Timesuck with Dan Cummins - 344 - Bible Belt Strangler/Redhead Murders

Episode Date: April 17, 2023

Today we look into a series of murders, mostly occurring in the mid-1980s, in the southeastern US. The bodies of unidentified women kept being found along I-40. Collectively, these killings came to be known as the Redhead Murders. And a possible unknown serial killer thought to be responsible for killing many of these women was named the Bible Belt Strangler. Have any of these murders been solved? Who are the main suspects? And what new forensic advancements have recently made the identification of many of these victims possible? We look into all of this and more. Hail Nimrod! Bad Magic Charity of the Month: We are donating a TBD (at the time of this recording) amount to Big Table. They provide crisis care to workers in the restaurant and hospitality industry.  1 IN 6 restaurant workers are below the official poverty line – DOUBLE any other working population. To find out more, go to: https://big-table.com/Want to apply for the Cummins Family Scholarship fund? Click this link!: https://learnmore.scholarsapply.org/cummins/  Deadline for application is April 24th at 3PM CT. Wet Hot Bad Magic Summer Camp tickets are ON SALE!  BadMagicMerch.com Get tour tickets at dancummins.tv Watch the Suck on YouTube: https://youtu.be/wJrFyLqiOJ4Merch: https://www.badmagicmerch.comDiscord! https://discord.gg/tqzH89vWant to join the Cult of the Curious private Facebook Group? Go directly to Facebook and search for "Cult of the Curious" in order to locate whatever happens to be our most current page :)For all merch related questions/problems: [e-mail] (copy and paste)Please rate and subscribe on iTunes and elsewhere and follow the suck on social media!! @timesuckpodcast on IG and http://www.facebook.com/timesuckpodcastWanna become a Space Lizard?  Click here: https://www.patreon.com/timesuckpodcastSign up through Patreon and for $5 a month you get to listen to the Secret Suck, which will drop Thursdays at Noon, PST. You'll also get 20% off of all regular Timesuck merch PLUS access to exclusive Space Lizard merch. You get to vote on two Monday topics each month via the app. And you get the download link for my new comedy album, Feel the Heat. Check the Patreon posts to find out how to download the new album and take advantage of other benefits

Throughout the 1980s, women, many of them very young women kept turning up dead along some of the same interstates around the southeastern United States. Soon, some similarities in the murders emerged. Besides most of the women being young, many of them had red or red-ish hair, and in a lot of cases they had been strangled in addition to being sexually assaulted. Also, most of the victims were Jane Does, women whom it seemed no one had reported missing. And at the time it appeared that no one was looking for them, or at least no one locally was looking for them. It was likely they had ended up far from home. As more and more of these victims were found, investigators started to wonder if the murders were the work of a serial killer. Various law enforcement agencies from numerous states met up to compare notes and discuss

possible suspects, and soon the series of killings was called the Redhead murders by the press. The possibility of a serial killer on the loose of course struck fear into the hearts of many who was cruising along these highways looking for victims brutally murdering red-headed young women dumping their bodies by the roadside and driving back out of the area. The more that investigators compared notes, the more they began to think that the evidence of one serial killer just didn't add up. It was now speculated that multiple killers were likely involved possibly multiple serial killers.

And that is still the speculation. Investigators still can't even say today with complete certainty how many victims there are, which cases are related, or even the identity of several of the victims. Making things harder, all the known suspects are now dead. In this week's episode, I'll provide the important known details of the Redhead murders. The challenges investigators have faced over the years in solving these crimes, how some

of the killings came to be attributed to the Bible Belt Strangler, and how a dedicated group of Tennessee students in recent years breathed new life into the investigation of who killed these women, and who were these women. Time for another true crime, ongoing mystery. It's only going to get harder and harder to get away with murder, thanks to continual forensic investigation tech advances, is my dad behind some or all of these murders, edition of TimeSuck. This is Michael McDonald and you're listening to TimeSuck. This is Michael McDonald and you're listening to TimeSuck. You're listening to TimeSuck.

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We'll go over known details of some of the lives of the known victims and the investigations in their deaths. Get to know a few of the main suspects and some of the murders. Talk about how important it still is to solve these cases, to give closure to the families and friends of the victims, even if the killers are certainly dead and look into some of the cool new science now being used to solve murder cases. It just keeps advancing. A lot of cool fucking meat sacks, pushing things forward. Here's how I'll break down this information today.

I'm going to start with an overview of the Redhead murders, followed by how a belief in an uncott serial killer known as the Bible Belt Strangler came into existence. Followed by brief discussion on why these cases are so difficult to solve, and then we'll get into the timeline, look at all the suspected redhead murder victims, one by one, as well as potential suspects, while learning about the new investigative techniques along the way. And I'll share some important details about my dad from time to time, shedding some insight into how he may very well be connected to all of this. Let us begin.

Initially, all the victims I'm covering today were linked, albeit loosely in several cases to the redhead murders. Series again of unsolved murders of mostly redheaded women in the US. Not the best name actually for these murders because a lot of the victims don't have red hair. Sometimes other details such as where the bodies were found, when the victims died, how the victims were killed is what linked them to the Redhead murders.

Occasionally the name, the press or law enforcement assigns to a group of murders believed to be connected in some way does not actually end up being the best fitting name. In this case, the press noticed that several victims had red hair. That name was tossed out, printed, stuck, even when several other victims did not have red hair. Now here we are. It is generally accepted that these murders took place between 1991 and 1990, but sources do differ on these dates since there are several examples of maybe this murder is connected to the other victims. Interestingly, my dad was

between the age of 27 and 36 during this stretch. He was in great shape during those years. I have the pictures to prove it, very strong. There are huge gaps in time where no one can conclusively account for his whereabouts. He did have a temper when he was younger and he loved the ladies, especially redheads. My first step mom was a redhead, talked a lot about how redheads really did it for him. Ready, met her in 1988 or 1989, I believe,

kind of in the thick of this. So, you know, adds up and he's a charming dude and he's not super stable makes one wonder Anyway, these murders took place in southern states such as Arkansas Kentucky, Mississippi, Pennsylvania, Tennessee, West Virginia, Georgia, and North Carolina My dad said he wasn't in those states or in those years, but would he admit that? He's connected all this. I don't think so Majority of these murders are currently believed to be the work of one or more unidentified male serial killers. The victim count ranges from six to 14 only some of the redhead murder victims have been identified. We'll cover all 14 maybe possibly connected murders or murders at least thought to be connected at

one time today in the timeline. Back in 1985, law enforcement agencies from multiple states first joined together to discuss the so-called redhead murders. Jefferson County Tennessee Sheriff David Davenport told the producers of the A&E series True Crime that at that time, they were focusing on nine to 10 murders of unidentified women who mostly did have red hair, excluding one brunette, you know, maybe a strawberry blonde. They were all found along different interstates. Davenport said that about the potential suspect, it was always thought at the time that it was a long distance truck driver.

Hmm. My dad's a good mechanic. He's taken apart cars, put them back together, started doing that right around 1981. Never been a long distance truck driver to my knowledge, but again, there's so much I don't know about him. And if you're new to time, stuff, by the way, don't get too confused about my dad comments.

You can ignore him. Maybe at your own peril, but you can't ignore him. Maybe just an old gag here. Or a real concern about a lot of crimes, especially unsolved crimes that I've had for quite some time. Tennessee Bureau of Investigation, Special Agent Brandon Elkins also spoke with A&E True Crime and said police did all they could do then, but the top notch technology

basically was blood typing, which only provides a circumstantial pattern at best. We were able to re-submit evidence using techniques we currently use, and we were able to obtain DNA evidence that ultimately led to solving the case. Now his use of the word solving here does not mean that all of these murders have been solved, because that's not even close to the case. Later forensic techniques have pretty conclusively solved two of the murders. A third looks pretty damn guilty. This third suspect in another one.

None of them ever stood trial though for the murders. They were already dead, as I mentioned. Recently the unknown killer linked to some of these murders has been given a new name, the title of the Bible Belt Strangler. And let me explain the connection between the so-called redhead murders and the so-called Bible Belt Strangler, since I was confused myself. Looking into this topic that the space lizard patrons and porters of this show voted for me to explore. On May 15, 2018, a small group of Elizabethan, Elizabeth X, Tennessee high school students, presented their research on the red headmers. They studied the victims, they profiled the suspected killer and came up with the moniker Bible belt stranger. Student Kayla Vandeventer told Knoxville local NBC affiliate

WBIR that they chose the name Bible belt stranger for the six victims they focused on, quote, because Nashville is the buckle of the Bible Belt and these surround Nashville, and we think Knoxville or Nashville is where the killer lived. The students have been working on the research for months. They've been led by their sociology teacher, Alex Campbell, who've been fascinated with some of the unsolved redhead

murders or an in and around Tennessee for years. And he wanted his students to not only learn something useful in his class, but to do something useful as well. In this case, he wanted them to learn what life is like for their fellow citizens who are living along the very bottom rungs of the socioeconomic ladder in America. Excuse me. And also, he wanted these students to simultaneously do something to help these fellow citizens. Campbell told WBIR, there's a whole other side of life we don't think

about much. And sometimes those people aren't represented and we wanted to do something to help them. His students believed that the suspect was slash is in the trucking industry and as referenced by the name that his preferred modus operandi operandi. It was strangulation. That word actually, I paused on it because Modus operandi, Modus operandi, both, both play. Five out of six cases, they primarily focused on were Jane Doe's at the time. Their efforts led to several being identified thanks to renewed interest in the case and advances in forensic investigation techniques. And these six victims will cover all these women in the timeline. They'll be six of the first nine victims I'll mention. And they were found in Wetzel County, West Virginia,

February, 1983. Crittenden County, Arkansas, September, 1974. Campbell County, Tennessee, January of 1975. Cheatham County, Tennessee, March, 1975. Knox County, Kentucky, April, 1975. And Green County, Tennessee, also April 9, 75. Alex Campbell had the students analyze 11 unsolved murders in total and Tennessee and other states. We'll actually go over all 11 the timeline and a few extra murders that have been lumped in together with all this and he and his students found similarities among the six I just listed.

All these victims were thin white women with red hair, killed between 1983 and 1995, they were suffocated or strangled, and found close to major roadways. And the police believed that all of them were hitchhikers or sex workers for both. These six victims did not show evidence of sexual assault, so they theorized that the killer murdered them because he thought they were, quote, harmful to society. Student created an eight-page profile of the killer in May of 2018. You can find it in its entirety online. Just link from this episode's notes if you'd like to. But I will share most of it here right now. It's fucking excellent. Very impressed. Again, this is this is high school students putting this together. Here's the profile. Sex,

male, rationale. The killer only prays on females and serial killers almost always target the opposite sex, or those they feel sexual attraction to unless it is a comfort killer. The killer was able to overpower the victims attacking up close with bare hands. Along with this, the distance between the roads and location of the discovered bodies is significant. Dozens of yards away and up-down gradients to the dump sites without drag marks or use of any mechanical advantage, which shows the killer had to have enough strength to carry the bodies over broken ground, indicating a larger and stronger male's ability to overpower a smaller and weaker

female. There has been no recorded instance of a female serial killer who used physical strength or up close methods of killing. Females are almost always comfort killers that use poison, rarely using weapons, guns, knives, axes, etc. which give a female power over a male to kill. Females almost always kill people they know, in this situation the suspect is killing unknown people. Also assuming the killer was a commercial truck driver, nearly all in this time period

were male. Age. Data birthed no later than 1962 1962 but no earlier than 1936. Ration out. I love how they broke this down. Nearly all serial killers begin their murders in their late teens or early to mid-20s. The age in which most mental disorders often manifest themselves and are diagnosedable. The killer would need to be relatively full grown in order to accomplish the killings since they were committed with bare hands. The killer must also be of, be of or above the legal age required to possess a commercial driver's license in order to carry out the killings at such a long distance.

The upper end of the age range would be 48 at the time of the last known victim. There comes a time when age slash health slash strength will become a limiting factor in killing with your bare hands and moving adult bodies over a distance. We filled around 50 would be the time period. This would begin to limit his physical ability to no longer conduct the crimes in the same way. Height, five nine to six two, ration out. The killer must be average height or taller in order to overpower the victims efficiently.

I guess these kids haven't seen a lot of short strong guys. But they continue, it would be not, it would not be practical for the killer to attack someone bigger and taller due to the fact that bare hands were used to kill. Okay, make sense. If the killer had to carry victims to the dump site, the suspect would need to be able to hoist them and carry them without leaving evidence

of the body's movement. A limit on height slash size is necessary. Because if a trucker was inordinately large, the suspect may frighten a potential victim or draw unwanted attention at the truck stops, restaurants, and rest areas that truckers frequent. I have a lot of thought about this. Weight, 180 to 270 pounds. Rashed it out, the killer must be average to above average weight in order to have the confidence that needed to overpower, they needed to overpower the victims

and move the bodies with only brute strength. It is likely that the killer has a muscular build because of the method of killing and disposing of the bodies. Since the suspect is considered to be a truck driver, which is often sedentary, extra weight, especially in an older suspect, would be suspected. Weight also factors into the successful methods of killing, strangulation, suffocation and blunt forced trauma. We can also conclude that since the suspect is most likely from or living in the South for

a long period of time, and the South is consistently rated as the most overweight section of the contiguous US, that there is a higher chance that extra body weight is carried. Just fucking cold logic. Love it. Where does he live? Slash work. Honor around Interstatestate 40, slash Knoxville, Tennessee, region, rationale. A job as a truck driver most assuredly requires a suspect to frequently travel Interstate 40. All of the murders

trend along the I 40 corridor or along roads that branch off from the Interstate, such as I 75 and I 81. We've heard that many of the possible Jane Does outside of the main six are from areas that do not fit this pattern and can thus be excluded. The only victim that has not found along an interstate is the Wetzel County West Virginia victim who was only found along a state highway. We do recognize the difference in this one, this one part of the M.O., but also feel that this was most likely the first known victim by looking at police data from the crime and estimations of time of death. It would not be

that unusual to find a small change in M.O. after the first victim, which does not indicate a change in signature. That road still connects to major cities in West Virginia and the victim was seen possibly hitchhiking from one of those. Knoxville appears to be at the geographical center of the murders and also has I-40 going through it as well. We feel that anywhere along the I-40 corridor running from Knoxville to Nashville is a possibility. There are more bodies found along interstates to connect through Knoxville, slash Campbell,

Knox and Green County victims. We feel that the killer either lives in a close proximity to Knoxville or works out of there as a part of a job. Nashville is another possibility, however, unless there are unknown victims that would shift the Greek, gee, yeah, geographical center of the killings, we feel that Nashville only appears to be a possibility

because of its proximity to I-40 in size. Motive to kill, mission, but cannot rule out a lust sexual component, ration out. There is evidence that the killer could be motivated by a mission, thrill, or power slash control. We feel that a mission-oriented motive is the most likely motive. We have excluded lust as a singular motive, since murders of this motivation usually involve overkill and a sexual nature to the crime including rape, object penetration, and necrophilia. We cannot totally exclude lust as a

possible motive as the victims were found nude or partially clothed and most of the victims who all have similar physical features were most likely in the sex industry of prostitution. We also do feel or do not feel that it is a thrill killer because they often perform aberrant sexual actions upon the victim. Use a weapon to torture the victim, rape the victim, and usually perform object penetration. We also do not feel that it is a power slash control killer because there is almost always evidence of victim torture before death. Binding of the victim including ligatures, aberrant sexual activity, rape, object penetration,

and necrophilia. We feel that this killer is most likely a mission-oriented, unknown subject due to the fact that the killer's motive matches best with the characteristics of a mission killer. After using a table produced by law enforcement to narrow the motives of serial killers by using characteristics of their crimes, mission oriented scored a 13 out of a possible 15, while thrill scored 11, and power slash control scored 10. There were no signs of rape, necrophilia, torture, binding of hands, feet, torture weapons, ruling out almost all other categories besides mission.

