Timesuck with Dan Cummins - BONUS 11 - The Amityville Horror

Episode Date: October 20, 2017

At roughly 3:00 AM, Nov. 13, 1974, twenty three year old Ronald Joseph "Butch" DeFeo Jr took a thirty-five caliber Marlin rifle and executed all six members of entire immediate family in their sleep a...t the family home on 112 Ocean Avenue in Amityville, Long Island. Strangely, all were found lying in their beds with no signs of a struggle. How did the rifle not wake five of them up after the first victim was shot? A little over a year later the Lutz family moved into the same home and 28 days later left their belongings inside and fled what they believed was physical and psychological torment at the hands of evil, paranormal entities. What really happened at Amityville? 100% truth? 100% hoax? Or somewhere in the middle? Listen and find out on a haunted house, Halloween edition of Timesuck! This episode of Timesuck is brought to you by the amazing Astonishing Legends podcast! Go to www.astonishinglegends.com and listen to hosts Scott Philbrook and Forrest Burgess take you on fascinating deep dives into the odd and unexplained! Merch - https://badmagicmerch.com/ Want to try out Discord!?! https://discord.gg/tqzH89v Want to join the Cult of the Curious private Facebook Group? Go directly to Facebook and search for "Cult of the Curious" in order to locate whatever current page hasn't been put in FB Jail :) For all merch related questions: https://badmagicmerch.com/pages/contact Please rate and subscribe on iTunes and elsewhere and follow the suck on social media!! @timesuckpodcast on IG, @timesuckpodcast on Twitter, and www.facebook.com/timesuckpodcast

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Starting point is 00:00:00 At roughly 3am, November 13th, 1974, 23-year-old Ronald Joseph Butch DeFaeo Jr. took a 35-caliber Marlon rifle, the kind often used to hunt deer, and he went on a very different sort of hunting spree. This night Butch used his recently purchased rifle to execute his entire immediate family, who were all sleeping at the family home on 112 Ocean Avenue in Amityville Long Island. Ronald J. DeFoe senior 43 his wife Louise 42 two sons John 9 and Mark 12 and two daughters Allison 13 and Dawn 18 were all found shot to death the next day after butch showed up at Henry's bar a local tavern near his home at approximately 6 3030pm shouting, you got to help me. I think
Starting point is 00:00:45 my mother and father shot. Butch had worked half a ship at his grandfather's Brooklyn Buick car dealership and then hung out with friends for a few hours before allegedly heading home, finding some of the bodies and then running to Henry's bar. A friend at the bar called the police and within 24 hours butch would confess to the killings. 13 months later, the Lutz family, Georgian Kathleen and Kathleen's three children, Daniel nine, Christopher seven and Missy five, moved in after getting one hell of a deal on a place. You can get a huge discount on a home after a family gets murdered by their son as it turns out, like a half off discount.
Starting point is 00:01:20 And then 28 days later, they moved right back on out, claiming malevolent spirits had been assaulting them, driving them mad, and doing all kinds of other dickhead-go stuff. A book about their alleged paranormal experiences in the Amityville home spawned a few movies. The Amityville horror book would go on to be published two years later and sell an estimated 10 million copies worldwide, but is it true? Was the house plagued by demonic forces? Did unnatural swarms of flies bombard the home in the middle of the winter? Did a Catholic priest hear an unseen force clearly tell him to get out after feeling a cold and violent presence in the room?
Starting point is 00:01:55 Was Catholic lets attacked by an invisible force and lifted off the ground? Were red, evil, and glowing eyes spotted looking into the house? Did the dog refuse to go into a secret red room not in the home's blueprints, and so much more other spooky questions we need to look into answers for. So let's find out. Let's take a look at Amityville. Let's suck on a good old fashioned haunted house in this demonically possessed edition of Time Suck. Hello time suckers and future space lizards. Welcome to this 1100 I-Tune review bonus edition
Starting point is 00:02:34 of the Suck. Hail Nimrod! And today on the spooky October episode, Hail Lucifina as well. This is time suck and I'm its host, Dan Cummins, aka Grandmaster Suck, aka Father of Suck, aka All Might or Sucker of Time, aka Fucker Time Suck, aka all the other crazy titles you weirdos have come up with this past week. I love it. Today's Time Suck is brought to you by the Estonishing Legends podcast, who I approached about introducing each other's podcast to our audiences because I'm a fan. Love getting to promote what I enjoy and I enjoy astonishing legends. Host Scott Philbrook, Forest Burgess,
Starting point is 00:03:11 and their incredibly well-informed team take you on some serious deep dives on everything strange, dark, odd, unusual throughout history and damn it, do they do their homework? Very thorough and their findings, which I appreciate, because it's hard to find an entertaining podcast. It does that, it's a lot of work. This is no Wikipedia readies guys are doing.
Starting point is 00:03:29 They have a great website that makes me very jealous, actually, astonishingledgents.com, features links to their research resources. Time sucks gonna get one of those, you know, going on to their new website, once the app launches. And they even have Amazon links to the books they use for research if you wanna dig in further on your own. It's a really amazing website.
Starting point is 00:03:47 So give them a listen, highly recommend it. The bellwitch is an excellent recent and scary two-parter that will get you into the Halloween spirits. And the very creepy and spooky subject of Black Eyed Children that is on the time suck list as well. I know many of you have written it about that, is coming up on astonishing legends just in time for Halloween. So again, get your paranormal fixed and check out astonishing legends podcast available on iTunes, AudioBoom, Stitcher, Google Play, and elsewhere all over the web. Link to their website for more info
Starting point is 00:04:16 in today's episode description. All right, a couple of thank yous. Now thank you for all the itunes reviews. Again, let it this bonus episode. Already more than 1300 reviews. So you get another bonus episode on November 3rd, and then weeks after that, you'll get the 1300 review episode on November 24th. So much bonus suck, I'm half into scheduled them out. And after realizing how much work it takes to put a full episode together,
Starting point is 00:04:40 with or without volunteer help, volunteer help always makes it a better episode. Still a lot of work though. I know I now I need a good three weeks in between bonus episodes to not go completely insane So I can get a somewhat human level of sleep which always robot didn't require sleep And I can just pump out stories around the clock But not yet. So come on Elon Musk. Get some futuristic shit developed already. I want to be a robot post humanism. You're a cum I'm ready. Anyway, if you keep those reviews pouring in,
Starting point is 00:05:07 the bonus episode just can keep rolling out. One every three weeks, I think that's a good pace. I'd love to keep that going. And that really truly is the best I can do. Especially once the app launches, and I have the time, the Secret Suck, bonus podcast, also being produced on a weekly basis. Any more suck than that, and the quality will go to shit,
Starting point is 00:05:23 and I'll suck my goddamn brains out against the wall behind me, and my lifeless body will slump and suck its way onto the floor and then into a cremation furnace. But love their views. Love them. Stuff like best way to get through the work week by Galloway guitar. Who went on to say, I first met Dan Cummins when I was an intern on the monsters in the morning radio show in Orlando, Florida back in 2015. He recently rolled through Orlando to perform with the Orlando improv and I heard him back on the monsters in the morning radio show in Orlando, Florida back in 2015. He recently rolled through Orlando to perform with the Orlando improv and I heard him back
Starting point is 00:05:47 on the air ever since I've been hooked on Time Suck. It's a great way to explore some dark and not so dark topics in history and a comical format. I listen every day at work, can't wait till a new episode is posted for those looking for a way to learn and be entertained. There is no better way than listening to Time Suck. Well thank you, Galilee. Guitar appreciate that.
Starting point is 00:06:04 Man, monsters are are rock, man. Those guys also help produce Tom and Dan. So those BDMs, you guys out there, a lot of relationships with the Monsters in the morning radio show. I think I said Monsters are rock. Monsters, you know what I'm talking about. iTunes reviewer, Steph Conn was less impressed with Time Suck saying, not for me.
Starting point is 00:06:22 And then adding, I couldn't get into this podcast because of the weird supposed to be funny, I think, tangents that the host goes off on. Fair enough, Steph, you know what, fair enough. Not everyone's cut out to be a member of the cult of the curious. Not everyone appreciates my humor, cool with that. Some people like yourself are cut out to give over 75%
Starting point is 00:06:40 of the many things they review on iTunes, one-star ratings. I clicked on your profile, Steph, and now you're listening now. And you know, you're probably busy, not liking something else, one-star and something else. So keep that troll game on point there, Steph. But seriously, the suck is not for everyone, but dammit, I'm so glad it's working for you guys. You curious and a reverent, beautiful bastards. And I hope you keep coming to some stand-up shows this year. Jersey, tonight, tomorrow night, shows the Banana's here all Jersey tonight. Tomorrow night shows the bananas comedy club
Starting point is 00:07:05 in Hasbrook Heights, New Jersey, October 20, 21. Be the date, no high of funny bone. November two to the fifth. Spokane Washington, come on, Spokane Comedy Club. November 9 through 11. Dr. Grins and Grand Rapids, Michigan, November 30 through December 2. St. Louis, funny bone.
Starting point is 00:07:20 December 7 through the 10th, comedy club on state. Madison, Wisconsin, December 14 through 16. Oh God, I'm gonna be losing my mind in December., comedy club on state, Madison, Wisconsin, December 14th through 16th. Oh God, I'm gonna be losing my mind in December. And comedy works in Denver, Colorado, December 28th through New Year's Eve. All kinds of cool dates lined up for a rest of the year and a lot more coming up in 2018. Can I get some live podcasts in 2018 too? And now it's the Amityville Horror. All right.
Starting point is 00:07:46 Structuring the whole show a little differently today. Want to address all the criticisms regarding Amitabhael being a hoax in the history of the house up front. We're going to get that all the way from my skeptics out there and then we'll close on a little haunting time sub timeline as it was reported by the Lutz family to the author of the Amitabhael Horror. Jay Anson, as far as I know, how they reported to him the book, all the movies have been based on, and you can sign for yourself if you want to believe it. So I will say if you've been listening to
Starting point is 00:08:12 this podcast since the beginning, you know I'm a skeptic, but this one creeps me the fuck out. No way I would spend a night in that house. No way, not interested after this week's research. I watched the 1979 original, the Amityville Horror, loan in my dark basement with my dog Penny after doing most of my research and it still creeped me out. It was weird, man, the TV kept cutting out. Never done that before in Penny, who's you doesn't give a shit about?
Starting point is 00:08:38 What's on the TV? She kept freaking out, man, she kept growling and barking and screaming, I'm not even kidding. I've never seen her act that way. So for all my skepticism, skeave me out a little bit. Definitely was not brave enough to turn back around when I felt like I was being watched,
Starting point is 00:08:51 heading up the stairs out of the basement and told a darkness after turning off the TV. So damn you loose Fina. Was it you? Time's up devil, watching me from the darkness, convincing me to go down there, have a few drinks in the first place, instead of working more on the computer.
Starting point is 00:09:03 If only I had bow jangles to sick upon your evil ass. Okay, before we get into the story of the alleged haunting, let's talk about what we know for sure went on at 112th, Ocean Avenue, the murder of the Defeo family, the last family to live in the home before the Lutzes. On November 21st, 1975, a jury found bush Defeo guilty on six counts of second degree murder. He was sentenced to six consecutive life sentences.
Starting point is 00:09:25 That's a lot sent to the Green Haven Correctional Facility and Beacom, New York. His appeals to the parole board have all been turned down. He's currently 66 years old, locked up at the Sullivan Correctional Facility in the town of Fallsburg, New York. The failed defense attorney William Weber attempted an insanity plea for Butch
Starting point is 00:09:41 and the murder suspect told jurors that he heard voices inside the house voices from the house house telling him to kill his family. The psychiatrist for the defense doctor Daniel Schwartz supported this claim saying that Defeo was neurotic and suffered from disassociative disorder. But the psychiatrist for the prosecution Dr. Harold Zolan provided proved that Defeo suffered from anti-social personality disorder, a mental illness that made him aware of his actions. He wasn't motivated by voices,
Starting point is 00:10:09 but instead by his own self-centered attitude and desires, he knew what he was doing. Anti-social personality disorder. I would say if you're the kind of guy who brutally murders, not only his parents, but also all of his brothers and sisters, you got some social issues. You got some anti-social tendencies.
