Timesuck with Dan Cummins - 214 - The Granny Ripper

Episode Date: October 19, 2020

For roughly fifteen years, an unassuming Russian woman named Tamara Samsonova may have secretly murdered between ten and perhaps as many as fourteen people. When she was finally arrested in 2015, she ...was sixty-eight years old and just weeks removed from her final, gruesome murder. Her age and the way she dismembered her victims’ bodies led to her “Granny Ripper” nickname. She was also given the name “Babushka Yaga” due to rumors of cannibalism, her interest in the occult, and the fact that her overall look led many to label her a real-life Baba Yaga. When Samsonova’s story broke in the press, the Russian tabloids went buck wild and started claiming that Babusha Yaga ate her victims. That she killed in order to complete dark occult rituals. The current belief in the occult is very, very strong in Russia. Faith healers, witches, sorcerers - YES, SORCERERS - very much in demand in Russia today. More so than actual medical doctors. And today, we explore all of this and more on another crazy, Russian edition of Timesuck. We donated $7200 to Girls in the Know. In a world that's hard on women, the mission of Girls in the Know is to empower girls to embrace a strong sense of self. To find out more, visit: www.girlsintheknow.org Watch the Suck on YouTube: https://youtu.be/VaVqT97nC-AMerch - https://badmagicmerch.com/ Discord! https://discord.gg/tqzH89v Want to join the Cult of the Curious private Facebook Group? Go directly to Facebook and search for "Cult of the Curious" in order to locate whatever current page hasn't been put in FB Jail :) For all merch related questions: https://badmagicmerch.com/pages/contact Please rate and subscribe on iTunes and elsewhere and follow the suck on social media!! @timesuckpodcast on IG and http://www.facebook.com/timesuckpodcast Wanna become a Space Lizard? We're over 9500 strong! Click here: https://www.patreon.com/timesuckpodcast Sign up through Patreon and for $5 a month you get to listen to the Secret Suck, which will drop Thursdays at Noon, PST. You'll also get 20% off of all regular Timesuck merch PLUS access to exclusive Space Lizard merch. You get to vote on two Monday topics each month via the app. And you get the download link for my new comedy album, Feel the Heat. Check the Patreon posts to find out how to download the new album and take advantage of other benefits.

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Russia's granny ripper for roughly 15 years and unassuming Russian woman named Tamara Samsonova may have secretly murdered between 10 and perhaps as many as 14 people She was finally arrested in 2015 she was 68 years old just weeks removed from her final gruesome murder Her age and the way she dismembered her victims bodies led to her granny ripper nickname She's also given the nickname of Babushka Yaga due to rumors of cannibalism, her interest in the occult and the fact that her overall look led many to label her a real life Baba Yaga. She was finally caught when some of her victims body parts were found dumped haphazardly near her apartment. Despite having her own apartment nearby, please found her residing in the nearby residence of her last victim, not a good look. When they walked
Starting point is 00:00:44 in, there was blood on the walls. There was a saw she'd used to cut her poor victim up just laying out in the open and even worse look. And then as if the police needed any more evidence of her guilt, investigators obtained a CCTV footage of her hauling body parts out of the murdered woman's apartment in bags, including what would turn out to be a head in a covered cooking pot.
Starting point is 00:01:05 When Sam Sonova's story broke into the press, the Russian tabloids went buck-wile and started without any real proof claiming that Babushka Yaga ate her victims that she killed in order to complete dark occult rituals. Many Russians based on the press her story received believed that Tamara Sam Sonova was an actual witch as well. Crazy, right? It is crazy. It's all a very Russian thing to believe as well. Current belief in the occult is very strong in Russia today. Faith-healers, witches, sorcerers, yes, sorcerers, currently very much in demand.
Starting point is 00:01:37 More so than actual medical doctors. A highly entertaining, a preposterously, gloriously vodka soaked Russian episode waits today on TimeSuck. This is Michael McDonald and you're listening to TimeSuck. You're listening to TimeSuck. Happy Monday and work can wait. I'm Dan Kelman, the suck master, the master's sucker, and you're listening to Time Suck. Hail Nimrod, praiseable Jangels,
Starting point is 00:02:11 Hail Lucifina and Glory B2, Michael Motherfuck and McDonald. I know many of you spaces are wondering how I'm doing health wise, some of you time suckers who listen to the Secret Suck. I guess it's a time suckers, I'm a time suckers. Well, I recorded this episode early, not long after last week's Secret S. Still not feeling that great. Still waiting for my COVID results should have them soon. Joe and I are the only ones in the office.
Starting point is 00:02:33 If you're curious, we're in separate rooms doing everything I can to be extra safe and not spread it. I'm sure by next week's show before I will have answers about the COVID. Fucking 2020. Good news. I had this granny ripper suck prepped before my body felt like someone took a baseball bat to it and before night sweats kept me from sleeping before my skin felt like someone rubbed it with light sandpaper. I do feel plenty good enough to tell this story today.
Starting point is 00:03:00 At the moment, I'm hopped up on a dayquel, fucking tylin' all, 75 vitamins. And I feel good enough to tell this story. My voice feels fine, my chest doesn't feel bad, my lungs feel great, my dick is still 3 to 4 feet long depending on my mood and the lunar cycle. Hail Nimrod and here we go! For those of you who didn't make it to the end of last week's time, sucker updates, excited to say that bad magic productions gave $7,200 to girls in the node.org. This is a great organization. The mission of girls in the node is to empower girls to embrace a strong sense of self. Because every seven seconds a girl is bullied, one out of two or one or two of every hundred
Starting point is 00:03:41 students, female students will struggle with an eating disorder. One in 14 girls has an STI. Seven out of 10 girls believe they're not good enough. Don't measure up in some way in America today. And girls and outputs on four week empowerment workshops led by female professionals and our donation will help a whole bunch of girls be able to take these workshops for free. I was really inspiring last week to read about how passionate, lovely young meets at Grace at Baffy is about making a difference
Starting point is 00:04:08 in the lives of young girls. We need more graces in the world. Time suck, Varsity Jack in the store today at BadMagicMarch.com for anyone who wants to add some prep to their suck, to their fall, and once again, we've flown through the announcements. Only the other thing I want to add before we jump into today's show is a little bit of comedy.
Starting point is 00:04:26 A funny recent review of Time Sok on Apple Podcasts. Last week's Hollow Earth Theory episode is pissing people off which I find highly amusing. It did not amuse Benjamin Brow who gave Time Sok two stars. I'm surprised he gave us two. It feels like a one star rating. It feels like a one star rating. Because he writes, if you're looking for commentary that agrees with the mainstream narrative of history and quote, science, this is the podcast for you. Basically an audio version of Wikipedia with jokes.
Starting point is 00:04:54 This review came in hours after the hollow earthy resuck came out. Clearly, Ben did not care for me shitting on the possibility of a whole other world existing beneath us. I just love that he wrote science and quotes. Like, like, as a fucking upper debate. Oh, you saw you believe in science? Okay. We have some funny hollow earth messages coming in today's time-soccer updates as well. That was such a fun episode to do. And this one I think I like even more. So let's get to it. Russian murder time. [♪ OUTRO MUSIC PLAYING [♪ [♪ arrested in St. Petersburg in 2015 at the age of 68, now 73. She'll probably never live free again. The possibility is out there that she could, which is terrifying.
Starting point is 00:05:39 Rested for two murders, she's currently under investigation for 14 murders. We think the numbers are a little fuzzy. Why they're fuzzy will be made clear later on mostly because Russia Despite the fact that Tamara Samsonova never had any children the Western world nicknamed her the granny ripper. It's catchy. I get it She is who the spaces are to have chosen for us to suck upon today hailed a space as her in their dark preferences In the Russian press Samsonova has been given several nicknames, including Babushka Yaga, a pun on the supernatural monster of Slavic folklore, Babiyaga, another solid nickname, also been called Psycho,
Starting point is 00:06:13 less creative, but very apt. Some news outlets in Russia called Sam Snowba, Chikotilo in a skirt, also kind of fitting. Her crimes would be called Nightmare on Demetro Street. As far as nicknames go, this killer killing it. Well done Russian tabloids. You don't hold back when it comes to sensationalizing crimes. And they're not wrong. Her crimes are nightmares.
Starting point is 00:06:34 We're nightmares. Her story reads more like something out of a grim brother's dark fairy tales book than it does the story of a real person. Many people in Russia today remember the stories of their childhood, the warnings not to go down certain streets under the woods alone, thought that Sam Sonova came straight from Russian folklore to wreak havoc on the people of St. Petersburg. A real witch running amongst us. Her tale was a wee bit harder than normal to piece together today because we had to rely almost entirely on Russian sources, specifically local St.
Starting point is 00:07:02 Petersburg sources, and they are fucking terrible. And that's sure how many days you have to go to school to become a Russian newspaper tabulated journalist, but it feels like two or maybe three tops. The paper's ran some pretty wild articles about Sam Snowva before law enforcement actually released much official information. How many people should may have killed varies quite a bit from article to article. And either Google translate really struggle sometimes when converting Russian to English or some Russian journalists are barely literate.
Starting point is 00:07:30 I'm not trying to be inflammatory here. It's just holy shit. It was hard to read some of these articles. It felt like her story kept getting assigned to the intern or the new guy or something. It wrote some incredibly odd hard to decipher crazy shit about her. Despite these hindrances, through the various accounts we were able to find, we were able to get more than enough to tell what I think is a very entertaining tale. A tale that is so very deliciously Russian in moments.
Starting point is 00:07:55 Russia has yet to let me down when it comes to voyeuristic entertainment value, when it comes to the sheer magnitude of what the fuck is happening, just moments. A look into the granny ripper will lead us into looking into Russia's long held and current obsession with the occult black magic faith healing. And man, is this side road going to be worth it? Maybe my favorite part of this suck. Russia is just the gift that keeps on giving. Keeps delivering some hits.
Starting point is 00:08:20 Some highly entertaining Russian Wacketed will believe us up ahead. So hail Nimrod and thank you for the Russian entertainment blessings You have bestowed upon us this week hail Russia After dive into her alleged witchery we will follow Tamara Samson of his life and times as best we can and Then after our timeline will zoom out from her life take a look at some other granny killers across the world women Who's crimes were written about by journalists who actually seem to have made it past their grade There are more lady killers out there than I thought, and more geriatric lady killers than I thought. Might be looking at your Nana in a new light after this suck, a sleep with one eye open
Starting point is 00:08:53 kind of light. Just because she has blue hair, velcro, orthopedic shoes, nose away around some fresh baked cookies, don't think that means she's harmless. You remember, I might have memories of cutting off the heads of her enemies from when she was a younger lass or from yesterday. Hell, your sweet sweet and anna might have a fresh head and her fridge right now. Maybe that is a secret ingredient. She puts in her cookies to make him taste, oh, so good. The one she keeps telling you with a twinkler in her eyes is a secret when you ask. Maybe it's not sea salt.
Starting point is 00:09:20 Maybe it's not some special brown sugar or extra dark chocolate chips. Maybe it's the decapitated head of an acquaintance. It's been a long time since we sucked on a female serial killer, not since July of 2019, the bell gunna suck. Hoingy boingy. Uff, da, uff, da. And this is the first time we've sucked on a truly modern female serial killer. Bell gunna's died over 100 years ago in 1908.
Starting point is 00:09:40 The granny ripper's still alive and I was going to say, well, she's not alive in well. She doesn't seem to have ever been well. Doesn't seem to have ever been in and I was gonna say well. She's not alive and well. She doesn't seem to have ever been well. Doesn't seem to have ever been in the fucking ballpark of well. While Tamara Samsonova's story did not get much attention here in the United States, I certainly never heard of her before seeing her on the topic list.
Starting point is 00:09:56 Her crimes were front page news in Russia back in 2015. Part of what led to her receiving so much sensationalist press was the sheer brutality of her crimes. She didn't just kill she butchered Also the granny ripper appears to have as I touched on been very interested in the occult and one murder some torn pages from her quote book of spells Which found along with the remains of a victim creepy Then those torn pages were determined to have matched the mission Excuse me the missing pages of a book found in her apartment exactly, fairly incriminating.
Starting point is 00:10:28 Details like this got a lot of people in Russia talking. Many people started to think that she was a real life honest to God, evil witch, sacrificing Russian souls to appease some sort of dark master. The crime details played into Russia's long standing belief in the occult and witchcraft of belief we're going to look at right now. Turns out that Russia's history with the occult and black magic practices is long and varied. The most widespread religion in Russia today is officially Russian Orthodox Christianity, same as it's been for centuries, until the 10th century, Slavic people were pagan.
Starting point is 00:10:59 And after the grand prince of Kiev, Vladimir, Svyatislich, aka Vlad the Great, not the Impaler, converted to Christianity, he began a campaign to baptize Russians population and work. He made it to state religion in 987 CE, and by the time the princes of Moscow became Zars in the 16th century, the head of the Russian monarchy was a religious figure as well as a political one. As we learn in our Ivan the terrible suck.
Starting point is 00:11:24 And today, despite decades of anti-religious communism, Russia still on the surface, very Christian, according to a 2017 survey, 71% of Russians identify as Russian Orthodox. They may not actually go to church, but that's how they identify. But despite being a heavily Christian nation, again, on the surface, even after most of the population became Russian Orthodox centuries ago, many Russian peasants continued to believe in the presence of a cult magic. They'd go to church on Sunday, then work on spells and potions and shit the rest of the week, and I'm only kind of half kidding there. Many still believe in ancient non-Christian
Starting point is 00:11:59 occult beliefs in America, not common for someone to identify as Christian, and also go seek their neighborhood sorcerer out to help them with their health or any number of other problems. That's very common in Russia, which I had a neighborhood sorcerer. How fun. When giving someone the lay of the land, you know, telling somebody how the neighborhood is, how fun to be like, that's Dean over there. He used to be a judge.
Starting point is 00:12:22 Jim and Barb next door, there used to be accounts. Those people run the cycling shop on East Sherman. The ones that live just right down the street there. Oh, and that guy over there on the corner, that's Pat. He's our local sorcerer. For many Russians and centuries, Pat continued up into today any personal misfortune, including impotence, illness, death, crop failure, the death, a livestock, etc. Often construed as an act of witchcraft or of spoiling
Starting point is 00:12:47 porkah. In centuries past peasants could attempt to defend themselves against witchcraft by turning to magical, magical practitioners who lived in and around their villages, magical practitioners included healers, fortune tellers, and sorcerers. Three categories. I love that these were three different categories and still are parts of Russia. And then all these people would be hard to defend, you know, from witches, from the attacks of witches. So there's like healers, fortune tellers, sorcerers, and witches. One primary difference
Starting point is 00:13:17 between healers and sorcerers was the belief that sorcerers derived their powers from an unclean force, which might refer to the assistance of petty demons, or the unclean dead, those who had drowned, committed suicide, died on baptized, or a practice sorcery while living. A picture of the village sorcerer talking shit about the village healer. Like, you know, if you're gonna go to one or the other, to get like a fucking curse removed or something, just throwing some shade on the business competitors. Are you to tell me you think the Metri can get rid of witch hacks placed on coats? Ha! That's so cold. Heeler could not place bandaid on paper cut. That crazy talk I hear. The Metri, the healer.
Starting point is 00:13:55 Even baby witch plays curse too strong for him to help. No, you need strong sorcerer for job. You need master of dark arts. Someone not afraid to get wizard hands dirty. You need me fear door the powerful. Look at all my wizard hat is. Does Demetri have tall wizard hat like this? No, no. He have sad healer sandals. He have old dirty robe. Maybe he do still have okaying dot-gating for birthday a few many years back. I'm not lying. It's can't pretty cool. But I have smooth black wizard wand, very cooler.
