Timesuck with Dan Cummins - 368 - The Korean War: First Shots of the Cold War

Episode Date: October 2, 2023

How much do you know about "The Forgotten War" as the Korean War - technically a UN Police Action - is often called? Sandwiched between WW2 and Vietnam, it's never gotten the attention it's deserved. ...So let's give it some!  Also, do you know how connected Jon Bon Jovi is to the Korean War? You're about to... CLICK HERE TO WATCH MY NEW SPECIAL ON YOUTUBE! Trying to Get Better Get tour tickets at dancummins.tv Watch the Suck on YouTube: https://youtu.be/MxXj6iQ6bNsMerch: https://www.badmagicmerch.comTimesuck Discord! https://discord.gg/tqzH89vWant to join the Cult of the Curious private Facebook Group? Go directly to Facebook and search for "Cult of the Curious" in order to locate whatever happens to be our most current page :)For all merch related questions/problems: store@badmagicproductions.com (copy and paste)Please rate and subscribe on iTunes and elsewhere and follow the suck on social media!! @timesuckpodcast on IG and http://www.facebook.com/timesuckpodcastWanna become a Space Lizard?  Click here: https://www.patreon.com/timesuckpodcastSign up through Patreon and for $5 a month you get to listen to the Secret Suck, which will drop Thursdays at Noon, PST. You'll also get 20% off of all regular Timesuck merch PLUS access to exclusive Space Lizard merch. You get to vote on two Monday topics each month via the app. And you get the download link for my new comedy album, Feel the Heat. Check the Patreon posts to find out how to download the new album and take advantage of other benefits

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Starting point is 00:00:00 If the best minds in the world had set out to find us the worst possible location in the world to fight this Damable war US Secretary of State Dean Atchitzin once said the unanimous choice would have been Korea And he was wrong the fighting that occurred during the Korean War which lasted from 1950 until 1953 the war itself is technically still ongoing would be characterized by many things Uncompromising terrain lack of space for land invasion, freezing winners, humid muggy summers, frostbite and disease. In an enemy, so ruthless that some of their deeds are better suited for a true crime episode than a military history one. And both sides could say that of the enemy.
Starting point is 00:00:42 It wasn't just the communist aggressors that were massacring civilians and committing war atrocities. At the end of the Second World War, Korea, which had formerly long been occupied by the Japanese Empire, was divided somewhat arbitrarily along the 38th parallel, effectively chopping it up into today's north and south Korea. In the wake of World War II, both the United States and the Soviet Union came up with what they thought to be a great plan for figuring out the ideal path to Korean self-determination. One would take one portion of the peninsula, one would take the other, and then they would occupy each and help figure out how to create a government and a constitution and all those good things with the opposite side overseen it. Does that sound like a great plan when each side could not be more ideologically opposed to the other? It was not a great plan. It wasn't a good plan.
Starting point is 00:01:29 It was doomed from the start. The Soviet Union quickly used their influence to convince North Korea that communism was the way, the only way that all Koreans must be communist. The Korean People's Army, the KPA, was rapidly established in North Korea, born from communist guerrillas who had previously served with the Chinese People's Liberation Army, and were also advised by Soviet personnel. By mid-1950, the KPA was made up of 10 infantry divisions, plus other units, totaling some 223,000 men. And most of this militarization was done covertly. Before all the modern satellite
Starting point is 00:02:05 surveillance and other means of being able to figure out what your enemies are up to, it was easier to amass an army that your enemies would not know about until it was too late, or nearly too late. As the US flounder to mid-South Korean uprisings and UN negotiations, North Korea militarized, and soon their eye would be on re-unifying the Korean peninsula and claiming it all for communism And on June 25th 1950 the KPA invaded South Korea rapidly claimed the capital city of Seoul and quickly advanced southwards trapping South Korean and American troops in a small perimeter around the port of Busan the opening shots fired in the Cold War Although caught off-guard it unprepared the US wasn't going to let the North Koreans keep what they had taken port of Busan. The opening shots fired in the Cold War. Although Kadov
Starting point is 00:02:45 guarded unprepared, the US wasn't going to let the North Koreans keep what they had taken. Appealing to the UN, many countries sent in troops to support the South, the US, Great Britain, Australia, Canada, India, New Zealand, South Africa, and more, but mostly the US. The US would send just under 1.8 million military personnel overall to serve in some capacity in the Korean War. The UK sent in the second most personnel with roughly 60,000, Canada third with 27,000 and the numbers drop off quite a bit from there. Who would win? The Communists or the Capitalists? The North Koreans or the South Koreans? Spoiler alert, it wouldn't be that simple. Life and thus history rarely
Starting point is 00:03:25 is. But it would be fascinating and horrifically bloody. The day we get curious about the so-called Forgotten War, including what preceded it with the Japanese occupation of Korea and how the peninsula was divided into northern and southern halves. We get into the horrors of POW camps and the negotiations that dragged on while more and more bodies kept piling up in another cold war US troops once again do a most of the fighting overseas and foreign lands addition of time suck Happy Monday meets X. Welcome or welcome back to the cold to the curious. I'm Dan Cummins, a master sucker, 2023 wet hot bad magic summer camp survivor. Man, thankfully not raised with any murderous brothers guy who still can't find these scrolls to learn how to shoot wizard fireballs.
Starting point is 00:04:25 And you are listening to TimeSack. This is the first episode of recorders since returning back from summer camp. Thank you so much to everyone who came to Pennsylvania and just made it such a magical experience. It was incredible. I expected a lot and it was better than what I expected. I know there are a lot of questions from those who went about if we are going to do it again or not do it again. And we are, we haven't firmly decided, but 99% sure we are going to do it again at the
Starting point is 00:04:53 same location, but not until 2025. We got to take a year off. Lindsay, I need a year to lean things down a bit and recharge your batteries. If you listened to last week's Secret Suck, you know all about it. Too much to get into here. Just, you know, been doing too much weekly content and extra time consuming things like planning camps for too long without like a real break and taking some steps to avoid burnout. I know I've taken vacations, but I've just taken working vacations. So anyway, gonna see how it feels to do less bonus content and focus on time sucks, scared of death, stand up and having a non-work life for a while and see how that feels. Gonna make some healthy choices.
Starting point is 00:05:32 Maybe go to the doctor and stuff. And I don't have anything wrong with me, but you know, maybe go to an appointment here and there. For now, stand up, feeling manageable along with these episodes. And I will be working on material. I've been having a blast doing stand up. God, the summer camp show was so fucking fun. But I'll be in Burlington, Vermont, Buffalo, New York and Chicago, Illinois coming up this month and next month.
Starting point is 00:05:52 So I hope to see you there and you can get tickets to all dates at dancomans.tv. One more thing before we dive in, stick around for the end of today's show for another special edition of Time Sucker Updates. I partnered again with BetterHelp and I will share some more insight and advice given to me to give to you by a licensed therapist.
Starting point is 00:06:10 Based on questions gathered months ago from many of you MeetsX. And now let's get into a big episode. The Korean War, sometimes called the Forgotten War, because, well, I mean, it was super forgettable just because no one cool fought in it, right? Paul Newman, Kirk Dogg, Liz Ted Williams, Lee Marvin, Johnny Carson, Charles Bronson, Mel Brooks, so many other cool people, actor, sport stars, you know, they fought in World War II. And none of those kind of people fought in the Korean War.
Starting point is 00:06:39 The coolest person to fight in the Korean War was a man you probably never heard of. Jimmy Thunder Tucker. Thunder Tuck was a producer on a moderately successful country music station, 98 and 9 the rooster out of Knoxville, Tennessee. And he was known for his signature catchphrase, you've been Thunder Tuck. And then 50 years later, he would successfully sue Ozzy Rockers, ACDC, for barely changing the words. And making that signature little phrase, you know, part of their big 1990 hit Thunderstruck. But then he would lose his newfound fortune on trying to market a brand of bourbon called
Starting point is 00:07:11 Thunderstruck that was 195 proof made roughly one out of five people who drank it, go blind. No, JK, of course, JK, plenty of cool people fought in the Korean war and Thundertuck does not exist to my knowledge. But now, of course, I wish he did. people fought in the cream war and thunder tuck does not exist in my knowledge but now of course I wish he did thunder took but the Korean war has been called the forgotten war partly due to its placement in history between world war two and the Vietnam war. Both wars that greatly affected global politics, American culture and society. Korean war began only five years after the end of world war two and world war two would dwarf the conflict in terms
Starting point is 00:07:43 of total loss of life. What was directly, what was directly immediately at stake and the amount of players involved. And the Korean War ended just two years before the start of Vietnam, a conflict that thanks to the emerging counter-culture, less trust in the government, more investigative journalism, would end up stirring up a lot more overall cultural dissent with the US citizenry. Also like with Vietnam, the US never officially declared war in Korea. It was a United Nations police action on America's part. Congress never officially declared war in North Korea.
Starting point is 00:08:16 But just like the Vietnam, get the fuck out of here, it was war. What's more unlike World War II in Vietnam life back in the US remained relatively the same during the Korean War, right? Outside of a draft, there was no rationing, there was comparative lack of of newspaper coverage, you know, and just Evening news coverage. It didn't dominate the press like the other wars did Maybe the biggest reason for it being forgotten though was the eventual lack of an obvious victory It didn't end with cheers and passionate kisses and victory parades. It ended with more of a, huh, just kind of a shrug really. The war became a stalemate.
Starting point is 00:08:51 And ultimately an armistice was signed, which ended the fighting, but not the war itself. Though a stalemate might be a harder thing to enshrine in patriotic memory, it's this stalemate and the massive efforts the US went to to try to end it in such a small period of time that does make the Korean War so memorable. More than 54,000 Americans were killed more than 8,000 went missing in action in a war that lasted only three years. As opposed to the Vietnam War where just over 58,000 US died within a period of over 15 years over five times as long. And it wasn't only American forces who died. Korean war was the first war fought by a coalition of UN forces. The United Nations had just been formed in the fall of 1945. 19 countries would send in troops to fight against the communist. Next to the US,
Starting point is 00:09:36 the UK and Turkey would lose the most. 746 UK military personnel would die as would 741 Turkish fighters. Even tiny little Luxembourg would lose a would 741 Turkish fighters. Even tiny little Luxembourg would lose a few soldiers in this war. This was also the first war in which aircraft engaged in air to air combat, excuse me, jet aircraft engaged. Aircraft had engaged in previous wars and dog fights, but this was the first time it was jet fighters. And it was the first skirmish in the cold war between the Soviet back communists
Starting point is 00:10:11 and the you know capitalist us very significant war uh you know it was uh i should say i could say you say like uh a democratic as opposed to capitalist would be the better comparison between communism in in america uh indeed it was a skirmish that would eventually shape the entire cold war itself as a stalemate began a battle between capitalism and communism that would last for decades or democracy and communism You know, it really is still going on and yet it gets very little attention compared to World War One or World War Two or Vietnam or more recent military international actions like Operation Desert Storm or Operation Enduring Freedom But it deserves some extra exposure. I'm happy to give it here. Now let's give it that exposure. You curious motherfuckers and get started.
Starting point is 00:10:49 [♪ OUTRO MUSIC PLAYING [♪ Journey now to a place that many of us probably have never been to before. Though I bet many would like to. Korea. I would love to check out Korea. Well South Korea. Mostly, honestly, due to my love of ramen soup. Holy shit. Do I love a good bowl of ramen soup with some miso broth some pork Right make it to soft boiled eggs and I love Korean cinema Hot damn do Koreans make some amazing movies
Starting point is 00:11:18 Parasite old boy the wailing on and on and if I was which I'm not, I'm very much in love with my beautiful wife Lindsay, I think it's gorgeous. I'm not trying to get myself in trouble here, but also, I have always found Korean women to be some of the most beautiful women on earth. Amazing cheekbones, slight and curvy at the same time. Silky hair, hairless of fina. I'd also like to check out South Korean tech, right? Samsung, LG and more. What shit do they have over there that's gonna take five fucking years to get over here? And it would be great to hike in some of their parks. See Iraq's on national park, a book on son, national park and more. So I guess there's a lot of fucking reasons I would like to go check out South Korea someday. I had no idea
Starting point is 00:11:57 how interested I was in South Korea. And so I started talking about Korea. K-pop, not one of the reasons by the way. I know it's huge, but not into it. Sorry, K-pop pants. American soldiers did not get to enjoy the best of Korea though. It was very different to the 1950s. Whether it was the same though, not the best for fighting. Korea was once known to English speakers as chosen. When winter hit, Americans dubbed it frozen chosen. Temperatures would drop well below zero. I'm talking 30, 40 below zero. Mountain is peninsula jutting south from the Asian land mass.
Starting point is 00:12:28 Korea is a 600 mile long piece of land, some 85,000 square miles, about the size of Utah, more or less shaped like Florida. No, it's Florida. If the Florida is America's dick, Korea's Asia's dick. Extends to nine parallels of latitude in the US,
Starting point is 00:12:44 roughly from Boston, Massachusetts to Columbia, South Carolina. Extends to nine parallels of latitude in the US roughly from Boston, Massachusetts to Columbia, South Carolina. The 38th parallel about the latitude of Lexington, Kentucky will become the political north-south border. In width, Korea varies from 200 miles at the broadest point to 90 miles at its narrow waist. Much of the land is mountainous with the dominating feature being the Taibeck mountain range, which runs down from the East Coast and causes most of Korea's rivers to flow to the West. The to the West is China, to the East Japan, to the South lies the Korea straight and on the north is Korea's only land border marked by the Yalu and Tumyun rivers. Beyond the Korean border lies a 500 mile stretch of Chinese Manchuria and at the north
Starting point is 00:13:23 eastern tip of the Korean Peninsula a small 11 mile section of Soviet Siberia. As the Korean Peninsula was settled, some 700,000 years ago, the landscape records eons of human development, from the tools made of animal horns and stone to the comb patterned pottery of the Neolithic age, around 8,000 BCE, around 10,000 BCE. The first peninsula leaders consolidated their power, forming proto-states, we think. Throughout recorded Korean history, rulers have done their best to remain isolated
Starting point is 00:13:53 and to steer clear of great power politics. And that has often not worked out in their favor. Since ancient times, Korea has been the preferred invasion route to Japan into the Asian continent, as well as the dagger aimed at Japan from China. There's an old Korean maxim and it says, when the whales collide, the shrimp in the middle is the one who suffers. Poor Korea.
Starting point is 00:14:14 Is that a little fucking shrimp again during the Korean War, suffering. When American soldiers arrived for the war, Korea's population was around 30 million for the whole peninsula. North Korea though, contained 60% of the land area, had about a third of that population, so around 10 million. Because the North generated most of the peninsula's electricity, though, it did own the bulk of Korean heavy industries. Still, the entire country was poorly connected
Starting point is 00:14:37 with fewer than 50 miles of paved roads. Unpaved roads meant mud in the summer, dust in the winter, and the North, there were only a few single single track rail lines connecting to a double track rail line that ran from the capital soul, southeast to Busan, then Namosi as Busan, which is how I'll refer to it today. And Busan was and still is the peninsula's biggest commercial port located on the east coast, a 245 mile drive to the southeast from Seoul. South Korea was almost entirely agricultural, going rice and barley, and people living in one story buildings made a mud, small sticks
Starting point is 00:15:11 and South Korea's rolling wilderness. The summers were like they still are fucking hot, rainy and humid. Temperatures can reach 105 degrees Fahrenheit with the humidity reaching 90% in July. Climbing Korea's tea-Pills and carrying a weapon and ammunition, not to mention a heavy pack on one's back was fucking brutal. Newcomers often collapsed before reaching a summit, and there were so many summits. Seemed as soldiers like there was always another hill, a hill with no paved roads, lying ahead. One popular Korean war refrain was not this hill, the next one. Winters were the worst freezing
Starting point is 00:15:46 winds came down out of Siberia and in the mountains were most of the fighting took place. There was a constant numbing icy chill. Staying in the open meant risking frostbite. But becoming too comfortable and you're sleeping bag meant the possibility of being surprised and killed by a merciless enemy who fought it all hours of the day and night. In order to understand the fighting that took place in Korea, first we need to look at why the nation was divided into Northern and Southern halves at the Closer World War II by the Soviets and Americans who in theory wanted to prepare the peninsula to govern themselves. Why did Korea need any preparation? Well because it had been a long time since they self-governed. Japan had long ruled Korea and exploited the ever-loving shit out of them. 1910, Korea was annexed by the Empire of Japan, which planned to dominate all of Asia.
Starting point is 00:16:32 Under this false message of liberation, if you'll recall from our World War II two-parter, the good old greater East Asia co-prosperity sphere, where Asia would be free from western imperialism, and instead brutally subjugated by the Japanese who consider themselves racially superior to all other Asian cultures, only when prospering in this plan and this fear were the Japanese. Korea would be considered a part of Japan until 1945 in order to establish control over its new protectorate, the Empire of Japan waged an all out war against Korean culture and sovereignty. Japan set up a government in Korea with the governor,
Starting point is 00:17:08 generation, filled by generals or admirals appointed by the Japanese emperor, so a puppet government. The Koreans were deprived of freedom of assembly, association, the press, free speech, schools and universities forbade speaking Korean, emphasized manual labor and loyalty to the Japanese emperor, public places adopted Japanese and an edict to make films in Japanese soon followed, and also became a crime to teach history from non-approved texts,
Starting point is 00:17:35 and authorities would burn over 200,000 Korean historical documents, essentially just wiping out the historical memory of Korea. Imagine if that happened today in America. Why does some foreign power came over, started erasing our culture, replacing it with their own? Imagine some foreign ruler came over and did, well, you know, literally exactly what we did to all the American Indian tribes.
Starting point is 00:17:57 But for real, put it in the context of right now. All of a sudden, your history books are burned, replaced with new ones, touting how Russia or China is the fucking best. Most benevolent nation in the world, and if you disagree, well you're gonna get reeducated motherfucker. All of a sudden you know podcasts like this are replaced with state propaganda, social media centered, way more than AI bots like Realboy Tiago already do sensor Facebook. What if instead of losing your job because you won't take a vaccine, you're put in prison or tortured if you don't do what the government says? You put in prison or tortured if you protest or if you openly love, you know, your own culture. And then there were all the land grabs that Japan did.
Starting point is 00:18:35 Japanese colonial government did a shit like promoting land survey ordinance that forced land owners to report the exact size in areas of the land. And if they failed to do that, which many farmers did because they weren't told in Korean to do this and they didn't speak Japanese, then they were deprived of their land. Right, again, imagine that you worked your fucking ass off to buy yourself a farm, you own it free and clear. Maybe you inherited it from your parents. It's been in your family for generations.
Starting point is 00:19:00 And then you just get tricked out of it by some foreign government. Now you have nothing. Right, how tempted are you to go full-bonged Jovey blazer glory. I'm going down in a blazer glory. Lord, I never drew first, but I drew first blood. I'm no one son. Call me young gun. I know that reference is a stretch. But it does kind of fit what I was saying. I've always said, my, my I've always said my whole life. Any opportunity I have to work Bon Jovi lyrics into a historical podcast episode about the Korean War and the preceding events that led up to it. I'm going to take it.
