Timesuck with Dan Cummins - 260 - Robin Williams: A Wonderful Mind's Rise and Fall

Episode Date: September 6, 2021

Robin Williams knew how to make people feel deeply. He could give you a belly laugh - or a cathartic cry. He knew how to entertain you in a way that only he could. He seemingly had so much energy it's... like he vibrated around instead of walking like the rest of us. His mind seemed to move so FAST. And then his brilliant mind betrayed him. Or, rather, his mind just wasn't able to defend him from the cruel and degenerative disease of Lewy Body Dementia. With the diagnosis not coming until two years after his death, he had no idea why he was suddenly becoming more and more forgetful, confused, paranoid, and delusional. While he publicly continued making movies and tv shows, he privately suffered. And then on August 11, 2014, at the age of 63, he took his own life. Or, rather, Lew Body Dementia took it. A sad ending. But before that - what a life! From rich kid, to broke student, to struggling comic, to rocketing to fame and fortune with first Mork and Mindy, and then successful standup specials, and then classic films like Good Morning, Vietnam, Dead Poets Society, Mrs. Doubtfire, and Goodwill Hunting - Williams entertained hundreds of millions of people. And today we examine and celebrate his life - and even critique it a bit - while also learning about the disease that took him from us. We're donating $15,400 this month to the American Nurses Foundation Coronavirus Response Fund for Nurses. This Covid response fund provides mental health support, direct financial aid, education, and evidence-based information, and overall advocacy for nurses. To learn more: https://www.nursingworld.org/foundation/programs/coronavirus-response-fund/ Watch the Suck on YouTube: https://youtu.be/iB0yViCiJVoMerch - https://badmagicmerch.com/ Discord! https://discord.gg/tqzH89v Want to join the Cult of the Curious private Facebook Group? Go directly to Facebook and search for "Cult of the Curious" in order to locate whatever current page hasn't been put in FB Jail :) For all merch related questions/problems: store@badmagicproductions.com (copy and paste) Please rate and subscribe on iTunes and elsewhere and follow the suck on social media!! @timesuckpodcast on IG and http://www.facebook.com/timesuckpodcast Wanna become a Space Lizard? We're over 10,000 strong! Click here: https://www.patreon.com/timesuckpodcast Sign up through Patreon and for $5 a month you get to listen to the Secret Suck, which will drop Thursdays at Noon, PST. You'll also get 20% off of all regular Timesuck merch PLUS access to exclusive Space Lizard merch. You get to vote on two Monday topics each month via the app. And you get the download link for my new comedy album, Feel the Heat. Check the Patreon posts to find out how to download the new album and take advantage of other benefits.

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Starting point is 00:00:00 The human brain has an estimated 70 to 100 billion neurons that fire along ever changing pathways. Our brains are always changing for better or for worse. Modern research has demonstrated that the brain continues to create new neural pathways and alter existing ones in order to adapt to new experiences, learn new information, and create new memories. Neurons are information messengers.
Starting point is 00:00:20 They use electrical impulses and chemical signals to transmit information between different areas of the brain and between the brain and the rest of the nervous system And when those chemical signals the neurons use change we change and if the chemical changes drastic The changing us can often be drastic as well for better or for worse Anyone who suffered from a severe episode of mental illness or who has gotten really really high on one of many mind-altering drugs It affects brain chemistry can attest to changing, really high on one of many mind-altering drugs that affect brain chemistry, can attest to changing chemistry, really affecting how one behaves, thinks, feels, acts, etc. Today, we're going to celebrate the life of a man who's a typical brain initially helped
Starting point is 00:00:55 launching with the Heights of Fame, and then, in the end, completely betrayed him and left him fearing his own now fragile mind. Act or comedian and entertainment legend legend Robin Williams, a man whose brain chemistry helped give him unparalleled wit and a gift to give other so much joy. And then that chemistry shifted and left him with confusion, delusion, paranoia, sadness and hopelessness. And he never even knew what he was suffering from. What was attacking him from the inside out? The truth wouldn't be discovered until years after his death. Despite not understanding what happened to him despite spending so much of his final months, years even wondering if he had dementia or schizophrenia or Parkinson's, he kept making those around him laugh. He kept being romantic to his wife, a loving father to his
Starting point is 00:01:34 kids. Someone his friends could always count on and a generous and kind coworker to whoever he was working with. Dude, how does critics, detractors? We'll discuss that today as well, but overall, I think even some comics who accused him of stealing their jokes would say that Robin Williams was a fucking champion of a human being. And he's the first comic we've covered here on TimeSuck. A comic who made the difficult jump to TV startup, then film startup, a comic we can make you laugh
Starting point is 00:01:56 until you cried and also dazzle you in a drama and win awards without ever cracking a joke. A one of a kind, forcing nature when it came to entertaining others in a variety of ways. Williams career span 36 years with countless memorable films, TV shows, Grammy winning comedy albums and charity events. He won damn near every award the entertainment business has to offer. After roughly four decades of consistently working to make people feel joy and in his
Starting point is 00:02:19 own words to help people be less afraid, it is a terrible kind of irony that Rob Williams left the earth in such a joyless way. We know now that his self-induced death in 2014 did not come out of depression as many had speculated, but from a crippling and fatal form of a nasty brain disease called Louis body dementia, that he'd been suffering with the advanced stages of for months and months. LBD would make the last few years of Robin's life incredibly painful for him, his family, and his many friends and collaborators from long and intense bouts within Somnia, paranoia,
Starting point is 00:02:49 delusions, even hallucinations. Robin had become in his final months deeply aware that he was no longer himself. One point he said to his wife, he wished he could reboot his brain. And if that would have been possible, he'd probably still be with us. Still making new movies that made his laugh and made his cry. The world loved Robin Williams. It still loves him. Today we look into why.
Starting point is 00:03:08 Today we examine the glorious rise and tragic fall of one of the most unique minds in showbiz. It's another biosecondition of TimeSuck. This is Michael McDonald and you're listening to TimeSuck. You listening to time, stuff. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
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Starting point is 00:03:44 Yeah. Yeah. Yeah be to Triple M. Thank you to everyone who came out to the Portland Organ shows two weeks ago. So much fun. At Saturday's Second Show, got a special appearance from Kyle Kanane. Love that he dropped in for a set for parent for his own tour.
Starting point is 00:03:56 Catch that dude wherever you can. So smart, so funny. I'll be a Doug Meller, another very funny dude. He's opening up for me in Philadelphia for five shows at punchline. That chain is on the brain today. It's a sister club of punchline in San Francisco, Robin Williams used to drop in there for sets.
Starting point is 00:04:12 I'll actually be at Cobbs, another club Williams used to pop into from time to time in San Francisco in October. And I'll be talking all about Williams standup days here soon. I'll also be at the Columbus Funnybone this month. Not many tickets left for the Columbus shows. At least one of the Philly shows sold out as well. So thank you for that. Very different kind of item in the store at BadMagicMarch.com. Totally curious playing cards. Get your Rummy on with a suck themed deck. Love it. And one more announcement
Starting point is 00:04:37 today. That's charity. Something that Rob Williams was also a big fan of a big philanthropist. Bad Magic productions will be donated at least 15,000 of our Patreon subscriptions this month to the American Nurses Foundation coronavirus response fund for nurses. I know that's a mouthful. I should know the exact amount next week. Nurses aboard the brunt of the work the past 18 months with the ongoing pandemic. They've been working more hours than ever getting sick more often, dying more often. They've been on the front line the whole time. They continue to risk their lives to help the vaccinated and non vaccinated alike, which I think is pretty noble. This response fund provides mental health support, direct financial aid, education and evidence-based information and overall advocacy for nurses. To find out more, click the link in our
Starting point is 00:05:16 episode description or just search for coronavirus response fund for nurses on Google or whatever browser to use. It comes up first. Also Also hearts go out to the 13 US military service members, killed in Kabul, helping with evacuations, like our active duty and veteran suckers to know that we will honor their sacrifice and the sacrifice of so many others by donating to a military charity again in November, keeping the tradition of donating to a military charity every November alive. And sometimes we do donate additionally to the military on other months. I've been reading lots of articles on Afghanistan. It's been on my mind a lot lately.
Starting point is 00:05:47 I wanted to share that. Now let's dig into the life of a guy who's throughout some of the best quotes ever. Like never pick a fight with an ugly person. They've got nothing to lose. And reality is just a crutch for people who can't cope with drugs. Our Patreon Space Losers voted and Robin Williams is getting sucked. Well, I didn't pick this topic. The timing for it cannot be more perfect for me.
Starting point is 00:06:13 Before Robin Williams was a sitcom star and then a bona fide movie star, he was what I've been for most of my adult life, a stand up comic, comedian. He was a comic who was just a joy to watch and he was a joy to watch performance part, definitely for me at least, because he seemed to have so much damn fun performing. Well, I always preferred, you know, either the more structured storytelling and social commentary approach of like George Carlin
Starting point is 00:06:35 or the deadpan imaginative absurdity of a Stephen Wright. I did always appreciate the special frenetic the train could go completely off to fucking rails at any moment, energy of Robin Williams performances. always appreciated the manic joy he brought to his work. And 20 years after my first open mic, I've been having more fun than ever. After 17 months, COVID hiatus after a year and a half and not working on bits, doing shows, even set in foot in the comedy club. Of trying to convince myself I was overstand up and just didn't want to do it anymore. I've been having the most fun I've ever had on stage. convince myself I was overstand up and just didn't want to do it anymore. I've been having the most fun I've ever had on stage. I didn't realize how burnout I was getting launching a podcast business
Starting point is 00:07:08 recording multiple weekly shows, creating weekly bonus content for paid trial listeners touring too much. We'll still trying to still trying to be a good, you know, active husband and father, also trying to work out and take care of myself. I wasn't leaving me a lot of time for, you know, sleep. Now, I started to resent doing all the things I loved, especially stand up. The time it would take to get to places, trying to get my podcast prepped on, you know,
Starting point is 00:07:28 airports and hotels and around radio call-ins and morning TV promos. Well, the hiatus allowed me to refocus. Give my podcast a fair as an order, learn how to be more organized, how to plan more, rely on a team more, hire and train more, rest more. Feel okay, say no to certain promotional obligations,
Starting point is 00:07:46 just certain work opportunities. And I was able with Lindsay the team here has helped to create the space, not just to do stand up again, but to enjoy it and holy shit do I enjoy it. Now I see it as a gift instead of just taking it for granted. And I think William Saad is a gift too. For most of his stand up career,
Starting point is 00:08:01 he did not need to do it at all. He didn't need to do it after just the first few years. Now, once he started making that morgue and mending money in 1978, he didn't need stand-up money. He just kept getting project after project and just, yeah, truly didn't need to do it. He already has a full-time job acting in project after project movie, after movie, you know, show it up on TV shows. I don't think he did it for the money.
Starting point is 00:08:23 I think he did it because he just loved to make people laugh. I think I forgot for a while. That's why you should be doing that. You should be the primary focus as simple as that is. It's how can you forget that? To make people laugh. I think I kind of did.
Starting point is 00:08:35 I think I was making it too much about me, what stories I wanted to tell, how I wanted the show to go. You know, how much I needed to make or thought I needed to make. If these venues, how many tickets I needed to sell, you know, needed in quotes. And all that's important, you know,
Starting point is 00:08:48 the bigger part of the term show business is business, but the most important part should always be just making sure the audience has a fucking great time. They have a great time, you should have a great time. Now I'm doing the same shows I was doing before, but with a different perspective and focus, I don't even think most fans will notice a difference, but I feel it.
Starting point is 00:09:04 And I can tell Robin had that difference, but I feel it. And I can tell Robin had that perspective that he felt that he was, he was hyper aware of how joyless stand-up comedy could be. I think he took a, you know, a lot of strides to avoid that. He once said regarding his fellow comics, it's a brutal field, man, they burn out. It takes its toll plus the lifestyle, partying, drinking drugs. If you're on the road, it's even more brutal. You got to come back down to mellow your ass out. Then performing takes you back up. They flame out because it comes and goes.
Starting point is 00:09:30 Suddenly they're hot and then somebody else is hot. Sometimes they get very bitter. Sometimes they just give up. Sometimes they have a revival thing and they come back again. Sometimes they snap. The pressure kicks in. You become obsessed and then you lose that focus that you need. You have Robin knew how not to do stand up.
Starting point is 00:09:46 It was a sharp guy. It was a very sharp guy. In the end, I actually think his razor sharp mind maybe made him more hyper aware of how his mind wasn't working. Like it should than maybe somebody else's mind would. I'm excited to share his brilliant mind with you today. Not a lot of setup required for this week's suck. I'm Robin Williams, one of the most famous comedians and actors in the history of either profession. Guess and you've probably heard of him. In case you haven't, here's a quick overview of some of his major achievements. During the course
Starting point is 00:10:13 of his career Williams won so many awards, including an Academy Award for Best Supporting Actor for his role in Goodwill Hunting. 1997, he won six Golden Globe Awards, including Best Actor, Motion Picture Musical or Comedy for his role as a good morning Vietnam, and 1997, the Fisher King in 1991, Mrs. Doubtfire in 1993, along with winning the Special Golden Globe Award for vocal work in a motion picture for his role as the Genie in Aladdin in 1992.
Starting point is 00:10:40 Won this Golden Globe Cecil DeMille Award, Cecil B DeMille, to be precise, award in 2005 for outstanding contributions to the world of entertainment on top of all that He received two prime time Emmy Awards two screen actors guild awards nine Grammy Award nominations five Grammy wins Three of them for best stand-up album of the year so much fucking talent so much success He always seems so damn happy like over the top happy and talent, so much success. He always seemed so damn happy like over the top happy. Maybe some of it was over the top as far as in the way of being like forced. He might have been hiding some pain. Maybe that was the way he massed some of the pain he felt. There was a dark side to Robin's life. He did fall into depression on numerous occasions. He did
Starting point is 00:11:18 get real heavy to drugs, struggled to keep his home life together, was married three times. We'll go over all that in today's timeline. We'll also meet Robin's parents here and his very unique childhood. It was now unexpected. Watch his rise from a high school drama star into a young guy that looks like he was going to be a professional student, you know, to not get a degree from several institutions of higher learning to be an international icon. Before we get into the timeline, let's first look at some of the sciencey stuff of the brain disease that took him from us, that Lewy body dementia. The thing's, this is a real piece of shit. Lewy body dementia, it's a disease associated with abnormal deposits of a protein called
Starting point is 00:11:54 alpha-synuclein in the brain. Synu-kian. Synuclein. Jesus Christ. These deposits, I think I had right the first time, and I second, guess myself, these deposits called, Louis bodies affect chemicals in the brain, whose changes in turn can lead to problems with thinking, movements, behavior, and mood. You know, some pretty important shit. Louis body dementia is one of the most common causes of overall dementia, and about 1.3 million Americans currently have it. Dementia is the loss of overall cognitive functioning, thinking, remembering, reasoning, the such an extent that it interferes with the person's daily life and activity sometimes substantially.
Starting point is 00:12:32 Dimension is a sneaky shady flat out evil motherfucker with no redeeming qualities. It dimension was a human being. Even the most passive, progressive liberal people on earth would want to fucking throat punch and or nut kick dementia to death. No cure yet for dementia. Once you begin to suffer from it, if you live long enough, it just keeps getting worse. You can learn to manage symptoms and lessen its effects somewhat, but it never actually gets better.
Starting point is 00:12:57 People suffering from dementia struggle to control their emotions to varying degrees. Their personalities often change and degrade. Dimension robs you of you. It's like someone sneaks in a racer into your brain and starts wiping away little pieces personality is often changed in degree. Dimension robs you of you. It's like someone sneaks in a racer into your brain and starts wiping away little pieces of your memories, cognitive abilities, starts wiping away little pieces of you.
Starting point is 00:13:12 It's fucking terrible. Dimension ranges in severity from the mildest age when it's just beginning to affect a person's functioning to the most severe stage, when the person must depend completely on others for basic activities of living. Because they don't know what the fuck is going on with almost anything anymore. They're technically alive.
Starting point is 00:13:29 Their heart still beats. Their lungs still taken and expel air, but the person they used to be, that person's dead and gone. So fuck dementia. People who suffer from dementia don't typically begin to show symptoms until age 50 or older, although sometimes people even younger than 50 can get LBD. Yeek! No? Thank you. I wish it worked that way with diseases and tragedies, like in general. You could just be like, no, thank you. And then you just wouldn't get it, right? Or you
Starting point is 00:13:56 just get rid of it. Like, you know, like you haven't been feeling yourself. You got the doctor's office, you know, as she tells you, well, we just got the results back and I'm sorry to say you have a Louis body dementia. And then you can just be like, no, thank you. And she's like, no, that's not how that's not how it works. You do have it. No, thank you. I wish it worked that way, Dan, but we don't get to pick and choose what effects is. No, thank you.
Starting point is 00:14:19 I do run the test again. I don't have anymore. And then after a bunch of arguing and agreeing to pay for it outside of your insurance, the doctor comes back with new test results, your next appointment, and she's like, oh my God, this is incredible. You barely do not have a Louis body dimensiony longer. We re-rand the results twice and just get nothing. Your cholesterol is a bit high though.
Starting point is 00:14:39 No, thank you. Listen, I don't know how you got lucky. I said, no, thank you. Run some more tests. I wish. Back to reality. Early LBD symptoms are often confused with similar symptoms found in other brain diseases
Starting point is 00:14:50 or psychiatric disorders. Most common symptoms include changes in cognition, movement, sleep, and behavior. So almost all of you can occur alone or along with other brain disorders. It's progressive disease that you know, starts slowly and then worsens over time. Last an average of five to eight years, from the time of diagnosis to death, but can range
Starting point is 00:15:08 from two to 20 years for some people, no care for the disease at this time, and the precise cause of LBD is unknown. Unfortunately, no specific lifestyle factor has been proven to increase one's risk for LBD. That would also be nice if something very specific led to it. And ideally something real atypical that you can easily cut out of your life, like yo-yoing. You know, just stop fucking around yo-yos and you don't get LBD, easy peasy.
Starting point is 00:15:36 No walking the dog, no sleeper, no around the world. Put the yo-yo down, keep your mind sharp. Now thank you. What a terrible way to live. To not have any control over your mind and for a genius of a man like Robin Williams, whose mind ran a lot wilder faster than most, whose mind had to stay exceptionally sharp
Starting point is 00:15:52 in order for him to continue doing his job and keep being him feeling his mind slip further and further from what it once was, you know, just proved to be too much to take. I get it as much as I can for not experiencing anything like he did. If I had to pick, I'd rather lose my body than my mind. You know, not a fun choice either way, but your mind, I mean,
Starting point is 00:16:10 that's who you are. When you lose your mind, are you really even you anymore? Various forms of dementia have always seemed to me to be, you know, sort of a living death. You know, like, again, like you're just like a zombie of sorts. Mindless zombie, shelf life, not possess any higher thoughts, mostly fixated on feeding, hospital or assisted living facility food instead of human brains, I guess. No, thank you. No, thank you. So let's jump into this week's
Starting point is 00:16:33 very man-new, nannu-laced time-stuck timeline now. You shaz-bots. Won't be nearly as depressing as me explaining how terrible this disease is, I promise. Robyn's death lasted, but a moment, his life lasted over 60 years, and what a life it was. Nimrod very pleased with it. Let's get to exploring.
Starting point is 00:16:48 Yeah. Shrap on those boots soldier. We're marching down a time suck timeline. On July 21st, 1951, Robin, Mick Lauren Williams is born at St. Luke's Hospital in Chicago, Illinois. A child of English, Scottish, Welsh, Irish, French, and German ancestry. His father, Robert Fitzgerald Williams, was a senior executive in Ford Motor Company's Lincoln Mercury Division.
Starting point is 00:17:20 Bob was from the Midwest himself. He was a hard-working, meticulous, plain-spoken, practical man. He was a hard work in meticulous, plain spoken, practical man. He was not a manic improvisational genius. Towson out, witty historical and pop culture references sprinkled in with a lot of dick jokes. He was a war hero. I believe in the value of a hard day's work. He was not an overly emotional man. Was not known to dull out compliments to his young son easily, hardly ever actually.
