Timesuck with Dan Cummins - 473 - Selena! When Fame Turns Fatal

Episode Date: September 22, 2025

Selena rose from an impoverished Texas childhood to become the Queen of Tejano music, breaking barriers and inspiring millions before her life was cut short at just 23 years old. This week, we’ll dive into her meteoric rise, her shocking murder, and also look at the dark dangers of obsessive fandom. From Selena to John Lennon to Dimebag Darrell and beyond, this is the story of when adoration turns deadly.Merch and more: www.badmagicproductions.com Timesuck Discord! https://discord.gg/tqzH89vWant to join the Cult of the Curious PrivateFacebook Group? Go directly to Facebook and search for "Cult of the Curious" to locate whatever happens to be our most current page :)For all merch-related questions/problems: [e-mail] (copy and paste)Please rate and subscribe on Apple Podcasts and elsewhere and follow the suck on social media!! @timesuckpodcast on IG and http://www.facebook.com/timesuckpodcastWanna become a Space Lizard? Click here: https://www.patreon.com/timesuckpodcast.Sign up through Patreon, and for $5 a month, you get access to the entire Secret Suck catalog (295 episodes) PLUS the entire catalog of Timesuck, AD FREE. You'll also get 20% off of all regular Timesuck merch PLUS access to exclusive Space Lizard merch. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

I want to be remembered not only as an entertainer, but as a person who cared a lot, and I gave the best that I could. I try to be the best role model that I possibly could. Selina Quintanilla Perez Selena was a true superstar of the Latin music industry, known as the Queen of Tejano, a special type of folk music with both Mexican and European elements. In her brief time here on Earth, she built a massive fan base, sold over a million records, and then sold so many million more records,

when she died. Right before she was murdered, Selena was on the cusp of taking her career to new heights. She was working on the English crossover album that she hoped would take her to the top of the pop charts, which it would, and expose her talents to an even wider audience, which it did. But Selena's life and career were cut tragically short when she was murdered on March 31st, 1995

by the president of her own fan club, a deranged, delusional parasite of a woman named Yolanda Saldivar. Selina was only 23 years old. Selina had met Salivar, a nurse from San Antonio, 11 years her senior, four years earlier in 1991. Yolanda was obsessed with her from the very beginning, establishing and managing the Selena fan club, earning both the singers and her family's trust,

and eventually becoming Selena's friend and confidant. Yolanda centered her entire life around Selena, which wasn't hard for her to do. She didn't have any friends or a romantic partner when she met Selena. Yolanda turned her home into what essentially was a creepy shrine dedicated to the singer, and she tried to get rid of anyone she thought stood in the way of their relationship. All the while, Selena's biggest fan was stealing tens of thousands of dollars from her non-profit fan club and later clothing boutiques.

When she finally got caught, instead of admitting what she had done, she just kept telling Selena lies and making up excuse after excuse as to why she couldn't hand over her financial documents that she'd stolen, that Selena needed for her annual tax return. When Selena went to a Corpus Christi days in to get those documents, she and Yolanda got into a heated argument. Exactly what was said is unknown.

All we have is Yolanda's version, and over the year she has proven herself over and over again to be a liar. But we do know how it ended, and gunshots. This week, we not only explore the details of Selena's inspirational life, her rise to superstardom,

and her tragic murder, will also talk about the dangers of psychotic fans. and their sick parisocial fixations on celebrities and how that has ended in murder far too many times in this mixed bag of celebrity, biography, social commentary, and true crime edition of TimeSuck. This is Michael McDonald, and you're listening to TimeSuck. You're listening to TimeSuck.

Happy Monday. and welcome or welcome back to the cult of the curious. I'm Dan Cummins. Suck provocateur, professional rabble rouser, mischief maker, lotion connoisseur. And you are listing to time suck. Hail Nimrod. Hail Lucifina.

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the team meets sack ethos of everybody in the seat at the table who don't want that seat to come at the expense of somebody else's seat. And now let's get started. Vamos. Actually, before I say anything, I'm just going to say this to get it out of my own head. No one would probably have noticed, but I will think that you all noticed if I don't say this. Sometimes when I eat acidic foods, I get these little kangarsores in my mouth, and I got one. I really wanted spaghetti, and red sauce sometimes fucks my mouth up, but I wanted it anyway. I hate it, and I just have a little tiny sore on the tip of my tongue. It feels kind of like when you have a little piece of food.

food there, but it won't come off because, you know, it's part of my body. And it feels like it makes my lisp, which I always have a touch of, uh, even worse. Okay. You're probably like, I don't fucking hear it. But I feel better now. Uh, here's how we're laying, uh, this biopic out today. Uh, first, the entire first half of this episode will be, uh, doing this for the first time, uh, recorded all in Spanish. And in this first metat, uh, repasare, uh, the impacto de la life and the career of Salina Quintanilla. My emotioned much

to share his inspirerator history, he did much with only 23 years. And in

reality, his career musical duro only a year, I'm how can be

influenced in the life of millions of people and a piorodod very for real no i know i fucked

those words up but maybe i didn't fuck them up worse than i fuck up a lot of words in english anyone listening for here uh here any length of time knows that i don't speak any language fluently i'll start today by touching on the impact of selina quintinia's life and career followed by an overview of the spectrum of celebrity obsession which can easily become very toxic very dangerous sometimes fatal then we'll cover the full timeline of her life how she met Yolanda Saldivar, that fucking human turd,

the murder case, and the trial that followed. Here we go. Here we go. Here we go. Sorry, the last one was too much. I just got excited. In her 2010 story on Selena's life, the former executive editor of Texas Monthly,

Pamela Kalloff, wrote, quote, at the time of her death, at the age of 23, Selina Quintanilla Perez, was many things to many people. Cultural icon, role model, sex symbol, yet to many Anglos, she was a complete unknown. Pinchigrinos!

Why? Nos questa tantos Salir de Nuestra Zona de Comfort. Actually, I graduated high school in 1995. Fucking no clue who she was. I had never heard of Selena. And that was the year she died.

By the age of 10, Selena was the lead singer in her family band, Salina and Los Dinos. They performed Tejano music, described by the New York Times as a modern version of European and

Mexican-influenced pocas spiced with twanging country guitars that is a passion amongst Hispanic communities in the southwest. The band started producing music in the 1980s. Celina soon started topping the Latin music charts. Selina and Los Dinos recorded seven albums. My Primeras, Gravations, aka my first recordings in 1984. Selina was just 13 years old when that came out. the new girl in town in 1995, Alpha in 1996, Minoquito de Trapo, aka Ragdoll, also in 1986, four albums now, and she's just 15. And the winner is in 1987, Preciosa,

aka Lovely, in 1988. I think that's a Precioso. And Dolcea Amor, aka Eisenhower, warned us about the military industrial complex, and we never listened in 1988. and Dulce Amor does not translate into that. It translates into sweet love. Selina's father, Abraham Isaac, Quintania, Jr., acted as the group's manager and producer,

but Selena's brother, Abraham Isaac, Quintanilla, the third, but known as A.B., also wrote and produced many of her songs. A true family affair, reminiscent of the Jackson Five in some ways. In 1986, young Salina, just 15, won female vocalist of the year, performer of the year at the Tahano Music Awards. She would be nominated for a total of 48 Tejano Music Awards over the course of her young life. She'd win 44, it's fucking crazy. During the final years of her life, she became the face of Tejano music.

No one else in that genre was even like a quarter as famous as she was. In 1989, Selina caught the attention of Jose Behar, who managed the Latin Division of EMI Records, this multinational record label owned by the Dutch American Corporation Universal Music Group. Selina signed as a solo artist to EMI. Her album, Selena, released on October 17th, 1989, Selena just 18 years old.

From 1989 to 1995, Selena released five more studio albums and one live album. So much music. In 1990, Selena released her album, Ven Comigo, Come With Me, which was the very first Tejano record to achieve gold record status when it sold over 500,000 copies in the U.S. Antre Amamundo Enter My World Released in 1992

Features one of Selena's most popular songs Como La Flore Like the Flower Live was released in 1993 and reached number two on the Billboard's top Latin albums chart Live also won a Grammy the following year for Best Mexican American Album

Selina the first female Tejano artist to win that award her sister Suzette would say to Texas Monthly Selena brought a camera to the Grammy so she could take pictures of the stars She didn't understand that she was a star. I'll never forget those words.

The Grammy goes to live, Selena. We were screaming at the top of our lungs. I remember when we left Radio City Music Hall, we heard people shouting her name outside. She turned around in complete shock and said to me, they know me? Then she turned back around and tried to be all cool, waving at them like Miss America.

She laughed and whispered to me, wouldn't it be embarrassing if I fell right now? Clearly, she had not let her feel. fame go to her head, make her a diva, and good on her for staying grounded. That couldn't have been easy, especially at such a young age. Speaks very highly of her character. Selina's album, Amor Prohibido, a.k.a. Forbidden Love would bump Gloria Estevan's album out of the number one spot on the Billboard Latin charts. After Live was released, Selena started working on a partial English language album, which you hope would get her on the pop music charts.

Selena's final album, at least her final album, in the process of being, you know, prepared for release while she was still alive. Dreaming of You was released on July 18th, 1995, only a few months. After her tragic death, the album reached number one on the Billboard Top 200 in August of 1995, the very first predominantly Spanish-language album to top the overall Billboard charts. And it marked the ascension of her fame to even greater heights in the wake of her murder. How bittersweet. Today in total, Selena has sold over 30 million albums worldwide.

Some sources even go as high as saying she sold six. million albums. Not every country tracks those things, you know, super well. So it's an estimate. She's known as the Queen of Tejano. Seven of Selena's songs reached number one on Billboard's hot Latin songs chart. 15 or, excuse me, 14 more ranked in the top 10. Some of her most famous songs were Amor Prohibito, which I mentioned before.

Again, means forbidden love. No me quera more. I have no more left. And biddy, bim-biby-bombam, which directly translates in English. to reptilian unicorns are eating the sun and soon we will all live in darkness. No, bitty bambom-bombom doesn't fucking mean anything, I don't think. It just sounds.

It just means bitty-biby-bombom. Dreaming a view. Selina's most successful song, reaching number 22 on the Billboard Hot 100. Just a few years ago, 2021, Selena was posthumously awarded the Recording Academy's Lifetime Achievement Award at the 2021 Grammy Awards. And in 2022, the Quintanilla family released an album titled

Moonchild mixes that features 13 new recordings of Selena's voice. Reminds me of Tupac in the sense that so many posthumous releases, she clearly spent a lot of time recording in the studio. In addition to her career achievements, Selena was a spokesperson for Coca-Cola and the anti-drug campaign DARE. She was also an advocate for education. In 1995, Selena appeared in the movie Don Juan DeMarco, starring Johnny Depp and Marlon Brando.

Not a big role, just, you know, singer in the background, but she was there. Two weeks after Selena died, President George W. Bush, well, I guess then, the governor of Texas, declared April 16th, Selena Day. And he said Selena represented the essence of South Texas culture. I love it. I got to say, not a popular opinion, but the more I learn about the overall life of George W. Bush, there's a lot of like. He's done a lot of nice things. Despite Selena's massive popularity amongst primarily Hispanic audiences,

Many people didn't know who she was until after she died. The general American population's reaction to Selena's death exemplified in an interaction between Texas Monthly Senior Editor, journalist and author Joe Nick Potoski. When Patoski was speaking, fucking incredible that he could speak as a Polish person. Sorry. That's like more habit. I haven't taken that shot in long time. If you've listened for a long time, you know that Lindsay's Polish and I like to say dumb things.

But when Patoski was speaking to a neighbor about Selena's death, he said, the neighbor said, I never heard of her, and I'm from Ure Fuhio. I grew up around these people. Potoski wrote in his piece about Selena, to these people, the five million Texans of Mexican descent, March 31st was a darker day than November 22nd, 1963. When Kennedy was assassinated, to those people, Selena was more than a celebrity.

She was an icon. Her status as an entertainer who was a millionaire at age 19, her positive personality, her devotion to God, family and home, and her willingness to talk to kids about staying in school and avoiding drugs made her a hero to brown-skinned people, especially Hispanic girls who had precious few role models. Batoski added, her music validated the cultural duality of the majority of her fans, proving you could embrace the traditions of the land you came from,

while still being hip and modern, like most Mexican-Americans, who have assimilated into the mainstream, selling his first language was English, and yet she opted to sing in the native language of her parents, proving that who you are and where your family came from are sources of pride, not sources of shame. Very well put. Daniel Glass, former president, CEO of EMI Records,

told Texas Monthly in 2010, she would have been undoubtedly one of the biggest stars in the world. Selina was going to be huge, not only in Latin music, but in the mainstream market. She would have been up there with Mariah Carey, with Madonna, with the great ones. Deborah Paradis,

author and associate director of the Center for Mexican American Studies at the University of Texas in Austin, explained to Texas Monthly how Selena provided representation for her fans. Quote, unlike most Latina celebrities, she was Morena, dark. She did not conform to Anglo standards of beauty.

She had curves, brown skin, black hair that had not been lightened. She resonated with her fans not only because she shared the same class in regional affiliations as them, but because she looked like them too. Antonio Zavaletta, an anthropology professor

at the University of Texas at Brownsville, described Selena as one of the review Deared folk saints in Latino culture saying, the living and the suffering believe they can ask the spirit of Salina, which is most certainly in heaven having been martyred, to intercede with the mother of God on their behalf for the delivery of a miracle, such as bringing a wayward daughter home. Just how successful Selena might have become is obviously something we will never know with any certainty,

but she would have been wildly internationally famous. Her life was tragically cut short, though, by the woman who was supposed to be her biggest fan. a woman who'd become a friend, an employee of Salinas, and a fucking Judas who betrayed and stole from her. Now, before we really dive in and talk about Selena's life in detail and look into how she became involved with Yolanda Saldivar, let's discuss the concept of celebrity worship in general,

like the dark side of it. Selina Quintania, sadly not the only celebrity, murdered by an obsessed fan. December 8th of 1980, John Lennon shot outside his apartment in Manhattan by a huge Beatles fan. or you know guy who at one time was a huge Beatles fan Mark David Chapman Chapman had asked Lennon for an autograph

and then several hours later came back and shot him and Lennon gave him that autograph by the way signed a copy of his album Double Fantasy on the evening of December 8th, 1980 so why did he kill him then? Well in short because he was fucking crazy around 5 p.m.

On the day Lennon died, Lennon and his wife, Yoko Ono, going to be nice to her today, were leaving the Dakota apartment building located on the Upper West Side of Manhattan where they lived for a recording set or where they lived to go to a recording session at the record plant

as they walked towards their limousine Chapman then 25 years old without saying a word held out a copy of Lenin's album for him to sign amateur photographer Paul Goresh standing nearby happy to take a picture as Lenin signed the album so we got some documentation nearly six hours later around 10.50 p.m. Lennon and Ono they returned to the Dakota

in a limousine. Yoko got out of the vehicle first, past Chapman, walked toward the archway entrance of the building. Lennon exited the limousine, walked past him. From the sidewalk behind him,

Chapman then fired five hollow point bullets from a 38 special, four of which hit Lennon in the back and shoulder, for fuck's sake. One bullet missed Lennon, struck a window of the Dakota.

According to the subsequent autopsy, two bullets entered the left side of Lennon's back, with one exiting through his chest and lung, and the other lodging in his neck and two more bullets hit his left shoulder. Lennon bleeding profusely from his external wounds and from his mouth staggered up five steps to the lobby crying, I'm shot, I'm shot, then collapsed,

scattering the cassettes he'd been carrying. One newspaper later reported that Chapman called out Mr. Lennon and then dropped into a combat stance before firing. Then Chapman, that crazy motherfucker sat down, took out a copy of the catcher in the Rye and just quietly read his book until the police showed up. Three hours later, Chapman told the police. after apologizing to them for ruining their night, he said, I'm sure the big part of me is Holden Caulfield, who is the main person in the book. The small part of me must be the devil.

