Timesuck with Dan Cummins - 504 - Blizzard of Lies: The Karen Read Murder Trials

Episode Date: April 27, 2026

A blizzard, a body in the snow, and a case that’s divided a town—and the internet. In this episode, we break down the mysterious death of Boston police officer John O’Keefe and the explosive mur...der trials of Karen Read, where accusations of drunken rage collide with claims of a massive police cover-up. What really happened on Fairview Road… and who, if anyone, is telling the truth? Merch and more: www.badmagicproductions.com  Timesuck Discord! https://discord.gg/tqzH89v Want to join the Cult of the Curious PrivateFacebook Group? Go directly to Facebook and search for "Cult of the Curious" to locate whatever happens to be our most current page :) For all merch-related questions/problems: store@badmagicproductions.com (copy and paste) Please rate and subscribe on Apple Podcasts and elsewhere and follow the suck on social media!! @timesuckpodcast on IG and http://www.facebook.com/timesuckpodcast Wanna become a Space Lizard? Click here: https://www.patreon.com/timesuckpodcast. Sign up through Patreon, and for $5 a month, you get access to the entire Secret Suck catalog (295 episodes) PLUS the entire catalog of Timesuck, AD FREE. You'll also get 20% off of all regular Timesuck merch PLUS access to exclusive Space Lizard merch. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

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Starting point is 00:00:00 America loves a messy, sensationalized, drama-filled court case and trial. It's one of the few things that can grab the attention of the majority of the American public, regardless of age, gender, socioeconomic status, race, religious, or political affiliation. Damn near everybody, it seems. Can get lost in a really captivating high-stakes trial. Or maybe you're convinced that the defendant is guilty and you worry that that son of a bitch is going to walk free. Another reminder that justice is definitely not always served. And another bit of your belief or the belief you'd like to have that the world is, you know, just overall is going to get eroded a bit further.
Starting point is 00:00:36 Or maybe you're convinced the defendant is innocent and you see yourself in them. You imagine how you would feel if you were being railroaded. If you were worried that a group of people were conspiring to frame you, that if the jury got it wrong, your life was going to be destroyed. Almost all your previous concerns will now be rendered null and void, replaced by a tiny cell, apathetic guards, violent fellow inmate. and the soul-crushing monotony and hopelessness of a long stretch of prison life. We've talked about a few big trials in previous subjects here before. O.J. Simpson and the trial of the century, Casey Anthony, J. Arias, Scott Peterson, and more. Cases that became so famous that they became a part of the cultural zeitgeist.
Starting point is 00:01:18 Today, we are covering another one of those types of cases. When I've had a bunch of friends asked me about over the past few months? You know, when are you going to cover it? What do you think about it? Honestly, until this week, I 100% slept on this one. Maybe I read one article. I don't even think I did that. If I did, I just quickly moved on.
Starting point is 00:01:37 Clearly it didn't stick. I definitely didn't watch a single video, didn't listen to any podcasts or, you know, YouTubers talking about it, never watched any docu series. But I did hear about it a lot from others and was amused by how some people in my social orbit went full amateur sleuth, obsessing over every little detail in this case. A few, if I remember correctly, thought that Karen Reed was guilty, at least for a while. Most were convinced she was 100% innocent and was being framed by a bunch of crooked cops and their families. Everybody definitely had an opinion.
Starting point is 00:02:10 Finally, they got me. I had to look into it for myself, and so here we are. We're going to travel back in time, just a few years to January of 2022 for this one, when we were all still pretty fresh out of the pandemic, still settling into a post-pandemic new normal. back when there was frankly a lot less going on in the news and social media was not blowing up nonstop over the world as being on fire international tragedies just one after another the soap opera twilight zone-esque surreal political drama but instead people were obsessing over a court case that captivated millions a case that included a mysterious death
Starting point is 00:02:45 an incredibly fumbled investigation a lot of small town drama a conspiracy theory about crooked cops that maybe is not so conspiratorial a bunch of podcast, armchair detective, salacious group chats, some mistrial and investigation discovery documentary, a retrial, more questions and answers, a blogger known as Turtle Boy, and a bunch of people with years of personal history shared between them and a lot of super thick Boston accents, which are always pretty entertaining to me.
Starting point is 00:03:13 Today we're deep diving into the death of John O'Keefe and the murder trials of Karen Reed on another true crime, who done it, toxic trial edition of TimeSuck. This is Michael McDonald, and you're listening to TimeSuck. You're listening to TimeSuck. Well, happy Monday. Welcome or welcome back to the Cult of the Curious.
Starting point is 00:03:45 I'm Dan Cummins. New Ramtha and also New Seth. And also New Lazarus. Yeah, I channel them all, bitches. Yeah, 100%. Right, Jamie? Thank you. You are listening to TimeSuck in any number of things.
Starting point is 00:04:00 dimensions where I continually astral project obviously Hail Nimrod, hail Lucifina Praise B to Good Boy Bo Jangles and Glory B to Triple M and now enough Wackadoodle silliness Let's get serious
Starting point is 00:04:14 Kind of, maybe not Either way, I hope you're doing great Hope your dick is hard Or your pussy's wet Unless you're a kid In that case Oh gosh Oh hey
Starting point is 00:04:26 For Fortnite's cool And basketball and got to read. Read a good book. Read is important. Drink water. Stay hydrated. Stay hydrated this summer. It might get real hot, you know. And I'll show myself out. If you somehow miss the headlines or, you know, the details also in this case, one of the first things to know is that it is very complicated, which is exactly why it's so damn intriguing. Everything takes place in a small town, small, small city to some, people like me who come from a fucking village. But small town, to most outside.
Starting point is 00:05:05 of Boston with the group of people so interconnected that you might want to grab some red string, a bunch of attacks, you know, get your cork board out in a fucking war room basement, try and keep all the shit straight. With that in mind, here's how we're going to tackle today's suck. We're going to do a quick zoom into Canton, Massachusetts, as a community, before we introduced the main players involved with the investigation, the court cases, the conspiracy theories. Once we have established who the hell is who, then we will jump into a time-suck timeline, starting with the death of John O'Keefe and ending with the final verdict.
Starting point is 00:05:38 Canton, Massachusetts is considered part of greater Boston. I don't think it's really Boston. It's a place where a lot of people live who work in Boston, some of them being some of the characters in this drama. It's 15 miles southwest to downtown Boston. I've driven through it a few times over the years
Starting point is 00:05:55 and this town of about 25,000 people reminds me of a lot of other big towns in Massachusetts. It's got a quaint downtown with lots of trees and cafes and pizza places. Holy shit. Does it have a lot of pizza places? Is there a state with more fucking pizza places than Massachusetts? There can't be.
Starting point is 00:06:13 Not per capita. Seriously, nothing against pizza. Pizza's great. I love it. But whenever I'm in Massachusetts specifically, like almost every time, and definitely every time for many me years, I'm always like, what the fuck is going on? How is like every third place a pizza place? They can't get enough of it.
Starting point is 00:06:30 They're also fun and Thai cafes, yoga studios, salons, plenty of hole-in-the-wall pubs and sports bars and diners. Not a lot of Dunkin' Donuts, surprisingly, in Canton. I mean, there was four, which I guess, you know, is a decent amount for a town of about 25,000 people, but still feels low to me compared to some other areas of Massachusetts. Or maybe it feels low to me because Canton is the home of the corporate headquarters of Dunkin' Donuts. Also the headquarters of Computer Share, a big Australian stock transfer corporation, some other smaller companies, a lot of good jobs in Canton.
Starting point is 00:07:03 a lot of big brick buildings downtown. The feeling that there's a lot of money in the area, like any town in Massachusetts, there's a lot of green spaces and water, so much water, rivers, lakes, creeks, and ponds, big, big homes, properties around the edge of town, a lot of trees and wooded areas, nature and residential and commercial areas,
Starting point is 00:07:24 sprawling out in every direction, which is most of Massachusetts in my experience. It always feels to me like, once you leave one town or neighborhood, you're bound to hit another one, no matter which way you drive within about 10 minutes tops. And if you keep driving, you'll then hit another area of undeveloped land and then another town and then more undeveloped land and just on and on.
Starting point is 00:07:42 Just a constant flow of town blending into nature, nature blending back into town, so many neighborhoods, so many swamps and wetlands. And all very quaint. A lot of beautiful homes, many of them old and restored, some historical, big manicured lawns, a lot of families that have been living in the area forever. A lot of people who look vaguely Irish, mixed in with more recent immigrants from all over.
Starting point is 00:08:03 over the place. Actually, one in six current Massachusetts residents or foreign-born. With significant populations coming from the Dominican Republic, Brazil, India, Haiti in recent years, also a lot of people from El Salvador, Vietnam, China, and Portugal. Ken used to not be very diverse at all. As recently as 1980, 98% of the town's population was non-Hispanic white. Now that number about 80%. economically canton seems to be doing uh you know quite a bit better than a lot of places in the in the u.s
Starting point is 00:08:38 overall just over 11% of the population in the u.s is currently living beneath the poverty line uh but in canton about seven percent of families below that line so four percent less than the national average canton also has a lot of people who are fucking killing it considered a very affluent exclusive outer boston suburb by many uh the median household income roughly 143 thousand dollars almost double the U.S. national average of 83,730. And the medium home value over $710,000, again almost double the national average of just over $366,000. A lot of folks doing pretty damn well for themselves. Also, in general, very safe place to live.
Starting point is 00:09:20 It's crime rate much lower than the national average. Looking at 2022 stats for every 1,000 people, roughly 7 will be the victim of a violent crime each year, about four will be the victim of a property crime. Comparing that to the rest of the state, almost 11 people will be the victim of a violent crime each year. Another 11 will be the victim of a property crime. And compared it to the national average, almost 20 people will be the victim of a violent crime each year.
Starting point is 00:09:44 13 will be the victim of a property crime, so much, much lower than that in Canton. Despite being the setting of today's true crime episode, Canton actually an exceptionally safe place to live overall. And now one little piece of can't, Canton trivia before moving on, comedian Bill Burr, one of my absolute favorites, born and raised in Canton, Canton High School grad class of 87. I'm guessing Bill is at least familiar with some of the characters involved here.
Starting point is 00:10:17 I would recognize some of the families. Canton's a town where a recent chief of police once stated, everybody knows everybody. And the mayor realty group wrote in a post titled A Locals Guide to Canton, Canton prides itself on the community's neighborly aesthetics. It's an affluent residential enclave, but far more down to earth than many of Boston's more moneyed neighborhoods. It's a livable luxury where you know your neighbors and you appreciate the opportunity to do so. Okay, so there's a little bit about the setting. And now before we move on from Kent, let's grab a bit more context about the way law enforcement was viewed back in 2022.
Starting point is 00:10:54 The Boston area has been famously one of the most cop-friendly cities in the United States. 2016 polling, for example, showed that while nationwide, only 56% of people interviewed, viewed the police favorably, that number was 73% in Boston, a lot higher than the national average. Boston has long been publicly cited as a police force
Starting point is 00:11:15 that has a strong ties to the community. That does not mean there's not criticism, of course, but rather that law enforcement more likely to be held in high esteem by a random resident than it would be in most other cities. Now, let's take that pro-police. pro-police mindset and relocated just, you know, a little 15-mile jump to Canton, very police-friendly, pretty wealthy, small Massachusetts town, or at least it was pretty police-friendly before all this shit came out. Now let's buckle up and meet the Who, starting with
Starting point is 00:11:47 the star of this case. Karen Reed, born on February 26, 1980. Some sources say she was born in Mansfield, other say Taunton. Both are in Massachusetts and are just 13 miles apart from one another. Also, Mansfield, less than 20 minutes, or less than 20 miles, excuse me, from Canton, all in the same little area, just south and west of Boston. Karen grew up in that area. Seems to have maybe spent some time in Blacksburg. Virginia is a kid as well, according to a few online sources.
Starting point is 00:12:17 Not 100% positive in that. She did graduate from Coil and Cassidy, a private Catholic school in Taunton, then attended Bentley University in Waltham, also Massachusetts where she obtained a bachelor's degree and master's in finance. Walton, Massachusetts, just 20 miles from Canton. So definitely a local girl. Born and raised, you know, in Massachusetts, settled down in Massachusetts, never far from Boston. Never far from Canton.
Starting point is 00:12:43 2004 just after college, when she was 24 years old, Reed met today's victim, John O'Keefe. Reed had tagged along with a friend, O'Keefe's sister Kristen's birthday party. and then the two will briefly date for a few months. They then parted ways, and Karen spent the next decade working in finance while trying to balance some pretty serious health struggles. She would undergo 10 surgeries in a period of 18 months. Dang.
Starting point is 00:13:09 During that time, and ultimately, be diagnosed with both Crohn's and multiple sclerosis. Damn. In the spring of 2020, during the COVID pandemic, she received a Facebook message from O'Keefe. First time she had heard from him in 16 years. years. And the message simply read, So, sugar tits, want to fuck or nah, smash your pass,
Starting point is 00:13:31 followed by 17 question marks and a clown emoji for some reason. No, it read, hey, blast from the past. How's things? So let's now meet John. John O'Keefe was born December 8, 1975 in Braintree, Massachusetts. He would spend his entire childhood there graduating from Braintree High School. Brain Tree, just a dozen miles from Canton, so same area. he would attend Northeastern University in Boston that campus only a dozen miles from Braintree
Starting point is 00:13:59 then went on to earn his master's degree in criminal justice from UMass in Boston, less than 10 miles from Braintree. After that, O'Keefe got a job with the Boston Police Department where he would work as an officer for the next 16 years. So neither John nor Karen ever strayed far from home. 2013, John sadly lost his sister Kristen to brain cancer. Then shortly thereafter, just a year later, lost his brother-in-law, Kristen's husband, to a heart attack.
Starting point is 00:14:26 Fuck. They had two kids. John, to his immense credit, stepped in, stepped up, big time, became the guardian to his niece, Kaylee, and his nephew, Patrick, who will call him JJ. These poor kids, also victims in the story, right? They lost both parents, then lost their uncle and sole guardian in a single decade during their childhood. They were only about six and three when their parents both died, then around 14 and 12 when John died. So, you know, pretty fucking brutal. after reconnected with John, Karen quickly started spending a lot of time with both him and these two kids.
Starting point is 00:14:59 Karen would later say that she thought that both of them surviving big life-altering events helped him forge a deep bond. She said she fell for both him and the kids. I felt like this is a perfect situation, said Reed. It's a Karen-sized hole in this house that I have the energy and resources to fill. The relationship progressed quickly during the confines of the pandemic. Reed, who could work remotely rearranged her schedule to be at O'Keeffe's house, most days supervising the children's Zoom schooling, making them lunch, she really stepped up, while O'Keefe worked a desk job in the Sex Offender Registry Information Unit at the A1
Starting point is 00:15:32 Station in downtown Boston. Unfortunately, their relationship would quickly become unhealthy, very hot and cold, fueled by a lot of heavy drinking and a lot of jealousy. So much heavy drinking in this episode, by the way. Truly feels like most of the people you will meet drank often and drink a lot. Reed said that over time, O'Keefe began to resent that she got to do the fun stuff, you know, the fun parts of parenting with the kids
Starting point is 00:15:56 while he played disciplinarian. She said that once when the kids returned from a trip with their grandparents, Kaylee and Patrick walked right on past O'Keefe to hug Reed first, and that really upset him. He supposedly felt that the kids preferred her because she spoiled them,
Starting point is 00:16:10 stuff like trips to play with some go cards, fancy haircuts, shopping, et cetera. Reed said that she thought that the kids could just feel her warmth and also feel O'Keefe's stress, you know, that it was his tension that pushed them away. She felt like he never adequately mourned the loss of his sister, a struggle to manage his own grief,
Starting point is 00:16:28 plus the children's increasingly complicated needs, emotional and otherwise. She said that O'Keefe saw a therapist with the kids at one point, but when the shrink introduced board games, O'Keefe checked out. Felt it was a bunch of silly bullshit, waste of his time. I think that's part of his stock, Reed said later. This Irish Catholic south of Boston rubbed some dirt on it, drink through your problems mindset. Drinking increased for both of them on the weekends over the course of their relationship,
Starting point is 00:16:54 which Reid has recently said you now regrets, but rationalized at the time is nothing more than the two of them unwinding after a hard week. Once O'Keefe was a few drinks in, quote, that was when he was the most relaxed, Reid would say, adding he would be easygoing, but then it was this vicious cycle that he's hung over the next day. During a New Year's group vacation in Aruba, Reed said just weeks before he died.
Starting point is 00:17:19 O'Keefe and his friends cracked beers at 10 a.m. each day, drank until sundown or, you know, until they fucking fell down, whichever came first. She says that she also caught O'Keefe kissing another woman around this time, a woman who would deny that at trial. That same January, Reed engaged in her own flirtation. She exchanged texts with one of O'Keefe's contacts, Brian Higgins, an ATF agent. It was a brief thing, petered out about as quickly as it started, but very revealing about where they were. at relationship-wise at the time of his death. She said, I knew Higgins found me attractive. It helped me emotionally validate myself, which is embarrassing to admit.
Starting point is 00:17:57 Speaking of Brian Higgins, he was a member of the group of friends that all went out to a bar in Canton called the Waterfall Bar and Grill on the last night of John's life. He's also one of several brines in this story, so I'll try and mostly refer to him by either his full name or just his last name. Higgins is one of three men that Reed's defense team said had the motive, the opportunity, and the means to attack O'Keefe, excuse me, the night he died. We'll hear from him a lot in the timeline. Speaking of Bryant's, Brian Albert Sr. is a retired Boston police officer, friend of Johns, who owned the home outside of which John O'Keefe's dead body was found.
