Timesuck with Dan Cummins - 152 - The Anti-Vaccination Movement

Starting point is 00:00:00 Over 108 million people were killed in all the wars of the 20th century. 108 million. But the totality of those deaths pales in comparison to the total lives lost to infectious disease, contagious viruses and bacteria tag teamed to kill 1.68 billion people in the 20th century alone. Over one and a half billion meat sex in just a hundred years. Only non-communicable diseases like heart disease and diabetes killed more people in the 20th century, and before the 20th century, nothing killed more meat sacks, prematurely than infectious diseases, not even non-communicable diseases. Here's some statistical perspective on just how ruthless infectious diseases have been. The best estimate we have for the total number of humans killed in wars for the entirety of meat sack history is anywhere from 150 million to 1 billion.

Starting point is 00:00:51 A lot of people, but contagious diseases may have killed over a hundred times that many. While there's no way to prove this was certainty, some historians have estimated that malaria alone may have killed up to half of all of the people who have ever lived, half of all meat sacks. Over the past 52,000 years, some diseases historians have guesstimated that roughly 110 billion meat sacks have walked the earth, which would mean that malaria alone may have killed roughly 55 billion people. Mortality experts are certain that nothing, nothing, has come anywhere fucking close

Starting point is 00:01:28 to killing more humans than infectious diseases. If there were a poster for public enemy, number one for humanity overall, it wouldn't be a picture of a serial killer or a dictator or a weapon, it would be a virus. Historically, the grim reaper's favorite way to harvest souls has been infectious disease. As recently as 1900 infectious diseases such as pneumonia and fluenza, tuberculosis, gastrointestinal infections,

Starting point is 00:01:51 and diphtheria have caused 52.74% of all deaths in the United States. Infectious disease killing even more people than natural causes. And this percentage only grows higher the further you venture back in history. All 10 of the leading causes of death in 1850 infectious disease. But times have changed. Now the top 7 leading causes of death in the United States are heart disease, cancer, unintentional injuries, chronic lower respiratory diseases brought on by environmental factors such as personal vices, such smoking cigarettes, stroke, Alzheimer's, and diabetes. The flu and pneumonia work together to chart out at number eight, rounding out the top 10 or kidney disease and suicide.

Starting point is 00:02:32 Is this because we suddenly have way more heart disease and cancer than we used to? Nope. It's because humanity finally figured out how to fight back against contagious disease with a powerful new weapon. The most important weapon in the most important death match in the history of humankind, the Q-Tip. Q-Tips have saved literally billions of lives since their 16th century debut

Starting point is 00:02:54 by cleaning out the favorite place for lethal viruses and bacteria to enter the body, ear wax, get out of here. Q-Tips haven't saved anyone. They probably punctured an ear drum or two. The vaccine, the vaccine is arguably the most important invention of all time, right up there with antibiotics. Vaccines have been keeping humans alive.

Starting point is 00:03:12 Ever since an English country doctor named Edward Jenner, and notculated an eight-year-old boy named James Phipps with a cowpox virus in 1796. But now, 225 years later, there is a growing movement against arguably the single most important medical breakthrough in all of human history. And people are beginning to needlessly die all over again. And if the anti-vaccination movement continues to grow, these deaths would be just the beginning, just the tip of the death iceberg. Preventable pandemics will once more ravage the human population. And that's why this week, I'm thrown out the most important episode of Time Suck thus far.

Starting point is 00:03:48 If you don't believe in vaccinations, please, just listen to this suck. Listen, listen to this entirety. I don't think you're stupid for being wary of doctors injecting needle after needle into yourself or into your kids, I really don't. I think your concern comes from a fantastic, responsible place.

Starting point is 00:04:04 But after doing a ton of research, I also think it's very, very important for you to let this suck play to the end. If you doubt my info, check out the very thorough episode notes via the time suck app or the time suck website. Click the many, many links. Read more for yourself. Make sure I'm not bullshit in you. And if you still disagree, send in a message to Bojangles at time suckpodcast.com.

Starting point is 00:04:24 Just don't send an message without links to your information and expect me to change my mind. Social media now provides the world with far more unreferenced opinions, unrecerts opinions, presented as fact than anyone has ever needed. And I blame that phenomenon for what seems to be a recent growth of paranoia concerning vaccinations. The anti-vaccination movement, it's interesting association with autism,

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Starting point is 00:07:39 Hopefully put some of the fears that many well-intentioned Carrying parents have to rest about their kids receiving vaccinations, such as vaccinations leading to autism. The only diseases I don't want to be vaccinated against are anything Lucifina wants to give me. I feel like anything I'd catch will be worth it. Hey, Lindsay! I mean, hey, Lucifina. Funny how Lindsay and Lucifina sound pretty similar.

Starting point is 00:08:00 Maybe a psychologist has something to say about that. Who incidents? Get into it. [♪ OUTRO MUSIC PLAYING [♪ Before we get into the deadliest time-soaked timeline yet, this may not be a serial killer suck, but holy shit. A lot of death in today's episode. Let's start by figuring out what a vaccine even is. Vaccines are brain-damaging mind-control elixirs,

Starting point is 00:08:24 first developed by the Rothschilds to collectively lower the IQ of humankind to make it easier for the free mason's the night's Templars and other illuminati run organizations to manipulate and control the earth's poor make vast amounts of wealth off the sweat of the working class and then use that ill gotten well to get away with a systematic and satanic molestation and sacrifice of gory children. No, forgot for a second there that I was trying to present a factual podcast and not sending to direct message to Alex Jones or David Ike. What is a vaccine for real?

Starting point is 00:08:54 Vaccine is a biological preparation that improves immunity to a particular disease. It typically contains an agent that resembles a disease causing microorganism and is in fact often made from weakened or killed forms of that microbe, its toxins or one of its surface proteins. This agent stimulates the body's immune system to recognize the agent as foreign, destroy it, then remember it so that the immune system can more easily recognize and destroy any of those microorganisms

Starting point is 00:09:19 that it later encounters. But our bodies, it really is beyond amazing. What they do and are capable of to try and keep us alive and well. Vaccines when they work correctly prepare your body to fight off a dangerous, potentially fatal invader by attacking you with a similar, but much weaker for an invader. It's like, if you've never been in a fight, some tough guy was coming into your town like in a week to beat your ass.

Starting point is 00:09:42 Probably gonna get your ass beat. But if you prepare for the fight by beating up, you know, like several kids a day, for a whole week, leading up to the tough guy match. Kids who are pretty tough, they're tough for kids, but also small and weak enough for you to confidently whoop. You might be able to handle yourself against a grown-ass man because now you have some battle experience.

Starting point is 00:10:02 Yeah, yeah, yeah, who whoop those little fuckers. Those tough kidasses. That makes sense? I feel like it didn't. It's probably very confusing and unnecessary. I think my initial definition was actually just fine. An effective, forget about the kid's stuff. An effective vaccine can take your odds of catching a highly communicable disease in your area down from over 95% like over a 95% chance of being infected, that's down to like a two to three percent chance to be infected. Also, if you've been vaccinated and still get sick,

Starting point is 00:10:30 it's highly unlikely you'll experience the full severity of the symptoms. Maybe get a bunch of gas, maybe some mild diarrhea instead of, you know, shitting yourself to death. That's a pretty cool additional benefit. Me personally, I don't love having gas, but I do like having gas more than I like shit myself to death. That's just me.

Starting point is 00:10:48 Part of what makes vaccines effective is a concept called herd immunity. Herd immunity is all about beating the shit out of those kids. Packs are hurts of unruly children. And forget about it. I'm done with the kids now for real. Herd immunity occurs when so many people are vaccinated against a certain disease that the germs can't travel as easily from person to person and the entire community.

Starting point is 00:11:08 The entire herd is less likely to get the disease. That is herd immunity. Means that even people in a group who don't get vaccinated will have some protection from getting sick because the disease won't spread to them. If a person does get sick, there's less chance of an outbreak because it's harder for the disease to spread to more people, make sense. The more contagious a disease is, the percentage you need to vaccinate people for herd immunity to be effective to achieve a herd immunity Against measles for example 93 to 95% of the people in a community have to be vaccinated To become an epidemic or pandemic a disease needs to spread to a whole bunch of meat sex. A herd community prevents that. Like if one person gets it, but then the virus can't effectively jump to anyone else

Starting point is 00:11:48 in the immediate vicinity that little virus dies. Even though technically, viruses aren't even classified as alive to begin with, but tomato tomato. I like to pretend that viruses are very alive and sentient and total assholes. They have names like Ned and Clifford, and they have comeovers and wispy moustaches and greasy skin and they're shifty eye little clammy palms. These sketchy little virus assholes need a

Starting point is 00:12:11 host organism cells to replicate or reproduce to stay alive. They can't live long outside their hosts and the virus can't find a new host once their host dies or once they get sneezed out on the ground or whatever then that microscopic ass asshole dies. So fuck you dirty, tiny Ned. You and your sweaty, clammy virus palms. Think of preventing viruses ability to spread in terms of stopping a forest fire. This is my herd immunity analogy. The viruses of the fire, the town or city full of humans or the trees is the forest and vaccines are the flame retardants that that firefighters can spray down the trees with.

Starting point is 00:12:45 And humans who haven't been vaccinated are trees. They're just fucking super dry, right? They haven't been sprayed. They are ready to light the fuck up like a Roman candle. Trees that get the, you know, that fire to burn nice and hot and help it bounce out to other trees. Well, the higher percentage of trees that get sprayed down, trees that can't catch on fire, the harder it is for the fire to spread.

Starting point is 00:13:03 It just makes sense. And the quicker the fire is going to burn out, hail, man, I'm not. I like that analogy. I feel like I did a good job with that one. I feel like that was way better than the kids. I feel like I'm back up to even now, on like analogy, bad and average. I heard immunity. This is why the medical and scientific community, the overwhelming majority of people who

Starting point is 00:13:19 possess a firm understanding of how vaccines work, get worked up and a little, little angry about the anti-vaccination movement. Someone choosing not to vaccinate their children isn't just making a decision that could potentially affect their family. They're making a decision that could potentially affect the entire herd of community. If enough people in a population are not vaccinated,

Starting point is 00:13:37 the disease starts to spread a lot quicker. Now infants, pregnant women, other individuals who immune systems may be compromised, due to some autoimmune disease or whatever, right? Maybe people who aren't eligible to receive vaccines for whatever reason. Now they're also, you know, have much, much, much higher odds to be exposed to this disease, much higher odds to dying. You know, if enough people aren't immunized, the disease just perpetually also hovers around,

Starting point is 00:14:01 keeps infection people over and over again. And if since vaccinations don't prevent everyone who gets them from getting sick, if an epidemic breaks out, some people who did get vaccinated will get sick and will die because the disease spread and made it to them because others did not get vaccinated. This is another reason many people, including myself, are worried about this issue. I don't want my kids dying as a direct result of a choice that you made for your kids. I think it's a fair concern. It feels very fair.

Starting point is 00:14:29 A big question for many of the anti-vax world is if we wiped out diseases through vaccinating enough of the population, doesn't that mean we can just stop getting immunized? Why are we still getting these, you know, vaccinations? It does mean that. We can get stopped. If it is, or we can't stop getting certain vaccinations, and we have, right, that's exactly what happened with smallpox, routine vaccination for that disease in the US. It went away in 1972. The same year was declared eradicated in the US. So we're not still getting vaccinations for diseases we don't have to worry about. The

Starting point is 00:14:57 last known case, the smallpox infected human being in the world happened in 1977 in Somalia. And then the World Health Organization declared the disease globally eradicated in 1980. Quick, scary random nut on smallpox. The virus does still exist, but only in two laboratories that we know of. Samples of the virus are held in the vector lab in Siberia, and also at the CDC, the Centers for Disease Control in Atlanta. Why? Well, it feels a little cold-worry to me. But also, it's just so, if this disease were to pop up again, like if there was a bioterrorism attack, vaccines would need to be quickly distributed to prevent possibly hundreds of millions of deaths. We'd something to study this disease. That's why they

Starting point is 00:15:36 theoretically keep these diseases in these places. Man, possibility of bioterrorism, terrorism, another reason vaccines are so important. I mean, pretty scary that theoretically, if someone could get a hold of, let's say, those viruses and those labs, holy shit, they could wreak an ungodly amount of havoc on the world's population if there was no vaccinations. Another big question from the anti-vax side of the aisle is, why are US doctors still recommending that babies be vaccinated for diseases? No one gets in the United States like polio, which the CDC recommends you have your child

Starting point is 00:16:03 vaccinated against between one and two months old. And here's the answer, CDC scientists hate your fucking baby. Wake up, sheeple. The CDC is employed by nothing but evil baby hating lizard goblins. There is no vaccine against polio, sheeple. It's not real. They're pumping your baby full of a gen to 21 sterilization serum and MK ultra mind control potions. Okay, put your head at an uncle Sam's ass, wake up and smell the new world order. No, here's the real answer. Just because the disease has been eradicated in the US, like polio, that doesn't mean it's been eradicated in nations that people who either live in the US or travel to and from the US regularly, you know, like that it's eradicated everywhere.

Starting point is 00:16:42 It's possible for travelers to bring the disease back home. And if the disease makes it to a home where there's no herd immunity, well, then it's eradicated everywhere. It's possible for travelers to bring the disease back home. And if the disease makes it to a home where there's no herd immunity, well, then it's going to be a fucking virus forest fire to use that analogy again. So hopefully that all makes sense. I got to be honest, it wasn't easy remembering what to do to the clokes. The last Bohemian grow child sacrifice to Hannah Gathering meeting told me to make up and tell you it is. Oh, hey, joke, could you cut that part out,

Starting point is 00:17:05 the part where I was just being honest for the first time about who I really am? Yeah, yeah, I don't want people to know what my real intentions are. Okay, now let's address what seems to be the main trigger word in the anti-vaccination debate. Hang nails. Yep, we're gonna go there, right?

Starting point is 00:17:20 I don't care. You send in your messages, send in your emails, get pissed, I don't care. I'm gonna talk about hang nails. Most people who are upset about vaccinations are upset because there's a lot of pseudoscience out there linking vaccinations to hang nails and People understandably like why should I inoculated my kid against the disease of my kiln? You know if he cashed it when that inoculation is gonna get my sweet baby Tim Tam pretty painful. I hear you hang now Of course, that's nonsense. Autism. Autism is the main buzzword in the anti-vaccination debate.

Starting point is 00:17:48 Autism has been linked to vaccinations time and time again by various celebrities, most notably. The main one being Jenny McCarthy, kind of become the face of the anti-vax movement. Jenny McCarthy has an autistic son. Oh, Jenny, I used to have a poster of Jenny McCarthy on my college dorm room wall. Hail, I'll lose to Fina. I want to say that Jenny McCarthy was one of the most attractive women on this planet.