Starting point is 00:10:27 You don't seem to play that well with others. When a Suffolk County detective had originally questioned Butch about who could be a suspect at the beginning of the murder investigation, he told Demi Thott, Mafia hitman, Louis Felini, maybe in responsible.
Starting point is 00:10:42 Butch cited an old grudge between Felini and the defaio family over some work butch did for him at the family car dealership told police, even a play watch and TV unable to sleep, left for work early. Said he believed his family was alive when he left for work. Then he told him to wear a mouse for the rest of the day. Police placed a butch and protective custody initially as a search for a suspect. But then when police searched the defao house and the hours after the crime, butchers testimony started to not make much sense.
Starting point is 00:11:06 They found an empty box for a recently purchased 35 caliber Marlin gun in Butchers room. Same caliber gun. The defaulers were killed with fucking idiot Butch was, you know, just I just figured out how to get away with the murder of my entire family. I'm going to pop them all in the sleep and expose the gun, but I'm going to leave the left over bullets and receipts for the gun and the bullets in my room Just put that stuff in my room because police never looking nearby rooms for murder evidence
Starting point is 00:11:30 He's easy-peasy and I'll blame some random mob guy probably has an alibi, but who cares? You know, he's a mob guy so the police will take my word for everything won't even investigate him at all Then he'll go to jail and I won't even have to play Wednesday night board games with my family anymore No more being occasionally teased by the siblings. I shouldn't even have to play Wednesday night board games with my family anymore. No more being a case, you teased by the siblings. I shouldn't see that much anyway, because I'm old enough to have been living on my own for a while now. It's the perfect crime. I have no idea what accent that was. I just jumped into doing a voice and then thought halfway into it.
Starting point is 00:11:57 It should probably be somewhat New York-based. And then, man, I don't know if that worked out or not. But I liked it. Also, as the forensics timeline came together, see more realistic that the murders that happened early in the morning for one thing. The family had still been wearing their pajamas. So highly unlikely to have happened
Starting point is 00:12:13 after Butch went to work as he'd claimed, placing Butch at home at the time of the homicides. And again, what fucking moron? Right, why would you make these claims? But then they're all dead and they're pajamas. That makes no sense. Just, you know, while they wear their pajamas officer, well, you know, because it's Wednesday.
Starting point is 00:12:29 Everybody knows the Wednesdays, a family stayed home from work in school and have a pajama party's days. You're telling me that your entire family, except for you, always stayed home on Wednesday for a pajama party. What I'm saying is, did you guys bring in a mob guy yet? The murder dude, who definitely did it?
Starting point is 00:12:46 Can we talk about him? Now, can we ever talk about him? Less about the pajamas, more about him. When police started questioning Butch, about the gun of the Pajamas, he started changing the story. First, he said that Fellini had appeared at the house early that morning, put a revolver to his head.
Starting point is 00:12:59 Then he said Fellini, and an accomplice, dragged Butch from room to, as they murdered his family. And then as the story unraveled, please got him to confess what really happened. And he said, he did it. He said, once I started, I just couldn't stop. It went so fast. So why did he do it?
Starting point is 00:13:14 The Faye was never given a consistent story as to why he murdered his family. Never a real good reason. The most likely mode of his greed. Apparently shortly after the murder, as he asked the detective, what he needed to do to collect his father's life insurance policy.
Starting point is 00:13:27 And again, man, what a real genius this guy, the investigating homicide police officer, that's who you're gonna ask about the insurance policy. This, yeah, I'm really shaking out, I'm really shaking out about this. Whole family this guy killed me. I will for sure, I will for sure cry about this later. But for now, I got a question for you.
Starting point is 00:13:48 How do I get my dad's life insurance money? You know, I might be nice, you know, might be nice taking my mind off. The brutal deaths of my entire family. Maybe do a little shopping, you know what I'm saying? You know, maybe get some surf and turf. It's convertible, take a lady friend on a nice vacation to Bermuda, some shit.
Starting point is 00:14:01 Yeah, I just help grief, whatever, you know. In a 1996 interview, for news Day DeFail claims his sister Don killed her father, and then their distraught mother killed all of his siblings before he killed his mother. All right. He stated that he took the blame because he was afraid to say anything negative
Starting point is 00:14:16 about his mother to her father. Michael Brugante Sr., and his father's uncle out of fear that they would kill him. His father's uncle was Pete DeFail, a K-po in the Genevese crime family. You know, the Iceman, Richard Cooke-Linksky, former time suck, was a hitman for the Genevese crime family at the time.
Starting point is 00:14:31 The same time this happened. So, you know, maybe the Iceman did it. Huh? How about that angle? The Iceman, the real horror of Amityville. I mean, I'm the only one throwing out that premise, so it's probably not that. 1990, butch filed an appeal to starting the sister, Don, and an unknown assailant who fled the house before he could get a good look at him, killed their parents, and Don subsequently killed
Starting point is 00:14:50 their siblings. He said the only person he killed was Don, and then it was by accident as he struggled with rifle. He also asserted he was married to a woman named Cheryl Dean that apparently no one knew about, and that her brother was with him at the time of the murders, and that but that her brother was with him at the time of the murders and that but that her brother wouldn't be able to make it to court. Dang it. He just, he was there. He can give an alibi.
Starting point is 00:15:10 He just can't make it ever. You know, just, yeah, no, yeah, there's this, there's totally, there's another guy with me. There's this, Richie. This guy Richie is my wife, not the wife, no one knows about the Geraldine's brother. He can tell you all about it, but unfortunately, he can't make it down to the courtroom. He's busy for the next. He's busy for the next Quite he's been for the next rest of his life great guy great guy great fellow wants to help
Starting point is 00:15:30 But busy and tell about two thousand you know thirty thirty five two about two thousand forty guy knows how to fill up a date planner I tell you I tell you what so how about you accept his note that I have here I know it looks similar to my handwriting. Well I promise you it's rich. He's rich. I have the same handwriting He said he saw it done do it. He's he misspelled like I do. I know it looks similar to my handwriting, but I promise you, Richie's, Richie not have the same handwriting. He said he saw it done, do it. He misspelled it like I do. And I know it's done. Deal, when. I don't know if she'll have the woman's name,
Starting point is 00:15:52 but you know what I mean? That's my sister. Let me out of here. How much do you let me out of here? Dude, it's just a jackass. Completely full of shit. Just constantly throwing out preposterous lies. I think you did it for insurance money
Starting point is 00:16:03 because of his previous history. He was a troubled kid, filed with his parents at home, with kids at school to the point that the family took him to see a psychiatrist and his teens. Stop going to the psychiatrist, his behavior got worse, started using heroin and LSD,
Starting point is 00:16:16 interesting combo, started using those in high school, got expelled to the age of 17 for violent outbursts in school. When he was 18, he was given a job at his grandpa's car dealership and giving a weekly stipend from his dad, classic enabling, classic bread-y rich kid stuff.
Starting point is 00:16:31 You know, if you can't get your juvenile delinquent kid to address his problems with therapy, just throw money at him. Like that ever works. Like that has ever helped a problem child. You know, just, you know, our son was a real asshole until we gave him a cushy job he didn't have to earn. It's a family business and a weekly allowance allowance even though he's a grown fucking man
Starting point is 00:16:48 And even though he refuses to go to counseling or even get his GED and now Year's later after consistently rewarding him for for shitty behavior after consistently positively re-in-14 You know zero effort indoors negative actions. He's a real peach. I got to tell you Real joy to be around everyone loves butch now he's a real peach. I gotta tell you. He real joy to be around. Everyone loves butch. Now he's a great guy. Great guy. Everyone respects him. I remember this brother-in-law of an ex-girlfriend of mine
Starting point is 00:17:12 who was family also coincidentally owned a bunch of car dealerships. His family bought him a house. Yeah, bought him his house. Just straight up bought it for him. A fucking house. Bought him a big truck in his early 20s, like brand new, fully loaded.
Starting point is 00:17:25 Body of a nice ass boat gave him a cushy job, you know, the dealership, like some kind of middle managed, just skip right to like middle management that he sometimes kind of showed up for. Yeah, trust fun. From like the grandparents had money, knew he had a bunch of money coming, whether he worked for it or not, and he was such a piece of shit. Just, ugh, just one of those people were just like, ugh, after five minutes, like, why? Why are you around? Complained about everything, always complaining, even though he had the least to complain about of anyone I knew, I think it bothered him also that
Starting point is 00:17:54 he knew that no one respected him, because, you know, he didn't work for anything. You know, and it's not like his family forced him, you know, to not strike out on his own, either. He could have, he could have cut the cord, could have made his own way, but, you know, he just, he wanted to sit back and take and complain. I guess he and Butch would have just gotten along great. Butch's family kept enabling him, even after he allegedly pulled a shotgun on his dad once in an argument, pulled the trigger and the gun jammed.
Starting point is 00:18:17 Unfortunately for the family, if it wouldn't have jammed, he would have just kind of jail for murdering his father. I say he would have just, like is that, yeah, no biggie, but he would have just gone to jail for murder and his father, I say he would have just, like is that, yeah, no biggie, but you know, he would have just gone to jail for, you know, some little like J-Walkin or Killin' his dad. No, he would have gone for murder and his dad instead of killing everyone. So mathematically, quite a bit better.
Starting point is 00:18:33 Months before killing his family, butch was irritated by what he felt was a meager salary for a fucking job he was given. And he hatched a plan to steal money from his grandfather's car dealership. A dealership his father worked at as well, by the way, in late October, a month before the murders, a dealership were entrusted butch with responsibility of depositing more than $20,000 to the bank butch planned a mock robbery with a friend agreeing to split the money
Starting point is 00:18:57 evenly with his accomplice. What a piece of shit! Planned a mock robbery of his own grandfather's car dealership, the guy who'd been giving him a job. The plan went off without a hitch until police came to the dealership to question Butch instead of calmly answering their questions, Butch exploded into rage when police suspicious that Butch was lying asked him to come into the station to check out some mug shots of possible suspects he refused. And when his dad Ronald Sr. began to suspect
Starting point is 00:19:21 that he suddenly committed the robbery and questioned him about his lack of cooperation with police, Butch threatened to kill his father. So you know old butchipu just a great guy just just a joy to be around He even threatened to kill the judge in his own attorney as trial and and butch is still a piece of shit If you curious, you know, I said he's you know 66 years old and still an unrepentant asshole in prison years after the murders Efforts appeals at all ran out. He said his family looked down on him for his drug use, that he didn't like him, that they were a bunch of assholes, who didn't respect him.
Starting point is 00:19:49 And then he'd do it all over again. He gladly pulled that trigger all over again. So you know what, fuck butch defail. Hope prison life is particularly brutal for him in his final years. Hope he ends up with the nurse that has to wipe his ass and she uses nothing but sandpaper and fire. Okay, however, despite feeling a pretty damn confident that Bush did it the crime scene is still puzzling
Starting point is 00:20:11 How did butch shoot six people in four different rooms without waking any of them up? Like how did that happen that the parents had he's been shot twice? You know the siblings these got shot once, eight total shots. How did zero neighbors hear these rifle blasts? I've seen crime scene photos and they're all laying in their beds. Ken Guguski, the former Amityville police chief was one of the first people on the scene, first law enforcement professionals. To this day, he finds it hard to believe DeFail could have committed the shootings without any members of his family waking up saying, why someone wasn't able to get out of that house is beyond belief. Dr. Howard Adelman, deputy chief medical, medical examiner of Suffolk County was
Starting point is 00:20:53 present at the crime scene, personally conducted the autopsy on the defail family. He testified at the trial that he felt it was impossible. One person could have committed the crimes, saying even if they were sleeping, the report of the weapon that was used is supposed to be so loud that it would have, so to speak, awakened the debt, that it would have, so to speak, awakened the debt. He said, and he said, and he said, also said that none of the victims have been drugged. He said, we did extensive toxicology, not only on the blood and urine, but on all the organs that we removed and it turned up zero, that there was anything in their body.