Starting point is 00:14:25 It's not comparison. Look how shiny full of spells it may be. Also do not tell others, but I like you. I like you very much. I take a car soft goes for half price. I know rip you off like the meter guy. I do it for two rubles. In the late 19th, early 20th century,
Starting point is 00:14:41 perceived fading credibility of the Russian Orthodox Church in the face of rapid industrialization and political upheaval ignited more interest in the occult than Russia had seen in centuries. It appeared to many that Jesus was not helping him. He wasn't here in the prayer, so they turned at the gods of old. Interest in the occult cut across political divisions and class lines, sophisticated occult doctrines coexisted often in the same people or organizations with to cult doctrines co-existed often in the same people or organizations with ideas or practices taken from Kabbalah, Buddhism, Yoga, Siberian shamanism, practices of various mystical sectarian and folk beliefs. And no one was this mixture more apparent than in the Russian mystic, Madame Helena Blavatsky. We talked about this maniac again a bit last week. Blavatsky,
Starting point is 00:15:21 keep showing up. Born August 12th in 1831 in Ukraine, Madame Blavatsky became interested in occultism and spiritualism and for many years traveled extensively throughout Asia, Europe and the US. Also claimed to have spent years in Indian Tibet studying under Hindu gurus. She probably didn't do that. Probably didn't do the Tibet trip, but she made others believe she did. She left Russia sometime around 1849 at the age of 18. Maybe she was so unbelievably full of shit. It's hard to take any of her biography seriously. A lot has been written about her. Almost all of it has been written by people who believe all the crazy shit she claimed. Like the claim that she wrote her first book by Claire voyantly seeing the words in the astral plane
Starting point is 00:16:00 and jotting them down via automatic writing. Uh-huh, sounds legit. And who put the words she wrote into the astral plane? The masters. And who are the masters? I'll answer that just a second. In 1875, Blavaskian several other prominent spiritualists formed a Theosophical Society. In 1877, her first major work, ISIS Unveiled,
Starting point is 00:16:21 published in it she criticized a science and religions of her day, asserted that mystical experience was the means to attain true spiritual insight and authority. As presented by Blavatsky, theosophy teaches that there is an ancient and secretive brotherhood of spiritual adepts known as the masters, who, although found across the world, are mostly inti-bet. They believe that these masters are attempting to revive knowledge of an ancient religion once found across the world millions of years ago, which will again come to eclipse the existing
Starting point is 00:16:50 world religions. According to Blavatsky, the masters are ordinary beings who had developed extraordinary powers and knowledge through long and dedicated practice and study. And these mortals would astral project themselves into the astral plane and commute each other and well, you get it. It's fucking crazy. It makes sense that Blavatsky came from Russia. Project themselves into the astral plane and commute each other and well you get it fucking crazy And it makes sense that Lovatsky came from Russia growing up in Russia made a much more likely she would come up with this
Starting point is 00:17:16 Spiritual belief system new occult systems including the osophy were attracting many series and dedicated Adherence from amongst the intellectual and artistic Russian elites in the mid-late 19th century Spiritualism introduced into Russia in the mid 19th century by two university professors who claimed it was backed by science, was just becoming popular as we'll ask you was reaching her late teen years. Spiritualism attracted so many adherents in Russia that sayances were even held on a regular basis at the Royal Court. A special commission headed by the famous chemist, Demetri Mendelov, inventor of the periodic table of elements, was tasked in 1874 and 1875 with testing the claims of spiritualism. Not surprisingly, he and his commission found that
Starting point is 00:17:52 the claims could not be scientifically replicated, tested, verified, nothing. And not surprisingly, also a few cared what he thought. Stupid scientist! And many continued to believe in witches and sorcerers and mediums, clairvoyance, healers, psychics, etc. The tumultuousness of the early 20th century only brought more people to various spiritual sex as a search for meaning in an increasingly mechanized and thanks to the Russian Revolution of World War I and incredibly violent world. After the Soviet government took control, the new communists in charge declared a separation of church and state nationalized all church held lands, and then these
Starting point is 00:18:25 early administrative measures quickly followed by brutal state sanctioned persecutions that included the wholesale destruction of churches, and the arrest and execution of many church leaders. The Soviet government did not want anyone to find any meaning in anything that was not communism, but not even Stalin and his gulags could eradicate the Russian belief in the occult. Many Russians now carried on with their occult practices and secret, some even used their occult knowledge to try to take down Soviet government. 1920 to three years after the Bolshevik seized power, the Czech-State Security Organization,
Starting point is 00:18:59 forrunner to the KGB, was tipped off about a gathering of occultists on the outskirts of Petrograd, now St. Petersburg. According to biophysicist Alexander Jashewski, who witnessed the Czech arrayed, officers burst into the building and arrested the occultists in the middle of their attempt to place literal curses on Vladimir Linden, Joseph Stalin, and Leon Trotsky by concentrating their thoughts on photos of the Soviet leaders. And then, because Russia, these would be psychic assassins were quickly executed. What an incredibly, uh, a strange thing to do and be, be executed for.
Starting point is 00:19:37 Imagine these occultist kids later trying to explain what had happened to their parents. Your dad was killed trying to assassinate Stalin. Yes, and Lenin and't trust him as well. Holy shit, did he get shot off before he died? Yeah, he did not have gun. Bomb name, did he try to blow them up? That's incredible. No, not bomb, makes a...
Starting point is 00:19:57 Knife, he tried to stab them. Now he... Hey, uh... He stared at the pictures with the evil in his heart. What? He gets caught staring at the pictures with bad thoughts in mind. He tried to curse them today. So they catch you in the shot.
Starting point is 00:20:14 Russia so much insanity over the years. If you could get shot for wishing death on the president in America, I'm pretty sure that each and every year for a lot longer than I've been alive, tens of millions of people would be executed. It wasn't just the Kremlin's enemies who attempted to use the cult powers in the early years of Soviet rule. In the 1920s and 30s, the Bolsheviks skillfully adopted rural, occult practices and symbols familiar to newly urbanized peasants and adapted them for use in propaganda. Propaganda posters and slogans referred to unclean forces
Starting point is 00:20:45 and purging ceremonies. Lennon was even more direct announcing his adversaries as vampires. The Bolsheviks themselves may not have believed in the world of magic, indeed, they frequently publicly denounced it, but they also incorporated a cult and quasi-acult ideas into the mythologies they constructed around leaders like Lennon and Stalin. Superhuman powers, a wisdom were attributed to both men, often taking on particularly in Stalin's case,
Starting point is 00:21:10 a near mystical quality. And Stalin himself may have actually turned to a cult practices. Although there is no real proof that Stalin himself believed in the occult, there are rumors, have been rumors for years, that the Soviet dictator employed these services of one Natalia Lavova, described as a third generation which, the daughter of a self-proclaimed and widely-known clairvoyant. Lavova was supposedly summoned to Moscow by Stalin himself in 1930. According to Igor Obelensky, author of the book The Memoirs of Stalin's Mother, Lavova performed rituals and cast spells that protected the leader from the evil eye and the negative influences of his political opponents.
Starting point is 00:21:49 As a protective measure against black magic, Lovovah reportedly advised Stalin to not be photographed and to not reveal his real date of birth. Be careful, Stalin, they're made of witch. You'll seek to hex and curse you. A shake-ups in the Communist Party, which usually meant to trip to the gulag for the unfortunate
Starting point is 00:22:05 official were whispered to the result. The result of Stalin and Lavov's black magic Kremlin sessions. Fuck it, imagine. That's even a more ridiculous fate than those occultists who are executed for trying to curse Stalin. Being sent to the Gulag for some witch, accusing you of being an enemy of your country. That's some straight-up, salam witch trials, shit. Except it was happening in the 20th century, not the 17th century. Imagine some armed guards coming into your office
Starting point is 00:22:28 or home or wherever just dragging you off to prison, no trial, no crime. Just the 100% unfounded accusation of some wacky dude, a locultist. What are you doing? Get the hand off of me. What did I do? You know what you did, Surgei. You've been conspiring to the Storasha. Do not deny. We have proof. Our most trusted witch tell us. So crazy that really happened to people less than a hundred years ago. With the fall of the Soviet Union, the 80s Russians began to openly turn to the occult in droves, confused, frightened, desperate for ideas to replace the certainties of Marxist
Starting point is 00:23:03 Leninism, with the state no longer telling them exactly how to live their lives, many Russians looked at the paranormal and the occult for answers. All over Russia, urban witches and wizards set up shop to offer magical services. Very much the more things change, the more things stay the same kind of situation. And the modern equivalent of witches and wizards and medieval villages, villages. State television replaced tractor production ports with stuff like psychic healing sessions. I had no idea this was all a thing. No idea that wacky bills were such big business in Russia in the 80s and 90s.
Starting point is 00:23:36 One big faith healer in Russia this time, a faith healer and Antley and toly, excuse me, Keshe Paroski. Antley and Toli, excuse me, Kashporovsky first became famous in October of 1989. Kashporovsky would appeal to viewers to place pots and pans full of water by their television sets during his show so that their contents would be charged with healing properties by being exposed to his powerful waves of telepathic energy. This isn't fucking 1989. A 1990 poll found that 52.3% of respondents believed that Kashporovsky's techniques could cure illnesses. More than half the people who watched this sad fucking clown totally bought his bullshit act.
Starting point is 00:24:17 This guy is fucking terrible. He's still alive. He's 81. He's still pulling this shit. I checked out his website. He considers himself to be a psychotherapist. He's not. He's an obvious fraud.. I checked out his website. He considers himself to be a psychotherapist. He's not. He's an obvious fraud.
Starting point is 00:24:26 Check out his Google translated quote, pulled straight from his super janky website. For the first time in history, Antelay Kaczparowski, remotely via television, performed psychological anesthesia for three surgical operations. To repeat this super miracle, no one in the whole world has succeeded in the past 30 years.
Starting point is 00:24:46 Antily carried out an unprecedented cure for about 10 million people in just six hours of television broadcast. No one ever made such a fantastic gift to humanity. He demonstrated the possibility of getting rid of organic disease. With this most important achievement, he opened a new page in the prevailing medical philosophical ideas about man, infinitely expanding the list of diseases, the overcoming of which turned out to be possible by psychological methods. Holy shit!
Starting point is 00:25:17 How are we not also super healthy right now with this incredible and miraculous healer living amongst us? How is he not cured every disease? Why is it Bill Gates sending this dude to third world countries and healing all the children instead of wasting $10 billion on vaccine research that doesn't have fuck all to do with magic? And this guy is still going strong. He has over 260,000 YouTube subscribers.
Starting point is 00:25:39 He posts new videos every week, usually several. He still dies. His hair very, very jet black, just like he's done for decades based on old pictures. He still rocks the same weird Lloyd from Dumb and Dumber Bullcut. Still wears black turtlenecks. Still looks more like a Sasha Baron co-incaracter than a real fucking person. I wasted way too much time watching this dude's videos on YouTube. Sweet Lord! If you are bored, 10 out of 10 recommend. Download my show notes for this episode via the Timeswuck app or at Timeswuckpodcast.com.
Starting point is 00:26:11 If you need help with the links or the spelling of his name, I need to play you a little chunk of one of his videos. You have to hear this. I can't keep it to myself. It's all in Russian. But I still want you to hear the music. I'll commentate. I'll set the scene, describe a little bit of it.
Starting point is 00:26:23 This video was shot in Los Angeles in 2010. Anatolia is in some kind of sad auditorium of some sort, some kind of multi-purpose room. Reminds me of the one you would rent from like the city, like one you'd find in the middle of like a city park in LA, I've seen these little spots. No more than maybe 1,000, 1,200 square feet tops, just him, few dudes with camcorders, about 15, 20 people,
Starting point is 00:26:43 mostly women who like they're in their 60s, looking to be healed, I guess. Seems like he's not as well-known in America as he is or was in Russia. Ha, ha, ha. Check this, check this shit out. older people walk towards him, and then he makes a little bop motion with his microphone. Kind of half-assed. Not real enthusiastic. And these poor, desperate, being- taking advantage of seniors just fall to the ground.
Starting point is 00:27:12 One guy so funny to me, he falls so slowly. Very carefully lowers himself to the ground, after Anatoliy hits him with a burst of psychic power. So staged. Uh, it feels like a fucking Borat sketch. It is beyond absurd. Oh my god. Here's one of the comments underneath this.
Starting point is 00:27:33 It's so absurd. I blow my mind. This is real. Okay, so Google Translates, this following comment, very, very typical sentiment for the thread based on other ones I translate. I translated the Google translate. Someone named Sveantyok writes, he worked with mentally ill people in Ukraine. He started to notice improvements on patients with physical conditions to after his treatments.
Starting point is 00:27:57 That's how I got into doing healing sessions on TV. Many people got healed in Soviet Union countries by just watching TV, including my relative whose varicose veins disappear. Whoever says he is connected to Satan, never met him, never listen to or understood what he is about. Anatoli is personal future. He's the fucking person of future, guys. Put your fucking head out of your asses. And look at the fucking future. It's Anatoli's there if you pay attention. This is insane. It says he's a psychotherapist, awakening the memory of norm on a cellular level.
Starting point is 00:28:30 When person's body comes back to a healthy state as was planned originally by creator. Okay. He talks about laws of universe according to which everything happening on Earth and if you learn the laws, you can use them to heal yourself. So much whack of doodle. He just used the laws of the can use them to heal yourself. So much whack of doodle.
Starting point is 00:28:46 You just use the laws of the universe to start healing yourself already. Wake up and stop being sick, you dummy. Why am I not doing that? I don't even need to take a COVID test. I should have just called a doctor and like, hey, can you connect me to the laws of the universe? And they're like, what?
Starting point is 00:29:01 You heard me? All right, Illuminati, stop scamming me. Connect me to the laws of the universe. So I can heal myself. Please transfer me to Anatoli. What? I want to talk to the future. I need to talk to the future.
Starting point is 00:29:15 I need to talk to Anatoli. Oh my God. Uh, Russia, you never stopped surprising me. Obviously, after having done the Bobby Yaga suck, I knew that Russian folklore was a real thing. Uh, that there used to be a lot of different superstitious beliefs, and that some carried over to the present day. Having done the Rasputin suck, I knew there was a history of mysticism in Russia, but for some reason, this still all caught me off guard. I didn't know that in post-communist Russia, there was a resurgence of belief in people
Starting point is 00:29:39 like faith healers and witches. And for the super killer suck on Alexander Solanik, and now this one, I got to say, I think 80s, 90s, Russia, it's my favorite Russian era. Russia's new government even seemed to sanction these strange beliefs in the 90s. President Yeltsin gave the green light to a number of bizarre projects, including one that saw state funds pumped into a scheme
Starting point is 00:29:58 to quote extract energy from stones. Ah, and these super crazy beliefs persist to this day, and they are very popular. In Russia, at least as recently as 10 years ago, there were more faith healers than professional medical doctors. You heard that right. In 2010, a psychologist with the Russian Academy of Sciences cited World Health Organization data that indicated there were more occult faith healers in Russia, roughly 800,000 than actual doctors, roughly 640,000. Why does this make me feel better about all the lunatics in America?
Starting point is 00:30:31 Our nation isn't the only one full of hundreds of thousands of people with the critical thinking abilities of lamines. Russians today spend billions a year on the occult, in 2013 the country's leading cardiologist complain that his fellow citizens spent roughly $26 billion in US money every year on a variety of magical and paranormal services. Here's another stat to show how culturally pervasive all this is.
Starting point is 00:30:54 Russia's Academy of Sciences recently estimated that 67% of all Russian women have it one time or another, sought help from a quote, psychic or sorcerer. I love that they keep saying sorcerer. The figure for Russian men one and four. Every time that they like I hear a sorcerer in this talk about Russia, I picture like a Russian Gandalf. Like some dude like a old school, a deed is tracksuit, gold medallion necklace and a Merlin wizard hat. I feel the world be powerful. You're wise to seek my service. You have problems with stomach care.
Starting point is 00:31:25 I know how to fix. I give you amulet of digestion. Look how nice. It's real imitest. It's 14-carre gold. You have problems with neighbor? I fix. Bringing picture.
Starting point is 00:31:35 I have wife plays curse. No problem. See which? I see my wife is which. This week we offer buy one curse. Get one fire elemental conjure spell for free. It's best dealing town. It's 10 times good as chump, fake ass healer,
Starting point is 00:31:47 the me three could give. Something to one of the reasons that many Russians turn to the occult specifically for health related issues recently is because it rushes medical system is notoriously bad. And many parts of the country has been for quite some time. Why risk a dangerous botched operation when you can go to a psychic healer or a fucking sorcerer?
