Timesuck with Dan Cummins - 208 - The Titanic: Its Sinking and the Conspiracies That Surround It

Episode Date: September 7, 2020

The Titanic sank in the early hours of April 15th, 1912. The luxury cruise liner that some thought of as being “unsinkable” turned out to be very, very sinkable. After smashing into an iceberg on its starboard side, it took less than three hours for the Titanic to become completely submerged, and over 1500 people would be dead. And then the Titanic would remain, undisturbed, on the ocean floor, for over seven decades. So much interesting info to cover today! We’ll look at how the Titanic was designed and built, plus meet some of the people who traveled on it and some of the brave crew that manned the ship in its final moments. We’ll go minute-by-minute through the tragedy in today’s Timesuck Timeline and then we’ll step out and look into some wild conspiracy theories that some people have cooked up over the years to explain the Titanic’s sinking. Did J. P. Morgan sink the Titanic to kill off some millionaire rivals? So much interesting information to dissect on this sea-faring, ahoy-matey, conspiracy-laden edition of Timesuck. Donating $7000 (-ish, exact amount tbd) to the SBP. Founded in 2006 by a couple in St. Bernard Parish, its model is focused on streamlining the recovery process, which includes quickly rebuilding homes and restoring local businesses, and supporting policies that aid long-term recovery. Go to https://sbpusa.org/ to donate, volunteer, or find out more. Watch the Suck on YouTube: https://youtu.be/hJe-MQuM98Y Merch - https://badmagicmerch.com/ Discord! https://discord.gg/tqzH89v COTC private FB Group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/cultofthecurious/ For all merch related questions: https://badmagicmerch.com/pages/contact Please rate and subscribe on iTunes and elsewhere and follow the suck on social media!! @timesuckpodcast on IG and http://www.facebook.com/timesuckpodcast Wanna become a Space Lizard? We're over 9500 strong! Click here: https://www.patreon.com/timesuckpodcast Sign up through Patreon and for $5 a month you get to listen to the Secret Suck, which will drop Thursdays at Noon, PST. You'll also get 20% off of all regular Timesuck merch PLUS access to exclusive Space Lizard merch. You get to vote on two Monday topics each month via the app. And you get the download link for my new comedy album, Feel the Heat. Check the Patreon posts to find out how to download the new album and take advantage of other benefits

The Titanic, I'm guessing you've heard of it, a massive passenger cruise liner that sailed across the Atlantic Ocean, almost in mid-April of 1912. The Titanic sank in the early hours of April 15, 1912. The luxury cruise liner that some thought of as being unsinkable turned out to be very, very sinkable. And for smashed into an iceberg on a starboard side, it took less than three hours for the Titanic

to become completely submerged, eventually coming to rest at a depth of roughly 12,500 feet underwater. Just a few hours before, its pastures have been enjoying music, dancing, state of the art amenities, and wonderful food and drink aboard the most technologically advanced ship of their time. And now it's confused and traumatized passengers, those who still lived, sat in one of just 24 lifeboats, nowhere near enough to have saved all those who were aboard the ship and roughly 1500 people would perish.

After disappearing into the cold, dark waters of the Atlantic that fateful April night, and then the Titanic would remain undisturbed on the ocean floor for over seven decades. No one could find it. Not that they didn't try. People had all kinds of ideas about how to raise the ship back up to the surface once they did find it. And most of the ideas were terrible, like filling it up with ping pong balls and just floating it up. So much interesting information to cover today.

We'll look at how the Titanic was designed and built meet some of the people who traveled on it, some of the brave crew that manned the ship in its final moments, and we'll go minute by minute through the tragedy in today's time suck timeline. Then we'll step out of the timeline to look into some wild conspiracy theories that people have cooked up over the years to explain the Titanic sinking, even though it hit an iceberg, already gives it, you know, a perfectly reasonable sinking explanation, or does it? Did JP Morgan use the Titanic to kill off some millionaire rivals? So much interesting information to dissect today.

So put on your first class dance and shoes, light up a cigar, and listen to the Big Band play, as we dive into the seafaring, a hoi-mati, conspiracy-laden addition of Time Suck. To talk stuff Hail Nimrod meat sacks. Hail Luciferna praise both jangles and glory be to triple M Welcome to the cult of the curious I'm Dan Cummins shrubs shrubs slet lover Suck master uncle talk and frequent legal client of the law office of Chase camper and cruel and you are listening to time suck. Hope you're having a nice start your week or nice end your week or enjoying a nice mid week. I can't possibly know when you're listening.

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before departing for Yellowstone. Excited to get outside in a different scenic area for a few days with the fam. Hopefully none of us are eaten by geyser bears. Some new kind of bear that crawl up out of geysers. Don't bother googling it. It's pretty new and maybe is made up. But anyway, I know we've had a variety

of natural disasters affecting various parts of America recently and we can't help them all. But we can donate roughly $7,000 this month to SBP, originally named St. Bernard Project founded in 2006 by a couple in St. Bernard Parish, just outside New Orleans, frustrated by the slow response after Hurricane Katrina. It's model is focused on streamlining the recovery process for natural disasters, specifically mainly hurricanes, which includes quickly rebuilding homes, restoring local businesses, supporting policies that aid long-term recovery. They don't just help in Louisiana, they help in portions of Texas, and other parts of the Gulf Coast as well, and they're helping right now in the wake of Hurricane Laura.

God bless the good people of the SBP. I know I don't often say that, but it felt right today. And I look forward to sending money their way. Uh, this coming week when they, when the podcast drops, thanks to all of the Patreon supporters for being a part of this donation. And you can go to S B P USA dot org to donate volunteer or to find out more. And now let's get to a topic. Uh, that actually is related to our charity of the month, quite a bit thinking of the Titanic didn't have shit to do with the Gulf Coast, but it had everything to do with mother nature, mother fucking some fellow human beings.

What we get into today's timeline, that we'll focus first on the sinking of the big ship, and then later on efforts to both find this wreckage and salvage it, let's find out just exactly how impressive a ship Titanic was. Learn a little bit about how the transatlantic passenger ship industry worked. Take a look at the Titanic's luxurious amenities, what it cost to buy. Take it back in 1912 and meet some of its famous passengers and crew. Then after the timeline, we have some photos and pretty wild theories about what really

happened with the Titanic, damn you illuminati. On the early 1900s, the transatlantic passenger trade was highly profitable and competitive. People from all over Europe were pouring into America to both vacation and perhaps more often immigrate to the States to start new lives. Multiple shiplines vie to transport wealthy travelers and immigrants, the regerman, French, Italian liners and more. Britain had the biggest fleets by far.

It's almost like the UK has some kind of history, several hundred years deep of being really, really good at traveling around the world and boats or something. The two biggest British lines with a white star line and the Cunard line. In the summer of 1907, the Cunard line founded in Liverpool in 1840 by Samuel Cunard, a British Canadian shipping magnet born in Halififax, stepped up, it's you know, a game with the debut of two new ships, the Lucidtania and the Moritania, which were scheduled to enter into service later that year. These two ships garnered a lot of media attention for their elegance and expected speed, and they were fast. Both with later set speed

records crossing the Atlantic Ocean, the Moritania could take 2,300 people across the Atlantic in just four and a half days. 30 years later, the Queen Mary, whose rumored hauntings are covered on my scared to death, paranormal podcasts later this week, Cross promo! We cut that travel time down to just four days. And how long had it taken to cross the Atlantic prior to these new steamships? Way too long for a guy like me who gets violently ill at sea. When their water gets even a little bit choppy, no matter how much anti-motion sickness medication I take. I took the Mayflower 66 days to sail across the Atlantic in 1620. Fuck that. I would have probably died by the 10th day, possibly due to other passengers throwing me overboard,

because it couldn't handle the volume of vomit. I was constantly tossing about the ship. Nine and a half week journey. Nope. Guess I will stay in Europe and struggle. On the 1700s, Swift or Saleships shortened the trip to six weeks. I'm still dead. I'm still a month and a half. After the advent of steamships, steamships, in 1807, the travel time will be cut down to

14 days by 1845. Two weeks. Still no thank you. By 1952, it will be cut down to three and a half days, as I said earlier. I'm alive and not happy. But by 1952, passing your ship speed didn't really matter that much. Commercial air travel had already put some nails into the coffin of transatlantic ship travel.

People today still go on cruises, of course, but not as a way to get somewhere as quickly as possible. 1939, Pan American inaugurated the first transatlantic passenger flight between New York and Marseille, France took 22 hours, 39 minutes, cost $375. Not as cheap as the Queen Mary's third class ticket fare of $93, but a lot cheaper than Queen Mary's $663 first class ticket. And soon commercial flight prices would drop and it would be both cheaper and faster than taking a boat. And then buy by massive transatlantic passenger liners. Now by the way, you can fly from New York City to Paris, France

in under seven and a half hours. What a world we live in. But back in 1907, steamships were still king. They didn't know they only had a few decades left to enjoy their heyday. Back in 1907, there waships were still king. They didn't know they only had a few decades left to enjoy their heyday. Back in 1907, there was still a lot of money to be made in fairy and pastures back and forth across the Atlantic. And as I said, Qnard had just launched two new spectacular ships.

Without something to equal or surpass them, the white star line would quickly fall behind. The white star line was actually named the Oceanic Steam Navigation Company. But since that name sucks, they became more commonly known as the White Star Line. I want to point that out before Bojangles at timesockpodcast.com is flooded with emails from the many, many transatlantic passenger line historians who undoubtedly listen to this show. Put your captains hats back on, take your fingers off the keyboard. The White Star Line had been founded five years after Cunard in 1845, also in Liverpool. The White Star Chairman in 1907, J. Bruce Ismay reportedly met with

William Peary, who ran the Bell-Fash ship building firm, Harland and Wolf. Harland and Wolf, I constructed most of the White Star's vessels, and Ismay wanted Peary to step shit up. So he put a knife to the man's throat and he demanded a bigger, faster ship, or he would quote, turn Peary's wife and children into a fucking stew before sledding his throat and then stuffing the man's family into the hole he had just made. At least that is what someone told me he did, but that person didn't seem very stable. Actual legitimate sources say the two men got along just fine. And knew that if they put their heads together, they could come up with something more luxurious than Qnards two new ships

They devised a plan to build a class of large liners that would be known primarily for their comfort instead of their speed They figured that pastures will be okay taking a bit longer to cross the sea if they could do it in style It was eventually decided that three vessels will be constructed the Olympic the Titanic and then later the Britannic The Britannic was also doomed. It would be completed in 1915, built to be even safer than the Titanic, and then hit by a German mine, or I guess it hit a German mine, and sank into the Aegean Sea in 1916. The largest liner sunk in all of World War I.

Still the largest passenger ship on the ocean floor. And by the way, liner means a large ship built to carry passengers, usually in luxurious and comfortable surroundings on long trips. There are different, the different from ship used for the transport of raw materials or military ships, just for civilian transportation. A lot of merit time vocabulary in this episode meets X. I'll try and define these seafaring vocab terms as they come.

On March 31st, 1909, some three months after work began on the Olympic, the keel was laid for the Titanic, and a keel is defined as the bottom most longitudinal structural element on a vessel. So essentially, the bottom. Think of it as a ship's spine. And as some other use some of sailboat, but on a steamer, let's just think bottom. The Titanic and the Olympic were built side by side, and especially constructed gantry, a giant metal thing, looks like a bridge bridge of sorts used to both build ships beneath it

and use now to load giant cargo containers onto ships. The gantry was enormous so it could accommodate the ships unprecedented sizes. The sisters ships were largely designed by Thomas Andrews of Harland and Wolf and the each cost 1.5 million pounds equivalent to $7.5 million in 1912. That's equivalent to roughly $200 million today, but inflation calculator estimates sometimes can be off and sometimes just don't work for certain products or projects. According to a 2019 Investopedia article, it would actually cost over $400 million to build this ship today.

Now big luxury liners, even more expensive, quite a bit more actually. The last couple of the Royal Caribbean's Oasis class ships, their biggest liners completed in 2010 and 2016 cost roughly $1.6 billion to build each. These new ships quite a bit bigger than the Titanic was. The Royal Caribbean's harmony of the seas, almost 1200 feet long, the Titanic was just a few inches short of being 883 feet long. Almost three standard football fields also weighed roughly 50,000 tons and was the biggest passenger ship in the world when it debuted in 1912. The bridge deck extended 550 feet, passenger accommodation and public areas were located on the promenade, bridge, shelter, saloon, upper, middle, and lower decks.

The other three were reserved for the crew, cargo, and machinery, the boat, and the promenade decks were above the superstructure of the ship. If you really want to get a feel for how all this looked, and I do recommend this, check out Britannica.com's diagram of the Titanic. Link in the episode notes available on the Time Suck app. Do a word search for diagram to find the link in the notes It's super cool just to put it all on perspective The Titanic and its sister ship the Olympic could each carry 3,295 people

2,435 passengers plus a crew of 860 the Olympic by the way just slightly smaller than the Titanic and would they view a bit earlier Launching a 1911 and running all the way until 1935 when it was sold for scrap metal. The only ship of the trio to never sink, unless you're a conspiracy theorist, then it did sink, but the Titanic never did. More on that later. If you're not a conspiracy theorist,

you understand that it was completely demolished by 1937. The largest current ship in the world is the Royal Caribbean's Symphony of the Sea. It debuted in 2018 has 22 restaurants, 42 bars, an ice rink, a zip line and more. You can hold up to 6,680 passengers and a 2200 person crew. Little over twice as many total person capacity as a Titanic. So enormous. How much bigger are these ships going to get?

What do they have? Little freeways on them. You can drive like golf carts or ATVs or something. And then you can be on a ship in the middle of the ocean and still complain about traffic. While the Titanic was only slightly bigger than the Olympic, it had far more amenities than its sister ship. The Titanic featured amenities that we now take for granted

on Cruises, but it'd never been before seen on a passenger ship. Among them were swimming pools, Turkish bath, squash courts, a gym, first class public rooms, included a dining saloon, reception room, restaurant lounge, reading and writing room, smoking room, veranda cafes and palm courts.

The goal of the Titanic was to blow passengers away with size and luxury. The designers were so interested in making the ship look spectacular, it even had a giant fake smoke stack. One of its huge smoke stacks was just a prop. Only three of the four smoke stacks were functional. The extra one was built just to make the ship look more impressive, which is so funny to me.

Like, did that forest stack really help move tickets? Did it really make any difference at all? I'll admit in old photos, the four stack does look pretty cool. But if it only had three, I seriously doubt I'd think like, eh, eh, eh, whatever. I don't know what the big deal was with this fucking rinky dink three stack ship. And I highly doubt anyone would have not bought a ticket. Rubbish in public hook. I thought the ship was supposed to be some kind of next level liner.

Look my dear, only three stacks. I have no simp. You will not pull over the the wool over these people's jeep us creep us. I wonder if that was the owners call and the designers just had to go with it. You know, like they're in no way. It's like, what a fake stack. It's a fucking stupid. I know, but this may want to he's signing the checks. He said, and I quote, put the four stack on the Titanic, then watch me shove it right up. Q and R's ass.

Now let's talk about what kind of tickets you could buy for the Titanic. Passengers were separated by class immediately upon arrival into first, second, third, fourth class. There were 689 passengers in first class, 674 in second, 1,026 riff-raff. I mean, third class passengers and 502 unlucky fourth class passengers.