Starting point is 00:19:37 Anyway, farmland and forest owned jointly by village or a clan were likewise expropriated by the Japanese since no single individual could now claim them. New law, much to the land thus expropriated was sold cheaply to new Japanese immigrants. So there's taking all their stuff, taking their culture, the occupation government also promoted Japanese commerce in Korea while borrowing Koreans from similar activities, traditional colonial power shit. So similar to what the British Spanish Portuguese and others did to so much the new world, similar to what we did to native tribes, what the Romans did, anyone not Roman, what the
Starting point is 00:20:10 Mongols did to people not Mongol with the Aztecs did to non Aztecs, et cetera, et cetera. Japan did to Korea what aggressive growing empires have done to populations, you know, they've taken over for as long as there has been empires. Russia doing it to Ukraine right fucking now. But then Japan got its ass kicked at the end of World War II. So now the question was what to do with Korea. This question was on the Allied powers minds long before decisive victory was achieved. Defeating Japan meant the possibility of striking down a long held Asian order, potentially
Starting point is 00:20:40 leaving the continent in chaos in the power vacuum, who would take control? US leaders worried it would be someone not friendly to Western democratic capitalistic leanings. The Soviets worried the same, but in reverse. The Cairo Declaration issued on December 1, 1943 by the United States, Great Britain and China before the Communist took it over pledged independence for Korea and due course. When you're ready and As you can imagine most Koreans did not like that found it pretty, you know patronizing felt quite a bit insulted
Starting point is 00:21:15 They felt like in the words of one of America's foremost late 20th and early 21st century philosophers It's my life. It's now one ever I'm gonna live forever just like John Bon Jovi said, they wanted to live their lives as they saw fit right now, now or never. I never knew how much the Korean War meant to John Bon Jovi, prior to this week. The words do course arouse the leaders of the Korean provisional government in Chongqing to request interpretation from the US regarding exactly what the fuck that meant. Their request received no answer. Then, if the Galta conference held in February of 1945, between the world's superpowers,
Starting point is 00:21:50 to decide how to reshape a lot of the world, following World War II, President FDR, frankly the Roosevelt, proposed to Soviet Premier Joseph Stalin, Dickhead, a four-power trusty ship for Korea consisting of the US Great Britain and the USSR and the Republic of China. Stalin agreed to Roosevelt's suggestion principle, but they never reached any formal agreement. And after the y'all to meeting, there was a growing uneasiness between the Anglo-American allies and the USSR. Nobody quite knew how the communist USSR and the capitalist west were going to co-exist post-war. Spoiler alert, not real well. Could be worse, no nuclear apocalypse, but still not well. Throughout the Potsdam conference in July of 1945
Starting point is 00:22:32 when the USUK and the USSR were brainstorming on how to prioritize global peace following World War II. US military leaders were encouraging Soviet entry into the war against Japan. The Soviet military leaders asked their US counterparts about invading Japanese occupied Korea. The Americans replied that such an expedition would not be advisable until after a successful landing
Starting point is 00:22:52 to take in place on the Japanese mainland, which of course would never happen because two massive fucking bombs were dropped on Japan instead. The ensuing pot-dam declaration included the statement that the terms of the Cairo Declaration, which promise Koreats independence shall be carried out. But it still didn't say when. So, the plan is still to assist North Korea, i.e. occupied and brainwashed.
Starting point is 00:23:12 I mean, train Koreans into accepting US or USSR approved system of government and then let them do what they want, whatever they want, if whatever they want is what the USSR or the US wants. Then as soon as Japan surrendered, swarms the Soviet troops poured in for Manchuria, occupying North Korea. And the Cold War, a term that will very soon be coined in October of 1945, had begun. The general order number one drafted a few months earlier on August 11th by the United States for Japanese surrender, terms in Korea, provided for Japanese forces
Starting point is 00:23:45 north of Latitude 38, north also known as the 38th parallel, to surrender to the Soviets, and those south of that line to the Americans. Why the 38th parallel? US Army officers deen rust and charles bone steel. Chuck fucking bone steel. What a name. Consulted a National Geographic map of Asia to determine the post-war dividing line between Soviet and US zones of controlling Korea. This is ridiculous. Neither man was an
Starting point is 00:24:12 expert on the country. And they just look at this map and failing to find any obvious natural barrier between North and South Korea, North and South. They just somewhat randomly selected the 38th parallel, a border that was tentatively proposed at the Pottsam conference. Right, this line at Quick Glance looks like it divides things pretty evenly, but it actually doesn't. North Korea is about 21% bigger.
Starting point is 00:24:36 So it's not really in the half. Imagine your nation being divided up by two superpowers, just like a couple dudes, randomly slicing into a pizza. This division had nothing to do with the ideologies of the people living on either side, and everything to do with diplomacy between the USSR and the US. So again, like, you know, typical colonial shit reminds me of what multiple colonial powers did to Africa, you know, many, many decades ago. Just fucking arbitrarily just kind of chopped it up.
Starting point is 00:25:00 And then like, oh, man, this is led to chaos, that's crazy. Once again, Korea is the damn shrimp. Draft between two big colliding whales, and once again, right? The shrimp's gonna suffer. The new division placed the capital city of Seoul in the American zone, but it was just 35 miles south of that dividing line. So a little tense, right? The residents of Seoul have been at least somewhat nervous
Starting point is 00:25:22 about North Korea aggression pretty much ever since this has happened. Like would you sleep easy at night knowing that your enemy who fucking hates you wants to destroy your your system of, you know, government is just like a half hour drive away. Stalin did not object to the American proposal and on September 8th American troops landed in southern Korea almost a month after the first Soviets entered the North. The following day the US received Japanese surrender in Seoul. There were now two zones, northern and southern, and the Soviets began to seal off the 38th parallel. And what was supposed to be focused on the restoration of Korean autonomy would quickly become a proxy war between American capitalism and Soviet communism.
Starting point is 00:26:01 I don't know why I got hung up on capitalism versus communism earlier, as opposed to democracy versus communism. Either one works. And really, capitalism makes more sense. I'm a little sleepy. Since US policy toward Korea during World War II had aimed to prevent any single power's domination of Korea, it may be reasonably concluded that the principal reason for the division and occupation by US troops as the war was ending was to stop the Soviet advanced south of the 38th parallel. But for Koreans, this is all incredibly confusing. In the South's various political parties, quickly officially spring up, many had likely been loosely operated in the shadows for many years already.
Starting point is 00:26:38 Although they were roughly divided into rightists, leftists, middle of the rotors, they all had a common goal, the immediate attainment of self-government for the entirety of the rotors, they all had a common goal, the immediate attain, immediate attainment of self government for the entirety of the peninsula. As early as August 16, 1945, some Koreans organized a committee for the preparation of Korean independence, headed by one young Lou, who was closely associated with the leftist. On September 6, the delegates attended a national assembly that was called by the committee proclaimed the people's Republic of Korea, but the US military government under Lieutenant General John Arhodge, the commanding general of the US Armed Forces in Korea, refused
Starting point is 00:27:14 to recognize the Republic. Asserting that the military government was the only government in Korea as stipulated in general order number one. There was an idea on the part of the US to create a trusty ship that would supersede both the American and Soviet occupation forces. A great thought maybe but obviously in practice fucking complicated. The world's two largest military powers with wildly different, basically complete opposites, political ideologies working together in theory to prepare a peninsula with strategic military significance for independence or you know for both of them
Starting point is 00:27:48 So yes, strategic military independence, you know for both the Soviets and the US and but they're they're supposed to just you know Let go of this. Did anyone actually think that this shit was gonna work out Then things got even more complicated In late December of 1945 the council of foreign Foreign Ministers, representing the US, the Soviet Union, and Great Britain, met a Moscow and decided to create a four-power Korean trustee ship of up to five years. Upon receiving the news, Koreans reacted understandably violently. It's my life, it's now or never. I'm gonna live forever.
Starting point is 00:28:25 You get it. February of 1946, South of the 38th parallel to Sue the discontent the military government created the Representative Democratic Council as an advisory body to the military government. The body was composed of Koreans and had added share as its chairman, Sigmund Reed, former president of the Korean government in exile. Reed was considered somewhat of a Korean George Washington. He been born in 1875 in what is now North Korea and became an active member of the Korean student movement against Japanese occupation.
Starting point is 00:28:54 1897 he was jailed and tortured for his desire for Korean independence. Converting to Christianity while in jail, he was released in 1904 and came to the United States where he received a BA from George Washington University, an MA from Harvard University, and a PhD in theology from Princeton University. He was no dummy. When he returned to Korea in 1910, he became an active leader of a Korean provisional government in exile and campaigned tirelessly for United and independent Korea. Now, after pushing for independence for Korea for roughly half a century, he is chomping at the fucking bit to get Korean autonomy now. And he wants to be in charge.
Starting point is 00:29:31 But the foreign military government had other plans. On October of 1946, the military government created an interim legislative assembly, half of whose members were elected by the people, and half appointed by the military government. The assembly was empowered to enact ordinances on domestic affairs, but subject to the veto of the military government led by foreign officers, so kind of empowered, but not really. And soon the assembly would publicly condemn the trusty ship in Korea. So everybody's just thinking, who the fuck is in charge here? Well, all this has happened in South what's going on in the North? Unlike US forests in the South, the Soviet army marched into the, you know, the northern part of the peninsula in 1945,
Starting point is 00:30:08 a company by band of ex-patriate Korean communists. By placing the ladder and key positions to power the Soviet Union easily, quickly set up a communist controlled government. On August 25th, 1945, the People's Executive Committee of North Korea's South, Hem Young Province. Fucking communist love, long names.
Starting point is 00:30:27 Was created by the South Young Province, Communist Council, and other nationalists. The Soviet authorities recognized the committee's administrative power and the province, thus setting a precedent for the committee's role throughout the provinces of the Northern Zone. This was how the Soviet Union placed the North's under control without actually establishing a military government. So they basically did the same thing as the US was doing in the South, but they did it
Starting point is 00:30:48 sneakier. Letting Koreans think that they had self-determination, but really the Soviets were in charge of their North Korean puppets. The new North Korean government was ran by North Koreans, but North Koreans hand selected by the Soviets. Soviets who had long indoctrinated them into their common beliefs. In October of 1945, Korean leaders in the North organized a bureau of five provinces administration, a central governing body, and this was replaced in February of 1946 by the Provisional
Starting point is 00:31:19 People's Committee for North Korea. This news agency, a centralized government, excuse me, this new agency, not a news site, a centralized government adopted the political structure, of course, of the Soviet Union. Right? The Soviets would not have accepted anything but that. Soon, charismatic and ruthless leader would emerge. Communist leader Kim Il-Sung, who had fought in the resistance movement against the Japanese occupation, arrived in Pyongyang in the uniform of the major of the Red Army and was introduced to the people as a national hero on October 14th 1945 right. We know he was born in 1912 near North Korea's capital city of Pyongyang, but much of his early life other than that unclear due to the North Korean government for
Starting point is 00:32:01 decades putting out a much weird fucking north korean propaganda aimed at making it citizens think he was literally some kind of god just like they will do with his successors uh... for example north korean kids will be taught at school that kim yung's or kim ilsung uh... could teleport to the dark battle uh... he also didn't shit like didn't take a poop no not our leader our leader our teleporting leader doesn't. That's just for us non teleporting dirty mortals.
Starting point is 00:32:27 He was super smart, right? He was writing patriotic slogans and beautiful calligraphy by the age of three. It's a fucking genius. Other probable truths are that he and his family supposedly left Korea from Anchuria to escape the Japanese occupation. And in 1962, when he was 14, he joined China's communist
Starting point is 00:32:44 youth league, later attended the Wampoa Military Academy in Canton. Over 15 years later, he traveled to the Soviet Union during World War II, studied at a Russian military academy, and later commanded one of two Korean units that fought at Stalin grant. By the war's end, he had risen to the rank of Lieutenant Colonel and had been awarded the Order of Lennon by Joseph Stalin. He was a great communist believer.
Starting point is 00:33:06 He was Stalin's laptop. True believer when it came to communism, uh, wasn't a god, but was a warrior. And he would fight for his beliefs. When Soviet troops entered Korean August of 1945, they brought their puppet Kim with them to administer the country. Shortly after his public appearance, Kim was elected, quote, unquote, I fuck about it. Uh, first secretary of the North Korean Central Bureau of the Communist Party. You know, whether he got the most votes, anyone's guess.
Starting point is 00:33:31 After the provisional people's committee was organized with Kim, his chairman is soon the helm of existing central administrative bureaus. Year later, February of 1947, a legislative body was established under the name of supreme people's assembly and with strong support of the Soviet occupation authorities, Kim commenced consolidating his political power. It was now South Korea versus North Korea. Who was the legitimate government? How the fuck were things going to be consolidated into one Korean government now?
Starting point is 00:33:57 Well, of course they weren't. When the joint US-USSR Commission came together in 1945, it was decided that the opposing power would supervise the other powers military commands. So the USSR would be supervised in theory of the US, while the US supervise the USSR, but are either of those situations going to be allowed to happen now. When the commission convened in Seoul from March to May 1946, the Soviet delegates demanded that those Korean political groups that had opposed trustee ship be excluded from voicing their opinions I had already started with their suppressive bullshit
Starting point is 00:34:30 The US who had already seen backlash in South Korea for doing the exact same thing refused soon the idea of a unified Korea began to collapse The community met again from May to August of 1947 Chief nothing towards unification to August of 1947, uh, chief nothing towards unification. USSR would soon block another move for unified Korea. This took place in November of 1947 when the UN General Assembly in New York City adopted a resolution proposed by the US that called for general democratic elections in Korea under the observation of a UN temporary commission on Korea. These elect or those elected, excuse me, were to make up a national assembly, establish a government and a range with the occupying powers for the withdrawal of their troops from
Starting point is 00:35:10 Korea. But the USSR, you know, put up a big old block. They barred the temporary commission from just entering at all the Northern zone. The democratic election would not bowed well for their plans. They knew that while North Korea was the larger section of the peninsula geographically, right, South Korea population much bigger, about 10 million in the North versus around 20 million in the South, Southern population indoctrinated into favoring capitalism as opposed to communism, you know, twice the voting power. Wall of vote in the North was now not going to happen. The South held elections under the supervision of the temporary commission on May 10, 1948. The National Assembly convened on May 31, elected, singmanry as its speaker. Shortly afterward, a constitution is adopted and re-elected president until July 20, 1948.
Starting point is 00:35:55 Dude waited a long time. State focused on the prize for five decades. And now we got it. That is a pretty cool story. And he still has it. He is still running. Salah's career today. That is a pretty cool story. And he still has it. He is still running South Korea today. He is 148 years young. He will possibly always be running South Korea. He just loves it so much. You know, it's like, it's like he used to sing. I will love you, baby.
Starting point is 00:36:31 Always and I'll be there forever and today. Always I'll be there till the stars don't shine till the heavens bust and the words don't rhyme and I know when I die, you'll be on my mind and I love you always. Now you didn't sing that. And I didn't sing that well. I fucked up the middle part. But you have my Jovey. World's foremost, historical songwriter with an emphasis on North Korea and history. He sang the shit out of that. And Rhea is not currently ruling South Korea of court. No, he's been dead for a long time. But he would run South Korea for a while. On August 15th, 1948, the Republic of Korea was inaugurated, was sold as the capital, and the temporary military government came to an end. In December, the UN General Assembly declared that the Republic was the only lawful government
Starting point is 00:37:15 in Korea, as in the only lawful government for all the Krain Peninsula. As you can imagine, the USSR, North Korea, and then like that. Stalin was like, and I quote, what the fuck I quote what fuck what fuck who fuck think they built me? Yankee scum fuck Uncle Samhori Yankee scum fuck not tell me who make dollar with Stalin what the rubles come fucked it It's a loose translation Sometimes it's hard to find an exact English equivalent for a lot of Russian words And I'm not nearly as fluent in Russian as I am an Italian. The North made an opposed to move declaring their own legitimate government.
Starting point is 00:37:50 On November 18th, 1947, the Supreme People's Assembly of North Korea set up a committee to draft a constitution. The committee adopted the new constitution April of 1948, and on August 25th elections for members of the Supreme People's Assembly were held with a single list of candidates. On September 3rd, the Constitution was ratified by the Supreme People's Assembly, which was holding this first meeting in Pyongyang. Kim Il-sung appointed premiere. Ha!
Starting point is 00:38:14 Fucking crazy. It's crazy you got those votes. And on September 9th, Democratic People's Republic of Korea was proclaimed with the Capitol at Pyongyang. And on October 12th, 1948, the USSR recognized this state as the only lawful government in all of Korea You hear that uncle Sam? So the writing is on the wall Take that and this uncle scums fuck Sam
Starting point is 00:38:35 Sanco fucking Yankee suck coming to cockpain this winter, right? He's very upset. It's very worked up The half of Korea occupied by American forces the half of Korea occupied by American forces, the half of Korea occupied by Soviet forces, never gonna be unified. At least not peacefully. War is imminent now. Which government will win? Who will rule all of Korea, the capitalist or the communists? Will the Koreans ever truly get their sovereignty back?
Starting point is 00:38:57 I know almost all of you already know the answers to all these questions, but still fun to ask them. Let's examine the details of the answers. And today's, the time for war has come, time suck timeline. Right after today's mid show sponsor break. And we're back to the Korean War.
Starting point is 00:39:14 Let's get into the weeds now for real with our timeline. Shrap on those boots, soldier. We're marching down a time, some time line. Back to 1946, focusing on the military build up now that we already know how the two governments formed in the wake of Japanese surrender in the end of World War II. What we didn't cover was how each side responded militarily. South Korea began to organize a police constabulary reserve. I think I got that word right constabulary. I think so. It always tricks me a little bit. In December of 1948, the
Starting point is 00:39:52 Department of National Defense was established, but it wasn't really ready to do much defending. By June of 1950, when the war broke out, South Korea had a 98,000 man force, but they were only equipped with small arms, like barely enough to deal with internal revolts from communist insurgents and border attacks. Military preparation in North Korea, much more extensive. Four years earlier, in 1946, the Soviet authorities had already organized a 20,000 man constabulary and numerous army units and by that August the North Korean army was established. It's titled changing to the Korean's people army in February of 1948 by the end of 48 the KPA, whatever 125,000 troops, and an additional
Starting point is 00:40:30 45,000 Soviet occupation troops. Virtually all North Korean labor party members were urged to enlist, and there was also a general conscription of men between the ages of 18 and 35 to be ready to fight. Also as early as 1946 the Soviets were sending thousands of Koreans to the USSR for specialized training. Along with that, the Soviet Union sent over 150 Soviet-made T-34 tanks, three types of artillery, 122-millimeter howitzers, self-propelled guns, about 150 aircraft, with pilots tankers and tank-mainteness personnel all trained by Soviets. North Korea would also get help from China, in the form of 12,000 ethnic Korean troops from China's army. At the onset of war, well,
Starting point is 00:41:10 it's thought a lot of North Korea. I don't have to fucking 23 me for all of them. That's probably mixed. Chinese and Korean. At the onset of war, North Korean forces would be far superior to those of South Korea and training equipment and numbers. The military might or lack thereof, the South Korean army would be put to the test on October of 1948 when a revolt broke out in the cities of Yusu and Sunchi'an. Approximately 2000 left leaning soldiers based in Yusun, yeah excuse me, Yusun, the Yusun area raised arms and opposition to the regoverments, handling of a previous uprising in Jeju, regarding basically, you know, you an involvement in South Korea. Local troops rushed to the scene, some police force, and after several days of
Starting point is 00:41:51 savage fighting, managed to quell the communist inspired rebellion. As a result, some 1,500 communists were purged from the consabulary. Decades later in 2003, the South Korean government would admit that up to 20,000 suspected communists between the two uprisings were jailed, beaten, stripped of their property, many of them murdered, etc. So many war crimes during this period of Korean history on both sides. Nearly 5 million people overall will die.
