Timesuck with Dan Cummins - 374 - The Duggar's Dark Secrets

Episode Date: November 13, 2023

You probably are pretty familiar with the Duggar family, from TLC's hit show 19 and Counting. But do you know about the sexual abuse they hid for years? And do you know about the organization, often called a dangerous cult, that shaped their beliefs that may have led to them downplay that sexual abuse, The Institute in Basic Life Principles? Wild one today.  A lot more talk about riding bikes than I anticipated. Hail Nimrod! GIVING TREE INFORMATION: If you would like to donate this year, go to amazon.com and purchase a gift card. When you fill out the box of whom to send this gift card to, simply enter the following email address: [e-mail] you want to be a recipient of the Giving Tree - on Tuesday November 21st at 12:00 noon PT, we will be begin accepting applications on our website, badmagicmerch.com. THIS WILL BE THE ONE AND ONLY WAY TO SUBMIT YOUR FAMILY.Act fast! When the maximum number of families we can help have submitted, the application will stop working. Good luck and Hail Nimrod! Get tour tickets at dancummins.tv Watch the Suck on YouTube: https://youtu.be/P8KMFbdbGU4Merch: https://www.badmagicmerch.comTimesuck Discord! https://discord.gg/tqzH89vWant to join the Cult of the Curious private Facebook Group? Go directly to Facebook and search for "Cult of the Curious" in order to locate whatever happens to be our most current page :)For all merch related questions/problems: [e-mail] (copy and paste)Please rate and subscribe on Apple Podcasts and elsewhere and follow the suck on social media!! @timesuckpodcast on IG and http://www.facebook.com/timesuckpodcastWanna become a Space Lizard?  Click here: https://www.patreon.com/timesuckpodcastSign up through Patreon and for $5 a month you get access to the entire Secret Suck catalog  (295 episodes) PLUS the entire catalog of Timesuck, AD FREE.  You'll also get 20% off of all regular Timesuck merch PLUS access to exclusive Space Lizard merch.  And you get the download link for my secret standup  album, Feel the Heat.

Talking today about the Dugger family, but also about so much more. The large fundamentalist family led by Jim Bob Dugger was first marketed to the world as an oasis of wholesomeness in a world of filth with their debut cable special in 2004. Jim Bob and his wife Michelle and their many, many, many kids came across as a sort of real life flander's family from the Simpsons. For many, they represented some good old days, traditional family values, a wonderfully humble and virtuous family, leading such righteous happy lives, but was everything as it appeared. Or was all that wholesomeness of Assad for some really dark shit hide beneath the surface? There's a good chance you're familiar with the Duggers,

but what do you really know about their connection to the Institute and Basic Life Principles? A radical organization described by many, including numerous other Christian organizations as a dangerous cult. If you watched the recent Amazon Prime docu-series and it was great, about the rise and fall of the Duggers, shiny, happy people, you might know quite a bit. Lindsay and I watched it and her mind was blown. Like she was disgusted. Me less so due to all my research into the dark and strange here over the years, but I was surprised to see the duggers attached to this particular organization. I shouldn't have been, but I guess I wasn't really paying attention to them. The IBLP is scary to me than most of the cults we have covered because far more people in this country either are here to its beliefs, or at least don't see them as very problematic.

And I don't consider this a cult episode, by the way. I don't know what category I'll put today's episode in. Pop culture maybe? Related to the R Kelly episode, perhaps more than anything else. I wanted to learn about the Duggers because going back to when I was a little kid, like before the age of 10, I've had this almost instinctual aversion to people who seem to work so hard to have the rest of the world see them as being so incredibly wholesome and righteous. I just rarely buy it.

I want to know what they're hiding, who they really are. In my experience, people who at first glance appear a lot rough around the edges. People who curse, people comfortable with an uncomfortable joke, they tend to be the best, most accepting kind, helpful, caring, cool, fucking people out there. I feel a certain extra level of comfort around someone who seems to lay their cards out all in the table. Here I am, love it or leave it kind of vibes, hail Nimrod, do I love that? But when someone never curses, like when they really make a point out of that, when they get uncomfortable talking about anything taboo, like real judgemental and uptights,

when they never talk shit about anything or anybody or laugh, it's something just a little off color, when they seem super rigid, uptight, easily offended, I think, what the fuck you hiding? Why do you feel the need to act like that? It just rarely reads as natural and genuine to me. You know, life is rugged

and messy and full of pain, even when it's going relatively well. So maybe loosen up. I've never watched a full episode of any of the Dugger family shows. When I heard about them and look briefly into them years ago, I did wonder what they were hiding. And as it turns out, quite a bit starting with the true nature of the Institute and basic life principles, it is not a good healthy wholesome organization Not a my book not even fucking close It's an organization with beliefs eerily reminiscent of the handmade tales Giliette in this group would truly love to take over America and turn it into an insanely misogynistic

Theocracy and Jim Bob Dugger. He would love that too Traditional value traditional value, excuse me, do not necessarily equate to good values because a lot of traditions, frankly, fucking suck. We don't hold on to them because they're great. We hold on to them because we're a species that is resistant to change or because we often love what's familiar,

even if it's probably worse than a new alternative. Or we hold on to them because they benefit the people they empower often at the direct expense of many others. The Dugor family captured Middle America's hearts, following a few standalone documentaries, and then the learning channel, 19 kids and counting show originally called 17 kids and counting 18 kids, enjoyed by millions for years. As a wholesome show show the entire family could all enjoy together without anyone having to worry about anything offensive going on. Although many viewers would disagree with some of the Dougers believe they still found it fascinating to watch how people so different from the mainstream were living their lives. And they largely thought Jim Bob and Michelle

were very good protective parents within a world of violence, scandalous entertainment, kind of like this dark piece of shit podcast, the Duggers popularity was largely due to how safe, how non-controversial it was. Well, this week, we're going to examine how the hell the Duggers raised such an enormous family. We'll look at the many, many rules that they and their children follow. Their religious beliefs, the timeline of important events in the family's lives. Well, looking to the dark secret, they kept for so many years an examination of some day and their children follow their religious beliefs, the timeline of important events in the family's lives.

Well, looking to the dark secret, they kept for so many years in examination of some controversial groups. They have been strongly associated with and will ask ourselves, what does it really mean to be wholesome? What traditional values are worth keeping? Which one should we kick to the fucking curb forever? In another, many of the rules we follow today were invented by ordinary old meat sacks, often no better or no more wise than we are.

Sometimes much worse than we are. So much of our reality is what we collectively choose to make it. What happened Monday, Meet SX? Welcome or welcome back to the Cult of the Curious. Dan Cummins, Suck Nasty, Curator of the John Bon Jovi Korean War exhibit at the World's Coolest People Hall of Fame Museum. Dabbler in the occult still very frustrated with Barry the demon and you are listening to time suck Hail Nimrod Hale Lucifina Praiseable Jangles and Glory be to triple M My buddy Pat House many of you have come to my stand-up shows over the years

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We'll be shopping, sending out gifts from December 1st through December 17th and look forward to bringing our community together once again over the holidays to love and support one another. You can find the pertinent information that I've just shared in today's episode description. And then the last thing before we get digging into the Dougher's, some bad news. I'm trying to hold it together, but I yeah, I fell out of I fell out my bed again, this week. And I broke my fall with my boner again. And now it's been at 135 degree angle. So like imagine a penis being bent to a 90 degree angle, and then just bend it like halfway further back towards

touching itself and it is so hard to pee and it almost impossible to have sex. Actually, I actually really hurt my wrist trying to masturbate with that angle and now I also have carpal tunnel. But I'm still here and it's time to get started. I'm an idiot. I'm sure some of you are a bit anxious over how I'm going to handle this topic. Will I insult your belief system? Why do I pick so many topics similar to this one? Well, I hope that, even if you're Christian, you are very aware of the diversity that exists within your religion. And understand that my dissection of the Duggers face might disdain for certain aspects, aspects

of it does not apply to all Christian nominations. And if you're sick of me touching on subjects that do heavily involve religion and don't understand why I keep coming back to the same well, let me explain. I've ended up picking a lot of topics examining Christianity, not really looking too originally, just I'm just I am fasted with religion, but more fascinated with our culture. And you just can't understand American culture without understanding the most important religion in America that has shaped the culture more than any other ideology by far. One nation under God, and that God here in America has always predominantly been the Christian God. Did you know that every single U.S. president without exception has identified publicly as

being Christian? I don't think some of them have actually been Christian, but they've at least said they are. It's that important here in America. Thomas Jefferson, Abraham Lincoln, Donald Trump, William Howard Taft, arguably the four least religious of our presidents have at least identified as being some form of Christian. Only two presidents have ever not been sworn into office using a Christian Bible, Teddy Roosevelt, John Quincy Adams, but not because they hated it, both of them also identified as Christian and as an intensely curious person. Cult of the curious for fucking life with it without this show, trying to figure out why my neighbors act the way they do, why we think the way we think, why we vote the way we

do, why we get offended at this and that have to understand where many of us are coming from in the sense of core belief systems. Belief systems often very different from my own. I was raised around Christianity while I had a Christian pastor for a grandfather and would be asked to attend church when he was around. Outside of that never taken to church by my family. Never one of my parents just because it was important to them as far as I can remember. My mom's side of the family, largely atheist, but I would go with some of my friends growing up to church, their churches.

I still sometimes, to this day, attend a religious service, and this may surprise you, actually enjoy myself. I love a good sermon. Might not believe the motivation to give it, but I can respect and appreciate the message and still feel moved by it. And I can respect why everyone around me

is gathered around, you know, to congregate, to hopefully find answers to life's toughest questions. Right, that's what curiosity leads eventually. I think the most important human questions are, are the ones we meet, sax, have grappled with. The most since whenever we become became sentient are the ones related to the very nature of our existence. How do we get here?

Why are we here? What happens to our consciousness when we die? What does it all fucking mean? That was born curious about all this. My parents say the first sense I ever learned to speak was a question. What's that? What's that? What's that?

I asked it constantly to the point I drove my parents and grandparents fucking crazy. They still laugh about it. Those of us that are alive anyway. I asked so off my dad would give me a question quotas for a while like you got five more questions for the rest of the day Pick them wisely just to get me to shut up a bit That curiosity is what led to this podcast right the cold the curious and it leads me to Look into others who have asked the same questions and often found their answers in religion others who have asked the same questions and often found their answers in religion. Religions most important function I would argue is to allow us to move on from these questions, to feel satisfied in the answers they provide, to give us a comforting playbook for how life

is supposed to work to make us feel that all is not just evolution and chance and chaos, but there's actually a plan unfolding for all of us, a divine plan. And I've been jealous for as long as I can remember of those who firmly trust that those answers have been found for them in religion. I haven't found them, right? I'm still not satisfied, I'm still seeking. And while the answer is the duggers found in their religious beliefs do not resonate with me,

they do help draw me into their story. So that's where all this is coming from, curiosity. It's where it comes from every week, right? What's that? What's that? What's that person doing? What It's where it comes from every week, right? What's that? What's that? What's that person doing? What's that person believing? Why, why, why?

Why can't they seem to see how harmful their belief system blatantly is to so many others in certain cases? Or to themselves, why do they continue to cling to these beliefs and push them on others when the beliefs seem to bring about so much unnecessary pain and confusion? Why, why, why? I hope I never lose interest in asking these questions. I hope I never just shut my brain off and think, ah, who cares? So that's

why we're here to do a lot more than just poke fun at some reality TV stars. Well, that's going to happen a bunch too. Let us begin. To break this all down this week, I'm going to first give an overview to the quiverful movement. Help explain why the duggers felt they should have so many kids. They will meet the duggers themselves, learn their names, where they, you know, come from, what they believe, how do they run their household, how do they raise their kids, what are their religious beliefs, then we'll jump into a timeline that leads pretty quick into their rise to reality TV fame.

We'll explore the dark secret that led to their fall from grace and will examine the dangerous super fucked up institution that provided the duggers with their homeschool curriculum and basic ideology guided their overall beliefs, how they raise their kids, how they live their lives, the institute and basic life principles. A group they are supposedly to be still very, very, very much associated with. A lot of yikes in that group, so much yikes. Also so much shit to make fun of thing.

Cool, okay, cool. So why do the duggers have so many kids? To answer that question, would you need to look at the quiverful movement? Although the duggers have stated they're not directly a part of the quiverful movement, and it's not like it's an official movement with the list of members, you sure could fool me that they're not in.

At the very least, Quirifold ideology closely lines with the Duggers beliefs and explains why they and certain other conservative Christians are so adamantly opposed to birth control. Quirifold is a theological position held by some conservative Christian couples who belong to Christian denominations that see large families as blessings from God. It originates in the hands of a warrior are sons born in one's youth. Blessed is the man whose Quiver is full of them. So get to fucking fuck off and come hard, Christian warriors. Only come inside your wife's vagina. And only then when the goalkeeper has been removed shoot that shot player Might that suggest Birth control strictly prohibited in quiverful families even the natural family planning method is strongly discouraged

They believe that God will give you the number of children you are meant to have Quiverful Christians believe that God controls a woman's fertility directly and because of that using protection during sex is interfering with God's plan. But does he have that planned out for us? I mean, really makes me question how invested God is in us having a specific amount of kids, if the same God who is, you know, planning, telling us how many kids we're gonna have,

also has made us smart enough to figure out how to, you know, circumvent the reproductive process. But while data over the decades estimates that the true number of peripheral families are in the low thousands to low tens of thousands, the movement has influenced far more Christians than those numbers. So where the hell did this movement come from?

Have it as many kids as possible was common practice, you know, for most families, almost all families in earlier centuries. So there wasn't need for a movement like this. This movement was born in response to modern birth control. Right, after the first FDA approved birth control pills showed up in 1960. Now this was a question we had to grapple with.

The quiverful movement would begin, right, in response to the pills widespread use in the following decade. During the sexual revolution in the 60s, conservative churches across America began to denounce the birth control pill, claimed it did not adhere to biblical law. And then the following decade, right, in the 70s, specifically in 1977, Queerful Movement, Proponent Nancy Campbell began writing articles for her magazine above rubies. Her writings glorified, stayed home mothers who had lots of kids. She also published a book called Be Fruitful and Multiply, in which she wrote, The Womb is such a powerful weapon. It's a weapon against the enemy. Essentially,

the more kids you can have, the more warriors in God's army, there will be to defeat the great adversary. That is the basic reasoning there. More warriors to push back against those who question, religion like me. More warriors to vote and turn their chosen nation into one truly ruled by biblical principles. Nancy Campbell and Mary Pride were the unofficial leaders of the Quirifold movement, the movement again, just a belief system, not an actual organization of any kind. And it started in the 70s. Mary Pride would publish her most influential book that same year, or excuse me, the same

year that Margaret Atwood published the Handmaid's Tale in 1985. The way home beyond feminism back to reality, pride chronicle her journey from feminism to happiness. And actually the Handmaid's Tale, a book I, many of you know I am fascinating with, was written in response to the ideology behind the quiverful and similar theological movements. Margaret Atwood has said publicly that the handmade sale was inspired by movements exactly like quiverful. She said the novel is speculative fiction, offering a satirical view of various real social,

political religious trends that the US was experiencing that were bothering her in the early 1980s and late 1970s. The novel was written to illustrate what these ideological movements would look like if they were taken to their logical end. In that end, especially if you've seen the show on Hulu, not pretty. Not pretty, especially for girls and women. And the beliefs of the Duggers also not pretty for girls and women, holy shit.

We'll dig into that. Back to Mary Pride, she converted to conservative Christianity in 1977. She learned about the biblically mandated roles of wives and mothers to have children, to stay in the home, to live under the authority to submit Lindsey, have some subservience to their husbands. I'm saying that in a joking way, but I'm not joking. Mary loved this role. And I would say, if you love that role, I mean, find if it makes you happy for choosing it.

I am not opposed to anyone choosing to live in this quote unquote, you know, traditional gender role. As long as they also understand that, you know, there's no shame if they don't want it, right? Lindsay loved not working for a year and running our house when we first got up to Idaho. And so did I. Glad we worked together now, but for a while, you know, that was not the plan.