First up the first class pastures who obviously had the most luxurious experience. Interesting to me, this class opened to travelers back in 1912 of every race, the Jim Crow segregation that existed in America at the time did not exist in Britain and France in the same way at the same time, not saying there wasn't racism, but wasn't legalized and enforced like it was in America. The first class dining room was 114 feet long, span the full width of the ship, seated 532 passengers at once, the largest dining room ever seen on a ship. Not sure how that compares to today's cruise liner dining room. It had a hard time finding square footage for those rooms specifically, the symphony of the

seas with 23 different dining venues able to seat 5200 pastors at once. And they have a culinary staff of over 1,000. And I'll stop doing that compare and contrast now. I don't want this to come across like some kind of cruise line, infomercial. I just want to establish some comparative context for those of you who have been on cruises, which is many people. The Titanic had 15,000 bottles of ale on board, as well as 12,000 bottles of wine for a journey that was supposed to take 137 hours across the Atlantic, five days, 17 hours. The ship was also stocked with 850 bottles of liquor and 8,000 cigars back when people

smoked way more cigars. Some champagne would actually be recovered when the shipwreck was discovered in 1985. No published report has stated how many good bottles were recovered, but in 2004, six bottles of this batch were rumored to have been sold to a rich Asian collector. Similar champagne from the wreckage of a Swedish ship, the Sunken 1907 have been salvaged and sold for roughly $200,000 a bottle.

And apparently that champagne was not only still drinkable, but it was quite tasty and full of fizz. Still full of fizz after all those years. Also, musicians were performing the first class dining room, only the first and second class got to hear a full band play live music. And the first class band was bigger and better. And the first class band was expected to know 352 songs. These songs all listed in a song book,

given out to first class passengers, so they could make requests. And they had some bangers. It's so big. Yeah, that's just the tip. DJ iceberg. Welcome to Titanic FM, I'm DJ iceberg. And we're singing today's best new sounds and classic hits.

Get ready for this hot track. From 1899, it's Howard Whitney's The Mosquitoes Parade. I can't. Mosquito Parade! Who ever went there? Who ever went there? Down the lane by the river, glade mosquitoes are on parade. They have sharp and all their stings and puts them silver on their wings

through their medals, they're on their way. But not on the holiday. It's no wonder we're afraid mosquitoes on parade. What a hot track! I wonder if kids on board were annoyed by their parents requesting that one. Just father-wai, why do you always request that old song? Why can't we listen to some new stuff like Irvin Berlin's Alexander's Racktime band? Then his dad slapped him in the face. I will not tolerate such filth.

Where do you hear such vulgarity? Irvin Berlin is a flash in the pan. His music will never last. He's not capable of capturing humanity's timeless struggle with mortality embodied by the mosquitoes parade. That my boy's music. And I do know that now you really want me to sing a bit of that Irvin Berlin's Alexander ragtime band after, you know, demonstrated my vocal chops. his music. And I do know that now you really want me to sing a bit of that Irving Belenz, Alexander Racktime Band after, you know, demonstrated my vocal chops on that last little bit. So, so here's a little something I, yeah, here's a little something I cooked up. Come on in here, come on in here, Alexander's Racktime Band, come on in here, come on in here, I'm banned, come on in here, come on in here It's the best band in the land

You can play a bugle call like you never heard before So natural that you wanna go to war That's just the best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best Honey, I'm sorry about the other guy. It's hard to find somebody really do some duets with. Anyway. It's so big. Yeah, that's just the tip. DJ iceberg. You just heard Dan Cummins and who gives a shit? Singing Irving Belinda's 1911 classic

Alexander's Rack Time band. The best new sound on Titanic FM. So you know, there's that kind of stuff. So that's kind of shit. That's kind of shit people were singing. And here on the Titanic's one and only voyage, hot bangers, just like those. Except of course not sung as well,

because back then no one was able to access the elite musical training that I have, which is why I can sing in 17 different octaves and in 35 different keys and in four languages. Anyway, the back two amenities. The decor of the Titanic's dining room was top notch. I just think about somebody new listen to the show right now. I'm like, what the fuck is this?

Why did my friend recommend this show? The Titanic's dining room was, you know, a lot of painstaking research went into making sure it was the top quality. The designs were based on Hatten Hall and some other manners and Hatfield England. Prime examples of the English Jacobian style, which made use of symmetry, classical silhouettes and the color white. The chairs and tables in the dining room were made of oak,

not stained oak, actual hardwood chairs. Moving through other rooms, you might have felt like you were taking a tour of the best of European architecture. Each were decorated in different periodic styles, including Louis, the 16th, Louis the 15th, Georgian and Queen Anne. I have no idea what any of those look like. There were also exotic elements, the Titanic's first class amenities.

The Turkish bass were decorated, look like they were in some Arabian palace. The port holes were covered with carved chiro curtains so that when light showing through brilliant patterns would cover the walls and floors. The first class grand staircase was a Titanic's crowning glory, later made famous in James Cameron, blockbuster Titanic film. There were actually two grand staircases,

constructed on the Titanic, but the front staircase became the iconic symbol of the Titanic. The place where first class passengers would descend to enjoy their evening of a luxury enleisure. The staircase descended five decks from the first class passengers would descend to enjoy their evening of a luxury enleisure. The staircase descended five decks from the first class entrance to the lower accommodation decks, lounges, and dining room, obstructive polished oak, featured gilded balustrades,

and wrought iron railings. The 60-foot high, 16-feet wide staircase featured a mix of architectural influences, oak paneling, coming from English, the English William and Mary style iron work taken from French Louis the 14th The entire staircase was lit by a huge glass dome overhead, which allowed natural light to flood in and at the 4 of the grand staircase To the statue of a cherub which was later rescued from the wreck and now resides in a private collection and Found this interesting. He had 10 highly trained German shepherds Protecting the staircase from any lower class ticket holders. The dogs could sniff out the smell of calluses, motor oil,

cheap vodka, financial despair. They knew that none of those smells could possibly come from a first-class passenger. So when they caught a whiff of like sausage gravy or clothes that didn't need to be dry cleaned or fake fur, they would fucking attack. And if need be they would kill. JK, of course, JK. Uh, first class man remained in the dining room after the women left to smoke cigars and drink brandy, uh, while women retired to the reading and writing room. That room was painted in white and furnished very elegantly. There was a huge bow, uh, there are a huge bow window, excuse me, that let women look out over the enclosed promenade deck in a large ornate fireplace, provided warmth.

The ship even had a newspaper. Had the Atlantic daily bulletin was printed and posted every night in the first class smoking room. When I first read this, I immediately pictured its final headline, just a giant picture of an iceberg in a single word below. It just fuck. Along with the swimming pool in Turkish bass, first-class passioners also used Titanic's state-of-the-art gymnasium located on the boat

deck and included the usual dumbbells, rowing machines, as well as a mechanical horse and a mechanical camel. Not kidding. That was considered a good form of exercise in 1912, riding a mechanical camel. Got to keep those hip-abductors tight. Engage that cord. Don't follow that fake boat camel. I picture a 1912 personal trainer, sharing on some clients. Come on, you got this. Five more minutes. Keep sitting there.

Come on, keep sitting there. Don't get tired. Don't fall on that saddle on me, Charles Edward. You got this. You show that fake camel. You know how to ride like the wind. All the cost of usage of Nazium was one shillingilling about 25 cents to be paid to Thomas McCulley the onsite gymnasium Stuart who dressed in white flannels as a fancy-ass tile for a fitness room attendant

I'd like to introduce you to Thomas McCulley on gymnasium Stuart Now the Titanic provided 39 first-class private suites 30 on the bridge deck nine on the shelter deck The suites included bedrooms and private toilet facilities. All had up to five different rooms, two bedrooms, two wardrobe rooms, a bathroom. There were also 350 cheaper standard cabins with single beds in first class. The first class tickets ranged enormously in price from $150 for a simple birth to up to $4,350 for one of those two parlor suites. Online inflation calculators say that's equivalent to roughly $116,000 today for a trip

that was to last less than a week. You had to have some serious disposable income. If you were like $116,000 for your trip across the Atlantic, all right, I'll take two. Now let's talk about second class accommodations. Second class accommodations were spread over seven decks and were accessible by the second class grand staircase or by the elevator. Get away from that first class staircase, you second class swine.

It would make us release the hounds upon you. The Oak paneled second class dining room could seat 2,394 people at one time. The furniture was mahogany, crimson, a poultry. Second class passengers slept in what were called birth rooms, BE, RTH. The rooms were fitted in an ammo white with mahogany furniture. Still sounds pretty sweet, pretty high class. Second class tickets were $60, around $1600 today. For first and second class pastors, the Titanic and the Olympic set brand new standards for accommodation. The second class experience on the Titanic

would have been comparable to the first class experience on almost any other passenger liner. There were three separate outdoor promenade areas for second class passengers. There was a second class library and smoking room and a saloon about half the size of the first class saloon. Unlike in first class, where each passenger's rooms had their own toilets, second class bathrooms were communal,

with each bathroom shared by a few passengers. For an easy way to compare the first and second class, check out the dinner menus. The April 14, 1912 first class dinner menu was oysters, four or dervths. The second course was cream of barley soup. The third course was poached salmon with musseline sauce and cucumbers.

The fourth course was filet mignon, liones, sauteed chicken, and vegetable marrow posse. I don't even know that shit is. The fifth course was lamb with minced sauce, roast duckling with applesauce, sirloin of beef, and chateau potatoes, green peas, green carrots, rice, and other potato option. And there were four other courses. Actually five. There was, it was a 10 course menu. Another course had foie gras at fancy ass French fat and goose liver dish for dessert. There was four

options, wall door pudding, peaches and chachrousse jelly, chocolate and vanilla eclairs on French ice cream of the same day's dinner menu for second class had about half of all that. And it was not serving courses. It was presented more cafeteria style. It seems was still good. Big Taddock with sharp sauce, curry chicken, a rice spring lamb with mint sauce, roast turkey, cranberry sauce, green peas, puree of turnips, boiled and roast potatoes for dessert, wine, jelly, coconut sandwich, American ice cream, nuts and fruit. It's pretty good.

Now let's check out for comparison. The third class menu way less fancy. Big drop off. Rice soup, fresh bread, cabin biscuits. Oh, sound rough. It'll sound like something you could use to play a game of backyard baseball with after they've been out for a day. Also roast beef with brown gravy,

sweet corn, boiled potatoes. Two options for dessert and third class. There was plum pudding, and then there was go fuck yourself if you don't like plum pudding. No filet mignon, no second class meat options. Now on to third class accommodations. The general room was the heart of the third class community. It was their main meeting room, paneled in pine and finished in white with teak furniture. The dining room situated on the middle deck could see to approximately 470 pastures in each of its three sections. The pantries and galley were situated behind the dining room.

There was no proper saloon, but there was a small male's only smoking room with a bar. Sorry, ladies, Lucifina's few mean. There were over 1,000 third class passengers on the Titanic. Decorators and architects of the White Star Line knew that many of the third class pastors would be cross-needlannics to start new lives. The White Star Line wanted to, wanted them to remember the journey as a symbolic beginning of their new lives and to enjoy themselves, but the rooms comprised mainly of two to six

birth rooms, unlike third class living on other past year liners. The rooms weren't dormitory style, but were actually individual cabins, each cabin had its own sink, like second class, shared bathrooms, but only two bathtubs for a thousand passengers, one for men, one for women. Luckily, an attendant would wash this tub in between uses and so that no one would hog these bathrooms. They had a very strict no masturbation policy.

The attendant was trained to recognize the sounds of both male and female masturbation and do what was needed to put a stop to it. Oh my, that's not true. What is true is that third class passengers paid between three and eight pounds per ticket, around 40 bucks US. Which according to the inflation calculators equivalent to about a thousand bucks today, which at first sounded crazy to me.

But that includes three meals a day for a five and a half day trip. Thinking about it like that, it doesn't sound that expensive to me because it's $1,000, you know, that's like like five nights in a hotel and three meals a day and a trip across the Atlantic. All together, it sounds pretty reasonable. Now let's talk about fourth class, big drop off. Might as well start with the April 14th, 1912 fourth class dinner menu, corn, chowder, cabin biscuits, and basically some fruit, not seemed suitable for the other classes of guests. There was no dessert.

There were no individual cabins for fourth class. There was essentially some barracks down near the boilers with prison-style bunk beds, slightly better mattresses, where everyone slept in the same room. There was no bathtub for anyone, only one toilet for just over 500 people, no lunch, two meals a day with a fresh bread and butter snack service, but the bread really wasn't fresh. It was probably whatever first class hadn't eaten the night before. There was no common room. There was no saloon access at night. Men were allowed to take flasks of liquor and smoke and drink and play cards near one of the ship's boilers. Sounds

fucking terrible. The hardest part about fourth class was that you were literally locked in the lower holds of the hole for the entire duration of the trip. There was no windows. You were not allowed to come up to any of the decks for fresh air at any point. And it got really hot down in fourth class because of proximity to the boilers, the temperature would vary between about 98 and 105 degrees Fahrenheit the estimate for the entire voyage, the risk of heat stroke, very real at those temperatures. And you felt more movement than in other parts of the ship.

So sea sickness, common, I managed to smell strongly apiouk since ventilation also poor. And to save electricity to power the nighttime entertainment for first class, and because you had to share your living space with 500 other people, there was a strict lights out policy and effect between 9 p.m. and 6 a.m. You were plunged into utter and complete darkness for nine hours a day. Tickets for only two pounds each, about 10 bucks or 250 bucks in today's money. Finally, none of the fourth-class pastors would survive the sinking because no one bother to unlock the doors that led to their dungeony portion of the ship. And something had the ship not sunk.

Several of the fourth class pastors would have died anyways due to frequent and often deadly sea rat attacks. Now let's talk about the Titanic's crew. Actually, one last thing about fourth class, it's not real. There was only first, second, and third class, come on, what the flip? No one was getting locked out in the hole. That's crazy talk. An attack by sea rats and never let out to get fresh air.

But I had thought about that lie so much it became real to me as over the course of research. And I would have to catch myself and, God, that was sucked to me in fourth class. I'm like, you idiot, you're making it up. Just as the passions were divided into separate areas of the ship, the crew was also separated from the passengers.

The white star line intended that crew and pastures would not meet privately at any time during the voyage. But we'll see later, you know, they definitely would meet, due to that holy shit we are sinking situation. The engine room staff was housed on the starboard side at the forward end of the ship on the lower middle upper and saloon decks. Two spiral staircases connected their rooms to the boiler and engine rooms. Such amazes, these big ships.

As expected, for the times, there were very few women in the crew, only 23, those 23 women, part of a small, excuse me, a small part of the estimated 885 total crew members on board. And how much sexual harassment did those poor women endure? Can't imagine, it would have been fun to be a young single cute woman on a ship full of dick or maybe the most fun. It maybe had your pick of the litter. Hey, I lose the pheno. Now for a quick word about a safety feature, if you're familiar with the story of the Titanic, you have probably heard

about the claim that it was unsinkable. Why was that claim made? First off, it wasn't actually some huge public claim. It's not like there was a giant ad campaign revolving around the Titanic being literally unsinkable. That's an exaggeration, but that claim was made. And many did think it was truly unsinkable. It was called that because the ship's head designer, Thomas Andrews, made some design modifications to make it more safe than previous liners, and the new safety features were advertised. Some pastors were so certain that the ship was unsinkable that they initially remained calm as the ship literally sank.

So what were the new safety modifications? By far the biggest was 16 compartments within the hole whose doors could be shut by the flick of a switch. It was believed that the ability to quickly close off these compartments, if any of them were breached, could keep the ship afloat even if it suffered severe damage. But these compartments sadly just didn't fucking work. To be fair to Thomas Andrews, it was very hard to bait a test, something like that back in 1912 without any simulation computers.

They were of course presumed to be watertight, but the bulkheads were not kept at the top, and not a call usage of bulkhead is a dividing wall or barrier between compartments and a ship. The ship's builders claimed that four of the compartments could be flooded at once without endangering the liner's bu- uh, yeah, bu- uh, you can see. I know how to pronounce that word, but it's still tricky for me. And this advertised fact led many to claim that the Titanic was indeed unsinkable. But of course, it was pretty sinkable. Those compartments has turned out once filled up with water and all the pressure that went

along with all that water, not totally watertight, almost, but not completely. And almost watertight doesn't keep a ship from sinking nearly as well as totally water tightness. Okay, now let's meet some of the Titanic's most famous pastors. For many of them, we'll also catch up with them later in the timeline. And we'll meet some of the crew before we jump into the timeline as well. And then we'll jump into the sinking timeline. John Jacob Astor IV was not just the richest man in the Titanic, but also one of the richest men in the entire world at the time of his death. His estimated

worth of $87 million equivalent to over $2.3 billion today. Astor was the great grandson of John Jacob Astor, a fur trader and real estate investor who became a leading businessman of his day and the founder of an American fur trade dynasty. John Jacob Astor, the first open to fur shop in New York City in 1786, which would later become the American fur company, making that fur money. That is an old timey way to make a fortune if there ever was one. You know, you don't hear about a lot of fur moguls today. Fur is not nearly as much in demand today. When I googled, where do you buy fur?