Starting point is 00:42:18 More than half of these, about 10% of Korea's pre-war population were civilians. And this rate of civilian casualty will be higher than World War 2 or the Vietnam Wars rate. Several weeks following the Yosun incident, the R.O.K. government for public of Korea, A.K.A. South Korea, set up departments of National Defense Army and Navy. All the same time, all the other forces became part of the R.O.K. Army. The R.O.K. Army was organized into eight combat divisions, totally in approximately 65,000 men equipped with the USM1 rifle, 30 caliber carbine, and 60 millimeter and 81 millimeter mortars. Other American weapons included rocket launchers, anti tank guns, and howardsers, but nothing stronger. And that was intentional. The US initially didn't want South Korea to be capable of waging aggressive warfare, because they didn want to be dragged into another war mother big war close to world war two
Starting point is 00:43:08 They still hoped that the North and South could work things out peacefully And at least relatively peacefully and that's why the South Koreans didn't get tanks Medium artillery for you know point two-inch mortars Recoilous rifles fighter aircraft bombers know the shit Similarly the R.O.K. Navy consisted only of a patrol craft recently purchased from the United States three other similar aircraft in Hawaii and route to Korea one landing ship a Tank 15 former US minesweepers 10 former Japanese mine layers various other small crafts
Starting point is 00:43:40 US wanted to limit South Korea's ability to escalate and this policy, you know, will backfire when the South Koreans don't have enough firepower to stop Northern communist aggression and the US then gets pulled into war anyway and into a war that their ally is losing The Soviet occupation forces left North Korea in December of 1948 leaving behind for training purposes 150 advisers for each army division and Those advisers would soon come in handy early 1949 Kim Il-Sung, pressed his case with Stalin, that the time had come for a conventional invasion of the South.
Starting point is 00:44:12 Turned all of Korea in the Communist Korea. And Stalin actually refused. He was having second thoughts, briefly about communism. Did he still enjoy sending innocent people to Guleg's, sacrificing millions of his citizens as cannon fodder and wars, having suspected traders and political rivals assassinated on his whims? Yeah, of course he did. He loved all of that. But he also was thinking about how he loved cheeseburgers and driving movies.
Starting point is 00:44:34 He jumped to opening a fried chicken franchise. He wanted to try his hand to beat poetry and Greenwich Village. And he won a more time for romance. He met a girl named Gina on a secret trip to New Jersey, and he wanted to maybe take a union job working on the docs to help put more money in the table so she didn't have to work all day at the diner. Right?
Starting point is 00:44:51 She had written him a letter that really spoke to his heart. We've got a hold on to what we've got. It doesn't make a difference if we make it or not. We've got each other and that's a lot for love. We'll give it a shot. Whoa, a half way there. Whoa, live in on a prayer. Sorry. I really shoot Horned those Bon Jovi lyrics into that time. I just wanted to shake shit up, you know, just for a bit there. Stalin didn't refuse because his commitment to communism was wavering. He loved communism and he hated Yankee's scum, fuck Americans.
Starting point is 00:45:32 The Stalin was concerned about the relative unpreparedness of the North Korean armed forces and about possible US involvement. But he did promise to prepare for, you know, war when, or help prepare for war when the time came. March of 1949, the USSR concluded a reciprocal aid agreement with North Korea in which it agreed to furnish heavy military equipment and by June of 1950,
Starting point is 00:45:53 North Korean forces numbered 135,000 including a tank brigade. Meanwhile, US occupation forces completely withdrew from Korea by June of 1949, leaving behind a force of only about 500 men as a US military advisory group to train the South Korean armed forces. US military had way less men than it had a half decade earlier. Far less money for new equipment too. The US had significantly downgraded its military spending in the wake of World War II, which makes sense.
Starting point is 00:46:19 Right? From 50 billion to 1945, down to about five billion in 1950. In 1945, there were 8,250,000 men on active service. 1950, less than 600,000. The American public had been eager to get the boys home quickly. American men were working good factory jobs now, buying homes in the suburbs with white picket fences and little dogs and getting busy creating baby boomers and not fighting and dying across the world like they had been in both world war two and world war one right war was something that America was fucking sick of the us 8th Army you know the us 8th Army excuse me under lieutenant general
Starting point is 00:46:55 Walton age Walker was holding things down in Japan with four divisions but because of peacetime economy the 8th was really a so-called hollow army. The divisions had two regiments instead of the standard three. Moreover, as one veteran remembered, we were using equipment, weapons, salvage from Okinawa in places like that. We never saw anything new. There was also the far east air force under Lieutenant General George E. Stratomire and the US fifth air force under major general Earl E. Partridge. They were in better shapes in the army, but also well below standard strength. Only 553 other aircraft were in operational combat units. Over 600 other aircraft were either in storage, some stated disrepair, or were being used for
Starting point is 00:47:35 transport or training. The US Navy in the Far East was probably in the best shape of any of the services. Naval forces in the Pacific under the command of Admiral Arthur W. Radford, US naval forces far east commanded by Vice Admiral C. Turner Joy. And nearby waters, the Navy had a cruiser, a destroyer division, part of a mine sweeper squadron, and a small amphibious force. To the south was the seventh fleet, commanded by Vice Admiral Arthur D. Sterbill, and it composed of the aircraft carrier Valley Forge, a heavy cruiser, and eight destroyers. Still these troops were far from combat ready and far from ready to help South Korea. But much like the USSR, the US made it clear to the government in South Korea that they
Starting point is 00:48:13 would help set things up and send support if needed. And they already were given financial aid. In October of 1949, the US granted South South Korea, $10 million, $200,000 for military aid, and then another $110 million for economic aid for the fiscal year of 1950. The first year of a contemplated three-year program. In addition, the US Congress approved 10,970,000 for additional military aid in March of 1950.
Starting point is 00:48:41 What an interesting thing, right, to give other nations economic aid, not loans, just give them money give them weapons etc Uh, the US by the way has given out over 3.75 trillion dollars in foreign aid adjusted for inflation since the end of World War 2 the US has provided more financial assistance to foreign nations than any other country in the wake of World War 2 financial assistance to foreign nations than any other country in the wake of World War 2. Meanwhile, from what I've been able to dig up, the US has not received any foreign assistance from any nation since the fucking Civil War. When Russia sent two naval fleas to American waters to protect the strategic ports in New York and San Francisco, why do we always give but never get? Well, technically, the US is the richest country in the world, has been for over 60 years with a GDP of $25.46 trillion and a total net worth of a 145.8 trillion.
Starting point is 00:49:33 That's slightly different than 25 bucks. We have a GDP of 25 bucks. We're good. We're good. They don't fucking need anything. Like we got a 20 and a 5. It's enough for everybody. No, 25 trillion.
Starting point is 00:49:45 But we also currently carry $7.3 trillion in foreign debt. And I just don't fully understand why a bunch of that debt can't be forgiven if we're continually fucking bankrolling so many other countries, right? Cause the lives of many of us, you know, helping the lives, right? Not just money, excuse me.
Starting point is 00:50:02 Not just giving money to foreign nations, but also sacrificing the lives, right? Not just money, excuse me, not just giving money to foreign nations, but also sacrificing the lives of our citizens to help one foreign nation after another. That's what I wanted to say. I know this is a bit of a tangent, but that shit just pissed me off, right? It's not like we don't have a ton of economic problems to work on here that we could work on more quickly
Starting point is 00:50:19 if that debt was forgiven. Okay, back to the US, given shit to South Korea, who has yet to give shit back to us, we should all at least have free, big screen plasma TVs. The financial military gifts and assistance to South Korea, just to begin of America's still ongoing role as the leading proponent of global democracy. Month later in April of 1950, a National Security Council report known as NSC 68 had recommended to the u.s. you that the u.s. excuse me use military force to
Starting point is 00:50:48 contain communist expansionism anywhere it seemed to be occurring regardless of the intrinsic strategic or economic value of the lands in question but jangles just not with a steeley looking at that i think you always i think i think you also just mouthed uh... money well spent and may have quoted rambo you just don't turn it off uh... what the u.s. was doing here in korea would mark the beginning of the u.s. policy known as containment
Starting point is 00:51:15 geopolitical foreign policy of preventing the spread of communism the policy caused a response from the soviet union cold war escalation baby uh... to increase communist influence influence in Eastern Europe, Asia, Africa, Latin America. Containment represented a middle ground position between detente, relaxation of relations, not confident on detente, detente, pronunciation, and rollback actively replaced in regime. But just because it was a middle ground, didn't mean containment, couldn't be bloody and
Starting point is 00:51:42 costly. NSC 68 concluded that a massive military buildup was necessary to deal with the Soviet threat. According to the report drafted by Paul Nitzie and others, in the words of the Federalist, number 28, the means to be employed must be proportioned to the extent of the mischief. The mischief may be a global war or it may be a Soviet campaign for limited objectives. In either case, we should take no avoidable initiative, which would cause it to become a war of annihilation. And if we have the forces to defeat a Soviet drive
Starting point is 00:52:11 for limited objectives, it may well be to our interest, not to let it become a global war. Well said, Mr. Nitsy. I think sometimes our role as global watchdog and the international military actions we frequently take both covertly and overtly can seem like we're overstepping, right, over spending, overreaching. But what if we didn't do that?
Starting point is 00:52:31 What if the Soviets did manage to spread their brand of Marxism across the globe because we didn't act in places like Korea? What if that domino fell and then it led to another and another and soon we were no longer capable of stopping more from falling? What if they grown too powerful? What if someday we were flanked by a communist nation with ties to the Soviets directly to the North and Canada Directly to the South in Mexico. What if we didn't do anything preventive and things spread to the point where communist aggression had led to World War three Right some type of nuclear holocaust
Starting point is 00:52:58 And if like me you might think yeah, but why do we have to do that? Why is that our job? Well, I guess the simple answer is, if we didn't do it, who would and who else is capable of doing it? The US has now long had the most powerful military in the world, right? And second place is Russia. Third place is China. Not our friends. As of April 2023, we have 92 destroyers, 11 aircraft carriers, 13,300 aircraft, 983 attack choppers.
Starting point is 00:53:27 China has 50 destroyers. Russia has around 4,100 military aircraft. But again, why the fuck aren't we being paid for that global presence, right? Sorry again, just an interesting quick tangent to me. Back to the early summer of 1950, after their Kim visit to Moscow in March in April of 1950, Stalin approved an invasion. Now with a go ahead from China's Communist leader, Miles Dung as well,
Starting point is 00:53:50 Stalin gave his reluctant approval, sent Soviet military adviser to Korea to help plan a campaign. From the historic evidence, it seems Kim assured Stalin of a quick military victory. One that would include a communist lead general uprising against Sigmund Rie. And it looks like Kim foolishly did not think the US would intervene He probably figured you know with his fucking teleportation mortal combat like powers. How many lose?
Starting point is 00:54:13 He's a god. He's fucking tip tip teleport around the battlefield. Do what he needs to do On the night of June 24th 1950 Soviet Howard serves and self-propelled guns were positioned along the 38th parallel Some Soviet made T-34 tanks cautiously moved forward to attack positions along with 90,000 roughly trained combat troops. And what was happening this time in the south? Well, they were actually dealing with a massive defection problem with a lot of runaways, big runaway problem heading to the North. She's a little runaway. That is good. Learn fast. All the things she could have say. She's a little runaway. I feel like those
Starting point is 00:54:58 bunch of lyrics did fit a little bit better. Kind of. If that was happening, but it wasn't. What was really happening in the South? The military equipment committed under the US military assistance program was still in route to South Korea. By the way, how many fucking hits a John, but still be half? A lot, a lot. South Korea not ready for war, but war of course is coming. June 25th, 1915 North Korean troops launched a full scale invasion of the South. At five years of simmering tensions on the Korean peninsula, the Korean War begins. Early on a Sunday morning, North Korean forces numbering somewhere between 75 and 100,000
Starting point is 00:55:31 troops, storm across the 38th parallel and a fierce well-coordinated attack. The stuns, both the South Korean defenders and their American advisors. The NKPA has between 150 and 200,000 troops, organized into 10 infantry divisions, one tank division, one Air Force division, North Korean Army, well disciplined, well trained, well equipped, undertaking a blitzkrieg style invasion using T-34 tanks supported by artillery, resources and South Korean Army by contrast, frightened, confused, and seemed inclined to flee the battlefield at any provocation.
Starting point is 00:56:02 They had no tanks, no anti-tank weapons, something the US had made sure of, and they were quickly overwhelmed. And that makes me picture for whatever reason, like very, very small South Korean men, frail, really, wearing like camo shorts, flip-flops, tank tops, only weapons or slingshots. While some of them have ball bearings to shoot,
Starting point is 00:56:20 most of them just have marbles. You know, maybe some rocks they can find. Hold their ammo in fanny packs. And then when fucking giant North Korean soldiers with machine guns and tanks and more come down, they squeak, like a little younger, and they run haphazard in any direction not towards the North Koreans.
Starting point is 00:56:34 You know, maybe they have one of those old Warner Brothers cartoon reactions, like their eyes literally pop out of their heads, steam comes out of their ears when they see the approach in North Koreans. Oh, gah, gah, gah, gah, gah, gah, gah, gah, gah, gah, you know, this is like David versus Goliath. If David was squealed, turned and ran away as fast as possible.
Starting point is 00:56:49 And I don't blame him. They didn't have the fucking weapons. Ambassador John J. Muchio, or Mucho, a John Tattoo Mucho fired off a cable to get washed on his attention. It would appear from the nature of the attack and the manner it was launched that it constitutes an all out offensive against the Republic, the Republic of the attack and the manner it was launched that it constitutes an all out offensive against the public, the Republic of Korea.
Starting point is 00:57:08 Yes, sure did. President Truman who had gone home to Missouri for the weekend, hurried back to the Capitol now. After meeting with his national security advisors, he had US ambassador Warren Austin recommended the UN Security Council that members of the United Nations furnish such assistance to the Republic of Korea as maybe necessary to repeal the armed attack and restore international peace in security in the area. In London, UK Prime Minister Clement Atley read Truman's resolution to the House of Commons, the North Korean attack Atley said is naked aggression and must be stopped.
Starting point is 00:57:39 He said the British representative at the Security Council had been instructed to support the American resolution. Fortunately for the US, Jacob Malik, the Soviet representative was boycott in the Security Council, the time of at the time and protest of the fact that the Communist China hadn't given a seat. With Malik absent from the meeting where he could have exercised a veto, the motion is now passed. June 28th, the North Korean Army proceeds south and tent on capturing Seoul. 90,000 plus North Koreans leave devastated towns in their wake as they capture Ujjibu, a highway center, 30 miles north of Seoul, and soon they will progress into the city.
Starting point is 00:58:13 And don't get caught up on the exact number of troops. It fluctuates quite a bit from source to source. North Koreans, so it's not known for being honest and sharing, uh, you know, information. South Koreans not doing a good job of repelling them. Early that morning, the main bridges over the Han River, crucial to get into Seoul, are blown up by the ROK Army. Engineers gave no warning to military personnel and civilian refugees crossing the bridges.
Starting point is 00:58:38 Uh oh, not only were hundreds of civilians killed, but the ROKs had also trapped 44,000 of their own men north of the river. So pretty big fuck up. Soon the North Koreans are at Seoul, but the North Koreans did not accomplish their goal of quick surrender by the regoverment and the disintegration of the South Korean army. Instead remnants of the Seoul area of South Korean forces formed a defensive line now south of the Han River. Still, if the South was to stave off a total collapse, it would need help from the US
Starting point is 00:59:04 armed forces and quickly. And the US would of course help. And to do so, they needed to rapidly build their forces back up. Truly concerned that this was the beginning of a planned communist takeover of the fucking world, Truman ordered the US to provide assistance with air and land forces in Korea. Truman ordered the US's seventh fleet to prevent any attack on Formosa and strength in the US forces and the Philippines. Carrier-based planes of the US Navy and Marines, Air Force fighters including F-51 Mustangs now began to fly missions in support of South Koreans.
Starting point is 00:59:36 The South Koreans with the US's help will dominate the skies for the entirety of this conflict. In Japan, Douglas MacArthur, the decorated World War II hero who had been overseeing the occupation of Japan decided to see the situation for himself. He told his staff, the only way to judge a fight is to see the troops in action. And true to his word, he took off from Tokyo's Haneda Airport, headed for Korea in his personal plane, the Patan, along with Major General Edward M. Almond, his chief of staff, Major General E.K. Wright, his operations officer, and Lieutenant General George E. Stratomire, his air chief. MacArthur was shocked by what he found.
Starting point is 01:00:10 Situation was beyond chaotic. Streams of refugees flowing south, shattered R.O.K. arm units, unable to form solid defensive lines. Although one R.O.K. division was digging in along the line of the Han River, it was clear it couldn't hold his position long. MacArthur immediately wrote to Washington, the only assurance for the hold of the Han River, it was clear it couldn't hold his position long. MacArthur immediately wrote to Washington, the only assurance for the hold of the present line and the ability to regain later the lost ground is through the introduction of US ground combat forces into the Korean battle area.
Starting point is 01:00:35 To continue to utilize the forces of our air and navy without an effective ground element cannot be decisive. He urged the immediate deployment of an American regimental combat team followed by further build up from eighth army divisions presently in Japan. Truman and his officials approved the Senate of two divisions to Korea from Japan and established a naval blockade of North Korea. At a press conference, Truman was also asked if the country was at war and he replied, no, we are not at war, right? Big fucking triggering word at this point. The follow-up question was, would it be possible to call this a police action under United
Starting point is 01:01:09 Nations? And Truman said, yes, that is exactly what it amounts to. A police action taken to help the UN repel a bunch of bandits. Bandits! Godstank bandits have scurried. They're weaselty little bandit bottoms down beneath the 30th parallel. And other up to all kinds of high jinks and shenanigans and Tom Foulery. Oh my lamp. If you only knew a kind of mischief and horse play these bandits have been getting into. We've also had reports that the bandits are not operating alone. They may very well be in cahoots with rascals clown around get in a monkey business.
Starting point is 01:01:40 Sorry, it's lovely. He said that we're bandits. Later American GIs would quote the term police action with grim irony. Basically, like get the fuck out of here, police action my ass. Following passage of the security council resolution, the United Nations Command was established with Douglas MacArthur as its first commander general headquarters or yeah, far east command then became the principal part of general headquarters, United Nations Command, all these lengthy terms. Other nations asked to lend all possible support.
Starting point is 01:02:08 MacArthur was ready to fucking go and he ordered Walt Nathewalker, commander of the A-th Army to dispatch a reinforced battalion combat team to Korea without delay. Yeah, yeah, go there. But unfortunately, that battalion didn't exist. It would have to be cobbled together. Walker called on major general William F. Dean. Oh, fucking belly Dean. Commander of the 24th Infantry Division,
Starting point is 01:02:31 the forest headquarters closest to Korea, Dean in turn gave the mission to Colonel Richard Big Six Stevens. 47 year old barrel chested commander of the gimlet to 21st Infantry Regiment. Fucking dick Big Six Stevens on the case. Late on the night of June 30th, Stevens called Lieutenant Colonel Brad Smith, commander of the Regiment's first battalion, said the lit is blown off. So get your clothes and report to the CP, the command post.
Starting point is 01:02:56 When the 34 year old Smith arrived, Stevens told him to prepare rifle companies BNC from his battalion for immediate movement to the to it was eca oh my gosh it's to zuki there we go eat to zuki eat to zuki airbase couldn't find a pronunciation getter for that one kind of guessing these poor bastards many of them just got done doing so much to save the free world from Hitler and now they're dealing with this Stevens would grab man from other units to bring those companies up to strength also beefed up Smith with some heavy weapons, plus a communication section and a medical section. In addition, a detachment from the 52nd field artillery battalion would link up with them
Starting point is 01:03:31 in Korea. Excuse me. Erdogan the next morning, when the newly created task force Smith arrived at Itazuki, its crew cut, division commander, 50 year old William F. Bill Dean was there to meet them again. Billy fucking the son of Jimmy, Prince to a sausage fortune or not. But he was a war hero. Dude received all kinds of military honors following the war ticker tape parade, statues, lots of shit, all very much deserved. One of America's best. When you get to Pusan Dean told Smith head for Ty John, we want to stop North Koreans as far Pusan as we can, block the main road as far north as possible.
Starting point is 01:04:08 Contact General Church. If you can't locate him, go to Taijon and beyond if you can. Sorry, I can't give you more information, but that's all I've got. And you fuck a whopping in the nuts. Go ahead, get here, rascal! Maybe. The task force was shuttle in Air Force C54 Skymasters. Four engine transporter graphs.
