Timesuck with Dan Cummins - 132 - Order of the Solar Temple Doomsday Cult

Episode Date: March 25, 2019

On October 4th, 1994 the dead bodies of two Solar Temple cult members and their baby are found in Morin Heights, Quebec. All three have been stabbed to death. The baby has had a wooden dagger run through its heart in an obvious ritual killing. Forty-eight other cult members would take their lives that evening. And then another sixteen in 1995. And then five more in 1997. Why? Why did so many cult members take their own lives? What did these people believe in? Madness. They believed in so much madness. And I'll break that madness down and tell the story of the formation and destruction of this strange cult today on Timesuck. Upcoming Happy Murder Tour Standup dates: March 28 Naples, Florida - Off the Hook Comedy Club CLICK HERE for tix! March 30 Miami, Florida - The Improv CLICK HERE for tix! April 4-6 Cleveland, Ohio - Hilarities CLICK HERE for tix! April 11th Des Moines, Iowa - The Funny Bone CLICK HERE for tix! April 12-13 Kansas City, Missouri - The Improv CLICK HERE for tix! ** LIVE ANT HILL KIDS CULT TIMESUCK April 6 Cleveland - Hilarities CLICK HERE for tix! ** LIVE ANT HILL KIDS CULT TIMESUCK April 14 Nashville - Zanies CLICK HERE for tix! Listen to the best of my standup on Spotify! (for free!) https://spoti.fi/2Dyy41d Timesuck is brought to you by the following sponsors: The Thrilling Adventure Hour Podcast! Listen wherever you listen to podcasts! Quip! Go to GETQUIP.com/TIMESUCK to get your first refill pack for FREE with a Quip electric toothbrush Indochino! Get a premium suit for just $359 at Indochino.com when entering TIMESUCK at checkout Watch the Suck on Youtube (new and improved audio!): https://youtu.be/_2WwiRMmXeo Merch - https://badmagicmerch.com/ Want to try out Discord!?! https://discord.gg/tqzH89v Want to join the Cult of the Curious private Facebook Group? Go directly to Facebook and search for "Cult of the Curious" in order to locate whatever current page hasn't been put in FB Jail :) For all merch related questions: https://badmagicmerch.com/pages/contact Please rate and subscribe on iTunes and elsewhere and follow the suck on social media!! @timesuckpodcast on IG, @timesuckpodcast on Twitter, and http://www.facebook.com/timesuckpodcast Wanna be a Space Lizard? We're over 4000 strong! Click here: https://www.patreon.com/timesuckpodcast Sign up through Patreon and for $5 a month you get to listen to the Secret Suck, which will drop Thursdays at Noon, PST. You'll also get 20% off of all regular Timesuck merch PLUS access to exclusive Space Lizard merch. You get to vote on two Monday topics each month via the app. And you get the download link for my new comedy album, Feel the Heat. Check the Patreon posts to find out how to download the new album and take advantage of other benefits

On October 4th, 1994, the dead bodies of two solar temple cult members and their baby are found in Marin Heights. Quebec, all three have been stabbed to death. The baby has had a wooden dagger run through its heart in an obvious ritual killing. Later that night, a little before midnight, residents of the small Swiss village of Suri noticed that a fire had started in the Lasha red farm at the heights around the village. A farm owned by the temple. 23 bodies are found, bodies wearing night's template robes. Another 25 cult members bodies are found in Savan, including the bodies of the two leaders, Joseph Demombro and Dr. Luke Shire. Over a year later, late in the evening of December 15th, 1995, 16 more solar temple members die in another mass suicide.

Their bodies discovered in a star formation in the mountains of France. On the morning of March 23rd, 1997, five more temple members took their own lives in Sanca's Mir Quebec right after setting their home on fire. Why? Why did all this happen? Why did the members of the order of the solar temple feel the need to die? What did they think their deaths would accomplish? What did this cult even believe in? How did this cult get started? Who were Joseph DeMombro and

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Roman shield, or your parents' forehead's dead or alive. Now, let's take the cult to curious, right into another cult that is, I guess, also curious and much more insane. The Order of the Solar Temple. sample. Uh, dig it into today's story. I wonder why do some doomsday cults become much more well-known than others? Over 70 members of the Order of the Solar Temple would die from either suicide or be murdered by other cult members, including the brutal ritual stabbing of an infant that I mentioned earlier.

If a cult ordered murder of a baby isn't worthy of sensational headlines, I don't know what is. Compare this to 39 people who died in the heavens gate mass suicide. The cult we discussed back in suck 54. Both cults had the members take their lives in the mid to late 90s. One cult at least in America is far more widely known. cult at least in America is far more widely known. On October of 1994, you know, over 50 members of the solar temple and Canada and Switzerland died, the heavens gate members lost just under 40 members, you know, or the heavens gate cult, excuse me, lost just under 40 members in March of 1997. And I've just heard way more about heavens gate than I ever had. I've ever heard about the solar temple called. And again, why?

I think some of it might be the name. You can't underestimate the marketing power of a good name. Like a Starbucks wasn't named Starbucks. What if it was called like Johnny Dingo's coffee circus? Do you really think it would be his popular? I don't. Want me to have a Johnny Dingo?

Want to grab a biggie, cherries, and cream, dingle, chino? And Johnny Dingles, coffee circus? Of course not. At least not maybe as often. I mean, one time it would be pretty funny. Heaven's Gate for Me is a little catchier moniker than order of the solar temple. Order of the solar temple sounds boring to me.

It also sounds too new AG. And for many of us Americans, a new AG things are more confusing than like UFO lore or Judeo-Christian-based kind of belief systems, you know, the makings of Heaven's Gate. Order of the solar temple sounds like a place where a bunch of trust funders would meet and sit on yoga mats and drink organic teas. Sounds like a room, like organic teas with pretentious names, you know, you know, Asian dreams or just like weird shit, you know, crystal, crystal vibrations. Sounds like a room

fully crystal somewhere around Mount Shasta, California or Sedona, Arizona, room full of people talking NPR monotone whispers about opening shock ruzz or being more receptive to light. But Julie covered vegans discussing some new recipe for some soy and lentil and beet salad or some shit. I'm sure the lack of the solar temples notoriety for me is also partly to do to heaven's gate suicides taking place in the United States. Whereas the solar temple desk took place in Canada, Switzerland and France, I feel like we Americans tend to love stories more when they are more connected to us and

have taken place closer to us. But I also think there's more to it than that. I think the main reason I've heard far more about the heaven's gate, Colt and the solar temple called is because the heaven's gate narrative appears at first glance at least to be simpler, a lot simpler and sexier. It's a story built for the masses, right? Like weirdo convinces other weirdos to all dress up and matching outfits and kill themselves

so they can board the same spaceship. Pretty straightforward. I'm interested. Sounds fun. Marshall Appowite, you know, aka Bo, aka Do, and his crew were trying to hop on a spaceship. Weird, insane, completely ludicrous, but I get it. You know, Heavens Gate members thought a spaceship

was traveling behind the comment Halebop, which was coming as close to Earth as it would come for many, many years. And they believed that one of their two co-founders, Bonnie Nettles, aka Peep, aka T, you know, a woman who had shed her mortal skin over a decade back was on board the ship. They thought hopping aboard the spaceship

would allow them to live forever together and travel to galaxy as part of space, Jesus' special heaven crew. Cool story. Cool nicknames. I am for sure in. Now the heavens Gators, they thought Earth was about to be recycled, aka renewed, refurbished, rejuvenated. And the only chance to survive this cleansing was to leave our planet. They believed to be eligible for membership in the next level. Humans would have to shed every attachment to the planet. They thought evil aliens had corrupted humanity, including all religion. I believe that Jesus was essentially another kind of alien. And the aliens planted the seeds of current humanity millions of years ago. They were now coming back to reap the harvest of their work in the form of spiritually evolved individuals who would

join the ranks of flying saucer crews Only a select few members of humanity will be chosen to advance to this transhuman state And they were those chosen few exciting Taking a ride on space Jesus his spaceship because you're one of the most evolved humans that earth has ever seen Right cool shit totally fucking crazy, but it makes for a nice easy to understand stories And people believe that God was alien. The God created life on Earth as an experiment. And as a test, that most of humanity failed to test.

God was going to end the current test. Start over. Only a few people had passed. The heavens gate people. And they get to move on to the next video game level. And to get on that spaceship, right, there were some cool extra details. You had to have a matching track suit on.

You had to have 575 in in your pocket because for some reason alien god has given human spirits the ability to travel through fucking space and catch spaceships but only when the spaceships are within a certain distance from earth and only if they have the right space fair right come on come on evil well you think your spirit can catch a spaceship when it's like two galaxies away? Get the fuck out of here. That's not how alien gods set up spirit travel. It's duh. He's not all powerful.

He's just mostly powerful. But with the order of the solar temple, you have to dig a bit deeper to understand it. It's not a straightforward. And I know you might be thinking that didn't sound all that straightforward. Comparatively, Heavens gate much more straightforward. Solar temple much more convoluted on the surface. The solar beliefs are messier and their deaths were messier right more violent

Baby was involved no matching tracksuits. No no change Is that why I didn't get the same press? I don't know. I mean Charles Manson the Manson family murders fucking super messy super super violent Also super memorable got tons of press we heard a lot about the Manson murders and about Charlie himself. Why do we hear more about them? Probably because Manson, that story involved celebrities. We love celebrity gossip as a culture. And maybe because Charles Manson lived and provided like America with a, and I guess the rest of the world with a fascinating, insane, and strangely charismatic media personality.

Right? The prison gibberish, he would dispense via numerous interviews, very entertaining. The solar temple does not have a man's and equivalent. Neither of their two leaders were nearly as outlandish in appearance or actions as a man's and no swastika is carved at any foreheads, no delusions of rock and roll stardom, never lived with any beach boys. And, you know, man's and could be kind of funny. These guys, not funny.

But I do think their actual story is just as interesting as the Manson family or as the, you know, Heaven's Gate story. I hope you agree by the end of this tale. And if you made it this far, I know you're at least curious. After soaking in the glow of the solar temple for over a week, got ahead, started and suck. I think I do understand these wacky noodles. As much as one can who doesn't share their belief system, the story is a hell of the suck. I think I do understand these wackadudils as much as one can who doesn't share their belief system. The story is a hell of a tale. Everybody is fascinating to me as these others. And the story of the order of the solar cult revolves mainly around the lives of two men. So let's talk about these two fruit loops before we jump into the

timeline of the development of their actual cult. The main man behind the order of the solar temple is one Joseph de Mombro, Joey Mombo, Joy Cuckoo, Joy Wackadoodle. The other is Dr. Luke Jure, since Joseph is the first and I think most important founder, let's start with him. Then on to Dr. Luke, then on to the timeline. Does that sound good, meat sex?

Is that okay? Good, let's do it. Let's find out how many French names I can absolutely butcher today. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Joseph was born in Ponce, Espoiré, in the French Department of God and Southern France on August 19th, 1924. This is a town I thought I talked about in the MK Ultra Suck way back, but my notes say I did not.

I definitely read about it that week though. Small town of roughly 10,000 less than 5,000 in the mid 20th century known amongst diehard LSD and conspiracy enthusiasts for an outbreak of mass hallucinations in August of 1951. When he was a living there, August 15th, roughly 250 people in this town lost their fucking minds. Over 50 would be committed to asylum. Some blame the CIA and their project MK Ultra Mind controlled experiments. We talked about in BonoSuck 8,

suck eight, excuse me, historians tend to blame St. Anthony's fire, AKA, Irgit Poisoning or Irgitism. That's something we talked about way back in his Salem witch trials, BonoSuck 9. Irgit is a fungal disease, the result of a mold that grows on grain, often ryered, and

ingesting too much of it can cause extremely powerful hallucinations amongst a plethora of other less-fod symptoms. LSD, aka the hallucinogenic drug acid chemically derived from urgant. And I just love that I just include this because I loved it the main mind behind today's cult, which has mythology seemingly invented by someone in the midst of a powerful hallucination, was born in a town mostly known for people experiencing a powerful group hallucination. At the age of 16, after we can assume what was a fairly normal childhood since nothing has ever been written to the contrary, Joseph began an apprenticeship as a watchmaker and jeweler very soon became fast and it was s o terracism.

A term that has a lot of complex definitions, but his best summed up is believing that there is secret knowledge in our world reserved for a small group of truth seekers. Yeah, and he got into this and his late teens. This was becoming very popular at the time in certain places in Europe, especially France and Switzerland. And today, Suck is full of Esseltericism, full of so much secret knowledge hunting. Esseltericism is the belief system that continues to fuel interest in shows like the history channels, the curse of Oak Island. Right, if those treasure seekers dig far enough, they just might find the arc of the covenant. And they can find that, they can unleash a mystical power unlike anything the world has seen in recent years because the arc of the covenant and they can find that they can unleash a mystical power

Unlike anything the world has seen in recent years because the arc is magical and why does esotericism even exist? Why do people actually think there is even a remote possibility? There's some powerful secret artifact could even be real let alone buried in a place like Oak Island Well because people fucking love magic. People love a belief in powerful secrets. And if you can just find that ex-caliber, you can be king. You know, that type of mythology feeds the same human desire, I think, is like a get rich quick schemes.

I think it's part of the same kind of motivation why people buy lottery tickets, right? There's secret, powerful information out there. There's winning numbers out there. If you can just find them, if you can guess what they are, you can change your life substantially and have anything you've ever wanted.

I get it, it's a fun fantasy to live in. We see people become rich every year now, through instantaneous social media fame or athletic giant contracts, it's aspirational, fuels our own dreams of achieving the same level of success. We know it's possible, we see it. And esotericism trumps even those tails,

like fuck hitting the lottery. It's way bigger than that. What if you could find hidden knowledge that would allow you to have preposterous wealth and rule the world and maybe like move on to live in another dimension, all kinds of whatever. Insane, fantastical, magical shit. You know, you can live as another dimension, all kinds of whatever. Insane, fantastical, magical shit. You know, you can live as a god, all kinds of stuff.