Starting point is 00:18:35 The home, a group of friends, were supposed to all go to after they left the waterfall. And many of them did go to Brian's home that night. Brian's a former Marine, former 30-year BPD veteran who once headed the fugitive apprehension team and appeared on the Donnie Wahlberg-produced reality show Boston's finest. A decorated law enforcement officer maybe also would do with some serious fucking secrets. He's one of seven siblings raised in Canton and truly seems to know fucking everyone in the area, especially in law enforcement, which will be talked about a lot in Karen's trial. Brian's wife Nicole also was with everybody that night
Starting point is 00:19:12 She'll appear quite a few times in the timeline Brian and Nicole's son Brian Albert Jr Also at his parents' house tonight O'Keefe died So many people were there So many it reminds me of a game of clue There was a 23rd birthday party for Brian Jr. Going on the night John was last seen alive And everybody from the waterfall with the group
Starting point is 00:19:31 Who had been out drinking, you know, was invited to said birthday party The fact that there was a party going on inside the house Brian's body was found in front of the night he died added a lot of drama to this case. Another person in Brian and Nicole Albert's home that night was their daughter, Caitlin, Brian Jr's older sister, 26 years old of the time. And now let's meet Chris Albert, Brian's senior's brother, so Brian Jr. and Caitlin's uncle. Chris was also among the group of people at the waterfall that fateful night, but he said he went home after the bar did not go to his brother's house. he also owns a local pizza shop so much fucking pizza in that part of the world
Starting point is 00:20:09 I'm not surprised and he was also once John O'Keefe's neighbor and is now a Canton selectman which is basically a hybrid of a city councilman and mayor it's kind of a weird position of my opinion residents of Canton elect five members of a select
Starting point is 00:20:24 board who together collectively apparently act as the town's chief executive and administrative authority they oversee municipal functions municipal functions including hiring town staff, granting licenses, setting tax and utility rates, guiding policy regarding local finances and development. Sounds messier to me. They just having a mayor and city council underneath the mayor, but I guess maybe not. Who knows? When looking up info on Chris online,
Starting point is 00:20:50 there are a lot of people, a lot of very strong opinions about him and the rest of the Albert Klan, mostly negative. Basically, a lot of people think that they all drink way too fucking much, way too often, and they're corrupt as hell. Just rumors and hearsay of course, but enough that I feel like it's worth sharing. Something that does not seem to be a rumor at all is that Chris caused a car accident in 1994 at 3 a.m. that resulted in the death of another man. Peter Mazarosberger, a 23-year-old exchange student. After this accident, Chris fled the scene, presumably drunk, then turned himself in roughly
Starting point is 00:21:22 30 hours later, and he will only get six months for this. And his lawyer, John Prescott Jr., now deceased, the brother of Karen Reed's trial judge Beverly Canoni. And because of that, and because of other alleged and honestly kind of distant connections with the Albert family between the judge and the family,
Starting point is 00:21:41 a lot of people online wanted Judge Canoni to recuse herself from Karen's trial, which she will not. And those same people consistently interpreted her actions during proceedings as siding with the prosecution and against the defense. None of that appears in mainstream media,
Starting point is 00:21:55 by the way, but there's so much smoke online about it, I felt like I should include it. Chris Albert's wife, Julie, will testify about being with the group at the waterfall that night, but went home after the bar due to a migraine. Chris and Julie's son, Colin, was one of the three alleged by Karen Reid's defense team to have the mode of opportunity and means
Starting point is 00:22:14 to attack John O'Keefe during the first trial. Colin was at his cousin Brian Jr.'s birthday party, drinking with everybody else, and according, again, to a lot of people online, he's a fucking hothead. Here's some gossip about him from the Justice for Karen Reid's subreddit. And again, this is 100% gossip. But somebody posted, quote,
Starting point is 00:22:33 I'm from Canton, Massachusetts area, and I've heard many things about Colin Albert as a person and nothing has been positive. On vacation, one time a man tried talking to his girlfriend, and he got angry and was drowning him in the water. It has been known Colin is someone who always is starting trouble. My friend who was close with the Albert family told me that Colin's brother drunkenly confessed to them
Starting point is 00:22:53 that Colin was the one who killed John. I've heard it countless times from people, and it is frustrating there's no concrete evidence. at trial, a video will be played of a young Colin threatening to quote, fuck up other teens and jurors Excuse me, not a fuck up other teens No, jurors is a separate thing going on That would be funny on the trial.
Starting point is 00:23:12 Yeah, he threatens to fuck up teens and jurors At the trial, so that's concerning. No, threatened to fuck up other teens And then jurors were shown a photo of Albert With wounded knuckles, like bruised knuckles On his right hand just weeks after O'Keeve died That doesn't mean he did it But I'll just say that poking around a lot online
Starting point is 00:23:28 a lot of people claiming to be familiar with him and Canton do not have anything good to say about him. Words like brat, hothead, thug get tossed around. A fair amount of people feel like he is destined for a long sentence in prison someday soon. Collins' uncle is Kevin Albert. Canton detective, Brian and Chris's brother, who will also show up in the timeline briefly. Nicole Albert's sister, Jennifer McCabe, one of John O'Keefe's friends, also at the waterfall with everybody on the fateful night, as was her husband Matthew McCabe. Jennifer McCabe will show up a lot in the timeline.
Starting point is 00:24:02 One of the prosecution's star witnesses. Very controversial, some of the things that go on with her. And now just two more characters who were not partying with everybody, but will show up a lot in the timeline. Michael Proctor, the lead investigator, the Massachusetts State Police Trooper who led the investigation into John O'Keeves' killing, and as you'll see, a huge fucking doucheback.
Starting point is 00:24:22 And then Aidan Turtleboy Kearney, Aiden, Kearney, a controversial local blogger known as Turtle Boy, whose persistence with the case helped it garner a broader level of public interest. Also led to his arrest for alleged witness intimidation. Dude's quite the character. I'm not going to focus on him much during the timeline because there's just too much other stuff going on. You know, stuff with actual evidence in the case, too many people in the group who were the last people to see John will keep alive. The night he died. And law enforcement officers working on his case who do questionable things.
Starting point is 00:24:54 so I'll just share most of what I have to say about him now. He ran and he still runs the website, TBDailyNews.com, as in Turtle Boy Daily News. He's 44 years old right now, born in 1981, just a few months younger than Karen Reid, born and raised in Worcester, Massachusetts, and Worcester in hours drive from Canton, almost exactly. He worked as a history teacher in Massachusetts for 11 years.
Starting point is 00:25:19 Then he segued into being a blogger, started off as a sports blogger primarily, before transitioning into investigative journalism, mostly focused on shit like a local political corruption in Massachusetts. He won four Worcester Magazine Best of Worcester Awards, winning best local blog in 2015 and 2016, as well as best local news source overall in 2017 and 2018. A big First Amendment guy, which I really like,
Starting point is 00:25:46 very concerned about big tech and online censorship, and in 2018 he covered misconduct within the Massachusetts State Police regarding the canine trooper's history of drug dealing and money laundry. In the early 2000s, this trooper participated in a large-scale marijuana business run by her then-living boyfriend, and she failed to disclose that criminal activity when applying for the state police. But that was uncovered during a testimony against her former boyfriend. The uncovering of that information led the state police to implement new background checks and hiring protocols. Because of her criminal history and subsequent dishonorable discharge from the force,
Starting point is 00:26:20 all the cases she participated in during her 10th, tenure were called into question. Three district attorney cases ended up getting thrown out due to her involvement specifically. And Turtle Boy was all over that shit. He was also cited in 2018 as the first person to break news of a Massachusetts state trooper who faced disciplinary actions for including incriminating details in an arrest report concerning a judge's daughter. He was covering corruption within Massachusetts law enforcement way before Karen Reid came along.
Starting point is 00:26:49 And then when her trial did come along, he quickly became certain. she was being framed and railroaded by more corrupt cops, and he pretty much dedicated his entire professional life for several years towards trying to keep her out of prison. He also became a pretty controversial figure during her trials, organized at a bunch of protests in Canton and supporter read, including it related pretrial hearings, where he coined the phrase free Karen Reid. His involvement led to her trial being called the Canton cover-up, and he wrote a bunch of Canton cover-up blog posts, many, many, many posts. Rochelle Rawlins, former U.S. attorney from Massachusetts and a post on X, said his relentless reporting in the face of repeatedly being told by law enforcement that he was wrong and there was nothing to see here cracked this case wide open.
Starting point is 00:27:35 A dude's a hero to many people obsessed with this case. But also even a lot of people who are pro-Caron Reed still think he's an asshole who went way too far and confronting an outright harassing people related to her case. There's a lot of speculation online that he did a lot of what he did because he has a fucking huge heart on, massive crush on Karen Reid Desperly wanted her to see him as this white knight in shining armor saving her and, you know, have her fall in love with him. But that's all gossip. What's not gossip is that in December of 2023,
Starting point is 00:28:05 Kearney was indicted on eight counts of witness intimidation, three counts of conspiracy to intimidate witnesses, and five counts of picketing a witness related specifically to the Reed case. And on May 13th, 2020, a grand jury indicted Kearney on two additional counts of witness intimidation. Two months after he stopped by a pizza shop owned by two of the trial witnesses, more pizza, and caused disruption. Dude went hard in the paint as far as advocating for Reed's innocence.
Starting point is 00:28:33 Also did a ton of promotion for a fundraiser for Karen Reid's legal defense, of which over $1.1 million was raised, raised six figures directly for her defense, which is very impressive. without him, all of this could have gone, maybe probably would have gone very differently than it did. Karen and Aden became collaboratively, very close during all of this, but there's no evidence that they've ever dated
Starting point is 00:28:56 or are really even, you know, truly friends now. So that's Turtle Boy. So much more can be said about him if this was a multi-episode arc, but for my purposes here today, I think that's plenty. All right, so now, let's move on, really get into the story in this timeline.
Starting point is 00:29:13 And before we do, I just want to be clear that this is a subject where a 10-hour podcast still would not cover everything. A lot of people have devoted a lot of hours, like literally hundreds, to dissecting every bit of minutia in this case. And there is so much to dissect. For our purposes here, you know, going to be more of a broad strokes approach. That being said, I do think we cover the gist of this just fine. This is the case where every moment mattered, the night John died and the hours and days and weeks following his death when it comes to trying to understand what the fuck actually happened and who's at fault.
Starting point is 00:29:47 We know the night ended with the tragic loss of John O'Keefe, a man others described as a devoted uncle, a great friend, a respected Boston police officer. What we do not know for sure, despite some people's assertions, is, was this an accident? Or was it an impulsive fit of rage that led to a murder? Was there a cover-up of this murder?
Starting point is 00:30:09 Let's look at the facts of the night, what happened afterward, as we dive into today's time suck timeline. Right after today's first of two mid-show sponsor breaks. If you don't want to hear these ads ever again, please sign up to be a spacehizzard on Patreon. Help us make monthly charitable contributions. Get the catalog ad-free episodes three days early and more.
Starting point is 00:30:32 Thank you for listening to our sponsors. And now it's actually time-suck timeline time. Shrap on those boots, soldier. We're marching down a time-suck time. I'm lying. January 28th, 2022. It was a Saturday night in eastern Massachusetts was experiencing its first true blizzard since 2018.
Starting point is 00:30:58 The storm was so big and nasty, it actually was given a name, Winter Storm Keenan, and it would dump around two and a half feet of snow in some places in less than 24 hours. The storm is going to be a big part of this story with some thinking that the blizzard, more than anything else,
Starting point is 00:31:13 is what was truly responsible for O'Keefe's death. A state of emergency was declared, the storm approached on the 28th trains buses and ferries in most parts of massachusetts were closed strong winds would create snowdrifts three feet high and more in places gusts as high as 99 miles per hour would knock out power to over 130,000 people four people would die as a direct result of this blizzard on nearby long island alone it would cause about fifty million dollars in total damages specifically in canton the blizzard deposited approximately two feet of snow between late friday night and saturday night and saturday afternoon. For much of that time, the snow plus the wind created white-out conditions. You could not see for more than a few feet in any direction. Snow plows would push the snow into very deep banks along the sides of the road. That's also going to factor into this story. It was objectively a really fucking stupid night for a bunch of people to go out, close down a bar drinking, then go to a house party afterwards, keep drinking, then drive home, hammered.
Starting point is 00:32:13 Driving around hammered seems to have been just a normal way of life for a lot of the people in the story. At approximately 9 p.m. Karen Reid, John O'Keefe met up at a local Irish pub, C.F. McCarthy's in downtown Canton. It is across the street and a block away from the waterfall bar and grill, also in the same building as D&E Pizza and Subs, and across the street, and a block from Canton Center Pizza, and also one block from Apollo Sub and Pizza Shop. I'll try and keep my Massachusetts pizza fascination under control, but it is absurd. The waterfall bar and grill also has pizza on their menu. I mean, flat bed, flat, oh my God, flat bread pizza, but still the pizza insanity is very real. But also understandable, I mean, you know, pizza is one of humanity's greatest
Starting point is 00:32:56 in vengeance. Anyway, John and Karen met up at the Irish pub, C.F. McCarthy's, which I fucking swear to God, also has pizza on the menu. They even brag about their housemaid tomato sauce. They were arguing, possibly while also eating pizza, but I can't confirm that last detail. They'd been arguing since earlier that day about some shit centered around a massive fight over what went down around New Year's and Karen's beliefs that John had cheated on her. After they sat around and drank for about two hours around 11 p.m., they headed down the street
Starting point is 00:33:23 about a block to the waterfall bar and grill. At the waterfall, not sure if they tried their pizza, uh, they ran into some friends and acquaintances, including Brian and Nicole Albert, who we just met, Jennifer and Matt McCabe, who we also just met, uh, Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco Firearms,
Starting point is 00:33:39 and Explosive agents, Brian Higgins, who we just met, and more. Uh, Reed and O'Kee for both witnessed by many, many people drinking heavily at the bar. The bar closed around midnight, moving the calendar to the 29th. They possibly closed due to the big storm. I can't imagine it being a packed house thanks to that blizzard. The Alberts invited everybody they've been drinking with back to their place at 34 Fairview Road to continue to party as the storm hit harder and harder.
Starting point is 00:34:05 O'Keefe had met Brian Albert a few times before. They were both Boston police officers. Also, as I believe I mentioned, Chris Albert was once O'Keefe's neighbor. And Jennifer McCabe had become close friends with O'Keefe's. keef through their kids. A lot of interconnectedness in this group. The Albert House, as mentioned, already had a party going on that night to celebrate Brian Albert Jr.'s 23rd birthday. Brian Jr., unsurprisingly, had a bunch of friends over. 12.14 a.m. on January 29th, Jennifer McCabe called John O'Keefe to give him and Karen
Starting point is 00:34:35 directions to the Albert home. It is less than two miles from the bar, 1.7 miles to be exact. Easy five-minute drive tops when the weather's good. at 12.15 a.m., Jennifer and her husband Matt and another guest all noticed Karen Reed's 2021 Lexus LX570 parked in front of the Albert house. Reed said that after arguing more on the drunken drive to the house, she dropped O'Keefe off at 34. Fairview Road after they argued a bit more while parked. And then she drove home nine minutes after Jennifer and Matt saw her car at 1224. Once home, Reed will call O'Keefe 53 times between 12.30 a.m. and 6 a.m. None of those calls were answered. She would leave eight voicemails. That is fucking insane. Fifty-three times. I've literally never called anyone more than 50 times in a single night, over a single weekend, probably in a month.
Starting point is 00:35:33 If I was worried that Lindsay, who I love very much, have been kidnapped. or gotten into an accident. I still don't think I would call her 50 times in that span of time. I think after around, I don't know, 20 times, tops. I would be calling the police. I'd be calling her friends, calling her family, calling anybody I thought might know where she was. I'd be out driving around looking for her.
Starting point is 00:35:52 I'd be using Find Mai to locate her phone and track her down. I mean, hope I never find out. But fuck, 53. Jennifer McCabe texted O'Keefe here at 1227 a.m. I'll call in Albert again, Chris and Julie's son and Brian Albert's nephew, so cousin to Brian Jr., the birthday boy, he left 34 Fairview Road at 12.30 a.m.
Starting point is 00:36:13 Between 1231 and 1250 a.m., Jennifer called O'Keefe nine times and sent four texts. And Jennifer, again, is Nicole Albert's sister and O'Keefe's friend through their kids. McCabele later claimed that these calls were butt dials and that she did not speak to O'Keefe. Again, good to remember.
Starting point is 00:36:29 Almost everybody at this party is some level of shit-faced. At 12-36 a.m., Karen Reid left O'Keefe, a voicemail saying, you are a fucking loser. Fuck yourself. John, I fucking hate you. This is the first of, again,
Starting point is 00:36:44 eight voicemail messages. Reed will leave for O'Keefe that night. She'll leave them all between 12, 15, and 1.18 a.m. Another was, John, I'm here with your fucking kids. Nobody knows where the fuck you are, you fucking pervert. Another was, you're fucking another girl. You're a fucking loser. Fuck yourself.
Starting point is 00:37:03 Here's another one with the profanity, beeped out because we live in a ridiculous culture full of actual grownups, afraid their kids could hear words like fuck, but not as afraid of their kids, you know, hearing what the people swearing are actually talking about, which I think is weird. One in the morning, I'm with a fucking niece and nephew. You, I'm going home. I cannot be to sit in me. I need to go home.
Starting point is 00:37:36 You are a fucking youth in me right now. You're a fucking other girl. He's sleeping next to me. You're a fucking. So, you know, pretty angry. Pretty angry. Oh, actually one more. Right now with Papa Johns, create your own pizza for only $9.99.
Starting point is 00:37:51 Any toppings on original thin or New York style crust. Sorry, that was obviously a commercial for Papa John's pizza. Constant hearing the name John and thinking about pizza made me do that. Better voicemails. More drunken texts, Papa Karen. Between 1.30 a.m. and 2 a.m. The McCabe's and at least two other people left 34 Fairview Road. No one will claim to have noticed anything suspicious outside like John's body.
Starting point is 00:38:13 And to be fair to them, visibility outside, again. and is terrible. Not surprised, no one saw anything, literally white out blizzard conditions. This is the second largest January blizzard in Massachusetts recorded history. The wind is blowing hard, the snow is dumping harder. Between 4 and 5 a.m. on the morning of Saturday, January 29th, Reed woke up and realized that O'Keefe had still not returned home. Reed called both Jennifer McCabe and another friend, Carrie Roberts, good friend of O'Keeves, to let them know.
Starting point is 00:38:42 McCabe and Roberts both agreed to help Reed drive around and look for O'Keefe. Reid allegedly said to them, I wonder if he's dead. It's snowing. He got hit by a plow. Ring camera footage showed Reed back in her Lexus out of the driveway at 507 a.m. backing into O'Keefe's parked car. She didn't hit it hard, but she hit it. Footage does not show if there was damage done to Reed's FUSUV, but there definitely could have been.
Starting point is 00:39:05 Again, dump and snow. Visibility shit. Reed, McCabe, and Roberts returned to the Albert House at 34 Fairview Road at approximately 6 a.m. And within just a few minutes, Reed spotted O'Keefe laying face down not moving in the snow-covered yard. She rushed over to him while McCabe called 911 at 604 a.m. Reed and Roberts would both attempt CPR. But O'Keefe's body was cold, very cold, and unresponsive. He'd clearly been dead for a while.
Starting point is 00:39:33 Emergency services arrived within minutes. Canton Police arrived shortly afterwards. Although Canton PD initially responded and worked the scene, the Massachusetts State Police will be the ones who will lead the investigation because a member of the Albert family is on the Canton police force, and therefore there is a conflict of interest. There's going to be so many conflicts of interest in this case. This is all happening in the Albert front yard, obviously,
Starting point is 00:39:54 and curiously, no one from within the house comes outside. Maybe they were all still drunk and passed out. Jennifer McCabe Googles, Hoss long to die in cold. Obviously, it's typos, like how long, but H-O-S. How long to die in cold? This text will become one of the biggest, talked about most scrutinized pieces of evidence at the trial.
Starting point is 00:40:15 McCabe said that she made that search, meant to have been, of course, how long did I cold, at the request of Karen Reed. Even if that's true, though, not that suspicious to me. They act like it's so suspicious. In that situation,
Starting point is 00:40:28 I might wonder the same thing. I probably would wonder that if I was trying to figure out what's going on. What happened? Round 6.30 a.m., Sergeant Michael Link from the Canton PD, who was off duty, took statements from Jennifer McCabe and Carrie Roberts. Carrie was a childhood friend of John O'Keefe's, I mentioned,
Starting point is 00:40:42 who Karen had contacted while worried about John's whereabouts. John O'Keefe's body was now taken to Good Samaritan Hospital. He was officially pronounced dead at 7.59 a.m. And while that is the official time of death, investigators will state that they believed, of course, that he had died several hours earlier. Photos were curiously not taken of his body before he was removed from the scene,
Starting point is 00:41:03 which is generally how it's done. Few quick words about Sergeant Lank before moving forward. He'd known the Albert brothers since childhood. and actually over 20 years earlier in 2002, when Lank was off duty and drinking, so much hard drinking, so many hard drinking Boston area cops this episode, he had run into Chris Albert,
Starting point is 00:41:22 who had told him that he had been harassed by a pair of brothers. Lankton got into a fist fight, summoned police back up, punched one alleged assailant in the face, and was accused of spitting in the face of another wall handcuffed. He was fucking heeded. Lank settled a federal case regarding all this and testified that he would have come to a similar time,
Starting point is 00:41:40 type of defense for any other random civilian. Okay, 9 a.m. Jennifer McCabe called Sergeant Michael Lank, asked him to return to the Fairview Road residents to add some information to her statement. Officers returned. McCabe told him she recalled Reed saying, quote, I hope I didn't hit him while they were driving. And that recollection will haunt her in court.
