Timesuck with Dan Cummins - 378 - Zombies, White Camps, and Murder: The Story of Lori Vallow

Episode Date: December 11, 2023

I know - this episode is a long one! I tried to cut as much as I could that didn't feel relevant to tell this tale. I really did! There's just so much juicy stuff. So many strange, STRANGE details. Lori evolved, over the course of her adult life, from a manipulative person who was also very religious, into a murderous, manipulative person who became, essentially, the co-leader of a cult when she met her fifth and final husband, Chad Daybell. Chad had, over many years as an LDS author, created a fictional, apocalyptic world that he then later said was actually a real world based on his many prophetic visions of the future. Visions he was able to have thanks largely to two near death experiences. In Chad's vision of the world, there are lightworkers and zombies - angels and demons - continually battling for supremacy as we accelerate quickly into the End Times. And he and Lori were to gather 144,000 of God's most faithful and lead them into battle. And along the way, spells must be cast, zombies must be slayed, and, well, it's all just so insane. Hope you find this episode's subject matter as captivating as I did!Watch the Suck on YouTube: https://youtu.be/Fo7YD582ANAMerch: https://www.badmagicmerch.comTimesuck Discord!  https://discord.gg/tqzH89vWant to join the Cult of the Curious private Facebook Group? Go directly to Facebook and search for "Cult of the Curious" to locate whatever happens to be our most current page :)For all merch-related questions/problems: [e-mail] (copy and paste)Please rate and subscribe on Apple Podcasts and elsewhere and follow the suck on social media!!  @timesuckpodcast on IG and http://www.facebook.com/timesuckpodcastWanna become a Space Lizard?  Click here: https://www.patreon.com/timesuckpodcast.Sign up through Patreon, and for $5 a month, you get access to the entire Secret Suck catalog (295 episodes) PLUS the entire catalog of Timesuck, AD FREE. You'll also get 20% off of all regular Timesuck merch PLUS access to exclusive Space Lizard merch. And you get the download link for my secret standup album, Feel the Heat.

This week's episode feels like the other side of the same coin as last week's episode. Maybe that's why I was drawn towards wanting to tell it. Also I wanted to dig into this story because this tale is actually a much weirder side of the coin. Telling another story about a parent being involved in the murder of one or more of their children and just like Alec Murdoch last week, not seeming to publicly shaken up about it. What is the biggest social taboo you can think of? Is it killing your child or having your child killed by someone else?

In talking about so many heinous dirt bags over the years here, we've dealt with a ton of social taboos. Cannibalism, necrophilia, serial rape, extreme incest, and malastation, sexual attraction to gore or torture, and on and on. But we haven't had many stories centered around a mother murdering their children. Casey Anthony, I'm not convicted. I do believe she killed her daughter.

Bell Gunness, while we don't have any hard evidence, I think she killed several of her kids. And there's probably someone else we've covered I'm forgetting. But the point is it's rare. It goes against pretty much every image we have of mothers, of someone caring and kind, someone exceptionally nurturing, someone who would sacrifice anything for their child or children.

To much of the world, motherhood is a sacred role made iconic and religious figures like the Virgin Mary and Christianity, Durga, the Supreme Mother Goddess of Hinduism, Tera, or Tara, the mother of all Buddhas and Gaya, or Mother Earth, all of these figures embody compassion, purity, goodness. And it seems that most of us have an idea that mothers in general, even people who are still complicated and fallible, human beings, meat sacks like the rest of us, they usually want the very best for their children. And yet the tragedy of maternal, filicide, or child murder by mothers has occurred throughout

history and throughout the world. Usually based on research published in scientific journals, it happens most often as a result of psychosis. According to one study, mothers who murdered their children are often poor, socially isolated, full-time caregivers, who are victims of domestic violence or had other relationship problems, the stress compounded and compounded until they snapped. That will not be the case at all with today's subject. Laurie Valos, no victim. She seemed to have everything going for her. A beauty queen contestant from a wealthy family, she grew up in San Bernardino, California,

in a neighborhood described as country club like. She had so many advantages. She had a loving family, although maybe one member of her family, a little too loving, as we'll see, and the support of a solid LDS community. And although she seemed to run through husbands, pretty quick, the Perky blonde cheerleader S. Woman was able to charm her way into just about anything right up until her big first and final arrest. Overall, she lived a charmed life. She was even once a Perky contestant on Wheel of Fortune. She would have two children, Colby and Tiley, by her second and third husbands, and adopt a third child, a little boy named JJ, with her fourth husband. A lot of marriages, but she experienced a lot

of financial security. She lived in all kinds of places, from Texas to Arizona to Hawaii, often in big houses with swimming pools, all kinds of modern luxuries. And then in the middle of what seemed like her best marriage by far, Laurie started getting weird with her religious beliefs, like real, real weird, apocalyptic and well completely insane. She met others who shared a similar vision of her insanity or version and then things started to get so much weirder, dangerously weirder. She soon believed she was on an important mission from God,

one of God's chosen warriors, and to help God out a lot of people would need to die. A lot of zombie people. Buckle up for a wild ride this week. A true crime meets cult meets what the fuck is even going on in this story set largely right here in Idaho edition of Time Suck. This is Michael McDonald and you're listening to Time Suck. You're listening to Time Suck. Hey, happy Monday, meet-tacks. Welcome. So the cold is the curious. I'm Dan Cummins, Luke Suck Walker, president of the Charles Rams, he did give away fan club,

low country solicitor oversight committee chairperson, and you are listening to Time Suck. Hail Nimrod, Hail Lucifina, praise both Jangles and Glory B to Triple M. I had some episodes of me on some other podcasts and dropped recently, so check them out. Check me out on any letterman's any would and the Slar Brothers dumb people town,

also co-hosted by the very funny Daniel van Kirk. I had a great time on both shows, especially fun to reminisce about old times with Annie and hear her insane story of ruining an important sitcom writer's white couch with her period blood. Not kidding, actually. If you like some of my stories about more extreme things like sexual rendezvous with the banana in a grocery store bathroom, you will also love Andy's humor. I find her very funny.

And now let us begin. Let us explore a real fucking crazy, thankfully short-lived and very murderous Idaho-based cult. Cult. Cult. Cult. Cult. After a quick summary today of where a lot of the story happened, who the major players

were and what they believed I'll lay the story out fully in the timeline. Some of the most dramatic elements of this crazy story played out over the past few years in Rexburg, Idaho. About a seven hour drive from Suck Dungeon, around 470 miles from where I sit, which for those of us living in Idaho or just the Pacific Northwest in general, people used to long drives via the interstate or two lane highways between places. It's not really that far. Rexburg is a place you might go to stay while hiking in the nearby teetans Teton's Or just before you enter Yellowstone National Park about two hours away

Rexburg also Less than 30 miles from them. I from where my dad dwells get that dad Guy live in Idaho Falls past six or so years so close so conveniently close It's where the most heinous crimes of this story took place You know living there when these crimes occurred, I got a wonder to the police, at least question him for any of these crimes because I know for a fucking fact, he doesn't have an alibi for, you know, the times when a summer, maybe even all of these crimes took place. Oh, and I forgot to point out last week how dad watch could have really helped prevent

the crimes of Alec Murdock Had it existed in South Carolina's low country several years ago. Of course that dad did what he did this week Might want to uh, I want this what this might want to make us launch a mom watch as well What would what would mom watch? What would the acronym stand for? How about meticulously observing maternal women assholes trying to commit homicides? I feel like that plays. Anyway, Rexberg also home to one of the largest Mormon communities outside of Salt Lake

City and the largest N Idaho with an estimated 95% of the city's roughly 40,000 person population identifying as LDS. City also home to the BYU Idaho College campus, a school known as Ricks Academy, and then Ricks College for the first 99 years of its operation. Story played out among the community of fringe LDS members who believed that Rexburg would become a very important place in the end times, which of course, you know, we're fast approaching. And many of the cast of characters in today's story naturally believed that they would have major roles, very important people in the end times. It would become the saviors of Mormonism leading the 144,000 faithful to save the, to be

saved in these white camps. The number 144,000 mentioned book of Revelation has been interpreted in different ways by various denominations and doomsday groups or years and years and years. Latter-day Saints believed the 144,000 are high priests who will administer the everlasting gospel to the world in the last days according to the church's doctrine and covenants. The idea of 10 cities or cities of light, that's a common theme in the literature of the Latter-day Saint prophecy subculture, the term white camps made up by Lori's last and worst husband, Chad Daybell. And likely refers to white tents often seen in LDS people's visions thought to possibly

refer to the divine protection. These tent cities will receive during a, you know, big final apocalyptic battles. The idea of locating the site to weather the difficult time period, preceding the second coming of Christ as a revival of 19th century LDS efforts to gather in the Rocky Mountains for safety This concept of gathering in the latter days Saint tradition is how God protects the righteous during the apocalypse And no one was gonna be more righteous than Chattalore Chattalore both grew up and both grew up LDS and a lot of their ideas are rooted in some way in LDS beliefs But their version of these beliefs, you know, it's just it's so incredibly twisted

It doesn't end up having much to do with mainstream Mormonism beliefs at all Their beliefs wouldn't even really be based in the teachings of any FLDS fringe groups either Chad the source of all this shit just kind of came up with his own thing his own horrible thing and Laurie Loved Chad's thing. And you can interpret that in a variety of ways and it'll be true. She left all of Chad's things.

Laurie and Chad would belong to a small group of people, most of them women, who believed Chad Debel's visions wholesale. Debel claimed two near death experiences in his late teens and early 20s. He claimed that they left him with a special connection to the spirit world as an author. He later wrote about his experiences, including additional visions of the future, his connection allowed him to have.

Many of day bells fiction works focus on end of times, Doomsday, apocalyptic scenarios, floods and fires, the country erupting in the Civil War, et cetera. Much like the same kind of bullshit, other Doomsday motherfuckers we've covered have preached. But Chad's take on it all while sad, of course, because of the people who will die in the story also is highly entertaining. It was like this shit is so fucking ridiculous. It was like he and his followers were just constantly playing this improv game when they were coming up with Chad's bullshit where you just never

said no, no matter how ridiculous the idea was that you were supposed to riff off of. Like whatever crazy idea, anyone tossed out just got incorporated into the ideology. Just so much is yes and. Chad was a frequent guest at preparedness conferences and appeared on a lot of prepper podcasts, both being places where other LDS people desperate

to be stars of some apocalyptic, there's never been a more exciting time to be alive than now. Earth's final battle action flick flocked to hear about how to live through the apocalypse. And was it one of these conferences where Lori first met Chad and together they'd form a tight little circle around them of true believers, a circle of friends who believed all the fucking loopy zombie laden shit they were espousing. So what did they believe? Basically they all came to believe that they were reincarnations of biblical and real world figures, larger than life figures who had been brought to earth to fulfill God's mission and cleanse the world of evil. Totally. Of course they were.

God chose these fucking idiots to lead us in our final days. It's the same story over and over. Just a couple of fucking losers. The God's like, nah, these are the, these are the saviors. We've heard the story so many times and I never get tired of it. Still very entertained by the powerful elements of self-delusion and narcissism that just feed this particular ideology. You know, we are the most important people who have ever lived. And that is why God chose us. We Chad told it each world in our universe was created with a Satan figure and a savior. Or really multiple saviors and devils over the centuries, though of course Chad and

Laurie were the most powerful and final saviors that Earth would ever see. The fifth world in their idea of the universe was earth, which is in dire need of spiritual cleansing. And Lori, Chad and a few others, would purge this world's evil by well focusing really hard on it and talking about frequencies and vibrations and doing rituals and shit. Don't try and make too much sense of any of this.

A lot of these people are truly fucking idiots. And Chad is a shitty prophet who despite making a living as an author, it's actually a terrible writer whose books and prophecies are riddled with plot and logic holes and a lot of contradictory beliefs. These weirdos would end up believing that they could control the weather, throw psychic fireballs, cost thunderstorms and earthquakes, you know, and then these natural occurrences would then kill evil people and all kinds of other shit. Like these are the people who truly would believe that of course the Library of Alexandria was once full of powerful wizard fireball scrolls, lost a history until they figured out

how to do that kind of shit on their own. If you were savior, you could attain these powers because of your high vibrational level, which meant you were essentially light. Oh fuck yeah bro. Chad was mixing in some new age vibration talk into fringe LDS beliefs. I love it. You know, cooking up quite a cult stew of various wackadoodle notions. Dark meant unsurprisingly the opposite of, and anything dark was of the devil.

Classic traditional Doomsday Battle lines being drawn, right, light equals good, dark equals bad. I gotta keep the core belief simple, so that the peasants can easily digest the gist of this stuff. Chad came up with a scale of one to six to assign just how light or dark someone could be. At Lori Lori's request he wants emailed her about how this list worked globally and where her family members, you know fell in this list He sent her a chart It stated I just I just love by the way sending this not as a joke

Not as like I'm just being absurd, but like this is some real shit He sent her a chart that stated current numbers on earth at this time of each estate level These totals represent the light spirits. The dark has equal numbers. And then beneath this, he's got three columns. There's a state, males, and females. And basically a state just means level, right? So a state six, level six, the highest estate or level is only five males and two females, the seven most powerful light workers,, I guess five most powerful light workers on earth and then two fucking evil demon zombie like monster, like the big boss monsters. A state 5.3, I don't know why it goes from six to 5.3, zero males or females.

I don't even know why that level exists if no one's on it. State 5.271 males. Zero females. Ah, gah! Woo! Not more righteous men. Then there are righteous women apparently. State 5.133 males and only four females. Oh, that's awkward. State 4.3, jump down a bit, 700 males. Oh, but up. Okay. 1300 females, interesting to expect that shift. More good women than dudes on that level, but you know, but only there's only more women on the lower levels. Sorry, ladies. State 4.2, 7,000 males, 13,000 females, a state 4.1, 70,000 males, 130,000 females, a state 3, 700,000 males, 2.3 million females, and a state 2, billions of males and billions of females.

And there's not a one. There's not a state one. I'm not sure why that isn't there. But again, it's not like Chad was real worried about, you know, any of this making sense. Underneath the chart, Chad wrote, most LDS members are level two like level two light workers Most bishops and ward leaders are level three most stake presidents and general authorities are level four, okay? Most apostles are level five a few like a fewer level six and Also the dark can only match the light numbers not exceed them or repeats out there. That is why there are a few fives on earth right now

It limits the dark can only match the light numbers. Not exceed them or repeats that there. That is why there are a few fives on Earth right now. It limits the dark's power. Two's and three's are fluid and can change sides during Earth life. 41 and above have made covenants to their side. They really switch and that was the end of his message. You got that peasants? Then after laying out how this very logical and obviously correct system worked, he wrote to Laurie about where her family fit into all this He wrote that her first husband was a 2L

Okay, your base level good guy Right kind of like a fighting man generic good guy. That's fine. Her second husband 2D Not good just kind of a basic, you know Soldier of Satan. I'm very powerful like kind kind of like a, like a orc, I guess, maybe just a low level monster minion. Her son Colby, 3L, that's great. Nice. Bishop level God wizard. Colby's wife Kelsey, uh-oh, 3D. At the time of this email sent on October 30th, 2018, uh, Kelsey, every bit as wicked as Colby is good. And that was why Kelsey didn't like Lori, right?

Because she was a devil witch. Lori's third husband, 4.3 D holy shit. So much zombie in him. Lori's fourth husband, three L. Oh, okay. All right, another strong light worker. Her adopted son, JJ 4.2 L so good, but her daughter, Tiley, this is unfortunate. 4.1 dark spirit. It's very wicked. Powerful devil witch. Able to take on and maybe even destroy a state president's dangerous, probably can shoot fireballs or

at least raise the dead like some type of necromancer. Both Lori and Chad had reached, you know, of course, the highest level of lightness they were perfect sixes it's incredible also an odd number to associate with being super holy i mentioned the word zombie several several times now that's not random and chads belief system if you were dark you were some sort of demonic zombie once lorian chad identified anyone as a zombie they began using pseudonyms to refer to the evil spirits that possessed them and zombie fight them. Examples include Laurie's husband Charles Valo, who they would often refer to as Ned,

Garrett, or Hipplaus. Those were his demon zombie names. Tiley's evil spirit was called Hillary. Of course, obvious nod to Hillary Clinton. Not sure where the other names came from. I didn't know Ned was a big name and demonology or anything. Tammy Debel's dark spirit, Chad's wife, would be referred to as Viola,

another very interesting demonic name choice. To deal with these strangely named devil fucking zombie spirits, Lori Chad and the recycle would have prayer-like ceremonies, where someone would read forms of scriptures and encourage spirits to vacate the bodies of these people using the power of God. It was kind of like a remote exorcism, but one where you would also then have to find and kill the host later for some reason. Once a spirit was pushed out of a body during the casting, well, then the body must, you know, obviously naturally,

then be destroyed by being burnt, torn apart, bound sealed like suffocated so that the spirit couldn't, you know, come back into the body. Did I mention how dumb all this is? Some members of this little cult, Chad, apparently thought that this destruction portion was just metaphorical, you know, not so different from talking of reclaiming one's power or shutting out negativity, but for Laurie and Chad at least, and well, Laurie's brother Alex, not the case. They will literally get some bodies destroyed. Okay, one more thing now before we get into this weird ass fucking timeline. I'm going to deal with the big cast of characters today, and it's worth

introducing them all up top here in order to help, you know, reduce some confusion later on. So, first and foremost, we have Laurie Valow, the star of our show. She would also be known as Lori Cox, Lori Ryan, Lori Debel. Parents, Barry Lynn Cox and Janice Cox, so much Cox, not a single Richard. It today's suck, but plenty of Cox. It's all right, that wrong. Lori has two older brothers, Alex, Alex and Adam Cox, the Cox bros old double Cox, one older sister Stacy Cox, as well as a younger sister, summer Cox, the Cox girls, triple Cox, man, summer Cox, she never got teased for that name growing up, not fucking once. Lori was the biological mother of Colby and Tyler Ryan, the adoptive mother of J.J. Vallow. Colby, her oldest child, born October 8, 1996.

His dad was Lori's second husband, William Lajioa. Tyler was or Tyler was the second eldest born September 24, 2002. Her father, third husband, Joseph Ryan. Colby will never know his biological father and take Joseph's last name is his own. Joshua J.J. Vallow was the adopted son of Lori and her fourth husband, Charles Vallow born May 25, 2012, also the grandson of two other people who will show up in the timeline, Larry and Kay Woodcock. Cox and Woodcock in the same story.

It's got to be good. Okay, Woodcock by the end of this tale will also be Lori's ex sister-in-law. Her brother was Charles Vallow. Charles and Lori adopted JJ because he was family and partially due to him having a pretty severe autism. His parents were unable to take care of him. Lori's first husband before the father's of her children was Nelson Yanes, whom she married in 1991

and he got off lucky. Got off before the crazy really kicked in. She'd marry William LaGioa in 1995, lead by 1996. Also got off pretty lucky. He may have been a douche, but maybe not started to trust what she says about these people. And then following her fourth husband, Charles Valo, there was fifth husband, Chad Debel, his parents, Jack and Sheila Debel, and he has two brothers, Brad and Matt. his parents Jack and Sheila daybell and he has two brothers Brad and Matt. His first wife was a definite zombie Tammy daybell. The two were married in 1990 and they will have three kids Emma, Garth and Seth and those are the main characters and it's truly fucking shocking

how many of them end up dead in this story. Let me tell that story now starting with the marriage of Lori's parents. Right after today's first of two midshow sponsor breaks, the full catalog of AdFree episodes and more available on the TimeSuck Patreon. Thanks for listening, hope you heard some good deals, and now we'll enter this massive timeline. We're marching down a time some time line On November 19th 1965 18 year old Janice Conner Mary's 24 year old Barry Cox in San Bernardino, California Barry Cox not gonna lie pretty bummed his name wasn't Harry No way kids at school ever called him Barry Harry Cox grown up, that never happened. Janice Connor, now Janice Cox had small features

and a big bouffant of black hair. Now that I have cocks on the brain, it makes me think I just picture her head being just full of pubes, just a nice foliage of pubic hair, up top. She'd graduate from Eisenhower High School, Barry Cox was tall and thin. It could be described as long and hard. Somehow, I always landed in the very center of photos of the

San Bernardino High School's Acapella singing group where he was the leader of the base section of Barry Big Base, Harry Cox. The pair would live at home on North Sikamore Ave, long curving road that hugged the vast greens of the golf course at El Rancho Verde Country Club. People who grew up in the area called the neighborhood simply the country club. And through the 80s and 90s, it was considered to be where well-to-do families and members of Rialto's upper crust chose to live Rialto's button up next to San Bernardino. Many houses had a view of the course with the San Bernardino Mountains in the distance. Cox home was one level with the wide driveway for bedrooms, nice swimming pool and the backyard, living that California dream.

Janice will be a homemaker. Barry would make his money working in a life insurance agency as an estate tax collector. For a time, he worked for beneficial life insurance, which was owned and operated by the LDS church. And yes, the coxies were Mormons, big gaggle of Mormon cox, devout attendees at their local ward of the LDS church. And yes, the coxus were Mormons, big gaggle of Mormon cox, devout attendees at their local ward of the LDS church. But maybe not quite as conservative as some of the other members. Might have been, might have been some zombies in the Cox clan.