Starting point is 00:32:04 And let us tell you what you wanna hear and not slice you up. Okay, a couple more examples or a couple more quick examples to provide a bit more context, illustrating how the granny ripper being associated with he called being thought of as a witch, not weird or a typical in Russia in recent years. Pretty powerful, of course, actually. Ever heard of a Gregory Grabavoy? If you have, I'm guessing you're Russian or you spent considerable time in Russia, this dude's claims are unreal. He goes big. This guy crazier than the faith healer and techno beat dropper, Antley Kashparovsky.
Starting point is 00:32:39 According to his website, www.grigory-grabovoy.ru. The 56-year-old has cured tens of thousands of people in the late stages of suffering from AIDS. Weird. How that didn't become the single biggest story of the last 50 years worldwide. Dude can just straight up use wizard powers. The blast AIDS right out of your body. Using his clairvoyance, he claims to have located Atlantis. He's also examined extraterrestrial spacecrafts and giving his findings to the Russian military. He has also regenerated destroyed matter, whatever the fuck that means.
Starting point is 00:33:15 He does all works aimed to prevent catastrophes through creation without destruction. He remote controls matter from any distance. And he has cured hundreds of disease persons with his personal presence. And so much more, several additional paragraphs about landish claims. Basically, it sounds like he's who God must pray to. Like if God can't fix something, he hits up good ol' gregory, grab a boy. 100th level Russian sorcerer.
Starting point is 00:33:42 And check out with this shady son of a bitch did in 2004. That year Grabboi made headlines across Russia with an offer to physically resurrect dozens of children killed during the bloody conclusion to the Bezlin school siege when Russian security forces used flamethrowers and tanks to attack militants who'd seized a North caucus school. Grabboi was asking for $1,500. Oh my God, per resurrection. If you're not familiar with the Bezlin school, see just beyond tragic on September 1, 2004,
Starting point is 00:34:12 armed, Chechen rebels took approximately 1200 children in Adults hostage at a school in Bezlin, North, Ossetia, Russia at approximately 9 a.m. local time. The siege ended on September 3, with more than 330 killed, including 186 children, and more than 700 people wounded. Out of their minds with despair, many of the bereaved mothers turned to grab a void, the grief vampire, and attended his lectures and resurrection sessions in Moscow.
Starting point is 00:34:39 What a colossal piece of shit. These people just lost their children, almost 200 kids dying of fucking gunfight. And this guy thinks, this is great. Nadia, how fast can you make new flyers printed? Most fucked up thing of all is that even though he took money for over 80 kids, he only brought 20 of them back from the dead. And look, I realize you could argue,
Starting point is 00:34:59 how amazing he brought back anyone, oh, but I think you're missing the point. You know, it's like he, if he's gonna promise to bring all the kids back, then he should have brought all the kids back and he didn't bring back anyone. You knew that. That was terrible. Big on Lucifina, too soon. I didn't, I don't need your help making repulsive statements.
Starting point is 00:35:13 Obviously none of the kids were brought back. No part of me believes this guy thought he could bring them back. If he could bring back kids from the dead, why wasn't he already working, you know, years before this bezel and sees? Why wasn't he working at like a kid's children's hospital? Just hanging out and correcting anything the doctors couldn't fix? Mr. Amicia is a turgeneve. Sorry to say we lost your son on operating table, but do not be sad Gregory Grablehoi bring him right back. Good as new. You just need to pay him $1500. I'd be honest. I'm not sure why I work here. Kids should just see Gregory first. The public was rightfully outraged. This was too much even for
Starting point is 00:35:50 fucking wizard happy Russia. Grab a boy was arrested for fraud in 2006, sentenced to 11 years in jail, cut to eight on appeal, while the government arrest this guy for insane sorcerer claims. Many in the Russian government apparently also were seeking help from the occult and still do. One Russian psychic told a Western journalist in 2015 that government officials come to her on a regular basis to help them make big decisions. They come in the middle of the night. She says so that no one will see them. I can't name names of course, but Russian government officials always consult sorcerers before taking major to, before making major decisions.
Starting point is 00:36:25 Now, she's telling the truth. I mean, I don't know how credible can a Russian psychic be or Russian sorcerers, excuse me, probably not the most credible. But if there's no fire where the Russian government's reliance on the occult is concerned, there sure is a lot of smoke, which is weird. Marina, different psychic sorcerers. Yeah, I guess I shouldn't call the last person a sorceress. Sources. Based in Southeast Moscow, I told the same journalist, whenever there are big international talks going on, Russia always brings a psychic or which along to influence things. Look at Rasputin, he was the greatest magician we have ever seen. Russian leaders have always employed a cultist.
Starting point is 00:36:57 So does Putin have a personal wizard, a sorcerer, a sorceress? Does he consult his sorcerer about how best to fuck with America through various disinformation campaigns? He literally might, would not be surprised at all. Okay, I think I've made it abundantly clear now. The occult is alive and well in Russia, has been for quite some time. I just really wanted to establish that and I just thought it was very entertaining before we dove into the grainy ripper's tail.
Starting point is 00:37:20 She was not some random outcast which, looking to grind children's bones into bread. She was one of millions of Russians who turned to the occult to make sense of the world around her. She was also, it appears, a highly unstable schizophrenic. She probably helped get her more into the witchery. Flashbacks to the vampire of Sacramento here. Please let us not find out. She also used a baby's penis first straw.
Starting point is 00:37:42 The widespread Russian reliance on sorcerers and a belief in the power of magic and spells is also important to understand because it undoubtedly influenced how the Russian media reported on her case. Many of the journalists who wrote about her are likely superstitious supernatural believers as well. Keep that in mind as we march down her time suck timeline. Yeah, yeah, electrical! Yeah! Electrical, he-ah! Shrap on those boot soldiers.
Starting point is 00:38:06 We're marching down a time-sug timeline. On April 25th, 1947, tomorrow, Mitovanova, Samsonova was born in the Russian city of Uzhir, now part of the Krasnoyarsk territory, almost 4500 kilometers, about 2,800 miles from where she would commit her crimes in St. Petersburg. 1947, not a great year, overall for the Soviet Union. Last major famine to hit the USSR began in July of 1946, reaching its peak in February
Starting point is 00:38:41 of 1947, lasting until August of that year before quickly diminishing in intensity, although there were still famine deaths in 1948. Between 1946 and 1947, there were a minimum of 115,000 to a maximum of around 300,000 deaths linked to starvation. The Cold War had also officially kicked off in 1946, Winston Churchill warned that an iron curtain was descending to the middle of Europe. Joseph Stalin deepened the estrangement between the US and the Soviet Union when he asserted in 1946 that World War II was an unavoidable and inevitable consequence of capitalist imperialism
Starting point is 00:39:17 and implied that a war, such a war, similar war, might re-acquire. Stoke in the big red fear of World War III. A March 12, 1947, just over a month before Tamara's birth, President Harry Truman delivered a speech before Congress that marked the beginning of the Truman doctrine, which held that the US could no longer stand by and allow the forcible expansion of Soviet totalitarianism
Starting point is 00:39:39 into free independent nations. Truman doctrine emphasized that communism would be contained. Secret police, which had been renamed in 1946 to the MGB, the Ministry of State Security, enforced rigid conformity in the satellite states of Eastern Europe, and infiltrated and destroyed anti-communist, anti-Soviet, or independent thinking groups. The intelligent apparatus was able to permeate every level and branch of state administration with agents planted in collective farms factories and local governments as well as throughout the upper level and rank and file of Soviet bureaucracy. Each department within the government also had their own official
Starting point is 00:40:12 supervisor, a special section staff by the MGB to keep tabs on and regulate the employees and sure the absence of disloyalty. It was a version of Gilead from the Handmaid's Tale, no religion, but the same amount of fear and paranoia and control, the kind of George Orwell's 1984. We don't know much about Samsonov's childhood in his juror. Juror was founded in 1760, wasn't officially made a town until 1953. Today it's a small city, just over 16,000 people. Doesn't seem to be a super cool city. Doesn't seem to be a well-touristic city.
Starting point is 00:40:47 According to TripAdvisor, its top attraction is the springs of happiness. Based on pictures, it's very small mineral spring with a little spigot or you can fill up a water jug. Probably use that magical mineral water for some kind of wizard or sorcerer spell. It's very sad looking, doesn't look that happy. And it's literally the only attraction listed
Starting point is 00:41:04 in Uzure by TripAdvisor. We also don't have much information about Sam Snowva's parents. Her father was apparently a police officer. In one article we found Sam Snowva said that her father walked with a weapon, whatever that means. What kind of weapon you walked with? What if it was an axe? My mind went there when I first read that.
Starting point is 00:41:22 Just like how interesting and terrifying. Would that be to see a police officer, just carrying a double-bladed war axe. Why is that so much scarier with me than a gun? Probably because like with a gun, you can theoretically, you can shoot to wound and not necessarily shoot to kill. I don't think you can do that with a war axe.
Starting point is 00:41:39 I'm pretty sure when you're swinging a war axe, you're always slicing to kill. As for Samsono, his mother, all we can find on her was she worked somewhere in the trade, whatever that means. According to Wikipedia, Uzziur's local industry is based on agriculture and dairy farming, so perhaps she worked on a dairy farm in some other field. And later 1960s, after graduating from high school, or excuse me, in the late 1960s, after graduating from high school, Tamera moved to Moscow, enrolled at the Moscow State Linguistic University,
Starting point is 00:42:06 the largest and the oldest university in Russia that specializes in linguistics and foreign languages. Here she studied various foreign languages and became fluent, or at least somewhat fluent in German and English. After graduating a few sources, she worked as a foreign language teacher in a kindergarten. This is the first of her, oh so many jobs! Her changing jobs killed me. First time I looked through all this. So many good jobs coming up. It gets so very Russian.
Starting point is 00:42:31 It's, I can't wait. Around 1971 when Sam Sonovah would have been in 24, she married a man named Alexey Leonid Samsonov, this poor son of a bitch. His story is preposterously sad. Isn't much on poor Mr. Samsonov either. They would have no children. He was described in one source.
Starting point is 00:42:48 And this will be by far his most flattering description as a very quiet man who worked at a car repair plant. According to Samsonov, their relationship was good. She said during an interrogation after her capture, I was like a mother to him. He is like a son to me. Huh. So maybe instead of good, she should have said creepy. I don't think Lindsey would like me describing our marriage that way I love my wife. We know we have a good relationship. She's like a second daughter to me
Starting point is 00:43:15 Please dear meets that please start describing your romantic partners that way to a new people you meet Report back to me on how well goes. It's my husband Frank. Ha ha ha So hard not to introduce him as my son. He really is like a son to me. Just a sexy fucking son. According to their former neighbors, their relationship was a little less than good. Little less mother and son,
Starting point is 00:43:36 maybe a little more abusive kidnapper and scared hostage. Neighbor said that Samson over muffled Alexi. Sometimes wouldn't let him come home. When she was especially furious with him for reasons that are never disclosed, Alexi, sometimes wouldn't let him come home. When she was especially furious with him for reasons that are never disclosed, Alexi would apparently have to go, I know this is not funny, but it's funny to me. Alexi would apparently have to go sit on a park bench
Starting point is 00:43:53 near the apartment until it was dark, and if he was in a lot of trouble, he'd have to sleep there overnight. One neighbor described him, this maybe is my favorite description of anyone ever. In one simple sentence, one abridistcribe him is, quote, pitiful, thin, red-haired, and toothless with a rag bag. What is fucking what?
Starting point is 00:44:17 Toothless, rag, what's a rag bag? Sounds like the saddest son of a bitch who ever lived. You heading home, you heading home, Alexi? No. Heading to the park again. We're going to try and find something soft to eat. And then guess I'll just curl up in my rag bag and cry myself to sleep. And I love how in the midst of that very
Starting point is 00:44:40 director or description, red hair just thrown in. Ginger's always getting some shade. After they got married, Sam Sonova red hair, just thrown in. Gingers, always getting some shade. After they got married, Samsonova and Alexi hopped on, I'm guessing a train, as most people would travel, the head of West, really far west, settling in a newly built panel house and apartment number four on Demetro Street, in Cappuccino, little village in the suburbs
Starting point is 00:44:59 of what was then Leningrad, what is now St. Petersburg. Their small drab, communist living unit on the first floor. One is in London grad, Sam Sonova, first works at a hospital. So nurses don't say exactly what her job was there. After a while, she gets a new job as a floor attendant at a hotel now called a hotel Europe. I feel like floor attendant is basically like contiers. She helped guess, fine stuff to do in the area, told them where to go, maybe helped
Starting point is 00:45:22 them check into the rooms. The hotel was located in the center of the city, tourists from all over the world came there, allowing Sam Snowford to make use for foreign language skills. Later there would be a lot of theories about Sam Snowford's time at the hotel. Some articles say she worked at the prostitute. Others say she was a prostitute informant for the KGB. According to a couple Russian news outlets, the Grand River took on another job in the early 80s.
Starting point is 00:45:44 She became a blacksmith. Uh, huh, okay, what a strange career move from working at a hospital to working at a hotel to be in a fucking blacksmith. Russia! Seeking out sorcerers in the 80s and having blacksmiths. It's also very medieval. She was also apparently a bit of an entrepreneur
Starting point is 00:46:01 during the 80s and 90s. She would later say, I bought foreign jeans and sweaters, which were scarce at the time, from foreigners and resold them. From what we could find out, she sold them right out of her apartment. So she's a blacksmith and she's selling genes and sweaters from her apartment. Hello, my name is Tamera Samsono, a local blacksmith. We're not hammering out swords for local sorcerers. You can find me in my apartment selling genes and sweaters. I'm also rich. If you need salt or chain mail or cardigan or jords or witch potion,
Starting point is 00:46:30 come to the meathouse straight. Visit the Babushka Yaga in the 90s. This is even better. Samson over stop selling jeans and sweaters and started selling vodka out of her apartment. Want Russian news source throughout that all the boozers around her knew her apartment on the first floor. That's the most Russian shit I've ever read my life. Hello, my name is Demeer Samsonova, local blacksmith. We're not how we not swords for local sorcerers. You can find me in my apartment where I no longer sell jean or sweater. I sell vodka because Russia. I also I'm which. Please visit Babushka. Yeah, a neighbor said that people were always stopping by
Starting point is 00:47:06 her apartment and that her patrons would usually drink their booze on a bench nearby. I hope she was distilling that shit in her kitchen. Or better yet, making poor Alexie do it. Alexie, put scrawny back into mashing potato, you pitiful ginger, not enough barley. And the mashing potatoes, not for you eaten, you toothless moudic, much much faster sleep outside tonight on the rag bag
Starting point is 00:47:28 The first reliable information about Samson Ovas past starts around 1996 when Samson Ova visits a psychiatrist who Investigators would later question about her mental health. This this next sequence is also so fucking ridiculous Apparently Samson Ova came to psychiatrist's office voluntarily on numerous occasions Was often accompanied by her sad husband. The doctor noted that Tamara, Tamara, appeared, quote, bright, lively, and airy-dite while her husband appeared poor, downtrodden, and moronic. It just keeps getting better with this guy. Samsonova's husband is a pitiful, poor, thin, downtrodden, red-haired, toothless, ginger-more-on.
Starting point is 00:48:07 I wonder what their counting sessions were like. Dmitra, you seem upset with Alexey. What is that? I'm so frustrated with my husband, son. He's stupid. He put too much barley in the apartment of Atka. I punish him by making him sleep in the park on the rag bag, but he still have no teeth. Still, he'll have red head. It's making me so angry. Alexi, how do you feel when Tomaro speak about you that way? She's right.
Starting point is 00:48:32 I let everyone down. I'd like to leave my session now, just go lay down and cry on my rag bag. In addition to bright, lively and airy diet, Sam Sonova also appeared as a wayward, absurd, and capricious woman. She also told the doctor she often shoplifted, and he also for reasons that are never made clear, uh, went from having to professional relationship with her to a personal one.
Starting point is 00:48:56 They started talking on the phone, doctor even visited Sam Sonova's apartment once, saying he just went there to get this, uh, this book, this gulag archipelago. What the fuck? Why was the doctor going to a patient's home? Get a book, I don't buy that. He could buy that book.
Starting point is 00:49:11 Check it out from the library. It seems super shady for your counselor to be swinging by your house to grab a book. This feels like bullshit to me. I think they were sleeping together. Pure speculation. That's what I think. His final analysis was that she was an intelligent and secretive woman with a sophisticated intellect and sweet pussy.
