Timesuck with Dan Cummins - 130 - Casey Anthony - Free and Guilty?

Episode Date: March 11, 2019

Liar, liar, pants on fire. Wow! I have never read about someone who told lies - big lies - more often and consistently than Casey Anthony. On July 5, 2011, a Florida jury found Casey Anthony “not guilty” of counts one through three regarding first-degree murder, aggravated manslaughter of a child, and aggravated child abuse. However, many people, including myself, think she definitely killed her young daughter. Why do I think that she for sure, 100% did it? Find out on today's "how the Hell did the jury make that decision?" edition of Timesuck! Upcoming Happy Murder Tour Standup dates: March 28 Naples, Florida - Off the Hook Comedy Club CLICK HERE for tix! March 30 Miami, Florida - The Improv CLICK HERE for tix! April 4-6 Cleveland, Ohio - Hilarities CLICK HERE for tix! April 11th Des Moines, Iowa - The Funny Bone CLICK HERE for tix! April 12-13 Kansas City, Missouri - The Improv CLICK HERE for tix! ** LIVE ANT HILL KIDS CULT TIMESUCK April 6 Cleveland - Hilarities CLICK HERE for tix! ** LIVE ANT HILL KIDS CULT TIMESUCK April 14 Nashville - Zanies CLICK HERE for tix! Listen to the best of my standup on Spotify! (for free!) https://spoti.fi/2Dyy41d Timesuck is brought to you by the following sponsors: The OZY Confidential podcast. Listen wherever you listen to podcasts! The Great Courses Plus! Get two full months for just 99 cents at TheGreatCoursesPLUS.com/TIMESUCK Watch the Suck on Youtube (new and improved audio!): https://youtu.be/4BeYZclQlM8 Merch - https://badmagicmerch.com/ Want to try out Discord!?! https://discord.gg/tqzH89v Want to join the Cult of the Curious private Facebook Group? Go directly to Facebook and search for "Cult of the Curious" in order to locate whatever current page hasn't been put in FB Jail :) For all merch related questions: https://badmagicmerch.com/pages/contact Please rate and subscribe on iTunes and elsewhere and follow the suck on social media!! @timesuckpodcast on IG, @timesuckpodcast on Twitter, and http://www.facebook.com/timesuckpodcast Wanna be a Space Lizard? We're over 4000 strong! Click here: https://www.patreon.com/timesuckpodcast Sign up through Patreon and for $5 a month you get to listen to the Secret Suck, which will drop Thursdays at Noon, PST. You'll also get 20% off of all regular Timesuck merch PLUS access to exclusive Space Lizard merch. You get to vote on two Monday topics each month via the app. And you get the download link for my new comedy album, Feel the Heat. Check the Patreon posts to find out how to download the new album and take advantage of other benefits!

On July 5, 2011, a Florida jury found Casey Anthony not guilty of counts one through three regarding first degree murder, aggravated manslaughter of a child, and aggravated child abuse. The mother of the two-year-old girl she was accused of killing sobbed in the courtroom, Casey's parents Cindy and George Anthony left the courtroom as the judge read further instructions to the jury, they did not approach their daughter or talk to her or celebrate her being found innocent. Outside of the courtroom, spectators awaiting the verdict were devastated. People comfort each other and cried one man remarking that Casey Antony should leave town because she's not welcome in Orlando. One woman said the verdict is going to make millions of people think they can get away with killing their child. That isn't a good depiction of what our justice system is like or should be. Another woman said, I just think it's

going to make millions of people think they can get away with killing their child or committing major crimes and getting away with it. This isn't a good depiction of what our justice system is like or should be. Pretty consistent response there, New York Times Square, a huge crowd had gathered to watch the vertical and giant TV monitors. The reaction was outrage as well. I'm sick, you know, she killed a little girl said, one, one. So she gets off and she goes home and maybe has another baby that she can abuse and hurt. Casey was found guilty on counts four through seven for providing false information to law enforcement.

After getting credit for time served during the trial, Casey is released from prison 12 days later on July 17, 2011. And a lot of people have been pretty pissed off ever since about it. Did the jury get it wrong that day? I certainly think they did after looking it all over. If listening to a tale of someone obviously getting away with murder, in my opinion, upsets you that I think there was a very good chance that today's tale is going to get you pretty fired up.

I found this story strangely riveting though as well. Draw your own conclusions and hear mine today on a how in the hell did this happen addition of Time Suck? To talk suck. Hey, you Monday, meat, sacks, working, weight. It's time for time, suck. Sorry about my voice, nothing I could do. Man, this is the cold that will not go away. I don't know what's going on in your neck, the woods, but up here in Idaho, actually a lot of places I've been traveling.

It is just the cold that will not end. I've talked to so many people, so many people who have the exact, Lindsey has it. Joe Reverend Dr. Joe had it. Just one of the gross shows this morning got some more cold medicine. That lady had it working the checkout register. She said that everybody she knows has had it nasty. Lingerse. Thanks to our spacelers again for supporting the show via Patreon and for that is donate $1800 this month to back a Bikers against child abuse felt right to donate to back after the pedophile island and Pedro Lopez sucks and with Casey Anthony right now Just feels good to give to an organization that is working to prevent child abuse Link in the episode description if you want to learn more about this wonderful organization or donate yourself. I'm Dan Cummins, Suck Nasty, Prophet and Imrod, Bal sack

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oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, small city about twenty thousand people just over ten miles northwest of murder town USA aka young ten Ohio niles as mostly famous as being the birthplace of the twenty fifth president of the United States will you mccinley born there in eighteen forty three so you know niles is mostly just not known because most people don't care about president mccinley i i constantly forget he was a president

uh... mccinley mostly known for being assassinated six months into a second term by one leon chulgosh a second generation Polish anarchist slash lunatic. Did you know that Polish people are ten times more likely to be assassins than any other type of person? I actually just read that study that I just wrote. George and Cindy fell in love. They got married.

They had sex off their enough to get pregnant. The couple's first child, Lee Anthony was born November 20th, 1982. In 1985, Cindy convinced George to leave his job after 10 years as a deputy in the Trumbull County Sheriff's Office and go to work with his father who owned Anthony's auto sales and service. On March 19th, 1986, George and Cindy had their second child, Casey Marie Anthony, who shared her mother's middle name and initials, CMA Sure left cases birthing sourd for George his new job George would later say that he went to work for his dad with the understanding that he was to take over the family business

But that didn't happen instead his dad fired him in fact his father fired him after the two got into a physical fight at work According to multiple sources the two men were arguing at the dealership one day when Lee shoved George then George Push his father back with enough force to crash the older man through a plate glass window. And then he got cut up. Had to go to the hospital. Being fired by his father after trying to satisfy Cindy by leaving his police work behind, reportedly sent George into an intense depression. According to Cindy's brother, brother Rick, George tried to kill himself after losing his

job, saying he took a whole bottle of aspirin, had to have a stomach pumped out. Yeah, that's a, that's a tough day. When you get fired from the job, you left your previous career for and the person who fires you is your dad, who, who you pushed through window. Now you can't even ask the person you traditionally asked to borrow money from when times are tough, right? That's awkward. Dad, dad, can I please borrow some money?

I just, I can't, listen. Things have been really roughly, I just got fired from work. Yeah, yeah, I know, I know dumb shit. I fired you and get the fuck out of my house. A 1987 George took out a second mortgage on the family home to finance his own car business. I'll teach dad.

You don't wanna bring me back to my car business? I'll form my own. You can open up a used car lock called George Anthony's Auto Sales. All right, during 1977, so knowing what I think it was, Anthony's Auto Sales place. It's, nah, this is George Anthony's. Okay, this is a good Anthony, the better Anthony Auto place. I love that he tried to compete against Dad,

and it doesn't go well. What an ego slap. 1989 George's dealership has gone out of business, and then George loses his family't go well. What an ego slap. 99 George's dealership has gone out of business. And then George loses the family home as well. Still doesn't get rehired or helped out by dad who is still running a successful card dealership in the same town. That's so uncomfortable.

Dead please, can I please borrow some money? I just, listen, I just lost the home. I just lost the card dealership. Yeah, of course you lost it. You are really bad at selling cars. That's part of why I fired you. Because you fucking terrible. You're just gonna get out my house. The financial roller coaster for the Anthony's would continue throughout Casey's life. City's parents have moved to Mount Dora, Florida, less than 30 miles northeast of Orlando shortly

before the Anthony's lost her home. And Cindy talked to George into moving near her parents. She got hired as a nurse by an orthopedic surgeon and way they went. They managed to buy another home by assuming a high interest loan held by the family that had been living at 4937 Hope Spring Drive. Hope Spring Drive, irony of ironies. No hope would spring from this drive. No hope would spring from this home for the Anthony family. Cindy and George closed on the place for $90,000 on October 4, 1989.

KC was 3.5 years old. Her brother Lee was almost seven. The two kids soon made friends. The neighborhood started living in a pretty normal childhood. Unless you believe what KC would later say about her childhood during her defense, during her trial. And based on a troubling pattern of behavior that you will soon see, includes a preposterous amount of lies. Many of them documented by law enforcement. Some of those lies she was found guilty and charged with crimes for. I do not believe anything that Kaseh Anthony says. I have never read about another person who doesn't have like a blatant documented mental

illness who lies more often and more consistently and more outrageously than Kaseh Anthony. It's fucking crazy. It made this suck extremely interesting to research. George initially, I got a job at the Orlando Sentinel as a paper route manager, supervising the drivers who made home deliveries of the paper with both parents working, Lee and Casey spent a lot of time together formed a close bond.

George would intermittently be employed throughout Casey's childhood. Her mother Cindy would work consistently. In grade school in junior high, Casey was by all accounts, a pretty normal kid and a good student. She got good grades, didn't exhibit any behavioral problems at school. She was active in a few different sports. She won like a citizenship award.

She had plenty of friends. She developed a close friendship with a neighbor girl named Jessica Kelly. At Liberty Middle School in Orlando, Jessica introduced Casey to someone who just moved to hopes ring drive. Keo Marie Torres, the three girls became close friends. She remained friends with them for years. Casey formed another friendship that

were last three years in middle school with Melina Calabries or Calabriesie. They met in seventh grade when they were in the same class for English and math. They were both boy crazy. Casey, by the way, gets real, real boy crazy in a few years, like real boy crazy. I'd say he'll lose to Fina,

but lose to Fina wants nothing to do is Casey Anthony. She doesn't care for it, and obviously, I think she might feel kind of threatened by her. Casey Anthony is definitely a she devil of a different sort. When Casey's in junior high, George injures his knee, loses his job with the Orlando Sentinel. After rehabbing from his accident, he lands a service position at a pest control company.

And then one day, his George heads into a customer's house. He trips over a curb, lands on his bad knee. He can now barely walk. And once again, he's out of a job. And I feel like there's more of these firings than just a little bit of knee trouble. Like if he would have been an awesome valued employee, I feel like he keeps his job. Just my opinion. And this is just based on George coming across. It's quite the consistent fuck up in a lot of this tale.

According to what he told his family, George gets bored rehabbing his knee. He's home alone for days at a time with a help of credit card. He is obtained without his wife's and his knowledge. He starts gambling online. And then he gets another credit card and another and another maxing out each line of credit in order to kick so much fucking ass gambling. He turns $20,000 worth of credit into just under half a million dollars in cash gambling online like people often do.

I cannot recommend online gambling. If you're having any kind of money problems, if you're having any kind of relationship problems, get online and get to gambling it is the safest fastest most effective way to make a lot of money is mind-boggling to me how many people choose to have jobs and work when they can easily just be fucking crushing it on online casinos of course that's not true uh... that that tail never works out that way. No, George puts his family tens of thousands of dollars in debt instead of just rehabbing

his knee and getting a fucking job like a regular person. Lindsey and I actually joked that if we had to pick between one of the other or the other, excuse me, we would rather be cheated on physically instead of fiscally, truly. I'd be able to forgive Lindsey more easily for a random one-night stand than I would that I would if she just pissed away our financial future behind my back like fuck that. That to me is more devastating of a betrayal. Like you can sometimes work through a to adultery with some therapy. You can't therapy your way back into restoring your old 401k balance. The secret life that George leads here is important to mention because a short time later,

Casey will begin to lead her own secret life. And I just wondered like did she learn from dad's example? Did she rationalize that it was okay to lie and hide parts of her life and make shit up? Now to not get in trouble because that's what dad would do. In the fall of 2000, Casey and her circle of friends entered colonial high school. They remained friends for all four years.

Casey appears to have had a healthy high school social life as well. Classmates remember her being involved, shown up at school events, going to the mall, going to parties. Her friend, Melina would later say that they had fun, but we never did anything crazy. Unlike a lot of her high school classmates,

Casey was very adamantly against cigarettes and pot. Melina would say, around that time, the Casey's Art High School Cindy finds out about Georgia's gambling. They somehow work through it. Also in 2000, Casey's older brother Lee graduates from high school, gets a job managing a group of storage units. When that business is sold to another company, he gets an even better job, worked with computers

for a business that offers parking lot services for big events like the Super Bowl. Lee starts making good money for a young man without a college education and even gets free of Super Bowl tickets. He hires his dad, George, and then has to fire George when they get into an argument at work that leads to the Gets physical and then George pushes his son Lee through a window. Now it's hard to say if George just likes to push family members or people named Lee or bosses, because it's all the same there. So that didn't happen.

But that would have been a great addition to the story though. But this story actually needs no additional in the same details. Casey is gonna provide a plenty, starting right about now. In the spring of 2004, Casey Anthony is supposed to graduate from high school. And it's right before her graduation,

that her troubling pattern of keeping secrets and lying all the fucking time emerges. About a week before her graduation that her troubling pattern of keeping secrets and lying all the fucking time emerges. About a week before her graduation ceremony, Casey's mom send the ass Casey where her cap and gown are. And Casey just shrugs and says, they haven't given it to me yet. Then just three days before graduation, Georgian Cindy learned for the first time that Casey's having some problems at school. Her counselor calls, ask Casey's parents to come in for a meeting.

The principal tells them that at this meeting, Casey will not be graduating. They're told that Casey had been offered, quote, several options to get the required credits to graduate, but that she didn't take advantage of any of them. Casey hadn't shown up for various classes numerous times throughout her senior year, and essentially just flunked out of school. Now, her grandparents have come into town. They've already come into town to watch from Ohio, to watch her walk down the aisle, right? To go to her graduation party, which you won't be happy. Like, how fucking awkward. Georgian Cindy have no idea.