Starting point is 00:42:01 At 9.08 a.m., a blood draw showed that Reed had an ethanol reading of 93 milligrams per deciliter, a forensic toxicologist, will later explain that meant that her blood alcohol concentration. Her BAC that morning was between 0.07 and 0.08 percent, which meant it had been anywhere from 0.13 to 0.29% around 12.45 a.m. Massachusetts state law for being charged for operating under the influence is a BAC of 0.8% or greater. So nearly nine hours after Karen Reid drove John O'Keefe to 34 Fairview Road and then herself home, she still had a BAC that was near or at the legal. limit, which means when she was driving that night, she wasn't just drunk, she was
Starting point is 00:42:45 fucking obliterated, hammered, possibly on the edge of being blackout drunk. The high-range estimate for Reid's BAC at the time she left the bar where she was drinking with numerous law enforcement officers, including her boyfriend, where they were all drinking, was 0.29% in the National Institute on Alcohol Abuse and Alcoholism, says the BAC were the risk of loss of consciousness and death due to alcohol poisoning begins is 0.31%. and again, her, she was possibly at 0.29%. A toxicology report for O'Keefe showed that he died with the BAC of between 0.21 and 0.28%. Those two were going fucking hard.
Starting point is 00:43:24 None of the other potential witnesses had a blood alcohol test done as part of the investigation, so it's unknown how they're drinking compared to reeds. I'm going to guess some of them were similar. I feel like this whole group didn't fuck around when he came to drinking. At 11 a.m., Massachusetts State Trooper Michael Proctor and Sergeant Yuri Bukinick arrived at 34 Fairview Road to interview witnesses. Just to be clear, these two officers are not members of the Canton Police Department. At 4.30 p.m., Trooper Proctor and Sergeant Bukinick interviewed Karen Reed in her parents' home,
Starting point is 00:43:56 and her SUV was impounded as part of their investigation. Clearly, she was already the prime suspect in John's death, and they were already zeroing in on her. 5.30 p.m. The State Police Special Emergency Response Team arrived at the scene. and collected two red plastic taillight pieces, one clear plastic taillight, and a Nike shoe matching the one that O'Keefe was wearing. And I'm going to pause for a second to talk about how the evidence was collected
Starting point is 00:44:20 at the crime scene before state police arrived. It's 2026, right? We've probably all seen at least one procedural true crime show. This demonstrated how a crime scene is processed and how evidence is collected. You can probably picture it, right? A team of specialized, you know, highly trained professionals carefully collecting samples and plastic bags and vials,
Starting point is 00:44:42 photographing them, sealing them to prevent, you know, evidence contamination, dusting for fingerprints, searching high and low carefully for evidence. But this, this was not that. Not even fucking close. This was some bumbling Keystone cop shit at best. Corruption at worst. Before the state special emergency response team arrived,
Starting point is 00:45:05 the can't please department started a process of scene so fucking poorly. They uncovered some potential pieces of evidence, including some blood in the snow, some broken glass, and can police officer, Paul Gallagher, he's the ranking officer at the scene, major part of the initial search,
Starting point is 00:45:20 along with Gallagher, Sergeant Michael Lang, Sergeant Sean Good, they were at the scene, and Officer Gallagher used a fucking leaf blower to remove snow from around the site where O'Keefe's body had been and possibly blew away important evidence in the process. But he didn't cover a broken drinking glass.
Starting point is 00:45:36 Fucking leaf blower. Not a gloved hand. Not a small shovel, not a piece of specialized crime scene equipment meant to be used carefully, you know, to delicately collect evidence. No, a leaf blower. The Gallagher had sent Sergeant Good to go get from home. And this leafblower was only the beginning of the unconventional methods and questionable decisions. Officer Gallagher went to a neighbor across the street's house, the home belonging to Deputy Chief Thomas Thomas Keller Jr. Of the Canton PD.
Starting point is 00:46:03 I love how the story makes it seem like 90% of all the men in Cantor cops and they all know each other. Deputy Chief Keller gave Gallagher some red solo cups and brown paper stop and shop bags. Also, Gallagher did not bother to ask about his doorbell camera or the important smoking gun footage that could possibly be on it. They could extract from it. Unreal. Instead, Gallagher and team
Starting point is 00:46:22 use six Red Solo cups to just sloop up some blood from the snow. The same Red Solo cups famous for Beer Pong and Knights ending in excellent decisions. Fucking amazing. A leaf blower and red solo cups. Fantastic work. the red solar cups were then carefully placed in brown paper bags to be transported as important evidence
Starting point is 00:46:42 just like you would watch happen on CSI or Law & Order SVU Incredible making this all even dumber the nearest police stations only approximately a mile away from the crime scene and Canton PD to be clear do have equipment especially specifically for collecting evidence designed to reduce a chance of cross-contamination contamination I got none of that equipment
Starting point is 00:47:02 is a leafblower or a solo cup It was like instead of sending an officer to the station for proper materials, they were just like, nah, fuck it, this shit will do. Or maybe they thought, what does it matter? We're just going to pin all this shit on Karen anyway. Or maybe they were just hung over. Or, I don't know, fucking dumb. Another interesting choice from Gallagher was to not broaden the area of search beyond the front yard. Neither Gallagher nor the other officers present entered the Albert home, which is questionable.
Starting point is 00:47:27 Didn't question anybody inside the house. And to many, this has all read as, at best, very lazy, half-assed investigatory work at worst, a coordinated cover-up involving members of the Albert family. On Monday, January 31st, an autopsy revealed that John O'Keefe suffered multiple skull fractures, consistent with blunt force trauma that led to bleeding in the brain, along with hypothermia as a contributing factor of death. O'Keefe curiously also had two swollen black eyes and several abrasions and scrapes on his right arm, but also the initial medical examiner did not find, quote, any obvious signs of an altercation
Starting point is 00:48:02 or a fight. others will challenge this. It seems most suspected at this time that a car had hit him, knocked him unconscious into the snow, and then he froze to death in that blizzard. The next day, Tuesday, February 1st, Karen Reid is arrested for the death of John O'Keefe. She is charged with manslaughter,
Starting point is 00:48:19 leaving the scene of a motor vehicle causing death and motor vehicle homicide. Jennifer McCabe told police for the first time on this day that Reed had asked her how to Google, how long do you have to be left outside to die from hypothermia? State police crime scene services, examine Reed's SUV and conducted tests. They confirmed the car's backup camera was functioning
Starting point is 00:48:38 and had alerted the technicians when it was approaching a dummy, meaning, even in the snow, if she'd hit John, she would have known she had, or at least known she hit somebody or something. Forensic scientists also found human hair on the rear of the outside of the vehicle. Following day, February 2nd,
Starting point is 00:48:56 Reed pled not guilty in Stoughton District Court on all charges and quickly posted a $50,000 bond. Also, Jennifer McCabe turned over her phone to law enforcement. Over the next two days, Trooper Proctor and Canton Police Chief Kenneth Berkowitz allegedly found more plastic pieces resembling taillights at 34 Fairview Road. And now let's jump several months ahead to the summer. On June 9, 2022, a grand jury indicted Reid on an upgraded charge of second-degree murder, motor vehicle manslaughter, and leaving the scene of a collision causing death.
Starting point is 00:49:29 Reed was arraigned on the new charges in O'Keefe's death, pled not guilty, now held on a $100,000 bond, and again made bail and was released. The news coverage of O'Keefe's death at this time still pretty quiet. None of this is yet close to national news. While Reed's lead attorneys, Alan Jackson and David Yonetti prepared for the upcoming trial, the story, again, still local news, not even a huge local story, and that will not change into the following year. So let's jump a year ahead now all the way to the spring of 2023. On April 12th of 2023, Reed's attorneys publicly released court documents that they said contain, quote, bombshell exculpatory information, including an allegation that McCabe searched how long to die in cold hours before O'Keefe's body was found, before Reed showed back up at the house, which of course would make, you know, her look like she was doing something real fucking shady. like that she knew that he died before Karen did, which would, you know, implicate her and possibly, you know,
Starting point is 00:50:32 either being part of what caused his death or at least, you know, being part of a cover up around his death. They also revealed that they had photos of Sergeant Proctor with various members of the Albert family suggesting not only a conflict of interest, but the possibility that Proctor could be covering for them. And if he was covering for them, that was because obviously one of them had killed John O'Keefe, not Karen Reed. Week later, on April 18th, the Massachusetts blogger,
Starting point is 00:50:55 we have met Turtle Boy, fucking Turtle Boy, posed a story about the case titled Canton Cover Up Part 1. Corrupt State Trooper helps Boston cop cover-up murder of fellow officer frames innocent girlfriend. Also, the name of Turtle Boy has nothing to do with this guy like loving turtles, by the way. It's a nickname for the Burnside Fountain in Worcester
Starting point is 00:51:15 commonly nicknamed Turtle Boy. It's a statue located in Worcester Common that features a boy riding a turtle, former student, you know, told Aiden that he should use this name for his local block. Later that month, the Norfolk District Attorney's Office learned that some witnesses in Reed's case had received subpoenas to appear before a federal grand jury. On May 3rd, there was a pretrial hearing. This was the first time Reed's defense strategy was revealed with any depth.
Starting point is 00:51:40 Defense attorneys Jackson and Yanetti alleged that O'Keefe was likely involved in a fight inside of Brian Albert's home. They claimed that O'Keefe was beaten that his body was then dumped outside. Jackson and Yenetti focused on wounds to O'Keef's arms, which they felt showed he had been attacked. by Albert's dog, the family dog, this big-ass aggressive German shepherd during a fight. The defense took the stance that Reed had been framed to protect the residents of 34 Fairview Road, thanks to their deep, local, and law enforcement connections. And history has shown that that for sure does happen, right? There's even terms for it. The idea of law enforcement covering for other members of law enforcement is sometimes called the Blue Wall of Silence,
Starting point is 00:52:18 or the Blue Curtain. Norfolk Assistant District Attorney Adam Lally argued that O'Keefe never went in the home quote, there is no evidence that Mr. O'Keefe was beaten and left for dead. Later that month, on May 24th at another pretrial hearing, Alan Jackson told the court, certainly the Massachusetts State Police is involved. There are people that were in that house that are involved. Brian Albert is involved.
Starting point is 00:52:44 Jennifer McCabe is involved. The rest of the folks that were in that house, there's some level of involvement by every one of them, every single one of them. We're not going to rest until we get to the bottom of exactly who is behind this cover-up. Not only Karen Reid deserves this, John O'Keefe deserves this, and has deserved this from moment one. And that's why they're not going to rest. Reed addressed the press for the first time after this hearing from the courthouse. She said, we know who did it. We know. And we know who
Starting point is 00:53:11 spearheaded this cover-up. You all know. I tried to save his life. I tried to save his life at six in the morning. I was covered in his blood. I was the only one trying to save his life. jumping ahead several months again now. I don't know that she was covered in his blood. I mean, maybe. I would think it would be frozen, but that fall by October 11th, 2023, Turtle Boy, aka A.D. Kearney has now posted over 100 articles about this story.
Starting point is 00:53:36 Many of them, titled with some version of the Canton cover-up. He's also sold free Karen Reed merchandise and has raised more than $300,000 for Reed's legal defense fund. His entire blogging identity has become mostly based in believing that crooked cops are framing Karen Reed for murder. And on the 11th, Turtle Boy is arrested on charges of witness intimidation and conspiracy. Now this story becomes national news. Turtle Boy was instrumental with bringing global attention to the Reed case through social media. He was posted multiple
Starting point is 00:54:05 stories a day on his news site, live streaming two to three times a week for hours at a time on YouTube, pushing his claim that corrupt law enforcement officers and witnesses were framing Reed with an elaborate conspiracy to protect O'Keefe's true killers, or killer. The following month, November 20th, Canton residents vote 903 to 800 to audit the Canton Police Department due to allegations of corruption. So now a lot of people besides Turtle Boy convinced there is a cover-up going on that these guys are corrupt. Jumping ahead several months to 2024 now. On February 22nd, prosecutors say that they have DNA evidence recovered from a broken tail light that implicates Reed. Four days later, Judge Beverly Canoni,
Starting point is 00:54:49 delayed the start of the trial from March 12th to April 16th after federal prosecutors released over 3,000 pages of new evidence that the defense needed time to examine. A few weeks later, March 12th, Reed's defense team said that the federal investigation into the case led to ARCA experts, ARCCA, concluding that evidence did not support that O'Keefe died after being hit by an SUV.
Starting point is 00:55:14 An ARCA is a multi-disciplinary, disciplinary engineering consulting firm, with over 30 years of combined experience in the latest technology to evaluate injury, causation, equipment failure modes and effects, accident, accident, reconstructions, the impact of human factors and property and premises liability. Defense attorney Alan Jackson said, the damage on the car was inconsistent with having made contact with John O'Keefe's body. In other words, the car didn't hit him, and he wasn't hit by the car. prosecutors disagreed, accusing Jackson of, quote, defense by obfuscation.
Starting point is 00:55:52 Over the next two days, state police confirmed that lead investigator Michael Proctor was now the subject of, quote, an internal investigation into a potential violation of department policy. Judge Canoni denied a defense motion two weeks later on March 26 to dismiss the case due to, quote, extensive evidence supporting the indictments. During the final pretrial hearing, Judge Canoni heard 30 different motions on, April 12th. Among them was an argument by the defense that they should be able to make a third-party culprit defense during the trial. The defense claimed that Brian Albert, Colin Albert, and Brian Higgins were all present at the party that night, and all of them, any one of them, either collectively or individually, could have killed O'Keefe. From this motion, it became crystal clear that the Reed defense team was going to work on creating reasonable doubt through pointing to a cover-up,
Starting point is 00:56:40 and also by highlighting how, you know, one of the other individuals listed could have been responsible. And now jury selection finally begins April 16th. Opening statements in the trial will start April 29th. And let's talk about them after today's second and two mid-show sponsor breaks. Thanks for listening to those sponsors. Hope you heard some deals you liked. And now let's return to April 29th, 2024, and hear the trial's opening statements.
Starting point is 00:57:07 The prosecution argued that Reed intentionally hit O'Keefe and killed him. They said his DNA was found on the broken taillight and that bits of broken taillight were found at the scene and on. and his clothes. The defense argued their theory about a fight, a dog, and a police cover-up. The defense also revealed vulgar text messages from lead investigator Proctor about Reed while he was investigating O'Keefe's death,
Starting point is 00:57:28 and that'll become a highly talked-about part of this case. One message includes Proctor saying he hoped that Reed would just literally kill herself. Another said, quote, she is a whack-job cunt. Still another said, she's a babe with the weird Fall River accent, though no ass.
Starting point is 00:57:44 And when someone texted him, Is that chick a smoke? As in is she hot, I'm assuming. He texted back, eh, nutbag, as Chief would say. Then he texted again, she's, this is fucking so weird. He texted again, quote, She's got a leaky balloon knot. It leaks poo.
Starting point is 00:58:01 The fuck? What is this guy, 12 years old? I don't get the feeling that he was being absurd or making an inside joke here, you know, that he was making fun of people who do say things like that for real. I think that's who he is. He actually says like things, things like that. Not joking.
Starting point is 00:58:14 He also texted, if you like women who shit themselves and, quote, we're going to lock this whack job up. Also, reference not being able to find any nudes on her phone and being kind of bummed about that. Seems like a real broie doucheback. On April 30th, McCantan paramedic testified that he heard a woman saying, quote, I hit him, I hit him at the scene. Reed's defense team argued that this man's testimony had changed, though, over time. Prosecution claimed that this was a spontaneous confession of Reed's guilt. They called four paramedics and firefighters to testify about the morning of January 29, 2022. On May 3rd, jurors took a little field trip to 34 Fairview Road and waterfall, bar and grill to help them visualize the distances and layouts being referenced in the case.
Starting point is 00:58:57 I imagine many of them ate pizza. At the very least, they definitely smelled it. On May 7th, several Canton police officers testified about their handling of the crime scene. Among them was Sergeant Michael Lank. The defense argued that Lank had personal connections to the Albert family, and he did. he got in trouble for fighting on behalf of Chris Albert back in 2002, if you recall. Also remember that Sergeant Lank was one of the very first responding officers, part of the group that used the fucking leaf blower,
Starting point is 00:59:23 red solo cups, didn't go to the inside the house to question anybody, didn't ask for ring camera footage from across the street. During cross-examination, Alan Jackson questioned Lank about that 2002 fight. Link testified that he'd been out drinking. Everybody always out drinking this episode. You know, if they're not working, they're out drinking. If they are working, maybe they're drinking.
Starting point is 00:59:42 when Chris Albert told him that two brothers were threatening him and his family, right, that night. Lank said he pleaded with those dudes to not fight. However, the fight broke out anyway. What do you do? Lank testified he jumped in to help Chris, right? Through some hands. No arrests were made that night, but the next day, a man involved in the fight went to the Canton Police Department with the complaint against Lank specifically. But then nothing came of that, but the police, the Canton Police did file charges against the brothers for their role in the fight.
Starting point is 01:00:10 No charges ever filed against Chris Albert, who in terms. 2023 was elected to the Canton Board of Selectmen and Chris again is the guy who fucking killed somebody in a car accident in 1994 when he was almost certainly fucking hammered fled the scene, only got six months in prison. Turtle Boy would publish old newspaper clippings about Chris from 1995
Starting point is 01:00:28 about that accident, that death on his blog and also published the police report I read it, it is legit. All of this wreaked of the Canton cops and there came feeling like they were above the law. Jackson asked Link, Was that an example of you using your position as a police officer
Starting point is 01:00:47 to come to the aid of one of the members of the Albert family? Link denied that accusation. Two days later, Chris Albert testified himself that he had known the lead investigator into O'Keeffe's death for about 15 years. And that investigator would be Michael Proctor, that shithead Massachusetts State police trooper who texted all the horrible stuff about Karen Reed, how he thought she was crazy, didn't have an ass,
Starting point is 01:01:07 hope she'd kill herself, called her cunts, etc., etc. Julie Albert, Chris's wife, also tested that she regularly talked to Proctor's sister Courtney. Jesus Christ, everybody fucking knows everybody. The Alberts apparently know everybody in Canton. When everybody in Canton's either a cop are related to a cop. And many of them were douchebags. And everyone eats pizza and gets hammered at least three nights a week.
Starting point is 01:01:27 Better pizza. Drunken cops. Papa Canton. Several Canton police officers also testified this day that the Massachusetts State Police Police took the case over to avoid the appearance of a conflict of interest because another Albert brother, Kevin, was on the town's force. May 10th, retired Boston police officer Brian Albert took the stand. Albert testified that neither O'Keefe nor Reid ever entered his home the night of the incident.