Starting point is 00:49:26 I don't know. I do think they probably sleep together. At the turn of the century when Tamara or Tamara would have been 53, most sources believed the granny ripper started her killing spree. Believe that. I don't think this was a surprise. Anyone, she killed her poor ginger husband, son, Alexi. 53 years old, starting so much later in life than most serial killers, female
Starting point is 00:49:45 killers do tend to start killing later than their male counterparts. For male serial killers, the average age when they first kill is 27 and a half. For females, it is 31. Man, poor Alexi, must be the saddest husband we've covered so far in the show, sadder than any of Bel Gunnest's murdered husbands. I hope'll be sleeping on the nicest rag bag any ginger's ever sleeping on ever in other ginger heaven. If you're falling off the face of the earth, it doesn't seem like anyone ever really looked for him. If you're like he disappeared, Sam Snowva did reach out to the police who subsequently
Starting point is 00:50:16 searched his yielded nothing. I guess there's a chance that he really did get tired of a shit and just finally wandered off. I hope so. Hope he went out looking for some new teeth. I doubt it. When asked about her husband, she would say to her neighbors that he was likely
Starting point is 00:50:29 chasing after other women. She also didn't seem to lose any sleep over his disappearance. She told her neighbors that she's better off without him. Later neighbors recalled that there were suspiciously a variety of different versions of the story of his disappearance. Sometimes she said that he left me. Other time she said he died of cirrhosis of the liver, very different story. Other time she said he went to the savings bank and
Starting point is 00:50:49 did not return. Sometimes she said, I poisoned ginger husband son with witch potion. Sometimes she said, he run off with throbslots. He find in forest. I tried to place cars on forest names on dirty shrub sluts for many years. Okay, maybe she didn't say those last few. And if you're confused, Shrub Slot is just a little joke for the Richard Chase vampire of Sacramento episode. After husband's disappearance, Sam Snowva got yet another job.
Starting point is 00:51:14 Now she worked as a caregiver for the elderly in the area. Nice, seems like it's gonna work out good. I wonder how honest she was about her previous employers during her job interview. What I work before, I have many jobs. I help guests at nice hotel, maybe sometimes prostitutes for KGB, maybe make a war hammer and the wizard sword and blacksmith shop a little bit. I sell illegal sweater and jean shorts, I teach kindergarten, I sell apartment vodka to
Starting point is 00:51:41 park drunks, maybe kill husband's son a little bit. I feel very ready to be good caregiver. I write the witch. I mean, woman, not the witch for job. Uh, according, I have no idea what that accent became by the end of that. Uh, according to Russian official, Samson over had seven or eight different jobs before she was arrested in 2015. Typically, typically didn't keep any of her jobs for more than three, four years.
Starting point is 00:52:02 Uh, she also in the years leading up to her rest began renting out a room in her St. Petersburg apartment to make extra money. Still live in the same place she'd moved into decades earlier. According to her diary and interviews with neighbors, she'd often didn't like the people who would rent from her and stay with her. She'd get mad at him for using her kitchen and the bathroom and complain that everyone was dirty based on her diary
Starting point is 00:52:21 and she wasn't working. She spent a lot of her free time either drinking coffee or killing people. She was also a super fan of Russian's most notorious serial killer, the first Russian murder we sucked, Andre Chikotilo. Later authorities would discover that she collected articles and books about Chikotilo, the prolific killer convicted of killing 52 men and women in children between 78 and 1990,
Starting point is 00:52:43 a little bit disturbing. But it's big deal, I have my new fan. People that love the Chigatilo, they love the Greta's Horocular. Russia ever produced. I should've married that witch. We make a Greta's team, Russia power a couple. Hashtag couple goals.
Starting point is 00:52:58 I hit a new lingo. I go jerk soft-shamed cock and corner, and I bother knowing. You forget I hear. I'm back now. old suck character new listener If samson of a did kill her husband in 2000 it was not the only murder she committed that year Before we get into this next murder. Let's take a quick sponsor break. Just like the best place for it And now we return to our batshit crazy story of the week
Starting point is 00:53:26 Samson of a wood for sure it seems killed one of her tenants a man named Volodya in November of 2000. In her diary she seems to have made this a bundly clear. She wrote pretty direct here. I killed my tenants Volodya. I just love that she fucking wrote that directly. I think she I think maybe she did it. Let's look at her diary. I killed him for sure. Oh no, she wrote, I killed my tenant, Volodya, cut him to pieces in the bathroom with a knife, put the pieces of his body in plastic bags, threw them away in different parts
Starting point is 00:53:53 of the Fuzinski district. So, you know, so there you go. It doesn't leave a lot to speculation. Well, it may. She was mentally ill and it would come out later that not all of her diary entries were completely truthful, but very suspicious that this dude moves in with her and then quickly disappears and then, you know, she wrote that around this time a new neighbor,
Starting point is 00:54:14 Marina, Nikolayevna and her husband moving next door, Marina would later tell a Russian news outlet. We did not have a landline telephone then I had to call from neighbors. The first one I knocked on was Tamara Samsonova. We drank coffee in the kitchen and talked. Even then, she was weird. She talked about her husband that he left and did not return. At the same time, at that moment, Tamara had some kind of joy in her eyes. According to Marina, San Sonoma liked to sit topless near her window, and this really pissed Marina off.
Starting point is 00:54:40 I know this is a weird turn there. Marina's husband was a big fan of Sam Snow. He was apparently attractive to Zeke and Marina often caught him peeping on her. Hard to believe that she was some lust-inducing Vickson if you look at pictures of her that were taken around the time of her arrest. She literally looks like someone who was just cast as a witch in a local play. No makeup required. Already fucking nail in it.
Starting point is 00:55:06 Like she looks like a straight up witch. She looks like she hasn't used any skincare products on her face, fucking ever. And she's just laid out under the hot sun for about 16 hours a day. She looks like she lived on cigarettes and vodka and spiders and eyes of nude or whatever else a witch eats for many years.
Starting point is 00:55:23 But if you look further, you can find pictures from her years past and she was at one point very attractive. I only point this out because if I was familiar with her picture and I heard that if I was listing, if I had only seen a picture, I'd be like, get the fuck outta here. There's no way. Marina not surprisingly, not a big fan again.
Starting point is 00:55:37 If her husband's checking out Babushka Yaga, make sense. I doubt a lot of wives love that sort of thing. Other than showing off the goods, Hey, I lose with being a Marina did not have a problem with her. Never heard screams. Never heard of sounds. She later associated with murder.
Starting point is 00:55:48 Man, other than the killing Sam Snowba, I gotta say, sounds like a super entertaining neighbor, right? Sometimes she sells vodka. Sometimes she sells jeans. And sometimes she whips out her sweet babushka boobs, hangs out by the window. Comparison, my neighbors are fucking boring. I have a couple older ladies living around me,
Starting point is 00:56:07 and not one of them, to my knowledge, ever lounges around with their sweet tahtas out. They don't sell apartment vodka. Why can't this one time? I live somewhere where I can walk next door and buy some homemade vodka from my topless geriatric neighbor. Well, never suspect your neighbor
Starting point is 00:56:22 of murder Marina did, however, make note of her weird neighbors paranoia and several occasions Marina would be having a conversation with Sam Sonova and Sam Sonova's apartment and then Sam Sonova would interrupt her and run over and look to the people I'm renal Renal so later he called that she opened the door for me only if I knocked in a special pre-arranged manner Again so much more exciting than any of my neighbors. I'm probably the weirdest neighbor in my neighborhood. Maybe I should take it further. Give other people stuff to talk about.
Starting point is 00:56:48 Maybe I should start letting this run with my dick out, you know, maybe make some homemade vodka myself. Why didn't Sam Snowboard just let anyone in? She told Marina that someone had been constantly sneaking into her house and cutting up her clothes. Once she showed Marina a robe and Marina immediately recognized there were not any cuts in the robe, just a hole that had formed from regular wear and tear.
Starting point is 00:57:06 According to another neighbor to mayor's apartment also didn't even have a sofa or a refrigerator. Did I mention she was mentally ill? She was mentally ill. Not criminally insane, perhaps, but long ways from well. If you think someone is sneaking into your place to cut holes in your clothes, please first get a new lock. Then if it keeps happening, get a counselor and do what they tell you. We're all very worried about you.
Starting point is 00:57:27 In the summer of 2001, a man named Vladimir settled in with Tamara. I can never make up my mind, Tamara tomorrow. Tomorrow, if you run it out, one of her rooms, despite their almost 20-year-age difference, they began a physical relationship. I bet this lady was absolutely fucking fuck wild and bed. Am I the only one thinking that? A month or two later, Vladimir calls off to fling
Starting point is 00:57:46 but keeps living in their shared apartment. I can only imagine what being in a romantic relationship with Sam Sonova must have been like at that point. I had no wonder he had to break off the romantic relationship. Like if she thinks that someone's been seeking to replace to cut holes in her clothes, what is she accusing like somebody she's, you know,
Starting point is 00:58:01 dating of? Tell truth, you've tried to set fire of my pubic hair last night when I sleep. Tail truth, you spent too much time in park. Are you sexing with the shrub sluts? I know about shrub sluts who hide in park bush, tail truth. In December of 2001, Vladimir is admitted to the hospital with symptoms of poisoning. The doctors can't establish which particular drug is causing his problems. Vladimir thinks he knows the source though.
Starting point is 00:58:25 He suspects his roommate, which former lover lady, when he's discharged from the hospital, he immediately moves out of tomorrow's apartment. September 6, 2003, the granny killer. Granny Ripper, she's also known as the granny killer, seems to have claimed her second victim, maybe her third. Sergei Potayen was a 44-year-old from Norealsk, 44-year-old, was very unfortunately for him renting Sam Sinov's empty room. He had tattoos on his shoulder, a skull, a snake, a few other symbols that would make it
Starting point is 00:58:53 easy for investigators to later identify as remains. Sam Sinov would make no to these tattoos in her diary. Apparently Sam Sinov did enjoy her new roommates company, and she poured some nitrazapam, a powerful sedative, and nested, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh,. She started cutting while he was still alive, which would seem to be a habit of hers, Jesus Christ. His body, or at least his torso, would be found at an empty lot near Tamara's apartment, and at the time, investigators would have no clue who'd left it there, along with the body investigators found some pages ripped from an esoteric book of Black Magic. Man, a serial killer doing that shit in America, that would get so much press. Oh my God, a whole new satanic panic would kick off.
Starting point is 00:59:49 Later in 2003, Sam Sonova meets another man, Alexander Barchiv. A barri, Barachiv, while working along Sadova, yes, street. Alexander was out with his common law wife, Larissa, while Sam Sonova was with a young man named Ganadi. The two couples hit it off, kept in touch afterwards with Sam Sonova calling Larissa a few times a week, chatting on the phone.
Starting point is 01:00:08 Gradually, Larissa's husband Alexander begins to pick up the phone more and more often when Sam Sonova calls. I'm sure you can see where this is going. Then out of nowhere, seemingly, Sam Sonova tells Alexander and Larissa that her young boyfriend, Genady, has died. No one seems to know what happened to him.
Starting point is 01:00:24 I'm guessing she killed him. And no one's ever found his body guessing. A few months later in early 2004, Alexander decides it is the season of the witch, about a year after meeting Sam Sonova. Alexander leaves his wife of seven years and moves into Sam Sonova's apartment. The lady had gang. Things didn't seem to have worked out very well for Alexander and his new digs. Alexander apparently called his wife, Lursa, several times two or three days after moving in. Then he called her again about a week later and their conversation was abruptly interrupted.
Starting point is 01:00:53 No more details are given. Then he has never heard from or seen again. Years later when Sam Snow was arrested, she first claimed that she did kill Alexander, then later recanted saying, I was joking. It's illegal to make little joke now? Yes, I killed some people, but not him. Yes, I like to confess, but that's just sent a humor. Uh, partially because his body has never been found,
Starting point is 01:01:15 she's yet to be charged with his murder. In 2011, a study on serial killing women is published by the American Journal of Forensic Psychology and the conclusions it comes to seem to apply greatly to Sam to Samsung. The study says that as opposed to men, killer women tend to operate more under the radar. Less likely to have a criminal history, they tend to kill those closest to them, they use quieter methods of elimination like poison drugs or smothering. As a result, their killing careers generally last much longer than men on average between eight and 11 years in comparison to two years from male serial killers. Female serial killers have an average of nine victims.
Starting point is 01:01:51 Samson of a fifth is typology to a T. Most seem to believe that from 2000 to 2015, Samson of a killed 13 or 14 people. While neighbors didn't seem to suspect her of murder until 2015, they also didn't seem to really care for her. As she got older, she began to quarrel with neighbors more and more often, even got physical with them when she was upset. She also was just fucking weird doing stuff
Starting point is 01:02:14 like hanging around naked with the curtains pulled back, walking around barefoot outside even in the winter. At one point, a few of her neighbors got together, wrote up a statement that they sent to a psychiatric hospital, saying she needed to be treated. And they were able to get her committed for a few months, and she was back and moved back into the apartment. Let's now fast forward to 2015.
Starting point is 01:02:33 We just don't unfortunately have details on who she may or may not have killed between 2005 and 2015. St. Petersburg, big, beautiful Russian port city on the Baltic Sea with a population of just under 5 million. Founded in 1703 by Peter the Great, the Imperial capital for two centuries, the hometown of Vladimir Putin at Derbegg, and I have to suck that guy one of these days. The city's been called St. Petersburg from its founding until the government changed the name to Petrograd in 1914, 1924, the communist had it named Leningrad, and then the original name was restored in 1991. St. Petersburg, Russia's cultural center with more than 70 theaters, over 300 museums, including
Starting point is 01:03:12 the state Russian museum, which showcases Russian art from Orthodox icon paintings to Kadinsky works, it's amongst the oldest museums in the world, as well as one of the largest 3 million people visit a year. The city's famous for its white knights, which peak in number during the southern months because St. Petersburg so far north during the summer, the sun is up until around midnight, rises again around three or four in the morning. And the city has seen its share of crazy shit over the years because of Russia, but 2015 would be an exceptionally weird year even for St. Petersburg.
Starting point is 01:03:40 The granny ripper would dominate newspaper headlines. In March of 2015, Samsono would just shy as 68 years old now, still working as a caregiver, still living on Demetro Street, and she meets 79 year old Valentina Ulenova. Also lived on Demetro Street. Ulenova described by those who knew her
Starting point is 01:03:56 as an intelligent and kind woman always willing to help someone out. People said she'd even buy booze for some of the transients in the area, and I love how that's the sign of being a good Samaritan Russia. She great like this. She buy vodka for homeless people in parks.
Starting point is 01:04:08 Everything's fucking vodka. Sam's Nova's a parbo is being renovated, so a mutual friend asked Ulenova, if Sam's Sonova could stay with her for a while. And Ulenova, you know, having no idea, this lady was fucking babushka-yaga, agreed. Two women seemed to have a lot in common, both had arrived in St. Petersburg in 1973,
Starting point is 01:04:26 lived in newly constructed buildings on the metro street, both had no kids, both buried their husbands around the turn of the century, pretty similar. I mean, sure, one of them, almost like they killed their husband, the other husband was probably not murdered, but you know, guessing Sam, Samson, I'll probably let those details out, win bonding with her new friend. They both lived alone in almost identical two room old communist apartments neighboring buildings. Despite their accommodations being almost exactly the same based on diary entries found later, Sam Sonova wanted Ulenova's apartment. She thought it was better. She felt better there. She thought it was worth killing over. Sam Sonova lived in Ulenova's apartment for several months. And then when it came time for Sam Sonova to move back out when her
Starting point is 01:05:03 apartment was done being renovated, she just straight up refused to leave. In the summer of 2015, poor Ulanova begged Sam Snowva to get the fuck out of her apartment, but she would not budge. She could knock at this lady out of her place. I'm sure she thought she had the roommate from hell and she did, but of course, Sam Snowva much worse than Ulanova probably even suspected then. After a conflict over unwashed dishes in late July, on either July 23rd or 24th,
Starting point is 01:05:29 Samsonova decides she has to kill her roommate. Which to be fair does make sense. I mean, she really had no other choice. She's second tired of Ulanova having the audacity to keep asking her to get the fuck out of an apartment, this not hers. That's no way to treat an unwanted guest. She was sick of being hassled over leaving dirty dishes
Starting point is 01:05:47 on the counter of the apartment she refused to leave. What else is she supposed to do? Samson over travels to Pushkin, a town about 36 kilometers 22 miles away, where she manages to persuade a pharmacist she knows to sell her a prescription drug, Phanasopam without a prescription. Phanasopam a drug, I'm guessing,
Starting point is 01:06:04 the Grand River pretty familiar with. Used to treat schizophrenia, popular now as a recreational drug and in high doses, it will knock you the fuck out. It has anesthetic qualities. Upon returning to St. Petersburg, she buys an oliviar salad, one of Ulyanov's favorite dishes, basically a Russian potato salad. Later in court, the g-ripper says the murder went down like this. I came home and poured the whole pack of 50 pills into the Olivia Salad, as she loves them very much. We agreed that if we clean the apartment,
Starting point is 01:06:34 I watched everything for hour and lay down, I'd get up at 3 o'clock in the morning and she's lying on the floor, and I'd begin to dismember her. Well, there you go, pretty directed into the point. She poised in the roommate's salad, the little house cleaning, took an app, woke up and started cutting her to pieces. All in a normal day's work. She dismembered Ulenov with a saw and some kitchen knives right there on the kitchen floor.