George demands to see Casey's school records, but the administrators refuse because she's 18. Their hands are tied, you know, legally, and then Casey for whatever reason refuses to get those records to give to her father. This is the first incident of such a terrible pattern of enabling that will emerge in this family. Casey will do something super fucked up, and her parents will just continue to support her and fix the problems.

This tale is such a great example of how you should never do that. Don't enable your kids. When you just keep fixing someone's problems for them, they never learn how to fix shit for themselves. And even worse, they can learn that causing problems. It's just not a big deal Right, someone just pick up the mess. So why even bother not to cause problems? Who cares? You know, and also how weird is it the case? He just blew off taking the class that she needed to graduate high school with and just didn't realize like she wouldn't be graduate

Until like a week before like did she did she think they would just give her a cap and gown anyway? Like I feel like you're pretty super aware of what you need to do to graduate school. I Mean I was you know, I knew I had to you know show up for class and get certain grades and you know pass them I had to pass them it's a pretty straightforward system. I don't know No party man understands how you just fucking don't get that How you just like not show up for class and then show you graduate and be like, okay, what's my where's my shit? Where's my diploma? You didn't go to school. Well, I did for most of the years. Just give it to me. Um, and how did Casey's parents not

know until the last second that their daughter wasn't going to graduate high school? How do they have no idea? Lindsey and I checking with Kyle Irwin and Robo at their grade several times a semester, every single semester, and we'll do so, continue to do so until they're living on their own. And then when they're in college, if I'm helping to pay for their education, I'm going to still be checking in every semester, because I'm not paying for D's and F's. Right?

You want a flunk out of school? All right. You fucking do it on your dime. I'd rather literally burn my money in the backyard than pay for somebody else's party and bullshit. And at least then I get to fill the warmth of the fire. So clearly, George and Cindy not keeping real close tabs on Casey,

not super involved parents, and they will continue not to keep close tabs on her as you'll see and continue to enable her. Casey will later say she'd been keeping bigger secrets than not being ready to graduate high school for years. She will later claim in court that at the age of eight, her father George started to sexually abuse her. She will also say that her dad molested her and raped her

often between the ages of eight and 11, intermittently after that, vaginally and orally, until she turned 18. She will also claim that her brother molested her throughout her childhood, doing stuff like sticking in her room in the middle of night and filing her breasts. She said she told her mom about this

and that her mom said he didn't do anything and I don't fucking believe it. I know you don't want to take these kind of accusations lightly, but I certainly wasn't there. However, you are about to hear a tale of so much deceit coming from none other than KC Anthony. It will make these claims extremely hard to believe. She lies whenever it helps her.

She doesn't care who the lies hurt. She doesn't care how ridiculous the lies are. Oh my God. Yeah, the more I research Casey Anthony this past week, the more I just don't like her, really don't like her. Really horrible to be molested by your father and brother. Also very horrible to make up false claims of sexual abuse at the hands of your father and your brother.

That's another kind of monster that does that. I am curious what opinions you all come to about her. In the 2018 docu-series Casey Anthony, her friend's speak, a former friend Jonathan Daley calls Casey a pathological liar. He says, a lot of times she would lie about very innocuous things, that it didn't matter if you lied or not.

You could just tell the truth and it wouldn't change any kind of outcome or what people thought about you. And then he added, from the day I met her, till the last time I ever spoke to her, that was just kind of part of her personality. And he, yeah, no, he nails it. Another man named Roy Clint House, who was the roommate of Casey's boyfriend, Tony Lazaro, at the time her daughter, Kaley, would disappear, would say, everything that Casey Anthony had been saying to us was a complete lie. I don't think there is anything that the world or the media got wrong about Casey. I do believe the justice system

got it wrong. Basically, everyone who is not part of Casey Antony's future legal defense team feels that she is a terrible person and a liar. And I'm going to lay out a lot of examples of why they feel this way. So this could back to 2004. Cindy and George had not given up their own their daughter despite the graduation situation. They offered to provide the money for any educational expense she may need to get her diploma. She chooses not to pursue that. Casey wants a career in photography. So they find a number of photography scholarship opportunities. She doesn't pursue that either. She does get a job with Kodak. The company had a universal studio's theme park contract, and Casey gets a job snapping photos of people enjoying the rides.

Her manager, Mike Kozak, thought highly of her, funny name for that job, by the way. I am Mike Kozak, I work at Kodak. Sorry, what? Casey went into the manager trainee program where Mike taught her the ropes. He said that he felt she had a pleasant personality got along with the crew.

Looks for a moment like her graduation mishap might just been a temporary lapse in judgment. Now she's back on track for a nice life, not so fast. In October of 2004, Casey reconnects with her old friend, Keo Marie, when she also gets employed by Universal Studios, Casey and Keo Marie worked together on Halloween, Hornites at the park leading up to Halloween. Kilmery would later tell interviewers that she felt like something was different about Casey. It felt like something to change in the past few months to the point that she actually suggested Casey get professional help. She doesn't go into details why at that time, but clearly she thought something was wrong.

In the first week of January 2005, Casey meets 19 year old Jesse grund at universal. Jesse, the poor bastard who will be strung along and manipulated by Casey for years also works at the park. Casey and Jesse begin dating or at least hooking up on a regular basis by the end of the month. He likes her sort of casting sense of humor. She says he's a lot of fun to be around. But then just two weeks into the relationship, Casey says, I'm in love with you. And Jesse freaks out and breaks up with her. Casey, however, doesn't go away. She helps Jesse's brother get a job at Kodak and starts coming around or continuing to come around the grunt house to see Jesse, even though they've broken up. So stock or alert, that's weird behavior in my opinion. June 2005, Jesse's father in ordained

Pentecostal holiness church minister, Reverend Richard Grund, Ketchus Side of Casey for the first time. Another odd name, Pastor Richard Grund, very close to Pastor Dick Grund, very close to Pastor Dick Grundl. The Grundl, of course, being the area between the anus and scrotum in a male or the area between

the anus and the vulva and a woman, Reverend Taint, too bad he's not a doctor. Anyway, pastor Dick Grundel noticed right away that something, he noticed right away, something that everyone else had somehow missed, this is insane. He notices that Casey is very pregnant. Jesse tells his dad what Casey been telling him and everyone else about her bloated belly. She said she was just having female problems. No, no, it turned out she's about six months pregnant at this point. And she didn't tell anybody she was pregnant.

Never talked about being pregnant. Never admitted to be nothing. Not a word to anyone. So weird. She's not a big lady. Five, two, non-pregnancy weight when she was young, about 105 pounds, petite, a small petite woman. You are showing big time when you're six months pregnant, when you're five, two, and 105 pounds.

And what's crazy is that Casey's parents, she's still living with, they also have no idea that she's pregnant. How the fuck's that even happened? How did Casey never think to take a pregnancy test? How did her parents never think to ask her to take a pregnancy test? She finally admits she's pregnant sometime around the end of June.

So weird. She pretends everything's fine in the high school and it's not. Now she's been pretending everything, uh, been pretending that she's not pregnant when she is. About a month later, July 2005, a month before Casey would give birth. She texts Jesse. I'm pregnant and you're the father. That's it. Jesse doesn't buy it. After talking to Casey, he realizes that there was a major flaw in her timeline in order for him to be the dad. Based on her due date, she hadn't gotten pregnant the month

until, or she got pregnant the month before he'd met her. Casey refused to believe anyone else could be the father. He told her that even if he was, he wasn't ready to have a kid, they should put the baby up for adoption. She tells him that's not an option. Jesse's family encouraged him to get a DNA test and to not let Casey put his name on the birth certificate

until the results come back. Yeah. Pastor Dick Grondle put his foot down. August 9th, 2005, Cindy and George Anthony are with Casey when she goes into the delivery room at Florida Hospital in Winter Park. Kaylee Marie Anthony is born, healthy baby girl. The moment Casey is out of

the delivery room, she calls Jesse. He rushes to her side, holds the newborn in his arms. He tells Cindy George and Casey that he will do everything he can for the baby. He accepts that he is the father, except he doesn't actually accept that. When he and Casey are alone, she tells him, I want to put your name on the birth certificate and he says, no, let's do a paternity test first. Casey's furious refuses to allow the test to be conducted Jesse petitions the court is granted legal authorization Pays 550 bucks waits eight weeks for the results while he waits spends as much time as he can with Kaylee in case he is her dad In minoktober the results come back reveal conclusively that Jesse is not the father

Casey refuses to tell her parents who the real father is, but she tells a few friends now that some guy named Jesus. This is the first time anyone's heard of Jesus. Did she know that it was the whole time that wasn't Jesse? Like is that another lie? Another secret is is Jesus, even a real person or is this some strange sarcastic joke, a little plan in the word Jesus? She tried to tell everybody she's she's having an immaculate conception or had one.

Late 2005, shit really is not going well in the Anthony Householdy. Excuse me for one second. We're just going to take a quick sip of water. I know that's annoying, but I have a fucking, get mad at my virus, get mad at my cold virus. There are a few uses to stop harassing me. There's a new baby. I should have, you know, it's probably some kind of demon. It's probably a throat demon. Should have about some of Woody's products, probably Woody has come kind of throat repellent.

Maybe Ed Kemper has some kind of throat, lozange based on his throat thrusting. Uh, late 2005. Yeah, shit's not going well in the Anthony House. Well, there's a new baby living in George's and Cindy's house. The George and Cindy, uh, didn't even know is a possibility a few months earlier. They don't know the father is. Casey's broke.

It's on them to pay for this baby. Then things look like they're turning around for a second. George receives a check for $60,000. It was a workman compensation settlement for his knee troubles. And what initially looks like great news becomes terrible news. Cindy thinks they should use the money to refinance their home at a more reasonable percentage rate than George confesses that the new money has already been spent. Says he's he's used it to pay some kind of uh says he's used it to pay back some new online gambling debts. $60,000 to pay off some of his debts.

What the fuck is going on in this family? Casey's hiding a pregnancy for seven months. George is hiding a massive gambling addiction. Again, how does Cindy have no idea that her daughter's pregnant? Her husband's blowing $10,000 on gambling. This is a weird house of hidden lies. George does the right thing,

or Cindy does the right thing. Excuse me, he throws George the fuck out of the house. First dad fires him. Now his wife fires him. Captain dumb shit just can't seem to keep himself from ruining stuff, moving him with his parents and fort Myers. I'm sure his dad was beyond happy. And yes, I do realize that gambling can be a real addiction.

I still don't have to like it and I don't get help. Don't fuck your family's future over with your dumb shit. Get rich quicks, games. It seems to be too good to be true. It usually is. Cindy Wife's out of 401K to catch up on car insurance under past bills or past your bills. She's not George.

Been paying. She also has to pay a penalty to the IRS because George cashed out his own retirement account and didn't report the income before he blew that on gambling as well. I couldn't do it. I could not stay married in this situation. Love Lindsay. But if she tells me there's no money in my retirement account because she was feeling lucky on the slots, there will be no more queen of the suck swinging through the suck dungeon. Change in the locks, take her crown, and I will never join my bank account with anyone ever again. And I only feel

comfortable saying this because I'm not worried about it. And we have a lot of talks about money, like a lot. It's all out in the open. I will never understand couples who have no talks about like money. Like money doesn't buy happiness, but financial irresponsibility, oh, that pays for a lot of divorces, a lot of misery.

Cindy consults a divorce attorney who gives her more bad news, even though she'd made all the house payments, George would still get half of the house in a divorce. And she'd probably have to pay all the house payments, George would still get half of the house in a divorce. And she'd probably have to pay Alimony to him because she'd been the main financial support for the family since they moved to Florida. Gotta love some of these Alimony laws, like rewarding lazy dirt bags for being lazy.

There needs to be a, they never put any effort into this marriage and they don't deserve shit, kind of claws, and some divorce laws. Cindy tells her mother, ain't no ways getting the house I paid for. Even if I sold the house and got an apartment half the money, we'd go to George, I can't afford a divorce. Between George and Casey, I'm living paycheck to paycheck. Also in the fall of 2005, Casey, after her maternity leave is over, just stops showing up for work.

Doesn't quit. Just stops showing up. She swings through one time to show off her baby and then never shows up again, ever. Kodak files paperwork, terminating her for job abandonment. Casey also somehow reconnects with Jesse Grund. In late 2005, they start dating again.

She wants to move in with him, but Jesse has lived with his parents and Reverend Dick Grundle, he's not having that. Not able to live with the Grondle household. Jesse wants to move into Kasey's house. A Kasey house, Cindy's not having that. She's already paying for her life, George's life, Kasey's life, and Kasey's life, she doesn't need somebody else

who clearly doesn't have their shit together. Despite neither family being supportive of this relationship, Jesse and Kasey get engaged, makes sense. Numerous guys Kasey hooked up with would later comment specifically about her being very wild, very good and bed. I'm guessing Jesse's dick was more in charge of the wedding proposal than he was. In the spring of 2006, George and Cindy go on a few test dates and reconcile. George moves back in, doesn't like Jesse, doesn't approve of a Casey and Jesse spending time alone in Casey's room.

back in doesn't like Jesse doesn't approve of a Casey and Jesse spending time alone in Casey's room. George and Cindy tell Jesse that he can't spend the night can't be alone with her laying in her bed, et cetera. Casey does not like this, but it's not her house. And now she starts to get extra weird and secretive with Casey sometime around April of 2006. Casey calls old high school friend Lauren Gibbs asked Lauren if she can come over and watch Kayleigh while Casey goes to work. Lauren heads over to Hope Spring Drive, takes care of baby Kaylee, until Casey returns home from work. She never charges Casey for watching Kaylee because she knows

life is not easy for a single work and mother. Casey had told Lauren that she worked at Universal Studios and that's not true. Here we go again. Casey not employed by anyone at this time. Casey later tells Lauren, sending others that she's got another job this time at sports authority, another lie. Casey starts going out late at night, leaving the baby with her mother, telling Cindy that she's heading to work to do inventory. Then one day Lauren is watching Kaylee needs to call Casey when she's supposedly at work at sports authority.

The person who answers the phone says Who's Casey Anthony? Casey hasn't worked here. I don't know who that is dude What do you say to Lauren in a situation like that when you show back up if you're Casey Anthony? Oh, wait a minute. Did I say I was working in sports authority? I meant shorts authority I got you can see I you can see I can make stuff those two names shorts authority is a new place. you make stuff with two names. Shorts authority is a new place.