Mission-oriented killers often see their victims as a means to accomplish an end. Most of the time these killers attack elements of society that they see as undesirable or harmful to society, thus convincing themselves they are, quote, helping save society by cleansing it of its undesirables. This often leads them to killing prostitutes, homosexuals, homeless, etc. The victims in this case were most likely prostitutes and the suspect may feel a duty to quote clean the world of trash. There are only three areas that the mission hypothesis does not totally correlate with the expected results. Movement of body after death,

strangling is a cause of death, and rape of the victim. We feel the body movement can be explained by several factors. First, many mission-oriented killers are often mentally troubled, suffering from schizophrenia, or paranoid schizophrenia. Because of this, they do not move bodies as they actually believe they are doing good instead of breaking a law.

Obviously, our killer knows laws are being broken, taking extensive precautions to cover any trace of identity. The suspect appears to not only be mentally sane, but also at least average to above average intelligence. Oftentimes, mission killers do not use strangulation as the cause of death. Our killer use strangulation on some victims, but also use suffocation and blunt force trauma to the head as causes of death. We feel that this is not a serious problem with our killer. With many mission killers, there is often sexual assault or rape of the victim. This is not present in our killer, but the suspect does leave victims nude or partially clothed.

We feel that this mindset of seeing the prostitutes as dirty and evil may prevent sexual contact with these victims, although some pleasure is extracted from addressing the bodies and leaving them exposed. Occupation, truck driver, rationale, the killer must travel frequently. As all of the bodies, except one, were found next to the interstate, with one being beside a major highway between moderately large cities within a state. Commercial truck drivers have a larger radius for travel than most other jobs. The commercial freight line would provide more concealment and space to hide slash transport

bodies over multiple days, as evidence suggests a couple of the bodies were not dumped until several days after their death, giving the suspect frequent access and opportunity. That's really smart. No. Truck stop beside the interstate is totally normal and would not call as much attention as a car stop beside the interstate would the motor carrier regulatory reform and modernization act more commonly known as the Motor Carrier Act of 1980, was a law that deregulated the trucking industry.

Since the law was passed, a number of new firms increased dramatically. By 1990, the number of licensed carriers exceeded 40,000, more than twice that of 1980. Combined with the Stagger's Act of 1980, Intermodal freight transport surged, expanding 70% between 1991 and 1996, this caused tens of thousands of more jobs to open up in the trucking industry, which possibly could have caused the unknown subject to be employed in one of those new jobs, thus providing the opportunity to kill as never experienced before. Possibly this new exposure to the prostitution trade as a truck driver could have been the trigger that fueled the mission-oriented motive for killing. We feel the truck driver hypothesis is more likely than others who travel for their

jobs like salesmen, nurses, etc. The reason is that suspects kill and dump where they feel comfortable. Salesmen may travel the interstates, but most of their interaction with people is away from the interstates in town and business areas. If they desire to kill prostitutes, they would acquire them in the cities. If the killer were traveling a traveling member of the healthcare community, he, she would most likely acquire victims in and around healthcare facilities. Many serial killers have killed patients and those in the facilities for the age, aged and if this killer were a member of the healthcare community, he, she would most likely follow that pattern. Race, white, rationale.

Only Caucasians are sufficiently evil enough to commit acts like these. Our teachers made it clear to us that white men are the bane of human existence, and if there were any true justice, all white men would be put to death immediately. Think about it. Hitler, Stalin, Ted Bundy, Jim Jones, Ed Camper, Dan's Dad, all white men, all evil killers. JK, no they didn't provide that rationale. Here's they provided. Rationale, all the victims are Caucasian. It is most common for serial killers to kill victims of the same race.

Over 90% do. Most killers are comfortable killing victims of the same race as they often are found in areas that are rationally homogenous to themselves and do not stand out when acquiring victims. The percentage of African-American truck drivers in the 1980s was presumably lower than the average percentage for African Americans and other jobs as trucking did require some form of certification to qualify for the job. It will be also much less suspicious in the South, which still experienced overt racism for a white to acquire white victims.

It would therefore be much less suspicious of the perpetrator of a white and the same race as his victim. Personal relationships. Yes, possible long term relationships. Rationale. The killer shows all the signs of being an organized killer by acquiring, killing, and dumping bodies in separate states. He also lures victims instead of just killing them where they are found.

Therefore, it is most likely that the suspect is at least average to slightly above average in his intelligence and understands basic police techniques, which has aided his ability to remain undetected. His above average IQ helps to understand that these desires are not normal and must be hidden using what Harvey cleverly referred to as the Mask of Sanity. He makes those around him feel that he is normal and makes others feel at ease in his presence. Even though underneath he has a brutal desire to kill. He gives prostitutes and hitchhikers to go with him. Although they are more willing to do so, even members of those communities will not go with a

person that appears violent, strange, or just off. This ability will likely lead to heightened communication skills which may lead him to being perceived as having an awkward sense of innocence, but an approachable demeanor. Organized killers are often capable of serious or long-term relationships, Ted Bundy was engaged, Dennis Raider was married, etc. This killer will most likely have been involved with serious relationships, including girlfriends, even long-term, and possibly even a wife. He will also probably have close friends that after being told may have seen some warning signs, like sudden rage or rants against his victim type,

but will most likely be surprised that he was responsible for so many violent and brutal acts. Relative location of residents around Knoxville or Nashville. Rationale, Knoxville may be considered the center of the crimes if the Wetzel County victim is included. If Wetzel County is not included, Nashville is a geographic center. It is likely the suspect resides in one of these cities for access to the multiple dumping sites and access to interstates and roads. We do feel that the Wetzel County West Virginia victim may be exhibiting unusual signs as it was most likely the first

victim. Religion slash religious motivation motivation, slash affiliation, possibly Christian, rationale, the killers likely to live in and around the Bible belt in which the percentage of evangelical Christian adults is over 50% of most parts. Those numbers of practicing evangelicals were also higher in the 1980s than present. Nashville is also known as the buckle of the Bible belt. If the killer resides in this state, he is likely exposed to a large amounts of Christianity from his family and society, even if he or his family is not devout. Medical history slashes physical wounds, defensive wounds from victims. Rationale, the killer may have possible scars or marks on his body from the victims trying to defend themselves.

Since the suspect kills victims with bare hands and close contact, it would likely be likely they scratch, clawed, slapped, and bit in an attempt to save their lives. This would not require medical attention and is often easily explained away as side effects of the job as a trucker loading and securing cargo. Family history, unstable home, absent father, domineering mother, rationale. It is likely that the killer grew up in an unstable home. The family members may have abused drugs or alcohol, which led to an increasingly unstable home,

which included fights between adults, angry outbursts, etc. There could also be a heightened chance that the Suspect grew up with a mother of undesirable characteristics as females are targeted. Having a frequently absent or not intimately involved, father also most likely contributed to the Suspect's attacks. Writer left-handed, right-handed. Rationale, well the majority of people in the US are right handed. IQ 100 plus. Rationale, the killer was organized and nearly all organized killers have

historically had had IQs in the average to slightly above average range. It is suspected that the crimes were committed in a different place than the bodies were dumped. When bodies were taken from the original crime scene and disposed of another place, this almost always indicates an organized killer. Consider that none of the original crime scenes including a place of abduction or death are known, it is almost assuredly an organized offender

giving credence to the rationale of an average to above average IQ, sexuality's heterosexual, rationale, serial killers tend to target the gender they're attracted to. And this suspect only targets females. Also, over 98% of the population surveyed in the 80s was listed as heterosexual. It is true that we feel that the perpetrator seems to be mission oriented. Due to the fact, he, she is killing possible prostitutes because they are often deemed

dirty or undesirable. This may not assure that he is heterosexual by himself, but he at least feels comfortable in the situation hiring a female for sexual activity, which we feel almost assuredly makes the suspect heterosexual. Criminal history, possible solicitation, rationale of victims are suspected sex workers, transients, and a strange from their families. Due to the fact victims go unreported for very long periods of time and were picked up on the side of the road, it can be inferred that the victims are estranged from their families.

Procedutes are also very popular with truck drivers. Silicon Killer may have been cited before for similar occurrences. He made sure to pick victims that probably would not have been missed. There also may be some history of various common variety, criminal activities such as public intoxication, angry outbursts, etc. Considering the suspect as a truck driver, it would not be unlikely that traffic citations associated with a job were required. Almost done here, but build, thick, stocky. Where rationale, the perpetrator is able to

strangles, suffocate, and bludgeon victims with physical superiority. There is no evidence of any physical weapons, meaning that killer is confident enough to attack the victim without a weapon. He is also physically able to carry bodies to the side of the interstate. Along with the fact, the assumed, along with the fact the assumed lens itself to short period. A physically demanding labor, all of these characteristics combined to give an average to above average. Athletic, stocky, slightly overweight, build mental health, no history. Rationale, similar to the majority of organized serial killers, the perpetrator operates in a manner that does not draw suspicion the killer is able to keep the mask of sanity despite being mentally disturbed so there is most likely no reported history of mental health issues with the killer

however, you know, they're may they may actually be mentally ill so anyway what a profile hail Alex Campbell and students interestingly my dad is heterosexual. Born between 1936 and 1962, right? Born in 1954, weighed between 180 to 170 pounds, right around 185 during the killings. Stand about 5'11, barely six foot, perfectly between 5'9 and 6'2. It was raised Christian by a Pentecostal pastor,

definitely identified as Christian back then. Had problems with his mom, mom was very domineering, right? Dad was a little emotionally distant, very strong hands from years of construction work. He beaten people up for sure on the time, checked acid arm wrestling. Kind of makes me think he would have been pretty good at strangling. And look, I'm not saying that my dad is the Bible about strangler to be clear, he probably didn't even live in Knoxville or Nashville. Might not have been a truck driver, but who knows? I just don't know where the fuck he was most of the time back then. Before jumping back into the student's presentation about the Bible Belt Strangler, since I already

popped out of this story to talk about my dad's concerns, or I guess my, my concerns with my dad. Let's take a quick mid-show sponsor break. Thanks for still listening, and I am sure you'll listen carefully to all those ads and jot it down a lot of notes. And now let's get back into this story. These same students theorized that the killer stopped killing or at least moved on to killing victims somewhere else when he quit working as a truck driver.

During their press conference, one student read a letter from a 34 year old woman named Elizabeth Pilgrim, who believes she might be the daughter of the Kentucky victim. Pilgrim was quoted by the Times Tribune as saying, hopefully this team can find the person they committed these awful crimes. These women were somebody to someone and each and every one deserves for their story to be known and just as to be served. The hope of one day finding what happened to her has never left my thoughts. I feel like what I've been waiting for all these years is unfolding before me. Elizabeth was right about her mom. I will share more details in the timeline.

A law enforcement of various counties attended the presentation. Hope that the publicity would lead to some new tips. The class following the presentation worked with law enforcement to learn about profiling in case details. Also worked with Indiana investigative journalists and podcasters Shane Waters, who hosts the podcast out of the shadows. I'm not sure if that's currently active, but at least it was. Waters traveled thousands of miles to the crime scenes.

The students focused on the victims believed to be the Bible belt strangle victims, and they put up six crosses to represent the six victims. Alex Campbell closed the press conference by stating, Bible belt strangler, we know you're out there. We know someone saw something. And after today, everyone knows we are looking for you. We are our sisters keepers. We are their family. Okay, so why had Elizabeth been waiting so long

to find out about her mom? Why have these murders been so difficult to solve? Jeff Summers wrote about the difficulties in the Redhead murders case in a 2022 grunge article titled Why the Redhead Murders Remained Unsolved. In most cases, the victims were not very close to their families at the times of their disappearances. Some of them were likely homeless and may have done sex work, making them members as we've been reminded over and over in our true crime episodes here of an extremely vulnerable population. The police described the women as lost in society according to Knoxville news.

Also summers wrote excuse me. Yes. Okay. Jeff Summer Jeff making sure I send the right thing. Also Jeff Summer's wrote that doesn't mean that individual officers didn't care or do their best to investigate the crimes. But the low social status of the victims combined with the lack of grieving family members, pushing for updates and media covers to elevate the cases in the public eye resulted in a lack of urgency.

You know, it's sad reality of life. The squeaky wheel does tend to get the grease, and no one was squeaking, or most of these women were concerned. And I wish I could have thought of a better analogy there, by the way, the squeaky wheel gets the grease phrase, is an apt reference for this comparison, but no one was squeaking. It's just not a cool thing to say. Doesn't sound cool.

Another reason these murders went on saw was the lack of the same forensic tools we have now. DNA analysis was a brand new investigative tool, not employed by all law enforcement agencies when the redhead murders occurred. And it was not used when the bodies were first found. However, as the years have passed, DNA from these victims has been uploaded to national databases, and in several cases has led to the identification of the victims, as you will soon find out. Did another reason these murders were not solved back in the 80s was jurors' dictionals.

Jurors' Dictionals! Explicitables there. Confusion. Too many cooks in the kitchen to quote another old saying, and no one was cooking in these women's kitchens. That phrase doesn't work at all when you try and change it that way. But there were too many cooks. At least seven law enforcement agencies were working on the different cases.