Starting point is 00:17:40 Robyn's mother, Laurie McLoren, a former fashion model from Jackson, Mississippi, a great granddaughter, her former Mississippi governor. In many ways, the opposite of her husband. She was a lighthearted southerner, described as a free spirit and fanciful. She was like her son, with later crumb across as unpredictable. She gave her son Robyn a lot of tension, but like her husband, her affirmations were hard to come by, except when it came to laughter. She loved to laugh and Robyn loved to laugh and Robin loved to make her laugh to hear her laugh.
Starting point is 00:18:07 Robin saw himself as a perfect mixture between his two very different parents. He would say the craziness comes from my mother, the discipline comes from my dad. My dad has a lot of discipline too. You know, you have to have a lot of discipline if you want to get away with, you know, well, my dad's probably been, you know, getting away with for years. Where is he? Where is he right now? God, I wish I knew. If you don't get that reference, don't even worry about it. Just, just protect yourself, especially if you see my dad coming. Anyway, well, Robin's mother was a practitioner of Christian science.
Starting point is 00:18:35 Williams was raised in the Episcopal Church, his father belonged to Episcopalians, American Anglicans, American Anglicans. All the great taste of Catholicism, minus the Pope and priests are allowed to get their Dixac. The church condoned it, married blow jobs, that is, you know, from adults. Piscopalians branched out of the Church of England and America directly followed in the conclusion of the American Revolution there. Anglicans who just won't bend the need to the British crown.
Starting point is 00:18:58 I'll explain that a bit since we just talked about English royalty last week. A lot of the information about Robin's childhood and various sources comes from interviews Robin himself gave and his memory of his childhood, early childhood seems a little distorted. Like he often describes himself as an overweight child, but his mom would often bring out pictures of him to show him that he for sure was not. You would show interviewers. He also often called himself an only child, but that wasn't really true, kind of true, but not really true. Williams had two older half brothers that he accepted and loved as his brothers, but he didn't spend a lot of time with either them during his childhood.
Starting point is 00:19:31 So maybe just easier to say he was an only child in interviews and stuff. Robin also described himself as lonely and isolated as a kid, but he had had ample friends at every school he attended. Robin seemed to, in some ways, like a lot of people in showbiz played with his backstory a bit. Like a lot of storytellers. Now he just couldn't help himself when it came to tinking around with his own backstory a little bit. And also, you can, for sure, feel isolated and lonely despite being surrounded by so-called friends. Maybe Robin didn't really connect with a lot of the kids that, early in his life. Maybe they had a hard time keeping up with his intense and quick move and imagination. While he had a lot of casual friends,
Starting point is 00:20:04 not sure he had a lot of deep, you know, friendships, a lot of solid, meaningful friendships, his dad moved around too much for that during his formative years. And because this Robin was a new kid in class too often for his liking. I can relate to that a bit. I first went to two grade schools in Anchorage, Alaska,
Starting point is 00:20:19 you know, as a little kid, didn't keep any friends from the first one. I went to the second, didn't keep any ones from the second when I moved out of state. You know, so then I was a new kid and Riggins halfway to the third grade. I was born in Riggins, but I left so young I didn't have any friends I was returning to. Then I left Riggins to go to high school my freshman sophomore year in Las Vegas where I knew no one at school except literally a kid I'd met you know a few weeks before class started in my neighborhood. And then we didn't have any classes together. I had different lunch hours
Starting point is 00:20:44 that I moved back to Riggins my junior and senior year. You know said goodbye to my Vegas friends weeks before class started in my neighborhood. And then we didn't have any classes together, had different lunch hours. Then I moved back to Rickens, my junior and senior year, said goodbye to my Vegas friends forever. And while I did know, almost everyone in Rickens now, I'd been down to the loop for two years. The time moves fast when you're in high school. People had moved on. I ended up being a bit of an odd man out in some ways.
Starting point is 00:20:59 Then I went to college. None of my friends from high school went to the same college. Two kids from my class, but we weren't close. Started over again, completely rebuilt a social circle. And I think we're building a few different times. Definitely helped me build a sense of humor. I knew I could make people laugh when I was a little kid. And when I moved back to Reagan's in third grade, I figured out it could help give me friends.
Starting point is 00:21:17 I sense a humor knowing I could make people laugh for sure help me make friends in Vegas. And it college in Gonzaga. And I do wonder how much these moves helped Robin build his sense of humor. I imagine they helped a little bit. But of course, you know, not everyone needs to bounce around to become funny, but I do think it helps.
Starting point is 00:21:33 I find the very few comics come from like an affluent stable home where they never moved. We're able to form lengthy stable peer relationships. They did have a super stable childhood like that. You know, they were almost never de-att the attractive popular standout athlete type at least. Usually not always, but usually comedic skills come from not being the cool kid. I'm not having athletics, good looks to rely on to keep the bullies and low self-esteem inner voices at bay.
Starting point is 00:21:57 You know, it comes from like an insecurity of some kind. Robin certainly didn't have a shitty childhood, certainly not in the way so many subjects on the suck of hat. Robinyn later say it's the contradiction of what people say about comedy and pain. My childhood was really nice. It was nice on the surface. I don't think it was as quite as nice as he is stating here and I'll show that as we move along. A surface material wise, materialism wise, yeah, it was upper class nice. Move around a lot, but did move around and comfort. You know, he had very concerned, growing up like we all do, but money was not one of them.
Starting point is 00:22:31 Robin grew up in luxury and he knew it. You know, he even joked about it later in his act, acting in conversations, you know, acting out conversations with his parents where they would say things, yeah, or he would say things to them like, daddy, daddy, come upstairs, biffy and muffey on happy. We only have seven sevens. The other family's have 10. You know, he joke about it, but when he's pressed on the subject and interviews in a serious way, he did have a hard time admitting that his family was truly wealthy.
Starting point is 00:22:54 It almost kind of seemed like he was embarrassed by his privilege. So many stand up comments like myself, we do come from, you know, nothing or nothing, we do tend to wear that as a badge of honor, a lot of camaraderie amongst comics hanging out in clubs or in green rooms, whatever. Talking about shitty gigs you do early on for next to no money or no money or how poor we were growing up. The rich kid in my experience at least is a real rarity in stand up circles. John Malini, famous comic I worked with a few times early on.
Starting point is 00:23:20 We started on the same time. One of the few comics I've worked with who clearly came from a lot of money. Dad's a big corporate lawyer, mom's a noted professor, or at least was, that's very atypical in stand of circles. It shouldn't matter, but maybe it mattered to Robin. A comic who gave Robin one of his first breaks was Richard Prior. He's kind of like the quintessential comics comic dude grew up dirt fucking poor. Spend his early years in a brothel where his mom worked before banning him at the age of 10.
Starting point is 00:23:47 He was physically abused by his grandma who ran the place. He was sexually abused by customer, dropped out of school, ran away at the age of 14, rough childhood, and then used that kind of roughness to build a rough and very likable act. Another giant of standup when Williams was getting going is my favorite comic of all time, who had a odd childhood
Starting point is 00:24:06 Steph Cox curvy His his you might be a killer routines won him numerous You know incredibly popular HBO specials like 1981's grandpa daddies and sister mamas a theme show of jokes about Ted Bundy's childhood If you're grandpa daddy raise you to think your mama was your sister, you might be a killer. You know, jokes like that. And if you're a grandpa daddy, beat your grandma mama in front of your sister mama
Starting point is 00:24:34 and swung cats about to tell you while raising you, you might be a killer. You might be a Ted Bundy. He also released a special titled, Mother, Cats on Sticks and Winpipe fornication. They won a Grammy in 1975, you know, set in kind of a super fucked up dark parallel world. That's not real in our world, by the way, just in the suck first, if you're confused. For real now, I was joking there. Another giant of stand-up when Williams was getting going was
Starting point is 00:25:00 my favorite comic of all time, George Carlin, my real favorite comic of all time. And George grew up poor as well. Alcoholic dad split when he was just two months old, frequently ran away from home, got expelled from a few different schools. A background wise, Robin was the very rare comic who came from money. Robin's father Bob, actually known as Rob, had also come from a background of wealth and been taught the repeated lesson
Starting point is 00:25:21 that adversity can be overcome to labor and perseverance. William took that family work ethic and ran with it to stand up and film career. Robbie Bobby was born in 1906 into a well-to-do family in Evansville, Indiana. Home of Don Mattyne Lee, one of the greatest Yankees players of all time, one of the greatest players never to be enshrined in the baseball hall of fame. Sorry. His father Robert Ross Williams owns strip mines and lumber companies in Nevin'sville. Like Robin later, his grandfather, Robbie Bobby's dad would struggle with alcoholism and fidelity.
Starting point is 00:25:50 Well, he studied at prep school, Rob's father would go on what Rob and mom, Laurie, would later describe his periodic toots. Funny phrase in there. Taking a suite of the Blackstone hotel in Chicago where he'd grab a chorus girl or two and just quote, whoop it up. And sometimes it fell to his son, Rob, he was his young as 12 to travel the 300 miles north of Chicago with the family servant get his dad to silver up and bring him back home. That's probably not a fun part of his childhood.
Starting point is 00:26:15 Rob later enrolled in Kenyan College in Ohio, great school. And then when the stock market crash and you know, uh, 20th, I've heard about those, uh, wiped out the Williams family business. He had a quit school, come back to Evansville. Take a job as a junior engineer in the mines. A few years later, when Robert Senior became gravely ill, Rob unquestionally offered his own blood for transfusions until his father finally pulled a needle out of his own arm and told his son, I don't want you to do this anymore.
Starting point is 00:26:39 He'd done enough. And then he died a short time later. Wow. Robyn was not the only man in his family with a flare for the dramatic. I got it. Robin, his first wife, Susan Todd Lawrence had a son together in 1938. Robert Todd Williams, he'd go by Todd. Who's show up here in there in the time suck timeline today?
Starting point is 00:26:56 Just three years later, in 1941, Robin Susan separated. Susan took Todd to live with her and Kentucky. And then Rob wouldn't be around much for Todd's childhood. Rob and Laurie, you have Rob Williams parents. I got a lot of questions about them being good parents. Well, luck concerns about how good of parents they were or were not. Anyway, Rob was working for Ford as a plant manager when the US entered World War II,
Starting point is 00:27:19 he enlisted the Navy, eventually became a lieutenant commander on the USS Taikon, Deroga, aircraft commander on the USS Tycon, Deroga aircraft carrier on the Pacific on January 21st, 1945, while at sea near the Philippines, the, the, to Condoroga came under fire from Japanese kamikaze pilots. And one of these suicidal pilots crashed his zero, his fighter plane through the carrier's flight deck, managed to detonate a bomb and it's hanger destroying several stowed planes. More than a hundred sailors were killed or injured in the attack. Rob himself was wounded.
Starting point is 00:27:45 When, according to Family Law, he leapt in front of his captain to protect him from the explosion and took shrapnel in his back legs and arms. Holy shit. Leapt in front of his captain, which you can tell you whether or not he got a medal for that, but I can't, I can't figure it out. It doesn't come up in his obituary. An interviews Rob gave about his dad or in the main source we use for this episode. The comprehensive biography on Rob Williams just called Robin by Dave Ittskov.
Starting point is 00:28:09 Due to injuries received in this explosion, Rob could not be redeployed in combat. So now he took a government desk job back in Washington, DC. Soon he would return to work at Ford, gain a new management position, quickly ascending up the corporate ladder all the way to national sales director for the company's Lincoln Mercury division in Chicago. It was there in 1949 that Rob would meet his future. Second wife, Laurie McClure and Janine. A blind double date at an upscale restaurant. Laurie McClure.
Starting point is 00:28:35 I kind of glossed over the first thing. What the fuck? Who came up with that name? We're to have almost the exact same name is the first name, you know, in middle name, but with a Mick thrown in front of the second one, isn't it? I'd say if I was like, Danny McDaniel, please to meet you. It can only be better for last name was like, Lauren Tin, something else similar to Laura, or Lori.
Starting point is 00:28:55 Lori McClure and Lauren Tin, nice to meet you and yes, my parents are fucking insane. Lori was born in 1922 in Jackson, Mississippi, raised in New Orleans, grown up immersed in the city's indulgent culture, lively parties thrown by our folks. What a wild and probably super fun childhood. Heart goes out to everyone in New Orleans right now,
Starting point is 00:29:12 by the way, dealing with the aftermath of Hurricane Ida. Thank God the levy held and the flooding was not severe and there was not a lot of structural damage, but man, having your power out for weeks, possibly up to a month in certain neighborhoods, that's gonna fuck your month up. I've known a few people who've grown up in an Orleans proper and a lot of them have stories
Starting point is 00:29:30 of getting into bars real young. Sometimes like as little kids, with their parents, listening to live music, being a part of the party and the spills over from parades like Marty Grah, party in real young, just very much a lively carpe diem kind of town. I love it.
Starting point is 00:29:44 Seems to breed some fun, loving people. And Lori, before she passed in 2001, she sure seemed like she was fun. Maybe not the best mom in some ways, but fun. In other ways, I'll get into that later. Her parents married mildly scandalous in the largely Catholic city. She grew up in her father was Catholic.
Starting point is 00:30:01 Her mom was Protestant. How sinful. A couple separated by the time Lori was five years old, divorced soon after that, leaving her to live with a scandalized and someone ostracized mom. The McClure and family was descended from the McClure and clan of Scotland. And Lori's great grandfather, Anne-Selm Joseph McClure, and served as a captain in the Confederate army during the Civil War, later elected US Senator, and governor of Mississippi. Lori was essentially cut off from this aristocratic heritage when her mom remarried 1929.
Starting point is 00:30:28 Her new husband, Robert Forrest Smith, another Bob, another Rob Bob. Didn't have the same pedigree. Didn't care about some version of American blue blood. He adopted Laurie and he nicknamed her punky, a nickname that stuck, and one that she didn't like much as a kid. She said later, doors that would have been opened to Laurie McLauren Jennin were slamshut to
Starting point is 00:30:48 punky Smith. She would later take ownership of that nickname and ask her friends to call her punky as an adult. She's not wrong about how a name can kind of change your, you know, how life is going to treat you. You know, people definitely make assumptions based on names. Think about how many names I've made fun of here. If for whatever reason, I would have went by, you know, the nicknames of the kid or something, Buggermick Weasel instead of Dan Cummins. I'm gonna have a different life.
Starting point is 00:31:14 Buggermick Weasel and Dan Cummins lead different lives. I've been in different place today. I probably wouldn't have my kids. My ex-wife, for sure, a go-getter. She's not gonna go on a date with Buggermick Weasel. My wife, Lindsay, she wouldn't have taken a chance on booger. Booger doesn't host a podcast. Senator primarily around learn of something new and trying to be decent person. I hope that comes through
Starting point is 00:31:32 the dick jokes and the dark humor. A booger host of podcasts, if he does host of podcasts, it would be called like ball sweat or uh or dingle berries and and jello shots you know you all well they're doing a lot of shots i mean i was book or make we'll and today we're going to talk about skate skate a ball local rapper the ourselves be jerky on a side of highway sixty one
Starting point is 00:31:57 next to the ryan stones and don't get a miss club skis kid skis kid that's good you know that's that's book orroom, McWeasel's podcast. Probably went a little further than I needed to illustrate how people are gonna make different assumptions about, you know, different names. Lori versus punky there.
Starting point is 00:32:13 I kind of want to listen to Dingo Barriers and Jellys shots now. That was really fun. I was sad that I ended. Bougroom McWeasel! It's the Wee-Zo to McWeasel Squeezel! Bougroom McSK! Get out of here! That's kind of fun to do. McQueen's, oh, it's the weasel, the McQueen's, the squeeze, the squeeze, the squeeze, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, we cannot drink. Lori said there were people in the family who rose to great heights and then boom, just like that. It was from alcohol.
Starting point is 00:32:48 If you can't handle it, just stay away from it. It's poison for our family. Rob will find out later that it was poison for him as well. When the great depression nearly wiped out the wealth of Robert Smith that led to more than a decade of wandering for Lori's family, they spent a time shifting back and forth between New Orleans and Crowley, Louisiana, small town, Just over 10,000 people, about 25 miles west of Lafayette. The one pointer stepfather considered running an ice cream business. And for the first time in my life, she said, we didn't have a servant.
Starting point is 00:33:14 I thought that was the end. Oh, oh my. They don't have a servant. It's the end of things. On her late teens, punky moved to the 5,000-own of past christian mississippi basically an outer suburb of the gold port beluxe e-mectro area and then back to new orlands in nineteen forty one lorry took up residence in bortie house uh... while her parents went on to mobile alabama
Starting point is 00:33:34 for a time she performed as an actress in the french quarter robin's uh... later four-year into the entertainment world was not breaking new ground inside of his immediate family as a start of world war two uh... she's working for the weather bureau in New Orleans. When the Pentagon inquired if she spoke French fluently, she lied. She's a bit of a character. And then she was transferred to an office in Georgetown in Washington, D.C.,
Starting point is 00:33:55 she met a young naval officer named William Musgrave, who were married shortly before he shipped out to the South Pacific. Now known as Lori McLaureen Musgrave, Punky Musgrave. She spent part of the war living in San Francisco taking lethography classes, a style of printing, crossing past with the likes of Franklin Lloyd Wright and Henry Miller. When the war ended and Billy Musgrave returned home,
Starting point is 00:34:13 sounds like a lot like Musgrave. Billy Musgrave, this is my wife, punky. I feel like they would be guests on the Buddha Equizial Power Dance. I can't remember the name, what was it? A Dingo Barrier's Angelic Shots, would be guests on the murder equation power cans. Uh, I can't remember the name. It wasn't what was a dingleberry and yellow shots.
Starting point is 00:34:29 And that was very important to get that right. Um, so yes, so the war ends. Billy Musgrave returns to him. The couple lives briefly in San Diego. The moves to Chicago where he finds work as an electrical engineer in 1947. Lori gives birth to their son Lauren. Mick Lauren Musgrave, who'd be later known as McClauren, what the fuck?
Starting point is 00:34:47 She had a neighbor son after her. That's, I think it's weird. Uh, it's weird when just either sex-apparent does it, especially when you have a name, I don't know. Lauren McClauren Musgrave, that's... That's, ah, whatever. In his infancy, he developed pneumonia. Lori later said she was fearful of the effects that a worse than Chicago winter might have on the child. She sent the baby, McClauren, to live with her mother and stepfather and mobile. And then Lori and William separated and divorced soon after and then her mom and stepdad raised her and Billy's kid.
Starting point is 00:35:14 Huh. I don't love this. Okay, he had pneumonia. I mean, that is scary, but you know, he recovered from that and recovered when I stand fairly quickly. And then she just didn't bring him back. you know, Chicago's too cold for a baby. That's like the most ridiculous rationalizing just abandoning a child. Maybe I've ever heard. Uh, Lori, this is uncomfortable for me to say, but did you abandon your baby? No, how dare you.
Starting point is 00:35:36 I just knew that there was no way a baby could survive a Chicago winter and then cut to a scene of a whole bunch of fucking moms pushing their babies around Chicago's Lincoln Park in the dead of winter. A punky believes she married too young. Now she's on her own. Two years later, she's working as a model for Marshall Fields Flagship Department store on State Street downtown Chicago. She meets Rob Williams.
Starting point is 00:35:55 That store is now the big flagship Macy's on State Street. If you're in the Chicago area, punky was smitten by him so deeply that she bought him an engagement ring and she proposed that they get married, which is very atypical over the time. Hey, I love Savannah. I bet that engagement ring was accompanied by some super hot sex. And of course, they did get married. June 3rd, 1950, the two were wed by justice of the peace in Omaha, Nebraska, and then they took their honeymoon at a fishing lodge in Hayward, Wisconsin.