Starting point is 00:18:09 Still thinks she's physically stunning, but not attractive to me at all anymore, truly, because of the words that come out of her mouth. Jenny's a former MTV game show host model actress, 1993 Playboy, playmate of the year, one time married to superstar actor Jim Carey himself. He has also come out as anti-vax in May of 2007. McCarthy announced that her son, Evan, was diagnosed with autism in 2005. She began working as a spokesperson for talk, uh, for talk about curing autism in 2007, and her book, Loud of the Words, A Mother's Journey in Healing Autism, was published in

Starting point is 00:18:40 September of that year. So great intentions, uh, concern parent. I love that part about her. Uh, very concerned mother worried about her son. Also somebody who maybe isn't great at critical thinking, maybe, maybe isn't great at, you know, looking at science versus pseudoscience. In 2008, she appeared on a Larry King live special, which was dedicated to the subject of vaccines and autism. She claimed that vaccines were responsible for her son's autism, which is unfortunate, because she doesn't have any science to back up that claim

Starting point is 00:19:09 because there isn't any. We're gonna get into that in depth later in this podcast. Jenny's saying that saying that, and saying that other anti-vaxx things over the years is really unfortunate because her stance has led to a lot of parents not vaccinating their kids, and that is why a lot of people really hate Jenny McCarthy. There is actually a website called Jenny McCarthy Body Count dot com.

Starting point is 00:19:30 Instead of getting into how much blood the website host thinks is on Jenny's hands, and she is at least partially responsible for people dying of contagious diseases because they chose to not get vaccinated based on her promotion of anti vaccination ideology. And I gotta say they're not wrong, in my opinion. Later in 2014, Jenny did say, I'm not anti-vaccine. I mean, this gray zone of, I think everyone should be aware and educate yourself and ask questions. Okay. And if your kid is having a problem, ask your doctor for an alternative way of doing the shots. Nothing has ever linked a way of doing shots to autism. Interesting to me how she asked others to educate themselves while on the same sentence, you know, promoting a fear of doctor administrator

Starting point is 00:20:10 administered immunizations that has no basis in anything documented. Jenny also once said if you ask, this one kills me. She said, if you ask a parent of an autistic child if they want the measles or autism, we will stand in line for the fucking measles. Fucking what? Jenny seems to have forgot that before the measles vaccine, one on the market in 1963, hundreds of kids died from measles every year in the US. Shells doesn't understand that globally,

Starting point is 00:20:36 it's still one of the leading causes of infant mortality. Weird that she wants to stand in line for something that for sure kills, instead of standing in line for something that for sure does not. It's almost like she doesn't know what the fact she's talking about. But here's another fun quote from Jamie Garthy. If the vaccine companies are not listening to us, it's their fucking fault the diseases are coming back. They're making a product that's shit. If you give us a safe vaccine, we'll use it. It shouldn't be polio versus autism. It's not not polio versus

Starting point is 00:21:06 autism. There's literally no link between the two. Some studies did attempt to link to two and I will go over the most off-sided anti-vax study soon and show how shady and terrible that study was. McCarthy also claimed in 2008 that she cured her son of autism with the help of a gluten-free diet. So that should put a little kind of chink in the armor of her medical credibility. You know what, though? I mean, I guess, to be fair, maybe I can't argue with it. I mean, to be fair, there's never been a formal study done regarding curing autism by taking away gluten.

Starting point is 00:21:40 So, in that sense, maybe it works. I mean, there's also never been a study regarding curing autism by witchcraft. So maybe that works too. No one's tried curing autism by holding a large crystal in each hand and doing some yoga poses at the top of Mount Shasta. So maybe that works.

Starting point is 00:21:58 No one's tried curing autism by eating a thousand Reese's pieces. Reese's the day for two years in a row. So maybe that works. I've had invented some new candy that rags gonna say like rice, these are pice, maybe slow roast in your gendels and crock pot while screaming the word autism works.

Starting point is 00:22:12 Oh, just a minute. Oh, just a minute. Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, maybe that works. That there's never been a study to done on that exact thing. So you know, there's a lot of studies that haven't been done regarding what could work.

Starting point is 00:22:23 Maybe all the sarcasm, I was just throwing out works. More and more politicians, mostly the state legislature level have also begun to publicly oppose any legislature that hints at mandatory vaccinations. Some of them have also expressed concern that various chemicals present in vaccinations are behind a recent rise in autism, even though we'll address that too. No science behind that. Kentucky governor Matt Bevan, prominent politician who is adamantly against mandatory vaccinations,

Starting point is 00:22:47 arguing that would be an assault against personal freedom. And look, I'm a pro-freedom kind of guy. I enjoy it. I don't like being told what to do. At all, hate it in fact. To the point that a zombie apocalypse actually sounds kind of fun to me in moments. I mean, sure, getting eaten by zombies would suck,

Starting point is 00:23:03 but having no government around, you know, and getting to shoot zombies in their zombie fucking heads, that sounds exciting and fun. However, in more rational moments, I realize laws keep me and my family safe. I rationally understand that freedom also has limits. And I think should your freedom allow you to endanger the lives of your neighbors and other kids at your children's schools. Like here's the thing with the whole personal freedom and fringe and argument anti-vaxxers like to make concerning mandatory vaccinations. We're already not free to do whatever we want. Not without possible legal consequences.

Starting point is 00:23:35 As a parent, you're already not free to beat your kids within an inch of their lives. Might be fun to fantasize about sometimes, but it's also illegal. So why should you be free to carelessly risk the lives of other people's kids? If you have a solid logical answer for that question, by the way, I'd love to hear it. But when you answer it, you have to acknowledge, if you want me to take it seriously, that we're already not free to do whatever we want. You're not free to let your kids drink alcohol or smoke cigarettes when they're 10 years old.

Starting point is 00:24:00 The government already says, you can't do that legally. You will get in trouble if we catch you doing that thing, we told you not to do. So the whole slippery slope argument of, well, if we let the government tell us, you know, we have to vaccinate our kids, that's just going to open the gates to them, tell us to do all kinds of other stuff and take away all kinds of freedoms. The gates are already fucking open. It's always been open. The government already regulates freedom.

Starting point is 00:24:22 They already regulate parental rights. It's a nonsense argument. All right, let's address another concern of the anti-vaccination crowd. Is there a direct proven link between vaccinations and increased rates of autism over the last decades? No, in a word, no. And autism rates may not even be rising.

Starting point is 00:24:40 More on that later, it has some interesting food for thought there. Two studies have been cited by those claiming that the MMR vaccine causes autism. Both studies are critically flawed. We'll discuss one of these studies, the most often cited one in depth soon. Before we do, let's first answer the question, what even is autism? Well, frankly, autism is tough to define. Losely, it's a mental disorder, a present from early childhood, which causes people to have

Starting point is 00:25:02 considerable difficulties in socializing, communicating, and forming relationships. It affects people differently. It affects some people much, much more severely than others. How long has it been around? Autism does not show up until 1981. That year, five kids in the U.S. were diagnosed as having autism. Just four years later, after a 500% rise in vaccinations, over 700,000 kids were diagnosed as autistic. after a 500% rise in vaccinations over 700,000 kids were diagnosed as autistic. By 1990, after several new vaccinations, I've been introduced roughly 10 million kids in the US alone were labeled autistic. Now, that is some terrifying exponential acceleration and a startling correlation. I will admit that.

Starting point is 00:25:38 By 2000, after seven more vaccinations hit the market, a preposterous 53 million Americans were autistic autistic and the most recent stats were the scariest of all. In 2016, 400 million Americans were diagnosed with autism, which is fucking crazy because the entire population of the US was 323 million in 2016. And that's why people are worried. I get that. I mean, you have to admit it's concerning that there's more people with autism than there

Starting point is 00:26:04 are even people alive right now. And obviously, I'm being absurd, but that's how some people seem to portray a recent rise in autism. If there are even as a rise, and again, I'll explain that shortly, the CDC estimates that one in 68 children in the US currently have autism, one in 42 boys, one in 189 girls, winded autism really first show up. We have absolutely no idea. We do know that autism was first used as a diagnostic term in a very specific way. In 1943, Dr. Leo Canner used the term to diagnose a social and emotional disorder.

Starting point is 00:26:35 Previous observations of patients with symptoms of autism led psychiatrist to diagnosis, yeah, a diagnosis, counting, a diagnosis. There we go. I was schizophrenia. and prior to that, people suffering from a variety of mental disorders were called things like feeble-minded, or you know, just like weird or whatever.

Starting point is 00:26:51 You have to remember, when people talk about autism being a new phenomenon, that's not necessarily true because the diagnosing of psychiatric illnesses and the diagnosing of cognitive disabilities is a very new phenomenon. For all we know, autism has always been there. We just never had the term for it or the knowledge of how to correctly identify it

Starting point is 00:27:09 until recently. And we did a suck, you know, early on about, you know, early mental health facilities where people could get thrown in for having different political opinions. Like the study of mental illness and the study of cognitive disabilities, very, very new. Going back to my vague definition of autism for a moment, a big problem with diagnosing autism

Starting point is 00:27:29 is that there are so many different kinds of it. Autism is complex. It's not even technically called autism anymore. It's autism spectrum disorder. Autism encompasses an entire spectrum of disorders. It's really an umbrella term for someone suffering from social communication difficulties. Someone who usually has unusually narrow interests, who usually displays strong repetitive behavior. Sometimes, some of these symptoms, it has what is known as Asperger's

Starting point is 00:27:55 syndrome, which does land along the autistic spectrum. The key difference between autism and Asperger's syndrome, since I brought that up, is that an autism, a child will learn how to talk at a very late stage, often saying no words before the age of two, the child may have learning difficulties with a below average IQ, developmental delay, in contrast in Asperger syndrome, children will talk on time and have no learning difficulties,

Starting point is 00:28:17 although they will still find socializing, very challenging and often be obsessed with narrow kind of topics of interest. I mean, do you see how difficult it must be to decide what causes something when that something is so tricky to even define? Something that expresses itself in so many different ways. I mean, autism is similar to cancer that way. What causes cancer?

Starting point is 00:28:35 Well, depends on what kind of cancer you're talking about. There's a lot of different kinds of cancer. Cancer takes on different forms, some more debilitating than others, similar with autism. Some people who are artistic will have great jobs. Get married, raise kids, lead happy and productive lives. Others will need full-time care their whole lives and never be able to function independently. So what causes autism, we don't fucking know. That's the real answer. A lot of research is being done to find out. Research suggests that autism develops from a combination of genetic and non-genetic or environmental influences that can increase the risk, a child will develop autism.

Starting point is 00:29:09 However, increased risk is not the same as cause. For example, some gene changes associated with autism can also be found in people who don't have the disorder. Similarly, not everyone exposed to an environmental risk factor for autism will develop the disorder. In fact, most will not. Research tells us that autism tends to run in families. Changes in certain genes increase the risk that a child will develop autism. If a parent carries one or more of these gene changes, they may get passed to a child

Starting point is 00:29:34 even if the parent does not have autism. Other times, each genetic changes arise spontaneously in an early embryo or the sperm and or egg that combine to create the embryo. Again, the majority of these gene changes do not cause autism by themselves. They just increase risk for the disorder. Advanced parental age appears to be a factor in being born with autism. Having your first child in both you and your partner or over the age of 35 makes you three times as likely

Starting point is 00:29:57 to have an autism child than someone between the ages of 2034. Also having a second child less than a year after having the previous child increases the second child's risk of developing autism, maternal illness during pregnancy, extreme pre-maturedity, very low birth weight, certain difficulties during birth contribute particularly those involving periods of oxygen deprivation to the baby's brain. These factors may contribute to autism,

Starting point is 00:30:21 mothers exposed to high levels of pesticides and air pollution, maybe a higher risk of having a child with autism spectrum disorder. Small but growing body of research suggested autism risk is less among children whose mothers took prenatal vitamins, specifically ones containing folic acid, and the months before and after conception. Mercury exposure, however, while often linked to autism in the court of public opinion, has not been linked to autism in any properly of public opinion has not been linked to autism in any properly conducted study. Basically, there's still a lot to be learned when it comes to understanding autism or autistic

Starting point is 00:30:51 spectrum disorder. What science has determined so far, though, is that autism and vaccines do not appear to be related at all, at all. Think about how hard this link would be to prove. I mean, if you're not going to give vaccinated because you're worried that vaccinations cause autism because vaccinations put foreign substances like mercury and aluminum, you know, the harmful and large quantities into your body, then you should also stop breathing and eating. Breathing and eating puts substances like mercury in your body, fucking walking around

Starting point is 00:31:16 on the earth, put these substances in your body, you know. So, so what's the one I'm driving at? Even if mercury did cause autism, which it doesn't. Vaccinations are not the place where we even get most of our Mercury. Most of it just comes through just living our lives. Okay, now back, and I'll talk about that a little bit more to. Now back to exploring the supposed rise of autism. Our rates of autism increasing.

Starting point is 00:31:39 This is a real fear among certain anti-vaxxers that arise in autism as coincided directly with the rise in vaccines. Well, first off, correlation does not imply causation. Two things happening at the same time, doesn't mean that one thing happening is affecting the other thing or causing the other thing to happen. For example, let's say you started doing more jumping jacks in late 2018 around the same time young American singer-songwriter Billy Eilish started to become super famous.

Starting point is 00:32:06 And as you started doing more and more jumping jacks, each day, Billy Eilish became more and more famous. That doesn't mean that your jumping jacks caused Billy Eilish to become famous, you delusional fucking maniac. Then there's a debate over whether or not autism is actually increasing at all. It might not be. Something is just being diagnosed more often. The number is very wildly from country to country, state to state, regarding the possible rise in autism. Here's an example of what I'm talking about. The prevalence of autism increased in the state of California

Starting point is 00:32:34 from 0.6 cases per 1,000 births in 9.75 to 4.1 cases per 1,000 births in 2007 or did it. This spike in cases occurred almost entirely in affluent areas. Less affluent areas to not see this jump. So were there more autistic kids being born, or was there just a growing awareness of the disorder amongst doctors in affluent areas, which influenced the chances of a child receiving an autistic diagnosis? Some people think that changing diagnostics have led to a larger rise in autism and that

Starting point is 00:33:07 the disorder is not becoming more prevalent. The American Psychiatric Association changes diagnostic criteria for autism with the DSM-3 published in 1980. After the diagnostic criteria became more specific, autism was diagnosed much more frequently. People had a fucking word for it now, right? Or, you know, they had the word before, but now they have, you know, an easier way to identify what this word means. And as more doctors became familiar with the new criteria, the diagnosis became, of course,

Starting point is 00:33:32 more prevalent. So again, when people point to a recent rise in autism, that might not be true. There may just be a rise in diagnosed autism. Do you see how complicated all this is? And the more complicated it is, the harder it is going to be to prove a cause and effect relationship between autism and vaccines, or frankly, between autism and any other single cause.

Starting point is 00:33:54 Now let's look at those studies I mentioned that did seem to prove a link between autism and vaccines. Studies that are frequently used as proof by the anti-vaccine crowd, and proof that their arguments are backed up by science. The whole MMR vaccine controversy began with a publication of a research paper in 1998. The paper written by a group led by Andrew Wakefield was published in a respected British medical journal called the Lancet.