Starting point is 00:21:25 All faced down in their beds, no signs of struggle with any of them, no drugs in their system. If you're the final victim, how do you sleep through seven different rifle shots spread out over, they said it took about 15 minutes total. While the 35 Marlin isn't the loudest rifles, it's also not the quietest one,
Starting point is 00:21:39 way louder than like a 22 rifle, for example. I've never personally shot a 35 Marlin, but I've shot several 22 rifles, and a 30-out six, and a 270, and none of them are super quiet. I mean, a 22 is for example, I've never personally shot a 35 Marlin, but I've shot several 22 rifles in a 30 out six and a 270 and none of them are super quiet. I mean, a 22 is pretty quiet, but I couldn't sleep through it. It was being shot seven fucking times in the house. Sure, shit. I wouldn't sleep through a 35 Marlin. I watched a, I watched being shot on some YouTube videos and they, you know, had some decent pop. I wouldn't, I wouldn't sleep through one of those shots. So while butch is for sure a piece of shit, the crime scene still doesn't make sense.
Starting point is 00:22:06 Some alleged that other killers had to be involved, but that still doesn't explain the lack of struggle and the position of all the bodies. One explanation for this strange crime scene is a YouTube video called Amityville Horror, the night the government murder the defaos published in 2012 by YouTube channel, you know, YouTube publisher user, high-tech harassment,
Starting point is 00:22:26 and high-tech harassment is definitely an idiot of the internet. [♪ music playing in background, music playing in background, music playing in background, music playing in background, music playing in background, music playing in background, music playing in background, music playing in background, music playing in background, music playing in background, music playing in background, music playing in background, music playing in background, music playing in background, music playing in background, music playing in background, music playing in background, music playing in background, music playing in background, music playing in background, music playing in background, music playing in background, music playing in background, music playing in background, music playing in background, music playing in background, music playing in background, music playing in background, music playing in background, music playing in background, music playing in background, music playing in background, music playing in background, music playing in background, music playing in background, music playing in background, music playing in background, music playing in background, music playing in background, music playing in background, music playing in background, music playing in background, music playing in background, music playing in background, music playing in background, music playing in background, music playing in background, music playing in background, music playing in background, music playing in background, music playing in background, music playing in background, music playing in background, music playing in background, music playing in background, music playing in background, music playing in background, music playing in background, music playing in background, music playing in background, music playing in background, music playing in background, music playing in background, music playing in background, music playing in background, music playing in background, music playing in background, music playing in background, music playing in background, music playing in background, music playing in background, music playing in background, music playing in background, music playing in background, music playing in background, music playing in background, music playing in background, music playing in background, music playing in background, music playing in background, music playing in background, music video that doesn't actually feature much video footage, a few crime scene photos, a few seconds of one video spliced into a slideshow. Mostly just a lot of on-screen text scored with creepy music. But so now let's go through it. Let's go through it. We're going to go through all of it. It starts off with visit www.hitechharassment.com and learn how the government did it. And after when I finished this, I did not visit that website because I don't need to know, I don't need any more high-tech harassment in my life. Okay. But as far as the video goes, you know, it starts off set up the premise, plug the website,
Starting point is 00:23:10 solid opening intro, nothing weird so far. You know, other than claiming that the government killed a random, long island family that is, then it says the information can only, this information can only be presented as fiction. Uh, or what? Or the government will kill you. That's kind of a weird turn. You just said the government did it and now immediately after your saying,
Starting point is 00:23:28 but it's fiction, but I have to say it's fiction. All right, Mr. Mysterious. And then six members of the DeFail family murdered in their sleep by the oldest son and no one can provide a rational explanation of how he did it. Okay, okay, so all again, I agree. It does defy reason.
Starting point is 00:23:44 Amityville is hiding a terrible secret. He did it. Okay, so all again, I agree. It does defy reason. Amityville is hiding a terrible secret. Really? The whole town. The whole of Amityville. The whole town is hiding a secret. I don't know why that. I don't buy that.
Starting point is 00:23:55 A family can't keep a secret for long. Let alone an entire town. It's, you know, it's too much. High-tech harassment. Come on, it's too much. This is what Amityville doesn't want you to know. Mr. DeFail, Big Ronnie and his oldest son, Butch, were heavily involved in organized crime. Okay. All right. All right. I don't know why Amityville wouldn't want me to know that,
Starting point is 00:24:14 but I'm open to them being in crime. You know, there are references all over the web that, you know, they may have been mixed up. At least casually with some organized crime. I'll entertain that. You know, go on. Big Ronnie was running drugs into Amityville with his boat docked right behind the house. Okay, I'll buy that too. And it's being possible. Bigars running drugs, fine. People run drugs.
Starting point is 00:24:34 That's the thing that happens. Big Ronnie and Butch were out of control and their neighbors and powerful people in Amityville feared them. All right, still not too crazy. You know, people are afraid of people to run drugs. Again, that's a thing. Big Ronnie and Butch would often threaten their neighbors by telling them that they would
Starting point is 00:24:51 bring in the mob to murder the neighbor's families if they interfered with the defaill family operation. Ha! I would think that would come up in the police investigation. But you know what? Mafia types are known to threaten people. Still somewhat reasonable, not too outrageous. One direct neighbor of the defails
Starting point is 00:25:10 was a powerful and prominent family in Amityville named The England's. The England family used their influence to bring an outside help to deal with the defail menace. The outside help was the government mafia. Wait, wait, I'm sorry, what was that last thing? The government mafia? Ha!
Starting point is 00:25:28 Uh, hadn't heard of them before. Also, I googled Amityville England family, nothing. Uh, I tried the England's of Amityville, Nada. Uh, I looked on the list. Alex Baldwin is on the list, it's been from Amityville, the Alex Baldwin. He's only there as a baby though. The other three Baldwin boys would be born in Massapiqua, New York, nearby, where they move shortly after he's born.
Starting point is 00:25:55 Amityville is a town of less than 10,000 people. You think at least one of the England's would make the list. Maybe I guess there's secret as they are powerful. And who the hell of the government mafia? You Google government mafia and just a message flashes on screen that you say, what the fuck is wrong with you? It's nonsense. Don't shit.
Starting point is 00:26:12 Well, that doesn't happen. But really nothing comes up. High-tech harassment, though. You know, don't want, let's see, this leads. The government began covert domestic operations against people involved in organized crime beginning in the late 1960s. Yeah, it says who? You know, if you want to say CIA, am I biased?
Starting point is 00:26:28 But it's this government mafia nonsense that's really kind of thrown me. All right. It's, it seems like, I don't know, you, seems like you're making all this shit up. The government mafia is equipped with classified technology they can electronically see and hear through walls. Whoa, what? Okay, now we're really starting to jump the shark. Okay, see through and hear through walls. Where, where? Okay, now we're really starting to jump the shark. Okay, see through and hear through walls. Where did you hear that?
Starting point is 00:26:48 Please any source. The government mafia is also classified technology that can target and incapacitate or kill people through walls. What the fuck you talk? What come on now? Now you definitely have to shark. Classified technology to kill people through walls, but have the walls still be intact. Where are you getting any of this? The government mafia moved into the England house, directly neighboring the defaos residents and placed the defaos under covert surveillance. After months of surveillance, the government mafia decided to use classified lethal weapon
Starting point is 00:27:20 technology to murder six members of the defaail family through the walls of their home. On November 13th, 1974, six members of the defail family were murdered while they slept in their beds. One by one, a beam of electricity fired from a lethal, directed energy weapon into the chest area of each defail family member effectively killing them through the walls of their home. Oh, we wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Okay, hold on, hold on. If the government had an energy beam that could kill people through walls without destroying the walls,
Starting point is 00:27:55 why would they wait for months? Why would they crash next door? That to boot somebody a family out of their house or live with them for months? Why I don't know? Why not just, you know, park a van out in front for like 5-10 minutes in a middle of night, and just, you know, energy beam to shit out of that poor family. Get it over with.
Starting point is 00:28:15 It's not like shooting extra energy beams, it's gonna hurt the house, it doesn't hurt walls, remember? High-tech harassment? Let's make a less sense by the second. Minutes after the murders, a strike team enters the Defeo House. Each of the Defeo family members' lifeless bodies are repositioned in their beds and then shot with butchers rifle. Butch was incapacitated through the walls of his home so he could be left alive to become the patsy and take the fall for the murders.
Starting point is 00:28:41 So many holes in this theory, and I'm not even talking about the ones who debodied the Defeo family. Hey, oh, sorry about that. Just laid out that way. If after the energy beam, you're, if after the energy beam, like you're going to shoot everybody with what, like, why shoot them in that weird face down arrangement? Like, like, hold on, let me get you shot everybody with energy beams. But then instead of like making it look like a real crime scene of like bodies turning out in different positions and people trying to escape or defend themselves, you just, you lay them face down in their beds and have like the one weird bullet hole through most of their
Starting point is 00:29:13 backs. Why, why, you've had months to put this, you've been hold up in the England house for months with your other secret energy beam co-workers. You think they would be able to, you know, put a little better plan together. Just, all right, team. It's the moment we've all been waiting for. We've killed the defails except for butch with the energy beam. Not sure why we couldn't have done that on night one, but you know what? Whatever.
Starting point is 00:29:35 That's coming from up top. That's what the big boss wanted. He wanted us to watch him for a few months first. I don't make those decisions. Now, let's get in. Let's make this look like butch did it all. Let's make it look like everyone was sleeping in the exact same Face down position like families often do and that no one was awoken by the sounds of other family members being shot. Let's make it look very natural
Starting point is 00:29:57 And then it gets even weirder as payment for reading amityville of the defails the town of amityville would lure an unsuspecting for ridding Amityville of the defails, the town of Amityville would lure an unsuspecting family to the former defail residents. What? So the town of almost 10,000 people is having a meeting. We're like, all right, everybody, thanks for showing up at the Amityville meeting. Good news is the government mafia used the energy beam to read us to rid us of the defails. Bad news is that we have to pay back and we have to do that by luring an unsuspecting family to the defail residents so they can experiment more with some energy weapons.
Starting point is 00:30:26 And then one guy was probably just like, well, why do we have a lura? Well, I can't just drive the price of the house and have just someone buy it. And I'm like a regular thing people do. Because lura is cooler, Mr. Baldwin. Now shut the fuck up and take your family to Massa Piqua. And then high tech harassment says,
Starting point is 00:30:43 I told you we're gonna walk this whole thing. A family with the last name of luts would purchase the defail residents. The government mafia would use classified sonic harassment technology against the luts family to trick them into believing they were living in a haunted house. The luts family believing a supernatural force inhabited their home decides to abandon their new home after only 20 days. What is the point of that? Unreal. Sonic harassment.
Starting point is 00:31:11 Why would anyone develop that? Mr. President, we finished the secret killer energy beam that can shoot through walls. Excellent. But what about my Sonic harassment beam that can make people, you know, very uncomfortable or believe weird things or irritated and stuff. Mr. President, I'm not sure I understand why we would also need, I don't need you to understand random weapon scientists person. I need you to get my goddamn harassment beam developed. And then the video goes into a bunch of pictures of the murder scene, describing
Starting point is 00:31:45 the official report of each being killed by a shot or two shots in the back, each laying in the bed. And then there's like this video of someone shooting a 35 Marlon rifle to show how loud it is. And then on the screen it says, this is a military directed energy weapon that fires an invisible beam of energy that can harass and capacitate or murder a person through the walls of their house. And the image that follows may be laughed so hard. It's like this discovery channel footage of soldiers standing behind some sort of cannon with the most low budget CGI energy wave shooting out of it just added in post.
Starting point is 00:32:18 It's so bad. It's like early, you know, Nintendo graphics bat. We're sonat. It's Atari. It's Atari graphics. And then it talks about how these directed energy weapons are the ultimate weapons. And then it says the following illustration shows
Starting point is 00:32:31 how a directed energy weapon located inside a house can be used to attack a person inside a neighboring house. Now I would kind of expect some kind of equations or something, make it look fancy at least. Now it's a super shitty drawing of two houses, but the kind that you can do in like two minutes, where you just draw a triangle for the roof and you set that on top of a rectangle for the house.
Starting point is 00:32:51 Like I was doing those, I was a little kid. And you just have a horizontal line by setting the rectangle to divide it into downstairs and upstairs and then a couple little vertical lines to divide it into a few rooms. And then they just have like a shitty looking parallelogram that's supposed to be the energy gun and a straight blue line going through the wall of the first house from downstairs
Starting point is 00:33:09 to up the second floor of the other house going through that wall and then quickly like ending into like the outline of a bed. And that's it. That's that's exhibit A. That's the big illustration. And eight year old could have drawn that whole thing and drawn it better in a few minutes tops. And then it says these directed energy weapons create no physical evidence of their use, no marks on the human body or damage to the structure of the house will result after an attack.
