Timesuck with Dan Cummins - 84 - The Demonic Possession of Anneliese Michel 2 of 2

Starting point is 00:00:00 In 1973, 21-year-old German college student, Annalise Michiel, began to descend into an existence of pure and utter madness. She had begun to see the faces of demons appear around her with increasing frequency, she awoke more and more often in the middle of the night unable to move, unable to scream out, feeling an evil presence overtake her body. Her life had become a never-ending parade of visits to doctors and prayer, And neither priest nor neurosurgeon seemed able to help her. Every time her possession-like symptoms would fade for a few days, or a few weeks or even for a few months, and she began to help that a normal life might be still possible for

Starting point is 00:00:36 her, those voices, faces, and feelings of a foreign entity overtaking her body would return stronger and more malevolent than before. Finally in September of 1975, after years of virtually fruitless prayer, meditation, medication, brain scans, and more, the Catholic Church approved that an exorcism ritual be conducted. And then for the last ten months of her life, one exorcism after another would be performed on the deteriorating mind and body of this fragile frightened and tormented young woman. And today, we dig into the details of the final years of her life and leave you with the end to decide if A. Demons in fact are real.

Starting point is 00:01:15 And B. Demonic forces are what took her life on July 1st, 1976. The second of a two-part suck on the demonic possession of Annalise Michele today on TimeSuck. Happy Monday Time Suckers. On the Reverend Dr. Dan Suck Master Cummins and you are a bona fide member of the cult of the curious, Hail Nimrat. Or maybe you're just someone who stumbled into our strange little world because you're simply curious about today's topic. Or maybe you hit the wrong button on your phone or computer.

Starting point is 00:01:54 Or maybe a sadistic madman who happens to be a fan of this show has you tied up in a basement begging for your life and this is what he chose to let you listen to for your final moments on earth. Well, regardless of why you're here, welcome to the suck. I hope you're having a good day. and this is what he chose to let you listen to for your final moments on Earth. Well, regardless of why you're here, welcome to the suck. I hope you're having a good day. And today's time stock is brought to you by this past weekend podcast, hosted by the fucking hilarious Theo Vaughn.

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Starting point is 00:05:13 Speaking of comedy, man, huge thank you to all the Salt Lake City suckers, holy shit. Friday night late show was the only show this past weekend that wasn't completely sold out. The rest were sold out before you could even try to get tickets to the door, which is unreal and I'm so thankful. More people came out this past weekend, it wasn't completely sold out. The rest were sold out before he could even try to get tickets to the door, which is unreal. I'm so thankful.

Starting point is 00:05:27 More people came out this past weekend than they did when I actually shot a special there a few years back and the shows were even more fun. Salt Lake City professional photographer Logan Soronson, he came out to a bunch of live photos, some studio stuff as well. He takes a lot of band stuff, which I love. He just shot Queens of Stone Age recently and it was awesome to have him come take some picks. It's L.M. Sorenson.net, if you're in the SLC area, and feeling like a dream lately, man,

Starting point is 00:05:53 these shows, man, it's so much fun. So I had some fan dressed up as Chiquitilo. Come out of the couple of these shows this past weekend, they're wearing track suits, Chiquitilo, homemade t-shirt, sweat pants, unreal. Can't wait to get more live time sucks on the books. It's just going to be fucking bananas. I hope we get a ton for 2019. San Francisco punchline coming up this week and weekend, Wednesday through Saturday, April 25th through the 28th. If half as many time suckers come out as they didn't salt lake, it's going to be a fucking blast. Spokane is up after that Sunday, Monday, May 6th, live time suck at the fantastic Spokane

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Starting point is 00:08:08 Where you can go on the web to do so. You just Google nominate for Ted Talk in their little website portal comes right up But yeah, man, I would love to do that. I would love to talk about you know how the suck got started and You know and kind of little talk about encouraging people not to give up just because maybe you know what they've done previously hasn't worked keep trying keep throwing stuff against the wall and that if you if you work really really hard at something you still might not get it but you're gonna give yourself the very best odds of getting it you know if you don't work really really hard you're you, way less odds that you're gonna get it. And if you don't try it all, you're definitely not gonna get it.

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Starting point is 00:09:15 All right, let's get to it. Let's get to it. Now bonus episode 20. I know you've been waiting, demonic possession of Anneliese Michelle, part two of two. Right now, beware of Lucifina. Her force is strong in this one. [♪ OUTRO MUSIC PLAYING [♪

Starting point is 00:09:32 Okay, weird energy around today's suck. As I began to dig in today's time suck timeline, I had three pages documents open on my MacBook. That's where I PC lovers. I use a Mac, I prefer it. And I had a document open of about 30,000 words worth of notes, the great Lily Twins, it compiled to get me going, to get me started on this two part suck.

Starting point is 00:09:55 And I also had like my notes from part one, Friday's episode opens the second document, and then I had today's script as a third document. So I got three documents open on my window and kind of arranged them so you can just, you know, like the corner of one is always visible if you're looking at the other one so you can just kind of click between the three and I done that and then I was working on today's script documents. I'm starting to creep myself out and I chose to be nice and dark in the suck dungeon to make this scarier, but I'm working. I've never had this happen.

Starting point is 00:10:25 I'm working on today's script and suddenly the place where I had stopped working on the document with the Lily Twins notes starts moving around like scrolling, but I'm not scrolling it. I swear to you, this has happened. That makes sense. I'm looking at one document and then I see the corner of the other document with the notes that I have looking and it just starts moving on its own and I'm not even touching the trackpad.

Starting point is 00:10:50 I don't think, I don't know how the hell that happened. And then it does it, so I go back into that document and I'm like, well, that's weird. I thought it was just like a weird glitch. I move it back to where I'd left off where I wanted to be in the cursor wise in the notes. Go back to today's script, working on that again, scrolls around again, starts moving again,

Starting point is 00:11:08 super-cryptin out. And you know, I could have accidentally hit some button or maybe my palm was touching my track pad or something, could have been just a computer glitch, but it is weird that I do that every single suck. I do that for every episode and that is the only time it's ever happened. Very unfortunate and odd timing. It's very late. So I just just need to let you know where I'm

Starting point is 00:11:31 out mentally with this one. So last episode we left off with Anna-Lisa Michelle in the summer of 1973. She had been battling a variety of strange ailments since the summer of 69. It was a summer of 69. Oh yeah, yeah. Back in the summer of 69. Oh my hand, we were killing time. We were young restless. We needed to unwind. I guess nothing can last forever.

Starting point is 00:12:04 I think I fucked up that melody. I guess nothing can last forever. I think I fucked up that melody. That was, you just got Brian, Brian Adams. You just got Brian, I didn't even listen to that. I didn't even listen to the song. I haven't heard that song in probably a year, but it's part of it is somewhere in my brain forever. You know, but I didn't feel right.

Starting point is 00:12:18 It didn't, let me try it again. Y'all know be there. Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, of a variety of illnesses, some form of epilepsy for four years. She actually had her first seizure five years before 1968 when she was 16. She also had been a sickly child. She'd got the mumps, measles, scarlet fever. Basically, if something was going around, Annalise was going to catch it. She'd also enjoyed long stretches of good health, though. She lived in the little German town of Klingenberg.

Starting point is 00:12:59 Klingenberg on Maine and was raised in a strict, very Catholic household. She also, if you recall, did play the accordion, aka the devil's hand piano. She'd seen a ton of doctors, she'd suffered a severe bout of pneumonia, spent a lengthy amount of time in a sanatorium. Back when she was 16, had her first seizure, she also experienced her first bout of either sleep paralysis or was visited by some sort of demonic shadow person, or both.

Starting point is 00:13:26 For the past three years, she'd been seeing the occasional demon face, just kind of pop up in her periphery, which she did not seem to enjoy. I bet not. She'd been hearing strange knocking sounds around her room at night in the spring of 1973,

Starting point is 00:13:39 her mom had walked in the living room to find anally staring at an image of the mother Mary with black evil eyes and some kind of demon claws for hands, which her mom did not seem particularly careful. And then in the summer of 1973, her dad took her on a religious pilgrimage to San Damiano, church and monastery near a Cisi, Italy, where there have been incidents of the faithful having allegedly been miraculously healed for centuries, you know, pretty nice thing to

Starting point is 00:14:02 do for, you know, of dad did there, you know, nice of dad to do that. But instead of being grateful, Annalise refused to go inside the church, refused to wear a religious necklace, her dad had bought her, weirded out everyone else on the guided trip, insulted the tour guide, and worst of all, smelled like burning shit on the bus ride back home. And that was when her fam decided to talk to him in a priest about a possible exorcism. It was the burning shit that broke the camel's back. And that dear time sucker is what takes us into today's time suck timeline. Shrap on those boots soldier.

Starting point is 00:14:35 We're marching down a time suck timeline. First half of September 1973 was a busy time in the Michelle Household, Annalisa's siblings, even Ugly old Gertrude, where preparing for work and new jobs, while Annalisa grew more and more depressed about her future. The medications she'd been prescribed for epilepsy and left her feeling depressed and despondent. Uh, Frau Hein, the woman who organized the trip to San Damiano told them she tells that they should contact a priest named father Habager, the pastor of the mother of God, parish in, uh, Shoshanburg, uh, the family met with the priest,

Starting point is 00:15:14 told him about the trip to San Damiano, told him about analysis of version to religious items, talked about demon faces, claw hands, black eyes, otherworldly accordion skills, devil's hand piano, but in person father habiture fan Annelise entirely normal, albeit a little bit shy. He saw no signs of possession, but based on what the Michelle family told him, he did put the family in touch with an exorcism specialist, a priest by the name of father Ezekiel whistle fingers. That's not true. What a tragic name that would be

Starting point is 00:15:47 Like whatever you were ambitious and wanted you really wanted to be successful But you were born with the name of Ezekiel whistle fingers. I think you'd have to change your name, wouldn't you? There's no way you're gonna be Pope you will never be Pope with that bullshit Pope whistle fingers not a chance absolutely not No father average are recommended the Michaels to a Jesuit priest named Father Tinkle McButt Muffin. Of course, that's not his name. That would be another tragically unfortunate name.

Starting point is 00:16:14 His name was Adolf Rodwig. Roadwig, excuse me, and he was based in Frankfurt. I got to say Adolf, also not the best name in post-World War II Germany, but arguably still better than Whistlefinger or mcbutmuffin. So you know whistlefingers, excuse me, should be plural. I gotta get my fake names right. Anyway, father roadwick was the local expert in matters of possession having published several books on the topic. He was born in 1894 with the second lieutenant in the First World War. After the war in 1918, he joined the Jesuit priesthood in the Netherlands.

Starting point is 00:16:45 After studying theology in Bonn, Innsbruck, Voxenberg, he was ordained at priest in 1925 and then later became rector of the college in God's Burg in Hamburg and the superior in Colblance and Bonn. During the Second World War, Father Roadwick was a chaplain of the military hospital or of A military hospital. He met a nurse he believed to be possessed during the war carried out on extracism became

Starting point is 00:17:07 widely known amongst fellow priests. And then this led to hundreds of other extracisms being performed over the following decades. And when he was told about Annelise, he requested a written account of the events. And he also ended up publishing some books on extracisms over the years too. He was like, he was the dude. He was the extracism guy. When he was told about Annelise, he requested a written account of the events, and he responded by stating that he did believe he may in fact be, or that she may in fact be possessed.

Starting point is 00:17:34 But due to his advanced age of 79, he just wouldn't personally be able to be, uh, come involved. So he suggested contacting some, some other priests with some exorcism experience, father, airman in, uh, Schoffensburg, uh, was one of them. Anorcism experience, father, airman in Schoffensburg. One of them and Annelise would see father, airman about 10 times between the summer of 1973 and the summer of 1975. Father, airman found Annelise to be a nice, young woman from a deeply religious home. Annelise complained about not feeling herself, about not feeling like she was always in control of herself.

Starting point is 00:18:04 She tried to describe the demonic faces she'd been seen in detail but could not. She presented no blatant signs of demonic possession in the priest's presence, so he suggested that she see a neurologist and Annalise told him she'd already been down that road many times. She'd had brain scans, she'd been prescribed medication and nothing seemed to help. How terrible would that feel? I mean, can you imagine starting to see demon faces? Like, for whatever reason, just waking up in the middle of the night, you're paralyzed, you see these faces, you suddenly are also feeling a strong aversion to religious objects,

Starting point is 00:18:38 especially if you're a very religious person, you know, the thing that, you know, one of the arguably the most important part of your life, and now you're, you have the strong aversion to it. You're feeling that something else is taking control of your soul, you're hearing voices, and then you go to the doctors and, you know, and you get prescribed various medications and you receive a battery of tests, brain scans, you're giving all sorts of treatment and nothing helps. And now, after years of self-reduct, for years of doctors, you see a priest and he doesn't

Starting point is 00:19:02 know how to help you either. That would be hell for me. Just the constant not knowing how to fucking solve this problem. I'm a control freak and not knowing it would drive me mad. I hate not having a plan. I hate feeling out of control, not knowing what I'm supposed to do to fix your problem. This mentality is why I like flesh wounds. I was thinking about this like bruises and cuts have never really bothered me.