Starting point is 01:04:24 Tired by sturdy veterans of World War II. To an airfield near Tucson at the Salty Stern tip of the peninsula, the heavily lotus guy masters tore up the dirt air strip as well as the air lift though. Cut and Smith's heavy firepower and half and reducing his force from 440 to 406. So she it. As Americans traveled in vehicles to the Pusan Rail Station now cheering cheering crowds lying in the streets and waived banners, flags and streamers, that evening at the Railyard of Korean Band created an almost holiday like atmosphere. But then the mood quickly dampened when a train loaded with South Korean casualties pulled in. My God, someone said, maybe there's a real war on.
Starting point is 01:05:01 But mostly there was a feeling of real confidence. I believe that the North Koreans would back off once they realized that the Americans had in as a fight. I mean, that is pretty fucking cool that the American military inspired that kind of confidence. Arriving to Ty John Smith met with general church, pushing through swarms of refugees, he tasked force and headed north. Smith selected a defensive position just north of Saan, a place where the main highway ran
Starting point is 01:05:24 through his saddle and descended into a long valley. You can see all the way to Siouxon, eight miles to the northwest and would cover by fire both the highway and nearby rail line. Early in the morning of July 5th, 1950, Smith looked through his binoculars, saw on the distance a column of 33 Soviet tanks, mounting powerful 85 millimeter cannons. The Americans had no planes to bomb them at this moment or anti-tank mines, so they had to rely on their 105 millimeter artillery,
Starting point is 01:05:50 recoiled its rifles and bazookas, and it was enough. None of their weapons could penetrate the tanks' thick armor. So the tanks just kept coming, tearing up the telephone wire, laid alongside the road, destroying landline communication with the rear. It was heartbreaking, recalled one veteran. To watch those men firing point blank and doing little damage, rockets hit the tanks and the tracks, turrets and bogies, still couldn't stop them.
Starting point is 01:06:14 Imagine that, getting a clear first strike on the enemy, out maneuvering them, out fighting them, nailing tough shot after tough shot, and it doesn't do shit. You just can't compete with those gosh dang bandit rascal warm shins. About 11 in the morning, look out spotted more moving on the road. Three enemy tanks, let a column of trucks carrying NKPA, North Korean people's army, regiments, between 4,000 and 5,000 men. The task force opened up with everything it had. Trucks burst into flames.
Starting point is 01:06:42 Men were blown into the air blasted into the roadside ditches. The enemy column came to an abrupt halt and soon crowds of infantry began to deploy ammunition soon ran low and Smith had to give in order to withdraw having sustained somewhere between 30 and 40 casualties. Cohesion was soon lost single or in small groups. Men took to the patty fields or tried to follow the line of the nearby railroad track. As they did, they dodged machine gun and mortar fire or didn't and were killed. Eventually Smith assembled about 250 members of a task force, many of whom would be wounded.
Starting point is 01:07:11 The others have been either killed or captured. About 34 would die in North Korean prison camps. On a macro level as North Korean offensive continued, remnants of the ROK army were offering resistance along a wide but thinly held front. By now, more 24th division units were arrived in Korea and taking positions along the crucial highway, beginning at the beginning at Seoul and running south to Pyong-Tak, Chowchi-Won, Taijong, and Taigoo. They tried and vain to stop the NKPA advance.
Starting point is 01:07:39 First at Pyong-Tak on July 5th and 6th, then it Choo-chan or Chun-An on July 5th and 6th, then it, uh, Choo Chon or Choonon on July 7th and 8th, meanwhile the division's 21st Infantry Regiment taking heavy losses at Choon Y. At one point, he gained some lost ground in a counter attack and for the very first time, the Americans discovered a communist atrocity, something that would become too familiar in the days ahead, right? There would be more overall atrocities
Starting point is 01:08:02 committed by South Korea actually, but this time blood is on North Korea's hands. Six American GIs, their hands first tied up with barbed wire, have been shot in the head. And another site, civilian bodies, found in a ditch. July 11th, the gimlets are down to 1100 men, fewer than half the number that arrived from Japan. Jeez.
Starting point is 01:08:20 The last of Dean's Regiments to arrive was the 19th infantry known as the rock of Chikamaga. Dean told the men to set up at the Sun River. They hoped to buy some time for others to arrive. Engineers blew up the Kim River bridges where weary GIs waited for the coming attack, but the Americans were not able to hold. North Korean troops used barges to cross the river, and the Americans were forced to retreat. The North Korean army was proving formidable and consistent. Their pattern was to attack while the other half of the force took blocking positions in
Starting point is 01:08:46 the rear, and flicking heavy casualties when the Americans tried to withdraw. The US Navy and Air Force continued to batter the enemy performing attacks on NKPA, armored, transport, and infantry, but tragically friendly air strikes went awry occasionally, resulting in casualties amongst either the Americans or South Korean allies. Two more American divisions arrived, the 25th infantry in the first cavalry, and General Walker had set up an 8th Army headquarters. But Dean's 24th division was still bearing the brunt of the fight and taking the losses. Dean himself was part of the action, even knocked out an enemy tank with the fucking rocket
Starting point is 01:09:19 launcher. A statue at the Battle of Ty John Memorial in Day John South Korea will later memorialize this. After knocking out that tank, I wonder if Dean yelled some version, oh fuck yeah, bro, or if it was more like bandit type talk. I'm guessing language was as coarse back then in moments like that as it is now. Later that day, the Americans were driven out of Ty John in disorder and Dean became separated from his men and would then spend 36 straight days wandering around in the wilderness
Starting point is 01:09:49 with no food, trying to get back to friendly lines. 36 days. Dude started out weighing 210 pounds, ended up weighing 130. He was ultimately led into an ambush where he tried to blast the enemy away with a pistol, but was captured. And then he would spend the next three years as an Earth Korean prisoner of war, refusing to dive old sensitive information to the enemy no matter what they did to him. He even attempted suicide to make sure that no amount of torture would make him talk.
Starting point is 01:10:18 Around the time of Dean's capture, the police action, not going great for the Americans. Near Osan, along the Coom River, through Taijon and South to Taigoo, US soldiers fought and died in some flint. Weakened by inadequate weapons, limited numbers, and uncertain leadership, US troops were frequently beset by streams of refugees fleeing South, which increased the threat of guerrilla infiltration due to the strong possibility that some of these refugees were actually communist insurgents. Also it was one of the hottest and driest summers on record and desperately thirsty American soldiers were often forced to drink water from rice paddies that had been fertilized with
Starting point is 01:10:53 human shit, not kidding. As a result a lot of you as soldiers literally blew their bottles off due to the devastating effects of cholera, many of McGill's pop, rest in peace, Donovan McGill, heard in North Korea. And if you get that old ridiculous reference, thank you for still listening after all these years. No need to blew their bottles off, but some did get sick and died.
Starting point is 01:11:14 For real dangerous intestinal disease, other illnesses, a constant threat, agileye drew to a close, ROK army units were in the east and the mountains and along the coast. Between July 20th and 30th, the ROK Third Division made one of the few successful holding actions, but slowly they were beginning to be pushed back. As the NKPA drove down the west coast to try to
Starting point is 01:11:34 eliminate potential opposition by murdering civil servants, also began an assault on Chimju, positioning themselves to drive on Pusan and cut off all UN forces in Korea. Moving to block them were the 19th Infantry Chicks, right? Chicks short for Chikamaga, from the Raka Chikamaga and two battalions of the 29th Infantry Regiment which were newly arrived from Japan. 700 men from the 29th Infantry reached the Hadong Pass near Jinju. I've seen it, Jinju and Jinju on July 26, 1950, but they ran into an ambush and were soon overwhelmed, outnumbered many times over, and it was a massacre.
Starting point is 01:12:10 Some fought their way out, but three to four hundred died. Meanwhile the R.O.K. Army was falling back on the eastern flank in the central sector. The enemy was heading for Tai Gu, and then in the southwest, Qinju would fall. If Ma-san were to fall, the North Koreans would have a straight shot to Busan. Situation was grim. But on July 31st, the 9th regiment of the US Second Infantry Division began to land at Busan, three days later the first Marine, provisional brigade arrived from Camp Pendleton, California. General Walton Harris Walker planned to use the Nuk-dong River as a barrier and with the new troops, finally had a defensible line.
Starting point is 01:12:44 Following back, Nolong scene is a viable option, further retreat would lead to disaster, so Walker would issue his famous Stand or Die order. This dude was another badass motherfucker. This dude a war hero in World War I and again in World War II. Requested and was granted permission to serve under General Patton in World War II, one numerous awards for leading from the front, right? Fearlessly exposing himself time and time again to enemy fire to inspire his troops to make dangerous movements.
Starting point is 01:13:12 He went and distinguished service cross for extraordinary heroism in the Korean War as well. So three wars, it was a war hero. And it wanted again for personally exposing himself to enemy fire to help his troops win the war, to do a whole suck on that man's steel. And now in Korea, this guy said, a retreat to Pusan would be one of the greatest blood bass in American history. We must fight until the end.
Starting point is 01:13:33 If some of us must die, we will die fighting together. Any man who gives ground may be personally responsible for the death of thousands of his comrades. I want everybody to understand that we are going to hold this line. We are going to win. That's a fucking bad ass speech. Imagine hearing that. Imagine feeling the pressure of knowing that if you try and leave to save your life, you might be killing others, right? Directly responsible for the death of hundreds or thousands of others. And if you're hearing that come from someone who doesn't just talk to talk, but walks the walk, whoo! The Americans took General Walker's speech to heart,
Starting point is 01:14:08 they would hold the line. What became known as the Pusan perimeter. The line extended about a hundred miles to the north and south, about 50 miles east to west, and was anchored on the port city of Pusan. Soon the North Koreans were attacking the line at several points. Fortunately, the arrival of new units, such as the Marine Brigade, Brigade, allowed the 8th Army to not just defend, but also to begin mounting a few limited offensive. Along the southern coast in the Mason sector, Task Force Keen, named for its commander, Major General William Bekeen, commanding general of the 25th Division, and one of the key planners of World War II's D-Day, attacked with elements of the 25th division, the first provisional Marine Brigade,
Starting point is 01:14:48 and the fifth regimental combat team newly arrived from Hawaii. But then several thousand enemy soldiers attacked and forced and drove a wedge between Keen's two forces. The columns were brought to a halt with the 555th field artillery battalion, losing six of its guns, the 90th field artillery battalion losing five and about 300 men from both outfits killed. Task Force Keen had no choice but to withdraw. But the operation produced some significant results. Enemy commanders were racing against time, hoping to capture Pusan before the UN forces became too strong.
Starting point is 01:15:18 The task force stopped the southern prong of the offensive and severely interfered with combat with the communist timetable. Soon Americans control the skies would be even more important as aircraft provided potential backup for ground units, which while also destroying bridges and roads. And now the US's tank survive. They came from Fort Knox, men of the 70th tank battalion equipped with M26 Persians, mounted with 90 millimeter guns. This is huge.
Starting point is 01:15:44 On August 8th, the penetration by the NKPA 4th Division resulted what became known as the first battle of Noctong Bulge. Everyone was thrown into the fight, even engineers. After 10 days of heavy fighting, the 24th Infantry Division reinforced by the first Marine Provisional Brigade were able to contain the enemy. By August 19th, the NKPA 4th division had been nearly destroyed. They'd lose around 1200 men compared to the US losing around 600 Marines. Elsewhere along the perimeter, some of the heaviest fighting involved the first cavalry division commanded by Major General Hobart Hap Gay, they are responsible for a front 35 miles long, helped by the first battalion 23rd Infantry Regiment of Major General Lawrence
Starting point is 01:16:23 Dutch Kaiser's Second Division. On August 15th, 1950, American prisoners were captured. On the now infamous Hill 303, next to the Noctong River. 41 prisoners murdered by North Korean troops. The exact details of the massacre are unknown. What we do know is based on the accounts of four US soldiers who survived. What we know according to survivor accounts is that before dawn on August 15th, the age company mortar platoon became aware of enemy activity near Hill 303.
Starting point is 01:16:50 So many fucking hills. The Patoon leader telephone G company, fifth cavalry, which informed him a platoon of 60 ROK troops would come to reinforce the mortar platoon. Later in the morning, the platoon saw two KPA T34s, followed by 200 or more enemy soldiers on the road below. A little later, a group of Koreans appeared on the slope. A patrol going to meet the climbing Korean troops called out and received in reply,
Starting point is 01:17:13 a blasted gunfire from automatic weapons. The mortar platoon leader, Lieutenant Jack Hutzbeth, believe they were friendly. Some of the Americans realized that they'd been sent through for KPA and were going to fire upon them, according to survivors. Private's Fred Ryan and Roy Manring, who gave accounts when they revisited their old mortar position many years later in 1999.
Starting point is 01:17:32 Hutspith ordered them not to fire threaten them with a court marshal that they did. That's Kai unfortunately fucks up. Things that they're friendly, they're not friendly. The rest of the watching Americans not convinced that the new arrivals are enemy soldiers until the red stars become visible on their field caps. Damn it. By that time, they were very close to US positions. The KPA troops came right up to the foxholes without either side firing a shot.
Starting point is 01:17:54 Hotspith ordered his platoon to surrender without a fight. It was far outnumbered and now outgunned. They didn't have any superior position. The KPA quickly took the mortar man captive. KPA troops then marched their prisoners down the hill after taking weapons and valuables. And in nearby Orchard, they tie the prisoner's hands behind the backs, take some of their clothing, remove their shoes, tell them that they'll be sent to the prisoner war camp
Starting point is 01:18:14 and soul if they behave well. During their first night of captivity, the KPA gave the American prisoners water, a little bit of fruit, like one apple for every four guys, kind of shit, cigarettes. During the night, two of the Americans loosened their for every four guys kind of shit cigarettes. During the night, two of the Americans loosened their bindings, caused the brief commotion. KPA soldiers threatened to shoot the Americans, but according to one survivor's account, a KPA officer shot one of his own men for threatening that. So at this point, sound like they're arguing to take him to Seoul.
Starting point is 01:18:39 Things are going to change though. Two captured American officers, Lieutenant Hutsbeth, the platoon leader of the Morta Platoon, and Lieutenant Cecil Newman, who was a forward artillery observer were seen conferring with each other about an escape plan according to private Fred Ryan. And then both escaped during the night, but then were quickly captured and executed.
Starting point is 01:18:55 The KPA attempted to keep the Americans hidden during the day, moved them by night, but attacks by US forces made that difficult. Next day, August 16th, the prisoners were moved with their guards. Later that day, other US forces began to assault Hill 303 to retake the position. Be company in several US tanks, try to second time to retake the hill. Now estimated to contain a 700 man battalion. That night, G company succeeded in escaping from Hill 303. Guards took away five of the American prisoners. Others did not know what became of them. 2 p.m. on
Starting point is 01:19:24 August 17th, a UN Air strike takes place place attacking Hill with Napalm, bombs, rockets and machine guns. A KPA officer said the US soldiers were closing in on them and could not continue to hold the prisoners. Officer ordered the men to be executed. And now the KPA fired into the Americans in the gully, only forward survived by hiding under dead bodies. The Fitzcavory regiment quickly discovered the bodies of the prisoners with machine gun wounds, hand still bound behind their backs. First cavalry troops later named the area atrocity hill. And it is an atrocity that is fucked up.
Starting point is 01:19:54 But also, you know, this is war. If you were fighting and you knew that continuing to keep moving with POWs greatly increased the likelihood you would be killed, right? Hinder to your movement. Also knew if you released the men, they would 100% be given weapons again, jump right back into fighting and try and kill you. What would you do? Tough or call, I imagine then some make it out to be.
Starting point is 01:20:15 Meanwhile, more heavy fighting was taking place west of Tai Gu along a critical highway in a narrow valley that became known as the bowling alley. Over a six day period from August 15th to the 20th, the 27th Infantry Regiment Wolfhounds, fucking pretty cool name. Of the US 25th Infantry Division repelled a series of attacks that spelled out serious losses for the enemy, both in troops and equipment. Many regiments also got new manpower in the form of recruits known as KAT, USA's, Korean augmentations to the US Army who were paired up like field
Starting point is 01:20:47 trip buddies with American soldiers. Spine the language barrier, the experiment was successful. They shorted the perimeter while the North Korean army failed to press forward. New recruits also came in the form of homeless orphans, sadly separating from the stream of refugees to be quote unquote adopted by compassion Americans. Dressed and cut down GI uniforms, the youngsters became unofficial members of the American combat units. They followed man training centers and schools were set up to build new divisions. NCO ranks filled back up all the while the North Korean army continued to lose men to gunfire
Starting point is 01:21:18 and disease. By mid August 141,000 troops were inside the perimeter. While the North Koreans were down to about 70,000, for psychological and not necessarily realistic reasons, Kim Il-Sung ordered his commanders to take Busan on August 15th. The anniversary of Japanese surrender in World War II. That meant that the North Koreans ran themselves ragged trying to accomplish the goal, resulted in the second battle of Noctong Bolch. And it was all for nothing. North Koreans beaten back decisively. By mid-September the tide had turned, not only had the UN forces strengthened, but the
Starting point is 01:21:50 enemy had made serious mistakes. They dissipated their forces in a series of separate offensives. Each trying desperately to reach Pusan, none of them succeeding. The Pusan perimeter continued to hold. Also in mid-September the entire strategic balance of the war was shifted by the sudden appearance of the X-Core at Inchon. Who the hell are they? It went back to MacArthur's belief that he couldn't win the war without an amphibious landing deep behind enemy lines. It was his grand plan to isolate the battlefield by use of air power to seal off supply routes, then landing at Inchon and cutting off enemy forces to the south.
Starting point is 01:22:23 The 8th Army would then advance north and close the Pinchers. He had started to think about a landing as early as July, but somebody didn't have enough forces now that have changed. He made it in a passion plea to the joint chiefs of staff, arguing that the Soviet Union wouldn't pull punches, so neither should they. Half measures were not going to fucking cut it. Joint chiefs, not so sure, it was risky for one thing the title range, the difference between low and high tides, exceeded 30 feet, one of the
Starting point is 01:22:47 widest ranges in the world. Also numerous islands covered the seaward approaches. The largest of these, Wal-Mido, was fortified by North Korea. You know, excuse me, if the largest of these, Wal-Mido, were fortified by North Korea, which it was, they could easily blast the boats out of the water. And the proposed channel was narrow and treacherous, with a current of five to six knots. This was a no-go for the Navy.
Starting point is 01:23:13 One admiral said, we drew up a list of every natural and geographic handicap to a landing, and Inchon had all of them. Man, sorry, I can't stop fucking burping. Had some weird little protein drink, my bodies were jacking. Actually, I think I keep, I can't stop fucking burping. I had some weird little protein drink that my body's rejecting. Actually, I think I'd wait too much coffee. MacArthur heard all this and didn't give a gosh dang frickin' heck shoot. It wasn't there to listen.
Starting point is 01:23:33 It was there to kick some commy bandit rascal bottom. Somewhat reluctantly the joint chief of staffs approved MacArthur's plan. Douglas MacArthur, five star general nominated for the Medal of Honor three different times, received it for his service in the Philippines, campaign of World War II, son of another general and another Medal of Honor winner. It was 70 years old at this point. He he didn't have put in 52 years of military service and he had a 46 inch cock win win limp. And each of his balls weighed roughly a thousand tons of a fr but for real, he's a living legend at this point.
Starting point is 01:24:06 For the Corps of his landing force, he and the Joint Chiefs of Staff select the first Marine division and eighth Army's remaining infantry division the seventh. As the force developed, it also included South Korean Marine and infantry units and an assortment of US support troops. The entire force was designated X Corps and was commanded by Major General Edward M. Almond, MacArthur's chief staff. First Marines would bombard, uh, Wilmedo, destroying North Korea's outpost there. They scorched the island with Napalm, then the US cruisers to Lido and Rochester arrived, began blasting away with eight inch main batteries, um, with their eight inch main batteries.