It doesn't have a sign up or a phone yet. Is a place you go to get shorts if your company buys or sell shorts. We sell a lot of shorts in Italy, specifically the aisle of Capri. We're also on authority on Capri pants. Anywho, thanks for watching, Kaylee. When Lauren finds out case, she doesn't really, a sports authority, she calls mutual friend, Melina Calabrese, tells her about it. Melina tells her to confront Casey and she does,

but Casey won't admit to lying, he won't directly confront it. When Lauren asks her, why did you say, why did they say you didn't work there? Casey doesn't have an answer. She blames it all on the communication problem at work. Lauren doesn't buy it in their friendship and her free babysitting is over. Casey's pattern of secret lies and manipulation continues.

In early June, Casey breaks off her engagement with Jesse, tells her friend Melina, who remains friends with Casey despite her constant weird lies, that she stopped seeing Jesse because he was not Casey's father. The biological dad, she now claims his dude named Josh, not Jesus, Josh now. A one night stand at Sheed Met at Universal Studios. Malina would later recall asking Casey, is Josh going to be part of Casey's life? And Casey reportedly said, no,

Josh has a girlfriend who's gonna marry, they already have kids together. I'm not even gonna tell Kaylee about Josh until she starts asking questions on her own. And then the story changes again. In the summer of 2006, Casey clips out an obituary of a young man named Eric who died in an automobile accident locally, tells her parents that Eric was the biological father of her daughter.

And then later she would write a memorial to Jesus whom she would start to tell other friends was now the father. She's fucking nuts. It would later be proven that Casey didn't even contact Eric's bereaved parents to let them know they had a granddaughter. She never applied for Social Security benefits that a child would be eligible for when a parent dies.

Never has DNA test done to match Kaley with Eric. Why? Well, because Eric's not the, she didn't even fucking know Eric. I've always been fascinated with pathological liars. Casey Anthony seems to be definitely one of these people. And why do people do that? Why do people lie like this? Psychology experts don't even really know. According to some psychology journals, I found the definitions of compulsive and pathological liars

are still kind of being figured out. Paul Ekman, PhD professor emeritus of psychology at the University of California in San Francisco, says that compulsive liars truly do feel compelled to lie. He says, they tell the stories they think want to be heard. He says, when you ask a compulsive liar for an opinion on an important issue, they're likely to say something like this.

You know, you made a really wise choice and ask him my opinion. Many people do. I've actually been asked by the governor of California to comment on this. They just take stories to extreme places to make themselves look that much more important. Why? Why? I would just never do that. I remember talking about Liars with one of my buddies Eddie Vetter a while back. I was like, oh, no, over 10 years ago, he found out about my standup and asked me to come hang out with Pearl Jam and a couple of

festival shows. It was like, it was amazing. But so funny. I fixed a few songs. He's writing on and it was just nice to do that again, because I'd written a few of the songs from the early office. But like when I was in high school, I just, you know, I kind of sent them in. I did the same thing for Metallica. But anyway, um, 89 are talking about liars. And we just agreed that compulsive liars do feel compelled to lie and just to tell big, bold lies like no one would believe.

Like why are you even trying to get away with that and I asked Elon Musk about that and you know what he think and he invited you know he was like there too because you know he's a huge pro jam fan and so when I found that I like to connect to and I met E as I like to call him when I helped decide some of the first testless and you know talk about colonizing Mars but that's the inter here and over there. The only person I've met who doesn't think compulsive liars actually need to lie is Halle Berry. But I have a hard time trusting her opinion because she won't even admit that we were engaged for six months before I dumped her when I met you Lindsay.

You know, so it doesn't make you mad, you know, it doesn't make you mad. Liars piss off Jay-Z and Beyonce. I was talking to him about that. I put them on the mic, but they just left her room some errands for me for a few minutes. You know, because I got to get the hovercraft tuned up right after the show here. So I hope you know, because I gotta, I gotta get the hovercraft, you know, tuned up right after the show here. So I hope you know, know that was true. But some people really say she liked that or almost as crazy as that, and then they act like it's true.

In case the answer is one of these people, Dr. Ekman thinks that pathological liars are even bolder than compulsive liars. He says they continue to lie when they know that you know their line. He also says that neither compulsive nor pathological line has been studied extensively. Experts don't know for sure what drives the lies. So we may never know why Casey answered your lies, but it does seem pathological. We

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her, about to turn one-year-old daughter Kaylee Marie Anthony is, the daughter who's pregnant, so you know what it seemed to really know about. Until Casey was seven months pregnant. Casey's now having a hard time finding a new babysitter because she lied to her last one about having a job. She's like the multiple friends about multiple jobs. She turns to the guy who she just broke off and engagement with, Jesse Grund. This is the guy she tried to convince with the father of Kaylee until the results of the paternity test proved otherwise. Explain to Jesse that she just lost her sitter.

He needs to find someone new to take care of Kaylee so she can go back to work. Jesse only had a one day a week off from his job at progressive insurance, but he gives up that day to take care of Kaylee. He missed a little girl, and I'm guessing he missed sex with Kaylee, or with God, with Kaylee. I'm very different turn there.

He was supposed to be a temporary arrangement, but it continued for months, and then Kaylee talked to Deborah Grunge, as his mother, wife of a Dick Grundle, to watch Kaylee two additional days of the week. Deborah had grown fond of Kaylee as well, and she initially thought Kaylee might be her granddaughter. She now has this family watching her kid three days a week.

For free, while she goes out in parties, instead of actually working like she's telling everybody, it's not real how the fuck a manipulative she is. Finally, pastor Dick Grundle gets tired of Kaylee taking advantage of his son like she's telling everybody it's unreal how fucking manipulative she is. Finally pastor did grundle get tired of KC taking advantage of his son of wives kindness tells KC to find a different babysitter arrangement and then one summer day KC tells the grundles that she has found to help. She says she's found a woman named Zanida Gonzalez to watch her to watch Kaylee. This is a lady who she says watches her friend Jeffrey Hopkins

son Zachary and the Zachary and Kaley play together. And this is all a lie. Casey's friend Jeffrey doesn't know Zanada Gonzalez doesn't have a kid. Right. She doesn't know someone named Zanada Gonzalez. Casey to her, the name is we'll find out later, but she didn't know we're let alone hire her. How would she pay for a nanny? She doesn't make any money.

Why would she need a nanny? She doesn't have a fucking job. She's too busy party. She's just 20 years old, attractive, very sexual. If you don't land a Florida, wants a life to be one long spring break party that somebody else pays for. And she is party hard. October of 2006, she goes to a masquerade party dressed as a casino waitress in a form fitting low skimpy black lace red ribbon costume has a long make out session with a woman wearing an umpire uniform in the middle of the party. There's a picture that would show up online woman wearing an umpire uniform in the middle of the party.

There's a picture that would show up online later. Uh, then a third woman joined in all three, uh, women made out grab each other's breasts, find each other, grind it on one another to the cherry of the party goers. Then she starts rubbing up on some dudes crotch in front of other party goers. It's like a girl's got wild video. No judgment about it.

It's just an example of what she's up to about what Katie, Casey is really doing when she's telling people she's working, when she's getting them to watch Kayleigh. This's just an example of what she's up to, about what KC is really doing when she's telling people she's working, when she's getting them to watch Kaylee. This is not an isolated incident. This is typical KCN's and the behavior at this time. Also in October of 2006, one of KC's high school friends Annie Downing moved into Sawgrass apartments or into the Sawgrass apartments. At 2867 South Conway Road, you did number 218.

By the end of the year, Casey would drop by this place nearly every day. Casey would remember this address well and it would become a major part of her story about how her daughter would disappear the following year. In January of 2007, Casey's maternal grandfather has a stroke in his place in a nursing home. Cindy, Casey, and Kaylee visit the nursing home often for a little while and then after a few months cases up showing up. She's over it. She's not gonna let grandpa stroke, plug up some party. The only stroke she's interested right now is a stroke of a clean weaned, some party. Casey also tells her brother Lee that she's pregnant again. This time with some dude named

Brandon Snow. She's a 20 year old shit show right now. Lee tells her mom, Cindy, who understandably is furious. She's already taking care of Kaylee. Now she's a she's a twenty year old shit show right now lee tells their mom sendy who understand these furious she's already taking care of caley now she's gonna have to take care of another grand kid on top of pain for a dead-beater on top of pain for perpetual fuck up of a husband uh... in february case he gets her mom to calm down about the pregnancy she probably doesn't have

by claiming that she had a miscarriage on valentines day when she probably didn't have that her friend any along with numerous other friends doubt that she was ever pregnant a second time. Annie also remembers Cindy Yellen and Casey all the time being frustrated that she wasn't staying home, taking care of her daughter. On March, Casey dates a man named Christopher Stutz. A guy she'd met a few months after Kaley's birth. They've been friends for a little more than a year. And this relationship doesn't last long. I'd like to go watch movies together. Chris would later recall Casey getting texts

from a mother all the time saying she needed to come home and watch Kaylee. Kaylee is getting in the way of mom's party. After they stopped dating, Casey randomly tells him that a manager from Universal had come by sports authority, the place where she still wasn't actually working about a place where she was telling people she was still working at.

Said they wanted her to come back to work at a theme park. Said she'd gotten a job in event planning telling people she was still working at said they wanted her to come back to work at a theme park That she got in a job in event built event planning Said it was only temporary because what she really wanted to do was work as a personal trainer None of this is true other than maybe wanted to be a trainer that who knows? Casey all Also seems to be getting super stressed out around this time. I don't know Maybe it's hard to keep all of her lies straight She shows up at a friend Annie's job for lunch one day saying that she needed to talk.

I need to get away. She says I feel like I'm having a breakdown. Casey would tell Annie why she felt this way or would not. Excuse me, but she added, I wanted, I want to go to an institution. Kayleigh can stay with my mom. I need help. Michele Murphy, a long time Anthony family friend, also gets a crisis call from Casey in March. I'm feeling crazy and needs someone to talk to. Again, Casey does not explain why she feels this way. She does talk about her miscarriage, that she probably never have. She also expresses fear about her inadequacy as a parent, saying I don't feel like I'm a very good mother to Kayleigh. That's true. Were these genuine cries for help or was Casey just trying to get attention? Michelle moves in with Casey's

brother Lee in May 2007. She's a lot more of both Casey and Kaylee in the six months she roomed with him. She listened when Kaylee talked about being an event planner with Universal but thought it was odd since Casey didn't have the required education what would need to be an event planner. The weird lies continue in June of 2007. Casey was now seen a man named Steve Jones but was telling her mother that she was dating Jeff Hopkins. Cindy wanted to meet Casey's boyfriend, Jeff, and his son, Zach, that doesn't exist. She invites Casey to bring them to the house for a cookout. Cindy buys a food, makes preparations. At the last minute, Casey says, Jeff can't

come. Zach's sick. A couple weeks later, Jeff and Zach are supposed to stop by again. Does time for dessert? Once again, no show. KC said, oops, we're called to the last second. They do this a couple more times, a couple more no show performances. Then KC announces that Jeff had moved to the Carolinas to live near his mother. If Jeff had known about the story, KC, he was telling he would have been shocked again, because he didn't have a kid and never dated KC. On August 9, 2007, Louisville Kayley turns two years old and her grandma throws her a birthday party at the Anthony home on hopes-freeing drive. Casey's grandmother Shirley Koozah goes to the party and gets Anthony a few days after the party, Shirley notices that a check is missing from her checkbook. She ends up going to the police when someone tries to cash her check to find out what happened, uh, you know, with their money, who attempted to steal it.

An officer tracks down the cancel check and question, has his license never written on the back. He runs the number on the computer and says, Casey Anthony. Ha, take that, a lady. You just got Anthony. Surprise, motherfucker. Take a walk away from your own purse, eat your own fucking daughter's house. Ah, jokes on you.

Lucky George didn't grab your credit cards. Take you to a online slot machine, you know, to grab again. So, yeah, at her daughter's house, ah, jokes on you. Lucky George didn't grab your credit cards. Take you to a online slot machine, you know, just grab a gantza. Yeah, at her daughter's birthday party, Casey Antony steals one of her grandma's checks. She admits it when Shirley confronts her. Casey apologizes and Shirley accepts her apology, but how shit is that?

The shifty secret behavior continues to mount up. Later in August, Cindy becomes furious with Casey. When she gets a credit card bill, finds out that Casey has taken her credit card and bought a bunch of shit for herself online with it. Ha, take that mom, let your guard down. Well, Casey's feeling bad for stealing grandma's check. Ha, not fool, you just got ants in it.

Casey never feels bad, she just pretends to. Another weird needless August lie. Casey tells Melina that her daughter's fake father Josh has died in an automobile accident. She tells her parents about the car. This is the same like she told the same story the year before to her parents, but in that version it was you know, Eric. Why is she do this?

How does this help her? Does she just do it for attention? Does she just enjoy the act of lying? November, Casey starts dating Jesse again. What is it? What is this dude's deal? I'm sure Pastor Dick Rundle's thrilled. Jesse was attending the Orlando Police Academy this time and one of his fellow trainees

was a man named Anthony Rousciano. KC meets Anthony through Jesse and by January of 2008, she and Anthony are hooking up behind Jesse's back. Classy moves. So much class. That's your name of the next KC Anthony story. Class act, the KC Anthony story story a tale of a terrific human being Anthony would later say that Casey was just using for sex. They bang it out and five minutes later. She'd be out the door

He'd actually say, you know, that's when you know you kind of feel like the girl. You're like damn man. I just got used early in 2008 Casey breaks out with Jesse again Casey also starts hooking up at this time with a dude named Rico Morales First hook hook up with him at a birthday party on January 23rd Few weeks later in early February Casey sends Rico a note through Yahoo messenger saying my life sucks I can't do anything because of this kid She goes on griping about not being able to participate fully with her friends because she's a mother. Oh boo-hoo You have an adorable daughter who loves you more than anyone else in the world

You have a family willing to help raise your daughter while you free load you fucking piece of shit By the end of the second week of February Casey was spending four or five nights a week at Rico's she'd bring Kelly most of the time She told Rico that she worked at Universal for the past four years Talked about her work a lot. This is crazy to me. You know, go on long stories about her boss Tom and her friend Juliet work and other people who did not fucking exist. Ah, she's bad shit. On St. Patrick's Day, March 17th, just two days before her 22nd birthday, police believe

Casey Anthony searched on the home computer, chloroform, alcohol, acetone, peroxide, inhalation, and death. Four days later, they believed she did a little more searching. Went on blogspot.com, druglibrary.org, and also indis-instructables.com did searches for shovel, making weapons out of household products, and how to make chloroform. Not suspicious at all. Probably just doing some research for one of her many legitimate jobs. Casey and Rico split up on April 14th, according to him, it was his idea. He'd say it was a fun relationship and it was getting too serious. No, but I'm sorry, but it wasn't getting serious this time. Casey told her friends at Rico was scared to commitment because the relationship was going

nowhere, she called it off. They remain friends, but the relationship, excuse me, didn't stay platonic. They would have sex off and on until early June. She'd come by and hang out sometimes with Kaylee, sometimes not. One day when Rick asked where Kaylee was, she said she was with her Zany. Zany Rico asked, what is that stand for? Zanita, Casey said, nope. Kaley is not being watched by anybody named Zanita.