She didn't jump into podcasting because it was dreamer her. She did it to help me go our business and we couldn't afford to hire anyone else. I'm very grateful, but she would have been very happy to stay at home and not work. And she had some friends she used to work with in LA, work with in production, guilt trip her, looked down on her for wanting to be a traditional stay-at-home wife and mom.

Like that was anti-feminist or something. And she and I both thought and continued to think that's pretty fucked up judgment. She wasn't doing it because I forbid her to work outside the home. She didn't because she truly loves creating special memories for family and friends, making her home feel special. She loves cooking, loves baking, taking care of her family. That should just make her very happy. And it makes you happy. Fucking go for it. And fuck people who don't understand you.

But you shouldn't have to do it, right? And that's what Mary was advocating. Mary would take this opposite and equally unnecessary view that some of Lindsey's friends took. You know, that working outside the home was a terrible thing for a woman to do. If you're doing that, you're a bad mom, you're a bad woman essentially, you're hurting your family. And Mary's opinion of domestic subservient life was the only life, you know, that Mary Christian women should live, but modern evil feminism teaches Christian women

that they can live outside the home, that they can have a different purpose to their life. You know, tricks them into thinking shit like their opinions and thoughts are as valid as a man's. Fucking crazy, right? Teach them they could be the primary breadwinner of their home. What? A lady with a little lady brain?

It teaches them that they don't have to have kids, if they don't want to. Excuse me. What was that? Speak up, Harlett. Teach them to accept birth control as being an acceptable option alive. Should you choose to use it in various options?

Just don't work. For the simple Simon binary thinkers, the world has always been loaded with, right? Complex, nuance thinking. It's just too much work for the billions of lazy thinkers. Pride backed her hardline stance with several Bible verses for favorite being Psalm 127 verses 3 to 5. Low, children are in heritage of the Lord, and the fruit of the womb is his reward,

as arrows are on the hand of a mighty man, so are children of the youth. Happy as the man that hath his quiverful of them, they shall not be ashamed, but they shall speak with the enemies in the gate. And that is the King James Version, of course, which the quiverful movement only uses. My first red that verse, my brain did turn low, L-O into L-O-L. It's a very different read when it starts with L-O-L, gives it a very different vibe. L-O-L, children are here to the Lord, get a fight out of here. Mary pride wrote, God commanded that sex be at least potentially fruitful

that is not deliberately unfruitful, all forms of sex that shy away from marital fruitfulness are perverted, no blow jobs. Oh boy. That verse has led to a lot of misery, truly that interpretation. Right, it's led to so many women, whether they didn't want kids or didn't want as many as they

ended up having becoming essentially brood mayors, led to a belief that any sex act other than penis in vagina, P in the V is perverted and sinful. So all masturbation, all homosexual sex, and also most heterosexual sex acts dirty and perverse. Now what a bummer. What a bummer because there's so much more than PNV. So many very fun ways to have sex. Hey, Lucina. All right, the belief has led to shit like anti-mastervation sermons. You know, I had a friend growing up who went to, I don't know, heard one of these sermons,

we went to some camp over the summer and bragged to me. How about I was never gonna masturbate again. Went on about the evils of jerking off. I'm not sure where that guy is now. Hopefully not serial killing. Hopefully not in prison for fucking snapping. I'm gonna need some sex crime because he was just so horny and sexually frustrated and had so much shame and guilt and anger.

It's a natural urge. It's literally medically healthy in a variety of ways. If all of the world's dudes stopped masturbating and felt shameful about it. Holy shit. We would live in a fucking violent nightmare. Mass shootings, rapes, oh, probably increased by, I don't know, about a million percent. The world would become reminiscent of the walking, deserts, replaced zombies with very angry, crazy, horny dudes.

No thank you. Anyway, a lot of Christian women were inspired by Pride's book, spread the movement through their churches and other social networks. Various pastors began giving sermon supporting the Quiverful movement. Charlie D. Provence 1989, the Bible and birth control was another popular Quiverful book. Then Rick and Jan Hess wrote a full quiver, family planning and the Lordship of Christ in 1990. They emphasized that children were not to be viewed as a financial burden.

Don't even think about money. Just fucking pop them out. If a couple chooses to control their fertility, they have offended thy lord. They have rejected blessings from God. Just have those babies, have faith that everything will work out, even though in today's economy, I probably won't. Honestly, probably won't work out. Quiverful Christians believe that if a man or woman is infertile, they have an empty

quiver. YEEK., that sounds nice. I had a sectomy back in 2015. My quiver strives shit! Nothing but dust, these nasty old devil balls. Like God decide how many kids you have, you know, if you're having fertility trouble, pray for a miracle, do not do in vitro or anything similar, that is also preached in fertility treatments seen as interfering with God's plan.

So my son Kyler, he is the product of Invitro and fertilization. After my ex-wife and I had several miscarriages, which means he is an abomination, which explains so much. I mean, he's fucking weird. I've always thought he was kind of cool weird, but maybe not. Maybe a little devil weird.

Maybe punishment for fucking with God's plan. Adoption accepted as an alternative to having biological children, Clifford will Christianity also supports biblical patriarchy, homeschooling, homesteading to avoid worldly influences. Separate your family, right? Get out there in the woods,

don't let your kids interact with anybody else. That'll really prepare them for a nice healthy and happy life. Quiverful Christians also feel a duty to multiply to ensure Christianity stays strong across the world. And hopefully if it gets strong enough, it can take over the world country by country, building one theocracy after another kind of exactly like the Handmaid's Tale. Catherine Joyce, author of Quiverful, inside the Christian Patriarchy movement, told NPR years back. They speak about if everyone starts having eight children or 12 children. Imagine in three

generations what we'll be able to do. We'll be able to take over both halls of Congress. We'll be able to reclaim sinful cities like San Francisco for the faithful and we'll be able to wage very effective massive boycotts against companies that are going against God's will. Looking at you, Bud Light. Right? That kind of shit. I don't feel like she used San Francisco as a random example. I think I know why she picked it.

If you're not already already sitting down, you're going to want to. I have heard from trusted source, I've seen with my own eyes. A lot of debauchery there. I've also heard there's quite a bit of poo-po-loop-o-wing. A lot of man-butt, poo-po-loop-o-ling. A lot of man-demand kissing, cuddling. Also don't get mad at me for saying that. I'm just a messenger.

A lot of lady to lazy, cissorine and muff diving goes on down by the bay, sitting down by the box-docs of the bay, eat and push. No, thank you. Be gone, Luciferina. But maybe let me respectfully watch from Corn the Word of Jerk off, South shame, cock and bottle, no one. Maybe they were rattle. Yeah, chicken teal. He's, he the fucking, he loves Amherstisco. All they, all they share are similar beliefs. He duggers and cis. They are not part of the quiverful movement though. Jim Bob wrote in his book, a love the multiplies.

We are simply Bible believing Christians who desire to follow God's word and apply it to our lives. But they are heavily involved with the Institute of Basic Life principles and the IBLP does share a lot of Quiverful Movement beliefs in its more structured, more complicated ideology. Again, more on the IBLP in the timeline. When the Duggers got married, they figured they would have two or three kids and be done. Initially, had their first child, they decided to wait a while before trying for another. They got on, they got on the pill.

So, you know, troubles brewing. And Michelle will be devastated by the miscarriage of their second child. Because of that pill, she found comfort in the Bible, specifically Psalm 127 versus 1 to 5. She and Jim Bob prayed together, asked God to give them as many kids as he desired them to have. And they would go on to have 19 children, 10 boys, 9 girls. Michelle would become pregnant about every 18 months with a few exceptions. For example, when her 18th child, Jordan was 6 months old, she became pregnant with her 19th child, Josie. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Got harder as time went on for the dougers to get pregnant, do primarily to the 19 kids, absolutely fucking destroying Michelle's birth canal.

It just, you know, it got, got pretty loosened up. Thanks to popping out a lot of big potato headed douger babies, you know, for their 19th kid, rumor is it rumor has it, excuse me, the gym Bob had to literally get down on his hands and knees and crawl into Michelle's vagina and then stand up inside her uterus and then jerk off into one of her philopeontops That's that's the one time. It's okay to jerk off in quiverful circles if you're standing up inside If you're standing up if you're standing tall and straight Inside your wives completely wrecked uterus and you jerk off into her floppy and twos.

Two ridiculous. Okay, for everyone still listening, let's meet the Duggers. Of course the family is led by Jim Bob and Michelle Dugger. First child they had was Josh Dugger, Bane of their existence, destroyer of the Dugger brand. He was born March 3rd, 1988. He'll get married to Anna Keller. And now they have seven children.

Mackenzie Michael Marcus, Meredith Mason, Mary Ella and Madison. I still need to get there. Next two kids were twins for Jim Bob and Michelle. Jana and John David. Born January 12, 1990. John David married to Abby Burnett. They have two kids, Grayson Charlie.

Whew, John David, 33 and only two kids. Ooh, bo, bo, bo, bo. Feel like I can't prove it, but it feels like someone's been jerking off. You know, not focusing on the right hole. Whew, okay, all right. Janah, 33 still not married. Whoa, what the fuck?

There. Next daughter Jill, born May 17, 1991, Janah 33 still not married. Whoa, what the fuck? Laugh. Next daughter Jill, born May 17th, 1991, Jill married to Derek Dillard. They have two kids, Israel, Samuel, Jessadouger, born November 4th, 1992, Jessah married to Ben Seawald. They have four children. Finally, someone else taking this shit seriously.

Spurgeon, Henry, Ivy and Fern, then there's Ginger with a J. Born December 21st, 1993, married to Jeremy Volo, Viojolo, I don't know, they have two kids, Felicity and the Evangelion. So probably, I was probably doing something wrong. Next is Joseph, born January 20th, 1995, married to Kenra, called well, have four kids, good, good, good, good progress. Garrett Addison

Brooklyn praise and justice. Okay, different letters. That's weird. Disrespecting their parents. Josiah born August 28th 1996. Mary to Lauren Swanson. They have three kids. Bella Daisy and a new baby boy whose name has not been publicly revealed as far as I know. Next, Joy Anna Dugger. you revealed as far as I know. Next, Joy and a Dugger, born October 28, 1997, Mary to Austin, four sith, three kids, Gideon, Evelyn Mae, Gunner. After joy, another set of twins, Jedadaya, Jeremiah. It's not like a fucking tattooing wrestling duo. We got Jedadaya, Jeremiah, coming off the top ropes. Born December 30th, 1998, Jena Dayon married to Katie Nakatsu and they have 37 kids. They've been averaging one kid every two to three months. Not sure how they do it.

Probably a lot of Philippi and two masturbating. Probably a lot of that wall. There's already one kid in the womb. Probably fucking crawling there, pushing aside, get another kid going. Now they have two kids, Truette and Nora. Jeremiah, only one kid, so he's a piece of shit. Brindley Noel, with his wife Hannah. Not sure what their deal is.

And then there's the youngest duggers, no kids yet. Jason born in April of 2000, James, born in July of 2001, Justin, November of 2002. Justin married to Claire Spivey and there have been rumors in some fan forums that Justin may be using condoms. And I hope for the sake of his everlasting soul, that that is a lie.

That's a dirty lie. And for him, Jackson, born in 2004, Johanna, born in 2005, Jennifer, 2007, Jordan Grace, 2008, and Josie, the final 19th kid born in 2009. Josie is already married, married to Richard Johnson, and the 14 year old has 17 kids. No, she only has three. No, she has no kids. She's not married. I hope not.

Duggers also live with Tyler. They're great great net view born February 10th, 2008 adopted into the family. And sometimes referred to as the 20th Dugger. If you're wondering why all the J names Michelle has an answer for you. They named their first child Joshua because they like the story of Joshua The Bible and then went to his Janna and John Dave were born to decide to give them J names too And then when Michelle was pregnant baby number four she and Jim Bob decided to fully commit to J names There you go Uh, now let's take a look at life in the Dugger household.

All the rules, their children and them trying to follow so many rules, so many rules to crack me the fuck up. And of course some of their religious beliefs followed by a timeline of important events in the family's history, which will include a side dive into the Institute of Basic Life principles. What is life like in the Dugger household using mostly past tens here since while I imagine their days are still a lot like this I don't know for sure since the show was canceled in 2015 A typical day would start with early morning Bible study Bible study followed by personal hygiene time Interesting Is it just me or does it feel like it they should have flipped those two

Like like maybe brush your teeth and throw on the other end first, then gather together in a crowded space to study. After hygiene time, the family would eat breakfast, complete their chores, what's they would call jurist dictions. Jurist dictions, pretty fancy term for doing stuff like washing dishes, taking out the trash. Not now Josiah, Johannesburg and Javilan.

Before we ride our bikes around the house, but not in the neighborhood where there's so much secular danger, I must first finish my jurisdictions. After jurisdictions, I sound like something. Home school kids would say, actually, apologies to all of our home school listeners. I do know we have quite a few. After jurisdictions, they would first practice and religious music

and then head out for school. And by head out, I mean, they would all go outside to wait for the bus, then turn around and head right back inside when they remember they were homeschooled, or they just stayed in the house. They really were homeschooled, and they would have school lessons for the rest of the morning, you know, at home away from the Heath and debauchery of the public school system, a dougar homeschooling focused a lot on character traits and memorizing Bible pastures. Michelle once wrote, we have homeschooled our children because we want to spend time with them and train them to become mature Christians who love God.

They really have also not wanted their children to be influenced by peers of different faiths or no faith. They have spoke about how they don't want their kids to learn about things like atheism, socialism, evolution, or other worldly philosophies and behaviors. That sounds like a great way to make it very fucking hard for your kids to ever leave the nest and make it out there on their own in the world if they want to leave your religion. They're going to be so far behind most other people in the secular world.

They would take a small break for lunch, followed by more music, more homeschool, dinner, would be at six o'clock. All the boys would sometimes help cooking mainly managed by the Dugger girls and supervised by Michelle. You'll see that the household mostly ran by the older Dugger girls. Jim Bob would then read more from the Bible

and they'd talk about their days at dinner. Bible time very important for the Duggers. Jim Bob felt it was his duty to use this time to teach his kids biblical lessons. Michelle and Jim Bob would also utilize daily checklist that would detail each child's schoolwork, chores, music lessons, and personal hygiene. They check each child's list to keep them on track. Oldest girls, okay, and responsible for most of the daily chores. To keep the house running, literally preparing them for, you know, doing more of the same once they were grown,

as is a woman's duty. And listen, Lindsay actually does do most of the shit in our home. But only because I shoulder most of the business load. If this is how things happen to work out in your home, yeah, awesome, no judgment. It's only when domestic duties are seen as only women's work,

where I think it gets problematic, right? Where men start to think it's beneath them. The older Dugor girls would also do eight to 11 loads of laundry each day. Dugor children would also learn good life skills at home. And I do like this. Boys and girls who were interested could take a firefighter, first responder, training classes. Older girls would also be taught to how to cut how to cut and style hair so close and similar domestic skills. And the children will be taught to play musical instruments and practice music for a few hours every day, but no percussion!

Huh! Not kidding. No fricking drums. Why? Well, let me the devil. Not kidding. Bill Gothert founder of the Institute of Basic Life Principles taught followers that drums are the devil's favorite instrument. A lot of fundamentalist battered organizations have truly four bid drums. That beat. You watch out for that beat. It's going to get you in trouble.

It's going to get your hips moving. It's gonna get you in trouble. It's gonna get your hips moving, it's gonna get your body shaken and flirtatious tempting ways. Ugh. Oldest girls will also be in charge of the toddlers. Michelle would group the older and younger kids into buddy teams to look out for each other, do daily chores and grooming tasks.

The kids could use computer programs for homeschool and who would check their work? The older girls. Again, the Dugor household mostly run by the older girls. They checked the other kids scores, report back to Michelle, who would be the kind of primary supervisor teacher. Older children could also use online programs to earn some college credits and transfer them to a university. Jim Bob Michelle felt this could allow their children, hopefully, only their male children to earn a degree without quote, being exposed to teaching that is opposed to a conservative Christian worldview. The internet would be strictly limited in the dugger household because as Michelle would say, the internet has the greatest potential to destroy souls with instant unlimited access

to all sorts of immorality. And you know what? I'm not going to push back on that. It really does. It really does. I'm fairly certain that doing research for this show has destroyed, I would say, between 80 and 90% of my soul by now. Like when I started Time Suck, my soul was reminiscent of Christian bail in the Batman's The Dark Knight, right? Healthy, so fucking strong. A pure soul ready to fight evil forces. Now, oh, not pretty.