You know, there's no limit to what can happen with this belief system. In January of 1956, now 32-year-old Joseph joins the ancient and mystical order, Rosa Crucius, AMORC, to achieve a belong, for at least a dozen years until 1968 to this first order. In the 1960s, through this organization, he would establish important links with several people who would later play crucial roles in the order of the solar temple. People like Jacques Brayer, the man responsible for a Templar resurgence in France in 1952, started in 1952, Templar referring to, of course, the Knight's Templar resurgence in France in 1952, starting in 1952, Templar referring to, of course, the Knight's Templar. Joseph Colt, his Colt would incorporate a lot of elements

of Rosa Crucius mythology. So let's talk about the AMORC, also known as the Roce-Acrushian Order. If you can understand Roce-Acrushianism, you can understand the order of the solar temple, because it borrows a lot from row secretion mythology. This is a group that's still around today, by the way. You can check out their website, AMORC.org, if you would like some good additional laughs.

Here's how they describe themselves. Through our teachings, you will gain specific knowledge of metaphysics, mysticism, philosophy, psychology, parapsychology, and science not taught by conventional educational systems or traditional religions. Imagine setting a new course for your future, one that promises to be more in line with who you really are and more fulfilling than anything you've previously experienced. Sounds fantastic. I bet my life traditions include lessons and shit like manifesting your destiny astral projection time travel They also seem to sell all kinds of cool robes and fancy cult clothes on their website Seriously, the robes are nice touch man. I mean without a robe are you even fucking culting bro bro?

Do you even cult get some rose bro go culting, bro? Bro! Do you even cult? Get some rose, bro! Go cult or go home. The name of this group comes from the order symbol arose on a cross. Rose accruciant teachings are a combination of cultism. Cultism encompasses various theories and practices involving a belief in the use of supernatural forces or beings and other religious beliefs and practices. It also involves hermeticism.

Hermeticism encompasses alchemy, astrology, theosophy, Jewish mysticism, more belief, basically an ancient magic in secrets. This time based on early secret knowledge, you know, that profits like Moses and Abraham supposedly had involves Christian Nosticism various theologians assign all kinds of definitions to Christian Nostism. It's been around since the beginnings of Christianity and basically it's about more secret mystical knowledge. This time the secrets are coming from Christian New Testament characters. So essentially New Testament characters. So essentially, uh, Erosha Crucions fucking love secrets. So many secrets.

They love secret knowledge, secret knowledge. And they think they have all the secrets. They think they have all that knowledge and they will share it with you. If you pay a lot of money and dues and if you buy enough robes and you learn out all their secret handshakes and memorize the right rituals, secret rituals. They're similar in structure to Scientology. I'm sure that Elrond Hubbard was very familiar with groups like the Rocha Krushin orders

when he came up with Scientology. The central feature of Rocha Krushin is the belief that his members and only his members possess the most important secret wisdom and that wisdom has been handed down, uh, you know, generation after generation after generation and it goes all the way back to the beginnings of humanity all the way back to like very ancient times. You know that they're there. The group has been around forever and the passing and gain of this knowledge involves again rituals, robes, chants, other spooky shit, you know that sends other people who believe

in theological beliefs that are equally unprovable into a fucking panic if you look on the internet. Right? It must be the devil. And according to Rostecrution history, the modern order of their group was founded by a dude named Christian Rosencroytes in Europe at the dawn of the 15th century. However, most historians, including virtually all historians who are not themselves Rostecrution, do not think this dude ever existed. He's as much of an important historical figure, a real historical figure in Santa Claus or Pinocchio.

Christian is a literary character, very likely invented by a man thought to author the book he appeared in, a 17th century German theologian named Johann Valentinus André. Johann wrote a book called the chemical Wedding of Christian Rosencroyds published in 1616 a tale about Christian being invited to go to a wonderful castle full of miracles in order to assist the king and the queen in some sort of magical wedding more magic more secret knowledge is sacred knowledge all wrapped up in a cool castle. Sacred castle. Sounds awesome. 13-year-old me would love for the story to be real.

So I could find out about all the secrets and I could dominate. And then even more is written about this Christian fella. He supposedly visited the Middle East, North Africa, and search of more secret wisdom, found it, brought it back to Germany, organized the Russikruchen Order in 1403. He erected a magical order in 1403. He erected a magical sanctuary in 1409 where he was entombed after his death in 1484. If I can live a long time, and then this tomb was allegedly found 120 years later and became

the occasion for the public announcement of this new order as well of not new of the orders existence. It's been existing in secret. Now it's public. Anyways, in the 17th century, Ross accrucianism becomes very popular in Europe in the same way that Freemasons became popular. And on a small scale, the Illuminati, and various other small secretive groups that would briefly attract members. Ross accrucianism attracted a lot of free thinkers, including possibly Sir

Francis Bacon, that influential English lord and philosopher who helped develop the modern scientific method. Why would someone like him join a group like like the roster crucian order? Well, because he was curious. Same reason a lot of other curious intellectuals join groups like this. A lot of people love a secret clubhouse, secret clubhouse. I want to, right? Part of why is that the space isters. I want to take a space lizard rituals further as well. Why not?

Secret space lizards. A fun to have a group of like-minded people who know the same references you do. It's good for like networking, you know, and make helpful career connections, make new friends, feel superior to general public. A lot of benefits. And like the Freemasons, a similar group

we discussed at length in bonus suck 15 and in suck 69. Rossa Crucianism connected itself to ancient Egypt and its symbolism and its rituals, claims that its secrets go back to Egypt and beyond. And the Rostecrucians also connected themselves very strongly to the Knights Templar. Another group we devoted two episodes to, uh, suck 92 and bonus suck 23. If you'll recall, the Knights Templar, that's that military order of the Catholic Church born out of the Crusades founded in the 12th century, created essentially to defend Jerusalem from Muslim armies so Christians could visit important religious

sites, right, for pilgrims. And then it expanded into a number of fortresses that connected the Middle Eastern holylands to Europe. Then it founded and maintained banks along the route to the Middle East. So some dude from France didn't have to carry a shit ton of treasure and money from Paris to Jerusalem and protected from bandits. And the Knights became very important to Rome, but they brought in a lot of money. They were good fortress defenders.

They only let elite warriors join their order. At least initially they were fierce fighters and various crusade battles. Their order from banking became phenomenally wealthy, became more powerful in Catholic Europe than many nations. They bankrolled empires. And then by the 14th century, the Muslims kicked their fucking asses, beat them right out of the Holy Land, which created a small problem for the group in Europe. If their entire existence was predicated on them protecting the Holy Land for Christians, and now they had been beaten out of the Holy Land, why were they still around?

Well, they were still around for a little while because they had a lot of money. But then a few years later, the Templars denied King Philip IV of France alone that he wanted, that pissed him off. And then with public sentiment, no longer in favor of the group, after they'd lost the Holy Land, he just arrested the groups of members on a bunch of trumped-up charges, tortured them into false confessions about devil worship and all kinds of other weird shit, and then he killed him. Case closed, right? Nope. Because the tempers were powerful, because they had secret rituals, or at least were secretive

about many of their organizational practices, because they were heavily involved in the holy land, the crusades, that they were definitely very wealthy and powerful rumors have been abounding about them ever since, right? So many fucking secrets. And groups like the Rosacrucians and the Freemasons, later adopted certain Templar rituals to make themselves feel more magical, and the Rosacrucians laid claim to actually beeing the Templars, which I think is hilarious. Like the Templars weren't magical enough when they for sure existed to keep the Muslims

from beating their asses, right? They lost. They lost. But now their knowledge gives one the power to do all kinds of shit, including becoming powerful enough to like rule the world, get the fuck out of here. If they weren't powerful enough then, why would they be powerful enough now? So anyway, refocusing all this on Joseph's russacrucians, these guys believe that a lot of secret magic existed in Egypt and the

Holylands. Magic knowledge was super duper powerful, magical items like the Ark of the Covenant, the Shroud of Turin, the Holy Grail, the Knights Templars knew about magic, and years after they were defeated, fanciful authors and medieval conspiracy theorists and imaginative theologians decided that they actually weren't defeated. They just made it seem like that, right? They didn't go away. They just went underground. like that right? They didn't didn't go away They just went underground so surprised motherfuckers. They were hiding the whole time all part of the plan

Let the Muslims seem like they're winning haha jokes on you guys for looking like you're winning running everything Nope, they just decided to wait. They're gonna kick everyone's ass later. It's what god wanted some mysterious ways, okay? They still have all the secret power for knowledge. Still reserved for a few chosen few. They had so much power the whole time and they just they didn't feel like using it. Wasn't part of the plan. They just they went listen, they wanted to run shift from the shadows, right? Haha. So gotcha dummy. Thought they weren't all powerful. Nah, man. They were run shift forever. Okay. So I know that was all a bit lengthy, but it's important to understand that there have been a lot of groups over the centuries

who have believed in this secret ancient knowledge, reserved for the, Joseph didn't just make all this shit up. He built upon a long standing tradition when he formed his cult. A lot of people still believe in this stuff, right? There's still secret orders to think that they can do the right fucking chance

and conjure certain things into existence. Uh, this, you know, and a lot of people also more people believe that these groups are around even when they're not. Right, so that's the whole alumni conspiracy. Powerful people ruling the elite from the shadows. You know, thanks to otherworldly powers given that them by some mysterious source, you know, that source can be Satan. Uh, can be the Knights Templars can be some other demonic character, boffamette, can be just, you know, the Egyptian knowledge, can be Nimrod, Hail Nimrod, can be loose to Athena, praise those of Athena. Maybe Bojangles has all the answers, right? Hail, hail the Bojangles. You get it. And Joseph Demombro is immersed

in this world of rituals, immersed in these ties to ancient groups. He creates the beginnings of his solar temple doctrines during the 1960s while he's a russet accrucian. He meets the first of who will later be his inner circle of disciples this time, travels to Israel around 1979, spent some time in the Holy Land, got to build that backstory, got to get some cult leader legitimacy. He also deals with some legal problems in France 1971 related to Swindling and writing bad checks. That was the phrase I found in very sources. Swindling, he was a Swindler.

Membership and secret, loving ritualized societies and Swindling and writing bad checks. That's what a true car artist does, right? That this dude was clearly on his way to becoming a co-leader. By 1972, Demombra has set himself up in on mass near the Swiss border. He's made further preparations for his own organization where he gets to be in charge. 1973 becomes president of these of the center for the preparation of the new age, which

was presented as a cultural center for relaxation and a yoga school and also sounds culty as fuck. Uh, you're not just working on relaxation and stretching techniques at a place called the center for the preparation of the new age You're preparing for some fantastical shift in consciousness, you know You think you're more woke than the rest of us. You're fucking crazy And that's also something he added. He is such a mix of different things There was all the ninth Templar kind of stuff all the Freemasony kind of ritual stuff And then he also brings in a lot of new age beliefs,

which were super popular. A lot of like, take care of the invite. A lot of things that were good, take care of the environment, meditate, focus on your inner peace. You just, you know, anything that's popular, anything that has rituals, he just starts kind of bringing in and combining into his belief system.

The center becomes a full-time job for Joseph by 1976. That same year, eight people, seven of whom already resided at a common address, form a communal society, purchased a house named The Pyramid with Joseph just outside of Geneva, Switzerland. Right? Communal living now, one step closer to true cult life. If I buy a bunch of land and start asking you guys to live with me, you know that we've gotten a lot closer to having a real, not fucking around cults.

And it's only matter of time after that before I tell you that, you need to have sex with me as part of God's plan or that maybe I'm God or maybe the world's ending soon. And I know how to take you with me to the next phase of existence, which if I interpret Nimrodch will correctly involves a lot of fucking, right? We can't get to the next phase if I don't stick my wing and a lot of your holes.

It always comes back to sex, specifically to do it, almost always, specifically to dudes wanting to put their dicks in lots of different holes. Those are the rules, those are the cult rules, Joseph will get there soon. Now I'm back. Of the eight pyramid people, four would later lose their lives on October, 1994.

You know, when the order would move to the next spiritual phase of their existence, Demombrough also created the temple of the great white universal lodge construction finishing on June 24th, 1976, get the pyramid sub lodge. He's got all these different names and fucking buildings and weird shit. How did he fund these projects?

Donations from members. He's, Swindland, he did some Swindland. The little bit of Swindland. He basically does have a cult now. He maybe hasn't started telling people that he's God incarnate yet or the God speaks directly to him or hasn't quite started banging other members, but for sure has a code. On July 12, 1978, for sure has a code. On July 12, 1978, Demombrough creates the Golden Way Foundation in Geneva. This foundation will remain at the very heart of his activities for years. Thanks to the substantial financial sacrifices made by several members, this foundation buys an attractive property in a suburb of Geneva. This is a site of meetings open to non-members, got to impress non-members, give sneak-a-man, get them to want to be part of the commune and the cult.

This property is supposedly the site of an ancient Templar command post. Of course it is, you got to build that mythology. The Golden Way Foundation, mostly a front for a nucleus of people simply called the fraternity who now are taking part in esoteric rights in a communal setting, right? He's deepening his methodologies, coming up with new organizations, getting people to follow him farther down his weird rabbit hole, exploring more and more esoteric beliefs, learning more secret knowledge, getting cooler robes, probably as a sceptre by now, definitely

wearing an amulet. People belonging to the fraternity, they hold their assets in common. It's true communal living now. These are the inner circle. Other people could live on the golden way and be part of what was called the community. These are people who wanted to live on the compound, but not necessarily. They weren't quite ready to give them everything. They still held their assets.

So they could rent to live there. They could pay rent to live on the compound. They got to keep their income. They would buy tickets for food and beverages, like dipping their toes in the water. And if this all sounds insane, remember that this is the 70s. And the context of the 70s, the Golden Way, was one attempt amongst many at developing a compound, like a communal life compound. Not a coincidence that Jim Jones developed his people temple in Jones Town, that decade.

Also in the 70s, Joseph joined a group called the Renewed Order of the Temple. Right, he has his own compound, his own commune. Also a member of another Rostecrucian Order has got to learn more rituals, got to learn more secrets, ritual secrets. The Renewed Order of the Temple was one of roughly 30 different groups and

just France and Switzerland alone operating at that time that all claimed to be the true spiritual descendants of the night's templer. Man, people are fucking obsessed with the night's temp. A lot of different weird esoteric new age shit is going on in France and Switzerland in the 70s. Uh, it was in this group that he would meet future order of the temple co-leader essentially, Luke Jure. And we'll learn more about Demombro in today's timeline.