In the spring of 2008, Casey started to get in caught or gets caught stealing money from her family again, numerous times. According to what her family would say later, Casey was sneaking cash out of her mother's purse, stealing from her father's coin collection, pillaging her daughter, Kaley's piggy bank, taking her from the piggy bank, running up charges on her mother's credit cards, even wiping out her daughter's emergency bank account in 2008.

Everybody's getting Anthony. That's what you get for leaving your piggy bank on guard in your bedroom, kid. You get Anthony. If mom wants to go to grandpa, we'll gamble it away. Actually, grandpa was given money to Kaley this time, suppose he put money in an account for his work and again, $30 came out of each paycheck, deposit, and Kelly's name. But when he checked the balance, late that spring, there was only $5 in the account.

Yeah, you got to answer me too, motherfucker. The student has become the teacher. George wasn't buying Casey's bullshit job stores anymore. You know, why was she taking, why was she asking money for money all the time? Why was she stealing from everyone? If she was working, she had no bills, she didn't pay rent, he and Cindy paid for everything that Kaylee needed. I mean, mostly Cindy, but you know, Georgia couldn't get in case you didn't miss she was lying though. She always had some bullshit

story. She claimed her check was locked up in her boss's desk. There was a budget mix-up or check them into the laid. One time to try and prove she was making money, she forced three deposit slips for her mother's account. Act like she just got paid. Act like she was paying her back $4,000, $4,400 actually. She said she'd finally gotten a bunch of back checks from work. So Cindy, thinking there was money in the bank, spent accordingly. And then her house payment bounced. Fucking classic Anthony. What the hell? How did Casey think her mom would not realize the deposits were fake? Like does she not know how banking works? She's fucking crazy like her brain doesn't work right. She's not good at stealing She's just really good at refusing to admit that she lies

Man that's bringing Cindy discovers another way that her daughter stealing from her Casey had hacked into her mother's checking account to send payments of 300 to 400 $ per month to AT&T for her cell phone. Again, as if mom wouldn't find out. When Cindy does find out she demands Casey stop. Cindy is such an enabler. Casey steals from her time and time again in a response basically. He's like, hey, quit doing that. I don't like it.

Please stop stealing from me. The next time Casey needs money to pay herself on bill, she steals $345 out of an account set up for her grand father's care after he had that stroke and went to the nursing home. She has no morals whatsoever. Then her grandma surely catches her again. Surely email is Casey because she doesn't want to talk

to her anymore. Casey writes back, dear grandma, I'm so sorry, I apologize. Like that clears it up. I'll come down and do some cleaning for you. And Shirley responds, Casey, I don't want, I don't want you down here. I don't want to see you. And then Shirley calls Cindy and tells her daughter about everything. Cindy demands an answer from Casey. Casey explains that she's been transferred into a brand new department and universal. And the budget hasn't gotten through yet.

She and all the employees are asked to buy their own telephones. Shirley doesn't buy it. And even if that was true, what kind of person thinks that justifies dealing from your grandpa? Shirley would also let her claim that she thought Casey had taken total roughly $45,000 from her family by that time. Incredibly, none of her friends brought up a drug problem. What kind of person takes all that money other than an addict? Casey seems like a junkie to me, right? I mean, maybe her drug is just not working. Her drug is lying.

Her drug is being able to hang out with her friends, go shopping on somebody else's dime, go to the club she wants to go to, now watch her kid, now pay for any of it. Cindy is so stressed out by all this that she goes to the counselor, later tells the counselor, or later tells people that the counselor said she should have kicked Casey out of the house

Yeah, but Cindy didn't because she was afraid of losing a relationship with her granddaughter Kayley Her counselor advises her to file for custody for Kayley because Kay see is clearly unfit to be a mother Cindy also tells her mom Shirley around this time that if it wasn't for her job her parents and Kay see or Kayley Excuse me. She would she would kill herself overall to stress caused by Kacey and George. Okay, now the first week of May, 2008, Kacey reconnects with Anthony, a Jesse's colleague who is now a deputy with Orange County Sheriff's Office. They text back and forth, she complains about Kaley and about the job she doesn't have. He talks about wanting to hook up again, she's into it. She also starts seeing Rico again. He talks about wanting to hook up again. She's into it. She also starts seeing Rico again. On May 5th, she tells Jesse, guess where I'm going, Puerto Rico. Rico has family there that we're going to stay with.

All we have to do is pay for the flight and some food and expenses while we're down there. Later, when she shares her good news with her mom, Cindy refuses to take care of Kaylee while Kasey bounces around the Caribbean and Kasey's furious. Kaylee is ruined her party vacation. Text with Anthony continue. Casey complains about Kaylee wanting more lunch one day and when she says she doesn't know what she wants to eat, Anthony offers to cook for her if she can come over. Casey writes, Ha, want me to bring this little snot hit over?

I don't think so. Then she says spending the day with Kaylee is 10 times more exhausting than working at 12 hour event. She is not an event planner. In mid May, Casey's friend Amy needed to find a new place to stay. The house where Amy rented an apartment was sold. She moved in with her friend Troy Brown on a temporary basis.

She was count on Casey, who had told her that her parents were helping her buy a home to have a new place to stay. Of course, Casey's parents said no such thing. By the time she took up her new living arrangements, Casey told her that the deal that had never existed had now fallen through. Someone else had made an offer on the house,

but great news, Casey added, my mom was getting a condo in Winter Park. My grandparents are moving there from Mount Dora since there's a better facility in Winter Park for my granddad. And my mom is signing her house over to me. I'll take over the mortgage payments and we can just move in there.

It's great news, because I don't actually have to move and Kayleigh can stay in the place she's always been. So that's awesome. All of this just exists only in her head. No one has told her none of that none of those things are happening. Cool Amy said. It sure beat her current nomadic existence. She made plans to move into the hopes freeing drive home in mid-June when Casey told her the paperwork would be completed. What a fucking asshole. Leading people along so she can feel important. The third week of May, Casey meets a guy named Tony Lazaro.

He was new to town. He scouted around Facebook looking for interesting people in the area. He found a good-looking girl named Casey Marie Anthony who claimed to be a student at Valencia, community college. She wasn't. He sent a friend request and she accepted.

Soon, he had her phone number and called her on May 23rd to tell her about a no-close party. That night at the village, he was on science drive near the University of Central Florida campus. An event where you had to dress in things that weren't normally worn. She said she'd like to go. She got directions. She wore an American flag, Toga style, to the party. Later that week, Tony asked KC to come over and hang out with him and another couple. She agreed, but then called that night to say she was staying with the nanny as Kayleigh had woken up before she leave. There is no fucking nanny. In early June, Cindy took a week of vacation. She endured went to

visit George's mother in Fort Myers and to relax on the beach that didn't happen. Cindy ended up babysitting Kay the whole week while Casey partied on her mother's dime and told more outrageous lies. You just got Anthony. Cindy complained to her mother, surely about it all. Saying she was sick of being the only consistent breadwinner in the house. George had bounced around to three different jobs since she'd taken him back. She was paying for Casey's car insurance.

She was paying off credit card bills for Casey. When Casey finally showed up on Saturday, June 7th to pick up her kid, she told Cindy that a babysitter would be keeping Kaylee from June 9th through June 12th because Casey had to take an out-of-town business trip to Universal Studios or with Universal Studios. Cindy asked Casey about a change of address notice that has showed up for Amy Huzinga. Casey said, oh, she just wanted a package sent there, which makes zero fucking sense. On June 6th, Rico makes dinner for a group of friends. Casey tells both Rico and Amy that she'd be there.

She blows it off, blames her non-existent job. In reality, she was partying at Fusion with that other dude, Tony Lazaro. Rico sees pictures of Casey at the nightclub when he visits my space later that day, sends her a text. Did you go to fusion for any night? Yeah, but my boss sent me there to spy on his daughter, she says. Casey and Kaylee show up at Rico's that night after 8 p.m. Casey claims that she and her daughter had no place to stay.

Rico invites him to spend the night at his place, and then Casey and Rico break up because of Casey's party and fusion with Tony. Man, she would have gotten away with so much more if she would have lived pre-social media. That's what's even scarier. Social media fucked up her bullshit game. Now, pictures out there document lies. The following day on June 7th, Tony teases Casey about the possibility he's gonna move back to New York. She bursts into tears, chokes back sobs.

He tells her you're taking this way too seriously. Things are going too fast. Relax. You know I'm moving soon. I'm just here for school that I'm out. Tony also tells her that if he ever decided to have children, he only wanted sons. He knew how difficult it was to raise little girls because he had two sisters. So basically he tells her I don't want anything to do with Kaylee. Hello, added murder motive. I don't want anything to do with Kayleigh. Hello, added murder motive. Excuse me, Wednesday, June 11th, despite Tony just telling her he has no interest in a daughter,

Casey changes her relationship status to his Tony Lizarro as her boyfriend. So dumb. If Lindsay would have told me in her first date that she hates kids, the date would have been over. I mean, I mean, I'm trying to sleep with her, but soon after that, it would have been over. Seriously, so fucked up for a single parent to date somebody who doesn't like their kid so gross, put the kid first.

That's how it's supposed to work. Tony Casey and Kaylee go to the mall of the millennia and Casey's car later that day, Casey and Kaylee go shopping, Casey still spend a mom's money. Well, Tony promotes some kind of hip-hop showcase on Friday at Fusion. When he finishes handing out his flyers, Tony treats Casey and Kaylee to late lunch early dinner at the Cheesecake Factory.

Casey drops Tony off his department, drives off with Kaylee, and despite seeing Casey a lot after this Tony would never see that little girl again. During the month of June, Casey was going to Fusion all the time. The night after the Cheesecake Factory she meets Tony, his place,

rises him to the hip-hop party at Fusion effusion. She sends a mass text message all over male friends to promote Tony's showcase. You guys should come. $5 cover. Super hot shot girls, hot body contest. It's the first time Casey had slept into, throughout the night until the next morning in Tony's bed. She's doing the best job she can to be what he wants her to be. Back home tensions between Casey and her mom are reaching a new kind of boiling point, a neighbor, Jean Coutie, who was mowing her lawn when Cindy stepped out of her home with Casey on her heels screaming at her. Cindy responds, but never raises her voice.

She gets into her car, drives away. Jean is outside of washing her car when she witnesses another unpleasant event. Casey bursts out of her house screaming again. Just shut up, mom. I don't want to hear anymore. Cindy said nothing. Just hung her head down as Casey heaped on the abuse. Casey turned away, headed out for a jog around the neighborhood.

On Father's Day, June 15th, Cindy took Kayleigh to visit her great-grandpa in the nursing home. Casey ran up to Alex, jumped into his arms. It was the last time he'd ever see her. Cindy and Kayleigh took a swim in the pool after returning home. That evening, Cindy finally really confronted about Cindy finally really confronted Casey about her bullshit jobs, slapped down one photo after another. You know, from the internet, she printed off shots of Casey at no clothes party, shots of Casey at other parties at a club,

tells Casey your work, huh? I watch Kaylee that night so you can go to or I watch Kaylee at night so you can go to work. Cindy tells Casey she's an unfit mother and she threatens her that she's gonna take custody of Kaylee. According to a story, Casey's brother Lee shared with a friend later the confrontation then became physical, escalated to Cindy wrapping her hands around Casey's throat and trying to choke her. Too bad she didn't finish her job. If she did, I bet little Kaylee would still be alive today. The following day on June 16th at 12.50 in the afternoon, Casey sits down and a lazy

boy recliner next to her dad tells him, hey, I'm going to be working a little bit late. Kaylee's going to be staying with the nanny. I'll see you in mom tomorrow afternoon. I've already talked to mom. Mom knows I'm going to be staying over. Little Kaylee's such a cute kid the nanny. I'll see you in mom tomorrow afternoon. I've already talked to mom Mom knows I'm gonna be staying over Little Kaylee such a cute kid looked extra adorable that day dressed in a blue jeans skirt pink top pair white sunglasses Her hair is pulled back in a perky ponytail. She wears a white knapsack decorated with monkeys on her back This is the last time George never sees granddaughter

Casey and Kaylee pull away from the family home and send his car before 1 p.m Casey and Kaylee pull away from the family home and send his car before 1pm. Casey tells her parents that she and Kaylee are going to be spending the night at Kaylee's nanny's house. Zanada, Fernandez, Zanny the nanny. They would return in the next day or two. George leaves work about 2pm. Cell phone records show that Casey was still in the area around the family home until 4pm. She tells her parents she's off to his made up nanny's house, then hangs around in the neighborhood for a few hours on the day her daughter disappears. Very suspicious.

7 p.m. That evening, cell phone record show that Casey was in the area around the home of her boyfriend, Tony Lazaro. At 7.45 p.m. Casey and Tony captured on video a blockbuster, renting a movie, strolling with their arms around each other. There was no sign of Kaylee at the camera footage. They actually ran into two movies. One movie was called Untraceable about a kidnap or a killer. The other movie is called Jumper, features a character who is a mother abandoning her five-year-old child. Very weird.

June 17th, Casey leaves Tony's apartment and goes home about 2 p.m. Kaylee is not with her. She heads back to Tony's around four when she calls Cindy and tells her that they're both gonna spend the night as Annie's. So there's more lies. They never stop. Casey returns home the next day, June 18th,

between 1.30 and 2.30 p.m. The house is empty. She borrows her neighbor's fucking shovel. Just a young woman whose daughter has just disappeared. A daughter, she isn't tell anybody who's disappeared. A woman who's never shown any interest in working. A woman who doesn't garden, you know, after doing a little digging. Totally normal.