Janice sometimes would sunbathe alongside the pool as in where a bathing suit that would show off most of her tits and all of her upper thighs. What the heck, Janice? That cox lady like to live dangerously, I guess. Barry Harry Cox drove a flashy car with rabbit first seat covers. Okay. And the family often flew to Hawaii for lavish vacations where they would all show a lot of cox skin down at the beach,ing up to the very beginning of their marriage now, less than a year after they got hitched, Janice gave birth to her first child, daughter named Stacy,

rest of the cocksis would arrive in rapid succession, Alex in 68, Adam in 69, Laura, who died as an infant in 1971, Lori arrived in 73 as the second to last cocks, or is it cock summer born in the summer of 1975? Hence her name. And then I guess they finally felt like they had enough Cox living under one roof. Laurie was born Laurie Noreen Cox. June 26, 1973, the year after Laurie was born, Barry ran for city council in Ralezo, hoping to quote, reduce all unnecessary spending and also

make any mockery of the name Cox a fucking felony punishable by death. Or maybe just the first financial thing. He came in fourth place. This poor showing may have been due to Barry's fast and loose kind of Mormonism. Not everyone loved the ways these Cox lived their lives. Barry was often allowed at church in moments that were dedicated to silent worship. Shut the frick up, bear.

And neighbors recalled that he was gone a lot while Stacey, the eldest child, would be in charge of her siblings, even when Janice was still home. Janice probably too busy tanning her level three dark zombie tits out by the pool, aka Satan Sinpond. Cox children weren't allowed to do much and because they were different as one former classmate later recalled, most other kids did not like them. To the point that more than once the Cox is woke up to a

front yard covered in toilet paper. Cox is getting teapot. It didn't seem to affect Laurie as much as her siblings though. She was the most desirable cock. At Ben cold middle school, Laurie sang in the school choir wrote funny messages to her fellow singers in their yearbooks, such as, uh, have a great summer, PS, don't get pregnant. Oh, Laurie, how would that even happen if they weren't married? Well, it's silly goose cock you are. At the end of eighth grade, Laurie had blonde hair and chubby cheeks played on the church

softball team, which was coached by her mom. She also liked to lay out in the sun, make up dance routines with her friends. Soon she'd become a cheerleader at Eisenhower High. She was petite, made her a perfect flyer. Each year in yearbook photos, her hair became blonder, her bangs more teased, hair sprayed higher and higher. For the early 90s, she was seen as quite the catch. Hot California cheerleader blonde.

But she didn't let that go to her head apparently. According to most, she was kind and generous, doing things like driving her friends, a taco bell during lunch, pitching in, if they couldn't afford their gorditas or Mexican pizzas or whatever. She was faithful in addition to being a cheerleader getting up early to go to LDS classes before school.

But by the time Lori was in high school, if not before, things started to get a little weird in the Vallow home. Maybe this was where Lori started to go off the rails mentally a bit. First, there was a lot of stress and anxiety in the Cox home over money. The Cox has stopped paying federal income taxes

when Lori turned 15. Just didn't feel like they had the money. Just stopped making the payments. Didn't make any payments at all in 1988, 89, 90, and they'd skip other years later on as well, quite a few years, and the federal government does not take too kindly to that. Not totally surprised that the cox's stop paying taxes.

I mean, you may recall from the School of Profit Suck episode 371 that there is more resistance to the demands of a secular government from within certain LDS circles, and there are from the members of most other Abrahamic religious sex here in the states. Mary Cox in addition, not paying taxes for three years broke the law further when he made a false statement to the IRS about his taxes. And then after serving as his own attorney, rarely a good idea. He would serve jail time for this and have to pay some massive fines. Cox's could have lost everything. I wonder Lori, you know what she was hearing at home during her formative years about how

unfair all of this was, how the government had no right to do what they did to the Cox family, how the laws of man were evil, not godly. They could have taken her swimming pool for fuck's sake. Then as a junior and senior Lori dated Nelson Yanes, a popular attractive boy, and he get to more weirdness in a second in the Cox home. They were beautiful couple, according to most who knew them. And the two ran off to Las Vegas to get married right after graduating, which Barry was not happy with. Lori's older brother, Alex, too, was married for a short time around this period to a

woman named Debbie, but then that relationship fell apart because of crazy dynamics, she would say, in the Cox family the Cox family and they are crazy. In 2020, Debbie will tell police in Arizona, quote, there was a lot of inappropriate sexual touching and things going on in the family, particularly between Alex and a sister, Laurie. Debbie said they simulated sex acts, read a police report. Alex would pick up Laurie, and she would wrap her legs around his waist. Alex would bounce Laurie up and down on himself.

This was done in front of Debbie. And he would often refer to his sister as hot. The officer wrote, Debbie did not think Alex was sleeping with Laurie, but he had the liberty to touch her. Touch her? Touch her how? Fondle her breasts?

Put his hands up her skirts? What the fuck exactly was going on between these two? Right, they're doing this as young adults, not little kids who don't understand, you know, what they're doing. What else might have been going on between other members of the family was Barry, sexually abusing his kids?

Or was this just specifically an Alex and Lori weird thing? And going forward, their relationship will get so fucking strange. Before, I even knew about Debbie's report, when I watched a Netflix docu-series about all this called Sins of Our Mother came out in September of 2022, I wanted if Alex and Lori had some sort of incestuous relationship. Just the energy between them did not feel at all to me

like normal sibling energy. I am purely speculating, but if I had to bet one way or the other, I would bet that they did fuck from time to time, or at least engage in some heavy petty, some hard dry-humping. Laurie's first marriage didn't last long, less than a year. Wonder if Nelson was troubled by Laurie's closeness with Alex as well. Berry then helps his daughter start a new life, buying her Honda CRX, helping set her up with a place to live in Austin, Texas, where she would then become a hairdresser. Now let's change focus for a bit and meet the fucking psychopath who will later become Lori's fifth husband and a real world destroyer.

March 9th 1990 that day 21 year old Chad Debel, Mary's 19 year old, Tamara Tammy Douglas. Mary's 19 year old tomorrow Tammy Douglas Chad was originally from Springville, Utah growing up on an avenue of brick homes with well-tended gardens and American flags proudly flying out front Springville 50 miles south of Salt Lake City just south of Provo Around 80% of the residents at this time were LDS Both the Chad's parents had attended Springville High Jack was a member of the future farmers of America And his younger girlfriend Sheila Chestnut was a part of the varsity chirlion squad. The pair hastily married before Jack was drafted to fight and Vietnam in the mid 60s and left for a naval base in San Diego.

Once Jack's naval service was over, the family returned to Springville, where he took a job at the nearby Geneva steel plant as an electrician and Sheila gave birth to Chad and four more kids, Paul Matt Braden-Rbecka. From a young age, Chad was fixated on death. Started when a third grade classmate of his died suddenly and violently when a cave he was exploring collapsed and crushed him. Fourth grade, he wrote a little kid novella titled The Murder of Dr. J and his assistant. His teachers would praise his creativity. In middle school, Chad nearly shot his brother Matt's death on a hunting trip.

When they were trying to rustle up some fesins, in fact, he did pull the trigger while the gun was apparently pointed at Matt, but no round fired. Chad and his family would go on to think this was a divine miracle. You know, Matt's life was spared by God. No miracle would come to stop Chad being bullied in middle school, though. Matt at the world after being picked on, he apparently made a habit of killing bees on his walk home. The bullies would pick on Chad and then Chad would, you know, kill the bees.

Okay. And one time while killing bees, he claimed he first heard the voice. Yep. Later, right about the voice extensively, how it scolded him, counseled him, reminded him when he went to stray. Sometimes he gave him direction, sometimes he gave him militaristic commands. And he said he never disobeyed the voice. So what was this? Was this mental illness? Religious belief, something akin to an imaginary friend? Just a nice way to avoid taking responsibility for your own actions. The voice made me do it.

At the age of 14 Chad would receive a patriarchal blessing, a right administered to baptize members of the LDS church. The blessing declares their lineage gives them personalized instructions from God. Despite this blessing being considered very private, Chad would describe it in his memoirs. He said, provided needed guidance at a time when he felt dejected, depressed, obsessed with Billy Joel, so with the good die young, believing that maybe his life on this earth would be short. He wrote that the blessing made it clear I had a long, wonderful life ahead of me. He would serve a mission of 10 college, Mary, a wonderful woman, have children, and

enjoy spiritual gifts that will be made known to me in later life that I would cultivate to blessed the lives of others. Some of those gifts would manifest in just three years. On a warm day in 1905, when Chad was 17, he stood on the edge of a 60 foot tall cliff at flaming gorge reservoir in northeastern Utah, about to take a leap that he later would say changed the trajectory of his life. At the exact second, his feet left the earth and his body dropped toward the water, he wrote about how it was as if a door opened below him. And he fell right through it into another place, into another dimension. And he wasn't even high when this happened.

When he hit the water, he wrote, it felt like I had slammed into concrete. Shock went through my entire body and I saw a flash of white light. I felt an audible pop at the base of my skull and thought, oh no, I broke my neck. At the top of the skull, he claimed he can now feel his spirit starting to exit his body, spilling out to the crown of his head, but then luckily, he got a snack on some of his skull. His spirit did in the process of his body. It's like a bubble or something, like a sack and he got snagged on some skull.

I thought, ah, it sucks, you know. I hate it when your spirit gets snagged on some skull. I fuck out, sucks, you know. I hate it when your spirit gets snagged on something. Most of the time I hate it. I'm gonna tell you though, one day, when my spirit got snagged, it saved my ass. I was 19 or 20 in a bathroom, and I was throwing up so much from a case alcohol poisoning. And I almost puked out my spirit,

but thanks, the Lord, it got snagged on a piece of ham and cheese hot pocket That I just tried to eat a few minutes earlier and I didn't properly chew and a big chunk of ham and cheese and some bread got stuck in my throat when I was puking Which was scary? But then my spirit got snagged on that ball of hot pocket and it was a fucking miracle And minutes later, minutes later I started shit in my brains out. And another chunk of barely digested hot pocket got stuck in my bottle and my spirit got snagged on that tube and tried to exit me from the other hole. Twice that partially digested hot pockets saved my soul that night.

And doctors say hot pockets are bad for you. Sometimes they can save your soul. Anyway, enough about my spiritual true story snagging. Let's talk more about Chad's true story snag. Due to his spirit, getting such a fucking dumb concept, due to spirit getting snagged, it was unable to fully detach from his school, okay?

But most of it had already come out of his head. And all of this allowed him to be alive in this physical world dimension, but also because most of his spirit is out, be able to see into the rest of the spirit world. As the outer world mostly fell away from him, a new one around him was mostly opening, like a giant eye waking from sleep and he was its pupil, he would say. This was the other side of the veil he wrote Where Chad saw an endless white plane spreading in all directions as warmth and music filled the air. Oh, man One of that music was was mostly harps if it was mostly harps

Then this might have been a heavenly vision But if there was some percussion well, then he was ho ho he was led astray Right we learned all about how bad drums are in the dugger suck. Not today, Satan. Did you know that Logan Keys plays the drums a lot? Yeah, a lot. It's fucked up. Part of the reason I haven't told him yet, but it's part of the reason he's a 4.3 level dark fucking zombie devil entity right now. It is, let me take a second to talk about this. It is honestly Amazing that I'm able to keep these podcasts coming out every week with all the fucking zombies. I have to deal with constantly Lindsay

5.1 level dark zombie powerful Not submissive at fucking all which Kyler my son son, level two Dark Zombie, which actually is kind of a fun energy to be around. Monroe, 4.3 level Dark Zombie, Lindsay's a witch protege, two of them together, unbearable. Penny and Gigi, my dog, Penny's a level, 4.3, Dark fucking wizard zombie dog, who won't listen,

who will not submit to my authority. She's a fluffy little zombie brat, who does what she plays is. And Gigi, ginger bell, little ditty dumb drop, level three, light worker. She is the best, but I fear Penny will destroy her because in addition to being sweet, she is very dumb. Tyler here, Tyler see? Level 4.1, light worker.

However, he does have pretty dark skin. Does that mean he's more susceptible to turning into a dark zombie? It is something I can't really worry about! I'm clearly a level six light worker. I had to stay fucking I had to stay so powerful to rise above all the zombie negativity around me. Anyway Before check see anyone of the celestial dimension a friend swam out and pulled into safety and somehow him getting pulled to safety, I guess maybe his friend like stuffed his spirit back in his school or something. Then over the next week, he said his right eye would occasionally go blind. Whoa.

He believed that was a sign that the experience he'd had that he'd literally fallen through to another dimension and seen stuff the rest of us can't see had been real. I was thinking the same thing. Is I paid the price or something? Who the fuck knows what really happened? He probably hit the water hard enough to give himself a concussion. Lost consciousness for a few moments, had some weird dreams, jumped his brain up, loose up some wiring, maybe the little wiring was connected to his eye or something. Chad believed he had an ND, he had a NDE, a near death experience. And then despite his powerfully spiritual near death experience, life as usual resume for chat. He made good grades at Springville

High, played baseball. I was in the National Honor Society, served on the student council as treasurer, won a scholarship to BYU, where he planned to study journalism. He loved music, especially the Smiths. Didn't see that coming. I also love the Smiths. Their 1986 album, The Queen Is Dead, considered by some prominent music critics to be one of the best, if not the best album of all time actually. Chad made friends easily but was unlucky romantically because he was a fucking dork. He's been described by some sources as being a quote, chubby dork. During his first year at BYU, Mormon girls, he went on dates with conservative Mormon

girls told him that he was too sheltered. One girl told him there's more to life than Utah Valley. Perhaps because of this sentiment, Chad decided to file paperwork to serve his mission early. You got accepted and you left school after a year. By the time he embarked on his Mormon mission, Chad claims he had read the Bible front to back nine times and the Book of Mormon 18 times. My God. Most kids, they read the Book of Mormon once, maybe the Bible.

His brother Brad Debel said later, you could ask him anything and he would know the answer. How many times have we seen this with cult leaders before? Most of them become scholars of the religion, their're, they're cult spawns out of kind of like David Kuresh. Right? Kuresh had the Bible virtually memorized by the time he was 18, doing shit like that goes a long ways to legitimize these quacks. Right? They must be speaking the truth because they're so familiar with scripture. Chad took crash courses in Spanish, then embarked on a two-year mission in New Jersey. Not the destination I was expecting to hear about following the two years in Spanish. Chad will say it was an enlightening experience and one that told him he wanted nothing to

do with big city life. I wish I knew how much he was harassed on that mission. I'm guessing so much. After New Jersey, he came back home to Springville and BYU and now set out on a new mission of finding a wife. One day he flipped to his younger brother Springville and BYU and now set out on a new mission of finding a wife. One day, he flipped to his younger brother Springville high yearbook, noticed a girl in a white V-neck dress with a thin gold chain around her neck, her light hair cut into a pixie-like,

why known a writer or Jamie Leed Curtis haircut. Her name was Tammy Douglas. I love that he went to his fucking brother's high school yearbook, right? Clearly the college girls still don't interested in this fucking dork. So he's like, well, maybe I can fucking talk's high school yearbook. Clearly the college girls still don't interested in this fucking dork. So he's like, well, maybe I can fucking talk a high school girl and go now with me. At a singles night held at a local LDS get together,

Chad noticed Tammy across the gym on the other side of the volleyball net. I'm gonna spike it in your face. She playfully told him she was flirting and he liked it. That Springville High, Tammy was a high achiever as well. A member of the National Honour Society, the band, the Spanish club, the yearbook staff. After Chad had returned home from his mission, he had taken a job digging graves in the cemetery,

managed by the local parks department. He did graves for about two years, and then two of his younger brothers would go on to also get grave digging jobs. Is that where he started to think about zombies when he was a grave digger? The novelty of this job was not lost on the inspiring writer and Chad who made it the subject of his first memoir, One Foot in the Grave. Published in 2001, the book is presented as something of a how-to guide to getting along with the person digging a grave for your loved one. Very, very specific niche. While Chad was digging graves, Tammy had turned out also work for the Parks Department

as a secretary, not a fellow grave digger. After their encounter with the volleyball game, she started a hand delivering burial reports to the graveyard, hoping to run into the sweet grave digging little guy. She now had a crush on me. What girl doesn't love a sweet cemetery, Dweller. They soon started talking then dating. Then they were engaged the day before Thanksgiving, 1989. They'll be married at the man tie temple an hour and a half away in the mountains. Meanwhile, while finishing up his degree at BYU, Chad gets some stories about death and religion

and very little else published by the universe, the BYU student newspaper. After graduating, he considers applying for grad school at Utah State University, but the voice returns and tells him not to. He said, the voice told him, quote, you won't need additional schooling to accomplish your life's mission. Is he paving a path to avoid taking responsibility for horrible actions with this voice shit? Right? Like I said earlier, I didn't do it.

The voice, I didn't want to. The voice made me. You know, I had to listen to the voice. Denying the voice would be like Abraham, denying the commandments of God. Feels like in my gut, that's what he's doing here. Tammy gave birth to the couple's oldest son, Garth, 1992, and by the following year,

Chad is now working as a copy editor at the Ogden Standard Examiner. Then in 1993, while on vacation, Chad were claiming the voice, told him to go into the thrashing ocean and cling to a rock, which he did. Merced in saltwater, barely hanging on the consciousness. Chad said he now experiences seconds NDE, one that sure seemed highly avoidable.

And his first true religious vision, he would say, two men appeared in his personal revelation, two pioneering Utah ancestors. And they asked if Chad would complete a series of tasks. And righteous and obedient Chad said, of course, yes, yes, of course I will. Then he came back into his body, stumbled towards the shore, and his wife now rushed this idiotic delusional drama queen to the hospital. Going forward, Chad will now claim he can see glimpses of the future, like his son getting hit by a car in the K-Mart parking lot, which was avoided by Chad telling his wife, and then she didn't take him to Kmart that day or something shit.

You know, probably would have never happened. Even if it would have happened, pretty sure, you know, I was almost hit by a car and Kmart parking lot once. Pretty sure almost every kid who has been taken to big parking lots as a toddler, a fair amount of time since it's been almost hit by a car. A lot of Chad's glimpses have been focused on death. And now let's catch up with Laurie. When we last left Laurie, her first marriage had just ended and she was living in Austin, Texas, working as a hairdresser. In October of 1995, still living there, the 22 year old will briefly marry again to William,

Lajioa in Austin. According to court records, the pair had begun dating shortly after she moved there from California. At the wedding, she was around three months pregnant. We weren't in favor of him. Janice Cox, her mom will later tell 2020. Few months after the wedding, things were already falling apart. Little is known about La Geo, but in the criminal complaint Lori later filed, she said her husband was manipulative, deceitful, and drunk all the time. She led, she had been physically abusive to her during the entirety of their relationship and during her pregnancy, he had threatened to snap my neck and kill the baby if I ever called the police again to have him arrested. Her biggest mistake she said was initially forgiving all of Laggio is sins. If if he did any of that,

she is so full of shit. As we'll see, I have a doubts about basically all of her claims. On April 8, 1996, she gave birth to a boy who she named Colby Jordan on hospital forms. Sorry, some sources say October 8, some sources say April 8, 1996, a little tough to confirm Colby's birth date. 1996 seems to be the agreed upon year. On hospital forums, Laurie did not list anyone as the boy's father. She was still kind of seen a Lodgeo, who was believed to be Colby's biological dad, but he hadn't converted to the LBS church yet, which greatly annoyed her. She would write, I pray that he would accept my religion repent of his carnal, selfish and sensual behavior and become a Christian.

The marriage crumbled soon after Colby's birth, over before it ever really started. This all came at a tough time for the Cox family. Laurie's parents were still fighting the IRS, also her older brother Alex, possible fuck buddy, possible brother with benefits. That too fucked up of a term for him had become excommunicated from the LDS church over sexual promiscuity. And her sister Stacey also getting a divorce. Interestingly, in that divorce her husband Steve Cope would write about the family. Like Alex's ex-wife, he would write about the Cox's dysfunction.

Cope wrote in a court document seeking temporary custody of his daughter, her family was a psychological hornet's nest. He referenced a stacey and stated that her father suffered from some sort of undiagnosed mental ailment and that her mother, quote, is obsessed with issues of weight, physical appearance, and feminine bodies. I do not want Melanie. That was his daughter to be exposed further to them. What was going on in this family?

Once as described during the lengthy divorce and custody proceedings between Steve and Stacey Cope, Barry Cox showed up at the Home Depot where Cope worked and proceeded to shove him up against a wall by his neck and started yelling about Mormon scripture. Barry Harry Cox also then stuffed marriage, disillusioned papers down Steve's shirt before someone watching called 911 and he left.

All of this seems to have had a terrible effect on Stacy's mental health, or maybe her childhood had already, you know, pretty messed up, pretty bad. Steve couldn't figure it out, but he felt it was clear, something bad was going to happen to her and that her family would have a role in that. By the spring of 95, Steve Copa was worried

that his wife was trying to kill herself. She once spoke to her parents on the phone and then told him, quote, and we agree it's my time to go. Fucking what? Talking to your parents about like, hey, I'm feeling like I should, uh, maybe off myself, like, we were thinking the same thing. Uh, she didn't wonder how loud how, or wondered out loud how much insulin she would have to take to slip into a coma and die.