Let's learn more about Dr. Luke Jure right now. This is the other main guy. Luke Jure born in the Belgian Congo in Africa on October 18th, 1947. Born in the city of Kikuit, capital of the Kulu province, city of about 40000 today, fear of violence against Belgian citizens, the time of decolonization persuaded his parents to settle back in their home country of Belgium early in Luke's childhood, where he, also by virtue of

nothing being written to the contrary, seemed to have a normal childhood. Later interviews with family and former friends that he was well-, even popular, good looking, athletic, intelligent, solid student. He later studied to become a medical doctor, earned his medical doctorate from the University of Brussels in 1974 at the age of 27. Also gained a little attention from Belgian authorities while in school for becoming a member of a small Communist group known as the Walloon communist youth earned himself a little government file folder somebody to keep an eye on. They weren't too worried about him now. They let him join the military. After medical school,

he enlisted as a paratrooper, took part in the Colwesi raid of 1978 where Belgian troops brought back a group of fellow citizens who were being threatened in Zaire. According to a former colleague, Luke and Liston, the army primarily to quote infiltrate the army with communist ideas. He reportedly told another friend that he hoped communism would clean out the army. After a few years of service, Luke practiced a traditional medicine for three years, working as a surgeon, general practitioner, and obstetrician. Then dissatisfied by traditional medicine, he began to study homeopathic medicine and became a registered homeopathic practitioner in France.

Homeopathy, this is an alternative medical system based on the belief that the body can cure itself. Those who practice it use tiny amounts of natural substances like plants and minerals. They believe that these can stimulate the healing process. Excuse me, it's developed in Germany in the late 18th century. It's always been more popular in Europe than in the States. Basic belief behind homeopathy is like, cures, like. In other words, something that brings on symptoms and a healthy person can, in a very small dose,

treat an illness with similar symptoms, meant to trigger the body's natural defenses. So, for example, red onions make your eyes water. That's why red onions are used in homeopathic remedies for allergies, because allergies can also make your eyes water. Along the kind of same line of thinking, if you're having digestive problems, a homeopathic doctor will often tell you to eat your own shit. Or in some cases, a dedicated homeopathic doctor will just give you their shit. The best, most renowned homeopathic doctors

will just do you the favor of shitting directly into your mouth for most, if not all ailments. And of course, that's not true. But the red onion your analogy example is a shit. I read there are some people though who can be tricky to that, right? Just enough fucking cycle babble and like listen, you're having a lot of stomach problems, right? Your stomach subset, right? You're pooping. You're not the way you would like to. My poop, as you will see, is very solid and healthy and firm. So based on our other, you know, kind of cures, I think the best course

is for you to lay down here. And about 30 minutes out, we'll be ready to drop one off right in your mouth and choke it down, get it down, and then tell me how you feel tomorrow. Luke's interest in alternative medicine grew and he traveled all over the world, synthesizing various medical practices and do his own hybrid approach, combining Western, various herbal and new age type treatments in order to treat men in its totality. By 1976, he's practicing alternative medicine in the Belgian mining region of Boranage. One of his favorite phrases around this time would become, you are not sick because you

have a disease. You have a disease because you are sick. Ta-da! It sounds like something you read in this secret you don't have cancer you are cancer Just stop being cancer and you'll be fine You just have to manifest better health that's all Some people are poor and sick because that's what they want to be I've ever mentioned that this secret is the only book I literally threw in a fucking trash can after reading just one chapter

In skimmy a few others a friend recommended it to me I made quite a bit of fun of him for how strongly he believes in it. We're no longer friends He thought he could manifest himself and having his own sitcom like truly believe this This is almost 10 years ago still doesn't have a sitcom So I guess he hasn't focused hard enough. Guess he's not a manifested enough positivity in his life. And before I get angry emails, yes, I know there is power and value in visualizing your future and positive manifest. I know there's some value in that.

You can take that shit too far. Anyway, 1977, Luke's pursuit of new treatments leads him to the Philippines, where he would later claim to live for about a year studying with basically some fucking witch doctors. His own brother Bernard would later say, my brother never stopped talking about the Filipino healers, how they did remarkable things with only their hands. I was dismayed. How someone so intelligent could be taken in by these stories. Just like Joseph de Mambra, Luke is a super curious guy, not afraid to explore new ideas who is developing his own unorthodox belief system, you know, based mainly around homeopathic medicine in the 1970s. And then he would take a deepening interest in the spiritual side of life that would lead him directly to Joseph Demombro in the order of the solar temple. He would later say there were some transcendent experiences in my life.

He would later say, there were some transcendent experiences in my life. Some experiences that made me directly experience a superior aspect of man, to which I had been previously blind. And all great civilizations we noticed the doctors were always priests and vice versa. Did he read about the Aztecs? Because I don't know that they were great people to have for doctors. When the priests were cutting people up on the temples and fucking rolling them down the stairs. And he said, I am convinced that a doctor who is not concerned with reintegrating himself into a dimension in which the spiritual is more important than the physical cannot understand

his patient and such. And this is rather the tragedy of medicine today, not to denigrate its authentic value concerning what it has allowed us as far as transformation of man, but it nevertheless still leads to a dead end because it refuses to integrate the spiritual man into the physical man. Even though the spiritual has conditioned the physical. So Luke, Luke realized he didn't want to just treat your physical body anymore, right? He wanted to treat your soul. He wanted to write you soul prescriptions. He wanted to be a soul doctor, sacred soul doctor. He wanted to fulfill the roles of both doctor and priests. Pretty ego maniacal, really, right? You've decided to become a doctor,

a job where you literally save lives. That takes a healthy ego, not a career for somebody with confidence issues. Now on top of that, you want to be in charge of their souls as well. Who thinks they can heal your body and your soul, a future cult leader? By 1971, Luke could set up his own homeopathic practice in Leglise, a small town in eastern Belgium. He also got married. He married a French woman named Christine in 1980. They had one child together who died as an infant.

The couple would divorce soon after that. The death of this child pushes Luke further down the road of looking for magical answers. Sorry about that, you guys. I thought I had my phone on, that was crazy. Thought I had it on, do not disturb. I can do not disturb me. Do not disturb me. All right?

It is on do not disturb. Why am I still getting a ring? You know why? Because I was making fun of magic. You know who that probably was? That was probably Dr. Luke calling from the afterlife. Uh, let's stop revealing our secrets. Anyway, um, so yeah, he marries Christine.

They have a child together, dies as an infant. Uh, the couple would divorce soon after that. Uh, yeah, the death of him, you know, pushes him further into magic. And now I'm trying to turn my phone off goddamn it Stop as thinking I'm asking you weird secret question Siri. Okay Also in the 1970s. I apologize Luke meets Joseph through his own involvement in the same rostracrution order I mentioned earlier the renewed order of the temple aka O RT

An acronym that works in French by the way sometimes these Sometimes these acronyms are like, wait a minute. Order, renewed order of the, that's R-O-T. Why is it O-R-T? It's because of the French. By 1976, Luke and Joseph have both risen to the rank of grand masters. Ah, they get to wear the coolest robes. I forgot some fucking wizard hats.

So many pendants, cool decoder rings. You know, the two meet each other through organizing some ORRT workshops for the public to entice new members to join. Okay, I've shown a lot of info at you. I wish I had more personal info on Luke and Joseph's earlier lives, but according to numerous sources, that info just doesn't seem to exist.

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A man who's belonged to various rosser-crucion orders for 25 years. He's been studying various new age belief systems. He's opened up a little compound commune system, right? He's in the Knights, Templar, Rites, and Rituals, other occult beliefs, actively forming his own, you know, organizations for at least five years. And then you also have 33 year old Dr. Luke Jare,

a man with an interest in some form of communal living since he was in college, the whole communist youth organization stuff. A guy with strong new age interests, both where it comes to medicine, where it comes to spirituality. A guy who has also been involved in rostecrutionism for about five years. And then in 1981, something happens that leads to these two taking the leap from becoming rostecrution members to becoming rostecrution leaders and forming their own night's templer based organization, which will become a full-fledged Doomsday cult pretty quickly.

So let's explore all of that in today's time-suck timeline. Shrap on those boot soldiers, we're marching down a time-suck timeline. Let's pick up today's timeline in 1981. Jacques Oryagus, founder and leader of the renewed order of Templars that Luke and Joseph both belonged to, well, he died. And Luke and Joseph take that as a sign that maybe he didn't know what he's talking about. Maybe he didn't have enough magic after all.

And he was just talking about a crazy mumble jumbo, and they go back to leading regular lives. Joseph starts to sell watches and jewelry again and Luke keeps being a quasi-legitimate hippy doctor. And that will take us out of today's time suck timeline. Good job, soldier. You've made it back. Ah, kidding, now it's fucking suck, wouldn't it?

My God, I'd be outraged. If I was listening to like, you know, 45 plus minutes of build up for a cult story and then that was the end. No. Nice, anyone? Jacques dies. Luke thinks that he should take over his leader. He does briefly, but too many other members disagree.

Important members like Oriega's wife and daughter. Some say Luke gets kicked out of the group. We're trying to take it in a direction other members didn't want it to go They already believed in some weird shit, but he wanted to make it weirder and they weren't down with that so we got the boot I guess he must have forgotten the manifest enough positive intentions towards getting what he wanted, you know I feel like you know getting kicked out of This group kind of went against his belief system Kicked out or not. He definitely leaves the group meanwhile Meanwhile, also in 1981, things are heating up with Joseph's

weird pyramid, great white universal lodge, golden, wag compound place, fucking thing. He and the members of the fraternity are having more secret meetings now. He's teaching more secret rituals. And while no source says how he did this, I actually don't think the method has ever been revealed for reasons I'll explain later.

He starts putting on this crazy magic show that members do not know is a magic show. A show that would be key to future recruitment. This is my favorite part of this story. Check this out. He starts holding these meetings with the most dedicated followers of his small cult. And for the true cult members, the ones living on the compound that have given them all of his stuff, he holds the most special, special meetings. In this little special layer he's had created inside his pyramid subludge, somehow, maybe through the use of,

I don't know, a projector and aided by mirrors, he's able to get these holograms of robed people known as the ancient masters to appear. Picture like Star Wars, right, when Princess Leigh comes out of R2D2. These ancient masters were supposedly the spirits of long dead Templars, long dead holders of secret knowledge. They're appearing as holograms.

You know, members of his group are seeing them, are hearing them. In addition to the holograms, other types of special effects are used to create this almost like a weird immersive laser light show in this layer of his. There's a lot of mirrors and stuff. There aren't a lot of details given to exactly what the show looked like, but it was good enough to truly trick people into thinking they were witnessing spirits manifest themselves, talking to them.

The reality show may have also been aided, probably was aided by drugs, taking unknowingly by members that put them in a mental state, more receptive to the reality of these images. Uh, former members convinced him, Amber was constantly drugging his followers, uh, with uh, drugs he would put in these elixirs that you would drink these rituals. Fucking genius. Like, what a great way to get cold members. Risky if you're, if your special effects miss, uh, mess up, right?

That'd be tough of the hologram glitches. Listen to Joseph. He is the world's greatest teacher. He is the world's greatest teacher. He is the world's greatest teacher. Help me, Obi-Wan Kenobi. You're my only hope. Help me, Obi-Wan Kenobi. You're my only hope. Help me, Obi-Wan Kenobi.

You're my only hope. It's like Joseph was some shady ass David Copperfield or David Blaine want to be. God, I wish there was footage of one of these elaborate tricks used to make members think that mystical ancient beings are really giving their leader messages and reaffirming how important he is to their program. Behold modern bearers of the Templar flame.

It is I, Merlin, ancient wizard and Templar before the word was known, guardian of the secrets of ancient Egypt. And I am here to reveal those secrets to the cherished few. So listen and behold, it is not how much you make, it is how much you save. This is secret financial knowledge transferred down from one template to the next since the beginning of time. Also, never underestimate the power of compound interest, let your money work for you. Also, there are other even more powerful, wealth-growing secrets that only a living master who

should be followed at all costs can comprehend and implement, and that living master is Joseph Demombro. The most handsome, strong, intelligent, well-endowed, sexually skilled, unparalleled, understander of the past, present, and future, reincarnated Prophet of old, a new Jesus, only he, new Jesus, your spiritual leader knows how to take care of his inner circle and only a fool who will surely painfully die when the world is crushed, would not sign over their life savings to him. That's a fucking sweet ass hologram.

Demobro had a good thing going. Thanks for his trickery made him enough money to keep his scheme going and that new Jesus thing wasn't just totally absurdly. Well, that'll come up in a bit. But still his numbers that remain small, right? No more than a couple dozen devoted members. He wants to expand his spiritual business. He's got to get beer audiences for his magic show, but he's just not that charismatic outside of the compound. He's a fucking boring speaker, not a, not a charmer. Smart, but not a charmer. You know, what he needed was a brand ambassador, a spokesperson who could lure new members in, right? Get their feet wet in the world. Then he fucking sneaks in the magic show, seals the cold deal and boom, making lots of money.

And that's someone who'll be Dr. Luke Jare. After a couple meetings between the two men, a new partnership is born. They start working together sometime in late 1981, early 1982. By 1983, Luke is helping recruit new members by hitting the new, uh, new age spearcer. My notes, I wrote, new wave. Like suddenly he's like a fucking talking head or flak a seagull or some shit. Given lectures on how you can cure your body

and your soul and Switzerland, France and Canada, and it worked. He and Joseph began recruiting additional members, getting more money, opening up new cultural clubs in both Europe and North America now. The lectures Dr. Luke present, they're giving under the name of a new company. They love coming up with new fucking titles called Amenta.

Anyone ready to join the communal lifestyle and learn secret lessons of the occult could pay to live in one of the new clubs. These were called Arcadia Clubs. And then if you really wanted to go places, you could apply and then pay to join the international order of shivalry solar tradition. Right? The very beginning of the solar temple, before they got their name a little bit paired down.