He'd been reading that book over and over and over as a mentally well person does for several years. During the subsequent investigation, it was discovered that Chapman had loved the Beatles growing up, but then started going to some small, hateful Christian fundamentalist churches, Westboro Baptist vibes, started to fixate on Lenin, who had once said that the Beatles had become more popular than Jesus.

And that really chapped Chapman's ass. Chapman also started to fixate on the lyrics to John's 1971 song Imagine. Stuff like, imagine there's no heaven. It's easy if you try. No hell below us. Above us only sky. Imagine all the people living for today. And he felt those lyrics were fucking communist bullshit.

He hated that the lyrics were not pro-religion. And in his weekly prayer group, they started to sing a parody of this song with lyrics like Imagine If John Lennon was dead You know, very clever, super creative bunch And he also really hated Lennon's song titled God With lyrics like, I don't believe in magic I don't believe in Bible, I don't believe in terror

I don't believe in Hitler, I don't believe in Jesus I just believe in me, Yoko and me And that's reality Again, he felt that song was mocking God And that because of that Lennon, this commie bastard This commie bastard who had millions of dollars He wasn't sharing with everyone according to to the Chapman's take on his

commie ethos, well, he needed to die. Dude again was fucking nuts. He also wanted to kill David Bowie, Elizabeth Taylor, Johnny Carson, Paul McCartney, and other celebrities. He had literally grabbed onto singer James Taylor the day before when Taylor had stepped off of a subway in Manhattan and scared the shit out of him.

He started speaking gibberish, saying shit like, talking about shit like snort and cocaine with a taxi driver. More than a dozen psychologists and psychiatrists would interview Chapman before his trial. Six said he was psychotic. Five said he was a paranoid schizophrenic. Various ones also felt he had a variety of personality disorders or was a manic depressive.

After his trial, he was found guilty of murder. And the judge in his case ordered psychiatric treatment for Chapman during his incarceration, sentenced him to 20 years to life, five years less than the maximum penalty of 25 years to life. And this is some insight into his mental health. When asked if he had anything to say after his sentencing, dude rose and read a passage from of course the catcher in the rye a passage in which holden tells his little sister phoebe what he wants to do with his life he said i keep picturing all these little kids playing some game in this big field of rye and all thousands of little kids and nobody's around nobody big i mean except me and i'm standing on the edge of some crazy cliff what i have to do i have to catch everybody if they start to go over the cliff i mean if they're running and they don't look where they're going i have to come out from somewhere and catch them That's all I do all day.

I'd just be the catcher and the rye and all. So fucking sad, actually. Dude's brain clearly was not firing on all cylinders. Despite first becoming eligible for parole in 2000, Chapman has never been released. I doubt he ever will be. He's been denied parole 14 times in counting because he's still every bit as mentally unwell as he was back then. He's now served 45 years in prison. He's currently seven years old as I record this.

And he has the brain of an old fucking pork chop. somebody left out on the sidewalk for a few weeks. There's also the execution of Daryl Lance Abbott, known by his stage name of Dimebag Daryl, lead guitarist, co-founder, along with his drummer brother, Vincent Paul Abbott, aka Vinnie Paul, of the highly regarded wildly influential metal band, Pantera,

and then later Damage Plan. And on December 8, 2004, a 25-year-old huge Pantera fan named Nathan Gale went to Damage Plans concert at the Alroza Villa Nightclub in Columbus, Ohio, damage plan was the new band formed by abbot brothers after pantera had broken up the year before and it seems to gale pretty fucking pissed off that pantera had broken up may have blamed dime bag for the split he rushed up on stage after sneaking into the venue uh in part by scaling a fence snuck up behind dime bag holding a semi-automatic nine millimeter burrata as damage plan performed her opening song he grabbed him by the hair right by the back of the head shot him point blank in the head then shot him point blank in the head then shot him shot him two more times in the head when he fell to the ground. Gail then shot Damage Plans tour manager Chris Paluska, who tried to intervene once in the

chest. When the band's security chief, Jeffrey Mayhem Thompson, then tackled Gail heroically from behind. Gail shot him in the chest, back and thigh, fatally wounding him. Then a random heroic fan named Nathan Bray leapt on stage to try and subdue Gail. He was fatally shot in the chest. Aaron Stony Hawk and Al Rosavilla employee, former Marine, another brave motherfucker, next charge Gail while he was reloading. and then he was mortally wounded, taking six shots, four to the chest, one to the hand, one to the lake.

Travis Burnett, a heroic member of another band's road crew, then attempted to disarm Gail, was grazed by a bullet on his left forearm, and Burnett fled the scene when subsequent gunshots were aimed at his head. Finally, one more brave motherfucker at the show. Drumtech John Cat Brooks attempted to subdue Gail, got shot twice in the leg, and was then taken hostage. And then three minutes after the original 911 call came in, our final hero, that night, officer, well, that I have read about, there may have been others there, Officer James Nijmire of the CPD, entered the club to a backstage door with a 12-gauge shotgun,

blasted that motherfucker in the face, killing him instantly. Dude went into full punisher mode, and I'm so here for. Good on him, and hail, Officer Nijmire. He saved some lives that day. Gail still had 30 rounds of ammo on him after firing 15 shots. Five people died. Three were wounded. Over what?

a crybaby lunatic with a gun who was pissed off that his favorite band had broken up probably we don't know for sure why Gail did what he did because he had his fucking face blown off we do know he struggled with substance abuse in high school and directly after high school we know he enlisted in the Marines at the age of 22

after completing drug rehab but was then discharged just 18 months later for being a paranoid schizophrenic we know his friend started to distance themselves from him in the final year of his life that he weirded out a local tattoo shop owner he visited frequently, that likely not taking his medication in the months prior to the massacre, he would laugh, talk to himself frequently, like laugh to himself, talk to himself.

Eight months before he murdered the guitarist dime bag, he had attended another damage plan show in Cincinnati, Ohio, had jumped on stage, destroyed $1,800 worth of lights, and other equipment before security grabbed him and tossed him outside and then held him until the police came. finding the night of the killing he harassed members of damage plan in the parking lot before the show the club's manager Rick Coutella told Rolling Stone magazine

he was just a crazy fan trying to talk to members of the band one of my guys who helps to set up the bands eventually told him to leave huh it's almost like schizophrenia and guns obviously do not mix well I've been bishing about improved gun control

off and on because of shit exactly like this for years instead of the whole bit about it on my don't wake the bear's stand of special recorded in 2015. And yet, as I record this now, we've already had 47 school shootings in America just this fucking year in 2025. We just had a podcaster, Charlie Kirk, get executed in front of his fans with a rifle in Utah. We had Minnesota State Congresswoman Melissa Hortman, her husband, Mark, be executed in their home a few months ago. A.Nistate State Congressman John

A. Hoffman and his wife, Vet, also shot in their home by the same deranged maniac that night, lucky to survive on average approximately 125 people in the U.S. are killed by guns every single day, roughly twice that many, shot and wounded every single day, gun violence, the leading cause of death for kids and teens in America, gun homicide rate in the U.S., 26 times higher than the average gun homicide rate of all the world's other developed countries, but there is still no serious talk of new gun control regulation. What the fuck are we even doing at this point?

Right, it's heartbreaking. It's insane. You know, I don't know why we can't have at least, you know, some fucking, you know, regulation around, around mental illness. I mean, if you've been, you know, involuntarily committed, then, yeah, you can't get a gun. But there's no, like, test to make sure that you don't have, you know, some of that shit now. That's fucking wild. Fashion designer, Johnny Versace, shot in Miami, July 15th, 1997 by a spree killer. Another maniac seemingly obsessed with someone they did not know, Andrew Cananan.

Cunanan claimed he had known Versace since 1990 claimed the Versace family has adamantly denied and Versace was one of the five men killed in Kunan's murder spree. He already shot down four others in 1997. He ended his life six days after he killed Versace. And before I move over to the next tragic example of what can happen when a deranged fan gets a hold of a gun, time for today's first to two mid-show sponsor breaks.

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Singer and famous YouTuber, Christina Grimmie, just 22 years old, who had sang her ass off and brought the house down on an episode of Season 6 of The Voice with her incredible rendition of Recking Ball, killed on June 10th, 2016 by deranged fan Kevin James Leibble after a concert at the Plaza Live in Orlando. She was signing autographs, taking selfies, hugging fans at her post-concert meet and greet, showing people nothing but love.

And at 10.24 p.m., when she opened her arms to literally hug 27-year-old fuckface, libel, he pulled out a Glock 9mm, shot her three times at point-blank range. Grimy's older brother, Mark, working as a road manager, who was selling his sister's merchandise at a nearby table that night bravely jumped towards and then tackled libel and the men fought libel broke free, backed up against a wall

pulled out a second handgun, shot himself in the fucking head. Man, hail Mark Grimmie who knows how many other lives he may have saved by fighting back. That shit made me fucking cry when I first read about it. God dang, man, just motherfucker tore this family apart.

Who was libel? Just another obsessed person with obvious, if not diagnosed, serious mental, illness. Police showed the front desk manager of the hotel. Libel had stayed in the night before the murder, a photo of libel, and he instantly asked if this was a suspect in the, in the grimmy shooting. The manager said libel had checked in the night before the concert, arriving by cab about 1.30 p.m. and struck the manager as strange. He had checked in with zero luggage. According to an excerpt from a

police report, quote, there was no luggage, no personal belongings visible, and the bed looked as if he slept on top of the covers in the trash. It appeared he had purchased some food from the hotel snack bar and ate it in his room. Lible's father and brothers said he rarely left his room, still lived at home with his dad except to go to Best Buy, where he worked part-time, mostly on the weekends. They said he was always on his computer. Of course he was. Corey Dennington, who had known Lible for 15 years and believed he was, quote, his only friend in the world. The whole police that Lible had become fixated on Grimmy in the last six months to a year of his life. Leibble told him he watched everything having to do with her.

Motherfucker couldn't get a date to save his life, couldn't pay his own way in life, but he could buy any gun he wanted. He even got Lasic, whitens his teeth, got hair implants to make himself look more attractive for Christina before he decided to meet her. He was so fucking delusional. I could go on and on. In November of 2012, yeah, let's move on to the next story. Yeah, he just, you know, thought she was going to fall in love with them.

And I guess, you know, the vibe wasn't there for him in the meet and greet line, didn't thinks she was, you know, falling head over heels immediately for her or for him, so he just opened fire. November of 2012, Mark Steak, his nephew Tanner Ruin, were arrested for planning to castrate, then murdered Justin Bieber. They'd been recruited by convicted murderer, rapist Dana Martin, who was obsessed with Bieber. He had formerly been a huge fan, but he wanted Justin killed because he said that Justin had changed.

Yeah, you fucking hope he had changed, you dumb piece of shit. He was 18 in November of 20. 2012. It would be weird for him not to change at that age. What was he supposed to be? Just keep being the dude he was when he was like 13. Famous sisters, Kendall and Kylie Jenner, they've had death threats from fans who've tried to break into their homes. In 2016, Kendall Jenner was harassed by a man named Chavon McKenzie, who followed her into a driveway, beat on her car window. That's terrifying. He was found guilty of trespassing, but acquitted a stalking. In October of 2018, Kendall got a restraining order against John Ford.

Some other creep who trespassed on her property four times in three months. In 2016, Marvin Maggayanes tried to break into Kylie Jenner's house, crashed his car into her front gate. In 2017, he confessed to murdering some random homeless dude, and then the police actually connected him to two murders. What the fuck? Even me. While I do not consider myself a celebrity,

I'm clearly not as famous as some popular musician or actor or, you know, reality star. I still had to talk to the police and some lawyers a few years back. about a deranged fan who made, you know, some threats against me and Lindsay. And I won't say anything more. I won't give any more details because they are still out there. And surprise, surprise, blatantly, very mentally ill and also have guns. Fuck yeah. Got to make sure the NRA gets all its blood money, right?

They need, they need that blatantly mentally ill gun money. They have to have it or their whole business will collapse. And all of this leads to the question of how. How can someone become so obsessed with a celebrity that they want to try and kill them? obviously sometimes the answer is nothing more than a serious untreated mental illness like paranoid schizophrenia some celebrity just happens to become the target of their irrational delusional fixation but another cause is something called celebrity worship syndrome defined as quote an obsessive addictive disorder where an individual becomes overly involved and interested with the details of the personal life of a celebrity the term said to be coined by researcher lynn mccutcheon in the early 2000s First used in the news in a daily mail article written by James Chapin, who was writing about the results of a study about celebrity worship by John Maltby and his colleagues. The researchers used a celebrity worship scale in their study, and they described three primary dimensions of celebrity worship. The first is the, quote, entertainment social dimension, which refers to individuals who are attracted to a celebrity because of their ability to entertain and how the celebrity can be a focus of conversation with others.

the second is the intense personal dimension which refers to individuals who have intense and compulsive feelings about a celebrity and the third is the borderline pathological dimension which refers to individuals who have uncontrollable behaviors

and fantasies about a celebrity malt being his team found a correlation unsurprisingly between pathological aspects of CWS and poor mental health they also found that amongst adolescents there is a strong correlation between celebrity worship

and poor body image and that makes me think of in-cell culture right somebody who doesn't see themselves as attractive somebody who doesn't think they have a real chance at dating the celebrity they worship or or anybody they uh you know are lusting over and eventually their longing and their lust turns into frustration and rage and then becomes some version of it's not fair and if i can't have him no one can uh james horn a psychologist who helped create the first questionnaire uh to measure celebrity worship said while being interviewed for a live science article in our society celebrities act like a drug they're around us everywhere they're an easy fix that's interesting you know

people getting the dopamine spike maybe from content created by somebody they enjoy admire lust after whatever then eventually they need a bigger rush they go to a concert some kind of appearance then they need a still bigger rush they go to a meet and greet they have a physical interaction they get a selfie they get a hug maybe they do that several times but they want more something more personal and when they don't get more when they experience some form of rejection they get fucking pissed and they turn on the object of their desire

who they now associate with pain instead of with feeling good wonder how much internet culture now fuels unhealthy relationships between artists and fans right we have such easy unprecedented access to celebrity news because of social media and TV interviews and celebrity interviews and social media

can easily lead to parasocial relationships one-sided relationships where a fan feels like they truly know a celebrity, that they're truly friends. While these parisocial relationships may have intensified and become more common in recent years, researchers believe that the concept of paying attention to what famous people are doing actually goes back to ancient times. Evolutionary psychologist Daniel Kruger told a live science journalist that even hunter-gatherer societies now had social hierarchies and that it was likely common to fixate

on what high status individuals or the perceived cool kids were doing to increase one's chances of joining that desired group of people. James Horan has described celebrity worship as existing in a continuum, saying the bad news is there's a stalker in all of us. And that makes more sense to me. I relate more to that than I would like to admit. I may have, maybe for years, back when I was younger, back in college, listened to Fiona Apple's first two albums to go to sleep to hundreds if not thousands of times.

and then maybe I would also fantasize you know about us meeting up you know we meet one another somehow and we really hit it off and she is just as into me as I'm into her

and we become lovers and we become best friends Hale Lusufina you know maybe maybe I have masturbated to some of my Fiona Apple fantasies and in my head you know

maybe I hoped I would somehow again run into her and you know and I would play out of my mind what I would say to her and blah blah blah Kind of embarrassing to think about now. Definitely embarrassing.

But I have for sure had fantasies about celebrities. Fantasies my therapists have said are perfectly fucking normal and healthy. Don't you shame me. Almost everybody does this to some degree. And almost everybody, myself included, I promise never bother you, Fiona, even though I still think you're very fucking cool and wildly talented and just as beautiful. But I'm happily married. And even if I wasn't, I would not impose my weird energy on you. Anyways, almost everyone recognizes that their fantasies are nothing more than that, just fantasies.

you know, fun, escapist things to think about, products of an overactive and maybe sometimes horny imagination. Most people can also keep their inner stocker somewhat in check. Lots of people use celebrity news as a form of healthy escapism in ways that are never going to fuck up anybody's life. But some people, you know, some people can't.