Starting point is 00:34:16 The paper reported on 12 children with developmental disorders in the Royal Free Hospital in Hamstead in North London. The parents or physicians of eight of the children were said to have linked the behavioral symptoms with the MMR vaccination. The parents purportedly said that the symptoms of autism has set in within days of their children's vaccinations at 14 months old. Q panic. Meanwhile in America, a ferocious anti-vaccine movement took off after wakefield toward US autism conferences, including speaking at a 1998 conference for defeat autism now. And in November 2000, appeared on the CBS network 60 Minus Program,

Starting point is 00:34:53 linking MMR with what he called, quote, an epidemic of autism, Q massive panic. This one motherfucker, single handedly kicked off the current anti-vaccination, you know, scare, or maybe because vaccinations give kids autism kind of movement. Then Jenny McCarthy and other celebrities took his fault to research, spread it to the masses, and well, here we are now.

Starting point is 00:35:16 Here I am covering this topic. Why do I call Wakefield a motherfucker? Why do I say his research was faulty? Because I met him in a bar one time in 2002 in Isqu's quite Washington. Now look at this, check this out. I had quarters on the side of the pool table. So I, you know, I could play next.

Starting point is 00:35:30 That's how you do it. And I was grabbing a beer and he just ignored them. He ignored the quarters and sort of racked up some balls. You know, like he was gonna play. And I was like, hey bro, my quarters, dude, on the side of the table was fuck. I had next. I had next, next. Next. And he was like, oh, next. I had next, next.

Starting point is 00:35:47 And he was like, oh, sorry, I didn't see him, I apologize, go ahead and play my bad. And he might think, what's wrong with that? You know, he did the right thing, he handled that well. No, he didn't. It was a way he said it. It made the whole thing fucked up. It was like his tone.

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Starting point is 00:36:53 Also proven that wake field manipulated the data in his 1998 paper linking the MMR vaccine to autism. Right. This is this very unethical. May of 2010, wake field was found guilty by the general medical council of serious professional misconduct banned from the medical register meaning he can no longer practice medicine the u.k. sadly he can keep running his stupid fucking mouth and stoking anti-vax fires this dangerous false information quack pieces shit is now based in austin texas

Starting point is 00:37:21 he's doubled down on the same anti-vax bullshit that cost him his medical license in the first place. 2017 Wakefield was directly linked to an outbreak of measles among the Somali American community in Minnesota, in which 79 people were infected. The vast majority of which were children at the age of 10, this came just after he visited and shared his views with them. The vaccination rate among that group of Minneapolis

Starting point is 00:37:42 fell from 92% to 40%. He scared them that bad. The outbreak was the largest measles outbreak in Minnesota since 1990 when 460 people became ill and three people died. Wake Phil also been associated with a drop off in vaccination rates in the area of Texas where he lives. All right, now there was a lot of info, but I felt like it was all necessary. We now know what a vaccine is, why we need them.

Starting point is 00:38:07 We now address a lot of concerns of the anti-vaccination community. I mean, there's way too many to address all of them here. I know not all of them are linked with autism, but a lot of them are linked with autism. We'll address a few more concerns when I sum up this episode after today's timeline. We've also laid out how complex autism aspect from this disorder is, how it's still not fully understood. Yeah, we was actually just talking right before recording this about how Asperger, as we mentioned, is not even, that's not even diagnosed anymore. That's just a recent change.

Starting point is 00:38:35 It's still a commonly used term. It's all changing so fast. So very hard to figure out, you know, one single factor that is causing this thing, we still don't really understand very well. Okay, now let's really hammer home exactly why we need vaccinations. Death. So much infectious disease. Death.

Starting point is 00:38:55 Deaths we've only recently been able to fight back against using modern antibiotics, other medical treatments and vaccinations. When something is no longer a threat, we tend to forget about it. Meatzacks have short memories in a lot of ways, which is part of why history does repeat itself over and over. We have an anti-vax movement because vaccinations have been successful. Isn't that ironic? If vaccinations hadn't been invented, as they didn't work, there would be no opposition to them. There would just be, please God, figure out how to keep yourself and constantly dying. Smallpox is wife got had my fucking family.

Starting point is 00:39:25 I don't wanna lose a few relatives I have left. Please help us. That's how things used to be. Then doctors answered people's cries for help, and now doctors are being blamed for autism. In so many ways, we are a fucking crazy, logical species. Let's fight against illogical behavior

Starting point is 00:39:39 by going through some important numbers and dates. Let's remind ourselves why vaccines were created in the first place. Let's take a stroll through what life was like before vaccines. Spoiler alert wasn't good. Let's look at the history of infectious diseases, fucking obliterating us. Time and time again and today's time stick timeline, right after, it worked from today's sponsor.

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Starting point is 00:43:18 Let's head into today's disease riddled time suck timeline to explore not just some of the disease that wipes out a preposterous amount of me's acts, some of the disease is, but also explore the history of vaccinations. Shrap on those boot soldier. We're marching down a time suck timeline. The earliest recorded pandemic happened during the Peloponnesian War in 430 BCE after the disease passed through Libya, Ethiopia and Egypt, across the Athenian walls as the Spartans laid siege and up to two-thirds of the local population died.

Starting point is 00:43:58 The symptoms included fever, thirst, bloody throat and tongue, red skin and lesions. The disease suspected to have been typhoid fever weakened the Athenian significantly was a significant factor in their defeat by the Spartans. Now there is a vaccine for typhoid fever. Thank God. I have very little interest in having a bloody tongue or skin lesions. I don't enjoy them. I don't.

Starting point is 00:44:20 If you do, where, that's your thing. The anti-mplague in 165 CE was possibly an early appearance of smallpox that began with the Huns. The Huns then infected the Germans who passed into the Romans, then the returning troops spread it throughout the Roman Empire. Symptoms included fever, sore throat, diarrhea, and it's a patient lived long enough pus-filled source. No make use, duh.

Starting point is 00:44:41 I like pus-filled source, even less than I like lesions. I don't care how many pro- like plusfield sores, even less than I like lesions. I don't care how many pro plus people that pisses off. This play continued until about 180 CE, claiming Emperor Marcus Aurelius is one of his victims. Smallpox was later, as we learned earlier, successfully eradicated through vaccinations that led to effective herd immunity against a shitty disease. Damn you tiny assholes, Ned and Clifford, you and your wispy virus must ashes. Now we have, uh, named after the first known victim, the Christian Bishop of Carthage, the Cyprian Plague, of 250 CE, it entailed diarrhea, vomiting, throat ulcers, fever,

Starting point is 00:45:15 gangrenous hands and feet, what? No, thank you very much. That's when you're having a real humdinger of a week. When you have bleeding sores in your throat and a fever, and you're just gonna real humdinger of a week. You have bleeding sores in your throat and a fever. And you're just going up constantly and shitting yourself and your hands and feet are rotting off of your body while you're still alive. Listen, if my hands and feet start to rot off my body

Starting point is 00:45:35 while I am still alive, I'm a skip time-soaked for a week, right? I know that sounds like you know how to have the right priorities. But if my hands start to rot off, I'm going to take a little break from doing this. You know, I'm gonna take a little sick vacation due to a terrible case of the whoopsie daisies. The cause of thoughts to be their smallpox

Starting point is 00:45:52 with a babonic plague of this horrible flixion, there's now a vaccine for a babonic plague just like there is for smallpox. First appearing in Egypt, the Justinian plague spread through Palestine and the Byzantine Empire and 541 CE, then throughout the Mediterranean. The plague chained the course of the empire, squelching Emperor Justinian's plans to bring

Starting point is 00:46:11 the Roman Empire back together and causing massive economic struggle. People all across the empire reported the plague being a real bummer. It's also credited with creating an apocalyptic atmosphere that spurred the rapid spread of early Christianity. Recurrences over the plague the next two centuries eventually killed about 50 million people, 26% of the world's population of the time. The bubonic plague that bad boy we did a whole suck on was responsible for this monster. Around 1000 CE, the Chinese employed smallpox inoculation or very, very- very- very- very- very

Starting point is 00:46:42 relation is early as 1000 CE. It was- it was practiced in Africa and Turkey as well before it spread to Europe and the Americas. Variation was the deliberate inoculation of an uninfected person with a smallpox virus. Usually via dried smallpox scaves being blown into the nose of an individual who then contracted a mild form of the disease upon recovery. The individual was immune to smallpox, between one to two percent of those varulated died compared to 30% who died when they contracted the disease naturally.

Starting point is 00:47:11 Man, the Chinese way ahead of their time with medicine. And the invent of the vaccine before it was called a vaccine, gotta do some Chinese sucks, gotta do more Asian sucks. I don't know nearly enough about Asian histories I would like to. Though it had been around for ages, leprosy grew into a pandemic in Europe and the Middle Ages, resulting in the building of numerous leprosy-focused hospitals to accommodate the vast number of victims in the 11th century CE, a slow developing bacterial disease that causes sores and deformities.

Starting point is 00:47:37 Leprosy was believed to be a punishment from God. This belief led to victims being judged and ostracized, so that's super fun. Your skin's rotten off your body. Science hasn't evolved to the point where doctors can help you and everyone thinks you deserve it. If you didn't want your nose to rot, your face, you shouldn't have covered it, your neighbor's wife, Azamakaya. Now, notice Hanson's disease. Leprecy still afflicts tens of thousands of people a year and can be fatal if treated with antibiotics. Most Americans who do catch leprosy now. It's very rare catch from armadillos. I shit you not. How where is that? What Jesse Doughbner told me that I thought he was fucking with me until I looked up and you know looked into it Damn you armadillo lepros

Starting point is 00:48:17 curse you armadillo lepros Vaccine for leprosy still being worked on since the disease is still killing meat sacks around the world uh... vaccine for leprosy still been worked on since the disease is still killing meets acts around the world via starfield enough that like you have enough sadness in your life right now do a google image search for handsome disease victims holy shit and all likelihood it will be way harder for you to feel sorry for yourself after seeing with these poor curse people go through that i can picture right now

Starting point is 00:48:38 that like burn in my brain these pictures people with a part of their faces literally rotted off fingers gone sometimes entire hands gone ears their faces literally rotted off, fingers gone, sometimes entire hands gone, ears gone. Sometimes eyes rotted out. Still alive. Not trying to be cowls when I say this, but some of these people who are somehow still alive, they look like zombies in the walking dead, but they have no makeup on. I mean, Nimrod guide you scientists in killing those disgusting little leprosy bacteria and mother fuckers causing so many people so much pain. Responsible for the death of one third of the world's population, a second appearance

Starting point is 00:49:08 of the babonic plague, possibly starts in Asia and moves west and caravans in the mid-14th century. We now have a plague vaccine. Can you imagine if a disease killed a third of the world's population now, or even a quarter, or a fifth, even 10 percent, 10 percent would be 753 million people dead. That would be everyone who lives in United States, Canada, Mexico, the UK, Sweden, Australia, New Zealand, Germany, France, Ireland, combined, all dead. And if a disease killed the same percentage as the bribonic plague, over three times that many dead infectious disease man the undisputed

Starting point is 00:49:45 heavyweight champion of the death world. Now let's jump to the 15th century for you know more death. Following the arrival of the Spanish and the Caribbean and 1492, your parents passed along disease such as smallpox, measles, and bribonic plague to native populations who had no natural resistance and it decimated them. If only vaccines had existed for American Indians, the world map might look a lot differently today. This new disease killed up to 90% up to 90% of the native population of the Americas.

Starting point is 00:50:13 Oh, I mean, if there was a written history, that written history would be far darker than even like the black death in Europe. There was now a vaccine for measles. The controversial MMR vaccine is a vaccine for measles that we'll cover later in this timeline. In 1578, a whooping cough epidemic hits Paris. We now have a vaccine for the whooping cough. Before the whooping cough vaccine was recommended for all infants, about 8,000, you know, people in the United States died each year, mostly babies. So not fun. In 1613, Diferia hit Spain. It was known as El Anno de los guerroteos.

Starting point is 00:50:42 In 1613, Diff theory hit Spain. It was known as El Anio de los Getotíos, the year of the strangulations. What a fucking terrible year. Well, how was your year last year? Oh, not good. A lot of strangulations, way more strangulations has helped before going into the year. We don't have a reliable death toll for numbers

Starting point is 00:50:58 for this epidemic, but with much more recent numbers. The United States recorded 206,000 cases of Diff theory in 1921, over 15,000 dead. Before there was treatment for diphtheria, up to half the people who got the disease did die from it. There are now currently four different vaccines that treat diphtheria. In 1633, smallpox epidemic, kits, Massachusetts, affecting sellers and American Indians among the casualties were 20 sellers from the Mayflower, including their only physician. Think about how much that used to suck.

Starting point is 00:51:26 When you had one doctor in your entire town or colony, then an epidemic hits and the doctor dies. You can't go anywhere else. There's nobody else around. Now you have to rely on someone even less qualified than the guy whose main medical treatment involved. Whiskey, not in the, cha! Flock life before urgent care.

Starting point is 00:51:43 Go ahead, go ahead and build a time machine. I'm not getting it. I'm not getting it. I'm not getting it unless it's only set for the future. No, thank you. I'm heading back to the land of no convenient medical treatment. When Chinese emperor, Fulin dies of smallpox and 1661, his third son becomes emperor,

Starting point is 00:51:59 emperor, Kaeng, or Kang. Having already survived the case of smallpox before he became emperor, he eventually supported an occupation. He wrote about it in a letter to his descendants writing, the method of inoculation, having been brought to light during my reign, I had it used upon you, my sons and daughters, and my descendants, and you all passed through the smallpox in the happiest possible manner.

Starting point is 00:52:20 In the beginning, when I had it tested on one or two people, some old women taxed me with extravagance and spoke very strongly against inoculation. The courage which I summoned up to insist on in practice has saved the lives and health of millions of men. This is an extremely important thing of which I'm very proud. How fucking cool is that? 17th century emperor fighting anti-vaxxers in 1661 and saving lives and being aware of it. Man, the battle of opposing beliefs has been fought since long before the Jenny McCarthy area,

Starting point is 00:52:51 our Jenny McCarthy era, which is not an era. Thank God. That would be terrible if we lived during the Jenny McCarthy era. In its second recorded appearance in 1665, the bubonic plague leads to the deaths of 20% of London's population. As human death tolls mount and mass graves appear, hundreds of thousands of cats and dogs are slaughtered as the possible cause. What a terrible place in time to be alive. Roughly one in five die and then everyone's pets are also slaughtered. I be, oh my god, I be hiding a shit. Penny Pooper and Ginger Bell, if local health officials were rounding up pets for slaughter.

Starting point is 00:53:22 What is wrong with me even thinking? I become so numb towards historical human death. Yet the detail of hundreds of thousands of cats and dogs being slaughtered really bothers me. Save them both jangles. Get the people to but only Thursday first the pets, first the fur babies in 1679, a French court court here describes the effects of smallpox on the Iroquois, terming it the Indian plague saying the smallpox

Starting point is 00:53:45 desulates them to such a degree that they think no longer of meeting nor of wars, but only of bewailing the dead of whom there is already an immense number. So that's, that sounds terrible. Queen Mary II of England, age 32, dies in 1694 of Veriola. Hemorrhag, hemorrhagica, ah, fuck, Hemorrhagica, hemorrhagika, I think I nailed it. I'm feeling proud of myself.

