Timesuck with Dan Cummins - 439 - Bill Cosby.... America's Dad?

Episode Date: January 27, 2025

Comedian, actor, author, and producer Bill Cosby... affectionately nicknamed as "America's Dad" for his portrayal of Dr. Cliff Huxtable on the hit, iconic sitcom, The Cosby Show, has now been accused ...by over sixty women of rape, drug-facilitated sexual assault, sexual battery, child sexual abuse, and/or sexual harassment. The assaults allegedly began in the mid-1960s, but never got much publicity until 2014. Why? Merch and more: www.badmagicproductions.com Timesuck Discord! https://discord.gg/tqzH89vWant to join the Cult of the Curious PrivateFacebook Group? Go directly to Facebook and search for "Cult of the Curious" to locate whatever happens to be our most current page :)For all merch-related questions/problems: store@badmagicproductions.com (copy and paste)Please rate and subscribe on Apple Podcasts and elsewhere and follow the suck on social media!! @timesuckpodcast on IG and http://www.facebook.com/timesuckpodcastWanna become a Space Lizard? Click here: https://www.patreon.com/timesuckpodcast.Sign up through Patreon, and for $5 a month, you get access to the entire Secret Suck catalog (295 episodes) PLUS the entire catalog of Timesuck, AD FREE. You'll also get 20% off of all regular Timesuck merch PLUS access to exclusive Space Lizard merch.

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Talking about Bill Cosby today. Another inspirational episode. What an incredible man. One of the greatest comics of all time. A rags to riches story of a guy who came from nothing, became America's most successful comic and sitcom star. America's dad! Dr. Huxtable! Oh, Cliff! A guy who used his success to do so, so much for young women trying to break into showbiz. If you were a young, attractive, poor, desperate young woman who wanted to make it in Hollywood, Dr. Hoxtable would find time to help you. He'd invite you into his hotel room or to one of his mansions. He'd give you some acting tips, advice, and always a nice strong drink to help you relax. And then as you passed out, he'd be kind enough to undress you, tuck you into a cozy bed.
Starting point is 00:00:45 And then maybe, maybe he'd also, out of the goodness of his heart, ever the giver, introduce little Bill to you, his trusted sidekick, who would massage the inside of your vagina if you were lucky and then send you on your way with a cool refreshing jelly puddin' pop. Oh, what a guy! Hey, hey, hey! P! Porton pops! No. No, he was a monster. No, and that's not the angle we are taking today. Bill Cosby's a real piece of shit, if you didn't know. He was once known as America's dad.
Starting point is 00:01:14 Now he's arguably known to most as one of the most prolific rapists in American history. A man who is currently accused of sexually assaulting over 60 women. Assaults that began just about as soon as he got a little bit of money and fame. Before these allegations went viral online and led to more and more accusers coming forward and waging more and more lawsuits, Cosby was loved by millions of adults and children across the US and around the world. With his humor and charm, Cosby built an award-winning career for himself in the early 60s as one of America's most well-known, respected, and successful stand-up comics. Built a reputation as a great guy, a gentle, loving family man. He made TV history as an actor by winning multiple Emmy awards as a black man co-starring
Starting point is 00:01:57 with the white man on the TV show I Spy. He built on that success with new projects and films in the 70s. Then in 1984, his most successful project, one of the most successful TV shows of all time, The Cosby Show, aired to huge ratings and widespread critical acclaim. The Cosby Show was the number one show on television in all of America for an incredible five straight years. No comic was more famous and more beloved in the 1980s than Bill Cosby. Cosby was no longer in his prime and at the peak of his fame when the first allegations of sexual assaults surfaced publicly in 2005. But he was still a household name with a solid reputation
Starting point is 00:02:36 as being a force for good. He still held immense cultural influence and had piles and piles of money. His fortune was estimated at its peak to be worth around $400 million. Following that 2005 accusation, several additional women accused him of sexual misconduct. But after he settled his lawsuit with the original accuser, the scandal went away for a while. But then it would come back with a vengeance. Allegations resurfaced in 2014 when another stand-up comic, The Great Hannibal Burrse, made a joke that, after him telling it on the road to no real reaction for about six months, finally was taken seriously and went viral online, leading to other victims coming
Starting point is 00:03:16 forward, which eventually led to Cosby's incarceration. I got a big story for you this week. Today we will cover Cosby's epic rise as he built his brand on being one of the good guys. A clean comic, wholesome humor, a loving family man, and a mentor to many, including so many young women. And then we'll dive into his shocking fall from grace. All the allegations against him sow, sow, sow many women telling variations of the same disturbing story, his two criminal trials, and where he is now on this biographical comedic but ultimately true crime edition of Time Suck. This is Michael McDonald and you're listening to Time Suck.
Starting point is 00:04:13 Well, happy Monday and welcome or welcome back to the Cult of the Curious. I'm Dan Kellmans, the master sucker, sometime a conspiracy supporter, frequent conspiracy mocker, continual forgetter of holidays. My God, totally forgot it was MLK day last Monday and now it feels a little weird to mention that considering you know this week's subject a president of the Robert Stack version of Unsolved Mysteries fan club and you are listening to Time Suck hail Nimrod hail is Athena praise be to good boy Bojangles in glory be to triple M so much story today so let's not fuck about you beautiful bastards.
Starting point is 00:04:54 I don't think any real setup or the establishing of any context is needed before diving into today's timeline. The first section of the timeline will cover Bill Cosby's early life and career, his rise to fame, the famous Cosby show, and his early scandals. Then in the second part of the timeline, we'll get to know the real Bill Cosby as I cover the many, many, many allegations, trials, appeals, and lawsuits he has been put through. That doesn't sound right because, you know, he did this shit himself. He has participated in it. We'll also hear directly from many of his accusers. Bill Cosby, America's wolf in a dad costume.
Starting point is 00:05:34 Let's meet him. Shrap on those boots, soldier. We're marching down a time-uck Timeline. William Henry Cosby Jr. Born July 12, 19... He was born July 12, 1937 in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. Home of the Eagles and their running back Saquon Barkley this year, who's been playing out of his fucking mind. So much fun to watch
Starting point is 00:06:07 my cat. Bill was the oldest of four boys born to parents Anna and William Cosby Sr. Bill was by all accounts a wonderful older brother, playful, super funny. His favorite game growing up apparently was something that he called sleep wrestling. Very wholesome. He would wrestle all three of his younger siblings at the same time. But to make the match fair since he was outnumbered they would have to drink Bubba Billy's sleepy time tea to start the match. The game was won when either his three younger brothers were able to pin their older brother for a three second count or when Bill pinned all of them after they you know they after they, you know, they lost consciousness.
Starting point is 00:06:45 And if the younger brothers lost, oh shit, getting pinned, that was just the beginning. To celebrate his victory, Bill would take off their clothes and, uh, and he'd rape them, and then put their clothes back on. And then they would learn that sometimes when you wrestle above a bill, you get a sore butthole. Kidding. Only kidding because he had brothers, not sisters. Had he had younger sisters, well, I'd probably say maybe kidding. We know a lot more about Bill Cosby's ancestry than we do about most of the subjects we've explored here. So let me share some of that history. In his 2014 book, Bill Cosby, god damn that guy makes a strong-ass drink. I mean Cosby, his life and times.
Starting point is 00:07:20 Biographer Mark Whitaker traced Bill's history back to the farmer named John Cosby in Nelson County Virginia who quote fit a more typical profile of white slave owners at the time two-thirds of whom owned ten indentured servants or fewer. John Cosby enslaved four people a woman named Maria two girls named Barbara and Anarchy yes Anarchy I had to double check the source on that name and a boy named Sam after After his death, John Cosby's six heirs fought over his estate. In 1833, Maria, Barbara, Anarchy, and Sam were all sold at an auction and the two girls were enslaved by two local farmers. Maria and Sam were enslaved by Richard Cosby, one of John's sons. Dick Cosby then disappeared from Virginia records.
Starting point is 00:08:03 By the time Maria died, she and Sam were enslaved by a man related to one of John's daughters through marriage. Sam went on to have three children, Catherine, Louisa, and Zachariah. Zachariah born January 17th, 1841, per Nelson County records. Zach Cosby married Louisa Johnson, remained in Nelson County as a sharecropper. In 1866, they had a daughter named Mary, followed by 17 more children, 18 kids, so thankful to live following the invention of reliable birth control. Their 13th child, Samuel Russell Cosby, born December 1881, named after his grandfather. Samuel Cosby married Gertrude Thornhill, not enough Gertrudes around anymore, and went on to become a farmer. Samuel turned 30 at the start of the Great Migration when thousands of black
Starting point is 00:08:49 Americans moved out of the south to big cities in the north and Midwest for better lives and job opportunities. Samuel and Gertrude moved to Philadelphia with their infant son William Henry Cosby born in 1913. Around 130,000 African-Americans arrived in Philly throughout the 1910s, 1920s. Huge influx of people looking for jobs. And there were a lot of jobs, but those seeking them had to fight past an incredible amount of discrimination in the northern city to get them. Whites working in local industries such as textiles, garment making, publishing, and
Starting point is 00:09:20 shipbuilding were generally, as products of their time, wildly racist and no part of them wanted to work with black people. And there were also a lot of black people in Philly who did not want to work with more black people. At the time, the city's existing population of middle-class African Americans, many of whom's families had been in the Philly area for generations, were called old Philadelphians, and they did not appreciate the influx of newcomers from the Great Migration. So Samuel and Gertrude didn't exactly get a warm welcome in the so-called City of Brotherly Love. The Cosby's settled in the Germantown neighborhood in North Philly, which was founded by German Quaker abolitionists way back in the late 17th century. Old section of town. Germantown was a racially mixed neighborhood at the time.
Starting point is 00:10:03 Around this time many white families started to leave German town and other Philly neighborhoods for the suburbs and eventually blacks outnumbered whites in German town by more than four to one. Despite the racism he and his wife encountered, Samuel Crosby found the work he moved to Philly for. Got a solid manufacturing job at the Elwood-Ivans Steel Tube Company in nearby Cheltenham Township. There we go. Cheltenham Township. And he held that job for around 30 years.
Starting point is 00:10:30 Samuel also walked his two-mile route to work every day that he had to go to work for the next three decades. Because he refused to sit in the back of a bus or in the back of a trolley. Good for him, having that fucking pride. In private, he told his kids and later his grandkids racism is a waste of time. Samuel was a good dude. Described as being physically strong but gentle, deeply spiritual and religious. The Bible was the only book he kept in his house. He liked to read it after work and he would spend most of his weekends in church.
Starting point is 00:11:03 Samuel and Gertrude would go on to have six kids together and their eldest son William was a rebellious teenager and sent to live with relatives in Virginia but then he'd be back in the city by his early 20s and he would start courting Anna Pearl Height who lived nearby. Anna's described as spirited and bright and was a year older than William. The two got married on Labor Day, 1936. And 10 months after that, Bill Jr., their first child, was born. The newlyweds lived on Beechwood Street in Germantown, close to both of their parents. According to author Mark Whitaker,
Starting point is 00:11:34 one of Bill's first childhood friends was his neighbor, Johnny Baines. Oh, Johnny Baines! Bill and Johnny were inseparable, caused plenty of mischief in the neighborhood. By Whitaker's own estimates, the two of them would end up raping over 75% of their classmates. Sorry, Whittaker didn't say that. So hard. Not to constantly say shit like that. Bill's younger brother James was born just before his second birthday, and James was a sick baby which
Starting point is 00:11:58 put additional financial pressure on Bill Sr. And he did not always handle that pressure well. He started drinking heavily, spent a lot of his evenings at the tavern instead of home and when he finally did come home sometimes he would physically assault his wife. Some of Bill Jr's earliest memories centered around his parents arguing and fighting about his dad's drinking and spending. Bill would later recall as quoted by Whitaker, I remember my father beating my mother up three times. I was too small to do anything about it. Bill would say he would never forget these assaults. And he decided when he grew up and was big and strong, he would also assault women. But way, way more than his dad ever did. And he would make sure
Starting point is 00:12:35 his assaults were much more disturbing. It was that competitive spirit, that fire inside of him, that would serve him well on his later quest for fame and fortune. Sorry, I did it again. It's too easy with this son of a bitch. Sometimes Bill's Anna would race her husband, Bill's wife Anna, excuse me, young Bill's mother, would race her husband to the tavern on Fridays, which was Bill Senior's payday to collect his wages before he could spend them. As time went on the family situation worsened. Bill worked less and less and he drank more and more. By the time Bill Jr. was five his parents could no longer afford to live in their house on Beechwood Street and they moved five miles away to a smaller, much shittier home on Stewart
Starting point is 00:13:11 Street. They lived in a, quote, dilapidated hovel on a row of equally distressed buildings. Their home had no hot water and for years Bill Jr. only had two shirts and two pairs of pants to his name. Bill remembered being saddened by the loss of his friend Johnny when they moved and his parents' fights, but he still enjoyed visiting his grandparents, especially his grandma Martha Height. He liked to listen to his grandpa Samuel's Bible story. Samuel was a talented storyteller, giving his characters different voices, emphasizing moral lessons. And then Bill Sr., his dad, would turn things around a bit and he'd spend the next
Starting point is 00:13:44 decade in the Navy. He would serve three tours of duty. He visited home briefly between tours and he and Anna had two more sons during this period. Dude's sperm count was high. Anna cleaned houses to support her kids while Bill Sr. was abroad. She and the kids moved into the Richard Allen Homes, a low-income housing project completed in 1941. Anna had added her family to the waiting list after being drawn to the apartments because they were clean and new. And she liked the fact that over a thousand families
Starting point is 00:14:12 would live there, and they could look out for each other's children. Anna and the kids moved into apartment A at 919 Parish Place, a small two-bedroom apartment where Bill would spend much of his childhood. In 1946, Bill's brother James developed strep throat and rheumatic fever, an inflammatory disease that can develop when strep throat is not treated properly and he died within weeks. Died a month before Bill's ninth birthday. It's
Starting point is 00:14:37 fucking crazy. I literally forgot that strep throat used to kill people. My daughter Monroe had strep throat just a few weeks ago. I was never worried about her dying. I was worried about her giving it to me because she loves to take a few bites of whatever I'm eating and she likes to drink Some of whatever I'm drinking because she is a gremlin By the time Bill was in junior high He was working several odd jobs to help his mom with expenses and to earn some spending money for stuff like Roofies and chloroform, you know masks and rope. I'm not sure what he spent his money on But I know he delivered papers in the morning,
Starting point is 00:15:06 shined shoes and bad groceries after school. And on the weekends, he helped a local milkman and the bread man. Anna Crosby had always emphasized the value of education to her boys, but Bill wasn't all that interested in school. He was described as a bright but unmotivated student and soon as not surprisingly, a class clown. Early on he
Starting point is 00:15:26 learned that humor was a way to make friends and get what he wanted and he became a skilled liar. One teacher even said William should become either a lawyer or an actor because he lies so well. An assessment build a talented liar that is just a bit cringy in retrospect. One teacher encouraged Bill to perform in school plays. He took an aptitude test in fifth grade, which declared the brightest person in his school. At first he was pleased, but soon he was being called a nerd
Starting point is 00:15:52 and he wanted to maintain that cool kid image he wanted. Bill was transferred to an advanced class to study world geography and music. He said he spent most of the first lesson watching his friends in the non-advanced class playing outside or going on field trips. And he's like, what am I doing here? Bill's teacher, Sue Gruner, grew tired of his class clown antics, asked him if he'd
Starting point is 00:16:10 like to perform for the whole class. Bill wasn't sure what to do, but he did love to make his classmates laugh, so he did an impersonation of some of the old ladies in his neighborhood, and apparently it killed. The teacher saw that he was not intimidated by a crowd, so then she chose him to give a public speaking demonstration. And he went into a comedic tirade for his next performance about sharing a bed with his brother. That killed. Hearing his classmates' laughter thrilled him.
Starting point is 00:16:36 At home during this time, Bill enjoyed listening to the radio, especially listening to famous comedians of the day like Jerry Lewis. Interestingly, just a little over two years ago, an investigation by a reporter for Vanity Fair led to uncovering a bunch of pretty disturbing sexual assault allegations from decades ago against Lewis, who died in 2017 at the age of 91. To quote a summary of the investigation printed in The Guardian in February of 2022, former co-stars of the late actor and comedian Jerry Lewis have accused him of sexual assault and sexual harassment. The women all met Lewis when he was at the height of
Starting point is 00:17:11 his Hollywood career. Emmy-winning Alan versus Pharaoh filmmakers Amy Ziering and Kirby Dick have been investigating Hollywood's long history of abuse and they found that some of the most explosive accusations involved Lewis. Among those interviewed were Hope Holliday who starred alongside Lewis in The Ladies Man, Jill St. John who starred opposite Lewis in Who's Minding the Store, Anna Maria Alberghetti who worked with him on Cinderfella, Karen Sharp who played Lewis's love interest in The Disorderly Orderly, Oscar nominated writer Renee Taylor and singer Lainey Kazan. Sharp now 87 alleged that after a costume fitting in Lewis's office in 1964, Lewis physically assaulted her.
Starting point is 00:17:51 She said he grabbed me, he began to fondle me, he unzipped his pants. Quite frankly, I was dumbstruck. I put my hand up and said, wait a minute. I don't know if this is a requirement for your leading ladies, but this is something I don't do. And then I could see he was furious. I got the feeling that that never really happened to him. Sharp alleged that after she rebuffed Lewis's disgusting advance, he refused to rehearse with her, forbade the entire production, barred
Starting point is 00:18:16 the director and assistant director from speaking to her. If anyone speaks to you will be fined, a crew member allegedly told her. And if true, obviously how fucking gross and pathetic. Holiday91 said she had known Lewis since she was 13 years old but was in her early 30s when he allegedly invited her into his dressing room, locked her in with him and began to quote talk dirty and masturbate. He said you've got a great figure, you've got nice boobs, you've got lovely legs, that's what I like to see, Holiday said. I didn't know what to do, so I just sat there. I wanted to leave so badly. I wanted to get out of there, and I couldn't. She said the incident left her depressed. I didn't want to go on dates.
Starting point is 00:18:50 It wasn't good. Holiday said her friends urged her to report Lewis to the Screen Actors Guild, but she was too afraid to do so. She said he was very big at Paramount. I was under contract to him and to Paramount, and I didn't want to shake the boat. I figured I would just keep my mouth shut Numerous other disturbing allegations mirrored these the powerful preying on the powerless How sad that that was allegedly when it came to powerful male actors directors producers preying on female actresses? Incredibly common in Hollywood for around a century I bet if Bill would have found out about these allegations concerning Jerry Lewis, I would have fucking loved him that much more.
Starting point is 00:19:28 And now back to young Billy. Oh, back to junior. Bill was interested in sports, participated in track and football in school, also struggled once he got to high school. He didn't apply himself and he failed the 10th grade twice. Ultimately Bill decided to drop out of high school in 1955 his junior year. I mean most of his friends were seniors already graduating. By 1956 Bill now 18 is working full-time at a shoe repair store and he had a side gig fixing mufflers at an auto body shop. He then enrolled in night school to get his high school degree equivalent to please his mom but that didn't last long. One day Bill was hanging out with a friend in Germantown, decided to drink a beer. He later said he
Starting point is 00:20:08 was unnerved by the loss of control he felt after just a few sips of alcohol and decided he would not drink again. Said he didn't want to become like his father or he was scared of losing control because he knew he was a fucking demon and didn't want to you know people to see the real Bill Cosby. Because he will become something so much worse than his dad. And yes, somebody who made other people drink shit that they didn't want to drink. During this time in his life, Bill struggled to find his purpose. He confided in his grandfather Samuel who told him to not let anyone see his intermost
Starting point is 00:20:41 emotions warning, quote, if you put yourself in a compromised position you're gonna have to learn to act not embarrassed okay not sure how that advice was important enough to end up in his biography my grandpa would have given that advice to me I probably shaking my head acting like I understood maybe even said oh yeah okay thanks and then the second I ran into some friends after that I would've been like check out this crazy shit my grandpa told me. What the fuck does that even mean? Sadly, Bill would learn how to hide his innermost self too well. One day while working in the shoe repair store Bill realized all his friends had either gone to college or the military and he felt Like he was gonna get stuck in Germantown for the rest of his life if he didn't do something quick
Starting point is 00:21:23 So shortly before his 19th birthday without telling anyone in his family, Bill decided to enlist in the Navy. For the next four years, Bill fucked so many sleepy semen butts on ship after ship. He acted like it wasn't a big deal. That was just a silly prank. His fellow semen would joke about, you know, how they always ended up falling asleep, you know, around Bill and waking up with a sore butthole. They would call it getting torpedoed by Junior. No. No, he worked as a medical aide on the ships, hospitals, and other military facilities. He joined the Navy's track team, excelled in the high jump, apparently.