And that led to confusion about the actual number of victims. There was a lack of everyone having the same evidence, et cetera. Super fucking dark and sad additional reason these murders were never solved is that these kinds of murders were probably still are super common. The LA Times reported back in the 80s that the FBI believed there may have been more than 750 US highway murder victims across the US.

And the FBI had a list of 450 potential suspects in those murders. FBI also believed that many of the killers were likely truck drivers. So sadly, these murders were just a few of many, many unsolved murders involving women dumped along the side of the road likely killed by truck drivers around this time. And further complicating all of this is that the victims were far from home. The victims who have been identified were not residents of those areas where they were found. That made it so much harder to identify the victims and thus from home. The victims who have been identified were not residents of those areas where they were found. That made it so much harder to identify the victims

and thus figure out who they'd been seen with, right? To, you know, to, so they could zero in on a suspect, which would have been a lot easier if the victims were local. Finally, with these murders, there was the advantage of picking up victims and later dumping their bodies long the side of so many remote stretches

of America's freeways and highways, right? Which at night, there's likely not going to be any witnesses. And this is why we have, you know, covered so many serial killers who have done this. The three freeway killers come to mind first, Patrick Trashbag killer, Karney or Kerni, William Bonan and his death fan and Randy the scorecard killer, Kraft, the federal aid highway act of 1956 led to the construction of the U.S.'s national system of interstates and defense highways over 42,000 miles of new asphalt across the nation. And all these new roads made the

transportation we now rely on for the quick movement of goods possible and it has helped our lives tremendously improve them greatly but there's also an a dark side this development. Ginger Strand wrote in her book, Killer on the Road, Violence to the American Interstate. Before the concrete was dry in the new roads, however, a specter began haunting them, the highway killer. Some of these criminals were imagined, but many were real. Highway violence followed hard on the heels of interstate construction. The nation's murder rate shot up in the 60s and 70s. America became more violent and more mobile at the same time. Yeah, highways can be very useful

tools for killers. Very dangerous places for victims. For killers, they provide easy escape routes. Vulnerable hitchhikers can be picked up by anyone driving on these highways. And victims can be dumped, you know, and so, so many places outside of towns and heavily wooded areas just off the side of the road. All that makes me think about the highway I grew up along. For most of my childhood, I lived within about 100 yards of highway 95. It connects northern and southern Idaho. And long stretches this highway, like most of the 45 mile stretch north of where I grew up are so remote, so dark at night.

So dark that Lindsey does not like to drive this highway at night. It creeps her out. The road follows the main fork of the salmon river most of the time. Is it cuts to a very narrow little canyon fenced in by steep mountain ridges on each side. That means you get a lot less of the sky than you would, uh, uh, you know, on a prairie. So there's going to be less light, less stars, you know, less likely the moon's gonna illuminate anything, and there's no street lights at all for long stretches, very, very few homes, so no lights there, no witnesses. Also thanks to big bends in the road, right,

which fall in the river, you can see any and all approaching cars coming from like a mile or more away in many places, so you generally have like in these places, 60 or more seconds to hide whatever shady shit you're doing, like a body and there's a whole bunch of these little cancels right next to the road but also down below the road and next to the river and often they're hidden behind some pine trees or sometimes they're up above the road. You know tucked behind a little bank of dirt or the highway's cutting through some mountains. Basically in addition to the remoteness they're just so fucking many places to quickly hide whereas long as you kill your engine,

turn off all your lights, no one passing by is gonna know you're there. Also very little law enforcement patrolling this area. People cruising by when they are cruising by, do so at 65 miles per hour plus. Generally don't have their windows down, so even if someone were screaming from one of these campgrounds, who would hear them?

No one lives near many of these little campgrounds. And in the winter most of the time, no one's camping there. Also in the winter at night, zero boat traffic on the river. And yet I've seen lone hitchhikers in this area over the years. I've seen young women out by themselves

on the side of this highway with the thumbs out. I'm sure my dad has, you know, he lived around this area for a long time. But it's terrifying. And even if you're not hitchhiking in this area, if you're picked up by someone somewhere else and now they're driving you through this area, they could so easily hide your remains, dump you in the river, et cetera. So if you're ever thinking about getting into a stranger's vehicle for any reason, going for a ride, think about shit like I just went over and maybe don't get into their vehicle.

Maybe go to the YWCA, we have a place called Safe Passage here in Cordo Lane, go to a place that help people in need, if you don't have the money, and you need to get away to escape some violence, lover or whatever, just take a breath, take a beat, hide in a place where you can gather a little bit of fun to get a bus ticket or something as opposed to risking your life hitchhiking.

Yeah, there are just places all over the US, where you can so easily disappear. Friends and advancements, they don't matter if no one can find your remains. Okay, now that I've just gone over how difficult it was to solve these murders, and hopefully not given any killers any good ideas on where they should hide their next bodies in Idaho County, let's examine the murders themselves. Learn a bit about the victims when we can. Also learn a bit about who likely killed some of these women when we can, and find out who some of these Jane Does actually were thanks to advances in forensic investigative technology,

and renewed interest in these murders partially due to those Elizabeth X Tennessee high school students led by their sociology teacher, Alex Campbell, hasn't heard either. It is Timeline time. Shrap on those boots soldier, we're marching down a time-sug timeline. May 25, 1981, a Jane Doe's dead body is found in a low water crossing on highway M.M near Dixon, Pulaski County, Missouri. She had been living just five or four to five hours earlier. She was beaten and strangled and left in the shallow water. A pair of pantyhose wrapped around her neck.

The woman was wearing quote stylish clothing, had expensive dental work and seemed to be in good health. Believed to be aged anywhere from 25 to 40. The victim had black hair, but has been linked by some to the redhead murders based on a similar MO. Not thought to be one of the Bible belt-strangler victims. She was named the Polaski County Jane Doe.

Isotope testing showed that she hadn't lived in Missouri for more than a few years, and she probably spent most of her life in the South Eastern US. And I don't remember hearing about isotope testing when it comes to determining where a victim lived before. So let's talk about this for a moment, pretty fascinating technological advancement, I think, when it comes to helping solve cold cases and also helping a little at least to find their

killer. It seems from what I can determine that isotope testing was first used a little over 20 years ago by law enforcement. Per 2019 information, it is estimated that 4,400 unidentified bodies are recovered just in the US each year, with a thousand of them remaining unidentified after one year. All told, there were again as of 2019 more than 40,000 sets of human remains listed as unidentified in the US. Thanks to modern forensic technology, now in cases where medical examiners are limited by the information that DNA analysis can provide, forensic anthropologists are often able to help

identify victims. Specialists in the hard tissues of the body, such as teeth, bones, fingernails, even hair, forensic anthropologists can now tell the story of the disease by providing a biological profile. This profile includes the sex, age, ancestry, living, staturate time of death, and a rough post-mortem interval. They're also able to determine if trauma or disease was present, and they're able to do all this thanks to increased understanding of isotopes. So cool. The scientific definition of an isotope is this, a form of a chemical element in which the atoms have the same number of protons, but a different number of neutrons. For example, carbon 12, carbon 13, carbon 14, all different isotopes of carbon. What does that really mean?

Fuck a fine on not a scientist, but I do know. Thanks to reading some different articles about all this, that different parts of the world have different isotopes and different amounts of various isotopes, that they form a type of a geographic fingerprint and examining the types and concentrations of isotopes in someone's remains allows forensic anthropologists to determine where someone roughly lived, which is crazy. The earliest example I can find a law enforcement using isotopes to try and solve a cold case comes from a government article about this originated in Salt Lake City. Salt Lake County Homicide Detective Todd Park was in Reno, Nevada for a conference about serial killers in 2007 when he

first heard about what he called the isotope stuff. A colleague at the meeting described the forensic potential of isotope research being done by Iso Forensics, a Salt Lake City company, and Park quickly realized that the science might help him identify the victim in a homicide case he'd worked on seven years earlier. Park, a cold case specialist with the unified police of greater Salt Lake called Jim L. L. Ringer, a University of Utah biology professor and ISO forensic senior scientist and told him about the case of Salt Hare Sally. In October of 2000, some duck hunters found some of this woman's remains, a cranium, teeth, about two dozen bones, and a little scrap of hair. Nothing more.

In some desolate, brushland near Saltara, a resort area on the banks to great Salt Lake. Her body may be there for a year, maybe two. It was the first case of its kind for isopherensics. The firm's scientists conducted isotope racial analysis on 26 centimeters of the woman's hair, provided by the Utah State Office of the Medical Examiner. The length of the hair was important that iso forensics research scientists Brett Tipple, because it acts like a film strip. Measuring changes in the oxygen isotope ratios along the length of the hair, he said create

a chronology that helps investigators when they are trying to put together a person's travel history. That's fucking wild. They can do this shit now. The science behind the measurements is based on the naturally occurring isotopes of oxygen and a strontium. Yeah, strontium. The ratio between two oxygen isotopes, 180 and 160, reflects the water supply in the region where a person lived, because the ratio differs slightly in different geographic regions based on geologic, climactic, climatic, environmental factors, these isotopes can be linked to where a person originated. Compared to the rate shows of two strontium isotopes working much the same way. Water is the key in creating a travel history from an individual hair. Because isotopes found in hair

Are your flexion of the water that people drink ingested in the case of oxygen and the water in which they bathe or shower deposited in the case of strontium We are pretty wet animals Tiple says we as humans typically get in the shower every day or every evening Because water isotope ratios are stored in an individual's hair based on the specific geographic region where the person lives, hair analysis can reveal a history of the person's location and movement. Tipple whose research has been supported by the National Institute of Justice since 2011 has been developing databases and models to help accurately link isotope ratios to the

geographical region from which they come. Tipple has created water and hair isotope landscapes, or isoscapes by taking hundreds of water and hair samples from all over the nation. In addition to linking people to various water profiles through their hair, other scientists have created other profiles for atmosphere, the soil, and more, and they can test teeth and bones in addition to hair. Lead isotopic analysis has proved to be a very efficient tool for linking remains with areas associated with identifiable amounts of lead pollution.

Analysis of mineralized tissues like tooth and amul support the old adage that you are what you eat. Consumption of processed foods makes this a little trickier now, but apparently forensic anthropologists still usually have enough to work with to figure out where you were eating, what you were eating when you were still alive. So hail forensic anthropologists help them bring closure to more victims, you know, their families That was previously possible And I got to wonder what the isotopic analysis of my dad will reveal

One of these days I'm gonna have to fucking get some tranquilizer darts Just knock him out for a couple hours and run some tests for the good humanity for the safety of our society to knock him out for a couple of hours and run some tests. For the good of humanity, for the safety of our society. Circling back this particular timeline body, the woman was buried in a Jane Doe grave in a local cemetery way back in 1991. However, she is a Jane Doe no longer. On May 25th, 2021, the Polaski County Sheriff's Department

announced that the identification, or announced the identification, 40 years after the Jane Doe was found. She was 32-year-old Karen Kay Nippers. Karen Nippers was born in Florida in December of 1948, lived in St. Louis shortly before she was murdered. Investigators unfortunately still don't know why she was in Poleski County on the day she was killed. So how in the hell was she finally identified? Well, in 2012, Lieutenant Doddy Taylor from Missouri State Highway Patrol entered

Karen's DNA into the national missing and identified person's system database. Detective DJ Rennell from the Sheriff's Department had gotten permission to look at the case again. Then in 2015, the wheels of justice, they turned so slow sometimes, but a corner, McHale Hartness got a court order to exume Karen's remains and extract DNA. Five years later, in December of 2020, the DNA Doe project in Sebastopol, California, not founded until 2017, now found a possible relative of Karen's

from Alexandria, Virginia. The relative informed detectives that a sister went missing in the early 80s. The relative provided the DNA sample came up as a fucking match. Here we go. A little more on the DNA Doe project. It's a nonprofit volunteer organization created to help identify John and Jane Doe's using forensic genealogy. It was just founded in 2017 by Colleen M. Fitzpatrick and Margaret Press. Fitzpatrick has a doctorate in physics, worked as a nuclear physicist for NASA and the Department of Defense, also founded Identifiers, an organization that uses why

chromosomal testing to identify killers and unsolved murders. It's a fucking hail calling if it's Patrick. And press is a novelist who has also worked in computer programming, speech and language consulting. And she started helping her friends and acquaintances find their relatives in 2007 because she's a pretty good sleuth, Hill Margaret Press. As a 2021, the most recent New York and fine data for them, this organization has assisted in discovering the identity of more than 50 individuals with 44 cases being publicized as being identified. These are cases that were very hard to solve.

February 13, 1983, another Jane Doe was found alongside round 250 near Little Tin, Wetzel County, West Virginia. The first of the six victims, that the Elizabeth Tin Tennessee High School class focused in on as being a probable victim of one serial killer, the Bible Belt Strangler. The elderly couple who found her thought she was a mannequin at first. The woman had clearly been put there recently because there was snow on the ground but not on her body. Fresh tire tracks and footprints also indicated that someone had recently dumped her in that location. The police concluded that she had died two days earlier, and surprisingly, for these kinds of murders, was not sexually assaulted. Police believed she was strangled,

but a not-topsy could not conclusively identify her cause of death. The woman was white, age 35 to 45, with Auburn hair, 5'6", 135 pounds with brown eyes. She had but look like a C-section scar and another scar on her index finger. Some witness is described seeing a stocky middle-aged white man near the area where she was found. He may have been driving in a 1978 to 1980 two-tone Chevy truck, and holy shit. Not even Kitty, my fucking dad used to drive a two-tone Chevy truck and holy shit

Not even kidding my fucking dad used to drive a two-tone Chevy truck Silverado. I think it was 1979 He loved that truck. I wish I knew what happened to it Maybe collect as much DNA as possible from it if we could find it run through some databases see what comes up Hmm Anyway, it's possible that the woman was last seen alive in Wheeling, West Virginia Either as an employer or customer at a bar based on some tips to police Anyway, it's possible that the woman was last seen alive in Wheeling, West Virginia, either as an employer or a customer at a bar based on some tips to police. She became known as the Wetzel County Jane Doe and was later linked to the Redhead murders in 1985 and of course linked to the Bible Belt Strangler in 2018.