Starting point is 00:36:22 She was not a big fisherman, fisherman, fisherman woman. Hayward, not a, not a place a lot of people think of when they think of honeymoon. It's a roughly 2000 person town about 1500 people at that time. Not even on the coast lakes appear. It does have a little lake, Hayward Lake, and it's center of town. And it's home to the freshwater fishing hall of fame. Not a resort town. It's a fishing town known for big muskies pike wall ice smallmouth bass It's the birthplace of J.R. Salisman champion log roller It's a cool town if you love log rolling hunting fishing other outdoor activities
Starting point is 00:36:56 Not exactly a romantic town After the honeymoon according to family legend punky told Rob that was a lausiest honeymoon. I've ever had love it Interesting that both Rob and mom and his dad both had a kid with someone else in a previous marriage and then just didn't seem to make any effort at all into trying to help raise them. That's going to come up quite a few more times this time. The newlyweds moving to an apartment now in Chicago's north side and on July 21st, 1951, Laurie bought, excuse me, Laurie, Laurie bought, Laurie brought important distinction here. Robin McLean Williams from the world. She loves throwing fucking McLean in all the kids. Robin was a
Starting point is 00:37:31 healthy baby and seemingly always happy. Punky helped raise him when he was little. Livin nurse named Susie or she had help raise him when he was little. Livin nurse named Susie according to Robin wouldn't put up with anything, wouldn't take it. Very strong force. She helped raise, you know, Robin. She rolled out for Robin's birth, the family moved from Chicago to a rented house in Lake Forest, an affluent suburb, about 30 miles north of the city. They were moving on up. I love that button.
Starting point is 00:37:57 I wish I had that button just out in the world, just out in life. You know, you're just, for whatever reason, you have like a gray mental day, then you can just like, hit that, and we're moving on up. And you're just like, oh, I just got a little pep in your step. Okay, okay. All right, I'm going now. Robin was a mom of his boys, young lad. He felt his mom was, who first drove him towards comedy.
Starting point is 00:38:21 He loved to make her laugh. He said, I tried to find things to make her laugh, doing voices or anything that would get a response out of her. His first impression was of his grandma, which his mom loved. He knew his relationship with his mom helped establish his relationship with a comedic performance,
Starting point is 00:38:36 saying, what drives you to perform is the need for that primal connection. My mother was funny with me and I started to be charming and funny for her. I learned that by being entertaining, you can make a connection with another person. Interesting. I don't know if I ever thought of comedy that way,
Starting point is 00:38:48 of my way of making a connection, but yeah, yeah, okay, I can see that's a part of it. You know, you wanna be heard. Sometimes I do feel like I communicate more honestly and effectively through stand up that I do in regular life. I don't know if that's true or not, but feel the way sometimes. Sometimes I feel like I have a hard time getting my thoughts
Starting point is 00:39:02 together, with stand up, I have the opportunity to share those thoughts after really, you know, thinking about them for quite some time and then they're not interrupted or derailed, usually. As for his father, Rob was not easily amused by Robin. I get that. My mom is not always appreciated my sense of humor. Rob and his father was a stern, but ethical figure gave him nicknames of reverence like
Starting point is 00:39:22 Lord Posh or simply the Poshah. Although he never used those names to his father's face, Robin may have gotten his legendary memory from Papa Williams. His dad was said to be able to scan a room and remember what everyone had been doing and even could remember everything that he heard them say later. Todd Robinson older brother spoke of their father's mind. It all went in and it stayed there. He never forgot anything. Anybody told him unless selectively he did so. Todd knew of one of the person who shared that ability is half brother Robin. He said that Robin could be in a room full of people where there are 10 conversations going on.
Starting point is 00:39:54 He'll be talking to you, focused on you, but everything around him goes into that file. And I do remember hearing legendary stories about Robin Williams memory. The first few years I did stand up how he could supposedly read a script once and have all of his lines locked into his head. Sure stories are, you know, we're exaggerated, but there were a lot of stories. Tales of his legendary memory even tied into accusations that he stole other comics jokes.
Starting point is 00:40:14 His defenders will sometimes say that he just remembered everything he heard. Sometimes when, you know, improvising on stage and working through some stream of consciousness rant, you know, he just recalled jokes that he just overheard somewhere that he didn't even necessarily remember where they came from and they come out but he wasn't intentionally trying to rip them off, you know, he just forgot where he heard it. I would buy that that's entirely possible with a mind like he had.
Starting point is 00:40:35 And I'll look further into that at the end of the episode by the way, more deeply into these accusations of joke thievery. Sadly, and one of the things that upset Rob in the most was his memory failing with his LBD He suddenly could remember his lines that you know really bothered him sure it did She's growing up Todd worried that his brother's memory would drive him into a loony bin that he would just have too much in his head Robin and his dad rob weren't exactly close growing up one semi consistent Bonnie moment for the father and son was watching The snitcho with jack par with frequent guest deadpan comedian Jonathan winters whenever he would appear young robin will be allowed to stay up late and watch the episode with his dad and I let the big
Starting point is 00:41:12 impression on young robin. In the first winter as appearance that robin would later remember winters came strolling on the par stage dressed in a pith helmet declared himself a great white hunter. I hunt mostly squirrels he said how do How do you do that, par-ass? Winters replied, "'I aim for their little nuts.'" He deadpent. Funny when he does it.
Starting point is 00:41:31 It was a special time for Robin to laugh along with his father. My dad was a sweet man, but not an easy laugh, Robin explained. Seeing my father laugh like that made me think, who is this guy? What's he on? Jonathan Winters was for sure a big influence on Robin's later stand- as well as Danny K. A comedian built his having a million voices.
Starting point is 00:41:47 Wenders was the main influence of pioneer and improvisational stand up. It was a gifted impressionist who could shift in and out of various personalities quickly, seemed to have endless, boundless energy. That would be said about Williams later. Jack Parr famously said of Wenders. If you would ask me, the funniest 25 people I've ever known,'d say here they are Jonathan winters. I fucking love that. Williams and credit winters as being his mentor and the two would actually get to work together on more commandy later. And Robyn's mind winters was a master comedian who could make any
Starting point is 00:42:16 stage his canvas needing nothing more than a microphone in his boundless ingenuity. He was performing comedic alchemy. Rob would later say. The world was his laboratory. At some point during Robin's single digit years, Robin's family would buy a stately home on Washington road and Lake forests, not far from Lake Michigan, in a big house in a neighborhood of fairly big houses that Jeff Hodgkin
Starting point is 00:42:36 won a Robin's school friends. The house was set back off a shared driveway from another road. So it was almost mysterious. You'd walk through the trees and get to his house and go, wow, you live here? In 1961, when Robin was 10, still living there, he was introduced to his two older half brothers,
Starting point is 00:42:53 fucking weird. He does not meet them for the first 10 years of his childhood. Why did that introduction take so long? His parents clearly had the money to visit their other children. What was going on here? The Papa bear and me right now, ah, having a real hard time, not feeling super judgy.
Starting point is 00:43:09 Feels like his folks abandoned their first kids. Todd was 23 years old at the time, lived in Chicago, he'd run away from home, or he had run away from home at 15. I was a dumb kid, Todd would later say, I played too much. It was Robin Recall, Todd, always extorted all my money.
Starting point is 00:43:22 He'd come into my room and say, he needed some beer money. And I'd say, oh gosh, yes, take it all. My mother would get furious because Todd would get into my piggy bank and walk out with $40 worth of pennies. Well, maybe Todd would have been a little more stable if dad wouldn't have abandoned him. And apparently, you know,
Starting point is 00:43:37 you know, just not not been around during the over one majority of his childhood. Dude stopped being a presence in his life when Todd was three, really didn't reconnect with Todd, then in real way for 20 years, yes, that's probably gonna have an adverse effect on someone's childhood. Meanwhile, McLoren, who again was punky's older son,
Starting point is 00:43:55 was still living in Alabama with punky's mom and dad, believing that they were his own parents. When punky would visit from time to time, they let him think that she was his cousin. However, when McLoren turned 13 or maybe 14 they shared a startling truth with him. He later said they tell me that my very beautiful and drop dead gorgeous cousin punky is not my cousin. She's their daughter and my mother what the fuck. I'm in a real hard time not getting judge again.
Starting point is 00:44:20 Telling the kid who was the baby she gave away because Chicago was too cold, essentially. I know it was a little more complicated than that, but not much. She was his cousin. I mean, if I'm going to make fun of Ted Bundy's family for doing something very similar, I have to make fun of Robin Williams family too. It just seems super fucked up, especially when again, they had plenty of money. Had plenty of it for over a decade at this point. Come on. McLoren can now decide whether he wished to live up north, which is mom, Laurie and Rob and Robin or St. Alabama, let his grandparents adopt him. Rob invited him to spend time with the Williams family. All he decided what to do. McLean immediately took to young Robin. We were both very private solitary type individuals. He said, both
Starting point is 00:44:58 of us have this thing where we sometimes just like to be in our own heads. And he was very much that way. It was a wonderfully kind, gentle, sweet soul. I relate to this need to be alone, just being your own heads so much. The best part and the worst part of the pandemic, for me, was being around my family all the time. I love him. I love spending time with him, but I'd grown so accustomed to having a certain amount of time on the road to just be alone, get lost in my imagination, lost my own thoughts. You know, it'd be surrounded by strangers who didn't want to talk to me. And that's what I always did as a kid a lot too. I play by myself in the room around the yard, read a book,
Starting point is 00:45:27 work on Legos, create G.I. Joe battles, on this little dirt hill, behind the trailer, perfectly content, get lost, monimagination. And when, you know, I don't get a lot of that, I kind of short-circuit a bit. I get real cranky, don't feel myself, I feel like my batteries need to be recharged. Love hearing about that someone else, you know, who made a living performing,
Starting point is 00:45:45 someone who came across as such an extroverted person was actually similar. Now, McLean was also impressed with Robyn's vivid imagination, how he expressed it through his collection of toy soldiers. Despite the bond with Robyn, in the end, McLean would choose to stay in Alabama and have his grandparents adopt him.
Starting point is 00:46:00 I feel like this again, not the best endorsement of Punky and Rob, as warm and loving parents. At least when it came to their kids, not named Robin. I've spent a couple of days working on, you know, all those research. I just kind of came away with an evaluation of just like, regarding Rob's parents. Rob had intended public elementary school in Lake Forest at Gordon Elementary School and then middle school at Deer Path, junior high school. As a seventh grader, Deer Path, Rob had started using humor toward off bullies. I started telling jokes and seventh grade
Starting point is 00:46:27 is a way to keep from getting the shit kicked out of me said. There. Late 1963, when Williams was 12, his dad, who was still bounding up the Ford corporate ladder was transferred to Detroit. The family bought a big house in another affluent suburb at about 20 miles north of Detroit called Bloomfield Hills.
Starting point is 00:46:43 It lived in a 40 room farmhouse on 20 acres. God dang. Holy shit, this probably meant it was so large at a castle like name, Stony Croft. Robyn spent a lot of time at home and his parents, I'm sorry, he would spend a lot of time at home without his parents. As his parents Robin, punk, he would travel off
Starting point is 00:47:02 and for work or for leisure and they would leave Robin behind. I didn't realize how lonely Robin had been punk. He would say many years later, but I had to be with Rob. I didn't trust him. Come on, don't be stupid, but Robin suffered and I didn't realize that. He had some very lonely years. You think you're being a wonderful mother, but maybe you aren't. Yeah, I'm going to say you weren't being a wonderful mother punk.
Starting point is 00:47:21 Her rationalization of leaving her son at home with some type of nanny I'm guessing to spend time with her husband because, you know, come on, don't be stupid. I couldn't trust him. You can fuck somebody else if I, you know, let him travel alone. Come on. I feel like that's a rationalization for being a shitty parent on par with, wait, I had to give up my baby. And then having him raised by his grandparents who then think I'm his cousin. I mean, come on Chicago winters, they're so cold for a baby. That's official now. Now I've moved from men to like, I just don't like punky or Rob.
Starting point is 00:47:51 It just doesn't seem like they should have kids. Robyn would later say he didn't have any friends in the neighborhood because there were not other kids in the neighborhood, but he would find other ways to entertain himself. He said, my imagination was my friend, my companion, who was in the giant third floor attic of the massive Stonycroft estate, where Rob Robin will be left alone to wage massive battles between his
Starting point is 00:48:08 collection of toy soldiers, each with their own voices. Oh my God, it did the same thing with my GI Joe's. They weren't plastic toys either, but you know, the more expensive metal ones. My world, he said, was bounded by thousands of toy soldiers with whom I would play out World War II battles. I had a whole pans or division, 150 tanks, and a board, 10 feet by 3 feet, but I covered with sand for Guadalcanal. Fuckin' love it. Ten-year-old me just got very excited about that scenario. What is it about toy soldiers that make so many little boys so excited to play with them?
Starting point is 00:48:35 Is it instinctual? Because our ancestors waged so many wars, is it in our blood? That still sounds cold to me. I'm not jealous of what sounded to be like or seems to be a fair amount of neglect, but the attic part of his childhood sounds awesome. The attic was also Robyn's private rehearsal space, where he'd mimic the routines of his favorite comedians after recording their sets on TV with his tape recorder. He started their jokes, also their timing, tempo, cadence, and inflection. That's awesome. I did not do anything like that growing up, other than with Eddie Murphy's Delirious.
Starting point is 00:49:04 That was the only routine I memorized. Go to Google. George Carlin became my favorite later on the grownup. Eddie Murphy was the only comic that I cared about as a kid. To Robin Comedy was like a science. It could be studied, tested, perfected. The ultimate goal was to guarantee laugh.
Starting point is 00:49:19 He was an excellent student. He was a good student at the elite private Detroit Country Day School he now went to, founded in 1914. and this school is still around and the whole least shit is it's a wee bit spending tuition is just under 26,000 a year for great schoolers 32,000 a year for middle schoolers and a little over 34,000 a year for high schoolers. Then there's the cost of uniforms, field trips, athletic fees, books, supplies, etc. Not sure if foods included for a non-boarding school. It's about as expensive as it gets. I can't find any high school in Michigan that costs,
Starting point is 00:49:48 or at least in Michigan. I can't find any high school in Michigan that costs more per year that doesn't also provide boarding. Court and events, current president of the screen actor's guild and an award-winning actor who won an Emmy for his portrayal of Johnny Cochran in the FX critically acclaimed series The People versus O.J. Simpson, another crime story or American crime story amongst many other roles in TV film and Broadway. He went to the
Starting point is 00:50:09 school. So did Steve Balmer, former longtime CEO of Microsoft, current owner of the Clippers, Seaman Knudsen, former president of Ford Motor Company, a variety of senators, supreme court judges, NBA all stars, NFL and NHl-n-h-l players uh... senator went to the school schools no fucking joke scott c-liquman founder of sterling bank and trust part owner of the san fiscal giants was one of robins classmate definitely speaks to the level of affluence you grew up in and around and i wonder what kind of burden being around that uh... class of student places
Starting point is 00:50:40 on some people right i honestly feel so lucky in many ways to have gone to seminary high school, you know, back in Reagan's, my junior and senior year. Plenty of kids from Reagan's do find success, but generally, it's a more normal, attainable level of success, like becoming a doctor, huge, big deal,
Starting point is 00:50:56 for a kid from Reagan's becoming a lawyer, big deal, jet-fetched, two grades above me, became prosecutor for Beaver County, Montana, we're all very excited for him. Ryan Shaw, my classmate, buddy of mine from school, went to West Point, now as a college professor down in Arizona, huge deal. Very proud of him. Right?
Starting point is 00:51:12 Everyone in town is becoming a nurse or a teacher joining the military, getting a good steady job at a sawmill or metal fabrication shop, making a living as a river guide or contractor, all big deals. You want a pizza shop, you hold down, fucking any job that allows you to buy a home, any home. At some point in your life and you're fucking crushing it. But if you went to the Detroit country day school and you end up working as a bank teller or grocery store cashier, totally solid jobs, not often pay a good wage, have great benefits. You have to fight feeling like a loser because your former classmates are not just working
Starting point is 00:51:39 at fortune 500 companies. They're fucking running them. They're not just lawyers. They're sitting on the Supreme Court. I am not envious of that kind of pressure. I guess you just try and make your peace with it. Learn not to measure your success by anyone else's. Hard to do sometimes, but I do think that's the best mindset for happy life. Anyway, this Uber Elite Detroit Country Day school,
Starting point is 00:51:59 such a pedestrian name for such a fancy school. Robin War uniform, the consisted of sports coats, sweaters, ties, slacks, and the school's navy and gold colors. All his classmates were boys. He found the classes to be much more rigorous than his schools back in Illinois. It was a school designed to prepare students for prestigious, prestigious, that's probably how they say it there, prestigious colleges and for grooming future leaders. Robin even started to carry a briefcase classes hilarious. I've never carried a briefcase anywhere unless I was joking. I once carried a briefcase full of fake cocaine around downtown Spokane when I was about 22.
Starting point is 00:52:33 Buddy, buddy and me, we dressed up in our job interview suits for like, trying to get jobs after college. And we wandered in and out of office buildings pretending to snort coke. In the bathrooms and talking loudly about mergers, acquisitions, profits, liabilities. We had numerous security guards ask us to leave. It was a great day. We'll have to get in and throw it out of various businesses and laugh it until we cried. Totally forgot. We did that until the briefcase detail triggered that memory.
Starting point is 00:52:55 I feel like a young Robin Williams would have definitely joined us and had a great time and probably brought some real Coke to you up the ante. Despite how hard his new school was, Robin Excel and his schoolwork was a solid athlete, a footballer, a trifer, about a week. Didn't stick with that, but he did excel in soccer and wrestling, especially when wrestling, he was a talented young wrestler went undefeated his freshman year, he loved the sport,
Starting point is 00:53:16 relished the opportunity to take out your aggressions on somebody your own size. When you reach the Michigan State finals, he was pitted against some kid from upstate Michigan, who as Robin put it, looked like he was 23 and bolding. Robin would dislocate his shoulder during this match and give up his wrestling dreams. Okay, I get it. I thought I was going to be some kind of Taekwondo master after just taking Taekwondo for
Starting point is 00:53:37 three months. Then some kid, 30 pounds lighter than me, six inches shorter. I kicked him in the face, fractured my cheekbone and I was like, yeah, well, maybe not. Maybe I'm going to retire early. Maybe not going to be the next Bruce Lee. Maybe don't have cat-like reflexes. While attending the post school, Robin would insert levity in daily lunchroom speeches. Students were required to give by thrown in one-liners here and there. He loved the response he got. Most of the teachers were amused as well. This worked for him until one day he decided to try to polish joke, which is school's Polish American assistant headmaster did not care for.
Starting point is 00:54:07 He was asked to lay off the jokes. Hey, wait a minute. So you weren't even supposed to make derogatory stereotypical Polish jokes back in the mid 60s. Ah, awkward. I am way behind the times. Uh, Joe, please go back and whitewash all the Polish jokes from the back catalog. This joint take several weeks.