I was taken first to an ad for furu.com, a company that mostly sells a product called fur oil. And fur oil is like beard oil, but for pubic hair, seriously. The product description on their website says specifically designed for pubic hair and skin are signature blend of lightweight oils, gently softens hair and clears pores for fewer ingrowns and healthier skin. And you know what, if that's what you're getting good for you, but like is there a big market for pubic hair oil? When public care oil comes up in a search for buying fur faster than actually buying fur, safe to say, not a lot of fur being sold. That being said, there is still some money in this now niche business

at Neiman Marcus. I was shocked to find this. You can buy an $87,000 Russian sable stroller coat right now. But enough fur talk. After the wealthiest man in the country at the time when selling fur could make you a true fortune died in 1848 At his death estimated to be worth about 20 million the book of which went to his son William backhouse Astrid and William son William junior was john jake up astrid the fourth father Astrid the fourth Interesting person Among Astrid's accomplishments was writing a journey in other worlds in 1894 a science fiction novel about life in the year 2000 on the planet Saturn and Jupiter. Based on reviews, it does not

seem like a real page turner doesn't seem like a sold well in his day. Amazon reviewer James Latimer gave it one star riding. I started the book. I could not connect the plot to the characters. It was a struggle to connect what the book was about and it was easier to just move on to another book that was better reading. That reviewed killed me the first time I read it. It was so hard to understand what the fuck this book was even about, I found it best to just move on to another book.

Basically it was a book written by a dude who had time to write a book because he was born wealthy and then he was able to publish a book because he was wealthy. The book itself didn't make any money. Astro also patented several inventions, including a bicycle break in 1898. This never written about any real detail, so I'm guessing it didn't actually revolutionize bicycle breaking. A vibratory disintegrator used to produce gas from Pete Moss that I'm not sure it was

ever used. You know, I hear about a lot of Pete Moss gas being harvested and he invented a pneumatic road-improver, an improved. Something else that shows up in a lot of biographical summaries, but also I don't think was ever used. So basically he was a dude who wrote a book, no one fucking cared about, and he invented shit that no one used. But he was super wealthy.

There was a perception, when he was alive, that he was an aimless deletant. He was given the nickname by one newspaper, Jack Astor. For New Yorkers in 1897, Astor had the Astoria hotel build, the world's most luxurious hotel, in New York City, adjoining the Waldorf hotel owned by Astor's cousin in Rival, William. The complex became known as the Waldorf Astoria Hotel. It is gorgeous. Awesome hotel, but I'm not impressed. He was money he was born with to build a nice hotel

that other people designed and constructed. Not gonna hook, okay, fine. Astor 47 was on the ship returning home from a month long honeymoon with his new wife, Madeline Talmage Force, who was 18, 20 years younger than him. Of course he was 18. And before I move on to that, actually,

I know I'm doggin' this guy, but he comes up later in these conspiracies towards the end of the episode, where he's like seen as just like this big rival of JP Morgan. Hopefully I'm getting his name right now, not looking at the notes, but I just I wanted to point all that going to a little more detail here for what's going to come up later where he wasn't a big business rival. He was a rich kid who like had a few hotels built with his wealth that he didn't do anything to earn. He was, he was not a big mover and shaker. He seemed like such a stereotype. He, he, he, he marries, uh, talking about his 18 year old wife now, uh, 28 year younger than him. He marries, you know, some child, young and naive enough to be so impressed by his wealth that you probably didn't immediately

realize what a huge tool I think he was. I don't know. Maybe he wasn't. He seemed like a tool. The couple's extended honeymoon was actually a way to escape high society. Gossip, Astor had just been divorced and it was, then he gets married right away again and relatively unheard of back then. Astor's body was one of the few that was recovered in the Atlantic Ocean after the ship went down. Among other possessions, he was found with $2,240 in his pocket, equivalent to roughly

60 grand today. Noelle Leslie Countess of Roths was another one of the Titanic's most famous pastors. A popular figure in London society, Leslie became a Countess after marrying Norman Evelin Leslie, Earl of Roths in 1900. Leslie and her cousin Gladys Cherry booked a trip to on the Titanic, after surviving the disaster the press dubbed her the plucky little countis and she actually seems super cool After surviving the sinking of the Titanic she became heavily involved with the Red Cross during World War one Helping to nurse back to health among others her husband who had been wounded in battle Then there's Thomas Andrews at poor bastard remember his name. He was the ship's architect

The guy who designed it to be the safest ship in the world. His 16 sealable whole compartments were supposed to keep what did happen from happening. You traveled in the Titanic's maiden voyage in order to observe the ship and make recommendations on areas where the ship could be improved. Duh, yeek. When I spoke damn is the Titanic's whole the 39 year old ship builder immediately began helping women and children into lifeboats. The BBC reprinted a telegram from the White Star line, which noted that, when last seen officers say he was throwing over more deck chairs, other objects to people in water, his chief concern was safety of everyone but himself.

I wish we could know how many acted altruistically and heroically, like that, in their final moments compared to how many people acted cowardly and selfishly. Wouldn't that be super interesting? Out of those who faced certain death, who thought of others and helped, who thought of only themselves? Maybe try pushing others out of the way to get into a lifeboat or something?

Interesting little case study regarding human nature. I guess no matter what the ratio was, there were definitely some heroes when the big ship went down and that is pretty awesome, pretty inspiring. And it would cover a lot of dirt bags on this show. Don't let that ever make you think there aren't also a tremendous amount of fantastic meat sacks out there.

So hail Nimrod. To people like Tomas Andrews. Margaret Brown was another known passenger. She even born a Mississippi to Irish immigrants, Mary James Joseph Brown in New York City and became fabulously wealthy when Brown's mining business took off after striking or Brown became became a well-known socialite with a pension for dramatic hats and social activism on the behalf of women and children. She was returning from a voyage around Europe when she decided to book a trip on the Titanic. During the disaster, she reportedly helped to row the lifeboat and demanded that the group of survivors row back to the spot where the

ship went down in order to look for survivors. A decision opposed by the crewmen in charge of the lifeboat. They were worried that the sinking ship could create some kind of current that would pull the lifeboat, excuse me, down into the depths. This earned her the nickname, her heroic actions, the unsinkable Molly Brown. Her life was immortalized in a Broadway musical called the Unsinkable Molly Brown, later adapted into a Hollywood film. Another important person on the ship was Jay Bruce Ismay, the managing director of the white star line,

the dude who signed off to have this ship built. Ismay survived the sinking of the Titanic, but he never lived down the public scorn he received in the wake of the disaster. He boarded a lifeboat 20 minutes before the ship sank into the Atlantic, later said he turned away as the Titanic slipped beneath the surface of the water, saying, I did not wish to see her go down.

I am glad I did not. And it is made caught a lot of flack for boarding a lifeboat before other passengers. He was ostracized in society, ultimately resigned from his post, kept a low profile for the remainder of his life. He didn't die on the ship, but his career did. His family said he never fully recovered from the ordeal. Another wealthy couple aboard the, aboard the Titanic was Isador and Ida Strauss. The cup first met after the Civil War when a penniless Isador Strauss moved to New York City from the kingdom of Bavaria.

Isador and his brother convinced Roland Macy, founder of Macy's, to let them put a crockery department in the basement of the store. And it went so well that he and his brother eventually became business partners of Macy and by 1896 they acquired primary ownership of Macy's. Rags too riches. And then Isador became a member of the U.S. House of Representatives. Also, random trivia, his great, great granddaughter is the singer King Princess who actually listened to a fair amount via some Spotify playlist.

He's fucking great. She's fantastic. Isador and Ida wouldn't survive the sinking. We'll find out why in the timeline. Sir Cosmo Duff Gordon and his wife, Lady Lucy Duff Gordon were two of the most prominent pastors on board the Titanic and also had perhaps the most pompous names ever conjoined into one marriage. Are you fucking kidding me?

Sir Cosmo Duff Gordon. That feels like a name I would make up and assign to some cartoonishly posh member of British high society. I feel like a medieval trumpet. Some kind of herald. You know, let out a trumpet. Uh, little serenade every time

this Sir Cosmo Duff Gordon entered a room. Just, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, ladies and gentlemen of the Grand Staircase. I present to you the Cosmo Duff Gordon entered Five minutes later. Ladies and gentlemen, or I guess actually just gentlemen of the first class lavatory. I present to you Sir Cosmo Duff. That's quite enough, Reginald. You're excused for this evening. Sir Cosmo was a major landowner, society figure in the UK known for his fencing skills. Lady Duff Gordon was a top British fashion designer whose innovations included the precursor to the modern

day fashion show. Like Ismae in the wake of the tragedy Sir Duff Gordon received criticism for not adhering to the ship's women and children first evacuation policy. I'm sure that criticism would bump him out on occasion, but then he would remember, I'm Sir Duff Gordon damn it. My life is worth the lives of a 10,000 lesser souls! Sadly that medieval herald, I made up to not survive the sinking. T-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t to be quickly sinking into the Atlantic's monkey depths. I bid you a do. Thank you, Reginald. That'll be all crazy. A few years later, 1915, Lady Duff Gordon would escape an ocean eat death again after canceling her voyage on the doomed Lucitania, a passenger ship sunk in World War I by German U-boat. Another rich dude on board, the Titanic was Benjamin

Guggenheim, member of the powerful Guggenheim family, which earned its fortune in the mining industry. He was traveling on the ship with his mistress, Leo Teen, O'Balt, Scandal, and a number of staffers. When the ship started sinking, Guggenheim was initially optimistic about the ship's prospects, telling his lover, we will soon see each other again. It's just a repair. Tomorrow the Titanic will go on again. Guggenheim's body would never be found.

At some point he passed on a message to his estranged wife via a survivor. Tell her I played the game out straight to the end. He reported he said, no woman shall be left to bowl the ship because Ben Guggenheim is a coward. His mistress would survive the St. Kienheim's share his wife with. The real estranged are not. A not rich but well-known person aboard the ship was Helen Churchill candy. Helen was an author and a single mother who penned the early feminist work, how women may

earn a living in 1900. She traveled extensively, befriended a number of prominent people like Teddy Roosevelt, William Jennings Bryan, despite breaking her ankle during a chaotic evacuation. She teamed up with Molly Brown to man the ores of a lifeboat and return to look for survivors in the water. So good on hell and Churchill candy. One more distinguished passenger who unfortunately wouldn't survive the sinking before we quickly meet a few crew members.

Despite having the funniest name in the world, Archibald, Willingham but was the distinguished man. And you heard that name right, AW butt Archie but Arch, Archie Willie Ham butt, Mr. But, Mr. But started out as a reporter and it's B U T T too. Later in listening in the US Army during the Spanish American War, he served in Cuba and the Philippines. He became president Teddy Roosevelt's military aid in 1908, served as Roosevelt's successor or served Roosevelt's successor, William Taft in the same capacity. May have been prompted to go to Europe because remaining neutral in the bitter coral between Roosevelt and Taft, two men he worked for, he had been driven to a nervous breakdown.

Maybe he had that breakdown because of all the teasing about his name. Ladies and gentlemen of the first class dining room. I present to you, Archie, Willie, little bit stinky ham butt. Dam you so Cosmo. Call off your rough scallion, Harold. Archie wouldn't survive his body would never be recovered. President Taft would break down weeping while delivering a eulogy at Butts funeral and then laugh a little bit probably, you know, because his name. Talking about all the pastures, I should point out if you've seen the Titanic movie Jack and Rose played by Leonardo DiCaprio and Kate Winslet were entirely fictional, not even based on any Titanic pastures.

Now that we know a bit about some of the pastures on board of the Titanic's fateful day view and final voyage, let's meet a few of the people in charge of the Titanic. It's Noble Crew. Start off with some serious sadness. The maiden voyage of the Titanic was to be 62 year old captain Edward John Smith's last voyage before retiring. Literally a few days away from retirement. His monthly wage was 105 pounds according to inflation calculators worth about 12 pounds

today or 12,000 pounds. Excuse me today. It's less weird on salaries that goes the other way. I know about $16,000 almost $200,000 a year. Smith was married with a young daughter. Very little is known about his final actions of the Titanic after the collision. He was last seen on the bridge of the sinking ship

and he did go down with his ship and his body was never recovered. Time for more cruise sadness. In a tragic act of fate, Henry Wilde was serving as chief officer on the Olympic, but then was transferred last minute to the Titanic for her maiden voyage. Yet when the ship hit the iceberg, he took control of the even numbered lifeboats with

last seen trying to free some collapsible lifeboats his body also never recovered. His monthly wage was 25 pounds, works out to less than 50 grand a year, big drop and salary from captain to chief, chief officer. The ship's first officer was William Murdoch, 39 years old. He'd served on a number of white star ships. He was on the bridge at the time of the collision. He was the one who gave the order to turn the ship after the iceberg was spotted. Obviously too late.

He helped a load women and children into the lifeboats also did not survive the disaster. His body also never recovered. No salary info for him. Charles Lighttoler was the highest ranking officer to survive the wreck and how he survived his nuts. He was trying to load lifeboats as quickly as possible, was still trying to free the collapsible lifeboats when the Titanic sank. He was sucked underwater and then was blown back to the surface by air escaping from

event. He got fucking saved by a giant air bubble. Once he made it back to the surface, he managed to climb onto an overturned collapsible lifeboat and then survived. Dude was a tough son of a bitch. He'd begun his sailing career at the age of 13, already been in a shipwreck before the Titanic. After the sinking, he went right back to work on the RMS oceanic, another liner for the white star line. Then he fought in World War One, where another one of his ship sank, where he also depth charged a German U-boat into oblivion and shot up a German Zeppelin.

He was awarded numerous medals for bravery and battle, then retired as a commander at the end of the war, and then in World War Two with age of 70, dude used his private boat to rescue 127 Allied soldiers in the Duncirk evacuation died at the age of 78 in London spending his final years managing a boat yard and probably getting in fucking fist fights. Hail Nimrod Charles Lighthola. You should have been knighted good, sir. A giant among men.

Now for two people who weren't high ranking at all, but would end up playing huge roles in the sinking of the Titanic, making just five pounds a month, look out, Frederick Fleet and Reginald Lee were the first to see the iceberg. Fleet radio, the information to the bridge, fleet survived in lifeboat six, Lee and lifeboat 13. Jack Phillips and Harold Bride paid less than three pounds a month, robbery, or the radio operators whose main duty involved sending private telegrams between passengers. But as we'll see into tail later, they also received multiple warnings about icebergs in the area that were not taken seriously. Maybe pay the guys in charge of making sure you're about to die warnings are taken more

seriously would have been a good idea. After contacting the Carpathia, a nearby ship and sending out multiple distress signals, both operators stayed at their posts until water poured into the McRoney, Marconi room, bride survived by climbing into an overturned hole. Excuse me, I have collapsible B. Phillips for each collapse will be also, but died sometime before dawn. As I mentioned earlier, there were two bands aboard the Titanic. Each musician only paid four pounds a month.