Possible that the woman based on other tips was a sex worker in Pittsburgh. One investigator believes she might have been connected to a heracryishna commune in West Virginia. This fucking commune. This commune is called new Vrendobin, built on over 1200 acres in northern West Virginia in 1968. Supposedly around a hundred people still live there. At his peak in the early 80s, there was around 500 living there, and it seems to have once housed a dangerous sex cult. Around the time this Jane Doe would have lived there if she did in the early eighties, according to later press that came out in the mid eighties, charges of arson, insurance fraud, child molestation, forced prostitution of members, murder, drug running, stockpiling weapons, racketeering and more leveled against

this commune's leadership. Cult, cult, cult. And perhaps a sock for another day. Investigators had hoped to identify this Jane Doe by the fitted dentures she wore. They searched dental records in West Virginia, Ohio and Pennsylvania, but were never able to find a match. And she sadly does still remain unidentified. On September 16, 1994, a third Jane Doe was found along interstate 40 near West Memphis, Cretan, Dyn County, Arkansas, second possible Bible belt, Strangler, victim, Hitchhiker found the body 20 miles west near West Memphis, Crittenden County, Arkansas, second possible Bible belt strangler victim.

Hitchhiker found the body 20 miles west of West Memphis. The woman was wearing only a sweater, had also been strangled. She wasn't a redhead, but did have strawberry blonde hair, so red-ish. All the following summer on June 25th, 1905, Arkansas law enforcement announced they had identified this woman,

found on I-40 as 28 year old Lisa Ann Nich Nichols and announced she was linked to the redhead murders. Lisa originally from West Virginia, also went by the names of Lisa and Jarvis and Lisa Fuller and she had long worked as a sex worker. A Metro Nashville Metro Nashville vice squad sergeant told the Tennessee in a 1924 that Lisa had quote the second longest prostitute record in Nashville and Davidson County. Uh, okay. That's, that's a weird thing to say, right? Like why not just say sex worker?

Why add that she, she almost had the record for most prostitution arrests. It just feels like maybe, maybe it wasn't meant to come across that way, but it feels like as in victim blaming, like maybe not the best shit to say to that way, but it feels like as some victim blaming. Like maybe not the best shit to say to the press, you know, gives me a vibe of life. Oh, shit. She wasn't just a sex worker. No, she sucked all the dicks. I'm not surprised.

This is where she ended up. At least I was identified by a jailhouse informant who was also a Pimp on June 26, 9.10. He fired the Tennessee and reported the Pimp who's in a Florida jail told police he last saw Jarvis getting into a tractor trailer. September 12, 19.04 at a truck stop outside Shearerville. Authorities believed she was killed within 24 hours of when she was last seen work in the truck stop.

Man, too bad that fucker didn't write down license plates. If you know if he had, they would have now this guy. January 1st, 19.05, a fourth Jane Do was found, down in an embankment off Interstate 75 near Jeleco, Campbell County, Tennessee. Third suspected Bible belt strangler victim. Taurus who were taking some pictures along I-75 found her body. She had been wrapped in a blanket, was bound and gagged and appeared to have been beaten. The woman's autopsy found that she was strangled and probably died several days before she was found. She was also two to five months pregnant. Her description was listed as a white woman with shoulder length curly red hair, likely

age 17 to 25, a possibly as old as 30. Had green eyes, freckles, several scars on her body, had a partial upper denture for two false teeth. The woman was found wearing a tan, velour Blouse and jeans had no shoes on. On September 6, 2018, over three decades after her body was discovered, this Jane Doe was identified finally. As 20-year-old Tina Marie McKenney Farmer,

a woman from Indiana, just over three months after the presentation, given by those Elizabeth X Tennessee high school students. In this case, that did not lead to her identification, though. A lot of additional investigative work was already being done by the time they gave that presentation. 20-year-old Tina Marie McKenney-Farmer was last seen by those who knew her Thanksgiving day, 1984,

almost six weeks before she was killed, reported missing soon after Thanksgiving. In 1992, Tina's sister Sandra Price called the Indianapolis police to remind them it had been eight years since Tina went missing and she and the rest of the family wanted some fucking answers Well, they'd have to wait another 26 years In November of 2016 TBI special agent Brandon Elkins resubmitted Tina's clothing and the blanket that was wrapped around her to the Tennessee Bureau of investigation Crime lap

Seaman was found on those items a DNA profiles entered into into Cotus and they got a match. A man named Jerry Leon Johns born in 1948. More on this piece of shit in a second. In August of 2018, agents were TV tip about a missing person's blog that had featured a photo of Tina Farmer, Tina Massey description of the Campbell County Jane Doe, TBI Intelligence Analysis or analyst, excuse me, Amy Emberton found a fingerprint car with Tina's prints. Tina's prints were on file because she was arrested in 1983. In August of 2018, investigators asked Detective Nick Hubs

of the Indianapolis Metropolitan Police to gather DNA samples from Tina Farmers living relatives. Hubs matched the Tennessee Jane Doe's fingerprints to Tina Farmer. Hubs said the Tina's family was upset by the news, of course, but also glad she had at least been found. On December 19, 2019, the Tennessee Bureau of Investigation publicly announced that Jerry Leon Johns was very likely Tina Farmer's killer.

Investigators believe Johns killed Tina in December of 1984 dumped her body off I-75 near Jellico-Tico Tennessee several days later. Johns was convicted of aggravated kidnapping, assault and other crimes against a woman. He picked up a Knox County Tennessee two months after Tina was killed. On December 18, 2019, a grand jury in Campbell County ruled that Johns would have been indicted for Tina's death if he were still alive. But he died in prison back in December of 2015. This is the guy we are most sure killed one of these poor women. TBI director David Roush

said in a statement, we hope this will help provide long sought answers for Tina farmers family. We also want this case to provide hope for other families in our state who are still waiting for answers. Our team will never give up on unsolved cases like this one as long as there are viable leads to follow Let's rewind back to 19-5 discuss the case of Jerry Leon John's a little bit more was he the Bible bells triangular Jerry Jones or sorry, sorry, John's What's a truck driver originally from Rockford Illinois? I already had a felony criminal record Mississippi by the time he killed Tina farmer John's ran a small trucking operation called Rebel Trucking Company out of Cleveland, Tennessee.

Oh boy. The following information comes from a 2020 WBIR article that knocked that Knoxville NBC affiliate WBIR replaced Linda's name with Tasha at the time, both modern sources, newspaper articles from the 80s use her real name though, so we will. Linda Shackie was a dancer at the Catch One Club, an notorious adult club north of I-40. On March 5th, 1985, 36-year-old John's and his brother Wayne went to Catch One. Looks like this strip club according to Yelp just finally closed in the last few years. John's had a membership card. Linda agreed to go with him to a hotel in Knoxville after

she finished work. She agreed to pay 200 bucks for sex. John's tore 200 bills in half, gave her two halves promising her the rest at the hotel. Linda arranged for another woman to have sex with Wayne John's. They all drove their own cars to a local holiday inn. Linda hit her money in her vehicle. John's got an adjoining room to his brother. John's had asked Linda to give him cocaine and weed. She said she could probably do that.

Then at the hotel this piece of shit claimed he was a Texas ranger making a fucking drug bust. his brother. John said, ask Linda to give him cocaine and weed. She said she could probably do that. Then it's a hotel. This piece of shit claimed he was a Texas ranger making a fucking drug bust. Gotcha. Showed her a gun. He was of course not a Texas ranger, but he did drive a truck with Texas plates. That made Linda nervous. After John's Linda had sex, she took a bath, tried to leave. But when they walked to her car, he forced her to move over so he could drive and he drove

them back to the strip club. After they parked, he ripped Linda's t-shirt into strips, used it to tie up her hands and feet, put a gag in her mouth, threatened to kill her if she tried to leave her scream, and then he drove her down I-40 until he pulled over in a patch of woods. There he forced Linda out of the vehicle, she asked if he was going to kill her and he said yes, Linda asked why and he told her you become a nuisance. Linda said that John's was angry because he found out fucking get this, that she was not a natural redhead. Act like he was gonna shoot her,

but instead he strangled her, another fucking tip towards the Bible Bell Stranger with her t-shirt until she lost consciousness. I think he thought she was dead. She wasn't, she woke up in a colvert, crawled out, flagged out another trucker on the interstate, told the trucker and other people who stopped that someone tried to kill her.

She was so scared, she begged her resc rescuers not to kill her as well. Also told troopers what happened informing them that John's told her car and she gave them their room numbers at the hotel. Well, Jerry Lee Johns was then arrested in Knox County, Tennessee March 6, 1985. A trooper saw John's truck in the holiday in parking lot. He and a deputy saw Linda's car approach the parking lot, then speed off, chase his fucker down on I-40. When he finally stopped, the police found a loaded gun inside his car

and found his motel room key, little over 750 bucks in cash, and his strip club membership card and saw him throw away several hundred dollar bill halves. John's was immediately considered a suspect in the redhead murders when he was arrested. He was questioned about 20 unsolved murders in Tennessee, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Alabama, Texas and Mississippi.

Investigators describe John's as an extremely intelligent ex-con who had taken courses in criminal justice and who was quick to mention his interest in the psychology of serial killers during his initial interview. Now the fuck, why would he say that to the police? Oh, oh, wait, silly me, I know, because he was fucking crazy. Knox County detective Larry Johnson told the new Sentinel in 1995, serial killer was about the third thing

that came out of his mouth. Geez. Johns also gave the statement to the paper, saying apparently I fit the mold of what they were looking for. You can't blame them. They've got a lot of unsolved cases all over the country, but they can trial they want. Won't work.

I didn't do it. On February 19th, 1986, this calm sociopath was indicted for Philanote, Philonius assault and aggravated kidnapping. Then in February of 1986, Lisa sued Johns for physical and emotional suffering, and then Johns, such a piece of shit, sued her fucking back in July, is complain stated, it is the contention of plaintiff Jerry L. John's that defendants and her lawyer conspired to perpetrate a fraud upon the plaintiff. May 27, 1906 Linda Shaq are shacky identified John's as her attacker for a second time at a pretrial hearing first identified him from a picture shown to her by detective

jury selection for Johns trial started on March 3rd, 1907 His trial was postponed five times finally a mistrial was declared December of 1906 when account a court clerk inadvertently read charges that were severed from the case But they would do another trial Linda testified against Johns now on March 3rd Johns brother Wayne testified that Linda left with another man on the night she was attacked not not his brother He claimed to saw her when he got up during the night to just go, you know, instantly get a soda However the night of the crime he told the police he was asleep until they knocked on his door right around 3 a.m Mm-hmm. He's fucking up The defense tried to suggest that Linda's boyfriend attacked her when she failed a drug sale. Linda said she didn't see her boyfriend that night.

March 5, 1987, Jerry Lee Johns found guilty of felonious assault with the intent to commit first degree murder, aggravated kidnapping with the deadly weapon, armed robbery, and reckless driving. And on April 10th, he was sentenced to 108 years in prison. So fuck yeah, hail, Nimrod. Fuck Jerry Leon or Leon John's. John's family and friends tried to convince the judge to show mercy during sentencing. He's a good guy. He and his wife, they've been suffering

because they just lost their stuff, which is sad, but doesn't make you do this. After being convicted and sentenced, John's wrote different petitions and insisting the police had the wrong man. Luckily, all of them worked in Norde. And and finally he would die in prison in December of 2015 at the age of 67. So glad he, he spent the last three decades of his life behind bars. And again, John's one of the strongest, if not the strongest suspect in the Redhead murders, also the lead

Bible belt stringed or suspect. However, more murders occurred after he was arrested, meaning he could not be the only killer. And that kind of shoots down the theory of the Elizabeth Tinnah Tennessee high school students thinking that one person committed all the Bible bells, strangler murders. And he had sex with the victim, which didn't quite match up with the profile. But oh well, you know, still a kick ass stab at a profile. And much of this info was not made public until after they'd given their presentation, by the way. And much of this info was not made public until after they'd given their presentation, by the way.

Early 2020, the TBI was seen if they could link Johns to other murders. Agent Brandon Elkins told WBIR, at this current time, we have not made any connections anywhere in the nation connecting Johns, specifically by forensic evidence to another case. But we are definitely open to the possibility that he could have killed before him as farmer and before the victim here in Knox County was assaulted. January 24th, 1905. The fifth woman in this timeline found dead. This time in all of Branch, Mississippi, less than 10 miles from Memphis, Tennessee.

She became known as the Dissoto County Jane Doe. A truck driver on US Highway 78 found her body around 7.30 a.m. She'd been dumped on the highway during the night. The woman was wearing blue jeans and a white blouse. The woman is estimated to be aged 20 to 40, 5.2 to 5.4, 105 to 130 pounds, believed to have been a heavy smoker, had three piercings in each year, and a bit down her fingernails. Autops was ordered the same day she was found. On January 25, 19, 1995, the Statole County officials announced the autopsy findings. The woman was choked with a narrow object.

But corner Jeff Pounder said it would take days or weeks to determine if choking was the exact cause of death. The autopsy showed that she had been strangled, but exact cause of death was never established with 100% certainty. Okay, and her killer never found and her body not identified. March 29th, 1905, their remains of a Jane Doe found along I-40 in Wayne'sville, North Carolina and either Tennessee border or six dead bodies today. This Jane Doe not identified until 2012 when DNA and dental records identified her as 27-year-old Priscilla and Blevin's. Priscilla had reddish blonde hair.

She went missing a full decade earlier in July of 1975. Left behind her family, Kathy Blevin's how, her parents Sadie and Bob who died in 2001 and 2002. July 7th, 1975, Priscilla's roommate saw her at their Charlotte home. She had already left home by the age of 17, pretty good indication that things are home not the best. People searched for her right away after she left, but her case quickly went cold. 25 years after she went off the grid, Kathy got involved in her sister's case in 2000. Started speaking with Detective Lee Tuttle from the Charlotte Mecklenburg, excuse me, PD.

Tuttle collected a mitochondrial DNA sample from Kathy, which was entered into a national database. On October 18, 2012, Tuttle was notified that the Jane Do sample from Kathy, which was entered into a national database. On October 18, 2012, Tuddle was notified that the Jane Doe's remains, which were recently entered into the database, matched the DNA sample. The identification was then confirmed through dental records. In October of 2012, the Charlotte, Mecklenburg, PD contacted Kathy Howe and former that her sisters remains were held at the state medical examiner's office in Chapel Hill. They've been in storage for over 20 years. And good for them for never fully giving up.

Cassie told the Hoffman and Post it was just unbelievable and it still is. He was equal parts of relief, surprise, sorrow and joy at the opportunity to finally bring my sister home. And that speaks to how emotionally important it is to the families of cold case victims to solve these crimes. Even if a killer is very likely dead or will never be identified, so important of the healing process to at least have some kind of closure. My good on everyone involved in these investigations.