My soul is like Christian bail in the machinist. Very weak, very unhealthy, sleep deprived, starving, paranoid and unstable. Now when people see my soul, they're like, who are you sure you okay? You're still not looking so good. When I'm the way the Dugger children would have access to about 75 pre-approved websites, almost all of them, religious sites. If they wanted to research something,

they would have to have an accountability partner sit next to them. Only Michelle and some of the older girls would know the internet protection password. And so they would have to sit with their older sister, or their mom, and make sure that you know I don't know Satan's pop-up ads for single mature sexy ladies in your area looking to hook up Don't show up on the screen. Be get out of here loose a phena

Social media not allowed for any of the dougard children too much sin on those disgusting sites however most of them all are most too much sin on those discussing sites However most of them all are most of them are on various social sites now Jim Bob and Michelle actually joined Instagram in 2013 and Look, I don't mind keeping kids office socials, you know tell a certain age We didn't let our kids have social media accounts until either 8 or 9th grade was a little bit behind their most her friends You know maybe like a year to three years behind most of friends. With the Dugger and similar people, I just find it a bit hypocritical. You know, it'd be like social media is full of the devil's work, but we're a brand and

then we're going to use it to get our message out. Hmm. Seems like if you had a true faith based a version of social media, you should truly stay away from it completely instead of kind of taking a stand against it, but also using it to make money The Dugger Kids also had no or limited access depending on which year of the show we're talking about to search engines Michelle even warned her girls not to read romance novels because quote romance novels are to women what pornography is to men They stir up your emotions with unreal fantasies

Okay, actually don't hate this. I mean both do present pretty unreal fantasies and can make real life seem less than by comparison. So you do have to keep that in mind. Jim Bob Michelle would allow their kids to watch TV, but not much, not many programs, just some special kind of centered channels. For a time earlier in their marriage, before kids, they did watch, you know, TV, but then they met someone through their church author, Dr. Ed Wheat, and he challenged them to keep TV out of the house during the first year of marriage. And, you know, not bad advice. Dr. Wheat, though, that dude overall

was very full of bad advice. See, this good example of the kind of people that they would look at as mentors, Jim Bob Michelle. Dr. Wheat born in 1926, died in 2001 after writing a lot of books, a lot of advice. In 1983, he published a book called How to Save Your Marriage Alone. LA Weekly would do a write-up about this in 2011 after they, or you know, somebody working for LA Weekly found a copy and he used bookstore in Pasadena. And the article about this book was called the World's Satist Self-Help book. And it is pretty sad.

Here are some excerpts. The special advice I have for you will run counter to everything the worldly mind teaches and it will go against your own nature to do it. Red flags. This is terrible advice. Herend terrible advice. Fuck horrendous advice. Totally avoid criticism of your mate, except whatever your partner is doing, whatever, literally whatever,

without comments or histrionics. Do not even suggest a secret disapproval. You must be prepared to respond in a loving way even to a continuing infidelity. Your only option is to become the husband or wife God has commanded you to be in Scripture. God wants you to be a cuck, right? And to apply every principle of behavior from the Word of God to the day-to-day challenges of your situation.

You may well save your marriage, without question you will enjoy God's blessing and favor. You have the opportunity if he is still coming home at least part of the time to show him genuine sweetness with no bitter aftertaste and the gracious stable serenity that only Christ can give. Your behavior can remind him of the continuing joy and dignity remaining as the head of the family in contrast to the social spiritual degradation that Biblity is promised to the man who casts his lot with an adulteress. You catching the message? Doesn't fucking matter what your spouse does. Constantly cheated on you,

maybe bringing home incurable STIs? Don't fucking mention it, don't bring it up. Right, you fucking wear that herpes sort with pride. And since you totally avoid criticism you're made, you shouldn't complain if he hits you. Emotionally abuses you, what, just stay, you just stay. In an abusive degrading situation, no matter what. Cause you're gonna get God's blessing.

Do I have to spell out the domestic fucking horror shows this mentality directly leads to? Anyway, back to the TV. In 1985, the Duggers purchased a TV and felt that they became addicted to it, which I get. I mean, there's so much good shit to watch. If I didn't say busy with work, I would love to be addicted to TV. And little bits and pieces, I just finished the, uh, the fall of the house of Usher on Netflix.

Loved it! Raps it very well. Anyway, they felt they watched so much their marriage suffered. When they did bring it back, they were real selective about what they watched, how much they watched. And later, super selective about what they would allow their kids to watch. They would allow their kids to watch presidential speeches, and other important historical events on TV. Dugger kids not allowed to watch reality TV, unless it was rough cuts of their own show on a computer so the kids wouldn't have to, you know,

possibly see the horribly sinful commercials that provided the monetization of their own fucking show. commercials that provided the monetization of their own fucking show. They looked down on commercials that paid nearly all of their bills and that is, that is the height of hypocrisy. Commercials are disgusting. Let's get rid of them. What? Oh, oh shit, if we did that, the money trade would fall off the tracks. Oh, I see.

Okay, well, we'll keep them. We'll keep them. Hopefully we'll get a lot more of them, but never will my kids watch them. Speaking of disgusting ad dollars, this feels like a great spot for today's first of two mid-show ad breaks. Thank you for listening to our evil sponsors.

Now back to the righteous Duggers. We're talking about Jim Bob and Michelle, not allowing them to watch reality TV unless it was Rough Kets, other on show to avoid the type of commercials you just heard. The Dugger Kids did not care about their Rough Kets though, so they didn't really watch them. They weren't interested in videos of themselves,

which I get. I was never really interested in watching videos of them, either, after seeing a few scenes. Jim Bob and Michelle said on their show that they had four primary goals for their kids. Have a close relationship with God, learn to listen to God's voice and follow his plan, confess their mistakes to God and whoever they have wronged, serve others, and express gratefulness. I don't feel like most of you won't go.

Respect was one of the most important values to our house. Number one, respect God's laws. Number two, respect and be obedient to your parents. Respect your older siblings, almost equally important to respecting your parents. Be obedient to them. This will be problematic later. For example, the duggers allow the older kids to pick their seats in the car first, so the other kids will learn to defer to elders, as deferring to elders.

Yes, we'll get problematic when it comes to sexual predator, Josh Dugger, the oldest fucking Duggered Kid. How did the Duggers get around multiple vans or a large school bus? If the family wanted to go on a trip, they would need about 10 suitcases, which apparently would usually weigh between 400 and 500 pounds, and who would do most of the packing

for a big trip like that while the older girls. I feel like my daughter, Monroe, has no fucking idea how easy her childhood has been she's never packed for anyone but herself She's almost 16 She doesn't cook nearly any of the meals She doesn't do a hearty any of the lottery nothing I failed her Michelle and Jim Bob said that their home was about a lot more than rules They tried to build up their kids through praise, which I do like that mentality. Jim Bob said praise your children 10 times more than you correct them.

The duggers would generally try to avoid praising outward appearance, and instead focus on praising good character, which is very nice. I agree with Jim Bob and Michelle there, that philosophy. Michelle and Jim Bob also preferred to praise character in front of others, but discussed wrong doings privately, which is also nice. They would talk about the consequences of actions, how to fix the situation where you've messed up.

They'd make their kids go back and apologize to whom they hurt, taught their kids to resolve their own conflicts for non-series issues, which is great. A lot of people would think how did Michelle not lose her temper with so many kids running around the house? Well, for starters, she made her older daughters do most of the child rearing. So that's like, you know, one way not to get as mad at your kids if you have someone else

taking care of them. Also she had a daily mantra. She'd wake up each morning and strive to present a quote, pleasant, optimistic demeanor. She also memorized two verses, Proverbs 151. A soft answer turns away wrath and James 120, or the wrath of man worketh not the righteousness of God. And this makes us sound like the Duggers. On the show, we're not big disciplinarians,

which they weren't when the cameras were rolling. Right, cameras never captured strong discipline, but in recent years, the grown Duggard children, some interviewed for the recent Amazon Prime documentary, Shiny Happy People have reported some disturbing acts of punishment, discipline methods taught by the Institute and basic life principles, such as blanket training. This is so fucked. This is so fucked up.

Blanket training is used when children are barely old enough to crawl. And what you do is the baby is laid down on a blanket, a little baby. Toy plays just out of their reach. And you tell the baby, you know, not to not to go for it. And then every time the baby reaches for the toy, you smack them on their hand. Because I'm getting a little painful, smack on their hand. Hard enough to make them recoil. And you just keep doing that until eventually the baby won't try to grab the toy they love. They just lay there passively, just fucking dead in the eyes. Sounds like some kind of North Korean brainwashing. The point of this is to create a child who is completely obedient and passive, a kid who looks to their authority figure to be told what they should do in any given

situation. Multiple Dugor children have said in recent years that they basically lived in constant fear of disappointing God by not being perfectly pure and obedient. They were terrified of conflict, standing up to authority figures, you know, was just a no-no. You know, you don't do that. It would feel like you were upsetting God. And that's a great way to create a kid who, you know, might just quietly accept, say, sexual abuse.

So how do the Duggers' financial supports such a large family before their first show launched in 2004, the first documentary? It was years later after that when they got the 19 kids in county. When Michelle started having babies in rapid succession, her family was very concerned about both her health and her and Jim Bob's ability to take care of so many kids.

Jim Bob Michelle said they were able to take care of their family mostly by living very frugally. They said their family motto is buy used and save the difference. They would buy in bulk, buy used items, buy items at yard sales. Okay, yeah, not a bad plan. Jim Bob also owned multiple businesses, including the used car lot and towing business.

He followed it as mother's footsteps by buying, selling real estate, wrenching out commercial properties. Buggers will also frequently talk about Jim Samons financial freedom Seminar as a reference for a godly view of how to manage debt and money. Jim a board member for the Institute and Basic Life Principles may still be. Seems to be for that world, a fairly decent guy who at least helped out Bill Gothard,

founder of the, you know, IBLP, after a bunch of sexual abuse allegations came to light. Jim Bob Michelle started committing to a debt-free lifestyle in 1990. Duggers would spend about $3,000 a month on groceries, would shop every month at bull grocery stores, then make smaller, weekly grocery trips, typical day of food. At the height of their family, you might consist of three dozen eggs, five pounds of turkey bacon, 20 biscuits, 10 oranges, four pounds of grapes, three loaves of bread, four pounds of sloppy joe meat, three pounds of green beans, three pounds of potatoes, two watermelons, two family sized bags of lettuce, four pounds of spaghetti noodles, three loaves of bread, two pans of brownies,

and a gallon of ice cream, which sounds pretty damn delicious actually. Also regarding family finances, as soon as each kid got married, they would be expected to be completely financially independent. Jim Bob and Michelle spend a lot of time teaching their kids about money, so they'd be prepared for that. Jim Bob would say, we have raised our sons a little differently from our daughters. We provide more financial support for our maturing daughters than we do our sons.

For example, we have provided our older daughters with cars when they get old enough to drive. The boys have to work to earn their money because we want them to feel the pressure of needing to support themselves so that someday they'll be ready to support their families. Cool. You know, so the boys will be taught to be self-reliant and the girls will be raised primarily to be wives who cannot fend for themselves. for light and the girls will be raised primarily to be wives who cannot fend for themselves. We have not done that. We have tried to raise both Kyler and Ro to need no one else to take care of it. And Lucifina gave me a huge thumbs up for that. The Duggers would save money at Christmas by having their kids do a gift exchange with their own money. Jim Bob Michelle would buy each child one gift and we try to focus on the true meaning of Christmas. Jesus' birth.

Now let's talk about the Duggers, how they viewed gender roles. Even though I think we have a pretty good idea already, but let's look further. Jim Bob wrote in their 2009 book, The Duggers 20 Encounning, raising one of America's largest families, how they do it. We believe God made, excuse me.

We believe God made women and men with unique qualities, strengths and weaknesses. Men are not superior to women. I feel like you winked after you wrote that and winked to somebody, I just gotta put it in there. As a matter of fact, we believe women are the most special of all gods,

creations and men should treat them like queens. And that's a really nice thing to say. They probably meant it in some way, but they also raised their daughters to be completely 100% subservient to husbands per IBLP teachings. And that mentality does not always mesh well with being treated like a queen. They can lead to, you know, like a lot of spousal abuse and just a lot of violence in the home and not reporting it because, you know, you have to defer to your husband.

The Duggers taught their boys chivalrous acts like opening doors, carrying heavy objects for women, treating women with respect. Jim Bob and Michelle specifically stated in their book that they are not against women going to college or working. Again, I feel like Jim Bob, we just got put in there. I don't know. It'll just soften the push the kick back. They decided that if Michelle were to work, they would never depend on her money.

So she could stay at home with the children if she wanted all her money, would go into savings. Otherwise, she would stay home and help the children if she wanted all her money would go into savings. Otherwise, she would stay home and help Jim Bob part-time with his business. Jim Bob and Michelle did encourage their daughters to have careers kind of until they have kids. They said, they wrote, once they're married and having babies, we hope they will make their families their number one priority and will stay home to nurture their children. And if that's what you can do, yeah, that's fucking awesome.

Good for you. It's great for the kids. Just interesting that that is not presented as an option for men in their ideology, right? And I say that as someone who is more work focused on my partner, you know, married to someone who has no problem being more home focused. Lindsay and I actually do happen to fall into very traditional roles. My ex-wife though, the opposite, corporate climber, fucking killin' it in the corporate world, my kid stepped out, he stayed at home the past few years. And the kids have thrived in both of those environments

and I'm glad they've seen that difference. The duggers also insist that men romantically interested in their daughters have to ask Jim Bob for permission to court their girls. And then either he, this shit, it's pretty entertaining. Then he or Michelle will be present with them on initial dates, which are not actual dates. They're courtship meetups, old school hard-core

shaperoning, young couple never to be alone together. And not just so they can't have sex, but also so they can't kiss, make out, go on regular dates, anything. As you'll see, this is pretty insane. The Duggers have written about their beliefs on courtship and they're on the website saying, the process of courtship seeks to avoid many of the pitfalls

that often exist anymore self-focused dating relationship. Courtship is a commitment to honor God and one another with purity in your words and actions. The purpose of courtship is to determine if a couple should get married or not. All the children are told that sex is only for married men and women, then girls and girls alone are encouraged to wear a purity ring to let any potential suitors know that they're not damaged goods right? They have fresh clean puts, not some old fucking nasty sack of pus meat looks like somebody's a Arby's roast beef sandwich that they ate half of and then forgot the other half and left it on the counter for a couple days now sluk

a little rancid little sketch. Not really kidding about this. Jima also teach the kids the following horrific lesson. I read this to Lindsay when I was working on this and she was like, what are you serious? Here's the lesson he would give the kids. He would say, imagine that your parents are going to surprise you and give you a brand new bike for Christmas.

Two weeks before Christmas, they buy your bike and hide it. But then the boy next door, sneaks into the shed and bars your new bike. He stunt rides it up and down the back alley. On Christmas morning, your parents lead you out to the shed and reveal a special gift they bought for you. You're all shocked to see that the bike looks like it's been thrown off a cliff.

It looks worse than something you would have bought at a garage sale. I'm sure you would still be grateful for the bike and you would still have fun riding it, but it won't mean the condition your parents had hoped and dreamed it would be when you received it. And that's the same way we don't want any boy or girl to come and steal your purity. Holy shit. Well, uh, well, hello, diddley dude. Kid, I was talking about your purity. Uh, girls, think of your bodies as being bicycles and think about your future husband, want a shining new bike to ride on his wedding night.

But he won't get that if you've been letting every Tom Dick and Harry from the neighborhood hop on your bike and jump it off of curves and ramps and half pipes and stuff. And now your handle breasts are all grimy from all those fellas holding on for their life and your seat holes all worn out and dry and cracked like it's been laying out in the sun

to junkyard for weeks. You know, who wants to ride that bike? All your value is in your poslase. The rest of you doesn't fucking matter. Right, that's the basic, just that message. Now let's talk about actual dating. The duggers don't believe in any real dating until after marriage, like to the point that like, you don't go to dinners and movies with someone you're romantically interested in

alone until after you're already married. And since you consummate your marriage on your wedding night, you go from not having kissed someone or have been on a regular date with him ever to fucking them and immediately trying to get pregnant and then living with them and being responsible for providing for them or handling all the domestic duties, doing whatever your husband wants

and just like a matter of a few hours. The duggers raise their kids, and I imagine it still raised them to believe that there are seven phases to a godly relationship, waiting, evaluating, considering, pre-engagement, engagement, marriage, then dating. That's the last one. This is fucking crazy.