Starting point is 01:06:55 She actually borrowed the saw from a neighbor. Wonder how that went down. Excuse me, do you have saw for me to borrow something I could use to cut through? How do I say couple of ladybond authorities are again pretty sure that this poor woman was still alive during the initial cuts. First hamster Nova sawed off, Ulyna was head, she then took hold of her torso, sawed the body in half with the knives, she sheared the torso in the seven or eight pieces through the pieces in the bags, removed the head, or said, the head, also removed the hands.
Starting point is 01:07:26 Several reports say she put them in a stock pot on the stove and boiled them the head in the hands. A sedalator in confession, she did that to prevent identification. Others with things that she boiled who roommates had in the hands, not just to destroy evidence, but also because, you know, she ate them. Babushka Yaga. Once her roommate was cut up into pieces and and those pieces have been placed in bags. Samsonova took the bags outside of her apartment
Starting point is 01:07:47 to dispose of Ulenova's remains, made several trips to various parts of her neighborhood, stational leg here, a torso there, head over yonder. I said most of the bags early because Samsonova apparently left some of the parts of the body scattered around the apartment. Then before she even had time to change her clothes after all this, someone comes to the door and rings the doorbell. Samsonova covered in blood, looks to the apartment. Then before she even had time to change her clothes after all this, someone comes to the door
Starting point is 01:08:05 and rings the doorbell. Samsonova covered in blood, looks to the people. It's a social worker on the other side of the door. Samsonova tells the woman that Ulynaova has gone out of town to attend a friend's funeral. The woman asked to be let in. Samsonova tells her that she cannot let her in. She says she doesn't have the keys, doesn't have any keys,
Starting point is 01:08:22 which makes no fucking sense. But that's what she said. So weird, sorry, I cannot let you inside. I do not have any keys. Why would you need key if you're already inside? Because listen, we have a special doorknob and you need a key to get in, like a normal doork,
Starting point is 01:08:42 but also another key to get out. It's a double door knob lock thing and I don't have to get in or to get out key. So here we are. Apparently once a social worker left, Sam Snow began washing the floor, social worker suspicious, regarding Sam Snow was nonsense,
Starting point is 01:09:00 called fucking weird key story, contacted the police. Since a social worker hadn't actually seen the blood and body parts of the police wouldn't assign any sense of urgency to investigate in the apartment. And it'd be a few days before they would find pieces of Ulenova's body
Starting point is 01:09:13 and then find the Grand River. Before the police arrived, one of Ulenova's friends Natalia Fedosuke came by the house looking for the friend she'd affectionately nicknamed Avalia. She later recalled, I came to Valyas' house and there was only tomorrow. She tells me Valentina has disappeared. And before that, on Thursday night, she drank a lot and fell in the hallway. I knew that Valiya could drink a glass or
Starting point is 01:09:33 two, but no more. Again, I love how fucking vodka is just every part of this story. She could not get into somewhere. All documents remain at home on the table where two discharged mobile phones. I also noticed a strange detail. The two refrigerators were on at once. Valia only turned the large refrigerator on when she defrosted in the small refrigerator. I did not think to look inside, that scared to imagine what I could have found. What the fuck is going on in Russia?
Starting point is 01:10:01 Is having two refrigerators in a kitchen a normal thing over there? Why? And you only have one on at any given time? I have never seen two refrigerators in someone's kitchen. That I can recall, on the off chance that I ever saw that, I guarantee that they didn't have one on to keep on, but the one off and then they would like when they were defrosting one they put like what Is it is just are things so shitty over there that you have to have two refrigerators because one goes on the fridge all the time She continues not finding Valentina is going to call police but tomorrow literally hung on my arm saying no need to call She remember tomorrow saying I breathe well here. It's so calm here. I feel so good here.
Starting point is 01:10:46 Until Valentina's relatives are found, I'll live here for another six months. I'll tell you then, ask her, so you know that volume is no longer alive. And then, some of them, I just got quiet. I picked her saying something like, I need to go now. I don't have enough keys for you to stay here. Was all that breathing well nonsense? Oh, wait, I don't have enough keys for you to stay here. What's all that breathing? Well, nonsense. Oh, wait, I remember she's insane. On the time you managed to get out of the apartment and correctly suspecting that Sam Snow had killed her friend, she reported
Starting point is 01:11:13 Sam Snow over to the police, but still they do not investigate right away. There's nobody. This will change soon. On the evening of Sunday, July 26, 2015, one of Sam Snow of his neighbors or walking their dog in an empty lot near a pond adjacent to House 10, building four into Meetriff Street. The lot literally crossed the road from where San Sonova and Ulenova live just behind some garages near the river in a railroad track. There the neighbor's dog takes particular interest in some bushes. The neighbor goes over to look and see what the dog has found in the bushes and discovers one of those fucking shrubs sluts.
Starting point is 01:11:46 The neighbor's like, get out here! Gone! Between the shrubs and the parkobos, fucking up on vodka all day, the neighbor has gone to shit. No. The neighbor went over there to look at the bush and discovered a chunk of body wrapped in a shower curtain. The head, arms, legs, some internal organs missing.
Starting point is 01:12:02 My God, she didn't do a very thorough job at body disposal, did she? She wrapped up part of her roommates' remains in a shower curtain, walked across the street and just threw that shit in the bush. After being alerted to the remains, the police went around the neighborhood, quickly found more. They found a plastic bag with a leg in it near building six. The only thing they could be said with certainty was that the body belonged to an elderly woman. Then when the police asked some neighbors, talk to the neighbors, several recalled seeing Sam Sonova carrying bags
Starting point is 01:12:26 out of Ulanova's apartment, and that Ulanova had not been seen since. The next day, July 27th, the police are able to establish the owner of the missing body parts based on more interviews with neighbors. Then when they knock on Ulanova's door, Sam Sonova answers, right?
Starting point is 01:12:40 Because she's still saying in the wrong fucking apartment. She explains that she's caring for Ulanova, who almost never leaves the house. And the police insist on entering the apartment, checking out Ulanova, who they know has been killed. The police know Dan Well she's not taking care of Ulanova. They know she's been cut to pieces. So please walk in and they walk into a nightmare in the bathroom. There's the borrowed bloody hacksaw.
Starting point is 01:13:00 There's traces of blood all over the walls. There's organs in the fridge. Almost immediately Samsonova confesses she explains that I'm not making this up, that Valentina Ulenova insulted her terribly. So, obviously, she had to be killed. She actually told the police that, as if it was a reasonable excuse for murder. And then, crazier, because Russia, the police do not initially arrest her. They first have to go back to court and talk things over with the judge.
Starting point is 01:13:25 In Russia, still to this day, you can legally kill someone over certain specific insults. Like if someone wishes death on your mom or wife or children, you can kill them legally. Or if they insult your character, I choose you of being a liar and adulterer, you can kill them.
Starting point is 01:13:42 Also, if you can prove that someone you're living with is toxic, if you can get others to corroborate that, that they are toxic, you can kill them. One more thing, that's not true. Did anyone believe the stuff I was just saying about how you can legally kill people in Russia for insults? Russia's so crazy in so many ways, I thought maybe I could sneak that in there,
Starting point is 01:14:00 it might sound legit. No, you can't kill people legally for insulting you in Russia. You can probably bribe certain officers into looking the other way when you do kill someone, but you can't just say the insults you and get away with murder. Sam Sonova also tells officers that another one of her neighbors,
Starting point is 01:14:14 a 67 year old retired physician also hated Ulanova, and that this physician persuaded Sam Sonova to kill Ulanova, and then she sweetened the deal by promising Sam Sonova 268,000 rubles for the contract kill about $3,400. Sam Sonova tells police that on the night of July 23rd, she let this doctor into her apartment. And then Sam Sonova made a lethal injection into Ulanova's arm. Then she said they dismembered the body, carried the pieces out together, and the police actually do look into this crazy story. Thanks to some closed circuit security
Starting point is 01:14:44 camera footage, they are able to determine that the doctor had do look into this crazy story. Thanks to some closed circuit security camera footage, they are able to determine that the doctor had no part in this crime. This poor doctor, more on her later on, studying that footage investigators determined that Sam Snowva left Ulanov's apartment seven times on the night of the murder. She was wearing a blue-range jacket, each time she was carrying a bulky item.
Starting point is 01:15:00 One time, she's dragging what looks like a shower curtain. There's even footage of Sam Snowva carrying a white saucepan. Guess what's inside the saucepan? Uh, Ulo Nov is head. A head authorities never recovered. Sam Snowva clearly the murder. Also clear that no one helped her carry out the horrific crime. Uh, despite being caught red handed, Sam Snowva refuses to cooperate with investigators.
Starting point is 01:15:18 She won't tell them where they can find the rest of the body. She does talk to them about all kinds of other weird outland as shit because she's a lunatic. She makes up all kinds of wild stories telling the police she used to be an actress. She wasn't. She tells them she graduated from the Vaganovsky school, a prestigious ballet academy. She didn't. She said she had a strong artistic background that she rubbed shoulders with some of the great artists of Russia.
Starting point is 01:15:39 None of that shit's true. One investigator said regarding interrogating her, she's either much more stupid than she seems or much smarter. On July 28th, Sam Snowva detained on the suspicion of the murder and dismemberment of her former roommate. Now all of her neighbors are questioned. A woman who'd been friends with Ilanova for 43 years described what happened during when she tried to check on Ilanova. First, she said she tried to call her friend and she could never get a hold of her. She visited the apartment. She found Sam Snowva, asked for Valentina Ilanova was.
Starting point is 01:16:10 Sam Snowva not surprisingly spun a wild tail, saying that she got up in the middle of the night, went to the kitchen for a cup of tea, saw Valentina lying on the floor. You didn't call an ambulance, the friend asked. I was afraid, Sam Snowva answered. And then the friend said, why didn't you contact us?
Starting point is 01:16:23 We would have come running. The friend was especially worried by the fact that Sam Snowva answered. And then the friend said, why didn't you contact us? We would have come running. The friend was especially worried by the fact that Sam Snowva asked her not to tell the police about the disappearance of Ilanova. The reason for this was that Sam Snowva really wanted to keep living in that apartment. She said, she just liked that apartment. She just lamented, can't I live here?
Starting point is 01:16:38 It feels so good here, so calm, so quiet. What a weird obsession she had with this apartment that was essentially identical to her own apartment. Investigators then searched Sam Snowes actual apartment. The ones who supposed to be living in, they find traces of dry blood under the skirting board, a skirting board in the kitchen. They find her diary where she allegedly wrote about committing at least 11 murders, maybe 13. They find a book of esoteric, astrological information with some pages torn
Starting point is 01:17:05 out, sitting in an old cabinet. They find documents belonging to Sam Snowva's missing husband, including a passport and a savings book, super weird for him to leave without those unless he'd been murdered. Sam Snowva has yet to confess to killing that poor skinny, tothless rag bag, Totten Ginger. He took off, left his passport and his bank account information behind. Nah, who does that nobody? On July 29, Sam Sonova is brought to the Frunze district court of St. Petersburg, initially charged with only one murder, she then quickly admits to two more. The media outlet, Fontanca, reports that Sam Sonova admitted to killing Voldoya, her
Starting point is 01:17:40 tenant in November of 2000. She said she poisoned him, cut him into pieces in the bathroom with a knife, put him in packages, and scattered him across the Fransenski district. She also admitted to the 2003 murder of Surjay from Norealsk, but because investigators can't find their bodies, despite these confessions, she's not charged with their murders. In court, Sam Snowva seems more concerned about the journalists portrayal of her than the charges themselves. She's worried that her neighbors in St. Petersburg
Starting point is 01:18:07 are going to read about her crimes after being remanded in custody. She tells journalists, I knew you'd come. It's such a disgrace for me. All city will know. And then because she's so crazy, she sends a kiss to the cameras.
Starting point is 01:18:18 Let's talk a little about her diary now. We search high and low all over Russian websites to see if we can find a transcript of this diary, this reference so much in this timeline, it does not seem like the diary has ever been released and full to the public. In one article we found detective said they won't release the diary until all of the multiple murder investigations associated with her confessions and diary entries and other killings thought to be possibly attributed to her or completed. Many of these murder investigations are still supposedly ongoing.
Starting point is 01:18:47 Bits and pieces of the diary of Surface Thel along with some general descriptions of what she wrote about. We learned that being able to speak and write multiple languages, Samsonov would alternate between Russian, German, and English in her diary. She preferred to write in German.
Starting point is 01:18:59 She wrote in this way so that in her words, no one would understand. Apparently in between entries about killing Sam's self wrote extensively about just various mundane details of her everyday existence. She wrote about how she slept badly, or drank coffee, or took medicine, or did not eat. She wrote about how her typical daily schedule
Starting point is 01:19:17 included being in bed by 9 p.m. Being up at 3 a.m. Sounds like a absolutely terrible schedule. Who wants breakfast? It's three in the morning. It sounds so novel. Rise and shine. Early bird gets the poison warm. She wrote in her diary about researching the effects of various prescription drugs. She apparently would pick up drugs for neighbors from time to time. Stash a little bit away. She also wrote, because why not? Poms and songs? Couldn't find any of the poems and songs,
Starting point is 01:19:46 despite trying so fucking hard. But the idea that she was murdering folks and possibly writing little ditties about it, oh my god, she's got my imagination going. I wish I could find something. Even though I didn't find anything, I did do my best to interpret and just try to write what I think one of her songs may
Starting point is 01:20:08 have sounded like, found a little music to accompany in it. Let's see how this works out. I know like when Rome made a magnet to make this just clean That would way to get head-8 Do not make this which could mean Sometimes I miss ginger son, selling vodka from our home To this moron pretty fun, but then he go for Rome I kill him I kill my ginger husband son, I kill him I kill my toothless husband son, this old witch hack make him take dirt map with his precious bag back. I kill him.
Starting point is 01:20:52 I don't know, something like that. And if you're thinking, wait, that doesn't sound like a very good song. Listen, she wasn't fucking dropping hits, okay? I was trying to be accurate. Anyway, that was fun for me. I hope it was fun for you. Thanks to all these unusual details, investigators were especially intrigued by this atypical case. The head of the violent crimes department of the main directorate of the Ministry of Internal Affairs
Starting point is 01:21:14 volunteered to spend time with Samsonova. He started doing research into the occult so we could hopefully understand all the crazy shit he was talking about. He studied up on esoteric and astrological literature. He was quoted in the Russian press as saying, I sat down with Babushka on the same wavelength. Okay. He got so into all this that his colleagues started to worry he was spending too much time with her and too much time researching occult beliefs. Do not fall under one of her witch spells. Like they were legitimately worried that she was getting into his head.
Starting point is 01:21:42 Through his conversations with her, he would get her to verbally admit to a total of 11 killings, but only in general terms. The public, especially in St. Petersburg, became obsessed with her case. The legend of Babushka Yaga is born. The way she killed was so much like, with the poise needs, cooking up the body parts, pages from a book of spells found on one of her victims' remains.