Starting point is 00:33:33 And then, what is the Amityville saga really about? The town of Amityville feared the Defeo family, and offered them to the government mafia, to be used as guinea pigs for testing classified lethal directed energy weapons. The Lutz family was in the wrong place at the wrong time, only to become guinea pigs for testing, classified, non-lethal weapons, and other harassment technology. This is one of the most, and this is one of the most wonderfully specific and sane theories I've come across, like for someone to build this video, to think this out, it's such focused and detailed madness. It's a work of insane art.
Starting point is 00:34:12 And to the internet's credit, most people just made fun of it in the comments, almost everyone, but there's a YouTuber. There's Scott Tomlinson, the one man who watched this and agreed with high-tech harassment saying, if you blind morons all caps, back to lowercase, don't think that the US government has the technology and the balls to do something like this. You are all blind.
Starting point is 00:34:37 Duh, duh, duh, very blind. Come on, go back to sleep, period. I am blind, Scott. I am blinded by your utter and complete fucking goblet gook, blinded by the flap doodle, the poppycock, the hocombe, the fooey, the Tommy Rodmalarkey of the idiots of the internet. It is the internet. Okay, so what do we know so far about Amityville? We know that the murder crime scene at Amityville
Starting point is 00:35:07 was very peculiar. We know that Butch De Faeo was a line to generate, who at the very least was heavily involved in Killian's entire family. We know that, you know, one of the many reasons to Faeo gave for Killian's family in court was he heard voices in the house. We know a psychiatrist ruled he was not in fact delusional.
Starting point is 00:35:21 But what went on in the property before the De Faeo was lived there? Did others die him as seriously in that house? went on in the property before the defaos lived there? Did others die mysteriously in that house? I listened to the audiobook of the Amidivil Horror and author Jay Anson states that every family that ever lived there had some horrific, something terrific happen there. There was other killings that occurred inside the house. Well, that doesn't seem to be true. I had a hell of a time finding a detailed history of the house, not sure at nonsense,
Starting point is 00:35:41 say, shall I as one exists? Do not buy Jay Anson's claims there at all. I did find some info on the website, the amityvillamertors.com, which has no footnotes. So, I don't know exactly what they got their info, but let's assume they did find some stuff out. And I do think they're probably fairly correct, because it's not craziness, it's pretty just mundane stuff.
Starting point is 00:36:01 You know, they say, a man who lived in the neighborhood for decades completely refuted Tansson's claim about the past, as you knew, several families who lived there before the defails, they say, man, who lived in the neighborhood for decades, completely refuted Tansen's claim about the past as you knew several families who lived there before the defails, nothing happened to him, nothing weird, nothing horrible has happened to anyone since the lots have moved out either. And there's quite a few articles about that. Jayanson claimed that the home was built in some sort of Indian burial grounds slash place where the tribes would send like troubled tribe members, mental yield members to maybe to die alone. And that appears to be bullshit Local tribes completely refute this
Starting point is 00:36:28 Mr. Anson also claimed that a witch named John catch him lived on the property in the 1600s. That's also in the movie I guess which makes sense was based on the book genealogy records Don't show anyone by that name ever living in that area at the time and after the Salem witch trial episode You know not only convinced that Puritan witches were people who were dabbled to witchcraft anyway, right? Until the beginning of the 20th century, the property was part of some farmland. And then a home was built in 1925. John and Catherine Monayhan lived there until they died peacefully.
Starting point is 00:36:56 Their daughter then lived there until 1960. When John and Mary Riley bought the house, lived there until they divorced in 1965. And then the defaos bought it and lived there until the government mafia secret energy beamed them, you know, to death in 1974. So other than the defao murders and the alleged haunting of the luts as it followed, nothing sinister has gone in that house. March 18th, 1977, Jim and Barbara Cromardi purchased the home from the bank after the luts has left. They lived there happily until 1987. They sold the
Starting point is 00:37:25 home never reporting anything supernatural. Another couple, Peter and Jeannie O'Neill lived there in or Jan, excuse me, Jeannie I think until 1977 selling the home to help pay for the kids college tuition. Amanda and Brian Wilson lived there until 2010. David and Carolyn, Deantoneo, about the house. And then they sold it to some other assholes last year and nothing notable has occurred. The house sold for around 850,000 of the cures. However, if you are a paranormal believer, there could be an explanation for why nothing happened after the luts has moved out. So, so here this, check this out. Two months after the luts has moved out reporter Laura Didio assembled a group of psychic researchers to evaluate the family's claims. The investigator spent a night in the house walking from room to room,
Starting point is 00:38:06 trying to pick up ghostly vibrations. It was like a psychic slumber party. Did you remember? One of the researchers, Lorraine Warren, remembers an overwhelming feeling of horrible depression in the house. You may recognize the name Lorraine Warren. If you're a horror movie fan, she and her husband Ed were paranormal investigators self described demonologists whose lives would inspire the conjuring movie franchise. You know, supposedly their home in Rhode
Starting point is 00:38:28 Island was haunted before and then they would investigate numerous other hauntings afterwards such as Amityville and Annabelle, you know, the supposedly haunted doll that inspired another horror movie franchise. The paranormal team took a series of time-lapse photos of the upstairs landing. None of the photographs showed anything out of the ordinary, except one, which had what didio describes as the face of what appeared to be a little boy, peering out from one of the bedrooms. And then this team, in addition to investigating
Starting point is 00:38:53 the paranormal activity, also exercised the home itself. So if you believe in the power of exorcism, you know, that could explain why nothing happened to future residents, right? Maybe they got the demons out of there. And maybe nothing happened to previous residents because the murders are what set the horrors and motion for the Lutz family,
Starting point is 00:39:08 or perhaps some evil spirit settled into the house shortly before the murders happened. Perhaps Bush to fail himself brought him in the house. You know, maybe he was possessed, brought some entity in. And maybe that's all bullshit. I don't know, it's all up for interpretation, I guess. Now, if you want to know more about this team, there's a documentary called My Amityville Horror.
Starting point is 00:39:24 It's Daniel Lutz, one of the kids who was in the home after the murder's talking about what he saw in the early 40 years later. Interesting stuff. Could Daniel be lying about claiming to see the various paranormal stuff he talks about the movie? Yeah, sure, he's a little odd. You know, but it's his story, none of us were there,
Starting point is 00:39:37 and you can either believe him or not. Now before we tell the tale of what the Lutz's claim happened to them, let's get a few more critiques out of the way, such as the one that the Lutzes conspired with a defense attorney for Bush to fail to make up the story, to profit from it. So yeah, the defense attorney of Bush to fail, sorry, to make up the story to profit from it.
Starting point is 00:39:56 So this story, this angle is that Bush to fail in his lawyer William Weber claimed that Weber met with the Lutzes who were in a lot of financial trouble and he met with them to write a book based on the haunting or a haunting and made the whole thing up. The Amityville story does take place shortly after the exorcist. That movie, the exorcist came out in 1973 and was a records-matching box office success, it was a cultural phenomenon. Demons possessing people in modern America and Catholic priests having to exercise those
Starting point is 00:40:22 demons are on people's brains. It's in the zeitgeist. You know, you have to acknowledge that. It's for Butch and William, though. Why should we believe the words of a family killer and a known liar and the line family killers lawyer over this Lutz family? And why would the attorney for Buch DeFaio meet up with the Lutz's anyway? That makes no sense to me. Just, hello, can I come in?
Starting point is 00:40:43 Who am I? I'm the defense attorney for the guy who killed his family in this very house a year or so ago. And I was just thinking, like, come in, we can have some drinks, we can make up a ghost story, we can try and get it made into a book, and you know, we can make a show a little money. Sound good?
Starting point is 00:40:58 That seems absolutely preposterous to me. We implained to you wanted to interview the lots as after they moved out because he had heard that they heard voices while in the house But didn't hear them any longer after they left he thought he could use that information to maybe file another appeal for butch to fail And then after talking about it with the family and you know and the family tell them nothing actually happened to them Then they kind of over drinks hatched this idea to pretend the house was haunted to profit from it And I just don't fucking buy it. You know, why would the luts family claim to everyone else that, you know, they'd been attacked by evil spirits
Starting point is 00:41:27 and then suddenly tell this lawyer that they made it up and and I don't know, why would they make it up with him? Like he seems like a huge putt, you know, here in Voices was one of a butcher's many, many excuses for the murders and the court had already shut the defense down. You know, it just seems weird that he would show up to talk to the defaos about helping your client and then leave conspiring to lie about a haunting to tell a book that none of you have the ability to write and none of you know is going to be successful. A book was written
Starting point is 00:41:53 about the Ordeal obviously and I've already established it was a huge success but you can't know that in advance. If it was that easy to make a bunch of money, if you could just make up a story about a haunted house, people would be doing a fucking left and right. And maybe they are doing a lab but it doesn't become popular very often. Yeah, so they couldn't have known that it would just become this wildly profitable cultural phenomenon. So I don't buy that angle. The logic behind the lots is making up the story for profit.
Starting point is 00:42:17 It's tough for me too, because, you know, they walked away from a house that they had just bought. So they lost a lot of money on that. You know, they're fucking destroyed. They're credit. They walked away from most of their possessions, that's most of possessions in the house. Really, and they did all of that just on a chance that maybe they'd make a bunch of money later. I don't buy that. I don't buy that. They don't have
Starting point is 00:42:37 like a history of running cons before they're anything, you know, that just, that just seems very, very unlikely to me. You know, if your family have five, they've got kids too. You just walk in walking away and putting them self-not-kind of position to maybe make money. Nah. And then there's the matter of the priest, the priest involved in all this, this priest who claimed to hear a voice
Starting point is 00:42:52 famously telling him to get out. That was Father Ralph Pecoraro. Now in the book, in the original 1979 film, The Amityville Horror, there is a priest, he's probably the remakes to his heavenly knows. It's Father Mancuso in the films and in the book, Father Pecararo in real life, I guess, supposedly. He comes from, he comes over to cleanse the house. You know, here's voices. They get strangely ill, fears for the lives
Starting point is 00:43:15 and souls of the Lutz family or Duzzi. You know, New's Day, Long Island, New's paper, interviewed Piccaro, but Pecararo. I want to, I want to cut that one still about his name. After the story broke and father met Kusso, who news day said was, you know, Ralph J. Pecararo told the newspaper that he had known Kathy during her first marriage and had instructed George a Methodist since converted to Catholicism before their marriage. But he says he had never been near the house at 112 Ocean Avenue and had referred the couple to a local parish priest to whom they never went. He also denied that his own quarters at Rockville Center were overwhelmed by the smell of
Starting point is 00:43:48 ex-excoment, supposedly a satanic sign and claim made in the book, added that his colleagues had made that into a joke. George Lutz responded to this in a Washington Post article in 1979 saying, people say all sorts things about the priest, that he's no longer a priest. Now he's a rabbi, that he's in Europe. That he was excommunicated. But he never back down. Kathy Lutz added that the family remains very much in touch with this priest.
Starting point is 00:44:11 And George asked whether he recognizes the name Pecararo said, Newsday says a lot of things. As far as we're concerned, he's Father Mancuso. There were a number of priests involved who will never be told about. Also a rabbi. All right, so the lutz says one thing in the priest as another. You know, you might think like why would this priest lie?
Starting point is 00:44:28 Well, you know, why would the Catholic Church cover this up? Well, the Catholic Church and priests do have a little history of coverage up. Let's acknowledge that. You know, they can cover up a worldwide pedophile scandal for centuries. You know, they can sweep a little haunt under the rug if they have some random motive that we don't understand. So it's a he said priest said, you know, kind can sweep a little haunt in order to rug if they have some random motive that we don't understand. So it's a he said pre said, you know, kind of a situation here.