Starting point is 00:54:09 Veriola, Hemorrhagika, did it! It's a terrible variation of smallpox in which bleeding occurs into the postules as well as from other body services and internally sounds a little Ebola-like. Don't like it. Possibly my worst nightmare when it comes to infection disease is just bleeding out from various parts of my body. No, thank you. Thomas Babington, McColley, would write about smallpox and Queen Mary the second in the history

Starting point is 00:54:31 of England from the acession, from the acession of James II writing, the havoc of the plague had been far more rapid, but the plague had visited our shores only once or twice within living memory. And the smallpox was always present filling the church yards with corpses, tormenting with constant fears, all whom it had not yet stricken, leaving on those whose lives it spared the hideous traces of its power,

Starting point is 00:54:53 turning the babe into a changeling at which the mother shuttered and making the eyes and cheeks of the betrothed maiden objects of horror to their lover. Toward the end of the year 1694. This pestilence was more than usually severe at length. The infection spread to the palace and reached the young and blooming queen. So yeah, just fucking killing lots of people scarring the shit out a lot of people and 1699

Starting point is 00:55:17 Charleston and Philadelphia. So for the first confirmed yellow fever outbreaks in the American colonies, the death tolls in both cities were terribly high. Life came to nearly a standstill, a quaker in Philadelphia wrote, In this distemper had died six, seven, and sometimes eight in a day. For several weeks, there being few houses, if any, free of the sickness. Great was the fear that fell on all flesh. He saw no lofty or airy condenses, nor heard at any vain gesting to move men to laughter.

Starting point is 00:55:43 But every face gathered paleness, and many hearts were humbled, and continences fallen and sunk as such that waited every moment to be summoned to the bar and numbered to the grave. Thank God we now have a vaccine against yellow fever.

Starting point is 00:55:57 Cotton Mathur, a Boston minister received gifts in 1706 of Libyan born slave named Onisimus, who bore a scar from smallpox burial very o-lation in Africa, very o-lation. Matheter inquired amongst other slaves and found that many had been burulated and thought themselves immune to the disease.

Starting point is 00:56:14 Man, first in Chinese, now the Africans, Europeans, Americans, little slow to come to the vaccination table. Matheter would promote the practice in Massachusetts. Sadly, Matheter himself was too slow to adopt this early form of vaccinating, and in 1713, a measles epidemic broke out, killed his wife, his newborn twins, another daughter, and the families made within a few weeks. In 1718, Lady Mary Wartley Montague has her son, Vary related, and consented noble by Dr. Charles Madeland.

Starting point is 00:56:42 Lady Montague, whose husband was ambassador to Turkey, had been disfigured by smallpox around 1715. She heard about variation upon her rival in Turkey, and was anxious that her six-year-old son Edward had the procedure, and he did have the procedure and never contracted the disease himself. In 1717, she wrote to a friend, I'm going to tell you a thing that I am sure will make you wish yourself here.

Starting point is 00:57:01 The smallpox so fatal and so general amongst us is here entirely harmless, by the invention of ingrafting, which is the term they give it. There is a set of old women who make it their business to perform the operation every autumn. The old woman comes with a nutshell full of the matter of the best sort of smallpox and asks what veins you please to have opened.

Starting point is 00:57:21 She immediately rips open that you offer her with a large needle and puts into the vein as much venom as can lie upon the head of her needle. Every year, thousands undergo this operation. There is no example of anyone that has died in it, and you may believe I am well satisfied with the safety of the experiment. I am patriot enough to take pains to bring this useful invention into fashion in England, and I should not fail to write to some of our doctors very particularly about it. I knew any one of them that I thought had virtue enough to destroy such considerable branch of their revenue for the good of mankind. Lady Montague, early vaccination pioneer, early champion, and how cool is that they'll

Starting point is 00:57:57 say old ladies in Turkey. And they just like they're basically just fucking vaccinating people. It's crazy, man. Way back when. Smallpox raged through Boston in 1721, and it had 844 deaths during this epidemic physician, Zabdeal, Boelston, at Cotton Mathers Urging, virulated 248 people thereby introducing virulation to the Americas. Of those virulated six died, the case fatality for a virulation was about 3%. The disease case fatality was 14%. Much worse for the disease, about 900 people left town for fear of catching the disease. Master was widely criticized for his role

Starting point is 00:58:30 in promoting variation, and a primitive grenade was thrown through a window of his house. The attached note threatened, "'Cotton Mather, you dog, damn you. All inoculate you with this, apox to you.'" And that note was written by Mudflap McCarthy, great, great, great, great, great, great, great grandfather of Jenny McCarthy. I don't know, I don't know who wrote the

Starting point is 00:58:49 note. I do know that Zabdeel Boylston is the great uncle of second president, John Adams. And he has quite the first name, Zabdeel. What's short for that? Zab, Zabby, Zabdog, Zab and hit her. It's not a name of her tossed around a lot grown up in Idaho. Uh, lady Mary Montague brings the practice of regulation to England in April of 1721, where she has Dr. Charles Maitland, a derelate her two-year-old daughter. Lady Montague would come under considerable criticism for advocating derelation. The practice slowly began to spread as its ability to protect against smallpox became more certain or apparent.

Starting point is 00:59:20 The results, however, were sometimes fatal. Two to three percent of those derelated died of smallpox in contrast to 20 to 30% in England who would die after contracting smallpox naturally. Despite early success against the pox, modern vaccinations would not hit the scene for a long, long time. 1732, a yellow fever epidemic struck Charleston, South Carolina, starting in May, running to the fall. Deaths occurred so frequently that the usual ringing of church bells upon a death was forbidden. That is crazy. So many people dying that they stopped ringing the bells.

Starting point is 00:59:53 People are just like, enough with the bells, I get it. People are dead. I'm trying to sleep. You ring that death bell one more time. You're going to end up ringing it again because I'm going to kill myself. 1735. Terr terrifying dip theory epidemic, swept through New England. Some cases entire families died of the disease.

Starting point is 01:00:09 And one New Hampshire town, 32% of all the children living there under the age of 10 died. Fuck, that would be the saddest town to live in for so many years after that. I mean, even if your kids didn't die, imagine if a third of the kids in your grade school that your kids went to died. that grade school doesn't totally go back to normal until, you know, all of those classes, you know, have left the school entirely.

Starting point is 01:00:31 The case fatality ratio is almost 40%. No, Webster later wrote, it was literally the plague among children. Many families lost three or four children, many lost all. Binge, you've been Franklin's four year old son, Francis Folger Franklin dies of smallpox. November 21st, 1736. Rumors began to circulate claiming the boy had been inoculated. Franklin published a denial, but also advocated inoculation. You know, saying like, no, that's not true, but wish I would have. He wrote, in 1736, I lost one of my sons, a fine boy of four years old.

Starting point is 01:01:03 Man, that's so fucking sad. Taken by the smallpox in the common way, I long regretted that I had not given it to him by anoculation, which I mentioned for the sake of parents who omit that operation on the supposition that they should never forgive themselves if a child died under it. My example showing that the regret may be same either way and that therefore the safer should be chosen.

Starting point is 01:01:27 How fucking wise is that? You do hear what he's saying? This could be, this is a common complaint amongst anti-vaxxers today. Well, okay, I even, like some people, even if they get the whole herd immunity, they're like, well, I don't want to risk my kid right now. But what he's saying is like, yes,

Starting point is 01:01:40 there is a little bit of a risk with vaccination, but it's a much greater risk mathematically if you don't get them vaccinated and you're going to regret it either way. So go with the route, pick the path that has a statistical probability of being the best choice. Just logic, just logic. Imagine choosing not to vaccinate your kid and then it contagious to these rips through your community and your kid gets sick and dies.

Starting point is 01:02:05 And you know, and no one's certain terms that your kid would still be alive if you would have vaccinated them. That's a risk I am never going to take. 1740, a German physician named Friedrich Hoffman was the first to give a clinical description of the disease that would later come to be known as Rubella German measles. One dose of the MMR vaccine, the measles vaccine, is about 97% effective when it comes to preventing Rubella. We should all be thankful that Edward Jenner was born in Berkeley

Starting point is 01:02:33 on May 17th, 1749 in Gloucestershire, England. His role in the advancement of anoculation makes him, perhaps, one of the most important and most forgotten heroes of history, and he shares my birthday. So, you know, makes it extra cool for me. During Jenner's life, contagious diseases would continue to ravage the earth in 1751, 3538 dying London from smallpox.

Starting point is 01:02:55 In 1757, Scott's physician Francis Homme, MD, transmits measles from infected patients to healthy individuals via blood, demonstrating that disease is caused by an infection, infectious agent. Superbummer, for those early patients, important medical progress overall for disease treatment. In 1768, Catherine the Great of Russia is unacculated by physician Thomas Dimzdale. With relays of horses at the ready, in case the inoculation should go wrong and Dimzdale would need to escape. The operation was kept a secret. Catherine did recover successfully. The doctor didn't have to flee for his life. I hope that dude got paid well. That's a high-pressure job. Imagine that pressure. You do your job or you get killed.

Starting point is 01:03:35 Not fired, murdered. Catherine's successful inoculation encouraged others to funnel suit. 1770, the badass Edward Jenner becomes interested in the idea that previous illness with a disease called cowpox could protect a person from later becoming ill with smallpox. He assumes the disease is must be related and he was right. Jenner's biographer claimed that Jenner heard this folk wisdom from a milkmaid having caught cowpox from a cow she believed herself in her smooth skin say from smallpox. Thank you milkmaid and you, internet. After hearing the term milkmaid, for whatever reason, don't judge me.

Starting point is 01:04:07 I imagine the milkmaid being a sexy lady and I Google image search, sexy milkmaid because it's 2019 and that's possible to do. And the internet, haha, responded big time. What a weird time to be alive. No idea there was a milkmaid fetish out there and a lot of sexy milkmaid photoshoots. No idea that I have a milkmaid fetish. there, and a lot of sexy milk-made ponoshoots.

Starting point is 01:04:25 No idea that I have a milk-made fetish. Be gone, Lose to Fina! Try any of those other important. Anyway, cowpox is an uncommon illness and cattle usually mild. They can be spread from cow to humans via extors on the cow, journey infection, dairy workers could catch it. We now know that cowpox virus, the virus belongs to the orthopox family of viruses. Orthopox viruses also include the horsepox virus, monkeypox virus, the vir belongs to the orthopox family of viruses. Orthopox viruses also include

Starting point is 01:04:45 the horsepox virus, monkeypox virus, the variola virus, which causes a smallpox, it includes the dreaded bananapox virus caught by totally normal men who put their good boy clean wings into some infected and anna peels in a very normal healthy way and they end up swinging a pox peeing around in their shorts for a few weeks. All that was true except for the Nanopox peen clean-wing part. 1774 Benjamin Jesse and in this farmer cattle breeder, inoculates his wife and two sons with matter from a cowpox lesion on one of his cows. Jetsi have an already contracted cowpox believed himself protected from smallpox.

Starting point is 01:05:24 When a serious smallpox epidemic hits his dorset village, he from his quote, great strength of mind took it upon himself to protect his family. His wife and children survived, and the boys when challenge with smallpox inoculation in 1789 showed no symptoms. Jetsi however had no interest in systematically testing his methods or publishing his results, so his finding was largely forgotten. Upon his death, Jetsi's wife had his tombstone described with the first person known who introduced the cowpox inoculation.

Starting point is 01:05:52 And then someone else, who's maybe whose family died from smallpox, wrote some graffiti over that inscription saying, thanks for nothing, you fucking selfish asshole. Maybe that didn't happen. Maybe someone thought about right now. Smallpox became a weapon of war in 1776. Of a force of 10,000 continental army soldiers in Quebec fighting on behalf of the American colonies, about 5,000 fell ill with smallpox. And we think that's because the British sent over some people who were infected into the

Starting point is 01:06:19 American ranks. No bueno. Kind of hard to win a battle of half your soldiers have either died from smallpox or a violently ill with it. The continental task force commander, Major General John Thomas, died of smallpox, his unit and retreated southward in May 1776, arguably this defeat preserved the status of the northern British colonies, permitting Canada to become a separate country that it is today. John Adams wrote, armist fortunes in Canada are enough to melt the heart of stone. The smallpox is 10 times more terrible than the British, Canadians, and Indians together.

Starting point is 01:06:48 This was the cause of our precipitate retreat from Quebec. And smallpox could have killed the American revolution. And without it, Canada never made, never have become part of the British Commonwealth. 1792, the Commonwealth of Virginia passed an act to consolidate previously passed acts regarding smallpox inoculation into one This new acts new act Included the penalty of $1500 Jesus stiff back or six months imprisonment for anyone willfully spreading thepox

Starting point is 01:07:16 Turns out legislation regulating how our citizens handle contagious diseases nothing new After 31 years of absence yellow fever returns to Philadelphia in 1793, killing thousands over a span of several months. 1796, Edward Jenner's innovations began with his successful use of cowpox material to create immunity to smallpox. His method underwent medical and technological changes over the next 200 years eventually resulted in the eradication of smallpox. Edward motherfucking hero, Jenner. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Edward Jenner observed that milkmaids who had gotten cowpox, those sexy, sexiest milkmaids

Starting point is 01:07:50 were in the sexiest milkmaid bonnet. You know, it was like luxurious braided hair and dressed in a way that would sometimes allow you to catch a glimpse of their sexiest ankles. Did not show any symptoms of smallpox after regulation. The first experiment to test this theory involved milkmaid Sarah Nelms and James Fipps, nine-year-old son of Jenner's gardener.

Starting point is 01:08:09 Dr. Jenner took material from a cowpox store on Nelms' hand, inoculated it into Fipps arm, months later, Jenner exposed Fipps a number of times to a very old virus, but Fipps never developed smallpox. Early vaccination victory, what a risk. Man, Jesus Christ. This is just, you know, could have killed the garter's son,

Starting point is 01:08:29 but he didn't, I guess that's good. The Royal Society rejected a generous report of, sorry, making sure, yeah, so many names there. Make sure, okay, it's gender, yeah. The Royal Society rejected the generous report of his achievement. So September 17th, 1798, Jen herself published a pamphlet called

Starting point is 01:08:44 an inquiry into the causes and effects of very old a vaccine or vaccinate, a disease discovered in some of the western counties of England, particularly Glossier Shire, and known by the name of the cowpox. Man, time and time again, we learn here on the suck that book and article titles, pamphlet titles used to be terrible. No publisher in their right mind would put that in a magazine or on a website today with that title. You know, it's some publisher. You want to call it what? You want to call it an inquiry into the causes and effects of the very old A, vaccinate, a disease discovered in some of the Western counties being the protected lodges are and by the name of Kaapak. Are you fuck? Are you kidding me? I almost fell asleep

Starting point is 01:09:22 halfway through reading that. I rather come down with smallpox and read that again. How about cowpox? Killer becomes cure. New business idea. I go back in time. I do go back and I crush it as an editor. This pamphlet outline generous success in protecting James Fift from smallpox infection

Starting point is 01:09:37 with material from cowpox partial. In addition to 22 related cases, word began to spread of a new way to cheat death. 1801 at Grim Reaper's like, oh, no, no, I get a general publisher's of treatsy on the origin of vaccine inoculation, which he summarizes his discoveries and expresses hope that the annihilation of the smallpox, the most dreadful scourge of the human species must be the final result of this practice. Like you had your good one, Eddie. Massachusetts became the first US state to encourage use of vaccinations against small pox in 1802.