Ah, after the collision, they grouped on the deck and played to keep the spirits of the past years up as they got into the lifeboats, how eerie is this? Some survivors stayed at the band played until the very end. Many claimed that the hymn nearer my god to thee was the last song played, none of the musicians survived. Holy shit that is quite the visual. What a crazy final series of moments playing your instrument as water engulfs you. I wonder if anyone died like super annoyed and someone else in the band was playing the wrong note,

you know, like again. It's fucking heel bird, it's B flat, flat, that's sharp. At least I won't ever have to hear that again. I wonder if the fake Harold was with the band at the time he died. Duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, Ladies and gentlemen of the Titanic, I present to you the first class band. They will not be playing an encore this evening for we are drowning. Now that we know about, you know, what the ship was like, have a rough idea what the ship was like, who was on it. Let's get to the sink in itself. In this week's at times minute by minute timeline. Minut-ba minute-ba minute-ba minute-ba minute-ba minute-ba minute-ba minute-ba minute-ba minute-ba minute-ba minute-ba minute-ba minute-ba minute-ba minute-ba minute-ba minute-ba minute-ba minute-ba minute-ba minute-ba minute-ba minute-ba minute-ba minute-ba minute-ba minute-ba minute-ba minute-ba minute-ba minute-ba minute-ba minute-ba minute-ba minute-ba minute-ba minute-ba minute-ba minute-ba minute-ba minute-ba minute-ba minute-ba minute-ba minute-ba minute-ba minute-ba minute-ba minute-ba minute-ba minute-ba minute-ba minute-ba minute-ba minute-ba minute-ba minute-ba minute-ba minute-ba minute-ba minute-ba minute-ba minute-ba minute-ba minute-ba minute-ba minute-ba minute-ba minute-ba minute-ba minute-ba minute-ba minute-ba minute-ba minute-ba minute-ba minute-ba minute-ba minute-ba minute-ba minute-ba minute-ba minute-ba minute-ba minute-ba minute-ba minute-ba minute-ba minute-ba minute-ba minute-ba minute-ba minute-ba minute-ba minute-ba minute-ba minute-ba minute-ba minute-ba minute-ba minute-ba minute-ba minute-ba minute-ba minute-ba minute-ba minute-ba minute-ba minute-ba minute-ba minute-ba minute-ba minute-ba minute-ba minute-ba minute-ba minute-ba minute-ba minute-ba minute-ba minute-ba minute-ba minute-ba minute-ba minute-ba minute-ba minute-ba minute-ba minute-ba minute-ba minute-ba minute-ba minute-ba-ba minute-ba-ba minute-ba minute-ba minute break. Thank you for listening to our sponsors, Midsex.

Shrap on those boot soldiers. We're marching down a time suck timeline. 1909 Construction begins on the Titanic at the Harlan and Wolf shipyard on Queensland and Belfast. Belfast. The slipway used to build the Titanic was the Harlan and Wolf shipyard on Queens Island and Belfast. Belfast. Excuse me. The slipway used to build the Titanic was the biggest ever constructed, taking up three of the existing slipways at the shipyard. A slipway also known as the boat ramp or launch, your boat deployer is a ramp on the shore by which ships or boats can be moved to and from the water. Titanic construction resulted in 246 serious injuries and eight deaths.

Safety regulations on construction sites, a wee bit more relaxed back in 1909 than they are now. On May 31st, 1911, the Titanic hit the water for the first time in front of about 100,000 spectators. It's quite a crowd for a boat. It was then towed to a spot where her engines, funnels and other parts could be installed and the interior finished. Almost a year later, an April 2nd Titanic was first tested at sea over a period of 11 hours. She was sailed to different

speeds, turned, stopped, and told us she went about 80 miles during the tests and then returned to Belfast to have the paperwork signed that would declare her sea worthy, which she was. She just wasn't iceberg worthy. On April 10, the Titanic set off on its maiden, an only voyage from South Hampton in England to New York City. As it left the dock, it was so big that its weight caused another liner, the New York to break away from its cables. It took about an hour to get the New York under control and the Titanic out of the

docks. The Titanic picked up additional passengers in Sherborg, France, and that evening set sale for Queenstown, Ireland. Following day, April 11, the Titanic stopped safely in Queenstown to pick up more pastors and mail and at 1.30 p.m. to part of the cross-Atlantic Ocean towards New York. The New York Tribune ran a two-settings article on page six of its 14-page edition on the 11th about the start of the maiden voyage of the Titanic. The entirety of the coverage was the white-style line of Titanic, which sailed from South

Hampton yesterday, is now the largest vessel of the world. But how long will it be before there is a super Titanic? Amazing coverage. Oh, to be an old-timey newspaper writer. It doesn't seem like a very tough job based on that example. Three days later, in April 14th, a Titanic began to receive warnings from other ships that there was ice drifting around Newfoundland, where they were currently located. They'd made it most of the way across the Atlantic, 325 nautical miles from the tip of Newfoundland,

a thousand 84 from New York four days into the voyage at 9 a.m. the Titanic received the following warning. Captain Titanic, Westbound streamers report Bergs, growlers and field ice in 42 degrees north from 49 to 51 degrees west, April 12th, compliments bar. A Titanic Captain Edward John Smith wrote back captain, who gives a shit, my dick, suck it. We're unfucking sinkable bitch, compliments Smith. J.K., haha.

A cat Smith is not right that. We can cut a funny if you did though. He didn't write anything back. He did cancel a scheduled lifeboat drill, not sure why. At 142 p.m., the Titanic could receive another warning. Captain Smith, Titanic. Have met moderate variable winds and clear fine weather since leaving. Greek, steamer, Athenae reports passing icebergs

and large quantity of field ice today in latitude. 41.51 north. Longitude 49.52 west. wish you in the Titanic all success. Commander. And then at 145 PM, they got a third message. America passed two large icebergs in 41.27 degree north, 50.8 degree west on April 14th. Okay. So it was no secret.

I'm probably reading the degree dot thing price was to see different notical terms, but you get it. It was no secret that the seas probably reading the degree dot thing. Price was to see different notical terms, but you get it. It was no secret that the seas were littered with icebergs that day. And the lookouts were strongly guessing told to be extra vigilant when it came to spotting them. And 5.50 pm due to the iceberg warnings, Captain Smith decided to change course and head slightly south. However, he did not decide to lower the ship's speed.

Had it not been the ship's maiden voyage, I wonder if he would have, because they say that the speed contributed to the sinking. But you know, the head of the company's on board, he knows the press is waiting in New York City. The ships late. A lot of people are going to be pissed at him. And this is last voyage, pride probably played into his decision to continue full speed ahead. They want to end a long successful career in a down note, 940 PM. They get another message from Mesabah to Titanic and all eastbound ships ice report in latitude 40 degrees north to 41 degrees 25 degrees north Longitude 49 degrees west to longitude 50 degrees 30 degrees west Saw much heavy ice pack and great number large icebergs also field ice whether good clear

Wireless operator jack phillips was passengers' messages and for unknown reasons, never passed this warning on to the Titanic's bridge. Maybe because he was being paid around a pound a month and wasn't terribly invested in his job. I'm guessing. Actually, Phillips had been exceptionally busy clearing a backlog of messages caused by an earlier wireless breakdown. His failure to respond to this and other incoming signals is cited as one of the principal

causes of the Titanic disaster. Fucking Jack fake to cap real Jack was a Titanic hero real life operator Jack fucked up big time real life Jack like movie Jack also would die with the sink of the ship 10 p.m. the shift changed on the bridge with first officer William Murdoch relieving second officer Charles light dollar as the officer on on watch, look out Frederick Fleet and Reginald Lee began their watch in the Titanic's crow's nest. The night is unusually calm, making icebergs more difficult to see as there are no waves crashing against the icebergs.

Adding substantially, substantially to the difficulties and spotting the icebergs that I could talk is the fact that the lookouts also did not have binoculars. Yes. No binoculars. That would make being a lookout more difficult. Why didn't they have binoculars? You may wonder. I have an answer.

David dumb shit Blair. David Blair was a merchant seamen for the white star line who was supposed to be working on the Titanic, but then he was reassigned just before it's made in voyage in his hasty departure, dude accidentally took a key with him to a storage locker that held yep the binoculars for the crow's nest. Next to Jack Phillips not passing along messages to the bridge David taking the keys with him is the main reason most think the Titanic sank. David would live another 43 years after the ship sinking he would die at the age of 80 and handed middle sex and this wasn't his only huge maritime mistake

He was also blamed when working as the navigator for the white Starlines RMS oceanic running a ground just two years later in 1914 dammit dumb shit David Guessing he was not invited to the white Starline company Christmas party in 1915 Blair's locker key would end up resurfacing at an auction in 2010, where it would sell for over $130,000. Back to the Titanic's final night at 11 p.m. The Titanic begins to receive a sixth message about ice in their area. The nearby California radios the Titanic say, old man, we have stopped and

surrounded by ice. In annoyed Jack Phillips, still recovering from an earlier wireless messaging system malfunction response that I'm not now making this one up. Shut up, shut up, I am busy, I am working in K-Prace. Fucking idiot. K-Prace was a wireless station located at K-Prace, Newfoundland, Canada. Clearly the line was popping that night,

but that, ah, in hindsight that looks really bad. I'm like, hey, what's surrounded by ice? We're near you, we're totally surrounded by ice. He's like, shut up, I'm busy. I'm doing some stuff. I got some ear wax. I'm trying to clean right now, got you, Evan? When I talk about wireless communication,

also I of course do not mean cell phones or the internet. I'm talking about wireless telegraphy, transmission of telegraph signals by telegraphy. I'm guessing I should look that one up. It's telegraph with a why at the end. I'm gonna say telegraphy, but maybe telegraphy. Ships started using this kind of technology to communicate just a

dozen years earlier in 1900. By 11 PM, most of the Titanic's pastors had retired to the rooms for the evening. Ladies and gentlemen of the first class, Saloon, the Cosmo deaf Gordon bids you a do for this evening. Please stand aside and allow him to depart the room with the proper respect and dignity to at 11.40 p.m. Frederick Fleet to look out in the crow's nest spotted an object ahead ran, rang the warning bell three times, called down to the bridge to say iceberg right ahead. And William Murdoch, the first officer on duty gave the command to turn the ship hard,

but the command would come, of course, to late 37 seconds later, the Titanic hit a giant iceberg on its starboard side and the massive heavy and jagged ice bashed holes along the side of the ship. After 10 minutes, water is pouring in or excuse me, the water started pouring in immediately. After 10 minutes, it poured in to reach a depth of 4.3 meters above the keel and the forward compartments. No one will ever know exactly how big this iceberg was. It's reported to have stuck up out of the water 5,200 feet and the visible portion was estimated to be between 200 and 400 feet long.

This visible portion would have only accounted for 10% of its total size. Some think the iceberg may have been half a mile long underwater and displace roughly a billion tons of seawater, so a big, big iceberg enormous. That size, it might as well have been made out of steel. At 12.15 a.m. on the early morning of April 15th, 1912, Jack Phillips types out CQD. The international distress call to time and M.G. G Y the Titanic's call letters along with the ship's position captain Smith ordered the crew to get the lifeboats and began boarding women in children first and must have also thought are you fucking kidding me my last trip this happens

on my last trip unbelievable 20 boats have space for only one thousand one hundred and 78 people out of more than twenty two hundred people on board Why didn't the Titanic have more lifeboats? A lot of people have asked this. It wasn't because he didn't have room for more. It could have held 64 lifeboats instead of 20. And it wasn't to save money. These fewer lifeboats. The White Star Line spent 7.5 million on the ship

and the extra lifeboats, and it did have a few extra submersibles, which is why. So I think it's like 24 total. But these extra life votes would have cost less than $20,000. They didn't have the extra life votes because simply, legally, they just didn't have to. The laws regulating how many votes a ship of that size were required to have were seriously outdated. And also, the company had such faith in the 16-compartment whole safety system that they didn't think

they really needed lifeboats. They really did think the ship was virtually unsinkable. And in that worst case, it would take many days for it to sink plenty of time for another ship to come to its rescue. Whoops. The Frankfurt was among the first to respond to the distress call, but the liner was 170 nautical miles away, 315 kilometers away to the south. Other ships also offered assistance, including the Titanic's sister ship, the Olympic, but

they were even further away. At 12.25 a.m., the Carpathia, a ship nearby was learning to emergency with the signal. Come at once, we have Struckaburg. It's a CQD old man. I love that they include old man in many of these messages. The ships old man kept an Arthur H. Rossin wired that he was coming to the rescue. He was only 93 kilometers away, but it would take him more than three hours to get there. Meanwhile, pastors waiting to enter lifeboats are being entertained by the Titanic's musicians

who initially played in the first class lounge before eventually moving to the ship's deck. Oh my God, so stressful. 12.45 a.m. Phillips switched from using CQD to SOS, the new international distress single signal. It was only the second time that the SOS code had ever been used since its approval. Another officer began to send up distress rockets to try and alert other ships, the Titanic fire, the first of eight distress rockets at 12.45. Lifeboat number seven on the starboard side was the first lifeboat lowered at that same

time. Had only around 27 people on board sources are unclear exactly how many, even though it had room for 65. Why did this happen? Well, many of the first lifeboats lowered were way under capacity, partially because of the crewman's fears that the davids, these crane-like machines that lowered the lifeboats to the water would be unable to hold a fully loaded lifeboat. In addition, many pastors were initially afraid to leave the ship still believing that the Titanic was unsinkable, despite, you know, just watching

it sink. The lookouts now cite a ship less than 10 nautical miles away with their naked eyes and say, don't have a noccular. Thank you, David dumb shit, Blair. But the crew is unable to contact it. The rockets are also unsuccessful drawing attention. As the crew and aboard the California saw the rockets, but couldn't figure out exactly where they were coming from. So what was the ship that look out saw historians think it was a Norwegian fishing vessel, this fishing vessel that was illegally hunting seals. And those sneaky seal clubbers didn't want to visit, you know, or be visited by any other ships full of people who might bear witness to all their illegal and probably super tasty seal mate. At 12.55 a.m. number five became just the second lifeboat to leave the Titanic as it was

being lowered two male pastures literally jumped off the ship into the boat injuring one of the female occupants. Not sure who those dudes were and I'm guessing they felt bad for injuring some poor woman, but also probably felt pretty good later about not dying. A few minutes later, lifeboat number six is launched, containing passenger Molly Brown. The lifeboat is commanded by quarter master Robert Hitchens, who is at the wheel when the Titanic struck the iceberg.

His subsequent actions notably his refusal to look for survivors because they will only find what he called Stiff's annoyed the shit out of the other occupants notably Molly Brown who threatened to throw Hitchens overboard. Hitchens did not seem like an awesome dude. His wife and kids would later leave him. In 1933, he would spend four years in prison for trying to kill a dude who'd sold him a boat. At 1 a.m., number three is lowered. Carried to approximately 39 people, 12 of whom are part of the ship's crew. Around the same time, a crew member spots water at the base,

e-deck of the grand staircase the big boat filling up fast. All those fake fourth class pastures locked up in the bottom of the hole have already drought. Back at the lifeboats number one was launched with only 12 people could have held 40. Lifeboat number one was an emergency cutter smaller than a standard lifeboat designed for quick lowering to like do stuff like you know save somebody who's falling overboard. Among the pastures of lifeboat one or first class pastures, so Cosmo Edmund Duff Gordon and his wife Lucy.

Seven of the occupants were crewmen. Duff Gordon paid each of them five pounds reportedly to replace lost clothing and gear, but possibly according to later accusations as a bribe to keep the crew from letting anyone else into their boat. Da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da I am I entered into his service. That's quite enough right in it. Your services are no longer quiet. I've released you from employment At 1 10 a.m Number eight was among the first life boats lowered on the port side launched with only 28 people including first-class pastor Lucy Noelle Martha Countess of Roths who would later man the tiller probably something she never thought she'd have to do is a countis Is it or an Ida Strauss offered seats in number eight, but is it

or refuses to disobey the order of women and children first? Ida in turn refuses to leave her husband's side reportedly saying where you go, I go and neither would survive. Damn, that is love. I've always really liked Macy's and now I have one more reason to really love them in addition to reasonably priced quality clothes closing kitchenware. Sucks that looks like maces may not survive COVID-19, but yeah, that was a touching touching death right there. My god, as she chose to die with her husband, 120 a.m. Number 10 is launched among the occupants nine week old mill Vena Dean, who had many years later become the last living survivor of the disaster she would die in 2009 at the age of 97 Then number nine in the Stern Starboard side is lowered with some 56 people on board almost full one of the occupants American businessman Benjamin Guggenheim's alleged mistress Guggenheim in his valet would later change into formal attire

And he reportedly said we've dressed up on our best and I prepared to go down like gentlemen His body would never be recovered. Damn! That is some fucking dignity in death. Dude got dressed up to die. That blows my mind. That's actually super, super cool, I think. He wasn't gonna meet the reaper

wearing sweatpants and a tank top. Put on his tux. Luciferina finds that super sexy and says she may have visited and rewarded Guggenheim on the other side. Hill is Fina. 125 a.m. possibly not understanding the direness of the situation, the Olympic radio, are you staring suddenly to meet us?