Some people just don't fucking get it in life in general. We all know that. Some withdraw from their real lives. They obsess over celebrities. They allow them to consume their thoughts. and in the borderline pathological stage of celebrity worship, people start to believe they actually do have a close relationship with this person they've never met

outside of maybe getting a quick autograph or a selfie. People who do this, they are most likely to experience, you know, high levels of celebrity worship during an identity adjustment. You know, like they just went through a divorce, other kind of relationship problems, maybe a job loss, maybe a recent death. And this is likely why young people are more susceptible to celebrity worship.

because they tend to experience, you know, more change, more turmoil than older people who are living, on average, more settled lives. Okay, now, with all this background and context established, with TMI regarding Fiona Apple, let's jump. Just forget I ever fucking talked about it. Let's jump into a timeline of the life and murder of Selena Quintanilla. She was a her own ser human, incredible. I think I said that horribly. But she was an incredible human being. I'm going to hit this button now.

Shrap on those boots, soldier. We're marching down a time-sunk timeline. Selina Quintanilla, born on April 16th, 1971, in the town of Lake Jackson, Texas. Parents are Abraham Quintanilla Jr., Marcella Ophelia Samora. Her father, born February 20th, 1939, to parents who both worked in the agriculture. cultural industry migrant workers helping with harvests. He was the middle child of six siblings and his family left

Catholicism and became Jehovah's Witnesses when Abraham was 14 years old. He'll raise his kids with the same religious beliefs and religion will be an important part of Selena's life. Abraham dropped out of high school his senior year to pursue his own career in music as a vocalist just like Selena. In the 50s he sang with the band called Los Dinos. Hmm. Or is it Los

Dinos? Bones Yeah We want to see them Dinosaur bones Yeah Where can we see them It was right there

I mean sure it actually loosely translates into the guys But I felt compelled To finally play that Me Encan Los Dinos In 1956 Abraham had heard Los Dinos

Performing at a high school dance Asked if he could join Ballsy It was perfect timing though Because one of their lead vocalists was quitting So Abe auditioned and he earned a spot as a third vocalist.

The Dinos were popular regionally with listeners of a local Corpus Christi station, but they could never break into the top 40, but they did become more successful when they switched from Duwop to Tejano music. And now Los Dinos, the band Abe's daughter, Will Front later on,

played in dance halls all over the U.S., primarily to a Hispanic crowd. Give you a little taste of this kind of music. That was a little snippet of Selena singing 1988's Dolce Amor with Los Dinos to give you, again, just a feel for what, you know, type of music that she and at this point in the timeline her dad were playing.

Can't find any old tracks from Los Dinos from the 60s or 70s. But here is Latin breed featuring Jimmy Edwards singing Yolo Comprehendo in 1970. So this is probably akin to what, like, her dad was playing around the country. It's very fun. It's very hard not to bop your head. Just kind of bounce to this music.

Anything that's, like, poca-based in some way. I was very happy. Not going to lie about this. I love Mexican food. This is going to go somewhere, I promise. I've eaten a lot of Mexican restaurants so many times, easily more than in any other type of restaurant. And that's usually the only place I hear this traditional style of music. You know, something akin to that.

And thanks to Pavlov's conditioning, my association between this kind of music, like a polka-based Hispanic music, and Mexican food is so fucking strong. When I first played that song for myself, immediately got very hungry for salty tortilla chips, house-made salsa, right, hot plate full of rice, refried beans, two chicken enchiladas, covered in enchilada sauce, and salsa verde. That's my go-to combo. Why is it so fucking good? Viva Mexico. In October of 1961, Abe put his music career on hold to join the Air Force. He was stationed at the McCord Air Force Base in Tacoma, Washington, where he met his future wife, Marcella Samora.

The two would get married less than two years after Abe joined the Air Force, June 8th, 1963. Very cool. Then Abe would be discharged from active duty in November that year. The couple's first child, Abraham Isaac Quintanilla III, born on December 13th, 1963, and Abraham will go by the name of AB. Within a month of AB's birth, the family moves to Corpus Christi, Texas, and Abe rejoins Los Dinos. Fuck yeah, bro. Get those dinosaur bones. I mean, play that music.

The band started leaning towards more of a pop and rock and roll sound. They were singing in English, but then this is ridiculous. Then one day, while performing in front of a primarily Mexican audience, they were heckled to sing in Spanish, but they could not. And the crowd was pissed. Pissed to the point they demanded refunds and got them. When the band confessed to not knowing any traditional music, the crowd was so angry, they actually literally chased the band out of the building, apparently.

And that's wild. That's a bit much. Maybe be annoyed, right? Maybe go home. Maybe get your money back. But maybe don't lynch anybody. for not knowing a fucking Pocosong. So now the band starts learning some Mexican songs,

and they also almost broke up. When Abe was on tour with Los Dinos around this time, his wife and son, Marcella and AB, they traveled to Washington State, spent some time with Marcella's parents in the Yakima area, and Marcela Calde gave him an ultimatum. She said, if you love me, you'll forget about music. You'll be with your wife and son.

Abraham responded by driving 22 hours straight from Phoenix to the little town of Wapita, Washington, where he told Marcia, Marcella, I'm taking A-B with me. You stay in her coming. She followed him home, and she never suggested he quit music again. Yeah, I bet not. Also, he would not always tour. He wasn't always gone. He was not above taking a steady job close to home when it made sense. Abraham and Marcella's second child, Suzette, Michelle Quintanilla, born June 29th, 1967, and in 1968, Abraham got a job with Dow Chemical in Lake Jackson, Texas, so he can make more money and, you know, be around the family more. So off the family go. goes, you know, to Lake Jackson now and doing that just about broke Abe. Abe later said, it's like three hours away from Corpus Christi. He said later about his new career, I had gone from living the nightlife to living in a town where everybody was in bed by 9 o'clock. I felt like a cage lion. All I wanted was to get back into music, but I had a family to support. It was a very

stressful time in my life. I went to my job every day. I was there physically, but my mind was not there. Even though the dream I'd had of making it had ended. it never left me. I tried to settle into life in Lake Jackson, but I thought about music all day long. Not long after taking this job. The couple were expecting their third child. How they found out, it's pretty funny.

When Marcella was pregnant with Selena, the doctor thought her pregnancy was a tumor at first. Abraham Marcella thought Selena would be a boy, once they knew, they had a baby, not a tumor. They were actually so certain they were going to have a boy, they only talked about boy names. And then when they had a girl and a mom in the hospital room next door who was convinced she was going to have a girl had a boy, she suggested that they

used the name she had picked out, which was Selena. And obviously that's what they did. When Selena was born, she, her parents, and her two older siblings lived in what was called a starter neighborhood for Dow families. Almost all the men in their neighborhood worked for the company. And in this neighborhood, which was primarily white, Selena and her siblings did not grow up speaking Spanish, only English. Abraham would later have to teach Selena to sing in Spanish phonetically and selina would not learn how to speak spanish fluently until she was a young adult ab quintinia would say about their childhood in an interview with texas monthly there were no mexicans where we grew up we didn't speak spanish and we weren't raised on spanish music we grew up with no

influences whatsoever from our culture abraham quintinia made a statement in his interview that provides further insight into this he said i taught my kids to persevere back when i was with the Dinos, we ran into a lot of rejection because we were Mexican. We got invited to play a rodeo in Madisonville with some big-name artists in the mainstream market, Johnny Tillotson, Ray Stevens, Ray Peterson, the five Americans. On our way to the show, we were asked to sit at the back of the bus. And when we got to Madisonville, we were told there weren't any rooms available for us. It was a different time, you know.

When we were growing up, our teacher spanked us if we spoke Spanish in school. By the time Selena came around, things had changed. And once again, when I hear about his child, I just, What the fuck is wrong with so many people? Spanked in class for speaking Spanish, fuck off. Ah, the world always has had way too many small, scared, ignorant, sad little motherfuckers. Just so quick to demonize, just anything outside their precious little pea brain comfort zone. When I was a kid, I loved hearing somebody speaking other language.

Love meeting people who didn't look like me, right? I wanted to hear about lives, lived in places I was too poor to visit. I felt the opposite of threatened. I felt intrigued, excited. Such an easy way to be, right? It is so easy to just not be a bitter little fuckface. Selina's elementary school friend, Becky Cooper, would say in an interview. Selina was a stringy little kid, and God love her, she had the worst hair in the world.

Don't let anybody lie to you. This was the 70s in the early 80s, so everyone wanted that long, bone, straight hair. And her hair was a mass of curls with one curl going left, one going right, one sticking straight up. She and my cousin and I were all tomboyes, so he spent most of our time. playing outside selina was goofy and sweet and she had a good heart when i say goofy i mean goofy she would make us laugh until we snort it i love that what a sweet scene to think about right kids smiling laughing having fun with one another what a what childhood's supposed to be uh becky cooper also said that abraham quintinia was a strict father and that because of their jehovah's religious

beliefs selina did not celebrate her birthday and she was not allowed to sleep over at other people's houses. Right? That's a good call. You know what? Clearly God hates a fun sleepover between innocent kids. That chaps his ass like nothing else. Abraham Quintanilla jumped back into music in the late 70s and early 80s. Los Dinos rises again, but with some kids in it this time, Abraham started playing his guitar every day after work with little Selena sitting beside him when she was, that's awesome. When she was six years old, she started to sing along with him. Selina's older sister, Suzette, would later say the following about the start of the family band, quote, was taken ab by how good her voice was he was already teaching a b how to play the bass so i got

drafted to be the drummer which was a constant fight with me because i couldn't stand it girl drummers were not exactly cool back then dad converted the garage into a soundproof space and we rehearsed there every day for 30 minutes oh man having having flashbacks now my own daughter monroe uh we got a drum kit in the basement paid for both kids to take private lessons and for a second I really thought Monroe was going to be a you know fucking sick drummer she loved that food fighter song

The Sky is a neighborhood just an easy beat for the most part pretty simple I thought it would be so badass if she went hard in the drums you know got really good but was not willing to force her to keep playing and she gave up and now she plays classical music on the piano

both my kids do and you know what I'm happy they like it even though I cannot fucking stand 99% of classical music. I know. A lot of people like it. I just don't. It's never spoken to me.

Not really. I went through one fuck. I tried to force it. When I was in high school for like a year, maybe, tried to listen to Chikoski, made myself feel smart. Eventually I was like, I fucking hate this.

Bores me to tears. While the family was practicing music together, A, became inspired to open a restaurant when a friend said they needed a good Mexican restaurant in the area. They named the restaurant Papagaios, which translates to invaders from another planet. Fucked my face and all I got was this lousy t-shirt.

No means parrots. That's pretty close, though. Lo Lamento. Abe and Marcella, leased a space, hired some cooks. Oh, hell yeah. Man, thoughts of housemaids, tortilla chips. I'm very hungry right now. That's so salty.

Oh, wash him down with some soul or corona. Abe built a stage and a dance floor began having his kids perform for his customers. Very wholesome, you know, all this whole scene. Able to recall how they played songs like feelings somewhere over the rainbow, wasted days and wasted nights. Suzette would say later that she and AB did not like performing at the restaurant at fucking all. Maybe not as quite as wholesome as I imagine. Maybe forced child labor.

Still kind of cute, though. A.B. was in high school at the time. He was embarrassed because kids from school would come to the restaurant, you know, eat with their families, and he would be tees later. Little Selena, however, she loved it. Rina Deerman, a friend who joined them sometimes would play keyboard and sing backup vocals for the family in the early 80s, said that Selena was a complete natural, had it from the very beginning. The restaurant, Papagallos, very successful, so successful that Abe was able to leave his job at Dow, right? Awesome. It took a risk and it paid off for a little while. But shortly after he did that, the U.S. experienced a recession. And the restaurant took a huge hit because people stopped eating out as much. They couldn't afford it. The family lost their business. And because they lost their business, they lost their home as well. According to Suzette, Abraham now started taking them to the grocery store late at night. So no one would see them using food stamps. He was just so embarrassed. He was ashamed.

In 1982, the family moved back to Corpus Christi, looking for work opportunities, and they all stayed in one room in Abraham's brother's house. Damn, just tough-ass times. They were just one more thing going wrong away from being homeless. In total, there were 13 people in the house, a house that had one bathroom. So a lot of cold showers. So much, uh, quantus vices, uh, quanta, quantas vices, uh, a person defecar in a day?

How many times can one person take a shit in a day? Abraham went to a different chemical plant in Corpus Christi to look for work and then another and then another and was continually told he was overqualified which he believed meant he was too old for them to want to invest any time and money into. He was now 53.

Suzette later recalled one time dad took us to a garage that belonged to my uncle Isaac. It was in a really bad part of town. There was a lot of street people walking around and the place was filthy. The floor was covered in oil stains Dad said, look, we can fix this up. We can live here.

Honestly, I couldn't see a dog living there. We all started to cry. Then dad started to cry. He had this expression on his face that was indescribable. You know the pride that a man takes in providing for his family? His pride was gone. He looked defeated. That's when it hit home how bad things were.

Damn, 53 years old. Can't afford to live somewhere that doesn't make his kids literally cry. That had to have been so hard on the soul. And now before we move on to shit turning back around for the Quintanilla family Let's take today's second and two Mitcho sponsor breaks Thanks for listening to those sponsors

Now let's find out what Abe's plan is For keeping a roof over his family's head Abraham Marcella And their kids agreed that they would now try To make their family band successful marking the official start of Salina I los Dinos Wasn't just about having a fun outlet anymore

It was about survival Imagine having your backup against the wall like that my low point that way hit when I was 40 years old when I didn't know if I was going to be able to pay some taxes after fucking up not factoring in how much I owe the IRS at 53 would be so much more painful and I at least had not lost my house or my business I mean it was looking grim but not that grim

man this family has grit Abraham booked them any weekend gigs he could find now he eventually pulled Selena out of junior high had her new correspondence courses so they could travel take gigs wherever those gigs presented themselves Salina did mine. She knew her family needed this. She loved it, and it was working.

Within just a few years, by the mid-80s, they already had several regional hits. Cassette tapes passed around via word of mouth. They were traveling around the country. A.B. said they were playing all sorts of venues and events. If somebody wanted us to play, and they had money, we went. That's code for we did a lot of shitty gigs, and I feel that. Oh, my God.

When I was first starting to stand-up, I once took a gig in a Mexican restaurant. No stage, no mic. No fucking lights. All ages. It was literally a kid's birthday party. The parents were friends of the owner. I did 30 minutes of material I did not have standing in a restaurant with my back to other people just trying to eat who did not want to show. Took another gig one time at a literal barn out in the middle of nowhere in rural Washington,

performing for less than 10 high school football coaches, one of whom was a big stand-up fan. Others could have cared less. Were those gigs fun? Fuck no. They were painful, humiliating. But they paid. I think I got $75 for the Mexican restaurant birthday party. Maybe like $350 for the barn, something like that.

The Quintanilla family, they got creative, you know, with their stage set up at a lot of their early gigs when they were able to set up a stage. They made some lights out of peach cans with colored gels inside. You switch, light switch, excuse me, for different effects, which were run by Marcella during the shows. Everybody in the family working together. Abraham spoke with promoters. He knew from his career as a musician, but he was told that no one wanted to see kids perform. He could only book low-paying gigs in the early years. The kids played in damn near empty venues on many occasions.

Man, empty venues, I fucking feel that too. Weirdest gig I did that way. There was a couple that were very close to this. I think the worst was at Winters Hotel and Casino in Winnemuck, Nevada. I had a 30-minute set on a dance for... The guy after me had to do 60 minutes. It was even worse for him. There was one dude in front of us.