Casey calls Cindy tells her that she has to attend a work related conference of Bush Gardens in Tampa. As Casey explains it, she's taken Zanny, Zanny's friend, Juliet Lewis, Juliet's daughter, Annabelle and Kaylee to Tampa. Annabel is supposedly Kaylee's age. So it's perfect playmate. Tells her mother that the group will be there until Friday, June 20th. Cell phone record show Kayce does in fact not go to Tampa or Bush Gardens.

She spends the day in the area around Tony's apartment on the 19th. The two of them go apartment hunting together. Kayce calls Cindy on the 20th 20th till her trip has been extended. Inform Cindy, they'll be staying in Tampa another night. Casey calls her friend, laying the day informs with the Kaley's at the beach, Nolanda, was zany. What Casey was actually doing on the 20th

was partying with a bunch of her friends of fusion. That Friday night, fusion hosted a hot body contest. Casey spent the evening showing off her body, managing the shot girls. Photos of the event show Casey and Pier to delight wearing a short blue dress, high black boots, grinding, dancing with others on the dance floor. Think about the level of sociopath you have to be. If you're doing this right after you killed your innocent beautiful little daughter, which

is actually what I think happened. Later, Casey would claim that her daughter's nanny had taken her. What kind of parent goes out and parties it up when they think their daughter has been kidnapped? And Casey tells none of the people she's party with their daughter has been taken. Why wouldn't you do that? Who acts like that? A fucking sociopathic murder. That is quite literally the only explanation for this behavior that makes any sense to me at all. She either killed Kayleigh or knows who did it and is glad they did it. She's enjoying herself.

No one reported her being the least bit upset over anything related to Kaylee around this time. On June 22nd, Casey calls Cindy. Tells her that the conference ended, but she didn't get any time to enjoy the park with everyone, so she can stay one more night. What she really wants to do is hang out more with Tony. Casey leaves Tony's apartment at 141 pm on June 23rd, runs out of gas, causing for help. Rather than buy gas, she directs him to the Anthony home, where Tony broke the on her father's shed so that Casey could take two red portable gas cans. They take the gas cans back to her car, pour the contents into the tank, start the car, drive back to Tony's and

throw separate vehicles. Casey calls Cindy, tells her that on the way home, they were in a minor car accident and that Zanny is injured. They would all stay with her in the hospital. I don't understand any of this. On June 24, Casey goes to Moe the grass and discovers the lock on the shed is broken and that two gas cans are missing. Casey has stolen the cans before and he suspects her. Casey walks into the house, is shocked, George is there, is the first time anyone in the family is seen or in a week. He confronts her about the gas cans. She gets him out of the trunk, shouts at him, storms off. Casey calls Cindy, tells her that Zannie has to stay in the hospital a few more days, says

she's staying there too. On the 25th, Casey calls Amy and complains about a smell in the car. She says it is because she ran over squirrel and it is stuck in the wheel well. No one has seen Kaylee in over a week. Casey has reported her missing to no one. There's a very good chance to smell what she's referring to with Kaylee's dead body. On June 27th, Kasey leaves Tony's house and phone records put her near the Anthony home.

She texts Amy again about how bad the smell in the car is. Her car runs out of gas again at an Am Scott store. Kasey just abandons the car there. Why would you do this? Maybe because she doesn't want to drive a car, it smells like the dollar she's killed. One with possible evidence of a murder Three days later on June 30th Casey's Pontiac is towed. She doesn't seem to give a shit

She spends the morning shopping with Amy and then drives Tony the airport in his Jeep call Cindy Tells her that she and Kayleigh are going to stay in a hotel with some dude named Jeff until July 3rd On July 2nd Casey calls a tattoo shop makes an appointment for July 3rd She's lunch at Buffalo Wild Wings, shops and goes out clubbing in the evening. Decides to spend the night at Amy and Ricardo's. When Amy asks where Kayleigh is, Kayleigh says that she is with Zanny the nanny. Cindy calls Casey eight, nine times. No, I'm sorry, eight times in the 24 minutes between 12, 13 a.m. and 12, 37 a.m.

But nobody answers. Again, how guilty does she appear here? Best case her daughter's been missing for over two weeks and she doesn't seem to care. Worst case she's a monster. July 3rd, Casey gets attacked to the words bella-vita, Italian for beautiful life, inked on her left shoulder. Killing your daughter and clubbing in Florida is that the beautiful life? I didn't know that. Kendi Cindy gets a hold of Casey on the third. Casey tells her that she and Kaylee, he's fucking names by the way too. Cindy, Casey, Kaylee, God damn it.

I fucking hate it when families do that. I'm still in a moment when my dad, when I'm growing up, why would you also name me Dan? There's so many other names, why give me your name? There was, I'd never considered that with my kids. Anyway, fucking Cindy Casey fucking Kayley. Casey tells her that she and Kayley are at the Universal Studios for an employee family event. Cindy doesn't buy it, shows up in the parking lot.

When Casey gets on the phone, forms her that there had been a change of plans. Tells her mom that Jeff Hopkins invited her and Kayley over to Jacksonville. They're already enrapt, more crazy lies. Cindy has her son Lee created my space page for her so she can post a lengthy paragraph about Hurt and betrayal for Casey to discover. Her subject line is, Mike Kayley is missing and she posts her mood as distraught. The 17 line entry is filled with sadness and anger. What does the mother get for giving her daughter all of these chances of broken hearts? Who is now watching out for the little angel?

Cindy has to know now and her gut that something horrible has happened to Kaylee. And their pieces should daughter has something to do with it. On July 4th, Casey spends the holiday shopping and celebrating response to her mother's my space post telling her mom to leave her alone. On July 5th, Tony returns from out of town. Casey picks him up with the airport. Goes back to hanging out with him in his roommates, not caring about her daughter. On July 8th, Casey drives Amy and her ex boyfriend Rico to the airport, name his car. Amy and Ricardo are heading to Puerto Rico. Somehow, Casey manages to get her filthy paws on Amy's wallet and checkbook and with an hour of dropping off her friends

at the airport, heads to Target and enjoys a two hour shopping spree on Amy's dime. Maybe she's jealous that Amy's head in the Puerto Rico instead of her. At 9.48 a.m. surveillance cameras capture Casey entering a local target where she shops until 11.55 a.m. at which point she takes her purchases to the checkout counter. Her purchase include the light blue hoodie. She be wearing to meet when she'd be arrested. lingerie oversized white sunglasses toilet paper cherries orange juice and a six pack of bud light. Nothing for Kayleigh. Nothing for her daughter.

That alone, super suspicious. On July 13th, George and Cindy find a notice stuck in the side doors or house, stating the certified letter was waiting for them at the post office. It's a letter informing them that their Pontiac Sunfire, the car that they let Casey drive, had been towed to Johnson's wrecking service. This of course is the car the KC had left in the parking lot. When Cindy and George go to retrieve the car a powerful odor hits them before they make it to the car. George would later state as he approached the Pontiac, he became aware of an

unmistakable smell emanating from the trunk. Having previously worked as a cop, George thought he recognized the odor of a decomposing body. Once she gets back home, Cindy calls Casey's best friend, Amy, informs that Casey is staying with her new boyfriend, Tony, who she met on the internet. Amy agrees to take Cindy to Tony's apartment. Cindy confronts Casey, forces her into the car, finally had enough of all the lies. Kaley's nowhere to be seen. Casey cannot give a satisfactory answer to Kaley's whereabouts. Cindy drops off Amy at Amy's house, then makes 3911 calls from her car.

Here's the transcript of the first 911 call operator. Hello, Cindy Anthony. Hi, I drove to the police department here on Pershing, but you guys are closed. I need to bring someone in the police department. Can you tell me where I can? The closest one I can come to operator. What are you trying to accomplish by bringing them to the station? Cindy, I have a 22 year old person

that has grand theft sitting in my auto with me. So the 22 year old person stole something. Yes, are they relative? Yes, where did they steal it from? My car and also my money. Is this your son, daughter? Okay, so your daughter stole money from your car. No, my car was stolen. We've retrieved it today when we found out where it was at. We've retrieved it.

I got that. And I have affidavits for my banking account. I want to bring her in. I want to press charges. Where did all this happen? Oh, it's been happening. I love that little note. Oh, it's been happening. It's been happening for about five fucking years. And I'm ready to finish the choke job. I started a few weeks ago. Operator, I know what I need to establish the jurisdiction is what I'm trying. Cindy, oh, I live in Orlando. Operator, but what address did these steps occur at? Well, I guess at my residence. That's actually going to be the jurisdiction of the Sheriff's Office, ma'am, Nati or Orlando Police Department. Alrighty. Let me transfer you over to the communication section for Orange County.

Okay. Now, so is this the Orlando Sheriff Department? The one on four, three, six? Is that open this afternoon this evening? The substation you're at off-purshing. If it's your Orlando police, we're open primarily in the day, but that's not the sheriff's. That's the city police, which does not have jurisdiction for your address. I know the Sheriff's Department on fifth. I mean 436

What I'm gonna do is transfer you to the sheriff's communication section you can determine that Cindy okay and then the thing is transferred then you hear like kind of Cindy and Casey kind of talking to the background and he says my next thing will be my child's thing And we'll have a court order to get it if that's what you want to play we'll do that You'll never your Casey Mumbling. Then Cindy says, well, then you have, no, I'm not giving you another day. I've given you a month. All right.

And then it goes on to the second conversation. The second conversation, Cindy informs the police that she is not seeing her granddaughter in a month and her daughter Casey is lying about what happened to her granddaughter. Then she gets the third conversation. 9-1-1, what's your emergency? I called a little bit ago. The sheriff's, the deputy sheriff's not here. I found out my granddaughter's been taken.

She's been missing for a month. Her mother finally admitted she's been missing. Okay, what's she address you're calling from? We're talking about a three year old little girl. My daughter finally admitted that the babysitter stole her. I need to find her. Your daughter admitted that the baby is where? That the babysitter took her a month ago. That my daughter's been looking for her. I told you my daughter was missing for a month

I just found her today, but I can't find my granddaughter She just admitted to me that she's been trying to find her herself. There's something wrong I found my daughter's car today and it smells like there's been a dead body in the damn car Okay, what is the three-year-old's name? Kayleigh Anthony Kayleigh Anthony. Yes, is she white black or Hispanic? She? Kaley Antony. Kaley Antony? Yes. Is she white, black, or Hispanic? She's white.

How long is she, what's the weird, oh, I guess we're looking for, nevermind. I was like, that's a weird question. I think it's a good question. Trying to identify her. How long has she been missing for? I have not seen her since the seventh of June. What is her date of birth?

Eight, nine, two thousand. Oh, God, she's three. She's two thousand five. George, Kaylee's missing. George, what? Kaylee's missing. Kay she says, it's a need it took her for a month, a took her a month ago. This batch, okay, I need, I understand. Can you, can you just calm down for one minute? I need to know what's going on. I'm going to try and dispatch. Is your daughter there? Cindy, I'm on the phone with her. This batch is your daughter there. Yes. Can I speak with her? Do you mind if I speak with her? Thank you. Cindy, I called them two

hours ago and they haven't gotten here. Casey finally admitted tonight. It took her a month ago. I'm trying to find her. Ma'am, ma'am, if the Orange County Sheriff's Department, they want to talk to you, answer their questions. Casey gets on the phone. Hello, this batch. Hello, Casey. Yes. This batch. Hi. What can you tell me about what's going on? I'm sorry. Like what the fuck even responses weird? I'm sorry. They're trying to find your daughter. You fucking horrible monster. Can you tell me a little bit what's going on? My daughter's been missing for the last 31 days. And you know who has her? I know who has her. I've tried to contact her. I actually received a phone call today. Now from a number that is no longer in service. Yeah, so weird. I did get to speak to my daughter for about a moment, about a minute.

Clearly lying there. Clearly lying there. No, she did not speak to her daughter. Did you guys call on reporter vehicles tolin? Yes, my mom did. So the vehicle is tolin too? No, this is my vehicle. What vehicle was tolin? It's a 98 sunfire. Okay, I have deputated on the way to you right now for that. So now your three-year-old daughter is missing. Kaley Anthony, yes, white female, yes, three years old, eight, nine, two thousand five date of birth, yes. You last saw her a month ago? 31 days. Been 31 days. Who has her? Do you have a name? Her name is Zanita Fernandez Gonzalez. Who is that babysitter? She's been my nanny for about a year and a half almost two years.

Why are you calling now? Why didn't you call 31 days ago? Fucking exactly! Why didn't she call 31 days ago? I'll answer that because she fucking killed her daughter because Anida is a figment of her fucked up imagination. She's a lunatic. Casey, I've been looking for. I've gone through other resources to try and find her, which was stupid. Dispatch, can you give me the name of the Nanny again? Spell it out, she spells it. Last name, Fernandez.

Fernandez, Haifengonzales. I think officers are here. Dispatch, the officers are here. Yes. All right. So now the police have arrived at the Anthony House 10 p.m. July 15th. Cindy is out of her mind with this grief and she's distraught. George is calling Stolic. Casey is typically just confused like she always just saying weird

fucking shit doesn't make sense. This is the initial story. Casey tells the police. She tells investigators she'd been working at Universal Studios, Lai, that Kaylee had been staying with various friends and nannies, Lai, in particular, a 25-year-old woman named Zanada Fernandez Gonzalez, not true. She tells the detective, and by the way, all this stuff would be found out to not be true. It's not just my opinion. She tells the detective that I'm Monday after Father's Day, sometime between 9 a.m. and 1 p.m. She took her daughter to the apartment of her current babysitter. The night of Fernandez Gonzalez, also known as Annie. Nope.

Lie. She's been introduced to the woman 18 months earlier by her friend Jeffrey Copkins, who has hired Zanny to babysit his son Zachary. There is no fucking Zachary. She gave Zanny's address as the Sawgrass apartment on South Conway Road, Nolando. Casey explained that Zanny and two roommates, Requel Flora, Rekel, Flora and Jennifer Rosa shared apartment 210. That is the apartment address I mentioned earlier. The one I said would come back up.

Zannie didn't live there. Her old friend Annie Downing did. KC said she'd gone to her job at Universal Studios where she claimed she was an event planner. Also, no, that's not true. She said that at 5 p.m. on June 16th, she drove straight back to the Sawgrass Department to pick up her daughter, but no one was home. Cell phone records show that at 5 p.m. on June 16th, she drove straight back to the sawgrass department to pick up her daughter, but no one was home. Cell phone records show that's not true. She tried Zanny's cell phone number, was surprised to learn that the line was out of service.