The Titanic responds, we are putting the women off in the boats. While still hours away, the Olympic would soon be informed by the carpathia of the Titanic sinking. Few minutes later, number 12 is lowered, with about half of its seats empty. However, it will eventually carry more than 70 people. At 130 AM, amid the growing panic, several male pastors tried to board number 14, causing fifth officer Harold Lowe

to fire his gun three times as a warning. After the sinking of the Titanic, Lowe would return to look for survivors in the water. He would pull several men to safety and rescue those in partially flooded, collapsible lifeboat A. For his bravery, Harold would receive a huge reception upon his return to his hometown of Barmouth, over 1300 people attended, and the next year he got married went on to have two kids. Meanwhile, wireless telegraph operator Jack Phillips continues to send out distress calls

with growing desperation. Women and children in boats cannot last much longer. The crew then launches number 13, followed by number 15, which held many third class pastors. As it's being lowered, number 15 nearly lands on number 13, which had drifted under it. However, the crewman in number 13 were able to cut the launch ropes and wrote a safety. At 140 AM, collapsible C is lowered.

Among its occupants are white star chairman, Jay Bruce Ismay. Although Ismay would later claim that no women or children were in the area when he boarded a lifeboat, others refuted that and it does sound like bullshit. His decision not to go down with the ship resulted in many branding him a coward. And again, this label would follow him for the rest of his life. He would never recover from being associated

with the sinking of the Titanic and for not giving up his seat to a woman or child. He would die in London in 1937 at the age of 34 145 a.m. Number two, an emergency cutter was launched under the command of fourth officer box hall about 20 people on board. After number two, number 11 is lowered with 50 people. Number four then ready for launch. Madeline Astor, some five months pregnant, is helped onto the boat by her husband, John Jacob Astor. When Astor is asked if he can, uh, when Astor, some five months pregnant, is helped onto the boat by her husband, John Jacob Astor. When Astor asks if he can join her,

second officer, Lighthaller, who followed the order of women and children first, strictly refused and Astor apparently did not press the issue and stepped away. Did probably Randolph's cabbond work on another invention, knowing what we care about. It's been his final moment trying to make a patent patent, or right now, some patent for design, like a, some like an at home rubber band maker, or a paper mache, switch plate or something.

His body would later be found in the wreckage. By 2 a.m., two hours and 20 minutes after hitting the iceberg, the only lifeboats that remained on the Titanic were three of the collapsible boats. The ship itself was in terrible shape. The Titanic's bow, the forward part of the hole, the point usually most forward when the vessel was underway had sunk so low that the stern's propellers were now clearly visible above the water. Frantic and scared crumming lowered collapsible lifeboat D from the roof of the officer's quarters more than 20 people got on.

Then just as the Titanic's bow began to go under collapsible A, was swept out to C by a wave crashing onto the deck. About 20 people would manage to get into the boat, which was partially filled with water. Most would die. By the time lifeboat 14 came to the aid of lifeboat D, only 12 were alive. Hypothermia is a bitch. The water pastures were getting wet or you know, or falling into water that was negative 2.2 degrees Celsius or 28 degrees Fahrenheit.

The temperature was actually below freezing. Only salt and movement kept it from turning into ice. At that temperature, you can freeze to death in just 15 minutes. Three dead bodies were left in the boat, which will be discovered a month later by the oceanic. As Krumun tried to release, collapse will be at fell and before it could be righted, it swept off of the Titanic.

Around 30 men found safety on the still overturned lifeboat, including wireless operator bride and second officer light taller. Those men would later be taken aboard numbers four and 12. Captain Smith now releases the remaining crew saying it's every man for himself. And again, Smith reportedly last seen on the bridge and his body would never be recovered. Just one trip away from retirement at poor bastard. At 217 AM, Jack Phillips sends out one final distress signal. He reportedly made it to the overturned

collapsible lifeboat B, but succumbed to exposure and died from the cold. His body would never be found. At 218 AM, the lights in the Titanic go out, plunging the ship into darkness, due to the tireless efforts of the ship's engineers the Titanic's lights had stayed on long after they should have. The engineers also kept the radio running, which put out distress signals until minutes before the ship sank, not one of the 25

engineers would survive. As the Titanic's bow continued to sink, the stern rose higher and higher out of the water, straining the middle of the boat, and then the massive ship broken too between the third and fourth funnels and the pieces kept sinking. Reports would later speculate that it took some six minutes for the bow section traveling at approximately 30 miles an hour to reach the ocean bottom. The stern momentarily settled back in the water before rising again, eventually becoming vertical, what a crazy sight to see. It stayed in that position for a few minutes before beginning its final plunge. Water pressure allegedly caused the stern, which still had air inside to implode as it sank. The stern is the back or after most part of the shipper or boat opposite the bow bow.

At 2.20 a.m. April 15, 1912, the stern disappeared completely into the ocean and the Titanic was gone. Just two hours and 40 minutes earlier, all was well. Everyone was enjoying themselves. Everyone except of course the imaginary fourth class passengers, many of whom had already been eaten by sea rats. But seriously, all those happy pastures were ready to enjoy two more days on the boat due to arrive in New York the morning of the 17th and then it all went to shit so quick. Now hundreds of people floating in the freezing water, the cold would soon claim most of them, although there were still room and most of the lifeboats, crewmen were fearful that the boats would be swamped, causing them to sink.

Despite this fear, several lifeboats did return to rescue swimming people, and a few people were pulled to safety. But most will still die from the cold. Over the next several hours, numerous ships try and vein to contact the Titanic. The US would put the death toll at 1,517 passers-in crew, the British at 1,503. No one knows the real figure because official counts of a boat's passengers are only down when a ship reaches its destination to account for stowaways and passenger movement at ports.

So no one knows exactly how many people were aboard the Titanic when it died or when it went down. So maybe there weren't any fourth-class, but there could have been still ways. Overall, what kind of pastors tended to die and who survived? Titanic researcher, Chuck and Nessie crunched the numbers, breaking down the demographics. And he found that 97.22% of the 144 female first class pastors were rescued. While only 32.57% of their 175 male counterparts were saved. Ultimately, he found that male second-class passengers

fared the worst in terms of survival. Only 14 out of 168 made it out alive. The total survival rate for women actually 74%, the male survival rate just barely 20%. Clearly, there is an important lesson to be learned here, male meat stacks. And that is fuck shovelery. Am I right or am I right?

If your boat starts sinking, remember three things, dudes. One, you are odds are stronger than most of the women around you. Two, only the strong survive. Three, every man for himself. Do you need to do sweep the leg? Mercy is for the weak. 3.30 a.m. That was a cardi-cated quote if you were wondering.

At 3.30 a.m. the last part, not the whole thing. They'll be super weird. At 3.30 a.m. the Carpathia, one of the Cunard liners, Cunard Lines liners. That's so awkward talking about these ships. This whole episode, I've hated it. Where it's like it's like the white star line and and the ship is a liner. The white star lines liner. Anyway, 3 30 AM, the car path, one of the Qnard lines liners with the first ship to arrive in

the area firing signal rockets. A ship would only be around another six years. The car path you was sunk on July 17, 1918 after being torpedoed three times by a German submarine. since 1918 after being torpedoed three times by a German submarine. Somebody sinking boats in the decade before the rowing 20s. At 4pm, number two was the first lifeboat to reach the Carpathia. Safely aboard the Carpathia, Izmay wrote a message to be sent to the white starline's offices, deeply regret advised you, Titanic sank this morning, 15th after collision iceberg, resulting serious loss life further particulars later. Can you imagine getting that message?

How frustrating to get messages like that in the days before phone calls and emails. When it could be hours, sometimes days before you were able to get more info. At 8.30 a.m., the Californian part of Britain's Layland line, which at approximately 5.30 a.m. had learned the Titanic sinking finally arrived. It searched the area for several hours, but did not find any additional survivors at 8.50 a.m. the Carpathia carrying 705 Titanic survivors headed towards New York City where it would arrive to massive crowds on April 18th. On April 16th, newspapers around the world race to publish a headline about the disaster. They were in such a hurry to get

to their articles out that numerous newspapers ended up giving families and loved ones false hope about the sinking. The world reported zero fatalities. The daily mail declared no lives lost and the bell fast telegraph claimed no danger of loss of life. It was poor families. We're an emotional roller coaster for them. American newspapers able to take advantage of the time difference had headlines that were

more accurate. The New York Times, for example, ran the headline Titanic Sinks four hours after hitting iceberg, 866 rescued by Carpathia, probably 1250 parish is may safe. Mrs. Astor maybe noted names missing. On April 18th, the Carpathia docked at Pier 54 in New York City before a crowd of 40,000 people who gathered despite the heavy rain. And good news that fake herald that I said fake died earlier had actually fake lived. I fake light. He fake made it into one of the fake lifeboats. And he fake announced the survivors entrance to New York. Ladies and gentlemen of New York City, I present to you Sir Cosmo, Duff Gordon, my

former employer, man responsible for the deaths of several of your loved ones. He paid the crew to keep poor women and children off of the lifeboat. Don't let him deny it. Sounds like murder to me. Damn you russian old, shut your peasant mouth. I will drown you yet. Sir Cosmo,ugginot, shut your peasant mouth. I will drown you yet." Sir Cosmo, by the way, would live until 1931, dine and London at the age of 68. Public suspicion that Duff Gordon had acted selfishly, tainted him for the remainder of

his life. A letter written by Sir Cosmo was found in 2012, and he wrote at one point, there seems to be a feeling of resentment against any English man being saved. The whole pleasure of having been saved is quite spooked. The venomous attacks that made it first in the papers are they made it first in the papers. All right, now we're going to continue this timeline diving into long and often hilarious process of trying to recover the Titanic. This is weird information I did not expect. There were several serious obstacles to the recovery of the Titanic. The first was, where was it?

No one knew exactly where the Titanic was. And knowing roughly where something is, not knowing, roughly where something is not ideal for a deep sea search. The next fairly difficult hurdle to jump was, how the hell do we get this gigantic hunk of steel off the bottom of the ocean floor if we do find it? It weighed over 52,000 tons when it was not full of water. Despite these two gigantic obstacles, less than two years after its sunk, people were trying to find it and bring it back to the service.

In 1914, Charles Smith, US architect of some renowned, based primarily in Kansas City, who also lived in Denver, Colorado, proposed to attach electro magnets to a submarine to pull the wreck from the bottom on January 34 for January 31, 1914, the New York Tribune ran the headline to raise Titanic by a huge magnet. Denver architect plans to float the liner and fit her for ocean service. The article read to raise the Titanic, recover the bodies from its hold and again fit the ship for a sea is a scheme which Charles Smith, a Denver architect, hopes to carry out this year. His scheme is first to locate the ship. He then intends to lower a submarine, carrying seven persons by means of a steel cable.

The submarine is to be operated by electricity, furnished through cables from the ship above. As the submarine is lowered powerful, electric magnets will be attached to its prowl. Light-steep cables are to be attached to the magnets, the other end of which will be wound around steam winches on scours on the surface. When the Titanic is found, the submarine will push the magnets against the side of the wreck ship, then signal to the men above to turn on the electric current, thus adhering the magnets to the sunken vessel. Magnets will be placed all around the ship, and when the last one is in place, the submarine will be pulled to the surface, and the work of raising the vessel begun. This will be done by winding up the steel cables on the winches, when the Titanic is raised

to a depth where it becomes too heavy to be supported by the flat scouts, Smith intends to tow the Titanic to some point where it will rest on the bottom, but add a lesser depth. He then intends to attach larger cables to the ship, get more flat scouts and raise the belt, it's fucking not sets. I mean, this is a cool plan in like the way like the plans are cool in your daydreams, but not in a, say, not loud to anyone kind of way.

This architect who designed school buildings, almost exclusively, he didn't have two very important components in his possession that were definitely required for this plan to work. First off, he didn't have a fucking submarine. Capable of making it all the way down to the Titanic. Second, he didn't have magnets. Capable of pulling a heavy ship at the surface. And neither did anyone else.

What he's talking about, none of this stuff exists. I can't believe this plan made it into the paper. It's so stupid. It reminds me of one people who are not in your line of work. Try to give you career advice when they have no idea what they're talking about. And you know what you should do? Usually a couple of Netflix specials.

People love watching comedy on Netflix. Oh, thanks Uncle, why don't you just shut the fuck up? I never thought of that. I'll call my agent immediately. Hey agent, we've overlooked something important. We should do specials for Netflix. Except actually, Smith's idea is even dumber than that because it involves using technology that didn't even exist.

That would be like if NASA were to say that they, you know, aren't gonna be traveling to Jupiter anytime soon because it's too far away for our space shuttles to make it. They can take too long for astronauts, you know, to be in one of those space shuttles because they would run out of oxygen and food and they would die. And then some random account or somebody's like,

I got an idea, maybe no one's thought of, why don't you just get a spaceship? Just get a spaceship like on Star Trek. I saw one on Star Trek. You can get a Star Wars spaceship or something. They're super fast. You can warp speed, just warp speed at the Jupiter. Thanks guy who doesn't understand how life works.

Now shut up, the grownups are talking. Nearly 40 years later, someone else had an idea, possibly even dumber than Charles Smith and his submarine magnets. In July of 1953, RISD and Beasley, a British salvage company, set out on a secret mission to salvage the Titanic. The ship was reported to have dropped explosives overboard to detonate on the sea floor. The idea was to blow up the hole and then retrieve it

from like the surface. You know, because when you blow up shit, it all always floats up, you know, fish and metal. Beasley failed to even find the Titanic in 1954. They tried again and failed again. In the 1960s, Douglas Wolley, a hosary worker had another dumb plan. He proposed to find the Titanic and raise it using nylon balloons attached to her hole. He abandoned this plant after he realized it was also super dumb.

During a test run, he couldn't figure out how to inflate any of the balloons once they were deep underwater. So, small oversight to not know how to inflate balloons when your entire plan rests on inflating balloons. Years later, he would also claim that he somehow owned the Titanic in 2009, a 73-year-old woolly launched a legal challenge against RMS Titanic incorporated, the company that would later aid in actually recovering many components found on, you know, many articles on the ship did woolly really have acclaimed the Titanic?

No, of course not. I can't believe it even went to trial. A US federal judge would say no in 2020. More proposal surface for how to retrieve the Titanic, assuming it could first be found. More proposal surface for how to retrieve the Titanic assuming it could first be found. One suggested pumping 165,000 metric tons of molten wax or Vaseline into the ship. Not sure how that would work exactly. Another plan was to encase the ship in a buoyant buoyant. I hate that word. In a buoyant jacket of ice, turning her into an iceberg that iceberg They would float my god someone actually thought that would be possible and work Turned into a big you know about piece of ice

And then my favorite was someone suggested filling the hole with ping pong balls because you know ping pong balls float It's probably need a couple billion of them and then just hope that there are absolutely no holes in the hole They would let them just continually leak out. And then bam, old ship is ready to sail again. Come on. All aboard the RMS ping pong. Safe a ship on the 17th. Remind my name is in cash on ping pong ding dong.