Starting point is 01:01:52 Albert's testimony will round out the trial for the week, and then the following Monday, he'll take the stand again for cross-examination. On Monday the 13th, during cross-examination, Alan Jackson asked Brian Albert about his initial grand jury testimony that he had never met Reed before. Albert later changed the story said he saw Reed with O'Keefe at the Hillside Pub January 22nd about a week before O'Keefe's death
Starting point is 01:02:16 Jackson said to Albert you were asked if you knew Karen Reed on January 28th and you testified I've never met or seen her before. You had not only met but spent several hours with O'Keefe and read oh my gosh and read
Starting point is 01:02:31 I always want to say read six days before the incident on January 22nd, 20th You socialized with Karen Reed at the hillside for several hours. Albert said, yeah, yeah, I was at the bar with her. But several other people were at the bar as well. Jackson then displayed a photo showing Albert his brother Chris, O'Keefe, and another dude, said that photo was taken by Karen Reed.
Starting point is 01:02:54 This obviously doesn't look good for Brian. Why would he say he had literally never even seen her before, let alone met her, if he had spent hours with her at the bar just the week before? The week before the incident. Jackson then switched up his question. now asked Albert about his cell phone, specifically about a directive from the DA's office stating Albert had to preserve his cell phone
Starting point is 01:03:14 due to a motion filed by the defense, which he would not do. Albert said he had just upgraded his phone a week earlier, but didn't mention that to the district attorney. Jackson asked Albert, where is your phone? And Albert replied, my phone was upgraded and traded in for a new phone.
Starting point is 01:03:31 Well, that's not suspicious at all. Albert then explained that he upgraded it the day before the court order so he could preserve it. And at the time he was just to quince it, but he doesn't fucking have it, doesn't turn it in. Jackson also asked Albert if he and his friend Brian Higgins had both agreed to get rid of their personal phones.
Starting point is 01:03:47 Albert said to Jackson, I don't remember having that conversation with Brian Higgins. Jackson also asked Albert if he was aware that Higgins had also just gotten rid of his phone, which of course looks suspicious as fuck. Albert said to Jackson, yes. These motherfuckers knew their phones were going to be analyzed for this trial we're supposed to be,
Starting point is 01:04:05 and they just coincidentally both got rid of him. Uh-huh. Three days later, May 16th, Colin Albert, the allegedly hot-headed son of Chris and Julie, was cross-examined after being called by the Commonwealth the previous day. Colin testified that he had known Michael Proctor since he was a little kid. Colin also said that the only police interview he had about the case was with Proctor in the summer of 2023.
Starting point is 01:04:27 Colin was questioned about a photo taken of him less than a month after O'Kee's death now, O'Keefe's death, shown a bunch of cuts to his right hand, and also the knuckles on his right hand are bruised. He said that came from a fall on the ice. Oh yeah, totally. Because everybody knows when you fall, you make a fist, and you punch the ground to stop your fall, right, to teach the ground who's boss.
Starting point is 01:04:48 Fuck you, ground! You ain't hurt me, bitch! I ain't falling. Fuck you, I'll punch you! Right? That's how it works. No, but seriously, have you ever fallen on the ground and bruised your knuckles?
Starting point is 01:04:57 No, of course not. Me neither. But I have bruised my knuckles, punching shit. Colin testified that he had never been in a fight like ever in his life but then the defense showed videos from years earlier in which Colin had threatened somebody with violence the defense then claimed that Colin could have gotten in a fight
Starting point is 01:05:13 that killed O'Keeffe. Cross-examination really focused on what the defense attorneys claimed was a history of violent behavior with Colin and with his family. The more I have read about the Alberts, the more I get the fascination with this case, they're such a stereotype. Hard drinking, fucking scrappy, clannish, either somewhat crooked or a whole lot crooked Boston area Irish
Starting point is 01:05:34 tough guys, many of whom are cops I feel like the Ben and Casey Affleck would play the two of them in the movie version of all this shit, right? Some kind of like the departed type movie or the town type film. Both movies I love by the way. The week of May
Starting point is 01:05:50 17th to the 22nd, Jennifer McCabe testified that she made the now infamous how long to die in cold right? How long to die and cold? Search on her phone at reads request after they found O'Keefe. McCabe testified she, meaning Karen Reed, she grabbed my hands and said, Google hypothermia,
Starting point is 01:06:06 Google how long it takes to die in the cold. The defense maintained that the search was made at 2.27 a.m. when Karen Reed was nowhere near McCabe. McCabe remained adamant that it was made later. McCabe testified, I did not make that search at that time. I never would have left John O'Keefe out in the cold to die because he was my friend that I love.
Starting point is 01:06:26 The prosecution explained that the reason they searched for how long to die in cold was showing as 2.27 a.m. was because that was the time McCabe opened the search tab on her phone browser for an unrelated reason after returning home, which I guess is how it works. Totally plausible, but, you know, still in the context of all this looks suspicious. Between May 24th and 28th, ATF agent Brian Higgins takes a stand. The defense had previously shown surveillance video from the waterfall bar and grill, seemingly shown Higgins and Brian Albert play fighting at the bar.
Starting point is 01:06:57 Higgins testified that he'd know no key for about. a year that they were friends. Higgins also said he considered Reid a friend as well. Higgins testified that after leaving the party of Brian's house that night, he stopped at the Canton Police Department to move some police vehicles out of the way of plows before then heading home in West Roxbury getting home about 2 a.m. That's weird to me. Dude was drinking for hours and then decided I should be the guy who should move all those cars
Starting point is 01:07:21 during a fucking blizzard in the middle of the night. It's like these guys drove drunk like it was their job to do that. The prosecution at Higgins read dozens. the text messages between himself and Karen Reed from January of 2022 just before O'Keeffe's death. Higgins testified that Reed got his number and initiated this conversation and that they had kissed once earlier in January. So just within weeks of O'Keefe's death. Here are a few examples of the messages all sent behind O'Keefe's back January 16th, 2022, starting at 1259 a.m. Karen, you're hot.
Starting point is 01:07:55 Ryan, are you serious or messing with me? Karen, no, I'm serious. Brian, feeling is mutual. Is that bad? How long have you thought that? Karen, are you okay driving? You don't want to stay here? Brian, I'm fine.
Starting point is 01:08:11 I have an office at the PD. You didn't answer the question. Karen, rather you stay here. Brian, I wish. Then I think you're messing with me. Karen, why do you think that? Brian, because this is so out of left field. And then where do these feelings come from?
Starting point is 01:08:28 "'Caren, I just think you're like me.' "'Ryan, meaning?' "'Caron, do you have your own kids?' "'Ryan, I have no kids.' "'Then, how am I like you?' "'Then, um, hello?' "'Then Karen, aren't we alike?' "'Bryn't I think so.'
Starting point is 01:08:46 "'Then, so why did you get my number reach out to me?' "'Then shoot straight with me.' "'Now back to Karen, I told you, I just think we're alike.' "'And then, right?' "'Bryin, yes, agree. "'Then now what?' Karen, I don't know. Brian, um, shouldn't you know?
Starting point is 01:09:02 Karen, do you like me? What these guys fucking, seventh graders? Brian, yes, from jump. Karen, when was jump? Brian, first time I saw you. Karen, when was that? Brian, um, hillside for sure. When were you interested?
Starting point is 01:09:20 Karen, I don't know, you're just my type. Brian, you think you can handle me? Oh, I thought you were happy. Karen, how do you know if I'm happy? Brian, just assumed. Karen, are you hard? Are you a lot to handle? He can put the question mark on it.
Starting point is 01:09:38 Brian, what do you like about me? Karen, I just feel like it from my neighborhood. Brian, yeah, ditto. Karen, I think you're hot. Brian. You really think that? I've always thought that about you. Karen, what?
Starting point is 01:09:52 Brian, hey, you're hot, smart, witty. But I didn't think you're interested. I know, sorry, I just got bored there. I started throwing out weird voices. In another exchange, Higgins told Reed, he assumed she was happy with the situation, saying, I was, but things have, oh, no, she's, sorry, she replied, I was, but things have deteriorated. Weeks of these kind of text showed that Higgins was constantly asking what Reed wanted from him. He was single, told Reed he wanted the real deal.
Starting point is 01:10:17 I want the real deal, baby. The defense began crossing by asking Higgins if Reed had started ghosting him the fateful night of January 28th. Jackson asked Higgins if he was upset that Reed appeared to be ignoring him at the bar. O'Keefe had recently shown Reid a video of her and Higgins talking, excuse me, and it asked her, Christ, are you guys hooking up? I did not feel ignored, and it didn't upset me at all, Higgins said. Bullshit. This line of question was all done to paint a picture that Higgins had motive to want O'Keefe out of the way so he could pursue a possible romantic connection that perhaps led to a drunken fight. And that, you know, that that perhaps led to it.
Starting point is 01:10:55 Maybe O'Keefe had called Higgins out for flirting with his girl. They're both drunk. Temper's Flair. Fight breaks out. These guys are scrappy. O'Keefe gets knocked to the ground. You know, bangs his head on something. Oh, shit. It's an accident, but now people panic.
Starting point is 01:11:08 They tossed John out into the fucking blizzard to make it look like a snow plow hit him or Karen Reed. Defense also brought up the fact that Higgins got rid of his cell phone around the same time that Brian Albert got rid of his. Jackson said to Higgins, you've destroyed that phone, haven't you? Higgins replied. No, I threw the phone away. Jackson said, well, that's destroying the phone, isn't it? The defense and accused Higgins of using federal resources to download, quote, highly selected information from his phone to turn over to law enforcement. So suspicious.
Starting point is 01:11:41 And then court ended for the day. When court resumed, another defense attorney, David Yonetti, again focused on Higgins disposing of his phone. Higgins told him, it went in a trash bag. Yenetti then said to Higgins, you used a passive voice. It went into a trash bag. Did it fly out of your hand unexpectedly? Into a trash bag, sir? Are you reluctant to say that you put it in a trash bag, sir?
Starting point is 01:12:06 Nice. Unetti asked Higgins if it was important that no one saw his text with members of the Albert family. Higgins denied that implication. Higgins admitted that he threw away his cell phone on a nearby military base. Higgins testified that he occasionally tossed his trash at the base if he was there to visit the duty-free shop or the gas station. that is so fucking suspicious.
Starting point is 01:12:28 Why would anyone just throw away their phone? Why wouldn't you have left it at the fucking cell phone store? Right? The same day you upgraded to a new phone. Anything other than that, giving it to like the cell phone store people when you upgrade? I don't know if you're fucking doing Mint Mobile and you've ordered a new phone and then you throw it,
Starting point is 01:12:46 which also isn't the case. Anything other than that is suspicious to me. I've literally never just randomly thrown my phone away. And none of my friends have to my knowledge either. Like, have you just randomly thrown your phone away? you're like fuck this phone and then you throw away I'll just get a new one later at some point I've never had a hard time getting a hold of somebody
Starting point is 01:13:02 like for a while and then when I finally hear from them and ask them what happened they just tell me oh yeah sorry about I just threw in my phone I don't like it I just threw it in the trash if they did that I would for sure think at the very least they were having some sort of affair and they'd thrown it away to not get caught unless they told me they were like dealing with a stalker
Starting point is 01:13:19 you know being harassed or something or having a fucking mental health episode before concluding cross-examination Unetti said to Hickens sorry, I'm laughing because there's not on my notes, I randomly thought of, okay, or they had a head full of acid. I just randomly thought of a buddy of mine
Starting point is 01:13:36 several months ago at a concert oh, the acid bent the wrong way and he freaked out and literally threw his phone across the lobby because it wasn't real. That's what he said. It's not real and he just threw his phone. But other than some weird shit like that,
Starting point is 01:13:50 it doesn't make any sense. Before concluding cross-examination, explanation. Yanetti said to Higgins, so the jury could hear. From that day forward, no one would be able to discover the content that you discussed on your phone. Yeah, exactly. On June 10th, State Trooper Michael Dushbag Proctor took the stand. Proctor read a series of what he described as unprofessional and regrettable text messages about read, the ones I shared earlier. These texts were brought to light as part of the federal investigation into the handling of the case. Proctor had sent those messages in a group chat with some childhood friends. In a different group chat. After having to stop processing Reed's phone upon finding protected communication between Reed and her attorney, Yenetti, Proctor wrote that he was going through, quote, his retarded client's phone, no nude so far, I hate that man, I truly hate him. The man being Yenetti. How incredibly awkward. How embarrassing for Proctor. He looks like such a fucking idiot because he is. Other texts discussed the case with his sister and friends. Proctor also made
Starting point is 01:14:50 funnel Reed's health issues with Crohn's and with MS. And at one point, as I mentioned, openly wish she would kill herself. Guy's such a douche. The defense claimed these messages showed investigational bias from the very beginning, which compromised the investigation as Reed was locked on to by Proctor from day one. Beyond this case, the text messages of Michael Proctor brought up questions of how bias shapes law enforcement in general. A lot of people paying close attention to this case online are wondering,
Starting point is 01:15:14 did every case Proctor has ever worked on need to be reexamined? Right? Fair. The trial continued with witnesses being called by both sides to talk about physical evidence and eyewitness testimony. Then finally on the week of June 21st, both the prosecution and the defense rests their cases. On June 25th, attorneys presented closing arguments. Prosecutor Adam Lolley opened his closing argument by quoting Reed. I hit him. I hit him. I hit him. I hit him. I hit him. Those are the words of the defendant, four times.
Starting point is 01:15:41 You heard testimony from four different witnesses who overheard and observed these statements from the defendant on January 29, 2022. For the defense, Alan Jackson said in his closing, Ladies and gentlemen, there was a cover-up in this case, plain and simple. Jackson then walked through what he described as destroyed evidence, compromise investigators, and planted evidence. He then stated, it is not that it could happen, it's that every single one of these things that I just mentioned did happen, right in front of you.
Starting point is 01:16:10 And now the jury left to deliberate. Three days later, on June 28th, the juror sent a note to Judge Canoni, telling her they, would like a little bit more pizza. They said they didn't care where it came from. Any pizza from any of the 17 pizza places located within a single block of the courtroom would be just fine.
Starting point is 01:16:27 No, they told her that they were deadlocked. The judge responded that she did not believe they had deliberated long enough and asked them to continue trying to reach a verdict. They just need more time, maybe more pizza. On July 1st, after another three days, the jury sent another note to Judge Canoni. They told her that if she wasn't able to secure more pizza for them,
Starting point is 01:16:45 they would accept either calzone or a bunch of cheese. breadsticks with plenty of marinerer dipping sauce, but not some bullshit appetizer from a fucking bar, flapbread, fucking configurations. No, they again told her that they were unable to reach a unanimous verdict. The jury foreman said that they were, quote, deeply divided. Canoni asked him to return for one final round of deliberations. Later in the day, a mistrial was declared due to the hung jury. Hours later, Triple Michael Proctor was relieved of his duty as he should have been.
Starting point is 01:17:16 week later july 8th reid's defense attorneys filed a motion to dismiss for two charges attorney allan jackson said a juror contact him the day after the mistrial was declared according to jackson the jury had unanimously agreed that reed should have been found not guilty on the two biggest charges second degree murder and leaving the scene of personal injury and death uh the jury was gridlocked on the charge of manslaughter while operating manslaughter while operating under the influence they couldn't agree on whether or not she had accidentally hit him in the blizzard while driving drunk. Fair. The court filing stated that Judge Canoni had not asked the jury for a person what counts the jury was at an impasse on. Jackson said, quote, had the court so inquired, it appears clear that not guilty verdicts would have been recorded for count one and count three. Ms. Reed was denied her right to receive those verdicts in her favor. And this, of course, leads online to a lot more people being like Judge Canone fucking sucks. Four days later, prosecutors responded to the defense's attest. attempt to get two of the three charges against Reid dismissed, saying she consented to the
Starting point is 01:18:19 mistrial and that cannot be taken back now. Ten days later, an anonymous juror spoke as a reporter from WBZTV, said that the jury did not know how to communicate to the judge that they had unanimously agreed to a quit read on two charges. Judge Canoni said a new trial date for all the charges, January 27, 2025, and so the drama continues. On August 23rd, Judge Canoni, whose name sounds too close to Knolly for my liking. Maserati, Bugara Spaghetti and Duna Banderas. I've been fighting that this entire episode.
Starting point is 01:18:50 Formerly rejected Karen Reid's attempt to get two of the charges against her dismissed. That's true. Thank you, Jamie. Special assistant district attorney, it is kind of nice, actually. You know, it's been a while since the years ago in The Secret Sucks, and I've had her confirm a lot of what I'm saying. Special Assistant District Attorney Hank Brennan was appointed by the District Attorney's office to lead the Commonwealth's retrial. Brennan was once a defense attorney for mob boss, former suck subject, Whitey Bulger. high-profiled dude, and no stranger, clearly two working for wildly corrupt motherfuckers.
Starting point is 01:19:21 On February 11th, 2025, the Massachusetts Supreme Court denied Reed's appeal to drop the two charges against her. On February 18th, the prosecution raised concerns about defense attorney's conversations with crash reconstruction experts, originally hired by the feds. Those experts are those ARCA consultants, essentially engineers, and they will play a big part in the defense strategy for trial number two. At a tense hearing on February 25th, Reed's attorneys defended their communications with ARCA. Karen Reed's defense alleged misdirection by the prosecution. Three days later, Reed's defense filed a motion to dismiss her entire case for reasons of extraordinary governmental misconduct. The motion was dismissed.
Starting point is 01:20:02 In the beginning of March 2025, the Investigation Discovery Channel announced they will be airing a new five-part docu series called A Body in the Snow, the Trial of Karen Reed, about the first trial. director Terry Dunn Moyer said that she took on the project after Reed's attorneys looked for someone to follow them through the pretrial and trial process and Moore was excited about the incredibly really unprecedented access she was able to get from Reed and her representation the trailer showed a clip of Karen Reed saying doing this film is my testimony I want to say what happened exactly as it happened and actually I think it's worth playing the audio of the trailer for you and talking about it a little bit to further explain why there was so much interest is fascination around this case Karen Reid is accused of hitting John O'Keepe with their SUV and leaving him to die in the snow. Their relationship was not a happy one. Not a single witness actually saw this happen. There's a whole other side of the story. This is funny, Ms. Reed?
Starting point is 01:20:58 They've got a guilty already. So did you drive your car into John? Doing this film is my testimony. I want to say what happened exactly as it happened. John was Boston police officer. We went to a bar with a bunch of cops. Jen McCabe invited us to the Alberts. Last I ever talked to him, when he got out of my car at Brian Albert's house.
Starting point is 01:21:30 Everybody liked Karen. And everything changed. He was found dead on the lawn of another police officer. This is one of their own, and that raises the stakes. Miss Reed stated that she hit him. Three times. I hit him. I hit him. That statement doesn't appear on any of the tapes. They were shot. I am not on trial. I am a witness. It's impossible to have any sympathy. They're all lying. She'd smile or laugh. She's posing for pictures. Her behavior in conjunction with the heart evidence points in one direction.
Starting point is 01:22:09 DNA evidence placed parts of John on Karen's car. Feels like I'm in a bad dream. This can't be real. She was angry, she had been drinking. I, I hate you. How many calls? There was over 50. I got my . What did you text about going through
Starting point is 01:22:29 Karen Reed's phone? No news so far. There were gasps. One of the most uncomfortable moments of this entire trial. Shame on you, sir. Read, Carrie! Re!