Three levels, the Ement lecture, the Arcadia club, the inner solar circle, only a limited number of people from each club could join the final club within a club. Gotta create exclusivity, gotta build that FOMO. This just sounds fucking crazy, and for sure it was, but it was also brilliant and it worked. Right? Luke and Joseph seemingly convoluted plan was actually pretty straightforward.

You got step one. Get people to show up for Luke's Christyly homeopathic new age lecture. This is back when these type of lectures are super popular in places like Geneva and Montreal. Hundreds of people are showing up to here. Dr. Luke Sharade, give a lecture on clean living. Don't eat red meat. Make sure your vegetables are organic. Don't litter. Take care of mother earth. Got to recycle because the planets are living organism or organism. Yeah, it's good stuff. Good hippie stuff. And then he would slide in some messages about the importance of the spirit body

connection to health and how if you really wanted to be free from disease, lead a long and happy life in this world and the next, you were full to go to some doctor who lead a long and happy life in this world and the next, you were fooled to go to some doctor who didn't understand the spiritual nature of disease. Right? Luke strongly alludes it, that he fucking gets it. He understands the body, mind, spirit, connection, and he has little extra knowledge for those who want to stick around after the lecture.

I shall also add here that while Joseph was a really average looking weak jawline, frumpy dad bod, Luke hardthrob like soap opera material, chisel jawline, more chisel daps, bulging biceps, rock hard pecs. People interviewed about him described him as fit athletic handsome, powerfully built. Plus he's a gifted speaker, right? He's got an interesting background. He's born in Africa, family fled to Belgium under political turmoil, joined the military and fought in it.

Actual doctor financially successful, traveled the world in search of medical and spiritual knowledge. Got a sad backstory where he's his baby died. You know, that's going to win the hearts of a lot of people. Claim to have found all this spiritual knowledge in the Philippines. He's the perfect spokesperson. Had Luke not have been handsom successful, etc. I don't think anyone would have been buying his extra income living or compound bullshit,

right? Hard to sell success secrets about how to look, feel and be your best if you're like super obese. You know, if you roll up to the lecture and a scooter has a lawnmower engine that's constantly sputtering and backfiring, hard to sell this idea life if you're smiling with a half full amount of dirty chicklet teeth. Especially when your speech clear doesn't reveal like a top level of education, you know. It's different if his lecture's like, hey listen now, hey, hey now. Hey, you want to be rich in shit for the finance luxuries. You got to have your spirit tinned up and whatnot. So forth.

Listen, hey now. You pickles, pigs, feet, plenty of fun. Hold on, brass monkeys, ton for TBM. Don't get the cheap allergy meds when you're cranking up to some of that no sugar. Hey now, listen here. That guy is not getting a lot of people to stay after the lecture. Okay, step two, all right?

Step one lecture, step two. Get some of the people to sign up for limited membership who have stayed afterwards to talk to Dr. Luke, right? You get a couple hundred people to listen. You know, you speak no in the small percentage of those people are going to want to know more. Some of those people, you know, you lure them into signing up a little for a trial membership and one of the Arcadia clubs. Try it out.

See how you like communal luxury. See how you like learning new, awesome secrets with people who wear robes and do fucking chants and stuff. If you like it enough, you can pay to live there, pay some rent, buy some meal tickets, and be in this weird new age clubbed kind of situation. Right, give it a go for a few months. Then there's step three,

from the people who try out the compound, a small percentage are gonna give it to everything. They're gonna give all their earthly money to the cause and join the inner circle, aka the real cult, right? They're gonna be part of this solar tradition. They're gonna learn the real secrets, see the holograms. Come for the laser light show, stay for the apocalypse. Yeah, yeah.

In 1984, after some decent growth in Switzerland and Canada, the group decides to move their headquarters from France to Canada. Why? This is so good. Because the men who revived the Templar resurgence in France in the early 50s, this Jacques Brayer, a member of that first rostecrution group that he'd been Joseph Blanc, the founder of that first group, the AMORC, a man who's been acting as Joseph's advisor for roughly

three decades now, tells them they need to go to Canada. This is the best. Breyer believed that Earth was becoming more and more corrupted, right? A time of great upheaval and trouble for the people of Earth was right around the corner. However, there would be less upheaval and trouble around the city of Toronto. This is seriously what he told him. Shit you not. These guys were true con artists, but also believed they're insane mythology.

How weird is it also for a cult leader to have a cult advisor? Cause this, this, this Jacques guy is like a weird character. He's never like a real part of the cult, but he does advise them and is around them all the time. Like if they were the teenage mutant interchartles, he's like their splinter, right? He's not a fucking, he's not a teenage mutant intertl, but he is the one who teaches them. I just makes me think like, what if Jim Jones would have had Charles Manson for a mentor,

you know, been calling him? At Charles, it's Jim. Things are not going well in Guyana. Russia has not responded to my calls for asylum. I think some defectors are telling people that I may have satanized some members and whatnot. The government's coming down, Charles. I don't know what to do.

Yeah, get there poising, Jimmy, healthy scalcer, blood on the walls, man. You gotta stop doing what the man's program need to do. You gotta bring it all down, Jimmy. Blust me out, find that cave got I got to cut the white man Helter skills or pigs and ponytails you think I you think I can't get an army to fuck all sideways man You got to know what you know, and then you got to go Jimmy Thanks Charles. I knew you could help. I'm going to poison the punch now you you take care

Based on some template mystic now you you take care. Based on some Templar mystic saying that the world was now entering a new age of chaos and upheaval, but that part of Canada would largely be spared. Joseph and Luke moved their headquarters to Toronto. Based on Jacques Braires' advice in 1984, the Golden Wave Foundation finances Joseph and his wife, Jocelyn de Montbrod's immigration in Canada. Breyer felt that a strong presence in Canada was important if they were to reach the English speaking world, mainly the United States. He thought they could really spread their membership there. He also had received word from the ancient masters that North America had become the source

of most of the new impulses. This is their lingo. These impulses determine the way life evolves on the planet. So there's that. He felt that the modern night Templar should play his part in the age of Aquarius by adding to his counterparts in New World, and so they can bring the planet into a new and higher level of consciousness. He argued that Europe was old and worn out. Right? You get it. It's old, it's even though it's the same age. But for humans, it's older, it's worn out, right? You get it. It's old, it's even though it's the same age, but for humans, it's older, it's worn out, it's lands are filled with, millions of bodies,

and they're, listen, there's just too many vibrations from the old wars and the violence in the European dirt. And he just, he knew that Quebec and Canada was blessed with a broad granite plate underneath and some kind of strong magnetic field and less vibrations. And this would just protect the whole area from a lot of earthquakes and volcanic eruptions that we're going to bring in the apocalypse. It makes a lot of sense. A lot of sound logic being employed here. Dr. Luke also becomes a firm believer in this big Canadian migration

around the same time. It is Switzerland homeopathic practice, a couple by the name of Rose Marie and Bruno Klaus Metjure. Bruno decided to consult Dr. Luke on the advice of a friend. Bruno had a bad earache and Jury claimed to have discovered why. He claimed that Bruno had cancer. This is how he would get some people to join the group. No blood work was done, no biopsy, no other tests, no other doctors doing tests, just he knew he could tell, he

could look at it. And there was no reason for Bruno to be tested by anyone else because he just cured him. He just figured it out, he looked at it, and he did some mama jumbo, and hey, your cancer is gone. The cancer that you didn't know you have, the cancer that you don't have is now gone. Just told know, the weird ear cancer is no longer around. And after that, Dr. Luke would tell Bruno, you should be dead, you owe me your life. And Bruno believed him. And he becomes a devoted follower.

And then sometime later, a temple astrologer, former hairdresser named Marie Louise, tells Bruno that she sees major changes in his chart, his astrology chart, his planetary alignment now reveals that he's supposed to go to Quebec and help start a 350 acre farm that's called an arc of survival over there. She told him and his wife we are leaving the age of Pisces and going towards Aquarius. She said that Europe was going to be burnt up and they needed to escape to Canada and they needed a hundred people enough to repopulate the world after is torn down and then so they all had out there they started new center

and they also start this fucking farm where they grow crops to prepare for the apocalypse and this is it seems like a bunch of nonsensical cult babble to you will fucking wake up because it makes a lot of sense. No, it doesn't. It doesn't make a lot sense. They have a self-sustaining circle of just utter madness happening. So it's so complicated and they just keep adding more and more of whatever is popular amongst these weirdo fucking Christyly people.

I picture these guys coming up with all this shit and some kind of weird war room. Like down in their weird mirror pyramid layer, it's just like a room full of artifacts, a lot of religious artifacts in particular, old template books, supposedly from Jerusalem, little statues and trinklets of nights and things, religious pains on the walls, a lot of weird jewelry, bunch of new age stuff, emulets and crystals, vials of blessed dirt and sand

from new age power sites, there's swords and chain mail and tons of ancient books, scrolls from Egypt to astrology charts, tarot cards, maybe a witch's cauldron, probably a wizard staff, definitely an Ouija board. And there's just some dude like Jacques Brayer, who shows up sometimes and puts on, to consult them, puts on his special robe and jewelry. And he's reading from a medieval almond act,

while also consulting some of nostradamus' prophecies. He's a couple other nuts like Joseph Demombro and Dr. Luke and Mary Louise, the astrologer, also wearing robes and templer symbols and their chanting in the background. Just, ooh, ooh, la, la, ooh, ooh, la, la, ancient master, third eye open, sand and spider is blood and water. Oh, just weird shit. Jocos into like a trance state.

You know, with his eyes closed, he starts writing on some parchment that's made out of human skin, dipping his quill in blood. Toronto, it must be Toronto. The moon will be in its sixth cycle. The age of Aquarius will coincide with the return of Neptune. The blood of Christ will rise as will be demonstrated by the high tide of the Dead Sea. There will be a great number of synchronized menstrual cycles. All has been foretold by Nostradamus.

When he prophesied, see the strange clown play the French horn at midnight. A three-legged dog with one eye will fight for freedom. A golden voice will sing Yamo be there Oh, oh, oh, oh, Yamo be there and then the god try and said you just got McDonald mother fucker and that is why we had to Catted like it's so crazy. It's so fucking crazy. And they do go to Canada membership grows, at least a little. The group's headquarters in Toronto is this old orphanage where Jerez Club of Menta establishes this kind of new age retreat for people who are into this shit.

Flyers from the late 80s announced programs at this place on various disciplines such as the Science of Life. They also advertise chamber music concerts and quote, spectacles. What the fuck? Hey, do you like concerts? Do you like spectacles? Are you interested in the science of life?

Well, come on down to the solar temple. It's a, ah! In addition to hundreds of members actually now living in the headquarters compound, many others stopped by weekly or even daily to have meals with the group or hear some Josephs or Dr. Luke's teachings. Once a month, people from all over Quebec would meet at this compound during full moons where they could do their chance and rituals.

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2k? They even took in some why 2k beliefs. They just grab everything. The whole late 20th century panic, the world's going to end by the year 2000. The first volume is a bunch of doctrinal stuff. The second establishes guidelines as to what provisions to store in order to survive a disaster that would destroy all essential technologies. And what to do to survive our atomic back to your back, theoretical or chemical warfare in addition, it provides a detailed first aid manual. I'm sure there's a lot of just, if I can come to the farm,

come to our organic cult farm. Clearly by the mid 80s, they're starting to become a doomsday cult now. They are preparing, if not for the end of the world, for the end of most of the world. They thought that the majority of the world's population would soon be wiped out. All existing technology and industry will be destroyed Things will be simpler again for those who have survived. You gotta know how to grow your own food. Gotta make your own pants

other survivalist stuff Outside of doomsday survivalist notions here are some other themes or areas of focus taken from Dr One of Dr. Luke's lectures All right, they're into Reestablishing the correct notions of authority and power in the world, affirming the primacy of the spiritual over the temporal. Giving back to man the conscious of his dignity, helping humanity through its transition, participating in the assumption of the earth and its three frameworks, body, soul and spirit, contributing to the union of the churches and working towards the meeting of Christianity in Islam,

preparing for the return of Christ in solar glory. Solar Christ. And to teach lessons along these theological themes, Joseph would read biblical passages that he decoded secrets from, or from other religious texts, or read from the writings of other mystics, new age and theosophical teachers like Alice Bailey and Madame Bovatsky. You know, this guy thought he could decipher his hidden knowledge from all over the place. He could take it from various major religions, various new age schools of thought, astrology, all sorts of shit.

They told members about how it's important to understand your true nature that it doesn't concern your physical body. Here's a quote from a former believer. According to the solar temple, 26,000 years ago, the blue star related to Sirius' energy left on the Earth's sons of the one. It appears in the sky every time it is needed

and responds to magnetization when humanity lives its crisis of transmutation. What the fuck? So every once in a while, the Earth goes through a major cleansing, a major change in the sons of the one appear to guide a special few through the change in Joseph and Luke or those ones I Think that's what that message meant and if you don't think this should make sense, you're right

You're right. None of it really makes sense and the way we understand sense to work You know David Ike doesn't make any sense David Ike babbles on and on and on and on about various outlandish conspiracies. He writes book after book after book, huge books. They don't make any sense where illogical conclusions are drawn, you know, very confidently. Fiction is presented as obvious fact and the dude sells out theaters. If you present a message with enough conviction, it doesn't need to make sense. Right, if somebody wants what you're selling bad enough, they're just gonna buy it. That's why there's always gonna be cults.

I think that all that really matters in terms of understanding how all of this came about is understanding that Joseph believed that he was super important. He believed that the world as we know it was ending and that he'd save a few people, lead them to a new world. They'd emerge from the wreckage of the old one

and he borrowed ideas from other new age or esoteric occult teachings added his own similar messages sold all of that to people who wanted to live in a world full of secrets. So many secrets. Only a few important advanced people are able to understand these secrets, right? That's part of the the lure of the complicativeness. Is it he just makes you feel like, well, if you if you're the right chosen person, you'll just get it.