Starting point is 01:24:40 Joining the bombardment were two Royal Navy cruisers, the Kenya and the Jamaica, followed by a six-ship destroyer squadron, and they all pounded the island mercilessly. MacArthur had scouted the island previously to gain necessary recon to carry out the attacks. He did it on a fucking jet ski, solo. There's only weapon, a steel fucking boomerang, fortified with razors. He had two inch thick calluses covering his manhands, allowing him to easily catch his razor boomerang When it returned to his hand after lopping off enemy heads
Starting point is 01:25:08 He took off somewhere between 500 and 1000 heads on the island to psychologically break him down before heavy or tax began or Or something or he did something that might or might not have involved boomerangs or Jetsky After bombarding the island the rest of the X-Core was in route The Marines were coming from Kobe and the Army from Yokohama, both in Japan. Conditions onboard the ships were crowded uncomfortable, but the true misery had not yet arrived. During the second day at sea, the convoy ran into Typhoon, Kazeah, a storm with 125 mile-proud winds, but they still made it. At 6.30 in the morning on September 15th, a lot of them got motion sickness, which is probably the least the problems. A doubt anybody was
Starting point is 01:25:48 really worried about that being, you know, something to be concerned about in light of everything else they have. 6.30 in the morning on September 15th, the third battalion of Colonel Ray Murray's fifth marine stormed ashore at Walmido. Within 45 minutes, the Marines had the island under their control. 11 hours later, the main assault force, heads for Inchan. Marie's other two battalions, followed by ROK Marines, went in on the left at Red Beach. Three battalions belonging to Colonel Lewis, Chasty, motherfucking Polars.
Starting point is 01:26:14 First Marine Regiment, right? I'd still love that old Chasty Polar suck. Aim for Blue Beach on the right. Chasty Polar, most decorated Marine in American history. Bojangles is saluting me right now, with a tear in his eye and rock hard boner which you know is making me really uncomfortable.
Starting point is 01:26:28 I hear him about Chessie polar fighting communist has him incredibly excited. As soon as the landing crafts hit the stone seawalls, ladders and graphing hooks were thrown out and Marines scrambled up and over. By midnight the mission was a definite success. 13,000 Marines were ashore and casualties have been light. MacArthur's gamble had paid off. 24 hours later, the high ground east of Inchon was secured. ROK Marines moved into mop up on the evening of September
Starting point is 01:26:53 16th. Marine Major General Oliver P. Smith established his command post east of Inchon. The Marines then pushed on in two columns that followed the line of the Inchon Seoul Highway. Enemy planes dropped 500 pound bombs and napalm destroying tanks scattering the infantry. On the left, Murray's fifth Marines headed for Kimpo airfield and the Han River just beyond on the right. Puller's first Marines headed towards Young Dung Po. Seoul's large, Seoul's large industrial suburb on the South Bank of the Han.
Starting point is 01:27:23 Enemy tanks approached backed up by about 250 North Korean infantrymen a fierce firefight commenced uh... Richard Kerry bonus dickbox check now took a squad around an enemy flank as he emerged from around the bend he came face-to-face with the North Korean commander instinctively uh... Kerry took out his pistol the commander raises hands by reflex carry-up and fire at first he thought he killed the commander But it turned out he had merely shot his belt off My god, the other guy was otherwise unharmed the commander stunned and maybe feeling probably some pipe and hot fresh pain up I bought a side not his leg Surrender to his entire balloon
Starting point is 01:27:59 What a moment that guy had Meanwhile all around the bullet sprayed out his both sides fought to control the crucial road. When all was said and done 200 North Korean troops lay dead, their tanks lay in smoldering ruins. The Marines shaking but victorious counted their dead, treated their wounded, and secured the airfield. By the afternoon of September 18th, Brigadier General Thomas Kushman's Marine Air Group 33 arrived safely. Now at Gimpo from Japan, other elements of Ned Almonds X-Core now coming ashore. They last the regiments, land on the 17th, 18th and 19th. Soon there were enough forces to take soil back to the north. The fifth Marines lined up along the rail lines west of the city, paralleling the Han River. Simultaneously, Marines battled North Korean troops along the Han River in a
Starting point is 01:28:42 young Dung Po. Both areas sustained heavy casualties, but they were still determined to take Seoul. With the airport in main highway now secure, the 32nd infantry crossed the Han River, September 25th in amphibious landing craft. South Korea's 17th regiment crossed behind them at the same time to 7th Marine Division crossed the river further west of the city and moved to shut off North Korean supply routes from the North. By late in the day, Seoul was surrounded. But North Korean soldiers and civilian sympathizers still controlled many urban blocks and were not about to give up the city without a fierce fight. UN troops went through the city block by block, building by building,
Starting point is 01:29:18 and engaged in bloody street fighting and hand-to-hand combat with their determined enemies. fighting and hand-to-hand combat with their determined enemies. Marines Felix Del Jidousi, Myron Jack, none of these guys can just have like an in-like fucking Smith. Myron Jack, Leslie, something Edward and Edward Hoth, thanks Ed. Remember fighting to those streets? Saying years later we took casualties and the North Koreans were pretty well entrenched. Soul was demolished. We were street fighting. it was pretty tough. We lost some people there, we divided down the main street. It was a fight.
Starting point is 01:29:50 29th Infantry Regiment soldier Charles Gebhardt, I recall the scene in Seoul saying the city was in rubble. To think this had been a big city, there wasn't much left. The only thing intact was the university. Otherwise, everything else was gone. Truthfully, I think I may have become a pacifist at that time, because I couldn't see people living under such conditions. On the 27th, the Marines captured the French Embassy and raised the American flag over it. Then they moved on to the Soviet Embassy. Took down the Soviet flag, replaced it with the
Starting point is 01:30:18 stars and stripes. Oh, fuck yeah, bro. Stalin, not happy. He was like, Yankee Scott fuck, you ruined war plan. For this I make Uncle Sam suck, Kami did cock penis winner. But Uncle Sam wouldn't do that you guys. Uncle Sam wouldn't suck, their Kami did cock penis winners. Korea's government headquarters was also secured with South Korea's national flag as fighting raised around it. American soldier Lutha, Lutha, Ligwiri, raised the stars and stripes over
Starting point is 01:30:46 Seoul's American consulate. Seoul finally under the command and control now of UN forces. This is huge. Three months after being invaded by the North, South Korea had its capital back. Three, 113 American troops killed along with 50 additional South Korean troops.
Starting point is 01:31:02 Thousands of North Korean groups died. The Americans had promised South Koreans that they would be there for them and they were. I imagine everyone present at the raising of the American flag at the American consulate singing together, hands joined in unison. I'll be there for you. These five words I swear to you when you breathe. I want to be the air for you these five words I swear to you when you breathe I want to be the air for you I hope be there for you I live and I die for you I still the sun from the sky for you words can't say what love can do I hope be there for you what if I just sing the whole fucking song
Starting point is 01:31:43 I will be there for you. What if I just sang the whole fucking song? They might have sung something like that. You weren't there. You probably weren't there. You might have been there. There's a chance that a few of you could have been there, but probably not. They probably didn't sing that
Starting point is 01:31:55 because Bon Jovi didn't release it until 1998. Yeah, I should admit, that one does kind of work. If you're some of you are pretty fucking sick as well, Bon Jovi gag. But think about this if you're a history lover. That one does kind of work. I'm sure some of you are pretty fucking sick as well about Joey Gagg. But think about this if you're a history lover. Now, possibly for the rest of your life, whenever you hear a Bond Jovey song, you'll also remember random facts about the Korean War.
Starting point is 01:32:15 Forgotten no more! You son of a bitch. Thanks to John Motherfucking Bond Jovey, new jerseys, favorite son. Don't tell Bruce Springsteen. Back to non-suckverse reality. Now general MacArthur and South Korea's president, Sigmund Rhee flew triumphantly into Kimpo, then traveled in the center of town
Starting point is 01:32:31 for a military ceremony at the National Assembly Hall. There, MacArthur invoked God to declare the city free, led the gathered crowd and recitation of the Lord's Prayer. Brushing back tears, re-think the American Marines who had fought so bravely to retake the city, then South Korean troops marched victoriously through the streets of their liberated capital. But some parts of the planet not gone as expected.
Starting point is 01:32:54 For example, the commanders assumed that the Incheon Landing would demoralize communist troops in the South, but it didn't because their communist officers never told them that that happened. As a 24th division and first cavalry moved north to Seoul, they passed burned out vehicles, countless hundreds of enemy bodies, banded equipment, entire NKPA units were surrendering,
Starting point is 01:33:15 but thousands of North Koreans would take to the hills. As the communists headed north, they took thousands of South Koreans with them as hostages and slave laborers and left additional thousands executed in their wake Most infamously at Taijon were some 5,000 civilians were masquerid man Back in July and Taijon, between 1800 and 7,000 suspected communist civilians had been masquerid by the South Koreans
Starting point is 01:33:37 Part of the 60,000 to 200,000 political prisoners Executed by the South Korean state during the war. So many atrocities committed by both sides. Around this time too, news came in from Washington that President Truman replaced Secretary of Defense, Louis Johnson. New Secretary was esteemed General George C. Marshall. Johnson not missed, not popular with the military. Shortly before the Korean war, he allegedly had said the Navy is on its way out.
Starting point is 01:34:04 There's no reason for having a Navy and a Marine Corps. General Bradley tells me amphibious operations are a thing of the past. We'll never have any more amphibious operations. That does the way with a Marine Corps. And the Air Force can do anything the Navy can do, so that does the way with the Navy. So I'm no military tactician, but that guy sounds pretty fucking stupid. Now that South Korea was almost entirely under you in control. Political and military leaders had to decide, you know, what the next step will be.
Starting point is 01:34:30 Should they declare victory and halt at the 38th parallel for ever giving up on the idea of a unified Korea or should they march north and keep fighting? Refelt strongly that all of Korea must be unified. American military leaders also recognize the importance of destroying North Korea's military capability So they couldn't just you know come down in a few months or years and fuck shit up again Also general MacArthur had a raging war boner and needed release Even before the in-chon landing MacArthur had thought ahead to a campaign into North Korea This dude loved to fucking battle though his plans never went beyond establishing a line across the so-called Waste of Korea.
Starting point is 01:35:07 Well, not at this point, you'll find out by the end of the episode yet some pretty outrageous plans. From Pyongyang in the West to Wansan in the East. September 27th, the onset of September 27th, the joint chiefs finally gave him, or gave him, excuse me, gave him final authority to conduct operations north of the thirty eighth parallel
Starting point is 01:35:25 and he came just a little bit not an ethical flaccid you still so excited i love i love my car through this guy is uh... skies uh... may be forty six years old i i feel like a silly little boy compared to uh... men like him however he was instructed to limit operations in the event of russian or chinese intervention for the united nations command in the hand, the war aim was now expanded. As announced by the UN General Assembly on October 7th, it was to include the occupation of all of North Korea, knock, knock, knock it on China and Russia's door, and the elimination of the North Korean army as a threat to the political reconstruction of Korea as a single
Starting point is 01:35:59 nation. Everyone expected the X-Core to lead it, but MacArthur pulled them out, already planning another amphibious assault at Wonson. Instead, South Korean units crossed the parallel on October 1st and US Army units crossed on October 7th. Our okay, one core marched rapidly up the East Coast Highway, winning the race for Wonson, but the first Marines would arrive soon after with the 7th division going by road and rail all the way back to Busan, boarding ships and traveling up the East Coast from there. Somewhat predictably China did exactly love this.
Starting point is 01:36:32 Premier, Joe and Lai told the Indian ambassador that after US and North Korea, China would be forced to intervene. The Indians passed this along to the British, who then related to Washington. Weird little telephone game here. I don't know why Premier Joe and I just couldn't talk to Washington directly. So that happens and MacArthur does not give a single fuck. Even when Joe said publicly that the Chinese people will not tolerate foreign aggression, nor will they supinely tolerate seeing their neighbors being savagely invaded by imperialists,
Starting point is 01:37:01 he didn't flinch. President Truman was nervous, though. And he called a meeting with MacArthur to figure out what to do. by imperialists, he didn't flinch. President Truman was nervous, though. And he called a meeting with MacArthur to figure out what to do. That meeting took place on Wake Island, October 15, 1950. During their discussion, Truman asked about the possibility of Chinese intervention, and MacArthur assured the president that since victory was won in Korea, there was little possibility of the Chinese coming in.
Starting point is 01:37:22 Even if they did, MacArthur said, he would defeat them with overwhelming airpower. He said, quote, we will take our fighter jets and we will fist fuck their asses with them. And then President Truman said, you got that right. We will. That's what I wanted to hear. That's exactly what I wanted to hear. We're going to fist fuck those bandits and their band of buttles with our fighter jets. Yes, sir. And then both guys, we've been thrown out and slapped them together in the show of both aggression and solidarity. Or maybe a much more subdued version of that happened. Or probably not even that since those guys hated each other.
Starting point is 01:37:52 The two men had no idea that Mao Zedong had already made the decision to intervene. As Truman headed back to Washington and MacArthur to Tokyo, elements of Lin Biao's fourth field army were already crossing the Yaloo River in North Korea. Within days, 4 field armies of 30,000 each had crossed the Yaloo, 120,000 trained soldiers. Uh-oh. Simultaneously, UN troops were racing for the North Korean capital of Pyongyang. The winners would be the ROK First Division and the US First Cavalry Division, who captured the city on October 19th. As they proceeded north, they'd see atrocities
Starting point is 01:38:26 beyond compare at one place near a railroad tunnel. American POWs had been taken from a train group supposedly to be fed. According to a survivor who'd escaped by pretending to be dead, the men had been systematically killed. Many with rice bowls still in their hands waiting to receive food. There are a lot of motivation by the time they reached the Capitol. And after capturing it, kept going, driving the Kim Il-Soon government back towards the mountains. What are how many times Kim Il-Soon had to teleport? Too many, he couldn't also shoot wizard fireballs. That would have really helped him out. Kim established a new capital at Shin-Wiju on the Yalu River opposite the Chinese city of Andung.
Starting point is 01:39:05 Two other divisions accompanied by Soviet advisors and air defense forces struggled northwest towards the Yalu River and the Chinese border. The UN forces assumed that the North Korean army had lost its will to fight, and reality was awaiting rescue from China, and China was backed by the Soviets. Stalin promised to extend China's air defenses,ned by the Soviets to a corridor above the Yalu thus protecting air bases in Manchuria and hydroelectric plants on the river also promised new Soviet weapons and arm armament oh my gosh armament armament factories. And now there were thousands of Chinese soldiers on the border ready to join up with North
Starting point is 01:39:40 Koreans. Maybe if I was talking that word in Bon Jovi's voice I would have nailed it. I feel like I've been pronouncing him pretty well. Chinese people's volunteer force, CPVW, was commanded by General Peng, then Huai, a veteran of 20 years of war against Chinese nationalists and Japanese. And there was also something else to worry about. MIG-15 jet fighters had appeared about North Korea, flown by Soviets, pilots, mass-grading the Chinese and Koreats. Within one week, they stopped most of the daytime raids in North Korea. US Air Force immediately dispatched now a crack wing of F-86 saber jet interceptors to Japan,
Starting point is 01:40:12 kicking off a two and a half year battle for air superiority, which the US would win over the course of the war. The war of the F-86 is succeeded in allowing the Far East Air Forces, FEAF, to conduct offensive air operations anywhere North Korea. Also protected the 8th Army from communist air attack. However, they were never able to provide perfect protection for B-29s flying daylight raids into MIG-ALE. A corridor in northwestern Korea where MIGs based near Andung, Manchuria, fiercely defended bridges and dams on the Yalu River.
Starting point is 01:40:45 The Fief also turned its fury on all standing structures that might shield the Chinese from the cold. Cities and towns all over North Korea went up in flames. And then soon a big battle would take place. October 25th, Chinese Communist forces launched their first phase offensive when North of Yunshan, the 6th ROK division was attacked by elements of the 50th field army. This attack was the first indication that China had entered the war.
Starting point is 01:41:10 But American intelligence officers who wanted nothing more than to believe that the war was almost over refused to see what was obvious. A few hours later, the 6th ROK division was nearly wiped out. Farther West, meanwhile, on November 1st, the 21st Infantry Gimlitz captured the village of Chong Gaudu, 18 miles from the Yalu River. That same day at Yunshan, South Koreans and Americans were being cut off and surrounded by units of the CPVF 39th Army. Before the fighting was over, the ROK 15th infantry regiment would be destroyed.
Starting point is 01:41:40 But then the Chinese forces disappeared into the hills. Were they really gone? No, they were not. Uh, November 23rd, Thanksgiving soldiers dined on roast turkey pumpkin pie and wonderful rumors. They believed that they would, you know, there'd be one more quick offensive to wrap up the war. And then everyone would soon be heading back to the stage, or Japan for victory parades.
Starting point is 01:41:58 Next day, the eighth army, though, kicked off its home, or excuse me, yeah, the next day, the eighth army kicked off its home by Christmas offensive. General Walker proceeded day the 8th Army kicked off its home by Chris Miss offensive. General Walker proceeded cautiously so as not to leave anyone isolated. The X Corps and the US 7th Division were already on the border. If all went to plan they could drive all the Chinese back cutting off anyone who struggled, but all did not go according to plan. On the evening of November 25th the Chinese 13th Army Group launched its second phase offensive,
Starting point is 01:42:25 they hit the weakest point, the 8th Division of Second Corps on the island flank, screaming and blowing vehicles, they shattered the 8th Division and sent it flying back into order. In this way, the ROK 7th and 6th Division is also broken and overpowered. US Second Infantry Division now found themselves with an open flank. In response, X-Core issued an amphibious and highly controversial attack order, one would seem to assume that the Chinese forces opposing X-Core were of little consequence. The Marines would concentrate west of the Chosen River, or Chosen Reservoir, and task force McLean from the 7th Division would go into position east of Chosen,
Starting point is 01:43:00 but forces would launch both forces would launch an attack on November 27th. But that offensive was a small part of the bigger picture that was looking worse and worse. And worse. Meanwhile, in the 8th Army sector, the Chinese defensive had already poured in, setting up roadblocks and seizing high ground. Walker had been forced to issue a general retreat. The 2nd Division acted as their rear guard, but a full Chinese division was waiting. The convoy was ambushed with 3, lost plus all the division vehicles. By December 58th, army had abandoned Pyongyang.
Starting point is 01:43:30 South of the capital, a new defensive line was set up. No one knew if it could hold. The Marines, meanwhile, were holding out the Chinese without offensive. They'd planned after dark on the night of November 28th, in sub-zero weather and amidst swirling snow, the Chinese launched heavy attacks from both the front and the flanks. One of the most brutal battles yet, the Americans virtually annihilated. Only 300 soldiers of 3200 lived. Man, damn it. The Battle of Chosen Reservoir was horrific.
Starting point is 01:43:56 Battle of Chosen Reservoir, regarded by some historians as the most brutal in modern warfare. By violence, casualty rate, weather conditions, and endurance. Over the course of 14 days, 17 medals of honor, 78 service cross medals were awarded by the US second most after World War II's Battle of the Bulge. A cold front sent temperatures down to 36 degrees Fahrenheit below zero. Yikes. By the end of the battle, more Chinese troops would die from the cold, with literally
Starting point is 01:44:24 free too death than die from combat and air raids. The Marines loaded their dead and wounded untrucks began a fighting retreat. By December 7th, they made it to KOTO-RI. By this time, all of X-Core was pulling back and preparing to cut its losses. Leave North Korea and admit defeat. The US Navy achieved a massive evacuation. They even managed to load 91,000 refugees nearly as many civilians as troops. By the years end, the remaining fighting new enforcers were digging in along the 38th parallel. Eighth Army also had a new commander. Walton Walker was killed instantly when his Jeep collided with an ROK truck on December 23rd, 1950. Man, his death was not at any hands. Dude was a fucking war hero in three wars.