Starting point is 00:54:26 During this time, Robin attended several bar mitzvahs a year, made some of his first Jewish friends, which would also influence him greatly. My friends made me an honorary Jew. He said later, I used to tell people I went to services at Temple Beth Dublin. It's a very Robin Williams joke here. Let's bump up now to 1967. Robin is now 16. Robin's father, who impressively was
Starting point is 00:54:45 paying for this lifestyle, had only a high school diploma. He was consistently going toe-to-toe with younger MBAs who wanted the job and he's getting sick of it. He parted ways with the company 1967. At the age of 61, took a pension. Robin would later characterize his father's departure from Ford as a forced early retirement. The arrangement according to punky did not allow her husband to collect the full benefits he would have received if he would have stayed on a few years longer. Guessing they still made out okay though. In early 1968, Robin Flourishin during his junior year, he's on the honor roll. He served on its prefect board, was elected to student council, was even voted class president
Starting point is 00:55:19 for his upcoming senior year. He was excited about his future, about the possibility of attending an Ivy League school, but Papa Williams was ready to move again. And apparently he just couldn't wait 15 months or so to let the one kid he didn't abandon finish high school. What the fuck? So selfish Rob wanted to go to Florida. But punky then convinced him to move the family to Tiburon, California, the San Francisco Bay area, where he accepted a big, big job at first national bank, so much for that retirement, so much for just not waiting, you know, 15 or so months. Maybe he couldn't get a job, he wanted locally, I
Starting point is 00:55:52 don't know. Maybe my gut is right and he's kind of a piece of shit. And it didn't even occur to him, he should put his kid's kid first. So Robin now, not going to be student, you know, our class president is senior year, you know, so that sucks. And, you know, or class president. It's senior year. You know, so that sucks. And, you know, he has to move again, leave all his friends right before he's finished in high school, go to a new school, leave the identity he just made for himself, you know, be the new kid once again,
Starting point is 00:56:15 man, move it in high school sucks. I looked out and moved back to where I'd gone to, you know, junior high between software and junior year. But moving to a new high school across the country where you know no one that's fucked up. I know sometimes it's unavoidable like military moves and stuff, but this isn't that. This is somebody who had plenty of money, could have just waited a little bit or he could
Starting point is 00:56:36 have moved to Teberon and punk he could have stayed behind with Robin for 15 months or could have flown back and forth or they had plenty of money. They could have hired a fucking nanny of some sort to just stay with him while he finished his school and could graduate there. Robin hated it. He hated moving. Each time he arrived at a new city, a new school, he felt awkward on display. I was always a new boy he once said, and that makes you different. Before we make the jump to California, the pace of our story is going to pick up there. Let's take a quick sponsor break. And now we're back, the spring of 1968. Robin is preparing to spend the end of his junior year in a new state where he knows no
Starting point is 00:57:13 one because his dad's a prick. Tiburon, very prosperous peninsula town in Marin County, California, says on the northern side of the Golden Gate Bridge, reaching south into San Francisco Bay. It's places gorgeous, it's a stupid affluent. Watch the travel vlog, video showcase, you can tip around just to get the pronunciation right, and then that I've watched the whole fucking video and wanted to move there.
Starting point is 00:57:32 Very pretty seaside community. 2006 made a Forbes list for ranking number 18 in the most expensive real estate markets in the US. Brand not gonna move there. The median income for a family there is 149,000, almost twice the national average of 79,900. It has only around 10,000 residents, only 6,000 when the Williams family moved there,
Starting point is 00:57:51 but all the amenities of a larger size city, including its own film festival, ample upscale restaurants, shopping, wine tasting, vineyards, I mean, it's just outside San Francisco. You can see the Golden Gate Bridge, from Debron, the San Francisco skyline, downtown skyline, a 15 minute drive into San Francisco. You can see the Golden Gate Bridge from Debron, the San Francisco skyline, downtown skyline, a 15 minute drive into San Francisco, or if you have a boat, you know, only seven or eight miles, it's about a 20 minute ferry ride. One of the most expensive
Starting point is 00:58:13 and exclusive places to live in the notoriously expensive San Francisco area was a Mediterranean like climate, sloping hills, lots of waterfront access, again, very scenic. Along with these duties for First National Bank, Rob started a management consultant business and I'm using myself with fishing trips. He bought a couple of Monterey Clipper fishing boats that he loved. Punky began attending services
Starting point is 00:58:34 at the local Christian science church seemed to fit into the new community well. Robyn had a harder time adjusting. He went from a conservative town to an incredibly liberal area where it seemed like everything was permissible. Once again, here in the suck, we have made it to the Bay Area during the counterculture revolution of the late 1960s.
Starting point is 00:58:51 It's not intentional. We just keep ending up. It's just what Luciferina wants. She wants us here. It probably would have been easier for me to move to Mexico, Robin later said. I had total culture shock. It was a red, it was at Redwood High School where that culture shock would be the most obvious. Detroit County Country Day School, Redwood High School, as different
Starting point is 00:59:10 as they got. Redwood was a public school, still affluent and well-funded, but public school, and it was co-ed, which Robert, you know, stoked about, of course. He did not make a great first impression on his classmates there. He went to school dressed like he did back at his private school of Michigan. You know, like a nice, nice business attire in the briefcase, and that did not go over well. His new classmates mocked him on day one, you know, called him, you know, various versions of fucking nerd. One declared he was creating negative energy.
Starting point is 00:59:37 Oh my God. In the 1960s in the Bay Area, someone, you know, showed a given him a heads up, told him to trade the briefcase in for a dime bag, maybe trading his stuff he closed for Led Zeppelin concerti, some faded blue jeans. Real quick, Robin learned to loosen up, start wearing jeans and someone changed his life
Starting point is 00:59:52 forever by giving him his first Hawaiian shirt. If he came known for wearing those for much of his career. Once he settled in, he said, I was gone. I got into a whole wild phase and I learned totally let go. You know, he didn't want to move to california california turned him into the free spirited wild man that would make him famous he continued to play sports playing for redwoods varsity socrates and run across country but also
Starting point is 01:00:14 started to do the bay area thing and experiment with drugs you guys like the devils lettuce not a carol has been called merely as a character witness well and Nitor Carol has been called merely as a character witness. Well, then all of those you didn't know to your own knowledge that the defendant was using Malawala, did you notice any changes that would lead you to believe as an educator, that he was under some severe mental strain which might possibly have been induced by some drug? Yes, I recall distinctly a few weeks ago.
Starting point is 01:00:45 It was during a class of English literature. Yes. There was a serious discussion of Shakespeare's Romeo and Juliet. Uh-huh. When he suddenly burst into an uncontrollable fit of hysterical laugh. Oh, God. By the way, the Piccaro, six months ago, what would it have been your opinion regarding the character of my client?
Starting point is 01:01:03 It was a fine- upstanding American boy. Yes. A good scholar, a good athlete. Yes. And representative of the caliber of young men, we are proud to be away from our school. God, but then we got him. He was a fine, upstanding young man, but then the devil's lettuce. God, but now he's been tried for murder. Oh, thanks to marijuana.
Starting point is 01:01:26 I was a team from the classic 1936 anti marijuana propaganda film Refa Madness. It's classically despite his marijuana abuse. Robin found himself once again in the honor roll started to do a bit of acting, performing the school's satirical farewell play. By the time he graduated in the spring of 1969 at the end of the peace and love decade, he was voted most likely not to succeed. And funniest by his classmates. Well, they got one of those right on the summer of 69 summer of 69. Oh, yeah. Brian Adams just came in ahead of nowhere. Apparently I can't say summer of 69 without hearing that
Starting point is 01:02:02 song. Robbins have further Todd's back in his life again. Todd recently been discharged from the Air Force, where he spent four years bouncing around post in Greenland, Panama, Oklahoma, Mississippi. After the military, he then worked as a soil engineer in Ohio. And now he came to California because it's probably not fun to be a soil engineer in Ohio. He became a proprietor of bars and restaurants, but I'm more fun. I drank Todd explained and having to saloon was the easiest way to handle that. There.
Starting point is 01:02:28 Robin would help Todd fix up a San Francisco night spot called Mother Fletters for minimum wage. Mother Fletters. That sounds fun. $1.65 an hour at the time. Robin also spent part of the summer after his high school graduation working at the Trident. This place sounds like a lot of fun. Restaurant and music club in Sassalito.
Starting point is 01:02:43 Oh, Sassalito. Lito. Oh, Sosolito! Lito! Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, group that helped launch the folk revival of late 50s to late 60s. They have all sorts of number one records. Not necessarily for me, but that's fine. You know, I don't have to like everybody. Here's a little taste of one of their many, many songs. These guys put out a preposterous amount of albums. Literally count in 60 or it's not 60, 40, but still 40 albums of Wikipedia. This is a song called The Greenback Dollar. greenback dollar
Starting point is 01:03:46 Oh, it's a dead pumpkin Halloween you guys oh No, uh, that's dead pumpkins by the insane clown posse That's not even close to the right song. I don't know. I don't know what maybe want to play that song, but something did I Don't get it. I mean, I know I know I know they've been very successful the ICP I know I I know we have some fans some some jugalos. I Don't get it. I just don't get it This is the Kingston trio is the greenback dollar The only things that I understand. The only things that I understand. Great harmonizers.
Starting point is 01:04:31 For folk trio, they took a pretty strange hippie new age hooters approach to the restaurant business. They're restaurant had a uniquely Californian menu of organic food with esoteric names. Robyn said the waitress is, quote, wore spray on two piece macramé outfits. It looked like a pair of socks. It was like, Sonja, you're nipples hanging out. And she'd say, I know, I'm trying to get tips. Oh, the Bay Area, 1969, you fucking kid me.
Starting point is 01:04:53 What a time to be young and single, holy shit. The fall of 1969, Robyn left the Bay Area, headed south, began his freshman year at Claremont Men's College, on the eastern edge of Los Angeles, Los Angeles County, near Ontario, where he planned to study to become a foreign service officer. Foreign service officer, I'm just saying this because I didn't know. The US currently employs about 8,000 of them. Is the commission member of the US Foreign Service, they work at like foreign embassies, consulates, work with foreign economic agencies, on economic issues, foreign policy, work with American citizens
Starting point is 01:05:24 overseas, helping with the doptials or evacuating them from disaster, the dual sorts of shit overseas. Mostly working at embassies or consulates or on other diplomatic missions. So he wanted to see the world. He was thinking about it. This was an occupation that Robin felt neatly split the difference between his desire to do something exotic and his father's insistence that he choose a respectable profession. Claremont was a school whose students were expected to follow traditional white collar career paths.
Starting point is 01:05:48 Anybody that went to Claremont was expected to go into business or law or politics said dick gale. Oh, dick gale, that's a solid name. Oh, it's windy day. It's a windy day. It's a dick in the air. Dick gale. It was two years ahead of Robin.
Starting point is 01:06:03 That was the main thrust of Claremont's men's college. He said you were expected to take that shit seriously. Do something with it. If you weren't political science or an econ major, somehow you were missing the boat. Robin was seen as someone who did not really fit in at Claremont. He just needed to go there, though, to figure out what he wanted to do, partially by learning what he didn't want to do. It was this weird catharsis you'd later say of Claremont, total freedom, like going from Singsing to a Gassalton nudist camp. Everything opened up. The whole world just changed in that one year. While the Claremont, Robin played soccer, lived at Burger Hall. The residents of this hall called
Starting point is 01:06:32 themselves sons of Burger, SLBs. He also was reintroduced to his former middle school girlfriend, Kristy Platte, who now was a sophomore at nearby Ficer College. So small world. They met Chicago, now reconnected East of LA. They started to date again, also Robin was dating several other girls on campus at the same time. It was a college campus in California in 1969 and 1970, monogamy, not trending for those of that age at that time. He later explained, I had one or two steady girlfriends in high school, but then in college it was three, four. I went crazy. I went and pointed out three separate girlfriends running around mad. Let's make love in a car. Women he said were amazing creatures. You can never learn enough. They're addicted in the most amazing sense. Hail,
Starting point is 01:07:13 Luciferina. They are pretty addicted. That I got one who always keeps me on my toes. While at Claremont, Robin took a theater class where he said after my first day, I was hooked. I'm pretty surprised you hadn't taken any, you know, theater classes before this. He had done some high school productions, I believe, but not actual classes. He took what happened to be an improv class that was headed up by a talented woman named Dale Morse, who trained some of the leaders in improv comedy during the 60s, including being a member of a fairly well known, known improv group called the committee and a San Francisco spin-off of Chicago's second city.
Starting point is 01:07:48 Eventually, Morris told her students that it was not enough to take her class as an academic exercise. They had to form a company of their own, start performing for audiences. So Robin, an 18 of his classmates, created a group known as Karma Pie. His first comedy trip, twice a week they they perform on campus. This is the beginning of the rob in the world would soon come to know. We'd stand in line in the back. And if you had an idea, you would step out and start or maybe you try to save the other actor, Bob Davis, a friend in fellow performer said, and made for such a, made for such a camaraderie
Starting point is 01:08:19 because you were out on stage with absolutely nothing to help you except the other person. It's high risk theater. We weren't necessarily like other companies, where it's all about finding a funny bit and then repeating that funny bit. We might go for 20 minutes, all unified around a question from the audience or some kind of theme. We disdained being funny in a high tone way.
Starting point is 01:08:37 We're doing art here. Okay. They as fellow performers all knew that Robin was doing something special. He was doing art and being very funny. He stood out in a way that was undeniable because this became a bit of a celebrity around school. When he and his girlfriend, Chrisy Platt,
Starting point is 01:08:50 would go to parties, he said, people would just start clapping when we came in. It definitely wasn't because of me. He just had charisma and an original, sensey humor. It's fucking awesome. Okay, so his motor mouth charm could be too much for some. I get it.
Starting point is 01:09:02 When he came to my dorm, people went a little nuts, Platt said. said they'd go can we get him to be quiet I just have a blanket that I put over his head to tell him to be quiet and of course he was completely irrepressible and that didn't work at all Robin began to work outside of Karma pie by performing the campus productions of under milkwood Playing the blind sailor captain cat and Dylan Thomas is drama about a fictional Welsh Fishing town and Alice Wonderland playing a hookah smoke and caterpillar. Also chose to be part of a comedy event that some of his upper-classmen had been creating. He was so good the leaders of the group started to throw challenges at him.
Starting point is 01:09:33 One of their favorites was to see if there was any character he couldn't play at the drop of a hat. We started challenging him said Al Dober, one of the organizers, Doohimian Priest, Dooh and Orthodox Rabi. Rabi. Dooh, peasant, out on the farm with his crops do an orthodox rabbi rabbi, do a peasant out on the farm with his crops. Robin came through every time he said, you couldn't keep up with his mind, it was going so fast,
Starting point is 01:09:51 he was going off on all these tangents. On the evening of February 21st, 1970, the trio put on was officially billed as an evening with Al Dober, co-starred Dick Gale and Rob Williams. It's a free show at McKenna Auditorium. Things were going great for Robin. He found his voice and a passion, you know, that he could dedicate countless hours to. But for the first time in his life,
Starting point is 01:10:12 he stopped carrying about his schoolwork and his grades slipped. The point of him flunking out on some classes. He would later say that his final paper in a macroeconomics course had only one sentence that said, I really don't know, sir. I love that so much. You just knew that macro economics was not for him
Starting point is 01:10:27 and sabotaged any possibility of pursuing a real degree there. Poppa Williams didn't fucking care for this. When he saw that F, he refused to give Robin any more tuition money. After just one year, Robin comes back now to live back at home in Teberron. So his classmates, the move is very abrupt, he was just gone. Quickly afterwards, the legend emerged
Starting point is 01:10:44 that Robin was actually kicked out of school for driving a golf cart to the dining hall. That does not seem to be true. So now what? Well, the Vietnam War was raging. Robin was coming to the, coming to the age of being drafted, but his draft number was 356, a very unlikely number to be called. So he felt safe. He would later say, the Viet Cong had to be coming from Kansas for me to be drafted.
Starting point is 01:11:08 Robbins dad was also candid about his experience in war with his son and urged him not to volunteer for the military. Robbins did not want to enlist. He wanted to act. He told his parents about this dream. Robbins would tell his father's response to this declaration many times in his life. Popoleum simply said, find to have a dream, but you better learn a skill like welding just in case.
Starting point is 01:11:24 It's actually more supportive. I expected his dad to be. Robin indeed was encouraged to learn to weld. He gave it a shot, and his welding apprenticeship lasted two whole days. He was warned that if safety precautions were not followed, a welder could go blind. And Robin didn't feel like that was worth the risk. So he just didn't go back. His mom was much more supportive of the act in idea than his dad was. Ponki not quite a shitty mom at this time. Maybe she's better with adult kids. back. His mom was much more supportive of the act and idea than his dad was. Ponki not quite a shitty mom at this time. Maybe she's better with adult kids, better late than ever, I guess. Robin moved back home now, studied it. Yeah, like I said, studied it near by public community college, called the college of
Starting point is 01:11:55 Marin near Tiburon and Kentfield, California, the Mariners. The drama program in his new school was very new established 1964, but it was starting to get attention and was actually getting compared to San Francisco's American Conservatory Theater. His director was a man named James Dunn, not the golden era big Hollywood film actor, James Dunn. This James Dunn was a Marine Corps veteran
Starting point is 01:12:18 who was a drill instructor during the Korean War. Despite his penchant for discipline, including making his students march and salute, he was also a playful man, known for taking classic texts and turning them into comedies. Maybe it's a little bit of inspiration for Robbins' role later in Dead Poets Society. Robyn loved the discipline, recognizing he needed some and he quickly became a star there. He started to get his earliest reviews from daily independent journal based at a San Rafael. They were almost all glowing for him, even other reviews of the plays weren't always great.
Starting point is 01:12:45 1971, Robin was among the college of Marin students invited to perform Dunn's Western style production of the Taming of the Shrew at the Edinburgh Fringe Festival in Scotland, build as the world's largest art festival. Their performance, one of first prize, they were asked to play a command performance for Princess Margaret, sister of Queen Elizabeth the second Princess Margaret so pleased she asked Queen Elizabeth to give Robin a special diamond from her general jewelry collection
Starting point is 01:13:12 Robin would wear a royal bracelet or penis bracelet for the rest of his life Call back the last week if you're so confused right now Also bracelets not a thing at least by not by that name, but you can buy penis bracelets on Etsy. Other places didn't know that. They have quite a selection of cock bracelets on Etsy. Not even kidding. It's the anniversary gift. You didn't know you needed it.
Starting point is 01:13:33 Robin got a lot of local recognition in 1972 when he was cast as a member or as the master pick pocket, Fagan in the college's Christmas time production of Oliver. The crowd loved it, and the story goes when done. At last got home at 2 a.m. he woke up as wife to tell her, I saw a young man do something tonight I've never seen before. This kid is going to go somewhere. Robin was now more hooked on acting than ever.
Starting point is 01:13:55 In the review of Oliver, the daily independent journal wrote, The big star of the evening is Robin Williams as an unforgettable fagin. It's a real tour to force performance. It's been a great pleasure over the past year to walk this young collegiate and develop his talents into such a professional status. After nearly three years, the college of Marin, a school from which most students move on after two years, Robin is now craving further instruction and Dunne has a pathway in
Starting point is 01:14:16 mind for lives. Some summers earlier, Dunne had befriended John Houseman, the distinguished British American actor, collaborator of Orson Wells, now in charge of the newly established drama division of the prestigious Juliard School of New York. It was this very same year that housemen actually would win the Academy Award for best supporting actor in the film Paper Chase. And it does recommendation,
Starting point is 01:14:37 Robin performed an audition for housemen and two colleagues from the Juliard faculty, Michael Con and Elizabeth Smith. They evaluated candidates in San Francisco in 1973. Robin now 22 also broke, reaches out to his parents, his father reluctantly gives him 50 bucks so he can take part in this tryout. A voice and speech teacher recalled Robin's tryout is somewhat clumsy but also irresistible. They said, I remember thinking he didn't speak very well by that I mean sort of carelessly,
Starting point is 01:15:04 but he certainly had a personality. He seemed funny and very bright He was accepted into juliard that fall with a full-ride scholarship I love that he chose to go to juliard and learn more about acting at 22 as opposed to zip it down to LA to become a Star to become famous. Oh, he took his craft seriously. He didn't just want to be famous He wanted to be good. I respect the shit out of that approach. Had he not gotten that full right scholarship, he wouldn't have been able to attend Juilliard. His dad was not going to pay his son's tuition.
Starting point is 01:15:32 Not for acting school, not for a fake school. According to Robin, his parents didn't help financially at all with Juilliard. What a couple of assholes. Juilliard is arguably the best performing arts school in the world. And they couldn't support him because it wasn't the proper job that daddy wanted.