You'll understand it. Right? He's been studying this shit for decades and memorized a lot of ancient stuff. He was an expert in making things sound cool and interesting. He knew a lot about this shit. And some people just wanted him so badly to be right. They just wanted to be one of those advanced, important souls so they convinced themselves just to buy whatever he's selling. Right?

His messages fit the fantasy that, you know, for whatever personal reason each of them had, he just wanted to believe in, right? Just listen to him, he's like, yeah, yeah, yeah, solar Christ, ancient tempers, hidden out. Yeah, I get it. Do I get to live forever when a lot of other people die? Yes, okay, cool.

Do I get to be on the starting team when the world starts over? Cause I don't want to be riding the bench in life anymore. I do, I'm one of the most important chosen ones. Well, fuck yeah, I'm in then. I'm important and I get too live forever. I don't care about anything else. Continue with your whiz or jeez this night crystal talk. Okay, so by 1990, the rules of the order described in organization

under the absolute authority of a secret inner group called the center key of the temple. They fuckers. They love to keep people confused. Just keep creating more and more levels, more new names, more secrets. You can never have too many secrets. There were three major degrees now. Brothers of the court, chevaliers of the Alliance, and brothers of the former times. My god, they took this stuff seriously. Each of these new, totally fresh, super cool levels has three different internal ranks. Internal documents that were not destroyed when the group went away reveal part of one of the rituals for the chevilliers of the alliance.

They said men and women wearing white mantles with the red cross over the breasts, that's the Templar symbol, file slowly two by two into a round room. Each couple bows before a candle standing on a mirrored triangular pedestal in the center of a chamber, and then the pair split to form two lines along the wall. Suddenly, from beneath their robes, the chevaliers pull forth long a pays, which are these long, thin swords, ceremonial versions of the swords used for fencing. Raising these swords in unison, all these ass clowns, they bring the cruciform hills to their faces, then stretch their arms outward, pointing

the blades toward the light. They're like, they remind me of like this weird fucking fake fighting drama club that was around when I was in college, where these kids like everywhere else would be partying and then you walk back from the party to your dorm room and there would be, or these kids like everybody else be partying and then you walk back from the party to your dorm room and there would be There would be these kids pretending to be knights with these cushion swords Doing this kind of weird sword play. It's like that taken so much farther Part of another ritual was captured in video a solar temple initiation ceremony It's described as the soundtrack switches from low and grin to Gregorian chant to white

mental templars lead a man in a business suit. The escorts take a new robe and surplus from an altar and carefully place them around this initiate shoulders. He then kneels before a Templar priest, his hands on the altar next to a red rose and a Bible held open by a sword. The priest picks up the sword and dubs the initiate on his right shoulder, his left shoulder and the top of his head. After the ceremony ends, the members file out of the sanctuary 2 by 2 into a long corridor.

At the end of the corridor, one can see a mirrored door slide open. The video closes with a close-up of Luke's Jure given a priestly benediction followed by a shot of a fire place crackling warmly. Man mirrors and swords and robes. Oh my. These guys knew how to template. They fucking bro, do you even template? Initiates to the order joined an eternal chain of reincarnations. This is fun. Demobro made believers feel extra special by telling them that they were reincarnated forms of various, very important historical figures.

Former member, Thierry Clarevo, later said, Joseph made me believe that I was the great reincarnation of Bernard, De Clarevo, a famous 12th century French monk who turned the Sisterian order from a handful of priests and do an important European religious movement. So a guy he would have been familiar with, whether or not one believes in reincarnation, you have to admit that man lives with emotions. And you know that one can have an experience as a child and remember it at 80. And you can imagine if you do believe in reincarnation that there is a memory, a cellular memory, which across time and space comes back home to live in.

Okay. So, you know, he's, he's learned people in who already have fringy beliefs and he's just taking a lot further. Joseph told a theory of other important figures that now existed within their ranks. Joseph Demombro told the other people that he himself had been an important 14th century Egyptian Pharaoh. He'd been Moses. He'd been an 18th century Italian occultist, Cagliostro. He was the third incarnation of Jesus Christ, and he was also Osiris, the ancient Egyptian god of the underworld. Nice! He was even some gods

in his past lives. He was Jesus and the Egyptian God of the dead. So sweet, so fun. Joseph would tell others, you understand in all my incarnations, I always had to fight because my spiritual development was always so far in advance of the time when I was living. God, he's so advanced, how tough for him.

He's been an advanced spirit for millennia. That's why I know so much. That's why he's the co-leader. That's why I know so much. That's why he's the cold leader That's why he gets the coolest rope, right? That's that's why they still don't have a lot of members because he's he's just too advanced And it's so frustrating I wonder if the more just of like to you the more like money you were given to his cult I wonder if like that's how you got to have cooler past lives. I bet like if like if you're Michael Some millionaire that hangs on his every word, you used to

be Napoleon, you used to be Caesar, you used to be Mars, the God, the Roman God of War. But if you're like Greg and you're some dude who barely could pay for his robe and you got, you know, and you got a cheap ass ambulance and your ceremonial sword a little rusty, you know, you kind of, you know, backtalk a little bit. Well, you know, you kind of, you know, back talk a little bit. Well, you know what? You come from a long line of shopkeepers, uh, grave diggers, peasants, and most of your past lives died from the, from the plague.

Lo, the Greg! Aim the Greg! FIRE the Greg! Uh, hey, did I mention that to kick off these layer rituals, Joseph is fucking, uh, female members? Ha, ha, ha, ha! I forget to mention that! Uh, using the authority, the ancient hologram masters have given him.

Jaree would choose female members of the cult. Demombro would choose female members of the cult to engage sexually with before ceremonies. Dr. or excuse me, Demombro would claim that the sex magic their union gave him. Sorry, you know what, and I wrote their names on this one. It wasn't Jure. I got a quick retraction. It was Demombra was doing this. Demombra would choose feeling as the cult to engage with sex before ceremonies.

He would claim that the sex magic their union gave him was what gave him the spiritual strength to perform powerful holy duties. Makes sense. Gods of yesterday have given him the power to perform magic rituals almost. They left him a little short of the needed power. Luckily, the right amount of pussy gets the job done. How convenient. I'm sure his wife is thrilled. The clothes is in full bloom, right?

At least one of the leaders is fucking people because in other world, the presence wants them to. Now we're having fun. Now we're doing a right. Dr. Luke is probably doing it to he's probably banging the female members uh... in jenuary nineteen nine at the height of its recruitment the order of the solar temple still does not have even five hundred members they never were huge

they pick at four hundred and forty two die hard inner circle members only sixteen of those from the united states and only eighty six of those were from canada so they're north american expansion plans are not exactly working out like they wanted to, which I get because the times are changing, you know? It's almost 90s. It's not 70s anymore. It's getting harder to convince people that you're the reincarnation of Osiris and Jesus

and the rightful leader of the nice Templar and the world is gonna end soon. And if you're a female member, he's gonna have to fuck you and you can't, you can guarantee someone's survival survival only to give you enough money. And they learn the right chance and complete, and complete the right rituals and listen to a lot of babble. The cult is making money, but not a lot of money. Money is doing. Lend us, slowing down. It's not enough for them to keep up with new clubs and keep buying new farms to prepare for the apocalypse. And, and then their money problems get a lot worse than 1990. In 1990, Joseph de Mambra's son Ali rats out his dad.

A lot of members leave when they find out that Joseph is not really conversing with ancient masters. It's all one big magic trick. Yup, Ali finds us out and tells everybody. And again, really wish I knew how it all worked, but Tony, Dutwa,, Demombro's longtime technical assistant is the only one who really knew how the special effects thing worked.

And he would not survive the wave of suicide murders, a few, murderers a few years later, so we can't ask him. In 1991, facing continuing dwindling membership when, when new clubs are not being built, excuse me, club members are, they've given loads and loads of money for these new clubs are not being built. Joseph now, club members are, they've given loads and loads of money for these new clubs are not being built. Joseph now starts to focus more and more of his doctrine on the end times, which isn't that usually how it goes, right? Like when the cold times

start to get tough, when it looks like the party may end in a few years, that's when the leader conveniently decides, ah, it's time to check out, time to end things. According to the testimony of former members, Joseph began to focus on the theme of transit around 1991. By transit, he meant a voluntary departure or a consent to bring the germ of life to another planet. Very heavens, Gady. It was necessary to be ready to leave Earth at any time in response to his call.

Gotta keep his remaining members too scared to leave. Gotta let them, you know, gotta get them thinking that just right around the corner. And any day now, we're gonna have to leave. In 1991, Demombro said he did not know what the mode of transit would be or exactly when he presented the metaphor of a passage across a mirror. God, dude loves mirrors.

And a vote to possibility of the coming of a flying saucer. Flying saucer might take you into the other world. An ex-member would later say, Demombro explained to us that one day we'd all be called to a meeting at which a transit would be accomplished. Well, I'm gonna ask you guys to answer. Well, I'm gonna ask you guys to answer. I'm gonna ask you guys to answer. Well, I'm gonna ask you guys to answer. Well, I'm gonna ask you guys to answer. Well, I'm gonna ask you guys to answer. Well, I'm gonna ask you guys to answer. Well, I'm gonna ask you guys to answer. Well, I'm gonna ask you guys to answer.

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hundred of them, wear and robs, waven swords and layers, full of fucking mirrors and candles. People who believe that they're the reincarnation of John the Baptist or Alexander the Greats, and they're having serious conversations about an upcoming departure to Jupiter,

and they gotta be ready at all times. That's their actual lives. Then in 1992 and 93, a bunch of members leave, the mirror, the excuse me, the hologram debacle cost them a lot of members. And now many more leaving when they find out that donations given to the group have not been going to the new, opening up new like compounds, they've been going to financing lavish homes for Joseph and Luke.

Whoops, you know, we're've been going to financing lavish homes for Joseph and Luke. Whoops, you know, world's gonna end soon might as well spend some time in the hot tub or in the pool behind my mansion before he bounce. Also in the early 90s, Joseph is becoming less fun to be around. The stress of dwindling memberships, his son's betrayal about his magic show. It's all weighing on him. He's becoming more and more authoritarian. In the early late years, he was Lucy Govesy. He helped out with communal living chores. He didn't project an era of, you know, pretentiousness. Now he's not doing the chores.

Now he's cranky pants. Now he's, you know, he's better than everybody else. When speaking to the police, a Canadian member who broke from the solar temple in 1993, summarized the feelings of many defectors around this time, saying, I did not feel that the people were living what they preached. And I was tired of the infighting

and never been able to find out what was going on. So I love that. I've never been able to find out what was going on. Yeah, exactly. I have gone over these notes so many times. And it's, yeah, it's fucking, he was just talking, it's like David Ike. Crazy talk, constantly,

constant new crazy talk, constantly changing mythology. I Can't believe anyone stayed after the magic show reveal right how do you explain that as the leader hey ah Hey guys, I know you know about the magic show now, but listen up. I know you're mad, but here's a deal The real version of the ancient masters you thought you saw are real. I promise Templars honor Templars honor. They do talk to me. They told me to use fake versions of them to find out who the real believers are.

Okay. Listen, any old asshole is going to join up if they actually see the spirit of a Templar night. Obviously, but only a chosen few will still join if they know that that was fake. And only the true inner circle will stay once the fake Templar's in reveal. Do you understand now? I mean, you still believe in new Jesus, right?

You still believe in Mosaic, right? You still believe I gotta fuck you to gather the strength to give the messages? The rules haven't changed. Look, I can only relay important messages if I get a blowjob, and I can only share the most important secrets if I get a three-sum with a lot of oil and toys. Wait, rock hard secrets. You still understand that, right?

No, fuck. Okay, let me just keep talking in circles. Let me use some more references. Let me get some more crystals. Let me spin some more amulets around. Let me reference some more ancient texts until you don't know what's real anymore. Rumors about embezzlement, various other financial manipulations, shady wheelings and dealings also spread throughout the group in 1993, costing more memberships.

Make matters worse, Dr. Luke gets into some legal trouble at this time, gets into trouble with Canadian law enforcement. After he gets caught encouraging other cult members to buy some illegal guns, the police were investigating anonymous threats from an unknown terrorist group at the time, and then they were tipped off by an informer about an attempt to buy some guns by some OTS members.

They wanted three guns with silencers. So then they start watching the group. Members get arrested in March 1993, the Canadian media reports a story, right? That doesn't help with recruitment. This gives the OTS more unwanted publicity. And Dr. Luke, you know, he gets a sentence of one year of unsupervised probation and a fine of $1,000 for buying prohibited arms.

As the membership continues to dwindle, the end times talk continues to heat up. A series of five of Joseph's messages are delivered under the title, the poll star, supposedly given to Joseph by the Lady of Heaven, between December 24th, 1993 and January 17th, 1994. They're in their final months now. This first message calls in the recipients to root out their terrestrial attraction

and talks about Jupiter is the next home. The second message extorts them to put their things in order to leave Earth free and clear. Their third message declares, we want you free to rejoin us without feeling constrained without feeling pressure, but of your own free will. And it warns, if you do not try your hardest to escape the attraction of this Earth, what was you? The fourth message repeats, it is now time to leave humanity to its deadly destiny. You are done with it. Don't look in the world for whoever

or whatever to save. Close the door on humans. The fifth message announces in the solemn tone, no light will stay on earth. Retire. Let go of this earth without remorse. So he's, fuck, it's Do. They all the way now, baby. Here's some more of their passage teachings.

The idea of the passage from one world to another might worry some of you. I assure you that you were going towards a marvelous world Which could not be in any case any worse than the one you are leaving. No from now on that after the passage you will have a body of glory, but you will still be recognizable You will no longer need to eat, but if you want to eat, you will be able to do it. Without earning your bread with a sweat of your brow, your eternal body will be subject neither to aging nor to pain nor to sickness.

Best suicide sales pitch ever. Yeah, killing yourself, you're fucking leveling up. Right, your transition to a new, better, immortal form where you get to look like you, but like a better you and you can eat, but don't have to, right? No more eating means no more shitting, no more work or pain or aging. Oh man, get ready. This next magic trick, this is going to be the real fucking deal. No more holograms.