Starting point is 01:45:07 And then died because a a bad truck driver Swirved out of their formation and ran into his truck His replacement was the famed World War II pair trooper and eventual presidential medal of freedom winner Lieutenant General Matthew B. Ridgeway What was everyone gonna do now? MacArthur wanted to keep forces north Korea even though they'd been ambushed badly Things look dubious. Meanwhile, you know, who was having a great time, Mao has had done heartened by the ease with which his forces had driven the UN forces out of North Korea. Mao has done expanded his war aims to
Starting point is 01:45:34 demand that the Chinese army unify all the Korea now, drive the Americans, you know, these fucking puppets off the peninsula. Now, UN enforces their wonder if they should have just maybe stopped in the 30th parallel. My car through though, still not worried, but many of those are miles. enthusiasm that increased when the Chinese third with the Chinese third offensive, beginning on December 31st, when it retook soul for North Korea. I want to shitty place to live during all this swinging back and forth between
Starting point is 01:46:01 contrasting ideologies, constantly being stuck in the middle of urban warfare. It was already in rubble in the previous battle. Now that's had another one. South Korean non-communist leaders right back to where they had been in June. Chinese attacks centered on South Korean divisions, which were showing signs of defeat and ineptness. Lieutenant General Ridgeway therefore had to rely in the short term upon his US divisions, many of which had now gained units from other UN participants. In addition to two British Commonwealth brigades, they were fresh units from Turkey, France, Belgium, the Netherlands, Greece, Colombia, Thailand, Ethiopia, and the Philippines.
Starting point is 01:46:37 Operation Thunderbolt, not Thunder Tuck, launched by nine core and first core on January 25, 1951. Now do push the Chinese back north of the Han River. And then a pleased Douglas MacArthur arrives on his fucking jetski. Obviously, on January 28th to visit the front to confer with Ridgeway. Chinese now reinforced by a reborn North Korean army launched their fourth offensive. February 11th, 1951. Again, the initial tax strike ill-prepared South Korean divisions. Again, the initial tax strike ill prepared South Korean divisions.
Starting point is 01:47:05 Again, the UN forces give ground. Again, the 8th Army fights back methodically crossing the 38th parallel after two months pushing the Chinese North Koreans back into North Korea, back and forth, back and forth, back and forth to go. February 21st, 1951, another 8th Army offensive operation killer is underway. In his memoirs, Ridgeway would later say that he chose that name to remind people the war was about killing. Maybe if they were reminded, he thought they would be more, uh, they would be more reluctant to get involved in one. Right? If the fucking enemy hears this is what's going on. Next on March 7th, the operation, Operation Ripper begins with an advance across the Han River by one in 10 core. Chinese casualties continue to mount.
Starting point is 01:47:45 Nevertheless, UN forces capture sold back from the enemy on March 14th. Another time. Fourth and final time, it would change hands. By the end of March, UN forces once more at the 38th parallel. April 3, 1951, Ridgeway Meets with MacArthur to explain his plan, which is to use air and artillery support to inflict maximum casualties on the enemy. Accordingly, he would advance to a series of phase lines named Kansas, Wyoming, and Utah. This would bring him to the incident to the incident. Oh my gosh. This would bring him to the vicinity. There we go of Pyongyang. But Ridgeway didn't know something. For months, President Truman had been growing increasingly annoyed with MacArthur, who didn't agree with Truman's idea of a limited war.
Starting point is 01:48:25 Yeah, they really didn't like each other. A little over a week earlier, on March increasingly annoyed with MacArthur, who didn't agree with Truman's idea of a limited war. Yeah, they really didn't like each other. A little over a week earlier on March 24th, MacArthur had issued a public statement taunting the Chinese offering to meet and negotiate, to meet and negotiate and end of the war, and saying as an implied threat that if the UN extended the war to the Chinese homeland, the Chinese government would certainly collapse. Truman didn't fucking care for that. Not nearly as into a war as MacArthur was. On April 11th, 1951, Truman having reached the opinion that MacArthur's independence
Starting point is 01:48:52 amounted to insubordination, relieved the general of all his commands, and recalled him to the United States. MacArthur pissed. He quickly wrote his jetski to the Panama Panama Canal up to these coasts. Never stopped to eat, sleep, drink water, shit or piss. Wrote his jet ski up onto a beach near Washington, D.C. sprinted towards the White House, hurtled the outer fence, kicked the door in, Jean-Claude Van Dam Truman out of the Oval Office window, dragged him to the nearest sidewalk after killing all the secret service agents by catching the bullets they shot at him and throwing them back at them then made a weeping begging
Starting point is 01:49:30 Truman kiss the curb shortly before stomping on his skull while also shooting him in the fucking chest then sprinting back to his jet ski returning to North Korea. John Bon Jovi later documented a lot of this in song writing shot to the heart in your two blame you give love a bad name. I paid my part and you pay your game you give love a bad name. I actually thought I was gonna stop after that first part and then decided to continue. Jovi has a lot of I know you know what time I go to karaoke, I think it's gonna be on Joby. I wish all of that would have happened, but of course it didn't. In reality, McCarthy was out.
Starting point is 01:50:14 He'd be welcomed as a hero stateside though, there'd be public outcry as well as to how and why he was fired. And more on McCarthy quite a bit later. He had some, he had some pretty crazy plans about what he wanted to do in North Korea that didn't come out until after the war. Ridgeway was elevated to full general and assumed command of all United Nations forces in Korea now. He brought in Lieutenant James, or Lieutenant General James A. Van Fleet to command the
Starting point is 01:50:41 8th Army. Like Ridgeway, Van Fleet had earned wide respect as a division and core commander against the Germans in 1944 and 1945. But before Van Fleet could reform the South Korean Army and redeploy his own divisions of Chinese struck April 22, some 250,000 men in 27 divisions hit the UN line along a 40 mile front north of Seoul. The battered ROK, uh, okay, uh, two core gave way. U.S. divisions peeled back to protect their flanks and rear until van fleek commit five more U.S. and Korean divisions and a British brigade to halt the Chinese armies on an April 28th. By that time, the Chinese army down 70,000 people and failed to capture
Starting point is 01:51:23 Seoul. Man, they took heavy losses. Mao refused to accept paying his report to the Chinese forces could no longer hold the initiative. And he ordered the second phase of the offensive, which began May 16th, lasted another bloody week. Once again, US and friends, air power and heavy artillery stiffened the resistance. Once again, the UN forces crossed the 38th parallel
Starting point is 01:51:41 in pursuit of a battered, but not quite beaten Chinese expeditionary force. The Air Force launched Operation Strangle. I think I got some great operation names of while the 8th Army offensive continued into June with the first and 9th Corps advancing towards line Wyoming. By June 1951, the Korean War had reached another critical point. Chinese North Korean armies, despite having suffered some half a million casualties since November, just since November, had still managed to grow to 1.2 million soldiers, like with Stalin, Mao Zedong, Kim Il Sung, they were just willing to throw, you know, a nearly endless amount of men at the enemy. They lost 10 times the men, as whoever they
Starting point is 01:52:21 were fighting, they didn't give a fuck, as long as they still won the war. A win was a win. A United Nations command had also taken its fair share of casualties more than a hundred thousand since the Chinese intervention at the end of 1950. By May of 1951, while US ground troops numbered 256,000 and the ROKA added another 500,000, other allied contingents only added an extra 28,000. Overall, a lot of troops, but over 400,000 less soldiers than the North. However, UN forces controlled the skies. Had hundreds and hundreds more planes of all kinds. UN command forces flew about 700,000 sorties during the war compared to the North flying about 90,000.
Starting point is 01:53:01 UN forces dropped 635,000 tons of bombs, including over 32,000 tons of napalm on Korea, mostly North Korea. By comparison, the U.S. dropped 500,000 tons on all of Asia during the entirety of World War II, including Japan. All of this meant that the leaders of both sides had to consider the fact that peace might not be attainable through military victory. Even the U.S. National Security Council adopted a new policy that committed the U.S. to support a unified democratic career, but not
Starting point is 01:53:30 necessarily one unified by military action and the overthrow of Kim Il-Soon. But unsurprisingly, the other side, not in total agreement, in Beijing, Mao had no desire to end the war. So he approved an approach suggested by paying in others. Hold the ground in Korea, conduct a campaign of attrition, attempt to win limited victories against small allied units through violent night attacks and infantry infiltration. The Koreans about whom this whole thing was started in the first place, interestingly, not a factor for either side. Truman in the UN who wanted the return of the status quo, were sympathetic to the idea
Starting point is 01:54:03 of a negotiated settlement now. But over the summer of 1951, both sides just couldn't reach an agreement that worked for everyone. So fighting continued. In August of 1951, some of the worst fighting of the war goes down in places like heartbreak,
Starting point is 01:54:15 ridge, old baldy, and bloody ridge. Fought between August 18th and September 5th, bloody ridge marked the start of a new phase of the Korean war. Behind with a great mobile campaign that took armies from one end of the peninsula to the other, now both armies entrenched themselves, fought fiercely over valuable features of terrain that overlooked enemy defenses and supply routes. Bloody Ridge consisted of just three hills, 983, 940, and 773, and the connecting ridges.
Starting point is 01:54:41 A maze of enemy trenches on the ridges made it appear to air observers that bloody ridge had been plowed. Inside the trenches connected many bunkers, which the enemy had built strong enough to withstand artillery fire and air strikes. The larger ones sheltered as many as 60 men each. Some protected small artillery pieces or mortars, detection of enemy positions from the ground was difficult
Starting point is 01:55:03 because the hills were partially wooded and enemy soldiers had been skillful with camouflage. Beginning on the foggy morning of August 17th, 1951, it's so crazy. R.K. troops launched their attack against this bloody ridges mountain that has been, you know, what is it, terra, terra formed into, you know, just this crazy military insulation. Finally, on September 3rd, even half with half of the company's decimated, even after receiving replacements, UN soldiers managed to take Bloody Ridge and hold it. They'd use fucking flame throwers and grenades, after all other supporting weapons had failed to
Starting point is 01:55:35 dislodge the enemy. 2700 UN in perhaps as many as 15,000 communists were casualties, almost all of them killed or wounded with few prisoners taken by either side. After you enforce it with drew from bloody ridge, the North Koreans set up new positions, just 1500 yards away on a 7 mile long series of hills that quickly earned the name heartbreak ridge. This would be the side of a month long battle. If anything, the communist defenses even more formidable here than on bloody ridge. Battles begun by a bomb bullet and shell and
Starting point is 01:56:05 inevitably finished by grenades, trench knives and fists as formal military engagements degenerated into desperate hand to hand brawl. The American and French forces fighting here suffered over 3,700 casualties while the North Korean and Chinese forces suffered an estimated 25,000 casualties. And a lot of that again, like by people being like fucking stabbed to death and stuff. You and a US command decided that battles like heartbreak ridge were not worth the high cost and blood for the relatively small amount of terrain captured. August 25th or excuse me, October 25th, 1951 peace talks resume with the location of them being moved to Pond Moon John. At this point, nobody foresaw that the war was still less than halfway over.
Starting point is 01:56:47 Men continued to fight and to die. Mobile Army surgical hospitals, units, mash continued to be busy. And yes, mash the TV show, they ran from 1972 to 1983, and the movie and the book it was based off of, were set, you know, was set in the Korean War. Did you know that the match remains the most popular TV show of all time in terms of
Starting point is 01:57:08 how many viewers watched episodes as they aired? The series finale drew 105.97 million viewers. Almost just under 106 million viewers back when only eighty three point three million homes had televisions more than sixty percent of america tuned into watch that episode but you know as it aired initially ironic for the forgotten war to spawn the most successful tv show of all time the main star of mash uh... playing captain benjamin hawk i appears alan alda
Starting point is 01:57:41 decades later in two thousand six alda would win an Emmy for playing Arnold Vinnic, a senior Republican senator from California and a presidential nominee in the TV show The West Wing. And can you guess who appeared with Alda in the 2006 West Wing episode season 17, so 15, welcome to wherever you are. John Bond fucking Jovi, playing himself. It's like all John Bovy John Pajelvi cares about is the Korean war Lay your hands on me. Lay your hands on me. Lay your hands on me Okay Reconnection to the real war now so many of you are gonna have fucking John my jov in your head for days if not weeks Unlike the happy go lucky people of the popular TV series, the real life nurses and doctors
Starting point is 01:58:26 of the Korean War faced life and death situations on a daily basis. Attacks were now mostly against limited objectives and each gain, even for a small piece of ground, came with a terrible price tag. Even when things read a little, the enemy was often nearby, directly observing, meaning you had to walk wearily, often crouching.
Starting point is 01:58:43 By this time, a rotation system had been established for both units and individuals, the first cavalry division back in Japan, along with the 24th Infantry Regiment. Men were now constantly calculating their points towards rotation to get the fuck out of there. You know, morale getting pretty low. The soldier would earn four points for every month he would serve in close combat, rack up 36 points for a soldier or 37 for an officer, and you were eligible to go home. USO shows were now providing more and more welcome breaks as did the service clubs to begin to spring up in some of the rest of the rear areas. Even better with a five day R&R trip to Japan. Few soldiers now thought about winning the war.
Starting point is 01:59:17 Their aim was, you know, just to get home safely. The talk set upon monjoon were dragging along. The communists who were using the talks for propaganda purposes were in no hurry, but the side that placed little value on the worth of individual had built at a built in advantage. They could keep throwing soldiers at the Americans and South Koreans, you know, virtually endlessly. To keep the pressure on the communists and deter them from overtaking South Korea, Ridgeway and Van Fleet decided that fighting should continue. Though this would perhaps militarily the right decision,
Starting point is 01:59:44 it seemed to the majority of the American public wrong to take casualties when there was no plan for an all out victory. Politically the Korean War getting less and less popular in America. Meanwhile negotiations still going on. After prisoner lists works changed, the UN proposed a voluntary exchange of POWs. But many enemy prisoners perhaps fearing retribution for what would have been seen as their weakness in battle, refused to go back to their side. Then the Chinese North Koreans insisted that all POWs be exchanged and refused to change their position, which led to another stalemate.
Starting point is 02:00:16 As the fighting went on, more and more men were lost, both in the battlefield and to North Korean POW camps. That was almost the worst fate. One of them would be Eugene Inman. After an overwhelming Chinese attack, Eugene's second infantry division quickly retreated south. There was no time to ensure that all men were accounted for. Tragically, Eugene and many of his regimen became stranded, just 50 miles south of North Korea's border with China. Then they were captured. Shortly after capture, communist troops gathered up the new prisoners, heard them into animal pens. The pen provided no shelter from 30 degree below zero temperatures.
Starting point is 02:00:50 So fucking cold. Never really realized how cold Korea could get until this episode. I know I really talked up wanting to go to Korea earlier and I do want to get that chance, but it's going to be in the summer. Everyone would later remember that Chinese troops forced him to remove his outer clothing, leaving him with only his thin field jackets, a scarf and a small cap. The captors led their prisoners on horrific death marches. Every evening, throughout the night, they would walk excruciatingly long distances with very little food and water.
Starting point is 02:01:17 civilians would throw stones at them from the side of the road. If a prisoner would collapse and not be able to continue, they would be shot, clubbed, or bayoneteted to death. Men would die of starvation, exhaustion, and dehydration each and every day. These death marches continue for roughly seven months until the Chinese built more permanent camps to house prisoners along the Yalu River. At the camps, the Chinese divided the officers and commanders from the rest of the POWs. They knew there would be less chance of a POW revolt that the commanders could no longer talk to those they commanded. Then they attempted to brainwash their captors
Starting point is 02:01:48 into thinking that communism was better than capitalism. Every day the communist station radio Beijing would crackle over loudspeakers in English, the nouns in the US and the UN and other aggressors for starting the war and creating such misery. Journalists who sympathize with the communist such as Alan, Alan Winnington, the daily worker, and Wilfred Birchett of Seychwa, routinely visited the camps to speak to prisoners in their own language, is about how communism was the key to a brighter
Starting point is 02:02:15 and more equal future for all. Capitalism on their hand made life miserable for everyday workers and soldiers like themselves. Each day, prisoners spent most of their waking hours in class learning about how the United States was not a democracy but rather a hostile and periodist and periodist nation. Chinese and North Korean captors removed prisoners who they thought were resisting those messages and who seemed like they might revolt. Those men would endure horrific beatings, would be placed in solitary confinement, denied food and water,
Starting point is 02:02:42 and you know, often would die. Salvatore Conte was one of them. His captors placed him in a three and a half foot high, two foot wide, two foot wide, and five foot long wooden sweat box, where he would stay roughly 22 hours a day for eight fucking months straight. Later, he said, the only way he endured this for so long was to constantly think that while he was laying in pain his wife back home Was laying in a nice warm bed a bed, you know that he was able to provide with the money he made from fighting for freedom
Starting point is 02:03:12 Sleeping in a land where her freedom was assured His thoughts would later be immortalized and a song about the war that became very popular I won't to lay you down in a bed of roses For tonight I'll sleep on a bed of nails Oh, I want to be just as close as the holy ghost is And lay you down on the bed roses. That of course is from John Mudge, OV's 1992 double platinum hit record, Keep the Faith.
Starting point is 02:03:51 Come on. It's kind of fun, right? This guy's story is, of course, a super set. It's just now that I've trained my mind to look for Bon Jovi associations, I could know myself. I knew the second I came across, anyone having to lay down in some uncomfortable way, I was gonna try and sing that song.
Starting point is 02:04:05 It is pretty crazy that one band, you know, one man was able to write so many hits about the Korean War. Back to some non-suck first reality. Despite enduring unimaginable psychological and physical torture, Salvador Conte would survive. He would stay alive by, as he would say, teleporting himself somewhere else, not like Kim Jong soon, like Kim Il-soom. He, like, uh, or Kim Il Sung. He just like, is a, you know, symbolic teleportation.
Starting point is 02:04:28 He said at night, he and his friends would dream of home. They would keep each other alive by sharing dreams and very infrequently writing letters, even if the letters were never sent, they at least wrote them. When Salvatore was, uh, finally released, he sought out daily worker reporter Winston Berchette, whose pro-communist articles He had been forced to read in the camps. When that's why he wanted to talk to the man, Salvador replied, I want to slap him in the face. Yeah, I bet.
Starting point is 02:04:51 Salvador and Eugene were two of the lucky ones, both men with the long lives and talk about their experiences decades later. And astonishing 38% of you as prisoners not so lucky and would die in captivity. May of 1952, Lieutenant General Mark W. Clark. Oh, Mark Clark, how unfortunate. Replace Ridgeway as Commander in Chief of the United Nations Command. Ridgeway moved on to US Chief Staff of the Army. The 56 year old Clark had been the youngest four star general in the US Army during World War II.
Starting point is 02:05:20 He inherited a frustrating mission, waging a war of limited, limited objectives with no clear end in sight. A major ground defensive was not an option according to higher ups. So that left an air campaign, which quickly became even more intense than it was, the Navy and the Air Force flying from South Korean airfields or off carriers continued to inflict heavy damage as they attacked key targets like hydroelectric plants. They would help the UN forces maintain air superiority right throughout the conflict, but ground conflict and continue with heavy losses at isolated battlefields across the country, places with names like pork chop, Jane Russell, White
Starting point is 02:05:53 Horse, and Pike's Peak. Meanwhile, the true stocks still drag on at Pond Moon John. August 1952, the US Marines capture Hill 122 east of Pondond, Mujon. Give it the memorable nickname of bunker hill. Wasn't easy, that's some of the Marines with patrol each night, setting out from the center of the company, being sneaky was a paramount importance. But to really hold the Jamestown line, what they needed was bunkers,
Starting point is 02:06:16 places they could stay for future fighting. So Marine engineers and truck drivers, and some 500 members of the Korean Service Corps, cut trees, shape timbers, and hauled rough, unbeams, some 50 miles to the sector Service Corps cut trees, shaped timbers, and hauled rough hune beams, some 50 miles to the sector held by the first marine division. The marine set up each standard bunker and a whole 12 feet square, 7 foot deep, excavated using shovels with no aid from Earth moving machinery, doing the ship by hand.