One audience member, Asterick. He was at least 50 feet away, and he was not paying attention to the show. He was playing video poker. at the bar with his back to us literally not watching the show it was just truly like you were just up there talking to yourself uh sometimes the the kids felt discouraged of course he did but abraham would tell them after a tough show he just said or you know going into a tough show play your hearts out went over the people who are here next time we come through they'll remember they'll bring their friends that's a great attitude to have you know he wasn't wrong uh the quintanitas decided to focus

on the tehano music market because abraham knew it uh better than anything else but the kids did not like Tehano music, and none of them spoke Spanish. So now Abraham had to work with Selena, their vocalist on teaching her how to sing in Spanish at least. She had to practice her pronunciation all the time. He would have to translate songs for her. Abraham would sit in the recording studio, correct Selena over and over on how to say this, how to say that, until she got it just right. In order to bolster the band's image, make them look more legit.

Abraham perched the tour bus. Maybe not a great one. It was all they could afford, a 64 eagle, but the family named Big Bertha. this bus had no heat, no AC, but he did frequent repairs. It's like a movie. Suzette said years later, life on the road was fun,

but we missed out on a lot. If we went to a school dance, it was because we were the entertainment. Me and Selena would talk about guys between sets, like, oh, do you see that guy in the front? Oh, we're in the blue shirt. He was so cute. After the performance was over,

when guys would come up and ask for autographs, Dad would tell us straight to the bus. Abraham later admitted I kept him on a short leash. Fans would come up to me in every town We played and say, hey, after the dance, can the band come over to my house? No, it was none of that. I made sure the kids were always with us. You know, I'm good for him, being a protective dad.

And that was life for the family, you know, for about four years, grinding shit out, city to city, good gigs, bad gigs, but they were always together. And they had money for food and money to keep the bus moving along. And then they got to hear themselves on the radio. In 1986, A.B. Quintanilla wrote this song, Dame an Bezo, give me a kiss. which was played on Tahano radio stations in both Mexico and the U.S. And in that same year, Selina would win female vocalists of the year at the Tahano Music Awards in San Antonio, Texas. They're getting some recognition, getting a bit more money.

Then in 1988, to get their first big payday when 17-year-old now, Selena signed a one-year contract with Coca-Cola for 75 grand, equivalent to a little bit over 200 grand today. She was featured in English and Spanish ad campaigns across the country. And now more people are they're seen her, they're hearing about her music, Tejano music is becoming increasingly popular because of Selena Ilostinos and some other Tejano groups

but mostly due to Selena Ilostinos which led to some major record labels opening to new offices in Texas and the next year in 1989 Selena Ilostinos signed with EMI records Jose Behar I mentioned earlier the former president CEO of EMI's Latin Division

will tell Texas monthly I signed Selena Ilostinos on the basis of one performance a colleague and I saw her at the 1989 Tihano Music Award I immediately knew there was something magical about her. She was 17. She already knew how to captivate a crowd.

People noticed Selena, not only because of her talent, but because of her natural beauty, she was basically a model too, and also her signature style. And they're just, you know, that it factor. She just seemed like a good person. Regarding the style, Suzette said about Selena stage outfits, this was the age of Madonna, Janet Jackson, Paula Abdul.

Oh my God, I remember that age. Fucking. Talk about another crush. Talk about another fucking stuff. soccer inside, I used to think for a little while about young Madonna, maybe a little while about Paula Abdul, but for quite a while about Jenna Jackson. My fucking God, she was just a smoke show when she was young. And I had crazy delusions about starting a life with Janet Jackson. Yeah, just some fucking dipshit little white kid from small town Idaho. Janet Jackson's going to

see me like, you, you're the one I want. But anyway, she said, this was the age of Madonna, Jenna Jackson, Paul Abdul Bustiers with black leggings Big belt and boots That was a look Selina would start off a show wearing a bustier with a denim jacket over it and gradually

she would lose the jacket but she always kept it tasteful She was never Descarada Or excuse me Descarada Cheap looking Selina's designer Martin Gomez

She's got a designer She's got a designer now Said that Selena used to make her own bustiers With Victoria's secret bras And Swarovsky crystals And now the dynamic Of the family band changed

Selina was clearly the star that everybody wanted to see. She was the one drawing in the crowds. Jose Behar told her father, the world wants Selena. They don't want Selena and Los Dinos. Selena understood that she needed to evolve. Her dad, Abe, furious.

He asked Jose if he's trying to break up the family band. Behar told him no, they could keep the family band. They could keep playing together. But Selena and Selena alone would need to be featured on the album covers going forward. And Abe reluctantly agreed. According to Behar, Selena's career really started to take off after this.

Soon, Selena and Los Dinos would be playing to crowds of 10,000, 20,000, over 50,000 people. Before this, their biggest show was in front of an audience of maybe 5,000 people. Abe Quintanilla said, in my opinion, Mexinos have always looked down on us because we're Tex-Mex, not Mexican. So I was amazed when they accepted her as one of their own. One Monterey paper called her, an artiste del Pueblo, an artist of the people. It even commented on the color of her skin How it represented the masses of Mexico He was so proud

Selina was now the main provider But he provided the opportunity For her to be able to be that provider He did it Good job, Dad In 1989, now 18 years old Selina experienced another major development In her life meeting her future husband

Chris Perez Christopher Gilbert Perez born August 14th 1969 His parents, Gilbert Perez and Carmen Medina divorced five years later in 1974. Chris lived in San Antonio with his mom and his sister.

She worked full time his mom did, but the family still didn't have much money. He needed food stamps. In his memoir, Chris wrote about how his mom sometimes went without food, even though she's working. So he and his sister could eat. More rags to riches. Something he could relate to with Selena.

Chris learned how to play the French horn in his middle school band. He then decided to teach himself how to play the electric guitar. Because nobody fucks the French horn player. no i don't know there's probably some cool french horn players out there is there is come on in jazz bands but you know but not many let's be honest electric guitar way cooler uh and he got good he got really really good he's also a handsome young dude he had some stage presence uh before joining selina's band chris was playing in a tihano band with another female singer named shelly lanes excuse me shelly shely lanes who that's not reminds me like is that a beetle song penny penny lane i don't know

what we're talking about right now anyway uh shelly and selina were friends because because they were two of the very few women in a very male-dominated Tejano industry. Shelly asked Chris to listen to Selena's new album, Preciosa. Chris was impressed by the music. And, you know, of course, by Selena's beauty when he saw her picture on the album cover.

Chris also knew to Tejano music. He wrote that as a kid, it was, quote, the only music I seriously hated. His dream was to start a heart. I bet his parents listened to it. And he's like, oh, shut the fuck up. His dream was to start a hard rock band in Los Angeles, kind of like early motley crew glam rock vibes

but he felt he had to be realistic he was living with his dad in his apartment in san antonio he's working in his local library his friend tony laura is convinced him to join shelly's band telling chris you know they can make some money doing some dances and weddings better money than the library and so he took a chance he did it took the job joined the band got regular gigs around san antonio

and soon they produced an album then a few months after the album had come out chris met ab quintinia Selena's brother He had heard it and liked it Selina had a show in San Antonio and A.B. and other members of the band came into Chris's recording studio.

A.B. was looking for a guitar player who could really play to Hano music but also helped him cover rock and pop songs. He thought Chris was going to be a perfect fit. So he invites Chris and his band to his show later that day and afterwards A.B. asked him if he wanted to play for Selena.

I'm sure his bandmates were like, fuck. It was good for him. He did, but dad had reservations. Abraham Quintanilla. Not so sure about Chris's image. Didn't want anybody to damage Selena's reputation. But A.B. pushed to have Chris join, and Abraham eventually relented.

Chris actually had a girlfriend in San Antonio, but she wasn't Selena. And he soon fell for the lead vocalist of his new band. One night, over some fucking cheesy slices and sodas, he confessed his feelings for her in a pizza hut. How adorable is that? And she told him she fell the same way. Oh, man, I'm getting lady in the tramp vibes, but in pizza. instead of a, you know, spaghetti. She also told him they needed to keep the relationship a secret from her dad.

Chris told Entertainment Tonight years later that he thought Selena was, quote, beautiful and talented, but it was more than that. He said, I'm a shy person by nature, and there was just something about her that she was able to pull me out. And now let's meet the main fucking psychopath of this episode. It's been very sweet for a little stretch. But now let's meet Yolanda Saldivar, who entered the picture in 1991. That year, Yolanda attended one of Selena's concerts for the first time,

San Antonio the 7th of April at the Market Square. Selena is now 20 years old, Yolanda 31, just for some context. A few years later, Yolanda will say in an interview with the Dallas Morning News, Selena just inspired me with her talent, her motivation. Yolanda Saldivar, born September 19th, 1960 in San Antonio, the youngest of eight kids of Francisco and Juana Saldivar. Her dad went by Frank, worked as a waiter. Her mom, Wana, a homemaker.

They were a very poor family, moved often for financial reasons when they could no longer pay rent or utilities, which meant Yolanda was always changing schools. She became best friends with her brothers and sisters, the only other kids, you know, she had consistency with. She was never a popular girl, but she did, I guess, have a boyfriend for three years at one point when she was in high school. She earned good grades, determined to do well in school. She graduated high school in 1979, and then actually went to college, ended up taking care of her. her brothers three kids who were placed in her custody by the court around the time she went into college. She loved her nephews and niece. They loved her. She worked as a nurse's aide to pay for school to also help raise her niece and nephews and, you know, also help her parents financially.

So damn. She may have, you know, used her hard lot in life, unfortunately, though, to justify taking what was not hers. In the early 80s, Yolana was accused of stealing almost $10,000 from the office of Dr. Faustino Gomez, her employer. That case, Let her settled out of court, but she lost her job, of course. Then in 1990, she finally earned a nursing degree from the University of Texas Health Science Center in San Antonio. They had taken her with all her responsibilities, 10 years to finish, and kudos to her for, you know, pulling that off. She was proud. She should have been proud. First person in her family to earn a college degree, whole family proud of her.

Following her graduation, she took a job in hospice care, then worked the evening shift to the San Antonio Chess Hospital. One coworker interviewed after Yolanda's arrest said she took her job seriously. Her colleagues, you know, at that point her life respected her. Post-high school, though, but there were some signs of things where, you know, going great. Post-high-high-school, Yolanda rarely dated. According to journalist, author Maria Celeste, Al-R-Ras, oh, sorry, her last name's a little tricky for my tongue. Ar-R-Ras, author of El Cicrito de Salina, Selina's Secret.

She was so focused on work and family that, quote, she became a solitary soul with few close friends. Al-Ras wrote that after seen, Selina perform, Yolanda Saldivar, it seems, had found something to be happy about. Like the truest of fan, she lost herself in her admiration for the talented and glamorous artist.

Perhaps she was tired of focusing on her own responsibilities, a family. Now she had something new in her life, someone who perhaps she wanted to imitate in some way. Uh-oh. Yolanda wanted to buy a souvenir to remember the concert, but there was no merchandise, and that was what gave her the idea for the Selena fan club.

She claimed she called Abraham Quintanilla three times to talk to him about this after the concert, not sure how he got his number i'm guessing he was listed you know as her manager somewhere maybe even like an old school phone book uh he would later say that she called him at least 15 times and eventually he agreed to meet with her and they talked about establishing the selina fan club yolanda would act as its president slash manager and it is important to note they agreed that all proceeds from the fan club were to go to charity a detail that will become very important later in this timeline yelanda will not meet selina in person for about eight months not

until December of 1991. During that time, while she set up the fan club, Yulanda continued working in nursing, also kept her parents, kept helping her parents out, actually let him move in with her. Then in 1992, her house was destroyed in a fire. She did not ask the Quintanillas for assistance when that happened, possibly because she didn't know them well enough yet.

But obviously, that's going to create some additional financial pressure and desperation. Must have been awed to have so little and to now be working to help someone who already had so much and to not be paid for it. But that's the deal she made. but you can see how easy it would be for bitterness and resentment to start creeping in if she wasn't careful. Meanwhile, during this tough time for herself, slowly but surely, Yolanda is working her way into Selena's inner circle, earning the trust of not only Selena, but her family as well.

They initially thought she was a nice lady, doing a great job running the fan club. And that fan club, pretty quick, had more than 5,000 diehard members. Also, as this club grows, Selena and Yolanda, they become actual friends. sources close to Selena told Maria Arras that Selena was feeling lonely and Yolanda became her confidant and advisor. The two became so close

Yolanda eventually quit her nursing job to dedicate herself to Selena and that's not good that's not good because Yolanda you know the timeline might be a little off this might be when she works with these boutiques I'll bring up later but the fan club not a paying gig so if she quit

when she was judged at the fan club that's that's crazy Anyway, Selina will send Yolanda cards expressing her deep gratitude for their friendship when she's on tour. She'll also send Yolanda cow-themed presents because Yolanda had a collection of cow figurines at her house. What Yolanda really wanted, though, was money. Also, what no one seemed to realize during this time was that Yolanda was developing a very unhealthy obsession with Selena. It would take a little bit a year or so before people really started to see it and complain about her problematic behavior. Abe was growing worried about his daughter's safety in general as her fame grew.

he told her he did not like her going out by herself but she would tell her father dad you can think all people are bad I can take care of myself right tough but you know I get it meanwhile Selena and Chris continuing their secret relationship

while working in traveling with Selena's father in close quarters some of the band members you know of course soon figure out what's developing between them including siblings A.B. and Suzette they will try to keep the truth away from their dad at least for a while

Abe later said about Chris in his Texas Monthy interview I saw him as a threat What if they got married And he pulled her out of the band All of the work we did All those years We'll go down the tubes

I mean fair He's invested everything In the family band But also this is Not how life works You know You can't control your adult children Well I mean I guess you can

But you shouldn't Susette would be the one To finally tell Abraham And I shouldn't say You can Without adding sometimes You know You can manipulate people

Guilt people But shouldn't Anyway Susette Would be the one To finally tell Abe About the relationship They just finished a show in El Campo, Texas, Chris and Selena, on a bus together, everyone else outside. Suzette comes onto the bus.

She did not look happy to see them together and said, oh God, before she rolled her eyes, walked off the bus. They had no idea she was going to Abraham. You fucking rat, Suzette! Siblings, mostly cool. But also, they often love to gossip or start shit with you when they're pissed. In the past, Suzette told Selena, she would not say anything of Abraham asked about Chris. But a few minutes later, Abraham came onto the bus. told Chris, meet me outside, right?

Big dramatic gulp. Abraham said to Chris, Suzette just told me that she walked onto the bus, saw you and Selena holding hands. I don't know what's going on with you guys, but whatever it is, it stops right now. And then he said, and one more thing, if you say a single word about this conversation to Selena,

I will deny it, and she's going to believe me. And Chris just said, okay, pretty fucked up. Things were, as you can imagine, now extremely tense. Chris was still trying to be with Selena while also trying to keep his job. Suzette and AB now barely spoke to him anymore. They take their dad's side. Abraham is following Selena everywhere she goes.

I'm sure her siblings, they're worried about losing the band if something happens. The young lovers now mostly seen each other only when the band's not traveling. Eventually, of course, Abraham will find out they're still dating and he will immediately fire Chris from the band. On the day he was fired, the band had just finished another show. They're on the way home,

and Abraham pulls over on the side of the road shout to Chris from the driver's seat of the bus. That's it. This is over between you and Selena. Stop now. This is not going to happen. And then he yelled at Selena. This thing between you and Chris, whatever it is.

It's not going to happen. He has nothing to offer you. Selina argues with her father. Chris stays quiet. He doesn't want to make the situation worse. Then when Chris stands up next to Selena as she continues to yell back and forth with her dad, Abraham screams at him.

You know what you are. You're like a cancer in my family. And now Selena shouts back. Don't talk to him that way. I love Chris, and he loves me. Abraham responded incredulously. Of course he loves you. You're beautiful and you're rich.