Starting point is 00:19:23 But it's also why I'm a whiny bastard whenever I catch a cold. Because I would much prefer some type of cut, even if you require stitches, than a prolonged cold, because with a cut, I understand the healing process. It seems very manageable and straightforward. Like you get cut, your body works to heal the cut,

Starting point is 00:19:39 and you get to watch the progress visually, instantly recognizable progress, scab forms. Skin and the tissue underneath the scab, repair itself, scab flakes away to reveal new skin, skin fades into a scar over time, the scar itself fades, and you get to watch all of this progress. You see yourself getting better, you see the end in sight. But not with the linkery and virus are cold, sometimes you start to feel better, and suddenly a whole new set of symptoms

Starting point is 00:20:01 manifest itself. You know, you think you're healed, and then you relapse, and you have no idea when it's gonna end. Same in Taldi's why I prefer the forest to the sea. There's predators and dangers in both places, but in the forest, I can see the dangers. I can hear them coming. I can watch them getting closer and moving farther away

Starting point is 00:20:17 and I can constantly reassess the threat. Not true in the sea when you're treading water and God knows what can be coming for your dangle dangle. But fear is unknown. Seriously, it's one of the most powerful fears out there. Imagine the fear and at least must have felt. Not knowing what was inside of her, what felt like it was inside of her and it'd been going on for years. Not knowing if it was psychological, you know, if it was physical, if it was spiritual, never knowing what it was gonna do next. When it would come back because she was constantly going back and forth, she'd feel good and then bam,

Starting point is 00:20:46 something crazy out of the blue would just go on. That drags off for years. Oh, terrible, this poor girl. So, Annelise tried to convince father Armin that medical treatment just won't work. Her parents telling me about the disrespect. Annelise has felt at times, towards holy objects, about the times, and the stench of burning feces.

Starting point is 00:21:04 It's appeared in whatever room she happens to be in you know because they're smelling it too not just her What if after all this they finally discovered that she had just been suffering from really bad gas Like in secret this whole time she been snacking on rotten eggs and rancid pinto beans Rancid it down with spoiled milk and eating so much cheese. Like, limberger, monster. You know what I'm saying? It's a mess, not for digestive tract. So bad, it starts to make her hallucinate. You know, and she just forgot to kind of mention this

Starting point is 00:21:32 for the past few years. Like, how pissed would you be if you were her parent and she finally admits it like five years, after like five years of hell? And you have no idea whether smell of the burning feces could be coming from to your child. Well, Father, now that I think about it, my midnight snack ritual may have something to do with all of this.

Starting point is 00:21:51 Well, despite what Annelise and her parents told Father Erman, he just didn't experience any of these things during the meeting. So he can't just justify an exorcism based on what they're saying. Instead, he and Annelise frequently pray, the rosary together. And during these times, you know, she is calm, she's pious, she shows no behavior that would lead him to suspect anything. And then another priest, here's of Anneliese's case.

Starting point is 00:22:12 Anneliese is introduced to Father Wippel von Dengueberry. I mean, Father Alt. Around September of 1973, a man who, years later when Father Alt is put on trial for bearing responsibility, and Anneliese's death would have his own mental health questioned. nineteen seventy three a man who years later when father all is put on trial for bearing responsibility and anilisa's death would have his own mental health questioned based on the his descriptions letters to the church officials about his dealings with anilisa uh... neurologist would actually suspect him of being a paranoid schizophrenic on September thirty nineteen seventy four father all did write letter to his

Starting point is 00:22:39 bishop describing how he'd come to hear about anilisa the year before and what his initial impressions were regarding her claim of demonic possession. Now keep in mind in this letter he's writing about all the stuff that happens, all the thoughts he has before he meets her. He has not met her in person yet. He's only been shown some pictures and told about her from other priests. And he says, after much consideration and considerable hesitation, I should now like to acquaint you with the case of spiritual counseling about which I spoke to you very briefly when you were here for a visit. This is the case of Annalise Michele of Klingenberg. I would attempt to relate to you the case in order as it happened. My friend, Father Roth, came to me one evening and asked me to help him and some of his

Starting point is 00:23:17 priest colleagues in solving the case of spiritual counseling. This concerned girl Annalise Michele, whom he had not yet met. According to the opinion of some person, she was allegedly, she was alleged to be possessed or at least molested by the devil. Strange verbiage, strange way of saying that molested by the devil. And weird how that is inferred to not be as bad as being possessed. My God, was she possessed by the devil? No, no, no, it wasn't that serious. She was only molested. The devil had no interest in her soul. It was her

Starting point is 00:23:49 tits, he wanted, and her tight, sweet Catholic wiener hole wedged between her virginal thighs. He just wanted to put the tip in, maybe get his devil face down there and soak up her sweet lady scent. That Catholic school girl outfit really does it for the devil. It was molestation he was after. Damn you Luciferina, that was way too sexually explicit. Sorry about that guys, back to the letter. I supposed to tell you, I was supposed to tell by tuning in, by tuning in on,

Starting point is 00:24:16 this is kind of weird language, I use it, by tuning in on whatever she was radiating. I do, I do kind of see why the neurologist was a little bit like, I don't know about this guy. He says, I was supposed to tell by tuning in on whatever she was radiating, whether she was sick or not. Suddenly, I was able to describe the whole family, father, mother, sisters, and grandmother,

Starting point is 00:24:34 something I could not possibly know since I had never seen them. Later, all of this could be verified. As to Annalise, I felt an enormous radiation that originated from her neck or rather from her thyroid and her head. I did not detect any illness. This, of course, did not permit any conclusions as to whether she was possessed or not. Two days later, a fellow priest, Father Armin, who was going to take charge of the case, visited me. He handed me two letters, one written by Anna Michelle, the other by Annelise. So, you know, mom and daughter. I was unable to read them because all of a sudden, I became so nauseated that I thought that at any moment,

Starting point is 00:25:06 I was going to faint. I experienced a strange excitation such as I had never been subject to before, considerably frightening and startling my fellow priest who was a witness to all of this. Naturally, even this experience, of course, did not prove we were dealing with the case of possession. That evening, I celebrated Mass.

Starting point is 00:25:22 I was mentally prepared for Transubstantiation. The moat at the moment in Mass, when the transformation of the bread and wine into the body and blood of Christ occurs. And also included that unknown girl in the sacrifice. All of a sudden, something hit me in the back. The air turned cold, and at the same time there was an intense stench as though something was burning. I was always with the burning shit. I had to lean against the altar, with great effort and only a dent of considerable concentration was I able to speak the rest of the text. I felt deeply distressed as if a negative force were surrounding me, which however, aside

Starting point is 00:25:53 from vexing me, couldn't flicked no real harm. After the service I went to a fellow priest and reported everything to him calmly and in detail. The subsequent night was the most restless I have ever spent. I had taken a very effective sleeping pill, one that had previously always helped, but I could find no rest. My apartment was filled with a variety of stenches, as those something were burning of dung, of an open sewer, of fecal matter, and these kept alternating so much burning shit.

Starting point is 00:26:18 Man, that must be the stinkiest of all stanks, because the devil clearly prefers to torment you with it. They never say what kind of shit it is done. Like, is it human? Is it some other animal? Like, I haven't done a sniff by sniff comparison, but compared to what I've experienced in bathrooms versus cleaning up dog and deer shit in my yard, I feel like human shit smells worse than deer shit,

Starting point is 00:26:40 but the dog shit smells worse than human shit. However, to get a truly fair assessment, I would have to also shit in my yard and have my family also shit in the yard. And then we'd have to leave our shit out there for several days, along with the dogs, let it get exposed to the same elements, left out in the sun, rained on, insects, etc. And then it had to sniff them and see if it's worse. Maybe in that situation human is worse. I did Google what animal has a smelly shit

Starting point is 00:27:07 and I came across one of those weird top 10 list sites and it was top10, top10s.com and they list human poo as being the stinkiest. Followed by cow, horse, pig, then dog, dog is fifth. Elephant cat, monkey, goat, and rhino. Yeah, now this is not a scientific study. They cite zero scientific studies in this top 10 list. So I do question their claims,

Starting point is 00:27:33 but until someone does send me a study, I guess I'll just have to assume that human poo is in fact stinkiest. So we're talking about burning human shit to be very clear. Glad we were able to dig into that thoroughly. I'm sure that's exactly what you wanted to hear. More letter now. It didn't matter whether I reached out to the rosary

Starting point is 00:27:50 or whether I spoke some other prayer, the stench continued. It was literally infernal, literally infernal. Didn't just smell like it was from hell. It actually was from hell. Didn't just smell like it. In addition, there was an occasional loud thumping in my wardrobe. I lay in bed feeling sorely pressed.

Starting point is 00:28:07 I tried to pray. In my own words, I spoke in exorcism, thinking of my priestly power. For a few minutes, I felt easier, but I was simultaneously ice-cold and yet bathed in perspiration. In my extremity, I called to father Pio for help since I knew he experienced similar tribulations. Nothing happened. I repeated my prayer to him and suddenly my room was filled with such an intense fragrance of violets, though I thought I dumped after-save lotion on my pajamas, but it smelled only of my own sweat.

Starting point is 00:28:33 Why is he using violet after-save lotion? That seems unusual to me. Is that a thing? I've never had a violet sent to anything in my entire life. Where do you even get violet sent to? After-save lotion. Ah, I just lost a lot of respect for you, praise. That seems a little weird.

Starting point is 00:28:49 That seems, that seems just, you know, I don't know. The Violet flavored, ah, because like aftershave, lotion, manly, Violet, not manly. This is a very mixed signal. So many smells in this suck. Are Violets what heaven smells like? Google does, doesn't rank them

Starting point is 00:29:04 with even the top 10, I also Googled what's the best smelling flower. Roses show first, Jasmine's up there. What about pussy willow? Is that what heaven smells like? Does heaven smell like pussy? Willow. Strangely.

Starting point is 00:29:17 At the same time, I stopped perspiring and my body felt warm, I breathed with relief, and then only to discover to my amazement, that my field of vision had been very much narrowed, and my color perception was reduced. Now I was able to see colors once more in their normal intensity. The pressure on my head I disappeared. Before having to get up, I fell into an hour's restful sleep. My night had lasted from 11 the previous evening until 5 o'clock in the morning.

Starting point is 00:29:41 When the following evening I told my fellow priests about all of this, they were suddenly able to smell the same strange scent. Stench, the entire parish house smelled as though of burning, although the windows were open. So much fire, so much burning, so much poo. It's like hell, it's just one big flaming sack of shit. Then he says, the molestations did return a few more times, but they became less vivid. And if I prayed the exorcism prayer to myself, they stopped quite abruptly. Occasionally, it was as if I had to struggle against them in the evening. I took a walk with my friend, Father Roth. And once more, we talked about Annalise Michelle.

Starting point is 00:30:16 And then we smelled the same series of stentures. Finally, now I heard some of the details about the girls' affliction. And then he listed the various details. A few weeks later, I met her personally. She was very depressed, but in our conversation, she was able to express herself very clearly, and she obviously had a considerable gift of an ounce. Okay, so at the end of the letter, he's recalling all the things he had before he met her, and the expression that he had met her. And this is a letter written to this bishop. I mean, a serious letter. And man, all this crazy stuff happening to him, just based on thinking about considering

Starting point is 00:30:49 helping this girl. So yeah, it's pretty strange. And that's the bulk of one of father-alps letters. So clearly something demonic going on, or he is a very melodramatic collar wearer, or he's also mentally ill or is mentally ill. I shouldn't say also. So shortly after he experiences all this craziness, father-old actually does, you know, like meet Annelise, you know, like he says in the letter there during one of her first conversations

Starting point is 00:31:15 with father-old, Annelise's face suddenly changes in front of him. Her eyes darkened in a way that the color of her eyes is no longer distinguishable from the pupil. It was as though her soul left her body. The lights were still kind of on, but Annalise no longer home. And Father Alt, of course, now worried that she is being molested, that a devil didler has gotten a hold of her. And then he gives her some kind of priestly blessing. And suddenly, after the blessing, she appears normal again. So obviously he's more intrigued now. After this initial blessing life begins to become normal again for Annalise as well for a little while.

Starting point is 00:31:49 She's able to return to school. This is October 73. Major in education and theology at the University of Wartsburg. That's what she's studying. She stays at a Catholic hostel, quickly acquaint herself with many of the churches in the area. You know, search for places to pray. She starts sleeping with a metal chastity belt and wraps her breast down in linen soaked in holy water to make it that much harder for the devil to do his evil diddlin.

Starting point is 00:32:13 Of course, that last part's not true. But she's taking her medication, she's visiting now, father, alt every two weeks, and life seems to be someone under control for a bit. Everything's cool for a second. But then the demon faces start showing up again, which makes focusing during lectures a wee bit difficult. Uh, yeah, I bet. I would think it would be challenging to pay attention to an hour long theology lecture when you're operating at a 100% max capacity at your top. But then you add

Starting point is 00:32:38 some distracting demon faces into the mix. Yeah, forget it. You are not making the honor rule. And then in November of 1973, Annelise meets a boy, boy named Peter. She gets her first taste of young love. So this is a high point, clearly, in her, in her young life. Her classmates and family knows she's suddenly the happiest she's ever been. And then over the next few weeks, Peter literally fucks the devil right out of her. Just some good dick. Turns out that was what she needed. And now there is an entirely new extraceism method that has been created. It's the deep dick and method. No. Peter does not fuck the devil out of her, but they do share a few happy weeks, probably not full of sex. She was very, very religious. I'm guessing some necking. Maybe a little like over the sweater boob cup. Maybe a little boob cupage.