Starting point is 02:06:39 Once the timbers were in place, some of them shaped from tree trunks, 8 inches in diameter, and the basic structure finished, the Marines would cover the roof, some four feet of timbers, with another three or four feet of earth, rock, and sandbags. If carefully built, the structure could withstand a direct hit from a 105 millimeter shell. Besides the forwarding protection against shrapnel, from time-fused shells that would explode overhead. Just a night, all of this is such a nightmare. A living bunker provided sleeping quarters, and a fighting bunker would feature ports
Starting point is 02:07:07 for machine guns and rifles. Bunker construction would fail, however, to keep pace with plans or achieve the desired degree of protection. Fatigue contributed to shortcomings since the infantrymen, who by day would dig the holes and manhandle timber into place, had to also guard against attack at night. In the end, the marine bunkers, as well as those manned by American soldiers, did not measure up to the standards of the Chinese who provided as much as 35 feet of overhead cover for frontline positions. Very good to diggy, which usually were linked by tunnels rather than trenches. Meanwhile, more fighting went up on other hills like Siberia, aka Hill 58A. The first Marines called for airstrikes, not to the refire on Chinese forces.
Starting point is 02:07:46 Four Grunman F-9 F-Jets, or Grunman F-9 F-Jets from the first Marine aircraft wing, dropped in a palm and 500 pound bombs. Air Force F-80 jets dropped 1,000 pounders. And a platoon from Company A first battalion, the regimental reserve of the first Marines immediately stormed the hill with the support of a platoon
Starting point is 02:08:03 from the second battalions company. The Chinese again cut loose with mortars, not to worry, an estimated 5,000 rounds, but cannot stop the assault. While UNC 90 millimeter weapons hammered Hill 110 flame throwing tanks, climbed Siberia, using bursts of flame to light their way, while also demoralizing the defenders and sometimes burning them alive and they gained the crest before doubling back toward marine lines And a tank with the flame tour psychologically that has to be so terrifying Control the hill would just go back and forth kind of like things would fight back and forth along the 38th for about two months
Starting point is 02:08:36 Many marine soldiers would lose their lives One of them was hospital corpsman john e Kilmer A native of highland park Illinois 22 year old Kilmer enlisted in the Navy from Texas 1947. He was assigned to duty with third battalion, seventh Marines in Korea and was killed on August 13th 1952. His Medal of Honor citation reads in part, with his company engaged in defending a vitally important hill position, well forward of the main line of resistance, during an assault by larger concentrations of hostile troops.
Starting point is 02:09:06 H.C. Kilmer repeatedly braved intense enemy mortar artillery and sniper fire to move from one position to another, administering aid to the wounded and expediting their evacuation. Painfully wounded himself when struck by mortar fragments while moving to the aid of a casualty, he persisted in his efforts and inched his way to the side of the stricken marine through a hail of enemy shells falling around him. Undaunted by the devastating hostile fire, he skillfully administered first aid to his comrade,
Starting point is 02:09:34 and as another mounting barrage of enemy fire shattered the immediate area, unhesitatingly shielded the wounded man with his body. That's a fucking unbelievable act of valor, incredible sacrifice. Private first class, Robert A. Seminick, who would also be awarded the Medal of Honor would survive this battle and his Medal of Honor citation reads in part. While accompanying a patrol in route to occupy a combat outpost, forward or friendly lines, private class Seminick exhibited a high degree of courage and resolute spirit of self-sacrifice and protecting the lives of his fellow Marines.
Starting point is 02:10:09 With his unit ambushed by an intense concentration of enemy mortar and small arms fire and suffering heavy through himself on the deadly missile absorbing the shattering violence of the exploding charge in his own body and shielding his fellow Marines from serious injury or death He miraculously survived the explosion was retired in disability 1953 and then would go on to live to the age of 93 You know work full-time for decades will be called to speak numerous times about his role in the war and his daughter would later say after his death that he didn't like public speaking and That he felt he acted instinctively from his training and wasn't brave Well, he was None of the less even in the face of heavy casualties bunker Hill was captured Meanwhile talks and pond moon john still drag on
Starting point is 02:11:03 The communist demand for forcible repatriation of prisoners was still an issue. They didn't want any of their POWs to be given the option to choose to stay in South Korea rather than have to return to North Korea, which says so much about the country. Communism was so fucking great. Why insist that you captured soldiers have to come home, even if they don't want to. If it was great, they would just want to. In October, the UN negotiators, after making significant concessions issued what was called
Starting point is 02:11:29 their final package of proposals for prisoner exchange and ending the war. But once again, the communists will like go fuck yourselves. At this point, General Harrison and the other UN delegates walked out of the meeting, they declared a recess until the communists were willing to not be fucking motherfuckers. Or willing to accept one or more of the UN plans or submit and write any construction plan of their own. December of 1952, new president elect Dwight D. Eisenhower now visits Korea. If I fill in a campaign promise, the five star general and former Supreme Allied
Starting point is 02:11:59 Commander in Europe, yet another living legend, American War hero, told the American people that he would go to Korea, see for himself what was going on Clear indication that the confusion about the war's aims had reached people back home And even Eisenhower one of America's greatest 20th century military minds had no fucking idea what to do Eisenhower by the way never got credit in his day for how good of a president he was In a 2017 survey presidential historians ranked Eisenhower fifth on the list of the greatest presidents behind Lincoln, Washington, FDR, and Teddy Roosevelt. Should suck him someday.
Starting point is 02:12:32 I've always liked what I've saw about, you know, read about Eisenhower. After taking office in February of 1953, Eisenhower named Lieutenant General Maxwell Detailer to replace Fan Fleet as eighth Army commander. Soon after Taylor's arrival to Chinese launch massive attacks in the area of Old Baldi, T-bone and Pork Chop. Get a wide range of names, he's placed. Still defying Rage's on and still accomplishes virtually nothing, neither side has made any real progress in a long time.
Starting point is 02:12:59 General Taylor gave up Old Baldi and Pork Chop, rather than ordering an encounter attack. At this point, it made no sense to incur heavy casualties for pieces of obscure real estate. Truth talks resume in March of 1953. Following month, sick and wounded prisoners are exchanged now in Operation Little Switch. Operation Little Switch marked the first successful effort toward ending hostilities in Korea and ultimately setting in motion the Korean War Armistice. Nine days earlier at Pond Woon-jong, talks between Commander-in-Chief General Mark Clark, his name still cracks me up. Premier Kim Il Sung and Chinese General Peng, oh my gosh, De Hu Yei,
Starting point is 02:13:39 had led to an agreement on the commencement of troop exchanges. The switch of sick and wounded prisoners of war from both sides of the conflict began April 20th and continue for 13 days. The 800 and first military air evacuation squadron assigned to Tachi, Tachi Kawa, air base, sorry, I couldn't, kind of guess it, couldn't find any pronunciation guide there. In Japan, support of the return of American
Starting point is 02:14:00 and allied prisoners of war. These were people who had been to hell and back. By necessity, many American prisoners in Chinese run camps had collaborated with their captors. Some estimates suggest a third did so. But there was also a complete breakdown of order and discipline and soldiers would turn on one another with a strong print on the weak and sick and there were countless instances of assault and even murder. Man, let's just focus in on some Air Force POWs to examine this.
Starting point is 02:14:24 The majority of the 235 airmen captured in the Korean War were held in solitary confinement Man, let's just focus in on some Air Force POWs to examine this. Majority of the 235 airmen captured in the Korean War were held in solitary confinement for a large part of their captivity. Prisoner suffered from bitter cold that I've described, inadequate food, clothing, medical care, and beatings. Years later, it was revealed that some American military personnel subjected to medical experimentation as well, sent to the Soviet Union to be used as human lab rats Airmen especially pilots considered potential sources of intelligence and were subject to frequent psychological and physical torture
Starting point is 02:14:52 For one example Eugene Evers was a reconnaissance camera repairman station in Japan to check out a camera that had been malfunction in flight He went on a mission with an RB 29 flight crew of the 91st strategic reconnaissance squadron in July of 1952. The plane was shot down northwest of Pyongyang, North Korea and Evers was taken prisoner. His captors did not believe that Evers and extra man in the crew of 12 was a repairman and they beat him severely. And then he was kept in solitary confinement in a fucking hole outside of some house, just put in a hole. Eventually taken into China for interrogation and tried as a war criminal. It wouldn't be released until September of 1953. But for those who were released in April, they arrived in airfields or in conditions ranging from malnourished to beaten to close to death.
Starting point is 02:15:34 They needed close attention and expert care. On board a C-124 flight to Tachikawa, Japan, Captain Lillian, King Kellekil, a flight nurse, accompanied some of the American prisoners of war from North Korea to Japan. Keel was one of the most decorate women in American military history. Log 175 air evacuation missions in Korea in over 425 combat missions. According to Keel, every patient was unique and memorable. She said, I had to make each patient feel as though he was the only one on the plane I was carrying for. This made them feel very important and they love that. I fucking love her. Raised in a convent after her
Starting point is 02:16:13 father abandoned her mom and their three small children watching those nuns tend to the sick is what drew her into nursing. She would marry Walter Kiel former Navy intelligence officer during World War II, and they would raise two daughters, and she would live until the age of 88. During the course of the Operation North Korea repatriated over 684 United Nations troops from Australia, Britain, Canada, Colombia, Greece, Germany, the Philippines, South Africa, South Korea, Turkey and the United States. The UN returned 1,030 prisoners from China and 5,194 from North Korea. Starting on August 5th and continuing over the course of five months, both sides released their remaining POWs. And June, perhaps trying to improve its geographic position, the Chinese forces launched massive attacks. Yes, still not done fighting with around 100,000 troops
Starting point is 02:17:00 directed against South Korean divisions. it gained several thousand yards, and then was stopped by immense artillery barrages. So pointless, more pointless attacks. July 10th, Trues talks for Zoom again. July 27th, 1953, excuse me, a ceasefire finally signed. General NAMM Il signed for the North Koreans and General Harrison for the UN. The armistice was thought to be a military measure, not a political one.
Starting point is 02:17:26 Something to stop the fighting while both sides figured out how to politically rule all of Korea, and then that would never happen. The two countries still technically at war today. August 5th, 1953, Operation Big Switch begins. Over 75,000 communist prisoners return to North Korea in China, which handed over 12,700 prisoners from the United Nations Command. 22,000 communist soldiers decided to seek asylum rather than return to their home countries and 88 would defect to India.
Starting point is 02:17:54 Of course he did. Communist and fuck sucks. But also, a handful of Americans refused to be repatriated. They were part of a much larger group of prisoners whom the Chinese addued progressives, soldiers who signed petitions, wrote letters, and made speeches to announcing American involvement in the war. Some went further, informing on fellow detainees participating in propaganda films and donning enemy uniforms. But I mean, there's immense pressure for them to do this. All those these, although these were acts are the, oh my god, although these were acts that more than met the legal
Starting point is 02:18:24 definition of treason and offense punishable by death, most of the prisoners chose to return home and face whatever charges away to them. For reasons that have never become clear, some of them in a group who would become known as the turncotes decided instead to try and make new lives themselves in the people's Republic of China and it didn't work out well. Over the years, most would slip back home, one by one or in small groups. Two, literally just two, would settle permanently in China. One of them would go missing for many years, John Dunn. Dunn was held at camp number three, a camp for reactionaries,
Starting point is 02:18:56 run by the Chinese on the banks of the Yalu River, where the death rate was high. He was known for his efforts to take care of other sick prisoners. One marine private, McNight, said after the war that he owed his life to done for sharing food with him, giving him his blanket, taking care of him when he was sick. But something caused done to become a last minute recruit to the ranks of those who refused to return home. Under the complicated rules of the armistice agreement, the prisoners who did not wish to be repatriated
Starting point is 02:19:20 were moved into camps inside the neutral zone at the border, where they would remain for four months, a waiting period in which those who changed their minds would be allowed to return home. Well, he didn't cheat in change his mind. What ensued in the fall of 1953 became a kind of one camera media circus. Even though more than 20,000 Chinese North Korean prisoners wished to remain in the West, China focused the eyes of the world on a few Americans. Dressed in bulky padded Chinese military jackets and caps,
Starting point is 02:19:45 there was 23 of them at this point. They stood before the Chinese newsreel crews, giving speeches about the ill treatment. They were sure to face back home after taking a stand for peace and against racism, capitalism and carthism. When someone shouted to them, do any of you want to go home, they all replied in eerie unison,
Starting point is 02:20:02 almost like they'd been brainwashed through torture. No! Didn't matter that the Americans were parody lines. They had been fed. They all replied in eerie unison almost like they'd been brainwashed through torture. No Didn't matter that the Americans were parody lines. They had been fed including the incessant invocation of Joseph McCarthy Who was a long ways for me to household name but most of them had left for Korea three years earlier One of these men John Dunne would spend six years in Beijing studying Chinese at university while in Beijing it appears that he met married a woman, believed to have been a checklist of Akin diplomat when she returned home in 1959, he went with her and was never heard from again. Assumed he went to Prague, but with his large community of American expats, someone should have seen him or heard of him. Finally, late last year, researchers spotted
Starting point is 02:20:40 Dunes' name in a massive database kept by communist secret police Which a check political group had put online it listed his full name year place of birth and revealed he ended up in Slovakia All is revealed that the woman he married wasn't a diplomat But was a student named Amelia porcelina porcolva Came from a family with strong standing amongst the communist party elite in Slovakia Which is presumably why she was sent to Beijing Coming back home with an American husband, though, put an end to her communist ambitions. As a result, the only way she could find was a menial teaching position, because Dunn
Starting point is 02:21:13 could not speak Slovak. He couldn't land any job. They were unable to find housing even after having four kids and lived in a single dormitory room. 1964, Dunn was finally given a job working in a brick factory. He had no friends, and was under constant secret police surveillance. So what a fucking bleak existence ended up having. Wonder how many times he thought to himself, probably should have went home. Probably
Starting point is 02:21:34 should have went home. They were eventually recruited to help with the mission spying on the Chinese embassy, given slightly better jobs, assigned a slightly less shitty flat, and then Dunn would die in poverty January 1st, 1996 and his wife would die in 2000. I would be so much softer on communism if I could find more good stories. And I look, but bleak shit like that is what I find over and over. Speaking of bleak, a lot of South Koreans never returned after the war. About 80,000 South Koreans were in North Korea when a ceasefire ended the war. Because they were not officially POWs
Starting point is 02:22:06 They weren't you know eligible for the exchange Many of them thought to have been forced to work as laborers reeducated and integrated into North Korean society Some managed to escape but not many only about 80 escaped over the last several decades Many escapees say that after the war they were initially hopeful that South Korea would secure their return. That hope withered in 1956 when the North assembled the prisoners, told them about Cadnet Order 143, which now turned them into North Korean citizens of the lowest rank. Escape from North Korea, not easy.
Starting point is 02:22:37 Someone have to travel for days to the North, dart across a river, forming a border with China. Brokers would help guide them but also charge them more than the going rate for defectors, knowing that the escapees would receive large payments after settling in the South. And once back in the South, they encountered a landscape they did not understand. Many left families in the North only to find alienation in the South. The POWs like others in the North were told for decades that the South was impoverished and decrepit.
Starting point is 02:23:02 And their arrival in the South revealed the extent of that deception while also dropping them into incomprehensible prosperity. I thought South Korea had lots of beggars under the bridge and everybody lived in Shaq's, said Lee, Ju-il, 80 years old who did not escape until 2008, right? Over 50 years later. These days, formerly detained people like Lee gathered for annual dinners in the South
Starting point is 02:23:24 and some would meet for regular card games They've been given over to metals over to apologies They've testified about the POWs. They know who are still in the North, you know most of them by this time of course have died in one soldier Lee Juwan's case it was liver cancer July 1953 Lee, Juwan then 21 wrote a letter to his mom He was somewhere in the middle of Peninsula. He wrote that bullets were coming down like raindrops, say he was scared.
Starting point is 02:23:50 Next letter to arrive came days later from the South Korean military, described a fire fight in Pajju near the modern day border with the North and South, said he had been killed there in battle, but he not recovered. But he wasn't dead. Rather he was captured by Chinese communists, handed to the North Koreans, who detained him as a lifetime prisoner, part of a secretive program that continues today, if anyone is still alive, almost 70 years after the end of the Korean War, according to South Korean officials, and the most recent escapees from the North. Tens of thousands of South Korean POWs held captive in the North under the program, penned in remote areas, and kept in Commitocado.
Starting point is 02:24:23 After being captured by the Chinese, handed the North, Lee went on to work for four decades in some shitty mind at the northernmost point of the peninsula near the Russian border, or as fucking cold as shit. He married a fellow member of the so-called Hostile Class, one of the three political casts in North Korea, the lowest. The Hostile Class includes people who are considered politically unreliable, and includes descendants of people who collaborate with Japan or opposed Kim Il-Sung the state founder People whose families have escaped to South Korea former businessmen former religious figures former landlords and North Koreans who had a high status under Japanese rule including landowners intellectuals religious leaders and aristocrats Also includes people who won't shut the fuck off about John Bon Jovi randomly Japanese rule, including landowners, intellectuals, religious leaders, and aristocrats, also includes
Starting point is 02:25:05 people who won't shut the fuck off about John Bon Jovi randomly. No, the hostile class estimated to include about 72% of the population are more than 60 million people, and they don't get to live in Pyongyang. They are denied a variety of privileges. North Korea, truly, is such a dog shit disaster of a country. Lean as hostile class wife had four kids, all of whom were ridiculed by teachers and classmate, ridiculed by the teachers
Starting point is 02:25:29 for their family status. Only as Lee's health deteriorated in his final months that he tell his children for the first time, the details of his earlier life. He gave one son, Lee Joon, the names of family members in the South as well as an address, the home in which he was raised. Lee, Joon, the senior died in 1994 when he was 63.
Starting point is 02:25:50 Let's assume that the mission though, one he would complete, even though it would take him another 15 years to defect. Two days after Lee, Juwan was given his South Korean citizenship. He traveled to his family's hometown of Bowen, relative still only original property, though the home had been demolished and rebuilt. During the visit, Lee learned that his family had celebrated his father's birthday every year and always set aside a rice ball for him at the New Year's feast. Decades doing that.
Starting point is 02:26:13 Also discovered his father's letter from Padju, written weeks before the armistice, which a relative had saved. You fucking imagine. Lee learned that his dad before the war was rebellious and talkative characteristics he stifled the north, though passed them on to his son. Lee said, it turns out my dad was a lot like me, though he didn't show it. He was admired in North Korea because he worked hard
Starting point is 02:26:33 and didn't do anything wrong, but he lived a false life. He knew one slip of the tongue could harm our whole family. So he never talked about South Korea. How would a fun place live? Others may still be alive. The South Korean government estimated in 2013 that about 500 were still living. Man, what a fucking atrocity.