Starting point is 00:21:58 While in the Navy, Bill started to regret his decision to drop out of high school and he would earn his GED through correspondence courses. In 1961, Bill was awarded a track and field scholarship from Temple University in Philadelphia. He was faster than most of his classmates. Of course he was. He was fucking 24 years old as a freshman. I'm not impressed. Bill studied physical education, ran track, played on the school's football team, where again being a you know good six years older than his peers had to have helped him quite a bit. Bill got a job as a bartender at a coffee house while he
Starting point is 00:22:29 went to college. Is that where he learned to spike unsuspecting women's drinks? Maybe. He would entertain the customers with his jokes which quickly led to him landing the spot filling in for the house comedian at a nearby club and that went well and led to him getting a gig as a warm-up act for his cousin's radio show in front of a live studio audience and that went really well. Bill was inspired by comedians like Dick Gregory, a black comic who discussed racial issues in his routines. Gregory, years later, many years later, before he passed away in 2017 at the age of 84, would speak about the Cosby scandal several times actually and he consistently
Starting point is 00:23:05 refused to believe Cosby's accusers. Instead, he felt that Cosby was the victim, that his accusers were being paid to say what they said by shadowy power players who did not want to see a black man buy a major media company. Even though Cosby was not trying to buy a major media company. When asked what major media company Cosby was trying to buy, Gregory would never name anything because this is just a nonsense conspiracy. Dick Gregory was an incredible comic, an amazing civil rights activist for decades, for half a
Starting point is 00:23:36 century. He also seemed to maybe lose his mind a bit, final decade or so of his life. Very early in his career, Bill discussed race in his act but he later decided to drop it from his performances and focused on stories with more universal non-polarizing themes. He began to craft that harmless lovable image that really made you feel like you could trust him. Halfway through his college career Bill dropped out of college decided to pursue comedy full-time because it was going real well. He was doing gigs in places like Greenwich Village in New York City. Quickly after that, starting a tour and build his audience. 1963, just two short years after starting college at Temple University.
Starting point is 00:24:14 So less than two years, roughly about two years after starting standup, Bill already was making his first appearance on Johnny Carson's Tonight Show, which introduced him to a huge national audience. He was only 26 years old. Once he started focusing on stand-up, oh man, he rose to the ranks so fast. That show with Carson as the host would peak at 17 million viewers. Not sure how many watch Cosby, but you know, I'm guessing at least several million. Tonight Show launched comics to start on back then. And it would be the first of dozens of appearances, and it would almost immediately lead to a record deal with Warner Brothers. Later
Starting point is 00:24:47 that same year in November he released his debut comedy album titled Bill Cosby the Dirtiest Dick in Philly. No it was called uh it's called Bill Cosby Master Hypnotist. You're getting very sleepy. No it was actually called Bill Cosby is a Very Funny Fellow right? The very next year Bill would win a Grammy for best comedy performance for his second album, his 1964 album I started out as a child. Motherfucker. I listened to that album so many times when I started out in stand-up, when I was consuming all sorts of great records. It's a great album. I couldn't listen to it now, but it's a great album. He's a piece of
Starting point is 00:25:22 shit, but wildly wildly talented incredible storyteller throughout the 1960s bill would release numerous hit albums just rapidly cranking them out one after another and he would win five more Grammys the next was for another album i also listened to a ton why is there air i had the vinyl version of that album framed before i literally threw that shit in the trash after i found out who he really was. He won the Grammy again the next year in 1967 for wonderfulness. I also had that one framed, the vinyl version. 1967's Revenge hit number one on the R&B chart. He also released an album music in 1967, Silver Throat, Bill Cosby Sings. His song Little Old Man reached number four on the US Hot 100 chart. It was killing it. Even a covered a Ray Charles. I got a woman horribly, but he did sing it.
Starting point is 00:26:09 Why don't you check this out? I got a woman way over town. She's good to me. How weird is it hearing Bill Cosby singing this song? I said, I got a woman way over town. She's good to me yes also creepy creepy to hear Bill singing about getting any woman here's how that song is supposed to sound let's palette cleanse with Ray Charles singing that song how it's meant to be sung. Man, he had a voice.
Starting point is 00:27:07 We've got to make it that one little part right here. So good. Man, I love that stripped down simple sound. Ah, Bill later won two more Grammys for his recordings for for kids as part of his electric company TV series between 1971 and 1973. Totally so random, but uh did you know a young Morgan Freeman starred alongside Cosby on that show? I did not. Here's a clip of Morgan, 34 years old, from 1971 playing the DJ. Let's just listen to him just for a second. Young Morgan Freeman.
Starting point is 00:27:52 Okay, brothers and sisters and missus and missus, here's your daddy-o with the sounds to go. No shucking, no jiving, I'm telling you, your music's arriving. Ha ha, what I say. It's Mel Mounds here with our special request game called The Same As Your Name. And I would I say it's Mel Mounds here with our special request game called the same as your name So weird seeing him young in my mind Morgan Freeman was never born
Starting point is 00:28:12 He just appeared on earth, you know Just fully formed about the age of 50 and then just stayed being 50 for the next 30 or 40 years Dude, it's actually the same age as Bill Cosby. He's aged much better. They were only born five weeks apart. Getting ahead of myself though in the timeline. Backing up to 1963, rising comedy star 26-year-old Bill meets his future wife Camille Olivia Hanks. Born March 20th, 1944. More random trivia. Camille Hanks, distantly related to Tom Hanks, the actor. Both of them share Abraham Lincoln as a common ancestor. Camille was born in Washington DC, grew up in Norbeck, Maryland. Unlike Bill, she attended private Catholic schools. The Cosby show
Starting point is 00:28:54 character Claire Huxtable, Bill's wife on the show, will be based on Camille. Bill and Camille met on a blind date in a bowling alley in the spring of 1963. Bill was in Washington DC for a comedy gig at a little club called Shadows. It's actually a cool name for a club. Camille was a psychology student at the University of Maryland. Camille's parents thought she was too young to be with Bill, who was almost seven years older than her when she was only 19. But the young lovers could not be kept apart.
Starting point is 00:29:18 Well, at least, according to Bill, they could not be kept apart. Camille doesn't actually remember the first dozen or so years of their relationship. One moment she said she was drinking a rum and coke at a bowling alley with the guy she just met. And the next thing she knew she was waking up in her 30s married to a comedian with several kids. That's fucking crazy. Back to reality now. The two kept up a long-distance relationship when Bill returned to New York. Camille dropped out of college the next year to be with Bill and her parents. Reluctantly finally gave their blessing for the marriage, which appeared inevitable, and took place January 25, 1964.
Starting point is 00:29:51 They were right to be concerned. Both Camille and Bill would later go back to pursue higher education and would serve as important donors to various universities. For example, in 1988, the Cosbys would give Spelman College in Atlanta, a private, all-women's historically black college, $20 million. Largest gift ever given to an HBCU at that time. Yes, this serial abuser of women has also done a lot of great things. So much good, so much bad. 1965, Bill Cosby got his biggest break yet when he portrayed the character Alexander
Starting point is 00:30:25 Scott alongside Robert Culp in the series I Spy. TV show where two spies pose as a professional tennis player and coach. Bill would receive three consecutive Emmys for his work on the show. It's fucking killing it. Went straight from Grammys to Emmys while also getting more Grammys. His career was on fire in the 60s, and it would keep heating up for decades. Before sharing exactly how it heated up, it feels like a good spot for this week's first
Starting point is 00:30:51 two mid-show sponsor breaks. Okay, now let's find out how the early career of great man Bill Cosby, America's dad, kept heating up. According to PBS and other sources, I Spy was the first time America saw an interracial pairing on television in which both characters were cast as equals. Both lead actors decided they would not address the casting choice. Co-star Robert Culp said, Cosby came in and he said, listen, our television series is a statement by being a non-statement. I said done and we shook
Starting point is 00:31:23 hands on it and we never talked about it again. I love that. He and Camille and their kids who I will introduce in just a minute will move to LA after the show takes off and then several years later in 1971 the family will decide to move back to the East Coast. There are lots of seemingly credible rumors that Camille moved back to save the marriage after Bill's womanizing was rubbed in her face too many times out in Hollywood. Not totally sure why she stayed. Well, I mean he was fucking famous making lots of money that probably had a lot to do with it. Camille and the kids moved to Shelburne Falls, Massachusetts. Very quaint, beautiful little unincorporated town of less than 7,000 people out in the woods of Northwestern Massachusetts an hour north of Springfield.
Starting point is 00:32:02 It was like an awesome little place actually. And Bill would travel back and forth between his home there and Los Angeles. According to biographer Mark Whitaker, Camille felt that Hollywood culture facilitated Bill's quote selfish behavior. Being far from home will allow Bill now to more easily live his double life, which as we will soon see he had already started living since his rape allegations go back to the 60s. Very very credible allegations 1971 Temple University grants bill a bachelor's degree on the basis of life experience And then he starts graduate work at the University of Massachusetts Amherst where he will earn his master's of arts degree in 1972
Starting point is 00:32:38 Meanwhile on the west coast the wonderful student and father focuses on his career and the wonderful student and father focuses on his career and on being a sexual predator. At least six future sexual abuse allegations will stem from Cosby's time in Los Angeles during these years. Actually, you know what? I just added, I went off notes and said during these, actually I think a few of them were later years, so strike that part. Also in LA in the 1970s, Cosby will have an affair with Sean Upshaw Brown Shaw Brown a secretary Cosby later testified that he paid her a hundred grand to keep the affair a secret And then in 2005 Sean up Shaw Brown will speak to the National Enquirer and claimed Cosby Cosby drugged and raped her the last time they had sex Meanwhile start in the mid 60s Bill and Camille had five kids daughter Erica Renee Cosby born April 8th
Starting point is 00:33:24 1965 Currently Erica very talented painter adjunct art professor at NYU Camille had five kids. Daughter Erica Renee Cosby born April 8th 1965. Currently Erica very talented painter, adjunct art professor at NYU. She is very talented. I like a lot of her work and at least based on her Instagram post she seems super cool. The second daughter Erin Cosby born July 23rd 1966. Bill and Erin have had a troubled relationship which seems like it mostly stems from Erica's dad being a pretty shitty father in some ways. He allegedly leaked a story about her drug and alcohol abuse. A leak that would be on brand for him to do that to somebody. According to Mark Whitaker's 2014 Cosby biography, Erin developed a drug problem as a teenager and then during her
Starting point is 00:34:03 sophomore year of college it worsened. She told her parents she planned on dropping out. Bill and his wife then decided she needed to learn to grow up the hard way. In a 1989 interview with the LA Times, Bill described his relationship with Erin as being estranged adding quote, she can't come here. She's not a person you can trust. The balls of that ruthlessly, legendarily untrustworthy motherfucker to publicly state that people can't trust her. Uh, yeah. He said, quote, or I guess he added, yeah, sure, I rate people. A lot of people. People who trusted me. People a lot like, you know, my daughter, I guess. Young women her age, maybe a little younger. Bill then tossed out a hard wink unleashed out one of his patented fat Albert
Starting point is 00:34:47 Hey, hey, hey Then he continued with but what I don't do is use people Non-sexual I only use people sexually if you know what I mean and then bill gives another hard wink and unbuttoned his shirt To reveal a graphic T underneath with the words, Nothing gets you laid faster than Spanish fly. No, here's what he really said. This particular daughter appears to be the only one who is really very selfish. She's never held down a job, never kept an apartment for more than six months, she never finishes
Starting point is 00:35:17 anything, she uses her boyfriends, she wants to find her things, but can't stand anybody else's dirt, which is important. Why the fuck is he talking this kind of shit publicly about his own daughter? That's ridiculous. At age 23, Aaron would accuse famous fighter boxer Mike Tyson of attempted rape, and Mike Tyson would later go to prison for raping another woman. According to a Washington Post article, that came out in 1992, and this information about this also came out in several other media outlets. Aaron said that she and a friend met the boxer in another man at a Manhattan nightclub in November of 1989 and they all decided to leave the club together to find a place to talk. Aaron recounted that they piled
Starting point is 00:35:56 into Tyson's car headed out without a particular destination. When the car turned towards New Jersey, Aaron Cosby asked where they were going and Tyson, whose marriage to actress Robin Givens had already ended amid allegations of spousal abuse the year before, told Erin they were going to a party at his estate. On the way, Erin claimed Tyson kept returning to the same theme, Bill Cosby. She later told a live studio audience on the Donna Hugh show, He was very concerned about how my father felt about him. And I said, you know, everything is fine. My dad supports your fights. And he was very happy about
Starting point is 00:36:30 that. When Tyson also 23 at the time and Erin arrived at his home, she said she saw cars out front, assumed there was a crowd gathering for the party, but inside the house was virtually empty. The scenario, not unlike the scenes recounted decades later by many women who accused her father Bill of inviting them to parties at his home, only to arrive to find almost no one there. On this night in New Jersey, Erin says Tyson gave her a tour of the place. When they got to his trophy room, she told interviewers that the boxer locked the door, then he was all over her. She alleged pinning her to the floor, groping her while she screamed no until a member of the household staff heard her screams and knocked on the door, giving her an opportunity to flee.
Starting point is 00:37:08 Aaron told her parents right away, and what did America's dad do? Well, he didn't go to the police. He didn't fly into a rage at Tyson. He called his lawyers, who then called Tyson, and said that they would press charges unless Mike underwent a year's worth of therapy. And then Mike attended one therapy session. Partially. By his own account he left early. And Bill never did shit about this attempted rape. And Aaron, his daughter, felt incredibly let down by her dad, who didn't seem to think
Starting point is 00:37:36 that Tyson needed to really be punished for trying to rape her. What a guy! Oh, America's dad! The two became estranged over this. Aaron sought out therapy, moved to Miami Beach. She kept a low profile, worked as a party promoter and in a gift shop, not reconciling with her father until the late 90s after a family tragedy that I will discuss further in the timeline. So maybe that is why Bill threw her under the bus. Because the truth, you know, it wasn't that she had a shitty character. It's that he didn't fucking do what was right by her. You know, it wasn't that she had a shitty character. It's that he didn't fucking do what was right by her
Starting point is 00:38:11 Oh and multiple women will later claim that Cosby had raped him around the same time as he is showing sympathy for this fellow rapist Let's talk about mr. Huxnable's next child now his first son Ennis Cosby born April 15th, 1969 and he will be Cosby's only son Another daughter Enza Cosby born April 8th, 1973 Enza will pass away from kidney failure in February of 2018 sadly in her final years. She vigorously defended her dad against any and all accusations against him comparing him being charged with crimes to being lynched by a racist lynch mob. That's a really good way to shit on all the innocent people who actually were victims of racist lynch mobs.
Starting point is 00:38:49 I will say that she got that line of thinking though from her mom, which we will discover later. The couple's youngest daughter, Evan Cosby, born August 27th, 1976. Evan, I like that name, Evan. Evan, now a luxury boutique owner and graduate from the Fashion Institute of Technology. Fidum, that's actually where Lindsay went. I'll share some additional updates on the Cosby kids as we go forward in the timeline. Right now let's return to the late 1960s. After I Spy ended in 1968, Bill started his own sitcom, The Bill Cosby Show, which were run from 1969 to 1971, did pretty well. It's a precursor to The Cosby Show and he played a gym teacher
Starting point is 00:39:24 at an LA high school. Then from 1971 to 1973 he appeared in the children's series I mentioned earlier, The Electric Company. And while Bill was starring on The Electric Company he also developed the animated series Fat Albert and the Cosby Kids. Based on aspects of his own childhood. Here is the intro to that show. I used to watch this all the time. This is a super cute show. So deserving that the guy who created so much clean comedy, wrote so many kids books, produced, starred in so many quote-unquote wholesome TV shows and movies, almost certainly was drugging and raping dozens if not hundreds of women while he was doing that shit. Ugh. Fat Albert, first aired September of 1972, ran
Starting point is 00:40:42 until 1985, but production was not continuous. There were some years off mixed in there. According to PBS, the pioneering program showcased a cast of inner-city kids who used imagination to deal creatively with the challenges of childhood. Cosby himself said, I wanted to just take the opposites of what heroes look like. The lead character in Cosby's animated show, Fat Albert, was thought to be this laughing, joking, very kind of shy person who was thought to be dumb because he was fat, because he was slow. I'm talking about the stereotypes here. Because he was fat, he could not do anything. Because he was fat, he was in the way during athletic events, clumsy and fell down. So that was Fat Albert.
Starting point is 00:41:19 We put him there and made him the leader of the group, brought out that he was the intelligent fellow and kept the gang together. We put all these guys together and used them to solve problems with a great deal of love and care and intelligence." Cosby's acting career slowed a little bit in the 1970s and he focused more on advertising deals. That's when he started doing lots of commercials. In 1974 he started working with Jello and kids around America would now know him as the Jell-O Man. Here's one of his commercials from the 1970s.
Starting point is 00:41:52 Jell-O pudding pops, frozen pudding on a stick. I want one. You want one? Yeah. Well, I know that little kids love pudding pops because they taste fantabulous, and mothers love it because they know it's made with the goodness of real Jell-O pudding. But I don't know about a kitty cat.
Starting point is 00:42:08 Meow. Okay. Jell-O brand pudding pops made with the goodness of real Jell-O pudding. Well, Miss Kitty Cat, how would you describe Jell-O pudding pops? Perfect. Sadly, Miss Kitty Cat's pudding pop was made mostly out of chloroform and Benadryl. No, Dude probably did make some strong ass jello shots though. While he didn't get the same level of fame for his commercials as he would for stand-up
Starting point is 00:42:34 and sitcoms, he will later claim he made more money doing ads than he did doing anything else in his career. Camille acted as her husband's business manager for all this stuff. She later said in an interview with Oprah that she never felt overshadowed by him. She said she respected his wisdom and his knowledge. Their marriage feels like a sham to me. A business arrangement. I'll explain why as we go forward. Cosby co-starred alongside two legends, Sydney Poitier,
Starting point is 00:42:59 Sydney Poitier and Harry Belafonte. In the 1974 comedy action film Uptown Saturday Night, Cosby then went on to star with Poitier in two more movies. 1975's Let's Do It Again. In 1977's A Piece of the Action. Also in 1977, Cosby promised his wife he would quote cut back on his playboy ways. See what kind of arrangement did they have? He said he would really focus on the family now, but in reality he would just keep having affairs and also very likely keep drugging and raping women who trusted
Starting point is 00:43:33 him. Also in 1977, Cosby earned his doctorate in urban education from the University of Massachusetts Amherst. How wonderful for this guy! Ah, he wrote his dissertation on the Fat Albert Show. Similar to his Temple University degree, Cosby earned his PhD through non-traditional means his screen work counted towards his course credits. So he actually didn't earn a PhD. Not really, not traditionally. He was more like he was given one. But he was, still is, very intelligent, highly educated dude. John Chancellor, a former anchor of NBC Nightly News said in an interview that in the mid-1970s, Cosby was, quote, the nation's most effective communicator.
Starting point is 00:44:09 But according to the New York Times, Cosby felt like he struggled to find a vehicle for his broader performing talents. Well, the Cosby show would be the solution to that problem. For his next big venture, Bill decided to work on a new TV show partially based on his own life. He and Camille some producers They landed on an idea to feature an upper middle-class black family with a doctor fat father and an attorney wife The got the Cosby show first aired on September 20th 1984 and received strong reviews and ratings
Starting point is 00:44:39 I fucking loved that show as a kid. I remember watching in the mid late 80s laughing my ass off show as a kid. I remember watching it in the mid late 80s laughing my ass off maybe falling in a little bit of love or a little bit of lust with Lisa Bonet who played Denise Huxtable, daughter of his. Also watched her in the Cosby spin-off A Different World which I liked and then so many years later when I started reading all the allegations when Hannibal Burr's brought the real Cosby to light my memories of Cosby all tarnished but I knew I could never enjoy anything that motherfucker did ever again. Still love Lisa Bonet though. 2018. Lisa was asked about her former TV dad in an interview published by Deadline. She said she had no knowledge of Cosme's crimes against women adding quote, but there was just energy. A type of sinister shadow energy cannot be
Starting point is 00:45:23 concealed. Asked if she sensed a darkness, Bonet said, always. And if I had anything more to reveal, then it would have happened a long time ago. That's my nature. The truth will set you free. Bonet and Cosby had a somewhat rocky relationship. The consummate hypocrite. Bill publicly did not approve of Lisa posing topless for Interview Magazine, nor did he approve of her appearing in the 1997 film Angel Heart, in which she had a nude scene with Mickey
Starting point is 00:45:51 Rourke. Man, the high and mighty moralist who secretly is sexual predator. Why is that such a sadly common tale? The Cosby Show would run for eight full seasons until April 30th, 1992, and it was the number one show as I mentioned in the beginning of the episode number one show on TV in America for five straight years that's a fucking crazy accomplishment. New York Times reviewed the sitcom on the day it premiered writing that it was quote just another family sitcom focusing on middle-class family problems but the piece continued the difference is simply that Mr. Cosby here at his very best can take the ordinary and make it seem delightfully fresh.