Starting point is 00:33:26 Maybe like a mild dry hump. Like maybe some mild dry humping. But then two weeks later, Annalisa tells Peter that he has to go. She's been experiencing feeling paralyzed at night again. So there's a sleep paralysis and or she had a people. She's still battling feelings of depression. She's afraid for him to see all this, but he doesn't leave November 27th 1973 Peter not a deeply religious person convinces Annelise to go to get another doctor a therapist this time A man named Dr. Lennor and Dr. Lennor asked her a lot of questions about a relationship with her parents

Starting point is 00:33:58 You know he felt that she was suffering from a case of neurosis brought on by a domineering father and a mother whom she hated because she wasn't allowed to have any boyfriend. Which is an interesting thing to bring up here. She did have a very controlled upbringing. Her parents were very domineering, especially her mom, very active in her life, and her mom was just so concerned about her daughter's chastity and virginity and you know religiousness that she know you know it's very very strict about letting her out about letting boys around it is amazing how often overbearing to press a parenting comes up when you're digging into the lives of psychologically damage human beings doesn't doesn't seem to be the

Starting point is 00:34:38 best parenting style uh based on analyst's description of her symptoms doctor Leonard suspects epilepsy is the cause of the seizures. He refers here to the University Neurological Clinic. The next day, Anneliese goes in for an EEG. Dr. Ergmond Schlepp, the academic director of the clinic, reported irregular patterns in the left temporal area of the brain. The previous five EEG showed no abnormalities.

Starting point is 00:35:02 This doctor assumed it was epilepsy. Dr. Slype switched her from Dylanton to Tegritol. Since Dylanton hadn't completely suppressed the epilepsy like activity in her brain, they were trying to figure out a deal with. Tegritol like Dylanton has various potential side effects. It can cause fatigue, nausea, dizziness among many other things.

Starting point is 00:35:21 Analyze told Dr. Slype of her home sickness for her family and that she couldn't feel for Peter the way she felt. She should. She also spoke of nauseating stenches, which Dr. Slep thought were psychomotor seizures. That can be another kind of seizure, you know, just having suddenly smelling strange scents. Obviously, that would not explain why others around her also smelled these. I guess you can do the only thing you can cite possibly in the scientific community, we explain that somewhat is maybe like mass hysteria, I'm guessing, but you know, that's a, you know,

Starting point is 00:35:54 that one's always like a tricky one for me. It's like, is that a real thing? Like everyone suddenly smell in the same thing that wasn't there, maybe, maybe not, I don't know. But Dr. Leonard Diagnosis, Elmer's a psychological doctor, Sch. Leonard Diagnosis, Elmets is psychological, Dr. Slept Diagnosis is physiological. So they both think it's some combination of mental and physical.

Starting point is 00:36:12 She does not mention the demonic faces to either of these doctors. Peter tolerates, Annalises depressed moods, which come and go. They stay together, they discuss through all this, they discuss religious matters,

Starting point is 00:36:23 and then Peter does start going to church again. Then it was in December of 1973 that Annalise feels comfortable to tell Peter about the demonic faces and about the stenches. And he still doesn't take off. So good for Peter. Annalise told Peter that perhaps the switch to Tecretol had helped. However, it didn't help the stenches which came without any visible source. Her whole family again could smell them.

Starting point is 00:36:46 So that is, again, very strange. Her depression coincided with the stenches and demonic faces. Peter suggested she might be hallucinating. Anelisa explained that when these things happened, she had no control over herself, no say about anything. Struggled against this law, she controlled it, always lost. And March in 1974, Anelisa began to visit father

Starting point is 00:37:04 a little more often, because she can't entirely get rid of the demonic faces, in spite of taking her medication regularly, but talking to him does help. And she quickly improves, you know, when they pray. Annelise tries to visit father-always often, she can, you know, she does feel like his blessings are helping more than the medication.

Starting point is 00:37:23 He thinks she might be improving and suggests she practiced a stricter religious lifestyle and that she continued her visits to the medical doctor. April 1974. She sees Dr. Slip again, Dr. Slip, excuse me, and then she visits Dr. Leonard again on May 7, 1974 due to having now frequent severe headaches, mainly emanating from her forehead. She got all kinds of shit going on. I mean, this poor girl did deal with various medical maladies her entire life.

Starting point is 00:37:50 The headaches might have been a side effect of the tecretol. Her reflexes are slow. She sleeps more than usual now. Dr. Slep wonders if Annalise has not taken her medication on a proper regular schedule. Dr. Slep finds her EEG improved and does want her to continue with the tech or tall. Summer 1974, everything continues.

Starting point is 00:38:08 The smells, the faces, the headaches, father, all has been sharing what he's been hearing from analysts during their meetings with all of his preach friends. They do all agree that it's a very least. Peter's deep dick and extraces of method is not working and that they need to try something else. No, but they do actually all agree that some form of demonic work is at play, but they're still not ready to pull the trigger

Starting point is 00:38:29 on a full-fledged exorcism quite yet. Cause to call for an exorcism on the Roman Catholic church, several conditions have to be met. It's actually gotten stricter in recent years, but even back then, the demon had to completely control the body, obviously controlled the body, rendering the person helpless. And this didn't seem to be quite the case yet.

Starting point is 00:38:45 Anelisa is still able to get around and live her life somewhat. Anelisa and Peter are still dating, despite all of these strange going on, and despite her mother Anna being a bit of a controlling maniac. Her mom will not let this grown woman and Peter be allowed in a room together, she's around, and she doesn't want Peter visiting her daughter

Starting point is 00:39:03 more than once a week. She is old school. Throughout the rest of 1974, Annelise becomes more and more depressed. Her parents don't approve of her having a boyfriend. Doctors can't stop the demonic forces. She continues to see from going away. She still deals with the occasion of sleep paralysis.

Starting point is 00:39:19 The church won't sign off on an exorcism. She feels like God is abandon her. She devoted herself to God, but not even the church is helping her. She grows steadily more depressed and thinks of suicide again. And then in May of 1975, her grandma dies. And so just bad thing after bad thing after bad thing,

Starting point is 00:39:36 she's still dating Peter, who must really, really, really care for her to deal with all this shit. Or maybe she wasn't quite that religious. Maybe she is giving Peter such good love and that he is willing to rationalize dating a woman who believes she's possessed by demonic forces, who sees demon faces and constantly hears voices in her head, telling her that she's damned. I bet the sex, if they did have it, was amazing. Then in late June, early July, 1975, shit goes to the next level with Annelise during a meeting with father Alt on June 28th, also attended by her boyfriend, Peter and her sister Rose

Starting point is 00:40:11 with the Annelise flips out, starts throwing shit at Peter and her sister. On the following Tuesday, father Alt visits Annelise in Worcesterburg, finds her in deep despair. She tells him that she's condemned. They begin to pray a Rosary and then suddenly she's unable to continue and tears are running down her face. She assures Father All she has taken her medication. At the end of the meeting, Father All praise and exorcism prayer to himself. And when he does this, Annalise immediately stands up to defend herself and rips the rosary to pieces. And then when Peter arrives, Annalise tells him in a deep,

Starting point is 00:40:41 guttable voice to leave. Father All is now absolutely convinced of Analyze's possession. He tells Analyze his parents, they need to bring her home from school and they do on July 17th. And that's when she does return home to Klingingerburg. Shortly before she leaves, where it's burger friend to her, Anna Lippert recalls witnessing

Starting point is 00:41:01 the following disturbing incident. She says, I remember an incident from July 1975. I sat with her in her room and her boyfriend Peter was also present. Suddenly, right in the middle of the conversation, her face contracted into a real frot, a hideous, grimacing countenance. I cannot describe in detail. Her body became completely stiff.

Starting point is 00:41:23 It took half an hour before the cramped disappeared. Her boyfriend explained to me that her condition was due to the fact that she was possessed. I too thought it must be a possession for her grimace was so demonic. I could think of nothing else. Oh man, again, he must have really cared for her. I mean, I love my wife, Lindsay. You guys know that. I love Lindsay. But if, from time to time, a demon takes over her body and starts among other things, turn her sweet Lindsay face into a demon mask and she starts letting out some burning hell shit gas. Look, I'm not going to say I'm not going to say I'm going to leave her.

Starting point is 00:42:01 However, she's going to have to find a new place to stay. Just for a while. She's going to have to find a new place to sleep until the demon stuff calms down. All right, I gotta get my fucking sleep. You know, it's gonna be all right, baby. It's almost sundown. So time for you to head down to your demon dungeon, go to your apartment basement or wherever you need to be locked at night like a monster.

Starting point is 00:42:21 I need to not sleep with one eye open this evening. Yeah, so I would, you know, I would still love her, but I would either get her a different place or move into a new house with a basement, with a steel door where I could lock her in there at night. After turning home, Annaly's his condition worsens immensely. Something very strange, whether it's physical, mental, spiritual or some combo of the three clearly going on, her body would stiffen for hours at a time, and then she'd have to half walk, half drag, suddenly useless legs are on the house. She looked terribly frightened all the time.

Starting point is 00:42:51 She became chronically unable to pray. When father Alt is unable to visit, when he has other stuff going on, another priest who lives closer to the Michelle family home, father Roth, he stops by to pray for Analyse. You know, father Roth, you know, that's the guy who introduced the Michelle family to Father All in the first place. He would later recount an incident late in the summer 1975 when Annelies charged him, charged, charged at him

Starting point is 00:43:13 when he came inside the home and screamed in an unfamiliar voice, just get out. And then she screamed, you are told, mention me. And then she screamed, gotcha, ha ha ha, I gotcha. I gotcha, guys. And then she behaved absolutely normal for the first time in a year, saying, oh shit! Man, I gotcha guys, good! You should see your face right now, father-rothed.

Starting point is 00:43:32 Oh, mom, dad, you should see your faces. I've been fucking with you, gullible guys, for years. This whole time I've been joking around. Seven years! I've been working this joke. I got you, I got Peter, I got my doctors, I got the priest, oh, Buehya. And then decades later, Annalise's long con would inspire Aston Kutcher to create punked on MTV.

Starting point is 00:43:53 It's a true story that is not true. Of course not, no, but she really did yell at father Roth. We came out, we came out, it's too ridiculous. But if you just pretended to be extras like possessed by demon for a long time, and they were like, ah, ha, ha, ha, ha, just kidding, guys.

Starting point is 00:44:08 I wanted to see how far I could take this. I was just working on my method acting skills. No, but she yells at Father Roth, and she throws some rosaries at him. She tries to throw a big five liter jug of water at him when he tries to take a cross out of his pocket. And then strangely, the summer 1975, this physical stiffening is worsening.

Starting point is 00:44:26 I don't really get to, but like most of the time, now she can no longer bend her knees and she kind of just like, limps along, like just like the stiff robotic walk. Very weird. One day in late July, she's limping along with Peter, who offered to take her for a little walk, to get her out of the house, where she's been,

Starting point is 00:44:40 you know, super depressed. And then she suddenly drops to her knees, legs suddenly bend, falls into a trance, where she's un, you know, super depressed. And then she suddenly drops to her knees, legs suddenly bend, falls into a trance where she's unresponsive for about 10 minutes, and she suddenly jumps back up her knees work fine. She seems happy, she's shout she was free, she claims to have seen Mother Mary, and then a true miracle occurs. Peter still does not break up with her.

Starting point is 00:45:00 This is where I am for sure out. If Lindsay asks this way for this long, I will come visit her in the mental hospital This is where I am for sure out. If Lindsay asks this way for this long, I will come visit her in the mental hospital where she belongs. And but I will not let her stay at home. There's no way. And if I was just like dating somebody,

Starting point is 00:45:13 I don't think I could hang on that long. I don't know, man, maybe love, I guess overrides reason, you know, maybe I just deal with it. God, that would be tough. You know, someone couldn't walk for days, suddenly days only went to trance they said they saw mother marry start jumping down i would just i would just assume they were that shit fucking crazy whether that was right or not

Starting point is 00:45:34 you know get the right therapy take the right meds or i'm out of here uh... for the next few months and at least starts acting normal according to the source that i read uh... i'm guessing normal for anilis was talking about mother married in the devil all the time but not being actively possessed by the devil. I doubt, you know, normal for her was, you know, just putting on a fucking Beatles record, just, you know, chilling out, smoking a joint. She seems super wacky to me at this point.

Starting point is 00:45:59 Maybe she was possessed by some entity, but even if that's true, I feel like she was also severely mentally ill. This poor tortured woman. Then in September 1975, Annelise believes that she's seen the Virgin Mary again, and this time Mary wants to do something. She says Annelise is to take penance for the sins of the country of Germany as in self punishment. You know, that's part of why she's being possessed because she's got to pay for people since. Not weird at all, not weird at all. It's just going to, you know, physically harm herself to save her fellow Germans from some damnation.

Starting point is 00:46:27 However, she doesn't seem to actually start doing this at that time. And then the next month, October, 1975, she returns to the University of Worshburg. What the fuck? How has she not been committed to a mental institution at this point, seriously? Like I'm not kidding, for her own safety, clearly not well. She's not in the ballpark of well How is she not in a padded room being evaluated by psychiatrists on a daily basis this this portal is fucked up If one of my kids does half of what she had done by this point they are getting locked up until we can figure out what is going on

Starting point is 00:46:59 This we want her for years So well of course things do not go well when she returns to school. Of course they do not She rent reenters her old hostel room or when her body freezes she becomes completely rigid again So weird she's standing frozen still in front of a crucifix hanging on the wall in front of her and her face Distorts and she begins to growl like an animal Then another miracle occurs her boyfriend Peter does not yell fuck this shit. I'm out of here and storm off. He actually starts to pray for her silently and Annelise or whatever Annelise has become, orders him to stop.

Starting point is 00:47:31 When she finally snaps out of it, Peter convinces her to return with him to her family in Klingenberg. Man, hearing about this new episode, hearing about Father Ross, recent in Canada's Annelise, Father Alt makes a new plea to the Bush Bishop. Do please be granted permission to perform an extra system ritual on Analysts. The entity is clearly taking control of her body.