Starting point is 00:44:49 All right, so final conclusions, you know, kind of before the story. And there's a lot of other people who claim the lots of lies, local residents, the neighbors in Long Island, being among them. But these are the same residents and neighbors who somehow didn't hear eight rifle shots
Starting point is 00:44:59 in the home in the middle of the night. You know, there are discrepancies in the supposedly true book and the supposedly true movies. However, none of that explains the super, super weird position of the defail corpses. Does it? I mean, that still creeps me out every time I think about it. Can't get those crime scene photos on my head. And then there's this in June 1979, George and Kathy Lutz took a polygraph test relating to their experiences in the Amity Villal House. The polygraph test were performed by Chris Gugas, Michael Rice, who at the time were reportedly
Starting point is 00:45:25 among the top five polygraph administrators in America. The results in Mr. Rice's opinion did not indicate line. Now, polygraph tests are not 100% reliable. There's no magic truth serum out there. But in this case, the results indicate that there is a very, very, very good chance that George and Kathy Lutz at least believe they saw what they claimed to have seen there. And the Lutz kids, at least those who have come forward recently still believe one of the
Starting point is 00:45:52 Lutz children Christopher who would move to Phoenix and change his last name to his birth father's name, Quaratino revealed to the Phoenix new times in 2011 that he remains convinced that an evil presence stuck to family in the Amityville House. He believes his stepfather, George Lutz, invited demonic forces into the home through his gambling in the occult. Another rumor that floats around online. And when you watch the Miamiville horror,
Starting point is 00:46:14 it's his documentary with Daniel Lutz. Daniel Lutz clearly seems to still believe his family was attacked by demonic forces. So now you've heard the bulk of the main arguments against the Lutz's story. And you've heard the strange circumstances that can't be explained surrounding the story. So now let's suck into a good old-fashioned ghost story.
Starting point is 00:46:28 Believe it or not, this is one family's story and if you're a skeptic, I just encourage you to allow your mind to go to that place of, what if this did happen? What if they didn't make this up? How terrifying would it be to be terrorized in the very place you're supposed to feel the most safe? You know your own home. Let us hit some of the highlights of this story and march to the 28-day time sub-timeline of the Amityville Horror.
Starting point is 00:46:51 Shrap on those boots, soldier. We're marching down a time-sub-timeline. Day 1. George and Kathy Lutz move into their new home at 112 Ocean Avenue in Amityville Long Island, New York, with Kathy's three kids from her previous marriage, Daniel 9, Christopher 7, and Melissa aka Missy 5, and the family dog, Bo Jangles! Three-legged, one-eyed pit bull ready to take on some house-possessing demons and send them back to hell, ready to punch their dark, dark overlord Lucifina right in her devil titties ready to speedbag those satanic mammaries and protect those putzlutses no of course the dog was not but jangles it was a black lab named Harry
Starting point is 00:47:35 they did have a dog and Harry moved to Amityville with his family on December 18th 1975 they moved into a three-story five bedroom Dutch colonial home on a 50-foot by 237 foot lot with a heated swimming pool and a boat house near the end of the Amnivill River leading to South Oyster Bay. And they got it for a bargain price of 80,000 less than half of what its market value was. I'd been vacant for just over a year and I got to say after hearing that, I might take a chance as well.
Starting point is 00:48:00 That's a hell of a place. It was cold today. They moved in. They ride about 1 p.m. Five of Georgia's employees were there to help them unload their possessions from well, that's a hell of a place. It was cold today. They moved in. They ride about 1 p.m. five of Georgia's employees were there to help them unload their possessions from moving truck, get a land surveyor business and George quickly got the fireplace working and stoked it with some wood and getting them all warmed up. George and Kathy knew the defaillot murders,
Starting point is 00:48:19 knew that's why they'd gotten a deal in the house, but claim not to care, claim not to be superstitious people. Local priest, father Frank Mankuso, came over a short time later to cleanse the home, according to the lexes, but I gotta stop saying that. He knew, of course, that the devale murders. When he entered the home and flipped the first sprinkles of holy water to cleanse the home, he heard a menacing masculine voice speak to him from the home with terrifying clarity saying, get out. The command came from behind him, but when he twirled around, nothing was there. He then finished his cleansing and left, not telling the
Starting point is 00:48:51 luts his what he'd hurt. I don't know, maybe thought I was just cracking up a bit. Later that day, when he returned to his rectory, Father Mancuso noticed dark circles that had suddenly formed under his eyes and he felt ill. On the way home from his rectory that night, Father Mancuso said his car malfunctioned and steered itself off the road onto the shoulder. Shortly after that, the hood suddenly flew open and smashed against the windshield and the right door also flew open. The engine died. Head to have another priest drive him home. Back at the Amityville House, Harry the dog tried jumping over a fence and he only hanged himself. Harry's all right, but he's no bull jangles. Bull jangles wouldn't have done that.
Starting point is 00:49:26 How long has Leish was he figured out how to get out of it. But anyways, George raced over, saved a choking dog, readjusted the leash so he couldn't reach the fence again. Day two. December 19th. First night in the Amityville house, George sits up in the middle of the night after hearing a knock at the door. It's 3.15 a.m. in the morning.
Starting point is 00:49:41 He hears more knocks but can't tell where it's coming from. Finally, he can tell it's coming from the boat house. Looking down from the window he can see a shadowy figure near Harry and his cane on compound. Harry starts barking, thinking of cat as a bother to Harry. George heads outside, finds the boat house door a jar. No cat, no other source to shadows. He locks the boat house door, goes back to bed. The next day no matter how much wood George adds to the fire, he just can't feel warm.
Starting point is 00:50:05 Day three. December 20th, 315 AM George wakes up again. He feels compelled to check the boat house door again. It's locked. He goes back to bed for the second day in a row. George doesn't shave for shower. Something he always did daily before the house is still freezing. Day four, December 21st, 315 AM. Same check of the boat house door for George. That day, both George and Kathy are in terrible moods. George continues, not to shower or shave. The kids are beginning to drive him insane. He used to be an extremely patient stepfather.
Starting point is 00:50:35 He's snapping easily now. So is Kathy. She snapped at the kids. They feel like they're unruly brat suddenly who won't listen. During their fourth night in the house, George and Kathy beat the kids. Pretty severely with a leather strap and a wooden spoon for cracking a pain of glass in the playrooms half room window. Neither had ever beaten the kids like this before. Half moon window. I think it's a half room, half moon window.
Starting point is 00:50:58 The day five, December 22nd, same 315 AM routine for George. The weather plummet's outside the eight degrees. George is still obsessed with the fire, not showering, not shaving, not going to work. He ran a small land surveying company. Business was slow, but it was still odd for George not to go into work at all. Kathy is not left the house at all, very unlike her. And then during this fifth day, Kathy feels some unseen force toucher. The kitchen. Feels like a woman's soft hand rests on top of her own. A mother's touch, both startling and oddly reassuring. The kids show their mom, the upstairs toilet this day. The inside of the bowl was covered in some black stains,
Starting point is 00:51:34 some strange black stainless. Looks like it had been painted black all inside the bowl. Couldn't flush the black away, couldn't rub it away, couldn't scrub it away. Cassie smelled a strange perfume in the bedroom that day as well. The master bedroom, the toilet also turned black and the room was overcome with the powerful rotten stench. Also on day five, the family discovers a large swarm of flies in the sewing room clustered
Starting point is 00:51:54 around the window facing the boat house hundreds of flies. They opened the window. Oh, Jesus Christ. I'm going to keep that in there, I'm ready. My water just kicked on in the middle of this ghost stuff, which is scared to shit out of me. I was talking about all these flies, this window. Then there was strange noise above me.
Starting point is 00:52:11 Oh my God, I had a heart attack. Okay, getting into this. So they chased out as many of the flies as they can, they opened the window and then they killed the rest. Man, whoo, man, that really got me. Oh, okay. George still felt cold all the time. No one else in the family seemed to feel the same chill.
Starting point is 00:52:25 George continues to chop firewood and add logs to the fire. A neighbor stops by for the first time on day five as well, bringing in a six pack of beer, comes in, starts talking to the family, many stops suddenly, tells them he brought his beer and he'd take it with him. And he abruptly left him, it was just never seen again. Maybe the weird dude ghost, he's a weird, you know,
Starting point is 00:52:43 beer guy ghost. Well, the hell is he up to? And why was he featured in the movie, and in the book? What does that mean? Why did he leave so soon? You know, did they not seem cool to party with? Did they not seem excited enough about his sweet six pack? Were they supposed to offer him nose candy?
Starting point is 00:52:57 What's going on here? Nothing has to make sense, I guess, when it comes to ghosts. Day six, December 23rd. Kathy wakes up at the middle of the night to find George trying to put the front door to the house back on. It has somehow wakes up at the middle of the night to find George trying to put the front door to the house back on. It had somehow come off at the middle of the night. George explains that the way the door had been busted and come loose, it was as if
Starting point is 00:53:13 someone had been trying to break out of the house, not into it. So they have someone come fix the door that day. He doesn't understand how it broke either. You know, it's a very heavy door. You know, how was it ripped off the hinges and no one was woken up? George is still not showering, shaving or going to work, he becomes obsessed with getting warmer, he's just fucking split in wood all the time. So creepy, just constantly just more firewoods, just keep the fire going, just put some more fire in there kids, just put it more fire, put more wood in the fire, put more fire on the wood, everything, everything we can do to get it hotter.
Starting point is 00:53:41 Put more wood in the fire. Put more fire on the wood, everything. Everything we can do to get it hotter. Missy has made an invisible friend in the house, Jody. Says he's been talking to angels around the house and these angels are talking to her. Despite being two days away from Christmas, Kathy still is not left to house, doing shopping.
Starting point is 00:53:56 She doesn't know why, but she doesn't care. She doesn't want to leave the house. Boys getting into a physical fight that day, which is I guess was weird for them. They'd never followed that before. I don't know, maybe they go trying to toughen them up a little bit. Thought they were too soft Crucifix, Cassie to hung in the home was found turned upside down Strange smells continued to plague the home
Starting point is 00:54:14 Day seven December 24th, Christmassy father and Kusos been battling the strange illness since he stepped into the animal Amityville house a week earlier has it has a fever of 104 He's worrying about the family, especially about the sewing room Something's not right about that room. Something's not right about the house Now he's still he still thinks there was a voice telling him to get out Doesn't think it was just his mind the family sets up Christmas tree Decorates it with their ornaments George continues to neglect his job father man Kusil calls the family Speaks with George asking about the sewing room on the second floor. George tells the priest about the hundreds of houseflies
Starting point is 00:54:45 that had been there two days earlier. Father Mancuso tells him to stay out of that room. And then the phone connection turns to static. And I just got chills. I don't even necessarily believe this story, but it creeps me out. So Father Mancuso tries calling him back. Here's the phone ring.
Starting point is 00:54:59 George waits for Father Mancuso to call him back, but here's nothing on his end. Weird shit happened in Amityville. Damn, meddlesome ghosts. They wanna kill ya, but they will spook ya. No ya, they'll do a bunch of annoying stuff. Strange entities, these ghosts, you know, just should we kill their family? No, I have a way scarier idea.
Starting point is 00:55:19 Let's not let them finish their phone calls and make the toilet dirty and put a bunch of flies in the house. That's much scarier than death. Is it? Cassie's parents, brother Jimmy, came over to the visit and we're startled by George's appearance. He doesn't look well.
Starting point is 00:55:38 And then he just starts openly masturbating in front of the family, just front everybody, just inside his Swiss pants. He doesn't give a shit. Oh, no, wait, that was, wait, that was Monday. That was Monday's episode, that was Chickatilo. Never mind, never mind.
Starting point is 00:55:49 I wasn't doing that, but he did look insane. George had a shower or shave still, it's not combing his hair. He's going for that hobo chic. Flies came back on day seven. George continues to worry that the boat house door is unlocked. He's, you know, if he's not obsessed about the fire, he's obsessed about the goddamn boat house.
Starting point is 00:56:03 Tell you what he's not obsessed about at all is hygiene. All right, day eight, December 25th, Christmas day. George continues to sit up and bet at 315 AM. Continues to check the boat house door like a maniac. This time once outside, he looks back at the house and sees Missy standing in her bedroom window, looking down on him in the middle of the night. This little girl behind her. He sees the clear face of a pig. Yeah, a pig. What the fuck? This detail was in the movie as well. It's through me in the movie, you know?