During the waiting phase, boys and girls should focus on developing the relationship with God instead of shallow relationships with others. God will bring your husband or wife into your life from the times right and the evaluating phase. You should write out a list of positive and negative character qualities that you want or don't in a spouse and a considering phase. You compare your potential partner to a list and pray about it to the list you've made and pray then decide if you want to pursue a relationship men are expected to approach the father first to discuss the courtship Jim Bob would make potential male suitors for his daughters fill out a 423 item questionnaire to decide if they were suitable to court his daughters

Derek Dillard is confirmed he had to take a questionnaire before courting Jill Duggor and here are some of the questions Question 50 how many times have you read through the your Bible? 66 describe your relationship with your father. Was it honoring? Was it obedient? 67 is your father having medical or mental problems? I could affect you or your children 119 what are your views on women working outside the home 125 what is your stand on abortion? What about in the case of rape? 140 is there ever a cause for divorce? No, sir Bob gym Bob as taught by the Institute and basic life principles Even if you beat the ever loving shit out of your wife every day. She's a stay with you because marriage is forever it's sacred

It's for better or ask whooping worse Because marriages forever it's sacred It's for better or ask whooping worse The pre-engagement phase is when the courtship actually begins the couple in both their families aside Just like in cultures with the range marriages or in the in this culture and in the days of your the good old days They're a good match then they begin courting and working towards engagement All initial dates, but not really dates just supervise visits kind of like hanging out with someone in prison Who doesn't have conjugal rights, our shop run by a family member.

These dates have very strict rules, complete, total supervision. No kissing, until the wedding day. Minimal, hand holding, and minimal hugging. Speaking of hugs, this is my favorite part about this. Absolutely no front hugs. No front hugging. Don't you push your chest on my darlin' titties. Gosh darn it. Don't you push your chest on my daughter titties?

Gosh darn it. Don't you let your devil prick give within a few inches of her sin plus don't you do foul her bicycle making unrideable One of the older daughter's jessa accorded Ben C walled now her husband Ben lived four hours away had to ask permission from Jim Bob to even text jessa and then Jim Bob, but only in the condition that he and Michelle were part of a group threat. Jim Bob and Michelle didn't usually text anything, just monitored. One time they chained in when Ben told Jessa to give him a ring when she had time.

And Jim Bob responded, no rings yet, smiley face, easy tiger. So I'm trying to talk to my daughter, your court and for marriage on the phone, and word fuck her virgin earholes. So I'm trying to talk to my daughter, your court and for marriage on the phone and word fuck her virgin earholes. So I'm trying to break her dirty talk hymen. Eventually, Jessica and Ben would be allowed to talk on the phone for one hour each night

with Jim Bob and Michelle listening, of course. Jim Bob and Michelle always recommended a short engagement phase to avoid temptation to kiss or front hug. You gotta be, you do have to be careful those front hugs. They are the gateway to dry hump. Nothing will secretly wear down and rust up a sex bike, like too much dry hump. After that short engagement phase, the happy couple can then finally get married and go on real dates when they wanted to buy themselves.

They can even have whatever kind of sex they wanted, except oral or anal or just using hands or titty fucking or foot fetish stuff or pulling out to ejaculate or almost anything. None of that is for proxies. You can't just do it. They can even have whatever kind of sex they wanted except oral or anal or just using hands or titty fucking or foot fetish stuff or pulling out to Jackulate or almost anything. None of that is for procreation. So it's sinful disgusting. You should care around a lot of guilt and shame for even thinking about it. To make sure his daughter didn't engage in the wrong kind of sex for the first six months of marriage, Jim Bob would watch his daughter's fucking occasionally correct uncouth behavior. Who well did we do?

Ron, hold hold there buddy. Careful, careful. Watch your hands. Ignore the little bald man at the boat. The clitoris is called the devil's doorbell for a reason. Has nothing to do with making boat deadly babies. This isn't about pleasure. It's about pro-diddly creation.

I realize that has nothing. That sounds nice like dead planters. Sometimes when they were doing all right, he would cheer on his son-in-law's. Oh yeah. Yes, Jesus, diddly loves you. He wants you to come diddly dumb. Jim Bob didn't watch, of course.

I'm being ridiculous. Josh maybe did, but not Jim Bob. In addition to court, champ, there are many rules of daily life that the dougard children were expected to follow. Their days were again, I have to think, probably still are, heavily regimented so many rules. For example, strict rules for clothing, everyone boy or girl must be covered from shoulders to

knees that includes swimwear. Jim, he kind of love that swimwear. Those swim suits for the girls that go down to their knees. Jim Bob Michelle would reference Exodus 2842, linen breaches to cover their nakedness from the loins even unto the thighs, they shall reach. Okay? Where did they didn't stone it, stone anyone though, right? They got, they followed a lot of these very literally, but not the stoning part. Girls were also required to wear dresses and not jeans based on Deuteronomy, 225.

The woman shall not wear that, which pertains unto a man, neither shall a a man put on a woman's garment The Dougher's wrote in their book we believe that a man's physical drives are excited by what he sees and it is Defrodding for a woman to wear clothing that accents her body Instead of bringing attention to her consonants stop be frodding us ladies Put a long dress over your yoga pants already come on Shouldn't be able to see the outside of your labia. I'm standing in line for coffee. You're defrauding me You're making me want to front hug some woman who's not my wife

Also, it's painful boners very painful for me now Considering the recent string of absolutely true mishaps that left me with 135 degree angle bone Also the doggers were Head all times to avoid inappropriate TV music no drums images and just avoid people being inappropriate when they'd be out in public and someone Was spotted who would say scantily clad You know like you could see above their knees. They would actually say the code word Nike Which would signal to all the boys to drop their eyes. Oh my gosh, and yeah, that would it that would even include something like you know Seen a lady out about in yoga pants or worse. Whoo volleyball shorts. Yeah Like as a ducker boys would have been taken to a high school volleyball game

They would have been expected to stare at the floor the entire time and Possibly plug their ears not shitting if people them started to curse, you know, talk about evolution or something. Michelle and Jim Bob would follow a lot of extra rules themselves, like old testament law for when to resume sex after childbirth. They would wait 40 days after a boy and 80 days after a girl. You gotta wait twice as long after girls because how gross and evil their vaginas are right? I mean one vagina coming out of another vagina That's Satan that's Satan in a nutshell They taught their children to never get tattoos or piercines drink alcohol or watch TV without permission

Now look a little further into their religious beliefs. Where the fuck is all this crazy coming from? The Dugger family identifies as independent Baptist Independent Baptist known as independent fundamentalist Baptist, Christian congregations that hold conservative fundamentalist values and beliefs, but beliefs that adhere or that's giving me that vary from church to church sometimes quite a bit. They won't follow just like a group. These independent, you know, the independent means. They don't believe in church autonomy, don't join with affiliated Baptist nominations. This movement began in the US and UK in late 19th

and early 20th centuries amongst Baptist congregations, concerned about ideas in the church that they felt were too liberal and modern. Like women wearing pants and church music having drum. The drum thing actually is true. I'll talk about it later in this episode, but I wanna say now, I'm pretty sure that Jim Bob took

his family from one church to another because he was disgusted by the drumming, Christmas, fucking sermon. And he was like, we're out, we're out. Ah, see the kids moving around those drums. Not on my watch. Okay, independent Baptist estimated to take up roughly 2.5% of the US adult population,

which might not sound like much at first, but that's over 8 million people. Over 8 million people who listen to some version of this and think, no, that sounds right. Independent Baptist believe in biblical authority, the priesthood of all believers, many independent Baptist only read the King James version of the Bible because the KJV literally translated word for word from the Hebrew and Latin versions of the Bible. So seen as the most pure, even though it already been translated several times before that. A lot of independent Baptists, Dougers included do not believe in evolution.

Also men always the head of the household women to be submissive to their husbands and fathers. As I've said, submit. Okay, ladies, let's write just patriots, we're fucking tired of this ass, especially in my house. Where Lindsay is still not worked on her subservience, I'm probably gonna have to stoner, not like a full stoning, maybe like a quarter stoning. Just a couple of rocks, you know, tossed at her, just to remind her of what can happen

to a willful lady. Because these beliefs and doggers have court of some controversy over the years by supporting some Uber conservative Christian organizations while their show was on the air, they got, took some heat over their support of focus on the family. And I think this group is actually pretty tame compared to the Institute and basic life principles.

But let's look at a bit at them. Focus on the family's website description reads, focus on the family is a global Christian ministry dedicated to helping families thrive. We provide help and resources for couples to build healthy marriages that reflect God's design. And for parents to raise their children according to morals and values grounded in biblical principles.

We support families as they teach their children about God and his beautiful design for the family, protect themselves from the harmful influences of culture and equip themselves to make a greater difference in the lives of those around them. FOTF has six pillars. One preeminence of evangelism, the purpose of life is to know and glorify God. Two, permanence of marriage.

Marriage is a lifelong relationship enduring through trial, sickness, financial crises, and emotional stresses. Three, value of children. Children are a blessing from God. Four, sanctity of human life, human life starts a conception. Five, don't treat your posts like an old bike. The spin run around the back alley, jumped off the ramps and wrecked into dumpsters and shit.

Real number five, social responsibility. Family, church and the government are for the benefit of mankind and Christians are called to influence these institutions based on God's design. Six value of male and female men and women are unique. Sexuality is reserved for marriage only. FOTF also offers, and this is super kind and thoughtful of them. Several resources for people quote struggling with homosexuality.

They encourage people to reach out to one of their Christian counselors. Writing on their website, we understand that feeling is difficult, if not impossible to control. Fortunately, the same thing can't be said about actions. Shut out all that political noise on the subject and take a close and careful look at your options. Remember that gay is just an artificial construct, a word that means what other people say it means. Wow, the mental fucking gymnastics of this. We'd encourage you to not allow yourself to get locked into that category. Yeah, gave me sex. Stop locking yourself up into it in a made up cage.

Everyone knows that you're actually attracted to members of the opposite sex, but you just play with the generals of the opposite sex, but you just play with the genitals of the same sex, which you find repulsive, actually, only to piss off the rest of us and fuck with God, right? Gay male time suckers, why don't you listen up? Stop thinking about dick, knock it off. Every time you start to think about dick,

especially hard dick, touching your lips or tongue or what not. I want you to yell out, not today, Satan. I want you to start chanting, I love pus. Puss is the best, you to yell out, not today, Satan. I want you to start channing, I love pus. Puss is the best, dicks are gross. Glory be to God. Now, lady gay suckers, you listen up. Stop takin' your fuckin' bikes

and slamming them into other bikes and back alleys. Stop thinkin' about pus. Don't even think about your own. If that devil pus wants you to say rub that clint around in a circular motion at a steady rhythm, steadily building in pace while another lady lover sucks at your nipples, maybe also pushes her warm wet pussy down on your face gently, but pretty firmly scream out. I say you say not today, and then punch her pussy and then punch your own pussy, but not in a fun way. Then grab a dildo,

and then you know not ideal, but better than alternative, push it in out of your vagina. Well, you can't, I wish this was my husband's peanuts. I wish I had his baby in my belly. I wish that man could tell me what to do. Focus on the family is aggressively homophobic. FOTF president Jim daily is suggested that allowing gay marriage will literally destroy society. Right?

It'd be fucking everything will be on fire. Soon we allow gay marriage. Organization members have referred to the children of same sex couples as human guinea pigs. FOTF raised over $500 million in the first decade of the 2000s, making them for a time one of the most well-funded anti-LGBT organizations in the country, if not the world. FOTF even promotes conversion therapy.

They oppose same sex adoption. They believe being gay or transgender is a mental illness. They've also accused anti-bullying programs in schools or promoting homosexuality and reverse discrimination. FOTF believes that employers should be allowed to reject LGBT job candidates and business owners should have the right to turn away LGBT customers. Circling back to conversion therapy, 20 states in the US and various counties of other states have banned its use for minors, because it's very damaging.

The UN defines conversion therapy as an umbrella term for interventions of a wide-ranging nature based on the belief that a person's sexual orientation and gender identity can and should or can be changed or suppressed and aimed at changing them to heterosexual or cisgender. This practice has been deemed harmful and very ineffective by legal, medical, and psychological excerpts, experts, excuse me, but still folks on the family provides a list of counselors offering to treat homosexuality issues and gender identity issues, code words for conversion therapy.

Okay, now that we have a real feel for the duggers, let's learn a bit about their rise and fall. Right? The big dark secret that led them to the lost their show also learn more about the very troubling Institute and basic life principles. We've just touched the tip of the iceberg in today's timeline. Right after today's second mid show, Spont to break, if you don't want to hear these ads, we are now offering ad-free episodes of TimeSlook on Patreon. If you'd like to be a space-lathered for five bucks a month. And I'm back.

And now time for a real righteous timeline. Shrap on those boots, soldier. We're marching down a time-sub timeline. on the subject time line. The the the the the the the July 18th 1965 James Robert Jim Bob the July 18th 1965 James Robert

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Jim Bob's parents were Jimmy Lee Dugger and Mary Dugger. Mary and James got married in November of 1960. Jim Bob has one sister named Diana, who is four years older than he. The two have been estranged for many years. Diana feels that Jim Bob is a liar and a manipulator. Someone whose public image does not match his private one. She posted on social media earlier this year regarding her brother.

You may tell the greatest lies and where a brilliant disguise, but you can't escape the eyes of the one who sees right through you. So interesting. There's one who sees right through you. So interesting. There's one sibling thinks that of him. Their parents Mary and James Lee worked as real estate brokers until their retirement. James died on February 9th, 2009, a brain cancer, 73 years old Mary unexpectedly passed June 9th, 2019 at the age 78. She slipped and drowned in the pool at her house in Springdale.

Jim Bob didn't have a pool growing up. He grew up in a poor family. He used to use that to try and inspire his own kids to work hard later in life. He wrote in his book about a time when his family had no food except for a decorative jar of rice. And his mom had to cook that rice just so they could have something to eat that night. Jim Bob shouted at home for clothes when he was in middle school. His parents had to move into a rental. Luckily a year later, they turned their finances around by the house. Then they learned about a developer who wanted to build a hotel in the area. Sold to make a land between the house and highway to them,

then use the proceeds to build rental properties next door. And the family was fine after that, not rich, but stable. And Jim Bob was sold on wanting to also work in real estate. Jim Bob will write about how he struggled in school. He was a slow test taker, a bad reader, didn't get the best grades, also terrified of public speaking. For the duration of his show, he would view nighttime Bible time with his family as a way to improve his reading and speaking skills. When Jim Bob was seven, he told his mom he wanted to become Christian. They went down to a revival in Fadeville. His mom took into a pastor.

Jim Bob and the pastor prayed together. When the pastor asked Jim Bob, he felt different. He said, no, felt embarrassed. So they prayed again. Jim Bob still didn't feel any different. But now lied to the pastor, which led to doubts later about religion when he was a teen. And then he prayed for more answers and decided to commit his life to Christ.

On September 13th, 1966, Michelle and net Ruark born in Tony Town, Arkansas just outside Springdale. I can bump up against basically. 4,000 people there now only 300 to 1966. Her parents were Ethel and Garrett Ruark. Garrett Floyd Ruark born December 7th, 1924 in Firebriot, Kentucky. It's a pretty cool town name. Lived until June 18th, 2010.