Starting point is 00:47:52 Bishop's Tangle grants Father Alt permission, essentially to perform some sort of a light exorcism. It's like a small exorcism, that's what it's called in the book. It's smaller. Apparently, it's like a baby exorcism, like a tester. You know, it's a couple prayers, but it's not like a big four hour or deal. On August 3rd, 1975, Father Alt and Father Roth go to Klingonberg to begin their mission

Starting point is 00:48:13 of the small exorcism. They pray. For Annalise, she whimpers and moans that she's burning. Do a couple of exorcism rights. She also tries to knock the book containing the exorcism prayers out of Father Alt hand. And then after Father Alt and Father Roth complete this small exorcism ritual, writes, she also tries to knock the book containing the extra system prayers out of Father All's hand. And then after Father All's and Father All's complete, this small extra system ritual, well, thanks get worse.

Starting point is 00:48:31 It really does not work. It seems to amplify whatever delusion and or possession analysis caught up and are taken by. She starts only sleeping about two hours a night now. She'd shout to prayer, my Jesus, forgiveness and mercy, forgiveness and mercy for hours on end, over and over again. I do not know how this family was able to deal with it. Can you imagine living in the same house with somebody,

Starting point is 00:48:55 they've been doing weird shit for several years. Now they're staying up all night, just my Jesus, forgiveness and mercy, Jesus, forgiveness and mercy, Jesus, forgiveness and mercy, Jesus, like fucking for hours. You're in a living hell. Like, you know, can, Jesus forgiveness and mercy, Jesus, like fucking for hours. You're in a living hell. Like, you know, can you imagine like your daughter,

Starting point is 00:49:09 sister or girlfriend starts freaking out on priests, chanting the same prayer hours on end? Again, I mean, I don't know, especially with Peter, I don't know what he's saying about it. I don't know how he did it. I've thought about breaking out with people because I didn't like the way, like I didn't like the sounds they would make

Starting point is 00:49:23 when they would chew food. Like I'm like, I don't know. I don't know if I can deal with, there was girls I went on a few dates with that they're laugh, specifically the kind of laugh they had them like, fuck, no. There's no way I can be around that for any longer. Cannot, cannot, this cannot continue.

Starting point is 00:49:38 I cannot hear that laugh. I would, I'm not, I am not psychologically wired to handle something like this. Analyze would repeat certain patterns for hours. She'd kneel down, get up, kneel not, I am not psychologically wired to handle something like this. Annelise would repeat certain patterns for hours. She'd kneel down, get up, kneel down, get up, kneel down, get up over and over. She'd do it so many times her knees would swell up. They'd become ulcerated, all gashed up. She'd run through the house screaming.

Starting point is 00:49:57 Then after a long period, she'd tremble, twitch, collapse, remain rigid for several days, days. She has rigid. Sometimes the muscles in her neck are gonna, it would tense up like bands of steel. Why was she so stiff? Maybe she was sleeping on the wrong mattress. Maybe all this could have been avoided

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Starting point is 00:52:07 Don't let them stay at home around sharp stuff. Analyse suddenly couldn't eat solid foods, could drink fluids only sparingly, the rigidity spread to her chest, she had trouble breathing. When Anna would try to put a pillow under her head like her mom, you know, to try and help her. Analyse would ask her not to help, because if she was help, she'd be forced to be punished further. You know, she'd be forced to be punished further. You know, she would have to undergo something worse.

Starting point is 00:52:27 Once when her father Joseph tried to hold her up because she's on the floor in agony, she turns red and chokes and she's like gasping for air now. Like it makes it worse somehow. While she felt that she was not allowed to eat, she was able to eat flies and spiders, that's not creepy at all. She would urinate on the kitchen floor,

Starting point is 00:52:44 she would lick up her urine. You know, if people tried to stop her, she would attack them, she's attacking creepy at all. She would urinate on the kitchen floor, she would lick up her urine. You know, if people tried to stop her, she would attack them. She's attacking her family now. Everyone I guess learned to duck to avoid being kicked, punched or bitten by anilis. She's ripping aholdy pictures off of the wall tearing rosary's apart. She wants us shattered a crucifix on the corner of the bed

Starting point is 00:53:01 and she is rocking the accordion. 23 hours a day, she's fucking dancing and working the devil's hand piano, scales over and over, different keys, different keys at the same time, different tempos at the same time. It's unbearable. Now she's not playing the accordion, but she's doing everything else. Sometimes during the heat of the day, she'd put her head in the toilet to cool off like a dog.

Starting point is 00:53:24 Once she rolled around in the cold dust, I guess they had some cold dust on the property somewhere. And then climbing to bed, she got a control. Man, there was days when Annelise fought with Peter and her sisters from morning till night, Peter's shirt she'd get torn up as sleeves were ripped off. And that's how Lerid the Kibble guy got his idea for his outfit from the Annelise, Michelle

Starting point is 00:53:45 Lecter, says them, no, but by evening, they're all exhausted on the eve of the feast of the assumption of the blessed Virgin Mary. Annelise prays through the night until the following morning, so sometimes she is able to pray. And then sometimes she does it all through the night, which is also annoying to listen to. Later, when she was herself again, she told Peter that August 15th was the worst day of her life and she's had a lot of bad days. She's suddenly not able to pray or enter the church. She feels prevented from entering by an invisible, you know, evil force when the extrusion prayers are said quietly, it feels like her hands are in a wasp nest. For some time, the demons attempted to

Starting point is 00:54:19 analyze with despair and thought to suicide. She was tempted to jump out of a window or into the river. Yeah, I bet. One day, Annelise was under the kitchen table barking like a dog and wouldn't come out or stop barking. Everyone tried, again, I just, I cannot imagine dealing with this. Like I can't, like I can't annoyed when my daughter Monroe, again, back to the chewing thing, it's a clearly an issue with me. I'm like, she chooses her mouth open a lot. Almost every meal we have to remind her, be like, hey, smacky, that's what we call him around when she's chewing with

Starting point is 00:54:47 her food too much. Smacky to frog. Hey, smacky. Let's ease up on the smacks. You know, or Kyler, we'll do this thing, we'll just constantly ask questions, but then not care about the answer. Like he just likes to constantly make noise. So he's either singing or mumbling, which I also do, which I know is annoying. And then he'll just constantly ask questions to kind of like not have silence. And then you'll start to answer his question and then he'll just like walk off or just look at his phone

Starting point is 00:55:10 and just completely forget that fucking 10 seconds ago that he asked you a question and you don't give a shit about the topic. You're only answering it to help him and now he doesn't even care. And that stuff drives me crazy. That stuff will drive me to a point of like, hey dude, knock it out, what are you doing?

Starting point is 00:55:25 Stop doing that. You know, I'll get really annoying. If he was, if the two of them were under the table, barking like a dog for several hours, oh man, I would have to be tied up. I would have to be tied up to be prevented from hurting my own family. This is, this stress these people were under.

Starting point is 00:55:41 Well, they can't get her to come out from the table. Her dad, Joseph, calls a friend from the church who comes over and finds her there. And she instructs Annelise three times the name of the blessed Trinity to come out and sit down. And then I guess, you quote, like a lamb, she slowly came out and took a seat at the table. So weird. She also starts harming herself or exhibiting or either she's harming herself or she's exhibiting signs of some kind of stigmata or both. She definitely was harming herself or she's exhibiting signs of some kind of stigmata or both. She definitely was harming herself sometimes. This is what her mom said. And it said, one morning I entered Annalisa's room and said, Annalisa, you're in bed today.

Starting point is 00:56:12 I usually found her kneeling before the crucifix or doing some other form of penance. I noticed wounds on her feet, which were very swollen. They had occurred during the night. She later received the same on her hands. Her hands were not as bad as her feet. She suffered very much from these wounds. He's like stigmata crucifixion type wounds. So Peter, sister Rose With and her parents, they start taking two hour shifts to prevent Nellies from hurting herself.

Starting point is 00:56:35 The situation is becoming unbearable. They're trying to contact, you know, father, all around this particular episode. You can't get ahold of him. He's on vacation. So they get a hold of another guy, father, road, wick, we've heard of him. And Frank, he decides not to interrupt father, all his vacation. He's going to come over to Klingonberg and observe, analyze himself, get more precinct on this action.

Starting point is 00:56:56 In early September, 1975, he travels by train, dot, Shoffenberg. They take it. So he gets picked up by another father, Airman. He gets driven to Klingenberg and a subsequent statement he describes his visit to the Michelle home. He says, when I entered the house, Annelies, Michelle lay fully dressed on the floor of the kitchen and could obviously not be dressed. I am of the opinion she was in a typical hypnotic state, a deep sleep. I should like to remark that such a state is a symptom of possession. I designated

Starting point is 00:57:25 it as a crisis situation. First, I went to the living room and I destroyed the accordion. No, first I went to the living room with her parents and I had them report to me about the condition of their daughter. Then I directed them to bring Annalise into the room and make her sit on the sofa. Her father led her in, held her by the hand because she tried to hit her parents. She did not look amaciated. I sat down beside her and held her hands in held her by the hand because she tried to hit her parents. She did not look emaciated. I sat down beside her and held her hands. In the her trans state, a second person announced herself calling itself Judas.

Starting point is 00:57:52 I had asked, what is your name? And her answer came Judas. She spoke with an altered, much lower voice. I had held her by the wrist. During the conversation, I noticed that her cramped muscles relaxed. She came to and looked at me with surprise. Apparently, it was not until then that she noticed me consciously.

Starting point is 00:58:08 Subsequently, I was able to carry on an entirely reasonable conversation with the real Annelise Michelle. I told her that we could not desert her, or that we would not, excuse me, desert her, and that we would help her. I was thinking of priestly aid through extra-sism. Suddenly, the cramped started again. I asked her family to take her back to the kitchen. I told

Starting point is 00:58:25 him I knew enough about the case that I found confirmation of my surmise that we were dealing with the case of possession, and then I would have to consider what could be done. When I left the house, Annellese came out of the kitchen and slapped my cheek. And when Oomhan father, a roadwik went back in, after getting slapped, Annellese was playing all along the watch tower with the accorded. Yes, at Presto Temple. Yes, the spirit of Jimmy Hendrix was now inside of her Walked she was walking on the ceiling. She wailed that accordion her head spun a full 360 degrees as she shifted from verse to chorus Then she flew around the room played it behind her head for the accordion solo. No No, she was suddenly playing the piano. She was playing music as if nothing had happened as if you know

Starting point is 00:59:03 They didn't she had never slapped him. For Father Roadwick, important elements in defining possession were now present. Man, the spirit's name had been revealed. Judas Annelly showed an aversion to consecrated objects, fear of ecsticism. And then as soon as Father Alt returned from his vacation, Father Roadwick called him to update him on Annelly's condition. And as far as he's concerned, this was definitely a case of total possession. He suggested that they get together to consult on how to proceed.

Starting point is 00:59:26 They agreed they needed to bring in some more priests with more experience, higher standing in the church hierarchy to help them out. They contacted a priest named Father Rens, and then, you know, Father Roadwick and Father Rens, they all get together. And now they send a letter asking for permission to perform a full exorcism ritual on Annelise. And on September 16th, 1975, the bishop responds saying, after due consideration with good information, I now charge the Reverend Father Ren's Salvatorean superior in Arukashapak, a Rukashapak to proceed with Annelise or Annelise, excuse me, I just wrote a downer wrong, within the terms of CIC

Starting point is 01:00:03 or actually, I copied this, he wrote it down wrong. It's kind of weird. But anyway, he meant to say Anneliese, within the terms of CIC, can, 1, 1, 5, 1, 1, for some time, my prayers have been directed to this concern. May God give us help. I think everyone's sincerely for their efforts with best wishes in my blessing,

Starting point is 01:00:20 Joseph Bishop of Worsburg. So supposedly, all of that is church code for, all right, enough, get the fucking devil out, go in, full exorcism, full exorcism. September 23rd, 1975, the day Father Rens receives the Bishop's letter, he visits the Michelle's, Father Rens finds Analyse exhibiting no signs of possession to the contrary.

Starting point is 01:00:40 He finds her quite reserved, polite and deeply religious, but based on everything he has been hearing He returns the next day to perform the first true exorcism right Upon arrival Father ends his company upstairs by Anneliese's sisters rose with a and Barbara her parents her boyfriend Peter Father's alt airmen and Roth and altars set up on a side table covered by an embroidered tablecloth on it stood a statue of Jesus and frame pictures of the Blessed Virgin Mary the sacred heart of Jesus St. Michael the Archangel and Father Pio Chairs are set up around the perimeter of the room the first first Exorcism session according to Roman ritual begins at about 4 p.m

Starting point is 01:01:18 September 24th 1975 this is the first full ritual. Before the session begins, Annaly speaks and laughs with everybody. She then asks father out to hold her hands because she did not know what was going to happen. And then she farted. Yep, not a super loud one. But one that was loud enough for everyone to know was her and then she wouldn't fess up. And you know, it's that kind of an awkward tone for the whole procedure.

Starting point is 01:01:41 Everybody got quiet, you know, a lot of side glances and, you know, and then they kind of just, you know, gradually gotten the extra, I had no proof that that happened. But it's funny for me to think about. No, after behaving quietly to be any of the exercise, Annalise reacts violently to the spring thing of holy water. When father Rents makes a sign of the cross over her, her sprinkles are with holy water, Annalise roars and rages in her body, trumbles and twitches. One could perceive the hatred in her facial expression.

Starting point is 01:02:07 She was fully aware of her actions and heard everything spoken through her by the demons. Unlike some previously documented cases where the victim was totally unaware of what was taking place. Later, when father alt asked Annalise what she saw, she responded, I only observed and I had no influence on what was happening.