Starting point is 01:22:03 She looked like some old drawings of Baba Yaga Journalist wrote sensational stories Not entirely supported by facts about her dark deeds They wrote articles about her being a witch about her sacrificing victims and occult rituals to stoke public interest in her story to sell more papers You know get more website clicks as As they do on July 30th 2015 68, 68-year-old Sam Sonova is officially charged for the killing of her former friend. Initially, just charged with this one crime.
Starting point is 01:22:30 Investigators emphasize that a month is going to be allotted for her psychiatric examination. The investigative committee also notes that there was currently no information about other crimes. That's the woman could have committed, despite wide reporting to the contrary. Interesting. A lot of back and forth details from investigators
Starting point is 01:22:48 about like, yes, she's suspecting a lot of murders. No, she's just the one all over the place. The prosecution pointed out that after the murder, Sam Snowva attempted to hide the evidence, meaning she knew what she had done, knew that it was wrong, therefore not criminally insane. They said she was a flight risk because she didn't have any permanent social ties
Starting point is 01:23:05 in St. Petersburg, as in she didn't have family there. The granny rippers lawyer argued that her client did not intend to hide from the investigation. They argued that she had lived in St. Petersburg for many years. So everyone she had a social relationship of any kind also lived where would she go? They argued that she was clearly insane. She'd be given treatment and not charged with a crime that would put her in a prison cell.
Starting point is 01:23:27 The judge spoke to Sam Snowva directly about her fate asking her, I am asked to arrest you what do you think? And Sam Snowva replied, you decide your honor after all, I am guilty and I deserve a punishment. Then when Sam Snowva heard the judge order her arrest, she literally began smiling and clapping her hands. She said it had been hard to live with her past that she felt relieved to finally been caught. At this point, she said, after thinking about it a lot, she wanted to spend the rest of her life in prison. But did she mean all of this directly after these statements? She said a whole bunch crazy
Starting point is 01:23:56 shit trying to explain why she killed. She told the court that she had been tormented for many years by a maniac neighbor who lived in an apartment on the floor above her. She said, I thought about this murder 77 times. I want to go to jail. I killed because the neighbor tortured me for a long time. Then she said of this upstairs neighbor, she raped me, she is a doctor. This is the doctor said by talking earlier. She watered my hair. She gave me bruises and cuts and broke my needs. There are thousands of witnesses to this. This was her great joy and type of sweetness.
Starting point is 01:24:29 It's like a maniac, chiquitillo. They feel pleasure from it. This is superhuman dexterity and beastial instinct. No one can repeat what she is doing. I don't know how much of that is just the translation and how much of that is just what she actually said. While being escorted away from the court, she apparently kept babbling about this neighbor
Starting point is 01:24:46 at one point shouting something like, it's all a maniac. It didn't take long to determine this alleged maniac. The doctor she'd accused of helping her with a murder of her roommate earlier was not even in St. Petersburg at the time of the murder she was charged with. Sam Snowva then later admitted that she made all that up about the doctor. Why murder she was charged with. Sam Snowba, then later admitted that she made all that up about the doctor. Why? Because she hated her.
Starting point is 01:25:08 She said she gave this testimony out of personal hostility. How happy must that retired doctor have been to know that that murder is not was now behind bars. The media after her official arrest now began to speculate that she must have been killing for 15 years, starting with him as seriously absent husband, way back in 2000. The report of that, and I have no idea where they got this information that Sam Snowboard
Starting point is 01:25:31 put her husband to sleep with a large dose of sleeping pills. They said that she then cut his body into pieces, took it outside, buried it in the yard. They even stated that the remains had already been dug up and sent to the morgue, but that was not true. The state investigative directorate of the investigative committee of the Russian Federation in St. Petersburg, these fucking titles and Russia kill me. Just the most drab sole shit. Where do you work? The state investigative directorate of the investigative committee of the Russian Federation in St. Petersburg. Jesus Christ. The
Starting point is 01:26:02 spokesman for this committee, guy named Sergei Kapitanov informed the press that his She's in the script. She's in the script. She's in the script. She's in the script. She's in the script. She's in the script. She's in the script. She's in the script. She's in the script. She's in the script. She's in the script. She's in the script.
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Starting point is 01:26:20 She's in the script. She's in the script. She's in the script. She's in the script. She's in the script. She's in the script. She's in A very popular website I didn't know about before this suck VK.com. Someone created a profile on her behalf, they uploaded photos of Sam Snowva, pictures from a trial, more fake profile soon sprung up than more. Most of them clearly created his jokes.
Starting point is 01:26:37 One profile had Sam Snowva requesting donations to quote, support domestic granny maniacs. Became popular for a little while for VK users to change their profile picks to photos of Sam Sonova. I feel like whoever was doing that would probably love this podcast. On the morning of August 5, Sam Sonova was taken out of her cell, brought to her old place on Demetro Street for an investigative experiment that would end up adding to her infamy. Law enforcement officers wanted Sam Sonova to show them how she killed her victim where
Starting point is 01:27:04 she laid her remains. So she did with gusto, really got into it. Please brought in a dummy and on it, she demonstrated with a bunch of zeal and a big crazy smile on her face. How she dismembered Ulanova, she described how she couldn't get through the hip bones. There were two heavy for her to carry far. So she dumped them in her neighbor's backyard. Also explained how she disposed of the trash bags throughout the neighborhood. Still wouldn't reveal where Ulan Nova's head was though. I don't know, why?
Starting point is 01:27:31 Maybe she didn't want them to find bite marks on her. Maybe she thought if they found her head, it would diminish her witch powers or something. On August 31, 2015, Sam Snow would transfer to a special psychiatric clinic to be examined further. They're press speculated that if doctors deemed her insane, the charge will be dropped and Sam Snowva could undergo psychiatric treatment and possibly be released.
Starting point is 01:27:51 Make you imagine if they did release her. Imagine if you're that retired doctor living on that floor above her. The one she said all kinds of crazy shit about. The one she talked about wanted to kill 77 times. Now she shows back up again, gets her whole place back, comes knocking on your door. Hello, Dr. Maniac, did you miss me?
Starting point is 01:28:07 I've not forgotten insults, I've not forgotten 77 thoughts of murder, not forgotten many broken knees, witness by thousands, not forgotten the rapes, so how you watered my hair. Also, do you have a little bit of vinegar I can borrow? Just two or three tablespoons tops, I used to make him worse and I'm not Realize almost out Meanwhile, she's been evaluated police unearthed new evidence of another murder With the working knowledge of Sam Snow has ammo in mind with her diary authorities recalled it 12 years earlier and about the exact same spot that her neighbors remains were found
Starting point is 01:28:39 Another mutilated headless armless body was discovered. It was a tattooed man, Sergei, Samsonov, his former tenant. While Samsonov never admitted to this crime, she did write about the man's tattoos in a journal and upon searching her house, police found his business card. They also found another strange, more solid link between the two. All right, we mentioned that she had that book
Starting point is 01:28:57 of black magic, found next to her diary. Sometimes it listed as book of black magic. Sometimes it listed as book spells, sometimes astrological stuff. Well, this book had dried blood on it, pages torn out, missing pages, you know, been found on the corpse, you know, 12 years earlier, fairly incriminating. On September 8, an article from Russia's Life News reports on the contents of Sam Snow was diary. The article says that while other media coverage has claimed that the diary described 13 murders they found in their own investigation, the truth was much more confusing.
Starting point is 01:29:26 The diary which the report had been kept inside a cookbook for several years was indeed in German, but according to their findings, the author of the notes does not know the language of a ghost. The vocabulary is poor, mistakes are found in every phrase. They printed examples like the following passage, I slept very little today, bad mood, it's all very bad, I drank coffee again. In addition to household items, San Francisco, but carefully recorded today, bad mood, it's all very bad. I drank coffee again. In addition to household items, Sam Fsenova, carefully recorded names, phone numbers, addresses, useful contacts, she wrote down all her expenses to the penny, excuse me, collected tongue twisters, beauty recipes, even conspiracies.
Starting point is 01:29:55 I wish I knew what conspiracy she was into. One of her shoes was a hollow earther. I feel like there was a good chance. I probably believe in the supposed Atlantean sorcerer battles. Madame Blavatsky used to write about. Among the notes on her diary, there were several essays similar to prayers, spells, quotes from the work of famous poets. In one passage, she wrote, I leave the door, stand in the middle of the yard. Nicola the Pleasant is standing with me. Closed the house with a bolt lock, who goes? We'll pass, who goes? We'll pass. The burglar enters the yard. He won't get there. His legs will grow stiff. His eyes will darken. Amen.
Starting point is 01:30:28 Believing in the best, you increase its likelihood. Books don't really teach anything new. Books just help you see what's already inside you. This is enlightenment. Okay, so she's struggling mentally. Also, around this time, one of the people, Samsonov, have claimed to have killed in their diary, another one of her tenants, discovered a live and well-by investigator. So this, of course, is confusing. Throw some doubt into the validity
Starting point is 01:30:49 of some of her other confessions. The media was now saying she killed dozens or hundreds of people, but did she, or did most of the murders only happen in her mind? So strange. She clearly did kill a man. She did not write about in her diary. The tattoo guy, she almost certainly killed her husband,
Starting point is 01:31:04 who she also did not confess to killing, but then she did not kill someone she did not write about in her diary, the tattoo guy, she almost certainly killed her husband, who she also did not confess to killing, but then she did not kill someone she did write about killing so much mystery around the case of Babushka Yaga. On November 25th or 26th 2015, according to different sources, the Fursensky District Court decides to extend Sam Snow with psychiatric examination for another month. After more testing, it's determined that she is a danger to society and herself. Yeah, you think. She transferred from the psychiatric clinic to another specialized incarceration facility
Starting point is 01:31:32 where she's ordered to remain until the end of the investigation. Unfortunately, the results of her psychological examination are kept secret. Sam Snowva's defense appeals the decision to put her in a specialized institution, citing her age. They asked to have her place back in her apartment, but the court rules that Sam Snowva defense appeals the decision to put her in a specialized institution citing her age They asked to have her place back in her apartment But the court rules that Sam Snow has a flight risk and you know is dangerous to the people living in the apartments nearby if she gets put back there
Starting point is 01:31:54 Yeah, you know, she probably kill a neighbor or three She for sure killed dr. Maniac On December 9th 2015 Sam Snow has sent to a specialized hospital in Kazan about a thousand miles from St. Petersburg. One source says she'll be constantly monitored by doctors. On August 20th, 2016, the court finally finds Sam Snow of a guilty of the murder of Valentina Ulenova. The official verdict is that she killed one person for sure, not clear how long she was sentenced to remain behind bars.
Starting point is 01:32:22 She was then placed in a psychiatric, excuse me, psychiatric treatment facility. On August 22nd, just a few days later, 2016 court reveals that additional murder of SAMHSA Nova may have committed or still be investigated. Then on November 8th, it's discovered that SAMHSA Nova has been calling a psychological helpline on a regular basis over the past 12 years. She apparently usually discussed everyday issues, including which other tenants were rather in her up. She consistently felt paranoid, persecuted. For some reason, she was never prescribed treatment, considering Russia's long history with various secret police
Starting point is 01:32:54 agencies that really did spy on citizens. Probably fairly common to feel paranoid. Then on March 17, 2017, a court source says that Sam Snowba has now had the guilty decision reversed. She's now been found not guilty, and for an appeal by reason of insanity. This is based on the determination that she indeed suffers from paranoid schizophrenia, so continue to be institutionalized given treatment. None of the articles we could find made it clear if she may be released someday because of the not guilty decision. While they don't say directly, I interpret the reporting of her sentencing as allowing for the possibility that she could in fact be released, which is terrifying.
Starting point is 01:33:30 Yes, she's old, but clearly you don't need to be young to do the type of murdering the granny ripper was doing. Russian psychiatrist and criminalist, Mikhail Vnokhredov, described Samsonov as mental health this way. He said, Firstly, she has been ill for a long time. Of course, she has schizophrenia. I am not ready to say what form it is very difficult to determine. The fact is that any schizophrenia implies two sides of the personality.
Starting point is 01:33:54 Some patients openly attack people, others hide. There are many talented people among mentally ill people, artists, poets, scientists. They show their pathology in different ways. They walk naked, et cetera. This lovely lady solved issues by means of murder. That's an actual quote. This lovely lady fucking watch lovely lady Did she kill up and cut up a roommate after refusing for a month to leave this woman's apartment? Yes, we know this Did she boil woman head refused to tell her head is of course we know this
Starting point is 01:34:21 But she is still lovely lady at the end of day some people solve issue by communicate some solve by murder she never learned proper conflict resolution skill no one teacher it's big misunderstanding she gifts to rush a really have you test her apartment vodka it's fantastic uh... this the same criminologist was asked if it was possible to samson over didn't realize the severity of her crimes. He answered, yes, it is quite possible.
Starting point is 01:34:48 Considering that there is evidence of her passion for the occult, she could only consider herself to be a kind of instrument of retribution, who fulfilled someone's will, including to save the world in this way, destroy evil, etc. So she didn't realize what she was doing. You guys, she didn't realize it was wrong. She was just doing some witch shit. She was trying to live that best witch life. A little over a year later, the 71 year old Sam Snow
Starting point is 01:35:10 had charged with yet another crime, July 26, 2018. The Department of Baylips and St. Petersburg opens a case against her and you're gonna love this for not paying a rent. Her debt amounted to 190 bucks or so. The missing rent was from a time after she'd been arrested and sent to a psychiatric facility. So somehow, it's made it to court.
Starting point is 01:35:29 They're like, yes, she's not paying her apartment rent. Yes, she's in fucking jail. She was found not liable since, you know, she was incarcerated. Rushy fucking killed me. I so bad they wanna visit Russia now, more than ever. I wanna spend some time in that beautiful and insane country. Finally, based on a few hard to totally entertain
Starting point is 01:35:46 Russian sources, it seems that there, yeah, still are open investigations on anywhere from 10 to 14 additional murders. She may have been involved in and that will take us out of this week's time suck timeline. Good job, soldier. You made it back. Barely. Made it back barely. The Granny Ripper, Babush Kiyaga, Psycho, aka Tamara Samsonova, apartment vodka distiller,
Starting point is 01:36:15 Jean and sweater slanger, real life witch. Such a unique case. But not the only scary female serial killer out there. While over 90% of serial killers are men, there's actually well over 20 other older women that could fall into the same category of Sam Snowboard that we know of. We're going to preview some of the worst female serial killers out there that we haven't talked about on time so before. Some of them also killing like Baba Yaga or not Baba Yaga, Babushka Yaga, and they're
Starting point is 01:36:44 senior years. Might have to suck some of these ladies down the road. Before I launch into the first summary, I do have one last sponsor break. Sorry about that. I know we don't always have them at the end of the show. TimeSuck is brought to you today by GrigoryGrabBooVoy.com's annual Anything You Want for $1,500 sale.
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Starting point is 01:38:00 annual anything you want for $1500 sale. With each purchase I throw in free bottle of I think that might be the best one. It sounds like you get a lot for $1,500. Okay, now let's meet these five other lady dirt bags. Different herd of Wana Baraza. If you don't know that name, you might recognize her buyer, stage name, the silent lady. By day, Wana Baraza worked as a popcorn vendor and sometimes as a luchidora, a female wrestler,
Starting point is 01:38:42 and a wrestling venue in Mexico City. Stocky and strong Baraza, took to the ring, I'm going to drop that tongue roll attempt. Baraza took to the ring as a lady of silence as she competed on Mexico's semi pro wrestling circuit. And while she was charged with 20, 27 murders, excuse me, between the years of 1998 and 2006, it's believed she killed between 42 and 48 women. Almost all of them over the age of 60 by either strangling them or literally beating them to death. She would have been 41 when the killing started, so not
Starting point is 01:39:10 granting Ripperage, but she didn't start in her 20s or 30s either. She would get inside the homes of elderly women by pretending to help carry in groceries or claiming to be sent by the government for medical help. Once inside she would pick a weapon, like a set of stockings or a telephone court and strangle them or just straight up beat the fuck out of them. Police following the cases had their own theory on who the killer was and what was driving him. According to criminologists, they strongly believe the killer was a man with a confused sexual identity who had been abused as a child by an elderly relative.