And now Chris jumps up and shouts, I'm out of here. Screw this. He probably said fuck this. But the girl, screw this. I bet he said fuck this. I'll find my own way home. I don't want to ride in here anyway. So then I now begs Chris not to leave.

She's crying. It's very dramatic. But he's already made his decision saying he's your dad, Selena. I love you. But this is too much stress for me. I have my family. This is yours. And with that, he marches out of the tour bus while Selena sobs, everybody else is fucking quiet, atmosphere, not fun.

Chris will later say in a 2012 interview with CNN regarding Abe's rage, it kind of hurt his pride and his ego to find out that he was the last to know. When things got tense and things were said by him, it hurt me that he was saying it, but I didn't let it get to me because I knew deep down he knew the kind of person I was. Ever rebellious and in throes of passionate, all-consuming young love, the two, of course, continue their relationship. and they see each other as often as they can. Salvee, Lucifina. And then, sick of dating in the shadow, Celine and Chris elope, April 2nd, 1992. Yep, little girl's all grown up, Dad.

Can't dictate her choices anymore. That's a tough transition to life. I'm getting used to it now with my son, Kyler. And preparing for Monroe's transition to adulthood, she's going to turn 18 in just a couple months. She is so spirited and independence. I love it, actually. and I know I will not have shit to say

and what she's going to do. Guessing I'll maybe be sometimes listened to as like an advisor. Maybe sometimes a shoulder to cry on when things don't go right. Who might risk death if I ever say, well, I told you so. Chris had come to Corpus Christi, seeing Selena the night before their elopement.

He was staying in the night in a hotel nearby. That morning Selena knocked on his door, told him, I don't want anybody to be in our way. Let's get married right now. Fuck yeah. you know after that they got it on they used to be in sexo caliente to all the noche excuse me

Selena insisted they had an elopement or that an elopement excuse me was the only way they could be together Abraham would never accept him if they planned a traditional wedding but if he was her husband well he'd have to accept him so they went to the courthouse the next morning and secretly got married

Chris is 22 Selena is 20 media outlets quickly reported of the marriage that was actually how Selena's family found out what she had done through the media. Abe, as you can imagine, not overjoyed, but he felt forced to accept the couple, and he did. Selina's plan had worked, and Chris rejoins the band. Chris and Selena now have to figure out how they can have a happy marriage while working together

and being around each other pretty much 24-7. I get that. You know, Lindsay and I around each other all the time, you know, raising kids, running a business. The key to making that kind of marriage work, I think, is to get your partner to fucking fully submit to your rightful patriarchal authority. No questioning. No sass, no back talk. Just blind obedience.

I have no idea what that would be like, actually. I'm pretty sure the key is mutual respect, compromise, giving each other's space and autonomy when they need it, and, you know, learning and accepting each other's love languages. And, you know, make sure to stay sexually connected. You know, skin to skin, you know, touch is important. Or total submission.

Submission, total. One of those. The young couple struggled with being so intertwined at one point they even consider getting divorced. Chris would later say, it's not like she brought up the idea and I was fighting it because honestly I was right there with her. But ultimately, they worked out their differences

and they decided to stay together. Chris would write in his memoir. It is true that Celine and I sometimes argue, but I don't think that she and I ever experienced anything out of the ordinary. Most couples whose marriage is last reached some point in their lives together or maybe many points,

or they have to decide that they're still committed enough to stay in the relationship. By 1993, Selena is now busier than ever. Her career continuing to ascend to new heights. Her songs are top in the charts. She's working on an English crossover album, developing a clothing line,

planning on to open up some boutiques, two of them. One of Selena's passions outside of music was designing clothes, and she was interested in having her own brand in addition to her music career. At the same year, her family founded Q Productions and Auto Body Shop turned recording studio in Corpus Christi.

Her brother AB said, my dad kept us working hard and that was a good thing because it kept us grounded he never allowed anything to go to our heads we'd have a number one hit and his attitude was

so what he'd say any clown can get to number one the question is can you do it again and again and again he set the bar high I thank him for doing that

because we never settled but once we got to number one there was a lot of pressure on me as a songwriter to come up with another hit I'd think what trick am I going to pull out of my hat now she became huge

so it was a huge responsibility around that time Beyonce The Beyonce met Selena at the Galleria Mall in Houston She later said in an interview with MTV That she didn't say much to her Because at that point, Beyonce was not a celebrity She saw Selena who she admired

And just said hello And quote, kept it moving Pretty funny 1994, Selena now 23 opens her two boutiques called Selena, etc One in San Antonio, another in Corpus Christi The store sold clothing that she was designing And also offered salon services

and because she appeared to be doing such a good job managing the fan club, the Quintania family decides to give Yolanda Saldivar more responsibility and an actual paying job. Abraham later said to an interview that he was the one who suggested Selena hire Yolanda to help run the boutiques. Yolanda became the manager of both of them, and now she's making a good living, earn more trust,

getting more access to some of Selena's business checking accounts, which is fucking crazy, or I guess getting access for the first time to her business checking accounts, even giving a key to Selena's home and Corpus Christi, where Selena and Chris lived next door to Selena's parents. Now, others really start to notice some red flags about Yolanda, but

Selena seems blind to it. Yolanda became, quote, dangerously obsessed with Selena now, according to Selena's designer, Martin Gomez. Martin, who shared an office space with Yolanda, would tell the Washington Post. She was very vindictive. She was very possessive of Selena.

She'd get, like, very angry if you crossed her. She would play so many mind games. Say people had said things they hadn't said. So many things would happen to the clothing I was working on. I knew that I'd finished a certain piece, but I would come back from a trip to New York, and the hams would be ripped out. It was very strange.

Gomez later shared his first impression of Yolanda in another interview, saying, My first impression of Yolanda was that she was very sweet, like a mother figure. You know the kind of person who's carrying that she's so caring that she's almost suffocating? She used to mother me. And she would ask stuff like, do you need anything, miho? He described her as a, quote, little bitty thing, very doughty

this is not the best most flattering description he said she kind of looked like a man she looked like a munchkin I'm sure I'm sure Yolanda loved hearing that description he said that Yolanda once asked him if he thought he was better than her

or if he would like her if she had money and that is some weird shit to ask a co-worker excuse me do you think you're better than me I'm sorry what was that would you like me more if I had more money no I like you just fine you

weird manly little munchkin. Martin also noted that Selena loyally defended Yolanda whenever anyone would criticize her. Yolanda probably guilt tripped her, manipulated, or made Selena think that everybody was, you know, picking on her, bullying her. You know, that man little munchkin ass was fucking getting mistreated. Also, does anyone else immediately start to hear the umpalumpa song in their head whenever they hear the word munchkin? I have to get this out of my system.

I just keep imagining Yolanda singing this at Selena's store now. Upa, oompa doop-de-do I've got a perfect puzzle for you Upa-u-pa-du-pah-du-pah-dip-di-D If you are wise, you'll listen to me Willy Wonka is such a weird fucking movie Gomez also started to think that Yolanda was not just weird that she was a thief He noticed that before Yolanda went on a trip to Mexico

She purchased a bunch of clothes for herself, expensive clothes more than he thought she could afford, which made him suspicious of her accounting. Also described an incident where some models were not paid for their work, and then Yolanda told Abraham that, oh, no, I had given the check to pay the models to Gomez, which he said was not true. Weird lie, suspicious lie.

Gomez also found it odd that it didn't seem like Yolanda had a personal life outside of Selena, and that she lit up to a very weird degree whenever Selina came into the office. He would tell the Washington Post, again in the same interview, Selina treated her very professionally. Selena was a darling girl. Very sweet, very sweet. But I never ever thought Selena treated her special. She was nice to all of us. But it got to the point where Yolanda was the leeway between us and Selena. She was the voice and she tried to shut everyone else out. Going forward, he became more and more suspicious of Yolanda. He began to feel more strongly. She was not just strange and possessive, but that she was bad. But no one seemed to believe him when he said Yolanda was evil. He also started to feel that while Yolanda outwardly expressed adoration for Selena that actually private she was very jealous of her. She didn't want to just be her employee or her friend. She wanted to be

Selena. He said, quote, deep down inside, she knew she was nothing. That's horrible for me to say. But that's what I saw. He really started to feel that way after his seamstress told him about how she went to Yolanda's home to pick up some zippers, saw that she had put up a wall,

excuse me, wall-to-wall photos of Selena, making her home into a type of shrine to the singer, and that is fucking weird. Martin quit working for Selena six weeks before she died, he told the post. The last call I had was Selena, the last call. I told her to be careful. It was very weird.

I was very afraid of Yolanda. But I never thought she would hurt Selena. I never thought it would come to this. Celia Macias, Selena's manicurist and boutique employee, also shared thoughts about Yolanda. She told Texas Monthly in an interview that Selena originally had various friends of hers working at the boutique, but Yolanda was able to get rid of them, just one by one. She said, quote, anyone who captured Selena's attention, she eliminated. All right, she's fucking poison.

Abraham told the outlet, quote, I wasn't running Selena's business. I was so busy with the band that I didn't realize what a problem Yolanda had become until it was too late. So sad. Selina's sister Suzette will say that Selena was too trusting, too naive that because of the way she and Selena had been raised, they thought everybody had a good heart. At the beginning of 1995 now, the boutiques experienced some financial trouble, mostly because, as it will turn out, Yolanda was fucking embezzling. from them but selina still wanted to open up a clothing factory in monterey mexico uh yolanda helped her with this new venture yeah i'm sure she sure she did another place to skim cash off the top and pat her pockets but this factory was not to be well not while selina was alive around the time selina decided to

work with yelanda on it abraham started receiving some complaints from fan club members he said he confronted yolanda in late january of 1995 because multiple parents complained about paying a $22 membership fee for, you know, getting like a t-shirt, a CD, baseball cap, signed poster, and they got absolutely nothing. Yolanda told him that the parents were trying to get Selena items for free. But when Abraham looked at the records, he suspected, no, she was stealing money. Also, $22.2 clearly went a lot farther back then than it does now. Abraham started his own investigation into this. He decided to not tell Selena until he had real evidence against Yolanda. Meanwhile, Selena's musical career is continuing to fucking soar. On February 26, 1995,

she performed for an audience of more than 60,000 fans adoring fans at the Houston Astrodome. That's incredible. She wore her now iconic purple jumpsuit at this concert. A lot of fans thought it was her best performance. Should have just been a taste of what was to come. There is thankfully a good quality recording of it. So let's hear her put those 60,000 people in the palm of her hand. She was perfect that night. Yeah, and her fans recognized it. Woo! Now,

I would like to dedicate this song to all of you because you did this song in exit. The first exit for us. Here, the States of the United like in Mexico. I hope to this

song. Really cool stage setup. She's very, very performative. She's very, very performative. it's just wild like yeah you can tell you you can tell like every single movement of hers on stage is intentional right all those shitty gigs she has played for her entire childhood like all that stage time singing with her dad you know when she was just a little kid you know like a like a fucking toddler you know just just always around music being coached for so long having such passion for it it's just crazy to watch how it culminates in her and she's only 23 here you know just like but like every look every fucking hair is perfectly in place body control vocal control

she seems so at ease on stage yeah she was she was just about to fucking become a massively popular successful you know international star and she was already so successful crazy

and it's just crazy that you know like what 13 years earlier before this performance when she was 10 she's living at her uncle's house a house with one bathroom along with a dozen other family members

right when her dad couldn't find a job parents doing grocery shopping at night because dad's a shame to using food stamps. Now, the rich, her, her, you know, Selena's a star, her star on the rise. No one knew, no one could have known that was going to be her last performance. March 1st, 1995,

Selena attended the Grammys in Los Angeles. She was nominated for Best Mexican-American Performance for her album, Amor Prohibido, forbidden love. As mentioned previously, Selena was working on her first English language album. She'd recently signed a 5 million multi-album contract with SBK records.

She and Chris planned to have a custom dream home built on 10 acres in Corpus Christi. They started talking about having kids. On March 9th, Selena Abraham and Suzette

all confronted Yolanda about the fan club memberships. And she couldn't explain the irregularities. And Abraham fired her. Yolanda is, of course, devastated, right?

She cries, begs for her job. But not only does Abe hold firm, he also tells Yolanda he's going to have the police start an investigation into her embezzlement. Selina now learned that some of her financial records were missing

records she needed to have her taxes completed on time before April 15th and not get a bunch of huge penalties because she's making so much money now asking questions of her own some of Selena's employees at her San Antonio boutique tell her they think that Yolanda has been stealing money for a long time how betrayed she must have felt on March 11th Yolanda Salivar

purchases a 38 caliber snub-nosed revolver at a gun store in San Antonio that fucking piece of shit What she would soon do was clearly Not a heat of the moment Impulsive act It was premeditated After passing a background check

She picks the gun up March 13th According to Chris Perez's memoir Selina and Yolanda Met her car on March 15th So they could get the documents Yolanda handed her some paperwork But not everything she needed Also showed Selena a gun in her purse

Like you know what the fuck Stina was apparently unfazed by this Told Yolanda to return the gun After this meeting Yolanda returned the revolver But it would soon come back into her possession. On March 26, Yolanda Saldivar repurchases the same 38 caliber revolver. Ideos Mio. She then traveled to Monterey, Mexico, where Selena was going to expand her business,

taking Selena's financial documents with her. At some point during the trip, Selina called her, told her you need to bring those documents back. During all of this, Selena's working on a new album. A week before she was killed, she traveled to Tennessee to record with music producer Keith Thomas, recording her song, I Could Fall in Love. On March 30, Yolanda returned from Monterey checked into a day, Yolanda called Selina to tell her she had the rest of the documents. She asked Selena to come alone. Clearly, that evil bitch knew what she was doing,

but Chris insisted on going with her, and now Yolanda still does not give her all the paperwork, which Selena quickly realized after the meeting was over. So she bullshited her, oh, here's everything, and she goes and looks at it, she's like, no, you fucking still didn't give me everything. She should have went to the police this point, should have had a lawyer go meet with Yolanda on her behalf, make it very fucking clear that if she's, she did not hand over the paperwork immediately the police would be paying her a visit which is very easy for me to say and i'm sure selina's family they thought the same shit later but you know this is like somebody she thought was her friend you know even though it was somebody who you know who had showed her a gun before uh she still didn't believe what she was capable of which i i do get you know i've been fucking duped we can all be duped uh that same day yolanda informed selina uh that she had been raped and beaten in mexico something investigators and selina herself would absolutely not

believe ever happened to her. This is some sick, desperate, please don't be mad at me for stealing from you. I'm a victim, gross, manipulative bullshit. Selina being the kind, caring person she was, offered to go with her to the hospital the next day. Yolanda also told Selena, she would give her the latest, or the last of the documents she needed now. Celia Makas was doing Selena's nails the day when she received a phone call from Yolanda. Mokkas later described the conversation to a journalist from Texas Monthly saying, Selina was asking Yolanda to explain things. Why hadn't her fans received the things they've been promised? Why was there money that was unaccounted for? That's when things escalated. Yolanda started freaking out, telling her all these lies,

claiming that she'd been abducted in Mexico. She's crying really loudly. She's slurring her words. She said that she wanted Selena to meet with her. Not knowing it was her final night alive. Selina spent the evening with Chris and her dad, who was in town visiting the couple. On the morning of March 31st, 1995, Selena left home while Chris was still sleeping to meet Yolanda at the day's in. So many family members will later feel so much guilt over none of them accompanying Selena, but she's an adult, and this is how she wanted to handle it. Selina drove Yolanda to the hospital for an exam due to her claim she had been raped, also started to become frustrated because Yolanda's story was not adding up.