Starting point is 02:26:52 Now let's head back to the end of the war. What were we left with? As of 2021 counts, 1,789,000 Americans served in the war. As of 2022, according to the list of wall of remembrance in the Korean War veterans memorial, killed soldiers numbered 36,634. As of 2014, the total number of POWs and MIAs was listed at 8,176, total captured, 7,245, killed in POW camps, 2806, returned 4,418, defectors 21 on accounted 931. South Korean casualties some 1.3 million, about a million of those being civilians. And the North suffered heavy losses. A North
Starting point is 02:27:36 Korean census report found in Russian archives reveals that North Korea lost 20% of its population during the Korean War. Just a couple years, 20 percent of the population. According to 1953 figures of the Central Statistics Administration of the DPRK, obtained by the Center's Cold War International History Project, the country's population declined from 9.3 million over 9.3 million in 1948 to about 7.4 million in 1953. The report cites a total of 1.2 million civilian casualties for North Korea, including 282,000 killed in bombing rates, and almost 800,000 that fled to the south were missing. Casually figures remain disputed, but Western estimates commonly cited a figure of 400,000 Chinese deaths while Chinese sources give a death toll of about 180,000 from the conflict known in China as the war to resist US aggression and aid Korea.
Starting point is 02:28:28 Okay. And though the Korean war has been over for nearly 70 years, actually 70 years this summer, that doesn't mean of course it's really over. Officially, never technically ended. A failed 1954 peace conference in Geneva, Switzerland yielded no peace treaty. Since the armistice is a military agreement and not a treaty between nations, the war technically continues. Korea remains divided. US forces, UN representatives, are still in South Korea with the goal of preventing another war. Man, let's hope that happens. You made it back. Barely.
Starting point is 02:29:12 Man, the Korean War, like the famous Korean War historian, Chambon Jovi once said, When you brought into this world, they say you're boning sin, Well at least they gave me something I didn't have to steal to have to win Well, tell me that I wanted yeah, I'm a walted man I'm a cold in your stable on cane. What's the able Mr. Catch me if you can I'll go in down In a blaze of glory take me now
Starting point is 02:29:41 But know the truth I'm going down in the blaze of glory. Lord, I never drew first, but I drew first blood I'm no one's son. Call me young gun. Probably should have went an octave down for that one to start. Got a little tight up in the higher notes there, but seriously the Korean War should have never been forgotten What an intense war it was and it was a war POWs being regularly tortured executed men freezing to death being burned alive on frozen hills with fucking flame thrors coming off of tanks So many bombs so much napalm so much death Maybe one huge dicked old war hero on a jet ski maybe not I wonder what the world would look like if the US had won the Korean War
Starting point is 02:30:24 What if the Kims had the Korean War, what if the Kims had been deposed, would nobody be suffering under its authoritarian regime, or is that a fantasy? Would China and the Soviet Union have turned a conflict on the Korean peninsula into World War III, just to make sure the capitalist, right, we're going to be, you know, too close to them, knocked on their door. Who knows, it didn't happen. It didn't happen for several reasons.
Starting point is 02:30:44 One of the conclusion of World War II, most of the troops who would arrive in Korea at first had been dispatched to Japan for occupation duty. US troops had suffered more than a million killed in wounded in World War II, and the American people were sick of war. And Congress had no appetite for funding the military even further. Two, by early 1950, more than 80% of the 24th World War II combat veterans have been replaced by inexperienced recruits those experienced minds that it did have like general Douglas mcArthur were embroiled in personal rivalries instead fast in their beliefs about how to win a war
Starting point is 02:31:14 even when it didn't make sense to fight that way uh... three mcArthur's jet ski ran out of gas at several in opportune times allowing him uh... you know not to make or not allowing him, rather to make enough of an impact with his razor boomerang. Real three now, nobody really knew what the Korean War aimed to do. The objective was not consistently clear. At first, it just aimed to get the North Koreans out of the South Korean capital of Seoul,
Starting point is 02:31:38 which it did, but then North Korea took Seoul back. And so South Korea took it back, back, back. And before long, nobody really knew what the fuck they were trying to do. Perhaps if there was more of a clearer vision of Korean self-determination beforehand, the war would have ended very differently. But instead, Soviet Russia quickly mobilized to commence North Koreans that communism was the way to freedom, which they bought into while the US hemmed in hot about how to get cooperation between South Koreans, US occupiers, occupation dealing with pushback
Starting point is 02:32:04 from Koreans who understandably wanted autonomy and the demands of Soviet Russia. Things just didn't come together for the US and South Korea in the same way. We took a moderate approach and it fucked us a bit in the face of a fanatical communist war machine. Speaking of communist war machine, the main reason we didn't decisively win the Korean war may be the simplest. We had more regard for human life than the communist Most of us did so make sense in a little bit The Chinese and Russian allies of North Korea as well as North Korea itself were willing to throw a body after body
Starting point is 02:32:32 Times infinity into the war did not care about the lives of their own soldiers Their soldiers were just tools them means to an end nothing more nothing less How do you fight an enemy like that if you're not willing to be as ruthless as they are? We did have one guy who was willing to be even more ruthless actually, but Truman pulled him out MacArthur Had he been left to do what he wanted to do we might actually not have only won the Korean War but scared both China and the Soviet so badly They wouldn't have dared to retaliate Several years after being relieved of his command in a 1954 interview This is so crazy to me.
Starting point is 02:33:05 He stated that he wanted to drop between 30 and 40, no, sorry, 30 and 50 atomic bombs on enemy bases in North Korea. And then there was more. After that, he wanted to lay up basically a massive river of radioactive waste across the northern edge of North Korea to seal it off from China, not kidding. This is not some of my bullshit. Can you fucking imagine how the world will look at America if we did that?
Starting point is 02:33:29 If we dropped 30 to 50 fucking bombs like the ones we dropped in Hiroshima and Nagasaki on Northern Korea. And then created some kind of a poca-liptic river of radioactive waste. That motherfucker had no shortage of fighting him. Victory at any cost, kind of guy. One of the sources for that info is the Truman Library and no shortage of fighting him. Victory at any cost, kind of guy. One of the sources for that info is the Truman Library and yeah, Truman hated him, but this is legit. I wanted it first why it wasn't more common knowledge, but then I thought, hey, I get whether you as proud he would rather not have that info, you know, make it out to the press
Starting point is 02:33:58 much. MacArthur, man, he was like the brand name Commie Fighting Action Figure version of the generic Commie Battling Fighting Man. Fight, fight, fight, fight, fight, fight, fight, Dean Commie's with my main late sword. Stop being bad guys with a defense shield, attack roll, 8D4 plus 10, direct hit, saving throw, 4D6 plus 12, Commie's miss Commies miss fight fight which or tank commies fight fight fight kill kill kill Watching for his pit bulldog
Starting point is 02:34:33 Bojangles bojangles world wind attack with the gavelin gun to die 10 plus a fucking thousand all the coming or I defeated Faded kill Bontobi Bontobi sorry about how it's broke there. Fighting man is good to hear from you. Okay, I know this is a weird episode, but I was trying to entertain it up. You know, other than to have just be a long list of battle names, despite fighting man MacArthur,
Starting point is 02:34:58 not Nuky North Korea and to fucking oblivion, we did still win the war in a sense. I think I think this war goes down as a stalemate. You know, the true victory parades weren't held. A UN force made up of most American troops did stop the communists from taking the southern half of the peninsula and that is very significant. Over 51 million people live in South Korea right now, over 51 million people not having to live in the hell on earth that is North Korea, a hellscape of almost no freedom, torture,
Starting point is 02:35:26 poverty, re-education, continual oppression. That's a fucking win. Over 51 million people, not counting all the people who died between the end of the Queen War or, you know, since the ceasefire. And now, some more like over 100 million people whose lives were made almost immeasurally better thanks to US military intervention, UN military intervention. And that is a win. A big one in my book.
Starting point is 02:35:48 So thank you to all the UN veterans of the Korean War, including my grandpa, Wardhall, Poppa Ward, never stationed in Korea during the war. I never saw action, but you know, ready to go fix some planes as an aircraft mechanic if that would have been needed for him. This war in his veterans definitely not forgotten to me. I hope you will remember them now with all my crazy nonsense and let's head to today's takeaways. Time to suck. Top five takeaways. Number one, the Korean War began on June 25th, 1950 when some 75,000 soldiers, maybe
Starting point is 02:36:23 more like 100,000, from the North Korean peoples army poured across the 38th parallel, the boundary between the Soviet-backed Democratic peoples, Republic of Korea, to the North, and the pro-Western Republic of Korea to the South. North Koreans would capture the capital of Seoul, but over the course of the war, the city would change hands several times, eventually ended up in the hands of South Korea. Number two, initially the American's strategy was successful. The Incheon Landing, an amphibious assault at Incheon
Starting point is 02:36:49 pushed the North Koreans out of Seoul and back to their side of the 38th parallel. But as American troops crossed the boundary and headed north to the Yalu River, the border between North Korea and communist China, the Chinese started to worry about protecting themselves from what they called armed aggression against Chinese territory.
Starting point is 02:37:04 In reality, they were probably more than happy to fight the capitalist Americans. As the war went on, with more and more Chinese forces pouring into Korea, the fighting installed in casualties mounted with nothing to show for them. Number three, when we look at whose fault this war really was, we can say definitively, it was Japan's. Since the beginning of the 20th century, Korea had been part of the Japanese Empire, colonized by a relentless policy of imperialism that squashed local culture and political representation. After World War II, it fell to the Americans and
Starting point is 02:37:35 the Soviets now to decide what should be done with their enemy's imperial possessions. Number four, in July of 1951, President Truman and his new military commanders started peace talks at Pond Moon John still defining continued along the 38th parallel as negotiations stalled. Finally, after more than two years of negotiations, the adversaries signed an armistice July 27, 1953. The agreement allowed the POWs to stay where they liked, drew a new boundary near the 38th parallel, they gave South Korea an extra 1500 square miles of territory, and created a two mile wide D-militarized zone that still exists today. Number five, new info.
Starting point is 02:38:12 The Korean War is commemorated in D.C. by the Korean War veterans memorial. Perhaps the most iconic feature of the memorial are the 19 stainless steel statues, representing the service members who fought in the war. The statues are about 7 feet tall among patches of juniper bushes that symbolize the rice paddies of Korea. Along the northern side of the field of statues is a curve that features an alphabetical listing of the countries that contributed troops to the United Nations efforts during the Korean War.
Starting point is 02:38:38 At the apex of the triangle-shaped memorial is the pool of remembrance. One end of the mural wall extends into the pool area with an impactful reminder written in 10-inch silver letters. Freedom is not free. A new edition completed in 2022, the wall of remembrance includes the names of 36,574 American service members and more than 7,200 members of the Korean augmentation to the US Army who gave their lives
Starting point is 02:39:03 defending the people of South Korea. The Korean War opening shots of the Cold War has been sucked. Big thank you to Sophie Evans for her initial research today. Also big thanks to the Suck Ranger title of C. Stayin' Late, recording and editing this episode so you can watch on YouTube in addition to listening listening next week on time suck we go back to crime with a serial killer maybe or maybe it's a very creepy criminal revolutionary and civil war reenactor weirdo guy. We look into the true story that the Apple TV plus series blackbird was based on indian native Larry Hall Larry who appeared to all the world as a mild mannered janitor
Starting point is 02:39:47 and civil war enthusiast was suspected by the fby of killing up to forty women some sources of the up to fifty including the college student named trisha reatler whose body had never has uh... was never found though it was assumed that she'd been killed from the bloody clothes that were found in the spot where she disappeared unable to get a confession the fby gave another prisoner, Jimmy Keene, convicted a drug dealing a chance
Starting point is 02:40:08 at freedom if he got Larry to admit to what they were sure, what they're still sure he did. Would Jimmy use his charisma, you know, to help him elicit a confession in exchange for some time off of a sentence? He would have to do what we do so often here, wait into the mind of a dirt back. Instead of doing on a podcast, they'll be doing it in person. The true story of Jimmy Keane and creepy ass Larry Hall next week here on Time Suck. Right now, let's head on over to this week's Time Sucker Updates.
Starting point is 02:40:36 Our first update is from wonderful mid-sack and huge Disney Dork, Andrea Stump. She writes, Hey Dan, in the amazing time sucked team, I'm gonna skip the usual pleasantries because I'm unusually excited. But I can finally blame Roy Motherfucking Disney for something. My family is self-admittedly huge Disney fans. We go to Disney World every spring.
Starting point is 02:41:04 So, needless to say, I was screaming in my car radio when I heard you say in the Alexandria Library time suck that we didn't have any records of the books from Alexandria. I have listened to Judy Dench. Tell me for years on Spaceship Earth, Earth. That it turns out there were copies of some of these books in the libraries of the Middle East being watched over by Arab and Jewish scholars. Call it the first backup system. No actual evidence, this is right. But surely Roy Disney wouldn't lie to me, much less Judy Dentch, right? So maybe we should look in the Middle East for those missing wizard scrolls.
Starting point is 02:41:35 Obviously, I blame that mother killing Roy Disney for all of all of this since he actually did build Epcot. Hope that made you chuckle. Have an awesome day. No special sign off. I have three kids. No time for that shit. Andrea.
Starting point is 02:41:45 Fair. Andrea. Yeah. Roy Disney is both a murderer and a liar, but Judy Dench seems cool. Hmm. Are they hiding the Wizard Fireball schools from Alexandria at Epcot Center? Clearly we need to infiltrate the QAnon chatrooms and try and convince the QAnon believers to plan another rate against
Starting point is 02:42:06 Disney world this time. Even if they don't find anything at the very least, it will be wildly entertaining. Thank you, Andrea. Go beat. I mean, watch those kids from I don't want to share their name and give myself in a lot of legal trouble comes this next message. It seems that this year's bad magic sticker street team is going very well. Looking forward to announcing a winner soon. Maybe it'll be whoever has been doing this. Somebody writes. Hi, I'm writing. Hi, I'm writing for the track brochure distribution in Branson, Missouri and the Ozarks area. We have brochure displays throughout the area and have been finding stickers placed on the wood panels of artists plays that we are having to take off. I want to let someone know that they may have staff who are using our displays for this without permission. If you would like to visit with us about marketing,
Starting point is 02:42:54 please feel free to reach out to me at the number below. Thanks for your help. Yeah, I have a, I've yet to reply to this email. I never asked anybody to put stickers where they don't belong, but I'm pretty sure I have a legal right to find this very fucking funny. Branson, Missouri, that's where we're gonna get a lot of time-soaked fans. That's demographic, the Branson folks. One more concern, Zach Brandon Wilson feels like I took it easy on some idiots. He writes, Dan, are we not gonna talk about how idiotic people were to believe these monsters, the briley brothers were innocent, rape, murder, thievery, prison right, jailbreak, people still one of them freed? What the actual fuck man?
Starting point is 02:43:33 Thought for sure the suck master would roast those dummies, any who, he'll lose a fina love you. Oh yeah, love you guys at bad magic to kiss kiss. Brandon, I thought I did say they're idiots. So I probably didn't roast them hard enough. Yeah, no, yeah, fucking idiots to protest those assholes being on death row. Right? Because, you know, as you pointed out, it's like there was multiple crimes. You know, the murders far from their first crimes,
Starting point is 02:43:54 not Eagle Scouts with no records, not even close. And there was evidence of the murders. A lot of evidence that they did it. They lied on the stand in their defense blatantly, numerous times, tossed out alibis that were not backed up, they were convicted in numerous trials of multiple heinous crimes and wanted to rape and kill during their death row prison escape. So yeah, get the fuck out of here protesting that. If you have time to protest, you can surely protest something so much more worthwhile
Starting point is 02:44:24 than those motherfuckers not sitting in the electric chair. Big thanks to BetterHelp for sponsoring us on this special segment. It's another special edition to our Time Sucker updates. I'm going to share some advice given to me by Courtney Cope, License Marriage Family Therapist and Principal Clinical Operations Manager at BetterHelp and David Yadish, License Therapist and Senior Clinical Operations Manager at BetterHelp and David Yadish, license therapist and senior clinical operations manager at BetterHelp. Answering two questions about work from our listeners today. First question, how do you manage co-workers unsolicited advice and opinions about your work or your personal life?
Starting point is 02:44:56 To start, reflect on how your own behavior might be accidentally inviting unsolicited advice. Is there anything in your communication style that opened you up to this advice? Do you talk about your personal life at work? If you are readily sharing that information, your coworker might feel obligated to reciprocate. So be mindful of how much of your life you are sharing at work. Are you complaining about your life and then expecting others to not give advice? Also, assume positive intent. Most people believe it or not, do have the best intentions. That said, if the advice is making you uncomfortable,
Starting point is 02:45:31 you can redirect them by saying something like, thank you for that advice, but I feel like I had this under control. Anyways, did you hear about X at work this week? Or have you started watching X show? Or you can say, thank you so much for your efforts, but I prefer to handle this my way. If they still don't get this, it's likely a them problem and not a you problem. And if the advice continues, you might have to take a more direct approach and politely
Starting point is 02:45:56 and calmly explain that you would rather not be told how to handle whatever they're giving you advice about. And now for the second question, how to combat burnout and depression? Man, Lindsey and I talk about this almost daily. I think most people do, especially here in the US, no matter who you are or what kind of load you carry, the American way is to do more, more, more. And that's not always a good thing.
Starting point is 02:46:21 And I say that as someone accused by many of being a true workaholic. My first thought is to remember that as one of my wife's besties likes to say, being busy is not a badge of honor. It is so damn hard to balance life. I like to approach the balanced piece of life one day to time. The balance is going to look different from day to day.
Starting point is 02:46:40 One day might only allow for a quick 15 minute lunch outside that provides some kind of balance in peace while another day might allow you for a quick 15 minute lunch outside that provides some kind of balance and peace while another day might allow you to hit the gym at lunch and grab a healthy meal. Yet another day might not have anything to do with work. If you can have days like that, take them. Accept that each day will be different and then show yourself some grace. Burnout is not just work, it can be any aspect of your life. A way to avoid burnout is to work on maintaining a connection to yourself and your inner wisdom.
Starting point is 02:47:09 It can be a cycle of being stuck, going through the motions, trying to touch base with yourself. What are you looking for in life? What is your plan to achieve balance? If you don't have a plan, take a few minutes and write down where you'd like to see yourself in a year, five years, ten years, twenty, etc. What kind of balance do you want and what steps will you take to get there? where you'd like to see yourself in a year, five years, 10 years, 20, et cetera. What kind of balance do you want and what steps will you take to get there?
Starting point is 02:47:28 Having a plan, a written plan, can really help reduce stress and anxiety because you can take it out and look it over on days when you feel especially burned out. Also, sometimes just giving yourself a few minutes of relaxation and reflection a day can go a long ways to combating burnout. All of us can find five, 10 minutes in a day to sit outside in the sun, listen to music,
Starting point is 02:47:49 journal, etc. Interrupting your patterns is a great way to break the burnout cycle. Set limits or end dates to the load you are carrying if it's something you need to do. Be intentional with your time. And that wraps up this special edition of Time Sucker Updates, a big thank you to our sponsor BetterHelp and to Courtney Cope, at BetterHelp, Principal Clinical Operations Manager, and David Yadish, Senior Clinical Operations Manager at BetterHelp. Courtney Cope and David Yadish's input is general psychological information based on research
Starting point is 02:48:19 and clinical experience. It's intended to be general and informational in nature. It does not represent or indicate an established clinical or professional relationship with those inquiring for guidance. Their feedback is in response to a written question, and therefore, there are likely unknown considerations given the limited context. Also, just because you might hear something on the show that sounds similar to what you're experiencing, beware of self-diagnosis. Diagnosis is not required to find relief, and you'll want to find a qualified professional to assess and explore diagnoses if that's important to you.
Starting point is 02:48:50 If you or your partner are in crisis and uncertain of whether you can maintain safety, reach out for support, crisis hotlines, local authorities, have a safety plan that can be done with the therapist too. He just wants you to keep on sucking Lay your hands on me lay your hands on the bed roses. And tonight I'm going down in a blaze of glory. Take me now before the truth, shot through the heart. In your two blame, honey, you give love a bad name. This is going to be my head for fucking weeks now.
Starting point is 02:50:03 Oh Blame, honey, you give love, oh bad name. This shit's gonna be in my head for fucking weeks now.

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