Starting point is 01:39:40 The killings were his way of channeling his resentment towards innocent victims who stood in for the person who would abuse them. I witness descriptions of a possible suspect reinforced this idea, let Baraza keep killing undetected. According to the witnesses, the suspect had the stock you build of a man but wore women's clothing as a result, the city police began rounding up known transvestite prostitutes for questioning. A major breakthrough in the case finally occurred on January 25th, 2006, when a suspect was arrested fleeing
Starting point is 01:40:07 from the home of the serial killer's latest victim, Anna Maria DeLos Reyes El Faro. And that suspect was, Juan Aburaza, then a 48 year old woman. She would be sentenced to 759 years in prison for the 27 murders she was charged with. Should we suck her someday? Her story is so fucking crazy.
Starting point is 01:40:24 Wrestler and popcorn vendor by day, brutal murderer by night, super fucked up, but also great excuse to have a suck full of insane wrestling matches. ["Sunday, Sunday, Sunday!" The silent lady is ready to butter up some popcorn and bust some fucking heads. Something like that, you know.
Starting point is 01:40:49 Uh, Baraza associated her elderly victims with her mother and believed that she was helping society by killing them. She was, uh, really killing her mother over and over again, an alcoholic mother, who she accused of pimping her out to men when she was just a little kid in exchange for beer. Yeah. Uh, the next old lady would not kill random citizens. She would kill her husbands. Melissa Ann Sheppard, aka the internet black widow,
Starting point is 01:41:11 born and burnt church new Brunswick, 1935. Millie moved to Ontario with her family when she was a teenager. In a 1955, she met and married a factory worker, Russell Sheppard, and they had two kids. In between 1970 and 1985, Melissa was convicted on a string of charges of fraud, for kids. In between 1970 and 1985, Melissa was convicted on a string of charges of fraud, forgery,
Starting point is 01:41:28 and impersonation in Toronto and in Georgetown, Prince Edward Island. Wasn't until she turned 55 that she began committing her most serious and violent crimes. In 1992, Shepard was convicted of manslaughter over the murder of her 44-year-old second husband, Gordon Stewart. Ranny moved her twice with a car.
Starting point is 01:41:46 He had tranquilizers in his system at the time. She told police, he had raped her and that she ran over him while trying to escape. And this is in all likelihood bullshit. Trying to escape from man passed out on tranquilizers seems fishy. She was sentenced to six years in prison released early on good behavior, serving just two years, fucking two years, fucking two years for running over a dude on purpose and killing him.
Starting point is 01:42:10 I never any proof that he did rape her, by the way, just the word of a murderer, just the word of someone who had been convicted numerous times on fraud, forgery, and impersonation charged over the years, a known liar, a convicted liar. Awesome, good job court system. And then she killed again, following her release, she toured the Awesome, good job court system. And then she'd kill again, following her release, she toured the country,
Starting point is 01:42:28 she had the fucking balls to give speeches on battered woman syndrome and killing and self defense. She's so full of shit. In 2000, she had married her third husband, American Robert Frederick shortly after meeting him online through a Christian dating site. Fuck yeah, she's Christian now. She's in drugs, you know, probably one of Jesus' favorites.
Starting point is 01:42:44 Her new husband died 14 months later leaving her, and that was a slam on her. Not on Christianity, by the way, but didn't make that clear. Her new husband died 14 months later, leaving her with tens of thousands of dollars in assets. She was never charged with the crime related to his death, but this guy's son's later won back a 15 grand and they do think she killed their dead.
Starting point is 01:43:03 I think she did too. Then in 2005, she settled in with another man she'd met online in Florida. And right away, will you know it? He started getting sick a lot, weird. The man's son alerted police after his father was hospitalized. Half a dozen times that he noticed unusual activity in his father's bank account.
Starting point is 01:43:20 Hospital test showed the man tested positive for tranquilizers. But police could not prove that she poisoned him. They did charge Shepherd with grand theft forgery and using a forged document to which she pled guilty. She was sentenced to five more years in prison. Then in 2012, two years after getting back at a jail, the now 77 year old woman is charged with the attempted murder of her fourth husband, Fred Weeks. You can't fucking help herself.
Starting point is 01:43:43 She's addicted to doing horrible shit. I've for pleading guilty to lesser charges. She sends to three and a half years in prison. How did she get these tiny sentences all the time? And incredibly, she is currently living free. She got arrested yet again for using the internet on a computer and a Halifax library in 2016 under the conditions of her parole.
Starting point is 01:44:02 She's supposed to never get on the internet and try and find more dates to kill, to make sense. The 85 year old now has a legal obligation to report any and all personal relationships to authorities. And she could be killing some poor Canadian grandpa or a great grandpa right now. I just picture her using like a walker to shelf it on the hallway of a nursery home.
Starting point is 01:44:19 Got some poison stuff in a pocket, waiting to sprinkle it into some poor octogenarians putting to some evil, murderous female virgin of Mr. Burns from the Simpsons, just, yes, me this, excellent. Who shall get Mama's spicy pudding today? This next senior killer earned the gruesome nickname, the death house, land lady.
Starting point is 01:44:40 Dorothea Puente was put on trial to age 64. When cops found evidence, she'd killed nine people between 1982 and 1988. Her murders began when she was 53 years old. She ran an unlicensed boarding house, tended to rent to people who didn't have many social connections. People who lived high-risk lifestyles, people she thought wouldn't be missed if they got, if they disappeared. Police found nine bodies buried beneath her house, somewhere in an almost mummified state, wrapped tight with cloths, bed sheets, duct tape, one missing its head, hands, and feet.
Starting point is 01:45:10 Police accused Puente of lacing food or drinks. She served her victims with a lethal mix of prescription drugs, poison them to collect their social security checks, a scheme that netted her more than $5,000 a month. In 1993, after what was then the longest deliberation in a murder case in California history, 24 days, the jury convicted her of three of the killings. She was sentenced to life in prison
Starting point is 01:45:31 without the possibility of parole. She would die in prison in 2011 at the age of 82. Not surprisingly, she also had a fucked up childhood. Her mom was a prostitute. Her dad was a drunk. He died when she was eight and her mom died the following year. She was then sent to a boarding school where she was a drunk. He died when she was eight and her mom died the following year. She was
Starting point is 01:45:45 then sent to a boarding school where she was sexually abused. Her former boarding house located at 1426 F Street in Sacramento, now rumored to be super haunted. It's been featured on episode of Ghost Adventures. Man, if haunting can be real, and those of you who listen to scared of death, no, I'm definitely open a skeptic but open up possibility They're gonna be some fucking creepy spirits in that house Next on this list of geriatric killer duo This is maybe the weirdest to me not the most gory your grotesque, but just odd partnership here 2008 Helen Glea 78-year-old living in Santa Monica, California and Olga rudder Schmidt
Starting point is 01:46:25 75-year-old living in Santa Monica, California, and Olga Rudder Schmidt, 75 year old living in Hollywood, Shobies were convicted of the murders of two vagrants. They were both sentenced to consecutive life sentences or life terms. There are killings would become known as the Black Widow murders on two separate occasions. They took a homeless man, first Paul Vados, then Kenneth McDavid took them, one of their wings housed them, fed these guys, looked after them for two years each, then killed these guys with their cars, hit and run style. They took out millions and millions of dollars in dozens of separate life insurance policies on each dude. After Vado's death, Galei and Ruderschmitt received benefits from eight different life insurance
Starting point is 01:47:01 policies that have been taken out on him. After McDavid's death, Galei received a total of one and a half million dollars in insurance proceeds. Rudder Schmidt a total of just under $700,000. And then the two women botched a third attempt. They're still trying to do that. They don't need the fucking money. They're very old. They could just enjoy being, I don't know, old evil ladies, but the clearly they like
Starting point is 01:47:23 to kill. The would be victim Jimmy Covington was asked to apply for an $800,000 life insurance policy. The women were dogged him about it aggressively insisting he'd do it. He started to worry. They wanted to kill him for the money. He fled, told police, the two women were brought in and they folded under questioning and the gig was up. Now 89 and 87 respectively.
Starting point is 01:47:41 They're both still alive, serving their sentences in Central California's women's facility in Chao Chila. One more. This next lady killed upwards of 30 people in the 1800s. Jane Toppen was a classic angel of death, the nickname given to nurses and doctors who previously killed her patients. She was born on a rick kelly around 1857 in Boston, the youngest of four girls in a poor Irish immigrant family. Her mother died of tuberculosis when she was a year old. Her father Peter Kelly, a tailor, lost his mind with severely manly ill, earned the
Starting point is 01:48:14 nickname of Kelly the crack as in Kelly the crack pot. He was so mentally ill he apparently sowed his fucking eyelids shut at one point. Yeah, when your dad does that, that's probably gonna fucking kid up a little bit. Father, father, are you alright? Yes, Jane. I am almost free. Sometimes you must go blind to truly see the darkness I can feel it. I can taste it, my dear. The darkness is pure.
Starting point is 01:48:42 Come here. Let me show you shit so we can see together. You know, just, you know, something like that. A big dream to it. 1863 Kelly in a brief moment of sanity took six-year-old Anora, her eight-year-old sister, Delaya, her sister, Nelly, age, not given to an orphanage called the Boston Female Asylum in the city, South End. Sounds like a super warm and fun and cozy place.
Starting point is 01:49:01 Delaya would soon go into prostitution, Nelly would end up at an insane asylum, so I'm guessing the probably wasn't the best place to grow up. The orphanage placed girls in respectable families when they turned 10 and by place, I mean, sold them into a form of child slavery. Honor became an indentured servant
Starting point is 01:49:15 to Mrs. Anci top in of Lowell, Massachusetts, spent the rest of her childhood doing whatever the fuck Ann told her to do. At the age 33, Jane started her training as a nurse at Cambridge Hospital in 1887. There she earned her nickname, Jolly Jane. She had a friendly outgoing personality, but that persona was just an act. The hospital administration grew concerned over her obsession with autopsies. They had no idea she'd begun to experiment with morphine and atropine on elderly patients. Jane soon took a new job at Massachusetts General Hospital, lost that
Starting point is 01:49:45 one when she recklessly gave out opiates. Nevertheless, doctors still continue to recommend her as a private nurse, especially for their wealthy clients. She was still a patient favorite. Kim Across is nothing but warm and friendly. Then in 1901, when she was 44, the family of one of her victims grew suspicious, police assigned a detailed follower soon she was arrested for murder and then she confessed to the murder of 31 people. She was quoted as saying that she aspired to have killed more people, helpless people than any other man or woman who has ever lived. So she was just a little bit fucked up. Then she told investigators that the killings gave her a sexual thrill. She said that after poisoning her victims, she would climb into bed with them, Fondle them attempt to quote see the inner workings of their souls through their eyes dear God
Starting point is 01:50:29 That's creepy as they died And their final moments she would hold them close and stare into their eyes It appears that she may have inherited some of her dad's mental instability And she would spend the last 40 years of her life committed to an insane asylum So as you can see while the granny ripper's tail is rare is unique And she would spend the last 40 years of her life committed to an insane asylum. So as you can see, while the granny ripper's tail is rare, it's unique. She's far from the only female serial killer we could have chosen to cover. And she's not the only geriatric female killer.
Starting point is 01:50:55 We could have chosen to cover today. Many other female murderers also than the five additional killers that I just previewed. So you know, for future topics, you know, if you guys want to send in to the Bojangles at TimesuckPodcast.com or if you spaces and vote some of these up, show some interest, we can do more female true crime sucks. Babushka Yaga, let's wrap up with that now. Was she a witch casting spells
Starting point is 01:51:19 and practicing strange rituals? Was she a cannibal like the Baba Yaga of the Old Stories or was she just a confused schizophrenic who wanted a better apartment. Someone who just saw human lives as disposable. Was she a little bit of all of that? I don't know. Let's take four looks back and one look into additional info in today's top five takeaways. Time, shock, top five takeaways.
Starting point is 01:51:44 Number one, Russia is obsessed with witchcraft and the occult. They have more faith healers than actual doctors. Grigory Grab-A-Voie, charge your $1,500 to bring kids back from the dead, due to claims to have cured AIDS and found Atlantis. And Antlie Karashowsky, healing people watching him on TV through his magical telepathic energy waves, these are the type of people desperate Russians turning to in the late 80s and 90s. Number two, tomorrow, Sam Sonova, the granny ripper, not an actual granny. If you had no children, let alone grandchildren.
Starting point is 01:52:14 The word babushka, which was added to yaga for another one of her nicknames, means older woman or a grandma. Number three, apartment vodka. When Sam Sonova wasn't killing, she was selling jeans or sweaters or vodka out. Number three, apartment vodka. When Sam Snowboard wasn't killing, she was selling jeans or sweaters or vodka over apartment or maybe working as a blacksmith. Thank you, Russia, for story details like those. Number four, VK.com.
Starting point is 01:52:35 I'd never heard of this Russian Facebook site before, but it's one of the most popular websites in the world. Has over 500 million users. It's the most popular website in all of Russia. One of the top 20 most visited websites on Earth and Sam Snow went viral on it in 2015. The Granny Ripper's face became a popular profile pick choice and numerous fake accounts sprung up and I love that.
Starting point is 01:52:55 It's almost like in the face of something deeply horrific and disgusting Russians, just like many of us in other countries around the world find that comedy is a good way to cope. Number five, something new. The Granny Ripper isn't the only Russian murder to have had a Chikotilo obsession. At least four other mass killers in Russia have admitted to admiring Chikotilo. Over the chessboard killer, Alexander Poshushkin, who set out to beat Chikotilo and kill one
Starting point is 01:53:18 person for every square on the chess board, jailed for life in 2007, convicted of killing 49 people, mainly in Beatsap 49 people mainly in Beatsapark or around Beatsapark in Moscow suspected of killing around 60. We covered the chessboard killer back in October of 2018. Siberian slaughterer, Mikhail Popkov, former cop who became known as the werewolf believed to have killed over 80 people according to Olga Moskovia, senior prosecutor at the Earths or Kutsk, region of Siberia, Popkov compared himself to Chikotilo as well.
Starting point is 01:53:48 We covered the werewolf back in April last year. And there are two Russian killers we didn't cover. Pens accountable, Alexander Bushkov, even replicated Chikotilo's methods, maniacally stabbing his victims in the same ways, his idol, his other idol was Hitler. Dude, it was not good. It picked an idols.
Starting point is 01:54:04 I was nabbed after killing 11 people by the age of 23. His mother said later, I saw him cutting out stories about Chica Teelo from the newspapers and putting them in his scrapbook. Yeh. Cotton 2012 sends the life in prison. Lastly, X Detective, Sir Hay, the beast, the coach convicted by Ukrainian court in 2008 of 29 murders and 11 attempted murders. I killed for 25 years from 1980 to 2005. The Russian-born monster claims to have killed roughly 200 people, saying his motive was revenge on women and, quote, simple sexual pleasure. He boasted, I'm not a man, I'm a beast.
Starting point is 01:54:41 Same as Chikotilo. So, if we decide to head back to Russia for more true crime, clearly, plenty of dirt bags to choose from. Time suck, tough, five takeaways. The Granny Ripper has been sucked. What an interesting world we live in. Sam Snowvis murders, to me, with the least interesting part of this episode. Man, sorcerers. People hiring sorcerers part of this episode. And source first, people hiring source first in Russia.
Starting point is 01:55:07 Now to protect themselves from witches in 2020. Gosh dang. I know we didn't have all the details we normally have for a true crime episode, but just the backdrop and just the overall broad strokes of the story made it worth it to me as far as an entertaining episode. I hope you agree. Thank you to the Bad Magic Productions team for all the help in making time suck.
Starting point is 01:55:27 Queen of Bad Magic Lindsey Cummins, Reverend Dr. Jill Paisley, the Scripkeeper Zach Flannery, Sophie the Fax source for his Evans, Biddelixer, Logan and Kate Keith, the art warlock in Bad Magic Baroness, running BadMagicMarch.com and our socials. Thanks to all those who've joined the Code of the Curious Private Facebook group.
Starting point is 01:55:44 Roughly 23,000 members in there to share some humor and community with, talk about interesting, oftentimes dark shit with huge thanks. As always, to Liz Hernandez and our all-seeing eyes running the Cult of Curious Facebook page. Thanks to all the roughly 8,000 wonderful weirdos having fun on Discord, all sorts of mayhem to get involved with over there. And thanks to these spaces, just playing the the Time Suck trivia on the app, CS Gallic are leading around four with 3,344 points.