She felt like she's being played. She's being lied to, right? She is. The hospital refused to perform a full exam on Yolanda because she's not a Corpus Christi resident, was not in the jurisdiction where the alleged rape occurred. I get the feeling they also just didn't believe Yolanda. So Yolanda and Selena, they go back to the days in. Once there, they get into a very very loud argument inside the room. Once again, Selina asked Yolanda for her fucking documents. A briefcase containing the needed documents will be later found in the room. Yolanda will later say in a police statement, we both argued because I wanted to quit

working for her. I gave her everything I had, the cellular phone and bank files as we argued. Because I wanted to quit. Fuck off. What a weasel. Selina took the briefcase, started walking towards the door or her back was turned. Yolanda, that manly, cowardly munchkin, took that. 38 revolver out of her bag, shot the woman she adored, the woman she had been stealing from,

the woman she wanted to be from approximately two feet away. Selina dropped everything she was carrying, and she now ran for her life. She ran across the hotel grounds, across the parking lot, all the way to the lobby. According to some witness accounts, Yolanda was screaming, you bitch, pursued Selena with the gun in her hand. Selina ran into the lobby at 11.49 a.m., covered in blood, told the hotel employees, locked the door, she'll shoot me again. employee Ruben de Leon kneeled next to her as she hid behind the counter asked ma'am who shot you

Selina said without question Yolanda Saldivar room 158 Barbara Schultz the manager called 911 at 1150 a.m. and said quote we have a woman ran in the lobby she's been shot she's laying on the floor there's blood an ambulance will get there just two minutes later but it'll still be too late the lone bullet had shattered Selena's right shoulder and as it ricocheted off her bone it tore through a lung, veins, and a major artery. She was bleeding very badly. Paramedic, Richard Fredrickson.

Gonna ignore his first name. Not the time to focus on that. Recalled that when he was trying to find a vein to put in an IV, Selena's right hand opened, and a ring fell out. Yolanda had demanded that Selena return a friendship ring she'd given her. That's what she was holding.

I fucking hate Yolanda so much. Philip Randolph, owner of Randolph jewelry and Corpus Christi said that Yolanda had him design the 14-carried gold ring, which had a white gold end. and 52 small diamonds, Yolanda acted like she had bought it for Selena. No, Selena paid for it.

Yolanda bought it with Selena's company card and then asked a jeweler not to tell Selena how it was paid for. The removal of the ring could have been what set Yolanda off. Prosecutor Carlos Valdez would later say Yolanda knew that once Selena walked out of that room, her world was over. She would either go back to being a nobody

or she would go to prison for embezzlement. She was furious at Mr. Quintanilla for accusing her of stealing from the business because that had turned, Selina against her. So she did what she knew would hurt him the most. Fuck, what a scary level of delusion. What a sickening lack of personal responsibility. She should have been furious at herself for being a piece of shit. No one else ruined her life but her. By the time Selena made it to the hospital, she had no pulse, no blood pressure, no heartbeat.

Selina would die during emergency surgery at the Corpus Christi Memorial Hospital from blood loss and cardiac arrest. They did everything they could. They tried to give her a blood transfusion. A surgeon manually would massage her heart to get it to beat again. her life was over. She would be pronounced dead at 105 p.m. A housekeeper later told the Corpus Christi Caller Times that she had heard two women arguing and saw Selena run bleeding out of room 158. She said, quote, Selena ran out of the room and near the pool, and then the girl followed her and shot her while she was running. Witness Carlos Morales, you know, I said parking lot earlier the way I envisioned it, but I'm just going to like take that back and I don't know for sure that she ran to the parking lot. I thought it popped on my head. I don't have that my notes,

so maybe she did not run in the parking lot but she ran across the hotel grounds. Witness Carlos Morales was waiting for a ride outside the lobby when he said Selena approaching he said quote I heard somebody screaming and running and screaming help me so I look back and I didn't know who she was. I just thought oh man she got shot

she ran up to me kind of grabbed on to me so I carried her inside into the lobby and then she crawled in behind the counter Rosario Garza a day's an employee was working in room 215 when she heard loud voices across the pool. Sounded like an argument then she heard a gunshot Went to the door of the room.

She was in, saw two women running. One woman screaming, calling for help while holding her chest. Other woman was chasing her. She saw the second woman had a gun, and that she was aiming it at the first woman, and then she fired another shot. Garza told to call her times, I saw the fire come out of the gun when she shot at her a second time. Garza kept quiet because she didn't want the woman to shoot her too. Her first thought was, oh my God, that lady's crazy.

Yeah. She called the front desk, told him to call the police. She was instructed to stay and hide in her room, so she locked herself in and peeked out the window. She said she saw Yolanda pacing outside room 158, swinging that gun. Garza said, quote, I believe she was confused. She looked outraged. Maybe she was afraid someone had seen her, and she was looking around.

Yolanda went back inside the room. Seconds later, she came back out, got into her truck. But then the police showed up, she was not able to drive out of the parking lot. While Selena was in the hospital, Yolanda gets into an hour's long standoff with the police now. And she said during the standoff, according to the L.A. Times, I didn't mean to do it. I didn't mean to kill anybody. To this day, Yolanda maintains the shooting was an accident.

But witness statements, obviously, would contradict this. Yolanda, truly a pathetic excuse for a human being. She told investigators, she's Selena, you know, she is in Selena, told me, Yolanda, I don't want you to kill yourself. She opened the door. When I told her to close it, the gun went off. Uh-huh. Yeah, you totally didn't chase her, shoot her in the back, and try and shoot her again.

You fucking hateful munchkin. Hostage negotiators were brought in. Yolanda told them, her father hates me. Her father's responsible for this. Nah, that's 100% on you. According to lead negotiator, Larry Rucker Young, quote, I was on the phone with her for seven and a half hours. Yolanda didn't ask for anything.

What she wanted really was to hear what was going on with Selena. Her condition, she wanted someone to hear her story, that they are best friends, that she loves Selena, she admires Selena, she would do anything for her. Yolanda finally surrendered at 9.35 p.m. By this point, stories all over the news. Pamela Calloff wrote for Texas Monthly as reports of Selena's death broke on the afternoon of Friday, March 31st, 1995, South Texas was consumed by grief. Anguished fans gathered at the days in where she had been shot at her clothing boutiques in Corpus Christi in San Antonio, which were hastily transformed into shrines and at impromptu vigils around the country.

Outside Selena's home, mourners paid tribute with flowers and photographs. The line of waiting cars measured five blocks long. Around the clock news coverage on Spanish language television and radio stations was followed by front-page stories in the New York Times and other major newspapers which compared her killing to the shooting of John Lennon. Journalist Joe Nick Potoski told Kalloff, I went to the days in two days after the shooting, and there were a lot of people milling around with dazed expressions on their faces.

One guy to hitchhike from Michigan, he put his thumb out as soon as he had heard the news and arrived at the days in that morning. The doorway to the room where Selena was shot had been turned into a shrine. and people were retracing her steps from room to the motel office. I remember it was very quiet and nobody was talking. There were people on their hands and knees in the St. Augustine grass, looking for blood, mementos, anything, trying to make sense of it all. Yolanda was booked into jail early on April 1st.

April Fool's Day. What a fucking fool she is. And she was charged with murder. Her bond set at $100,000. She's moved to a private cell because of Selena's fans. Over 100 people called to make death threats or ask for information. about her. People were waiting outside the jail because they thought she would make bond and if she did, they were literally ready to kill her. Many inmates in the jail, also fans of

Selena also wanted her dead. Selina's funeral was held at the Bayfront Plaza Convention Center in Corpus Christi, which would become the American Bank Center, which actually just changed his name again just a couple weeks ago to the Hilliard Center. On April 2nd, 1995, people started lining up to see her casket around 4 a.m. Later that day, her family chose to open the casket because there were rumors that Selena was not actually dead. The fans just did not want to believe it. The funeral would not end until 10 p.m., almost 60,000 people had come to see Selena and pay their respects.

Assistant Police Chief Ken A. Bung, I love this last name as Bung. He said at a news conference on April 2nd that Selena came to the motel to terminate Yolanda's employment. Selina was conscious when the police got to the days in and made a spontaneous statement, which an off-duty officer and motel employees heard before she. died. Abraham described Yolanda Saldivar as a disgruntled ex-employee. He added, when we presented her with all the proof that she was embezzling money, she just lost it, I guess. Man, that poor bastard. Abraham told the New York Times, I don't know why it happened. We live in a crazy world,

a dangerous world. Man, true then and true now, right? Selena was a trusting person. She didn't realize how popular she was. She didn't realize there were people out there who would harm her. That trust that she had for people is what took her life. He said about Yolanda, I saw it coming. Not to that extreme, of course, but I knew this woman was a bomb, a time bomb. I didn't see it until we started cornering her with evidence of embezzlement, and she turned into an animal. Selina's family were, of course, completely devastated by the loss. Her sister, Suzette, said, everybody deals with grief differently. I used to get out all my photos and open up my sister's traveling makeup case so I could smell her. I took over the boutiques because I knew Selena would have wanted to keep them

going but it was traumatic all day every day people came into the store to tell me how much they love my sister and sometimes i had to go into the back and just cry and cry to this day she said in this interview was in uh 2010 to this day my mother doesn't talk publicly about what happened chris kind of shut down he left everything in the house exactly as it was the day she died dad consumed himself with work my mother told me once your father cries in the shower because he doesn't want me to know he's crying he thinks i can't hear him but i can't Fuck, just so much sadness Chris Perez would tell Texas monthly

Also in 2010 15 years after this happened My dad's marriage was over My band was over We had talked about having kids While we were still young But that was over Everything ended

Just like that Oof Selina's brother AB Did I say Yeah Chris Perez You know her widowed husband If I didn't say that already Selina's brother AB talked about

How he missed performing with Selena saying, nothing will ever be the same as sharing the stage with my sister. When we performed in Central America, there were times when the emotion was so overwhelming I would start to cry. I would turn away from the crowd and act like something was wrong with the amplifier until I gathered myself. You have to understand she was generating electricity and I was part of that conductor. After she passed away, I played my own music at the Astrodome. I played in Estadio Azteca in Mexico City for 125,000 people, but I was never able to recreate that high again. No matter how far

I've gone with my own music, it's never had the same flavor. It's like food without salt. Man, what a painfully honest, vulnerable thing to admit. Elamaba Tanto, Tanto, Asu Harmana. On April 6, 1995, Yolanda Salisovar pleaded not guilty to murder after being indicted by a new Aces, county grand jury,

of course. Three and a half months, because, you know, she's a victim. Three and a half months after her murder, Selina's crossover album, Dreaming of You is released July 18, 1995, and it sells 175,000 copies that same fucking day. Just a few weeks later, August 5th, the album hits number one in the Billboard 200 albums chart, first Latin album to ever do so. Dreaming a U also won female pop album of the year at the Billboard Latin Music Awards. Jury selection for Yolanda Sal Devar's murder trial starts October 9th, 1995. Testimony begins October 11th. Nuisas County, D.A., Carlos Valdez

led the prosecution. defended by Douglas Tinker. It sounds right. I don't like her odds of beating the charges, you know, with all the evidence, and with Mr. Tinker for an attorney.

Sounds like a fucking side character and Better Call Saul. I picture Mr. Tinker having a real slight bill and a nervous disposition. And to have heard some version of, man, shut the fuck up, Tinker. Like, you know, several thousand times in his life.

Actually, I picture like George McFly from back to the future. Hey, I'm talking to you, McFly, you Irish bug. Oh, hey, Biff. Hey, guys. are you doing? You got my homework finished, McFly? Uh, well, actually, I figured

since it wasn't due till Monday. Hello? Hello? Anybody home? Uh, D.A. Valdez called a shooting, a senseless and cowardly act of violence. Douglas Tinker, my God, my God, it's just truly not a strong name. I wonder if you also went by Douglas instead of Doug. I hope so. Douglas Tinker, so this is, that does not present a powerful image to me. Uh, told the jury

that Yolanda was Selena's trusted friend, and Abraham Kudanilla tried to separate them because he wanted to control Selena. Abraham denied those weak-ass accusations on the stand. Tinker said that Yolanda was asked to manage Selena's boutiques in Corpus Christi and San Antonio, but that Abe did not approve the boutiques. Excuse me, started making efforts to hurt the businesses and split the women up. Tinker argued Yolanda was a challenge to the control that Abraham Quintanilla had over Selina.

He said that Abraham allegedly threatened Yolanda, so she bought a handgun because she was afraid of him. Mm-hmm. And she hired an attorney to draft a resignation. letter oh yeah totally because she had so many other options uh she stopped meeting selina at the recording studio started meeting in hotels so big old scary abraham wouldn't know about it uh selina comforted her told yelonda not to quit begged her not to quit so she returned the gun to the store uh tinker then described the events lead up to selina's murder to the jury when yolanda

and her niece were traveling to monterey mexico a stranger followed yolanda as she drove and she was so scared she had to repurchase the gun totally uh yelanda met selina the days in march 30 to avoid a confrontation with Abraham. The next day, Yolanda told Selena, she was raped in Mexico, wanted to go to the hospital. When they returned to the hotel, they got into an argument over fan club records.

Selina dumped the records from a box onto the bed. The gun just, you know, happened to fall out. Tinker told the jury, Yolanda is somewhat hysterical. Yolanda at that time says she's going to commit suicide, that she can't stand it anymore. She started waving the gun around, and it, you know, it accidentally went off. According to Tinker, quote,

Yolanda didn't know Selena had been hit. Uh-huh. During the nine and a half hour standoff, Yolanda told the police, I didn't mean to shoot her, the gun just went off. During questioning after her arrest, Yolanda did not say

that the shooting was an accident or say anything about it being intentional, but a Texas ranger at the station overheard her say she did not mean to shoot Selena. The ranger did not include in written reports that Yolanda said the shooting was an accident. He eventually told another ranger who told prosecutors.

Abraham quit Dena, his daughter, Suzette, Selena's husband, Chris Perez. Two gun shop owners would testify at the trial. Abraham testified that he said, suspected Yolanda was stealing money from the fan club, which, you know, was a nonprofit organization as I went over, also thought she was stealing from the boutique accounts, which she managed. He confronted Yolanda, March 9th, Selena and Suzette, both present. Abraham testified he told Yolanda he was going to the police.

He then saw her the next day at the office of Selena, et cetera, and Corpus Christi told her, you're no longer welcome here. Chris Perez, Suzette confirmed that Selena fired Yolanda from her job as boutique manager because, you know, they're suspicious of having her, she stole money. Perez and Suzette denied that Abraham was a controlling father who did not want Selena around Yolanda as the defense alleged Additionally, Mike McDonald, owner of a place to shoot in San Antonio testified that Yolanda told him she was a home nurse

for terminally ill patients and obviously definitely a lie said she wanted the gun because she was being threatened by her patients family members why she lying Nora Martinez former days in housekeeper testified she saw Yolanda chasing Selena Martina said she just yelled and called her bitch. She added, I saw

a lady come out of room 158. 158, she was just coming out, running out, and yelling help, help. She said she saw Yolanda carrying a gun chasing after Selena, quote, she was running in black, or excuse me, in back of Selena, pointing the gun at her. She did not look like she was angry or anything,

she said. And then she said she witnessed Yolanda put the gun down and walked back to the room. When the DA pointed out the Martinez had not included the word bitch in her statement from March 31st, she claimed she did not say it because she respected the police too much, did not like to use profanity, also testified that she did not see the first shot fired, but in her statement to police, said she saw the gun being fired a second time. In court, she said the officer who took her statements likely wrote things down incorrectly.