Ultimately, Steve will get full custody of his daughter. Uh, what he will never get, he'll later state is an understanding of exactly what the fuck was going on in his ex-wife's family, but something bad. In the spring of 1998, Barry Harry Cox, Janice Cox, Laurie and her son Colby, as well as her younger sister, Summer went on a vacation in Hawaii as the family had done several times previously. This time would not nearly be, would not be nearly as relaxing as previous trips. Surely after they arrived, they received a phone call from Laurie's oldest brother, Alex loves his sister the wrong way Cox. He said he had gone to his parents

house to check on Stacy and found her unconscious. Or based on what Alex will get up to later, maybe Alex was the reason she was unconscious. Maybe he killed his sister. Stacey was rushed to the hospital. Her ex-husband Steve and daughter Melanie rushed to be with her, but Stacey would never wake up and would die at the age of 31. Later Steve will tell police that Alex had taken Stacey's credit cards shortly before her death and racked up $17,000 in unpaid charges. Strange and very suspicious, extremely suspicious considering who he becomes later

And he may have already been that guy now 25 year old Lori meanwhile still in Texas navigating life as a single mom She's still working as a hairdresser. She's moved to San Antonio now where her parents also just moved One of Lori's regulars was a 43 year old former Navy man named Joseph Ryan The two hit it off and he agreed to convert to Mormonism for her. In 2021, 28 year old Laurie and Joe get married on a beach in Maui, husband number three. Next year, they welcome a baby girl, Tiley, Ashlyn, Ryan. And now let's check back in with Chad. By 2003, Chad and Tammy Debel had made publishing their

family business. The couple co wrote a series of four children's books called Tiny Talks, The book was published by Cedar Fort, a popular Utah publisher of predominantly LDS literature, where Chad worked from 2001 to 2004 as a managing editor. The daybells books were sold in LDS bookstores, including Deseret book. Chad's own first knowledge was the first to be published in the book. The book was published by Cedar Fort,bell's books were sold in LDS bookstores, including Deseret book. Chad's own first novel and errand for Emma became such a best seller, at least regionally,

that he and his family hit the road for a promotional tour of readings and book signings throughout Utah and Southern Idaho. Things are going really well for Chad until 2003, when his writing landed him in some hot water with the church. In his new book, Chasing Paradise published by an imprint of Cedar Fort, a warrior angel, dropkick somebody through a wall.

And then that scene was deemed too irreverent for Desiree Book's taste. A store's book buyer declined to order the book upon discovering this very violent scene. When Chad found out Chasing Paradise would not be placed on shelves at Deseret Book, he was fucking irate. He considered himself a super Mormon, more devout, more committed than most. He took the news hard, very hard, believing he'd been singled out, was being persecuted,

instead of just accepting that someone, subjectively decided his book was tonally off for an LDS bookstore. Chad said in an interview at the time, is this a new standard, no swearing, no sex, and now no conflict? Then Chad received some tougher feedback about his book. An executive at Deseret books said that Chad's novel, it wasn't about the dropkick. It was, it was simply just not of high enough quality to be sold there, right? So it wasn't about violence,

it was about, they thought his books sucked. Creative work, man, stop that way. I get it. I've had many, a project it shot down over the years, because various execs just didn't think it was very good. In response to the rejection in 2004, the daybells founded Spring Creek Book Company, publishing imprint of their own. One that gave Chad, you know, the artistic freedom to write whatever he wanted without editorial oversight. And to contact other authors, especially once, who had also had near death experiences, complete with religious visions, in particular, apocalyptic visions of the future. And a lot of this kind of author did exist at this time. A new wave of several Mormon writers had been claiming since the late 90s, not just to

have visited the spirit world, but to have had visions of the imminent collapse of the United States in particular. In 1999, an author named Gail Smith wrote of her visions of economic collapse and earthquakes along the Wasatch front. Don't remember that happening. While other visionaries had described the breakdown of social ties, historian Christopher Blyce says, Smith's vision was set apart by its portrayal of violence, cannibalism and rape, occurring in the Mormon homeland, not pulling punches in her vision. In this chaotic future, she believed the federal government would declare martial law on Utah. There would be a roundup of guns, destruction of food stores and a ban on prayer.

Anyone who resisted would be killed or put into a camp. There would be a plague and a nuclear attack. Russia and China would invade the US. And then a bunch of people would get raped and eaten and stuff and heads would be put on sticks and fucking old ladies would get kicked down the street and dogs would rape cats and whatever was going to evil was going to happen. It was going to happen to a lot of people. Sarah men and another popular NDA personality wrote of similar calamities in her 2002 book There Is No Death. She saw coming apocalypse of bioterrorism,

rioting, mad max style gangs, roaming the US in search of new victims to fucking eat and tape their eyeballs to their foreheads or some shit. Families would turn on each other, men would kill their wives and children for food and water, mothers would kill their children minute for saw.

And she too gained a large following, right? Cause fear fucking cells Not quite as good as sex but close and This was the kind of shit the Chad was interested and now we check back within with the with the cox's What are these cox up to by May 2004 Barry and Janice cock I Was there I was their last name was cock like instead of the cocks, why can't one family just be named COCK the cocks? Uh, baron jen have we're having more tax trouble.

They owed more than $300,000 in my back taxes now. Because they just kept not paying federal taxes because they're fucking idiots. And they had no intention of paying this money back. They just kept filing motions claiming that the federal government did not have a right to take their money. And then didn't have a right to take their property in order to pay the debts that they now had because they didn't pay taxes and the government strongly disagreed turns out paying taxes is you know not really optional

also turns out that if you keep refusing to pay the government can and will fuck your life up quite a bit uh... the cox has had taken their had their homes to be taken from them over this they were forced off of their property. Their house was sold. The sale of the house only shaved off $114,000 of the taxes they owed. So now they have no house and they still owe around $200,000.

Barry Cox now sues the US Department of the Treasury. He wrote in a complaint, Barry L. Cox is a natural born citizen of the United States. The evidence proving the IRS is a fraud. A lot of capital letters is compelling and sufficient. IRS malfeasance is rampant and partially responsible for the Tea Party movement. The collection of federal income tax is a sham. And look, I get the sentiment. I fucking hate the existence of the IRS. I truly do. I think that oftentimes they behave more

like an organized crime syndicate than a needed tool of a just government. And I wish, right, if we're not gonna provide citizens with free healthcare, maternal and paternal paid leave or paternity leave, you know, maternity leave, free daycare, free college educations, if our income taxes are not going to go to a government that actually takes care of its citizens then i wish we could figure out how to have a government funded only by property sales import export vice taxes luxury payroll capital gains taxes

etc. but that's not reality and i know the federal government would fucking destroy me if i stop paying income taxes so you, you know, I pay him. Barry didn't feel the same way. Barry was much like his daughter will be a delusional. Someone who thought that the laws did not apply to them because they're special, I guess.

Also in 2004, Laurie Cox, now 30 years old, has changed her name to Laurie Ryan, adopting the surname of her third husband. She also appeared on Wheel of Fortune. Wonder if Pat SayJack did anything to her. We've talked about that mother fuckers, dirty, dirty, dirty deeds. Here before, dirty, dirty deeds I completely made up years ago. Laurie did pretty well in the show.

She introduced, was introduced as Laurie Ryan from Austin, Texas, a hair stylist in Austin. And she said, I have a wonderful husband, Joseph at home, who was watching our two beautiful children, Colby, who was seven, and Tyler, he was one. And she takes second place and win $70,500. And she also felt like God wanted her to win on the wheel of fortune, totally. Right? That feels like the kind of shit that God worries about, game shows. Lori already starting to weird out her also very religious siblings and friends with an increasing amount

of talk about her special relationship with God. Everything she does, everything that happens is a sign of this or that proof that God has some kind of special plan for her. At same year, she also competed in the Mrs. Texas Beauty pageant as Mrs. Hayes County, because God wanted her to show off them pennies. Come out. The devil wants you to keep him hidden.

The Lord wants them to see the light. Show off those titties. She would show off her tone, curvy body and a teal bikini and silver high heels as the Lord wish. To me, it feels a little satanic, a little zombie influenced, right? Feels like she wanted a lot of guys who were not her husband to fantasize about how fun it will be to ride her hot little used bike down the hill and off some ramps.

By this time the Ryan family had created a life of luxury for themselves, living in the custom 4,500 square foot house. That's a big house. With the curving staircase, long driveway, man made pond in the backyard. But her husband Joe was maybe a terrible dude, but probably not.

But maybe his sister once saw him drag Colby upstairs and beating with something, apparently, but by something I think she just heard some discipline. In an interview in 2020, Colby would confirm this and say that Joe Ryan also sexually abused him. But we will later see that that claim may, if not likely, fabricate it. August of 2004, Laurie files for divorce and a fierce battle follows. During one recess at the Courthouse in Travis County, Texas, Laurie claims that Joe Ryan hitter and then he was arrested for assault. But would he be found guilty? No, he would

not. Investigators starting to doubt how truthful Laurie is about well fucking anything. Investigators who worked on the case noted that it appeared Lori engaged in a pattern of taking her children from professional to professional in an effort to quote, get a statement, right? Get the statement that she wanted. There were a lot of indications that her children had been coached by her about their story of sexual abuse. So Colby, maybe not sexually abuse.

Lori will definitely reveal, excuse me, reveal herself later to be wildly manipulative. This investigation will also expose how batshit crazy Lori is becoming her religious beliefs continued to become more radical. By 2007 Lori had told one examiner that she fully believed that her daughter Tiley was the reincarnated spirit of her deceased sister Stacy Cope. The advocate noted her belief system is riddled with ghosts and seemingly fanatical religious dogma. Court experts concluded during a 2007 jury trial that Joe Ryan not a danger to his daughter and split custody was arranged. And that would not have

happened. If the court determined the Joe was some violent pedophile, not saying for sure he wasn't. I certainly wasn't there. During all of this, I just again do not fucking trust the claims of Lori or even of anyone having the influence by Lori like her son Colby. August 5, 2007, Jill Ryan ceases four year old daughter for the first supervised visit in a year at a facility in Austin because Lori was making it real hard for him to have these visits. After the visit with Tyler, he was told to wait for 15 minutes before going

outside a precaution instituted for all parents to allow the children to leave safely without any threat of an incident in the waiting room. Ryan struck up a casual conversation with the woman. After we're Ryan walked outside of the parking lot was putting things into his car when a man dressed head to toe in dark clothing approached him and said, I'm Alex, we need to talk. And then immediately this Alex guy fires a taser into Joe's chest. Joe collapses to the ground, fracturing his wrist and as Joe screams, Alex calmly walks

away. This Alex, of course, is Laurie's brother. Old Bubba Dry Humps, maybe Bubba Wet Humps. OG Jamie Lannister, if you get that reference, Bubba Humps will be sentenced to 90 days in jail. Later Alex will tell his side of the story from the stage at a comedy club in Glendale, Arizona. During a standup set, he performed on a Saturday night.

Yeah, he's dabbling a standup now. Mostly open mic shit. You ever had something you knew was the right thing to do, but it turns out that later on it was a felony. Cox asked the crowd, which erupted in laughter. This is a true story. I found out my ex brother-law was a pedophile. So I took a stun gun and I discharged it right in his nuts sack. I did. I mean, he hit him in his chest, but you know whatever, little

embellishment for comedy, the audience kept laughing. He apparently did not share any material about dry hump and his sister in front of his ex wife. It's harder to sell jokes about that premise. From jail, Alex wrote his friend Mary Tracy a letter telling about his life in jail. He asked her for a favor. He said he wanted her to call his mom. Asker to put Joe's address on a postcard and his license plate number. I think it will be popular in here. He said, trying to get some fellow inmates to do something to Joe, who he is telling is a pedophile when these guys get out. In another letter, he asked Tracy for a picture of Joe Ryan saying some of the guys would

like to hang out with him. Years later, one woman would tell a police that Laurie asked her brother to attack Joe once he got out, attacking him a lot more aggressively. This woman said that Laurie, quote, had told me that she hired her brother to kill Joe. Because of stuff he did to her children, Joe is going to die for what he did. People don't get away from stuff like that. But did he even do anything? I don't think he probably did. Adam Cox, Laurie and Alex's brother told a similar story to the police saying Laurie and Alex planned Joe's death. And Laurie found out and Laurie found out Joe molested her kids.

Supposedly, and Alex got upset and Alex said, I'll take care of him. They planned out how they were going to kill Joe. I was going to taser him, throw him in the trunk and take him out to a field and shoot him and then bury him. There's something wrong about Laurie and Alex. He told the police. I find Adams take care interesting how he adds the words supposedly to, you know, Laurie finding out Joe, Melissa, the kids seems like he didn't take Laurie at her word and he makes

it clear that he thinks something is wrong with both Lori and Alex. How long did he think that? Did he start to think that? Back when they were all kids and Lori and Alex were doing weird sexual shit. Also, by the time this is all happening, Lori has already remarried again.

Really seems to not be too worried about how many miles she's putting on her bike. Oh, but the bike reference is confusing. It comes from the Dougher family episode, patriarch Jim Bob, very worried about his daughter's bikes, AKA bodies, being ridden by more than one due. Because, you know, a woman's worth is based almost entirely in her lifetime number of dicks.

That, you know, that makes sense. February 24, 2006, Laurie had gotten married to Charles Vallow in Las Vegas, husband number four, he was a 49 year old financial planner. She was a 32 year old gold digging wacky, little brother fucking psychopath or something. I'm not totally sure which he was this point in the story other than an insane person who has now been married four times by the age of 32. Vallow was a former college baseball player.

He had big muscles and a big truck, like to live a big wealthy lifestyle. Lori was according to some sources of trophy wife of his, who mostly wanted to make trips to Hawaii when she pleased. And they were what each other wanted apparently, or at least thought they were at first. Charles converted to Mormonism to play Kate his new wife, both had children from previous marriages, Lori had Colby and Tiley, and Charles had two boys.

They've asked in some articles. I've read to have their names, real names not used. So I'll respect that wish here as well. Both Charles and Lori were locked into a custody battle with their former spouses. Interestingly, Charles X wife, Charles Wheeler would tell the court that Charles would often mix drugs and alcohol and become unstable. And she would later recognize a similar instability in Charles's new wife. Also, court records show that in 2007, Wheeler filed an affidavit in support of extraordinary relief in Travis County, Texas, in which she alleged her sons were being subjected to inappropriate sexual behavior in the Vallow household.

Wheeler said that she found a provocative photo of her son's new step sister, four-year-old tiley, on their cell phones. What the fuck is that? Some random or some pattern continuing here from Lori's own upbringing. What is with his family, right, in healthy sexual boundaries? Wheeler also said she became concerned after her son

said that their father and stepmother would regularly give them night will or prescription sleeping pills and that they witnessed excessive fighting between Lori and their dad. As result, cameras were installed in the house to monitor the children. They would never turn up anything alarm or capture anything alarming though. After they married Charles and Laurie moved to Arizona and Laurie's ex, Jill Ryan relocated as well in order to continue to be able to see his daughter, Tiley. Laurie, however believed

he was simply trying to torment her by moving to Arizona. So what the fuck is old chatty doomsday daddy up to around now? Let's find out after today's second of two mid show sponsor breaks. And I'm back and now we can reconnect with Chad daybell and what he's up to in 2007. Nothing too exciting actually. Still married, still writing, but his writing is getting pretty weird. Round late 2007, Chad Debel began rolling out his first multi-part fictional series called Standing in Holy Places, based on his personal revelations and visions. Now previously,

he had said his stories were meant to be taken as fictional, nothing more, but now the line between what was a Debel fictional story and what was daybell prophetic vision begins to blur. It soon becomes clear that his fictional books serve as a window into a lot of very real things like his belief system goals priorities and aspirations. By the mid-2000s Chad had evolved far beyond where he'd started with tiny talks books those ones that he and Tammy co-authored for kids years prior. On the covers of many of his paperbacks his name runs across the top now in large white syringe letters, a styling typically reserved for best-selling authors, reflecting his intention to be ranked among the literary heavyweight

fright Tom Clancy John Grisham Stephen King and Chad Debel. Often though not always Chad's books began with an apology. He'll talk about how he knows he's not a great writer and instead of trying to hide the truth, he confronts it head on. He explains that his writing style, which is filled admittedly with clichés, plot holes, and then characters could be better. But by his explanation, the actual craft of a story

is simply a barrier, something readers need to glide past in the end. It's his powerful ideas, the concepts that matter. It's the message, not the stories themselves, which is a weird way to try and rationalize being a fucking terrible author. Despite his preference, it was still hard for a lot of readers to overlook shit

like his character's odd choices or how he consistently negatively, negatively portrayed women. And one book of characters wife is missing and he suspects that she is dead buried in a funeral pyre outside of hospital. However, he does not mourn the loss. Doesn't even look for. He simply shrugs.

Decides to die as she's probably dead and just leaves to go join a group of strangers at a survivalist camp. Very similar to how Chad will later casually shrug off the death of his own wife. In another book, the protagonist are a young Mormon missionary named Nathan Foster and his pretty girlfriend, Marie Shaw, two Latter-day Saints who are facing the same daily challenges you are. They and their family members might remind you of people in your ward or neighborhood. Chatexplains. The book opens with Foster miraculously saving a member of the quorum of the 12 apostles from a bombing, a scene that goes largely without explanation for the rest of the four book series.

But it does set up Nathan Foster as a brave and manly hero. Women in his stories never heroes, but are often villains. For example, Marie Shaw is introduced to the reader as a member of the LDS church and a friend of Nathan Foster's, but also a determined young professional eager to land an internship at a public relations firm in Chicago far from the safety of her lifelong home in the Salt Lake Salt Lake Valley Her father fears his daughter's worldliness her ambition as portrayed as a red flag a sign she has been corrupted Indeed the women and Chad daybells new books are flat lifeless and foolish their complainers questioners whiners

They're physically weak and often killed. His male characters on the other hand are like a Mormon James Bond type. The other strong, they save women, at least when these women aren't killed they do. And most importantly, they gather the elect to wait out the apocalypse in a place literally called the White Camps. Chad also clearly sees his books as being full of prophecies. And the author's note in his book of Vating Babylon, the first book in his later times of

turmoil series. Chad makes an argument for why someone might look beyond his clunky prose. In many ways, the global events described in the great gathering have already begun. The other key moments are fast approaching. The United States economic situation has grown markedly worse since I wrote that book in 2006, and now I'm able to add many details that have emerged since that time. He would reiterate that many of his predictions had come true, and with each book that came out, he seemed less and less interested in labeling it as fiction. It was like he believed his books were prophecies, and like he believed that Chad was Nathan Foster In the third book in the Times of Terminal Series days of fury

Foster along with his various followers and now wife Marie would make their way to the only safe place left for Latter-day Saints in the world Rexburg Idaho Fuck yeah Idaho the most important place in the world according to Chad Deba The Lord for saw what was going to happen in a possible tells Nathan Marie and the church has been preparing Rexburg for several years to be the temporary headquarters of the church. It will become a wonderful city of light with thousands of saints living there until Missouri is fully cleansed and we can establish new Jerusalem. Nothing against Rexburg and Missouri, but out of the whole world, those are the best

parts. Soon around 2014 Chad would start talking about his family moving to Rexpert. He said the voice. The voice told them they had to fucking live there. Okay guys. So now they're looking for their looking for houses by March of 2015 and Rexpert. One afternoon Chad strolled a property just north of town, not far from his brother, Matt's house, light colored brick house sat on four quiet acres of nodding grassy pasture, little duck pond in the back. Chad and his eldest Garth looked out across the field, be high in the house towards the peaks of the Grand Tee Tons and it looked like their own personal Zion and they knew they've

found their home. Chad wasn't just also making physical moves around this time. He was making some virtual ones moving into a new online community. I remember how I mentioned all those Mormons who had NDE's and visions. There was an internet-based home for them now. This website called another voice of warning or LDS of Val still there. It's an online forum run by a Mormon prepper living near Rexburg filled with conspiracies fake news, entire sub forums dedicated to the elect,

ten cities, more silly get the fuck out of here shit. In 2006, fringe Mormon Roger young created a vow as his attempt to make quote a place where faithful saints can gather and discuss topics in a safe loving environment without the worry of being attacked or ridiculed for their beliefs. Yeah. Well, your beliefs deserve to be fucking ridiculed. Other sites he'd started had been swarmed with what he called wolves and sheep's clothing or people with good, critical think he skills, but with a vow. He had administrators ready to fair at these fuckers out from the start.

He charged members $3 per month, hoping that would deter people who were just there to troll them. With the new side of I would also have a store run by Christopher Parrot of Rigby Idaho, just south of Rexburg. One of our started the only book the store stock was Sarah Menitz NDE account. There is no death. And then for years, the store would also sell all of Chad daybells titles. He could became big time member, right? Big fish, small pond. Well known, popular, considered highly learned.

This site, again, still active today. Now charges between $375 and $5 a month to join. Pretty reasonable. If you're looking for a new place to meet a lot of back shit crazy, paranoid, delusional, self-important Wackerdales. On this site, Chad would meet a woman a so-called light worker named Julie Row. Once Chad and Julie got to talking, they both realized that a lot in common. Both were fucking insane. Both were also LDS. Both claimed to have had

several near death experiences. Both felt compelled to share those with the world, despite church authorities, costing them against doing so. Both felt burdened by what they couldn't say and wanted to free themselves from those constraints. Not only did Chad believe Rose experiences, he also believed he had seen her in a vision of his own. Chad said he had seen a tall, dark, haired woman in a full, waking vision of her, speaking to a large group. You offered to publish her story through his spring Creek book company, the book, A Greater Tomorrow, will be full of terror inducing predictions, moments of destruction, pestilence,

famine, fire, despair, and it was a hit at least amongst the people on a vow. Spring Creek hastily released a follow up. Julia Rose's second book called The Time Is Now. And this book foretold of dragons slithering in the sky above Seattle not kidding literally fucking dragons above Seattle for some reason and how the biblical the biblical cane once approached her in the airport Uh-huh good stuff good important stuff Her second book sells just as well as the first and how Julie starts a podcast called eyes open first. So now she really starts a podcast called eyes open. Uh-huh. You can still find some of the episodes online, at least on YouTube. And it is fucking hard to listen to. I tried. It's pretty bad. It's very, very bad. All the episodes I saw are just, uh, Laurie recorded herself on her phone

in her car. She actually, she's super important. So important, she had to flee to the wilderness three years ago. Yeah, she was talking three years ago about how she had to hire the top level security team to protect her, you know, from all the people who want to take her down because she's very important and famous. She acts like she's as famous as Taylor Swift or something. She has a little over 2000 YouTube followers and almost no social media presence. a little over 2000 YouTube followers and almost no social media presence. She was only kind of a big deal in the very fringe echo chamber of a vow and I'm sure some similar websites. Anyway, by the fall of 2015, not long after Chad had moved to Rexburg, Julie Rowe would be reprimanded by the LDS church for her views. In September of 15,

the church announced that members should avoid being caught up in extreme efforts to anticipate catastrophic events The writings and speculations of individual church members some of which have gained currency recently looking at you jewels Should be considered as personal accounts or positions that do not reflect church doctrine Chad now became Rose biggest online defender chastising people for refusing to buy her books You got his daughter Emma Debel to narrate Rose audiobook. Also used controversy around what she was saying

to begin a newsletter subscription service in which he sent emails interpreting global events through scripture. Then in May of 2016, Chad made a big prediction that the wake up earthquake would happen by the fall and faithful saints answering the call would gather in four locations Which did not fucking happen if you remember 2016 One was in San Pete County, Utah where the Mantae Temple is located. Another was in Rexburg

That year he wrote about Hurricane Harvey hitting Houston We have also been told there will be great flooding VS two nominees and storms in various locations across the world as the days of tribulation unfold," he said. I've seen visions of future flooding through Utah and Idaho, and I know that water-related damage is going to be a main component of the clinging of America. Chad got a ton of positive responses about this shit. Despite there not being a fucking snowball's chance in hell that Utah and Idaho are going to become heavily flooded anytime soon. Some n times degree, right?