According to Joseph's ever evolving solar temple beliefs, the departure is now possible because on January 6, 1994, the mysterious elder brothers of the Rosie Cross affected their transit for an elsewhere, capitalized for an elsewhere, that only the initiates know and serve, right? They fucking bounce the ancient masters are bouncing out to Jupiter. Joseph thankfully knows how to get there. They're going to take off towards superior dimensions. It's gonna be great.

Joseph wrote, take the place of the elder brothers on Venus so that on Jupiter, we will be reunited. What? We'll proceed to make room for us, show us the way and we will follow them. A lot of weird space talk now. 1994, Joseph desired to depart intensifies. He's probably got like, you know, one lady fucking

him now before meetings, it's getting real slim pickings. It's probably the least attractive lady, probably the one who knew the holograms were fake from the beginning, but just wanted to fuck him. You know, this isn't working. On an audio cassette from the spring of 1994, Demombro is heard saying, we are rejected by the whole world. First, why the people, the people can no longer withstand us and our earth. Fortunately, she rejects us. How would we leave otherwise? We also reject this planet. We wait for the day we can leave. Life for me is intolerable. Intolerable. I can't go on. So think about the dynamic that will get us to elsewhere. Man, he's ready to go. If I can't have a cult

on this planet, I'm taking my fucking cult to Jupiter. Things aren't going well for Dr. Luke and early 1904 either. An investigation into his finances quickly becomes global. A lot of shady willens and dealings. By early 1904, the Australian Federal Police, the Royal Canadian Mount of Police, and the French Chirtae are all closing in on him to convict him for some bad stuff. He's gonna put him away for a long time

related to a bezel-type stuff. It's going to put him away for a long time related to a bezel-met type stuff. Um, the French consulate in Montreal also has become insuspicious of the DeMont-Bros in early 1994, right? He's still married. Still married after convincing his wife that he's a fuck other cult members, uh, to have the strength to conjure up masters that are not real.

Uh, in March of 1994, the French Ministry of Foreign Affairs asked the Ministry of the Interior to advise whether it should extend his wife, Jocelyn's passport. As the family was unable to provide proof of their residents in Canada and had changed their residents in Canada five times in five years. Even stranger, Joseph Demondrow had obtained no less than five passports in seven years. And his visas showed he had made numerous short international unexplained trips to various countries, including several to Malaysia, Latinx, or like their hide money, they're doing all kinds of weird behind the scene stuff.

By October of 1994, it looks like the Demombos are about to get kicked out of Canada. Right? Kicked out of where their headquarters is. Or yeah, where their headquarters. The French Embassy extends Jocelyn's passport, but only for three months while they continue to investigate them. Joseph is now feeling persecuted. He is really focusing on a passage to another world.

Joseph wrote the following message to Jocelyn, found later on a code computer, which shows his level of paranoia now. We don't know when they might close the trap on us. A few days, a few weeks, we are being followed in spite upon in our every move. All the cars are equipped with tracing and listening devices. All of their most sophisticated techniques are being used on us while in the house, be aware of surveillance cameras, lasers and infrared. Our file is the hottest on the planet, the most important of the last 10 years if not the

century. However, that may be, as it turns out, the concentration of hate against us will only give us enough energy to leave. Fuck, I love the delusion revealed in this message. Their file is the hottest on the planet. No one's more important than them, and everyone's out to get them.

Everyone else is just a background actor and these background actors trying to fuck up their Jupiter trip and they got their infrared lasers beamed on them. The group is in its final days now. Joseph drafts their goodbye letter. Here is what it says. We address this final message to all those who can still understand the voice of wisdom. The chaos of this world inescapably leads humanity toward the failure of its destiny.

Throughout time, cycles have followed one another according to precise rhythms and laws. Various societies have disappeared and destructive, but regenerative disasters. None has fallen to our civilization's level of deconance. I am fucking no history very well. It cannot escape sudden self-destruction, subject as it is to devastating individual and collective egocentricity, and in its total ignorance of the laws of spirit and life.

Since the beginning of time, philosophers, prophets and avatars have come in succession. Avatars, I don't know. To help mankind take its place as creator. It's refusal every time to see in here has caused the plans of the cosmic evolution to go astray. We servants of the rose and cross possess an ancient and authentic wisdom.

If I can, they call you with the holograms. You remember that, right? And a firm that we have worked since the beginning of time for the evolution of awareness. Philosophy, sciences, and sacred shrines and temples remain as living witnesses. These beams devise their plan of action in the crypts and sanctuaries of the order, following strict guidelines. The results of secret so many secrets from the profane world,

but well known to the initiate. We, servants of the Rose Plus Cross declare that from all eternity, the universal solar temple has that from all eternity, the universal solo temple has shown itself among men, according to cycles of activity and dormancy. It's just borderline gibberish. After the solemn opening of the gates on March 21, 1981 in Geneva at the sanctuary of its secret lodge, a former domain of the order of Malta, its last overt activity will last 11 years. During this cycle, the Holy Grail, X-Caliber,

the seven branch candlestick, and the arc of the covenant are revealed to living witnesses. The last, the last faithful servants of the eternal Rose plus Cross, after these, lightweight. After this, the lies and libel, all the betrayals, the scandal carefully orchestrated by the powers that be, everyone's out to get them.

May have sounded the death knell for the last attempt to regenerate the plans of awareness. Those who have breached our code of honor are tritus. They will suffer the punishment they deserve for ages of ages. Everything happens according to the dictates of justice. We affirm that we execute justice according to the commands of a higher order. In view of the present unchangeable situation, we servants of the rose and cross forcibly reaffirm that we are not of this world and are perfectly aware of the coordinates of our origin and our future.

With no wish to start an empty polemic, we proclaim that the great white lodge of serious has decreed the recall of the last to carry the authentic ancestral wisdom. A just sentence will be executed according to the guidelines of a universal superior order with a full rigour of the law. God damn it, I hope my neighbors can hear me. They have to think we have a cult now, right? They have to think it.

Yeah, they're out of here. They know exactly where they're going. And you people read this note, well, get ready to give fuck, okay? I know. I have to think it. Yeah, they're out of here. They know exactly where they're going. And you people read this note. Well, get ready to give fuck, okay? Get ready for the shit store, motherfucker. We're beaming towards Jupiter. We're following a serious star.

We got a fucking arc of the covenant. We got some candle or some shit. And you're going to suck Satan's dick here on earth. So ha ha, ta da, motherfucker. Oh my god. Ha ha ha. On October 4th, 1994. The end begins with murder. Ah, this part, not funny. The dead bodies of two cult members and their baby are found

in Marin Heights, Quebec. They'd actually been killed five days earlier, a September 30th, Collette, and Jerry, Janau, members of the solar temple, Advait Tony, Du Toa, and his wife, Nikki Robinson Du Toa, two other members, over dinner. Mr. do toa, he was the guy member in charge of special lighting and special effects that made the hologram thing happen. Tony had just recently spoken out against the group. And even worse, he had given his baby the wrong name. Yeah, for real. Joseph DeMombro had not authorized the pregnancy, which he had been doing the past few years for members. He decided when female members got pregnant, probably largely with him. He decided what their babies are going to be named.

And when the detours, they have their boy without, you know, his approval and they named the boy Christopher Immanuel. Joseph has outraged because he has a daughter named Immanuel who is supposedly the cosmic child, that's what he called her. Not cool, not cool. So to punish the couple, he has other members, convinces them that the baby is the anti-Christ and has to be taken care of. And he has the Gen, Gen, Gen was killed this baby, richly, puts a wooden dagger through

the baby's heart and this, in this murder that involves all these specific steps. They believe two night, Templar nights had to run the stakes through the baby's heart in a very specific way to kill the antichrist. I mean, holy fuck, you are all in on the cult. When you run a wooden dagger through a baby's chest, Tony and his wife also stabbed a death. Hopefully for their sake, before they had to watch their baby get stabbed, the Genoise fleet is switched to line after the murders, but not before trying to burn down the apartment to destroy evidence of what they've done.

They'll die the night after the three bodies are discovered later in the group's big earthly departure, which is late on October 4th, a little before midnight, residents of the small Swiss village of Sauri noticed that a fire started at the Lusherette farm in the heights around the village, a farm owned by the temple. On Wednesday, October 5th, around 3 a.m., three shellAs were in flames at another place in Switzerland, a savant, 23 corpses are discovered at Sheree, another 25 are found in Salvan, including the Demombros and Dr. Luke. Even Joseph's grown son, Ali, the one who ran it out his father for the holograms was found there. That obviously talked him into sticking around. And Seree, most

of the victims had apparently been called to a meeting on Sunday. We're probably already dead by Monday, October 3rd. Total of 65 bullets is found in their heads. Most of the victims had absorbed a strong sleeping pill before being shot. No firearms were used in Sivan. That's where the core members lived. They'd all been injected with the poisonous substance provided by Dr. Luke Shiree, who'd injected himself as well.

Some of the 48 victims who died in the two mass departures were clearly murdered, while others submitted to execution voluntarily. However, even if their deaths were technically assassinations, both in the head will never know with absolutely certainly how many victims volunteered, I guess, for that violent departure, or how many realized beforehand that the fabulous voyage to another planet was going to have such a brutal beginning. Despite the death of the entire inner circle of the cult, the order is still not done. There was still a few living members left in Switzerland, France, Canada, even Spain,

more would soon decide to depart Earth over a year later, later in the evening of December 15, 1995, 16 more members would die. December 23, their bodies were discovered in a star-shaped formation in the mountains of France, found later that two of them shot the others and then committed suicide by shooting themselves. One of the dead included French Olympian, Edith Banlou, an alpine skier who he competed in the Women's Downhill's 1956 Olympics. Then in 1997, five more died in Canada. On the morning of March 23rd, five temple members took their own lives in San Cazmir, Quebec, right after setting their home on fire, leaving

behind five charred bodies for the police to pull from the rubble. Total of 69 members left the earth via ritualized departures and another three, the du Tours were murdered. Some sources say 74 died, but when you add up the official reports of death, you keep coming up with 72. And I believe that number. And still to cold, not entirely done. It finally died, at least as far as we know, in 1999, when it's final leader, a new leader,

Michelle Tabaschenik, a Swiss music conductor and composer was arrested in Quebec. He was indicted for participation in a criminal organization in charge of murder. He came to trial in Grenoble, France during the spring of 2001, ended up getting acquitted. French prosecutors appealed the verdict and then in a pellet court ordered a second trial. It began October 24, 2006 and then he was cleared again in December 2006. This guy was the chief conductor of the Brussels Philharmonic from 2007 to 2015. How weird is that? He segwayed right into being this conductor of this Philharmonic, then he retired.

And from everything I can tell, he's still alive. He's currently 76 years old, believed to still be living in Brussels. As far as I know, he's not wearing a robe, holding the sword or preparing to travel to Jupiter anymore. If another solar temple is still out there, I don't know about it, but I'm sure we'll hear about it sooner or later. And that takes us out of today's time-soaked timeline.

Good job, soldier. You've made it back, barely. BAM! BAM! BAM! BAM! BAM! BAM!

BAM! BAM! BAM! BAM! Pretty crazy, right? What an interesting and complex belief system. If you're still confused about it, yeah, everybody is including everyone who died in that cult. The underlying message, it doesn't actually make sense. It sounds like a lot of work, too, right? A lot of mythology to keep inventing. I guess, I guess no crazier than Jim Jones, though.

I mean, that guy started off as a Christian preacher with a civil rights and kind of social justice focus and then transitioned his group into a quasi Christian belief system where he's got his new profit and gets people to live on a communist type compound. And then he transitions further into rejecting Christianity all together and just being a straight up communist death cult. I guess at least Joseph Demoberl stuck with his belief system, you know, being tied to the night's Templars until

the very end. You know, Dr. Luke, he stuck with his homeopathic beliefs until the end. They were consistent in their complications. Now, before we wrap up, let's see what the Internet have to say about them. It is of the Internet. The video I watched today is the Order of the Solar Temple, 50 minute documentary, has 283,637 views, published on September 17, 2014 by user captain marginal. And underneath this video, Jay, Macadamam post have to say I like the outfits. If you're going to join a death cult, you might as well have great cloaks as a solid point. They had no shortage of pomp and circumstance, right? I mocked the robes, but cooler to be in a cult with robes and swords and going through, you know, rituals and a fancy mirrored layer, you know, that it would be to be in a

cult where the leaders wear like gene cargo shorts, the whole sparklers that have gathered in a layer. Everybody just stands in an above ground pool behind some fucking trailer. I thought that'll be harder to feel good about being in that cult. Barnaby Robert replies, but why? Think of the dry cleaning bills. Another good point. I feel like you might want to go with dark robes if you're firing up a cult. You know, you don't want to be wasting money on dry cleaning. When you could be using

that money to buy, you know, drugs to spike members drinks with. William Belinde cracks me up posting Canada, Brian Adams, summer of 69, 69 deaths, coincidence, I think not. All right, I mean, to be fair, you know, that song that came out in I-24, so they would have been likely very familiar with it. Yes, 69 people did formally transit. You know, the other three were murdered. Did Brian Adams predict the solar temple cold and estimates?

Well, Jay Mac at him, you hear from him again, he replies, summer, solar, wow, you must be right. I think maybe he did predict it I mean if you listen to the lyrics real hard, you know, I got my first real sick string But it at the five and time Played it till my fingers blade was a summer of 69 Me and some guys from school Funda cold and we tried real hard and you put up the night's template

I should've known we'd always did pottle when I look back now I should've worked out on my holograms and if I had the choice yeah I'd never tell my son shit those were the best days of my life. I mean, that's one version that I found somewhere that I'm not gonna tell you about.