Starting point is 01:10:09 Dr. Waterhouse, the first Dr. Emboston to obtain vaccine material, convinces the city's Board of Health to sponsor a public test of vaccination. Nineteen volunteers are successfully vaccinated. In 1805, the first compulsory vaccination is attempted. Marianne Alisa of Luka, Napoleon's sister, became the first ruler to try to make vaccinations compulsory. She was unable, however, to determine a practical method of enforcement. Four years later, the first state law in the U.S. mandating vaccinations was enacted in

Starting point is 01:10:39 Massachusetts in 1809. Damn you illuminati! Forced in your poisons upon us for over 200 years. In 1813, the U.S. Congress authorizes President James Madison to establish a national vaccine agency. And President Madison says, and I quote, nah, nah, I'll play it. Man, if I ditch it,

Starting point is 01:10:57 that scene's gonna give kids autism. Everybody knows that. And then smallpox wiped out just under two million Americans in the winter of 1813, 1814. Or that doesn't happen. Or maybe Madison appoints James Smith, a physician from Baltimore as an action national vaccine agent. America is so determined to get vaccines out to the citizens that the US Post Office is

Starting point is 01:11:16 required to carry mail, wait up to 0.5 ounces for free. If it contains smallpox vaccine material, servicing Congress is really to preserve the genuine vaccine matter and to furnish the same to any citizen of the United States. Trying to help people. In 1817, the first of seven, cholera pandemics over the next 150 years, hit humanity at large. This wave of the small intestine infection originated in Russia where 1 million people died, 1 million. The first cholera vaccine won't be developed until age 85.

Starting point is 01:11:47 Spreading through feces, infected water, and food, the collar of bacteria was passed along to British soldiers who brought it to India where millions more died. We define collar and great detail in the Donner party suck. So many buttholes quite literally blown off due to McGill's pop, which you know is a fake symptom of a fake disease if you heard that episode. I've a real disease actually, fake symptom really. The reach of the British Empire and his navy spread collar to Spain, Africa, Indonesia,

Starting point is 01:12:14 China, Japan, Italy, Germany, and America were killed 150,000 people. The United Kingdom vaccination act of 1853 makes smallpox vaccination mandatory in the first three months of an infant's life. A parent's penalty for not complying is fine or fine or imprisonment. The first mandatory vaccination law in vaccination history. Of its kind. And of course there's backlash. An anti-vaxxers begin to protest. And why exactly do they protest? Well, for some parents, the small vaccination or the smallpox vaccination induced fear and protest because it involved scoring the flesh on a child's arm and inserting

Starting point is 01:12:50 limp from the blister of a person who had been vaccinated about a week earlier. I get that. If you don't understand how vaccinations work, totally normal, why the government is, or totally normal to fear, you know, why the government is, you know, essentially looking like they're trying to force your kid to get sick. Some objectors, including the local clergy, believe that the vaccine is un-Christian because it comes from an animal, not gonna lie, don't care for this argument. This is where I differ from some of our religious listeners. If the argument comes down to a debate between, because this is what science has proven, and because God said so, I'm gonna go with science every time. Other protesters objected to vaccination

Starting point is 01:13:26 because they believed it violated their personal liberty, which it did, but for good reason. Interesting how the current anti-vaccination arguments are really nothing new. They've been around for a long time. We fear what we don't understand. And historically, a lot of meat sacks have not understood science. The scientific community has had to fight

Starting point is 01:13:44 against those people's beliefs for a long, long time. Now let's take a break from talking about people who fear what they don't understand and talk about people who help us overcome that very specific fear. The great courses plus, hell, Nimrod, that was quite a sponsored transition. I think I nailed it. Pretty sure I hit that one over the center field wall.

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Starting point is 01:15:38 If you're bad at math, that's way more than a few. Also in 1855, Massachusetts passes the first US law mandating vaccinations for school children. Measles then play a role in the Civil War a short time later. Historian Michael B. A Old Stone wrote about the role of measles between 1861 and 1865 in the US Civil War in his book, Viruses, Plagues, and History. Writing, the American Civil War was the last large-scale military conflict fought before the German theory of disease was developed. Two-thirds of soldiers who died in that war, 660,000 and all, were killed by uncontrolled

Starting point is 01:16:14 infectious diseases of these in the Union Army over 67,000 head measles more than 4,000 died. Sweet Nimrod, those little asshole demons killing more, you know, meat sacks than cannon fire. In 1875, after Fiji was seated at the British Empire, a royal party visited Australia as a gift from Queen Victoria, arriving during a measles outbreak. The royal party brought the disease back to their island and another disease fire burned up another human forest. The island quickly became litter with corpses that were scavenged by wild animals, entire villages died, were burned down, sometimes with the sick trapped inside the fires,

Starting point is 01:16:50 when third of Fiji's population, a total of 40,000 people died. Back to the US now, in 1879, Lewis Pasture, and Vince Autism, because one time a kid looked at him funny and decided to punish Altildron forever by tricking doctors and stick needles in them and pumping them full of disability, induced, and poison. Or in 1879, Lewis Pasture produced the first laboratory developed vaccine, the vaccine for chicken cholera. So many less chickens died of chicken cholera because this vaccine was made chicken super happy. You know, until they realized it's surviving, that disaster, you know, just meant that

Starting point is 01:17:21 they were going to live long enough to get their heads fucking cut off and then have their delicious little chicken bodies thrown into stupas. So not great for chickens, but it would help, you know, just meant that they were gonna live long enough to get their heads fucking cut off and then have their delicious little chicken bodies thrown into stupas. So, not great for chickens, but it would help, you know, humans later. In August of 1881, Carlos Finlay presented the paper, The Mosquito Hypocetically Considered as the Transmitting Agent of Yellow Fever, to Havana's Academy of Sciences. And it was the first published work to correctly identify mosquitoes as the ultimate source of this disease. Finlay's theory, of course, was initially ridiculed. It was accepted only when US Army scientists working under Walter Reed demonstrated that it was correct two decades later. So that's fun. For 20 years, countless people died needlessly because people were afraid of and or didn't understand recent scientific advancements. It feels familiar. In 1881, Lewis Pasture and US Army physician George Miller Sternberg, both independently

Starting point is 01:18:09 discover that the Stripokakis pneumoniae bacterium is responsible for cases of pneumonia and meningitis as well as other illnesses, more progress, science has contagious disease in his crosshairs now. In June of 1881, the results of pastures, large study of anthrax vaccination livestock become evident in a dramatic public or in dramatic public demonstrations. In a test of his vaccine, all 25 of the unvaccinated animals die. Only one of the vaccinated animals dies, like the result of pregnancy of a miscarriage rather than of anthrax, but the anti-vax crowd at the time still not convinced. They're like, yeah, that's kind of cool, but you don't tell me how to raise my kids, okay?

Starting point is 01:18:49 I'll get the hell off of property. In 1882, the anti-vaccination League of America held its first meeting in New York. Among the assertions made by the speakers at the meeting was the idea that smallpox was spread, not by contagion, but by filth. This became a popular, though incorrect argument of anti-vaccination ists or anti-vaccination. Yes, yeah, I said it right. It's crazy work. And of course, we'd lead to piles of dead bodies in the streets of numeric cities across the globe. Wire doctors trying to stick us with needles when everyone knows smallpox is contra mud and shit. What we need is better boots and gloves. So we don't touch the mud in the

Starting point is 01:19:22 shit. We just just avoid mud sidewalks and lawns and now pooping on them. That's what we need to focus on. Not your damn food, doctor, nonsensory. Louis Pasteur develops the first rabies vaccine in 1885. It's first used on a human July 6th, a nine year old Joseph Meister who'd been mulled by a rabid dog. Joseph would survive, grow up to work for past year Hail Nimrod. In 1893 and Muncie, Indiana, smallpox outbreak illustrates the effect of lower vaccination rates on the spread of a disease.

Starting point is 01:19:53 A local physician notes that the vaccination there had been largely neglected since the last epidemic of smallpox in 1876. Despite measures that included a near quarantine of the city, fumigation of mail, cancellation of public gatherings, and compulsory vaccination, the epidemic spreads from May 1893 through October in the end 140 people can track smallpox 20 die. Not millions, but still 22 many. The first major documented polio outbreak in the US occurs in Rutland County, Vermont June 17th 1894 18 deaths, 132 cases of permanent paralysis are reported. Not really that long ago.

Starting point is 01:20:29 The British vaccination act of 1898 provides a conscious clause to allow exemptions to mandatory smallpox vaccination. This clause gives rise to the term conscientious objector, which later came to refer to those who oppose military service by the end of the year. Magistrates had issued more than 200,000 vaccination exemptions. Anti-vaccination is an England other parts of Europe in the United States, become active, more active in publishing, speaking, and demonstrating about their objections to vaccinations. In 1899, more yellow fever hits the Americas this time in Panama. The French officially

Starting point is 01:21:01 abandoned efforts to build a Panama Canal, translated the rights to the project of the US and part because of yellow fever and malaria deaths You know killing the projects workers In 1900 US Army researchers discovered that mosquitoes are the cause of yellow fever four years later Anti mosquito methods allow the completion of the Panama Canal Now let's bring autism into the timeline in 1908 Eugen Bluer a Swiss psychiatrist, first coin the terms schizophrenia, schizophrenia and autism after observing patients

Starting point is 01:21:30 displaying severe cases of schizophrenia. More on this as we go. Back to viruses and bacteria's domination in the Earth, let's talk about the 1918 Spanish flu. 1918, just barely over a century ago. An avian-born flu virus results in 50 million deaths worldwide. The Spanish flu thought to have originated in China, then spread by Chinese laborers being transported by rail across Canada on their way to Europe, in North America.

Starting point is 01:21:55 The flu first appears in Kansas in early 1918, visible in Europe by the spring. Wire Services report a flu outbreak in Madrid in the spring of 1918 that led to the pandemic being called Spanish flu. By October, hundreds of thousands of Americans died. Body storage scarcity hit code red, but then the flu threat disappeared in the summer of 1919 when most of the infected had either developed immunities or died. And if we got rid of vaccines now, you can bet your sweet meat sack ass. We'd have plenty more Spanish flu type infections disasters.

Starting point is 01:22:28 Following your vaccines, get some bad press. 1919 dozens of Dallas, Texas children are sick and in five die from a contaminated batch of deuteria toxin, antitoxin mixture, TAT. The TAT was manufactured by Mulford and Coe and Philadelphia and the company paid damages to the afflicted families, anti-vaxxers. Now have some real vaccination deaths to point to. Vaccinations killed those kids. No doubt about it. Mistakes happen. But abandoning successful vaccines because of a few isolated negative incidents

Starting point is 01:22:57 makes about as much sense as having doctors, having surgeons, stop performing heart surgeries because a few times, surgeons made mistakes during surgery and some patients died. Not smart to stop doing something that will for sure save many, many, many, many lives in order to save a couple lives. Gotta look at the big picture. By 1922, many US schools have started

Starting point is 01:23:22 requiring smallpox vaccinations before children can attend. Despite worldwide vaccination successes against smallpox opposition to vaccination continues to the 20s, particularly against compulsory vaccination. In 1926, a group of health officers visits Georgetown, Delaware to vaccinate the townspeople. A retired army lieutenant and a city councilman lead an armed mob to force out the medical professionals successfully preventing their vaccination attempts. Lieutenant and a city councilman lead an armed mob to force out the medical professionals successfully preventing their vaccination attempts. Fuck, when is that gonna start happening again?

Starting point is 01:23:51 Another setback of vaccinations comes from the land of kangaroos in 1928, bacterial contamination of deuteria toxin antitoxin mixture in Boondaburg, Queensland, Australia, leads to the death of 12 kids. Five others become critically ill, but recover. This tragedy occurs when a multi-use bottle of tat containing no preservatives was improperly stored and reused, another mistake. 1929, another vaccination set back.

Starting point is 01:24:16 A disaster is caused by the use of the Bicillus Calment-Guerren BCG for tuberculosis vaccination. It strikes the German city of Lubick. In 1929 and 1930, 72 babies die from tuberculosis vaccination. It strikes the German city of Lubbock. In 1929 and 1930, 72 babies died from tuberculosis out of 252 vaccinated. Many additional infants made ill as a result of vaccination. The vaccination used, what later found, to have been contaminated with human tuberculosis

Starting point is 01:24:38 when a human tuberculosis strain being studied in the same lab, where the vaccines was produced, you know, got in there. Another setback occurs five years later. In 1935, two separate teams were at work developing and testing a polio vaccine. Both projects, you know, come to disastrous ends. At New York University, Maurice Brodie, MD, a young researcher, prepares a killed polio virus vaccine, testing it on chimpanzees, on himself, and finally on children.

Starting point is 01:25:07 He enrolls about 11,000 individuals in his trial. Meanwhile, John Colmer, MD of Temple University in Philadelphia, develops an intenuated polio virus vaccine, which he tested in about 10,000 children. Several subjects die of polio. Many others are paralyzed, made ill, or suffer allergic reactions to the vaccines. Fuck! This argument will provide legitimate fuel for the argument against mandatory vaccinations that exist to this day, but again, it's just about numbers. You have to look at overall numbers. In 1936, Max Theter and his colleagues developed a live attenuated vaccine for ill-fever using tissue cultures prepared

Starting point is 01:25:41 from embryonic chicken eggs. Among the many subcultures of the yellow fever virus in the lab, the one designated 17D is used, given the vaccine its name. He published the results of US vaccine trials on humans in 1937, and the vaccine was easily adapted for mass production and became the universal standard and saved countless lives. In 1939, the March of Dimes is born. An enormous fundraising effort begins when entertainer Eddie Cantor suggests on the radio that people send dimes to President Roosevelt,

Starting point is 01:26:10 right, President, you know, Roosevelt had polio at the White House to help fight polio. Within a few weeks, people had mailed 2,680,000 dimes to the President, which is hilarious to me just how different money is now. Like now, the stamp to send the dime would cost, you know, be worth more than the dime. But anyway, other celebrities and then grassroots organizers joining the campaign over the years, the March of Dimes has raised tens of millions of dollars, much of which has gone to, you know, find a polio vaccine. A huge early supporter of the March of Dimes and the polio vaccination movement in general, I find this very interesting.

Starting point is 01:26:48 Were the popular 20th century American comic book characters, Pudy and Juju. March 1st 1939 issue 197 of Pudy and Juju comes out and it's titled, poor polio Pudy forgot a shot he should have got. In this emotionally gripping issue, Pudy decides not to to get vaccinated against polio ends up losing the ability to walk. After not going with juju to the doctor when juju got vaccinated, Pudi comes down with a fever and a headache, achy leg muscles, and then floppy and flaccid arms and legs. Pudi suddenly can't stand and Pudi asked juju to help Pudi to the doctor and the doctor diagnoses Pudi with polio. Then P it into the doctor. And the doctor diagnoses Pudy with polio. Then Pudy asks the doctor for a shot to clear it all up. The doctor explains how vaccines don't work.