The geography. If you just fucking look into the basic geography, it will not allow that. Lot of mountainous terrain covering much of both states, making a lot of flooding like apocalyptic level flooding, literally impossible. Unless the world's ocean levels are about to rise by, you know, several thousand feet. That's one of the fun things about apocalyptic predictions. You don't have to make them even remotely plausible.

Good old magical thinking will still likely attract at least a few dipshits, no matter how nonsensical your visions are. Let's back up a few years 2014 catch up again with Mrs. Brother Humber now. This year Charles and Laurie adopt two-year-old boys their own. Technically, he's Charles is great nephew. The son of Charles is nephew who was troubled and unable to care for the boy, especially since he had special needs. Charles and Laurie looking like great parents at this point swooping to help. boys two pounds 15 ounces

Pretty tiny when he's born May 25 2012 as Knaine trahan But with Lori is his mother he becomes Joshua Vallo or JJ. Anyone else? Think it's super fucking weird How she just decided to change a two year old's first name and Charles just went along with it. I'm sure I've heard of that happening before in an adoption situation. Well, I'm sure it has happened, but I can't think of another example of top my head. JG was pretty far along in the autism spectrum, also had a severe case of ADHD. Surely before

he died, most people were amazed how well Lorian Charles parented him. They were patient and loving. Tiley too was a wonderful big sister who became almost like another mother for him. After living in Arizona for six years, the Vallow family relocated to the Hawaiian island of Kauai, one of my favorite places on earth, to live in a beautiful house near a golf course, not unlike the one Laurie had grown up in. Tiley's father, Joe Ryan, opposed the move, concerned about the distance it would put between him and his daughter.

And the availability of quality medical care to treat Tiley's pancreatic. But at Laurie's urging, Tiley went anyway. Poor Ryan, right? Dude, uprooted his life, moved Arizona to be close with daughter, then her mom bounces again now to the most remote state of the nation. And Hawaii, the family threw themselves into their into their local LDS ward and Laurie taught Sunday school there. We're also a living nanny since Charles was gone most of the time away on business in California. For Laurie living in Kauai was nothing short of a dream, something to combine her love of luxury with a belief in the end of days.

You see she liked Chad also thought the apocalypse was coming soon, but instead of Rexburg, she felt like Hawaii was probably the best place to write it all out. She truly believed this, talked about it a lot. Later her son Colby told interviewers that she was always talking about the second coming. That's for the point that Laurie discouraged her children from making extensive plans for their futures, like going to college. One of the many reasons why it is so fucking stupid to live as if you

know the world's about to end. As I've said many times before, this mentality has worked out literally zero times. Billions of fucking people I would imagine over the course of human history have thought like man, world's about to end and it never ends, right? It's damaged countless lives helped literally no one outside of assholes who saw a lot of books about how the world's ending soon or sell subscriptions to websites based on this belief, taken tides based on this belief, et cetera. Right. The ones putting out the call that the world's about to end, sometimes they do very well. Those who heed the call get motherfucked time and time again.

One of Lori's friends from Kauai would later tell police that she believed in the end of the world and everyone is going to die and she is preparing for it. Once she recalled Lori talked about driving off a cliff with her kids in the car. She said, Lori would say crazy stuff sometimes, but she didn't expect anything bad to happen.

Uh, what? If one of my friends starts talking about how the world is for sure, ending soon like won't shut the fuck up about it, how we're all gonna die is discouraging her kids from going to college, making future plans, and then mentions, you know, which probably just drive off a cliff together. I am reporting her crazy ass. Hawaii, however, uh, not destined to be the paradise where the vales would ride out the apocalypse.

Wasn't working out for JJ. Family would ultimately move back to Arizona because he needed better educational resources to help with his autism. I strongly assume that Charles was pushing for this move and not Lori. In Gilbert, a suburb of Phoenix, the family picks up life as usual with the occasional lunch with Barry and Janice Cox, who now live nearby in Santan Valley. And there's also visits from Lori's fuck buddy. I mean, a brother, aka Alex, aka Bubba Humps, and her sister summer. Now Lori, like Charles, comes across the Val website, becomes a member and start spending a lot of her time online there.

She starts reading Chad's posts, obsessively, listening to his podcast appearances. She tells Bubba Humps that he should check them out too. And of course, he does because he's clearly in love with her and not in a brotherly way, and is her fucking laptop. When she saw that Chad was speaking at a proper conference in Utah in 2018 called preparing a people, PAP, right?

She decides they gotta go. Chad had already done a couple of these conferences, not really sticking out among the other attendees, you know, like hypnotherapists or people who argued that the Earth's core is made of ice. Another speaker, one of these conferences claimed he had Joseph Smith's sword. Mm-hmm.

Sounds like some A plus top shell people watching. Compared to some of these other characters, Chad was kind of tame, seemed kind of quiet, not too sure of himself. So after a few rounds of not really making waves in this community, Chad decides to up his game, starts talking a lot about past lives. Chad is now also saying that he has received a numbering system from God that helps him understand how many lives a person has lived and whether they were a light or dark spirit, right? The seeds of his future zombie talk, bullshit. Also began

bringing a necklace with a silver chain and a dark pendant on the end to these meetings and inviting people to ask questions that he believed the necklace would answer for them. Okay, so now this looney tune is a as a fucking cheap necklace version of the magic a ball. If it swayed one way, it meant yes, the other way would mean no. It sounds similar to pendulum dousing, a divinatory practice embraced in a lot of new age circles, where a curant holds a crystal pendulum and inquires of it

for answers on big decisions. If you're, if you're basing a lot of the big decisions of your life on a swinging pendulum, please go see a therapist. Chad also started talking about how people had other spouses and other lives. This plays directly into the groupy energy that many would observe in these conferences. And secretly he started telling people like Julie Rowe that his wife Tammy was only quote 1% no sorry 0.01% in her body. Zombies man zombies are crowding her soul. And there's almost nothing left of the real her.

So already thinking about getting rid of his wife who I'm sure is just like what the fuck you doing with all this stuff. A quick diversion back to Lori now in April of 2018, a problem of hers takes care of itself. That month neighbors started to complain about a smell emanating from third husband Joe Ryan's Phoenix apartment. And no one had seen the man in days. The police were called after neighbor had peered in the window and seen a lot of flies inside his apartment. As the officers come to a welfare check. When police entered the second floor apartment in a desert brown building with a tile roof, they found the 59 year old man lying dead on his bed.

The estimated that given the advanced state of decomposition of his body, he had died of a heart attack within the previous week. Maggots had already begun to eat away his body. The apartment was set. The apartment was sad. The apartment was one of the lonely men, little furniture, paper stacked on the floor, a printer, a laptop, a box for an electric toothbrush, sit on the carpet, lottery tickets, and a blood pressure monitor sitting on a desk. The only decorations were framed photos of his daughter, Tiley.

Man, this poor bastard. Tiley would be the beneficiary of his life insurance, $350,000 payout. But until she was 18, Laurie would have control of that money and she undoubtedly started spending that fucking shit to buy books, you know, from her favorite author, Chad fucking ding dong, Debel, and go see him. And when Laurie sees Chad live for the first time at the Preparing People Conference, I already mentioned in St. George, Utah, October 26, 2018, sparks were immediate. She'd come with a friend, Melanie Gibb,

whom Chad had met a year prior at another Preparedness Camp in Utah. Melanie and Lori were sisters eternally, they believed, reincarnated life after life is close relatives. In her phone, Lori saved Melanie's number as Feeb, the name of the girl she believed she had birthed. Sometime phone, Laurie saved Meli's number as Feebe, the name of the girl she believed she had birthed sometime in the 1600s. That's cool. So they are both

super mentally stable, as of course, a chat and everyone else of these conferences. And as Melanie stood next to her, Chad said she wanted to meet Chad for a, she had, she had wanted to meet Chad for a very long time. Laurie wanted to talk to Chad about his book, The Renewed Earth, a novel he published in 2011 as a finale to his standing in holy places series. And the author's note, Chad characterized the major plot points of the series as prophesied events that he had published first as fiction

and had come to realize, you know, we're true later. The time to prepare does seem to be growing short, he wrote. For the rest of the conference, Laurie seemed to orbit him. She attended all his lectures. She stood next to his table in between lectures when he's trying to sell stuff. She's straight in his books, you know, without him asking her to even do that. She starts offering his customers insights into her favorite titles.

And at the end of the conference, they share a romantic kiss. Later Chad will write about the beginning of the relationship or continuation of it, depending on how reliable you find Chad. In a series of text messages, he sent to Laurie, which he's strung together like an erotic fiction novel. In these, you know, text he calls himself James and calls Laurie Elena. Three years later, the police will obtain all these messages and make them public record. Chad wrote of quote his loins being on fire when the pair kissed. And quote, and after Lori helped have boxes of books to his car at the end of the day, and they hugged in the parking lot.

Chad wrote he had to quote disguise the massive erection. He was experiencing they traded cell numbers and like teenagers texted back and forth until four in the morning. Chad said he even got out of bed twice to get dressed to go see her in the middle of the night, but the voice put a hand on his shoulder and told him to stay calm. The voice said, quote, have patience. Everything will work out and it is supposed to. In due time, you will come so hard.

One of the voice told him to go out, beat off and fall asleep. Chad, this is the voice. Do not let this she devil ruin your life at this time, Chad. You are just horny. Beat off, fall asleep. Go back to your life. That night he believed your spirit joined him in his hotel bed. Totally.

Yeah, they had spirit sex or something. He had visions of the intense passion of their lovemaking from centuries ago. The emotions they shared would not do this world. The fuck. I think Chad has visions confused with wet dreams, sexual fantasies, uh, Lucifer thinks so as well. Chad now starts to receive more visions that make his desire to cheat on his wife seem not only okay, but necessary, godly. Uh, in the LDS church, you know, marriages, of course, sacred.

If couples are sealed in an LDS temple as chad and tammy were in nineteen ninety their marriages believe to be eternal chad and lori now start to believe they could be polygamist not in this life but in their eternal lives they believe that they had been married before already in past lives but because the veil had clouded their vision they could not recognize themselves and married the wrong people in this life but now they can still be together again because their past marriages from past lives, you know, were sealed and these sealed

marriages are still relevant and valid today. If anything, they were cheating on each other with their current spouses. Ah, the human ability to rationalize almost fucking anything. So impressive. If you want something bad enough and you want to get a little creative, you can make nearly any choice. Maybe, maybe any choice at all actually seem sensible, necessary even. Chad told Lori that they had first been married during the time of Jesus. Back then, Chad believed he lived as James the, the just a biblical figure. Lori had been James the just wife, Elena, daughter of Jesus's half brother. They'd birthed seven children, one of whom was now living as Melanie Bordeaux, and you know, another life, the real life daughter of Laurie's deceased older sister Stacy.

And one of their sons was now living as J.J. Vallow. These two should have been institutionalized. After they met in 2018, Chad emailed Laurie details about all her past lives and the past lives of the people they kept close around them. chat emailed Lori details about all her past lives and the past lives of the people they kept close around them. Among their friends were no sinners, only saints, that's cool. Past Mormon prophets and pioneers, warriors who fought in the great battle between the Nephites and the Lamanites. Almost everyone but Chad and Lori was a granddaughter of a or spouse of a saint, some peripheral biblical character, Chad and Lori were more special, more important. Lori in another life had been married to Maroni himself,

the Nephite warrior, who appeared as an angel and a blinding holy light at the bedside of Joseph Smith. And emails to Lori chatted classified everyone they knew and tears based on how many lives it already lived and also designated each person as I went over earlier as being light or dark. And luckily, all their friends were light at this time. Our ex has been Joe Ryan though, he was dark.

He was dark, he was now sealed away. Tiley, her teenage daughter also dark. J.J. though is light. By the time Chad told Lori these things, you know, they wouldn't have been completely foreign concepts to her. She had been an avid listener to both Chad's and Julie Rose podcasts, where they would speak openly about these strange ideas and she accepted them wholesale. Both these lovebirds now had two big problems in their lives due to their desires to

be with each other, their spouses. Chad was desperate to get away from his wife Tammy, but how all he could think about was Laurie. So many hot boner and wet pus and loophole and eager tongues and lips filled spirit visions. Who knew the Lord could project so much pornography into one man's head? Chad would see Lord again in three weeks when a preparing to people is holding a special event in Mesa. And the mean time they talked on the phone every day. Laurie spent some of these interim days going to her local LDS temple for up to eight hours at a time, listening to fringe podcast, telling her family that her past lives had allowed her to transcend basic

human needs like eating and going to the bathroom. So she is fucking bachelors crazy now. Brother Humps Alex, he's loving all this. He seemed to believe everything his sister said, right? Maybe she was also using Bubba Humps earthly vessel for some sexual practice to prepare for her upcoming horn dog rendezvous with chatty doomsday daddy. Laurie was also spending more and more time with her friend Melanie Gibb. Preparing to people had named Melanie recently as its Arizona branch representative.

What an incredible honor. Melanie now organized casual religious discussions in the homes of people she knew from church who wanted to talk about the second coming prepping multiple probations topics that would have been frowned upon by their bishop. The meetings seemed to attract people who had undergone a lot of hardships, lost death and divorce. Laurie would frequently testify at these meetings. Laurie would introduce herself at one meeting by stating, I'll just start by saying that I'm a personal witness of the resurrected Jesus Christ. I am his advocate and I am his friend. That's okay, cool.

And he is with me. I know him. And it was a hard road to get to know him. It was not an easy road. When people hear my story, they're like, I can't believe you did that. I can't believe you lived through that. I can't believe that you're still here. It is life changing and eternity altering. I have administered to by the angel Moroni. I've seen him. I've had lots of angelic ministry with people who wake me up at four o'clock in the morning and tell me things to do. I no longer need to sleep very much because I'm woken up constantly by angels giving me instructions on things that I can do to help further the father's work. Okay, that's cool. That's cool. Both her and Chad receiving a lot of visions. Talking a lot of angels, talking to Maronai, you know, talking to Jesus, hanging out with everybody in heaven's VIP room.

She told other media members about her ex-husband, Jo Ryan, who was very awful, who raped my children. Again, I do not think he did. He was a master of disguise. She told him a very good showman who in court made her look crazy. Fucking what? What? He made her look crazy.

She said the judges believed him instead of me. And he was constantly trying to get custody of my three-year-old daughter. I was going to murder him, she said. I was going to kill him. Like the scriptures say, like Nephi killed, just to stop the pain and stop him coming after me and to stop him coming after my children. Lori confessed. She had searched the scriptures for justification to murder her ex-husband and believes she had found permission. In the pages of Doctrine and Covenants, section 98. And then, if he shall come upon you or your children or your children's children

onto the third and fourth generation, I have delivered thine enemy into thine hands. Kind of weird that they stop it for a generation, right? Like, yeah, you can kill somebody if they come after your children or like your grandkids, your great-grandkids. But if somebody comes after your great-grandkids, don't even, you're fucking, you're too old.

You're too old to try and kill them. Stop it. But instead of murdering him, she said she turned her life over to the Lord. Or he happened to die of natural causes before she got the chance to have her brother murder him. I definitely believe had he not had a heart attack, Alex would kill him.

Recently in the LDS temple, she told other meeting members, God showed her a pre-mortal memory, a vision of who she had always been been who she had always been destined to become She said I got to see myself as a warrior fighting for the savior and I was one of the strongest warriors I saw it and he showed me so that I could never deny it again I was not sweet and I was not innocent. I am old. I have fought. I have fought in this war for millennia. That's who I am. And I came down here to be a warrior and fight. And I only thought that I was sweet and innocent. Always delusions of grandeur with these idiots. Never visions of mediocrity. Never, never visions of being like, you know, above average, but not like way

above average in the past, you know, or in the visions of the like, you know, above average, but not like way above average in the past, you know, or in the visions of the future, which proves to me at least how all of this is, you know, always nothing more than ego and hubris. No one ever has a fucking vision of being like, one of God's warriors, but not like a great warrior. No one has a vision of fighting for God, but not fighting that well.

No one's ever the warrior who's kind of slow, making it into the fight, you know, they keep, they're trying their best. Just lay demons and zombies and stuff, you know, but they're fucking they're scary They're fucking scary. So they hang back Just a little ways out of the action and just let the better fighters do most of the killing and then you know They'll step in here and there and stab a few orcs or you know dragons or demons or whatever when they're wounded Lori also went on to predict an end time scenario in which women would be equal warriors to men, fighting side by side in the spiritual battlefield.

Indeed, she preached a weird kind of pseudo feminism with these meetings. Laurie also sewed the seeds of the sense, saying that they would need to dwell among the most pure people for the savior to choose them. But most of all, Laurie told everyone to stay focused on their mission and not to worry so much about their families or their kids.

Seriously, this was her message. Fuck your kids. God's sick of you being attentive parents. You need to focus on preparing to help God defeat Satan in this big dragon, fucking zombie demon ork battle. You don't need to worry, she said. If you're going to be the only one left of your whole family, that's okay because your kids are adults in eternity. They're not your kids. They're loaned to you for the short time. Doesn't even matter if they die. Uh, in November, Chad flies Arizona for his appearance at another pap event. Oh, fucking chatty pap smear. Laurie picks him up from the airport drives to a nearby hotel where they fucking dry hump so hard. Chad later wrote the passionate magic they had felt centuries earlier came surging back

powerfully. In the room they flung themselves under the couch where Laurie straddled him effortlessly as if they had done this a thousand times before. They pressed their loins tightly against each other. The feeling was exquisite and they both smiled and moaned at the sensation passing between them. They were still fully closed. Chad wrote in his text message, recollection of their erotic rendezvous

Chats only stopped he raised his hands to Lori's head now and began to run them down her entire body blessing and purifying each Part of her Quote he could feel the pains and trouble she had endured throughout her life being removed from her soul and being taken outside and destroyed James hands he's James worked their way down her soul and being taken outside and destroyed. James hands, he's James, worked their way down her body and lingered briefly on her beautiful breasts. I bet he lingered more than briefly. She probably had a lot of extra pain and trouble in her tits. So being a good godly healer, he had to spend a lot of extra time rubbing, licking, maybe sucking out the trauma. I bet her clip was fucking traumatized

too. Fucking he had a really massage the trauma out of her clip. He finished blessing her and quote, then filled her body with a balm of light and love. Is that come? Is that what he's talking about? Is a balm of light and love his come, guys? He, I love you, Elena. Com guys are. Uh, I love you, Elena. The next day, you're out to take, quote, blessed each other again. These fucking idiots, you know, and by blessed means aggressively dry, Humpton, you know, they made plans to meet in the morning at the nearby LDS temple where they intended to be sealed together forever. As husband and wife, even though they were, you know, already sealed in the temple to other people. At the preparing to people conference, Chad and Laurie were distracted eager to be alone together again.

These horny idiots, all they care about right now is the end of days, but also fucking a whole bunch before the end of days. Chad doesn't care at all, that he's pseudo riding to use bicycle with a lot of miles on it. That bike despite being taken off a lot of ramps, thrown down quite a few ditches,

still way hotter than the bike he has at home This bike soon it won't ask him to slow down when he starts riding it really fast You know, it won't tell him you can't try and pop a wheelie or jump it off a handicap ramp or or stick is digging between the handlebars Or stick is digging the air hole in the rear tire right this bike likes to ride hard and fast and riding Lori's bike as hard as possible Is all chatty doomed. A daddy wants to do. This pair sold books together at Chad's table and then they left dinner with friends at evening to drive to a secluded area where they pulled off the road jumped into the back

seat of Lori's car for another supposedly fully clothes dry hump session. That night Chad stated in a guest bedroom at Lori's house where several female attendees from the conference and friends from Gibbs meetings were also staying Charles was out of town on business That night Chad gave several attendee female attendees blessings Not sure if he specifically blessed her tit's a little extra After which these women claimed to have full envisions Does that mean orgasms including one of the entire Phoenix area decimated by some unseen disaster.