Starting point is 00:46:26 He is not just another harassed father. He is the ultimate father dealing with problems that are terribly and hilariously real. The Times labeled it the classiest, most entertaining new situational comedy of the season. Oh hell yeah. A classy show for a classy guy. By November of 1984, The Times was calling the Cosby show the season's primetime phenomenon. Cosby show was the most popular new series of the fall, received almost all positive reviews, according to The Times review. Unlike most such series where contrived plots and ratatat one-liners prevail, the Cosby series attempts to echo reality. It is filled with small moments that prompt chuckles of recognition in the viewer.
Starting point is 00:47:06 The family is loving, but there is an edge as well. The children squabble and the parents get exasperated. Times also wrote that the show broke stereotypes by portraying a successful, humorous African-American family. And it did! And that's what makes all of this especially infuriating. Bill Cosby did break down many racial barriers in America. He really did. And in doing so, he opened a lot of doors for a lot of future black entertainers. And really more than that, it wasn't just about entertainers.
Starting point is 00:47:32 He was so successful in negating so many stupid stereotypes about black families and black men. But while he was trailblazing, he was also raping a lot of women, many of whom were black. Life would be so much easier. Life would be so much easier if quote-unquote bad guys were always consistently bad and if quote-unquote good guys were always consistently good, right? Bill Cosby was, is both. So fucking good. So fucking bad. It's real mindfuck. Cosby was quoted as saying, some people have said our show is about a white family in blackface. What does that mean? Does it mean only white people have a lock on filling together in a home where the father is a doctor and the mother is a lawyer and the children are constantly being told to study by their parents? Yeah, so true. Karen Snyder, a show producer said, he doesn't ignore the family's
Starting point is 00:48:19 blackness, but he doesn't make a statement about it either. And that's what made it so relatable and beautiful, right? As a little white kid living in a little all-white town in Idaho, I never felt like the Cosby kids were different in a raceway from myself. I only remember being envious that those kids had parents who were still together, who loved each other, and that they had money for cool clothes and lived in a much nicer house than I had ever been inside. The Cosby show was so aspirational for so many kids like me, right? Growing up with that show. We wanted Dr. Huxtable to be our dad, like legitimately. And for Mrs. Huxtable to be our mom and maybe not for Lisa Bonet, you know, Denise to be our sister so we can somehow date her. We wanted to be in that family, but also have Denise be kicked out of the family
Starting point is 00:48:58 so we could make sweet love with Denise and she would stay with us forever. Dr. Heathcliff Huxtable became one of the most if not the most popular dads in the U.S. earning Bill Cosby the title of America's dad. Off camera Cosby was a parental figure to his young co-stars Sabrina LeBouffe, Lisa Bonet, Malcolm Jamal Warner, Tempest Bledsoe, Keisha Knight Pulliam, as well as Raven-Symoné and Erika Alexander. During the Cosby show's run Bill also appeared in several films such as Leonard Part VI in 1987, Ghost Dad in 1990, Leonard Part VI, a spy parody, by the way, Disaster,
Starting point is 00:49:33 considered by many critics to this day to be one of the worst big-budget films literally ever made in the history of Hollywood. But it didn't hurt Cosby's fame. In 1986, Bill published his book Fatherhood, which features reflections, his reflections on parenting. It sold millions of copies, New York Times bestseller. Guessing not a lot of people are buying it now. Time Flies, Bill's 1987 book on aging written when he was 50, also had good sales. After the Cosby show ended, Bill starred next in 19 episodes of the Cosby Mysteries in 1994 and 1995, where he played a criminologist who helps a detective.
Starting point is 00:50:08 Also executive produced a TV show for his TV son, Theo Huxtable, Malcolm Jamal Warner, called Here and Now, that ran for one season in 1992. Malcolm Jamal much more hesitant than Lisa Bonet to condemn Bill when Bill went to prison for rape. He said, the situation is so layered man. I can't defend him or his actions at all, but I also can't throw him under the bus completely. What? Yeah, yeah he can. Not that layered. He blatantly raped a whole bunch of women. That's something that's pretty easy to condemn. Like maybe one of the easiest things to condemn. Cosby
Starting point is 00:50:42 also hosted some episodes of the long running game show, You Bet Your Life, from September 7th, 1992 to June 4th, 1993. Critics were not that impressed with his performance on that show. Seemed to feel that it wasn't the right vehicle for him. 1996, Bill and his co-star, Felicia Rashad, who had played Claire Huxtable, team up together again for the show Cosby,
Starting point is 00:51:04 which is completely unrelated actually to the Cosby show, which is a little confusing. A two sentence log line for this show describes it as follows. Hilton Lucas, Bill Cosby was forced by his employer to retire. His wife, Felicia Rashad has trouble with him always being at home. And so does he. Cosby premiered to a big audience. More than 24.7 million viewers ran for four years, but did not enjoy the same success as the Cosby show, as it went on and just steadily lost viewers. Flesha has never condemned Cosby for his actions.
Starting point is 00:51:34 In fact, after he was released from prison for a procedural error, an error that involved him admitting he drugged women, she tweeted, A terrible wrong is being righted. A miscarriage of justice is corrected. Finally. I'll caps that last word. Then after the internet tore her a new asshole, she released the following politically correct, this is what my publicist obviously told me to say statement. I fully support survivors of sexual assault coming forward. My post was in no way intended to be insensitive to their truth. Personally, I know from friends and family that such abuse has lifelong residual effects. My heartfelt wish is for healing." There you go. 1997 a tragic year for the Cosby family. Bill's roofie supplier passed away and he was not able
Starting point is 00:52:18 to do even a little tiny bit of raping which led to him being super depressed and grumpy and barely any fun for his family to be around. No I I'm kidding. No, I'm pretty sure he kept raping in 1997. For every victim who's come forward, which is over 60 now, how many haven't? Studies, some little stat info here, studies into what percentage of rape victims report their assaults to police or otherwise publicly identify their attacker range tremendously from just under 1 in 20 to one in three. And following that math, if over 60 women have accused Cosby of rape now, that would mean that another 120 plus to 1200 plus have not come forward. That's fucking wild. Scary numbers.
Starting point is 00:52:59 1997 was, by the way, an actual tragic year for the Cosby family. January 16th of that year, Bill and Camille's only son, 27- actual tragic year for the Cosby family. January 16th of that year, Bill and Camille's only son, 27-year-old Ennis Cosby, fatally shot in the head while he was on a Los Angeles freeway ramp, changing a flat tire. At the time of his death, Ennis was a student at Columbia University working on his doctorate in special education. He really seemed like a great young man, wanted to create a school for children with learning disabilities. He was in Los Angeles visiting friends. Another driver would find his dead body on the side of the road and has had his emergency light on and
Starting point is 00:53:32 tire changing equipment out. Two months later in March, an acquaintance of Ennis's shooter provided information that led to his arrest. The killer was 18-year-old Michael Markasev. Markasev and two friends were at a nearby park and ride lot. Markosev, who was high, approached Ennis to rob him, then shot him when he took too long to hand over the money. The following year, in August of 1998, he was sentenced to life without the possibility of parole. Three years later, 2001, he confessed his guilt in a letter to the California Deputy Attorney General. He is still in prison today, and in 2022 2022 said straight up in an interview I watched with the YouTube channel Between the Lines, quote, I need to be in prison.
Starting point is 00:54:13 He does seem pretty reformed, but yeah. Also in 1997, while the Cosby family was dealing with this tragic loss, a young woman named Autumn Jackson, the daughter of Bill's former lover, Sean Upshaw Brown, claimed Bill was her father and attempted to blackmail him out of $40 million. Sean will also be one of the cause of his accusers, claiming that the last two times they had sex, she had been drugged and did not consent to the encounters.
Starting point is 00:54:34 Bill will admit he did have an affair with Jackson's mother, Sean, but will insist all of their sexual encounters were consensual and that he was not Jackson's father. And he has, to my knowledge, never been proven to be her dad. On July 25th 1997 Autumn Jackson is convicted of attempted extortion, conspiracy and crossing state lines to commit a crime. She is later sentenced to 26 months in prison. In a 2000 interview with Oprah Camille said she was of course aware of the reports
Starting point is 00:55:03 of the affair but her focus was on her son's murder. When Oprah asked Camille said she was of course aware of the reports of the affair, but her focus was on her son's murder. When Oprah asked Camille if she was embarrassed by her husband's infidelity, Camille said quote, it was embarrassing in terms of it being an invasion of our private lives. That was something very personal between the two of us. Really, the affair itself wasn't embarrassing though. Again, I just get the feeling that behind closed doors, Bill and Camille have a very unconventional marriage. It's not based in love. To me, it just feels like one where, you know, Bill got to do virtually whatever he wanted,
Starting point is 00:55:33 as long as, you know, Camille raised the kids. And Camille was just, you know, had to be content to share in all of that Cosby money and know that her husband was just constantly fucking around. But I am biased towards thinking that because in addition to really not liking Bill, I don't like Camille either. Based on some outrageous statements I will share later that she made. Cosby continued working in publishing show business in the late 90s and early 2000s. 1999 Bill published a book titled Congratulations Now What? A Book for Graduates. Also in 1999 the 12th and final book in a series called A
Starting point is 00:56:04 Little Bill written by Bill Cosby about adventures his dick goes on that was illustrated by Varnette Honeywood was published. The first book in the series was published 1997. Oprah Winfrey chose three of the Little Bill books as selections for Oprah's Book Club in 1997 which marks the first time that children's books had been selected. Titles in the series included Little Bill Explores a Sleeping Giant's Lady Cave. Little Bill Loses His Raincoat, Has to Go See a Doctor. Little Bill Hides From the Cops Again. Little Bill Threatens to Ruin Big Bill's Life Again. We all know I made up those titles right? I hope so.
Starting point is 00:56:39 He did he did write those books though and they were selected by Oprah. I'll move on. The first of two seasons of a cartoon based on the books aired on Nickelodeon this time after a bunch of rape allegations went public later in 2014. The books will be pulled from schools and no longer printed and reruns of that cartoon based on those books will no longer air on Nickelodeon. In the year 2000, Bill wrote American Schools, the $100 billion dollar challenge. He's actually a very prolific author. 2003, Cosby and his daughter Erica wrote a book together titled Friends of a Feather,
Starting point is 00:57:11 One of Life's Little Fables. Also in 2003, Bill adds another award to his growing collection. He received the Bob Hope Humanitarian Award given to an individual in the telecommunications industry for their philanthropic efforts. Previous year, he was awarded the Presidential Medal of Freedom. Huge honor. Later in 2009, Cosby will receive another huge honor, the Mark Twain Prize for American humor, essentially the biggest award a
Starting point is 00:57:34 comic can win. But let's not jump to 2009 so fast. Back in 2005, Cosby made headlines for very different reason. For the first time, he was publicly accused of sexual assault. The accuser was 29-year-old Andrea Constan. Constan met Bill Cosby in November of 2002 when she was a coach for Temple University women's basketball.
Starting point is 00:57:54 As an alumni, Bill was a big Temple supporter, active in the university community. The two met at a game. Of course, he's going to women's basketball games. Constan alleged that Cosby drugged and sexually assaulted her in January of 2004 at a game. Of course, he's going to women's basketball games. Constance alleged that Cosby drugged and sexually assaulted her in January of 2004 at a home of his in Cheltenham Township, Pennsylvania. She claimed, and he was later found guilty of this in court, that she was complaining to Bill about how stressed out she had been recently. And then Dr. Huxtable, America's dad, he is 66 at this point, she is 30, gave her three blue pills to help her relax. She trusted Bill.
Starting point is 00:58:26 She'd been to his home for numerous dinner parties and private dinners related to Temple's basketball program before. He was a huge supporter of the team and the school. He seemed like a big supporter of her as well. She trusted him. The pills she took left her semi-conscious and unable to move. She recalled as she was passing out, Cosby touching her breasts and crotch and grabbing her hand and putting it on his dick. She passed out, woke up around 4 a.m. to find her clothing all
Starting point is 00:58:50 over the room. Cosby later said that they had a consensual sexual encounter. Making his claim, even harder to believe, is the fact that Andrea is and was openly gay, not bisexual, but gay, and Andrea had a girlfriend at the time. So Bill was claiming that you know, he is just so fucking incredible with women, so sexy, with his chubby ass and his fucking wonky pudding Popeye that she could not resist his not even in the ballpark of fit 66 year old body. That doesn't add up. That doesn't add up at all. Andrea said that she didn't talk about the assault for a year, but it had to see, yeah, like he was the guy, the mayor changed her sexual preference. She's like you know I've only I've only been attracted to women but
Starting point is 00:59:30 fuck Bill Cosby's hot. No. Andrea said that she didn't talk about the assault for a year but it had a significant negative impact on her life during that time. On March 31st 2004 Andrea Constand left her position as director of operations for Temple University's women's basketball team, returned to her hometown of Toronto in Canada thanks to depression and PTSD related to the assault. Meanwhile, Bill Cosby continues to enjoy his successful career because bad people get away with shit all the time and good people suffer because life's not fair. On May 17th of that year, Bill gave a speech at the NAACP award ceremony which led to a speaking tour called A Call Out with Bill Cosby at college campuses and churches across
Starting point is 01:00:09 country. Oh fuck yeah. Bring that motherfucker to schools and churches. Hell yeah. Let his rapey ass preach about how we should all live righteous lives according to his advice. Let him talk about all he's done for black people after he's been raping women for decades many of whom have been black. What a what a voice for the voiceless what a noble champion of the people oh America's dad. January 13 2005 after suffering from occurring nightmares and a flashback that triggered her memory of Cosby's rape Andrea Constance said she finally told her mom that Bill Cosby had drugged and sexually assaulted her.
Starting point is 01:00:45 And a week later, January 22, Konstant filed a police report with the Durham Regional Police outside of Toronto, which initiated a criminal investigation by Montgomery County Detectives in Cheltenham Township. Bill was interviewed by Cheltenham Police Chief John Norris. Norris later told Vanity Fair that Bill was, quote, cooperative, congenial. He came in wearing the typical Cosby sweater. I was asking the question, and I thought Cosby was a gentleman. I don't think he was evasive.
Starting point is 01:01:10 He answered every question I put to him. He said it was a consensual sexual encounter. That summarizes it. Eh, just a friendly gentleman, married, you know, senior citizen in a nice sweater, coming into the station to discuss his consensual sexual encounter with a lesbian coach of a women's basketball team. A woman 36 years younger than him. Ah, no red flags there to be noticed. Oh good work, police chief Norris. You're fucking awesome at what you do.
Starting point is 01:01:35 Three days after the investigation started, Cosby called Andrea Constan and apologized. And now it's all better. Everyone knows that if you rape, the way to make it all better is to call that person up and say, hey, sorry about raping you. And then everything's cool again, right? Sorry about that. I didn't even think about how you being unconscious, you know, when we fucked might be a problem. My bad. Let's go grab coffee. Although he apologized, which is so fucking gross, he declined to identify the pills he gave her that night, suggested the sex was consensual to her. Constand's testimony will be discussed in further detail as we move further down the timeline.
Starting point is 01:02:10 And before moving on to a new accuser, I'm going to take today's second of two. Mitchell sponsor breaks. Thanks for listening to those sponsors. And now let's return to 2005. Here from another alleged victim of America's dad, Bill Cosby, and his unwanted and predatory sexual advances. Also in 2005, February 10th, attorney Tamara Green spoke to The Today Show and alleged that Cosby sexually assaulted her in the 1970s. Today Show anchor at the time, Matt Lauer, who will himself be fired from The
Starting point is 01:02:39 Today Show in 2017 for credible allegations that he anally raped a colleague in 2014 for fuck's sake. That's why she waited 30 years to come forward. And Green said quote, I heard that there had been a sexual assault and that by itself, or excuse me, and that by itself didn't prompt me to come forward. But then I heard that this woman had been given pills, was in a position of trust and friendship with this man. And that behind the pills he took her clothes off and groped her and what have you. I thought you know after all these years it's the same MO, the same old story and I still
Starting point is 01:03:10 didn't come forward. But when I heard it reported that the district attorney had said that the story was weak, that she had not come forward in a timely fashion, that was for me them saying that they were not going to file the case, that they didn't believe her. It was at that time I decided that if there were only two of us, one a long time ago and one right now, then that's two too many. Man, good for her. What a terrible secret to hold for all those years. Green said she met Cosby while at a working lunch at a restaurant in Los Angeles. She had the flu at the time.
Starting point is 01:03:43 Cosby noticed she was sick, asked if she wanted contact, a brand of cold medicine. Green said yes. Cosby went into an office area at the back of the restaurant, returned with two capsules. Green took them. 20 to 30 minutes later she felt quote great, but quote about 10 minutes after that I was almost literally face down on the table of this restaurant. According to Green, Cosby said something to the effect of, oh my, you must be more ill than we believed. Green explained, quote, I totally lost motor control. I was almost unable to hold my head up. I was very, very stoned. He took me to my apartment and then very helpfully and nicely was prepared to take off my clothes and help me into bed and pet me. And
Starting point is 01:04:21 that's how the actual assault began. Nat Lauer asked if Green was able to speak to tell Cosby no and Green said well at first when I got into my apartment and I was so I don't know how sick I was or how stoned I was but I slowly began to understand that I had not taken contact and then she continued I actually told him that he would have to kill me that if he didn't kill me and he tried to rape me I was going to go very badly or it was going to go very badly and I was furious I'm throwing things around so he you know I guess it was inconvenient at that point I had not been crushed successfully into submission and he left $200 bills on my
Starting point is 01:04:56 coffee table and he left my apartment she didn't call the police right away at first it was because she was sick she also felt like no one would believe her because quote this is the great Bill Cosby. He has tremendous wealth, power, a PR machine, a reputation. He is Mr. Jello. But the worst thing you feel is stupid. There's a shame element involved. Soon after the attack her brother became terminally ill. Bill Cosby went to the hospital to make a, to meet some pediatric patients including her brother and gave them gifts and then he died soon afterwards Her brother did. And she did not want to take away this positive experience, uh, with her family. Green said the bill probably didn't even remember her name, adding, and the fact that I told people close in time, the exact details of this story, which so much
Starting point is 01:05:37 matched the details of the new victim is the reason that I decided to come forward. I heard them say about her that it didn't happen, that it's preposterous to build Cosby would do such a thing. Well, it's not preposterous. He did it to me. Cosby's lawyer responded to her claim saying, Ms. Green's allegations are absolutely false. Mr. Cosby does not know the name Tamara Green or Tamara Lucere and the incident she describes did not happen. The fact that she may have repeated this story to others is not corroboration. And before moving forward, Matt Lauer would, by the way, admit to having an extramarital but consensual sexual encounter with the
Starting point is 01:06:09 woman who claimed he sodomized her without consent. Then a second woman would claim that Matt raped her in his office. Seems like he may have slipped her something as well because she said she passed out during the encounter. A third woman, another co-worker, claimed that Matt whipped his dick out in front of her in his office. And a fourth co-worker claimed that Matt gave her a sex toy as a birthday gift, complete with a note on how he wanted to use it on her. And it is that kind of shit that is what led to the very much needed Me Too movement. Back to Cosby now.
Starting point is 01:06:39 February 17, 2005, Montgomery County DA Bruce L. Castor Jr. announced that he would not file charges against Cosby due to, quote, insufficient credible and admissible evidence. So on March 8, 2005, Andrea Constan now filed a civil suit against Cosby. Her suit included depositions from 13 other Jane Doe's who claimed they had also been sexually assaulted by Cosby. A few months later, June 23, 2005, Beth Ferrier, previously known as Jane Doe No. 5, revealed her identity to the Philadelphia Daily News. She alleged that during her quote brief affair with Cosby in 1984, he drugged her coffee
Starting point is 01:07:12 and sexually assaulted her. In the fall of 2005, Cosby gave four days of depositions as part of this lawsuit. The details of his deposition will be kept secret for a decade. And I'll share some of those details later in the timeline. June 6, 2006, in a radio interview with Howard Stern, supermodel Janice Dickinson called Cosby quote a bad guy who preys on women. But still, none of this really makes national news and his career continues unscathed for the time being.