A lot of good people doing a lot of good shit. The whole field of forensic investigation and analysis. What a cool field to be a part of. Guessin' a lot of, you know, badass meat sex are doing this work. I love it. Kathy Howe was told an autopsy was performed on Priscilla, but nothing was positively determined. Guessin' a lot of, you know, bad ass meat sex are doing this work. I love it. Kathy Howe was told an autopsy was performed on Priscilla, but nothing was positively determined. She still doesn't know the results or whether or not her death was considered foul play. March 31st, 1925, there remains of a red-headed Jane Doe or found along I-24 in Pleasant View, Cheatham County, Tennessee,

seventh body to turn up in this timeline. Those students, fourth possible, Bible belt, Strangler victim. A lone serial killer still could have killed five out of the six victims they looked at. Couple driving on I-24 stop because their car overheated. They were trying to get water from a creek at the bottom of the embankment and then found bones and clothing, about 75 yards off the interstate. I'm fucking random day for those people.

Skeletal human remains, bloody shreds of clothing found along the roadside April 1st local deputies in the corner went to the site found a skull bones and a knit sweater and a blouse with blood on it a black bra Designer jeans and thermal underwear The clothing appeared to have fallen in a line from the interstate to the bottom of the embankment There was also a lot of reddish brown medium-length hair near the bones. This body also still has yet to be identified. April 1st, still in 1975, another Jane Doe found inside a refrigerator. Fuck, along route 25 in Gray, Knox County, Kentucky, the eighth body, Bible belt, Stranger victim, possible victim, number five. The one was found that morning by two men who were looking for appliance parts in the dump off US to the US highway 25 E four miles south as to

Corbin Kentucky. She was found naked except for two pairs of socks and two pendant necklaces. One pendant was a heart. The second was a gold eagle and just real quick super random fucked up. But I do want to share this I, I was pretty tired when I was first going through all these notes. And the information on this particular topic is so fucking scattered. Like there's no like good primary source. You just got to grab like newspaper articles and kind of like, you know, pile it all together. And which is a little more mentally taxing than like an easier kind of narrative

where the information's already been gathered somewhere. But anyways, a little tired, a little more mentally taxing than like an easier kind of narrative where the information started to be gathered somewhere. But anyways, a little tired, a little hungry, so a little spacey. And when I came across the note about two pairs of socks, my brain, for whatever reason, did not put both of them on her feet. My possibly damaged brain, put two socks on her feet,

and then the other two on her hands. Like, why would I ever fucking think that? Like for just for like a moment, like my brain was like, was when she was abducted, like she was in the middle of a fucking puppet show. Or like her abductor before killing her, made her perform some kind of puppet show. What an especially odd,

then I couldn't stop thinking about it. What an especially odd serial killer that would be. Someone who kidnaps women and then forces them to put on weird sock puppet shows Do it do it say it Tom Will Hawk well cocks is the strongest smartest mot handsome man whoever lived not you God damn it Make Mrs. Puppernickle say it Sorry, I don't know the fuck Mrs. Puppernick will just let me go. Shut up!

Mrs. Puppernick will is on your right hand with the lipstick, obviously. Okay. Turbo-o-cocks, is a strongest smartest most handsome man who ever lived. That's good, that's good. And now make Mr. Bad Danny Wilcox say when he's supposed to say.

He sure is. I wish I was the strongest smartest, most handsome man whoever lived, but I'm a stupid bad daddy who can't even go poop in the potty. Yes, yes, that's good. I love the show.

I really, I really love the show. Keep it on, I might let you put your clothes back on. That is a terrifying scenario to imagine, actually. I just, I just wanted to not have that only exists in my head. Anyway, Put your clothes back on. That is a terrifying scenario to imagine actually. I just wanted to not have that only exists in my head. Anyway, like some of the other victims,

and I do realize that sounds like Woody. Woody is, it's apparently my fucking brain's stock puppet voice. Anyway, like some of the other victims, this woman had reddish brown hair, hazel eyes, thought to be between 25 and 32, 411, and weighed around a hundred pounds. The woman's preliminary autosuit indicated

that she suffocated. She'd been dead between two to four hours when she was found and had no drugs or alcohol in her blood. Had no bruises or marks indicated she fought off and attacked her, no scratches inside the fridge to show that she had tried to escape. The Knox County Deputy Corner believed that thankfully, she was put in the fridge after she had died.

Strangely again, considering the norm of these types of cases, there was no evidence of sexual assault. There were sadly signs that she had recently given birth. The moment was last seen around 2am, the day she died at King's Truck Stop, I-75 in Corbin, witnesses reported she was looking for a ride to North Carolina. The owner of a funeral home in nearby Barbaraville received over 600, excuse me, 600 requests from people in different states asking to view the body. The community of Barberville donated a casket

and a grape to the unknown woman also helped hold a proper funeral for her. So that's pretty fucking cool, good on them. Well, October 1st, 2018, over 33 years after her body was found, the Kentucky State Police announced that this Jane Doe was identified as FC Regina Black-Dash Pilgrim, so Black Pilgrim, from Spindale, North Carolina. Investigators matched her DNA to her daughter, who reported that her mother went missing

when she was just six weeks old. FC also had four other children. On the summer of 2017, the FBI reexamined Epsi's case according to Detective Aaron Frederick of the Kentucky State Police. The FBI informed him that they recently found a match for a fingerprint on the fridge. It was later determined that the print was unrelated to the case, but it led to a reexamination of old case files.

Frederick had never heard of the case before. He looked over the file again, saw that there had been no lead since 1992. This case was cold, cold, cold. They put together a press release, which went out in July of 2017 on October 18, 2017. Elizabeth Pilgrim, Epsi's now adult daughter, reached out at Knox County Judge, Executive J. M. Hall or two. She believes she may be the daughter of the Knox County Jane Doe. Her mother, Epsi Regina, Regina Black Pilgrim, had went missing shortly before the Jane Doe. Her mother, Epsi Regina, Regina Black Pilgrim, had went missing

shortly before the Jane Doe was found. Judge Hall told WYMT, she was just overwhelmed by what she had seen in the papers and she really thinks this could be what she's been looking for for so many years. In October 2017, Elizabeth's aunt had found a post about an unidentified murder victim. Elizabeth told WBIR when she saw the picture, she had a feeling and called the police department. Elizabeth noticed that the composite picture looked a lot like her mom. Elizabeth's brother saw on the on a Facebook post that the Jane Doe had a birthmark on her left ankle. Their mom had a birthmark on her left ankle and also wore the same exact necklace shown in the photos. Detective Frederick traveled to North Carolina to collect some DNA evidence, took over a year to get the test results, right?

Lab backed up, but Kentucky law enforcement finally learned that their Jane Doe was FC Black Pilgrim. This is what allowed the Kentucky police to reopen the investigation. They learned that, I think it's SB, sorry, SB was last seen in the middle of the night at a Kentucky truck stop seeking a ride to North Carolina. A witness remembered someone calling on the CB radio and offering her a ride. And before moving on, can we talk for a second about her last hyphenated name, Black Pilgrim? I mean, that is a strange combo, right?

I mean, there actually were a few Black pilgrims, not talked about much, but they existed, served in the Plymouth, Melicia by the 1640s. Still not what almost anyone thinks of. And this is a white woman. I just feel like if you're a white woman and someone's calling out black pilgrim party of one and then you get up They're gonna get some stairs Just two days after the discovery of Epsi's remains On sorry, I think I auto corrected to it is EPS-Y just not a name

Not a name I've ever seen before in any fucking form. So I just throw my brain off, but Epsi. Maybe you know an Epsi, I don't. They just, just two days after the discovery of Epsi's remains on April 3rd, 1995, the skeletal remains of a young girl are found in the big wheel gap area of elk valley in Campbell County, Tennessee near a strip mine. Forensic anthropologist determined that she was likely

a white female between the age of 10 and 15. This timeline's ninth body, a passerby founder, only 32 bones including her school were found. The school was complete enough for investigators to attempt facial reconstruction. A necklace and bracelet made out of buttons were found in the remains, along with the pair of size 5 boots, some clothing scraps, not known if these items belonged to the girl or not. Her cause of death still undetermined, but there are similarities to the other cases. For many, many years, this Jane Doe

was simply known as Baby Girl. A forensic analysis of the girl's remains determined she was probably not from Tennessee, maybe from the Midwest, but can isotopes, isotopes, don't lie. I don't think I still really don't know much about isotopes, but trusting people who do study them. August 30th, 2022, the TBI announced that the skeletal remains of the child found in

Campbell County, Tennessee were finally identified. Over 32 years were being found, right? Incredible. In 2007, a sample of the remains was submitted to the University of North Texas Center for Human Identification. Her profile was entered into CODIS, the national and the national missing and unidentified person system. Nothing came back from that search. Luckily, it was not the investigator's final effort.

In 2013, the TBI agent and intelligence analysis, analyst, what do I keep saying? I don't know what I'm saying. But analyst, reviewed the case, looked for new leads, still nothing but still not done. Last year, in 2022, assisted by the University of Tennessee Anthropology Department, a sample of her remains was now sent to a private lab called, Authorum Incorporated, or a scientist completed forensic genetic genealogy testing. And June, Authorum found a possible relative who was living in Indiana. TBI then located several potential family members in Lafayette, who confirmed that a member

of their family went missing in 1978, agents obtained familial DNA standards for possible siblings, which were given to the TBI crime lab, and entered into CODIS. In August, the UNTCHI University of North Texas Center for Human Identification, positively identified the Jando was Tracy Sue Walker. She went missing from Lafayette, Indiana, 1978, last scene at the Tippie Canoe Mall with a friend.

Our mom reported her as a runaway when she disappeared. August 31st, 2022, Tippie Canoe County, Indiana Sheriff Bob Goldsmith said that Tracy Sue Walker's case became a priority after all those years. Said we are going to be meeting this afternoon with Lafayette police detectives. We're gonna get the information they have. We've already been on the phone

with the Tennessee Bureau of Investigations. We will be assisting them with any follow- the information they have. We've already been on the phone with the Tennessee Bureau of Investigations. We will be assisting them with any follow-up that they need, so on our end, the case is back open. I don't know what that's going to look like moving forward. Goldsmith admitted that they were not previously aware of the case, saying, I can't speak for the guys back in 78. Things were totally different.

We're talking about typewriters and different forms. Now everything's in a computer. When you do something, you should do a supplemental follow-up. Tracy was only 15 when she went missing and was killed, likely murdered back in 1978, hard to say exactly, due to the condition her remains were found in. How many other skeletons like hers are still scattered around America waiting to be found?

April 14th, 1985, young Jane Doe found on I81 or just off I81 near Exit 44 in Greenville, Green County, 5th, young Jane Doe found on I81 or just off I81 near exit 44 in Greenville, Green County, Tennessee, body number 10. Six and final Bible belt strangler victim according to the students. A man in the sun came across the body when taking a shortcut to a pond. Jane Doe was missing her clothing, had died approximately three weeks earlier. Six to eight week pregnant had miscarried shortly before her death. Preliminary autopsy found that she had been stabbed

but died from a blow to the head. So, so fucking sad, just such a violent end. Investigators estimated that she was like the age 14 to 20, possibly even up to 25, five, four to five, six, weighing between 130 and 140 pounds. Had light brown and blonde hair with red highlights, which linked her to the redhead murders.

Authorities initially hoped they would identify her by her fingerprints, but no luck. And she remained like most of these victims, a Jane Doe for decades. In 2006, a sample of her remains submitted to the University of North Texas Center for Human Identification. They developed a DNA profile entered into CODIS. And a dozen years later, in November of 2018, UNTCHI confirmed they had a match. The Jando was 17-year-old Elizabeth Lamotte, a girl from Manchester, New Hampshire. Elizabeth went missing from Manchester back on November 22, 1984. Prior to her disappearance, she had been placed at the Youth Development Center, a 24-hour secure treatment facility that offered intensive treatment for new hamsters detained and committed youth.

Elizabeth left unfurlough on the day she went missing and then just never came back to the facility. Her case was discharged from the YDC on her 18th birthday July 27th, 1925, even though she had not returned to the facility. Strangely or maybe just sadly, Elizabeth was not reported as a missing person to the Manchester PD until 2017. Soon afterwards the police received a tip in response to the Attorney General's press conference with the New Hampshire State Police Cold Case Unit in January of 2018 and the tip led then to believe that she may have been murdered and also to a possible murder suspect.

Robert, aka Bob Evans. Before we look into this huge piece of shit, the serial killer, first let's find out how she was identified. Two of Elizabeth's brothers then provided a DNA sample, which was submitted to Namus, National Missing and Unidentified Person System, to find out of Elizabeth was one of thousands of Jane Does from around the country. November 13th, 2018, the University of North Texas Center for Human Identification notified the Manchester PD that they matched the sibling DNA to the remains of a Jane Doe found in Tennessee

1995. Her remains had been at the University of Tennessee since that year. Elizabeth had brown hair and had with red highlights again, which linked to of course, the redhead murders. Now for the main suspect in her murder, this Bob Evans fucking founder of the family style American restaurant chain maker of delicious sausage and banana nut bread. When that mother fucker wasn't whipping up fork tender pot roasts, slow roasts of turkey and dressing family dinners, dang hot chicken meals, hot cakes and double-crusted apple pies. He was sexually assaulting and murdering young women across the Midwest

You heard it here first and you heard it here first because it never happened But the suspects name was Bob Evans Just like the restaurant that I do enjoy Except that wasn't his real name. Just one of many he went by the son of a bitch went by so many aliases He became known as the chameleon killer real name Terry Peter Rin, an American serial killer. Terry Peter, unfortunately, a combo. I was believed before he died in prison in 2010 to be responsible for the murders of the Allenstown 4, a woman and three children found in barrels

in 1905 and 2000. DNA evidence would connect him to these killings in 2017. Ras Musin was born in Colorado December 23rd 1943 dropped out of high school in Phoenix, Arizona, sophomore year served in the Navy from 1961 to 1967. Following the Navy moved to Hawaii briefly to work at his parent's shoe shop excuse me. Rasasmussen got married in Hawaii and then moved back to Phoenix with his family. He and his wife would have twin daughters. The family was moved to California, then back to Phoenix. And shortly thereafter, the arrest began. Rasmussen was arrested for aggravated assault in April of 1973. April 30th, 1973, he was arrested in Phoenix on a fugitive from Justice Charge. June of 75 arrested a second time for aggravated assault, and his wife left him shortly after

he was arrested, and he would be absentee dead shortly thereafter. December of 1975, Rasmussen visited his now ex-wife and kids, unannounced in Pace and Arizona. He was accompanied by an unidentified woman, said he was living in the Casa Del Rey apartments in Ingolstadt, Texas, and then his family would never see him again after that visit. Around this time, Rasmussen became involved with woman named Marles Elizabeth Honey Church, a divorce mother of two. Marles might have been the woman who was with him in Pason.