Only the LDS church was saved, of course. Laurie told them she had seen the exact same thing. Afterward in the living room, the women gathered on the couch and Chad sat on a coffee table in front of them and told them he had info to share with them about what he called translation. He began to tell the women about the physical emotional and spiritual levels, one needed to ascend in order to become a translated being and shared with them his scoring system, this guy loves a scoring system,

to assess just how translated people were. Chad was now teaching that translated beings did not require food or sleep. They had accelerated healing powers and they could not be mortally wounded and they could also teleport. Sounds fucking sick. He told them he had a portal in his house where he could go to convene with spiritual beings from beyond the veil who he was working with to help prepare for the second

coming. Oh, man, that's fucking handy. How convenient to have a divine portal in your house, right? Really cuts down on the commute time when you have to be traveling back and forth between heaven and earth a bunch. Good for him. After all these weirdos have gone to bed, Chad opened the door to his room in order to sneak over to Lori's bedroom, but low, be hold. Lori is sneaking towards his room already. She slipped into his bedroom, they locked the door and continued the trist they'd begun earlier. She slipped into his bedroom, they locked the door and continued the trist they'd begun earlier.

Chad would write in his erotic text message story only two thin layers of material separated their loins and they could feel each other's most intimate body parts in detail. The intensity and spiritual vibration exceeded anything either one of them had already felt before, had ever felt before. Oh, just fuck already you idiot. At this point in Chad's retelling, he stopped referring to himself as James. A call back to his so-called previous identity.

And this date with no explanation, now he starts to call himself Rafael. Yeah, why not? In the morning, Chad offered more blessings to the group. Extra time with the dits, probably. Over the next eight months, a group of five or so women would come together at Laurie or Melanie's house, all LDS, all mothers mostly blonde and all revolving

around the words of Chad Debel. How many of these women was he dry-humping? How much clothes, was he rubbing his clothes, cock against? How mangled was his dick? Thanks to constant friction burns. None of the other women seemed to be as devoted to Chad as Laurie. She and Chad were the closest, which meant she had the most authority in the group. These two talk every day on the phone, talking about how they have special powers, like teleportation, conjuring natural disasters, receiving visions. Man, how fun to teleport. What a great power to have if you're having an affair, right?

Now, you have to, you don't have to hide money, you know, all the money you're spending on airplane tickets and hotel rooms, no, you just fuck, whip, just zip over to wherever they are and dry hump them. You know, whip, they just zip over and dry hump you for a little bit. The two talked a lot about how all the light and dark spirits around them, you know,

what they were up to. Lori's husband Charles, you know, he used to be light, but, ah, well, that fucker got dark around this time. The weirdly, the more Laurie kind of rubbed her clit up against Chad's kind of dick through clothing, the darker he would become by early, 2019, he was a lost cause. He'd been possessed by an evil spirit by a demon zombie thing named, named, named, Ned Schneider.

I love that. Demon zombie has a first and last name. Yeah, I mean, you don't want to mix up this, Ned, Ned demon with all the other Ned demons. Is that Ned Johnson? No, no, no, that's Ned Schneider. It's different demon. Ned Schneider.

This demon sounds even lamer than the, than bury the demon from the Jill DeRaisuck. Lori now fighting with Charles Moore more at home. Starts calling him Ned Schneider to his face. Telling their nephew Zach that his uncle is dead and is a wicked zombie named Ned living inside her husband's body. Right, zombie, the code where they used to indicate for someone who's gone dark.

And anyone could become a zombie. You have to be careful, right? At any point, you can become possessed by a demon spirit or, or she said a demon worm or demon slug controlled by a loser for it. You got to watch out for spirits, worms, and slugs. And if one of these things gets in you, well, fuck, now you're a zombie. There's no coming back, right? The only way you can unzombie yourself, the only way to get that evil spirit to leave

your body is through death. The only way to keep a spirit from lingering in limbo is to kill the body of possesses, which can be tricky for Chad and Lori because, you know, they're now immortal. Did I mention that they're immortal now and can be killed or seriously injured? Yeah, yeah, the other fucking Highlanders now is what they're telling themselves. Lori is telling people that she has lived 21 lives on various planets. Chad has lived 31. here on Earth, both of them had already lived five previous lives. Chad is now saying that after living two mortal lives, people can choose to sign a light contract or a dark contract and that each time you're reborn, the veil between the mortal world and the spirit world will thin. So the more lives you

live previously, the more easily you can teleport or hop into your fucking portal or whatever and go back and forth between the spirit world and this world. And of course, people can be sealed to multiple spouses in the temple as Chad and Lori were. Chad also sends Lori a list of the seven missions they need to accomplish together. One of their missions was to translate ancient records

and write a book about how people can become translated beans like themselves. The other six missions revolved mostly around Humping with just a little bit of clothes on. Or Humping, there was a few missions about no clothes being on just some bearback bike riding, Humping. One of their other missions was to search Northern Arizona for locations for 10 cities, the white camps, and figure out how to distribute food and supplies. They would become, as a duo, the presidency of the church of the first born, right?

The head of the 144,000, so that's pretty awesome. In a closet, in Lori's spacious Arizona home, Chad even quote, set up a portal for her. So she could use that to teleport and access him now, at least spiritually. That's sweet. God, which I would have fucking built a portal for touring all these years.

So much easier to get to gigs if you can just teleport. Chad warned Lori to be careful with her portal. He said that portals were pathways that both light and dark spirits could could pass through. He's talking about portal or pussy here. Is he warning her to be careful with the portal or pussy? All of this as you might imagine had some seriously negative effects on Lori's message Charles.

It's falling apart by late 2018. That fall, Lori brought JJ and Tiley to stay with her Melanie Gibbs for a time. She stopped attending church on Sundays, fearful that if she went, Charles would have divorce papers served her at her ward. She wasn't ready to leave him because she still needed his money. At least until Chad could, you know, take care of her. She knew that eventually she'd run out of Joe Ryan's life insurance money for fucking tiley that she was stealing to try and keep her relationship with Chad a secret. Laurie is becoming a master of deception. She was carrying at least three disposable burner phones and a purse, including one that was

reserved explicitly for Chad. Meanwhile, Chad, it seems, was planting seeds for a future not just with Laurie, but with multiple Mormon women, many of them with troubled family lives. He told one woman named Zulema, Zulema Pastanas, that her powers are getting stronger and soon she'd be able to see through the eyes of the Lord himself. In a mid-January text, she asked him to assess her level of light. He said she was a solid 4.3 L, but you were already exalted on a previous world

and were chosen by the Savior to come again because of all the great work you've done and will do. It means you are one of the greatest women on earth, really building up a self-esteem of as close as followers. When Charles Vallow arrives back in Phoenix after a business trip in January 30th, 2019 he finds himself in a real marital mess or marital mess. Things had escalated considerably. His truck, the one he parked in the airport lots, when he flew out of town was now nowhere to be found.

He suspected he had not been stolen but had been moved by Laurie. Charles pulled out his iPhone, called his bishop, asked for a ride home from the airport. moved by Laurie. Charles pulled out his iPhone, called his bishop, asked for a ride home from the airport. Once Charles arrives in front of his house, the house he, Laurie, JJ and Tyler, he had just moved into it at the beginning of the year. This house is now empty and he calls the Gilbert police department, right? He needed help. He couldn't get into his house. Right. He could see in, but couldn't get in. Couldn't reach his children or get a hold of his wife. And he's worried. She's lost her mind. I don't know how else to say it. Charles explained to Gilbert police officer Chris

Doran Bush outside the house. We're LDS. He continued. She thinks she's a resurrected bean and a God and a member of the 144,000. Jesus is coming next year. Man. Charles didn't seem to know how to tell the complete, you know, the complicated, convoluted story of what he'd been dealing with. He didn't feel like he could tell the officer that Laurie now referred to him as Ned Schneider. All he could say was Laurie was going crazy and she'd withdrawn $3,500 from the bank account and said she was going to kill him. She said, you're not Charles. I don't know what you are or what you did with Charles, but I can murder you now with my powers. Durable chest. Okay, so she's speaking as a spiritual being now.

She's lost her reality, Charles said. It's gotten really, really bad lately. She goes to the temple every day and speaks with Moroni and Jesus Christ, and they tell her what to do. And now she came here today, and the last couple days, she says, you're not Charles, you're Nick Schneider?

He's not an hesitant, as though he wasn't sure the officer would believe him. I don't know where she gets these names from. She's got all this stuff from these people in Utah who tell her how many past lives she's had and probation she's had. He didn't mention to Lori had told him that she had been married to Maroni in a past life and to James just as expected. Dorn Bush interrupted.

Okay, this is all foreign to me. It's just as foreign to me. Charles Valos said all he wanted he had it was an emergency mental health evaluation for Lori and wanted to know that JJ was okay. Uh, he advised Doren Bush, you're a dark spirit is what she's going to tell you. I'm a dark spirit. She won't go to a doctor because they would find out she's translated. She cannot be killed. She cannot die. Doren Bush walked carefully into the home after Charles was allowed to force his way in inside. He saw nothing except for Charles belongings, which have impact away and hidden behind

masses of food storage and supplies. Lori had stocked up for the end of days. Next morning, Valah would meet with officers from the Gilbert Police Department. He reiterated that Lori had gone off the deep end. She didn't care what happened to him. She didn't care what happened to her kids. Several hours later, Lori sat in the lobby at the Gilbert Police Station with Melanie Gibb and her daughter, Tiley.

And hot damned, she put on a show. She had those male officers wrapped around her finger in a way Lucifina would admire if Lori wasn't such a piece of shit. Lori wore all black, black pants, black tailored coat, black boots, long, full blonde hair, freshly curled, Melanie and Tiley looked like a members of her staff,

the three followed a young officer and training back to a white walled interview room, and inside Lori and Tiley sat down at a small grade table with Melanie perts on a chair off to the side. An older police officer, Officer Tom Edgerton joined them settling into a chair in the corner, and he asked Lori her side of the story. The day before she said she and Charles had an argument over the phone while he was gone on business, she said, I found some stuff that he's been doing and he was really defensive. And so I took the kids. We spent the night in a hotel because I knew

he was coming home. The stuff he would been doing was Lori's suspicion that Valla was paying for prostitutes and financially supporting two other women, which she had texted his sister Kay Woodcock about that day. I found out yesterday for my credit card that Charles has been entertaining prostitutes, she wrote. Of course, I was pretty upset when I confronted him over the phone yesterday. I highly doubt he was doing this. Just more or less.

And who would use a fucking pro, like what married guy is gonna use a credit card to pay for escort service? Like, come on. Like, no, okay, I can see like, you're going to the ATM a lot, and she's suspicious. We the ATM a lot, she's suspicious. We're throwing a lot of cash and doesn't know what, but like, what did the

credit card statement say? You know, fucking Barber's brothel, $400 charge. She wanted a K. Woodcock to know that she had JJ with her and he is having fun. She said that morning she brought JD to school. She always did. She then told the officers that her husband must have taken her purse out of the car while she was in the school. My phone, my wallet, my money, my everything was in there. She said, the sunroof of her black infinity had been open, so JJ's service dog, Bailey could get some fresh air, and he must have reached in. Meanwhile, Laurie said, Valor used her cell phone to text her family and friends, impersonating me,

and had kicked in the door to their house. She said she didn't tell him where she was, you know, where she was for her safety. That Charles was trying to make her look crazy for his own gain because she'd found out he was cheating. And again, I don't think any of this is true. This is just her, you know, fucking degrading Charles's character to make herself look better and, you know, get what she wants. Now the officers seem to think that they can write this whole thing off as a domestic dispute. They call Charles who said, you know, he'd call them right back because he didn't, yeah, whatever.

When he did, he said he had an order to hold his wife for a medical evaluation. The cops reported that to Laurie, advised her that if she didn't want an evaluation, she should just not answer the door when cops come to it. So there are 100% on her side now. She's playing them like a fiddle. They clearly thought that there was no way that Lori was a danger to herself or others. She's not talking about zombies and that shit now. Soon the cops and Lori are joking around about how nice it would be to go on a little mental health vacation away from the stress of work and family. Shortly afterwards, she does comply with the mental health assessment, voluntarily checking into a nearby facility, where she's released after just a few hours, because she is so good at manipulating people.

And then she disappears for two months. In the first few days of February, 2019, Lori and Tiley arrive unannounced at the airport in Kauai in Hawaii, where Lori calls an old friend and asks if she can pick them up with the airport. Tells her friend that she left Charles once and for all had taken 50,000 from his bank account and was going to start over in Hawaii. JJ is not with him. Laurie left him behind in Arizona.

She stayed with a friend named April Raymond, whom Laurie knew from living in Hawaii years prior. For the first few days, April thought Laurie just had, excuse me, Laurie, April thought that Laurie had just changed a lot, maybe having some kind of midlife crisis. Then Laurie started talking about how there was a demon living in Charles. And April was like, was that? Laurie told April she had really come to Hawaii to gather her as part of the 144,000.

And if April joined her mission together, they could travel the world finding all the other chosen people. But in order to be a part of this mission, April would have to leave her kids behind and why with her dad. And Lori could not for say certain, for certain, if she would ever see them again. April now told Lori,

yeah, thanks, but no thanks. Not interested. I also told Lori that Lori was gonna need to find a new place to stay. Can you imagine if an old friend of yours from the past showed up at your place with all this fucking crazy? Lori now began renting a room in a nearby resort community.

On one occasion in late February, she texted Zilema Pastanas, told her she had flown over to Oahu for the day in order to spend time in an LDS temple there. She said, I commanded with the clouds and rain to cease for the whole day today day. Added that it worked. Lori was learning more about her ability. She said over text, Lori confided in dilemma that she thought Charles Valla was blocking her spiritual gifts and

discussed a blessing Chad had given dilemma in which he said she would travel through portals. They also talked about their bodies changing. So lemma thought she was going through menopause previously, but now she was having her period again after not having one for a year. Was this, she asked Lori, a sign that their bodies were becoming younger? Lori responded, that's an interesting question because I was starting to slow down,

but now they are like 20 year old periods. Chad's healing powers. Oh my gosh, aren't they something? He's clearly been spending a lot of time blessing their pusses. What a couple of lucky ladies. He's doing a lot of push rejuvenation work on him. Laurie said that the other members of the group

had also remarked that their mental cycles were changing and they had all somehow sank to the same monthly cycle. So Emma then asked, what's the rate at which we change? Four days younger every day, Laurie now pulled out of her ass Both remarked that their periods were heavy and crampy a Simultude of the only begotten father Laurie explained is dilemma or Similitude sorry that was a little tree a similitude of the blood sacrifice It reminds us that we belong to Jesus. Wow how intense They're having they're having Christ cramps now

and Messiah flows. But what is shamed to be wasting all their special menstrual Jesus blood on tampons and pads, right? They should have went to the temple and told the bishop, no need to bring out the bread or a blessed water for today's sacrament. Uh-uh. The faithful can just lap from our loins.

Lori and Zilema could have been human sacrament dispensers, sharing the Lord's sweet, sweet period blood, drink that metallic tasting salvation right from the source. Meanwhile, Charles began divorce proceedings back in Arizona, also petitioning to gain temporary custody of JJ. He has no idea where Laurie is. He wrote an email to her expressing his confusion or everything that had happened between them.

He told her that her accusations were ridiculous. You are my one and only for 14 years period. He had no idea he was not her one and only, right? She's been letting another lover ride her bike. I mean, so far, he's had to wear a helmet and crash pads and stuff, but still riding. In the divorce paperwork, he mentioned that Laurie had taken JJ's iPad, which he depended on as well as his medication. Then in March, Laurie returned home and Valor dismissed the divorce petition. Told his lawyer to despite everything, despite how fucking batshit insane she is.

She still has the best place he's ever seen. And he wanted a chance. No, he did say that he wanted a chance to get back together though. This poor bastard. Oh, this will not happen. Uh, Laurie is, yeah, not gonna reconcile. Laurie is not going to reconcile. Laurie organizes a weekend long retreat for the group of women who had gathered earlier in the year with Chattie Daddy. At first, she brainstormed gathered into the hotel in Scottsdale, but eventually they settled on having their retreat at Zulema's house. In attendance, or Laurie, Zulema, Melanie Gibbon, a woman named Serena Sharp, who flew out

to Arizona from New England. Chatt had last seen Sharp at a preparing a people conference near Boisey, the month before. At the conference, she hung out in a hotel room with Melanie Gibbon, Zulema, Chad had come by the room to speak to the women, give them special blessings, AKA boob squazings. Sharp will later alleged that he told the women

not to be surprised if they heard news that his wife, Tammy Debel, had just died in car accident. That's a fucking weird thing to say about someone currently alive and well. Chad said he needed to complete his earthly mission and for some reason that could not happen until she was dead. And none of these idiots now called a police to report what Chad has just said, right? His wife, her life is clearly in danger. After the conference, Charles drove over to Rexburg to look at property. She was interested in moving her family from the East Coast. Chad met up with Sharp at the BYU Idaho campus, told her that her husband was also likely

to die suddenly. Clearly, he's kind of trying to set things up so they can all be together. Instead of getting the fuck away from this madman, Sharp still decides to travel to Arizona for their treat at Salema's house in March. Once all the women had gathered at dilemma's house, Lori gave them new names, right? People they'd been in other lives. Melanie Gibb becomes feeble. Sharp becomes rena. Lori's niece Melanie Bordeaux is called Mariam.

When Lori didn't know how to say a name, she would just pull out her cell phone and call Chad to clarify. All of this was because of Lori explain Satan was ramping up his powers on earth, and the evil was so pervasive in this world. All of them needed to work together to rid the world of evil, and each of them had a critical power to do so. Serena Sharp was water, like a water elemental. So, Zulema was earth. Over the next few months, Laurie would mostly work alone with Chad, or the phone to systematically clear dark souls from the face of the planet by performing weird fucking rituals in April she texted Zilema that they had cleared several states

Working on the world Lori told her we cleared over 660 million in the US alone Also did Canada Mexico Greenland Did Greenland really worth mentioning right there's like 17 people over there Also, there's not 660 million people total in the US. So how could they clear that number, right? Are like multiple demons infecting single souls? Sorry, I keep trying to apply logic to this dribble.

On several occasions, Lori, Zilema, Melony, Serena, and sometimes others would hold their casting circles over Zoom, making arrangements through texts. On occasion, they peppered their communications with the mojis of the female symbol, a reminder of the uniquely feminine power. They believe their circle contained. Not sure if Chattie Daddy would have approved of that, right? Due to the action heroes, right? Easy, ladies. Easy. Can you text me a list of the powers we're going to use? Lori Texan's dilemma after Zoom meeting in May. Zulema wrote back,

uh, crystals vibrating fire ice water lightning wind storm sky fiery uh Charubum. Fucking vibrating fire. That's a new one. Fire that vibrates. I'm not sure exactly what that even means, but it does sound pretty sick. Later that month, Laurie informs Zulema that Serena Sharp, who she had thought could control water in their casting circles, was unfortunately now in the process of turning into a dark spirit.

Well, who's gonna control the water now in the witch-coven? I mean, Christian study group, or I'm actually not sure with her at this point. It's getting harder and harder to track. My heart is aching, is the limit texted, Chad? How do I make sense of this? Is this another trial of faith? God, these poor bastards.

There's always something they have to deal with. Fucking demons zombies. I'm always trying to ruin their magic circles. Chad said that Serena Sharpe had been texting him with a lot of questions, and he didn't feel good about her anymore either. Soon Sharpe would be ousted from the group and rightfully so, she'll later tell police night how that she was kicked out for quote asking too many questions. Once Lori had told her she was growing dark, she'd

started to ask what that meant, what was this dark thing, who was dark, who was light, how do you become dark or light, right, how dare she want to know which he's accused of becoming? The fucking nerve of this ungrateful half-ass water witch. She also pushed back when Laurie said that the group didn't need to repent for sins in the Bible. Laurie had said that they would not be tried for anything you did. Okay? And that sounded too serene, a lot like being above the law. In June of 2019, Charles Vallows marriage to Lori, is not surprisingly hanging out by thread.

He's the only one holding that thread. Two are now living apart. With Lori and the kids moving into a spacious house with a pooled in the backyard and Chandler, another Phoenix suburb, a house that Charles is, you know, paying for them to stay in. So that's cool. Charles moved back to Houston where JJ visited sometimes.

Charles had no idea that Lori was now referring to him as Hipplos. Hipplos, the zombie demon dark energy thing guy on June 2nd, Laurie and Zulema tried to use their fire powers now to crash Charles's truck with him and it's for some reason, it didn't work for some reason. They weren't able to conjure up enough vibrating flames to take out his truck. This is so insane. Grown-ass women not locked away in psychiatric treatment centers, actually thinking truly believing they can use their firepower to take somebody out, right? Later these two half-wits realized that JJ would have been in Charles truck the day they

tried to conjure their fire spell. There's a lemon now wondered God, what would have happened to him if the car crashed? As Zulema would later explain to investigators, Laurie told her that would have been fine. You know, JJ was not going to be around much longer anyway, much longer, right? He needed to pass on soon because he had another mission to complete in the celestial realm. So she had no problem. She had no problem trying to cause a car crash that would speed that up, right? JJ's days are numbered, but not because of any vision.

After this spell does ask for Lori wants to plan another meeting of the group of women in order to perform another casting. Ah, June 9th. She calls the women together, asking them to fast in advance, right? Get your power built up, build up your chi. And then at the meeting, they'll break the fast together, which is I guess pretty powerful. Zulema was there, Melanie Gibb, Laurie's niece, Melanie Bourdot is there. I kept forgetting to add that R in her last name.

Newcomer Christina Atwood came and became a and brought a friend named Nicole. They all gathered at Sulema's house and stood in a circle praying for Laurie's family and performing another death casting on Charles. Oh, and there was one more person here, Bubba Humps. Laurie's fuck brother. Lori explained to the group that they needed some hot brother dick. I mean, male energy in their circle. Apparently nobody there, other than Lori really liked him. Christina found Alex

to be loud and boisterous and completely unpleasant. After it is they all a dinner together, they talked about the casting, they just performed on Lori's estranged husband. And Christina would later say, Alex, I think twice in the evening, said something to the effect of he wished he could just kill Charles and Then Lori that night made a comment about having crushed up some pills and put it in Charles protein powder or shake stuff and Christina was shocked There were more interesting revelations as well. Both Melonese told the group. They were divorcing their husbands Lori's niece Melanie claiming that her husband, Brandon, was gay.