Starting point is 01:02:23 I am only in the background just looking on. Joseph Peter and Peter Heillianna Lisa, she attempted to bite kick those before her and spider being restrained by the three men she continued to struggle. At times she screamed and howled like a dog. Shoff and repeated, put away that shit or stop with that shit to all the required tech.

Starting point is 01:02:41 How do you talk like that for a long time? That also makes me think that, you know, makes me open to the possibility of demonic stuff because I do that voice and like literally two cents, it hurts my throat. Like it does not feel good. How do you talk that way for a long time and be able to keep talking?

Starting point is 01:02:57 Ah, to all the required text questions, such as what is your name, reads a position, when you're leaving, no answers are provided. By analyse, Father Renn's praise again and again in the name of the Blessed Trinity and calls upon the intercession of the Blessed Virgin Mary and the angels and the saints to expel the demons from Annelise.

Starting point is 01:03:11 At the end of the group praise Annelise is furious. This first session lasts approximately three and a half hours. All those present especially Annelise place all their hopes in the extracism to end the possession so life can be back to normal. Sadly it does not. And what exactly is the Roman extraceism ritual? You know, well, the directions for conducting an extraceism are comprised in a single section of the Roman ritual, ritual Romanum, one of the books describing the official rights of the Roman Catholic Church. Now, prior to 1999, the Vatican issued a revised extraceism right to be used by

Starting point is 01:03:43 Catholic priests going forward. The extraceism right to be used by catholic priest going forward uh... the extrism right had dated back to sixteen fourteen so stay the same for several hundred years and you can find copies of the entire document of the old uh... you know catholic uh... extrism right online if you just want to if you just google roman extrism ritual sixteen fourteen and it's very worthy very long uh... i get why would take you know three and a half four hours mostly it's a series of prayer statements and appeals uh... in addition to recitations the priest takes certain actions in particular times during the ritual he

Starting point is 01:04:13 sprinkles holy water on every one of the room lazy's hands on the subject makes the sign of the cross both on himself and on the subject and touches the subject with the catholic relic usually an object associated with the saint and again these are all just a Roman catholic ones i know that other christian denominations have their own variations touches the subject with the Catholic relic, usually an object associated with a saint. And again, these are all just the Roman Catholics. I know that other Christian denominations have their own variations.

Starting point is 01:04:29 There's typically four stages of an exorcism. There's pretense, which is that's, the demon is hiding its true identity. That's number one. Number two is break point. The demon reveals itself, says its name. Number three, the clash, the exorcist, and the demon fight for the soul of the possessed.

Starting point is 01:04:47 Number four, the mushroom tattoo. This is when the extra cysts slaps the tip of his dick onto the victim's forehead hard enough to cause the skin to redden in the shape of a mushroom. In the shape of the head of the penis, very mushroom, hence the name mushroom tattoo, only circumcised priest can pull this off and demons hate it more than anything They really hate it and you slap him with the tip of your dick No number four is expulsion that's if the exercise wins the battle the demon leaves the body of the possess I wish it was mushroom tattoo. Oh God. I love to see a priest explain that with a straight face

Starting point is 01:05:22 You know just in front of a congregation, just go through that mushroom tattoo description as if that's fucking completely normal. Uh, okay. I know, I know I'm insane. Here's an example of an exorcism prayer taken from the 1614 version of the Roman exorcism ritual. Uh, this is one of the things the priests would say, and they'd have to follow this, you know, kind of word for word.

Starting point is 01:05:41 I cast you out unclean spirit along with every satanic power of the enemy, every specter from hell. And all your fellow companions in the name of our Lord Jesus and Christ be gone and stay away from this creature of God. For it is he who commands you, he who flung you headlong from the heights of heaven into the depths of hell. It is he who commands you, he who wants more still to see in the wind and the storm. Harkin, therefore entremble in fear, Satan you enemy of the faith, you foe of the human race, you begetter of death, you robber of life, you corruptor of justice, you root of all evil and vice,

Starting point is 01:06:16 seducer of men, betrayer of the nations, instigator of envy, font of ovarice, averess, foremanter of discord, author of pain and sorrow. Why then do you stand in resist, knowing as you must that Christ the Lord brings your plans to nothing? Fear him who in Isaac was offered in sacrifice in Joseph, sold into bondage, slain, as the partial lamb, crucified as man,

Starting point is 01:06:42 yet triumphed over the powers of hell. The three signs of the cross, which follow are traced on the brow of the possessed person at this time, and then the priest says, Begone then in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit. Give place to the Holy Spirit by this sign of the Holy Cross of our Lord, Jesus Christ who lives and reigns with the Father and the Holy Spirit, God forever and ever, and then all present, yell, say, Amen. And the priest says, Lord, heed my prayer.

Starting point is 01:07:09 And then I'll say, and let my cry be heard by you. And the priest says, the Lord be with you. And then I'll say, he must also be with you. And the priest says, let us pray. And meanwhile, they're doing this. It's in this room. Somebody is writhing and fucking talking in the demon voice. I mean, intense shit.

Starting point is 01:07:27 I mean, ah, I can I can I don't know I can barely imagine what it must be like to be in a room like that Just based on horror movies, I guess, but man in real life. Wow, they're being tense and this is again But but but one of many many prayers to be recited at the afflicted during the ritual Well father Rens, you know, he reads in Latin leads the prayer sprinkles holy water makes a sign of the cross to get all that's done a lot by the way touches you know uh... and elisa's forehead with you know if it gives her a blessing

Starting point is 01:07:54 all according to ritual uh... there's there's no time for him to write down account of what's transpiring in his first uh... ritual but from september twenty-ninth on a suggestion of of uh... the hind a church friend of the family does begin to take record the sessions and then the in joseph uh... you know they they make sure they're they're all recorded father and later produces two tapes we'll hear a little bit of here in just a second uh... he he he he plays you know highlights the more important session father all play this tape for bishops

Starting point is 01:08:22 stangle during a visit with him in wordsberg to update him on the progress of the exorcisms Analyse yourself with listen these later. She expressed her approval that the tapes be given to the bishop and You know, I obviously I joke around with all these time sucks and this one hasn't been scaring me too much until I hear these these sound bites Listen to him a little bit this morning before we started recording and just freaky Listen to him a little bit this morning before we started recording and just freaky. So, now obviously there's some creepy music that's been layered underneath them, but the raw audio to me does sound like the same raw audio from other clips I've found. So let's check a few of these out. I'm going to have to leave my home. I'm going to have to leave my home.

Starting point is 01:09:18 I'm going to have to leave my home. I'm going to have to leave my home. I'm going to listen to. That is definitely not fun to listen to in the dark in a little room by yourself. Thank God it's during the day right now. I'm actually recording this this morning, the release day. Wow, though, man. Scary, scary. One more, listen to one more. This is another little moment of Anna and Elise Michelle during one of these exercises and rituals Jesus Oh Science again Jesus Well that that one really got me uh that one Gosh there's a there's a window to my right and I have like the blinds drawn like shots, but then Some some car or something must have driven by it. I made the shadows freak out which made it look like the blind move

Starting point is 01:10:31 I about jumped out of my seat man. That was scary Whoa, jeez. Oh, no, no, no, no, no, my computer screen just went black. Oh man ah That is freaky. That is freaky. My god that scared the shit out of me. Oh, okay, so. Oh man, and then I have my computer not plugged in.

Starting point is 01:10:55 So the screen can go blank and I didn't, wasn't touching it and then I went complete darkness. I feel like a little kid. Now I don't even know where I am in my notes. I'm all out of it. I'm all freaked out. I thought I wasn't scared this episode. Now I don't even know where I am in my notes. I'm all out of it. I'm all freaked out. I thought I wasn't scared just that I said, okay. So sorry guys, I gotta pull my shit together.

Starting point is 01:11:11 I gotta find where I'm supposed to be. Okay, okay, now I'm back. Man, that really scared me. Okay, I keep going back and forth this suck man. Sometimes it starts to feel a little ridiculous and I feel silly about it. And then something like that happens. And I'm like, I don't know, I don't know,

Starting point is 01:11:25 I don't know how much fun that someone to make. Okay, so September 29th, whoa, I got the chills, 1975. Another exorcism, Father Rens states that Annalise begins to tremble when he arrived for the session. Whew, this translation of some of the guttural stuff Annalise was saying that day, a spirit who identified itself as Lucifer said several times, man, that really freaked me out by the window.

Starting point is 01:11:49 I just can't stop thinking about it. I don't like that I saw shadows move. I really don't like that at all. Because it's not happening now. Like, why was it happening earlier when that voice was happening? And now there's nothing. Man, okay, spirit who identified itself as Lucifer said,

Starting point is 01:12:03 the pretentious one is obsessed. This is our work. She cannot take any exams, I'll take care of it. The snot knows is cursed. I will not let her free. I will not get out alone. And we are so many inside her. The snotty slut is ours.

Starting point is 01:12:19 We're snotty. You have to pray much more by order of that one, Virgin Mary, they should still recite rosary or else we cannot come out. The affair will last at least for half a year still. By order of that lady, people should fast. She was cursed and beginning and she was cursed before. So she sang all that and that crazy voice we heard earlier.

Starting point is 01:12:38 And then another voice or spirit that identified itself as Judith said, people standing during during I planned on doing this in the scary voice, but I don't feel like it right now. People standing during Holy Communion, this pleases me more than nearly, and I hate it. That thing that you wear, that great majority, oh, there's like the cast-octopreases wearing, the majority do not wear it anymore. They no longer obey the Pope and Rome.

Starting point is 01:12:59 It is the one and Rome who keeps the church going. To father Rens, I know you have been to China, and there you have offended me much. You snatched souls from me, the one and so now she's, so I don't need to say the church going. To father Rens, I know you have been to China, and there you have offended me much. You snatched souls from me, the one, so now she's, so I don't need to say the whole thing. She's just going on and telling them what they've been doing and stuff that she shouldn't know about them, which obviously is also very freaky.

Starting point is 01:13:15 And then various other demons are identifying themselves. They curse to the priest, argue with each other, all kinds of super weird stuff. Catholic martyrs for centuries past, showed up to chat, then for Nero shows up. Suppose it's all possible. In addition to actual demons and Christian exorcism mythology, the souls, the damn can show up.

Starting point is 01:13:33 And I bet a lot of you guys are thinking that I faked being freaked out earlier. That is so weird. Like I was actually feeling pretty okay about this episode until the window weird shit happened. Yeah, none of this is, I do not bullshit you guys. I go back and forth on whether I believe this stuff or not, but that, I truly, that was like the most scared I've been on.

Starting point is 01:13:54 I suck with that one moment. But in addition to actual demons in Christian, extrism, ethyl, yeah, the souls of the damn can show up. I didn't realize that. It's not just like some weird entity. Well, check this out. I guess I did know that. I just wasn't thinking about it that way.

Starting point is 01:14:08 Like Judas isn't like some demon. It's like the person of Judas is soul and hell. So I guess technically if you got possessed today in addition to like Judas, you know, you could get Chicatilo. Just hello, it's a shy. Shadou Chicatilo. What is a big deal?

Starting point is 01:14:23 I just, I just hear it to jerk new cock for a while. Cock wants hard, now soft, full of shame. I bring you curse of chickatilo. I rascal you priest. I rascal you. Come on priest, let us lock cock's. Let us cock rassles for possession of soul. Can you beat chickatilo? Maybe we tech team. You get other priest.

Starting point is 01:14:36 I get Richard Romero's. He good friend. I jerk's hot cock. He sexes up feet and hell. So I guess that is possible. That is possible. According to extrinsism lore, I think I can do it. I think I can do it. I He good friend. I jerk softcock. He sexes up feet and hell. So I guess that is possible. That is possible According to extra system lore that is possible. Why did that make me feel better now?

Starting point is 01:14:52 I feel a little better now. I feel like in a better mood. Why is talking about a Discussion you craze your killer. How does that lighten things up? But chicken teal he didn't die till in 1994 so he didn't show with an Elise But Hitler did and Kane, you know, he'd been dead for a long, long time. So they're showing up. It is that kind of stuff that, again, makes me sway back to the skeptical side for a moment. Because if evil spirits are going to show up, why do they seem to be evil people that possess person clearly new of?

Starting point is 01:15:20 If any damned ones could take over Annelise's body, why not like H.H. Holmes? You know, that piece of shit American serial killer from TimeSuck25, died in 1896. Odds are Anneliese had not heard of him. You know, when you suddenly become Hitler, reads a little too over the top for me. Again, though, see, this is my notes that I have written down, but now,

Starting point is 01:15:40 I keep talking, I know this is probably annoying, after the window thing, I'm gonna have trouble sleeping tonight. I, if I see weird shadows tonight, oh man, I'm gonna have to have some drinks tonight. Please don't, oh man, I'm gonna take some melatonin tonight. I do not wanna fuck around with shadows tonight. During one session, Annelise grabs a family friend by the throat, takes two men to pull Annelise off of her.