Starting point is 01:15:47 Robin may have been born into a lot of money, but his parents shared and used that money to support his performance career. He seems to have done most that on his own. 1973, it's off to New York City for 22 year old Robin. What a welcome to New York he had during his first week in Manhattan, he's riding a public bus. A few rows ahead of him, he sees a man slump over
Starting point is 01:16:03 under the woman that man was sitting next to, get off me She shouts as you change your seats. Turns out the dude was dead. Driver stopped the bus, told everyone to exit the vehicle, robbing a happy to help kid from the West Coast. Said he wanted to stay and help out. Apparently the driver told him, quote, he's dead, motherfucker. Now get off. You can't, you can't do shit for him. So take your raggedy California ass and get out of my bus God, I hope that happened exactly as Robin remembered it William was part of the Julliard schools group six from 1973 to 1976 They've had so many good actors come out of the school Val Kilmer
Starting point is 01:16:43 Doc Amiel Huckleberry holiday from tombstone would be a part of group 10 at Julliard some years later One of so many successful actors to go there. Robin was one of just 20 students accepted into the freshman class, one of only two accepted by John Houseman into an advanced program. The other was Christopher Reef. I don't know if you remember that name. Christopher became famous first for playing Superman in 1978 and the film of the same name and then played Superman in his three sequels. Holy shit, I love me some Christopher Reeves, a small child. You should try and imitate him by wearing a towel as a cape, a bobby pin holding it around my neck,
Starting point is 01:17:10 I'd imitate flying by, you know, flying by throwing myself on a coffee tables, trying to slide down these coffee tables. It was Superman and the great American hero. Those were my dudes. Tragically Christopher Reeves later became mostly known for breaking his neck after getting thrown from a horse in an equestrian competition in 1995 and becoming paralyzed from the shoulders
Starting point is 01:17:28 down at the age of just 43. Back in 1973, the 21-year-old Harrive became close friends with Rod Williams, took a lot of classes with him. William Hurt, Mandy Pattonkin, also some classmates, classmates. Hurt would later win an Oscar for Best Actor for Kiss the Spider Woman. Hurt's been nominated for four Academy Awards. He plays General Thaddeus E. Thunderbolt Ross in the Marvel Cinematic Universe and Mandy Pattenkins. He's been in all sorts of stuff. He played one of my favorite film characters of all time in Nigu Montoya and Rob Reiner's
Starting point is 01:18:00 1997 Cold Classic the Princess Bride. God, that's one of my fucking favorite scenes ever. 1997 cold classic the princess bride. God, that's one of my fucking favorite scenes ever. My name is Enigio Montoya. You killed my father. Prepare to die. My name is Enigio Montoya. You killed my father. Prepare to die. Stop saying that. So good. So many good rules. I've been played by Julliard Gretz. Williams also started with future sitcom superstar Kelsey Grammar. by Juliard Gretz. Williams also started with future sitcom superstar Kelsey Grammer. I started off in cheers. Got his own sitcom later. He was roommates with Franklin Seals, who's best known as Dexter Stuffins from the sitcom Silver Spoons. It would be Christopher Reeve that would become one of Robin's closest friends during his career there. I'd never seen so much energy contained in one person, Reeve said.
Starting point is 01:18:40 He was like an untied balloon that had been inflated and immediately released. I watched an oz. He virtually, uh, Carammed off of the walls of the classrooms and hallways to say that he was on would be a major understatement. Oh, man. Williams and Reeve had a class in dialects taught by Eda Skinner of Voice Consultant of the Stars, who was one of the world's leading voice and speech teachers. And according to Reeve, Skinner was bewildered by Williams, who could instantly perform in a variety of accents, Scottish, Irish, English, Russian, Italian, whatever. By now, Williams and Reeve called each other brother.
Starting point is 01:19:11 They would sit together during cheap wine, talk for hours into the night. I picture Robin, probably doing most of the talking. Many of our classmates related to Robin by doing bits with him attempting to keep pace with his antics, Reeve said later. I didn't even try. Occasionally, Robin would need to switch off and have a serious conversation with someone and I was always ready to listen.
Starting point is 01:19:28 Their primary acting teacher was Michael Khan, who was equally baffled by this human dynamo. Khan actually wasn't a big Williams fan. He criticized his antics as simple standup comedy. No boy, he didn't think Williams was pseudo for the school's advanced, more sophisticated training. I hate this attitude some theater types have towards stand up. That stand up is less than this. It's the dirty little brother of comedic acting, you know, people who
Starting point is 01:19:53 feel that a gifted comedic act all is slumming it somehow. I'll have to end up doing stand up. I tend in an improv workshop in Los Angeles, Gary Austin, the founder, original director of the ground, ground means when I was just barely getting in a standup, like no more than a year in. Flew down from Spokane for a two day intensive, a weekend workshop. And he tried talking me out of standup. Right, it talked me into pursuing sketch comedy
Starting point is 01:20:14 because he felt the world of standup humor was based, crude and simple, that the energy was dark and he fucking nailed it. But I love the honesty of this dark little world of men. So fucking, an addition to Michael Conn who would end up in the American theater hall of fame, uh, fucking nailed it. But I love the honesty of the Stark Little World of Mint. So fucking, uh, in addition to Michael Conn, who would end up in the American theater hall of fame, actually, he was honored there by Queen Elizabeth. The second, she kept coming up again in this one. For his work producing Shakespeare plays, there were several other Juilliard staff members who felt Robin didn't fit in. Refusing Queen Elizabeth again, uh, does lead pretty, pretty, uh, smoothly into one more sponsor for this episode.
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Starting point is 01:22:05 God saves the queen and long live the crown jewels, jewelers. That advertisement kinda makes sense, right? Maybe listen to the last week's act. Okay, back to Julliard. Ah, silliness. Back to Julliard, he Williams told acting, you know, by actor professor Michael Conn and others that, you know, he didn't really fit the mold of the classical actor. They perfect.
Starting point is 01:22:31 Soon after hearing this and the later production Williams with silence, many of his theater critics with a well-received performance as an old man in Night of the iguana, the Night of the iguana, by Tennessee Williams. He simply was the old man's, wrote, Reave Later. I was astonished by his work and very grateful that Fate had thrown us together. During the summers 1974, 1975, in 1976 Williams returned home to California, worked as a
Starting point is 01:22:52 buster back at the Trident in Sosalito, probably enjoying working with those scantily clad waitresses again. Also, did a lot of running. He was part of New York City's West Side YMCA runners club showed promising results with a 34-21 minute, you know, time at a 10 K run in Central Park in 1975. He was also broke. His parents were serious about not helping him. Robyn didn't have much money. He was often borrowing cash from his friends. He even found himself relying on the kindness of the school's faculty. There are many stories of Juilliard staff, including teachers and even the janitor taking pity on Robin, letting him sleep on couches,
Starting point is 01:23:27 the drama theater, bringing him food to eat. Mom and dad really not gonna make his attempt at making it as an actor easy for him. And to earn it, I don't know, maybe they were right to do this. And who knows, it is such a rough business. I mean, if you're gonna make it into thick skin, you need to show some grit and tenacity, that doesn't come from having someone, I guess, you know, always touch the money when you're down. I don't know. Robin was poor but happy. His active sex life seemed to help him in that regard. His roommates got mad at him for having loud sex on a bed not separated by walls that reach the ceilings I guess fairly regularly. Hailos Daphina. In the summer of 1974 Williams, buddy Christopher Reeves, his cast and the popular CBS soap opera Love of Life. He a given permission to take leave from the school, Robin is pumped for his handsome friend.
Starting point is 01:24:08 This role will lead to other roles. We'll set Reeve on a path to start him and he'll never return to complete his Juilliard training. Meanwhile, Robin falls in love with the woman he'd met who like him and recently moved to New York from California. Though he never gave her name publicly, he described her as a free spirit who thought nothing about walking through tough neighborhoods wearing white lace counts. I told her that she kept it up, she'd get killed and she said, no, my aura will defend me.
Starting point is 01:24:30 I'm not sure life works that way, but you know, whatever. She sounds fun. Maybe not stable, but fun. I'm gonna guess she was responsible for some of those sex sounds, as roommates hurt. I have a feeling that the my aura will defend me, was wild and bet in the summer of 1975 Between Robin's second third years at joy yard, but he was pretty pretty interesting the bedroom as well He has new powerful aura having girlfriend returning to California Would love a fair became more passionate but then Robin when he returned to New York now that fall she didn't come back with him And their separation brought him down. I really miss my lady friend that I began running up a $400 a month telephone bill At the time us having trouble just making the rent Operation brought him down. I really miss my lady friend that I began running up a $400 a month telephone bill. At the time, I was having trouble just making the rent.
Starting point is 01:25:07 He said, the tension of a long distance romance, romance was such a drain. Ah, young, sexually fueled love, so intoxicated. Robin left Juilliard during his junior year in February of 1976 when he was 24. At the suggestion of Houseman, who as the legend goes, said there was nothing more Juilliard could teach him. Gerald Friedman, another one of his teachers at Julliards, said that Williams was a genius,
Starting point is 01:25:28 and that the school's conservative and classical style of training just didn't suit him. No one was surprised when he left. It was yet another endeavor that left him without a degree, but at least he knew where he wanted to be and what he wanted to do now. He wanted to be back in the San Francisco Bay Area, working as a stand-up comic. He began performing stand-up comedy in the San Francisco Bay Area working as a stand-up comic. He began performing stand-up comedy in the San Francisco Bay Area in March of 1976. I love this. He gave his first performance at a place
Starting point is 01:25:50 called the Holy City Zoo. A place where the guy who'd gotten a full ride to Juillard started working as a bartender. Back to the bottom. Shoes. Shoes doesn't often care what your academic transcripts say. It's a humbling business. The Holy City Zoo was located at 408 Clement Street between fifth and sixth avenues in San
Starting point is 01:26:08 Francisco's Richmond District. I've been through San Francisco many times doing shows, but almost always doing shows in the Embarcadero. Never where this club was. Holy City Zoo was a tiny dark cavern, maximum occupancy of just 78 people. Primarily had folk music performances until the late 70s sold a beer, wine, soft drinks or the small stage set against the back wall. A few stairs stage left led to a small balcony known as the John Wilkes booth. The Holy City Zoo
Starting point is 01:26:36 called itself the comedian's clubhouse. Man, I bet that place was fucking fun in the 70s. So many late night parties, so many laughs, You know, so much pure like a live like there's no tomorrow joy. Probably quite a bit of cocaine. Hale named Rod and Lucifer and I bet her presence was felt pretty strong there. Robin used Holy City Zoo such a great name also as his own private rehearsal space. Little spots sounds like an amazing place to figure out your voice as a comic and really work out a lot of material. Robin quickly was able to pack the small house, even on a Tuesday, open mic night.
Starting point is 01:27:05 He started to build his legends outside the walls of acting academia. Bay Area Entertainment critic Gerald Bachman wrote, in the 1960s San Francisco was a center for rock music renaissance, hippies, drugs, and a sexual revolution. And in the late 70s, Williams helped lead its comedy renaissance.
Starting point is 01:27:22 Man, so many stand up giants, get going in San Francisco or at least spend a significant amount amount of time there early on. Many of them at the Holy City Zoo, like A Whitney Brown, playing Capacch, Dana Carvey, Margaret Cho, Will Durst, Ellen DeGeneres, Bobcat Goldway, Dana Gould, Jake Johansson, Patton Oswald, Laurie Kill Martin, Mark Marin, Aisha Tyler, the amazing Jonathan, Larry Bubbles, Brown and on and on. William says he found out about drugs and happiness during this period.
Starting point is 01:27:50 At it, he also saw the best brains of my time turn to mud, too much drugs. All good things in moderation, especially drugs. Drugs can play so much rougher with some than others. I'm all for legalizing them, but also for advocating that you know, you probably should maybe not do a lot of them. They get along with me, but they don't get along with a lot of other people. And some get along with me. I'm not gonna if I can go crazy, I'm a mess or have one or something. 1976 Williams star really began to rise when he was named a finalist in the first international open stand-up comedy competition.
Starting point is 01:28:17 He'll do Joe Nabrigas showcase a nightclub in San Francisco. The competition became known later as the San Francisco International Comedy Competition. And it would run every year from 1976 until COVID shut it down in 2020. Williams took runner up in 1976 to Bill Farley, poor Bill. He later retired from stand up, haunted by, you know, beating Robin Williams. That was basically his main claim to fame. Is it how did this guy beat Rob Williams for a bastard. SNL Wayne's world, Dana Carvey would win the competition the next year in 1977. Will Durst would win in 1973. I would open up for him at punchline in San Francisco over
Starting point is 01:28:54 20 years later. Jake Johansson won in 1996. I opened up for him in Tampa, the Tampa improv about 20 years later. Man, has some great times drinking and getting goofy with him that weekend. Carlos Alasrocki, Reno 9-1- 1, he won a 1993 open up for him in Omaha a little over 10 years later. Also had a blast during and after the shows. Mark Marin took second that year. Pat and Oswald took fifth. Doug Stanhope, one of my favorite comics, one of 1995. Dane Cook was the runner up that year. David Crowe, the first comic to take me along on the road as an opener. He won a 1996 and on and on and on. I've worked with a ton of past winners. I competed in 2003. Didn't quite make the finals after finishing as the runner
Starting point is 01:29:33 up and the competition sister competition, the Seattle international comedy competition 2002 Rob Pugh won San Francisco the year I competed. Great dude. Funny guy. Still touring up in Canada. John Fox, the promoter for all these years, love to proclaim that this competition launched the career of Robin Williams. And I guess it really did help him. With some buzz and extra confidence,
Starting point is 01:29:55 I always thought John was full of shit in a lot of ways. I always thought he was full of shit about this. But okay, fair. With some buzz and extra confidence, going for him after winning this competition, Williams moves to LA 1977, starts performing at a lot of standup clubs clubs there, including the world-famous comedy store.
Starting point is 01:30:09 Even in a scene nurturing notable comics at the time like David Letterman and E. Kaufman, Jay Leno, Richard Lewis, Sam Kinnison, Elaine Boosler, Tom Dresden, or Driesen, George Miller, Williams stood out. His unique style made a huge impression on many of his peers and a lot of decision makers in the industry he seemed to be on the present back then was a topic of discussion wherever he went said uh... author humorous and comedy historian
Starting point is 01:30:33 maro marco he was a tough act for other comedians to follow akin to a comedy cyclone uh... in his act he was it ego and super ego all the same time she said nineteen seventy seven while performing in l.a. he he was seen by TV producer George Schlaetler. Schlaetler, there we go, who asked him to appear on a revival of the show Laughin. The show aired in late 1977, Williams debut TV appearance.
Starting point is 01:30:58 First film role, credited Rob Williams, is a small part in the 1977 low budget comedy, can I do it till I need glasses? Guess and you have not heard of this. I hadn't. This is August of 1977. This had a budget of $750,000. Regardless of the world's admiration for Robin, it has a 17% approval rating on Rotten Tomatoes. At the time, Variety called it a juvenile unfunny screen version of some of the oldest and worst sex jokes in comedy history. So, you know, they didn't love it. Linda Gross of the LA Times wrote the film was
Starting point is 01:31:30 LAMELY directed and had something that will insult almost everyone. Williams' Bay just 150 bucks to appear in two sketches for this film, quote unquote, it was really more like a poorly written sexually charged episode of Saturday Night Live. More than it was a movie. And the sketch's Williams was and didn't even make the original cut of the film. Here's one of them. This is very short.
Starting point is 01:31:54 It's about 30 seconds. Sound quality's not the best, but it's hopefully list and a bull. He's wearing a bandana wrapped under his jaw and around the top of his head when this scene opens up. The sketch. He's playing a country bumpkin who has a bad toothache. He's waiting in front of the office of a doctor with a large mold of a tooth hanging above the office door.
Starting point is 01:32:11 So William's assumed the man as a dentist. I'm a gynecologist. A gynecologist. What you got that big tooth outside your office for? Schmuck, what'd you expect me to hang up there? That's when you know a joke is a killer joke, right? When you have to have a slide whistle. Remind people where the punchline is. Remind people where the punchline is BEEP BEEP HA HA HA HA HA
Starting point is 01:32:45 HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA
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Starting point is 01:33:00 HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA But after Williams became a star on the hit TV show more can many I can't get over that slide whistle Which a little button to do that during my stand-up shows
Starting point is 01:33:12 Just after jokes But after Williams became a star on the hit TV show more can many the next year produce from Mike Callie spent two weeks in December 1978 sorting through deleted footage. He finds he lost way Romulim scenes edit some back in the movie re-releases the film and gives Robin Williams top billing in December 1978. Sorting through deleted footage, he finds these lost William scenes, edits them back in the movie, re-releases the film, and gives Robin Williams top billing. The other sketch he's in is about that long. It's ridiculous.
Starting point is 01:33:33 Pretty smart when it comes to making money, but that was, you know, pretty shady. Williams and his management team took legal action against Callie and the film distributor for fall, semi-sleding advertising, and they got them to stop implying that Williams was the star of the film.
Starting point is 01:33:46 1970 great year for Williams. It would just turn 26. Job started to pour in for the for netically funny man, including being cast on NBC's The Richard Prior Show. Check it out. Check it out. If you have the time, Robin punky baby boys pulling it off on September 13th, 1977. The first of only four episodes of the Richard Pryor show will air.
Starting point is 01:34:06 It was an interesting choice to have a man who made a living as one of the most profane and controversial comics in stand up history to have him on TV in the middle of family hour, man, prior, easily a Mount Rush more comic, one of the best three or four to ever do it. Women must have been pumped to be cast alongside arguably the most famous, most respected comic in the late 70s the cast of prior show included of course prior and Williams plus Paul Mooney sanderburnhardt him read John witherspoon
Starting point is 01:34:34 Vic Dunlop John witherspoon of Friday fame by the way Eddie McClarick Marshall Warfield from night court Some of the skits were just way too ahead of their time. Each episode cost controversy. One skit showed prior nude, but with his genitals missing like a kendall. People didn't care for that, I guess. Another one had him blowing away a bunch of white people with the machine gun. You know, people didn't care about that. You know, some people ranked only 86 out of 104 shows total on TV for the 1977, 1978 season. There's just too much for too many. Despite only a four show or episode run, being cast on the show was still a big break for Williams. And then he would get a much bigger break, right? Afterwards, huge break.
Starting point is 01:35:12 He is cast by Gary Marshall, a very famous producer known for creating Happy Days and it's been off and so many other shows. As the alien Morgan in 1978 episode of Happy Days called My Favorite Orchan, sought after as a last minute cast replacement for the party actor, Wings impressed the big wig producer with his quirky sense of humor when he sat on his head
Starting point is 01:35:31 when asked to take a seat for the audition. As Mork Wings improvised much of his dialogue in physical comedy, speaking in a high nasal voice, the cast and crew as well as a TV network executive deeply impressed with his performance. On February 28th, 1978, the episode of Happy Days airs, people fucking shit themselves over Robin's performance. It was as they say, the talk of the town, it started risen, it would never fall back down.
Starting point is 01:35:56 Mork's appearance was so popular with viewers, it quickly led to a spin-off TV show, Mork and Mindy, co-starring Pam Dobber, ran from 1978 to 1982. The whole world was soon seen Nanonano and Shazbat. The show was written around Robbins Extreme, Improvisations, his dialogue and behavior, very much his show. And then he even got to have his mentor, Jonathan Winters, play the role of Murth, the child of Morgan Mindy, because of all confisiology, all kindscons age backwards, starting with elderly adult bodies, but with the mind of a child and regressing two feeble old kids.
Starting point is 01:36:29 Although he portrayed the same characters in Happy Days, the series was set in the present in Boulder, Colorado instead of the late 50s in Milwaukee, Morgan Mindy was a fucking hit. At his peak had a weekly audience of about 30 million, was credited with turning Williams into a superstar. It's so many viewers. At average over 15 million viewers, you you know each episode for its ninety one
Starting point is 01:36:47 episode run that's like big bang theory level of your ship which i believe is the most popular sick come up this entry uh... hard to find uh... you know a conclusive list regarding that according to critic james uh... the fucking who cares
Starting point is 01:37:01 james crazy ass last name that that is never set out loud anywhere in the internet the series was especially popular among young people His Williams became a man and a child buoyant rubber faced Uh an endless gusher of innovation He quickly became a household name. This is so nuts in the fall of 1976 All right, he's working as a bartender and a tiny comedy club in San Francisco That he wins his big comedy competition moves to LA in a tiny comedy club in San Francisco, that he wins his big comedy competition, moves to LA,
Starting point is 01:37:25 gets on an episode of Happy Days as a replacement, last minute replacement in early 1978, year and a half after winning this competition. People guest star on shit all the time and it does fuck off for their careers. I have known so many comics over the years who have broken into acting, you know, it's so hard to get cast in anything,
Starting point is 01:37:40 there's so much competition and then they will get cast as a guest star on some show or even as a series regular, sometimes it's one of the leads and it still doesn't do anything for the career. No one gives a shit. Not only do they not get a spin-off series, they don't get any extra standup work, no extra social media followers, nothing, to get a guest star role and get a bunch of buzz is crazy. To have it lead to your own series in the same calendar year is unbelievable.