Starting point is 01:07:42 November 8, 2006, Constance lawyers reached a settlement with Cosby, the amount not disclosed at the time being. November 8th 2006, Constand's lawyers reached a settlement with Cosby, the amount not disclosed at the time. The settlement meant Constand's 13 witnesses would not get the chance to testify. While People Magazine spoke to five of the women, shared three of their stories in their December 2006 issue. People noted that cases were, or an issue of theirs in December 2006, people noted that the cases were several decades old, and the victims did not count on contact the police, and that two out of the five accusers allowed Cosby to pay all or part of their traveling living expenses for some time. Three accepted cash from him years later. Two also had had consensual sex relationships with
Starting point is 01:08:19 him. The article also said, quote, their stories, which take place in several cities and span two decades, illustrate the same pattern of behavior, primarily the accusation that Cosby targeted them because they were vulnerable and gained their trust by promising to help their careers. Accuser Barbara Bowman first told her story to Philadelphia magazine in November of 2006. Back in 2005, she was an 18 year old model who wanted to get into acting. Her agent arranged a meeting with Bill Cosby who was 48 at the time. So 48 versus 18. She was overwhelmed with excitement. She said, they first met at a comedy club in Denver. And Bowman recalled, he questioned me quite extensively about my personal history, my
Starting point is 01:08:58 relationship with my father. My father had abandoned me when I was 14. In hindsight, I look back and I realize what he was doing. He was getting information of where my vulnerabilities lay. And if that's what he was really doing, and I personally think it probably was, how fucking dark is that? To find out exactly how someone has been hurt, so you can hurt them even more,
Starting point is 01:09:19 in order to fulfill your own wildly selfish fucked up sexual desires. Cosby also asked her to do disturbing acting exercise. He asked her to imagine she was drunk or drugged and not in control of herself. He wanted her to slump in her chair and then he could whisper what he wanted in her ear. Just a little cringy. Bowman's agent later arranged for her to move to New York City and Cosby continued to mentor her. Bowman claimed that one evening in 1986 Cosby assaulted her in a hotel room in Reno.
Starting point is 01:09:45 She said, quote, he took my hand and his hand over it and he masturbated with his hand over my hand. She said she kept quiet because she thought no one would believe her and she continued to be Cosby's protege. Later in another incident, she was alone with Cosby in his Manhattan town home. He gave her a glass of wine and quote, the next thing I know, I'm sick and I'm nauseous and I'm delusional and I'm limp and I can't think straight and I just came to and I'm wearing a men's t-shirt that wasn't mine and he was in a white robe. He said she had no idea what happened while she was out but you know strongly assumed that she was raped. A month or two later they were in
Starting point is 01:10:16 Atlantic City where Bowman drank another glass of drugged wine. Said she returned to her room. Next day Cosby called her to his suite and she said quote threw me on the bed and braced his arm under my neck so I couldn't move my head, and he started trying to take his clothes off. I remember all the clinking of his belt buckle. He was trying to take my pants down and I was trying to keep them on. Because she resisted him now on this occasion when she wasn't drugged, she said Cosby cut off all contact with her. I had her escorted to the airport for a flight back to Denver and she didn't tell the police, but she did go to an attorney, but then the attorney did not take her seriously.
Starting point is 01:10:48 The second woman who spoke to People Magazine was Tamara Green, whose story we heard early in the timeline. Third was Beth Ferrier, former model. I believe we've met her already as well. So I've been going over this a ton of times, and there's so many names. Ferrier's agent, Joe Ferrell, who was also Barbara Bowman's agent,
Starting point is 01:11:04 introduced her to Bill Cosby in the mid-80s. Ferrier's agent Joe Farrell, who was also Barbara Bowman's agent, introduced her to Bill Cosby in the mid 80s. Ferrier's father died and she had just survived a serious car crash. She was in a vulnerable place in her life. Cosby appeared to be a mentor slash father figure to her. One night she said she was in his dressing room in Denver again, drank a cappuccino and then she blacked out. And then she woke up in her car with her clothes in disarray she's still not sure what happened she says all I had to drink was coffee and the room was spinning then I wake up with my clothes a mess my bra unhooked I wondered I still wonder what did he do with me why was my bra unhooked what happened when she asked Cosby about it all he said was
Starting point is 01:11:40 quote will never speak of this again. Oh, America's dad, wholesome comic, clean comedy. Farrier got divorced in 1985 and for reasons I'm guessing not even she fully understands, she began an on and off consensual affair with Cosby for several years. She said, quote, he kept luring me in. I felt like I couldn't say no. People asked her former agent, Joe Farrell,
Starting point is 01:12:00 about introducing women to Cosby. She said she only supplied Cosby with tapes and portfolios for clients, adding, quote, he wanted to look at children and girls for his show. I wasn't in on personal interviews. Despite these allegations, Cosby's career continues unharmed. It seemed that the overwhelming majority of the public who heard about the sexual assault accusations just assumed these women were opportunists, gold diggers coming after somebody with money, and not actually victims.
Starting point is 01:12:26 And I imagine most people did not want to believe that America's dad, Mr. Cliff Huxtable himself, Mr. fucking Jello Puddin' Pop, hey, hey, hey, Fat Albert, you know, could have done that shit. November of 2013, Bill returned to stand up very briefly. He appeared in the Comedy Central special titled Far From Finished. Well, he actually, he actually be pretty close to being finished here. It was his first concert special in three decades. It was you know fairly well received. By the end of the very next year accusations of sexual misconduct resurfaced and this
Starting point is 01:12:56 time dozens more women will come forward and another black comic will be the reason these women's claims become national news October 16 2014 very funny comic Hannibal Burr's I met him a few times over the years. He has always seemed to be a genuinely good dude Performed in Philadelphia and mocked Cosby is a part of his routine He'd been doing this joke about Cosby for about six months But this time somebody finally recorded it uploaded it and got some buzz and went viral Here is Hannibal's bit. I think it's best for you to hear it directly from him.
Starting point is 01:13:27 But the audio is pretty terrible, so if you don't understand what he's saying, don't even worry about it. I will read a transcript of what he said directly afterwards. Has the fucking smugest old black man public persona that I hate. Just get some teeth. Pull your pants up, black people. I was on TV in the 80s. I can talk down to you
Starting point is 01:13:48 because I had a successful sitcom. Yeah, it was rape women, Bill Cosby, so. Kind of brings you down a couple notches. I don't curse on stage, but yeah, you're a rapist, so. Take you saying lots of motherfuckers on Bill Cosby and a lot of rape allegations. No, you them. That shit is upset. If you didn't know about it, trust me.
Starting point is 01:14:22 You leave here, Google Bill Cosby raking. That's not funny. That shit has more- Okay, so here's what he says. Here's what he just heard. He said, 13, and it's even worse because Bill Cosby has the fucking smuggest old black man public persona that I hate. Pull your pants up, black people. I was on TV in the 80s.
Starting point is 01:14:41 I can talk down to you because I had a successful sitcom. Yeah, but you raped women, Bill Cos Cosby so that brings you down a couple notches I don't curse on stage yeah you're a rapist so I'll take you saying lots of motherfuckers on Bill Cosby himself if you weren't a rapist I want to just at least make it weird for you to watch Cosby show reruns I've done this bit on stage and people don't believe people think I'm making it up that shit is upsetting if you didn't know about it. Trust me you leave here and Google Bill Cosby rape It's not funny. That shit has more results than Hannibal Burr's
Starting point is 01:15:13 That's pretty funny punchline there In a June 2015 interview with GQ Burr's opened up about his shocked reaction to the fallout from his joke He said quote you can't predict like that, you know like that something's gonna happen like that. When pressed by the interviewer he rejected the idea of being a quote feminist hero for helping give a voice to Cosby's accusers including former models Beverly Johnson and Janiece Dickinson. He said people are gonna put you on whatever they want to put you on. People are going to put on you whatever they want to put on you. It is conflicting because people think I'm like this amazing guy or something. I'm a decent guy. I love his raw honesty and humility there. Backing up just before Hannibal's bit goes viral.
Starting point is 01:15:49 On October 27th, 2014, Barbara Bowman, who we just met, had given a detailed account of her experience with Bill Cosby with the Daily Mail. And the interview was part of the Google results that Hannibal was referring to. Bowman said, I was drugged and raped by that man. He is a monster. He came at me like a monster. Bowman told the Daily Mail she never took a payment from Cosby which gave her in her words the freedom to speak out.
Starting point is 01:16:10 She said my motivation to speak out now is to expose Bill Cosby as the animal he is. He went after me in that hotel room like an animal with such sexual prowess and force that he couldn't control himself. And at 19 years old I knew it would be the last time he would ever get that chance to hurt me this way again November 10th 2014 now As Hannibal's bit is going viral Cosby's PR team begins a quote concerted effort to counter the negative press and they do something so dumb They launched an online Bill Cosby meme generator and holy shit does this backfire?
Starting point is 01:16:47 Cosby posted meme me on Twitter with a link to this meme generator and then Twitter users responded in mass with thousands and thousands tens of thousands of memes Referencing the rape claims and Cosby's team then removes the meme generator I found a bunch of these. A lot of images of Cosby dressed up like a doctor playing Dr. Huxtable from the Cosby show. With shit written on the image like What you need some rest? These pills should do the trick or
Starting point is 01:17:17 Didn't even say hello to get a Nergello or I love pudding. Pudding my dick where it don't belong. That was one of my favorite ones. There's also an out-of-focus image of him with text that says if you're seeing this it's too late. Yeah, just hundreds and hundreds thousands of memes like this, and I hope Bill saw all of them that piece of shit. November 13 2014 accuser Barbara Bowman releases an op-ed in the Washington Post titled Bill Cosby raped me. Why did it take 30 years for people to believe my story? Post titled Bill Cosby raped me why did it take 30 years for people to believe my story in the article Bowman uh notes that she spoke out years earlier in 2006 but her complaint quote didn't seem to take hold she added that she was grateful the clip of Hannibal Burruss brought new attention to Cosby's crimes but quote I must ask my own questions why wasn't I believed why
Starting point is 01:18:00 didn't I get the same reaction of shock and revulsion when I originally reported it? Cosby refuses to address these allegations in an NPR segment that airs November 15, 2014. The interview focused on Bill and Camille's loan of 60 art pieces to the Smithsonian National Museum of African Art. And during the interview, reporter Scott Simon asks or says, this question gives me no pleasure, Mr. Cosby, but there have been serious allegations raised about you in recent days." Cosby does not reply, just stares at him silently. Simon continues, shaking his head no, I'm in the news business, I have to ask the question, do you have any response to those charges?
Starting point is 01:18:38 Cosby remains silent, and then Simon thanks him for the interview and ends it. Just a little awkward. November 16, 2014, a new accuser comes forward. Journalist and publicist Joan Tarshish tells CNN that Cosby had drugged and sexually assaulted her on two different occasions back in 1969. Interestingly that year, Cosby had released his album titled It's True, It's True. And on one of his routines, he talks about sipping the mythical aphrodisiac Spanish fly or slipping it, not sipping it, slipping it into women's drinks.
Starting point is 01:19:11 Oh this is not good, not a good look. Here's a bit of this bit. When I was 13, man, start talking about weird things. No, really, stand on the corner. You know anything about Spanish fly? What? Spanish fly. It always happens when you're 13. Only when you're 13, or not like when you get married, guys stand around and talk about Spanish fly and it never starts with one of the guys on the corner. It's always some strange 13 year old that says, you know what? You know anything about Spanish fly? No, tell me about well, there's this girl crazy Mary You put some in her drink man. She
Starting point is 01:19:49 Yeah, oh, yeah, that's really groovy man Spanish fly is groovy. Yeah from then on man. Anytime you see a girl Go to a party see five girls stand in the long boy bad a whole jug of Spanish fly girl standing alone boy bad a whole jug of Spanish fly like that corner up over there. How fucking disturbing is that shit? Cosby was a very autobiographical comic and I'm talking about his comedy in the past tense now because I think his days of performing as a comic are over. He talked about Spanish fly again while promoting a book on Larry King live in 1991. This is fucking even more cringy. It was on the head of a pen. And you put it in a drink. Coca-Cola, don't matter. It doesn't make it, and the girl would drink it and... She sure did. Hello, America.
Starting point is 01:20:51 Fuck. How fucking gross are Larry King's reactions there? What the fuck is happening? November... It's not like that was, I don't know, fucking a thousand years ago. I mean, it still would have been gross, but like... 1991? What are you guys doing?
Starting point is 01:21:02 November 16th, 2014. Day after Joan Tarshish comes forward, Linda Joy Traits, a former waitress at a restaurant where Cosby was a partial owner, posted on Facebook accusing Cosby of attempting to drug her in the early 70s. Two days later, November 18th, supermodel Janiece Dickinson now speaks to Entertainment Tonight, tells them that Cosby drugged and raped her back in 1982. Speaks to Entertainment Tonight tells them that Cosby drugged and raped her back in 1982. Another two days later, November 20, 2014, Theresa Cerenes comes forward, accuses Cosby of drugging, assaulting her in 1976 when she was 19 and he was 39. Bill's attorneys dismiss the women's claims as, quote, decades old, discredited accounts.
Starting point is 01:21:39 But the next day, November 21, more women come forward, including Carla Farino, wife of incredible Hulk actor Lou Farigno. She accused Cosby of attacking her as a teenager. Man, I would fucking love to see Lou Farigno attack Bill Cosby now. Lou is 73 years old, but he still looks strong as fuck. That's a pay-per-view fight I would pay a stupid amount of money to watch Might might just give like the kids college funds to watch that 73 year old Lou Ferrigno versus 87 year old Bill Cosby. Oh my god, ideally a death match
Starting point is 01:22:17 Also, only cuz I know the fucking Frigna would just tear him apart Also on November 21st the National Inquirer released an audio recording to Bill Cosby speaking about accusations back in 2005 after Tamara Green came forward. Cosby was recorded as saying, quote, who really wants to put his or her family in a position of information coming out publicly that will cause great emotional stress, challenge, the choices that the family friends have made in looking at him or her as a good person, a wonderful person, a person to be trusted." Cosby complained that the media reports about him lawyering up were unfair, saying, I guess that a celebrity trying to protect him or herself is not supposed to use every ounce of protection.
Starting point is 01:22:56 But this is all about celebrity, period. Which means that the celebrity, period, should know better. It's a fair warning to the celebrity. Fair warning. Yeah, but so many celebrities don't get accused of this shit. November 23, 2014, 90-year-old former NBC employee Frank Scottie tells the New York Daily News that many years earlier, decades earlier, he paid off multiple victims on Cosby's behalf. He said he arranged meetings, cash payments, apartments, and more with models and other women during the Cosby show's run on the network between 1984 and 1992. 1992, excuse me. So while he's Dr. Huxtable, just you know, a loving family guy, he is just fucking around on his
Starting point is 01:23:33 wife left and right. Scottie provided copies of money orders worth thousands and thousands of dollars made out to eight women between 1989 and 1990. Said he eventually stopped doing it because he was uncomfortable with what he called a cover-up. And he said he felt, he finally decided to doing it because he was uncomfortable with what he called a cover-up and He said he felt he finally decided to come forward because he felt sorry for the women now Finally Cosby starts to pay the price for what he did Various universities and other organizations start to rescind honorary degrees and awards and end associations with him November 30th 2014 Cosby victim Beverly Johnson writes an
Starting point is 01:24:05 essay for Vanity Fair accusing Cosby of drugging her in the mid 80s. Beverly Johnson one of the top models in the nation if not the world in the 1970s and 80s the first black woman to appear on the cover of American Vogue in 1974 and I would like to preface what she's about to say by saying it's not like she came forward because her career was in the toilet and she needed publicity to get it you know going again. No she's 72 today still modeling at a very high level still appearing on the covers of prestigious magazines still ridiculously gorgeous and just I don't know elegant in my opinion she's just consistently exudes class there's a regal air about
Starting point is 01:24:40 her and she was doing well at this time and in her essay she wrote that she felt guilty about not coming forward years earlier. She said it was complicated. She had grown up watching Bill Cosby. You know, he's a fucking hero in her community. She doesn't want to bring a black man down. In the mid-80s Beverly's agent called to inform her that Bill wanted her to audition for the Cosby show because his character played an obstetrician. He sometimes used models to play pregnant women sitting in the waiting room. It was a small part, just a couple of speaking lines, but Beverly thought it would be a good opportunity for her. She was invited to a taping, met with Bill in his office to talk. He asked what she wanted for her career and he seemed interested in offering her career
Starting point is 01:25:18 guidance. Beverly then brought her daughter to the next taping. Afterwards, Bill asked if she could meet him at his home. That weekend to read for the part he even suggested that she bring her daughter. So it didn't seem like he was doing anything creepy. Just a helpful guy. Just America's dad doing some good old daddin'. They went to his New York brownstone, were served a brunch by his staff. Cosby gave them a tour of his home. Beverly wrote, looking back, that first invite from Cosby to his home seems like part of a perfectly laid out plan, a way to make me feel secure with him at all times, and it worked like a charm. A few days later, he suggested that she come back again, so she did. And this time,
Starting point is 01:25:56 she did not bring her daughter. They had dinner together and then went upstairs to this living area that had a bar. Bill had an espresso machine which was rare at the time. He explained he wanted to see how she handled different types of scenes so he suggested that she pretend to be drunk. She said she followed along for the acting exercise. Billin offered her a cappuccino from his espresso machine. She said she didn't drink coffee at night but he insisted she try it. She didn't want to argue with him so she took a few sips to appease him and then she wrote that she had experimented with drugs before and knew by her second sip that she had been drugged. She said quote my head became woozy my speech became slurred and the room began to spin non-stop. Cosmetic motion for me to come over to him as though we were
Starting point is 01:26:39 really about to act out the scene. He put his hands around my waist and I managed to put my hand on his shoulder in order to steady myself. As I felt my body go completely limp, my brain switched into automatic survival mode. That meant making sure Cosby understood that I knew exactly what was happening at that very moment. She said, and I love this, she said she shouted at Cosby, quote, you are a motherfucker, aren't you? Beverly continued shouting expletives at him, which angered him. Everybody knows Bill does not care for profanity. He likes you to work clean.
Starting point is 01:27:09 Clean comedy, clean conversations. He especially likes the women he's trying to rape to be clean, right? It really offends him to have them speak profanely. Turns him off. He grabbed Beverly's arm, dragged her out of his home, shoved her into a taxi without saying a word, she said. She has no memory of how she got into her apartment or into her bed. Took a few days,
Starting point is 01:27:27 she said, for the drugs to fully wear off. Man, whatever he gave her was fucking strong. She got that from a few sips. Once she recovered, Beverly went to California for an audition. She felt the need to confront Bill and she decided to call him, but his wife answered. She asked to speak to Bill. Camille told her that it was late. They were in bed together. Beverly then apologized for forgetting the time difference. Said she'd call back tomorrow, but she never did. She said, at a certain moment it became clear that I would be fighting a losing battle with a powerful man. So callous, he not only drugged me, but also gave me the number to the bedroom he shared with his wife. In the end, just like the other women, I had too much to lose to go after Bill Cosby.