Starting point is 00:56:31 I think I kind of was like half-painted attention for a second, all of a sudden there's a pig in the window. I'm like, what? So weird. And it's the kind of thing that makes me think that maybe there really is something to this. Because it's such an odd and specific detail to add to the story.
Starting point is 00:56:41 Like if you're making up a haunted house story, why would you need to say, you saw a demon face behind Missy, you know, say you saw the face of one of the defaill family members that was killed. You know, why a pig? Even a goat is scary, even a cat's scary that a pig. But the pig did have red eyes. So that's scary. There's a red eye demon pig. So scary and strange. When George sees he runs into the house, runs up to Missy's room with a girl sound asleep in her bed, sees a rocking chair in her room,
Starting point is 00:57:06 slowly rocking back and forth on its own, that would freak me to fuck out. Red eyes in a window from some devil pig, and then you run up there, and a chair's moving on its own. All right, everybody get in the car, we're out. We are leaving right now. We are out of here forever now.
Starting point is 00:57:22 You know, how do you, oh my God, Penny just scared the shit out of my dog. We're gonna work up over here recording you guys. I saw weird shadows on my desk because I was saying that and I was about to squeal. You about heard me squeal and run. And then I noticed that my dog, Penny, was just under there.
Starting point is 00:57:37 My little mini-bojangles, God damn, I'm scared. The shit out of me. All right, I'm recording this late at night, by the way. Let's probably add it to my spook. Late at night, I'm facing the wall. I have no idea what's behind me. All right, I'm recording this late at night, by the way. Let's probably add it to my spook. Late at night, I'm facing the wall. I have no idea what's behind me. But when you see that stuff, how do you at least not go to the bank and try to get your money back and move something? Try to get out of there. Father Mancuso is still worrying about the luts. He still can get his fever to break. Kathy finally does a little Christmas
Starting point is 00:58:00 shoppin' on Christmas day. You know, right at the right of the wire. George continues to obsess over the fire, not shower, not shave, look super gross. Missy continues to talk about her friend, Jodie, the pig, who she reveals reveals to her brother, Danny, is a pig. They're all getting used to this new normal, I guess. Kathy, here's Missy talking to Jodie in a room that evening. She tells her mom about a pig friend and Kathy's now starting to worry about her daughter quite a bit.
Starting point is 00:58:23 Day nine, December 26, George continues his strange 315 AM routine. He also notices his dog Harry getting more and more lethargic. He used to always wake up when George came outside or when he heard and he strange noise at night. Now he seems to be sleeping harder than ever. You know, harder and harder each night. Sleeping through George's loudly, checking the lock on the door.
Starting point is 00:58:42 George gets nauseous this night. He's sick the next morning as well. Diarrhea, all kinds of stomach problems. Kathy's brother, Jimmy, is getting married this day. Who gets married in December, December 26th, by the way? The day after Christmas, it thinks for ruining everyone's holiday break, Dick. You know, we're hoping to stay home,
Starting point is 00:58:58 have leftovers, take a nap, you know, relax. Now we got your stupid wedding to go to. Why can't you wait until summer? And ruin someone's random weekend, like a normal person. Kathy is touched in the kitchen again by some unseen entity. She smells a strange perfume. She'd smelled in her bedroom for days earlier. She feels a woman touch her waist.
Starting point is 00:59:13 Then the sweet smell becomes heavy and thick. And she tries to pull away from the presence and the spirit grabs her heart painfully. She feels a hand grab her shoulder. And then just like that, it's gone. And she starts to cry. Missy comes in and tells her mom that, Jody says you shouldn't cry,
Starting point is 00:59:27 and everything will be all right soon. Yeah, don't worry, mom. My red eye demon pig, buddy. Jody says everything is kosher. Don't even worry about Ghost Grabbing you in the kitchen, mom. Demon pig says it's normal. Jimmy came to pick up a sister, brother-in-law, who'd be his best man, and niece,
Starting point is 00:59:43 and nephew just takes them to the wedding. That's weird too, man. Why are you having the groom pick up your entire family to take you to his wedding? You have a car? But I can, none of these people understand how weddings work. Jimmy has $1500 in cash to pay the caterer that night and his jacket side pocket. And then when they begin to leave, the money's gone. And the money would never be found. And this is a weird detail, kind of like the pig. Like why would a ghost deal cash? And how was that scary? I feel like I need to add, even if the haunting story is true,
Starting point is 01:00:10 George, who was having money problems, you know, I feel like he tried to pass off Pilfer in 1500 bucks off his brother-in-law on the ghosts. I just don't see in any situation the ghosts have anything to do with that. Just damn these ghosts showing up in their windows with the red demon pig eyes. Waking me up every morning at 315 a.m. and grabbing my wife in the kitchen and taking that, you
Starting point is 01:00:30 know, taking that $1500 from that jacket I was standing nearby. God, fuck ghosts. Day 10 December 27th and early morning hours of the Jimmy's wedding reception, Kathy and George have sex for the first time since they had moved into Smite. George not showering or shaving. And then Kathy has a dream tonight about the defaio mom also having sex in that same room, but not with her husband. Later she'd learned that Louise defaio had an affair in that house.
Starting point is 01:00:54 And I'm sure she thought to herself that if George doesn't shower some time in the next few weeks, I might have to have an affair as well. You know, she won't even care what the dude looks like as long as he's clean. Just wants a clean ween. Just wants a clean ween in her life. That afternoon, Kathy's aunt Teresa comes over to visit.
Starting point is 01:01:10 She'd been a nut at one point, but was now the mother of three kids. I can't cry myself up with clean, ween thing. All right. She took a little tour of the home, but a stopped the second floor sewing room, saying she wouldn't go in there or face turn pale. She backed away from the room. The room was was ice cold much colder than the rest of the house Theresa also wouldn't go into the children's play room on the third floor saying it was a bad place And then less than 30 minutes after arriving and Theresa just arrives the fuck on back out of the house
Starting point is 01:01:37 Tells Kathy that something is wrong, you know boy from down the street names Bobby He comes over to play with Danny and Chris Head Day, never takes off his coat even. Leaves soon after arriving, never returns. Also on the 10th day, George discovers a secret door in the basement and finds a small room with concrete block walls painted a solid red. You can find a video of this little hidden room. It's like a little kind of closety room next to a basement pantry.
Starting point is 01:01:58 It's on YouTube, not scary by itself, but it would freak me out with everything else going on, for sure. George also would say later that he saw an image of Ronnie DeFail's face floating around in the red room when he turned the basement light off. Super creepy. Uh, okay. Man, uh, day 11. December 28th, father of Mancuso still ill.
Starting point is 01:02:16 George meant a coworker at a bar not far from his news house. It was the same bar that Butch had gone to after killing his family and he's still unshaving and filthy. George apparently looks a lot like butch did. To the point that the bartender dropped his glass when he saw him. Georgia's coworker was also worried about George and the business and they talked.
Starting point is 01:02:32 And he'd worried that, you know, Georgia's looking good. And he's not doing any payroll. And that's not good. All right, day 12, December 29th, Georgia wakes up with a cut over his eye and a bum ankle. He thought he'd fallen during the night when he got up to check the boat house and stoked to fire some more. ankle. He thought he'd fallen during the night when he got up
Starting point is 01:02:45 to check the boat house and stoked to fire some more. At least he thought he did, you know, again, but Kathy noticed distinct teeth marks on his ankle. Like, what the fuck can fit him? What happened? And, you know, he can't keep going, just not going into work. You know, today he goes in, he has to meet someone
Starting point is 01:02:58 over some tax auditing issues. And it was the first time he counted the office that's moved in the Amityville house when employees asked where he'd been, told him it'd been sick. Kathy hears noises from the sewing room this day. She goes upstairs, finds the door closed, notices that missing the boys are playing in the rooms. What the hell is in that room? You know, a cat. Kathy is too scared to look. She goes and lays in bed. George finds some details that the fail murders this day does a little bit of research. And
Starting point is 01:03:24 for the first time realizes the death Time of death for the defaos was estimated to be in 315 a.m And he's been waking up at 315 a.m. Every night. How do you not fucking again be like all right get in the car everybody we're out of here Father Mancuso is still too sick to come and check on the loves family and now he also has a painful red rations palms Day 13 December 30th Cassie tells George that someone had touched her in the kitchen a few days earlier. She tells him there's definitely something wrong with their new home. Yeah, you think? December 31st, 1975, day 14, New Year's Eve, George wakes up at 2.30am,
Starting point is 01:03:59 that's at 3.15. I don't know, wakes up at 4am too. He's feeling financially stressed out. He has a lot of tax money at work. New jobs are coming in. He starts fantasizing about money finding it around the house. He heard that Faye was well off. Maybe to hit money around the house. Maybe to hit money at the boat house. Maybe that was why he felt drawn into the boat house. And I'm thinking he takes a shower around this time. They only shower because they don't keep harping about that in the book. So, you know, clean yourself up a little bit. Tending Chris threaten to run away from the home after Kathy finds them fighting in their rooms. She finds Missy Washington with a grin on her face
Starting point is 01:04:32 like a devilish grin. The kids behavior continues to become more quarrelsome. Missy starts talking to Jody, you know, flies are fucking buzz around the sewing room. Father Man Kuso's rash on his hands has turned into some kind of stigmodal-like wound it both hands day 15 January 1st 1976 new year Samo spooky shit, Amityville George and Kathy wake up around 1 a.m. To find their bedroom window open cold wind blown into the house Checking the rest of the house they find their doors and windows open around the house the whole house is cold Except for Missy's bedroom, which is hot as a and a little rock and chair moving back and forth on its own. With George walked into Missy's room he notices the moving chair steps towards it and it stops rocking immediately and he shit himself. No that would be me. That would be me in that situation. George tells Kathy to take Missy who is sleeping downstairs.
Starting point is 01:05:21 She does and George runs upstairs to check on the boys on the third floor. They're sleeping. They're okay. Next day, George goes into work, check on his business to find that the business is crumbling. Or you know, like, I'm sorry, I guess it'd be that day, you know, later after that middle of the night, his life is falling apart. His business is going bankrupt. Something strange is happening in his house. Kathy feels the presence of the kitchen again. Smills a strange perfume again. Tries calling father meant Q so again But feeling like the entity is near her. She drops the phone and just runs from the room that night after turning off the lights to go to bed Kathy sees unblinking red eyes outside the living room window staring back at her She screams fuck of course she does George looks outside sees him too when he turns the light on runs outside
Starting point is 01:06:00 There's nothing there and I have chills again damn it Day 16 January 2 George wakes up to find the door of the garage, nearly ripped off from its metal frame. How could this happen, not wake up anyone in the house? And who could do this? What could do this? He doesn't have time to find out. He's got to go to work, try and save his business
Starting point is 01:06:17 because bankrupt none of these other problems matter. Later that day, the kitchen entity, reeking of perfume, grabs Kathy yet again. And then this time, second spirit grabs her as well. They start having some kind of, you know, poltergeist tug of war. Start fighting for control over. She's the human meat and the demon sandwich. Never a good spot to be, man. Hate it when I'm the meat and the demon sandwich.
Starting point is 01:06:38 Then she passes out, wakes up later on the kitchen floor. George stops at a local Amityville bar and his way home from work ends up talking to a bartender about his house. The bartender tells him he used to have nightmares about that house. Says he used to have dreams, some strange group of people in the hoods used to sacrifice dogs and pigs in some room on the second floor. George immediately thinks of the sewing room, the flies, Jody the pig. When he gets home, George and Kathy come to the conclusion that it's something sinister. Something paranormal is going on in their house. They want father-man Kusota to come check it.
Starting point is 01:07:08 But he's too ill. He speaks to them on the phone until once again, static cuts it off. Day 17. January 3, George notices a horrible stench coming from the basement, red room. He forces his way down into the room, shining his flashlight around it. The stench is so strong, he vomits, has to return upstairs, decides to brick the room up so that no one can enter it again. Yeah, that sounds reasonable. Just, you know, just brick it up, buddy.