Starting point is 01:38:04 To have it lead to a series in the same calendar year is unbelievable To have it lead to a series written specifically for your special talents and have that series become a massive hit That's like when in the lottery then using your lottery winnings to buy more lottery tickets Never was I was a fuck you do is cra- and then you hit a bigger lottery Then you reinvest all that lottery money again and more tickets and hit a fucking even bigger lottery the powerball millions whatever it's crazy 1978 such a big year for Robin. He also marries his first wife, Valerie Valardi, on June 4th. They'd met back in San Francisco in 76 when he was working as a bartender at Holy City Zoo. She recalled
Starting point is 01:38:34 he was bartending. He had a French accent, of course he did. Offered me a drink, chatted me up and was absolutely delightful. And they would have a bit of an open marriage, at least for Robin it was. Valerie recently said, Robin loved women, absolutely loved women, and I got it. I understood, and I wanted him to have that, but I also wanted him to come home.
Starting point is 01:38:54 Well, all right. Okay, Valerie born the same year as Robin, and born and raised in Connecticut. Eldest child of five siblings, her parents got divorced while she was only 12 12 she lived with her father Which left their oldest you know sister to work and take care of them to eventually become an actress she debuted with her movie Rapa Rapa Sini in 1966 when she was just 15
Starting point is 01:39:19 She didn't appear in a lot of stuff and it appears she gave up acting shortly into her and Rob is relationship 1979 first year of total world domination for Robin he wins wins a Grammy for Best Comedy Album. For the recording of his 1979, he stand up show with a Coca-Cola bandna called Reality, what a concept. Also in 1979, nominated for a primetime Emmy for lead actor in a comedy series for Morgan Mindy. Although he didn't win, he lost a Carol O'Connor for his role as Archie Bunky, fucking phenomenal,
Starting point is 01:39:40 all in the family. He would win his first Golden Globe for Best TV Actor in Morgan Mindy. Dude, it's crushing it. I wonder if his dad still asking him about welding. More becomes so popular becomes a merchandise machine. His face is now found on posters, coloring books, lunch boxes, all sorts of shitties everywhere, every grocery store, every department store on TV every week. Talk of the stand up world. He appears in the March 12, 1979 cover time magazine when he's only 27. All right, took him a few years to figure out what stand up was what he wanted to pursue. But then once he was done with school and did pursue it, holy shit, that his career take
Starting point is 01:40:11 off quick. Williams also appears in the cover of Rolling Stone, August 23, 1979. Time and Rolling Stone in the same year. As the success comes in, like many others in the Coke-fuel Coke fueled era Williams begins to live in the fast lane Especially as he becomes more successful. Coke. Coke. Coke You can practically see the powder falling out of his nose in some early 80s videos of stand-up shows early 80s though who wasn't doing lots of blow early 1980 he begins filming his first starring role in the kids comedy pop-eye
Starting point is 01:40:42 Directed by Robert Altman co-starring Shelley Duval. She's been an a ton of stuff. I mostly know her from playing Jack Nicholson's wife in the Stephen King, horror classic, The Shining. December 6, 1980, the film is released. It grosses $6 million on its opening weekend in the US. It makes 32 million after that, and just 32 days. Overall, it doubles its budget. It makes almost 50 million in the US, 60 million worldwide. It makes a lot of money. However, in the industry, it's 50 million US $60 million worldwide. It makes a lot of money, however, in the industry it's seen as a bit of a disappointment. It wasn't the blockbuster that Paramount did not hope for. They got mixed reviews, but famous critics, Gene Ciscal, Robert Ebert, Ciscal Ebert,
Starting point is 01:41:16 right, both gave it 3 out of 5 out of 4 stars. Vincent Canby of the New York Times called it a thoroughly charming, immensely appealing mess of a movie, often high-spirited and witty, occasionally pretentious and flat, sometimes robustly funny and frequently unintelligible. It is in short a very mixed bag. Despite being thought of as a flop by some, it was a profitable flop, and the film still propelled Robyn's career forward,
Starting point is 01:41:38 as no one blamed his performance for less than expected financial outcome. Robyn's wife, Valerie Valardi, also appeared in this film, her final acting role. Around this time, Robin becomes a casual friend of John Belushi, the Blues brother, comedy legend, star of Animal House, guitar smasher, Samurai, a Belushi two years older than Robin.
Starting point is 01:41:58 And when the hard living SNL star died on March 5th, 1992 from a drug overdose, old speedballs, a crushed robin, helped inspire him to quit drugs and alcohol. Williams quit to cold turkey, except for white wine randomly. And then took to cycling to help alleviate his depression shortly after Belushi's death.
Starting point is 01:42:14 According to bicycle shop owner Tony Tom, Williams said, cycling saved my life. Also in 1992, 31 year old William stars as a leading character in the world according to Garpe. Co-stars John Lithgow, Glenn Close nominated for best actor in supporting role and best actress in supporting role as a 55th Academy Awards for this movie critics again mixed, but generally positive.
Starting point is 01:42:35 It did just under 30 million in the box office. It's a budget 17 million. So, you know, didn't didn't live up to expectations again, but made a nice profit. Another big year in 1983, the birth of his son Zachary Pym Zach Williams, April 11th, 1983, and Zach's dad is busy between 83 and 86 Robin, when not working on stand-up comedy is in five more movies, some real bad, some real good. 1983 is the survivors, only 9% rating on Rotten Tomatoes, maybe not the best. 1984's Moscow on the Hudson, though, Moscow on the Hudson, Rotten Tomatoes score of 86%.
Starting point is 01:43:07 Getting more and more chances to be the lead in films, still hasn't had the big blockbuster, many expected from him, that will come soon though. His star continues to rise in 86 thanks to his many roles and his flourishing stand-up comedy career. On March 24th, 1986, he co-hosted 58th Academy Awards with Alan Alda, Jane Fonda, and of course, he seals the show. And you know, over 37 million people watch over quarter of American TV's tuned in, fucking nuts. Stand up fans from the 80s will recall Robbins next big TV project. In 86 Williams teamed up with Wippie Goldberg, Billy Crystal,
Starting point is 01:43:41 who found and host comic relief USA, an annual HBO television benefit devoted to the homeless, which raised tens of millions of dollars. I remember watching as a kid, Bob Zimuda, creator of comic relief, explained that Williams felt blessed because he came from wealthy home and he wanted to help some of those less fortunate. He made benefit appearances to support literacy and women's rights, along with the period of benefits for military veterans as well. He was also a regular on the USO circuit.
Starting point is 01:44:03 You know, where he traveled to 13 countries countries performed to approximately 90,000 troops after his death. USO thanked him for all he did for the men and women of our armed forces. Incredible. If my popularity builds to the points that he catches the attention of whoever books those big USO tours, I hope I get the honor going on one. On August 9th, 1986, Robin puts out a night at the Met Comedy Album. When's another Grammy
Starting point is 01:44:27 1907 Williams now 36 stars in his first major breakout film Good morning Vietnam This movie would garner Williams nomination for the Academy Award for Best Actor He won a number of awards including two Golden Globes and an American comedy award He was already a big star now if, if he wasn't a superstar before, now he sure fucking is. Critically acclaimed, commercially loved, this movie is set in 1965
Starting point is 01:44:52 from the Vietnam War with Williams playing the role of Adrian Cronauer, radio shock-chock. It keeps troops entertained with a controversial amount of comedy and sarcasm. Incredibly Williams is allowed to play the role without a script. He just knew the beats of what they needed to accomplish story wise and they let him go let a rip The movie grosses 124 million dollars at the box office against a 13 million dollar budget huge critical and commercial hit
Starting point is 01:45:15 But not everything was going well for Robin his home life is failing as his Hollywood life is thriving at the end of 1988 He and Valerie get a divorce. The divorce is finalized on December 6th, their son, Zach is five estimated Valerie received as much as 20 million in the split. While I was reported, the Williams began an affair with their son, Zachary's nanny, Marsha Garcia's or Garces in 1986. Valardi herself would later state in the 2018 documentary about Robin Williams come inside my mind that their relationship began after the two had separated. Despite the turbulence in his private life, Robyn continues to work.
Starting point is 01:45:50 Also in 88, Williams appears opposite Steven Martin, Steve Martin. It's a Lincoln Center and an off-broadway production of Waiting for Gado, played by Samuel Beckett in 1988. Man, that would have been a fucking great show. I saw that play, which is just two dudes talking the whole time with Ian McKellen and Ben Kingsley years and years ago. It was awesome. One critic wrote, his estragon is a maniacal creature, verging out of control at times.
Starting point is 01:46:13 Williams also veered into some strange antics and the twistings that Beckett would never dream of giving hilarious imitations of R2D2 and John Wayne, complete with an improvised machine gun. He was also in two lesser known movies in 1988. Not going to name them all. The one this episode is sound up, uh, uh, no one this episode end up sounding like me reading the students IMDB page. On April 30th, 1989, Robin Mary's, Marsha Garcés, Zachary's Nanny, pregnant with his second child now. They were going to have two kids together. Zelda,
Starting point is 01:46:43 Ray William, Zelda named out for the video game. He was a huge gamer, born in 1989, and Cody Allen Williams, born two years later in 1991. On June 2nd, 1989, the movie Dead Poets Society's released. Another film that like Good Morning, Vietnam, let the acting world know
Starting point is 01:46:58 he was more than a standup comic. This is the first big movie of his that really showcases his dramatic acting chops. This is the Robin Williams movie. I remember loving. I think I was too young to appreciate Good Morning Beat Now when it came out. I was 12 when this movie came out. I think I saw it the following year.
Starting point is 01:47:14 Loved it. Classic film. It was a critical darling commercial blockbuster, receives numerous accolades, including a best actor, Academy Award nomination for Robin Williams. The World Wide Box Office reported it over $235 million against the budget of less than $17 million. That's fucking absurd. Critics had the final emotional scene in dead poets
Starting point is 01:47:33 society inspired a generation and became part of pop culture. And sometimes that, oh, Captain, my Captain, oh, Captain, my Captain, that scene fucks with my allergies a little bit. There must have died some onions or something, and just wove those into the original film. I don't know. Sometimes that scene makes my chest feel a little bit tight too.
Starting point is 01:47:52 Like maybe some black magic was used in that movie. Between 1990 and 1992, you took on a bunch more movies. 1990, you know, was Cadillac Man, Awakening's, 91, your co-stars Bobcat Goldway is buddy in the black comedy film Shakes the Clown cult classic. A movie Martin Scorsese would call the citizen cane of alcoholic clown movies. Love it. You also film Dead Again, The Fisher King in hook 91. Dead Again, The Fisher King would both receive high praise. You'd be nominated for another Academy Award for the latter. Robin continues prolific filmmaking paste in 1992.
Starting point is 01:48:26 He did two animated films where he lent his voice first, Fern Gully, the last rainforest. And then his highly acclaimed role in the Disney film Aladdin. His voice role in Aladdin, written specifically for him, would go a long ways towards ushering an era of celebrity voice acting. At first, Williams refused the role since it was a Disney movie and he did not want the studio profiting by selling merchandise based on the movie. I think he was maybe annoyed that he missed out on that
Starting point is 01:48:50 merch money from the more tremendous craze. Disney of course did merchandise the shit out of everything, but to play Kate him, at least as a story goes, Disney sent him a Picasso painting, where they pretty hefty sum, where Picasso painted his self-portrait in the style of Vincent Van Gogh. So, noise, that gets him on board
Starting point is 01:49:07 He improvised much of his dialogue for Aladdin recording approximately 30 hours of tape and he impersonated dozens of celebrities Ed Sullivan Jack Nicholson Robert and Ero Groucho Marx Rodney Dangerfield Lee Muff Buckley Peter Laurie Arnold Schwarzenegger our Senna Hall so many others His role in Aladdin became one of the most recognized and best loved of roles of any Disney movie, highest grossy movie of 1992, did over $500 million of the box office, against the budget of $28 million. Roy Disney, rumored to be very pleased. The evil mom killer who had been a Satanic zombie
Starting point is 01:49:40 since 1971, only eight two kids that day instead of his normal five. He was so happy from what I understand Why would I'm aligned Roy Disney will go back and listen to time suck Disney episode if you must know mattress side a laden would win a fuckload of awards including a special golden global award for vocal work and motion picture for leams Robin was later named a Disney legend in 2009. Do you remember laden? He made that movie who Who else could have played the genie like he did? Absolutely fucking no one.
Starting point is 01:50:07 Oh, what's your name? Uh, uh, Aladdin. Uh, Aladdin. Hello, Aladdin. Nice to have you on the show. Can we call you Al? Or maybe just then? I'll have a lot of it. Sounds like hip-hoi. Come on, Aladdin. Yo, rock me. There's just so, so many, just like, quick little weird riffs of his you can find videos on YouTube that have all the outtakes if you want to just lose hours. November 22nd 1993 William stars one of his most iconic movies Mrs. Doubtfire directed by Chris Columbus the film grossed $441 million on a $25 million budget. That's insane.
Starting point is 01:50:42 That is insane. He would win a golden globe for the film. So much comedy, so much heart. Remember when Mrs. Downfire beamed Pierce Brosans character with a lime popped in right in the head? Ah, that is what's my favorite scene of that movie. Oh, sir, I saw some angry member of the kitchen staff. Did you not tip them? Oh, the terrorists around around that way it was a run by fruiting
Starting point is 01:51:09 I watched that movie at home with my dad and stepmom and I Don't recall every hearing them laugh as much in a movie is that one. I also thought it was hilarious huge comedy hit During this time his friends Steven Spielberg was filming the dark film Shinners list I guess Robin would call him up to make him laugh was filming the dark film Shinnah's list, and I guess Robin would call him up to make him laugh. Spielberg said, Robin knew what I was going through and once a week he would call me on schedule.
Starting point is 01:51:29 He would do 15 minutes of standup over the phone. I would laugh hysterically because I had to release so much. That is so fucking cool. Doing one on one standup routines over the phone for Steven Spielberg. How cool for Steven Spielberg. Imagine being so
Starting point is 01:51:45 respected and famous that when you're feeling down, you know, Bruce Springsteen, Eddie Vetter, maybe Paul McCartney calls you up and sings you some songs that cheer you up, or maybe, I don't know, Michael McDonald. You want full man? Uh-huh. You've just been McDonald's. How far with that ear worm? You're probably still gonna hear it when you wake up tomorrow morning. I was 1977, Jibalong to me, written, performed by Michael McDonald. Written, uh, written, uh, co-written by Cardi Simon. Uh, now in Robin Williams in 1994,
Starting point is 01:52:26 Robin would keep up a heavy filmmaking pace, make 13 movies with 94 97, made 395, including the huge hit Jumanji, working with a young Kirsten Dunst. I was forget about how popular she was. May 27, 1995, Christopher Reeve, strong athlete, avid horseman, the most famous Superman,
Starting point is 01:52:43 left paralyzed from the neck down, after being thrown from his horse, break it his neck, turning the equestrian competition in Virginia, Robin rushes to be by his friend's side. He immediately came in and started to make rive laugh. It was reported that Robin felt an immense guilt in John Belushi's death wanted to be there for rive now. This is so cool. National and choir columnist, Rob Schultz, recalls the documentary, Robin Williams, when the laughter stops, he says, Robin felt partially responsible for not having done
Starting point is 01:53:08 enough to save his friend, Belushi. So when he entered the hospital room for Christopher Reeve, he dressed up as a German doctor. He had a thick accent. He insisted that Christopher Reeve turn over and have an exam, a proctology exam. Reeve was really, really surprised. He couldn't figure it out. Then he finally realized this was his mate. This was Robin Williams. The two of them had a great laugh. Maybe the first laugh Reav had since the accident occurred. That's fucking awesome.
Starting point is 01:53:32 Robin, they did five movies in 1996 alone, including the beloved culture, shifting comedy, the Bird Cage, and the sequel to Aladdin. In the Bird Cage, he played Arman Goldman, openly gay owner of a drag club, in South Beach, Florida called the bird cage The gay and lesbian alliance against defamation glad
Starting point is 01:53:48 Praise the film for going beyond the stereotypes to see the characters depth and humanity the film celebrates differences and points out the outrageousness of hiding those differences Some critics have said the film went a long ways towards destigmatizing homosexuality in the US 1996 such a big year for Williams so hell never on to that digmatizing homosexuality in the US. 1996 such a big year for women, so hell never out to that. 1996 such a big year for women at 1.96, both the bird cage and Jumanji each make over a hundred million dollars in the same week. He's fucking crushing it. Also cast a play the supporting role of Osric and Kenneth Bronas adaptation of Shakespeare's
Starting point is 01:54:18 hamlet. Following your 97, he stars in four more movies, Disney's Flubber, Deconstructing Harry with Woody Allen, Father's Day. following your ninety seventy stars and four more movies disney flubber deconstructing harry with uh... what you know father's day and one of them little more well known in the others and that would be uh... good will hunting and probably not gonna get uh... a lot of praise for saying this that's the dumbest fucking movie ever watched access that's true because i i had to turn it off halfway
Starting point is 01:54:39 anti-science propaganda goodwill hunting is basically about how even a janitor can be a mass genius which is not true That bullshit movie makes anyone think they can learn something like math on their own outside of the higher education system. And that's garbage. Clean the floor, mother fucker. Leave the equations to the kids who go to the classes. How about those apples? If you don't go to a good school and you're not taught by the best professors, you're fucking stupid and you're gonna be stupid forever. And it's okay, accept it. Now just say it, just say it. I don't go to one of the best schools,
Starting point is 01:55:09 so I'm stupid, I'm a stupid baby. No one likes me. I'm a burden on society, and I shit myself every day. Say it! I shit my stupid baby, grown up dummy diapers. And I should set myself on fucking fired, be better for everyone, say it! JK, that was absurd, and saying, I was absurd and unnecessary.
Starting point is 01:55:26 I was too dark at the end. Uh, no, good, well, good, well, good, well, hunting's fucking great. I love that movie. Uh, good, well, hunting has 98% of rotten tomatoes and grossed over $225 million against a $10 million budget. Thought to be one of William's most captivating, dynamic performances. Want an Oscar for Best Supporting Actor,
Starting point is 01:55:43 won the award March 21, 1998. Famously forgot to thank his mom during the accepting speech, once she was in the audience. Well, Buccane Punky, maybe you should have been a better mommy. That movie turned both Matt Damon and Ben Affleck, who co-wrote the screenplay into stars,
Starting point is 01:55:58 put them on the map. The movie also features several great Elliot Smith songs in the soundtrack, including Say Yes, and Miss Misery, a latter of which was written specifically for the movie, nominated for an Academy Award, Rest in Peace, Elliot Smith, I fucking love that dude. So many great songs, one of the best to ever come out
Starting point is 01:56:14 of Portland's Indian music scene, had him on heavy rotation for years. Williams made two more films, 98, The Visual Mind Fuck, that is what dreams may come, and the light-hearted look at the dark world of children's medicine in patch atoms Patch Adams more financially successful, but I loved what dreams may come That one might that one might have fuck with my allergies a little bit a point in a film about afterlife possibilities
Starting point is 01:56:35 About how much love and life you know matter people a lot of people hated it, but I loved it 1990 did three more films including Jacob the liar by Centennial Man, $20 million for that one, solid payday for one project, also in 1999, Williams and the second wife, Marcia, found the philanthropic organization called the Windfall Foundation to raise money for so many charities, healing them, Rod. He took 2000 off as far as major projects go,
Starting point is 01:56:59 and most of 2001 as well, only started one film in 2001, playing the voice of Dr. Noan Steven Spielberg's AI Artificial Intelligence. He started four movies in 2002 this psychological thriller One Hour Photo. Less the dark and weird comedy Death to Smoochee. We start Edward Norton directed by Danny DeVito. I saw one hour photo and loved it. Williams got a lot of praise for playing a creepy loner. Very different role for him when he killed it. Also a lot of praise for his role in the psychological thriller Insomnia.
