everyone should know the sacrifice he made.

And then he writes, whether you are four or against drugs, I hope none of our listeners is for killing cops. This is just the kind of thing I think about when people refer to drug use as a victimless crime. I don't mean to offend anyone, but I just learned of this as it happened about nine hours ago, and I'm still processing my anger. Thank you for who you are and what you believe in.

Thank you for the cold of the curse. Thank you, man. And what a, I mean, absolutely terrible that this happened. I am so glad though that you did send in a message right away. How, how perfect for, for this week, just to, just a reminder that yes, there are a lot of great law enforcement officers out there and they sacrifice so much to keep us safe, to keep people of every color safe. And there are law enforcement officers of every color.

Uh, thank you for being an incredible, uh, law enforcement officer. I, I base that on numerous interactions I've had with you with many stories You've sent in over the past few years thoughts go out with you. Obviously, I can't name you on the show But thanks for sending this message in now. We'll shift gears lighten things up with the hilarious message from time sucker Haley for who writes Dan I listened to the inspirational episode This is one of the ones over the holidays and you talked about how the mom ate peanut butter while she was pregnant and her babies And it ended up causing her baby skeleton to grow outside of his body. I flipped the ever I flipped the ever loving fuck out. I ate peanut butter all the time and I'm three weeks away from delivering. I was so convinced that my baby was

Well, I'm so I was so convinced that my baby was gonna have an exoskeleton which is fucking stupid because this is my second baby and I've seen 3D ultrasounds of her. She is not in fact an ant baby, you fuckface. Every episode, you say some shit that gets me. The first one I can remember was during the episode about Teddy Roosevelt. You said that the teddy bear was named after him can remember was during the episode about Teddy Roosevelt.

You said that the Teddy bear was named after him because you got caught wearing a woman's Teddy. Totally believed you. It's literally happened during every episode. I believed you like many others when you mentioned that people used to fuck dogs and caves or some shit. And I believed you because of the toy box killer episode. I was like, oh, so maybe he just had that nasty desire too.

And it made complete sense to me. You're an asshole. I'm a separate note. I love your podcast. I'm finally cut up and having withdrawals. I love that you donate money every month and that you've changed so many people's lives. I have become much more open minded and even enjoyed the podcast. I didn't want to listen to what's I love hearing that. I forced myself to listen to all of them and end up loving all of them because of the ways to present the information andatswis you throw into each one. I know, lately I feel like I've been pulling a little bit away from every because I want people to get lulled

into a false sense of security. On a separate note, I know you get so many requests for shout outs, but I would so much appreciate it if you could give my boyfriend Dominica shout out. He is the most amazing person. He works on the weekends, do inside jobs to make extra money for us. Then comes home and cooks and plays with our three-year-old daughter.

Like I mentioned before, we're having our second daughter on the 25th. He has gone above and beyond to make sure that we're ready for her arrival. To give you an example of the kind of person he is, we were driving around one day and it was ridiculously hot outside. This was back when he drove around conducting CNA, hospice visits, and we saw a homeless man in the side of the road that he apparently saw frequently. He told me that he keeps a case of water bottles in his car and when he has the chance, he gives the homeless water bottles so they don't have to become dehydrated.

He is unbelievably caring and selfish and does what he can for anyone and everyone around him even if he doesn't know them. He's the best thing to ever happen to me and my little girls and he is the one that introduced me to your comedy and time six. So I love him even more. He's an inspiration to me every day. I understand if you're not able to announce this, but it would mean the world to me. If he heard you read this, it's my face.

Again, thank you. You beautiful soccer for all you do, hoping to be a space to do soon so we can help keep times that going. Haley Ford, thank you, Haley. And thank you, Dominic, for being a good dude. Love how much you two are love. Man, life is fucking short. Spend as much of it as you can with love in your hearts.

I don't care that sounds corny as fuck's true. Love love says the angry bearded air banjo playing Idaho man. Now, a Mothman update coming in from Time Sucker, John DeVorechec, John writes, most holy pontificated, Pope, Pope is suck. I write to inform you that Rich Hadam, the screenwriter of the Richard Gear

Mothman Prophecy's film, admitted to completely making up the Mothman at Chernobyl thing. I did not know that. I love these updates. The film ends by alluding to other Mothman sightings from around the globe. Oh, I don't think I ever watched it to that point, I guess.

Right? It's forgotten so many years. The podcast, Estonishing Legends, plug, time, suck, many moons ago, and their endorsement is how I arrived with the cult to curious. I love both time, suck, and Estonishing, and me too, me. Those guys are great. And well, Rich Hadam is a friend of theirs

and has been on a few Estonishing episodes. He specifically admits that he made the whole Chernobyl thing up. So no moth man there, John. Thank you, John. Man, I love those kind of updates. Yeah, because I did not come across that. And now another funny one, this one, this one killed me.

This is, I believe this is, yeah, this is the last one for today. Subject line of your such an asshole that comes in from Time Sucker Greg Hawk to our fearless Suck Master. I truly love your podcast. I'm a mailman. I am in and out of businesses,

walking through neighborhoods and driving along services, or driving along servicing curbside mailboxes. It's usually mind numbing lonely work. I listen to various podcasts throughout the day through earbuds because, well, because of you mainly. I look forward to your podcasts like no other, I listen to fucking yes! Your show informs entertains me

through two parts of my work week. I'm an OG space. I mean, thank you for being a space. It's used to be three, but I forgive you for that. Oh, yeah, the bonus sucks were a fucking killing me. Listening today to the black death episode, I knew I would be using a new sign off for my emails. I have been using my favorite quote from your shows, loved everything about it. Wouldn't change a thing two out of five stars.

It's that joke still funny. Originally, that was going to be the entirety of my email today, but then the letter you read to close the show, changed the tone of dismissive. It's one thing to be walking along delivered mail and have to stop it on doing because I'm laughing so hard that snobbubbles are forming, but it's something else to have to wipe away tears and be sniffing like a pre-pubescent girl that just got her heart broken by the boy in class that ignored her. How about a heads up, you asshole? How about a fucking spoiler alert or something?

That letter was so well written and so poignant, I contend that only a cyborg wouldn't sniff all a little after hearing you read that. That poor man has all the sympathy I have to give, I can only imagine the hell he's experiencing. It is truly one of the worst things that a parent can go through. I've had scares with my kids and grandkids now, but nothing in comparison to this. Thank you for your decision to make the spacers donation to help in some small way.

I'll be adding and checking my own in the following days. Load the Greg, aim the Greg, fire the Greg. Hail Nimrod, Greg Hark. A perfect note to end and on today Greg. Thanks for being so great man and all of them that as well. Load the Greg. Aim the Greg. File the Greg.

Thanks, time suckers. I need a net. We all did. Have a great week everyone. Another secret suck on Thursday for you space lizards. Thank you again for the donation money. Petophile Island! Next Monday.

And if you start a revolution this week, please let every meat sack of every color be a part of it. And make sure, while you're freedom fighting, that you keep on sucking. fucking oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh Got damn it, Paisy! Air Base! Get in here! Get in here! You need to get in here! You can't hear it!