Jarl, more posts, Brave Ones are gone. Cowards are left to tell their stories. Ah, that's one way to look at it. Are you in a doomsday cult? Jarl, are you preparing to exit? Are you preparing to rebrave? Kovina White replies with, or the crazy ones are gone and the more rational ones scared

to die lived because they had some reasonable doubts. I like you, Kovina. Yeah, I agree. The ones who left and, you know, like to play, yeah, the ones who left probably a little crazier than the ones who stayed, who just wanted to wear rugs and play with swords and shit, but weren't quite ready to travel to Jupiter. Um, Michael Skinner posts, these, this, now, now they would get to the good stuff. Michael Skinner posts, these people were murdered by real Satanists that run the secret societies

they were trying to emulate and compete with. The Knights Templar and other secret orders do not mess around. Wow, man, you have, you have spent too much time on the dark side of the web, Mr. Skinner. Is that the story? Isn't fucking crazy enough? You have to add that this cult was murdered by another morons' hand cult by some real magic night's templar satanic cult,

because what? They came too close to discovering the real truth with their holograms in gibberish. Get out of here. That's nonsense. Gandalf the white takes it even to a more idiotic place goes goals full. A hundred percent there is no hope for him idiot replying with Michael Skinner Satanist. LOL. No, it's the Jews. They pull all the strings. I love it when someone mocks somebody for posting something outrageously stupid and then proceeds to post something even more outrageously stupid. That's the Satanist, Michael Skinner, you moron.

Hello, it's the Jews. The Jews killed the solar temple members because, yeah, you know, because they're Jews and they listen, they pull fucking strings and stuff, you guys. Listen, I don't, I haven't looked into it further than that. I don't even, I don't really know what all that even means. I just know that my dad yells a lot of stuff when things aren't going right at work. Uh, Dr. Benway MD post, fucking idiots, LOL.

Thank you, Dr. Benway. You get it. That, that may be best summarizes up the entire story of the solar temple cult, fucking idiots, L.O.L. Harriet Macy posts something that cracks me up saying the people, the story and religion are so incredibly boring. It's kind of hard to care. And then Jay MacKid and McGinn shows up replying saying, eh, they're Swiss.

I just love that. Of course, they're boring. They are Swiss. And I'm sure there's plenty of very exciting Swiss people, but this cracked me up because if someone put a gun to my head and said, name the most boring country in the world, I'm not gonna lie. Switzerland would be in the running. I don't even know entirely why.

I hear you here yet. Their story did come across a little boring. Not a lot, a lot of juicy orgy details. A lot of rituals, a lot of secrets, not enough stories about the fucking. Charlie Gumball posts, damn cult leader killing kids, disgusting and outmost criminal. Thanks, Charlie. Thanks for reminding us to kill kids. It's not only disgusting, it's criminal.

It's outmost criminal. Nothing gets by you. That's what I like about you. Nothing gets by you. Finally, user three, S, M, P, posts, something that caused me to do a little extra digging. This user posts for anyone who is interested in cults. I wanted to report that I just participated in the Hatchet job report by Inside Edition for the 20th anniversary.

They added a lie to the story by combining some other report of finding a room with a blood soaked carpet in the mansion that never happened. There were no reports of blood anywhere, but now that they're saying it will be added to the brains of all those who don't know better. That is why this is the way it works and has worked before and the reason most of today's Christians know next to nothing about the real Jesus. They also took one tiny clip from the hour long interview they did with me and used you completely out of context to push forward their own agenda.

However, I also video video interview, which I posted on my channel in two parts, for anyone who really wants to see what I had to say. It's a new day for revealing of the truth and it's accompanying the many signs in the sun moon stars that are never reported in the mainstream media or its offshoots. One can get info on these signs on YouTube and you can see many of the pics of my broadcasts. I go by the name Sawyer, seen on this documentary as well. Okay, so who's this Sawyer? I looked into it.

Turns out he did speak inside edition. They interviewed him about his membership in Heaven's Gate. This dude was a member of Heaven's Gate for 18 years, left to 1994, three years before the left earth, on 1997, and now is weirdly back in the cult after the cult is left. He's one of maybe three members left. There's two members who stayed behind to run the

heavensgate.com website. That's the website I emailed back during that suck and they actually got back to me told me not to commit suicide because you can't get to the spaceship anymore. And but this guy who maybe one of the two, maybe is a third, still waiting to hear back from Marshall Apple White and Bonnie.

He's still in the cult. He's still defending them. He still believes their messages. And now he's watching the moon, stars and sun for new messages from fucking dough and tea and I've read a long-winded blog post of his where he defends, you know, cult's rights to religious freedoms. No, no, dude, no. Add thecation of suicide too far.

Murder too far. Put into wooden stake in a baby's heart too far. Be free to believe whatever you want to believe. But if that belief brings kids into it and that belief involves, you know, the planning of a mass suicide to make it to a spaceship, fuck you in your beliefs. Your beliefs are now too fucked up for you to be a parent. Uh, you're, you're can continue to believe in something like that

your kids to be taken away from you uh... let it go so you're they're not coming back there's no more messages it was all nonsense uh... you know the only mess just being given now are are those whipped up by other idiots of the internet it is the internet all right so final thoughts it's always basically the same story with these quotes, right? They sell the same message that, you know, major religions push off in some form that the

world is terrible, that everything's falling apart, and that they have the solution to make everything better, right? It's going to, they're going to make it the best it's ever been. But you got to listen to them. Don't despair, you know, stick with us, kid. Sell your shit, come live on the compound. We'll have you walk in the spiritual high road, no time, and it's no accident that we've met. Now, we've been looking for you specifically. You are one of God's chosen few. All right, it was your destiny to be found. Together with your new fearless leader,

you're gonna await God's imminent return. Hell, you might even just travel around space. Look over God. Everyone else is fucked, but you get to be part of the big transformation that includes immortality and eternal bliss. And don't freak out. Before we go find God, probably gonna need to fuck your wife. Don't fall for this shit time, suckers. If God does exist, no one knows what God thinks. Not any specific terms, you know, you know,

not any like terms like where you get to leave your family and come live with us on a compound, right? These guys dress their messages up in a lot of different ways, but the results always the same you get fucked You know sometimes just get fucked financially sometimes your wife just literally fucked other times you get literally fucked And sometimes your life gets fucked over right? Yeah, you be part of some weird mass suicide To leave such a horrible place like really is it really that bad? I don't think so. We talk about a lot of dark subjects here on time. So, but the world has a lot of good in it. I got a nice example of this just the other day.

Lindsay and I had a little health scare with my son, Kyle, on the way back from Panama, where we had an awesome fan vacation. He went to go use the bathroom in the middle of a four-hour flight on Delta from Panama, said he to Atlanta. And he started to pass out, and this has never happened before.

The color left his face Flight attendant runs back to me. I was actually working on this script had my headphones on You know I get throw my headphones off like what's going on tells us to come back? Race back I had to grab him. He's like about to fall over Carrying him to a row of seats where they cleared to lame down. He's super sweaty. He feels like he's burning up It's fucking terrifying. Lame down put his head in my lap, you know, I talked to him, I told him to stay calm. Another guy, Stranger, elevates his feet of the instructions of this doctor who joined up

with in 30 seconds, there was two doctors, a trauma surgeon named JR and another pediatrician are standing there. Within a minute, two nurses are also there, two flight attendants are bringing in water and orange juice. When I talk about diabetes in my family and how I have my own blood sugar issues, a stranger gives them some candy.

The surgeon, JR, takes his pulse, asks a lot of questions. He drinks the orange juice, nibbles on some chocolate, pounds water. Well, I kind of just rub my hands through his hair and keep him calm. So weird, he's like my little toddler again, instead of some big 13 year old. Seems so helpless. Lindsey gets medical medical information gives that to another flight attendant who's talking about bringing this oxygen

Thankfully, he starts to feel better turns out he just got really dehydrated We went snorkeling day before he didn't drink enough water been out in the hot sun too much He'd had too many carbs too much sugar and enough protein Slowly became himself again drank a liter of water in about three minutes. Delta arranged for a wheelchair to bring him to the next gate, gave him more water. They gave miles, they handed out a bunch of free miles to everyone who would help the nurses and the doctors.

When we landed in a plane emptied, I would say a good half of the people on this full flight asked if he was okay, stopped and asked if he was okay on the way out. The doctor, JR, got my number. We texted throughout the rest of the day. He was constantly checking in as was okay. Stopped and asked if he was okay on the way out. The doctor, JR, got my number. We texted throughout the rest of the day. He was constantly checking in as he okay. If he made it home safe, he wants to know

what the pediatrician, pediatrician has to say when we take him in. I got kind of, by the way, two five guys burgers once we landed, more water, he was himself by the time we flew home. I also thought I might tear up when we got to that plane, man, all these strangers, different ages, different races, different looks, I'm sure there was conservatives, liberals, whatever,

all just genuinely concerned about the health of a boy they didn't know they had never even met. Despite all the darkness we cover here on the suck, never forget there's a lot of fucking goodness world, never a good idea to check out. And Kyler is fine by the way, he's all good and harassed and sister again, and it's time now for top five takeaways.

Time, suck, tough, five takeaways. Number one, the order of the solar temple was the brainchild of longtime Ross accrucian Joseph DiMombreau and new age homeopathic doctor Luke Jare. It was based in a belief that they were the continuation of the Knights Templar Catholic medieval military order in a belief that they were the continuation of the night's Templar Catholic medieval military order and a belief that the night's Templar knew a bunch of magical ross of Crucion secrets that that no one else knew. Right? So many secrets. Number two,

ross of Crucionism is based on occultism, hermeticism and Christian narcissism. Basically, a belief that a small group of people have known about powerful secret, magical items and rituals for a long time. They're the Illuminati. Number three, Dr. Luke Jare and Joseph Demombra work together to build their cult, Luke hit the new age lecture circuit looking for people interested in healthy communal living with an emphasis on soul body connection. And then Joseph Demombra lured them into becoming full cult members by guiding them through elaborate rituals in a special mirrored chamber where ancient masters would show up via hologram.

How did he convince Tony to twa the guy who ran the show to still be in the cult by the way? How did he convince some people to stay when he found out he tricked them? It was a fast talker man. This mumbo jumbo game was real strong. Number four, the majority of members of the solar temple would die in a series of mass suicides of murders in Quebec, Canada, France, and Switzerland, beginning in 1994, ending in 1997. 72 would die, at least three were murdered, and a small unknown number of believers would continue to think Joseph, Dr. Luke, and others had made it to Jupiter and beyond.

Living out in space somewhere with other night's Templar spirit people think. Number five, new info. In addition to getting in trouble with the law in France, early in his life in 1972 for writing bad checks and doing some swindling, Joseph de Montbroe before he started his cult, got in trouble for also for pretending to be a psychologist. Of course he did, he was a con man. He got caught working as a psychologist

even though he had no psychological training whatsoever. He forged a degree, hung on the wall, and started taking patients. I wonder if getting people to confide in him and share their darker secrets helped him manipulate future cult members. I'm gonna say yes. I think Joseph both believed his bullshit

and consciously manipulated his followers. Time, suck, tough, five takeaways. The order of the solar temple has been sucked. Oh, what do you think about that baby secret? Okay, whatever whatever she said thanks to the time sucked team you can check you can see a baby secret on YouTube by the way Thanks to the queen of suck Lindsey Cummins high priest of the suck Harmonyony Vellacamp, Jesse and Guardian of Grammar Dove, and a reference doctor, Joe Paisley, time, yeah, time suck high priest Alex Dugan, the guys at Bidelix are danger brain and access to peril. Thanks to the Lillie twins, Reba and Sarah,

hammers of knowledge for help me get started and understand who these assholes were and what they were about. Their notes cracked me up. There were a lot of stuff of like, yeah, this shit's weird. Thanks for including a lot of sources that you had access to that I would not through using your various online university databases. Next week, we're going back to Russia

for our third Russian serial killer, first Chikotilo, right? What's this big deal? Chikotilo is big deal, he's still favorite. And that's right, and by new guys, by the counts maybe higher, but I still have softest shamecock. I still rassle hardest.

There was Alexander Prasushkin, the chessboard killer, and now we have space lizard vote winner Mikhail Popkov, the werewolf. Former Siberian police junior lieutenant sends to life in prison in 2015 for raping and killing 22 Russian women. Soon after the first verdict, a new investigation began on 56 more incidents of rape and homicide. Pop cops, victims were aged between 18 and 50. Largely, he said he sent them to death as soon as they agreed to share a drink with them. That's a state prosecutor, Alexander Shinovkov said. He was sentenced on the additional murders

and given a redundant second life sentence. They meled over there since the days of G. C. Taylor no more bullets to the back of the school. So find out how one man was able to kill so many and we'll head over to Siberia. Why don't you feel better about where you live? We'll probably talk about how Siberia is largely a shinnel. It's a place I feel very confident making fun of since I'm guessing I don't know what we got two three Siberian listeners. Yeah. So that's what that's what happened our next week on time. So right now I need to share the messages of some various fabulous meat sacks on today's time sucker updates.

Rupdate, get your time sucker updates. Got the most messages we've ever received regarding the same subject this past week, a Jack the Ripper update. Michael Glass, one of many who sent me a link to a CBS news story, Jack the Ripper identity. Aaron Cups-Minsky, named as notorious serial killer by forensic scientists, CBS news. He wrote, well, well, well, might we have an answer here, suck master? And here's the most important info from the update. We may, excuse me, genetic tests published last week in the Journal of Forensic Sciences, point to Aaron Cosminsky, a 23 year old Polish barber and prime police suspect

at the time of the Jack the River killings. Kaminsky has, it's weird, his name is spelled, sometimes with the piece on us without, and this is from CBS. Kaminsky has previously been named as the possible suspect, a suspect, but this is the first time that supporting DNA evidence has been published in a peer-reviewed journal according to science.

The results come from a forensic examination of a stained silk shawl that investigators said was found next to a mutilated body of Catherine Adose, the killer's fourth victim, who's badly mutilated body was found September 30, 1888. Shawl is stained with what is claimed to be blood and semen. The latter thought by sound to have belonged to the killer. Researchers compared fragments of mitochondrial DNA, which has passed down solely from one's mother,

received from the Shawl with samples taken from living descendants of a Dallas and Kisminski, to one of Kisminski's living descendants. Of, on the testing, the first result showed a 99.2% match. Since the DNA has two complimentary strands, we went on and tested the other DNA strand, which had a perfect 100% match. Kaminsky died in an asylum in 1919. Case notes indicate he had been ill since at least 1885. His insanity took the form of auditory hallucinations, a paranoid fear of being fed by other people

that drove him to pick up and eat food, dropped his litter, a refusal to wash her bath. The cause of his insanity was reported as self-abuse, which is thought to be a youth feminism for masturbation. Support diet seems to have kept him in an emaciated state for years. His low weight was recorded in the asylum case notes by February 1919. He weighed just 96 pounds. And then he died when he was, February 19, 19, he weighed just 96 pounds. And then he died when he was, yeah, following mother, he's 53.