Starting point is 01:28:08 And there's something fucking weird about her answering and just being so calm too. I don't like either one of these people, Bill or Camille. For a long time, she said she thought she was the only victim until other women came forward. December 1st, 2014. Bill Cosby resigns from Temple University's Board of Trustees, under pressure to do so. Two days later, December 3rd, Bill Cosby breaks months of silence on Twitter to thank comic host and actress Whoopi Goldberg and singer-slash-songwriter Jill Scott for their support of him. Whoopi would receive death threats for standing by Cosby. By July of 2015, she will change her stance and now say she believes his accusers. Also in the summer of 2015, Jill
Starting point is 01:28:44 Scott will change her stance as well and say, I stood by a man I respected and loved and I was wrong. She will also tweet on July 6th, 2015 about Bill Cosby. Sadly, his own testimony offers all caps proof of terrible deeds, which is all I have ever required to believe the accusations. So, you know, good on Whoopi and Jill. I mean, that motherfucker duped them like he had duped so many other people December 2nd victim Judy Huth files a civil suit against Cosby alleging He forced her to perform a sexual act on him in 1974 when she was only 15 years old
Starting point is 01:29:20 She said she traveled with mr. Cosby to the Playboy Mansion in 1975 or excuse me 1974 when she was just Mr. Cosby to the Playboy Mansion in 1975, or excuse me, 1974, when she was just 15, he was 38. That alone is so fucking creepy. Where she said she came out of the bathroom to find the entertainer sitting on a bed in an isolated adjoining room. He patted the seat next to him, she said. I sat down, he tried to lean me back, he tried to kiss me, he tried to put his hands underneath
Starting point is 01:29:43 my belly button, where my high-waisted pants pants were to deflect him. Mrs. Huss said she told mr Cosby she was on her period and then she said he pulled his sweats down grabbed my hand Put it over his hand closed it and forced her to perform a sex act on him Two days after she went public with this accusation Cosby filed a countersuit claiming She was suing after he failed extortion attempt. Cosby claimed Huth's lawyer approached his lawyer in November of 2014 demanded a hundred grand for his silence, later increasing the amount to 250 grand after more women came forward. Cosby sued also alleged that Huth tried to sell her story to the tabloids a decade earlier and was now claiming she repressed
Starting point is 01:30:19 the memory until recently. The document noted that Huth alleged she and Cosby participated in a drinking game and both consumed three beers but quote it is well known and easily verifiable that Mr. Cosby is a lifelong non-drinker. That's actually not easily verifiable. You can say you're a lifelong drinker or non-drinker and you can secretly have as many fucking drinks as you want. I doubt he has been sober all these years. I bet that claim is just another part of his fake goody-two-shoes I'm such a fucking harmless teddy bear gentle good guy public persona Cosby lawyers to the statement on December 13th that he won't dignify these allegations with any response Or actually, I'm sorry. Yeah in early December. I don't have the exact date for that statement
Starting point is 01:31:02 But then on December 13th Cosby tells the New York Post, Let me say this. I expect the black media to uphold the standards of excellence in journalism. And when you do that, you have to go with a neutral mind. That's fucked up. If you go after me, you're fucking Uncle Tom's, you know, is what he's saying there. That's so fucking manipulative. Why is he making that about race? So gross when so many black men historically have actually been framed in America specifically for rape to bring that history into his bullshit to me shows what kind of duty really is just a guy with no honor his lawyers advised him
Starting point is 01:31:36 not to address the allegations but he did say about his wife Camille love and strength of womanhood let me say it again love and strength of womanhood. Let me say it again. Love and strength of womanhood. And you could reverse it. The strength of womanhood in love. Okay. Thank you for that profound gibberish Bill. That was great. Camille Cosby issued a statement December 15th 2014. I met my husband Bill Cosby in 1963. We were married in 1964. The man I met and fell in love with and whom I continue to love is the man you all knew through his work. He is a kind man, a generous man, a funny man, and a wonderful husband, father, and friend. He is the man you thought you knew. A different man has been portrayed in the media over the past two months. It is the portrait of a man I do not know. It is also a portrait painted by
Starting point is 01:32:20 individuals and organizations who many in the media have given a pass. There appears to be no vetting of my husband's accusers before stories are published or aired. An accusation is published and immediately goes viral. We all follow the story of the article in the Rolling Stone concerning allegations of rape at the University of Virginia. The story was heartbreaking, but ultimately appears to be proved to be untrue. Many in the media were quick to link that story to stories about my husband until that story unwound. None of us will ever want to be in the position of attacking a victim, but the question should be asked, who is the victim? Okay, I mean, she, you know, that is a good argument, but when
Starting point is 01:32:58 she wrote that, at the very least, she knew he had been wildly unfaithful for decades. So get the fuck out of here with this. You know, he's a great husband. He's the man you thought you knew bullshit. No, no he isn't. His public persona, his comedy act, was just that an act. He doesn't, you know, appear publicly to be this philandering dude. No, he appears to be like this nerdy fucking sweater wearing, I'm a, you know, do whatever my wife says kind of dude
Starting point is 01:33:27 He was always a phony December 16 2014 the Los Angeles DA's office declined to charge Cosby in response to Judy Huss allegations citing the statute limitations Cosby's daughter Evan issued a statement to Access Hollywood saying he is the father you thought you knew the Cosby show was my today's says Hollywood saying he is the father you thought you knew the Cosby show was my today's it's kind of weird how she phrased it the Cosby show was my today's TV reality show thank you that's all I would like to say I'm gonna give Evan a pass because you know parents are able to hide all sorts of shit from their kids she's another victim after the allegations surface NBC and Netflix announced they were dropping projects they had with Cosby 2015 stand-up
Starting point is 01:34:03 comeback tour is cancelled. Also in 2015, more women come forward with claims of sexual assaults. Ultimately, there will now be dozens of accusers. January 7, 2015, Felicia Rasad, Cosby's former co-star, clarifies some remarks she had made defending him. She explained that in all their years working together, she just never witnessed any of the behavior described by the accusers. In an interview with ABC she said,
Starting point is 01:34:27 What you're seeing is the destruction of a legacy and I think it's orchestrated. I don't know why or who's doing it but it's a legacy and it's a legacy that is so important to the culture. That same day, lawyer Gloria Allred held a press conference introduced three new accusers including a woman previously known as victim six now identified as Kelly Johnson. Following month February 12 2015 two former models come forward to accuse Cosby of sexual misconduct Linda Brown was 21 she says when she met Cosby for dinner in 1969 says he persuaded her to go to his hotel room said he had a gift for she said he gave her a soda when she got to his room and it caused her to blackout when she woke
Starting point is 01:35:04 up she was naked in bed next to him and then he flipped her over and sexually assaulted her. Makes me think of that fucking Spanish fly routine I heard a bit of. A routine he would have been performing at that time. Second model Lisa Latte-Lublin 23 years old had already met Cosby twice before she said she was assaulted in Las Vegas in 1989. He would have been 52 at that time. She said Cosby asked her to do some improv and during their meeting he gave her two alcoholic beverages that made her feel dizzy and disoriented. Her memory was fuzzy but she remembered that he
Starting point is 01:35:35 straddled her and petted her hair and then she passed out completely. When she woke hours later she was home and her car was in her driveway and she had no recollection of how she got there. March 13, 2015 Lisa Latte asked Nevada legislators to rescind the state statute on limitations on sexual assault. She wanted to file criminal charges and while her request, that was a weird way to pronounce that, her request and while her request will not be granted at that time, it will be granted years later. I'll get to that later in the timeline. Two days later, May 15, 2015, Cosby gives an exclusive interview with ABC.
Starting point is 01:36:10 At the time of the interview, he was in Alabama preparing to, quote, rape a whole bunch of students. Hey, hey, hey! No, I meant to say he was in Alabama to speak to a whole bunch of students. He expected backlash saying, I think that many of them may say, well you are a hypocrite. You say one thing, you say another. My point is, okay listen to me carefully. I'm telling you where the road is out. I'm telling you where as you drive you are going to go into the water. Now you want to go here or you want to be concerned about who is giving you the message?
Starting point is 01:36:48 He speaks a little cryptically sometimes. I do see what he's saying. But, you know, how about those students get some good life messages from, I don't know, one of the many, many, many other black men who have come from nothing and made it, so to speak, who haven't, you know, had fucking dozens of allegations of sexual assault, you know, put on them. You know, many of the assaults happening to women of college age. Fuck. May 20, 2015, model Janice Dickinson filed suit against Cosby after his team claimed she lied when accusing him of sexual assault here in 1982. She claimed regarding that assault that Cosby flew her all the way from a shoot in Bali to his home in Nevada in so many homes To discuss I mean he was worth like yeah again like 400 million dollars
Starting point is 01:37:32 To discuss her work on the Cosby show during this meeting she complained about menstrual cramps And he offered her a glass of red wine and a pill she said she trusted Cosby right dr. Huxtable So she took the pill Dixon told CNN that she then started to lose consciousness. She remembered Bill getting on top of her and quote, I remember more specifically waking up and that there was a lot of pain downstairs. There was semen all over me and my pajama bottoms were off and the top was opened. At that point, fight or flight, I just packed up and got the hell out of there. In her complaint, she specified that Cosby penetrated her both vaginally and anally without her consent that motherfucker. And like fellow supermodel Beverly Johnson her coming forward with this information didn't
Starting point is 01:38:13 help her career and she was doing great. She was fucking killing it in reality TV at this time. Still modeling at a high level making a lot of money when she made this allegation. July 6, 2015, federal judge grants the Associated Press's request to unseal court documents from 2005, which included Bill Cosby's deposition in the Andrea Constan lawsuit. According to ABC, Constan had previously filed a motion to have the deposition unsealed because Cosby violated a non-disclosure agreement by responding to newly surfaced allegations. In the now unsealed deposition, Cosby admitted that he had obtained prescription quailutes in the 1970s for the purpose of giving them to women he wanted to have sex with.
Starting point is 01:38:54 Fuck! Fuck, I'm gonna repeat that. He admitted he obtained prescription quailutes in the 70s specifically for the purpose of giving them to women he wanted to fuck. Again, I think of his fucked up Spanish fly bit. Cosby said in a deposition quote, I used them the same as a person would say have a drink. Yeah, but he didn't tell him really what it was. He just gave him a pill. Cosby did not state whether he gave women drugs without their knowledge only due to his attorney's objection, seemingly.
Starting point is 01:39:29 But he admitted he asked a modeling agency to connect him to young women who were specifically quote new in town and not doing well financially. So fucking gross. The New York Times obtained and released portions of the thousand page transcript of Cosby's deposition. The Times reported that Cosby spoke in a casual and indifferent tone and that quote the entertainer comes across as alternately annoyed mocking Occasionally charming and sometimes boastful Often blithely describing sexual encounters in graphic detail when insisting his encounter with Andrea constant was consensual He said quote. I think I'm a pretty decent reader of people and their emotions and these romantic sexual things whatever you want to call them
Starting point is 01:40:04 He was asked if he thought one of the women he gave Quaaludes to, Teresa Sereniz, was able to consent to sex and he responded, quote, I don't know. Cosby indicated he personally did not like to take the Quaaludes himself because they made him sleepy. Yeah, motherfucker, that they make everyone sleepy. That's exactly why he gave them to these women. He also detailed how he seduced slash manipulated women. In the case of Andrea Constan, he said he invited her to his house,
Starting point is 01:40:28 talked to her about her personal life, growth, education, acted as a mentor to her. He admitted he tried to hide his affairs from his wife by doing things like paying Teresa Cerenes off by blocking a tabloid article about another accuser, et cetera. Cosby said that during his courtship of Andrea Constan, they had an intimate meal alone at his home in Pennsylvania.
Starting point is 01:40:47 He said they got close, but he didn't try to kiss her because he didn't think she wanted him to. And then at their next dinner, they had a quote sexual moment, but didn't have sex. He explained, he explained, this fucking kills me. This is the most ridiculous shit. He explained that he did not like to have sex with these women because, get this, he didn't want these women to fall in love with him. My God. I cannot see Bill fucking Cosby, 66 year old fucking flabby ass pudding pop Cosby being such an incredible legendary lover that this young super fit, also lesbian as a reminder,
Starting point is 01:41:27 basketball coach, again, is gonna fall in fucking love with him if they fuck one time, right? Completely, I know I already mentioned this earlier, but just completely switch sexual persuasions. He is such an arrogant, delusional clown. He said that he and Constand were, quote, playing sex, we're playing, petting, we're playing. Oh my God, he claimed that on the night
Starting point is 01:41:44 of the alleged assault, he gave Constand one and a half Benadryl tablets to quote relieve her stress. Yeah, yeah, totally, because everybody knows that when you're stressed out you take fucking Benadryl. And that they then kissed and had sexual contact after that, after she's drowsy as fuck. He later said he spoke to her mom about it, that he was worried that she would think of him as a dirty old man. Yeah, oh, because you are. During that call, he said he wanted Constance to tell her mother, quote, about the orgasm. So she would realize it was good. That's so absurd. Just tell your mom about how you came. Come on. He said he was worried that they would try to embarrass him. So he offered to help pay for Constance education,
Starting point is 01:42:19 but then she refused to take that money. but then she refused to take that money. July 26, 2015, New York magazine's The Cut runs a story titled 35 Women Tell Their Stories About Being Assaulted by Bill Cosby and the Culture That Wouldn't Listen. By the time of publication, there were now 46 women who came forward, almost 50 women, accusing Cosby of rape, sexual assault, being drugged with the obvious intention of being assaulted. Most of the women who spoke to the cut said they were drugged without their awareness or consent. According to the piece, quote,
Starting point is 01:42:48 the group of women Cosby allegedly assaulted functions almost as a longitudinal study, both for how an individual woman, excuse me, woman, on her own, deals with such trauma over the decades, and for how the culture at large has grappled with rape over the same time period. In the 60s, when the first alleged assault by Cosby occurred, rape was considered to be something violent committed by a stranger. Aquain's rape didn't register as such, even for the women experiencing it. A few Cosby's accusers claimed that he molested or raped them multiple times.
Starting point is 01:43:18 One remained in his orbit, in and out of a drug state for years. In the 70s and 80s, campus movements like Take Back the Night and No Means No helped raise awareness of the reality that 80 to 90 percent of victims know their attacker. Still, the culture of silence and shame lingered, especially when the men accused had any kind of status. The first assumption was that women who accused famous men were after money or attention. As Cosby allegedly told some of his victims, no one would believe you, so why speak up? The group of accusers ranges in age from early 20s to 80 and includes supermodels Beverly
Starting point is 01:43:51 Johnson and Janiece Dickinson, along with waitresses and Playboy bunnies and journalists and a host of women who formerly worked in show business. Many of the women say they know of others still out there who have chosen to remain silent. One of the women was 59-year-old Patricia Leary Stewart, who claimed she had been assaulted back in 1978 and 1980. According to the article, then 22-year-old Stewart worked at the University of Massachusetts and met Cosby there after he gave a lecture in 1978. He offered to mentor Stewart as she pursued a singing career. Cosby
Starting point is 01:44:22 later invited her to a dinner party at his Massachusetts home. When Stewart got there, the table was set for just two people. Cosby handed Stuart a drink and insisted she perform an improv exercise pretending she was a queen with oatmeal covering her face. She began to feel woozy. Her next memory is of Cosby standing above her, her clothes off in a bathrobe. He handed her a toothbrush telling her that she had gotten sick and passed out in his guest room. Stuart went home still unsure of what actually happened to her. Cosby kept in touch arranging for acting lessons at a gym membership for. Invited Stewart to events but nothing more occurred until he asked her to join
Starting point is 01:44:54 him in Atlantic City. In the evening, she met him in his suite where he handed her two large pills and a glass of champagne. The next morning she woke up naked in one of the rooms in his suite or of his suite. Stewart joined on as a Jane Doe in the 2005 Andrea Constand lawsuit. She had initially wanted to sue him in New York but when the news broke that Cosby admitted in depositions that he had given women Quaaludes, she sent an email saying the protection wasn't necessary. He could no longer claim that we are lying. She wrote, I want to spend time
Starting point is 01:45:24 with him because this is the man who wrote. I want to spend time with him because this is the man who said he was going to help me with my career. So I thought, okay, I'll take the pills. I really had no idea what his modus operandi was. Not that I blame myself or that I feel responsible, but I allowed my ambition to overrule my judgment. I placed my trust in a flawed human being. I don't want to ever be seen as his victim what happened happened. I told the man that I was going to marry, whom I met shortly after that. I told some of my friends. I got a mixture of disbelief, but I didn't get a lot of encouragement to go to the authorities because in the late 70s women didn't challenge powerful men. 67 year old Joan Tarshis assaulted in 1969 also detailed what she went through with Cosby. According to the article, 19 year old Tarshish, assaulted in 1969, also detailed what she went through with Cosby. According to the
Starting point is 01:46:06 article, 19-year-old Tarshish was starting a career as a comedy writer when she met Cosby in Los Angeles through mutual friends. The comedian asked Tarshish if she'd be interested in working on some material with him. She joined Cosby at his bungalow. Cosby served Tarshish a Bloody Mary, topped with a beer, she drank some, and the next thing she remembered was Cosby undressing her on his couch. She told him she had a yeast infection, hoping to fend him off. Cosby grabbed her head, forced her to perform oral sex on him. Back in New York, Tarshish got a phone call from Cosby, inviting her to his show on Long Island now. Her mother answered the phone, and Tarshish didn't want to explain to her mom why she was reluctant to attend. She had a drink or two at
Starting point is 01:46:41 his New York City hotel. Before she left, she saw a vial of pills in a man's shaving kit. They went to the show. It hit me like a sledgehammer, she says. She felt like she was about to pass out, and she had the driver take her back to the limo. The next thing she remembers is waking up in bed the next morning with Cosby, naked and sore. She came forward in November of 2014. It was really painful.
Starting point is 01:47:01 The way he was holding onto my hair, I couldn't get away. I never wrote comedy again, she said. I couldn't put a name to hair. I couldn't get away. I never wrote comedy again She said I couldn't put a name to it. I didn't say a cost it I didn't know what to call it The difference between this and somebody else's rape in the dark alley is that his face would be before me every week on TV Every once in a while my parents saying oh come here. Look and see Bill Cosby. Look at the Cosby show people would mention a joke and That he said wasn't that funny?
Starting point is 01:47:25 All the while, my stomach would just be churning saying, you don't know the man. A 55 year old, Heidi Thomas, a music teacher was 24. She said when she was assaulted at 1984, she told the cut. My agent said we've been contacted by a really, really big person in the entertainment industry who's interested in mentoring promising young talent. I find out it's Bill Cosby. I had the understanding I was going to be receiving private acting coaching from him. This was the opportunity of a lifetime. A driver would pick me up, my agent was paying for it. That made it all very very professional. The door opened
Starting point is 01:47:59 and there stands Cosby. He's in his sweats and very casual, very friendly. I had a monologue prepared. He seemed unimpressed. He said, let's try a cold read. So he pulls out a script. The scene was set in a bar. The character was someone who was inebriated. He poured a glass of white wine and he said, use this as a prop. Now that means you're going to have to sip on it, of course. I really don't remember much except waking up in his bedroom. He was naked and he was forced himself into my mouth. Fucking my God. He'd worked out a whole scenario he could just replay over and over and over. Famous, wealthy, trustworthy actor and comic offering to help
Starting point is 01:48:35 young women break into showbiz. Right? Oh yeah send her over to my house let's do some improv. For this scene drink this. Pretend like you're drunk. And then once the drugs hit and she's blacking out, he rapes her. Writer Jewel Allison said she was assaulted in 1990. I was introduced to Bill Cosby through my modeling agent. She said that Cosby wanted to see me, which I thought was obviously for the show. I was told there was going to be a dinner, and when I got there, no one ever arrived. He asked me if I wanted a glass of wine. I took a few sips.
Starting point is 01:49:04 It had a horrible taste. And I started not feeling well. He held me up on my underarms with both hands. He walked me into the next room where there was a mirror on the wall and he told me to look at myself. Something was wrong with me. And then he took my right hand and he put it behind my back. I remember seeing semen on the floor and I felt liquid on my hand.
Starting point is 01:49:23 That was when I knew something sexual was going on. Man, what the fuck? 72-year-old Victoria Valentino, former Playboy Bunny, recounted what happened to her in 1969 saying, he took my roommate and me out to dinner. It was this new hip steak restaurant on the strip near the Whiskey-a-Go-Go called Sneaky Pete's. He was chatting her up trying to charm her and he reached across and put a pill next to my wine glass and said, here, this will make you feel better. And he gave her one. I wasn't really thinking. My son had recently died. I thought great me feel better you bet. So I took the pill and washed it down with some red wine and then he reached across and put
Starting point is 01:49:54 another pill in my mouth and he gave her one. Just after I took the second pill my face was like face in plate syndrome and I just said I want to go home. He said he would drive us home he went up this elevator or we went up this elevator I sat down I laid my head back just fighting nausea I looked around and he was sitting next to my roommate on the loveseat with this very predatory look on his face. She was completely unconscious I could hear the words in my head but I couldn't form words with my mouth because I was so drugged out. He got up came over he sat down unzipped his pants,
Starting point is 01:50:26 he had me give him oral sex, and then he stood me up, turned me over, did me doggy style, and walked out. Just as he got to the door I said, how do we get out of here? How do we get home? And he said, call a cab. Motherfucker, I bet he knew that her son had just died. 66 year old Kathy McGee, just a little bit more here, former actress and Vegas showgirl, said she was assaulted sometime that her son had just died. 66 year old Kathy McGee, just a little bit more here, former actress and Vegas showgirl, said she was assaulted sometime between 1973 and 1974, and she told The Cut, Bill had been a friend. I had had a dinner with his wife on one or two different occasions.
Starting point is 01:50:57 I'd worked with him. I'd known him for many, many years and he never made a pass at me. So when this happened to me, I was really, really shocked. I just couldn't understand what was wrong with him. Had he lost his mind? When I came out of the bathroom, he said to me, okay, come on, let's go. They're waiting for us. He was behaving like a person that I had never met before in my life. 70 year old Joyce Emmons, a former comedy club manager, said she was assaulted between 1979 and 1980. She said, I had a terrible headache. I said, Bill, do you have some Tylenol? I have a mother of a headache and he said to me I have something stronger and I said, you know I don't do drugs. He said you're one of my best friends would I hurt you? And I believed him.