Cell phone records show that that's a lie. In case she said that she spent two hours on the steps to the second floor of the building waiting for Kayleigh and Zanny to return. No, she didn't. She said she spent the next few hours going to familiar places in the area looking for Zanny and Kayleigh. No, she did not. She started out at J Blanchard Park, one of Kaylee's favorite spots, moved to other places.

After she gave up, she spent the rest of that evening at Tony's. Yeah, watch that fucking movie, watch the two movies having a good time caught on camera, smiling and having fun. And then every day since the toddler's disappearance, she had gone to malls, parks, banks, any places she could remember tonight taking Kaylee. Bullshit. None of her friends would corroborate this search. Zero.

She didn't talk about Kayleigh being missing to one fucking person in those 31 days. When asked why she had not alerted authorities, she claimed it was out of fear for her daughter's life. She had seen movies and reports on TV in which bad outcomes came when people called the police. She was hoping to handle it on her own. Get the fuck out. It's a ridiculous answer.

KC informs that the officer that Zany had made contact once during the last four weeks. Nope. Nobody named Zani called herself when records proved that. She was unable to provide the deputy with the exact date or time of the call. Said it had been disconnected before anything was said. Okay, right. Casey said she got in a call from a daughter. Kaley has started to tell her what she's been doing.

Casey interrupted her, asked her to put an adult on the phone. Child hung up without telling her how or where she was. There was no way to call her back. The number was blocked. At midnight, a sergeant shows up in Kacey, takes him to Zanny's apartment. When they arrive, doesn't even get out of the car. Just indicates where the unit is in the second floor.

Says it's 2-10. The unit is completely vacant. Who has no interest in going to the department that their child has supposedly been taken to? Someone who already knows the kid isn't there, that's who. Someone who knows the kid's fucking dead. They return to the Anthony household about 4 a.m. Detective Yuri Milic,

arrives to speak with Casey. Before they began, Milic made it clear this was her one chance to be forthcoming with the truth. He shows her the signed four-page document and says, you're sure that everything contained in these statements is true and accurate. She says, yes, that's the truth. Casey says it's a story I'm going to stick with. Story is correct. Casey tells

Detective Milich that she has known Zanny since she was pregnant. According to Casey, she had confided in two people about Kelly's disappearance in the week's following the event. The two people were Jeff Hopkins and her coworker and her coworker, their coworker Juliet Lewis. She did not have a phone number for either person, how convenient. Says they were lost when she switched SIM cards. So ridiculous. Malie asks Casey about her employment.

She says she's worked at Universal Studios for about four years. She said that Zanny also worked there a part time as a seasonal employee. Malie said then asked Casey if she had any problem with drugs or Casey, uh, Kaley took any kind of medication, uh, says no to both. The following morning, Militia goes to the Sawgrass department to inquire for information about Zanny meets with the manager Amanda Macklin and a maintenance man Dave Turner, neither news and Ida, neither news Annie. Macklin stated the department 10 had been vacant for 142 days.

Clearly, Casey had dropped Kayley off, had not dropped Kayley off there that summer. He then ran his name to the computer database and did get a hit. A woman named Zanitigan Zalas, who did come to look at the apartment, or actually not that one, but one of the apartments in that complex on April 17th, never a tenant. But she did complete a guest card left a cell phone number. Maybe, maybe Casey found that card. By 9 a tenant. But she did complete a guest card left a cell phone number. Maybe Casey found that card. By 9 a.m., Malice was at Universal Studios looking for Casey's close personal friends, Jeff and Juliet.

Upon arrival, he's informed that Casey is not employed by Universal Studios. Has it been for over two years? She did work at the park selling souvenir photos to the souvenir shop, right? She'd been selling photos to the souvenir shop. What that was, she'd been fired April 24th, 2006. Malich asked Casey to come meet him at Universal

in an attempt to get her to admit to her lie. Casey approaches a security guard and forms him that she'd forgotten her ID card. He takes her name, runs into the computer when he informs her that they had no record. She persists, stating emphatically that she did work there. How crazy is this? She doesn't work.

The guard requests the name of her supervisor. She doodly doodly provides this name. The three cops then watch this crazy scene unfold. Each intrigue to see how Casey's going to react when she finds out that like this is on or when she, you know, they find out that this is all nonsense. She completely committed to a lie. She had no, there was no chance of being true. To their surprise, Casey, she strides confidently

through the maze of office buildings that housed the business side of Universal Studios. She takes a left of the first building, walks into the roadway, takes the left again at the next intersection, crosses the opposite side of the street through a parking lot, passes the first of two, she's just wandering around, enters the door of another building,

they know this building has never housed the event planning division where she's claiming she worked but she you know just totally confidently she just leads them down one hall way after another whine of a round finally she stops shoves her hands in her back pockets turns them flashes some cute little grin and says okay I don't really work here. Like, did you think they were just gonna fucking give up and be like, all right, sounds legit. I mean, think of the type of person that commits this hard to this insane of a lie. She knows as a lie.

When she's been caught right hand, she finally admits to it, admits it's a lie. She's been telling people for two years. I got, man, the detective takes KC back to the police station to question her. She still refuses to explain where Kalea is. Obviously lying. We can't confront her with her lies. Nothing changes. Casey is arrested on charges of child neglect while at the station. She calls her mom. Check out how cold her conversation is in this transcript. Casey says, you don't know what my involvement is in stuff. Her mom says, Casey, mom, what? No. I don't know what your involvement is sweetheart. You Mom says, Casey, mom, what?

No. I don't know what your involvement is sweetheart. You keep, you're not telling me where she's at because I don't fucking know where she's at. Are you kidding me? Casey, don't waste your call screaming at Holler and me. Waste my call sitting in what? Oh, jail.

Well, whose fault is it that you're sitting in jail? Are you blaming me that you're sitting in jail? Not my fault," says Casey, get the fuck out of here. Cindy says, blame yourself for telling lies. What do you mean it's not your fault? What do you mean it's not your fault, sweetheart? If you'd have told them the truth and not lied about everything,

they wouldn't casing erupts. Do me a favor. Just tell me where Tony's number is. I don't want to talk to you right now, forget it and then hangs up. Doesn't mention Kayleigh one time. Kayleigh is supposedly still out there. Doesn't mention her one fucking time. Just wants no where Tony is. On July 17th, members of the Anthony family appear on TV, appealing for the public's help in finding little Kayleigh. Detective Melch is able to track down a woman going by the name of Zanida who lives in Kissamy, about 30 minutes south of Orlando. She's

about 42, has six children, drives a car with neuro license plates, friendly and cooperative, denies knowing Kayleigh, denies having ever been employed by fucking anyone as a babysitter anywhere. Also on the 17th, a cadaver dog named Jarris is brought into the Anthony home. He picks up the smell of human decomposition in the trunk of the Pontiac case he was driving. On July 22nd, Judge Strickland sets cases bonded $500,000 for felony child neglect. No one has the money, so she remains in jail. On July 23rd and on the 24th, Casey meets with two psychologists and initial reports from both doctors state that she was perfectly normal, no indication of mental illness. She also stated unequivocally that she had never been physically or sexually abused.

The only item of note was an observation made by one of the psychiatrists who reported that Casey was, quote, unusually happy considering her circumstances. That's disturbing. August 26th, over two months after Galey's disappearance, Equal Search, a Texas-based search group dispatched more than 4200 workers and volunteers to look for Kayleigh. They find nothing. On August 27th, Dr. Arpaed Vass, a forensic researcher at Tennessee's Oak Ridge National Laboratory, is brought into examining odor in the trunk of the car. He concludes that it is indeed from human remains. He also finds high levels of chloroform in the trunk of the car.

Hair belonging to Kaylee also found in the trunk of the car. On September 1st, the Orange County Sheriff's Department announced that there was a strong possibility that Kaylee is no longer alive. On October 14th, a grand jury indicts Casey on Capitol murder and other charges within two hours of convening Anthony pleads not guilty Soon after Casey sells photos of Kayleigh to ABC News for 200 grand Yeah, December 3rd the first trial date is set for January 5th 2009 on December 11th

Roy Cronk an Orange County meter reader who called the police over the summer about a suspicious bag in a swamp near the Anthony Residence was revisiting the same swamp on suburban drive. He noted that a gray laundry bag he'd phoned in to report back back in August was still there. Now he had no doubt that the white object he had seen next to the bag was a skull. Causes boss utility company leading to the fourth phone call to the police, alerting them to something important on suburban drive. 938-8-8-8-8-8-8-8-8-8-8-8-8-8-8-8-8-8-8-8-8-8-8-8-8-8-8-8-8-8-8-8-8-8-8-8-8-8-8-8-8-8-8-8-8-8-8-8-8-8-8-8-8-8-8-8-8-8-8-8-8-8-8-8-8-8-8-8-8-8-8-8-8-8-8-8-8-8-8-8-8-8-8-8-8-8-8-8-8-8-8-8-8-8-8-8-8-8-8-8-8-8-8-8-8-8-8-8-8-8-8-8-8-8-8-8-8-8-8-8-8-8-8-8-8-8-8-8-8-8-8-8-8-8-8-8-8-8-8-8-8-8-8-8-8-8-8-8-8-8-8-8-8-8-8-8-8-8-8-8-8- to something important on suburban drive. 938-8th morning, some of the skeletal remains of a child are found. Over the next few days, they find the torso and most of the ribs had been pulled to a secondary

location. The vertebrae had been pulled to a third place. One specific bone, a hip bone, was buried in four inches of muck. The type of accumulation of muck could have occurred only to the movement of water over and around the bone, once it had been moved to that location by an animal Thus it was determined like some scavenger Thus it was determined that the body had fully decomposed prior to the rainy season in July and tropical corn Tropical storm, Fay which hit in mid-August

It appears that the body even wrapped in a baby blanket that had a windy the poo and piglet pattern on it And then stuffed in two garbage bags one side the other for extra strength and all of that inside of a laundry bag. About a foot to the left of the skull was a pair of shorts size 24 months with kind of a striped pattern on them. Everything was pretty shredded. When the skull was examined more closely, duct tape was found to be like three partially overlapping pieces of duct tape. It was this branded name of Henkel. During the search detectives found a number of items that pointed to the remains belonging to Kayleigh Antony, a laundry bag of the same Whitney design brand was found with Kayleigh's remains, like the same with remains, there was also one in the Antony garage. Whitney design was a target product.

The canvas bags line with coated plastic were sold and set to two, one rectangular, one like a cylinder shape. Kaley's remains were in the cylinder, a shaved bag, a rectangular one was found in the house. Venturing back to the house, the search warrant specifically singled out items with Winnie the Pooh and Piglet based on the blanket found on the run the skeleton, the identical pattern of the two characters with numerous places in Kaley's room from our curtains to the bolster on her bed. Cindy would later acknowledge the blanket that went with the bedset was missing.

December 17th, the remains are positively identified as that of Kaley Marie Antony. Dr. David Hall, a retired professor from the University of Florida, and a renowned expert in forensic botany was called to the scene to examine the plants growing in the area where the remains were found. What interested Dr. Haskell to see was what he didn't find. Has the body been placed in the swamp shortly after death? He would have expected to find evidence of large colonies of early colonizers. Instead he found evidence of very few, and though there had been both flies and maggots

in the trunk, these fell in a separate category from the early colonizers that Haskell expected to find. What could explain this? That Kale's body had been in the trunk or some other place for initial decomposition before it was put in the swamp. Late in the evening of January 22nd, Casey's father, George, attempt suicide. Right, the suicide note says, I have lived many years. I am satisfied with my decision because I've never been the man you Lee Casey and especially Kayleigh Marie to serve luckily Paramedics find the before is too late on April 13th the state of Florida announced they planned to seek the death penalty for

Casey Anthony on the charge of first-degree murder a new trial date is set for May 9th 2011 and let's take a look at that trial after today's time-stop timeline Good job soldier. You made it back barely time-stop timeline. Okay, so you already know that Casey Antony was found not guilty, but how? Well Casey Antony juror Jennifer Ford said immediately after the trial that she and the other jurors cried and were sick to our stomachs. After voting to a quick casey Anthony of charges that she killed her two-year-old daughter, Kaylee. I did not say she was innocent," said Ford, who had previously only been identified as

juror number three. I just said there was not enough evidence. If you cannot prove what the crime was, you cannot determine what the punishment should be. Ford told Miran she thought Casey Anthony's claim that her two-year-old daughter actually drowned and that she lied for three years with more believable than the evidence the prosecution presented. Ford said that she couldn't make out logically the prosecution's argument because there were too many unanswered questions about how Kayleigh died, including how Casey Anthony would have used chloroform to smother the two-year-old daughter, then put her in the trunk of her car without anyone seeing her.

If there was a dead child in the trunk, does that prove how she died? No idea. Still no idea. Ford told Moran. If you're going to charge someone with murder, don't you have to know how they killed someone or why they might have killed someone or have something where, when, why, how? Those are important questions they were not answered. Get the fuck out of here.

A lot of people disagree with this, and I'm one of them. People like to judge prosecutor legal experts. What do you mean? Why? It's fucking obvious. Why she did it? Kaley was getting in the way of her party. Essentially, the biggest problem prosecutor's face

in this trial was struggling to prove how Kaley died. By the time her little body was found, it had been over six months, and it decomposed too much to be able to easily, conclusively identify the cause of death. Russell Hweckler, one of the five alternate jurors who was present for all the testimony in sequestered along with the 12 other jurors, said the prosecution failed to prove their case, and there was reasonable doubt. Again, they didn't show us how Kayleigh died. They didn't show us a motive. Casey Anthony's defense team argued that Kayleigh accidentally drowned in the family pool and the

George Anthony, Casey Anthony's father helped expose the body. Also in the trial shocking opening statement, defense attorney Joe's, our Jose bias said that Casey Anthony hit her daughter's death in the same way she hit with the defense claimed was years of sexual abuse by her father and brother. Bias was not allowed to bring up the alleged abuse and closing arguments because Judge Perry didn't believe the abuse had occurred, didn't believe there was enough proof of it. I think the allegations of abuse did taint the jurors perception of Casey.

She became the victim instead of the aggressor. Right? She was the victim of this mean man. These mean men, tiny little pretty Casey, so abused, you know, used to keep secrets. You know, she became so used to keeping secrets. She didn't know it was real, what was fake, including the death of her own daughter. That's why she lied all the time. To me, this just feels like Casey was able to find a defense attorney who was equally manipulative.