He was an Army veteran of World War II where he earned a Purple Heart for a service. Badass. Ethel Marie Harden born February 19th, 1927, died August 11th, 1991. Couple originally from Ohio. They married in 1943, had seven kids. Michelle became a Christian at the age of 15 when a friend told her that God hated her fucking guts I mean could forgive her sins Michelle has admitted that she became a Christian before excuse me before she became a Christian she did like to and I hope you sit down for this

Flirt with boys Seriously, I literally passed out from shock the first time I read how could she She could have easily permanently ruined her bike She was a teenager. She later admitted that she sometimes liked it when boys checked her out as in Sexually when they would see some of her lady skin including upper thigh. Yes She would think about how fun it might be to make out with them and stuff She would even give out front hugs, all fucking willing nilly. She was even, and she will truly regret this later in her pain actually, a cheerleader

in high school, a frickin cheerleader, like the kind who would wear short skirts and fly up into the air and a man without anyone watching to see a lot of her lady skin, probably less than six inches away from her vagina and buttocks. And she would admit, even when it was not game day, even when she was not wearing her cheerleading outfits, she would sometimes also wear other skirts and tank tops. Lucie Fina called out to her and a great risk to her immortal soul.

She answered, but then thankfully Michelle changed her life. Got away from all that trash. She became a Christian, no more cheerleading, no more skirts, no more cleavage, no thanks, Satan. So how did you end up meet Michelle? When we walked past her one day when she was wailing outside the school,

we're in a full body fucking snow suit on a warm spring day, gloves, hat, only exposed skin being just a little bit of her face and she was crying out, is this too much, Lord? Is this still too much of my dirty sin skin? To be worth your love is my bike clean enough for heaven? And when Jeb, Jeb, I saw her anguish and torment, her self-loathing and fear and confusion.

He was greatly aroused. And he called out to her, woman, thou art lost, for you have no righteous man to submit to. Allow me to lead you to thy Lord. But first, let me sing you the only song you will ever need to find strength. To have been the devil. Or maybe all that only happened in my mind. In a real life gym Bob went out on a Tuesday night church for the taste of his friend Fred

Perro. They had three cards full of names of people that were supposed to visit. People like myself who might need some spiritual guidance, but then no one answered their doors. I'm guessing a lot of those people were home, but we're just hiding. Oh, fucking great. Those weirdos are back. This is what I get for letting them talk to me and they give them our address when they

cornered me outside the grocery store to chat me about some pamphlet. I was trying to be nice. Jim Bob and Fred after reaching no one prayed about who they should visit next and Fred had his prayer answered and said, Hey, I know a girl that just became Christian and she's a cheerleader. And she's like, Are you fucking shitty me? Now he said, Let's go and see her. I bet he did. I bet he wanted to see her real quick cheerleader, not some old widow or weird guy who lives alone. They went to the Ruhrer house, sat with Michelle in her living room, Jim Bob was shy.

So Fred talked most of the time. Jim Bob thought Michelle was beautiful, but he was too intimidated to say anything to her. Probably just continually pray quietly, asking God for strength to fight off the devil, who is making him think about sins of the flesh, about fully clothed front hugs. Jim Bob was successful that day, not in talking to Michelle, but in resisting lustful temptation.

They don't talk for about a year. Let Michelle get the job at a yogurt shop, managed by Jim Bob's mom. Jim Bob came to that shop and helped out with repairs one day, met her again, went in the back, fuck some yogurt, came, but no. He worked up enough courage to talk to Michelle and then he submitted her. Glorious subservience. Jemba was going to uh, go to a technical school and little rocks learn how to repair computers, but after he fell in love, he was like, frick that and he stayed in Springdale, dropped out.

Uh, December of 1983, Jemba purchased a $350 ring, asked Michelle's father for permission to marry her. May I submit your doff to a new place you, sir, as her rightful load and master do with her as I wish forever. Amen. Like, what the fuck you say, Jim Bob? Oh, man, man, please marry your daughter, sir. December 24th, 1983, Jim Bob proposes to Michelle. She happily accepts March of 1984, Mr. Rourke. It's a new job, though, out of state.

Michelle is going to have to move to North Carolina with the fam. As soon as she finishes high school in May, Jim Bob is devastated. So, he asked Michelle's dad for permission to marry her more quickly. That's summer. He sells Michelle's dad on the idea by telling him that he worked at a grocery store, had a real estate license. He was gonna buy a house. He loved Michelle. He would provide for her. Mr. Ruarch initially still not sure Apparently they were both in tears during this conversation about who should own Michelle and then finally Jim Bob begged Mr. Ruarch

I love your daughter. I really believe I can provide for her and take care of her And I don't want to see her move away to North Carolina Michelle's mother finally intervened and said Garrett just like the little boy married the girl And so they went back to the cage where Michelle was locked in and they fucking drug that cage out and then they let her walk into a different cage that Jim Bob owned. Or something.

July 21st, 1984, Michelle and Jim Bob were married. This was three months after Michelle graduated high school, three days after Jim Bob's 19th birthday. Michelle's 17, she'll turn 18 later that year. So almost two old, really. I mean, for Jim Bob, you know. The couple got married in the hallway of a big gymnasium because their church was under construction at the time.

There was lines of folding chairs for pews. Michelle did a lot of DIY projects to save money. Made a bouquet of fake flowers, wore Jim Bob's mother's wedding dress. That is pretty cute. Duggers went into cabinet and mountain nebo Arkansas for the honeymoon. They returned home to the 1919,000, $900 square foot,

fixer up or gym bob had bought. That blows me away. $19,000. Dubai house. This wasn't that long ago. You could buy a house for $19,000. They spent the rest of their honeymoon fixing up the house.

This house would also become the sales office for Jim Bob's car dealership. Michelle wrote, there were no doors on our kitchen cabinets and the place needed a lot of work. That was okay. We were living in love and it was so exciting. Adorable, actually. Michelle was on birth control when she and Jim Bob got married. They decided they wanted to wait a bit to have kids. Good decision. Very good, right? Try and get some stability financially before bringing a child into the world. Jim Bob started selling used cars from his front yard.

I'm sure his neighbors fucking love that. All while keeping his job with the grocery store. Michelle ran the office during the day while Jim Bob was at the grocery store. Eventually they moved into a smaller house on a busy road so they could advertise their cars better. Excuse me, Jim Bob and Michelle sold life insurance for a while. Jim Bob left the grocery store

and then started to towing service in addition to that used car lot. I do love the grind. I love the hustle. Throwing shit against the wall. See what sticks. March 3rd, 1988, three years into their marriage, Michelle gives birth to her first child, Joshua.

Rumor is, Josh may have fondled his mom's vagina on the way out. It's a rumor that I started. Afterwards, Michelle decides to go back on birth control because she didn't think that'll make that joke will make sense later if you're very confused. Michelle decided to go back on birth control because she didn't think they were ready for more children, right? Pretty responsible decision. But then she got pregnant while on the pill, miscarried in her first trimester and her doctor told her her miscarriage most likely caused by the pill. And Michelle and Jim Bob are devastated. And they decide to seek out a good marriage counselor with a focus on grief to figure out a process to trauma. Deal with the intense emotions. No, JK, they read the Bible as a source of comfort and seek counseling, but or excuse me,

and do not seek counseling. They're reminded that children are blessing from God. They feel ashamed themselves. They repent. They ask for forgiveness for not desiring more children. They pray, please let us have as many children as you want us to have got and Holy shoot would God hear those prayers and answer God was so mad at Michelle for taking that birth control He decided to absolutely destroy her place He decided to take her bicycle fucking jump it off 19 huge ramps and counting and then just fucking throw it into the grand canyon 1997 Jim Bob feels like God put it on his heart

to run for a seat in the state legislature. They now have eight kids, ninth on the way. He writes in his book, it was a ridiculous idea because no one of my family had ever had any political aspirations or connections. And I was terrified of public speaking. Michelle was just as surprised when I told her about the idea.

One day, Jim Bob was listened to a Christian radio station. Heard that Christian and the Arkansas legislature were planning a rally to ban partial birth abortion. Michelle and Jim Bob were already going to a little rock for child's appointment. They decided to swing by the rally. Jim Bob wrote more than 2000 people showed up in front of the Capitol, begging the senators and representatives to pass this ban. Instead, they voted it down. I didn't hear any audible voices or singing lightning bolts from heaven that day But I felt God speaking to my heart telling me to run for state representative My only credentials were that I could vote the right way on life and death issues and I could probably encourage others to vote the right way

1998 Jim Bob and shelling some other kids campaign around springdale they knock on doors driving par driving parades, hold barbecues, pass out flyers, to spread Jim Bob's conservative message. And then Jim Bob is shocked, or excuse me, he shocks a lot of people. When he wins a seat in the Arkansas House Representatives, District six. From January 11th, 1999 to January 13th, 2003, Jim Bob Dugger serves in the Arkansas House

Representatives for District six, two terms. He will also serve as vice chair of the House Connections and Criminal Law subcommittee and he participates in the House Insurance and Commerce Committee and the House Judiciary Committee. Next, Jim Bob felt that God was telling him to be more humble though after these two terms and that God wanted him to work as a grade school custodian. Also, God told him to try and reach Arkansas's most sinful population. And then in order to do so, he should work the graveyard shifts at a porn shop next to a truck stop.

So being a humble servant, he does just that. Holy, diddly dildos. Kidding of course. Funny me how God sure seems to tell a lot of people to do what they already clearly wanted to do. And that's what happens here. Jim Bob now feels like God wants him to run for a seat in the US Senate.

He runs against an incumbent. It has no party support only God's blessing in his mind. He now has 14 kids and counting. His family helps him campaign during the primary. They hold rallies all over the state. They spend $110,000 of their own money from a property sale. And then in April of 2002, Jim Bob Duggar or Duggar loses badly. To incumbent state Senator Tim Hutchinson in the

primaries, he received only 22% of his party's votes. And the next time he prayed, God was like, got your sucker. Oh, let it be known that the guy has a great sense of humor. I mean, I really had to go and did not to look on your face when the vote tolls were announced. Priceless. You a senator. Now, I see now I see you more in the reality TV freak show space. Jim Bob's platform included the stance that rape and incest represent heinous crimes. And as such, should be treated as capital crimes. And this is interesting to know about him

that incest should be treated as a capital crime as in people get the death penalty for it, considering what will happen later and what he will cover up. I'll be honest, if I was, you know, vote in Arkansas and he was saying that, I would be intrigued. You may have just got my vote, good, sir.

Go on, more death talk, please. I'm in favor. Jemba would hold the stands publicly, while hiding already the crimes of his own and sestuous child, more on that later. Jemba opposed abortions supported probation of partial birth abortion wanted to increase funding for higher education in K through 12, but decrease environmental and welfare funding. He supported increasing funding for state prisons,

supported the death penalty, penalties besides incarceration for nonviolent offenders, supported informing communities when the sex offender moves in. Jim Bob also supported prosecuting youth accused of certain felonies as adults. Also interesting to know considering what one of his kids will do. Jim Bob supported voluntary prayer in schools and posting the 10 commandments in schools. Wanted e-state restrictions on gun sale and possession allow concealed carry. Voted that assisted suicide should be illegal. Sexual orientation should not be part of anti-discrimination laws and sex marriage should be banned.

Following the law, Jim Bob initially was confused, but then decided it was still all part of God's plan. If you feel like Jim Bob isn't good at figuring out what God is planning. If you feel that God's plan for him was to be a US senator, and then immediately, after getting his fucking ass kicked and losing badly, still thinks everything is a going according to plan. I'm not sure Jim Bob has a solid grasp of what the word plan means. Jim Bob wrote following his guidance. I had run for the Senate and lost, but soon we saw obeying him. It led us to that position where we could share our faith from a much bigger platform,

bigger. In fact, we could have ever imagined all part of the plan. No matter what happens, it's part of the plan. April 15th, 2002, the New York Times posts an article discussing the large, dugger family and Jim Bob's campaign. Jim Bob didn't even know about the article at first because he was and still is completely illiterate. No, he can read. He and Michelle just didn't read the New York Times. If you later received a call from New York freelancer asking to do a story on their family, they agreed to do an interview and then the story would run in Penn House. I mean, parents magazine. And then I only know Neil CEO of Discovery Health read that article and their life was really about to change.

Jim Bob and Michelle soon received a call from Bill Hayes with figure eight films. He told him the Discovery Health Channel execs read the article wanted to do a documentary on the logistics of raising 14 kids. Jim Bob and Michelle didn't watch broadcast TV at that time. I mean, with all the lady skin being casually and carnaly displayed with all the unmarried unshaparoned front hugs, how could they? They didn't notice Gary Health was a TV channel. Jim Bob Michelle decided to agree to the doc feeling it would be a good opportunity to share

their beliefs. They agreed on the condition that anything they said about their faith would be included in the documentary. Discovery Health agreed to those terms and soon Bill Hayes had a film crew in Arkansas. September of 2004, the dougars appeared in the Discovery Health doc titled 14 Children and Pregnant Again, 43 Minute Documentary Special. That's how I'll start it. First appearance on National TV. According to Jim Bob, their documentary got the most views of any show in the history of discovery health. Feedback from viewers extremely positive. Dougher's now filmed a few more docs

for discovery health over the next few years. Get some more rating home runs and the networks parent company now asked to do a weekly reality series. Jim Bob and Michelle supposed to even know what reality TV was. But again, they agreed to decide it would be a good opportunity to spread their ministry,

and eventually they could deal with TLC to film their now famous show. Around this time, before they got the TLC show, right after the first doc, they felt like they were outgrowing their home. So they decided to build a new house for the family. 2006, the Dugger family moved from their 900 square feet home into a 7,000 square feet mansion.

In Tony Town, Arkansas, holy shit, that doesn't upgrade. House took a year and a half to complete and supposedly a mix up with the builder led to them getting triple the amount of supplies they needed. And that's why they ended up with the big house, right? They ended up getting a house three times as big as they planned, right? Otherwise, they would have been much more modest.

And I'm gonna call a bullshit on this claim. I was raised in the world of construction. My pastor, Grandpa Grandpa Bill, he was a contractor for most of his life, Carpenter. Most of my dad's brothers, my dad himself, worked as contractors slash carpenters, most of their lives. My grandpa worked also worked in construction

last 10 to 20 years of his working life as a carpenter. I've heard a lot of talk about bids and jobs. Worked on quite a few projects myself have never ever heard of anyone getting three times the supplies they needed and not be charged three times as much. This feels phony as fuck. Oh gosh dang, you said you wanted a 2300 square foot home.

Oh man, I heard you say 7,000 square feet. I have all the supplies here for 7,000 square feet. And you know, since it's my bad, I guess you can have all them for free. Get out of here. The new house had a massive industrial kitchen plus another regular kitchen, girls room, boys room, play room, homeschool room, livid area, tons of bedrooms, large garage, and some of the painting decorating, furnishing appliances, other finishing touches, such as a stock pantry provided by discovery networks and core sponsors.

As part of the one hour television special entitled 16 Children and Moving In. The network also helped find contractors to work for free. This would become their new home regularly later featured on their TV show and I think what they still live today. December 7th, 2006, Dougers scheduled for an interview with the Oprah Winfrey show until the staff receives an anonymous email about molestation accusations. The email said that someone in the Douger family molested another family member

while they were sleeping and that Jim Bob quote lies to his church and his friends to make him look good. The police later determined that the center was a 61-year-old woman from Rogers, Arkansas, but they did not identify her. Here is the full email. Topic question. Message? Before you air the Dugor family from Arkansas with Blank, you need to know the truth. They are not what they seem to be. Blank has molested Blank while Blank were sleeping, and the parents have been hiding

the secret for a long time. Jim Bob lies to his church and his friends to make him look good. At this moment, he is in trouble with the church for lying about blank and things that concern the way the church members reacted. I think that you should know the truth before you make, before they make a complete full of you and your show. They have been on TV before and come across as a perfect family, which couldn't be further from the truth. They jump from show to show to receive gifts for their family to make them look really good too. Please consider this and confront them about their secret.