Starting point is 01:22:38 L. Magazine wants to feature me. She was the happiest murder defendant in America. You're either pro-Caron-Reed. or you are pro police. It's become a civil war. This justice system will never be the same after this. I can't believe what's happening to me. Yeah, they say like three times there.
Starting point is 01:23:01 I hit him, I hit him. Some sources say four. I'm not sure what the discrepancy is there. Obviously, we just heard three times. But what you obviously can't see when you listen to this is the way Karen hold herself as she's walking to and from trial, as she's sitting in the courtroom, as she's in a car, outside of the courtroom waving to supporters.
Starting point is 01:23:20 She never appears to be grieving John's death. She seems frankly to be loving the attention and or support. She's getting. And this rubbed a lot of people the wrong way. Not me, actually. The camera and media focus, it does funny things to people. Some people, a lot of people, they just, they like attention. They like to be followed by cameras to be focused on, to have a lot of people invested
Starting point is 01:23:40 in their life to be rooting for them in whatever scenario. Especially in today's fame, hungry, social media-driven culture. And as far as her not appearing said, I think people forget about how rocky their relationship was, how it was on its last lakes. They were not soulmates, her and John O'Keefe, they were two people who honestly appeared like they were right about to break up when John died. Right. She was convinced he had recently cheated on her. She had definitely recently cheated on him, was continuing to flirt with another one of his friends or acquaintances, constantly fighting. I mean, you heard like the voicemails.
Starting point is 01:24:14 I don't think Karen not being torn up about his death over two years after he died here, by the way, when the first trial started, is unusual. A lot can change over 26 months. I mean, if you've dated for somebody for around two years and the last six months or so at least of that relationship was very troubled, and you had one foot out the door already,
Starting point is 01:24:34 then they die, then more than two years go by, are you still going to be just really messed up about it? I fucking doubt it. I would have already processed, what I needed to process a long time, you know, before that. And if I was Karen, I'd be thinking a lot more about, you know, me not going to fucking prison for a long time.
Starting point is 01:24:52 I'd be thinking a lot more about the Alberts and possibly some very crooked cops trying to frame me than I would be about John's death, you know, on a day-to-day basis. I mean, again, you heard the sound bites from her last voicemails with him. She cared about him but also hated him. Her headspace during her trials, you know, wasn't grief, it was war. Her versus a bunch of possibly, again, crooked cops and friends and families. Returning to the timeline, Reed did not take the stand in her first trial,
Starting point is 01:25:18 which was her right. However, now that the interviews with her and the docu-series have been made public, those could be used by the prosecution in the second trial. And would be. On March 4th, 2025, were now over three years past John's death.
Starting point is 01:25:32 Prosecutor Brennan confirmed in court that a federal investigation into O'Keeffe's death was over. March 17, the Body and the Snow premieres investigation discovery reported that in the first week of release, more than 6.3 million people watch the docu series across linear and streaming platforms. Huge numbers today.
Starting point is 01:25:49 With all the content options everybody has. Throughout March of 2025, there was a lot of tension around the case, both sides, busy submitting pre-trial motions, a lot of chatter online about it, social media, you know, has hundreds of thousands of posts across platforms like Facebook, TikTok, and Reddit, deep diving into the first trial, conspiracies fueled by the blogger Turtle Boy. Body in the snow has been seen by millions of people, five episodes, including canon conversations between Reed and our defense team throughout the first trial, a conversation with family and friends,
Starting point is 01:26:20 a lengthy interview with Reed herself. The documentary has given a bunch of people a lot of access to info about the case that has been shaped to the lens of the defense. So now there is a lot of worry about jury bias, especially on the prosecution side, about jurors already having made up their minds before the second trial starts. A lot of people are expected to show up. also at and around the courtroom every day disrupting things, yelling at the prosecution's lawyers, protesting all this, etc.
Starting point is 01:26:47 In part because of this, Reed and her defense team are pursuing multiple avenues to have the trial start date push back or to have the case dismissed entirely. They make numerous requests to Judge Spaghetti, I mean, Judge Ravioli, Canoli, Canoni. And when those are denied, they took them to a federal judge, only to have them denied there as well. but there was also still uncertainty about if the arc of witnesses would be allowed to be mentioned by the defense. On March 31st, Judge Pepperoni Pizza, I mean Pesto Linguini, I mean Canoni, ruled the defense could not suggest that Colin Albert killed John O'Keefe. This was an issue for the defense. Remember, in the first trial, the defense's main strategy was to create reasonable doubt by speculating that either Colin, Brian Higgins, or Brian Albert were men who could have killed O'Keefe during, an alleged fight inside Brian Albert's home,
Starting point is 01:27:40 then dragged his body outside. Well, Judge Football-shaped pasta with Meatball Spaghettios, aka Canoni's ruling, found, quote, as to Colin Albert, the defendant's proffer contains no additional evidence that then that presented at the first trial, and it is insufficient to support
Starting point is 01:27:57 a preliminary finding that Colin Albert had the motive intent and opportunity to commit the crime. As to Higgins and Brian Albert, uh, defense's argument to allow their testimony, that is barely sufficient. and the history of the first trial cast doubt on the seriousness of that claim. Okay.
Starting point is 01:28:13 No clear motive for Colin was ever established. But he did have those bruised knuckles. A lot of chatter about him being a hothead. I do still think he could have got into a fight with John the night he died. The defense painted the entire group of dudes at Brian Albert's house. The night O'Keefe died as a bunch of drunk hotheads quick to violence and that a drunken argument could have broken out about anything led to a fight. The fight could have led to a coverout to protect the party involved.
Starting point is 01:28:35 Still feels possible to me. the defense would still be allowed to make their cases against Higgins and Brian though, but not you know, they were not able to name them as alternative suspects in opening statements. Okay, seems a little nitpicky, but all right.
Starting point is 01:28:50 Next day on April 1st, Reed's defense team, dropped their pants, whip their collective dicks and pusses out in the courtroom, chased Judge Kenonee around the courtroom for approximately 45 seconds chanting, open, boxing, open, coxing, acquit, acquit, or we will shit.
Starting point is 01:29:06 and then they were like April fools and they put their pants back on and everybody had a pretty good laugh a lot of tension was you know relieved they got down in business for real now on April 1st Reid's defense team filed one final appeal with the U.S. Supreme Court
Starting point is 01:29:20 asking the justice to dismiss two of the charges due to double jeopardy concerns. The double jeopardy clause part of the Fifth Amendment clause protects against being criminally prosecuted for the same crime twice as applies to both federal and state courts however does not cover civil cases
Starting point is 01:29:35 This appeal for double jeopardy had already been denied by the Massachusetts Supreme Court and lower federal courts. While Reed and her team were appealing to SCOTUS, jury selection began for trial two. Goal was to seat 16 jurors so the trial could proceed. And at the Sixth Amendment is the right to an impartial jury of one's peers, how did that work in the second Karen Reed trial? Selecting a pool of impartial jury members was something judge canned pasta with chicken meatball spaghettios, Kenoni had to be really deliberate about. from the beginning she was clear the court must be made aware of what potential
Starting point is 01:30:07 jurors already knew about the case and the people involved. In the first round of selection, out of 91 people in the selection pool, 78 had already seen her however talked about Reed's case. 40 of those 78 already formed an opinion. I bet more than that. They just, you know, not being
Starting point is 01:30:23 honest. Sixteen said they had bias for one side or the other. I bet more than that. Knowing that this level of information saturation about the first trial in cases was likely, the office of the jury commission, had called more than a thousand people for duty in just the first week. Karen Reed's defense team made a lineup change for jury selection with trial two by hiring attorney Victoria George. George was actually an alternate juror in trial one.
Starting point is 01:30:48 The last big news to drop on April 1st was also not an April Fool's joke. Remember way back on November 20th, 20203 when Canton citizens voted 903 to 800 on an independent audit of the Canton Police Department while the findings of that report were finally published. incidentally on the same day trial two started with jury selection. The audit was initially commissioned after backlash about the way Canton PD handled their part in processing the scene of O'Keeffe's death, the investigation of Reed, and the death slash investigation surrounding a Canton woman named Sandra Birchmore.
Starting point is 01:31:19 This audit was handled by third, and I'll talk about that much later. This audit was handled by third-party investigation firm Five Stones Intelligence. The audit cost to taxpayers just under 200 grand. key findings from the audit included first responding officers should have photographed O'Keefe for the location of where he was found before fire and rescue moved him to the ambulance.
Starting point is 01:31:40 All interviews of critical witnesses, including Jennifer McCabe and Carrie Roberts, should have been conducted at the Canton Police Department on January 29, 22, after O'Keefe was transported to the hospital. State police, along with Canton Police, should have maintained a police presence at 34 Fairview Road,
Starting point is 01:31:57 pending the secondary search conducted by state police crimes and units. Yeah, as opposed just leaving the fucking yard unguarded for hours. The report also detailed that the police department was suffering from low morale following withering criticism across social media and public protests in front of the police station. The audit ended with several recommendations for moving forward, including recording witness interviews at the police station, supplying evidence collection bags and digital cameras in all department vehicles.
Starting point is 01:32:26 So no one would pull a fucking red solo cup audible again. providing more training for crime scene protocols and high-level reviews of all death investigation reports. All of that could probably be achieved by having the officers just carefully watch one season of CSI and just take good notes. On April 7th, I'm half kidding.
Starting point is 01:32:45 On April 7th, Reed's defense asked SCOTUS to delay her state trial while they decided if they take up her appeal. Two days later, Justice Katanji Brown, Jackson of the U.S. Supreme Court denied this request to delay the state trial. Scotus announced that they plan to consider Reed's appeal for double jeopardy in just over two weeks on April 25th, but that it might take longer to make a decision.
Starting point is 01:33:07 A full jury was seated on April 15th, including alternates. The jury will be made of nine men and nine women. Trial is scheduled to commence with opening arguments just the following week. Next day, April 16th, final motions before the full start of the trial are held. During these motions, the prosecution agreed that they would not call Aiden Turtleboy Kearney as a witness. turtle boy. I know I already explained his nickname origin
Starting point is 01:33:31 but it still makes him sound to me like an apprentice like the fucking teenage mutant ninja turtles or something like he has to run out and get there in pizza whenever they're hungry sharpen and clean their weapons
Starting point is 01:33:40 polish their shells or something the prosecution alleged oh turtle boy my shell is dirty the prosecution alleged that the correspondence between Reed and Turtle Boy demonstrated consciousness of guilt
Starting point is 01:33:52 so Turtle Boy was listed as a potential witness however Turtle Boy and his attorney made it very clear that if he were called to the stand, he would just constantly plead the fifth. He has made it abundantly clear
Starting point is 01:34:02 that he does not like the police in this case, that he thinks Karen Reid is innocent and being railroaded. He is not going to help the prosecution. The ARCA witnesses also are discussed in great detail. The two witnesses who work with ARCA, originally hired by the federal government as part of its now closed investigation. The contention around ARCA has to do with the way
Starting point is 01:34:22 the defense team portrayed their relationship with these two witnesses. the defense presented them as neutral witnesses who had little contact with but special assistant district attorney Hank Brennan said the court obtained a bill from ARCA to the defense for nearly 24 grand
Starting point is 01:34:37 Brennan showed there were emails between Reed's team and the experts with a witness writing in one email if you don't want me to say this that's fine not the best look prosecution wanted the ARCA witnesses excluded or at a minimum that their testimony be confined to only their initial report
Starting point is 01:34:54 from the first trial but alone canoni did not make any ruling on arca at this time prosecution also filed a motion in an effort to exclude anticipated testimony from a defense witness about the injuries to o'keef's arm this expert was expected to testify that the wounds were consistent with injuries from a dog bite prosecution argued that the expert had no experience in pattern recognition analysis or training and that they didn't believe they had ever testified in court before there had been speculation that a fight inside brian albert's home again ended up leading to jon O'Keefe getting bit by the Albert family's German shepherd, Chloe. And this next part about Chloe the dog, praise both jangles, might be the most suspicious shit with this whole trial to me, just regarding this whole trial. Very, very curiously, four months after O'Keefe died, Chloe, who had been the Albert's pet for seven years, beloved family pet, is rehomed, given away, sent to Vermont to go live
Starting point is 01:35:51 on a farm. Supposedly after getting in a fight with another dog. and the timing is very suspicious. They got rid of this dog in either earlier mid-May and what had happened earlier that May? On May 3rd, well, that day, defense attorneys Alan Jackson and David Yonetti
Starting point is 01:36:04 had publicly alleged for the first time that O'Keefe was involved in a fight inside Brian Albert's home. And it was at that time that they claimed O'Keefe was beaten, his body later dumped outside. Jackson and Yonetti focused on the wounds to O'Keefe's arms,
Starting point is 01:36:17 which they said at that time showed he was attacked by Albert's dog during the fight. This is not just fishing. said during that May 3rd hearing. We've got a fish on the hook. We just need the court to help us reel it in. Pretty fucking interesting how just days after that, said dog disappears to Vermont.
Starting point is 01:36:36 Especially when you add up all the other shit along with this. Like how later that same year, Brian, as the defense started to look more closely at him, got rid of his cell phone, even though he was told not to get rid of it. Brian Albert, who was not questioned immediately about the suspicious death that occurred in his fucking yard by the cops who showed up first,
Starting point is 01:36:52 one of whom was a friend of his. and Brian Higgins also just threw away his phone, just tossed it in the trash, and the ring camera footage not grabbed from across the street, and a fucking leaf blower was used, solo cups, on and on. Does not paint a good picture, and more shit's going to come out later. Back to April 16, 2025 now, special assistant district attorney Brennan asked for a hearing that would allow attorneys to question the expert without jurors present. The defense said the expert is, quote,
Starting point is 01:37:19 one of, if not the country's leading experts in training law enforcement in handling canines and has extensive experience with wound recognition. Judge Minestrone Canoni did not rule on this motion either. With two motions without rulings regarding key experts for the defense, uncertainty remains about their inclusion just days before opening statements. These motions, perfect examples of the messy he said, she said, squabbling that was prevalent since the first trial began. And also this leads to a lot of people online saying that Judge Canone is biased for the prosecution. Opening statements given, first witnesses called April 22nd. Hank Brennan, the prosecution say Karen Reid intentionally backed into O'Keefe
Starting point is 01:37:58 after she dropped him off at the home of a fellow Boston officer, Brian Albert, then returned hours later to find him dead. Brennan's opening statement told jurors that facts and data would lead them to the truth, that Reed's own statements would confirm it. Brennan began with setting the scene, describing how firefighter and paramedic Timothy Nuttall responded to 34 Fairview Road in near blizzard conditions. And it is really fucking crazy.
Starting point is 01:38:22 Like the snow, the wind, you see footage of it online, where O'Keefe's body was discovered in the snow. He, not all, looked up at Ms. Reed and he said, what happened? And you'll hear her words through firefighter, not all. She said, I hit him, I hit him, I hit him. Brennan told jurors, we are here today because John O'Keefe was killed by the actions and conduct of that defendant, Karen Reid.
Starting point is 01:38:43 Brennan then laid out the state's case. He told the jury that data from Reed, cell phone and car would be a key part of the prosecution's argument. Location information and data showing the temperature of O'Kee's cell phone battery, quote, will be critical to your analysis of this case. This was not raised during Reed's first trial. Brennan continued with stating that, quote, black box data from Reed's SUV reveals different things than what were discussed in the first trial.
Starting point is 01:39:08 That data proved Reed threw her Lexus into neutral, then reverse, put her foot on the gas pedal to 75% acceleration. Brennan then turned to the voicemails. Reed left O'Keefe after midnight, referencing a.m. message in which Reed said, John, nobody knows where you are. Brennan told yours,
Starting point is 01:39:25 and this is where the plot and the cover-up begins. The evidence will make clear that she knew he was there. She did not call 911. She did not go back for him. She did not leave an anonymous tip. She left him. Brendan ended his opening statement by playing a clip from an October 24 Dateline interview with Reed,
Starting point is 01:39:41 a clip where Reed said, I didn't think I hit him. hit him, but could I have clipped him? Could I have tapped him in the knee and incapacitated him? He didn't look mortally wounded as far as I could see. Could I have done something to knock him out in drunkenness and in the cold, and he didn't come to again? Doesn't sound like an omission or admission of guilt to me.
Starting point is 01:40:00 Sounds like confusion over what could have happened during a literal blizzard when everybody is hammered and she and John are fighting. Alan Jackson delivered the opening statement for the defense. he began by saying Well, way down the under on the chat of poochie Sorry, wrong Alan Jackson. It was clear from this
Starting point is 01:40:23 Alan Jackson, not the country music artist, that the defense had switched tactics a little for trial too. They're no longer focused on finding an alternative suspect because the judge is ruling. This time the defense is arguing reads innocence through a botched investigation cover up by those that 34 Fairview wrote.
Starting point is 01:40:38 Jackson started by telling jurors that the evidence will establish, quote, there was no collision with John O'Kee. Jackson said, quote, John O'Keefe did not die from being hit by a vehicle, period. The facts will show that. The evidence will show that. The data will show that. The science will show that.
Starting point is 01:40:54 And the experts will tell you that. Jackson painted a very different picture than the one Brennan had just presented. A picture where Reed is an innocent woman wrongly accused of this crime due to issues stemming from a blue curtain of corrupt law enforcement. Jackson told the jury that the investigation in O'Keefe's death was, quote, corrupted by bias, corrupted by. incompetence and corrupted by deceit. Jackson blasted the lead investigator, former trooper Michael Proctor, as a, quote, cancer,
Starting point is 01:41:20 who never went into the Fairview Road home owned by Boston police officer, Brian Albert, or canvassed witnesses. Totally fair. I think everybody following this case came to that conclusion, right? The Proctor was a piece of shit by now. Jackson went on saying, quote, you'll see during the trial that he,
Starting point is 01:41:36 Proctor, intentionally lied in fabricated evidence during the course of this investigation. He lied in reports, warrants. lied under oath. He lied about the time that he actually secured Karen Reid's vehicle. Why? He lied because he did not want to reveal that he had access to that vehicle, and he had access to that taillight before any taillight fragments were found at 34 Fairview. At the end of his opening statement, Jackson asked the jury to find Reed not guilty on all three verdicts. Not guilty, not guilty, he said. After opening statement's firefighter slash paramedic Timothy Nuttall took the stand as the first witness.
Starting point is 01:42:10 The prosecution highlighted that Notall, allegedly pretty funny name, allegedly heard Reed confessed to hitting him. During Cross, the defense revealed that Nuddle's testimony changed, though, over time. Between Not All and the second witness, Kerry Roberts, the prosecution played an unedited clip from investigation discoveries abouting the snow. The clip showed Reed saying, I know I said I hit him, but did I really say it as many times as law enforcement is claiming I said it? Robertson took the stand and testified about getting a frantic 5 a.m. phone call from Reed.
Starting point is 01:42:38 And again, Carrie, a childhood friend of John O'Keefe's, some news outlets actually referred to her as the most important witness of the trial. Carrie drove with Karen back to Brian Albert's house when John's body was found, and both Karen and Carrie were the ones who performed CPR on John. And Robert said, referring to the first phone call,
Starting point is 01:42:57 she got the morning they found John's body, the first thing she said was, referring to read, Carrie, Carrie, Carrie, John's dead. Then she hung up. but then she called back. The second time they talked, Reed said, I think something happened to John.
Starting point is 01:43:13 I think he got hit by a plow. He didn't come home last night. Robert's testimony ends day one of the trial and the defense will have the opportunity to cross-examine her the following day. On April 23rd and 24th, the jury hears more witness testimony from Carrie Roberts.