On July 17th, 1980, a serious explorer, Jack Grim set off from Florida to look for the Titanic. He spent over three years and hundreds of thousands of dollars searching for the ship, never find it. The same guy also looked for Noah's Ark. He's spent a lot of money looking for Noah's Ark, never found it. Also spent a lot of time in money looking for Sasquatch in the Pacific Northwest, the abominable snowman in the Paul and the Loch Test monster in Scotland and never found them either. He never found anything. He was one of the best explorers in history when it came to spending a lot of money

and a lot of time never finding shit. In 1984, something happened that did lead to the big ship finally being found. That year, researchers commissioned jointly by the US Navy and the Woods Hole Ocean, oh, oh that looked so easy on paper. I was like, yeah, it's fucking ocean and graphic. You just put it together. Oceanographic institution set out to find and map two sunken nuclear submarines lost in the same sea. They discovered that as submarine sink parts and contents of the ship spread across a large area into

debris fields larger than the size of the ship. An important clue for figuring out how the Titanic debris might have scattered. Then in July of 1985, a second expedition to map these nuclear submarines is launched, and the US Navy agrees to let oceanographer, I got it that time. Robert Ballard looked for the Titanic in whatever time he had left over after he was done mapping the submarines. This gave him approximately 12 days to find a wreck that had been lost for 73 years. Spoiler alert, did it. Robert Dwayne Baller was born on June 30, 1942, in Wichita, Kansas. Baller then grew up in San Diego, California, where he developed

a fast nation with the ocean. He attended the University of California in Santa Barbara, earning degrees in chemistry and geology in 1965. As a member of the Reserve Officers Training Corps, he entered the Army following following graduation serving a two-year tour before requesting a transfer to the Navy. In 1967, he was assigned to the Woods Hole Oceanographic. I think I got it. Research institution in Massachusetts, where he became a full-time marine scientist in 1974 after completing doctoral degrees in marine geology and geophysics from the University

of Rhode Island. So he thinks he's a smarty pants guy. Okay, it is pretty impressive. In the early 70s, Ballard helped develop Alvin, a three-person submersible equipped with mechanical arm. From 1973 to 1975, he dove down to 9,000 feet below sea level in Alvin and in another French submersible to explore the mid-Atlantic Ridge, an underwater mountain chain in the Atlantic Ocean.

Denver's Charles Smith would have been very impressed. This guy had his submarine. Now he just needed some futuristic sci-fi super magnets. 1977 and 1979 Ballard was part of an expedition that uncovered thermal vents in the Galapagos Rift. To advance deep sea exploration, Ballard designed a series of vessels most notably the Argo, a 16 foot submersible sled,

equipped with a remote controlled camera, that could transmit live images to a monitor. And on September 1st, 1985, some man-made debris, what they would later identify as the Titanic's giant boiler, one of its boilers, began to appear on Ballard's cameras, eventually leading him and his team to the whole of the Titanic. Unreal, the first human contact with his ship since a night at Sank over 73 years earlier,

and July of 86, Ballard returned to the Titanic with Alvin that deep diving submersibly worked on, and Jason, a remotely operated vehicle, take more pictures of the wreck. The following year in 87, inspired by Ballard's fine, two partners, John Jocelyn and George Tullich found an RMS Titanic Incorporated, a company created the salvage and preserved the ship. And in July of 87, RMS Titanic Incorporated sent an expedition costing $6 million to dive down to the Titanic and salvage about 1,800 objects initially. Their removals from the wreck were the first to be taken, also very controversial, to salvage or not to salvage.

That is a big question for some. Should you leave shipwrecks alone on the ocean floor for future scholars to study or should you bring their contents to the surface where they can be put on display in museums or many people can see them? And where they also can risk ended up in the hands of private collectors who can choose to only let their friends take a look, making this debate more complicated when it comes to Titanic is the fact that the wreck is essentially a mass grave site. Is salvaging the Titanic, tantamount to destroy someone's headstone with the baseball

bat, then putting the smashed up headstone in the museum and charging people 30 bucks a piece to see it? Dr. Ballad is on the non-salvage team. In 1995, Hines Crew didn't take or remove any artifacts from the site. They just photographed, just documented the ship and left behind a commemorative plaque pain homage to those that perished on the Titanic. Dr. Bauer shared his belief in interviews and articles that Titanic's artifacts should remain in the sea as it is a grave site and a memorial for those who lost their lives. Obviously, the RMS Titanic and corporate

accrued disagreed. Pretty amazing what they recovered. They found the bell from the crow's nest used to warn the ship that an iceberg was ahead. They found a menu for the last first class meal. One of the band's violins is that menu I read earlier. They found other menus. One of the band's violins sheet music, a letter written by passenger Oscar, a halverson to his mother the day before the ship sank, found folded up in his pocket, a pocket watch, stuck at the time the ship sank, a bronze cherub from the grand staircases upper landing, a bracelet engraved with the name of a third class passenger, perfume bottles, and so much more. You know, in total, they ended up gathering approximately 5,500 relics.

They even found at their last dive, they found the fake trumpet, played by Sir Cosmos' fake herald. Da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, the movie with you. Filming for the movie began in Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, and July of 96, principal, you know, like filming after the dives, which he did use some of that footage in the movie. With the filming of the modern day, expedition scenes aboard a Russian ship with a name, I don't have a clue how to say. In September of 96, the production moved to the newly built Fox Baja Studios in Rosarito, Mexico, where a full-scale RMS Titanic had been constructed. The studio was dubious about the idea's commercial prospects, but hoping for a long-term relationship

with Cameron, they gave him the green light. I love that. They didn't think it was going to work. The film ended up going way over budget and took far longer than Cameron expected to film. He would later say, I remember the last day of shooting. We'd shot for 22 hours straight. We just had to finish everything up. And the last shot was the shot of the bridge flooding with

the captain on there. I was in a wetsuit with breathing gear. And I had hockey guards on my shins in case when the glass broke. It came in. And I was just thinking, okay, I've been up for 36 hours straight. I'm 20 feet underwater. They're about to blow all this glass. This room is going to implode. And it's like, Lord, take me now. This would really be a good time because we're over budget. It's a chick flick where everybody dies at the end and I don't have time to finish the movie.

But finish the movie he would. On December 19th, 1997, Titanic, the Hollywood romance directed by James Cameron is released in theaters. A huge success, if you don't know. This blockbuster won Academy Awards for Best Picture and Best Director and grossed more than $1.8 billion against a budget of $200 million. It was the first film to ever crack the billion dollar mark at the box office and it remained

the highest grossing film in history until Cameron, another one of his films, broke that record in 2010, Avatar. James Cameron, guess in his bank account, pretty healthy. His estimated net worth is $700 million if you're curious. And there are actually two other film directors thought to be worth more than him. Wanna guess who they are? One is Steven Spielberg, $3.7 billion estimated net worth.

And he's not even close to first place. That position belongs to George Lucas, sitting on a fat stack of Star Wars money with an estimated network of $5.4 billion. Sorry, I know that doesn't have shit to do with the Titanic. I just find details like that fascinating. Back to Cameron. An interview with NPR Camerawheel, he was so dedicated to capturing the feel of the original

vessel that he ended up taking so many trips, lengthy trips to the bottom of the ocean, exploring the wreckage, he ended up spending more time on the ship than any of the actual passengers had. Pretty amazing. And in honor of Cameron's dedication to the film, I'd like to dust off my, my Air Banjo. And in debut, a previously unreleased Air Banjo solo that I wrote to accompany the movie's Tên thân thông thang Tên thân thang Tên thân thang Tên thông thang Tên thông thang Tên thông thang

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Easy. Hill Nimrod. God. Wait until I'm done with this episode loose with Fina. I know you're worked up right now. Okay. Now let's jump into the future. Now that I've lost 75% of listeners, let's jump into the future before jumping out

of this timeline, dive into some conspiracies. By 2030 scientists now predicted the wreckage of the Titanic may very well disappear entirely due to a bacteria eating away at it discovered in 2010. You know what, before I move on, after that last song, I do have to push this button. It's so big. Yeah, that's just the tip. DJ iceberg. I heard.

You just heard Dan Cummins remixing with the Air Banjo Salim Deans classic on Titanic FM, the new hits and best classic. Oh, you get it. Sorry, I just had to get that out of my head before I moved on. Scientists named this new bacteria, eating away as a Titanic's wreckage, uh, Hollomanus, Titanic, a, and this bacteria got to say for me, seals the argument over whether to salvage the ship or not to salvage it To not salvage it means it's probably just gonna entirely disappear and it's too historically important I think to risk letting that happen Nothing that happen now. Let's jump out of this timeline and jump right into some crazy

conspiracies Good job soldier. You made it back You made it back barely. I'm sorry if my mush mouth is more out of control than normal today. I don't know what it is with allergies. It's like, I keep waiting for my allergies to just go away. And if I take a decongestent allergy pill every single day, 24 hours, then I'm fine. But I miss one day. I didn't take one today. But I took an allergy pill every single day, 24 hours that I'm fine. But I missed one day. I didn't take one today.

But I took an allergy pill. I just ran out of those and I'm like, I always take a normal one. And immediately my head fills up with just my sinus. Just gets like pressure and stuff from fucking pollen. Who invented pollen? Huh? Who invented trees and grass?

Get rid of them. Get rid of them! No more dust, no more plants, and then I'll be fine. Just leave it a nice, clean, concrete, linoleum planet. Okay. I know I just said we were going to jump right into conspiracies, but I'm kind of a liar. Starting off with something that's less of a conspiracy theory, more of an eerie coincidence, but it is brought up by conspiracies, so it feels important to throw it in here.

Futility and novella written by American author Morgan Robertson, was published in 1898, 14 years before the Titanic set sail. And what was it about? The sinking of a fictional ship called Da-Da-Da, the Titan. And that's just where the strange similarities start. The Titanic was, as we've learned, when a day viewed in 1912, the world's largest luxury liner, at 882 feet long, displacing 53,000 tons. Once described as being unsinkable, the Titan was the largest craft of float in the fictional world it was written for, called the greatest of the works of men, 800 feet long, displacing 75,000 tons, also described as unsinkable.

The Titanic carried only 20 lifeboats, less than half the number required for her passenger capacity of 3,000. The Titan carried as few as the law allowed, 24 lifeboats, less than half needed for her 3,000 capacity. Moving too fast for sea conditions at 23 knots, the Titanic struck an iceberg on the night of April 14, 1912 in the North Atlantic, 400 miles away from Teranova, a park on the east coast of Newfoundland, also on an April night in the North Atlantic, 400 miles from Newfoundland. The Titan hit an iceberg while driving to 25 knots.

Like the Titanic, the Titan also sank, worth more than half of for 2500 pastures drowning, their voices raised and agonized screams. How eerily similar is all of that. This is the kind of thing a certain type of conspiratorial mind will see and think, there are no coincidences. Time to walk down to my basement, head to my wall map, grab some yarn, and connect these dots. Hiding in plain sight.

I see you illuminati. There were however some differences between the fictional Titan and the Titanic. The Titan did not strike in iceberg on a clear night as the Titanic did, but instead drove headlong onto an ice shelf, rose up and then fell on her side. The Titanic and iceberg in perfect sailing conditions, the night the Titan sank, it was foggy. 705 people aboard the Titanic were saved, only 13 of those aboard the Titan survived. The Titanic sank on her maiden voyage to the US while the Titan made several trips and

was traveling in the opposite direction, but still a lot of similarities. So many so that the author was accused of being a psychic of sorts. Morgan Robertson explained that the uncanny similarities were just due to him knowing how transatlantic ocean liner travel worked, saying, I know what I'm writing about. That's all. Or you're a devil psychic, Mr. Robert Sin. If that is your real name, now onto a real conspiracy theory. Several millionaires died aboard the Titanic.

Noted men on the lost Titanic announced a New York Times headline, Colonel Jacob Astor, with his wife, Isador, Strauss, and wife, and Benjamin Guggenheim aboard. Abituraries followed for Astor, the New York builder of hotels and skyscrapers and vener of nonsense, writer of horseshit. Strauss, banker and owner of Macy's department store, Guggenheim builder of mining machinery. Also kind of really actually the son, one of seven sons of someone who built a fortune. One man escaped his fate.

JP lizard person, mother fucking Morgan. high priest of the new world order. How? Some maintain the American millionaire banker JP Morgan planned the Titanic disaster to kill off rival millionaires. The entire theory hinges on the fact that Morgan had originally planned to sail the Titanic, but changed his mind shortly before it left. J. Paramount Morgan had thought earlier in the year to return to America on the ill-fated Titanic. The Washington Post reported on April 19th, a couple days after the sinking. Then Mr. Morgan decided to lengthen his stay abroad. Why would he do that?

Obviously to kill rich guy rivals. Rivals who are not actually rivals, as he made his money in industrial consolidation, spearheading the formation of several massive multinational corporations like US Steel, International Harvester, General Electric. He also won the Titanic Sank at a controlling interest in AT&T, Western Union, 24 different railroads. Also, he was days away from turning 74

the day the Titanic sank, and it made more money than God. And if you took all the millionaires who died on the Titanic and lumped them up into one person, that person would still have a hard time getting a fucking lunch meeting with JP Morgan. But facts like those, bum conspiracy theorists out, people whose brains don't like to work that hard, who don't like to deal in logic and nuance. So forget everything I just said, just think about how one rich guy needed to kill other rich

guys to get more rich illuminati. So why did he really not go on the Titanic? Well, it's a pretty well documented reason, actually. He was busy trying to get his vast art collection in England and France, shipped by sea to New York's Metropolitan Museum of Art. And in late March of 1912, he hit a setback. A U.S. Customs office art specialist sent a London to inspect the shipments unexpectedly left early for the States.

Morgan stopped the shipments, asked the art dealer, supervised them to meet him in France in mid-April, and then sent a telegram to the white star lines president with his regrets. He wasn't going to leave without his expensive art. Even if JP Morgan had wanted to kill his rivals on the Titanic, how the fuck would he cause it to hit an iceberg? It's not like a bomb took it down. This theory offers no explanation for that. So we'd have to be clear, buoyant on top of being an evil shitty dude.

The theory also claims Morgan wanted to kill his rivals because they opposed the creation of the Federal Reserve. Even though Astor and Guggenheim did not appear to have taken a position on the reserve at all and Strauss actually supported it. Alternative versions of this theory claim that the Rothschild banking family, or perhaps even the Jesuits, aka the Knights Templates, were the ones who arranged for Astor, Strauss and Guggenheim to die on the Titanic. As the Washington Post notes, invoking the Rothschilds as international conspirators, is a centuries-old

antisemitic trope. The Rothschild family founded banking houses across Europe in the early 1800s, and they have been a favorite target of conspiracy theorists ever since. Exactly. It almost always comes back to people thinking some version of, hey, how can that person have so much more money than me? Can't be due to someone capitalizing a rare and lucrative opportunity, working really hard, passing on important inside knowledge to their children to create multi-generational industry dominance and then reaping the financial accumulation that comes with that, can it? It can't be because company owners get paid more than company workers, can it?

It can't be because once you reach a certain level of wealth, you can take educated calculated risks and sometimes those risks pay off fantastically and you can then make your money work for you and now make massive profits of chances that require far and far less risk, but still increase your wealth exponentially. Can it? Fuck no. It's because that motherfucker made a deal with the devil. He learned how to harness dark magic. He probably drinks a Drener Chrome just like Tom Hanks, and he probably buys kids on Wayfair.com.

And he definitely isn't a cult along with international bankers in the Hollywood elite. Boom! I'm not doing his well because I have integrity. Uh-huh. There's stupid JP Morgan theory surface recently in connection with the QAnon conspiracy. That theory detailing the supposed secret plot by the alleged deep state against Donald Trump. QAnon has embraced the conspiracy theory that the Rothschild sunk the Titanic because they

may be some of the dumbest motherfuckers that ever lived. Can we please take all of the world's die hard QAnon believers and just put them on a giant boat and then take that out to the middle of the cold waters of Atlantic and sink it? All in favor say aye, aye, police! Let's do it yesterday. The QAnon crowd blames the Rothschilds for sinking the Titanic controlling the world's economy, bankrolling, Adolf Hitler, plotting to kill presidents Abraham Lincoln, John Kennedy, founding Israel, funding ISIS, and flicking financial distress on Asians and most recently controlling the weather. Now fun. A little more info on the QAnon crowd before we move on.