Starting point is 01:51:34 All I remember is taking the pill. I don't remember going to bed but I do remember waking up in a fog and opening my eyes and I had no clothes on and there was Bill's friend totally naked in bed with me. He started to laugh and smile and he said oh, did you have a good time? I said what the fuck happened do you always fuck a dead person? I got my clothes on and I walked out and Bill said where are you going? I said what the fuck did you give me he said oh you had a bad headache You were in so much pain. I gave you a quail ute That's why I know the stories of what he did to other women are true
Starting point is 01:52:02 Because if he didn't have the respect for me who was a really close friend then he could have done that to anybody. He didn't know very well Former Playboy Bonnie and hotel executive PJ Mastin said I told my supervisor at the Playboy Club what he did to me And you know what she said to me. She said you do know that's Hugh Hefner's best friend, right? I said yes, she says to me nobody's going to believe you. I suggest you shut your mouth Man motherfucker and it just keeps going more and more revolting stories The cut also spoke to women who had already gotten public such as Tamara green who said People often these days say well, why didn't you take it to the police? Andrea constant went to the police in 2005 how to work out for her. Not at all in
Starting point is 01:52:42 2005 Bill Cosby still had control of the media in 2015 we have social media. We can't be disappeared. It's online and it can never go away. It's fucking great point. Barbara Bowman said in her interview, listen, he was America's favorite dad. I went into this thinking he was going to be my dad.
Starting point is 01:52:58 To wake up half dressed and raped by the man that said he was going to love me like a father? That's pretty sick. It was hard for America to digest when this came out and a lot of backlash and a lot of denial and a lot of anger happened. Damn dude said he was gonna love her like a father then raped her. Bill Cosby sounds a lot like some of the serial killers we've covered. More like them than like the clean comic and lovable wholesome dad he was on tv. The day of the article's publication which again was July 26, 2015,
Starting point is 01:53:26 Spelman College, the historically black women's college that they, him and his wife donated so much money to, 20 million dollars, discontinued their endowment, excuse me, their endowed professorship named after Bill Cosby and returned the remaining funds to Cosby and his wife. Well, the school thankfully wouldn't need his money. Last year they actually got a record hundred million dollar donation from board member and billionaire Rhonda Stryker and her husband William Johnson. September 24, 2015 Marquette Fordham University's revoke Cosby's honorary degrees. Bunch of other lesser-known institutions will follow. More accusers will come forward.
Starting point is 01:54:01 October 9, 2015 Cosby undergoes deposition and Judy Huss lawsuit October 15 2015 Tufts University and Goucher College revoke Cosby's honorary degrees Days later Amherst College rescinds Cosby's honorary doctorate the first time they had done that the school's history which began back in 1821 It's almost 200 years earlier October 21st 2015 Cosby fires longtime lawyer Martin Singer. Things are spiraling for him. Cosby was supposed to undergo deposition in relation to Janiece Dickinson's defamation suit, but in late November of 2015, his attorneys filed a request to put the deposition on hold. December 14th, 2015, Cosby filed a defamation counter suit against seven of his accusers in Massachusetts,
Starting point is 01:54:46 arguing the plaintiffs were making, quote, malicious, opportunistic, and false and defamatory charges. Week later, December 21, Cosby filed a defamation suit against accuser Beverly Johnson. His lawyer said he never drugged the defendant and her story is a lie. He sought compensatory and punitive damages, a retraction of her statements, and the removal from her memoir of the chapter where the allegations are mentioned. And he will get none of that shit. Beverly is stronger than he is. Hail, Lusifena. By late 2015, some 50 women had now come forward with claims against Cosby. And for the first time, he's about to face criminal charges.
Starting point is 01:55:25 December 30, 2015, a warrant is issued for Cosby's arrest. For the alleged drugging and sexual assault of Andrea Constan in January of 2004, the warrant was issued a month before the statute of limitations was set to expire. Cosby was charged with aggravated indecent assault without consent, aggravated indecent assault while the victim was unconscious or unaware that penetration occurred, and aggravated indecent assault without consent, aggravated indecent assault while the victim was unconscious or unaware that penetration occurred, and aggravated indecent assault in which a suspect impairs complainant. Montgomery County DA Kevin Steele said the case was reopened
Starting point is 01:55:54 after new evidence emerged in July, referring to documents from Cosby's deposition. Unfortunately, that same deposition evidence will later free Cosby. But first let's hear about how he does end up in prison. One of the most important factors was Cosby's conflicting identifications of the drug he gave Andrea Constant. Constant said he described it as an herbal drug.
Starting point is 01:56:17 Cosby told the police the drug was Benadryl, but he told Constant's mother he couldn't recall what it was. His apologies to Constant's mother and offer of financial support were quote further indicative of Cosby's consciousness of guilt at the court. The complaint stated investigators recognize that individuals who are falsely accused of sexual assault generally do not unilaterally offer generous financial assistance and apologies to their accuser and their accuser's family. The complaint noted that Constance had no romantic interest
Starting point is 01:56:45 in Cosby, yeah, she's not even interested in any dudes, and never thought he would hit on her quote, quote, excuse me, and never thought he would hit on her quote, especially since Cosby is much older than her father. On the night she was drugged, she told him she felt drained and emotionally occupied. He urged her to take the pills.
Starting point is 01:57:05 She soon experienced blurred vision, difficulty speaking, nausea and dizziness. She woke up at 4 a.m. with her sweater bunched up and her bra undone. February 2nd, 2016, former Montgomery County DA Bruce Castor testified that he did not file charges against Cosby in 2005 because he did not think Constance's allegations would stand up in court. Following day, February 3rd, a judge ruled Cosby's case should go forward, or could go forward, and declined to remove D.A. Steele from the case. February 22nd, 2016, Camille Cosby gives 2.5 hours of testimony in a deposition for a lawsuit
Starting point is 01:57:37 filed by seven different accusers in Massachusetts. February 25th, Cosby drops his lawsuit against accuser Beverly Johnson because he never had a fucking chance to win that. May 24th, a judge concludes that there was sufficient evidence for Cosby to stand trial on charges of sexual assault. Cosby defends, tried to undermine Constance's credibility, pointing out that she accepted tickets to a Cosby performance after the assault, even though she initially told the police she didn't have contact with him afterwards. assault even though she initially told the police she didn't have contact with him afterwards. Constance would not testify at this hearing. The prosecution mostly relied on Cosby's statements in his 2005 deposition. The defense argued
Starting point is 01:58:12 that Cosby's deposition should not be used against him and accused the prosecution of being politically motivated. During the election between DA Kevin Steele and former DA Bruce Castor one key issue was Castor's decision not to prosecute Cosby in 2005. of constant and Cosby statements were red in court constant stated that Cosby handed her three pills told her to down them he said quote these will make you feel good the blue things will take the edge off he offered a wine constant tried to refuse because she hadn't eaten all day but Cosby insisted quote you can nurse it soon her vision became blurry
Starting point is 01:58:44 her legs wobbly she was in and out of consciousness Cosby told, quote, you can nurse it. Soon her vision became blurry, her legs wobbly. She was in and out of consciousness. Cosby told her to lie down and then began touching her. She said she was aware she was being fondled and digitally penetrated. So he's putting his fingers in her vagina. She couldn't speak and felt paralyzed. Cosby told Constance's mother
Starting point is 01:58:59 there was quote, no penile penetration. It's a fucking weird thing to say to her mom. He specifically said, I never intended to have sexual intercourse He said they were kissing and petting while fully clothed and he enjoyed it July 18th 2016 a source close to Cosby told the New York Post page 6 the Cosby was legally blind due to due to a degenerative eye condition known as Cara took host. Oh my gosh... caratoconus which causes the cornea to bulge. You gotta come up with fucking better names for some of these
Starting point is 01:59:31 diseases. Why are we still using Latin? Called caratoconosis. Okay? Or you just... I don't know what would be better. Maybe just come up with a funny name. I don't know. Degenerative eye condition called wonky eye. No, it's probably not good. Cosby's blindness will become a key issue during his pre-trial arguments. Cosby had by this point severe glaucoma in both eyes, was almost totally blind in his right eye. Those who knew him said he had suffered from gradual decline in vision for years. His lawyers argued that his condition hampered his defense. In later court filings they wrote that he suffers from a degenerative eye condition and cannot write, read, draw, or drive. Who gives a shit?
Starting point is 02:00:10 Good! It'll make it harder for him to keep fucking raping. Hopefully he's impotent too. In a motion for dismissal, his lawyers wrote, without his eyesight, Mr. Cosby cannot even determine whether he has even seen some of his accusers, let alone develop defenses and gather exculpatory evidence. Well, you know what? Just let him go then. Just let him be free. Once you're blind, you can't be charged with a crime. Everyone knows that. September 9th, 2016, the Associated Press reports that Cosby's lawyers cited racism for the first time.
Starting point is 02:00:39 Fuck out of here. Their statement said, quote, Mr. Cosby is no stranger to discrimination and racial hatred. When the media repeats her accusations with no evidence, no trial, no jury, we are moved backwards as a country and away from America and away from the America that our civil rights leaders sacrificed so much to create. Jesus Christ, they're dramatic. Listen, if we fucking believe her, we might as well have slavery again, everybody. Okay? That's what's fucking happening here. What are you talking about? April 26th, 2017, Evan Cosby issued a statement defending her father saying,
Starting point is 02:01:12 I know that my father loves me, loves my sisters and my mother. He loves and respects women. He's not abusive, violent or a rapist. Well, you know what? Forget everything I've said. He's innocent. Thank you. Thank you, Evan. If anyone knew what he was sexually up to for all those decades, it would be his daughter, of course. Since obviously, all of us dads disclose all of our sexual wheelings and dealings with our daughters. Standard fathering. If you ever need to know anything about my sexual past, right? Just contact my daughter in row. She's got charts, spreadsheets, testimonials, diagrams, sculptures for some reason, rows of
Starting point is 02:01:52 file cabinets. No, don't do that. It's disgusting. May 16, 2017, Cosby did his first interview in two years with Sirius XM radio, where he said he would not testify and suggested racism was partially responsible for the allegations against him. Host Michael, oh my gosh, this guy's name is fun. Michael Smirconish. Mr. Smirconish. Host Michael Smirconish read a statement from his daughter, Bill's daughter Enza, which said racism has played a big role in all aspects of this scandal. Totally.
Starting point is 02:02:24 Yeah, bringing Cosby down in 2017 makes so much sense, right? Which said racism has played a big role in all aspects of this scandal. Totally. Yeah, bringing Cosby down in 2017 makes so much sense, right? I mean, why bring him down in the 70s or 80s? When society was so much more racist and he was so much more wealthy and popular, right? That would be too obvious. No, no, no. It's better to wait. Wait until his career is washed up and he's fucking old and almost blind. That's when you strike. career is washed up and he's fucking old and almost blind. That's that's when you strike. When asked if he agreed, Cosby said could be could be.
Starting point is 02:02:52 I can't say anything, but there are certain things I look at and I apply that to the situation and there are so many tentacles. So many different nefarious is a great word. I just truly believe that some of it may very well be that. Did he just say tentacles? Oh my God. Is this part of last week's Octopus slash October conspiracy? Maybe. May 16, 2017.
Starting point is 02:03:20 Manhattan, New York City. Bill Cosby, America's dad, references Danny Casolero's octopus conspiracy. And who happens to be listening? None other than former Santa Fe, New Mexico, lucky pantry manager Todd Weaver, a man declared dead back in the summer of 1993. Who told law enforcement to announce that he had been murdered? Why were they searching for Roger Gonzalez if he didn't in fact kill anyone, or incorrectly pricing some handshakes?
Starting point is 02:03:52 And where was Daniel Neal Cummins in 1993, father of podcaster Daniel Bren Cummins? How does he tie into all of this? How are the tentacles all connected to the voice of Fat Albert? Bill, never drink what he hands you, Cosby. Join me. Perhaps you hold the crucial clue that will solve tonight's Unsolved Mystery. God, I love Robert Stack so much.
Starting point is 02:04:23 Oh, so good, so good. So good. Sorry if that was confusing for those of you who skipped last week. Anyway, the satellite radio show host pointed out that some of Cosme's accusers were black women and wondered how that would play into a racist takedown. Cosme responded, quote, let me put it to you this way. When you look at the power structure, when you look at individuals, there are some people who can very well be motivated by whether or not they're going to work.
Starting point is 02:04:51 Or whether or not they might be able to get back at someone. So if it's in terms of whatever the choice is, I think that you can also examine individuals and situations and they will come out differently. So it's not all, not every, but I do think that there's some. Okay, yeah, no that totally, that really explained, you know, concisely why those women would help take Cosby down. Thanks for clearing all that up, Jr. May 25th, 2017, jury selection comes to a close in Cosby's sexual assault trial. The proceedings had officially started back on June 5th. Cosby's sexual assault trial. The proceedings had officially started back on June 5th.
Starting point is 02:05:24 44-year-old Andrea Constan gave her testimony on June 6th. At the time, Constan was working as a massage therapist back in Toronto, where she's from. She described how she met Cosby through a mutual friend while running operations for Temple Women's Basketball back in 2002. She said, he was a Temple friend, somebody I trusted, a mentor,
Starting point is 02:05:42 somewhat of an older figure to me. Cosby started off calling her on her university-issued cell. They discussed some possible renovations to the team's facilities. Cosby then asked her about her personal life, began mentoring her for a sports broadcasting career. He introduced her to influential people in the restaurant industry, the university community, even a TV writer, an agent in New York, and he partially paid for those trips. She showed her thankfulness, her appreciation by calling Cosby to thank him, you know, talking to him, giving him small gifts such as bath salts, temple university apparel, she said. Also said that some things did stand out to her as red flags, like how Cosby once invited her to a show in Connecticut, asked her to go to his room to share, quote, baked goods together.
Starting point is 02:06:27 He laid on the bed, brushed his knee against her leg, invited her to his mansion for dinners where she would eat alone with Cosby occasionally popping in to check on her. That's fucking weird. Come to my house for dinner and then just have like your butler give the person dinner and then just kind of wander around the house. and then just have like your butler give the person dinner and then just kind of wander around the house. Constance's testimony then shifted to the night she was assaulted in January 2004. When she said Cosby gave her three blue pills after another dinner. She asked if they were natural slash herbal. They'd previously discussed herbal supplements when talking about basketball. Cosby said quote put them down your throat they're your friends they'll take the edge off. She asked if she needed to take all three. He nodded and she took them because she trusted him.
Starting point is 02:07:07 Constance testified that soon after swallowing the pills, quote, I began slurring my words. I told Mr. Cosby I had trouble seeing him, that I could see two of him. My mouth was very cottony. He led her to the couch, helped her lie down. He gave her a pillow to support her head and she lost consciousness. She wasn't sure how long she was out, but she woke up when, quote, I felt Mr. Cosby's hands groping my breasts under my shirt. I also felt his hand inside my vagina moving in and out. I felt him take my hand and place it on his penis and move it back and forth. When the prosecutor asked why she didn't stop him, she testified, I wasn't able to.
Starting point is 02:07:37 Constance was asked why she didn't push him away and said, in my head, I was trying to get my hands to move or my legs to move, but I was frozen and those messages didn't get there. She said she retreated into her own mind and wanted to go home. Finally, around 5 a.m., she felt strong enough to move. Cosby was waiting for her in the kitchen, offered her a muffin and tea. Ah, what a fucking gentleman. She took a few bites, a few sips of tea, and then she left. Prosecution asked Constance why she maintained contact with Cosby after the assault, and she testified she was worried about losing her job, and only did so
Starting point is 02:08:08 because he called about temple business. When asked why she waited a full year to come forward, Constance testified, if I went to the police, I thought Mr. Cosby would retaliate and try to hurt me. What had happened to me, it was overwhelming. The defense brought up the fact that she was alone in a room with a married man, referring to the trip to Connecticut. They also pointed out inconsistencies between her testimony in the police report. Earlier, during direct examination, Constance said her accounts didn't always line up because, I was just really confused. I had a lot going through my mind. One of several prosecution witnesses was Kelly Johnson, who claimed Cosby drugged and sexually assaulted her at an LA hotel in 1996. She said she first met Cosby in 1990
Starting point is 02:08:46 while working as an assistant to his agent. They were friends. He occasionally would call her. In late 1995 or early 1996, he invited her to go have a meal at the Bel Air Hotel to discuss her career. But then at the last minute, he changed the location of the meeting to a private bungalow. It was clear that the prosecution is now using her testimony right to show this pattern of behavior. She said Cosby, quote, intimidated her into taking a pill to help her relax and that she then woke up on the bed with her breasts exposed. Cosby was standing by the side of the bed and she said, quote, I could see a bottle of lotion on the corner of the nightstand. He put lotion in my hand and he made me touch his penis. Constance, her mother, accuser Kelly Johnson and others also testified for the prosecution. The defense only called one witness, a detective who testified for
Starting point is 02:09:29 only six minutes. In closing, DA Kevin Steele described Cosby as a sexual predator who tried to recast the sexual assault as being consensual and romantic. The defense used their closing argument to highlight Andrea Constance's inconsistencies. And then on June 13th, 2017, as Bill departed court following the second day of jury deliberations in his sexual assault trial, he randomly decided to let loose a, hey, hey, hey! It's very fucking weird. Oh, so so funny. Oh so good. That really holds up That's so weird June 17 2017 the case ended in a mistrial after six days of deliberation
Starting point is 02:10:25 But then DA Kevin Steele announced the state intended to retry Cosby Cosby spokesperson Andrew spokesperson Andrew Wyatt told the press, Mr. Cosby's power is back. It's back. It has been restored. But then two of Cosby's defense attorneys withdrew from the case in August of 2017. Later that month he introduced his new legal team via Twitter. One of the attorneys was Thomas Mezuru who in 2005 defended another very innocent man Who had wild and unfounded racially motivated accusations thrown against him st. Michael Jackson He's a saint now, right? Isn't he? I think I feel like I heard that wasn't he wasn't he made a saint recently St. Michael Jackson
Starting point is 02:11:00 patron patron saint of child actors a patron patron saint of white children with black but also kind of bleached fathers I can't remember exactly what st. Michael Jackson is a patron of pedophiles maybe the patron saint of pedophiles I can't remember Cosby's team also included Kathleen Bliss who spent 22 years as a federal prosecutor in Oklahoma DC New MexicoC., New Mexico, Nevada, and Philly attorney Samuel Silver. In January of 2018, while awaiting his retrial, Cosby got on stage at the La Rose Jazz Club
Starting point is 02:11:31 in Philly for his first public performance since May of 2015. Part of a program honoring jazz musician Tony Williams. I believe it was his last stand-up performance as I record this. He declined to talk about the sexual assault case afterwards. I've seen clips Doesn't seem like he's blind Maybe legally blind but not blind blind I wish I knew exactly what jokes he told but the clips I found just to have like interviews and like little like a
Starting point is 02:11:54 Montage, but you can't actually hear a bit I'd be great if he's still doing fat Albert all these years later January 26 Cosby defense filed a motion to dismiss accusing prosecutors of withholding destroying evidence that could have helped their case. They claimed prosecutors had only recently made them aware of an interview with Marguerite Jackson, an alleged witness who would say that Andrea Constand told her she was not sexually assaulted, but could claim she was to get money. And that, if true, is obviously troubling. Defense alleged that the prosecution destroyed notes from this interview. February 1, 2018, the University of Pennsylvania revokes honorary
Starting point is 02:12:31 degrees bestowed upon Bill Cosby and also upon Las Vegas casino mogul Steve Wynn, who was accused of sexual misconduct. Cosby's retrial started April 2, 2018. April 9, the day testimony began, a topless protester charged at Cosby as he arrived at court. She was later identified as 39-year-old Nicole Rochelle, often credited as Nicole Leach. And she had appeared in four episodes of the Cosby show between 1990 and 1992.
Starting point is 02:12:59 She would go on to become an Ivy League graduate at Brown University with a degree in Linguistic Anthropology. So she's fucking smart. Cosby spokesperson Andrew Wyatt told ABC he was guiding Cosby along their regular path of the courthouse when she stood up on the railing, ripped off a black leather jacket, jumped in front of Cosby and yelled, Look at me, he raped me. She also screamed the comedian's famed fat Albert catchphrase of hey, hey, hey, and then added women's lives matter.