Starting point is 01:16:01 This woman, this woman, thea, she's that local friend who goes to church with michelle's she had initially arranged the whole ill-fated burning shit-centred uh... sandami on a trip she would speak of the incident later saying she had the strength of a bear yet she was a delicate thing you can't imagine the strength she had i i thought this time she'd ring my neck five men were there the priest peter my husband uh... mister michelle uh Michelle and I believe father alt I thought she was going to strangle me. So the end that is pretty strange. I mean can that explain be explained by mental illness? I mean, I mean maybe I mean I can't find any studies that definitively

Starting point is 01:16:35 correlate dramatic increases in physical strength with mental illness. Analyst one stated I can speak any language but feel free to speak to me in German, although Father Renn's normally would read from his prayer book in Latin. On one occasion, he spoke freely without his book, and Annelise immediately pointed out that he had made a mistake and that his Latin was poor. It was also astonishing to the priest to see Annelise's immediate responses to questions put to her in Dutch and Chinese. Now, I couldn't find direct audio of that, but how the hell do you explain that? If that really happened, and she doesn't know like Chinese, how she answering questions. Apparently that's used as a strong indicator of possession, because

Starting point is 01:17:15 you know, if you're asking somebody a question of language that their family knows that they don't know, and then the demon responds correctly in that language, yeah, that's that would fucking blow my mind. And I guess demon apparently understand all languages because, you know, in addition to supposedly having a higher intellect with human beings, I'm not quite sure how that's been established. I don't know if there's any biblical basis for that. There isn't that I can find.

Starting point is 01:17:36 It's like, hey man, demons are like 20% smarter, but they've existed since the creation of the world. They're knowledge of the dead, you know, dead language has proven in many cases to point to possession throughout history. Okay, anyway, constant exorcisms and conversations between the damned and the priests via Annalisa's body go on all the way from September of 1975 through February 29th to 1976. From February 29th, 1976 forward, the demons don't have anything more to say. I guess they got bored or something. The only rave and roar that make mindless in human sounds is Anneliese's body jerks around

Starting point is 01:18:09 like a rag doll. In all, 67 extra-sysms sessions would end up being performed one or two each week, lasting up to four hours between September 1975, and her death on July 1st, 1976, man, 67. What's really interesting to me is that while all this is going on, she'll still have periods of being lucid and of being herself again, in the middle of all these things we've been talking about. Like her life during this period just felt like

Starting point is 01:18:35 she was suffering from some kind of spiritual bipolar disorder. She'd be having Judas take hold of her body one day. She'd be screaming at priests. She'd be screaming prayers at the night, to choke somebody out, eat and flies, hurt herself, and then she would be okay for a little while and start like eating normally again. Because somehow she was able to keep a portion of her schooling up throughout all of this. I had no idea how, what she did. On March 3rd, 1976, she actually travels to

Starting point is 01:19:02 Wordsburg. After all that we've already talked about. She goes back to try to work on this theology thesis. She was supposed to work on for school. That does seem fitting, though, it's theology. She's unable to finish it. She flips out again. She freezes stiff in a room again. It's like she's been playing, you know, a many-year-long game of freeze tag with a horrible and visible friend, also with the freezing in place, she flips out at a chapel in her school, where she bashes her knees after freezing and which she starts to move again, like that bashes him bloody by constantly getting up and down in prayer.

Starting point is 01:19:35 And then on April 14th, 1976, despite all that she'd been through, she's able to meet with one of her professors, Dr. Veth, who would actually later describe, later describe, excuse me, to investigate her is that at this time that she appeared to be in good health still, both psychologically and physically, so weird.

Starting point is 01:19:52 One day, Stark Raven mad slamming knees into the church floor, snorling to the crucifix. Next day, having a productive conversation with a college professor. And on April 30th, she loses her shit big time again. Freeze is in a room and starts shrieking and they can't get her to stop. Loudly and continuously, screaming endlessly.

Starting point is 01:20:09 Her friends and her boyfriend, Peter, can't get her to quit. They call it to the priest, father rents, father alt, who agree to come the next day. She screams until she falls asleep, and then the next morning, when she wakes up, acts like nothing happened. Constant back and forth of her life is continuing, just man, such a wild rollercoaster. For the next few days, she alternates between periods of being in good health and good spirits, eating and drinking,

Starting point is 01:20:28 and then periods of screaming and guttural noises where she won't eat. One night, her sister, Rose Wita, finds her gasping for air. She indicates that she'd been choked by some unseen force, and then at this time, and this is super spooky. Yeah, I don't like this part of it. I don't like this thing at all.

Starting point is 01:20:45 She goes to a church with Peter and Edelben. Her face contorts demonically after sitting in one of the pews. And then allegedly, she freezes in place to the point that Peter tries to pick her up and move her but can't lift her. She was not a big woman. This is a phenomenon. Sorry, I'm so in my head with all the scary stuff

Starting point is 01:21:07 I just kind of had to like clear my throat and I pictured I pictured myself coughing and a little beetle coming out of my mouth and I lose my mind forever That's my current mental state so he can't pick her up Yeah, this is a phenomena or according to a book I read on an elesis possession This is a phenomena note and I couldn book I read on Anneliese's possession. This is a phenomenon. No, and I couldn't find it on a regular Google search, but it was in this book known as Possessed Gravity. And this is allegedly when the possessed basically take on a new amount of greater mass that shouldn't be physically possible and probably is not term wrong.

Starting point is 01:21:42 Greater weight. They become denser, not bigger. They become denser. and so they can't, they can't become moved, like they're unmovable suddenly. Like similar to kind of how the possessed can, you know, like we talked about supposed to become far stronger, than what should be physically possible,

Starting point is 01:21:55 they can way more. Now, I can't find cases of this, you know, on video or anything, I've never seen it myself, but if it's true, impossible to explain scientifically. Like with the sudden extra strength, you can talk about like a huge adrenaline spike or some other physical factor. But there's no way to explain just suddenly,

Starting point is 01:22:12 same person, same size, were 120 pounds, now feel like 400 pounds. That would freak me out, just like the person answering in a language they shouldn't know. I mean, I just, I don't know how you rationalize that if you do see something like that in any other way than supernatural. On May 9th, the possessed gravity phenomenon happens again, Annaliseus parents Joseph and

Starting point is 01:22:32 Anna and Peter and a friend bar, or sister Barbara all works together, can barely lift this tiny frozen woman into a car. During the rest of May and June, things then seem to ease up a bit. Again, the roller coaster back and forth, things then seem to ease up a bit again the rollercoaster back and forth then uh... uh... in july things become worse than ever now is when it gets very uh... very bad uh... well i'm sorry not in july i i i i i wrote that down wrong uh...

Starting point is 01:22:56 during the rest of may in the beginning of june and then towards the end of june uh... things are really that july they would get really technically worse because she would no longer be alive uh... she she started barely sleeping again. She stopped eating. A lot of pictures on the web, Van Leesor from this, you know, this final period. She looks to me, stated her eyes are black and blue from self-harm. She starts injuring herself in various ways. She'd hit her head against objects, punch herself in the face, she'd bite herself, rubber face against the wall to scrape it up on and on.

Starting point is 01:23:22 She starts asking her family to tie her up so she can't hurt herself. She'd throw herself to the ground, or that's what it would look like, but also she would claim that something else was slamming her to the ground, some unseen force. Somehow in the middle of this violent chaos, she's still trying to complete a portion of her studies. I guess I admire her dedication, man,

Starting point is 01:23:38 not to give up on her schooling during all this. Still working on that theology thesis, still asking to have the deadline extended.... still having exorcisms performed on her uh... yet that summer like uh... go back a little bit may thirty nineteen seventy six father all brings a position friend of his to witness an exorcism uh... you know with uh... analyst and this doctor Richard Roth allegedly upon witnessing some of the craziness we've been talking about cries out my god she

Starting point is 01:24:03 has to come out there is no injection against the devil Hopefully, Annalise was not aware enough to hear the doctor say that that is not a good morale boost to hear a doctor Essentially say official medical diagnosis food bar. She is fucked up beyond a recognition June 8th that would be the last time father all would see Annalise alive One of her eyes during this exorcism is swollen shut that time, because she had recently thrown herself through a glass door. She's sickly and amaciated.

Starting point is 01:24:30 She's refusing to eat almost all the time, when she could eat. It was if she had some brief window in which she was allowed to do so by the unseen forces. Like, she would just pound a few liters of juice or eat something really quick

Starting point is 01:24:40 like an animal, and then she would like all of a sudden at some weird cutoff, whatever was still in her mouth, she would spit out. She just had to be done. She would sometimes scream. The voices of the day end clear through the night, hours of constant screaming.

Starting point is 01:24:52 June 30th was her last exorcism. Last night she would be alive. Two of her sisters, her boyfriend Peter, their present. She'd come down with a fever this time around 102 Fahrenheit. And after hours of extraceous and rituals She finally asks for in her real voice for for absolution from father rents A declaration of forgiveness for all her sins. He gives it to her and then she says goodbye to Peter her father Her sisters she asked her mother to stay at her side asked for everyone else leave the room and her last words

Starting point is 01:25:23 According to her mother where mama please stay with me I'm afraid that's so fucking sad. She fell asleep from exhaustion and then sometime that night in the early morning of July 1st with her mother by her side 23 year old Annalise dies in her sleep. She had once told her family earlier that year that she hope she'd be free of the demons by July. She'd also been talking to Peter about wanting to get married that fall and I guess I guess she did get one of the demons by July. She'd also been talking to Peter about wanting to get married that fall. And I guess, I guess she did get one of the things she wanted. Through death, she was finally free of this torment, we hope. And that takes us out of this time stock timeline. Good job, soldier. You made it back. Barely. Not long after Annelise's death, some of the priests involved in her exorcism would

Starting point is 01:26:15 be put on trial for manslaughter resulting from negligence. Before I give a brief overview of this trial, let's check in real quick with the most heavily viewed Annelise video on YouTube, slighting it up. This video has over 40 million views. It's called simply the real exorcism of Annelise, Michelle, and many of the comments underneath that are written, of course, by the idiotic comments, some pretty funny ones in the comments section here, little reminder before we talk about them of what they are referring to, let's listen to another little clip of Annalise Michele, one of her exorcisms. Wow See to like so see if I

Starting point is 01:27:07 Is Wow, I That is very freaky not I'm not asked for you out this time but i got a full disclosure i'd uh... break down and go uh... during that uh... the segment we when we uh... stop recording for a second leading to the internet i don't know my nose i didn't realize lindsey i thought she was home right now she was at the office she's in the office with josh right now

Starting point is 01:27:39 i'm in the separate room recording and they fucked with me they she went out and walked by the window. That was the shadow. That's why it scared me so bad, because it really was weird, and of course it was weird, because no one's supposed to walk by that window.

Starting point is 01:27:51 There's like a space, like landscaping, and then sidewalks was like, why did it look like something was right by the window? So, yeah, they had a good laugh, a good laugh, and I'm glad I walked out and I found that out, so I could be not as freaked out. But yeah, I wanted to let you guys know that's why it scared me so bad. It really was weird.

Starting point is 01:28:08 Okay, so the voice though, still scary, still very scary. That's what these people are commenting on in this thread. Roughly two minutes long of Annalise Michele. User Markech, UTD posts, that's just how German people talk, which may be laugh pretty hard. Because you know, I know I get a lot of German listeners, not the prettiest of languages, very gutter-rule. Well played. User Eric Platz posts.

Starting point is 01:28:33 I thought that was a new single from Katy Perry. That was pretty funny as well. User YAHBOY posts. Sounds like my ass after Taco Bell. That is pretty funny. User Todd Lynch posts, still better than Nickelback. Oh man, poor Nickelback. They gotta be the most shit on band in history.

Starting point is 01:28:51 Like as far as big successful bands, they've had a lot of, like big albums, sold a lot of records, man they get shit on. And this is gross, but I do think this is pretty funny. Obviously very irreverent. User Apollo posts successfully masturbated to this. Ridiculous, pretty ridiculous. Well played, everybody.

Starting point is 01:29:07 Thanks for participating in the internet. Now for some dumb. Now let's get to some dumb. User Jennifer Gelly Sushi Hunter, post a reply to someone who had their original comment removed. I feel like that happens quite a bit on YouTube. But I'm posting her reply anyway, just because it alone is just so ridiculous.

Starting point is 01:29:23 So she's replying to anonymous Pookie whatever they said and what she says is whether she was mentally retarded or not that does not give you any All caps right to start calling her a all caps Retard and all caps all things a bitch What the fuck is wrong with you you sound mentally retarded to me So I should start calling you all caps, a retarded asshole. I guess so. You're an egotistical disgusting, all caps,

Starting point is 01:29:52 retarded asshole who is stupid and ignorant. Easy, Jenny. Easy, easy. Oh, man, hello, pot, talking to kettle. Let me get this straight. You're mad because someone referred to Annelise as a quote retaught. And I'm with you on that. I'm not a big fan of that word. Not a big fan. You know, it's one of the words I tossed around a lot as a kid. You know, when I didn't know any better, didn't understand how hurtful it is to a lot of

Starting point is 01:30:19 people. But then if it's so offensive to you, which it clearly is, why are you using it so much? Why are you throwing that exact word back at somebody? That's so offensive to you, which it clearly is, why are you using it so much? Why are you throwing that exact word back at somebody? That's so stupid. You don't like that someone uses the word, so you call them that word what three, four times in one post. That's like it mad about someone dropping an enbomb, and then you refer to that person over and over as an enbomb.

Starting point is 01:30:39 Like, so weird to hate someone for saying a word that then you use over and over. You know, hey man, don't you ever say the word apple. Don't ever say that word, you rotten fucking apple, apple ass, eaten, apple, mother fucking apple person. Just replace the word apple with the word you find very drugatory to make that joke work for yourself. That's a villain of blank joke.

Starting point is 01:30:59 User Gabby demand does something I see all the time in the web that I just learned the proper term for. I feel excited to pass this long. She posts, I feel so bad for her. And when she posts it, what she's doing, it's called virtue signaling on Urban Dictionary. I did not know about this.