We've covered QAnon in the secret suck, but for non-spaceless, or it's QAnon began in October 2017, with a post on the anonymous image board for Chan by Q presumably an American individual initially, but probably this Q person later became a group of people. Q claim to have access to classified information like at so many other lunatics. This information involved the Trump administration and its opponents in the US and the United States. Q claim to have knowledge of the deep state. A favorite term of conspir deep state, a favorite term of conspiracist, just nonsense.

Analysis by NBC News found that three people took the original Q post, expanded it across multiple media platforms to build internet followings for monetization. QAnon proceeded by several similar anonymous 4chan posters, such as FBI and on, HLi and on, high level insider, CIA and WH Insider and on HL Ion, high level insider CIA and on and W H insider a non. And then when those a non didn't go viral, you know, try, try again. When one super dumb conspiracy doesn't take off, you launch a new one. Q has falsely accused many liberal Hollywood actors, democratic politicians, high ranking officials of, you know, being members of some kind of international sex, you know, child sex trafficking ring.

Q also claims that Donald Trump feigned collusion with the Russians to enlist Robert Mulder to join him exposing the ring and prevent a coup by Barack Obama. Hillary Clinton and George Soros and a non-believers commonly tagged their social media posts with a hashtag, www.WG1WGA, signifying their motto where we go one, we go all to the ship, please to the middle of the ocean to then have it sunk. They're insane, like really insane. They're the political equivalent of flat authors. And like flat authors, their ranks seem to be growing.

They recent Facebook internal analysis reported in August that there are millions of followers, Q followers across thousands of groups and pages. So wait, idiot,, here we come. One last thing about the J Morgan, J.P. Morgan conspiracy. I'm not sure I believe this, but less than reputable seeming sites. A lot of them states that the white star line

that built and owned the Titanic was a British company actually owned as a subsidiary of the International Mercantile Marine Company and American holding company owned by done done done. J.F. Morgan. So what?

So what? Because he owned the company that owned the white star line that owned the Titanic. Now, and he backed out of sailing on it, what he clearly sunk it to kill his rivals. That is, that is the weirdest logic. Or he could have saved a lot of money and just had three rich Jewish poisoned and not lost a lot of money by sinking his own ship. I mean, if you're willing to sink a ship to kill hundreds, I'm guessing you can probably figure out

how to poison three people or have them shot or something. Building a ship to sink it sounds like the most convoluted idiotic way to assassinate three dudes ever. First, I will spend years and millions of dollars building the world's biggest, most luxurious ship that I will spend years and millions of dollars building the world's biggest, most luxurious ship, then I will invite my rivals and a few other thousand passengers to board it. And then I will make sure that the guy with the keys to the binocular cabinet locks

them up and runs up with the key. And then obviously the ship will hit an iceberg and that is how they die. It's the perfect plan. Now for another conspiracy theory, the one that holds the Titanic never sank, that the whole disaster was faked, all for insurance fraud money. And this one may be dumber than the last one even. This theory posits that someone

switched the Titanic with another white star line ship, the Olympic, but as Paul Burns, vice president and curator for the Titanic Museum attractions in Missouri and Tennessee points out, this theory just doesn't make any sense. Well said, Mr. Burns. Excellent. This theory starts with the fact that the Olympic was damaged while sailing from Southampton, England to New York in

September 1911 and had to return to Harlem, a wolf shipping yard and Belfast, Belfast for repairs, the company then repaired the Olympic and it sailed to New York and back then returned to Belfast for even more repairs in March 1912, few weeks before the Titanic set sale. The theory holds that some person or people found that the Olympic was too severely damaged to be profitable. So at some point, it was switched with the Titanic to purposefully ditch the damage ship, reap the insurance money, and gosh dang, oh my heck, kill hundreds of people in the process. A lot of holes in this theory, such as why not just sink the boat in the harbor, or people can escape the ship and, you know, not die. But the biggest problem with this is that the Titanic's insurance money didn't come close

to covering the Olympics loss, if this were to be true. The Titanic's insurance paid out $5 million, but the Olympic cost seven and a half million dollars to build. So that makes no sense. Two more quick conspiracies, but first Let's look into people who actually believe the two we've just covered in today's idiots of the internet. Get a bounce around a bit for this one. Look at some comment section highlights Under a video called most believable Titanic and Spiracy Theory of All Time, one that centers on JP Morgan sinking the ship to kill his rivals and make insurance fraud money, user

Adrian Cougan posts Titanic Olympic, whatever, sink that day it did because there were three important men on board. John Jacob Astor, Benjamin Guggenheim, Isador Strouse, Federal Reserve Opposers, but also JP Morgan enemies. John Jacob Astor the fourth was a richest man in the world and also a friend of Nikola Tesla. He funded many Tesla ideas. Morgan built a ship simply to get rid of them. As we know, the Federal Reserve was formed the very next year. By the way, there are a lot of similarities between Morgan Robertson's book, Reck of the Titan, and what happened in real life, but you already may know that.

All right, listen, Adrian, there's a lot I can pick apart in this comment, but I've already addressed most of it. So I'm going to focus on JP Morgan building and then sinking a giant ship, his ship, to kill someone because that person was funding the ideas of another person, Nikola Tesla in 1912. What? Or he could have taken the far less convoluted approach of having Tesla killed. Who does that?

I must stop Tesla. His ideas could destroy General Electric and then I would be slightly less wealthy in my final wealthy years of my wealthy life. What should I do? I know I will find out who's funding his ideas. Then I will take a few years to build a ship, then hope they take a ride on said ship, then make it hit an iceberg, then really hope that no one else continues to fund his ideas because that would really suck to put all of that off that have him just find a new benefactor that I would have to start over build a whole nother ship. I mean, we all see how dumb that is, right?

I hope so. Nell is hop over to another video called did the Titanic really sink. This video focuses on the conspiracy that the RMS Titanic and the RMS Olympic were switched in that insurance fraud scheme. And user Daniel DeGroff comments, this is Satan's kingdom, Satan corrupt people with power and money. Boom! Nailed it, Daniel!

When you don't understand something and that something seems bad, always blame the devil. Tried and true. A Blair Lentz post, I started researching Titanic when I was around 10. I'm now 22 and I fully believe the Titanic sank because Titanic and Olympic had way too many differences to do that switch. Holy shit, like 12 years. It took you 12 fucking years to finally come to the conclusion that the two ships look different. Yeah, they look different. There were different ships. Two Google image searches could have shown you that in about 10 seconds.

You Google RMS Olympic ship design in one tab, open another tab, Google RMS Titanic ship design in that one then compare the two pictures and then you move on with your life. I don't care that it was 10 when he started his research. One more, maybe he was just, maybe I'm just interpreting that wrong and he knew it 10 already and he just confirmed it for 12 years. But it comes across to me like,

at first I believed it was a conspiracy thing. After 12 years of research, I was like, hey, these ships look different. One more under a CTV video from 2007, titled New Theory Suggest Fire-led to Titanic Sinking. There is of course some idiocy. This video describes another conspiracy theory that a fire spontaneously lit inside one of the Titanic's

enormous coal bunkers and that it critically weakened a crucial segment of the ship's hole allowing it to be destroyed by icebergs. This fire then caused a ship to sink, you know, be working with the icebergs, you know, like if the fire had been there, and what if the icebergs had wouldn't have sink, it's been to amongst many times.

A lot of ships have been sunk by icebergs over the years. They're huge, and when a huge ship hits one of them, they don't just bounce off. They simply don't move enough for the ship, not to bend its hole and pop off some rivets or whatnot. And allows some water inside. The momentum of an enormous heavy ship, hitting a massive, virtually immovable object

creates more than enough force to bend steel to tear it from its rivets But Matt Ironettes just can't comprehend scale and momentum and post I believe fire sank Titanic because if you stop and think about it, how can ice sink a huge vessel? I should have tickled the Titanic Reyno Rana of response succinctly and perfectly, I believe you have no idea what you're talking about. The iceberg was many, many, many times bigger and heavier than the vessel. The part of it above the water was high,

was as high as the Titanic, and that's only 10% of it. I feel like Rayno's first sentence could be a fitting reply to almost every comment I have ever shared in this segment. I believe you have no idea what you're talking about. Thank you, Rayno. Nimrod loves you. [♪ INTRO MUSIC PLAYING [♪

Time for those two final conspiracies now. Some claim that the Titanic was cursed by a mummy. The Titanic's mummy curse as an urban legend possibly based on the priestess of Ammon Raw who lived in 1050 BCE. According to legend, after her discovery by British archaeologist in the eight and 1890s in Egypt, the purchaser of the mummy ran into some serious misfortune. The mummy was then reportedly donated to the British Museum, where it supposedly continued

to cause mysterious problems for visitors and staff. Then the mummy was eventually purchased by journalist William Steed, who dismissed the claims of the curse as quirks of circumstance. The legend claims that he arranged for the mummy to be hidden under the body of his car, her fear that it would not be taken aboard the Titanic because of his reputation. He reportedly revealed to other passengers the presence of the mummy the night before the accident. However, official records state that the British Museum never received the mummy.

So this is all nonsense. It only had the lid of its sarcophagus, which is on display at the museum and known as the unlucky mummy. Additionally, accepting war and special exhibits abroad, the coffin lid has never left the Egyptian room. Apparently, this entire theory comes from the fact that Williams teed like to tell stories. He was a journalist, he was a writer, a good one, and a stunt that he was just entertaining other guests with a tall tale about a mummy's cursed. Then after the ship sank, a survivor recounted the story to the New York world, and the media picked it up. The next month, the Washington Post ran the headline, Ghost of the Titanic, Vengeance of

Who Do Mummy, followed men who wrote its history. It's such a story. Our final theory hinges on the Catholic employees of Harlan and Wolf, the Belfast company that built a Titanic, who were allegedly distressed that the ship's number 3909, space 04, seemed to say no pope when viewed in a mirror. And when they saw that, like, we have to sink this. A little bit of a fucking stretch here. It's a stretch that those numbers in a mirror would say no pope.

No, they don't. I guess maybe if you like, shake your head and squint your eyes and the lights bad or something, did some religious retribution sink this ship? No, the late Titanic historian Walter Lodd wrote that he received letters from people in Ireland saying this no pope story beginning in the mid-50s. Yet as Burns pointed out in his 1986 book, The Night Lives On, the numbers 3909 Space 04 in addition to not looking like they spell out no pope when viewed through a mirror, also were not on the Titanic.

The whole number painted on the ship was 401, same as this yard number at Harlan and Wolf, and his board of trade number was 131, 428. Also, even if one of its numbers had, no pope, there weren't any Catholic workers at a Harlem and Wolf for that message to upset England, not real big on Catholics in 1912, Northern Ireland, not real big on Catholics, you know, if it was an English company. The British company had driven his Catholic employees away by the late 1800s and according to Anne Caulfield in her book Irish Blood, English Heart, Ulster Frye by the 20th century Harland and Wolf had a reputation for employing only Protestants.

So that theory is total nonsense like the rest. It was an iceberg, a real unfortunate run in with an iceberg not helped by radio problems and no damn binoculars. Sometimes shit just happens or hits the fan or runs into an iceberg. The Titanic, what a tale. Thank you to the space辣t for voting for this topic so many times over on our topic voting section of the time suck app. I know it never won, chose this month because it got in close so many times. Very interesting tale. From the early days of planning between Ismay and Thomas Andrews to trying to push the white star line ahead of its competitor, QnR, to being built in the Harlan and Wolf shipyards to finally set in sale on what many hope would be the first of many, many journeys, decades

worth, and all the profit that would bring, but it was not meant to be. The Titanic's very first voyage would be her last. She didn't live long, but what an amazing ship she was. So extravagant, so luxurious, unless you're in the third class, sharing two bathtelves with hundreds of people, then maybe a little bit less luxurious, definitely less if you traveled in fake fourth class, fake locked in the hole, being not on by those fake sea rats. But Syracy was a Turkish baths and 10 course first class meals and mechanical camels and big bands and grandsteraways.

It really was something no one had seen before in the seas. Ultimately, the Titanic would become mostly a watery grave for roughly 1500 people. After it sank, it would remain untouched and unseen by humans for over 70 years, 1912 to 1985. And now it's left of it might be completely gone by 2030. How quickly the Titanic went from a symbol of opulence, the culmination of the American dream, a first class ticket being what you could dream to experience if you worked hard enough and played your cards right and got a little bit lucky to an enduring symbol of one of

the biggest tragedies of all time. And yet, even during that tragedy, there were moments of bravery, moments of inspiration. All those men who made sure that women and children got into the lifeboats first, Isador and Aida Strauss who wouldn't leave each other's sides, even if I meant dying together, so sad, so beautiful. No wonder James Cameron saw something just epic and monumental in the Titanic. It's a story that makes you believe in meat sacks

and how brave and noble we can be in the face of certain death, at least those of us, not named, of course, Sir Cosmo Duff Gordon. T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, shock, tough, five takeaways. Number one, DJ iceberg. It's so big. Yes. It's just the tip. DJ iceberg right here on Titanic FM.

That's not number one. I just like hitting that button. Number one on April 15th, 1912 at 11.40 pm after receiving multiple warnings about icebergs in the area. The Titanic would slam into an iceberg on its starboard side, slicing open the hole between five of the adjacent watertight compartments. No one knows how many people died because no one knows how many people were on board to begin with, but the US would put the death toll at 1,517.

While the British would say 1,503. Number two, some people including QAnon people believe that either JP Morgan or maybe the Rothschilds, maybe the Nights Templars, cause the Titanic to sink to take out their competitors. And that's the, you know, that's just idiotic horse shit, just like the rest of the garbage that Cuenon fills people's heads with. Number three, several wealthy and or influential people who are aboard the Titanic, a major factor that fueled the coverage of the ship sinking was the number of wealthy and noted, no worthy individuals aboard, such as Mr. and Mrs. John Jacob Astor, Benjamin Guggenheim, major archibald, Willenham, but President Taf's

military aid, J. Pruss Ismay, managing director of the Weiss Starline, William T. Steed, well-known English editor. Guy I like to talk about mummies. Is it our Strauss, wealthy New York merchant and Macy's owner and his wife, Denver millionaire, Margaret Molly Brown, and many others that we didn't discuss for the sake of time. Some of them would survive, some of them would not, life is so unpredictable. Spend your short time on this earth

with the people important to you. Number four, Robert Ballard was given just 15 days to find the Titanic and he did it. He was testing his new submarine the Argo as he searched for the Titanic. And in 1985, he found one of the ship's boilers eventually leading him and his team to the whole of the Titanic. That must have felt pretty good. Number five, new info, stewardess and nurse, Violet Jessup survived the Titanic and before the Titanic she had already survived a different shipwreck that of the Olympic, the Titanic's sister ship, and then after the Titanic she would survive a third shipwreck. Violet was born on October 2nd 1887 in Argentina to Irish parents. She defied death

even as a child. At a young age she contracted tuberculosis and despite the pessimistic opinions of numerous doctors managed to survive. After losing her dad when she was only 16, Violet moved to England with her family when she started school. At the same time, she had to take care of her younger siblings. As her mother was working as a stewardess on cruise ships and spent a lot of time at sea. When her mother became sick, young Violet left school and in 1908, at age 21, started working as a stewardess for the Royal Mail Steam packet company.

In 1910, she became an employee of White Star Line and started working on the biggest civilian vessel of that time, the Olympic. And on September 20, 1911, the Olympic collided with the HMS Hawk, a British warship, especially designed to ram into other ships in Sincum. The Olympic had its whole breached, still managed to sail into port. Violet Jessup was not harmed in that accident. Several months after the Olympic Miss hap, she joined the crew of the Titanic. The young stewardess boarded lifeboat 16, was later rescued by RMS Carpathia.