Marles was born in Connecticut in 1954. Her first daughter, Maria Elizabeth Vaughan, born in 1971, and her second daughter, Sarah Lynn McWaters, born in Connecticut in 1954. Her first daughter, Maria Elizabeth Vaughan, born in 1971, and her second daughter, Sarah Lynn McWaters, born in 1977. Marley's was last seen by her family during Thanksgiving 1978 at her mom's house on La Puente, California. She introduced her family to Ras Musin, who reported the use of real name at that time when he met him. Marley's gotten to some kind of heated argument with her mom during the visit, left with her kids and Ras Musin and was never seen again. Marley's the sister Paula Hodges doesn't remember the argument,

but told ABC 2020 decades later, my mom might have said something to her is, he's too old for you. Why are you with him? She went with Terry. They left, never called, never contacted. Nobody just disappeared. Marley's was only 24 when she went missing. Ras Musin was 35. And the police believed she died a couple of years 24 when she went missing. Rasmussen was 35.

And the police believed she died a couple years later when she was 26 or 27. Authorities believe Marie was 8 to 10 years old when she died. And Sarah was just 2 to 3 years old when she died. The daughter's there. They were missing persons for many years before being finally identified. In 1978 or 1979, Rasmussen started to use the name

Bob Evans to work as an electrician. In January of 1980, Elizabeth Evans, a woman who has never been identified, signed to certified letter and manchester in New Hampshire. Terry Rasmussen was associated with her as far as address. Now this Elizabeth was likely not Elizabeth Lamont from Manchester. The woman associated with the Redhead murders because she would have only been 13 or 14 here. Possible but very unlikely. I could have been Marles Elizabeth Honey Church though, probably was. February of 1990, Rasmussen was a rest at Manchester for you issuing a bad check. He used the name

Robert T Evans, as his wife was Elizabeth Evans. A few months later in May, he was a rest at Manchester for theft of services. He was named Bob Evans again. Still lived as listed as wife as Elizabeth. Been in October when he was arrested for illegally diverting electrical current, Bob Evans did not list a spouse on his arrest report. November of 1981, Rasmussen and his new girlfriend, 23-year-old Denise Bowden, a woman from Manchester, went missing just after Thanksgiving along with Denise's six-month-old daughter. Denise never been seen since, more on her daughter in a bit. Rasmussen showed up again in 1984 as an employee at an electrical company in

Los Alamedos, California, arrested for a DUI in May of 1985 in Cypress, California, now using the name Curtis Mayo Kimball. Several months later, November of 1985, a barrel was found in your Bearbrook State Park in Allenstown, New Hampshire. The barrel contained the remains of an adult female and a female child. 11-year-old Jesse Morgan and his friends were, they found the barrel first, a few months earlier.

He later told ABC 2020, we were playing a game of hide and seek. I was approached by one of the kids in the group that he had come upon a barrel out in the middle of the woods, which was off the trail. It was just odd that the barrel was out there. It was a slightly rusted dark blue barrel. It's a blue 55 gallon steel drum Just kind of sitting out there in the woods the brother that found the barrel went over to it tried to lift the top off the barrel

And when he did we were just hit with a smell that was absolutely putrid one of the brothers just pushed the barrel over And we watched the barrel fall on its side the guy's jumped on my four-wheeler and we booted out of there Now is the last time we watched the barrel fall on its side. The guy jumped on my four wheeler and we booted out of there Now is the last time we saw the barrel Then on November 10th 1985 an officer received instructions to meet a hunter at the edge of the woods in bearbrook The hunter reported finding this same barrel in the woods with bones inside Investigators determined that the woman and child died of blunt force trauma to their heads Same year a private investigator was hired to find Marlies and her kids, but they were unsuccessful. January of 1906, Ras Musin was now living and working in the Santa

Cruz County in California under the name Gordon Jensen, that June he abandoned Denise Bowden's daughter and fled. Ras Musin claimed that, quote, Lisa was his biological daughter. And Lisa was taken into protective custody in 1906 after a failed adoption attempt between Ras Musin and a California couple. So this fucker tried to make some money selling the baby whose mom had murdered. In March of 1989, Ras Musin now arrested on Warrants for Child Abandonment, sentenced to three years in prison. He's paroled in 1990.

May 9, 2002, barrel was found near the Bearbrook State Park in Allentown. This barrel contained the remains of two female children, ages two to four and one to three. Following month, June 8th, the unidentified adult female and child that were found in 1985 were exhumed for DNA testing. In June of 2002, Ras Musin's girlfriend, Yoon Soon-Joon, now disappears from Richmond, California. Yoon Soon-Joon was a chemist from California in her mid-40s.

About two years before she went missing, she had introduced her family to her boyfriend, Larry Vanner. Renee Rose, June's friend, later told ABC 2020, he didn't even look healthy. His face was great. He smoked constantly. Larry would just grab and gobble up everything on the table and belch and eat more and then go sit on the couch. What a fucking champion!

How annoying that a walk and turd like Larry could land a successful chemist. And she did look healthy, super cute, so sad how many people settle in relationships like this, how has been alone, worse than being with some gray face, chain smoking, lazy shit face. Looking at pics of Larry, but really Terry, he was a long ways from the realm of anyone tossing toward handsome in his direction, in my opinion. Considering how he felt about women in the sense that he kept fucking killing him, based on Renee's description, he sure didn't seem like a nice guy either.

Never seemed to have any kind of high-paying job. What redeeming qualities did this shitbag have? Dynamite in bed? I don't get it. Apparently he was charming. According to Renee, when June went missing, Larry said that she was either taking care of her mom or getting some therapy or later that You know, she decided she didn't want him in her life anymore. You know, just just left and he didn't know where she was Well, Renee didn't buy any of this shit and told him that she wanted to speak to her friend or she was going to the sheriff And she did contact the police detective Roxanne Groenheed will follow up on Renee's phone call and Talk about her experience later, speaking

with Razm using, saying, he was polite and soft-spoken and very smart. And with his twinkly blue eyes, he could get somebody to maybe trust him. All we were really trying to do was determine where Yoon Soon was and if she was okay and he wasn't being cooperative with that at all. Maybe those fucking baby blues that lowered the ladies in. I still think he looks like a turd. When the police soon searched Larry Van Er'sars home in california green he'd and another detective found a massive pile of cat litter in crawl space

like forty five feet around about three feet high uh... there was also an accident crawl space they started digging into the litter and then pretty soon they find a mummified human foot and uh... you know then they uh they left, nothing to see there. They just figure the cat had pooped it out. You know, most of the time cats eat cat food.

Everyone knows that, and they poop out low cat turts. Sometimes big cats swallow human feet, hole, and poop it out in the same way. You know what it is. No, of course, they didn't think that. They thought they found the foot of a murder victim in the head, and then they found the rest of the body. The body was identified as Yoon-soon-Joon. She had died of blunt force trauma to the head and then they found the rest of the body. The body was identified as Yoon Soon-Joon.

She had died of blunt force trauma to the head. Detective Groenheed confirmed that a man matching Larry Van der's description purchased 10 bags of cat litter from a pet store. So he looks a wee big guilty. And then he's arrested in November of 2002. In June of 2003, he sentenced to 15 years to life after pleading guilty to Yoon's murder. Then in August of 2003, DNA, DNA testing confirmed that rest mutian was not the biological father to Lisa, that kid he abandoned in

California. The San Bernardino Sheriff's Department now started the case to find Lisa's family. She was in her early 20s by this point. A genealogist found Lisa's maternal grandfather, Armand Bowden. And they learned that Lisa's birth name was Don Bowden, her mom Denise Bowden, right? Another murder victim obviously in all likelihood a woman lasting with Terry December of 2010, Ras Musin would dive natural causes at high desert prison in Susanville, California at the age of 67 Before any more murders could be connected to him Before any more murders connected to him. Excuse me. Could be tried in court in July 2016

San Bernardino County contacted new hamster about Ras Musin. In October of that year, DNA testing confirmed that Ras Musin was the biological father of the older girl found in the second black barrel back in Alance Town. In January of 2017, authorities announced that they believe Ras Musin to be responsible for at least six deaths. Denise Bowden, the woman and three girls found in the barrels, and Yoon Soon-Joon. The police also feared that he had probably killed the biological mother of the unidentified girl found in the barrel who was not related to him. The woman's identity or whereabouts still unknown. Wasn't until August 18, 2017 that Terry Peter Rasmussen's true identity was revealed. Before this, he had only been known in the press as Bob Evans or by other

aliases. November 2017 authorities released a new mug shot hopeful that someone recognizing come forward with new info about his murderous activities. Well, that same month, the professional researcher Rebecca Heath, with an interest in missing persons found in ancestry.com message board with a post about Sarah McWaters, Marlesa's daughter. The person posting about Sarah said they were obsessed with her case. She connected with a woman in an online message board who was looking for her missing family members, a woman in her daughters.

Their ages and locations matched Marlesa and her children. She told Rebecca that her missing family member was once married to a man named Rasmussen. She didn't know who Rasmussen was, but luckily Rebecca did. And now she submitted all this to the authorities. The National Center for Missing and Exploited Children was then made aware of this new information. Now family interviews could confirm that Mar-lease was last seen at a party with Rasmussen in November of 1978. Meanwhile, investigative genetic genealogists Barbara Rae Ventor working on developing a DNA

profile of the unknown Rasmussen victims. According to Rae Ventor, based on Rasmussen's timeline, it seemed likely that his biological daughter was born in Texas, possibly on the Gulf Coast, if Rasmussen was working on an oil rig around that time as was suspected. On June 6, 2019 authorities revealed they had solved one more piece of this puzzle. They discovered the identities of three of the females found in the barrels at Bear Brook. The adult was Marlies Elizabeth Honey Church Church and the girls were her two daughters. Marie Elizabeth Vaughan and Sarah Lynn McWaters. February of 2020 authorities announced that they learned that they are still an identified girl was mostly Caucasian with a small amount

of Asian, black and American Indian ancestry. And it was born between 1975 and 1977. She had wavy brown hair between three foot three and three foot nine, slight overbite. In January of 2021, the Louisiana State Police thanks to a bunch of genetic sleuthene announced that the unidentified girl and her mom were likely descendants of Thomas dead horse Mitchell. Born in 1836, or William Living's, born in 1826. A little girl would be five times or six times would be the five times or six times great-grandchild of these men. Believed that the mother's relatives are from Pearl River County, Mississippi. Thomas Deadhorse Mitchell was a Civil War veteran. Got his nickname

because he hit under a dead horse during a battle. Mitchell was born in New Orleans and died in Pearl River County, Mississippi. William Joseph Living's born in Alabama died in pro river County Mississippi, 1901. June of 2019, local manchester, New Hampshire, ABC news outlet, WMUR, talked to Andrea Steers, a daughter of Terry Resmucin. Andrea said that when she learned her dad was a serial killer and that he killed her half sister, she gave up drinking and marijuana because she didn't want to be like him. I appreciate that sentiment, Andrew, but I don't think that's how it works. Despite the old claims of Reef for Madness, we does not make you a killer.

Decreases Yodds, I would think of anything. Andrew also told the outlet she had memories of a little girl. Andrew was four when she last saw her dad. Claims she met the little unidentified girl around the last time she saw Rasmussen. Steers and her siblings called the girl Anita Moon. She thinks she was half Asian and random. She thinks that Rasmussen killed her because she didn't look like him. So that's fucking weird little road there with one of the victims. Transitioning back to the redhead murders, investigations into Elizabeth's death and the possible connection with Rasmussen are ongoing. I want to do include this case because I feel

like there are a lot of details that could be more than a coincidence such as the connection to Manchester New Hampshire, Manchester New Hampshire and how Elizabeth died of blunt force trauma to the head. Elizabeth's killer sadly is still unknown. April 20th, April 20th, sorry, 1925, another Jane Doe found dead

and rightful Polaski County, Arkansas. Dead body number 11 would not count any other women and children killed by killers like Terry Peter, Resmucin. She was 30 to 40 years old. Five foot three with strawberry blonde hair. But the woman had previously fractured her left femur, cause the death still unknown, very little info in that case. April 24th, 19 to five. Lawn force from five states meets at the TBI headquarters in Nashville to compare notes on the red head murders. Stephen Watson, deputy director of the TBI headquarters in Nashville to compare notes on the redhead murders.

Stephen Watson, deputy director of the TBI, told the Associated Press that time, we are going to sit down and talk about these homicides that each jurisdiction has had and try to figure out how to proceed. Agent David Davenport added, the problem is these women are mostly hitchhikers or prostitutes with no strong family ties. Nobody's looking for them, most times nobody cares. Investigators decided to ask the FBI to help determine if the murders were committed by one person. At this point, there were nine to ten female victims linked together. Steve Watson told the press that they were emphasizing identifying the victims before

finding a suspect. According to Watson, each jurisdiction would continue working on their cases and would submit their info to the TBI, which would share information among all five states. Up to 11 victims have been labeled redhead murders victims by the press. The 11 victims have already listed. But Watson said they weren't certain about the number of victims or that one person was even responsible. Watson noted that only three victims were true redheads. At least five were strangled. All were found along major highways, but some were found naked, others closed. Several had engaged in sexual activity before they died, others had not. The victims did all seem to be from areas distant

to where they were actually found, a theory supported by a lack of identifications. At the time Watson refused to comment on Jerry Leon John's connection to the case, while Knox County chief detective John Maples did tell the AP he didn't consider John's a suspect. Jumping over two years ahead now, August 29, 1907 sanitation workers find the burned remains of another Jane Doe body number 12 behind several dumpsters on I 58 about two

and a half miles south of Kingston, Rome County, Tennessee. No one had been reported missing in Kingston, a Rome County, but local investigator Darryl Sermons pulled the press with the interstate going through the county, she could be from anywhere. This woman was white, 25 to 35 years old, five foot eight, 125 to 135 pounds, medium brown hair.