Oprah's staff doing a bit more digging, canceled the interview. Even though Oprah's Harper or Harper Studios had already flown the family to Chicago, and then the studio faxes the email to the Department of Human Services hotline, that same month, the Arkansas police interviewed Jim Bob and Michelle to follow up on this tip. According to the Northwest Arkansas Democrat

Gazette, 2000, 2015, there was an article that said, the time in which charges should be filed expired before springdale police received an anonymous tip. It was discovered that police didn't take any action besides making an official report. Also, sure seems as we will learn soon that Jim Bob lied a bunch to cover up the real nature of the crime's reference in the email. More details, excuse me about all this, will be revealed in 2015 and we will reach that point in the timeline here very soon. 2008 TLC began airing the brand new reality TV series in the Dugor family, 17 kids in county. It'll change to 18 then 19 kids and counting

At the time family reality shows were doing well on TLC the Duggers were an instant hit actually they became TLC's most popular show ever And it's height over three million people tuned in every episode People were fasting with how different their lives were from mainstream America Of course, there were those who hated the show and questioned the family's values. They did get some hate mail for sure, but overall support far outweighed criticism. They also had to deal with shady people, figuring out where they live though. They allowed one woman to visit them in their home, hoping to encourage her towards Christianity. They thought the visit went well, nothing was a miss.

But then a few weeks later, another viewer emailed them, said, Ginger's Diary was being sold on eBay for $100,000. That is fucked up. Lady stole one of their kids' diaries and was going to release it publicly. Sure enough, Michelle checked saw that the diary is being sold from their visitors home city. In front of the woman about it said that she forgave her, but if she didn't return that diary, they were going to have to take legal action. Another time a reporter came to the house when Jim Bob and Michelle were not home. Some of the older girls let her inside. She took pictures. Jim Bob and Michelle were upset. Told her she didn't have permission to release those photos. The reporter told

them she was going to do it anyway. Also interviewed Jim Bob and Michelle's high school classmates and the reporter posted a story titled The Great Cover Up. She wrote about how Michelle used to mow the lawn in her bikini and she was in high school. This was before she became, you know, Christian, started dressing more modestly. And this was meant to be a big scandal, but Michelle admitted to doing it and the show on the show and then they laughed about it. And that is, you know, fucked up this person trying to make that a scandal. A Duggers eventually had to install a security gate to protect their privacy. December 4, 2009, Michelle experienced severe chest pain while an Australian film crew was at the house. She was 24 weeks pregnant with her 19th child, Josie.

Meanwhile, excuse me, Michelle went to the hospital at the end of the day and doctors found a gallstone the size of a marble said she possibly had kidney stones. Michelle had to spend the night at the hospital. She started having contractions, contractions continued. Doctors informed her they may have to deliver the baby early, transferred Michelle to Little Rock, Jim Bob went home to tell the family and pick up his oldest daughter,

Jana, told his kids there was a chance both Michelle and the baby could die. Michelle's condition did get progressively worse as the days passed. Sadly, I bet the people working on the show were excited about this, right? Maybe thought about how good for ratings it would be if Michelle did die.

And Jim Bob now had to struggle with how to figure out how to raise the rest of the kids alone and court some new woman then get married, right? So much drama. So good for ratings. I worked on a variety of reality shows as a producer for several years and can 100% see this happening. I did work with some great people, but also some real soulless producers who care, you know, way more about ratings and money than about any harm the show may cause anyone. December 10th, 2009, Josie Dugger, Dugger, child number 19 born at 24 weeks, weight just 22 ounces when she was born.

Jim Bob, Michelle had to wait 45 days to hold her. She'll have no idea she wouldn't go home for another seven months due to the fragile state of her health. Tire family moves into a rental home in Little Rock, so they can be together. Josie and Michelle finally return to Springdale June 21, 2010 after numerous health scares and some near death experiences for a little Josie. After this, they continue on with their show, fans love them even more, more than ever, you know, due to how they've overcome this struggle, you know, how the family rallied together and the couple publishes their second book. For the next six years, things will go real well for the duggers, right? Radiance

go up, family makes more money. Then finally in 2015, a long held dark family secret comes to light. May 19th of that year in touch magazine announces they had obtained that 2006 police report. They contained details about how Josh had sexually assaulted four of his sisters and a fifth girl. Galker outlined how rumors of this accusation were brought up in various blog posts over the years, 17 kids and counting forums had discussed the allegations. This is back as far back as May 2007, but in touch, the first mainstream media outlets do a proper story. Josh's name was redacted from the police report, but in touch, named him in their article.

Story was that the Arkansas Child Abuse Hotline received a tip December 7th, 2006, right? As we went over from Oprah's Harpo studios, allegations then reported, uh, or excuse me, the allegations were reported to them by someone who knew a family friend, the family friend knew about the molestation incidents wrote a letter detailing what Josh did. The person then put that letter inside a book. Then forgot about it. Then somebody borrowed that book, discovered the letter, and then here we are. They reached out to Oprah Studio and to the authorities.

Springdale PD then reached out to schedule interviews with the family. They returned home from Chicago on December 11th. Next day, Jim Bob Michelle and the kids are interviewed by police at Springdale Children's Safety Center. Investigator Taylor interviewed each victim, asked them what they like to do around the house, if they knew why they were there to talk,

asked them where they were touched, asked where they thought no one should be allowed to touch them and finally asked if they felt safe in the home. Everything seemed to be for what it was, okay. No charge will be filed because the police determined that the statute of limitations had expired. There was nothing they could do except make an official report. The police referred the matter to the family's in need of service agency, which had jurisdiction over minors.

The Department of Human Services got involved, but no children were removed from the home. December 19, 2006, the police did ask Jim Bob to bring Josh in for more questioning, but he refused and hired a lawyer. All party got his plan for Jim Bob for him to help, you know, for him to hide a sexual predator and keep that predator around his family and around his victims. Police report revealed the Jim Bob first found out about the sexual assault for fucking years earlier in July of 2002 when Josh was 14. One of his younger than 14 daughters told him that her older brother Josh

followed her breasts in vaginal area while he thought she was sleeping. According to Jim Bob, when questioned, Josh admitted that he had done this. And to Jim Bob then bring this to the police right away. Did he put his daughter in therapy? Did he send Josh away so that he wouldn't reoffend?

Haven't stood back to you, no. No, he disagreed to do that first documentary about their family. No, they had a lot of stake. So they prayed about it. A lot of prayers and they decided to sweep it under the rug. Nine months later, March of 2003, Jim Bob, Michelle, would realize that the prayers didn't change anything. That their son was still an incestuous pedophile. That March, they learned about several more incidents. He's molested three more of their daughters, their poor state of Josh. Now, I'm molested four sisters in an additional non-family victim and more than once Josh would confess

to mostly molesting them while they slept. But occasionally also while they were very much awake. In one incident Josh molested one of his sisters while she sat on his lap. In another he inappropriately touched a victim after cornering them in the family laundry room. Now does Jim Bob contact the police? Oh gosh, they know.

Now they still got that first doctor finish. They have a brand image to maintain, right? Making sure his daughters are safe. That's terrible for business. So Jim Bob does not contact the police instead. He meets with church elders and they decide that Josh should be sent away from March 17th to July 17th 2003 where he will perform manual labor and receive counseling. But not real counseling by people with degrees and shit No church counselors who think you can literally pray away pedophilia, which you can't do Jim Bob has never revealed the name of the facility Maybe because he never went to one Michelle will later admit the Josh didn't go to a training center Jim Bob lied

Light after finally being pressured to be honest about this Jim Bob went to work with a man who is remodeling a hobby lobby into an Institute and Basic Life Principles facility. No fake counseling even. Just some construction, further immersion and a very dark organization that Jim Bob and Michelle had already been in for well over a decade. Now let's get to know the Institute and Basic Life Principles a bit better. It'll absolutely help us understand why Jim Bob decided to hide his son as an abuser. The IBLP is an Illinois-based ministry founded by Tel Avangilus Bill Gothard, just outside of Chicago in 1961.

Stated purpose of the organization is to provide instruction on how to find success in life by following biblical principles. This involves programs that include seminars for ministry, community outreach, troubled youth mentoring, and international ministry. And the IBLP has been described by many as a cult. In March of 2014, Gothard resigned as president of the institute after being accused of sexual abuse and harassment. 20 miles west of downtown Chicago in Hinsdale is the IBLP headquarters gothards stepped down in 2014 after an internal pro regarding sexual abuse uh based on complaints of over 30 women 18 former staffers interns and volunteers would then file a lawsuit accusing gothard then 80 years old

Of sexually physically emotionally spiritually and or psychologically abusing them In most cases the planters were miners atiffs were minors at the time of the abuse, and they'd been recruited to work for the organization by Gothard himself. The suit also took on IBLP accusing it of initially covering up Gothard's actions, which the plaintiffs claimed took place over the course of several decades. Common knowledge, four decades, even amongst the duggers, that Bill Gothard was very fond of pretty blonde teenage girls. Unmarried man loves pretty blonde teenage girls. Janet Dugger was invited to go to Hensdale and work with IBLP as one of Gothard's special secretaries. She could have easily

become one of his victims, but it doesn't seem that she went. The IBLP published homeschool curriculum that the duggers used, overall parenting guidelines, so much crazy shit, like stuff like this. Kids should not play monopoly because of its focus on dirty money, because of its secular focus,

its materialistic focus, but they should play a kind of similar game called Commands of Christ, a game manufactured by the Institute. Instead of getting a go to jail card, they could go to the venomous pit of bitterness or the torture pit of temporal values. Little girls were also taught not to have cabbage patched dolls because warlocks made them. Why the douga girls didn't have them. Let me repeat this. This institute publicly proclaimed

in writing that fucking warlocks make cabbage patch dolls. Institute also taught that music with the rock beat, even supposedly Christian rock is likely satanic, but wait, there's more. Institute taught the women are expected to obey men in every way in the home at school at the workplace especially in marriage Brooke Arnold a former IBLP member featured in the shiny happy people doc talked about some of the homeschool curriculum She said in the wisdom booklet There are these drawings of women and they're wearing various different outfits the assignment is to figure out what's sluddy about each woman's outfit Instead of learning math you're learning slutshaming. Another former member, Heather Heath said,

I bought a box of tampons. This is when she stained at the headquarters. I B L P leaders went through my stuff, they took them instantly, they said, these are a form of pleasure. Oh my God. I got locked in my room because I was told I took my own virginity with them and robbed my husband of the right to break my

Hyman so they took my devil sticks Look, I know that you can be very intelligent and also very religious, but can you be very intelligent and also think tampons or evil devil sticks? I don't think you can. I think you have to be pretty fucking stupid to believe that. This is fucking ridiculous. Laura Smith, a former IBLP member who was also featured in the doc about the shiny, happy people, talks about fear being pushed on IBLP member, saying hell was very vivid for us. It was not an abstract concept.

I would dream about being burned alive because I would think, oh, I really hate my brother today. Relating to how the duggers handle Josh's sexual abusing siblings, let me read you some of the key points from an IBLP handout passed around to families at various seminars to suggest the benefits of sexual abuse. Mm, the benefits.

This handout, oh, Lindsay was real fired up about this one. Well, I was bugging her a lot about this episode. This handout is why did God let a four-year-old boy be molested by a 15-year-old neighbor? This is gonna be absolutely as fucked up as you're probably thinking One to teach him his responsibility to cry out to God for help did your four-year-old cry out to God while being raped If not this fucking pamphlet says when a victim and it puts the word victim in quotes does not cry out, he will be equally guilty. Yikes! Two, to motivate him to dedicate his body to God. You guys stop thinking about your body as your own body. It doesn't belong to you. It belongs to God. So you don't get raped. God does sometimes. What do you, God should be upset about being raped, I guess.

Three, to give him a moral vaccination against future temptations. Four, to transform a rouse desires to spiritual power. Five, to motivate him to write God's law on his heart. Your four year old was too prideful. Needed a little rape and taken down a pig. So you know, it gave God's law in his heart. Six to concentrate, this is fucking, oh my God, this one fucking kill.

Six to concentrate on God's hatred of Sodom. You know, before being asked raped, I doubt your little four year old ever even thought about, you know, Sodom. How brutal it could be. You know, never really concentrated on it. But now, now with no loop, now he gets it. What, what a blessing.

Now he understands why he got hates it. And it just goes on and on with these repulsive hate field messages. Yeah, yeah, yeah. To further illustrate how women are reviewed by the IBLP, check out this excerpt from another pamphlet, this one's on marriage, same kind of wisdom. At one point it says question,

what if a wife is a victim of her husband's hostility? Answer, there is no, and again in quotes, they put the word, fucking victim in quotes. Answer, there is no victim. If we understand, we are called to suffer for righteousness. Those dougar girls were no victims when Josh molested them, no reason to call the authorities. They're not victims. They just needed to be reminded that we all get called upon to suffer for righteousness. This shit is so fucking insane. But you actually know what, insane is not the right word for it. This shit is evil.

And this is the ideology of Jim Bob and Michelle Dugger. Hold some family. So hold some. You know, not some hell bound. He's in pieces of shit like me who think that, you know, you shouldn't treat sexual abuse lightly. That perpetrators should be incarcerated or killed. and women shouldn't have to suffer through abusive marriages. I guess I'm just fucking stupid, I just don't get it. All of the IBLP ministry programs and their homeschooling network, all their teachings, you know, part of a bigger plan by Gothern.

That plan was for the so-called Joshua generation, a group of elite homeschooled children who could rise to the highest levels of government, something they saw as essential to take over the government for Jesus and reestablish the role of Christianity as central to America's identity glory be to Gilead. This is terrifying. God third truly wanted to turn America into a theocratic nightmare where women and children are never protected. If motherfuckers like these dangerous idiots ever take over this country, I mean, they're

gonna move. I'm gonna go out in a fucking, fucking blaze of shooting. I'm gonna go to one of their fucking centers and shoot as many as I can before they fucking take me out. So, understanding the ideology, Jim Bob and Michelle were immersed in actually not surprising how they did not take Josh's crimes, you know, seriously. Josh returned home in July of 2003, as far as they were concerned, 100% cured. I mean, they prayed about it. He will, he won't fucking molest his, you know, siblings again. I mean, he will, but they think now that he won't.

Then after allegedly even more assaults on siblings at home, sometime in 2005, according in InTouch magazine, Jim Bob in the church, and a church elder, bring Josh now 17 years old to speak to a state trooper, Joe Hutchins, Hutchins, new Jim Bob because the church and a church elder bring Josh now 17 years old to speak to a state trooper Joe Hutchins Hutchins knew Jim Bob because he'd inspected vehicles of Jim Bob's car dealership. Hutchins does not charge a Josh with any crimes or make a police report. Instead he gives Josh a quote, very stern talk, which is fucking illegal. Arkansas state law requires officers to report sexual misconduct involving juvenile victims, but Hutchins just doesn't do that. Also legally, as soon as Hutchins knows about the incident, the clock starts ticking on

the time they have to file charges. And then the time limit expires just before the police receive the tip on December 7, 2006 today, Oprah's team gets to email. Because Jim Bob did eventually report shit to a law enforcement officer, no charges are filed against him, even though he reported it so late. So why didn't Hutchins do more about Josh? Well, things get more twisted. Might have something to do with Hutchins being involved in the same religious circles and also being a pedophile. And I push pause the timeline for just a sec to show what he did. June 1, 2012, Hutchins will plead no contest

to 10 counts of distributing, possessing or viewing matter depicting sexually explicit conduct involving a child. He was charged as a, as a habitual offender and received a 56-year sentence. 10 additional counts dismissed as part of a plea deal. Hutchins was retired from the state police. At this point, worked as a, he had, uh, he was working as a bailiff, though, at the time of his arrest. He had been a state trooper for 26 years and first arrested in 2005. Same year he didn't do shit for Josh. Right after his meeting with Josh, that guy got took taken down for being a pito.

Took a plea deal in 2007 to eight counts of possession of child pornography. Received five years for each count to be served concurrently. Right after getting out of parole officer found more images during a home visit. Back to 2015 now, the year in touch magazine announced that they had obtained a 2006 police report to contain details about how Josh and sexually assaulted four sisters in a fifth group. May 21st, Josh Dugger confirmed the allegations were true in a Facebook post, or he wrote 12 years ago as a young teenager.

I acted inexcusably for which I'm extremely sorry and deeply regret. I heard others, including my family and close friends. We spoke with the authorities where I confess my wrongdoing, not really true, and my parents arranged for me and those affected by my actions to receive counseling. Also not true. I understood that if I continued down this wrong road, that I would end up ruining my life. I sought forgiveness from those I had wronged and asked Christ to forgive me and come into my life.