Starting point is 01:27:30 If you don't get them before you catch a virus, and that there is no cure for polio, only a way to prevent catching it in the first place. And while the doctor explains all this using medical jargon, Pudy zones out. Pudy gets confused. There's blankly into the middle distance, not understanding the word. When the doctor finishes, Pudy says,. Poodie gets confused. There's blankly into the middle distance, not understanding the word.

Starting point is 01:27:45 When the doctor finishes, Poodie says, see how much is the shot, Doc? And then, Juju yells, two diddle, two diddle, Poodie, it's too late. There is no shot for you now. It's too little, too diddle, Poodie. And both Poodie and Juju's eyes, well, it put tears. And then, Poodie says,

Starting point is 01:28:02 is it if it's Juju? He's your squacala for seven, eight, never said nothing. Now then Poodie says, is it if it's you, is your squacola for seven eight, never said nothing. Now go find me a pencil eraser. And then after juju hands, Poodie the eraser. Poodie use it to completely erase little Poodie arms, little Poodie legs,

Starting point is 01:28:14 little Poodie body over the next few pages. And then Poodie redraws all that. Rewinds the calendar by a year. It gets the vaccine before ever coming into contact with polio and juju is blown away screaming we're parking in the shed if that ain't a new fee tricksy trick and then poody dresses the reader directly saying hey maxin dollars i can just erase mistakes but you ain't made a lead and you'll lose your head unless you get the shot you should have got. Support the FDR in the March of Dimes, stand out to polio by standing in line in the vaccination line. And then

Starting point is 01:28:50 juju puts an arm around Pudi and kisses Pudi's cheek and says, not your little Pudi, just a right amount of digital. And then they both laugh hysterically, you know, because neither them has any fucking clue what that means. The end of the comic, the end of the comic, not of the timeline. If you're confused, you're either a newlister or you forgot about our two strains or friends. Been too long since they heard from Pudian Juju. Ah, it sucks very own little mini-show within a show.

Starting point is 01:29:17 Hi, come. Time to move on to 1940 now. 1940 Thomas, Francis, Jr., MD, Jonas Sock, MD, service lead researchers at the University of Michigan to develop the first inactivated flu vaccine with support from the US Army. Their vaccine uses fertilized chicken eggs in a method that is still used to produce most flu vaccines today. The Army is involved with the research because of their experience with true plots from

Starting point is 01:29:39 flu illness and deaths during World War I. Also in 1940, American researchers began to use the term autism to describe children with social and emotional issues. 1942, a bivalent two-component vaccine that offers protection against influenza A and influenza B viruses is produced after the discovery of influenza B viruses. Also in 1942, the Communic pool disease center, the CDC, opens in Atlanta, a big fan of the CDC. 1943, Leo Canner, an American child psychiatrist, publishes his paper, Autistic Disturbances of Effective Contact after observing 11 children that displayed common autistic traits. Canner names this condition early infant early infantile autism, now known as autism, actually more recently

Starting point is 01:30:26 known as autism spectrum disorder. 1944, the Sea of Cell Cultures for Virus Growth is discovered. This allows viruses to be cultured outside the body for the first time, the ability to culture influenza from respiratory secretions, allows diagnosis of influenza. In 1944, Hans Osperger, an Austrian pediatrician, medical theorist, medical professor, observes a group of children who exhibit similar conditions to the ones who can't or study. However, most of these conditions are milder forms of autism and include impaired motor and speech skills.

Starting point is 01:30:57 The symptoms would later be used to define Asperger syndrome. And now, of course, that term has gone away as well. 1945, the influenza vaccine, first license for use and civilians. During the seasonal flu epidemic of 1947, investigators determined that changes in the anti-genic composition of circulating influenza viruses has rendered existing vaccines ineffective,

Starting point is 01:31:18 highlighting the need for continuous surveillance and characterization of circulating flu viruses. And this is why we have an annual flu vaccine to this day. In 1948, the World Health Organization, who influences enter, is established at the National Institute for Medical Research and London. The primary task of the organization are to collect and characterize influenza viruses, develop methods for the laboratory diagnosis of influenza virus infections, establish a network of laboratories,

Starting point is 01:31:45 and disamate data accumulated from their investigations. Yeah, right. Okay, reptilians, sure. Okay, that's where you have to let it down. I get it, studying the flu and shit, get the fuck, like I don't understand. London's important to the new world order. Hiding in plain sight.

Starting point is 01:32:02 Mm-hmm. Oh, you're not running experiments on children. Forced living cages. Are you not doing that? If you're sure not creating diseases to create disharmony and discordant death and suffering within the human race, so you lizard cocksuckers can feed off our negative energy.

Starting point is 01:32:17 You can have some negative energy sandwiches. I get it. Yeah, not doing any. That stuff. Wink, wink. Sorry, blacked out for about 30 seconds there. Mac, also in 1948, the Kyoto disaster occurs in Kyoto, Japan, 68 of 606 children died

Starting point is 01:32:33 of after-difficuria immunization as a result of improper manufacture of toxoid. Dammit, another setback, another bullet to be fired from the anti-vaccination gun. 1954, super bad-ass Jonas Salk, a successful polio vaccine trial. Super big deal. Salk is credited with the invention of the polio vaccine. Starting in Hong Kong in 1957 and spreading throughout China and then into the United States,

Starting point is 01:32:56 the Asian flu becomes widespread in England, where over six months, 14,000 people die. Second wave follows causing just under 70,000 deaths in the US. Just over 60 years ago, the flu took out damn near 70,000 people die. Second wave follows causing just under 70,000 deaths in the US. Just over 60 years ago, the flu took out damn near 70,000 Americans. It's way too recent. Luckily a vaccine was developed the same year which ended the pandemic. Thank you, scientists, for literally saving tens of thousands of additional lives. Noted. I appreciate it.

Starting point is 01:33:18 I appreciate you, scientists. Also in 1957, a new H2N2 flu virus emerges to trigger a pandemic, about 1.1 million die globally, including a roughly 116,000 US. So many people killed by the flu so recently. 1963, a measles vaccine is licensed after demonstrating its safety and a fick a fick a half. I'm just going to stay with safety. After demonstrating the safety and efficiency, efficacy, fucking somebody's words, too many words, right? Efficacy, okay.

Starting point is 01:33:50 First in monkeys and then humans, John Anderson colleagues to clear their measles vaccine capable of preventing infection. Their Edmondsden B strain of measles virus was transformed into a vaccine license in the US in 1963. Nearly 19 million doses would be administered over the next 12 years. Uh, Dr. Benjamin Rubin of Wyos Laboratories, patents, the bifurcated needle for delivery

Starting point is 01:34:14 of smallpox vaccine in July 13, 1967, 1965, excuse me, using bifurcated needles for vaccination requires less vaccine material for each dose and was easier than previous methods. This development would have large implications for smallpox vaccination campaigns. Also in 1965, the Autism Society of America founded by Ivar Lovas, sounds like a fucking Russian-new world order kind of public. Bernard Remland and Ruth C. Sullivan do help increase public awareness, support for families and individuals with autism. Nard Röhmlund and Ruth C. Sullivan to help increase public awareness, support for families

Starting point is 01:34:45 individuals with autism. In 1968, a new H3N2 influenza virus. There's so many diseases. Isn't that scary? This virus emerges to trigger another pandemic, resulting in roughly a hundred thousand deaths in the US alone. One million worldwide, 1968 that happens. Oh, 1969, Maurice Hilleman, working at Merck, large pharmaceutical company, Illuminati

Starting point is 01:35:07 puppet organization, clearly, modifies a Rubella vaccine virus from Paul Parkman and Harry Meyer, scientists from the division of biologics standards. The vaccine enters commercial use in 1969, 1970. Year later, 71, the MMR vaccine licensed protection against measles, mumps, Rubella provided at the same time time V1 shot. The US government licenses Merck's combined trivalent measles mumps and rebellion vaccine MMR in 1971. Combination vaccines several advantages over single vaccines.

Starting point is 01:35:37 They reduce the need for several separate injections. They reduce costs of stocking and shipping multiple containers. Combination vaccines can help improve overall vaccination rates by simplifying the vaccination process. For the next few years and 70s, several new vaccines are licensed and studied. Research on autism also brings a new finding. 1975, the first statistic published by the CDC says that one in five thousand children are affected by autism, expect from disorder. And that's in America.

Starting point is 01:36:03 In 1976, reported cases of pertussis whooping cough have been dropped in the US since the introduction of the combined DTP, Deptharia, Tetris, and pertussis vaccine. The highest recorded number of annual cases have been in 1934 with more than 260,000 cases. But by 1976, we're down to just over 1,000, 2010. Hail Nimrod! I like that, that's a better number.

Starting point is 01:36:24 You know, if you have to pick between 260,000 people getting sick or a thousand, thousand seems better to me. I don't have a degree in math, but I, you know, it feels right in my heart. 1978, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention declared a glow, goal of eliminating measles from the United States by 1982. Although that goal would not be met, Wide-free vaccination drastically reduced the incidence of the disease, and it would be declared eliminated in the country by 2000. By the year 2000, over the next two years, more advanced vaccines for Rubella and rabies are licensed, and by

Starting point is 01:36:55 1980 the World Health Assembly accepts the who goal, who global, who will. Talk about who will for a second. No, by 1990, the World Health Assembly accepted the who global commissions, recommendation, someone, your mother fucking scrabble words. And declared the world free from smallpox. 1981, the measles elimination program reported measles cases. We're down and unprecedented 80% from the previous year.

Starting point is 01:37:22 That's pretty good. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention noted that only 770 cases reported in the first 14 weeks of 1981, while 3,897 have been reported on the same period previous year, progress in vaccines for several diseases continues in the early 80s. 1975, the Pan American Health Organization, PEO, PAHO, which serves as the regional office of the World Health Organization for the Americas, announces a campaign to achieve polio elimination in the Americas by 1990.

Starting point is 01:37:50 Its original goal of 1990 would not be met, but the last case of wild type paralytic polio was reported in the Americans in 1991, and the region of the Americas was certified, polio-free, ding-ding, polio-free, 1994. 1993, the vaccines for children, VFC, program, is established as a result of a measles outbreak to provide vaccines at no cost to children whose parents or guardians might not be able to afford them. The program increases likelihood of children getting recommended vaccinations on schedule, also in 1993. Cost of the influenza vaccine become covered under a benefit under Medicare part B

Starting point is 01:38:34 1994 Russia hit hard by Differia declining Differia immunization among children and waiting adult immunity led to an epidemic in the former Soviet Union 1994 the Russian Federation saw almost 40,000 Differia cases and Contrast four years previously 1990. There was only about 1200 cases. That's not good August 20 is 1994 polio declared eliminated from the Americas I've been here for about a year, and I've been here for about a year, and I've been here for about a year, and I've been here for about a year, and I've been here for about a year, and I've been here for about a year, and I've been here for about a year, and I've been here for about a year, and I've been here for about a year, and I've been here for about a year, and I've been here for about a year, and I've been we talked about in the Lancet, claiming evidence of a measles virus in the digestive systems of autistic children. This bullshit study, I already pointed out, later tossed out, suggested a relationship between the MMR, measles, mumps, and rebella vaccine and autism. Vaccination rates in England drop

Starting point is 01:39:18 in response from more than 90% to 80% or lower. Well below the level required for herd immunity to measles, measles cases, meanwhile, began to rise. While only 56 cases were confirmed in Wales, in England, 1998, 1,348 would be confirmed by 2008, and that is a direct result of lowered vaccination rates. In 2004, when it was reported that some of the subjects of Wakefield's paper had been recruited by a lawyer,

Starting point is 01:39:44 involved in a lawsuit against vaccine manufacturers, 10 of the twelve co-authors of the study retract their interpretation regarding the link between the vaccine and autism. Numerous epa epa epa epa demial epa demiala god damn it. Epa demialogical epa demialogical. There we go. Fuck. Epi epi epi epi epi ep fuck Epi epi epi epi epi Epitomeal epidemiological

Starting point is 01:40:08 I don't like that word at all studies Perform since have also provided additional evidence that no such link exists part of me Which is just a joke I can just go be like a medical lecture like a fake medical lecture and just have just just fucking load it with the most dense medical terms Just watch students as a Supp professor is like the epidemic, the lot, God, damn it! I'm Robert Hansen. I'm a version of the Moshmouth person, without the killing. But with the same frustration, we're not being able to say things I want to say.

Starting point is 01:40:37 At the turn of the 21st century, continuous transmission of measles halted in the United States. The next year in 2001, more research into autism comes to a new conclusion. The National Institute of Health estimates that autism affects one in 250 children, a drastic increase from the estimates of 1975. Antivaxers use this to jump, use this jump to justify their skepticism and link this jump with the jump in vaccinations. Again, as I explained earlier, was there a real rise in autism or were doctors just becoming much more familiar with how to diagnose autism? And again, correlation does not, you know, lead to causation, does not imply causation. 14 years after the launch

Starting point is 01:41:15 of the Global Eradication Program, the World Health Organization declares polio eliminated in Europe, June 6, 2002, 2003, the first nasal spray flu vaccine is licensed. The USA's readiness for the spread of disease continues to improve. 2007, American Veterinarian or the American Veterinary Medical Association, AVMA, establishes the One Health Initiative Task Force, an effort to attain optimal health for people, animals, and the environment. Praiseable jangles, less disease for meat, sex, and fur babies. Then American Medical Association, the American Medical Association, unanimously approves

Starting point is 01:41:52 a resolution calling for increased collaboration between human and veterinary medical communities. The term one health, which looks at the interactions between animal and human health, enters the medical and scientific lexicon. The one health approach is recommended for pandemic preparedness during the international ministerial conference on avian and pandemic influenza. Fuck these names of these places. These acronyms, God damn it, science community. You want people to like you more?