Melanie Gibb didn't give a reason for hers, but it seemed like just about everyone wanted to do away with the most important people in their lives. Cult, cult, cult! These fuckers are holding them back from their divine missions. By late June, Laurie created a new email account in Charles's name and sent a long email to Chad. Hello Chad, the email began. I hope you're doing well. This is Charles Valo from Arizona. We really enjoyed having you stay with us back in November when you came to the preparing of people conference. I appreciated you taking the time to talk to me about the book I've been working on. Well, more than six months later, I still haven't made much progress on it, but I feel an urgency

to get it done. As the managing partner of right planning group, I'm going to have the opportunity to speak at various conventions, beginning in the fall, but everyone says I need to have a book available that summarizes my life and shares the principles I follow. So I will cut to the chase. I'm willing to pay you to help me get this book into shape as my ghost writer.

I really liked your autobiography and the tone you took and sharing experiences without preaching. Is there any way you could come here for a couple days and help me get the book underway? I feel like talking in person would be much more valuable than a phone call or video chat, mainly because I would like you to read through some of my journals and explain to me how the publishing industry works. It'll help me know whether I truly have a book in me and whether you want to team up on it. I played minor league

baseball and have plenty of stories that my audience could relate to along with the knowledge I've gained running my own company. So I do feel the book would contain valuable information even beyond the convention circuit. I'm out of town until Saturday, but would gladly fly you down here early next week before the holiday and cover your expenses. You can stay in our guest room like before or in a hotel if you prefer. I hate to take you away from your family, but I know this book is vital to my speaking success. I understand if you don't want to take part in the project, but I would definitely make it worth your time with admiration, Charles. So why would Laurie do that? Well, it was so Chad could show this email to his wife and have an excuse to fly up and be paid to see his headwitch dry hump partner, probable fuck buddy. But Laurie's plan backfires.

Charles Vallow discovers the email and his fucking live it. Immediately figured out that Lori had written it. Chad will show his, could show his wife, or excuse me, immediately figured out that Lori had written fake emails. Chad could show his wife to explain why he needed to go to Arizona. The real Charles then wrote to Chad, Chad I'm Lori's husband, but I gathered you already knew this. She said an email yesterday,

supposedly written by me, inviting you to Arizona next week and to go write a book on supposedly working on its preposterous. I am not paying anybody for anything and I am not writing a book. Either you or Laurie need to tell me what's going on or this will be exposed for all to see

regards Charles Valor. No, fuck yeah. He also discovered that Laurie had sent videos to Chad of herself dancing. And so he wrote a follow up. Does your wife know you have several of Laurie's dance videos? Explain how that is in any way appropriate. I'm picturing these videos looking a lot like Britney Spears dance videos, by the way. Finally, Valor demanded that Laurie come clean about her affair.

When she didn't, he sent an email to Chad's wife, Tammy's work address at Central Elementary in Sugar Creek, Idaho, where she worked as a librarian. I think I said Sugar Creek, Sugar City. Sugar City is just five miles down the road from Rexburg, and he wrote Tammy. My name is Charles Valo. I have some vital and disturbing information

regarding your husband and my wife, Laurie. This is your work email, so I'll wait to send you the evidence that is very disturbing. You may call or email me from the address where you can receive the information. I apologize to be the one sending this, but something has to be done. I feel it's best if I shed some light on this issue, regards Charles Vallow. I love this, right? Charles seems to be handling all this with a lot of maturity. He has been placed into a horrifically stressful life situation, especially later in life.

He's 62. Having somebody wreck your life like this doesn't leave you with the same amount of time to rebuild it if it happens when you're like 32. Yeah, it's terrible. What's happening, Charles, and the story. Over the next few weeks, this will all seriously take its toll on Charles. Of course it does. He sends Lori Threats.

Begs are to talk to him. Tells her that she has destroyed him. Demands apologies. Nothing makes her budge. You sadly sometimes simply cannot reason with someone as deep into their magical thinking bullshit as Laurie now is. By this point, I think she's past saving. I think she's so gone that no one is going to be able to pull her out of this insane echo chamber. She has helped create maybe somebody could maybe if they had her involuntarily committed to a psychiatric center for a long time, but probably not even then. Right.

She's not actually insane. She's just chosen to believe very destructive and twisted religious adjacent teachings. Funny how one person can believe they can conjure vibrating fire and teleport and shit and get committed and Dyke knows what skits of freinia and be helped with anti-psychotic medicine and therapy But another person can believe the same things but can't be committed because they don't have a brain that's chemically malfunctioning They've just chosen to believe some seriously weird shit. I Feel like this in many ways is worse, right? There's no medicine you can take to get rid of a terrible belief system

And when you're this committed to a destructive spiritual belief system, it's so hard to break somebody away from it through therapy as well. It would have been better for almost everyone in this story if Laurie was simply just schizophrenic. In desperation, Charles finally reaches out to Adam Cox, right? The only one of Laurie siblings she's never fucked. I mean, the only one that lived outside of their tight knit family group. He told Adam everything he knew about Lori's bizarre belief system, the multiple probations, dark and light spirits, netch, kniter begged him to help. Probations, by the way, is just code for past lives. While the mainstream LDS church does not believe in reincarnation,

some early LDS apostles like Hebrew Kimball did and that belief has circulated in F LDS circles ever since. Adam was also worried about Lori. Lori and Alex, he agreed to fly to Arizona in early July and they could stage an intervention, but even then Charles was not certain anything would snap her out of it. He texted Adam, she'll see it as an attack on her personally. She will blame everyone else for her problems. Yep. Uh, he added, we are evil. She is a God. She truly believes it. The biggest problem is that she's got a whole group of people that believe they are special chosen. Know what's going to happen. I'm not sure of the relationship

with her and Chad daybell, but they are up to something. I was the only one brave enough to try and get her help in January and look what happened to me. The whole family put a scarlet letter on me. Maybe now they can see what they're up against. Indeed, much of the Cox family now hated Charles. Laurie had successfully turned them against him, except for Adam. So they hatched a plan. Adam would record her sister or his sister talking about her beliefs, then play that recording for a leader in the LDS church. Hopefully Lori's community would come together and try and straighten her out. But on July 9th, Lori found out about this plan and concocted a new one of her own. Pretty dangerous one.

She texted on East Melanie, the one who had been attending the crazy-ass casting meetings, the daughter of her late sister Stacy. Melanie considered her aunt to be like the mother she never had, and she had recently had a falling out with her father. Steve Cope, for raising her far away from coxies, separating her from what he felt was a dangerous and strange family. She had a falling out. I'm sorry with, oh my gosh, her husband.

I think I wrote down there. So there's so many fucking people in the story. Melanie even looked like Laurie wearing her hair in the same soft beachy blonde curls. No, what's her dad? Sorry, my God. Ah, Laurie texted Melanie and told her to cancel her upcoming plans to attend a wedding in Utah. You can't go at all. We both need to stay there and defend ourselves, Laurie texted. It's coming to a head this week. We'll change everything. She texted Alex making plans to keep Adam away from him. Like she knew if Adam got to his brother, he could sway the influence she had over him.

So she told him he could fuck her three times for real. No dry hump, full penetration, a brother P sister V. She even role play and pretend to be their grandma, just like Alex preferred. I honestly wouldn't be shocked if that was true but it's not. Now she texted him, I'm gonna need you to stay close to me the next couple of days, Mel too. It's all coming to a head this week. I will be like Nephi, I am told, and so will you.

Okay, so now it's a question of whose plan will prevail. Two days later, 737 AM, Charles Valo, Park's his rental car outside of the spacious brown home that he had rented for Lori, JJ, and Tyley. He'd offered to take the kids to school and was surprised to see Alex Cox's silver Ford backed up into the driveway. Alice here, Valo texted Adam at lorries. Adam responded that he thought his brother and sister were planning something. Absolutely, Valo wrote back.

Then Valo knocked on the door. Almost an hour later, at 8.32 a.m, Alex Cox will call 911. By the time this call was placed, Charles Vallow was almost certainly already dead. I gotten a fight with my brother-in-law and I shot him in self-defense. Alex said, is he hurt? Is he alive? Yeah, there's blood.

He's not moving. Alex said, how long ago did this happen? The dispatcher asked. A couple of minutes. Alex told another dispatcher that he had shot Charles in the chest and he was lying on the floor unconscious. They asked Cox to see if he was breathing. Said he couldn't tell. He said he didn't know how to do CPR. He answered, answered several more questions, telling 911 operator where the gun was, what kind of gun he owned, what his name was, what

his brother-in-law's name was, his breath stayed steady, even though he claimed he was doing chest compressions like the operator told him to do. He told the operators that the shooting had happened maybe five minutes before he dialed 911. Remember that number five minutes. A dispatcher now asked where you guys arguing with this happened? Yeah, Alex said he came out with a bat. The dispatchers told him to walk outside with his hands in the air when officers arrived,

passed the palm trees and manicured hedges. No weapons on me. He called out to the chandler, Chandler police officers arriving at the home. One told him to sit down on the curb and he did. The police would then ask Alex what had happened. Alex claimed that Vallow had arrived to pick up the kids and gotten physical with Lori who had then left. After Vallow wouldn't go away, Tyley came out with a bat and Vallow took the bat away from

her. He told me not to fear. He told me not to interfere anymore with them or I'd pay and then he came at me with a bat, he said. Valor then allegedly slammed Alex across the back of the head. Alex now ran upstairs and got a gun. As Alex spoke, Lori pulled up to the house. She parked her crimson red SUV, Valor's rental car, crossed the street, then walked to the house and towards her brother, Tiley, trailing behind her. Officers told them to car across the street, then walked to the house and towards her brother tally trailing behind her. Officers told them to wait across the street. Alex continued his story saying that he told Charles to stop, but Charles wouldn't.

Why did Alex return to the scene? The officers wanted to know why didn't he stay in the bedroom and close the door. Alex said that doing that didn't occur to him. I just went back into the living room and was like, what's your problem? I said, I want you to put the back down and he wouldn't do it. And he came in with the bat again after he already hit me in the head. So I shot him to stop him. That was it. Later, investigative reports from the Chandler Police Department will contradict Alex's story about what happened in the house that morning. When Laurie left the home with JJ and

Tyley after the scuffle, Alex had described she took Charles' phone with her and the officers presumed that Valo had already been shot by the time she left. GPS data from the phone showed that she left the house at 7.49 a.m. Just 12 minutes after Valo had parked in front of the home. She then made three stops. A security camera captured her in the drive-thru of a nearby Burger King where she bought a 10-piece chicken nuggets, 9-piece chicken fries, sprite, bottle of water, went to Walgreens where she purchased flip flops for herself and Tiley, then drove JJ to school and was back home at 8.48am.

Body cam footage of her shows her not upset in the least. If anything, she seems fucking giddy. Happy to know that zombie Charles, aka Hipplaus, AKA fucking Ned Schneider was dead. They shot him in Bubba Humps, made sure he died from his wounds before calling the police. Alex Cox did not call 911 until 832, within five minutes of the shooting, my ass, investigators presumed that Charles would have laid dead

or dying for approximately 43 minutes before Alex called 911. And before he called, Alex did call his sister twice, right, gave her the good news. And when investigators got there, they saw zero blood coming from Charles' body, which meant Alex had not done the chest compressions

as he'd claimed. Valo had been shot in the chest, just as Alex said, he'd been shot twice, but one of those shots had exploded into his chest while he was lying on the floor, shot from above by someone standing over him execution style, like how a hitman would loom over somebody while they begged for mercy. Officers also suspicious of Lori's behavior when investigators spoke to her outside the house, she barely reacted to the news. She smiled at one point laughed nervously about what the

neighbors must think. Did not look distraught at all. Excuse me, just the opposite. Look, Gidey. She told him her story, which sort of match Alex's said the Charles had loaded up JJ in the car, then came in saw Laurie holding his phone, the sighting raged him, and he started yelling at her. She ran away when Tiley came down with the bat, went into mom mode. She said, loading her kids into the car, taking off for the school. She explained that Alex called her and asked if she had left to take JJ to school. And she and she said yes and told him to call 911. What investigators didn't know at the

time was that Laurie was already texting her friends excitedly that hip-lose is gone. The day of Valor's death Chad made a call to a local funeral home to inquire about the cost of cremation and transporting ashes to Louisiana. The audio of the call haunting in its mundaneness. We just had a death in the family. We really don't want to do anything but a cremation and descend the remains of the family in Louisiana. Is there any way to know a ballpark price on that? I'm sorry for your loss to a woman on the phone said.

Okay, thank you. When she asked his name, he said Chad Debel. She asked him to spell it and he fucked up. DA-B-A-L. Then he pronounced it slightly differently and claimed that it was his uncle. John Myron Debel or DABAL, who had died. Uh-huh, clearly he's in on the murder too. Laurie and Chad broke the news to the rest of the family. Like Charles and sons from his previous marriage, Laurie informed them,

then promptly stopped answering their text when they asked what happened to their fucking dead. She just like, yeah, your dad's dead. Sorry. I know this is terrible news And then like what happened they're trying to call her how did he die? It just doesn't get back them for hours and hours and hours Laurie also broke the news to her son Colby Ryan who by then lived out of the house and was married with a child of his own Charles was the most important father figure he had ever had and she told him the Charles died of a heart attack That evening he came to the house where Tylie met him at the door through her arm and his brother. She was

trying to be okay, but she really wasn't. He told investigators. Also, he is shocked when Alex now informs him that Charles didn't have a heart attack. Now, Alex shot him. Laurie now begs Colby to fly to Houston with her to clean out Charles's house, and after much resistance and anger and confusion over why she lied to him about the heart attack he relented. And Houston has Lori Rifle through cabinets, it vows home, she remarked to her son that she was planning to get married again soon. Jesus, the fucking body is barely cold. Colby told her that seemed crazy and said it would be cruel to Tiley to introduce her

to yet another father in her life so quickly. And that was the end of the conversation. Even though two of Lori's ex-husbands were now gone, she still felt beset by demonic forces. And now she worried those forces were taken over her kids. She felt Tiley had been dark for some time. She and Chad even referred to as referred to her as Hillary. The zombie fucking monster first lady thing. Now JJ was going dark too

She texted Zulema dark spirits are attacking us daily. It is a constant battle They are getting to me through JJ right now fight fight fight is all we do Wish I had time for some fun stuff Is JJ okay? Zulema wrote back is he being possessed? They keep trying Lori said, but we keep fighting them off. It's constant though They keep trying, Lori said, but we keep fighting them off. It's constant though. Oh my God. She was also upset that Charles had changed his life insurance so that Lori was no longer the beneficiary. Something she found out about after she inquired about it. Excuse me. Something she found out after she inquired about it. Approximately two days after he died.

Fucking zombie demons. Won't even let her get paid. Also, there was one especially dark person who remained stubbornly alive. Chad's wife Tammy. She had not died in a car accident as Chad predicted. But both he and Lori were still convinced that Tammy's time on earth was growing shorter. Tammy is very close, exclamation point. Chad wrote shortly after Charles's death.

They even gave her her own Ned Schneider type, you know, demon name, which I mentioned of Viola. Lori was now making plans to move to Rexburg, which put pressure on Chad to quickly change his living situation. And on August 10th, just a month after Charles's murder, JJ answers video call from his grandparents. They wanted him to come to Memorial in Louisiana, but Laurie would not let him, telling Kay Woodcock that they were moving to Hawaii before school starts.

And her consolation prize was a FaceTime. She's a fucking heartless monster. Wouldn't it be much of a FaceTime? As soon as the call connected, he spoke with his characteristic enthusiasm, JJ did. But after a few minutes, his eyes flicked away to something off screen, and JJ said, I gotta go. Bye. Mom clearly called him away. What a piece of shit. This call lasted for a grand total of 35 seconds, And it would be the last time the Woodsocks would see their grandson. By the middle of August, Laurie was more frustrated than ever that she wasn't the only woman in Chad's life. Now a widow, she had to confront the reality that she was the other woman.

She had no life insurance money, 4 ex-husbands, 2 children to care for, and Chad's assurances that she was some sort of Messiah figure. She sent him a passive aggressive text, essentially calling their relationship off until he decided to make up his mind writing, Go have fun with your family, I really do want you to. I just, I can't be in the way anymore. If things change we can talk, but we have nothing until things change anyway. Several days later things had clearly changed after a talk with Chad,

Laurie placed an order for two simple wedding bands on Etsy. And on the last day of August 2019 Laurie drove with JJ and Tiley towards a townhouse on Pioneer Road and Rekspurg that would be their new home. She called the house Zion in text messages. At the house she would be alone with her children, nobody to doubt her, nobody to tell her no. If anybody asked about me or where I moved, you can just say I moved in with my brother, she texted Zulema, especially those who seek my destruction. By that she said she meant Serena Sharp and Christina Atwood now. Melanie Bordrow and Alex Cox also moved north through Expert, occupying two other townhouses on Pioneer Road. Alex texted Zulema that the move had been pretty good considering the dark portal we brought with us and who was this dark portal

tiley By September Lori is more paranoid than ever She believed that someone from the Cox family was out to kill her and that she needed Baba Humps to protect her Her brother Adam in particular. She said was a zombie But all was not darkness She made time to take her kids to Yellowstone on September 8th, snapping selfies by waterfalls and geysers, JJ and Tiley smiling, hugging for photos, looking happy. These will be the last photos of these poor kids ever taken while they're alive. Alex was there too, also looking happy. They dined to Buckaroo bills

in West Yellowstone, then drove back to Rexburg, arriving at 837 pm. An hour later, Alex ran out to the local Maverick gas station, just a few blocks away, returned to Rexburg, arrived at 8.37 pm. An hour later, Alex ran out to the local Maverick gas station. Just a few blocks away, returned to his sisters, where he remained until 11.15 pm, at which point he walked across the grass, over to the next row of townhouses, unlocked the door to 107 and went inside. Late that night, 242 am, Alex phoned Pinks. He's back inside his sister's townhouse, and he stays there for another hour and a half. Very likely killing Tyley. 437 AM he walks to the darkness back home again.

Odd, right? September 10th, 2019. The next day at 921 AM Alex Cox's phone Pings and Chad Davils backyard near the fire pit and near an area Chad's family used to bury pets. He was there for about two hours. His phone continually pinging, 1039, 1047, 1057. And then just a few minutes after Alex left, Chad Debel texted his wife Tammy, who was at work about eight minutes away. Well, I've had an interesting morning, he wrote, I felt I should burn all of the limb debris by the fire pit before I got too soaked by the coming storms. While I did so, I spotted a big raccoon along the fence.

I heard he didn't got my gun and he was still walking along. I got close enough that one shot did the trick. He is now in our pet cemetery, fun times. Investigators will later believe he is talking about tiley here, not a raccoon. Tammy didn't respond. I'm going to shower now and go right for a while at BYU. Love you. Chad added. Meanwhile, Alex dear to truck back towards Rexberg went to Del Taco for burrito. I mean, I'm angry. It's hungry. Digging to great for the niece, right?

He's just buried. The niece is almost certainly murdered and then buried. Two weeks later, Melanie Gibb and her boyfriend David Warwick visited Laurie for another whackadoodle. How do all these fucking idiots have the money and time to waste on all this bullshit conference in Rexpert? Laurie told him that Tiley wasn't around because, you know, she'd been killed by Bubba Humbs at her request. I mean, wasn't rolled as a student at nearby BYU Idaho.

But JJ was around being his normal goofy seven year old self. On the evening of Sunday, September 22nd, Warwick and Gibb were sitting with Laurie and her kitchen recording an episode of their Feel the Fire podcast. When Alex Cox slowly opened the front door of the townhouse, JJ was asleep in Alex's arms when he came into the house and Alex tipped toeed upstairs with JJ, putting the boy to bed and Lori's bedroom, or maybe not putting him to bed because he was already dead. And Lori knew that and didn't stop giggling and that didn't stop her excuse me from giggling and chatting on her shitty

podcast. In the middle of the night, after everyone had gone to bed, Melanie and David woke up, David had a bad dream. They decided to wake up Laurie for a blessing. But when Melanie knocked on Laurie's door, nobody answered. Huh. Chad didn't pick up his phone either. The next morning Laurie was in the kitchen, visiting, uh, or venting to her friends about how JJ had officially now become a zombie. JJ had always been immensely strong. She said, but now he crawled up onto the kitchen counter, boosted himself on top of the fridge

and knocked a frame photo or a painting of Jesus, a frame photo of Jesus. She had a photo of Jesus. They knocked on the floor. And that was the last straw. Lori told Melanie she was thinking to call on K Woodcock. J.J.'s grandma asked her to take J.J. off his hands once for all.

Stop maybe she could make up a story, you know, Laurie would say she's sick, has breast cancer, and just couldn't care for the boy anymore. So fucked. She's having too much fun with Chad and other delusions, taking care of her son, just does not interest her anymore. She said she could meet Kay in an airport and handoff J.J. would be easy.

She knew Kay would do absolutely anything to be with him. Melanie encouraged her to do it. Friends said goodbye. Melanie and David departed. It's not she told Melanie all this after JJ was likely dead. Also, her friends had a good reason for JJ, you know, not being around anymore. That morning, 9.55 a.m. Alex Cox's phone is back to the daybell property underneath a tree at the pond, backed by the pet cemetery, a fucking dead giveaway that another body is being buried. Also that day, two photographs uploaded Lori's iCloud account from a gun store, two snapshots of boxes of rifle ammunition.