Patricia Biggs, former director of nurses at the doctor's regional medical center in Corpus Christi, testified she was working when Yolanda and Selena came into the ER, well, sorry, not both of them, just Selena came into the ER. Oh, no, no, I'm sorry. Sorry, I thought I wrote something wrong for the first. No, this is about the supposed rape. Yes, she was working. When Yolanda came with Selena into the ER,

Yolanda claimed she was raped the day before by two men who threw her onto the side of the road. She said she was experiencing neck pain and vaginal bleeding because the alleged, oh my God, because the alleged rape occurred in Mexico, they could not collect evidence. So she told Yolanda to go to a hospital in San Antonio. Biggs testified that at first

Selena and Yolanda, quote, acted like sisters, but Selena's attitude changed the longer they were there. According to her, Selena clearly did not believe Yolanda's story. Nurse Carla Anthony testified that Yolanda had some red marks on her neck. Yolanda said she'd been hit in the stomach with a bat, but had no bruises to indicate that happened. Selina was encouraging Yolanda to talk. She was standing behind her, stroking her hair,

where she was standing, Yolanda could not see her, and as Yolanda talked, Selena tapped Carla's arm, shook her head like no uh they walk outside the room together selina then tells her that yolanda is not telling the same story that she had told earlier but she wanted carla to be quiet so yolanda would not hear their conversation witness reuben de leone who was working in the days in lobby when selina ran in bleeding testified that when he asked selina who shot her she told him right again as i went over earlier yolanda yolanda salivar room 158 uh the prosecution also presented the log kept by the hostage negotiators during the standoff at one 30 p m yolanda

Launa told the police that Abraham, quote, spread a lot of evil. Uh-huh. She told the police, I never meant to hurt anybody. I'm going to have to do it. I'm going to kill myself. I have to kill myself. They should have just been like, okay. All right.

Go ahead. We'll give you space. 5.25 p.m. She listened to the radio. He heard a report that she had killed Selena. She became hysterical and said, I want to go with her. I don't want to come out alive. And again, maybe they could have been like, uh, okay.

You know, it's a free country. Uh, Yolanda repeatedly said, I want to kill myself. I don't want to live anymore. I don't deserve to live after what I've done. Yolanda again claimed she was raped, saying, quote, he stuck a stick in my vagina now and he raped me, so now it's one guy not two.

He said, if I told anybody, he would kill me and my parents. Her story just constantly changes, because it's a lie. When Larry Young, the hostage negotiator, asked who raped her, Yulanda said, her father,

he asked Abraham, and Yulana said yes. My God, first is some stranger in Mexico, then it's two strangers in Mexico, then it's back to one stranger in Mexico. Now it's Selena's dad. What a fucking disfewing.

respectful thing to do to actual rape victims, of which there are many. Yolanda truly has zero self-respect. No shame, no honor. Eia is una para malavara. According to Corpus Christi, Sergeant John Houston, she said, he made me shoot. He made me shoot her, like talking about

Abraham. Her father is responsible for this. She talked about the father coming between us. Earlier, Abraham Quintanilla testified that he had never threatened Yolanda, never had sex with her, never raped her. Right, just so frustrating that you even had to say that, Sergeant Joe Claire testified about the standoff, we told her to put the gun down and come outside and talk.

She continued to cry. At this point, she said, I did something very bad. I have disgraced my family. She said, forgive me, God, for what I did. Yolanda was recorded saying she did not mean to shoot Selena, quote, I was telling her I was going to kill myself and the guy went off. I didn't mean to kill her. I was going to kill myself, not Selena. However, Sergeant Larry Young testified that Yulina did not say that, did not say it was an accident until 7 p.m. But then, the Washington Post reported the Young testified that Yolanda said she did not mean to shoot Selina before the recording equipment was ever brought in. Texas Ranger Robert Garza testified that Yolanda said the shooting was an accident, but that that was omitted from her sign statement.

Right? She had her stories all over the place. Corpus Christi police sergeant Paul Rivera, one of the officers who took the statement, testified that Yulanda never said it was an accident and signed the statement as far as murdering Selena as being accurate. Garza was watching from an adjoining room. Dr. Lewis Elkins testified about the efforts to save Selena's life. So fucking sad.

He said the doctors established. a brief but erratic heartbeat, but Selina was already brain dead. By the time he was prepping Selina for surgery, an ER doctor had reached inside her chest, was massaging her heart to try to get it to beat again. She had a breathing tube down her throat, a clamp on her subclavian artery, which was

completely cut in two, according to Elkins. Even if they've been able to get her heart to work again, he said she would have still been brain dead. Elkins testified that part of the efforts to save Selena included blood transfusions, the bullet damaged her right shoulder, lung, veins, and artery. His testimony addressed

reports that Abraham was upset about the transfusions due to religious beliefs, and Abraham would tell Corpus Christi Station 3 News, Selina was given blood by the doctor when she arrived to the emergency room after she was shot. For 26 years, I have read on social media, people criticizing me that Selena died because I didn't want to give her blood, that it was religious fanaticism. They are incorrect, completely incorrect. The defense rested October 20th, 1995, after presenting just a half day of testimony. Two witnesses contradicted those who testified that Selena feared

Yolanda would shoot her again. Douglas Tinker, fucking Tinker Town, also told the court that he would most likely not ask the jury to consider any charge less severe than murder, because they had shown that the shooting was an accident, and Yolanda was therefore not guilty of anything.

He had to have known. He was going to lose, right? Maybe he had enough integrity to hope he was going to lose. That strategy would not work out during the defense's closing argument fred haggins a civil attorney assisting tinker how was fucking tinker not the assistant said each of you told us that in your soul in your gut that you started this case with the belief that yolanda salivar was innocent did they you said you would hold the state to a burden of proof beyond a reasonable doubt i bet they said that like they would you know

assume that she might be innocent uh he said this is a tragic accident there is no doubt Yolanda Saldivar acknowledged the tragic loss of Selena and all of us share in this grief. And then County DA, Carlos Valdez, leading the prosecution said, I wish there was something I could do. I would do anything if those doors would open in the back and she would walk in. Her smile would light up this room. You can do the next best thing. Make sure this doesn't happen again.

The way to do that is find the defendant guilty. Yeah? Good speech. October 23rd, 1995, after only two hours of deliberation, Yolanda Saldivar is found guilty of first-degree murder. On October 26th, Yolanda sentenced to life in prison with the possibility of parole after 30 years. When asked if she had anything to say,

she answered with just two words, No, sir. She did not read from Catcher on the Right. A few months later, Yolanda gave an interview with Deborah Roberts from ABC's 2020. Yolanda told Roberts, excuse me, they made me out to be a monster, and I just want to say I did not kill Selena.

It was an accident, and my conscience is clear. Fuck you, you little. troll. Yolanda said she loves Selena like a daughter now, and that Selena called her mom. Prosecutor Carlos Valdez was also interviewed, and he said, the defendant had wrapped up her whole life around Selena Quintilla, or Quintania Perez. Her whole world was walking out the door, and she wouldn't stand for it, so she shot her. Yeah, bingo, selfish, evil, cowardly act. Yolanda, ever the liar, living in her own world, denied that Selena fired her that day and said this is so absurd. She said, quote, she never told me that.

I was telling her to leave. Some people, I said, it's over, Selena, it's over. I can't work for you no more. She went down, she grabbed my feet and told me not to leave her. And I picked her up and I told her, just leave. And I grabbed the gun, put it to my head. I pulled the thing back and I said, if you don't leave, I'm going to do it, Selena. And she got up and she said, Mom, we need to talk about this.

We need to talk about this. I'm going to close the door. And when she was walking to the door, she was going at an angle. and I told her don't close the door and in that instant the gun went off such a delusional freak if only she would have blown her brains out that would have been a million fucking times better

than what she actually did Yolanda said she didn't even know that Selina had been shot despite the fact that there was blood in the door okay she denied stealing money from the family of course however Abe Kondinia told 2020 that he had evidence good evidence Yolanda had embezzled

well over $100,000 again she said that she had purchased the gun because Abraham threatened her when asked if she would do anything differently she said I would want her to kill me oh we all would Yolanda we all would also give an interview with the program

behind the music and invent some new lies she's like a pathological liar the Salte of our family gave behind the music two letters from a man named Lorenzo Salinas Yolanda claims she and Salina met Salinas in Mexico early 1995 but behind the music could not find him or confirm his

existence Yolanda alleged that Selena told her quote exactly what I've been saying all along, which is what? She said she knew the truth, or that he knew the truth, whatever that was, and knew that she had things that would eventually say it all. Uh-huh. Just speaking gibberish. Yulana claimed that before the shooting, she found some videos damaging to Selena's career

and a diary that corroborated some information on some tapes that she knew about but can't say what's on them. Uh-huh. She said in his letter, Selina's question. claimed he was hired to beat up Yolanda and get these mystery tapes and mystery diary as part of an extortion scheme. She's

had a lot of time to think about this. Yolanda said she was attacked but managed to get away. She claimed the evidence could be, now she wasn't attacked by Abe. She claimed the evidence could be found in the safe deposit box in Monterey, Mexico. This is starting to feel just as confusing, manipulative, and just full of bullshit as all

the current fucking story twisting being done about former two-episode suck subject, Jeffrey Epstein, if you've been paying attention to that shit show, pretty soon we're going to hear from politicians that he was a good guy, that he was protecting teens from Pitos. It's just fucking crazy. The lies people try and pull up. It's crazier to me that people will believe them.

Oh my God, the easiest way to tell that somebody is definitely lying is if their story keeps changing. And it doesn't make sense. It's very easy to keep repeating the truth and have it be the same. Very hard to twist an obvious lie into a believable truth. Yolanda's new attorney, Ramiro Estrada, went to Monterey with behind the music to look for this fucking fictitious safety deposit box at various bank locations that Yolanda referred to. But they found nothing because it doesn't exist. Only a fucking idiot would believe it ever existed with Yolanda's past.

March 21st, 1997, Jennifer Lopez, stars as Selena in a biopic about her life, Abraham Kudanilla, helped with the production. The role originally actually is supposed to go to Salma Hayek, but she felt, I guess, movie was being made too close to Selina's death. Jennifer Lopez, she would kill it. She'd become the first Latina actor to earn over a million dollars for a movie role, received a Golden Globe nomination for her performance, went from being virtually unknown, from being a backup dancer on a living color to a superstar. 1998, the Kuntiniya family opens the Selena Museum in Corpus Christi. The museum displays Selena's wardrobe, awards, memorabilia, her Porsche, tour bus, recreation of the recording studio. I just checked and they're still open, you know, and good

for them. I love that they're doing their best to keep her memory live. October 1st, 1998, Yolanda Sal Devar's appeal is denied, of course, because she's a fucking clown. August 18th, 1999, the Texas Court of Criminal Appeals denies a discretionary review of Yolana's case. After Selena's death, Selena's brother, A.B. Quintania, goes on to find the, to found the band's Coombia Kings and Coombia All-Stars in 1999 and 2006, respectively. And over the years, also has written a number of songs for a number of other

artists that have been on the radio. He's done it very well. Both of those bands had gold records. Got a lot of radio airplay. 2001, Selena's widowed husband, Chris Perez, remarries to actress Vanessa Villanueva. They have two kids together before ultimately separating in 2008. Chris spoke with New York Post, the New York Post, about his second marriage saying, when I got remarried, that was me trying to downplay Selena's death in my life.

It was too painful. I never talked about Selena's death. getting remarried starting my new life as a way to get over losing her I thought getting married would help and it did but the pain is still there it'll always be there Chris continued his career in the music industry

after Selena's death formed the Chris Perez band in 1999 they released their first album Resurrection which won a Grammy for Best Latin Rock alternative album 2002 the band released another album but then soon disbanded so he did become you know

the rock star he had once dreamed to be coming Chris continued playing with AB's groups Kumbia Kings, Coombia All-Stars. It's pretty special that he kept playing with Selena's brother. He is reportedly

still very close with her family today. He later formed another band called the Chris Perez Project in 2010. Very talented musician.

Meanwhile, Yolanda, still trying to get out of prison. Another one of her appeals quickly dismissed. February 2nd, 2009, March 17, 2010,

Yolanda's petition challenging her conviction is denied. Love it. 2012, Chris Perez publishes a memoir to Selena with love.

And that was his time really opening it up about his marriage, how he was affected by Selena's death. December 9, 2014, Key TV and Corpus Christi reported that Yolanda was mounting a new effort for early release. Carlos Valdez told Keytivie that Yolanda argued her defense failed to refuse to interview witnesses and introduce exculpatory physical evidence. And then the fake news site, National Report, announced that Yolanda could get out of prison on January 1st due to failing health and recent legal modifications.

Selena fans go fucking wild on the internet when news of this upcoming release spreads. The site even created a fake petition to look like a real petition on change.org, which got 4,000 supporters in a day. All bullshit. She's not being considered for release. December 2nd, 2016, Abraham Quintanilla, files a lawsuit against Chris Perez. His company blew Mariachi productions and end them all shine North America. Well, why? Chris, because Chris had plans to turn his memoir into a TV show. Abe not feeling that. Two months after Selena died, Abe had retained a lawyer who drew up a legal agreement that would give him full control over Selena's name, voice, signature, photograph, and likeness,

and his suit alleged that Chris violated this agreement, given him the rights to Selena's image. Per the agreement, Chris got part of the proceeds from the exploitation of the entertainment properties. Quintini argued that Chris's book was unauthorized and signed the deal with Endemal Shine, also a violation. Prez argued that he had signed the contract under duress, and then eventually this suit will be dismissed. The show will go away. Abe and Chris will patch things up again and, you know, again, just go back to getting along. November 3rd, 2017, Selena's memory is honored with a star on the Hollywood Walk of Fame.

In 2019, Yolanda Saldivar, back at it. Still requests a new trial. In a federal petition now filed March 28th, she expressed her belief that the prosecutor withheld evidence that could have proved her innocence. And you know what? Fuck off evil munch control. What do you get when you guzzle down sweets? Eating as much as an elephant eats. What are you at getting terror of?

fat what do you think will come of that she said the prosecutor Carlos Valdez presented a pair of white tennis shoes and a black baseball cap during an interview in March 2018 and those items not introduced as evidence at trial because you know if those would have been introduced as evidence oh that would have changed everything clearly she has not accepted what she did

Valdez had presented the evidence in a Spanish media interview Jolanda claimed you know those items were worn by Selena not her. Her petition argued that the shoes were important because the court of appeals opined that she shot Selena in the back as she walked towards the door, which indicated the shooting occurred inside, not outside, which witnesses verified. The court of appeals essentially filed her claim in the shut up who gives a shit folder. In December of 2020, Selena the series starring Walking Dead actress Christian Seratos premiered on Netflix, Serena's siblings, A.B. and Suzette, both executive producers of the series. Suzette, by the way, stopped drumming in 1995, two years before Selina died. She married Bill Ariaga, and they have a son named Hoven. Hovan, there we go.

Suzette became the CEO and president of Q Productions. Also, it manages the Selena Museum, coordinates licensing for Selena collaborations with various companies, such as Mac Cosmetics. Suzette spoke with Refinery29.com in January of 2020 about her sister's legacy, saying, when Selena passed away, the three things she was working on was her. clothing line, a makeup line, and a perfume line. I promise myself that by the time I leave this world, I will accomplish what she started, what she held dear to her heart. The Selena Netflix series ended up perceiving criticism because of the casting of Christian Seratos, Vanessa Angelica, Vill Real wrote for Harper's Bazaar, the show's creators chose

to erase all traces of Selena's specificity. Instead, on screen is a slimmer, lighter-skinned, middle-class, coated, quieter version of Selina's former self. Alex Zaragoza wrote for Vice. The series is a Disney-fied retelling of Selena's life that focuses more on her father, Abraham Cantania, and his iron-like grip on the family which borders on abusive.

Again, I'm reminded of the Jackson Five. Malamunoz, co-host of the Locatoro radio podcast, said in her interview with Vice, that there is, quote, a history of Selena's features being slimmed down and made to look more European. When watching the series, it was impossible to ignore how much Sarados looks like Lopez playing Selena, not Selena herself.