I would do anything to go back to those teen years and take different actions. In my life today, I am so very thankful for God's grace, mercy and redemption. But that's all bullshit because Josh had not changed. As we'll see, same day, Josh Delger resigned from the Family Research Council where he worked as a lobbyist. Family Research Council where he worked as a lobbyist Family Research Council has been listed as a hate group by the Southern Property Law Center They would love to make being a crime making it nearly impossible for women to divorce abusive husbands All sorts of horrible shit if you dig into their supposedly wholesome values

Josh has been living in Washington DC with Ann and his children He was active in the political scene and posted photos with several prominent politicians May 22, 2015 TLC pulls all reruns of 19 kids and counting from their channel. Walgreens, pay less shoes, uh, general mills, choice hotels and more pull ads from the show. May 27, 2015 former Arkansas State trooper, current fucking pito joe Hutchins. Right before, uh, and being taken down again, uh, contacted in touch to tell them the Jim Bob hid the full extent of Josh's abuse from authorities. Hutchins claimed the Jim Bob only told him about one incident and downplayed it significantly, which is why he never reported to the abuse hotline. Said the Jim Bob, uh, said the Josh confessed

that he only touched one victim one time, inter sleep over clothing. Not true. Said the Josh followed his dad's lead and said, I did what I thought was right, obviously it wasn't. If I had to do over again, I would have told him immediately. I'm gonna call the hotline and contact the trooper that worked those cases and have a full report made.

I thought I could handle it myself. I've lost a lot of sleep over it. I'm a Christian myself. And I worry that someone else, that something else may have happened. I would be responsible for, to my opinion, by not reporting it. The young girls should have been my first priority. But unfortunately, Officer Hutchins, first priority this time was to, you know, be beaten off to pictures of kids being raped and stuff. It's fucking so crazy this story. June

3rd, 2015, Jim Bob, Michelle, Jess, a Jill Dugger, sit down with Fox News journalist Megan Kelly for an interview. Megan did a great job in this's interview I thought. They were trying to do some PR damage control. Maybe shift focus away from their sons troubles. And an epidemic of front hugged, destroying America. They now acknowledge that four of their five victims were their daughters, four of the five victims. Also said the biggest issue was not how Josh molested his sisters, but that Josh's police records were released under a freedom of information act request. What a fucked perspective. Kind of perspective you would have if you've been brainwashed and thinking that women's

rights aren't that important and sexual abuse, not that big of a deal. They announced that they might sue the police department. Jim Bob told Megan Kelly that they wanted to protect juvenile records because mistakes juveniles make when they're young should be sealed. Totally protection. That's what Jim Bob is Megan Kelly that they wanted to protect juvenile records because mistakes juveniles make when their young should be sealed. Totally protection. That's what Jim Bob is mostly about protecting his children, like his daughters, who he allowed to be continually molested. Uh, Jim Bob told Megan Kelly, Josh came up, Josh came to us on his own and he was crying.

He had just turned 14. He said he had actually improperly touched some of our daughters. He said he was just curious about girls. He had gone in and just basically touched them over their clothes while they were sleeping. They didn't even know he had done it. Jimov said that the girls didn't really understand what had happened to them. Of course they didn't understand. None of them had been properly taught about sex. Did I mention the IBLP, homeschool curriculum contains nothing about sex education, like zero?

Like the Dugger kids never taught how sex works. Initially, they barely understood what molesting was. Right, they were so ignorant. They didn't understand what had happened to them, that it was wrong. Jim Bob said that they tried to deal with the issue as a family, but it continued for sisters, family, babies that are assaulted.

Yeah, that's fucking what happens when you don't fucking remove somebody like that. Oh my God. When that happened, when a kid that they could not control had been sexually assaulted, that's when Jim Bob Michelle decided to do something when the babysitter was touched. You know, it's one thing to finger bang your sister, Josh. It's, it's one thing to ride her bike quite another to finger bang the babysitter and take her bike off some curves and ramps and down bumpy trails and such. Jim Bob said that's when we pulled him out of the house. We said he can't be here, but then he would just come back soon.

He said Josh now went to receive a live-in therapy at a Christian treatment center, but we know that didn't really happen. He just did some construction. Jim Bob also denied knowing Joe Hutchins was now in prison for Kitty porn. And I think that's bullshit. This guy plays fucking dumb a lot. I don't buy it. I don't like it. I don't like it.

Jim Bob accused Joe Hutchins of lying about only knowing about one incident in the molestation. He insisted Josh told it full truth. Afterwards, he said that Josh and all the girls received counseling from a licensed therapist. No, they didn't. He said that Josh paid for his counseling himself. When Josh returned home, he said that he didn't think he was a threat to the girls because

he was a changed person now. It's not how this works. Jim Bob Michelle now made his new rules around the house. They said when Josh came back, boys couldn't, you know, babysit girls anymore. Boys not allowed to play hide and seek with girls. No boys and girls allowed to be alone in a room together and no one allowed to sit on anyone else's lap. Why not? Maybe more kids need to be reminded that their bodies don't belong to them. Maybe more kids need to be humbled by God's chosen humbler Josh Dugger Megan Kelly asked why they decided to do a show knowing they were hiding such a huge secret and Jim Bob responded We had nothing to hide with a wide you fucking hide it piece of shit

We had taken care of that years before we had a clean bowl of health from this clean bill of health from the state Not exactly Michelle stated that she believed there was an agenda for releasing the police report We had taken care of that years before. We had a clean bill of health from the state. Not exactly. Michelle stated that she believed there was an agenda for releasing the police report. She thought scrutiny against her family was motivated by a dislike of their conservative values. Right, they just refused to focus on what matters here.

Maybe people were motivated by a dislike of people who don't protect their children. People who build a brand on strong family values who don't uphold them. Jim Bob ran for Senate on a platform that included making incest of crime with capital punishment and then does this, right? These people suck. Jim Bob and Michelle speculated that maybe a bribe or a personal agenda was the motivation

to release the police report. They said that Josh had one spoken to a police captain, Kathy O'Kelley at a meeting offered a handshake and she refused to speak to him. I like Kathy. Please, Captain was about to retire. I made a statement that there were a few things she wanted to fix before she retired and they thought that one of the things

was exposing Josh's past. And you know what, if she did, good for her. Michelle said, I think every one of us have done things wrong. And that's why Jesus came. This is more about, this is an agenda. And there's people that are, you know, purposing to try to bring things out and twisting them to hurt and slander. Oh Michelle, you

fucking half wit. Uh, yeah, we've all done things are wrong, but most of us have not done something as wrong as, you know, we'll less our siblings on multiplications and the fucking babysitter. But again, not a big deal, right? Because of the crazy ass IBLP teachings. And also I think Jim Bob and Michelle are in some ways dumbest fucking rocks. I mean, I mean, they worried that cabbage patched all were being made by warlocks. Ugh, several of Michelle's daughters will talk in the doc shiny, happy people about

how much downplaying Josh's actions really hurt them. Made them feel like what happened to them did not matter, right? They were retraumatized, like they were wrong to feel like it was a big deal. Megan Kelly asked Jim Bob and Michelle what they thought about people who called them, hypocrites and Jim Bob said, I don't think you would go to total strangers and say hi. My name is Sohn so, and I want you to know what I did when I was a child and share everything about your past. I mean, I've done that. I talk about fucking banana.

I did a grocery store bathroom. Every family has things that happen in the families. Some families maybe have darker things than others. The sure do, Jim Bob, the sure do. And when things are real, real dark, the authority should know about them. Also a guy who put his family through 10 seasons of having a reality TV production crew in their home, talking about keeping certain parts of your life private is ridiculous. Megan Kelly asks Michelle about a rubble call recording now. Does she have made where she referred to transgender people as being child molesters?

Ask how could she do this in judge people? Who hadn't to her knowledge done anything wrong knowing what her own son had done? And Michelle responded, I think the protecting young girls and not allowing young men and men in general to go into a girl's locker room is just common sense. Deflect, deflect, deflect.

Michelle should never talk about common sense because she doesn't have any. Also, you know, would be common sense to remove a sexual predator from your home. Megan Kelly wasn't gonna let the answer slide. She said, this is different because you injected child molestation into it. And now Jim, Jim Bob interrupts.

I think you actually said pedophile in that and actually a pedophile is an adult that prays on children. Josh was actually 14 and just turned 15. When did you know what he did legal definition 16 and up for being an adult print on a child so he was he was a child print on a child Just fucking admit you fucked up They both then inserted they didn't think Joshua's a pedophile not the sweet baby boy even though he was Michelle ended by tearfully saying I think what's so devastating for me as a mama is that we took our children to the safety center. We trusted them. We trusted the police department. Our children poured out their hearts, they shared everything.

And then to have their trust betrayed. And for older information, everything they shared to be turned over to a tabloid as a mom that breaks my heart for my girls because they've been victimized more by what's happened in these last couple weeks than they were 12 years ago because they honestly didn't even understand and know that anything happened until after the fact when they were told about it. In our hearts before God, we have been keeping secrets,

we've been protecting those that needed to be protected. Fuck you, Michelle Dugger. What your son did to your daughter is the way you added additional trauma by not protecting them and having it happen again and again That shit is what victimize your kids most not the police not the tabloids So sad that such a shitty mom was blessed with so many kids Megan Kelly spoke to the daughter's next Jill 24 Jess of 22 identified themselves as two of the victims

Jill called the news coverage a revictimization. That's a thousand times worse a thousand times Because this is something that was already dealt with. We've already forgiven Josh. We've already moved on. But how gross is this? She will a few years later, say in the doc, shiny happy people that she was coached to give that response by Jim Bob heavily.

She made that up, right? To protect the family. Talk about being retraumatized Jill was 12 when she was assaulted Jess was 9 or 10 she'll told Megan Kelly We didn't choose to come out and tell our story, but now that the story's been brought out We really feel like as victims we have to come out and speak This is something we chose to do Nobody asked us to do this most of the stuff out there is lies for true sake

We want to come out and set the record straight But again, she was asked to do that by her fucking dad, heavily coached, must protect the brand. Just to explain in Josh's case, he was a young boy in puberty, he was a little too curious about girls, and that got him into some trouble, and he made some bad choices.

But really the extent of it was mild, inappropriate touching on fully closed victims, which is not true, most of it while girls were sleeping. And everyone knows by the way, it's okay to do shit to girls while they're asleep. Imagine that mentality. Just stay. I mean, this is why it's such a travesty. What happened to Bill Cosby? He barely did anything wrong. He did shit to women who were asleep. He made him fall asleep, but they were asleep. And what happens when you're asleep, it doesn't matter. Jess had told Megan Kelly,

I do want to speak up in defense against people who are calling him a child molester or a pedophile or a rapist. Some people are saying, I'm like, this is so overboard and a lie really. I mean, people get mad at me for saying that, but I can say this because I was one of the victims. I can be coached by my father to say this.

Jess had then went on to say this system that was set up for protect kids, both those who make stupid mistakes or have problems like this in life and the ones who are affected by those choices is greatly failed. Ah, and again, all coached, coached to pretend that the system has victimized them more than the brother. And how is all this blame shifting affecting Josh?

I imagine making him feel like what he did was not that big of a deal. Either he's victim too, which gives him less incentive to seek therapy and take this all very seriously, which makes him that much more likely to reoffend which he will. July 26, 2015, TLC officially cancels 19 kids and counting. They didn't like the fucking interviews. At the thoughtful consideration, TLC and the Dugger family have decided not to move forward with 19 kids and counting. That really just TLC.

The show will no longer appear on the air. The recent attention around the Dugger has sparked a critical and important conversation about child protection. Yep. TLC also announced plans to air a one hour documentary about child sexual abuse as part of their partnership with rain and darkness to light. Some great groups actually dedicated to protecting, you know, the victims of sexual abuse. I believe we've donated to rain in the past.

Pretty sad when reality TV producers end up having better morals than the supposedly wholesome duggers. In August 2015, another scandal rocks the Dugor family. Group of hackers get into the actually Madison website, leaked the user's data, and this outs Josh Dugor as a customer of Ashley Madison, a cheating website promising discrete encounters full of front hugs with Mary people.

Josh used the site between 2012 and 2015, spent 968 bucks. How many discrete encounters did that pay for? How many front hugs did he get? How many bikes did he ride? And rides so hard. You know, trying to do back flips, tail whips, wiping out, fucking up the shocks,

wearing out the tire treads, knocking the chain off and not even carrying. Josh's username was Josh the man he wrote in his profile that he was an attached male seeking female. His desires were conventional sex, experimented with sex toys, and one night stands. His personal interests included traveling photography. Josh said he was turned on by, quote, professional, confident women who dislike routine and have a secret love nest. What the fuck is a secret love nest? I mean, that sounds pretty cool. Sounds like he wanted the good stuff, the freaky shit.

The stuff that Lucifino is like, are you sure you're ready for this yet? Stuff not intended for procreation. August 20, 2015, Josh Dugger releases a statement indirectly admitting to using the website and his secret addiction to pornography. He writes, I have been the biggest hypocrite ever. While espousing faith and family values, I have secretly over the last several years been

viewing pornography on the internet. This became a secret addiction and I became unfaithful to my wife. I brought hurt and reproached to my family, close friends and fans of our show with my actions that happened when I was 14, 15 years old, and now I have rebroken their trust. The last few years while publicly stating I was fighting against immorality in our country while hiding my own personal failings. As I am learning the hard way, we have the freedom to choose our actions, but we do not get to choose our consequences. I deep regret all the hurt I have caused so many by being such a bad example. I humbly ask your forgiveness. Please pray for my precious wife, Anna and our family during this time. I wonder how long Josh waited after writing that email before

beating off to some violent kiddie porn. Matthew McCarthy, the man whose picture Josh stole for his okay cuban and actually medicine profiles, then announces plans to sue Josh for use of the photo. claims he had to face harassment and humiliation because of the scandal, lost work as a DJ and a photographer. claims he had to face harassment and humiliation because of the scandal, lost work as a DJ and a photographer. In December 2015, TLC launches the premiere of a spin-off show, counting on, which does not feature Josh Dugger. They figured out how to milk more fucking money out of the Duggers, despite their supposed stance against their immorality. The show focuses now on Jill and Jess's adult lives with her husbands and children like 19 kids and counting. It's a hit. And guess who is really being paid for this show? Jim Bob and Michelle, not Jill and Jessup.

Just being further exploited by the parents and shame on TLC for letting that happen. Jill confronted her father about a contract. She says she was pressured to sign for her dad without reading. She'll say this, you know, later. And that the contract had all the money for counting on go to Jim Bob's production company. When confronted Jim said, or Jill said, Jim Bob offered her 10 bucks an hour. What a piece of shit. I'll explain more about the money a little bit later.

2019 more trouble with Josh, a lot more. Agents from the Department of Homeland Security now execute a search warrant at Josh Duggers' car dealership on Arkansas. The raid will be kept secret from the public for two years until 2021. The agents were after Josh's work computer because they detected child porn downloaded at the car dealership. They found that he installed accountability software on his personal MacBook and HP desktop computer, a program called Covenant Eyes designed to

monitor people with porn addictions. The program sends browsing history to an accountability partner, which was his wife Anna, but Josh, you know, easily installed a tour browser. Gave him access to the dark web so he can just work around access even more hardcore porn. You can find on the regular internet without covenant eyes detecting shit. It's almost like this guy needed to be sent to prison for a long time or maybe killed. It's almost like being enabled to keep on abusing while he was growing up. Uh, didn't really make him a better person. a long time and maybe killed. It's almost like being enabled to keep on abusing while he was growing up,

didn't really make him a better person. Josh agreed to answer questions during the raid. At one point he asked, what is this about? Has someone been downloading child pornography? That's a weird question to bring up before they bring it up. Oh hi officers, let me guess you're here for the, for the kiddie porn.

Well, I don't have any. It's for sure not on my hard drive. Not on a few encrypted folders, huh? No, definitely didn't just finish beating off to any of that stuff. No, sir. April 29, 2021, Josh Dougher arrests on federal charges receiving possessing child pornography. Federal prosecutors announced that Josh allegedly

used the internet to download child sexual abuse material and not just picks and naked kids, which is horrible on its own, but pics and videos of kids being seriously abused, you know, being raped on video. Just want to be clear about how fucked this is. Such a shame you never got this pedophilia cured, which you can do. There has been a cure for pedophilia ever since it's been around. It's called death.