Right? Just as lacking in morals as she was. I don't know how certain defense attorneys stomach shit like that. I really don't. I mean, a good ability to rationalize, I guess, maybe an ability to emotionally distance yourself from what the trial is actually about. Turn it into a game where the only object is to win,

even if it means letting the terrible child killer walk free. A child killer who stole from her family, over and over again, stole from her friends, lied to literally every fucking person she knew, killed her daughter so she could party more often on other people's dime, right during the trial through her own father and brother under the bus to ruin their reputations for forever.

I think Casey did it clearly. I think she's a real piece of shit. And since she's free, if you're listening Casey, I hope you're fucking miserable. I hope you hate yourself for what you've done. I hope it haunts you with the rest of your days. But that's just what I think. That's just one opinion.

Let's see what other opinions are out there in today's idiots of the internet. For today's video, I went with the reading of her not guilty verdict. There's a video published by ABC News on July 5, 2011. Most of the commentators seem to feel a lot like I do. The video for being found not guilty has 28,000 dislikes compared to 2,400 likes. So most people not happy with this verdict. Two years ago, user Patrick M. Posts, I'm still shocked no one has murdered her. Yeah, me too.

I mean, honestly, I mean, she's still out there just, you know, living it up, partying, still living in Florida, hasn't changed her name. If Dexter was a real person, she would for sure be dead. User IG Spyda 337 Posts, Casey Anthony and Jody Areas would be great friends, exactly. Or actually, they would despise each other because they're far too similar. Not sure one manipulative evil she devil would enjoy the company of another, right? They'd be competitors for the same dudes

probably. Use use a Rachel petite post what idiots were they and she's referring to the jurors. Were they informed that three months before her child went missing, she had a search history consisting of neck breaking shovels, how to make chloroform, plus she didn't inform that her child was missing for an entire month. People who think she's innocent must be crazy. I'm so sad to see that little Kaylee did not get justice. Exactly. I understand from a legal perspective, thinking maybe she wasn't guilty in a courtroom sense, but actually thinking she was innocent, like some of the people in the comments section seem to think it's

fucking crazy. Sharon true crime post never cried when her baby was found dead, but cries when she finds out she's getting away with it. What does that say? Exactly Sharon. To me, it says she didn't give a single fuck about Kayleigh. She has proven over and over again. She didn't care about her family.

Only cared about herself. Now let's get to some idiotic posts. User, the hours 1000 defends Casey, posting this in regards to people saying she's guilty. He posts, you didn't see it happen, shut up. Ah, I don't think you know how crime works. Hour is 1000. You can still be found guilty with no one sees you

Apparently you didn't know that you can be found guilty when there's no forensic evidence time you do crime scene Circumstantial evidence actually can be enough to convict many people have been convicted by circumstantial evidence And there's enough of it and there was roughly a cubic fuck ton in this case Trials can be very complicated still produce a guilty outcome. That's why you still have the trial when there's no eyewitnesses. Be a lot less trials, right? If it was eyewitness or nothing, just did you see how do it? I know you're honored, but case dismissed. No one saw, so there's no crime. Next case. Casey has a lot of idiot fans in the courtroom. User born yesterday post, imagine banging her as soon as she gets out of court.

Okay. User, uh, Missy Poe posts, I know she killed her kid and all, but I would still totally do her. User Dilbert Doe posts, I want to toss her salad. There are about 2000 comments under this video. I would guesstimate roughly four to five hundred of them are comments along these various, like, like, variations of these comments. four to five hundred of them are comments along these like like variations of these comments. Uh, user Nico posts, if she was a guy, he would have gotten the electric chair, fuck it, exactly. I agree with this 100%. I also think if she was a much less attractive woman, she would have been found guilty.

Casey Antony being in a petite, sexual, attractive woman helped her case immensely. Excuse me. If she would have looked like some big crazy, I'd bearded Swarthly dude, you know, if she attractive woman helped her case immensely. Excuse me. If she would've looked like some big crazy I'd bearded Sworthy dude, you know, if she would've sounded like I do today, for instance, she would've got the death penalty. I don't know, maybe I have a sexy

fun operator voice right now. But many, many studies have shown that attractive people are treated more favorably in life than unattractive people. And that doesn't stop with juries. A 2010 Cornell study found that an unattractive defendant got longer, harsh, or sentences, roughly two years longer in prison than attractive people. The study was called with emotionality, Trump's reason. And it went on to talk about how there are rational thinkers and emotional thinkers. Emotional thinkers are prone to thoughts

like, well, just look at her. She couldn't have done it. She's so nice. She's so small. She's so pretty. I used emotional thinking when I was slutting it up back when I was younger. Numerous times during one night stands, I would not wear a condom because I just didn't think that the girl I was hooking up with looked like somebody who had a STD. No way. She's too hot for a climidia. So dumb, dumb emotional thinking. And I've witnessed it firsthand during a trial, which I'll explain in a little bit here. I will end today's idiots on a random post who cracks me up because it's so fucking weird. User Dom Jervis makes his Casey Anthony post about himself, writing, I wasn't surprised at all.

That prosecutor bears a stunning resemblance to a former coworkworker, the most insane certified public accountant I've ever known in my life. I would have told him to his face and almost certainly would have been dismissed. What? I don't what? You think that Casey Anthony wasn't found guilty because the prosecutor bears an uncanny resemblance to someone who the jury had never seen. One of your fucking former co-workers to someone who the jury had never seen. One of your fucking former co-workers, who was the CPA you didn't care for. What? Like who A thinks something that dumb,

then B writes it out and then C hits enter after writing it. And then D doesn't think, well, fuck am I talking about and delete it? Someone who just thinks, yeah, it's good. It needs to be left here for others to see. Maybe another one of my former co-workers will come across it and be like nailed it, Dom. That guy is totally manny, puplinko. No wonder she got off. Prosecutor looks just like puplinko. No, he likes manny. Stupid prosecutor. Oh, Dom, you get it. You

fucking get it. It is. I'll be into that. Get into that. Alright, so what's the jury right? And I get it if you're new listener. My voice hasn't It is the edge of that edge of that edge of that edge of that edge. All right, so what's the jury right? And again, if you're a new listener, my voice hasn't sounded like this in about five years. It hit the day I have to record before I leave, and I won't be back in time to record before Monday. I'm drinking tea, water, Joe peed in my mouth for 30 seconds, at least nothing.

Nothing's been doing it. I offered a blow-jow. It's a c if that would loop up my throat, but we decided not to take it that far because of some kind of weird, I don't know, feelings he has and work situations he thought would make things awkward to the next recording. But seriously, this is not how you normally is. So, what was the jury right? Was there just not enough evidence to convict her? Was it too circumstantial? Let's check in with some experts who were interviewed by CNN ten years after the trial ended.

Bell and Perry, the judge, says, I thought the state had approved its case. I thought, while they may have had some flaws in their case, there was a high probability the case you would be found guilty of some form of homicide. And that did not occur. The defense threw out a lot of theories. They threw out that she drowned.

They tried to build on the inference that the gate was open, that the ladder was down, that she was known to go out the door, go up to the pool because she liked water. There was no evidence that that had happened. The most logical thing that happened, he said, was that she tried to knock her daughter out by the use of chloroform, gave her too much chloroform, which caused her daughter to die. So, the judge, years later, still thinks the case he killed Kayleigh. And also thinks there was enough evidence presented to convict her. Detective John Allen, who supervises investigation in Kayleigh's death, said,

once we toss Kayleigh's car to the forensic's bay, it smelled of a dead body. We listened to the 911 tape. It seemed very unlikely that we were looking for a live child. He says, you know, in any interrogation, you try to find what motivates a person to tell the truth. You try to give them a reason to tell the truth. And I didn't know that anything we would have done with her would have made a difference.

I mean, some people you may appeal to their sense of guilt or remorse. And that certainly wasn't going to motivate Casey because she's never, at least any time that I've ever seen her, seemed to have any remorse at all. So I don't know. I'm not really sure how we would approach it with her that would have motivated her to tell the truth. So clearly the detective still feels like she did it and clearly still thinks she's fucking sociopath. And then there's the medical exam. I found this very interesting. Dr.

Jan Garovellia. The main problem was the jury not being feeling confident that she was murdered, right? Not knowing for sure that she was murdered. Well, the medical examiner basically thinks that the jury just either wasn't smart enough to understand that there was, in fact, evidence of murder or that they just let themselves be manipulated by just, you know, defense team kind of like an legal mumbo jumbo. This is what she says. Looking back 10 years, what I was most appalled with was the lack of truth, the lack of substantiated information. You could just say lies, not back it up by any kind of evidence, and it was allowed.

That was a turning point for me. This has been happening more and more in the past 10 years, but this was the first time that I had to deal with it in society. Sometimes the truth doesn't matter, and if you say it loud enough and often enough, people get confused and start believing you, clearly talking about the jury.

As a medical examiner, we're expected to do a few things, identify the body, come up with a cause of death. Why that person died in the manner of death. We don't look at just what the autopsy or what just what the body shows. We look at the scene, we look at the circumstances, we look at what's going on preceding the death. In this case, we have a child that is not reported missing.

When the child is reported missing by the grandmother, there is no explanation. There's credible of what happened to the child. The body has clearly been hidden. It has been put in two plastic bags, then put in a canvas bag, then thrown behind a rotting log, a couple blocks from the Anthony House. Then we have the duct tape that's still present on her face.

Those three things together clearly make this a homicide. It's not changed in my mind. It's not changing the police's mind. It's not changing the prosecutor's mind. There is absolutely no proof this is an accidental death. Sometimes I think science took a back seat to truth with Casey Anthony. And now my last thought. I served on one jury.

A DUI trial the last just one day, a couple years ago. For my stand up fans, this happened after my jury's duty. Jury's story, excuse me, in the judge knew my jury joke, still had me served, which is crazy. That's whole another thing. Anyway, this kid, 22 year old kid, rectus truck around 3 a.m. on a Saturday night, around post-falls Idaho, drove it up an exit ramp to the freeway. So now he's driving the wrong way and the fucking freeway. Passes out behind the wheel, drives across the

median, drives across the other side of the freeway, drives off the bank, rolls down the hill. When the cops show up, his blood alcohol levels over three times of legal limit. They find over six open cans of beer, either in the cab of his truck or nearest truck, cans that have fallen out when he rolled down the hill. He admitted to going to a bar with friends at night, admitted to drinking, claims he had two drinks. Yeah, right. Went to a party to friends house after the bar's closed down, claims he only drank water there and sobered up.

Says he crashed because he was tired for a long week of work, said the accident shook him up, and he pounded half a dozen beers on the embankment to calm down. Yeah, that's what happened. And if I was not in the jury, he would have walked for sure. One of the other jurors was worried about him

maybe losing his job because of a DIY conviction didn't want to convict him because of that. What the fuck did that have to do with the case? He's worried about how this would impact his kid financially. Another juror, this dude was nuts, was gonna let him go because this guy didn't like cops. He had a couple of bad experiences getting pulled over thought cops were assholes thought they were power trippers and he felt like submitting a guilty verdict would be siding with the cops.

Dude, when I confronted this guy in this about how fucking nonsense goes that was he literally shook like he's gonna have some kind of weird anxiety breakdown. Emotional thinkers. Emotional thinkers, these two dudes and also let's be honest fucking idiots. The dude who hated thinkers, emotional thinkers, these two dudes. And also, let's be honest, fucking idiots. The dude who hated cops, you know, fucking idiot, lettuce feelings about cops getting the way of a completely separate case, got legitimately angry. You know, the other guy to some more on who doesn't understand how fucking trials work at all. Why do I think Casey Anthony got away with murder? Because sometimes getting judged by your peers is a terrible system.

Sometimes when dirt bags go on trial, their peers are just as ridiculous and idiotic as they are. Sad but true. Time now for top five takeaways. Number one, July 5, 2011, a Florida jury finds Casey and Zanine not guilty on counts one through three regarding first to remurder aggravated manslaughter of a child aggravated child abuse. Casey's found guilty on counts four through seven for providing false information to law enforcement. After getting credit for time served during a trial, Casey's released from prison 12 days later on July 17, 2011.

Number two, the last time anyone saw Kaylee was June 16th, 2008. The police wouldn't be notified about her disappearance until July 15th. And only then because Casey's mom Cindy finally tracked her down, called the police after being lied to for a month. Number three, when initially questioned by the police about what happened to her daughter, Casey lied about where she worked, who was watching her daughter, where she had been for the past month, and more everything. Basically, Casey told nothing but lies to the police, who were talking to her because

they wanted to try to find her two-year-old daughter. You need to know the truth to find someone in that situation, who lies, and that situation, nobody innocent. Number four, we still don't know who the actual father of Kaley was. Casey named so many men and the one dude who looked into it found out he was not a father. There's a good chance Casey herself has no idea. Number five, new info, where is Casey now? This is gonna piss you off.

As recently as 2017, she was running a small daycare in Orlando just outside of Universal Studios. It's called Zanny, the nanny's childcare. And apparently she's doing pretty well. She's lost three kids, and that's fucking, that's fucking nonsense. No. I'm so messed up. Last time she gave an interview in 2000. This is still going to piss you off though. Last time she gave an interview in 2017. She was living with a man named Patrick J. McKenna and South Florida, who is he? He was a lead investigator for her defense team. McKenna was the lead investigator for OJ Simpsons defense team when Simpsons was accused of killing

the cold brown Simpsons and Ron Goldman. He also helped get William Kennedy, a member of the Kennedy family, acquitted from a rape charge or rape conviction in 1991. Casey does research now for McKenna, who's over 30 years older than her. In my mind, he's clearly, they're clearly fucking. In my mind, I'm reading into what someone I admit. She found this old dude, she'd done the trial,

she manipulated him to actually just like she did the dude after dude after dude before the trial. And, you know, talk to him and taking care of her after the trial. She's living a nice life, a mechanic funded a photography business of hers for a while. She lives in mechanic's house. She takes pictures like she was when she was actually working in Universal Studios. He lets her do research. And apparently she doesn't care what you think about her.

She said in this last interview, I don't give a shit when anyone thinks about me. I never will. I'm okay with myself. I sleep pretty good at night. She also doesn't seem to care or understand how weird it was to lie like she did. She says, people lie to the cops every day. I'm just one of the unfortunate idiots who admitted they lied. No emotion whatsoever in this interview other than maybe a little bit of a smirk, such a piece of shit. And that's it for today's Top 5 takeaways. Time suck, top five takeaways.