Starting point is 01:56:10 A couple weeks left to go to see who brings the next cowboy page in trophy home. Next week on Time Suck, we cover yet another cult, cult, cult, cult. This will be a cult unlike the cult we've covered before, the Nexium Sex Cult. Spelled NXIVM covered before the nexium sex cult spelled NX IVM but pronounced nexium.
Starting point is 01:56:27 Yep, like the brand name of the drug that treats acid reflux. Nexium occulted operative Albany, New York beginning in the mid 90s, lasted until it's founder Keith Rainier, a rescuer to few years ago in 2017 following former members going public with stories about how they've been forced to spend all their money on nexium classes forced to participate in strange rituals, and even sometimes literally branded. This is a modernist fuck cult, somewhere between a multi-level marketing scheme, diet Scientology, and a true sex cult.
Starting point is 01:56:56 Next-yam count of thousands of members at its peak enrollment, including wealthy erasists, famous actors, and the children of diplomats and state officials. Keith Rainier had a firm grasp on these people they believed he was a kind of God. They called him Vanguard is in the leader of a movement. It's out there a part of something truly special, but they weren't. They were part of something disgusting, manipulative, and criminal. Sixty-year-old Keith convicted a sex trafficking and other crimes scheduled to be sensed in just a few weeks.
Starting point is 01:57:21 He's expected to get somewhere between 15 years and life in prison. When we explore his cult this next week, we're also going to dig into just how fucked up and toxic certain multi-level marketing companies can be even when they're not weird sex cults. The main takeaway is going to be if someone promises you that they can solve your life in a matter of a few months, they probably can't. If it sounds too good to be true, it generally truly really is too good to be true. How to Keith Rainier transition from the head of a pyramid scheme to becoming a co-leader, find out next week on another strange and entertaining edition of Time Suck. And now let's head on over to this week's Time Sucker Updates.
Starting point is 01:58:04 Starting off with a couple, hollow earth updates. Be Arthur, top shelf sack, not the deceased former Golden Girls cast member, right? Well, Master Sucker, you asked, so here I am. My father is, was, not sure, a hollow earth believer who believed that we were visited by UFOs from both inside and outside of Earth. How does the Sun set? Well, let me tell you. A shade is cast over it every night. My dumb kid brain once asked, like magic, and he said, no stupid. It's technology. There's no such thing as magic.
Starting point is 01:58:38 The tunnels to get inside used to be visible and accessible, but our wars are scary. So they have been concealed and will maybe be open again when the surface is like Star Trek. He was also a Diagnosed schizophrenic, but I'm sure that's unrelated. So there you go. B. Goddamn Arthur, my real name. B. I'm sorry that your dad suffers from schizophrenia. Holy shit, this message made me laugh. My favorite part is him telling you that you're stupid for thinking that the hollow earth set's based on magic. It's technology, come on, wake up.
Starting point is 01:59:09 And yeah, I think I'm believing all that in being schizophrenia, probably related. Sincerely, hope he's getting treatment, hope that it's helping, and I love your name. Golden Girls legit one of the best funniest sitcoms ever produced. The jokes permitted on that show off the charts. The writing's so crisp, so tight, not joking. I feel like people are gonna think I'm joking.
Starting point is 01:59:27 Sick Com riders will study Golden Girls. It was that damn good. They still study today. Go back and watch an episode, if you think of Bullseye. Fantastic, it holds up, fantastic show. More hollow earth fuckery coming in now from Spacet or Smalls. Leaving his real name out.
Starting point is 01:59:41 This message, both funny and what kind of depressing? Small out, this message, both funny and, what kind of depressing? Small writes, holy shit, wackadoodles truly do walk among us. I work in a plant breeding lab. I work in a plant breeding lab, excuse me, at a well-known university, under a well-respected genetics professor with three PhDs. This lady knows her stuff, or so I thought. Today, a group of us were doing field work,
Starting point is 02:00:03 and we got to talking about our favorite podcasts of course I brought up time suck. Thank you and some of what you cover and some of the shit stains and events that you have sucked When I said you occasionally cover some different topics such as this past weeks hollow earth episode the professor lit up Before I can mention anything else about the show she immediately went on about how we live on the crust of the earth But the insides is filled with aliens that control our society's leaders. I was dumbfounded. This professor, who has extremely well respected in her field, who has never shown any signs of wackadoodleness, taught me countless things about genetics, and wrote me a letter of recommendation for my career search believes we live on a hollow rock filled with aliens who control our
Starting point is 02:00:40 society. She continued to say she once visited them after traveling through a lava tube that her husband A geologist discovered while they were backpacking across Europe and Africa This is extra shocking as not only does a well-educated professor think she met aliens in the center of the earth her husband Who is a geology professor? believes the world does a hollow and filled with aliens Maybe worth noting that he is that he retired after he had a severe head injury in a climbing accident. Here's that is worth noting. Here's a go. Most everyone in the field that day trying to tell her as respect as respectfully as
Starting point is 02:01:14 possible that she is nuts and needs to have her head checked. Truly goes to show you may never you truly goes to show you really never know who is a pure bread grade A through and through Wacadu. Keep on sucking, not a space is a hollow earth, hell lizard, smalls. Smalls, that is very fucking disturbing. The geology professor with a severe head wound, believe it, that part makes sense to me. Guessing he legitimately has brain damage. But your professor, like, how?
Starting point is 02:01:41 People as educated as she is claiming this shit is true to such a tremendous disservice to society, because then wacky needles can point to her and be like, see, see the multiple doctorate have a genetics professor believes it, so it must be true. And what's up with her claim that she snuck down a fucking lava tube? Is it aliens?
Starting point is 02:01:59 Did she forget cell phone to bring herself on when she did that? Or to bring a camera if it was in the days before cell phones? Yeah, it'd be nice. It'd be nice to see some pics. You would think if you were gonna take the time to crawl down a lava tube to visit aliens in the center of the earth that you might, I don't know, bring a camera.
Starting point is 02:02:13 Just maybe. Terrifying, she's still teaching. All right. Hey, meet text, do you remember last week when my allergies acted up when I read that last message from Super Sucker Grace Obafi? We'll have to receiving our donation, Grace message just back and she wrote, I'm at my desk in tears. The staff at Girls in the Know just called me and told me about the donation you just made. We are a small organization and your gift
Starting point is 02:02:38 is monumental for us. I am grateful beyond words for your generosity. I've been a little time sucker for over a year now. This is one of the reasons why. You've built a community, a family, a group that I'm proud to be a part of. When people ask me why I wanna be a social worker, they usually joke and say it's clearly not for the money and the right. I wanna be someone I didn't have in my younger
Starting point is 02:02:56 through girls in the know. I'm able to do that. The donation you made will help so many young girls learn they are enough. Thank you. Well, thank you, Grace. That is crazy, by the way, that you were crying. Do you know that I've never cried once in my whole life? Listen, it's
Starting point is 02:03:10 not like I show real emotion, but it's allergies mother. Oh, for real though, we wouldn't know about your charity. Had you not written in, feel good about that, Grace. Now, take all that youthful optimism, take that big hearty ears, go set the fucking world on fire. You beautiful bastard. Hail Nimrod! Now, after a sweet and positive message, let us turn to utter and complete darkness for an anonymous toy box killer update. This is fucking insane. If you recall from that highly disturbing episode that walking port-a-potty of a human being, David Parker Ray, did not sexually torture all of his victims alone. He had accomplices. His main accomplice being Cindy Hendy. Cindy helped David commit numerous murders and rapes in the 90s and in exchange for testifying against David, she was not sent to prison for life. She was sent to prison in 2000 to serve 36 years. She just got parole this past July. I for not even serving 20 years, just under 20 years.
Starting point is 02:04:06 She listened apparently to the episode about her. And we know that because her daughter in law is a fan of the show and her daughter in law wrote in about Cindy recently moving in with her. She wrote Cindy, Cindy is my mother-in-law. Fuck it's fucking insane. Now for starters, I have to say I learned a lot more about her by listening to the podcast and a holy sheep shit freaky. Her son and only son is my husband.
Starting point is 02:04:34 When all this came out, he said none of it surprised him. He does not trust her, seems to be super sensitive about, oh, and she seems to be super sensitive about a lot of shit. She recently got her eyebrows tattooed and I told her in my opinion that they're too dark I should have done that She said nothing to me about it later her son Shane my husband told me not to comment on it again because it really pissed her off She's easily fired up Said something once about having weapons hidden around the house fantastic, right? That is so scary
Starting point is 02:05:02 I've yet to find any she keeps her room real dark. I won't go in there. She has the window blocked out so quote no one can see her inside. I Want to like her, but she's hard to get along with. Everyone in the house has a hard time getting along with her. Cindy's daughter-in-law then asked us if we had any questions for Cindy. So I asked was Cindy a willing participant in the crimes? I wanted to ask this because she tried to act when she was first caught like David forced her to participate. She was coerced. Here's what her daughter-in-law said.
Starting point is 02:05:30 Oh, absolutely. She was a willing participant. She's never said she was coerced into any of it. The only thing she said was that she had no part of the murders. She said she never watched anyone get murdered. She did say that David would point out at the lake that was on his property and tell her that he'd sunk bodies out there and that he would vaguely point to parts of the lake where the bodies might be.
Starting point is 02:05:53 Then she says, we also told her, no, yeah, and then sorry, we told her to be really careful around Cindy, asked if she was afraid of Cindy doing something to her and she wrote back. She's very sensitive, she's easily fired up, but I'm not in any way worried, LOL, she's all of 105 pounds. I literally have 60 pounds of her, my son, her son, my husband, says she still has a lot of real traits and the untrustworthy attitude she'd always had. Yeah.
Starting point is 02:06:18 Finally, we asked Cindy's daughter-in-law of Cindy's seen remorseful about her participation in sexual torture and rapes and she wrote back, she does not seem remorseful. She literally shrugs it all off. It's like she'd rather not deal with it. She said that the victim who got away sent the vigil wanted to write a book about it all and asked Cindy to sign a release for her to use her name. And then Cindy asked for a cut of the book sales in order for her to agree. She's a motherfucker, huh?
Starting point is 02:06:42 Man, she is a motherfucker. By God, be careful. She's in your house. She's a dangerous, morally bankrupt human being. She's about as fucking evil as they can be. And don't let the fact that she's 60 and 105 pounds will allow you into a false sense of security. Based on pictures, the granny ripper probably wasn't more than like a buck 10 and she killed just fine.
Starting point is 02:07:02 So stay safe. Anonymous time sucker and man, fire you. I would do everything you can to get that fucking lunatic out of your house. Now back to a hollow earth related message. Super sucker Shannon Hamlin writes a subject line of I was trying to make sense of it. And then for a message, she writes, good afternoon, Lord Suckington greetings from Arizona. I hope all is well on your side of the world. 2020 may be a dumpster fire, chalk full of fireworks and shit, but there can be bright spots still in it.
Starting point is 02:07:30 And I hope you and your team are having a few. Yeah, I think so. There we are. While listening to this week's Suck on the Hollow Earth theory, I couldn't stop laughing. It was a much needed jump into some true insane bullshit after the last few. Well, the whole year pretty much.
Starting point is 02:07:42 I started laughing particularly hard when you said, I have the most ridiculous search history from this past week. I was just trying to get it to make sense. It was just true. This is my life, the phrase, but I have questions as permanently reserved space number two or number three in my lexicon. I was always the kid that got into trouble
Starting point is 02:07:58 for following up every question my mom answered with, but why? Now that I have young nieces and nephews, I completely understand how a kid's face can instantly become punchable when these words are uttered. Yeah. Thank you for the much needed last entertainment. Thank you and your team for the excellent work they do
Starting point is 02:08:12 and all the long hours they put in, you're appreciated more than you know, since they're really shan. Well, thank you, Shannon. It's very nice and sounds like you and me with the same kind of kid. My parents would tell me I couldn't ask any more questions at different points like for the rest of the day.
Starting point is 02:08:23 They would just stop me and be like, no, no more questions now. Tell tomorrow. I thought that was so cruel. And then my son, Kato, was born. And I started, and he started to talk. And I was like, okay, I get it. I get it. Yeah, the more I learn, it seems like the more questions I have, such a big and crazy world, such a challenge to try and make sense of it all, but so fun to try, right? And all the craziness, you know, as maddening as it can be in times, I guess it does keep us curious folk entertained as well. And yeah, andiness, you know, as maddening as it can be in times, I guess it does keep us curious, folks entertained as well. And yeah, and again, we are finding bright spots for sure in the dumpster fire that is 2020 and hope you continue to find some as well. Now we have a herding meat sack who would like a shout out, awesome sucker, Pete Mills writes a subject line of, I just lost my brother.
Starting point is 02:09:01 And then he writes, hello to all of you beautiful time suckers and spaces. It's long story short. I turn my brother on to Dan Cummins when he released crazy with the capital F. We both fell in love with this comedy. Our family is the same sense of humor and it felt like Dan was a long lost relative. Sounds like you have a either. Well, I was going to say horrible beats like awesome. You have a family that some people will consider terrible. I would consider awesome. Over 10 years later, my brother and I are at comedy works Denver for the recording of live in Denver. My brother and I both spaces are just, my brother just passed away on September 23rd at the age of 37. He was a great
Starting point is 02:09:33 meat sack and taking too soon. If you give a shout out to Amanda Armstrong, that would be fantastic. Amanda as a fellow meat sack and also our cousin, hail Nimrod, Pete Mills. Pete, I'm so sorry, my man. Can't imagine how heavy your heart must be right now. Sounds like you and your brother shared a lot of memories together and that's beautiful and, you know, through those memories he, he will live on. And hello, Amanda Armstrong. Be a good cousin. Be a better friend to Pete right now. He seems like, seems like the best dude. Hale Nimrod to your entire family. And yeah, hope the rest of the year does not bring you further tragedies.
Starting point is 02:10:09 And now let's end on some dark comedy to, you know, to lighten things up a little bit. Highest fuck sucker Taylor Ghosts. Chose the wrong episode to listen to when he was real stoned. Taylor Roats, hello Dan Bojangles, personal Good Boy Treats supplier comments. I've been a sucker since the Green River Killer suck have seen your standup shows and Phoenix the past two years.
Starting point is 02:10:28 I've been slacking a little bit on the podcast and started to catch up and I listened to the Richard Chase suck. I was also really high when I thought this would be a good idea and I was high throughout the entire episode. I soon came to greatly regret this decision. While listening to the episode I became very imaginative and focused on the descriptions on his character movements and his demented facial patterns. I also started really imagining Little Dick tearing open those animals and seeing their
Starting point is 02:10:52 fear and pain for a brief moment when they died. I was like this for the whole episode. I almost started literally puking when you were describing how much he mutilated the one victim's body and dissected her. I'm highly terrified, would not change a thing three out of five stars Taylor Gus. Uh, Taylor should probably listen to the Disney suck. Should probably jump back into the Disney suck, focus on evil Roy Disney instead of torching yourself with the vampire of Sacramento.
Starting point is 02:11:17 Uh, your message really cracked me up because I can just picture how I would process that information if I was hearing it for the first time when I was fucking stone out of my mind. Hope your brain is healed a little bit. Hope all you are doing as well as you can be in 2020 hail Nimrod everyone. Thank you for writing in. Next time suckers, I need a net. We all did. And that's all for this week meat sacks more bad man more bad, man, can't even think of my own company, more bad magic productions content coming your way,
Starting point is 02:11:49 the rest of the week. New Spooks were scared to death Tuesday night, some escapeous laughs on Wednesday, with Mr. Reverend Dr. Joe Paisley, is we dumb? Please don't poison anyone, cut up their body, toss some of it across the street, because you don't wanna move out of an apartment, you're not supposed to be living in the first place,
Starting point is 02:12:04 and keep on sucking Still knocking people down with that microphone God Wonder how many places this is happening in Russia right now? It's an auditorium, techno music, and a sorcerer, with a microphone, bopping people. Oh, this is fantastic. Now he's lining up a family and getting ready to domino those motherfuckers.
Starting point is 02:12:40 And why is he doing that? Because Russia. And why is he doing that? Because Russia!

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