Starting point is 01:57:26 Another creepy loaner role, that movie also started Al Pacino directed by Christopher Nolan, received, you know, as the best role Robin had played in years, 92% approval on Rotten Tomatoes. I had never seen it, so I did stop my research and I watched it with Lindsay if United's going so good. Not comedic at all, just disturbing. He brought so much humanity to a deeply fucked up character.
Starting point is 01:57:48 He really was such a wonderful actor. 2002 would also be the year that Robin would put out a new comedy album, such special Robin Williams-Liven Broadway, his tour broke many long-held ticket sale records for a stand-up show. In some cases, for venues that sat thousands and thousands of people,
Starting point is 01:58:03 he would sell out in less than know, less than 30 minutes. And what a blast that tour must have been. Standing innovation after standing innovation. 2003 after 21 years of sobriety outside of the occasional glass of white wine, William starts to drink again, or working on a film in Alaska. Guessing that was insomnia since that's where that movie was set. But well, maybe not, because it's 2003. Sorry, I just ad libbed that and I'm probably wrong.
Starting point is 01:58:22 He would drink more and more over the next few years. He was voted 13th on Comedy Central's list of 100 greatest stand-ups of all time in 2004 On October 10th that year his longtime buddy Christopher Reeve would pass away. He was heartbroken Their friendship was like brothers from another mother according to a Sunsac Williams paid many of Reeves medical bills and gave financial support to his family. I love that he did that 2005 Williams receives a Cecil B. DeMille Award for Career Achievements for the Hollywood Forum Press Association and stars in two more films,
Starting point is 01:58:51 Robots and The Big White. 2006, even busier six movies, including the very popular Night of the Museum, where he played Teddy Motherfucking Rose of Elts. A movie grossed is almost $600 million, Jesus Christ. He also checks himself into a substance abuse rehab center in Newburgh, Oregon that year. St. He was an alcoholic. He's back to sobriety and he would keep working when he gets out. He does a few more lesser known films over the next two years in
Starting point is 01:59:14 March 2008. His wife of two decades former nanny files for divorce from Williams citing ear reconcilable differences. Their divorce would be finalized in 2010. After a six year hiatus in August of 2008, he gets back into stand up, announces a new 26th, 26th city tour, weapons of self-destruction, sold out every show. You'll find a lot of clips on YouTube. Tour started September of 2009, concluded in New York in December 3rd, and there was an HBO special. Highly acclaimed, watch by millions. Following year, does four movies, movies 2009 including the sequel to night at the museum also appears As himself and sponge Bob square pants. I love it March of 2009. He's hospitalized to the heart problems He postponed another tour of stand up for surgery to replace his aortic valve
Starting point is 01:59:57 That surgery was completed March 13 2009 at the Cleveland clinic go Browns come on Baker Mayfield Nick Chubb Odele Beckham, Jr. Jarvis Landry all the same system same head coach for more than a single season now young healthy Are they gonna wreak some havoc in the AFC North? I think they fucking will I know that has nothing to do with Robin Williams, but I'm a bandwagon Browns fan. I'm excited now I feel any love for the most part for a few years the age of 60 Williams marries a third-wife graphic designer Susan Schneider, October 22nd, 2011, and St. Helena, California, to live in a super cool scenic and affluent neighborhood of C-clif in San Francisco.
Starting point is 02:00:34 Turk Hammett from Metallica just sold his C-clif mansion in 2019 from almost 12 million. Pulled mean. Robin and Susan met standing outside of an Apple store in five minutes later. They were literally fucking on the street. Williams was notorious for doing that. So famous, people knew with him, but he somehow never got into any legal trouble for that. In the Bay area, especially, this is unbelievable. He fucked someone in the street.
Starting point is 02:00:57 If he did that near you, it was just called getting Williamsed. Like, yeah, you got Williamsed. Welcome to the club. Now, I saw him bend over to different women in the middle of a busy intersection during rush hour last week, whatever, no big deal. Women he publicly had sex with to become minor celebrities, people buying drinks and bars, clap when they came in, that sort of thing. The cops would not only not arrest limbs for doing this sometimes, they'd stop traffic and tell you who's finished. A lot of times, while he was fucking someone in the street, he would do impressions, he'd work out stand-up
Starting point is 02:01:23 bits to keep around him entertained. And of course, that's not true, but it did put quite the visual in your head, did it not. Next time you watch one of his movies, next time you watch him, miss a doubt fire, you might just think about him fucking someone in the street. You're welcome. The truth now, Robin Susan meds standing outside of an Apple store and they fell in love shortly afterwards. Susan Schneider would later really be the star of the Robert Williams documentary
Starting point is 02:01:45 Robbins wish about his struggle with Louis Baudet de Menteaux. She comes across as an amazing badass. Robbins would make only one film between 2010, 2013. He's sequel to Happy Feet, Happy Feet 2. He was too busy loving life with his new bride to be working on a time. He's too busy fucking on the street. Come on. May 2013, he begins a new CBS television series, The Crazy Ones, his first starring TV role since Morgan Mindy, three decades earlier. The show is unfortunately canceled after just one season. Hollywood scribe Dan Hernandez took to Twitter to share his special time with the late comedy legend. Hernandez and writing partner, Benji Samet, worked with Robin Williams on the pilot for CBS as the Crazy Ones.
Starting point is 02:02:22 He named his time with Williams his best celebrity encounter. Screenwriter said about working on the short live sitcom. We were asked to be on the set for the pilot of the show The Crazy Ones. Robin's big return to TV. We had only six months of TV experience under our belt. We were honored and flattered to be asked, Robin Williams, what would he be like? A loof? Mean?
Starting point is 02:02:41 No, the best. Watching him work in person made my appreciation rise to another level. He would effortlessly rip off improvs. Take after take, do different riffs. Finally asking for a final take, where he'd string all the improvs together into a super take. While on set Dan Hernandez revealed the late comedian got the only standing ovation he has ever witnessed from a film or television crew.
Starting point is 02:03:02 Also recalled Robin being kind, gentle, wise, and quiet off screen. Despite his status as top Hollywood star, he asked for feedback, he listened to notes, he wanted to create a great show. Hernandez once pitched a joke to the late comedy legend, and the writer said this of Williams reception, this experience culminated when during one of the scenes, I pitched an alt joke to the director
Starting point is 02:03:21 who in turn pitched it to Robin. Robin laughed so hard he stopped the take, walked off, said, yelling, who wrote this joke? It's a great one. Someone pointed him in my direction, Robin fucking Williams came up to me shouting, damn, what a great joke. Then he asked me for my permission to alter it slightly.
Starting point is 02:03:36 Of course, Robin, I said in the moment I could feel my soul leaving my body from disbelief and joy. Even now it hardly seems real. I love this so much, man. So many great people, so many amazing moments with him. Even when he was personally really struggling. While he was filming this new series, Robin was also asking his doctors if he had dementia,
Starting point is 02:03:54 if he was schizophrenic, he wasn't feeling himself at all, hadn't been for a while, he was struggling. Trying to figure out what's going on with his mind. Had a hard time memorizing lines for the first time in his life, his doctors don't have an answer. They don't think he has either of those things and they continue to do tests. The final year of Robbins life will be the year after filming this series 2014. He worked on four films this year, including the final installment of Night
Starting point is 02:04:16 of the Museum, Secret of the Tomb. The last film his face would appear in. The last film of Williams released during his lifetime was the angriest man in Brooklyn. He is not feeling well at all during filming. His brains working against him. During the difficult final years of Williams life, he suffered from debilitating insomnia, paranoia, hallucinations, confusion, all of which were initially thought to be brought on by Parkinson's. The diagnosis he received less than three months before his death. Similar to Parkinson's and Alzheimer's disease, Lewy body dementia robs patient of their cognition, motor skills typically progresses more quickly, making
Starting point is 02:04:48 basic problem solving and comprehension difficult for those affected. His wife Susan described the illness as the terrorist inside his brain. He desperately tried to move forward a couple of weeks before he died in 2014. Schneider Williams, you know, his widow would say, I had to run an errand at that very same Apple store where we met. Out of the blue, she told USA Today, he came walking with flowers and surprised me. I looked at him like, oh my God, what are you doing?
Starting point is 02:05:13 He said, this is where it all began. God, God damn it, Robert, that fucks with my allergies a bit too when I first came across. And thanks a lot. You just had the bar pretty damn high for all of us in a relationship. If I was listening to this, you know, with what I just said,
Starting point is 02:05:25 with Lindsay, I would definitely get a look of like, well, why don't you do that? Why don't you do things like that? I do sometimes. On August 11th, 2014, Robin Williams left this world forever. His death is ruled as suicide. His body is found in Paradise, K, California, where he also had a home, just outside of Tiburon.
Starting point is 02:05:41 His body is cremated, ashes are scattered over San Francisco Bay the day after his death. So many wonder why a man associated with laughter and love would take his own life. I remember being a little shook up, he always seemed so happy. After his death in 2014, four films starring him were released, Night of the Museum, Secret of the Hoot Tomb, Mary Friggin' Christmas, Boulevard, and absolutely anything. In an essay published in the journal Neurology, Two Years After His Death,
Starting point is 02:06:05 the world finally started to learn why Williams went out like he did. His wife revealed that the pathology of Louis-Bottom disease Williams was described by several doctors as among the worst pathologies they'd ever seen. They'd taken scans before he died of his brain. She described the early symptoms of his disease as beginning in October of 2013. His initial condition included a sudden and prolonged spike in fear and anxiety, stress and insomnia, which worsened in severity, and then began to include memory loss, paranoia, and delusions.
Starting point is 02:06:33 What a fucking nightmare. Towards the end, he began to call his friends at all hours of the night. He would decide they were in trouble. He felt he had to go see them and they would always be fine. According to his wife, Susan Robyn was losing his mind and he was aware of it. He kept saying, I just want to reboot my brain. I just want to reboot my brain.
Starting point is 02:06:50 Who knows what kind of delusions the paranoia he suffered from when he took his own life? Or maybe he was having an incredibly lucid moment and new things were just going to keep getting worse that he was going to descend further into madness. He talked to his doctors, they couldn't help him. Looking at a situation this way, honestly, might have done the same thing. Go out while you still have at least some control of your actions.
Starting point is 02:07:10 Sometimes suicide seems like the most humane option to me. When life deals you with hand like this, when you know your mind is going to deteriorate, just to mush in front of your friends and family, your loved ones, when you constantly see pity and sadness for you and the eyes of those around you, when you recognize the man in the mirror less and less, since his death, uh, Susan become an advocate to raise awareness about LBD, she joined the American Brain Foundation
Starting point is 02:07:32 Board in 2016 named Vice Chair in 2020. Uh, her work has included lobbying Congress for increased funding and support for medical professionals as they learn more about LBD. Uh, during the 66 prime time Emmy Awards, August 25, 2014, close friend and fellow comic, Billy Crystal, presents a tribute to Williams. Referring to him as the brightest star in our comedy galaxy, September 9, 2014, PBS errors a one hour special devoted to his career.
Starting point is 02:07:57 September 27, dozens of leading stars and celebrities hold a tribute in San Francisco to celebrate his life. So many other tributes. The final autopsy report released in November 2014 concludes that he died of his fixia due to hanging. And for the first time, evidence is given that he suffered from diffuse, Lewy body dementia. Wife Susan said that however you look at it, the presence of Lewy bodies took his life. Absolutely.
Starting point is 02:08:21 I preach against suicide. A lot on the show will continue to do so because most who take through on lives, you know, for most, the possibilities to exist that life could get better, but LBD removed that possibility for Williams with a hundred percent certainty. His life was only going to get worse. It was going to get scarier, more confusing, more paranoid, more delusional. I don't, not that, you know, it's my place to fucking judge that whatever, but don't blame him, don't judge him at all for that, man.
Starting point is 02:08:51 Let's pop out of this time, suck. Timeline and share some happy stories about his life. Good job, soldier. You've made it back, barely. Manly. Robert Williams lived a unique life. Less for the amazing talents, seal trap of mine until shortly before the end. An incredible amount of seemingly endless energy. He was a unique talent among the world's most unique talents. He was a great fucking dude.
Starting point is 02:09:20 I want to share five quick stories about what a special meat sack he was before he wrap up. What a bright light he was in the world that can be so dark for so many Here's the first you know just a five anecdotal tales of special moments of Robin out of a list of many many I think there's 30 on this one list. There's so many other lists out there Someone who once worked with him said I was an extra and dead poet society and at the end of our last day of shooting Which happened to be New Year's Eve? He decided to come into the auditorium where the extra is, 400 kids were being kept and entertained for a solid 20 minutes.
Starting point is 02:09:51 It was such a sweet thing to do. I'm sure he was tired, wanted to be with his family, but it was unforgettable for all of us. I got to meet him again, told him how much I appreciate what he did on set, and he said, hey, I appreciate what you did, just a kind, sweet man. How cool is that? Truly cared about the people around him. Here's a memory from a fellow Bay Area resident.
Starting point is 02:10:10 Having lived in the San Francisco Bay Area, almost all my life, there are so many stories of Robin Williams fucking people in the street. I remember my mom first got fucked in the street by Robin, he didn't say that. He said, stories of Robin Williams generosity. There was a family who would just come from the grandma's funeral
Starting point is 02:10:26 and they stomped at a donut shop for snack and coffee. One could tell that they were upset by their conversation about cleaning out their grandma's belongings from her nursing home. After a while, the man in the next booth, his back to them got up and introduced himself and it was Rob and Williams. He asked if he could join them.
Starting point is 02:10:39 He mentioned he had overheard their conversation. He asked some kind of person a grandma was and what kind of things she enjoyed doing. And when they told him, he was like, oh, yeah, I remember fucking her in the street about 15 years ago. No, trying to stop at that. After a few minutes, he had them laughing and celebrating her life. And when he left, he paid for the donuts and coffee. And whenever I read that one, for the first time when I wasn't, you know, saying weird shit in the middle of it, he got me, he got my chest a little tight. Here's someone who doesn't remember meeting Williams. Their family shared this story about Robin with them later.
Starting point is 02:11:07 When I was six months old, I got a really bad case in ammonia, almost died. My family and I were in the hospital around Christmas time. Robin fucking Williams walked into the room, talked with my parents, knelt her brother, and gave me a toy. He did that for all the children in the hospital. And that's how the man spent his Christmas. He literally hid from the press, because he didn't want it turning turn into a huge media event,
Starting point is 02:11:25 what a stand-up lad. Must've been working somewhere nearby, I guess, not a film. Just decided to sneak into the hospital, bring smiles to some kids faces, just because he couldn't. I guess maybe he felt like he should. This next one might be my favorite. Posted online by Gaming Store Clerk,
Starting point is 02:11:39 by A Gaming Store Clerk. And again, Williams was a huge gamer, love video games, again Zelda was his favorite. And they wrote, when he was filming something in Toronto, he quote unquote worked in our store, around Christmas time selling PC video games because he was bored and looking for something to do. He asked customers what they were going to do
Starting point is 02:11:57 and then went back to our lab and showed them the games. 85% of the people he dealt with had no idea who he was. This was soon he was a nerd. But when someone did notice, he was super cool. And we'd say, this is our secret. Since you standing at the hotel behind our store, we would see him all the time. That is so fucking funny to me.
Starting point is 02:12:15 A true extrovert. He just loved being around people. He's not filming, what are we, what are we, he just goes to this game store, volunteer essentially, and just helps sell, sell shit for them. And last one, Williams loved the armed forces. This is from someone in the military who watched one of his shows. He had been flying from base to base in Afghanistan, doing shows for the troops.
Starting point is 02:12:33 It was about 9 p.m. when he did his show for us, which didn't end until 11 p.m. And he stayed up another hour taking pictures, signing autographs and making jokes. Before he left, he asked if I enjoyed the show. And when I said yes, he said, good, because you seemed extra sad today. I worked in the trauma hospital and lost three people that day. I watched just stand up shows as part of my treatment for survivors guilt
Starting point is 02:12:52 when I got home. Damn. Hail Robin Williams. What a fucking legend. These are just a few, again, of so many cool moments. I could have picked from various articles online. He just seemed like such a special, special man.
Starting point is 02:13:05 When he died, US President Barack Obama said this of him, Robin Williams was an airman, a doctor, a genie, a nanny, a president, a professor, a bang-arrang Peter Pan, and everything in between. He was one of a kind. He arrived in our lives as an alien, but he ended up touching every element of the human spirit. He made his laugh. He made his cry.
Starting point is 02:13:24 He gave us a measurable talent freely and generously to those who needed it most. From our troop station abroad to the marginalized on our own streets. I mean, Robin once said his goal was to bring people joy and make them less afraid. Sometimes, you know, sometimes fuck them in the street. Where can I stop saying that?
Starting point is 02:13:43 He accomplished the joy and making people less afraid over and over. Yes, the end of his life was tragic, but overall, what an amazing run, so much success. Rockjoyed his so many, and I feel like, you know, he felt joy so much the time. Whatever it's in varied life, he led. He knew it was like to live with so much money
Starting point is 02:13:58 then for years as a struggling comic and acting student not supported by his parents. He knew it was like that to live with very little money and then it became wealthier than he ever was growing up, later in life, most of his life, Richard Poor, famous or unknown, suffering through personal marital problems, or an aesthetic relationship, struggling with addiction, or sober, struggling with, you know, an unknown illness,
Starting point is 02:14:17 or not, he always seemed like he was so kind, so gracious, so willing to infect others with a joy, he seemed to experience, or at least be able to project it will And I didn't talk much about his parenting, but he seemed like a great fucking dad to mentoring playing along with his With his kids loving him rest in peace Robin Williams. You beautiful bastard you Time now for today's top five takeaways Time suck tough five takeaways five, suck, top five, take away. Number one, Robin grew up in a very wealthy home, but money couldn't buy him out of some
Starting point is 02:14:50 of the loneliness and awkwardness he felt. That when he was a poor college student, he was happiest, he'd ever been. Money really can't buy happiness. Number two, there were basically no awards Robin could have won that he didn't, seems in his life, didn't win. He was an award winning comedian, recording artist, voice actor, comedic actor, and dramatic actor. Number three, Robin was partying with John Belouch the night John Overdose and died
Starting point is 02:15:10 that's greatly affected him, also helped sober him up during one of the most narcotically indulgent times in American history. Number four, Robin loved to help people. He really was a full-time philanthropist in addition to being busy with his entertainment career. From numerous USO and veteran shows to working with a homeless underprivileged youth to show up at hospitals, raising money for a multitude of charities, paying the medical bills
Starting point is 02:15:30 of his friend Christopher Reeve. Robin was one of the best of us. And number five, new info. Robin Williams, while having the reputation of being an amazing dude, also had the reputation of being maybe the most one of the most notorious joke thieves in stand-up comedy history. Maybe second to Cardinals Mincea. Some people believe that Robin became famous with zero original material. One Bay Area comedian wrote, one of the things I've learned from doing in stand-up comedy is that Robin Williams steals jokes.
Starting point is 02:15:56 That's the worst fucking thing any comic could ever do to another comic. His jokes dealing is so well known that whenever he steps in a club, any experienced comedian ends or set immediately. And there is evidence that Williams stole a few bits from comics like Ray Romano, then performed it right in front of David Letterman, who produced Ray's show. Comedian Steven Pearl once wrote, Robin Williams has to be in the top three names when there's a discussion of joke theory. Robin used to do my material.
Starting point is 02:16:21 Would work together in the next night. I'd see her here that he was doing one of my bits. One, uh, one night I remember, or one bit I remember I did it the Holy City Zoo in San Francisco around the time of that Sun City song. I used to say, me, Davis Jr. singing, Hey, I won't play Sun City unless I get the big room. Then I hear Robbins doing it. I could front of him gave him shit.