Casey Anthony has been sucked. I did my best, A for effort. I did my research. I know I wasn't able to sell it like normal, but I still got it done. I got it done. Okay, I'm sure we'll get some good updates about this one because there's so much info. I edited this episode more than any episode I've ever done and it still has the longest word count. So much to this, but I think

we nailed the important parts today. Our justice system is run by imperfect meat sex and therefore, you know, it's never going to be perfect. And just like innocent people sometimes get convicted, sometimes guilty people go free. You know, it's frustrating, but it happens, and it'll continue to happen. And I firmly believe Casey got really, really lucky with this justice system. Thank you to the TimeSuck team.

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It's gonna be fun. Trust me. I got over two weeks now, two weeks to get ready. I'll be healthy. Right now I'm exhausted. The suck was a big one. Let's get into today's time-sucker updates. Updates. Get your time, sucker updates. Today's first update comes in from Thomas Fog, regarding my thoughts. A few sucks back on socialism, communism, the notion that all men are created equal. so informative and well written. I had to share it. Thomas writes, greetings

master sucker. I just wanted to open up a quick dialogue about socioeconomic systems, how they affect the quality of life of individuals governed by them, and their effects on the world as a whole. Let me first acknowledge that two of the strongest economies, nations, and indeed idealistic structures are the United States and China. A capitalist and a communist, these are both in quotes, nation respectively. Let me also say that while the United States is a capitalist right-wing country on paper, it also has a significant amount of socialist policies as you stated in your Pedro Lope as episode.

On the flip side, while China is a communist left-wing country on paper, it has a significant amount of socialist policies in the other direction. What I'm saying is we both have more in common than either side is willing to agree on. The real problem with labeling China a communist nation is that the description is limited to describing how the monetary structure of the country works and not the power structure. China is a leninist communist country, as opposed to Marxist communism, where the government has a fascist reign or the people both economically and socially. For example, there are words that are illegal to use in China in public and on social media. But again, the issue most people have with this system is fascism versus liberalism, as opposed to communism versus capitalism. We all know about communist dictators,

currently in previously in the world, but we often forget about the dictators of the other two systems. Hitler, of course, is the best contemporary example of the socialist dictator, and I can't think of a better example of a capitalist dictator than Julius Caesar. On the other side of that coin,

we can actually see examples of countries that were too liberal. The United States original government consisted of the Articles of Confederation before the Constitution was adopted. The federal government was so liberal, they didn't have the power to collect taxes from citizens. So we see that the Goldilocks zone is somewhere in the middle between fascism and liberalism, regardless of how far to one side one believes is right. While I acknowledge the problems with communism, I know you're already aware of the evils and drawbacks the system can have with the best of

intentions because of human nature, so I'll gloss over most of it. The big takeaways are the lack of incentive for effort, as well as greed, ruining stages of production, and preventing actual redistribution. The positives to this system, however, actually do seem to work in smaller sample groups, with the obvious flaw being they don't work on a country-wide basis. But let's talk about the drawbacks of end-level capitalism, where the US is heading long-term without change. You said you were for the idea of a free higher education system for those who test well enough to get in, and that would be a good idea. While, like Marxist Communism,

this would be a great idea under ideal circumstances. The size of the argument against help make the smart smarter, you may not think about, you may not think about, are the lower class and subsequent minority groups that would be excluded because of this. On average, predominantly white schools have better curriculums, better technology, better school activities, better student engagement. Conversely, the school population itself are the most are black and Latino heavy schools. Black and Latino people aren't racially quote unquote, dumber than white people, but they will regularly score lower on standardized tests due to education and equality and racial misrepresentation.

That doesn't even include the fact that these minority groups are stuck in a cycle of systematic poverty or systemic poverty, racial profiling, prison states, societal backlash. As the Netflix documentary series explained, put it, if you were to start a race and the leaders in that race were given a 400-year-old head start, it doesn't truly matter how fast you are if you could never hope to catch up. True capitalism doesn't take care of the lower class, and in fact needs the lower class to stay where it is to work a cheap labor for the upper class. The upper class is allowed to run larger and larger corporations and in turn spend vast amounts of wealth and resources lobbying the democratic government into making decisions

better for the few rather than the many. The real problem with pure capitalism as a socio-economic system rather than just an economic system, is that the individual has no power and corporations become the entities, the government serves. I'm not saying socialism is the best system, but I do believe it is the most moderate agreement between the socially idealistic Marxist communism and the aggressive realism of end-level capitalism.

In truth, neither one can truly exist in practice, but consider this, we the United States, the wealthiest country on the planet, with the best medical, technological and agricultural infrastructure, have the highest cost of healthcare and prescription drugs, even the ones like insulin, that people literally can't go without. Have one of the worst educational systems of virtual countries, especially considering we have the largest budget. And according to the USDA, still have one in six struggling with hunger. I'm not saying I have all the answers.

I'm just saying there are certainly times when cold logic is the right path, but without idealism and the thought for the little guy who cares how wealthy someone is in a system. I don't care about the Kim family, North Korea's massive wealth because the quality of life for an average North Korean is not great as you found out on your North Korea suck. Lastly, because I know this email is absolutely way too long and I love that I'm reading it when I had the least amount of voice. Somehow you missed the point of all men are created equal and hit the nail in the head at the same time.

The saying isn't meant to mean we are all born perfecting with the same abilities. It's used by Thomas Jefferson in the Declaration of Independence when he famously wrote, we hold these truths to be self-evident that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their creator with certain unalienable rights that among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. He wasn't saying we were all brilliant military strategists like George Washington, brilliant thinkers like Benjamin Franklin, or great in his eyes like any found in father. He was saying that nobody was created better than anyone, even if he did famously own slaves at the time. I'm not saying he wasn't hypocrite,

but like you said, it's okay that you aren't the smartest, the best, the fastest, the strongest, et cetera. I hope that I hope that this email at least gets you to think about different points of view, even on toucher subbex that could be one sided. If you take the time to read this email in its entirety, just know that even though one sided. If you take the time to read this email in its entirety, just know that even though we sometimes have different opinions of the world, I still absolutely continue to be a faithful listener, you are a long time listener and cult member,

the nerd with too much time on his hands, Thomas Fog. Man, thank you, Thomas, wow. You know, you've written to me for and I always appreciate it. I feel like you have one of those unibomber levels of IQ, my friend, at least at camper level of IQ. And I would do an end camper joke right now, but it would rip my throat apart. Thank you for the well written explanation.

I feel like my perspective has been expanded a bit and the perspectives of the time-sick communities well. Yeah, pure capitalism can be a little heartless. I get that, I see that. And I do think, yeah, I think the capitalism infused with some socialist elements probably would be ideal. It's also very hard to process. It's so complicated. It's the reason I haven't done too many economic or political sucks. So many factors, not my area of expertise, which is why I love updates like this. I have so much to learn. Thank you for teaching

me. You beautiful bastard. I'm hoping a little what you said said sinks in the old brain noggin. Hail Nimrod. Okay, next update is regarding some old time crime and punishment coming from beautiful UK sucker Ian Kilpatrick. Ian writes, Hey, master sucker, just a quick update on the Pinkerton episode. When talking about the Hugh and Cry system in Anglo-Saxon England, you said that the whole hundred shall be answerable for any theft or robbery in effect of form of collective punishment.

However, the hundred referred to is actually the name for an administrative area within a county at that time. Not the amount of people required to take part. Thanks for all the time. Passion to love you, put into the suck. It's joy to listen to. Keep on sucking Ian and Durham, England. Ah, damn it.

Well, thank you, Ian. That does make more sense than holding a random 100 people responsible. Still interesting, that the community in some form or some area would be collectively held responsible for cash and criminal before they were dedicated law enforcement officers. Maybe if the community was held responsible

for certain punishments, maybe KC Anthony wouldn't be free right now. Thank you for sucking in from across the Atlantic. Tell your friends, tell your friends if I can get over there. A pronunciation update from Big Rick says, Howdy Master Sucker, the Ever Noble and Hilary's Pond Tips of the Podcast. I discovered the stuff to one of your messages while listening to your standup on Pandora. Roughly halfway through the Lincoln assassination episode, I realized I'd found my newest addiction.

Today I became a spaceless or de-ass hail named Rod Pratial Jangles. Now on to the reason I decided to type this message to you. Listening to the monster of the Andy Suck used the word chassis, and because I said it chastis, like I almost did there, and completely destroyed the pronunciation. Common pronunciation will be chassis. This is one of those words that is near and dear to my heart as I am a tuner on my friend's racing team, while trip racing. Not the famous ones. Also want to say this suck has helped me to the absolute worst year of my life. Throughout a severe about depression, the suck was there to help me deal with it.

Fuck yeah, man. I'm glad. Looking forward to seeing you when you come to Richmond in August. Oh man, I'm looking forward to getting to Richmond. If at all possible, if you could spare a few minutes talk to me, that'd be amazing. If you do end up reading this, I'm sorry if I linked my message. Why will I will talk to you? I've been talking to people I've just, that's few minutes to talk to me, that'd be amazing. If you do end up reading this, I'm sorry if I'd linked my message. I will talk to you. I've been talking to people I've just, that's probably why I think my voice is gone, to be honest.

I had a lot of people to talk to you in Nashville and Huntsville and stuff, but you know what? Worth it. Thank you, Big Rick. Yeah, man. Damn, I'm ashamed of myself. I shouldn't be allowed to drive a truck anymore or have a beard. I should be only given a thin mustache and be allowed scooter status. I should have to wear a thin mustache

and slowly ride a scooter to work because of how I say chassis. Clearly I'm not a gear head, but I do think that she's cool. That's the accounts for a little bit, right? Probably not. I'll see her richman Rick, he'll name right. Another quick pronunciation update from Juan Hermirez

who rides deer suck with teeth. The class is a French name, so it's pronounced the class. I almost said the place again. Yes, rhymes was ass. Now I'd like to share my favorite anecdote about the mathematician, Pierre S Laplace. Isaac Newton's work describing planetary movements didn't match observations quite a hundred percent right, which led him to conclude that God's hand

must periodically intervene to maintain stability. Years later, Pierre S Laplace improved Newton's math and fixed the problems. When Napoleon bought a part, met Laplace, he said, Mr. Laplace, they tell me you wrote this large book about the work of the universe. Yeah, you never mentioned his creator. And Laplace's answer was, I had no need of that hypothesis. Boom. Anyway, keep doing your kick ass work. Love every single thing about time-soak. Cheers. Oh, man. Thank you. Thank you. I appreciate that one. I had no idea. I had so many math people. Now, there's so many math people. New about Laplace. That's some other people corrected me about Laplace.

I like, I like knowing you smarties are out there to fill in the holes. Now, for a quick and final Pedro Lopez episode update from Chad. Thank you for leaving your pronunciation guide for your name. Shomant. Chad Shomant. Fucking French names. Goddamn. Chad Rice, you got me a time suck and mother fucker.

I'm a truck driver from South Texas and I've faced the list and time suck while delivering people's random shit. I was listening to the Pedro Lopez suck. And when I heard about the Ombre and Sinoans that ate a woman's face off in Brownsville, Texas, my neck of the woods at a nursing home, I immediately paused the episode, pulled into a rest stop, Googled this ant, nothing popped up. So I called my wife to see if she saw this on the news. Before she answered, I realized that you got me and I bought your bullshit hookline and sinker. Bravo sir.

Bravo. Anyways, I'm sure you're going to kick out of this when you hear about it. So I want to let you know you got me. I do get a kick out of it. Already about to take us to see your show in Houston. Fuck. Yes. Can't wait to see you.

Hopefully I get to meet you and shake your hand for sure. Keep up the good work, bro. Chad Shomon. Cage and French means sucker of the suck. I doubt that's true, but I like it. Keep up the good work, bro. Chad Shomon, Cajun French means sucker of the suck. I doubt that's true, but I like it. Hey, don't remember how to give old jangles a treat, say hi to the queen of the suck and have a good one.

I love hearing that, Chad. And again, thanks for the phonetic God. I'll see you in Houston. I think it's the secret group, it's a cool venue. And keep an eye out for those fake ants, man. It's because I bullshitted about, it's because I made them up. It doesn't mean I don't know, they could be real.

You fucking never know. Just be careful. And for all I know, for all you know, maybe ants are gonna try to get your fucking face off. So I hope that doesn't happen. Before sincerely, before I see him Houston. Thanks, time suckers. I need a net. We all did.

Thanks again for listening. Let me do what I love to do. Me, sax, apologize again for the voice. I did my best. We stopped down and recorded this was a long recording. I would go gargle water. I would go drink tea with honey in it. I would chew on many a cough drop. I would drink other hot liquids. I pounded so much water just to try and get it over loose, try to use it more exfoliants,

blow them a no. Fuck what it just won't, it's what it is. It's just done. Thanks for being awesome. Please don't get your kids this week. Do me that, do me that small favor. And if you do, fish up. You kill them, fish up.

Don't lie. Don't throw other friend members into the bus. And even maybe more importantly, keep on sucking. One thing is one thing. It's so hard to do, of podcasting, and I have a voice. It's a weird thing, like every job has their thing. Like I've thought, I have weird fantasies in my hairline, I thought, like, well, even if I got my fucking arms chopped off,

some maniac, come on, arms off, maybe come on legs off, like I'm busted my spine, you can still, I can dictate, you can still like just lay me out on the table, I can just, I can record, if I lost my sight You can still like just lay me out on a table. I can just record. If I lost my site, you still record. You know, if I went deaf, it'd be hard. If I went deaf, it would be hard.

But it's possible. People, some people do it. So I could figure it out. But you know, voice, if you're mute, real, it's real hard. I mean, I guess technically I could have a robot, actually just type everything and then a robot, well, you know what, that's what we need to do. I'm gonna look into that. I mean, I guess technically I could have a robot boy. I could just type everything and then a robot Well, you know what that's what we need to do. I'm gonna look into that. I gotta make a note make robot Match voice get a call hold on call Elon Musk and we are friends call Elon Musk

My lost his number I can ask Eddie Vetter for it Call Eddie Vetter when you see him. You know what? I'm gonna see Eddie Vetter just in a couple days we're gonna go work on some songs. Ask for a long musk number. I'll call E and I'll get a clone Android AI thing. We've been programming.

Okay, done. Okay done.