Starting point is 01:42:23 Make easier names. Just an international ministerial conference. Just call like fucking flu guys or something. I don't know, make it fun. You gotta get a different marketing teams together. God damn it. The average person's like the what? Sounds fucking dumb. Also in 2007, the FDA approves the first US vaccine

Starting point is 01:42:44 for people against an avian influenza A, H5N1 virus. I want you to hire to come up with different names for medical ordinance like tech medical government. Just make it more fun. You know, all these long ass, crazy ass titles. The inter-interimensional ministerial epidemiological conference on the avian and pandemic epidemiological, call it, you know, flu fighters, you know, it sounds like like flu fighters, sounds like fucking younger and cooler, you know, call like fuck this season shit, right? That's kind of cool, you know, speaks to the youth. Okay, also in 2007, anyway, the FDA approves the, I said that US vaccine, the push to eradicate the tiny grease,

Starting point is 01:43:27 the shift, yeah, it's done, the bids just continue. November of 2007, Bill and Melinda Gates, their foundation, gives $100 million to the Rotary International, to Combat Polio, Rotary International. That's not a bad organization, right? Two words, okay, that's cool. Promises to match the grant over a three year period for a total of 200 million to be used

Starting point is 01:43:48 in the global eradication campaign. Bill Gates, I don't know him. Nobody seems like a pretty smart guy. If Bill Gates was on one side of a debate and Johnny McCarthy was on the other side, who should I go with? 2009, there are zero diphtheria cases in the US for the fifth consecutive year and fewer than 75 years' diphtheria, once a leading cause of premature death of children virtually eliminated in the US. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Collar epidemic begins in Yemen. April 2017, raging through a country whose water sanitation and health infrastructures

Starting point is 01:44:23 have been damaged by conflict. As of mid-August, about 500,000 cases nearly 2000 deaths had occurred. Stuff still killing people. July 11, 2017, the World Health Organization. That's a good one. Who? It's like a cool band. Reported that measles outbreaks in Europe during the past 12 months led to 35 deaths, 31 of the measles deaths occurred in Romania,

Starting point is 01:44:45 which had years of declining measles containing vaccine coverage. For 2015, the World Health Organization estimated two dose MCV coverage at 88% of Romanian children, down from a high of 97% coverage in 2003. In most countries experiencing outbreaks in 2017, measles' immunation rates were much lower than 95% the coverage amount needed for herd immunity. Italy alone recorded 3,300 confirmed cases of measles, one death in the first half of 2017. Ukraine reported a thousand cases by the end of July, 2017.

Starting point is 01:45:19 Poland actually announced two million cases. Do you know that five million Polish people die of diseases every year because they don't get vaccinated and a traditional Policeman cuisine is to eat your own shit. So, you know, that probably didn't need to be in this episode. Hey, declining vaccination rates,

Starting point is 01:45:39 totally preventable illnesses. Lawmakers and health officials in European countries have begun to respond to declining vaccination rates in Germany. Legislation is pending that would find parents for not seeking compulsory advice on child immunization. Italian health officials have made immunization against 12 childhood diseases mandatory for public school attendance. In France, where currently children must be immunized only against if theory of tetanus and polio, 11 childhood vaccines, including MCV became mandatory in 2018. On going economic and civic unrest led to a return of measles in Venezuela in August of 2018, just over a year ago,

Starting point is 01:46:16 or I'm sorry, just pretty much exactly a year ago, what am I talking about? The World Health Organization declared the entire region of the Americas free from circulating measles in 2016, only to have this highly infectious disease returned to time of crisis due to a lack of enough vaccines. According to who guidelines, measles are considered endemic when the same type of measles virus has been circulating in a country for more than 12 continuous months, gaps in vaccination

Starting point is 01:46:39 coverage in Venezuela provided an entry point for an imported virus, a type first-president Asian, then Europe, to circulate in under immunized populations. The disease has recently crossed Venezuelan borders to infect people in Brazil, including highly vulnerable indigenous populations who are completely unvaccinated. God knows how many of those people have already died. And that, my dear meat sacks,

Starting point is 01:47:03 is this episode's Time Suck timeline. Good job, soldier. You made it back. Barely. I hope that timeline really laid out why we need vaccinations. I edited and re-read and studied this, these notes more than any other episode of TimeStick by far. Admittedly, science, it was not my strongest subject. I worked very hard to kind of overcompensate for that, clearly. Never going to be a scientific lecturer.

Starting point is 01:47:38 But luckily, there's a lot of scientific studies out there, and I think I'm pretty decent at being able to differentiate between science and pseudo science and go with legitimate there's a lot of scientific studies out there. And I think I'm pretty decent at, you know, being able to differentiate between science and pseudoscience and go with legitimate sources. And we included a lot of them. Several of us, you know, researched this episode very thoroughly. And I hope that laid some important information out there. You know, we need vaccinations because infectious disease,

Starting point is 01:47:58 historically the number one killer of us meets X by far. The only reason we don't worry about infectious diseases much today is because vaccinations have been very successful. of us meat sacks by far. The only reason we don't worry about infectious diseases much today is because vaccinations have been very successful. You know, in ironically again, because that success, more people are now choosing now to get vaccinated. Bro, we don't even need it anymore, dude. Zez is aren't even fucking killing people and shit. Why should I get vaccinated? The disease is don't kill anyone anymore because we've gotten vaccinated. It's a very frustrating argument.

Starting point is 01:48:25 You know, but what about vaccines making us sick? You know, given us disorders like autism, I've already stated that there's no credible scientific link between autism and vaccinations, but let me let me debunk a few more vaccinations or Sorry, let me debunk a few more vaccine arguments anti-vaccine arguments. There we go. That's the way I should have said the first time. There are four main arguments against vaccinations in the debate over their use in children. The first argument is that modern vaccinations contain toxic substance such as aluminum and mercury and these substances cause autism. They don't cause autism.

Starting point is 01:48:58 They do include some of those substances. That part's true. However, the reality is that we consume 30 to 50 milligrams. So these substances daily through just living our lives on a planet full of these substances, substances like aluminum and mercury. And these 30 to 50 milligrams are 20 times more than the maximum allowed in a vaccine. Can't debunk that association any better than that. You get way more aluminum and mercury put into your body. Just fucking walking around living than you were ever going to get in a vaccine.

Starting point is 01:49:32 And you get it every day. The second major argument for anti-vaxxers that too many vaccines can and do overload children's immune systems causing health problems. The truth here, according to medical professionals in the CDC, is that children are exposed to more environmental antigens again. And one day, then what is contained in all of the vaccines they will ever fucking receive? Boom! Mike dropped.

Starting point is 01:49:56 Myth debunked. The third argument that is often used is that natural immunity to disease is better than vaccination. No. With measles, the death rate is 2 deaths per a thousand cases in developed countries 20 times that rate in low resource nations One in one million people have a severe adverse reaction to MMR vaccines D Bunked yeah, yeah, yeah next myth

Starting point is 01:50:22 The final most used argument against vaccines is that immunizations cause autoimmune disorders, asthma, allergies, other things. The truth, at least according to scientists and doctors, the entire medical community, is that not one large scale study has shown that vaccines increased the risk of any of these things, not one, not even by accident. Now let's show some sympathy for the anti-vax crowd,

Starting point is 01:50:41 and make a final emotional appeal to do the right thing for you and your family. Get vaccinated unless special health problems prevent you from doing so. That's be nice. But first, that's be fucking naughty. That's fun. Let's see what some YouTube commenters have to say about anti-vaxers on today's idiots of the internet.

Starting point is 01:51:07 Today's video is called middle ground. Pro vaccine versus anti vaccine should your kids get vaccinated. Almost 3.6 million views, 86,000 likes, 6.4,000 dislikes, first published, February 3rd, 2019, by Jubilee, who describes a video saying, we brought people together who both support and oppose vaccination to see if they can find middle ground. And the people in the video are very nice and respectful towards each other, towards each other's opinions. Luckily, the people in the comments section don't play nice.

Starting point is 01:51:38 A comment from a guy named Sam Vyardes sums up the true lunacy, the anti-vaccination argument. I love this writing. Dr. I have a medical degree and 15 years experience. Karen, I have a Quora account. Exactly. I talk about this phenomenon in my standup right now. One person go to school for seven years, right?

Starting point is 01:52:00 And then they can be in the field continuing to research it for like 30 more years. You know, they believe something that 99.99% of their peers believe then somebody else reads like one article or what is one video by someone who sites no legitimate sources and then believes the opposite. That's just not logical. A wonderful smart ass James Roberts posted quote from one of the debaters, the doctor doesn't know your child as much as you do. And then James writes, you know what he does, no, Karen? The human body. Exactly, holy shit.

Starting point is 01:52:35 User Bubbado, cracked my shit up also, posting vaccinated kids are actually much more likely to have autism because unvaccinated kids are all dead. So dark, that's so fucking funny to me. Oh, I'm gonna read that again. Vaccinated kids are much more likely to have autism because unvaccinated kids are all dead. 55 replies to Bubba Doe. The first is from Billy Parker

Starting point is 01:53:00 who claims to be autistic. Billy posts, L-O-L-Good one. I am autistic, but my autism showed before I was vaccinated. So the anti-vax community doesn't have much of an explanation there, LOL. And then user, so done, who comments next,

Starting point is 01:53:15 does not think Boba Doe is funny. Replying with all caps, it's always the all caps with this crowd. Lies! You people live eat and breathe lies. But of course, no link to anything, you know, backs up so done. So please, no one responds to Jeff sweet's comments. This next comment because he seems to be needed and his comment makes no sense. Right. What about the fact vaccines don't hold lifelong immunity L LOL, and well under 50%.

Starting point is 01:53:45 That's a fuck up, Jeff. Just tell by the way you wrote that, you need to get a little more educated. If a particular vaccine doesn't immunize you for life, that doesn't make it worthless, that's a ridiculous argument. Just means you need to get vaccinated, more to be protected. Getting vaccinated a few times is way better than getting dead one time.

Starting point is 01:54:03 You dipshit. Kevin Backestown kills me posting, you know what, never gets old on vaccinated kids. Hey, oh dead, Kevin. Oh, dead. That is, ah, there's some good shit this, this thread. You know what, never gets old on vaccinated kids. Such good dark jokes. Evelyn doesn't care for this joke, responds with, I'm 15 and not vaccinated. My brother's 20 and is not vaccinated. Both of us are very healthy. I suppose you're going to say, oh well, you're lucky then, just like you said, countless times to other people.

Starting point is 01:54:36 Yeah, Evelyn, that's what he should say, because that's the fucking truth. You're lucky that one of the lethal diseases you have not been vaccinated for has it made contact with you because if it did way higher odds, it's going to fucking kill you. You jackass want to punch your parents and their stupid fucking faces right now. And then that one anti social gal hits a logic grand slam, shutting down the hundreds of comments from people like Evelyn.

Starting point is 01:55:02 If you use the fact that they're unvaccinated alive and proof that vaccines are necessary, she posts, everyone needs to know that anecdotal evidence isn't proper evidence. You cannot prove that you got sick more often using vaccines. You cannot prove that you stop getting sick when you stop vaccinating. You cannot prove that you're perfectly healthy without vaccines.

Starting point is 01:55:20 Your personal and easily made-up experiences are not evidence. The statistics of deaths from various diseases before vaccines easily shuts down anecdotal evidence. Fucking boom upper deck. Love it, anti social gal. Well said, Hill Nimrod. I thought about ending the edits on that one, but that's not an idiotic statement. You know, it's wonderful.

Starting point is 01:55:42 The reply to this next comment is idiotic and way too common in this threat. First, reverse Viper Post, why do we have to stop having all vaccines because a child had a one in a million allergic reaction to the vaccine? And then user so done, oh, miss all caps is back. Maybe Mr. all caps.

Starting point is 01:56:02 Why did I say miss? I don't fucking know that. I'll beat myself up out of the show. I'll self-legulate after the show for that error. So done is back. This time riding, you'd think differently if that one child was your child. You know when you might think differently, so done, when you don't risk a one-in-a-million chance at an allergic reaction and then your kid fucking dies from a disease of vaccine would have given them a 99% plus chance of surviving. You're not looking at the big picture so done. Pull your head out of your ass. Step back, take all the info in. Use some fucking logic use some fucking logic instead of being an overly emotional idiot of the internet. Idiots, I'll be into that, into that.

Starting point is 01:56:54 Okay, now that I've been naughty, I'm very opinionated, which I will always be on this subject because it deserves that. I'm going to read an article titled, In Defense of the Common Anti-Vaxor. Very well-written, short piece, written by Renee F. Nayera, a medical-based scientist. Renee Beggeance, this is just a great emotional appeal to concerned and loving anti-vaxxer parents,

Starting point is 01:57:18 anti-vaxxers in general. Renee Begeance, as someone who works in public health, few issues catch my attention like the issue of vaccine denialism. I have had the opportunity to investigate out breaks of vaccine preventable diseases and seen some very interesting and even heartbreaking cases.

Starting point is 01:57:35 Why someone would take the chance to have their child sick or even permanently disabled by a vaccine preventable disease is beyond me. As a father, I want to protect my child from any and all harms, and few harms are as scary as the disability from polio, the scarring from chickenpox, the brain injury from measles. And that's another thing I didn't really touch on.

Starting point is 01:57:57 I talked about deaths. There's a lot of other bad outcomes from these diseases. And don't get me started on the true risk of death from influenza. On the other hand, I started to understand vaccine hesitant parents when I became a parent. Just like I want to protect my child from vaccine preventable diseases, I also worried about the dangers in her environment. My wife and I were very diligent about not letting her put everything

Starting point is 01:58:18 in her mouth. When the exterminator came to our home to deal with an ant infestation, I quizzed them on the insecticide they were using. I researched the insecticides ingredients, and I even opted for something more natural in dealing with the ants first. When I didn't work, we did go with the recommended non-toxic insecticide. Just like we were hesitant about that insecticide to deal with a problem at home, I came to see how some parents could be hesitant about vaccines. Not only that, but a large swath of the population in the United States has not seen a case of

Starting point is 01:58:48 measles, or even chickenpox now. So the dangers posed by these diseases is not visible to them. In fact, there has not been a case of polio in the United States for as long as I've been alive. When you combine the desire to protect your offspring with the invisibility of vaccine preventable diseases because vaccines have been successful in preventing them from coming back and mass, you get people who are hesitant about vaccines. Some of them are hesitant to the point of outright opposing vaccines and I understand

Starting point is 01:59:18 that. These are the common anti-vaccine people. The people who are misinformed and are going on their gut instinct of protecting their child. These are not the people with medical degrees or scientific background who've turned against medicine and science and deny the science behind how vaccines work. These are also not the people who make money writing books and giving lectures about the perceived dangers of vaccines.

Starting point is 01:59:42 I further understand their hesitancies and fears when I see how difficult it is to understand risks and probabilities when humans are all about basing our decisions on past experiences more than on making calculations. Just look at how many of us have gone to buy a lottery ticket, especially when the jackpot source. There is a better chance that we will become an astronaut, but we still think that we'll be billionaires come morning. When I was researching the ingredients of insecticides to use during the ant infestation, I had the benefit of being a scientist when sorting between the good and bad information online.

Starting point is 02:00:14 Other people don't have that benefit. They go online, do a Google search, look at the most popular results based on an algorithm and get led astray by celebrities or by people and organizations with titles that sound official. Before too long, their fears are confirmed and they are scared away from vaccinating their children. Add up enough of these parents and we get some and we get some of the problems we're seeing across the country. We see the Arizona Department of Health backing off from teaching kids about vaccines.

Starting point is 02:00:42 We see outbreaks of measles in communities with high rates of unvaccinated children. We see pseudo-political organizations pressuring candidates to deny or defund science. When it comes to protecting their children, no one wants to do more than a parent. After all, children are quite literally our future because we'll fade away and know we the ones to carry on our work and carry with them our memories.