Now it's not 100% proof. Imagine this sense doesn't mean that the blood comparisons taken from relatives is the only match that could turn up. They tested micro-conradial DNA and many people have indicated that micro-conrad, that my god, mitochondrial DNA that making the returns from the show less cut and dry than people think. Some people think that the show was actually the crime scene. I think he did it because, I mean, he's Polish, which makes him far more likely to be a

murder. And as we all know, as we all, you know, listen to this podcast, we now understand the true nature of Polish people. And of course, he ended up in a asylum. 99% of people in old school of silence were actually Polish. That's another fact. I'm sure a lot of you guys know the word of silence is a Polish word. It means house for especially intelligent Polish people.

But seriously, I mean, who knows? It looks like this could be the dude. At the very least, Vegas odds have to have him now as the favorite. So that is a very cool update. Second update is from time, sucker Jessica Cassias, Cassias who sent in messages before regarding some immigration difficulties encountered by her husband. Sorry, I'll read this message a few weeks late, Jessica. She writes, Hello, Master Father Sucker, Queen of the Suck, and Reverend Jill Paisley. I have an update regarding my husband's immigration process. And if you guys remember, this would be going on for quite

some time, like her husband's stuck in Mexico away from her and her kids. We received an approval letter regarding Jack's pardon and managed to schedule another appointment in Juarez. His interview is scheduled for September 3rd. This interview will give us our answer on whether Jack will be able to finally come home or not. I hope you'll read this so the whole cult knows

about this possible good news, and hope everyone will keep us in their thoughts in the coming months, and possibly sacrifice a cocker, Spanieler II, to in the name of Nimrod and the hope that he's approved in his interview. Thank you again for all you have done and continue to do. I pray to Nimrod that you have fun on your cruise and that you don't puke, hail Nimrod, hail master sucker, praisemobjangles and praise Luciferina. Why didn't I didn't puke, I did have fun. And thanks for thinking of me when you have so much to deal with on your own plate, Jessica. Yes, positive thoughts for you on this upcoming reunion.

I really hope you are reunited soon and you can put all this behind you and that you and your husband can enjoy full citizenship together. Please keep us posted, hail Nimrod, powerful positive thoughts send your way. I wish I could manifest them as powerfully as the night's simpler, but I don't i don't

i don't have quite their confidence but i do believe in that to a certain level so i i will i will push your waste but second now some good news for time sucker uh... jaren i'll i'm guessing jaren i'll uh... i like the news let's hear it

uh... jaren says good afternoon almighty sucker not clever enough to think of funny nicknames. It's going to be kind of long, and I'm sorry, but my name is Jaren Isles. I'm a 21, I'm 21 years old, living in Georgia, and I've been listening to your comedy for about three years now. I'm currently a full-time student. In my last semester, I actually obtained a degree in nuclear engineering, technology, fucking, whatever, sounds dumb.

I know. Sounds super awesome. I also work full-time doing residential construction, remodeling and pool structures basically. I have to pay for my own college at a pocket because I still live with my parents and they make too much money for me to get financial aid. But because my mom has a lot of medical bills,

they can't afford to pay for my college. So I work about 60 hours a week and my boss is awesome and serves me out jobs and just gives me the profits off of them to pay for school. That is awesome. The point of this message is to thank you because during all these long weeks and long hours, I've been listening to TimeSuck and keeps me going.

And because of you helping me through all of this hard work, my college has paid off. I got a job at a nuclear site near me, even before I finished school. Fuck yeah man, and my girlfriend and I also just purchased our first home. And you're doing this shit at 21? So thank you for keeping me awake entertained and motivated

PS listening to the sucks on the nuclear topics and Tesla made me laugh because I understood almost everything you talked about and stumbled about Okay, well, yeah, and I was also born in the city of point her on Michigan where Thomas Edison lived well congrats Jaren Half a few man and I love seeing someone get the fruits of some Harley I love since a young man work as fucking ass off. I can't tell you how much I love that. Love hearing about people working really, really hard to get what they want out of life. If you're not getting what you want and you're not working hard, well, hopefully the store

like this motivates you. Working hard does not guarantee that you're gonna get everything you've ever wanted, but it's certainly, I think, increases odds you're going to get what you fucking need. Believe that, go get it. Hail Nimrod, man. Can't stress that enough, especially for younger listeners. Man, if you want nicer things in life, fucking work, work, super fucking hard. All right. Now in atheists versus Christian update from Steve, I got a lot of these past few weeks. Steve sent in a subject line of evolution, does not lead to violence, mother fucker. You have my attention. Dear Dan Collins of House Time, Suk Master of Suckers,

the Mushmouth Profit of Nimrod, Pup Scooper, Bojangles, Caps and Space Loss, Raster of Cheek and Tilo, herald her of spoons and holder of far too many titles, yes. Sorry about the aggressive subject, I'm just hoping to get your attention. My name is Steve, I'm a long time listener, recent space lizard. Love everything you're doing with time suck, especially the community you've built.

It's rare to get people to different world views to come together and be able to share their thoughts respectfully. In that same spirit of open discourse, I'd like to air my grievances about a recent time sucker update. The gist of it was, learning evolution distances us from an all-powerful creator and causes us to not value human life We were not created to be special so we're just another animal

As an atheist this kind of thinking really gets my zapples going father's mother of so mad about this Making matters worse you seem to kind of sort of not really but maybe a little bit agree Well, okay, not yet. Now, don't worry. I love and trust the cult to curious, so I'll keep my apples under control, but it's clear to me that there's a misunderstanding about the situation so here goes. First, as you even pointed out, evolution in God are not mutually exclusive. Many, I'd say, most theists accept evolution, and oddly enough, most people who accept evolution also believe in Creator. Hell, most scientists believe in a creator many scientists have gotten into the field as a way of learning how God works.

If it created this wonderful existence what's the harm in learning how it works wouldn't that give us greater insight in his divine nature. Second why are we automatically not especially just because we're the product of natural processes. I think I'm pretty special. I bet you think you're pretty special too. I am okay. I happen to agree. I think we're all pretty special, especially compared to like a mosquito,

fucking assholes. That's because I'm a member of the human species. I've invested interest in the survival of this species. Aside from my opinion, there's the fact that we are the only animal capable of science, complex math, agriculture, medicine, and reading, food, and judo. Nice. I say this pretty damn special. Mosquitoes, your mosquitoes like sucking so much, how about you suck on that? Third, how does being created make a special? If there is a divine creator, then yeah, he created us and birds, fish, rocks, and ass hole mosquitoes. If literally everything was created,

it makes it specifically not special. Fourth evolution is a fact. When people talk about the theory of evolution, they tend to get hung up on the word theory. In science, a theory is not a hunch. It's a detailed explanation of an observed phenomenon. What happens, how it happens, what causes, et cetera. To be labeled a scientific theory,

it must be proven experimentally reproducible, peer-reviewed, and several other things. When we talked evolution and talked about the theory of evolution by means of natural selection, evolution is the observed phenomenon. The theory is explaining not the explanation. By the way, it has been observed. Just Google observed instances of speciation.

It's a real thing that happens. Denying it is just willful ignorance. Anyways, sorry about this marathon of an email. I just decided to get this out there. Keep doing what you're doing. Most importantly, keep on sucking. Your loyal space is just Steve. Well, thank you, Steve. I hear what you're saying. Believe in evolution does not necessarily mean

you value human life less. I was just entertaining that possibility and again I would be interested in seeing the stats that they existed. And yes I did entertain the possibility that evolutionists may be value human life less because I'm a believer in evolution and I question how much value I place on the on human life in general some days. But I shouldn't extrapolate and make similar assumptions about other evolutionists. As far as your argument about not being special if a creator created us along with fishes, rocks, birds, etc.

That argument I actually don't agree with. I think control your apples. If the creator explicitly said, hey, you are more special and it's your job to take care of lesser, not a special creature that are also created, then yes, in that belief system human life would indeed be special and have more value. What I like about your message is that you clearly value human life a great deal as did our religious message sender. You like talking with people of other belief systems. I feel like this, you know, also kind of just shows that atheists and theists maybe aren't that different after all. Atheists aren't always, you know, flippantly taking human life because they don't believe in God and theists aren't always

there out there taking out human life in the name of God. Most of us, whether we believe and God or not, do value human life. Me, I think I just researched so many dirt bags. Sometimes I forget that most of us are pretty good creatures and I like that I get reminded of how good we actually are, many of us, by your messages. Now an update from teen time sucker, Quinn Murray, and thank you for that message. Dear Reverend Dr. Cummins' ass choir,

my name is Quinn Murray, I'm a 17 year old sucker. I normally wouldn't do this, but I've listened to your stand-ups since I was in sixth grade and you're someone I look up to a lot. Currently, I have been struggling through depression and anxiety doing large part to not fitting in in my high school. On a particularly bad day, I listened to the Kurt Cobain suck

and you called the suckers the cream of the goddamn crop. And I don't know why, but you telling me I belong somewhere really felt like you meant it. Thank you for reminding me, I'm not alone and for being my only company over the summer as I work in a cement yard off of myself. Keep up the great work, respectively your faithful sucker, Quinn Murray.

Love here in this Quinn. Sorry, I go through some rough times and fuck now you're not alone and fuck your high school. It's just part of your day for four years that really isn't that long. I had way more fun in college in high school. I didn't have a lot of fun in high school off and I didn't really date in high school.

Didn't have that much interest in hanging out with many of their kids. Couldn't wait to get out, made it out of my small town, that I couldn't wait to leave, made it to a whole new world where I met like-minded people. You know, people I didn't know really existed until I got there and had a great fucking time. There's a big world out there, man, so much bigger than your high school. There is a place for you outside of the Colter Currest.

You have a place here too. So many places, man, if you you can I can't stress this enough Travel when you graduate if money's tied take buses and staying hostels See some of the world she is much of it as you can find a spot where it fucking resonates where it feels right Where it feels like this is my tribe and figure out how to make your life there if at all possible and it probably is possible Hail fucking Nimrod dude possible and it probably is possible. Hail fucking Nimrod, dude. Love you, man.

Finally, great update to leave on from Adam Celter, our Canadian meat sack, who has a little cancer fighter for his son, and is currently beating me in the world's annual father of the year competition. Adam Wright, suck master general, sir. Please accept my apologies for not sending the letter sooner.

However, there is something truly amazing that you need to know when I had to wait until I had the time to write you properly and give this the time and attention it deserves. You can also be a professional letter, writer by the way. Shortly after my first letter to you and our brief exchange and emails, Jacob was hospitalized and we had to spend almost the entire year of February in hospital isolation room. Things have improved a few days ago. We were released from the hospital and our resting comfortably at home.

Although that is not the part I'm writing to tell you. The part that you need to know is that on February 5th at about 2.30 a.m. as we always do, Jake and I were out for a drive and listening to TimeSuck. We heard you read my letter. It never occurred to me that you would read my letter on the show when I was flatter that you set aside time to do that. Thank you for that. Thank you for again for the generous donation made to Cancer Research in our name.

And thank you for the kind words you spoke in your comments. That was a really cool experience for me to hear you speaking directly to me after having spent such a long time listing to TimeSuck. Here is the amazing part. At no time in my letter, which you read on the episode, or in our emails back and forth that I mentioned to you, that independent of TimeSuck, a GoFundMe account had been created by some family and friends of ours, to help us with mounting financial strengths connected to Jake's illness. I didn't mention it to you because I did not and friends of ours to help us with mounting financial strengths connected to Jake's illness. I didn't mention it to you because I did not and do not want to ever think that my letter

to you was any kind of veil attempt to promote the GoFundMe account or ask for a donation. It was not. The wild part is since you aired the episode, I received several monetary donations, some named and some anonymous by people I don't know. All stating they are time suckers and spacelessers and they heard my letter on your show and wanted to help. Sent some sent me emails, some left comments on the go fund me, but a dozen or more people, time suckers all reached out.

They took the initiative themselves to find us on go fund me, and zero prompting our assistants and each made donations. Listening to time suck has taught me all about psychotic serial killers, shady political conspiracies, twisted social experiments, and questionable sexual customs.

But now it has also taught me that there are good and decent people out there who will stop what they were doing wherever they are and put effort into finding a website and sending help to a random guy that they don't know and will never meet to solve a problem that they don't have. That is something truly amazing and what is more sir and that is that in part, that is something you did. Those kind of sweet people you helped, who helped me are your audience. They did that because of your show.

That is the kind of people you have in your time, sucker army. I was right then. You are having a huge effect in the lives of people you don't know in place you've never been. That I think is something you should know and something you should be proud to be a part of. I certainly do leave nothing unsaid. Hail Nimrod. Adam Celter, random came

meet sack. Man, love, love, love this Adam. More goodies are coming your way by the way, even more unass for help has is in the works. Culticurus not done helping you. I am very proud of being part of this community. I want to help grow it further this year and other members who have written in for help and I haven't read your message Please post in the Coltocurus private Facebook group get it out to the the crew that way I'm already making the episode probably too long and there's just too many messages coming in for me to share them all Link to the Facebook Coltocurus group by the way in the episode description Glad glad things are going better at them for you and Jacob. Glad you got some help.

Thanks for sharing that. Yeah, we're going to do my best to take this further. Hail Nimrod, everyone. Thanks, time suckers. I need a net. We all did. That's all for today, Meat Sacks. Hope you like the show.

Hope you like to learn some magical secrets. Have a great week. Don't move into Templar-based compounds. Or any other compounds this week, where the leader has to fuck you to gain strength to teach you stuff. And keep on sucking. That's kind of a long episode, baby secret. What do you think? You worn out?

Did you just say kill the... What? Something? Something about devil? I speak for God. It sounded like you said I speak for God, it sounded like you said I speak for God. Your name sure is baby secret, your name should be creepy as fuck.