September 24, Lori calls staff at Kennedy Elementary saying that she was withdrawing her son and no one will see JJ alive again. Week later, October, Lori, uh, in October, Lori began renting a 10 by 10 foot store unit storage unit at self storage plus, sorry, my mouth is working less well than normal today. October 2nd, around 2.25 PM, she pulled up with Chad. He got out, pulled a spare tire from the trunk, rolled along the cement hallway into the storage locker.

Together they hefted a car bench seat inside, the kind that would make up an entire back row of seating in an SUV of reasonable size. As they left Chad ran his hand down her back and across the seat of her buttocks. The next day Lori was back at storage plus with Alex, who carried the tire on the seat outside of the car without her buttocks. The next day Lori was back at storage plus with Alex who carried the tire on the seat outside of the car without her help. Probably just getting rid of evidence right here. Her brother returned to the storage unit throughout the month. Once he came with someone who looked

like Chad and the two men wheeled scooters and bicycles, real bikes, not ladies, including one with training wheels inside. They carried in boxes of photo albums and handmade blankets with photographs that JJ and Tiley stitched onto them. Laurie's earlier Etsy order for wedding bands have been canceled and so she placed a new order on Amazon using Charles Valos account. A cheap, simple silver wedding, silver wedding band in leg with bright green Malachite.

Meanwhile Chad logged on to a vow where he discussed an article with the site's moderator, Christopher Prett, that had been posted from a blog called Natural News, a well-known conspiracy site titled, The Collapse Will Be Local. Former military intelligence, special forces veterans explain why your proximity to left-wing cities may determine your fate. In it, he argued that left-wing activists would be the source of America's looming civil war and labeled them all zombies.

Excellent article, Chris. Chad wrote, if the liberals had towards Rexburg, though, do we just shoot the zombies as they approach the Yukon overpass on the highway 20? Fuck. Around the same time somebody tries to shoot Brandon Bordero. Melanie Bordero's estranged husband from a green Jeep in a dry by shooting. Brandon's window shatters and the car takes off luckily they had missed. He had an idea of who shot at him, no.

Melanie was the only person who had known where he had moved to coordinate drop-offs with the kids. Had she told Laurie Chad and most importantly, Alex, the sister, a humping hit man where he lived. Wasn't lost on Brandon that Melanie was the beneficiary of his life insurance policy. Probably time to chain that shit up. Few days later on October 9th, Chad's wife, librarian Tammy Debel, is returning home from

meeting of the relief society in LDS women's organization, where she had been prepping freezer meals. She pulled her car into the driveway under the large Golden House numbers, got out, and as she was unpacking the back seat, sees a dude standing near the back of her car as if he'd been waiting for her to get home. He has a paintball gun and is wearing a ski mask. Tammy Screams yells for Chad, who was inside the house, the man in black flees,

running around the side of the brick house, and across the backyard. Tammy calls the police, also makes a post on Facebook, in case anyone else had seen him. Okay, neighbor, she wrote, something really weird just happened, and I want you to know so you can watch out. I'd gotten home and parked in our front driveway as I was getting stuff out of the back seat a guy wearing a ski mask Was suddenly standing by the back of my car with a paintball gun. He shot at me several times

Although I don't think it was loaded. I yelled for Chad and he ran off around the back of my house I have no idea what his motive was and he never spoke even after I asked him several times what he thought he was doing I was about to smacking with my freezer meals from enrichment tonight when I decided to yell for Chad instead. It is thought this masked man was Alex Cox, right? Bubba, Bubba Humps, lover and a fighter. It's thought that Chad had this all set up so that when he later kills his wife, you know, it can make it seem like this masked man must have done it.

And just 10 days later, October 19th, Tammy is found dead in her bed. She's 49. The day bells, eldest son, Garth was sleeping when he heard a loud thump in his parents' bedroom. Then he heard his dad chat, start to shout. He left out of bed, ran into his parents' bedroom where he saw his mother lying half in the bed, half out of it, and he pulled her back onto the bed. I think she's dead.

He told his dad who was wandering around the room now, saying stuff like, why? How could this happen? Right, doing some shitty acting. When the corner arrived, the day belt family declined an autopsy. The corner, corner, will later declare that she died of natural causes.

But you know that didn't happen. Chad said that Tammy had been going to bed earlier and earlier each night, recently, grasped gasping for breath with some kind of cold. The news shocked Tammy's family in Utah, right? She had visited only weeks before and seemed to be in great shape, very healthy. The best shape of her life, eagerly taking zoom on clogging classes.

Chav, clogging, chav, would get a life insurance pay out of $430,000. Tammy was buried back in Springville, Utah. Her family was weirded out that a bunch of Chad strange contacts from his publishing company kept showing up. One guy even handing out fucking business cards during her burial. After the funeral Chad takes his younger brother Brad aside and hints that he may remarry very soon. Chad tells his brother about a woman he'd recently met. Uh-huh. A widow who owned homes in Hawaii in Arizona and Idaho. This was shocking to Brad who

thought his brother would be a hermit and also his wife had just died a few fucking days ago. Chad said he wouldn't even wait six months to get married. Turns out Chad wouldn't even wait one month. Chad and Laurie get married in Hawaii wearing bright white clothes and purple orchids around their next November 5th 2019. Not much of a period of mourning for their spouses. Neither one seemed upset, they're both tiley and JJ, our fucking dead, to most of the rest of the world.

They're not even considered missing yet. There were no friends, no family, at the secret beach wedding. Days after the wedding, the pair inquires at the Kauai beach resort about Renton House. They say they have no children with them. When they head back to the mainland,

they break the news that they are married to Chad's five grown children, who I'm sure were thrilled. November 26th, the pair of police detectives are now dispatched to a townhouse on Pioneer Road. They want an answer to one question, or the fuck is JJ? Where is the seven-year-old boy with the wide toothy grin in the laugh that shook his whole body. Nobody could say how long he'd been missing for. Days, weeks, months, he had to be somewhere that they thought. Excuse me. As they made their way through the Rock Creek Hollow community, the detectives passed houses in the same muted beige tone with the same faux brick facades, same tightly clipped

sections of green lawn. There were a couple decorations out since it was two days before Thanksgiving, bundles of dried cornstarchs and pumpkins. The Vallow family lived in unit 175. Detectives knew that they hadn't been there long since they'd come out of state to live in the remote town of 28,000. Detectives just didn't know why they'd come. They knocked on the door, expecting Lori Vallow to answer, but instead two men come to the door. One is Alex Cox, right? Lori's brother. They didn't know that Lori thought of Alex as her protector, her guardian angel, her backup orgasm provider.

When there's no one else around to passionately dry hump. Other man is Chad Debel, detective Ray Hemersio, Hermosio, asked the two men of JJ Valor was at home. Neither man said a word for a few moments. Alex then looked at Chad said that his nephew was out of town, visiting his grandma in Louisiana. But Hermesio knew that wasn't true. In fact, Kay Woodcock had called the police at a desperation to track down her grandson. She had no idea where he was. You know, where he was and where Lori was. Hermesio now asked the men for Lori Valor's phone number, but

they both said they didn't have it. Instead Alex pointed to a row of townhouses, you know, another row of them unit 107 where he said they thought Lori might be. Detective Dave Hope now made his way to that townhouse as he did. He noticed Chad Debel driving away in a black Chevy Equinox. Hermesio waved him down asked him about the last time he saw JJ. Chad told the detective that he had seen the boy in unit 107 in October, one month prior. Hermesio asked him for Lori's phone number, but once again, Chad claim he didn't have it. Said he didn't really know her. He didn't only met a couple of times.

It's like they were married or something. Detective Ray Hermesio also knew that wasn't true. He knew that Chad was in fact Lori's new husband. That's why he's this fucker line. Right? JJ's appearance suddenly seems very, very bad. Something's happened to him. Hermesio pressed for Lori's phone number, Chad finally caves, but not before adding that

he felt the police were accusing him of something. Hermesio now lets the man go on his way, but obviously he is very suspicious of him. Detective takes his phone out of his pocket, calls a station. Meanwhile nobody had answered Detective Hope's knocks at Unit 107. When he returned to 175. Alex has not answered the door there either. On the phone, Hermesio spoke to his lieutenant who instructed him to go directly to the Madison County Prosecutors' office.

Get a fucking search warrant. Later that morning, new pair of detectives would arrive at the doorstep of Lori's beige townhouse, Detective Dave Stubbs, and Lieutenant Ron Ball. This time, Lori answers the door cheerly. Bites him to come on inside. Detective noticed that at 46 years old, Laurie still looks the part of the beauty queen and cheerleader. She had been as a young woman.

Dreamy blonde curls, sparkling blue eyes, brilliant white smile, athletic figure. As Laurie showed the men inside, she told the detectives that she'd just hung up the phone with Detective Hope. He would call asking about the whereabouts of her son. This is a big mess, she told him. So JJ would be where?

Ball asked. He's one of my friends in Arizona, my friend Melanie. Her son has autism, she explained. Laurie told him that JJ was also diagnosed as autistic and before the family had moved north to Idaho, he had been enrolled at a school for children with special needs. For a while, he had his own trained service dog,

a curly black golden doodle named Bailey. Lieutenant Ball explained that they were still concerned as neither Chad nor Alex knew anything about this. What was going on? She told him, annoyance at the edge of her voice, it's because a lot of stuff has gone on. If you wanna know, that's why we're concerned, stuff said. Laurie agreed, it is very weird.

I've had to move around a lot. One of my brothers is trying to kill me. She claimed her other brother, Adam Cox, had been colluding with her estranged husband to kill her in order to collect her multi-million dollar life insurance policy, and he had recently arrived in Rexburg, menacing and threatening her. It's been a horrible year for us. I've had to move around, she said. They had only recently arrived in Rexburg from Arizona, and Lori had enrolled JJ at a public school a little over a mile away. But really, nothing was going right and she was making plans already to move back to Arizona

so her son could reenroll in his old school with his old teachers in that familiar place. The move to Idaho wasn't what she hoped for. As she spoke, it seemed like Lori truly had nothing to hide. She just kept talking unspool in a strange story in which she was a herald single mother trying to keep her children safe from threats. Also seemed clear from what Laurie was saying that she and Kay were not on good terms. Laurie told the Rexburg detectives that Woodcock threatened her in emails and had given her the sense that she was trying to build some kind of case against her, even though she had

been the one, slided when Charles died, because he had left all his money to Kay and not Laurie. Laurie then started talking about her daughter, Tiley. She said she'd moved so that Tiley could attend BYU Idaho just up the hill. The detectives were by this time very puzzled. The last question they had was about Chad. What was his last name? Debel. Laurie answered. Doesn't he live like out in the... Wait, isn't that the Chad Debel that Lieutenant Ball stumbled over his words? Didn't his wife pass away recently?

I think so. She said, minutes later, Stubbs and Ball knocked once more on the door saying they would just need to one more thing, the number of Melanie Gibb, so they could locate JJ in the confusion of Lori's rambling story that almost forgotten their real reason for coming. She said she'd have Melanie call them and give them and gave them her phone number. Uh, the detectives tanker said goodbye and went on their way. Meanwhile, Chad Debel now called Melanie Gibb, right? Laurie's friend from Arizona warned her that the Rexburg police would be calling and asking

about JJ. If her phone rang, he said, just don't pick up. Not suspicious at all. Melanie felt sidelined, confused. Why exactly were the police calling her? What was going on? Where was JJ? Weeks earlier, Laurie had told Melanie

she'd handed J.J. off to Kay Woodcock at an airport. That whole fake breast cancer story. Now on the phone with Chad, Melanie asked for details about J.J.'s whereabouts, but he had no answers. He only emphasized that she must not pick up the phone. Melanie did not understand, but still said she'd do what he asked. And when the police called, initially Melanie did not answer. The detectives then called authorities in Gilbert, Arizona where Melanie lived. When an officer from the Gilbert Police Department

phoned Melanie later, she did answer. And she lied to them claiming the boy had been with her, but she had since given him back to his mom, Laurie. Melanie fabricated a story about the whereabouts of a seven year old boy and had no fucking idea why she was even doing so. So many terrible decisions being made in this suck by so many strange people such as soap opera. Couple hours later, Lori called Melanie, sounding cheerful and upbeat. She also wouldn't answer Melanie's questions about JJ. Instead, she asked Melanie to go somewhere where there were children running around and just to know a snap of photo. Melanie would not do that though. She wanted out of this mess. She's worried about J.J. The next morning, November 27th, with no law enforcement officer in either Idaho or Arizona

had yet located J.J. Detective Hermosio returned to the Bayes Town Home community. This time was search warrants for 107, 175, and 174 where Lori's niece lived. Once inside, he found all three unoccupied. In 107, where it turned out Alex Cox had lived, the police found several guns and little else. Their concern for JJ amplifies. In 175, where Laurie had told her story of persecution to the police the day before, Hermesio found food in the refrigerator, cans and boxes of cereal in the pantry, and the beds were made up with sheets.

A half bottle of pills with JJ's name on the label sat on the kitchen counter, prescription respirodone, which can treat irritability associated with autism. There were toys. Excuse me, a framed picture of Jesus Christ, almost at photo again. That photo, that photo of Jesus on top of the refrigerator. A mess of unoccupied hangars dangangled from the rods and empty closets. The dresser drawers were empty. They had no idea where Lori was.

Now Melanie begins to get real worried. She hasn't spoken to Lori or Chad for two weeks. On December 8th, she decides to call them up and record the call. Finally, finally someone other than Charles Valo acting smart in the story. Hail Memoron. Immediately, Valow acting smart in the story. Hail Nimron. Immediately Chad's voice comes through the receiver. Hello, sweet Melanie. Hi Chad, hey Laurie, Melanie said trying to sound upbeat.

How are you guys? We're okay Laurie said. How are you doing babe? I'm doing pretty good thanks. I was wondering where are you guys? We're just hanging out Chad said and then let a little giggle burst forward. Yeah, are you an Idaho? We're nowhere near Idaho.

He responded and chuckled again. It's also funny. It's so fucking funny how the kids and your wife are dead. Melanie asked, I just wanted to ask you a question if you don't mind, Laurie. Yeah, of course, honey. Melanie asked why Laurie had told her the JJ was at K Woodhawks, K Woodcock's house in Louisiana. Laurie paused before answering.

Well, I had to move him somewhere else because of her actions. She said, Melanie was still confused. Had K Woodcock tried to take JJ away from Laurie? Melanie followed up. When I asked Chad the other day, I was like, Hey, I'm where's JJ? And he said for my security, he didn't want me to know. So is there a reason I should be in danger to know where he is? No, Laurie said it's the danger that there's people after me. Chad chimed in. No. So is there a reason I should be in danger to know where he is?

No. It's the danger that there's people after me. Chad chimed in. We thought that if you knew that put you in danger. Well, just in a bad position, Lori clarified. Yeah, in a bad position, Chad affirmed. Everybody, if they don't know anything, then they don't have to say they know. Lori said in a sing song to her voice, I'm just trying to keep

him protected. Melanie thought she detected a sneer in Lori's voice now and keep you protected. Chad said to Melanie. She asked why Lori told the police that JJ was in Arizona. I just needed to use somebody. Lori stuttered. So I wouldn't have to tell them where he really was because they were going to tell Kay where he is. Is JJ safe? Melanie asked he is safe and happy. Lori said, Melanie wanted to know why then were Lorraine Chad being so secretive. I'm just not telling anybody so that nobody has to say where he is or get question where he is so I can keep him safe as possible. Lori said now sounding annoyed. Melanie kept pressing. Why had Alex told her that she did not want to know

where JJ was? Why did he say JJ could not be found? What did that mean? Lori repeated herself. If no one knows, no one can tell where he was. Melanie had one more question. How long are you going to be away for? Like, are you ever going to be able to come out

and come back to society again? I will do whatever the Lord need me to do every day. Lori said, fuck sake. For the rest of the call, Lori alludes to people working with the police who are after her. Darkness is knocking on the door all the time because that's the way dark works with the light. And I promised you that I've done nothing wrong in this case.

Lori says at one point. Then Lori starts heaping on the flattery saying she loves Melanie so much. If you really love me, Melanie replied, you tell me where JJ is. Not tell the police that I had him. I do, Lori said, and I did exactly what I felt the Lord was instructing me to do, and I appreciate you, and I love you, and I would never do anything to harm you.

Now Melanie pulls out the big guns. I believe that you have been very deceived by Satan. Melanie says, you know me, Mal, you know me. Lori urged, this does not sound like you. This sounds like you've been influenced by somebody dark who wants you to believe dark things and have fear of the celestial world.

Of course, so predictable. Anyone who confronts, he's fuck heads about anything. They're only doing it because of Satan. Stand for Christ when he comes again, Lori offers, and he's coming soon. And we will all stand there and you will know at that point that he is supporting me

and has supported me the whole time and I have not been deceived. Conversation wound down and Laurie offered one last pronouncement and for your own safety, I wish you didn't have as much knowledge as you have as you will be accountable for the knowledge you do have Mel. She sounded furious and also

early calm. The fuck is going on, right? Meanwhile 6.30 a.m. December 11th Tammy's body quietly exhumed in an autopsy is performed. She'll be back in the ground by 2.30 p.m. The findings will not be made public for years, but I think you know what they found that she was murdered. December 11th 2019 Alex Cox wakes up to his new normal. The plan had been for him to stay in Rexburg, but instead he'd moved Arizona and was living with Zulema with whom he had started a relationship.

They actually got married two weeks earlier in November 29th at a chapel of love in Las Vegas. Alex changed his name and the marriage certificate to Alex Pastenas. The marriage according to the security guard present seemed odd and cold, like it was just business. Melanie Bourdreau got married in Las Vegas the following day. Mary demand named Ian Paloski. Paloski, she's been dating for less than two weeks. The only

witness at the ceremony was Alex. Another cold ceremony. More business. Part of Chad's visions, perhaps. After the wedding, Zulema complained that the long drive had been rough on her back and Alex offered to give her a massage. And for some strange reason she recalled later, he said, we needed to find a Walmart, because he wanted to buy this big huge piece of plastic to put on the bed so the oil wouldn't get on the bed. But it was one of those you put on the floor when you paint. In the room, Alex spread this painting drop cloth on the bed, told Zulema to lie on top of it. Zulema fell asleep during the massage when she woke up, she heard Alex talking on the phone to someone who she thought was either Laurie or Chad. And later she would wonder if that was supposed to be her last

day. If the drop cloth had been to hold her dead body and keep things from getting too messy. But the night passed without any incident and they settled into the routine. Mostly Alex seemed to just hang out around the house creeping out to Alemma's kids. But then the next morning, December 12th, he collapsed in the bathroom. Couldn't seem to get enough air. There was a lemon sun called 911,

trying not to gag from the smell in the room where Alex had just defecated. Then soon he lost consciousness. By the time he got to the hospital, he was dead. He had shit himself to death. And you know what, good, fucking love it. It's rare, but it happens. He pushed too hard, way too hard.

And he shit out his entire large intestines, spleen, and most damaging, he shit out of spirit. A corner related to determine that he got snagged for a second on a scroat, but then he kept pushing and he shit his soul completely out of his body. And that's how he died. Or had a blood clot in his lung, or that's what for sure happened.

After his death, when Alex became a key suspect in the deaths of JJ Valor and Tyler Ryan, Snephunease, Gilbert police would re-examine the circumstances around his sudden demise and reach the conclusion that he did die from natural causes. Died in natural causes at the age of 51, after almost certainly murdering at least three people. In mid-December, 2019, the Rexburg PD announces

to the public that two children were officially missing, JJ and Tiley, and nobody knew where Lori and Chad were. Actually, a couple of people knew. Jack and Sheila Debel, along with Brad Debel, Chad's younger brother. They knew that Chad and his wife were living it up in Hawaii far away from a massive police hunt. They spoke on the phone almost every day,

Jack urging Chad to let him help with all this mess, but Chad kept turning him down. Finally in late January, the story broke kind of. Word got out that the couple had never been hiding in a dusty remote bunker surrounded by canned food in an arsenal of guns. In fact, they had been hiding in the exact opposite, a 1700 square foot condominium in Princeville, Khoi with three bedrooms in a view of a resort golf course. February 20, 2020 police arrest Lourian Hwai and will

extradite her to Idaho soon. Hail Nimrod. She's finally getting fucking caught. She faces charges in Madison County, Idaho, including two felony counts of desertion and non-support of dependent children, as well as three misdemeanors. Her bail is set at five million in Hawaii, and then once she's transferred to Idaho, it'll be one million. May and May, Lori will appear in court and Rexburg to further request a further reduction of her bail, which is denied,

because she rarely attended her virtual court hearings, live streamed to the world because of COVID, for more than a year, Lori Valow remained out of sight. Out of reach the cameras, Laurie faded into the beige, nothingness of the Madison County jail in downtown Rexburg. She lived in a cell, smushed between a law office, and I love this. And an O'Reilly auto parts store. Oh, oh, oh, O'Reilly auto parts.

Fucking just right next to that is Lori is Lori Vallow. She gave no interviews with JJ and Tiley still missing. It was looking a bit like she might escape murder charges, but then something blows the case wide open. Seven o'clock the morning of June 9, 2020, detectives arrive at the daybell residents in Salem, Idaho. They had something important to warrant to search the home. The home have been purchased five years before, right, a 10 brick house, residents in Salem, Idaho. They had something important to warrant to search the home.

The home had been purchased five years before, right at Tan Brickhouse, 1600 square feet, broken up into four bedrooms and a couple common areas. Front yard had a rope swing. On the day the detectives arrived, it was blowing in the breeze. Outback was a red barn. Not a commercial barn, but enough space to, you know, have a few animals, grow some corn and a lot outback and sustain a family for a little while. There was a chicken hut, you fire pit, small pond. Chad was there. He stepped away from detectives and waited in his silver SUV around 11 a.m. His cell phone rang a call from an inmate, the Madison County jail and downtown Rexburg.