Starting point is 01:43:27 And also from Peggy O'Keefe, John's mother, and Trooper Nicholas Guarino, who shared text messages between Reed and O'Keefe showing the state of the relationship in the days leading up to O'Keefe's death. And over the course of all this, Carrie gets caught in a big lie. She initially told a grand jury that she heard Karen Reed ask Jennifer McCabe to Google hypothermia
Starting point is 01:43:48 as they prayed while paramedics retrieved O'Kee from the snow, right? The question that led to the infamous search, Huss long to die in cold, right? How long to die in cold? Huge part of the case for the prosecution. But under Alan Jackson's cross-examination, Roberts changed her tune. you painted a very, very detailed picture in front of the grand jury, didn't you? Jackson asked, as he pointed to a transcript of Robert's grand jury testimony. Yeah, she said.
Starting point is 01:44:17 Except it's not true, is it? Jackson persisted. I did not hear her ask that. Roberts conceded. Robert said she did not intentionally lie and said she claimed she misunderstood the question when she appeared before the grand jury. That makes no sense to me. It's a big win here for Karen Reid and the defense. why would she say that originally?
Starting point is 01:44:38 You either heard her say those words or you didn't. It's pretty straightforward. If somebody pressured her, was she part of a cover-up? On April 25th, just as with the first trial, the jury visited 34 Fairview Road to see the location where O'Keefe's body was found. In court that day, two witnesses were called a paramedic who took Reed to the hospital,
Starting point is 01:44:55 the day John died, and a doctor who tested her blood alcohol level that morning. Three days later, on the 28th, Scotus denied. Reed's appealed to have the two charges. The first jury was unanimous on. dropped. Also, Ian Wiffin, a digital forensics examiner with the firm Celebrite, took the stand for the prosecution. Wiffin testified that the infamous Huss Long to Die in Cold search on Jennifer McCabe's phone was made around 623 a.m. after O'Keefe's body was found, not at 2.27
Starting point is 01:45:24 a.m. as the defense had argued. Wiffin testified that McCabe was searching something unrelated at 2.27 a.m. and had left her internet browser tab open on the phone. Because of that, when McCabe opened the tab back up. Up, to make the Google search at 6.23 a.m., it registered the timestamp as when the tab had been originally opened. Whiffon testified, quote, it's not until you actually close the tab that the information gets written into the database. Wiffin also said that John O'Keefe's own cell phone data indicated O'Keefe never entered the home at 34, Fairview Road, the night he died. Also, according to Wiffin, O'Keefe's cell phone battery was at 82 degrees Fahrenheit at 12.13 a.m., January 29th, 2022.
Starting point is 01:46:02 from that point on, the temperature decreased steadily, as it would if it had been outside the entire time. O'Keefe's phone was unlocked, then locked for the final time at 1232 a.m. Wiffin said by 1245 a.m., the phone battery was at 66 degrees, and it continued to plummet overnight. This is the win for the prosecution, right? In a sense, it cast doubt on the possibility O'Keepe went into Brian's home that night and got into that fight with the dog and all that shit.
Starting point is 01:46:26 Last question, Brennan, asked in direct examination, was if the data allowed Wiffin to make a determination of exactly where, where O'Keefe's phone was from about 1224 a.m., January 29th, until after 6 a.m. Wiffin testified that, quote, based on the totality of all the information that we described, my opinion is that the device never moved far away from the flagpole. Wiffin was referring to a flagpole in the yard of 34 Fairview Road where O'Keefe's body was found. Defense then started cross-examination, right of the fact that O'Keefe's Apple Health data showed O'Keefe is climbing up and down some stairs at 1222 a.m. The defense argued that
Starting point is 01:47:02 meant he clearly had entered the home. Wiffin testified he had recently tested his own phone, found that Apple Health can log a person as climbing stairs if they're holding their phone while in a vehicle riding up a hill. According to Wiffin's testimony, after moving constantly, O'Keefe's phone came to a complete stop at 1224 a.m. January 29th. Testimony now paused during the cross as there was only a half day of court with the jurors on the 28th and Judge Chef Boy, R.D., beefaroni, pasta, meat, sauce, canoni, still needed to come to a decision about the Arco witnesses. Canoni now questioned the archa witnesses without the jury
Starting point is 01:47:35 present. Next day, April 29th, during day 6 of the trial, the defense wrapped up their cross-examination of Ian Wiffin. The fence said that during the first trial, one of the tools Celebrite used did show 227.40 a.m. As the exact time, McCabe searched
Starting point is 01:47:51 Huss long to die in cold, but it was later deleted, and that a Celebrite competitor found the same and still has it in its record, same text search while Celibrite removed. the timestamp. Whiffin said it was removed in response to his research. He claimed that it was changed due to the research I did
Starting point is 01:48:08 and that was verified by the forensic research team. Before Wiffin stepped down from the stand, Hank Brennan on redirect asked, did you go into your company's software and change it to accommodate law enforcement? Wiffin said no. Brennan asked why he would not do that, and Wiffin testified.
Starting point is 01:48:23 Aside from being unethical to change the data in that way, this is an artifact that is easily validated by any examiner. If I was to tamper it for any purpose of changing the outcome of a case, or for the purpose of that, it would be detected by all of our customers immediately and would destroy the reputation of Celibrite, which I have gotten no intention of doing.
Starting point is 01:48:41 Jennifer McCabe then took the stand for direct examination, the lady who sent the, or did the infamous search of House Long to die in cold. She began her testimony by explaining her friendship with O'Keefe. Then she went into explaining her timeline for the night O'Keefe died in the morning after. McCabe testified that the morning they were looking for O'Keefe, Karen Reed pointed out a broken tail light on her SUV to both McCabe and Carrie Roberts. McCabe said Roberts pointed out a piece that was sticking out, worried somebody would catch her coat on it. McCabe also testified that she heard Reed say, I hit him, I hit him, I hit him, while she was standing near a female EMT.
Starting point is 01:49:16 McCabe will take the stand again to finish direct and begin cross-examination the next day. And Judge, Chef Boyardee, overstuffed beef, Ravily and a can't, Canoni, ruled the ARCA witnesses will in fact be allowed to testify. big win for the defense. Jennifer McCabe will take the stand again the next day. Alan Jackson leading the cross. You brought up the alleged Karen Reid's statement of I hit him, I hit him, I hit him. Jackson noted that during her grand jury testimony, three years prior on April 26, 2022, McCabe literally never mentioned.
Starting point is 01:49:45 She heard Reed say that, not a single time. McCabe said to Jackson, I have testified a number of times, but I was there the morning of January 29 when your client said, I hit him, I hit him, I hit him. And Jackson asked her, did you tell him? that to the grand jurors. McCabe said she wasn't sure. Jackson then said to McCabe, that's because you didn't, did you? And McCabe said, again, I'm not sure.
Starting point is 01:50:06 Jackson then let her know that he had transcripts that proved she didn't. So big win for the defense. Now it looks like McCabe might be part of a cover-up and an attempt to stroke Karen on the bus. Half her take the fall for somebody else. Jackson then asked McCabe about what happened when she left home around 145 a.m., January 29th.
Starting point is 01:50:25 Jackson asked McCabe, did you see anything out of the ordinary on that lawn as you drove by in that SUV. McCabe said no, because I wasn't looking at the lawn. Jackson then directly accused McCabe of coordinating information with other witnesses. He presented a screenshot between her and other party attendees asking questions about the night of John's death that he felt pointed towards that. She said she was just trying to piece together what had happened. Jackson then pivoted to ask about Chloe, the German Shepherd, owned at the time by Brian
Starting point is 01:50:51 Albert, a dog that, as I mentioned, had been rehomed after an attack to neighbor in the months after O'Keefe's death, supposedly, a dog they had roughly for seven years. Jackson highlighted that when McCabe came into 34 Fairview Road to wake up Brian and Nicole Albert after O'Keefe's body was found in the lawn, that dog did not bark. McCabe said, I have no memory of the dog, no.
Starting point is 01:51:11 And then Jackson said, the reason you don't remember the dog being there is because the dog wasn't there, was it? Seems as if Jackson was implying that after the dog had bit Brian, they locked the dog up for the rest of the night that morning. Jackson then switched directions to highlight that when the police spoke with McCabe
Starting point is 01:51:25 and other members of her family, they were together as a group. Jackson continued to attempt to paint Jen McCabe as an untrustworthy witness by bringing up that when officers first approached her in her car near her home, and this is so fucking weird, she told them she was Nicole Albert, not Jen McCabe. Why would she do that? McCabe testified that her response was because she thought they were going to try to sell her something. What? That's idiotic.
Starting point is 01:51:54 even if you did think that, why would you give the name of a friend, especially the friend of the person living at that property where you're being questioned, no less, why would you just make up a name? Are you just not smart enough to be able to make up a random name? This reads not only is a lie to me, but a shitty lie. And why would you lie about that? That's so fucking weird. Also, speaking to Nicole, why didn't she ever go wake her or Brian up when they found John's dead body on the lawn immediately?
Starting point is 01:52:18 There's just a lot of suspicious behavior around that. Jackson now attempted to show that McCabe had been frequently untruthful by highlighting her own statements to officers where she said she had called her husband and Roberts that morning. Jackson pointed out that McCabe had in fact contacted other people during that time. She called Matt McCabe, Carrie Roberts, a witness advocate from the Norfolk District Attorney's Office, John O'Keefe's mother, and Brian Albert. McCabe will then take the stand for the third day to continue cross-examination. On May 2nd now during cross, the defense continues to paint McCabe as a master manipulator
Starting point is 01:52:47 by reading text to show she coordinated stories between friends and family to frame read. Jackson compared Jennifer to a quarterback, saying she was calling the place, right, orchestrating a cover-up. Jackson questioned McCabe about whether she knew if anybody in the property knew CPR or had life-saving training that could have helped O'Keefe, and McCabe said, yes, my brother-in-law, Brian Albert. But McCabe did not call out for Brian Albert to attempt CPR on O'Keefe when they found his body. Cross-examination ended with a tense back and forth between a very defensive McCabe and an assertive Jackson. Three days later, Canton EMT, Katie McLaughlin, who said she heard Reed say, I hit him, I hit him, I hit him after John O'Keefe's body was found,
Starting point is 01:53:26 was called to the stand. She testified in the first trial, and again here, that she did hear Reed repeatedly say that after his body was found. During the first trial, defense attorneys accused McLaughlin of perjury, as she testified that she was nothing more than an acquaintance of Caitlin Albert, though, daughter of Brian and Nicole. My God, they fucking know everybody.
Starting point is 01:53:45 Jackson noted that in the first trial, McLaughlin had only said, quote, I went to high school with someone named Caitlin Albert. now McLaughlin said to Jackson, that is true, and you asked me if I knew her. I said yes, you asked me if we were friends and I said no. Jackson then asked her, you wouldn't say you've been friends for years. McLaughlin replied, we've known each other for years. Jackson then confirmed with McLaughlin that she had attended a baby shower with her,
Starting point is 01:54:12 that they'd went on day trips together, they had went on other getaways together. He showed several photos that included McLaughlin and Caitlin Albert alone together, smiling, having fun as evidence. What the fuck? This collectively looks so bad like all these people are either idiots or colluding or both. It looks like so many people
Starting point is 01:54:30 are either outright lined up the, you know, attorneys, the fucking grand jury, etc. Telling liesable missions, heavily misrepresenting the truth poorly. Like they're not going to be called out on it. Like they assume that Karen would just be stuck with the worst attorneys on earth who just questioned nothing.
Starting point is 01:54:47 Katie McLaughlin clearly knew Caitlin Albert much, much better than she led on. And why not admit that? Why? Is it because they're hiding something? Because they're worried about being accessories after the fact, at the very least.
Starting point is 01:54:58 It's weird. Defense team was clearly working to build up their case that John O'Keeves' deaths was covered up by those in the Albert home. The night that Reed was framed because many of those involved had connections to the Albert family in the Canton Police Department.
Starting point is 01:55:11 Paul Gallagher also took the stand on the second. Gallagher retired from the Canton Police in August of 24 after 32 years of service. We dug in his testimony during the first trial. He was the officer in charge of the scene during the initial investigation. Just as in the first trial, Gallagher defended his decision
Starting point is 01:55:28 to use those fucking solo cups and stop and shop brown paper bags and a leaf blower to collect evidence. He now testified that he didn't have time to send someone to collect proper tools back at the station. But that's another lie. That's bullshit. The police station, as a reminder, was just one mile from the scene.
Starting point is 01:55:45 Less than a five-minute drive. Fucking two-minute drive, basically. Gallagher tested. that he left 34 Fairview Road about 8 a.m. to return to the Canton Police Department. About 9 a.m. 9 a. Gallagher and Sergeant Lank returned to the Albert home as Jennifer McCabe had called to report she had more info. That's when McCabe first reported the I hit him, I hit him, I hit him. After she could have talked to Brian Albert and others. Gallagher admitted he did not take notes or draw any diagrams about evidence locations. I mean, you think he'd know better,
Starting point is 01:56:13 you know, with three decades of experience. A member of the state police crime lab then took the stand to testify about Reed's blood alcohol content, a repeat of the info from the first trial. As a reminder, state police crime lab used a formula to estimate that about 1245 a.m. Reed's blood alcohol content could have been as high as 0.29%. Blackout drunk levels.
Starting point is 01:56:33 Before the court adjourned for the day, a few more witnesses who attended the party at 34 Fairview Road, gave testimony about that night. One witness testified that the first time they were ever asked about the night of January 28th into the 29th by law enforcement
Starting point is 01:56:47 was eight months. months later, October of 2022. Sounds sloppy. On May 6, Judge, Chef Boyardee, B for Avivoli, microwavable cup, Canoni, informed the jury that the case was running a little ahead of schedule. Okay, cool. Same day,
Starting point is 01:57:02 the jury heard the angry voicemails. Reed sent to O'Keefe after leaving the Albert House that we talked about during the trial one. They were also shown clips of the documentary where Reid described O'Keefe leaving her car at the Alberts and a clip of Reed describing why in a previous interview she had said, she remembered thinking,
Starting point is 01:57:18 could I have hit him? Did I hit him? Gallagher also took the stand to finish cross-examination. Alan Jackson used a cross-examination to highlight the read that reads SUV was not photographed in the Canton Police Department until, like in their garage, until February. Meaning that any damage to the vehicle or any additional evidence, such as John's hair ending up on the outside of the vehicle, could have easily been planted. They had a lot of time to do that. also showed a photo of a police officer holding red solo cuffs with blood evidence opened near the SUV while in the police garage, which means that they could have spilled some blood on the fucking vehicle and contaminated things that way.
Starting point is 01:57:58 No attempts were basically made to keep evidence from not being contaminated. Jackson then pivoted to discuss the relationship between Gallagher and ATF agent Brian Higgins, the dude with the group that night at waterfall that sent flirty texts back and forth with Reed to kiss her. Gallagher confirmed that Higgins had a key card that allowed him to access parts of the Canton Police Department. Gallagherer also confirmed that he was friends with Higgins and would have recused himself from interviewing him if the opportunity had come up.
Starting point is 01:58:24 Witness testimony then continued with state police lieutenant Kevin O'Hara, or O'Hara. Probably O'Hara. He testified that he got a call around 2.30 p.m. on January 29th to head to 34 Fairview Road and that more of his team arrived by 6 p.m. His team discovered the broken taillight pieces and O'Keefe's missing shoe, right?
Starting point is 01:58:43 Many hours after the guy's body, but again, it is storming. The first piece of this evidence was found at approximately 5.45 p.m., piece of the taillight. Defense pointed out that by the time the taillight piece was found, the site had been left completely unsecured
Starting point is 01:58:55 for roughly 10 hours. So that's cool. That's fucking crazy. Next day, May 7th, another digital forensic examiner is called to the stand to go over the Jen McCabe Google Search metadata again. This expert testified
Starting point is 01:59:09 that the search was made at 624 a.m. not in the 2 a.m. hour, as the defense kept trying to argue. During Cross, the defense questioned the accuracy of this account, as Apple does not share proprietary source code that would be needed for the most accurate understanding of the data. Defense also highlighted that the expert witness spoke to Brian Tully 10 to 20 times over the last several years while working on her analysis. Tully was the Massachusetts State Police Detective Unit Commander of the Norfolk County DA's office, later transferred out of the office amid in internal affairs investigation, of course,
Starting point is 01:59:43 until he was also one of these supervisors of the classy fellow Michael Proctor. Next day on May 8th, jury is shown security camera footage of Reed drinking at the two bars the night of the 28th, clips from the documentary where Reed addressed the level of alcohol consumed and her driving that night.
Starting point is 01:59:59 State police sergeant, Yuri Buchanek, took the stand. Prosecution had him walked through the day, the fateful day, the subsequent weeks, when evidence was found as the snow melted and his involvement with the group text messages with Michael Proctor. Cross began that afternoon with Jackson pushing Buchanick, excuse me, to explain how big of a role
Starting point is 02:00:19 former trooper Michael Proctor played in investigation. Buchanick attempted to evade those questions leading to Jackson, accusing Buchanick of distance himself from Proctor. Jackson pointed out that Buchanick did not go inside at 34 Fairview Road or call crime scene investigators to search the inside of the home. Why? Why not, right? But Buchanick had no answer, the fucking blue wall of silence. Also noted that Buchanek conducted three interviews of witnesses,
Starting point is 02:00:44 Jennifer McCabe, her husband Matt McCabe, and Brian Albert. And that all three interviews were conducted to McCabe home instead of at the police station. And then Jackson tried to show the jury that all three could have a motive to lie if they were somehow involved. They ended during cross and Buchanick would take the stand again in the next day. As expected on the ninth, Sergeant Buchanick took the stand. morning had a long recess as Judge Hamburger Helper Cheeseburger Macaroni Canoni initially blocked the defense's
Starting point is 02:01:10 attempts to ask Buchanick about Higgins' flirty texts to read. This change when later in the afternoon the defense had Buchanick read the text to the jury. He read those texts for over an hour uncomfortable. He read messages including read to Higgins, you're hot. Higgins to read, are you serious or messing with me? Read to Higgins, no, I'm serious. Buchanek testified, quote, My opinion is that it's an angry girl
Starting point is 02:01:35 friend trying to set up a hookup to hurt on. Court reporters described the jurors ranging from uncomfortable to leaning in to hear more while these messages are read. And that will not be the end of the uncomfortable text messages for Sergeant Buchanick. Near the end of the day, the defense questioned Buchanick about Chloe the dog. Jackson asked him, did you learn that the Albert family had gotten rid of the dog? Euknick answered, we learned that they no longer cared for the dog. I don't know if got rid of as accurate.
Starting point is 02:02:01 After that exchange, court reporters noted that, quote, some jurors took notes as Jackson pointed out that Chloe has had two new owners, and there's no evidence that the Alberts gave her up for adoption, and the day ended again during cross. Next day. May 10th. That begins with Sergeant Buchanick, or Buchanick, on the stand for his third and final day of testimony. Text messages came up again when Alan Jackson asked Sergeant Buchanick about his text messages with Michael Proctor. Text that included the comment, No nude so far, I hate that man I truly hate him. Again referring to defense attorney, David Janetti and Reed.
Starting point is 02:02:36 Jackson asked Proctor, what would be a reasonable interpretation of what Michael Proctor was looking for when he wrote, no nude so far? Motorcycles? Handbags? A pair of shoes? Or naked pictures of Miss Karen Reed?