One properly placed bullet. Ta-da! Cured. No more victims. called death. One properly placed bullet. Ta-da! Cured. No more victims. Agents discovered the horrific material on Josh's desktop computer and personal laptop and Josh pled not guilty. May 5, 2021, a federal agent testified in court that Josh downloaded and possessed 65 images in a two minute video depicting sexual abuse of girls between the ages of five and 10, five and 10.

And then the agent said that Josh had some of the worst sexual abuse child pornography that he has seen in over 1,000 cases. First off, that poor fucking agent, hail Nimrod for having the mental fortitude to be able to handle over a thousand cases of child porn, where you have to see images in every case that cannot be good for your brain, but so necessary to catch these six bucks and try and reduce consumption of that porn, which, you know, if reduced enough, would theoretically reduce the amount made. Anyone making child porn, by the way, please kill yourself. You're the rare exception to the, please don't kill yourself, rule counter intuitively.

The best thing you can do to prevent the most suicide is to take yourself out. So you'll not victimize other people to the point that some of them will tragically take themselves out. Josh was formally charged with two counts receiving and possessing child pornography, June 29th, 2021 TLC officially now cancels the spin off County not TLC feels it's important. They say in a press release to give the Dugger family the opportunity to address their situation privately. October 29th, 2021 in the midst of the family's biggest scandal yet, Jim Bob Dugger announces

he'll be running for the Arkansas State Senate District 7. Why? He gets the third most votes. Guess God didn't want him to win and can guess God thought he was too fucking stupid for politics. Jim Bob will blame cancel culture for his loss. Sure buddy, cool story pro. December 9th, 2021, Josh Dugger found guilt you to counts

receiving a possessing child pornography, May of 2022, sentenced to 12 and a half years in prison. June 2nd of this year, 2023, shiny happy people, Dugger family secrets, debuts on Amazon Prime, bringing to light Dugger's addiction, or excuse me, Dugger's association, the whole family association with the IBLP, revealing how the Dugger kids were not paid

to have their childhood's broadcast to the world, and exposing how the girls were coached to downplay sexual abuse and more. In September of this year, Jill Dugger's memoir, counting the cost comes out. In it, Jill details the aftermath of Josh's molestation scandal, her clash with her father, over 19 kids and counting money and more.

She wrote about Jim Bob telling the kids he wants to destroy his eight track collection with a hammer because rock and roll was sinful. She shared how the family left their Baptist church for much stricter sect when she was young after a Christmas service included. Oh, it wasn't drumming. It was dancing. It was dancing after Christmas service. And they were like, we're out. Also said that eventually after confronting her dad about not being paid for either the show, 19 kids in county, which ran for 10 seasons. And then the spin-off where she was one of the main stars counting on, which ran for 11 seasons, her dad did finally pay her a one time sum of $175,000, after a bunch of pressure, some of the other grown siblings were paid 80,000 each, but Jim Bob

and Michelle paid roughly 8 million from the two shows. And the second show, not even focused on them, they really are pieces of shit. Okay, so what are Jim Bob and Michelle up to today? Time magazine reported a few months back that Jim is the new. Okay, so what are Jim Bob and Michelle up to today? Time magazine reported a few months back that Jim is the new leader of the Institute and Basic Life Principles. The shiny happy people doc alluded to the Dugger Patriarch campaigning to be the next head of the organization

when one former Dugger family friend claimed he took over after Gothurd was outstead in 2014. But Jim Bob not included in the IABLP list of directors per their website, but also Bill Gothert still listed as the organization's leader despite being kicked out So maybe the website not so current Jim Bob and Michelle do still regularly promote the very least IBLP practices and speak at their events In May of this year Michelle congratulated their son Jackson for completing phase one at the alert academy in IBLP ministry for completing Phase 1 at the Alert Academy in IBLP Ministry.

Based on the family website, it seems that the Dugger family still resides in their compound. Some of the Dugger children, including Jill and Ginger, live separate from the family, but most either live, you know, if they're not living with them, live very close by. And that will take us out of the timeline. Good job, soldier. You've made it back. Barely. Before I recap, a little more info about Jim Ball. Apparently he just opened up a used bike shop. And that bike shop did sponsor today's episode. Hey, diddle-a-doo, neighbors! Jim Ball Dugger here, proud new owner of Springdale's, rode hard and put away wet used by the girls.

Are you like my oldest son? You made me take a little break. Neil Ballon changed, shining new back at home. I'm sure you enjoy being the only one who's ever ridden it, but that bike cries when you ask to try out some tricks. That bike talks about how you're always supposed to ride a bike for one reason or one reason alone. Just to get where you're going. Nothing else. Never just for fun. But what if you do diddley do want to ride a bike just for fun? What if you want to ride two bikes at the same diddley time? What if you run around one bike while another diddley do bike, watch us from the

corner and touch this diddley do self? What if you want to watch one bike ride another bike while you film both bikes? Hey, we still talking about bikes? You can do anything you want to our road harder, put away wet use bikes. Everyone's taking a ride. There ain't none of these bikes I ain't seen before and they ain't gonna make you feel guilty or ask God for forgiveness for jumping them off the curb. So you know how much air you can get on the head of cab ramp, riding them, rugging them hard, and a bump of trail. You don't have to use protection when you ride.

Toss that helmet in the trash, ride off these bikes. Hey, hey, are we still talking about bikes? When you're done, you can bring them back or hell. You can throw them off a bridge and do a river. You can bury them in the woods so they don't share your darkest secrets. Are you sure?

Where's the talk about bikes? Come on down to GM Bob Duggers. Road hard, wood away wet, use bicepkins. These bikes ain't my wife and hate my daughter, so I don't care how you ride them. Just don't get them pregnant, because I don't want these godless, hard at bikes, raising bastard bike kids.

But they'll have to since I just enter seeing buried in the landfill before I decide how I'm haunted at Florida. Are you positive? We're still talking about bikes. I'll see you in Springdale. What's he talking about bikes. I'll see you in Springdale. What's he talking about bikes? Or is Jim Bob around a brothel?

Okay, was I pretty hard on the doggers today? Yes. Why? Because I can't write off an organization who's teaching to minimize the devastating effects of sexual abuse and people who adhere to those teachings. I don't think it's fair to give them a pass because, you know, they're part of a more accepted

mainstream religion than many of the cults we've covered. I wouldn't condone these teachings in the secular world, world, wouldn't condone them in a cult, can't condone them in the broader religious world. I find the teachings of the Institute and basic life principles to be absolutely abhorrent. Following those teachings leads people to do exactly what Jim Bob did when he came to him to how he handled his son Josh initially

From what it sounds like molesting one daughter There's all kind of reports. I know that gets a little confusing and then because nothing appropriate was done Uh, now three other daughters and a babysitter get molested then the same kid grows up to consume incredibly violent child porn Would he have done that if he would have been put in real counseling right away after the first incident? Would he have done that if he was have been put in real counseling right away after the first incidence? Would he have done that if he was taught more about sexuality at a younger age? Didn't see all of it including fucking front hugs is being sinful and shameful? Would he have done that if he wasn't raised in such a misogynistic environment where girls are raised in many ways to be the

perfect abuse victims? Girls raised to be subservient, to not talk back, to have the instinct to disobey, literally beat out of them when their babies on a blanket reaching for a toy. It's fucked up. Does that mean I hate religion? No. But I just, uh, just like I hate certain principles of secular ideologies, like certain tenets of communism, certain tenets of capitalism even,

I hate some of the shit taught by the Institute and basic life principles. I hate the core of their beliefs. I hate any principle that minimizes the abuse of by the Institute and basic life principles. I hate the core of their beliefs. I hate any principle that minimizes the abuse of others, especially vulnerable others like children. I hate teachings to make one sex feel like they're less than another sex.

I hate teachings that take any scientifically proven to be real and natural sexual orientation and orientation other than heterosexuality, but still based in adult consent and demonizing. Fuck traditional values. How about we replace the word traditional with humanist? Humanist means an advocate or follower of the principle of humanism, and humanism is defined as beliefs that stress the potential value and goodness of human beings.

Emphasize common human needs and seek solely rational ways of solving human problems. Doesn't that sound nice, meat sacks? Emphasizing the goodness of human beings, focusing on common needs, solving problems rationally. Can you still have religious values? Yes. But when it comes to legislation, when it comes to child-rearing, when it comes to big societal decisions, the only thing that makes sense to me, what feels by far to be the most fair and compassionate, is to let a humanist worldview take precedence over religious views. If your religious views line up with humanist views, beautiful. Great. That's awesome.

But when the two don't line up, then I think we need to have a common standard, and I think that needs to be a humanist view. If we don't, if we put the supernatural above the natural, then we end up with people not thinking sexual abuse is a big deal because it's not your body anyway. It's God body. We end up with people sluts, Jamie, for tampon use, reason and logic.

Let those principles be our guiding lights. Reason and logic dictate that a woman should be able to divorce her husband if he's beating the shit out of her. Reason and logic dictate that no 80 year old single man known for being real fond of blonde teen should probably have access unsupervised to those teens while they are his his assistance. Right reason and logic dictate the cabbage patch dolls are made by warlocks. Let us have religion for those who needed getting rid of religion has not looked good historically. See Stalin's Russia. see Hitler's Germany,

see Kim Il Sung's North Korea, Mao Zedong's China, and more. Now have faith if you need it, meat sacks. I don't fucking know what waits for us after death. Maybe it is your God truly. But also maybe your God's message has gotten twisted over the years by shipbirds like Bill gothurt. Maybe God doesn't mind a front hug. Maybe God's OG message

was perfectly aligned with humanism. Wouldn't that be cool? Jesus, from what I understand, does seem pretty humanist. Love the center. Hail, Nimrod. I love you. Let's hit the takeaways. Time to suck. Top five takeaways. Number one, Jim Bob and Michelle Dugger originally thought they only wanted two or three kids. Michelle gave birth to Josh, made the mistake of not immediately choking him the fuck out, went back on the birth control pill. When Michelle miscarried her second baby, she and Jim Bob were devastated and beg God for forgiveness and decided that from then on, they would accept however many children they were meant to have

and they would go full, quiverful and give birth to 19 children. Number two, Jim Bob and Michelle Razer children to follow countless rules have a very regimented routine. Children must cover themselves from shoulder to thigh. Girls can't wear pants. No one can have piercings or tattoos. Internet strictly forbidden outside of schoolwork. Most of TV forbidden.

Each child must complete their IVLP school work, assign chores or jurisdictions, and a few hours of music practice every day, but no, devil drums. Older girls must do their school, chores, babysit, keep the house running. When it comes to sex and dating, forget about either before marriage,

potential partners not even allowed to front hug, go anywhere unsupervised, or even have private texting conversations. Number three, the Institute and Basic Life Principles is horrific. Right? Question, what if a wife is a victim of her husband's hostility? Answer, there's no victim if we understand we are all we are called to suffer for righteousness. Are you kidding me? Number four, 2015 in Touch Magazine revealed shocking secrets about the Dugger family. In 2002, in 2003, Josh molested five young girls, four of them as sisters, Jim Bob, waited over a year

after the first, you know, first girl came to him to go to the police. And then when he did, no official report filed because he downplayed the abuse and the officer who reported the abuse to was a huge kiddie porn guy. Number five, new info. Let me share some more thoughts about IBLP founder Bill Gothert. From a post on recovering grace, a website that exists to help people harm by the teachings of Bill Gothert, the Institutes and Basic Life Principles in the Advanced Training Institute. This comes from April of 2015, from a former member,

the post titled, The Brilliance of Bill Gothert. I found this really intelligently written. Bill Gothert created a cult, and he did a fine job of it. He didn't create a commune that physically isolated his followers from the rest of the world. He didn't lead weird sessions with chanting and candles. He didn't even come up with strange names for his teachings. He conducted his cult in the wide open view of the church, and for 20 or 30 years he was

wildly successful. What was so brilliant about his new approach to cult building? One it sounded innocuous, even boring. He didn't name his empire something like the Kingdom of Salt and Light, or God's White Army of Truth. No, he named his organization the Institute and Basic Life Principles. His homeschooling branch was the Advanced Training Institute. It's like he used a corporate name generator and chose the blandest options.

Who would hear those names and suspect it was crammed full of twisted scripture and damaging legalistic ideas? If the past 30 years is any indication, almost nobody. Two, his initial indoctrination wasn't held at secret meetings with the select few followers. He held massive seminars and taught thousands of people at the same time. Granted, he did warn people not to lend out the materials to people who wouldn't understand, but that made sense because this was a week-long seminar. Obviously, there were a lot of information that you couldn't just pick up from a red workbook.

Meanwhile, who would look at a city-wide seminar and think, cult? Three, he separated the young people from their parents and short-circuited communication between them, whether during apprenticeship sessions at seminars or in interactions with staff at training centers, he had direct access to our students. What he taught us was more extreme than what he said to our parents, but he used the same terminology. The result was that we and our parents often believed different things, but didn't know it because we used the same words. He taught our parents that any questioning from us was rebellion. At the

same time, he taught us to not give a bad report to our parents, so we didn't let them know about problems we saw. Meanwhile, he flashed that smile of his and said that he was building strong families. Who could object to that goal? For, he had no centralized church. There was headquarters, of course, with the reassuring ordinary Midwestern name of Oakbrook. But people didn't sell everything they owned, so they could live near Gother zone personal church, as many cult leaders encouraged. Instead, Gother disseminated his ideas through his homeschool program. He required memory families, member families to fall in line with the teachings, consistently conditioning them to isolate themselves, both spiritually and physically from the rest of the world.

Which resulted in his most brilliant method. 5. He made sure that his ideas became his followers ideas. It wasn't Mr. Gothard tells us to do this. It was, we have chosen to do this. That means when the teachings are challenged, it wasn't a challenge to goathered, it was a challenge to my personal belief system. We will fight for a revered leader to an extent, but we will often fight for our own beliefs until death. Even today, there is so much evidence of goathered's false teaching and appropriate behavior and refusal to deal with sin. It's difficult to explain how we are so damaged. All we can say is that we attended seminars and followed a certain homeschool curriculum.

It's named unremarkably, IBLP or ATI, and the teachings are couched in terms of seven basic principles, moral purity, stain under authority. It doesn't sound like anybody else has read about or seen on TV. Sounds pretty bland. In fact, innocuous, boring, and spiritually devastating. That is the brilliant legacy of Bill Gothert. And now the main torchbearer of that legacy might just be Jim Bob Dugger.

Former star of a show once considered the most wholesome, hit reality TV show in all of America. Time, Chuck, tough, five takeaways. The Dugger's Secrets has been sucked. Thank you to Olivia Lee for her initial research again this week. Next week, finally, we turn to a topic initially researched by Sophie Evans. Thanks to the space that's on Patreon for supporting this show. Add free episodes are here. Thanks to the team here, including Mr. Logan Keith, Yard Warlock for recording uploading this episode for distribution,

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it's a good one. Is there an enduring mystery where you're from, right? A crime that happened that nobody knows quite why. Something that people talk about over time that almost becomes more like a urban legend than something real. Something to pass around, feeling grief for the families of those involved,

but at the same time, glad that it didn't happen to you, where your loved ones, well, Cleveland has a wapper of one of those. Between 2002 and 2004, three women went missing in the same area of Cleveland, the name for Michelle Knight, Amanda Berry, and Gina De Hussus, young women between the ages of 14 and 21, girls who hadn't had amazing lives but had been for the most part normal young ladies, had friends, socialized, went to school, worked or jobs had families who loved them and then

one per year they all vanished and there was no sign as to where they might have gone. Their families knew they weren't runaways Michelle had a child a man had a family she loved same with Gina that closed friends dreams for the future were they killed if so why wasn't there a sign of other bodies anywhere why did they never appear in conjunction with other bodies found other killers arrested how never appear in conjunction with other bodies found, other killers arrested? How could the world have opened up and swallowed them whole? For years, the families of the young women held on, hoping against hope that their daughters and sisters

were still alive. But if they were still alive, that meant somebody somewhere was keeping them. And that would turn out to be true, along with so many horrifying facts about their captivity, that some of them seem hard to believe, starvation, beating, rape, horrifying facts about their captivity, that some of them seem hard to believe. Starvation, beating, rape, mutilation, mind games, and at the center of it all, a middle-aged

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