Starting point is 02:13:24 It's pretty good. She later said that Cosby did not rape her that she was just so fucking angry at him. She felt so betrayed by him and was so sad for his victims she wanted to raise more awareness for them. She added regarding why she believes his accusers quote, for me it was a matter of a numbers game. For me it was very logical to believe the victims. Doing the research it's only five to ten percent of rape victims that ever lie. How is that possible that all the women are lying? It actually is impossible. When I looked into her protest, an article about her on ABC added more stats about accusers that I thought I should share here. The Making a Difference Project, a study undertaken by the Organization and Violence Against Women International, looked at 2,059 cases in the US and Canada back in 2009 and found only 7% could be
Starting point is 02:14:10 classified as false. Right? And these are cases of rape accusations. So that's a good reason to take accusations seriously. Like yeah, some are bullshit. And the people who falsely accuse others, man they're a special kind of scumbag whose actions sadly cast doubt on the accusations of many real victims. The overwhelming majority of accusations are in fact credible, statistically. In court the prosecution revealed for the first time that Cosby paid Andrea Constan 3.4 million as part of her 2006 settlement. So you know what's fucking good for her? Cosby agreed to disclose the settlement
Starting point is 02:14:45 amount during pre-trial discussions. The defense was expected to argue that the payment was not an admission of wrongdoing on Cosby's part, but evidence of Constan's financial incentive in pursuing charges. District Attorney Kevin Steele spent most of his opening statement addressing anticipated defense attacks on Constan. He emphasized she did not come to his office to report the allegations. He said investigators went to her after the deposition was unsealed in 2015 and they asked if she was willing to help them.
Starting point is 02:15:13 He also brought up Constan's inconsistency saying, you're gonna hear her describe to the best of her ability what happened. When I say to the best of her ability, make sure you consider those pills and the glass of wine because then he helped her to a sofa. She's unconscious, she's jolted, and she's being violated. He also reminded the jury that the case was the State versus Cosby, not the case of Constance versus Cosby.
Starting point is 02:15:36 The defense told the jury they would hear testimony from Temple University academic advisor Marguerite Jackson, who said Constance once told her she could make money by falsely accusing she was assaulted by a prominent person. That troubling testimony. But Jackson was not allowed to testify at the first trial after Constance testified. She did not know her. However, the defense presented two former temple colleagues now who said the women did know of each other. And that is weird. But again, this isn't just her versus Cosby. Now, this is a lot of women versus Cosby. The judge allowed the prosecutors to present accounts from five women who claimed Cosby tried to intoxicate them as part of a plan to sexually abuse them.
Starting point is 02:16:14 Prosecution argued that similar accusations demonstrated a pattern of assault. On April 12, 2018, Cosby accuser Janiece Dickinson testified he assaulted her, right, in that Lake Tahoe hotel room in 1982 we heard about. She told the jury the same story that was detailed earlier in our timeline, adding, Here was America's dad on top of me, a happily married man with five children on top of me. The defense read a passage from Dickinson's 2002 memoir where she wrote that she never entered Cosby's room that night and took two Quaaludes alone in her room. She testified she was advised by her publishers to leave out the assault for legal reasons. Dickinson publisher Judith Reagan would confirm
Starting point is 02:16:49 that there were discussions about putting the rape accusation in the book. Another accuser who testified at trial, excuse me, was Janiece Baker Kinney, who said Cosby drugged and sexually assaulted her in Reno in 1982 when she was a 24-year- old bartender. Lisa Latte-Lublin, whom we met earlier in the timeline, testified Cosby drugged her in a Las Vegas hotel room in 1989 during a supposed acting lesson. That's his fucking gig. Their accuser, Chalan Lasha, testified that Cosby invited her to his Las Vegas suite in 1986 when she was only 17 to help with her modeling career. Such a mentor. And then he gave her a pill and alcohol and then
Starting point is 02:17:28 he then Cosbeat her. And that should be a synonym for for Rufy to sexually assault now, right? Cosbeat. The jury then heard Marguerite Jackson's testimony April 18th 2018. Jackson testified that Andrea Constan made a comment about how easy it would be to frame a celebrity for sexual assault and get money. She said that occurred in February of 2004 when they were watching TV in a shared hotel room on a Temple Women's basketball team trip to Rhode Island. They saw a clip on TV about a different celebrity accused of sexual assault and Constan allegedly
Starting point is 02:18:00 told Jackson that she had been sexually assaulted by a celebrity, but then changed her story and said no it didn't happen. According to Jackson she said no it didn't. I could say it did. I could quit my job. I could get that money. Constance would testify at the retrial that Jackson's name sounded familiar but she always roomed alone on trips. She didn't share her hotel room and that would be fucking weird. Jackson testified that she shared a room with Constance for away games two or three times. So who's telling the truth here? Jackson said she remembered her conversation with Constance in 2005 after allegation against Cosby Surfaced. Said she came forward in 2016 after Cosby was charged.
Starting point is 02:18:34 Said she had met a comedian on a cruise ship who put her in touch with Cosby's reps. And that is a little weird to me just knowing how the comedy business works. Not to disparage cruise ship comics, but amongst comics, it is considered the lowest form of standup. Like, like if you're like, if you're doing a cruise ship, it's, it's not because your career is on fire. If you're doing like a special event on a cruise ship, like if it's your cruise or some special like themed thing for, you know, uh, I don't know, some bunch of metal bands,
Starting point is 02:19:07 and you get to be the comic with the metal bands, or if it's like, you know, huge podcasts, it's having a big, you know, cruise ship and you're a special performer, that is different. But if you're just like randomly on the Royal Caribbean doing their comedy, it's generally because you're not able to get booked in clubs because you're not selling tickets etc. So the fact that somebody working in that space would know Cosby's reps is I think highly unlikely but that's just my two cents. The prosecution asked her why she took so long to come forward produced University expense records showing that Jackson did not submit claims for reimbursement especially with the travel with the team in 2004 but did in 2003 she said she
Starting point is 02:19:44 didn't remember filing any expenses. Closing arguments are made April 24th, 2018. Cosby Defense describes the Me Too movement as a mob mentality. Yikes. Primarily based on emotion and anger. Yeah, jumped the shark there in a couple cases, but overall, yeah, a lot of the right fucking people got taken down. Defense attorney Kathleen Bliss said, yes, we do have to deal with sexual assault. We do. It's a worldwide problem but questioning an accuser is not shaming a victim. Okay yeah fair. Gut feelings are not rational decisions. Mob rule is not due process.
Starting point is 02:20:17 And just as we have had horrible horrible crimes in our history, we've also had horrible horrible periods of time where emotion and hatred and fear overwhelmed us. Witch hunts, lynchings, McCarthyism. Alright, fair points. Bliss also said the additional accusers were fabricating stories for attention, money, or fame. She said accuser Janiece Dickinson sounded as though she slept with every man on the planet. That's a fucking weird and unnecessary bit of slut-shaming. Do accusers sometimes lie? They do. Do over 50 accusers lie about the same man? Highly unlikely.
Starting point is 02:20:48 Again, just think of the stats I mentioned earlier. Highly fucking unlikely. The defense portrayed Andrea Constan as a con artist with financial problems who was seeking to pay out. They pointed out inconsistencies in her statements. At one point, Constan said the assault took place in March 2004. Then she changed it to January 2004. Phone records show she stayed in touch with Cosby after the assault. Travel itineraries, flight schedules showed Cosby did not stay in his Philadelphia home during the period in which Constance said
Starting point is 02:21:12 the assault occurred on one occasion. Was she lying? Well, the jury wouldn't think so. April 26, 2018, Bill Cosby is found guilty. Three counts of aggravated indecent assault on the second day of deliberations. After the verdict, the DA asked that Cosby's one million dollar bail be revoked because he's convicted of a serious crime and owned a plane meaning he could flee and then Cosby shouted at
Starting point is 02:21:33 this point, he doesn't have a plane you asshole. What? Cosby is swearing? Who is he? After the verdict Cosby's name and statue were removed from the Television Academy's Hall of Fame and he was expelled from the Academy of Motion Pictures of Arts and Sciences. May 3rd his wife Camille Cosby issued a statement. She believed quote, an innocent person has been found guilty based on an unthinking unquestioning unconstitutional frenzy propagated by the media and allowed to play out in a supposed court of law. This is mob justice not real justice. She said that unproven accusations evolved into lynch mobs. And then she compared, and this is why I really don't like her. She compared her husband's case to the murder of Emmett Till.
Starting point is 02:22:14 That's so fucked up. We covered the lynching of Emmett Till here on Time Suck. Such a deeply tragic story. A young boy, just 14 years old, so young, brutally is kidnapped from his mother's uncle's home, tortured and savagely mutilated and finally murdered by a group of racist grown ass men. He died in pain and terror,
Starting point is 02:22:38 all because those men thought he maybe had essentially sassed or backtalked a white woman, which she didn't. She would later admit to lying about her interaction with him. Evoking his name with Cosby's rape conviction? Fucking outrageous. She should be ashamed of herself for trying to diminish the pain so many African-Americans actually went through, died from for decades and decades, centuries of American history. Yeah that quote is what made me despise her. Well, I mean that and her refusing to believe just any of the, you know, accusers to even entertain that there might be something there, you know, about her accusations
Starting point is 02:23:13 about her husband that she knew was perpetually unfaithful. I just find her to be a very pathetic figure. She also called for an investigation into the DA's office saying, quote, this is a homogenous group of exploitive and corrupt people whose primary purpose is to advance themselves professionally and economically at the expense of mr. Cosby's life if they can do this to mr. Cosby they can do it to anyone yeah I mean technically true but but they weren't doing it to anyone you know there's plenty of wealthy successful famous black men in America who've never been accused of any of this shit not ever ever. June 15 2018, Cosby fired all
Starting point is 02:23:46 seven of the attorneys on his legal team months ahead of his sentencing, replaced them with Pennsylvania attorney Joseph P. Green Jr. September 17 2018, Camille goes to the Philippines, excuse me, I can't speak, goes to the Pennsylvania State Capitol to file a complaint against a judge in her husband's case calling him arrogant, corrupt, and unethical. They don't care. September 25th, 2018, Bill Cosby ascends to three to ten years in prison and is designated a sexually violent predator. Hail Nimrah. Pennsylvania defines a sexually violent predator as someone with quote a mental abnormality or personality disorder
Starting point is 02:24:20 that makes the person likely to engage in predatory sexually violent offenses. Cosby was required to register as a sex defender for the rest of his life and disorder that makes the person likely to engage in predatory sexually violent offenses. Cosby was required to register as a sex offender for the rest of his life and subject to the most stringent requirements a sex offender can incur. The judge told him quote, It is time for justice, Mr. Cosby. This is all circled back to you. The time has come. The hearing started off with testimony from Dr. Kirsten Dudley, a psychiatrist, author of a report issued in August 2018 by the Pennsylvania Sexual Offenders Assessment Board recommending that Cosby be designated as a sexually violent predator. The defense argued the state's designation process was unconstitutional because it's too punitive, which was an issue pending before the state's Supreme Court. The judge ruled that until the
Starting point is 02:24:59 issue was resolved, the action was constitutional. Dudley testified that one of the factors the board considered in reaching its conclusion was fear that Cosby would reoffend, yeah would offend again. Andrea Constan gave a two-minute statement asking for justice as the court sees fit. Constan also sent a written statement to the judge which was released after sentencing. She wrote, Bill Cosby took my beautiful healthy young spirit and crushed it. He robbed me of my health and vitality, my open nature, and my trust in myself and others." Cosby declined to make a statement at his sentencing. Nine months later, Cosby filed an appeal on June 15, 2019, arguing it was improper for the judge to permit the testimony from the five additional accusers. Later that year, Cosby
Starting point is 02:25:40 made headlines for agreeing to his first interview from prison where he said he would rather serve the full ten years than show remorse for crimes he didn't commit. July 25th 2019 Janiece Dickinson announces at a press conference that she had settled with Bill Cosby's insurance company for quote an epic figure. Now what? Fucking good for her. Oral arguments for Cosby's oral arguments for Cosby's appeal were made before the Pennsylvania Superior Court August 12, 2019. December 10, a three panel judge unanimously rejected Cosby's appeal. I guess it'd be a three judge panel. But then on June 23, 2020, the Supreme Court of Pennsylvania agreed to hear two points
Starting point is 02:26:18 of Cosby's appeal. The state Supreme Court heard the case December 1, 2020. Six months later, June 30, 2021, Bill Cosby released from prison after the Pennsylvania Supreme Court overturned his conviction. Fuck! Cosby was photographed walking out of the state correctional institution, Phoenix, state correctional institution, Phoenix is called, in Montgomery County.
Starting point is 02:26:39 Cosby flashed a peace sign as he walked into his home. Cosby spokesman Andrew Wyatt said, What we saw today was justice, justice for all Americans. Was it? Cosby didn't speak to reporters, but released a statement via Twitter saying, I have never changed my stance nor my story. I've always maintained my innocence.
Starting point is 02:26:55 Thank you to all my fans, supporters and friends who stood by me through this ordeal. Special thanks to the Pennsylvania Supreme Court for upholding the rule of law. Andrea Constant and her lawyers issued a statement saying, today's majority decision regarding Bill Cosby is not only disappointing but of concern and that it may discourage those who seek justice for sexual assault in the criminal justice system from reporting or participating in the prosecution of the assailant or may force a victim to choose between filing either a criminal or civil action.
Starting point is 02:27:23 So does this case being overturned mean he might be innocent? I don't think so because he got off on a technicality. In the ruling the Pennsylvania Supreme Court concluded that Cosby should have never been prosecuted because of a deal with former prosecutor Bruce Castor who agreed not to criminally prosecute Cosby if he gave a deposition in a civil case brought against him by Constance. During that deposition, Cosby made incriminating statements that we've already heard, admitting he drugged women he slept with, that Kevin R. Steele used to charge him. According to the decision, "...the discretion vested in our Commonwealth's prosecutors, however vast,
Starting point is 02:27:57 does not mean that its exercise is free of the constraints of due process." DA Kevin Steele argued that he was not bound by that agreement with his predecessor, but the court concluded, quote, when an unconditional charging decision is made publicly and with the intent to induce action and reliance by the defendant, and when the defendant does so to his detriment, and in some instances upon the advice of counsel, denying the defendant the benefit of that decision is an affront to fundamental fairness particularly when it results in a criminal prosecution that was foregone for more than a decade and I do agree with that right if you if you make a deal they shouldn't be able
Starting point is 02:28:33 to backtrack on the deal but also to me this just shows yeah he's not freed because he didn't do it he's freed because he was already in a sense punished for admitting that he did do fucking shady shit. During a hearing after Cosby's 2015 arrest, former DA Bruce Castor testified he promised Cosby he wouldn't be prosecuted in hopes he would testify in a civil case, which allowed Constance to win damages. That was only put in writing in his 2005 statement announcing his decision not to prosecute.
Starting point is 02:29:02 His decision was meant to shield Cosby from prosecution quote for all time, but during appeal arguments, DA Kevin Steele noted that Castro went on to say in that statement that he could revisit the decision in the future if he wanted to. In the end, the court called Cosby the victim of an unconstitutional coercive bait and switch. And as much as I hate to say it, that's the right decision. Cosby believed he had immunity when he testified during four days of depositions. As a practical matter, the moment that Cosby would charge criminally, he was harmed. All that he had forfeited earlier and the consequences of that forfeiture in the civil case were for naught.
Starting point is 02:29:36 Cosby now cannot be retried on criminal charges for this one victim's assault. September 7th, 2021 now, Time magazine publishes an essay by Andrea Constant about her reaction to the appeal. And in it she wrote, In deciding their verdict, the jurors have given me the gift of seeing justice delivered. In sharing their feelings with me in person, they were giving me an even greater gift. Once the sentencing was behind me, I knew that I had to turn my focus inward. For years, I'd worked hard to keep myself emotionally and spiritually afloat, but I was treading water all the time. Even my most strenuous efforts simply prevented me from sinking. When my civil suit concluded, I had tried to put Cosby in the past behind me. I had tried to forget all about it. Now I know that
Starting point is 02:30:17 wasn't the way to become the person I was meant to be. Moving forward meant putting the pain behind me, but embracing and building on all the good that had come out of my experience. Yet I've certainly learned about my strengths and my own character. I've developed a greater capacity for compassion and forgiveness. I've learned that when faced with difficult decisions in life, it's important to do the right thing no matter how frightening. It's in uncomfortable moments that true growth happens. If we don't walk through storms, we will never escape them. We will never heal. Perhaps most importantly, I now know that peace and comfort never come from an external event like a trial or a verdict. If we want to heal ourselves, we must look inside.
Starting point is 02:30:52 On June 30th, 2021, she received a call from a representative of the Montgomery County DA's office who informed her the Supreme Court was about to announce its decision regarding Cosby's appeal. She received another call from the DA's office informing her the Supreme Court vacated the conviction. Before she had time to process what had just happened, the phone calls came flooding in. Although she was sad, disappointed by the decision, she said she's still determined to have a happy and
Starting point is 02:31:14 successful life and encourages survivors to come forward and share their stories and seek justice. So did Cosby's overturned conviction now put his alleged past sins behind him? No, fuck no. Almost a year later, June 21st, 2022, a California jury decides Bill Cosby did sexually assault Judy Huth in 1975 when she was 16. Sorry, her testimony changed a little bit. I said earlier 1974, 15, 1975, 16. It was a long time ago. She's trying to remember exactly what happened.
Starting point is 02:31:42 There are pictures of her with him at the Playboy Mansion when she was a teen. Anyway, she was awarded half a million dollars in damages. Judy Hutz and her friend Donna Samuelson testified that in 1975, they met Cosby on a film set in a park near their homes. It was during the filming of Let's Do It Again. On the day in question, Cosby first invited them to his tennis club, then the house where he was staying, where they played a drinking game. Fucking creepy.
Starting point is 02:32:04 Then asked to follow him in their car. club, then the house where he was staying, where they played a drinking game, fucking creepy. Then asked to follow him in their car. He asked them to follow him in their car to the Playboy Mansion, indicating there was a surprise there for them. And there was a surprise. Evil little Bill. Lawyers showed the jury a photo of Huss and Cosby in the game room at the mansion. When he's a fucking, when she's a teenager and he's so much older this photo was taken by Dona Samuelson. Huth claimed Huth claimed I can't speak all of a sudden just 15 minutes before she was photographed Cosby had molested her. She said Cosby first put his hands on Samuelson's shoulders, but she squirmed away. Huth asked to use the bathroom when she came out Cosby was sitting on a bed in a joining bedroom. He patted the seat next to him. After she sat down he tried to lean her back and kiss her, put his hands under her belly button,
Starting point is 02:32:47 which I mentioned earlier. She told him she was on her period. And then, quote, you know, he pulled his sweats down, grabbed his hand, my hand, put it over his hand, closed it, forced her to perform a sexual act. In a video deposition from 2015, Cosby denied having any sexual contact with Huth, claimed he didn't know her, and could not recall ever taking her to the Playboy Mansion. His defense pointed out that Huth's recollection changed. She initially said it happened in 1974, which I mentioned.
Starting point is 02:33:12 More recently, he concluded it happened in 1975, but who fucking cares because she had photos. At least, a photo. Late December 2022, it is revealed that Cosby was planning to tour, do some standup dates in 2023, spoke to a DJ on Ohio's WGH talk radio and answered yes when asked if he planned a tour outing because there's so much fun to be had in this storytelling that I do. Tour never happened though.
Starting point is 02:33:35 I cannot find information about shows in 2023 or 2024. And his website doesn't appear to have been updated since 2017. Also in December of 2022 five more women file a civil suit in New York City or New York claiming Cosby sexually abused or assaulted them. A little over a year later in January of 2024 Los Angeles based woman 52 year old Chelan Lasha Chelan Chelan Chelan I'm not sure CHELAN. We met her a few years back in the timeline She filed a lawsuit against Cosby claiming he sexually assaulted her in the Las Vegas Hilton's Elvis Presley suite when she was a teenager 17 in 1986 Lasha's lawsuit states that she first met Cosby when she was just 15 when Cosby worked for a company where her stepmom worked
Starting point is 02:34:21 He saw a photo of Lasha on her stepmom's desk and thought, oh she looks fucking hot, essentially. She said she took a blue capsule that Cosby gave her because she trusted Cosby and thought he was a good man and she never imagined he was going to drug her and sexually assault her. September of 2024, a Nevada court denies Cosby's request to have the cases of 10 different alleged sexual assault victims be thrown out. In 2023, Nevada adopted State Bill 129, the Justice for Victims of Crime Bill, which lifted the civil statute of limitations for adult sexual assault survivors. And immediately following this law being passed, the group of 10 women sued Cosby for sexual assault, battery, assault, intentional infliction of emotional distress, negligent infliction of emotional distress, and false imprisonment.