Starting point is 01:31:16 Virtue signaling also defined by Google as the action or practice of publicly expressing opinions or sentiments intended to demonstrate one's good character or the moral correctness of one's position on a particular issue. Bert Christchurch is talking what that is. I just did his podcast, Bert Cast, really fun by the way, this past Saturday in Salt Lake City, had a blast, super fun, dude. He was at the other comedy club in town, not sure when that episode will air.

Starting point is 01:31:40 I'll let you know what it does. And he was talking about how much he hates it when people virtue signal with their posts. We were talking about social media, and just sick of all the political stuff where it's like, you know, it could be gun control, whatever, and somebody, if they're liberal, they just say meaningless cheerleading things, or conservative, they just line up with the political stance

Starting point is 01:31:58 on that issue of their favorite team, essentially. You know, like under a video about a school shooting, you know, people will post stuff, excuse me, the virtual signal with stuff like, I'm sick of kids getting shot. Yeah, we all are. You dumb fuck. No one is arguing in favor of more kids getting shot. You moron. Like, that is not the issue.

Starting point is 01:32:16 You are not adding anything intelligent to the discussion with your silly captain obvious cheerleading bullshit. Like in this case, like, I don't like what happened to her or I feel so bad for, yeah we all do, you shithead. That goes the same. No rational, somewhat decent person is glad that all of this happened to her. It's an obvious post you put there to let other people know that you are a good person.

Starting point is 01:32:38 It's meaningless, it's hollow and it's now a pet peeve of mine as well. And you know, add something interesting to the dialogue or shut the fuck up. And don't just say like, that's messed up how she starved. I don't like it when people starve. I don't like it when bad things happen. Okay.

Starting point is 01:32:53 One more, use her Echo X Ruby post something that makes me hope that she really isn't a teacher. She says, I have a class of children diagnosed with autism and one of them does that noise and speaks that way really often. This has nothing to do with demons. Really? So what, you think that because you heard one autistic kid

Starting point is 01:33:12 make that noise, that you think that Annalise was autistic, you fucking moron? I can make that noise, right? It's not a noise limited to Annalise or autistic kids. You are focusing way too much on one tiny part of a giant picture. Annalise's issues went a little deeper

Starting point is 01:33:28 than the type of voice she used. Do your autistic kids also speak fluently in other languages that make that voice? Do they pin themselves to their seats, go into transes, suddenly become heavier when you try to lift them out of their desk to the choke classmates with superhuman strength? Look, I'm not saying exorcisms are legit.

Starting point is 01:33:43 I'm not saying I know that or I even believe that. Jury's out for me internally, but if you're gonna mock them, mock them in a way that makes sense. Like, how are you a teacher? How are you in charge of anything? Who put you in charge of a class of autistic kids? Focusing on only the sound she's making

Starting point is 01:33:58 as the reason she couldn't be possessed because other people can make the same sound. It's sort of like thinking a murder suspect can't be guilty because they supposedly murdered someone with the same type of knife that you have at home and you haven't murdered anyone with that type of knife so no one could. Like the murder isn't about the knife, the knife is one small part of the murder in a similar way. You know, possession isn't about a scary demon voice. You know, that anyone can do. If possessions are real, the scary demon voice is one small part of a much more serious condition.

Starting point is 01:34:25 All right, let's get the hell out of here. Okay, so the trial. Let's talk about that real quick. Big trial after this, you know, big in the media. Dr. Ross, he writes out the deficit certificate for Annalise. He doesn't have the, or he starts to, he comes to write it, but he doesn't have all the proper form, so he calls Dr. Keeler. He comes to inspect the body.

Starting point is 01:34:50 Dr. Keeler writes that the death was not due to natural causes, which is what Dr. Roth wanted to say. Father Alt contacts the state attorney's office, post-mortem examination is done. Pathologist said her death, yeah, said her death, excuse me, yes, is not caused by natural causes. It's caused by starvation, possibly aggravated by all the physical activity, you know, i.e. the exorcisms that she was doing during her final weeks. Interestingly, though, also,

Starting point is 01:35:15 the autopsy revealed that her inner organs were healthy, including her brain, and that her and her brain did not show any damage that could have been caused by epileptic seizures. Nothing she didn't have epilepsy, but it hadn't damaged her brain, at least not physically. Also odd with it are pupils, or that pupils are usually dilated, and the body showed no de-cupitis, which is kind of ulcers, customarily found in patients who have starved a death. So some things didn't line up with the diagnosis. The local rumor mill gets crazy. It goes crazy. The press catches wind of her exorcisms and questionable death. So some things didn't line up with the diagnosis. The local rumor mill gets crazy.

Starting point is 01:35:45 The press catches wind of her exorcisms and questionable death. Local non-religious journalists go hardcore against the church. They frame the narrative of Annalisa's death as the fault of Medieval and superstitious church practices. But then there's the other side. There's local people who did believe that the devil did it. Did believe she was possessed.

Starting point is 01:36:00 Then suddenly a number of people in town in the area start reporting that they're being possessed by the devil or by Annelise herself. They start reporting messages basically saying that she didn't die because demons of the exorcism instead she chose to die. And so another group of people is being like a sacrificial victim for Germany so that evil would not win. People are going crazy with this. There's still that belief that someone can essentially pay

Starting point is 01:36:25 for the sins of others by being punished by the devil. I'm not sure what kind of sense that makes. But it is a belief that Annelise herself had, it's a belief that Annelise's mother had to her dying day. She felt that Annelise just took on the sins of others and that's what happened to her. Criminal investigation begins slowly. The authorities take their time, gather evidence

Starting point is 01:36:41 over about a year to get ready. There's a rumor for a while that they're going slow because they just don't want to prosecute anyone. They want to just kind of go away, but that's not true. They do prosecute. There are those in the wake of Annalise's death that claim to hear again from Annalise herself, such as Sister Dortheia, a Carmelite nun. She claimed to receive messages from Annalise that Annalise wanted to have her body exhumed

Starting point is 01:37:01 to provide proof that there was demonic forces to play, and the proof would be provided in the form of her corpse would not have putrified there would be no decomposition. Well they actually do exhumed her body the following year under the pretense of her family wanted to switch out the coffins, but they believed that the real reason was to see if this was true and not true. Sorry sister Dorothea, you did not hear anything other than your own imagination. Finally, Anneliese's parents in the two priests, with her at the end, earn us all Arnold Renns, they are charged, so all four of them charged with negligent homicide.

Starting point is 01:37:33 And the trial of the priests and the parents goes on. It's a big deal with the press. The courtroom has a seating capacity of 180 of the seats are reserved for the international press. Joseph, Michelle, her dad, suggests that since this was a case involving the devil in possession, everyone in the court should kneel down and pray. But the presiding judge, he's had enough of that

Starting point is 01:37:52 with this case, Elmar Bollander. And he says something along the lines of, this is a court, not a church, and the idea is rejected. I bet he wanted to say, look, this is the shit that got us here in the first place. Ah, no more, not in this case. The judge actually was quick to distance this case from religion.

Starting point is 01:38:07 Part of the judge's opening remarks were, this was a matter of two civilians facing the court, not two servants of the church, as far as the priests in this particular charges. What was involved, he said, was that some citizens violated the law. It was a neglect and a sense of the law. It was therefore important to state clearly. This was not an attack against the faith, against the extra system, the only point to consider he maintained

Starting point is 01:38:28 was the fact that the girl had starved to death. And then the case kicks off, and I feel like all those journalists end up getting a lot of the stories they want, a lot of good sound bites. At one point during the trial, Father Alletz says to the judge, your honor, you may laugh about this,

Starting point is 01:38:40 and even 50 million people, I say, it says in a quote, relax about this, 50 million people relax about this and even 50 million people, I say, it says in the quote, relax about this. 50 million people relax about this. Maybe we're all meant to say also laugh. I don't think we'll have to say there's some translation problems here. But he says, if I am to tell you that we did cast out 50 demons,

Starting point is 01:38:56 I stand by what I'm saying because I am representing also the authentic belief of the Catholic church. Can you imagine something along the lines being, those lines being said today in a U.S. court? Did I tie my wife up in the basement for several days, Your Honor? No, I tied up six demons that were using my wife's body for several days. That kind of talk would not help your case. That's not going to get your case dismissed. Might add some extra time to it. Father Alt never thought

Starting point is 01:39:23 she was dangerously ill. He spoke about the various demons about how Annalise didn't want to eat because of the demon influence. Father Ren said if he suspected a real physical illness, he would have been the first to contact medical help. A lot of testimony he was given during Annalise's trial, friends, classmates, family, doctors, other members of the clergy. At the end of the first week, the court heard some exorcism tapes, the ones we listened to, to show that she was possessed.

Starting point is 01:39:49 Father Rodwick used call to testify, said that out of the thousand cases of possession that he had data on, known it ever died. You compared a state of possession to a hypnotic state in a sense that people have no idea over what they're doing. Peter and Thayahine also testified it on Friday that Annalisa did not want to talk to a physician because she was terrified of being called crazy, sent to the state mental institution Regarding the medicine analyst was was taking to control her epilepsy that a tegritol a Doctor testified that while some of the drugs prescribed for the treatment of epilepsy could themselves produce a psychosis This is not known to be the case with tegritol so they don't think it was the medicine Analysts parents did a they dug a proverbial hole

Starting point is 01:40:25 for the priest when they kept saying that they entrusted their daughter's body and soul to the care of the church in the priest. Prosecution used that as their argument saying that when the priest undertook the exorcism, they assumed responsibility for the care of Anelis and through their negligence she died. And here's what the court ended up deciding.

Starting point is 01:40:40 The court opinion was that the parties to the affair could not have known that the epilepsy had morphed into the psychosis, which is what had taken place. And then in May 1976, Annelise no longer had the ability to decide her fate freely. The exorcism set influence to her illness by not calling a doctor, the defendants had become guilty of negligent homicide. But then they got kind of a meaningless sentence. They were sentenced to like half a year, like in prison, but then that was suspended for three years, and none of them ever spent a day in jail.

Starting point is 01:41:10 And then they just had to pay court costs, is basically all they had to pay. The defense said they were gonna appeal because they didn't like guilty verdict, but then they didn't. Father Alt wanted to have his sentence revised, but he refused the appeal, saying this is a matter of God,

Starting point is 01:41:22 worldly courts could not pass judgment on it then after the trial some more weird shit goes on and I do feel like the judge was leaning because it was just a fucked up situation you know it wasn't like she was this completely healthy girl and all of a sudden her parents changed her to a bed and forced priests to do exercise like she wanted it she was a grown-up when she wanted it maybe she was mentally ill but it was very confusing as you guys now know after listening to suck and then after after she after the trial, people keep spreading messages attributed to her speaking from beyond the grave.

Starting point is 01:41:50 Dr. Veth, that theology professor, she kept trying to try to finish her thesis for the man who spoke against father alt at the trial. He died shortly after the trial of a heart failure. Another priest who testified against the defendant also died suddenly right after the trial. Two men who had built a floating a float, excuse me, spoofing the extra system during a carnival parade in Klingenburg. They were injured in a freak accident right after the trial. Peter, her boyfriend, his eyes right after the trial turned jet black. He had horns sprouting from his head. His legs turned into goat legs. He spread had bat wings. He started flying around to places

Starting point is 01:42:25 instead of walking and that people thought that was weird that that happened at that time. Of course, that was ridiculous. The suck leaves this with so many questions. Let's, you know, kind of final wrap up here. Was Annalise just mentally ill? You know, but then how did that explain all the things that didn't just happen to her, like the smells and, you know,

Starting point is 01:42:43 even some of the sounds, the weird being unable to be lifted. There's also a question though, if she wasn't part of a culture deeply rooted in Catholicism, and would this have happened in the first place? There's this Freudian psychoanalysis of Annalysis possession in that her symptoms of hysteria, or of hysteria was caused by sexual conflict. Did she have this hysteria?

Starting point is 01:43:06 Because her dad was authoritarian, like the one that therapist said and that she hated her mother. Is the alleged possession really just some sort of regression in a childhood behavior? There's also this weird thing that women seem to experience possession more often than men. Why is that? Why do possession transes often occur most or most often occur in agricultural societies where women are brought up to be obedient and Nurtron as opposed to be independent, you know, is it somehow cultural?

Starting point is 01:43:29 You know, I mean she clearly wasn't raised to be a strong and dependent woman and you don't hear about strong and dependent women in my To my knowledge becoming possessed you don't you don't hear about some like you know white collar independent career climb and ask Kick and go get her suddenly her careers derailed because she's possessed all the time. I feel like it's like women like Annelise, like very religious, a little more docile, a little more easily dominated than they are dominated at home. And then there's still the question of, you know, even though it's not supposed to have these side effects, did that drug take retall somehow kill Annelise? You know, was it some kind of possible drug intoxication?

Starting point is 01:44:05 Could that explain her strongly dilated pupils at the moment of her death? Drug intoxication could account for a scary vocalizations perhaps at the end. Patient London around 1995 was given a very high dose of LSD25 during some psychiatric consultation. I'm guessing that is not the same as just, you know, street acid. And the patient tried to speak, but instead of words,

Starting point is 01:44:27 he went into a vocalization that was just a scary, actually I think that is acid. But anyway, he tried to speak when he was high, and he goes into some vocalization that was just as scary as Anilisa's vocalizations. His words were fast, at the end like hers, they varied erratically. So, you know, this is under that umbrella of

Starting point is 01:44:45 like speculation over to the drug, she was on have something to do with it. The effective tech retall on the blood, especially the platelets does cause users to bruise easily, could that account for Father Rens's description of Annelise, Annelise looking black and blue at her hitter self. Olturation of the gums is another symptom that some tech retell users suffer from and you see pictures of her at the very end and she did have these mouth kind of sores. You know, the fasting could be seen as an unrecognized side effect of the drug.