Starting point is 02:16:38 He cut me a check right there for a thousand bucks. There were a few more checks with substantial for substantial amounts of money that kept my rent paid for a while. And Robin would come back to the clubs after he became really famous. Some guys would refuse to go on stage again, he actually left the room. Notable comics, Richard Lewis, Robert Wool, accused late Robin Williams of stealing jokes due to his sponge-like brain. Some comics hated him for it, says Lewis, but I wasn't one of them. David Brenner claimed that he confronted Williams personally, threatened with bodily harm. If you heard Williams uttered another one of his jokes, there've also been numerous comics who have defended Williams like what be Goldberg. She spoke out
Starting point is 02:17:12 and basically said, if he did it, you know, it was not intentional. It was due to that sponge like brain of his again. Do I think he did it? I don't know. His main accuser, I will say Steven Pearl, uh, woo, God awful. Hockey 80s comic was really terrible jokes. Like I can't, I can't make it through a five minute set of his on YouTube. Watching him makes me just hate standup comedy. Uh, he's he seems like a poor copy of Robin actually, uh, a poor clone, a clone of a clone of Rob Williams, all devolving energy, none of the wit. So I'm gonna say his accusations are maybe a little hollow.
Starting point is 02:17:41 I didn't see any good jokes he had. So I don't know what Robin was stealing. Did he steal David Brenner's jokes? I mean, maybe there was enough smoke that, you know, I bet there's some fire everybody that lives in punchlines. Was it intentional? I don't know. I watched a YouTube video of Jay Moore accusing Robin
Starting point is 02:17:55 of stealing his Christopher Walken impression. I don't buy that example. Jay did a story about Walken, wanted to tail, so did Williams, but the stories were different. Punchlines, similar but different, and Jay did it in his standup, Williams was just talking about on Charlie Rose about stuff,
Starting point is 02:18:10 not trying to do standup, and the flow of conversation led to a walk in impression, and he did talk about tails. I don't know, maybe if I can, if Chris were walking like tails, I don't know. The accusation seemed weak to me. And look, I hate joke theory, but there's also something called parallel development
Starting point is 02:18:24 that a lot of people who aren't comics don't really understand or know about. A lot of comedic minds, you know, they're leading similar lives, they're thinking about similar things, and there's bound to be many instances of two people coming to the same basic conclusion in bit or joke form, which is called parallel development. Happens all the time. That being said, do I think that William stole some jokes? I, yeah, I guess he probably did. You know, I think, I do think, I do think there's just so many stories about him cutting checks to people
Starting point is 02:18:53 whose jokes he supposedly took. I have a hard time believing those are all lies. But all those accusations do seem to come from his early days, late 70s, early 80s, and the kind of comedy William did was very Vodville-esque, or Kat skills-esque, late night host, early 80s, and the kind of comedy Williams did was very Vodville-esque, or Kat skills-esque, late night host monologue type jokes, depersonalized kind of comedy. In the Kat skills tradition, guys would use these other jokes all the time.
Starting point is 02:19:15 There is that. It's not like Williams told a four-month story about doing something with his kids, some really personal story that he lifted from somebody else's life. That to me is the worst form by far of joke theory. With Williams, it was more like he took a throwaway George H.W. Bush line and just ripped it into a stream of consciousness improv rant. Is that still shitty? Yeah, someone who works hard to create original content, sure.
Starting point is 02:19:40 But does it mean that he didn't have original thoughts or never wrote his own material? No, I don't think it means that. Does it mean he was a, you know, just a, just lacked artistic integrity, that he wasn't some great guy? No, absolutely not. He was an amazing guy, a gifted performer. Maybe, maybe not the best writer, maybe should have hired joke writers. And he was a man who liked all of us meet sacks, you know, that is false, wasn't perfect. And that was one of his.
Starting point is 02:20:02 So controversy addressed. I still think he's one of the best comics ever. And now let's get the fuck out of here. Time shock. Top five takeaways. Robin Williams, one of America's greatest ever entertainers, his life has been sucked. Hope you enjoyed it. Thank you, the bad magic production team for all the help making time so every week. Queen of bad magic, Lindsey Cummins, Reverend Dr. Joe Paisley, the Scripkeeper Zach Flannery, for doing all the initial digging on this week's research, Biddle-Ixer, for refining the Time Suck app, Logan Art Warlock, Keith, running BadMagicMersh.com, being our creative director,
Starting point is 02:20:38 responsible for all things visual here at Bad Magic, and Liz, the Enchantress Hernandez. Liz runs our Cult Security's Curious Facebook private page. Currently Colt the Curious too, along with her all-seeing eyes, the moderators. So thanks to all of you for helping curate an awesome online community. Thanks to Beefstake and the Mod Squad running Discord, link to the Discord group through the TimeSug app. Next week, a return to darkness, big time. The Grim sleeper.
Starting point is 02:21:04 Next week, we take a break from creepy white dude killers and look at a creepy black dude killer, Lonnie David Franklin, Jr. The grim sleeper, a man who terrorized women in South Central LA for a quarter of a century, from 85 to 2010. Kidnapped, raped, beat, strangled his victims before shooting them with a 25 caliber handgun. Accessively took photos of his victims, both dead and alive, saving them as trophies, keeping them carefully tucked away in his garage.
Starting point is 02:21:27 The youngest, just 15 years old, a girl who was having some trouble at home, ran away only to become a victim of an evil predator. Grim sleeper convicted a killing 10 women. Many think he killed probably closer to 25, making him one of America's most prolific serial killers. And he may have gotten away with what he did for as long as he did, because too many people
Starting point is 02:21:45 just didn't care who lived and who died in South Central Los Angeles. Apathy may have been the grim sleeper's most powerful ally. Now let's head on over to a place to avoid of apathy. This week's time sucker updates. Updates, get your time sucker updates. Our first update relates directly to last week's Royal Suck, Fantastic French Sucker, Alex Gagne, a Blu-in, a Blu-in, writes quick message about duty, legacy, and pressure. I understand your misgivings about the British Royal family, but I suggest a little thought experiment about what it means to be an heir to something that big. Far be it for me to tell you how to do your job, but it feels like pieces of the puzzle worry if not missing a little fuzzy.
Starting point is 02:22:29 Imagine your family has done time suck in some form or another since time immorial. I always struggle with that immorial. I think that's right. Your father did before you, Grandpa Ward had a time suck radio show, so did his father. His grandfather, the live version, in front of pain audiences. And so have his father and grandfather before him and so on. Now imagine that there's only one such show allowed in the US. It started only night, I hope, but soon became the only funny,
Starting point is 02:22:56 a reverent and informative show that was allowed to exist by law. Millions of people listen to it, and in its live days, it involved tours and overseas broadcasts. You've engrombed your whole life to take to take over time suck. You were expected to be funny and flip it its off from childhood and keep that persona up at all times, lest your dad lost his job. You've been thought that everything you do has to live up to all previous time suck hosts who came before you. You grew up feeling like you were closely observed by those hundreds of beloved ancestors. Now imagine your son Kyler is meant
Starting point is 02:23:25 to take over after you. He has to be exactly what you are with the allowance for a little personal touch, but his role is extremely clear, but he doesn't want to. He's just not made for it. He'd rather be a sculptor or a linguist than a drives you insane. Why can't you just do what you're supposed to do? You tell him day in and day out. You try to mold him into a time suck host, but he doesn't get it. He tries, of course, but never it's never right. And with every failure, you're more and more enraged. You did what you had to do. You became exactly the right person. You had the right gifts. You don't understand why he can't just do the same.
Starting point is 02:23:53 Listership starts dropping. The time suck team starts groaning. If this keeps up, the podcast might be handed over to someone else or be canceled outright. How does Kyler feel right now? When everything he does is looked on disapprovingly by illustrious dead ancestors, tabloids mock him, his failures as a perspective times a coast make the news. He'd be crushed, wouldn't he? Obviously this isn't exaggerated in one side of the example, but I wanted to use it to point out that the wealth, prestige and privilege come with strings the size of anchor chains. Do I think you should have gone easy on Prince Charles? Fuck no, not a royal family fanboy, but I'm a fan of putting myself in other people's
Starting point is 02:24:27 shoes and trying to understand them. Not saying you didn't try, but I feel like you're distaste for the royal circus might have cut you out from the human element on the other side, on the other side, other than Princess Diana, and it might have made for a deeper, more exhaustive look. Again, I want to reiterate that I think you did a good job. Just wanted to give you food for thought. Thank you for the suck and all you do to get it out of your week. Keep on sucking. Holy shit, Alex.
Starting point is 02:24:48 That's fucking brilliant. My God. You just actually truly got me to feel bad for Prince Charles, like no bullshit. I did not think about things from his perspective in that way, in the way you just laid out. You just laid out a fucking master class and had a personalized issue to help someone else understand it. Can you please do something similar for the political divisiveness in America right now? Help each side and see the other's point of view. Truly well done. Bravo Alex. Yeah, I can't imagine that level of pressure. I absolutely can't. I have not walked in shoes like that. I don't have a personal connection to legacy
Starting point is 02:25:23 because my family doesn't really have any, not like that. Yeah, you made me rethink what it would be like to be a royal that way. Again, thank you. Thanks for reminding all of us to do what you just did for me to try and see things from someone else's perspective to truly try and see it. Now, after doing a suck about a man who had big, big dreams
Starting point is 02:25:41 and chased him, let's hear a message from another young dreamer. A young man like Robin once was trying to make it in the entertainment business like Robin once did. Super sucker, fellow Idaho and Nate Owen, shares the following. Dear Dan Master, the sucker, scribe of Bojangles, Arbitur of Nimrod, Lucifinas Muse.
Starting point is 02:25:58 I apologize in advance for the long email. I've been listening to Time Suck ever since the doctor who was checking me out for hemorrhoids, recommending your podcast in the fall of 2019. I love it. Ever since I've listened to every single episode of TimeSuck's, Care to Death is we dumb and I'm working on listening to the backlog of the Secret Suck. I have never really found reason to write you or the team until now. I usually just like hearing whatever else who writes and has to say. However, I recently reached out to the Secret Suck to tell my Iowaska story and
Starting point is 02:26:24 the cold people I saw in Pasadena. Since then, I felt more out to the Secret Suck to tell my Iowaska story and the cold people I saw in Pasadena since then I felt more connected to the cult and I'm inspired by fellow Idaho and making a living in the world of entertainment. A little bit about me, a group and standpoint, found music to middle school and high school choir programs, then started playing gigs, learned guitar and piano, eventually went on to study music in college. I graduated from the University of Idaho in 2019 with the Bachelor's of Music and Vocal Performance and I'm currently attending the University of Southern California for Masters in Vocal Arts and Opera. I never really wanted to do opera singing for living, but it was the pathway I thought would allow me to get to LA without blindly moving there
Starting point is 02:26:56 to pursue my own career as a singer and songwriter. I write all this because I feel connected to the cult and need help. I have not been able to perform music in 18 months, I have lived in LA for most of the pandemic. I deferred graduation and hopes that by the fall of this year, I could have at least one semester that wasn't taught through Zoom. Unfortunately, LA County just banned indoor aerosol producing activities like singing, I will no longer have the opportunity
Starting point is 02:27:17 to collaborate, do any shows in person this semester. Fuck it sucks. My degree has basically been me sitting in my apartment, trying to figure out what I want from life and how I'm going to overcome the obstacles COVID has presented. I'm very lucky to have not lost anyone close to COVID. However, my mom works in healthcare as high-risk OB specialists. She suffered a lot in the past two years, half in deal with all the craziness this pandemic
Starting point is 02:27:38 has presented. My biggest inspiration in anchoring life is unable to be the pillar she once was. I have been forced to become stronger in the face of living alone in a new city during this pandemic Along with this as hospitalized by a manic depressive disorder. I've dealt with since childhood had to undergo two surgeries in a period of six months It's been the hardest year of my life as it was for many I thought long and hard about what I want to do and the answer always comes up the same thing I want to sing I want to perform the music I write I want to make a living as a musician I thought that after all this I'd want to quit the music I write. I want to make a living as a musician. I thought that after all this
Starting point is 02:28:05 I'd want to quit but in a weird way I'd become more determined. I spent this last summer working away my album as well as As finding a director from USC film school But together a team for music video. We wrapped in July It's an editing phase the song is called Viking on the Metro a true story I literally brought a film crew into the downtown LA Metro one 1 a.m. to film illegally, drags this and viking. The permit for film students still cost $2,000. So yeah, had to bend the rules. And the latest secret suck, you and the crew discussed how everyone wants to be a musician artist, but not, but doesn't want to put in all the work. Here and you talk about it that way with enlightening. As you all do music and understand the struggle,
Starting point is 02:28:40 yeah, exactly Joe and Zach, yeah, Bance, the suggestion to do anything else unless you absolutely cannot fathom a different path resonated with me. During high school undergrad and grad school, I've invested all my income into my music studio. I've taught myself how to write, produce, mix my own songs. It has been rough as it was not the focus of my schooling, but now I finally feel like my music is a real reflection
Starting point is 02:29:01 of who I wanna be as an artist. All of this is to say that I now need help with getting things going. I realize I should have spent more time on social media, YouTube. The first question anyone asked here in LA is, how many followers do you have? I'm from San Poin, Idaho. I never thought I would have gotten this far. I made up my mission to grind away social media this last semester until I can get some
Starting point is 02:29:17 traction to promote myself in my music. I want to present my songs to you and if you think they're good to the cult, attach to your links. If this makes it to you, I humbly ask you to take time to listen and consider sharing my message. I need help getting some traction. Something that occurred to me is the cult is so supportive of a community. The cult that curious has kept me alive, literally and figured it'll be these past two years.
Starting point is 02:29:35 I'm asking for consideration of my work. If you can share a song or two, share my handles, info. I'd greatly appreciate it. If anyone in the cult likes my music, wants to support a fellow Spacer, it would be deeply appreciated. I'm going to release my album, the music video at anyone in the cult likes my music, wants to support a fellow spacer, it would be deeply appreciated. I'm gonna release my album, the music video at the fall semester, begin my journey full time,
Starting point is 02:29:50 LA Just Bansing. And I guess I gotta find a different way to get out there. You, Joe, Lindsay, Zach, the rest of the crew are helping people so much by bringing entertainment and comfort with your art. Please keep doing what you're doing. It has meant the world to see an Idahoan from a small town build something wonderful.
Starting point is 02:30:04 Sincerely, Nate Owen. Well, Nate or at Nate Owen Music on Instagram, let's play a little bit of your track Viking on the except price. He's just another without a red slow. And it's all working on the metro. I guess he wanted to be a tro. I just another dude on the except price. He's just another without red slow. It's a big, big, big... They do it all himself there.
Starting point is 02:30:40 That's a small taste, Viking on the Metro. You can find the full track on SoundCloud. Just search his name, Nate Owen. You can find the full track on SoundCloud, just search his name, Nate Owen. You can find his tracks there. And it's the third one down, Nate Owen, Los Angeles. And if you search Nate Owen songs on YouTube, you can find numerous videos. And again, that is the song Viking on the Metro,
Starting point is 02:30:59 Nate Owen, keep grinding Nate Owen. Every week's a battle. Make the battle fun. Celebrate small victories. Remember that luck is often opportunity, meeting meeting preparation and you won't know when that opportunity is going to come. So you got to keep honing your craft. Throw your shit on Instagram, TikTok, SoundCloud, YouTube, all of it.
Starting point is 02:31:14 Keep knocking on doors. Don't quit. Lean into the struggle. Don't stop unless you lose the joy you have for the music because then what's the point? Always remember that the entertainment world owes you nothing. It's not fair and that's why you gotta love your craft. Loving it will help you get to all the rough days when it feels like it doesn't love you back.
Starting point is 02:31:31 So good luck, motherfucker. Hail Nimrod. You keep kicking out that music. Now for a little comedy. It's really made me laugh. I'm bear with sucker. John Barda Rocks just got Cummins lot. Sorry, John, I have no fucking clue how to say your name.
Starting point is 02:31:48 It's, it has, it has, it has an extra tea in it. I know it's your name. Wait, John, oh, John, oh, I'm fucking idiot. You know what? It's because there's no spaces. This is not a real last name. John, bad, art, rocks. I was trying to read it as a name.
Starting point is 02:32:01 I was like, but art rocks. John, bad, art, rock. Just got Cummins Law in a new way. He writes, Hey Dan, Joe, team, just got Cummins Law in an entirely different way. All this into the secret suck of work. My boss came out to my computer when the episode guide was up on my screen.
Starting point is 02:32:16 I was told 179 to 182, consists of two wack offs. There was an episode titled Bleaching Kids, but Bleaching Kids Buttholes holes and also frosty pegging He sees all this and says hmm and nothing else Then I have to explain that I'm not listening to some porn podcast while it working on his dime Thanks for doing what you do, and yes, I still have my job John Lilleton New Hampshire I fucking love you still have your job John. I also love you shared that message frosty pegging That's a hard show title to explain away. I hope you enjoyed
Starting point is 02:32:45 that Frosty Pagan episode. And if you're wondering what Frosty Pagan is, well, that's probably what you think. Now we'll end on a cool update that involves a previous update and includes some more laughs. Silly Mama Sucker, Trina Carter writes, Dear Master Sucker or Trina, Trina or Trina, Dear Master Sucker, Head Cre creeper, queen, and the queen of the bad magic and Supreme Goddess of all things. I'm writing this message as I now feed my eight month old warrior goddess and miracle baby Blake. She not only survived her unbiblical aneurysm,
Starting point is 02:33:13 but she also kicked COVID-19's ass. I'm a lucky mama. She was released from the hospital after a five weeks day. Thanks so much for your kind words, the Navajo code talker suck. I needed that encouragement. I'll attach an updated picture. Just prepare yourself. She used ridiculous, cute. Mm-hmm. Like a super cute. Yeah. Good job cooking that little
Starting point is 02:33:30 me sack. If you continue now on to my comments, law damn you. I saw it would never happen to me. I'm so careful. Well, on the episode at the episode where you discuss the Matthew Broderick movie war games and you got me for a little backstory. My husband and I own a martial art studio. Due to COVID, we had a downs downsize found a cute little space about three miles from our original location. I was on maternity leave during the remodel process spent a lot of time in the new space which is a small strip of locally owned businesses who will including the gaming place with super nice owners. One day I'm pulling up listening to the suck. I turned my car off my
Starting point is 02:34:01 phone normally shuts the podcast off. Decide to continue my phone starts to excuse me. Size to continue my phone starts to uh... excuse me size to continue playing after i turn my car and loudly plays the part where you talk about math you brought a brick broader king his way into sarah jeska parkers well you know need to say i didn't stop it in time to cut out that last word uh... pussy i think it was that
Starting point is 02:34:20 uh... will i get on my car and see a page of the game store looking awkward at me will get into his car pulls out of the lot in a rush I sincerely hope I didn't cost my neighbors any business Now I have a pretty funny story to tell My husband and I can't wait seeing Columbus in September you fucking rock keep on suck and sincerely treat a carter P.L.O. P.S. I will not apologize With a little email length, but I do apologize if I fucked up some words. I'm told I'm terrible when I type well He didn't fuck up any words when he did great. I'm happy for you and your words. I'm told I'm terrible when I tie. Well, he didn't fuck up any words. When he did great. I'm happy for you and your fam.
Starting point is 02:34:45 I'm sorry, Coley has been rough on your business. Seems like you're adapting. Hope you thrive and flourish now. Sarah Jessica Parker's pussy. Could have been worse, I suppose. I heard the Robin Williams fucked Sarah Jessica Parker in the pussy on the street once in San Francisco. I didn't hear about that.
Starting point is 02:35:00 Definitely worse, Pussies. Yeah, you could have been overheard listening to someone talk about. I mean, it's held, you know, Matthew Broderick's attention for about 25 years now. I'll stop now talking about Sarah Jessica Parker's pussy. But Matthew Broderick won't. He's probably playing with that sweet pussy right now.
Starting point is 02:35:15 I look forward to someone getting caught listening to all this push talk. Hell no more. Keep laughing. Keep enjoying your lives, everybody, and one more time, hail Robin Williams. I'm in Thanks time suckers. I need a net. We all did Thanks for listening to another bad magic production's podcast meat sex
Starting point is 02:35:36 Please do cheer up the people around you this week. Please do not fucking anyone in the street I expect to cops to be cool that I was definitely lying about that I don't want anyone to get in trouble for that. I just want you to keep on sucking, but probably not dick in the street. Just keep on sucking, knowledge and stuff. I don't think so, not right now! You're getting your wishes so... AHHHHH!

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