She had silicon, breast implants, had once been shot in the neck, bullet still lads in her fucking spine, but that was not her cause of death. It was an old injury. How sad. But when she died, not this woman's first encounter with extreme violence, her identity remains unknown as does her killer.

December 16, 1988, yet another Jane Doe found on in rising fond Georgia along the east side of Northbound I 59, about five miles from the Georgia Alabama state line. Body 13. She had been strangled. In the mid-2000s, when this case was re-examined, investigators found more evidence, Senate the FBI lab, where analysts developed a victim DNA profile and entered it into the missing person's DNA database. 2015, the case was re-examined again, now a Georgia Bureau of Investigation forensic artist, did new clay renderings and

composites for an age progression. The GBI also contacted the FBI about using a new type of genealogy that it helps solve other cold cases. Seven years later, this extra effort finally pays off March 24, 2022. The GBI reports that the unidentified woman is 19 year old or sorry was 19 year old Stacey Lynn Chahorski. Stacey was reported missing in Michigan January 17th, 1909 by her mom. Her mom last heard from her September 15th, 1988. Stacey said she was traveling to Flint, Michigan from North Carolina.

In 2010, detectives from the Norton Shores Michigan Police Department collected a fingerprint card from relatives which led to Stacey's identification after Georgia authorities contacted them. Half a year later, September 6, 2022, the GBI wrote a news release that Henry Frederick Wise was now suspected in the death of Stacey Chahorsky. An unknown male's DNA had been found at the crime scene back in 88, couldn't be matched to anyone at that time. Based on the body's location, investigators thought a truck driver was involved.

After Stacey was identified, the Georgia Bureau of Investigation asked the FBI to help and identify an email suspect. DNA was sent to Othrom Incorporated. Their scientists used genome sequencing to develop a genealogical profile. June of 2022, using the new profile, FBI genealogists develop some leads and the GBI began to interview potential family members and obtain DNA swabs for comparison. That'd be so fucking weird to get like a phone call from the FBI or some lab associate of the FBI and they just want to like ask you some questions, you know, maybe get a DNA

sample, not because they're looking into you, but because they're looking into some like random, distant relative of yours. Well, this all led, I've been waiting for that call, for years, you know, just, what do you do? Where was my dad? No, this all led to establishing Henry Frederick Wise, also known as Hoss, Hoss-wise is the main suspect. His DNA was found in the crime scene,

so good chance he was her killer. Well, Hoss had a criminal record in Florida, Georgia, and North Carolina for theft, assault, and obstruction of police officer. I found a picture of Hoss online and he did look like a dude known as Hoss. It looks like a character out of the original Duke's hazard. Like Bowen-Luke Duke's mechanic buddy, Kudder Davenport's underlene or something. He worked at a local scrapyard where Kudder got his spare parts.

Maybe sometimes did some dirt from Boss Hogg. Well, Haas would have been 34 years old in 1998, he was a truck driver for a North Carolina trucking company. So that fits. Often drove from Chattanooga to Birmingham to Nashville. Also was a stunt driver. I fucking knew he looked like a Duke's a hazard character. Right, I thought the Duke's a hazard shit before I knew about the stunt driving.

In May of 1999, while trying to pull off a stunt, this fucker burned to death. after his car caught on fire with the Myrtle Beach Speedway and Myrtle Beach, South Carolina when he was 43. So, you know, sucks that they weren't able to put him in prison for the murder, but pretty cool. They burned a life backing up now to the murder timeline. May 7th, 1990, another Jane Doe found an Maysville, Arkansas of highway 102, near the Oklahoma, Missouri state lines body number 14

She will only be known as the Benton County Jane Doe for over three decades Several bones and what looked like a shot look like shotgun wadding found at the crime scene Number four buckshot pellets found under the victim's skull a Neighbor reported to see a fire in the area back in February, but they never checked it out because they thought it was just someone burning trash. Investigators believe that someone ran over the victim or the bone to try and make identification difficult or impossible and that the victim was set on fire after she was shot. I got. There were not enough remains left for a reconstruction.

Victim believed to be between 25, 35 years old, between five, six and five, 10, over 32 years later, October 25, 2022, the Benton County Sheriff's Office held a media conference to announce they had recently identified multiple homicide victims through genetics, though, theme, one of whom was 28 year old Donna Sue Nelton, founded in May of 1990, evidence submitted to the Arkansas crime lab in February of 1995, or was submitted then, but they didn't have enough You know technology to identify her at the time 13 years later her remains sent to the University of North Texas October 2008 mitochondrial DNA profile created submitted to NAMOS

Uh, that national missing an unidentified person system. We mentioned Case review was completed in 2017, then in March of 2021, authorities met with Otherman corporate. Company developed a DNA profile and identified one of Donna's distant relatives. On August 13th, 2022, the police contacted the relative. They didn't know about a missing family member, but they did give a family history in names of other relatives. Two weeks later, the authorities find a relative who confirmed that a family member did go missing. They collected DNA to compare to the Jane Doe and it was a positive match. Donna Sue Neldon, last scene in the fall of 89, following her disappearance authorities

investigated her boyfriend, George Alvin Bruten, for various offenses. Bruten had a serious criminal record, or Bruton perhaps, BRUTO-N. But Bruten was captured in Fort Smith, Arkansas. December 14, 1979 was wounded while trying to allude an FBI stake out at his house. FBI shot at him, seriously wounded him, after he hit an FBI vehicle with his truck and also shot at an agent. Bruton was one at the time for two murders in Kansas City, Missouri, and for taking two hostures, and also wound winning two officers in Utah. Oh, and Bruton was also wanting to connect to a 1965 bank robbery and 1975 grocery store

robbery. He was actually one of the FBI's 10 most wanted. This fucker before all this had already spent six years in US Penitentiary and Fort Leavenworth Kansas for concealing explosives and possession of an unregistered firearm. He and another inmate named Stephen Scott panel broke out 11 worth. He took hostages at a home in Utah on December of 1978, escaped after a fucking gunfight. Penel capture a few days later, he wasn't moved to Kansas City where he would live with a prison associate 39 year old Michael Walker and his girlfriend

20 year old Lisa Holmes. Lisa and Michael then vanished. Last scene leaving their apartment February 9, 1979. Lisa was from Folly Beach, South Carolina. She was reported missing after she left her family wedding in Charleston to go back to Kansas City. Told her family, she was only staying long enough to get her things. And then, of course, they don't see her again.

February 27th, Michael Walker was found fatally shot in his vehicle in an apartment complex parking lot. March 10th, 1979, a woman's body found wrapped in a red blanket, dressed in a nightcow in a shallow creek in a sparsely populated area in Jackson County, south of US Highway 40. The body even dumped from a bridge. Her hands have been tied behind her back

or caused a death likely strangulation. And she was identified as Lisa Holmes by her family on March 11th. The police connected Lisa and Michael to a group of people associated with burglaries and professional shoplifting. Somehow after all this, George Alvin Bruton only gets sentenced to 10 fucking years in prison.

He would only plead guilty to assaulting a federal officer with a deadly weapon and possession of firearms by convicted felon. He seems to have cut some kind of deal with prosecutors. The exact details hard to find. Seems like it to me, maybe just because I have last week's Irish mob information in my mind, that he ratted on other criminals more important to the FBI. Maybe they didn't have enough evidence to prove he killed Michael Walker in the homes, never charged for breaking out 11 worth, taking hostages, wounding two officers in Utah.

It's fucking weird. He had to have given the fed some good shit. Anyway, after all this, he's paroled 1988 by July of the following year. He's under investigation for more various crimes Then in September of 89 he and associate an associate are seeing disposing black trash bags into a dumpster in Kansas City The FBI obtained these bags found Donna's shoes Personal items inside her vehicle was found later in the storage unit used by Bruton How the fuck was he still not arrested for her murder?

But he wasn't. He was arrested for parole violation, August 6, 1990, and died at Undrug charges, then identified as the leader of a multi-state drug ring. And then in July of 1990, a source told a federal agent that Bruton mentioned killing a woman named Donna because of her threats to expose his involvement and organized crime.

The dude might have had some mob connections. Bruton finally sentenced to life in prison, died in prison in 2008. He was 66. So Donna Sue Nellden, another woman he possibly killed that he was never charged for is the last victim currently associated with the red-hit murders. Sounds like we know who her killer was.

The third woman, we have a pretty good idea of regarding who killed him. But the 11 others, no idea really. Maybe Terry Peter Resmusin and one murder, maybe not, no clue in 10 of the 14 murders, but with the continual advances in forensic science, who knows. And that is it for this timeline. Soldier, you've made it back. Barely. BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG!

Before wrapping this date, heavy story up with a few final thoughts, how about one more sponsor, a very real one? One then originated an episode, 234 of the Alon School Suck, and one that just makes sense for today. Can you guess what it is? How about you can. Today's time suck is of course brought to you by DadWatch, a 5013C nonprofit dedicated to solving dad-related crimes. DadWatch stands for, dads are disappearing

where all the corpse is high. High. Dad Cummins, dad watch founder. Did you know the roughly 50,000 people go missing in the US each and every year? They're never found. And that many dads conveniently can't remember exactly what they were doing, where they were, when those people went missing. Coincidence?

Come on. We here at DadWatch don't think so. The majority of the red head and Bible Bell Strangler murders have no known suspects, but you can bet your sweet ass that all of the murderers are dads. Dads kill, that's what they do. That's what they've always done. And if you think that your dad is an exception, then your murdering ass dad, done did raise a fool.

Where was your dad last year, last month? Can you account for us whereabouts the entire time? Where was your dad in September 8th, 2022, when Queen Elizabeth died of quote, old age? Yeah, right. Some dad killed her. Where was your dad in the mid 80s, when the majority of today's victims were murdered? He was probably with my dad. Where were they both?

I don't know. Your dad or my dad if responsible for these murders, but I think they did probably do it. Like a lot of people with dads, I just want answers. We here at DadWatch are just trying to do what's right, and what's right is putting your sick fucking murdering dad and mine behind bars, where they belong.

Call 100-100-DadWatch. With any and all, not sure what your dad or mine was fucking up to, information. Please, we have to stop this madness. Is that the idea that was going? I bet it was. For the majority of the victims of the Red Head murders, I really like that music, by the way. Thanks to the channel Silverman Sound Studios for putting that royalty free little classic out called VHS Dreams. He's me happy. For the majority of the victims of the Redhead murders, their murders still, or their murders excuse me, still unsolved several decades later, four women to the 14 remain unidentified.

However, so many of the 10 who were identified were just identified in the past few years, like Tina Farmer, SB Pilgrim Black, or sorry, Black Pilgrim, Elizabeth Lamotte, and that gives me hope that the identity of the four other women will also be revealed. It's getting harder and harder to get rid of the evidence of a murder,

to just make someone disappear, thanks to continual advancements and forensic investigative technology, getting harder and harder to be a serial killer. I love it. I would love to run out of serial killers to talk about, make it a thing of the past. I don't think that'll ever happen, not in my lifetime at least, but it's fun to think about.

Investigators hope that by continuing to talk about the Redhead murders, continuing to appeal to the public for more information, perhaps one day someone will come forward and the remaining Jane Doe cases can finally be solved. Who killed them? Definitely more than one man. Hope we can catch at least one of these assholes before they die like the other suspects. You know, let at least one of these dudes, even if it's probably my dad,

spend their final golden years in a cell. I gotta figure, what kind of isotope stuff my dad has inside of him. I feel like he has a lot of hunger man, TB dinner and gas station station donut and coffee isotopes Maybe a bunch of apple pie isotopes a lot of chewable thumbs isotopes quite a few vanilla ice cream isotopes Not sure how you know or not sure how you'll be able to figure out how these isotopes can time to sell the murders You probably committed, but get his isotopes certainly can't hurt you thing

That settles it. I'm gonna demand that he hand me over his fucking isotopes. Next time I see him, nuts enough. Now his head's at today's takeaways. I got nothing else. Time suck, tough, five takeaways. Number one, the Redhead murders are a series of murders of Redhead women in the United States. The victim count ranges from six to 14

and the murders range from 1981 to 1992. A source is back that 81 date up to 78. Investigators not sure exactly how many victims there are. There's disagreement about which victims can be classified as red-head murders. So these figures and years change from source to source, and could change further if more bodies are uncovered. Number two, even though the murders happened in the mid 80s, the name Bible Belt Strangler did not show up until 2018,

when a group of Elizabeth X high school students profiled a killer who they felt he committed some of the Red Head murders. The students worked with law enforcement, researched the case to create a lengthy profile of a possible serial killer. They believed he was or is a trucker, a trucker. Well, actually, they believed he was a trucker

who traveled throughout the South and they named him The Bible Bell Strangler because of the location of the murders and the strangulation M.O Number three the strongest suspect in the Redhead murders is still Jerry Leon Johns At least for some of them he seems to have for sure killed one of the victims Tina farmer in 977 Johns was convicted of felonious assault aggravated kidnapped kidnapped against a woman in Tennessee. In 2019, he was posthumously, posthumously, indicted by a grand jury in the murder of Tina Farmer. The similarities between the two cases suggest they were committed by the same person. One victim was brave testimony, got Johns incarcerated for the rest of his life. But then he died in prison before he could

be prosecuted for Tina's murder. Number four in 1985, investigators met to compare notes on the redhead murders cases. They determined that some cases were connected. Others weren't all agreed to share info with each other, but the meeting was largely unproductive. They did not identify killer or make significant progress in connecting or identifying victims. This was the only large meeting amongst law enforcement in the redhead murders case. Investigators just had too many factors working against them to be able to solve these cases.

And number five, new info. Let's talk about another serial killer truck driver who killed in the same area where these women were found. Bruce D. Mendenhall is an American serial killer who was arrested in Tennessee in July of 2007. Mendenhall was born in 1951, grew up in Illinois, married, had two children, and was a long-haul trucker. On June 26, 2007, Men and Hall murdered a woman named Sarah Holbert. On July 12, 2007, Men and Hall was arrested at the TA truck stop on I-24 in Nashville, Tennessee,

after a detective spotted a truck that matched a truck captured by surveillance footage on the night. Sarah Holbert was murdered at the same truck stop. Inside the truck, the detective found bloody clothing, identification, and personal items of another woman from Indianapolis who had gone missing the day before. There are also blood spots inside the cabin on men and halls hands. Inside the truck, the police found a rifle, knives, handcuffs, latex gloves, weapons cartridges, tape, a night stick, and a bunch of sex toys. These items contain the DNA of five different women. Men and halls victims are mostly young sex workers.