Starting point is 01:45:13 Who knows? Who knows? We'll never know for sure. And that's why this topic is creepy. Yeah, there's a lot of possible scientific explanations for some of what happened to explain all of it, I believe, is a little trickier. I guess maybe, maybe it still can be explained by scientific principles, I don't understand.

Starting point is 01:45:34 But what if it can't? How much would that fucking destroy your worldview? What if it wasn't Lindsey who would ran by the window to scare me earlier? What if it was a fucking demon thing? How much does that change your outlook on life? We have so many things to worry about in life. Money, health, relationships, being harmed by some psychotic stranger, being harmed by some seemingly non-threatening friend or family member, natural disasters, war, famine, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. But what if something actually exists outside of all those that's even scarier?

Starting point is 01:45:57 What if the fucking devil exists? What if his minions exist? What if that son of a bitch is a real thing? A real entity? What if shadow people, the top hat man, all that stuff? What if it's real? I hope not, but a lot of people believe it. I say I don't believe it, most time I don't, but you heard how freaked out I got when I thought I saw something.

Starting point is 01:46:12 So clearly, a part of me thinks it's possible. I mean, it is scary, man, when you think you hear something, something that just doesn't sound right, feels off. You know, you suddenly feel a presence, I don't know if you've ever had that happen to you. You know, kind of just, like, I can hear something, oh my God, I can hear something right now, actually, can you hear that?

Starting point is 01:46:30 Is that coming through the mic? Listen, right, listen close, right there. It feels like it's in the room. It's bow jangles. He's telling me to wrap this fucking episode up. Get to the top five takeaways. Damn it, that sometimes scary one-on-three-legged, beautiful mascot gets us.

Starting point is 01:46:45 Ah. Time shut, top five takeaways. Number one, Annalise Michelle at 23 years of age definitely did die early in the morning of July 1st, 1976. That we know for sure. The events led to her death will be questioned forever. Number two, two of the priests involved in the Analyse's exorcism and both her parents were found guilty of negligent homicide, but could her death really have been prevented?

Starting point is 01:47:14 If you believe that demons are real, probably not. Number three, possessed gravity. That term will stick with me forever. If you go to lift, you're normally very liftable friend, and you can't because they're very heavy. Watch out. They may have recently put on some demon weight. Number four, virtue signaling, the action or practice of publicly expressing opinions or sentiments intended to demonstrate one's good character or the moral correctness of one's position on a particular issue. Now that you know what that is, check out how much of that there is online. It's incredible. And number five, new info.

Starting point is 01:47:49 Don't let this suck inspire you to go out and try and commit extra systems on your own. Don't go rogue. Some sisters in North Carolina, excuse me, South Carolina recently did. Some sisters, they called what they did in extracism. Police called it assault and kidnapping. Recently in South Carolina, sisters Brittany Jones, 28 and Tiara Jones, 26 are now facing charges for allegedly assaulting the neighbor with the cross and what police call an exorcism attempt. The incident happened last month, March 19th, uh, they broke into their 56 year old neighbor's house, held her

Starting point is 01:48:23 against her will for a quote, extended period of time, according to police reports. And they hit her over and over on the upper and lower parts of her body with a cross, believing she was possessed. She finally escaped and got help from a neighbor and then officers arrived at her residence and found her home in disarray.

Starting point is 01:48:42 So while exorcisms might be real, you should probably not attempt one especially on a neighbor. Can you imagine that your neighbors break in, hold you down and start beating you with a cross? Don't do that, don't do that. Time suck, tough, right takeaway. The demonic possession of Annalise Michelle,

Starting point is 01:48:59 part one and part two, now in the suck pile. Next to the suck shed. Thanks to Harmony Velocamp, Jesse Dobner, Lindsey Cummins, Josh Crel, the entire time part two now in the suck pile next to the suck shed thanks to harmony velokamp Jesse dobner Lindsey com is Josh krell the entire time's like team for their help and huge thanks to the lily twins Rebecca and Sarah O.G. members of the botjangles research department for crushing it on the research. So what is next? Monday we suck on the Spanish in position according to modern estimates around 150,000 people were persecuted for various offenses during the three century-long duration of the Spanish Inquisition, out of which between

Starting point is 01:49:31 somewhere between 3,000 and 5,000 people were executed. Many of them horrifically tortured before dying. Interesting little run through Christianity, we've had lately. This will be the last one for a while. I'm looking on the calendar after this one. We're out of that wormhole. We go serial killer after this. I'm always wanting to learn more about the inquisition. And I have a feeling we're gonna know a lot more about medieval torture devices in a week

Starting point is 01:49:56 than we do right now. Hopefully for those of you who like the Salem Witchtrial suck, which is still one of my favorites, this will be another kind of of that ilk. And now let's find out what you suckers have been talking about this past week with some time sucker updates. Nick Glazer is written in to try and set some of our minds at ease regarding the possibility of demonic intervention in our lives.

Starting point is 01:50:26 He does not believe in it and here's what he writes. He writes, dear sucker of all things suckable. I'm 20 minutes into time, suck bonus episode 20 as I write you this message. I just heard you say that Richard Gallagher's endorsement, this is that NYU professor and the psychiatrist. His endorsement, demonic possession has you frightened and believe it might be real i applaud your open mind in this but in this case i can use your fears for doctor galagher has committed an

Starting point is 01:50:50 important logical fallacy and region this this conclusion he noted that there are some cases that he could not explain and concluded that there must be a dynamic possession demonic possession but countless other equally logical explanations also exist for example the secret knowledge you mentioned

Starting point is 01:51:05 that had convinced some of his first case might just be psychic. There's not something, that's not something that psychologists would be able to explain and is at least as plausible as ethereal hell beasts. For him to have left all the way from, I don't know what's going on here, to demons are real, be trades, and adequate, understanding of logic,

Starting point is 01:51:22 that is certainly present in the rest of his work as well. So take heart, O suckSuckers are Prem. Demons are no more likely now than they were when you began researching this episode. It's nothing but a network of psychic pranksters delving into the innermost secret parts of our minds and making us think demons are real. No big deal, hail Nimrod, screw loose the beenah,

Starting point is 01:51:38 switch those up every now and then. Nick. Thank you, Nick. And you know, that's an excellent point that I did not think of. You know, just because something that we can't see might exist that also might be able to, you know, in this example, like affect our decisions and, you know, harm our lives, that doesn't make it necessarily Satan or some minion of the devil. Something else could be out there that we

Starting point is 01:51:58 don't know about. Some other weird paranormal life form that just enjoys for whatever reason, making us think that demons are real, for example. Because when you enter the realm of the unprovable and the unknown, suddenly everything becomes possible. Anything is possible, not just demons. So that's interesting food for us to suck on Nick. It could be loose to Fina. Maybe loose to Fina's out there, right?

Starting point is 01:52:19 Maybe Nimrod's test this. So thank you and hail Nimrod. And John Perkins, he wrote in with the pronunciation update for a word, I don't even remember saying, but I have no doubt that I did. And apparently I did so incorrectly, which I also am not surprised by. He writes what person over 13, doesn't know how to pronounce the name of the city of Prague. Hill Nimrod. Apparently, apparently me, I guess I can't believe I fucked that one up. It's Prague. What did I look at? What did I say? Did I say pray or something? I can't believe I fucked that one up. It's Prague. What did I look to be in? What did I say? Did I say pray or something?

Starting point is 01:52:46 I don't know, maybe I was just talking too fast. Damn, mush mouth. So how about that, John? Thanks for the, uh, correction. Uh, this message isn't really an update to anything. I just found it funny. Sucker Jeremy Bameon sent in the following. He just said, the whole message said, parents just asked me to leave dinner.

Starting point is 01:53:01 They were talking religion and I played, I keep forgetting. Uh, you know, uh, promptly yelling, uh, you've been Michael motherfucking McDonald. asked me to leave dinner. They were talking religion and I played, I keep forgetting. Promply yelling, you've been Michael motherfucking McDonald, Hail Nimrod and his prophet. I just, you paint quite a picture with only a few words there, Jeremy. I love that you were asked to leave dinner. I, and then they were talking religion

Starting point is 01:53:23 so I imagine you were being sarcastic. And then somehow play, I'm guessing on your phone, i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i thrilled, but it sounds like you live in a weird fun house if you felt comfortable even doing that. I love it. North West sucker, Nicholas Carbinell writes in with the flaming shit update. Because remember I was talking about how I, like, how is anyone know what the flaming shit smells like? Well, he does. He says, they're sucking ten to, I didn't catch this until just now. Sir sucking ten to turn. I wanted to say third, but you wrote turd.

Starting point is 01:54:00 Well played. First time caller, long time listener. Time suck was the first podcast I listened to after being hounded by friends. I love the people who are hounded people about time suck spreading it. My better half and I just listened to the first part of bonus 20 to answer your question.

Starting point is 01:54:14 Who knows what burning poo smells like? Well, I do. I burn my fair share of duty while I rack. Thank you for your service, by the way. 15 months of it and honestly, it's not that bad. Yeah, maybe after a while you actually, I bet initially it was bad. I'll tell you, there's nothing like drinking beer

Starting point is 01:54:29 while bullshit in around a 55 gallon drum of burning shit. Anyways, so you need to perform stand up and spoke, and we'll be there for the live recording in May. Fuck yeah. Love the podcast, keep up the good work. I hope you make it to Mizzoula sometime. Me too, man, it's only a few hours away. I love Mizzoula.

Starting point is 01:54:42 Also, I shit you not. There was a three-legged pit bull mix that sexually assaulted my dog at the dog park. I'm sure it was your doing. Hail Nimrod and Hail Lucifianus Fine Ass. Nick and Shelby. Well, thank you, man. And I had similar messages from other military listeners

Starting point is 01:54:59 who have had to burn shit. So yeah, so I guess people do know what it smells like. And I guess it's pretty rough even though you say you got used to it. A religious sucker and good human, Brexquire, standing in awesome update, saying, I know you aren't religious, but as a Christian, I have some thought on this as well. And this message, by the way, is referring to me saying, like, why do demons always seem to go after religious people? Well, he hasn't seen thought in this. And other people sense this same thought. And put yourself in a world where

Starting point is 01:55:24 God is hell, or where God is hell, or where God is hell, where God is real, that's a different world. Where God is real and so is hell. This is the world I believe in. That being said, people who aren't being saved are going to hell anyway. So why would a demon target a non-religious person?

Starting point is 01:55:38 That would be damning, they're already damned. Instead, I think it is way more plausible that they would target those who are likely to go to heaven in order to prevent as many from going. All that being said, know that I've been praying for you to come to know Jesus, your stand up guy, and it would be great to know that you are saved as well. Can't wait for part two Monday, super pumped,

Starting point is 01:55:55 hail boat jangles. And some people get annoyed by that. It's funny, some non-religious people like, oh, yeah, stop praying for me, stop with that. I consider it a compliment. It's similar to, it's like when people get freaked out when like if they're straight and someone who's gay hits on them, that is also a compliment, right?

Starting point is 01:56:11 That is how they're expressing their interest in you. It feels good to be wanted. It feels good that people want me to be saved. So yeah, I had a joke about that years ago. I think it was crazy with the capital F about how I had a friend who was very Christian and never brought it up. And I'm like, dude, you believe I'm going to burn the lake or fire forever and you fucking

Starting point is 01:56:29 can't start bringing up once. I can't remember the rest of my own joke, but I've thought about this before. So thank you. I appreciate you thinking to me. Finally, final update from a young master's sucker, Harley Russell, doing big things right now. He writes, dear king and queen comments. Oh, my wife's's gonna love that.

Starting point is 01:56:45 Lindsay loves it when she's included. The master doctor Reverend and the entire research crew. I wanna thank you for all the hard work. I'm putting together this awesome podcast. I've been listening for a year or so now, and for the past six months, I've been slowly working my way into getting into the Coast Guard.

Starting point is 01:56:59 Well tomorrow is the big day, where I swear in, and I fly out to begin on Tuesday, the 23rd. You know, you've kept me entertained on all my runs and I'm making sure, yeah, oh wait, Tuesday, the 23rd, oh yeah, Monday's actually 23rd. So I don't know if you have the 23rd wrong or the day wrong, but anyway, it's either happening for you today or tomorrow. And that's why I paused there.

Starting point is 01:57:23 And Hartley says, you've kept me entertained on my runs. And with that, I've been able to improve my runtime by about seven minutes per mile. I've dropped nearly 45 pounds. Wow. Finally, make it below the weight requirement. The one upside to me being gone for these two months is that when I get back to having my phone again, I will be able to soak up so much suck knowledge in my downtime. What little of it I may have to the list listeners, please send your thoughts and positive vibes as I will need all the help I can get. I'm sure.

Starting point is 01:57:49 Thanks again, can't wait to hear your shenanigans through my headphones again in a couple months and, sincerely, soon to be seeming recruit and space lizard. Mm-hmm. And that is Harley Russell. Harley, oh man, congratulations buddy. If it's today, if it's tomorrow, if you're here in this now, if you're in this two months, we are thinking of you and glad to suck and help you kick some ass and accomplish what

Starting point is 01:58:12 you want to in life. Thanks, time suckers. I need a net. We all did. Well, that's all today, time suckers. Hope to see a bunch of you in San Fran this week. Don't get possessed. Don't get possessed this week and don't exercise others.

Starting point is 01:58:27 If it is possible, doesn't seem to be a good time to get possessed and legally, the police don't like it if you try to exercise random strangers or neighbors. So keep off the demons and keep on sucking. Thank you.

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