May of 2021, Abraham Quintanilla published his memoir, A Father's Dream, My Family's Journey in Music. He acknowledged that it could be seen as an attempt to capitalize on Selena, but he wrote that it felt like it was time for him to tell his story as we lived it. And now, jumping up to this year, Yolanda Salivar, back in the news. She was up for parole back in March of 2025. Just before her hearing, which was on March 27th, Abraham Quintanilla, spoke about the possibility of Yolanda being released

in an interview with the Univision. He said, when it comes to my family and I, we don't care if they release her today. They can let her go. Nothing will bring my daughter back. Fair. Unfortunately, Yolanda was released. However, with the stipulation

that she remain in the Mid-Atlantic tiny nation of Lumpeland. A few weeks ago, she released the following statement from Lumpa Land to her YouTube channel, which is at Manly Little Liar. So, you know, make it that way to listen to me. So, you know, make it that what you will. For real, of course, she was not released. She still has not taken a shred of responsibility for either stealing from Selena and her family or killing Selina in Cold Blood. The parole board gave the following reasoning for their denial of her parole. The record indicates that the offense has elements of brutality, violence, assaulted behavior, or conscious selection of victims' vulnerability indicating a conscious

disregard for the lives, safety, or property of others, such that that the offender poses a continuing threat to public safety. Sal Devar, who will turn 65, by the time you hear this, is incarcerated at the Patrick L. O'Daniel Unit in Gatesville, Texas, Texas Department of Criminal Justice, Prison, Housing, Female Offenders, the Quintanilla family and Salina's former husband Chris Perez posted a joint statement following announcement. Today we are grateful that the Texas Board of Pardons and Paroles has chosen to deny parole for Yolanda Saldivar, read the statement. While nothing can bring Selena back, this decision reaffirms that justice continues to stand

for the beautiful life that was taken from us and from millions of, excuse me, and from millions of fans around the world far too soon. Four days following the hearing, March 31st was the 30th anniversary of Selena's death. Yolanda Saldivar will next be eligible for parole in March of 2030 when she will be 69 years old Hopefully she'll die before then She certainly, I would bet my life Will not fucking actually take responsibility

For what she did before then And that is it for this timeline O'Hala Toviera A finale More Feliz Good job, soldier You've made it back

Barely Selena Quintanilla Perez Better known as just Selena What a beautiful meat sack she was Inside and Out So phenomenally talented Such a bright light If only she could have shined so much longer

I mean she still shines through her Through her recordings But you know She was here to enjoy all that And create so much more music And just yeah just be alive and fucking love her life But she was snuffed out by somebody so dark So small

and I'm not talking about Yolanda's height there talking about her mentality so sad that some people think that the only way to be somebody is to be famous try and think about the three most influential people in your life right now right are all three of them famous or are some or all of them

you know family members a coach a teacher professor a neighbor somebody else in your community who's not an actor not a YouTuber or a podcaster not a musical act etc you know one great way to be somebody is to volunteer another way even easier show up for your kids as a parent show up for your parents as a child show up for your friends as a friend show up for your neighbors as a good neighbor you know be kind uh be a kind carrying pet owner show up for that fucking little bundle

of furry love uh that you have a creature 100% dependent on you for their food for their well-being for life well lived there are so many ways to be somebody you know my experience i've walked with walked away with the same feeling every time I've been around somebody like this somebody who desperately wanted to be famous for the sake primarily of fame alone and it's just gross it's a hollow desperate

dark repulsive energy just like you can see this fucking pit in them that they just can't fill this narcissistic pit about people who really want to be good people who want to treat those around them with kindness people who want to be a caring friend neighbor parent partner etc

man my cup feels full when I'm in their presence still feels full when I walk away, you know? You might not know their name, but they're sure somebody to me. From everything I've read, both, you know, what I've shared and what I didn't share, Selena was one of those people. Yes, she had a beautiful voice.

Yes, a beautiful face, a beautiful body, a sex symbol, beautiful style, but most impressively, truly had a beautiful heart. She was in every way the opposite of the sad, disgusting, cautionary tale that is Yolanda Saldivar, just a fucking walking pity party.

Selena has now been dead longer than she was alive, but her legacy continues to inspire. She will continue to provide representation to a still largely represented group of young women, inspiring them to follow their dreams, no matter what they look like, no matter where they come from, no matter what their background is, no matter how many assholes out in the world may view them. Salve Selina. Que to lose, brille, for siempre. Number one, Selina Quintanilla Perez became known as the Queen of Tejano. As a young woman, she rose to the top of a largely male-dominated industry and brought others up along with her. She won numerous Tejano Music Awards, sold millions of albums, won a Grammy, naturally talented, but also hardworking, able to sing, dance, entertain her audiences, with the support of her family band behind her. Extremely beautiful in a way that deviated from traditional beauty standards at the time.

What people loved the most about her, though, was that she had a hard. humble spirit. She was known for being kind to everyone, never letting that fame get to her head. Selina tried to see the good in everybody, to a fault. It was a trusting person. Which is likely why she did not notice something was off about Yolanda. Oh, not in time. Number two,

Selena had a Romeo and Julia type romance with her lead guitarist, Chris Perez. The two fell in love soon after he joined the band, even though Selena was forbidden from dating by her father, which is a little wild. They maintained a secret romance, but Abraham Quintania found out, Chris quit the band. They decided, well,

kind of fired. They decided that the only way they could be together was to elope. They were so deeply in love with each other, although they had their problems. Selina was killed

two days before their third anniversary. Number three, Selena Quintania was murdered by Yolanda Salivar, her fan club presidents over a period of a few years. Less than three, I guess. Yolanda established herself

as a close friend of Selena's. She felt threatened by other people who were close to the singer. Her obsession reached wildly unhealthy levels. Yolanda became so dependent on Selena's friendship that she killed her.

when Selena ended things after she was caught embezzling money from the business. Number four, is possible that Yolano Saldivar could be released in 2030 when she is next up for parole, but I doubt it. She will continue to refuse to accept responsibility for her crimes. And number five, new info, did Selena Quintanilla have an affair? That was a rumor that went around, a rumor that Salia was, Selena was unfaithful. It was first spread directly after Yolana's conviction. in 1997, Maria Celeste Auraas, former anchor of Univision program, premier impacto, published the book Selina's Secret,

The Revealing Story Behind Her Tragic Death. The book was generally not received, well, the Quintanilla family. They've spoken out against it. I wouldn't read it. Arirass told the Huffington Post in 2015 before the new edition of the book was published. The official version out there was she was at the time. the height of her career, what she was, she was climbing and doing fantastic, that everything in her life was perfect, and this bullet killed her, end of story. And Yolanda Saldivar did it because

she was a thief, but the story is much more rich than that, and much more elaborate than that. And the fact is that Salina's life at the time of her death, excuse me, was far from perfect. She was a victim of a lot of people who were trying to manipulate her and that loved her, just like she loved them. But when you're in a situation of power, you get a lot of people around you that want you to do things the way they want them. In 1997, Abraham Kudania told the New York Times, or I'm excuse me, New York Daily News, that Aura Ross was trying to slander Selena's image. In the book, Aura Ross claims that Yolanda told her a secret about Selena during the trial, but she never fully revealed the secret in her book. Arirass wrote,

For me, it became Yolanda's secret. Oh yeah, because you should definitely trust her. I know her version completely and with great details. But she warned me was off the record. Don't forget that. Since I knew the story, I was able to piece the puzzle together and put it in these pages without breaking my promise. I accepted and still respect her request to not reveal other details. She confided to me. For that reason, I shall not mention anything until she changes her mind and presents the evidence to prove her revelations. Does a book based in Yolanda's story sound credible to you? Yeah, me neither. So I won't share any more details, and I won't recommend it, and I do not believe she had an affair. Shame on Maria Celeste Arras. She's actually done a lot

of good things in her career. I don't know why she's fucking, you know, lowered herself to act like she's taking Yolanda Saldivar seriously, defaming Selena. So fucking gross. Yolanda will never give Maria the full story because that full story does not exist. Time suck. Top five takeaways. Selena, when fame turns fatal, has been sucked. Again, good on you. If you speak Spanish, and you could understand what I was saying Spanish, I tried my best. I don't have a lot of practice.

I do my little lessons and I can do them when I've just listened to the lesson for it'll stay in my brain a little while. But then after a while, I'm like, oh, no. I don't know if I know that combination. Anyway, thank you to the Bad Magic Productions team for all your help and making time suck.

Thanks to Queen of Bad Magic, Lindsay Cummins. Thanks to Logan Keith, helping to publish this episode, design a merch for the store at badmagicproductions.com. Thank you to Olivia Lee for her research. such a good job on this one. And I recommended this one. Also, thanks to the All Seen Eyes, moderating the Cult of the Curious

private Facebook page, the Mod Squad, making sure Discord keeps one of smooth and everybody over on the Time Sucks subreddit and Bad Magic Subreddit. And now let's head on to this week's Time Sucker Updates. Updates? Get your Time Sucker updates.

First up, Civil Servant Sack, Christopher Gaston, as an entertaining update to an episode from a few months back, sent in to Bojangles at timesugpodcast.com with a subject line of sovereign citizens suck for civil servants. Say that five times fast. Ah, I'd be going to try. Hello, Suckmaster.

I'm a few months behind due to the birth of my first space newt Lilith. All congrats. And a massive move from Nebraska to Alaska. My wife has family up here and never once in my life had I thought about it before meeting her. I was just listening to the Cosmic Intelligence episode and I'm finally able to contribute my two cents to a topic. I've worked several years at a variety of jobs as a court clerk. Sovereign citizens are entertaining, interesting, and infuriating all the same time. It is humors for them to want a ruling in their favor from a court system they most likely do not recognize as legitimate.

Yeah, exactly. They're idiots. One lady attempted a legal version of only God can judge me. Situations with them for me have varied from them sharing that their rental property was bestowed upon them by God. Okay. To attempting to sue the state and federal government over a special. beating ticket. While we can't throw their novels of paperwork away, we can roll our eyes, read through them for a good

laugh, and put them in the case files. Luckily, I've never been in a courtroom with them. I've only handled the paperwork. I could go on, but I don't want to ramble. Thank you for all that you and the crew do for us meat sacks in these trying times, providing a voice of reason when none wants to be heard. Thank you again, and hail

Nimrod. Thank you, Christopher. Yeah, we are in fucking bizarro times. Where people, a lot of people, trying to twist a lot of narratives right now. It has gotten more and more polarizing to just be fucking honest. Oda B is delusional

as a sovereign citizen. You know, I've heard ignorance is bliss. They must be some real happy motherfuckers. Glad you can have fun with those dummies. Cause playing as revolutionaries. Also, hope you enjoy Alaska. Hope you enjoy raising your daughter up there. I bet those long summers are fantastic. Hopefully you can find

plenty of things to do indoors. I know they're pretty good about that up there. Getting some good indoor activities to do for the long, dark winters. But you could also, you know, I guess enjoy those northern lights. Next up, empathetic, but possibly confused. I'm not sure. Sucker, Matt P. Sent in a message with the subject line of the power of empathy, and he wrote,

Dear Suckmaster, I'd like to point out that speaking about the power of empathy, compassion, understanding in one sense. Then calling people scum and pieces of shit in the next is not a display of empathy, compassion and understanding. Very funny, though. Empathetically yours, Matt P. Okay, Matt, I'm guessing you were referring to me saying, when talking about having sweet meat sacks at summer camp quote sweet doesn't mean weak despite many emboldened fucking shitheads what fake tough guys preach today in our fucking sick culture in many ways i went back and listen to get that quote exactly right i think that was the harshest thing i said in the opening

after talking about the beautiful inclusive folks who showed up at summer camp um i think that'll be kind of a weird thing to trigger anyone and i don't know if that's you know what it did with you uh but i got other messages as well uh here's why i said that there is a lot of toxicity out there today you know, I'm online. I see the comments, lots of them. You know, rising tide, a homophobic, misogynistic, xenophobic comments. I was inferring when I said just a moment ago that I was glad that those people weren't at camp, and I am glad, and they would not be welcome at camp, you know, if they brought that

energy. And as far as, like, empathy, empathy is an interesting word that I think a lot of us don't fully understand. I can have empathy. For somebody, I can also not want to do business with. You know, empathy means the ability. to understand and share the feelings of another, also defined as the ability to perceive another person's perspective to understand, feel, and possibly share, and respond to their experience.

Understand, the word understand being, I think, the key word, not approving of, not condoning. You know, I can understand and thus have empathy for real evil people, for how Hitler became who he was, you know, as vile as he was, how he turned to hate when faced with rejection instead of taking personal responsibility, how he turned to blame others to rationalize his own failures and avoid a painful introspection and to fuel a rise in power over a disenfranchised population. I can also fucking hate him. I can also wish he would have died young. Empathy and hate are not mutually exclusive. And I don't think a lot of people understand that. You can have compassion, empathy, and hate all for the same person. I included

your message because lately I have noticed more people claiming that I have said things, which I definitely have not said, like a very clear example of that. is I got a message a woman thanking me for what I said last episode about Charlie Kirk, even though that episode was literally recorded before that happened. So wow. Anyway, maybe I misunderstood you, Matt, but being on Team MeatSack has never meant that literally all humans are welcome on Team Meatzac. It's always been for humans who do not prey on other humans and are thus, you know,

anti-Team MeatSack by nature, like pedophiles, domestic abusers, virulent races, other dismissive hate mongers I can see how that can feel hypocritical to some maybe it is but also you know common usage for 99.9% of people when you say something like everybody's welcome

you don't actually mean that literally it's implied that it means some version of everybody who's not you know a fucking piece of shit everybody who's not going to ruin shit for other people present is welcome

again hate mongers fucking pedophiles I can use a bunch of examples not welcome so i don't know i don't know if that clears up confusion or maybe adds to it finally from lucky to be a live sucker jason enriquez a message sent in with a subject line of tell everyone you love them today hello bad magic crew this is a short message that i just wanted to send to you quick backstory i was involved in a multi-car crash yesterday it made me truly grasp the fragility of life and that you need to tell the people you care about that you still love them even if you're not on good

terms. I know this is very cliche. Being the wreck happened yesterday, but after leaving the hospital, thankfully, all I had was a bruised arm and a concussion. I spent the day going down my list of people I needed to thank, and I told them I loved them. So why email y'all? Simple. I love you all as much as I can being a weekly time suck listener. Everyone involved in this organization deserves to know that they are cared for and loved, even if it's from a 23-year-old graduated frat boy. With everything that happened this past week, I just wanted to remind everyone that people care about you and love you, and if it's been a while since you last expressed that to them, maybe tell them

before it's too late. As Dan always says, we're only promised this one life, so live it up. Thanks for listening to my rambling. If you play this on time suck, could you please shout out everyone? Again, sorry for the cliches here. Thank you again for what y'all do, sincerely, Jason. Well, fucking good on you, Jason.

Wow. Man, that level of emotional intelligence at 23 years old, holy shit, I did not have that. Truly good on you for sending that message. Jason also included some photos with the wreck, and I literally gassed and said something to the effect of, oh, shit, when I saw them.

He is very lucky to be alive, let alone not badly injured. And he's right. Spread the most love you can while you can. I highly doubt if you know your death is intimate, you know, you're going to think some version of, ah, fuck, I wish I would have been a dickhead more often. I wish I would have to yell to people more.

But you might think, why didn't I tell the people I love them more often? Right, the people I love. Why didn't I tell the people I loved, you know, that I love, that I love them more often. I've been around some people who knew death was coming, some people who were generally pretty fucking grumpy and miserable. And at the very end, they all became pretty sweet and finally shared things that they could have shared so much earlier. But they just didn't. They just held it in. They just chose to be fucking miserable. So don't wait. Love you too, former fratboy. Now, now stay safe out there.

Always wear your fucking seatbelt. Don't test and drive. And thanks for embodying, Jason, what I was just talking about. Oh, man, you would have blended in perfectly at summer camp. Honored, truly, to have you care about myself, the team, the listeners, this community, this podcast, and hell near my buddy. Next time, suckers, I needed that. We all did. Well, thank you for listening to another bad manager productions podcast. Be sure and rate and review time suck if you haven't already.

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