Starting point is 01:07:30 Just brick up that stink. Yeah, don't worry about what's causing the smell. Just brick it up, brick it up. The bricks fix smell. It's not like stink and get through some porous brick. George tells Kathy that he wants to bring over to the girlfriend of his coworker, Eric. He's heard that she has experience investigating
Starting point is 01:07:46 haunted houses, he's desperate. That night, a ceramic lion, they had in the sewing room, bears his fangs at both George and Kathy as they walk past the room. Oh, oh, oh, fun times, fun times at Amityville. Day 18, January 4th, George wakes up to here when it sounds like a marching band parading through his living room,
Starting point is 01:08:04 runs downstairs, suddenly the house is totally an eerily silent. Again, weird detail. Demon pig, ghosts, who steals, lose change, and now fucking fan to marching band. Not your typical ghost story details. George runs back upstairs and check out his wife, Kathy finds her sound asleep, a floating in midair. Several feet above her bed, levitating. Daysed, George tells Kathy, she just fell off the bed. When she wakes up after he pulls her back down, he does not tell her about seeing her float there. I don't think I would play that cool.
Starting point is 01:08:32 If I woke up to find my wife levitating, that's when the family gets to hear daddy scream. You know, I am freaking out. Just what the fuck, baby, stop it. Stop floating around like that. You're freaking me out. Quit it. Don't do that anymore. Don't do that anymore.
Starting point is 01:08:43 Less it's sexual. Less it's sexual. You might be able to do some cool sex stuff if you can float. Actually, now that I think about it, George calls father Mancuso again, tells the priest about the smells, the touches, the red eyes, seeing Kathy levitate, etc. Father Mancuso agrees to head over and then a loud, moaning sound comes through the phone line and suddenly father Mancuso feels like he's been slapped in the face. He follows the floor, asks God to give him the strength to return to the Amityville House.
Starting point is 01:09:09 Buddy doesn't. Day 19, January 5th, another priest and father, Mancuso's rectory gets a strange phone call telling him to tell father, Mancuso not to come back to the Amityville House or he'll die. And then that's it. The phone just goes dead. Not surprisingly, father, Mancuso does not come back to the house. While exploring how to cover up the red room in the basement, George discovers moisture and another wall realizes there may be a well underneath his house.
Starting point is 01:09:31 Makes a little mental note about that. And then later he's talking to his friends. You know, the one with the girlfriend when there was the paranormal investigator, you know, the amateur paranormal sleuth. And she tells him that she thinks his spirits are coming from a well. And she tells him that before he tells her that he's found a well. She thinks these wells connect his gateways between the spirit world and our own, you know, looks like he's got to reinforce that well wall now, man. He's got a well wall, reinforced now, he's got stink wall to build, so much wall shit in his life right now.
Starting point is 01:09:59 Day 20, January 6th, the weather turns colder, Kathy and George bring the family dog Harry inside. Missy wants to play with Harry in a room. Harry doesn't want to. And she wants Harry to play with her and Jody and Harry hides under the bed. And when her brother Chris finally opens the door, dog bolts from the room can be convinced to come back there. Day 21 January 8th, George wakes up to find Kathy levitating above their bed again. He grabs her, pulls her back to the bed. She wakes up, she suddenly transforms
Starting point is 01:10:25 in some fucking nine year old hag demon thing. Slava dripping from her toothless mouth, sunken eyes staring back at him, and then he flees the house, never to return. He can put up with a lot of shit, but he's not gonna put up with an ugly wife. It's too much. No, he wouldn't watch his Kathy run over
Starting point is 01:10:40 to the bathroom mirror and scream when she sees herself. There's no hag staring back at her, but she does have dark circles under her eyes. She looks very unwell. George talks to Father Mancus on the phone again and after hearing about the second levitation and transformation into a hag, he tells them he is into that shit. That's the one kink he's willing to leave the priesthood for.
Starting point is 01:10:58 He's been looking for a floating hag. He's been looking for a floating hag for 17 goddamn years. And now he's got it. No, he doesn't, he doesn't do that. He tells him to take the family, leave the house before he gets worse. George tells him, you know, his friend's, Eric, his Eric's girlfriend, Francine, it's coming over.
Starting point is 01:11:15 She's the paranormal lady. Check things out. He wants to see what she finds out. And after the phone call, you know, he shivers, shakes, father-man-cou, so this is, father-man-cou, so she's shivers shakes and sneezes blood into some tissue. Just talking to George seems to have intensified his illness.
Starting point is 01:11:28 Well, Francine comes over and checks out to home that night. She smells strange, odors feels unusual cold spots in the house. She also senses the spirits of an elderly couple in the kitchen who are now lost spirits, she says. She has to be taken to the basement to the red room and to where the well might be. She tells George that something terrible has happened down there. She goes into a trance and then she says that something terrible has happened in this basement. Someone has harmed themselves. Someone has died. The angry spirits in the house needs to be exercised. And she snaps out of her trance and
Starting point is 01:11:57 then she gets a fuck out of the hair. Day 22, January 8th, Kathy's brother Jimmy and his bride carry come over to visit and spend the night because they're idiots Why would you do that if you're hearing about this stuff? Apparently George and Kathy have not been talking much about it. They haven't been they've been downplaying it They don't want they don't think people believe them. So they come over have some drinks and just crash there hang out family fun 11 p.m. Everybody goes to bed at 315 a.m George wakes up to hear Carrie screaming now, runs
Starting point is 01:12:25 downstairs to missy's room, Kathy soon follows. Jimmy was comforting his wife or is comforting his wife in the room, who just said that she had been, she woke up when something touched her foot. She woke up to see what looked like a sick little boy sitting at the foot of her bed, asking her to help him. And then the boy asked her where Missy and Jody were. And then he disappeared. And I got the goddamn chills again.
Starting point is 01:12:48 Kathy ran to check on Missy. It was sleeping in a dressing room. She's totally fine, comfortably sleeping there. George goes, grabs the family crucifix. The one that was turned upside down earlier, and they're stay. He carries it from room to room. And as Kathy recites, the Lord's Prayer,
Starting point is 01:13:03 our Father, who out in heaven, hallowed be thy name, and then a loud voice cuts her off will you stop? And for some reason she and me and Carrie Do not just throw themselves out windows and just cartoonously run away like with a little puff of smoke and everything Day 23 January 9th father man Kusokah's George. Here's about the voice Begs George to take his family leave the house tells. Tells him not to pray to the spirits. Again, either it's only going to piss him off. Kathy tells George she wants to leave that night enough is enough.
Starting point is 01:13:32 And when she tells him George loses this shit, man, he tells her with work falling apart, all they have is this fucking house. And if they walk away from it, it's going to ruin him. He screams at the house. You sons of bitches get out of my house. He throws all the windows open around the house, continues to scream for the spirits to get out. And it sounds, it this sounds crazy to you. Like, well, like why not just leave? It makes total sense to me. I would react the same way. Just bought a house, you know, you got money problems with the business.
Starting point is 01:13:58 You know, I keep saying like, why don't just leave, but really, you know, that's all you got. I'm not walking away and just straight into financial ruin because of a little weird paranormal shit. Well, I don't know. I might have left once I got the levitation. I might have left it that way. Well, maybe the red pig ice, I might have left. But also, I don't know, I might be more afraid
Starting point is 01:14:18 of losing my house than I am a fine-to-goast in it. But don't show up right now if you're a ghost. Day 24, January 10th, Kathy calls her mom and tells her to come over immediately. Kathy wants to show her mom ugly red welts that have just formed. She just woke up and found this trail of them that start just above her pubic hair and just go up to her under her breasts and they feel hot to the touch. Like it was like something and slashed and burned her. Like Kathy's mom, like basically almost burns herself when she touches one Fuck super weird if that happened
Starting point is 01:14:46 Obviously later this same day Danny gets his hand slammed in his bedroom window George runs upstairs. Can't get the window to open. He takes a hammer hits the window It tries to break it reacts like it's suddenly indestructible George curses at the window and suddenly just lifts on his own Kathy screams when she sees Danny's hand His fingers are slam flat, like cartoonishly smushed. George goes to call a doctor, but the line is dead. Of course, it is. He drives Danny to a hospital where the orderly on duty is amazed at the condition of Danny's fingers crushed from the cuticle to the second knuckle down. But X-rays reveal,
Starting point is 01:15:19 they're somehow not broken. He bandages Danny's hands, gives them some pain killers, and then George takes Danny home. Day 25, January 11th, George wakes up early in the morning to realize that a passing storm has shattered several of the home's windows and starts nailing plastic sheets and some old boards over the broken windows to keep the cold air from flowing freely into the house. And also, by the way, hand is fine. The kid's hand is fine. So that's pretty weird. It's magically healed. I said, George, if I someone from a local paranormal investigation to check out his house, The investigator has George take the family dog Harry around the house. See how the dog reacts to various forms rooms of the house. Excuse me. And the dog refuses to go anywhere near that sewing room on the second floor. The creepy fly room
Starting point is 01:15:58 and flies are still showing up periodically and there by the way. Day 26 January 12th George wakes up in the middle of the night screaming I'm coming apart! After having a strange dream about some hooded figure in his house, Missy wanders into his room as little girl and says that Jody is in her room. George runs to Missy's room and sees red eyes staring from outside of Missy's window. Ugh, into the house. Missy points at them and says there's Jody right there. He wants to come inside.
Starting point is 01:16:24 Fuck that. Ugh. Kathy runs into the room, picks up a chair, throws it, the eyes shattering the window. They hear an animal squeal and pain, and then the red eyes are gone. Okay, this point, even if I am going to be financially ruined, I think I'm, I think this is it for me.
Starting point is 01:16:39 I think I'd be it probably a long ways before that, but definitely at this point. Father Mancuso still is not come back to the lets home. His local bishop doesn't want him to return. He doesn't want to return, honestly, he's scared. You know, and his bishop is worried about his health, you know, he's gotten sick. So sick the last time, he's still not better.
Starting point is 01:16:55 George doesn't want to leave his family alone in the house, but he has to leave to deal with the IRS, that whole unpaid tax situation at work. His work life is home life or crumbling, IRS audit and haunted house. Whole world's getting shit on. Red eye pagan his house. For George Leaves, Kathy are talking to her daughter Missy about the pig Jody. Missy tells her mom that Jody talked to her all the time. Told her about the little boy lived in a room.
Starting point is 01:17:15 And you know, Jody just told her that little boy got sick and died in a room. No big deal. And then Missy told her that Jody just, you know, told, told Missy that she would just, you know, have to stay in the house forever. So she could play with a little boy. That's, oh my God. If my, if my, if my, where my kids told me that when they were little, oh Jesus, I would be so scared. I would not sleep that night. When, when George comes home, he finds a family dog, Harry, freaking out, throwing himself against the end of his lease, trying to, trying to rip his chain apart and apart and reach the boat house. Something's freaking him out there. George practically has to drag the dog back into the house and away from the boat house.
Starting point is 01:17:49 January 13th, day 27 in the middle of the night. George wakes up suddenly in a trance, waking up Kathy by speaking in different voices and languages. Kathy had never heard before. Suddenly George speaks in English yelling over and over. It's in Chris's room. It's in Chris's room. George, before waking up, remembers dreaming about a dark presence in Chris's room. A hooded figure
Starting point is 01:18:08 picking up the boy, taking him away. George calls father, man, Kusso again, tells him that he was going to take the priest's advice and he's going to leave. But when George tries to leave the house, his car won't start. When he tries to call for help, the phone doesn't work. The line is dead. A huge storm has moved in. The temperature has dropped, pouring down rain, freezing rain, fucking ghosts and storms. Man, why does always have to be, you know, a haunting situation in a downpour? Why can't it be when the sun's shining bright? You know, the family decided they're going to have to wait out the storm, you know, and then they'll leave the house. Eventually, George realizes they're just going to have to spend one last night in the house. Of course, they are. And of course,
Starting point is 01:18:44 more crazy shit happens. Missy George and Kathy all sleep in their bed and then the dog Harry is laying by the bedroom door and then the boys, Danny and Chris sleep in their room, which is fucking insane if that's true. Let me get this straight. You're fleeing from a haunted house. You know, you're gonna be leaving the next morning and then you have the kids. Yeah, yeah, just go sleep in a separate room.