Together with many other pastors, she was 25. You'd think of this point that Violet would not push her luck with ships anymore, but she did. When World War I began, the third of the Olympic class luxurious ocean liners was employed by the British Naval authorities as a hospital ship. On November 13th, 1915, the Britannic was renamed H.M.H.S.

his Magetese Hospital Ship and put under the command of Captain Charles Bartlett. The ship transported wounded soldiers from the Mediterranean back to Great Britain and Violet Jessup worked as a nurse on the mobile hospital. The ship completed five successful voyages on this route before suffering a tragic destiny similar to that of her sister, the Titanic. November 21, 1916, as I said earlier, the Britannic was in the

Aegean Sea when she hit a mine planted by a German submarine and sunk. Violet Jessup found her way into a lifeboat again, then was nearly killed again when a piece of the ship's propeller hit her in the head. She suffered a massive head injury, somehow managed to survive her third maritime disaster, and then when the war was over, she continued to work on boats for many years. She kept working for the White Star Line and before finally retiring in 1950,

she worked for two more cruise companies, the Red Star Line, And again, with the Royal Mail line, she traveled around the world twice, also at a short marriage. When she finally retired from her job as a stewardess, she settled down in Suffolk, even though she'd managed to survive three shipwrecks. Shipwrecks, her injury from the Propeller, still gave her trouble, gave her trouble for the rest of her life. And then she died in 1971 at the age of 84 due to heart failure. And that is it for the top five takeaways. Time suck, top five takeaways. The Titanic has been sunk.

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Last I checked, Sergeant Awesome in the lead of Round Two. With 6,687 points with just a few days left, Ryan O'Neal hot, Sergeant Awesome in the lead of round two with 6,687 points with just a few days left. Ryan O'Neill hot on Sergeant Awesome's heels with 6,733 points. I am in 41st place currently, even though I tried my best. New round starts three hours after this episode drops at 3pm Monday, September 7th. Who will get the second coveted cowboy pigeon trophy? Next week on Time Sock, we take a look at the LA riots of 1992. Tragic events pitted the African American community, the Latino and Hispanic community, the Korean community, and the very white at the time, LAPD community, all against each

other, and a little urban war zone known as Los Angeles. A major outbreak of violence, looting in ar arson began on April 29, 1992 and responds to the acquittal of four white LA police officers on all but one charge on which the jury was deadlocked, connected with a severe beating, the videotaped beating of an African American motorist named Rodney King in March of 91. As a result of several days of rioting, dozens of people were killed more than 2300 were injured and thousands arrested. Over a thousand buildings were damaged.

Total property damage was estimated to be around a billion dollars, which made the riots one of the most costly and violent civil disruptions in American history. So much to the story. It was a chaotic moment in American history, one very relevant to today. In part of the city, people defended their stores on rooftops with guns will not far away. More than one person was drug from their vehicles and nearly beaten to death by strangers only to be saved by other pastors or other strangers. I still got the ship my head.

The LA riots of 92, part of a long history of racially based riots in the US. What did we learn from them? To the next week as I'll attempt to look at the bigger picture and see if we can figure out why history continues to repeat itself. And now let's head on over to this week's Time Sucker Updates. Updates? Get your time sucker updates! An anonymous mental health working meat sack sent in the following message, I love it. Hey shrub fucker. Regarding little dicky chase, you mentioned that you use meth a bunch.

I work as a mid-level provider in a small community non-profit, non-profit, psych, and addiction mental medicine clinic. My god, in Arizona. I struggle often with the side of the psychosis is methamphetamine induced and then shit got crazy or if shit got crazy, then the meth use started as a way of self-medication. Sadly, it's never a great ending, but working so closely with families all these years, I can't help but identify with the folks dealing with mentally ill family and friends. If you read this, can I get a shout out to my personal big,

titty, wicked, sensey humor and heartfelt, Molvisty. Molkovisty, I don't know what that term means. Amy, she turned me on to the suck with the Albert Fish episode. She'd appreciate it. Thanks, and I appreciate you taking mental health stuff with the suck with the Albert Fish episode. She depreciated. Thanks, and I appreciate you taking mental hell stuff with the grain of salt in your podcast. Well, thank you, anonymous do-goodter, and thanks for dishing out some pipe-and-hot peanut butter.

Amy, showbiz! First off, good for you for doing the work that you do. Can't imagine how draining it must be at times. And I think the big takeaway with math in general is just don't ever do it ever. Mentally ill or not, I'm pretty open-minded when it comes to drug use. I've done a fair amount of different drugs, never to meth.

And I have friends who have, none of them talk about, man, I wish I could do some more meth. I wish I could do so much more meth. I mean, maybe kind of like as a joke, but not really. It's just so many toxic chemicals. Cooked up in so many different ways,

you never know how it's like cut up, all the ways it's cut up are bad. Richard Chase may not have been a great dude without meth, but meth certainly did not help. Such a rough drug. Such a dirty drug. In addition to destroying your brain, it also is so hard on you.

Physically, a couple of kids I went to high school with got way into meth for a couple of years. And I saw them 10, 11 years after graduation and they look like they had aged legitimately 25 years. And good on you again for helping families deal with, uh, heavy shit. Local sack, local Idaho sack, Nathan Cameron wrote in a very short, but very cool message. He wrote, Dear master of all suck, I'll keep this long. Thanks to the Cult of the Curious Facebook page, I've connected with an awesome Aussie

meat sack. I'd love for you to do a shout out to top shelf sacks. Got finley. This community is so amazing for a potato lizard to talk to awesome Aussie meat sack. I'd love for you to do a shout out to top shelf sacks got fendly This community is so amazing for a potato lizard to talk to an Aussie sack is just mine bogging three out of five stars Hail Nimrod Idaho lizard Nathan Dude, I love that Nate. That's awesome, man, and yeah, Scott. Thanks for uh, thanks for joining the the cult to the curious Facebook page Meet in some Idaho folk not always easy making international friends, living in Idaho. Not the most multicultural state, especially if you don't live in Boise.

I love how through the culture, the Curious, you can connect with people from around the world, who enjoy at least some of what you enjoy to give you a start and off point, conversationally. And I think it's so important to have friends in different places. It's just different countries, different points of view, it's just broad and your perspective. Let's see the world through some new lenses, which tends to increase tolerance. Maybe make you a little bit less to indulge in stereotypes and nationalistic tendencies. America's great, but it's one of many great nations around the world.

Hail Nimrod, fellow Idahoan. Next up, we have a message from a. Sorry, this would kill me. Next up, we have a message from a real bitch ass hoe who needs to go shit her mother fucking pants. This is all gonna make sense in a second. Bitch ass hoe writes, please keep me anonymous. Hey Dan, sorry, this is a bit of a long email.

I'm a listen to time, so I've for a while now and just listened to the killer kid's episode. I teach middle school and had quite the experience with a potential killer kid. I was picking up my classroom one day after school, found a student's planner, had been left behind, started to flip through it to figure out who it was so I can return it. I came across two pages full of a journal like entry that described how much the student wanted to kill me.

I attached pictures of it for you, saw those. Also, I'm going to write up a transcript of what she wrote. Here goes. And this is accurate based on the pictures. Who the fuck let this teacher teach here? And when I say teacher, that's, you know, to keep her anonymous. Who the fuck let this teacher teach here? She makes me want to fucking kill myself, not even joke and bitch.

She is such a little slut. Go kill yourself, you fucking little slut. She should go shit her fucking pants, ho. Wouldn't be surprised if she got fired, bitch ass ho, don't know how to act. If the purge was real, she would be my target. This teacher is a bitch at ho, who needs to fuck off and go shit her mother fucking pants.

That little slut couldn't even find a job at a different school. She is absolute asset teaching. She fucking wore the same pair of jeans for a fucking week, bitch. I thought last teacher was bad before I mother fucking met this teacher. She a whore and she don't know how to act. Want to murder that hoe. What the actual fuck is her problem? She can't fucking do anything right.

Why can't she just fuck off? She needs to get murdered. That little shit makes me so mad. Fucking hell fuck you teacher. Wow. So yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Possible future killer kid. The student got suspended

for two weeks and thankfully was homeschooled after her suspension, so I didn't have to ever see her again. Teachers go through so much shit and it hardly gets dealt with properly. In my case, my principal never even asked if I was okay or if I needed anything. I hope that you read this during one of your future time sucker updates so I can hear what you have to say about it. I know that whatever you have to say about it will make me laugh and help me deal with the emotions and negative feelings I still have because of this. Thanks for all you do. Sincerely, the bitch yes, the bitch yes, so who needs to go shit her mother fucking pants.

Uh, wow. Uh, well, first off, bitch, so you need to get more motherfucking pants. I mean, come on, she has a fair point. How are you supposed to teach those kids we're in the same motherfucking bitch ass slut pants every day? And then when you get those extra pants, you need to take a motherfucking shit in them. Why?

I don't, I don't know, that wasn't made clear. It's seriously, glad that little brat got suspended. I hope she got in trouble at home. I doubt she probably did. Most kids in my opinion when they act like that are not living in a household full of firm rules. And parents not afraid to call them out on their shit and punish them, right?

They're parents are distracted, maybe too busy working or just shitty parents or something. One of my kids is some shit like that. Oh my God, A, I would think it was kind of funny because I've fucked up since the humor and the pants lines specifically would kill me. But then B, they would be in so much trouble,

picking weeds in the yards for hours, their phone would be gone. Actually in that instance, I think I would literally take their phone and smash it in front of them and then throw the pieces in the trash. Right, you can have a new one in six months if you're not still a huge psychotic asshole.

And shame on your emotionally dead principal for not checking in with you. I know there are some great principles out there, but like with any job, some of them are shit. Hope that one kid doesn't ruin the teaching experience for you. Hope you can think about all the other kids who do not write shit like that. Kids who raise their hands, want to learn,

kids who are thankful for the knowledge, you give them every day, knowledge that if they absorb it, we'll lead them to become better citizens. Then the kid who got suspended will probably become kids who appreciate the pants that you wear and don't want you to shit them. For everyone listening, please support teachers. Don't let them get away with bullshit if you have a bad one, of course, but in general, please support that profession.

They're molding our future politicians, police officers, scientists, doctors, business and community leaders. They shape the future and I don't want to retire someday. And so I'm going to fucked up ThunderD up thunder dome mad Max type of dystopian nightmare because no one gives them any support. Hope that made you feel better. Hope you did bring a smile to your face. Now for a common slot message.

These as you know, just kill me. This comes from SuperSack. Ken Blass, I'm guessing. BLAS. Blass, Ken Bloss, who writes, third times the charm, hey, Suck and Stein, Suck Rogers. Nice, I like that one. Mustache-Shield Guardian of Nimrod's Temple of Knowledge.

Okay, okay, killing it. Sir Dan Cummins, I can't totally blame you for this one, so let's start with the fact that it's never a good idea to pump gas and listen to time suck with your car door open and said podcast, blaring on your radio. Sure, there were no cars at the time. Car pulls up on the other side of me. I'm oblivious listening to the Richard Chase episode and you get to the part where he goes

to the psychiatrist for his ED problems and proceeds to get yelled at by the psychiatrist that he's a limp dick, Thomas boy, and should man up. I finished pumping, go to get in the car and the guy next to me is giving me a, if looks could kill, you would be dead, you asshole look. Perhaps it hit a rod nerve, or maybe it's just a tight ass. Looks don't kill, only in a scared-of-dest story. I'm also a creeper, so I give the guy a shrug and smirk, she could teeloas in my head, going,

what's this big deal? And drive off realizing there is something satisfying and very funny about Cummins' law situations. Keep up the good work with my two favorite diversions for the week. Suck hard, boss man of the cult of the curious, hail Nimrod, good boy, Bojangles, what's up Lucifina, loyal meetsat, Ken Bloss, PS, the title comes from the facts, my third commons law encounter. Well, thank you, Ken, and I hope, sorry if I fucked every name, you know I'm bad at names, you get it.

This made me laugh so hard. I often think as I record these episodes, what is someone gonna think if they hear like this part of the episode, you know, out of context? How many times will that guy reflect on that moment? Like how will he make sense of it? What the fuck, did he think that you were listening to? Ah, so many questions, they'll never be answered for him. Thank you for sharing this and making me laugh so hard.

One more, I got a much needed update about an area of Idaho near where I grew up that I've been through many times that I clearly don't know enough about. From kickass sucker, destiny, who writes, dear master sucker, I just listened to the Walt Disney suck and found myself eagerly awaiting your description of his wife, Lillian.

As a resident of the great state of Idaho, like yourself, I was optimistic. You'd throw in the interesting Idaho, Idaho trivia about her hometown. I was especially excited because I graduated from that very same fancy high school and called a surrounding dire straits. My hometown just as Lilian once did. And as a former lap way resident, I have a few things to say. First, go fuck fair. Secondly, I get it. The Nesperce reservation is all my people. The Nemi-Pu have left after the Nesperce war of 1877

against the US government. And I'm hesitating on purse because I heard it as pierced someone's hands growing up, but thank you for putting the phonetic guide in there of purse. So yeah, I'll say that again. The Nesperce reservation is all my people. The Nemi-Pu have left after the Netic guide in there of Perse. So yeah, I'll say that again. The Ness Perse reservation is all my people. The Neemipu have left after the Ness Perse War of 1877 against the US government or had left.

The war itself was an incredibly interesting topic of discussion from the battle of Big Hole in Montana where women and children were slaughtered indiscriminately from the men to the thousand-mile pursuit of our chiefs led by US Army generals that ended just short of the Canadian border to chief Joseph's famous quote from where the sun now stands, I will fight no more forever. Even more interesting and relevant though is the topic of the BIA, the Bureau of Indian Affairs within the US Department of the Interior created by the war department. From its early concerted efforts to remove and relocate indigenous people to the surprisingly recent and sinister history of the euphemistic boarding schools, the BIA has deep implications in extrapolating the pervasive issues of flicking reservation towns like my fairly described

lap way, even to this day, as the managers of all tribal land. So while I am a person who vehemently believes that personal choice is the primary force guiding our lives, whether for the better or worse, rough reservation towns like Lapway have a slightly more complicated history than most run down in poverty-written communities you might drive your kids through as a life lesson.

It's my hope that this brief history is part of your conversation with Kyler Monroe next time you're passing through Lapway at the very least. I hope you know, I don't actually take any offense by your comments because they're quite accurate. Lapway is rough, and I only spent the time to write this because I know you know, I don't actually take any offense by your comments because they're quite accurate. Lap way is rough. And I only spent the time to write this because I know you of anyone might appreciate the small snippet of background for the tiny town in your commute and may even go so far to learn

a bit more about my people, the Nemi Poo who have a rich and proud history in the region. And even if you end up reading it, oh, and if you even end up reading this and it by some chance makes a future time sucker update, I would be remiss without asking, would you mind giving my husband Nick a shout out? We met at the aforementioned lap way high school nearly 10 years ago, and he's been a devout sucker since early episodes. Thank you so much,

wishing you all the best. Hail, name, Rod, and praise, but Jango's testing. Well, testing, first off, clearly the lap way high education, it's fucking stronger than semi-river high education I received, because I have never confidently I don't think throne remiss into a sense and felt confident I could pull it off.

Thank you for that extra knowledge and thank you Nick. Look at you two high school sweethearts. And yes, I will pass along this information to Kyler Monroe. I feel like Kyler probably already notes. I'm not sure why or even exactly when it started, but he has been very into American Indian history lately and very angry about the many injustices carried out against various tribes, basically all the tribes by the US government over the years. Also as far as kind of extra information about, you know, your people, I do often stop a tolo lake on my way home, cutting across Kamis Prairie, former Nets Perse gathering place, place used for gathering food such as the the campus routes and for meetings with neighboring bands and for connecting people living

near the snake river to people living near the salmon. And also just saw the Nesperce petroglyphs that are near the Pittsburgh Landing just a few weeks ago again. So thanks for throwing this extra information my way. Destiny, I really do appreciate it. I do love learning more about your people, especially you don't after growing up so near them. I will look at Lapway with new eyes going forward and hail Nimrod everyone. Thank you for your messages. Thanks, time suckers.

I need a net. We all did. That's all for this week, me and Zach. Thanks for continuing to rate and review TimeSuck. I appreciate it. We all do here. Don't sink in the Atlantic this week and also... Buh, buh, buh, buh, buh, buh, buh, buh, buh, buh, buh, buh, buh, buh, buh, buh,

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