It was his wife. Hi, babe. Lori chirped. Hi, Lori. Are you okay? They're searching the property. He told her as he kept looking over his shoulder toward the field, toward the pond, toward the fire pit. The house right now. Yeah. Are they seizing stuff? Again, they're searching. He said,

so we'll see what transpires. What do you want me to do? Pray, Chad toller. They both knew the call was being recorded. I love you so much. I love you. Should I try and call you later, Lord? Yes, you can try. He said, I'll answer if I can. Okay. I love you. And I'll talk soon. Okay, baby. Lord, he said, I love you outside the silver SUV, cadaver dogs sniffed the earth and tentally focusing in on the area around the rickety old barn. There was a four foot by two foot area of freshly laid sod that seemed to interest them. When officers rolled back the sod, they revealed large, flat stones lying side by side. Under the stones, planks of wood, and an odor. Rexburg Police Detective Ray Hermesillo, headed on the forest for 19 years at this point,

had responded to enough fatalities to recognize the unmistakable smell of a decomposing human corpse. The smell, a dead giveaway that a body is near. They give away, they give away, my never got big testicles because we see this do it every day, every day. The officer's dug and dug at the earth until they exposed the shiny surface of a black plastic garbage bank. When they cut it open, they revealed the crown of a small head covered in light brown hair and it's JJ. Wearing red pajamas, still wearing black socks, his body had been wrapped in layers and layers of duct tape, his hands stuck together like he was praying, a bag had been placed over his head.

Immediately Chad started his car and tried speeding away down north 1900 east. A dead giveaway, he was guilty. I'm not going to torture you. With that ear room again, ear worm again, so soon I'll just play it. I don't want you to think that me saying dead giveaway is a dead giveaway, I'm gonna play some dead giveaway. They're giving away. They're giving away.

My never got big testicles because we see this through every day. Every day. Sorry, not sorry. Chattie Doomsday Daddy's escape attempt is a fruitless one. Officers who close the road and roads in every direction, sorry, not sorry. Uh, chatty doomsday daddies escape attempt as a fruitless one, officers who closed the road and roads in every direction. They quickly pulled him over and arrested him in a gray polo shirt, jeans and a baseball hat, hands cuff behind him, Chad walked, resigned towards a police cruiser, which would take him to be booked in the nearby freemont county jail, which was near a, uh, Napa auto

parts, no, I don't know what auto parts have to do with that jail. Uh, he'd been arrested for obstruction or concealment of evidence and later charged with felony murder. His bail set it a million dollars next day. Back at the property, kid avidogs, pick up another sent near the fire pit, a neighbor told police that the day bill family had held several large bond fires the previous fall.

When investigators began digging there, they found the bones of a long dead cat and a dog. Then the unearthed, what Hermesia would describe in a courtroom as a Mass of burnt flesh and bone and a melted green bucket filled with even more scorched flesh Underneath at all lay a partial human skull It was the remains of 16 year old tiley Ryan completely unrecognizable. She'd been torn apart and charred to bits June 10th 2020 the woodcock and Ryan families confirmed that the human remains found on Chad's property are those of Tyler and JJ, this finding officially confirmed by Rexburg police June 13th. July 2nd prosecutors dropped two charges against

Laurie related to desertion and non-supportive dependent children and instead charged her with obstruction or concealment of evidence regarding her children's remains. July 17th and light of the two felony counts against Lori having been dropped. Her bond is actually lowered by Madison County judge Michelle Mallard. Bond said at 50,000 for each charge, totaling 150 grand. Luckily, still too much for her to post. She is now out of friends who can help her. Almost everyone but Chad is a dirty no good zombie and he's behind bars too. It was further noted that Chad was still need to post a million dollars in Fremont County to be released from jail.

Laurie's trial date is set for January 25th to 29th, 2021, but almost a year later, her charges will change again in civil chats. May 25th, 2021, Chad and Laurie now indicted on charges of conspiracy to commit first degree murder and grand theft by deception for the deaths of Tiley, JJ, and Tammy. Laurie also charged with grand theft related to social security survivor benefits. Chad faced an insurance fraud charge related to a life insurance policy he had on Tammy for which he was the beneficiary and received funds after her death. Two days later, Laurie has found incompetent and unfit to stand trial, and her case is stayed. In 2020 or it should be 2022, she'll be deemed competent to stand trial for months of mental health treatment, then deemed incompetent again, then again

deemed competent. Apparently, here results showed that she suffered from hyper religiosity and an unspecified personality disorder with histrionic and narcissistic features. I forgot that hyperreligiosity is actually classified by the DSM-5 as a psych psychiatric disturbance, defined as experiencing intense religious beliefs or episodes that interfere with normal social and work functioning. It's often associated with abnormal brain functioning and other psychotic disorders, but not always.

Laurie from what I can tell doesn't have these other issues. Just chose to adhere to a very shitty belief system. Let's fast forward two years. May 12, 2023, Lori Vallow, found guilty Lori Vallow, Debel, found guilty of all criminal charges against her in the Boise, Idaho courtroom.

At the trial, Tammy Debel's autopsy results were officially revealed she had died of asphyxiation by someone else, aka she was fucking strangled, in bed, and while she was in bed with Chad. Before Lori Sensing, Lori addressed the court for almost 10 minutes with so much fucking crazy, claiming just like Chad that a near death experience allowed her to communicate with the spirit world. Her mental health treatment did nothing to help her. She still believes all the same shit. Still thinks that, you know, everything she did, all of it, all part of God's plan for her, and that she would still have a major role and be rewarded for all she's been through in the

end times. I have a feeling she will grow old and die in prison, never wavering in this belief. She told the judge that she knew for a fact that her children and Tammy Debel were happy in heaven. Actually, it's saying this in court. Tiley and Josh, uh, Josh way no, JG had communicated with her that they're happy after their deaths. Jesus knows me and Jesus understands me. She said, I'm mourn with all of you who mourn my children and Tammy. Jesus Christ knows the truth of what happened here.

Jesus Christ knows no one was murdered in this case. Jesus knows you're supposed to kill your kids sometimes. I think it get zombie fight up. Judge Boyce will reply, after all of this evidence in trial, you haven't shown any remorse. You haven't said you're sorry. You haven't done anything to seek leniency from this court.

Prosecutors read a statement Monday written by her oldest child, Colby, who said that his mom's actions have kept him from being able to share his life with the people he loves the most. My children will never know their uncle, their aunt or grandfather or even their grandmother. He said in the statement, tiley and jj brought so much light into this world with their life stolen. I'd like to share this. I believe nothing could or ever will be the same. July 31st, 2023, Lori sends to consecutive life sentences for respectively, the murder of tiley, the murder of jj and the conspiracy to commit murder charge of Tammy in addition to fines and restitution for grand theft charges.

There is no chance she will ever get out of prison. Unless, of course, you can figure out her witch teleportation stuff and open up a fucking light worker wizard portal in her cell, which I'm guessing she believes is possible. Maybe first take out the zombie CEOs with level six vibrating fire. Larry Woodcock spoke to reporters following the sentencing did not speak highly of Lori's statement in court. He said, that was a bucket of shit. Sure was Larry nailed it.

Lori still needs to face additional criminal charges in Arizona as of October 2023. A judge had signed over her extradition to face charges related to the death of Charles Vallow and the attempted hit on Brandon Bourdot or Bourdot. And what about Chad Debel? He faces six charges all related to the murders of Tammy, JJ and Tiley. Jury will not hear Chad's case until 2024. The judge in the case, Judge Stephen Boyce set the trial date for April 1st at the eight of county courthouse and boy see as of this recording he could still face the death

penalty the judges not decided. Chad's five adult children have come to their father's defense and told 48 hours they're convinced of his innocence. How unfortunate he is clearly still manipulating them they are brainwashed. Sad he can't just come clean. But I guess if he was arrogant and delusional enough to think that he's God's most important person on earth, you know, he's also arrogant and delusional enough to think he's, uh, maybe not going to die in prison. His kids believed the way J.J.

and Tyler were found buried shadowly, suggests their father, former grave digger was not involved. And it would have been smart enough not to bear the bodies on his own property. He was framed. This is his property. If there's bodies buried here, it would be attributed to him, said Emma Murray, his eldest daughter. Emma, your dad's a fucking monster. Sooner you can come to terms with that,

sooner you can say goodbye and start to heal. It's fucking obvious to the rest of the world that he killed your mom. Smothered her in her bed as she lay asleep next to him. And he wanted, his side pieces kids dead and out of the way so he could be done with dry hump and even, you know, fuck a hot woman who worshipped him

and shared his delusions all the time. I hope he ends up on death row. I guess we'll see in just a matter of months and that is it for this monstrous timeline. Good job, soldier. You made it back. Barely. Lori Vallow and Chad Debel. There will be more of their stories, but man,

we still had plenty to tell a tale today, right? I think it's probably the longest episode we've done. I really tried to edit everything down to something closer to two hours, but I just couldn't figure out what to cut. Too many darkly entertaining details, right, such a weird story with so many twists and turns. How many others living free out in the world right now

believe something similar to what they believe? The story made me think about that, right? These fuckers looked and could act when they wanted slash needed to, so very normal. No crazy profit beards, no weird clothes, not out on street corners, you know, preaching strange apocalyptic shit to the general public. I mean, Lori looked like a hot mom who wore fashionable clothes,

got many pennies, spent a lot of money on her hair, probably did Pilates or CrossFit or something when she wasn't drinking wine with her friends. If I would have seen her at a restaurant or Starbucks, would not have thought twice. She looked like a rich housewife. Chad, you know, it looks like your average suburban dad. Some guy at sea leaving his accounting or law firm

on the way home or walking around Home Depot. Some guy to sports bar watching college football with buddies and enjoying some wings. None of these zombie killers looked cult crazy. Makes me wonder what my neighbors believe right now. I was finalizing these notes at a Starbucks here in Coralane and found myself looking at other people drinking coffee and having conversations,

working on the laptops and thinking, do they believe the end times are almost upon us? Are they putting together a plan to kill some zombie demons? Something similar? Like, what crazy shit are they looking up on their laptops? Not because they're doing research for crazy shit, but because they actually believe it While Lori was temporarily declared mentally unfit to stand trial She always knew how to turn on the normal when it helped her right when she needed to before she got caught

Part of the fun of what she and Chad were doing seemed to be appearing normal Tricky in the rest of us talking to people at coffee shops bantering somebody on the street, thinking the whole time that they were better than us. Practically, God's on a special divine mission. How narcissistic. Why can't more of us just be cool, doing the best we can with the life we have right here on earth. Just try and be a good person. Try and help take care of your family. Spend as much quality time as you can with your kids if you have them. Help prepare them for the world, how to get decent jobs, build decent relationships, not worry about the end times, call your grandma more often, write heartfelt cards to people you care about, volunteer at a shelter, treat people who are really going through it with some dignity.

Smile and say hi to a stranger who looks like they're having a tough day, tip your waiter or waitress, a little extra if you have it. Get off the couch, throw the ball for the dog set Accomplishable goals feel good about attaining them have bigger dreams if you want and feel good about just chasing them Even if you never reach them there is all kinds of good shit You can focus on right here right now in this room. No portals needed no need to concern yourself with who's a fucking zombie Who's a light worker? Right worry about who your kids are spending time with instead. Worry about your parents and grandparents getting scammed. Worry about, you know, how funded or not your retirement plan is.

Or whether or not you're able to get that promotion that you want to work. There's plenty of real shit to worry about. Right here without having to make things apocalyptic. Pray if you need to. To help yourself, you know, get yourself through the day. Read scripture. If it helps you feel better about the world and what may wait for you when your loved ones beyond it. But

please don't focus so hard on needing to be a big deal in heaven. They end up being a real piece of shit down here on earth with the rest of us. And don't fucking kill your kids or help anyone else kill theirs. Can you at least do that? Let's head to today's takeaways. Time, suck. Top's takeaways. Number one, September of 2019, Laurie Valow sure seems to have talked her brother and possible lover, Alice Cox, and to murder in her children, Tyler Ryan and JJ Valow. Cox's phone pinged at the daybell residents in the backyard where the bodies would later

be found, leading prosecutors to believe that he, if he didn't kill them, at least buried them. Number two, for months, neither Lori Vallow nor Chad Debel would tell anyone where the children were. Lori's spun elaborate lies about where JJ was and eventually fled to Hawaii with Chad, where they got married and lived it up and definitely wet-humped until authorities caught onto them and extradited them back to Idaho. Number three, Chad Debel, Lori Vallow created an immersive world in which they were reincarnated, biblical figures on a divine mission to cleanse the world of evil, even believing they could create portals and use fire and water powers to kill people who they thought were dark. They were dark. Number four, the group attempted to murder and did murder more than Tiley and JJ.

Charles Valow was murdered by Alex Cox, who claimed he'd done it in self-defense. Alex may have been planning to murder Zulema, whom he had just married. There was also a head out on Brandon Bordrow, the estranged husband of Lori's niece, and of course, the murder of Tammy Debel. Was all of this done because of a belief in a divine plan, or was it mostly done to collect on insurance money, and go on a selfish fuck fest in Hawaii? Number five, new info. Remember those lunatics on a vow that forum where Chad wrote about his visions and collected

followers and prospective authors for his publishing company? Christopher Parrot, the administrator and creator of a vow, would make an apology on the day the bodies were discovered. He wrote, It's pretty obvious now that I was lied to to and then my trust and faith were horribly abused. It would appear I was dead nuts wrong and unless Chad wins a lotto and the DNA analysis comes back showing the bodies are not in fact those of the two mission children, he and Laurie will be spending a very long time in prison. Below the post he pasted a picture of a black crow sitting on a white

plate with a knife and fork on either side and beneath it he wrote I need to go find a good recipe for crow because I'm going to be eating quite a bit of it for a while now But eating that crow hasn't stopped him from continuing to pedal more and more apocalyptic bullshit ever since A vowel lives on pedaling more dangerous misinformation bound to get more people hurt and more people probably killed. Laurie Valow Idaho's Doomsday murdering cult mom has been sucked. Thank you to the Queen of Bad Magic and the rest of the team including Tyler C the suck ranger.

Record in this show and Sophie Evans providing the initial research as we can actually know Logan Keith, the art warlock recorded this show. Some reason I thought Tyler was gonna do it when I put the notes out and I was rock. Thanks to the spacers on Patreon for supporting this show. Thanks for the all-seeing eyes, moderating the cult of the curious private Facebook page, the mod squad,

making sure the time suck discord channel stays fun. It was great seeing all of you in Lexington recently, by the way. Such a fun the time suck discord channel stays fun. It was great seeing all of you in Lexington recently, by the way. Such a fun show and you're such a fun crew. And thank you for all the gifts, the unnecessary gifts you gave me. Thanks to everyone over on the time sucks subreddit and bad magic subreddit. And now let's head on over to this week's lighter time sucker updates. I'm dead. Get your time, sucker, I'm dead. Start off with some silliness.

With marvelous meat sack Morgan root, right now with the subject line of thanks for getting me out of a Department of Transportation inspection. And then she writes, Lady Trucker Meat sack, check it in from the unofficial A-hole air banjo capital over the world, Arkansas. Dear he who sucketh on high. Congratulations, you finally got me. I thought it was good enough to not get comments a lot after five years listening to the

podcast to let my guard down thinking, Psh, that'll never happen to me. Boy, how do I was wrong? So this is what happened. I was listening to the most recent suck last Tuesday, November 28th, driving across I30, coming into Texas. I was interrupted by a friend of mine, calling to ask in a few things when I happened to look ahead and saw, for the first time in my 10 year career, the inspection station coming into Texas from Arkansas opened. So I did as any driver would do and pulled in. That's where a state trooper flagged

me into the inspection bay. I told my friend, shit, I'm getting expected, I'll call you back when I get out of here. As soon as I hit the hang up button on my headset and open the door to greet the trooper, my radio kicks in, my radio kicks back on at full blast with you yelling, quote, yes, Aryan daddy, rain your superior, non-ju-com upon me, impregnate my face. At this point, I am punching the radio,

trying to get it to shut up. And as soon as I did, I turned around to nervously smile at the Texas State Trooper and apologize for the radio before I could say anything. He was beat red and his eyes were huge, but he couldn't look me in the eye. And he said, well, how about you just go on and get out of here, ma'am, and have a wonderful day. When I say I was mortified, it would be an understatement, but I got to laughing about it. And I got out of an inspection. So I guess you could say when's the win.

Anywho, thank you so much for all the years of entertainment and keep me from complete boredom while being here on the road and always cheering me up with your comedy anytime I go through a rough time in my life. Can't wait to see you again the next time you come to St. Louis or little rock. Sincerely your humble meat sack Morgan. Morgan what a weird win win. Very embarrassing sure but saved you an inspection I can only imagine what that officer has said about that interaction to others you have for sure been talked about glad I can keep you company hope I can continue to do so good luck in your next inspection and next some very similar embarrassment coming in from shame sack

Ian Ferguson Ian writes him with the subject line of Cummins law and then adds, well, Dan, I absolutely hate you right now because I just got Cummins law. This is the first time when I've prided myself on not getting Cummins law, but it happened. So I had stopped for five minutes tops in an IGA parking lot. So I could order a subway sandwich. And the exact moment you started saying how Henry Ford and Adolf Hitler were going to be coming on each other's faces to make the most powerful demon baby. I love this was the same moment as the previous message. A really old lady was trying to get into her

car next to me and looked horrified. Then I hear, wow, wouldn't it be funny for someone to be commons law by this? You cursed me, dude. Three out of five stars wouldn't change a thing. Ian Ferguson. Oh my gosh so much overheard Arian and Jewish Comtoc out there in the wild this week. I love it. Not so sure she told anyone about that interaction. Probably not in great, you know, detail. But funny if she did. Like funny if she repeated all of that for Baden, for Baden, my kind of cannot fucking talk to her nursing home friends right before they broke out into an orgy Somebody old used bikes getting ridden somebody cotton tops kissing suck and lick and thrusting pegging ballbusting you get it

And now your comments law message may have just fucked over some others. I can help One more from Nathan Troutman I had some good serious ones this week. I'll try to get more of those next week. Well, I don't have a story that's quite so beefy Nate Nate the great sack wrote in with the subject line of liquid. You did to my daughter Spoiler alert. I got a pregnant Uh, JK, but I did talk to her dad's girlfriend about Dix Nate writes dear suck master I just saw you in Lexington at the 630 show on Saturday the second

It was my fourth time seeing you and it was amazing as always. I'll thank you. My girlfriend Annie was the one you were talking about. Many horse dicks with. Yeah, I didn't let a crowd work in Lexington where she said it was about the size of a forearm. She hasn't laughed so hard in a long time and it really made her night to interact with you like that. That's not why I'm writing though. I wanted to tell you about my daughter, Haley. She's 16 and in the criminal justice class at school and had to do a presentation on True Crime. She chose to do it on David Parker Ray. Eee. And used your podcast for a lot of the research.

She actually told me if I got a chance to talk to you, I had to show to tell you that and thank you. So I'm emailing you instead. What's funny is her friend in the class chose Ariel Castro and she was having a hard time finding material for her presentation. Just what happened at the Cleveland Kidnapping's episode came out that week. So Haley told her friend about it and she used the a hard time finding material for her presentation. Just so happened that the Cleveland Kidnapping's episode came out that week.

So Haley told her friend about it and she used the podcast as well. Even said she would start listing to it regularly. Just thought you would enjoy hearing that and thanks for all you do. You're welcome for the link to the email. Three out of five stars and all that. Thanks. I love you. Nathan Troutman.

Nate, I love it. So glad you and your horse love and girlfriend had a good time with the show in Lexington. And I hope you got a good grade. Hayley. And thanks for spreading the suck. If anyone needs show notes, you know, we have heavily footnoted scripts for all these episodes, you know, we are discontinuing the app, you know, so we won't have them available there, but you can email us at both janglesatimesuckpodcast.com. If you need notes for class or whatever, they're very detailed, lots of, you know, sources listed. The research has already been done. So you might as well use it.

Hail Nimrod, everybody. Thanks, time suckers. I need a net. We all did. Thanks for listening to another Bad Magic Productions podcast. I swear I'm not trying to make these episodes longer. I'm actually trying to condense them a bit. I just have the best parts. But you know, what do you do? Scared of death, time suck each week. Please don't kill your husband or wife or kids in order to

keep demons zombies from stopping you on your quest to help God during the end times this week, meat sex. Just maybe eat a weed gummy and go to bed. Try and get a good diet's rest. Maybe eat a little less sugar or something. Make sure you're working out, you need to get your mind right. And keep on sucking. A magic production. Another thing this episode really got me thinking about, how many grown brothers and sisters are out there dry-hump in each other? We're doing more than that.

Hopefully not many. It's not cool if you didn't know that. Don't let all the weird sibling porn on the web that's become very popular for you. You're actually not supposed to fuck your sister for a variety of reasons. And even though dry hopping, it's not quite fucking, it is still pretty gross when it's your sister. If it doesn't bother you morally, let me share a practical reason not to focus on your siblings for your sexual needs. There's not that many of them compared to non-sublients in the world, right? If you're trying to keep it in the family, ah, it just makes dating so much harder. You know, you know, you got four, five, six, you know, options, probably max.

You know, once you get shot down by them, well, then, then you're out. You know, you're literally completely out of people now, but if you, if you try to fuck non-siblings, you got billions of potential options. So you know, if you, if you can't stop yourself from trying to rub one out on Sissy for other reasons, just focus on the math of it all. I hope that helps. The more you know, I picture a little rainbow, star shooting right now.