Starting point is 01:19:02 Yeah, I know we've been seeing red-eyed pig demons around the house, but you know what? You'll be good. Just go sleep in a room by yourself. I would be too scared to sleep in a separate room. So George lays in bed and watches Kathy get out of bed and a trance start to leave the room. He can't wake her when he tries screaming at her instead of waking up her body just goes limp and then she lays, you know, he lays her back in the bed. Then he hears noises from the boy's room. Of course he does. You dumb shit. Why'd you let him go there in the first place? Their room is above him. Above his room. It sound
Starting point is 01:19:30 like their beds are being slammed into the floor all around, moving around the room. He tries to get up and you know, check out him, but suddenly he's paralyzed. Dresser drawers are slamming open and shut. Doors around the house start slamming opening, you know, opening and shut. Windows opening and shutting. Suddenly, here here's voices so many voices in the living room. It's a fucking marching band's back. He can't move. And then suddenly he feels something on the bed with him, something stepping on him on the bed feels like hoops, pig hoops, red-eyed demon pig hoops and he passes out. Day 28 January 14th suddenly around 7 a.m. George wakes up to Chris and Danny screaming at him. They're yelling about a monster with no face trying to attack them in the room.
Starting point is 01:20:13 Again, what the fuck? I tell you about the room. Never, never separate the family in a haunted room situation. Okay, suddenly George sees Harry the dog jump up and starts snarling the barking. It's something in the hallway. He finally breaks his paralysis, throws himself out of his bed. When he makes it the hallway, he sees a large hooded figure, the one from his nightmares, standing down the hall, looking at him, pointed at him.
Starting point is 01:20:34 He tells the family to run to get the fuck out of the house. He doesn't have to tell them twice. They are gone. They are out of there. Nice hanging with you, Jody. Deepen Pig. We're going to find a new place to stay. They eventually make it outside the
Starting point is 01:20:45 Climbing of the family van in this time unlike the day before it starts Thank Nimrod They speed down the road would never return to that home again, and I'm guessing for the rest of his life George would eat a Shitload of bacon like really just just can I get a bacon inside a bacon? Just fuck you Jody cause me to lose my house you swine. And that is it for this haunted time-sector timeline. Good job, soldier. You made it back. Barely.
Starting point is 01:21:12 All right, so that's it. So that's the highlights. Believe that story or don't. I don't believe all of it. I don't believe the ghost taking $1500, for example. But part of me thinks something happened to that family in the house. I don't believe all of it. I don't believe the ghost taking a $1500, for example. But part of me thinks something happened. That family in the house. I don't know. Maybe I don't know why I do. Maybe the dark energy of those strange defaill murders just lingered there somehow.
Starting point is 01:21:31 Still can't get past six people being shot in their beds and none of them trying to escape. And the neighbors not hearing anything. That's the kicker for me on this whole story. Who knows? Maybe YouTuber, high tech harassment was right. It's all secret energy harassment. It's all energy beams. It's all kill beams. All I know is
Starting point is 01:21:49 that we're going to take five more looks at Amityville with some top five takeaways. Time, suck, top five takeaway. Number one, at roughly 3 a.m. in the early morning of November 13th, 1974, 23 year old Ronald Joseph butch to Fayow, Jr. took a 35 caliber Marlon rifle, executed his entire immediate family who were sleeping in one, one, two ocean avenue in Amityville, Long Island. How did no one run? Number two, the Amityville House was not the site of other murders and was not built on an Indian burial ground, but it did just get sold for around $150,000. And we'll probably be on the market again soon if you want a nice
Starting point is 01:22:28 pad with a boat house where you can add a little extra spice to watch and scary movies. Can you imagine that? Can you imagine a horror movie in the middle of the night by yourself in that house? What do you do? What do you do? What do you do that? I don't know, man. I don't know if I would maybe maybe maybe a part of me believes it and maybe part of you believe it Number three the book the amanyville horror was published 1977 by J. Anson would go on to sell roughly 10 million copies Sponsorful successful movies turned out there's big money and read I demon picks Number four the Lutz family did live in that house No one will know if what they claim the experience really happened
Starting point is 01:23:01 But both George and Kathy did pass lie detector tests when question about this insane story. And number five, new info, Google, demonic boy photograph and the iconic image that pops up was taken in the Amityville House a few weeks after the lots has moved out. Even if you don't believe in ghost or demons, odds are, you know, you'll have seen this photo before. It was taken during investigation by paranormal investigators Ed and Lorraine Warren seem to show a small boy with glowing eyes. I know what kind of reference is before, but this is more detail. Glowing eyes in the doorway to the left of the frame, even though there were no children in the house at that time. So super spooky, if that's real. Special thanks to Time, Sucker, Charles, Belcher, anyone else. I forgot to mention for suggesting this bonus topic.
Starting point is 01:23:46 And thanks to everyone who voted for it on Instagram. Excited to suck on the Burp Mewda Triangle. That's right, it's the Burp Mewda Triangle this Monday. A lot of requests for that one, especially recently, but actually the length of the show that was one of the first requests of topics and they keep pouring in, so you know what, all right, I'll do it. One of the first mysteries I can ever actually remember being interested in as a kid, you know, disappearing planes, disappearing ships, speculation about UFOs behind some of the
Starting point is 01:24:11 disappearances, you know, or is it just crazy weather? What's going on? What's going on out there over that cold, deep water? Why is Bermuda, you know, a name we recognize, find out how much you don't know about the Bermuda Triangle and what has happened there over the years on Monday. Big thanks again to Time Sucker Superstar Sidney Shies for keeping track of all the email topics. Thanks to all of you who follow the show on social media at Time Suck Podcast, Twitter,
Starting point is 01:24:36 Instagram, Facebook, and YouTube coming up in just a couple days. And again, thanks for all the interest. Oh, but don't get too excited. It's just going to be the audio with a flat background. Not doing a video anytime soon. I can barely, barely keep all this going. I don't know if it would work for this show anyway. Maybe like some slideshow or something,
Starting point is 01:24:56 down the road, down the road. But at least be on YouTube where I know some people just like to listen to audio off YouTube. I'm actually one of those people. And again, thanks for all the interest and becoming a space lizard when the TimeSook app comes out. Check out some picks on Instagram of the Avatar artwork. It's going to be featured in the app done by Danger Brain. Fucking amazing. There's a Nimrod Avatar on Instagram right now. The Bojangles Avatar. It looks
Starting point is 01:25:18 so good. And the Bit Elixir team working hard to make this app amazing. Also thanks for the recent PayPal donations. Amazon purchases made via timeSek Podcast.com, for the store purchases, the time-sek hats, teas, sign books, and CDs, all of that helps so much. And more shirts just got restocked by the way. So I know it was out of a bunch of sizes,
Starting point is 01:25:37 a lot of that I've seen taken care of right now. And welcome to the, you international time-suckers. A lot more of you guys have been lately. Been seen a lot more downloads from the UK Ireland Australia New Zealand Sweden Belgium Russia all over the place. That's awesome Thanks for joining the cult of the curious getting some you know a lot of international topic requests, which I love Doing a lot more of those all right. Let's catch up on previous episodes and recent happenings
Starting point is 01:26:00 happenings with some time sucker updates happenings with some time sucker updates. Updates, get your time sucker updates. Alright first update, Amelia Earhart update. There's recently been an uncovered photo. I talked about it in the episode just a little while ago. That seems to show Earhart and her navigator noon in Stannan Island after they had supposedly crashed. In this photo, you know, let's some people to believe that maybe she did land, but
Starting point is 01:26:26 then maybe she was taken captive by and executed by Japanese military. Well, time-sucker Dennis Basha wrote in, saying, Hey, I'm Imrat, Bo Jangles, and the high time-south priest in comments, protects us from Lucifina. I'm doing my part, I'm trying. This is regarding the Amelia Earhart podcast, apparently the photograph, which some conspiracy theorists say show Amelia and her navigator, Fred Nunean does not date to when they are claiming a Japanese historian search the Japanese National Archive and in 30 minutes found the photo. It turns out that the photo dates to 1935, not 1937, so it could not have been a picture of Earhart. Oh man, keep on sucking and I'll keep listening.
Starting point is 01:27:05 Okay, well thank you Dennis. And you know, I, I will say that when you see the picture, it does look like it could be Earhart, but again, she's not facing the camera. Newton is partially obscured by another person. So, all right, if it was two years earlier, I guess it could have been somebody else. So maybe she really did just crash from the Pacific.
Starting point is 01:27:22 And, or you know what, maybe she did that and then she was the ghost of Avenueville. We don't know, we don't know. JFK update from Joshua Russell, Hail Prophet of Nimrod, according to multiple news sources on October 26th of this year, around 10,000 of the remaining hidden documents held by the National Archives are set to be released
Starting point is 01:27:39 regarding JFK. From what I've read, the only person who can block the reveal is the president who can block it for up to 25 years. I don't think Trump's going to do that. He's struggling with popularity enough as it is. He doesn't want to be like, nope, you're not getting Kennedy. According to the curator of the archives, the plan is to upload and release all of them at the same time on the same day. So with that amount of rapid information, don't expect to see any real info to be revealed worth any substance for a while.
Starting point is 01:28:09 Okay, but I'm hoping to hear some juicy info from it. Hoping for the CIA conspiracy to be real, that would be equally fucked up and great. Apparently some of the CIA are trying to prevent the document reveal, so maybe it's true. Ah, exciting stuff, Joshua. I hope it's true, man. I gotta hope that it's crazy explosive. Those are minds. Part of me, though, things that like, let's say it was a CIA, I know I'm gonna sound a little conspiracy not here, but if it was, part of me thinks that they shredded it. They shredded it, and then they'll just release some other stuff that's just kind of like ambiguous
Starting point is 01:28:35 or whatever, but who knows, man, maybe we'll get our minds, our curious minds exploded. That would be amazing. So I hope so. And last update for today, here's some just pure silliness. This just made me smile, very hard. A lot of you guys, emails make me smile, man. And again, you know, when I can't get back last update for today, here's some just pure silliness. This just made me smile, very hard. A lot of you guys, these emails make me smile, man. And again, when I can't get back to all of them,
Starting point is 01:28:49 sorry, it's just, man, it's been busy. Trying to get all this app stuff going and keep these episodes going and, you know, and trying to send them to a business and we're doing a lot of stand up, recording some new stuff, stand up wise. And, yeah, I try to get back to some emails, have gotten back to some emails,
Starting point is 01:29:04 Sydney's putting on your guys a stuff on the list But anyway, I do see them and they mean very very much to me every time Okay, so Casey Green says I wanted to let the sucker community in the latest in on the latest challenge that I've created in my own head First of all, I don't care what anyone else says getting Michael motherfuckin McDonald's is one of my highlights of each episode. I enjoy it so much that I've created a Michael McDonald Pandora station on my account. Uh, like, each time you break out that triple M, I immediately pause the podcast. I switched to Pandora.
Starting point is 01:29:35 I turn on my triple M radio. Now comes the challenge. If the song that I was McDonalded by is the same song that comes up on Pandora, I fucking win. Unfortunately, I get to win the triple M challenge and I don't know what the prize for winning is. I assume that I have to assume that Lord Nimrod will send his profitable jangles to pick me up in a stretched white limousine. When I open the passenger door, none other than Michael McDonald's in the back wearing a black tuxedo t-shirt and sipping something fancy that was poured
Starting point is 01:30:02 from a crystal decanter. I quickly change into my white tux t, don't want to bite MMM style, and we have a legendary night of swooning and corousing on the town. Ah, a boy can dream. Hopefully you will pass this along to our fellow soccer and then they can enjoy the triple M challenge. Keep up the great work, I can't wait to be a space-lizard. Ah, thank you. I can't wait for you to be a space-ly lizard either, Casey. I love it, man. Love the Trimble M challenge, you time suckin' goofball. Thanks for sending that in, man. And I don't even know if I have me downloaded you guys in a minute.
Starting point is 01:30:32 Ah, it's tough, man. Sometimes, you know, you're trying to track everything. I guess, you know, I just, I just, I keep forgetting. When I don't love anymore. I keep forgetting things will never be the same again. I keep forgetting how you made that so clear. I keep forgetting every time you're near. Every time I see you smile.
Starting point is 01:31:04 Next time, suckers, I need a net. We all did. I hope you guys won the game. You guys just won that game. Have a good weekend, everybody. Back with more suck on Monday. Hail Nimrod. Don't let Lissufina haunt your house with her red-eyed demon, baking coast, ghost, pig
Starting point is 01:31:24 minion, and keep on sucking.

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