Starting point is 02:02:50 That's awesome. The cross continued for a number of hours covered many more discussion points. Before moving on to the next day in court, Sergeant Yuri reassigned from the Norfolk District Attorney's Office to an administrative role in the Division of Standards and Training
Starting point is 02:03:02 in Framingham, effective July 6th, 2025, the transfer followed disciplinary action for failing to properly supervised Trooper Michael Proctor for those inappropriate messages. May 14th, the court heard from O'Keeffe's niece and more crime scene technicians, nothing juicy.
Starting point is 02:03:20 May 15th, all about expert witness and evidence, started with the state police forensic scientists testifying further about how the SUV and evidence from the scene was processed. The defense highlighted that the pieces of tail light found at the scene did not have sand, salt, other debris on the inside portion of the taillight, and that the pieces of taillight were not tested for biological evidence. Then the medical examiner who examined O'Keeffe's body on January 31st, you know, shortly after he died, took the stand.
Starting point is 02:03:47 The jury was shown graphic photos of John O'Keefe's body from that examination. The medical examiner testified that she determined the overall cause of O'Keefe's death to be blunt impact injuries to the head and hypothermia. She could not determine the exact manner of death. prosecution and the defense both questioned the witness about their theory for the manner of death. Brennan asked about the potential of vehicular impact, and Jackson asked about the potential of being punched and or an altercation with a dog. The medical examiner testified that those situations could be all possible, but that she could not give one theory more weight than another, which is interesting.
Starting point is 02:04:21 Before testimony started, Judge Hamburger Helper, Cheezy Italian shells value-sized Kenoni had an important instruction for the jury. She said, I just want to be very clear that it's important that people do not comment on the evidence or make any comments, just listen. Do not talk, don't make any facial expressions, no muttering under your breath, no audible noises because people need to hear what's going on and to understand everything. After she said that, the prosecution played more clips from a body in the snow where Reid described finding O'Keefe that morning. Then more forensic experts were called to testify about the evidence found at the scene, specifically his clothes and shoes, the drinking glass, the taillight, fragments. The defense highlighted that the evidence was never compared with Higgins or Albert's DNA, and that O'Keeffe's clothing was submitted to the lab six weeks later by former trooper Proctor,
Starting point is 02:05:09 the doucheback. The crime lab expert also had no chain of evidence logs showing where the clothing had been during those six weeks. What the fuck? What a shit show? Right? Scary lack of professionalism. On May 19th and 20th, a witness from Bodie Technologies took the stand to testify about DNA found on the evidence. they testify essentially that there was no clear DNA evidence in this case. Hair was found on the broken taillight. The defense claimed it was planted. Also, the hair can't be proven to B. O'Keefe's hair.
Starting point is 02:05:39 Defense argued that even if it was his hair, there was no way to determine when the hair was introduced to the tail light. Prosecution, I know they fucked up so bad of this. The prosecution then called a forensic analyst from Aperture LLC to the stand to testify about analyzing data from Reed's Lexus SUV. This is so good. The witness went through a timeline. It's going to be pretty good in a little bit. The witness went through a timeline of various instances of Reed's SUV powering on and off throughout January 29th, 2022.
Starting point is 02:06:07 He explained how he used various surveillance videos from the case to verify the timeframes of various power on events on the day O'Keefe's body was found. The witness testified that Reed's Lexus made a three-point turn between 122359 a.m. and 1224.7 a.m. then drove in reverse between 1230. 0.4 a.m. and 12.32. 12.m. so for eight seconds. Prosecution witness previously testified that O'Keefe's phone stopped moving at 1232 a.m. This doesn't look good for the defense, right? At first, this can obviously be interpreted as Karen backing into John. During cross-examination, the defense questioned the witness's credentials, saying that Aperture's website listed him as having a bachelor's degree in mathematics and business administration, even though he hadn't completed that program yet.
Starting point is 02:06:54 the witness testified that they started their degree back in 2008, but they hadn't yet completed it. They'd been working on their four-year degree for 17 years. So that's not great. So he's not looking like the best and brightest, expert at this point. On redirect, Brandon attempted to show that individuals such as Steve Jobs and Bill Gates also hadn't received their bachelor's degrees. Pretty funny, but also those dudes, the exception to the rule, not the rule.
Starting point is 02:07:20 The defense objected and the judge sustained. Skipping ahead a few days now. this is where it gets really funny for me. Over the course of May 27th and 28th, a key witness to the prosecution's case, Judson Welcher, oh, this guy, an accident reconstructionist,
Starting point is 02:07:34 also from Aperture LLC, took the stand to begin his testimony. Testimony included videos from testing Welcher performed using an SUV similar to reads Lexus. In the videos, Welcher, who is a similar height to John O'Keefe, wore clothes like those O'Keefe wore the night he died. Welcher was holding a cocktail glass during the test,
Starting point is 02:07:52 like prosecutors said, O'Keefe was when they alleged that Reed hit him. Welcher testified that Reed's SUV traveled backwards at about 23.9 miles per hour for at least 54 feet. Welter testified that if Reed took a shorter route, she could have driven the 2.3 miles and four minutes and 15 seconds at an average speed of 32.47 miles per hour or the longer route of 2.8 miles at an average speed of 39.5 miles per hour. Prosecutors said that would line up with the time that Reed arrived at the O'Keefe's home. We know cell phone data shows she connected to his Wi-Fi when she got the
Starting point is 02:08:24 there. The direct examination took all day on the 27th and then cross began on the 28th. Defense asked Welcher if Reed's vehicle would have ended up on the lawn of 34 Fairview Road after backing up at nearly 24 miles per hour, allegedly hitting O'Keefe. Wilter said that was possible, but that he couldn't say for sure because he would need to know where the vehicle is started moving from. This line of questioning led to a tense cross, tense enough we need to include an actual quote. Welcher said, your first question was, And I said, no. Now you're asking possible. Of course it's possible. Whether it is reasonable or not, I have to know the starting position. If it's very close to the side, then it could be reasonable. If it's further toward the middle of the road because snow is building up on the side of the road, then it's probably not as reasonable. I would need more information to be able to determine whether it's reasonable or not. It is certainly possible. It's possible. It could have shot into space as an engineer, but not probable. And then the defense said exactly what I was hoping they would say. say. They asked, oh, you think it's possible. It could have been shot off into space, sir.
Starting point is 02:09:32 Welcher then said, as an engineer, it's a possibility. No, it's not. What are you doing? Stop it. A car backing up at almost 24 miles per hour cannot possibly launch into fucking space. Where do they find these people? If working as a creative ever stops working out for me, these people make me feel good about the possibility of me getting the job in a different field. The competition does not seem rigorous in certain areas. What the fuck was Welchard thinking when he just doubled down in his stupid space talk? The defense then asked, it's a possibility. This Lexus could have been shot into space, sir?
Starting point is 02:10:10 And Welcher actually said, highly, highly unlikely, but again, you're asking an engineer about possibilities and probabilities. Oh, for fuck's sake. Yeah, he was asking a dumb engineer, apparently. Aperture LLC, not getting a lot. a lot of good PR from this trial. I googled, is it possible
Starting point is 02:10:26 that a car driving at 25 miles per hour can somehow shoot out into space? And the internet instead is expected, no, it is physically impossible for a car
Starting point is 02:10:35 driving at 25 miles per hour to shoot out into space. While it is a fun thought experiment, a car moving at 25 miles per hour or even at highway speeds lacks the necessary speed and power to overcome Earth's gravity. That's true.
Starting point is 02:10:49 Thank you, internet. Thank you, Jamie. I fucking love that. I love it. It would not back down. Yeah, I mean, it's possible. Yeah, your car go out of space. I mean, as an engineer, I got to say it's possible. No, you don't, you dumb motherfucker. As an engineer, you should definitely know it's not possible. The defense referenced Welcher's statement on direct testimony. The quote, I have no dog in this fight. But then pointed out, Aperture LLC agreed to be paid $44,500 by the Norfolk District Attorney's Office, then later agreed to an amended contract of $325,000. Money not well spent. should have just thrown that cash into space, which Welcher will probably tell you as an engineer is definitely possible. Welchard will take the stand for a third day,
Starting point is 02:11:32 during which he will again fucking not look cool. After he wrapped up on the 29th, the prosecution rested its case on a pretty weak note with him. Before jurors were in session, on the 30th, Alan Jackson moved for a required finding of not guilty in all charges. This is a typical motion at this stage of the trial, as it would be noted if future appeals were needed. Jackson argued that there was no evidence that a collision occurred between Reed's SUV and O'Keefe and that, quote, no reasonable jury could find Karen Reid guilty.
Starting point is 02:12:01 Brennan encountered that any reasonable person could find that her conduct that night created a plain and strong likelihood of death. Judge Kraft mac and cheese, jalapeno, flavored mac and cheese, macaroni and cheese dinner, Kenoni, immediately denied the defense's motion. And with that, the defense started their case. The first witness called by the defense was a digital forensic expert who specialized in Carr-Dade. and crash reconstruction to refute the prosecution expert from Aperture, which turned out to be a pretty easy job since Welcher had made himself a laughing sock with his crazy space talk. Then on June 2nd, the defense called Kelly Devere, a former Canton police officer who now worked with the Boston Police Department. She did not want to be in court and made that clear.
Starting point is 02:12:44 Jackson asked Devere if she told the outside law enforcement agency that she saw Brian Higgins alone with Reed's SUV alongside former Canton Police Chief Ken Berkowitz. Devor testified. That was my recollection at the time, but that it was not possible because the SUV had been towed. Devers' testimony was a pretty wild ride as she told Brennan on cross that the defense pushed her to testify
Starting point is 02:13:05 that she saw them with the SUV under threat of perjury. Jackson returned to again, questioned Devere, noting that it was not an attorney who charged witnesses with perjury. Jackson said, quote, the fact of the matter is nobody ever threatened you with perjury, did they?
Starting point is 02:13:17 And then Devor said, oh, they did? Yes, I contacted the FBI regarding it. Michael Proctor was not testifying in this second trial. He was probably busy, trying not to let anybody see his face in public. So the defense called a different member of his infamous group chat with a childhood friend of his head. He was to the stand. Hank Brennan read the text messages to the witness and jury to verify the content. We covered those messages with trial one.
Starting point is 02:13:41 But as a reminder, after being asked by a friend of Freed was hot, Proctor wrote, Yeah, she's a babe. Weird Fall River accent, though. No ass. Last witness of the day was Dr. Marie. Russell, a dog bite expert, who testified in the first trial. Russell testified that she looked at photos from the hospital, photos from the medical examiner's office, medical records, autopsy report,
Starting point is 02:14:01 Massachusetts State police reports, photographs of O'Keefe's clothing. Russell said that the injuries on O'Keefe's arm were in groupings that she believed were caused by that dog, well, not that dog, but by a dog's teeth and claws. They don't know what that fucking dog's teeth marks would look like exactly because it's fucking around in Vermont. Russell will take the stand again the next day for cross. On cross-examination, on the third, Brennan highlighted that Russell had never testified as a dog bite expert
Starting point is 02:14:27 other than in Reed's trials, and that she came to the defense after reading about the case on the news. That afternoon, Nicholas Barrows, a police officer for the Dighton Police Department, who was present with Reed's SUV when it was towed took the stand. Officer Barrows testified during Reed's first trial as a prosecution witness, but the defense did not ask him any questions on cross-examination that time. Now the defense asked about his reporting that day. The witness said, I noted in a report that there was damage the taillight.
Starting point is 02:14:53 The note was that the taillight was cracked and a piece was missing, but it was, quote, not completely damaged. A photograph of Reed's SUV with a heavily damaged taillight that was taken inside the Canton Police Department garage is now shown. And the defense asked the witness if that was the condition of Reed's taillight when he saw it in Dighton. And Officer Barrow said, absolutely not. That taillight is completely smashed out. oof this looks so fucking bad for the prosecution
Starting point is 02:15:24 this looks like the cops were 100% trying to frame Karen Reed that they fucked with that taillight to make her look guilty after it was impounded on cross the prosecution attempted to show
Starting point is 02:15:35 that the notes were not very detailed and that the story had just you know slightly changed and we're now going to skip forward a few days June 6th there was only one witness called it was finally one of the
Starting point is 02:15:45 ARCA witnesses Daniel Wolfe a crash reconstructionist Arca had been a contentious issue as it had come to light that ARCA had sent a bill to the defense for nearly 24 grand as we went over, even though they were presented in the first trial as, you know, neutral experts not hired by the defense. Again, originally brought on during the now closed federal investigation. Wolf testified about all of the various tests ARCA had used that ultimately led them to say
Starting point is 02:16:08 that injuries to O'Keefe were inconsistent with being struck by a vehicle, right? If he was hit by a car hard enough to get two black eyes, blunt force trauma to the skull that led to bleeding in the brain several abrasions and scrapes on his right arm wouldn't he also have broken ribs some kind of busted up body what was he doing when karen reed backed up to the car trying to fucking head butt it why would his head and face get busted up and his arm get a bunch of scratches on it but his torso is fine sounds like wounds more consistent with i don't know getting punched in the face then falling down hitting your head having a dog go after your arm uh then it does with getting hit by lexas you know that's going backwards of the
Starting point is 02:16:50 No. Wolf carefully went through photos of the injuries and the damage to O'Keefe's sweatshirt. And he didn't talk about space, not even one fucking time, which was nice. On cross, the prosecution went after Wolf's credentials and methodologies. They didn't seem to do a good job of that. He came across looking pretty damn legit. A few days later, June 9th, Daniel Wolfe was back on the stand to continue cross. Hank Brennan, for the prosecution, asked Wolf if he considered that O'Keefe's sweatshirt may have had holes in locations other than the sleeve. Wolf said he had not.
Starting point is 02:17:19 The prosecutor then carried O'Keefe sweatshirt, which was encased in a plastic frame, up to the witness stand, asked if he, if a hole he was pointing to, was caused by road rash. Wolf said, those are not consistent with road rash. And this was a shady exchange, as I'll explain.
Starting point is 02:17:34 Later in the afternoon, once a jury had been removed from the court, the defense requested a mistrial due to this interaction between Brennan and Wolf. The defense called it a stunt and intentional misconduct by the prosecution. They argued the holes Brennan reference clearly unequivocally without doubt were cut holes caused by the criminalist during his testing
Starting point is 02:17:51 and that they had nothing to do with what happened on January 29th, 2020, and that Brennan knew all of that shit and tried to pull a fast one over on the jury. Judge Posterone, Angel Hair Pasta, with herbs flavor, Canoni, denied the mistrial, but gave instructions to the jury upon the return.
Starting point is 02:18:07 Canoni told them, jurors, I instruct you that those holes were made by the criminalist Ms. Harnett during the course of her inspection and sampling of the sweatshirt back on May 18, 2023. defense called their final witness now, Dr. Andrew Rensler from ARCA, June 10th. Dr. Rensler's testimony was mostly in response to Welch's report on the evidence for the prosecution, Mr. Space Guy.
Starting point is 02:18:30 Rensler disagreed that the injuries were from being hit by a car, and he made a pretty convincing case. If he hadn't been hit by a car, what or who had hit him. He was well-spoken, calm, never talked about space again. Karen Reid would not end up needing to testify. And now on June 11th, the defense arrested his case. June 13th, both sides presented closing arguments. Defense went first. Alan Jackson told the jury,
Starting point is 02:18:53 Oh, way down yonder, no, told the jury the case was corrupt from the very start. Jackson focused on Michael Proctor, the actions that led to his firing. He reminded the jury that Brian Albert's house was never searched. There was no conclusive evidence that O'Keefe was ever hit by any car, let alone Karen Reid's SUV. Jackson ended his argument by saying, we are after the truth in this courtroom. You're entitled to it.
Starting point is 02:19:15 Demand it. Let your voice be heard, not in whispers, but in truth. Let the community feel through your verdict that justice cannot be bent, that it will not be buried. Find Karen Reid not guilty, not guilty. Hank Brennan, for the prosecution, started his closing argument now. Regarding Karen Reid, Brennan told the jury, she was drunk. She hit him, and then she left him to die. Brennan cited Reed's blood alcohol content.
Starting point is 02:19:41 I played a clip from one of Reid's TV interviews for the jury in which she said, I should have been driving. he addressed former trooper Proctor not testifying, stating that he was not needed to prove Reed's guilt beyond a reasonable doubt. Finally, Brennan showed the jury a picture of John O'Keefe and ended his argument by saying, He is not an it. John O'Keefe is not a body.
Starting point is 02:20:00 John O'Keefe was not a buffalo on a prairie. John O'Keefe was a person and he was murdered by Karen Reed. And with that, jury deliberations began again. June 18, 2025, after four days of deliberation, the jury returned with a verdict. of pizza. No, regarding the charges of murder and manslaughter, the jury found Karen Reid not guilty. I actually really want fucking pizza now. I've talked about it too much. Regarding the charge for an OUI operating under the influence, Reed was not surprisingly found guilty. Judge Annie's organic
Starting point is 02:20:31 grass-fed shells and real-aged cheddar mac and cheese canoni sends Reed to one-year probation. And the verdict officially brings us to the end of this time suck timeline. Good job. soldier you've made it back barely all right as many as many of you know there's still a lot going on with this but after all those court details I just didn't want to jump into more
Starting point is 02:21:03 anti-climatic civil case you know details but procedural stuff so I'll just summarize what has happened since four witnesses who testified during Karen Reed's high-profile murder trials are currently returning to court with a civil case accusing Karen and Aidan Kearney turtle boy
Starting point is 02:21:19 of defamation Jennifer McCabe, Brian Albert, Colin Albert, and Brian Higgins alleged in their new lawsuit literally filed two days before I sat down to record this on April 16th that Reed and Kearney orchestrated a coordinated campaign to implicate them in the death of Boston police officer John O'Keefe. None of them were ever, as you know, charge in connection with his death. Also, Karen Reid filed an explosive lawsuit herself a few months back on November 17th this last year, alleging that others were responsible for the death of her boyfriend, and that investigators failed to pursue those leads.
Starting point is 02:21:51 The civil lawsuit filed in Bristol County Superior Court, named as defendants former trooper Michael Proctor, Sergeant Yuri Buchanick, Lieutenant Brian Tolly, Brian Albert, Nicole Albert, Jennifer McCabe, Matthew McCabe, and Brian Higgins. Everybody's suing each other. A footnote in the suit also alleged that Reed planned to add
Starting point is 02:22:10 the Massachusetts State Police and the town of Canton as defendants later on to the case. And a wrongful death suit was filed against Karen Reid by John O'Keefe's family. Three fucking cases. key figures in the civil case will sit for depositions over the next few months. Attorney said during the latest hearing and legal just a week ago as I record this. Caught in the middle of all this will be John O'Keefe's niece and nephew, sadly.
Starting point is 02:22:33 They're currently living with the grandparents in Canton, Massachusetts. I'm not sure how they feel about Karen Reid. All this shit could drag on for years, probably will. In the end, I do hope, after processing all of this that Karen Reid fucking destroys these people. I truly think that a lot of people on the Albert side are guilty of a big cover-up, Just my opinion. And if that's true, I hope it gets exposed. I hope they all get in a shitload of trouble.