Starting point is 02:35:04 Cosby argued that one woman's allegation against him did not meet the legal definition of sexual assault and was therefore not within the scope of SB 129. Specifically Cosby said that forced masturbation as alleged by some of the plaintiffs was not sexual assault. What? Because it did not include penetration of victim genitals. I love his fucking mentality. Come on! Are you telling me it's illegal to force someone to jerk you off? Fucking seriously? How am I supposed to know that? If I would have known that was illegal, I wouldn't have done it so much. The judge, U.S. District Court Gloria Navarro, excuse me, disagreed. It's like, no, that's that's all, buddy buddy Cosby also argued that SP 129 is itself illegal because it punishes those who committed sexual assault
Starting point is 02:35:47 differently from From others who committed other heinous crimes But what the fuck your honor? I barely forced myself on some of these women I just had him jerk me off. I didn't fuck him after drug him. What what this is unfair. Hey Judge Navarro Navar God, disagreed again. Following months, 29 women accusing Cosby of sexual assault tell their stories on an episode of NBC's Dateline. In December of 2024, so recently, just a few weeks ago,
Starting point is 02:36:15 comedian Bill Maher said on his podcast that he never liked Bill Cosby. He was talking to fellow comic and actor, a guest on his show, Paul Reiser, from Mad About You, he said he never thought he was funny, that he had known the man was a sexual predator for four decades. Reiser defended still being able to appreciate Bill's comedy though and complained that people might try to, you know, cancel Mozart someday because he was a prick. Marr stopped him and said, there's pricks
Starting point is 02:36:40 and then there's monsters, Cosby's a monster. Marr then told a story about when he was filming one of his first movie roles in the film DC Cab back in 1983, one year before the Cosby show premiered. And he spoke to a woman who had worked with Cosby on a previous project. This person allegedly told Marr, you know, for the first three weeks he tried to fuck me. And when that wasn't going to happen, he made the rest of my life on that movie a living hell.
Starting point is 02:37:03 Marr then said, I always fucking hated him since and the bad news that came out later maybe wasn't so shocking to me. And then finally earlier this month it was announced that Cosby was being sued for defaulting on a 17 and a half million dollar mortgage for his New York City townhouse. Beautiful six story over 12,000 square feet home built in 1899 located at 8 East 71st Street. According to Yahoo, the Cosby's have not made a mortgage payment since June of 2024. They owe over $300,000 in taxes on the house. This latest default follows another allegedly on a $4.2 million loan on a four-story Lennox Hill home in Manhattan they've owned since 1980.
Starting point is 02:37:42 And they've been selling off other properties and assets. It's estimated that since woman after woman began waging lawsuits against Cosby in late 2014, he has spent about a million dollars a month on legal fees. And upwards of, I don't know, I would guess 10 or 20 million dollars to victims losing numerous civil cases. And these expenses have coincided with him losing
Starting point is 02:38:02 nearly all of his income when all of his TV projects were cancelled, his touring dried up, networks began to pull his past shows from syndication, publishers pulled many of his books from being in print, TV Land pulled the Cosby Show reruns from their lineup in November of 2014. The following month, the Aspire network owned by Magic Johnson pulled a show, BET, Bounce TV, both pulled the show in December 2014. It seems like the 87 year old will spend the rest of his life in a legal hell of his own making. And let's get out of here with that.
Starting point is 02:38:38 Good job soldier, you made it back. Barely. You made it back. Barely. Before I share some final thoughts, I apologize. I have an ad from a sponsor that I feel like they've truly lost their way. This is extremely tasteless. But here it goes. extremely tasteless. But here it goes. Today's Time Suck is brought to you by Whipple Chill Bill Cosby Edition
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Starting point is 02:41:08 And I said, just tell me what you want me to say. Uh, so anyway, Bill Cosby. God, what a way to destroy what should have been such an incredible legacy. And you could argue, you know, his only criminal conviction, you know, was, uh, overturned, was vacated. Is he really guilty of anything? criminal conviction, you know, was overturned, was vacated. Is he really guilty of anything? I mean, there was that one woman, Marguerite Jackson, who did say that Andrea Constand was looking to go out after some celebrity in order to get a big payout. I still think he did it.
Starting point is 02:41:37 During the trial, I think I forgot to mention that Marguerite was undermined or excuse me, undermined during cross-examination and she conceded her testimony did differ from previous statements She gave defense attorneys and she actually said that regarding her story and timeline She and one of the comedians lawyers quote kind of created it together So that doesn't look great Right if Bill is as shady and manipulative as he seems would he be above bribing somebody to lie for him? No, he would not And also that whole story about them sharing a hotel room, that doesn't make sense to me.
Starting point is 02:42:10 I just, I fucking highly doubt that Temple University would tell these two grown women that you have to share a hotel room on this travel for the team. What? Also, Bill has now lost numerous civil cases. Cases from women who keep telling different versions of the same fucking story, cases that involve others corroborating important details, and he was only freed from prison because evidence of him admitting to giving women drugs that made them fucking sleepy and then sleeping with them was deemed inadmissible. Right? He should be revered for being a comedy legend.
Starting point is 02:42:40 Instead, he's going to be reviled for being a rapist or, you know, has been. Mr. Spanish Fly, America's dead dad. Man people are so complicated. Bill Cosby fought so hard it seems for black men to be treated equally as white men. But it seems he's never had much respect for women not even black women. He didn't really do shit when his own daughter right came to him alleging that Mike Tyson tried to rape her. He'd cheat on his wife it seems just perpetually for the entirety of the first 50 or so years of their marriage, threw his own fucking daughter
Starting point is 02:43:08 under the bus in at least one interview. The man who claimed he wanted to stand up for his mom as a boy, but was too small to stand up to his dad when he did grow up, never really ended up defending black women, did he? He knew what it was like to be treated less, you know? Less than, based on the color of one's skin, but didn't seem to give a fuck about anyone being treated, you know, less for being born with a vagina. I used to think
Starting point is 02:43:31 when I was younger that those who knew what it felt like to be discriminated against, you know, based on racism, sexism, homophobia, xenophobia, etc. would be less likely to engage in similar behavior themselves. But I have not really found that to be true. You know, I've talked with homosexuals who are transphobic, minorities who are racist towards other minorities, immigrants who are xenophobic or sexist, etc. etc. We're so fucking tribal as a species. So quick to see how others wrong us, but so slow to see how we wrong others. But overall, we're getting better. Right? So that's good. Not every day, not every year, but overall if you zoom out a decade or two, you know, tracking the evolution of human tolerance is kind of like tracking the stock market I think.
Starting point is 02:44:11 You know, there's years with big highs, years with big lows, but overall, decade to decade, you know, it moves up, it improves. I hope humanity's evolution continues to do that. Someday we are far more empathetic and tolerant than we are now that someday our descendants look back on us, you know, us today and think, what a bunch of dipshits, what a bunch of narrow-minded losers, how could they be so stupid? Why do they worry about that shit? I would love for people to look back at this show and think, nope, that guy sucks. Not smart enough, not tolerant enough, not good enough, fuck him. Seriously, that'd be great, because that would mean that the world has become so much better than it is right now.
Starting point is 02:44:46 So much better that maybe, just maybe, people like Bill Cosby are a thing of the past. I mean, as a student of history, I have a fucking, I have a hard time imagining that being true, but I hope it's true someday. America needs a much better dad than that motherfucker. Let's head to the takeaways. Hey, hey, hey! Time Shuck Top 5 Takeaways! that motherfucker. Let's head to the takeaways. Hey, hey, hey! Time shock, top five takeaways. Number one, in elementary school, Bill Cosby learned he loved to make his classmates laugh and built his reputation as a class clown. He disliked school, dropped out during his junior year of high school.
Starting point is 02:45:20 While pursuing a higher education, he then decided to drop out of college and pursue a full-time career as a comedian and it worked out pretty well. Number two, Cosby experienced tremendous television success with the 1965 premiere of the show I Spy where he starred alongside a white actor. His fame grew and grew exponentially when he then created and starred in The Cosby Show, a role that secured his reputation as America's dad for many years. Number three, in 1997, Bill Cosby admitted to having an affair with a woman back in the 70s, whose daughter was attempting to extort him. Cosby claimed he was not the father, and the accuser, Autumn Jackson,
Starting point is 02:45:52 later served prison time after she was convicted of extortion, or of attempted extortion. Number four, in January of 2005, Andrea Constand was the first woman to publicly accuse Bill Cosby of sexual assault. A month later, another woman went public with her accusations followed by several more in 2006. Constance filed suit against Cosby and later settled and the allegations did not have much of an impact on Cosby's career at that time. Not until 2014 when a viral clip of comic handle Burris
Starting point is 02:46:20 calling Cosby a rapist led to new allegations and a lot of public scrutiny. Number five, new info. My introduction to Bill Cosby, maybe being kind of an asshole, occurred back in the late 80s when I watched one of my favorite comics growing up, Eddie Murphy, in his 1987 stand-up special Raw, talking about getting lectured by Bill Cosby. Oh, check this out, it holds up. Do you watch the Bill Cosby show? I do too, I love Bill Cosby's show. I've been a big fan of Bill Cosby all my life.
Starting point is 02:46:52 Never met the man before, but he called me up about a year ago and chastised me on the phone for being too dirty on stage. And it was real weird, because I had never met him. And he just started with, he should call me up because he was Bill and tell me that he did about what? Comedy is all about and I sat and listened to this man Chastise me and when Bill Cosby chastised you you forget that you grown you feel like one of the Cosby kids and shit
Starting point is 02:47:13 I ran in a house all excited to talk to Bill and picked up the telephone and Bill got row on me I was like hello, mr. Cosby and you hear I would like Yes, the best impression. About some of the things that you do in your show. So I'm going to jump ahead. You cannot say filth, flarn, filth, flarn, filth in front of people. And I said, I never said no filth, flarn, filth, flarn, filth in front of people. And I said, I never said no filth, flarn, filth. He says, you know what I'm talking about. I can't use the type of language that you use,
Starting point is 02:47:54 but you know what I mean when I say filth, flarn, flarn, flarn, filth. And I said, I never said no filth, flarn, filth, and I don't know what you're talking about. I'm offended that you called, fuck you. And that's when Bill got pissed and said, that's what I'm talking about. You cannot say fuck in front of people. And I got mad because he thought that was my whole act. Like I just walked down on stage and cursed and left.
Starting point is 02:48:28 And I managed to stick in some jokes between the curses. You couldn't give an old curse show or walk out and say, Hey, felt for him, motherfucker, dick pussy snot and shit. Good night. Good night. Suck my dick. Bye bye. I reference, I have referenced that so many times over the years. When people talk about like, you know It's easy to be funny if you're you know, if you just curse Like no it isn't what the fuck you talking about
Starting point is 02:48:51 It's actually I think harder cuz you know, you're Risking offending more people and just like yeah, he said there It's not like he just go out and be like hey motherfucker suck my dick fuck shit fuck shit. Come fuck. It's like now That young Eddie Murphy, maybe the most gifted comic of all time, man He was like smart, his crisp writing, good impressions, anyway. Eddie would talk about Cosby numerous times over the years, saying how jealous he was of Eddie's success, how threatened he was by it, that he wasn't like, you know, lifting other, you know, black men up. He was actually kind of like, fucking keep him down.
Starting point is 02:49:21 And December of 2019. Oh man, while Cosby was in prison for sexual assault, what a fun moment for Eddie Murphy. Eddie truly got the last laugh between the two while hosting Saturday Night Live. During his monologue he said, after talking about his 10 kids and how much he devotes his time to them, Eddie said, quote, if you told me 30 years ago that I'd be this boring stay-at-home house dad and Bill Cosby would be in jail, even I wouldn't have taken that bet. And then after pausing for some applause and laughter, he adds, in that same Cosby impression, I won't even try and attempt, who's America's dad now? Thunderous applause. Well played, Mr. Murphy. Well played. Time Suck Top 5 Takeaways
Starting point is 02:50:00 Bill Cosby, America's Dead has been sucked. Thank you to the Time Suck team. Thanks for helping making Time Suck again. Thanks to Queen of Bad Magic, Lindsey Cummins. Logan Keith helping to publish this episode, designing merch for the store at badmagicproductions.com. Thank you to Olivia Lee for her initial research again. Also, thanks to the All-C and I's moderating the Cult of Curious, private Facebook page, the Mod Squad making sure Discord keeps running smooth, and everyone over on the Time Suck Subreddit and Bad Magic Subreddit. And now let's head over to this week's Time Sucker updates. Updates! Get your Time Sucker updates!
Starting point is 02:50:41 Our first update this week comes from Sharp Sack Dennis McIntosh who hit me up on Patreon with a correction to last week's octopus conspiracy suck. Last week I incorrectly stated that the Republicans lost control of the House and Senate in the 1982 elections. No, Republicans lost a bunch of seats in Congress in 82, but the Senate remained virtually unchanged. Republicans would lose a bunch of Senate seats during Reagan's second term in 1986. So sorry about that. The source we leaned on was wrong and may have exaggerated their point to fit the narrative
Starting point is 02:51:14 better and I should have checked. I should have double checked that. It's on me. Glad we have this space for some retractions. And now to something sweet. Mr. Natural sent in a message to Bojangles at timesuckpodcast.com with the subject line of to Plumpkin from Shmoopy. And here's what they wrote.
Starting point is 02:51:35 Hello, my name is Natural. I live in Tacoma in Washington state. My wife, Jade and I have been listening to Time Suck and all your podcasts from the time each first episode dropped. Thank you. We constantly reference bits from the shows. Whenever we're in a good mood or trying to get a laugh out of each other.
Starting point is 02:51:49 It would make her day if you could tell her happy birthday sometime around May 22nd. We have a grandson now, Atlas, and her mom Ivy is a huge scared to death fan. So it is more than likely that three generations of the Nash family will all be fans of bad magic. Hail Nimrod, natural. Well hail Nimrod to you, Mr. Natural. And yes, this is a very, I'm aware, this is a very fucking early birthday wish. Like almost four months early, but I have no idea right now what episode I might
Starting point is 02:52:17 be dropping in mid May. And a running to do list about a mile long. So if I don't do this now, there's a 99% chance. No, there's a 100% chance, I'll forget. So happy early as shit birthday, Jade. Thank you for listening. Thanks to Ivy for listening. Congrats on Atlas. Adore the shit out of him. Yeah, thanks for the message.
Starting point is 02:52:37 And now for something so intense. Awesome, incredibly sweet sucker Jeremiah, I'll leave his last name out, sent in a message with a very alarming subject line of I was introduced to time suck by a serial rapist he wrote hi Dan Lindsay the entire bad magic team so I mean based on that subject line it felt appropriate for this episode my name is Jeremiah and I'm a longtime listener this is my first time writing in sorry not sorry for the girth of this email I cannot cannot express how much I love what you all are doing.
Starting point is 02:53:05 Time Suck Especially is one of my favorite things in this crazy world. Started listening back in 2019. The episodes on John Mene Ramsey, Homelessness in America. With the first two, I was hooked immediately. After a dozen or so random episodes, I decided with all the inside jokes and characters, I should start from the beginning. I highly recommend that. It's been a real joy to follow along with the evolution of the show
Starting point is 02:53:24 and so many hilarious long-running jokes and epic storytelling. Oh highly recommend that. It's been a real joy to follow along with the evolution of the show and so many hilarious long-running jokes since epic story time. Oh thank you. With hundreds of episodes over the years to keep me occupied on long shifts at work or long drives, I listen to everyone, some twice. I feel smarter for doing so. You have to love something that makes you laugh and cry. Those time stalker updates get me in the feel sometimes. I love the in-depth research and how Dan's able to tell these tales but also make me laugh way too hard sometimes My co-workers think I'm insane look forward each week new episodes
Starting point is 02:53:48 Love to hear the updates joke around with other time suckers online What a wonderful community you all have created out of thin air. You should be very proud now to the meat of this email Yeah, thank you again. This is crazy last May I listened to episode 401 about that sicko Kenneth McDuff. And in that episode, you made a joke about wishing you had a magic button that killed all pitos. And then you mused about how many of your listeners would disappear. I knew that I needed to tell you this story.
Starting point is 02:54:14 As I said, I started listening to Time Suck back in 2019. At the time I was working for a restaurant supply company in Boulder, Colorado. I was in sales. And in March of 2019, this guy named Trevor joined our team He sat right next to me. We quickly learned that we shared a dark sense of humor We talked about comedy a lot one day He asked me if I'd ever heard of Dan Cummins to my surprise
Starting point is 02:54:33 I had not he sent me the video of me on this is not happening. I was off to the races How would I never heard of this guy? So the next day at work Trevor and I are talking and he said I figured you'd like a sense of humor And that's when our other co-worker piped up from the end cubicle and asked have you guys ever heard of this guy? So the next day at work, Trevor and I are talking and he said, I figured you'd like a sense of humor. And that's when our other co-worker piped up from the end cubicle and asked, have you guys ever heard of Time Suck? We both said no. What's that? And this guy, Andrew, told us it was your podcast. On a disc golf trip that weekend,
Starting point is 02:54:57 we checked out the two episodes I mentioned at the beginning of the email. The rest is history. Since then, I've become close with Trevor and his family, and Time Suck has been a big part of our friendship. We're lucky enough to catch you at ComedyWorks in Denver a couple years back. As for Andrew, the guy who turned us on to Time Suck during the pandemic, I quit working at the restaurant supply company and other than Trevor I didn't keep up with many people there. In the spring of 2022, Andrew hit me up via Facebook, suggested we get together to watch
Starting point is 02:55:21 our two hockey teams play in the first round of the NHL playoffs and catch up. He came to my apartment, we enjoyed the game, had some pizza, talked about work. He ended up being the top salesman at this company for several years. After my lightning beat his maple leaves, he left and I never saw him again. Two weeks later, another friend who had worked with us texted me, what's up with Andrew? I said I didn't know. And what do you mean? And he sent me an article stating that the Longmont police were
Starting point is 02:55:46 searching for him and that he was on the run. The charges against him were human trafficking, sexual exploitation of a child and child prostitution. I was blown away. This was a normal guy as far as I knew. He was a little off, but I always thought it was just because he was Canadian. I shared the article with Trevor. We've been baffled ever since.
Starting point is 02:56:03 We have so many questions. This guy's never been caught. He fled, Colorado They found his abandoned Jeep in Moab, Utah. We've been searching for answers. We finally received someone. John Walsh did a story about him on excuse me on season 5 episode 2 of his show in pursuit with John Walsh as It turns out Andrew was a serial rapist who was using Snapchat to prey on and eventually raped several girls as young as 14. He was in his late 30s at the time. I have no idea if he's dead or alive now. All I know is that he had a lot of people fooled. You just never know what the people around you are up to in the shadows.
Starting point is 02:56:36 Anyway, this is a story about how I was turned on to Time Suck. Best podcast ever. 3 out of 5 stars. Wouldn't change a thing. Keep up the great work. And for some reason if this makes it to the air, please give a shout out to my good friend Trevor Nelson. He's a great guy. Even better friend. Take care. Hope to see you all at summer camp. P.S. Did you know that Triple M co-wrote the Van Halen song, I'll Wait, with Eddie Van Halen? Holy shit. Thank you for all the kind words. And that's fucking insane. God, why would you ever listen to a show where the host constantly talks about wishing fucking death on pedophiles if you're a pedophile? Like seriously, what the fuck? Why? Why would you recommend that show?
Starting point is 02:57:14 I mean, I guess if you just you know trying to like show that you're not or prove to people you're not oh man And these motherfuckers they blend in so well. You would never know what they do when you're not around kind of like Bill Cosby Man, I can't think about how secretive some people can be too long. It starts to make me feel just paranoid and insane And Andrew Andrew Rosa. Oh, sorry. And yes, Trevor. Thanks Trevor Nelson. Thanks for being a good friend Thanks for not also being a rapist. I hope I hope you're not And Andrew Rosa is the guy's full name. He has not been caught He is still wanted last seen in Southern Utah driving a silver color 2008 Subaru station wagon in late 2022
Starting point is 02:57:50 Colorado license plate number OPR 948 white male 6 foot 1 215 pounds blue eyes brown hair Born December 11th 1987 if you have info on this son of a bitch send an email to warrants at DC Sheriff dotnet Or call the Douglas County Sheriff's Office warrant tip hotline 303 660 7574 and you can remain anonymous If I leave a lighter note, I did not know about that Van Halen song. Jeremiah. Thank you. Yeah, according to Wikipedia I'll wait written as a collaboration between Van Halen and Michael McDonald Wikipedia I'll wait written as a collaboration between Van Halen and Michael McDonald who was brought in by producer Ted Templeman when David Lee
Starting point is 02:58:29 Roth was having trouble completing the melody and the band was having trouble completing the lyrics to the song fuck yeah man hail triple M if I find out he's a sexual predator I'm gonna fucking shut the show down it's gonna break me please be good Michael thank you for the messages, everybody. Thanks, Time Suckers. I needed that. We all did. Well, thank you for listening to another Bad Magic Productions podcast. Scared to death Time Suck each week. Short Sucks and Nightmare Fuel on the Time Suck and Scared to Death podcast feeds twice a month on Fridays.
Starting point is 02:59:02 Don't spike anybody's drink this week or ever. It's a really shitty way to keep on sucking. And now a little taste of a very different side of Michael motherfucking McDonald. An unstoppable force in the 80s. Oh, all hail Triple M!

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