He implicated himself in the murder of both Sarah Holbert and Samantha Winters, who was found in a trash can at a truck stop in Lebanon, Tennessee, June 6, 2007. In August 2007, men and halls was indicted for the murder of Samantha Winners and later convicted and sentenced to life in prison. After Menon Hall's arrest, he was investigator for up to seven additional murders, suspected of more other departments were looking into his connection with their cases since he spent 18 years driving across the country. On April 10, 2008, Menon Hall was charged with the murder of Carmen Pipera, DNA testing linked the blood inside the truck cab to Carmen's parents. Investigators also found her phone ATM cart and clothing still inside

men and hull truck. It's fucking trophies is sick. Fuck. She was reported missing in 2007. Last year in the truck stop in Indianapolis, July 11, 2007. Men and haul was arrested the next day. He was being questioned after his arrest. He gave info about six murders in Indiana, Tennessee, Alabama, and Georgia told the Nashville police that he killed a woman

he picked up at a truck stop and indy the day before dumped her body into trash can on Harding Street. The police found the trash can, but nobody inside. Carmen perperes remains were later found along, uh, the Louis B. None Parkway in Barron County, Kentucky, August 15th, 2011. On July 28, 2010, the Birmingham Police now charged men in hall with the murder of Lucille Greta Carter, also found naked in the trash can with a plastic bag taped over her head in 2007. She been shot with a 22 caliber weapon. Finally, in October of 2021, men in hall transferred from Tennessee to Marin County, Indiana to be prosecuted for the murder of Carmen Pappura.

Could this guy have killed some of the red-headed murder victims, some of the Bible-Belt Strangler victims? I mean, he's the right age, born between 1936, 1962, right occupation, right size, able to form stable relationships, worked in the right area, definitely a killer. Guesting they've already ran his DNA to see if it matches anything from the crime scenes we went over and if not, I had the probably shut. Time suck tough, right takeaway. The Bible Belt Strangler Redhead murders have been sucked. Wish it had a more satisfying conclusion. But I do like hearing about those cool forensic advances. Gives me hope that more future murders will be solved and quicker so

we can put the people behind bars while they're still active. And hopefully this narrative was okay. It was a tricky one, even like sharing the notes today. I feel like I needed a fucking war room chart, connecting like tax and pictures and pieces if you aren't. There's a lot of different things happening all over the place. Thank you to the Bad Magic Productions team for helping make time suck every week. Thanks to Queen of Bad Magic Lindsey Cummins.

Thanks to, I believe it's Mr. Logan Keith producing today, the Art Warlock. And doing some directing and thanks to Tyler C for the production. Thanks to Biddelixer for upkeep on the Time Suck app, the Art Warlock again for creating the merch at badmagicmerce.com and for help and run our socials along with the suck ranger and a team led by social media strategist Ryan Handelman and currently managed by Emily the Cardi. Thanks to producer Olivia Lee for the initial research this week and thanks to the all-seeing eyes moderating and the cult of the curious private Facebook page the mod squad for making sure discord keeps running smooth.

Everyone over on the time sucks subredditdit and the bad magic subreddits, I got a little Reddit notification that are there. Yeah, thanks to Berkreister for saying some nice things about me when interviewing Kelsey Cook recently. That was very, very kind, unprompted. So I was, I guess in the comments there was some other podcasts you're lately saying some stuff.

So that's cool. And thanks to the many fantastic sacks doing so much within this community. Next week on TimeSuck. Sometimes I don't like to say that I'm excited for serial killer Suck Breyem. I'm more badly excited to talk about a serial killer that did get caught and one who may have been fucking doomed to become a serial killer more than any other killer we've covered so far.

Terry Blair. Terry killed at least seven women in Kansas City. Of course he did. His mom killed his stepdad when he was 16. His brother killed a woman 16 months later. His sister helped kill a guy and these are the only murderers in his family and their rapists and more, you know, people committing crazy crimes. I've never come across a more fucking murderous family than Terry's family. The crazy ass story of Terry Blair, most murderous member of the very murdery Blair family next week.

Right now let's head on over to this week's Time Sucker updates. First update coming in from superb sack Blake buyer who wrote in with an email subject line of Philly show heroes. A little addition to last week when I talked about how someone died but then was saved in my early show in the film or at the film or in Philadelphia. But San Francisco might know it's because there's also a film over there. This was sent into scared to death actually but makes sense here. Blake writes, Hey whoever's reading this,

Lindsey, bad magician, intern, tired of going through emails, so tired their eyes are bleeding, whatever. My wife and I were at the early show in Philly this weekend, had an absolute blast. The show was fantastic, and seeing you both in person was something we've been looking forward to for a long, long time. I'm glad Lindsey could be there. I'm writing to you because we were sitting only a few rows away

from the medical emergency that paused the show. I was hoping you could give a cross-platform shoutout, not sure if or which show they listened to to the people who helped save that man's life. We saw the entire event unfold, offered to get involved. However, the situation was being handled masterfully by several of your amazing fans, known to us only as flannel shirt guy and pink hair woman. These top shelf meat sex immediately began CPR, continued until our emergency services arrived. It was quite a scary situation, but these heroes didn't hesitate to get involved and did eventually get him breathing again before being taken away. It was a powerful moment of selflessness and heroism that deserves

some recognition. Oh yeah, sure fucking was. Well, not sure still who flannel sure guy was. But 99% sure, pink hair woman was Marlene Lesby. So, hail Marlene. And glad you got to witness that heroism Blake, so incredible. Still hoping to hear how the guy who went into cardiac arrest is doing now. Well, now Blake adds,

on a completely separate and optional note, my lovely considered and selfless wife was kind enough to plan months ahead to give me a spooky shout out in time for my birthday. And that's a scary to death thing. However, here we are three months past a birthday and I'm just emailing you now. Shame, shame, I know.

She's the absolute best. So it has become a running gag between us for her to cheerfully ask every Wednesday. Did you listen to the most recent scary to death followed by still knows poopy shout out, huh? Well, knows poop shout out here on time suck, but I will give her a regular shout out Scout your swamp monster husband Blake loves a shit out of you Sure, he's an idiot and forgets to be as thoughtful as you are in many ways He reminds me of me in that way

But know that he knows he is so lucky to have such an amazingly loving and supportive person as you Not just as his wife, but his best friend too. He loves you, cannot wait to add a little newt to the family, and finally know the Blake added some really nice stuff about liking what we do here, being inspired to be a decent sack and chase his fucking dreams. He's a good one that Blake. And he ended his message with me Nimrod smile upon all who inhabit the suck dungeon, Hail Lucifina, and give Penny Pupar and Ginger a squeeze till they squeak from me.

Well, thank you Blake. I'll fucking squeak those fluffy idiots. Penny Pooper and Gigi Bell. And now, uh, shitty sucker, a shitty New Orleans sucker, Roxanne, sending something that just cracked me up. See, right, tie time suck crew. I'm a new mother of twin boys, and time has become more valuable than ever these past two months.

Sometimes I'll listen to time suck while I'm straightening up the house or getting another load of laundry going, but I'll never get through a whole episode and one go. I'll need to pause the show, come back to it later, and that's what led to the following. This morning I got in the boys to nap and was going to clean up so I put in my headphones, return to this week's episode. Upon resuming I was met with you proclaiming that if you use your shit or someone else's shit is lubed to masturbate with I don't think you're a bad person I was caught off guard and had to sigh for my laughter so it's not to wake the babies my sweet infants who are just trying to sleep while their mom listens to a crazy man Discuss the morality of masturbating with feces

Thank you for making me question my entire existence and for starting starting my day off with Lunacy and laughter, Roxanne and New Orleans. Roxanne. Roxanne! First, I fucking love your name. It's one of my favorite names. Has been for a long time. Second, congrats on your twins and also you should get a medal. Or trophy or something.

For giving birth to twins and raising them. Third, Lunacy and laughter. I've read and butter. Yeah, the world's fucking crazy. Might as well be crazy with it I guess glad you got some laughs one more fecal message shit hitting sucker jeff loonberg has finally fucking had it with my shit and wrote

so for the first time since I started listening to your podcast this week's episode part one of the curtling cult made me yell at you out loud on my drive home. I literally yelled shut the fuck up Dan And was the most grossed out I have ever been It was during the brown section of the show But I did giggle when you said you don't want a kinkshame, but fuck that shit And I said yeah, that's what he likes jeesh Love your shows love you work. Hail the almighty fork chuck her Jeff. Well, I get it Jeff

That two-parter made me get up for my research and pace around saying stuff like, what the fuck? Why is this real? So many times. Jeff and Skidmark, what a special kind of insanity. Those two live together. Now let me finish on another weird moment involving puppets. Swamp sack, Ricky Galloway writes, hey mother sucker, I want to try to keep this brief. I can't thank you enough for making it down into Orleans. My wife Katie and I, huge fans, you stand up, big fans of TimeSug, past weekend, we got to a 10 year show in Nola, had an absolute blast.

We became instant friends with everyone around as I fucking love that. And even got free weed gummies in the process from our new generous friends. Also, I know there were considerable amount of fans, drunk or not, constantly chiming in during the set, but fuck bod, your ability to steer the chaos was killer. Very glad we got to see how passionate the cold to the curious is and love the show, including the opener. I really wish I could remember his name.

Well, his name is Doug Mellard, and he is truly one of the best dudes I've ever known. Like, honestly, beautiful, beautiful human being. Beautiful meets at a kind, generous, irreverent, funny, funny loyal I can go on and on fucking love Doug Miller. Ricky finishes with anyway we love your opening reading of the absolutely insane puppet show at the end of the world flyer that you saw while in town. We thought I was hilarious in the very next day while walking the quarter we see it the very fucking flyer you mentioned that I honestly thought may have been a bit embellished but

there it was and actually took two fullsize sheets of paper to include the insane bullshit this person is promoting. You're taking the whole thing was amazing, really made our weekend actually seeing this the next day. I'm sure you still have it, but I attached a photo of the flower because no one would believe me if I hadn't for proof. We look forward to your next show in Louisiana. Thanks for everything you do. Your loyal and humble sucker Ricky. Well, fucking Ricky, thanks for giving me an excuse to talk about that flyer again. Only in Nola, what do you see this?

And yes, I want to share with everybody now. Let me read from the pick I took. This was at a coffee show called the Orange Couch in the Marineries. If any of you are listening are familiar with New Orleans. And I truly love how artsy and creative and just fucking weird, let your freak flag fly New Orleans culture.

It's what makes it one of my favorite cities in the world. And I just, I just died seeing this poster because it's like, there's lots of hand drawn stuff here. You know, it's not just typed out. Someone put a lot of TLC into making this promotional flyer for their production. And it says, puppet show casting call. Looking for clowns and puppet For shows on April 13th to 17 maybe you can see it at the Happy land theater This is posted by nose pickah at nose pickah on Instagram

That's how you can contact to get involved which is gonna be too late as you hear this but still Listen to the flyer like the the synopsis for what his public show was, says, Showblurb, a peaceful village is crushed under boulders to make wave for a giant rock gem turned eco resort. Two startup bros enjoy the new age experience until their company goes under. Their forces stay on as indentured work traders to pay off the hotel fees. Will they be converted to the shady wellness culture or join or join a resistance to toxic positivity? That is like so preposterously uber specific. Like a puppet show first off

is so fucking niche. And then if you're doing a puppet show about the most obscure thing, and I just I was talking here in the show in the Orleans, starting off with this about, I just hope that this is somebody's like, this is, everything's fucking riding on this. Like they've maxed out their credit cards to buy puppet supplies. You know, they got this fucking plan on the wall

where it's like, okay, first where he's gonna, we're even fucking get the puppet show. We're gonna start small. The puppet show in the Orleans, they were gonna build up bigger and bigger theaters. We're gonna fucking take it on the road. We have a tour bus, a separate fucking trailer get the puppet show. We're gonna start small. You know, the puppet show in New Orleans, they were gonna build up bigger and bigger theaters. We're gonna fucking take it on the road. We'll have a tour bus, a separate fucking trailer for the puppets.

Then obviously Netflix, HBO, get into a bidding war. Who wants to show the most? Like it's just, like I love that they're doing this. I hope they're doing it just for fun. But I'm like, I had this conflicted feeling about this puppet show where part of me is like, there's probably only seven or eight people in the world interested in this puppet show, but at the same time, I would fucking love feeling about this puppet show where part of me is like there's probably only seven or eight people in the world Interested in this puppet show, but at the same time I would fucking love to see this puppet show

Yeah, I was gonna say it's coming up in a couple weeks and that what you said yeah When this episode when this episode releases I think it's gonna be like within a day or two Okay, if it gives anybody time definitely if you can't check it out, out. Please report. Please sneak a video instead of a video to us. I honestly hope that it is fucking phenomenal. Oh, that'd be awesome. Yeah, it's like the same, I mean, I haven't seen the flyer, but you said a lot of work went into that.

Oh yeah. The production as well. I hope it's top notch. Someone's down there, get a sneak peek and let us know. Yeah, and I truly hope that I'm proven wrong. I would love this show two years from now to be trending number one in Netflix. Yeah, and I truly hope that I'm proven wrong. I would love this show two years from now to be trending number one in Netflix. Yeah, all right, it gets picked up.

It's the most talked about fucking new show of the last like decade. It's like Earth Shattering. Earth Shattering. It fucking revolutionizes puppetry and also just like social commentary. Social commentary. Social commentary.

I do. Thanks everyone for the updates. Thanks, time suckers. I need a net. We all did. Thanks for listening to another Bad Magic Productions podcast, everybody. Scared of death, time suck, each week, secret suck, each week for you, paid-trown supporting space lizards.

Please don't run off with my dad and start adding to this poor nation's unsolved murders this week. Just stay away from him. Keep an eye on him. But, you know, keep your distance while you keep on sucking. I haven't really railed on my dad for a while with that joke. He's mentioned it a few times in the past. I wonder if this is going to get back to him.

There are some people in his circle that listen to show. And I do wonder like, is he going to get sick of it? And how crazy would it be if he's never murdered anybody? I just fucks him. I keep making fun of him. I keep making fun of him I keep making fun of and then finally he fucking snaps and kills me which would actually be a pretty legendary way to wrap up this podcast yeah that'd be a nice little bow very memorable I mean sad for me and Tyler and everybody else but

but the story but the story of the story sacrifice it probably needs my god maybe maybe he could mention in that cool fucking new puppet show coming up The story of sacrifice probably needs my hate. God, maybe he could mention in that cool fucking new puppet show coming out.