Starting point is 02:22:57 I hope if true, their fucking careers are destroyed permanently. Their homes are lost. The retirement's fucking liquidated. Ideally, a criminal investigation is opened up and they end up behind bars. If they colluded against her, that's a special kind of evil. I despise people, truly despise people who try and frame somebody else for what they did. Bottom feed her behavior. As for where Karen Reid's life is now, she could do a podcast appearance any day.
Starting point is 02:23:21 update things further, but as of a few months ago, Per People magazine, she said she was hoping to get the fuck out of Massachusetts following these lawsuits. When the trials were underway, Reed said she sold her Mansfield home, moved in with her parents, lost her jobs. She'd been working in equity research at Fidelity Investments and as an adjunct professor at Bentley University. That was my career and I still miss it. She told Boston radio host Howie Carr in August of 25, noting that now she is not sure
Starting point is 02:23:47 she can, quote, hop back on the commuter rail and walk through South State. every day. She also said more recently on the Rotten Mango podcast that she does not feel safe living in Massachusetts anymore. She said she does not want to ever see another Massachusetts state trooper again. Quote, I don't care if they're reformed or under a different colonel. I've taken too many shots at law enforcement to feel protected by law enforcement. She also said on the episode that the legal system feels broken to her after all this, that while she does have deals in place for movie and TV projects, she has as yet not made a dime on anything and has no book deal. She says she used her life savings, cashed in her retirement to pay for her defense, even with, you know, all the money raised for her, largely by Turtle Boy, it still cost her everything. She said that basically she has nothing now. It appears that she launched a YouTube channel, the Reed files back in November, but after making just a few videos, they didn't really go anywhere. She stopped. I hope things turn around for. After all that, I just really don't think she killed John O'Keefe. I would be inclined to think that maybe she
Starting point is 02:24:48 had accidentally hit him or that a snow plow had actually. accidentally hit him, or somebody from the birthday party accidentally unknowingly hit him with all these drunk people? But if that were true, why all the lies? Why were people tossing phones in the trash? Why did the Alberts get rid of their dog at a very suspicious time? Why didn't law enforcement? Friends of the Alberts do a better job collecting evidence, not contaminating evidence. Why did numerous witnesses all connected to the Alberts tell stupid lies on the stand? When I stand back and try and look at it all, I come away convinced that they're hiding something. What they might be hiding, we might never find out.
Starting point is 02:25:24 If I had to guess, I would guess that John O'Keefe got into a drunken, stupid argument with one of the many drunk, stupid people at the Albert birthday party. Shit got heated. The German Shepherd protecting one of the Alberts attacked him. He threw his arm up to defend himself, got scratched and bit. Somebody hit him in the melee. Maybe a few people hit him, get those black eyes. He falls. He hits his head on something hard.
Starting point is 02:25:47 The fall looks like it's going to kill him. People freak out. They panic. They decided to toss him out. in the snow in the blizzard to make it look like an accident or like somebody else may have hit him. They decided to pin it all on a drunken Karen Reid who was fighting with him. She made a great suspect. She's drunk.
Starting point is 02:26:02 She could have hit him. Could have knocked him down in the blizzard, not even realized it. She's also an outsider, the least connected person to the rest of that crew with that party. Easy target. And a bunch of cops, potentially very crooked cops, they knew that. Maybe they had framed other people in the past and gotten away with it. Now they're cocky. They think this is going to be easy.
Starting point is 02:26:18 They get lazy and sloppy with how they go about this fucking. job. And that's the best I got. I hope for Karen's sake, we someday learn more. And that, again, if this is true, if my opinion is correct, that she gets a fat fucking payday for all her troubles. Time now for the takeaways. Time suck. Top five takeaways. Number one. Let's start with the evidence from the trial. We had black box data from the SUV, cell phone data from all parties, medical professionals,
Starting point is 02:26:50 handling the body hours after whatever occurred, and yet the case is still not clear. Forensic evidence, investigations have come a long way, but clearly there's still room for interpretation, maybe even error, different opinions. The state and defense both had access to the same reporting, especially with trial too, and yet their expert witnesses told very different accounts of what had occurred.
Starting point is 02:27:08 Much like with the OJ trial, this case came down to which team told a better story using the evidence ahead to convince a jury about what happened. So, if you're ever in a lot of trouble, make sure you have a good lawyer. Number two, text messages are not private. Not always. This case in many ways centered around text messages, messages that senators assume were private,
Starting point is 02:27:28 flirty texts between Reed and Higgins, Michael Proctor's inappropriate group chats, even missing potential messages on the discarded phones of Brian Albert and Brian Higgins. That shaped the way the jury and the general public viewed this case, and it should have. Number three, both Reed and O'Keefe had potentially dangerous blood alcohol levels in the morning of January 29, 2020. We won't ever know how much the rest of the group drank that night, but as the group had been drinking out until the bar closed and then decided to drink more at the party, feels fair to assume others in the group
Starting point is 02:27:58 might have had really impaired judgments as well. We know that despite there being multiple law enforcement agents at the party, no one question reads driving home from the bar that night. I think it's safe to assume that no matter what occurred, drinking played a big part. So please remember that driving drunk is never the right call. This is somebody who has a DUI on their record from many, many years ago. It increases your risk of hurting somebody, killing somebody, hurting or killing yourself,
Starting point is 02:28:23 and maybe increases the chance that you'll be involved in two trails from murder. Number four, the blue wall of silence or the blue curtain is the idea that members of law enforcement will cover for each other and not report when fellow officers, you know, fuck up, make mistakes, even commit crimes. Is this what happened in the death of John O'Keefe? Did a blue curtain close around the Albert family home to protect a well-connected family or member of law enforcement the way the defense suggested. We may never know for sure, but I think so.
Starting point is 02:28:53 And that leads us into our fifth takeaway. Number five, new info. Remember when we talked about the external investigation into the Canton police and how there were two cases, not just Karen's, that brought the Canton police under scrutiny? Well, the other one is centered around what happened on February 1st, 2021. About a year before O'Keeffe's death, 23-year-old Sandra Birchmore was found dead in her Canton apartment.
Starting point is 02:29:17 and she was pregnant at the time of her death. Ken PD originally ruled her death as a suicide even though it clearly fucking wasn't. Federal authorities later determined it was murder. A former Stoughton, Massachusetts police officer, Matthew G. Farwell, ended up getting charged. He was an active officer at the time. Federal prosecutors alleged that Farwell strangled Birchmore
Starting point is 02:29:37 so she could not divulge that he had committed statutory rape against her when she was 15, had raped her for years, often while on duty. he allegedly had started grooming her when she was just 12 years old. She allegedly believed Officer Farwell was the father of her child. Her parents also believed that two other men, one of whom was Farwell's brother and another his supervisor also groomed and raped Birchmore. Can police originally misidentified the gym bagstrap ligature found on Birchmore as a scarf.
Starting point is 02:30:07 They also did not compel the DNA sample from Farwell or seize his electronic devices. But then federal investigators found Farwell's DNA on the ligature. State investigators apparently didn't fucking look. Farwell's trial scheduled for October of this year. Is this a case of the Blue Curtain? Sure seems so. Perhaps we will find out soon. Time suck.
Starting point is 02:30:28 Top five takeaways. Blizzard of lies, the Karen Reed murder trial has been sucked. Thank you to the Bad Magic Productions team for help and making Time Suck. Thanks to Queen of Bad Magic, Lindsay Cummins, to Logan Keith, publishing this episode, designing merch for the store at bad magicproductions.com. smoothen out of the sound. A big thank you to Heather Islander for her initial research.
Starting point is 02:30:50 She has worked on either TimeSuck or Scared to Death in some capacity, mostly on Scared to Death for a long time now, since year one, I think. Fun to have her jump back in on a Time Suck script.
Starting point is 02:31:01 Also, thanks to the All Scene Eyes, moderating the Cult of the Curious private Facebook page, the Mod Squad, making sure Discord keeps running smooth and everybody over on the Time Sucks Subreddit and Bad Magic Subreddit. And now let's head on over to this week's
Starting point is 02:31:13 pretty fun, time sucker updates. Time Sucker updates. Let's just keep talking about crime now, about getting arrested. After the Eddie Cole suck, I asked everybody who had either been arrested over 30 times or knew somebody who had been to write in, and by golly, we've got some takers.
Starting point is 02:31:36 A super sucker named Kara sent in an email into Bojangles at timesugpodcast.com with the intriguing subject line of, my husband has been arrested over 30 times. And she's not kidding. Kara wrote, Hi, Dan, long time sucker and creeper here. I listen to your.
Starting point is 02:31:51 Eddie Carroll or Carol, yeah, Carol Eddie, oh my God, Carol Eddie Cole suck, yes. And I've got an update regarding your request for emails about other people with extensive arrest records. My husband, Ryan, is the funniest, most thoughtful, and responsible person. However, it was not always this way. He will be sober for 10 years this June, awesome, and has worked incredibly hard and turns his life round in that time. He was in and out of juvenile detention centers, rehab, jails, and prisons for about 20
Starting point is 02:32:17 years of his life, charges ranging from possession, intent to sell, theft, DUIs, etc. The exact number of times he has been arrested is hard to find as his arrest span over multiple counties, states and years, some from when he was a minor. In the city we currently live in, as an adult, he has 18 arrests. With that mind, he believes he has at least 30 arrests, if not more. For one example, in his early 20s, he was living in Myrtle Beach and in a drunken rage threw a heavy trash can into the street and got arrested for damages.
Starting point is 02:32:45 Thankfully, all his criminal activities were directed towards fairly harmless things, screw the war on drugs, and he is definitely not a rapist or a serial killer. Listening to this suck, I just had to chuckle at how shocked you were, the number of arrests that he had. I couldn't wait to talk with my husband because I knew he would have a similar number.
Starting point is 02:33:00 I'm very lucky I met the inspiring, turn your life around, criminal. Not the murder you and have sex with your corpse, criminal. Yes. In all seriousness, my husband, Ryan, is so amazing and inspiring, such a good example, that it is never too late to turn your life around.
Starting point is 02:33:14 At 30, he was facing the potential of 20-plus years in prison. Now at 42, he has to, an incredible wife, a great career, and so many people that love and respect him. Much love to my rock hard felon father-daddy. Thanks for reading this podcast has given me so much to look forward to for so many years. Extremely thankful for all that you and Lindsay do, three out of five stars would not change to thank Kara. Ah, man, Kara, thank you.
Starting point is 02:33:35 And that's amazing. I love the story. Man, good on Ryan, truly incredible. And good on both of you for building a beautiful life together, right? He turned it around. I wonder if he ever gets nervous after all those arrests. when he sees a cop car in his rearview mirror now, or like a cop seeming to approach him on foot in public,
Starting point is 02:33:53 I feel like I would just always be nervous. May he never be arrested again. And now for a firsthand submission from Super Sack Mike, who sent in an email with the subject line of, not proud of it, but I'm sure I beat 33 arrests before 25 years old. Oh, Mike wrote, hey Dan, long-time listener. Huge fan of all of what you do is support
Starting point is 02:34:16 and what you're passionate about, huge respect, bud. I don't know how this is going to be, how long is it going to be. And I don't expect you to read it on the podcast. Oh, but I am. The subject came up and I figured why the hell not. You mentioned that if anyone had ever had more than 33 arrests to reach out. So I'll start by saying, I probably had more than 35 arrests before adulthood. I grew up in a little lovely place called Fall River, Massachusetts. That's so funny that just came up. Very dysfunctional household. Lived in the projects. Welfare housing Section 8, food stamps, the whole bit. And unfortunately, for the way,
Starting point is 02:34:47 that I grew up getting arrested or even doing time was like a ride of passage. Hell for a while, cop in a state bid, indicted for more serious charges that led the state prison as opposed to county jail, I wore it like a badge of honor, as if, oh, okay, I made it to the big time. As a Jew and I was arrested from everything from shoplifting to malicious mischief, destruction of private property, trespassing, breaking and entering, possession, etc., etc. Dan, it's sad my first arrest was at nine years old for shoplifting. Being a poor kid from the projects, if I ever wanted anything cool, like a bike or some name brand sneakers, I had to steal it. So at nine years old, I was stealing toys. When I was caught, a store called my mom. My mom bluntly said, well, called the cops.
Starting point is 02:35:27 So, of course, the cops came when they brought me to the project, or precinct, excuse me, they put me in a holding cell. They called my mom to which she bluntly replied, keep him. Of course, eventually she came and got me, and I wish I could have been like most kids and learned my lesson, because that was just the start of my long, not-so-glorious criminal career. Mom got so sick of missing work to go to my court dates. Eventually, she left me at the courthouse to become a ward of the state. I mean, that so sad. St. Vincent's home for boys, lockup programs, group homes, etc.
Starting point is 02:35:54 I don't know if you could tell by the path I was on that it inevitably led to drugs, addiction, prison time, multiple sentences, and a shit ton of arrests. You don't need my live story, so long story short is I now have an 18-page record as an adult, not counting juvenile charges.
Starting point is 02:36:09 I'm not sure exactly how many arrests or charges are on each page of a C-O-R-I. If I had to guess, maybe 12 or 15, so you can do math. I surpassed 33 a long time ago. I've been arrested twice in one day. I was locked up early a.m. for public intoxication, released from court around 10 a.m., arrested again by 8 p.m. that evening. However, Dan, I don't want you to think I'm bragging about any of this because believe me, now at my age, I am sorely embarrassed, ashamed, loaded the regret, thinking about how great
Starting point is 02:36:37 my life would have been if I had done things different. However, there's a bright side of the story. Eventually, I got out of Fall River. I fought my addiction, tooth and nail, did all the work, all the programs, maybe 46 detoxes, 11 overdoses, two comas, six halfway houses, four sober homes, and a partridge in a pear tree. I've been clean for quite some time. Now my main focus is on my family, raising my sons to not grow up like me. I married the hottest girl I ever met. We've been together for 20 years, married 14, put that woman through hell and back, but she stuck it out and finally got the husband she wanted. I worked two jobs. Go to the gym. Take part in all sorts of therapy in counseling. Never miss a birthday or kid's soccer games. Never miss Christmases or birthdays anymore.
Starting point is 02:37:20 My boys will never have to steal a pair of Nikes. And I thank God that they were too young to remember the type of guy I was. Today I try to be the man I'd like to see my boys grow up to be. Or better yet, I try to be the man. I wouldn't mind if my daughter brought home. I'd say if it, I'd say it gets easier, but I don't. I feel that people like me end up with a huge carmic debt to be paid to write a lot of those wrongs. But at least now when bad things happen, It strengthens my resolve and I see my way through it. Ten years ago, if ever had a problem, my first thought was usually a felony. If I sat down and thought about it for a while, I could talk myself down to maybe a misdemeanor, or at very least, a civil infraction.
Starting point is 02:37:56 But now I live by doing the right thing. I try and help, try to help, be mindful of others. I try to do good. But no one's looking. Even when no one's looking, I now think things about, excuse me, think about things altruistically. Who knows maybe one day my debt will be paid and life will be all green lights and blow jobs. Anyway, I don't know why I feel the urge to share all that with you, but there you go. Love the show, man.
Starting point is 02:38:19 I've listened to every single episode, some of them two or three times. Three out of five wouldn't change a thing. Believe it or not, I stumbled upon the podcast trying to search for songs on Spotify with my son Jameson's name in it. And Jameson's Irish whiskey suck came on. I'm hooked ever since. A wife thinks some nuts. She thinks your nuts. Maybe one day I'll email out the Cumminslaw debacle I had myself.
Starting point is 02:38:38 It was one of those Pito cult episodes right as I bring my 14-year-old son to pick up a little girlfriend and her friend. of course I start driving out of the driveway the show pops up on the part of the episode where you're talking about some father jerking off his kid or getting jerked off by his kid I forget the actual details but believe me I was embarrassed my son looked at me with an absolute look of horror on his face
Starting point is 02:38:57 luckily just from being in my car all the time he knew no more about your podcast than I would have ever guessed or he knew more and he then went on to explain starting with don't worry guys my dad's not a weirdo he likes learning about cults and serial killers from this comedian he won't admit it but he gives it a three out of five stars all day
Starting point is 02:39:13 But if that's enough out of me, you know the rest, God bless, good boy, Bo Jangles, Hail Lucifina, Glory to be to Triple M, Michael, motherfucker, McDonald. Keep doing what you do. Your show has helped me in more ways and just entertainment. I don't think I'd be writing it.
Starting point is 02:39:25 Otherwise, sincerely huge fan, Michael. P.S., honestly, don't expect you to share my email, but feel free to write back anyway, man. Hope my story reflects hope in general. Don't mind my spelling or grammar. Did most of this my freaking speech to text. Michael, holy shit, dude. Your story does reflect hope.
Starting point is 02:39:42 Like, truly. Good on you, man. You've given your kids a much better childhood than you had. And I truly believe that that is one of the greatest accomplishments one can achieve in life, right? To give your kids a better childhood than the one you had. Like, what's better than that? And you fucking did it. And no one can take it away from you.
Starting point is 02:40:00 So that's amazing. Hail you, man. Love this so much. Thanks for sharing that story. And somebody needs to hear it, I'm sure. And yeah, thanks for the kind words. And now for one more quick one. From satanic sucker Kevin.
Starting point is 02:40:11 sent it with a subject line of satanic panic, motherfucker. Oof, I don't care for the profanity. Kevin wrote, Here this satanic sucker on high. I've always been intrigued when you brought up a satanic panic throughout the years. As a lifelong metalhead in a small town, I've endured the fearful scorn born out of uneducated misunderstanding in small-minded Christian folk, not all Christians I know.
Starting point is 02:40:33 Anyway, back in November, you included a soundbite of peak satanic panic nonsense in the Go Ask Alice suck, and I just knew I had to put it into a song. So I did. And I recently did a limited release of it with my band, Kazra. Since you mentioned Satanic Panic again in the Romp to suck, I figured I would send it your way to check it out. Oh, Kevin, I did check it out, and I fucking loved it.
Starting point is 02:40:53 This is a sick bonus track, man. So I'm going to play it for everybody. This is Satanic Panic by K-K-H-A-Z-R-A, I don't know if I'm saying it right. It's K-H-A-Z-R-A, played from the YouTube channel of the same name. So you can just find this on YouTube, K-H-A-Z-R-A, Again, the song is Satanic Panic. It's heavy.
Starting point is 02:41:15 It's heavy. So good. It's heavy metal rock music. Almost to the point of addiction. It's heavy. Yes. Okay, so that's a little snippet of Satanic panic. Hail Cosra.
Starting point is 02:42:00 Hail Nimrod. Hail all of you. Let's get out of here. I needed that. We all did. Well, thank you for listening to another Bad Magic Productions podcast. Be sure in rate and review time suck,
Starting point is 02:42:16 if you haven't already. Please don't frame anybody this week, especially if you're Leo. Be the noble cop. The world always needs. And everybody who knows a noble cop, man, give him a hug. Thank him for being awesome.
Starting point is 02:42:28 Thank him for their service. They might save your ass someday. They probably already save somebody else, multiple people. The world needs them. And assholes like some of the dipshits in this episode make their already super hard job that much harder.
Starting point is 02:42:40 And keep on sucking. And magic productions. And now how about a bit more, Khazra? This track just came out literally hours, 10 hours before I sat down to record. It's called Hammer Hand. It's one word, hammer hand,
Starting point is 02:43:06 lyric video, Cosra. Careful listening. This evil music, it might make you eat babies or fuck puppies or, I don't know, curb stomp, kittens, whatever. You know how Satan be. Good shit, Kevin.

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