Starting point is 02:01:04 As a result, we are very protective, skeptical of anything to get hurt them. Some of us have the benefit of knowing and understanding scientific principles of toxicology, immunology, epidemiology, and biostatistics. I got those ones. Feeling good. Others among us understand that experts, truly are experts, and that celebrities are not the best source of information. Yet there is a growing segment of the population that is misinformed and coaxed into making

Starting point is 02:01:29 harmful decisions for their children without knowing it. This is where the history of vaccines website comes in, which is where this was posted. We have a wide variety of informational resources to show that vaccines have been around long enough for us to know that they work and that they save lives. We know this is not just by hearing about it in historical items, but also from the scientific observations made on them. If you haven't already, take a look at some of our image galleries or follows on Instagram or the very informative timeline. Finally, if you have concerns about vaccination, please seek the advice of a licensed healthcare provider who will be able to talk to you about your medical history and take everything into contact when advising you on vaccines. Thank you, Renee, that

Starting point is 02:02:14 was wonderful. And again, that comes from, if you want to go check it out yourself and check out more about historyofacstines.org, but yeah, that was fantastic. So I can't think of anything to add. I think I've said everything that, you know, I just repeat myself, which I've already done a little bit, just vaccinations, get them, get them from your kids. I know you're coming from a good place, but man, do the research, get online,

Starting point is 02:02:34 really dig into the science, you know, go to legitimate websites, don't be, please don't go to that paranoid conspiracy place in your head where it's like you can't trust science because science has tied to the government and the government is all trying to trick us all the time. I've talked about so much, but it really isn't logical to think that a few examples of the government tricking us does not mean they're all trying to trick us all the time. Please help us keep all our kids alive.

Starting point is 02:02:59 Hell, Nimrod, time for top five takeaways. Time, suck, top five takeaways. Number one, although many believe that the medical industrial complex is conspiring to make people sick for money, the reality is that doctors get their own kids vaccinated. Why would they do that if it was one big trick? Do they hate their own kids? Are they dumber than Jenny McCarthy and Jim Carrey? I think you know the answer to that.

Starting point is 02:03:24 Number two, brilliant people working over many years develop possibly the most important medical science breakthrough of all time, the vaccine, and they developed many ways to implement them. They often did so at great risk to themselves and their families because these, excuse me, because of these risks, we now have the chance to live until we're somewhere around 80. Thank you, brilliant people. Number three, the anti-vax crowd is not full of experts.

Starting point is 02:03:45 There are way more experts on the pro-vaccination side of the argument, like almost all of them. The fact that Jenny McCarthy, a meat sack with intellectual credibility of Tila Tequila is the most famous figure in this movement says a lot about the movement. Number four, when it comes to fearing for your kids' health, I fucking get it. We all get it.

Starting point is 02:04:02 Being a parent is all about tough decisions, meant to benefit your children. The last thing that Earth and most parents want to do is have a medical procedure done that's going to harm their kids, which is why you should get your kids vaccinated. The risk of severe adverse reactions to the MMR vaccine, about one in a million. While one out of 500 kids will die from the measles, right? If they get it 20 times, that number will die in more in Poverse countries if they get it.

Starting point is 02:04:25 If you're on the fence about this, let the math set you free. Number five, new info. Did you know that anti-vaxxers paid for a study that ended up accidentally debunking their own premise? The autism advocacy organization Safe Minds recently funded research. It hoped would prove vaccines cause autism in children, but this effort backfired for the organization since the study shows a link between autism and vaccines does

Starting point is 02:04:48 not exist. Ouch. Had to sting a little bit. Between 2003 and 2013, safe minds provided scientists from the University of Texas Southwestern School of Medicine, the University of Washington, the Johnson Center for Child Health and Development and other research institutions with approximately $250,000 to conduct a long-term investigation evaluating behavioral behavioral and brain changes of baby resuscic macaques, little monkeys that were administered a standard course of childhood vaccines, safe minds hope to find a link between vaccinations and cognitive disorders akin to autism in this monkey population. They did not.

Starting point is 02:05:24 Should have spent that quarter million dollars vaccinating kids in third world countries, saved a bunch of lives and said, needlessly fucking with a bunch of monkeys. Time suck, tough five takeaways. The anti-vaxxers has officially been sucked. By the time you're hearing this part of the episode, I'm sure several listeners have already unsubscribed.

Starting point is 02:05:44 And several angry emails have been sent in, but I fucking had to do this. Sorry, not sorry, the science reveals what the science reveals, not gonna back down from that, the math doesn't lie. I'd be lying if I said arriving at either side of this debate was totally cool. I don't think it's totally cool to be an anti-vaxxer.

Starting point is 02:06:01 However, if you're still an anti-vaxxer, I also don't think you're an idiot. I just think you're very misguided. Thank you to the TimeSuck team. Thanks to Queen of the Suck, Lindsey Cummins, High Priest of the Suck, Harmony Velocamp, Jesse Gardiner of Grammar Dobner, Reverend Dr. Joe Motherfuck and Paisley,

Starting point is 02:06:15 TimeSuck High Priest, Alex Duvin, the guys at Biddelixer, Axis Apparel. Thanks to Zach, Scripp Keeper Flannery, for killing it with a ton of great research and sources this week. Also thanks to Sophie, Facts, Source for his Evansannery for killing it with a ton of great research and sources this week also thanks to Sophie fact Source for his Evans for also killing it with so much more amazing research Yeah, the team really came together to do a good job. I think for this episode join the Colt the Curious Facebook group

Starting point is 02:06:37 If you want to meet and converse with other suckers join the time suck discord group for even more interaction Link in the episode description for both groups next week gonna probably piss the more people off maybe some fringy people the someone to show getting weird with the ninth circle cult suck which is more of a conspiracy are European royals killing naked kids for fun hunting them on a private game reserve like Robert Hanson like he hunted women on private game reserves probably not not. This conspiracy is insane. It led to the Pope Francis rapes and murders kids on the regular. Sacrifices or souls to Satan.

Starting point is 02:07:10 It led to the Satanic child sacrifice rituals. Took place during the spring of 2019, spring of 2010, and the countryside of Holland and Belgium. And it's a good excuse to look into some real pedophile rings. You know, like the Catholic church, like the pedophile scandals. Also Jeffery Epstein, gonna get dark, gonna get weird next week is gonna be an interesting ride. Hope you join me.

Starting point is 02:07:31 Now let's get to some interesting messages on today's time sucker updates. Time sucker fellow comic worked with years ago in South Dakota. Phil Johnson writes in with some good news about some good people helping the homeless. Hey, Dan. Just finishing listening to your episode on the homeless problem, nicely done. Thought I'd tell you about one of our comedy brethren here in San Jose, California, doing some good for the homeless. Comedian Pete Munoz has been running a weekly open mic at a bar here in town for years, a thankless task in itself, yeah, I bet. They collect tips from the audience at the show like a lot of open mics, but instead of

Starting point is 02:08:13 doling out a few music bucks each comic, Pete, with everybody's consent, uses them on it to buy sleeping bags and distribute them to the homeless in our area. Those comics won't miss the five or 10 bucks from the tip jar, but a lot of people are sleeping more comfortably because of the folks at that mic. Man, thanks for all the great episodes, and I hope we end up in the same town sometime soon. Phil, hail Nimrod Phil, man, comics given back.

Starting point is 02:08:36 That is so great. I love it. Given laughter, giving a sleeping back to the homeless. Thank you, Pete Munoz, man, thank you, Phil, for bringing this to my attention. And yes, I hope our paths cross soon. Time, soccer, Colton Hardy sends in one of my favorite kind of updates because I'm in six, the, the statistics on the bitch. One that involves me putting

Starting point is 02:08:54 one of you time suckers in an terribly embarrassing public situation. Colton writes, damn, Lucifer, I'm a biochemist at Utah State University and was driving into the parking garage. I was listening to the last tech suck and rolled down my window to open the gate into the garage. A group of colleagues were walking out and walked by my car as you entertain the idea of stringed instrument makers detailing their creations with their own come. You son of a bitch!

Starting point is 02:09:27 The looks of horror! I just slowly rolled away. Thanks for that one, Dan. Loving the podcast. Keep on suckin' cold and hearty. Oh, God. I can picture that so vividly in my mind. I bet you got some looks, Colton.

Starting point is 02:09:42 And especially like in Utah, there are, you know, there's a high percentage of people that are extremely socially conservative. Ah, I can't imagine what they're thinking. It is here just me coming out of your vehicle and talking about people back in, you know, ancient, they're not ancient, but in Italy, hundreds of years ago, just fucking jerking off on violin,

Starting point is 02:10:03 so for and over again, rubbing the comment too. Oh, man, it doesn't sound like we probably got some new listeners in that situation, but I got a laugh. I remember that email, clearly. Just last, glad you enjoyed the show. Energy in a little tidbit about the black doll you sat coming in from Times like a Chris Nolan, Chris writes, Hey, master sucker, I just got done listening to the episode in Elizabeth Short.

Starting point is 02:10:24 And when I got off work, I was telling my grandpa about it. I started off my story by saying, I listened to a podcast about a 1947 murder today, and before I could say anything else, he said, that was my mom's cousin. Not saying a name or anything yet. I asked if he meant Elizabeth's short. Turns out my great grandma was born around the same time as short, and her maiden name was in fact short. Keep on sucking Chris. Man, a small world. Now I ask a grandpa of he knows who killed her.

Starting point is 02:10:55 Helping definitively solve this case would be, you know, pretty cool update. If you can swing it. If not, thank you for sending that in. Uh, yeah, I love hearing things like that. Finally, time sucker Nick Parker sends in an inspirational email about the meat sacability to overcome devastating personal tragedy with the subject line of you suck ass, you shit swizzler. Nick writes, dear Dan or captain of the sacred Muscat Labias, first of all, you do not suck ass. I just wanted to use a catchy attention grabber. I hope it worked. LOL did work. Anyways, I would like to tell you of a tale of tragedy and triumph and how you and what you do with your comedy ultimately save me and help me get you

Starting point is 02:11:31 one of the hardest things I've ever faced in my life. Now, this might get long-winded and I do apologize, but here goes. In September of 2017, I was at Marine Week for the Marine Corps. I've been in it for 10 years now and I'm currently in the reserves out of Detroit. Well, I was lucky enough to be granted free tickets to the Lions game, they were playing the Card Corps. I've been in it for 10 years now and I'm currently in the reserves out of Detroit. Well, I was lucky enough to be granted free tickets to the Lions game. They were playing the

Starting point is 02:11:48 Cardinals. After the game, I was walking with my buddies to B-Dubs and I ran into the most amazing, beautiful, sweet, four-foot-9-inch woman. Yes, I said four-foot-9-inch. She was everything I have ever wanted in a woman. I fell in love immediately with her and who she was. Well, fast forward to February of 2018, all roads are heading towards marriage, me proposing later in the year. Well, the Monday before Valentine's Day, her dad has a really bad stroke. And on Tuesday, she takes him in and finds out he had an ischemic stroke. Wednesday morning, Valentine's day, he wakes up, kills her mom, kills her, and then turns the gun on himself.

Starting point is 02:12:28 Man, dude. I went a whole day before knowing what had happened. She lives over two hours for me. Well, Thursday, her friend got ahold of me and told me the news. When things like this happened, people always use the expression my whole world came crashing down. It quite literally did for me. I was so heartbroken and in shock, the one person I thought I'd have for my entire life was gone, I was alone. I still miss Katie more than anything. But that's where you come in and how you saved me. I didn't know where I was going or what to do. So I've been working the same meaningless job day in and day out. A few months after this happened, I tried listening to Tom's to girl radio on Pandora where your comedy comes up, and I've been a long time fan of your work and comedy,

Starting point is 02:13:08 I would listen to your comedy all the time on YouTube, every platform I could try and feel better. Ultimately, he was working. I was feeling low, and your comedy helped bring me back. One day, listening to your comedy and Pandora, I heard an ad for your podcast. First of all, I'm sorry, I failed as a fan to not know yet a podcast. Tiss, tiss, I know, I'm a terrible marketer. Well, something told me to click, so I did, I had to check it out. I told you of the tragedy, so here comes the triumph. I've almost caught up with every episode, and I especially have gravitated towards the true crime ones and learning about all the serial killers.

Starting point is 02:13:38 I had a realization that not only like this subject, I'm actually very passionate about learning all I can, and that's why this fall, I will be double majoring in criminology and psychology in hopes that when I graduate, I can become an FBI profiler for the BAU and ICISU. I apologize again for this being so long-winded, but I had to share my story with you. And if it weren't for you and what you do, I would never have realized that I could be passionate about this subject. Again, I love all you've done and created this podcast. You truly are a gift to our advisor.

Starting point is 02:14:05 I'm very appreciative of all you've done for me. And the rest of us in the cold to curious, thank you, Dan, from the bottom of my heart, respectively sent by your faithful times lover, Nick PS. I happened to bond 216.5% Muscat Labias. I'm not sure of your standards, but will these suffice for shirts? Now, we can use that.

Starting point is 02:14:22 We can use, we're low, we're almost out of Muscat Labias right now. Also, for the love of God, please stop going to the asshole of Ohio, Cleveland. Sorry, Lindsey. Come to Toledo, please. Thank you and keep on sucking. Holy shit, Nick. I finished this suck up about 2.30 in the morning last night before getting up at 6.30

Starting point is 02:14:41 to record. I was exhausted, but then I read this and I got a little second wind. I truly work extra hard on these sucks because I just, I was exhausted. But then I read this and I got a little second-wind. I truly work extra hard on these sucks, because I just, stories like this, I don't know, I feel like a responsibility, I don't wanna let you listen to this down and wanna do my best to try not to do that.

Starting point is 02:14:52 There's so much sadness in the world, so much ignorance. And a lot of that ignorance leads to more sadness. And I wanna do the best job I can to add some laughing and some learning to make this planet a little more fun to be stuck on. And just good for you for having the incredible strength to push past what you went through. That would have broken some people. And now you didn't let it break you.

Starting point is 02:15:15 You're chasing your dreams. You didn't let tragedy crush you. Now you can potentially become a pro-filer and you can catch some dirt bag son of a bitch who is about to take somebody else's love away. Your path can lead you to spare others, a pain similar to the pain that you felt and I don't think a job can get any nobler than that. I don't think you, you know, the path you're on can really be any nobler.

Starting point is 02:15:39 Lastly, I'm heading to Cleveland next year. Sorry, you know, I do like it. I do like Cleveland quite a bit, sorry. I probably will make it to Toledo. So take a road trip already for the love of Nimrod. Drive on over to the former factory of SETS, maybe take into Brown's game. I'm hoping those fuckers light it up this year.

Starting point is 02:15:58 Thank you for sending that in. Thank you for being who you are. Hail Nimrod to you. Thanks, time suckers. I need a net. We all did. Have a great week, meat sacks. Don't die of any diseases. We already have a readily accessible vaccines for.

Starting point is 02:16:14 If you puke yourself to some kind of swine fluid to theory a death, how the fuck are you supposed to keep up with SUCKING? the most second hey joe uh... one of the bathroom for the show i was uh... shitting out nothing but pure blood and i uh... i took a little quick temperature test on the fever of a hundred and fifteen is that bad that's bad

Starting point is 02:16:43 thank you thanks thanks doctor joe and fifteen is that bad? That's bad. Thank you. Thanks, thanks Dr. Joe.

Timesuck with Dan Cummins - 152 - The Anti-Vaccination Movement

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